From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Apr 12 12:26:56 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:26:56 +0100
Subject: We're finally up again!
Message-ID: <AD252B15-8BD1-4C40-BFF6-0AEBDCB58E15@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

Our sincere apologies.  Due to an engineering error at Apple, we recently bricked our entire server assembly and had to rebuild.

The backups were affected as well, since we didn't spot the problem until after the backup had been updated using a server configuration which was on the point of meltdown.

Thus, it melted down!  We have had a very traumatic weekend in lots of ways, but hopefully, now, we're fixed.

Thanks to the error, and much to our irritation, the list archives went into oblivion as well, although I think we might just have a work-around for that, if we're lucky.

Meanwhile, the list should now be usable again, all membership intact despire the irritating repeated welcome messages.

A working backup of this new system has gone into the safe, this *** WILL NOT *** recur!

Gordon


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Mon Apr 12 17:14:31 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 02:14:31 +1000
Subject: Extracting audio from video files on the Mac
Message-ID: <76FAD3ED-D41E-4534-883E-E6056E0A5DDA@internode.on.net>

Hi!

Does anyone know of a quick and easy way to do this? I can think of plenty solutions under Windows but only one comes to mind with the Mac and that's using Audio Hijack Pro to "Hijack" the media player handling the video file, it works but its extracting the audio in real time thus the process takes forever <smile>.



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Mon Apr 12 17:14:37 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 02:14:37 +1000
Subject: The Iphone: what will they think of next?
Message-ID: <D9ACCA2F-AEA7-4831-A705-5405C5F7D983@internode.on.net>

Hi!

Here's one of those "Odd" pieces which come up from time-to-time.

Sorry I can't quote the whole article, I refuse to pay $150.00 a year tohttp://www.radioinfo.com.au just to read the occasional article so here goes.

> 09 Apr 2010
> Live iPhone broadcasting at River 94.9 pioneers new OB techniques
> In a world-first, Tieline's Report-IT Live application was recently used to turn
> an iPhone into a portable wireless IP audio codec and broadcast live high-fidelity
> IP audio. Technical Services Manager for River 949
> Keith Evans
> configured the iPhone and studio codecs for the broadcast.


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Mon Apr 12 17:14:48 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 02:14:48 +1000
Subject: Further enhancements to Text Expander version 3.0
Message-ID: <F4E51D42-FE98-4013-A806-E6CF660D004F@internode.on.net>

I just wonder what else one could put into this application? You can now specify hotkeys for different Text Expander options so you can bring the application up "on-the-fly" or have Text Expander perform a specific action.  For example, suppose you're working in Mail and you wish to create a new snippet, define a function key and fill out the fields.  Suppose you wish to create a new snippet from a selection or from something you've just copied to the clipboard, press the pre-defined hotkey for that action and fill in the fields, perfect integration and perfectly accessible.



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Mon Apr 12 17:15:34 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 02:15:34 +1000
Subject: Auto Hotspots, a credit to Apple and Voiceover
Message-ID: <5D4BD282-BBBC-423B-B2E4-15FBBEC8E909@internode.on.net>

I've always liked this feature and you know when you're on a winner when other developers of other Screen Readers try to copy the concept, bit of a problem though when they widely proclaim the achievement and it doesn't work as planned <smile> but of course that can happen to any company that doesn't have a good beta testing team working for it as was once the case once upon a long ago with that Windows-Based Screen Reader, I'm glad to see some of the pioneering work Apple has done recognised <smile>.



From lynne at mac-access.net  Mon Apr 12 18:07:04 2010
From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 18:07:04 +0100
Subject: Extracting audio from video files on the Mac
In-Reply-To: <76FAD3ED-D41E-4534-883E-E6056E0A5DDA@internode.on.net>
References: <76FAD3ED-D41E-4534-883E-E6056E0A5DDA@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <EFDA9701-0A7B-441F-94B8-036047E3525C@mac-access.net>

Hello Dane

On 12 Apr 2010, at 17:14, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Hi!

Does anyone know of a quick and easy way to do this? I can think of plenty solutions under Windows but only one comes to mind with the Mac and that's using Audio Hijack Pro to "Hijack" the media player handling the video file, it works but its extracting the audio in real time thus the process takes forever <smile>.

There are lots of programmes that do this type of thing. I cannot think of a title off the top of my head; but we've done it so I know it can be done.

Lynne

From tsiegel at softcon.us  Tue Apr 13 14:27:20 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 08:27:20 -0500
Subject: Extracting audio from video files on the Mac
In-Reply-To: <76FAD3ED-D41E-4534-883E-E6056E0A5DDA@internode.on.net>
References: <76FAD3ED-D41E-4534-883E-E6056E0A5DDA@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <C3E08A6E-A659-482E-89E4-9CAAC3D8BB21@softcon.us>

While hijack audio will do the job, as you pointed out, it's realtime,  
so a bit slow. :)
However, depending on what you're trying to get the tracks from, you  
can try dvd remaster, it will happily rip just the sound track if so  
desired, though you'll need to expand the selection in question, and  
unselect everything but the audio.
I'm still trying to figure out how to add this capability to softcon  
dvd player.  The apis used for this process are somewhat cryptic (at  
least to me) but eventually, it will be in there. :)


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue Apr 13 15:26:40 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 00:26:40 +1000
Subject: Extracting audio from video files on the Mac
In-Reply-To: <C3E08A6E-A659-482E-89E4-9CAAC3D8BB21@softcon.us>
References: <76FAD3ED-D41E-4534-883E-E6056E0A5DDA@internode.on.net>
	<C3E08A6E-A659-482E-89E4-9CAAC3D8BB21@softcon.us>
Message-ID: <41EFECBE-B5F8-4AAB-A6B2-F65201B5AB14@internode.on.net>

I've registered DVD Remaster Pro, I thought that only worked with DVD'S and not video files themselves?


On 13/04/2010, at 11:27 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

> While hijack audio will do the job, as you pointed out, it's realtime, so a bit slow. :)
> However, depending on what you're trying to get the tracks from, you can try dvd remaster, it will happily rip just the sound track if so desired, though you'll need to expand the selection in question, and unselect everything but the audio.
> I'm still trying to figure out how to add this capability to softcon dvd player.  The apis used for this process are somewhat cryptic (at least to me) but eventually, it will be in there. :)
> 
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From moriond at mac.com  Tue Apr 13 15:57:56 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 04:57:56 -1000
Subject: Extracting audio from video files on the Mac
In-Reply-To: <41EFECBE-B5F8-4AAB-A6B2-F65201B5AB14@internode.on.net>
References: <76FAD3ED-D41E-4534-883E-E6056E0A5DDA@internode.on.net>
	<C3E08A6E-A659-482E-89E4-9CAAC3D8BB21@softcon.us>
	<41EFECBE-B5F8-4AAB-A6B2-F65201B5AB14@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <BA3F11AD-55AF-43F5-BEC7-FEA88871657F@mac.com>

Hi Dane,

Travis has been using DVD Remaster Pro to put versions of the video  
files on disk, I think.  There are options to separately extract the  
audio or the video, which are separate parts of the mp4 container  
structure. If you want to convert to a specific audio format like MP3,  
you'd have to run that as a separate step. I haven't done any of this  
myself.  Or were you thinking of a different format for the video files?

Cheers,

Esther

Dane Trethowan wrote:

> I've registered DVD Remaster Pro, I thought that only worked with  
> DVD'S and not video files themselves?
>
>
> On 13/04/2010, at 11:27 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
>
>> While hijack audio will do the job, as you pointed out, it's  
>> realtime, so a bit slow. :)
>> However, depending on what you're trying to get the tracks from,  
>> you can try dvd remaster, it will happily rip just the sound track  
>> if so desired, though you'll need to expand the selection in  
>> question, and unselect everything but the audio.
>> I'm still trying to figure out how to add this capability to  
>> softcon dvd player.  The apis used for this process are somewhat  
>> cryptic (at least to me) but eventually, it will be in there. :)
>>


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue Apr 13 16:58:05 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 01:58:05 +1000
Subject: Extracting audio from video files on the Mac
In-Reply-To: <BA3F11AD-55AF-43F5-BEC7-FEA88871657F@mac.com>
References: <76FAD3ED-D41E-4534-883E-E6056E0A5DDA@internode.on.net>
	<C3E08A6E-A659-482E-89E4-9CAAC3D8BB21@softcon.us>
	<41EFECBE-B5F8-4AAB-A6B2-F65201B5AB14@internode.on.net>
	<BA3F11AD-55AF-43F5-BEC7-FEA88871657F@mac.com>
Message-ID: <85B2CB16-B3F4-411A-99F8-0079DBE43834@internode.on.net>

Okay, I'll explain myself again to avoid any confusion and to be perfectly clear <smile>.

What i  want to do has nothing whatever to do with DVD'S, I want to extract the audio from a video file such as a MPG file and - to my knowledte - DVD Remaster will not handle this operation, is my understanding correct?

So - assuming I'm correct - what software will allow me to extract the audio from a video file and save it to say wave, mp3 or similar?


On 14/04/2010, at 12:57 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Dane,
> 
> Travis has been using DVD Remaster Pro to put versions of the video files on disk, I think.  There are options to separately extract the audio or the video, which are separate parts of the mp4 container structure. If you want to convert to a specific audio format like MP3, you'd have to run that as a separate step. I haven't done any of this myself.  Or were you thinking of a different format for the video files?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> I've registered DVD Remaster Pro, I thought that only worked with DVD'S and not video files themselves?
>> 
>> 
>> On 13/04/2010, at 11:27 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
>> 
>>> While hijack audio will do the job, as you pointed out, it's realtime, so a bit slow. :)
>>> However, depending on what you're trying to get the tracks from, you can try dvd remaster, it will happily rip just the sound track if so desired, though you'll need to expand the selection in question, and unselect everything but the audio.
>>> I'm still trying to figure out how to add this capability to softcon dvd player.  The apis used for this process are somewhat cryptic (at least to me) but eventually, it will be in there. :)
>>> 
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue Apr 13 22:03:47 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:03:47 +1000
Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Forbes.com=92s_=93Booked=94_Blog_Discusses_iBoo?=
	=?windows-1252?Q?ks_Accessibility_on_Apple=92s_iPad?=
Message-ID: <4174F4CC-D600-4612-A0B0-D00D221F4DB4@internode.on.net>

Good to see that accessibility of such a device is a topic of discussion in the mainstream media <smile>, follow this link to read more.

http://www.lioncourt.com/2010/04/13/forbes-coms-booked-blog-discusses-ibooks-accessibility-on-apples-ipad/


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Apr 13 23:34:18 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:34:18 +0100
Subject: Question
Message-ID: <A2EFF4BF-4B5E-4AE5-BB74-4A72BD88BBF0@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

We have a reason for keeping a couple of our machines on UTC rather than moving them to BST. But the damned things just refuse to stay put.

I've looked under Date/time in system preferences, but cannot see a way around this. Is there such a way?

Lynne



From lynne at mac-access.net  Tue Apr 13 23:36:07 2010
From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:36:07 +0100
Subject: Numbers Spreadsheets
Message-ID: <7983D2DD-A03C-4DEC-977E-A7D9191BBAC8@mac-access.net>

Hello everybody

Has anybody had any success viewing Numbers spreadsheets using, you've guessed it, Numbers?

Somebody mentioned Tables a while ago, but I'd rather not have to go that route if at all possible. But if I have to do so due to Numbers not being accessible to Gordon, I will.

Lynne



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue Apr 13 23:40:49 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 08:40:49 +1000
Subject: Numbers Spreadsheets
In-Reply-To: <7983D2DD-A03C-4DEC-977E-A7D9191BBAC8@mac-access.net>
References: <7983D2DD-A03C-4DEC-977E-A7D9191BBAC8@mac-access.net>
Message-ID: <A1044F28-295B-4D4B-AD8B-7CFB6C124118@internode.on.net>

This was a while ago but I had very little success using spreadsheets with numbers.  Yep, I could enter data where I wanted it but no! I couldn't easily navigate to where I wanted so in other words, I couldn't easily read the data I'd entered.

Tables - with its Universal access support - is far easier to navigate.

Now that you have Bento have you considered using this instead of Tables Or numbers?


On 14/04/2010, at 8:36 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> Has anybody had any success viewing Numbers spreadsheets using, you've guessed it, Numbers?
> 
> Somebody mentioned Tables a while ago, but I'd rather not have to go that route if at all possible. But if I have to do so due to Numbers not being accessible to Gordon, I will.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Apr 13 23:47:46 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:47:46 +0100
Subject: Numbers Spreadsheets
In-Reply-To: <A1044F28-295B-4D4B-AD8B-7CFB6C124118@internode.on.net>
References: <7983D2DD-A03C-4DEC-977E-A7D9191BBAC8@mac-access.net>
	<A1044F28-295B-4D4B-AD8B-7CFB6C124118@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <F6B5289D-7059-4A36-82A4-828E52429CD7@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 13 Apr 2010, at 23:40, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? This was a while ago but I had very little success using spreadsheets with numbers.  Yep, I could enter data where I wanted it but no! I couldn't easily navigate to where I wanted so in other words, I couldn't easily read the data I'd entered.

That's what Gordon discovered this morning when we were sent a spreadsheet. We now have a use for such a thing actually.

? Tables - with its Universal access support - is far easier to navigate.

Alright; I'm probably going to have to look at that.

? Now that you have Bento have you considered using this instead of Tables Or numbers?

Actually, yes. But it's a new area for me and we don't have time for the learning curve. We're mission-critical.

Lynne


From lynne at mac-access.net  Tue Apr 13 23:55:13 2010
From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 23:55:13 +0100
Subject: Image Verification
Message-ID: <E7E81501-70AC-4437-A8C9-37A7D5927A95@mac-access.net>

Hello everybody

I'm posting on behalf of a blind friend who wants to set up her MSN account and cannot because of Microsoft's frustrating image verification.

Some time ago, somebody mentioned a service to do this by means of entering data somewhere.

Given the list has had to be rebuilt due to an error by an Apple engineer, :-), the message is no longer archived. Can somebody point me to the link so I can give it to her?

Lynne



From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Apr 14 00:46:13 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 00:46:13 +0100
Subject: Bento 3
Message-ID: <0A24CCA6-3CD8-44D6-BC41-1FA658D206E1@tft-bbs.co.uk>


Hello everybody

OK; I plead ignorance! I'm trying to figure out how to import a spreadsheet into Bento. I'm only a dumb female, remember; :-) and I'm stumped!

Lynne



From Mathew.Mirabella at team.telstra.com  Wed Apr 14 00:58:30 2010
From: Mathew.Mirabella at team.telstra.com (Mirabella, Mathew J)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 09:58:30 +1000
Subject: New imac, freezing at times.
Message-ID: <5602569641FB314FB4D9AD5659D41B9C2321A4325A@WSMSG3154V.srv.dir.telstra.com>

Hi All.

I have a new imac 21.5 inch with the ATI graphics card and the 3.3 CPU and 4gb of ram.    I was surprised to learn that the machine was very easy to set up and use with VO.  I thought that the need to hold down ctrl-opt would be tedious, but it ruturns out to be ok, especially since VO now tracks by default with the normal cursor.

Anyway... my question... Does anyone know of any issues or problems with the machines freezing at odd moments.  Any ideas if this is an ATI issue?  I guess not an accessibility question as such, but something you may have encountered.

The reason why I ask is that I have used bootcamp to install windows, installed the windows drivers from the OSX 10.6.2 DVD... and then some time later when using NVDA on windows, I had the machine halt in an odd way which eventually meant I had to hard restart the machine.  This has not happened in OSX by the way.  I assume someone on this list uses NVDA in windows and VO in OSX on the Mac?

I used to have this sort of freezing thing happen in windows on old PCs that I built some time ago, and one in particular was using an ATI card.  The PC that I have replaced this mac with had an NVidia card and has been quite reliable.  SO I wondered if anyone had any issues with the ATI cards vs the NVidia ones in the Imacs (especially running windows)?  My windows installation is a slipstreamed one, so there may be some issues with what happened in that installation... so if anyone has comments on whether there may be any known issues with windows installations... the install disk had Win XP Pro, with SP3, IE7, media player 11 and installer 4.5 along with some optimisations and tweaks.

Thanks.

Mat.

From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed Apr 14 01:03:08 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:03:08 +1000
Subject: Bento 3
In-Reply-To: <0A24CCA6-3CD8-44D6-BC41-1FA658D206E1@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <0A24CCA6-3CD8-44D6-BC41-1FA658D206E1@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <094CDB00-A28A-42E9-A7A6-2CE6692B3BD9@internode.on.net>

What format of spreadsheet are you trying to import? Bento shouldn't have any problems importing Numbers or Excel spreadsheets, I'm about to have a look myself to refresh my memory.


On 14/04/2010, at 9:46 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> 
> Hello everybody
> 
> OK; I plead ignorance! I'm trying to figure out how to import a spreadsheet into Bento. I'm only a dumb female, remember; :-) and I'm stumped!
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Apr 14 01:20:34 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 01:20:34 +0100
Subject: New imac, freezing at times.
In-Reply-To: <5602569641FB314FB4D9AD5659D41B9C2321A4325A@WSMSG3154V.srv.dir.telstra.com>
References: <5602569641FB314FB4D9AD5659D41B9C2321A4325A@WSMSG3154V.srv.dir.telstra.com>
Message-ID: <4AC1F41E-BFCF-406F-97A8-8ABB323C90DC@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello

Just a quick note. I am visually abled but I might be able to help you.

Your problem with boot camp is one we encountered as well. Believe it or not, we find virtual machines much more stable than boot camp.

I hope that helps.

Lynne


On 14 Apr 2010, at 00:58, Mirabella, Mathew J wrote:

Hi All.

I have a new imac 21.5 inch with the ATI graphics card and the 3.3 CPU and 4gb of ram.    I was surprised to learn that the machine was very easy to set up and use with VO.  I thought that the need to hold down ctrl-opt would be tedious, but it ruturns out to be ok, especially since VO now tracks by default with the normal cursor.

Anyway... my question... Does anyone know of any issues or problems with the machines freezing at odd moments.  Any ideas if this is an ATI issue?  I guess not an accessibility question as such, but something you may have encountered.

The reason why I ask is that I have used bootcamp to install windows, installed the windows drivers from the OSX 10.6.2 DVD... and then some time later when using NVDA on windows, I had the machine halt in an odd way which eventually meant I had to hard restart the machine.  This has not happened in OSX by the way.  I assume someone on this list uses NVDA in windows and VO in OSX on the Mac?

I used to have this sort of freezing thing happen in windows on old PCs that I built some time ago, and one in particular was using an ATI card.  The PC that I have replaced this mac with had an NVidia card and has been quite reliable.  SO I wondered if anyone had any issues with the ATI cards vs the NVidia ones in the Imacs (especially running windows)?  My windows installation is a slipstreamed one, so there may be some issues with what happened in that installation... so if anyone has comments on whether there may be any known issues with windows installations... the install disk had Win XP Pro, with SP3, IE7, media player 11 and installer 4.5 along with some optimisations and tweaks.

Thanks.

Mat.
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Apr 14 01:21:47 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 01:21:47 +0100
Subject: Bento 3
In-Reply-To: <094CDB00-A28A-42E9-A7A6-2CE6692B3BD9@internode.on.net>
References: <0A24CCA6-3CD8-44D6-BC41-1FA658D206E1@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<094CDB00-A28A-42E9-A7A6-2CE6692B3BD9@internode.on.net>
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Hello Dane

On 14 Apr 2010, at 01:03, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? What format of spreadsheet are you trying to import? Bento shouldn't have any problems importing Numbers or Excel spreadsheets, I'm about to have a look myself to refresh my memory.

It's a Numbers spreadsheet. I can use it fine, but Gordon cannot and that's important to us.

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed Apr 14 00:56:48 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 09:56:48 +1000
Subject: Numbers Spreadsheets
In-Reply-To: <F6B5289D-7059-4A36-82A4-828E52429CD7@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <7983D2DD-A03C-4DEC-977E-A7D9191BBAC8@mac-access.net>
	<A1044F28-295B-4D4B-AD8B-7CFB6C124118@internode.on.net>
	<F6B5289D-7059-4A36-82A4-828E52429CD7@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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I don't think they'd be much of a learning kerb with Bent, just import the spreadsheet you have and away you go! that's what I've done here.  Only thing you'll have to watch is that the field types are assigned correctly on the importation but that's easily enough fixed if it should go wrong.


On 14/04/2010, at 8:47 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 13 Apr 2010, at 23:40, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> ? This was a while ago but I had very little success using spreadsheets with numbers.  Yep, I could enter data where I wanted it but no! I couldn't easily navigate to where I wanted so in other words, I couldn't easily read the data I'd entered.
> 
> That's what Gordon discovered this morning when we were sent a spreadsheet. We now have a use for such a thing actually.
> 
> ? Tables - with its Universal access support - is far easier to navigate.
> 
> Alright; I'm probably going to have to look at that.
> 
> ? Now that you have Bento have you considered using this instead of Tables Or numbers?
> 
> Actually, yes. But it's a new area for me and we don't have time for the learning curve. We're mission-critical.
> 
> Lynne
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From david.mclean at cox.net  Wed Apr 14 01:37:27 2010
From: david.mclean at cox.net (David McLean)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:37:27 -0400
Subject: Image Verification
In-Reply-To: <E7E81501-70AC-4437-A8C9-37A7D5927A95@mac-access.net>
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Try:
http://www.solona.net/about
On Apr 13, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> I'm posting on behalf of a blind friend who wants to set up her MSN account and cannot because of Microsoft's frustrating image verification.
> 
> Some time ago, somebody mentioned a service to do this by means of entering data somewhere.
> 
> Given the list has had to be rebuilt due to an error by an Apple engineer, :-), the message is no longer archived. Can somebody point me to the link so I can give it to her?
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From tvii at optonline.net  Wed Apr 14 01:23:39 2010
From: tvii at optonline.net (John Panarese)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 20:23:39 -0400
Subject: Numbers Spreadsheets
In-Reply-To: <7983D2DD-A03C-4DEC-977E-A7D9191BBAC8@mac-access.net>
References: <7983D2DD-A03C-4DEC-977E-A7D9191BBAC8@mac-access.net>
Message-ID: <6A142DD5-8E6B-4D57-8227-BF9CED2060E4@optonline.net>

Hi Lynne,
    I use Numbers all of the time.  It is quite accessible.  The oddity, though, is that it seems when you import a spreadsheet into it, you have to use the shift-VO keys-h to have the cell spoken.  I'm not sure why this is, but if you then save it as a Numbers document and open it as that format, it seems to be better.  Note, that I have found a few excel spreadsheets that will not open properly, but I don't know what particular aspects of them causes this.


Take Care

John Panarese

On Apr 13, 2010, at 6:36 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> Has anybody had any success viewing Numbers spreadsheets using, you've guessed it, Numbers?
> 
> Somebody mentioned Tables a while ago, but I'd rather not have to go that route if at all possible. But if I have to do so due to Numbers not being accessible to Gordon, I will.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From moriond at mac.com  Wed Apr 14 00:53:58 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:53:58 -1000
Subject: Image Verification
In-Reply-To: <E7E81501-70AC-4437-A8C9-37A7D5927A95@mac-access.net>
References: <E7E81501-70AC-4437-A8C9-37A7D5927A95@mac-access.net>
Message-ID: <AC8C9CE9-7C71-4B68-9C56-0EC1164DBE74@mac.com>

Hi Lynne,


Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> I'm posting on behalf of a blind friend who wants to set up her MSN  
> account and cannot because of Microsoft's frustrating image  
> verification.
>
> Some time ago, somebody mentioned a service to do this by means of  
> entering data somewhere.
>
> Can somebody point me to the link so I can give it to her?
The service for dealing with the CAPTCHA is Solona, and you can either  
use their regular service or try their new  automated tool for Mac  
users (which I haven't tried):
http://www.solona.net/2010/01/automated-tool-for-apple-users-on-solona-is-now-available

If that doesn't work, just go to the main Solona page:
http://www.solona.net/

Alternatively, if this is a Windows user, they can try a Mozilla  
Firefox plug-in called Webvisum:
http://www.webvisum.com/

HTH

Cheers,

Esther


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Apr 14 01:57:47 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 01:57:47 +0100
Subject: Numbers Spreadsheets
In-Reply-To: <9FAD0F9B-D453-4BBD-8152-DB15E3334DBB@internode.on.net>
References: <7983D2DD-A03C-4DEC-977E-A7D9191BBAC8@mac-access.net>
	<A1044F28-295B-4D4B-AD8B-7CFB6C124118@internode.on.net>
	<F6B5289D-7059-4A36-82A4-828E52429CD7@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<9FAD0F9B-D453-4BBD-8152-DB15E3334DBB@internode.on.net>
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Hello Dane

On 14 Apr 2010, at 00:56, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? I don't think they'd be much of a learning kerb with Bent, just import the spreadsheet you have and away you go! that's what I've done here.  Only thing you'll have to watch is that the field types are assigned correctly on the importation but that's easily enough fixed if it should go wrong.

I say again; I'm only a dumb female! :-) But seriously, how do you find getting around your data with VoiceOver?

Obviously with eyes it should be easy. But is it as easy as that with VoiceOver?

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Apr 14 01:58:47 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 01:58:47 +0100
Subject: Image Verification
In-Reply-To: <DC5EA6FD-AA5D-4BC1-8DCD-461F45B5A06B@cox.net>
References: <E7E81501-70AC-4437-A8C9-37A7D5927A95@mac-access.net>
	<DC5EA6FD-AA5D-4BC1-8DCD-461F45B5A06B@cox.net>
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Hello David

On 14 Apr 2010, at 01:37, David McLean wrote:

Try:
http://www.solona.net/about

Thank you, I'll pass that along to her.

Lynne


From Mathew.Mirabella at team.telstra.com  Wed Apr 14 02:00:10 2010
From: Mathew.Mirabella at team.telstra.com (Mirabella, Mathew J)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:00:10 +1000
Subject: New imac, freezing at times.
In-Reply-To: <4AC1F41E-BFCF-406F-97A8-8ABB323C90DC@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <5602569641FB314FB4D9AD5659D41B9C2321A4325A@WSMSG3154V.srv.dir.telstra.com>
	<4AC1F41E-BFCF-406F-97A8-8ABB323C90DC@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5602569641FB314FB4D9AD5659D41B9C2321A4325B@WSMSG3154V.srv.dir.telstra.com>

Hi Lyn.
I am somewhat sighted too.  I was going to use vm or parelels but wanted windows to be faster.
So while bootcamp might be a bit unstable, I think a windows installation itself ought not to be if its running naitive.




 

-----Original Message-----
From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 10:21 AM
To: Mac OSX, iPhone OS Accessibility
Subject: Re: New imac, freezing at times.

Hello

Just a quick note. I am visually abled but I might be able to help you.

Your problem with boot camp is one we encountered as well. Believe it or not, we find virtual machines much more stable than boot camp.

I hope that helps.

Lynne


On 14 Apr 2010, at 00:58, Mirabella, Mathew J wrote:

Hi All.

I have a new imac 21.5 inch with the ATI graphics card and the 3.3 CPU and 4gb of ram.    I was surprised to learn that the machine was very easy to set up and use with VO.  I thought that the need to hold down ctrl-opt would be tedious, but it ruturns out to be ok, especially since VO now tracks by default with the normal cursor.

Anyway... my question... Does anyone know of any issues or problems with the machines freezing at odd moments.  Any ideas if this is an ATI issue?  I guess not an accessibility question as such, but something you may have encountered.

The reason why I ask is that I have used bootcamp to install windows, installed the windows drivers from the OSX 10.6.2 DVD... and then some time later when using NVDA on windows, I had the machine halt in an odd way which eventually meant I had to hard restart the machine.  This has not happened in OSX by the way.  I assume someone on this list uses NVDA in windows and VO in OSX on the Mac?

I used to have this sort of freezing thing happen in windows on old PCs that I built some time ago, and one in particular was using an ATI card.  The PC that I have replaced this mac with had an NVidia card and has been quite reliable.  SO I wondered if anyone had any issues with the ATI cards vs the NVidia ones in the Imacs (especially running windows)?  My windows installation is a slipstreamed one, so there may be some issues with what happened in that installation... so if anyone has comments on whether there may be any known issues with windows installations... the install disk had Win XP Pro, with SP3, IE7, media player 11 and installer 4.5 along with some optimisations and tweaks.

Thanks.

Mat.
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Apr 14 02:02:44 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 02:02:44 +0100
Subject: Numbers Spreadsheets
In-Reply-To: <6A142DD5-8E6B-4D57-8227-BF9CED2060E4@optonline.net>
References: <7983D2DD-A03C-4DEC-977E-A7D9191BBAC8@mac-access.net>
	<6A142DD5-8E6B-4D57-8227-BF9CED2060E4@optonline.net>
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Hello John

On 14 Apr 2010, at 01:23, John Panarese wrote:

?   I use Numbers all of the time.  It is quite accessible.  The oddity, though, is that it seems when you import a spreadsheet into it, you have to use the shift-VO keys-h to have the cell spoken.  I'm not sure why this is, but if you then save it as a Numbers document and open it as that format, it seems to be better.  Note, that I have found a few excel spreadsheets that will not open properly, but I don't know what particular aspects of them causes this.

That's interesting. When we tried it yesterday morning, as it is now, we couldn't get VoiceOver to read the cell name and contents. It would read out the cell number and that was all.

This is a native Numbers spreadsheet we're working with and, if we can get it to work, be it with Bento or Numbers, we have now a lot of applications for this type of data.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Apr 14 02:05:36 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 02:05:36 +0100
Subject: Image Verification
In-Reply-To: <AC8C9CE9-7C71-4B68-9C56-0EC1164DBE74@mac.com>
References: <E7E81501-70AC-4437-A8C9-37A7D5927A95@mac-access.net>
	<AC8C9CE9-7C71-4B68-9C56-0EC1164DBE74@mac.com>
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Hello Esther

On 14 Apr 2010, at 00:53, Esther wrote:

? The service for dealing with the CAPTCHA is Solona, and you can either use their regular service or try their new  automated tool for Mac users (which I haven't tried):
http://www.solona.net/2010/01/automated-tool-for-apple-users-on-solona-is-now-available

If that doesn't work, just go to the main Solona page:
http://www.solona.net/

Gillian will be thrilled, thank you. She's a Mac user so I'll see if we can get the automated tool to work for her first.

Many thanks. Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed Apr 14 01:21:49 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:21:49 +1000
Subject: Bento 3
In-Reply-To: <0A24CCA6-3CD8-44D6-BC41-1FA658D206E1@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <0A24CCA6-3CD8-44D6-BC41-1FA658D206E1@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <73DE57FA-F70E-40D8-A40F-81C9FBDEE6E1@internode.on.net>

Its very straight forward, select "Import" from the file menu and select "File" from there.

In the next dialogue box select "Choose file" and navigate to the file you wish to import, press "Choose".

Here's the part where you set up the import, whether you want the file imported into a new library or an existing one, the name of the library, whether you want additional fields, the field types and so on, after you've set everything press Import.


On 14/04/2010, at 9:46 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> 
> Hello everybody
> 
> OK; I plead ignorance! I'm trying to figure out how to import a spreadsheet into Bento. I'm only a dumb female, remember; :-) and I'm stumped!
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed Apr 14 01:24:01 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:24:01 +1000
Subject: Bento 3
In-Reply-To: <D0CF608C-91CC-4614-9AFD-12DB9B8D9E13@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <0A24CCA6-3CD8-44D6-BC41-1FA658D206E1@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<094CDB00-A28A-42E9-A7A6-2CE6692B3BD9@internode.on.net>
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You shouldn't have any trouble importing it then, follow the instructions I outlined in another message.  If that doesn't work then export the Numbers spreadsheet - using Numbers - to an Excel formatted spreadsheet and try the Bento import again, I've just imported an Excel spreadsheet into Bento 3.0 there's a major update available for Bento 3 it seems.


On 14/04/2010, at 10:21 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 14 Apr 2010, at 01:03, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> ? What format of spreadsheet are you trying to import? Bento shouldn't have any problems importing Numbers or Excel spreadsheets, I'm about to have a look myself to refresh my memory.
> 
> It's a Numbers spreadsheet. I can use it fine, but Gordon cannot and that's important to us.
> 
> Lynne
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed Apr 14 02:12:36 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:12:36 +1000
Subject: Numbers Spreadsheets
In-Reply-To: <2B8153C3-BEFE-45E5-BBDE-FC652EF5D0FD@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <7983D2DD-A03C-4DEC-977E-A7D9191BBAC8@mac-access.net>
	<A1044F28-295B-4D4B-AD8B-7CFB6C124118@internode.on.net>
	<F6B5289D-7059-4A36-82A4-828E52429CD7@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<9FAD0F9B-D453-4BBD-8152-DB15E3334DBB@internode.on.net>
	<2B8153C3-BEFE-45E5-BBDE-FC652EF5D0FD@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6143AD24-1BD6-410D-8075-7F6A5BE03021@internode.on.net>

I just interact with the table - in both Bento and in Tables. -


On 14/04/2010, at 10:57 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 14 Apr 2010, at 00:56, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> ? I don't think they'd be much of a learning kerb with Bent, just import the spreadsheet you have and away you go! that's what I've done here.  Only thing you'll have to watch is that the field types are assigned correctly on the importation but that's easily enough fixed if it should go wrong.
> 
> I say again; I'm only a dumb female! :-) But seriously, how do you find getting around your data with VoiceOver?
> 
> Obviously with eyes it should be easy. But is it as easy as that with VoiceOver?
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Apr 14 02:20:50 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 02:20:50 +0100
Subject: New imac, freezing at times.
In-Reply-To: <5602569641FB314FB4D9AD5659D41B9C2321A4325B@WSMSG3154V.srv.dir.telstra.com>
References: <5602569641FB314FB4D9AD5659D41B9C2321A4325A@WSMSG3154V.srv.dir.telstra.com>
	<4AC1F41E-BFCF-406F-97A8-8ABB323C90DC@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<5602569641FB314FB4D9AD5659D41B9C2321A4325B@WSMSG3154V.srv.dir.telstra.com>
Message-ID: <201B09E0-A84F-4B4C-8870-4E8075932EFB@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Mirabella

On 14 Apr 2010, at 02:00, Mirabella, Mathew J wrote:

? I am somewhat sighted too.  I was going to use vm or parelels but wanted windows to be faster.
So while bootcamp might be a bit unstable, I think a windows installation itself ought not to be if its running naitive.

You might be surprised just how fast Parallels and, slightly lesser so, Fusion actually are.

Boot Camp didn't bring us much advantage and it wasted a partition on the drive which we can use for other things.

I take the point though and yes, we had the problems when Windows was actually running, rather than during installation.

We don't actually use Windows now to be honest. But I frequently had to keep putting my friend Gillian's machine right for her when she had Boot Camp installed on her 27-inch iMac. So eventually we decided to move her to Fusion and she's happy with that.

But that said I do know people who are using Boot Camp installations without any problems; excepting for the usual trash everybody gets with Windows.

My other half says that Windows is a waste of a Mac and an insult to Apple. :-)

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Apr 14 02:23:58 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 02:23:58 +0100
Subject: Bento 3
In-Reply-To: <73DE57FA-F70E-40D8-A40F-81C9FBDEE6E1@internode.on.net>
References: <0A24CCA6-3CD8-44D6-BC41-1FA658D206E1@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<73DE57FA-F70E-40D8-A40F-81C9FBDEE6E1@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <94C9E42E-47BB-4AF4-B16B-946885B5C4CC@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 14 Apr 2010, at 01:21, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Its very straight forward, select "Import" from the file menu and select "File" from there.

That's exactly what I did.

? In the next dialogue box select "Choose file" and navigate to the file you wish to import, press "Choose".

i did that too.

? Here's the part where you set up the import, whether you want the file imported into a new library or an existing one, the name of the library, whether you want additional fields, the field types and so on, after you've set everything press Import.

Does it pick up the fields from your spreadsheet?

I'm waiting for Gordon to say "I'm tired, it's bedtime" but so far he's showing no signs of doing so. So I'll give it another try and if he hasn't given in before I'm done I'll drag him upstairs kicking and screaming if need be. LOL!

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed Apr 14 02:29:08 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 11:29:08 +1000
Subject: Bento 3
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By default Bento assumes the first row of columns in the spreadsheet to be fields or the first row of delimited values in a text file to be fields, you'll see all that and what the imported data will look like in the summary section of the screen before you actually import the data.


On 14/04/2010, at 11:23 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 14 Apr 2010, at 01:21, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> ? Its very straight forward, select "Import" from the file menu and select "File" from there.
> 
> That's exactly what I did.
> 
> ? In the next dialogue box select "Choose file" and navigate to the file you wish to import, press "Choose".
> 
> i did that too.
> 
> ? Here's the part where you set up the import, whether you want the file imported into a new library or an existing one, the name of the library, whether you want additional fields, the field types and so on, after you've set everything press Import.
> 
> Does it pick up the fields from your spreadsheet?
> 
> I'm waiting for Gordon to say "I'm tired, it's bedtime" but so far he's showing no signs of doing so. So I'll give it another try and if he hasn't given in before I'm done I'll drag him upstairs kicking and screaming if need be. LOL!
> 
> Lynne
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From tvii at optonline.net  Wed Apr 14 02:07:37 2010
From: tvii at optonline.net (John Panarese)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 21:07:37 -0400
Subject: Numbers Spreadsheets
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    That's really odd. I use Numbers all of the time for a couple of types of spreadsheets.  If they are created in Numbers, the cells are identified as I navigate through them.  I can here the cell coordinance spoken with a shift-VO keys-h press.  The only time this does not seem to work properly is, as I said, if I import a spreadsheet in from Excel.  In fact, I have been really impressed by just how accessible Numbers is.  I assume you are using the latest version?


Take Care

John Panarese

On Apr 13, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello John
> 
> On 14 Apr 2010, at 01:23, John Panarese wrote:
> 
> ?   I use Numbers all of the time.  It is quite accessible.  The oddity, though, is that it seems when you import a spreadsheet into it, you have to use the shift-VO keys-h to have the cell spoken.  I'm not sure why this is, but if you then save it as a Numbers document and open it as that format, it seems to be better.  Note, that I have found a few excel spreadsheets that will not open properly, but I don't know what particular aspects of them causes this.
> 
> That's interesting. When we tried it yesterday morning, as it is now, we couldn't get VoiceOver to read the cell name and contents. It would read out the cell number and that was all.
> 
> This is a native Numbers spreadsheet we're working with and, if we can get it to work, be it with Bento or Numbers, we have now a lot of applications for this type of data.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Apr 14 02:39:49 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 02:39:49 +0100
Subject: Bento 3
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Hello Dane

On 14 Apr 2010, at 02:29, Dane Trethowan wrote:

By default Bento assumes the first row of columns in the spreadsheet to be fields or the first row of delimited values in a text file to be fields, you'll see all that and what the imported data will look like in the summary section of the screen before you actually import the data.

OK, I have the spreadsheet imported now. But I'm playing with Voiceover and I cannot get it to read the various field data entries even though I can see them plain as day.

Lynne

On 14/04/2010, at 11:23 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 14 Apr 2010, at 01:21, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> ? Its very straight forward, select "Import" from the file menu and select "File" from there.
> 
> That's exactly what I did.
> 
> ? In the next dialogue box select "Choose file" and navigate to the file you wish to import, press "Choose".
> 
> i did that too.
> 
> ? Here's the part where you set up the import, whether you want the file imported into a new library or an existing one, the name of the library, whether you want additional fields, the field types and so on, after you've set everything press Import.
> 
> Does it pick up the fields from your spreadsheet?
> 
> I'm waiting for Gordon to say "I'm tired, it's bedtime" but so far he's showing no signs of doing so. So I'll give it another try and if he hasn't given in before I'm done I'll drag him upstairs kicking and screaming if need be. LOL!
> 
> Lynne
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed Apr 14 04:03:10 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:03:10 +1000
Subject: Bento 3
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Hmm, I can navigate mine, I think all the columns are near the bottom of the screen, near the previous and next record buttons.


On 14/04/2010, at 11:39 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 14 Apr 2010, at 02:29, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> By default Bento assumes the first row of columns in the spreadsheet to be fields or the first row of delimited values in a text file to be fields, you'll see all that and what the imported data will look like in the summary section of the screen before you actually import the data.
> 
> OK, I have the spreadsheet imported now. But I'm playing with Voiceover and I cannot get it to read the various field data entries even though I can see them plain as day.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> On 14/04/2010, at 11:23 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hello Dane
>> 
>> On 14 Apr 2010, at 01:21, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> ? Its very straight forward, select "Import" from the file menu and select "File" from there.
>> 
>> That's exactly what I did.
>> 
>> ? In the next dialogue box select "Choose file" and navigate to the file you wish to import, press "Choose".
>> 
>> i did that too.
>> 
>> ? Here's the part where you set up the import, whether you want the file imported into a new library or an existing one, the name of the library, whether you want additional fields, the field types and so on, after you've set everything press Import.
>> 
>> Does it pick up the fields from your spreadsheet?
>> 
>> I'm waiting for Gordon to say "I'm tired, it's bedtime" but so far he's showing no signs of doing so. So I'll give it another try and if he hasn't given in before I'm done I'll drag him upstairs kicking and screaming if need be. LOL!
>> 
>> Lynne
>> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed Apr 14 04:56:35 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 13:56:35 +1000
Subject: Bento 3
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Right, another clarification.  Voiceover will announce a "Scroll area" near the bottom of the screen, interact with this and you will be able to navigate the fields.


On 14/04/2010, at 11:39 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 14 Apr 2010, at 02:29, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> By default Bento assumes the first row of columns in the spreadsheet to be fields or the first row of delimited values in a text file to be fields, you'll see all that and what the imported data will look like in the summary section of the screen before you actually import the data.
> 
> OK, I have the spreadsheet imported now. But I'm playing with Voiceover and I cannot get it to read the various field data entries even though I can see them plain as day.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> On 14/04/2010, at 11:23 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hello Dane
>> 
>> On 14 Apr 2010, at 01:21, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> ? Its very straight forward, select "Import" from the file menu and select "File" from there.
>> 
>> That's exactly what I did.
>> 
>> ? In the next dialogue box select "Choose file" and navigate to the file you wish to import, press "Choose".
>> 
>> i did that too.
>> 
>> ? Here's the part where you set up the import, whether you want the file imported into a new library or an existing one, the name of the library, whether you want additional fields, the field types and so on, after you've set everything press Import.
>> 
>> Does it pick up the fields from your spreadsheet?
>> 
>> I'm waiting for Gordon to say "I'm tired, it's bedtime" but so far he's showing no signs of doing so. So I'll give it another try and if he hasn't given in before I'm done I'll drag him upstairs kicking and screaming if need be. LOL!
>> 
>> Lynne
>> 
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From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Wed Apr 14 08:13:45 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 09:13:45 +0200
Subject: Numbers Spreadsheets
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Hello John,

I've just been looking at a Numbers spread sheet for the first time and can read it perfectly. I interact with the Layout item and just use VO plus arrow keys to navigate. The cell coordinate is spoken each time.

Cheers,

Anne


On Apr 14, 2010, at 3:07 AM, John Panarese wrote:

>    That's really odd. I use Numbers all of the time for a couple of types of spreadsheets.  If they are created in Numbers, the cells are identified as I navigate through them.  I can here the cell coordinance spoken with a shift-VO keys-h press.  The only time this does not seem to work properly is, as I said, if I import a spreadsheet in from Excel.  In fact, I have been really impressed by just how accessible Numbers is.  I assume you are using the latest version?
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John Panarese
> 
> On Apr 13, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hello John
>> 
>> On 14 Apr 2010, at 01:23, John Panarese wrote:
>> 
>> ?   I use Numbers all of the time.  It is quite accessible.  The oddity, though, is that it seems when you import a spreadsheet into it, you have to use the shift-VO keys-h to have the cell spoken.  I'm not sure why this is, but if you then save it as a Numbers document and open it as that format, it seems to be better.  Note, that I have found a few excel spreadsheets that will not open properly, but I don't know what particular aspects of them causes this.
>> 
>> That's interesting. When we tried it yesterday morning, as it is now, we couldn't get VoiceOver to read the cell name and contents. It would read out the cell number and that was all.
>> 
>> This is a native Numbers spreadsheet we're working with and, if we can get it to work, be it with Bento or Numbers, we have now a lot of applications for this type of data.
>> 
>> Lynne
>> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed Apr 14 08:45:30 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:45:30 +1000
Subject: Numbers Spreadsheets
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Yes this is all very nice and I can do that to so suppose you want to get quickly to rown position x45, what do you do then? This is what I'm talking about when I compare the navigation of Numbers and Pages.  Of course, I could be overlooking something but - in my experience - there's a huge difference and you need that flexibility that TAbles offers in a spreadsheet in my humble opinion.


On 14/04/2010, at 5:13 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello John,
> 
> I've just been looking at a Numbers spread sheet for the first time and can read it perfectly. I interact with the Layout item and just use VO plus arrow keys to navigate. The cell coordinate is spoken each time.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On Apr 14, 2010, at 3:07 AM, John Panarese wrote:
> 
>>   That's really odd. I use Numbers all of the time for a couple of types of spreadsheets.  If they are created in Numbers, the cells are identified as I navigate through them.  I can here the cell coordinance spoken with a shift-VO keys-h press.  The only time this does not seem to work properly is, as I said, if I import a spreadsheet in from Excel.  In fact, I have been really impressed by just how accessible Numbers is.  I assume you are using the latest version?
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John Panarese
>> 
>> On Apr 13, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello John
>>> 
>>> On 14 Apr 2010, at 01:23, John Panarese wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?   I use Numbers all of the time.  It is quite accessible.  The oddity, though, is that it seems when you import a spreadsheet into it, you have to use the shift-VO keys-h to have the cell spoken.  I'm not sure why this is, but if you then save it as a Numbers document and open it as that format, it seems to be better.  Note, that I have found a few excel spreadsheets that will not open properly, but I don't know what particular aspects of them causes this.
>>> 
>>> That's interesting. When we tried it yesterday morning, as it is now, we couldn't get VoiceOver to read the cell name and contents. It would read out the cell number and that was all.
>>> 
>>> This is a native Numbers spreadsheet we're working with and, if we can get it to work, be it with Bento or Numbers, we have now a lot of applications for this type of data.
>>> 
>>> Lynne
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Apr 14 10:35:05 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:35:05 +0100
Subject: Numbers Spreadsheets
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Hello John

On 14 Apr 2010, at 02:07, John Panarese wrote:

? That's really odd. I use Numbers all of the time for a couple of types of spreadsheets.  If they are created in Numbers, the cells are identified as I navigate through them.  I can here the cell coordinance spoken with a shift-VO keys-h press.  The only time this does not seem to work properly is, as I said, if I import a spreadsheet in from Excel.  In fact, I have been really impressed by just how accessible Numbers is.  I assume you are using the latest version?

I'll try it again today; but yesterday we just couldn't move between the cells. It's a shame actually if that's the case because the application we have for this would make things really useful in that kind of database.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Apr 14 10:36:18 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:36:18 +0100
Subject: Bento 3
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Hello Dane

On 14 Apr 2010, at 04:03, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Hmm, I can navigate mine, I think all the columns are near the bottom of the screen, near the previous and next record buttons.

Yes, visually they appear in columns as they should. But VoiceOver isn't reading them for us.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Apr 14 10:39:02 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:39:02 +0100
Subject: Numbers Spreadsheets
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Hello Anne

On 14 Apr 2010, at 08:13, Anne Robertson wrote:

? I've just been looking at a Numbers spread sheet for the first time and can read it perfectly. I interact with the Layout item and just use VO plus arrow keys to navigate. The cell coordinate is spoken each time.

Then it's pretty obvious that this is user error somehow. But I'm not hearing what my eyes are showing me.

Lynne


From support at tft-bbs.com  Wed Apr 14 10:45:00 2010
From: support at tft-bbs.com (Gordon & Lynne Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:45:00 +0100
Subject: New Member Welcome!
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Hello everybody

Traditionally, we always try to extend a personal welcome to new members who join the group. In keeping with that tradition, I would like to welcome David Daylor to our number.

I hope you find this forum of value David; whatever your experience of Mac-related things. Be it Mac, iPhone or iPad, just ask if you have questions or comment if you see anything you wish to comment on.

Everybody in this group has mutual help in mind.

Lynne




From lynne at mac-access.net  Wed Apr 14 18:23:00 2010
From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 18:23:00 +0100
Subject: Numbers Numbers, now I get your Numbers!
Message-ID: <CB30CC18-40E3-4B6D-8390-7C1FF46D575E@mac-access.net>

Hello everybody

It had to be something stupid and, thanks to Anne, I now know whjy we couldn't get Numbers to work properly with VoiceOver.

I could see the spreadsheet we were testing with fine on the display. But our problem was that we were only interacting with the layout area, and not with the layout item.

Thanks to Anne, we now know where we went wrong.

That said, I still wonder whether in fact, Bento might be more versatile.

Lynne




From tvii at optonline.net  Wed Apr 14 19:19:09 2010
From: tvii at optonline.net (John Panarese)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 14:19:09 -0400
Subject: Numbers Spreadsheets
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      I thought there was a way of doing this, but I would have to play around with it.  It might have been jump to selection or something along those lines, though I could be confusing Numbers for another app.

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On Apr 14, 2010, at 3:45 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Yes this is all very nice and I can do that to so suppose you want to get quickly to rown position x45, what do you do then? This is what I'm talking about when I compare the navigation of Numbers and Pages.  Of course, I could be overlooking something but - in my experience - there's a huge difference and you need that flexibility that TAbles offers in a spreadsheet in my humble opinion.
> 
> 
> On 14/04/2010, at 5:13 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello John,
>> 
>> I've just been looking at a Numbers spread sheet for the first time and can read it perfectly. I interact with the Layout item and just use VO plus arrow keys to navigate. The cell coordinate is spoken each time.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 3:07 AM, John Panarese wrote:
>> 
>>>  That's really odd. I use Numbers all of the time for a couple of types of spreadsheets.  If they are created in Numbers, the cells are identified as I navigate through them.  I can here the cell coordinance spoken with a shift-VO keys-h press.  The only time this does not seem to work properly is, as I said, if I import a spreadsheet in from Excel.  In fact, I have been really impressed by just how accessible Numbers is.  I assume you are using the latest version?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John Panarese
>>> 
>>> On Apr 13, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello John
>>>> 
>>>> On 14 Apr 2010, at 01:23, John Panarese wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?   I use Numbers all of the time.  It is quite accessible.  The oddity, though, is that it seems when you import a spreadsheet into it, you have to use the shift-VO keys-h to have the cell spoken.  I'm not sure why this is, but if you then save it as a Numbers document and open it as that format, it seems to be better.  Note, that I have found a few excel spreadsheets that will not open properly, but I don't know what particular aspects of them causes this.
>>>> 
>>>> That's interesting. When we tried it yesterday morning, as it is now, we couldn't get VoiceOver to read the cell name and contents. It would read out the cell number and that was all.
>>>> 
>>>> This is a native Numbers spreadsheet we're working with and, if we can get it to work, be it with Bento or Numbers, we have now a lot of applications for this type of data.
>>>> 
>>>> Lynne
>>>> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed Apr 14 22:18:19 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:18:19 +1000
Subject: Numbers Spreadsheets
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking Numbers as I bought the thing <smile> so the more accessibility and productivity I get out of it then the better for me <smile>, I just find that Tables is a far more accessible product and that's probably because I've played with Tables more than Numbers.

I suppose accessibility is very subjective, I can get a lot out of Open Office for example, the Spreadsheet component of that application is extremely easy to navigate but yet other people seem to have problems.

I think Nisus Writer Pro is a far more accessible word processor than is Pages however again, I use Nisus writer more than I do Pages so its likely that I may be missing something <smile>.


On 15/04/2010, at 4:19 AM, John Panarese wrote:

>      I thought there was a way of doing this, but I would have to play around with it.  It might have been jump to selection or something along those lines, though I could be confusing Numbers for another app.
> 
> Take Care
> 
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> Technologies for the Visually Impaired, Inc.
> 9 Nolan Court
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> 
> 
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> 
> On Apr 14, 2010, at 3:45 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> Yes this is all very nice and I can do that to so suppose you want to get quickly to rown position x45, what do you do then? This is what I'm talking about when I compare the navigation of Numbers and Pages.  Of course, I could be overlooking something but - in my experience - there's a huge difference and you need that flexibility that TAbles offers in a spreadsheet in my humble opinion.
>> 
>> 
>> On 14/04/2010, at 5:13 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello John,
>>> 
>>> I've just been looking at a Numbers spread sheet for the first time and can read it perfectly. I interact with the Layout item and just use VO plus arrow keys to navigate. The cell coordinate is spoken each time.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 14, 2010, at 3:07 AM, John Panarese wrote:
>>> 
>>>> That's really odd. I use Numbers all of the time for a couple of types of spreadsheets.  If they are created in Numbers, the cells are identified as I navigate through them.  I can here the cell coordinance spoken with a shift-VO keys-h press.  The only time this does not seem to work properly is, as I said, if I import a spreadsheet in from Excel.  In fact, I have been really impressed by just how accessible Numbers is.  I assume you are using the latest version?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Take Care
>>>> 
>>>> John Panarese
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 13, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello John
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 14 Apr 2010, at 01:23, John Panarese wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?   I use Numbers all of the time.  It is quite accessible.  The oddity, though, is that it seems when you import a spreadsheet into it, you have to use the shift-VO keys-h to have the cell spoken.  I'm not sure why this is, but if you then save it as a Numbers document and open it as that format, it seems to be better.  Note, that I have found a few excel spreadsheets that will not open properly, but I don't know what particular aspects of them causes this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> That's interesting. When we tried it yesterday morning, as it is now, we couldn't get VoiceOver to read the cell name and contents. It would read out the cell number and that was all.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is a native Numbers spreadsheet we're working with and, if we can get it to work, be it with Bento or Numbers, we have now a lot of applications for this type of data.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lynne
>>>>> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu Apr 15 00:29:59 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 00:29:59 +0100
Subject: Numbers Spreadsheets
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Hello Dane

On 14 Apr 2010, at 22:18, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking Numbers as I bought the thing <smile> so the more accessibility and productivity I get out of it then the better for me <smile>, I just find that Tables is a far more accessible product and that's probably because I've played with Tables more than Numbers.

I'm going to try Tables actually, see what it's like with Voiceover. Numbers does work but there are some aspects of it which, even with vision, I don't like.

? I suppose accessibility is very subjective, I can get a lot out of Open Office for example, the Spreadsheet component of that application is extremely easy to navigate but yet other people seem to have problems.

We tried Open office and gave it up as a bad job. yes it works; but it's not nearly as nice to use as other programmes we have.

? I think Nisus Writer Pro is a far more accessible word processor than is Pages however again, I use Nisus writer more than I do Pages so its likely that I may be missing something <smile>.

I totally disagree on that one actually. Pages is extremely accessible and Gordon uses it all the time now.

he can, and has produced some pretty complex documents using Pages and the formatting was fine.

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu Apr 15 00:43:46 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:43:46 +1000
Subject: Accessible Word processors and their accessible functions
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Okay, well ask Gordon if he can produce a Pages document with Tables Of Contents, Footnites and Endnotes? They're some of the features I use with Nisus Writer Pro which I can't seem to get working with Pages.

How does Pages go with Numbered Lists? Suppose I have a whole pea of lines I want to number, all I have to do with Nisus Writer Pro is to select the lines of text I want in the list, go to the Format Menu, Select Lists and select the type of list style I want or create a custom style, I haven't found a way to do this with Pages.

Yep, I can get Pages to create lists from scratch but its changing styles that I can't seem to do.


On 15/04/2010, at 9:29 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 14 Apr 2010, at 22:18, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> ? Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking Numbers as I bought the thing <smile> so the more accessibility and productivity I get out of it then the better for me <smile>, I just find that Tables is a far more accessible product and that's probably because I've played with Tables more than Numbers.
> 
> I'm going to try Tables actually, see what it's like with Voiceover. Numbers does work but there are some aspects of it which, even with vision, I don't like.
> 
> ? I suppose accessibility is very subjective, I can get a lot out of Open Office for example, the Spreadsheet component of that application is extremely easy to navigate but yet other people seem to have problems.
> 
> We tried Open office and gave it up as a bad job. yes it works; but it's not nearly as nice to use as other programmes we have.
> 
> ? I think Nisus Writer Pro is a far more accessible word processor than is Pages however again, I use Nisus writer more than I do Pages so its likely that I may be missing something <smile>.
> 
> I totally disagree on that one actually. Pages is extremely accessible and Gordon uses it all the time now.
> 
> he can, and has produced some pretty complex documents using Pages and the formatting was fine.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu Apr 15 11:04:36 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 11:04:36 +0100
Subject: de-authoorising computers for the iTunes store
Message-ID: <4F7D622B-E657-458E-8179-55696E77719B@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

There used to be a way to de-authorise all of the computers you have authorised to use the iTunes Store in one step.  But I cannot remember where that was and I can't see it in the Store menu anymore.

We recently had to have a motherboard replaced in our MacBook Pro, and I didn't get the chance to de-authorise that machine before it went for repair.  I need to de-authorise it because I cannot authorise the new machine as we've used our full allocation.

Any suggestions?

Gordon



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu Apr 15 13:42:28 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 13:42:28 +0100
Subject: Accessible Word processors and their accessible functions
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Hi Dane

I've been meaning to play with this actually because I want to get back into the administration tasks again to help my other half by lightening her load.

We're still looking for an effective way to produce PDF documents and DAISY documents.  It looks like the only way we're going to be able to do that is to use a VM and invest in Adobe Acrobat Pro again for Windows.  Something I'm not especially ieen on doing ... but I do have what I think is probably the most comprehensive DAISY publishing suite in the world, Dolphin EasePublisher and that's also for Windows.

Greg Kerney, (think I've spelled that right), didn't get back to Lynne after she contacted him regarding publishing. So we have to assume it's not possible on the Mac.

The Open Office solution is no use either, to be honest, as all it does is converts documents.  Publishing is far more involved than that, and even the other software I have for Windows which came with my Plextalk is more powerful than that.

My only problem with Windows on this machine is the lack of an extended keypad.

That said, I just had a brain wave and dug out an old USB to PS2 keyboard/mouse adapter and a Windows keyboard and it works well with our Macbook Pro in a VM.

So it looks as though we have lift-off as far as DAISY publishing goes.

But to get back to the point of accessible word processors etc.  I'll play with Pages some more Dane because I'm sure the functions you mention are accessible.  Nisus is good as far as it goes.  But in some ways, Pages has more to offer.

I don't mean that to sound in any way discouraging to anybody who might want to give Nisus a try.  There's no doubt that it's a very very high quality word processor.

I, however, have never been able to get Office formatted files, for instance, to work properly with Nisus.  Whereas Pages just behaves perfectly every time.

To me, for my own personal use, Office files don't matter one jot.  But I frequently have to produce them for the graphics design company I work for as a network administrator.

They themselves are totally Mac-based now.  But their clients insist on Windows it seems.  That is one reason why I need to start familiarising myself with spreadsheet structures and formatting using something like Numbers, or Tables.

Perhaps, while I'm feeling relatively alright, I should go and hunt down Tables and give it a try to compare it to Numbers.  And, of course, there's always Bento.

Gordon


On 15 Apr 2010, at 00:43, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Okay, well ask Gordon if he can produce a Pages document with Tables Of Contents, Footnites and Endnotes? They're some of the features I use with Nisus Writer Pro which I can't seem to get working with Pages.

How does Pages go with Numbered Lists? Suppose I have a whole pea of lines I want to number, all I have to do with Nisus Writer Pro is to select the lines of text I want in the list, go to the Format Menu, Select Lists and select the type of list style I want or create a custom style, I haven't found a way to do this with Pages.

Yep, I can get Pages to create lists from scratch but its changing styles that I can't seem to do.


On 15/04/2010, at 9:29 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 14 Apr 2010, at 22:18, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> ? Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking Numbers as I bought the thing <smile> so the more accessibility and productivity I get out of it then the better for me <smile>, I just find that Tables is a far more accessible product and that's probably because I've played with Tables more than Numbers.
> 
> I'm going to try Tables actually, see what it's like with Voiceover. Numbers does work but there are some aspects of it which, even with vision, I don't like.
> 
> ? I suppose accessibility is very subjective, I can get a lot out of Open Office for example, the Spreadsheet component of that application is extremely easy to navigate but yet other people seem to have problems.
> 
> We tried Open office and gave it up as a bad job. yes it works; but it's not nearly as nice to use as other programmes we have.
> 
> ? I think Nisus Writer Pro is a far more accessible word processor than is Pages however again, I use Nisus writer more than I do Pages so its likely that I may be missing something <smile>.
> 
> I totally disagree on that one actually. Pages is extremely accessible and Gordon uses it all the time now.
> 
> he can, and has produced some pretty complex documents using Pages and the formatting was fine.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu Apr 15 20:45:20 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:45:20 +1000
Subject: Accessible Word processors and their accessible functions
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The main point which comes out of this is that the user has a very wide choice when it comes to word processing packages, there are of course others which haven't been mentioned on this thread.

Yep I agre that in the early days of Nisus, support for Word documents was terrible but its improved out of sight now along with the software in general.

You won't get me knocking Pages, Numbers or Keynote, after all these products are in-house products and - given what Apple has done with the Mac - I personally would like to buy Apple software where I can so here's the question again, how do you manually number lines of text in Pages? With Nisus I can just select the lines of text I want using the shift and cursor keys and then select the format menu, go to lists and go to "Numbered list" so how does this work with Pages? I select the text I want numbered And I interact with the toolbar, I see a "numbered list" button there but its greyed out.


On 15/04/2010, at 10:42 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Dane
> 
> I've been meaning to play with this actually because I want to get back into the administration tasks again to help my other half by lightening her load.
> 
> We're still looking for an effective way to produce PDF documents and DAISY documents.  It looks like the only way we're going to be able to do that is to use a VM and invest in Adobe Acrobat Pro again for Windows.  Something I'm not especially ieen on doing ... but I do have what I think is probably the most comprehensive DAISY publishing suite in the world, Dolphin EasePublisher and that's also for Windows.
> 
> Greg Kerney, (think I've spelled that right), didn't get back to Lynne after she contacted him regarding publishing. So we have to assume it's not possible on the Mac.
> 
> The Open Office solution is no use either, to be honest, as all it does is converts documents.  Publishing is far more involved than that, and even the other software I have for Windows which came with my Plextalk is more powerful than that.
> 
> My only problem with Windows on this machine is the lack of an extended keypad.
> 
> That said, I just had a brain wave and dug out an old USB to PS2 keyboard/mouse adapter and a Windows keyboard and it works well with our Macbook Pro in a VM.
> 
> So it looks as though we have lift-off as far as DAISY publishing goes.
> 
> But to get back to the point of accessible word processors etc.  I'll play with Pages some more Dane because I'm sure the functions you mention are accessible.  Nisus is good as far as it goes.  But in some ways, Pages has more to offer.
> 
> I don't mean that to sound in any way discouraging to anybody who might want to give Nisus a try.  There's no doubt that it's a very very high quality word processor.
> 
> I, however, have never been able to get Office formatted files, for instance, to work properly with Nisus.  Whereas Pages just behaves perfectly every time.
> 
> To me, for my own personal use, Office files don't matter one jot.  But I frequently have to produce them for the graphics design company I work for as a network administrator.
> 
> They themselves are totally Mac-based now.  But their clients insist on Windows it seems.  That is one reason why I need to start familiarising myself with spreadsheet structures and formatting using something like Numbers, or Tables.
> 
> Perhaps, while I'm feeling relatively alright, I should go and hunt down Tables and give it a try to compare it to Numbers.  And, of course, there's always Bento.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> On 15 Apr 2010, at 00:43, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Okay, well ask Gordon if he can produce a Pages document with Tables Of Contents, Footnites and Endnotes? They're some of the features I use with Nisus Writer Pro which I can't seem to get working with Pages.
> 
> How does Pages go with Numbered Lists? Suppose I have a whole pea of lines I want to number, all I have to do with Nisus Writer Pro is to select the lines of text I want in the list, go to the Format Menu, Select Lists and select the type of list style I want or create a custom style, I haven't found a way to do this with Pages.
> 
> Yep, I can get Pages to create lists from scratch but its changing styles that I can't seem to do.
> 
> 
> On 15/04/2010, at 9:29 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hello Dane
>> 
>> On 14 Apr 2010, at 22:18, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> ? Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking Numbers as I bought the thing <smile> so the more accessibility and productivity I get out of it then the better for me <smile>, I just find that Tables is a far more accessible product and that's probably because I've played with Tables more than Numbers.
>> 
>> I'm going to try Tables actually, see what it's like with Voiceover. Numbers does work but there are some aspects of it which, even with vision, I don't like.
>> 
>> ? I suppose accessibility is very subjective, I can get a lot out of Open Office for example, the Spreadsheet component of that application is extremely easy to navigate but yet other people seem to have problems.
>> 
>> We tried Open office and gave it up as a bad job. yes it works; but it's not nearly as nice to use as other programmes we have.
>> 
>> ? I think Nisus Writer Pro is a far more accessible word processor than is Pages however again, I use Nisus writer more than I do Pages so its likely that I may be missing something <smile>.
>> 
>> I totally disagree on that one actually. Pages is extremely accessible and Gordon uses it all the time now.
>> 
>> he can, and has produced some pretty complex documents using Pages and the formatting was fine.
>> 
>> Lynne
>> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu Apr 15 22:38:04 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 22:38:04 +0100
Subject: Accessible Word processors and their accessible functions
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I haven't played with bulleted or numbered lists yet in Pages.  Today has been too busy.


On 15 Apr 2010, at 20:45, Dane Trethowan wrote:

The main point which comes out of this is that the user has a very wide choice when it comes to word processing packages, there are of course others which haven't been mentioned on this thread.

Yep I agre that in the early days of Nisus, support for Word documents was terrible but its improved out of sight now along with the software in general.

You won't get me knocking Pages, Numbers or Keynote, after all these products are in-house products and - given what Apple has done with the Mac - I personally would like to buy Apple software where I can so here's the question again, how do you manually number lines of text in Pages? With Nisus I can just select the lines of text I want using the shift and cursor keys and then select the format menu, go to lists and go to "Numbered list" so how does this work with Pages? I select the text I want numbered And I interact with the toolbar, I see a "numbered list" button there but its greyed out.


On 15/04/2010, at 10:42 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Dane
> 
> I've been meaning to play with this actually because I want to get back into the administration tasks again to help my other half by lightening her load.
> 
> We're still looking for an effective way to produce PDF documents and DAISY documents.  It looks like the only way we're going to be able to do that is to use a VM and invest in Adobe Acrobat Pro again for Windows.  Something I'm not especially ieen on doing ... but I do have what I think is probably the most comprehensive DAISY publishing suite in the world, Dolphin EasePublisher and that's also for Windows.
> 
> Greg Kerney, (think I've spelled that right), didn't get back to Lynne after she contacted him regarding publishing. So we have to assume it's not possible on the Mac.
> 
> The Open Office solution is no use either, to be honest, as all it does is converts documents.  Publishing is far more involved than that, and even the other software I have for Windows which came with my Plextalk is more powerful than that.
> 
> My only problem with Windows on this machine is the lack of an extended keypad.
> 
> That said, I just had a brain wave and dug out an old USB to PS2 keyboard/mouse adapter and a Windows keyboard and it works well with our Macbook Pro in a VM.
> 
> So it looks as though we have lift-off as far as DAISY publishing goes.
> 
> But to get back to the point of accessible word processors etc.  I'll play with Pages some more Dane because I'm sure the functions you mention are accessible.  Nisus is good as far as it goes.  But in some ways, Pages has more to offer.
> 
> I don't mean that to sound in any way discouraging to anybody who might want to give Nisus a try.  There's no doubt that it's a very very high quality word processor.
> 
> I, however, have never been able to get Office formatted files, for instance, to work properly with Nisus.  Whereas Pages just behaves perfectly every time.
> 
> To me, for my own personal use, Office files don't matter one jot.  But I frequently have to produce them for the graphics design company I work for as a network administrator.
> 
> They themselves are totally Mac-based now.  But their clients insist on Windows it seems.  That is one reason why I need to start familiarising myself with spreadsheet structures and formatting using something like Numbers, or Tables.
> 
> Perhaps, while I'm feeling relatively alright, I should go and hunt down Tables and give it a try to compare it to Numbers.  And, of course, there's always Bento.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> On 15 Apr 2010, at 00:43, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Okay, well ask Gordon if he can produce a Pages document with Tables Of Contents, Footnites and Endnotes? They're some of the features I use with Nisus Writer Pro which I can't seem to get working with Pages.
> 
> How does Pages go with Numbered Lists? Suppose I have a whole pea of lines I want to number, all I have to do with Nisus Writer Pro is to select the lines of text I want in the list, go to the Format Menu, Select Lists and select the type of list style I want or create a custom style, I haven't found a way to do this with Pages.
> 
> Yep, I can get Pages to create lists from scratch but its changing styles that I can't seem to do.
> 
> 
> On 15/04/2010, at 9:29 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hello Dane
>> 
>> On 14 Apr 2010, at 22:18, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> ? Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking Numbers as I bought the thing <smile> so the more accessibility and productivity I get out of it then the better for me <smile>, I just find that Tables is a far more accessible product and that's probably because I've played with Tables more than Numbers.
>> 
>> I'm going to try Tables actually, see what it's like with Voiceover. Numbers does work but there are some aspects of it which, even with vision, I don't like.
>> 
>> ? I suppose accessibility is very subjective, I can get a lot out of Open Office for example, the Spreadsheet component of that application is extremely easy to navigate but yet other people seem to have problems.
>> 
>> We tried Open office and gave it up as a bad job. yes it works; but it's not nearly as nice to use as other programmes we have.
>> 
>> ? I think Nisus Writer Pro is a far more accessible word processor than is Pages however again, I use Nisus writer more than I do Pages so its likely that I may be missing something <smile>.
>> 
>> I totally disagree on that one actually. Pages is extremely accessible and Gordon uses it all the time now.
>> 
>> he can, and has produced some pretty complex documents using Pages and the formatting was fine.
>> 
>> Lynne
>> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Apr 16 09:15:44 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 09:15:44 +0100
Subject: Anybody out there using Verizon.net?
Message-ID: <6D421A41-B619-40A5-A5F4-1E5FF842D777@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello all

I know, this breaks the rules!  And I consider myself duly chastised.

But is there anybody out there using Verizon.net as their provider who would be willing to assist me with a couple of quick tests?  If so, would you please contact me off list, so I can explain further.

It must be a Verizon customer.

Thank you.

Gordon



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Apr 16 15:33:51 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:33:51 +0100
Subject: ISO ... Here We Go Again!
Message-ID: <07A87646-3F96-4E8D-B281-8D300A809EA8@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

I need to write an ISO file which contains a bootable Windows boot DVD on to physical hardware.

I've tried to do this using DragonBurn, also with SimplyBurn with varying results.  In Dragon Burn, the application claimed that the burn process was successful.  However, when I tried to read it, there was only 3GB of useless data on the disk.

SimplyBurns simply wouldn't burn the image, full stop.  Each time I tried, it trashed the DVD I was trying to use and gave me a write error.

The obvious test for the image is to mount it as a volume under OSX. That works perfectly and the data is visible.

So, does anybody have any suggestions as to how I can write the contents of this image to a DVD?  I thought of simply creating a burn folder, but I don't think that is an option since the disk must be bootable.

Gordon



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Apr 16 16:22:51 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:22:51 +0100
Subject: Spotlight Search Results
Message-ID: <913CAB0E-CB39-4537-8AEE-5F5553A3B835@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

is there any way, once you've located a file in Spotlight, to determine the exact location of the file?  I just did a search for a file that I need, which resides somewhere on our system but I know not where.

It shows up as documents, but that's not where the file is located.

Gordon


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri Apr 16 19:29:22 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 04:29:22 +1000
Subject: Acapela Group Updates High Quality Text-to-Speech SDK for iPad
Message-ID: <87451B2C-99A5-4192-90D5-25C69B04681F@internode.on.net>

Hi!

Some may find this article news release of interest.


http://www.lioncourt.com/2010/04/16/acapela-group-updates-high-quality-text-to-speech-sdk-for-ipad/


From moriond at mac.com  Fri Apr 16 19:05:15 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:05:15 -1000
Subject: Spotlight Search Results
In-Reply-To: <913CAB0E-CB39-4537-8AEE-5F5553A3B835@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <913CAB0E-CB39-4537-8AEE-5F5553A3B835@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FA21AA68-EBB8-4C94-9575-EF3EB02B85D3@mac.com>

Hi Gordon,

I often use Spotlight to locate files in Finder.  After you've  
launched Spotlight with Command-Space, typed in your search terms, and  
used VO-Down arrow to navigate to the result you want, route your  
mouse cursor to your VoiceOver Cursor (VO-Command-F5) and Command- 
Click on the file. This will bring up a Finder window with the file  
you've searched for highlighted.  You can then do any kind of Finder  
navigation or copying operations you want.  For example, if I wanted  
to find the parent folder for some notes I created, I might do a  
Spotlight search on a specific file, use Command-Click to display that  
file in Finder, and then Command-Up arrow to navigate up one level.   
Or, I might just start looking for other files in the same directory.

When I say "Command-Click", I'm pressing the Command key and clicking  
the trackpad of my Macbook.  You could do the click with your mouse or  
by pressing the "5" key on the numeric keypad of a full keyboard with  
Numpad Commander turned on.  Also, if you have your "Mouse cursor  
follows VoiceOver cursor" checked under the VoiceOver Utlilities (VO- 
F8) Navigation settings you don't need to route your VoiceOver cursor  
to your mouse cursor before you Command-Click.

Another thing you might want to do is tailor your Spotlight searches  
for only certain categories.  You can go to System Preferences (VO-M  
to menu bar, arrow down, type "s y", and return), and tab to the  
Spotlight menu then VO-Space to select it.  Navigate to the table of  
categories, interact, and uncheck any categories you don't want  
searched. You'll have to VO-Right arrow to the category names (e.g.,  
"PDF Documents", "Applications", etc.) and then VO-Down arrow to  
review these, then VO-Left arrow to the check box to check or uncheck  
entries.

HTH

Cheers,

Esther

Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
>
> is there any way, once you've located a file in Spotlight, to  
> determine the exact location of the file?  I just did a search for a  
> file that I need, which resides somewhere on our system but I know  
> not where.
>
> It shows up as documents, but that's not where the file is located.
>
> Gordon
>


From support at mac-access.net  Fri Apr 16 20:36:37 2010
From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:36:37 +0100
Subject: New Member Welcome
Message-ID: <A62E89B4-2B8F-4455-8395-B51264F8A60A@mac-access.net>

Hello everybody

As ius traditional when a new member joins our number, I am writing now to welcome another new member.

Zack Exley has just joined us!  Welcome Zack.

No matter what your level of Mackintosh experience, or whether you just use the iPhone/iPod, you'll find a positive wealth of informed, friendly, skilled and helpful individuals in this group who are only too willing to pass along their knowledge or share yours.

No matter how basic or how advanced, no question regarding OSX, iPhone OS or associated hardware and software is prohibited. Whether you're a novice user or have 30 years of Macintosh experience, you're just as welcome. Indeed, we have some people in the group who don't currently own Apple systems, but just want to be informed.

We, Gordon and I; as the list owners hope that you find this forum of value.

If you have any queries pertaining to the list Zack, please don't hesitate to contact up atsupport at mac-access.net or you may contact the emergency moderator of the list atanne at anarchie.org.uk. Either way, we're only too happy to help.

Lynne






From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Apr 16 20:40:26 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 20:40:26 +0100
Subject: Spotlight Search Results
In-Reply-To: <FA21AA68-EBB8-4C94-9575-EF3EB02B85D3@mac.com>
References: <913CAB0E-CB39-4537-8AEE-5F5553A3B835@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<FA21AA68-EBB8-4C94-9575-EF3EB02B85D3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <56F8D519-20C1-46D1-9632-A7FDB21B8211@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Esther

On Gordon's behalf, I thank you. He's currently unable to reply but should be alright later on.

I will pass on your info to him.

I think his only problem was actually finding the location of the files which you answered extremely well. Thank you.

Lynne

On 16 Apr 2010, at 19:05, Esther wrote:

Hi Gordon,

I often use Spotlight to locate files in Finder.  After you've launched Spotlight with Command-Space, typed in your search terms, and used VO-Down arrow to navigate to the result you want, route your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver Cursor (VO-Command-F5) and Command-Click on the file. This will bring up a Finder window with the file you've searched for highlighted.  You can then do any kind of Finder navigation or copying operations you want.  For example, if I wanted to find the parent folder for some notes I created, I might do a Spotlight search on a specific file, use Command-Click to display that file in Finder, and then Command-Up arrow to navigate up one level.  Or, I might just start looking for other files in the same directory.

When I say "Command-Click", I'm pressing the Command key and clicking the trackpad of my Macbook.  You could do the click with your mouse or by pressing the "5" key on the numeric keypad of a full keyboard with Numpad Commander turned on.  Also, if you have your "Mouse cursor follows VoiceOver cursor" checked under the VoiceOver Utlilities (VO-F8) Navigation settings you don't need to route your VoiceOver cursor to your mouse cursor before you Command-Click.

Another thing you might want to do is tailor your Spotlight searches for only certain categories.  You can go to System Preferences (VO-M to menu bar, arrow down, type "s y", and return), and tab to the Spotlight menu then VO-Space to select it.  Navigate to the table of categories, interact, and uncheck any categories you don't want searched. You'll have to VO-Right arrow to the category names (e.g., "PDF Documents", "Applications", etc.) and then VO-Down arrow to review these, then VO-Left arrow to the check box to check or uncheck entries.

HTH

Cheers,

Esther

Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> is there any way, once you've located a file in Spotlight, to determine the exact location of the file?  I just did a search for a file that I need, which resides somewhere on our system but I know not where.
> 
> It shows up as documents, but that's not where the file is located.
> 
> Gordon
> 

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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri Apr 16 21:04:14 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 06:04:14 +1000
Subject: Spotlight Search Results
In-Reply-To: <FA21AA68-EBB8-4C94-9575-EF3EB02B85D3@mac.com>
References: <913CAB0E-CB39-4537-8AEE-5F5553A3B835@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<FA21AA68-EBB8-4C94-9575-EF3EB02B85D3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0393D2AC-9836-4FCF-BE9C-E3A7FD3F26B1@internode.on.net>

Easier to use command-return to achieve the same thing don't you reckon? <smile>.


On 17/04/2010, at 4:05 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Gordon,
> 
> I often use Spotlight to locate files in Finder.  After you've launched Spotlight with Command-Space, typed in your search terms, and used VO-Down arrow to navigate to the result you want, route your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver Cursor (VO-Command-F5) and Command-Click on the file. This will bring up a Finder window with the file you've searched for highlighted.  You can then do any kind of Finder navigation or copying operations you want.  For example, if I wanted to find the parent folder for some notes I created, I might do a Spotlight search on a specific file, use Command-Click to display that file in Finder, and then Command-Up arrow to navigate up one level.  Or, I might just start looking for other files in the same directory.
> 
> When I say "Command-Click", I'm pressing the Command key and clicking the trackpad of my Macbook.  You could do the click with your mouse or by pressing the "5" key on the numeric keypad of a full keyboard with Numpad Commander turned on.  Also, if you have your "Mouse cursor follows VoiceOver cursor" checked under the VoiceOver Utlilities (VO-F8) Navigation settings you don't need to route your VoiceOver cursor to your mouse cursor before you Command-Click.
> 
> Another thing you might want to do is tailor your Spotlight searches for only certain categories.  You can go to System Preferences (VO-M to menu bar, arrow down, type "s y", and return), and tab to the Spotlight menu then VO-Space to select it.  Navigate to the table of categories, interact, and uncheck any categories you don't want searched. You'll have to VO-Right arrow to the category names (e.g., "PDF Documents", "Applications", etc.) and then VO-Down arrow to review these, then VO-Left arrow to the check box to check or uncheck entries.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> is there any way, once you've located a file in Spotlight, to determine the exact location of the file?  I just did a search for a file that I need, which resides somewhere on our system but I know not where.
>> 
>> It shows up as documents, but that's not where the file is located.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
> 
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From blindinnovator at gmail.com  Fri Apr 16 21:31:24 2010
From: blindinnovator at gmail.com (Brett Campbell)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:31:24 -0600
Subject: Spotlight Search Results
In-Reply-To: <0393D2AC-9836-4FCF-BE9C-E3A7FD3F26B1@internode.on.net>
References: <913CAB0E-CB39-4537-8AEE-5F5553A3B835@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<FA21AA68-EBB8-4C94-9575-EF3EB02B85D3@mac.com>
	<0393D2AC-9836-4FCF-BE9C-E3A7FD3F26B1@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <F680BDBE-F818-4FAA-A9DF-43210643EE4B@gmail.com>

Dane, this is most excellent.  Thank you.


Brett C.

On Apr 16, 2010, at 2:04 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Easier to use command-return to achieve the same thing don't you reckon? <smile>.
> 
> 
> On 17/04/2010, at 4:05 AM, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi Gordon,
>> 
>> I often use Spotlight to locate files in Finder.  After you've launched Spotlight with Command-Space, typed in your search terms, and used VO-Down arrow to navigate to the result you want, route your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver Cursor (VO-Command-F5) and Command-Click on the file. This will bring up a Finder window with the file you've searched for highlighted.  You can then do any kind of Finder navigation or copying operations you want.  For example, if I wanted to find the parent folder for some notes I created, I might do a Spotlight search on a specific file, use Command-Click to display that file in Finder, and then Command-Up arrow to navigate up one level.  Or, I might just start looking for other files in the same directory.
>> 
>> When I say "Command-Click", I'm pressing the Command key and clicking the trackpad of my Macbook.  You could do the click with your mouse or by pressing the "5" key on the numeric keypad of a full keyboard with Numpad Commander turned on.  Also, if you have your "Mouse cursor follows VoiceOver cursor" checked under the VoiceOver Utlilities (VO-F8) Navigation settings you don't need to route your VoiceOver cursor to your mouse cursor before you Command-Click.
>> 
>> Another thing you might want to do is tailor your Spotlight searches for only certain categories.  You can go to System Preferences (VO-M to menu bar, arrow down, type "s y", and return), and tab to the Spotlight menu then VO-Space to select it.  Navigate to the table of categories, interact, and uncheck any categories you don't want searched. You'll have to VO-Right arrow to the category names (e.g., "PDF Documents", "Applications", etc.) and then VO-Down arrow to review these, then VO-Left arrow to the check box to check or uncheck entries.
>> 
>> HTH
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> is there any way, once you've located a file in Spotlight, to determine the exact location of the file?  I just did a search for a file that I need, which resides somewhere on our system but I know not where.
>>> 
>>> It shows up as documents, but that's not where the file is located.
>>> 
>>> Gordon
>>> 
>> 
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>> 
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From moriond at mac.com  Fri Apr 16 21:29:00 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 10:29:00 -1000
Subject: Keyboard Shortcuts from Numpad Commander without a Numpad [was Re:
	Spotlight Search Results]
In-Reply-To: <0393D2AC-9836-4FCF-BE9C-E3A7FD3F26B1@internode.on.net>
References: <913CAB0E-CB39-4537-8AEE-5F5553A3B835@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<FA21AA68-EBB8-4C94-9575-EF3EB02B85D3@mac.com>
	<0393D2AC-9836-4FCF-BE9C-E3A7FD3F26B1@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <AEDE117D-BDFC-440A-B27D-BF0032E3E324@mac.com>

Hi Dane,

Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Easier to use command-return to achieve the same thing don't you  
> reckon? <smile>.
>

Yep! <smile> I've been playing around with Cursor tracking issues  
recently, and couldn't remember whether I could use that directly with  
tracking off.

OK, I'll redeem myself with a genuinely new find.  Someone on another  
list reported discovering that if you hold down any of the arrow keys  
and press one of the keys on the top row of numbers, you'll get the  
NumPad commander option for that key.  So, I've been trying out  
combinations like holding down the Left Arrow key with my thumb and  
tapping the "+" key with the middle finger of my right hand to  
interact (instead of VO-Shift-Down arrow), and tapping the "-" key to  
stop interacting, instead of VO-Shift-Down arrow. Other nice  
alternative options are holding down an arrow key and tapping the "3"  
key to route mouse cursor to VO cursor, and tapping the "1" key to  
move to last visible item.

I don't use a desktop Mac, so the Numpad Commander sequences don't  
come automatically to me.  I'm retraining my muscle memory <smile>.

Cheers,

Esther
>
> On 17/04/2010, at 4:05 AM, Esther wrote:
>
>> Hi Gordon,
>>
>> I often use Spotlight to locate files in Finder.  After you've  
>> launched Spotlight with Command-Space, typed in your search terms,  
>> and used VO-Down arrow to navigate to the result you want, route  
>> your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver Cursor (VO-Command-F5) and  
>> Command-Click on the file. This will bring up a Finder window with  
>> the file you've searched for highlighted.  You can then do any kind  
>> of Finder navigation or copying operations you want.  For example,  
>> if I wanted to find the parent folder for some notes I created, I  
>> might do a Spotlight search on a specific file, use Command-Click  
>> to display that file in Finder, and then Command-Up arrow to  
>> navigate up one level.  Or, I might just start looking for other  
>> files in the same directory.
>>
>> When I say "Command-Click", I'm pressing the Command key and  
>> clicking the trackpad of my Macbook.  You could do the click with  
>> your mouse or by pressing the "5" key on the numeric keypad of a  
>> full keyboard with Numpad Commander turned on.  Also, if you have  
>> your "Mouse cursor follows VoiceOver cursor" checked under the  
>> VoiceOver Utlilities (VO-F8) Navigation settings you don't need to  
>> route your VoiceOver cursor to your mouse cursor before you Command- 
>> Click.
>>
>> Another thing you might want to do is tailor your Spotlight  
>> searches for only certain categories.  You can go to System  
>> Preferences (VO-M to menu bar, arrow down, type "s y", and return),  
>> and tab to the Spotlight menu then VO-Space to select it.  Navigate  
>> to the table of categories, interact, and uncheck any categories  
>> you don't want searched. You'll have to VO-Right arrow to the  
>> category names (e.g., "PDF Documents", "Applications", etc.) and  
>> then VO-Down arrow to review these, then VO-Left arrow to the check  
>> box to check or uncheck entries.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Esther
>>
>> Gordon Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>> is there any way, once you've located a file in Spotlight, to  
>>> determine the exact location of the file?  I just did a search for  
>>> a file that I need, which resides somewhere on our system but I  
>>> know not where.
>>>
>>> It shows up as documents, but that's not where the file is located.
>>>
>>> Gordon
>>>
>>


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri Apr 16 22:33:00 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 07:33:00 +1000
Subject: Audio Hijack Pro something I've just discovered
Message-ID: <5FA1F15A-D8C2-4E12-8D50-8FB8A7B37473@internode.on.net>

Hi!

Well I don't know who to give credit to for this but it seems that -f you're prepared to fiddle a bit - the Effects in Audio Hijack Pro are accessible.

For example, select the "Effects" tab and navigate to the Scroll area, Interact with this.

Move the mouse to the scroll area with vo-command-f5 and click, a menu listing all the effects pops up, choose the one you want and press the return key.

Now to clear the effect? Go into the "Control" menu of Audio Hijack pro and select "Clear Effects".

Yes, some problems still need to be addressed, you can't as far as I can tell adjust the effect or have more than one effect active at the same time - well at least you can't use Voiceover to accomplish these tasks - but perhaps if we keep gnawing away - as we have ben - at the developers then we'll continue to see improvements to what is an excellent product, Audio Hijack Pro is one of those products on the Mac that I myself couldn't do without as it can be put to so many uses, everything from Recording Skype and Ichat sessions to amplefying sound taken from the line-in of the Mac.



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri Apr 16 22:35:04 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 07:35:04 +1000
Subject: Keyboard Shortcuts from Numpad Commander without a Numpad [was
	Re: Spotlight Search Results]
In-Reply-To: <AEDE117D-BDFC-440A-B27D-BF0032E3E324@mac.com>
References: <913CAB0E-CB39-4537-8AEE-5F5553A3B835@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<FA21AA68-EBB8-4C94-9575-EF3EB02B85D3@mac.com>
	<0393D2AC-9836-4FCF-BE9C-E3A7FD3F26B1@internode.on.net>
	<AEDE117D-BDFC-440A-B27D-BF0032E3E324@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CB75E07E-79F3-4D64-9FD8-8E478665E2BC@internode.on.net>

I'm probably about the only Voiceover user in the known universe to use a Desktop Imac and yet not use the Numpad commander <smile>.


On 17/04/2010, at 6:29 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Dane,
> 
> Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> Easier to use command-return to achieve the same thing don't you reckon? <smile>.
>> 
> 
> Yep! <smile> I've been playing around with Cursor tracking issues recently, and couldn't remember whether I could use that directly with tracking off.
> 
> OK, I'll redeem myself with a genuinely new find.  Someone on another list reported discovering that if you hold down any of the arrow keys and press one of the keys on the top row of numbers, you'll get the NumPad commander option for that key.  So, I've been trying out combinations like holding down the Left Arrow key with my thumb and tapping the "+" key with the middle finger of my right hand to interact (instead of VO-Shift-Down arrow), and tapping the "-" key to stop interacting, instead of VO-Shift-Down arrow. Other nice alternative options are holding down an arrow key and tapping the "3" key to route mouse cursor to VO cursor, and tapping the "1" key to move to last visible item.
> 
> I don't use a desktop Mac, so the Numpad Commander sequences don't come automatically to me.  I'm retraining my muscle memory <smile>.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
>> 
>> On 17/04/2010, at 4:05 AM, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Gordon,
>>> 
>>> I often use Spotlight to locate files in Finder.  After you've launched Spotlight with Command-Space, typed in your search terms, and used VO-Down arrow to navigate to the result you want, route your mouse cursor to your VoiceOver Cursor (VO-Command-F5) and Command-Click on the file. This will bring up a Finder window with the file you've searched for highlighted.  You can then do any kind of Finder navigation or copying operations you want.  For example, if I wanted to find the parent folder for some notes I created, I might do a Spotlight search on a specific file, use Command-Click to display that file in Finder, and then Command-Up arrow to navigate up one level.  Or, I might just start looking for other files in the same directory.
>>> 
>>> When I say "Command-Click", I'm pressing the Command key and clicking the trackpad of my Macbook.  You could do the click with your mouse or by pressing the "5" key on the numeric keypad of a full keyboard with Numpad Commander turned on.  Also, if you have your "Mouse cursor follows VoiceOver cursor" checked under the VoiceOver Utlilities (VO-F8) Navigation settings you don't need to route your VoiceOver cursor to your mouse cursor before you Command-Click.
>>> 
>>> Another thing you might want to do is tailor your Spotlight searches for only certain categories.  You can go to System Preferences (VO-M to menu bar, arrow down, type "s y", and return), and tab to the Spotlight menu then VO-Space to select it.  Navigate to the table of categories, interact, and uncheck any categories you don't want searched. You'll have to VO-Right arrow to the category names (e.g., "PDF Documents", "Applications", etc.) and then VO-Down arrow to review these, then VO-Left arrow to the check box to check or uncheck entries.
>>> 
>>> HTH
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
>>> Gordon Smith wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi all
>>>> 
>>>> is there any way, once you've located a file in Spotlight, to determine the exact location of the file?  I just did a search for a file that I need, which resides somewhere on our system but I know not where.
>>>> 
>>>> It shows up as documents, but that's not where the file is located.
>>>> 
>>>> Gordon
>>>> 
>>> 
> 
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> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Apr 16 22:35:58 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 22:35:58 +0100
Subject: Keyboard Shortcuts from Numpad Commander without a Numpad [was
	Re: Spotlight Search Results]
In-Reply-To: <AEDE117D-BDFC-440A-B27D-BF0032E3E324@mac.com>
References: <913CAB0E-CB39-4537-8AEE-5F5553A3B835@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<FA21AA68-EBB8-4C94-9575-EF3EB02B85D3@mac.com>
	<0393D2AC-9836-4FCF-BE9C-E3A7FD3F26B1@internode.on.net>
	<AEDE117D-BDFC-440A-B27D-BF0032E3E324@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CBBDB2E9-2B3A-40C2-A247-849119C09B9F@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Esther

On our mid-2009 MBP, those options don't seem to work.

On 16 Apr 2010, at 21:29, Esther wrote:

OK, I'll redeem myself with a genuinely new find.  Someone on another list reported discovering that if you hold down any of the arrow keys and press one of the keys on the top row of numbers, you'll get the NumPad commander option for that key.  So, I've been trying out combinations like holding down the Left Arrow key with my thumb and tapping the "+" key with the middle finger of my right hand to interact (instead of VO-Shift-Down arrow), and tapping the "-" key to stop interacting, instead of VO-Shift-Down arrow. Other nice alternative options are holding down an arrow key and tapping the "3" key to route mouse cursor to VO cursor, and tapping the "1" key to move to last visible item.

I don't use a desktop Mac, so the Numpad Commander sequences don't come automatically to me.  I'm retraining my muscle memory <smile>.


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri Apr 16 17:00:44 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 02:00:44 +1000
Subject: Spotlight Search Results
In-Reply-To: <913CAB0E-CB39-4537-8AEE-5F5553A3B835@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Yep, press command-return on the file you want and you'll be taken directly to the application and the target of your search will be selected.


On 17/04/2010, at 1:22 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> is there any way, once you've located a file in Spotlight, to determine the exact location of the file?  I just did a search for a file that I need, which resides somewhere on our system but I know not where.
> 
> It shows up as documents, but that's not where the file is located.
> 
> Gordon
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Apr 16 23:23:54 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 23:23:54 +0100
Subject: Talk about missing the obvious!
Message-ID: <38F8BF14-B9A7-4FDD-BF2C-A11DB9E12DDE@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

Alright, talk about missing the obvious!  I just remembered when I was in the shower just now how to burn an ISO disk image to disk using Disk Utility.

1.  Mount the image.

2.  Bring up the context menu with the image highlighted, (VO+Shift+M)

3.  Select the 'Burn' option and hit enter.

4.  Follow the instructions and you should have your disk image burned to a real CD/DVD if all goes well.

I don't know why I forgot that earlier!

Gordon


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Apr 16 23:55:09 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 23:55:09 +0100
Subject: Talk about missing the obvious; (revisited)
Message-ID: <C6D81623-B4A5-4D50-ACC5-3A65ED7AD17A@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

Well, it seems Gordon's little brainwave came to nothing after all. I just tried doing what he suggested, and guess what; I ended up with a lovely copy of the original .iso file on the DVD which isn't what we wanted at all.

So, back to square 1.

Lynne



From moriond at mac.com  Fri Apr 16 23:03:08 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:03:08 -1000
Subject: Keyboard Shortcuts from Numpad Commander without a Numpad [was	Re:
	Spotlight Search Results]
In-Reply-To: <CBBDB2E9-2B3A-40C2-A247-849119C09B9F@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <913CAB0E-CB39-4537-8AEE-5F5553A3B835@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<FA21AA68-EBB8-4C94-9575-EF3EB02B85D3@mac.com>
	<0393D2AC-9836-4FCF-BE9C-E3A7FD3F26B1@internode.on.net>
	<AEDE117D-BDFC-440A-B27D-BF0032E3E324@mac.com>
	<CBBDB2E9-2B3A-40C2-A247-849119C09B9F@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A78F317A-D402-4470-9DD6-4A20CE4724EC@mac.com>

Hi Gordon,

I wonder if you have to have once had Numpad commander enabled for  
your keyboard to recognize this? My laptop is even older than yours  
(Early 2008 MB -- the last model with Firewire before they switched to  
Unibody).  But at one time I connected a USB keypad to it to run  
Numpad commander.  I've also run Numpad Commander through a couple of  
programs on my iPod Touch, and have managed to get NumPad Commander  
functions to work using my iPod Touch as the Numeric keypad.

Even though Numpad Commander is not turned on right now, holding down  
any arrow key and pressing a key in the top row of numbers will give  
me the Numpad Commander sequence.  I'm pretty sure this worked for  
Anne, too.

I'll have to investigate this further.  Oh, and I mis-typed the  
command for stopping interacting (VO-Shift Up arrow). Another  
possibility is that because of the differences in U.K. and U.S.  
keyboards, only the actual number keys work with their Numpad  
Commander equivalent.  I'm also not sure whether I didn't customize my  
Numpad Commander settings from the default, but I'm pretty sure most  
of the keys are standard.  You can always check your own setting by  
going to VoiceOver Utility (VO-F8) and examining the table for the  
equivalents under Numpad.


Cheers,

Esther

Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Esther
>
> On our mid-2009 MBP, those options don't seem to work.
>
> On 16 Apr 2010, at 21:29, Esther wrote:
>
> OK, I'll redeem myself with a genuinely new find.  Someone on  
> another list reported discovering that if you hold down any of the  
> arrow keys and press one of the keys on the top row of numbers,  
> you'll get the NumPad commander option for that key.  So, I've been  
> trying out combinations like holding down the Left Arrow key with my  
> thumb and tapping the "+" key with the middle finger of my right  
> hand to interact (instead of VO-Shift-Down arrow), and tapping the  
> "-" key to stop interacting, instead of VO-Shift-Down arrow. Other  
> nice alternative options are holding down an arrow key and tapping  
> the "3" key to route mouse cursor to VO cursor, and tapping the "1"  
> key to move to last visible item.
>
> I don't use a desktop Mac, so the Numpad Commander sequences don't  
> come automatically to me.  I'm retraining my muscle memory <smile>.

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Apr 17 00:11:33 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 00:11:33 +0100
Subject: Keyboard Shortcuts from Numpad Commander without a Numpad
	[was	Re: Spotlight Search Results]
In-Reply-To: <A78F317A-D402-4470-9DD6-4A20CE4724EC@mac.com>
References: <913CAB0E-CB39-4537-8AEE-5F5553A3B835@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<FA21AA68-EBB8-4C94-9575-EF3EB02B85D3@mac.com>
	<0393D2AC-9836-4FCF-BE9C-E3A7FD3F26B1@internode.on.net>
	<AEDE117D-BDFC-440A-B27D-BF0032E3E324@mac.com>
	<CBBDB2E9-2B3A-40C2-A247-849119C09B9F@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<A78F317A-D402-4470-9DD6-4A20CE4724EC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6AC8C6DE-DF10-400C-9D95-D8207D250C61@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Esther

OK, I just turned on Numpad Commander and it still won't work.  I can try this on our 2007 MacBook, but it seems it doesn't work on the 2009 models of the MBP.  You could, of course, be right about the differences in keyboard layouts, but I don't think the US and UK keyboards are all that different.  Just one or two symbols located in different places.  So I'd be surprised.

Gordon


On 16 Apr 2010, at 23:03, Esther wrote:

Hi Gordon,

I wonder if you have to have once had Numpad commander enabled for your keyboard to recognize this? My laptop is even older than yours (Early 2008 MB -- the last model with Firewire before they switched to Unibody).  But at one time I connected a USB keypad to it to run Numpad commander.  I've also run Numpad Commander through a couple of programs on my iPod Touch, and have managed to get NumPad Commander functions to work using my iPod Touch as the Numeric keypad.

Even though Numpad Commander is not turned on right now, holding down any arrow key and pressing a key in the top row of numbers will give me the Numpad Commander sequence.  I'm pretty sure this worked for Anne, too.

I'll have to investigate this further.  Oh, and I mis-typed the command for stopping interacting (VO-Shift Up arrow). Another possibility is that because of the differences in U.K. and U.S. keyboards, only the actual number keys work with their Numpad Commander equivalent.  I'm also not sure whether I didn't customize my Numpad Commander settings from the default, but I'm pretty sure most of the keys are standard.  You can always check your own setting by going to VoiceOver Utility (VO-F8) and examining the table for the equivalents under Numpad.


Cheers,

Esther

Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Esther
> 
> On our mid-2009 MBP, those options don't seem to work.
> 
> On 16 Apr 2010, at 21:29, Esther wrote:
> 
> OK, I'll redeem myself with a genuinely new find.  Someone on another list reported discovering that if you hold down any of the arrow keys and press one of the keys on the top row of numbers, you'll get the NumPad commander option for that key.  So, I've been trying out combinations like holding down the Left Arrow key with my thumb and tapping the "+" key with the middle finger of my right hand to interact (instead of VO-Shift-Down arrow), and tapping the "-" key to stop interacting, instead of VO-Shift-Down arrow. Other nice alternative options are holding down an arrow key and tapping the "3" key to route mouse cursor to VO cursor, and tapping the "1" key to move to last visible item.
> 
> I don't use a desktop Mac, so the Numpad Commander sequences don't come automatically to me.  I'm retraining my muscle memory <smile>.
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Apr 17 00:18:25 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 00:18:25 +0100
Subject: Thunderbirds Are Go!
Message-ID: <3C9AF7B7-903F-4DC1-8E09-64BA0683DB1A@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all


OK, I see that Mozilla has released Thunderbird 3.1.8 (I think it is), for OSX.  F.A.B...!

Does anybody know whether it's accessible?  Hey, I'm getting right into the spirit of Thunderbirds now, think I'll have to go and watch a couple of episodes before bed, LOL.

Gordon



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sat Apr 17 00:20:09 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 09:20:09 +1000
Subject: Thunderbirds Are Go!
In-Reply-To: <3C9AF7B7-903F-4DC1-8E09-64BA0683DB1A@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <3C9AF7B7-903F-4DC1-8E09-64BA0683DB1A@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <76191CAD-288E-424A-8251-6A8561BB1814@internode.on.net>

Cant comment on the Mac version but certainly! the Windows version has accessibility built-in.


On 17/04/2010, at 9:18 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> 
> OK, I see that Mozilla has released Thunderbird 3.1.8 (I think it is), for OSX.  F.A.B...!
> 
> Does anybody know whether it's accessible?  Hey, I'm getting right into the spirit of Thunderbirds now, think I'll have to go and watch a couple of episodes before bed, LOL.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Apr 17 00:25:01 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 00:25:01 +0100
Subject: Thunderbirds Are Go!
In-Reply-To: <76191CAD-288E-424A-8251-6A8561BB1814@internode.on.net>
References: <3C9AF7B7-903F-4DC1-8E09-64BA0683DB1A@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<76191CAD-288E-424A-8251-6A8561BB1814@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <FCE0DA04-D8DC-4B45-92AD-8328CD0FB9F0@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Not interested in the Windows version.  This is a Mac list, <huge smile>.

On 17 Apr 2010, at 00:20, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Cant comment on the Mac version but certainly! the Windows version has accessibility built-in.



From moriond at mac.com  Sat Apr 17 00:28:15 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 13:28:15 -1000
Subject: Keyboard Shortcuts from Numpad Commander without a Numpad	[was	Re:
	Spotlight Search Results]
In-Reply-To: <6AC8C6DE-DF10-400C-9D95-D8207D250C61@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <913CAB0E-CB39-4537-8AEE-5F5553A3B835@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<FA21AA68-EBB8-4C94-9575-EF3EB02B85D3@mac.com>
	<0393D2AC-9836-4FCF-BE9C-E3A7FD3F26B1@internode.on.net>
	<AEDE117D-BDFC-440A-B27D-BF0032E3E324@mac.com>
	<CBBDB2E9-2B3A-40C2-A247-849119C09B9F@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<A78F317A-D402-4470-9DD6-4A20CE4724EC@mac.com>
	<6AC8C6DE-DF10-400C-9D95-D8207D250C61@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <11A0AA4B-4D7D-40F3-8064-8613918CB0B3@mac.com>

Hi Gordon,

I agree about it unlikely to be differences in the keyboard layouts --  
that might explain why keys outside the range of the simple number  
keys wouldn't work the same way, but not why those would not work.  I  
was genuinely surprised by the suggestion of holding down any arrow  
key and pressing a number key to get the Numpad Commander function,  
but it worked for me!

Here's the way my Numpad Commander is set to work without a modifer key:
1 Last visible item
2 Down
3 Mouse to VoiceOver Cursor
4 Left
5 Click Mouse
6 Right
7 First visible item
8 Up
9 Item Chooser
clear Menubar
= Mouse down
/ Mouse up
* Perform action
- Stop interacting with item
+ Interact with item
. Escape

(No modifier key for these definitions)

I now remember that I assigned Mouse to VoiceOver cursor to the "3"  
key -- it's not set up that way in the "VoiceOver Getting Started  
Guide for Leopard" (since I keep a bookmark in Preview set to the  
Numpad Commander assignments section).  But I can hold down an arrow  
key and tap the "1" on the row of numbers to move to the last visible  
item, or tap the "9" key to bring up item chooser menu, etc.  The key  
settings for interacting and stop interacting were left the same.

I meant that perhaps it was my previously using the MacBook with  
Numpad Commander turned on, and either an attached USB numeric keypad  
and/or through using a Numeric Keypad app on my iPod Touch that may  
have made the difference.  I'll have to ask Anne whether she was using  
a laptop or a desktop keyboard when she tried the Numpad Commander  
sequences with arrow key and number keys from the top row of the  
keyboard.

Puzzling, but intriguing, since it works for me.

Cheers,

Esther


Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Esther
>
> OK, I just turned on Numpad Commander and it still won't work.  I  
> can try this on our 2007 MacBook, but it seems it doesn't work on  
> the 2009 models of the MBP.  You could, of course, be right about  
> the differences in keyboard layouts, but I don't think the US and UK  
> keyboards are all that different.  Just one or two symbols located  
> in different places.  So I'd be surprised.
>
> Gordon
>
> Esther wrote:
>
> Hi Gordon,
>
> I wonder if you have to have once had Numpad commander enabled for  
> your keyboard to recognize this? My laptop is even older than yours  
> (Early 2008 MB -- the last model with Firewire before they switched  
> to Unibody).  But at one time I connected a USB keypad to it to run  
> Numpad commander.  I've also run Numpad Commander through a couple  
> of programs on my iPod Touch, and have managed to get NumPad  
> Commander functions to work using my iPod Touch as the Numeric keypad.
>
> Even though Numpad Commander is not turned on right now, holding  
> down any arrow key and pressing a key in the top row of numbers will  
> give me the Numpad Commander sequence.  I'm pretty sure this worked  
> for Anne, too.
>
> I'll have to investigate this further.  Oh, and I mis-typed the  
> command for stopping interacting (VO-Shift Up arrow). Another  
> possibility is that because of the differences in U.K. and U.S.  
> keyboards, only the actual number keys work with their Numpad  
> Commander equivalent.  I'm also not sure whether I didn't customize  
> my Numpad Commander settings from the default, but I'm pretty sure  
> most of the keys are standard.  You can always check your own  
> setting by going to VoiceOver Utility (VO-F8) and examining the  
> table for the equivalents under Numpad.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> Gordon Smith wrote:
>
>> Hi Esther
>>
>> On our mid-2009 MBP, those options don't seem to work.
>>
>> On 16 Apr 2010, at 21:29, Esther wrote:
>>
>> OK, I'll redeem myself with a genuinely new find.  Someone on  
>> another list reported discovering that if you hold down any of the  
>> arrow keys and press one of the keys on the top row of numbers,  
>> you'll get the NumPad commander option for that key.  So, I've been  
>> trying out combinations like holding down the Left Arrow key with  
>> my thumb and tapping the "+" key with the middle finger of my right  
>> hand to interact (instead of VO-Shift-Down arrow), and tapping the  
>> "-" key to stop interacting, instead of VO-Shift-Down arrow. Other  
>> nice alternative options are holding down an arrow key and tapping  
>> the "3" key to route mouse cursor to VO cursor, and tapping the "1"  
>> key to move to last visible item.
>>
>> I don't use a desktop Mac, so the Numpad Commander sequences don't  
>> come automatically to me.  I'm retraining my muscle memory <smile>.
>

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Apr 17 01:50:22 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 01:50:22 +0100
Subject: Keyboard Shortcuts from Numpad Commander without a
	Numpad	[was	Re: Spotlight Search Results]
In-Reply-To: <11A0AA4B-4D7D-40F3-8064-8613918CB0B3@mac.com>
References: <913CAB0E-CB39-4537-8AEE-5F5553A3B835@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<FA21AA68-EBB8-4C94-9575-EF3EB02B85D3@mac.com>
	<0393D2AC-9836-4FCF-BE9C-E3A7FD3F26B1@internode.on.net>
	<AEDE117D-BDFC-440A-B27D-BF0032E3E324@mac.com>
	<CBBDB2E9-2B3A-40C2-A247-849119C09B9F@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<A78F317A-D402-4470-9DD6-4A20CE4724EC@mac.com>
	<6AC8C6DE-DF10-400C-9D95-D8207D250C61@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<11A0AA4B-4D7D-40F3-8064-8613918CB0B3@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A0E9E23D-6526-4F79-BB05-D9F8B9BCBB03@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Esther

I've tested pretty extensively here now and I cannot get this to work at all.  I even turned on Numpad command and left it on and then tried.  I turned it back off again and tried again.

Nothing worked at all.  So I'm wondering whether this is something else which doesn't work on mid to late 2009 models.  Actually, technically speaking, ours is now a 2010 model since it's had a new motherboard inserted over the last couple of weeks.

Be that as it may, it doesn't worry me all that much.  I was just curious.

Another thought that occurs is that you're running Leopard, are you not?  We're running Snow Leopard (10.6.3), I wonder if that makes a difference.

We do have a USB keyboard, so I can try that.  It has the extended keys, all be it an old, clunky plastic 2005 iMac keyboard.

We also have found an old Windows keyboard actually, so Lynne has set up a couple of VM's one under Parallels and one under Fusion.  I'm going to have to try Windows 7 here shortly, not out of choice, I have to admit.

But anyway, I'm getting off the point.  I'll play with the USB keyboard.

I don't doubt for a second, Esther, that what you're saying is correct.  I know from experience how thorough your testing is.  So it's just one of those puzzles at the moment.

Gordon

On 17 Apr 2010, at 00:28, Esther wrote:

Hi Gordon,

I agree about it unlikely to be differences in the keyboard layouts -- that might explain why keys outside the range of the simple number keys wouldn't work the same way, but not why those would not work.  I was genuinely surprised by the suggestion of holding down any arrow key and pressing a number key to get the Numpad Commander function, but it worked for me!

Here's the way my Numpad Commander is set to work without a modifer key:
1 Last visible item
2 Down
3 Mouse to VoiceOver Cursor
4 Left
5 Click Mouse
6 Right
7 First visible item
8 Up
9 Item Chooser
clear Menubar
= Mouse down
/ Mouse up
* Perform action
- Stop interacting with item
+ Interact with item
. Escape

(No modifier key for these definitions)

I now remember that I assigned Mouse to VoiceOver cursor to the "3" key -- it's not set up that way in the "VoiceOver Getting Started Guide for Leopard" (since I keep a bookmark in Preview set to the Numpad Commander assignments section).  But I can hold down an arrow key and tap the "1" on the row of numbers to move to the last visible item, or tap the "9" key to bring up item chooser menu, etc.  The key settings for interacting and stop interacting were left the same.

I meant that perhaps it was my previously using the MacBook with Numpad Commander turned on, and either an attached USB numeric keypad and/or through using a Numeric Keypad app on my iPod Touch that may have made the difference.  I'll have to ask Anne whether she was using a laptop or a desktop keyboard when she tried the Numpad Commander sequences with arrow key and number keys from the top row of the keyboard.

Puzzling, but intriguing, since it works for me.


From zack at exley.org  Sat Apr 17 04:28:55 2010
From: zack at exley.org (Zack Exley)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 22:28:55 -0500
Subject: books in text format?
Message-ID: <w2s7fc47cd21004162028w93c167datb56564c05458a6fc@mail.gmail.com>

I'm severely dyslexic and therefore a huge fan of audiobooks on Audible.
When a friend sent his PDF proof of a book, I finally tried using VoiceOver
to read it. I thought that the machine voice wouldn't work. But it worked
BETTER than human voice. Why? Because I could speed it up to much faster
than is possible with a human recorded audio book. And so I've gotten
through this book in no time. Surprisingly, I could pay attention just fine.
The voice is intelligible even when you speed it up -- the human voices
break up when you speed them up.

I feel liberated and am ready to read many books I've had to miss. Except: I
can't get them in text form, can I? Or can I? Is there a source for getting
copyrighted books in pdf or text?

Zack

From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sat Apr 17 00:30:28 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 09:30:28 +1000
Subject: Thunderbirds Are Go!
In-Reply-To: <FCE0DA04-D8DC-4B45-92AD-8328CD0FB9F0@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <3C9AF7B7-903F-4DC1-8E09-64BA0683DB1A@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<76191CAD-288E-424A-8251-6A8561BB1814@internode.on.net>
	<FCE0DA04-D8DC-4B45-92AD-8328CD0FB9F0@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D714F9DF-9394-4B9D-91A7-E9FF93921CBD@internode.on.net>

Well I don't think the Mac version is going to interest you either regardless of list <smile>, just tried it and couldn't make head nor tail of it.


On 17/04/2010, at 9:25 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Not interested in the Windows version.  This is a Mac list, <huge smile>.
> 
> On 17 Apr 2010, at 00:20, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Cant comment on the Mac version but certainly! the Windows version has accessibility built-in.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Apr 17 11:23:53 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 11:23:53 +0100
Subject: Thunderbirds Are Go!
In-Reply-To: <D714F9DF-9394-4B9D-91A7-E9FF93921CBD@internode.on.net>
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That's all I was asking, yes. It's sad really because it would have given us an alternative.  Good though OSX Mail is, there are some things about it that really irritate me.

The biggest being the excessive hand-holding when it comes to errors in connectivity etc.  The so-caoled connection doctor is nothing really but a very unverbose version of th Mail log file.

That said, at least they don't use stupid internal error codes like Microsoft does with Outlook and Outlook Express.  I'm currently working with a client to try and diagnose her E-Mail issues and trying to wade through those error codes is a nightmare.

But anyway, that's for another place.  Thunderbird Mac seems to be built along the same lines as Eudora for Mac was.  That too was totally inaccessible.

On 17 Apr 2010, at 00:30, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Well I don't think the Mac version is going to interest you either regardless of list <smile>, just tried it and couldn't make head nor tail of it.



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sat Apr 17 11:33:43 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 20:33:43 +1000
Subject: Thunderbirds Are Go!
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I agree! a great shame, one of the joys of my Windows system is my Thunderbird email client, so easy to configure and so fast! don't have any problems with errors, well apart from what Windows itself provides <smile>.


On 17/04/2010, at 8:23 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> That's all I was asking, yes. It's sad really because it would have given us an alternative.  Good though OSX Mail is, there are some things about it that really irritate me.
> 
> The biggest being the excessive hand-holding when it comes to errors in connectivity etc.  The so-caoled connection doctor is nothing really but a very unverbose version of th Mail log file.
> 
> That said, at least they don't use stupid internal error codes like Microsoft does with Outlook and Outlook Express.  I'm currently working with a client to try and diagnose her E-Mail issues and trying to wade through those error codes is a nightmare.
> 
> But anyway, that's for another place.  Thunderbird Mac seems to be built along the same lines as Eudora for Mac was.  That too was totally inaccessible.
> 
> On 17 Apr 2010, at 00:30, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Well I don't think the Mac version is going to interest you either regardless of list <smile>, just tried it and couldn't make head nor tail of it.
> 
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From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Sat Apr 17 12:46:19 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 13:46:19 +0200
Subject: Keyboard Shortcuts from Numpad Commander without a
	Numpad	[was	Re: Spotlight Search Results]
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Hello Esther,

I turned Numpad Commander on to make the arrow keys plus number keys work for me. However, I have previously used an external Numpad with this MacBook, if only briefly.

This MacBook has a European keyboard, printed with the French AZERTY layout, though I have it set to British.

In Numpad Commander, I have no modifier key set. The commands are:
1 Item Chooser;
2 Move Down;
3 Unassigned;
4 Move Left;
5 Perform Action for Item;
6 Move Right;
7 Stop Interacting with Item;
8 Move Up;
9 Start Interacting with Item;
Clear Go to Dock;
= Go to Menu Bar;
/ Open Window Chooser;
* Go to Desktop;
- Open VoiceOver Help Menu;
+ Open Shortcut Menu;
Enter Unassigned;
. Escape.

Now here's something fascinating. The black MacBook I keep for demonstrations and teaching runs only in French with the French keyboard layout. The arrow keys plus lower case number keys works on there, too, as long as Numpad Commander is activated. This is really strange as on a French keyboard, you have to press the shift key to get the numbers.

Cheers,

Anne 


On Apr 17, 2010, at 1:28 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Gordon,
> 
> I agree about it unlikely to be differences in the keyboard layouts -- that might explain why keys outside the range of the simple number keys wouldn't work the same way, but not why those would not work.  I was genuinely surprised by the suggestion of holding down any arrow key and pressing a number key to get the Numpad Commander function, but it worked for me!
> 
> Here's the way my Numpad Commander is set to work without a modifer key:
> 1 Last visible item
> 2 Down
> 3 Mouse to VoiceOver Cursor
> 4 Left
> 5 Click Mouse
> 6 Right
> 7 First visible item
> 8 Up
> 9 Item Chooser
> clear Menubar
> = Mouse down
> / Mouse up
> * Perform action
> - Stop interacting with item
> + Interact with item
> . Escape
> 
> (No modifier key for these definitions)
> 
> I now remember that I assigned Mouse to VoiceOver cursor to the "3" key -- it's not set up that way in the "VoiceOver Getting Started Guide for Leopard" (since I keep a bookmark in Preview set to the Numpad Commander assignments section).  But I can hold down an arrow key and tap the "1" on the row of numbers to move to the last visible item, or tap the "9" key to bring up item chooser menu, etc.  The key settings for interacting and stop interacting were left the same.
> 
> I meant that perhaps it was my previously using the MacBook with Numpad Commander turned on, and either an attached USB numeric keypad and/or through using a Numeric Keypad app on my iPod Touch that may have made the difference.  I'll have to ask Anne whether she was using a laptop or a desktop keyboard when she tried the Numpad Commander sequences with arrow key and number keys from the top row of the keyboard.
> 
> Puzzling, but intriguing, since it works for me.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
> Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi Esther
>> 
>> OK, I just turned on Numpad Commander and it still won't work.  I can try this on our 2007 MacBook, but it seems it doesn't work on the 2009 models of the MBP.  You could, of course, be right about the differences in keyboard layouts, but I don't think the US and UK keyboards are all that different.  Just one or two symbols located in different places.  So I'd be surprised.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
>> Esther wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Gordon,
>> 
>> I wonder if you have to have once had Numpad commander enabled for your keyboard to recognize this? My laptop is even older than yours (Early 2008 MB -- the last model with Firewire before they switched to Unibody).  But at one time I connected a USB keypad to it to run Numpad commander.  I've also run Numpad Commander through a couple of programs on my iPod Touch, and have managed to get NumPad Commander functions to work using my iPod Touch as the Numeric keypad.
>> 
>> Even though Numpad Commander is not turned on right now, holding down any arrow key and pressing a key in the top row of numbers will give me the Numpad Commander sequence.  I'm pretty sure this worked for Anne, too.
>> 
>> I'll have to investigate this further.  Oh, and I mis-typed the command for stopping interacting (VO-Shift Up arrow). Another possibility is that because of the differences in U.K. and U.S. keyboards, only the actual number keys work with their Numpad Commander equivalent.  I'm also not sure whether I didn't customize my Numpad Commander settings from the default, but I'm pretty sure most of the keys are standard.  You can always check your own setting by going to VoiceOver Utility (VO-F8) and examining the table for the equivalents under Numpad.
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Esther
>>> 
>>> On our mid-2009 MBP, those options don't seem to work.
>>> 
>>> On 16 Apr 2010, at 21:29, Esther wrote:
>>> 
>>> OK, I'll redeem myself with a genuinely new find.  Someone on another list reported discovering that if you hold down any of the arrow keys and press one of the keys on the top row of numbers, you'll get the NumPad commander option for that key.  So, I've been trying out combinations like holding down the Left Arrow key with my thumb and tapping the "+" key with the middle finger of my right hand to interact (instead of VO-Shift-Down arrow), and tapping the "-" key to stop interacting, instead of VO-Shift-Down arrow. Other nice alternative options are holding down an arrow key and tapping the "3" key to route mouse cursor to VO cursor, and tapping the "1" key to move to last visible item.
>>> 
>>> I don't use a desktop Mac, so the Numpad Commander sequences don't come automatically to me.  I'm retraining my muscle memory <smile>.
>> 
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From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Sat Apr 17 13:26:22 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:26:22 +0200
Subject: Keyboard Shortcuts from Numpad Commander without a
	Numpad	[was	Re: Spotlight Search Results]
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Hello again,

Arrow key plus number key for Numpad Commander also works on Archie's 2010 MacBook Pro.

You have to be careful to use an arrow key that is not going to perform an action in the current circumstances. So, if you're at the bottom of a list, the Down arrow key would be the one to use.

Cheers,

Anne

On Apr 17, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Esther,
> 
> I turned Numpad Commander on to make the arrow keys plus number keys work for me. However, I have previously used an external Numpad with this MacBook, if only briefly.
> 
> This MacBook has a European keyboard, printed with the French AZERTY layout, though I have it set to British.
> 
> In Numpad Commander, I have no modifier key set. The commands are:
> 1 Item Chooser;
> 2 Move Down;
> 3 Unassigned;
> 4 Move Left;
> 5 Perform Action for Item;
> 6 Move Right;
> 7 Stop Interacting with Item;
> 8 Move Up;
> 9 Start Interacting with Item;
> Clear Go to Dock;
> = Go to Menu Bar;
> / Open Window Chooser;
> * Go to Desktop;
> - Open VoiceOver Help Menu;
> + Open Shortcut Menu;
> Enter Unassigned;
> . Escape.
> 
> Now here's something fascinating. The black MacBook I keep for demonstrations and teaching runs only in French with the French keyboard layout. The arrow keys plus lower case number keys works on there, too, as long as Numpad Commander is activated. This is really strange as on a French keyboard, you have to press the shift key to get the numbers.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne 
> 
> 
> On Apr 17, 2010, at 1:28 AM, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi Gordon,
>> 
>> I agree about it unlikely to be differences in the keyboard layouts -- that might explain why keys outside the range of the simple number keys wouldn't work the same way, but not why those would not work.  I was genuinely surprised by the suggestion of holding down any arrow key and pressing a number key to get the Numpad Commander function, but it worked for me!
>> 
>> Here's the way my Numpad Commander is set to work without a modifer key:
>> 1 Last visible item
>> 2 Down
>> 3 Mouse to VoiceOver Cursor
>> 4 Left
>> 5 Click Mouse
>> 6 Right
>> 7 First visible item
>> 8 Up
>> 9 Item Chooser
>> clear Menubar
>> = Mouse down
>> / Mouse up
>> * Perform action
>> - Stop interacting with item
>> + Interact with item
>> . Escape
>> 
>> (No modifier key for these definitions)
>> 
>> I now remember that I assigned Mouse to VoiceOver cursor to the "3" key -- it's not set up that way in the "VoiceOver Getting Started Guide for Leopard" (since I keep a bookmark in Preview set to the Numpad Commander assignments section).  But I can hold down an arrow key and tap the "1" on the row of numbers to move to the last visible item, or tap the "9" key to bring up item chooser menu, etc.  The key settings for interacting and stop interacting were left the same.
>> 
>> I meant that perhaps it was my previously using the MacBook with Numpad Commander turned on, and either an attached USB numeric keypad and/or through using a Numeric Keypad app on my iPod Touch that may have made the difference.  I'll have to ask Anne whether she was using a laptop or a desktop keyboard when she tried the Numpad Commander sequences with arrow key and number keys from the top row of the keyboard.
>> 
>> Puzzling, but intriguing, since it works for me.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> 
>> Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Esther
>>> 
>>> OK, I just turned on Numpad Commander and it still won't work.  I can try this on our 2007 MacBook, but it seems it doesn't work on the 2009 models of the MBP.  You could, of course, be right about the differences in keyboard layouts, but I don't think the US and UK keyboards are all that different.  Just one or two symbols located in different places.  So I'd be surprised.
>>> 
>>> Gordon
>>> 
>>> Esther wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Gordon,
>>> 
>>> I wonder if you have to have once had Numpad commander enabled for your keyboard to recognize this? My laptop is even older than yours (Early 2008 MB -- the last model with Firewire before they switched to Unibody).  But at one time I connected a USB keypad to it to run Numpad commander.  I've also run Numpad Commander through a couple of programs on my iPod Touch, and have managed to get NumPad Commander functions to work using my iPod Touch as the Numeric keypad.
>>> 
>>> Even though Numpad Commander is not turned on right now, holding down any arrow key and pressing a key in the top row of numbers will give me the Numpad Commander sequence.  I'm pretty sure this worked for Anne, too.
>>> 
>>> I'll have to investigate this further.  Oh, and I mis-typed the command for stopping interacting (VO-Shift Up arrow). Another possibility is that because of the differences in U.K. and U.S. keyboards, only the actual number keys work with their Numpad Commander equivalent.  I'm also not sure whether I didn't customize my Numpad Commander settings from the default, but I'm pretty sure most of the keys are standard.  You can always check your own setting by going to VoiceOver Utility (VO-F8) and examining the table for the equivalents under Numpad.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
>>> Gordon Smith wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Esther
>>>> 
>>>> On our mid-2009 MBP, those options don't seem to work.
>>>> 
>>>> On 16 Apr 2010, at 21:29, Esther wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> OK, I'll redeem myself with a genuinely new find.  Someone on another list reported discovering that if you hold down any of the arrow keys and press one of the keys on the top row of numbers, you'll get the NumPad commander option for that key.  So, I've been trying out combinations like holding down the Left Arrow key with my thumb and tapping the "+" key with the middle finger of my right hand to interact (instead of VO-Shift-Down arrow), and tapping the "-" key to stop interacting, instead of VO-Shift-Down arrow. Other nice alternative options are holding down an arrow key and tapping the "3" key to route mouse cursor to VO cursor, and tapping the "1" key to move to last visible item.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't use a desktop Mac, so the Numpad Commander sequences don't come automatically to me.  I'm retraining my muscle memory <smile>.
>>> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Apr 17 19:21:24 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 19:21:24 +0100
Subject: Deauthorising all computers on an iTunes Store account
Message-ID: <26B2284A-B6E1-40DA-BD91-0908D5FA50D7@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

I am sure there used to be a way to do this from within iTunes.  I want to de-authorise and then re-authorise all of the computers on our iTunes account.  We've recently had a motherboard replacement in one of our machines and, therefore, it's no longer available.

Can somebody remind me of the procedure to do this please?

Gordon



From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Sat Apr 17 19:54:17 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 20:54:17 +0200
Subject: Deauthorising all computers on an iTunes Store account
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Hello Gordon,

I need to de-authorise two computers myself, so I'll write this as I go.

You can only de-authorise all your computers at once, and only when you already have 5 authorised. You can only do this once a year without contacting Apple for permission.

In iTunes, go to the iTune Store and click on the button for your account.
Enter your password and go to Last Item to click on View my account.
Find where it says "X authorised computers".
There should be a button next to that saying "de-authorise all".

Click this, then re-authorise the computers you want.

I hope this works since I can't actually do it as I only have 4 computers authorised.

Cheers,

Anne
 
On Apr 17, 2010, at 8:21 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> I am sure there used to be a way to do this from within iTunes.  I want to de-authorise and then re-authorise all of the computers on our iTunes account.  We've recently had a motherboard replacement in one of our machines and, therefore, it's no longer available.
> 
> Can somebody remind me of the procedure to do this please?
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu Apr 15 21:55:15 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 06:55:15 +1000
Subject: Tables Spreadsheet software
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Okay, the web site is http://www.x-tables.eu/more/overview.html

On 15/04/2010, at 10:42 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Dane
> 
> I've been meaning to play with this actually because I want to get back into the administration tasks again to help my other half by lightening her load.
> 
> We're still looking for an effective way to produce PDF documents and DAISY documents.  It looks like the only way we're going to be able to do that is to use a VM and invest in Adobe Acrobat Pro again for Windows.  Something I'm not especially ieen on doing ... but I do have what I think is probably the most comprehensive DAISY publishing suite in the world, Dolphin EasePublisher and that's also for Windows.
> 
> Greg Kerney, (think I've spelled that right), didn't get back to Lynne after she contacted him regarding publishing. So we have to assume it's not possible on the Mac.
> 
> The Open Office solution is no use either, to be honest, as all it does is converts documents.  Publishing is far more involved than that, and even the other software I have for Windows which came with my Plextalk is more powerful than that.
> 
> My only problem with Windows on this machine is the lack of an extended keypad.
> 
> That said, I just had a brain wave and dug out an old USB to PS2 keyboard/mouse adapter and a Windows keyboard and it works well with our Macbook Pro in a VM.
> 
> So it looks as though we have lift-off as far as DAISY publishing goes.
> 
> But to get back to the point of accessible word processors etc.  I'll play with Pages some more Dane because I'm sure the functions you mention are accessible.  Nisus is good as far as it goes.  But in some ways, Pages has more to offer.
> 
> I don't mean that to sound in any way discouraging to anybody who might want to give Nisus a try.  There's no doubt that it's a very very high quality word processor.
> 
> I, however, have never been able to get Office formatted files, for instance, to work properly with Nisus.  Whereas Pages just behaves perfectly every time.
> 
> To me, for my own personal use, Office files don't matter one jot.  But I frequently have to produce them for the graphics design company I work for as a network administrator.
> 
> They themselves are totally Mac-based now.  But their clients insist on Windows it seems.  That is one reason why I need to start familiarising myself with spreadsheet structures and formatting using something like Numbers, or Tables.
> 
> Perhaps, while I'm feeling relatively alright, I should go and hunt down Tables and give it a try to compare it to Numbers.  And, of course, there's always Bento.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> On 15 Apr 2010, at 00:43, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Okay, well ask Gordon if he can produce a Pages document with Tables Of Contents, Footnites and Endnotes? They're some of the features I use with Nisus Writer Pro which I can't seem to get working with Pages.
> 
> How does Pages go with Numbered Lists? Suppose I have a whole pea of lines I want to number, all I have to do with Nisus Writer Pro is to select the lines of text I want in the list, go to the Format Menu, Select Lists and select the type of list style I want or create a custom style, I haven't found a way to do this with Pages.
> 
> Yep, I can get Pages to create lists from scratch but its changing styles that I can't seem to do.
> 
> 
> On 15/04/2010, at 9:29 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hello Dane
>> 
>> On 14 Apr 2010, at 22:18, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> ? Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking Numbers as I bought the thing <smile> so the more accessibility and productivity I get out of it then the better for me <smile>, I just find that Tables is a far more accessible product and that's probably because I've played with Tables more than Numbers.
>> 
>> I'm going to try Tables actually, see what it's like with Voiceover. Numbers does work but there are some aspects of it which, even with vision, I don't like.
>> 
>> ? I suppose accessibility is very subjective, I can get a lot out of Open Office for example, the Spreadsheet component of that application is extremely easy to navigate but yet other people seem to have problems.
>> 
>> We tried Open office and gave it up as a bad job. yes it works; but it's not nearly as nice to use as other programmes we have.
>> 
>> ? I think Nisus Writer Pro is a far more accessible word processor than is Pages however again, I use Nisus writer more than I do Pages so its likely that I may be missing something <smile>.
>> 
>> I totally disagree on that one actually. Pages is extremely accessible and Gordon uses it all the time now.
>> 
>> he can, and has produced some pretty complex documents using Pages and the formatting was fine.
>> 
>> Lynne
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From tsiegel at softcon.us  Sun Apr 18 03:41:01 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 21:41:01 -0500
Subject: ISO ... Here We Go Again!
In-Reply-To: <07A87646-3F96-4E8D-B281-8D300A809EA8@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <07A87646-3F96-4E8D-B281-8D300A809EA8@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <39391BC0-7DD6-4D5F-8C58-18AC09D01A12@softcon.us>

The only way I've gotten this to work is to do the following.
1. mount the iso image in question.
2. highlight the volume name of the iso image in the finder.
3. select burn to disk from the file menu, and tell it to burn the  
root of the disk.

You must select the disk in finder before telling file/burn to make  
the disk, and it *must* be the mounted image main folder, not the  
files in the folder, or it will burn everything, but it won't be  
bootable.
I've had zero luck trying to burn bootable iso images any other way.
No clue why just burning the iso image directly doesn't work, but  
although I can see all the contents of the disk, it doesn't boot.   
Guess it doesn't put the files in the right place or something.
Hth.


From tsiegel at softcon.us  Sun Apr 18 04:52:28 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:52:28 -0500
Subject: books in text format?
In-Reply-To: <w2s7fc47cd21004162028w93c167datb56564c05458a6fc@mail.gmail.com>
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Not exactly on topic, but here's a few places to obtain books in  
electronic format.
(I really should write a book or something about this)
For scifi and fantasy titles (that's all they publish, though they  
have brought on additional publishers lately, so there's additional  
material becoming available now)
http://www.webscriptions.net
This is baen.com (baen publishing, and if you can get your doctor  to  
certify you are print disabled, they will give you access to their  
entire collection of books for free.

One site with thousands of books, (many in pdf format, but many not,  
because of their encrypted status) you can't go wrong with
http://www.fictionwise.com

A site that is on topic for the list, since it has two books related  
to macs and iphones is nostarch press.
http://www.nostarch.com

The direct url to the books that are available in pdf format is:
http://nostarch.com/about_ebooks.htm
although they don't seem to have how to write portable code on that  
list, which I did buy from them in pdf format last year.

An author has built his own site, and put his own books up for  
publication, although he primarily writes scifi books, there's some  
other things there too, such as star charts, how to write, and so forth.
http://www.scifi-az.com

Depending on if you're particular about how old your books are, you  
can always try project gutenberg, which has over 30 thousand books  
available at:
http://www.gutenberg.org

Virginia university has a rather extensive digital collection that can  
be searched at:
http://virgobeta.lib.virginia.edu/catalog?source_facet=Digital+Library

You can find quite a collection of books in electronic format at e- 
reads, though their web site isn't the most accessible one I've run  
across, it does work.
http://www.ereads.com
Though, baen is including some of these books in their webscriptions  
site, so if you have the free access to baen books, some of the e- 
reads collection is already available to you.

There are of course others, but these are the first few that popped  
into my head (and browser when typing in others) and all of them have  
books in electronic format, some in pdf, some in other formats, so be  
sure you purchase formats that you can use
(btw, just an fyi.  Epub books are simply html files that have been  
combined and compressed into a zip file.
You can change the epub extenstion to .zip, and finder will uncompress  
these books just fine.
Then you can use safari to read these books.
This of course assumes the epub books in question do not impose any  
encryption restrictions or the like).
Hope this helps.
If you need more assistance, drop me a line off-list, and I'd be glad  
to assist a necessary.

From tsiegel at softcon.us  Sun Apr 18 04:57:20 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 22:57:20 -0500
Subject: Accessible Word processors and their accessible functions
In-Reply-To: <2E050544-9D0F-401E-9BA0-D1331CABA043@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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	<6A142DD5-8E6B-4D57-8227-BF9CED2060E4@optonline.net>
	<4CD7C5A2-26AD-4032-BF38-4F54D46D1747@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Why can't you just use the print function from your word processor of  
choice from the mac, then simply select pdf as your output.
Produces a formatted perfectly accessible pdf file every time, and no  
need to mess around with pdf creation tools at all.
I'm guessing you'd like more control over the pdf creation process,  
but if your word processor of choice on the mac formats the document  
properly, this shouldn't be an issue.


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sun Apr 18 05:30:53 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 14:30:53 +1000
Subject: Accessible Word processors and their accessible functions
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	<0702ACC7-9153-497F-BF72-5F5599E3CCAD@optonline.net>
	<B4E48824-23B4-4C06-95F2-5B45DD4E9424@anarchie.org.uk>
	<BA1317F3-0E52-405B-8C4C-B91C76BEBDFC@internode.on.net>
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	<A70A967B-4D47-439E-836D-325059F52E4B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<41F185B6-A865-40E9-9409-20677F029702@internode.on.net>
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Yep you can do that but I don't think that's going to help where tables of contents and forms are concerned.


On 18/04/2010, at 1:57 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

> Why can't you just use the print function from your word processor of choice from the mac, then simply select pdf as your output.
> Produces a formatted perfectly accessible pdf file every time, and no need to mess around with pdf creation tools at all.
> I'm guessing you'd like more control over the pdf creation process, but if your word processor of choice on the mac formats the document properly, this shouldn't be an issue.
> 
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From cjsims3000 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 06:21:27 2010
From: cjsims3000 at gmail.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 15:21:27 +1000
Subject: Audio Hijack Pro something I've just discovered
In-Reply-To: <5FA1F15A-D8C2-4E12-8D50-8FB8A7B37473@internode.on.net>
References: <5FA1F15A-D8C2-4E12-8D50-8FB8A7B37473@internode.on.net>
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Dane, Is there still an issue with the Soundflower plugin that can cause you to lose speach with Voiceover? This is one of the reasons that I haven't taken the gamble of buying it. 
Christopher Sims
cjsims3000 at gmail.com
facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 

On 17/04/2010, at 7:33 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> Well I don't know who to give credit to for this but it seems that -f you're prepared to fiddle a bit - the Effects in Audio Hijack Pro are accessible.
> 
> For example, select the "Effects" tab and navigate to the Scroll area, Interact with this.
> 
> Move the mouse to the scroll area with vo-command-f5 and click, a menu listing all the effects pops up, choose the one you want and press the return key.
> 
> Now to clear the effect? Go into the "Control" menu of Audio Hijack pro and select "Clear Effects".
> 
> Yes, some problems still need to be addressed, you can't as far as I can tell adjust the effect or have more than one effect active at the same time - well at least you can't use Voiceover to accomplish these tasks - but perhaps if we keep gnawing away - as we have ben - at the developers then we'll continue to see improvements to what is an excellent product, Audio Hijack Pro is one of those products on the Mac that I myself couldn't do without as it can be put to so many uses, everything from Recording Skype and Ichat sessions to amplefying sound taken from the line-in of the Mac.
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sun Apr 18 07:40:26 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 16:40:26 +1000
Subject: Audio Hijack Pro something I've just discovered
In-Reply-To: <CD77EBBC-44CB-465D-99C1-9BE96DCDA367@gmail.com>
References: <5FA1F15A-D8C2-4E12-8D50-8FB8A7B37473@internode.on.net>
	<CD77EBBC-44CB-465D-99C1-9BE96DCDA367@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7DF75F4B-27D0-42D7-8432-376CE451C74A@internode.on.net>

In the 4 years I've been using the product I've never ever had that problem and nor have I ever heard of anyone else having that problem so its complete news to me! <smile>


On 18/04/2010, at 3:21 PM, Christopher Sims wrote:

> Dane, Is there still an issue with the Soundflower plugin that can cause you to lose speach with Voiceover? This is one of the reasons that I haven't taken the gamble of buying it. 
> Christopher Sims
> cjsims3000 at gmail.com
> facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
> skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 
> 
> On 17/04/2010, at 7:33 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> Well I don't know who to give credit to for this but it seems that -f you're prepared to fiddle a bit - the Effects in Audio Hijack Pro are accessible.
>> 
>> For example, select the "Effects" tab and navigate to the Scroll area, Interact with this.
>> 
>> Move the mouse to the scroll area with vo-command-f5 and click, a menu listing all the effects pops up, choose the one you want and press the return key.
>> 
>> Now to clear the effect? Go into the "Control" menu of Audio Hijack pro and select "Clear Effects".
>> 
>> Yes, some problems still need to be addressed, you can't as far as I can tell adjust the effect or have more than one effect active at the same time - well at least you can't use Voiceover to accomplish these tasks - but perhaps if we keep gnawing away - as we have ben - at the developers then we'll continue to see improvements to what is an excellent product, Audio Hijack Pro is one of those products on the Mac that I myself couldn't do without as it can be put to so many uses, everything from Recording Skype and Ichat sessions to amplefying sound taken from the line-in of the Mac.
>> 
>> 
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From cjsims3000 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 18 10:33:17 2010
From: cjsims3000 at gmail.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 19:33:17 +1000
Subject: Audio Hijack Pro something I've just discovered
In-Reply-To: <7DF75F4B-27D0-42D7-8432-376CE451C74A@internode.on.net>
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Ok.  Thankyou for clearing that up.  
Christopher Sims
cjsims3000 at gmail.com
facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 

On 18/04/2010, at 4:40 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> In the 4 years I've been using the product I've never ever had that problem and nor have I ever heard of anyone else having that problem so its complete news to me! <smile>
> 
> 
> On 18/04/2010, at 3:21 PM, Christopher Sims wrote:
> 
>> Dane, Is there still an issue with the Soundflower plugin that can cause you to lose speach with Voiceover? This is one of the reasons that I haven't taken the gamble of buying it. 
>> Christopher Sims
>> cjsims3000 at gmail.com
>> facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
>> skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 
>> 
>> On 17/04/2010, at 7:33 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> Well I don't know who to give credit to for this but it seems that -f you're prepared to fiddle a bit - the Effects in Audio Hijack Pro are accessible.
>>> 
>>> For example, select the "Effects" tab and navigate to the Scroll area, Interact with this.
>>> 
>>> Move the mouse to the scroll area with vo-command-f5 and click, a menu listing all the effects pops up, choose the one you want and press the return key.
>>> 
>>> Now to clear the effect? Go into the "Control" menu of Audio Hijack pro and select "Clear Effects".
>>> 
>>> Yes, some problems still need to be addressed, you can't as far as I can tell adjust the effect or have more than one effect active at the same time - well at least you can't use Voiceover to accomplish these tasks - but perhaps if we keep gnawing away - as we have ben - at the developers then we'll continue to see improvements to what is an excellent product, Audio Hijack Pro is one of those products on the Mac that I myself couldn't do without as it can be put to so many uses, everything from Recording Skype and Ichat sessions to amplefying sound taken from the line-in of the Mac.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun Apr 18 10:58:01 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 10:58:01 +0100
Subject: Deauthorising all computers on an iTunes Store account
In-Reply-To: <E43B61E4-0051-49A1-9E53-A57B08026390@anarchie.org.uk>
References: <26B2284A-B6E1-40DA-BD91-0908D5FA50D7@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<E43B61E4-0051-49A1-9E53-A57B08026390@anarchie.org.uk>
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Hi Anne

Wow!  Well we only have 4 authorised as well, but I remember doing that once before and I think that procedure must have changed since then.

Thanks, I'll have a look because I need to authorise 5 machines.

I think the notion of only being able to de-authorise once a year without contacting Apple for support is crazy!  What business is it of Apple's how you use your computers?

Gordon


On 17 Apr 2010, at 19:54, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello Gordon,

I need to de-authorise two computers myself, so I'll write this as I go.

You can only de-authorise all your computers at once, and only when you already have 5 authorised. You can only do this once a year without contacting Apple for permission.

In iTunes, go to the iTune Store and click on the button for your account.
Enter your password and go to Last Item to click on View my account.
Find where it says "X authorised computers".
There should be a button next to that saying "de-authorise all".

Click this, then re-authorise the computers you want.


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun Apr 18 11:17:06 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:17:06 +0100
Subject: ISO ... Here We Go Again!
In-Reply-To: <39391BC0-7DD6-4D5F-8C58-18AC09D01A12@softcon.us>
References: <07A87646-3F96-4E8D-B281-8D300A809EA8@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<39391BC0-7DD6-4D5F-8C58-18AC09D01A12@softcon.us>
Message-ID: <54AC0538-EEAC-4239-9562-17981938DE7A@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Travis

Subsequent to my message, I discovered that tyhe online versions of Windows purchased are not bootable images for some reason.

So I've had to dig around and I've fout the official MS tool to create a boot disk.  There are companies selling tools to do the same thing, but they're a rip-off.

Gordon

On 18 Apr 2010, at 03:41, Travis Siegel wrote:

The only way I've gotten this to work is to do the following.
1. mount the iso image in question.
2. highlight the volume name of the iso image in the finder.
3. select burn to disk from the file menu, and tell it to burn the root of the disk.

You must select the disk in finder before telling file/burn to make the disk, and it *must* be the mounted image main folder, not the files in the folder, or it will burn everything, but it won't be bootable.
I've had zero luck trying to burn bootable iso images any other way.
No clue why just burning the iso image directly doesn't work, but although I can see all the contents of the disk, it doesn't boot.  Guess it doesn't put the files in the right place or something.
Hth.


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun Apr 18 11:21:55 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 11:21:55 +0100
Subject: Accessible Word processors and their accessible functions
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Hello Travis

On 18 Apr 2010, at 04:57, Travis Siegel wrote:

? Why can't you just use the print function from your word processor of choice from the mac, then simply select pdf as your output.

Because you cannot add tags to your PDF files. These documents are confidential reports and I want them secured.

? Produces a formatted perfectly accessible pdf file every time, and no need to mess around with pdf creation tools at all.
I'm guessing you'd like more control over the pdf creation process, but if your word processor of choice on the mac formats the document properly, this shouldn't be an issue.
That's correct. You can't do what I need, unfortunately.

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sun Apr 18 17:05:06 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 02:05:06 +1000
Subject: Audio Hijack Pro something I've just discovered
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I must say, I thought I'd heard just about everything as far as Audio Hijack was concerned but I have to hand it to you Christopher, this is a completely new one! <smile>.


On 18/04/2010, at 7:33 PM, Christopher Sims wrote:

> Ok.  Thankyou for clearing that up.  
> Christopher Sims
> cjsims3000 at gmail.com
> facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
> skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 
> 
> On 18/04/2010, at 4:40 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> In the 4 years I've been using the product I've never ever had that problem and nor have I ever heard of anyone else having that problem so its complete news to me! <smile>
>> 
>> 
>> On 18/04/2010, at 3:21 PM, Christopher Sims wrote:
>> 
>>> Dane, Is there still an issue with the Soundflower plugin that can cause you to lose speach with Voiceover? This is one of the reasons that I haven't taken the gamble of buying it. 
>>> Christopher Sims
>>> cjsims3000 at gmail.com
>>> facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
>>> skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 
>>> 
>>> On 17/04/2010, at 7:33 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> 
>>>> Well I don't know who to give credit to for this but it seems that -f you're prepared to fiddle a bit - the Effects in Audio Hijack Pro are accessible.
>>>> 
>>>> For example, select the "Effects" tab and navigate to the Scroll area, Interact with this.
>>>> 
>>>> Move the mouse to the scroll area with vo-command-f5 and click, a menu listing all the effects pops up, choose the one you want and press the return key.
>>>> 
>>>> Now to clear the effect? Go into the "Control" menu of Audio Hijack pro and select "Clear Effects".
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, some problems still need to be addressed, you can't as far as I can tell adjust the effect or have more than one effect active at the same time - well at least you can't use Voiceover to accomplish these tasks - but perhaps if we keep gnawing away - as we have ben - at the developers then we'll continue to see improvements to what is an excellent product, Audio Hijack Pro is one of those products on the Mac that I myself couldn't do without as it can be put to so many uses, everything from Recording Skype and Ichat sessions to amplefying sound taken from the line-in of the Mac.
>>>> 
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From mike at busboom.at  Sun Apr 18 18:34:30 2010
From: mike at busboom.at (Michael Busboom)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 19:34:30 +0200
Subject: Frustrating IMAP issue
Message-ID: <426E7A7D-5AAA-4D77-A6C6-E98C4C4F4B39@busboom.at>

Hi.

I am having a problem that is quite frustrating for me.

For a lot of work-related projects, I have to use MS Windows.  My Windows e-mail client is Thunderbird.  On the Mac side, I use the Mail program that comes with Snow Leopard.  I have configured both Thunderbird and Mail to use IMAP.  This has worked fine for the past four months, ever since I started to go with this approach, actually.

For the past few days, however, I have noticed that although all of the messages I leave in my "Sent" mailbox can be viewed with the Thunderbird client, none of them is visible when I go to the "Sent" mailbox using Mail.  Interestingly though, the messages suddenly reappear if I move them from the "Sent" mailbox to another mailbox.  They can then be viewed on both computers.

Does anyone have any ideas about why this is occurring and how I can rectify the problem?

Kindest regards,

Mike


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun Apr 18 20:15:00 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 20:15:00 +0100
Subject: Windows 7 ort XP 64 bit Installation under Boot Camp
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Hello everybody

A week or so back, I believe somebody reported to the list that they were experiencing difficulties with installing Windows under Boot Camp.

if you're using the 64 bit version of Windows especially, but actually this applies to all Boot Camp users. You should update to the 3.1 version of Boot Camp to resolve back screen issues during Windows 7 installation or blue screen issues during XP.

The reason for the problem is that Boot Camp 3.0 does not include graphics drivers suitable for 64 bit Windows and there are also issues with the graphics and blue tooth drivers on MacBook, MacBook Pro, iMac and Mac Pro machines.

The version of Boot Camp that ships with Snow Leopard is 3.0 so you really should update to 3.1 which you can find at the usual Apple support download page.

Otherwise, go to http://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp/ for more details.

I hope that helps somebody.

Lynne



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun Apr 18 20:18:45 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 20:18:45 +0100
Subject: Frustrating IMAP issue
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Mike

In Mail, and presumably Thunderbird supports this as well, make sure that, in the account's advanced properties, you turn on "Don't keep copies of all messages".  That will only download the headers of the message until you open the message.  That's what we do and it solves this issue nicely.

Gordon


On 18 Apr 2010, at 18:34, Michael Busboom wrote:

Hi.

I am having a problem that is quite frustrating for me.

For a lot of work-related projects, I have to use MS Windows.  My Windows e-mail client is Thunderbird.  On the Mac side, I use the Mail program that comes with Snow Leopard.  I have configured both Thunderbird and Mail to use IMAP.  This has worked fine for the past four months, ever since I started to go with this approach, actually.

For the past few days, however, I have noticed that although all of the messages I leave in my "Sent" mailbox can be viewed with the Thunderbird client, none of them is visible when I go to the "Sent" mailbox using Mail.  Interestingly though, the messages suddenly reappear if I move them from the "Sent" mailbox to another mailbox.  They can then be viewed on both computers.

Does anyone have any ideas about why this is occurring and how I can rectify the problem?

Kindest regards,

Mike

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From moriond at mac.com  Sun Apr 18 21:36:32 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 10:36:32 -1000
Subject: Keyboard Shortcuts from Numpad Commander without a	Numpad	[was	Re:
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Dear Anne,

This is fascinating.  Did you also connect a USB numeric keypad to  
Archie's 2010 MacBook Pro, or can he use the Numpad Commander shortcut  
for a number in the top row of keyboard numbers when any arrow key is  
held down without ever having had a USB numeric keypad connected?

I connected an external USB numpad to my MacBook back in January  
2009.  From the connection dialogue about the newly discovered device,  
it was recognized as a USB keyboard.  I think there may have been some  
options to verify type by pressing a few relevant keys.  I'd picked an  
IBM (now rebranded as Lenovo, sold to them by IBM) numeric keypad  
(Lenovo 33L3225 17-key USB Numeric Keypad, to be exact), for maximum  
Unix/Linux/Mac OS X capability.  The same device hooked up to my old  
12" G4 PowerBook (with embedded numeric keypad) also got picked up as  
a generic USB device, and I just quit the rest of the setup menu  
options (which did not distinguish this device type the way the Intel  
Macbook did), and the numeric keyboard worked when I toggled on the  
NumLock key.

I don't have to turn NumPad Commander on to use the arrow key + number  
key to get the equivalent NumPad Commander function on my laptop.   
This may be due to a quirk in the way I activated NumPad Commander.   
The VoiceOver Getting Started Manual for Leopard actually indicated  
two ways of starting NumPad Commander.  One way was to go to VoiceOver  
Utility (VO-F8) and check the box to enable NumPad Commander.  The  
second way, listed in their table of VoiceOver commands in the  
Appendix, is to use VO-Clear from the numpad itself to turn NumPad  
Commander on or off.  When I used VO-Clear from the connected USB  
numpad, I found I could use the NumPad Commander functions while the  
check box on the VoiceOver Utility screen  remained unchecked.  I have  
Universal Access status showing in my status menu bar (option checked  
on the "Seeing" tab entry for System Preferences), because I do a lot  
of testing of features  such as "Mouse Keys" and "Zoom" mode  
interactions, and I need to check whether these features are on or  
off. According to that menu, my NumPad Commander is turned off.

There was a lot of discussion of the irony of removing the embedded  
numeric keypads in the MacBooks about the same time Leopard introduced  
NumPad Commander.  I wonder whether this feature is part of an attempt  
to address this?  From an accessibility point of view, using the key  
combination of arrow keys + (unshifted) number key functions would  
make a lot of sense, and would explain why these combinations work for  
the (unshifted) number keys on the French keyboard.  (Incidentally,  
the need to press the shift key to type numbers is yet another reason  
that I use a Canadian French keyboard instead of a regular French  
keyboard to input French text, along with the swapped "a" and "q" keys  
plus "w" and "z" keys.  I still remember that it was almost impossible  
to type in my password, which includes symbol keys, on a French  
keyboard.)

The other, less likely, way I might have enabled these key  
combinations is by using NumPad Commander from the screen of my iPod  
Touch. The program I would now use for this is "NumPad -- Wireless  
Numeric Keypad" ($2.99) by Edovia:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/numpad-wireless-numeric-keypad/id297623436?mt=8

This program will correctly handled the NumPad Commander function  
combinations defined for use with modifier keys, such as the Command  
key. My earlier recommendation of "NumberKey" ($1.99) or "NumberKey  
Free" by  Balmuda Design LTD will work for unmodified key  
combinations.  However, that app requires you to download a desktop  
Number Key Connect program to use it, and it also has not been  
upgraded since before the OS 3.0 release.  It's fine if you just want  
to use it for numeric entry into spreadsheets, though I think there  
are more recent (including free) numeric keypad apps that will let you  
do that.

I have to admit that I haven't done much exploration with these numpad  
apps recently.  Chronologically, I was able to use Balmuda's NumberKey  
app on a friend's first generation iPod Touch before I even got my  
external USB numpad.  I was running Google searches to find a Mac  
compatible numpad, and turned up this $1.99 application.  Turning on  
VoiceOver's keyboard practice mode (VO-k) when the app is running lets  
you hear the keys that you touch announced.  Rubber bands across the  
first generation iPod Touch, and the fact that the numeric keypad  
layout is pretty close to a similar numeric keypad on your Mac, did  
the rest.

So, although I suspect that it was the USB connection to an external  
numpad that activated these keys, I've also used my MacBook with two  
different varieties of NumPad apps on my iPod Touch and turned NumPad  
Commander on.  I've activated NumPad Commander both from the keypad  
(VO-Clear, where the "Clear" key is on the numeric keypad) and by  
turning it on under VoiceOver utility (VO-F8).  And I've turned NumPad  
Commander on and off with the "Clear" key of both my external USB  
numpad and the numpad of the iPhone/iPod Touch apps.

HTH

Cheers,

Esther

Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello again,
>
> Arrow key plus number key for Numpad Commander also works on  
> Archie's 2010 MacBook Pro.
>
> You have to be careful to use an arrow key that is not going to  
> perform an action in the current circumstances. So, if you're at the  
> bottom of a list, the Down arrow key would be the one to use.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
> On Apr 17, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>
>> Hello Esther,
>>
>> I turned Numpad Commander on to make the arrow keys plus number  
>> keys work for me. However, I have previously used an external  
>> Numpad with this MacBook, if only briefly.
>>
>> This MacBook has a European keyboard, printed with the French  
>> AZERTY layout, though I have it set to British.
>>
>> In Numpad Commander, I have no modifier key set. The commands are:
>> 1 Item Chooser;
>> 2 Move Down;
>> 3 Unassigned;
>> 4 Move Left;
>> 5 Perform Action for Item;
>> 6 Move Right;
>> 7 Stop Interacting with Item;
>> 8 Move Up;
>> 9 Start Interacting with Item;
>> Clear Go to Dock;
>> = Go to Menu Bar;
>> / Open Window Chooser;
>> * Go to Desktop;
>> - Open VoiceOver Help Menu;
>> + Open Shortcut Menu;
>> Enter Unassigned;
>> . Escape.
>>
>> Now here's something fascinating. The black MacBook I keep for  
>> demonstrations and teaching runs only in French with the French  
>> keyboard layout. The arrow keys plus lower case number keys works  
>> on there, too, as long as Numpad Commander is activated. This is  
>> really strange as on a French keyboard, you have to press the shift  
>> key to get the numbers.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Anne
>>
>>
>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 1:28 AM, Esther wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Gordon,
>>>
>>> I agree about it unlikely to be differences in the keyboard  
>>> layouts -- that might explain why keys outside the range of the  
>>> simple number keys wouldn't work the same way, but not why those  
>>> would not work.  I was genuinely surprised by the suggestion of  
>>> holding down any arrow key and pressing a number key to get the  
>>> Numpad Commander function, but it worked for me!
>>>
>>> Here's the way my Numpad Commander is set to work without a  
>>> modifer key:
>>> 1 Last visible item
>>> 2 Down
>>> 3 Mouse to VoiceOver Cursor
>>> 4 Left
>>> 5 Click Mouse
>>> 6 Right
>>> 7 First visible item
>>> 8 Up
>>> 9 Item Chooser
>>> clear Menubar
>>> = Mouse down
>>> / Mouse up
>>> * Perform action
>>> - Stop interacting with item
>>> + Interact with item
>>> . Escape
>>>
>>> (No modifier key for these definitions)
>>>
>>> I now remember that I assigned Mouse to VoiceOver cursor to the  
>>> "3" key -- it's not set up that way in the "VoiceOver Getting  
>>> Started Guide for Leopard" (since I keep a bookmark in Preview set  
>>> to the Numpad Commander assignments section).  But I can hold down  
>>> an arrow key and tap the "1" on the row of numbers to move to the  
>>> last visible item, or tap the "9" key to bring up item chooser  
>>> menu, etc.  The key settings for interacting and stop interacting  
>>> were left the same.
>>>
>>> I meant that perhaps it was my previously using the MacBook with  
>>> Numpad Commander turned on, and either an attached USB numeric  
>>> keypad and/or through using a Numeric Keypad app on my iPod Touch  
>>> that may have made the difference.  I'll have to ask Anne whether  
>>> she was using a laptop or a desktop keyboard when she tried the  
>>> Numpad Commander sequences with arrow key and number keys from the  
>>> top row of the keyboard.
>>>
>>> Puzzling, but intriguing, since it works for me.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Esther
>>>
>>>
>>> Gordon Smith wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Esther
>>>>
>>>> OK, I just turned on Numpad Commander and it still won't work.  I  
>>>> can try this on our 2007 MacBook, but it seems it doesn't work on  
>>>> the 2009 models of the MBP.  You could, of course, be right about  
>>>> the differences in keyboard layouts, but I don't think the US and  
>>>> UK keyboards are all that different.  Just one or two symbols  
>>>> located in different places.  So I'd be surprised.
>>>>
>>>> Gordon
>>>>
>>>> Esther wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Gordon,
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if you have to have once had Numpad commander enabled  
>>>> for your keyboard to recognize this? My laptop is even older than  
>>>> yours (Early 2008 MB -- the last model with Firewire before they  
>>>> switched to Unibody).  But at one time I connected a USB keypad  
>>>> to it to run Numpad commander.  I've also run Numpad Commander  
>>>> through a couple of programs on my iPod Touch, and have managed  
>>>> to get NumPad Commander functions to work using my iPod Touch as  
>>>> the Numeric keypad.
>>>>
>>>> Even though Numpad Commander is not turned on right now, holding  
>>>> down any arrow key and pressing a key in the top row of numbers  
>>>> will give me the Numpad Commander sequence.  I'm pretty sure this  
>>>> worked for Anne, too.
>>>>
>>>> I'll have to investigate this further.  Oh, and I mis-typed the  
>>>> command for stopping interacting (VO-Shift Up arrow). Another  
>>>> possibility is that because of the differences in U.K. and U.S.  
>>>> keyboards, only the actual number keys work with their Numpad  
>>>> Commander equivalent.  I'm also not sure whether I didn't  
>>>> customize my Numpad Commander settings from the default, but I'm  
>>>> pretty sure most of the keys are standard.  You can always check  
>>>> your own setting by going to VoiceOver Utility (VO-F8) and  
>>>> examining the table for the equivalents under Numpad.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Esther
>>>>
>>>> Gordon Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Esther
>>>>>
>>>>> On our mid-2009 MBP, those options don't seem to work.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 16 Apr 2010, at 21:29, Esther wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, I'll redeem myself with a genuinely new find.  Someone on  
>>>>> another list reported discovering that if you hold down any of  
>>>>> the arrow keys and press one of the keys on the top row of  
>>>>> numbers, you'll get the NumPad commander option for that key.   
>>>>> So, I've been trying out combinations like holding down the Left  
>>>>> Arrow key with my thumb and tapping the "+" key with the middle  
>>>>> finger of my right hand to interact (instead of VO-Shift-Down  
>>>>> arrow), and tapping the "-" key to stop interacting, instead of  
>>>>> VO-Shift-Down arrow. Other nice alternative options are holding  
>>>>> down an arrow key and tapping the "3" key to route mouse cursor  
>>>>> to VO cursor, and tapping the "1" key to move to last visible  
>>>>> item.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't use a desktop Mac, so the Numpad Commander sequences  
>>>>> don't come automatically to me.  I'm retraining my muscle memory  
>>>>> <smile>.
>>>>


From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Mon Apr 19 08:56:56 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:56:56 +0200
Subject: Keyboard Shortcuts from Numpad Commander without
	a	Numpad	[was	Re: Spotlight Search Results]
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Hello Esther,

There has never been a numeric keypad connected to Archie's MacBook Pro, but Numpad Commander using arrow keys and top row numbers still works. We had to turn Numpad Commander on for it to work but that was all.

Interestingly, there is a major difference between US keyboards and European ones. US keyboards only have 78 keys, whereas European ones have 79. The extra key is located to the right of the left-hand shift key which itself is smaller than the right-hand one.

Cheers,

Anne


On Apr 18, 2010, at 10:36 PM, Esther wrote:

> Dear Anne,
> 
> This is fascinating.  Did you also connect a USB numeric keypad to Archie's 2010 MacBook Pro, or can he use the Numpad Commander shortcut for a number in the top row of keyboard numbers when any arrow key is held down without ever having had a USB numeric keypad connected?
> 
> I connected an external USB numpad to my MacBook back in January 2009.  From the connection dialogue about the newly discovered device, it was recognized as a USB keyboard.  I think there may have been some options to verify type by pressing a few relevant keys.  I'd picked an IBM (now rebranded as Lenovo, sold to them by IBM) numeric keypad (Lenovo 33L3225 17-key USB Numeric Keypad, to be exact), for maximum Unix/Linux/Mac OS X capability.  The same device hooked up to my old 12" G4 PowerBook (with embedded numeric keypad) also got picked up as a generic USB device, and I just quit the rest of the setup menu options (which did not distinguish this device type the way the Intel Macbook did), and the numeric keyboard worked when I toggled on the NumLock key.
> 
> I don't have to turn NumPad Commander on to use the arrow key + number key to get the equivalent NumPad Commander function on my laptop.  This may be due to a quirk in the way I activated NumPad Commander.  The VoiceOver Getting Started Manual for Leopard actually indicated two ways of starting NumPad Commander.  One way was to go to VoiceOver Utility (VO-F8) and check the box to enable NumPad Commander.  The second way, listed in their table of VoiceOver commands in the Appendix, is to use VO-Clear from the numpad itself to turn NumPad Commander on or off.  When I used VO-Clear from the connected USB numpad, I found I could use the NumPad Commander functions while the check box on the VoiceOver Utility screen  remained unchecked.  I have Universal Access status showing in my status menu bar (option checked on the "Seeing" tab entry for System Preferences), because I do a lot of testing of features  such as "Mouse Keys" and "Zoom" mode interactions, and I need to check whether these features are on or off. According to that menu, my NumPad Commander is turned off.
> 
> There was a lot of discussion of the irony of removing the embedded numeric keypads in the MacBooks about the same time Leopard introduced NumPad Commander.  I wonder whether this feature is part of an attempt to address this?  From an accessibility point of view, using the key combination of arrow keys + (unshifted) number key functions would make a lot of sense, and would explain why these combinations work for the (unshifted) number keys on the French keyboard.  (Incidentally, the need to press the shift key to type numbers is yet another reason that I use a Canadian French keyboard instead of a regular French keyboard to input French text, along with the swapped "a" and "q" keys plus "w" and "z" keys.  I still remember that it was almost impossible to type in my password, which includes symbol keys, on a French keyboard.)
> 
> The other, less likely, way I might have enabled these key combinations is by using NumPad Commander from the screen of my iPod Touch. The program I would now use for this is "NumPad -- Wireless Numeric Keypad" ($2.99) by Edovia:
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/numpad-wireless-numeric-keypad/id297623436?mt=8
> 
> This program will correctly handled the NumPad Commander function combinations defined for use with modifier keys, such as the Command key. My earlier recommendation of "NumberKey" ($1.99) or "NumberKey Free" by  Balmuda Design LTD will work for unmodified key combinations.  However, that app requires you to download a desktop Number Key Connect program to use it, and it also has not been upgraded since before the OS 3.0 release.  It's fine if you just want to use it for numeric entry into spreadsheets, though I think there are more recent (including free) numeric keypad apps that will let you do that.
> 
> I have to admit that I haven't done much exploration with these numpad apps recently.  Chronologically, I was able to use Balmuda's NumberKey app on a friend's first generation iPod Touch before I even got my external USB numpad.  I was running Google searches to find a Mac compatible numpad, and turned up this $1.99 application.  Turning on VoiceOver's keyboard practice mode (VO-k) when the app is running lets you hear the keys that you touch announced.  Rubber bands across the first generation iPod Touch, and the fact that the numeric keypad layout is pretty close to a similar numeric keypad on your Mac, did the rest.
> 
> So, although I suspect that it was the USB connection to an external numpad that activated these keys, I've also used my MacBook with two different varieties of NumPad apps on my iPod Touch and turned NumPad Commander on.  I've activated NumPad Commander both from the keypad (VO-Clear, where the "Clear" key is on the numeric keypad) and by turning it on under VoiceOver utility (VO-F8).  And I've turned NumPad Commander on and off with the "Clear" key of both my external USB numpad and the numpad of the iPhone/iPod Touch apps.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello again,
>> 
>> Arrow key plus number key for Numpad Commander also works on Archie's 2010 MacBook Pro.
>> 
>> You have to be careful to use an arrow key that is not going to perform an action in the current circumstances. So, if you're at the bottom of a list, the Down arrow key would be the one to use.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 1:46 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Esther,
>>> 
>>> I turned Numpad Commander on to make the arrow keys plus number keys work for me. However, I have previously used an external Numpad with this MacBook, if only briefly.
>>> 
>>> This MacBook has a European keyboard, printed with the French AZERTY layout, though I have it set to British.
>>> 
>>> In Numpad Commander, I have no modifier key set. The commands are:
>>> 1 Item Chooser;
>>> 2 Move Down;
>>> 3 Unassigned;
>>> 4 Move Left;
>>> 5 Perform Action for Item;
>>> 6 Move Right;
>>> 7 Stop Interacting with Item;
>>> 8 Move Up;
>>> 9 Start Interacting with Item;
>>> Clear Go to Dock;
>>> = Go to Menu Bar;
>>> / Open Window Chooser;
>>> * Go to Desktop;
>>> - Open VoiceOver Help Menu;
>>> + Open Shortcut Menu;
>>> Enter Unassigned;
>>> . Escape.
>>> 
>>> Now here's something fascinating. The black MacBook I keep for demonstrations and teaching runs only in French with the French keyboard layout. The arrow keys plus lower case number keys works on there, too, as long as Numpad Commander is activated. This is really strange as on a French keyboard, you have to press the shift key to get the numbers.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 17, 2010, at 1:28 AM, Esther wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Gordon,
>>>> 
>>>> I agree about it unlikely to be differences in the keyboard layouts -- that might explain why keys outside the range of the simple number keys wouldn't work the same way, but not why those would not work.  I was genuinely surprised by the suggestion of holding down any arrow key and pressing a number key to get the Numpad Commander function, but it worked for me!
>>>> 
>>>> Here's the way my Numpad Commander is set to work without a modifer key:
>>>> 1 Last visible item
>>>> 2 Down
>>>> 3 Mouse to VoiceOver Cursor
>>>> 4 Left
>>>> 5 Click Mouse
>>>> 6 Right
>>>> 7 First visible item
>>>> 8 Up
>>>> 9 Item Chooser
>>>> clear Menubar
>>>> = Mouse down
>>>> / Mouse up
>>>> * Perform action
>>>> - Stop interacting with item
>>>> + Interact with item
>>>> . Escape
>>>> 
>>>> (No modifier key for these definitions)
>>>> 
>>>> I now remember that I assigned Mouse to VoiceOver cursor to the "3" key -- it's not set up that way in the "VoiceOver Getting Started Guide for Leopard" (since I keep a bookmark in Preview set to the Numpad Commander assignments section).  But I can hold down an arrow key and tap the "1" on the row of numbers to move to the last visible item, or tap the "9" key to bring up item chooser menu, etc.  The key settings for interacting and stop interacting were left the same.
>>>> 
>>>> I meant that perhaps it was my previously using the MacBook with Numpad Commander turned on, and either an attached USB numeric keypad and/or through using a Numeric Keypad app on my iPod Touch that may have made the difference.  I'll have to ask Anne whether she was using a laptop or a desktop keyboard when she tried the Numpad Commander sequences with arrow key and number keys from the top row of the keyboard.
>>>> 
>>>> Puzzling, but intriguing, since it works for me.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Esther
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Gordon Smith wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Esther
>>>>> 
>>>>> OK, I just turned on Numpad Commander and it still won't work.  I can try this on our 2007 MacBook, but it seems it doesn't work on the 2009 models of the MBP.  You could, of course, be right about the differences in keyboard layouts, but I don't think the US and UK keyboards are all that different.  Just one or two symbols located in different places.  So I'd be surprised.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gordon
>>>>> 
>>>>> Esther wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Gordon,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I wonder if you have to have once had Numpad commander enabled for your keyboard to recognize this? My laptop is even older than yours (Early 2008 MB -- the last model with Firewire before they switched to Unibody).  But at one time I connected a USB keypad to it to run Numpad commander.  I've also run Numpad Commander through a couple of programs on my iPod Touch, and have managed to get NumPad Commander functions to work using my iPod Touch as the Numeric keypad.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Even though Numpad Commander is not turned on right now, holding down any arrow key and pressing a key in the top row of numbers will give me the Numpad Commander sequence.  I'm pretty sure this worked for Anne, too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'll have to investigate this further.  Oh, and I mis-typed the command for stopping interacting (VO-Shift Up arrow). Another possibility is that because of the differences in U.K. and U.S. keyboards, only the actual number keys work with their Numpad Commander equivalent.  I'm also not sure whether I didn't customize my Numpad Commander settings from the default, but I'm pretty sure most of the keys are standard.  You can always check your own setting by going to VoiceOver Utility (VO-F8) and examining the table for the equivalents under Numpad.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Esther
>>>>> 
>>>>> Gordon Smith wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Esther
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On our mid-2009 MBP, those options don't seem to work.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 16 Apr 2010, at 21:29, Esther wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> OK, I'll redeem myself with a genuinely new find.  Someone on another list reported discovering that if you hold down any of the arrow keys and press one of the keys on the top row of numbers, you'll get the NumPad commander option for that key.  So, I've been trying out combinations like holding down the Left Arrow key with my thumb and tapping the "+" key with the middle finger of my right hand to interact (instead of VO-Shift-Down arrow), and tapping the "-" key to stop interacting, instead of VO-Shift-Down arrow. Other nice alternative options are holding down an arrow key and tapping the "3" key to route mouse cursor to VO cursor, and tapping the "1" key to move to last visible item.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't use a desktop Mac, so the Numpad Commander sequences don't come automatically to me.  I'm retraining my muscle memory <smile>.
>>>>> 
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Apr 19 09:50:00 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:50:00 +0100
Subject: Keyboard Shortcuts from Numpad Commander without
	a	Numpad	[was	Re: Spotlight Search Results]
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Hi Anne & Esther

I don't know what's changed here.  But I too can now replicate this.

To a point, at least.

If I sit the cursor at the top of a message, for example, then hit up arrow plus the number 1, I get the Item Chooser menu coming up.

Like Anne, I have to have numpad commander turned on for this to work, but I wouldn't ex[ect any other.

On 19 Apr 2010, at 08:56, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello Esther,

There has never been a numeric keypad connected to Archie's MacBook Pro, but Numpad Commander using arrow keys and top row numbers still works. We had to turn Numpad Commander on for it to work but that was all.

Interestingly, there is a major difference between US keyboards and European ones. US keyboards only have 78 keys, whereas European ones have 79. The extra key is located to the right of the left-hand shift key which itself is smaller than the right-hand one.


From gordon at mac-access.net  Mon Apr 19 12:19:44 2010
From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:19:44 +0100
Subject: Displays
Message-ID: <58886EAB-CBAB-4A1C-8DE6-0E6E3A21488F@mac-access.net>

Hi all

A question on the subject of monitors and displays again.,

As my better half has told the list recently, we now have a very high quality LED-based 22-inch high definition high resolution display which we managed to pick up at quite a good price.  It gives us amazing resolution, around 1800x1600 and it's perfectly legible even at that resolution.

Anyway, my question.  Currently, we have the monitor connected to one Mac Mini using the DVI adapter, as the monitor has both DVI and VGA inputs.nnWould there be any practical advantage in buying the mini display to DVI adapter I wonder?

I confess I'm not overly impressed by the ease with which that mini DVI adapter comes out of its socket.  The slightest knock seems to loosen it, as there's nothing to hold the connector in place.

I'm actually seriously thinking about getting a KVM switch, as we only have a single keyboard and mouse also which is annoying when we need to change machines.  Any recommendations?

Back in the days of serial and VGA I actually designed my own KVM, using buffered PIC logic.  But I wouldn't attempt that using what we have now, as it's far more sophisticated than just changing the state of lines from low to high state, which is all that my old switch really does.


Gordon



From tsiegel at softcon.us  Mon Apr 19 13:08:16 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:08:16 -0500
Subject: Displays
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Actually, you can tighten the adapter into the dvi port (if you're  
talking about the one that came with the mini)
It has small rotating (screws for lack of a better term) on the sides  
of the adapter, if you turn these the same way you would move a  
mousepad up/down, by rolling them left or right, you can tighten or  
loosen the adapter and make it stay in it's slot.  They're not very  
noticable, and for the longest time, I thought as you do that there  
was no way to make them stay, but I discovered these roll screws on  
the side of the adapter one day when I was just fiddling around with  
hooking it back up after my son had knocked it out of the back of the  
mini he and my daughter share for their games.
So, if you're using the adapter that came with the mini, check the  
sides of the adapter, you likely have these adjustment screws as well,  
and just didn't realize it.


From tsiegel at softcon.us  Mon Apr 19 13:21:39 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:21:39 -0500
Subject: Audio Hijack Pro something I've just discovered
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My memory is a bit fuzzy on this, but I believe Chris is referring to  
the fact that the sound flower plugin (which btw isn't required most  
of the time these days)
would reroute all your output, including voiceover causing vo not to  
speak if the soundflower plugin was activated and you had multiple  
input or output (don't remember which) because it would be redirected  
to the new output device, and therefore would no longer come out the  
earphone jack.
I'm fairly certain this was only an issue with tiger, and only with  
early versions of audio hijack.
As Dane has pointed out, this isn't a common problem these days,  
likely because the soundflower program is seldom needed what with the  
inclusion of most of the utilities directly into audio hijack now.   
Rogue amoeba makes them available on their web site still in case you  
need them, such as the line in program, but for 90 percent of your  
audio hijack usage, the additional plugins won't be necessary.
If you launch audio hijack before loading any programs you want to  
hijack, and if you setup your recording sessions in advance (I.E.  
prepare the record session before telling audio hijack to record, and  
have your audio hijack active before running any apps you want to  
hijack) then there's no need for third-party plugins at all.
The other apps simply make it easier touse audio hijack to do your  
work, but they're by no means a requirement.
It's well worth the 32 bucks for the pro version, or 16 for the  
regular version if that's all you want, but honestly, I'd urge the  
extra funds to get all of the pro features, as having the extra  
features is well worth the additional funds it takes to get them.
You won't be disappointed by this app, at least that much I can be  
sure of, so go ahead and register it.  It's a great app to have.

Now only if we could get quicktime to add some additional keystrokes  
to allow us to perform some additional functions we can't do by moving  
that silly graphical bar around, I'd be one happy camper. :)



On Apr 18, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> I must say, I thought I'd heard just about everything as far as  
> Audio Hijack was concerned but I have to hand it to you Christopher,  
> this is a completely new one! <smile>.
>
>>>
>>> On 18/04/2010, at 3:21 PM, Christopher Sims wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dane, Is there still an issue with the Soundflower plugin that  
>>>> can cause you to lose speach with Voiceover? This is one of the  
>>>> reasons that I haven't taken the gamble of buying it.
>>>> Christopher Sims

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Apr 19 13:24:37 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:24:37 +0100
Subject: Displays
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Hi Travis

I think you're confusing this with the old type.  The new type doesn't have those wheels.


On 19 Apr 2010, at 13:08, Travis Siegel wrote:

Actually, you can tighten the adapter into the dvi port (if you're talking about the one that came with the mini)
It has small rotating (screws for lack of a better term) on the sides of the adapter, if you turn these the same way you would move a mousepad up/down, by rolling them left or right, you can tighten or loosen the adapter and make it stay in it's slot.  They're not very noticable, and for the longest time, I thought as you do that there was no way to make them stay, but I discovered these roll screws on the side of the adapter one day when I was just fiddling around with hooking it back up after my son had knocked it out of the back of the mini he and my daughter share for their games.
So, if you're using the adapter that came with the mini, check the sides of the adapter, you likely have these adjustment screws as well, and just didn't realize it.

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From mike at busboom.at  Mon Apr 19 14:42:45 2010
From: mike at busboom.at (Michael Busboom)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:42:45 +0200
Subject: Frustrating IMAP issue
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Hello Gordon,

English is my mother tongue ... well, American is, but I am still 
confused about the syntax.

If I turn on "Don't keep copies of all messages," aren't messages going 
to be automatically erased from the server?

Actually, all of my received messages can be read on both computers.  
It's just the messages that I send that are not appearing in Mail's Sent 
Messages folder.  If I use Thunderbird's Move feature, I can place 
messages from the Thunderbird Sent folder into whatever folder I want, 
and they will suddenly show up on that same folder on the Mac.

Thanks for any thoughts and for your last suggestion, which I will 
implement.

Mike



On 2010-04-18 21:18, Gordon Smith wrote:
> Mike
>
> In Mail, and presumably Thunderbird supports this as well, make sure that, in the account's advanced properties, you turn on "Don't keep copies of all messages".  That will only download the headers of the message until you open the message.  That's what we do and it solves this issue nicely.
>
> Gordon
>
>
> On 18 Apr 2010, at 18:34, Michael Busboom wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> I am having a problem that is quite frustrating for me.
>
> For a lot of work-related projects, I have to use MS Windows.  My Windows e-mail client is Thunderbird.  On the Mac side, I use the Mail program that comes with Snow Leopard.  I have configured both Thunderbird and Mail to use IMAP.  This has worked fine for the past four months, ever since I started to go with this approach, actually.
>
> For the past few days, however, I have noticed that although all of the messages I leave in my "Sent" mailbox can be viewed with the Thunderbird client, none of them is visible when I go to the "Sent" mailbox using Mail.  Interestingly though, the messages suddenly reappear if I move them from the "Sent" mailbox to another mailbox.  They can then be viewed on both computers.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas about why this is occurring and how I can rectify the problem?
>
> Kindest regards,
>
> Mike
>
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From tsiegel at softcon.us  Mon Apr 19 15:49:41 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 09:49:41 -0500
Subject: Frustrating IMAP issue
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You need to go into the advanced settings of the account in question,  
then you'll find a whole list of options, and one of those is keep  
messages on server, and there's a list of mailboxes you can select to  
have the messages kept on the server or not.  One of these checkboxes  
is for sentmail.
I personally don't keep anything except incoming mail on the server,  
but that's why the options are there, so you can configure it to your  
liking.
Hope this helps.


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Apr 19 17:21:28 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:21:28 +0100
Subject: Frustrating IMAP issue
In-Reply-To: <4BCC5DD5.8010601@busboom.at>
References: <426E7A7D-5AAA-4D77-A6C6-E98C4C4F4B39@busboom.at>
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Mike

No, what that does is downloads the headers only and downloads the messages as you open them.


On 19 Apr 2010, at 14:42, Michael Busboom wrote:

Hello Gordon,

English is my mother tongue ... well, American is, but I am still confused about the syntax.

If I turn on "Don't keep copies of all messages," aren't messages going to be automatically erased from the server?

Actually, all of my received messages can be read on both computers.  It's just the messages that I send that are not appearing in Mail's Sent Messages folder.  If I use Thunderbird's Move feature, I can place messages from the Thunderbird Sent folder into whatever folder I want, and they will suddenly show up on that same folder on the Mac.

Thanks for any thoughts and for your last suggestion, which I will implement.

Mike



On 2010-04-18 21:18, Gordon Smith wrote:
> Mike
> 
> In Mail, and presumably Thunderbird supports this as well, make sure that, in the account's advanced properties, you turn on "Don't keep copies of all messages".  That will only download the headers of the message until you open the message.  That's what we do and it solves this issue nicely.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> On 18 Apr 2010, at 18:34, Michael Busboom wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I am having a problem that is quite frustrating for me.
> 
> For a lot of work-related projects, I have to use MS Windows.  My Windows e-mail client is Thunderbird.  On the Mac side, I use the Mail program that comes with Snow Leopard.  I have configured both Thunderbird and Mail to use IMAP.  This has worked fine for the past four months, ever since I started to go with this approach, actually.
> 
> For the past few days, however, I have noticed that although all of the messages I leave in my "Sent" mailbox can be viewed with the Thunderbird client, none of them is visible when I go to the "Sent" mailbox using Mail.  Interestingly though, the messages suddenly reappear if I move them from the "Sent" mailbox to another mailbox.  They can then be viewed on both computers.
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas about why this is occurring and how I can rectify the problem?
> 
> Kindest regards,
> 
> Mike
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Apr 19 17:22:25 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 17:22:25 +0100
Subject: Frustrating IMAP issue
In-Reply-To: <4B46DBD1-17D7-4599-97BA-F1C0970A794B@softcon.us>
References: <426E7A7D-5AAA-4D77-A6C6-E98C4C4F4B39@busboom.at>
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Travis

That optioon does not apply to iMap, it doesn't exist if you select IMAP.


On 19 Apr 2010, at 15:49, Travis Siegel wrote:

You need to go into the advanced settings of the account in question, then you'll find a whole list of options, and one of those is keep messages on server, and there's a list of mailboxes you can select to have the messages kept on the server or not.  One of these checkboxes is for sentmail.
I personally don't keep anything except incoming mail on the server, but that's why the options are there, so you can configure it to your liking.
Hope this helps.

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From tsiegel at softcon.us  Mon Apr 19 17:48:15 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:48:15 -0500
Subject: Frustrating IMAP issue
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On Apr 19, 2010, at 11:22 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Travis
>
> That optioon does not apply to iMap, it doesn't exist if you select  
> IMAP.
>

Sure it does, only I said to click on the wrong thing.
It's mailbox behavior, not advanced settings.
You'll find in the mailbox behavior tab such things as keep mail on  
server, number of days to keep deleted messages before deletion, store  
drafts on server, keep notes on server, and so on.
You can select any and all options you like to make your mailbox  
behave as desired, and that includes keeping sent mail on the server  
or not.
Sorry for the confusion.
>
> On 19 Apr 2010, at 15:49, Travis Siegel wrote:
>
> You need to go into the advanced settings of the account in  
> question, then you'll find a whole list of options, and one of those  
> is keep messages on server, and there's a list of mailboxes you can  
> select to have the messages kept on the server or not.  One of these  
> checkboxes is for sentmail.
> I personally don't keep anything except incoming mail on the server,  
> but that's why the options are there, so you can configure it to  
> your liking.
> Hope this helps.


From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk  Mon Apr 19 18:05:51 2010
From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:05:51 +0100
Subject: How can I delete a folder without moving it to the trash?
Message-ID: <044735B4-FD75-4361-9344-98EAC8DD2CA4@hopewell.org.uk>

Hello, 
As per a prior post I am having difficulty using MAC OS to copy files to an MP3 player, because the MP3 player does not like the hidden files and folders which MAC OS writes to it. I have been reluctantly using Windows under VMWare Fusion to do this. 
  
I recently came across the free utility tinkertool which lets you set various hidden preferences. One of the hidden finder options is the ability to display hidden files. I used this to look at the hidden files on my MP3 player and was able to delete them all except the .trashit folder. When I tried to delete this it very reasonably raised  an error saying that .trashit could not be moved to one of its sub-folders. 
  
Is there any way I could delete the trashit folder without moving it to the trash? If so I could get rid of all the hidden files and folders on my MP3 player and thereby avoid having to start Windows! 
  
I recall that on Windows you can press Control+Delete to delete a file or folder without moving it to the recycle bin. Is there anything like this on MAC OS? 
  
If I use the finder option to empty the trash while my MP3 player is still connected to MAC OS the trash is certainly emptied but alas the .trashit folder is still there, though empty, and the mere existence of this hidden folder upsets my MP3 player. 
  
Any suggestions?
  
Paul Hopewell 
hopewell at hopewell.org.uk

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Apr 19 18:45:18 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 18:45:18 +0100
Subject: Frustrating IMAP issue
In-Reply-To: <DE73F99B-3A0A-4951-A650-3CB452FD76E0@softcon.us>
References: <426E7A7D-5AAA-4D77-A6C6-E98C4C4F4B39@busboom.at>
	<2E75CC35-B9FC-4027-9C9F-E76F64F8E1AB@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Hi Travis

No, that option does not apply to IMAP.  It is replaced by "Don't keep copies of messages".  What that does is download the headers, but not the messages themselves until you open it.  Check, you'll see I'm right. :-)

Gordon

On 19 Apr 2010, at 17:48, Travis Siegel wrote:

Sure it does, only I said to click on the wrong thing.
It's mailbox behavior, not advanced settings.
You'll find in the mailbox behavior tab such things as keep mail on server, number of days to keep deleted messages before deletion, store drafts on server, keep notes on server, and so on.
You can select any and all options you like to make your mailbox behave as desired, and that includes keeping sent mail on the server or not.
Sorry for the confusion.


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri Apr 16 18:17:01 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 03:17:01 +1000
Subject: Spotlight, probably one of the most useful tools on a Mac?
Message-ID: <F8BDBE57-FBB8-47BD-8BE0-2D2206BF3AC4@internode.on.net>

Hi!

Just following up from Gordon's message regarding Spotlight, you can do more! than just searching for items on your Mac or network.  Suppose you have a quick calculation to make, open Spotlight and type in your calculation, Spotlight will launch the calculator and VO will read out the result of the calculation.

There was an extensive article on Spotlight in one of our local newspapers a few months ago and I commented on the article and the many useful Spotlight keyboard/mouse shortcuts the article mentioned and I think at the time other list members came forward with their own spotlight suggestions and other sources of reference material.



From support at tft-bbs.com  Tue Apr 20 07:57:10 2010
From: support at tft-bbs.com (Gordon & Lynne Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 07:57:10 +0100
Subject: Mailint List Website
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Hi all

For reference, I just got around to fixing the final updates to the TFT BBS Mailing Lists page.  It now properly reflects both the mac-access at mac-access.net list and request addresses, as well as the correct support address.

If you refer anybody to this list, for which we're always grateful, please send them to one of the below web pages:
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or:
http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/List-Portal.html
or:
http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/

The first 2 pages give an overview of the E-Mail lists we run, plus a detailed explanation of server commands by which to control your subscription options.

The final page is a direct list to the Mac-Access subscription and subscriber options page. We encourage users to use that method of subscription where possible because they are able to enter all of their user info, and also tweak their preferences.  For instance, a member may choose to select digest mode rather than regular mode for list traffic.

Thank you in advance for any referrals.

Gordon




From cjsims3000 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 11:45:06 2010
From: cjsims3000 at gmail.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 20:45:06 +1000
Subject: Audio Hijack Pro something I've just discovered
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Hi Dane, I'm smiling, and laughing also. Further to this. If your highjacking Itunes streams and also using your machine, does Voiceover get recorded? Thanks. 
Christopher Sims
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facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 

On 19/04/2010, at 2:05 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> I must say, I thought I'd heard just about everything as far as Audio Hijack was concerned but I have to hand it to you Christopher, this is a completely new one! <smile>.
> 
> 
> On 18/04/2010, at 7:33 PM, Christopher Sims wrote:
> 
>> Ok.  Thankyou for clearing that up.  
>> Christopher Sims
>> cjsims3000 at gmail.com
>> facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
>> skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 
>> 
>> On 18/04/2010, at 4:40 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>>> In the 4 years I've been using the product I've never ever had that problem and nor have I ever heard of anyone else having that problem so its complete news to me! <smile>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 18/04/2010, at 3:21 PM, Christopher Sims wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Dane, Is there still an issue with the Soundflower plugin that can cause you to lose speach with Voiceover? This is one of the reasons that I haven't taken the gamble of buying it. 
>>>> Christopher Sims
>>>> cjsims3000 at gmail.com
>>>> facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
>>>> skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 
>>>> 
>>>> On 17/04/2010, at 7:33 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Well I don't know who to give credit to for this but it seems that -f you're prepared to fiddle a bit - the Effects in Audio Hijack Pro are accessible.
>>>>> 
>>>>> For example, select the "Effects" tab and navigate to the Scroll area, Interact with this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Move the mouse to the scroll area with vo-command-f5 and click, a menu listing all the effects pops up, choose the one you want and press the return key.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Now to clear the effect? Go into the "Control" menu of Audio Hijack pro and select "Clear Effects".
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes, some problems still need to be addressed, you can't as far as I can tell adjust the effect or have more than one effect active at the same time - well at least you can't use Voiceover to accomplish these tasks - but perhaps if we keep gnawing away - as we have ben - at the developers then we'll continue to see improvements to what is an excellent product, Audio Hijack Pro is one of those products on the Mac that I myself couldn't do without as it can be put to so many uses, everything from Recording Skype and Ichat sessions to amplefying sound taken from the line-in of the Mac.
>>>>> 
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From cjsims3000 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 20 11:48:48 2010
From: cjsims3000 at gmail.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 20:48:48 +1000
Subject: Audio Hijack Pro something I've just discovered
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Thanks Travis, appreciated. 
Christopher Sims
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facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 

On 19/04/2010, at 10:21 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

> My memory is a bit fuzzy on this, but I believe Chris is referring to the fact that the sound flower plugin (which btw isn't required most of the time these days)
> would reroute all your output, including voiceover causing vo not to speak if the soundflower plugin was activated and you had multiple input or output (don't remember which) because it would be redirected to the new output device, and therefore would no longer come out the earphone jack.
> I'm fairly certain this was only an issue with tiger, and only with early versions of audio hijack.
> As Dane has pointed out, this isn't a common problem these days, likely because the soundflower program is seldom needed what with the inclusion of most of the utilities directly into audio hijack now.  Rogue amoeba makes them available on their web site still in case you need them, such as the line in program, but for 90 percent of your audio hijack usage, the additional plugins won't be necessary.
> If you launch audio hijack before loading any programs you want to hijack, and if you setup your recording sessions in advance (I.E. prepare the record session before telling audio hijack to record, and have your audio hijack active before running any apps you want to hijack) then there's no need for third-party plugins at all.
> The other apps simply make it easier touse audio hijack to do your work, but they're by no means a requirement.
> It's well worth the 32 bucks for the pro version, or 16 for the regular version if that's all you want, but honestly, I'd urge the extra funds to get all of the pro features, as having the extra features is well worth the additional funds it takes to get them.
> You won't be disappointed by this app, at least that much I can be sure of, so go ahead and register it.  It's a great app to have.
> 
> Now only if we could get quicktime to add some additional keystrokes to allow us to perform some additional functions we can't do by moving that silly graphical bar around, I'd be one happy camper. :)
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 18, 2010, at 11:05 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> I must say, I thought I'd heard just about everything as far as Audio Hijack was concerned but I have to hand it to you Christopher, this is a completely new one! <smile>.
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 18/04/2010, at 3:21 PM, Christopher Sims wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dane, Is there still an issue with the Soundflower plugin that can cause you to lose speach with Voiceover? This is one of the reasons that I haven't taken the gamble of buying it.
>>>>> Christopher Sims
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue Apr 20 12:36:39 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:36:39 +1000
Subject: Audio Hijack Pro something I've just discovered
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No it doesn't because you specifically set the output you want to be recorded, there is a way to record just Voiceover, can't remember what to do now but it can be done as I've recorded various voices with Voiceover for demo purposes as you know.


On 20/04/2010, at 8:45 PM, Christopher Sims wrote:

> Hi Dane, I'm smiling, and laughing also. Further to this. If your highjacking Itunes streams and also using your machine, does Voiceover get recorded? Thanks. 
> Christopher Sims
> cjsims3000 at gmail.com
> facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
> skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 
> 
> On 19/04/2010, at 2:05 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> I must say, I thought I'd heard just about everything as far as Audio Hijack was concerned but I have to hand it to you Christopher, this is a completely new one! <smile>.
>> 
>> 
>> On 18/04/2010, at 7:33 PM, Christopher Sims wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok.  Thankyou for clearing that up.  
>>> Christopher Sims
>>> cjsims3000 at gmail.com
>>> facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
>>> skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 
>>> 
>>> On 18/04/2010, at 4:40 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In the 4 years I've been using the product I've never ever had that problem and nor have I ever heard of anyone else having that problem so its complete news to me! <smile>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 18/04/2010, at 3:21 PM, Christopher Sims wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Dane, Is there still an issue with the Soundflower plugin that can cause you to lose speach with Voiceover? This is one of the reasons that I haven't taken the gamble of buying it. 
>>>>> Christopher Sims
>>>>> cjsims3000 at gmail.com
>>>>> facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
>>>>> skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 17/04/2010, at 7:33 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Well I don't know who to give credit to for this but it seems that -f you're prepared to fiddle a bit - the Effects in Audio Hijack Pro are accessible.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For example, select the "Effects" tab and navigate to the Scroll area, Interact with this.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Move the mouse to the scroll area with vo-command-f5 and click, a menu listing all the effects pops up, choose the one you want and press the return key.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Now to clear the effect? Go into the "Control" menu of Audio Hijack pro and select "Clear Effects".
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes, some problems still need to be addressed, you can't as far as I can tell adjust the effect or have more than one effect active at the same time - well at least you can't use Voiceover to accomplish these tasks - but perhaps if we keep gnawing away - as we have ben - at the developers then we'll continue to see improvements to what is an excellent product, Audio Hijack Pro is one of those products on the Mac that I myself couldn't do without as it can be put to so many uses, everything from Recording Skype and Ichat sessions to amplefying sound taken from the line-in of the Mac.
>>>>>> 
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From mike at busboom.at  Tue Apr 20 15:36:24 2010
From: mike at busboom.at (Michael Busboom)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:36:24 +0200
Subject: Spotlight, probably one of the most useful tools on a Mac?
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Hello Dane,

Is that article archived somewhere? I have a feeling that I could be 
getting a lot more out of Spotlight than I currently do.

Mike

On 2010-04-16 19:17, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Just following up from Gordon's message regarding Spotlight, you can do more! than just searching for items on your Mac or network.  Suppose you have a quick calculation to make, open Spotlight and type in your calculation, Spotlight will launch the calculator and VO will read out the result of the calculation.
>
> There was an extensive article on Spotlight in one of our local newspapers a few months ago and I commented on the article and the many useful Spotlight keyboard/mouse shortcuts the article mentioned and I think at the time other list members came forward with their own spotlight suggestions and other sources of reference material.
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Apr 20 19:57:42 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 19:57:42 +0100
Subject: Boot Camp Query
Message-ID: <7638479F-CE4E-4261-A617-C4571CF70F8C@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello all

Does anybody know whether there's a way to use an external hard drive instead of the default drive with Boot Camp for a Windows installation?

Lynne



From moriond at mac.com  Tue Apr 20 20:20:42 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:20:42 -1000
Subject: Boot Camp Query
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Hi Lynne,

I don't use Boot Camp, so this is just a passing suggestion.  If you  
wanted to use Boot Camp on an external hard drive, couldn't you switch  
to this drive the same way we do for a cloned drive?  That is, shut  
down your system, attach the bootable drive to either the USB port or  
to a FireWire port, and hold down the Option key when you power on the  
system.  Each valid, bootable partition that the system finds when  
your machine comes up should get displayed on the screen, and you  
should be able to select the partition you want to use, including the  
Boot Camp partition, by using your arrow keys.  I believe you could  
also configure the default order of drives to come up in your  
preferences settings, but it is always the internal Macintosh HD for  
your computer in the default settings.  Just my thoughts.

Cheers,

Esther

Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello all
>
> Does anybody know whether there's a way to use an external hard  
> drive instead of the default drive with Boot Camp for a Windows  
> installation?
>
> Lynne
>
>


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Apr 20 21:01:04 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:01:04 +0100
Subject: Boot Camp Query
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Hello Esther

On 20 Apr 2010, at 20:20, Esther wrote:

? I don't use Boot Camp, so this is just a passing suggestion.  If you wanted to use Boot Camp on an external hard drive, couldn't you switch to this drive the same way we do for a cloned drive?  That is, shut down your system, attach the bootable drive to either the USB port or to a FireWire port, and hold down the Option key when you power on the system.  Each valid, bootable partition that the system finds when your machine comes up should get displayed on the screen, and you should be able to select the partition you want to use, including the Boot Camp partition, by using your arrow keys.  I believe you could also configure the default order of drives to come up in your preferences settings, but it is always the internal Macintosh HD for your computer in the default settings.  Just my thoughts.

Funny you should say that actually Esther because Gordon's just asked me, when I mentioned this to him, "why do you need Boot Camp at all?"

Since I'm hoping to use an external hard drive, surely, Boot Camp isn't needed, so he says.  It should just work as a standard install and then all I need to do is install the Boot Camp drivers.

So yes, thank you; it seems I was looking so hard I was overlooking the obvious.

Lynne


From moriond at mac.com  Tue Apr 20 21:29:41 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:29:41 -1000
Subject: Speak It! app to use Infovox voices on the iPhone/iPod Touch and iPad
Message-ID: <9F3CC110-7098-48F6-B241-49E64170FA64@mac.com>

Hi All,

"Speak It!" is an app that lets you use the Acapela group's Infovox  
voices on the iPhone or iPod Touch, and supposedly also for the iPad,  
on text that you type or paste into the app, and create audio files  
with these voices that you can either play back or mail.  This is  
absolutely great, because you can control the speed and volume of the  
voices, and use voices that you may choose to purchase for other  
languages.  The basic app ($1.99) from Future Apps, Inc. comes with  
Heather (U.S.), Graham (U.K.), Lucy (U.K.), and Ryan (U.S.).  You can  
buy additional voices through in-app purchase for $0.99 each.  I've  
just finished downloading Alice (France) through the app (took about  
10 minutes to download and install).  There's a text entry area  (I  
copied and pasted what I wanted into it instead of typing it in), and  
a picker wheel at the bottom of the page to select the voice.

The screen when you start the app has two buttons at the top  
("Settings" at the left and an unlabeled button for info at the  
right), and three buttons at the bottom ("Speak It", "Actions", and an  
unlabeled button for saved items created as a result of using the  
"Actions" button). Below the top row of buttons is an area for text  
entry following the label: "Enter text to say" where you can either  
type in or paste in copied text. This is accessed in the usual way by  
double tapping in the text area to bring up the virtual keyboard.   
Below the text entry area and occupying the bottom section third or so  
of the screen is picker wheel labeled "Select Voice".

You'll likely want to double tap the "Settings" button at the top left  
of the screen to adjust the voice rate before you start speaking with  
the Speak It! voice. There are three settings options to adjust: Text  
font size (for low vision folks), Voice volume, and Voice rate.  Each  
control has both a button and a slider.  The button doesn't do  
anything except update to a number you can read off -- I think this is  
words per minute in the case of the rate.  When you make your  
adjustments flick left to get back from your settings to the "Done  
button" on the right edge (not quite at the top of the screen; maybe a  
fifth of the way down from the top of the screen in the vertical  
screen extent if you touch it directly) and double tap.

When you enter text, you have the option of either leaving the virtual  
keyboard up, and double tapping the "Speak It!" button, which has now  
moved up so it is just above the virtual keyboard and below the text  
entry area, at the left side of the center of the screen, or of first  
flicking right from the "Speak It!" button to the "Done" button at the  
right side of the center of the screen, and double tapping to dismiss  
the virtual keyboard.

The first mode is convenient when you want to review material  and  
continue to type in.  When you've finished entering text, you'll want  
to use the "Done" button to dismiss the virtual keyboard so you can  
also gain access to the "Actions" button for saving items, either as  
text or to create audio files, and to access the saved items (via the  
unlabeled button to the right of the "Actions" button) under either  
the list of  "Saved Phrases" or the "Saved Audio Files".  Double  
tapping one of the "Saved Audio Files"

To have Speak It! read the text, double tap the  "Speak It!" button at  
the bottom left.  Once you double tap that button, two buttons, the  
left for "Play/Pause" and the right for "Stop", will appear in the  
location of the "Speak It!" button.  You have to move your finger  
slightly to the left to double tap the "Play/Pause" button. Double  
tapping the "Stop" button causes the "Play/Pause" button to disappear,  
and for the area occupied by the "Play/Pause" button and "Stop" button  
to be replaced with the "Speak It!" button.

As mentioned before there are two unlabeled buttons: one at the top  
right and one at the bottom right corner for saved items.  The button  
at the top right, that you will use to purchase new in-app voices,  
takes you to an Info screen where there is a Help button at the top  
left that gives you information about trouble-shooting issues with  
Speak It!, and where the first listed button is the "Speak It! Store"  
button, which you can use to purchase additional voices. (The also  
have buttons further down the list for their other applications, but  
you probably don't want to leave the app to find out about these or  
buy them when you're first setting up Speak It!.)  The additional  
Acapela group voices currently available for this app are for (U.K. or  
U.S.) English, French (including a Canadian French voice), German,  
Spanish (including an American Spanish voice), and Italian.

Miscellaneous other comments:  Just after downloading the Alice French  
voice I found VoiceOver's behavior a bit sluggish. There are various  
suggestions on their FAQ (reached from "Help" button via the unlabeled  
button  to the "Info" page) about possibly deleting the app, shutting  
down and restarting the iPhone/iPod Touch, and then downloading and  
installing updates for the app through iTunes on your computer if this  
happens (you will not be charged again).  I didn't have to do any of  
this, but I did restart my iPod Touch.  There may be practical limits  
on the size and number of voice recordings and saved phrase files you  
can keep.  I haven't used the app often enough to tell.  I did notice  
that when I saved longer files (130,000 words -- novella length) that  
sometime buttons would simply click and not get announced when I  
navigated the control pages quickly.  I'd also guess that saving and  
emailing lengthy audio files may also take up memory resources of the  
iPhone and affect VoiceOver performance.  The audio files are AIFF --  
not compressed, and the default format for Macs.  They'll play in  
Windows iTunes, and on your iPhone, but maybe not in other Windows  
apps without conversion to a compressed format.  They can also get  
quite large, so do some judicious experimenting on small scales before  
you get carried away.  Low vision users will like the ability to save  
these phrases in large font text.  This app is also supposed to be  
universal binary and work on the iPad, too.  If you have listened to  
the Infovox voices from the Assistiveware page and downloaded the  
trial (for the Mac) at:
http://www.assistiveware.com/ivoxsamples.php
you'll probably have a much better feeling for what these voices sound  
like, particularly speeded up, than trying out the same voices at the  
in-app purchase store.  Some list users will also like the fact that  
male English voices are available.  I typically don't try to run these  
voices as fast as the regular voices for the iPhone/iPod Touch.  As  
Brett has mentioned previously, when you set rates over 90 per cent  
for the English language voices, and you don't use the default U.S.  
voice, you're likely to experience some dropped bits of speech.  This  
is not the only app that uses the Infovox voices for text to speech.   
Anne recommended the "Read 2 Me" app ($4.99) by Retinal Media.  I'll  
have to explore the latest update, because they have recently added  
adjustable voice speed (yay!) and Google Docs importing, along with  
larger file support, and appears to be less buggy.  But the "Speak  
It!" app has support for other language voices.

FutureApps, the developer of Speak It!, also has translation apps that  
use these voices. It's possible that some of the other languages from  
their iSpeak series that are demoed on their web site will also make  
it into Speak It!  (e.g., Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, and Polish).   
Here's the FutureApps URL:
http://www.future-apps.net/

? Speak It! Text to Speech ($1.99) by FutureApps is available  
internationally at the iTunes Store:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/speak-it-text-to-speech/id308629295?mt=8
Comes with 4 U.S. and U.K. English Infovox voices. Additional voices  
(currently in English, French, Italian, German, and Spanish) may be  
purchased for $0.99/each via in-app purchase.  This app is universal  
binary, and also works for the iPad.

? Read 2 Me ($4.99) by Retinal Media:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/read-2-me/id313752154?mt=8
English only Infovox voices, and also universal binary to work with  
the iPad.  New features of variable voice speed, Google Docs  
importing, and more.

Cheers,

Esther

From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Apr 21 07:45:58 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 07:45:58 +0100
Subject: Speak It! app to use Infovox voices on the iPhone/iPod Touch and
	iPad
In-Reply-To: <9F3CC110-7098-48F6-B241-49E64170FA64@mac.com>
References: <9F3CC110-7098-48F6-B241-49E64170FA64@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E5CBA7D5-8C56-4FC4-88E6-4FDABA0A5C72@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Esther

Wow! Does this work with VoiceOver on iPhone? If so, I'm off to get it for Gordon!



From moriond at mac.com  Wed Apr 21 08:09:54 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 21:09:54 -1000
Subject: Speak It! app to use Infovox voices on the iPhone/iPod Touch and
	iPad
In-Reply-To: <E5CBA7D5-8C56-4FC4-88E6-4FDABA0A5C72@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <9F3CC110-7098-48F6-B241-49E64170FA64@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <827D2050-8B20-4009-8A09-620E95619388@mac.com>

Hi Lynne,

No, unless Apple adds support for separate voices for VoiceOver on the  
iPhone, this voice will only work for text to speech within the Speak  
It! application.  Getting voices to function well within system wide  
apps is more challenging than getting voices to do text to speech  
transcription.  If you limited VoiceOver functionality on the iPhone,  
then you might be able to just use voices for straight text to  
speech.  But VoiceOver is built into everything.  This does mean,  
though, that Gordon can listen to his beloved Lucy voice read text  
that is pasted into the app.  It also means that low-vision readers  
can same text in font sizes that are larger than the standard notes  
apps, and that you can create audio files with these voices on the  
iPhone and iPod Touch and mail them.  These are uncompressed (AIFF)  
files, so you'll hit a maximum size for mail attachments.

HTH.

Cheers,

Esther

Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Esther
>
> Wow! Does this work with VoiceOver on iPhone? If so, I'm off to get  
> it for Gordon!
>

From cjsims3000 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 08:16:49 2010
From: cjsims3000 at gmail.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 17:16:49 +1000
Subject: Audio Hijack Pro something I've just discovered
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Thanks for this.  
Christopher Sims
cjsims3000 at gmail.com
facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 

On 20/04/2010, at 9:36 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> No it doesn't because you specifically set the output you want to be recorded, there is a way to record just Voiceover, can't remember what to do now but it can be done as I've recorded various voices with Voiceover for demo purposes as you know.
> 
> 
> On 20/04/2010, at 8:45 PM, Christopher Sims wrote:
> 
>> Hi Dane, I'm smiling, and laughing also. Further to this. If your highjacking Itunes streams and also using your machine, does Voiceover get recorded? Thanks. 
>> Christopher Sims
>> cjsims3000 at gmail.com
>> facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
>> skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 
>> 
>> On 19/04/2010, at 2:05 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>>> I must say, I thought I'd heard just about everything as far as Audio Hijack was concerned but I have to hand it to you Christopher, this is a completely new one! <smile>.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 18/04/2010, at 7:33 PM, Christopher Sims wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Ok.  Thankyou for clearing that up.  
>>>> Christopher Sims
>>>> cjsims3000 at gmail.com
>>>> facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
>>>> skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 
>>>> 
>>>> On 18/04/2010, at 4:40 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> In the 4 years I've been using the product I've never ever had that problem and nor have I ever heard of anyone else having that problem so its complete news to me! <smile>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 18/04/2010, at 3:21 PM, Christopher Sims wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dane, Is there still an issue with the Soundflower plugin that can cause you to lose speach with Voiceover? This is one of the reasons that I haven't taken the gamble of buying it. 
>>>>>> Christopher Sims
>>>>>> cjsims3000 at gmail.com
>>>>>> facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
>>>>>> skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 17/04/2010, at 7:33 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Well I don't know who to give credit to for this but it seems that -f you're prepared to fiddle a bit - the Effects in Audio Hijack Pro are accessible.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> For example, select the "Effects" tab and navigate to the Scroll area, Interact with this.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Move the mouse to the scroll area with vo-command-f5 and click, a menu listing all the effects pops up, choose the one you want and press the return key.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Now to clear the effect? Go into the "Control" menu of Audio Hijack pro and select "Clear Effects".
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Yes, some problems still need to be addressed, you can't as far as I can tell adjust the effect or have more than one effect active at the same time - well at least you can't use Voiceover to accomplish these tasks - but perhaps if we keep gnawing away - as we have ben - at the developers then we'll continue to see improvements to what is an excellent product, Audio Hijack Pro is one of those products on the Mac that I myself couldn't do without as it can be put to so many uses, everything from Recording Skype and Ichat sessions to amplefying sound taken from the line-in of the Mac.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Apr 21 09:08:44 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 09:08:44 +0100
Subject: Speak It! app to use Infovox voices on the iPhone/iPod Touch and
	iPad
In-Reply-To: <827D2050-8B20-4009-8A09-620E95619388@mac.com>
References: <9F3CC110-7098-48F6-B241-49E64170FA64@mac.com>
	<E5CBA7D5-8C56-4FC4-88E6-4FDABA0A5C72@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<827D2050-8B20-4009-8A09-620E95619388@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E89789AA-244D-401C-B9EE-5A877CDE8B3C@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Esther

Actually, Gordon has a new girlfriend these days; Rachel. :-)

I think it's probably still worth the buying though, at that price.

I asked because, a while ago, Systemware told us that they couldn't support the voices for the same reasons you stated so I thought I'd clarify.

Thank you.

Lynne


From tsiegel at softcon.us  Wed Apr 21 21:17:23 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:17:23 -0500
Subject: How can I delete a folder without moving it to the trash?
In-Reply-To: <044735B4-FD75-4361-9344-98EAC8DD2CA4@hopewell.org.uk>
References: <044735B4-FD75-4361-9344-98EAC8DD2CA4@hopewell.org.uk>
Message-ID: <3C49AEE7-0399-416F-B471-45F487DFA312@softcon.us>

You'll need two commands here.
In the terminal, you'll need to change to the folder that is your mp3  
player.
You can do this by highlighting the mp3 player in finder, hitting  
command-c to copy the folder, then opening a terminal, and typing:
cd
followed by the command-v command to paste in the path of the mp3  
player.
Press enter, and you will be in the root of the mp3 player on your mac.
You can of course type the whole cd command manually, but since some  
mp3 players have odd names, and spaces may exist in the folder name,  
it's easier for non command-line jockies to just use the copy and  
paste method.
Once you're in the folder in question, typing ls -a will show *all*  
files in the folder, including quote hidden unquote folders The hyphen  
and the a must be typped after the ls, and after a space character.   
The a must be lower case, or ls will think you mean something else.
Once that's done, you'll find all files and folders, including those  
that start with a period.  These are the ones macos consideres hidden.
If it's a file (in your case it isn't, but just for reference) simply  
type:
rm .filename
and the offending file will magically disappear, and no trash will be  
involved.
Be sure you're removing the proper file, because there is no undo here.
If the offending entry in question is a folder, you'll need to use the  
rmdir command.
rmdir .folder

That will remove an empty folder from the mp3 player.
However, if the folder has files in it (such as the .trashes folder)  
or subdirectories, you'll need to do this:
rmdir -R .folder
The dash r is a capital letter R again, just for reference, as a  
lowercase r won't do the job.
Now, the offending folder and all files/subfolders will be removed,  
again, with no chance for retrieval (at least not via normal means)

That should do it for you.  If you have further issues/problems, do  
let me know, and I'll assist where needed.
Btw, you can copy and paste in terminal as well, so if the filename is  
too long, or has untypable characters, a copy/paste of the filename  
will do the job nicely, with the caveat that if the filename contains  
spaces, you'll need to enclose it in double quotes to get it to work  
properly.
Hth.


From tsiegel at softcon.us  Wed Apr 21 21:23:44 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:23:44 -0500
Subject: Frustrating IMAP issue
In-Reply-To: <A4D73894-2015-4C30-B1C5-6F5E9D0E7270@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <426E7A7D-5AAA-4D77-A6C6-E98C4C4F4B39@busboom.at>
	<2E75CC35-B9FC-4027-9C9F-E76F64F8E1AB@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<4BCC5DD5.8010601@busboom.at>
	<4B46DBD1-17D7-4599-97BA-F1C0970A794B@softcon.us>
	<41B230DB-C8F4-49C3-85AD-0C2E85579D1E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <0F30C986-9A4A-47BB-9E38-0BC7CB86A77B@softcon.us>

The original question was about sent-messages, not incoming mail.
I personally keep local copies of everything, but most folks don't  
desire the extra disk space this requires to be used, so don't use  
this option, but the option is there, as Gordon pointed out, you can  
keep messages on server or not, but for all other options such as  
ToDo, sent messages, drafts, junk mail, and the various mailboxes mail  
creates by default, you can mark each one to be kept on the imap  
server or not, it's all up to you, so configure it however you like.


On Apr 19, 2010, at 12:45 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Travis
>
> No, that option does not apply to IMAP.  It is replaced by "Don't  
> keep copies of messages".  What that does is download the headers,  
> but not the messages themselves until you open it.  Check, you'll  
> see I'm right. :-)
>
> Gordon
>
> On 19 Apr 2010, at 17:48, Travis Siegel wrote:
>
> Sure it does, only I said to click on the wrong thing.
> It's mailbox behavior, not advanced settings.
> You'll find in the mailbox behavior tab such things as keep mail on  
> server, number of days to keep deleted messages before deletion,  
> store drafts on server, keep notes on server, and so on.
> You can select any and all options you like to make your mailbox  
> behave as desired, and that includes keeping sent mail on the server  
> or not.
> Sorry for the confusion.
>
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Apr 21 22:16:54 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 22:16:54 +0100
Subject: Frustrating IMAP issue
In-Reply-To: <0F30C986-9A4A-47BB-9E38-0BC7CB86A77B@softcon.us>
References: <426E7A7D-5AAA-4D77-A6C6-E98C4C4F4B39@busboom.at>
	<2E75CC35-B9FC-4027-9C9F-E76F64F8E1AB@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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	<0F30C986-9A4A-47BB-9E38-0BC7CB86A77B@softcon.us>
Message-ID: <BECD0363-A22D-4300-8813-C85FC3EB8AA8@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Travis

Yes, that's my point exactly. You actually have more control than you do with POP3 when you use IMAP. You can keep what you don't want and not. I personally delete sent messages when I quit mail. I also only download the headers of incoming messages so that the body is downloaded when I hit enter or reply to a message.

In our case, our network connections to the server, even though we're using 2 distinctly different IP trunks, are very vast and so you don't know that the download is in fact happening when you open a message. It's instant.

Gordon


On 21 Apr 2010, at 21:23, Travis Siegel wrote:

The original question was about sent-messages, not incoming mail.
I personally keep local copies of everything, but most folks don't desire the extra disk space this requires to be used, so don't use this option, but the option is there, as Gordon pointed out, you can keep messages on server or not, but for all other options such as ToDo, sent messages, drafts, junk mail, and the various mailboxes mail creates by default, you can mark each one to be kept on the imap server or not, it's all up to you, so configure it however you like.


On Apr 19, 2010, at 12:45 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Travis
> 
> No, that option does not apply to IMAP.  It is replaced by "Don't keep copies of messages".  What that does is download the headers, but not the messages themselves until you open it.  Check, you'll see I'm right. :-)
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 19 Apr 2010, at 17:48, Travis Siegel wrote:
> 
> Sure it does, only I said to click on the wrong thing.
> It's mailbox behavior, not advanced settings.
> You'll find in the mailbox behavior tab such things as keep mail on server, number of days to keep deleted messages before deletion, store drafts on server, keep notes on server, and so on.
> You can select any and all options you like to make your mailbox behave as desired, and that includes keeping sent mail on the server or not.
> Sorry for the confusion.
> 
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> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu Apr 22 00:15:20 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 00:15:20 +0100
Subject: Boot Camp
Message-ID: <84FC8B81-2A26-476D-B238-FDD0883E4E69@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

Is there a way of changing the default hard drive that Boot Camp uses to an external drive for a Widows installation? I have tried just doing a boot from the Windows CD and selecting the drive in the partitions menu. I set the drive up as FAT32 partitioned with the partition type set to MBR which I think is right for Windows.

But by default, Gordon tells me, Windows will only boot from the primary hard drive in the system unless a computer ios is set to use the slave drive.

Since in this case there is no bios and we'd like to use a USB drive, Windows just refuses to let me boot from it.

Therefore, it seems, the only way is to use Boot Camp. But I don't see any way to change the hard drive, it only wants to let me partition the internal drive.

Since our internal drives are all case sensitive OSX Journaled drives, Boot Camp won't partition it.

Lynne



From cjsims3000 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 19:26:54 2010
From: cjsims3000 at gmail.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 04:26:54 +1000
Subject: How can I delete a folder without moving it to the trash?
In-Reply-To: <3C49AEE7-0399-416F-B471-45F487DFA312@softcon.us>
References: <044735B4-FD75-4361-9344-98EAC8DD2CA4@hopewell.org.uk>
	<3C49AEE7-0399-416F-B471-45F487DFA312@softcon.us>
Message-ID: <14D100A5-294A-4358-AAF2-DC7C44CFE1A4@gmail.com>

Thanks for that explanation.  I just had a look at that message character by character.  You mentioned that you had to put a . infront of the file name?  What about if the file that your removing contains this character? Thanks. 
Christopher Sims
cjsims3000 at gmail.com
facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 

On 22/04/2010, at 6:17 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:

> You'll need two commands here.
> In the terminal, you'll need to change to the folder that is your mp3 player.
> You can do this by highlighting the mp3 player in finder, hitting command-c to copy the folder, then opening a terminal, and typing:
> cd
> followed by the command-v command to paste in the path of the mp3 player.
> Press enter, and you will be in the root of the mp3 player on your mac.
> You can of course type the whole cd command manually, but since some mp3 players have odd names, and spaces may exist in the folder name, it's easier for non command-line jockies to just use the copy and paste method.
> Once you're in the folder in question, typing ls -a will show *all* files in the folder, including quote hidden unquote folders The hyphen and the a must be typped after the ls, and after a space character.  The a must be lower case, or ls will think you mean something else.
> Once that's done, you'll find all files and folders, including those that start with a period.  These are the ones macos consideres hidden.
> If it's a file (in your case it isn't, but just for reference) simply type:
> rm .filename
> and the offending file will magically disappear, and no trash will be involved.
> Be sure you're removing the proper file, because there is no undo here.
> If the offending entry in question is a folder, you'll need to use the rmdir command.
> rmdir .folder
> 
> That will remove an empty folder from the mp3 player.
> However, if the folder has files in it (such as the .trashes folder) or subdirectories, you'll need to do this:
> rmdir -R .folder
> The dash r is a capital letter R again, just for reference, as a lowercase r won't do the job.
> Now, the offending folder and all files/subfolders will be removed, again, with no chance for retrieval (at least not via normal means)
> 
> That should do it for you.  If you have further issues/problems, do let me know, and I'll assist where needed.
> Btw, you can copy and paste in terminal as well, so if the filename is too long, or has untypable characters, a copy/paste of the filename will do the job nicely, with the caveat that if the filename contains spaces, you'll need to enclose it in double quotes to get it to work properly.
> Hth.
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From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk  Thu Apr 22 19:35:16 2010
From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:35:16 +0100
Subject: How can I delete a folder without moving it to the trash?
In-Reply-To: <3C49AEE7-0399-416F-B471-45F487DFA312@softcon.us>
References: <044735B4-FD75-4361-9344-98EAC8DD2CA4@hopewell.org.uk>
	<3C49AEE7-0399-416F-B471-45F487DFA312@softcon.us>
Message-ID: <99F954F4-7F5D-41A4-8BB1-57166441F9B0@hopewell.org.uk>

HI Travis, 
Many thanks for that. The terminal command did the job and I can now update the MP3 player without having to start Windows! I used to use the command line prompt a bit in Windows and the MAC terminal facility is similar. It is nice being able to use copy and paste to set up file and folder names in terminal.
Many thanks for pointing me to this useful facility. 
  
Paul Hopewell 

From Frank.Ventura at littlebreezes.com  Fri Apr 23 17:04:17 2010
From: Frank.Ventura at littlebreezes.com (Frank Ventura)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 12:04:17 -0400
Subject: Boot Camp Query
Message-ID: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB06CA80@mail.mail.breezes.local>

Hi Lynnm, sounds like a plan. What format did you use for the external drive and did you format it on the Mac or PC? Where are the boot camp drivers available from?
thanks
Frank



-----Original Message-----
From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net on behalf of Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
Sent: Tue 4/20/2010 4:01 PM
To: Mac OSX, iPhone OS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Boot Camp Query
 
Hello Esther

On 20 Apr 2010, at 20:20, Esther wrote:

. I don't use Boot Camp, so this is just a passing suggestion.  If you wanted to use Boot Camp on an external hard drive, couldn't you switch to this drive the same way we do for a cloned drive?  That is, shut down your system, attach the bootable drive to either the USB port or to a FireWire port, and hold down the Option key when you power on the system.  Each valid, bootable partition that the system finds when your machine comes up should get displayed on the screen, and you should be able to select the partition you want to use, including the Boot Camp partition, by using your arrow keys.  I believe you could also configure the default order of drives to come up in your preferences settings, but it is always the internal Macintosh HD for your computer in the default settings.  Just my thoughts.

Funny you should say that actually Esther because Gordon's just asked me, when I mentioned this to him, "why do you need Boot Camp at all?"

Since I'm hoping to use an external hard drive, surely, Boot Camp isn't needed, so he says.  It should just work as a standard install and then all I need to do is install the Boot Camp drivers.

So yes, thank you; it seems I was looking so hard I was overlooking the obvious.

Lynne

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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri Apr 23 20:00:54 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 05:00:54 +1000
Subject: Google Plans Free Turn-by-Turn Navigation for iphone
Message-ID: <601F4B60-4317-496F-8CBC-B1E7C8B2A302@internode.on.net>

Could this article mean that I needn't use Navigon for the Iphone for too much longer? We'll see <smile>.  According to the article what Google has in mind should be perfectly accessible minus the visual maps.


http://www.lioncourt.com/2010/04/23/google-plans-free-turn-by-turn-navigation-for-iphone/


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Apr 23 22:43:45 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 22:43:45 +0100
Subject: Boot Camp Query
In-Reply-To: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB06CA80@mail.mail.breezes.local>
References: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB06CA80@mail.mail.breezes.local>
Message-ID: <CD4E8EF5-2723-4CC1-95B1-0DC7EE159107@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Frank

On 23 Apr 2010, at 17:04, Frank Ventura wrote:

Hi Lynnm, sounds like a plan. What format did you use for the external drive and did you format it on the Mac or PC? Where are the boot camp drivers available from?
thanks

The drive was formatted as a FAT32 partition, with a MBR partition type. That's exactly what Windows uses. Or, should I say, it can use that. The fact that I formatted the drive using the Mac should make no difference whatsoever. It's a viable Windows formatted drive.

It seems that Windows will only install on the first, primary drive in the system and that's why you need Boot Camp/

You can start looking for the Boot Camp 3.1 update at http://www.apple.com/support/bootcamp/ but be advised you need 3.0 installed from the OSX disks or via a download before you apply the update into Windows.

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sat Apr 24 09:31:55 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 18:31:55 +1000
Subject: Setting an Ipod Nano 4G back to English
Message-ID: <B2589B12-61EE-431B-887A-88EF46FBAA07@internode.on.net>

Hi!

Quite some time ago - long before the archive was established, someone posted some instructions on setting a Forth Generation Ipod Nano back to English, would they mind repeating the process please?

Also, what's the difference between the forth and fifth generation Ipod and is it worth upgrading?

I have 2 Ipod Forth Generation models here, an 8GB and a 16GB though the 8GB is going to find a home with my Sister on Tuesday - lucky girl! <smile> - and I'm thinking about getting rid of the 16GB version and upgrading to something else.



From moriond at mac.com  Sat Apr 24 18:02:31 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:02:31 -1000
Subject: Setting an Ipod Nano 4G back to English
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References: <B2589B12-61EE-431B-887A-88EF46FBAA07@internode.on.net>
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Hi Dane,

You wrote:

> Quite some time ago - long before the archive was established,  
> someone posted some instructions on setting a Forth Generation Ipod  
> Nano back to English, would they mind repeating the process please?

I'll paste in the old instructions at the end of this post.

> Also, what's the difference between the forth and fifth generation  
> Ipod and is it worth upgrading?
>
> I have 2 Ipod Forth Generation models here, an 8GB and a 16GB though  
> the 8GB is going to find a home with my Sister on Tuesday - lucky  
> girl! <smile> - and I'm thinking about getting rid of the 16GB  
> version and upgrading to something else.

You can read the iLounge review of the 5G Nano:
http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mobile/reviews/apple-inc.-ipod-nano-fifth-generation/
It added an FM tuner and microphone, and a pedometer, but there were  
some concerns about build quality and the click wheel was made  
slightly smaller.  I think the Voices use the Shuffle's selection, so  
you don't need a separate voice for a non-English language, but you  
also don't get to select the voice you want the Nano to use.  Maybe  
somebody else on list who has a 5G Nano can say.

Here are the instructions:

> Hi Dane,
>
> If you've just restored the Nano 4G, try the following to reset to  
> English:
>
> 1.Press the menu (12 o'clock position of the click wheel) 3 or 4  
> times to make sure you're at the top level menu.
> 2.Scroll clockwise all the way down to the end (that's 6 clicks down  
> from the top, if you start at the first "Music" menu and you don't  
> have a track currently playing).
> 3. Scroll back 1 click counter-clockwise to reach the "Settings"  
> menu (that's also 5 clicks down from the top, when you scroll  
> clockwise).
> 4. Press the "Select" button at the center of the wheel to go to the  
> "Settings" menu.
> 5. Scroll clockwise all the way down to the bottom (that's also 8  
> clicks clockwise down from the top) to reach the "Reset Settings"  
> button.
> 6. Press the "Select" button at the center of the wheel to go to the  
> "Reset Settings" option.
> 7. The default selection here is "Cancel". You want to scroll up  
> (counter-clockwise) 1 click to "Reset".  There's only one click you  
> can move up.
> 8. Press the "Select" button at the center of the wheel to "Reset"
> 9. OK, here's the key point.  Reset takes you to the Languages  
> setting.  Scroll all the way up (Counterclockwaise).  That's English  
> (US).
> 10.Press the "Select" button at the center of the wheel.
>
You should be back at the Main menu (Music, etc.) with your language  
set to English.  I just went through this to check on my own Nano 4G.   
Let me know if there are problems.

Just in case anyone needs to know, here are the Language options for  
the iPod Nano 4G in the order that they appear on the (unspoken)  
Language menu that is listed under "Settings" (item number 7 is  
"Language"), and on the same Language menu that appears when you  
choose the "Reset" option under the "Reset Settings" menu (where  
"Reset Settings" is the last item -- number 9 -- under the "Settings"  
menu).

1. English (US)
2. English (UK)
3. Japanese
4. Czech
5. Danish
6. German
7. Spanish
8. French
9. Greek
10. Italian
11. Hungarian
12. Dutch
13. Norwegian
14. Portuguese
15. Russian
16. Polish
17. Finnish
18. Swedish
19. Turkish
20. Korean
21. Simplified Chinese
22. Traditional Chinese

Note that these are English renditions of the listed languages.  In  
some cases, such as Japanese, Chinese, Greek, Russian, and Korean, the  
words do not even appear with Roman letters.  I assume that is the  
reason why the language entries are not spoken, apart from the fact  
that the non-English names for these languages would not be correctly  
pronounced even for those languages that use Roman letters.

Cheers,

Esther


From tsiegel at softcon.us  Sun Apr 25 17:47:05 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 11:47:05 -0500
Subject: How can I delete a folder without moving it to the trash?
In-Reply-To: <14D100A5-294A-4358-AAF2-DC7C44CFE1A4@gmail.com>
References: <044735B4-FD75-4361-9344-98EAC8DD2CA4@hopewell.org.uk>
	<3C49AEE7-0399-416F-B471-45F487DFA312@softcon.us>
	<14D100A5-294A-4358-AAF2-DC7C44CFE1A4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EF8B7F7C-803E-4DDC-B8BD-EDD32260C4A3@softcon.us>


On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Christopher Sims wrote:

> Thanks for that explanation.  I just had a look at that message  
> character by character.  You mentioned that you had to put a .  
> infront of the file name?  What about if the file that your removing  
> contains this character? Thanks.

Chris, the preceeding dot is necessary, because the folder in question  
*does* have the period as part of it's filename.
If the file in question had no period in front, then you would not  
need to include it.
Hope this helps.


From support at tft-bbs.com  Sun Apr 25 21:43:07 2010
From: support at tft-bbs.com (Gordon & Lynne Smith)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:43:07 +0100
Subject: Just a reminder if anybody is interested
Message-ID: <62E7CFF2-A862-4E76-954D-5BE42DCA74EB@tft-bbs.com>

Hi all

Just a remind if anybody would like them.  We are now in a position to offer free and virtually unrestricted (quota-free) E-Mail addresses if anybody would like them under the following domains:

mac-access.net, (part of the Mac Accessibility Network).
tft-bbs.co.uk
tft-bbs.com
tft-bbs.net
tft-bbs.org
tft-bbs.org.uk
or, if we already host a top level domain for you, you may request as many addresses as you need.

We can also offer free personal web hosting and very reasonably priced commercial web space.  Please contact us for details.

Sorry folks about the off-topic ad, we promise this is a one-off. :-)

Gordon


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun Apr 25 22:29:12 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:29:12 +0100
Subject: Audible.com books
Message-ID: <7F5D2768-1431-4D43-ACF3-83B272B4934C@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

Forgive the seemingly silly question. I just bought an audiobook from audible.con for Gordon. I'm downloading it now and I see the file has an .aa extension. What kind of file is this and can he play it in iTunes as was my understanding?

Thank you.

Lynne



From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun Apr 25 22:59:21 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:59:21 +0100
Subject: Audible.com
Message-ID: <AAF8C6E6-5B65-4622-9AC4-6A4A2B452BDA@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

Please disregard my previous message on this subject. I've figured it out for myself which, I suppose, I should have done before posting. :D

Lynne, off to crawl under a rock somewhere hopefully, well hidden.



From cjsims3000 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 26 04:19:53 2010
From: cjsims3000 at gmail.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:19:53 +1000
Subject: How can I delete a folder without moving it to the trash?
In-Reply-To: <EF8B7F7C-803E-4DDC-B8BD-EDD32260C4A3@softcon.us>
References: <044735B4-FD75-4361-9344-98EAC8DD2CA4@hopewell.org.uk>
	<3C49AEE7-0399-416F-B471-45F487DFA312@softcon.us>
	<14D100A5-294A-4358-AAF2-DC7C44CFE1A4@gmail.com>
	<EF8B7F7C-803E-4DDC-B8BD-EDD32260C4A3@softcon.us>
Message-ID: <19D1C466-7259-4A5F-A08B-EF97DD3C80A0@gmail.com>

Thanks for clearing that up.
Christopher Sims
cjsims3000 at gmail.com
facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 

On 26/04/2010, at 2:47 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:

> 
> On Apr 22, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Christopher Sims wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for that explanation.  I just had a look at that message character by character.  You mentioned that you had to put a . infront of the file name?  What about if the file that your removing contains this character? Thanks.
> 
> Chris, the preceeding dot is necessary, because the folder in question *does* have the period as part of it's filename.
> If the file in question had no period in front, then you would not need to include it.
> Hope this helps.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
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From tsiegel at softcon.com  Mon Apr 26 04:20:46 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:20:46 -0500
Subject: Audible.com books
In-Reply-To: <7F5D2768-1431-4D43-ACF3-83B272B4934C@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <7F5D2768-1431-4D43-ACF3-83B272B4934C@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AF86BD19-A166-4806-8CCE-5205F541D8D9@softcon.com>


On Apr 25, 2010, at 4:29 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
>
> I'm downloading it now and I see the file has an .aa extension. What  
> kind of file is this and can he play it in iTunes as was my  
> understanding?

These books are a standard mp3 file with an audible proprietary header  
tacked onto the start.
They will play in itunes, (though there used to be an audible plugin  
required to allow them to play, this got fixed several versions ago)
You should have no trouble loading them into itunes and playing them  
as normal.
You will have to authorize your itunes program to allow the playing of  
these files, and itunes will prompt you to do this when you first try  
to open one.
After that, you should be all set, then the only time you'll need to  
mess with authorization is when moving to another computer, or when  
you need to deauthorize itunes on a particular computer to give you  
another install elsewhere.  I'm fairly certain the authorization count  
is 5, so having up to 5simultaneous authorized computers/ipods/iphones/ 
whatever is fine.
Hope this helps.

Interestingly enough,  you'll find some of the audio books available  
in the itunes store are from audible as well, but do not require the  
audible authorization to make them work (go figure)


From tsiegel at softcon.us  Mon Apr 26 04:35:20 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:35:20 -0500
Subject: Another neat trick with finder and hiding files
Message-ID: <0C7494E1-7707-4BB6-B60A-A211D95004C9@softcon.us>

Here's a neat trick I ran across a few minutes ago (yes, I tested it)
Apparently, in panther )osx 10.3) there was a feature where you could  
add folders to a file in the root folder, and those folders would then  
not be shown in finder.
You of course can still get to them in terminal, and I suspect you can  
use the goto (didn't test this) to go to the folders in question, but  
while browsing, those folders will not show up in the finder at all.
Simply create a plain text file in your root folder called .hidden  
(that's the word hidden preceeded by a period)
Simply place any folder names you don't wish to show up in finder in  
the .hidden file (one per line) and restart finder, then those folders  
will no longer be shown when you navigate to their parent folders in  
finder.
Thought folks would find this tip useful for whatever reason you like :)
I don't know about 10.6, but it works in both 10.4 and 10.5, and my  
guess is it will continue to work in the future, simply because  
there's no reason to remove it.
Enjoy.


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Apr 26 10:20:43 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:20:43 +0100
Subject: Another neat trick with finder and hiding files
In-Reply-To: <0C7494E1-7707-4BB6-B60A-A211D95004C9@softcon.us>
References: <0C7494E1-7707-4BB6-B60A-A211D95004C9@softcon.us>
Message-ID: <666D78CF-84DC-4762-B42A-945485E9E400@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Travis

This is a really good one.  I can think of a thousand uses for it.  Thanks.

I'm guessing that, like most other files of this attribute, the IOS will treat these as system files.

Gordon

On 26 Apr 2010, at 04:35, Travis Siegel wrote:

Here's a neat trick I ran across a few minutes ago (yes, I tested it)
Apparently, in panther )osx 10.3) there was a feature where you could add folders to a file in the root folder, and those folders would then not be shown in finder.
You of course can still get to them in terminal, and I suspect you can use the goto (didn't test this) to go to the folders in question, but while browsing, those folders will not show up in the finder at all.
Simply create a plain text file in your root folder called .hidden (that's the word hidden preceeded by a period)
Simply place any folder names you don't wish to show up in finder in the .hidden file (one per line) and restart finder, then those folders will no longer be shown when you navigate to their parent folders in finder.
Thought folks would find this tip useful for whatever reason you like :)
I don't know about 10.6, but it works in both 10.4 and 10.5, and my guess is it will continue to work in the future, simply because there's no reason to remove it.

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Apr 26 10:24:29 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:24:29 +0100
Subject: Audible.com books
In-Reply-To: <AF86BD19-A166-4806-8CCE-5205F541D8D9@softcon.com>
References: <7F5D2768-1431-4D43-ACF3-83B272B4934C@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<AF86BD19-A166-4806-8CCE-5205F541D8D9@softcon.com>
Message-ID: <2A8DA107-7267-466C-825C-411A40E325C4@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Travis

Lynne did, I think, figure this one out for herself last night. I was asleep when she posted the original but I wish I'd been able to tell her before she did so what was going on.

Apparently you can burn these audio books to CD although I'm a little puzzled as to how this works if, for instance, your book is in excess of 79 minutes in length which, most likely, it will be.

Gordon


On 26 Apr 2010, at 04:20, Travis Siegel wrote:

These books are a standard mp3 file with an audible proprietary header tacked onto the start.
They will play in itunes, (though there used to be an audible plugin required to allow them to play, this got fixed several versions ago)
You should have no trouble loading them into itunes and playing them as normal.
You will have to authorize your itunes program to allow the playing of these files, and itunes will prompt you to do this when you first try to open one.
After that, you should be all set, then the only time you'll need to mess with authorization is when moving to another computer, or when you need to deauthorize itunes on a particular computer to give you another install elsewhere.  I'm fairly certain the authorization count is 5, so having up to 5simultaneous authorized computers/ipods/iphones/whatever is fine.


From renee at zeli.net  Mon Apr 26 11:03:27 2010
From: renee at zeli.net (Renee)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 05:03:27 -0500
Subject: Another neat trick with finder and hiding files
In-Reply-To: <666D78CF-84DC-4762-B42A-945485E9E400@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <0C7494E1-7707-4BB6-B60A-A211D95004C9@softcon.us>
	<666D78CF-84DC-4762-B42A-945485E9E400@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <48197335-5832-4230-9EF4-EDC066D93F82@zeli.net>

What is the purpose of doing this? Why would you want  to make life  
harder

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 26, 2010, at 4:20 AM, Gordon Smith <gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Travis
>
> This is a really good one.  I can think of a thousand uses for it.   
> Thanks.
>
> I'm guessing that, like most other files of this attribute, the IOS  
> will treat these as system files.
>
> Gordon
>
> On 26 Apr 2010, at 04:35, Travis Siegel wrote:
>
> Here's a neat trick I ran across a few minutes ago (yes, I tested it)
> Apparently, in panther )osx 10.3) there was a feature where you  
> could add folders to a file in the root folder, and those folders  
> would then not be shown in finder.
> You of course can still get to them in terminal, and I suspect you  
> can use the goto (didn't test this) to go to the folders in  
> question, but while browsing, those folders will not show up in the  
> finder at all.
> Simply create a plain text file in your root folder called .hidden  
> (that's the word hidden preceeded by a period)
> Simply place any folder names you don't wish to show up in finder in  
> the .hidden file (one per line) and restart finder, then those  
> folders will no longer be shown when you navigate to their parent  
> folders in finder.
> Thought folks would find this tip useful for whatever reason you  
> like :)
> I don't know about 10.6, but it works in both 10.4 and 10.5, and my  
> guess is it will continue to work in the future, simply because  
> there's no reason to remove it.
> _______________________________________________
>
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
>
> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010  
> to the Mac-Access forum at:
> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
>
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> virus and worm-free!
>
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Apr 26 13:57:36 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:57:36 +0100
Subject: Another neat trick with finder and hiding files
In-Reply-To: <48197335-5832-4230-9EF4-EDC066D93F82@zeli.net>
References: <0C7494E1-7707-4BB6-B60A-A211D95004C9@softcon.us>
	<666D78CF-84DC-4762-B42A-945485E9E400@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<48197335-5832-4230-9EF4-EDC066D93F82@zeli.net>
Message-ID: <D1B2F941-F69E-49D6-9932-76B466AE0110@tft-bbs.co.uk>

It doesn't make life harder Renee.  It can be used, for instance, to protect files that you don't want at risk of accidental deletion.

On 26 Apr 2010, at 11:03, Renee wrote:

What is the purpose of doing this? Why would you want  to make life harder


From tsiegel at softcon.us  Mon Apr 26 14:03:39 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 08:03:39 -0500
Subject: Audible.com books
In-Reply-To: <2A8DA107-7267-466C-825C-411A40E325C4@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <7F5D2768-1431-4D43-ACF3-83B272B4934C@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<AF86BD19-A166-4806-8CCE-5205F541D8D9@softcon.com>
	<2A8DA107-7267-466C-825C-411A40E325C4@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AD7534F3-6CE5-480D-A870-5E24CB865438@softcon.us>

Oh gosh, the audible cd burning method is the worst I've ever seen.
What it does, is to fit as much as it possibly can onto the first cd,  
then prompts you to change cds.  It then backs up a minute or two, and  
burns the next 74 minutes of audio on that cd, and so forth until it's  
done.
It makes absolutely no provision as to where chapter marks are, end of  
track indicators or anything else.
I have used this to get my audible books back into nonproprietary  
formats though.
Burn the audible book, rip it back, edit the mp3 file to make it break  
at proper locations, cut out the junk the burn process inserted, and  
poof, a nice clean nonproprietary copy of the book that will play on  
your standard mp3 player (such as my book corier, which otherwise  
isn't possible, because it doesn't use itunes for it's audio playback.
Quite the hassle, but it works, so I guess it's not all bad.


On Apr 26, 2010, at 4:24 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

>
> Apparently you can burn these audio books to CD although I'm a  
> little puzzled as to how this works if, for instance, your book is  
> in excess of 79 minutes in length which, most likely, it will be.
>


From tsiegel at softcon.us  Mon Apr 26 14:15:05 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 08:15:05 -0500
Subject: Another neat trick with finder and hiding files
In-Reply-To: <666D78CF-84DC-4762-B42A-945485E9E400@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <0C7494E1-7707-4BB6-B60A-A211D95004C9@softcon.us>
	<666D78CF-84DC-4762-B42A-945485E9E400@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2B4BA60B-D639-4140-82BF-6F0415EDEB86@softcon.us>

Yeah, it actually does treat the files as system files.  In fact, I've  
discovered that the system actually marks several files as system  
files as well, and that's why they don't show up in finder.
Another tip I ran across while searching for how to fix finder to not  
show stuff was the fact that you can run the program manually to  
correct any/all permissions.  It's on the install cd, and is in the  
OsInstall..mpkg file, copy the file from the contents/resources folder  
of that package called SetHidden.
The data file that  goes with this program is called hidden_MacOS9 and  
is located in the same folder as the program.
You can copy this program to your main disk, so that you can execute  
it whenever you like to fix permissions on system files.
I'd imagine (though I'm positive apple wouldn't recommend it) that you  
could add your own files to this data file, to have them treated as  
system files as well).
You'd run the program like this:
SetHidden / hidden_MacOS9
This will then correct all the system attributes on your system,  
especially after you perform a file system restore, if you used file  
copy instead of a block copy as is possible with such utilities as  
carbon copy cloner, and others.
Not something the average user should ever need to do, but there it  
is, in case it's ever necessary.
Hth.
On Apr 26, 2010, at 4:20 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Travis
>
> This is a really good one.  I can think of a thousand uses for it.   
> Thanks.
>
> I'm guessing that, like most other files of this attribute, the IOS  
> will treat these as system files.
>
> Gordon
>
> On 26 Apr 2010, at 04:35, Travis Siegel wrote:
>
> Here's a neat trick I ran across a few minutes ago (yes, I tested it)
> Apparently, in panther )osx 10.3) there was a feature where you  
> could add folders to a file in the root folder, and those folders  
> would then not be shown in finder.
> You of course can still get to them in terminal, and I suspect you  
> can use the goto (didn't test this) to go to the folders in  
> question, but while browsing, those folders will not show up in the  
> finder at all.
> Simply create a plain text file in your root folder called .hidden  
> (that's the word hidden preceeded by a period)
> Simply place any folder names you don't wish to show up in finder in  
> the .hidden file (one per line) and restart finder, then those  
> folders will no longer be shown when you navigate to their parent  
> folders in finder.
> Thought folks would find this tip useful for whatever reason you  
> like :)
> I don't know about 10.6, but it works in both 10.4 and 10.5, and my  
> guess is it will continue to work in the future, simply because  
> there's no reason to remove it.
> _______________________________________________
>
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
>
> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010  
> to the Mac-Access forum at:
> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
>
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> virus and worm-free!
>
> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by  
> visiting the list website at:
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From tsiegel at softcon.us  Mon Apr 26 14:18:22 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 08:18:22 -0500
Subject: Another neat trick with finder and hiding files
In-Reply-To: <48197335-5832-4230-9EF4-EDC066D93F82@zeli.net>
References: <0C7494E1-7707-4BB6-B60A-A211D95004C9@softcon.us>
	<666D78CF-84DC-4762-B42A-945485E9E400@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<48197335-5832-4230-9EF4-EDC066D93F82@zeli.net>
Message-ID: <D98F46C0-02D7-4169-8780-7029374D9EA2@softcon.us>

It doesn't make things harder if you're a system admin, and you're  
trying to keep users out of places they don't belong.  Sure, you could  
do it with permissions and groups, but most folks aren't all that  
conversant on how groups and unix permissions work, and the gui tools  
for doing this type of work are less than adequate for the job.  This  
provides a nice simple way to make entire sections of your backups, or  
any truly non-public areas of your disk off limits to users who would  
only become confused by seeing stuff they don't recognize, or even to  
prevent snoops from getting at stuff they aren't supposed to see,  
among other things.


On Apr 26, 2010, at 5:03 AM, Renee wrote:

> What is the purpose of doing this? Why would you want  to make life  
> harder
>
> Sent from my iPhone


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Apr 26 15:06:02 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 15:06:02 +0100
Subject: Another neat trick with finder and hiding files
In-Reply-To: <D98F46C0-02D7-4169-8780-7029374D9EA2@softcon.us>
References: <0C7494E1-7707-4BB6-B60A-A211D95004C9@softcon.us>
	<666D78CF-84DC-4762-B42A-945485E9E400@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<48197335-5832-4230-9EF4-EDC066D93F82@zeli.net>
	<D98F46C0-02D7-4169-8780-7029374D9EA2@softcon.us>
Message-ID: <DD25297F-E336-4C38-AF55-86DA46B71667@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Travis

I totally and utterly agree with you.  I guess Renee was only looking at this from the perspective of a system user, rather than an admin and, in that context, it's understandable.

Gordon


On 26 Apr 2010, at 14:18, Travis Siegel wrote:

It doesn't make things harder if you're a system admin, and you're trying to keep users out of places they don't belong.  Sure, you could do it with permissions and groups, but most folks aren't all that conversant on how groups and unix permissions work, and the gui tools for doing this type of work are less than adequate for the job.  This provides a nice simple way to make entire sections of your backups, or any truly non-public areas of your disk off limits to users who would only become confused by seeing stuff they don't recognize, or even to prevent snoops from getting at stuff they aren't supposed to see, among other things.


On Apr 26, 2010, at 5:03 AM, Renee wrote:

> What is the purpose of doing this? Why would you want  to make life harder
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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From renee at zeli.net  Mon Apr 26 19:04:49 2010
From: renee at zeli.net (Renee)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:04:49 -0500
Subject: Another neat trick with finder and hiding files
In-Reply-To: <D1B2F941-F69E-49D6-9932-76B466AE0110@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <0C7494E1-7707-4BB6-B60A-A211D95004C9@softcon.us>
	<666D78CF-84DC-4762-B42A-945485E9E400@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<48197335-5832-4230-9EF4-EDC066D93F82@zeli.net>
	<D1B2F941-F69E-49D6-9932-76B466AE0110@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Tom is trying to expllllain this zoncept i  am used to using paswords  
which I do not know how to create on apple in finder

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 26, 2010, at 7:57 AM, Gordon Smith <gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk> wrote:

> It doesn't make life harder Renee.  It can be used, for instance, to  
> protect files that you don't want at risk of accidental deletion.
>
> On 26 Apr 2010, at 11:03, Renee wrote:
>
> What is the purpose of doing this? Why would you want  to make life  
> harder
>
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From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk  Mon Apr 26 21:53:37 2010
From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 21:53:37 +0100
Subject: Does Safari suport Java Script? 
Message-ID: <AC30A60E-0637-4114-8374-F4C22658F0B9@hopewell.org.uk>

Hello, 
I am having problems trying to book a train ticket with 
www.nationalrail.co.uk 
  
I find this site very confusing so tried it both on MAC OS using Voice Over with Safari and on Windows under VMWare fusion using WindowEyes with both Fire fox and Internet Explorer. The performance on Safari was fine -the problem was just the complication of the web site. But on Windows the performance was truly dreadful making the site unusable. 
  
So I submitted a bug to GWMicro who advised me that the problem was the site writing text a character at a time like a ticker tape. They say that one undesirable solution is to disable Java Script. 
  
As the performance on Safari was so much better I now wonder whether this is because Safari does not support Java Script at all or maybe it supports Java Script in a much better way than WindowEyes. If Safari does not yet support Java Script but plans to do so in the future then I wonder how it would cope with this web site. 
  
Any thoughts? 
  
Paul Hopewell 
hopewell at hopewell.org.uk

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Apr 26 22:26:13 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:26:13 +0100
Subject: Does Safari suport Java Script? 
In-Reply-To: <AC30A60E-0637-4114-8374-F4C22658F0B9@hopewell.org.uk>
References: <AC30A60E-0637-4114-8374-F4C22658F0B9@hopewell.org.uk>
Message-ID: <0F421E27-ACD7-46C2-B18F-31D5DFC35384@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Safari does support Javascript.


On 26 Apr 2010, at 21:53, Paul Hopewell wrote:

Hello, 
I am having problems trying to book a train ticket with 
www.nationalrail.co.uk 

I find this site very confusing so tried it both on MAC OS using Voice Over with Safari and on Windows under VMWare fusion using WindowEyes with both Fire fox and Internet Explorer. The performance on Safari was fine -the problem was just the complication of the web site. But on Windows the performance was truly dreadful making the site unusable. 

So I submitted a bug to GWMicro who advised me that the problem was the site writing text a character at a time like a ticker tape. They say that one undesirable solution is to disable Java Script. 

As the performance on Safari was so much better I now wonder whether this is because Safari does not support Java Script at all or maybe it supports Java Script in a much better way than WindowEyes. If Safari does not yet support Java Script but plans to do so in the future then I wonder how it would cope with this web site. 

Any thoughts? 

Paul Hopewell 
hopewell at hopewell.org.uk
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From moriond at mac.com  Mon Apr 26 22:27:33 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 17:27:33 -0400
Subject: Does Safari suport Java Script?
In-Reply-To: <AC30A60E-0637-4114-8374-F4C22658F0B9@hopewell.org.uk>
References: <AC30A60E-0637-4114-8374-F4C22658F0B9@hopewell.org.uk>
Message-ID: <657FF97E-A80F-4B94-BA62-6501D17D42A8@mac.com>

Hi Paul,

Try using the Kizoom.mobi site instead for your planning.  There was a  
recent discussion about accessibility of the nationalrail iPhone app  
(which will be fixed in the next version).  If you had an iPhone or  
iPod Touch, I would advise you to use the "Train Search" app from  
Cross Country trains.  However, since you're using Safari, I know  
Kizoom.mobi works for planning. I don't know whether you can buy your  
ticket, but the route planning works.  (I'm on travel now, so I'll  
paste in my post to the viphone list about Kizoom.mobi, in case that  
helps.  The developer for the nationalrail app came on list to fix his  
iPhone app after this post, so the new version that goes in for the  
iPhone will be accessible even though the current version is not.)

<begin quote>
For UK rail travel planning, try using the kizoom.mobi site from your  
iPhone via Safari.  This site seems to be fully accessible.  Double  
tap the "Plan a trip" button, then type in your source and destination  
stations in the text boxes for "To:" and "From:"  Use the "Next" (and  
"Previous") buttons on the virtual keyboard as a convenient way to  
move to the next (previous) fields for data entry, and the "Done"  
button when you want to dismiss the virtual keyboard. These buttons  
are all along the top of the virtual keyboard. However, once you have  
entered values for your first planning session, the "Recent" button  
below each text field for source or destination will let you view and  
select from a list of previously input values (e.g., from previous  
travel planning sessions), and can be a convenient alternative to text  
entry. There are buttons you can toggle on or off before "Departing"  
and "Arriving" in connection with setting your planned travel times.   
(I think the default is set to "Departing" on.)  The travel date is  
set with a pop up button that sends you to a picker item.  The time is  
input in a text field.  Seems to work pretty well and let you adjust  
routes, see last and first trains, etc.  I'm not in the UK, so I can't  
test this extensively.
<end quote>

HTH

Cheers,

Esther

Paul Hopewell wrote:

> Hello,
> I am having problems trying to book a train ticket with
> www.nationalrail.co.uk
>
> I find this site very confusing so tried it both on MAC OS using  
> Voice Over with Safari and on Windows under VMWare fusion using  
> WindowEyes with both Fire fox and Internet Explorer. The performance  
> on Safari was fine -the problem was just the complication of the web  
> site. But on Windows the performance was truly dreadful making the  
> site unusable.
>
> So I submitted a bug to GWMicro who advised me that the problem was  
> the site writing text a character at a time like a ticker tape. They  
> say that one undesirable solution is to disable Java Script.
>
> As the performance on Safari was so much better I now wonder whether  
> this is because Safari does not support Java Script at all or maybe  
> it supports Java Script in a much better way than WindowEyes. If  
> Safari does not yet support Java Script but plans to do so in the  
> future then I wonder how it would cope with this web site.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Paul Hopewell
> hopewell at hopewell.org.uk


From n0oxy at charter.net  Tue Apr 27 04:22:57 2010
From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:22:57 -0500
Subject: Does Safari suport Java Script? 
In-Reply-To: <AC30A60E-0637-4114-8374-F4C22658F0B9@hopewell.org.uk>
References: <AC30A60E-0637-4114-8374-F4C22658F0B9@hopewell.org.uk>
Message-ID: <99E780EA-D57C-47A6-AD99-331032F7D05A@charter.net>

Hi, safari supports java script just fine, you can disable it, but there is little reason to do that, and most sites these days use it.
On Apr 26, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote:

> Hello, 
> I am having problems trying to book a train ticket with 
> www.nationalrail.co.uk 
> 
> I find this site very confusing so tried it both on MAC OS using Voice Over with Safari and on Windows under VMWare fusion using WindowEyes with both Fire fox and Internet Explorer. The performance on Safari was fine -the problem was just the complication of the web site. But on Windows the performance was truly dreadful making the site unusable. 
> 
> So I submitted a bug to GWMicro who advised me that the problem was the site writing text a character at a time like a ticker tape. They say that one undesirable solution is to disable Java Script. 
> 
> As the performance on Safari was so much better I now wonder whether this is because Safari does not support Java Script at all or maybe it supports Java Script in a much better way than WindowEyes. If Safari does not yet support Java Script but plans to do so in the future then I wonder how it would cope with this web site. 
> 
> Any thoughts? 
> 
> Paul Hopewell 
> hopewell at hopewell.org.uk
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Apr 27 18:32:41 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 18:32:41 +0100
Subject: Anybody using Boot Camp?
Message-ID: <5C927705-3D7E-49B8-B092-5124B6676F83@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

Anybody using Boot Camp on list?  I've tried several times today to install XP under BC.  The partitioning goes fine and the first part of the installation goes well.  But on the second restart I get a "disk error" and it won't go any  further.

I actually also tried installing in native mode by literally zapping OSZ from the machine temporarily and partitioning the drive as an MBR partition with a FAT32 format and then install Windows.  I got a similar error but figured there might be hardware protection or something on the drive.

But now, after the Boot Camp Windows installation failed as well, I'm starting to wonder.

Gordon



From tsiegel at softcon.us  Tue Apr 27 23:03:26 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 17:03:26 -0500
Subject: Anybody using Boot Camp?
In-Reply-To: <5C927705-3D7E-49B8-B092-5124B6676F83@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <5C927705-3D7E-49B8-B092-5124B6676F83@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <03B714FF-0BB3-4D73-8231-43DD218BB03D@softcon.us>

I no longer have it on my machines, but I did have bootcamp installed  
on both my mac mini, and my macbook.  Both had no problems with the  
bootcamp install.
I've since removed the windows file systems from my drives, but while  
I had it installed, there were no issues.
It's possible though that you need to use bootcamp 3.1, since a lot  
has been fixed/updated/changed in that regard, the last version I used  
was 2.01 or something similar.
hth.

On Apr 27, 2010, at 12:32 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Anybody using Boot Camp on list?  I've tried several times today to  
> install XP under BC.  The partitioning goes fine and the first part  
> of the installation goes well.  But on the second restart I get a  
> "disk error" and it won't go any  further.
>
> I actually also tried installing in native mode by literally zapping  
> OSZ from the machine temporarily and partitioning the drive as an  
> MBR partition with a FAT32 format and then install Windows.  I got a  
> similar error but figured there might be hardware protection or  
> something on the drive.
>
> But now, after the Boot Camp Windows installation failed as well,  
> I'm starting to wonder.
>
> Gordon
>
>
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Apr 27 23:24:34 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 23:24:34 +0100
Subject: Anybody using Boot Camp?
In-Reply-To: <03B714FF-0BB3-4D73-8231-43DD218BB03D@softcon.us>
References: <5C927705-3D7E-49B8-B092-5124B6676F83@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<03B714FF-0BB3-4D73-8231-43DD218BB03D@softcon.us>
Message-ID: <C33AADB1-DDD4-4EF2-A145-B0192A416807@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Travis

We did actually get the 3.1 update.  But, before you can install it, you have to install 3.0.  I haven't seen a 3.1 Mac Application, as in BootCamp Assistant, only the 32 and 64 bit Windows drives.

We don't even get to the stage of installing the drivers, since halfway through the Windows installation process we get that disk error.  This has happened on 2 different MacBook Pro and MacBook machines respectively both running Snow Leopard 10.6.3 and I'm wondering whether something is broken in that OS update as far as Boot Camp is concerned.

Gordon


On 27 Apr 2010, at 23:03, Travis Siegel wrote:

I no longer have it on my machines, but I did have bootcamp installed on both my mac mini, and my macbook.  Both had no problems with the bootcamp install.
I've since removed the windows file systems from my drives, but while I had it installed, there were no issues.
It's possible though that you need to use bootcamp 3.1, since a lot has been fixed/updated/changed in that regard, the last version I used was 2.01 or something similar.

From n0oxy at charter.net  Wed Apr 28 03:43:11 2010
From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 21:43:11 -0500
Subject: mac mini without a monitor
In-Reply-To: <5C927705-3D7E-49B8-B092-5124B6676F83@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <5C927705-3D7E-49B8-B092-5124B6676F83@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <EE20DDCB-6EBE-4A2E-8D70-B6C7477DC695@charter.net>

Hi everyone. I've heard this debated back and forth quite a bit, so I'm trying to find out for sure. Is there any way to run the current mac mini models without a monitor? I know with the older models, like the one I have, you can connect the adapter that allows you to connect to a TV, but this doesn't work on the newest mini models. A friend of mine has a new mini, and will need to take it places where a monitor may not be available. She bought the mini DVI to VGA adapter, but connecting that still doesn't remove all the busy messages, and it also seems to cause fusion to lock up at times. I've heard that connecting this adapter should do the trick, and I've also heard something about some kind of null adapter. So, is there any way around this with the newest mini models? If not, she may need to sell the mini and get a mac book, but she would rather not do that if she can avoid it.

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Apr 28 09:45:01 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:45:01 +0100
Subject: mac mini without a monitor
In-Reply-To: <EE20DDCB-6EBE-4A2E-8D70-B6C7477DC695@charter.net>
References: <5C927705-3D7E-49B8-B092-5124B6676F83@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<EE20DDCB-6EBE-4A2E-8D70-B6C7477DC695@charter.net>
Message-ID: <8EC62BAD-B041-41C7-89DC-73A574987542@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Mike

No, you cannot do this any longer.  We did it for a while with the server edition, but that was "fixed" by Apple.  So no, you cannot do it.

Gordon


On 28 Apr 2010, at 03:43, Mike Arrigo wrote:

Hi everyone. I've heard this debated back and forth quite a bit, so I'm trying to find out for sure. Is there any way to run the current mac mini models without a monitor? I know with the older models, like the one I have, you can connect the adapter that allows you to connect to a TV, but this doesn't work on the newest mini models. A friend of mine has a new mini, and will need to take it places where a monitor may not be available. She bought the mini DVI to VGA adapter, but connecting that still doesn't remove all the busy messages, and it also seems to cause fusion to lock up at times. I've heard that connecting this adapter should do the trick, and I've also heard something about some kind of null adapter. So, is there any way around this with the newest mini models? If not, she may need to sell the mini and get a mac book, but she would rather not do that if she can avoid it.
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From gordonkeen at googlemail.com  Wed Apr 28 09:42:42 2010
From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 09:42:42 +0100
Subject: AppleInsider | Print: Apple releases iTunes 9.1.1, fixing VoiceOver,
	Genius Mixes issues
Message-ID: <81855E37-BB1F-47C2-9933-CFF06E8389D7@googlemail.com>

	
Thank goodness, I had awful trouble with the last update and had to go back to the old version so this is good news to me at any rate.

http://www.appleinsider.com/print/10/04/27/apple_releases_itunes_9_1_1_fixing_voiceover_genius_mixes_issues.html


Regards

G

From glorious Devon, England.

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Apr 28 13:03:21 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:03:21 +0100
Subject: Mac-Access.Net: Software Corner
Message-ID: <2047D84B-E8F6-4FF0-B0F8-705DDD4A72F5@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello all

Well, I've finally started working on the development of the Software Corner section of the Mac-Access.net website.  Actually, I'm not overly happy with that name, as I'm encouraging reviews of not only software for OSX, but also hardware and anything else related to Apple's products, with an emphasis on, although not restricted to, accessibility.

I invite anybody in this group to submit reviews for posting on the website.

Your review doesn't have to be long, all that extensive, or even formal in language.  If you find anything of interest to you which you think others might like to know about, as long as it's Apple-related, we'd love to hear from you.

I'm working on a couple of different things, but I'm asking for your help.  If you'd be interested in contributing, please contact us off list at support at mac-access.net and we'll be only too happy to discuss with you.

I'll post details as to where you can find the reviews shortly.  But I encourage others to come forward.  I cannot do it alone, and it would undoubtably help others.

Thank you in advance for any interest and any input.

Gordon



From n0oxy at charter.net  Wed Apr 28 13:21:33 2010
From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 07:21:33 -0500
Subject: mac mini without a monitor
In-Reply-To: <8EC62BAD-B041-41C7-89DC-73A574987542@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <5C927705-3D7E-49B8-B092-5124B6676F83@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<EE20DDCB-6EBE-4A2E-8D70-B6C7477DC695@charter.net>
	<8EC62BAD-B041-41C7-89DC-73A574987542@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Ok, So I should tell my friend then that in order for the mini to work correctly, you must connect a monitor, no way around it.
On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Mike
> 
> No, you cannot do this any longer.  We did it for a while with the server edition, but that was "fixed" by Apple.  So no, you cannot do it.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> On 28 Apr 2010, at 03:43, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone. I've heard this debated back and forth quite a bit, so I'm trying to find out for sure. Is there any way to run the current mac mini models without a monitor? I know with the older models, like the one I have, you can connect the adapter that allows you to connect to a TV, but this doesn't work on the newest mini models. A friend of mine has a new mini, and will need to take it places where a monitor may not be available. She bought the mini DVI to VGA adapter, but connecting that still doesn't remove all the busy messages, and it also seems to cause fusion to lock up at times. I've heard that connecting this adapter should do the trick, and I've also heard something about some kind of null adapter. So, is there any way around this with the newest mini models? If not, she may need to sell the mini and get a mac book, but she would rather not do that if she can avoid it.
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Apr 28 18:05:10 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:05:10 +0100
Subject: mac mini without a monitor
In-Reply-To: <51D8B41A-7D70-4AEF-9E5E-086AFF2752AE@charter.net>
References: <5C927705-3D7E-49B8-B092-5124B6676F83@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<EE20DDCB-6EBE-4A2E-8D70-B6C7477DC695@charter.net>
	<8EC62BAD-B041-41C7-89DC-73A574987542@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<51D8B41A-7D70-4AEF-9E5E-086AFF2752AE@charter.net>
Message-ID: <84D8446D-C2D2-4188-A7E5-9D2F57A9BEA4@tft-bbs.co.uk>

HI MIKE

CORRECT, YES.  WE HAD TO BUY ONE FOR THAT REASON.

GORDON


On 28 Apr 2010, at 13:21, Mike Arrigo wrote:

Ok, So I should tell my friend then that in order for the mini to work correctly, you must connect a monitor, no way around it.
On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Mike
> 
> No, you cannot do this any longer.  We did it for a while with the server edition, but that was "fixed" by Apple.  So no, you cannot do it.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> On 28 Apr 2010, at 03:43, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone. I've heard this debated back and forth quite a bit, so I'm trying to find out for sure. Is there any way to run the current mac mini models without a monitor? I know with the older models, like the one I have, you can connect the adapter that allows you to connect to a TV, but this doesn't work on the newest mini models. A friend of mine has a new mini, and will need to take it places where a monitor may not be available. She bought the mini DVI to VGA adapter, but connecting that still doesn't remove all the busy messages, and it also seems to cause fusion to lock up at times. I've heard that connecting this adapter should do the trick, and I've also heard something about some kind of null adapter. So, is there any way around this with the newest mini models? If not, she may need to sell the mini and get a mac book, but she would rather not do that if she can avoid it.
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From n0oxy at charter.net  Thu Apr 29 00:26:30 2010
From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 18:26:30 -0500
Subject: mac mini without a monitor
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Hereis an article I found on the apple site about this, I wonder if it's actually wrong.
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3149
On Apr 28, 2010, at 7:21 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> Ok, So I should tell my friend then that in order for the mini to work correctly, you must connect a monitor, no way around it.
> On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mike
>> 
>> No, you cannot do this any longer.  We did it for a while with the server edition, but that was "fixed" by Apple.  So no, you cannot do it.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
>> 
>> On 28 Apr 2010, at 03:43, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone. I've heard this debated back and forth quite a bit, so I'm trying to find out for sure. Is there any way to run the current mac mini models without a monitor? I know with the older models, like the one I have, you can connect the adapter that allows you to connect to a TV, but this doesn't work on the newest mini models. A friend of mine has a new mini, and will need to take it places where a monitor may not be available. She bought the mini DVI to VGA adapter, but connecting that still doesn't remove all the busy messages, and it also seems to cause fusion to lock up at times. I've heard that connecting this adapter should do the trick, and I've also heard something about some kind of null adapter. So, is there any way around this with the newest mini models? If not, she may need to sell the mini and get a mac book, but she would rather not do that if she can avoid it.
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From david.mclean at cox.net  Thu Apr 29 02:22:59 2010
From: david.mclean at cox.net (David McLean)
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 21:22:59 -0400
Subject: mac mini without a monitor
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Yes it is actually wrong.
On Apr 28, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> Hereis an article I found on the apple site about this, I wonder if it's actually wrong.
> http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3149
> On Apr 28, 2010, at 7:21 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> Ok, So I should tell my friend then that in order for the mini to work correctly, you must connect a monitor, no way around it.
>> On Apr 28, 2010, at 3:45 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Mike
>>> 
>>> No, you cannot do this any longer.  We did it for a while with the server edition, but that was "fixed" by Apple.  So no, you cannot do it.
>>> 
>>> Gordon
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28 Apr 2010, at 03:43, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone. I've heard this debated back and forth quite a bit, so I'm trying to find out for sure. Is there any way to run the current mac mini models without a monitor? I know with the older models, like the one I have, you can connect the adapter that allows you to connect to a TV, but this doesn't work on the newest mini models. A friend of mine has a new mini, and will need to take it places where a monitor may not be available. She bought the mini DVI to VGA adapter, but connecting that still doesn't remove all the busy messages, and it also seems to cause fusion to lock up at times. I've heard that connecting this adapter should do the trick, and I've also heard something about some kind of null adapter. So, is there any way around this with the newest mini models? If not, she may need to sell the mini and get a mac book, but she would rather not do that if she can avoid it.
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu Apr 29 05:19:32 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 05:19:32 +0100
Subject: mac mini without a monitor
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Hello Mike

On 29 Apr 2010, at 00:26, Mike Arrigo wrote:

? Hereis an article I found on the apple site about this, I wonder if it's actually wrong.
http://support.apple.com/kb/TS3149

Honestly, Gordon and I tried *EVERYTHING* we could try to make this work. It would've suited us better. The machine works, but it's slow, unresponsive and extremely difficult to use even via Remote Desktop without VoiceOver.

I'll have a look at the article you've referenced; but if this is supposed to work, it doesn't.

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri Apr 30 01:40:37 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:40:37 +1000
Subject: Thoughts on Flash
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Hi!

Here's a link to an article from Apple regarding their thoughts on Adobe's Flash and why it hasn't been adopted for use on Iphone or Ipad, an interesting read for those who are interested in accessibility too!

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Apr 30 06:45:16 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 06:45:16 +0100
Subject: Thoughts on Flash
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Hello Dane

On 30 Apr 2010, at 01:40, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Here's a link to an article from Apple regarding their thoughts on Adobe's Flash and why it hasn't been adopted for use on Iphone or Ipad, an interesting read for those who are interested in accessibility too!

A very interesting and informative read. Thank you. Of course, there are 2 sides to every story; so now let's see if we can find the opposite view.

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri Apr 30 07:23:16 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:23:16 +1000
Subject: Thoughts on Flash
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Don't worry! I'm looking <smile>


On 30/04/2010, at 3:45 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 30 Apr 2010, at 01:40, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> ? Here's a link to an article from Apple regarding their thoughts on Adobe's Flash and why it hasn't been adopted for use on Iphone or Ipad, an interesting read for those who are interested in accessibility too!
> 
> A very interesting and informative read. Thank you. Of course, there are 2 sides to every story; so now let's see if we can find the opposite view.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May  1 06:31:07 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 06:31:07 +0100
Subject: Passsword Protecting zip files
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Hello all

Is there a way to password protect a zip file using Archive Utility? How about Stuffit? I think you can do it using Stuffit, but I'm not 100% sure.

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sat May  1 06:49:22 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 15:49:22 +1000
Subject: Passsword Protecting zip files
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Yep you certainly can do it with Stuff-It.


On 01/05/2010, at 3:31 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello all
> 
> Is there a way to password protect a zip file using Archive Utility? How about Stuffit? I think you can do it using Stuffit, but I'm not 100% sure.
> 
> Lynne
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May  1 10:01:51 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 10:01:51 +0100
Subject: Passsword Protecting zip files
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Hello Dane & all

On 1 May 2010, at 06:49, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Yep you certainly can do it with Stuff-It.
The problem with Stuffit is that it's producing zip files that other apps and OS's don't like when you add passwords.

Lynne



From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk  Sat May  1 13:05:29 2010
From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 13:05:29 +0100
Subject: Abbyy fine reader question 
Message-ID: <C46E418E-56D2-421C-9FD9-120E8ABCC973@hopewell.org.uk>

Hello, 
I am using the latest version of ABBYY Fine reader Express for MAC with Voice Over on MAC OS 10.6.3. I am converting the scanned document to RTF and have checked the box to display after saving. I have arranged for Textedit to open files of type RTF and indeed when I press Command+DownArrow on an RTF file Textedit is started as expected. However despite this ABBYY fine reader opens Open Office to display the scanned document. How can I get ABBYY fine reader to open Textedit instead? 
Many thanks. 
  
Paul Hopewell 
hopewell at hopewell.org.uk

From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk  Sat May  1 13:13:33 2010
From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 13:13:33 +0100
Subject: Skype question 
Message-ID: <A4C844D4-4FEE-411E-AA69-07C5C29630AD@hopewell.org.uk>

Hello, 
I am running the latest version of Skype with Voice Over on MAC OS 10.6.3. I want to send an SMS message to a mobile phone but have not yet succeeded in doing so. I can open the window into which I type the text of the SMS message and can find another window where I can set the message priority and add other recipients. Alas I cannot find any button to actually send the message. Looking at the windows list while Skype is running I see a window entitled Emoticons overlay. When I go to that window Voice Over reads nothing. I wonder if my inability to interact with this overlay is stopping me sending the SMS message.

Have any of you succeeded in sending SMS messages using Skype and if so how did you do it? 
Many thanks. 
  
Paul Hopewell 
hopewell at hopewell.org.uk

From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May  1 17:32:14 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 17:32:14 +0100
Subject: Abbyy fine reader question 
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Hello Paul

On 1 May 2010, at 13:05, Paul Hopewell wrote:

? I am using the latest version of ABBYY Fine reader Express for MAC with Voice Over on MAC OS 10.6.3. I am converting the scanned document to RTF and have checked the box to display after saving. I have arranged for Textedit to open files of type RTF and indeed when I press Command+DownArrow on an RTF file Textedit is started as expected. However despite this ABBYY fine reader opens Open Office to display the scanned document. How can I get ABBYY fine reader to open Textedit instead? 
Many thanks. 

I'm almost sure this is a preference option. Try Comma+Comma. I'll have a look this end.

Lynne



From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk  Sat May  1 19:19:08 2010
From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 19:19:08 +0100
Subject: Abbyy fine reader question 
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Hello Lyne,

I thought of preferences but I find that the preferences item in the fine reader menu seems to be always dimmed.

Paul 
On 1 May 2010, at 17:32, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Paul
> 
> On 1 May 2010, at 13:05, Paul Hopewell wrote:
> 
> ? I am using the latest version of ABBYY Fine reader Express for MAC with Voice Over on MAC OS 10.6.3. I am converting the scanned document to RTF and have checked the box to display after saving. I have arranged for Textedit to open files of type RTF and indeed when I press Command+DownArrow on an RTF file Textedit is started as expected. However despite this ABBYY fine reader opens Open Office to display the scanned document. How can I get ABBYY fine reader to open Textedit instead? 
> Many thanks. 
> 
> I'm almost sure this is a preference option. Try Comma+Comma. I'll have a look this end.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May  1 19:49:11 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 19:49:11 +0100
Subject: Abbyy fine reader question 
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Hello Paul

On 1 May 2010, at 19:19, Paul Hopewell wrote:

? I thought of preferences but I find that the preferences item in the fine reader menu seems to be always dimmed.

I hadn't tried this in the current build. But you're quite right. But here, TextEdit opens when we scan a document. But we don't have OpenOffice installed.

But a suggestion for you. Go to the info for the RTF file type and set it to always open with TextEdit.  See if that helps.

Lynne



From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk  Sat May  1 20:22:00 2010
From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 20:22:00 +0100
Subject: Abbyy fine reader question 
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Message-ID: <4C56CA91-61D3-4E95-A049-3A14F72D78C2@hopewell.org.uk>

Hello Lyne, 
Tried that but alas it doesn't help. 

Paul 
On 1 May 2010, at 19:49, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Paul
> 
> On 1 May 2010, at 19:19, Paul Hopewell wrote:
> 
> ? I thought of preferences but I find that the preferences item in the fine reader menu seems to be always dimmed.
> 
> I hadn't tried this in the current build. But you're quite right. But here, TextEdit opens when we scan a document. But we don't have OpenOffice installed.
> 
> But a suggestion for you. Go to the info for the RTF file type and set it to always open with TextEdit.  See if that helps.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Sat May  1 23:30:38 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 00:30:38 +0200
Subject: Changing voice at Login
Message-ID: <BA949F45-1C4B-49D2-A5BF-F7A620DE5A96@anarchie.org.uk>

Hello everyone,

A very recent switcher on the CeciMac list just posted this trick to get VoiceOver to speak with any voice you like at login.

When the Login window comes up and Alex starts speaking, hold down VO-Command and use the left or right arrow key to find Default Voice, then the down arrow to select the voice you want. From now on, it will be your selected voice that comes up at Login.

This is particularly useful for those using VO in other languages.

Cheers,

Anne


From n0oxy at charter.net  Sun May  2 00:16:50 2010
From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo)
Date: Sat, 1 May 2010 18:16:50 -0500
Subject: possible bug with the newest webkit builds
In-Reply-To: <8074844D-B0BC-40D3-A6FF-8BAA710B48D1@hopewell.org.uk>
References: <C46E418E-56D2-421C-9FD9-120E8ABCC973@hopewell.org.uk>
	<A9E4C13C-6795-41BA-99FD-A0CC37338375@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<8074844D-B0BC-40D3-A6FF-8BAA710B48D1@hopewell.org.uk>
Message-ID: <98B2455D-AEED-426C-BF87-AF5DF1AD9782@charter.net>

Hi everyone, wondering if anyone can reproduce this who uses the newest webkit builds. Go to a site where you can enter more than one line of text, such as a web mail site. When entering text, the voice over read line command does not seem to work, works fine though with the newest version of safari.

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May  2 06:24:35 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 06:24:35 +0100
Subject: Abbyy fine reader question 
In-Reply-To: <4C56CA91-61D3-4E95-A049-3A14F72D78C2@hopewell.org.uk>
References: <C46E418E-56D2-421C-9FD9-120E8ABCC973@hopewell.org.uk>
	<A9E4C13C-6795-41BA-99FD-A0CC37338375@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<8074844D-B0BC-40D3-A6FF-8BAA710B48D1@hopewell.org.uk>
	<A0D55F65-8CF0-4A63-A93E-61DC92C47BD2@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<4C56CA91-61D3-4E95-A049-3A14F72D78C2@hopewell.org.uk>
Message-ID: <3CBDBE46-5FC3-46B3-ACF4-947FD597CE80@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Paul

On 1 May 2010, at 20:22, Paul Hopewell wrote:

Hello Lyne, 
? Tried that but alas it doesn't help. 

I can only assume it's something to do with OpenOffice, which we don't use.

Lynne



From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May  2 06:27:26 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 06:27:26 +0100
Subject: Changing voice at Login
In-Reply-To: <BA949F45-1C4B-49D2-A5BF-F7A620DE5A96@anarchie.org.uk>
References: <BA949F45-1C4B-49D2-A5BF-F7A620DE5A96@anarchie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <1C033AFF-6391-4468-A124-8852DE3A4D6B@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Anne

On 1 May 2010, at 23:30, Anne Robertson wrote:

? When the Login window comes up and Alex starts speaking, hold down VO-Command and use the left or right arrow key to find Default Voice, then the down arrow to select the voice you want. From now on, it will be your selected voice that comes up at Login.

? This is particularly useful for those using VO in other languages.
You can customise Voiceover still further by logging in as root, (using your usual administrator password), then set it up as you want it using VoiceOver Utility. Gordon showed me this ages ago.

That way, Braille also works as you like it at the Log-in window.

Lynne



From support at mac-access.net  Sun May  2 17:01:56 2010
From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 17:01:56 +0100
Subject: New Member Welcome
Message-ID: <F68B9082-630F-4443-9B64-E324FF73B0EB@mac-access.net>

Hello everybody

When a new member joins our group, it's traditional that we extend to them a personal welcome.

In keeping with that tradition, I am delighted to welcome James Austin to our number.

James is, I know, a bi-lingual member, as he's a member of our sister facility, the French language group we host on behalf of cecimac.org.

Welcome James to the English language version of your local friendly Mac0Access group. As the list owners, Gortdon and I hope you find this group of value, as you do Cecimac.

Please feel free to post your questions answers to questions and other comment to the group. In here you'll find a friendly and, in many cases, well informed group of people only too willing to share their Mac enthusiasm with you.

Lynne



From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May  2 17:12:04 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 17:12:04 +0100
Subject: MSN for iPbone
Message-ID: <E14C4F92-725E-42EB-8066-FDF1217C2A0E@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

Anybody know if this exists and, if so, is accessible?

Lynne


From tsiegel at softcon.us  Mon May  3 04:37:13 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 22:37:13 -0500
Subject: Passsword Protecting zip files
In-Reply-To: <8194204C-56A7-4013-9FB0-A0D16983F36D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <8194204C-56A7-4013-9FB0-A0D16983F36D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1DF1362D-F94D-4AB6-B67F-2DD011AE4702@softcon.us>

You can use the zip terminal app to add passwords to your zip files.
If you're using the terminal zip program to create your zip files,  
simply add a -e (for encrypt) to your commandline.
if you're trying to add a password to an existing zip file, you'll  
need to extract it first, then zip it again using the encryption  
option.  I can't find anything that would allow you to add a password  
to an existing zip file using the terminal.
You could probably automate the process with a shell command,  
something like this:
#!/bin/bash
unzip $1
rm $1.zip
zip $1 * -e

Save this script as something like zip.sh in your home dir or in /usr/ 
local/bin or something similar.
Make it executable by doing a
chmod 700 zip.sh
(full path required if you're not in the same folder as the zip.sh file)
Then, make sure you're in a folder which contains nothing but the zip  
file, then simply type
zip.sh file.zip

That will unzip the existing zip file, remove the previous zip file,  
and recompress it adding encryption to it as it goes.
Hope this helps.


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May  3 06:34:06 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 06:34:06 +0100
Subject: Passsword Protecting zip files
In-Reply-To: <1DF1362D-F94D-4AB6-B67F-2DD011AE4702@softcon.us>
References: <8194204C-56A7-4013-9FB0-A0D16983F36D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<1DF1362D-F94D-4AB6-B67F-2DD011AE4702@softcon.us>
Message-ID: <DE143781-A7A6-4894-80D2-047FDA4FB97E@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Travis

This is interesting stuff.  Thanks, I'll look at this more closely later.  It's probably a bit beyond Lynne's experience, as she gets a bit nervous about using the Terminal.

Understandable I think, since she's only been using a Mac since she joined my family. :-)

In fact, before that time, she was virtually completely computer illiterate so she's learned very quickly I think.

Thanks again, interesting reference material.

Gordon


On 3 May 2010, at 04:37, Travis Siegel wrote:

You can use the zip terminal app to add passwords to your zip files.
If you're using the terminal zip program to create your zip files, simply add a -e (for encrypt) to your commandline.
if you're trying to add a password to an existing zip file, you'll need to extract it first, then zip it again using the encryption option.  I can't find anything that would allow you to add a password to an existing zip file using the terminal.
You could probably automate the process with a shell command, something like this:
#!/bin/bash
unzip $1
rm $1.zip
zip $1 * -e

Save this script as something like zip.sh in your home dir or in /usr/local/bin or something similar.
Make it executable by doing a
chmod 700 zip.sh
(full path required if you're not in the same folder as the zip.sh file)
Then, make sure you're in a folder which contains nothing but the zip file, then simply type
zip.sh file.zip

That will unzip the existing zip file, remove the previous zip file, and recompress it adding encryption to it as it goes.
Hope this helps.

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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May  3 07:37:49 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 07:37:49 +0100
Subject: Amadeus Pro (Revisited)
Message-ID: <0805701F-6F38-4BBD-A9A2-87FFEF6ABF0F@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

Alright, I'm sorry; I know this has been discussed before. But I'm getting a bit frustrated by Amadeus Pro.

I can do this with the mouse, and it works fine. But how do you select portions of a file using Amadeus Pro and, effectively, edit by ear when using the keyboard shortcuts?

I'm getting confused because what I hear isn't what's actually been changed in the file when I copy, cut, paste, snip, etc.

I gather from Gordon that it has 2 heads and that's probably where I'm getting confused. Can anybody help?

Yours frustratedly

Lynne



From support at mac-access.net  Mon May  3 18:50:08 2010
From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 18:50:08 +0100
Subject: New Member Welcome
Message-ID: <74EA2A4C-999D-461E-947E-9CD3AD79695E@mac-access.net>

Hello everybody

It is traditional, when a new member joins our number, for us to extend a personal welcome to that member.

In keeping with that tradition, I'd like to welcome Richard Godfrey-McKay to our group.

I hope, Richard, that you find this forum of value; whatever your level of experience with Apple's products and accessibility.

Please feel free to post your Apple-related questions and comments without fear of ridicule or retribution from anybody. This is a growing and friendly bunch of individuals with a common goal; to help one another with accessibility and other issues pertaining to Apple's products and associated third-party add-ons.

Once again Richard, welcome.

Lynne



From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Mon May  3 18:22:25 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 18:22:25 +0100
Subject: Editing audio with Amadeus Pro
Message-ID: <948A3029-AEBE-4EFF-8A8D-18FC8FCE8C2D@gmail.com>

> Could someone please explain how to edit files with Amadeus Pro with Voice Over please? When I interact with the scroll area, I can't seem to find anything that will allow me to edit the audio from the file. 
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks & TC
> James 

From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Mon May  3 18:52:22 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Mon, 3 May 2010 18:52:22 +0100
Subject: New Member Welcome
In-Reply-To: <74EA2A4C-999D-461E-947E-9CD3AD79695E@mac-access.net>
References: <74EA2A4C-999D-461E-947E-9CD3AD79695E@mac-access.net>
Message-ID: <18FC43BE-C0C2-4E65-9900-41F3768D027D@gmail.com>

Welcome Richard
I hope you enjoy yourself on this list. bTW, I know your name from somewhere. Do you occasionally appear on the BBC Radio 4 In Touch programme?
E-Mail me privately to answer this if you like as we don't want to clog the list up with non-Apple related stuff.
Thanks 

TC

On 3 May 2010, at 18:50, Gordon & Lynne Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> It is traditional, when a new member joins our number, for us to extend a personal welcome to that member.
> 
> In keeping with that tradition, I'd like to welcome Richard Godfrey-McKay to our group.
> 
> I hope, Richard, that you find this forum of value; whatever your level of experience with Apple's products and accessibility.
> 
> Please feel free to post your Apple-related questions and comments without fear of ridicule or retribution from anybody. This is a growing and friendly bunch of individuals with a common goal; to help one another with accessibility and other issues pertaining to Apple's products and associated third-party add-ons.
> 
> Once again Richard, welcome.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
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From g.roby at sky.com  Tue May  4 12:54:29 2010
From: g.roby at sky.com (graham)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 12:54:29 +0100
Subject: Time capsule problem
Message-ID: <002b01caeb80$8dda36b0$0300a8c0@home>

Hi, 

I use a Time Capsule which both my Macbook 13 inch and Windows machine connect to the internet through, as well as for backup purposes. 
As of yesterday for some reason I can no longer do this. 
On the Mac side the diagnostics in network preferences says I'm not using a valid ip address, while on the windows side I'm getting a bias error message 53. 

I've not altered any setting on either machine so don't know why this has occured. 

Has anyone any ideas of how I can fix this?

Many thanks in advance for any help or advice offered. 

Kind regards

Graham

From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Tue May  4 15:44:42 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 15:44:42 +0100
Subject: GPS on IPhone
Message-ID: <8D47F81A-3713-4929-8783-5253C0585A66@gmail.com>

Hi gang, 

I hope that this is not O.T for this list, but I am wondering what folks are using for GPS on the IPhone and how accessible their chosen application is. Also, I would be interested to know if they are using external Bluetooth GPS receivers.

Thanks for any info. 
TC
James 

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May  4 16:38:24 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 16:38:24 +0100
Subject: Time capsule problem
In-Reply-To: <002b01caeb80$8dda36b0$0300a8c0@home>
References: <002b01caeb80$8dda36b0$0300a8c0@home>
Message-ID: <7E2F50BA-1982-4949-9ECD-3ABE559FC38B@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Graham

This sounds like your TC has become corrupted.  I suggest you connect to it using an Ethernet cable and perform a reset.  Use Airport Utility.

Gordon


On 4 May 2010, at 12:54, graham wrote:

Hi, 

I use a Time Capsule which both my Macbook 13 inch and Windows machine connect to the internet through, as well as for backup purposes. 
As of yesterday for some reason I can no longer do this. 
On the Mac side the diagnostics in network preferences says I'm not using a valid ip address, while on the windows side I'm getting a bias error message 53. 

I've not altered any setting on either machine so don't know why this has occured. 

Has anyone any ideas of how I can fix this?

Many thanks in advance for any help or advice offered. 

Kind regards

Graham
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May  4 16:40:53 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 16:40:53 +0100
Subject: GPS on IPhone
In-Reply-To: <8D47F81A-3713-4929-8783-5253C0585A66@gmail.com>
References: <8D47F81A-3713-4929-8783-5253C0585A66@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DC22BB2B-3A4E-4DA5-98BA-58A6F14DD923@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi James

Bluetooth on the iPhone is only compatible with audio devices currently.  VoxTrek and Navigon seem to be the most popular navigation devices.  VoxTrek is something that I know Anne uses, and which I am about to start playing with.

It's very accessible.

Gordon


On 4 May 2010, at 15:44, James & Nash wrote:

Hi gang, 

I hope that this is not O.T for this list, but I am wondering what folks are using for GPS on the IPhone and how accessible their chosen application is. Also, I would be interested to know if they are using external Bluetooth GPS receivers.

Thanks for any info. 
TC
James 
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From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Tue May  4 16:56:20 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:56:20 +0200
Subject: GPS on IPhone
In-Reply-To: <8D47F81A-3713-4929-8783-5253C0585A66@gmail.com>
References: <8D47F81A-3713-4929-8783-5253C0585A66@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DCBE9D6-684E-4320-A3EC-363A43387248@anarchie.org.uk>

Hello James,

First of all, as far as I know, the iPhone does not support external GPS receivers.

As for GPS apps for the iPhone, there are now several, some more accessible than others.

The iPhone comes with a built-in Maps app, which works for planning routes on foot.

I think that the easiest one to use, and probably the easiest to configure, is Navigon. You can get the UK only version, or the Europe version. The UK only version is quite a lot cheaper. You have to set Navigon to Bicycle mode to have turn-by-turn instructions spoken, and it respects one-way streets, which is not exactly what you want as a pedestrian.

Then there is VoxTrek, which is very cheap but really fiddly to configure. It has the advantage of not respecting one-way streets while in pedestrian mode, but I still haven't figured out how to make it download and use a particular map instead of connecting to the Internet via 3G, which makes it very greedy on the battery. I'm sure it can be done, but I haven't worked it out yet. It does however allow you to use an Infovox iVox voice for a small fee. There is a free voice that comes with it, but it's horrible. VoxTrek will keep updating you on your position as you walk around, without you having to set a destination. I tested it here in Orry la Ville, and it was pretty accurate. Also, the developer is very responsive.

Another GPS app is Kapten. You can pay for this by the month, or get a lifetime license. I like it because here in France, it handles public transport. I find it useful for planning trips, but find it a bit slow to respond in some places. For instance, it told me to turn onto a particular road about 20 metres after I'd actually turned onto that road.

Some people are using TomTom, but I don't know anything about it. I've already spent enough on GPS apps!

Cheers,

Anne

On May 4, 2010, at 4:44 PM, James & Nash wrote:

> Hi gang, 
> 
> I hope that this is not O.T for this list, but I am wondering what folks are using for GPS on the IPhone and how accessible their chosen application is. Also, I would be interested to know if they are using external Bluetooth GPS receivers.
> 
> Thanks for any info. 
> TC
> James 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Tue May  4 16:56:29 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 16:56:29 +0100
Subject: GPS on IPhone
In-Reply-To: <DC22BB2B-3A4E-4DA5-98BA-58A6F14DD923@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <8D47F81A-3713-4929-8783-5253C0585A66@gmail.com>
	<DC22BB2B-3A4E-4DA5-98BA-58A6F14DD923@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E0ADCA2B-8EB9-41FD-8827-893A17BEBAF5@gmail.com>

Thanks Gordon,

I'll check it out. 
TC
James 
On 4 May 2010, at 16:40, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi James
> 
> Bluetooth on the iPhone is only compatible with audio devices currently.  VoxTrek and Navigon seem to be the most popular navigation devices.  VoxTrek is something that I know Anne uses, and which I am about to start playing with.
> 
> It's very accessible.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> On 4 May 2010, at 15:44, James & Nash wrote:
> 
> Hi gang, 
> 
> I hope that this is not O.T for this list, but I am wondering what folks are using for GPS on the IPhone and how accessible their chosen application is. Also, I would be interested to know if they are using external Bluetooth GPS receivers.
> 
> Thanks for any info. 
> TC
> James 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Tue May  4 16:59:15 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 16:59:15 +0100
Subject: GPS on IPhone
In-Reply-To: <4DCBE9D6-684E-4320-A3EC-363A43387248@anarchie.org.uk>
References: <8D47F81A-3713-4929-8783-5253C0585A66@gmail.com>
	<4DCBE9D6-684E-4320-A3EC-363A43387248@anarchie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <F82E514D-B3E3-441A-B0AB-D80E18A916F0@gmail.com>

Thanks very much Anne, Ill take a look at all of these.

Hope ot catch you on Skype soon. 
TC
james
On 4 May 2010, at 16:56, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello James,
> 
> First of all, as far as I know, the iPhone does not support external GPS receivers.
> 
> As for GPS apps for the iPhone, there are now several, some more accessible than others.
> 
> The iPhone comes with a built-in Maps app, which works for planning routes on foot.
> 
> I think that the easiest one to use, and probably the easiest to configure, is Navigon. You can get the UK only version, or the Europe version. The UK only version is quite a lot cheaper. You have to set Navigon to Bicycle mode to have turn-by-turn instructions spoken, and it respects one-way streets, which is not exactly what you want as a pedestrian.
> 
> Then there is VoxTrek, which is very cheap but really fiddly to configure. It has the advantage of not respecting one-way streets while in pedestrian mode, but I still haven't figured out how to make it download and use a particular map instead of connecting to the Internet via 3G, which makes it very greedy on the battery. I'm sure it can be done, but I haven't worked it out yet. It does however allow you to use an Infovox iVox voice for a small fee. There is a free voice that comes with it, but it's horrible. VoxTrek will keep updating you on your position as you walk around, without you having to set a destination. I tested it here in Orry la Ville, and it was pretty accurate. Also, the developer is very responsive.
> 
> Another GPS app is Kapten. You can pay for this by the month, or get a lifetime license. I like it because here in France, it handles public transport. I find it useful for planning trips, but find it a bit slow to respond in some places. For instance, it told me to turn onto a particular road about 20 metres after I'd actually turned onto that road.
> 
> Some people are using TomTom, but I don't know anything about it. I've already spent enough on GPS apps!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> On May 4, 2010, at 4:44 PM, James & Nash wrote:
> 
>> Hi gang, 
>> 
>> I hope that this is not O.T for this list, but I am wondering what folks are using for GPS on the IPhone and how accessible their chosen application is. Also, I would be interested to know if they are using external Bluetooth GPS receivers.
>> 
>> Thanks for any info. 
>> TC
>> James 
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From g.roby at sky.com  Tue May  4 17:25:00 2010
From: g.roby at sky.com (graham)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:25:00 +0100
Subject: Time capsule problem
References: <002b01caeb80$8dda36b0$0300a8c0@home>
	<7E2F50BA-1982-4949-9ECD-3ABE559FC38B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000301caeba6$58e34bb0$0300a8c0@home>

Hi Gordon,

Thanks for the suggstion. I did this and still got the message invalid ip 
address.

Is there a way to completely reset t-c so I can give it a completely new 
network?

Luckily I can swith to my router so I still have full internet and email 
access just loose the backup facility at the moment.

Best

Graham

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gordon Smith" <gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk>
To: "Mac OSX, iPhone OS Accessibility" <mac-access at mac-access.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Time capsule problem


> Hi Graham
>
> This sounds like your TC has become corrupted.  I suggest you connect to 
> it using an Ethernet cable and perform a reset.  Use Airport Utility.
>
> Gordon
>
>
> On 4 May 2010, at 12:54, graham wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I use a Time Capsule which both my Macbook 13 inch and Windows machine 
> connect to the internet through, as well as for backup purposes.
> As of yesterday for some reason I can no longer do this.
> On the Mac side the diagnostics in network preferences says I'm not using 
> a valid ip address, while on the windows side I'm getting a bias error 
> message 53.
>
> I've not altered any setting on either machine so don't know why this has 
> occured.
>
> Has anyone any ideas of how I can fix this?
>
> Many thanks in advance for any help or advice offered.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Graham
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May  4 17:49:25 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:49:25 +0100
Subject: Time capsule problem
In-Reply-To: <000301caeba6$58e34bb0$0300a8c0@home>
References: <002b01caeb80$8dda36b0$0300a8c0@home>
	<7E2F50BA-1982-4949-9ECD-3ABE559FC38B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<000301caeba6$58e34bb0$0300a8c0@home>
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Hi Graham

I don't remember seeing a hardware reset on the TC, so it looks like you may have a problem.  If you cannot connect using Airport Utility via an Ethernet cable, you may need to request service from Apple.

That, to be honest, is my only gripe about these products.  Sometimes, Apple seems to take a lot for granted with their design.  Make sure, before you do anything, you disconnect the TC from any other routers, and make sure your MacBook is connect via a LAN, rather than the WAN interface.  That is very important, since some functionality is disabled by default if you put your computer on the WAN interface.

I've only encountered similar situations to this on one occasion and on that occasion I was able to resolve it by doing the following:

1.  Power off the MacBook and the TC.

2.  Connect the MacBook to the TC exclusively, via Ethernet.

3.  Power on the TC.

4.  Power on the MacBook and allow it to boot.

5.  Open Airport utility and try to force a reset of the TC.

In our case it found the machine even though the IP wasn't what it called "valid".  I was able to reset the TC that way and then re-configure it for the client's network.

This wasn't our own TC's, of which we have 2.  We personally have never experienced this issue but I know it can happen.

If you cannot force a reset using Airport Utility, I suspect, as I said, you'll have to contact Apple Customer Services and arrange a return to base.

Gordon


On 4 May 2010, at 17:25, graham wrote:

Hi Gordon,

Thanks for the suggstion. I did this and still got the message invalid ip address.

Is there a way to completely reset t-c so I can give it a completely new network?

Luckily I can swith to my router so I still have full internet and email access just loose the backup facility at the moment.

Best

Graham

----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" <gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk>
To: "Mac OSX, iPhone OS Accessibility" <mac-access at mac-access.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Time capsule problem


> Hi Graham
> 
> This sounds like your TC has become corrupted.  I suggest you connect to it using an Ethernet cable and perform a reset.  Use Airport Utility.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> On 4 May 2010, at 12:54, graham wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I use a Time Capsule which both my Macbook 13 inch and Windows machine connect to the internet through, as well as for backup purposes.
> As of yesterday for some reason I can no longer do this.
> On the Mac side the diagnostics in network preferences says I'm not using a valid ip address, while on the windows side I'm getting a bias error message 53.
> 
> I've not altered any setting on either machine so don't know why this has occured.
> 
> Has anyone any ideas of how I can fix this?
> 
> Many thanks in advance for any help or advice offered.
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Graham
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From g.roby at sky.com  Tue May  4 18:11:35 2010
From: g.roby at sky.com (graham)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:11:35 +0100
Subject: Time capsule problem
References: <002b01caeb80$8dda36b0$0300a8c0@home><7E2F50BA-1982-4949-9ECD-3ABE559FC38B@tft-bbs.co.uk><000301caeba6$58e34bb0$0300a8c0@home>
	<BCBE3674-75D3-4A3F-AF56-BDF52CE86A0E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <000501caebac$da7e4110$0300a8c0@home>

Hi Gordon,

Many thanks for your advice and help again.

I'll give that a shot and see how we go.

These things are marvelous until something goes wrong "smiles" still it 
keeps life interesting.

Take care and good to see you up and about.

Graham

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gordon Smith" <gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk>
To: "Mac OSX, iPhone OS Accessibility" <mac-access at mac-access.net>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: Time capsule problem


> Hi Graham
>
> I don't remember seeing a hardware reset on the TC, so it looks like you 
> may have a problem.  If you cannot connect using Airport Utility via an 
> Ethernet cable, you may need to request service from Apple.
>
> That, to be honest, is my only gripe about these products.  Sometimes, 
> Apple seems to take a lot for granted with their design.  Make sure, 
> before you do anything, you disconnect the TC from any other routers, and 
> make sure your MacBook is connect via a LAN, rather than the WAN 
> interface.  That is very important, since some functionality is disabled 
> by default if you put your computer on the WAN interface.
>
> I've only encountered similar situations to this on one occasion and on 
> that occasion I was able to resolve it by doing the following:
>
> 1.  Power off the MacBook and the TC.
>
> 2.  Connect the MacBook to the TC exclusively, via Ethernet.
>
> 3.  Power on the TC.
>
> 4.  Power on the MacBook and allow it to boot.
>
> 5.  Open Airport utility and try to force a reset of the TC.
>
> In our case it found the machine even though the IP wasn't what it called 
> "valid".  I was able to reset the TC that way and then re-configure it for 
> the client's network.
>
> This wasn't our own TC's, of which we have 2.  We personally have never 
> experienced this issue but I know it can happen.
>
> If you cannot force a reset using Airport Utility, I suspect, as I said, 
> you'll have to contact Apple Customer Services and arrange a return to 
> base.
>
> Gordon
>
>
> On 4 May 2010, at 17:25, graham wrote:
>
> Hi Gordon,
>
> Thanks for the suggstion. I did this and still got the message invalid ip 
> address.
>
> Is there a way to completely reset t-c so I can give it a completely new 
> network?
>
> Luckily I can swith to my router so I still have full internet and email 
> access just loose the backup facility at the moment.
>
> Best
>
> Graham
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" <gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk>
> To: "Mac OSX, iPhone OS Accessibility" <mac-access at mac-access.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 4:38 PM
> Subject: Re: Time capsule problem
>
>
>> Hi Graham
>>
>> This sounds like your TC has become corrupted.  I suggest you connect to 
>> it using an Ethernet cable and perform a reset.  Use Airport Utility.
>>
>> Gordon
>>
>>
>> On 4 May 2010, at 12:54, graham wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I use a Time Capsule which both my Macbook 13 inch and Windows machine 
>> connect to the internet through, as well as for backup purposes.
>> As of yesterday for some reason I can no longer do this.
>> On the Mac side the diagnostics in network preferences says I'm not using 
>> a valid ip address, while on the windows side I'm getting a bias error 
>> message 53.
>>
>> I've not altered any setting on either machine so don't know why this has 
>> occured.
>>
>> Has anyone any ideas of how I can fix this?
>>
>> Many thanks in advance for any help or advice offered.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Graham
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk  Tue May  4 18:41:14 2010
From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:41:14 +0100
Subject: GPS on IPhone
In-Reply-To: <DC22BB2B-3A4E-4DA5-98BA-58A6F14DD923@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <8D47F81A-3713-4929-8783-5253C0585A66@gmail.com>
	<DC22BB2B-3A4E-4DA5-98BA-58A6F14DD923@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2BCE4386-B05F-4C56-84EF-BBBE83105D72@hopewell.org.uk>

Hello, 
I too am very interested in GPS on the iPhone - its accessibility and usefulness will be a major factor in deciding whether to purchase an iPhone or not. 
I currently use the free Loadstone GPS program on a Nokia 6680 mobile phone with an external bluetooth GPS receiver. Loadstone lets me enter names for visited points of interest, such as street intersections and shop doors, and at any time I can determine the compass bearing and distance of the nearest points of interest around me. I have now visited and named all the points of interest near my home. I go for a daily walk by myself with my long cane and the Loadstone program is invaluable in helping me determine where I am when I loose concentration and thereby get lost. Loadstone does not include maps, but that would be very useful when visiting previously unvisited places. 
So I am wondering whether any of the iPhone GPS programs will provide similar capability to lOadstone. I usually just go for a walk from home returning to home rather than go to a specific destination and thus my main requirement is to determine the compass bearing and distance of the nearest street intersections or other points of interest, rather than be told when to turn and in what direction to reach a specified destination (though the latter would be very useful for visiting a new location or returning home when completely lost!)
So can I replace my Nokia and Loadstone with an iPhone? If so the iPhone has lots of other advantages and I will probably go for it. 
Many thanks. 
  
Paul Hopewell 
hopewell at hopewell.org.uk

From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May  4 21:24:36 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 21:24:36 +0100
Subject: Max Ripper back under development!
Message-ID: <AE88F098-D7EB-41A8-ACA2-F911AF873F95@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

It seems that Max Ripper, one of the ultimate rippers for Mac OSX for audio CDs and files, is now back under development. Version 2.9.1 was released on 29 August 2009 and has apparently some major bug fixes.

You can find it at http://sbooth.org/Max/#download

Lynne



From david.mclean at cox.net  Tue May  4 22:19:19 2010
From: david.mclean at cox.net (David McLean)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:19:19 -0400
Subject: Max Ripper back under development!
In-Reply-To: <AE88F098-D7EB-41A8-ACA2-F911AF873F95@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <C6908527-4DFA-4EF2-BC6E-5F06DE4874E8@cox.net>

Lynne, How would you compare this one to Xld?  
On May 4, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> It seems that Max Ripper, one of the ultimate rippers for Mac OSX for audio CDs and files, is now back under development. Version 2.9.1 was released on 29 August 2009 and has apparently some major bug fixes.
> 
> You can find it at http://sbooth.org/Max/#download
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May  4 22:58:16 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 22:58:16 +0100
Subject: Max Ripper back under development!
In-Reply-To: <C6908527-4DFA-4EF2-BC6E-5F06DE4874E8@cox.net>
References: <AE88F098-D7EB-41A8-ACA2-F911AF873F95@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<C6908527-4DFA-4EF2-BC6E-5F06DE4874E8@cox.net>
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Hello David

On 4 May 2010, at 22:19, David McLean wrote:

? Lynne, How would you compare this one to Xld?  

I don't think you can, David. It does different things. Well, put it this way. XLD is easier to use in some ways; Max in others. Max is more flexible in some ways, XLD in others.

So basically what I'm saying is that they're both free; both work well so try them out and see which you prefer.

We use both because both have advantages.

Lynne



From tsiegel at softcon.us  Tue May  4 23:10:54 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:10:54 -0500
Subject: iphone and osx books in accessible format
Message-ID: <2376CC3E-7563-4C4A-9979-B3FAAF43FE01@softcon.us>

I'd posted this here before, but now that there's a new archive, and  
new users, I think it's time to repost.
There are books in accessible format (pdf, epub, mobi pocket and so  
on) available from no starch press.
Two books in particular fit with this list,
My new mak snow leopard eddition, and my new iphone.
Both books (as well as others) are accessible from the url:
http://www.nostarch.com/about_ebooks.htm
The snow leopard book direct url is:
http://nostarch.com/newmac_leopard.htm
and the iphone book's direct url is:
http://nostarch.com/newiphone.htm

I have bought a couple nostarch titles in the past, and both were of  
excellent quality, though neither one was related to the mac or  
iphones, so can't say how those two titles are, but I'd wager they're  
really good if the ones I have are any indication.
Hope this helps.


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed May  5 00:56:39 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 09:56:39 +1000
Subject: Max Ripper back under development!
In-Reply-To: <D9800C07-46BB-4DBC-9364-27172E9CD335@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <AE88F098-D7EB-41A8-ACA2-F911AF873F95@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<C6908527-4DFA-4EF2-BC6E-5F06DE4874E8@cox.net>
	<D9800C07-46BB-4DBC-9364-27172E9CD335@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DBB1A241-DD2B-4E63-949A-AFE0AE615E14@internode.on.net>

I would also add that XLD has a more accurate engine when it comes to ripping CD'S, it uses "Accurate Rip" whereas Max doesn't as far as I know, "Accurate rip" is a standard now used by many CD Rippers which takes information from CD'S in a database and compares it with the CD you're ripping, compares drive parameters and so on.

Max has more control over encoding and formats

I don't use Max for ripping these days, its primary use here is for file conversion.


On 05/05/2010, at 7:58 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello David
> 
> On 4 May 2010, at 22:19, David McLean wrote:
> 
> ? Lynne, How would you compare this one to Xld?  
> 
> I don't think you can, David. It does different things. Well, put it this way. XLD is easier to use in some ways; Max in others. Max is more flexible in some ways, XLD in others.
> 
> So basically what I'm saying is that they're both free; both work well so try them out and see which you prefer.
> 
> We use both because both have advantages.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed May  5 01:08:46 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 10:08:46 +1000
Subject: Editing with Amadeus Pro
Message-ID: <AFCD73B0-ABBB-49B1-949D-235F5B12F96F@internode.on.net>

Hi!

Someone was asking about this on list a couple of days ago.

Firstly, a good reference for Amadeus Pro with Voiceover documentation can be found at http://www.icnworkthisthing.com and congratulations to Keith and others concerned on a job well done here <smile>.

I've used Amadeus Pro for 4 years, I'm by no means an expert but perhaps I can give a few pointers in the following texts.

Amadeus Pro has 2 pointers, one is a "Play Head" and the other is an "Insertion Point", in short the "playhead" is what you hear and the "Insertion point' is what you edit, think of Amadeus Pro as a reel-to-reel tape recorder, the "playhead" is what you're hearing and the "Insertion point" controls what portion of tape you're going to splice etc.

So the trick here is to be able to manipulate the "Insertion pointer" in conjunction with the "playhead".  Example, suppose you hear the start of a commercial you want to remove from your sample, move the "Insertion Point" to the "playhead" and mark that point.  Next move the "playhead" to the end of the portion you wish to cut - you use the cursor keys to do this -.  Next move the "Insertion point" to the "Playhead" again and mark the spot.  Use the "Extend selection to previous marker" command to select to the previous marker and press "backspace" or command-x to remove from the recording.

That's just one way of removing data and there are lots of others which you quickly pick up as you explore the software.

Many features have been added to Amadeus Pro in its lifetime including many which manipulate the "Insertion point", these include go to beginning and end of selection, go to time, extend selection to location, etc

The manual for Amadeus Pro is well written including a full list of shortcuts and a complete overview of the menu structure.



From david.mclean at cox.net  Wed May  5 01:06:28 2010
From: david.mclean at cox.net (David McLean)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 20:06:28 -0400
Subject: Max Ripper back under development!
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I'd be more inclined to stick with xld I think because of its accurate ripping.  Don't care about formats since I don't compress anything when I rip it.
On May 4, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> I would also add that XLD has a more accurate engine when it comes to ripping CD'S, it uses "Accurate Rip" whereas Max doesn't as far as I know, "Accurate rip" is a standard now used by many CD Rippers which takes information from CD'S in a database and compares it with the CD you're ripping, compares drive parameters and so on.
> 
> Max has more control over encoding and formats
> 
> I don't use Max for ripping these days, its primary use here is for file conversion.
> 
> 
> On 05/05/2010, at 7:58 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hello David
>> 
>> On 4 May 2010, at 22:19, David McLean wrote:
>> 
>> ? Lynne, How would you compare this one to Xld?  
>> 
>> I don't think you can, David. It does different things. Well, put it this way. XLD is easier to use in some ways; Max in others. Max is more flexible in some ways, XLD in others.
>> 
>> So basically what I'm saying is that they're both free; both work well so try them out and see which you prefer.
>> 
>> We use both because both have advantages.
>> 
>> Lynne
>> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed May  5 01:47:23 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 10:47:23 +1000
Subject: Max Ripper back under development!
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Compression is one of XLD'S weak points in my opinion, I can't speak of the AAC+ format because I don't use it but I can speak of MP3, in this area  - for some unknown reason - the developer has decided not to implement the full set of controls for the LAME encoder, apart from that? Well XLD is damn good! and updated frequently, perhaps a bit too frequently sometimes <smile>.


On 05/05/2010, at 10:06 AM, David McLean wrote:

> I'd be more inclined to stick with xld I think because of its accurate ripping.  Don't care about formats since I don't compress anything when I rip it.
> On May 4, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> I would also add that XLD has a more accurate engine when it comes to ripping CD'S, it uses "Accurate Rip" whereas Max doesn't as far as I know, "Accurate rip" is a standard now used by many CD Rippers which takes information from CD'S in a database and compares it with the CD you're ripping, compares drive parameters and so on.
>> 
>> Max has more control over encoding and formats
>> 
>> I don't use Max for ripping these days, its primary use here is for file conversion.
>> 
>> 
>> On 05/05/2010, at 7:58 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello David
>>> 
>>> On 4 May 2010, at 22:19, David McLean wrote:
>>> 
>>> ? Lynne, How would you compare this one to Xld?  
>>> 
>>> I don't think you can, David. It does different things. Well, put it this way. XLD is easier to use in some ways; Max in others. Max is more flexible in some ways, XLD in others.
>>> 
>>> So basically what I'm saying is that they're both free; both work well so try them out and see which you prefer.
>>> 
>>> We use both because both have advantages.
>>> 
>>> Lynne
>>> 
>>> 
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From anouk.r at home.nl  Wed May  5 02:54:14 2010
From: anouk.r at home.nl (anouk radix)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 03:54:14 +0200
Subject: Max Ripper back under development!
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Hi there,
I thought xld was only for converting files but apparently i was wrong.
Nice to know there is more then one standalone riper (so I mean besides itunes) but I still like it that Max will be ocntinued because I have used it with success in the past.
Gretings, Anouk,
On May 5, 2010, at 2:47 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Compression is one of XLD'S weak points in my opinion, I can't speak of the AAC+ format because I don't use it but I can speak of MP3, in this area  - for some unknown reason - the developer has decided not to implement the full set of controls for the LAME encoder, apart from that? Well XLD is damn good! and updated frequently, perhaps a bit too frequently sometimes <smile>.
> 
> 
> On 05/05/2010, at 10:06 AM, David McLean wrote:
> 
>> I'd be more inclined to stick with xld I think because of its accurate ripping.  Don't care about formats since I don't compress anything when I rip it.
>> On May 4, 2010, at 7:56 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>>> I would also add that XLD has a more accurate engine when it comes to ripping CD'S, it uses "Accurate Rip" whereas Max doesn't as far as I know, "Accurate rip" is a standard now used by many CD Rippers which takes information from CD'S in a database and compares it with the CD you're ripping, compares drive parameters and so on.
>>> 
>>> Max has more control over encoding and formats
>>> 
>>> I don't use Max for ripping these days, its primary use here is for file conversion.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 05/05/2010, at 7:58 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello David
>>>> 
>>>> On 4 May 2010, at 22:19, David McLean wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ? Lynne, How would you compare this one to Xld?  
>>>> 
>>>> I don't think you can, David. It does different things. Well, put it this way. XLD is easier to use in some ways; Max in others. Max is more flexible in some ways, XLD in others.
>>>> 
>>>> So basically what I'm saying is that they're both free; both work well so try them out and see which you prefer.
>>>> 
>>>> We use both because both have advantages.
>>>> 
>>>> Lynne
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>>> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May  5 07:17:04 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 07:17:04 +0100
Subject: Max Ripper back under development!
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Hello Dane

On 5 May 2010, at 00:56, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? I would also add that XLD has a more accurate engine when it comes to ripping CD'S, it uses "Accurate Rip" whereas Max doesn't as far as I know, "Accurate rip" is a standard now used by many CD Rippers which takes information from CD'S in a database and compares it with the CD you're ripping, compares drive parameters and so on.

I would be interested to know what the advantage is, in real terms to this so-called "Accurate Ripping"? As a relative novice, perhaps somebody could enlighten me; although maybe this isn't the place to do so since we're not discussing anything specifically Mac.

? Max has more control over encoding and formats

That is a fact. Max allows you to set far more encoding parameters than XLD does, and I think Max uses external codecs as well, optionally. But Dane, have you tried the new version by any chance?

We haven't as yet; but plan to do so. I downloaded it last night.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May  5 07:23:42 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 07:23:42 +0100
Subject: Editing with Amadeus Pro
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Hello Dane

On 5 May 2010, at 01:08, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Someone was asking about this on list a couple of days ago.

I was, amongst others.

? Firstly, a good reference for Amadeus Pro with Voiceover documentation can be found at http://www.icnworkthisthing.com and congratulations to Keith and others concerned on a job well done here <smile>.

There is a typo in your URL I think, I believe it should be http://www.icanworkthisthing.com

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May  5 08:00:37 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 08:00:37 +0100
Subject: One thing I don't like about XLD
Message-ID: <AE86E938-0641-4BDB-94ED-AA3955B9460A@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

I meant to mention this earlier. There's one thing I don't like about XLD and I confess it really infuriates me.

If you're doing a convert using a cue sheet, XLD, ((unlike Max), always goes on line to get the data for an album, regardless of the fact that it's in the cue sheet.

So, if your cue sheet is right and the idiots who sometimes upload data to FreeDB have stuffed up big time, (as with an album I just encoded), XLD totally ignores the cue sheets.

Lynne



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May  5 08:17:07 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 08:17:07 +0100
Subject: Accurate Rip
Message-ID: <A17FEAC6-0CB7-45CE-981F-D477B9442AB2@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all concerned parties.

OK, I've just explained to Lynne why accurate ripping is important.  Now she understands, no need for further explanation.

Gordon


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed May  5 08:28:41 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 17:28:41 +1000
Subject: One thing I don't like about XLD
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I'm sure I've seen something in the preferences there where you can turn auto database checking off?


On 05/05/2010, at 5:00 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> I meant to mention this earlier. There's one thing I don't like about XLD and I confess it really infuriates me.
> 
> If you're doing a convert using a cue sheet, XLD, ((unlike Max), always goes on line to get the data for an album, regardless of the fact that it's in the cue sheet.
> 
> So, if your cue sheet is right and the idiots who sometimes upload data to FreeDB have stuffed up big time, (as with an album I just encoded), XLD totally ignores the cue sheets.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May  5 09:41:57 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 09:41:57 +0100
Subject: One thing I don't like about XLD
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I think you're missing Lynne's point.  It's the fact that it prioritises remote checking over local that's her issue and, I have to say, I agree with it.

On 5 May 2010, at 08:28, Dane Trethowan wrote:

I'm sure I've seen something in the preferences there where you can turn auto database checking off?


On 05/05/2010, at 5:00 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> I meant to mention this earlier. There's one thing I don't like about XLD and I confess it really infuriates me.
> 
> If you're doing a convert using a cue sheet, XLD, ((unlike Max), always goes on line to get the data for an album, regardless of the fact that it's in the cue sheet.
> 
> So, if your cue sheet is right and the idiots who sometimes upload data to FreeDB have stuffed up big time, (as with an album I just encoded), XLD totally ignores the cue sheets.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Wed May  5 11:18:39 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 11:18:39 +0100
Subject: Editing with Amadeus Pro
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Hi Dane,
Thank you very much for this.
TC
James
On 5 May 2010, at 01:08, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> Someone was asking about this on list a couple of days ago.
> 
> Firstly, a good reference for Amadeus Pro with Voiceover documentation can be found at http://www.icnworkthisthing.com and congratulations to Keith and others concerned on a job well done here <smile>.
> 
> I've used Amadeus Pro for 4 years, I'm by no means an expert but perhaps I can give a few pointers in the following texts.
> 
> Amadeus Pro has 2 pointers, one is a "Play Head" and the other is an "Insertion Point", in short the "playhead" is what you hear and the "Insertion point' is what you edit, think of Amadeus Pro as a reel-to-reel tape recorder, the "playhead" is what you're hearing and the "Insertion point" controls what portion of tape you're going to splice etc.
> 
> So the trick here is to be able to manipulate the "Insertion pointer" in conjunction with the "playhead".  Example, suppose you hear the start of a commercial you want to remove from your sample, move the "Insertion Point" to the "playhead" and mark that point.  Next move the "playhead" to the end of the portion you wish to cut - you use the cursor keys to do this -.  Next move the "Insertion point" to the "Playhead" again and mark the spot.  Use the "Extend selection to previous marker" command to select to the previous marker and press "backspace" or command-x to remove from the recording.
> 
> That's just one way of removing data and there are lots of others which you quickly pick up as you explore the software.
> 
> Many features have been added to Amadeus Pro in its lifetime including many which manipulate the "Insertion point", these include go to beginning and end of selection, go to time, extend selection to location, etc
> 
> The manual for Amadeus Pro is well written including a full list of shortcuts and a complete overview of the menu structure.
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed May  5 11:38:41 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 20:38:41 +1000
Subject: Navigon Questions
Message-ID: <2B1DBBB2-406A-4830-A4B5-9AE606270263@internode.on.net>

Hi!

I have a question for those who use Navigon more than I do <smile>.

Firstly, I saw an option where you could save the address you'd typed in as your "home address", I thought it was one of the options which would pop up when you pressed the "More" button but it seems I'm mistaken, could someone refresh my memory?

Next question, if you select the "Send Destination", what does that actually send? I'm assuming that it sends something to someone's email address, does Navigon use the "Contacts" in the Iphone or do you have to enter them manually?

And finally, the Australian version of Navigon is supposed to have references to where speed cameras are located and is supposed to be able to display traffic conditions depending on where you're travelling to, is this information accessible on the Iphone and where would you find it within Navigon?



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May  6 01:45:33 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 10:45:33 +1000
Subject: App for Mac, Vijournal
Message-ID: <425E1493-A616-41A8-86D8-B3C57247C707@internode.on.net>

So, has anyone thought of keeping a diary or a journal of their life or events that happen from day-to-day? Here's the perfect tool with which to do just htat, go to http://www.skoobysoft.com/ and download the trial of Vijournal.

Firstly and most pleasantly, this software seems to be fully accessible which is nice but that's the touch of the Mac isn't it, most software titles one downloads these days are pretty usable without any tweaking <smile>.

Interface is well laid out in a table, the current month your looking at or writing an entry in expands and the entries in that month are sorted by date, Voiceover reads out each date when browsing through the table.

So that's as far as I've gone thus far and I've created my first entry for 6 May, not that my diary will be a part of history but you get the idea, a valuable reference tool if you want to look back on events or even to organise your own life a little, Vijournal comes with other tools to help, suppose you've had your car serviced on such and such a date and such and such a time, have Vijournal keep track of it so you can see how many days have elapsed since the last service, take notes relating to this and so on.

Vijournal can be purchased for around $30.00 Australian and the trial version - whilst fully functional - restricts the user to 30 entries before it stops working.



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May  6 02:48:45 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:48:45 +1000
Subject: Article ON Vijournal
Message-ID: <755C0292-9D11-490D-89BF-CD625443BE7F@internode.on.net>

Hi!

Here's the original article which sparked my interest in the Vijournal software that's described in previous messages from me <smile>

This article is taken from Today's Age Newspaper column from the Green Guide in the "Macman" section.

> Headline, Chronicles of nostalgia, by garry barker.
> Diarists take note: you're bound to find the technology that suits.
> BOSWELL was a dab hand at it but he had the inspiration of the irascible Dr Johnson to help.
> Anne Frank remains famed through her depiction of life in hiding in a diary called "Kitty", written during the German occupation of Amsterdam during World War II.
> English novelist Virginia Woolf also kept a diary that, now made public ? something she did not intend ? has become her autobiography and a window into the literati of the time.
> George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Harry Truman, among many US presidents, kept diaries that, today, are enormously revealing, but the most famous diarist of all was Samuel Pepys, whose absorbing entries form one of the most important records we have of life in 17th-century England.
> These were some of the great diarists of history and for centuries keeping a diary was common practice. Private thoughts have long been recorded in journals and in Victorian times it was the rule, especially for young women. The practice has declined, perhaps because we now have less time for reflection. The culture, for want of a better label, has changed. Social networking on Facebook, MySpace and Twitter has made letting everything hang out in public, even (probably mostly) unto strangers, the order of the day. But the personal journal survives, these days seldom written with a quill in a well-bound vellum volume but in software on a computer. And if you can get it on a Mac, why, it's almost sure to be an app for the iPhone and iPod touch and, soon, iPad.
> Several journal or personal diary applications are available for the Mac, among them myDiary, MacJournal, Journler and Memoires, the last being free to download.
> But today, I speak specifically of a package named viJournal.
> It has been around as a Mac application for several years but the developer, SkoobySoft, recently produced a version for iPhone/iPod Touch (iTunes App Store, $4.99).
> I don't keep a diary of my innermost thoughts but there are certain attractions about viJournal M, as the iPhone app is called. The user interface is very friendly and even if you do not wish to record a lovelorn sonnet, it's handy for jotting down notes about meetings, events and such.
> Entries are logged in a neat, searchable library from which you can navigate to the full item and you can add photos taken with your iPhone. Keen diarists will probably team the mobile version with the Mac app, a free trial version of which can be downloaded from tinyurl.com/268usf7. The latest one requires Mac OS X 10.5 or later but earlier versions are on the site, too. The freebie allows 30 entries before it chokes. You can buy a full licence for $US26.95 ($29).
> SkoobySoft calls viJournal "the library of life" but you can also use it to post blog entries. You can email thoughts to yourself or, if you are running the Mac package, sync via Wi-Fi or the phone network. Both Mac and mobile versions can be password protected.
> SkoobySoft is a bit consumed by personal records. It also produces an iPhone/iPod touch app named Since This. There is a free "lite" (don't you hate the term?) ... within which you can record how many days have elapsed since you stopped smoking, since your wife/husband stopped talking to you, since your car was serviced and other essentials.
> And who knows, in a century or so your private jottings may become famous and your name might join the ranks of Pepys, Washington and all the others who have left their legacies in a diary ? assuming your back-up hard drive lasts as long as paper.
> 

From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May  6 06:58:03 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 06:58:03 +0100
Subject: App for Mac, Vijournal
In-Reply-To: <425E1493-A616-41A8-86D8-B3C57247C707@internode.on.net>
References: <425E1493-A616-41A8-86D8-B3C57247C707@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <712BE97E-3359-4676-941D-EE87B4FFEE0B@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 6 May 2010, at 01:45, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? So, has anyone thought of keeping a diary or a journal of their life or events that happen from day-to-day? Here's the perfect tool with which to do just htat, go to http://www.skoobysoft.com/ and download the trial of Vijournal.

I thought you owned Bento?

I suppose it's horses for courses or, as Gordon would put it, whatever floats ya' boat. But hey, it must be lovely to have the time. :-)

Seriously though, it's good that tools like this exist at reasonable prices. The more options the better. And it seems that you have quite a few. Bento would seem to be a better bet to me though, as it also comes for iPhone.

Lynne



From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May  6 07:33:14 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 07:33:14 +0100
Subject: Smiley Faces
Message-ID: <C6C9EBE0-B833-4026-84DD-C88DCBCD8B71@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

It's come to my attention that some VoiceOver users appear to be having difficulty with smiley face characters that some of us with vision often forgetfully insert into our emails. Because of that, I'm having quite a lot of problems with emails being misinterpreted by people who take what are intended as lighthearted comments as serious ones.

If you're 1 of those people who I'm managed to inadvertently offend either on or off list, then please accept my unreserved apologies for any offence given.

I often forget that Gordon spent quite a while inserting most possible combinations of smiley faces into his VoiceOver pronunciation dictionaries a while ago and as such, when I write these smilies and then check them with VoiceOver turned on (as I often do), I don't realise that there's a problem because VoiceOver pronounces what I expect to hear.

I am finding this quite a source of frustration actually; because it seems that I manage to upset or offend people who I don't mean too, because of what some call my odd sense of humour and my use of these things.

I will try harder in the future to remember to use other ways of phrasing things or to try and use text to indicate smiley faces where necessary. But I wish that the VoiceOver default dictionaries would include these commonly used things as pronunciations that it recognises. The world isn't exclusively vision-impaired, of course, and these things are used all over the Internet just as we used to use them all over Fidonet.

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May  6 08:40:46 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 17:40:46 +1000
Subject: App for Mac, Vijournal
In-Reply-To: <712BE97E-3359-4676-941D-EE87B4FFEE0B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <425E1493-A616-41A8-86D8-B3C57247C707@internode.on.net>
	<712BE97E-3359-4676-941D-EE87B4FFEE0B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5C45C513-A255-4F1B-AC58-1C245640EDC6@internode.on.net>

Well yep, I could use Bento for that and its probably "set to go" with the calendar already integrated <smile>.

Vijournal is also available for the Iphone though I haven't tested this app as yet, you don't need time to jot down notes, very handy things even if you want to remind yourself of something <smile>.


On 06/05/2010, at 3:58 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 6 May 2010, at 01:45, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> ? So, has anyone thought of keeping a diary or a journal of their life or events that happen from day-to-day? Here's the perfect tool with which to do just htat, go to http://www.skoobysoft.com/ and download the trial of Vijournal.
> 
> I thought you owned Bento?
> 
> I suppose it's horses for courses or, as Gordon would put it, whatever floats ya' boat. But hey, it must be lovely to have the time. :-)
> 
> Seriously though, it's good that tools like this exist at reasonable prices. The more options the better. And it seems that you have quite a few. Bento would seem to be a better bet to me though, as it also comes for iPhone.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May  6 09:00:23 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:00:23 +0100
Subject: FLAC Ripping
Message-ID: <17041179-77B5-4B4B-850B-AAD40E4D33FF@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

Following up from Lynne's message of Tuesday night.  I've been playing with Max Ripper and there's one thing about it I really don't like.  The fact that it embeds a cue sheet into the FLAC file itself.

Is there any other tool you can use on the Mac to do this job?  I guess I just like more control over what the machine's churning out.

Gordon



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May  6 09:02:41 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 18:02:41 +1000
Subject: FLAC Ripping
In-Reply-To: <17041179-77B5-4B4B-850B-AAD40E4D33FF@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <17041179-77B5-4B4B-850B-AAD40E4D33FF@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CF73AF4A-AA24-4787-B7E7-7FB18DDDA00E@internode.on.net>

Interesting, I don't use Max for ripping these days but when I did there was a "Create a cue sheet" file which worked regardless of the format you used though strictly speaking if the later version does put the cue sheet into the FLAC file then its probably doing what's supposed to be done.  Again, a technical point but cue sheets are only supposed to be - I repeat supposed to be - paired with wave files in this situation.


On 06/05/2010, at 6:00 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Following up from Lynne's message of Tuesday night.  I've been playing with Max Ripper and there's one thing about it I really don't like.  The fact that it embeds a cue sheet into the FLAC file itself.
> 
> Is there any other tool you can use on the Mac to do this job?  I guess I just like more control over what the machine's churning out.
> 
> Gordon
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May  6 09:11:46 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:11:46 +0100
Subject: FLAC Ripping
In-Reply-To: <CF73AF4A-AA24-4787-B7E7-7FB18DDDA00E@internode.on.net>
References: <17041179-77B5-4B4B-850B-AAD40E4D33FF@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<CF73AF4A-AA24-4787-B7E7-7FB18DDDA00E@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <1106AA16-18D4-4D69-9738-630882BC91C4@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Yes, it's checked, the create cue sheet option.  I remember how to set up that cocec actually and I have it set righty.

As for the sheet being external, I'm not sure about what you say about it being supposed to be embedded and only paired wiuth a wave.  There are lots of programmes I have used which actually rely on the cue sheet being external.

On 6 May 2010, at 09:02, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Interesting, I don't use Max for ripping these days but when I did there was a "Create a cue sheet" file which worked regardless of the format you used though strictly speaking if the later version does put the cue sheet into the FLAC file then its probably doing what's supposed to be done.  Again, a technical point but cue sheets are only supposed to be - I repeat supposed to be - paired with wave files in this situation.


On 06/05/2010, at 6:00 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Following up from Lynne's message of Tuesday night.  I've been playing with Max Ripper and there's one thing about it I really don't like.  The fact that it embeds a cue sheet into the FLAC file itself.
> 
> Is there any other tool you can use on the Mac to do this job?  I guess I just like more control over what the machine's churning out.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
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From tsiegel at softcon.us  Thu May  6 13:25:10 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 07:25:10 -0500
Subject: Smiley Faces
In-Reply-To: <C6C9EBE0-B833-4026-84DD-C88DCBCD8B71@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <C6C9EBE0-B833-4026-84DD-C88DCBCD8B71@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <70C8A93F-FADF-4E81-906D-D10044F0BCC0@softcon.us>

Actually, I've not touched my vo dictionaries, and several of the  
smileys are certainly identified and pronounced as such, such as :)  
(pronounced as smiley) :-) (also spoken as smiley), :( (spoken as  
frown) -> (used to be spoken as frown, but apple finally removed this  
one, because of programming issues, I mean, person->address certainly  
should not be spoken as person frown address after all)
:P is not spoken as anything other than p, although I seem to recall  
it used to be in the dictionary, but I could be imagining things with  
that one)
And, most of the ones you can insert with ichat also come across as  
spoken versions of their punctuation equivalents.  Not sure why folks  
are taking a fence at what you've been saying (oh, uh, I mean, taking  
offense :))
Likely, these folks have their punctuation levels turned way down, so  
they don't get the benefit of apple's intrepretation of said symbols.
(which again opens up a whole new can of worms I won't get into, since  
my personal opinion is the screen reader should read not interpret,  
but apparently I'm in the minority on this one) <sigh>


From support at tft-bbs.com  Thu May  6 16:30:09 2010
From: support at tft-bbs.com (Gordon & Lynne Smith)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:30:09 +0100
Subject: Returning Member Welcome
Message-ID: <F2615169-4815-41AC-9BF5-DE39FF7B6BC7@tft-bbs.com>

Hello everybody

I'm happy to welcome back Martin McCormick, who was removed from the group a little while ago due to what we assume were mail problems.

Martin; I hope the rubber ball has stopped bouncing back to you. :-) and you're now able to receive mail from the group again.

Lynne




From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May  6 16:37:29 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:37:29 +0100
Subject: Smiley Faces
In-Reply-To: <70C8A93F-FADF-4E81-906D-D10044F0BCC0@softcon.us>
References: <C6C9EBE0-B833-4026-84DD-C88DCBCD8B71@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<70C8A93F-FADF-4E81-906D-D10044F0BCC0@softcon.us>
Message-ID: <FF9AD0FF-0F80-4599-A63E-B38F48F14CF7@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Travis

On 6 May 2010, at 13:25, Travis Siegel wrote:

? Actually, I've not touched my vo dictionaries, and several of the smileys are certainly identified and pronounced as such, such as :) (pronounced as smiley) :-) (also spoken as smiley), :( (spoken as frown) -> (used to be spoken as frown, but apple finally removed this one, because of programming issues, I mean, person->address certainly should not be spoken as person frown address after all)

Yes; well whatever the reason was and, to be fair, it may not be only a VoiceOver issue, I was making comments to people privately in many cases, and the next thing I knew, the comments were taken as serious remarks.

It took me a while to figure out what I was doing wrong; why some people were repeatedly misreading what I was saying to them.

I suppose a Braille terminal would be very helpful there; but not everybody is so fortunate as my other half; sadly.

If ever I get lucky on the lottery, I'll treat every member of this group to a terminal.

Al the same, I am sure that the VoiceOver pronunciation dictionary, and probagly that of other screen-readers as well, could be programmed to recognised these very commonly used acronyms.

Actually, even things like ;P, ;D and ;C are used quite often in the visual world because they too look like a little graphical face. Maybe I should start using those; because if nothing else, VoiceOver would pronounce the letter C, P or D after a sentence.

Lynne



From blindinnovator at gmail.com  Thu May  6 16:11:27 2010
From: blindinnovator at gmail.com (Brett Campbell)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 09:11:27 -0600
Subject: Smiley Faces
In-Reply-To: <C6C9EBE0-B833-4026-84DD-C88DCBCD8B71@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <C6C9EBE0-B833-4026-84DD-C88DCBCD8B71@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0AE382A6-D04F-497D-BBEC-978C4695415B@gmail.com>

Speaking of inserting smiles and such, into the VoiceOver pronunciation dictionary, I'm wondering if Gordon or anyone has been able to get the dictionary to except :assigning a label to D?  That's a colon with a capital D next to it.  I try to label it as "big smile", but VoiceOver just says D.  
A stupid insignificant thing,, but I decided to ask anyway.


Brett C.

On May 6, 2010, at 12:33 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> It's come to my attention that some VoiceOver users appear to be having difficulty with smiley face characters that some of us with vision often forgetfully insert into our emails. Because of that, I'm having quite a lot of problems with emails being misinterpreted by people who take what are intended as lighthearted comments as serious ones.
> 
> If you're 1 of those people who I'm managed to inadvertently offend either on or off list, then please accept my unreserved apologies for any offence given.
> 
> I often forget that Gordon spent quite a while inserting most possible combinations of smiley faces into his VoiceOver pronunciation dictionaries a while ago and as such, when I write these smilies and then check them with VoiceOver turned on (as I often do), I don't realise that there's a problem because VoiceOver pronounces what I expect to hear.
> 
> I am finding this quite a source of frustration actually; because it seems that I manage to upset or offend people who I don't mean too, because of what some call my odd sense of humour and my use of these things.
> 
> I will try harder in the future to remember to use other ways of phrasing things or to try and use text to indicate smiley faces where necessary. But I wish that the VoiceOver default dictionaries would include these commonly used things as pronunciations that it recognises. The world isn't exclusively vision-impaired, of course, and these things are used all over the Internet just as we used to use them all over Fidonet.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May  6 19:12:11 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 19:12:11 +0100
Subject: Smiley Faces
In-Reply-To: <0AE382A6-D04F-497D-BBEC-978C4695415B@gmail.com>
References: <C6C9EBE0-B833-4026-84DD-C88DCBCD8B71@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<0AE382A6-D04F-497D-BBEC-978C4695415B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60EC554F-9D19-4DFF-BF59-557479FE6661@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Brett

On 6 May 2010, at 16:11, Brett Campbell wrote:

? Speaking of inserting smiles and such, into the VoiceOver pronunciation dictionary, I'm wondering if Gordon or anyone has been able to get the dictionary to except :assigning a label to D?  That's a colon with a capital D next to it.  I try to label it as "big smile", but VoiceOver just says D.  
A stupid insignificant thing,, but I decided to ask anyway.

Yes, these work here no problem. But just for your reference, the :D is actually a sad smiley face but you'd be better off using ;D rather than :d.

Lynne




From blindinnovator at gmail.com  Thu May  6 20:38:01 2010
From: blindinnovator at gmail.com (Brett Campbell)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 13:38:01 -0600
Subject: Smiley Faces
In-Reply-To: <60EC554F-9D19-4DFF-BF59-557479FE6661@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <C6C9EBE0-B833-4026-84DD-C88DCBCD8B71@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<0AE382A6-D04F-497D-BBEC-978C4695415B@gmail.com>
	<60EC554F-9D19-4DFF-BF59-557479FE6661@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A755EF8F-8774-4DA5-89D8-3AC684D0795A@gmail.com>

How embarrassing, I've used that symbol so many times thinking it was a big fat smile.  Thanks for the clarification.  I'll also keep trying to get the dictionary to work for me.  Thanks Lynne.


Brett C.

On May 6, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Brett
> 
> On 6 May 2010, at 16:11, Brett Campbell wrote:
> 
> ? Speaking of inserting smiles and such, into the VoiceOver pronunciation dictionary, I'm wondering if Gordon or anyone has been able to get the dictionary to except :assigning a label to D?  That's a colon with a capital D next to it.  I try to label it as "big smile", but VoiceOver just says D.  
> A stupid insignificant thing,, but I decided to ask anyway.
> 
> Yes, these work here no problem. But just for your reference, the :D is actually a sad smiley face but you'd be better off using ;D rather than :d.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May  6 20:59:03 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 20:59:03 +0100
Subject: Smiley Faces
In-Reply-To: <A755EF8F-8774-4DA5-89D8-3AC684D0795A@gmail.com>
References: <C6C9EBE0-B833-4026-84DD-C88DCBCD8B71@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<0AE382A6-D04F-497D-BBEC-978C4695415B@gmail.com>
	<60EC554F-9D19-4DFF-BF59-557479FE6661@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<A755EF8F-8774-4DA5-89D8-3AC684D0795A@gmail.com>
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Hello Brett

On 6 May 2010, at 20:38, Brett Campbell wrote:

? How embarrassing, I've used that symbol so many times thinking it was a big fat smile.  Thanks for the clarification.  I'll also keep trying to get the dictionary to work for me.  Thanks Lynne.

Actually, just to clarify because I got that ever so slightly wrong. The ;D is a sarcastic smiley. The ;C is the sad smiley. ;P is a happy laughing smiley. There are lots more which I could list for you if you like but maybe this isn't the place.

Lynne


From moriond at mac.com  Thu May  6 21:14:35 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 10:14:35 -1000
Subject: Smiley Faces
In-Reply-To: <A755EF8F-8774-4DA5-89D8-3AC684D0795A@gmail.com>
References: <C6C9EBE0-B833-4026-84DD-C88DCBCD8B71@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<0AE382A6-D04F-497D-BBEC-978C4695415B@gmail.com>
	<60EC554F-9D19-4DFF-BF59-557479FE6661@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<A755EF8F-8774-4DA5-89D8-3AC684D0795A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7C2A5D6-4898-457C-B01C-37DBBA52651F@mac.com>

Hi Brett,

According to the Wikipedia and Yahoo entries for emoticons, your use  
of a colon followed by a capital letter "D" does mean a "Big Grin".  
It's only when the colon follows the capital letter "D" that the  
emoticon conveys a sad smiley.  You can check this for yourself by  
going to the Sharpened Glossary page for definitions of Emoticons:
http://www.sharpened.net/glossary/emoticon.php?
Type in your combination into the text box and press return.  For a  
colon followed by the capital letter "D" the definition that is  
returned is:

  This happy person has a big grin on her face. It is a common  
emoticon shortcut used in Gmail messages.

If you type in the capital letter "D" followed by a colon you get the  
definition:

  A sad face with small eyes (from right to left). Used when suddenly  
saddened or shocked.

This probably isn't the best web site to use as a source of emoticon  
definitions, but it was the first one I could quickly find through a  
Google search that lets you type in an emoticon combination to  
retrieve a definition.

HTH

Cheers,

Esther

Brett Campbell wrote:

> How embarrassing, I've used that symbol so many times thinking it  
> was a big fat smile.  Thanks for the clarification.  I'll also keep  
> trying to get the dictionary to work for me.  Thanks Lynne.
>
>
> Brett C.
>
> On May 6, 2010, at 12:12 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
>
>> Hello Brett
>>
>> On 6 May 2010, at 16:11, Brett Campbell wrote:
>>
>> ? Speaking of inserting smiles and such, into the VoiceOver  
>> pronunciation dictionary, I'm wondering if Gordon or anyone has  
>> been able to get the dictionary to except :assigning a label to D?   
>> That's a colon with a capital D next to it.  I try to label it as  
>> "big smile", but VoiceOver just says D.
>> A stupid insignificant thing,, but I decided to ask anyway.
>>
>> Yes, these work here no problem. But just for your reference,  
>> the :D is actually a sad smiley face but you'd be better off  
>> using ;D rather than :d.
>>
>> Lynne
>>
>>
>>


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May  7 05:05:53 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 05:05:53 +0100
Subject: Smiley Faces
In-Reply-To: <C7C2A5D6-4898-457C-B01C-37DBBA52651F@mac.com>
References: <C6C9EBE0-B833-4026-84DD-C88DCBCD8B71@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<0AE382A6-D04F-497D-BBEC-978C4695415B@gmail.com>
	<60EC554F-9D19-4DFF-BF59-557479FE6661@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<A755EF8F-8774-4DA5-89D8-3AC684D0795A@gmail.com>
	<C7C2A5D6-4898-457C-B01C-37DBBA52651F@mac.com>
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Hello Esther

I know this was meant for Brett; but since I commented, I'm going to add my little bit more.


On 6 May 2010, at 21:14, Esther wrote:

? According to the Wikipedia and Yahoo entries for emoticons, your use of a colon followed by a capital letter "D" does mean a "Big Grin". It's only when the colon follows the capital letter "D" that the emoticon conveys a sad smiley.  You can check this for yourself by going to the Sharpened Glossary page for definitions of Emoticons:
http://www.sharpened.net/glossary/emoticon.php?
Type in your combination into the text box and press return.  For a colon followed by the capital letter "D" the definition that is returned is:

This is very interesting because now I come to try this smiley on the Mac, it looks different to how it used to look when I used it on Fidonet. I haven't used these for ages but it's definitely different.

So yes, now it's my turn to hang my head. <LOL>

I used to use them with a semi-colon, not a colon. And that way they do look different.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May  7 07:13:05 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 07:13:05 +0100
Subject: KVM Switch
Message-ID: <BD3DA626-CA40-45BB-8F40-7CA147F396EB@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

We have a number of Mac Minis that we'd like to buy a KVM switch for because it's becoming very tedious having to unplug the keyboard, mouse and display every time we want to use a different machine.

Can anybody recommend a good quality but easily available and reasonably priced KVM switch unit? Please don't recommend non-UK supplier if you know where we can get one; but model numbers might help.

The machines all have USB keyboard & mouse inputs and mini DVI (I think they call them) sockets for the display. That is to say, we have to use an adapter to convert between mini DVI and DVI for the display itself.

Any suggestions welcome.

Lynne



From martin at x.it.okstate.edu  Fri May  7 17:40:04 2010
From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 11:40:04 -0500
Subject: New Mac and Keyboard Issue
Message-ID: <201005071640.o47Ge4eI099611@x.it.okstate.edu>

	This is a strange story, but don't call me crazy just
yet.

	My replacement Mac Pro came in at work and it appears to
be working fine but the new keyboard that was shipped with it
doesn't get along with Voiceover very well right now. The
keyboard is not defective but it transmits different scan codes
for several of the function keys. I determined this by plugging
it in to the USB port on a Linux system and running showkey.
Showkey reports scan codes returned from a console keyboard so
it is a great diagnostic tool for a situation like this. If you
press F1, forexample, an older Mac keyboard sends a hex 3b and
then hex BB as the key is released. The new thin keyboard sends
a hex 00 and then another code when released but it is not the
same set of codes as the roughly 2-year-old keyboard that came
with my first Mac Pro, the one whose logic board died.

	The new keyboard works okay for numbers and letters but
F1-F4 and F7-F12 or so simply do nothing when pressed in
Voiceover Keyboard help.

	Things get even stranger. If you plug the new thin
keyboard in to a Mac running Leopard and run keyboard help, all
the F keys show. If I plug the older Mac keyboard in to the new
system, all the F keys show. This is nothing more than a key
mapping issue, but I would expect the older Leopard system to be
having issues.

	Has anybody heard of this before? The new keyboard is
absolutely the thinist little keyboard I have ever seen. It is
about the thickness of a plastic credit card but it full-sized
and has a bar across the top to tilt it up when it is placed on
a desk.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group

From martin at x.it.okstate.edu  Fri May  7 20:14:19 2010
From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 14:14:19 -0500
Subject: Snowleopard and Adding/removing items from Doc
Message-ID: <201005071914.o47JEJkv000454@x.it.okstate.edu>

How does one add a new application to the doc using Voiceover
in Snowleopard? I discoverdd that the keyboard sequence that
wored in Leopard doesn't work in Snowleopard and I can't seem to
find a how-to that covers this issue.

Thank you.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group

From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Fri May  7 20:17:04 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 20:17:04 +0100
Subject: Snowleopard and Adding/removing items from Doc
In-Reply-To: <201005071914.o47JEJkv000454@x.it.okstate.edu>
References: <201005071914.o47JEJkv000454@x.it.okstate.edu>
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Hi Martin
On 7 May 2010, at 20:14, Martin McCormick wrote:
> How does one add a new application to the doc using Voiceover
> in Snowleopard? I discoverdd that the keyboard sequence that
> wored in Leopard doesn't work in Snowleopard and I can't seem to
> find a how-to that covers this issue.

The way i do this is to open the application that i want to use, then go to the dock and press the "up arrow" when I am sitting on the application. I then select the option "keep in dock". I don't remember if this is immediately available to you or whether it is in the "options" sub menu.

Hope this helps 
TC
James 
> How does one add a new application to the doc using Voiceover
> in Snowleopard? I discoverdd that the keyboard sequence that
> wored in Leopard doesn't work in Snowleopard and I can't seem to
> find a how-to that covers this issue.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
> Systems Engineer
> OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group
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From martin at x.it.okstate.edu  Fri May  7 20:40:03 2010
From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 14:40:03 -0500
Subject: Snowleopard and Adding/removing items from Doc 
Message-ID: <201005071940.o47Je3xW000662@x.it.okstate.edu>

"James & Nash" writes:
> The way i do this is to open the application that i want to use, then go 
> to the dock and press the "up arrow" when I am sitting on the 
> application. I then select the option "keep in dock". I don't remember if 
> this is immediately available to you or whether it is in the "options" 
> sub menu.

	That did work in Leopard, but in Snowleopard, pressing
the Up arrow makes the keyboard hang until I hit Escape and then
everything works again.

From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Fri May  7 20:49:35 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 20:49:35 +0100
Subject: Snowleopard and Adding/removing items from Doc
In-Reply-To: <201005071940.o47Je3xW000662@x.it.okstate.edu>
References: <201005071940.o47Je3xW000662@x.it.okstate.edu>
Message-ID: <B369B5F8-EA67-4180-97C4-05FE7C6D8C76@gmail.com>

Hmmm how odd, it works here
On 7 May 2010, at 20:40, Martin McCormick wrote:

> "James & Nash" writes:
>> The way i do this is to open the application that i want to use, then go 
>> to the dock and press the "up arrow" when I am sitting on the 
>> application. I then select the option "keep in dock". I don't remember if 
>> this is immediately available to you or whether it is in the "options" 
>> sub menu.
> 
> 	That did work in Leopard, but in Snowleopard, pressing
> the Up arrow makes the keyboard hang until I hit Escape and then
> everything works again.
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From martin at x.it.okstate.edu  Fri May  7 20:58:06 2010
From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 14:58:06 -0500
Subject: Snowleopard and Adding/removing items from Doc 
Message-ID: <201005071958.o47Jw69Z000776@x.it.okstate.edu>

"James & Nash" writes:
> The way i do this is to open the application that i want to use, then go 
> to the dock and press the "up arrow" when I am sitting on the 
> application. I then select the option "keep in dock". I don't remember if 
> this is immediately available to you or whether it is in the "options" 
> sub menu.

I think I may have had more windows open than I thought. I just
tried the Right arrow after it hung and I got in to another
version of the dock and that one did let me hit the Up arrow.  I
am not sure what I did yet but I bet you can't bring up the dock
in more than one window and manipulate it because that could
cause one's self some trouble.

From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Fri May  7 21:19:19 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 22:19:19 +0200
Subject: Snowleopard and Adding/removing items from Doc 
In-Reply-To: <201005071958.o47Jw69Z000776@x.it.okstate.edu>
References: <201005071958.o47Jw69Z000776@x.it.okstate.edu>
Message-ID: <F6278D2E-8AF7-4B36-B55B-51C78A55D32D@anarchie.org.uk>

Hello Martin,

The Dock is either at the bottom of the screen, or on one side or the other. There is only one Dock, no matter how many windows are open.

However, sometimes a window can overlap the Dock and cause confusion.

Cheers,

Anne

On May 7, 2010, at 9:58 PM, Martin McCormick wrote:

> "James & Nash" writes:
>> The way i do this is to open the application that i want to use, then go 
>> to the dock and press the "up arrow" when I am sitting on the 
>> application. I then select the option "keep in dock". I don't remember if 
>> this is immediately available to you or whether it is in the "options" 
>> sub menu.
> 
> I think I may have had more windows open than I thought. I just
> tried the Right arrow after it hung and I got in to another
> version of the dock and that one did let me hit the Up arrow.  I
> am not sure what I did yet but I bet you can't bring up the dock
> in more than one window and manipulate it because that could
> cause one's self some trouble.
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From jgatteys at gmail.com  Fri May  7 21:13:46 2010
From: jgatteys at gmail.com (Jim Gatteys)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:13:46 -0500
Subject: Snowleopard and Adding/removing items from Doc
In-Reply-To: <B369B5F8-EA67-4180-97C4-05FE7C6D8C76@gmail.com>
References: <201005071940.o47Je3xW000662@x.it.okstate.edu>
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Hi James and all.
When I up arrow on an item in the doc it also makes my keyboard freeze.  I have a macbook.  I have to go to the options and then select keep in doc to get it to work.  Don't know if there's another way.
Jim

On May 7, 2010, at 2:49 PM, James & Nash wrote:

> Hmmm how odd, it works here
> On 7 May 2010, at 20:40, Martin McCormick wrote:
> 
>> "James & Nash" writes:
>>> The way i do this is to open the application that i want to use, then go 
>>> to the dock and press the "up arrow" when I am sitting on the 
>>> application. I then select the option "keep in dock". I don't remember if 
>>> this is immediately available to you or whether it is in the "options" 
>>> sub menu.
>> 
>> 	That did work in Leopard, but in Snowleopard, pressing
>> the Up arrow makes the keyboard hang until I hit Escape and then
>> everything works again.
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From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Fri May  7 21:40:45 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 22:40:45 +0200
Subject: Snowleopard and Adding/removing items from Doc
In-Reply-To: <DD8ADCED-25B4-49D4-9B37-4729905E9261@gmail.com>
References: <201005071940.o47Je3xW000662@x.it.okstate.edu>
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Message-ID: <3C52CEBA-83F0-4CEF-B20F-63C6237FDABD@anarchie.org.uk>

Hello Jim and Martin,

I've just tested this out and I've found that it works better to do a contextual menu on the application in the Dock, then VO-Down arrow to the Options. Go right and you're on Keep in Dock.

I suspect this is another victim of an update.

Cheers,

Anne


On May 7, 2010, at 10:13 PM, Jim Gatteys wrote:

> Hi James and all.
> When I up arrow on an item in the doc it also makes my keyboard freeze.  I have a macbook.  I have to go to the options and then select keep in doc to get it to work.  Don't know if there's another way.
> Jim
> 
> On May 7, 2010, at 2:49 PM, James & Nash wrote:
> 
>> Hmmm how odd, it works here
>> On 7 May 2010, at 20:40, Martin McCormick wrote:
>> 
>>> "James & Nash" writes:
>>>> The way i do this is to open the application that i want to use, then go 
>>>> to the dock and press the "up arrow" when I am sitting on the 
>>>> application. I then select the option "keep in dock". I don't remember if 
>>>> this is immediately available to you or whether it is in the "options" 
>>>> sub menu.
>>> 
>>> 	That did work in Leopard, but in Snowleopard, pressing
>>> the Up arrow makes the keyboard hang until I hit Escape and then
>>> everything works again.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
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From jgatteys at gmail.com  Fri May  7 21:43:33 2010
From: jgatteys at gmail.com (Jim Gatteys)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:43:33 -0500
Subject: Just testing to see if I get through
Message-ID: <DE1AB40A-F72D-4867-A7CE-1B420B44FAF1@gmail.com>

Hi all!
I'm new to the list and just testing to see if I get through.
Jim


From jgatteys at gmail.com  Fri May  7 21:08:41 2010
From: jgatteys at gmail.com (Jim Gatteys)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 15:08:41 -0500
Subject: New Member
Message-ID: <BE533E04-3641-487F-8018-80B5688D79E6@gmail.com>

Hi all!
I just joined this list and wanted to say hello.  I've been a mac user for 2-1/2 years now and love it.
Take care,
Jim

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From martin at x.it.okstate.edu  Fri May  7 22:14:39 2010
From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick)
Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 16:14:39 -0500
Subject: Snowleopard and Adding/removing items from Doc 
Message-ID: <201005072114.o47LEdiI001256@x.it.okstate.edu>

	I have discovered 3 distinct behavior modes with only
one being the correct mode.

Malfunction mode 1 is the original hang on up arrow problem.
Mode 2 is proper behavior mode which magically appeared when I
stopped using VO-Right arrow and went to just right arrow to go
through the dock. Malfunction mode 3 magically appeared as I did
the exact same thing and tried to add terminal to the dock.
In this malfunction mode, the Up arrow causes a boing sound and
voiceover repeats the selection one is on. It refuses to go in
to menu mode but also does not hang. There is definitely only
one window open. It is seemingly random which mode or mood the
system is in at any given time.
Actually, I just don't know what is causing these various
malfunction modes.

Now, it seems to be stuck in "boing on up arrow" mode. Tomorrow,
it may play our national anthum on up arrow. Who knows?

It is sort of humourous but rather frustrating at the same time.

Martin McCormick

From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk  Fri May  7 22:31:59 2010
From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 22:31:59 +0100
Subject: Open With file option in Finder 
Message-ID: <3A6AC963-6353-48D8-8675-9A3C95CD1A3A@hopewell.org.uk>

Hello,
I have a question about the Open With option in the File menu of Finder. 

I have recently updated my copies of Open Office and Taco html editor. During this I had to remove the prior copies from the Trash folder. Now strangely I see that the list of programs displayed when I select the Open With item in the File menu of Finder includes both the prior version of the above programs and the current version. This is confusing, especially as the prior version has been deleted. 
Do you know why it behaves this way and is there any way to remove the prior versions from the above list? 
Many thanks. 
  
Paul Hopewell 
hopewell at hopewell.org.uk

From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sat May  8 01:13:55 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 10:13:55 +1000
Subject: Vijournal still exploring and discovering
Message-ID: <88108120-EAD6-4513-94DD-64905D69F7F3@internode.on.net>

Hi!

I wrote about this excellent piece of software 2 days ago.  Since then I've been using the application and I purchased it but let me assure you that Vijournal is far more than the old fassioned diary one buys at a news agent where you make your journal out page-by-page day-by-day.  You can for example insert audio or video clips for each daily journal entry, I can see excellent uses for this facility in my daily life, suppose I manage to catch up with family members - in some cases that's no mean feat these days - I can not only write about the happy event that took place on a particular day but I can also capture the event in words and pictures.

Are you a musician? Need to keep track of your composition on a day-by-day basis as it takes shape? No problem! import it into Itunes and insert an "Itunes Marker" into your daily Vojournal as the song changes.

Is your life more complex than one journal? Suppose for example you not only wish to take notes on your personal life for your organisation but you're also running a research project or you wish to take notes on that special software you're writing as it evolves? No problem! keep all your Vijournals separate or integrate them all at a later stage.

Want to show your friend over the other side of the world how much progress you've made with your project? Then email your friend all or part of any journal your keeping, blog it, print it an so on.

So where does this all stop? I'll keep you posted <smile> but in the meantime - if you're interested in trying or buying Vijournal then go to http://www.skoobysoft.com/ and check out their entire software product range.



From jgatteys at gmail.com  Sat May  8 01:25:54 2010
From: jgatteys at gmail.com (Jim Gatteys)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 19:25:54 -0500
Subject: Vijournal still exploring and discovering
In-Reply-To: <88108120-EAD6-4513-94DD-64905D69F7F3@internode.on.net>
References: <88108120-EAD6-4513-94DD-64905D69F7F3@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <845753DE-38AD-4AE6-BACC-CBDECC74B7B2@gmail.com>

Hi, have you compared this app with Mac Journal or Marsedit?
Just curious about the differences.
Jim

On May 7, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> I wrote about this excellent piece of software 2 days ago.  Since then I've been using the application and I purchased it but let me assure you that Vijournal is far more than the old fassioned diary one buys at a news agent where you make your journal out page-by-page day-by-day.  You can for example insert audio or video clips for each daily journal entry, I can see excellent uses for this facility in my daily life, suppose I manage to catch up with family members - in some cases that's no mean feat these days - I can not only write about the happy event that took place on a particular day but I can also capture the event in words and pictures.
> 
> Are you a musician? Need to keep track of your composition on a day-by-day basis as it takes shape? No problem! import it into Itunes and insert an "Itunes Marker" into your daily Vojournal as the song changes.
> 
> Is your life more complex than one journal? Suppose for example you not only wish to take notes on your personal life for your organisation but you're also running a research project or you wish to take notes on that special software you're writing as it evolves? No problem! keep all your Vijournals separate or integrate them all at a later stage.
> 
> Want to show your friend over the other side of the world how much progress you've made with your project? Then email your friend all or part of any journal your keeping, blog it, print it an so on.
> 
> So where does this all stop? I'll keep you posted <smile> but in the meantime - if you're interested in trying or buying Vijournal then go to http://www.skoobysoft.com/ and check out their entire software product range.


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sat May  8 02:00:49 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 11:00:49 +1000
Subject: Vijournal still exploring and discovering
In-Reply-To: <845753DE-38AD-4AE6-BACC-CBDECC74B7B2@gmail.com>
References: <88108120-EAD6-4513-94DD-64905D69F7F3@internode.on.net>
	<845753DE-38AD-4AE6-BACC-CBDECC74B7B2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <91A4DAF4-2E63-499E-ADE2-BE3B239732F4@internode.on.net>

Haven't compared it with Mac Journal but I can certainly compare it to Marsedit as I use both here myself.

Put simply they are 2 very different applications, Marsedit is indeed a true blogging application and the blogging functions of Vijournal don't even attempt to mimic those of Marsedit, in other words the Blog features of Vijournal are just an "Add-on", a way to publish your journal quickly ad easily whereas the blogging/editing/publishing functions of Marsedit are more thorough.

There's a new version of Marsedit out by the way.


On 08/05/2010, at 10:25 AM, Jim Gatteys wrote:

> Hi, have you compared this app with Mac Journal or Marsedit?
> Just curious about the differences.
> Jim
> 
> On May 7, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I wrote about this excellent piece of software 2 days ago.  Since then I've been using the application and I purchased it but let me assure you that Vijournal is far more than the old fassioned diary one buys at a news agent where you make your journal out page-by-page day-by-day.  You can for example insert audio or video clips for each daily journal entry, I can see excellent uses for this facility in my daily life, suppose I manage to catch up with family members - in some cases that's no mean feat these days - I can not only write about the happy event that took place on a particular day but I can also capture the event in words and pictures.
>> 
>> Are you a musician? Need to keep track of your composition on a day-by-day basis as it takes shape? No problem! import it into Itunes and insert an "Itunes Marker" into your daily Vojournal as the song changes.
>> 
>> Is your life more complex than one journal? Suppose for example you not only wish to take notes on your personal life for your organisation but you're also running a research project or you wish to take notes on that special software you're writing as it evolves? No problem! keep all your Vijournals separate or integrate them all at a later stage.
>> 
>> Want to show your friend over the other side of the world how much progress you've made with your project? Then email your friend all or part of any journal your keeping, blog it, print it an so on.
>> 
>> So where does this all stop? I'll keep you posted <smile> but in the meantime - if you're interested in trying or buying Vijournal then go to http://www.skoobysoft.com/ and check out their entire software product range.
> 
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From jgatteys at gmail.com  Sat May  8 02:53:22 2010
From: jgatteys at gmail.com (Jim Gatteys)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 20:53:22 -0500
Subject: Vijournal still exploring and discovering
In-Reply-To: <91A4DAF4-2E63-499E-ADE2-BE3B239732F4@internode.on.net>
References: <88108120-EAD6-4513-94DD-64905D69F7F3@internode.on.net>
	<845753DE-38AD-4AE6-BACC-CBDECC74B7B2@gmail.com>
	<91A4DAF4-2E63-499E-ADE2-BE3B239732F4@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <BBEF77B8-BF35-4B6A-A2D6-A6F798322732@gmail.com>

Yeah I just upgraded.  It seems pretty cool and lots of fun features.  I was using mac journal for the most part but I might have to give Marsedit another shot. They are two different apps as well but both really good.  And since I'm mentioning my favorite software, Mac Gourmet is great--made by the same people who do Mac Journal.  Well, the add ons are, and the original software is done by another company.  Kind of confusing.
Jim

On May 7, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Haven't compared it with Mac Journal but I can certainly compare it to Marsedit as I use both here myself.
> 
> Put simply they are 2 very different applications, Marsedit is indeed a true blogging application and the blogging functions of Vijournal don't even attempt to mimic those of Marsedit, in other words the Blog features of Vijournal are just an "Add-on", a way to publish your journal quickly ad easily whereas the blogging/editing/publishing functions of Marsedit are more thorough.
> 
> There's a new version of Marsedit out by the way.
> 

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From support at mac-access.net  Sat May  8 06:53:11 2010
From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 06:53:11 +0100
Subject: New Member Welcome
Message-ID: <D81B380B-59D7-4D3C-8382-067E95F3AD7A@mac-access.net>

Hello everybody

Firstly, I apologise for not doing this sooner. Gordon's having problems again and we fear it might result in another hospital stay shortly. Bug that's our problem, not yours. :-)

It is traditional when a new member joins our group for us to welcome that new member personally. In keeping with that tradition, I would like to welcome Jim to our group.

In here, Jim, you'll find a host of highly skilled and well informed individuals. No matter what your level of skill or experience with the Mac, or any other apple products, please feel free to post your questions and or comments.

Should you experience issues with the list, we're here to help. Please contact us off list with any issues. Either ourselves at support at mac-access.net or our emergency moderator Anne Robertson who you can reach at ann at anarchie.org.uk and we'll be pleased to help.

Again Jim, welcome and we hope you find this service of value.

Lynne



From cjsims3000 at gmail.com  Sat May  8 07:48:58 2010
From: cjsims3000 at gmail.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 16:48:58 +1000
Subject: Snowleopard and Adding/removing items from Doc
In-Reply-To: <201005071914.o47JEJkv000454@x.it.okstate.edu>
References: <201005071914.o47JEJkv000454@x.it.okstate.edu>
Message-ID: <41708B96-7800-4E51-87C4-1902F77E2DF3@gmail.com>

Hi.  If you want to keep an item in the dock, do the following.  open the program that you want to keep in the dock. Move to the dock and find said program, use Vo M to bring up the menu.  From there, go to the options menu.  You will find what you need in there.  
Christopher Sims
cjsims3000 at gmail.com
facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 

On 08/05/2010, at 5:14 AM, Martin McCormick wrote:

> How does one add a new application to the doc using Voiceover
> in Snowleopard? I discoverdd that the keyboard sequence that
> wored in Leopard doesn't work in Snowleopard and I can't seem to
> find a how-to that covers this issue.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
> Systems Engineer
> OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sat May  8 09:16:08 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 18:16:08 +1000
Subject: Switching Meyboard, monitor and mouse between machines
Message-ID: <41932554-9A0B-41E8-9410-6082E54DB9B9@internode.on.net>

Hi!

Someone mentioned this on list a couple of days ago.

caught up with a friend of mine today and he showed me a device which does exactly that, switches his keyboard, printer, monitor and mouse -- as well as extra devices - between 4 Macs.

The box is inteligent, that is to say it comes with an infra red remote control or you can use the keyboard to switch machines, say type the ctrl key twice and then enter the number or preset code of the machine you wish to switch to, that's "auto" mode where everything is switched at once.

My friend will send me more data on this device later on today so I'll forward it to the list, I'm anxious to get this piece of equipment myself here as I could easily find a use for it.



From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May  8 09:36:34 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 09:36:34 +0100
Subject: KVM
In-Reply-To: <41932554-9A0B-41E8-9410-6082E54DB9B9@internode.on.net>
References: <41932554-9A0B-41E8-9410-6082E54DB9B9@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <A24C1D00-5301-48C7-AE12-BA1C756A20FB@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 8 May 2010, at 09:16, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Someone mentioned this on list a couple of days ago.

That "someone" was myself. So thanks. If you find out more I'd be interested.

It may be overkill for what we need, although maybe it will be a worth while investment.

All we want is a KVM, nothing more. The frills aren't necessary. But, if the price is right.

Lynne


From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Sat May  8 11:54:54 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 11:54:54 +0100
Subject: New Member Welcome
In-Reply-To: <D81B380B-59D7-4D3C-8382-067E95F3AD7A@mac-access.net>
References: <D81B380B-59D7-4D3C-8382-067E95F3AD7A@mac-access.net>
Message-ID: <9E3B4149-C950-46BC-A143-AAC3BD3861CC@gmail.com>

Hi Jim, 

Nice to see you on here. 
TC

On 8 May 2010, at 06:53, Gordon & Lynne Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> Firstly, I apologise for not doing this sooner. Gordon's having problems again and we fear it might result in another hospital stay shortly. Bug that's our problem, not yours. :-)
> 
> It is traditional when a new member joins our group for us to welcome that new member personally. In keeping with that tradition, I would like to welcome Jim to our group.
> 
> In here, Jim, you'll find a host of highly skilled and well informed individuals. No matter what your level of skill or experience with the Mac, or any other apple products, please feel free to post your questions and or comments.
> 
> Should you experience issues with the list, we're here to help. Please contact us off list with any issues. Either ourselves at support at mac-access.net or our emergency moderator Anne Robertson who you can reach at ann at anarchie.org.uk and we'll be pleased to help.
> 
> Again Jim, welcome and we hope you find this service of value.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
> 
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> 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Sat May  8 11:56:20 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 11:56:20 +0100
Subject: Snowleopard and Adding/removing items from Doc
In-Reply-To: <41708B96-7800-4E51-87C4-1902F77E2DF3@gmail.com>
References: <201005071914.o47JEJkv000454@x.it.okstate.edu>
	<41708B96-7800-4E51-87C4-1902F77E2DF3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <878F57F9-D397-4F4A-920E-AF02A1F212D7@gmail.com>

Hi Chris, 

Doh!! I forgot to write VO Shift M  when I replied to that E-Mail.
Thanks for reminding me
TC
On 8 May 2010, at 07:48, Christopher Sims wrote:

> Hi.  If you want to keep an item in the dock, do the following.  open the program that you want to keep in the dock. Move to the dock and find said program, use Vo M to bring up the menu.  From there, go to the options menu.  You will find what you need in there.  
> Christopher Sims
> cjsims3000 at gmail.com
> facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
> skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 
> 
> On 08/05/2010, at 5:14 AM, Martin McCormick wrote:
> 
>> How does one add a new application to the doc using Voiceover
>> in Snowleopard? I discoverdd that the keyboard sequence that
>> wored in Leopard doesn't work in Snowleopard and I can't seem to
>> find a how-to that covers this issue.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
>> Systems Engineer
>> OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
>> 
>> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
>> 
>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free!
>> 
>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at:
>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sat May  8 12:00:22 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 21:00:22 +1000
Subject: Bug in Marsedit
Message-ID: <FF5F46B0-BE0D-4634-89BE-8E923568B8F1@internode.on.net>

Hi!

There seems to be a bug in the latest version of Marsedit, I've had the application crash when I try to delete characters when editing a blog entry.  I've contacted the developer and he's aware of the problem, should be fixed soon.

In other news I've been in touch with the developers of Tables, if you're thinking of importing Excel spreadsheets into tables from Office 2007 or later then forget it, according to the author of Tables, the ability to import these files would require a "complete rewrite" of the software and he isn't prepared to do this so the solution? Well, to export to another format which Tables will accept such as an earlier version of Excel, a delimited file etc.



From support at tft-bbs.com  Sat May  8 18:44:05 2010
From: support at tft-bbs.com (Gordon & Lynne Smith)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 18:44:05 +0100
Subject: Website Maintenance
Message-ID: <F0296519-A4A7-4336-A57B-BBB9D494FE2C@tft-bbs.com>

Hello everybody

As our situation allows, Gordon is doing some work to improve various aspects of the mailing list sections of our primary website.

To the best of our knowledge, the mailing lists page located at http://www.tft-bbs.co.uk/Mailing-Lists.html is fully functional. So please feel free to direct any potential new list members there if they are looking for the easiest way to join any of our lists.

The email list porta, where you can find detailed help on the use of server control commands, plus links to the info pages and administration interfaces hosted on our servers, is currently undergoing maintenance by Gordon, our webmaster.

We are aware that the page currently contains a number of errors because of the recent changes we made to the layout of the server. Gordon is working to correct those errors now and we will advise you when the work is complete.

When this is done we urge members to make use of the list portal as it will help you if you need to modify your subscription options to any of our email lists and provide a detailed explanation of how to use each command; including syntactical examples.

Lynne



From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May  8 18:52:03 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 18:52:03 +0100
Subject: Bug in Marsedit
In-Reply-To: <FF5F46B0-BE0D-4634-89BE-8E923568B8F1@internode.on.net>
References: <FF5F46B0-BE0D-4634-89BE-8E923568B8F1@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <D381CD11-DD3D-43EE-A53A-59DA959E8A03@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 8 May 2010, at 12:00, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? There seems to be a bug in the latest version of Marsedit, I've had the application crash when I try to delete characters when editing a blog entry.  I've contacted the developer and he's aware of the problem, should be fixed soon.

As we're working on implementing blogs on our server, is this editor freeware and, if so, or if it's reasonably priced shareware, where is it located? I guess I could google it.

? In other news I've been in touch with the developers of Tables, if you're thinking of importing Excel spreadsheets into tables from Office 2007 or later then forget it, according to the author of Tables, the ability to import these files would require a "complete rewrite" of the software and he isn't prepared to do this so the solution? Well, to export to another format which Tables will accept such as an earlier version of Excel, a delimited file etc.

Trust Microsoft to do things the non-standard way. Or else, is it that Tables just isn't fully implemented; I don't know. But either way, another solution might be, if you have it, to import the file into Numbers and then re-save it as a standard spreadsheet. Assuming, of course, Numbers supports the new format.

Lynne



From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Sat May  8 21:35:55 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 21:35:55 +0100
Subject: My IPhone cannot see my Mac's wireless network
Message-ID: <0A092A25-665D-48ED-B067-C50C3AC1FAC7@gmail.com>

Hi list, 

I'm sorry if this is not the right place for this. If i am in error please let me now. 

I would like to use the Wi-Fi feature on my IPhone. However, despite providing all the necessary info for my network, IPhone claims it is unable to see it. Could my network be hidden? If so, how can I allow IPhone to see it. I am very new to all this networking stuff, although I am learning slowly.

Thanks for any advice.
TC
James 

From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sat May  8 23:21:48 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 08:21:48 +1000
Subject: Bug In Marsedit
In-Reply-To: <D381CD11-DD3D-43EE-A53A-59DA959E8A03@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <FF5F46B0-BE0D-4634-89BE-8E923568B8F1@internode.on.net>
	<D381CD11-DD3D-43EE-A53A-59DA959E8A03@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <96079AB0-085C-4F71-89AC-BC096404EF5B@internode.on.net>

Yep, the web site for Marsedit is http://www.red-sweater.com/marsedit/

As for saving spreadsheets into other formats which Tables will accept? Open Office certainly supports Excel 2007 and later formats so you could load and save to another format through that, probably worth it as the navigation and accessibility of Tables with Spreadsheets is - in my opinion - about the best you're likely to get right now. <smile>.


On 09/05/2010, at 3:52 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 8 May 2010, at 12:00, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> ? There seems to be a bug in the latest version of Marsedit, I've had the application crash when I try to delete characters when editing a blog entry.  I've contacted the developer and he's aware of the problem, should be fixed soon.
> 
> As we're working on implementing blogs on our server, is this editor freeware and, if so, or if it's reasonably priced shareware, where is it located? I guess I could google it.
> 
> ? In other news I've been in touch with the developers of Tables, if you're thinking of importing Excel spreadsheets into tables from Office 2007 or later then forget it, according to the author of Tables, the ability to import these files would require a "complete rewrite" of the software and he isn't prepared to do this so the solution? Well, to export to another format which Tables will accept such as an earlier version of Excel, a delimited file etc.
> 
> Trust Microsoft to do things the non-standard way. Or else, is it that Tables just isn't fully implemented; I don't know. But either way, another solution might be, if you have it, to import the file into Numbers and then re-save it as a standard spreadsheet. Assuming, of course, Numbers supports the new format.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
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From moriond at mac.com  Sat May  8 22:34:39 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Sat, 08 May 2010 11:34:39 -1000
Subject: My IPhone cannot see my Mac's wireless network
In-Reply-To: <0A092A25-665D-48ED-B067-C50C3AC1FAC7@gmail.com>
References: <0A092A25-665D-48ED-B067-C50C3AC1FAC7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CB699E60-398E-4A00-BEB2-802A71A156F7@mac.com>

Hi James,

The first question is whether you have turned your iPhone's Wi-Fi on  
(smile).  Make sure that you do not have Airplane mode enabled, and go  
to Settings > Wi-Fi. If you touch or flick to "Wi-Fi" at the top of  
the Wi-Fi Networks screen, then flick right to the switch, does  
VoiceOver say "Switch, button off, double tap to toggle settings"?  If  
so, you need to double tap when focus is on the switch, so that when  
you flick to the switch, VO says "Switch, button on". Then your  
network should appear in the listed entries under  the "Choose a  
Network" heading, and you can double tap to select the network you  
wish to join.

Your iPhone will not see your wireless network if you have set the  
network up as a private network so that it doesn't broadcast its  
SSID.  Here's the link to the Apple Knowledge Base Article:
? iPhone and iPod Touch: Troubleshooting Wi-Fi networks and  
connections
http://support.apple.com/kb/ts1398
If you've set up your wireless network this way you'll have to  
manually join the network by going to Settings > Wi-Fi > Other and  
then enter the name, security, and password.  Unfortunately, I think  
you'll have to go through this procedure to type in the password each  
time in that case, since the network is supposed to be "hidden".  The  
WiFiTrak app that I have can see hidden networks and remember their  
passwords, once entered, as well as give information on the signal  
strength, channel, and security method used by each detected WiFi  
network it finds.  However, since Apple removed all WiFi sniffer apps  
from the App Store in early March, I don't know whether an alternative  
solution exists for you if your network is hidden. You may just have  
to type in a password each time you join the network in that case.

HTH

Best,

Esther

James & Nash wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> I'm sorry if this is not the right place for this. If i am in error  
> please let me now.
>
> I would like to use the Wi-Fi feature on my IPhone. However, despite  
> providing all the necessary info for my network, IPhone claims it is  
> unable to see it. Could my network be hidden? If so, how can I allow  
> IPhone to see it. I am very new to all this networking stuff,  
> although I am learning slowly.
>
> Thanks for any advice.
> TC
> James


From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Sat May  8 23:52:02 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 23:52:02 +0100
Subject: My IPhone cannot see my Mac's wireless network
In-Reply-To: <CB699E60-398E-4A00-BEB2-802A71A156F7@mac.com>
References: <0A092A25-665D-48ED-B067-C50C3AC1FAC7@gmail.com>
	<CB699E60-398E-4A00-BEB2-802A71A156F7@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2FCD5A6D-1AEC-4793-8E0B-28F192E8BBCD@gmail.com>

Hi Esther, 

Thank you for your excellent response as always. 

Yes smile, my Wi-Fi is on.. I am now attempting to add the IPhone as a trusted evice to my settings. Failing  this, I'll broadcast the name of the SSID for a short while. 

Thank you too for the article. Unfortunately, I've already read it, and it did not seem to help. 

TC
James 
On 8 May 2010, at 22:34, Esther wrote:

> Hi James,
> 
> The first question is whether you have turned your iPhone's Wi-Fi on (smile).  Make sure that you do not have Airplane mode enabled, and go to Settings > Wi-Fi. If you touch or flick to "Wi-Fi" at the top of the Wi-Fi Networks screen, then flick right to the switch, does VoiceOver say "Switch, button off, double tap to toggle settings"?  If so, you need to double tap when focus is on the switch, so that when you flick to the switch, VO says "Switch, button on". Then your network should appear in the listed entries under  the "Choose a Network" heading, and you can double tap to select the network you wish to join.
> 
> Your iPhone will not see your wireless network if you have set the network up as a private network so that it doesn't broadcast its SSID.  Here's the link to the Apple Knowledge Base Article:
> ? iPhone and iPod Touch: Troubleshooting Wi-Fi networks and connections
> http://support.apple.com/kb/ts1398
> If you've set up your wireless network this way you'll have to manually join the network by going to Settings > Wi-Fi > Other and then enter the name, security, and password.  Unfortunately, I think you'll have to go through this procedure to type in the password each time in that case, since the network is supposed to be "hidden".  The WiFiTrak app that I have can see hidden networks and remember their passwords, once entered, as well as give information on the signal strength, channel, and security method used by each detected WiFi network it finds.  However, since Apple removed all WiFi sniffer apps from the App Store in early March, I don't know whether an alternative solution exists for you if your network is hidden. You may just have to type in a password each time you join the network in that case.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Best,
> 
> Esther
> 
> James & Nash wrote:
> 
>> Hi list,
>> 
>> I'm sorry if this is not the right place for this. If i am in error please let me now.
>> 
>> I would like to use the Wi-Fi feature on my IPhone. However, despite providing all the necessary info for my network, IPhone claims it is unable to see it. Could my network be hidden? If so, how can I allow IPhone to see it. I am very new to all this networking stuff, although I am learning slowly.
>> 
>> Thanks for any advice.
>> TC
>> James
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sun May  9 02:23:09 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 11:23:09 +1000
Subject: 24 Hours with the iPad
Message-ID: <A7773C41-A016-4A78-9F80-1E169A95846A@internode.on.net>

Here's a link to an extremely good review of the Ipad
http://www.afb.org/afbpress/pub.asp?DocID=aw110206


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May  9 05:52:51 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 05:52:51 +0100
Subject: My IPhone cannot see my Mac's wireless network
In-Reply-To: <0A092A25-665D-48ED-B067-C50C3AC1FAC7@gmail.com>
References: <0A092A25-665D-48ED-B067-C50C3AC1FAC7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6FD1C18A-81AB-4A88-8C91-2BA50ABD9285@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello James

On 8 May 2010, at 21:35, James & Nash wrote:

? I'm sorry if this is not the right place for this. If i am in error please let me now. 

As the list owner, or 1 of them, I can promise you that this is absolutely and utterly the right place for this.

The goal of this group is to help members with and to discuss anything Apple. As we state in the list policy document:

"Although accessibility is the primary purpose of this list, it is by no means the only one". You may find this document at:
http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/Mac-Access-Welcome.html

Please feel free to contact us off list should you have any concerns. The address is support at mac-access.net or, alternatively, anne at anarchie.org.uk if you feel more comfortable dealing with our excellent moderator, Anne Robertson.

Gordon and I are here to help; we're always willing to listen to constructive comments and even constructive criticism.

? I would like to use the Wi-Fi feature on my IPhone. However, despite providing all the necessary info for my network, IPhone claims it is unable to see it. Could my network be hidden? If so, how can I allow IPhone to see it. I am very new to all this networking stuff, although I am learning slowly.

Make sure you provide the right ID if it's hidden. Use the "scan for networks" function and that way you can determine the situation.

Are you using DHCP on your network I wonder? I could be wrong; but I think this is a must-have for the iPhone and iPod Touch.

Lynne



From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May  9 05:59:51 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 05:59:51 +0100
Subject: Bug In Marsedit
In-Reply-To: <96079AB0-085C-4F71-89AC-BC096404EF5B@internode.on.net>
References: <FF5F46B0-BE0D-4634-89BE-8E923568B8F1@internode.on.net>
	<D381CD11-DD3D-43EE-A53A-59DA959E8A03@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<96079AB0-085C-4F71-89AC-BC096404EF5B@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <7A490709-4198-4EEF-AB7B-419040727FEF@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 8 May 2010, at 23:21, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Yep, the web site for Marsedit is http://www.red-sweater.com/marsedit/

Thanks; I'll investigate.

? As for saving spreadsheets into other formats which Tables will accept? Open Office certainly supports Excel 2007 and later formats so you could load and save to another format through that, probably worth it as the navigation and accessibility of Tables with Spreadsheets is - in my opinion - about the best you're likely to get right now. <smile>.

I suppose it depends on what you have available. We are a little reluctant to install OpenOffice because last time we did it made some pretty spectacular screw-ups to other aspects of our system.

So I think perhaps we'll stick with Pages and Numbers which, from what I've seen, seems fine for our needs. We don't have the problem which you highlighted with Microsoft trash, so it doesn't impact on us directly in any way at all.

That said, I think Tables might be worth a look at because there are accessibility navigation restrictions, as you've pointed out in the passed, with Numbers.

As Gordon gets more involved again with my business venture, this kind of access might become crucial and it's probably as well to be prepared.

That said, regarding Open office, I might just install it on an external drive to try it as it has a DAILY plugin and other than using a VM for that and only that, I cannot find another viable Mac-based alternative.

Greg what's his name just doesn't respond to me any longer; so I can only assume he can't or won't help.

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sun May  9 06:20:30 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 15:20:30 +1000
Subject: XLD question
Message-ID: <030D4C1E-3F85-44A3-9BF0-243AB8926738@internode.on.net>

Hi!

was playing with XLD yesterday and I've come across something which has me stumped.  I know I can edit the track data of an audio CD but how does one edit the data such as CD Artist, CD Title and so on?



From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May  9 07:29:29 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 07:29:29 +0100
Subject: XLD question
In-Reply-To: <030D4C1E-3F85-44A3-9BF0-243AB8926738@internode.on.net>
References: <030D4C1E-3F85-44A3-9BF0-243AB8926738@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <4851D0A4-A7CE-42E9-AE08-511568C9D713@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 9 May 2010, at 06:20, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Hi!

was playing with XLD yesterday and I've come across something which has me stumped.  I know I can edit the track data of an audio CD but how does one edit the data such as CD Artist, CD Title and so on?
Highlight one of your tracks and use VO+Shift+M to open the context menu. Cursor up once to Edit Information and you'll see what you need.

Lynne


From support at tft-bbs.com  Sun May  9 07:37:56 2010
From: support at tft-bbs.com (Gordon & Lynne Smith)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 07:37:56 +0100
Subject: List Portal Complete
Message-ID: <213181BB-2ED6-40B6-AA50-B8DB24AA892E@tft-bbs.com>

Hello everybody

We have just completed the work on the List Portal guide update, and would very much appreciate comment as to the worth, navigability and general accessibility of this guide.

To recap; this is a guide which attempts to provide a comprehensive breakdown of the commands used to control our email server with regards your list subscriptions.

Actually, since our list manager is generally compatible with other servers you'll find on the Internet, as it's very widely used, you may find it of use elsewhere as well.

What we're looking for is constructive comment as to how we can improve things, if at all. Whether you find it accessible using your browser and screen-reader, where appropriate, things like that.

The guide contains lists of commands, and sublists of command arguments and sub-commands. Each list and item is also navigable by heading as well as list item, which should make things easier for those who are trying to scroll down to a certain command.

If you'd be willing to take a few moments to review this document and give us your opinion, that would be very much appreciated. Just a sidenote; if you're an American and notice that some spellings look strange, we're adhering to the British English dictionary, not the US English one.

The guide may be found here, and please accept our thanks for any reviews and comments.
http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/List-Portal.html

Lynne



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sun May  9 13:34:59 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 22:34:59 +1000
Subject: XLD question
In-Reply-To: <4851D0A4-A7CE-42E9-AE08-511568C9D713@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <030D4C1E-3F85-44A3-9BF0-243AB8926738@internode.on.net>
	<4851D0A4-A7CE-42E9-AE08-511568C9D713@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6DA18BDD-0E63-4A4F-AE4A-560BAB3E9967@internode.on.net>

Right I hear what you're saying but this doesn't work here, I get several options and they are, Check Selected Items, Uncheck Selected Items, Check All Items, Uncheck All Items and Edit Metadata.  When I select this option all the tracks are presented for my editing and manipulation and not! it seems the actual CD title, Artist and things I wish to manipulate.


On 09/05/2010, at 4:29 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 9 May 2010, at 06:20, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> was playing with XLD yesterday and I've come across something which has me stumped.  I know I can edit the track data of an audio CD but how does one edit the data such as CD Artist, CD Title and so on?
> Highlight one of your tracks and use VO+Shift+M to open the context menu. Cursor up once to Edit Information and you'll see what you need.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
> 
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> 
> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at:
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Sun May  9 16:24:10 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 16:24:10 +0100
Subject: My IPhone cannot see my Mac's wireless network
In-Reply-To: <6FD1C18A-81AB-4A88-8C91-2BA50ABD9285@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <0A092A25-665D-48ED-B067-C50C3AC1FAC7@gmail.com>
	<6FD1C18A-81AB-4A88-8C91-2BA50ABD9285@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <748EB4C8-108D-45D5-9E9B-B152B64346F4@gmail.com>

Thanks Lynne, 

I think you might be on to something with the DHCP comment. Where do I find this in the IPHone please I can't remember. 
hanks
TC
James
On 9 May 2010, at 05:52, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello James
> 
> On 8 May 2010, at 21:35, James & Nash wrote:
> 
> ? I'm sorry if this is not the right place for this. If i am in error please let me now. 
> 
> As the list owner, or 1 of them, I can promise you that this is absolutely and utterly the right place for this.
> 
> The goal of this group is to help members with and to discuss anything Apple. As we state in the list policy document:
> 
> "Although accessibility is the primary purpose of this list, it is by no means the only one". You may find this document at:
> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/Mac-Access-Welcome.html
> 
> Please feel free to contact us off list should you have any concerns. The address is support at mac-access.net or, alternatively, anne at anarchie.org.uk if you feel more comfortable dealing with our excellent moderator, Anne Robertson.
> 
> Gordon and I are here to help; we're always willing to listen to constructive comments and even constructive criticism.
> 
> ? I would like to use the Wi-Fi feature on my IPhone. However, despite providing all the necessary info for my network, IPhone claims it is unable to see it. Could my network be hidden? If so, how can I allow IPhone to see it. I am very new to all this networking stuff, although I am learning slowly.
> 
> Make sure you provide the right ID if it's hidden. Use the "scan for networks" function and that way you can determine the situation.
> 
> Are you using DHCP on your network I wonder? I could be wrong; but I think this is a must-have for the iPhone and iPod Touch.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
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> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May  9 19:28:42 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 19:28:42 +0100
Subject: XLD question
In-Reply-To: <6DA18BDD-0E63-4A4F-AE4A-560BAB3E9967@internode.on.net>
References: <030D4C1E-3F85-44A3-9BF0-243AB8926738@internode.on.net>
	<4851D0A4-A7CE-42E9-AE08-511568C9D713@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<6DA18BDD-0E63-4A4F-AE4A-560BAB3E9967@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <509FFACA-527F-4413-9916-2891BE130466@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

When you edit a CD, you can only do so track by track. There is no way to edit an album on block.

Lynne


On 9 May 2010, at 13:34, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Right I hear what you're saying but this doesn't work here, I get several options and they are, Check Selected Items, Uncheck Selected Items, Check All Items, Uncheck All Items and Edit Metadata.  When I select this option all the tracks are presented for my editing and manipulation and not! it seems the actual CD title, Artist and things I wish to manipulate.


On 09/05/2010, at 4:29 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 9 May 2010, at 06:20, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> was playing with XLD yesterday and I've come across something which has me stumped.  I know I can edit the track data of an audio CD but how does one edit the data such as CD Artist, CD Title and so on?
> Highlight one of your tracks and use VO+Shift+M to open the context menu. Cursor up once to Edit Information and you'll see what you need.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
> 
> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free!
> 
> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at:
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May  9 19:32:07 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 19:32:07 +0100
Subject: My IPhone cannot see my Mac's wireless network
In-Reply-To: <748EB4C8-108D-45D5-9E9B-B152B64346F4@gmail.com>
References: <0A092A25-665D-48ED-B067-C50C3AC1FAC7@gmail.com>
	<6FD1C18A-81AB-4A88-8C91-2BA50ABD9285@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<748EB4C8-108D-45D5-9E9B-B152B64346F4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B6744224-EEB4-44A9-B0DC-3E18F78E1601@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello James

On 9 May 2010, at 16:24, James & Nash wrote:

? Thanks Lynne, 

? I think you might be on to something with the DHCP comment. Where do I find this in the IPHone please I can't remember. 

I don't think you can change this on the ipone. So you'd need to make sure your network has its DHCP server turned on for it to work. I'm only drawing here on what my other half who is our resident expert in this area is telling me.

Buy default, most routers do have this turned on. So in all probability, unless you have manually changed the option, that won't be your issue.

I just suggested it in case you had.

Lynne



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May  9 20:04:02 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 20:04:02 +0100
Subject: XLD
Message-ID: <AD1E82F6-4499-493A-A6D2-27C4FE8050BF@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Just to clarify, and expand on what Lynne tried to put across earlier which she obviously didn't manage to get through.

There is no way, using XLD, to mass-edit the metadata of an album.  You have to do it on a per-track basis.

So, Dane, what my other half is telling youis quite correct, whether you believe her or not.  The edit metadata option is the only way, pure and simple.

If you don't have the patience to edit your tracvks one-by-one, then XLD isn't for you I guess.  I agree it's a bind.  But that said we always edit like that anyway because some of the idiots who submit CD data you simply cannot rely on.  And although it's fussy in some people's view, we want our rips to be right.

Some, as I said, don't have the patience to do the job properly, and that's their right.  But there it is.  I suggest that people contact the developers of XLD to make the point about mass editing though as I agree, it can be a pain in the proverbial.

Gordon



From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Sun May  9 20:29:32 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 20:29:32 +0100
Subject: My IPhone cannot see my Mac's wireless network
In-Reply-To: <B6744224-EEB4-44A9-B0DC-3E18F78E1601@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <0A092A25-665D-48ED-B067-C50C3AC1FAC7@gmail.com>
	<6FD1C18A-81AB-4A88-8C91-2BA50ABD9285@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<748EB4C8-108D-45D5-9E9B-B152B64346F4@gmail.com>
	<B6744224-EEB4-44A9-B0DC-3E18F78E1601@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A18EDA1A-5690-4D2D-B63B-22260BA4AFF3@gmail.com>

Hi Lynne, 

Unfortunately this does not seem to be an issue. I don't think the phone is broken because it can find the network. It must be a setting on my system.
TC
James 
On 9 May 2010, at 19:32, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello James
> 
> On 9 May 2010, at 16:24, James & Nash wrote:
> 
> ? Thanks Lynne, 
> 
> ? I think you might be on to something with the DHCP comment. Where do I find this in the IPHone please I can't remember. 
> 
> I don't think you can change this on the ipone. So you'd need to make sure your network has its DHCP server turned on for it to work. I'm only drawing here on what my other half who is our resident expert in this area is telling me.
> 
> Buy default, most routers do have this turned on. So in all probability, unless you have manually changed the option, that won't be your issue.
> 
> I just suggested it in case you had.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
> 
> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free!
> 
> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at:
> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May  9 20:55:39 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 20:55:39 +0100
Subject: My IPhone cannot see my Mac's wireless network
In-Reply-To: <A18EDA1A-5690-4D2D-B63B-22260BA4AFF3@gmail.com>
References: <0A092A25-665D-48ED-B067-C50C3AC1FAC7@gmail.com>
	<6FD1C18A-81AB-4A88-8C91-2BA50ABD9285@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<748EB4C8-108D-45D5-9E9B-B152B64346F4@gmail.com>
	<B6744224-EEB4-44A9-B0DC-3E18F78E1601@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<A18EDA1A-5690-4D2D-B63B-22260BA4AFF3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A7A537E5-CD7E-4128-A582-0B23D0311B37@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello James

On 9 May 2010, at 20:29, James & Nash wrote:

? Unfortunately this does not seem to be an issue. I don't think the phone is broken because it can find the network. It must be a setting on my system.

I'm not suggesting your phone is broken. I was suggesting that maybe you were not using automatic address translation on your system. But if you're not broadcasting the ID of your network you'll have to insert it manually. We had to do that because our network uses enterprise security.

We have a very complex system actually because we have a Speedcom router and 2 Time Capsules bridged on the same wireless network. Each device does a specific job and only opne of them has its DHCP enabled. That device allows the iPhone and iPod Touch, plus our old Nokia N82 to connect to our wider network. The network has 2 public Internet access points with static IP addresses. One does the server stuff and one the client. So Gordon had to set up a very sophisticated routing table to ensure that things go where they are meant to go.

The iPhone might be prompting you for a password, I don't know. But you must have your DHCP enabled or it won't work even if it sees the network.

Lynne


From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Sun May  9 21:48:41 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Sun, 9 May 2010 21:48:41 +0100
Subject: My IPhone cannot see my Mac's wireless network
In-Reply-To: <A7A537E5-CD7E-4128-A582-0B23D0311B37@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Hi Lynne, 

Sorry, I know you weren't suggesting that the phone was broken, but I was worried that it might have been. 
On 9 May 2010, at 20:55, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello James
> 
> On 9 May 2010, at 20:29, James & Nash wrote:
> 
> ? Unfortunately this does not seem to be an issue. I don't think the phone is broken because it can find the network. It must be a setting on my system.
> 
> I'm not suggesting your phone is broken. I was suggesting that maybe you were not using automatic address translation on your system. But if you're not broadcasting the ID of your network you'll have to insert it manually. We had to do that because our network uses enterprise security.
> 
> We have a very complex system actually because we have a Speedcom router and 2 Time Capsules bridged on the same wireless network. Each device does a specific job and only opne of them has its DHCP enabled. That device allows the iPhone and iPod Touch, plus our old Nokia N82 to connect to our wider network. The network has 2 public Internet access points with static IP addresses. One does the server stuff and one the client. So Gordon had to set up a very sophisticated routing table to ensure that things go where they are meant to go.
> 
> The iPhone might be prompting you for a password, I don't know. But you must have your DHCP enabled or it won't work even if it sees the network.
> 
> Lynne
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Mon May 10 01:08:03 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:08:03 +1000
Subject: XLD
In-Reply-To: <AD1E82F6-4499-493A-A6D2-27C4FE8050BF@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <AD1E82F6-4499-493A-A6D2-27C4FE8050BF@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill <smile>.

Its quite obvious that what your other half says is perfectly true! I was asking if it could be done and obviously the editing of album info can't be done which is a short coming of the XLD software so I hope the developer will rectify this problem in a future update.


On 10/05/2010, at 5:04 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Just to clarify, and expand on what Lynne tried to put across earlier which she obviously didn't manage to get through.
> 
> There is no way, using XLD, to mass-edit the metadata of an album.  You have to do it on a per-track basis.
> 
> So, Dane, what my other half is telling youis quite correct, whether you believe her or not.  The edit metadata option is the only way, pure and simple.
> 
> If you don't have the patience to edit your tracvks one-by-one, then XLD isn't for you I guess.  I agree it's a bind.  But that said we always edit like that anyway because some of the idiots who submit CD data you simply cannot rely on.  And although it's fussy in some people's view, we want our rips to be right.
> 
> Some, as I said, don't have the patience to do the job properly, and that's their right.  But there it is.  I suggest that people contact the developers of XLD to make the point about mass editing though as I agree, it can be a pain in the proverbial.
> 
> Gordon
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Mon May 10 02:20:25 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:20:25 +1000
Subject: 1 Password Applicaiton
Message-ID: <28CADF24-A206-460A-9AE2-3A02E06CD582@internode.on.net>

Hi!

Before I go any further on this topic, I wasn't aware that 1 Password was also available for the Iphone, ripper! just hope its accessible <smile>.

A major update to the 1 Password Mac application was released on 27 April 2010, was only alerted to this when I opened the 1 Password application to do some editing and so on.

I also discovered that you can "import" your passwords and other protected data from one machine running 1 Password to another so this I'm sure will make deployment of 1 Password over a network a breeze, you only have to remember your "Master password" and if you can't do that then the whole thing is absolutely useless <smile>.

Now just to recap on what 1 Password does or some of what it does, in its most basic form the 1 Password application can remember logins to your favourite web sites, you can have 1 Password enter the login automatically for you when you reach the site or have 1 Password manually enter the data by use of a shortcut, pressing the "log-in" button on the toolbar after selecting the login information pertaining to that web site etc.

So what's the benefit? The main one being that your data is encripted so its kept away from prying eyes, no cookies needed and so on.

As I say, that's 1 Password in its very basic form, the software can automate the filling of forms such as those found at stores where goods are purchased and so on.

You can find out more about the product at http://www.1password.com



From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 10 07:43:18 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 07:43:18 +0100
Subject: XLD
In-Reply-To: <573448CF-E65A-4A8B-8F64-3653390C3A53@internode.on.net>
References: <AD1E82F6-4499-493A-A6D2-27C4FE8050BF@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<573448CF-E65A-4A8B-8F64-3653390C3A53@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <3577F36E-073C-4E35-A6CC-A56B34AA74E4@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 10 May 2010, at 01:08, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill <smile>.

I don't think that's very fare, to be honest. I answered your question; You came back with a query. Gordon then tried to further address your query by telling you that the mass editing of metadata isn't possible, currently.

Therefore, between us, we answered you your question and your follow-up comment.  So no, I don't think Gordon is out of order at all.

Lynne


From richard at godfrey-mckay.co.uk  Mon May 10 10:07:39 2010
From: richard at godfrey-mckay.co.uk (Richard Godfrey-McKay)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 10:07:39 +0100
Subject: MAC VOICES
In-Reply-To: <213181BB-2ED6-40B6-AA50-B8DB24AA892E@tft-bbs.com>
References: <213181BB-2ED6-40B6-AA50-B8DB24AA892E@tft-bbs.com>
Message-ID: <8EB0A230B7A7416486A4D5CF2D079584@richard040c386>

Hi, 

As someone at the stage of trying to decide whether to make the switch to a
Mac, I seem to have hit an early problem which I'd very much like to solve.


I currently use JAWS, and have become very used to the crispness and
precision of the Eloquence speech.  The Mac voices I have heard appear to be
more human, but to lack that precision and crispness.  Have others found
this to be a problem, and if so, how have they dealt with it?

With thanks,

Richard 
Richard Godfrey-McKay
Telephone: 01738-445 880
Mobile: 07791 452 593


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Mon May 10 11:52:22 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:52:22 +1000
Subject: Audio Timer
Message-ID: <99DD3C9C-91B1-4CBB-8AF0-659F9B6B9554@internode.on.net>

Hi!

There's a very nice Iphone App I like called Audio Timer, in basic terms it behaves like many of those old talking clocks we had where the countdown timer talked every minute, in the case of Audio Timer the amount of remaining time spoken and its interval can be controlled and you can have a click for every second counted down.

So I'm wondering, is there a similar app for the Mac itself?

I use Audio Timer for so many things, the obvious being cooking.



From martin at x.it.okstate.edu  Mon May 10 14:16:29 2010
From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 08:16:29 -0500
Subject: Snowleopard and Adding/removing items from Doc 
Message-ID: <201005101316.o4ADGTo2019143@x.it.okstate.edu>

Christopher Sims writes:
> Hi.  If you want to keep an item in the dock, do the following.  open the 
> program that you want to keep in the dock. Move to the dock and find said 
> program, use Vo M to bring up the menu.  From there, go to the options 
> menu.  You will find what you need in there.

	My Mac is at work so I was unable to try this until this
Monday morning, but I did try this procedure but with the
VO-Shift-m as another poster reminded. I had never used this
particular procedure before and it works perfectly. Thanks to
everyone.

Martin McCormick

From jgatteys at gmail.com  Mon May 10 17:36:14 2010
From: jgatteys at gmail.com (Jim Gatteys)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:36:14 -0500
Subject: MAC VOICES
In-Reply-To: <8EB0A230B7A7416486A4D5CF2D079584@richard040c386>
References: <213181BB-2ED6-40B6-AA50-B8DB24AA892E@tft-bbs.com>
	<8EB0A230B7A7416486A4D5CF2D079584@richard040c386>
Message-ID: <B2D6F4CC-68C1-4197-8C3D-0ADA3B11367E@gmail.com>

Hi!
I've used Alex for the past two years and love it.  I don't have a problem with his voice quality and have listened to him for hours at a time.  I think that with all the other positive benefits of switching to a mac I wouldn't let the voice throw me off such a good machine.
Jim

On May 10, 2010, at 4:07 AM, Richard Godfrey-McKay wrote:

> Hi, 
> 
> As someone at the stage of trying to decide whether to make the switch to a
> Mac, I seem to have hit an early problem which I'd very much like to solve.
> 
> 
> I currently use JAWS, and have become very used to the crispness and
> precision of the Eloquence speech.  The Mac voices I have heard appear to be
> more human, but to lack that precision and crispness.  Have others found
> this to be a problem, and if so, how have they dealt with it?
> 
> With thanks,
> 
> Richard 
> Richard Godfrey-McKay
> Telephone: 01738-445 880
> Mobile: 07791 452 593
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 10 18:44:07 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:44:07 +0100
Subject: MAC VOICES
In-Reply-To: <8EB0A230B7A7416486A4D5CF2D079584@richard040c386>
References: <213181BB-2ED6-40B6-AA50-B8DB24AA892E@tft-bbs.com>
	<8EB0A230B7A7416486A4D5CF2D079584@richard040c386>
Message-ID: <E78C6F63-71A6-4045-9492-CA33BADE3376@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Richard

On 10 May 2010, at 10:07, Richard Godfrey-McKay wrote:

? As someone at the stage of trying to decide whether to make the switch to a
Mac, I seem to have hit an early problem which I'd very much like to solve.

I can recommend the Infovox foices. They're magic and they are the best speech on the planet for any computer system.

Lynne


From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk  Mon May 10 20:15:53 2010
From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:15:53 +0100
Subject: MAC VOICES
In-Reply-To: <E78C6F63-71A6-4045-9492-CA33BADE3376@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <213181BB-2ED6-40B6-AA50-B8DB24AA892E@tft-bbs.com>
	<8EB0A230B7A7416486A4D5CF2D079584@richard040c386>
	<E78C6F63-71A6-4045-9492-CA33BADE3376@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C2CE659B-945A-4AEF-B62E-8E890D64AFCD@hopewell.org.uk>

Hello Richard, 
I too used Eloquence on Windows for many years before moving to a MAC. Like Lyne I use the InfoVox UK English voices. They are very good for reading  long text documents but in my opinion are not as good as Eloquence for reading character by character or for reading obscure words such as variable names in computer programs. I also sometimes have to reread the odd sentence in say a received Email where the context does not make it obvious which of several possible alternatives a word might be. If Eloquence were available on MAC I would certainly go for it. I have also tried the Cepstral voices but they currently do not work on Snow Leopard and are also not as good as either Eloquence or InfoVox. 

However I am still very happy to have Moved from Windows to MAC and can put up with the occasional lack of precision in the Alex and InfoVox voices. 
  
Paul Hopewell 
hopewell at hopewell.org.uk
On 10 May 2010, at 18:44, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Richard
> 
> On 10 May 2010, at 10:07, Richard Godfrey-McKay wrote:
> 
> ? As someone at the stage of trying to decide whether to make the switch to a
> Mac, I seem to have hit an early problem which I'd very much like to solve.
> 
> I can recommend the Infovox foices. They're magic and they are the best speech on the planet for any computer system.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 10 21:15:14 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:15:14 +0100
Subject: MAC VOICES
In-Reply-To: <C2CE659B-945A-4AEF-B62E-8E890D64AFCD@hopewell.org.uk>
References: <213181BB-2ED6-40B6-AA50-B8DB24AA892E@tft-bbs.com>
	<8EB0A230B7A7416486A4D5CF2D079584@richard040c386>
	<E78C6F63-71A6-4045-9492-CA33BADE3376@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<C2CE659B-945A-4AEF-B62E-8E890D64AFCD@hopewell.org.uk>
Message-ID: <160DA9FD-A76F-418F-86AF-A89EFA7A060E@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Paul

On 10 May 2010, at 20:15, Paul Hopewell wrote:

? I too used Eloquence on Windows for many years before moving to a MAC. Like Lyne I use the InfoVox UK English voices. They are very good for reading  long text documents but in my opinion are not as good as Eloquence for reading character by character or for reading obscure words such as variable names in computer programs. I also sometimes have to reread the odd sentence in say a received Email where the context does not make it obvious which of several possible alternatives a word might be. If Eloquence were available on MAC I would certainly go for it. I have also tried the Cepstral voices but they currently do not work on Snow Leopard and are also not as good as either Eloquence or InfoVox. 

You also need to be aware that, as with Alex and VoiceOver in general, there is the pronunciation editor for Infovox. People often just expect everything to work out of the box. But with a little tweaking you can get it the way you like it.

I personally don't use it because I have my vision. But Gordon does use it and, when I am experimenting with VoiceOver, it is our default voice.

? However I am still very happy to have Moved from Windows to MAC and can put up with the occasional lack of precision in the Alex and InfoVox voices. 

I think, to be honest, it's important not to draw too many comparisons. You're talking abouit 2 completely different systems. Eloquance, from what I've heard of it, is dreadful. Dectalk is even worse.

When Gordon used Windows, he used the Scansoft voices. They are better than anything, except for Infovox Desktop for Windows. But Infovox for Windows is horrendously expensive and licensed on a per-machine basis.

And finally, I think it's only fair to point out that there are many voices for Infovox. If you're using the Lucy or Peter voices, I urge you to try Rachel. Rachel is a more modern variant of Lucy and has far better verbalisation in many cases than either Lucy, Peter or, for that matter, Graham.

Lucy isn't under development any more either, as Rachel has taken her place. Poor pushed-out Lucy; how hurt her feelings must be. :-)

Just my little view for whatever it's worth.

Lynne


From jgatteys at gmail.com  Mon May 10 21:19:45 2010
From: jgatteys at gmail.com (Jim Gatteys)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 15:19:45 -0500
Subject: MAC VOICES
In-Reply-To: <160DA9FD-A76F-418F-86AF-A89EFA7A060E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <213181BB-2ED6-40B6-AA50-B8DB24AA892E@tft-bbs.com>
	<8EB0A230B7A7416486A4D5CF2D079584@richard040c386>
	<E78C6F63-71A6-4045-9492-CA33BADE3376@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<C2CE659B-945A-4AEF-B62E-8E890D64AFCD@hopewell.org.uk>
	<160DA9FD-A76F-418F-86AF-A89EFA7A060E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B9E3355A-0EB7-4963-912B-9E78EE11944A@gmail.com>

Hi!
Where do you purchase the infovox voices and what kind of price tag do they have with them?
Thanks,
Jim

On May 10, 2010, at 3:15 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Paul
> 
> On 10 May 2010, at 20:15, Paul Hopewell wrote:
> 
> ? I too used Eloquence on Windows for many years before moving to a MAC. Like Lyne I use the InfoVox UK English voices. They are very good for reading  long text documents but in my opinion are not as good as Eloquence for reading character by character or for reading obscure words such as variable names in computer programs. I also sometimes have to reread the odd sentence in say a received Email where the context does not make it obvious which of several possible alternatives a word might be. If Eloquence were available on MAC I would certainly go for it. I have also tried the Cepstral voices but they currently do not work on Snow Leopard and are also not as good as either Eloquence or InfoVox. 
> 
> You also need to be aware that, as with Alex and VoiceOver in general, there is the pronunciation editor for Infovox. People often just expect everything to work out of the box. But with a little tweaking you can get it the way you like it.
> 
> I personally don't use it because I have my vision. But Gordon does use it and, when I am experimenting with VoiceOver, it is our default voice.
> 
> ? However I am still very happy to have Moved from Windows to MAC and can put up with the occasional lack of precision in the Alex and InfoVox voices. 
> 
> I think, to be honest, it's important not to draw too many comparisons. You're talking abouit 2 completely different systems. Eloquance, from what I've heard of it, is dreadful. Dectalk is even worse.
> 
> When Gordon used Windows, he used the Scansoft voices. They are better than anything, except for Infovox Desktop for Windows. But Infovox for Windows is horrendously expensive and licensed on a per-machine basis.
> 
> And finally, I think it's only fair to point out that there are many voices for Infovox. If you're using the Lucy or Peter voices, I urge you to try Rachel. Rachel is a more modern variant of Lucy and has far better verbalisation in many cases than either Lucy, Peter or, for that matter, Graham.
> 
> Lucy isn't under development any more either, as Rachel has taken her place. Poor pushed-out Lucy; how hurt her feelings must be. :-)
> 
> Just my little view for whatever it's worth.
> 
> Lynne
> 


From richard at godfrey-mckay.co.uk  Mon May 10 21:25:12 2010
From: richard at godfrey-mckay.co.uk (Richard Godfrey-McKay)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:25:12 +0100
Subject: MAC VOICES
In-Reply-To: <160DA9FD-A76F-418F-86AF-A89EFA7A060E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <213181BB-2ED6-40B6-AA50-B8DB24AA892E@tft-bbs.com><8EB0A230B7A7416486A4D5CF2D079584@richard040c386><E78C6F63-71A6-4045-9492-CA33BADE3376@tft-bbs.co.uk><C2CE659B-945A-4AEF-B62E-8E890D64AFCD@hopewell.org.uk>
	<160DA9FD-A76F-418F-86AF-A89EFA7A060E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CE58EB10A521407B8E5935200E02B8AE@richard040c386>

Thank you all for your comments.  The problem for me is that I'm a
solicitor, and have been very used to the precision of Eloquence, when
reading long and complicated documents.  Somehow it was just so easy to pick
out the typos.   

Will have to experiment and see what is best for what I need.
Thanks for the input,

Richard 

Richard Godfrey-McKay
Telephone: 01738-445 880
Mobile: 07791 452 593

-----Original Message-----
From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette
Annabel Smith
Sent: 10 May 2010 21:15
To: Mac OSX, iPhone OS Accessibility
Subject: Re: MAC VOICES

Hello Paul

On 10 May 2010, at 20:15, Paul Hopewell wrote:

. I too used Eloquence on Windows for many years before moving to a MAC.
Like Lyne I use the InfoVox UK English voices. They are very good for
reading  long text documents but in my opinion are not as good as Eloquence
for reading character by character or for reading obscure words such as
variable names in computer programs. I also sometimes have to reread the odd
sentence in say a received Email where the context does not make it obvious
which of several possible alternatives a word might be. If Eloquence were
available on MAC I would certainly go for it. I have also tried the Cepstral
voices but they currently do not work on Snow Leopard and are also not as
good as either Eloquence or InfoVox. 

You also need to be aware that, as with Alex and VoiceOver in general, there
is the pronunciation editor for Infovox. People often just expect everything
to work out of the box. But with a little tweaking you can get it the way
you like it.

I personally don't use it because I have my vision. But Gordon does use it
and, when I am experimenting with VoiceOver, it is our default voice.

. However I am still very happy to have Moved from Windows to MAC and can
put up with the occasional lack of precision in the Alex and InfoVox voices.


I think, to be honest, it's important not to draw too many comparisons.
You're talking abouit 2 completely different systems. Eloquance, from what
I've heard of it, is dreadful. Dectalk is even worse.

When Gordon used Windows, he used the Scansoft voices. They are better than
anything, except for Infovox Desktop for Windows. But Infovox for Windows is
horrendously expensive and licensed on a per-machine basis.

And finally, I think it's only fair to point out that there are many voices
for Infovox. If you're using the Lucy or Peter voices, I urge you to try
Rachel. Rachel is a more modern variant of Lucy and has far better
verbalisation in many cases than either Lucy, Peter or, for that matter,
Graham.

Lucy isn't under development any more either, as Rachel has taken her place.
Poor pushed-out Lucy; how hurt her feelings must be. :-)

Just my little view for whatever it's worth.

Lynne

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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 10 21:26:02 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:26:02 +0100
Subject: MAC VOICES
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Hello Jim

On 10 May 2010, at 21:19, Jim Gatteys wrote:

? Where do you purchase the infovox voices and what kind of price tag do they have with them?

I forget the prices; but you can find them at http://www.assistiveware.com

I hope that helps.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 10 21:27:30 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:27:30 +0100
Subject: MAC VOICES
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Hello Richard

On 10 May 2010, at 21:25, Richard Godfrey-McKay wrote:

? Thank you all for your comments.  The problem for me is that I'm a
solicitor, and have been very used to the precision of Eloquence, when
reading long and complicated documents.  Somehow it was just so easy to pick
out the typos.   

Please go and look at the demo of iVox, or I can send you a private demo if you send me some text.

Lynne


Will have to experiment and see what is best for what I need.
Thanks for the input,

Richard 

Richard Godfrey-McKay
Telephone: 01738-445 880
Mobile: 07791 452 593

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From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net
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Annabel Smith
Sent: 10 May 2010 21:15
To: Mac OSX, iPhone OS Accessibility
Subject: Re: MAC VOICES

Hello Paul

On 10 May 2010, at 20:15, Paul Hopewell wrote:

. I too used Eloquence on Windows for many years before moving to a MAC.
Like Lyne I use the InfoVox UK English voices. They are very good for
reading  long text documents but in my opinion are not as good as Eloquence
for reading character by character or for reading obscure words such as
variable names in computer programs. I also sometimes have to reread the odd
sentence in say a received Email where the context does not make it obvious
which of several possible alternatives a word might be. If Eloquence were
available on MAC I would certainly go for it. I have also tried the Cepstral
voices but they currently do not work on Snow Leopard and are also not as
good as either Eloquence or InfoVox. 

You also need to be aware that, as with Alex and VoiceOver in general, there
is the pronunciation editor for Infovox. People often just expect everything
to work out of the box. But with a little tweaking you can get it the way
you like it.

I personally don't use it because I have my vision. But Gordon does use it
and, when I am experimenting with VoiceOver, it is our default voice.

. However I am still very happy to have Moved from Windows to MAC and can
put up with the occasional lack of precision in the Alex and InfoVox voices.


I think, to be honest, it's important not to draw too many comparisons.
You're talking abouit 2 completely different systems. Eloquance, from what
I've heard of it, is dreadful. Dectalk is even worse.

When Gordon used Windows, he used the Scansoft voices. They are better than
anything, except for Infovox Desktop for Windows. But Infovox for Windows is
horrendously expensive and licensed on a per-machine basis.

And finally, I think it's only fair to point out that there are many voices
for Infovox. If you're using the Lucy or Peter voices, I urge you to try
Rachel. Rachel is a more modern variant of Lucy and has far better
verbalisation in many cases than either Lucy, Peter or, for that matter,
Graham.

Lucy isn't under development any more either, as Rachel has taken her place.
Poor pushed-out Lucy; how hurt her feelings must be. :-)

Just my little view for whatever it's worth.

Lynne

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From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Mon May 10 22:15:16 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 23:15:16 +0200
Subject: MAC VOICES
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Hello Richard,

I'm a translator, so precision is important to me. I use the Mac voice Fred because it does not have the problems of the more sophisticated voices. It's very responsive and accurate. It isn't pretty, but that's not what I need for my work.

Personally, I can't stand Alex. I use the Infovox iVox voices for reading long documents, and, of course, for reading the source text in French as there is no Apple French voice.

Cheers,

Anne


On May 10, 2010, at 10:25 PM, Richard Godfrey-McKay wrote:

> Thank you all for your comments.  The problem for me is that I'm a
> solicitor, and have been very used to the precision of Eloquence, when
> reading long and complicated documents.  Somehow it was just so easy to pick
> out the typos.   
> 
> Will have to experiment and see what is best for what I need.
> Thanks for the input,
> 
> Richard 
> 
> Richard Godfrey-McKay
> Telephone: 01738-445 880
> Mobile: 07791 452 593
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette
> Annabel Smith
> Sent: 10 May 2010 21:15
> To: Mac OSX, iPhone OS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: MAC VOICES
> 
> Hello Paul
> 
> On 10 May 2010, at 20:15, Paul Hopewell wrote:
> 
> . I too used Eloquence on Windows for many years before moving to a MAC.
> Like Lyne I use the InfoVox UK English voices. They are very good for
> reading  long text documents but in my opinion are not as good as Eloquence
> for reading character by character or for reading obscure words such as
> variable names in computer programs. I also sometimes have to reread the odd
> sentence in say a received Email where the context does not make it obvious
> which of several possible alternatives a word might be. If Eloquence were
> available on MAC I would certainly go for it. I have also tried the Cepstral
> voices but they currently do not work on Snow Leopard and are also not as
> good as either Eloquence or InfoVox. 
> 
> You also need to be aware that, as with Alex and VoiceOver in general, there
> is the pronunciation editor for Infovox. People often just expect everything
> to work out of the box. But with a little tweaking you can get it the way
> you like it.
> 
> I personally don't use it because I have my vision. But Gordon does use it
> and, when I am experimenting with VoiceOver, it is our default voice.
> 
> . However I am still very happy to have Moved from Windows to MAC and can
> put up with the occasional lack of precision in the Alex and InfoVox voices.
> 
> 
> I think, to be honest, it's important not to draw too many comparisons.
> You're talking abouit 2 completely different systems. Eloquance, from what
> I've heard of it, is dreadful. Dectalk is even worse.
> 
> When Gordon used Windows, he used the Scansoft voices. They are better than
> anything, except for Infovox Desktop for Windows. But Infovox for Windows is
> horrendously expensive and licensed on a per-machine basis.
> 
> And finally, I think it's only fair to point out that there are many voices
> for Infovox. If you're using the Lucy or Peter voices, I urge you to try
> Rachel. Rachel is a more modern variant of Lucy and has far better
> verbalisation in many cases than either Lucy, Peter or, for that matter,
> Graham.
> 
> Lucy isn't under development any more either, as Rachel has taken her place.
> Poor pushed-out Lucy; how hurt her feelings must be. :-)
> 
> Just my little view for whatever it's worth.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From profhero1 at mac.com  Mon May 10 21:29:32 2010
From: profhero1 at mac.com (Tom Sullivan)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:29:32 -0700
Subject: MAC VOICES
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Here's the link for Infovox:

http://www.assistiveware.com/infovox_ivox.php


On May 10, 2010, at 1:27 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Richard
> 
> On 10 May 2010, at 21:25, Richard Godfrey-McKay wrote:
> 
> ? Thank you all for your comments.  The problem for me is that I'm a
> solicitor, and have been very used to the precision of Eloquence, when
> reading long and complicated documents.  Somehow it was just so easy to pick
> out the typos.   
> 
> Please go and look at the demo of iVox, or I can send you a private demo if you send me some text.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
> Will have to experiment and see what is best for what I need.
> Thanks for the input,
> 
> Richard 
> 
> Richard Godfrey-McKay
> Telephone: 01738-445 880
> Mobile: 07791 452 593
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette
> Annabel Smith
> Sent: 10 May 2010 21:15
> To: Mac OSX, iPhone OS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: MAC VOICES
> 
> Hello Paul
> 
> On 10 May 2010, at 20:15, Paul Hopewell wrote:
> 
> . I too used Eloquence on Windows for many years before moving to a MAC.
> Like Lyne I use the InfoVox UK English voices. They are very good for
> reading  long text documents but in my opinion are not as good as Eloquence
> for reading character by character or for reading obscure words such as
> variable names in computer programs. I also sometimes have to reread the odd
> sentence in say a received Email where the context does not make it obvious
> which of several possible alternatives a word might be. If Eloquence were
> available on MAC I would certainly go for it. I have also tried the Cepstral
> voices but they currently do not work on Snow Leopard and are also not as
> good as either Eloquence or InfoVox. 
> 
> You also need to be aware that, as with Alex and VoiceOver in general, there
> is the pronunciation editor for Infovox. People often just expect everything
> to work out of the box. But with a little tweaking you can get it the way
> you like it.
> 
> I personally don't use it because I have my vision. But Gordon does use it
> and, when I am experimenting with VoiceOver, it is our default voice.
> 
> . However I am still very happy to have Moved from Windows to MAC and can
> put up with the occasional lack of precision in the Alex and InfoVox voices.
> 
> 
> I think, to be honest, it's important not to draw too many comparisons.
> You're talking abouit 2 completely different systems. Eloquance, from what
> I've heard of it, is dreadful. Dectalk is even worse.
> 
> When Gordon used Windows, he used the Scansoft voices. They are better than
> anything, except for Infovox Desktop for Windows. But Infovox for Windows is
> horrendously expensive and licensed on a per-machine basis.
> 
> And finally, I think it's only fair to point out that there are many voices
> for Infovox. If you're using the Lucy or Peter voices, I urge you to try
> Rachel. Rachel is a more modern variant of Lucy and has far better
> verbalisation in many cases than either Lucy, Peter or, for that matter,
> Graham.
> 
> Lucy isn't under development any more either, as Rachel has taken her place.
> Poor pushed-out Lucy; how hurt her feelings must be. :-)
> 
> Just my little view for whatever it's worth.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk  Mon May 10 23:15:52 2010
From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 23:15:52 +0100
Subject: MAC VOICES
In-Reply-To: <160DA9FD-A76F-418F-86AF-A89EFA7A060E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <A00FF045-8173-4555-B285-E134195DE9F7@hopewell.org.uk>

Hello Lyne, 
I have indeed tried all the UK English infoVox MAC voices and like Rachel best. I am thus pleased to hear that Rachel is still under development. I have also tried the pronunciation editor. This is fine for correcting the pronunciation of specific words by word substitution but I cannot see how to use it to correct systemic problems such as the poor pronunciation of some individual characters or the tendency to truncate the endings of words. Does Gordon use the pronunciation editor in a more sophisticated way e.g. the phoneme editor? 
Meanwhile I will try Anne's recommendation of the MAC Fred voice when accuracy is essential. 
I guess in the end it all boils down to personal preference. 
All the best....
  
Paul Hopewell 
On 10 May 2010, at 21:15, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Paul
> 
> On 10 May 2010, at 20:15, Paul Hopewell wrote:
> 
> ? I too used Eloquence on Windows for many years before moving to a MAC. Like Lyne I use the InfoVox UK English voices. They are very good for reading  long text documents but in my opinion are not as good as Eloquence for reading character by character or for reading obscure words such as variable names in computer programs. I also sometimes have to reread the odd sentence in say a received Email where the context does not make it obvious which of several possible alternatives a word might be. If Eloquence were available on MAC I would certainly go for it. I have also tried the Cepstral voices but they currently do not work on Snow Leopard and are also not as good as either Eloquence or InfoVox. 
> 
> You also need to be aware that, as with Alex and VoiceOver in general, there is the pronunciation editor for Infovox. People often just expect everything to work out of the box. But with a little tweaking you can get it the way you like it.
> 
> I personally don't use it because I have my vision. But Gordon does use it and, when I am experimenting with VoiceOver, it is our default voice.
> 
> ? However I am still very happy to have Moved from Windows to MAC and can put up with the occasional lack of precision in the Alex and InfoVox voices. 
> 
> I think, to be honest, it's important not to draw too many comparisons. You're talking abouit 2 completely different systems. Eloquance, from what I've heard of it, is dreadful. Dectalk is even worse.
> 
> When Gordon used Windows, he used the Scansoft voices. They are better than anything, except for Infovox Desktop for Windows. But Infovox for Windows is horrendously expensive and licensed on a per-machine basis.
> 
> And finally, I think it's only fair to point out that there are many voices for Infovox. If you're using the Lucy or Peter voices, I urge you to try Rachel. Rachel is a more modern variant of Lucy and has far better verbalisation in many cases than either Lucy, Peter or, for that matter, Graham.
> 
> Lucy isn't under development any more either, as Rachel has taken her place. Poor pushed-out Lucy; how hurt her feelings must be. :-)
> 
> Just my little view for whatever it's worth.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 11 02:03:13 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 02:03:13 +0100
Subject: MAC VOICES
In-Reply-To: <A00FF045-8173-4555-B285-E134195DE9F7@hopewell.org.uk>
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Hello Paul

On 10 May 2010, at 23:15, Paul Hopewell wrote:

? I have indeed tried all the UK English infoVox MAC voices and like Rachel best. I am thus pleased to hear that Rachel is still under development. I have also tried the pronunciation editor. This is fine for correcting the pronunciation of specific words by word substitution but I cannot see how to use it to correct systemic problems such as the poor pronunciation of some individual characters or the tendency to truncate the endings of words. Does Gordon use the pronunciation editor in a more sophisticated way e.g. the phoneme editor? 
Meanwhile I will try Anne's recommendation of the MAC Fred voice when accuracy is essential. 
I guess in the end it all boils down to personal preference. 

Yes, there are some problems with iVox; I don't think anybody would deny that. And yes, Gordon has used the phonem editor successfully. For example, he managed to change the pronunciation of DVD Remaster from a cluttered word, DVDREMASTER to the correct one of "DVD REE Master". It's quite complex, but all of the sounds are listed if you look in the editor.

In respect of accuracy, Gordon is fortunate; he has Braille. So if it becomes necessary and Rachel doesn't pronounce something properly, he has it at his fingertips anyway.

I know not everybody is so lucky and I wish they were. Braille terminals are horrendously expensive and I think it is an outrage that blind people are being ripped off in such a way. But that's a discussion for another time and place. :-)

Lynne



From n0oxy at charter.net  Tue May 11 03:07:59 2010
From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:07:59 -0500
Subject: MAC VOICES
In-Reply-To: <8EB0A230B7A7416486A4D5CF2D079584@richard040c386>
References: <213181BB-2ED6-40B6-AA50-B8DB24AA892E@tft-bbs.com>
	<8EB0A230B7A7416486A4D5CF2D079584@richard040c386>
Message-ID: <62001B92-7A9B-4297-9FC2-616D7E5858CD@charter.net>

Hi, the voice that would sound the most like eloquence is probably Fred. I use Alex mostly, and for reading, I like it. Eloquence does not work on the mac, but the many benefits of switching to the mac far outweigh that.
On May 10, 2010, at 4:07 AM, Richard Godfrey-McKay wrote:

> Hi, 
> 
> As someone at the stage of trying to decide whether to make the switch to a
> Mac, I seem to have hit an early problem which I'd very much like to solve.
> 
> 
> I currently use JAWS, and have become very used to the crispness and
> precision of the Eloquence speech.  The Mac voices I have heard appear to be
> more human, but to lack that precision and crispness.  Have others found
> this to be a problem, and if so, how have they dealt with it?
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 11 03:36:33 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 03:36:33 +0100
Subject: MAC VOICES
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Hello Mike

On 11 May 2010, at 03:07, Mike Arrigo wrote:

? Hi, the voice that would sound the most like eloquence is probably Fred. I use Alex mostly, and for reading, I like it. Eloquence does not work on the mac, but the many benefits of switching to the mac far outweigh that.

I'm guessing you're an American Mike, is that righty? It's very easy for US American voice users to overlook the fact that people from other countries prefer voices in their own localisations and, often, that is an important factor because of pronunciation differences.

Fred is, to my ears, utterly horrible. When I listened to it during Gordon's installation of OSX a while ago on our friend Gillian's machine, that was more than enough for me.

Alex, I find unbearable as well I'm afraid because the American accent is way overdone.

Don't get me wrong; I have nothing against American voices, real American voices I mean. But I cannot abide artificial ones.

This is just me and, I'm sure, the Americans on list might have a similar view of British voices. It's all a matter of what you're used too and how you perceive things I guess. But my point here is that the American voices that Apple produce aren't for everybody.

As for the benefits of switching, I totally agree with you there. The benefits of switching are too numerous to mention here; but it's the best thing we ever did in our computing lives.

Lynne


From martin at x.it.okstate.edu  Tue May 11 03:43:04 2010
From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:43:04 -0500
Subject: raidutil from Command Line
Message-ID: <201005110243.o4B2h46T024448@x.it.okstate.edu>

	I have been trying to setup a level 1 raid and am a
little confused about what the system is telling me. If I run

raidutil list driveinfo

I get the following:

Drives  Raidset       Size      Flags
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Bay #1  RS1             1.00TB   IsMemberOfRAIDSet:RS1 IsReliable
Bay #2  RS2             1.00TB   IsMemberOfRAIDSet:RS2 IsReliable
Bay #3  JBODSet1      500.11GB   IsMemberOfRAIDSet:JBODSet1 IsReliable IsJBOD

	That 3RD drive is really not going to be part of the
raid and I do understand what that line is stating. jbod means
"just a bunch of disks" The raid 1 should be a mirroring setup
in which each drive is a copy of the other.

	What I don't understand is the raid set designation. The
first drive is RS1 and the second drive is RS2. I think they are
supposed to be part of the same raid set to make the raid 1
configuration.

	This Mac was shipped with the raid card and the 2 1TB
drives but the end user must tell the system what kind of raid
he or she wants since one can use both drives as one large drive
in a raid 0 or both drives in a mirroring setup as a raid 1
which is what I am trying to do.

	This is a case of almost but not quite knowing what I am
doing. That third or jbod drive was removed from a dead Mac and
added to this system for extra temporary large file storage so
the only two raid drives will be the 2 1TB drives.

	Thanks for any information that helps clear up some of
the confusion.

Martin McCormick

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 11 06:15:00 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 06:15:00 +0100
Subject: raidutil from Command Line
In-Reply-To: <201005110243.o4B2h46T024448@x.it.okstate.edu>
References: <201005110243.o4B2h46T024448@x.it.okstate.edu>
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Hi Martin

This is only supported by Mac Pro's so I'm not able to directly help you.  But I'm a little confused by your term "Level 1".  Are you talking about a software RAID array here, or hardware?

As I'm sure you know there are differences.

Gordon

On 11 May 2010, at 03:43, Martin McCormick wrote:

	I have been trying to setup a level 1 raid and am a
little confused about what the system is telling me. If I run

raidutil list driveinfo

I get the following:

Drives  Raidset       Size      Flags
-----------------------------------------------------------------
Bay #1  RS1             1.00TB   IsMemberOfRAIDSet:RS1 IsReliable
Bay #2  RS2             1.00TB   IsMemberOfRAIDSet:RS2 IsReliable
Bay #3  JBODSet1      500.11GB   IsMemberOfRAIDSet:JBODSet1 IsReliable IsJBOD

	That 3RD drive is really not going to be part of the
raid and I do understand what that line is stating. jbod means
"just a bunch of disks" The raid 1 should be a mirroring setup
in which each drive is a copy of the other.

	What I don't understand is the raid set designation. The
first drive is RS1 and the second drive is RS2. I think they are
supposed to be part of the same raid set to make the raid 1
configuration.

	This Mac was shipped with the raid card and the 2 1TB
drives but the end user must tell the system what kind of raid
he or she wants since one can use both drives as one large drive
in a raid 0 or both drives in a mirroring setup as a raid 1
which is what I am trying to do.

	This is a case of almost but not quite knowing what I am
doing. That third or jbod drive was removed from a dead Mac and
added to this system for extra temporary large file storage so
the only two raid drives will be the 2 1TB drives.

	Thanks for any information that helps clear up some of
the confusion.

Martin McCormick
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 11 06:19:38 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 06:19:38 +0100
Subject: Amadeus Pro and OSX 10.6.3
Message-ID: <2B44EFF9-89D5-46F8-89DB-B8B6952F2C3D@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

Is anybody finding that this utility is extremely flakey when you directly open an audio file from the finder and have Amadeus set as the default application?  I'm noticing that, the first time in each OSX session I open this type of file, Amadeus is coming up in an invisible window and, in actual fact, is an unresponsive application.  I have to force quit the app and relaunch.  Very annoying.

Gordon


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 11 06:46:04 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 06:46:04 +0100
Subject: Alternative editors
Message-ID: <3A5D972F-8551-4C8F-93F6-9C4E0C9EDB74@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all.

OK, I just lost patience with Amadeus Pro.  I'm sure others use it, like it, rave about it.  But for me, the simplest processes of editing audio with Amadeus Pro are way way way too messy.  Markers here, markers there ... markers, markers everywhere!  Move head here, move head there, move insertion head every darn where!

Yes, it has its advantages I'm sure.  But really, the process of selecting and cutting audio samples with Amadeus Pro is just overly lengthy and creates more hassles than are necessary.

Personally, I just don't get it as to why he's felt it necessary to move away from the standard cut, copy and select processes universal throughout most of the operating system.  For instance, in TextEdit, Pages, Nisus Writer Pro and most other editors which spring immediately to mind, one can select ones text using shift+cursor keys.  In most other audio editors, one can move around the file with the cursor keys and insert markers where one wants them.  One can even select blocks of audio without the need to waste time synchronising heads, setting markers and all that stuff.

SSo, if you want to trim a block of audio at the start of your file, for instance, in Amadeus Pro, you seem to have to set markers at the start of the file, then select a portion of audio using the plain unmodified cursor keys, then synchronise your heads, set another marker to your end position and then finally snip what you want to snip, copy it, cut it or whatever else it.  What a tedious method of editing.

Now, I'm used to using twin and even triple-head tape decks. Not cassette decks, proper professional tape decks.  I did so for years in a studio environment.  Editing using a twin or triple-head tape deck is a breeze in comparison to Amadeus Pro.  You don't have to fool around synchronising heads all the time, because your heads are always in sync anyway.

Maybe I'm missing the point here, but in a single-track environment, why on earth must you have a twin-head software editor?  It would surely be more sensible to provide a mechanism to either turn off that irritating insertion head altogether, or have them automatically synchronised as you move around which, unless something odd is going on here, they don't appear to be.

Say what you like about Sound Forge and Cool Edit for Windows.  Yes, they were bulky and had some very irritating drawbacks.  Sound Forge was as unstable as hell in the later versions, certainly since Sony got their grubby mits on it at any rate.  But editing with Sound Forge was a breeze.  None of this silly enforced twin-head nonsense.  Twin head systems have their place, no doubt about that.  But this, in my opinion, is not one of them.

I'm currently trying to complete a project for my other half, and am going to have to go out now I think and find a proper audio editor. At least, one which actually does what it should do in single-track mode.

One thing I don't like about of lot of Mac-based audio editors is this zoom in/out mechanism by which you determine the length of the block of audio that each "tap' of the cursor keys move by.  It seems very much trial and error.  Sound Studio uses that mechanism and it is one reason why I stopped using that as an editor.

Anyway, I'm rambling now.  Undoubtedly there will be those who flame me for my comments.  Undoubtedly there will be those who disagree with them.  That's fine, this isn't a personal thing.  It's just based on observations.


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 11 06:57:20 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 15:57:20 +1000
Subject: Amadeus Pro and OSX 10.6.3
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No not at all! its something I do all the time here.


On 11/05/2010, at 3:19 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Is anybody finding that this utility is extremely flakey when you directly open an audio file from the finder and have Amadeus set as the default application?  I'm noticing that, the first time in each OSX session I open this type of file, Amadeus is coming up in an invisible window and, in actual fact, is an unresponsive application.  I have to force quit the app and relaunch.  Very annoying.
> 
> Gordon
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 11 07:11:58 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:11:58 +0100
Subject: Amadeus Pro and OSX 10.6.3
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Right, well it's just happened here 4 times on the trot so it seems that my theory about the new session thing was wrong.

Come back Sound Studio, all is forgiven.  My other message on this topic demonstrates my frustration with Amadeus Pro.  I'm aware that there are things it does well, and yes, if you want multi-track editing there's no doubt it comes into its own.  In fact, I can actually see some instances where it would come in very useful in single track mode.  But if you want to get the job of a simple edit done quickly, and you're not fortunate to have unlimited leisure time, I don't think it's the way to go.

On 11 May 2010, at 06:57, Dane Trethowan wrote:

No not at all! its something I do all the time here.


On 11/05/2010, at 3:19 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Is anybody finding that this utility is extremely flakey when you directly open an audio file from the finder and have Amadeus set as the default application?  I'm noticing that, the first time in each OSX session I open this type of file, Amadeus is coming up in an invisible window and, in actual fact, is an unresponsive application.  I have to force quit the app and relaunch.  Very annoying.
> 
> Gordon
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 11 07:15:56 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:15:56 +1000
Subject: Editing Sound on the Mac
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I have no problems with Sound Studio whatever as far as editing goes but they still haven't fixed one very annoying bug, when you select effects and go to adjust them, Voiceover keeps saying busy, busy, busy so that's a real pain, just about give up making adjustments there.

Sound Studio also does multi track editing but I've never been able to get this to work.


On 11/05/2010, at 4:11 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Right, well it's just happened here 4 times on the trot so it seems that my theory about the new session thing was wrong.
> 
> Come back Sound Studio, all is forgiven.  My other message on this topic demonstrates my frustration with Amadeus Pro.  I'm aware that there are things it does well, and yes, if you want multi-track editing there's no doubt it comes into its own.  In fact, I can actually see some instances where it would come in very useful in single track mode.  But if you want to get the job of a simple edit done quickly, and you're not fortunate to have unlimited leisure time, I don't think it's the way to go.
> 
> On 11 May 2010, at 06:57, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> No not at all! its something I do all the time here.
> 
> 
> On 11/05/2010, at 3:19 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> Is anybody finding that this utility is extremely flakey when you directly open an audio file from the finder and have Amadeus set as the default application?  I'm noticing that, the first time in each OSX session I open this type of file, Amadeus is coming up in an invisible window and, in actual fact, is an unresponsive application.  I have to force quit the app and relaunch.  Very annoying.
>> 
>> Gordon
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 11 07:19:11 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:19:11 +1000
Subject: Amadeus Pro and OSX 10.6.3
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Also meant to mention you can find useful tutorials and guides on Amadeus Pro at http://www.icanworkthisthing.com


On 11/05/2010, at 4:11 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Right, well it's just happened here 4 times on the trot so it seems that my theory about the new session thing was wrong.
> 
> Come back Sound Studio, all is forgiven.  My other message on this topic demonstrates my frustration with Amadeus Pro.  I'm aware that there are things it does well, and yes, if you want multi-track editing there's no doubt it comes into its own.  In fact, I can actually see some instances where it would come in very useful in single track mode.  But if you want to get the job of a simple edit done quickly, and you're not fortunate to have unlimited leisure time, I don't think it's the way to go.
> 
> On 11 May 2010, at 06:57, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> No not at all! its something I do all the time here.
> 
> 
> On 11/05/2010, at 3:19 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> Is anybody finding that this utility is extremely flakey when you directly open an audio file from the finder and have Amadeus set as the default application?  I'm noticing that, the first time in each OSX session I open this type of file, Amadeus is coming up in an invisible window and, in actual fact, is an unresponsive application.  I have to force quit the app and relaunch.  Very annoying.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 11 07:25:24 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:25:24 +0100
Subject: Sound Studio (Was Editing Audio)
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Currently. I have no use for multi-track editing so that doesn't worry me in the slightest.

As for your busy issue, I'm not sure I'm with you.  I can move around files and edit fine using Sound Studio.  That said, I'm not using the trial version, so maybe there's something else going on there that I'm not seeing.

On 11 May 2010, at 07:15, Dane Trethowan wrote:

I have no problems with Sound Studio whatever as far as editing goes but they still haven't fixed one very annoying bug, when you select effects and go to adjust them, Voiceover keeps saying busy, busy, busy so that's a real pain, just about give up making adjustments there.

Sound Studio also does multi track editing but I've never been able to get this to work.



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 11 07:29:36 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:29:36 +0100
Subject: Amadeus Pro and OSX 10.6.3
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Yup, I know but the point I'm making here is that for basic editing you should have the ability to disable the twin heads, and you shouldn't have to mess around, waste time and effort setting markers all over the place.

Come to that, you shouldn't even need tutorials to do something as basic as editing a single-track audio file.  It should be just like word processing.  Tell me, do you think it's worth while writing a tutorial on the use of TextEdit?  I doubt it somehow.  Audio editing should be just the same.

Seems to me that Martin is going about some of this stuff the wrong way.

Again, we don't all have all day to sit down and read tutorials, help files and manuals.  Some people have lives to live. <smile>.


On 11 May 2010, at 07:19, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Also meant to mention you can find useful tutorials and guides on Amadeus Pro at http://www.icanworkthisthing.com


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 11 07:29:34 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:29:34 +1000
Subject: Sound Studio (Was Editing Audio)
In-Reply-To: <BDEAC635-D8A3-45AE-ADEF-A5E3221EBF3C@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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I'm not using the trial version either, usually the busy issue won't pop-up unless you call one of the effects such as EQ and so on.

Navigation in Sound Studio is perhaps a little nicer than that of Amadeus Pro but it takes a little while to get used to.

Unfortunately these pieces of software lack one critical feature in my view and that's "Scrubbing", Goldwave is the only editor I've seen which has implimented this feature in a proper and flexible manner but that's off-topic for this list so if anyone wants to know more email me privately.


On 11/05/2010, at 4:25 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Currently. I have no use for multi-track editing so that doesn't worry me in the slightest.
> 
> As for your busy issue, I'm not sure I'm with you.  I can move around files and edit fine using Sound Studio.  That said, I'm not using the trial version, so maybe there's something else going on there that I'm not seeing.
> 
> On 11 May 2010, at 07:15, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> I have no problems with Sound Studio whatever as far as editing goes but they still haven't fixed one very annoying bug, when you select effects and go to adjust them, Voiceover keeps saying busy, busy, busy so that's a real pain, just about give up making adjustments there.
> 
> Sound Studio also does multi track editing but I've never been able to get this to work.
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 11 07:30:22 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:30:22 +1000
Subject: Amadeus Pro and OSX 10.6.3
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Its not a problem with me at all! just a matter of moving one point to another by pressing a button, I'm sure you're capable of pressing buttons or keys on your keyboard <smile>.


On 11/05/2010, at 4:29 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Yup, I know but the point I'm making here is that for basic editing you should have the ability to disable the twin heads, and you shouldn't have to mess around, waste time and effort setting markers all over the place.
> 
> Come to that, you shouldn't even need tutorials to do something as basic as editing a single-track audio file.  It should be just like word processing.  Tell me, do you think it's worth while writing a tutorial on the use of TextEdit?  I doubt it somehow.  Audio editing should be just the same.
> 
> Seems to me that Martin is going about some of this stuff the wrong way.
> 
> Again, we don't all have all day to sit down and read tutorials, help files and manuals.  Some people have lives to live. <smile>.
> 
> 
> On 11 May 2010, at 07:19, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Also meant to mention you can find useful tutorials and guides on Amadeus Pro at http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 11 07:33:39 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:33:39 +0100
Subject: More thoughts on Amadeus Pro
Message-ID: <BD5466E6-BB69-4AFF-BDDB-1C21250799A6@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Just something else I meant to write about this.  His help system is absolutely shocking!  Most good Mac programmes give you an intuitive interactive help system.  Not Amadeus, unfortunately.  All he seems to be able to do is dump you into the user guide.  Very intuitive, I don't think!



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 11 07:35:44 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:35:44 +1000
Subject: More thoughts on Amadeus Pro
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Horses for courses I guess, I got around this by pasting it into Text Edit then looking for the sections I wanted such as Keyboard shortcuts for example.

Again, a quicker way to do this is to go to the guides at http://www.icanworkthisthing.com which talk about shortcuts which - as far as I'm aware - aren't even mentioned in the manual.


On 11/05/2010, at 4:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Just something else I meant to write about this.  His help system is absolutely shocking!  Most good Mac programmes give you an intuitive interactive help system.  Not Amadeus, unfortunately.  All he seems to be able to do is dump you into the user guide.  Very intuitive, I don't think!
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 11 07:40:39 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:40:39 +0100
Subject: Sound Studio (Was Editing Audio)
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OK, I'll try that and, if necessary, I'll contact Felt Tip about it.  I bet nobody has so far.

On 11 May 2010, at 07:29, Dane Trethowan wrote:

I'm not using the trial version either, usually the busy issue won't pop-up unless you call one of the effects such as EQ and so on.

Navigation in Sound Studio is perhaps a little nicer than that of Amadeus Pro but it takes a little while to get used to.

Unfortunately these pieces of software lack one critical feature in my view and that's "Scrubbing", Goldwave is the only editor I've seen which has implimented this feature in a proper and flexible manner but that's off-topic for this list so if anyone wants to know more email me privately.


On 11/05/2010, at 4:25 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Currently. I have no use for multi-track editing so that doesn't worry me in the slightest.
> 
> As for your busy issue, I'm not sure I'm with you.  I can move around files and edit fine using Sound Studio.  That said, I'm not using the trial version, so maybe there's something else going on there that I'm not seeing.
> 
> On 11 May 2010, at 07:15, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> I have no problems with Sound Studio whatever as far as editing goes but they still haven't fixed one very annoying bug, when you select effects and go to adjust them, Voiceover keeps saying busy, busy, busy so that's a real pain, just about give up making adjustments there.
> 
> Sound Studio also does multi track editing but I've never been able to get this to work.
> 
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 11 07:40:35 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:40:35 +1000
Subject: Sound Studio (Was Editing Audio)
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I bet they have <smile> quite a few people actually.


On 11/05/2010, at 4:40 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> OK, I'll try that and, if necessary, I'll contact Felt Tip about it.  I bet nobody has so far.
> 
> On 11 May 2010, at 07:29, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> I'm not using the trial version either, usually the busy issue won't pop-up unless you call one of the effects such as EQ and so on.
> 
> Navigation in Sound Studio is perhaps a little nicer than that of Amadeus Pro but it takes a little while to get used to.
> 
> Unfortunately these pieces of software lack one critical feature in my view and that's "Scrubbing", Goldwave is the only editor I've seen which has implimented this feature in a proper and flexible manner but that's off-topic for this list so if anyone wants to know more email me privately.
> 
> 
> On 11/05/2010, at 4:25 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Currently. I have no use for multi-track editing so that doesn't worry me in the slightest.
>> 
>> As for your busy issue, I'm not sure I'm with you.  I can move around files and edit fine using Sound Studio.  That said, I'm not using the trial version, so maybe there's something else going on there that I'm not seeing.
>> 
>> On 11 May 2010, at 07:15, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> I have no problems with Sound Studio whatever as far as editing goes but they still haven't fixed one very annoying bug, when you select effects and go to adjust them, Voiceover keeps saying busy, busy, busy so that's a real pain, just about give up making adjustments there.
>> 
>> Sound Studio also does multi track editing but I've never been able to get this to work.
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 11 07:43:21 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:43:21 +0100
Subject: Amadeus Pro and OSX 10.6.3
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Yes, but the point I'm making here, which you seem to be missing, is that you should be able to turn the twin heads off.  Yes, you can use Command+Y and Command+Shift+Y to move the heads but you simply should not have to do that.  But my main ripe is the way the cursor keys work, or don't, as the case may be.

They should work like a word processor, but they don't.

On 11 May 2010, at 07:30, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Its not a problem with me at all! just a matter of moving one point to another by pressing a button, I'm sure you're capable of pressing buttons or keys on your keyboard <smile>.


On 11/05/2010, at 4:29 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Yup, I know but the point I'm making here is that for basic editing you should have the ability to disable the twin heads, and you shouldn't have to mess around, waste time and effort setting markers all over the place.
> 
> Come to that, you shouldn't even need tutorials to do something as basic as editing a single-track audio file.  It should be just like word processing.  Tell me, do you think it's worth while writing a tutorial on the use of TextEdit?  I doubt it somehow.  Audio editing should be just the same.
> 
> Seems to me that Martin is going about some of this stuff the wrong way.
> 
> Again, we don't all have all day to sit down and read tutorials, help files and manuals.  Some people have lives to live. <smile>.
> 
> 
> On 11 May 2010, at 07:19, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Also meant to mention you can find useful tutorials and guides on Amadeus Pro at http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 11 07:46:06 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:46:06 +0100
Subject: More thoughts on Amadeus Pro
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Great!  Just write a user's guide for your programme, but don't bother including all the usage information.  Why not, just document half of it.  Great way to go I don't think. <smile>.

That kind of explains why I only found the obvious bits about system preferences listed in there.

On 11 May 2010, at 07:35, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Horses for courses I guess, I got around this by pasting it into Text Edit then looking for the sections I wanted such as Keyboard shortcuts for example.

Again, a quicker way to do this is to go to the guides at http://www.icanworkthisthing.com which talk about shortcuts which - as far as I'm aware - aren't even mentioned in the manual.


On 11/05/2010, at 4:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Just something else I meant to write about this.  His help system is absolutely shocking!  Most good Mac programmes give you an intuitive interactive help system.  Not Amadeus, unfortunately.  All he seems to be able to do is dump you into the user guide.  Very intuitive, I don't think!
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 11 07:48:05 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:48:05 +0100
Subject: Sound Studio (Was Editing Audio)
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We shall see.  I happen to know one of the actual developers, so I'll go directly to him.

That's how I got the registration problem fixed which you might remember existed in a previous version.  I went directly to the developer and it was fixed within 24 hours.

On 11 May 2010, at 07:40, Dane Trethowan wrote:

I bet they have <smile> quite a few people actually.



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 11 07:55:59 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:55:59 +0100
Subject: Just out of interest
Message-ID: <608335C6-2B07-420A-A3C5-141122DB1DF9@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

This is just a general question purely out of interest, to confirm or dispel a working theory.

As you know, the battle against spam is always ongoing for those of us who use E-Mail. That is especially true for those of us who maintain busy servers such as ours.

On average, we handle upwards of 40,000 messages in every 24-hour period and that number is rising fast.

A very large percentage of that traffic is spam, unsolicited or malicious traffic from which we protect our clients, unlike many providers who just let it all through.

Recently, we've been noticing an increasing number of non-member attempted postings to the Mac-Access list, advertising things like the best place to buy Viagra and other substances.

So, just out of interest, how many users on list are using Outlook in one flavour or another?  I ask because it's known that Outlook address books are often covertly distributed or re-transmitted without the user's knowledge or consent.  Looking at the mail that really should be on the list, I'm noticing quite a few are being sent using Outlook Express or Outlook.

No complain here, I'm just curious.

Gordon


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 11 08:04:03 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:04:03 +0100
Subject: Amadeus Pro Tutorial
Message-ID: <3289499E-D210-4187-B997-8AD05D47C9C9@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello all

Alright; the actual link to this tutorial is below and now, Gordon's found the reason why his cursor keys wouldn't work. You need to use command+cursor, not just cursor. Nobody mentioned that as far as he can remember.

Lynne

http://www.icanworkthisthing.com/docs/mac_with_voiceover/audio/amadeus_pro_quick_guide.shtml




From mumwith2kids at gmail.com  Tue May 11 07:39:30 2010
From: mumwith2kids at gmail.com (Stephanie)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:39:30 +1000
Subject: i tunes and ipod help
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Hi all.
I was wondering if anyone could help. I have an i pod nano, 2 gigs. I 
hooked it up to itunes on my mac, and because I used to use it with 
windows, I was told it was connected with another itunes library. So 
I told it to create a new one. Anyway, I subscribed to blindcooltech 
(my other podcasts I'd subscribed too disappeared) and downloaded 
them. When I synced the ipod, I took it out and nothing is on it. I 
can't find the ipod settings, and I can't view the podcasts I 
downloaded or the lists of what is on my ipod.
Any ideas how I can get this working?
Thanks,
Steph


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 11 08:13:08 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:13:08 +0100
Subject: Rock Me Amadeus!
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OK, tried that.  The tutorial I read at that workingthisthing site seems to imply that command+cursor moves through a file.  Not here.  Maybe I'm just doing this wrong, but command+cursor does nothing.  The unmodified cursor keys do work, but I still can't figure out how on earth you're supposed to precisely locate your cursor.

Maybe it's my medication and if that's so then I'm sorry about all this.  Not using that as an excuse but this is driving me up the proverbial wall. I need to get this done.


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 11 08:39:47 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 17:39:47 +1000
Subject: Amadeus Pro and OSX 10.6.3
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And the point I'm making here is - and perhaps I haven't made it hard enough - is that you yourself! explained the concept and you yourself made the point that if one can use a tape recorder then the principle is the same, a trivial matter quite frankly and just something that is easily dealt with, I find the 2 heads extremely useful.


On 11/05/2010, at 4:43 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Yes, but the point I'm making here, which you seem to be missing, is that you should be able to turn the twin heads off.  Yes, you can use Command+Y and Command+Shift+Y to move the heads but you simply should not have to do that.  But my main ripe is the way the cursor keys work, or don't, as the case may be.
> 
> They should work like a word processor, but they don't.
> 
> On 11 May 2010, at 07:30, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Its not a problem with me at all! just a matter of moving one point to another by pressing a button, I'm sure you're capable of pressing buttons or keys on your keyboard <smile>.
> 
> 
> On 11/05/2010, at 4:29 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Yup, I know but the point I'm making here is that for basic editing you should have the ability to disable the twin heads, and you shouldn't have to mess around, waste time and effort setting markers all over the place.
>> 
>> Come to that, you shouldn't even need tutorials to do something as basic as editing a single-track audio file.  It should be just like word processing.  Tell me, do you think it's worth while writing a tutorial on the use of TextEdit?  I doubt it somehow.  Audio editing should be just the same.
>> 
>> Seems to me that Martin is going about some of this stuff the wrong way.
>> 
>> Again, we don't all have all day to sit down and read tutorials, help files and manuals.  Some people have lives to live. <smile>.
>> 
>> 
>> On 11 May 2010, at 07:19, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> Also meant to mention you can find useful tutorials and guides on Amadeus Pro at http://www.icanworkthisthing.com
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 11 08:40:39 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 17:40:39 +1000
Subject: More thoughts on Amadeus Pro
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Again, making a mountain of a mole hill, the information is there! so its up to you to use it wisely <smile>.


On 11/05/2010, at 4:46 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Great!  Just write a user's guide for your programme, but don't bother including all the usage information.  Why not, just document half of it.  Great way to go I don't think. <smile>.
> 
> That kind of explains why I only found the obvious bits about system preferences listed in there.
> 
> On 11 May 2010, at 07:35, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Horses for courses I guess, I got around this by pasting it into Text Edit then looking for the sections I wanted such as Keyboard shortcuts for example.
> 
> Again, a quicker way to do this is to go to the guides at http://www.icanworkthisthing.com which talk about shortcuts which - as far as I'm aware - aren't even mentioned in the manual.
> 
> 
> On 11/05/2010, at 4:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Just something else I meant to write about this.  His help system is absolutely shocking!  Most good Mac programmes give you an intuitive interactive help system.  Not Amadeus, unfortunately.  All he seems to be able to do is dump you into the user guide.  Very intuitive, I don't think!
>> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 11 08:41:19 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 17:41:19 +1000
Subject: Sound Studio (Was Editing Audio)
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Very good! the more people who give feedback then the better.


On 11/05/2010, at 4:48 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> We shall see.  I happen to know one of the actual developers, so I'll go directly to him.
> 
> That's how I got the registration problem fixed which you might remember existed in a previous version.  I went directly to the developer and it was fixed within 24 hours.
> 
> On 11 May 2010, at 07:40, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> I bet they have <smile> quite a few people actually.
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 11 08:43:42 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 17:43:42 +1000
Subject: Amadeus Pro Tutorial
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No one did mention it because that's not right! something very odd indeed!


On 11/05/2010, at 5:04 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello all
> 
> Alright; the actual link to this tutorial is below and now, Gordon's found the reason why his cursor keys wouldn't work. You need to use command+cursor, not just cursor. Nobody mentioned that as far as he can remember.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> http://www.icanworkthisthing.com/docs/mac_with_voiceover/audio/amadeus_pro_quick_guide.shtml
> 
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 11 08:46:02 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 17:46:02 +1000
Subject: i tunes and ipod help
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I don't think this generation of Ipod is accessible through Itunes? I could be wrong, I thought it was only the forth Generation Ipod upwards and the 8GB, 16GB and 32GB models which would work?


On 11/05/2010, at 4:39 PM, Stephanie wrote:

> Hi all.
> I was wondering if anyone could help. I have an i pod nano, 2 gigs. I hooked it up to itunes on my mac, and because I used to use it with windows, I was told it was connected with another itunes library. So I told it to create a new one. Anyway, I subscribed to blindcooltech (my other podcasts I'd subscribed too disappeared) and downloaded them. When I synced the ipod, I took it out and nothing is on it. I can't find the ipod settings, and I can't view the podcasts I downloaded or the lists of what is on my ipod.
> Any ideas how I can get this working?
> Thanks,
> Steph
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 11 08:47:53 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 17:47:53 +1000
Subject: Rock Me Amadeus!
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Yep its the unmodified cursor keys which do the trick, if the authors have written that then they may have made an error so I'll take a look at that myself.

To precisely locate your cursor or playhead or insertion point you'll have to adjust the zoom level.


On 11/05/2010, at 5:13 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> OK, tried that.  The tutorial I read at that workingthisthing site seems to imply that command+cursor moves through a file.  Not here.  Maybe I'm just doing this wrong, but command+cursor does nothing.  The unmodified cursor keys do work, but I still can't figure out how on earth you're supposed to precisely locate your cursor.
> 
> Maybe it's my medication and if that's so then I'm sorry about all this.  Not using that as an excuse but this is driving me up the proverbial wall. I need to get this done.
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From david.mclean at cox.net  Tue May 11 10:48:38 2010
From: david.mclean at cox.net (David McLean)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 05:48:38 -0400
Subject: Just out of interest
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Using Apple Mail here.  Haven't used Outlook for my home mail since I bought my first Mac last September.  No need really.
On May 11, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> This is just a general question purely out of interest, to confirm or dispel a working theory.
> 
> As you know, the battle against spam is always ongoing for those of us who use E-Mail. That is especially true for those of us who maintain busy servers such as ours.
> 
> On average, we handle upwards of 40,000 messages in every 24-hour period and that number is rising fast.
> 
> A very large percentage of that traffic is spam, unsolicited or malicious traffic from which we protect our clients, unlike many providers who just let it all through.
> 
> Recently, we've been noticing an increasing number of non-member attempted postings to the Mac-Access list, advertising things like the best place to buy Viagra and other substances.
> 
> So, just out of interest, how many users on list are using Outlook in one flavour or another?  I ask because it's known that Outlook address books are often covertly distributed or re-transmitted without the user's knowledge or consent.  Looking at the mail that really should be on the list, I'm noticing quite a few are being sent using Outlook Express or Outlook.
> 
> No complain here, I'm just curious.
> 
> Gordon
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From mumwith2kids at gmail.com  Tue May 11 10:43:55 2010
From: mumwith2kids at gmail.com (Stephanie)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 19:43:55 +1000
Subject: i tunes and ipod help
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o? That could be my problem then.
Steph
At 05:46 PM 11/05/2010, you wrote:
>I don't think this generation of Ipod is accessible through Itunes? 
>I could be wrong, I thought it was only the forth Generation Ipod 
>upwards and the 8GB, 16GB and 32GB models which would work?
>
>
>On 11/05/2010, at 4:39 PM, Stephanie wrote:
>
> > Hi all.
> > I was wondering if anyone could help. I have an i pod nano, 2 
> gigs. I hooked it up to itunes on my mac, and because I used to use 
> it with windows, I was told it was connected with another itunes 
> library. So I told it to create a new one. Anyway, I subscribed to 
> blindcooltech (my other podcasts I'd subscribed too disappeared) 
> and downloaded them. When I synced the ipod, I took it out and 
> nothing is on it. I can't find the ipod settings, and I can't view 
> the podcasts I downloaded or the lists of what is on my ipod.
> > Any ideas how I can get this working?
> > Thanks,
> > Steph
> >
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 11 11:01:53 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:01:53 +0100
Subject: Amadeus Pro and OSX 10.6.3
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I have no objection to the principle.  But the problem I'm having is that, on our MacBook Pro, the programme just won't behave as described.

I.e., in the tutorial it states that command+cursor keys are used to move through the recording.  On our machine, they don't.  The unmodified cursor keys work, to a point. But you cannot precisely position the cursor/

On a professional tape deck, (maybe you haven't use them, but I have).  The heads are always in sync.  Amadeus's heads are not, it seems, always in sync.  I fail to see the point of having the heads tracked separately.  Why have 2 heads if you're only going to have to move the insertion head to the playback head to perform an editing function anyway?

I understand the concepts of multiple heads Dane, possibly I've used this in the real world more than you have.  But the concept is different here in application to how it is in the real world.

On 11 May 2010, at 08:39, Dane Trethowan wrote:

And the point I'm making here is - and perhaps I haven't made it hard enough - is that you yourself! explained the concept and you yourself made the point that if one can use a tape recorder then the principle is the same, a trivial matter quite frankly and just something that is easily dealt with, I find the 2 heads extremely useful.



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 11 11:04:42 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:04:42 +0100
Subject: Sound Studio (Was Editing Audio)
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According to Jonathan, nobody has brought this to his attention.  As I suspected, either the messages haven't been passed along or else they've been sent to the wrong people.

It is actually Freeverse who do version 3 and later, not Felt Tip.  I made that mistake until I contacted jonathan directly earlier and I bet I'm not alone.

On 11 May 2010, at 08:41, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Very good! the more people who give feedback then the better.


On 11/05/2010, at 4:48 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> We shall see.  I happen to know one of the actual developers, so I'll go directly to him.
> 
> That's how I got the registration problem fixed which you might remember existed in a previous version.  I went directly to the developer and it was fixed within 24 hours.
> 
> On 11 May 2010, at 07:40, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> I bet they have <smile> quite a few people actually.
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 11 11:04:26 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:04:26 +1000
Subject: Amadeus Pro and OSX 10.6.3
In-Reply-To: <5D9C2A3E-45D1-483F-A684-ACA6D1C9155D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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I big to differ there because you can! precisely move both insertion point and playhead and I've described how that's done in one way.

No, command and cursor key combinations do not work and its news to me, I've read that tutorial and command cursor movements were never even mentioned when I read it but that was some time ago, I'd written an article on Amadeus Pro and some of what I've written was referenced in that tutorial at the time so just out of curiosity, I'll go take a look and see what it says these days.


On 11/05/2010, at 8:01 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> I have no objection to the principle.  But the problem I'm having is that, on our MacBook Pro, the programme just won't behave as described.
> 
> I.e., in the tutorial it states that command+cursor keys are used to move through the recording.  On our machine, they don't.  The unmodified cursor keys work, to a point. But you cannot precisely position the cursor/
> 
> On a professional tape deck, (maybe you haven't use them, but I have).  The heads are always in sync.  Amadeus's heads are not, it seems, always in sync.  I fail to see the point of having the heads tracked separately.  Why have 2 heads if you're only going to have to move the insertion head to the playback head to perform an editing function anyway?
> 
> I understand the concepts of multiple heads Dane, possibly I've used this in the real world more than you have.  But the concept is different here in application to how it is in the real world.
> 
> On 11 May 2010, at 08:39, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> And the point I'm making here is - and perhaps I haven't made it hard enough - is that you yourself! explained the concept and you yourself made the point that if one can use a tape recorder then the principle is the same, a trivial matter quite frankly and just something that is easily dealt with, I find the 2 heads extremely useful.
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 11 11:05:03 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:05:03 +1000
Subject: Sound Studio (Was Editing Audio)
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Sorry! but that's absolutely and utterly wrong! 4 people to my knowledge including yours truly have brought this matter up.


On 11/05/2010, at 8:04 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> According to Jonathan, nobody has brought this to his attention.  As I suspected, either the messages haven't been passed along or else they've been sent to the wrong people.
> 
> It is actually Freeverse who do version 3 and later, not Felt Tip.  I made that mistake until I contacted jonathan directly earlier and I bet I'm not alone.
> 
> On 11 May 2010, at 08:41, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Very good! the more people who give feedback then the better.
> 
> 
> On 11/05/2010, at 4:48 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> We shall see.  I happen to know one of the actual developers, so I'll go directly to him.
>> 
>> That's how I got the registration problem fixed which you might remember existed in a previous version.  I went directly to the developer and it was fixed within 24 hours.
>> 
>> On 11 May 2010, at 07:40, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> I bet they have <smile> quite a few people actually.
>> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 11 11:08:07 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:08:07 +0100
Subject: Amadeus Pro Tutorial
In-Reply-To: <A576239C-4612-4EDE-A3A3-152EE0F8D946@internode.on.net>
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Excuse me!  I quote directly from the tutorial here:

1: First of all, play your recording, or, move through your recording with command-right, or, left arrow keys, until you reach the begining of the spot you would like to edit and press the spacebar

That is copy & pasted from the tutorial you referenced.

On 11 May 2010, at 08:43, Dane Trethowan wrote:

No one did mention it because that's not right! something very odd indeed!



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 11 11:12:02 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:12:02 +1000
Subject: Amadeus Pro Tutorial
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Okay thanks for that but that portion of the tutorial needs correction as the command-arrow keys do nothing, its the left and right arrow keys which should be used to move and the manual also talks about these, I'm looking for the tutorial on the site now so thanks for bringing this to our attention.


On 11/05/2010, at 8:08 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Excuse me!  I quote directly from the tutorial here:
> 
> 1: First of all, play your recording, or, move through your recording with command-right, or, left arrow keys, until you reach the begining of the spot you would like to edit and press the spacebar
> 
> That is copy & pasted from the tutorial you referenced.
> 
> On 11 May 2010, at 08:43, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> No one did mention it because that's not right! something very odd indeed!
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 11 11:13:38 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:13:38 +0100
Subject: Sound Studio (Was Editing Audio)
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Dane.  I said, and please read this carefully.  Nobody has brought it to his, I repeat, his attention.  I did not say nobody has contacted the company.

On 11 May 2010, at 11:05, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Sorry! but that's absolutely and utterly wrong! 4 people to my knowledge including yours truly have brought this matter up.



From gordonkeen at googlemail.com  Tue May 11 12:09:18 2010
From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:09:18 +0100
Subject: Just out of interest
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Same here.   Use Outlook?   shudder!

Cheers

G

From glorious Devon, England.
On 11 May 2010, at 10:48, David McLean wrote:

> Using Apple Mail here.  Haven't used Outlook for my home mail since I bought my first Mac last September.  No need really.
> On May 11, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> This is just a general question purely out of interest, to confirm or dispel a working theory.
>> 
>> As you know, the battle against spam is always ongoing for those of us who use E-Mail. That is especially true for those of us who maintain busy servers such as ours.
>> 
>> On average, we handle upwards of 40,000 messages in every 24-hour period and that number is rising fast.
>> 
>> A very large percentage of that traffic is spam, unsolicited or malicious traffic from which we protect our clients, unlike many providers who just let it all through.
>> 
>> Recently, we've been noticing an increasing number of non-member attempted postings to the Mac-Access list, advertising things like the best place to buy Viagra and other substances.
>> 
>> So, just out of interest, how many users on list are using Outlook in one flavour or another?  I ask because it's known that Outlook address books are often covertly distributed or re-transmitted without the user's knowledge or consent.  Looking at the mail that really should be on the list, I'm noticing quite a few are being sent using Outlook Express or Outlook.
>> 
>> No complain here, I'm just curious.
>> 
>> Gordon
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Tue May 11 12:34:00 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 12:34:00 +0100
Subject: Just out of interest
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References: <608335C6-2B07-420A-A3C5-141122DB1DF9@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Using Apple Mail here too.

TC
On 11 May 2010, at 12:09, Gordon Keen wrote:

> Same here.   Use Outlook?   shudder!
> 
> Cheers
> 
> G
> 
> From glorious Devon, England.
> On 11 May 2010, at 10:48, David McLean wrote:
> 
>> Using Apple Mail here.  Haven't used Outlook for my home mail since I bought my first Mac last September.  No need really.
>> On May 11, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> This is just a general question purely out of interest, to confirm or dispel a working theory.
>>> 
>>> As you know, the battle against spam is always ongoing for those of us who use E-Mail. That is especially true for those of us who maintain busy servers such as ours.
>>> 
>>> On average, we handle upwards of 40,000 messages in every 24-hour period and that number is rising fast.
>>> 
>>> A very large percentage of that traffic is spam, unsolicited or malicious traffic from which we protect our clients, unlike many providers who just let it all through.
>>> 
>>> Recently, we've been noticing an increasing number of non-member attempted postings to the Mac-Access list, advertising things like the best place to buy Viagra and other substances.
>>> 
>>> So, just out of interest, how many users on list are using Outlook in one flavour or another?  I ask because it's known that Outlook address books are often covertly distributed or re-transmitted without the user's knowledge or consent.  Looking at the mail that really should be on the list, I'm noticing quite a few are being sent using Outlook Express or Outlook.
>>> 
>>> No complain here, I'm just curious.
>>> 
>>> Gordon
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
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From tsiegel at softcon.us  Tue May 11 13:34:08 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:34:08 -0500
Subject: MAC VOICES
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Let me put in a vote for Fred as well.
I think Anne has it right, when she says it isn't pretty, but it gets  
the job done.
For me, Alex was just too human sounding, took too much memory, and  
slowed my machine to a crawl (that's what I get for not upgrading my  
memory yet)
However, fred is quite responsive, and for me at least, works  
perfectly for reading long passages of text (something I do quite  
often) and for crispness, it's probably the closest thing you'll find  
if you're hunting for an eloquence replacement.
I never liked the eloquence voice myself, but I do find fred to be to  
my liking, and I run it at 100 percent rate, and often times still  
find this to be too slow for my tastes, but that's just me I guess.
You can (still) overdrive the speech rate, but that takes advantage of  
a bug apple is likely to fix at any moment, so I won't discuss it  
here, but suffice it to say that if you experiment a little, you're  
bound to find something that suits your needs.
Bruce would be a nice alternative too, if you want something a little  
less artic synth sounding, but for me it's too brusk, I just like fred.


From tsiegel at softcon.us  Tue May 11 13:45:28 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:45:28 -0500
Subject: MAC VOICES
In-Reply-To: <A00FF045-8173-4555-B285-E134195DE9F7@hopewell.org.uk>
References: <213181BB-2ED6-40B6-AA50-B8DB24AA892E@tft-bbs.com>
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Paul, you have hit on a problem I have been bitterly complaining to  
apple about for years.
The way the mac pronounces a lot of things (especially programming  
terms and acronyms) just drives me up the wall.
I have always contended (and still strongly support) the stance that  
it's the screen reader's job to read the screen, and it's the user's  
job to interpret what the screen reader is telling them.
Apple has a bad tendency to try to do the interpreting, and I can't  
tell you how many hours of lost productivity this has caused me both  
as a programmer, and as a troubleshooter.
It's hard to figure out why your files won't do what you want them to  
do when voiceover is insisting the file is named volume when in fact  
it's just the first three letters v o l.
Not to mention the problems vo used to have (and maybe still does)  
when reading c++ code (or objective c) where there are double brackets  
in places, the same characters used to control vo voices on the fly.   
I've had speech just up and quit, and come back a page or two later  
with no explanation whatsoever as to why it did this.  It took me many  
months to figure out it was the source code constructs causing this  
behavior.
And don't get me started on apple's need to take common computer terms  
and unix commands with their 2-3 letter forms, and speak them as if  
they were complete words.
When I'm at a unix prompt, the letters c p may mean copy, but not when  
I'm reading assembley code and someone is trying to show that a  
character pointer needs to be moved somewhere else,
move copy eax ecx just causes confusion, and wastes time needing to  
review the line character by character to see what's realy going on.
Unix folks already know c p means copy, so there's nothing lost by  
letting the speech say c p instead of expanding it to copy.
There's litterally hundreds of these kinds of little irritants that  
make my programming (and terminal usage) on the mac increasingly  
difficult.
However, I'm in the extreme minority on these types of issues, so you  
should by no means use my tyrade as a definite determinant as to  
whether or not you'll use a mac.  Even with these problems, I still  
wouldn't use anything else, simply because there's nothing of  
comparable quality out there.
It sucks, but there it is. :)
Now if I could get that meat eating dinosaur not to be pronounced as  
saint ego soars my son would be happy.
:D

From tsiegel at softcon.us  Tue May 11 13:53:21 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 07:53:21 -0500
Subject: Amadeus Pro and OSX 10.6.3
In-Reply-To: <F69EF66C-DB2A-4172-A6C9-9658866210CA@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <2B44EFF9-89D5-46F8-89DB-B8B6952F2C3D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<9DA8CD84-DA9F-467E-947D-F9E53D0B4A10@internode.on.net>
	<2D0946E7-7255-422F-81A2-FCA1926AD3FF@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<A868DFDE-1086-4C1F-9339-B2D3A6BC3A64@internode.on.net>
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And, this is one thing I wish apple would fix quicktime to do.
Basic editing, (cut out small portions of text, insert small sections  
and so on) quicktime pro is a breeze to use, but for anything more  
complicated (highlighting large chunks of audio that may or may not be  
contiguous, highlighting from current location to end/beginning,  
expanding selected areas) quicktime is absolutely horrible for vo  
users.  It can be done visually using the mouse and their little  
graphical representation of the file in the little area at the bottom  
right of the screen, but for vo users, there are no key combinations  
to do these kinds of things, and it's absolutely frustrating to not be  
able to quickly go to a particular place in a file, or to highlight  
pieces of files quickly (must hold down keys and listen to the whole  
piece you wish to mark) uterly wasteful of time, like I got nothing  
better to do <sigh>
However, for quick and dirty editing, I personally think it can't be  
beat, and if apple would add a few key shortcuts to do certain other  
functions, I'd have no problem using it as my only editor.


From tsiegel at softcon.us  Tue May 11 14:02:38 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:02:38 -0500
Subject: i tunes and ipod help
In-Reply-To: <26C9E6A5-13B8-4932-A7F8-4935DC83B81B@internode.on.net>
References: <201005101316.o4ADGTo2019143@x.it.okstate.edu>
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Dane, she's not talking about using the spech on the nano, she's  
talking about just putting her music/podcasts on the silly thing.
That has absolutely nothing to do with what generation the thing is,  
or how much memory is in it.
Itunes should work regardless of what gen the ipod is, and if it isn't  
doing so, it's probably because itunes didn't properly copy the files  
to the device.
I've experienced this behavior myself.  Sometimes, you'll need to  
erase and resync the device twice (or rarely more)times to get it to  
behave.
One way to do this (to force It I mean) is to set up the nano as a  
disk drive, then use disk utility (or terminal ifyou're comfortable in  
that environment) to erase the nano entirely, then plug it back in  
again, tell itunes to make it not a disk drive at all, and things will  
fix themselves.
I always leave a small disk partition, only because it allows me to  
troubleshoot and diagnose problems like this one.
And, in a pinch, I can clear the device and have itunes begin again.

However, for your purposes, simply have itunes resync the device, then  
make sure it's configured to copy files to the device (it won't do  
this by default) then you should be all set.


From tsiegel at softcon.us  Tue May 11 14:08:23 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:08:23 -0500
Subject: More thoughts on Amadeus Pro
In-Reply-To: <2FFF4567-82D7-4EA7-A804-678488F21F35@internode.on.net>
References: <BD5466E6-BB69-4AFF-BDDB-1C21250799A6@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<C57C525B-4AC1-4914-A03D-14C735F6E713@internode.on.net>
	<72F93B9F-B295-4EE2-909E-F1AEA053111B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Information is only useful if it can be accessed.
Making one huge 2GB file of the encyclopedia britanaca would do nobody  
any good, because you wouldn't be able to find the entries you're  
searching for without a lot of extra work.  That's all Gordon is  
saying, and quite rightly I'd say.  The apple help system is designed  
to handle html files perfectly well, so there's really no excuse for  
developers to get lazy and paste the entire document in as a single  
unformated piece of text.
That's what headings, sections, and section links are for.
Also, as far as editing goes, instead of setting the zoom level, it  
could easily be modified to use cursor keys in their unmodified states  
to move normally, command-arrows to move in smaller increments, ctrl- 
arrows to move in larger chunks, and shift-arrows to do the final fine  
tuning to locate your cursors where they need to be.  It's always  
boggled my mind to see such a huge array of key combinations go  
entirely unused when an application (such as this one) would clearly  
benefit from such an approach.

From tsiegel at softcon.us  Tue May 11 14:22:09 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 08:22:09 -0500
Subject: raidutil from Command Line
In-Reply-To: <201005110243.o4B2h46T024448@x.it.okstate.edu>
References: <201005110243.o4B2h46T024448@x.it.okstate.edu>
Message-ID: <17B3D2D6-8E1F-4605-AB44-6588615B94B1@softcon.us>

Have you checked the manpage for raidutil?
It goes into great detail about what each of your options are, and how  
to use them.
It looks like you can modify any drive at any time, whether it's  
already part of a raid or not.
You should have no trouble changing your second disk to be part of the  
first disk's group, then setting them to whatever raid method you  
want, whether it be striping  or mirroring.
If you have trouble reading the man pages, there's a utility that will  
allow you to read the man pages in your web browser, and it's called  
bwana.
I got it off of sourceforge, and it works great.  Just go to your  
address bar, then type man:raidutiil
and it will go get the raid man pages, and drop them into your browser  
for you.
Sometimes this makes it easier to read the pages, especially if  
there's several pages all with samples and examples (such as the  
calendar manpage)
Hope this helps.
I do not have a raid controller, so can't help with this particular  
issue other than to point to what the man pages say.  However, I've  
discovered that man pages aren't always the absolute authority on how  
a program works (although they're supposed to be)


On May 10, 2010, at 9:43 PM, Martin McCormick wrote:

> 	I have been trying to setup a level 1 raid and am a
> little confused about what the system is telling me. If I run
>
> raidutil list driveinfo
>
> I get the following:
>
> Drives  Raidset       Size      Flags
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Bay #1  RS1             1.00TB   IsMemberOfRAIDSet:RS1 IsReliable
> Bay #2  RS2             1.00TB   IsMemberOfRAIDSet:RS2 IsReliable
> Bay #3  JBODSet1      500.11GB   IsMemberOfRAIDSet:JBODSet1  
> IsReliable IsJBOD
>
> 	That 3RD drive is really not going to be part of the
> raid and I do understand what that line is stating. jbod means
> "just a bunch of disks" The raid 1 should be a mirroring setup
> in which each drive is a copy of the other.
>
> 	What I don't understand is the raid set designation. The
> first drive is RS1 and the second drive is RS2. I think they are
> supposed to be part of the same raid set to make the raid 1
> configuration.
>
> 	This Mac was shipped with the raid card and the 2 1TB
> drives but the end user must tell the system what kind of raid
> he or she wants since one can use both drives as one large drive
> in a raid 0 or both drives in a mirroring setup as a raid 1
> which is what I am trying to do.
>
> 	This is a case of almost but not quite knowing what I am
> doing. That third or jbod drive was removed from a dead Mac and
> added to this system for extra temporary large file storage so
> the only two raid drives will be the 2 1TB drives.
>
> 	Thanks for any information that helps clear up some of
> the confusion.
>
> Martin McCormick
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 11 15:49:40 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 00:49:40 +1000
Subject: Amadeus Pro and OSX 10.6.3
In-Reply-To: <3EE7D997-3380-4C4C-B97A-CC37E79FE120@softcon.us>
References: <2B44EFF9-89D5-46F8-89DB-B8B6952F2C3D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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	<2D0946E7-7255-422F-81A2-FCA1926AD3FF@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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	<F69EF66C-DB2A-4172-A6C9-9658866210CA@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Yes may be but doesn't the title of that application describe it as a "Player"? Players are not editors generally <smile>.


On 11/05/2010, at 10:53 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

> And, this is one thing I wish apple would fix quicktime to do.
> Basic editing, (cut out small portions of text, insert small sections and so on) quicktime pro is a breeze to use, but for anything more complicated (highlighting large chunks of audio that may or may not be contiguous, highlighting from current location to end/beginning, expanding selected areas) quicktime is absolutely horrible for vo users.  It can be done visually using the mouse and their little graphical representation of the file in the little area at the bottom right of the screen, but for vo users, there are no key combinations to do these kinds of things, and it's absolutely frustrating to not be able to quickly go to a particular place in a file, or to highlight pieces of files quickly (must hold down keys and listen to the whole piece you wish to mark) uterly wasteful of time, like I got nothing better to do <sigh>
> However, for quick and dirty editing, I personally think it can't be beat, and if apple would add a few key shortcuts to do certain other functions, I'd have no problem using it as my only editor.
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 11 15:50:11 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 00:50:11 +1000
Subject: i tunes and ipod help
In-Reply-To: <F947512C-9549-42B9-8CF8-51559009E623@softcon.us>
References: <201005101316.o4ADGTo2019143@x.it.okstate.edu>
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	<F947512C-9549-42B9-8CF8-51559009E623@softcon.us>
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Fine! I wasn't quite sure.


On 11/05/2010, at 11:02 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

> Dane, she's not talking about using the spech on the nano, she's talking about just putting her music/podcasts on the silly thing.
> That has absolutely nothing to do with what generation the thing is, or how much memory is in it.
> Itunes should work regardless of what gen the ipod is, and if it isn't doing so, it's probably because itunes didn't properly copy the files to the device.
> I've experienced this behavior myself.  Sometimes, you'll need to erase and resync the device twice (or rarely more)times to get it to behave.
> One way to do this (to force It I mean) is to set up the nano as a disk drive, then use disk utility (or terminal ifyou're comfortable in that environment) to erase the nano entirely, then plug it back in again, tell itunes to make it not a disk drive at all, and things will fix themselves.
> I always leave a small disk partition, only because it allows me to troubleshoot and diagnose problems like this one.
> And, in a pinch, I can clear the device and have itunes begin again.
> 
> However, for your purposes, simply have itunes resync the device, then make sure it's configured to copy files to the device (it won't do this by default) then you should be all set.
> 
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> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 11 15:51:24 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 00:51:24 +1000
Subject: More thoughts on Amadeus Pro
In-Reply-To: <2D961970-D762-4331-802B-7596928E295A@softcon.us>
References: <BD5466E6-BB69-4AFF-BDDB-1C21250799A6@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<C57C525B-4AC1-4914-A03D-14C735F6E713@internode.on.net>
	<72F93B9F-B295-4EE2-909E-F1AEA053111B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<2FFF4567-82D7-4EA7-A804-678488F21F35@internode.on.net>
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You're talking a little bit of twaddle-speak here, we're not talking about a 2GB file for one thing and I just outlined one way one could access the information for another.  Yep, not perfect I grant you but its far better than not having the information at all!


On 11/05/2010, at 11:08 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

> Information is only useful if it can be accessed.
> Making one huge 2GB file of the encyclopedia britanaca would do nobody any good, because you wouldn't be able to find the entries you're searching for without a lot of extra work.  That's all Gordon is saying, and quite rightly I'd say.  The apple help system is designed to handle html files perfectly well, so there's really no excuse for developers to get lazy and paste the entire document in as a single unformated piece of text.
> That's what headings, sections, and section links are for.
> Also, as far as editing goes, instead of setting the zoom level, it could easily be modified to use cursor keys in their unmodified states to move normally, command-arrows to move in smaller increments, ctrl-arrows to move in larger chunks, and shift-arrows to do the final fine tuning to locate your cursors where they need to be.  It's always boggled my mind to see such a huge array of key combinations go entirely unused when an application (such as this one) would clearly benefit from such an approach.
> _______________________________________________
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From tsiegel at softcon.us  Tue May 11 17:45:16 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:45:16 -0500
Subject: Amadeus Pro and OSX 10.6.3
In-Reply-To: <30AB4BAE-5944-4B1D-A489-595F67EA0122@internode.on.net>
References: <2B44EFF9-89D5-46F8-89DB-B8B6952F2C3D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<9DA8CD84-DA9F-467E-947D-F9E53D0B4A10@internode.on.net>
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On May 11, 2010, at 9:49 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Yes may be but doesn't the title of that application describe it as  
> a "Player"? Players are not editors generally <smile>.

There are two different quicktime applications.
Quicktime player (as you pointed out is just a player)
and quicktime pro (which allows editing of files as well as creation  
of original content.
It's the pro version of quicktime to which I was referring.

Wouldn't be possible to edit files with a player now would it.


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 11 18:20:31 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 03:20:31 +1000
Subject: Amadeus Pro and OSX 10.6.3
In-Reply-To: <49AF0820-E956-4709-B891-253A47FB663A@softcon.us>
References: <2B44EFF9-89D5-46F8-89DB-B8B6952F2C3D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<9DA8CD84-DA9F-467E-947D-F9E53D0B4A10@internode.on.net>
	<2D0946E7-7255-422F-81A2-FCA1926AD3FF@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<A868DFDE-1086-4C1F-9339-B2D3A6BC3A64@internode.on.net>
	<F69EF66C-DB2A-4172-A6C9-9658866210CA@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<3EE7D997-3380-4C4C-B97A-CC37E79FE120@softcon.us>
	<30AB4BAE-5944-4B1D-A489-595F67EA0122@internode.on.net>
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Okay thanks for the clarification and I'm nodding in agreement with you now.


On 12/05/2010, at 2:45 AM, Travis Siegel wrote:

> 
> On May 11, 2010, at 9:49 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> Yes may be but doesn't the title of that application describe it as a "Player"? Players are not editors generally <smile>.
> 
> There are two different quicktime applications.
> Quicktime player (as you pointed out is just a player)
> and quicktime pro (which allows editing of files as well as creation of original content.
> It's the pro version of quicktime to which I was referring.
> 
> Wouldn't be possible to edit files with a player now would it.
> 
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From martin at x.it.okstate.edu  Tue May 11 22:12:26 2010
From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 16:12:26 -0500
Subject: raidutil from Command Line 
Message-ID: <201005112112.o4BLCQSD031505@x.it.okstate.edu>

Travis Siegel writes:
> Have you checked the manpage for raidutil?

You gave me a great idea. The man page is currently buried on
the Mac I am working on, but I do still have the loaner Mac that
I borrowed while we were deciding what to do with my regular
system. It has Leopard on it, but I imagine that raidutil hasn't
changed enough to matter.

	I am using that man page as read through ssh on a Linux
system.

	Since I originally asked the question, I have figured
out what was the problem. It appears that each of the 2 drives
was assigned to its own raidset which made it unavailable to be
in a raid 1 configuration. I used the command line to delete the
raid sets which means that I will probably have to reinstall the
OS but I now have both drives belonging to the same raidset and
they are slowly merging. What you are supposed to end up with is
a single drive of about the same capacity of one drive but
everything that happens to one drive also happens to the other
mirrored drive.

	The next bit of fun will be figuring out how to make the
raid volume show up on the system as the startup disk. Right
now, it is as if it had vanished in to thin air.

	It should have completed initializing by the time I get
to work tomorrow morning so I will move on to the next phase of
torture.

Martin McCormick

From moriond at mac.com  Tue May 11 22:39:31 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:39:31 -1000
Subject: iphone and osx books in accessible format
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Hi,

I meant to follow up on the excellent post that Travis made to mention  
that a number of publishers now offer books in multiple, DRM-free,  
accessible formats.  For example, O'Reilly Books lets you purchase  
books from the Take Control series and from No Starch Press, as well  
as their own publications.  You can buy some of these in multiple  
formats, so you can read the PDF version in Preview or Skim on your  
Mac, and you can have an ePub version that you'll be able to load into  
iBooks, when it's available for you.  Also, sites like Baen's <http://www.webscription.net/ 
 > have been offering multiple format, DRM-free versions of books for  
some time, as Travis mentioned in another earlier post.  The Take  
Control books are also being made available in ePub format from the  
Take Control web site according to this TidBITS article on "Reading  
Take Control Ebooks on an iPad (or iPhone or iPod touch)":
http://db.tidbits.com/article/11169
Although their suggestion of using Good Reader for PDF format on the  
iPod Touch didn't work for me with VoiceOver, some recent experiments  
accessing these guides from the O'Reilly site using their Ibis Reader  
link did produce better results, although the first upload of a book  
to the iPod Touch initially made VoiceOver sluggish, and there was an  
odd effect that, even though VoiceOver read through the chapter, the  
pages didn't update on the iPod Touch screen.  (This was better than  
the performance with VoiceOver in Stanza, though, where the reading  
would usually just stop unless you touched the page.)

For the past few months, O'Reilly has been featuring an eBook "Deal of  
the Day" -- actually, the offerings don't always get updated every  
day, and you typically have a few days in which you can buy the promo  
eBook (usually available in multiple DRM-free formats)  for $9.99.  I  
posted to this list back in February with the address of their eBook  
"Deal of the Day" RSS feed:
<feed://feeds.feedburner.com/oreilly/ebookdealoftheday>
They also initially offered a different, 40% discount when you bought  
their books through Stanza on the iPhone.  I don't know whether this  
is still in effect, given the difficulties of navigating through books  
with VoiceOver in Stanza unless you keep touching the sections of page  
you want to read, but the alternate coupon code of STANZACAT still  
seems to works for purchases on the O'Reilly web site.  (I found it  
difficult to type in all the password and account information with the  
virtual keyboard when I first got the iPod Touch, so I accessed their  
eBook web site to try a purchase.  Similarly, since I wasn't sure the  
ePub version would be readable with VoiceOver in Stanza, trying out a  
bundle that also offered the PDF format ensured that I could at least  
read the book on my desktop Mac.)

I also found that ePub Books has been turning out nice ePub versions  
of public-domain works:
<http://www.epubbooks.com/>

The ePub versions can be added to iTunes (like music or audiobook  
tracks), and synced to an iPad for reading in iBooks.  Presumably this  
will also work for the iPhone and iPod Touch when the OS 4.0 update is  
released.

Cheers,

Esther

P.S. For Travis, another source of DRM-free Science Fiction books is  
the Suvudu free library at:
<http://www.suvudu.com/freelibrary/>

Travis Siegel wrote:

> I'd posted this here before, but now that there's a new archive, and  
> new users, I think it's time to repost.
> There are books in accessible format (pdf, epub, mobi pocket and so  
> on) available from no starch press.
> Two books in particular fit with this list,
> My new mak snow leopard eddition, and my new iphone.
> Both books (as well as others) are accessible from the url:
> http://www.nostarch.com/about_ebooks.htm
> The snow leopard book direct url is:
> http://nostarch.com/newmac_leopard.htm
> and the iphone book's direct url is:
> http://nostarch.com/newiphone.htm
>
> I have bought a couple nostarch titles in the past, and both were of  
> excellent quality, though neither one was related to the mac or  
> iphones, so can't say how those two titles are, but I'd wager  
> they're really good if the ones I have are any indication.
> Hope this helps.
>


From n0oxy at charter.net  Wed May 12 02:32:02 2010
From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 20:32:02 -0500
Subject: MAC VOICES
In-Reply-To: <4FC1433C-548F-4537-8920-FEE60A218A7B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <213181BB-2ED6-40B6-AA50-B8DB24AA892E@tft-bbs.com>
	<8EB0A230B7A7416486A4D5CF2D079584@richard040c386>
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Hi, yes, I'm american, actually the acapela British voices are quite good, I think Graham is my favorite.
On May 10, 2010, at 9:36 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Mike
> 
> On 11 May 2010, at 03:07, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
> ? Hi, the voice that would sound the most like eloquence is probably Fred. I use Alex mostly, and for reading, I like it. Eloquence does not work on the mac, but the many benefits of switching to the mac far outweigh that.
> 
> I'm guessing you're an American Mike, is that righty? It's very easy for US American voice users to overlook the fact that people from other countries prefer voices in their own localisations and, often, that is an important factor because of pronunciation differences.
> 
> Fred is, to my ears, utterly horrible. When I listened to it during Gordon's installation of OSX a while ago on our friend Gillian's machine, that was more than enough for me.
> 
> Alex, I find unbearable as well I'm afraid because the American accent is way overdone.
> 
> Don't get me wrong; I have nothing against American voices, real American voices I mean. But I cannot abide artificial ones.
> 
> This is just me and, I'm sure, the Americans on list might have a similar view of British voices. It's all a matter of what you're used too and how you perceive things I guess. But my point here is that the American voices that Apple produce aren't for everybody.
> 
> As for the benefits of switching, I totally agree with you there. The benefits of switching are too numerous to mention here; but it's the best thing we ever did in our computing lives.
> 
> Lynne
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From gunn at tznet.com  Wed May 12 03:59:19 2010
From: gunn at tznet.com (John Gunn)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 21:59:19 -0500
Subject: Bwana
Message-ID: <1F96A3D5-3B1C-4788-9794-EF9B2E575E38@tznet.com>

Hello and attention Travis:

Can you either write me off list or post the link to bwana?  I went to sourceforg.org and had no luck.

This sounds like a wonderful manpage utility for the browser.

Thanks in advanced.

John

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 12 09:52:00 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:52:00 +0100
Subject: More thoughts on Amadeus Pro
In-Reply-To: <2D961970-D762-4331-802B-7596928E295A@softcon.us>
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Hi Travis

I totally, absolutely and utterly agree with you on all points.

The Amadeus help and parts of the programme itself are a joke, no other way of putting it.


On 11 May 2010, at 14:08, Travis Siegel wrote:

Information is only useful if it can be accessed.
Making one huge 2GB file of the encyclopedia britanaca would do nobody any good, because you wouldn't be able to find the entries you're searching for without a lot of extra work.  That's all Gordon is saying, and quite rightly I'd say.  The apple help system is designed to handle html files perfectly well, so there's really no excuse for developers to get lazy and paste the entire document in as a single unformated piece of text.
That's what headings, sections, and section links are for.
Also, as far as editing goes, instead of setting the zoom level, it could easily be modified to use cursor keys in their unmodified states to move normally, command-arrows to move in smaller increments, ctrl-arrows to move in larger chunks, and shift-arrows to do the final fine tuning to locate your cursors where they need to be.  It's always boggled my mind to see such a huge array of key combinations go entirely unused when an application (such as this one) would clearly benefit from such an approach.
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 12 09:53:58 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:53:58 +0100
Subject: Amadeus Pro and OSX 10.6.3
In-Reply-To: <30AB4BAE-5944-4B1D-A489-595F67EA0122@internode.on.net>
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Dane.  There is a difference between Quicktime Player and Quicktime Pro.

On 11 May 2010, at 15:49, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Yes may be but doesn't the title of that application describe it as a "Player"? Players are not editors generally <smile>.



From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 12 10:01:26 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:01:26 +0100
Subject: MAC VOICES
In-Reply-To: <27DDD8BD-5881-4944-B2E8-6FE49A7074A9@charter.net>
References: <213181BB-2ED6-40B6-AA50-B8DB24AA892E@tft-bbs.com>
	<8EB0A230B7A7416486A4D5CF2D079584@richard040c386>
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Hello Mike

On 12 May 2010, at 02:32, Mike Arrigo wrote:

? Hi, yes, I'm american, actually the acapela British voices are quite good, I think Graham is my favorite.

I hope I didn't come across in any way patronising or offensive there; I certainly didn't intend too. I was just making the point that sometimes, localised voices are preferably.

Actually I believe there is a British Eloquance voice for Windows and for the mobile phones as well actually. I'm sure Gordon used to use UK Eloquance on our Nokia N82.

But when he used Windows he used the Nuance Danial voice I think It is loads better than Eloquance, but not free.

Lynne




From dave at cl333.plus.com  Wed May 12 10:42:22 2010
From: dave at cl333.plus.com (Dave Taylor)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:42:22 +0100
Subject: MAC VOICES
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I use British Eloquence whenever possible. I've been following this with
interest because in my view, every human sounding voice has very poor
intonation and misses out the parts of words it doesn't have. They actually
give me a head ache. I can cope with some of them for short spells, but have
to have them much slower than Eloquence to be able to understand them. I
also find a lot of problems with times read as dates and things. I think
they are trying to be clever but not get the basics right. I have not heard
the Mac voices in anger, but from the demos I've heard, Alex does sound like
one of the best human sounding voices I have heard, and I hear that Rachel
is better than Lucy was by quite a long way. If I have to use a Realspeak
voice, I tend to go for Emily, but you have to turn her down quite a long
way or she distorts!

Cheers
Dave


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette
Annabel Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 10:01 AM
To: Mac OSX, iPhone OS Accessibility
Subject: Re: MAC VOICES

Hello Mike

On 12 May 2010, at 02:32, Mike Arrigo wrote:

? Hi, yes, I'm american, actually the acapela British voices are quite good,
I think Graham is my favorite.

I hope I didn't come across in any way patronising or offensive there; I
certainly didn't intend too. I was just making the point that sometimes,
localised voices are preferably.

Actually I believe there is a British Eloquance voice for Windows and for
the mobile phones as well actually. I'm sure Gordon used to use UK Eloquance
on our Nokia N82.

But when he used Windows he used the Nuance Danial voice I think It is loads
better than Eloquance, but not free.

Lynne



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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed May 12 11:15:33 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 20:15:33 +1000
Subject: More thoughts on Amadeus Pro
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Suit yourself but I maintain that again a mountain out of a molehill is being made.

Yep, a nice help file is convenient and just as convenient is a manual at your fingertips, less convenient is no information available whatever.

As I said in the original reply to Gordon's message, it was a matter for me of copying the content from the manual and pasting it into Text edit, saving a copy on my hard drive, looking at it every now and then to find what I wanted and - where appropriate - opening another Text Edit window to copy parts of the manual as notes, a process that on average takes no longer than 2 minutes.

The Manual is well organised with a contents section and - whilst you can't click on a link in the contents page - you can use the headings there as a reference for your search.

And as a final note, I appreciate that there are those who just dislike manuals so those people probably will never get the full benefit out of one anyway let alone a help file.


On 12/05/2010, at 6:52 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Travis
> 
> I totally, absolutely and utterly agree with you on all points.
> 
> The Amadeus help and parts of the programme itself are a joke, no other way of putting it.
> 
> 
> On 11 May 2010, at 14:08, Travis Siegel wrote:
> 
> Information is only useful if it can be accessed.
> Making one huge 2GB file of the encyclopedia britanaca would do nobody any good, because you wouldn't be able to find the entries you're searching for without a lot of extra work.  That's all Gordon is saying, and quite rightly I'd say.  The apple help system is designed to handle html files perfectly well, so there's really no excuse for developers to get lazy and paste the entire document in as a single unformated piece of text.
> That's what headings, sections, and section links are for.
> Also, as far as editing goes, instead of setting the zoom level, it could easily be modified to use cursor keys in their unmodified states to move normally, command-arrows to move in smaller increments, ctrl-arrows to move in larger chunks, and shift-arrows to do the final fine tuning to locate your cursors where they need to be.  It's always boggled my mind to see such a huge array of key combinations go entirely unused when an application (such as this one) would clearly benefit from such an approach.
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 12 14:08:56 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 14:08:56 +0100
Subject: MAC VOICES
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Hello Dave & all

We are going to put up a demo of the voices soon for anybody who wants to download it from the Mac-Access.net website.

Gordon


From richard at godfrey-mckay.co.uk  Wed May 12 14:14:22 2010
From: richard at godfrey-mckay.co.uk (Richard Godfrey-McKay)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 14:14:22 +0100
Subject: MAC VOICES
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Thanks Gordon, that will be really helpful.  Thanks also to Lynne for her
voice file.

Regards

Richard  


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We are going to put up a demo of the voices soon for anybody who wants to
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 12 14:21:37 2010
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Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 14:21:37 +0100
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Message-ID: <02EC997C-47C8-4163-A0DA-8A3E0E008650@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 12 May 2010, at 11:15, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Suit yourself but I maintain that again a mountain out of a molehill is being made.

You're entitled to your opinion.

? Yep, a nice help file is convenient and just as convenient is a manual at your fingertips, less convenient is no information available whatever.

Again, you're entitled to your opinion.

? As I said in the original reply to Gordon's message, it was a matter for me of copying the content from the manual and pasting it into Text edit, saving a copy on my hard drive, looking at it every now and then to find what I wanted and - where appropriate - opening another Text Edit window to copy parts of the manual as notes, a process that on average takes no longer than 2 minutes.

Doesn't get around the fact that there's no help file. Like it or not, the Apple help system is basic to most applications that I've seen and Amadeus Pro is the exception rather than the rule.

And, as an after-thought, you were the one who claimed that the tutorial on that website was "a job well done". Clearly, you hadn't read it; or hadn't read it properly or you would have noticed the errors.

In fact, that turorial itself could be better laid out. It's just one long file with nothing to differentiate the sections. But again that's just my view.

? The Manual is well organised with a contents section and - whilst you can't click on a link in the contents page - you can use the headings there as a reference for your search.

Must be nice to have the time. :-)

? And as a final note, I appreciate that there are those who just dislike manuals so those people probably will never get the full benefit out of one anyway let alone a help file.

Clearly another remark aimed at Gordon. You are well aware of his dislike of wading through manuals.

Lynne



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed May 12 14:52:39 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 23:52:39 +1000
Subject: Twitter and Facebook
Message-ID: <D5F60B0D-AC73-4A6E-8DD1-5EF0FBB6DA66@internode.on.net>

Hi Everyone!
Just to let you all know that I?m on both Twitter  and Facebook.  On my TTwitter I often post tweets pertaining to new pieces of Mac software I?ve discovered, updates to software I have as well as other bits and pieces, compliments email lists nicely I find <smile>.
Anyway you can view my Twitter from the link above or you can go grab a good Twitter Client which is fully accessible, such a client is syrinx 
A good accessible Facebook link is Mobile Facebook which is extremely accessible, more accessible than the main facebook  site it seems, less traffic too! <smile>.

From tsiegel at softcon.us  Wed May 12 14:54:25 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 08:54:25 -0500
Subject: Bwana
In-Reply-To: <1F96A3D5-3B1C-4788-9794-EF9B2E575E38@tznet.com>
References: <1F96A3D5-3B1C-4788-9794-EF9B2E575E38@tznet.com>
Message-ID: <3708FC2D-F32C-4695-A815-8F36799B5F3B@softcon.us>

Oops.
You are correct.  I get so much of my software from sourceforge (I  
really need to put some projects up there myself just to give back)  
that I (wrongly) assumed bwana came from there too.
Unfortunately, there is little documentation with bwana itself, but  
checking the source and the info.plist file lead me to the bruji.com  
site.
I located the bwana program at the following url.
http://bruji.com/bwana/index.html
They have both source and binary releases, so grab what works for you.
All you need to do is drop the bwana app into your apps folder, then  
you can visit the address bar of your favorite browser, and type  
something like:
man:calendar
press enter, and poof, a man page in your browser that explains all  
you ever wanted to know (or not as the case may be) about the calendar  
app that ships with osx, something I fully intend to make a post on  
later, since I've been using it for over a month now with great success.
So, if you've ever had the need to use man pages, or didn't like using  
terminal to read those massive man pages, now you no longer have to,  
just go grab a copy of bwana, and you can browse in comfort the man  
pages with your web browser.
Hope this helps.
(and sorry for the misdirection)


From martin at x.it.okstate.edu  Wed May 12 15:35:06 2010
From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 09:35:06 -0500
Subject: raidutil from Command Line 
Message-ID: <201005121435.o4CEZ6ds036457@x.it.okstate.edu>

I am getting much closer, but have hit another knowledge void. I
now have a proper looking raidset which I gave a volume name of
main1 to. When I came in this morning,

raidutil list status

reported everything good and it said that main1 was reliable. 

	Any ideas on how to turn this volume in to
/dev/something which will then be the new startup/installation
disk? The man pages don't mention that but I think you should
have to run something like makedev to turn that raid volume in
to a proper block device. That device should then mount like a
disk drive and the world returns to normal after that.
Thanks.

Martin McCormick

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 12 16:14:05 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:14:05 +0100
Subject: Disk Order
Message-ID: <95187574-FE53-4705-BCFD-5E7649F62ABF@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

Has anybody tried Disk Order with Snow Leopard by any chance and, if so, is it stable?  I'm getting really brassed off with the one real pet hate of mine regarding OSX.  That is the inability to cut and paste files from one place to another.

I simply cannot understand for the life of me why Apple insists on excluding a cut and paste from the keyboard option for files.  After all, one who can use the mouse can drag & drop files, so where's the difference?

Be that as it may, I'm hoping that I can start using Disk Order again if it's now stable, instead of the finder when I need to manipulate files.



From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 12 21:01:43 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 21:01:43 +0100
Subject: iPad On Its Way
Message-ID: <6E5A47B8-F316-4CED-A775-C1ED3D06FC62@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello all

A few weeks ago, my iPhone 3GS died an unfortunate death. Since that time we have been considering buying another one. But, having just come back from an Apple reseller exhibition a couple of hours ago, we've decided that Gordon will gi d md his iPhone, and I have just ordered for him an iPad 64GB with Wifi and also 3G.

The price of the iPad with 3G is somewhat more than a new iPhone; but it has a lot more to offer we think. So I thought; why not! If anybody is interested in Gordon's findings, please let us know. He plans to do a review and podcast which will be placed on the Mac-Access.net website and made available on the iTunes store.

The iPad is not yet available in the UK but ships by 7 June and it is pre-ordered so should be with us by that date according to Apple.

Lynne



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed May 12 21:05:14 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 06:05:14 +1000
Subject: iPad On Its Way
In-Reply-To: <6E5A47B8-F316-4CED-A775-C1ED3D06FC62@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <6E5A47B8-F316-4CED-A775-C1ED3D06FC62@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6D3CF19E-C288-45F1-8BA4-2176BB2FC17C@internode.on.net>

Sounds good! no doubt you're aware that the Ipad doesn't take the standard SIM card?

I'm looking at an Ipad for myself later this year but I won't be bothering with the 3G model as I'll have to take out another contract or data plan, the Ipad is released here next Friday, think the standard Wi-Fi version starts at around $650.00 australian with the top 3G model at $1099.00 Australian dollars.

Actually there's a very good review of the Ipad in this mornings local press in Australia, its not available online so I'll quote it to the list as I'm sure others will find it an interesting read, the review naturally doesn't cover any accessibility features but it does in my view give an accurate picture of the device.


On 13/05/2010, at 6:01 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello all
> 
> A few weeks ago, my iPhone 3GS died an unfortunate death. Since that time we have been considering buying another one. But, having just come back from an Apple reseller exhibition a couple of hours ago, we've decided that Gordon will gi d md his iPhone, and I have just ordered for him an iPad 64GB with Wifi and also 3G.
> 
> The price of the iPad with 3G is somewhat more than a new iPhone; but it has a lot more to offer we think. So I thought; why not! If anybody is interested in Gordon's findings, please let us know. He plans to do a review and podcast which will be placed on the Mac-Access.net website and made available on the iTunes store.
> 
> The iPad is not yet available in the UK but ships by 7 June and it is pre-ordered so should be with us by that date according to Apple.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed May 12 21:16:07 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 06:16:07 +1000
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
Message-ID: <F1F4CFAB-8BE3-4EDA-94AE-505FEBABEB2F@internode.on.net>

Hi!

The following review is taken from The Age Green Guide for Thursday, 13 May 2010.

> Headline, Messiah or a naughty toy?, by Adam Turner.
> The Apple iPad is a stunning device but suffers greatly for its sins.
> APPLE'S long-awaited tablet is finally coming to Australia, with pre-orders being taken for delivery in two weeks. But is the iPad a triumph of style over substance?
> Apple worshippers claim the iPad is heavenly, a tablet carried down from the mountain Moses-style by Apple high priest Steve Jobs. Meanwhile, Apple's critics see the iPad as the golden calf ? wondrous and shiny but ultimately requiring you to sell your soul to the devil in black.
> Australian customers have been forced to wait for the iPad after US buyers quickly ordered the first batch but a handful of those early iPads made their way to our shores. I was one of the lucky few and arranged for a friend to courier an iPad from California.
> Yet having owned an iPad for a month, I'm still not convinced that it's computing's saviour. Instead, the iPad is the definitive Apple product ? blessed with a miraculous user experience but blemished by the sin of omission and lacking key features that owners of other devices take for granted.
> So what exactly is the iPad? Basically, it's an overgrown iPhone, coming in a bit smaller than an A4 sheet of paper. Actually, it's almost exactly the same size as the Green Guide folded in half and not much thicker. Weighing 700 grams, the iPad sits comfortably in your hands and features a gorgeous 25-centimetre display. Don't bother looking for a built-in keyboard as, like the iPhone, the iPad uses a touch-screen interface. You can flick, tap and pinch the screen to navigate your way through the iPad's highly intuitive interface, while an onscreen keyboard pops up when you need to type something.
> The iPad's screen is exquisite ? making it hard not to fall in love with the device at first sight. Images and colours on the big display are deep and vibrant, plus the iPad's extra grunt under the bonnet makes menus and animations silky smooth.
> It's clearly an object of desire but what would you do with an iPad? It's a good question, considering they are priced from $629 to $1049 in Australia. The iPad won't replace your mobile phone ? it can't make phone calls. It's also unlikely to replace your desktop computer, or even a powerful notebook ? it runs the iPhone's mobile-phone operating system, so you can only install the applications available from Apple's iTunes Store. The iPad's lack of a physical keyboard would make writing long reports or school assignments a hard slog.
> Instead, Apple is targeting the iPad as a replacement for the cheap, low-powered netbooks that have become popular recently.
> At first glance the iPad seems the perfect netbook replacement. It's great for surfing the web, reading email, checking your calendar, viewing your photos, watching videos, updating Twitter and Facebook, listening to music and reading books ? but with a few critical limitations.
> Like the iPhone, the iPad won't handle Adobe Flash content. Flash is used by many websites to provide video, animated graphics, interactive content and, yes, those annoying ads.
> The growth in iPhone- and iPad-friendly websites is reducing our reliance on Flash ? as is the rise of new standards such as HTML5 ? but it will be years before Flash fades away. Meanwhile, you'll be disappointed with the iPad if you want to play Flash-based games on Facebook or watch Flash-based video such as the ABC's iView catch-up TV service. Many interesting interactive websites also rely on Flash or equivalent technologies, such as Microsoft Silverlight, forcing you to put down the iPad and go in search of a real computer.
> The iPad also falls short of a netbook in several other areas. There's no keyboard for typing long documents, no DVD drive for playing movies and music, no webcam for Skype video chats, no memory-card slot for copying photos from your digital camera and no USB ports for connecting other devices. If you're prepared to spend more money, Apple offers solutions for many of these issues. You can buy a wireless keyboard, a USB adaptor and a memory card adaptor. Of course, the iPad isn't as portable as a netbook if you need to carry around a bag full of adaptors and accessories.
> When it comes to connecting to the internet, the iPad is available in two versions. The Wi-Fi-only version lets the iPad connect to local wireless networks such as your home Wi-Fi network or a public Wi-Fi hotspot. The more expensive Wi-Fi/3G iPad also takes a SIM card so, like a smartphone, it can connect directly to a mobile broadband network. You can't use the SIM card out of your phone, as the iPad uses the micro-SIM format ? offering carriers the chance to lock in iPad customers for exorbitant mobile-data prices.
> You can't get around these networking limitations by connecting your iPad to a smartphone via Bluetooth or USB, as Apple blocks the ability to "tether" to other devices in order to share internet access. It's the price you pay for living under Apple's benevolent dictatorship.
> Talking about using the iPad on the go, it's worth noting that the trade-off for the iPad's exquisite display is terrible screen glare. Even on an overcast day you'll be staring at your reflection if you use the iPad outside, plus you'll see every little smudge and fingerprint on the screen. On a bright day the screen is all but unusable in direct sunlight.
> So what are its redeeming features? Its key strength is usability and its place is probably on the coffee table or beside your bed.
> Flash limitations aside, the iPad is a great device for casual computing. Forget about viruses, crashes and constant software updates ? the iPad is one of those rare products that "just works". If your only computer is locked away in the study at the cold end of the house, the iPad would be a handy device to have lying around. Want to check your email or read the paper online? Settle an argument using Google or the Internet Movie Database? Play games? Show off your digital photos? All simple tasks when the iPad is at hand.
> On the flip side, if you already have a house full of computers, with a notebook or netbook always within reach, then the iPad might seem like a redundant extravagance.
> Think of buying an iPad as buying a Vespa motor scooter when you already own a Ford Territory for driving to work and a Malvern Star for riding to the park. I've had an iPad for a month and, in my tech-savvy household, this wundergadget lies idle most of the time.
> When we do call upon the iPad, I soon come up against one of its limitations and go in search of a notebook.
> Now we've cut to the heart of the matter ? what is an iPad good for?
> If you already own a swag of gadgets, perhaps think of the iPad as an eBook and newspaper reader. More than one Australian publisher is preparing to unveil an iPad application. Apple has also opened an iBookstore section of the iTunes Store, which looks set to do for books what the iPod did for music. Access to the bookstore is restricted to US customers at this stage, although a quick Google search would inform any curious local how to set up a US iTunes account from Australia. You can also read Kindle eBooks on the iPad. Some people might find it easy to justify the expense of an iPad, such as photographers wanting to show off their photos or students who usually carry textbooks.
> About now it's time to turn our attention to Apple's secret weapon ? the iTunes Store. Access to the iTunes Store, to download music, movies, podcasts, games and productivity apps, gives the iPhone the advantage over competing smartphones. The iPad offers the same flexibility, with almost all the iPhone apps working on the iPad.
> Your "killer app" for the iPad could be Twittering in front of the television, reading the paper on the way to work, playing games while you wait for the bus or reading books in bed.
> Perhaps it could be checking the footy score from the backyard, checking the weather forecast from the lounge room, reading your email on the balcony or looking up recipes in the kitchen.
> If you buy an iPad you'll probably love it, as long as you appreciate its limitations and don't expect it to be a notebook or netbook replacement. Big is certainly beautiful but Apple's eye-catching iPad isn't designed to be your one true love.
> 

From jpanarese at mac-access.net  Wed May 12 21:25:35 2010
From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:25:35 -0400
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
In-Reply-To: <F1F4CFAB-8BE3-4EDA-94AE-505FEBABEB2F@internode.on.net>
References: <F1F4CFAB-8BE3-4EDA-94AE-505FEBABEB2F@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <717B5C9D-225C-42B9-9F19-2F04F5EDAB7B@mac-access.net>

     Yet another person who doesn't get it.  I'm tired of saying this, but one cannot compare an iPad to a net book.  They are different animals, and this need to compare them is missing the overall point.  Just like with the iPhone, it's going to take a bit of time before most folks finally catch on.  Exactly what potential the iPad has is far from being realized, and it has nothing to do with worshipping Apple.  It's simply understanding where the technology trend towards mobile devices is heading.  As usual, Apple is way ahead of the game, and people like this author are still living in the old computing world.

      Also, well, this dude doesn't quite get that Flash is dying a slow death.  It's Internet use is about 62 percent of content, and with several places jumping to HTML5, it's predicted that Flash content will drop to below 40 percent by the end of 2011.  Even Microsoft agreed with Apple's stance on Flash usage, so lamenting the inability of the iPad to handle such content is basically small potatoes.

Take Care
 John Panarese

On May 12, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> The following review is taken from The Age Green Guide for Thursday, 13 May 2010.
> 
>> Headline, Messiah or a naughty toy?, by Adam Turner.
>> The Apple iPad is a stunning device but suffers greatly for its sins.
>> APPLE'S long-awaited tablet is finally coming to Australia, with pre-orders being taken for delivery in two weeks. But is the iPad a triumph of style over substance?
>> Apple worshippers claim the iPad is heavenly, a tablet carried down from the mountain Moses-style by Apple high priest Steve Jobs. Meanwhile, Apple's critics see the iPad as the golden calf ? wondrous and shiny but ultimately requiring you to sell your soul to the devil in black.
>> Australian customers have been forced to wait for the iPad after US buyers quickly ordered the first batch but a handful of those early iPads made their way to our shores. I was one of the lucky few and arranged for a friend to courier an iPad from California.
>> Yet having owned an iPad for a month, I'm still not convinced that it's computing's saviour. Instead, the iPad is the definitive Apple product ? blessed with a miraculous user experience but blemished by the sin of omission and lacking key features that owners of other devices take for granted.
>> So what exactly is the iPad? Basically, it's an overgrown iPhone, coming in a bit smaller than an A4 sheet of paper. Actually, it's almost exactly the same size as the Green Guide folded in half and not much thicker. Weighing 700 grams, the iPad sits comfortably in your hands and features a gorgeous 25-centimetre display. Don't bother looking for a built-in keyboard as, like the iPhone, the iPad uses a touch-screen interface. You can flick, tap and pinch the screen to navigate your way through the iPad's highly intuitive interface, while an onscreen keyboard pops up when you need to type something.
>> The iPad's screen is exquisite ? making it hard not to fall in love with the device at first sight. Images and colours on the big display are deep and vibrant, plus the iPad's extra grunt under the bonnet makes menus and animations silky smooth.
>> It's clearly an object of desire but what would you do with an iPad? It's a good question, considering they are priced from $629 to $1049 in Australia. The iPad won't replace your mobile phone ? it can't make phone calls. It's also unlikely to replace your desktop computer, or even a powerful notebook ? it runs the iPhone's mobile-phone operating system, so you can only install the applications available from Apple's iTunes Store. The iPad's lack of a physical keyboard would make writing long reports or school assignments a hard slog.
>> Instead, Apple is targeting the iPad as a replacement for the cheap, low-powered netbooks that have become popular recently.
>> At first glance the iPad seems the perfect netbook replacement. It's great for surfing the web, reading email, checking your calendar, viewing your photos, watching videos, updating Twitter and Facebook, listening to music and reading books ? but with a few critical limitations.
>> Like the iPhone, the iPad won't handle Adobe Flash content. Flash is used by many websites to provide video, animated graphics, interactive content and, yes, those annoying ads.
>> The growth in iPhone- and iPad-friendly websites is reducing our reliance on Flash ? as is the rise of new standards such as HTML5 ? but it will be years before Flash fades away. Meanwhile, you'll be disappointed with the iPad if you want to play Flash-based games on Facebook or watch Flash-based video such as the ABC's iView catch-up TV service. Many interesting interactive websites also rely on Flash or equivalent technologies, such as Microsoft Silverlight, forcing you to put down the iPad and go in search of a real computer.
>> The iPad also falls short of a netbook in several other areas. There's no keyboard for typing long documents, no DVD drive for playing movies and music, no webcam for Skype video chats, no memory-card slot for copying photos from your digital camera and no USB ports for connecting other devices. If you're prepared to spend more money, Apple offers solutions for many of these issues. You can buy a wireless keyboard, a USB adaptor and a memory card adaptor. Of course, the iPad isn't as portable as a netbook if you need to carry around a bag full of adaptors and accessories.
>> When it comes to connecting to the internet, the iPad is available in two versions. The Wi-Fi-only version lets the iPad connect to local wireless networks such as your home Wi-Fi network or a public Wi-Fi hotspot. The more expensive Wi-Fi/3G iPad also takes a SIM card so, like a smartphone, it can connect directly to a mobile broadband network. You can't use the SIM card out of your phone, as the iPad uses the micro-SIM format ? offering carriers the chance to lock in iPad customers for exorbitant mobile-data prices.
>> You can't get around these networking limitations by connecting your iPad to a smartphone via Bluetooth or USB, as Apple blocks the ability to "tether" to other devices in order to share internet access. It's the price you pay for living under Apple's benevolent dictatorship.
>> Talking about using the iPad on the go, it's worth noting that the trade-off for the iPad's exquisite display is terrible screen glare. Even on an overcast day you'll be staring at your reflection if you use the iPad outside, plus you'll see every little smudge and fingerprint on the screen. On a bright day the screen is all but unusable in direct sunlight.
>> So what are its redeeming features? Its key strength is usability and its place is probably on the coffee table or beside your bed.
>> Flash limitations aside, the iPad is a great device for casual computing. Forget about viruses, crashes and constant software updates ? the iPad is one of those rare products that "just works". If your only computer is locked away in the study at the cold end of the house, the iPad would be a handy device to have lying around. Want to check your email or read the paper online? Settle an argument using Google or the Internet Movie Database? Play games? Show off your digital photos? All simple tasks when the iPad is at hand.
>> On the flip side, if you already have a house full of computers, with a notebook or netbook always within reach, then the iPad might seem like a redundant extravagance.
>> Think of buying an iPad as buying a Vespa motor scooter when you already own a Ford Territory for driving to work and a Malvern Star for riding to the park. I've had an iPad for a month and, in my tech-savvy household, this wundergadget lies idle most of the time.
>> When we do call upon the iPad, I soon come up against one of its limitations and go in search of a notebook.
>> Now we've cut to the heart of the matter ? what is an iPad good for?
>> If you already own a swag of gadgets, perhaps think of the iPad as an eBook and newspaper reader. More than one Australian publisher is preparing to unveil an iPad application. Apple has also opened an iBookstore section of the iTunes Store, which looks set to do for books what the iPod did for music. Access to the bookstore is restricted to US customers at this stage, although a quick Google search would inform any curious local how to set up a US iTunes account from Australia. You can also read Kindle eBooks on the iPad. Some people might find it easy to justify the expense of an iPad, such as photographers wanting to show off their photos or students who usually carry textbooks.
>> About now it's time to turn our attention to Apple's secret weapon ? the iTunes Store. Access to the iTunes Store, to download music, movies, podcasts, games and productivity apps, gives the iPhone the advantage over competing smartphones. The iPad offers the same flexibility, with almost all the iPhone apps working on the iPad.
>> Your "killer app" for the iPad could be Twittering in front of the television, reading the paper on the way to work, playing games while you wait for the bus or reading books in bed.
>> Perhaps it could be checking the footy score from the backyard, checking the weather forecast from the lounge room, reading your email on the balcony or looking up recipes in the kitchen.
>> If you buy an iPad you'll probably love it, as long as you appreciate its limitations and don't expect it to be a notebook or netbook replacement. Big is certainly beautiful but Apple's eye-catching iPad isn't designed to be your one true love.
>> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed May 12 21:30:27 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 06:30:27 +1000
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
In-Reply-To: <717B5C9D-225C-42B9-9F19-2F04F5EDAB7B@mac-access.net>
References: <F1F4CFAB-8BE3-4EDA-94AE-505FEBABEB2F@internode.on.net>
	<717B5C9D-225C-42B9-9F19-2F04F5EDAB7B@mac-access.net>
Message-ID: <63B8CC59-4BF0-41B9-9566-A4B5FFC4FDD8@internode.on.net>

Good on you John <smile>

Well Adam is entitled to his opinion regardless of whether its right or wrong? Time will tell on that point.

As it happens, there was an article about Flash right before this review so - as you've mentioned Flash - I'll send it to the list as it touches on some of the points you've made.

Cheers!


On 13/05/2010, at 6:25 AM, John Panarese wrote:

>     Yet another person who doesn't get it.  I'm tired of saying this, but one cannot compare an iPad to a net book.  They are different animals, and this need to compare them is missing the overall point.  Just like with the iPhone, it's going to take a bit of time before most folks finally catch on.  Exactly what potential the iPad has is far from being realized, and it has nothing to do with worshipping Apple.  It's simply understanding where the technology trend towards mobile devices is heading.  As usual, Apple is way ahead of the game, and people like this author are still living in the old computing world.
> 
>      Also, well, this dude doesn't quite get that Flash is dying a slow death.  It's Internet use is about 62 percent of content, and with several places jumping to HTML5, it's predicted that Flash content will drop to below 40 percent by the end of 2011.  Even Microsoft agreed with Apple's stance on Flash usage, so lamenting the inability of the iPad to handle such content is basically small potatoes.
> 
> Take Care
> John Panarese
> 
> On May 12, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> The following review is taken from The Age Green Guide for Thursday, 13 May 2010.
>> 
>>> Headline, Messiah or a naughty toy?, by Adam Turner.
>>> The Apple iPad is a stunning device but suffers greatly for its sins.
>>> APPLE'S long-awaited tablet is finally coming to Australia, with pre-orders being taken for delivery in two weeks. But is the iPad a triumph of style over substance?
>>> Apple worshippers claim the iPad is heavenly, a tablet carried down from the mountain Moses-style by Apple high priest Steve Jobs. Meanwhile, Apple's critics see the iPad as the golden calf ? wondrous and shiny but ultimately requiring you to sell your soul to the devil in black.
>>> Australian customers have been forced to wait for the iPad after US buyers quickly ordered the first batch but a handful of those early iPads made their way to our shores. I was one of the lucky few and arranged for a friend to courier an iPad from California.
>>> Yet having owned an iPad for a month, I'm still not convinced that it's computing's saviour. Instead, the iPad is the definitive Apple product ? blessed with a miraculous user experience but blemished by the sin of omission and lacking key features that owners of other devices take for granted.
>>> So what exactly is the iPad? Basically, it's an overgrown iPhone, coming in a bit smaller than an A4 sheet of paper. Actually, it's almost exactly the same size as the Green Guide folded in half and not much thicker. Weighing 700 grams, the iPad sits comfortably in your hands and features a gorgeous 25-centimetre display. Don't bother looking for a built-in keyboard as, like the iPhone, the iPad uses a touch-screen interface. You can flick, tap and pinch the screen to navigate your way through the iPad's highly intuitive interface, while an onscreen keyboard pops up when you need to type something.
>>> The iPad's screen is exquisite ? making it hard not to fall in love with the device at first sight. Images and colours on the big display are deep and vibrant, plus the iPad's extra grunt under the bonnet makes menus and animations silky smooth.
>>> It's clearly an object of desire but what would you do with an iPad? It's a good question, considering they are priced from $629 to $1049 in Australia. The iPad won't replace your mobile phone ? it can't make phone calls. It's also unlikely to replace your desktop computer, or even a powerful notebook ? it runs the iPhone's mobile-phone operating system, so you can only install the applications available from Apple's iTunes Store. The iPad's lack of a physical keyboard would make writing long reports or school assignments a hard slog.
>>> Instead, Apple is targeting the iPad as a replacement for the cheap, low-powered netbooks that have become popular recently.
>>> At first glance the iPad seems the perfect netbook replacement. It's great for surfing the web, reading email, checking your calendar, viewing your photos, watching videos, updating Twitter and Facebook, listening to music and reading books ? but with a few critical limitations.
>>> Like the iPhone, the iPad won't handle Adobe Flash content. Flash is used by many websites to provide video, animated graphics, interactive content and, yes, those annoying ads.
>>> The growth in iPhone- and iPad-friendly websites is reducing our reliance on Flash ? as is the rise of new standards such as HTML5 ? but it will be years before Flash fades away. Meanwhile, you'll be disappointed with the iPad if you want to play Flash-based games on Facebook or watch Flash-based video such as the ABC's iView catch-up TV service. Many interesting interactive websites also rely on Flash or equivalent technologies, such as Microsoft Silverlight, forcing you to put down the iPad and go in search of a real computer.
>>> The iPad also falls short of a netbook in several other areas. There's no keyboard for typing long documents, no DVD drive for playing movies and music, no webcam for Skype video chats, no memory-card slot for copying photos from your digital camera and no USB ports for connecting other devices. If you're prepared to spend more money, Apple offers solutions for many of these issues. You can buy a wireless keyboard, a USB adaptor and a memory card adaptor. Of course, the iPad isn't as portable as a netbook if you need to carry around a bag full of adaptors and accessories.
>>> When it comes to connecting to the internet, the iPad is available in two versions. The Wi-Fi-only version lets the iPad connect to local wireless networks such as your home Wi-Fi network or a public Wi-Fi hotspot. The more expensive Wi-Fi/3G iPad also takes a SIM card so, like a smartphone, it can connect directly to a mobile broadband network. You can't use the SIM card out of your phone, as the iPad uses the micro-SIM format ? offering carriers the chance to lock in iPad customers for exorbitant mobile-data prices.
>>> You can't get around these networking limitations by connecting your iPad to a smartphone via Bluetooth or USB, as Apple blocks the ability to "tether" to other devices in order to share internet access. It's the price you pay for living under Apple's benevolent dictatorship.
>>> Talking about using the iPad on the go, it's worth noting that the trade-off for the iPad's exquisite display is terrible screen glare. Even on an overcast day you'll be staring at your reflection if you use the iPad outside, plus you'll see every little smudge and fingerprint on the screen. On a bright day the screen is all but unusable in direct sunlight.
>>> So what are its redeeming features? Its key strength is usability and its place is probably on the coffee table or beside your bed.
>>> Flash limitations aside, the iPad is a great device for casual computing. Forget about viruses, crashes and constant software updates ? the iPad is one of those rare products that "just works". If your only computer is locked away in the study at the cold end of the house, the iPad would be a handy device to have lying around. Want to check your email or read the paper online? Settle an argument using Google or the Internet Movie Database? Play games? Show off your digital photos? All simple tasks when the iPad is at hand.
>>> On the flip side, if you already have a house full of computers, with a notebook or netbook always within reach, then the iPad might seem like a redundant extravagance.
>>> Think of buying an iPad as buying a Vespa motor scooter when you already own a Ford Territory for driving to work and a Malvern Star for riding to the park. I've had an iPad for a month and, in my tech-savvy household, this wundergadget lies idle most of the time.
>>> When we do call upon the iPad, I soon come up against one of its limitations and go in search of a notebook.
>>> Now we've cut to the heart of the matter ? what is an iPad good for?
>>> If you already own a swag of gadgets, perhaps think of the iPad as an eBook and newspaper reader. More than one Australian publisher is preparing to unveil an iPad application. Apple has also opened an iBookstore section of the iTunes Store, which looks set to do for books what the iPod did for music. Access to the bookstore is restricted to US customers at this stage, although a quick Google search would inform any curious local how to set up a US iTunes account from Australia. You can also read Kindle eBooks on the iPad. Some people might find it easy to justify the expense of an iPad, such as photographers wanting to show off their photos or students who usually carry textbooks.
>>> About now it's time to turn our attention to Apple's secret weapon ? the iTunes Store. Access to the iTunes Store, to download music, movies, podcasts, games and productivity apps, gives the iPhone the advantage over competing smartphones. The iPad offers the same flexibility, with almost all the iPhone apps working on the iPad.
>>> Your "killer app" for the iPad could be Twittering in front of the television, reading the paper on the way to work, playing games while you wait for the bus or reading books in bed.
>>> Perhaps it could be checking the footy score from the backyard, checking the weather forecast from the lounge room, reading your email on the balcony or looking up recipes in the kitchen.
>>> If you buy an iPad you'll probably love it, as long as you appreciate its limitations and don't expect it to be a notebook or netbook replacement. Big is certainly beautiful but Apple's eye-catching iPad isn't designed to be your one true love.
>>> 
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From jpanarese at mac-access.net  Wed May 12 21:37:07 2010
From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:37:07 -0400
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
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    Of course one is entitled to their opinions.  Opinions, however, do not necessarily have to be right if they are based on misinformation.  The iPad is not for everyone and there are certainly many who will not ever buy one.  My point is that his opinion is based on flawed assumptions.  He is starting with the premise that the iPad is a net book competitor, and if you heard Steve Jobs' address about it, it is not meant to be a net book replacement.  It's a category of its own, and considering that Google is planning on releasing a Tablet, Apple is pretty much dead on again.  I think you are going to find several tablet types of devices coming out over the next year, and the whole "what is an iPad?" debate will be long dead.

Take Care
John Panarese

On May 12, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Good on you John <smile>
> 
> Well Adam is entitled to his opinion regardless of whether its right or wrong? Time will tell on that point.
> 
> As it happens, there was an article about Flash right before this review so - as you've mentioned Flash - I'll send it to the list as it touches on some of the points you've made.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> 
> On 13/05/2010, at 6:25 AM, John Panarese wrote:
> 
>>    Yet another person who doesn't get it.  I'm tired of saying this, but one cannot compare an iPad to a net book.  They are different animals, and this need to compare them is missing the overall point.  Just like with the iPhone, it's going to take a bit of time before most folks finally catch on.  Exactly what potential the iPad has is far from being realized, and it has nothing to do with worshipping Apple.  It's simply understanding where the technology trend towards mobile devices is heading.  As usual, Apple is way ahead of the game, and people like this author are still living in the old computing world.
>> 
>>     Also, well, this dude doesn't quite get that Flash is dying a slow death.  It's Internet use is about 62 percent of content, and with several places jumping to HTML5, it's predicted that Flash content will drop to below 40 percent by the end of 2011.  Even Microsoft agreed with Apple's stance on Flash usage, so lamenting the inability of the iPad to handle such content is basically small potatoes.
>> 
>> Take Care
>> John Panarese
>> 
>> On May 12, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> The following review is taken from The Age Green Guide for Thursday, 13 May 2010.
>>> 
>>>> Headline, Messiah or a naughty toy?, by Adam Turner.
>>>> The Apple iPad is a stunning device but suffers greatly for its sins.
>>>> APPLE'S long-awaited tablet is finally coming to Australia, with pre-orders being taken for delivery in two weeks. But is the iPad a triumph of style over substance?
>>>> Apple worshippers claim the iPad is heavenly, a tablet carried down from the mountain Moses-style by Apple high priest Steve Jobs. Meanwhile, Apple's critics see the iPad as the golden calf ? wondrous and shiny but ultimately requiring you to sell your soul to the devil in black.
>>>> Australian customers have been forced to wait for the iPad after US buyers quickly ordered the first batch but a handful of those early iPads made their way to our shores. I was one of the lucky few and arranged for a friend to courier an iPad from California.
>>>> Yet having owned an iPad for a month, I'm still not convinced that it's computing's saviour. Instead, the iPad is the definitive Apple product ? blessed with a miraculous user experience but blemished by the sin of omission and lacking key features that owners of other devices take for granted.
>>>> So what exactly is the iPad? Basically, it's an overgrown iPhone, coming in a bit smaller than an A4 sheet of paper. Actually, it's almost exactly the same size as the Green Guide folded in half and not much thicker. Weighing 700 grams, the iPad sits comfortably in your hands and features a gorgeous 25-centimetre display. Don't bother looking for a built-in keyboard as, like the iPhone, the iPad uses a touch-screen interface. You can flick, tap and pinch the screen to navigate your way through the iPad's highly intuitive interface, while an onscreen keyboard pops up when you need to type something.
>>>> The iPad's screen is exquisite ? making it hard not to fall in love with the device at first sight. Images and colours on the big display are deep and vibrant, plus the iPad's extra grunt under the bonnet makes menus and animations silky smooth.
>>>> It's clearly an object of desire but what would you do with an iPad? It's a good question, considering they are priced from $629 to $1049 in Australia. The iPad won't replace your mobile phone ? it can't make phone calls. It's also unlikely to replace your desktop computer, or even a powerful notebook ? it runs the iPhone's mobile-phone operating system, so you can only install the applications available from Apple's iTunes Store. The iPad's lack of a physical keyboard would make writing long reports or school assignments a hard slog.
>>>> Instead, Apple is targeting the iPad as a replacement for the cheap, low-powered netbooks that have become popular recently.
>>>> At first glance the iPad seems the perfect netbook replacement. It's great for surfing the web, reading email, checking your calendar, viewing your photos, watching videos, updating Twitter and Facebook, listening to music and reading books ? but with a few critical limitations.
>>>> Like the iPhone, the iPad won't handle Adobe Flash content. Flash is used by many websites to provide video, animated graphics, interactive content and, yes, those annoying ads.
>>>> The growth in iPhone- and iPad-friendly websites is reducing our reliance on Flash ? as is the rise of new standards such as HTML5 ? but it will be years before Flash fades away. Meanwhile, you'll be disappointed with the iPad if you want to play Flash-based games on Facebook or watch Flash-based video such as the ABC's iView catch-up TV service. Many interesting interactive websites also rely on Flash or equivalent technologies, such as Microsoft Silverlight, forcing you to put down the iPad and go in search of a real computer.
>>>> The iPad also falls short of a netbook in several other areas. There's no keyboard for typing long documents, no DVD drive for playing movies and music, no webcam for Skype video chats, no memory-card slot for copying photos from your digital camera and no USB ports for connecting other devices. If you're prepared to spend more money, Apple offers solutions for many of these issues. You can buy a wireless keyboard, a USB adaptor and a memory card adaptor. Of course, the iPad isn't as portable as a netbook if you need to carry around a bag full of adaptors and accessories.
>>>> When it comes to connecting to the internet, the iPad is available in two versions. The Wi-Fi-only version lets the iPad connect to local wireless networks such as your home Wi-Fi network or a public Wi-Fi hotspot. The more expensive Wi-Fi/3G iPad also takes a SIM card so, like a smartphone, it can connect directly to a mobile broadband network. You can't use the SIM card out of your phone, as the iPad uses the micro-SIM format ? offering carriers the chance to lock in iPad customers for exorbitant mobile-data prices.
>>>> You can't get around these networking limitations by connecting your iPad to a smartphone via Bluetooth or USB, as Apple blocks the ability to "tether" to other devices in order to share internet access. It's the price you pay for living under Apple's benevolent dictatorship.
>>>> Talking about using the iPad on the go, it's worth noting that the trade-off for the iPad's exquisite display is terrible screen glare. Even on an overcast day you'll be staring at your reflection if you use the iPad outside, plus you'll see every little smudge and fingerprint on the screen. On a bright day the screen is all but unusable in direct sunlight.
>>>> So what are its redeeming features? Its key strength is usability and its place is probably on the coffee table or beside your bed.
>>>> Flash limitations aside, the iPad is a great device for casual computing. Forget about viruses, crashes and constant software updates ? the iPad is one of those rare products that "just works". If your only computer is locked away in the study at the cold end of the house, the iPad would be a handy device to have lying around. Want to check your email or read the paper online? Settle an argument using Google or the Internet Movie Database? Play games? Show off your digital photos? All simple tasks when the iPad is at hand.
>>>> On the flip side, if you already have a house full of computers, with a notebook or netbook always within reach, then the iPad might seem like a redundant extravagance.
>>>> Think of buying an iPad as buying a Vespa motor scooter when you already own a Ford Territory for driving to work and a Malvern Star for riding to the park. I've had an iPad for a month and, in my tech-savvy household, this wundergadget lies idle most of the time.
>>>> When we do call upon the iPad, I soon come up against one of its limitations and go in search of a notebook.
>>>> Now we've cut to the heart of the matter ? what is an iPad good for?
>>>> If you already own a swag of gadgets, perhaps think of the iPad as an eBook and newspaper reader. More than one Australian publisher is preparing to unveil an iPad application. Apple has also opened an iBookstore section of the iTunes Store, which looks set to do for books what the iPod did for music. Access to the bookstore is restricted to US customers at this stage, although a quick Google search would inform any curious local how to set up a US iTunes account from Australia. You can also read Kindle eBooks on the iPad. Some people might find it easy to justify the expense of an iPad, such as photographers wanting to show off their photos or students who usually carry textbooks.
>>>> About now it's time to turn our attention to Apple's secret weapon ? the iTunes Store. Access to the iTunes Store, to download music, movies, podcasts, games and productivity apps, gives the iPhone the advantage over competing smartphones. The iPad offers the same flexibility, with almost all the iPhone apps working on the iPad.
>>>> Your "killer app" for the iPad could be Twittering in front of the television, reading the paper on the way to work, playing games while you wait for the bus or reading books in bed.
>>>> Perhaps it could be checking the footy score from the backyard, checking the weather forecast from the lounge room, reading your email on the balcony or looking up recipes in the kitchen.
>>>> If you buy an iPad you'll probably love it, as long as you appreciate its limitations and don't expect it to be a notebook or netbook replacement. Big is certainly beautiful but Apple's eye-catching iPad isn't designed to be your one true love.
>>>> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed May 12 21:39:49 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 06:39:49 +1000
Subject: Further comments and observations on Flash
Message-ID: <9F5BD289-3943-45D3-B251-F12CFA471FEA@internode.on.net>

Okay, this piece appeared in Today's Age Green Guide in the "Macman" column and touches on a few points that John mentioned in an earlier message regarding Adobe's Flash.

> Headline, MACFILE, by GARRY BARKER.
> APPLE isn't the only technology company keeping lawyers in Savile Row suits, Bentleys and Dom Perignon but it shoulders a fair share of the burden.
> After Apple chief Steve Jobs's recent open letter explaining why he thinks Adobe's Flash is unsuitable for iPhones, and partly because of Adobe's complaint about it, the US Department of Justice and the Federal Trade Commission are considering an investigation of Apple for anti-competitive behaviour.
> Adobe says Apple is stifling competition by barring developers from using Flash to create apps for the iPhone and iPad. Since the devices, and particularly the iPad, look like changing the way many people use the internet, Adobe's alarm is understandable. But if web designers continue to use Flash, then Apple may have to reverse its decision.
> Mr Jobs's letter said Flash was an unreliable, insecure battery-hog. He said it was not an open standard and was unlikely to survive against HTML5, CSS, JavaScript and H.264, all open standards, which Apple has espoused for years.
> However, Adobe has touted its new Creative Suite, CS5, by saying its Flash Professional Toolkit is for "developing applications for mobile devices, including the iPhone".
> Opinion is divided. Flash has problems on the Mac and iPhone and many users support Mr Jobs's line.
> But there is a more important issue dogging Apple. Public outrage greeted an appalling police attack on the editor of website Gizmodo, who had obtained what was purported to be the next iPhone model. Apple wanted it back. Police broke down doors to get it. How deeply Apple was involved in the raid is unknown but a blast delivered by US TV host Jon Stewart should give Cupertino pause.
> Gizmodo's case is thin. It bought stolen property; a fencing offence.
> Clearly, Apple is no longer perceived as the underdog innovator. Incidents such as that raid risk a serious blow to the image that has been so much a part of its success.
> 

From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed May 12 21:41:27 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 06:41:27 +1000
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
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I agree with you that we're going to see a few different tablet computers around, I think Google has one on the drawing board as you mentioned, I think its called the "Q"?


On 13/05/2010, at 6:37 AM, John Panarese wrote:

>    Of course one is entitled to their opinions.  Opinions, however, do not necessarily have to be right if they are based on misinformation.  The iPad is not for everyone and there are certainly many who will not ever buy one.  My point is that his opinion is based on flawed assumptions.  He is starting with the premise that the iPad is a net book competitor, and if you heard Steve Jobs' address about it, it is not meant to be a net book replacement.  It's a category of its own, and considering that Google is planning on releasing a Tablet, Apple is pretty much dead on again.  I think you are going to find several tablet types of devices coming out over the next year, and the whole "what is an iPad?" debate will be long dead.
> 
> Take Care
> John Panarese
> 
> On May 12, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> Good on you John <smile>
>> 
>> Well Adam is entitled to his opinion regardless of whether its right or wrong? Time will tell on that point.
>> 
>> As it happens, there was an article about Flash right before this review so - as you've mentioned Flash - I'll send it to the list as it touches on some of the points you've made.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> 
>> On 13/05/2010, at 6:25 AM, John Panarese wrote:
>> 
>>>   Yet another person who doesn't get it.  I'm tired of saying this, but one cannot compare an iPad to a net book.  They are different animals, and this need to compare them is missing the overall point.  Just like with the iPhone, it's going to take a bit of time before most folks finally catch on.  Exactly what potential the iPad has is far from being realized, and it has nothing to do with worshipping Apple.  It's simply understanding where the technology trend towards mobile devices is heading.  As usual, Apple is way ahead of the game, and people like this author are still living in the old computing world.
>>> 
>>>    Also, well, this dude doesn't quite get that Flash is dying a slow death.  It's Internet use is about 62 percent of content, and with several places jumping to HTML5, it's predicted that Flash content will drop to below 40 percent by the end of 2011.  Even Microsoft agreed with Apple's stance on Flash usage, so lamenting the inability of the iPad to handle such content is basically small potatoes.
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> John Panarese
>>> 
>>> On May 12, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> 
>>>> The following review is taken from The Age Green Guide for Thursday, 13 May 2010.
>>>> 
>>>>> Headline, Messiah or a naughty toy?, by Adam Turner.
>>>>> The Apple iPad is a stunning device but suffers greatly for its sins.
>>>>> APPLE'S long-awaited tablet is finally coming to Australia, with pre-orders being taken for delivery in two weeks. But is the iPad a triumph of style over substance?
>>>>> Apple worshippers claim the iPad is heavenly, a tablet carried down from the mountain Moses-style by Apple high priest Steve Jobs. Meanwhile, Apple's critics see the iPad as the golden calf ? wondrous and shiny but ultimately requiring you to sell your soul to the devil in black.
>>>>> Australian customers have been forced to wait for the iPad after US buyers quickly ordered the first batch but a handful of those early iPads made their way to our shores. I was one of the lucky few and arranged for a friend to courier an iPad from California.
>>>>> Yet having owned an iPad for a month, I'm still not convinced that it's computing's saviour. Instead, the iPad is the definitive Apple product ? blessed with a miraculous user experience but blemished by the sin of omission and lacking key features that owners of other devices take for granted.
>>>>> So what exactly is the iPad? Basically, it's an overgrown iPhone, coming in a bit smaller than an A4 sheet of paper. Actually, it's almost exactly the same size as the Green Guide folded in half and not much thicker. Weighing 700 grams, the iPad sits comfortably in your hands and features a gorgeous 25-centimetre display. Don't bother looking for a built-in keyboard as, like the iPhone, the iPad uses a touch-screen interface. You can flick, tap and pinch the screen to navigate your way through the iPad's highly intuitive interface, while an onscreen keyboard pops up when you need to type something.
>>>>> The iPad's screen is exquisite ? making it hard not to fall in love with the device at first sight. Images and colours on the big display are deep and vibrant, plus the iPad's extra grunt under the bonnet makes menus and animations silky smooth.
>>>>> It's clearly an object of desire but what would you do with an iPad? It's a good question, considering they are priced from $629 to $1049 in Australia. The iPad won't replace your mobile phone ? it can't make phone calls. It's also unlikely to replace your desktop computer, or even a powerful notebook ? it runs the iPhone's mobile-phone operating system, so you can only install the applications available from Apple's iTunes Store. The iPad's lack of a physical keyboard would make writing long reports or school assignments a hard slog.
>>>>> Instead, Apple is targeting the iPad as a replacement for the cheap, low-powered netbooks that have become popular recently.
>>>>> At first glance the iPad seems the perfect netbook replacement. It's great for surfing the web, reading email, checking your calendar, viewing your photos, watching videos, updating Twitter and Facebook, listening to music and reading books ? but with a few critical limitations.
>>>>> Like the iPhone, the iPad won't handle Adobe Flash content. Flash is used by many websites to provide video, animated graphics, interactive content and, yes, those annoying ads.
>>>>> The growth in iPhone- and iPad-friendly websites is reducing our reliance on Flash ? as is the rise of new standards such as HTML5 ? but it will be years before Flash fades away. Meanwhile, you'll be disappointed with the iPad if you want to play Flash-based games on Facebook or watch Flash-based video such as the ABC's iView catch-up TV service. Many interesting interactive websites also rely on Flash or equivalent technologies, such as Microsoft Silverlight, forcing you to put down the iPad and go in search of a real computer.
>>>>> The iPad also falls short of a netbook in several other areas. There's no keyboard for typing long documents, no DVD drive for playing movies and music, no webcam for Skype video chats, no memory-card slot for copying photos from your digital camera and no USB ports for connecting other devices. If you're prepared to spend more money, Apple offers solutions for many of these issues. You can buy a wireless keyboard, a USB adaptor and a memory card adaptor. Of course, the iPad isn't as portable as a netbook if you need to carry around a bag full of adaptors and accessories.
>>>>> When it comes to connecting to the internet, the iPad is available in two versions. The Wi-Fi-only version lets the iPad connect to local wireless networks such as your home Wi-Fi network or a public Wi-Fi hotspot. The more expensive Wi-Fi/3G iPad also takes a SIM card so, like a smartphone, it can connect directly to a mobile broadband network. You can't use the SIM card out of your phone, as the iPad uses the micro-SIM format ? offering carriers the chance to lock in iPad customers for exorbitant mobile-data prices.
>>>>> You can't get around these networking limitations by connecting your iPad to a smartphone via Bluetooth or USB, as Apple blocks the ability to "tether" to other devices in order to share internet access. It's the price you pay for living under Apple's benevolent dictatorship.
>>>>> Talking about using the iPad on the go, it's worth noting that the trade-off for the iPad's exquisite display is terrible screen glare. Even on an overcast day you'll be staring at your reflection if you use the iPad outside, plus you'll see every little smudge and fingerprint on the screen. On a bright day the screen is all but unusable in direct sunlight.
>>>>> So what are its redeeming features? Its key strength is usability and its place is probably on the coffee table or beside your bed.
>>>>> Flash limitations aside, the iPad is a great device for casual computing. Forget about viruses, crashes and constant software updates ? the iPad is one of those rare products that "just works". If your only computer is locked away in the study at the cold end of the house, the iPad would be a handy device to have lying around. Want to check your email or read the paper online? Settle an argument using Google or the Internet Movie Database? Play games? Show off your digital photos? All simple tasks when the iPad is at hand.
>>>>> On the flip side, if you already have a house full of computers, with a notebook or netbook always within reach, then the iPad might seem like a redundant extravagance.
>>>>> Think of buying an iPad as buying a Vespa motor scooter when you already own a Ford Territory for driving to work and a Malvern Star for riding to the park. I've had an iPad for a month and, in my tech-savvy household, this wundergadget lies idle most of the time.
>>>>> When we do call upon the iPad, I soon come up against one of its limitations and go in search of a notebook.
>>>>> Now we've cut to the heart of the matter ? what is an iPad good for?
>>>>> If you already own a swag of gadgets, perhaps think of the iPad as an eBook and newspaper reader. More than one Australian publisher is preparing to unveil an iPad application. Apple has also opened an iBookstore section of the iTunes Store, which looks set to do for books what the iPod did for music. Access to the bookstore is restricted to US customers at this stage, although a quick Google search would inform any curious local how to set up a US iTunes account from Australia. You can also read Kindle eBooks on the iPad. Some people might find it easy to justify the expense of an iPad, such as photographers wanting to show off their photos or students who usually carry textbooks.
>>>>> About now it's time to turn our attention to Apple's secret weapon ? the iTunes Store. Access to the iTunes Store, to download music, movies, podcasts, games and productivity apps, gives the iPhone the advantage over competing smartphones. The iPad offers the same flexibility, with almost all the iPhone apps working on the iPad.
>>>>> Your "killer app" for the iPad could be Twittering in front of the television, reading the paper on the way to work, playing games while you wait for the bus or reading books in bed.
>>>>> Perhaps it could be checking the footy score from the backyard, checking the weather forecast from the lounge room, reading your email on the balcony or looking up recipes in the kitchen.
>>>>> If you buy an iPad you'll probably love it, as long as you appreciate its limitations and don't expect it to be a notebook or netbook replacement. Big is certainly beautiful but Apple's eye-catching iPad isn't designed to be your one true love.
>>>>> 
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From jpanarese at mac-access.net  Wed May 12 21:49:14 2010
From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:49:14 -0400
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
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Hi Dane,
   Yes.  HP and Microsoft were also planning them, but were taking the wrong approach.  They were going to use Windows 7 on them, but the realization that Win 7 is not feasible to use on a tablet caused this decision to be changed.  There is no word if Windows Phone Series 7 will ever be used on any tablet devices, however.  Since it has not been released and, most likely, the release of OS 4 for the iPhone will cause MS to scramble further, we might not see it until 2011.  Then, with the iPad and the Android being used on tablets by then, it's doubtful if any major manufacturer will choose Series 7 as an OS for their tablet.

Take Care

On May 12, 2010, at 4:41 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> I agree with you that we're going to see a few different tablet computers around, I think Google has one on the drawing board as you mentioned, I think its called the "Q"?
> 
> 
> On 13/05/2010, at 6:37 AM, John Panarese wrote:
> 
>>   Of course one is entitled to their opinions.  Opinions, however, do not necessarily have to be right if they are based on misinformation.  The iPad is not for everyone and there are certainly many who will not ever buy one.  My point is that his opinion is based on flawed assumptions.  He is starting with the premise that the iPad is a net book competitor, and if you heard Steve Jobs' address about it, it is not meant to be a net book replacement.  It's a category of its own, and considering that Google is planning on releasing a Tablet, Apple is pretty much dead on again.  I think you are going to find several tablet types of devices coming out over the next year, and the whole "what is an iPad?" debate will be long dead.
>> 
>> Take Care
>> John Panarese
>> 
>> On May 12, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>>> Good on you John <smile>
>>> 
>>> Well Adam is entitled to his opinion regardless of whether its right or wrong? Time will tell on that point.
>>> 
>>> As it happens, there was an article about Flash right before this review so - as you've mentioned Flash - I'll send it to the list as it touches on some of the points you've made.
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 13/05/2010, at 6:25 AM, John Panarese wrote:
>>> 
>>>>  Yet another person who doesn't get it.  I'm tired of saying this, but one cannot compare an iPad to a net book.  They are different animals, and this need to compare them is missing the overall point.  Just like with the iPhone, it's going to take a bit of time before most folks finally catch on.  Exactly what potential the iPad has is far from being realized, and it has nothing to do with worshipping Apple.  It's simply understanding where the technology trend towards mobile devices is heading.  As usual, Apple is way ahead of the game, and people like this author are still living in the old computing world.
>>>> 
>>>>   Also, well, this dude doesn't quite get that Flash is dying a slow death.  It's Internet use is about 62 percent of content, and with several places jumping to HTML5, it's predicted that Flash content will drop to below 40 percent by the end of 2011.  Even Microsoft agreed with Apple's stance on Flash usage, so lamenting the inability of the iPad to handle such content is basically small potatoes.
>>>> 
>>>> Take Care
>>>> John Panarese
>>>> 
>>>> On May 12, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> 
>>>>> The following review is taken from The Age Green Guide for Thursday, 13 May 2010.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Headline, Messiah or a naughty toy?, by Adam Turner.
>>>>>> The Apple iPad is a stunning device but suffers greatly for its sins.
>>>>>> APPLE'S long-awaited tablet is finally coming to Australia, with pre-orders being taken for delivery in two weeks. But is the iPad a triumph of style over substance?
>>>>>> Apple worshippers claim the iPad is heavenly, a tablet carried down from the mountain Moses-style by Apple high priest Steve Jobs. Meanwhile, Apple's critics see the iPad as the golden calf ? wondrous and shiny but ultimately requiring you to sell your soul to the devil in black.
>>>>>> Australian customers have been forced to wait for the iPad after US buyers quickly ordered the first batch but a handful of those early iPads made their way to our shores. I was one of the lucky few and arranged for a friend to courier an iPad from California.
>>>>>> Yet having owned an iPad for a month, I'm still not convinced that it's computing's saviour. Instead, the iPad is the definitive Apple product ? blessed with a miraculous user experience but blemished by the sin of omission and lacking key features that owners of other devices take for granted.
>>>>>> So what exactly is the iPad? Basically, it's an overgrown iPhone, coming in a bit smaller than an A4 sheet of paper. Actually, it's almost exactly the same size as the Green Guide folded in half and not much thicker. Weighing 700 grams, the iPad sits comfortably in your hands and features a gorgeous 25-centimetre display. Don't bother looking for a built-in keyboard as, like the iPhone, the iPad uses a touch-screen interface. You can flick, tap and pinch the screen to navigate your way through the iPad's highly intuitive interface, while an onscreen keyboard pops up when you need to type something.
>>>>>> The iPad's screen is exquisite ? making it hard not to fall in love with the device at first sight. Images and colours on the big display are deep and vibrant, plus the iPad's extra grunt under the bonnet makes menus and animations silky smooth.
>>>>>> It's clearly an object of desire but what would you do with an iPad? It's a good question, considering they are priced from $629 to $1049 in Australia. The iPad won't replace your mobile phone ? it can't make phone calls. It's also unlikely to replace your desktop computer, or even a powerful notebook ? it runs the iPhone's mobile-phone operating system, so you can only install the applications available from Apple's iTunes Store. The iPad's lack of a physical keyboard would make writing long reports or school assignments a hard slog.
>>>>>> Instead, Apple is targeting the iPad as a replacement for the cheap, low-powered netbooks that have become popular recently.
>>>>>> At first glance the iPad seems the perfect netbook replacement. It's great for surfing the web, reading email, checking your calendar, viewing your photos, watching videos, updating Twitter and Facebook, listening to music and reading books ? but with a few critical limitations.
>>>>>> Like the iPhone, the iPad won't handle Adobe Flash content. Flash is used by many websites to provide video, animated graphics, interactive content and, yes, those annoying ads.
>>>>>> The growth in iPhone- and iPad-friendly websites is reducing our reliance on Flash ? as is the rise of new standards such as HTML5 ? but it will be years before Flash fades away. Meanwhile, you'll be disappointed with the iPad if you want to play Flash-based games on Facebook or watch Flash-based video such as the ABC's iView catch-up TV service. Many interesting interactive websites also rely on Flash or equivalent technologies, such as Microsoft Silverlight, forcing you to put down the iPad and go in search of a real computer.
>>>>>> The iPad also falls short of a netbook in several other areas. There's no keyboard for typing long documents, no DVD drive for playing movies and music, no webcam for Skype video chats, no memory-card slot for copying photos from your digital camera and no USB ports for connecting other devices. If you're prepared to spend more money, Apple offers solutions for many of these issues. You can buy a wireless keyboard, a USB adaptor and a memory card adaptor. Of course, the iPad isn't as portable as a netbook if you need to carry around a bag full of adaptors and accessories.
>>>>>> When it comes to connecting to the internet, the iPad is available in two versions. The Wi-Fi-only version lets the iPad connect to local wireless networks such as your home Wi-Fi network or a public Wi-Fi hotspot. The more expensive Wi-Fi/3G iPad also takes a SIM card so, like a smartphone, it can connect directly to a mobile broadband network. You can't use the SIM card out of your phone, as the iPad uses the micro-SIM format ? offering carriers the chance to lock in iPad customers for exorbitant mobile-data prices.
>>>>>> You can't get around these networking limitations by connecting your iPad to a smartphone via Bluetooth or USB, as Apple blocks the ability to "tether" to other devices in order to share internet access. It's the price you pay for living under Apple's benevolent dictatorship.
>>>>>> Talking about using the iPad on the go, it's worth noting that the trade-off for the iPad's exquisite display is terrible screen glare. Even on an overcast day you'll be staring at your reflection if you use the iPad outside, plus you'll see every little smudge and fingerprint on the screen. On a bright day the screen is all but unusable in direct sunlight.
>>>>>> So what are its redeeming features? Its key strength is usability and its place is probably on the coffee table or beside your bed.
>>>>>> Flash limitations aside, the iPad is a great device for casual computing. Forget about viruses, crashes and constant software updates ? the iPad is one of those rare products that "just works". If your only computer is locked away in the study at the cold end of the house, the iPad would be a handy device to have lying around. Want to check your email or read the paper online? Settle an argument using Google or the Internet Movie Database? Play games? Show off your digital photos? All simple tasks when the iPad is at hand.
>>>>>> On the flip side, if you already have a house full of computers, with a notebook or netbook always within reach, then the iPad might seem like a redundant extravagance.
>>>>>> Think of buying an iPad as buying a Vespa motor scooter when you already own a Ford Territory for driving to work and a Malvern Star for riding to the park. I've had an iPad for a month and, in my tech-savvy household, this wundergadget lies idle most of the time.
>>>>>> When we do call upon the iPad, I soon come up against one of its limitations and go in search of a notebook.
>>>>>> Now we've cut to the heart of the matter ? what is an iPad good for?
>>>>>> If you already own a swag of gadgets, perhaps think of the iPad as an eBook and newspaper reader. More than one Australian publisher is preparing to unveil an iPad application. Apple has also opened an iBookstore section of the iTunes Store, which looks set to do for books what the iPod did for music. Access to the bookstore is restricted to US customers at this stage, although a quick Google search would inform any curious local how to set up a US iTunes account from Australia. You can also read Kindle eBooks on the iPad. Some people might find it easy to justify the expense of an iPad, such as photographers wanting to show off their photos or students who usually carry textbooks.
>>>>>> About now it's time to turn our attention to Apple's secret weapon ? the iTunes Store. Access to the iTunes Store, to download music, movies, podcasts, games and productivity apps, gives the iPhone the advantage over competing smartphones. The iPad offers the same flexibility, with almost all the iPhone apps working on the iPad.
>>>>>> Your "killer app" for the iPad could be Twittering in front of the television, reading the paper on the way to work, playing games while you wait for the bus or reading books in bed.
>>>>>> Perhaps it could be checking the footy score from the backyard, checking the weather forecast from the lounge room, reading your email on the balcony or looking up recipes in the kitchen.
>>>>>> If you buy an iPad you'll probably love it, as long as you appreciate its limitations and don't expect it to be a notebook or netbook replacement. Big is certainly beautiful but Apple's eye-catching iPad isn't designed to be your one true love.
>>>>>> 
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From tsiegel at softcon.us  Wed May 12 22:23:51 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:23:51 -0500
Subject: Further comments and observations on Flash
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Even on a regular mac, flash is a cpu hog.  Until adobe does something  
about that, I personally wouldn't want to use it on *any* portable  
device.  Steve Jobs is right when he says it's a battery hog.  If I  
have hulu on, and using flash to watch shows, my battery lasts about 3  
hours.  W/o flash running, I get close to 5 hours out of it.
Adobe has never done anything to optimize the execution of flash on  
the mac, and until they do, it isn't going to get any better.
I fully support apple and their stance to ignore flash until adobe  
does something to fix it, but being the large company it is, my guess  
is that adobe will not bother to fix the fplayer, and instead will  
just use the courts to force apple to include what is clearly inferior  
technology with their hitech gadgets.
<sigh>
The silliness of it all.
You'd think companies would want their stuff to work better, it's my  
experience, that when inovation isn't possible, companies tend to  
litigate instead, and that's a *very* sad state of affairs.


From jpanarese at mac-access.net  Wed May 12 22:35:39 2010
From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 17:35:39 -0400
Subject: Further comments and observations on Flash
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     I am certainly not a lawyer, but I find it difficult to believe that a lawsuit against Apple over Flash could hold serious water.  Apple is a single manufacturer making a decision that is for their own devices.  Whether other companies follow their example is not the fault or blame of Apple.  I think Adobe would do better fixing the problems, instead of launching any court battles. 

Take Care
John Panarese

On May 12, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:

> Even on a regular mac, flash is a cpu hog.  Until adobe does something about that, I personally wouldn't want to use it on *any* portable device.  Steve Jobs is right when he says it's a battery hog.  If I have hulu on, and using flash to watch shows, my battery lasts about 3 hours.  W/o flash running, I get close to 5 hours out of it.
> Adobe has never done anything to optimize the execution of flash on the mac, and until they do, it isn't going to get any better.
> I fully support apple and their stance to ignore flash until adobe does something to fix it, but being the large company it is, my guess is that adobe will not bother to fix the fplayer, and instead will just use the courts to force apple to include what is clearly inferior technology with their hitech gadgets.
> <sigh>
> The silliness of it all.
> You'd think companies would want their stuff to work better, it's my experience, that when inovation isn't possible, companies tend to litigate instead, and that's a *very* sad state of affairs.
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From tsiegel at softcon.us  Wed May 12 22:35:15 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 16:35:15 -0500
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
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All good points, but the author did point out that the ipad has it's  
good points.  I thought he did a good job trying to be objective.  Not  
sure he pulled it off, but I'll certainly give him an A for effort,  
and I do agree with most of what he says in the review.
But that said, I too agree that perhaps he missed the main point of  
the ipad.   It's simply (in my view) the portable note taker blind/vi  
folks have been hunting for for years and years.  And, it's a damned  
shame that it took a mainstream company to do the job when all those  
adaptive technology companies wasted all that time producing clearly  
inferior devices that were a huge waste of resources, and priced way  
out of the average visually impaired user's range.  It's very nice to  
see a mainstream company producing something that works for us, that  
we can point to, and say now why couldn't you do that 10 years ago.
I can't tell you how many conversations I had with adaptive companies  
at acb, and nfb shows asking them why they restricted this device, or  
why it didn't have that capabiility, and every time, the answer boiled  
down to the simple answer that the folks who designed the device felt  
those features wouldn't be used by vi folks, so it wan't needed.
Well, pardon me, but if you want to make something folks want to buy,  
then you'd better make it something folks *want* to use.
And, restricting folks to just a few applications that do one or two  
things isn't it.
I honestly don't understand why it's so hard for these adaptive tech  
companies to grasp the concept that I don't want a product that does 3  
things only medium well, and 6 things terribly, and doesn't allow me  
to add my own apps to the silly thing.
It can't be that hard.
And, now apple has proven it isn't, so I say good for them.
I personally will be buying one of thse ipad devices just as soon as  
funds permit, and although that isn't likely to be for several years,  
I still will purchase one, because I want to thank apple for the work  
they've done and let every one of those same adaptive companies know  
why I bought the ipad instead of their device.


From moriond at mac.com  Wed May 12 22:58:40 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 11:58:40 -1000
Subject: Further comments and observations on Flash
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Hi,

Travis Siegel wrote:

> Even on a regular mac, flash is a cpu hog.

Yes, I've found performance on my Mac to be better since installing  
ClickToFlash, so that Flash is only enabled if I choose to enable it.   
In the meantime, all the flash-based ads, etc. that live on web sites  
are blocked. I don't think there are any downsides to this plug-in,  
since it lets you run flash on any page that you want,

The short summary, for users who are not familiar with this software,  
is that you can download it from:
http://rentzsch.github.com/clicktoflash/
When you have installed ClickToFlash and then visit web pages with  
Flash content, that content is disabled unless the page is on your  
"White List" or you enable flash on the page.  The convenient shortcut  
for adding a web page URL you've visited to your "White List", so that  
Flash is enabled by default, is just to use "Option-Click" (hold down  
the Option key, and click with the keypad or an attached mouse).  This  
is something you might do if you visit YouTube, for example.  (They're  
developing an HTML5 video player alternative to flash, but it's still  
in beta). To enable flash content on your current page without adding  
the site to your white list, press Command-Control-F.
There are more details about how the plug-in works in the May 2009  
TidBITS article, "ClickToFlash Spiffs the Safari Experience" by Matt  
Neuburg, at:
<http://db.tidbits.com/article/10303>
You can also uninstall the plug-in if you want to by going to the  
"ClickToFlash" menu on the Safari menu bar and "Settings" in the sub- 
menu.  The trick is that this menu only shows up if you are at a web  
page with flash content.
HTH.
Cheers,
Esther

From mattchao at verizon.net  Wed May 12 23:09:41 2010
From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 18:09:41 -0400
Subject: iPad On Its Way
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Hi.  Am interested.--Matt.

At 04:01 PM 5/12/2010, you wrote:
>Hello all
>
>A few weeks ago, my iPhone 3GS died an unfortunate death. Since that 
>time we have been considering buying another one. But, having just 
>come back from an Apple reseller exhibition a couple of hours ago, 
>we've decided that Gordon will gi d md his iPhone, and I have just 
>ordered for him an iPad 64GB with Wifi and also 3G.
>
>The price of the iPad with 3G is somewhat more than a new iPhone; 
>but it has a lot more to offer we think. So I thought; why not! If 
>anybody is interested in Gordon's findings, please let us know. He 
>plans to do a review and podcast which will be placed on the 
>Mac-Access.net website and made available on the iTunes store.
>
>The iPad is not yet available in the UK but ships by 7 June and it 
>is pre-ordered so should be with us by that date according to Apple.
>
>Lynne
>
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From eka at ekanet.net  Thu May 13 01:19:22 2010
From: eka at ekanet.net (Emrah)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 02:19:22 +0200
Subject: Back button in Finder
Message-ID: <20100513001922.GA24953@naughty.kavun>

Hi guys,

How are you doing?
I do not write often becauze I do not actually own a Mac myself, but I 
enjoy playing with my girlfriend's one now and then...
I am currently writing to you from a Mac, connected in SSH to my Linux 
server. The Email client is console based...
I have two main questions:
1. Is there a shortcut to perform the Back action, instead of going 
through the tool bar?
2. In Finder, when I interact with the Sidebar to go up one folder, I 
can't go beyond Macintosh HD because a Mobile Me warning keeps popping 
up... Any idea on how to go beyond the Mobile Me HD?

I hope my explainations were clear enough... I am not on a keyboard 
layout that I am really familiar with, so it's hard to focus on the 
content of my text.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Cheers!
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From nigel.rhodes at gmail.com  Thu May 13 02:27:58 2010
From: nigel.rhodes at gmail.com (Nigel Rhodes)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 21:27:58 -0400
Subject: iPad On Its Way
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I'm also interested.

Regards,
Nigel Rhodes
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On May 12, 2010, at 6:09 PM, Matthew Chao wrote:

> Hi.  Am interested.--Matt.
>
> At 04:01 PM 5/12/2010, you wrote:
>> Hello all
>>
>> A few weeks ago, my iPhone 3GS died an unfortunate death. Since  
>> that time we have been considering buying another one. But, having  
>> just come back from an Apple reseller exhibition a couple of hours  
>> ago, we've decided that Gordon will gi d md his iPhone, and I have  
>> just ordered for him an iPad 64GB with Wifi and also 3G.
>>
>> The price of the iPad with 3G is somewhat more than a new iPhone;  
>> but it has a lot more to offer we think. So I thought; why not! If  
>> anybody is interested in Gordon's findings, please let us know. He  
>> plans to do a review and podcast which will be placed on the Mac- 
>> Access.net website and made available on the iTunes store.
>>
>> The iPad is not yet available in the UK but ships by 7 June and it  
>> is pre-ordered so should be with us by that date according to Apple.
>>
>> Lynne
>>
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From n0oxy at charter.net  Thu May 13 04:16:56 2010
From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 22:16:56 -0500
Subject: MAC VOICES
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Oh, no offense taken at all, life is far too short to be offended by things like that.
On May 12, 2010, at 4:01 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Mike
> 
> On 12 May 2010, at 02:32, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
> ? Hi, yes, I'm american, actually the acapela British voices are quite good, I think Graham is my favorite.
> 
> I hope I didn't come across in any way patronising or offensive there; I certainly didn't intend too. I was just making the point that sometimes, localised voices are preferably.
> 
> Actually I believe there is a British Eloquance voice for Windows and for the mobile phones as well actually. I'm sure Gordon used to use UK Eloquance on our Nokia N82.
> 
> But when he used Windows he used the Nuance Danial voice I think It is loads better than Eloquance, but not free.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From mumwith2kids at gmail.com  Thu May 13 04:50:08 2010
From: mumwith2kids at gmail.com (Stephanie)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:50:08 +1000
Subject: follow up to ipod and itunes help
Message-ID: <4beb76f4.29f88e0a.2d36.2f2f@mx.google.com>

Hi all.
Thanks for all the help. My ipod appears to be working now, but still 
have a few questions.
Ok. I'm subscribed to blindcooltech but although the podcasts are 
showing and I did a sync with my ipod, they didn't copy on to the 
ipod. I tried it about 3 times with no luck.
How do I sync my podcasts?
I'm also having trouble finding the podcasts I want to subscribe too. 
I know the name of them, but can't find anywhere to search for them. 
It used to be a snap in windows, but well, I'm still getting used to 
this macbook.
So how to I search my podcasts?
Thanks,
Steph


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 13 08:10:07 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 08:10:07 +0100
Subject: iPad On Its Way
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Hello Dane

On 12 May 2010, at 21:05, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Sounds good! no doubt you're aware that the Ipad doesn't take the standard SIM card?

Yes, it uses a micro SIM card, which is different. I'm not sure whether it comes with one because the Apple site says you can activate a data service at any time.

? I'm looking at an Ipad for myself later this year but I won't be bothering with the 3G model as I'll have to take out another contract or data plan, the Ipad is released here next Friday, think the standard Wi-Fi version starts at around $650.00 australian with the top 3G model at $1099.00 Australian dollars.

Not here. You don't have to commit to contract any more. Legislation here regarding mobile services has changed for the better. Now the customer is free to swap and change as they like.

? Actually there's a very good review of the Ipad in this mornings local press in Australia, its not available online so I'll quote it to the list as I'm sure others will find it an interesting read, the review naturally doesn't cover any accessibility features but it does in my view give an accurate picture of the device.

I tend to base my own opinions on actual use, not press reviews.

Lynne



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 13 08:42:51 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 08:42:51 +0100
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
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Hi John & Dane

Just to add my two-penneth here if I may.  Where an "opinion" is concerned, there is no right or wrong.  Just as the opinion I have formed regarding Amadeus Pro is not right or wrong.

What is right or wrong are the facts or the statement of what we perceive to be facts, upon which we base our opinions.

By all means formulate an opinion which differs from mine, or I will formulate one which differs from Dane's.  But if I base my opinion on factual inaccuracies, then yes, the opinion may be tainted.

With regards the iPad and NetBooks.  Sadly, one will always encounter the negative.  Dane and John are quite correct that this "reviewer" is quite entitled to his opinion.  And quite honestly, petty arguments based upon it are counterproductive and pointless.

Just as, for instance, arguments based on one's opinions of Amadeus Pro are pointless.  Now, if one were to correct factual inaccurate assertions and then, by reasoned discussion, attempt to sway the opinion of another, that's totally different.  That is why I just totally ignore posts like "horses for courses but you bla bla bla bla bla", when there is absolutely nothing in the message to correct misinformation, merely personal sniping and, for want of a better word, bitching.

There are those on this list who do an excellent job of factual correction.  Speaking personally, I'm more than happy to be corrected if I am doing something wrongly and, thereby, formulate an opinion based on misinformation.  But when the proponent of the opposite view merely starts becoming abusive without bothering to verify facts, I simply switch off, hit the delete key.

I have done some reading on the iPad recently and, as a result, have come to realise that it's actually a device which offers huge potential.  What changed my views so significantly though was the Apple announcement some time ago of the Wifi +3G model.  That, to me at least, made it a complete solution well suited to my needs.

In fact, it fits perfectly with my plans.  I also have many apps already which will drive the iPad in positively wonderful ways for me.  I have navigation apps, audio apps and other practically useful apps.

I confess I'm not one for simply rushing out and trying everything under the sun to see what works.  Maybe, when my personal situation improves, that might change.  But currently I just want something that will do the job I want it to do, end of story.

Actually, I think we're probably either going to use the iPod Touch exclusively in-car, or get rid of it.  Frankly, that's one device I've been somewhat disappointed with and regret our decision to buy.

Anyway I am rambling, but just wanted to add my little bit.

Gordon

On 12 May 2010, at 21:37, John Panarese wrote:

   Of course one is entitled to their opinions.  Opinions, however, do not necessarily have to be right if they are based on misinformation.  The iPad is not for everyone and there are certainly many who will not ever buy one.  My point is that his opinion is based on flawed assumptions.  He is starting with the premise that the iPad is a net book competitor, and if you heard Steve Jobs' address about it, it is not meant to be a net book replacement.  It's a category of its own, and considering that Google is planning on releasing a Tablet, Apple is pretty much dead on again.  I think you are going to find several tablet types of devices coming out over the next year, and the whole "what is an iPad?" debate will be long dead.

Take Care
John Panarese

On May 12, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Good on you John <smile>
> 
> Well Adam is entitled to his opinion regardless of whether its right or wrong? Time will tell on that point.
> 
> As it happens, there was an article about Flash right before this review so - as you've mentioned Flash - I'll send it to the list as it touches on some of the points you've made.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> 
> On 13/05/2010, at 6:25 AM, John Panarese wrote:
> 
>>   Yet another person who doesn't get it.  I'm tired of saying this, but one cannot compare an iPad to a net book.  They are different animals, and this need to compare them is missing the overall point.  Just like with the iPhone, it's going to take a bit of time before most folks finally catch on.  Exactly what potential the iPad has is far from being realized, and it has nothing to do with worshipping Apple.  It's simply understanding where the technology trend towards mobile devices is heading.  As usual, Apple is way ahead of the game, and people like this author are still living in the old computing world.
>> 
>>    Also, well, this dude doesn't quite get that Flash is dying a slow death.  It's Internet use is about 62 percent of content, and with several places jumping to HTML5, it's predicted that Flash content will drop to below 40 percent by the end of 2011.  Even Microsoft agreed with Apple's stance on Flash usage, so lamenting the inability of the iPad to handle such content is basically small potatoes.
>> 
>> Take Care
>> John Panarese
>> 
>> On May 12, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> 
>>> The following review is taken from The Age Green Guide for Thursday, 13 May 2010.
>>> 
>>>> Headline, Messiah or a naughty toy?, by Adam Turner.
>>>> The Apple iPad is a stunning device but suffers greatly for its sins.
>>>> APPLE'S long-awaited tablet is finally coming to Australia, with pre-orders being taken for delivery in two weeks. But is the iPad a triumph of style over substance?
>>>> Apple worshippers claim the iPad is heavenly, a tablet carried down from the mountain Moses-style by Apple high priest Steve Jobs. Meanwhile, Apple's critics see the iPad as the golden calf ? wondrous and shiny but ultimately requiring you to sell your soul to the devil in black.
>>>> Australian customers have been forced to wait for the iPad after US buyers quickly ordered the first batch but a handful of those early iPads made their way to our shores. I was one of the lucky few and arranged for a friend to courier an iPad from California.
>>>> Yet having owned an iPad for a month, I'm still not convinced that it's computing's saviour. Instead, the iPad is the definitive Apple product ? blessed with a miraculous user experience but blemished by the sin of omission and lacking key features that owners of other devices take for granted.
>>>> So what exactly is the iPad? Basically, it's an overgrown iPhone, coming in a bit smaller than an A4 sheet of paper. Actually, it's almost exactly the same size as the Green Guide folded in half and not much thicker. Weighing 700 grams, the iPad sits comfortably in your hands and features a gorgeous 25-centimetre display. Don't bother looking for a built-in keyboard as, like the iPhone, the iPad uses a touch-screen interface. You can flick, tap and pinch the screen to navigate your way through the iPad's highly intuitive interface, while an onscreen keyboard pops up when you need to type something.
>>>> The iPad's screen is exquisite ? making it hard not to fall in love with the device at first sight. Images and colours on the big display are deep and vibrant, plus the iPad's extra grunt under the bonnet makes menus and animations silky smooth.
>>>> It's clearly an object of desire but what would you do with an iPad? It's a good question, considering they are priced from $629 to $1049 in Australia. The iPad won't replace your mobile phone ? it can't make phone calls. It's also unlikely to replace your desktop computer, or even a powerful notebook ? it runs the iPhone's mobile-phone operating system, so you can only install the applications available from Apple's iTunes Store. The iPad's lack of a physical keyboard would make writing long reports or school assignments a hard slog.
>>>> Instead, Apple is targeting the iPad as a replacement for the cheap, low-powered netbooks that have become popular recently.
>>>> At first glance the iPad seems the perfect netbook replacement. It's great for surfing the web, reading email, checking your calendar, viewing your photos, watching videos, updating Twitter and Facebook, listening to music and reading books ? but with a few critical limitations.
>>>> Like the iPhone, the iPad won't handle Adobe Flash content. Flash is used by many websites to provide video, animated graphics, interactive content and, yes, those annoying ads.
>>>> The growth in iPhone- and iPad-friendly websites is reducing our reliance on Flash ? as is the rise of new standards such as HTML5 ? but it will be years before Flash fades away. Meanwhile, you'll be disappointed with the iPad if you want to play Flash-based games on Facebook or watch Flash-based video such as the ABC's iView catch-up TV service. Many interesting interactive websites also rely on Flash or equivalent technologies, such as Microsoft Silverlight, forcing you to put down the iPad and go in search of a real computer.
>>>> The iPad also falls short of a netbook in several other areas. There's no keyboard for typing long documents, no DVD drive for playing movies and music, no webcam for Skype video chats, no memory-card slot for copying photos from your digital camera and no USB ports for connecting other devices. If you're prepared to spend more money, Apple offers solutions for many of these issues. You can buy a wireless keyboard, a USB adaptor and a memory card adaptor. Of course, the iPad isn't as portable as a netbook if you need to carry around a bag full of adaptors and accessories.
>>>> When it comes to connecting to the internet, the iPad is available in two versions. The Wi-Fi-only version lets the iPad connect to local wireless networks such as your home Wi-Fi network or a public Wi-Fi hotspot. The more expensive Wi-Fi/3G iPad also takes a SIM card so, like a smartphone, it can connect directly to a mobile broadband network. You can't use the SIM card out of your phone, as the iPad uses the micro-SIM format ? offering carriers the chance to lock in iPad customers for exorbitant mobile-data prices.
>>>> You can't get around these networking limitations by connecting your iPad to a smartphone via Bluetooth or USB, as Apple blocks the ability to "tether" to other devices in order to share internet access. It's the price you pay for living under Apple's benevolent dictatorship.
>>>> Talking about using the iPad on the go, it's worth noting that the trade-off for the iPad's exquisite display is terrible screen glare. Even on an overcast day you'll be staring at your reflection if you use the iPad outside, plus you'll see every little smudge and fingerprint on the screen. On a bright day the screen is all but unusable in direct sunlight.
>>>> So what are its redeeming features? Its key strength is usability and its place is probably on the coffee table or beside your bed.
>>>> Flash limitations aside, the iPad is a great device for casual computing. Forget about viruses, crashes and constant software updates ? the iPad is one of those rare products that "just works". If your only computer is locked away in the study at the cold end of the house, the iPad would be a handy device to have lying around. Want to check your email or read the paper online? Settle an argument using Google or the Internet Movie Database? Play games? Show off your digital photos? All simple tasks when the iPad is at hand.
>>>> On the flip side, if you already have a house full of computers, with a notebook or netbook always within reach, then the iPad might seem like a redundant extravagance.
>>>> Think of buying an iPad as buying a Vespa motor scooter when you already own a Ford Territory for driving to work and a Malvern Star for riding to the park. I've had an iPad for a month and, in my tech-savvy household, this wundergadget lies idle most of the time.
>>>> When we do call upon the iPad, I soon come up against one of its limitations and go in search of a notebook.
>>>> Now we've cut to the heart of the matter ? what is an iPad good for?
>>>> If you already own a swag of gadgets, perhaps think of the iPad as an eBook and newspaper reader. More than one Australian publisher is preparing to unveil an iPad application. Apple has also opened an iBookstore section of the iTunes Store, which looks set to do for books what the iPod did for music. Access to the bookstore is restricted to US customers at this stage, although a quick Google search would inform any curious local how to set up a US iTunes account from Australia. You can also read Kindle eBooks on the iPad. Some people might find it easy to justify the expense of an iPad, such as photographers wanting to show off their photos or students who usually carry textbooks.
>>>> About now it's time to turn our attention to Apple's secret weapon ? the iTunes Store. Access to the iTunes Store, to download music, movies, podcasts, games and productivity apps, gives the iPhone the advantage over competing smartphones. The iPad offers the same flexibility, with almost all the iPhone apps working on the iPad.
>>>> Your "killer app" for the iPad could be Twittering in front of the television, reading the paper on the way to work, playing games while you wait for the bus or reading books in bed.
>>>> Perhaps it could be checking the footy score from the backyard, checking the weather forecast from the lounge room, reading your email on the balcony or looking up recipes in the kitchen.
>>>> If you buy an iPad you'll probably love it, as long as you appreciate its limitations and don't expect it to be a notebook or netbook replacement. Big is certainly beautiful but Apple's eye-catching iPad isn't designed to be your one true love.
>>>> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 13 09:08:18 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 09:08:18 +0100
Subject: Adobe's Official Position
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Hello all

Before I go any further, I request that this post is not, I repeat, not forwarded to any other E-Mail lists without my prior consent off list.  This message and its contents are based on my own research and I wish this post to remain exclusively in the domain of Mac-Access.Net unless permission to propagate it is obtained first.

Whether or not you choose to believe its content to be factual is entirely up to you, I'm not going to waste time trying to persuade anybody.  This message reflects what I have been told directly by Adobe Incorporated, and does not reflect the views of any third party.  This pertains to Adobe Acrobat Professional and Adobe PDF Reader.  But it might explain a few points regarding other Adobe applications as well and their properties with a view to accessibility.

Yesterday, I had a conversation with Adobe's PDF Architectural Design Standards engineer in person, regarding Adobe Acrobat for Mac.

His information to me is that the reason that Adobe Acrobat and Adobe Reader for Mac are not accessible is that Apple is steadfastly refusing to provide Adobe with the necessary API's so that they can expose PDF documents to VoiceOver.

Adobe claims that Apple's own reader, (Previews) and the freeware PDF application (Skim) are using API's developed internally by Apple and others and that Apple will not share the required data with Adobe.

Therefore, Leonard claims, Adobe Inc. are in an impossible situation.

As to exactly how factual that is, I don't know.  But what I would say is that it doesn't really surprise me, based on Apple's policy of doing everything in-house, and their seeming unwillingness to work with Adobe any longer.

But, when Adobe Acrobat 10 is released later this year for Mac, Linux and Windows, I regret to have to inform you that there will be no improvements whatever in terms of accessibility on the OSX platform.  That applies to both the reader, and the professional document production tool.

Thus, it would appear, the ability to produce accessible (tagged) PDF documents and expose those tags to VoiceOver is still a very very long way off, if indeed, it is ever destined to become a reality.

Again, let me reaffirm, this is not based on hearsay.  This conclusion is based on an actual conversation which took place between myself and the afore-mentioned Architectural Standards Design engineer.

Gordon


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May 13 09:09:39 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 18:09:39 +1000
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
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And that's your opinion? <smile>


On 13/05/2010, at 5:42 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi John & Dane
> 
> Just to add my two-penneth here if I may.  Where an "opinion" is concerned, there is no right or wrong.  Just as the opinion I have formed regarding Amadeus Pro is not right or wrong.
> 
> What is right or wrong are the facts or the statement of what we perceive to be facts, upon which we base our opinions.
> 
> By all means formulate an opinion which differs from mine, or I will formulate one which differs from Dane's.  But if I base my opinion on factual inaccuracies, then yes, the opinion may be tainted.
> 
> With regards the iPad and NetBooks.  Sadly, one will always encounter the negative.  Dane and John are quite correct that this "reviewer" is quite entitled to his opinion.  And quite honestly, petty arguments based upon it are counterproductive and pointless.
> 
> Just as, for instance, arguments based on one's opinions of Amadeus Pro are pointless.  Now, if one were to correct factual inaccurate assertions and then, by reasoned discussion, attempt to sway the opinion of another, that's totally different.  That is why I just totally ignore posts like "horses for courses but you bla bla bla bla bla", when there is absolutely nothing in the message to correct misinformation, merely personal sniping and, for want of a better word, bitching.
> 
> There are those on this list who do an excellent job of factual correction.  Speaking personally, I'm more than happy to be corrected if I am doing something wrongly and, thereby, formulate an opinion based on misinformation.  But when the proponent of the opposite view merely starts becoming abusive without bothering to verify facts, I simply switch off, hit the delete key.
> 
> I have done some reading on the iPad recently and, as a result, have come to realise that it's actually a device which offers huge potential.  What changed my views so significantly though was the Apple announcement some time ago of the Wifi +3G model.  That, to me at least, made it a complete solution well suited to my needs.
> 
> In fact, it fits perfectly with my plans.  I also have many apps already which will drive the iPad in positively wonderful ways for me.  I have navigation apps, audio apps and other practically useful apps.
> 
> I confess I'm not one for simply rushing out and trying everything under the sun to see what works.  Maybe, when my personal situation improves, that might change.  But currently I just want something that will do the job I want it to do, end of story.
> 
> Actually, I think we're probably either going to use the iPod Touch exclusively in-car, or get rid of it.  Frankly, that's one device I've been somewhat disappointed with and regret our decision to buy.
> 
> Anyway I am rambling, but just wanted to add my little bit.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 12 May 2010, at 21:37, John Panarese wrote:
> 
>   Of course one is entitled to their opinions.  Opinions, however, do not necessarily have to be right if they are based on misinformation.  The iPad is not for everyone and there are certainly many who will not ever buy one.  My point is that his opinion is based on flawed assumptions.  He is starting with the premise that the iPad is a net book competitor, and if you heard Steve Jobs' address about it, it is not meant to be a net book replacement.  It's a category of its own, and considering that Google is planning on releasing a Tablet, Apple is pretty much dead on again.  I think you are going to find several tablet types of devices coming out over the next year, and the whole "what is an iPad?" debate will be long dead.
> 
> Take Care
> John Panarese
> 
> On May 12, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> Good on you John <smile>
>> 
>> Well Adam is entitled to his opinion regardless of whether its right or wrong? Time will tell on that point.
>> 
>> As it happens, there was an article about Flash right before this review so - as you've mentioned Flash - I'll send it to the list as it touches on some of the points you've made.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> 
>> On 13/05/2010, at 6:25 AM, John Panarese wrote:
>> 
>>>  Yet another person who doesn't get it.  I'm tired of saying this, but one cannot compare an iPad to a net book.  They are different animals, and this need to compare them is missing the overall point.  Just like with the iPhone, it's going to take a bit of time before most folks finally catch on.  Exactly what potential the iPad has is far from being realized, and it has nothing to do with worshipping Apple.  It's simply understanding where the technology trend towards mobile devices is heading.  As usual, Apple is way ahead of the game, and people like this author are still living in the old computing world.
>>> 
>>>   Also, well, this dude doesn't quite get that Flash is dying a slow death.  It's Internet use is about 62 percent of content, and with several places jumping to HTML5, it's predicted that Flash content will drop to below 40 percent by the end of 2011.  Even Microsoft agreed with Apple's stance on Flash usage, so lamenting the inability of the iPad to handle such content is basically small potatoes.
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> John Panarese
>>> 
>>> On May 12, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> 
>>>> The following review is taken from The Age Green Guide for Thursday, 13 May 2010.
>>>> 
>>>>> Headline, Messiah or a naughty toy?, by Adam Turner.
>>>>> The Apple iPad is a stunning device but suffers greatly for its sins.
>>>>> APPLE'S long-awaited tablet is finally coming to Australia, with pre-orders being taken for delivery in two weeks. But is the iPad a triumph of style over substance?
>>>>> Apple worshippers claim the iPad is heavenly, a tablet carried down from the mountain Moses-style by Apple high priest Steve Jobs. Meanwhile, Apple's critics see the iPad as the golden calf ? wondrous and shiny but ultimately requiring you to sell your soul to the devil in black.
>>>>> Australian customers have been forced to wait for the iPad after US buyers quickly ordered the first batch but a handful of those early iPads made their way to our shores. I was one of the lucky few and arranged for a friend to courier an iPad from California.
>>>>> Yet having owned an iPad for a month, I'm still not convinced that it's computing's saviour. Instead, the iPad is the definitive Apple product ? blessed with a miraculous user experience but blemished by the sin of omission and lacking key features that owners of other devices take for granted.
>>>>> So what exactly is the iPad? Basically, it's an overgrown iPhone, coming in a bit smaller than an A4 sheet of paper. Actually, it's almost exactly the same size as the Green Guide folded in half and not much thicker. Weighing 700 grams, the iPad sits comfortably in your hands and features a gorgeous 25-centimetre display. Don't bother looking for a built-in keyboard as, like the iPhone, the iPad uses a touch-screen interface. You can flick, tap and pinch the screen to navigate your way through the iPad's highly intuitive interface, while an onscreen keyboard pops up when you need to type something.
>>>>> The iPad's screen is exquisite ? making it hard not to fall in love with the device at first sight. Images and colours on the big display are deep and vibrant, plus the iPad's extra grunt under the bonnet makes menus and animations silky smooth.
>>>>> It's clearly an object of desire but what would you do with an iPad? It's a good question, considering they are priced from $629 to $1049 in Australia. The iPad won't replace your mobile phone ? it can't make phone calls. It's also unlikely to replace your desktop computer, or even a powerful notebook ? it runs the iPhone's mobile-phone operating system, so you can only install the applications available from Apple's iTunes Store. The iPad's lack of a physical keyboard would make writing long reports or school assignments a hard slog.
>>>>> Instead, Apple is targeting the iPad as a replacement for the cheap, low-powered netbooks that have become popular recently.
>>>>> At first glance the iPad seems the perfect netbook replacement. It's great for surfing the web, reading email, checking your calendar, viewing your photos, watching videos, updating Twitter and Facebook, listening to music and reading books ? but with a few critical limitations.
>>>>> Like the iPhone, the iPad won't handle Adobe Flash content. Flash is used by many websites to provide video, animated graphics, interactive content and, yes, those annoying ads.
>>>>> The growth in iPhone- and iPad-friendly websites is reducing our reliance on Flash ? as is the rise of new standards such as HTML5 ? but it will be years before Flash fades away. Meanwhile, you'll be disappointed with the iPad if you want to play Flash-based games on Facebook or watch Flash-based video such as the ABC's iView catch-up TV service. Many interesting interactive websites also rely on Flash or equivalent technologies, such as Microsoft Silverlight, forcing you to put down the iPad and go in search of a real computer.
>>>>> The iPad also falls short of a netbook in several other areas. There's no keyboard for typing long documents, no DVD drive for playing movies and music, no webcam for Skype video chats, no memory-card slot for copying photos from your digital camera and no USB ports for connecting other devices. If you're prepared to spend more money, Apple offers solutions for many of these issues. You can buy a wireless keyboard, a USB adaptor and a memory card adaptor. Of course, the iPad isn't as portable as a netbook if you need to carry around a bag full of adaptors and accessories.
>>>>> When it comes to connecting to the internet, the iPad is available in two versions. The Wi-Fi-only version lets the iPad connect to local wireless networks such as your home Wi-Fi network or a public Wi-Fi hotspot. The more expensive Wi-Fi/3G iPad also takes a SIM card so, like a smartphone, it can connect directly to a mobile broadband network. You can't use the SIM card out of your phone, as the iPad uses the micro-SIM format ? offering carriers the chance to lock in iPad customers for exorbitant mobile-data prices.
>>>>> You can't get around these networking limitations by connecting your iPad to a smartphone via Bluetooth or USB, as Apple blocks the ability to "tether" to other devices in order to share internet access. It's the price you pay for living under Apple's benevolent dictatorship.
>>>>> Talking about using the iPad on the go, it's worth noting that the trade-off for the iPad's exquisite display is terrible screen glare. Even on an overcast day you'll be staring at your reflection if you use the iPad outside, plus you'll see every little smudge and fingerprint on the screen. On a bright day the screen is all but unusable in direct sunlight.
>>>>> So what are its redeeming features? Its key strength is usability and its place is probably on the coffee table or beside your bed.
>>>>> Flash limitations aside, the iPad is a great device for casual computing. Forget about viruses, crashes and constant software updates ? the iPad is one of those rare products that "just works". If your only computer is locked away in the study at the cold end of the house, the iPad would be a handy device to have lying around. Want to check your email or read the paper online? Settle an argument using Google or the Internet Movie Database? Play games? Show off your digital photos? All simple tasks when the iPad is at hand.
>>>>> On the flip side, if you already have a house full of computers, with a notebook or netbook always within reach, then the iPad might seem like a redundant extravagance.
>>>>> Think of buying an iPad as buying a Vespa motor scooter when you already own a Ford Territory for driving to work and a Malvern Star for riding to the park. I've had an iPad for a month and, in my tech-savvy household, this wundergadget lies idle most of the time.
>>>>> When we do call upon the iPad, I soon come up against one of its limitations and go in search of a notebook.
>>>>> Now we've cut to the heart of the matter ? what is an iPad good for?
>>>>> If you already own a swag of gadgets, perhaps think of the iPad as an eBook and newspaper reader. More than one Australian publisher is preparing to unveil an iPad application. Apple has also opened an iBookstore section of the iTunes Store, which looks set to do for books what the iPod did for music. Access to the bookstore is restricted to US customers at this stage, although a quick Google search would inform any curious local how to set up a US iTunes account from Australia. You can also read Kindle eBooks on the iPad. Some people might find it easy to justify the expense of an iPad, such as photographers wanting to show off their photos or students who usually carry textbooks.
>>>>> About now it's time to turn our attention to Apple's secret weapon ? the iTunes Store. Access to the iTunes Store, to download music, movies, podcasts, games and productivity apps, gives the iPhone the advantage over competing smartphones. The iPad offers the same flexibility, with almost all the iPhone apps working on the iPad.
>>>>> Your "killer app" for the iPad could be Twittering in front of the television, reading the paper on the way to work, playing games while you wait for the bus or reading books in bed.
>>>>> Perhaps it could be checking the footy score from the backyard, checking the weather forecast from the lounge room, reading your email on the balcony or looking up recipes in the kitchen.
>>>>> If you buy an iPad you'll probably love it, as long as you appreciate its limitations and don't expect it to be a notebook or netbook replacement. Big is certainly beautiful but Apple's eye-catching iPad isn't designed to be your one true love.
>>>>> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 13 09:19:20 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 09:19:20 +0100
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
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What a waste of electrons that reply was! <smile>.

On 13 May 2010, at 09:09, Dane Trethowan wrote:

And that's your opinion? <smile>


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May 13 09:26:33 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 18:26:33 +1000
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
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And that's your opinion <smile>


On 13/05/2010, at 6:19 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> What a waste of electrons that reply was! <smile>.
> 
> On 13 May 2010, at 09:09, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> And that's your opinion? <smile>
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 13 10:05:18 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 10:05:18 +0100
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
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Now, I'm sorry to say, you're just being obtuse.


On 13 May 2010, at 09:26, Dane Trethowan wrote:

And that's your opinion <smile>



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 13 11:30:28 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 11:30:28 +0100
Subject: Audio Editing (Revisited)
Message-ID: <95527335-5D3A-4F5C-A2EE-B787058B232D@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

OK, in an attempt to be absolutely fair before finally deciding on which editor I opt to use long term, I want to try and do something with Amadeus Pro.

So, here's the deal.  I have a large wave file which I need to edit to cut sections out of and so on.

So, am I doing this right?  First, move the play head to the start of a section to be deleted using the unmodified cursor keys, (disregarding that tutorial on the ICanWorkThisThing website which, it seems, isn't quite so well written after all).

2.  Move the insertion head to the location of the playback head by pressing Command+Y.

3.  Press Command+Shift+M to set a marker, which I give a name and then click OK.

4.  Move the cursor to the end of the section to delete using the unmodified cursor keys.

5.  Move the insertion head to the position of the play head using Command+Y.

6.  Insert another marker using Command+Shift+M as before.

7.  Hit the Backspace/delete key to delete the content between the 2 markets to remove the offending section.

Is that the correct procedure?

I have, of course, to play with the zoom settings to narrow down the cursor movement as I require it.

Although this process is far more strait forward using Sound Studio or WireTap Studio, as they use conventional editing procedures.  But I would like to see if there really are advantages, as some have claimed, to doing things this way.

Gordon


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 13 11:32:11 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 11:32:11 +0100
Subject: iPad gets even better
Message-ID: <E4FB62E0-BD65-4FD4-9575-1637DB88854C@tft-bbs.co.uk>

I see there's a gull size keyboard and audio dock for the iPad which I have now ordered to complement the iPad Lynne ordered for me last night.  That will, I think, make life a lot easier to be honest.  Can't wait!

Gordon


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May 13 12:03:23 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 21:03:23 +1000
Subject: Audio Editing (Revisited)
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Nearly the correct procedure yep and I'd like to introduce you to a command which doesn't feature in the Tutorial on Amadeus Pro it seems.

You speak of using "Command-Shift-M" to create a marker? Yep, nothing wrong with that however there's a quicker way, just create your marker with the letter "m", no need to specify a name or anything.

And the final step before pressing backspace to delete? You'll need to use the command-left arrow to extend the selection to the previous marker, of course we're assuming here that the insertion point is at your last marker, conversely if your insertion point is at the start marker of the section you want to delete you'd use command-right arrow to select to the next marker etc.


On 13/05/2010, at 8:30 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> OK, in an attempt to be absolutely fair before finally deciding on which editor I opt to use long term, I want to try and do something with Amadeus Pro.
> 
> So, here's the deal.  I have a large wave file which I need to edit to cut sections out of and so on.
> 
> So, am I doing this right?  First, move the play head to the start of a section to be deleted using the unmodified cursor keys, (disregarding that tutorial on the ICanWorkThisThing website which, it seems, isn't quite so well written after all).
> 
> 2.  Move the insertion head to the location of the playback head by pressing Command+Y.
> 
> 3.  Press Command+Shift+M to set a marker, which I give a name and then click OK.
> 
> 4.  Move the cursor to the end of the section to delete using the unmodified cursor keys.
> 
> 5.  Move the insertion head to the position of the play head using Command+Y.
> 
> 6.  Insert another marker using Command+Shift+M as before.
> 
> 7.  Hit the Backspace/delete key to delete the content between the 2 markets to remove the offending section.
> 
> Is that the correct procedure?
> 
> I have, of course, to play with the zoom settings to narrow down the cursor movement as I require it.
> 
> Although this process is far more strait forward using Sound Studio or WireTap Studio, as they use conventional editing procedures.  But I would like to see if there really are advantages, as some have claimed, to doing things this way.
> 
> Gordon
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May 13 12:04:02 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 21:04:02 +1000
Subject: iPad gets even better
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Okay I have one question, given that you've ordered all that, wouldn't you be just as well off buying a new Macbook?


On 13/05/2010, at 8:32 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> I see there's a gull size keyboard and audio dock for the iPad which I have now ordered to complement the iPad Lynne ordered for me last night.  That will, I think, make life a lot easier to be honest.  Can't wait!
> 
> Gordon
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From support at tft-bbs.com  Thu May 13 12:54:35 2010
From: support at tft-bbs.com (Gordon & Lynne Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 12:54:35 +0100
Subject: Posting to the list
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Hello all

Recently there have been a couple of message carb on copied to this list and to other destinations as well.

This list will not accept messages carbon copied to it.  The reason for that is that carbon copying messages is a tchnique used by spammers.

I know it's easy to forget, which is why this reminder.  But for future reference, unless there are ex eptioal circumastances, we will be deleting without prompting any further attempts to post to the group via CC messages.

Somebody has just posted a message about her iPod and iTunes in this way, so the message did not get through.  If you'd like, you may repost your message.  But please do not CC it or use an implicit destination.  If you do so, your message will disappear without making the list.

Thanks for your understanding pon this.  If possible, we will look at implementing more sophisticated filtering to take account of this.  But for the moment, this policy is active and will remain so.

Gordon



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 13 12:59:31 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 12:59:31 +0100
Subject: Audio Editing (Revisited)
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References: <95527335-5D3A-4F5C-A2EE-B787058B232D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<27CFC17B-25A2-4102-B6BD-AB4D6C0DB9C1@internode.on.net>
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Hi Dane

That's much more like it. <smile>.  A constructive post which is helpful.  The step I missed was the command+left/right cursor to extend the selection.  So thanks for that.


On 13 May 2010, at 12:03, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Nearly the correct procedure yep and I'd like to introduce you to a command which doesn't feature in the Tutorial on Amadeus Pro it seems.

You speak of using "Command-Shift-M" to create a marker? Yep, nothing wrong with that however there's a quicker way, just create your marker with the letter "m", no need to specify a name or anything.

And the final step before pressing backspace to delete? You'll need to use the command-left arrow to extend the selection to the previous marker, of course we're assuming here that the insertion point is at your last marker, conversely if your insertion point is at the start marker of the section you want to delete you'd use command-right arrow to select to the next marker etc.



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 13 13:00:47 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:00:47 +0100
Subject: iPad gets even better
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References: <E4FB62E0-BD65-4FD4-9575-1637DB88854C@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<F0089B55-067E-4BB0-9A6B-AC40493EEDF1@internode.on.net>
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No.  The MacBook doesn't offer 3g, isn't pocketable, and we already have 2 of them. <smile>.

On 13 May 2010, at 12:04, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Okay I have one question, given that you've ordered all that, wouldn't you be just as well off buying a new Macbook?



From martin at x.it.okstate.edu  Thu May 13 13:51:20 2010
From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 07:51:20 -0500
Subject: raidutil from Command Line  Solved
Message-ID: <201005131251.o4DCpKwD043616@x.it.okstate.edu>

I wrote:
> I am getting much closer, but have hit another knowledge void. I
> now have a proper looking raidset

	It is now working. All that was left was to tell
diskutility to "erase" the new drive. It apparently also does a
mkfs or newfs of the drive and defaults to the proper hfs file
system. The result was a new device in /dev/which the installer
could see as a target. The installation of MacOS snowleopard
went normally and I now have a working Mac with a working raid.
Time will tell if it is really working right, but it sure looks
like it is.

Martin McCormick

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 13 15:34:40 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 15:34:40 +0100
Subject: raidutil from Command Line  Solved
In-Reply-To: <201005131251.o4DCpKwD043616@x.it.okstate.edu>
References: <201005131251.o4DCpKwD043616@x.it.okstate.edu>
Message-ID: <A620FA6D-12E2-47A4-8174-CFD688212936@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Martin

I envy you, I must confess.  A Pro would do wonders for our servers.

Gordon

On 13 May 2010, at 13:51, Martin McCormick wrote:
	It is now working. All that was left was to tell
diskutility to "erase" the new drive. It apparently also does a
mkfs or newfs of the drive and defaults to the proper hfs file
system. The result was a new device in /dev/which the installer
could see as a target. The installation of MacOS snowleopard
went normally and I now have a working Mac with a working raid.
Time will tell if it is really working right, but it sure looks
like it is.


From tsiegel at softcon.us  Thu May 13 16:13:07 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 10:13:07 -0500
Subject: Adobe's Official Position
In-Reply-To: <73469B90-6C83-4B8B-98AA-ED32F7477146@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <73469B90-6C83-4B8B-98AA-ED32F7477146@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <0C9F8BE5-8119-4F18-9C5E-1C22569F1703@softcon.us>

Yeah, apple does tend to be extremely tightfisted with their  
information when it comes to offering information that will help  
others build things that would infringe on their proprietary apis.
I've been flatly refused information that would allow me to build  
drivers for braille devices that apple doesn't currently support, and  
I don't expect the circumstances to change anytime soon.
It's really a shame apple takes this stance, and I'm kind of  
disappointed that this is the outcome, but as far as adobe goes, while  
I sympathize with their pdf products, there's no excuse for the  
horrible performance flash enjoys on the macs, any decent code hacker  
could produce a version of flash that runs cleaner and uses less  
system resources, and why adobe has not given this any attention is  
quite the mystery, but to each their own I guess.


From tsiegel at softcon.us  Thu May 13 16:36:02 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 10:36:02 -0500
Subject: Adobe's Official Position
In-Reply-To: <73469B90-6C83-4B8B-98AA-ED32F7477146@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <73469B90-6C83-4B8B-98AA-ED32F7477146@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1696549F-C2A7-42BF-9135-5EF8E2204E00@softcon.us>

One thing to add to this thread though.
Apple is quite willing to assist folks who are trying to make their  
products accessible to voiceover.
There are mailing lists (which apple actively participates in) where  
folks can ask specific questions, and get exact answers to their  
problems regarding accessibility.
One of the companies who have been actively soliciting advice on these  
mailing lists is the folks who make firefox, and as a result, (as  
pointed out a few months ago on this very list)
firefox is getting better in it's usage by vo users.
I see no reason why adobe couldn't do the same and/or buy an adc  
select membership, whereupon they'd get support tickets they could  
cash in for support assistance as regards programming issues thereby  
solving their issues with adobe products and voiceover.
There are avenues apple provides for these kinds of things, it sounds  
to me like adobe wishes to shortcut these processes in an effort to  
prevent public knowledge of products leaking out.
While that may be a valid concern, I can't really see why adobe hasn't  
taken advantage of *any* of the numerous avenues apple provides for  
obtaining information to make products accessible, starting with the  
excellent human interface documentation which all developers are  
encouraged to read by apple to make their apps vo accessible.
I have no doubt adobe could do worlds of good towards vo compatibility  
if they were to implement the items enumerated in these pubically  
accessible documents, and make an attempt to build a vo compatible  
application.
If that were done first, I'm confident that apple would then step up  
and provide any missing information to push the adobe projects the  
last extra bit required to make them completely usable.
At first firefox claimed the same thing, that apple wouldn't assist  
them, but then it was discovered that they implemented a 100 percent  
custom interface, and were not using the apis apple had built-in to  
the os to help access.  Once they began making the attempt to make  
firefox work with said apis, and began asking questions on appropriate  
forums, (well, you can see the results) I imagine adobe would  
experience similar results.
But, it's a result of big company going against big company, and the  
dynamics of such that prevent a lot of the low-level things from  
getting done, so as a result, a lot of fingerpointing goes on, and  
nothing gets resolved.
There's no reason adobe couldn't start the process of making things  
work, then ask apple for assistance in completing the work.
To say nothing will change with the updated versions says to me that  
adobe isn't making the initial steps that would encourage assistance,  
and so thereby aren't getting any assistance.

Apple has published clear guidelines on what neds done to make apps  
work, comapnies can't expect apple to solve their problems for them  
when they won't follow the guidelines that are already in existence.
Of course, apple isn't the greatest with offering help either, and  
perhaps that needs to change, it's the combination of these items that  
has made such a fubar of the whole mess, and I suspect it won't  
change, because neither company is going to be the first to stand up  
and say ok, we'll do it your way.


From martin at x.it.okstate.edu  Thu May 13 17:01:49 2010
From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 11:01:49 -0500
Subject: Saving complex Text
Message-ID: <201005131601.o4DG1nDi044719@x.it.okstate.edu>

	The disk utility has an info pannel one can select when
looking at specifications of disk drives that are found on the
system. This pannel is identified by Voiceover as "text." Is
there a way in either Voiceover or by using other Mac keyboard
commands to capture the text to either the clipboard or to a
file?

	I need to make a new mount point for an extra drive on
the system and one needs the UUID or Unique Unit Identifier for
the drive to be mounted. This is a nice yard-long string of
hex-encoded ASCII plus a few dashes thrown in for fun. I sure
would love to capture that and paste it in to the command that
one must use to set a new mount point.

	I don't care whether it is the paste board or a file so
long as it is electronic and can be incorporated in to a file.

Thanks.

Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
Systems Engineer
OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group

From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Thu May 13 17:09:22 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 18:09:22 +0200
Subject: Saving complex Text
In-Reply-To: <201005131601.o4DG1nDi044719@x.it.okstate.edu>
References: <201005131601.o4DG1nDi044719@x.it.okstate.edu>
Message-ID: <B7CC92E9-5C83-47CA-AEA6-0A559482648B@anarchie.org.uk>

Hello Martin,

If you can get VO to read the string at one go, you can use the command VO-Shift-C to save it to the clipboard (Save last spoken Phrase to Clipboard).

Cheers,

Anne

On May 13, 2010, at 6:01 PM, Martin McCormick wrote:

> 	The disk utility has an info pannel one can select when
> looking at specifications of disk drives that are found on the
> system. This pannel is identified by Voiceover as "text." Is
> there a way in either Voiceover or by using other Mac keyboard
> commands to capture the text to either the clipboard or to a
> file?
> 
> 	I need to make a new mount point for an extra drive on
> the system and one needs the UUID or Unique Unit Identifier for
> the drive to be mounted. This is a nice yard-long string of
> hex-encoded ASCII plus a few dashes thrown in for fun. I sure
> would love to capture that and paste it in to the command that
> one must use to set a new mount point.
> 
> 	I don't care whether it is the paste board or a file so
> long as it is electronic and can be incorporated in to a file.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK 
> Systems Engineer
> OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group
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From christy at compaccessable.com  Thu May 13 17:02:57 2010
From: christy at compaccessable.com (Christy Schulte)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 11:02:57 -0500
Subject: New to the list,
	and question regarding connecting a usb drive in fusion
Message-ID: <233ADB0B8B8E4C9BB33AF64F2F7A1E6B@NEWDESKTOP>

Hi everyone,

I just joined the list last night, and I'm also a relatively new mac user. It's a long and drawn out story, I bought a mac mini with the hope that it could become basically a portable desktop where I could run both mac and windows applications, only to discover that without a monitor hooked in, there were all sorts of issues. So much for portable. So I'm selling that one, and went with a macbook pro instead. I'm studying online at Kaplan university, so it's important that I have access to windows as well, but I got tired of having to get sighted assistance to install it, which is part of my reason for taking the plunge into mac territory. There are other reasons but that's a whole other topic.

So anyway. I got the new machine, got it configured, set up fusion and installed windows and got system access on it. All good so far, but now I've discovered that for some odd reason, windows isn't seeing the external usb hard drive I have plugged in. I've also discovered that switching VO on and clicking the toolbar buttons to connect the drive, or even some of the other buttons, does nothing. It gives me the sound to indicate that the command took, but nothing happens. Any clues as to what might be going on?

Any other tips for using windows in the fusion environment would be great as well. I'm likely to be switching in and out a lot and I've already found that sometimes the keys start acting strange. I did discover a program that allowed me to map a couple of keys to be an insert and context key, so that's good.

Thanks,
Christy

From martin at x.it.okstate.edu  Thu May 13 17:31:28 2010
From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 11:31:28 -0500
Subject: Saving complex Text 
Message-ID: <201005131631.o4DGVSnQ044881@x.it.okstate.edu>

Anne Robertson writes:
> If you can get VO to read the string at one go, you can use the command 
> VO-Shift-C to save it to the clipboard (Save last spoken Phrase to 
> Clipboard).

	Thank you very much. I tried that but against the whole
window.  This time, I "interact"ed with the text in the window.
You find yourself at the bottom on a blank line which is why it
didn't work the first time. The Up arrow takes you up line by
line until one gets to the correct line and then, voila, I hit
VO-Shift-c and got it. Not that this matters, but here is what I
saved and you will perfectly understand why this is like finding
gold.

	Universal Unique Identifier : 	16E6FE1C-BAA5-352F-B880-DB804C8F39E1


	I am so glad I didn't have to try to remember that plus
the case although all the letters seem to be upper case.

Again thanks a million.

Martin McCormick

From jpanarese at mac-access.net  Thu May 13 18:40:11 2010
From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:40:11 -0400
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
In-Reply-To: <B9693519-7788-4ECD-829F-EF432E8CD246@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <F1F4CFAB-8BE3-4EDA-94AE-505FEBABEB2F@internode.on.net>
	<717B5C9D-225C-42B9-9F19-2F04F5EDAB7B@mac-access.net>
	<63B8CC59-4BF0-41B9-9566-A4B5FFC4FDD8@internode.on.net>
	<9E7BC42E-4D76-473C-AAFA-41079F2AA58B@mac-access.net>
	<B9693519-7788-4ECD-829F-EF432E8CD246@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5DCF2F02-C3A1-474C-80B9-0FB212E15708@mac-access.net>

Hi Gordon,
     This also really swayed me to go out an buy one.  I originally had not planned to do so because I own a Mac Book Pro and an iPhone.  However, as I have read more and more and am understanding the potential of the device, especially through third party developers, I changed my mind.  I simply can see several productive uses for an iPad in my every day life, and, thus, I ordered the 3g/WIFI model as well.

    I want to make clear that I was not taking issue with the overall article.  The author made several good points and even the negatives made perfect sense from a constructive view point.  Again, the iPad is not for everyone.  My "problem" with his opinion, however, as I said, was the fact that he started off the article basically making the comparison between an iPad and a net book.  This, to me, is where any further attempts to compare are flawed.  It, to me, takes away any further validation because you are already comparing two devices that should not or are not meant to be compared.  It's like comparing a BrailleNote or PackMate to a laptop, as we sometimes see on blindness lists.

Take Care
John Panarese

On May 13, 2010, at 3:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi John & Dane
> 
> Just to add my two-penneth here if I may.  Where an "opinion" is concerned, there is no right or wrong.  Just as the opinion I have formed regarding Amadeus Pro is not right or wrong.
> 
> What is right or wrong are the facts or the statement of what we perceive to be facts, upon which we base our opinions.
> 
> By all means formulate an opinion which differs from mine, or I will formulate one which differs from Dane's.  But if I base my opinion on factual inaccuracies, then yes, the opinion may be tainted.
> 
> With regards the iPad and NetBooks.  Sadly, one will always encounter the negative.  Dane and John are quite correct that this "reviewer" is quite entitled to his opinion.  And quite honestly, petty arguments based upon it are counterproductive and pointless.
> 
> Just as, for instance, arguments based on one's opinions of Amadeus Pro are pointless.  Now, if one were to correct factual inaccurate assertions and then, by reasoned discussion, attempt to sway the opinion of another, that's totally different.  That is why I just totally ignore posts like "horses for courses but you bla bla bla bla bla", when there is absolutely nothing in the message to correct misinformation, merely personal sniping and, for want of a better word, bitching.
> 
> There are those on this list who do an excellent job of factual correction.  Speaking personally, I'm more than happy to be corrected if I am doing something wrongly and, thereby, formulate an opinion based on misinformation.  But when the proponent of the opposite view merely starts becoming abusive without bothering to verify facts, I simply switch off, hit the delete key.
> 
> I have done some reading on the iPad recently and, as a result, have come to realise that it's actually a device which offers huge potential.  What changed my views so significantly though was the Apple announcement some time ago of the Wifi +3G model.  That, to me at least, made it a complete solution well suited to my needs.
> 
> In fact, it fits perfectly with my plans.  I also have many apps already which will drive the iPad in positively wonderful ways for me.  I have navigation apps, audio apps and other practically useful apps.
> 
> I confess I'm not one for simply rushing out and trying everything under the sun to see what works.  Maybe, when my personal situation improves, that might change.  But currently I just want something that will do the job I want it to do, end of story.
> 
> Actually, I think we're probably either going to use the iPod Touch exclusively in-car, or get rid of it.  Frankly, that's one device I've been somewhat disappointed with and regret our decision to buy.
> 
> Anyway I am rambling, but just wanted to add my little bit.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 12 May 2010, at 21:37, John Panarese wrote:
> 
>   Of course one is entitled to their opinions.  Opinions, however, do not necessarily have to be right if they are based on misinformation.  The iPad is not for everyone and there are certainly many who will not ever buy one.  My point is that his opinion is based on flawed assumptions.  He is starting with the premise that the iPad is a net book competitor, and if you heard Steve Jobs' address about it, it is not meant to be a net book replacement.  It's a category of its own, and considering that Google is planning on releasing a Tablet, Apple is pretty much dead on again.  I think you are going to find several tablet types of devices coming out over the next year, and the whole "what is an iPad?" debate will be long dead.
> 
> Take Care
> John Panarese
> 
> On May 12, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> Good on you John <smile>
>> 
>> Well Adam is entitled to his opinion regardless of whether its right or wrong? Time will tell on that point.
>> 
>> As it happens, there was an article about Flash right before this review so - as you've mentioned Flash - I'll send it to the list as it touches on some of the points you've made.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> 
>> On 13/05/2010, at 6:25 AM, John Panarese wrote:
>> 
>>>  Yet another person who doesn't get it.  I'm tired of saying this, but one cannot compare an iPad to a net book.  They are different animals, and this need to compare them is missing the overall point.  Just like with the iPhone, it's going to take a bit of time before most folks finally catch on.  Exactly what potential the iPad has is far from being realized, and it has nothing to do with worshipping Apple.  It's simply understanding where the technology trend towards mobile devices is heading.  As usual, Apple is way ahead of the game, and people like this author are still living in the old computing world.
>>> 
>>>   Also, well, this dude doesn't quite get that Flash is dying a slow death.  It's Internet use is about 62 percent of content, and with several places jumping to HTML5, it's predicted that Flash content will drop to below 40 percent by the end of 2011.  Even Microsoft agreed with Apple's stance on Flash usage, so lamenting the inability of the iPad to handle such content is basically small potatoes.
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> John Panarese
>>> 
>>> On May 12, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> 
>>>> The following review is taken from The Age Green Guide for Thursday, 13 May 2010.
>>>> 
>>>>> Headline, Messiah or a naughty toy?, by Adam Turner.
>>>>> The Apple iPad is a stunning device but suffers greatly for its sins.
>>>>> APPLE'S long-awaited tablet is finally coming to Australia, with pre-orders being taken for delivery in two weeks. But is the iPad a triumph of style over substance?
>>>>> Apple worshippers claim the iPad is heavenly, a tablet carried down from the mountain Moses-style by Apple high priest Steve Jobs. Meanwhile, Apple's critics see the iPad as the golden calf ? wondrous and shiny but ultimately requiring you to sell your soul to the devil in black.
>>>>> Australian customers have been forced to wait for the iPad after US buyers quickly ordered the first batch but a handful of those early iPads made their way to our shores. I was one of the lucky few and arranged for a friend to courier an iPad from California.
>>>>> Yet having owned an iPad for a month, I'm still not convinced that it's computing's saviour. Instead, the iPad is the definitive Apple product ? blessed with a miraculous user experience but blemished by the sin of omission and lacking key features that owners of other devices take for granted.
>>>>> So what exactly is the iPad? Basically, it's an overgrown iPhone, coming in a bit smaller than an A4 sheet of paper. Actually, it's almost exactly the same size as the Green Guide folded in half and not much thicker. Weighing 700 grams, the iPad sits comfortably in your hands and features a gorgeous 25-centimetre display. Don't bother looking for a built-in keyboard as, like the iPhone, the iPad uses a touch-screen interface. You can flick, tap and pinch the screen to navigate your way through the iPad's highly intuitive interface, while an onscreen keyboard pops up when you need to type something.
>>>>> The iPad's screen is exquisite ? making it hard not to fall in love with the device at first sight. Images and colours on the big display are deep and vibrant, plus the iPad's extra grunt under the bonnet makes menus and animations silky smooth.
>>>>> It's clearly an object of desire but what would you do with an iPad? It's a good question, considering they are priced from $629 to $1049 in Australia. The iPad won't replace your mobile phone ? it can't make phone calls. It's also unlikely to replace your desktop computer, or even a powerful notebook ? it runs the iPhone's mobile-phone operating system, so you can only install the applications available from Apple's iTunes Store. The iPad's lack of a physical keyboard would make writing long reports or school assignments a hard slog.
>>>>> Instead, Apple is targeting the iPad as a replacement for the cheap, low-powered netbooks that have become popular recently.
>>>>> At first glance the iPad seems the perfect netbook replacement. It's great for surfing the web, reading email, checking your calendar, viewing your photos, watching videos, updating Twitter and Facebook, listening to music and reading books ? but with a few critical limitations.
>>>>> Like the iPhone, the iPad won't handle Adobe Flash content. Flash is used by many websites to provide video, animated graphics, interactive content and, yes, those annoying ads.
>>>>> The growth in iPhone- and iPad-friendly websites is reducing our reliance on Flash ? as is the rise of new standards such as HTML5 ? but it will be years before Flash fades away. Meanwhile, you'll be disappointed with the iPad if you want to play Flash-based games on Facebook or watch Flash-based video such as the ABC's iView catch-up TV service. Many interesting interactive websites also rely on Flash or equivalent technologies, such as Microsoft Silverlight, forcing you to put down the iPad and go in search of a real computer.
>>>>> The iPad also falls short of a netbook in several other areas. There's no keyboard for typing long documents, no DVD drive for playing movies and music, no webcam for Skype video chats, no memory-card slot for copying photos from your digital camera and no USB ports for connecting other devices. If you're prepared to spend more money, Apple offers solutions for many of these issues. You can buy a wireless keyboard, a USB adaptor and a memory card adaptor. Of course, the iPad isn't as portable as a netbook if you need to carry around a bag full of adaptors and accessories.
>>>>> When it comes to connecting to the internet, the iPad is available in two versions. The Wi-Fi-only version lets the iPad connect to local wireless networks such as your home Wi-Fi network or a public Wi-Fi hotspot. The more expensive Wi-Fi/3G iPad also takes a SIM card so, like a smartphone, it can connect directly to a mobile broadband network. You can't use the SIM card out of your phone, as the iPad uses the micro-SIM format ? offering carriers the chance to lock in iPad customers for exorbitant mobile-data prices.
>>>>> You can't get around these networking limitations by connecting your iPad to a smartphone via Bluetooth or USB, as Apple blocks the ability to "tether" to other devices in order to share internet access. It's the price you pay for living under Apple's benevolent dictatorship.
>>>>> Talking about using the iPad on the go, it's worth noting that the trade-off for the iPad's exquisite display is terrible screen glare. Even on an overcast day you'll be staring at your reflection if you use the iPad outside, plus you'll see every little smudge and fingerprint on the screen. On a bright day the screen is all but unusable in direct sunlight.
>>>>> So what are its redeeming features? Its key strength is usability and its place is probably on the coffee table or beside your bed.
>>>>> Flash limitations aside, the iPad is a great device for casual computing. Forget about viruses, crashes and constant software updates ? the iPad is one of those rare products that "just works". If your only computer is locked away in the study at the cold end of the house, the iPad would be a handy device to have lying around. Want to check your email or read the paper online? Settle an argument using Google or the Internet Movie Database? Play games? Show off your digital photos? All simple tasks when the iPad is at hand.
>>>>> On the flip side, if you already have a house full of computers, with a notebook or netbook always within reach, then the iPad might seem like a redundant extravagance.
>>>>> Think of buying an iPad as buying a Vespa motor scooter when you already own a Ford Territory for driving to work and a Malvern Star for riding to the park. I've had an iPad for a month and, in my tech-savvy household, this wundergadget lies idle most of the time.
>>>>> When we do call upon the iPad, I soon come up against one of its limitations and go in search of a notebook.
>>>>> Now we've cut to the heart of the matter ? what is an iPad good for?
>>>>> If you already own a swag of gadgets, perhaps think of the iPad as an eBook and newspaper reader. More than one Australian publisher is preparing to unveil an iPad application. Apple has also opened an iBookstore section of the iTunes Store, which looks set to do for books what the iPod did for music. Access to the bookstore is restricted to US customers at this stage, although a quick Google search would inform any curious local how to set up a US iTunes account from Australia. You can also read Kindle eBooks on the iPad. Some people might find it easy to justify the expense of an iPad, such as photographers wanting to show off their photos or students who usually carry textbooks.
>>>>> About now it's time to turn our attention to Apple's secret weapon ? the iTunes Store. Access to the iTunes Store, to download music, movies, podcasts, games and productivity apps, gives the iPhone the advantage over competing smartphones. The iPad offers the same flexibility, with almost all the iPhone apps working on the iPad.
>>>>> Your "killer app" for the iPad could be Twittering in front of the television, reading the paper on the way to work, playing games while you wait for the bus or reading books in bed.
>>>>> Perhaps it could be checking the footy score from the backyard, checking the weather forecast from the lounge room, reading your email on the balcony or looking up recipes in the kitchen.
>>>>> If you buy an iPad you'll probably love it, as long as you appreciate its limitations and don't expect it to be a notebook or netbook replacement. Big is certainly beautiful but Apple's eye-catching iPad isn't designed to be your one true love.
>>>>> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May 13 18:44:18 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 03:44:18 +1000
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I can see why the reviewer made the comparison between a Netbook and and Ipad - rightly or wrongly - because that's how a lot of the public are talking, should I buy a Netbook or an Ipad?


On 14/05/2010, at 3:40 AM, John Panarese wrote:

> Hi Gordon,
>     This also really swayed me to go out an buy one.  I originally had not planned to do so because I own a Mac Book Pro and an iPhone.  However, as I have read more and more and am understanding the potential of the device, especially through third party developers, I changed my mind.  I simply can see several productive uses for an iPad in my every day life, and, thus, I ordered the 3g/WIFI model as well.
> 
>    I want to make clear that I was not taking issue with the overall article.  The author made several good points and even the negatives made perfect sense from a constructive view point.  Again, the iPad is not for everyone.  My "problem" with his opinion, however, as I said, was the fact that he started off the article basically making the comparison between an iPad and a net book.  This, to me, is where any further attempts to compare are flawed.  It, to me, takes away any further validation because you are already comparing two devices that should not or are not meant to be compared.  It's like comparing a BrailleNote or PackMate to a laptop, as we sometimes see on blindness lists.
> 
> Take Care
> John Panarese
> 
> On May 13, 2010, at 3:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi John & Dane
>> 
>> Just to add my two-penneth here if I may.  Where an "opinion" is concerned, there is no right or wrong.  Just as the opinion I have formed regarding Amadeus Pro is not right or wrong.
>> 
>> What is right or wrong are the facts or the statement of what we perceive to be facts, upon which we base our opinions.
>> 
>> By all means formulate an opinion which differs from mine, or I will formulate one which differs from Dane's.  But if I base my opinion on factual inaccuracies, then yes, the opinion may be tainted.
>> 
>> With regards the iPad and NetBooks.  Sadly, one will always encounter the negative.  Dane and John are quite correct that this "reviewer" is quite entitled to his opinion.  And quite honestly, petty arguments based upon it are counterproductive and pointless.
>> 
>> Just as, for instance, arguments based on one's opinions of Amadeus Pro are pointless.  Now, if one were to correct factual inaccurate assertions and then, by reasoned discussion, attempt to sway the opinion of another, that's totally different.  That is why I just totally ignore posts like "horses for courses but you bla bla bla bla bla", when there is absolutely nothing in the message to correct misinformation, merely personal sniping and, for want of a better word, bitching.
>> 
>> There are those on this list who do an excellent job of factual correction.  Speaking personally, I'm more than happy to be corrected if I am doing something wrongly and, thereby, formulate an opinion based on misinformation.  But when the proponent of the opposite view merely starts becoming abusive without bothering to verify facts, I simply switch off, hit the delete key.
>> 
>> I have done some reading on the iPad recently and, as a result, have come to realise that it's actually a device which offers huge potential.  What changed my views so significantly though was the Apple announcement some time ago of the Wifi +3G model.  That, to me at least, made it a complete solution well suited to my needs.
>> 
>> In fact, it fits perfectly with my plans.  I also have many apps already which will drive the iPad in positively wonderful ways for me.  I have navigation apps, audio apps and other practically useful apps.
>> 
>> I confess I'm not one for simply rushing out and trying everything under the sun to see what works.  Maybe, when my personal situation improves, that might change.  But currently I just want something that will do the job I want it to do, end of story.
>> 
>> Actually, I think we're probably either going to use the iPod Touch exclusively in-car, or get rid of it.  Frankly, that's one device I've been somewhat disappointed with and regret our decision to buy.
>> 
>> Anyway I am rambling, but just wanted to add my little bit.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
>> On 12 May 2010, at 21:37, John Panarese wrote:
>> 
>>  Of course one is entitled to their opinions.  Opinions, however, do not necessarily have to be right if they are based on misinformation.  The iPad is not for everyone and there are certainly many who will not ever buy one.  My point is that his opinion is based on flawed assumptions.  He is starting with the premise that the iPad is a net book competitor, and if you heard Steve Jobs' address about it, it is not meant to be a net book replacement.  It's a category of its own, and considering that Google is planning on releasing a Tablet, Apple is pretty much dead on again.  I think you are going to find several tablet types of devices coming out over the next year, and the whole "what is an iPad?" debate will be long dead.
>> 
>> Take Care
>> John Panarese
>> 
>> On May 12, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>>> Good on you John <smile>
>>> 
>>> Well Adam is entitled to his opinion regardless of whether its right or wrong? Time will tell on that point.
>>> 
>>> As it happens, there was an article about Flash right before this review so - as you've mentioned Flash - I'll send it to the list as it touches on some of the points you've made.
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 13/05/2010, at 6:25 AM, John Panarese wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yet another person who doesn't get it.  I'm tired of saying this, but one cannot compare an iPad to a net book.  They are different animals, and this need to compare them is missing the overall point.  Just like with the iPhone, it's going to take a bit of time before most folks finally catch on.  Exactly what potential the iPad has is far from being realized, and it has nothing to do with worshipping Apple.  It's simply understanding where the technology trend towards mobile devices is heading.  As usual, Apple is way ahead of the game, and people like this author are still living in the old computing world.
>>>> 
>>>>  Also, well, this dude doesn't quite get that Flash is dying a slow death.  It's Internet use is about 62 percent of content, and with several places jumping to HTML5, it's predicted that Flash content will drop to below 40 percent by the end of 2011.  Even Microsoft agreed with Apple's stance on Flash usage, so lamenting the inability of the iPad to handle such content is basically small potatoes.
>>>> 
>>>> Take Care
>>>> John Panarese
>>>> 
>>>> On May 12, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> 
>>>>> The following review is taken from The Age Green Guide for Thursday, 13 May 2010.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Headline, Messiah or a naughty toy?, by Adam Turner.
>>>>>> The Apple iPad is a stunning device but suffers greatly for its sins.
>>>>>> APPLE'S long-awaited tablet is finally coming to Australia, with pre-orders being taken for delivery in two weeks. But is the iPad a triumph of style over substance?
>>>>>> Apple worshippers claim the iPad is heavenly, a tablet carried down from the mountain Moses-style by Apple high priest Steve Jobs. Meanwhile, Apple's critics see the iPad as the golden calf ? wondrous and shiny but ultimately requiring you to sell your soul to the devil in black.
>>>>>> Australian customers have been forced to wait for the iPad after US buyers quickly ordered the first batch but a handful of those early iPads made their way to our shores. I was one of the lucky few and arranged for a friend to courier an iPad from California.
>>>>>> Yet having owned an iPad for a month, I'm still not convinced that it's computing's saviour. Instead, the iPad is the definitive Apple product ? blessed with a miraculous user experience but blemished by the sin of omission and lacking key features that owners of other devices take for granted.
>>>>>> So what exactly is the iPad? Basically, it's an overgrown iPhone, coming in a bit smaller than an A4 sheet of paper. Actually, it's almost exactly the same size as the Green Guide folded in half and not much thicker. Weighing 700 grams, the iPad sits comfortably in your hands and features a gorgeous 25-centimetre display. Don't bother looking for a built-in keyboard as, like the iPhone, the iPad uses a touch-screen interface. You can flick, tap and pinch the screen to navigate your way through the iPad's highly intuitive interface, while an onscreen keyboard pops up when you need to type something.
>>>>>> The iPad's screen is exquisite ? making it hard not to fall in love with the device at first sight. Images and colours on the big display are deep and vibrant, plus the iPad's extra grunt under the bonnet makes menus and animations silky smooth.
>>>>>> It's clearly an object of desire but what would you do with an iPad? It's a good question, considering they are priced from $629 to $1049 in Australia. The iPad won't replace your mobile phone ? it can't make phone calls. It's also unlikely to replace your desktop computer, or even a powerful notebook ? it runs the iPhone's mobile-phone operating system, so you can only install the applications available from Apple's iTunes Store. The iPad's lack of a physical keyboard would make writing long reports or school assignments a hard slog.
>>>>>> Instead, Apple is targeting the iPad as a replacement for the cheap, low-powered netbooks that have become popular recently.
>>>>>> At first glance the iPad seems the perfect netbook replacement. It's great for surfing the web, reading email, checking your calendar, viewing your photos, watching videos, updating Twitter and Facebook, listening to music and reading books ? but with a few critical limitations.
>>>>>> Like the iPhone, the iPad won't handle Adobe Flash content. Flash is used by many websites to provide video, animated graphics, interactive content and, yes, those annoying ads.
>>>>>> The growth in iPhone- and iPad-friendly websites is reducing our reliance on Flash ? as is the rise of new standards such as HTML5 ? but it will be years before Flash fades away. Meanwhile, you'll be disappointed with the iPad if you want to play Flash-based games on Facebook or watch Flash-based video such as the ABC's iView catch-up TV service. Many interesting interactive websites also rely on Flash or equivalent technologies, such as Microsoft Silverlight, forcing you to put down the iPad and go in search of a real computer.
>>>>>> The iPad also falls short of a netbook in several other areas. There's no keyboard for typing long documents, no DVD drive for playing movies and music, no webcam for Skype video chats, no memory-card slot for copying photos from your digital camera and no USB ports for connecting other devices. If you're prepared to spend more money, Apple offers solutions for many of these issues. You can buy a wireless keyboard, a USB adaptor and a memory card adaptor. Of course, the iPad isn't as portable as a netbook if you need to carry around a bag full of adaptors and accessories.
>>>>>> When it comes to connecting to the internet, the iPad is available in two versions. The Wi-Fi-only version lets the iPad connect to local wireless networks such as your home Wi-Fi network or a public Wi-Fi hotspot. The more expensive Wi-Fi/3G iPad also takes a SIM card so, like a smartphone, it can connect directly to a mobile broadband network. You can't use the SIM card out of your phone, as the iPad uses the micro-SIM format ? offering carriers the chance to lock in iPad customers for exorbitant mobile-data prices.
>>>>>> You can't get around these networking limitations by connecting your iPad to a smartphone via Bluetooth or USB, as Apple blocks the ability to "tether" to other devices in order to share internet access. It's the price you pay for living under Apple's benevolent dictatorship.
>>>>>> Talking about using the iPad on the go, it's worth noting that the trade-off for the iPad's exquisite display is terrible screen glare. Even on an overcast day you'll be staring at your reflection if you use the iPad outside, plus you'll see every little smudge and fingerprint on the screen. On a bright day the screen is all but unusable in direct sunlight.
>>>>>> So what are its redeeming features? Its key strength is usability and its place is probably on the coffee table or beside your bed.
>>>>>> Flash limitations aside, the iPad is a great device for casual computing. Forget about viruses, crashes and constant software updates ? the iPad is one of those rare products that "just works". If your only computer is locked away in the study at the cold end of the house, the iPad would be a handy device to have lying around. Want to check your email or read the paper online? Settle an argument using Google or the Internet Movie Database? Play games? Show off your digital photos? All simple tasks when the iPad is at hand.
>>>>>> On the flip side, if you already have a house full of computers, with a notebook or netbook always within reach, then the iPad might seem like a redundant extravagance.
>>>>>> Think of buying an iPad as buying a Vespa motor scooter when you already own a Ford Territory for driving to work and a Malvern Star for riding to the park. I've had an iPad for a month and, in my tech-savvy household, this wundergadget lies idle most of the time.
>>>>>> When we do call upon the iPad, I soon come up against one of its limitations and go in search of a notebook.
>>>>>> Now we've cut to the heart of the matter ? what is an iPad good for?
>>>>>> If you already own a swag of gadgets, perhaps think of the iPad as an eBook and newspaper reader. More than one Australian publisher is preparing to unveil an iPad application. Apple has also opened an iBookstore section of the iTunes Store, which looks set to do for books what the iPod did for music. Access to the bookstore is restricted to US customers at this stage, although a quick Google search would inform any curious local how to set up a US iTunes account from Australia. You can also read Kindle eBooks on the iPad. Some people might find it easy to justify the expense of an iPad, such as photographers wanting to show off their photos or students who usually carry textbooks.
>>>>>> About now it's time to turn our attention to Apple's secret weapon ? the iTunes Store. Access to the iTunes Store, to download music, movies, podcasts, games and productivity apps, gives the iPhone the advantage over competing smartphones. The iPad offers the same flexibility, with almost all the iPhone apps working on the iPad.
>>>>>> Your "killer app" for the iPad could be Twittering in front of the television, reading the paper on the way to work, playing games while you wait for the bus or reading books in bed.
>>>>>> Perhaps it could be checking the footy score from the backyard, checking the weather forecast from the lounge room, reading your email on the balcony or looking up recipes in the kitchen.
>>>>>> If you buy an iPad you'll probably love it, as long as you appreciate its limitations and don't expect it to be a notebook or netbook replacement. Big is certainly beautiful but Apple's eye-catching iPad isn't designed to be your one true love.
>>>>>> 
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From jpanarese at mac-access.net  Thu May 13 18:55:31 2010
From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:55:31 -0400
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
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Hi Dane,
    That was my initial point in my first post on this subject.  It is wrongly being done.  Look, the bottom line is people are going to believe what they like, whether that be net books and iPads are the same or not.  However, it is obvious the industry does not see them as the same animal.  If that was not the case, Google would not be investing money into an iPad-type device, and I hear now that HP plans to do so using the Android OS as well.  So, as I also said, the whole "what is an iPad?" debate is going to become laughable in another year when there are several tablet devices out there.  It's funny to me that so many products from Apple are mocked and maligned at first only to have competitors go out and try to duplicate them.  The iPod, iMac and iPhone all come to mind ....  So, again, the iPad is not the same as a net book.  If it was the case, Apple would have released their own net book, instead of changing the game with something innovative.


Take Care

On May 13, 2010, at 1:44 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> I can see why the reviewer made the comparison between a Netbook and and Ipad - rightly or wrongly - because that's how a lot of the public are talking, should I buy a Netbook or an Ipad?
> 
> 
> On 14/05/2010, at 3:40 AM, John Panarese wrote:
> 
>> Hi Gordon,
>>    This also really swayed me to go out an buy one.  I originally had not planned to do so because I own a Mac Book Pro and an iPhone.  However, as I have read more and more and am understanding the potential of the device, especially through third party developers, I changed my mind.  I simply can see several productive uses for an iPad in my every day life, and, thus, I ordered the 3g/WIFI model as well.
>> 
>>   I want to make clear that I was not taking issue with the overall article.  The author made several good points and even the negatives made perfect sense from a constructive view point.  Again, the iPad is not for everyone.  My "problem" with his opinion, however, as I said, was the fact that he started off the article basically making the comparison between an iPad and a net book.  This, to me, is where any further attempts to compare are flawed.  It, to me, takes away any further validation because you are already comparing two devices that should not or are not meant to be compared.  It's like comparing a BrailleNote or PackMate to a laptop, as we sometimes see on blindness lists.
>> 
>> Take Care
>> John Panarese
>> 
>> On May 13, 2010, at 3:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi John & Dane
>>> 
>>> Just to add my two-penneth here if I may.  Where an "opinion" is concerned, there is no right or wrong.  Just as the opinion I have formed regarding Amadeus Pro is not right or wrong.
>>> 
>>> What is right or wrong are the facts or the statement of what we perceive to be facts, upon which we base our opinions.
>>> 
>>> By all means formulate an opinion which differs from mine, or I will formulate one which differs from Dane's.  But if I base my opinion on factual inaccuracies, then yes, the opinion may be tainted.
>>> 
>>> With regards the iPad and NetBooks.  Sadly, one will always encounter the negative.  Dane and John are quite correct that this "reviewer" is quite entitled to his opinion.  And quite honestly, petty arguments based upon it are counterproductive and pointless.
>>> 
>>> Just as, for instance, arguments based on one's opinions of Amadeus Pro are pointless.  Now, if one were to correct factual inaccurate assertions and then, by reasoned discussion, attempt to sway the opinion of another, that's totally different.  That is why I just totally ignore posts like "horses for courses but you bla bla bla bla bla", when there is absolutely nothing in the message to correct misinformation, merely personal sniping and, for want of a better word, bitching.
>>> 
>>> There are those on this list who do an excellent job of factual correction.  Speaking personally, I'm more than happy to be corrected if I am doing something wrongly and, thereby, formulate an opinion based on misinformation.  But when the proponent of the opposite view merely starts becoming abusive without bothering to verify facts, I simply switch off, hit the delete key.
>>> 
>>> I have done some reading on the iPad recently and, as a result, have come to realise that it's actually a device which offers huge potential.  What changed my views so significantly though was the Apple announcement some time ago of the Wifi +3G model.  That, to me at least, made it a complete solution well suited to my needs.
>>> 
>>> In fact, it fits perfectly with my plans.  I also have many apps already which will drive the iPad in positively wonderful ways for me.  I have navigation apps, audio apps and other practically useful apps.
>>> 
>>> I confess I'm not one for simply rushing out and trying everything under the sun to see what works.  Maybe, when my personal situation improves, that might change.  But currently I just want something that will do the job I want it to do, end of story.
>>> 
>>> Actually, I think we're probably either going to use the iPod Touch exclusively in-car, or get rid of it.  Frankly, that's one device I've been somewhat disappointed with and regret our decision to buy.
>>> 
>>> Anyway I am rambling, but just wanted to add my little bit.
>>> 
>>> Gordon
>>> 
>>> On 12 May 2010, at 21:37, John Panarese wrote:
>>> 
>>> Of course one is entitled to their opinions.  Opinions, however, do not necessarily have to be right if they are based on misinformation.  The iPad is not for everyone and there are certainly many who will not ever buy one.  My point is that his opinion is based on flawed assumptions.  He is starting with the premise that the iPad is a net book competitor, and if you heard Steve Jobs' address about it, it is not meant to be a net book replacement.  It's a category of its own, and considering that Google is planning on releasing a Tablet, Apple is pretty much dead on again.  I think you are going to find several tablet types of devices coming out over the next year, and the whole "what is an iPad?" debate will be long dead.
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> John Panarese
>>> 
>>> On May 12, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Good on you John <smile>
>>>> 
>>>> Well Adam is entitled to his opinion regardless of whether its right or wrong? Time will tell on that point.
>>>> 
>>>> As it happens, there was an article about Flash right before this review so - as you've mentioned Flash - I'll send it to the list as it touches on some of the points you've made.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 13/05/2010, at 6:25 AM, John Panarese wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Yet another person who doesn't get it.  I'm tired of saying this, but one cannot compare an iPad to a net book.  They are different animals, and this need to compare them is missing the overall point.  Just like with the iPhone, it's going to take a bit of time before most folks finally catch on.  Exactly what potential the iPad has is far from being realized, and it has nothing to do with worshipping Apple.  It's simply understanding where the technology trend towards mobile devices is heading.  As usual, Apple is way ahead of the game, and people like this author are still living in the old computing world.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, well, this dude doesn't quite get that Flash is dying a slow death.  It's Internet use is about 62 percent of content, and with several places jumping to HTML5, it's predicted that Flash content will drop to below 40 percent by the end of 2011.  Even Microsoft agreed with Apple's stance on Flash usage, so lamenting the inability of the iPad to handle such content is basically small potatoes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Take Care
>>>>> John Panarese
>>>>> 
>>>>> On May 12, 2010, at 4:16 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The following review is taken from The Age Green Guide for Thursday, 13 May 2010.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Headline, Messiah or a naughty toy?, by Adam Turner.
>>>>>>> The Apple iPad is a stunning device but suffers greatly for its sins.
>>>>>>> APPLE'S long-awaited tablet is finally coming to Australia, with pre-orders being taken for delivery in two weeks. But is the iPad a triumph of style over substance?
>>>>>>> Apple worshippers claim the iPad is heavenly, a tablet carried down from the mountain Moses-style by Apple high priest Steve Jobs. Meanwhile, Apple's critics see the iPad as the golden calf ? wondrous and shiny but ultimately requiring you to sell your soul to the devil in black.
>>>>>>> Australian customers have been forced to wait for the iPad after US buyers quickly ordered the first batch but a handful of those early iPads made their way to our shores. I was one of the lucky few and arranged for a friend to courier an iPad from California.
>>>>>>> Yet having owned an iPad for a month, I'm still not convinced that it's computing's saviour. Instead, the iPad is the definitive Apple product ? blessed with a miraculous user experience but blemished by the sin of omission and lacking key features that owners of other devices take for granted.
>>>>>>> So what exactly is the iPad? Basically, it's an overgrown iPhone, coming in a bit smaller than an A4 sheet of paper. Actually, it's almost exactly the same size as the Green Guide folded in half and not much thicker. Weighing 700 grams, the iPad sits comfortably in your hands and features a gorgeous 25-centimetre display. Don't bother looking for a built-in keyboard as, like the iPhone, the iPad uses a touch-screen interface. You can flick, tap and pinch the screen to navigate your way through the iPad's highly intuitive interface, while an onscreen keyboard pops up when you need to type something.
>>>>>>> The iPad's screen is exquisite ? making it hard not to fall in love with the device at first sight. Images and colours on the big display are deep and vibrant, plus the iPad's extra grunt under the bonnet makes menus and animations silky smooth.
>>>>>>> It's clearly an object of desire but what would you do with an iPad? It's a good question, considering they are priced from $629 to $1049 in Australia. The iPad won't replace your mobile phone ? it can't make phone calls. It's also unlikely to replace your desktop computer, or even a powerful notebook ? it runs the iPhone's mobile-phone operating system, so you can only install the applications available from Apple's iTunes Store. The iPad's lack of a physical keyboard would make writing long reports or school assignments a hard slog.
>>>>>>> Instead, Apple is targeting the iPad as a replacement for the cheap, low-powered netbooks that have become popular recently.
>>>>>>> At first glance the iPad seems the perfect netbook replacement. It's great for surfing the web, reading email, checking your calendar, viewing your photos, watching videos, updating Twitter and Facebook, listening to music and reading books ? but with a few critical limitations.
>>>>>>> Like the iPhone, the iPad won't handle Adobe Flash content. Flash is used by many websites to provide video, animated graphics, interactive content and, yes, those annoying ads.
>>>>>>> The growth in iPhone- and iPad-friendly websites is reducing our reliance on Flash ? as is the rise of new standards such as HTML5 ? but it will be years before Flash fades away. Meanwhile, you'll be disappointed with the iPad if you want to play Flash-based games on Facebook or watch Flash-based video such as the ABC's iView catch-up TV service. Many interesting interactive websites also rely on Flash or equivalent technologies, such as Microsoft Silverlight, forcing you to put down the iPad and go in search of a real computer.
>>>>>>> The iPad also falls short of a netbook in several other areas. There's no keyboard for typing long documents, no DVD drive for playing movies and music, no webcam for Skype video chats, no memory-card slot for copying photos from your digital camera and no USB ports for connecting other devices. If you're prepared to spend more money, Apple offers solutions for many of these issues. You can buy a wireless keyboard, a USB adaptor and a memory card adaptor. Of course, the iPad isn't as portable as a netbook if you need to carry around a bag full of adaptors and accessories.
>>>>>>> When it comes to connecting to the internet, the iPad is available in two versions. The Wi-Fi-only version lets the iPad connect to local wireless networks such as your home Wi-Fi network or a public Wi-Fi hotspot. The more expensive Wi-Fi/3G iPad also takes a SIM card so, like a smartphone, it can connect directly to a mobile broadband network. You can't use the SIM card out of your phone, as the iPad uses the micro-SIM format ? offering carriers the chance to lock in iPad customers for exorbitant mobile-data prices.
>>>>>>> You can't get around these networking limitations by connecting your iPad to a smartphone via Bluetooth or USB, as Apple blocks the ability to "tether" to other devices in order to share internet access. It's the price you pay for living under Apple's benevolent dictatorship.
>>>>>>> Talking about using the iPad on the go, it's worth noting that the trade-off for the iPad's exquisite display is terrible screen glare. Even on an overcast day you'll be staring at your reflection if you use the iPad outside, plus you'll see every little smudge and fingerprint on the screen. On a bright day the screen is all but unusable in direct sunlight.
>>>>>>> So what are its redeeming features? Its key strength is usability and its place is probably on the coffee table or beside your bed.
>>>>>>> Flash limitations aside, the iPad is a great device for casual computing. Forget about viruses, crashes and constant software updates ? the iPad is one of those rare products that "just works". If your only computer is locked away in the study at the cold end of the house, the iPad would be a handy device to have lying around. Want to check your email or read the paper online? Settle an argument using Google or the Internet Movie Database? Play games? Show off your digital photos? All simple tasks when the iPad is at hand.
>>>>>>> On the flip side, if you already have a house full of computers, with a notebook or netbook always within reach, then the iPad might seem like a redundant extravagance.
>>>>>>> Think of buying an iPad as buying a Vespa motor scooter when you already own a Ford Territory for driving to work and a Malvern Star for riding to the park. I've had an iPad for a month and, in my tech-savvy household, this wundergadget lies idle most of the time.
>>>>>>> When we do call upon the iPad, I soon come up against one of its limitations and go in search of a notebook.
>>>>>>> Now we've cut to the heart of the matter ? what is an iPad good for?
>>>>>>> If you already own a swag of gadgets, perhaps think of the iPad as an eBook and newspaper reader. More than one Australian publisher is preparing to unveil an iPad application. Apple has also opened an iBookstore section of the iTunes Store, which looks set to do for books what the iPod did for music. Access to the bookstore is restricted to US customers at this stage, although a quick Google search would inform any curious local how to set up a US iTunes account from Australia. You can also read Kindle eBooks on the iPad. Some people might find it easy to justify the expense of an iPad, such as photographers wanting to show off their photos or students who usually carry textbooks.
>>>>>>> About now it's time to turn our attention to Apple's secret weapon ? the iTunes Store. Access to the iTunes Store, to download music, movies, podcasts, games and productivity apps, gives the iPhone the advantage over competing smartphones. The iPad offers the same flexibility, with almost all the iPhone apps working on the iPad.
>>>>>>> Your "killer app" for the iPad could be Twittering in front of the television, reading the paper on the way to work, playing games while you wait for the bus or reading books in bed.
>>>>>>> Perhaps it could be checking the footy score from the backyard, checking the weather forecast from the lounge room, reading your email on the balcony or looking up recipes in the kitchen.
>>>>>>> If you buy an iPad you'll probably love it, as long as you appreciate its limitations and don't expect it to be a notebook or netbook replacement. Big is certainly beautiful but Apple's eye-catching iPad isn't designed to be your one true love.
>>>>>>> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 13 18:57:23 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 18:57:23 +0100
Subject: Adobe's Official Position
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Hi Travis

It's sad that these companies can't work together.  I agree about Adobe's flash, totally.  But to be honest, I think PDF is the weakest area of OSX\s document support.

It's shameful that despite all the advances in accessibility Apple has made, they still don't give us accessible PDF.  Accessible is much more than just being able to open preview and read a document, before anybody jumps.

Actually, I think that Preview is a bit of a joke, to tell you the truth.

It's primitive, in comparison to what's available for Windows, whatever the other Mac support is like.  Preview needs a rewrite, at least from an accessibility perspective.

Gordon

On 13 May 2010, at 16:13, Travis Siegel wrote:

Yeah, apple does tend to be extremely tightfisted with their information when it comes to offering information that will help others build things that would infringe on their proprietary apis.
I've been flatly refused information that would allow me to build drivers for braille devices that apple doesn't currently support, and I don't expect the circumstances to change anytime soon.
It's really a shame apple takes this stance, and I'm kind of disappointed that this is the outcome, but as far as adobe goes, while I sympathize with their pdf products, there's no excuse for the horrible performance flash enjoys on the macs, any decent code hacker could produce a version of flash that runs cleaner and uses less system resources, and why adobe has not given this any attention is quite the mystery, but to each their own I guess.


From moriond at mac.com  Thu May 13 19:15:42 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 08:15:42 -1000
Subject: Saving complex Text
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Hi Martin,

There's another way you can get these contents, even if VO doesn't  
read the complete string at one go.  Use System Preferences to go to  
your Keyboard menu and find the Services Section of the Keyboard  
Shortcuts Tab.  There should be a selection of services you can assign  
to a keyboard shortcut.  If you look under the TextEdit service menu  
shortcut for "New window containing selection", you can assign this to  
shortcut.  Then, when you're in the text area of disk utility, use  
Command-A to select all followed by the shortcut to send your  
selection to a TextEdit window.  VO-Shift-C to copy the last phrase to  
the pasteboard is great, but sometimes you need lots more things  
copied over.

By the way, I used to use this services menu shortcut for sending  
selections to a new TextEdit window on inaccessible web pages when we  
had this annoying bug where you'd have to reload a web page before the  
contents would be exposed to VoiceOver. Command-A and the shortcut for  
the Services TextEdit menu entry for "New window containing selection"  
would send everything over to TextEdit.  Interestingly, if you had  
TextEdit set up to use Rich Text Format instead of Plain Text as a  
default, you could click on sections and have the scripted sections  
run.  (This need to refresh a page in order to have VoiceOver read was  
particularly annoying on check out pages for purchases -- where you  
didn't want to refresh in case you ended up purchasing something  
twice.)  I also use this for foreign language web pages where I want  
to work with non-Roman printing characters or with formulae, since  
TextEdit is best at handling these non-standard characters with  
VoiceOver.  Of course, you don't have to select everything to be sent  
to a TextEdit window, but Command-A is such a handy shortcut <smile>.

HTH

Cheers,

Esther

Martin McCormick wrote:

> Anne Robertson writes:
>> If you can get VO to read the string at one go, you can use the  
>> command
>> VO-Shift-C to save it to the clipboard (Save last spoken Phrase to
>> Clipboard).
>
> 	Thank you very much. I tried that but against the whole
> window.  This time, I "interact"ed with the text in the window.
> You find yourself at the bottom on a blank line which is why it
> didn't work the first time. The Up arrow takes you up line by
> line until one gets to the correct line and then, voila, I hit
> VO-Shift-c and got it. Not that this matters, but here is what I
> saved and you will perfectly understand why this is like finding
> gold.
>
> 	Universal Unique Identifier : 	16E6FE1C-BAA5-352F-B880-DB804C8F39E1
>
>
> 	I am so glad I didn't have to try to remember that plus
> the case although all the letters seem to be upper case.
>
> Again thanks a million.
>
> Martin McCormick


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 13 19:25:28 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:25:28 +0100
Subject: Adobe's Official Position
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Hi Travis

Afdobe directly have told me that Apple has refused to provide the API to allow them to expose their PDF documents to VoiceOver.  So I don't think it's quite as simplistic as that.

I have a hunch that this something to do with the friction which now exists between the two respective corporations.

On 13 May 2010, at 16:36, Travis Siegel wrote:

One thing to add to this thread though.
Apple is quite willing to assist folks who are trying to make their products accessible to voiceover.
There are mailing lists (which apple actively participates in) where folks can ask specific questions, and get exact answers to their problems regarding accessibility.
One of the companies who have been actively soliciting advice on these mailing lists is the folks who make firefox, and as a result, (as pointed out a few months ago on this very list)
firefox is getting better in it's usage by vo users.
I see no reason why adobe couldn't do the same and/or buy an adc select membership, whereupon they'd get support tickets they could cash in for support assistance as regards programming issues thereby solving their issues with adobe products and voiceover.
There are avenues apple provides for these kinds of things, it sounds to me like adobe wishes to shortcut these processes in an effort to prevent public knowledge of products leaking out.
While that may be a valid concern, I can't really see why adobe hasn't taken advantage of *any* of the numerous avenues apple provides for obtaining information to make products accessible, starting with the excellent human interface documentation which all developers are encouraged to read by apple to make their apps vo accessible.
I have no doubt adobe could do worlds of good towards vo compatibility if they were to implement the items enumerated in these pubically accessible documents, and make an attempt to build a vo compatible application.
If that were done first, I'm confident that apple would then step up and provide any missing information to push the adobe projects the last extra bit required to make them completely usable.
At first firefox claimed the same thing, that apple wouldn't assist them, but then it was discovered that they implemented a 100 percent custom interface, and were not using the apis apple had built-in to the os to help access.  Once they began making the attempt to make firefox work with said apis, and began asking questions on appropriate forums, (well, you can see the results) I imagine adobe would experience similar results.
But, it's a result of big company going against big company, and the dynamics of such that prevent a lot of the low-level things from getting done, so as a result, a lot of fingerpointing goes on, and nothing gets resolved.
There's no reason adobe couldn't start the process of making things work, then ask apple for assistance in completing the work.
To say nothing will change with the updated versions says to me that adobe isn't making the initial steps that would encourage assistance, and so thereby aren't getting any assistance.

Apple has published clear guidelines on what neds done to make apps work, comapnies can't expect apple to solve their problems for them when they won't follow the guidelines that are already in existence.
Of course, apple isn't the greatest with offering help either, and perhaps that needs to change, it's the combination of these items that has made such a fubar of the whole mess, and I suspect it won't change, because neither company is going to be the first to stand up and say ok, we'll do it your way.


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 13 19:32:27 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:32:27 +0100
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
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hi John

To me, the fact that there are more accessories, suych as the keyboard dock, and other things for the iPad makes the difference.  The MacBook range is great, and I wouldn't part with my MacBooks for anything.  But the iPad will fill  a gap for us.


On 13 May 2010, at 18:40, John Panarese wrote:

Hi Gordon,
    This also really swayed me to go out an buy one.  I originally had not planned to do so because I own a Mac Book Pro and an iPhone.  However, as I have read more and more and am understanding the potential of the device, especially through third party developers, I changed my mind.  I simply can see several productive uses for an iPad in my every day life, and, thus, I ordered the 3g/WIFI model as well.


From jpanarese at mac-access.net  Thu May 13 19:39:03 2010
From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 14:39:03 -0400
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
In-Reply-To: <BFDBCA6D-0A45-458B-8D60-F31BF447D7D8@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Hi Gordon,
    Yes, and there will be additional accessories as well.  As I said, the potential of this device is amazing.  Really, Apple has, in a sense, provided the clay mold for something to build off of.  Consider the fact that versions 2, 3, etc, will only get better, as the iPhone has, well, it's really even better for the future.  You just gotta love technology, especially as Apple has made the mainstream and accessibility meet for a change.  As Travis indicated, this is something that we never have seen in the past.

Take Care
John Panarese

On May 13, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> hi John
> 
> To me, the fact that there are more accessories, suych as the keyboard dock, and other things for the iPad makes the difference.  The MacBook range is great, and I wouldn't part with my MacBooks for anything.  But the iPad will fill  a gap for us.
> 
> 
> On 13 May 2010, at 18:40, John Panarese wrote:
> 
> Hi Gordon,
>    This also really swayed me to go out an buy one.  I originally had not planned to do so because I own a Mac Book Pro and an iPhone.  However, as I have read more and more and am understanding the potential of the device, especially through third party developers, I changed my mind.  I simply can see several productive uses for an iPad in my every day life, and, thus, I ordered the 3g/WIFI model as well.
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 13 19:45:06 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:45:06 +0100
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
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Hi John

You've just hit on my other half's main concern actually.  What happens if we buy the stuff and then , 6 months down the track, find it's obsolete?

Me, I'm just excited about it to be honest and I'm off now to go and break with my usual tradition and find some ... dare I say it ... user guides.


On 13 May 2010, at 19:39, John Panarese wrote:

Hi Gordon,
   Yes, and there will be additional accessories as well.  As I said, the potential of this device is amazing.  Really, Apple has, in a sense, provided the clay mold for something to build off of.  Consider the fact that versions 2, 3, etc, will only get better, as the iPhone has, well, it's really even better for the future.  You just gotta love technology, especially as Apple has made the mainstream and accessibility meet for a change.  As Travis indicated, this is something that we never have seen in the past.

Take Care
John Panarese

On May 13, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> hi John
> 
> To me, the fact that there are more accessories, suych as the keyboard dock, and other things for the iPad makes the difference.  The MacBook range is great, and I wouldn't part with my MacBooks for anything.  But the iPad will fill  a gap for us.
> 
> 
> On 13 May 2010, at 18:40, John Panarese wrote:
> 
> Hi Gordon,
>   This also really swayed me to go out an buy one.  I originally had not planned to do so because I own a Mac Book Pro and an iPhone.  However, as I have read more and more and am understanding the potential of the device, especially through third party developers, I changed my mind.  I simply can see several productive uses for an iPad in my every day life, and, thus, I ordered the 3g/WIFI model as well.
> 
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From support at mac-access.net  Thu May 13 19:47:41 2010
From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 19:47:41 +0100
Subject: New Member Welcome
Message-ID: <A8A98536-28EE-423A-9891-71C4AB721442@mac-access.net>

Hi all

I'm not sure how this one slipped passed us, but neither of us saw the notification.

But all the same, welcome Christy to the group.  Normally, Lynne and I, (usually Lynne), like to welcome new members personally to the group.  And you should be no exception.

Feel free to post your questions and comments on the list, anything Apple.

Gordon



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May 13 19:49:42 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 04:49:42 +1000
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
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And i'll be very interested to hear what that gap will be when you get it, I'm not against Ipads by any manner of means having decided to buy one myself later on this year but as I said in a previous post where I asked the question, what's an Ipad going to give you that you don't already have apart from 3G mobile access which you could get with your Macbook Pro if you plugged a 3G modem into one of the USB ports, Tethered your Macbook Pro to your Iphone and so on, its all "Horses for Courses".

As to accessaries? Well I'm careful not to compare apples to oranges in the form of Ipad and Netbook computers but many of the accessaries you can buy for the Ipad such as the keyboard and the camera connectivity kit I think Apple calls it - the various things which allow the Ipad to connect to USB devices - can also be purchased for Netbooks, in fact Netbooks as far as I know do boast USB connectivity so no big deal there <smile>.


On 14/05/2010, at 4:32 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> hi John
> 
> To me, the fact that there are more accessories, suych as the keyboard dock, and other things for the iPad makes the difference.  The MacBook range is great, and I wouldn't part with my MacBooks for anything.  But the iPad will fill  a gap for us.
> 
> 
> On 13 May 2010, at 18:40, John Panarese wrote:
> 
> Hi Gordon,
>    This also really swayed me to go out an buy one.  I originally had not planned to do so because I own a Mac Book Pro and an iPhone.  However, as I have read more and more and am understanding the potential of the device, especially through third party developers, I changed my mind.  I simply can see several productive uses for an iPad in my every day life, and, thus, I ordered the 3g/WIFI model as well.
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May 13 19:51:17 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 04:51:17 +1000
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
In-Reply-To: <CDED0D71-565B-4029-90C0-FA3B65656D59@mac-access.net>
References: <F1F4CFAB-8BE3-4EDA-94AE-505FEBABEB2F@internode.on.net>
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Yes I agree! and as I stated in a Podcast where I reviewed an app for the Iphone, in 20 years we'll be looking at Iphones as being devices which shaped the computing future whatever that brings us in 20 years time!


On 14/05/2010, at 4:39 AM, John Panarese wrote:

> Hi Gordon,
>    Yes, and there will be additional accessories as well.  As I said, the potential of this device is amazing.  Really, Apple has, in a sense, provided the clay mold for something to build off of.  Consider the fact that versions 2, 3, etc, will only get better, as the iPhone has, well, it's really even better for the future.  You just gotta love technology, especially as Apple has made the mainstream and accessibility meet for a change.  As Travis indicated, this is something that we never have seen in the past.
> 
> Take Care
> John Panarese
> 
> On May 13, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> hi John
>> 
>> To me, the fact that there are more accessories, suych as the keyboard dock, and other things for the iPad makes the difference.  The MacBook range is great, and I wouldn't part with my MacBooks for anything.  But the iPad will fill  a gap for us.
>> 
>> 
>> On 13 May 2010, at 18:40, John Panarese wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Gordon,
>>   This also really swayed me to go out an buy one.  I originally had not planned to do so because I own a Mac Book Pro and an iPhone.  However, as I have read more and more and am understanding the potential of the device, especially through third party developers, I changed my mind.  I simply can see several productive uses for an iPad in my every day life, and, thus, I ordered the 3g/WIFI model as well.
>> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May 13 19:54:46 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 04:54:46 +1000
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
In-Reply-To: <8624E6ED-218C-44B9-9920-7E572669609E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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That's always the way but if you buy a quality product -as undoubtedly the Apple Ipad is - then you won't be all that disappointed if the product becomes obscelete quickly.

I have a 21 year old CD player which is probably worth absolutely nothing however it is a quality product and speaks for itself very nicely thanks! when put through a good amp and speakers.

I know people who still use Apple Ibook computers, no! they don't run Snow Leopard but they work quite well under Leopard and the user I know can do every task she requires on the machine, not bad! given that she paid about a fifth of what the machine was worth originally <smile>, worth absolutely nothing now but to her its a treasure because it does the job, was designed well and again! a quality product.


On 14/05/2010, at 4:45 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi John
> 
> You've just hit on my other half's main concern actually.  What happens if we buy the stuff and then , 6 months down the track, find it's obsolete?
> 
> Me, I'm just excited about it to be honest and I'm off now to go and break with my usual tradition and find some ... dare I say it ... user guides.
> 
> 
> On 13 May 2010, at 19:39, John Panarese wrote:
> 
> Hi Gordon,
>   Yes, and there will be additional accessories as well.  As I said, the potential of this device is amazing.  Really, Apple has, in a sense, provided the clay mold for something to build off of.  Consider the fact that versions 2, 3, etc, will only get better, as the iPhone has, well, it's really even better for the future.  You just gotta love technology, especially as Apple has made the mainstream and accessibility meet for a change.  As Travis indicated, this is something that we never have seen in the past.
> 
> Take Care
> John Panarese
> 
> On May 13, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> hi John
>> 
>> To me, the fact that there are more accessories, suych as the keyboard dock, and other things for the iPad makes the difference.  The MacBook range is great, and I wouldn't part with my MacBooks for anything.  But the iPad will fill  a gap for us.
>> 
>> 
>> On 13 May 2010, at 18:40, John Panarese wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Gordon,
>>  This also really swayed me to go out an buy one.  I originally had not planned to do so because I own a Mac Book Pro and an iPhone.  However, as I have read more and more and am understanding the potential of the device, especially through third party developers, I changed my mind.  I simply can see several productive uses for an iPad in my every day life, and, thus, I ordered the 3g/WIFI model as well.
>> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 13 20:00:26 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 20:00:26 +0100
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
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I've already answered that question Dane, portability as well as mobile access.

Lynne's iPhone is dead, so we needed a replacement.  The iPad offers us the access without having to lug a MacBook around when we\re out.  TYhe keyboard dock will be nice, but not full time.

As for teathering, no, that isn't an option and I'll explain to you why.

The data plan we currently have with our iPhone doesn't permit it.  It costs extra.  Therefore, there was no point repeating that purchase for that purpose.  And it would be more costly for uys to go your suggested route, buy another MacBook and then modems and this, that and the othert.  No, the iPad offers the best deal.

I'm not interested in netbooks.  I don't doubt they have their place for some.  But not for us.  We have made a conscious decision to stick with one system, and that is Apple's.

As part of my job, (which is going to be expanded shortly, all being well), I will require mobile communications as a must-have.  Ergo, it makes sense to go this route.


On 13 May 2010, at 19:49, Dane Trethowan wrote:

And i'll be very interested to hear what that gap will be when you get it, I'm not against Ipads by any manner of means having decided to buy one myself later on this year but as I said in a previous post where I asked the question, what's an Ipad going to give you that you don't already have apart from 3G mobile access which you could get with your Macbook Pro if you plugged a 3G modem into one of the USB ports, Tethered your Macbook Pro to your Iphone and so on, its all "Horses for Courses".

As to accessaries? Well I'm careful not to compare apples to oranges in the form of Ipad and Netbook computers but many of the accessaries you can buy for the Ipad such as the keyboard and the camera connectivity kit I think Apple calls it - the various things which allow the Ipad to connect to USB devices - can also be purchased for Netbooks, in fact Netbooks as far as I know do boast USB connectivity so no big deal there <smile>.


On 14/05/2010, at 4:32 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> hi John
> 
> To me, the fact that there are more accessories, suych as the keyboard dock, and other things for the iPad makes the difference.  The MacBook range is great, and I wouldn't part with my MacBooks for anything.  But the iPad will fill  a gap for us.
> 
> 
> On 13 May 2010, at 18:40, John Panarese wrote:
> 
> Hi Gordon,
>   This also really swayed me to go out an buy one.  I originally had not planned to do so because I own a Mac Book Pro and an iPhone.  However, as I have read more and more and am understanding the potential of the device, especially through third party developers, I changed my mind.  I simply can see several productive uses for an iPad in my every day life, and, thus, I ordered the 3g/WIFI model as well.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 13 20:04:36 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 20:04:36 +0100
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
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Multitasking is y only gripe about the iPhone/iPod/iPad.  It will happen in the next hardware revision I'm sure.  Therefore, all our current devices will be lego blocks.

On 13 May 2010, at 19:54, Dane Trethowan wrote:

That's always the way but if you buy a quality product -as undoubtedly the Apple Ipad is - then you won't be all that disappointed if the product becomes obscelete quickly.


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May 13 20:09:57 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 05:09:57 +1000
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
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Okay so given all that and the fact that you're going to purchase extra accessaries for an Ipad, you'll need a bag or some sort of cary case to store them in so wouldn't that amount to roughly the same baggage as a Macbook?


On 14/05/2010, at 5:00 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> I've already answered that question Dane, portability as well as mobile access.
> 
> Lynne's iPhone is dead, so we needed a replacement.  The iPad offers us the access without having to lug a MacBook around when we\re out.  TYhe keyboard dock will be nice, but not full time.
> 
> As for teathering, no, that isn't an option and I'll explain to you why.
> 
> The data plan we currently have with our iPhone doesn't permit it.  It costs extra.  Therefore, there was no point repeating that purchase for that purpose.  And it would be more costly for uys to go your suggested route, buy another MacBook and then modems and this, that and the othert.  No, the iPad offers the best deal.
> 
> I'm not interested in netbooks.  I don't doubt they have their place for some.  But not for us.  We have made a conscious decision to stick with one system, and that is Apple's.
> 
> As part of my job, (which is going to be expanded shortly, all being well), I will require mobile communications as a must-have.  Ergo, it makes sense to go this route.
> 
> 
> On 13 May 2010, at 19:49, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> And i'll be very interested to hear what that gap will be when you get it, I'm not against Ipads by any manner of means having decided to buy one myself later on this year but as I said in a previous post where I asked the question, what's an Ipad going to give you that you don't already have apart from 3G mobile access which you could get with your Macbook Pro if you plugged a 3G modem into one of the USB ports, Tethered your Macbook Pro to your Iphone and so on, its all "Horses for Courses".
> 
> As to accessaries? Well I'm careful not to compare apples to oranges in the form of Ipad and Netbook computers but many of the accessaries you can buy for the Ipad such as the keyboard and the camera connectivity kit I think Apple calls it - the various things which allow the Ipad to connect to USB devices - can also be purchased for Netbooks, in fact Netbooks as far as I know do boast USB connectivity so no big deal there <smile>.
> 
> 
> On 14/05/2010, at 4:32 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> hi John
>> 
>> To me, the fact that there are more accessories, suych as the keyboard dock, and other things for the iPad makes the difference.  The MacBook range is great, and I wouldn't part with my MacBooks for anything.  But the iPad will fill  a gap for us.
>> 
>> 
>> On 13 May 2010, at 18:40, John Panarese wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Gordon,
>>  This also really swayed me to go out an buy one.  I originally had not planned to do so because I own a Mac Book Pro and an iPhone.  However, as I have read more and more and am understanding the potential of the device, especially through third party developers, I changed my mind.  I simply can see several productive uses for an iPad in my every day life, and, thus, I ordered the 3g/WIFI model as well.
>> 
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From jpanarese at mac-access.net  Thu May 13 20:18:02 2010
From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 15:18:02 -0400
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
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Hi Gordon,
     Unfortunately, it is the risk we take.  We know there will be a new iPad next year, just as I knew the iPhone 4 would be coming out in June of 2010 when I bought my GS last June.  Technology moves fast.  I have already accepted my iPad will be outdated next year.

    As a side note, OS 4 will enable multi tasking on the iPhone and iPad.

Take Care
John Panarese

On May 13, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi John
> 
> You've just hit on my other half's main concern actually.  What happens if we buy the stuff and then , 6 months down the track, find it's obsolete?
> 
> Me, I'm just excited about it to be honest and I'm off now to go and break with my usual tradition and find some ... dare I say it ... user guides.
> 
> 
> On 13 May 2010, at 19:39, John Panarese wrote:
> 
> Hi Gordon,
>   Yes, and there will be additional accessories as well.  As I said, the potential of this device is amazing.  Really, Apple has, in a sense, provided the clay mold for something to build off of.  Consider the fact that versions 2, 3, etc, will only get better, as the iPhone has, well, it's really even better for the future.  You just gotta love technology, especially as Apple has made the mainstream and accessibility meet for a change.  As Travis indicated, this is something that we never have seen in the past.
> 
> Take Care
> John Panarese
> 
> On May 13, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> hi John
>> 
>> To me, the fact that there are more accessories, suych as the keyboard dock, and other things for the iPad makes the difference.  The MacBook range is great, and I wouldn't part with my MacBooks for anything.  But the iPad will fill  a gap for us.
>> 
>> 
>> On 13 May 2010, at 18:40, John Panarese wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Gordon,
>>  This also really swayed me to go out an buy one.  I originally had not planned to do so because I own a Mac Book Pro and an iPhone.  However, as I have read more and more and am understanding the potential of the device, especially through third party developers, I changed my mind.  I simply can see several productive uses for an iPad in my every day life, and, thus, I ordered the 3g/WIFI model as well.
>> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May 13 20:34:15 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 05:34:15 +1000
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
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I bought my Iphone on a 2 year contract so it suits me fine! Yep I bought in the knowledge that a new model would come in June of this year - as did John - so if I get 2 years out of what I have then I'll be extremely happy! and I'll get whatever's on offer after that 2 years or I may decide to keep what I have, again a risk we take <smile>.

I know one person who refuses to buy anything much because he's worried about losing too much money on "his investment", well you can live that way but if you do then you may as well go back to the Comodore 64 computer, the Apple 2/E computer, the DOS operating system and so on.


On 14/05/2010, at 5:18 AM, John Panarese wrote:

> Hi Gordon,
>     Unfortunately, it is the risk we take.  We know there will be a new iPad next year, just as I knew the iPhone 4 would be coming out in June of 2010 when I bought my GS last June.  Technology moves fast.  I have already accepted my iPad will be outdated next year.
> 
>    As a side note, OS 4 will enable multi tasking on the iPhone and iPad.
> 
> Take Care
> John Panarese
> 
> On May 13, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi John
>> 
>> You've just hit on my other half's main concern actually.  What happens if we buy the stuff and then , 6 months down the track, find it's obsolete?
>> 
>> Me, I'm just excited about it to be honest and I'm off now to go and break with my usual tradition and find some ... dare I say it ... user guides.
>> 
>> 
>> On 13 May 2010, at 19:39, John Panarese wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Gordon,
>>  Yes, and there will be additional accessories as well.  As I said, the potential of this device is amazing.  Really, Apple has, in a sense, provided the clay mold for something to build off of.  Consider the fact that versions 2, 3, etc, will only get better, as the iPhone has, well, it's really even better for the future.  You just gotta love technology, especially as Apple has made the mainstream and accessibility meet for a change.  As Travis indicated, this is something that we never have seen in the past.
>> 
>> Take Care
>> John Panarese
>> 
>> On May 13, 2010, at 2:32 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> hi John
>>> 
>>> To me, the fact that there are more accessories, suych as the keyboard dock, and other things for the iPad makes the difference.  The MacBook range is great, and I wouldn't part with my MacBooks for anything.  But the iPad will fill  a gap for us.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 13 May 2010, at 18:40, John Panarese wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Gordon,
>>> This also really swayed me to go out an buy one.  I originally had not planned to do so because I own a Mac Book Pro and an iPhone.  However, as I have read more and more and am understanding the potential of the device, especially through third party developers, I changed my mind.  I simply can see several productive uses for an iPad in my every day life, and, thus, I ordered the 3g/WIFI model as well.
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
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>>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
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From moriond at mac.com  Thu May 13 20:40:45 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 09:40:45 -1000
Subject: iPad gets even better
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Hi Gordon,

In response to Dane's query

> Okay I have one question, given that you've ordered all that,  
> wouldn't you be just as well off buying a new Macbook?
You wrote:
> No.  The MacBook doesn't offer 3g, isn't pocketable, and we already  
> have 2 of them. <smile>.

The iPad isn't really "pocketable", although there's a company named  
ScottEVest (actually, spelled with all caps), that makes travel vests  
and jackets, including some that are designed to hold the iPad.   
They're known for making jackets and vests with pockets that allow you  
to carry all sorts of things on your person when you travel, both to  
get around the restrictions on personal carryon luggage for airplanes  
and to make it possible to locate all the myriad items you travel with  
in your pockets.  Here's a link to the Engadget article that appeared  
days after the iPad went on sale:
? "ScottEVest  debuts 'iPad compatible' clothing line, the world  
cringes"
<http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/05/scottevest-debuts-ipad-compatible-clothing-line-the-world-cri/ 
 >
And here's the company's web page for the ScottEVest for iPad:
<http://www.scottevest.com/company/ipad.shtml>
I think you need to be at least a certain size before you can wear the  
iPad in your pocket <smile>.

According to the GearLog web page, the iPad Keyboard Dock is  
compatible with the iPhone and iPod Touch under OS 4.0 -- it already  
works with these models if they're running the developer's build -- so  
you will be able to dock your iPhone or iPod Touch and use the  
Keyboard Dock to type extended text.  I'll paste in the text from
the article, "iPhone OS 4 Compatible with iPad Keyboard Dock":
<http://www.gearlog.com/2010/04/iphone_os_4_compatible_with_ip.php>
<begin excerpt>
Steve Jobs was holding out on us. During his iPhone OS 4 announcement  
on Thursday, Jobs mentioned that OS 4 would work with Bluetooth  
keyboards, but he didn't mention one very cool related feature: Your  
iPhone will be able to work with the iPad Keyboard Dock. We were able  
to get our hands on iPhone OS 4, which is currently available only to  
developers, and we popped our tester iPhone 3GS into the dock. It  
worked smoothly and made document and e-mail typing a heck of a lot  
faster. iPhones running OS 3.1.2 or earlier did not work with the  
keyboard dock in our tests.

On the surface, this may seem like a small feature. But with the  
iPhone becoming more of a PC in your pocket with every new version, a  
physical keyboard dock could help increase your productivity and make  
the iPhone a more attractive device for those who don't like touch  
keyboards. And it brings us one step closer to replacing our personal  
PCs with smartphones.

<end excerpt>

Although you still need to touch the device screen to navigate, the  
Mac movement and selection command combinations with the Command,  
Option, Shift, and arrow keys can be used within text documents.   
These functions also work with the BlueTooth Keyboard, which is  
probably a better choice for light-weight traveling, but which doesn't  
have the dockable stand and charging function.  The media keys to  
reverse, play/pause, and fast forward (F7, F8, and F9), and to mute,  
lower, or raise volume (F10, F11, and F12) work like the regular Mac  
keyboards.  And you can use this switched to other language input  
keyboards.  This would be great for foreign languages, used together  
with the language rotor to switch speech for foreign languages.

I should mention that there's a problem with finding the language  
rotor under Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver as  
described in the iPad User Guide.  Every iPad in the Apple Store seems  
to have the language rotor setting listed at the end of the VoiceOver  
screen (after the entries for "Typing Feedback", "Use Phonetics", and  
"Use Pitch Change").  Setting this is great: you can check the  
languages you want VoiceOver to speak, and then on a web page or for a  
document that you're reading, you can just change voices/languages on  
the fly with the language rotor.  The problem is that no one who has  
activated their iPad in the default manner from iTunes seems to see  
the language rotor, despite running the same version of the software.   
There are outstanding queries out to Apple on this issue.

Incidentally, I assume people know that a number of USB devices are  
found to work on the iPad off the USB connector of the Camera Kit,  
following Glenn Fleishman's report on TidBITs, and the TUAW article,  
"Dear Aunt TUAW: Can I use a USB keyboard or headset with my iPad?"  
Immediately after, I was reading articles like AppleTell's "How to  
record CD quality audio with your iPad' describing using Blue's new  
Yeti microphone (a device that weighs twice as much as an iPad and  
that stands larger than an open MacBook -- definitely not for the  
portable market) and the free Blue FiRe app.  (Incidentally, this got  
lost in all the server and archive rebuilds, but back before Christmas  
there was a dialog between Scott and Dane about whether you could do  
high quality stereo recording on the iPhone, and it turns out that  
Scott got the more portable new recorder from Blue Microphones -- the  
Mikey 2.)

I don't think the iPad is poised quite as either a netbook replacement  
or a large iPod Touch.  If you think of it that way, you may well be  
disappointed. There was a nice Tech Doctors podcast that Robert Carter  
and Jenny Axler made, "Does Size Matter: iPad Versus iPod", that had  
Robert on his iPhone and Jenny on her iPad doing comparisons of the  
way things worked.  You can find it at:
http://www.dr-carter.com/

In many ways, using the smaller form factor of the iPod Touch or  
iPhone is more convenient, especially for the economy of gestures in a  
small, standard layout screen.  I also think that people don't  
appreciate enough the fact that this is a first generation device in  
the way that the iPhone 3GS was not -- even if it were not so, the  
apps haven't caught up yet with taking advantage of the new  
capabilities.

Just my thoughts.

Cheers,

Esther



From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 14 04:46:54 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 04:46:54 +0100
Subject: Review: Apple Ipad
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Hello Dane

On 13 May 2010, at 20:09, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Okay so given all that and the fact that you're going to purchase extra accessaries for an Ipad, you'll need a bag or some sort of cary case to store them in so wouldn't that amount to roughly the same baggage as a Macbook?

Did Gordon say we would be carrying the keyboard everywhere? I don't remember hearing anybody suggest that.

He will use the keyboard when convenient and the touch screen with VoiceOver when not so convenient. Simple and strait forward as that.

Alright; so you don't want to go that route. Fine, nobody's forcing you.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 14 04:53:26 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 04:53:26 +0100
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	<DBB53B25-2A4D-4598-805F-E0BE2B2C9812@mac-access.net>
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Hello John

On 13 May 2010, at 20:18, John Panarese wrote:

? Unfortunately, it is the risk we take.  We know there will be a new iPad next year, just as I knew the iPhone 4 would be coming out in June of 2010 when I bought my GS last June.  Technology moves fast.  I have already accepted my iPad will be outdated next year.

OK, just to put this to rights. This message, while written by Gordon, was just reflecting a point that I made in a conversation off-the-cuff yesterday. I agree with you; technology does indeed move fast.

? As a side note, OS 4 will enable multi tasking on the iPhone and iPad.

I'm not in a position to comment on that front. But from what I've read, it won't be true multitasking because of the restrictions of the processor and other hardware. Although I am not going to argue that point because I wouldn't have a clue where to start.

But I think that, since Gordon didn't, I'd better fill this gap by adding his half of the conversation which we had on this subject. He replied something like "Yes; but if we all just sat and waited for the newer models when something new came out, nobody would ever buy anything and technology would never move at all."

Fair point; I'm just keen to get something that will last, which was the only point I was making.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 14 05:04:51 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 05:04:51 +0100
Subject: iPad gets even better
In-Reply-To: <35FC855F-39BA-4F9B-B44B-9786963531C3@mac.com>
References: <E4FB62E0-BD65-4FD4-9575-1637DB88854C@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<F0089B55-067E-4BB0-9A6B-AC40493EEDF1@internode.on.net>
	<AD6C723E-87A3-48C8-8190-AB4380AD4351@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<35FC855F-39BA-4F9B-B44B-9786963531C3@mac.com>
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Hello Esther

On 13 May 2010, at 20:40, Esther wrote:

? The iPad isn't really "pocketable", although there's a company named ScottEVest (actually, spelled with all caps), that makes travel vests and jackets, including some that are designed to hold the iPad.  They're known for making jackets and vests with pockets that allow you to carry all sorts of things on your person when you travel, both to get around the restrictions on personal carryon luggage for airplanes and to make it possible to locate all the myriad items you travel with in your pockets.  Here's a link to the Engadget article that appeared days after the iPad went on sale:

Just to clarify here. Gordon's seen an iPad and no, Dane and yourself are correct that it's not going to fit in a trouser pocket or, in all probability, even in a jacket pocket.

But the point here being that it will allow for we'll call a degree more portability than would a MacBook and modem and so on would.

Granted, Dane's point about carrying the keyboard around is valid; we knew that. But for what we want, the iPad will do nicely.

I'm going to be having Gordon's iPhone which will replace mine. Mine is dead and isn't covered by the warranty because it was used in slightly non-conventional ways.

That is a chance we took, knowing full well what would ensue if it died. It did, so, as they say down South, (London way), it's a fair cop gov!

Thanks for the info. Hopefully though, these things might become available over here via the Apple Store or somewhere. That's what I'm hoping and it's why I didn't buy a case.

Lynne



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 14 07:04:47 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 07:04:47 +0100
Subject: Amadeus Pro Progress, but...
Message-ID: <B503E05F-CF1E-4CCB-AE96-5834F5C93358@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi

OK, I've just tried an edit with Amadeus Pro.  Here's what I did, and I think I'm doing this right but didn't quite get the results I expected.

1.  Highlighted the start of a section of audio I want to delete using the playback head.

2.  Move the insertion head to that point using Command+Y.

3.  Hit the letter M, (unmodified) to create a marker at that point.

4.  Move the play head to the end of the section of audio I want to delete.

5.  Move the insertion head to that point using Command+Y

6.  Place a marker at that point using the unmodified letter M.

7.  Use Command+Left-Arrow to extend the selection to the previous marker.

8.  Hit the backspace key to delete the highlighted audio.

That's not what happened though.  The entire audio between the marker and the start of the file was deleted.  Not what I intended.  I have to say though that this sequence of key presses and navigation seems an awfully slow way of doing something as simple as editing a chunk of audio.  Where is the advantage I wonder?

I can understand the point if, and it may be possible, you can create a lot of marked sections of audio to edit in one go.  In fact, if that weren't possible the entire exercise would be totally pointless ... so it must be possible.



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 14 07:34:18 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 07:34:18 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?MacScan_=BB_MacScan_anti-spyware_security_program?=
	=?iso-8859-1?Q?_removes_spyware_for_Macintosh_Mac_OS_X?=
Message-ID: <8FD42CC0-C485-4ED2-9517-90ED5B005493@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all.

For a while, I used a programme called ProtectMac on our systems because of our interaction with Windows-based machines used by others.


As of March 2010, however, I've been using MacScan, which blows ProtectMac out of the water.

If you're concerned about security on your Mac, particularly if you share seamless access using VMWare Fusion or Parallels Desktop, or even if you're using the latest version of Boot Camp, which now lets Windows see your HFS volumes as well as the FAT32/NTFS volumes which Windows uses, you might want to consider looking at this.

You can find the trial here:
http://macscan.securemac.com/



From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 14 08:28:39 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 08:28:39 +0100
Subject: Mac Scan & Protect Mac
Message-ID: <265E9E46-B5BF-4ECF-BB62-FA323BB94BA0@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

I just wanted to qualify what Gordon wrote a little while ago; because on this occasion, I don't think he explained himself too well.

MacScan and Protect Mac aren't exactly the same thing and, as I've just pointed out to Gordon, (and yes, before certain people start jumping), he's accepted his error), it's not really fair to compare the 2 things.

Protect Mac is actually a virus removal module and scanner that picks up worms and things. It fails in as much as it doesn't detect YTrojans, which is where MacScan comes in.

MacScan actually detects spyware, malicious cookies, tracking cookies and other such things which Protect Mac does not.

As Gordon has said, we've been using that since March and it's picked up a lot of potentially unsafe things when we've visited websites. But Protect Mac has been on our system as well, just disabled because it started creating problems by continually popping up annoying windows all over the place.

But I'm going to try enabling both, to see what happens. I'm not worried about Mac viruses, and I don't really want to reopen that debate. Our mail server scans for those routinely so we're pretty confident that we are protected there.

But spyware and stuff like that is always a concern to everybody I would have thought.

When Gordon says MacScan blows Protect Mac out of the water, in terms of what we need, it dows. But if you need virus scanning it's not the right tool.

I hope that clarifies things and avoids debate.

Lynne




From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri May 14 15:24:36 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 00:24:36 +1000
Subject: potentially interesting stuff on blind cool tech
Message-ID: <FD75720D-8DD9-4489-963E-FDAA0BF16614@internode.on.net>

Hi!

Gives me great pleasure once again to mention this excellent web site where you may find some stuff to interest you if you're considering an Ipad.

You'll find 2 episodes of a series on the Ipad there and I assume the author will be doing more.

Also an interesting review of a USB "Turbo Charger", charge it up before you leave home and connect it to your mobile whilst away to charge its battery, has a standard USB port so it should work with the cable supplied with an Iphone or Ipod which connects from a USB socket to the dock of the Iphone or Ipod.

There's also a podcast up there talking about Apps for the Ipod touch.

http://www.blindcooltech.com

You can subscribe to Blind Cool Tech by following the subscription link on the web page, if it doesn't work then copy it and Paste it into Itunes.

Cheers!



From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Fri May 14 17:25:24 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 17:25:24 +0100
Subject: Mac Scan & Protect Mac
In-Reply-To: <265E9E46-B5BF-4ECF-BB62-FA323BB94BA0@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <265E9E46-B5BF-4ECF-BB62-FA323BB94BA0@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5E81349F-1F32-465B-926A-C44260B192CB@gmail.com>

It does, thanks Lynne
TC
James 
On 14 May 2010, at 08:28, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> I just wanted to qualify what Gordon wrote a little while ago; because on this occasion, I don't think he explained himself too well.
> 
> MacScan and Protect Mac aren't exactly the same thing and, as I've just pointed out to Gordon, (and yes, before certain people start jumping), he's accepted his error), it's not really fair to compare the 2 things.
> 
> Protect Mac is actually a virus removal module and scanner that picks up worms and things. It fails in as much as it doesn't detect YTrojans, which is where MacScan comes in.
> 
> MacScan actually detects spyware, malicious cookies, tracking cookies and other such things which Protect Mac does not.
> 
> As Gordon has said, we've been using that since March and it's picked up a lot of potentially unsafe things when we've visited websites. But Protect Mac has been on our system as well, just disabled because it started creating problems by continually popping up annoying windows all over the place.
> 
> But I'm going to try enabling both, to see what happens. I'm not worried about Mac viruses, and I don't really want to reopen that debate. Our mail server scans for those routinely so we're pretty confident that we are protected there.
> 
> But spyware and stuff like that is always a concern to everybody I would have thought.
> 
> When Gordon says MacScan blows Protect Mac out of the water, in terms of what we need, it dows. But if you need virus scanning it's not the right tool.
> 
> I hope that clarifies things and avoids debate.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
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> 
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From tsiegel at softcon.us  Fri May 14 18:00:20 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 12:00:20 -0500
Subject: Adobe's Official Position
In-Reply-To: <59451C5F-6EFD-458E-A2FE-D03937EF399F@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <73469B90-6C83-4B8B-98AA-ED32F7477146@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<1696549F-C2A7-42BF-9135-5EF8E2204E00@softcon.us>
	<59451C5F-6EFD-458E-A2FE-D03937EF399F@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3186D095-256D-4AAB-AA49-16F853AA6847@softcon.us>


On May 13, 2010, at 1:25 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Travis
>
> Afdobe directly have told me that Apple has refused to provide the  
> API to allow them to expose their PDF documents to VoiceOver.  So I  
> don't think it's quite as simplistic as that.
>
> I have a hunch that this something to do with the friction which now  
> exists between the two respective corporations.

I'm thinking there's two issues here.
First, while it's possible there is an api for exposing pdf content to  
vo, there is various apis that are already available for exposing  
content to voiceover.
A lot of the apis are already used by other developers, and work just  
fine.
Adobe's insistance that they can't make adobe work, because of lack of  
a single api is a convinient excuse for not doing anything at all.
While it's certainly possible that there is content adobe can't make  
accessible (personally I'm not convinced of this) it's also true that  
adobe could work with what is available, to begin the process of  
making their apps usable by vo users.
No reason at all why adobe can't expose their interface (buttons,  
content, formatting and such) and then work with apple to get the  
remaining pieces exposed as necessary.
Claiming there's nothing they can do because apple won't give them  
access to a single api is like me claiming I can't use a web site,  
because voice over won't read the text imbeded into one of those  
graphical images.
It just plain isn't true, there's other methods of getting past those  
image verification things, and this story is no different.
Adobe wants to do things a certain way, and apple doesn't want it done  
that way, so instead of finding work-arounds/cooperating with each  
other, they sit there and bang their heads together and refuse to  
budge. (remember Dr. Seuss and the zax)
That's what we're seeing here.
Silly.


From david.mclean at cox.net  Fri May 14 20:25:28 2010
From: david.mclean at cox.net (David McLean)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:25:28 -0400
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_MacScan_=BB_MacScan_anti-spyware_security_pro?=
	=?iso-8859-1?Q?gram_removes_spyware_for_Macintosh_Mac_OS_X?=
In-Reply-To: <8FD42CC0-C485-4ED2-9517-90ED5B005493@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <8FD42CC0-C485-4ED2-9517-90ED5B005493@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7F94A0E0-B9A4-46B4-B068-6A6C094D5ABE@cox.net>

I downloaded and install the trial of Macscan but when I start the program all I get is "Macscan has no windows" and there seems to be no control of it possible.  Am I missing something?
On May 14, 2010, at 2:34 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> For a while, I used a programme called ProtectMac on our systems because of our interaction with Windows-based machines used by others.
> 
> 
> As of March 2010, however, I've been using MacScan, which blows ProtectMac out of the water.
> 
> If you're concerned about security on your Mac, particularly if you share seamless access using VMWare Fusion or Parallels Desktop, or even if you're using the latest version of Boot Camp, which now lets Windows see your HFS volumes as well as the FAT32/NTFS volumes which Windows uses, you might want to consider looking at this.
> 
> You can find the trial here:
> http://macscan.securemac.com/
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
> 
> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free!
> 
> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at:
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 14 20:33:45 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 20:33:45 +0100
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_MacScan_=BB_MacScan_anti-spyware_security_pro?=
	=?iso-8859-1?Q?gram_removes_spyware_for_Macintosh_Mac_OS_X?=
In-Reply-To: <7F94A0E0-B9A4-46B4-B068-6A6C094D5ABE@cox.net>
References: <8FD42CC0-C485-4ED2-9517-90ED5B005493@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<7F94A0E0-B9A4-46B4-B068-6A6C094D5ABE@cox.net>
Message-ID: <059269DD-D9B3-4204-9FB1-673C22113B66@tft-bbs.co.uk>

When you get that, press the enter key.

Lynne

On 14 May 2010, at 20:25, David McLean wrote:

I downloaded and install the trial of Macscan but when I start the program all I get is "Macscan has no windows" and there seems to be no control of it possible.  Am I missing something?
On May 14, 2010, at 2:34 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> For a while, I used a programme called ProtectMac on our systems because of our interaction with Windows-based machines used by others.
> 
> 
> As of March 2010, however, I've been using MacScan, which blows ProtectMac out of the water.
> 
> If you're concerned about security on your Mac, particularly if you share seamless access using VMWare Fusion or Parallels Desktop, or even if you're using the latest version of Boot Camp, which now lets Windows see your HFS volumes as well as the FAT32/NTFS volumes which Windows uses, you might want to consider looking at this.
> 
> You can find the trial here:
> http://macscan.securemac.com/
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
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> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 14 20:36:38 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 20:36:38 +0100
Subject: Macscan Trial
Message-ID: <55C5911F-7E9C-43BD-8099-691A814A0DC4@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

I am sorry; I should have explained that earlier. When you run the programme for the first time, an authentication window comes up. VoiceOver doesn't pick up the first banner for some reason. Just hit enter and you'll be put into a standard authentication window that asks you whether you want to allow the programme access to your system.

Without authenticating it cannot do its work.

Lynne



From david.mclean at cox.net  Fri May 14 20:51:58 2010
From: david.mclean at cox.net (David McLean)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 15:51:58 -0400
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_MacScan_=BB_MacScan_anti-spyware_security_pro?=
	=?iso-8859-1?Q?gram_removes_spyware_for_Macintosh_Mac_OS_X?=
In-Reply-To: <059269DD-D9B3-4204-9FB1-673C22113B66@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <8FD42CC0-C485-4ED2-9517-90ED5B005493@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<7F94A0E0-B9A4-46B4-B068-6A6C094D5ABE@cox.net>
	<059269DD-D9B3-4204-9FB1-673C22113B66@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F32E5700-45AB-4080-B5A3-4F6731D17759@cox.net>

Thanks, that was it.
On May 14, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> When you get that, press the enter key.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> On 14 May 2010, at 20:25, David McLean wrote:
> 
> I downloaded and install the trial of Macscan but when I start the program all I get is "Macscan has no windows" and there seems to be no control of it possible.  Am I missing something?
> On May 14, 2010, at 2:34 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> For a while, I used a programme called ProtectMac on our systems because of our interaction with Windows-based machines used by others.
>> 
>> 
>> As of March 2010, however, I've been using MacScan, which blows ProtectMac out of the water.
>> 
>> If you're concerned about security on your Mac, particularly if you share seamless access using VMWare Fusion or Parallels Desktop, or even if you're using the latest version of Boot Camp, which now lets Windows see your HFS volumes as well as the FAT32/NTFS volumes which Windows uses, you might want to consider looking at this.
>> 
>> You can find the trial here:
>> http://macscan.securemac.com/
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
>> 
>> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
>> 
>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free!
>> 
>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at:
>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
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From mattchao at verizon.net  Fri May 14 22:32:33 2010
From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 17:32:33 -0400
Subject: iPhone
Message-ID: <E1OD2UL-00059K-IV@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi, Folks!  I realize this might be somewhat off-topic, but I'm 
thinking of getting an iPhone.  I currently use Talks on a Nokia 
N82.  As this email list is primarily Mac, yet all things apple, what 
is the concensus on the iPhone?  Is it ready for "prime 
time?"  Thanks in advance for your help.--Matthew Chao


From support at tft-bbs.com  Fri May 14 23:32:26 2010
From: support at tft-bbs.com (Gordon & Lynne Smith)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 23:32:26 +0100
Subject: List PortL Updated
Message-ID: <05BC8D97-1F9B-4E41-92EE-200655FF733C@tft-bbs.com>

Hello everybody

This message is purely for information purposes; although if you want to take a look and give us constructive feedback that would be appreciated.

Gordon has just finished a significant update to our E-Mail list portal page. This page gives quick links to all of our other sites and services, but its primary intention is to provide extensive help with the use of our E-Mail server and it's commands.

We feel that the commands are now far better laid out and the descriptions for them is made easier to understand.

Actually, since our service uses standard list management software, you may find this guide which we have put together of help with other list providers as well.  Please be aware, however, this guide is our own work and should be treated as such.

You may find the page, (which we think is an excellent source of reference), at:
http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/List-Portal.html
and, as I say, we appreciate any constructive feedback.

You may navigate through the mailing list commands by headings, and through sub-commands by list items.

Lynne



From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Fri May 14 23:44:46 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Fri, 14 May 2010 23:44:46 +0100
Subject: iPhone
In-Reply-To: <E1OD2UL-00059K-IV@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1OD2UL-00059K-IV@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <48EE8D08-E925-4CA7-8684-9AAE27E1E931@gmail.com>

Hi Mathew,

Yes, I would say that it is. It will take some getting used to, but it is definitely ready for prime time. In my opinion anyway.

TC
James 
On 14 May 2010, at 22:32, Matthew Chao wrote:

> Hi, Folks!  I realize this might be somewhat off-topic, but I'm thinking of getting an iPhone.  I currently use Talks on a Nokia N82.  As this email list is primarily Mac, yet all things apple, what is the concensus on the iPhone?  Is it ready for "prime time?"  Thanks in advance for your help.--Matthew Chao
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
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> 
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> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May 15 06:28:27 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 06:28:27 +0100
Subject: iPhone
In-Reply-To: <E1OD2UL-00059K-IV@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <E1OD2UL-00059K-IV@elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <0FB517CF-C6BB-432F-A132-20A75D965C41@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Matthew

On 14 May 2010, at 22:32, Matthew Chao wrote:

? Hi, Folks!  I realize this might be somewhat off-topic, but I'm thinking of getting an iPhone.  I currently use Talks on a Nokia N82.  As this email list is primarily Mac, yet all things apple, what is the concensus on the iPhone?  Is it ready for "prime time?"  Thanks in advance for your help.--

First, I need to correct something here. This list is not designed to be primarily Mac, as opposed to iPhone, iPod, anything else Apple. The last segment of that sentence describes it.

So, just to press the point; nothing is off-topic, as long as it's Apple related and concerns either Apple products, or associated third party products.

Now, were you to start discussing how wonderful or otherwise Windows 7 is; how fantastic the latest version of X, Y Z screen-reader for Windows is, how brilliant or otherwise Microsoft's services are, that's a different matter.  But Apple products, please feel free; everybody; to discuss them to your heart's content.

I hope that as a general notice, that clarifies things for all members.

iPhone and iPod are, as you would know from other posts on this list, many many of them actually which you can find in the list archives at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html you will discover that we often talk about iPhone/iPod/iPad applications and accessories. So I guess the answer to your question is, in a nut-shell, yes; definitely, yes. :-)

Lynne


From cjsims3000 at gmail.com  Sat May 15 07:28:38 2010
From: cjsims3000 at gmail.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 16:28:38 +1000
Subject: Just out of interest
In-Reply-To: <E881D328-D45F-420D-B510-4A5F5E5452F0@cox.net>
References: <608335C6-2B07-420A-A3C5-141122DB1DF9@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<E881D328-D45F-420D-B510-4A5F5E5452F0@cox.net>
Message-ID: <5CF9C796-17AE-4F91-B83D-AC1D23A79483@gmail.com>

I also use Apple mail at home.  
Christopher Sims
cjsims3000 at gmail.com
facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 

On 11/05/2010, at 7:48 PM, David McLean wrote:

> Using Apple Mail here.  Haven't used Outlook for my home mail since I bought my first Mac last September.  No need really.
> On May 11, 2010, at 2:55 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> This is just a general question purely out of interest, to confirm or dispel a working theory.
>> 
>> As you know, the battle against spam is always ongoing for those of us who use E-Mail. That is especially true for those of us who maintain busy servers such as ours.
>> 
>> On average, we handle upwards of 40,000 messages in every 24-hour period and that number is rising fast.
>> 
>> A very large percentage of that traffic is spam, unsolicited or malicious traffic from which we protect our clients, unlike many providers who just let it all through.
>> 
>> Recently, we've been noticing an increasing number of non-member attempted postings to the Mac-Access list, advertising things like the best place to buy Viagra and other substances.
>> 
>> So, just out of interest, how many users on list are using Outlook in one flavour or another?  I ask because it's known that Outlook address books are often covertly distributed or re-transmitted without the user's knowledge or consent.  Looking at the mail that really should be on the list, I'm noticing quite a few are being sent using Outlook Express or Outlook.
>> 
>> No complain here, I'm just curious.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May 15 09:37:50 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 09:37:50 +0100
Subject: VisioVoice or something
Message-ID: <51EF67C4-92BD-4084-B7F5-570C7134B3B4@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello all

I'd like to find a way to convert text files to MP3 audio. Is there a way this can be done on the Mac?

One of my clients has an MP3 player and would like her reports in MP3 format. But the player won't touch what iTunes spits out.

Lynne



From tsiegel at softcon.us  Sat May 15 14:52:13 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 08:52:13 -0500
Subject: Back button in Finder
In-Reply-To: <20100513001922.GA24953@naughty.kavun>
References: <20100513001922.GA24953@naughty.kavun>
Message-ID: <AADF4AAC-31B5-4B2A-A3E6-AD921979015A@softcon.us>

To move back/forward in finder (note that forward in this case means  
into a folder you were already in) you can use command-left bracket  
([) and command-right bracket (])
Pressing these keys will move you forward and backwards through the  
selections you've already made in finder, such as browsing a directory  
tree from top to bottom.
Again, please note that command-right bracket will not take you  
further into the file system if you've not already been there on your  
own.
I.E.
let's say I have a directory structure like this:
/files/ftp/softcon/unix/source
Now, let's suppose I'm currently at the unix level of this file path.
Using the command-left bracket will take me back to the softcon  
folder, and another command-left bracket will take back one more step  
to the ftp folder.
However, if I then decide that's not what I wanted, and I hit command- 
right bracket, I will then be placed back into the softcon folder,  
another command-right bracket will put me back in the unix folder.
However, pressing command-right bracket will have no effect, since I  
had not yet entered the source folder on my own before backing out of  
the tree structure.
Hope this helps. I do tend to get a bit long-winded at times. :)

As for your second question, on how to go back past the mobile me pop- 
up, this is really a function of how you have your system setup.
In finder's preferences, you'll find a bunch of checkboxes as to what  
shows up on your desktop, what shows up on the computer view and so  
forth.
If you're not using the mobile account, simply uncheck the box for the  
mobile me account, and you won't get these pop=-ups.
Otherwise, the quickest way to get to the root of your file system is  
to use the command-shift-C key combination, this will take you  
directly to the top level of your file system, and allow you to browse  
all of the disks and devices connected to your system.
Again, hope this helps, and feel free to yell if any of it doesn't  
make sense.

From tsiegel at softcon.us  Sat May 15 14:59:27 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Sat, 15 May 2010 08:59:27 -0500
Subject: Ten plus mistakes new linux users make
Message-ID: <41E4637D-BC38-481D-8770-4216E2F1A507@softcon.us>

Here's an article talking about the top things linux beginners do that  
are incorrect.  Most of these translate directly to osx, so do have a  
read of the article, and be sure you're not doing these things.   
Perhaps I'll write a (slightly) revised version of this article for  
osx and see if they'll publish it.
All points made here are good points, and ones you want to keep in  
mind while making the transition (or thinking about such)
The article can be found at:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/10-mistakes-linux-newbies-make/34444?tag=nl.e539

From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May 16 08:43:17 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 08:43:17 +0100
Subject: Open Office
Message-ID: <5ECD14DF-FDED-42E0-8B35-4AA22EAE22E9@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

I have some questions. Is it possible to install Open Office and Tables, without changing the default applications for opening specific file types I think that Gordon and I have reached a situation now where, for a number of reasons, both applications are going to become essential.

Numbers is indeed accessible. But Dane pointed out, quite rightly it would seem, that you cannot jump around easily in your spreadsheets without vision. This is proving a very big setback, as it impairs the ability to quickly access information.

We're more than happy with Pages, but we need to be able to produce Daisy documents and, quite honestly, virtual machines under Fusion are just too flipping slow for that. So we've given up on that idea and we refuse point blank to go back to using physical PCs.

So the only option, given the complete absence of DAILY publishing solutions on the Mac, is a plug-in for Open Office. This is tedious in the extreme, but it seems it's the only way.

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sun May 16 19:29:31 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 04:29:31 +1000
Subject: Open Office
In-Reply-To: <5ECD14DF-FDED-42E0-8B35-4AA22EAE22E9@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <5ECD14DF-FDED-42E0-8B35-4AA22EAE22E9@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <09F366E6-C76C-4EC6-BCFE-B6DBEF460052@internode.on.net>

Hi!

I don't think you can stop Open Office from fiddling round with the file types but you can! fix that problem by going into the file info of an affected file.  For example, suppose you wish to associate .doc files with Pages, go to a .doc file and press command-i for File Info, a new window pops up and near the bottom you'll see a part of the properties box which refers to what application by default will open this file, select the application you want from the menu and then press the "Change All" button to change all files of this type to run with the specific app.

Now to the issue of Tables and we've discussed this before <smile>, its only my opinion but Tables certainly gives far more navigation choices than does numbers.  You can navigate quite well in Open Office too I believe when it comes to Spreadsheets, I've not done much work with it myself but I do know people who use it regularly to edit and manage time sheets which were originally written with Microsoft Excel 2010.


On 16/05/2010, at 5:43 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> I have some questions. Is it possible to install Open Office and Tables, without changing the default applications for opening specific file types I think that Gordon and I have reached a situation now where, for a number of reasons, both applications are going to become essential.
> 
> Numbers is indeed accessible. But Dane pointed out, quite rightly it would seem, that you cannot jump around easily in your spreadsheets without vision. This is proving a very big setback, as it impairs the ability to quickly access information.
> 
> We're more than happy with Pages, but we need to be able to produce Daisy documents and, quite honestly, virtual machines under Fusion are just too flipping slow for that. So we've given up on that idea and we refuse point blank to go back to using physical PCs.
> 
> So the only option, given the complete absence of DAILY publishing solutions on the Mac, is a plug-in for Open Office. This is tedious in the extreme, but it seems it's the only way.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sun May 16 19:33:34 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 04:33:34 +1000
Subject: Open Office
In-Reply-To: <5ECD14DF-FDED-42E0-8B35-4AA22EAE22E9@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <5ECD14DF-FDED-42E0-8B35-4AA22EAE22E9@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1A648213-F4ED-42EE-84BD-A5F372523FE6@internode.on.net>

Oh and a couple of other points, I tried the latest version of VM-Ware Fusion the other day and to say that I was totally underwhelmed would indeed be an under statement, perhaps a feeling of lingering disappointment would be a better description of my feelings towards this software, thought the earlier versions ran rings around this later one and I'm puzzling now as to why I bothered upgrading, I'm also very glad I kept my original Windows PC for those very few times I want to work with Windows these days but that's another issue <smile>.


On 16/05/2010, at 5:43 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> I have some questions. Is it possible to install Open Office and Tables, without changing the default applications for opening specific file types I think that Gordon and I have reached a situation now where, for a number of reasons, both applications are going to become essential.
> 
> Numbers is indeed accessible. But Dane pointed out, quite rightly it would seem, that you cannot jump around easily in your spreadsheets without vision. This is proving a very big setback, as it impairs the ability to quickly access information.
> 
> We're more than happy with Pages, but we need to be able to produce Daisy documents and, quite honestly, virtual machines under Fusion are just too flipping slow for that. So we've given up on that idea and we refuse point blank to go back to using physical PCs.
> 
> So the only option, given the complete absence of DAILY publishing solutions on the Mac, is a plug-in for Open Office. This is tedious in the extreme, but it seems it's the only way.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
> 
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> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May 16 19:47:54 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 19:47:54 +0100
Subject: Open Office
In-Reply-To: <09F366E6-C76C-4EC6-BCFE-B6DBEF460052@internode.on.net>
References: <5ECD14DF-FDED-42E0-8B35-4AA22EAE22E9@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<09F366E6-C76C-4EC6-BCFE-B6DBEF460052@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <B8461E26-5AE2-4713-821B-E664AE5BE479@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 16 May 2010, at 19:29, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? I don't think you can stop Open Office from fiddling round with the file types but you can! fix that problem by going into the file info of an affected file.  For example, suppose you wish to associate .doc files with Pages, go to a .doc file and press command-i for File Info, a new window pops up and near the bottom you'll see a part of the properties box which refers to what application by default will open this file, select the application you want from the menu and then press the "Change All" button to change all files of this type to run with the specific app.

Yes; I know how to change the properties of file actions. I tried Open Office on an external hard drive install of our system this afternoon and it seems to keep modifying the default actions each time you run it. So I'm going to skip that idea.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May 16 19:52:17 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 16 May 2010 19:52:17 +0100
Subject: Fusion 2 or 3
In-Reply-To: <1A648213-F4ED-42EE-84BD-A5F372523FE6@internode.on.net>
References: <5ECD14DF-FDED-42E0-8B35-4AA22EAE22E9@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<1A648213-F4ED-42EE-84BD-A5F372523FE6@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <1FD930AB-0C4A-4D11-8560-7308ECB85A4A@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 16 May 2010, at 19:33, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Oh and a couple of other points, I tried the latest version of VM-Ware Fusion the other day and to say that I was totally underwhelmed would indeed be an under statement, perhaps a feeling of lingering disappointment would be a better description of my feelings towards this software, thought the earlier versions ran rings around this later one and I'm puzzling now as to why I bothered upgrading, I'm also very glad I kept my original Windows PC for those very few times I want to work with Windows these days but that's another issue <smile>.

There are advabntages to Fusion 3. But overall it's slow with 32-bit operating systems. But I have to tell you that it's a totally different ballgame with 64-bit. It's like absolute lightning.

That said, we only use Windows for work stuff.

Lynne



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sun May 16 20:35:04 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 05:35:04 +1000
Subject: Open Office
In-Reply-To: <B8461E26-5AE2-4713-821B-E664AE5BE479@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <5ECD14DF-FDED-42E0-8B35-4AA22EAE22E9@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<09F366E6-C76C-4EC6-BCFE-B6DBEF460052@internode.on.net>
	<B8461E26-5AE2-4713-821B-E664AE5BE479@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2052A062-2979-46DB-A9D2-83B5664C1E36@internode.on.net>

Interesting, that just doesn't happen here, what I set my defaults to is what sticks, yep Open office did modify some document types but I've never had the software perform that action again, actually Open Office won't open any file at all here except an open office document, the only way Open Office will open any other file type is if I specifically select "open with Open Office" from the File Menu in the Finder or if I manually open it in Open Office itself.


On 17/05/2010, at 4:47 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 16 May 2010, at 19:29, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> ? I don't think you can stop Open Office from fiddling round with the file types but you can! fix that problem by going into the file info of an affected file.  For example, suppose you wish to associate .doc files with Pages, go to a .doc file and press command-i for File Info, a new window pops up and near the bottom you'll see a part of the properties box which refers to what application by default will open this file, select the application you want from the menu and then press the "Change All" button to change all files of this type to run with the specific app.
> 
> Yes; I know how to change the properties of file actions. I tried Open Office on an external hard drive install of our system this afternoon and it seems to keep modifying the default actions each time you run it. So I'm going to skip that idea.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Mon May 17 00:36:58 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 09:36:58 +1000
Subject: Problem with accessibility in Pages
Message-ID: <BC012287-209D-4BA3-B1E2-88480171C58A@internode.on.net>

Hi!

I can't seem to get Pages to announce miss-spelt words as I type them, I have "Check Spelling as you type selected in the "spelling" menu under the "Edit" menu of Pages, anyone have any suggestions or thoughts on this?



From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 17 07:09:13 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 07:09:13 +0100
Subject: Open Office
In-Reply-To: <2052A062-2979-46DB-A9D2-83B5664C1E36@internode.on.net>
References: <5ECD14DF-FDED-42E0-8B35-4AA22EAE22E9@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<09F366E6-C76C-4EC6-BCFE-B6DBEF460052@internode.on.net>
	<B8461E26-5AE2-4713-821B-E664AE5BE479@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<2052A062-2979-46DB-A9D2-83B5664C1E36@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <4BF9FF60-6541-4202-9426-B33508F72DB9@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 16 May 2010, at 20:35, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Interesting, that just doesn't happen here, what I set my defaults to is what sticks, yep Open office did modify some document types but I've never had the software perform that action again, actually Open Office won't open any file at all here except an open office document, the only way Open Office will open any other file type is if I specifically select "open with Open Office" from the File Menu in the Finder or if I manually open it in Open Office itself.

Yes, that is what we expected to happen; but it didn't.

Lynne



From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 17 07:11:13 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 07:11:13 +0100
Subject: Problem with accessibility in Pages
In-Reply-To: <BC012287-209D-4BA3-B1E2-88480171C58A@internode.on.net>
References: <BC012287-209D-4BA3-B1E2-88480171C58A@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <6D4C5F57-DDEB-44A9-9D14-C8E3E72467EB@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 17 May 2010, at 00:36, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? I can't seem to get Pages to announce miss-spelt words as I type them, I have "Check Spelling as you type selected in the "spelling" menu under the "Edit" menu of Pages, anyone have any suggestions or thoughts on this?

Yes; Gordon has been having this problem since 10.6.3 and also VoiceOver is verbalising words as split across 2 lines when they're not. It shows up that way in Braille as well so it looks like the documents aren't being exposed to VoiceOver properly any more.

Lynne


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From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Mon May 17 08:48:48 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 09:48:48 +0200
Subject: Problem with accessibility in Pages
In-Reply-To: <BC012287-209D-4BA3-B1E2-88480171C58A@internode.on.net>
References: <BC012287-209D-4BA3-B1E2-88480171C58A@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <3DE433FB-B573-4F8F-B814-D655A6A3D00E@anarchie.org.uk>

Hello Dane,

Checking spelling as you go with Pages doesn't work with VO. It doesn't even show up on a Braille display.

You have to spell check afterwards by going to the top of the document and using Command-; (semicolon). I find I usually have to route the mouse to the highlighted word before I can do a contextual menu to get the various options.

It's a bit annoying, but it works.

Cheers,

Anne


On May 17, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> I can't seem to get Pages to announce miss-spelt words as I type them, I have "Check Spelling as you type selected in the "spelling" menu under the "Edit" menu of Pages, anyone have any suggestions or thoughts on this?
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Mon May 17 08:55:37 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 17:55:37 +1000
Subject: Problem with accessibility in Pages
In-Reply-To: <3DE433FB-B573-4F8F-B814-D655A6A3D00E@anarchie.org.uk>
References: <BC012287-209D-4BA3-B1E2-88480171C58A@internode.on.net>
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Thank you for this and as you say, at least the Spell Check document procedure works so that's one way <smile>.


On 17/05/2010, at 5:48 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Dane,
> 
> Checking spelling as you go with Pages doesn't work with VO. It doesn't even show up on a Braille display.
> 
> You have to spell check afterwards by going to the top of the document and using Command-; (semicolon). I find I usually have to route the mouse to the highlighted word before I can do a contextual menu to get the various options.
> 
> It's a bit annoying, but it works.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On May 17, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I can't seem to get Pages to announce miss-spelt words as I type them, I have "Check Spelling as you type selected in the "spelling" menu under the "Edit" menu of Pages, anyone have any suggestions or thoughts on this?
>> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Mon May 17 09:01:17 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:01:17 +1000
Subject: Open Office
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Okay, I don't know whether this would help but perhaps a session with Cocktail may be appropriate now, there's a tool in there which sets all your file types back to their original defaults so I'm thinking that if you do this and then set things back the way you want them?


On 17/05/2010, at 4:09 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 16 May 2010, at 20:35, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> ? Interesting, that just doesn't happen here, what I set my defaults to is what sticks, yep Open office did modify some document types but I've never had the software perform that action again, actually Open Office won't open any file at all here except an open office document, the only way Open Office will open any other file type is if I specifically select "open with Open Office" from the File Menu in the Finder or if I manually open it in Open Office itself.
> 
> Yes, that is what we expected to happen; but it didn't.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 17 09:17:00 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 09:17:00 +0100
Subject: Open Office
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As I understand this, it set it back to factory defaults, not user defined defaults. That's definitely not what we want.

On 17 May 2010, at 09:01, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Okay, I don't know whether this would help but perhaps a session with Cocktail may be appropriate now, there's a tool in there which sets all your file types back to their original defaults so I'm thinking that if you do this and then set things back the way you want them?



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Mon May 17 09:33:26 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:33:26 +1000
Subject: Open Office
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Exactly and I stated that you change them back afterwards to what you like? I'm suggesting that a cache or something in that area may need to be cleared, I've done this once before!


On 17/05/2010, at 6:17 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> As I understand this, it set it back to factory defaults, not user defined defaults. That's definitely not what we want.
> 
> On 17 May 2010, at 09:01, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Okay, I don't know whether this would help but perhaps a session with Cocktail may be appropriate now, there's a tool in there which sets all your file types back to their original defaults so I'm thinking that if you do this and then set things back the way you want them?
> 
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 17 09:42:38 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 09:42:38 +0100
Subject: Problem with accessibility in Pages
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Hi Anne

No, I haven't undergone a personality switch! :-)  But you know, this is something I totally forgot about and, ironically, I used to use it a lot.

pages is, for the most part, the best way of producing word processed documents I think.  I've stopped using Nisus Writer Pro, and all the other editors I used to use for this purpose altogether.

This is, of course, a personal decision and it's good that there is a diversity of applications available.  But for me, the most important thing is getting the job done and, for the most part, Pages lets me do that quickly and easily.

That said, as Lynne pointed out earlier I think, I'm seeing what I'm going to call OSM issues in Pages since the 10.6.3 update to OSX.  And actually I find them quite irritating.  Sometimes, parts of words will appear to be split when in fact they're not.

But one thing I do like about Pages is the ability to create simple PDF documents.  I say simple documents because that's all they are.  I wouldn't describe any PDF production tool to which we have access on the Mac as a sophisticated PDF production tool.  The only thing I've seen which comes close to that description, and even that isn't fully implemented for several reasons, is PDF Pen Pro.

PDFPen Pro, (which Lynne uses), lacks in accessibility.  Nor does it support accessibility tags.  In fact, I've never seen anything on the Mac that does support accessibility tags.  So maybe there is some truth in what Adobe told me last week.  Maybe it is an API issue which Apple simply won't publish.

But to get back to the point.  Pages does most everything I need, all in the one solution.  I find Nisus, along with most of the other editors I've tried, messy and sloopy by comparison.  But maybe that's just me.

I'm actually leaning towards streamlining everything these days, to be honest.  I.e., don't have multiple applications just because they all do the same job.  I'm moving towards Lynne's outlook of if it isn't broken, don't fix it.  Sometimes version upgrades are actually counterproductive, as they introduce problems all of their own.  So these days I tend to stick with what works.

Gordon

On 17 May 2010, at 08:48, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello Dane,

Checking spelling as you go with Pages doesn't work with VO. It doesn't even show up on a Braille display.

You have to spell check afterwards by going to the top of the document and using Command-; (semicolon). I find I usually have to route the mouse to the highlighted word before I can do a contextual menu to get the various options.

It's a bit annoying, but it works.

Cheers,

Anne


On May 17, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> I can't seem to get Pages to announce miss-spelt words as I type them, I have "Check Spelling as you type selected in the "spelling" menu under the "Edit" menu of Pages, anyone have any suggestions or thoughts on this?
> 
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 17 09:44:10 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 09:44:10 +0100
Subject: Open Office
In-Reply-To: <FC691340-A035-4964-B3F9-604481833987@internode.on.net>
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I actually clear out the system caches regularly, seeral times a week.  I find it speeds the entire machine up.  But I don't bother changing back system defaults.

On 17 May 2010, at 09:33, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Exactly and I stated that you change them back afterwards to what you like? I'm suggesting that a cache or something in that area may need to be cleared, I've done this once before!



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Mon May 17 09:45:16 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:45:16 +1000
Subject: Open Office
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Ah well, there goes the answer to your problem then <smile>.


On 17/05/2010, at 6:44 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> I actually clear out the system caches regularly, seeral times a week.  I find it speeds the entire machine up.  But I don't bother changing back system defaults.
> 
> On 17 May 2010, at 09:33, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Exactly and I stated that you change them back afterwards to what you like? I'm suggesting that a cache or something in that area may need to be cleared, I've done this once before!
> 
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 17 09:51:05 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 09:51:05 +0100
Subject: Open Office
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Why is that the "answer to" my problem?  Just because our file application defaults are different from Apple's, what difference does that make?

Sorry, I'm genuinely confused as to your meaning here.

On 17 May 2010, at 09:45, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Ah well, there goes the answer to your problem then <smile>.



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Mon May 17 09:59:08 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 18:59:08 +1000
Subject: Problem with accessibility in Pages
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You can easily create simple PDF documents in Nisus Writer, Open Office etc.

I agree that its good we have a choice as to what we can use.

I've been using Pages ad Numbers and - compared to what I'm used to - I actually find them extremely "Clunky" and not as responsive to Nisus in the case of Pages and certainly falling below the standard of accessibility and navigation I get from Tables when it comes to Numbers <smile>. but its a case of whatever floats your boat and as you say, if you get the job done then that's all that matters.

As I say, I know people who successfully use Open Office for everything! how they manage it I don't know because there are some areas that just don't seem to be accessible yet but then again perhaps I'm doing something wrong at my end, I'm never afraid to admit that I'm wrong <smile>.

I still haven't worked out how the hell you're supposed to create numbered lists in Nisus or should I say, how you're supposed to convert items in your list to numbered items, in Nisus Writer Pro you just highlight what you want and select "Numbered lists" from the "Lists" menu but it doesn't seem to be as straight forward as that in Pages, when I tried to select the "Numbered list" style from the toolbar I found it disabled.


On 17/05/2010, at 6:42 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Anne
> 
> No, I haven't undergone a personality switch! :-)  But you know, this is something I totally forgot about and, ironically, I used to use it a lot.
> 
> pages is, for the most part, the best way of producing word processed documents I think.  I've stopped using Nisus Writer Pro, and all the other editors I used to use for this purpose altogether.
> 
> This is, of course, a personal decision and it's good that there is a diversity of applications available.  But for me, the most important thing is getting the job done and, for the most part, Pages lets me do that quickly and easily.
> 
> That said, as Lynne pointed out earlier I think, I'm seeing what I'm going to call OSM issues in Pages since the 10.6.3 update to OSX.  And actually I find them quite irritating.  Sometimes, parts of words will appear to be split when in fact they're not.
> 
> But one thing I do like about Pages is the ability to create simple PDF documents.  I say simple documents because that's all they are.  I wouldn't describe any PDF production tool to which we have access on the Mac as a sophisticated PDF production tool.  The only thing I've seen which comes close to that description, and even that isn't fully implemented for several reasons, is PDF Pen Pro.
> 
> PDFPen Pro, (which Lynne uses), lacks in accessibility.  Nor does it support accessibility tags.  In fact, I've never seen anything on the Mac that does support accessibility tags.  So maybe there is some truth in what Adobe told me last week.  Maybe it is an API issue which Apple simply won't publish.
> 
> But to get back to the point.  Pages does most everything I need, all in the one solution.  I find Nisus, along with most of the other editors I've tried, messy and sloopy by comparison.  But maybe that's just me.
> 
> I'm actually leaning towards streamlining everything these days, to be honest.  I.e., don't have multiple applications just because they all do the same job.  I'm moving towards Lynne's outlook of if it isn't broken, don't fix it.  Sometimes version upgrades are actually counterproductive, as they introduce problems all of their own.  So these days I tend to stick with what works.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 17 May 2010, at 08:48, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
> Hello Dane,
> 
> Checking spelling as you go with Pages doesn't work with VO. It doesn't even show up on a Braille display.
> 
> You have to spell check afterwards by going to the top of the document and using Command-; (semicolon). I find I usually have to route the mouse to the highlighted word before I can do a contextual menu to get the various options.
> 
> It's a bit annoying, but it works.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On May 17, 2010, at 1:36 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I can't seem to get Pages to announce miss-spelt words as I type them, I have "Check Spelling as you type selected in the "spelling" menu under the "Edit" menu of Pages, anyone have any suggestions or thoughts on this?
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 17 10:30:18 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 10:30:18 +0100
Subject: Problem with accessibility in Pages
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References: <BC012287-209D-4BA3-B1E2-88480171C58A@internode.on.net>
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OK, maybe some explanation and justification is called for here.  So et me take this point by point as it's starting to become an interesting discussion.

On 17 May 2010, at 09:59, Dane Trethowan wrote:

You can easily create simple PDF documents in Nisus Writer, Open Office etc.

You have just put your finger right on the problem Dane, "simple" PDF documents.  Most Mac OSX applications worth their salt can do that.  But nothing more complex and that's my exact point.

I agree that its good we have a choice as to what we can use.

Of course it is.  Not everybody likes Pages, not everybody chooses to invest in it.

I've been using Pages ad Numbers and - compared to what I'm used to - I actually find them extremely "Clunky" and not as responsive to Nisus in the case of Pages and certainly falling below the standard of accessibility and navigation I get from Tables when it comes to Numbers <smile>. but its a case of whatever floats your boat and as you say, if you get the job done then 

In what way are they clumsy I wonder?  I'm just interested to know what it is about Pages, for instance, you find difficult to use.

As I say, I know people who successfully use Open Office for everything! how they manage it I don't know because there are some areas that just don't seem to be accessible yet but then again perhaps I'm doing something wrong at my end, I'm never afraid to admit that I'm wrong <smile>.

I dont much like what I've seen of Open Office, I have to be honest.  The only reason we even thought of it was because there's a total lack of support for DAISY publication on the Mac with the exception of the one primitive little plug-in for Open Office.  Lynne needs to be able to procu e DAISY content, and other than using Windows we seem to have no option.

I still haven't worked out how the hell you're supposed to create numbered lists in Nisus or should I say, how you're supposed to convert items in your list to numbered items, in Nisus Writer Pro you just highlight what you want and select "Numbered lists" from the "Lists" menu but it doesn't seem to be as straight forward as that in Pages, when I tried to select the "Numbered list" style from the toolbar I found it disabled.

I assume that was an error, and you meant to say in Pages.  I've never tried, but might soon because I have a job on the cards which will need something like that.



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Mon May 17 11:00:43 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 20:00:43 +1000
Subject: Problem with accessibility in Pages
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Okay perhaps I'd better explain what I mean by saying that Pages and Numbers have a "clunky" feel to them.

I'm not meaning that they're totally unaccessible or anything like that, perhaps an example might be comparing the use of Pages and Numbers to using a Typewriter whereas I would say that I'm using Nisus Writer Pro and Tables on a computer! perhaps that better illustrates my point or perhaps not but that's the only way I can think of to explain it at the moment.

Accessibility for Nisus Writer Pro has come a long way in such a short time, its totally unrecognisable now compared to what it was and I suggest that the upgrading of operating systems during that time has played a huge part in this as well as attention to detail and customer base on behalf of the developers, there's only one thing not accessible in Nisus Writer Pro now and that's tables but there are ways around that, I prefer to use the spreadsheet application Tables itself! if I want to do any tables work, very nice! A lot of people are under the illusion that you just use a spreadsheet application for adding up results and performing calculations? I was one of those who were under that impression but since I've played with spreadsheets I've discovered just how versatile they can be and they can be used for.. well just about anything including the creation of accessible and magnificient looking tables.

Regarding Open Office? Yes, I've used the Word Processor and I have no problem with it apart from some of the stuff there not being fully accessible yet.  There are a couple of things you need to bare in mind when using Open Office, every paragraph is in its own edit box, a bit hard to get used to at first but once you do its quite easy to navigate, the LINUX version does exactly the same thing.

Some different navigation and selection keystrokes in Open Office, they mimic the LINUX version.

By the way, did you know that some of Nisus Writers coding comes straight from Open Office?


On 17/05/2010, at 7:30 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> OK, maybe some explanation and justification is called for here.  So et me take this point by point as it's starting to become an interesting discussion.
> 
> On 17 May 2010, at 09:59, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> You can easily create simple PDF documents in Nisus Writer, Open Office etc.
> 
> You have just put your finger right on the problem Dane, "simple" PDF documents.  Most Mac OSX applications worth their salt can do that.  But nothing more complex and that's my exact point.
> 
> I agree that its good we have a choice as to what we can use.
> 
> Of course it is.  Not everybody likes Pages, not everybody chooses to invest in it.
> 
> I've been using Pages ad Numbers and - compared to what I'm used to - I actually find them extremely "Clunky" and not as responsive to Nisus in the case of Pages and certainly falling below the standard of accessibility and navigation I get from Tables when it comes to Numbers <smile>. but its a case of whatever floats your boat and as you say, if you get the job done then 
> 
> In what way are they clumsy I wonder?  I'm just interested to know what it is about Pages, for instance, you find difficult to use.
> 
> As I say, I know people who successfully use Open Office for everything! how they manage it I don't know because there are some areas that just don't seem to be accessible yet but then again perhaps I'm doing something wrong at my end, I'm never afraid to admit that I'm wrong <smile>.
> 
> I dont much like what I've seen of Open Office, I have to be honest.  The only reason we even thought of it was because there's a total lack of support for DAISY publication on the Mac with the exception of the one primitive little plug-in for Open Office.  Lynne needs to be able to procu e DAISY content, and other than using Windows we seem to have no option.
> 
> I still haven't worked out how the hell you're supposed to create numbered lists in Nisus or should I say, how you're supposed to convert items in your list to numbered items, in Nisus Writer Pro you just highlight what you want and select "Numbered lists" from the "Lists" menu but it doesn't seem to be as straight forward as that in Pages, when I tried to select the "Numbered list" style from the toolbar I found it disabled.
> 
> I assume that was an error, and you meant to say in Pages.  I've never tried, but might soon because I have a job on the cards which will need something like that.
> 
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From tsiegel at softcon.us  Mon May 17 16:38:17 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 10:38:17 -0500
Subject: VisioVoice or something
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Well, it's not mp3, but using another converter (or if I can get it to  
work here) I do have an application that will convert from text to  
aiff format.
Then if you had another app, that could convert aiff to mp3 (itunes  
does this, but you said her mp3 player doesn't like that) then it  
could be changed into something her player would recognize.
I'll keep fiddling with this one.  I know how to make mp3 files, I'm  
just not sure how to get *this* app to do it.


On May 15, 2010, at 3:37 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello all
>
> I'd like to find a way to convert text files to MP3 audio. Is there  
> a way this can be done on the Mac?
>
> One of my clients has an MP3 player and would like her reports in  
> MP3 format. But the player won't touch what iTunes spits out.
>
> Lynne
>
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 17 17:12:06 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 17:12:06 +0100
Subject: VisioVoice or something
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Hello Travis

On 17 May 2010, at 16:38, Travis Siegel wrote:

? Well, it's not mp3, but using another converter (or if I can get it to work here) I do have an application that will convert from text to aiff format.
Then if you had another app, that could convert aiff to mp3 (itunes does this, but you said her mp3 player doesn't like that) then it could be changed into something her player would recognize.
I'll keep fiddling with this one.  I know how to make mp3 files, I'm just not sure how to get *this* app to do it.

I ended up using VisioVoice and then using Amadeus Pro to convert to MP3. But it's a shame it can't be done one-step.

Lynne



On May 15, 2010, at 3:37 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello all
> 
> I'd like to find a way to convert text files to MP3 audio. Is there a way this can be done on the Mac?
> 
> One of my clients has an MP3 player and would like her reports in MP3 format. But the player won't touch what iTunes spits out.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From moriond at mac.com  Mon May 17 17:01:27 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 06:01:27 -1000
Subject: Text to MP3 or other audio [was Re: VisioVoice or something]
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Hi Lynne,

You wrote:

> Hello all
>
> I'd like to find a way to convert text files to MP3 audio. Is there  
> a way this can be done on the Mac?
>
> One of my clients has an MP3 player and would like her reports in  
> MP3 format. But the player won't touch what iTunes spits out.
>
> Lynne

I'll outline 3 possible ways you can make an audio file (which could  
be in MP3 format) from a text file.

I believe that you have GhostReader, which is only a $10 add-on when  
you purchase your InfoVox voices from Assistiveware. You can use this  
to convert text to audio files using Command-O to select and open a  
text file, Command-A to select all, and then either Command-E to  
export to audio file (AIFF format) or Command-I to export to iTunes  
Track (which could be encoded as MP3, AAC, AIFF, Apple Lossless, or  
WAV, depending on what you check on the dialog window).  However, I'm  
puzzled by the remark, "But the player won't touch what iTunes spits  
out."  If you mean that her player won't play any MP3 file that iTunes  
produces, then I don't know what to recommend; you can take the AIFF  
file and convert it to an MP3 file with any other software program you  
want.

I've had no problems playing MP3 files made in iTunes on other (non- 
Apple) MP3 players. iTunes uses your last set of import settings for  
MP3 or AAC files to write out audio files.  My guess is that your  
client has never changed any of the iTunes settings, so there are no  
predefined MP3 settings -- just the default for importing/exporting as  
AAC files, so probably only AAC files are written out.  To set up  
iTunes to write out MP3 files:
1. Open iTunes preferences (Command-Comma)
2. Navigate to the General tab (this is probably selected by default)
3. Navigate to the "Import Settings" button (e.g., use Item Chooser  
menu or VO-Right Arrow to the button) and press it (VO-Space)
4. In the "Import Settings" dialog window, VO-Right arrow past "Import  
using:" to the pop up button, press (VO-Space), and either use your  
arrow keys to move through the menu or just press "m" to select MP3 as  
the format.
5. Navigate (VO-Right arrow) past "Settings:" to the pop up button,  
press (VO-Space), and use your arrow keys to select one of the  
predefined bit rates (128 kbps, 160 kbps, 192 kbps) or the "custom"  
setting, which brings up a custom dialog window with various options  
for bit rate, stereo or mono channels, filtering, etc.  I just press  
Return to commit changes or Escape to cancel, but you can navigate to  
the buttons for "OK" and "Cancel" and press them (VO-Space) instead.

Now, you'll be able to write out MP3 files with iTunes. You'll need to  
define MP3 import settings before you export to MP3 iTunes tracks so  
there are settings that iTunes can use.  (I don't think you need to  
have your current import settings set to MP3 though, in order to write  
out MP3 files, unless this has changed under iTunes 9)

For the other 2 methods, I'll paste in a reply I gave to Gordon (Keen)  
on this list over a year ago.  If I were writing the Automator  
workflow, I'd do it the way I described in the post (which changes the  
downloadable workflow)

Hi Gordon,

On Feb 10, 2009, at 7:34 AM, Gordon Keen wrote:
> Some way back I thought I recalled mention of a script that could be  
> used to take a text file and using the speech save it as an mp3 file.
>
> I would be very grateful if somebody could point me to the u.r.l.  
> where said script can be downloaded.

I have notes about this somewhere, but in the meantime, here are two  
alternatives:

? Apple has a demo Automator workflow that converts text from your  
clipboard to an audio clip in iTunes. You could download this and  
modify it to work with a selected TextEdit file instead of the  
clipboard, and you could change the setting from AAC encoding to mp3.   
The Apple URL is:

http://automator.us/leopard/examples/ex07/index.html

and you can get the workflow from the page's download link.  It's  
actually easier to check the components out under Automator. It's made  
up of 4 steps:

1. Get Contents from Clipboard
2. Text to Audio File
3. Import Audio Files
4. Add Songs to Playlist

You can hear these listed if you VO-right to the Workflow area of  
Automator, interact, and VO-down arrow through the list once you've  
downloaded it.

To run this as is, download the workflow and open it.  Select some  
text and copy to clipboard with Command-C.  Then do a Command-R to run  
the workflow.  As it stands, the workflow creates an AAC file called  
"Spoken Text" that it move into your iTunes library.  You can change  
the format to MP3 by interacting with the "Import Audio Files" action  
of the Workflow and VO-right to the popup button that specifies using  
the "AAC encoder" and setting this to "MP3 encoder".

There's a trick to getting text to speech to record this at a faster  
rate -- put the following characters at the beginning of the file:

[[rate 300]]

That's two left brackets (where left bracket is the key to the right  
of the "p" key), the word "rate", a space, and a number which is the  
words per minute, then two right brackets.  In the example used above,  
the rate is 300 words per minute.

What you really want to do is replace the "Get Contents from  
Clipboard" action with "Get Contents of TextEdit Document", but this  
is a little more complicated, since actions get added to the end of  
the workflow.  You'd have to first select the new action by
1. Navigating (VO-right) to the Actions Library, and selecting  
"Text" (press "t")
2. Navigate (VO-right) to the Actions table and select "Get Contents  
of TextEdit Document" (press "g")
3. Add this to the work flow (Interact with VO-Shift-Down arrow,  
Double-Click with VO-Shift-Space, stop interacting with VO-Shift-Up  
arrow).

At this point the new action has been added to the end of the  
workflow, as you'll find if you VO-right to the Workflow area and  
interact. Moving actions up or down to reorder them in the workflow  
requires that you move your mouse cursor to the header of each action  
and Control-click. You'll get menu options to move up or down, or to  
disable or enable actions.  So after double-clicking to add "Get  
Contents of TextEdit Document" to the Workflow, you would

4. VO-right to the Workflow area, interact, navigate with arrow keys  
to the "Get Contents of TextEdit Document" action and interact to move  
to its header.  Then, if you don't have your mouse cursor tracking  
your VoiceOver cursor you would have to move it to your VO cursor with  
Command-Option-F5 so that you could Control-click (press the control  
key and click your trackpad or mouse key) to bring up the menu with  
option to move up.  You'd move this action to the top of the workflow  
and either delete or disable the "Get Contents from Clipboard" action.

You can also save this as a plugin, so you can run this from a context  
menu (e.g., select a text file and use VO-Shift-M to select the  
automator action).  I haven't been working with Automator for some  
time, so maybe someone else could pick up this thread.  There's  
probably a way to add a small file that contains your speed  
preferences as a merger to the workflow.

Anyway, the advantage of pointing you to the Apple URL is that it will  
immediately work.

? Second option is to try:

http://www.spokentext.net

You can upload or paste in a selection of text, specify a rate in  
words per minute, and have them convert this into an mp3 file for  
you.  The voice isn't Alex, but it's fairly speedy.

HTH

Cheers,

Esther


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 17 19:12:38 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 19:12:38 +0100
Subject: Text to MP3 or other audio [was Re: VisioVoice or something]
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Hello Esther

On 17 May 2010, at 17:01, Esther wrote:
? I'll outline 3 possible ways you can make an audio file (which could be in MP3 format) from a text file.

Just to update this; we ended up using VisioVoice to do this and then converted the files to MP3 using Amadeus Pro. That turned out to be the quickest way as there were a batch of files she needed in MP3.

I appreciate the suggestions though.

Lynne


From moriond at mac.com  Mon May 17 19:26:09 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 08:26:09 -1000
Subject: Text to MP3 or other audio [was Re: VisioVoice or something]
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Hi Lynne,

The GhostReader method is just like the one VisioVoice uses -- it's  
just a later edition that allows you to select MP3, AAC, etc.  
options.  (At least, my version of VisioVoice, admittedly old, only  
let you export to iTunes as an AIFF file).  I wrote this up using  
GhostReader, because I knew the newer interface let you select MP3,  
whereas I wasn't sure the older VisioVoice interface let you do this.   
Also, very few people now are likely to spend the $249 for VisioVoice,  
while quite a lot of them might spend the extra $10 to get GhostReader  
along with an Infovox voice.  From your point of view, using  
GhostReader should have given you that "one-step" conversion, and you  
should have been able to select any of the voices you used with  
VisioVoice.

Cheers,

Esther


Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Esther
>
> On 17 May 2010, at 17:01, Esther wrote:
> ? I'll outline 3 possible ways you can make an audio file (which  
> could be in MP3 format) from a text file.
>
> Just to update this; we ended up using VisioVoice to do this and  
> then converted the files to MP3 using Amadeus Pro. That turned out  
> to be the quickest way as there were a batch of files she needed in  
> MP3.
>
> I appreciate the suggestions though.
>
> Lynne
>


From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Mon May 17 19:44:28 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 19:44:28 +0100
Subject: Problem with accessibility in Pages
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Hi Dane,
On 17 May 2010, at 11:00, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> there's only one thing not accessible in Nisus Writer Pro now and that's tables but there are ways around that,

I must be doing something wrong then, because, although accessibility in Nisus has come a long way since I first came to the Mac back in 2006, in my experience, more than just tables is inaccessible. The "Style Sheet" for one, and the Mail Merge place holders for another. But perhaps I am not using them correctly?

Pages is very good, and I will  go back and play with it before I decide whether or not I'm going to purchase it.  It's a real shame that the  spell check and VO don't play nicely together, but Apple have brought accessibility in Pages and all of the IWork suite a long way since 2008. Perhaps this will get fixed in a future upgrade.

TC
James 
> Okay perhaps I'd better explain what I mean by saying that Pages and Numbers have a "clunky" feel to them.
> 
> I'm not meaning that they're totally unaccessible or anything like that, perhaps an example might be comparing the use of Pages and Numbers to using a Typewriter whereas I would say that I'm using Nisus Writer Pro and Tables on a computer! perhaps that better illustrates my point or perhaps not but that's the only way I can think of to explain it at the moment.
> 
> Accessibility for Nisus Writer Pro has come a long way in such a short time, its totally unrecognisable now compared to what it was and I suggest that the upgrading of operating systems during that time has played a huge part in this as well as attention to detail and customer base on behalf of the developers, there's only one thing not accessible in Nisus Writer Pro now and that's tables but there are ways around that, I prefer to use the spreadsheet application Tables itself! if I want to do any tables work, very nice! A lot of people are under the illusion that you just use a spreadsheet application for adding up results and performing calculations? I was one of those who were under that impression but since I've played with spreadsheets I've discovered just how versatile they can be and they can be used for.. well just about anything including the creation of accessible and magnificient looking tables.
> 
> Regarding Open Office? Yes, I've used the Word Processor and I have no problem with it apart from some of the stuff there not being fully accessible yet.  There are a couple of things you need to bare in mind when using Open Office, every paragraph is in its own edit box, a bit hard to get used to at first but once you do its quite easy to navigate, the LINUX version does exactly the same thing.
> 
> Some different navigation and selection keystrokes in Open Office, they mimic the LINUX version.
> 
> By the way, did you know that some of Nisus Writers coding comes straight from Open Office?
> 
> 
> On 17/05/2010, at 7:30 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> OK, maybe some explanation and justification is called for here.  So et me take this point by point as it's starting to become an interesting discussion.
>> 
>> On 17 May 2010, at 09:59, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> You can easily create simple PDF documents in Nisus Writer, Open Office etc.
>> 
>> You have just put your finger right on the problem Dane, "simple" PDF documents.  Most Mac OSX applications worth their salt can do that.  But nothing more complex and that's my exact point.
>> 
>> I agree that its good we have a choice as to what we can use.
>> 
>> Of course it is.  Not everybody likes Pages, not everybody chooses to invest in it.
>> 
>> I've been using Pages ad Numbers and - compared to what I'm used to - I actually find them extremely "Clunky" and not as responsive to Nisus in the case of Pages and certainly falling below the standard of accessibility and navigation I get from Tables when it comes to Numbers <smile>. but its a case of whatever floats your boat and as you say, if you get the job done then 
>> 
>> In what way are they clumsy I wonder?  I'm just interested to know what it is about Pages, for instance, you find difficult to use.
>> 
>> As I say, I know people who successfully use Open Office for everything! how they manage it I don't know because there are some areas that just don't seem to be accessible yet but then again perhaps I'm doing something wrong at my end, I'm never afraid to admit that I'm wrong <smile>.
>> 
>> I dont much like what I've seen of Open Office, I have to be honest.  The only reason we even thought of it was because there's a total lack of support for DAISY publication on the Mac with the exception of the one primitive little plug-in for Open Office.  Lynne needs to be able to procu e DAISY content, and other than using Windows we seem to have no option.
>> 
>> I still haven't worked out how the hell you're supposed to create numbered lists in Nisus or should I say, how you're supposed to convert items in your list to numbered items, in Nisus Writer Pro you just highlight what you want and select "Numbered lists" from the "Lists" menu but it doesn't seem to be as straight forward as that in Pages, when I tried to select the "Numbered list" style from the toolbar I found it disabled.
>> 
>> I assume that was an error, and you meant to say in Pages.  I've never tried, but might soon because I have a job on the cards which will need something like that.
>> 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Mon May 17 19:46:40 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 19:46:40 +0100
Subject: Text to MP3 or other audio [was Re: VisioVoice or something]
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Hi Lynne, Esther et al, 

There is an Apple Script, which can create .mp3 files from text. If you have the InfoVox voices, I think you can tell the script to use them. When I remember where it is, I'll post back, unless of course, someone else does first.

TC
James 
On 17 May 2010, at 19:26, Esther wrote:

> Hi Lynne,
> 
> The GhostReader method is just like the one VisioVoice uses -- it's just a later edition that allows you to select MP3, AAC, etc. options.  (At least, my version of VisioVoice, admittedly old, only let you export to iTunes as an AIFF file).  I wrote this up using GhostReader, because I knew the newer interface let you select MP3, whereas I wasn't sure the older VisioVoice interface let you do this.  Also, very few people now are likely to spend the $249 for VisioVoice, while quite a lot of them might spend the extra $10 to get GhostReader along with an Infovox voice.  From your point of view, using GhostReader should have given you that "one-step" conversion, and you should have been able to select any of the voices you used with VisioVoice.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> 
> Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hello Esther
>> 
>> On 17 May 2010, at 17:01, Esther wrote:
>> ? I'll outline 3 possible ways you can make an audio file (which could be in MP3 format) from a text file.
>> 
>> Just to update this; we ended up using VisioVoice to do this and then converted the files to MP3 using Amadeus Pro. That turned out to be the quickest way as there were a batch of files she needed in MP3.
>> 
>> I appreciate the suggestions though.
>> 
>> Lynne
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 17 20:08:22 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 20:08:22 +0100
Subject: Text to MP3 or other audio [was Re: VisioVoice or something]
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Hello Esther


On 17 May 2010, at 19:26, Esther wrote:

? The GhostReader method is just like the one VisioVoice uses -- it's just a later edition that allows you to select MP3, AAC, etc. options.  (At least, my version of VisioVoice, admittedly old, only let you export to iTunes as an AIFF file).  I wrote this up using GhostReader, because I knew the newer interface let you select MP3, whereas I wasn't sure the older VisioVoice interface let you do this.  Also, very few people now are likely to spend the $249 for VisioVoice, while quite a lot of them might spend the extra $10 to get GhostReader along with an Infovox voice.  From your point of view, using GhostReader should have given you that "one-step" conversion, and you should have been able to select any of the voices you used with VisioVoice.

To be absolutely honest, I cannot remember whether I tried GhostReader or not. I certainly did try VisioVoice and only had 2 options: Export to iTunes audio which, I assumed, was an AIFF or AAC file, or export to audio file which automatically created an AIFF file.

The client only has an MP3 player that doesn't handle any other format than MP3. So I had little choice as needed it done for last Friday.

But I will need to do this again; so I will try your suggestions.  Thank you, they may save me some work if they do it in one-step.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 18 06:19:50 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 06:19:50 +0100
Subject: Problem with accessibility in Pages
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Hello Dane

I'm going to chip in with a few comments here if I may.

On 17 May 2010, at 11:00, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Okay perhaps I'd better explain what I mean by saying that Pages and Numbers have a "clunky" feel to them.

Clunky?

? I'm not meaning that they're totally unaccessible or anything like that, perhaps an example might be comparing the use of Pages and Numbers to using a Typewriter whereas I would say that I'm using Nisus Writer Pro and Tables on a computer! perhaps that better illustrates my point or perhaps not but that's the only way I can think of to explain it at the moment.

I have to say I disagree with that totally I'm afraid. I think that's a really poor illustration. But to each their own. :-)

? Accessibility for Nisus Writer Pro has come a long way in such a short time, its totally unrecognisable now compared to what it was and I suggest that the upgrading of operating systems during that time has played a huge part in this as well as attention to detail and customer base on behalf of the developers, there's only one thing not accessible in Nisus Writer Pro now and that's tables but there are ways around that, I prefer to use the spreadsheet application Tables itself! if I want to do any tables work, very nice! A lot of people are under the illusion that you just use a spreadsheet application for adding up results and performing calculations? I was one of those who were under that impression but since I've played with spreadsheets I've discovered just how versatile they can be and they can be used for.. well just about anything including the creation of accessible and magnificient looking tables.

I'm not sure what you mean by paying attention to its customer base? You just said yourself that you think the accessibility changes are largely related to the changes in the OS itself. So that being the case, wouldn't it be more appropriate to credit Apple themselves with that rather than the developers of Nisus?

I'm astonished as to your comments regarding Pages, to be honest. It seems universal, (with the exception, it seems, of grtdane), that Pages is being widely acclaimed as extremely accessible. And I'm not just talking about the traffic which has appeared on this list.

When I bought our licenses for iWork and iLife, it was a considered transaction. iLife, I knew at the time, lacked in accessibility; and still does, I'm sorry to say.

iWork, on the other hand, does not largely speaking have this problem. Pages in particular is extremely accessible.

I use Pages for absolutely all of my word processing requirements at work. Gordon uses Pages for all his word processing requirements at home. My employees have come to know how to use Pages and find it extremely user friendly, although they don't need accessibility, of course.

Nevertheless, Gordon has managed to produce some pretty sophisticated documents using Pages for use at both our respective work places. If he can, I'm sure you can.

Now, I'm not going to comment on Nisus until we've tried it; which we plan to do later today as we do own a licensed copy of that also.

? Regarding Open Office? Yes, I've used the Word Processor and I have no problem with it apart from some of the stuff there not being fully accessible yet.  There are a couple of things you need to bare in mind when using Open Office, every paragraph is in its own edit box, a bit hard to get used to at first but once you do its quite easy to navigate, the LINUX version does exactly the same thing.

That's not a route we'll go down I don't think. I'm not nocking it; because I haven't tried it. But why put each para in its own edit box? That seems really odd to me.

? Some different navigation and selection keystrokes in Open Office, they mimic the LINUX version.

That tels me nothing. Actually though, when you mention this it brings back a memory from my school days. We used to use a processor called Word Star or I think it might have been Wordstar, I can't remember now. But that thing was ugly! The command set was horrible and it used to take us ages to keep having to look things up as we used it. Thankfully those days are gone. That was before we even started using Windows I think. When the machines at school booted up they would come up with a C:\ or D:\ prompt and that was all. You had to type in lots of things just to get the thing to come up.

But that's straying way off topic for this list and I'm going to get told off by the moderator if I'm not careful. LOLOL.

Lynne


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 18 14:08:38 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 14:08:38 +0100
Subject: Sorting album tracks in iTunes
Message-ID: <D1638D2E-BC35-4565-AF95-386D3194CA33@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

I still cannot get this to work!  I have an album which was bought from the iTunes store.  All track are listed out of sequence in the Music source songs table.

I tried applying same album as the sort field, no joy.  I tried cut & pasting tracks using Command+X and Command+V as somebody told me that would work now.  But no, still won't work after I create a new playlist from selection using all the tracks of the album.

What am I missing please, somebody?  This is very very frustrating.

Gordon



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 18 19:20:16 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 04:20:16 +1000
Subject: BBC World Service AAC+ Audio stream
Message-ID: <0B0F88A4-9080-4D36-AAA5-590F0C14D8D3@internode.on.net>

Hi!

I don't have an exact url for this but you'll find it if you use OoTunes on your Iphone, clarity is brilliant! though levels are a little low, I wonder if the BBC are just testing with AAC+?



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 18 20:23:51 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 05:23:51 +1000
Subject: BBC Player Widgets
Message-ID: <B2D4CB2B-C117-4136-A564-F77EC0D1A5C8@internode.on.net>

Okay, well perhaps this url will help Gillian?

http://widgets.yahoo.com/widgets/bbc-radio-player/csort/new/cpage/6



From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Tue May 18 20:47:23 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 20:47:23 +0100
Subject: VO behaving strangely in SendSpace Wizard
Message-ID: <179CB4B0-E7FB-41EE-BCA9-0140F9333005@gmail.com>

Hi gang,

I am sending this on behalf of my better half, who has not yet had the time to subscribe to the list. So I hope that is okay. 

She is having an issue with SendSpace Wizard and VO, where even after rooting the mouse pointer to the desired location with VO Command F5, she cannot open the folder. After verifying that the mouse is indeed on the folder, she is told that the mouse is somewhere totally different, in fact, it is usually sitting in the previous application, despite VO reporting that it is on the folder. Cursor tracking is turned on, does anyone have any idea why this might be an how to fix it please? We have tried re-installing the app and deleting both the Wizard and VO's preferences.

Sorry if this is a little long-winded, but I wanted to make sure that I covered all the bases.

Thanks for any help 
TC
James 

From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 18 20:59:12 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 20:59:12 +0100
Subject: Password Retrieval
Message-ID: <26B071EC-E1CB-45BF-8038-6C3AA154DF8E@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

This is a long shot. But does anybody know of a way to retrieve or expose the password cache in Safari? We desperately need to retireve the password to a web site that's internal and there's no other way we can get it. It's a hardware device and the firmware has become corrupted so we need the password to use SSH to fix the problem. But we cannot find the record of what we used for some reason. This is mission critical.

Lynne



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 18 21:18:39 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 06:18:39 +1000
Subject: VO behaving strangely in SendSpace Wizard
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Message-ID: <BAD5A412-A77D-4589-B5D9-363AA613B341@internode.on.net>

hmm, that's a new one on me and I use Sendspace on a regular basis.

Now are you finding the folders before you route the mouse to them in the tables by interacting with them in Voiceover? Have you got Voiceover compatible mode enabled.

Now to give you an illustration of what I do when I launch the Sendspace Wizard, I first focus the application, then I use a shortcut key combination to get to whatever list I require, option-r for remote file list, option-l for local file list, option-t for the transfer information table, option-u to upload and so on.

Now suppose I select remote or local tables, I then interact with that table, find the file or folder I wish to work with, route the mouse to that location with vo-command f5 and press vo-shift-command-space twice quickly to simulate a "Double click", works here.


On 19/05/2010, at 5:47 AM, James & Nash wrote:

> Hi gang,
> 
> I am sending this on behalf of my better half, who has not yet had the time to subscribe to the list. So I hope that is okay. 
> 
> She is having an issue with SendSpace Wizard and VO, where even after rooting the mouse pointer to the desired location with VO Command F5, she cannot open the folder. After verifying that the mouse is indeed on the folder, she is told that the mouse is somewhere totally different, in fact, it is usually sitting in the previous application, despite VO reporting that it is on the folder. Cursor tracking is turned on, does anyone have any idea why this might be an how to fix it please? We have tried re-installing the app and deleting both the Wizard and VO's preferences.
> 
> Sorry if this is a little long-winded, but I wanted to make sure that I covered all the bases.
> 
> Thanks for any help 
> TC
> James 
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From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Wed May 19 07:51:25 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 08:51:25 +0200
Subject: Password Retrieval
In-Reply-To: <26B071EC-E1CB-45BF-8038-6C3AA154DF8E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Hello Lynne,

Have you looked in Safari Preferences under Autofill? Just click on Edit and you'll see all your user names and passwords.

Cheers,

Anne


On May 18, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> This is a long shot. But does anybody know of a way to retrieve or expose the password cache in Safari? We desperately need to retireve the password to a web site that's internal and there's no other way we can get it. It's a hardware device and the firmware has become corrupted so we need the password to use SSH to fix the problem. But we cannot find the record of what we used for some reason. This is mission critical.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Wed May 19 07:53:41 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 08:53:41 +0200
Subject: Password Retrieval
In-Reply-To: <26B071EC-E1CB-45BF-8038-6C3AA154DF8E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Hello again,

Sorry for the mistake in the previous reply, that little window shows the username and website which gives you what to look for in the keychain.

Cheers,

Anne


On May 18, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> This is a long shot. But does anybody know of a way to retrieve or expose the password cache in Safari? We desperately need to retireve the password to a web site that's internal and there's no other way we can get it. It's a hardware device and the firmware has become corrupted so we need the password to use SSH to fix the problem. But we cannot find the record of what we used for some reason. This is mission critical.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 19 10:55:41 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 10:55:41 +0100
Subject: Password Retrieval
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	<1A0907D6-1B0B-4B95-8C5C-9320AC610D86@anarchie.org.uk>
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Hi Anne

Not Lynne, she's at work.  But yes,I've looked in there.  I see the websites, ()although not the one I want), but I don't see any passwords for them.  I see several edit buttons and all they seem to show is the address book or the website names.

We really need to recover this password and cannot cvhange it due to a corrupt file system on the device that contains the password.  We can fix it via other means, but only if we can get hold of the password.

Thanks for all suggestions.

Gordon


On 19 May 2010, at 07:51, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello Lynne,

Have you looked in Safari Preferences under Autofill? Just click on Edit and you'll see all your user names and passwords.

Cheers,

Anne


On May 18, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> This is a long shot. But does anybody know of a way to retrieve or expose the password cache in Safari? We desperately need to retireve the password to a web site that's internal and there's no other way we can get it. It's a hardware device and the firmware has become corrupted so we need the password to use SSH to fix the problem. But we cannot find the record of what we used for some reason. This is mission critical.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
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From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Wed May 19 11:40:41 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 12:40:41 +0200
Subject: Password Retrieval
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	<1A0907D6-1B0B-4B95-8C5C-9320AC610D86@anarchie.org.uk>
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Hello Gordon,

Have you gone through everything in the Keychain utility? All your passwords should be there.

Cheers,

Anne


On May 19, 2010, at 11:55 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Anne
> 
> Not Lynne, she's at work.  But yes,I've looked in there.  I see the websites, ()although not the one I want), but I don't see any passwords for them.  I see several edit buttons and all they seem to show is the address book or the website names.
> 
> We really need to recover this password and cannot cvhange it due to a corrupt file system on the device that contains the password.  We can fix it via other means, but only if we can get hold of the password.
> 
> Thanks for all suggestions.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> On 19 May 2010, at 07:51, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
> Hello Lynne,
> 
> Have you looked in Safari Preferences under Autofill? Just click on Edit and you'll see all your user names and passwords.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On May 18, 2010, at 9:59 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hello everybody
>> 
>> This is a long shot. But does anybody know of a way to retrieve or expose the password cache in Safari? We desperately need to retireve the password to a web site that's internal and there's no other way we can get it. It's a hardware device and the firmware has become corrupted so we need the password to use SSH to fix the problem. But we cannot find the record of what we used for some reason. This is mission critical.
>> 
>> Lynne
>> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 19 14:02:49 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 14:02:49 +0100
Subject: Password Retrieval
In-Reply-To: <5A0A1DE8-6509-4E47-A876-561AA7562DB6@anarchie.org.uk>
References: <26B071EC-E1CB-45BF-8038-6C3AA154DF8E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<1A0907D6-1B0B-4B95-8C5C-9320AC610D86@anarchie.org.uk>
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Hi Anne

At the risk of offending others which, obviously, I don't want to do, god-damned drugs!

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.  Soon as you made the point I realised where I needed to go.  Took me all of 30 seconds after that to find what I wanted.

You've just helped us avoid a very large amount of hassle, so thank you very much indeed.

Gordon

On 19 May 2010, at 11:40, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello Gordon,

Have you gone through everything in the Keychain utility? All your passwords should be there.


From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Wed May 19 18:38:47 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 18:38:47 +0100
Subject: VO behaving strangely in SendSpace Wizard
In-Reply-To: <BAD5A412-A77D-4589-B5D9-363AA613B341@internode.on.net>
References: <179CB4B0-E7FB-41EE-BCA9-0140F9333005@gmail.com>
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Thanks Dane, we'll try this

TC
James 
On 18 May 2010, at 21:18, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> hmm, that's a new one on me and I use Sendspace on a regular basis.
> 
> Now are you finding the folders before you route the mouse to them in the tables by interacting with them in Voiceover? Have you got Voiceover compatible mode enabled.
> 
> Now to give you an illustration of what I do when I launch the Sendspace Wizard, I first focus the application, then I use a shortcut key combination to get to whatever list I require, option-r for remote file list, option-l for local file list, option-t for the transfer information table, option-u to upload and so on.
> 
> Now suppose I select remote or local tables, I then interact with that table, find the file or folder I wish to work with, route the mouse to that location with vo-command f5 and press vo-shift-command-space twice quickly to simulate a "Double click", works here.
> 
> 
> On 19/05/2010, at 5:47 AM, James & Nash wrote:
> 
>> Hi gang,
>> 
>> I am sending this on behalf of my better half, who has not yet had the time to subscribe to the list. So I hope that is okay. 
>> 
>> She is having an issue with SendSpace Wizard and VO, where even after rooting the mouse pointer to the desired location with VO Command F5, she cannot open the folder. After verifying that the mouse is indeed on the folder, she is told that the mouse is somewhere totally different, in fact, it is usually sitting in the previous application, despite VO reporting that it is on the folder. Cursor tracking is turned on, does anyone have any idea why this might be an how to fix it please? We have tried re-installing the app and deleting both the Wizard and VO's preferences.
>> 
>> Sorry if this is a little long-winded, but I wanted to make sure that I covered all the bases.
>> 
>> Thanks for any help 
>> TC
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 20 19:26:28 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 19:26:28 +0100
Subject: Clock Setting
Message-ID: <4B8C522F-3DC6-49CB-8F7E-5FAD3855FC8E@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello all

One of our machines we want to remain on UTC all year round, rather than changing to British Summer Time, (Bloody Silly Time), LOL.

Does anybody know of a way we can do this please? It seems to be another one of those example of Apple making assumptions again, assuming that everybody wants there clocks changed automatically.

Other than setting the location to non-UK which would cause other problems, we cannot think of a way around this problem.

Lynne



From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Thu May 20 19:38:48 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 20:38:48 +0200
Subject: Clock Setting
In-Reply-To: <4B8C522F-3DC6-49CB-8F7E-5FAD3855FC8E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <4B8C522F-3DC6-49CB-8F7E-5FAD3855FC8E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <678FF7DE-E3C8-4659-937C-952D980AD11D@anarchie.org.uk>

Hello Lynne,

Have you tried unchecking the "Set date and time automatically" check box in the Date & Time pane of System Preferences? That should solve your problem.

Cheers,

Anne


On May 20, 2010, at 8:26 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello all
> 
> One of our machines we want to remain on UTC all year round, rather than changing to British Summer Time, (Bloody Silly Time), LOL.
> 
> Does anybody know of a way we can do this please? It seems to be another one of those example of Apple making assumptions again, assuming that everybody wants there clocks changed automatically.
> 
> Other than setting the location to non-UK which would cause other problems, we cannot think of a way around this problem.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 20 20:41:20 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 20:41:20 +0100
Subject: Clock Setting
In-Reply-To: <678FF7DE-E3C8-4659-937C-952D980AD11D@anarchie.org.uk>
References: <4B8C522F-3DC6-49CB-8F7E-5FAD3855FC8E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Hello Anne

On 20 May 2010, at 19:38, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello Lynne,

Have you tried unchecking the "Set date and time automatically" check box in the Date & Time pane of System Preferences? That should solve your problem.
No, I think you've misunderstood me. We want the time correct, but we want the machine to remain on UTC, not BST. So in other words, we want the time to take corrections from a NTP server; (our own server to be exact), but not to keep advancing the time by an hour ahead of UTC.

The only options for the time zone are BST and GMT+1 which amount to the same thing.

Lynne

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 21 17:55:41 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 17:55:41 +0100
Subject: I still can't get my head around this!
Message-ID: <5793D310-5295-41C8-A0DE-66F3FF4201A3@tft-bbs.co.uk>

OK, what the bleeping heck am I doing wrong here!  What I thought should work when editing files with this thing, Amadeus Pro, just doesn't work for me.

Again, I'm going to outline the steps I'm using and if somebody could please tell me without it becoming a major incident, what I'm doing wrong I would be grateful.  Again I'm not trying to make excuses but things just won't stick in my head at the moment.

1.  I start a file playing and move using the cursor keys to the point in a file I want to edit.

2.  I press Command+Y to locate the insertion pointer to the play head.

3.  I hit the unmodified letter M key to insert a marker.

4.  I try to resume playback by hitting the space bar. But guess what, playback goes to the start of the file.

So what on earth is going on?  I know this is user error and I'm getting more and more frustrated by this.

Yours most frustratedly
Gordon


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri May 21 18:09:01 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 03:09:01 +1000
Subject: I still can't get my head around this!
In-Reply-To: <5793D310-5295-41C8-A0DE-66F3FF4201A3@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <5793D310-5295-41C8-A0DE-66F3FF4201A3@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5D766B2A-A126-4C37-89C3-50405325005D@internode.on.net>

Okay well before frustration spreads across the world, I'm going to try your procedure on my computer here and see what happens because I can't find fault with it but before we go any further, have you checked to see if the markers are actually being generated when you press "m"? You can do this by going into the markers window.

Can't get your heard around the problem? No of course not, head's too large to get around the problem mate <smile>, I'll let you know what I find.


On 22/05/2010, at 2:55 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> OK, what the bleeping heck am I doing wrong here!  What I thought should work when editing files with this thing, Amadeus Pro, just doesn't work for me.
> 
> Again, I'm going to outline the steps I'm using and if somebody could please tell me without it becoming a major incident, what I'm doing wrong I would be grateful.  Again I'm not trying to make excuses but things just won't stick in my head at the moment.
> 
> 1.  I start a file playing and move using the cursor keys to the point in a file I want to edit.
> 
> 2.  I press Command+Y to locate the insertion pointer to the play head.
> 
> 3.  I hit the unmodified letter M key to insert a marker.
> 
> 4.  I try to resume playback by hitting the space bar. But guess what, playback goes to the start of the file.
> 
> So what on earth is going on?  I know this is user error and I'm getting more and more frustrated by this.
> 
> Yours most frustratedly
> Gordon
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri May 21 18:15:04 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 03:15:04 +1000
Subject: I still can't get my head around this!
In-Reply-To: <5793D310-5295-41C8-A0DE-66F3FF4201A3@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <5793D310-5295-41C8-A0DE-66F3FF4201A3@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7367DB84-C470-447C-A47F-1399F49D8DBB@internode.on.net>

Okay, I followed your procedure and everything worked as it should and just to recap what I did.

I opened my file with amadeus pro, pressed space to start the file playing and moved the cursor to the point where i wished to place my first marker, I pressed space again to stop playback.  I then pressed "m" to place my marker and pressed space to resume playback, playback resumed etc.

Now a suggestion which I noticed in the software preferences under general, do you have Playback behaviour set correctly? I have mine set to "If Selection Is Empty Play From Insertion Point".


On 22/05/2010, at 2:55 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> OK, what the bleeping heck am I doing wrong here!  What I thought should work when editing files with this thing, Amadeus Pro, just doesn't work for me.
> 
> Again, I'm going to outline the steps I'm using and if somebody could please tell me without it becoming a major incident, what I'm doing wrong I would be grateful.  Again I'm not trying to make excuses but things just won't stick in my head at the moment.
> 
> 1.  I start a file playing and move using the cursor keys to the point in a file I want to edit.
> 
> 2.  I press Command+Y to locate the insertion pointer to the play head.
> 
> 3.  I hit the unmodified letter M key to insert a marker.
> 
> 4.  I try to resume playback by hitting the space bar. But guess what, playback goes to the start of the file.
> 
> So what on earth is going on?  I know this is user error and I'm getting more and more frustrated by this.
> 
> Yours most frustratedly
> Gordon
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 21 18:58:54 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 18:58:54 +0100
Subject: I still can't get my head around this!
In-Reply-To: <7367DB84-C470-447C-A47F-1399F49D8DBB@internode.on.net>
References: <5793D310-5295-41C8-A0DE-66F3FF4201A3@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<7367DB84-C470-447C-A47F-1399F49D8DBB@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <CDAA5691-F4D3-4E52-9359-3039CF5E9D89@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Right!  That was my problem, the preference setting and now it works fine. What was happening, according to Lynne as she watched me move around the file, was that the insertion pointer wasn't moving to the correct place even when I pressed Command+Y.  Now it is, so that must have been it.  Thank you, now I can get on with the job!



On 21 May 2010, at 18:15, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Okay, I followed your procedure and everything worked as it should and just to recap what I did.


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri May 21 19:26:08 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 04:26:08 +1000
Subject: I still can't get my head around this!
In-Reply-To: <CDAA5691-F4D3-4E52-9359-3039CF5E9D89@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <5793D310-5295-41C8-A0DE-66F3FF4201A3@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<7367DB84-C470-447C-A47F-1399F49D8DBB@internode.on.net>
	<CDAA5691-F4D3-4E52-9359-3039CF5E9D89@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <5C5EB768-D89C-4AF6-8C62-DDFD995B7458@internode.on.net>

You bring up an interesting point, I don't mind the concept of the playhead and insertion point but I'd like to see a keyboard command which could act as a switch, press the command to have "Insertion point follow playhead"?


On 22/05/2010, at 3:58 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Right!  That was my problem, the preference setting and now it works fine. What was happening, according to Lynne as she watched me move around the file, was that the insertion pointer wasn't moving to the correct place even when I pressed Command+Y.  Now it is, so that must have been it.  Thank you, now I can get on with the job!
> 
> 
> 
> On 21 May 2010, at 18:15, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Okay, I followed your procedure and everything worked as it should and just to recap what I did.
> 
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From moriond at mac.com  Fri May 21 23:31:37 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 12:31:37 -1000
Subject: O'Reilly eBook Deal - today only,
	any eBook on sale for $9.99 (except MicroSoft Press titles)
Message-ID: <C85D6FD6-A577-4010-90A9-BC18C3B4A65F@mac.com>

Hi All,

Today only (May 21, 2010), you can buy any of the DRM-free eBooks at  
oreilly.com for $9.99 with the coupon code "FAVFA" (without the  
quotation marks) on check out.  URL of the store:
http://oreilly.com/store/index.html
These are DRM-free, and only the MicroSoft Press titles are not  
included.

Cheers,

Esther


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May 22 11:42:10 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 11:42:10 +0100
Subject: Removing Connected Server Cache
Message-ID: <6D820894-A2C9-4DE7-B7AF-5435A12A1C5C@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

Anybody know a way to remove the cache of items to which your Mac has previously connected on a given server?

I ask because one of our network servers has been radically modified and the drive list that shows up in our MacBook's "Goto" cache is obsolete and won't go away.

This is one reason why I don't like the idea of caching everything, and I always turn off caching where possible.  What happens if, for example, your MacBook falls into the wrong hands?


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May 22 13:18:12 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 13:18:12 +0100
Subject: I still can't get my head around this!
In-Reply-To: <5C5EB768-D89C-4AF6-8C62-DDFD995B7458@internode.on.net>
References: <5793D310-5295-41C8-A0DE-66F3FF4201A3@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<7367DB84-C470-447C-A47F-1399F49D8DBB@internode.on.net>
	<CDAA5691-F4D3-4E52-9359-3039CF5E9D89@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<5C5EB768-D89C-4AF6-8C62-DDFD995B7458@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <C640D911-B54B-4E3F-A9E5-BBEE684E0779@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 21 May 2010, at 19:26, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? You bring up an interesting point, I don't mind the concept of the playhead and insertion point but I'd like to see a keyboard command which could act as a switch, press the command to have "Insertion point follow playhead"?

You're now echoing what Gordon said on the list a couple of weeks ago when you argued with him over this.  and, at that time, you "shot him down". Maybe you misunderstood his meaning at the time.

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sat May 22 17:40:44 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 02:40:44 +1000
Subject: Updating podcasts on Iphone
Message-ID: <E4D27F1C-CF2B-4057-8D83-4DE7F0CA653A@internode.on.net>

Does anyone know how this is done on the Iphone? Can't seem to find  
any reference to this anywhere in the Ipod app, no doubt I'n missing  
something?


Sent from Dane's Ophone +61457756048

From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May 22 18:34:54 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:34:54 +0100
Subject: Max Ripper with compilation CDs
Message-ID: <5E7AE13D-DA17-46C4-A69D-B81CB4415387@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello all

Using Max Ripper, how does one add individual artists to a various artists compilation when you want to rip from CD? I cannot find a way to encode with XLD in the format I want. So looks like I'll have to use max Ripper.

Lynne



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May 22 21:58:09 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 21:58:09 +0100
Subject: iPad Accessibility
Message-ID: <5B609EA4-9501-4A79-9F09-24039D27DB2B@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Anybody happen to know where the iPad Accessibility User guide is to be found?


From david.mclean at cox.net  Sat May 22 22:07:44 2010
From: david.mclean at cox.net (David McLean)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 17:07:44 -0400
Subject: iPad Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <5B609EA4-9501-4A79-9F09-24039D27DB2B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <5B609EA4-9501-4A79-9F09-24039D27DB2B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8DA7D897-0CD5-40AA-A442-AA071431BA99@cox.net>

You can find an html copy of it at www.icanworkthisthing.com.
It's on the Apple website also  of course but it's easier to find on the other site.
On May 22, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Anybody happen to know where the iPad Accessibility User guide is to be found?
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May 22 22:10:48 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 22:10:48 +0100
Subject: Utter Insanity!
Message-ID: <2101E08D-2E7F-4D9B-8097-A3E9B061DEA2@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all.

I thought I'd seen the worst of the BBC, but now I've seen it all I think.

The BBC has just released a "BBC News iPad App", allowing you to get the latest breaking news on your iPad in the news genres which interest you.

It also allows you to watch extracts from BBC World Television and more besides.

The BBC New iPad app is available for free download from the Apple App Store.  But guess what ... it's only available in the United States!

The BBC is, suppsedly, a British broadcasting organisation whose primary audience is British.  I'm just lost for words at this sheer insanity.  It's total madness, bordering on the criminal given who pays for the BBC.

I'm gobsmacked!


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May 22 22:12:53 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 22:12:53 +0100
Subject: iPad Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <8DA7D897-0CD5-40AA-A442-AA071431BA99@cox.net>
References: <5B609EA4-9501-4A79-9F09-24039D27DB2B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<8DA7D897-0CD5-40AA-A442-AA071431BA99@cox.net>
Message-ID: <94E42A33-17EE-4E48-BAF9-F28735C41331@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi David

Thanks.  It occurs though, I wonder if Apple knows about this having been done?  Just a curiosity, based on how jealously Apple guards its intellectual properties.


On 22 May 2010, at 22:07, David McLean wrote:

You can find an html copy of it at www.icanworkthisthing.com.
It's on the Apple website also  of course but it's easier to find on the other site.
On May 22, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Anybody happen to know where the iPad Accessibility User guide is to be found?
> 
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From moriond at mac.com  Sat May 22 22:14:33 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 11:14:33 -1000
Subject: iPad Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <5B609EA4-9501-4A79-9F09-24039D27DB2B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <5B609EA4-9501-4A79-9F09-24039D27DB2B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <564BF2CC-EE3B-4163-A901-F56F7F04FFAC@mac.com>

Hi Gordon,

Gordon Smith wrote:

> Anybody happen to know where the iPad Accessibility User guide is to  
> be found?

There's a PDF version of the iPad User's Guide you can download from  
Apple's Manuals page:
http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/iPad_User_Guide.pdf
Chapter 16 (pages 105 to 115) covers Accessibility.

Please note that nobody I know has been able to find the language  
rotor, described at the bottom of page 109,  under "Settings > General  
 > Accessibility > VoiceOver".  If you try any iPad set up in an Apple  
Store, you'll find the language rotor at the bottom of the VoiceOver  
screen (below "Typing Feedback", "Use Phonetics", and "Use Pitch  
Change"), and once you check the languages you want to use, you can  
set the language rotor to read with a different English voice, or a  
different language voice, just as described in the User's Guide.

It's a mystery why this setting is not present on iPads that are  
individually purchased, but set up through iTunes.  I've checked with  
my local Genius Bar, and also sent an email to Apple's accessibility  
team, but haven't had an answer on this.  A step by step comparison of  
the "About" settings shows that we're running the same version of the  
operating system, etc.  They just did their installation from a  
distribution disk.

Cheers,

Esther

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May 22 22:28:45 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 22:28:45 +0100
Subject: iPad RNIB Review
Message-ID: <3C841DF6-9AEB-4C8E-87F6-BB0EA84FDC97@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

OK, sorry, I owe the BBC an apology.  I've just seen something even more insane!  A "review" of the iPad and accessibility done by a partially sighted volunteer for the RNIB (Royal National Institute of Blind People) here in the UK.

I would willingly send you a copy if you want to read this document.  I'm sorry, but some of the comments in this document are just plain stupidity.

Well, just my view.  One thing that made me laugh was:

"It is just a shame that VoiceOver is not turned on by default. Then you would be able to use the iPad right out of the box", or words to that effect.

If you want to see it and cannot google find it, let either Lynne or myself know.


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May 22 22:33:26 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 22:33:26 +0100
Subject: iPad Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <564BF2CC-EE3B-4163-A901-F56F7F04FFAC@mac.com>
References: <5B609EA4-9501-4A79-9F09-24039D27DB2B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<564BF2CC-EE3B-4163-A901-F56F7F04FFAC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6C2E0F3E-E10D-4703-8822-14AC4AB2647B@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Esther

Thanks, yes, I did download the manual.  But I thought there was an additional guide dedicated to accessibility.  Thanks for the info.


On 22 May 2010, at 22:14, Esther wrote:

Hi Gordon,

Gordon Smith wrote:

> Anybody happen to know where the iPad Accessibility User guide is to be found?

There's a PDF version of the iPad User's Guide you can download from Apple's Manuals page:
http://manuals.info.apple.com/en_US/iPad_User_Guide.pdf
Chapter 16 (pages 105 to 115) covers Accessibility.

Please note that nobody I know has been able to find the language rotor, described at the bottom of page 109,  under "Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver".  If you try any iPad set up in an Apple Store, you'll find the language rotor at the bottom of the VoiceOver screen (below "Typing Feedback", "Use Phonetics", and "Use Pitch Change"), and once you check the languages you want to use, you can set the language rotor to read with a different English voice, or a different language voice, just as described in the User's Guide.

It's a mystery why this setting is not present on iPads that are individually purchased, but set up through iTunes.  I've checked with my local Genius Bar, and also sent an email to Apple's accessibility team, but haven't had an answer on this.  A step by step comparison of the "About" settings shows that we're running the same version of the operating system, etc.  They just did their installation from a distribution disk.

Cheers,

Esther
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From moriond at mac.com  Sat May 22 23:00:57 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 12:00:57 -1000
Subject: New Google Phone Service Spoof [was Re: iPad RNIB Review]
In-Reply-To: <3C841DF6-9AEB-4C8E-87F6-BB0EA84FDC97@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <3C841DF6-9AEB-4C8E-87F6-BB0EA84FDC97@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3E909E1F-E2D6-4F2E-932D-FA197E419CE9@mac.com>

Hi Gordon,

Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
>
> OK, sorry, I owe the BBC an apology.  I've just seen something even  
> more insane!  A "review" of the iPad and accessibility done by a  
> partially sighted volunteer for the RNIB (Royal National Institute  
> of Blind People) here in the UK.
<snip>
> One thing that made me laugh was:

> "It is just a shame that VoiceOver is not turned on by default. Then  
> you would be able to use the iPad right out of the box", or words to  
> that effect.

Yes, I read this review, too. On another humorous note, I liked the  
Onion News Report, "New Google Phone Service Whispers Targeted Ads  
Directly Into Users' Ears":
<http://www.theonion.com/video/new-google-phone-service-whispers-targeted-ads-dir,17470/ 
 >
It's clearly targeted at Apple's iAds and ringtones sales.  I remember  
John Gunn posted a link to the Onion New Report spoof on the "MacBook  
Wheel" a year ago that was pretty funny.

Cheers,

Esther

From moriond at mac.com  Sat May 22 22:29:20 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 11:29:20 -1000
Subject: Utter Insanity!
In-Reply-To: <2101E08D-2E7F-4D9B-8097-A3E9B061DEA2@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <2101E08D-2E7F-4D9B-8097-A3E9B061DEA2@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <19C9E487-AA73-421A-BE8B-2A2D1EDD1447@mac.com>

Hi Gordon,

You wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> I thought I'd seen the worst of the BBC, but now I've seen it all I  
> think.
>
> The BBC has just released a "BBC News iPad App", allowing you to get  
> the latest breaking news on your iPad in the news genres which  
> interest you.
>
> It also allows you to watch extracts from BBC World Television and  
> more besides.
>
> The BBC New iPad app is available for free download from the Apple  
> App Store.  But guess what ... it's only available in the United  
> States!

This sounds like the NHL video iPhone app that is only available for  
the UK  and Europe, but not for North America where the National  
Hockey League is based.  This came up because a number of iPhone users  
wanted to follow the Stanley Cup playoffs.  It turns out that there  
is, at least, an NHL Ice Time app that was released for the iPad only  
(for users in the  U.S.).  Two months ago earlier was an article:
"NHL Launches Nifty Video iPhone App (That Only Works Outside North  
America)" by Staci D. Kramer, March 21, 2010
<begin quote>
Every so often, we run up against a harsh reminder that not all iTunes  
stores are created equal. Rights issues?as in carriers other than  
AT&T have exclusive rights?will keep North American hockey fans from  
access to NHL Ice Time 2010, a new freemium iPhone app being launched  
by the National Hockey League this week in the UK and Europe. Why  
there? Simple math: nearly one-fifth of NHL.com uniques come from  
Europe?and nearly one-third of European mobile access comes from an  
iPhone/iTouch.
<end quote>

Cheers,

Esther


From david.mclean at cox.net  Sat May 22 23:35:47 2010
From: david.mclean at cox.net (David McLean)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:35:47 -0400
Subject: iPad Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <94E42A33-17EE-4E48-BAF9-F28735C41331@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <5B609EA4-9501-4A79-9F09-24039D27DB2B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<8DA7D897-0CD5-40AA-A442-AA071431BA99@cox.net>
	<94E42A33-17EE-4E48-BAF9-F28735C41331@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <142CC05A-F8F1-4F02-A9BB-68E92BC7614B@cox.net>

Don't know but this site has had various manuals for several years now so it appears it will be around for the immediate future anyway.
On May 22, 2010, at 5:12 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi David
> 
> Thanks.  It occurs though, I wonder if Apple knows about this having been done?  Just a curiosity, based on how jealously Apple guards its intellectual properties.
> 
> 
> On 22 May 2010, at 22:07, David McLean wrote:
> 
> You can find an html copy of it at www.icanworkthisthing.com.
> It's on the Apple website also  of course but it's easier to find on the other site.
> On May 22, 2010, at 4:58 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Anybody happen to know where the iPad Accessibility User guide is to be found?
>> 
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From n0oxy at charter.net  Sun May 23 00:26:09 2010
From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:26:09 -0500
Subject: vmware tools on the mac side
In-Reply-To: <5E7AE13D-DA17-46C4-A69D-B81CB4415387@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <5E7AE13D-DA17-46C4-A69D-B81CB4415387@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <EBD5029F-5C65-4279-B187-CF26A7638286@charter.net>

Hi everyone, first, I got a new toy yesterday, a brand new macbook, and it's the new model with the 10 batterylife. So far I love it, I'm also going to buy one more mini from a friend of mine, I think that will last me for a while. Anyway, for those who use fusion, I know the vmware tools for windows includes things like drivers for the video, etc. But does anyone know what the vmware tools for the mac does? I'm not sure if that's what allows you to copy and paste between windows and the mac side. I didn't bother installing the tools for the mac since I want to keep windows and the mac as separated as possible, admitedly, I only use windows when I have no other alternative, I do the majority of things on the mac side.

From n0oxy at charter.net  Sun May 23 00:29:29 2010
From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo)
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 18:29:29 -0500
Subject: Utter Insanity!
In-Reply-To: <2101E08D-2E7F-4D9B-8097-A3E9B061DEA2@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <2101E08D-2E7F-4D9B-8097-A3E9B061DEA2@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <82E2B96F-1354-4D01-A32D-078F3C4362D9@charter.net>

I'm an American, and I agree that this makes no sense. I mean, if they want to also offer it in the United States, fine. But you would think they would make it available in their home country first, that is nuts.
On May 22, 2010, at 4:10 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> I thought I'd seen the worst of the BBC, but now I've seen it all I think.
> 
> The BBC has just released a "BBC News iPad App", allowing you to get the latest breaking news on your iPad in the news genres which interest you.
> 
> It also allows you to watch extracts from BBC World Television and more besides.
> 
> The BBC New iPad app is available for free download from the Apple App Store.  But guess what ... it's only available in the United States!
> 
> The BBC is, suppsedly, a British broadcasting organisation whose primary audience is British.  I'm just lost for words at this sheer insanity.  It's total madness, bordering on the criminal given who pays for the BBC.
> 
> I'm gobsmacked!
> 
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> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May 23 08:11:50 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 08:11:50 +0100
Subject: New Google Phone Service Spoof [was Re: iPad RNIB Review]
In-Reply-To: <3E909E1F-E2D6-4F2E-932D-FA197E419CE9@mac.com>
References: <3C841DF6-9AEB-4C8E-87F6-BB0EA84FDC97@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<3E909E1F-E2D6-4F2E-932D-FA197E419CE9@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A58D35CE-795D-49F9-8540-419078AB9C16@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Esther

I think that, if organisations such as the RNIB over here, AFB in the states o, and don't forget ACB, are going to get people to test these things out, they should at least have the work done by people who know what they're about.

Honestly, expecting Apple to enable VoiceOver by default on a main stream app of which a vast minority are visually impaired, that is just ridiculous.  As for the other reports, what a shame these people don't have better things to do with their time than waste it on pointless and unhelpful garbage like that.

Some people need to get a life I think, then learn to live it!

Gordon

On 22 May 2010, at 23:00, Esther wrote:

Yes, I read this review, too. On another humorous note, I liked the Onion News Report, "New Google Phone Service Whispers Targeted Ads Directly Into Users' Ears":
<http://www.theonion.com/video/new-google-phone-service-whispers-targeted-ads-dir,17470/>
It's clearly targeted at Apple's iAds and ringtones sales.  I remember John Gunn posted a link to the Onion New Report spoof on the "MacBook Wheel" a year ago that was pretty funny.


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May 23 08:17:55 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 08:17:55 +0100
Subject: Utter Insanity!
In-Reply-To: <19C9E487-AA73-421A-BE8B-2A2D1EDD1447@mac.com>
References: <2101E08D-2E7F-4D9B-8097-A3E9B061DEA2@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<19C9E487-AA73-421A-BE8B-2A2D1EDD1447@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C593C8EC-BA8C-40D2-A31E-E4EEFCCD92F2@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Esther

Yes, this is just as bad.  I mean, hockey isn't even a high profile sport in the UK.  It'd be a bit like the BBC broadcasting Test Match Special on US prime time television.  Wait .... no .... I'd better withdraw that suggestion .... they're just likely to go and do it!

What, IO hear you asking, is Test Match Special?  Exactly Esther .... it's a cricket coverage programme and now, I hear you all asking what the bleep is cricket?

Fair question ... it's not your game.  This is all pure insanity and yes, it does indeed show that all iTunes stores were not created equal.  Nor, it seems, were the brains of all developers.

On 22 May 2010, at 22:29, Esther wrote:

This sounds like the NHL video iPhone app that is only available for the UK  and Europe, but not for North America where the National Hockey League is based.  This came up because a number of iPhone users wanted to follow the Stanley Cup playoffs.  It turns out that there is, at least, an NHL Ice Time app that was released for the iPad only (for users in the  U.S.).  Two months ago earlier was an article:
"NHL Launches Nifty Video iPhone App (That Only Works Outside North America)" by Staci D. Kramer, March 21, 2010

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May 23 08:19:59 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 08:19:59 +0100
Subject: iPad Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <142CC05A-F8F1-4F02-A9BB-68E92BC7614B@cox.net>
References: <5B609EA4-9501-4A79-9F09-24039D27DB2B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<8DA7D897-0CD5-40AA-A442-AA071431BA99@cox.net>
	<94E42A33-17EE-4E48-BAF9-F28735C41331@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<142CC05A-F8F1-4F02-A9BB-68E92BC7614B@cox.net>
Message-ID: <17403FA2-BC1A-44B2-A6F7-7D491CC81AF2@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi David

Don't get me wrong here, I hope it stays around.  It's a good facility.  I jut wondered whether Apple knew about their products documentation being copied that's all because they say specifically that no unauthorised reproduction, electronic or otherwise is permitted.

Gordon

On 22 May 2010, at 23:35, David McLean wrote:

Don't know but this site has had various manuals for several years now so it appears it will be around for the immediate future anyway.

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May 23 08:22:30 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 08:22:30 +0100
Subject: vmware tools on the mac side
In-Reply-To: <EBD5029F-5C65-4279-B187-CF26A7638286@charter.net>
References: <5E7AE13D-DA17-46C4-A69D-B81CB4415387@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<EBD5029F-5C65-4279-B187-CF26A7638286@charter.net>
Message-ID: <C883313D-8893-4217-8E10-F31CAFEB33CB@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Mike

Where are they located?  Neither Lynne nor I have ever seen those.

On 23 May 2010, at 00:26, Mike Arrigo wrote:

Hi everyone, first, I got a new toy yesterday, a brand new macbook, and it's the new model with the 10 batterylife. So far I love it, I'm also going to buy one more mini from a friend of mine, I think that will last me for a while. Anyway, for those who use fusion, I know the vmware tools for windows includes things like drivers for the video, etc. But does anyone know what the vmware tools for the mac does? I'm not sure if that's what allows you to copy and paste between windows and the mac side. I didn't bother installing the tools for the mac since I want to keep windows and the mac as separated as possible, admitedly, I only use windows when I have no other alternative, I do the majority of things on the mac side.

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May 23 08:24:59 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 08:24:59 +0100
Subject: Utter Insanity!
In-Reply-To: <82E2B96F-1354-4D01-A32D-078F3C4362D9@charter.net>
References: <2101E08D-2E7F-4D9B-8097-A3E9B061DEA2@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<82E2B96F-1354-4D01-A32D-078F3C4362D9@charter.net>
Message-ID: <52121F48-04AE-4957-A503-B7E1AD0B0C9B@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Mike

You're quite right.  I know that we have at least one BBC insider on this list.  Perhaps Jonathan would like to explain the BBC's logic here?

Gordon


On 23 May 2010, at 00:29, Mike Arrigo wrote:

I'm an American, and I agree that this makes no sense. I mean, if they want to also offer it in the United States, fine. But you would think they would make it available in their home country first, that is nuts.

From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May 23 08:52:51 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 08:52:51 +0100
Subject: Online Apple Store Query
Message-ID: <FBBE4C58-0F12-4A19-A319-63A298341472@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody; and a very good Summer's Sunday morning to you. It looks like it's going to be another scorcher here in the UK; and I for one am not complaining!

Anyway, to my point. Does anybody know whether there is a way to merge Apple Store Online orders into a single order without cancelling them and re-ordering? The items have not yet shipped; and I suppose I could do that. But I'd really rather not.

Lynne



From david.mclean at cox.net  Sun May 23 11:47:57 2010
From: david.mclean at cox.net (David McLean)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 06:47:57 -0400
Subject: iPad Accessibility
In-Reply-To: <17403FA2-BC1A-44B2-A6F7-7D491CC81AF2@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Yup no problem.  I found it myself by doing a search so I'm sure someone from Apple could as easily find it.  They have all kinds of Apple related doc about Voiceover on the  site.  I have no idea who is running the site though.
On May 23, 2010, at 3:19 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi David
> 
> Don't get me wrong here, I hope it stays around.  It's a good facility.  I jut wondered whether Apple knew about their products documentation being copied that's all because they say specifically that no unauthorised reproduction, electronic or otherwise is permitted.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 22 May 2010, at 23:35, David McLean wrote:
> 
> Don't know but this site has had various manuals for several years now so it appears it will be around for the immediate future anyway.
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From n0oxy at charter.net  Sun May 23 15:11:57 2010
From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 09:11:57 -0500
Subject: en I can so I know exactly what is getting added to my system.
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When you install vmware fusion 3, if you choose the custom install, the option is listed. I always do custom installs wh
On May 23, 2010, at 2:22 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Mike
> 
> Where are they located?  Neither Lynne nor I have ever seen those.
> 
> On 23 May 2010, at 00:26, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone, first, I got a new toy yesterday, a brand new macbook, and it's the new model with the 10 batterylife. So far I love it, I'm also going to buy one more mini from a friend of mine, I think that will last me for a while. Anyway, for those who use fusion, I know the vmware tools for windows includes things like drivers for the video, etc. But does anyone know what the vmware tools for the mac does? I'm not sure if that's what allows you to copy and paste between windows and the mac side. I didn't bother installing the tools for the mac since I want to keep windows and the mac as separated as possible, admitedly, I only use windows when I have no other alternative, I do the majority of things on the mac side.
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May 23 18:45:09 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 18:45:09 +0100
Subject: en I can so I know exactly what is getting added to my system.
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Hello Mike

On 23 May 2010, at 15:11, Mike Arrigo wrote:

? When you install vmware fusion 3, if you choose the custom install, the option is listed. I always do custom installs wh

The tools are there for seamless integration. They're automatically installed if you do a typical installation of the application. If not, you are given the option as you say.

If you elect not to install the tools but, later, opt for seamless integration between guest and host operating systems, you are prompted to install the tools.

I hope that helps.

Lynne


From cjsims3000 at gmail.com  Sun May 23 20:52:27 2010
From: cjsims3000 at gmail.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 05:52:27 +1000
Subject: en I can so I know exactly what is getting added to my system.
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Hi Mike, and list.  Yes that is what the tools are.  How long have you had VMware 3 installed?  Do you get any issues like the one that some people have spoken about where the only way around things is to turn Voiceover off while your on the windows side?  
Christopher Sims
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On 24/05/2010, at 12:11 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> When you install vmware fusion 3, if you choose the custom install, the option is listed. I always do custom installs wh
> On May 23, 2010, at 2:22 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mike
>> 
>> Where are they located?  Neither Lynne nor I have ever seen those.
>> 
>> On 23 May 2010, at 00:26, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone, first, I got a new toy yesterday, a brand new macbook, and it's the new model with the 10 batterylife. So far I love it, I'm also going to buy one more mini from a friend of mine, I think that will last me for a while. Anyway, for those who use fusion, I know the vmware tools for windows includes things like drivers for the video, etc. But does anyone know what the vmware tools for the mac does? I'm not sure if that's what allows you to copy and paste between windows and the mac side. I didn't bother installing the tools for the mac since I want to keep windows and the mac as separated as possible, admitedly, I only use windows when I have no other alternative, I do the majority of things on the mac side.
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 24 05:50:12 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 05:50:12 +0100
Subject: en I can so I know exactly what is getting added to my system.
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Hello Christopher

On 23 May 2010, at 20:52, Christopher Sims wrote:

? Yes that is what the tools are.  How long have you had VMware 3 installed?  Do you get any issues like the one that some people have spoken about where the only way around things is to turn Voiceover off while your on the windows side?  

This is not Mike, but Lynne. :-) I thought you might find our situation interesting because it makes a lot of difference.

If you install the Boot Camp drivers, (3.1 updates included), those VoiceOver issues go away. So this is not a Fusion problem.

I thought people might find that of interest.

Lynne


From moriond at mac.com  Mon May 24 06:05:11 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 19:05:11 -1000
Subject: Tracking Orders [was Re: Online Apple Store Query]
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Hi Lynne,

You wrote:
> Anyway, to my point. Does anybody know whether there is a way to  
> merge Apple Store Online orders into a single order without  
> cancelling them and re-ordering? The items have not yet shipped; and  
> I suppose I could do that. But I'd really rather not.

I don't know of any way to merge Apple Store online orders.  If you  
cancel and re-order you may be placed later in the shipping queue,  
however, so you might want to consider that.  Also, at least the  
experience in the U.S. was that every item shipped separately when it  
became available.

There's a very good package tracking app called "Delivery Status  
Touch" by Junecloud, LLC ($4.99). At $4.99 it's on the more expensive  
side for iPhone apps, but I think it's worth it.  As one forum poster  
on another list mentioned last November, it updates the delivery  
status even before the shipper's web site interface makes the  
information available.  (The comment was specifically made about UPS  
-- United Parcel Service in the U.S.).  It covers all the major  
international delivery and shipping services.  You can track your  
order status at Apple, as well as the parcel while its in transit from  
the shipper.  (I actually do both: I enter the order confirmation  
number from Apple, and then I create a separate entry for the shipment  
tracking number for FedEx or UPS, etc. when the order gets shipped.)   
If you order from Amazon, you can also enter your order confirmation  
number and track the deliveries.  The latest version of the app has  
been designed as a universal binary, so you can put this on the iPad,  
as well as on your iPhone or iPod Touch.

If you don't want to purchase the app, Junecloud makes a free Delivery  
Status widget that you can download onto your Mac.  (I haven't used  
this).  For the truly anxious, you could leave this running and set up  
a Growl notification (alarm bells to go off, etc.) when your order  
ships.  Check out Junecloud's web site at:
<http://junecloud.com/>

Apps that you purchased from the iTunes Store can be downloaded again  
onto the iPad, of course, either by transfer from your iTunes library  
when you sync the device, or by purchasing the app on the device.  If  
you made in-app purchases, such as voices, you'll need to restore them  
by making the purchase again, and when you've supplied your iTunes  
password, a message will show up that since you've purchased the app  
or the voice before, this is a free download, do you want to proceed?

Although I knew that some apps have been designed for either landscape  
or portrait mode on the iPad, it didn't occur to me that there would  
be no active controls for downloading purchased voices in the Speak  
It! text to speech app unless I turned the iPad to landscape mode.   
(On the iPod Touch and iPhone, the app is set to run in portrait mode,  
although you can rotate the screen 90 degrees to landscape.)  So I was  
wondering how I could get back my French voices with all the relevant  
buttons for "Settings" and "Info" -- which is actually an unlabeled  
button at the upper right -- dimmed.  (In fact, there is a new button  
"15 text" for the in-app voice purchase, but that was also dimmed in  
portrait mode.)  It would be really nice if we could use these Infovox  
voices for the whole iPhone/iPad instead of just within apps for  
reading/recording short bits of text.

Cheers,

Esther
  
  

From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 24 07:06:51 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 07:06:51 +0100
Subject: Tracking Orders [was Re: Online Apple Store Query]
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Hi Esther

On 24 May 2010, at 06:05, Esther wrote:

? I don't know of any way to merge Apple Store online orders.  If you cancel and re-order you may be placed later in the shipping queue, however, so you might want to consider that.  Also, at least the experience in the U.S. was that every item shipped separately when it became available.

Yes, that's how it is over here as well. My 9 intention was never to cancel, I think that would be a mistake. But I'd hoped I could merge the orders. I may just contact Apple Sales I think.

For the relatively few times we order from Apple I think the delivery status apps would be venturing into the paranoia. We do get notifications via email which, so far, have mostly always proven accurate to within a few hours. The only issue I had was that often when UPS put the things on their vans and so on their status doesn't update for hours; even after the goods have been delivered and signed for.

But I'm gratified to know that we aren't the only ones to have noticed this.

Lynne



From cjsims3000 at gmail.com  Mon May 24 11:49:35 2010
From: cjsims3000 at gmail.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 20:49:35 +1000
Subject: en I can so I know exactly what is getting added to my system.
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How do the Bootcamp drivers make those things go away?  How does one check which ones of those you have?
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skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 

On 24/05/2010, at 2:50 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Christopher
> 
> On 23 May 2010, at 20:52, Christopher Sims wrote:
> 
> ? Yes that is what the tools are.  How long have you had VMware 3 installed?  Do you get any issues like the one that some people have spoken about where the only way around things is to turn Voiceover off while your on the windows side?  
> 
> This is not Mike, but Lynne. :-) I thought you might find our situation interesting because it makes a lot of difference.
> 
> If you install the Boot Camp drivers, (3.1 updates included), those VoiceOver issues go away. So this is not a Fusion problem.
> 
> I thought people might find that of interest.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 24 13:17:13 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 13:17:13 +0100
Subject: en I can so I know exactly what is getting added to my system.
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Hello Christopher

On 24 May 2010, at 11:49, Christopher Sims wrote:

? How do the Bootcamp drivers make those things go away?  How does one check which ones of those you have?

Unless you have installed them into your virtual machine, no Boot Camp drivers are installed. If you don't believe me, see what happens if you try to connect the Eyesight camera or the Ifrared receiver. You'll be prompted to install the Boot Camp drivers.

Lynne


From jonathan.hassell at bbc.co.uk  Mon May 24 13:35:34 2010
From: jonathan.hassell at bbc.co.uk (Jonathan Hassell)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 13:35:34 +0100
Subject: Utter Insanity!
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Hi Gordon,

I'm afraid it's not the BBC's logic, but the commercial pressures on the
BBC which have prevented us from launching our BBC iPhone apps in the
UK. 

Our hands, for the moment, are tied.

For details see:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/29/bbc-digital-media

J.

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Hi Mike

You're quite right.  I know that we have at least one BBC insider on
this list.  Perhaps Jonathan would like to explain the BBC's logic here?

Gordon


On 23 May 2010, at 00:29, Mike Arrigo wrote:

I'm an American, and I agree that this makes no sense. I mean, if they
want to also offer it in the United States, fine. But you would think
they would make it available in their home country first, that is nuts.
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Hi Jonathan

Thank you!  I am grateful for the explanation and yes, this sheds a different light on things.  But this is why I posted the original message.  At first it made no sense to me.  Again, thank you.

Gordon

On 24 May 2010, at 13:35, Jonathan Hassell wrote:

Hi Gordon,

I'm afraid it's not the BBC's logic, but the commercial pressures on the
BBC which have prevented us from launching our BBC iPhone apps in the
UK. 

Our hands, for the moment, are tied.

For details see:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/29/bbc-digital-media

J.

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Hi Mike

You're quite right.  I know that we have at least one BBC insider on
this list.  Perhaps Jonathan would like to explain the BBC's logic here?

Gordon


On 23 May 2010, at 00:29, Mike Arrigo wrote:

I'm an American, and I agree that this makes no sense. I mean, if they
want to also offer it in the United States, fine. But you would think
they would make it available in their home country first, that is nuts.
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From n0oxy at charter.net  Tue May 25 05:30:25 2010
From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 23:30:25 -0500
Subject: vmware tools on the mac side
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Ok, that's what I thought, I chose not to install that because I prefer to keep the 2 as separated as possible, just a personal preference I guess.
On May 23, 2010, at 12:45 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Mike
> 
> On 23 May 2010, at 15:11, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
> ? When you install vmware fusion 3, if you choose the custom install, the option is listed. I always do custom installs wh
> 
> The tools are there for seamless integration. They're automatically installed if you do a typical installation of the application. If not, you are given the option as you say.
> 
> If you elect not to install the tools but, later, opt for seamless integration between guest and host operating systems, you are prompted to install the tools.
> 
> I hope that helps.
> 
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From n0oxy at charter.net  Tue May 25 05:34:49 2010
From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo)
Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 23:34:49 -0500
Subject: en I can so I know exactly what is getting added to my system.
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Hi, yes, that does happen sometimes for me also, a bit annoying but it works out.
On May 23, 2010, at 2:52 PM, Christopher Sims wrote:

> Hi Mike, and list.  Yes that is what the tools are.  How long have you had VMware 3 installed?  Do you get any issues like the one that some people have spoken about where the only way around things is to turn Voiceover off while your on the windows side?  
> Christopher Sims
> cjsims3000 at gmail.com
> facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
> skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 
> 
> On 24/05/2010, at 12:11 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> When you install vmware fusion 3, if you choose the custom install, the option is listed. I always do custom installs wh
>> On May 23, 2010, at 2:22 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Mike
>>> 
>>> Where are they located?  Neither Lynne nor I have ever seen those.
>>> 
>>> On 23 May 2010, at 00:26, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone, first, I got a new toy yesterday, a brand new macbook, and it's the new model with the 10 batterylife. So far I love it, I'm also going to buy one more mini from a friend of mine, I think that will last me for a while. Anyway, for those who use fusion, I know the vmware tools for windows includes things like drivers for the video, etc. But does anyone know what the vmware tools for the mac does? I'm not sure if that's what allows you to copy and paste between windows and the mac side. I didn't bother installing the tools for the mac since I want to keep windows and the mac as separated as possible, admitedly, I only use windows when I have no other alternative, I do the majority of things on the mac side.
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 25 07:10:55 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 07:10:55 +0100
Subject: Ripping CDS
Message-ID: <CFEED907-6982-44E8-8BAD-0364B6EE40C1@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Is anybody using any Mac applications to rip CDs to either FLAC (with external cue sheet) or as Wave compressed with external cue sheet as a pair?  If so, what are you using?

I've looked all over for info on this but cannot find it and some people seem to be less than helpful in other places where I've asked this question for whatever reason.

Ah well; what goes around comes around. :-)

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 25 08:11:23 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 08:11:23 +0100
Subject: vmware tools on the mac side
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Hello Mike

On 25 May 2010, at 05:30, Mike Arrigo wrote:

? Ok, that's what I thought, I chose not to install that because I prefer to keep the 2 as separated as possible, just a personal preference I guess.

It is a preference we share. I have no problem with sharing files but all that extra clutter on the Mac side I can do without thank you very much.

Besides which, we only use Windows very occasionally and only for work purposes. So the less intrusive it is on our Mac experience, the better it is for us.

Lynne


From cjsims3000 at gmail.com  Tue May 25 11:48:34 2010
From: cjsims3000 at gmail.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:48:34 +1000
Subject: en I can so I know exactly what is getting added to my system.
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Thankyou lin.  I haven't tried to connectg any of those.  Is it just a case of running the bootcamp assistant when Vmware vertual machine is on?
Christopher Sims
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skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 

On 24/05/2010, at 10:17 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Christopher
> 
> On 24 May 2010, at 11:49, Christopher Sims wrote:
> 
> ? How do the Bootcamp drivers make those things go away?  How does one check which ones of those you have?
> 
> Unless you have installed them into your virtual machine, no Boot Camp drivers are installed. If you don't believe me, see what happens if you try to connect the Eyesight camera or the Ifrared receiver. You'll be prompted to install the Boot Camp drivers.
> 
> Lynne
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From cjsims3000 at gmail.com  Tue May 25 11:51:33 2010
From: cjsims3000 at gmail.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 20:51:33 +1000
Subject: vmware tools on the mac side
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I share your ideas on this.  My only reason for having windows on my machine is to keep my hand in for work reasons. Work won't ever go the Macd rout, I bet.  
Christopher Sims
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On 25/05/2010, at 5:11 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Mike
> 
> On 25 May 2010, at 05:30, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
> ? Ok, that's what I thought, I chose not to install that because I prefer to keep the 2 as separated as possible, just a personal preference I guess.
> 
> It is a preference we share. I have no problem with sharing files but all that extra clutter on the Mac side I can do without thank you very much.
> 
> Besides which, we only use Windows very occasionally and only for work purposes. So the less intrusive it is on our Mac experience, the better it is for us.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 25 12:08:19 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 12:08:19 +0100
Subject: en I can so I know exactly what is getting added to my system.
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Hello Christopher; thanks for the interesting spelling of my name, by the way. LOL

On 25 May 2010, at 11:48, Christopher Sims wrote:

? Thankyou lin.  I haven't tried to connectg any of those.  Is it just a case of running the bootcamp assistant when Vmware vertual machine is on?

No. You need to download or obtain the Windows drivers. So you install the Bootcamp drivers from within Windows. If you run the Boot Camp assistant, that offers to partition your mac drive for running Windows under Boot Camp.

This is a totally different concept.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 25 12:19:15 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 12:19:15 +0100
Subject: vmware tools on the mac side
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Hello Christopher

On 25 May 2010, at 11:51, Christopher Sims wrote:

? I share your ideas on this.  My only reason for having windows on my machine is to keep my hand in for work reasons. Work won't ever go the Macd rout, I bet.  

Gordon's need for Windows is simply for web access testing. He does web design amongst other things for a local graphics design company. Actually, they've given him the title of "IT Systems Engineer". His duties involve network administration and maintenance of primarily a Mac-BAsed network.

The two servers which provide collaboration between their 2 office units via a point to point network (the offices are about 7 miles apart), use Mac OSX Snow Leopard servers on each end. One machine is a quad core Mac Pro and the other is a 19 inch wrack-mounted server.

Most of their clients are Macs because the Mac has vastly superior capabilities when it comes to graphics than anything on the Windows side does.

Anyway I am babbling. The web content, while only for internal office use, needs to be accessible so that Gordon himself can use it remotely. Windows sometimes provides better access than VoiceOver, and visa versa. So it's good to be able to test.

There is also a small amount of beta testing required which is why we have both XP and Windows 7 virtual machines.

Interestingly though, Fusion is tediously slow in comparison to Parallels Desktop which, once configured, is usable by a blind person without any difficulty at all. So I'm going to sit down when I have the time and set up another pair of virtual machines under that. We will probably then totally ditch Fusion because quite honestly it is junk now. Fusion 3 should never have been released in that condition.

It's improved when you install the Boot Camp drivers inside your virtual machine. But even so if it were any slower it would be going backwards!

Lynne



From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Tue May 25 15:32:04 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:32:04 +0100
Subject: Mail crashing in the signature pane
Message-ID: <AEC8AA71-2B1B-4A92-895C-353FDFDBC2B8@gmail.com>

Hi gang, 

Has anyone else come across an issue in Mail where when trying to change a signature Mail will crash please? Any help on diagnosing and fixing this issue would be very much appreciated. 

Thanks 
TC
James 

From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue May 25 18:43:14 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:43:14 +0100
Subject: Mail crashing in the signature pane
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Hello James

On 25 May 2010, at 15:32, James & Nash wrote:

Has anyone else come across an issue in Mail where when trying to change a signature Mail will crash please? Any help on diagnosing and fixing this issue would be very much appreciated. 
Yes; this is a known issue apparently with VoiceOver.

Some people seem to experience no problems while others get the crashes you report. Try turning off and on Voiceover as you move to the signature you want to change.

Lynne


From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Tue May 25 19:15:02 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:15:02 +0100
Subject: Mail crashing in the signature pane
In-Reply-To: <06D23655-2561-4865-8E7C-614E22431F2D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Thanks Lynne, I'll try this?

TC
James 
On 25 May 2010, at 18:43, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello James
> 
> On 25 May 2010, at 15:32, James & Nash wrote:
> 
> Has anyone else come across an issue in Mail where when trying to change a signature Mail will crash please? Any help on diagnosing and fixing this issue would be very much appreciated. 
> Yes; this is a known issue apparently with VoiceOver.
> 
> Some people seem to experience no problems while others get the crashes you report. Try turning off and on Voiceover as you move to the signature you want to change.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue May 25 23:49:07 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:49:07 +1000
Subject: New on the Software front
Message-ID: <62045094-F4AC-4F2B-B727-C5CC3124A9FD@internode.on.net>

Hi!

2 items that caught my attention in my In-box this morning.

Djay 3 is out for the upgrade price of $24.00 U.S. and it boasts some impressive features, one I'm really curious about is the remote control Iphone/ Ipod Touch App for Djay.  Djay is very accessible and extremely configurable, an excellent choice for those who do Djay work.  Its still a small piece of software with room for many features to be added but I'm sure - given the pace of development - these will come in time.

The next piece of software is Knox, this comes to us curtasy of the developers of 1 Password.  Put simply, Knox secures anything on your computer you want to be secured, company documents and so on, I've not had a look at this software yet but if 1 Password is anything to go by I think I may be in for a treat? We'll see.

Again, a discount for those who already own 1 Password.



From cjsims3000 at gmail.com  Wed May 26 07:49:41 2010
From: cjsims3000 at gmail.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 16:49:41 +1000
Subject: en I can so I know exactly what is getting added to my system.
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That is fine.  
Christopher Sims
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skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 

On 25/05/2010, at 9:08 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Christopher; thanks for the interesting spelling of my name, by the way. LOL
> 
> On 25 May 2010, at 11:48, Christopher Sims wrote:
> 
> ? Thankyou lin.  I haven't tried to connectg any of those.  Is it just a case of running the bootcamp assistant when Vmware vertual machine is on?
> 
> No. You need to download or obtain the Windows drivers. So you install the Bootcamp drivers from within Windows. If you run the Boot Camp assistant, that offers to partition your mac drive for running Windows under Boot Camp.
> 
> This is a totally different concept.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
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From cjsims3000 at gmail.com  Wed May 26 07:54:44 2010
From: cjsims3000 at gmail.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 16:54:44 +1000
Subject: vmware tools on the mac side
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I am still running fusion 2.x I haven't upgraded due to the known issues with Voiceover.  I may though. Now that I understand a bit of what is involved.  I hope that the vmware people fix up fusion. 
Christopher Sims
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facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 

On 25/05/2010, at 9:19 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Christopher
> 
> On 25 May 2010, at 11:51, Christopher Sims wrote:
> 
> ? I share your ideas on this.  My only reason for having windows on my machine is to keep my hand in for work reasons. Work won't ever go the Macd rout, I bet.  
> 
> Gordon's need for Windows is simply for web access testing. He does web design amongst other things for a local graphics design company. Actually, they've given him the title of "IT Systems Engineer". His duties involve network administration and maintenance of primarily a Mac-BAsed network.
> 
> The two servers which provide collaboration between their 2 office units via a point to point network (the offices are about 7 miles apart), use Mac OSX Snow Leopard servers on each end. One machine is a quad core Mac Pro and the other is a 19 inch wrack-mounted server.
> 
> Most of their clients are Macs because the Mac has vastly superior capabilities when it comes to graphics than anything on the Windows side does.
> 
> Anyway I am babbling. The web content, while only for internal office use, needs to be accessible so that Gordon himself can use it remotely. Windows sometimes provides better access than VoiceOver, and visa versa. So it's good to be able to test.
> 
> There is also a small amount of beta testing required which is why we have both XP and Windows 7 virtual machines.
> 
> Interestingly though, Fusion is tediously slow in comparison to Parallels Desktop which, once configured, is usable by a blind person without any difficulty at all. So I'm going to sit down when I have the time and set up another pair of virtual machines under that. We will probably then totally ditch Fusion because quite honestly it is junk now. Fusion 3 should never have been released in that condition.
> 
> It's improved when you install the Boot Camp drivers inside your virtual machine. But even so if it were any slower it would be going backwards!
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 26 08:04:29 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:04:29 +0100
Subject: New on the Software front
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Hello Dane

On 25 May 2010, at 23:49, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Djay 3 is out for the upgrade price of $24.00 U.S. and it boasts some impressive features, one I'm really curious about is the remote control Iphone/ Ipod Touch App for Djay.  Djay is very accessible and extremely configurable, an excellent choice for those who do Djay work.  Its still a small piece of software with room for many features to be added but I'm sure - given the pace of development - these will come in time.

DJ3 is as old as the proverbial hills, so what's new there? :)


The next piece of software is Knox, this comes to us curtasy of the developers of 1 Password.  

Just to clarify. This software has been bought out by Agile Software. They didn't develop it.

You're not the only person who receives these notices. :-)

But we're going to look at that programme because it could be just what we're after. As long as it doesn't do what Microsoft's so-called "Security Vault" does.

Lynne


From cjsims3000 at gmail.com  Wed May 26 08:05:33 2010
From: cjsims3000 at gmail.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 17:05:33 +1000
Subject: Mail crashing in the signature pane
In-Reply-To: <72048D1A-43D0-4B9D-8C36-43AD5A797486@gmail.com>
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	<06D23655-2561-4865-8E7C-614E22431F2D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <D828B8A9-6CD2-4619-8230-809C32BA6C72@gmail.com>

another possible resolution for this is to before changing a signature, to interact with the splitter to the left of the signatuyre text and move it to the rite.  That also seems to do something. 
Christopher Sims
cjsims3000 at gmail.com
facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 

On 26/05/2010, at 4:15 AM, James & Nash wrote:

> Thanks Lynne, I'll try this?
> 
> TC
> James 
> On 25 May 2010, at 18:43, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hello James
>> 
>> On 25 May 2010, at 15:32, James & Nash wrote:
>> 
>> Has anyone else come across an issue in Mail where when trying to change a signature Mail will crash please? Any help on diagnosing and fixing this issue would be very much appreciated. 
>> Yes; this is a known issue apparently with VoiceOver.
>> 
>> Some people seem to experience no problems while others get the crashes you report. Try turning off and on Voiceover as you move to the signature you want to change.
>> 
>> Lynne
>> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 26 08:09:11 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:09:11 +0100
Subject: vmware tools on the mac side
In-Reply-To: <2ACC3D6A-F8AE-4EBB-B213-BD255113C280@gmail.com>
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Hello Christopher

On 26 May 2010, at 07:54, Christopher Sims wrote:

? I am still running fusion 2.x I haven't upgraded due to the known issues with Voiceover.  I may though. Now that I understand a bit of what is involved.  I hope that the vmware people fix up fusion. 

The voiceOver issue has nothing whatsoever to do with Fusion. It is a kernel issue, (so VMWare tells us). It has something to do with OSX not releasing flags properly or something like that. I'm no programmer but that's what I remember from their reply to Gordon's question.

As you might know, it was he who introduced many to Fusion by way of his 2007 demo. He's been involved with the project since that time and still sometimes beta tests for VMWare.

Lynne


From cjsims3000 at gmail.com  Wed May 26 08:42:01 2010
From: cjsims3000 at gmail.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 17:42:01 +1000
Subject: vmware tools on the mac side
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Hi Lyn.  I'm glad that he is involved.  I would hope that he could continue this great work.  
Christopher Sims
cjsims3000 at gmail.com
facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 

On 26/05/2010, at 5:09 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Christopher
> 
> On 26 May 2010, at 07:54, Christopher Sims wrote:
> 
> ? I am still running fusion 2.x I haven't upgraded due to the known issues with Voiceover.  I may though. Now that I understand a bit of what is involved.  I hope that the vmware people fix up fusion. 
> 
> The voiceOver issue has nothing whatsoever to do with Fusion. It is a kernel issue, (so VMWare tells us). It has something to do with OSX not releasing flags properly or something like that. I'm no programmer but that's what I remember from their reply to Gordon's question.
> 
> As you might know, it was he who introduced many to Fusion by way of his 2007 demo. He's been involved with the project since that time and still sometimes beta tests for VMWare.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 26 09:22:06 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 09:22:06 +0100
Subject: Agile Software Knox website purchase pages are well and truly broken!
Message-ID: <4F6351C2-85BB-44D6-BC4A-5AE252EDC1C6@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

For the moment, don't try purchasing Knox.  Lynne just did and the idiots sent her another license for 1 Password and even the contact link on the purchase confirmation page is broken.  They're using a Javascript function I think to generate the address and clicking on it brings up a message in your mail client addressed to "#".

That, I'm sorry to say, is pure incompetence.  For a merchant to make such basic elementary mistakes is just shockingly unprofessional and doesn't bode well for their products.



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 26 09:30:06 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 09:30:06 +0100
Subject: vmware tools on the mac side
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Hi Christopher

Sadly, most of their beta testing is now done in-house.  Until the last version, I got to test the betas before they went public.  But as of v3 they seem to have changed their policies.

Fusion 3 is very much a backward step from the accessibility perspective.  I told them so, and they didn't take it kindly. :-)  Perhaps that is the reason why I am no longer seeing private betas.  But I tell it as I find.

I wrote them a lengthy explanation before the release of the last maintenance update of the issues that version 3 has introduced.  It was purely by accident that Lynne and I discovered that, if you install the Boot |Camp drivers into your virtual machine, (which everybody should do anyway because without them much of your Mac's hardware cannot be used), the VoiceOver issues are fixed and you no longer need to turn it off.

We are probably going to have to totally re-install XP actually, as it takes about half an hour, literally, to shut the thing down these days.  Windows 7 is very fast in this respect, so it is definitely a VM issue.

Downgrading to Fusion 2 is not an option, since 7 is not supported, obviously.

Gordon

On 26 May 2010, at 08:42, Christopher Sims wrote:

Hi Lyn.  I'm glad that he is involved.  I would hope that he could continue this great work.  
Christopher Sims
cjsims3000 at gmail.com
facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 

On 26/05/2010, at 5:09 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Christopher
> 
> On 26 May 2010, at 07:54, Christopher Sims wrote:
> 
> ? I am still running fusion 2.x I haven't upgraded due to the known issues with Voiceover.  I may though. Now that I understand a bit of what is involved.  I hope that the vmware people fix up fusion. 
> 
> The voiceOver issue has nothing whatsoever to do with Fusion. It is a kernel issue, (so VMWare tells us). It has something to do with OSX not releasing flags properly or something like that. I'm no programmer but that's what I remember from their reply to Gordon's question.
> 
> As you might know, it was he who introduced many to Fusion by way of his 2007 demo. He's been involved with the project since that time and still sometimes beta tests for VMWare.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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> 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Wed May 26 10:27:15 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 10:27:15 +0100
Subject: Mail crashing in the signature pane
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Thanks Christopher

TC
James 
On 26 May 2010, at 08:05, Christopher Sims wrote:

> another possible resolution for this is to before changing a signature, to interact with the splitter to the left of the signatuyre text and move it to the rite.  That also seems to do something. 
> Christopher Sims
> cjsims3000 at gmail.com
> facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
> skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 
> 
> On 26/05/2010, at 4:15 AM, James & Nash wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Lynne, I'll try this?
>> 
>> TC
>> James 
>> On 25 May 2010, at 18:43, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello James
>>> 
>>> On 25 May 2010, at 15:32, James & Nash wrote:
>>> 
>>> Has anyone else come across an issue in Mail where when trying to change a signature Mail will crash please? Any help on diagnosing and fixing this issue would be very much appreciated. 
>>> Yes; this is a known issue apparently with VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> Some people seem to experience no problems while others get the crashes you report. Try turning off and on Voiceover as you move to the signature you want to change.
>>> 
>>> Lynne
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
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From cjsims3000 at gmail.com  Wed May 26 10:31:23 2010
From: cjsims3000 at gmail.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 19:31:23 +1000
Subject: vmware tools on the mac side
In-Reply-To: <5D057330-3992-4EE0-9AA3-EE56324CA1B5@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Thanks for that.  Well done for saying what you did to them.  I hope that they have a change of heart.  At some stage.
Christopher Sims
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skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 

On 26/05/2010, at 6:30 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Christopher
> 
> Sadly, most of their beta testing is now done in-house.  Until the last version, I got to test the betas before they went public.  But as of v3 they seem to have changed their policies.
> 
> Fusion 3 is very much a backward step from the accessibility perspective.  I told them so, and they didn't take it kindly. :-)  Perhaps that is the reason why I am no longer seeing private betas.  But I tell it as I find.
> 
> I wrote them a lengthy explanation before the release of the last maintenance update of the issues that version 3 has introduced.  It was purely by accident that Lynne and I discovered that, if you install the Boot |Camp drivers into your virtual machine, (which everybody should do anyway because without them much of your Mac's hardware cannot be used), the VoiceOver issues are fixed and you no longer need to turn it off.
> 
> We are probably going to have to totally re-install XP actually, as it takes about half an hour, literally, to shut the thing down these days.  Windows 7 is very fast in this respect, so it is definitely a VM issue.
> 
> Downgrading to Fusion 2 is not an option, since 7 is not supported, obviously.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 26 May 2010, at 08:42, Christopher Sims wrote:
> 
> Hi Lyn.  I'm glad that he is involved.  I would hope that he could continue this great work.  
> Christopher Sims
> cjsims3000 at gmail.com
> facebook: www.facebook.com/csims1 
> skype: cjsims3000. mobile : 0418558275 
> 
> On 26/05/2010, at 5:09 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hello Christopher
>> 
>> On 26 May 2010, at 07:54, Christopher Sims wrote:
>> 
>> ? I am still running fusion 2.x I haven't upgraded due to the known issues with Voiceover.  I may though. Now that I understand a bit of what is involved.  I hope that the vmware people fix up fusion. 
>> 
>> The voiceOver issue has nothing whatsoever to do with Fusion. It is a kernel issue, (so VMWare tells us). It has something to do with OSX not releasing flags properly or something like that. I'm no programmer but that's what I remember from their reply to Gordon's question.
>> 
>> As you might know, it was he who introduced many to Fusion by way of his 2007 demo. He's been involved with the project since that time and still sometimes beta tests for VMWare.
>> 
>> Lynne
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed May 26 13:22:09 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 22:22:09 +1000
Subject: Agile Software Knox website purchase pages are well and truly
	broken!
In-Reply-To: <4F6351C2-85BB-44D6-BC4A-5AE252EDC1C6@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Perhaps the site has been fixed since you wrote this message? Had no trouble whatever, I was able to take advantage of the upgrade offer as set out in the email I got.


On 26/05/2010, at 6:22 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> For the moment, don't try purchasing Knox.  Lynne just did and the idiots sent her another license for 1 Password and even the contact link on the purchase confirmation page is broken.  They're using a Javascript function I think to generate the address and clicking on it brings up a message in your mail client addressed to "#".
> 
> That, I'm sorry to say, is pure incompetence.  For a merchant to make such basic elementary mistakes is just shockingly unprofessional and doesn't bode well for their products.
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed May 26 13:24:11 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 22:24:11 +1000
Subject: New on the Software front
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I gather that the main new features are the abilities to sync with the Iphone app and so on, will put that through its paces tomorrow and see if its all accessible, will be nice if it is.


On 26/05/2010, at 5:04 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 25 May 2010, at 23:49, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> ? Djay 3 is out for the upgrade price of $24.00 U.S. and it boasts some impressive features, one I'm really curious about is the remote control Iphone/ Ipod Touch App for Djay.  Djay is very accessible and extremely configurable, an excellent choice for those who do Djay work.  Its still a small piece of software with room for many features to be added but I'm sure - given the pace of development - these will come in time.
> 
> DJ3 is as old as the proverbial hills, so what's new there? :)
> 
> 
> The next piece of software is Knox, this comes to us curtasy of the developers of 1 Password.  
> 
> Just to clarify. This software has been bought out by Agile Software. They didn't develop it.
> 
> You're not the only person who receives these notices. :-)
> 
> But we're going to look at that programme because it could be just what we're after. As long as it doesn't do what Microsoft's so-called "Security Vault" does.
> 
> Lynne
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed May 26 13:37:58 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 22:37:58 +1000
Subject: Djay software
Message-ID: <BD2B2292-9772-41FB-B6DB-D3734DAB5DC1@internode.on.net>

Okay, I was wrong, yep I already have Djay 3 here but a major update has been released which is free for Djay 3 registered users and this includes enhanced support for the Macbook Pro trackpad apparently along with enhanced support for the Magic Mouse not that we can take advantage of that specifically <smile>.



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 26 15:28:58 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:28:58 +0100
Subject: Agile Software Knox website purchase pages are well and truly
	broken!
In-Reply-To: <9B34EF9F-5CFA-4034-BD78-80DEF7EBB992@internode.on.net>
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Yes, they've fixed the site.  I got a "thank you" for bringing it to their attention because it was a major problem.

But they still haven't sorted the license.  Lynne intended to buy a family pack license for Knox but they sent her a family pack license for 1Password, which we already have.


On 26 May 2010, at 13:22, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Perhaps the site has been fixed since you wrote this message? Had no trouble whatever, I was able to take advantage of the upgrade offer as set out in the email I got.


On 26/05/2010, at 6:22 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> For the moment, don't try purchasing Knox.  Lynne just did and the idiots sent her another license for 1 Password and even the contact link on the purchase confirmation page is broken.  They're using a Javascript function I think to generate the address and clicking on it brings up a message in your mail client addressed to "#".
> 
> That, I'm sorry to say, is pure incompetence.  For a merchant to make such basic elementary mistakes is just shockingly unprofessional and doesn't bode well for their products.
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 26 15:33:31 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 15:33:31 +0100
Subject: Djay software
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I'm not sure whether this is another major update but one of these came out about 4 months ago.  We have it installed so I'll go and check to see when it was released, this update you're talking about.

I've noticed actually that sometimes, messages suddenly re-appear in E-Mail about things which were updated months previous.

On 26 May 2010, at 13:37, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Okay, I was wrong, yep I already have Djay 3 here but a major update has been released which is free for Djay 3 registered users and this includes enhanced support for the Macbook Pro trackpad apparently along with enhanced support for the Magic Mouse not that we can take advantage of that specifically <smile>.


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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed May 26 15:42:53 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 00:42:53 +1000
Subject: Djay software
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Launch the Djay software and the update page will most Likley appear.



Sent from Dane's Iphone +61457756048

On 27/05/2010, at 12:33 AM, Gordon Smith <gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk> wrote:

> I'm not sure whether this is another major update but one of these  
> came out about 4 months ago.  We have it installed so I'll go and  
> check to see when it was released, this update you're talking about.
>
> I've noticed actually that sometimes, messages suddenly re-appear in  
> E-Mail about things which were updated months previous.
>
> On 26 May 2010, at 13:37, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>
> Okay, I was wrong, yep I already have Djay 3 here but a major update  
> has been released which is free for Djay 3 registered users and this  
> includes enhanced support for the Macbook Pro trackpad apparently  
> along with enhanced support for the Magic Mouse not that we can take  
> advantage of that specifically <smile>.
>
>
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 26 16:02:39 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 16:02:39 +0100
Subject: Numbered Lists
Message-ID: <9A758EC3-7F1C-4268-8F50-5D0ABC9DC7B4@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi

OK, I now have occasion to try out numbered lists in a document because of a project which I'm working on.

Dane, it seems, is quite correct that there doesn't seem to be a way of producing numbered lists in Pages.

At least, not using the keyboard alone there doesn't.  I'm not sure whether there is a mouse-clickable option for doing this which doesn't have a keyboard shortcut.

So, it seems I'm going to have to try Nisus Writer Pro again and see how you accomplish that task in that particular application.

If they've done this right, I'd imagine it's just a case of selecting the text you want in your numbered list, and then choosing the list font.

I'll also be interested to see how we go as far as PDF is concerned although I think we'll probably end up using Adobe Acrobat for that as we need accessibility tags and, sad though it is, there is nothing available on the Mac platform which supports them.

As I highlighted last week, Adobe tell me that the lack of support for accessibility in the Mac version of Acrobat and, indeed, in other Mac applications which produce PDF released by other vendors lack accessibility functionality for the same reason.  Apple simply won't provide the API necessary to expose the document's accessibility tags to VoiceOver.

But that's another subject.  Irritating though it is, it looks like I'll have to revert to Windows for that task.


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 26 16:09:30 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 16:09:30 +0100
Subject: DJ3 1.1
Message-ID: <C77687E2-420E-47D3-A065-C143E1146B0C@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi

Yep, thought so.  Not exactly ancient news, and worth mentioning certainly.  The DJ3 1.1 release was what I had installed and it was released on 11 May 2010.



From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Wed May 26 16:59:11 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 17:59:11 +0200
Subject: Numbered Lists
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Hello Gordon,

Here is how to produce a numbered list in Pages:

? Having entered the first item in the list, open the Inspector (Command-Option-i);
? Select the Text button which is the fourth of ten;
? Now select the Lists tab which is the second of four;
? Navigate right to Indentation Type and open the menu (the default value is No Bullets);
? Go down the menu until you find Numbers and press Return;
? The pop up menu to the right of this is where you select the type of numbering you want (Arabic or Roman numerals, or letters upper case or lower case, all with or without brackets, etc.);
? Return to your document by switching windows;
? Press Return at the end of the first item which now bears the number 1 or whatever you chose, and Pages will generate a new item bearing the number 2 or whatever you chose.

VoiceOver can't read these numbers, but if you select all the items in your list and copy them to the clipboard, you can paste them into a TextEdit document and check that they are correct.

For something more complex, you can define a style sheet as a numbered paragraph and follow it with an unnumbered style. The next occurrence of the numbered style will automatically bear the next number in the sequence.

Remember that you must always set a shortcut to be able to use a style. You can have up to 8 shortcuts in use at any time.

Cheers,

Anne

 

On May 26, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi
> 
> OK, I now have occasion to try out numbered lists in a document because of a project which I'm working on.
> 
> Dane, it seems, is quite correct that there doesn't seem to be a way of producing numbered lists in Pages.
> 
> At least, not using the keyboard alone there doesn't.  I'm not sure whether there is a mouse-clickable option for doing this which doesn't have a keyboard shortcut.
> 
> So, it seems I'm going to have to try Nisus Writer Pro again and see how you accomplish that task in that particular application.
> 
> If they've done this right, I'd imagine it's just a case of selecting the text you want in your numbered list, and then choosing the list font.
> 
> I'll also be interested to see how we go as far as PDF is concerned although I think we'll probably end up using Adobe Acrobat for that as we need accessibility tags and, sad though it is, there is nothing available on the Mac platform which supports them.
> 
> As I highlighted last week, Adobe tell me that the lack of support for accessibility in the Mac version of Acrobat and, indeed, in other Mac applications which produce PDF released by other vendors lack accessibility functionality for the same reason.  Apple simply won't provide the API necessary to expose the document's accessibility tags to VoiceOver.
> 
> But that's another subject.  Irritating though it is, it looks like I'll have to revert to Windows for that task.
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 26 18:15:10 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 18:15:10 +0100
Subject: Numbered Lists
In-Reply-To: <A6341DF6-E8B5-4690-8755-329F6C224713@anarchie.org.uk>
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Hi Anne

My problem with this method, although I'll take your word for it that it works, is that it's incredibly messy.  Frankly, you shouldn't have to mess around pasting your document into a text document, then repeating the process if there are errors, and so it goes on.  You simply have no on-the-fly method of handling numbered or styled lists with VoiceOver.

Consider:  In a commercial situation, or office environment, does a secretary have the time to continually paste documents into another programme just to check that her or his style is correct?  No, definitely not I would suggest.  This is something which, to be absolutely honest, is another frustrating aspect of working with Pages and VoiceOver.

Now, don't get me wrong.  It's good that it can be done.  And I'm grateful to you for taking the time and trouble to explain the procedure for us.  Overly involved though it is, the plus side of that is that it's versatile.

I'm definitely not looking for problems here.  I'm just frustrated that it's so messy a process.  Can you imagine how, if you have a document where you need to use multiple lists, (which is the situation I an in with the document I'm working on currently, it's going to be a very time-consuming process.

That said, I've also had a huge problem with Nisus Writer Pro, and it's one which has me baffled.  If part of my document is an address header, Nisus simply isn't showing me the header at all, even though the text is part of the body of the document.

Pages does show that, and it's clear how it's formatted.  So I guess it's a case of swings and roundabouts here.

I still think though that Pages has some way to go before Apple can say it is 100% accessible.

I am also noticing with Pages that words in my document are being read by VoiceOver as though they're split over 2 lines.  In actual fact, they're not split like that at all, which is very very misleading indeed.

So I guess I'm going to have to try and find a different way of displaying these sections of my document as a "list".  I will be there forever if I keep having to paste into TextEdit all the time just to error check. :-)

But Anne, thank you very much for the info.  Lynne, I guess, would be able to do that.  Actually you know, similar accessibility problems exist when inserting an E-`Mail hyperlink into a Pages document.  Although I've discovered that, by interacting with the link text once completed, one can actually change the no_reply at apple.com to whatever you want it set to.  But I don't quite see how you enter the text to start with.

Very interesting thread though, and well done for the post Anne.  Excellent explanation.

Gordon

On 26 May 2010, at 16:59, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello Gordon,

Here is how to produce a numbered list in Pages:

? Having entered the first item in the list, open the Inspector (Command-Option-i);
? Select the Text button which is the fourth of ten;
? Now select the Lists tab which is the second of four;
? Navigate right to Indentation Type and open the menu (the default value is No Bullets);
? Go down the menu until you find Numbers and press Return;
? The pop up menu to the right of this is where you select the type of numbering you want (Arabic or Roman numerals, or letters upper case or lower case, all with or without brackets, etc.);
? Return to your document by switching windows;
? Press Return at the end of the first item which now bears the number 1 or whatever you chose, and Pages will generate a new item bearing the number 2 or whatever you chose.

VoiceOver can't read these numbers, but if you select all the items in your list and copy them to the clipboard, you can paste them into a TextEdit document and check that they are correct.

For something more complex, you can define a style sheet as a numbered paragraph and follow it with an unnumbered style. The next occurrence of the numbered style will automatically bear the next number in the sequence.

Remember that you must always set a shortcut to be able to use a style. You can have up to 8 shortcuts in use at any time.

Cheers,

Anne



On May 26, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi
> 
> OK, I now have occasion to try out numbered lists in a document because of a project which I'm working on.
> 
> Dane, it seems, is quite correct that there doesn't seem to be a way of producing numbered lists in Pages.
> 
> At least, not using the keyboard alone there doesn't.  I'm not sure whether there is a mouse-clickable option for doing this which doesn't have a keyboard shortcut.
> 
> So, it seems I'm going to have to try Nisus Writer Pro again and see how you accomplish that task in that particular application.
> 
> If they've done this right, I'd imagine it's just a case of selecting the text you want in your numbered list, and then choosing the list font.
> 
> I'll also be interested to see how we go as far as PDF is concerned although I think we'll probably end up using Adobe Acrobat for that as we need accessibility tags and, sad though it is, there is nothing available on the Mac platform which supports them.
> 
> As I highlighted last week, Adobe tell me that the lack of support for accessibility in the Mac version of Acrobat and, indeed, in other Mac applications which produce PDF released by other vendors lack accessibility functionality for the same reason.  Apple simply won't provide the API necessary to expose the document's accessibility tags to VoiceOver.
> 
> But that's another subject.  Irritating though it is, it looks like I'll have to revert to Windows for that task.
> 
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From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Wed May 26 18:28:20 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 19:28:20 +0200
Subject: Numbered Lists
In-Reply-To: <B9AC68C4-6160-4A50-9EFE-337722F08DAB@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Hello Gordon,

You're right that it's messy, but I just keep a blank TextEdit document open while I'm using Pages since there are more invisible items in Pages that I have to look out for. For instance, in Pages, VO can't see highlighting in another colour, whereas TextEdit can.

I currently have a document to translate which has passages highlighted in red that are not to be translated. I have to copy each paragraph into TextEdit to look at the text attributes.
I have to use Pages because it does the best job of maintaining the formatting from Word.

Cheers,

Anne
 

On May 26, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Anne
> 
> My problem with this method, although I'll take your word for it that it works, is that it's incredibly messy.  Frankly, you shouldn't have to mess around pasting your document into a text document, then repeating the process if there are errors, and so it goes on.  You simply have no on-the-fly method of handling numbered or styled lists with VoiceOver.
> 
> Consider:  In a commercial situation, or office environment, does a secretary have the time to continually paste documents into another programme just to check that her or his style is correct?  No, definitely not I would suggest.  This is something which, to be absolutely honest, is another frustrating aspect of working with Pages and VoiceOver.
> 
> Now, don't get me wrong.  It's good that it can be done.  And I'm grateful to you for taking the time and trouble to explain the procedure for us.  Overly involved though it is, the plus side of that is that it's versatile.
> 
> I'm definitely not looking for problems here.  I'm just frustrated that it's so messy a process.  Can you imagine how, if you have a document where you need to use multiple lists, (which is the situation I an in with the document I'm working on currently, it's going to be a very time-consuming process.
> 
> That said, I've also had a huge problem with Nisus Writer Pro, and it's one which has me baffled.  If part of my document is an address header, Nisus simply isn't showing me the header at all, even though the text is part of the body of the document.
> 
> Pages does show that, and it's clear how it's formatted.  So I guess it's a case of swings and roundabouts here.
> 
> I still think though that Pages has some way to go before Apple can say it is 100% accessible.
> 
> I am also noticing with Pages that words in my document are being read by VoiceOver as though they're split over 2 lines.  In actual fact, they're not split like that at all, which is very very misleading indeed.
> 
> So I guess I'm going to have to try and find a different way of displaying these sections of my document as a "list".  I will be there forever if I keep having to paste into TextEdit all the time just to error check. :-)
> 
> But Anne, thank you very much for the info.  Lynne, I guess, would be able to do that.  Actually you know, similar accessibility problems exist when inserting an E-`Mail hyperlink into a Pages document.  Although I've discovered that, by interacting with the link text once completed, one can actually change the no_reply at apple.com to whatever you want it set to.  But I don't quite see how you enter the text to start with.
> 
> Very interesting thread though, and well done for the post Anne.  Excellent explanation.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 26 May 2010, at 16:59, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
> Hello Gordon,
> 
> Here is how to produce a numbered list in Pages:
> 
> ? Having entered the first item in the list, open the Inspector (Command-Option-i);
> ? Select the Text button which is the fourth of ten;
> ? Now select the Lists tab which is the second of four;
> ? Navigate right to Indentation Type and open the menu (the default value is No Bullets);
> ? Go down the menu until you find Numbers and press Return;
> ? The pop up menu to the right of this is where you select the type of numbering you want (Arabic or Roman numerals, or letters upper case or lower case, all with or without brackets, etc.);
> ? Return to your document by switching windows;
> ? Press Return at the end of the first item which now bears the number 1 or whatever you chose, and Pages will generate a new item bearing the number 2 or whatever you chose.
> 
> VoiceOver can't read these numbers, but if you select all the items in your list and copy them to the clipboard, you can paste them into a TextEdit document and check that they are correct.
> 
> For something more complex, you can define a style sheet as a numbered paragraph and follow it with an unnumbered style. The next occurrence of the numbered style will automatically bear the next number in the sequence.
> 
> Remember that you must always set a shortcut to be able to use a style. You can have up to 8 shortcuts in use at any time.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> On May 26, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> OK, I now have occasion to try out numbered lists in a document because of a project which I'm working on.
>> 
>> Dane, it seems, is quite correct that there doesn't seem to be a way of producing numbered lists in Pages.
>> 
>> At least, not using the keyboard alone there doesn't.  I'm not sure whether there is a mouse-clickable option for doing this which doesn't have a keyboard shortcut.
>> 
>> So, it seems I'm going to have to try Nisus Writer Pro again and see how you accomplish that task in that particular application.
>> 
>> If they've done this right, I'd imagine it's just a case of selecting the text you want in your numbered list, and then choosing the list font.
>> 
>> I'll also be interested to see how we go as far as PDF is concerned although I think we'll probably end up using Adobe Acrobat for that as we need accessibility tags and, sad though it is, there is nothing available on the Mac platform which supports them.
>> 
>> As I highlighted last week, Adobe tell me that the lack of support for accessibility in the Mac version of Acrobat and, indeed, in other Mac applications which produce PDF released by other vendors lack accessibility functionality for the same reason.  Apple simply won't provide the API necessary to expose the document's accessibility tags to VoiceOver.
>> 
>> But that's another subject.  Irritating though it is, it looks like I'll have to revert to Windows for that task.
>> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 26 19:34:58 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 19:34:58 +0100
Subject: Numbered Lists
In-Reply-To: <4CA8B983-F8EB-4646-BC19-7B239292D0B5@anarchie.org.uk>
References: <9A758EC3-7F1C-4268-8F50-5D0ABC9DC7B4@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Hi Anne

Yes, I understand what you're saying and I can see why you would do that.  I guess we can only hope that Apple improves things so that these elements are exposed to VoiceOver.  Did you write to the accessibility team and let them know about it?  If not, I will do so because I think it's quite a big issue.

Gordon


On 26 May 2010, at 18:28, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello Gordon,

You're right that it's messy, but I just keep a blank TextEdit document open while I'm using Pages since there are more invisible items in Pages that I have to look out for. For instance, in Pages, VO can't see highlighting in another colour, whereas TextEdit can.

I currently have a document to translate which has passages highlighted in red that are not to be translated. I have to copy each paragraph into TextEdit to look at the text attributes.
I have to use Pages because it does the best job of maintaining the formatting from Word.

Cheers,

Anne


On May 26, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Anne
> 
> My problem with this method, although I'll take your word for it that it works, is that it's incredibly messy.  Frankly, you shouldn't have to mess around pasting your document into a text document, then repeating the process if there are errors, and so it goes on.  You simply have no on-the-fly method of handling numbered or styled lists with VoiceOver.
> 
> Consider:  In a commercial situation, or office environment, does a secretary have the time to continually paste documents into another programme just to check that her or his style is correct?  No, definitely not I would suggest.  This is something which, to be absolutely honest, is another frustrating aspect of working with Pages and VoiceOver.
> 
> Now, don't get me wrong.  It's good that it can be done.  And I'm grateful to you for taking the time and trouble to explain the procedure for us.  Overly involved though it is, the plus side of that is that it's versatile.
> 
> I'm definitely not looking for problems here.  I'm just frustrated that it's so messy a process.  Can you imagine how, if you have a document where you need to use multiple lists, (which is the situation I an in with the document I'm working on currently, it's going to be a very time-consuming process.
> 
> That said, I've also had a huge problem with Nisus Writer Pro, and it's one which has me baffled.  If part of my document is an address header, Nisus simply isn't showing me the header at all, even though the text is part of the body of the document.
> 
> Pages does show that, and it's clear how it's formatted.  So I guess it's a case of swings and roundabouts here.
> 
> I still think though that Pages has some way to go before Apple can say it is 100% accessible.
> 
> I am also noticing with Pages that words in my document are being read by VoiceOver as though they're split over 2 lines.  In actual fact, they're not split like that at all, which is very very misleading indeed.
> 
> So I guess I'm going to have to try and find a different way of displaying these sections of my document as a "list".  I will be there forever if I keep having to paste into TextEdit all the time just to error check. :-)
> 
> But Anne, thank you very much for the info.  Lynne, I guess, would be able to do that.  Actually you know, similar accessibility problems exist when inserting an E-`Mail hyperlink into a Pages document.  Although I've discovered that, by interacting with the link text once completed, one can actually change the no_reply at apple.com to whatever you want it set to.  But I don't quite see how you enter the text to start with.
> 
> Very interesting thread though, and well done for the post Anne.  Excellent explanation.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 26 May 2010, at 16:59, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
> Hello Gordon,
> 
> Here is how to produce a numbered list in Pages:
> 
> ? Having entered the first item in the list, open the Inspector (Command-Option-i);
> ? Select the Text button which is the fourth of ten;
> ? Now select the Lists tab which is the second of four;
> ? Navigate right to Indentation Type and open the menu (the default value is No Bullets);
> ? Go down the menu until you find Numbers and press Return;
> ? The pop up menu to the right of this is where you select the type of numbering you want (Arabic or Roman numerals, or letters upper case or lower case, all with or without brackets, etc.);
> ? Return to your document by switching windows;
> ? Press Return at the end of the first item which now bears the number 1 or whatever you chose, and Pages will generate a new item bearing the number 2 or whatever you chose.
> 
> VoiceOver can't read these numbers, but if you select all the items in your list and copy them to the clipboard, you can paste them into a TextEdit document and check that they are correct.
> 
> For something more complex, you can define a style sheet as a numbered paragraph and follow it with an unnumbered style. The next occurrence of the numbered style will automatically bear the next number in the sequence.
> 
> Remember that you must always set a shortcut to be able to use a style. You can have up to 8 shortcuts in use at any time.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> 
> On May 26, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> OK, I now have occasion to try out numbered lists in a document because of a project which I'm working on.
>> 
>> Dane, it seems, is quite correct that there doesn't seem to be a way of producing numbered lists in Pages.
>> 
>> At least, not using the keyboard alone there doesn't.  I'm not sure whether there is a mouse-clickable option for doing this which doesn't have a keyboard shortcut.
>> 
>> So, it seems I'm going to have to try Nisus Writer Pro again and see how you accomplish that task in that particular application.
>> 
>> If they've done this right, I'd imagine it's just a case of selecting the text you want in your numbered list, and then choosing the list font.
>> 
>> I'll also be interested to see how we go as far as PDF is concerned although I think we'll probably end up using Adobe Acrobat for that as we need accessibility tags and, sad though it is, there is nothing available on the Mac platform which supports them.
>> 
>> As I highlighted last week, Adobe tell me that the lack of support for accessibility in the Mac version of Acrobat and, indeed, in other Mac applications which produce PDF released by other vendors lack accessibility functionality for the same reason.  Apple simply won't provide the API necessary to expose the document's accessibility tags to VoiceOver.
>> 
>> But that's another subject.  Irritating though it is, it looks like I'll have to revert to Windows for that task.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 26 19:40:59 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 19:40:59 +0100
Subject: Knox Licensing Update
Message-ID: <14262D65-EDD7-4341-BECA-ED878A06BFA6@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello all

Seems I've hit on a major bug in their online store.  They're not only experiencing difficulties creating the Knox family licenses but also they're over-charging for them.

I've had a nice message back from them though and they are refunding me the outstanding amount and have manually created the family license which Lynne bought this morning.

So that is why Dane didn't have problems, I'm guessing he bought the single users license.  That is not affected.

Gordon



From moriond at mac.com  Wed May 26 19:43:09 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 08:43:09 -1000
Subject: Numbered Lists
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Hi Gordon, Anne, and Others,

I wasn't going to post, because Anne gave excellent instructions for  
making numbered lists in Pages before I could reply.  However, on the  
subject of VoiceOver announcing (or rather, not announcing) the  
numbered lists in Pages, I believe that this is related to the issue  
of formatted lists in rich text vs. plain text that Paul Hopewell, I,  
and a few other list members, discussed last July. He was trying to  
include a numbered list in mail, and couldn't get VoiceOver to  
announce them.  What happened was that when he used "Insert Numbered  
List" from mail's Format menu under the "Lists" option, VoiceOver  
wouldn't report the numbers, although he could read them on his  
Windows machine.  Further, we did some experimenting in copying this  
over to TextEdit, and whether the numbers showed up depended on  
whether we were using rich text or plain text settings.  I have the  
correspondence saved, since there were quite a number of specific  
experiments that we all did, and Paul finished by saying he would  
report this to Apple's accessibility team.  I'm fairly certain that  
you're seeing the same thing in terms of VoiceOver's behavior here.

Cheers,

Esther

On May 26, 2010, at 08:34, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Anne
>
> Yes, I understand what you're saying and I can see why you would do  
> that.  I guess we can only hope that Apple improves things so that  
> these elements are exposed to VoiceOver.  Did you write to the  
> accessibility team and let them know about it?  If not, I will do so  
> because I think it's quite a big issue.
>
> Gordon
>
>
> On 26 May 2010, at 18:28, Anne Robertson wrote:
>
> Hello Gordon,
>
> You're right that it's messy, but I just keep a blank TextEdit  
> document open while I'm using Pages since there are more invisible  
> items in Pages that I have to look out for. For instance, in Pages,  
> VO can't see highlighting in another colour, whereas TextEdit can.
>
> I currently have a document to translate which has passages  
> highlighted in red that are not to be translated. I have to copy  
> each paragraph into TextEdit to look at the text attributes.
> I have to use Pages because it does the best job of maintaining the  
> formatting from Word.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Anne
>
>
> On May 26, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>
>> Hi Anne
>>
>> My problem with this method, although I'll take your word for it  
>> that it works, is that it's incredibly messy.  Frankly, you  
>> shouldn't have to mess around pasting your document into a text  
>> document, then repeating the process if there are errors, and so it  
>> goes on.  You simply have no on-the-fly method of handling numbered  
>> or styled lists with VoiceOver.
>>
>> Consider:  In a commercial situation, or office environment, does a  
>> secretary have the time to continually paste documents into another  
>> programme just to check that her or his style is correct?  No,  
>> definitely not I would suggest.  This is something which, to be  
>> absolutely honest, is another frustrating aspect of working with  
>> Pages and VoiceOver.
>>
>> Now, don't get me wrong.  It's good that it can be done.  And I'm  
>> grateful to you for taking the time and trouble to explain the  
>> procedure for us.  Overly involved though it is, the plus side of  
>> that is that it's versatile.
>>
>> I'm definitely not looking for problems here.  I'm just frustrated  
>> that it's so messy a process.  Can you imagine how, if you have a  
>> document where you need to use multiple lists, (which is the  
>> situation I an in with the document I'm working on currently, it's  
>> going to be a very time-consuming process.
>>
>> That said, I've also had a huge problem with Nisus Writer Pro, and  
>> it's one which has me baffled.  If part of my document is an  
>> address header, Nisus simply isn't showing me the header at all,  
>> even though the text is part of the body of the document.
>>
>> Pages does show that, and it's clear how it's formatted.  So I  
>> guess it's a case of swings and roundabouts here.
>>
>> I still think though that Pages has some way to go before Apple can  
>> say it is 100% accessible.
>>
>> I am also noticing with Pages that words in my document are being  
>> read by VoiceOver as though they're split over 2 lines.  In actual  
>> fact, they're not split like that at all, which is very very  
>> misleading indeed.
>>
>> So I guess I'm going to have to try and find a different way of  
>> displaying these sections of my document as a "list".  I will be  
>> there forever if I keep having to paste into TextEdit all the time  
>> just to error check. :-)
>>
>> But Anne, thank you very much for the info.  Lynne, I guess, would  
>> be able to do that.  Actually you know, similar accessibility  
>> problems exist when inserting an E-`Mail hyperlink into a Pages  
>> document.  Although I've discovered that, by interacting with the  
>> link text once completed, one can actually change the no_reply at apple.com 
>>  to whatever you want it set to.  But I don't quite see how you  
>> enter the text to start with.
>>
>> Very interesting thread though, and well done for the post Anne.   
>> Excellent explanation.
>>
>> Gordon
>>
>> On 26 May 2010, at 16:59, Anne Robertson wrote:
>>
>> Hello Gordon,
>>
>> Here is how to produce a numbered list in Pages:
>>
>> ? Having entered the first item in the list, open the Inspector  
>> (Command-Option-i);
>> ? Select the Text button which is the fourth of ten;
>> ? Now select the Lists tab which is the second of four;
>> ? Navigate right to Indentation Type and open the menu (the default  
>> value is No Bullets);
>> ? Go down the menu until you find Numbers and press Return;
>> ? The pop up menu to the right of this is where you select the type  
>> of numbering you want (Arabic or Roman numerals, or letters upper  
>> case or lower case, all with or without brackets, etc.);
>> ? Return to your document by switching windows;
>> ? Press Return at the end of the first item which now bears the  
>> number 1 or whatever you chose, and Pages will generate a new item  
>> bearing the number 2 or whatever you chose.
>>
>> VoiceOver can't read these numbers, but if you select all the items  
>> in your list and copy them to the clipboard, you can paste them  
>> into a TextEdit document and check that they are correct.
>>
>> For something more complex, you can define a style sheet as a  
>> numbered paragraph and follow it with an unnumbered style. The next  
>> occurrence of the numbered style will automatically bear the next  
>> number in the sequence.
>>
>> Remember that you must always set a shortcut to be able to use a  
>> style. You can have up to 8 shortcuts in use at any time.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Anne
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 26, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> OK, I now have occasion to try out numbered lists in a document  
>>> because of a project which I'm working on.
>>>
>>> Dane, it seems, is quite correct that there doesn't seem to be a  
>>> way of producing numbered lists in Pages.
>>>
>>> At least, not using the keyboard alone there doesn't.  I'm not  
>>> sure whether there is a mouse-clickable option for doing this  
>>> which doesn't have a keyboard shortcut.
>>>
>>> So, it seems I'm going to have to try Nisus Writer Pro again and  
>>> see how you accomplish that task in that particular application.
>>>
>>> If they've done this right, I'd imagine it's just a case of  
>>> selecting the text you want in your numbered list, and then  
>>> choosing the list font.
>>>
>>> I'll also be interested to see how we go as far as PDF is  
>>> concerned although I think we'll probably end up using Adobe  
>>> Acrobat for that as we need accessibility tags and, sad though it  
>>> is, there is nothing available on the Mac platform which supports  
>>> them.
>>>
>>> As I highlighted last week, Adobe tell me that the lack of support  
>>> for accessibility in the Mac version of Acrobat and, indeed, in  
>>> other Mac applications which produce PDF released by other vendors  
>>> lack accessibility functionality for the same reason.  Apple  
>>> simply won't provide the API necessary to expose the document's  
>>> accessibility tags to VoiceOver.
>>>
>>> But that's another subject.  Irritating though it is, it looks  
>>> like I'll have to revert to Windows for that task.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________


From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Wed May 26 20:15:13 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 21:15:13 +0200
Subject: Numbered Lists
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Hello Gordon,

I haven't written to Accessibility yet as I'm planning to send them a more complete rundown of the accessibility problems, first with Pages, and then with all the iWork09 suite since I have to use all three applications for my work.

Cheers,

Anne


On May 26, 2010, at 8:34 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Anne
> 
> Yes, I understand what you're saying and I can see why you would do that.  I guess we can only hope that Apple improves things so that these elements are exposed to VoiceOver.  Did you write to the accessibility team and let them know about it?  If not, I will do so because I think it's quite a big issue.
> 
> Gordon


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 26 20:47:35 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 20:47:35 +0100
Subject: Numbered Lists
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Hello Anne

On 26 May 2010, at 20:15, Anne Robertson wrote:

? I haven't written to Accessibility yet as I'm planning to send them a more complete rundown of the accessibility problems, first with Pages, and then with all the iWork09 suite since I have to use all three applications for my work.

Please let us know, if they say anything positive. It would certainly be nice if they can improve things and, in my view, just as nice if they could give you access to iWeb and maybe some of the other iLife '09 programmes.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed May 26 20:54:07 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 20:54:07 +0100
Subject: Numbered Lists
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Hello Esther

I'll top quote here to save people re-reading the below. Your memory is amazing! Gordon's in the shower; but we do both remember that discussion actually because Gordon tried the experiments with TextEdit here as well. So yes, this does look like an exposure issue.

Hopefully Apple might fix it sooner rather than later. Just my opinion; but I think it would be nice if they could concentrate on fixing what's broken before adding new features.

Lynne


On 26 May 2010, at 19:43, Esther wrote:

I wasn't going to post, because Anne gave excellent instructions for making numbered lists in Pages before I could reply.  However, on the subject of VoiceOver announcing (or rather, not announcing) the numbered lists in Pages, I believe that this is related to the issue of formatted lists in rich text vs. plain text that Paul Hopewell, I, and a few other list members, discussed last July. He was trying to include a numbered list in mail, and couldn't get VoiceOver to announce them.  What happened was that when he used "Insert Numbered List" from mail's Format menu under the "Lists" option, VoiceOver wouldn't report the numbers, although he could read them on his Windows machine.  Further, we did some experimenting in copying this over to TextEdit, and whether the numbers showed up depended on whether we were using rich text or plain text settings.  I have the correspondence saved, since there were quite a number of specific experiments that we all did, and Paul finished by saying he would report this to Apple's accessibility team.  I'm fairly certain that you're seeing the same thing in terms of VoiceOver's behavior here.

Cheers,

Esther

On May 26, 2010, at 08:34, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Anne
> 
> Yes, I understand what you're saying and I can see why you would do that.  I guess we can only hope that Apple improves things so that these elements are exposed to VoiceOver.  Did you write to the accessibility team and let them know about it?  If not, I will do so because I think it's quite a big issue.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> On 26 May 2010, at 18:28, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
> Hello Gordon,
> 
> You're right that it's messy, but I just keep a blank TextEdit document open while I'm using Pages since there are more invisible items in Pages that I have to look out for. For instance, in Pages, VO can't see highlighting in another colour, whereas TextEdit can.
> 
> I currently have a document to translate which has passages highlighted in red that are not to be translated. I have to copy each paragraph into TextEdit to look at the text attributes.
> I have to use Pages because it does the best job of maintaining the formatting from Word.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On May 26, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi Anne
>> 
>> My problem with this method, although I'll take your word for it that it works, is that it's incredibly messy.  Frankly, you shouldn't have to mess around pasting your document into a text document, then repeating the process if there are errors, and so it goes on.  You simply have no on-the-fly method of handling numbered or styled lists with VoiceOver.
>> 
>> Consider:  In a commercial situation, or office environment, does a secretary have the time to continually paste documents into another programme just to check that her or his style is correct?  No, definitely not I would suggest.  This is something which, to be absolutely honest, is another frustrating aspect of working with Pages and VoiceOver.
>> 
>> Now, don't get me wrong.  It's good that it can be done.  And I'm grateful to you for taking the time and trouble to explain the procedure for us.  Overly involved though it is, the plus side of that is that it's versatile.
>> 
>> I'm definitely not looking for problems here.  I'm just frustrated that it's so messy a process.  Can you imagine how, if you have a document where you need to use multiple lists, (which is the situation I an in with the document I'm working on currently, it's going to be a very time-consuming process.
>> 
>> That said, I've also had a huge problem with Nisus Writer Pro, and it's one which has me baffled.  If part of my document is an address header, Nisus simply isn't showing me the header at all, even though the text is part of the body of the document.
>> 
>> Pages does show that, and it's clear how it's formatted.  So I guess it's a case of swings and roundabouts here.
>> 
>> I still think though that Pages has some way to go before Apple can say it is 100% accessible.
>> 
>> I am also noticing with Pages that words in my document are being read by VoiceOver as though they're split over 2 lines.  In actual fact, they're not split like that at all, which is very very misleading indeed.
>> 
>> So I guess I'm going to have to try and find a different way of displaying these sections of my document as a "list".  I will be there forever if I keep having to paste into TextEdit all the time just to error check. :-)
>> 
>> But Anne, thank you very much for the info.  Lynne, I guess, would be able to do that.  Actually you know, similar accessibility problems exist when inserting an E-`Mail hyperlink into a Pages document.  Although I've discovered that, by interacting with the link text once completed, one can actually change the no_reply at apple.com to whatever you want it set to.  But I don't quite see how you enter the text to start with.
>> 
>> Very interesting thread though, and well done for the post Anne.  Excellent explanation.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
>> On 26 May 2010, at 16:59, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Gordon,
>> 
>> Here is how to produce a numbered list in Pages:
>> 
>> ? Having entered the first item in the list, open the Inspector (Command-Option-i);
>> ? Select the Text button which is the fourth of ten;
>> ? Now select the Lists tab which is the second of four;
>> ? Navigate right to Indentation Type and open the menu (the default value is No Bullets);
>> ? Go down the menu until you find Numbers and press Return;
>> ? The pop up menu to the right of this is where you select the type of numbering you want (Arabic or Roman numerals, or letters upper case or lower case, all with or without brackets, etc.);
>> ? Return to your document by switching windows;
>> ? Press Return at the end of the first item which now bears the number 1 or whatever you chose, and Pages will generate a new item bearing the number 2 or whatever you chose.
>> 
>> VoiceOver can't read these numbers, but if you select all the items in your list and copy them to the clipboard, you can paste them into a TextEdit document and check that they are correct.
>> 
>> For something more complex, you can define a style sheet as a numbered paragraph and follow it with an unnumbered style. The next occurrence of the numbered style will automatically bear the next number in the sequence.
>> 
>> Remember that you must always set a shortcut to be able to use a style. You can have up to 8 shortcuts in use at any time.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 26, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi
>>> 
>>> OK, I now have occasion to try out numbered lists in a document because of a project which I'm working on.
>>> 
>>> Dane, it seems, is quite correct that there doesn't seem to be a way of producing numbered lists in Pages.
>>> 
>>> At least, not using the keyboard alone there doesn't.  I'm not sure whether there is a mouse-clickable option for doing this which doesn't have a keyboard shortcut.
>>> 
>>> So, it seems I'm going to have to try Nisus Writer Pro again and see how you accomplish that task in that particular application.
>>> 
>>> If they've done this right, I'd imagine it's just a case of selecting the text you want in your numbered list, and then choosing the list font.
>>> 
>>> I'll also be interested to see how we go as far as PDF is concerned although I think we'll probably end up using Adobe Acrobat for that as we need accessibility tags and, sad though it is, there is nothing available on the Mac platform which supports them.
>>> 
>>> As I highlighted last week, Adobe tell me that the lack of support for accessibility in the Mac version of Acrobat and, indeed, in other Mac applications which produce PDF released by other vendors lack accessibility functionality for the same reason.  Apple simply won't provide the API necessary to expose the document's accessibility tags to VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> But that's another subject.  Irritating though it is, it looks like I'll have to revert to Windows for that task.
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________

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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed May 26 21:26:33 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 06:26:33 +1000
Subject: Numbered Lists
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Yep I remember the discussion last year and I played quite a large part in it <smile> however I don't think the numbered lists issue is a specific issue to do with rtf formatting as this feature works perfectly! in Nisus Writer and that uses RTF by default.

So in other words what you see is what you hear in Nisus, suppose you set up a numbered list then you can navigate through it with your cursor keys and hear each number spoken.  If you set up a bulleted list in Nisus Writer than you can navigate through it with the cursor keys hearing each item marked with a bullet announced.


On 27/05/2010, at 4:43 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Gordon, Anne, and Others,
> 
> I wasn't going to post, because Anne gave excellent instructions for making numbered lists in Pages before I could reply.  However, on the subject of VoiceOver announcing (or rather, not announcing) the numbered lists in Pages, I believe that this is related to the issue of formatted lists in rich text vs. plain text that Paul Hopewell, I, and a few other list members, discussed last July. He was trying to include a numbered list in mail, and couldn't get VoiceOver to announce them.  What happened was that when he used "Insert Numbered List" from mail's Format menu under the "Lists" option, VoiceOver wouldn't report the numbers, although he could read them on his Windows machine.  Further, we did some experimenting in copying this over to TextEdit, and whether the numbers showed up depended on whether we were using rich text or plain text settings.  I have the correspondence saved, since there were quite a number of specific experiments that we all did, and Paul finished by saying he would report this to Apple's accessibility team.  I'm fairly certain that you're seeing the same thing in terms of VoiceOver's behavior here.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On May 26, 2010, at 08:34, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi Anne
>> 
>> Yes, I understand what you're saying and I can see why you would do that.  I guess we can only hope that Apple improves things so that these elements are exposed to VoiceOver.  Did you write to the accessibility team and let them know about it?  If not, I will do so because I think it's quite a big issue.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
>> 
>> On 26 May 2010, at 18:28, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Gordon,
>> 
>> You're right that it's messy, but I just keep a blank TextEdit document open while I'm using Pages since there are more invisible items in Pages that I have to look out for. For instance, in Pages, VO can't see highlighting in another colour, whereas TextEdit can.
>> 
>> I currently have a document to translate which has passages highlighted in red that are not to be translated. I have to copy each paragraph into TextEdit to look at the text attributes.
>> I have to use Pages because it does the best job of maintaining the formatting from Word.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On May 26, 2010, at 7:15 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Anne
>>> 
>>> My problem with this method, although I'll take your word for it that it works, is that it's incredibly messy.  Frankly, you shouldn't have to mess around pasting your document into a text document, then repeating the process if there are errors, and so it goes on.  You simply have no on-the-fly method of handling numbered or styled lists with VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> Consider:  In a commercial situation, or office environment, does a secretary have the time to continually paste documents into another programme just to check that her or his style is correct?  No, definitely not I would suggest.  This is something which, to be absolutely honest, is another frustrating aspect of working with Pages and VoiceOver.
>>> 
>>> Now, don't get me wrong.  It's good that it can be done.  And I'm grateful to you for taking the time and trouble to explain the procedure for us.  Overly involved though it is, the plus side of that is that it's versatile.
>>> 
>>> I'm definitely not looking for problems here.  I'm just frustrated that it's so messy a process.  Can you imagine how, if you have a document where you need to use multiple lists, (which is the situation I an in with the document I'm working on currently, it's going to be a very time-consuming process.
>>> 
>>> That said, I've also had a huge problem with Nisus Writer Pro, and it's one which has me baffled.  If part of my document is an address header, Nisus simply isn't showing me the header at all, even though the text is part of the body of the document.
>>> 
>>> Pages does show that, and it's clear how it's formatted.  So I guess it's a case of swings and roundabouts here.
>>> 
>>> I still think though that Pages has some way to go before Apple can say it is 100% accessible.
>>> 
>>> I am also noticing with Pages that words in my document are being read by VoiceOver as though they're split over 2 lines.  In actual fact, they're not split like that at all, which is very very misleading indeed.
>>> 
>>> So I guess I'm going to have to try and find a different way of displaying these sections of my document as a "list".  I will be there forever if I keep having to paste into TextEdit all the time just to error check. :-)
>>> 
>>> But Anne, thank you very much for the info.  Lynne, I guess, would be able to do that.  Actually you know, similar accessibility problems exist when inserting an E-`Mail hyperlink into a Pages document.  Although I've discovered that, by interacting with the link text once completed, one can actually change the no_reply at apple.com to whatever you want it set to.  But I don't quite see how you enter the text to start with.
>>> 
>>> Very interesting thread though, and well done for the post Anne.  Excellent explanation.
>>> 
>>> Gordon
>>> 
>>> On 26 May 2010, at 16:59, Anne Robertson wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Gordon,
>>> 
>>> Here is how to produce a numbered list in Pages:
>>> 
>>> ? Having entered the first item in the list, open the Inspector (Command-Option-i);
>>> ? Select the Text button which is the fourth of ten;
>>> ? Now select the Lists tab which is the second of four;
>>> ? Navigate right to Indentation Type and open the menu (the default value is No Bullets);
>>> ? Go down the menu until you find Numbers and press Return;
>>> ? The pop up menu to the right of this is where you select the type of numbering you want (Arabic or Roman numerals, or letters upper case or lower case, all with or without brackets, etc.);
>>> ? Return to your document by switching windows;
>>> ? Press Return at the end of the first item which now bears the number 1 or whatever you chose, and Pages will generate a new item bearing the number 2 or whatever you chose.
>>> 
>>> VoiceOver can't read these numbers, but if you select all the items in your list and copy them to the clipboard, you can paste them into a TextEdit document and check that they are correct.
>>> 
>>> For something more complex, you can define a style sheet as a numbered paragraph and follow it with an unnumbered style. The next occurrence of the numbered style will automatically bear the next number in the sequence.
>>> 
>>> Remember that you must always set a shortcut to be able to use a style. You can have up to 8 shortcuts in use at any time.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 26, 2010, at 5:02 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi
>>>> 
>>>> OK, I now have occasion to try out numbered lists in a document because of a project which I'm working on.
>>>> 
>>>> Dane, it seems, is quite correct that there doesn't seem to be a way of producing numbered lists in Pages.
>>>> 
>>>> At least, not using the keyboard alone there doesn't.  I'm not sure whether there is a mouse-clickable option for doing this which doesn't have a keyboard shortcut.
>>>> 
>>>> So, it seems I'm going to have to try Nisus Writer Pro again and see how you accomplish that task in that particular application.
>>>> 
>>>> If they've done this right, I'd imagine it's just a case of selecting the text you want in your numbered list, and then choosing the list font.
>>>> 
>>>> I'll also be interested to see how we go as far as PDF is concerned although I think we'll probably end up using Adobe Acrobat for that as we need accessibility tags and, sad though it is, there is nothing available on the Mac platform which supports them.
>>>> 
>>>> As I highlighted last week, Adobe tell me that the lack of support for accessibility in the Mac version of Acrobat and, indeed, in other Mac applications which produce PDF released by other vendors lack accessibility functionality for the same reason.  Apple simply won't provide the API necessary to expose the document's accessibility tags to VoiceOver.
>>>> 
>>>> But that's another subject.  Irritating though it is, it looks like I'll have to revert to Windows for that task.
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 27 07:05:04 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 07:05:04 +0100
Subject: Numbered Lists
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As I tried to write last night, but was prevented from doing so by she who thinks she must be obeyed, <huge laugh>, the numbered lists and other special format issue is one of API exposure.  That is what I got back from Apple yesterday evening.  It has nothing to do with the specific format whatsoever.

You said that "what you see is what you get".  This is also true of pages.  Actually, a numbered list should not be bulleted Dane, so why would you hear "Bullet" verbalised?
On 26 May 2010, at 21:26, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Yep I remember the discussion last year and I played quite a large part in it <smile> however I don't think the numbered lists issue is a specific issue to do with rtf formatting as this feature works perfectly! in Nisus Writer and that uses RTF by default.

So in other words what you see is what you hear in Nisus, suppose you set up a numbered list then you can navigate through it with your cursor keys and hear each number spoken.  If you set up a bulleted list in Nisus Writer than you can navigate through it with the cursor keys hearing each item marked with a bullet announced.



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 27 07:09:42 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 07:09:42 +0100
Subject: Knox
Message-ID: <28303DE1-671B-466B-A0FD-B9BAD4FA0AFB@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

Anybody else using Knox?  If so, are you having a problem whereby you cannot get the application to open in a window?  Yesterday we created a vault.  But each time we try to open the knox.app programme, it just drops back to the Finder as though we'd done nothing.

I'm not even able to enter in license data.

Gordon


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 27 07:16:44 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 07:16:44 +0100
Subject: Agile Software Moves Quickly
Message-ID: <9FD553D3-F176-4A36-826C-FB6D69DDCC34@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

Subsequent to my report yesterday, Agile Software has moved to fix their online store and receipt page.  This applies, we think, only to the Knox family License purchase.

Previously if you bought a family license, it would create fort you a 1Password license.  Nobody had reported this until I did, so received thanks from the company's founder in person.

Also, after you bought the family license, it was creating a page with a contact E-Mail address of "#".  That has also been fixed I believe, although the fixes may not have reached their site yet as they publish changes to their site at intervals apparently and it depends upon when their provider starts serving the data.

But at least they've fixed it.

I have dealt with companies in the past who have simply not responded to issues like that.  Parallels Corp being a prime example.  So I was gratified to receive their response.

As for Knox itself, as I wrote earlier, I'm having problems with it.  But on the occasion where I did have it running properly and created a fault, it was 100% accessible.

I'm just glad, for the moment, that I did not copy any important data to that vault because it is currently invisible.

Gordon


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May 27 07:17:18 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 16:17:18 +1000
Subject: Knox
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Yes! and I'm trying to get in touch with the developer right now on this, I've been able to register the product thanks to its automatic registration function and I've been able to set up 1 secure location which I'm using but that's as far as I've managed to get.


On 27/05/2010, at 4:09 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Anybody else using Knox?  If so, are you having a problem whereby you cannot get the application to open in a window?  Yesterday we created a vault.  But each time we try to open the knox.app programme, it just drops back to the Finder as though we'd done nothing.
> 
> I'm not even able to enter in license data.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 27 07:19:07 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 07:19:07 +0100
Subject: Knox
In-Reply-To: <76EB2E9F-9CB3-40E5-9A3A-F48F4EFA6759@internode.on.net>
References: <28303DE1-671B-466B-A0FD-B9BAD4FA0AFB@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<76EB2E9F-9CB3-40E5-9A3A-F48F4EFA6759@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <383B9188-2B4B-4D2B-93FD-60367182836B@tft-bbs.co.uk>

It seems it only runs once.  Then you hit problems.

But I've just had an idea which might work but, if it does, it's not how it should be.

On 27 May 2010, at 07:17, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Yes! and I'm trying to get in touch with the developer right now on this, I've been able to register the product thanks to its automatic registration function and I've been able to set up 1 secure location which I'm using but that's as far as I've managed to get.



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May 27 10:58:17 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 19:58:17 +1000
Subject: Knox
In-Reply-To: <383B9188-2B4B-4D2B-93FD-60367182836B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <28303DE1-671B-466B-A0FD-B9BAD4FA0AFB@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<76EB2E9F-9CB3-40E5-9A3A-F48F4EFA6759@internode.on.net>
	<383B9188-2B4B-4D2B-93FD-60367182836B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <85B7B357-340D-45CE-9AE9-9FA407A69408@internode.on.net>

Yep, that's exactly what happened here.


On 27/05/2010, at 4:19 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> It seems it only runs once.  Then you hit problems.
> 
> But I've just had an idea which might work but, if it does, it's not how it should be.
> 
> On 27 May 2010, at 07:17, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Yes! and I'm trying to get in touch with the developer right now on this, I've been able to register the product thanks to its automatic registration function and I've been able to set up 1 secure location which I'm using but that's as far as I've managed to get.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
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From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk  Thu May 27 11:05:57 2010
From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:05:57 +0100
Subject: Knox
In-Reply-To: <76EB2E9F-9CB3-40E5-9A3A-F48F4EFA6759@internode.on.net>
References: <28303DE1-671B-466B-A0FD-B9BAD4FA0AFB@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<76EB2E9F-9CB3-40E5-9A3A-F48F4EFA6759@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <31A7C522-714B-462F-9D8A-24388003F7F1@hopewell.org.uk>

Hello, 
As a possible alternative security vault product have a look at TrueCrypt. This has the advantage of being Freeware. I have been using it now on my IMAC and also on Windows for over a year and it is fully accessible and works well. Just google TrueCCrypt.
  
Paul Hopewell 
On 27 May 2010, at 07:17, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Yes! and I'm trying to get in touch with the developer right now on this, I've been able to register the product thanks to its automatic registration function and I've been able to set up 1 secure location which I'm using but that's as far as I've managed to get.
> 
> 
> On 27/05/2010, at 4:09 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> Anybody else using Knox?  If so, are you having a problem whereby you cannot get the application to open in a window?  Yesterday we created a vault.  But each time we try to open the knox.app programme, it just drops back to the Finder as though we'd done nothing.
>> 
>> I'm not even able to enter in license data.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
>> 
>> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
>> 
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>> 
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> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May 27 11:25:01 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:25:01 +1000
Subject: Knox
In-Reply-To: <31A7C522-714B-462F-9D8A-24388003F7F1@hopewell.org.uk>
References: <28303DE1-671B-466B-A0FD-B9BAD4FA0AFB@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<76EB2E9F-9CB3-40E5-9A3A-F48F4EFA6759@internode.on.net>
	<31A7C522-714B-462F-9D8A-24388003F7F1@hopewell.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4A71DD5F-17CF-46F4-B322-09CF5E895C55@internode.on.net>

Excellent! glad there's a another alternative around and I will use it if I have to but as I bought Knox I think it only fair that I do my best to contact the developer and see if this problem that people are experiencing with the software can be resolved.  As it stands now the software is next to inaccessible it would appear with Voiceover and I'm sure everyone would agree that the more accessible software there is out there for the Mac then the better the Mac experience is for users <smile>.


On 27/05/2010, at 8:05 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote:

> Hello, 
> As a possible alternative security vault product have a look at TrueCrypt. This has the advantage of being Freeware. I have been using it now on my IMAC and also on Windows for over a year and it is fully accessible and works well. Just google TrueCCrypt.
> 
> Paul Hopewell 
> On 27 May 2010, at 07:17, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> Yes! and I'm trying to get in touch with the developer right now on this, I've been able to register the product thanks to its automatic registration function and I've been able to set up 1 secure location which I'm using but that's as far as I've managed to get.
>> 
>> 
>> On 27/05/2010, at 4:09 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> Anybody else using Knox?  If so, are you having a problem whereby you cannot get the application to open in a window?  Yesterday we created a vault.  But each time we try to open the knox.app programme, it just drops back to the Finder as though we'd done nothing.
>>> 
>>> I'm not even able to enter in license data.
>>> 
>>> Gordon
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
>>> 
>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
>>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
>>> 
>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free!
>>> 
>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at:
>>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
>> 
>> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
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> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 27 11:25:12 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:25:12 +0100
Subject: Knox
In-Reply-To: <85B7B357-340D-45CE-9AE9-9FA407A69408@internode.on.net>
References: <28303DE1-671B-466B-A0FD-B9BAD4FA0AFB@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<76EB2E9F-9CB3-40E5-9A3A-F48F4EFA6759@internode.on.net>
	<383B9188-2B4B-4D2B-93FD-60367182836B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<85B7B357-340D-45CE-9AE9-9FA407A69408@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <141699B8-4F66-4901-B4A6-C37A1BDEB83D@tft-bbs.co.uk>

I've also contacted the developers so I'll let you know if I hear anything before you do.

I trust you mentioned that you're a VoiceOver user?  It could actually be an interaction between Knox and VO.  I doubt it, but you never know.

On 27 May 2010, at 10:58, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Yep, that's exactly what happened here.



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 27 11:28:50 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:28:50 +0100
Subject: Knox
In-Reply-To: <31A7C522-714B-462F-9D8A-24388003F7F1@hopewell.org.uk>
References: <28303DE1-671B-466B-A0FD-B9BAD4FA0AFB@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<76EB2E9F-9CB3-40E5-9A3A-F48F4EFA6759@internode.on.net>
	<31A7C522-714B-462F-9D8A-24388003F7F1@hopewell.org.uk>
Message-ID: <55E45ADB-5076-4D00-AEA6-EA3EB77ABCD3@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Paul

The reason we went Knox is because Knox includes whole disk encryption.  Therefore, in theory, you can lock your OS up tight, all be it you'd need to do a re-install first.

Another thing has just popped into my head which I'll discuss off list with Dane as I think he's the only other Knox user.  But thank you for the info, I will look at that.

Gordon


On 27 May 2010, at 11:05, Paul Hopewell wrote:

As a possible alternative security vault product have a look at TrueCrypt. This has the advantage of being Freeware. I have been using it now on my IMAC and also on Windows for over a year and it is fully accessible and works well. Just google TrueCCrypt.


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May 27 11:34:37 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:34:37 +1000
Subject: Knox
In-Reply-To: <141699B8-4F66-4901-B4A6-C37A1BDEB83D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <28303DE1-671B-466B-A0FD-B9BAD4FA0AFB@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<76EB2E9F-9CB3-40E5-9A3A-F48F4EFA6759@internode.on.net>
	<383B9188-2B4B-4D2B-93FD-60367182836B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<85B7B357-340D-45CE-9AE9-9FA407A69408@internode.on.net>
	<141699B8-4F66-4901-B4A6-C37A1BDEB83D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C09F80B1-724A-4D6D-BAC6-9B2276196BED@internode.on.net>

Yep, I certainly did! ah well, at least 2 people contacted them.


On 27/05/2010, at 8:25 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> I've also contacted the developers so I'll let you know if I hear anything before you do.
> 
> I trust you mentioned that you're a VoiceOver user?  It could actually be an interaction between Knox and VO.  I doubt it, but you never know.
> 
> On 27 May 2010, at 10:58, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Yep, that's exactly what happened here.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
> 
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> 
> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at:
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 27 11:46:11 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 11:46:11 +0100
Subject: Knox, maybe this will help
Message-ID: <C5D2AE2A-52A7-446A-B78C-5EF059DD5CC4@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello all Knox users.

Please try deleting /users/<username>/library/preferences/nox.plist and then run Knox again.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 27 13:23:57 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 13:23:57 +0100
Subject: Dane's Message: (Was Knox)
Message-ID: <E1FAF4D3-4E3A-43DD-8663-B4FB6D04FC41@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Dane, you attached a file to your message so it was rejected.

You said that you couldn't find the file.  Make sure you are looking in the library under your home folder not the library folder off the root of the drive.

I found it there and removed it and then Knox worked. But I haven't had time to try it again since then. Something came up.

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May 27 11:54:36 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 20:54:36 +1000
Subject: Knox, maybe this will help
In-Reply-To: <C5D2AE2A-52A7-446A-B78C-5EF059DD5CC4@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <C5D2AE2A-52A7-446A-B78C-5EF059DD5CC4@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E4528DD4-D971-4C9A-B5FB-9BE720C7E5BE@internode.on.net>

Interesting, I can't seem to locate a  preference file anywhere, even used Spotlight to try and find it so, odd.


On 27/05/2010, at 8:46 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello all Knox users.
> 
> Please try deleting /users/<username>/library/preferences/nox.plist and then run Knox again.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
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> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 27 21:09:33 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 21:09:33 +0100
Subject: Knox, maybe this will help
In-Reply-To: <E4528DD4-D971-4C9A-B5FB-9BE720C7E5BE@internode.on.net>
References: <C5D2AE2A-52A7-446A-B78C-5EF059DD5CC4@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<E4528DD4-D971-4C9A-B5FB-9BE720C7E5BE@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <E25FCAD4-B272-42A9-A805-A0320F906ACE@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 27 May 2010, at 11:54, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Interesting, I can't seem to locate a  preference file anywhere, even used Spotlight to try and find it so, odd.

I told you precisely where the file is. :-) So why do you need to use Spotlight to locate it? Lynne; puzzled.


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May 27 21:58:34 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 06:58:34 +1000
Subject: Knox, maybe this will help
In-Reply-To: <E25FCAD4-B272-42A9-A805-A0320F906ACE@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <C5D2AE2A-52A7-446A-B78C-5EF059DD5CC4@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<E4528DD4-D971-4C9A-B5FB-9BE720C7E5BE@internode.on.net>
	<E25FCAD4-B272-42A9-A805-A0320F906ACE@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B4957FE5-FF32-4ED7-9B53-6D054DF8346C@internode.on.net>

Because the file ain't there where you said I'd find it so there we are!


On 28/05/2010, at 6:09 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 27 May 2010, at 11:54, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> ? Interesting, I can't seem to locate a  preference file anywhere, even used Spotlight to try and find it so, odd.
> 
> I told you precisely where the file is. :-) So why do you need to use Spotlight to locate it? Lynne; puzzled.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
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> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May 27 22:00:14 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 07:00:14 +1000
Subject: Support Forums for Knox, 1 Password etc
Message-ID: <00F71A13-D5C3-4116-98FD-6A08B30CC3D4@internode.on.net>

Hi!

If anyone has any problems with Knox, 1 Password etc then they can use this link to contact developers.
http://support.agilewebsolutions.com


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 27 22:44:48 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:44:48 +0100
Subject: Knox, maybe this will help
In-Reply-To: <B4957FE5-FF32-4ED7-9B53-6D054DF8346C@internode.on.net>
References: <C5D2AE2A-52A7-446A-B78C-5EF059DD5CC4@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<E4528DD4-D971-4C9A-B5FB-9BE720C7E5BE@internode.on.net>
	<E25FCAD4-B272-42A9-A805-A0320F906ACE@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<B4957FE5-FF32-4ED7-9B53-6D054DF8346C@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <63893D02-D2C5-44F3-9F40-FD8E9C267349@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 27 May 2010, at 21:58, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Because the file ain't there where you said I'd find it so there we are!

Did you understand what I meant by <username>/? I meant the home folder of your user account.

I don't understand why the file wouldn't be there; it certainly is on 2 of our machines where we installed Knox. We got exactly the same results on each machine. And I should add also that the Knox window disappears even without VoiceOver running; so it is not a VoiceOver issue.

To be honest at this point in time it looks like a total waste of money.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu May 27 22:48:53 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 22:48:53 +0100
Subject: Support Forums for Knox, 1 Password etc
In-Reply-To: <00F71A13-D5C3-4116-98FD-6A08B30CC3D4@internode.on.net>
References: <00F71A13-D5C3-4116-98FD-6A08B30CC3D4@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <9C1746FD-5626-44D9-A549-A89C23C9224A@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane
On 27 May 2010, at 22:00, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? If anyone has any problems with Knox, 1 Password etc then they can use this link to contact developers.
http://support.agilewebsolutions.com

To add to this; they also use that as an email address so you can skip the forms if there are any. We got a response that way when the store stuffed up the licenses.

1Password suddenly started working properly for us the other day; for reasons we do not know. But on that subject, Text Expander simply won't work.

It sees our snippets and they're all listed correctly. But whatever we do it won't work.

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu May 27 23:01:15 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 08:01:15 +1000
Subject: Support Forums for Knox, 1 Password etc
In-Reply-To: <9C1746FD-5626-44D9-A549-A89C23C9224A@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <00F71A13-D5C3-4116-98FD-6A08B30CC3D4@internode.on.net>
	<9C1746FD-5626-44D9-A549-A89C23C9224A@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <42ABBAA3-61B7-4504-A10E-E47708B8AB68@internode.on.net>

Silly question I'm sure <smile> but have you launched Text Expander? It seems that the new version is not a preference pane in the system preferences any longer, you have to launch Text Expander as a separate application and have it running in the background.


On 28/05/2010, at 7:48 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> On 27 May 2010, at 22:00, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> ? If anyone has any problems with Knox, 1 Password etc then they can use this link to contact developers.
> http://support.agilewebsolutions.com
> 
> To add to this; they also use that as an email address so you can skip the forms if there are any. We got a response that way when the store stuffed up the licenses.
> 
> 1Password suddenly started working properly for us the other day; for reasons we do not know. But on that subject, Text Expander simply won't work.
> 
> It sees our snippets and they're all listed correctly. But whatever we do it won't work.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
> 
> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free!
> 
> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at:
> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 28 10:15:09 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 10:15:09 +0100
Subject: Support Forums for Knox, 1 Password etc
In-Reply-To: <42ABBAA3-61B7-4504-A10E-E47708B8AB68@internode.on.net>
References: <00F71A13-D5C3-4116-98FD-6A08B30CC3D4@internode.on.net>
	<9C1746FD-5626-44D9-A549-A89C23C9224A@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Hello Dane

On 27 May 2010, at 23:01, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Silly question I'm sure <smile> but have you launched Text Expander? It seems that the new version is not a preference pane in the system preferences any longer, you have to launch Text Expander as a separate application and have it running in the background.

Yes we launched it, or it wouldn't run. :) But are you saying you can no longer close the window?

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri May 28 10:54:28 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 19:54:28 +1000
Subject: Support Forums for Knox, 1 Password etc
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That's how it works here yep!


On 28/05/2010, at 7:15 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 27 May 2010, at 23:01, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> ? Silly question I'm sure <smile> but have you launched Text Expander? It seems that the new version is not a preference pane in the system preferences any longer, you have to launch Text Expander as a separate application and have it running in the background.
> 
> Yes we launched it, or it wouldn't run. :) But are you saying you can no longer close the window?
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 28 12:18:37 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 12:18:37 +0100
Subject: Support Forums for Knox, 1 Password etc
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Hello Dane

On 28 May 2010, at 10:54, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? That's how it works here yep!

Then it's time for us to say bye bye to that programme. The display is cluttered enough as it is, to be honest.

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri May 28 12:52:13 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 21:52:13 +1000
Subject: Support Forums for Knox, 1 Password etc
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Perhaps it's time to take another look at Keyvoard Miastro then?



Sent from Dane's Iphone +61457756048

On 28/05/2010, at 9:18 PM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" <lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk 
 > wrote:

> Hello Dane
>
> On 28 May 2010, at 10:54, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>
> ? That's how it works here yep!
>
> Then it's time for us to say bye bye to that programme. The display  
> is cluttered enough as it is, to be honest.
>
> Lynne
>
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 28 13:07:40 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 13:07:40 +0100
Subject: Support Forums for Knox, 1 Password etc
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Maybe, or maybe it's time to just stop being lazy. :-)

BTW you have the capital letters in the wrong places on your "sent from Dane's iPhone" bla bla la.  The P of Phone, not the I should be capitalised.  Not, of course a big deal at all.  Just noticed it as I read your post.

But I'm going to write to the people at SmileOnMyMac and ask them if you really do have to keep the window open.


On 28 May 2010, at 12:52, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Perhaps it's time to take another look at Keyvoard Miastro then?


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri May 28 14:24:53 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 23:24:53 +1000
Subject: Support Forums for Knox, 1 Password etc
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I'm looking at some options in the Text Expander preferences now and they may do what you require however some seem inaccessible so I'm not quite sure what they do.


On 28/05/2010, at 10:07 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Maybe, or maybe it's time to just stop being lazy. :-)
> 
> BTW you have the capital letters in the wrong places on your "sent from Dane's iPhone" bla bla la.  The P of Phone, not the I should be capitalised.  Not, of course a big deal at all.  Just noticed it as I read your post.
> 
> But I'm going to write to the people at SmileOnMyMac and ask them if you really do have to keep the window open.
> 
> 
> On 28 May 2010, at 12:52, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Perhaps it's time to take another look at Keyvoard Miastro then?
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 28 14:32:30 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:32:30 +0100
Subject: Radio listening on the iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch
Message-ID: <2F64B8CF-E64B-4F1B-8A83-519BC2B1147E@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

What radio listening programmes are now available for these platforms I wonder which people have used and find accessible?  We have one on my iPhone that's called In-Car radio or Tuner FM or something like that, I can't quite remember.

But either this doesn't work any longer or I'm doing something wrong because when I try to search for a station in the application's control panel, nothing I search for works at all.

I tried ABC (US) stations, CBS, the ABC is Australia and, of course, the one that interests me the most, the BBC national services here in the UK.

I just don't get any stations at all found so I'd like to try something else so I can ditch that thing.

Gordon


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 28 14:33:58 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:33:58 +0100
Subject: Support Forums for Knox, 1 Password etc
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I've just sent their support people a message so we'll see what they come back with.

On 28 May 2010, at 14:24, Dane Trethowan wrote:

I'm looking at some options in the Text Expander preferences now and they may do what you require however some seem inaccessible so I'm not quite sure what they do.


On 28/05/2010, at 10:07 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Maybe, or maybe it's time to just stop being lazy. :-)
> 
> BTW you have the capital letters in the wrong places on your "sent from Dane's iPhone" bla bla la.  The P of Phone, not the I should be capitalised.  Not, of course a big deal at all.  Just noticed it as I read your post.
> 
> But I'm going to write to the people at SmileOnMyMac and ask them if you really do have to keep the window open.
> 
> 
> On 28 May 2010, at 12:52, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Perhaps it's time to take another look at Keyvoard Miastro then?
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri May 28 14:36:18 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 23:36:18 +1000
Subject: Radio listening on the iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <2F64B8CF-E64B-4F1B-8A83-519BC2B1147E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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I use 2 here, the main one I use is Ootunes and the other is Wunder radio.  Ootunes has some nice features like the ability to record streams.  Wunder Radio makes use of the GPS on the Iphone so you can dig up streams for your local area for example, handy when you're travelling.

One thing that annoys some people about Ootunes is that you can't adjust the volume independently of Ootunes from Voiceover but this doesn't worry me at all.


On 28/05/2010, at 11:32 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> What radio listening programmes are now available for these platforms I wonder which people have used and find accessible?  We have one on my iPhone that's called In-Car radio or Tuner FM or something like that, I can't quite remember.
> 
> But either this doesn't work any longer or I'm doing something wrong because when I try to search for a station in the application's control panel, nothing I search for works at all.
> 
> I tried ABC (US) stations, CBS, the ABC is Australia and, of course, the one that interests me the most, the BBC national services here in the UK.
> 
> I just don't get any stations at all found so I'd like to try something else so I can ditch that thing.
> 
> Gordon
> 
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> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri May 28 14:37:05 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 23:37:05 +1000
Subject: Support Forums for Knox, 1 Password etc
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Judging by the options section I'm sure there will be a way to fix this.


On 28/05/2010, at 11:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> I've just sent their support people a message so we'll see what they come back with.
> 
> On 28 May 2010, at 14:24, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> I'm looking at some options in the Text Expander preferences now and they may do what you require however some seem inaccessible so I'm not quite sure what they do.
> 
> 
> On 28/05/2010, at 10:07 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Maybe, or maybe it's time to just stop being lazy. :-)
>> 
>> BTW you have the capital letters in the wrong places on your "sent from Dane's iPhone" bla bla la.  The P of Phone, not the I should be capitalised.  Not, of course a big deal at all.  Just noticed it as I read your post.
>> 
>> But I'm going to write to the people at SmileOnMyMac and ask them if you really do have to keep the window open.
>> 
>> 
>> On 28 May 2010, at 12:52, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps it's time to take another look at Keyvoard Miastro then?
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
>> 
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From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Fri May 28 15:44:50 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:44:50 +0200
Subject: Radio listening on the iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <2F64B8CF-E64B-4F1B-8A83-519BC2B1147E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <2F64B8CF-E64B-4F1B-8A83-519BC2B1147E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8DCF2D1A-8B90-47E7-A147-57495CA32632@anarchie.org.uk>

Hello Gordon,

I just tried iCar Radio lite, which is Tunin FM, on my iPhone and can get BBC Radio4 just fine.

You scroll through the categories until you find Talk, double tap on that, then scroll down to BBC Radio4 and double tap on that. You'll hear some tones and VoiceOver will say, "Connecting" a couple of times and then Radio4 will start to play.

Cheers,

Anne


On May 28, 2010, at 3:32 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> What radio listening programmes are now available for these platforms I wonder which people have used and find accessible?  We have one on my iPhone that's called In-Car radio or Tuner FM or something like that, I can't quite remember.
> 
> But either this doesn't work any longer or I'm doing something wrong because when I try to search for a station in the application's control panel, nothing I search for works at all.
> 
> I tried ABC (US) stations, CBS, the ABC is Australia and, of course, the one that interests me the most, the BBC national services here in the UK.
> 
> I just don't get any stations at all found so I'd like to try something else so I can ditch that thing.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 28 16:53:16 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:53:16 +0100
Subject: Radio listening on the iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <81D7EE62-142F-4FAF-B5D4-23C8081D2A33@internode.on.net>
References: <2F64B8CF-E64B-4F1B-8A83-519BC2B1147E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<81D7EE62-142F-4FAF-B5D4-23C8081D2A33@internode.on.net>
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I seem to remember trying Ootunes last year when somebody mentioned it and I didn't think a great deal of it at the time.  I'll go and get a hold of Wunder Radio.

On 28 May 2010, at 14:36, Dane Trethowan wrote:

I use 2 here, the main one I use is Ootunes and the other is Wunder radio.  Ootunes has some nice features like the ability to record streams.  Wunder Radio makes use of the GPS on the Iphone so you can dig up streams for your local area for example, handy when you're travelling.

One thing that annoys some people about Ootunes is that you can't adjust the volume independently of Ootunes from Voiceover but this doesn't worry me at all.


On 28/05/2010, at 11:32 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> What radio listening programmes are now available for these platforms I wonder which people have used and find accessible?  We have one on my iPhone that's called In-Car radio or Tuner FM or something like that, I can't quite remember.
> 
> But either this doesn't work any longer or I'm doing something wrong because when I try to search for a station in the application's control panel, nothing I search for works at all.
> 
> I tried ABC (US) stations, CBS, the ABC is Australia and, of course, the one that interests me the most, the BBC national services here in the UK.
> 
> I just don't get any stations at all found so I'd like to try something else so I can ditch that thing.
> 
> Gordon
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 28 16:54:26 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:54:26 +0100
Subject: Support Forums for Knox, 1 Password etc
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The only option is to hide the application.  But it stays in the task list when you command+Tab.  Actually I mean hide the window.  So to me that's very bad programming.

On 28 May 2010, at 14:37, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Judging by the options section I'm sure there will be a way to fix this.


On 28/05/2010, at 11:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> I've just sent their support people a message so we'll see what they come back with.
> 
> On 28 May 2010, at 14:24, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> I'm looking at some options in the Text Expander preferences now and they may do what you require however some seem inaccessible so I'm not quite sure what they do.
> 
> 
> On 28/05/2010, at 10:07 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Maybe, or maybe it's time to just stop being lazy. :-)
>> 
>> BTW you have the capital letters in the wrong places on your "sent from Dane's iPhone" bla bla la.  The P of Phone, not the I should be capitalised.  Not, of course a big deal at all.  Just noticed it as I read your post.
>> 
>> But I'm going to write to the people at SmileOnMyMac and ask them if you really do have to keep the window open.
>> 
>> 
>> On 28 May 2010, at 12:52, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> Perhaps it's time to take another look at Keyvoard Miastro then?
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 28 16:57:11 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 16:57:11 +0100
Subject: Radio listening on the iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch
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Hi Anne

That's what I don't understand, the category list on my iPhone is blank, there's absolutely nothing there at all.

I'll try it again and also on the iPod.

Thanks


On 28 May 2010, at 15:44, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello Gordon,

I just tried iCar Radio lite, which is Tunin FM, on my iPhone and can get BBC Radio4 just fine.

You scroll through the categories until you find Talk, double tap on that, then scroll down to BBC Radio4 and double tap on that. You'll hear some tones and VoiceOver will say, "Connecting" a couple of times and then Radio4 will start to play.

Cheers,

Anne


On May 28, 2010, at 3:32 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> What radio listening programmes are now available for these platforms I wonder which people have used and find accessible?  We have one on my iPhone that's called In-Car radio or Tuner FM or something like that, I can't quite remember.
> 
> But either this doesn't work any longer or I'm doing something wrong because when I try to search for a station in the application's control panel, nothing I search for works at all.
> 
> I tried ABC (US) stations, CBS, the ABC is Australia and, of course, the one that interests me the most, the BBC national services here in the UK.
> 
> I just don't get any stations at all found so I'd like to try something else so I can ditch that thing.
> 
> Gordon
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri May 28 16:57:25 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 01:57:25 +1000
Subject: Support Forums for Knox, 1 Password etc
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Yep I agree with that and I thought the whole idea of Text Expander was that it ran in the background and you didn't know it ran in the background until you needed its service by typing keystrokes but again, some of the preferences may help you out.


On 29/05/2010, at 1:54 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> The only option is to hide the application.  But it stays in the task list when you command+Tab.  Actually I mean hide the window.  So to me that's very bad programming.
> 
> On 28 May 2010, at 14:37, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Judging by the options section I'm sure there will be a way to fix this.
> 
> 
> On 28/05/2010, at 11:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> I've just sent their support people a message so we'll see what they come back with.
>> 
>> On 28 May 2010, at 14:24, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> I'm looking at some options in the Text Expander preferences now and they may do what you require however some seem inaccessible so I'm not quite sure what they do.
>> 
>> 
>> On 28/05/2010, at 10:07 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Maybe, or maybe it's time to just stop being lazy. :-)
>>> 
>>> BTW you have the capital letters in the wrong places on your "sent from Dane's iPhone" bla bla la.  The P of Phone, not the I should be capitalised.  Not, of course a big deal at all.  Just noticed it as I read your post.
>>> 
>>> But I'm going to write to the people at SmileOnMyMac and ask them if you really do have to keep the window open.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28 May 2010, at 12:52, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> 
>>> Perhaps it's time to take another look at Keyvoard Miastro then?
>>> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 28 17:33:02 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 17:33:02 +0100
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Hello Dane

On 28 May 2010, at 16:57, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Yep I agree with that and I thought the whole idea of Text Expander was that it ran in the background and you didn't know it ran in the background until you needed its service by typing keystrokes but again, some of the preferences may help you out.

It was, that was one of their selling points. This has, it seems, now changed. So in our opinion, TextExpander 3 isn't an upgrade, it's a downgrade.

Lynne

On 29/05/2010, at 1:54 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> The only option is to hide the application.  But it stays in the task list when you command+Tab.  Actually I mean hide the window.  So to me that's very bad programming.
> 
> On 28 May 2010, at 14:37, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Judging by the options section I'm sure there will be a way to fix this.
> 
> 
> On 28/05/2010, at 11:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> I've just sent their support people a message so we'll see what they come back with.
>> 
>> On 28 May 2010, at 14:24, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> I'm looking at some options in the Text Expander preferences now and they may do what you require however some seem inaccessible so I'm not quite sure what they do.
>> 
>> 
>> On 28/05/2010, at 10:07 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Maybe, or maybe it's time to just stop being lazy. :-)
>>> 
>>> BTW you have the capital letters in the wrong places on your "sent from Dane's iPhone" bla bla la.  The P of Phone, not the I should be capitalised.  Not, of course a big deal at all.  Just noticed it as I read your post.
>>> 
>>> But I'm going to write to the people at SmileOnMyMac and ask them if you really do have to keep the window open.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28 May 2010, at 12:52, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> 
>>> Perhaps it's time to take another look at Keyvoard Miastro then?
>>> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri May 28 18:04:08 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 03:04:08 +1000
Subject: Support Forums for Knox, 1 Password etc
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Well as I said, take a look in the preferences, I don't know for certain as some don't seem to be accessible but it seems you may get a pleasant surprise with some of the options there, let me know how you get on.


On 29/05/2010, at 2:33 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 28 May 2010, at 16:57, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> ? Yep I agree with that and I thought the whole idea of Text Expander was that it ran in the background and you didn't know it ran in the background until you needed its service by typing keystrokes but again, some of the preferences may help you out.
> 
> It was, that was one of their selling points. This has, it seems, now changed. So in our opinion, TextExpander 3 isn't an upgrade, it's a downgrade.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> On 29/05/2010, at 1:54 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> The only option is to hide the application.  But it stays in the task list when you command+Tab.  Actually I mean hide the window.  So to me that's very bad programming.
>> 
>> On 28 May 2010, at 14:37, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> Judging by the options section I'm sure there will be a way to fix this.
>> 
>> 
>> On 28/05/2010, at 11:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> I've just sent their support people a message so we'll see what they come back with.
>>> 
>>> On 28 May 2010, at 14:24, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm looking at some options in the Text Expander preferences now and they may do what you require however some seem inaccessible so I'm not quite sure what they do.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 28/05/2010, at 10:07 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Maybe, or maybe it's time to just stop being lazy. :-)
>>>> 
>>>> BTW you have the capital letters in the wrong places on your "sent from Dane's iPhone" bla bla la.  The P of Phone, not the I should be capitalised.  Not, of course a big deal at all.  Just noticed it as I read your post.
>>>> 
>>>> But I'm going to write to the people at SmileOnMyMac and ask them if you really do have to keep the window open.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 28 May 2010, at 12:52, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps it's time to take another look at Keyvoard Miastro then?
>>>> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 28 18:28:41 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 18:28:41 +0100
Subject: Attention; Dane
Message-ID: <2840DD70-7E21-4902-A86A-C1D23C112279@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Danre

I just checked http://gh-accessibility.com for Gordon, as per your suggestion. I see nothing there about a DAISY player for iPhone & iPod Touch as you seemed to infer there was one.

Can you shed any light because we've been hearing stories but so far seen nothing.

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri May 28 18:36:53 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 03:36:53 +1000
Subject: Attention; Dane
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Right well sorry about that, I briefly looked at the page the other day and thought I saw it mentioned.


On 29/05/2010, at 3:28 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Danre
> 
> I just checked http://gh-accessibility.com for Gordon, as per your suggestion. I see nothing there about a DAISY player for iPhone & iPod Touch as you seemed to infer there was one.
> 
> Can you shed any light because we've been hearing stories but so far seen nothing.
> 
> Lynne
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 28 23:44:50 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 23:44:50 +0100
Subject: Knox, solution
Message-ID: <10505245-49E6-4907-A64F-2EBD962B8267@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all Knox users.

OK, here's a way to make it accessible.

1.  run /Applications/Utilities/activity monitor.app

2.  Do a search for the active process "knox" (without the quotes).

3.  With the process highlighted, press Command+Option+Q or use View/Quit Process.

4.  Open the Terminal and enter the following command exactly as shown:

defaults write com.knoxformac.knox KnoxApplicationMode 0

5.  Close Terminal

6.  Run the knox application.

You'll now get a blank process running, but you'll find you have a top level menu structure available now with all Knox's preferences and functions there.

Hope that helps.

Gordon



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri May 28 23:54:26 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 08:54:26 +1000
Subject: Knox, solution
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Thanks very much, extremely helpful.


On 29/05/2010, at 8:44 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all Knox users.
> 
> OK, here's a way to make it accessible.
> 
> 1.  run /Applications/Utilities/activity monitor.app
> 
> 2.  Do a search for the active process "knox" (without the quotes).
> 
> 3.  With the process highlighted, press Command+Option+Q or use View/Quit Process.
> 
> 4.  Open the Terminal and enter the following command exactly as shown:
> 
> defaults write com.knoxformac.knox KnoxApplicationMode 0
> 
> 5.  Close Terminal
> 
> 6.  Run the knox application.
> 
> You'll now get a blank process running, but you'll find you have a top level menu structure available now with all Knox's preferences and functions there.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri May 28 23:56:39 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 23:56:39 +0100
Subject: Knox, solution
In-Reply-To: <10505245-49E6-4907-A64F-2EBD962B8267@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <10505245-49E6-4907-A64F-2EBD962B8267@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Just replying to myself here, because I'm lonely, <huge laugh>.

If you want to return Knox back to the default behaviour, do this in terminal after making sure in Activity Monitor that it isn't running:

defaults write com.knoxformac.knox KnoxApplicationMode 1

That will put the icons back into the menu bar.  But, if you are getting the same thing as i get, they're not visible or accessible for some reason.  Even Lynne cannot see the icons in the menu bar in the default mode.

Good luck and enjoy Knox.


On 28 May 2010, at 23:44, Gordon Smith wrote:

Hi all Knox users.

OK, here's a way to make it accessible.

1.  run /Applications/Utilities/activity monitor.app

2.  Do a search for the active process "knox" (without the quotes).

3.  With the process highlighted, press Command+Option+Q or use View/Quit Process.

4.  Open the Terminal and enter the following command exactly as shown:

defaults write com.knoxformac.knox KnoxApplicationMode 0

5.  Close Terminal

6.  Run the knox application.

You'll now get a blank process running, but you'll find you have a top level menu structure available now with all Knox's preferences and functions there.

Hope that helps.

Gordon


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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri May 28 23:58:18 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 08:58:18 +1000
Subject: Knox, solution
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I am very much enjoying Knox, again one of those great Mac software bargains and even more so thanks to your help.


On 29/05/2010, at 8:56 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Just replying to myself here, because I'm lonely, <huge laugh>.
> 
> If you want to return Knox back to the default behaviour, do this in terminal after making sure in Activity Monitor that it isn't running:
> 
> defaults write com.knoxformac.knox KnoxApplicationMode 1
> 
> That will put the icons back into the menu bar.  But, if you are getting the same thing as i get, they're not visible or accessible for some reason.  Even Lynne cannot see the icons in the menu bar in the default mode.
> 
> Good luck and enjoy Knox.
> 
> 
> On 28 May 2010, at 23:44, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
> Hi all Knox users.
> 
> OK, here's a way to make it accessible.
> 
> 1.  run /Applications/Utilities/activity monitor.app
> 
> 2.  Do a search for the active process "knox" (without the quotes).
> 
> 3.  With the process highlighted, press Command+Option+Q or use View/Quit Process.
> 
> 4.  Open the Terminal and enter the following command exactly as shown:
> 
> defaults write com.knoxformac.knox KnoxApplicationMode 0
> 
> 5.  Close Terminal
> 
> 6.  Run the knox application.
> 
> You'll now get a blank process running, but you'll find you have a top level menu structure available now with all Knox's preferences and functions there.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May 29 00:00:46 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 00:00:46 +0100
Subject: Knox, solution
In-Reply-To: <3BDF46F7-021C-487D-A290-22E704EDC4D7@internode.on.net>
References: <10505245-49E6-4907-A64F-2EBD962B8267@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Did you try it and did it work?

On 28 May 2010, at 23:54, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Thanks very much, extremely helpful.


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May 29 00:02:56 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 00:02:56 +0100
Subject: Knox, solution
In-Reply-To: <9262DF9E-FD81-4328-9BF8-706C82C4CCB8@internode.on.net>
References: <10505245-49E6-4907-A64F-2EBD962B8267@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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No problem.  That's why it's always a good idea to share information.  Lynne and I don't wait to be asked if we think we can help others.

Gordon

On 28 May 2010, at 23:58, Dane Trethowan wrote:

I am very much enjoying Knox, again one of those great Mac software bargains and even more so thanks to your help.



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sat May 29 00:04:12 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 09:04:12 +1000
Subject: Knox, solution
In-Reply-To: <381E2271-B1CA-41FC-B09B-871B3A27A335@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Yep sure did work,


On 29/05/2010, at 9:00 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Did you try it and did it work?
> 
> On 28 May 2010, at 23:54, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Thanks very much, extremely helpful.
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May 29 00:36:18 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 00:36:18 +0100
Subject: Knox, solution
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That's great.  It's a shame that won't work with all software. :)  But it does show that sometimes little tweaks like that can help and sometimes the GUI doesn't serve the purpose.  I learned that big time whilst setting up the servers that now power our systems.

On 29 May 2010, at 00:04, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Yep sure did work,


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sat May 29 00:42:23 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 09:42:23 +1000
Subject: Knox, solution
In-Reply-To: <0D60489E-A5A9-4CBC-84E7-1333DEE03E74@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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I like the backwards compatibility of Knox, uses the same technology as the Mac Security volt does so if you don't have the actual Knox software installed you can still access your volts, you just need to know your passwords, actually if you want to be really clever you can have One password enter the passwords for your respective volts, this means you only have to remember 1 password.


On 29/05/2010, at 9:36 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> That's great.  It's a shame that won't work with all software. :)  But it does show that sometimes little tweaks like that can help and sometimes the GUI doesn't serve the purpose.  I learned that big time whilst setting up the servers that now power our systems.
> 
> On 29 May 2010, at 00:04, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Yep sure did work,
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sat May 29 00:56:13 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 09:56:13 +1000
Subject: Radio listening on the iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch
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Okay, well I could be wrong here but I think you tried Ootunes on the Mac side? I find that both Ootunes and Wudner Radio compliment each other on my Iphone quite nicely but whatever floats your boat <smile>, I think they're both around ?2.00 to buy if I remember rightly.


On 29/05/2010, at 1:53 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> I seem to remember trying Ootunes last year when somebody mentioned it and I didn't think a great deal of it at the time.  I'll go and get a hold of Wunder Radio.
> 
> On 28 May 2010, at 14:36, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> I use 2 here, the main one I use is Ootunes and the other is Wunder radio.  Ootunes has some nice features like the ability to record streams.  Wunder Radio makes use of the GPS on the Iphone so you can dig up streams for your local area for example, handy when you're travelling.
> 
> One thing that annoys some people about Ootunes is that you can't adjust the volume independently of Ootunes from Voiceover but this doesn't worry me at all.
> 
> 
> On 28/05/2010, at 11:32 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hi all
>> 
>> What radio listening programmes are now available for these platforms I wonder which people have used and find accessible?  We have one on my iPhone that's called In-Car radio or Tuner FM or something like that, I can't quite remember.
>> 
>> But either this doesn't work any longer or I'm doing something wrong because when I try to search for a station in the application's control panel, nothing I search for works at all.
>> 
>> I tried ABC (US) stations, CBS, the ABC is Australia and, of course, the one that interests me the most, the BBC national services here in the UK.
>> 
>> I just don't get any stations at all found so I'd like to try something else so I can ditch that thing.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May 29 09:17:24 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 09:17:24 +0100
Subject: PGP Whole Disk Encryption for Review for Mac OS X - PGP 10 WDE for
	Mac OS X
Message-ID: <F58E6144-47CE-45B5-9184-F0ADE9BC605B@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody from a wet and windy North-East of England.

Since we've been talking about encryption and security, this caught my attention when it landed in our in-box early this morning; and I thought others might like to read it.

Of course, it's hyped up. But all the same, the theories are valid; and I confess that data security and integrity are a big concern to me as, I think, they should be to anybody who owns a portable or mobile computing device. In our case that's shortly going to increase yet further with the imminent acquisition of an iPad.

PGP is, of course, not new technology to many of us. Here at TFT BBS we used to run a dedicated PGP key server on the front end of our email solution that encrypted all mail and digitally signed it for better security. The only reason we discontinued that was the excessive cost. Licensing a full-blown key server runs into thousands of Dollars, (Pounds), (Euros) and that's no exaggeration. And that doesn't include the cost of SSL encryption, energy and the dedicated hardware itself. But I am babbling!

Digitally signing email traffic is, as far as I've seen, something that Knox does not and cannot do; although I confess I haven't yet had a chance to delve into the programme properly yet; something I plan to do today actually. But we all know that when you buy something online; be it software or hardware or even something totally unrelated to the world of technology, vendors typically send you email receipts and, often, invoices.

That kind of data could and should be secure. So I'm going to be posting something else along these lines later because I have quite a lot to contribute on this specific point.

In any event, I found this quite an interesting read. You need, of course, to be aware of the hype as I said earlier. What level of independence or otherwise this review has I'm not entirely sure. But have a read anyway if you're interested in security issues, see what you think. The URL is below; just jump to the first heading and you'll skip all the usual page rubbish.

Lynne

http://www.securemac.com/pgp-10-wde-review.php


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May 29 09:24:08 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 09:24:08 +0100
Subject: Knox, solution
In-Reply-To: <CD9E093C-1774-477D-A4A3-B31A6D40E24F@internode.on.net>
References: <10505245-49E6-4907-A64F-2EBD962B8267@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<3BDF46F7-021C-487D-A290-22E704EDC4D7@internode.on.net>
	<381E2271-B1CA-41FC-B09B-871B3A27A335@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<F38ED6F8-F2EB-4AA4-9D10-18E23892BED9@internode.on.net>
	<0D60489E-A5A9-4CBC-84E7-1333DEE03E74@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<CD9E093C-1774-477D-A4A3-B31A6D40E24F@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <8C65C3ED-7709-4B22-AA60-8DD305787512@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 29 May 2010, at 00:42, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? I like the backwards compatibility of Knox, uses the same technology as the Mac Security volt does so if you don't have the actual Knox software installed you can still access your volts, you just need to know your passwords, actually if you want to be really clever you can have One password enter the passwords for your respective volts, this means you only have to remember 1 password.

If you're going to have your password automatically inserted, what's the point of having a password? Anybody could use your Mac and not even need to know that there's a password there.

I know you can lock 1Password; but you don't need to unlock it I don't think just to have it enter your password for you.

Security is useless I think if you're going to install tools that let you automate the process. Just a thought.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May 29 09:33:55 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 09:33:55 +0100
Subject: Radio listening on the iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch
In-Reply-To: <9902A3E5-5D25-4936-9771-B3C599624F25@internode.on.net>
References: <2F64B8CF-E64B-4F1B-8A83-519BC2B1147E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<81D7EE62-142F-4FAF-B5D4-23C8081D2A33@internode.on.net>
	<4C7A550C-A35C-4B94-A41D-1D6B6C596DFE@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<9902A3E5-5D25-4936-9771-B3C599624F25@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <E2E65BC8-9466-45C9-ABA5-2BF013A6E5E9@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 29 May 2010, at 00:56, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Okay, well I could be wrong here but I think you tried Ootunes on the Mac side? I find that both Ootunes and Wudner Radio compliment each other on my Iphone quite nicely but whatever floats your boat <smile>, I think they're both around ?2.00 to buy if I remember rightly.

You're not wrong, he just said in his message that he tried it last year. :-) And it's getting to the point now where there are so many applications that do more or less the same job that there's less and less space available for actual content on the iPhone or iPod. :-)

Now don't get me wrong; it's great that there are alternatives and people must, of course, use whatever is their preference.

But I just wonder whether there's a point when it's a matter of enough is enough, it it ain't busted, don't fix it!

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sat May 29 11:03:53 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 20:03:53 +1000
Subject: Knox, solution
In-Reply-To: <8C65C3ED-7709-4B22-AA60-8DD305787512@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <10505245-49E6-4907-A64F-2EBD962B8267@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<3BDF46F7-021C-487D-A290-22E704EDC4D7@internode.on.net>
	<381E2271-B1CA-41FC-B09B-871B3A27A335@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<F38ED6F8-F2EB-4AA4-9D10-18E23892BED9@internode.on.net>
	<0D60489E-A5A9-4CBC-84E7-1333DEE03E74@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<CD9E093C-1774-477D-A4A3-B31A6D40E24F@internode.on.net>
	<8C65C3ED-7709-4B22-AA60-8DD305787512@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <153863D6-73D7-404B-B4D4-E924C070CDF7@internode.on.net>

I don't know whether I'm just making myself as clear as muddy water or not but I would have thought that my explanation would have made things obvious <smile>, just one password for everything if you want it that way, that's how I do things here with all my logins for the Internet and so on, means less passwords lying around, less to remember etc.


On 29/05/2010, at 6:24 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 29 May 2010, at 00:42, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> ? I like the backwards compatibility of Knox, uses the same technology as the Mac Security volt does so if you don't have the actual Knox software installed you can still access your volts, you just need to know your passwords, actually if you want to be really clever you can have One password enter the passwords for your respective volts, this means you only have to remember 1 password.
> 
> If you're going to have your password automatically inserted, what's the point of having a password? Anybody could use your Mac and not even need to know that there's a password there.
> 
> I know you can lock 1Password; but you don't need to unlock it I don't think just to have it enter your password for you.
> 
> Security is useless I think if you're going to install tools that let you automate the process. Just a thought.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From cjsims at me.com  Sat May 29 11:49:00 2010
From: cjsims at me.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 20:49:00 +1000
Subject: test please?
Message-ID: <048D34AC-643A-42A5-9C54-37C00159DCBD@me.com>

Hi.  I have just changed to this address for the list.  Just wanted to ensure that it is coming through?

Thanks. 
Christopher  Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 M:0418558275


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May 29 16:04:18 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 16:04:18 +0100
Subject: Knox, solution
In-Reply-To: <153863D6-73D7-404B-B4D4-E924C070CDF7@internode.on.net>
References: <10505245-49E6-4907-A64F-2EBD962B8267@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<3BDF46F7-021C-487D-A290-22E704EDC4D7@internode.on.net>
	<381E2271-B1CA-41FC-B09B-871B3A27A335@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<F38ED6F8-F2EB-4AA4-9D10-18E23892BED9@internode.on.net>
	<0D60489E-A5A9-4CBC-84E7-1333DEE03E74@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<CD9E093C-1774-477D-A4A3-B31A6D40E24F@internode.on.net>
	<8C65C3ED-7709-4B22-AA60-8DD305787512@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<153863D6-73D7-404B-B4D4-E924C070CDF7@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <8048D510-55CD-4541-873F-BCBD96AC9143@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 29 May 2010, at 11:03, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? I don't know whether I'm just making myself as clear as muddy water or not but I would have thought that my explanation would have made things obvious <smile>, just one password for everything if you want it that way, that's how I do things here with all my logins for the Internet and so on, means less passwords lying around, less to remember etc.

I'm afraid that, on this occasion, it is you who have misunderstood. Otherwise you either didn't read the entire message in its context or you misheard; I don't know which. I'm sure it wasn't deliberate; but you've taken my comments totally out of context; so let me try to clarify my meaning.

I am *not* talking about Internet passwords. I *do* understand that. :-) Semi-computer literate though I may be, it is a good idea to use a tool such as 1Password which we use here also. Especially if you can use strong passwords for your entries.

What I was talking about was disk encryption, or volume/file encryption. What, I asked, is the point of having an automated password entry for such a thing as that? You may as well have no encryption at all. That is completely different to internet passwords.

You said, did you not, that if you wanted to be really clever, you could use 1Password to open your encrypted volumes? That; and only that; was the aspect I was querying.

I hope I've made myself a little more clear. I don't pretend to be an expert in these things. And it may be that I am still missing the point; but again this has nothing whatsoever to do with Internet passwords.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat May 29 16:36:30 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 16:36:30 +0100
Subject: VMware Fusion 3.1,
	with 20+ New Features and up to 5X Faster 3D Graphics,
	Available Worldwide Today
Message-ID: <A6D82438-3925-4FBE-A071-C7578F1D73FF@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Well, nothin' to lose I guess as I believe this is a free upgrade for V3 users.

Lynne

http://www.vmware.com/company/news/releases/fusion3-1-ga.html


From cjsims at me.com  Sun May 30 01:27:32 2010
From: cjsims at me.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 10:27:32 +1000
Subject: VMware Fusion 3.1,	with 20+ New Features and up to 5X Faster 3D
	Graphics,	Available Worldwide Today
In-Reply-To: <A6D82438-3925-4FBE-A071-C7578F1D73FF@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <A6D82438-3925-4FBE-A071-C7578F1D73FF@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <36144557-1596-4657-98A8-85B0A19F9226@me.com>

Who knows, they might  have fixed the other things.

Christopher Sims mobile 0418558275 phone H: 0396505646.

On 30/05/2010, at 1:36, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" <lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk 
 > wrote:

> Well, nothin' to lose I guess as I believe this is a free upgrade  
> for V3 users.
>
> Lynne
>
> http://www.vmware.com/company/news/releases/fusion3-1-ga.html
>
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May 30 08:30:58 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 08:30:58 +0100
Subject: VMware Fusion 3.1,
	with 20+ New Features and up to 5X Faster 3D Graphics,
	Available Worldwide Today
In-Reply-To: <36144557-1596-4657-98A8-85B0A19F9226@me.com>
References: <A6D82438-3925-4FBE-A071-C7578F1D73FF@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<36144557-1596-4657-98A8-85B0A19F9226@me.com>
Message-ID: <F84C2582-AEA7-4641-8892-CA75D81F2357@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Christopher

On 30 May 2010, at 01:27, Christopher Sims wrote:

? Who knows, they might  have fixed the other things.

I'm about to try the update just out of curiosity. So I will let the list know.

Lynne



From support at tft-bbs.com  Sun May 30 08:44:38 2010
From: support at tft-bbs.com (Gordon & Lynne Smith)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 08:44:38 +0100
Subject: Our Software Collection
Message-ID: <D30FD7A1-E496-4244-8111-54B87678ADE3@tft-bbs.com>

Hello everybody

This is just a general offer. As Gordon and I buy, try or use applications, they are added to a collection of software which, primarily for our own convenience, we maintain on our File Manager facility.

This includes *** NOTHING *** illegal; nor will it ever do so. It is simply a group of applications which some may find useful I guess if they cannot locate them on the Internet, or just want a one-stop place to find them.

We obviously cannot guarantee to have what you want; but many applications discussed in this group are here.

If you would like privileged access to this collection, please feel free to contact us off list. Note that on-list requests will be ignored.

I stress again, we're not offering you music, nor any commercial software which is not for distribution. We are offering this purely as a convenience.

Anybody interested we will tell you what our few terms and conditions are off list. The Mac Access support address, support at mac-access.net is where you can reach us regarding this.

Lynne


From cjsims at me.com  Sun May 30 08:13:17 2010
From: cjsims at me.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 17:13:17 +1000
Subject: Isshue with connecting to Idisk public folder.
Message-ID: <BBD251D7-8000-4D21-A740-BEBFA71FA61C@me.com>

Hi.  I'm having a problem with getting a friend to connect to my Idisk public folder.  I have given him the right address to use, however, it is coming up as if the page doesn't exist.  I have allow othersa to write files in your public folder set to the checked or allow status.  What else should I be checking?

Thanks. 
Christopher  Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 M:0418558275


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May 30 09:23:52 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 09:23:52 +0100
Subject: Isshue with connecting to Idisk public folder.
In-Reply-To: <BBD251D7-8000-4D21-A740-BEBFA71FA61C@me.com>
References: <BBD251D7-8000-4D21-A740-BEBFA71FA61C@me.com>
Message-ID: <69EB4D97-4A7C-4E8A-BBEB-3AD04992FED0@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Christopher

On 30 May 2010, at 08:13, Christopher Sims wrote:

? Hi.  I'm having a problem with getting a friend to connect to my Idisk public folder.  I have given him the right address to use, however, it is coming up as if the page doesn't exist.  I have allow othersa to write files in your public folder set to the checked or allow status.  What else should I be checking?

A lot of people get this confused. The address should start with:
http://idisk.me.com/username/public
is that what you gave him?

Lynne



From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May 30 09:38:19 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 09:38:19 +0100
Subject: Fusion 3.1; first impressions
Message-ID: <0D8FBD9F-3D02-42F8-80C0-EA5FFC9F4356@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

I suppose this will only be of interest if you are a Fusion user who either has already, or is contemplating an upgrade to v3.1.

Upgrades from v2 cost $39.00 US and from 3.0 it is a free maintenance release.

OK; first impressions are;

1. The Fusion initial interface has been cleans up. There was previously a button there that did nothing. I gather it was used in beta testing to generate a bug report using the crash report logs. That button should have been removed from the final release, but wasn't. It has now gone.

2. The display of the library window has been cleaned up. Visually, the library of virtual machines was often out of alignment. That is fixed.

3. The VMWare tools have been updated. Sadly, when you run a virtual machine for the first time, it seems to block most startup items until the tools are installed; including those system items such as a screen-reader. So you'll need to sit and wait a while after you log into Windows. It took not far short of 10 minutes with our XP installation.

4. It may be our specific installation of Windows; but the shutting down of Windows XP is still incredibly slow. Again though, that may not be a Fusion issue.

5. With VoiceOver enabled, we can still not reproduce the problem we had before we installed the Boot Camp 3.1 updated drivers. The 3.0 drivers must be installed first inside your virtual machine, then the update.

There are advantages to doing that anyway; so it's something we would recommend.

I have a few more things to add; but I want to play around a little bit before I do because it wouldn't be fair to comment on just the first trial run.

The Boot Camp drivers are, for those who have access to it, available in our software collection.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun May 30 15:58:50 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 15:58:50 +0100
Subject: iTunes Curiosity
Message-ID: <99A4D4C1-285F-48E5-8A62-E5D354CF117E@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

Alright; I'm curious here. If iTunes content is no longer protected, i.e. you can play iTunes purchased files on any old computer as long as it will handle the format, why do you need to authorise your computer(s) for the iTunes store?

I always thought that the DRM removal on iTunes content was restricted to iTunes Plus or something like that.

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sun May 30 16:58:33 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 01:58:33 +1000
Subject: iTunes Curiosity
In-Reply-To: <99A4D4C1-285F-48E5-8A62-E5D354CF117E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <99A4D4C1-285F-48E5-8A62-E5D354CF117E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D81A69F4-3F43-489C-9CB7-1220E614132D@internode.on.net>

You don't need to authorise your computer for the Itunes store unless you want to play protected material such as old Itunes purchases that can't be upgraded, Audible books and so on.


On 31/05/2010, at 12:58 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> Alright; I'm curious here. If iTunes content is no longer protected, i.e. you can play iTunes purchased files on any old computer as long as it will handle the format, why do you need to authorise your computer(s) for the iTunes store?
> 
> I always thought that the DRM removal on iTunes content was restricted to iTunes Plus or something like that.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sun May 30 17:44:41 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 02:44:41 +1000
Subject: iTunes Curiosity
In-Reply-To: <99A4D4C1-285F-48E5-8A62-E5D354CF117E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <99A4D4C1-285F-48E5-8A62-E5D354CF117E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <12B5B0BB-9F31-46F9-957F-EB92D8F27930@internode.on.net>

As a followup -up to what I'd written previously and this is something I'm not personally familiar with as I've never done it, the authorisation of your computer is used for management of movies you download from the Itunes store and they come in 2 flavours, those you buy and those you rent.  If you rent movies then they only last a little while on your Mac but if you buy you own them outright but I'm not sure whether they're protected or not, I suspect they are.


On 31/05/2010, at 12:58 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> Alright; I'm curious here. If iTunes content is no longer protected, i.e. you can play iTunes purchased files on any old computer as long as it will handle the format, why do you need to authorise your computer(s) for the iTunes store?
> 
> I always thought that the DRM removal on iTunes content was restricted to iTunes Plus or something like that.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
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> 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Sun May 30 22:51:48 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 22:51:48 +0100
Subject: Backing up and viewing text messages etc on from IPhone
Message-ID: <F60C9CEE-ECB8-4301-83CE-6F04E8C9D9F0@gmail.com>

Hi gang,

I have been doing some digging on the web to try to find out how to save my text messages etc from my IPhone to my Mac. So far, I've only managed to find products which I need to buy. I'm not unwilling to buy them, but if there is a fre and easy way to do this, I would prefer this. Is there any way to do this please? Perhaps via ITunes. I'm not very confident with ITunes as I don't really like using it, but if this can be done, it would give me more reason to use it.

Thanks for any help
TC
James 

From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 31 15:15:18 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 15:15:18 +0100
Subject: iTunes Curiosity
In-Reply-To: <D81A69F4-3F43-489C-9CB7-1220E614132D@internode.on.net>
References: <99A4D4C1-285F-48E5-8A62-E5D354CF117E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<D81A69F4-3F43-489C-9CB7-1220E614132D@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <378659B7-AB92-4209-A7FF-C38678CD3E2F@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 30 May 2010, at 16:58, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? You don't need to authorise your computer for the Itunes store unless you want to play protected material such as old Itunes purchases that can't be upgraded, Audible books and so on.

That's what I thought. But I just downloaded something from iTunes and tried to play it on a computer I deauthorised. It won't touch it unless I authorise it again. Oh well; just one of those things I suppose.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 31 15:20:19 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 15:20:19 +0100
Subject: iTunes Curiosity
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Hello Dane

On 30 May 2010, at 17:44, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? As a followup -up to what I'd written previously and this is something I'm not personally familiar with as I've never done it, the authorisation of your computer is used for management of movies you download from the Itunes store and they come in 2 flavours, those you buy and those you rent.  If you rent movies then they only last a little while on your Mac but if you buy you own them outright but I'm not sure whether they're protected or not, I suspect they are.

Yes they are protected. I bought some a while ago; (I never rent movies). But unless my computer is authorised they won't play.

The concept of self-destructing rental isn't new to me actually. There's a company over here which used to hire out DVDs which came in sealed wrapping. Once the seal was broken the DVD only last 24 hours or 48 hours depending on the rental period. After that time they become unplayable. I don't know whether that still happens but it certainly used too.

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Mon May 31 16:30:33 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 01:30:33 +1000
Subject: iTunes Curiosity
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Yes that technology is widely used over here, actually Vision australia - one of our biggest blindness agencies - are talking about doing the same thing with books on CD so they can cut costs, all they have to do is send the CD out in a special sealed package which are widely available as you've noted rather than spend extra money on special mailers etc but we're drifting off-topic <smile>.


On 01/06/2010, at 12:20 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Dane
> 
> On 30 May 2010, at 17:44, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> ? As a followup -up to what I'd written previously and this is something I'm not personally familiar with as I've never done it, the authorisation of your computer is used for management of movies you download from the Itunes store and they come in 2 flavours, those you buy and those you rent.  If you rent movies then they only last a little while on your Mac but if you buy you own them outright but I'm not sure whether they're protected or not, I suspect they are.
> 
> Yes they are protected. I bought some a while ago; (I never rent movies). But unless my computer is authorised they won't play.
> 
> The concept of self-destructing rental isn't new to me actually. There's a company over here which used to hire out DVDs which came in sealed wrapping. Once the seal was broken the DVD only last 24 hours or 48 hours depending on the rental period. After that time they become unplayable. I don't know whether that still happens but it certainly used too.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 31 16:41:03 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 16:41:03 +0100
Subject: iTunes Curiosity
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Hello Dane

I am moving this from Mac-Access to Techno-Chat.

Lynne



From eka at ekanet.net  Mon May 31 18:07:02 2010
From: eka at ekanet.net (Emrah)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 19:07:02 +0200
Subject: iPad / various questions
Message-ID: <20100531170702.GA22916@naughty.kavun>

Hi Guys,

I am a happy owner of an ipad and I have a couple of questions for the list... Sorry if they've been asked before!

First of all, how do we exit typing mode and come back to the edit field where it has been activated? For now I basically 
drag the V-O cursor out of the field, somewhere else in the application and then flick left / right to reach the next 
field... But it's time consuming, especially when I fill in forms on the Internet, as I always end up very far away from my 
form... :-)
Second, I am unable to apply a regular sliding gesture... The Twittelator app askes to slide right on the Send switch to 
send the Tweet... It does not work with V-O, even when I double tap and hold... Any ideas?
And to end, touch typing does not allow the use of accents... I have already addressed that issue to the accessibility team, along with the language rottor settings being absent... So far, no response...

Your comments would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers!
-- 
Emrah KAVUN
<eka at ekanet.net>

From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 31 18:32:57 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 18:32:57 +0100
Subject: iPad / various questions
In-Reply-To: <20100531170702.GA22916@naughty.kavun>
References: <20100531170702.GA22916@naughty.kavun>
Message-ID: <C0594174-1F20-4A2A-9D44-9D95A9FA9C61@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Emrah

On 31 May 2010, at 18:07, Emrah wrote:

I am a happy owner of an ipad and I have a couple of questions for the list... Sorry if they've been asked before!

I think you're the first on list, congratulations. We're expecting ours any day now, although Apple only tell us "by 8 June".

But if your questions haven't been answered by then I will do my best to help you and anybody else who asks for help on this list.

I have eyes, and it would probably be easier for me, initially, to figure out what's happening than it will for Gordon. So as I say Emrah, don't give up on this list please if you don't get an immediate response.

But if you look in the user's guide, there is a section on using VoiceOver.

Lynne



From eka at ekanet.net  Mon May 31 18:59:09 2010
From: eka at ekanet.net (Emrah)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 19:59:09 +0200
Subject: iPad / various questions
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References: <20100531170702.GA22916@naughty.kavun>
	<C0594174-1F20-4A2A-9D44-9D95A9FA9C61@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20100531175909.GA23150@naughty.kavun>

Hey Linne,

Thanks a lot for your reply.
I'll keep playing around and get back to the list if I have further updates regarding my questions.

I think the best advantage of the iPad is its large keyboard. It is actually very comfortable to type on it. :-)

Cheers!
----- Original Message -----
From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith <lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk>
Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 at 06:32:57PM +0100
Subject: Re: iPad / various questions

> Hello Emrah
> 
> On 31 May 2010, at 18:07, Emrah wrote:
> 
> I am a happy owner of an ipad and I have a couple of questions for the list... Sorry if they've been asked before!
> 
> I think you're the first on list, congratulations. We're expecting ours any day now, although Apple only tell us "by 8 June".
> 
> But if your questions haven't been answered by then I will do my best to help you and anybody else who asks for help on this list.
> 
> I have eyes, and it would probably be easier for me, initially, to figure out what's happening than it will for Gordon. So as I say Emrah, don't give up on this list please if you don't get an immediate response.
> 
> But if you look in the user's guide, there is a section on using VoiceOver.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 31 19:26:33 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 19:26:33 +0100
Subject: iPad / various questions
In-Reply-To: <20100531175909.GA23150@naughty.kavun>
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Hello Emrah

On 31 May 2010, at 18:59, Emrah wrote:

? Hey Linne,

H'mmm, another interesting spelling. :)

? Thanks a lot for your reply.
I'll keep playing around and get back to the list if I have further updates regarding my questions.

Please do; this is a topic which I am sure will be keenly followed by many on list; including us.

? I think the best advantage of the iPad is its large keyboard. It is actually very comfortable to type on it. :-)

When Gordon saw one a few weeks ago at the exhibition in Middlesbrough, it was difficult to get him away from it. Obviously I had to turn VoiceOver on for him; and the people doing the exhibition were most impressed as they hadn't realised you could make the iPad talk, as they put it. Clearly, they haven't heard of accessibility before.

Anyway let's keep it going because it's a very interesting topic.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon May 31 21:13:05 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 21:13:05 +0100
Subject: iPad Accessories Seemingly In High Demand
Message-ID: <E7F77220-7839-4B94-B539-9AC9F8F2308B@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

It would appear that the iPad and associated accessories are in very high demand here in the UK and, in fact, in Europe as a whole from what my research has shown me. I'm very glad we didn't cancel the order I placed.

Today I went up to the Apple online store to order a case for Gordon's upcoming iPad. I also ordered a Bluetooth keyboard and discovered, to my surprise, that Apple is using the same bluetooth keyboard for both the Mac and iPad.

Our iPad is set to arrive by 8 or 9 June. But the case and, subsequently, the keyboard as well, won't be here until around 28 or 29 June.

When I looked a few days ago, the projected estimates for those cases was shipping the same day as the iPad; I wish I'd ordered him one there and then.

I checked on a couple of other European sites, (although I had problems with the languages (thank goodness for picture links)). They too seem to be out of stock of these cases.

I'm wondering whether in fact the European stuff all comes from Ireland, as ours does. In fact, that would make sense as the store is Apple Europe Online. Yes, silly me; no wonder! :)

Anyway, it seems that Apple is experiencing no shortage of customers wanting these new iPads.

Lynne



From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk  Mon May 31 22:10:20 2010
From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 22:10:20 +0100
Subject: To buy an iPhone or wait for iPhone 4G?
Message-ID: <89EA27FA-A5B6-49A7-B667-3C230B1D08D7@hopewell.org.uk>

Hello, 
I intend to buy an iPhone but am wondering whether to do so now or to wait for the iPhone 4G. 

Is there any information on the iPhone 4G such as when it might be announced / available, how accessible it is, and how it is better than the iPhone 3GS. One possible motivation for waiting for the iPhone 4G is that it might have a better camera and thus with a suitable app might be able to do OCR like the KNFB reader on a Nokia phone. 
  
I would thus appreciate any information / rumours ...
  
Many thanks. 
  
Paul Hopewell 
hopewell at hopewell.org.uk

From grtdane at internode.on.net  Mon May 31 22:15:19 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:15:19 +1000
Subject: To buy an iPhone or wait for iPhone 4G?
In-Reply-To: <89EA27FA-A5B6-49A7-B667-3C230B1D08D7@hopewell.org.uk>
References: <89EA27FA-A5B6-49A7-B667-3C230B1D08D7@hopewell.org.uk>
Message-ID: <791F4B80-863A-4B1E-A579-32A2A7FE5DEE@internode.on.net>

Hi!

Well you can look at this from 2 angles I suppose.  If you want to save a good deal of money <smile> then you could purchase an Iphone 3GS i in say 2 to 3 weeks, by that time the new Iphone 4G or whatever it will be called will be available as far as I know.

I don't know about accessibility improvements but I'm told that reception with the Iphone for mobile use will be better, the new Iphone has a glass back so if reception may be a problem for you then perhaps its worth waiting for the new model.  I myself haven't had any reception difficulties whatever with my 2 Iphones but its been widely reported that people have.

The processor speed of the new Iphone is considerably faster than the current 3GS

Both the new and the current Iphone models will be able to run the new Iphone operating system which is due out next week.


On 01/06/2010, at 7:10 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote:

> Hello, 
> I intend to buy an iPhone but am wondering whether to do so now or to wait for the iPhone 4G. 
> 
> Is there any information on the iPhone 4G such as when it might be announced / available, how accessible it is, and how it is better than the iPhone 3GS. One possible motivation for waiting for the iPhone 4G is that it might have a better camera and thus with a suitable app might be able to do OCR like the KNFB reader on a Nokia phone. 
> 
> I would thus appreciate any information / rumours ...
> 
> Many thanks. 
> 
> Paul Hopewell 
> hopewell at hopewell.org.uk
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
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From moriond at mac.com  Mon May 31 22:28:18 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:28:18 -1000
Subject: iPad / various questions
In-Reply-To: <20100531170702.GA22916@naughty.kavun>
References: <20100531170702.GA22916@naughty.kavun>
Message-ID: <FCDB22F2-047D-439B-B836-5229C09408C8@mac.com>

Hi Emrah,

Have you have used an iPhone or iPod Touch before? Typing mode is just  
one of the modes you can set by turning the rotor (e.g. putting two  
fingers on the screen and making a twisting gesture either clockwise  
or counter-clockwise).  So you could exit typing mode to change to  
another mode (for example, moving by characters or words, or going  
into edit mode so you can select or select all, and then copy, cut, or  
paste), by turning the rotor.  From your question, it sounds as though  
you're asking something else, though. You haven't "left" the edit  
field where you activated typing mode. I assume you did something like  
the following:
1. double tapped in a text field to start editing.
2. used the rotor till you heard "typing mode", then, flicked either  
up or down to hear the options for "standard mode" and "touch typing",  
and double tapped to select touch typing.  Once you've turned on touch  
typing it stays in effect for other edit fields.

Depending on the application, there may be a "Done" button to double  
tap somewhere on the keyboard, or else, try looking for a "Hide  
Keyboard" button at the bottom right.  Are you saying that your  
keyboard stays active, and that is why you have to move focus to some  
other part of the application before you can flick?  If you're talking  
about filling out forms on a web page, try double tapping the "Hide  
Keyboard" button, and then flick right, etc.  Or, you can leave the  
keyboard up, and just touch the next field if the keyboard is not  
hiding it, and double tap.  Is this what you mean?

I don't use apps where I need to use sliding gestures, but why don't  
you try toggling VoiceOver off with a triple click of the Home button  
(if you have this set up under Settings > General > Accessibility), do  
your sliding gesture at the appropriate location, and then toggle  
VoiceOver back on again?

Actually, you can still type accents in touch typing mode, but I  
haven't been able to make it work correctly,and the action doesn't  
feel natural if you're typing at the pace and manner of using a  
regular keyboard in landscape mode. You need to do a double tap and  
hold, then slide your finger over to the selected accent combination  
before you lift your finger.  The problem is that when you do a double  
tap and hold, the previously used key has focus.  So the only way to  
type an accented "e", for example, is to type an "e", then double tap  
and hold, while you shift your finger up to read the accent  
combinations, before you release the key. You'd then have to move back  
to delete the first, unaccented "e".

I'd use TextExpander Touch, with snippet definitions, to type accented  
words, for apps that support this (like Simplenote, or the new myTexts  
app), and cut/copy and paste if I'm inserting long text.

A number of people have written to the accessibility team about the  
language rotor, which is present in all iPad models that have been set  
up at Apple Stores with their distribution disc, but which is absent  
on iPads set up by users with iTunes.

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

On May 31, 2010, at 07:07, Emrah wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> I am a happy owner of an ipad and I have a couple of questions for  
> the list... Sorry if they've been asked before!
>
> First of all, how do we exit typing mode and come back to the edit  
> field where it has been activated? For now I basically
> drag the V-O cursor out of the field, somewhere else in the  
> application and then flick left / right to reach the next
> field... But it's time consuming, especially when I fill in forms on  
> the Internet, as I always end up very far away from my
> form... :-)
> Second, I am unable to apply a regular sliding gesture... The  
> Twittelator app askes to slide right on the Send switch to
> send the Tweet... It does not work with V-O, even when I double tap  
> and hold... Any ideas?
> And to end, touch typing does not allow the use of accents... I have  
> already addressed that issue to the accessibility team, along with  
> the language rottor settings being absent... So far, no response...
>
> Your comments would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Cheers!
> -- 
> Emrah KAVUN
> <eka at ekanet.net>


From moriond at mac.com  Mon May 31 22:21:59 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Mon, 31 May 2010 11:21:59 -1000
Subject: To buy an iPhone or wait for iPhone 4G?
In-Reply-To: <89EA27FA-A5B6-49A7-B667-3C230B1D08D7@hopewell.org.uk>
References: <89EA27FA-A5B6-49A7-B667-3C230B1D08D7@hopewell.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4552CC80-7B46-4DFD-B32D-765D454F5912@mac.com>

Hi Paul,

I would wait for the iPhone 4G.  It's going to be released in mid-to- 
late June.  It's expected to be announced, along with OS 4.0, at the  
World Wide Developer's Conference (June 6-11, 2010).  AT&T (the U.S.  
vendor), has, for several months, told their workers that they cannot  
take extended vacation during the month of June.  (This is also what  
happened for last year's iPhone 3GS roll-out, and is a pretty good  
sign that this is when things are happening, as is the immediate  
update of AT&T's policy for termination.)

Not much of a wait for the known improvements that will come with OS  
4.0 and new hardware.  The new devices will also standardize on the  
smaller SIM cards being used in the iPad 3G.  On the other hand, if  
you want to pick up the old model at a low price, Walmart in the U.S.  
has started selling the 16 GB model for $97 + the 2 year service plan,  
and other vendors may similarly be discounting the stock elsewhere.

Cheers,

Esther

On May 31, 2010, at 11:10, Paul Hopewell wrote:

> Hello,
> I intend to buy an iPhone but am wondering whether to do so now or  
> to wait for the iPhone 4G.
>
> Is there any information on the iPhone 4G such as when it might be  
> announced / available, how accessible it is, and how it is better  
> than the iPhone 3GS. One possible motivation for waiting for the  
> iPhone 4G is that it might have a better camera and thus with a  
> suitable app might be able to do OCR like the KNFB reader on a Nokia  
> phone.
>
> I would thus appreciate any information / rumours ...
>
> Many thanks.
>
> Paul Hopewell
> hopewell at hopewell.org.uk


From eka at ekanet.net  Mon May 31 23:28:28 2010
From: eka at ekanet.net (Emrah)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:28:28 +0200
Subject: iPad / various questions
In-Reply-To: <BBF2A4BD-DF62-4C12-BA1E-DCBCEFF93914@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <20100531170702.GA22916@naughty.kavun>
	<C0594174-1F20-4A2A-9D44-9D95A9FA9C61@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<20100531175909.GA23150@naughty.kavun>
	<BBF2A4BD-DF62-4C12-BA1E-DCBCEFF93914@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20100531222828.GA23889@naughty.kavun>

Sorry for the spelling mistake! ;-) I am not native English and my screen reader read Lynne L I N N E... (JFW in French...)

Cheers!
----- Original Message -----
From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith <lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk>
Sent: Mon, May 31, 2010 at 07:26:33PM +0100
Subject: Re: iPad / various questions

> Hello Emrah
> 
> On 31 May 2010, at 18:59, Emrah wrote:
> 
> ? Hey Linne,
> 
> H'mmm, another interesting spelling. :)
> 
> ? Thanks a lot for your reply.
> I'll keep playing around and get back to the list if I have further updates regarding my questions.
> 
> Please do; this is a topic which I am sure will be keenly followed by many on list; including us.
> 
> ? I think the best advantage of the iPad is its large keyboard. It is actually very comfortable to type on it. :-)
> 
> When Gordon saw one a few weeks ago at the exhibition in Middlesbrough, it was difficult to get him away from it. Obviously I had to turn VoiceOver on for him; and the people doing the exhibition were most impressed as they hadn't realised you could make the iPad talk, as they put it. Clearly, they haven't heard of accessibility before.
> 
> Anyway let's keep it going because it's a very interesting topic.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
> 
> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
> 
> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free!
> 
> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at:
> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/

-- 
Emrah KAVUN
<eka at ekanet.net>

From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Jun  1 07:17:22 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:17:22 +0100
Subject: To buy an iPhone or wait for iPhone 4G?
In-Reply-To: <89EA27FA-A5B6-49A7-B667-3C230B1D08D7@hopewell.org.uk>
References: <89EA27FA-A5B6-49A7-B667-3C230B1D08D7@hopewell.org.uk>
Message-ID: <29AD2670-BFD0-4B45-88BA-3069266838B8@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Paul

On 31 May 2010, at 22:10, Paul Hopewell wrote:

? I intend to buy an iPhone but am wondering whether to do so now or to wait for the iPhone 4G. 

I've heard lots of rumours; but seen nothing substantial on this subject from Apple themselves. Other than the OS, (iPhone OS4) will be released in September.

That doesn't imply new hardware; and I hardly think that Apple is about to release a new model in June, knowing that an OS release is pending in September.

So personally I would tend to believe that the next model is some way off.

Unless, of course, others have more concrete information?

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Jun  1 07:19:17 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:19:17 +0100
Subject: To buy an iPhone or wait for iPhone 4G?
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Hello Dane

On 31 May 2010, at 22:15, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Well you can look at this from 2 angles I suppose.  If you want to save a good deal of money <smile> then you could purchase an Iphone 3GS i in say 2 to 3 weeks, by that time the new Iphone 4G or whatever it will be called will be available as far as I know.

Is this hearsay or do you have evidence?

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Jun  1 07:26:10 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:26:10 +0100
Subject: To buy an iPhone or wait for iPhone 4G?
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Hello Esther

On 31 May 2010, at 22:21, Esther wrote:

? I would wait for the iPhone 4G.  It's going to be released in mid-to-late June.  It's expected to be announced, along with OS 4.0, at the World Wide Developer's Conference (June 6-11, 2010).  AT&T (the U.S. vendor), has, for several months, told their workers that they cannot take extended vacation during the month of June.  (This is also what happened for last year's iPhone 3GS roll-out, and is a pretty good sign that this is when things are happening, as is the immediate update of AT&T's policy for termination.)

I have to confess I wasn't aware of this. But I would point out just one thing, not that it's intended to make Paul jump, of course. Just because something is released in the US at a certain time doesn't mean it is over here.

After all the iPad is already rolling out over there; but over here it doesn't start shipping until next Monday.

If that is true, then I wonder whether Apple will be offering upgrades. I for one won't be rushing out to get a 4G I don't think. The 3GS works, so unless the upgrade is financially viable I'll stick rather than twist. :)

But it's interesting information if true.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Jun  1 07:28:58 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 07:28:58 +0100
Subject: iPad / various questions
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Hello Emrah

On 31 May 2010, at 23:28, Emrah wrote:

? Sorry for the spelling mistake! ;-) I am not native English and my screen reader read Lynne L I N N E... (JFW in French...)
Please don't worry about it, it was meant as a light-hearted comment. I do understand the language issues; I see it all the time.

I guess you're a member of Cecimac forum, are you? The French-language equivalent of this list which is hosted on our server on behalf of Anne and Archie.

Lynne


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Jun  1 08:16:06 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 08:16:06 +0100
Subject: I really really really really really really really really really hate
	This ... get the point? LOL
Message-ID: <F680A58E-93F0-4DC3-9971-24415CA2C85D@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

Time and time and time again, like others, I am encountering totally misleading attempts by Apple to tell us what we should hear on screen, rather than what really is on screen.

For instance, I have a song which my other half bought from iTunes yesterday It's call "December 63 (Oh What A Night)".  The track number is 19.

So what does VoiceOver do ... it reads it as "The 19th Of December 63 (Oh What A Night).

Grrrrr, this really gets up my nose I have to say.  Why won't Apple stop this hand-holding misleading behaviour?

Sorry folks, I just had to vent.


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Jun  1 09:53:57 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:53:57 +0100
Subject: iTunes, a Curiosity
Message-ID: <2DB315F6-1D9D-4B68-A99E-BB75E5180201@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

I'd just like to add to what Dane said last night about authorisation of computers for the iTunes Store.

If your machine isn't authorised, I don't think it will allow you to add iTunes downloaded files (protected or otherwise) to your iPad, iPhone or iPod for playing.

I could be wrong about that, but I don't think I am.

I cannot find the original message from Dane, but I remember thinking last night I need to answer that.

Gordon


From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk  Tue Jun  1 10:21:45 2010
From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 10:21:45 +0100
Subject: I really really really really really really really really really
	hate This ... get the point? LOL
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Hi Gordon, 
I completely agree with your frustration that Voice Over reads what it thinks you want to hear rather than what is actually on the screen. It is not only Voice Over and Alex which do this, the InfoVox voices are just as bad. I also used to complain to GWMicro about Eloquence doing this on Windows. 
The text to speech vendors say that they expand abbreviations because their products are used generally and not just by screen readers. But it would be nice if they provided an option to disable all this unwanted expansion of abbreviations and the like. It makes proof reading and programming needlessly difficult. 
For my information is the expansion in MAC OS done by Voice Over, in which case it is independent of the text to speech engine, or is it done by the text to speech engine and may thus differ depending on which one you use. 
All the best....
  
Paul Hopewell 

From eka at ekanet.net  Tue Jun  1 12:06:10 2010
From: eka at ekanet.net (Emrah)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 13:06:10 +0200
Subject: iPad / various questions
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From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith <lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk>, on Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 07:28:58AM +0100
Subject: Re: iPad / various questions

> I guess you're a member of Cecimac forum, are you? The French-language equivalent of this list which is hosted on our server on behalf of Anne and Archie.

No, I am not, this is the first time I hear about them... I did not know a French list existed.

I will check them out a bit later!

Best,
Emrah

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Jun  1 13:47:32 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 13:47:32 +0100
Subject: I really really really really really really really really really
	hate This ... get the point? LOL
In-Reply-To: <01530624-D899-4BFB-9E1E-BAECF3E3FE47@hopewell.org.uk>
References: <F680A58E-93F0-4DC3-9971-24415CA2C85D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<01530624-D899-4BFB-9E1E-BAECF3E3FE47@hopewell.org.uk>
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Hi Paul

Here here!  I don't want to turn this into yet another "mine's better than yours, bla bla la".  But this is one of those things that really frustrates me about the way Apple does things.

Frankly, GW Micro has changed since the days I used to be involved with them and now, in my humble opinion, they're not worth the money wasted on a phone call, the time wasted on an E-Mail, let alone the purchase price of their over-rated products.  But that's a totally different story, and off topic for this group. ;-)

I often find myself kicking and screaming when trying to proof-read a document which, as an example, contains something like I.E., which you probably heard as "That Is", if you're running Infovox.

I take the point about products being run generically, but I don't buy it.  If these vendors or developers take the time to develop TTS engines for use with a screen-reader, then they should develop it for use with a screen-reader, and not as an interpreter regardless of what the screen-reader throws at it.

Eloquance, I never liked.  Far less that joke of a synthesiser Dectalk!  Thank goodness they're not around for the Mac!

Anyway I'm babbling.  I may well contact David and have a word with him about Inforvox doing this sort of thing.  Surely it's not the purpose of the TTS engine to change what the screen-reader is telling it to do.  The purpose of Alex, Rachel, Lucy or any of them is just to speak strings of text that the screen-reader fires at it in events.  Frankly, I find the TTS vendor's excuses of generic use a cop-out, pure and simple.

Anyway I'm glad to find a likeminded person and I et you're not the only one either!

Gordon


On 1 Jun 2010, at 10:21, Paul Hopewell wrote:

Hi Gordon, 
I completely agree with your frustration that Voice Over reads what it thinks you want to hear rather than what is actually on the screen. It is not only Voice Over and Alex which do this, the InfoVox voices are just as bad. I also used to complain to GWMicro about Eloquence doing this on Windows. 
The text to speech vendors say that they expand abbreviations because their products are used generally and not just by screen readers. But it would be nice if they provided an option to disable all this unwanted expansion of abbreviations and the like. It makes proof reading and programming needlessly difficult. 
For my information is the expansion in MAC OS done by Voice Over, in which case it is independent of the text to speech engine, or is it done by the text to speech engine and may thus differ depending on which one you use. 
All the best....

Paul Hopewell 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Jun  1 13:51:26 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 13:51:26 +0100
Subject: iPad / various questions
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Hi Emrah

Please visit http://www.cecimac.org for info or send a message to forum-request at cecimac.org and our server will lead you to the list.  It is hosted here by Lynne and I, on behalf of Anne and Archie who maintain the best multi-lingual Macintosh related website on the planet.

Yes, I'm biassed, I host the thing!  But there it is, and I think the Robertsons deserve huge credit for their work on this.

Now I stress again for anybody else reading this that, if you don't speak French, don't join that list as it is entirely French language even down to the prompts.

Gordon


On 1 Jun 2010, at 12:06, Emrah wrote:

From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith <lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk>, on Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 07:28:58AM +0100
Subject: Re: iPad / various questions

> I guess you're a member of Cecimac forum, are you? The French-language equivalent of this list which is hosted on our server on behalf of Anne and Archie.

No, I am not, this is the first time I hear about them... I did not know a French list existed.

I will check them out a bit later!

Best,
Emrah
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue Jun  1 17:23:27 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 02:23:27 +1000
Subject: Iphone and caps lock
Message-ID: <127D6311-9220-4594-ADAF-DF3219D5952B@internode.on.net>

Hi!

Does anyone know if you can put an Iphone into Caps Lock when using the virtual keyboard?



From moriond at mac.com  Tue Jun  1 18:25:08 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 07:25:08 -1000
Subject: Iphone and caps lock
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Hi Dane,

You have to go to Settings > General > Keyboard and double tap the  
"Enable Caps Lock" button to allow the iPhone keyboard to go into caps  
lock mode.  It's off by default.  Then, if you touch the shift key and  
double tap with another finger the caps lock button will stay enabled  
until you double tap or split tap it off.  (Not sure what to call the  
gesture to turn on the caps lock mode -- a double split tap?)

Cheers,

Esther

Dane Trethowan wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if you can put an Iphone into Caps Lock when using  
> the virtual keyboard?
>
>


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue Jun  1 18:34:30 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 03:34:30 +1000
Subject: Iphone and caps lock
In-Reply-To: <F1CDF524-708D-4D1F-9F5A-A6D3C7619207@mac.com>
References: <127D6311-9220-4594-ADAF-DF3219D5952B@internode.on.net>
	<F1CDF524-708D-4D1F-9F5A-A6D3C7619207@mac.com>
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Thanks, and to another question do you know how you can control the auto correction facility? Can you scroll down through a list of suggestions for example and how do you turn it off.


On 02/06/2010, at 3:25 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Dane,
> 
> You have to go to Settings > General > Keyboard and double tap the "Enable Caps Lock" button to allow the iPhone keyboard to go into caps lock mode.  It's off by default.  Then, if you touch the shift key and double tap with another finger the caps lock button will stay enabled until you double tap or split tap it off.  (Not sure what to call the gesture to turn on the caps lock mode -- a double split tap?)
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone know if you can put an Iphone into Caps Lock when using the virtual keyboard?
>> 
>> 
> 
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From moriond at mac.com  Tue Jun  1 18:41:54 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 07:41:54 -1000
Subject: Iphone and caps lock
In-Reply-To: <B6934119-1D50-4754-8A48-0D97B17C75A1@internode.on.net>
References: <127D6311-9220-4594-ADAF-DF3219D5952B@internode.on.net>
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Hi,

You can also turn the auto-correction feature off in Settings >  
General > Keyboard.  I'm not very good about using auto-correction; I  
usually backspace and retype a letter when I want to make sure that my  
spelling is used when I hear the auto-correction come on.  Maybe  
someone else can suggest some tips?

Cheers,

Esther

Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Thanks, and to another question do you know how you can control the  
> auto correction facility? Can you scroll down through a list of  
> suggestions for example and how do you turn it off.


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue Jun  1 19:36:21 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 04:36:21 +1000
Subject: Iphone and caps lock
In-Reply-To: <5E77AB86-DD0D-49C3-B975-124B53F4B57A@mac.com>
References: <127D6311-9220-4594-ADAF-DF3219D5952B@internode.on.net>
	<F1CDF524-708D-4D1F-9F5A-A6D3C7619207@mac.com>
	<B6934119-1D50-4754-8A48-0D97B17C75A1@internode.on.net>
	<5E77AB86-DD0D-49C3-B975-124B53F4B57A@mac.com>
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Okay well I posed this question through my twitter and I've received a couple of tweets back, the upshot of all this is that you can use the rotor whilst typing text to access auto correction suggestions when a word comes up that Iphone thinks is incorrect, rotor to "Auto Correct", swipe up/down to hear the suggestions and double-tap on the one you want.  Still trying to work out how you add words to the dictionary.


On 02/06/2010, at 3:41 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> You can also turn the auto-correction feature off in Settings > General > Keyboard.  I'm not very good about using auto-correction; I usually backspace and retype a letter when I want to make sure that my spelling is used when I hear the auto-correction come on.  Maybe someone else can suggest some tips?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, and to another question do you know how you can control the auto correction facility? Can you scroll down through a list of suggestions for example and how do you turn it off.
> 
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From cjsims at me.com  Tue Jun  1 21:06:22 2010
From: cjsims at me.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 06:06:22 +1000
Subject: Iphone and caps lock
In-Reply-To: <B6934119-1D50-4754-8A48-0D97B17C75A1@internode.on.net>
References: <127D6311-9220-4594-ADAF-DF3219D5952B@internode.on.net>
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Message-ID: <02103056-700D-4448-8DFB-5C6EF9F2BE14@me.com>

There is a setting that turns off the auto correction in the same place as the enable capslock. 
Christopher  Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 M:0418558275

On 02/06/2010, at 3:34 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Thanks, and to another question do you know how you can control the auto correction facility? Can you scroll down through a list of suggestions for example and how do you turn it off.
> 
> 
> On 02/06/2010, at 3:25 AM, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi Dane,
>> 
>> You have to go to Settings > General > Keyboard and double tap the "Enable Caps Lock" button to allow the iPhone keyboard to go into caps lock mode.  It's off by default.  Then, if you touch the shift key and double tap with another finger the caps lock button will stay enabled until you double tap or split tap it off.  (Not sure what to call the gesture to turn on the caps lock mode -- a double split tap?)
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know if you can put an Iphone into Caps Lock when using the virtual keyboard?
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
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From eka at ekanet.net  Tue Jun  1 22:49:10 2010
From: eka at ekanet.net (Emrah)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 23:49:10 +0200
Subject: iPad / various questions
In-Reply-To: <FCDB22F2-047D-439B-B836-5229C09408C8@mac.com>
References: <20100531170702.GA22916@naughty.kavun>
	<FCDB22F2-047D-439B-B836-5229C09408C8@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20100601214910.GA3279@naughty.kavun>

Hi Ester,

First of all, thanks a lot for your detailed reply.

		> Have you have used an iPhone or iPod Touch before? Typing mode is just  
> one of the modes you can set by turning the rotor 

Yes, I used to own an iPhone a couple of months ago... :-) And I am familiar with the typing mode.

You haven't "left" the edit field where you 
> activated typing mode. I assume you did something like the following:
> 1. double tapped in a text field to start editing.
> 2. used the rotor till you heard "typing mode", then, flicked either up 
> or down to hear the options for "standard mode" and "touch typing", and 
> double tapped to select touch typing.  Once you've turned on touch  
> typing it stays in effect for other edit fields.

Absolutely right.

>
> Depending on the application, there may be a "Done" button to double tap 
> somewhere on the keyboard, or else, try looking for a "Hide Keyboard" 
> button at the bottom right.  Are you saying that your keyboard stays 
> active, and that is why you have to move focus to some other part of the 
> application before you can flick?  If you're talking about filling out 
> forms on a web page, try double tapping the "Hide Keyboard" button, and 
> then flick right, etc.  Or, you can leave the keyboard up, and just touch 
> the next field if the keyboard is not hiding it, and double tap.  Is this 
> what you mean?

What I mean is that sometimes:
* The done key on the keyboard enables the default action of the form, which may not be what I would want to do at that moment. (E.g.: in username field, I can press done, which will validate the form... But I would still need to fill out the password.)
* When I press hide keyboard, I do not get back to the field where I activated the keyboard,. I seem to end up at the 
beginning of the screen.
I thought the keyboard mode would be like the form mode option in Jaws for Windows. Activate to edit, disable to continue 
navigation.

>
> I don't use apps where I need to use sliding gestures, but why don't you 
> try toggling VoiceOver off with a triple click of the Home button (if you 
> have this set up under Settings > General > Accessibility), do your 
> sliding gesture at the appropriate location, and then toggle VoiceOver 
> back on again?

This is exactly what I do, but the Send button I refer to is very thin and difficult to catch because the Delete key is 
right underneath.

>
> Actually, you can still type accents in touch typing mode, but I haven't 
> been able to make it work correctly,and the action doesn't feel natural 
> if you're typing at the pace and manner of using a regular keyboard in 
> landscape mode. You need to do a double tap and hold, then slide your 
> finger over to the selected accent combination before you lift your 
> finger.  The problem is that when you do a double tap and hold, the 
> previously used key has focus.  So the only way to type an accented "e", 
> for example, is to type an "e", then double tap and hold, while you shift 
> your finger up to read the accent combinations, before you release the 
> key. You'd then have to move back to delete the first, unaccented "e".

To sum up what you just describe here, I would say that accents letters do not really work in touch typing mode... The 
behaviour of double typing a letter to validate it is designed for the standard typing mode... and I don't find it very 
elegant to have to remove the previous letter in order to type an accent.

>
> I'd use TextExpander Touch, with snippet definitions, to type accented  
> words, for apps that support this (like Simplenote, or the new myTexts  
> app), and cut/copy and paste if I'm inserting long text.

Thanks for the hint!

>
> A number of people have written to the accessibility team about the  
> language rotor, which is present in all iPad models that have been set  
> up at Apple Stores with their distribution disc, but which is absent on 
> iPads set up by users with iTunes.

Yep, I read that, thanks for the info.

>
> HTH. Cheers,

Once again, thanks so much for your reply... 

Take care,
Emrah

>
> Esther
>
> On May 31, 2010, at 07:07, Emrah wrote:
>
>> Hi Guys,
>>
>> I am a happy owner of an ipad and I have a couple of questions for the 
>> list... Sorry if they've been asked before!
>>
>> First of all, how do we exit typing mode and come back to the edit  
>> field where it has been activated? For now I basically
>> drag the V-O cursor out of the field, somewhere else in the  
>> application and then flick left / right to reach the next
>> field... But it's time consuming, especially when I fill in forms on  
>> the Internet, as I always end up very far away from my
>> form... :-)
>> Second, I am unable to apply a regular sliding gesture... The  
>> Twittelator app askes to slide right on the Send switch to
>> send the Tweet... It does not work with V-O, even when I double tap  
>> and hold... Any ideas?
>> And to end, touch typing does not allow the use of accents... I have  
>> already addressed that issue to the accessibility team, along with the 
>> language rottor settings being absent... So far, no response...
>>
>> Your comments would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> -- 
>> Emrah KAVUN
>> <eka at ekanet.net>
>
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Wed Jun  2 01:53:08 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 10:53:08 +1000
Subject: Article: The iPad could be the best mobile accessibility device on
	the market
Message-ID: <14BF6906-935C-4879-936B-E124D6EC49F3@internode.on.net>

Hi!

Thought listers may find the below linked article of interest.


http://www.tuaw.com/2010/06/01/the-ipad-could-be-the-best-mobile-accessibility-device-on-the-ma/



Dane Trethowan
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Jun  2 11:38:20 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 11:38:20 +0100
Subject: I'm Getting Excited
Message-ID: <A07C3AB5-15E9-4439-B5CD-4C1387E48EBD@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

Just wanted to post because I'm getting excited now about the imminent arrival of the iPad.

We received notification last night that it had shipped. But for some odd reason the estimated delivery date is 9 June.

How can that be? I'm going to have to go and search for that iPhone app that Esther mentioned last week I think.  UPS is the courier so I should be able to get updated status information.

I also received the micro-SIM card in the mail this morning and it looks just like a normal SIM card to me. I won't try it in the iPhone but I'm not going to be surprised if it works.

Gordon


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Jun  2 12:05:18 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 12:05:18 +0100
Subject: Article: The iPad could be the best mobile accessibility device
	on the market
In-Reply-To: <14BF6906-935C-4879-936B-E124D6EC49F3@internode.on.net>
References: <14BF6906-935C-4879-936B-E124D6EC49F3@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <6C232E51-DA7A-40E7-93D2-47D1070780DC@tft-bbs.co.uk>

I agree with most of what this article says. Especially the stuff about other accessibility companies.  I hope very much that the iPad makes companies such as GW Micro, Freedom Scientific and Dolphin Computer Access rethink not only their pricing structure, but also their entire philosophies.

Indeed, Microsoft themselves my find their own markets being squeezed by the iPad and future devices.

It is also gratifying that, finally, blind people are coming to understand what those of us who have been using VoiceOver and the Mac from the early days have been trying to tell them for years.  That Apple, far from being a nine-day wonder, is revolutionising the accessibility industry and setting new standards to which others will now have to either comply or exceed.

It won't surprise me in the slightest if we see the number of accessibility products currently on sale at extortionate prices by companies whose soul motivation is money, squeezed out of the market in the next year or two.  I hope it happens!

Over here in the UK, I know of one particular accessibility vendor who will by now be quaking in his boots.  This person has always been fiercely opposed to Apple, for obvious reasons ... they're taking his custom away from him.

On 2 Jun 2010, at 01:53, Dane Trethowan wrote:
Thought listers may find the below linked article of interest.



From gordonkeen at googlemail.com  Wed Jun  2 13:54:00 2010
From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:54:00 +0100
Subject: Article: The iPad could be the best mobile accessibility device
	on the market
In-Reply-To: <6C232E51-DA7A-40E7-93D2-47D1070780DC@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <14BF6906-935C-4879-936B-E124D6EC49F3@internode.on.net>
	<6C232E51-DA7A-40E7-93D2-47D1070780DC@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E79ECCB6-5327-4EA6-B3E4-626D432412F8@googlemail.com>

He is a *nut* case
:-))


Cheers

G

From glorious Devon, England.!
On 2 Jun 2010, at 12:05, Gordon Smith wrote:

> 
> Over here in the UK, I know of one particular accessibility vendor who will by now be quaking in his boots.  This person has always been fiercely opposed to Apple, for obvious reasons ... they're taking his custom away from him.


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Jun  2 18:21:08 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 18:21:08 +0100
Subject: Article: The iPad could be the best mobile accessibility device
	on the market
In-Reply-To: <E79ECCB6-5327-4EA6-B3E4-626D432412F8@googlemail.com>
References: <14BF6906-935C-4879-936B-E124D6EC49F3@internode.on.net>
	<6C232E51-DA7A-40E7-93D2-47D1070780DC@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<E79ECCB6-5327-4EA6-B3E4-626D432412F8@googlemail.com>
Message-ID: <B4551B6C-4FC5-457E-B1BA-C1CDF9CE309C@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Gordon

On 2 Jun 2010, at 13:54, Gordon Keen wrote:

? He is a *nut* case
:-))
I see we are thinking along similar lines. LOL.

Gordon



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Jun  2 18:29:06 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 18:29:06 +0100
Subject: Saving Images from Websites
Message-ID: <57BE1452-A40A-4E44-9693-9B472328B821@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all
I have a query.  Without saving the entire source of a web page, is it possible to save an image upon which your cursor happens to land?  I.e., by pressing Option+Enter as in downloading a PDF file etc.

This would make a task I'm trying to perform somewhat easier.

Gordon


From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Wed Jun  2 18:39:34 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 19:39:34 +0200
Subject: Saving Images from Websites
In-Reply-To: <57BE1452-A40A-4E44-9693-9B472328B821@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <57BE1452-A40A-4E44-9693-9B472328B821@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DB90323E-7509-4CD8-A160-12920684EBEB@anarchie.org.uk>

Hello Gordon,

On Jun 2, 2010, at 7:29 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> I have a query.  Without saving the entire source of a web page, is it possible to save an image upon which your cursor happens to land?  I.e., by pressing Option+Enter as in downloading a PDF file etc.
> 
Yes, that should work. Make sure your mouse is on it first, sometimes it just doesn't go where you want it to go. You could also do a Control-click on the image to get a contextual menu, in which case you'll know whether you can download it or not.

Cheers,

Anne


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Jun  2 21:04:35 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:04:35 +0100
Subject: Saving Images from Websites
In-Reply-To: <DB90323E-7509-4CD8-A160-12920684EBEB@anarchie.org.uk>
References: <57BE1452-A40A-4E44-9693-9B472328B821@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<DB90323E-7509-4CD8-A160-12920684EBEB@anarchie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <8ECB35B0-917E-4EE6-AF33-55D29C881A5E@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Anne

Yeah, that's the only bit I forgot ... to route the mouse before pressing Option+Enter or doing a Control-Click.  Actually, the latter method gives you better functionality in some ways because you have a choice of what to do with the image.

Thanks Anne, you've just saved me a lot of work and TSG will be pleased. :-)

Gordon


On 2 Jun 2010, at 18:39, Anne Robertson wrote:

Hello Gordon,

On Jun 2, 2010, at 7:29 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> I have a query.  Without saving the entire source of a web page, is it possible to save an image upon which your cursor happens to land?  I.e., by pressing Option+Enter as in downloading a PDF file etc.
> 
Yes, that should work. Make sure your mouse is on it first, sometimes it just doesn't go where you want it to go. You could also do a Control-click on the image to get a contextual menu, in which case you'll know whether you can download it or not.

Cheers,

Anne

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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu Jun  3 11:32:05 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:32:05 +0100
Subject: The Mac-Access Archives
Message-ID: <39D2DF7F-CD1B-4485-BEE3-55DD2F5067C1@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

Given that I've just had occasion to use this myself, I thought I'd remind other members of its presence.  Indeed it is possible that new members are not even aware of it.

All messages since 12 April 2010 when, unfortunately, the list had to be rebuilt due to a server crash, are stored in a searchable online archive.  The search facilities are actually very powerful, and it didn't take me long to find the post I was looking for.

I urge users seeking information posted on list since April 2010 to first check the archive before requesting a repost.  The archive may be found at:
http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipertmail/mac-access/index.html

Before we switched to OSX Server, we had no such archive.  It now astonishes me how we used to manage!

I will be customising this further in the near future actually so that it has a more distinctive presence.

Gordon


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu Jun  3 17:37:20 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 17:37:20 +0100
Subject: RAR, at last I have a tool!
Message-ID: <FC71ED30-E15E-44C0-B16B-CD3E2C91AE10@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

I've just found a RAR tool with a GUI front end for OSX.  Just what I wanted.

I'll let you know how it goes.


From tsiegel at softcon.us  Thu Jun  3 17:52:54 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 11:52:54 -0500
Subject: I really really really really really really really really really
	hate This ... get the point? LOL
In-Reply-To: <F680A58E-93F0-4DC3-9971-24415CA2C85D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <F680A58E-93F0-4DC3-9971-24415CA2C85D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A129419-159A-4B3A-92BB-34B608B74886@softcon.us>

I have been screaming about this since I started using the mac.  I  
can't tell you how much productivity time I've lost due to one of  
these silly expansions.  It's absolutely the worst when programming,  
but I've had the same problem with filenames and sorting of entries in  
lists as well.
Apple doesn't seem to think it's a problem, and one other vendor I  
discussed it with at the acb convention last year also claimed it's  
not a problem.
Apparently these folks think what they're doing is perfectly  
acceptable, but I still maintain that the Sunday does not sit in the  
sky, nor do I live on a road called hurt saint, a particular dinosaur  
is not named saint ego soars, and I could name a few hundred of these  
little irritants that have caused me no end of trouble over the past 5  
years.
<sigh>
It irks me that they feel the need to do this.
I have said before (and still say) that it's the screen reader's job  
to read the screen, it's the user's job to interpret what the screen  
reader is telling them.


On Jun 1, 2010, at 2:16 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Time and time and time again, like others, I am encountering totally  
> misleading attempts by Apple to tell us what we should hear on  
> screen, rather than what really is on screen.
>
> For instance, I have a song which my other half bought from iTunes  
> yesterday It's call "December 63 (Oh What A Night)".  The track  
> number is 19.
>
> So what does VoiceOver do ... it reads it as "The 19th Of December  
> 63 (Oh What A Night).
>
> Grrrrr, this really gets up my nose I have to say.  Why won't Apple  
> stop this hand-holding misleading behaviour?
>
> Sorry folks, I just had to vent.
>
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu Jun  3 17:56:50 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 17:56:50 +0100
Subject: RAR on Mac
Message-ID: <6C66F83E-34F2-4C5C-B034-AA10A3DF652E@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Looks like the search goes on unless somebody can suggest a work-around for this problem.

In the RAR tool I'm playing with, when you do a mouse click on the Drag & Drop table to enter your files, it brings up what looks like a standard file selection finder dialogue.

I can navigate to the directory I want to archive.  But the problem is I can't find a way to select all the files.  Usual methods don't seem to work.

if I try VO+Shift+Down, of course, it just interacts with the file.  So I'm stuck and, currently, a bit frustrated.


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Thu Jun  3 18:12:36 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:12:36 +0100
Subject: I really really really really really really really really really
	hate This ... get the point? LOL
In-Reply-To: <4A129419-159A-4B3A-92BB-34B608B74886@softcon.us>
References: <F680A58E-93F0-4DC3-9971-24415CA2C85D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<4A129419-159A-4B3A-92BB-34B608B74886@softcon.us>
Message-ID: <30CCB861-082D-4DA2-89C1-7EDDA11CC664@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Travis

I totally, absolutely, utterly, completely, 1000000000000000% agree with you!  You're dead right, the screen-reader should read the screen's contents, not interpret them for you.

Apple and others clearly don't see this from the same perspective as we do.

How would they feel if they started writing something down with their pen, only to have their pen develop a mind of its own and start writing something totally different to what they intended?  Those using the Alex voice, see what you get here, it's what I call the James Bond effect.  Secret Agent 007, see what I mean?  002 is not pronounced that way, so why 007?

There are lots of others as well and yes, I can more than understand why a programmer would find this so frustrating.  We need to launch a campaign to have this stopped. :)

On 3 Jun 2010, at 17:52, Travis Siegel wrote:

I have been screaming about this since I started using the mac.  I can't tell you how much productivity time I've lost due to one of these silly expansions.  It's absolutely the worst when programming, but I've had the same problem with filenames and sorting of entries in lists as well.
Apple doesn't seem to think it's a problem, and one other vendor I discussed it with at the acb convention last year also claimed it's not a problem.
Apparently these folks think what they're doing is perfectly acceptable, but I still maintain that the Sunday does not sit in the sky, nor do I live on a road called hurt saint, a particular dinosaur is not named saint ego soars, and I could name a few hundred of these little irritants that have caused me no end of trouble over the past 5 years.
<sigh>
It irks me that they feel the need to do this.
I have said before (and still say) that it's the screen reader's job to read the screen, it's the user's job to interpret what the screen reader is telling them.


On Jun 1, 2010, at 2:16 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Time and time and time again, like others, I am encountering totally misleading attempts by Apple to tell us what we should hear on screen, rather than what really is on screen.
> 
> For instance, I have a song which my other half bought from iTunes yesterday It's call "December 63 (Oh What A Night)".  The track number is 19.
> 
> So what does VoiceOver do ... it reads it as "The 19th Of December 63 (Oh What A Night).
> 
> Grrrrr, this really gets up my nose I have to say.  Why won't Apple stop this hand-holding misleading behaviour?
> 
> Sorry folks, I just had to vent.
> 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Thu Jun  3 21:44:38 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 21:44:38 +0100
Subject: Initial Impressions of Open Office 3x on Mac OS X
Message-ID: <D25B1D04-DB3A-464C-9531-748A9F9ECB4D@gmail.com>

Hi gang, 

I am trying Open Office for the first time on Mac OS X. I am also reasonably comfortable in Linux, but couldn't get on with Open Office when I last tried it. This was doubtless down to my ineptitude with Orca, although I think my ability with that particular Screen Reader has grown since then. Anyway...

It's interesting, I've found that for some reason, Voice Over will not report  attribute characteristics such as text alignment, although it will tell me what the font is and how big it is. It also seems very verbose, reporting "edit text" every time I move up or down, preceding a noise. What is happening here please, does anyone know?

I've also found the help to be less than helpful :) although I think it is very cool that if you use VO Shift H on the pop-up menu, it tells you that it is at the top. How can I actually navigate to the help though? I can find what I want but can't find out how to read about it.

I know this is quite negative, but these are only my initial impressions after playing with it for a about 10 minutes. The keyboard commands make it feel very Linux/Microsoft Word like. Does it look like Word at all - does anyone know? Just curious, as I read that a company either here in the UK or the US witched all their employees over to using Open Office instead of MS Office.

I've not yet tried the spreadsheet application, but I'm going to try that next.

TC all
James 

From grtdane at internode.on.net  Thu Jun  3 21:58:39 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:58:39 +1000
Subject: Initial Impressions of Open Office 3x on Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <D25B1D04-DB3A-464C-9531-748A9F9ECB4D@gmail.com>
References: <D25B1D04-DB3A-464C-9531-748A9F9ECB4D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CD17599B-CA12-406C-BA50-FDFDC6C6D461@internode.on.net>

Open Office is one of those apps for the Mac which takes a while to get yourself used to.

As far as the edit boxes go, one for each paragraph and that applies to the current LINUX version I'm running too!

Open Office is not I'm sorry to say one of the most accessible products for your Mac but I will say its usable, I've not tried a lot of the things you've mentioned so I can't really comment any futher.


On 04/06/2010, at 6:44 AM, James & Nash wrote:

> Hi gang, 
> 
> I am trying Open Office for the first time on Mac OS X. I am also reasonably comfortable in Linux, but couldn't get on with Open Office when I last tried it. This was doubtless down to my ineptitude with Orca, although I think my ability with that particular Screen Reader has grown since then. Anyway...
> 
> It's interesting, I've found that for some reason, Voice Over will not report  attribute characteristics such as text alignment, although it will tell me what the font is and how big it is. It also seems very verbose, reporting "edit text" every time I move up or down, preceding a noise. What is happening here please, does anyone know?
> 
> I've also found the help to be less than helpful :) although I think it is very cool that if you use VO Shift H on the pop-up menu, it tells you that it is at the top. How can I actually navigate to the help though? I can find what I want but can't find out how to read about it.
> 
> I know this is quite negative, but these are only my initial impressions after playing with it for a about 10 minutes. The keyboard commands make it feel very Linux/Microsoft Word like. Does it look like Word at all - does anyone know? Just curious, as I read that a company either here in the UK or the US witched all their employees over to using Open Office instead of MS Office.
> 
> I've not yet tried the spreadsheet application, but I'm going to try that next.
> 
> TC all
> James 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Thu Jun  3 22:04:10 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:04:10 +0100
Subject: Initial Impressions of Open Office 3x on Mac OS X
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Hi Dane, 

Thanks for getting back to me.

I've tried the spreadsheet application, and as far as simple calculations go it seems to operate in the same way as Numbers does as far as reporting the contents of cells, although when using VO with Calc, you can hear which cell you are in i.e. b7.

Could you please drop me a note off list as I would be interested to hear about your impressions of the latest Ubuntu if you're running it. :)

Thanks 
TC
James 

On 3 Jun 2010, at 21:58, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Open Office is one of those apps for the Mac which takes a while to get yourself used to.
> 
> As far as the edit boxes go, one for each paragraph and that applies to the current LINUX version I'm running too!
> 
> Open Office is not I'm sorry to say one of the most accessible products for your Mac but I will say its usable, I've not tried a lot of the things you've mentioned so I can't really comment any futher.
> 
> 
> On 04/06/2010, at 6:44 AM, James & Nash wrote:
> 
>> Hi gang, 
>> 
>> I am trying Open Office for the first time on Mac OS X. I am also reasonably comfortable in Linux, but couldn't get on with Open Office when I last tried it. This was doubtless down to my ineptitude with Orca, although I think my ability with that particular Screen Reader has grown since then. Anyway...
>> 
>> It's interesting, I've found that for some reason, Voice Over will not report  attribute characteristics such as text alignment, although it will tell me what the font is and how big it is. It also seems very verbose, reporting "edit text" every time I move up or down, preceding a noise. What is happening here please, does anyone know?
>> 
>> I've also found the help to be less than helpful :) although I think it is very cool that if you use VO Shift H on the pop-up menu, it tells you that it is at the top. How can I actually navigate to the help though? I can find what I want but can't find out how to read about it.
>> 
>> I know this is quite negative, but these are only my initial impressions after playing with it for a about 10 minutes. The keyboard commands make it feel very Linux/Microsoft Word like. Does it look like Word at all - does anyone know? Just curious, as I read that a company either here in the UK or the US witched all their employees over to using Open Office instead of MS Office.
>> 
>> I've not yet tried the spreadsheet application, but I'm going to try that next.
>> 
>> TC all
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From n0oxy at charter.net  Fri Jun  4 00:43:35 2010
From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 18:43:35 -0500
Subject: RAR on Mac
In-Reply-To: <6C66F83E-34F2-4C5C-B034-AA10A3DF652E@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Have you tried turning off cursor tracking, and moving to each file and pressing control option command space? If that doesn't work, the program may be using some kind of nonstandard table control. Surprisingly, there is no built in keyboard shortcut for doing that, in windows, you can hold the control key and press space on each file.
On Jun 3, 2010, at 11:56 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Looks like the search goes on unless somebody can suggest a work-around for this problem.
> 
> In the RAR tool I'm playing with, when you do a mouse click on the Drag & Drop table to enter your files, it brings up what looks like a standard file selection finder dialogue.
> 
> I can navigate to the directory I want to archive.  But the problem is I can't find a way to select all the files.  Usual methods don't seem to work.
> 
> if I try VO+Shift+Down, of course, it just interacts with the file.  So I'm stuck and, currently, a bit frustrated.
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 06:43:15 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:43:15 +0100
Subject: Take Control Of Your iPad
Message-ID: <CE582B41-BF73-4B0B-B79F-5AA76B695068@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

For those amongst you who plan to buy, or are interested in the iPad, you might be interested to know that 5 new Take Control books have just been released on the subject.  Well, 4 actually ... but the bundle includes Take Control Of Mail on your iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch.

There is some excellent information in these books, including how to turn your iPad into a media machine.  I'm lucky enough now to have them, thanks to Lynne, and I'm expecting my iPad later today.

Gordon


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 06:47:36 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:47:36 +0100
Subject: Initial Impressions of Open Office 3x on Mac OS X
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Hi James

Dane may have answered this already.  But the last time I tried OpenOffice for Mac, to be honest, I really didn't like it much.

The problems you highlighted with attribute lack of feedback are significant to me, as you cannot have any idea as to your document's format without that information.

To be honest, I didn't like the fact that each paragraph is in its own edit area.  Just seemed an unnecessary waste to me.  But there we are, to each their own.


On 3 Jun 2010, at 21:44, James & Nash wrote:

Hi gang, 

I am trying Open Office for the first time on Mac OS X. I am also reasonably comfortable in Linux, but couldn't get on with Open Office when I last tried it. This was doubtless down to my ineptitude with Orca, although I think my ability with that particular Screen Reader has grown since then. Anyway...

It's interesting, I've found that for some reason, Voice Over will not report  attribute characteristics such as text alignment, although it will tell me what the font is and how big it is. It also seems very verbose, reporting "edit text" every time I move up or down, preceding a noise. What is happening here please, does anyone know?

I've also found the help to be less than helpful :) although I think it is very cool that if you use VO Shift H on the pop-up menu, it tells you that it is at the top. How can I actually navigate to the help though? I can find what I want but can't find out how to read about it.

I know this is quite negative, but these are only my initial impressions after playing with it for a about 10 minutes. The keyboard commands make it feel very Linux/Microsoft Word like. Does it look like Word at all - does anyone know? Just curious, as I read that a company either here in the UK or the US witched all their employees over to using Open Office instead of MS Office.

I've not yet tried the spreadsheet application, but I'm going to try that next.

TC all
James 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Fri Jun  4 08:42:19 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 08:42:19 +0100
Subject: Initial Impressions of Open Office 3x on Mac OS X
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Hi Gordon,
On 4 Jun 2010, at 06:47, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
> The problems you highlighted with attribute lack of feedback are significant to me, as you cannot have any idea as to your document's format without that information.

You are absolutely right. As a totally blind user, this is extremely important to me as it is to all of us on the list.
> 
> To be honest, I didn't like the fact that each paragraph is in its own edit area.  Just seemed an unnecessary waste to me.  But there we are, to each their own.

That is odd and yes a bit wasteful. Do you know how i can get in touch with folks at Open Office to let them know where they might consider making improvements?

TC
James

> Hi James
> 
> Dane may have answered this already.  But the last time I tried OpenOffice for Mac, to be honest, I really didn't like it much.
> 
> The problems you highlighted with attribute lack of feedback are significant to me, as you cannot have any idea as to your document's format without that information.
> 
> To be honest, I didn't like the fact that each paragraph is in its own edit area.  Just seemed an unnecessary waste to me.  But there we are, to each their own.
> 
> 
> On 3 Jun 2010, at 21:44, James & Nash wrote:
> 
> Hi gang, 
> 
> I am trying Open Office for the first time on Mac OS X. I am also reasonably comfortable in Linux, but couldn't get on with Open Office when I last tried it. This was doubtless down to my ineptitude with Orca, although I think my ability with that particular Screen Reader has grown since then. Anyway...
> 
> It's interesting, I've found that for some reason, Voice Over will not report  attribute characteristics such as text alignment, although it will tell me what the font is and how big it is. It also seems very verbose, reporting "edit text" every time I move up or down, preceding a noise. What is happening here please, does anyone know?
> 
> I've also found the help to be less than helpful :) although I think it is very cool that if you use VO Shift H on the pop-up menu, it tells you that it is at the top. How can I actually navigate to the help though? I can find what I want but can't find out how to read about it.
> 
> I know this is quite negative, but these are only my initial impressions after playing with it for a about 10 minutes. The keyboard commands make it feel very Linux/Microsoft Word like. Does it look like Word at all - does anyone know? Just curious, as I read that a company either here in the UK or the US witched all their employees over to using Open Office instead of MS Office.
> 
> I've not yet tried the spreadsheet application, but I'm going to try that next.
> 
> TC all
> James 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 09:31:51 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:31:51 +0100
Subject: Editing Audio with Amadeus Pro
Message-ID: <B3BB9442-4971-4645-B677-3D3B47209910@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

Well, I guess this is just a case of what you're used too, and the human instinctive resistance to change.

But, I have to say that, having used Amadeus Pro to edit audio content extensively of late, I have now completely changed my views on this programme.

At first, I considered it a cumbersome, tedious editor to use.  Indeed, I would still like to see a switch to have the heads synchronised automatically as you move through audio.  I will contact the developer with that suggestion/request.

But as I said, I've become familiar with how it works now, for the most part, and I actually have come to like using it.

I do, however, have a couple of questions.

Firstly, how do you get it to allow you to insert audio at a given point in your file?  if I try to tag audio at the point where the insertion head currently sits, it seems to zap all audio in the file following that point which, obviously, is not what I want.

I'm not talking here about using multitrack, that's an entirely different concept.  No, I'm talking about simple insertion of audio into the same mono track.

Secondly, is it possible to mark sections of audio as you go through the file, without the need to do the delete immediately?  I.e., mark the beginning, then mark the end of a section to be deleted.  Move through your file doing editing in this way as you go and then, when all is finished, simply hit the delete function to remove all of your marked sections in one swipe.

If that's possible, how is it accomplished?

Gordon


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 09:35:15 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:35:15 +0100
Subject: Initial Impressions of Open Office 3x on Mac OS X
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Hi James

Unfortunately, we no longer use the programme because there are too many things which just don't work the way we need them to work.  So I have no contact information for the developers.

Perhaps there might be something on their site?

Gordon

On 4 Jun 2010, at 08:42, James & Nash wrote:

You are absolutely right. As a totally blind user, this is extremely important to me as it is to all of us on the list.
> 
That is odd and yes a bit wasteful. Do you know how i can get in touch with folks at Open Office to let them know where they might consider making improvements?


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri Jun  4 09:37:39 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:37:39 +1000
Subject: Editing Audio with Amadeus Pro
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Mixing? Have you tried command-shift-P for paste over?


On 04/06/2010, at 6:31 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Well, I guess this is just a case of what you're used too, and the human instinctive resistance to change.
> 
> But, I have to say that, having used Amadeus Pro to edit audio content extensively of late, I have now completely changed my views on this programme.
> 
> At first, I considered it a cumbersome, tedious editor to use.  Indeed, I would still like to see a switch to have the heads synchronised automatically as you move through audio.  I will contact the developer with that suggestion/request.
> 
> But as I said, I've become familiar with how it works now, for the most part, and I actually have come to like using it.
> 
> I do, however, have a couple of questions.
> 
> Firstly, how do you get it to allow you to insert audio at a given point in your file?  if I try to tag audio at the point where the insertion head currently sits, it seems to zap all audio in the file following that point which, obviously, is not what I want.
> 
> I'm not talking here about using multitrack, that's an entirely different concept.  No, I'm talking about simple insertion of audio into the same mono track.
> 
> Secondly, is it possible to mark sections of audio as you go through the file, without the need to do the delete immediately?  I.e., mark the beginning, then mark the end of a section to be deleted.  Move through your file doing editing in this way as you go and then, when all is finished, simply hit the delete function to remove all of your marked sections in one swipe.
> 
> If that's possible, how is it accomplished?
> 
> Gordon
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 10:23:45 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:23:45 +0100
Subject: Editing Audio with Amadeus Pro
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I think you've got my message the wrong way around.  I don't want to "mix" audio, just insert a segment of audio at a certain point in the track.  I.e., move the subsequent portion of audio to the end of the newly inserted audio.

On 4 Jun 2010, at 09:37, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Mixing? Have you tried command-shift-P for paste over?



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 13:38:22 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:38:22 +0100
Subject: Apple and UPS seem to have lost my iPad!
Message-ID: <B2BE72FC-7E32-423D-88E0-3D77BF839D43@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Subject line says it all.  Nobody knows where it's gone.  The tracking state hasn't changed since Tuesday morning and it still says "In Transit to Customer, Shipment Delayed".  I'm *NOT* *PLEASED*!


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 13:39:06 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:39:06 +0100
Subject: Apple and UPS seem to have lost my iPad!
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I should have added that I've just spoken by phone to UPS and they say they've lost track of it.

On 4 Jun 2010, at 13:38, Gordon Smith wrote:

Subject line says it all.  Nobody knows where it's gone.  The tracking state hasn't changed since Tuesday morning and it still says "In Transit to Customer, Shipment Delayed".  I'm *NOT* *PLEASED*!

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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri Jun  4 14:13:18 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 23:13:18 +1000
Subject: Editing Audio with Amadeus Pro
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Use option-end to go to the end of the current audio track, press command-shift-y to move insertion point to play head and type command-v to paste the audio, does this sound more like what you want?


On 04/06/2010, at 7:23 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> I think you've got my message the wrong way around.  I don't want to "mix" audio, just insert a segment of audio at a certain point in the track.  I.e., move the subsequent portion of audio to the end of the newly inserted audio.
> 
> On 4 Jun 2010, at 09:37, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Mixing? Have you tried command-shift-P for paste over?
> 
> 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Fri Jun  4 14:40:22 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 14:40:22 +0100
Subject: Confusion with mv command in Terminal
Message-ID: <CAE95A1C-6174-4426-829A-CC09526C0AEA@gmail.com>

Hi gang, 

I have a little problem.

I am trying to simultaneously rename a file and move it to  a different directory on the command line. I cannot figure out what is wrong. I have looked at the man pages and tried every which way I can think of. This is really frustrating me. Can anyone help please? My files having spaces in them, so i am putting quotation marks around the files, but I get an error telling me that no such directory or file exists. I have ensured that things are spelt correctly.

Thanks for any help
TC
James 

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 14:40:38 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 14:40:38 +0100
Subject: Editing Audio with Amadeus Pro
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No, you still don't quite get it. <smile>.  And I think it's actually command+y to move the insertion pointer.

But, no.  The audio needs to be inserted in the middle of, not at the end of a track.


On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:13, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Use option-end to go to the end of the current audio track, press command-shift-y to move insertion point to play head and type command-v to paste the audio, does this sound more like what you want?


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> I think you've got my message the wrong way around.  I don't want to "mix" audio, just insert a segment of audio at a certain point in the track.  I.e., move the subsequent portion of audio to the end of the newly inserted audio.
> 
> On 4 Jun 2010, at 09:37, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Mixing? Have you tried command-shift-P for paste over?
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 14:43:18 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 14:43:18 +0100
Subject: Confusion with mv command in Terminal
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James

is your system case sensitive?  I ask because ours is, and if you're a LINUX buff you may have selected case sensitive Journaled as your default format.

Gordon

On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:40, James & Nash wrote:

Hi gang, 

I have a little problem.

I am trying to simultaneously rename a file and move it to  a different directory on the command line. I cannot figure out what is wrong. I have looked at the man pages and tried every which way I can think of. This is really frustrating me. Can anyone help please? My files having spaces in them, so i am putting quotation marks around the files, but I get an error telling me that no such directory or file exists. I have ensured that things are spelt correctly.

Thanks for any help
TC
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri Jun  4 14:44:07 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 23:44:07 +1000
Subject: Editing Audio with Amadeus Pro
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Ah okay <smile> so you'll need to use the "Go to" command of command-g to get to the point where you want to insert your portion of audio and paste it there.


On 04/06/2010, at 11:40 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> No, you still don't quite get it. <smile>.  And I think it's actually command+y to move the insertion pointer.
> 
> But, no.  The audio needs to be inserted in the middle of, not at the end of a track.
> 
> 
> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:13, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Use option-end to go to the end of the current audio track, press command-shift-y to move insertion point to play head and type command-v to paste the audio, does this sound more like what you want?
> 
> 
> On 04/06/2010, at 7:23 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> I think you've got my message the wrong way around.  I don't want to "mix" audio, just insert a segment of audio at a certain point in the track.  I.e., move the subsequent portion of audio to the end of the newly inserted audio.
>> 
>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 09:37, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> Mixing? Have you tried command-shift-P for paste over?
>> 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Fri Jun  4 14:58:12 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 14:58:12 +0100
Subject: Confusion with mv command in Terminal
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Yes it is, :( and I have ensured that everything is correct. Here is an example of what I am trying to do. Maybe it will clarify for you. There are spaces and quotations, so you may want to have punctuation turned on when reading the example. I am trying to rename the following mp3 file. At first, I thought it was the command line not liking mp3s but i am obviously doing something incorrectly, as it won't let me do it with pdf files either.
See below example.
mv "System*.mp3" /Users/lnt2009/Podcasting/"Terminal Basics/01 Looking Around.mp3"

I have tried to express the command to simultaneously rename and move the file in all sorts of ways and i just get the error "no file or directory exists".

Can you help please?

Thanks 
TC
James 
On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:43, Gordon Smith wrote:

> James
> 
> is your system case sensitive?  I ask because ours is, and if you're a LINUX buff you may have selected case sensitive Journaled as your default format.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:40, James & Nash wrote:
> 
> Hi gang, 
> 
> I have a little problem.
> 
> I am trying to simultaneously rename a file and move it to  a different directory on the command line. I cannot figure out what is wrong. I have looked at the man pages and tried every which way I can think of. This is really frustrating me. Can anyone help please? My files having spaces in them, so i am putting quotation marks around the files, but I get an error telling me that no such directory or file exists. I have ensured that things are spelt correctly.
> 
> Thanks for any help
> TC
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 15:07:49 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:07:49 +0100
Subject: Confusion with mv command in Terminal
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James.

I think you have extra quotation marks in the command line that shouldn't be there.

Why do you need quotes if you're using wildcards?

On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:58, James & Nash wrote:

Yes it is, :( and I have ensured that everything is correct. Here is an example of what I am trying to do. Maybe it will clarify for you. There are spaces and quotations, so you may want to have punctuation turned on when reading the example. I am trying to rename the following mp3 file. At first, I thought it was the command line not liking mp3s but i am obviously doing something incorrectly, as it won't let me do it with pdf files either.
See below example.
mv "System*.mp3" /Users/lnt2009/Podcasting/"Terminal Basics/01 Looking Around.mp3"

I have tried to express the command to simultaneously rename and move the file in all sorts of ways and i just get the error "no file or directory exists".

Can you help please?

Thanks 
TC
James 
On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:43, Gordon Smith wrote:

> James
> 
> is your system case sensitive?  I ask because ours is, and if you're a LINUX buff you may have selected case sensitive Journaled as your default format.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:40, James & Nash wrote:
> 
> Hi gang, 
> 
> I have a little problem.
> 
> I am trying to simultaneously rename a file and move it to  a different directory on the command line. I cannot figure out what is wrong. I have looked at the man pages and tried every which way I can think of. This is really frustrating me. Can anyone help please? My files having spaces in them, so i am putting quotation marks around the files, but I get an error telling me that no such directory or file exists. I have ensured that things are spelt correctly.
> 
> Thanks for any help
> TC
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 15:12:11 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:12:11 +0100
Subject: SIM for iPad
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Hi all

Does anybody know whether a Micro-SIM is physically smaller than a "SIM"?  I ask because I've just looked at the Micro-SIM I got from a carrier in readiness for use with the iPad, (if Apple and UPS ever find the damned thing that is).  The Micro-SIM was in a surround by the looks of it, about the size of a normal SIM.  But when I removed it from the paper it was glued too, the centre fell away in my hand and the plastic surround won't, of course, re-attach.

it doesn't look damaged, i.e., there are no jagged edges.  But should that really have happened?

I've never seen one before so I'm not sure.


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 15:14:36 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:14:36 +0100
Subject: Editing Audio with Amadeus Pro
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Right, that's going to be fun because I have absolutely no idea of the location time.  So why can't I just put the play and insertion heads there, then insert the audio?  But guess what, I'm none the wiser as to how to actually insert the audio.  Clipboard functions don't seem to work, but that would make sense because Amadeus Pro seems to do a lot of things contrary to how the rest of the OS works. :)


On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:44, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Ah okay <smile> so you'll need to use the "Go to" command of command-g to get to the point where you want to insert your portion of audio and paste it there.


On 04/06/2010, at 11:40 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> No, you still don't quite get it. <smile>.  And I think it's actually command+y to move the insertion pointer.
> 
> But, no.  The audio needs to be inserted in the middle of, not at the end of a track.
> 
> 
> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:13, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Use option-end to go to the end of the current audio track, press command-shift-y to move insertion point to play head and type command-v to paste the audio, does this sound more like what you want?
> 
> 
> On 04/06/2010, at 7:23 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> I think you've got my message the wrong way around.  I don't want to "mix" audio, just insert a segment of audio at a certain point in the track.  I.e., move the subsequent portion of audio to the end of the newly inserted audio.
>> 
>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 09:37, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> Mixing? Have you tried command-shift-P for paste over?
>> 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Fri Jun  4 15:51:26 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 15:51:26 +0100
Subject: Confusion with mv command in Terminal
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Hi Gordon,

Good point :)

Thanks for the heads up. Was the structure correct?
Thanks 
TC
James 
On 4 Jun 2010, at 15:07, Gordon Smith wrote:

> James.
> 
> I think you have extra quotation marks in the command line that shouldn't be there.
> 
> Why do you need quotes if you're using wildcards?
> 
> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:58, James & Nash wrote:
> 
> Yes it is, :( and I have ensured that everything is correct. Here is an example of what I am trying to do. Maybe it will clarify for you. There are spaces and quotations, so you may want to have punctuation turned on when reading the example. I am trying to rename the following mp3 file. At first, I thought it was the command line not liking mp3s but i am obviously doing something incorrectly, as it won't let me do it with pdf files either.
> See below example.
> mv "System*.mp3" /Users/lnt2009/Podcasting/"Terminal Basics/01 Looking Around.mp3"
> 
> I have tried to express the command to simultaneously rename and move the file in all sorts of ways and i just get the error "no file or directory exists".
> 
> Can you help please?
> 
> Thanks 
> TC
> James 
> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:43, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> James
>> 
>> is your system case sensitive?  I ask because ours is, and if you're a LINUX buff you may have selected case sensitive Journaled as your default format.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:40, James & Nash wrote:
>> 
>> Hi gang, 
>> 
>> I have a little problem.
>> 
>> I am trying to simultaneously rename a file and move it to  a different directory on the command line. I cannot figure out what is wrong. I have looked at the man pages and tried every which way I can think of. This is really frustrating me. Can anyone help please? My files having spaces in them, so i am putting quotation marks around the files, but I get an error telling me that no such directory or file exists. I have ensured that things are spelt correctly.
>> 
>> Thanks for any help
>> TC
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri Jun  4 15:53:13 2010
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Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 00:53:13 +1000
Subject: Editing Audio with Amadeus Pro
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Well in that case I probably can't help you any more than, I've just been playing with the software and I can insert audio by pasting from the clipboard wherever the insertion point just happens to be located in the file.  Remember that the "Go To" command moves the insertion point and not the playhead.

You can of course adjust the scrolling of the cursor keys by adjusting the zoom level if this may help you move through a file quicker.


On 05/06/2010, at 12:14 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Right, that's going to be fun because I have absolutely no idea of the location time.  So why can't I just put the play and insertion heads there, then insert the audio?  But guess what, I'm none the wiser as to how to actually insert the audio.  Clipboard functions don't seem to work, but that would make sense because Amadeus Pro seems to do a lot of things contrary to how the rest of the OS works. :)
> 
> 
> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:44, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Ah okay <smile> so you'll need to use the "Go to" command of command-g to get to the point where you want to insert your portion of audio and paste it there.
> 
> 
> On 04/06/2010, at 11:40 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> No, you still don't quite get it. <smile>.  And I think it's actually command+y to move the insertion pointer.
>> 
>> But, no.  The audio needs to be inserted in the middle of, not at the end of a track.
>> 
>> 
>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:13, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> Use option-end to go to the end of the current audio track, press command-shift-y to move insertion point to play head and type command-v to paste the audio, does this sound more like what you want?
>> 
>> 
>> On 04/06/2010, at 7:23 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> I think you've got my message the wrong way around.  I don't want to "mix" audio, just insert a segment of audio at a certain point in the track.  I.e., move the subsequent portion of audio to the end of the newly inserted audio.
>>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 09:37, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mixing? Have you tried command-shift-P for paste over?
>>> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 16:01:53 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:01:53 +0100
Subject: Confusion with mv command in Terminal
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Hi James

I'm not an expert in the Terminal but it looks right.  That said, I'm not sure whether you can actually copy and rename in the same command line.  I could be wrong about that, but if you can it's news to me.

Gordon

On 4 Jun 2010, at 15:51, James & Nash wrote:

Hi Gordon,

Good point :)

Thanks for the heads up. Was the structure correct?
Thanks 
TC
James 
On 4 Jun 2010, at 15:07, Gordon Smith wrote:

> James.
> 
> I think you have extra quotation marks in the command line that shouldn't be there.
> 
> Why do you need quotes if you're using wildcards?
> 
> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:58, James & Nash wrote:
> 
> Yes it is, :( and I have ensured that everything is correct. Here is an example of what I am trying to do. Maybe it will clarify for you. There are spaces and quotations, so you may want to have punctuation turned on when reading the example. I am trying to rename the following mp3 file. At first, I thought it was the command line not liking mp3s but i am obviously doing something incorrectly, as it won't let me do it with pdf files either.
> See below example.
> mv "System*.mp3" /Users/lnt2009/Podcasting/"Terminal Basics/01 Looking Around.mp3"
> 
> I have tried to express the command to simultaneously rename and move the file in all sorts of ways and i just get the error "no file or directory exists".
> 
> Can you help please?
> 
> Thanks 
> TC
> James 
> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:43, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> James
>> 
>> is your system case sensitive?  I ask because ours is, and if you're a LINUX buff you may have selected case sensitive Journaled as your default format.
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:40, James & Nash wrote:
>> 
>> Hi gang, 
>> 
>> I have a little problem.
>> 
>> I am trying to simultaneously rename a file and move it to  a different directory on the command line. I cannot figure out what is wrong. I have looked at the man pages and tried every which way I can think of. This is really frustrating me. Can anyone help please? My files having spaces in them, so i am putting quotation marks around the files, but I get an error telling me that no such directory or file exists. I have ensured that things are spelt correctly.
>> 
>> Thanks for any help
>> TC
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 16:04:07 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:04:07 +0100
Subject: Editing Audio with Amadeus Pro
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Yes, that's my point you see.  I don't know the exact location of the place where the audio needs to be and I can only get to it by listening.  I will keep playing though, if you reckon the clipboard cut & paste method should work, I'll have another go.

On 4 Jun 2010, at 15:53, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Well in that case I probably can't help you any more than, I've just been playing with the software and I can insert audio by pasting from the clipboard wherever the insertion point just happens to be located in the file.  Remember that the "Go To" command moves the insertion point and not the playhead.

You can of course adjust the scrolling of the cursor keys by adjusting the zoom level if this may help you move through a file quicker.


On 05/06/2010, at 12:14 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Right, that's going to be fun because I have absolutely no idea of the location time.  So why can't I just put the play and insertion heads there, then insert the audio?  But guess what, I'm none the wiser as to how to actually insert the audio.  Clipboard functions don't seem to work, but that would make sense because Amadeus Pro seems to do a lot of things contrary to how the rest of the OS works. :)
> 
> 
> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:44, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Ah okay <smile> so you'll need to use the "Go to" command of command-g to get to the point where you want to insert your portion of audio and paste it there.
> 
> 
> On 04/06/2010, at 11:40 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> No, you still don't quite get it. <smile>.  And I think it's actually command+y to move the insertion pointer.
>> 
>> But, no.  The audio needs to be inserted in the middle of, not at the end of a track.
>> 
>> 
>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:13, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> Use option-end to go to the end of the current audio track, press command-shift-y to move insertion point to play head and type command-v to paste the audio, does this sound more like what you want?
>> 
>> 
>> On 04/06/2010, at 7:23 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> I think you've got my message the wrong way around.  I don't want to "mix" audio, just insert a segment of audio at a certain point in the track.  I.e., move the subsequent portion of audio to the end of the newly inserted audio.
>>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 09:37, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mixing? Have you tried command-shift-P for paste over?
>>> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri Jun  4 16:16:49 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 01:16:49 +1000
Subject: Editing Audio with Amadeus Pro
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Well it works here, have you updated to the latest version of amadeus Pro released on 28 May?


On 05/06/2010, at 1:04 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Yes, that's my point you see.  I don't know the exact location of the place where the audio needs to be and I can only get to it by listening.  I will keep playing though, if you reckon the clipboard cut & paste method should work, I'll have another go.
> 
> On 4 Jun 2010, at 15:53, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Well in that case I probably can't help you any more than, I've just been playing with the software and I can insert audio by pasting from the clipboard wherever the insertion point just happens to be located in the file.  Remember that the "Go To" command moves the insertion point and not the playhead.
> 
> You can of course adjust the scrolling of the cursor keys by adjusting the zoom level if this may help you move through a file quicker.
> 
> 
> On 05/06/2010, at 12:14 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Right, that's going to be fun because I have absolutely no idea of the location time.  So why can't I just put the play and insertion heads there, then insert the audio?  But guess what, I'm none the wiser as to how to actually insert the audio.  Clipboard functions don't seem to work, but that would make sense because Amadeus Pro seems to do a lot of things contrary to how the rest of the OS works. :)
>> 
>> 
>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:44, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> Ah okay <smile> so you'll need to use the "Go to" command of command-g to get to the point where you want to insert your portion of audio and paste it there.
>> 
>> 
>> On 04/06/2010, at 11:40 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> No, you still don't quite get it. <smile>.  And I think it's actually command+y to move the insertion pointer.
>>> 
>>> But, no.  The audio needs to be inserted in the middle of, not at the end of a track.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:13, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> 
>>> Use option-end to go to the end of the current audio track, press command-shift-y to move insertion point to play head and type command-v to paste the audio, does this sound more like what you want?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 04/06/2010, at 7:23 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I think you've got my message the wrong way around.  I don't want to "mix" audio, just insert a segment of audio at a certain point in the track.  I.e., move the subsequent portion of audio to the end of the newly inserted audio.
>>>> 
>>>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 09:37, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mixing? Have you tried command-shift-P for paste over?
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Fri Jun  4 16:37:56 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 16:37:56 +0100
Subject: The MV command
Message-ID: <CD27FB2A-814C-446A-B7EC-0F730994FF69@gmail.com>

Hi Gordon, 

According to this link, it is possible to  simultaneously move and rename a file in one go. Maybe it doesn't like spaces though which is silly as most users will automatically put spaces in their files. I thought quotation marks around the  file/folder in question cancelled out the spaces?

Here is the link if you're interested. The heading is called Moving files.

http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fileman.html

TC
James 

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 17:42:42 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:42:42 +0100
Subject: Editing Audio with Amadeus Pro
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	<EE85CC50-3DB2-4D5E-BBA0-470C76044CDE@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<EC59EE68-077D-4B65-8461-AB9205D8A71B@internode.on.net>
	<6AE95A30-67D4-44FF-B8C3-78F0E7B2B18B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<6BF229F5-3633-4F7C-8C1B-706ABDC23A4A@internode.on.net>
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	<08F39B4A-A80E-4130-AA24-09B7FC4816C7@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Probably not, unless Lynne did.  What's new?

On 4 Jun 2010, at 16:16, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Well it works here, have you updated to the latest version of amadeus Pro released on 28 May?


On 05/06/2010, at 1:04 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Yes, that's my point you see.  I don't know the exact location of the place where the audio needs to be and I can only get to it by listening.  I will keep playing though, if you reckon the clipboard cut & paste method should work, I'll have another go.
> 
> On 4 Jun 2010, at 15:53, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Well in that case I probably can't help you any more than, I've just been playing with the software and I can insert audio by pasting from the clipboard wherever the insertion point just happens to be located in the file.  Remember that the "Go To" command moves the insertion point and not the playhead.
> 
> You can of course adjust the scrolling of the cursor keys by adjusting the zoom level if this may help you move through a file quicker.
> 
> 
> On 05/06/2010, at 12:14 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Right, that's going to be fun because I have absolutely no idea of the location time.  So why can't I just put the play and insertion heads there, then insert the audio?  But guess what, I'm none the wiser as to how to actually insert the audio.  Clipboard functions don't seem to work, but that would make sense because Amadeus Pro seems to do a lot of things contrary to how the rest of the OS works. :)
>> 
>> 
>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:44, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> Ah okay <smile> so you'll need to use the "Go to" command of command-g to get to the point where you want to insert your portion of audio and paste it there.
>> 
>> 
>> On 04/06/2010, at 11:40 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> No, you still don't quite get it. <smile>.  And I think it's actually command+y to move the insertion pointer.
>>> 
>>> But, no.  The audio needs to be inserted in the middle of, not at the end of a track.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:13, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> 
>>> Use option-end to go to the end of the current audio track, press command-shift-y to move insertion point to play head and type command-v to paste the audio, does this sound more like what you want?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 04/06/2010, at 7:23 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I think you've got my message the wrong way around.  I don't want to "mix" audio, just insert a segment of audio at a certain point in the track.  I.e., move the subsequent portion of audio to the end of the newly inserted audio.
>>>> 
>>>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 09:37, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mixing? Have you tried command-shift-P for paste over?
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 17:45:15 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:45:15 +0100
Subject: The MV command
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Hi James

I wonder though whether this applies to OSX as well as LINUX.  Probably, since OSX is BSD-based.  But perhaps Apple support could confirm that for you.

Thanks for the link, interesting reference.

Gordon

On 4 Jun 2010, at 16:37, James & Nash wrote:

Hi Gordon, 

According to this link, it is possible to  simultaneously move and rename a file in one go. Maybe it doesn't like spaces though which is silly as most users will automatically put spaces in their files. I thought quotation marks around the  file/folder in question cancelled out the spaces?

Here is the link if you're interested. The heading is called Moving files.

http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fileman.html

TC
James 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri Jun  4 17:45:51 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 02:45:51 +1000
Subject: Editing Audio with Amadeus Pro
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References: <B3BB9442-4971-4645-B677-3D3B47209910@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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	<EE85CC50-3DB2-4D5E-BBA0-470C76044CDE@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<EC59EE68-077D-4B65-8461-AB9205D8A71B@internode.on.net>
	<6AE95A30-67D4-44FF-B8C3-78F0E7B2B18B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<6BF229F5-3633-4F7C-8C1B-706ABDC23A4A@internode.on.net>
	<3CDF1EC2-9F01-429A-B349-59E38E56DC50@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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	<9EDC8E0F-ADB7-4026-887A-71607A58B39C@internode.on.net>
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The other thing which springs to mind, are you editing on the Macbook? I've seen the keyboard on my Macbook do some funny things with Amadeus Pro, when I get a few moments I'll have a play but its something I've told the developer about and he can't duplicate the problems I've had.


On 05/06/2010, at 2:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Probably not, unless Lynne did.  What's new?
> 
> On 4 Jun 2010, at 16:16, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Well it works here, have you updated to the latest version of amadeus Pro released on 28 May?
> 
> 
> On 05/06/2010, at 1:04 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Yes, that's my point you see.  I don't know the exact location of the place where the audio needs to be and I can only get to it by listening.  I will keep playing though, if you reckon the clipboard cut & paste method should work, I'll have another go.
>> 
>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 15:53, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> Well in that case I probably can't help you any more than, I've just been playing with the software and I can insert audio by pasting from the clipboard wherever the insertion point just happens to be located in the file.  Remember that the "Go To" command moves the insertion point and not the playhead.
>> 
>> You can of course adjust the scrolling of the cursor keys by adjusting the zoom level if this may help you move through a file quicker.
>> 
>> 
>> On 05/06/2010, at 12:14 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Right, that's going to be fun because I have absolutely no idea of the location time.  So why can't I just put the play and insertion heads there, then insert the audio?  But guess what, I'm none the wiser as to how to actually insert the audio.  Clipboard functions don't seem to work, but that would make sense because Amadeus Pro seems to do a lot of things contrary to how the rest of the OS works. :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:44, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah okay <smile> so you'll need to use the "Go to" command of command-g to get to the point where you want to insert your portion of audio and paste it there.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 04/06/2010, at 11:40 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>>> 
>>>> No, you still don't quite get it. <smile>.  And I think it's actually command+y to move the insertion pointer.
>>>> 
>>>> But, no.  The audio needs to be inserted in the middle of, not at the end of a track.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:13, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Use option-end to go to the end of the current audio track, press command-shift-y to move insertion point to play head and type command-v to paste the audio, does this sound more like what you want?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 04/06/2010, at 7:23 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I think you've got my message the wrong way around.  I don't want to "mix" audio, just insert a segment of audio at a certain point in the track.  I.e., move the subsequent portion of audio to the end of the newly inserted audio.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 09:37, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mixing? Have you tried command-shift-P for paste over?
>>>>> 
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From moriond at mac.com  Fri Jun  4 17:51:06 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 06:51:06 -1000
Subject: Confusion with mv command in Terminal
In-Reply-To: <A693235D-BEAB-412B-B921-EA372D04B143@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <CAE95A1C-6174-4426-829A-CC09526C0AEA@gmail.com>
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Hi James and Gordon,

The problem with the command James used is his inclusion of a wild  
card character (the asterisk) in the file name that is enclosed by the  
quotation marks.  His example is:

mv "System*.mp3" /Users/lnt2009/Podcasting/"Terminal Basics/01 Looking  
Around.mp3"

This means that the first argument in the "mv" command is a file with  
mp3 extension that actually has an asterisk at the end of its name  
(e.g., "System*"). The easy way to check whether this is a legitimate  
file is to try listing the file as written -- leave out the second  
argument in the command, and change "mv" to "ls":

ls "System*.mp3"

The same error message about file not found should show up.


On Jun 4, 2010, at 05:01, Gordon Smith wrote:

> I'm not an expert in the Terminal but it looks right.  That said,  
> I'm not sure whether you can actually copy and rename in the same  
> command line.  I could be wrong about that, but if you can it's news  
> to me.
>
I weighing in here late, but yes, you can copy and rename in the same  
command line using regular expressions. Here's an example of a compact  
way to copy "file1" to "file2":
cp file{1,2}
I put left and right braces around the part of the name I want to  
change, and this is equivalent to:
cp file1 file2
Normally, spaces and commas act as delimiters, indicating the end of  
an argument, so if I want to include a space in the file name, I need  
to include a backslash before the space.  The backslash acts as the  
escape character, and tells the system in this instance to treat the  
space as just another character in the name:
cp file{1,\ 2}
This is equivalent to:
cp file1 "file 2"
I copied "file1" to a second file that had a space in its name.  You  
can also rename files the same way by changing the "cp" to "mv" in the  
above examples.  The backslash character is also used when you want to  
use wildcards in file names.  I think James didn't really intend to  
use a wild card in his command -- otherwise every mp3 file with a name  
beginning with "System" would, successively, have been moved to "01  
Looking Around.mp3" in his specified directory.  In other words, if  
there was more than one mp3 file with a name starting with "System" he  
would have problems.

Cheers,

Esther


From moriond at mac.com  Fri Jun  4 18:34:29 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 07:34:29 -1000
Subject: Reading Take Control Books in iBooks on the iPad [was Re: Take Control
	Of Your iPad]
In-Reply-To: <CE582B41-BF73-4B0B-B79F-5AA76B695068@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Hi Gordon,

Gordon Smith wrote:

> For those amongst you who plan to buy, or are interested in the  
> iPad, you might be interested to know that 5 new Take Control books  
> have just been released on the subject.  Well, 4 actually ... but  
> the bundle includes Take Control Of Mail on your iPad/iPhone/iPod  
> Touch.

Just thought I would add that you will be able to read these Take  
Control books on your iPad in the iBooks app by using the ePub  
versions.  The Take Control people have created accounts for their  
customers with free ePub versions of any Take Control Books purchased  
from them (in PDF format) in the past.  You'll need to access it using  
the email address you used for your purchase.

To access your account, visit the Take Control web site:
<http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/>
1. Navigate to the "Log In" link at the top right of the page and  
activate it (VO-Space on the Mac, or double tap on the iPad).
2. Activate (VO-Space or double tap) the "Reset password" link.
3. On the new page for resetting your password, type the Email address  
you used for your order in the text box, then press (VO-Space or  
double tap) the "Send Password Reset Instructions" button.
You'll be mailed a new password that you can use to log into your  
account.  Copy it so you can paste it into the password field when you  
return to the log in site and enter your email address and press (VO- 
Space) the log in  button.  You'll find a list of your purchased  
eBooks.  Just download the epub versions of each file from each link.

Add the files to your iTunes library (Command-O).  They'll show up in  
the Books section.  Then sync them to your iPad by checking the  
options on the "Books" tab to either sync all, or just the checked  
books, and read them in iBooks.  They'll show up in your library just  
like eBooks purchased from the iBooks store.

If the OS 4.0 upgrade for the iPhone/iPod Touch gives access to  
iBooks, the same instructions should work for reading the Take Control  
books, or any DRM-free ePub books, on your iPhone or iPod Touch.

Cheers,

Esther



From moriond at mac.com  Fri Jun  4 18:38:02 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 07:38:02 -1000
Subject: SIM for iPad
In-Reply-To: <BA2C69F8-7B07-447B-A330-F32432AD6B7D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <BA2C69F8-7B07-447B-A330-F32432AD6B7D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <268F957F-65CB-41F3-AA69-D33F83F2AC84@mac.com>

Hi Gordon,

Yes, the Micro-SIM for the iPad is physically smaller than a SIM.   
Rumor is, the new iPhone 4G will use the same Micro-SIM as the iPad  
uses.

Cheers,

Esther

Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Does anybody know whether a Micro-SIM is physically smaller than a  
> "SIM"?  I ask because I've just looked at the Micro-SIM I got from a  
> carrier in readiness for use with the iPad, (if Apple and UPS ever  
> find the damned thing that is).  The Micro-SIM was in a surround by  
> the looks of it, about the size of a normal SIM.  But when I removed  
> it from the paper it was glued too, the centre fell away in my hand  
> and the plastic surround won't, of course, re-attach.
>
> it doesn't look damaged, i.e., there are no jagged edges.  But  
> should that really have happened?
>
> I've never seen one before so I'm not sure.
>


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 18:48:50 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:48:50 +0100
Subject: iPhone 4G
Message-ID: <74C4DBA0-B3C0-4316-8492-A4FD1F9332B3@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

I've just learned that the new iPhone 4G will, like the iPad, use micro-SIM cards, rather than the SIM cards that the 3G uses.  That definitely puts pay, I think, to our thoughts of maybe getting an upgraded model and giving our current one to another family member.  It means a new mobile plan and it wouldn't be a simple matter.  Oh well, good to know. :-)



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 18:54:51 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:54:51 +0100
Subject: Editing Audio with Amadeus Pro
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I'm editing using a MacBook Pro which, now, has an early 2010 system board in it.


On 4 Jun 2010, at 17:45, Dane Trethowan wrote:

The other thing which springs to mind, are you editing on the Macbook? I've seen the keyboard on my Macbook do some funny things with Amadeus Pro, when I get a few moments I'll have a play but its something I've told the developer about and he can't duplicate the problems I've had.


On 05/06/2010, at 2:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Probably not, unless Lynne did.  What's new?
> 
> On 4 Jun 2010, at 16:16, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Well it works here, have you updated to the latest version of amadeus Pro released on 28 May?
> 
> 
> On 05/06/2010, at 1:04 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> Yes, that's my point you see.  I don't know the exact location of the place where the audio needs to be and I can only get to it by listening.  I will keep playing though, if you reckon the clipboard cut & paste method should work, I'll have another go.
>> 
>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 15:53, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> 
>> Well in that case I probably can't help you any more than, I've just been playing with the software and I can insert audio by pasting from the clipboard wherever the insertion point just happens to be located in the file.  Remember that the "Go To" command moves the insertion point and not the playhead.
>> 
>> You can of course adjust the scrolling of the cursor keys by adjusting the zoom level if this may help you move through a file quicker.
>> 
>> 
>> On 05/06/2010, at 12:14 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> Right, that's going to be fun because I have absolutely no idea of the location time.  So why can't I just put the play and insertion heads there, then insert the audio?  But guess what, I'm none the wiser as to how to actually insert the audio.  Clipboard functions don't seem to work, but that would make sense because Amadeus Pro seems to do a lot of things contrary to how the rest of the OS works. :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:44, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah okay <smile> so you'll need to use the "Go to" command of command-g to get to the point where you want to insert your portion of audio and paste it there.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 04/06/2010, at 11:40 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>>> 
>>>> No, you still don't quite get it. <smile>.  And I think it's actually command+y to move the insertion pointer.
>>>> 
>>>> But, no.  The audio needs to be inserted in the middle of, not at the end of a track.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:13, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Use option-end to go to the end of the current audio track, press command-shift-y to move insertion point to play head and type command-v to paste the audio, does this sound more like what you want?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 04/06/2010, at 7:23 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I think you've got my message the wrong way around.  I don't want to "mix" audio, just insert a segment of audio at a certain point in the track.  I.e., move the subsequent portion of audio to the end of the newly inserted audio.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 09:37, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mixing? Have you tried command-shift-P for paste over?
>>>>> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 19:09:16 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 19:09:16 +0100
Subject: Reading Take Control Books in iBooks on the iPad [was Re: Take
	Control Of Your iPad]
In-Reply-To: <CFE6CF06-DE99-4D5E-860A-AF2BD699C075@mac.com>
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Hi Esther

yes, I read about this in the books.  Lynne bought me the new bundle last night.

Thanks.

Gordon


On 4 Jun 2010, at 18:34, Esther wrote:

Hi Gordon,

Gordon Smith wrote:

> For those amongst you who plan to buy, or are interested in the iPad, you might be interested to know that 5 new Take Control books have just been released on the subject.  Well, 4 actually ... but the bundle includes Take Control Of Mail on your iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch.

Just thought I would add that you will be able to read these Take Control books on your iPad in the iBooks app by using the ePub versions.  The Take Control people have created accounts for their customers with free ePub versions of any Take Control Books purchased from them (in PDF format) in the past.  You'll need to access it using the email address you used for your purchase.

To access your account, visit the Take Control web site:
<http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/>
1. Navigate to the "Log In" link at the top right of the page and activate it (VO-Space on the Mac, or double tap on the iPad).
2. Activate (VO-Space or double tap) the "Reset password" link.
3. On the new page for resetting your password, type the Email address you used for your order in the text box, then press (VO-Space or double tap) the "Send Password Reset Instructions" button.
You'll be mailed a new password that you can use to log into your account.  Copy it so you can paste it into the password field when you return to the log in site and enter your email address and press (VO-Space) the log in  button.  You'll find a list of your purchased eBooks.  Just download the epub versions of each file from each link.

Add the files to your iTunes library (Command-O).  They'll show up in the Books section.  Then sync them to your iPad by checking the options on the "Books" tab to either sync all, or just the checked books, and read them in iBooks.  They'll show up in your library just like eBooks purchased from the iBooks store.

If the OS 4.0 upgrade for the iPhone/iPod Touch gives access to iBooks, the same instructions should work for reading the Take Control books, or any DRM-free ePub books, on your iPhone or iPod Touch.

Cheers,

Esther


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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 19:10:07 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 19:10:07 +0100
Subject: SIM for iPad
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References: <BA2C69F8-7B07-447B-A330-F32432AD6B7D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Hi Esther

Apparently the rumours are true.

Gordon

On 4 Jun 2010, at 18:38, Esther wrote:

Hi Gordon,

Yes, the Micro-SIM for the iPad is physically smaller than a SIM.  Rumor is, the new iPhone 4G will use the same Micro-SIM as the iPad uses.


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 18:53:23 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 18:53:23 +0100
Subject: 3G iPad
Message-ID: <E717F909-57E6-4415-B36F-8BAC4A0F6270@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi.

Just read this in a book.  It's so short, it isn't worth posting a link too, even assuming there was one.  But it isn't generally true, as I've already discovered:

There are some cons to the 3G I Pad:
Higher cost: You'll pay $130 more for the I Pad itself, and using the 3G connection requires a paid data plan. In the United States, AT&T offers two I Pad data plans : one costs $14.99 a month for up to 250 MB of data (upstream and downstream combined), and the other costs $29.99 per month for unlimited data use. You can monitor your usage and switch plans easily whenever you want? there's no long-term contract. Rates for data plans in other countries vary, but are generally more expensive.

Not here!  It is only going to cost me ?15.00 a month for 3GB throughput.  So that's considerably lower, I think, in terms of both US Dollars and throughput to that quotation.  I'd be interested if anybody else in the US has subscribe too or looked at this to see if that price quotation is valid.

Gordon


From tsiegel at softcon.us  Fri Jun  4 19:32:04 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:32:04 -0500
Subject: Apple and UPS seem to have lost my iPad!
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Ups has a habbit of loosing things.
I had a rather expensive item lost when shipping from Canada to me in  
Delaware US, and unfortunately, it wasn't replacable.  I did get about  
20 percent of my money back from the guy who I purchased the source  
code from, but as it stands, I'm stuck with a non-working version of  
source he burned before shipping the computer (which is what ups lost)  
and there's never been any trace of it since.
Unfortunately, he only insured it for a lousy 100 bucks, so ups didn't  
care about that, they probably pay that much in a single claim just to  
get people to go away.
if he'd insured it for the full 25K, I'm sure ups would have mad sure  
it didn't get lost.
But, there it is. <sigh>
I know things get lost, but with today's technologies, there's no  
excuse for this sort of thing.
Hopefully ups and/or apple will make good on this one for you though.
Me, I'm out 20K, and have very little hope of getting what I did get  
to work <sigh>
Sucks, but there it is.
Anyway, hope you get it all sorted out.


On Jun 4, 2010, at 7:38 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Subject line says it all.  Nobody knows where it's gone.  The  
> tracking state hasn't changed since Tuesday morning and it still  
> says "In Transit to Customer, Shipment Delayed".  I'm *NOT* *PLEASED*!
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri Jun  4 19:39:14 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 04:39:14 +1000
Subject: iPhone 4G
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Hmm, glad I don't have to even think about upgrading mine for the next 18 months or so <smile>.


On 05/06/2010, at 3:48 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> I've just learned that the new iPhone 4G will, like the iPad, use micro-SIM cards, rather than the SIM cards that the 3G uses.  That definitely puts pay, I think, to our thoughts of maybe getting an upgraded model and giving our current one to another family member.  It means a new mobile plan and it wouldn't be a simple matter.  Oh well, good to know. :-)
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From tsiegel at softcon.us  Fri Jun  4 19:39:52 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:39:52 -0500
Subject: Confusion with mv command in Terminal
In-Reply-To: <CAE95A1C-6174-4426-829A-CC09526C0AEA@gmail.com>
References: <CAE95A1C-6174-4426-829A-CC09526C0AEA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20AD95BD-818D-4552-8131-B361DC4DE290@softcon.us>

Two things to try here.
First, instead of using quotes, try placing a backslash (\) before the  
space characters in your filenames.  This will allow you to type the  
whole filename w/o having to insert quotes in the name.
Second thing is to make sure that you're quoting the entire path/ 
filename, not just the file itself.
I.E.
mv "file to be moved.txt" "/volumes/userbackup/new file name.txt"
That will both move and rename the file for you.
If you just wish to move the file w/o renaming it, then all you need  
is the folder to which you're moving the file like this:
mv "file with really long name with spaces.txt" /volumes/userbackup

That should do the trick for you.  If you have any other trouble, give  
a shout.


On Jun 4, 2010, at 8:40 AM, James & Nash wrote:

> Hi gang,
>
> I have a little problem.
>
> I am trying to simultaneously rename a file and move it to  a  
> different directory on the command line. I cannot figure out what is  
> wrong. I have looked at the man pages and tried every which way I  
> can think of. This is really frustrating me. Can anyone help please?  
> My files having spaces in them, so i am putting quotation marks  
> around the files, but I get an error telling me that no such  
> directory or file exists. I have ensured that things are spelt  
> correctly.
>
> Thanks for any help
> TC
> James
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 19:47:37 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 19:47:37 +0100
Subject: Apple and UPS seem to have lost my iPad!
In-Reply-To: <6BA94166-54D8-4134-9238-36A6B113E44D@softcon.us>
References: <B2BE72FC-7E32-423D-88E0-3D77BF839D43@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Hello Travis

On 4 Jun 2010, at 19:32, Travis Siegel wrote:

? Ups has a habbit of loosing things.
I had a rather expensive item lost when shipping from Canada to me in Delaware US, and unfortunately, it wasn't replacable.  I did get about 20 percent of my money back from the guy who I purchased the source code from, but as it stands, I'm stuck with a non-working version of source he burned before shipping the computer (which is what ups lost) and there's never been any trace of it since.

That is utterly shocking! How any company expects to enhance its reputation as a reliable and efficient courier service when they behave like that is just beyond me.

I have a package to send off to Australia shortly via special courier. Something the person it's going too cannot obtain locally. I will not be using UPS as I had thought of doing. City Link will probably be a better bet.

? Unfortunately, he only insured it for a lousy 100 bucks, so ups didn't care about that, they probably pay that much in a single claim just to get people to go away.
if he'd insured it for the full 25K, I'm sure ups would have mad sure it didn't get lost.
But, there it is. <sigh>

We're getting a little off topic here. :) But I just wonder why Apple continues to use UPS as their preferred courier. This is the third time we've had problems with them delivery stuff to us that Apple has sent out and, on the last occasion, it took 5 weeks to get the item replaced as Apple wouldn't send it before UPS had "investigated" and they don't rush these things.

? I know things get lost, but with today's technologies, there's no excuse for this sort of thing.
Hopefully ups and/or apple will make good on this one for you though.
Me, I'm out 20K, and have very little hope of getting what I did get to work <sigh>
Sucks, but there it is.
Anyway, hope you get it all sorted out.

I am sorry to hear of your loss. That is a really bad example of how to do business.

Lynne


From tsiegel at softcon.us  Fri Jun  4 19:44:56 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 13:44:56 -0500
Subject: Confusion with mv command in Terminal
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Ahh, gotcha.
You can't do this with the osx terminal.
For some silly reason, apple (in their great wisdom) has severely  
limited the use of wildcards in file operations.
you can use them to copy files,
cp files_with_mp3_extensions.* /volumes/users
and all files with that name and any extension at all (txt, mp3, pdf,  
etc) will all be copied to the new location.
However, you cannot do this:
mv ~/*.mp3 /volumes/backup/*.m4a
This will not work on osx, though it works just fine in linux.
I've seriously considered swiping the mv code from a slackware  
installation and compiling it under osx just so this kind of  
wildcarding will work as it does in linux.
I have no idea why this is the default behavior, but unfortunately,  
that's the way apple made their mv command behave, so we're stuck with  
it.
Hope this helps.


On Jun 4, 2010, at 8:58 AM, James & Nash wrote:

> Yes it is, :( and I have ensured that everything is correct. Here is  
> an example of what I am trying to do. Maybe it will clarify for you.  
> There are spaces and quotations, so you may want to have punctuation  
> turned on when reading the example. I am trying to rename the  
> following mp3 file. At first, I thought it was the command line not  
> liking mp3s but i am obviously doing something incorrectly, as it  
> won't let me do it with pdf files either.
> See below example.
> mv "System*.mp3" /Users/lnt2009/Podcasting/"Terminal Basics/01  
> Looking Around.mp3"
>
> I have tried to express the command to simultaneously rename and  
> move the file in all sorts of ways and i just get the error "no file  
> or directory exists".
>
> Can you help please?
>
> Thanks
> TC
> James
> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:43, Gordon Smith wrote:
>
>> James
>>
>> is your system case sensitive?  I ask because ours is, and if  
>> you're a LINUX buff you may have selected case sensitive Journaled  
>> as your default format.
>>
>> Gordon
>>
>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:40, James & Nash wrote:
>>
>> Hi gang,
>>
>> I have a little problem.
>>
>> I am trying to simultaneously rename a file and move it to  a  
>> different directory on the command line. I cannot figure out what  
>> is wrong. I have looked at the man pages and tried every which way  
>> I can think of. This is really frustrating me. Can anyone help  
>> please? My files having spaces in them, so i am putting quotation  
>> marks around the files, but I get an error telling me that no such  
>> directory or file exists. I have ensured that things are spelt  
>> correctly.
>>
>> Thanks for any help
>> TC
>> James
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 19:50:09 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 19:50:09 +0100
Subject: iPhone 4G
In-Reply-To: <2F8FF568-56D3-4FE1-9B77-BF827DBFA52F@internode.on.net>
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	<2F8FF568-56D3-4FE1-9B77-BF827DBFA52F@internode.on.net>
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Hello Dane

On 4 Jun 2010, at 19:39, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Hmm, glad I don't have to even think about upgrading mine for the next 18 months or so <smile>.

By which tine, the 5G will probably be out. You cannot plan that far ahead with technology. :)

Incidentally Dane, did you get the message you were sent privately this morning about books?

Lynne


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Fri Jun  4 20:13:58 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:13:58 +0100
Subject: ePub books
Message-ID: <13B0E5A8-72F4-4AD3-8545-6F70104A800D@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

Is there a way to play these on the Mac, or is it a case of biting my nails down to the flesh until my iPad gets found/replaced/whatevered?

Gordon


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri Jun  4 20:34:22 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 05:34:22 +1000
Subject: Inserting audio with Amadeus Pro
Message-ID: <3AE7EEF8-70E6-49CD-8EC5-18A783C246D4@internode.on.net>

Hi!

Just to confirm that the steps I outlined to insert audio with Amadeus Pro work on my Macbook at any rate so just to summarise here's what I do.

Go to the point in the file I'm editing where I want the portion of audio I've previously copied to the clipboard inserted.  Press command y to move insertion point to playhead or press command-shift-y to move playhead to insertion point, which command you use is going to depend on how you located the point for insertion of audio.  For example, if you were playing the file and used the arrow keys to get to the point of insertion then you'll need to move insertion point to playhead.  If you used arrow keys whilst the audio was not playing then you'll have to move playhead to insertion pointer though this step may not be neccessary given that you're moving the insertion pointer in stop mode I prefer to do it as a matter of course so I know where both pointers are to avoid any accidents <smile>.

Next type command-v to "Paste" the portion of audio on the clipboard at the location of your insertion point, audio is inserted into your file at that point so in other words any audio which comes after the insertion point before you pasted is pushed down to the end of the piece of audio you inserted.


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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Fri Jun  4 20:36:16 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 05:36:16 +1000
Subject: Accessible dictionary for the Iphone
Message-ID: <2835BC96-7B65-4CC8-B325-F4409F57DF2B@internode.on.net>

Hi!

Anyone know of one of these?


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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Fri Jun  4 20:38:20 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:38:20 +0100
Subject: Confusion with mv command in Terminal
In-Reply-To: <20AD95BD-818D-4552-8131-B361DC4DE290@softcon.us>
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	<20AD95BD-818D-4552-8131-B361DC4DE290@softcon.us>
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Thanks Travis, I'll try this.
On 4 Jun 2010, at 19:39, Travis Siegel wrote:

> Two things to try here.
> First, instead of using quotes, try placing a backslash (\) before the space characters in your filenames.  This will allow you to type the whole filename w/o having to insert quotes in the name.
> Second thing is to make sure that you're quoting the entire path/filename, not just the file itself.
> I.E.
> mv "file to be moved.txt" "/volumes/userbackup/new file name.txt"
> That will both move and rename the file for you.
> If you just wish to move the file w/o renaming it, then all you need is the folder to which you're moving the file like this:
> mv "file with really long name with spaces.txt" /volumes/userbackup
> 
> That should do the trick for you.  If you have any other trouble, give a shout.
> 
> 
> On Jun 4, 2010, at 8:40 AM, James & Nash wrote:
> 
>> Hi gang,
>> 
>> I have a little problem.
>> 
>> I am trying to simultaneously rename a file and move it to  a different directory on the command line. I cannot figure out what is wrong. I have looked at the man pages and tried every which way I can think of. This is really frustrating me. Can anyone help please? My files having spaces in them, so i am putting quotation marks around the files, but I get an error telling me that no such directory or file exists. I have ensured that things are spelt correctly.
>> 
>> Thanks for any help
>> TC
>> James
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Fri Jun  4 20:39:44 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:39:44 +0100
Subject: Confusion with mv command in Terminal
In-Reply-To: <7CBB7FA2-DEC3-43E7-BD77-A2E741E482DE@softcon.us>
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It does, thanks Travis. How did you find this out?

Thanks 
TC
James 
On 4 Jun 2010, at 19:44, Travis Siegel wrote:

> Ahh, gotcha.
> You can't do this with the osx terminal.
> For some silly reason, apple (in their great wisdom) has severely limited the use of wildcards in file operations.
> you can use them to copy files,
> cp files_with_mp3_extensions.* /volumes/users
> and all files with that name and any extension at all (txt, mp3, pdf, etc) will all be copied to the new location.
> However, you cannot do this:
> mv ~/*.mp3 /volumes/backup/*.m4a
> This will not work on osx, though it works just fine in linux.
> I've seriously considered swiping the mv code from a slackware installation and compiling it under osx just so this kind of wildcarding will work as it does in linux.
> I have no idea why this is the default behavior, but unfortunately, that's the way apple made their mv command behave, so we're stuck with it.
> Hope this helps.
> 
> 
> On Jun 4, 2010, at 8:58 AM, James & Nash wrote:
> 
>> Yes it is, :( and I have ensured that everything is correct. Here is an example of what I am trying to do. Maybe it will clarify for you. There are spaces and quotations, so you may want to have punctuation turned on when reading the example. I am trying to rename the following mp3 file. At first, I thought it was the command line not liking mp3s but i am obviously doing something incorrectly, as it won't let me do it with pdf files either.
>> See below example.
>> mv "System*.mp3" /Users/lnt2009/Podcasting/"Terminal Basics/01 Looking Around.mp3"
>> 
>> I have tried to express the command to simultaneously rename and move the file in all sorts of ways and i just get the error "no file or directory exists".
>> 
>> Can you help please?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> TC
>> James
>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:43, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> 
>>> James
>>> 
>>> is your system case sensitive?  I ask because ours is, and if you're a LINUX buff you may have selected case sensitive Journaled as your default format.
>>> 
>>> Gordon
>>> 
>>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 14:40, James & Nash wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi gang,
>>> 
>>> I have a little problem.
>>> 
>>> I am trying to simultaneously rename a file and move it to  a different directory on the command line. I cannot figure out what is wrong. I have looked at the man pages and tried every which way I can think of. This is really frustrating me. Can anyone help please? My files having spaces in them, so i am putting quotation marks around the files, but I get an error telling me that no such directory or file exists. I have ensured that things are spelt correctly.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any help
>>> TC
>>> James
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> 
>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
>>> 
>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at:
>>> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Fri Jun  4 20:40:39 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:40:39 +0100
Subject: Confusion with mv command in Terminal
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Thanks Esther, I'll have to be more aware of my use of wildcards. Obviously a misunderstanding on my part. 

TC
James 
On 4 Jun 2010, at 17:51, Esther wrote:

> Hi James and Gordon,
> 
> The problem with the command James used is his inclusion of a wild card character (the asterisk) in the file name that is enclosed by the quotation marks.  His example is:
> 
> mv "System*.mp3" /Users/lnt2009/Podcasting/"Terminal Basics/01 Looking Around.mp3"
> 
> This means that the first argument in the "mv" command is a file with mp3 extension that actually has an asterisk at the end of its name (e.g., "System*"). The easy way to check whether this is a legitimate file is to try listing the file as written -- leave out the second argument in the command, and change "mv" to "ls":
> 
> ls "System*.mp3"
> 
> The same error message about file not found should show up.
> 
> 
> On Jun 4, 2010, at 05:01, Gordon Smith wrote:
> 
>> I'm not an expert in the Terminal but it looks right.  That said, I'm not sure whether you can actually copy and rename in the same command line.  I could be wrong about that, but if you can it's news to me.
>> 
> I weighing in here late, but yes, you can copy and rename in the same command line using regular expressions. Here's an example of a compact way to copy "file1" to "file2":
> cp file{1,2}
> I put left and right braces around the part of the name I want to change, and this is equivalent to:
> cp file1 file2
> Normally, spaces and commas act as delimiters, indicating the end of an argument, so if I want to include a space in the file name, I need to include a backslash before the space.  The backslash acts as the escape character, and tells the system in this instance to treat the space as just another character in the name:
> cp file{1,\ 2}
> This is equivalent to:
> cp file1 "file 2"
> I copied "file1" to a second file that had a space in its name.  You can also rename files the same way by changing the "cp" to "mv" in the above examples.  The backslash character is also used when you want to use wildcards in file names.  I think James didn't really intend to use a wild card in his command -- otherwise every mp3 file with a name beginning with "System" would, successively, have been moved to "01 Looking Around.mp3" in his specified directory.  In other words, if there was more than one mp3 file with a name starting with "System" he would have problems.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Fri Jun  4 20:42:16 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:42:16 +0100
Subject: ePub books
In-Reply-To: <13B0E5A8-72F4-4AD3-8545-6F70104A800D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <13B0E5A8-72F4-4AD3-8545-6F70104A800D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <765F8D11-1D7D-4753-BB84-852DB230C280@gmail.com>

Hi Gordon, 

Have you tried Stanza? You can get it from:
http://www.lexcycle.com/download-macintosh

TC
James 
On 4 Jun 2010, at 20:13, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Is there a way to play these on the Mac, or is it a case of biting my nails down to the flesh until my iPad gets found/replaced/whatevered?
> 
> Gordon
> 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Fri Jun  4 20:43:57 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:43:57 +0100
Subject: Accessible dictionary for the Iphone
In-Reply-To: <2835BC96-7B65-4CC8-B325-F4409F57DF2B@internode.on.net>
References: <2835BC96-7B65-4CC8-B325-F4409F57DF2B@internode.on.net>
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Hi Dane, 

I've not tried it on the IPhone, but have you looked at Ultra Lingua?

http://www.ultralingua.com

TC
James 
On 4 Jun 2010, at 20:36, Dane Trethowan wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> Anyone know of one of these?
> 
> 
> Dane Trethowan
> grtdane at internode.on.net
> 
> Mobile:/SMS +614571201
> Twitter: Http://www.twitter.com/grtdane
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> skype: grtdane12
> 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Fri Jun  4 20:49:37 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:49:37 +0100
Subject: MV now seems to be sorted
In-Reply-To: <20AD95BD-818D-4552-8131-B361DC4DE290@softcon.us>
References: <CAE95A1C-6174-4426-829A-CC09526C0AEA@gmail.com>
	<20AD95BD-818D-4552-8131-B361DC4DE290@softcon.us>
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Hi everyone, 

Thank you to everyone who offered advice on this. I now seem to have accomplished what I wanted. It's a shame though that Apple have garbled the "mv" command.
Thanks again :)
TC
James 

From moriond at mac.com  Fri Jun  4 20:57:13 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 09:57:13 -1000
Subject: Accessible dictionary for the Iphone
In-Reply-To: <2835BC96-7B65-4CC8-B325-F4409F57DF2B@internode.on.net>
References: <2835BC96-7B65-4CC8-B325-F4409F57DF2B@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <80C69B12-F065-4C9C-8A99-DEC2B96949A5@mac.com>

Hi Dane,

A very good accessible dictionary app that is also free:  
Dictionary.com.  It has nearly 1,000,000 words and 90,000 synonyms, a  
thesaurus, and will pronounce words if you double tap on the link  
image that follows each word.  All functions work (except for  
pronouncing the word) even without an internet connection.  It does  
take a 42.2 MB download, though.  There's a history function, and a  
"Word of the Day".  Find it at:
<http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/dictionary-com-dictionary/id308750436?mt=8 
 >

Another dictionary app that I've used is the Advanced English  
Dictionary & Thesaurus ($0.99 or ?0.59) by jDictionary Mobile.  This  
is more of interest for someone who likes to find out about related  
language terms in the thesaurus functions.  Take any current concept  
from popular science, economics, cooking, etc. and look through linked  
selections of related terms.

Here's a link to a review of jDicitionary Mobile's Advanced English  
Dictionary & Thesaurus app that outlines some of the strengths in the  
way this app links to related words:
<http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/09/19/review_iphone_app_advanced_english_dictionary/print.html 
 >
Their quick summary: "AED cleverly fits words into a structure of  
meaning rather than a simple alphabetical list. One for explorers of  
language rather than crossword buffs."

The Advanced English Dictionary & Thesaurus can be found at:
<http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/advanced-english-dictionary/id293150206?mt=8 
 >

Cheers,

Esther



From moriond at mac.com  Fri Jun  4 21:03:17 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 10:03:17 -1000
Subject: Confusion with mv command in Terminal
In-Reply-To: <1B249E75-B463-4704-A507-0659969DC374@gmail.com>
References: <CAE95A1C-6174-4426-829A-CC09526C0AEA@gmail.com>
	<DF117C98-632A-46B6-B13F-BE832240D9E2@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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	<5E3D9F8B-EC00-4094-AC43-5AB1A252C5A1@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<99FCA829-EA5C-4750-9849-B7C48575E6B9@gmail.com>
	<A693235D-BEAB-412B-B921-EA372D04B143@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<78BAC800-80A1-445A-AC57-D2D7202D686F@mac.com>
	<1B249E75-B463-4704-A507-0659969DC374@gmail.com>
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Hi James,

I should have mentioned that I had examples of using "mv" to both copy  
and rename interleaved after an excerpt of Gordon's post, just in case  
you missed that part of my message.

Cheers,

Esther

On Jun 4, 2010, at 09:40, James & Nash wrote:

> Thanks Esther, I'll have to be more aware of my use of wildcards.  
> Obviously a misunderstanding on my part.
>
> TC
> James
> On 4 Jun 2010, at 17:51, Esther wrote:
>
>> Hi James and Gordon,
>>
>> The problem with the command James used is his inclusion of a wild  
>> card character (the asterisk) in the file name that is enclosed by  
>> the quotation marks.  His example is:
>>
>> mv "System*.mp3" /Users/lnt2009/Podcasting/"Terminal Basics/01  
>> Looking Around.mp3"
>>
>> This means that the first argument in the "mv" command is a file  
>> with mp3 extension that actually has an asterisk at the end of its  
>> name (e.g., "System*"). The easy way to check whether this is a  
>> legitimate file is to try listing the file as written -- leave out  
>> the second argument in the command, and change "mv" to "ls":
>>
>> ls "System*.mp3"
>>
>> The same error message about file not found should show up.
>>
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2010, at 05:01, Gordon Smith wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not an expert in the Terminal but it looks right.  That said,  
>>> I'm not sure whether you can actually copy and rename in the same  
>>> command line.  I could be wrong about that, but if you can it's  
>>> news to me.
>>>
>> I weighing in here late, but yes, you can copy and rename in the  
>> same command line using regular expressions. Here's an example of a  
>> compact way to copy "file1" to "file2":
>> cp file{1,2}
>> I put left and right braces around the part of the name I want to  
>> change, and this is equivalent to:
>> cp file1 file2
>> Normally, spaces and commas act as delimiters, indicating the end  
>> of an argument, so if I want to include a space in the file name, I  
>> need to include a backslash before the space.  The backslash acts  
>> as the escape character, and tells the system in this instance to  
>> treat the space as just another character in the name:
>> cp file{1,\ 2}
>> This is equivalent to:
>> cp file1 "file 2"
>> I copied "file1" to a second file that had a space in its name.   
>> You can also rename files the same way by changing the "cp" to "mv"  
>> in the above examples.  The backslash character is also used when  
>> you want to use wildcards in file names.  I think James didn't  
>> really intend to use a wild card in his command -- otherwise every  
>> mp3 file with a name beginning with "System" would, successively,  
>> have been moved to "01 Looking Around.mp3" in his specified  
>> directory.  In other words, if there was more than one mp3 file  
>> with a name starting with "System" he would have problems.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Esther
>>


From kc8pdx at arrl.net  Fri Jun  4 22:42:34 2010
From: kc8pdx at arrl.net (Larry Honaker)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 17:42:34 -0400
Subject: 3G iPad
In-Reply-To: <E717F909-57E6-4415-B36F-8BAC4A0F6270@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <E717F909-57E6-4415-B36F-8BAC4A0F6270@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <80E0EF8A-F658-4C0C-B60A-9B45DA793A21@arrl.net>

Hi Gordon,

I am located in Columbus, Ohio and I did get the 3G iPad.

I have the AT&T account which costs me $14.95 per month. I thought that might get me started until I really learn my way around the iPad.

Hope this helps.

 my 
Larry Honaker
kc8pdx at arrl.net
LHonaker at insight.rr.com
lwhonaker at gmail.com

skype: doublezero2369

On Jun 4, 2010, at 1:53 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> Just read this in a book.  It's so short, it isn't worth posting a link too, even assuming there was one.  But it isn't generally true, as I've already discovered:
> 
> There are some cons to the 3G I Pad:
> Higher cost: You'll pay $130 more for the I Pad itself, and using the 3G connection requires a paid data plan. In the United States, AT&T offers two I Pad data plans : one costs $14.99 a month for up to 250 MB of data (upstream and downstream combined), and the other costs $29.99 per month for unlimited data use. You can monitor your usage and switch plans easily whenever you want? there's no long-term contract. Rates for data plans in other countries vary, but are generally more expensive.
> 
> Not here!  It is only going to cost me ?15.00 a month for 3GB throughput.  So that's considerably lower, I think, in terms of both US Dollars and throughput to that quotation.  I'd be interested if anybody else in the US has subscribe too or looked at this to see if that price quotation is valid.
> 
> Gordon
> 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Fri Jun  4 22:50:54 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 22:50:54 +0100
Subject: Confusion with mv command in Terminal
In-Reply-To: <8488AAEF-CF1F-4E48-BD5B-51895BDA1ADB@mac.com>
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	<A693235D-BEAB-412B-B921-EA372D04B143@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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	<8488AAEF-CF1F-4E48-BD5B-51895BDA1ADB@mac.com>
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Oh cool thank you Esther; I'ill go and check them out:
TC
James 
On 4 Jun 2010, at 21:03, Esther wrote:

> Hi James,
> 
> I should have mentioned that I had examples of using "mv" to both copy and rename interleaved after an excerpt of Gordon's post, just in case you missed that part of my message.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Jun 4, 2010, at 09:40, James & Nash wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Esther, I'll have to be more aware of my use of wildcards. Obviously a misunderstanding on my part.
>> 
>> TC
>> James
>> On 4 Jun 2010, at 17:51, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi James and Gordon,
>>> 
>>> The problem with the command James used is his inclusion of a wild card character (the asterisk) in the file name that is enclosed by the quotation marks.  His example is:
>>> 
>>> mv "System*.mp3" /Users/lnt2009/Podcasting/"Terminal Basics/01 Looking Around.mp3"
>>> 
>>> This means that the first argument in the "mv" command is a file with mp3 extension that actually has an asterisk at the end of its name (e.g., "System*"). The easy way to check whether this is a legitimate file is to try listing the file as written -- leave out the second argument in the command, and change "mv" to "ls":
>>> 
>>> ls "System*.mp3"
>>> 
>>> The same error message about file not found should show up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2010, at 05:01, Gordon Smith wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I'm not an expert in the Terminal but it looks right.  That said, I'm not sure whether you can actually copy and rename in the same command line.  I could be wrong about that, but if you can it's news to me.
>>>> 
>>> I weighing in here late, but yes, you can copy and rename in the same command line using regular expressions. Here's an example of a compact way to copy "file1" to "file2":
>>> cp file{1,2}
>>> I put left and right braces around the part of the name I want to change, and this is equivalent to:
>>> cp file1 file2
>>> Normally, spaces and commas act as delimiters, indicating the end of an argument, so if I want to include a space in the file name, I need to include a backslash before the space.  The backslash acts as the escape character, and tells the system in this instance to treat the space as just another character in the name:
>>> cp file{1,\ 2}
>>> This is equivalent to:
>>> cp file1 "file 2"
>>> I copied "file1" to a second file that had a space in its name.  You can also rename files the same way by changing the "cp" to "mv" in the above examples.  The backslash character is also used when you want to use wildcards in file names.  I think James didn't really intend to use a wild card in his command -- otherwise every mp3 file with a name beginning with "System" would, successively, have been moved to "01 Looking Around.mp3" in his specified directory.  In other words, if there was more than one mp3 file with a name starting with "System" he would have problems.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
> 
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From moriond at mac.com  Fri Jun  4 22:21:58 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 11:21:58 -1000
Subject: Ibis Reader for ePub books on the iPhone, iPod Touch,
	and iPad [was Re: ePub books]
In-Reply-To: <765F8D11-1D7D-4753-BB84-852DB230C280@gmail.com>
References: <13B0E5A8-72F4-4AD3-8545-6F70104A800D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<765F8D11-1D7D-4753-BB84-852DB230C280@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BCD9836A-C8D8-481B-AE79-FC7E253BEE34@mac.com>

Hi Gordon,

Stanza Desktop does work on a Mac, and can be used to transform  
between formats of DRM-free audio books, but I don't use it as a  
reader -- only as one way to upload ebooks to try on the Stanza app.   
If you want to try a reader for DRM-free ePub books that I've gotten  
to work on my iPod touch, then take a look at Ibis Reader. It has some  
quirky behavior, but is usable with work-arounds. I'll excerpt the  
description from Wired's Gadget Lab article by Charlie Sorrel, "Ibis  
Reader for iPhone: A Web App That Thinks It's a Native App":
<http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/02/ibis-reader-for-iphone-a-web-app-that-thinks-its-a-native-app/ 
 >
<begin excerpt>

Ibis reader is an e-book reading application that does everything that  
you?d expect an iPhone e-reader to do, with one big difference: It  
doesn?t come from the App Store. The app runs on any iPhone or iPod  
Touch and offers full offline access to your library of books, and is  
as fast and responsive as a native iPhone application. It manages this  
through the magic of HTML5, which is supported by Mobile Safari and -  
crucially - offers offline storage for web-sites.

To install Ibis you navigate to the page in Safari. You will be asked  
if you will grant the site 50MB of storage space. After agreeing, you  
hit the ?+? button and add the app to the home-screen. Now, when  
you hit that button, you are launched directly into Ibis, not just a  
tab in Safari, and because it stores both itself and your downloaded  
books locally, it?ll even work with an iPod Touch out of Wi-Fi range.

The controls are similar to Stanza or Kindle for iPhone: tap either  
side of the screen to flip pages and touch the center to access more  
settings. You can browse for public domain books from Feedbooks from  
within the app, and even add books from the URL of your choice.  
Anything downloaded is stored for you in a local library, and if you  
opt to sign up for an Ibis account, you can read, fully synced, across  
multiple platforms.

Like Stanza and Apple?s upcoming iPad app, iBooks, Ibis uses the ePub  
standard format, and you can even upload these files to your account  
from your desktop web browser, from where they will automatically  
appear on your mobile device. And because Android uses Webkit for its  
browser, it too can install and use the app offline.

I have been playing around with Ibis for a little while and it really  
does behave like a local application, although sometimes it is not  
quite as fast when flipping between different sections. In fact,  
there?s only one thing that really gives it away: scrolling is a lot  
slower. Whereas in a native app you can ?throw? a page and it  
speedily scrolls up or down, the ?elastic? holding the pages of web  
apps is a lot stronger. It?s not just Ibis. This is a problem with  
all non-native applications on the iPhone.

As a full-featured e-reader, Ibis is surprisingly good. As a proof-of- 
concept for non-approved, non-App Store applications, it is straight- 
up amazing.

<end excerpt>

The VoiceOver setup is straightforward on the iPod Touch.
1. The web site to visit is:
<ibisreader.com>
If you visit this site from an iPhone or iPod Touch, the link to  
install comes up immediately.  On an iPad, there will be a link to a  
version that is optimized for the iPad. In both cases, the "+" button  
is what VoiceOver reads out as the "Utilities" button in Safari.  This  
is at the bottom center of the screen on the iPhone, and along the top  
menu bar on the iPad.  The iPad-specific installation is a bit  
confusing because there is a graphic that is an arrow pointing to the  
button (that you won't be able to use), as well as the fact that  
VoiceOver announces the button as "Utilities" instead of "+".  Just  
ignore this part of the instructions, find the "Utilities" button, and  
double tap the "Add to Home Screen" button.

2. When you reach the account page you can create your account by  
simply typing in an email address and password into the text fields.  
There are buttons just above the virtual keyboard for "previous",  
"next", "autofill", and "done" that you can use to move focus to the  
next text field (e.g., type in your email address, then double tap the  
"next" button above the virtual keyboard to move to the password  
field, and either double tap the "done" button to dismiss the keyboard  
and access the page to double tap the "OK" button, or double tap the  
"Go" button at the bottom right of the keyboard). Alternatively, you  
can just double tap the text field for password and input -- the  
"next", "previous", and "done" buttons are easier to use on the iPad  
to move focus to fields. Using the "Go" button saves you having to  
double tap the "OK" button on the field -- login is immediate.

3. The top buttons on the home page are "My Books", "Get Books", and  
"Sign In/Out". At present "Get Books" points to various feedbooks  
links. There's also an "Add book (download from URL)" button. Some  
eBook publishers, like O'Reilly, have links on their pages that allow  
you to download your eBook into an Ibis Reader account.  If you access  
the "O'Reilly Ebooks" link in the Stanza app under "Bookstores", and  
go to "My oreilly.com Bookshelf", and select your book, if ePub is one  
of the available formats, there will be both a "Download to Stanza"  
link and a "Read in Ibis Reader" link at the bottom of the page.  
Double tapping the "Read in Ibis Reader" link will download the book  
to your Ibis Reader account in the "Cloud".

You can also buy books directly from the oreilly.com ebook web page:
<http://oreilly.com/ebooks/>
You have to create an account (so that you can access your purchases  
from the account page).  When you make a purchase your receipt will  
point you to two web pages.

O'Reilly's electronic media page to download files to your computer  
is: <https://members.oreilly.com/account/emedia>
Their Mobile electronic media page to get downloads into the Stanza  
app, or Ibis reader is: <https://members.oreilly.com/mobile/account/emedia 
 >
These steps load your eBook to your Ibis account in the "cloud".  You  
can transfer books you want to currently read from your cloud account  
to Ibis on your iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad.

4. The process of actually downloading the book into your local reader  
(i.e., when you double tap the "Ibis Reader" app on your screen,  
double tap "My Books", double tap the "My Online Bookshelf" link, then  
double tap one of the listed books listed and double tap "My Books"  
again) seems to take a while under wireless transfer (a few minutes),  
and there aren't progress indicators.  Warning: this is much slower on  
the iPod Touch (and I assume, the iPhone) than it is on the iPad.   
I've read that iPad downloads are 7 times faster than on the iPhone.   
Your device, if you're running VoiceOver, will feel a bit sluggish  
afterwards.  I restarted my iPod Touch  to be on the safe side,  
although that wasn't necessary at all on the iPad.

5. The easy way to access the book is through the "Book Info" link,  
which takes you to a page that gives a brief description of the book,  
then lists the table of contents links.  (This way you don't have to  
start reading at a graphic cover that is unresponsive.)  There are  
also controls to let you delete the book if you swipe to the bottom of  
the page.

6. You can use a two finger flick down to start reading. Similarly,  
you can use a two-finger tap to stop reading, and a two-finger tap to  
resume reading from that point again.  If you need to bring up the  
controls to navigate back to the table of contents, double tap the  
center of the screen.  You'll get a summary of your location in the  
book, with the title and page number, e.g "The Geek Atlas Page 2 of 5  
into "49. Greenwich, London, England" 37% into the book." The top  
buttons should also appear: "Home", "Book Info", and "Settings".   
You'll also hear the links for "Bookmark" at the upper right, just  
below "Settings", "Previous" at the center left edge, and "Next" at  
the center right edge.  If you have difficulty bringing up this  
screen, toggle VoiceOver off, touch the center of the screen, and  
toggle it on again.  This also works if you have to advance pages,  
because Ibis stops reading at the end of the chapter.  With VoiceOver  
toggled off you can tap the right side of the page to advance.

7. What's weird: when you do your two finger flick down, VoiceOver  
will keep reading through the chapter, but the first page won't  
update.  I can get the page to advance by double tapping the center of  
the screen to bring up the menu with "Previous" and "Next" at the left  
and right.  If I double tap and hold on the "Next" button or the  
"Previous" button so that you hear the burbly noise for the pass  
through gesture, or simply double tap hard on the button, I can then  
double tap any where on the screen and get the previous or next page,  
and each double tap advances or reverses the page by one step.  
However, as soon as I touch a section of the screen to read the text  
(and verify that I've moved ahead or back however many pages I've  
tapped), the focus is removed from the previous or next button. Also,  
if you do a two finger flick down, you'll continue to read from the  
present page onward, but if you do a two finger flick up, your reading  
will start at the beginning of the chapter.  Toggling VoiceOver off  
and tapping the right side of the page to advance (or go back) also  
works.

8. To bookmark a page, toggle VoiceOver off and touch the upper right  
corner of the page, then toggle VoiceOver on again.  To remove a  
bookmark from a page, toggle VoiceOver off and touch the upper right  
corner, then toggle VoiceOver on again.  Bookmarks are stored as links  
on the "Book Info" page, just after the Table of Contents link entries  
and above the "Continue Reading" link that lets you resume where you  
left off, and above the "Delete" option. Just swipe to get down to it.

Final thoughts.  Ibis Reader only works for DRM-free eBooks, but there  
are an increasing number of sites that provide books in this format.  
You can also use tools such as Stanza Desktop and Calibre to convert  
other DRM-free book formats into ePub (with different degrees of  
success). The main present advantage of Ibis Reader over using iBooks  
is that it's possible to easily upload from other sources instead of  
adding files to the iTunes library and syncing through USB.  However,  
this is still less flexible than Stanza -- which is perfectly  
accessible in its catalog and upload sources.  I've had varying  
degrees of success with Stanza on the iPad, and some of it seems to  
depend on the details of the ebook source file and what the background  
load is.  On ebooks with short chapters, Stanza reads fine.  If I  
start up the iPad from scratch, Stanza generally reads through.  On  
some occasions on the iPad, it just stops updating past the first  
page.  Unlike Ibis Reader (which keeps reading although the first page  
doesn't update), Stanza may stop reading if can't update.  It does  
work on the iPad, but not as well as iBooks, and I can't make it  
navigate continuously at all past the current page on the iPod Touch  
with VoiceOver on.  Maybe this will change with OS 4.0

In the meantime, you might want to try Ibis Reader on the iPhone or  
iPod Touch and report your experience.

Cheers,

Esther
On Jun 4, 2010, at 09:42, James & Nash wrote:

> Hi Gordon,
>
> Have you tried Stanza? You can get it from:
> http://www.lexcycle.com/download-macintosh
>
> TC
> James
> On 4 Jun 2010, at 20:13, Gordon Smith wrote:
>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Is there a way to play these on the Mac, or is it a case of biting  
>> my nails down to the flesh until my iPad gets found/replaced/ 
>> whatevered?
>>
>> Gordon
>>


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sat Jun  5 01:13:25 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:13:25 +1000
Subject: More Ipad podcast reviews for the blind
Message-ID: <BD3ADD5F-5A36-4B6D-92CF-202C1B500013@internode.on.net>

Hi!

For those who are interested in reading up on the Ipad, what it has to offer and who want a variety of opinions so they can make an informed decision then here's another place where you'll find plenty of information and a couple of podcasts on the subject.

http://www.serotalk.com


Dane Trethowan
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From tsiegel at softcon.us  Sat Jun  5 02:40:57 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 20:40:57 -0500
Subject: ePub books
In-Reply-To: <13B0E5A8-72F4-4AD3-8545-6F70104A800D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <13B0E5A8-72F4-4AD3-8545-6F70104A800D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <98947515-A8B0-45F1-8007-E3CFD3065CDF@softcon.us>

Books in epub format, are simply renamed zip files.
If you want to read (or listen to them if that's supported) on the  
mac, simply rename them from an epub extension to a zip extension, and  
extract them as normal.
Assuming they're text versions of the books, you'll then get html  
files which you can then navigate with normal web browser usage.
I've not tried any epub volumes with audio, so don't know how those  
are laid out.
I have an application I really should get back to working on that will  
allow you to upload epub books to my web site, then read them online  
using an opensource epub reader I found at sourceforge.
It needs some work, but once I fix a few broken things dealing with  
uploads, and hack the code to behave a little better for vo users,  
I'll post it for anyone to use should they so desire.



On Jun 4, 2010, at 2:13 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Is there a way to play these on the Mac, or is it a case of biting  
> my nails down to the flesh until my iPad gets found/replaced/ 
> whatevered?
>
> Gordon
>
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 07:57:01 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 07:57:01 +0100
Subject: ePub books
In-Reply-To: <765F8D11-1D7D-4753-BB84-852DB230C280@gmail.com>
References: <13B0E5A8-72F4-4AD3-8545-6F70104A800D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<765F8D11-1D7D-4753-BB84-852DB230C280@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BCB29D76-B4D6-4F67-8262-A4A71958FF8C@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello James

On 4 Jun 2010, at 20:42, James & Nash wrote:

? Have you tried Stanza? You can get it from:
http://www.lexcycle.com/download-macintosh

He hasn't, wasn't aware of it. I'll go and get it so he can try it. Thank you.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 08:05:35 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:05:35 +0100
Subject: 3G iPad
In-Reply-To: <80E0EF8A-F658-4C0C-B60A-9B45DA793A21@arrl.net>
References: <E717F909-57E6-4415-B36F-8BAC4A0F6270@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<80E0EF8A-F658-4C0C-B60A-9B45DA793A21@arrl.net>
Message-ID: <10AD2DCE-F5BA-4A07-90D6-45F43152A774@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Larry

On 4 Jun 2010, at 22:42, Larry Honaker wrote:

? I am located in Columbus, Ohio and I did get the 3G iPad.

Your information conforms to what he read, yes. That only gives you 500MB per month though, including both up and down stream and that was his point I think.

For just ?15 Sterling a month, we will get 3GB and it's possible we could find a cheaper plan with similar capacity elsewhere as well.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 08:11:26 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:11:26 +0100
Subject: Ibis Reader for ePub books on the iPhone, iPod Touch,
	and iPad [was Re: ePub books]
In-Reply-To: <BCD9836A-C8D8-481B-AE79-FC7E253BEE34@mac.com>
References: <13B0E5A8-72F4-4AD3-8545-6F70104A800D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<765F8D11-1D7D-4753-BB84-852DB230C280@gmail.com>
	<BCD9836A-C8D8-481B-AE79-FC7E253BEE34@mac.com>
Message-ID: <130ADACB-61E0-4982-AB2D-3B3335C66654@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Esther

On 4 Jun 2010, at 22:21, Esther wrote:

? Stanza Desktop does work on a Mac, and can be used to transform between formats of DRM-free audio books, but I don't use it as a reader -- only as one way to upload ebooks to try on the Stanza app.  If you want to try a reader for DRM-free ePub books that I've gotten to work on my iPod touch, then take a look at Ibis Reader. It has some quirky behavior, but is usable with work-arounds. I'll excerpt the description from Wired's Gadget Lab article by Charlie Sorrel, "Ibis Reader for iPhone: A Web App That Thinks It's a Native App":
<http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/02/ibis-reader-for-iphone-a-web-app-that-thinks-its-a-native-app/>

Thanks for this information. What he wants is a Mac-based reader as the iPad will, if we're lucky, be here soon.

If UPS get their proverbial finger out, I mean. But again thank you; this information is useful.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 08:16:48 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:16:48 +0100
Subject: ePub books
In-Reply-To: <98947515-A8B0-45F1-8007-E3CFD3065CDF@softcon.us>
References: <13B0E5A8-72F4-4AD3-8545-6F70104A800D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<98947515-A8B0-45F1-8007-E3CFD3065CDF@softcon.us>
Message-ID: <E47DCBCE-F96E-4FBD-9A7C-3063C698CBC6@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Travis

On 5 Jun 2010, at 02:40, Travis Siegel wrote:

? Books in epub format, are simply renamed zip files.
If you want to read (or listen to them if that's supported) on the mac, simply rename them from an epub extension to a zip extension, and extract them as normal.
Assuming they're text versions of the books, you'll then get html files which you can then navigate with normal web browser usage.
I've not tried any epub volumes with audio, so don't know how those are laid out.

Thank you for this information; it's invaluable.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 08:22:26 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:22:26 +0100
Subject: Audio epub books
Message-ID: <5DB6A3FD-D690-4037-AD4A-ECBE39F9E6B0@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

I just checked and audio epub books have a file extension of .mobi when uncompressed. I tried renaming it to an mp4, aac, mp3 and aiff but nothing would play the thing.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 08:54:48 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 08:54:48 +0100
Subject: Stanza Desktop
Message-ID: <56810F18-55D6-492B-A3D5-3F88C4B2F1C5@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

I don't think I've seen any other programme like this in the relatively short time I have been using computers.

First thing I noticed when I opened the Stanza desktop for Mac virtual disk was that inside it was a folder that contained a .ds_store file which are usually invisible.

When I actually ran the programme, I browsed to a file and noticed to my surprise that all of the invisible files and directories on our hard drive were visible also.

So Stanza does not seem to care about the Finder configuration. I wonder if that couldn't be dangerous for some users.

Lynne



From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Sat Jun  5 09:20:06 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:20:06 +0100
Subject: Stanza Desktop
In-Reply-To: <56810F18-55D6-492B-A3D5-3F88C4B2F1C5@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <56810F18-55D6-492B-A3D5-3F88C4B2F1C5@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8D82B3BD-1839-4175-9310-7FB29240E01A@gmail.com>

Hello Lynne,
On 5 Jun 2010, at 08:54, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> I don't think I've seen any other programme like this in the relatively short time I have been using computers.
> 
> First thing I noticed when I opened the Stanza desktop for Mac virtual disk was that inside it was a folder that contained a .ds_store file which are usually invisible.
> 
> When I actually ran the programme, I browsed to a file and noticed to my surprise that all of the invisible files and directories on our hard drive were visible also.
> 
> So Stanza does not seem to care about the Finder configuration. I wonder if that couldn't be dangerous for some users.

I did not notice this when I installed Stanza, how interesting. I'm not trying to  come across as a know-it-all, but have you checked to see that the "Show all file name extensions" option is left unchecked in Finder Preferences. You'll find this option under the "Advanced" button in the toolbar. I wonder too if there has been some kind of Preferences dump which I have had happen with Voice Over in the past. When Voice Over has done this, I have had to reset all my VO preferences.

HTHTC
James 

> Hello everybody
> 
> I don't think I've seen any other programme like this in the relatively short time I have been using computers.
> 
> First thing I noticed when I opened the Stanza desktop for Mac virtual disk was that inside it was a folder that contained a .ds_store file which are usually invisible.
> 
> When I actually ran the programme, I browsed to a file and noticed to my surprise that all of the invisible files and directories on our hard drive were visible also.
> 
> So Stanza does not seem to care about the Finder configuration. I wonder if that couldn't be dangerous for some users.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 10:57:31 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:57:31 +0100
Subject: Stanza Desktop
In-Reply-To: <8D82B3BD-1839-4175-9310-7FB29240E01A@gmail.com>
References: <56810F18-55D6-492B-A3D5-3F88C4B2F1C5@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<8D82B3BD-1839-4175-9310-7FB29240E01A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <273B4B99-7AB6-49EC-A893-D0C74CE5290F@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello James

On 5 Jun 2010, at 09:20, James & Nash wrote:

? I did not notice this when I installed Stanza, how interesting. I'm not trying to  come across as a know-it-all, but have you checked to see that the "Show all file name extensions" option is left unchecked in Finder Preferences. You'll find this option under the "Advanced" button in the toolbar. I wonder too if there has been some kind of Preferences dump which I have had happen with Voice Over in the past. When Voice Over has done this, I have had to reset all my VO preferences.

We have file extensions visible, but not invisible files. That's a different thing I believe. I can confirm that:

1. Standa Desktop's virtual disk image contains another disk image with a png file and a .ds_store file in it.  That we could not possibly have put there because you cannot write to a mounted virtual volume like that.

2.  In the Finder, browsing all other volumes and directories, I am not seeing the invisible files. Only in the Standa Desktop image.

So I don't think it's a preference setting this time.

That said, I most certainly don't want to come across as a know-iot-all. I know relatively little actually. :)

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 10:58:05 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 10:58:05 +0100
Subject: Stanza Desktop
In-Reply-To: <273B4B99-7AB6-49EC-A893-D0C74CE5290F@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <56810F18-55D6-492B-A3D5-3F88C4B2F1C5@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<8D82B3BD-1839-4175-9310-7FB29240E01A@gmail.com>
	<273B4B99-7AB6-49EC-A893-D0C74CE5290F@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A272B140-2B9E-426E-B1C1-3151981F8815@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Oopse! Sorry, I sent that using Gordon's account.

Lynne

On 5 Jun 2010, at 10:57, Gordon Smith wrote:

Hello James

On 5 Jun 2010, at 09:20, James & Nash wrote:

? I did not notice this when I installed Stanza, how interesting. I'm not trying to  come across as a know-it-all, but have you checked to see that the "Show all file name extensions" option is left unchecked in Finder Preferences. You'll find this option under the "Advanced" button in the toolbar. I wonder too if there has been some kind of Preferences dump which I have had happen with Voice Over in the past. When Voice Over has done this, I have had to reset all my VO preferences.

We have file extensions visible, but not invisible files. That's a different thing I believe. I can confirm that:

1. Standa Desktop's virtual disk image contains another disk image with a png file and a .ds_store file in it.  That we could not possibly have put there because you cannot write to a mounted virtual volume like that.

2.  In the Finder, browsing all other volumes and directories, I am not seeing the invisible files. Only in the Standa Desktop image.

So I don't think it's a preference setting this time.

That said, I most certainly don't want to come across as a know-iot-all. I know relatively little actually. :)

Lynne

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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Sat Jun  5 11:25:42 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 11:25:42 +0100
Subject: Stanza Desktop
In-Reply-To: <273B4B99-7AB6-49EC-A893-D0C74CE5290F@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <56810F18-55D6-492B-A3D5-3F88C4B2F1C5@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<8D82B3BD-1839-4175-9310-7FB29240E01A@gmail.com>
	<273B4B99-7AB6-49EC-A893-D0C74CE5290F@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <DEF41766-4CE1-43E4-85ED-54859382F04D@gmail.com>

Hi Lynne,
On 5 Jun 2010, at 10:57, Gordon Smith wrote:
> That said, I most certainly don't want to come across as a know-iot-all. I know relatively little actually. :)

You know far more than I do. :) I would be interested to hear how you get on in sloving this mystery. Would you share with the list please?

TC
James 
> Hello James
> 
> On 5 Jun 2010, at 09:20, James & Nash wrote:
> 
> ? I did not notice this when I installed Stanza, how interesting. I'm not trying to  come across as a know-it-all, but have you checked to see that the "Show all file name extensions" option is left unchecked in Finder Preferences. You'll find this option under the "Advanced" button in the toolbar. I wonder too if there has been some kind of Preferences dump which I have had happen with Voice Over in the past. When Voice Over has done this, I have had to reset all my VO preferences.
> 
> We have file extensions visible, but not invisible files. That's a different thing I believe. I can confirm that:
> 
> 1. Standa Desktop's virtual disk image contains another disk image with a png file and a .ds_store file in it.  That we could not possibly have put there because you cannot write to a mounted virtual volume like that.
> 
> 2.  In the Finder, browsing all other volumes and directories, I am not seeing the invisible files. Only in the Standa Desktop image.
> 
> So I don't think it's a preference setting this time.
> 
> That said, I most certainly don't want to come across as a know-iot-all. I know relatively little actually. :)
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 12:26:15 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:26:15 +0100
Subject: Stanza Desktop
In-Reply-To: <DEF41766-4CE1-43E4-85ED-54859382F04D@gmail.com>
References: <56810F18-55D6-492B-A3D5-3F88C4B2F1C5@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<8D82B3BD-1839-4175-9310-7FB29240E01A@gmail.com>
	<273B4B99-7AB6-49EC-A893-D0C74CE5290F@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<DEF41766-4CE1-43E4-85ED-54859382F04D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E30DFB07-99BF-4C6D-A1D8-AE19613D8321@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello James

On 5 Jun 2010, at 11:25, James & Nash wrote:

? You know far more than I do. :) I would be interested to hear how you get on in sloving this mystery. Would you share with the list please?

No! No! Definitely Not! I'm a relative novice. All I know is what I've learned from my other half. I first started using the mac in 2007, just before Christmas. Before then I was a very nervous Windows point & click person and that was it. But now I hate EWindows and have equipped my office at work with Mac hardware.

As to the mystery, there isn't one. I tried this on another machine which also has invisible files hidden and got the same results. So it's the way they've put the thing together. Point being here James that we cannot have created the .ds_store file as it's in a read-only volume. I can make the archive available for you to download if you like and you can open it your end and see what you get?

Lynne


From tsiegel at softcon.us  Sat Jun  5 15:42:01 2010
From: tsiegel at softcon.us (Travis Siegel)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 09:42:01 -0500
Subject: Audio epub books
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.mobi is for the mobi pocket reader.
As far as I know, there isn't a mac application that can read this  
format.
Mobi pocket format is used for drm encrypted ebooks, and me  
personally, I refuse to purchase any electronic book with encryption  
on it, so my ebook colllection isn't as large as it might otherwise  
be, though I do have some palm doc formatted books, because the palm  
reader used to be 100 percent accessible under windows, until they did  
an upgrade, and broke a lot of the screen reader compatibility. <sigh>
So, now I have a hundred or so books I can't currently read on any  
device as a result.
The mobi pocket reader was accessible (again on windows) for a short  
period of time, but I don't know if this was a result of the reader,  
or the screen reader version I was using at the time, however, since I  
checked last, the 1 mobipocket book I have wasn't usable on any  
platform I tried the mobi pocket reader on, so there it is.
If stanza can read the format, it may be worth looking into, but I  
doubt it can, since mobi is a proprietary format that hasn't (as far  
as I know) given it's specs to any other company.
One of these days, publishers will get the point that ebook readers  
aren't thieves, and just want to read their books on whatever device  
happens to be at hand, which can't be done with all these proprietary  
formats that are out there.
Sure, it protects the book from being copied, but how many copies do  
they *not* sell as a result of the stupid encrypted content.


On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:22 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
>
> I just checked and audio epub books have a file extension of .mobi  
> when uncompressed. I tried renaming it to an mp4, aac, mp3 and aiff  
> but nothing would play the thing.
>
> Lynne
>
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 16:04:22 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:04:22 +0100
Subject: Audio epub books
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Hi Travis

Standa can indeed red .mobi format.  I will comment more later, but I'm using it right now.

On 5 Jun 2010, at 15:42, Travis Siegel wrote:

.mobi is for the mobi pocket reader.
As far as I know, there isn't a mac application that can read this format.
Mobi pocket format is used for drm encrypted ebooks, and me personally, I refuse to purchase any electronic book with encryption on it, so my ebook colllection isn't as large as it might otherwise be, though I do have some palm doc formatted books, because the palm reader used to be 100 percent accessible under windows, until they did an upgrade, and broke a lot of the screen reader compatibility. <sigh>
So, now I have a hundred or so books I can't currently read on any device as a result.
The mobi pocket reader was accessible (again on windows) for a short period of time, but I don't know if this was a result of the reader, or the screen reader version I was using at the time, however, since I checked last, the 1 mobipocket book I have wasn't usable on any platform I tried the mobi pocket reader on, so there it is.
If stanza can read the format, it may be worth looking into, but I doubt it can, since mobi is a proprietary format that hasn't (as far as I know) given it's specs to any other company.
One of these days, publishers will get the point that ebook readers aren't thieves, and just want to read their books on whatever device happens to be at hand, which can't be done with all these proprietary formats that are out there.
Sure, it protects the book from being copied, but how many copies do they *not* sell as a result of the stupid encrypted content.


On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:22 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> I just checked and audio epub books have a file extension of .mobi when uncompressed. I tried renaming it to an mp4, aac, mp3 and aiff but nothing would play the thing.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From moriond at mac.com  Sat Jun  5 16:20:59 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 05:20:59 -1000
Subject: FiRe -- Field Recorder app on sale for $5.99 through June 10,
	2010 [was Re: recording app for my iphone]
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Hi Krister, Damon, and Others,

> Gary wrote:
>> there is a free app that Blue microphone makess for the Mikey. it  
>> is BlueFiRe. Pro field recorder is makde by the same company, but  
>> costs $9.00 US. you can search for it in the Itunes store. it is  
>> mostly accessible.

and Krister asked:

> Is the professional recorder accessible? What does and doesn't work?
> /Krister
>

The pro version of the free Blue FiRe app has just gone on sale ($5.99  
down from $9.99) through to June 10 in celebration of SoundCloud's  
millionth user and FiRe's anniversary as the first app to integrate  
professional recording with uploading to SoundCloud.  (Having this  
sale during the week of the Worldwide Developers Conference probably  
also doesn't hurt.) These apps are available internationally from the  
iTunes App Store.

? Blue FiRe (free) by Blue Microphones:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/blue-fire/id336713577?mt=8
? FiRe -- Field Recorder ($5.99 now through June 10, 2010; normally  
$9.99) by Audiofile Engineering:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fire-field-recorder/id309378684?mt=8

I wrote a bit about the Blue FiRe and FiRe apps in this post that was  
archived to macvisionaries vimacaudio lists:
<http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg19089.html 
 >
(iPhone Recording Apps for Voice and Music [was Re: Voice Memos App])

That is a long post, and the first half covers Voice memos and Voxie  
Pro Recorder, while the second half mentions Blue FiRe and the Amazing  
Slow Downer, and gives (at the end) links to the apps, reviews of  
FiRe, and where to order the Blue Mikey 2.

The quick answer to Krister's question about what works is that you  
should try the free Blue FiRe app yourself and try placing and working  
with markers, because that's where a lot of the capabilities and also  
potential accessibility issues arise. The free app comes with a  
QuickStart recording that explains the layout of the main screen and  
how to use the app.  (There's no QuickStart explanation with the pro  
version, so you should really get the free version first.) For a long  
answer to what's changed, and some of the features of the pro version  
of the app, read below. For those who want to skip directly to online  
information sources, check out Audiofile Engineering's support web  
pages and forum, including the detailed FiRe Knowlege Book at:
<http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/support/helpdesk/index.php?pg=kb.book&id=40 
 >

The Pro version, FiRe, made a few simple changes and additions that  
made placing and working with markers easier: instead of having to tap  
on a "handle" at the base of the playhead to set markers you can now  
tap anywhere around the center of the transport, above the point  
midway between the record and stop buttons, to have your marker  
register.  (It was possible to do before by aiming just between and  
slightly above the two buttons, but now it's much easier to do with  
VoiceOver toggled off, since aiming anywhere in a strip along the  
central vertical axis works to place markers.)  There's a waveform  
range finder strip that runs just below the waveform and above the  
record and stop buttons that can be used for fast navigation within  
the recording if you swipe horizontally left or right (with VoiceOver  
off).  This is basically the region of the "handle" that you had to  
aim for to tap your markers in the free, Blue FiRe version of the app,  
but extended into a horizontal strip.  You can easily get control of  
the position marker for the waveform range finder by stopping your  
recording at the end, and then double tapping the at the right side of  
center (which will mean that you're tapping at the right edge of the  
central waveform strip).  That moves the position marker to the right  
edge of the waveform range strip, and if you move your finger down to  
the waveform range strip after doing your double tap to the right of  
center, you can slide from the right edge of the strip to quickly  
change the current playback position anywhere from the start (left  
edge) to the end (right edge) of the recording.  If you want to check  
the exact time you've moved to, toggle VoiceOver back on and read the  
time at the top of the screen.  Since you can also navigate through to  
the next or previous marker near the current playhead time by double  
tapping to the right or left of the central transport (and since you  
can also set your recording to insert markers at fixed intervals if  
you listened to the directions in the QuickStart for the free app),  
you get a fair amount of precision.  It's also possible to double tap  
the left edge of the screen and then pick up the position marker for  
the waveform range strip at the left edge of the strip and position  
yourself by sliding to the right.

There are a few changes to the simple recording interface in the pro  
version, FiRe: two of the five buttons at the bottom of the screen  
have been renamed.  They are:
1. Transport (the main working screen)
2. Info (list of recordings, their length, audio properties, creation  
and modification dates, and size; you also edit the names here and  
optionally lock recordings that you don't want to modify or record over)
3. Properties ("Markers" in the free version; in addition to listing  
markers that you can label by name as well as time, the "Properties"  
include the ability to supply metadata -- author, artist. composer,  
title, take, comments, etc. -- either by referencing all fields, or by  
selecting metadata entries appropriate to the kind of recording or  
upload destination -- e.g."Broadcast WAVE", "Ogg Vorbis", "iXML",  
"SoundCloud")
4. Settings (Pro version is set up under categories of Input,  
Transport, Recording, and Playback; free version gives you a subset of  
these on a single screen, like recording quality, time unit for  
automatic marker placement, recording thresholds.)
5. Share ("FTP" in the free version; Pro version gives you additional  
options for SoundCloud upload, and support for compressed formats like  
AAC, Podcast, Apple Lossless, FLAC, and Ogg Vorbis; this screen also  
tells you how much space is left available on your device)

The pro version also has an "Input Gain" button at the top right of  
the main (Transport) screen.  When you double tap this button, the  
region of the "Record" and "Stop" buttons (above the 5 screen  
selection buttons at the bottom, and below the central waveform  
region) is overlaid with an input gain slider (0 to +24 dB) that you  
can adjust by swiping up or down.  Or, if you are starting from 0, you  
can do a double tap and hold pass through gesture at the left edge of  
the slider, and swipe right before lifting your finger to get finer  
adjustment control.  Double tap the "Input Gain" button at the top  
right again to dismiss the gain control and regain access to the  
"Record" and "Stop" buttons.

There are a lot more options under the different "Settings" button  
menus to explore, and the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad top level menu for  
"Settings > FiRe" and "Settings > Blue FiRe" menus for these apps also  
provides access to this information.  (It may be unlikely that you  
access these menus, at least for the Pro "FiRe" version, from the  
device's main "Settings" menu unless you are using an iPad, due to the  
complexity.)

Finally, I originally started composing this post to answer Ginny's  
question about recording over material with the Voxie Pro Recorder app  
(not possible with that app, but a feature, like overdubbing, that can  
be done with FiRe).  I'll paste in these comments, which describes  
some of the different limitations for apps like Voice Memos and Voxie  
Pro Recorder as well as the recording devices.

Ginnie asked:
>
> Hello. Has anyone been successful editing Voxie recordings?  I  
> attempted
> this by pausing a recording at the point where I'd like to begin  
> recording
> again, but Voxie puts me at the end of the original recording  
> instead.  It
> might not be possible to edit by recording over material...just  
> thought I'd
> check.

Voxie Pro Recorder is designed to append to recording tracks or  
quickly record new tracks on your iPhone or iPod Touch. I would handle  
merging or joining the recorded tracks with programs on my computer  
(e.g., with Amadeus Pro or similar program on a Mac).  If you want an  
iPhone app that can be used to edit over recordings, try the free Blue  
FiRe app from Blue Microphones.  Blue FiRe is a field recorder app  
that's designed for professional music recording with input devices  
that support stereo recording.  Such devices, which include Blue  
Microphones' own Blue Mikey 2 recorder, typically connect to the  
iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad through the dock connector rather than  
through the headphone jack, since the headphone jack only supports  
mono recording.  Blue FiRe can record from either the headphone jack  
or through the dock connector.  The difference between apps like Voxie  
Pro Recorder and the default Voice Memos app on the iPhone or iPod  
Touch and apps like Blue Microphones' Blue FiRe or the FiRe app by  
Audiofile Engineering is that Voxie and the Voice Memos app are  
designed to give you a simple and fast workflow for recording, with  
Voxie in Express Mode letting you start and stop the recording just by  
shaking the iPhone or iPod Touch.

With Blue FiRe and FiRe, music recording and editing is the main  
activity, and the attention is on the details of the recording/ 
playback/editing process, displaying time in tenths or hundredths of  
seconds, inserting markers, setting thresholds for the recording  
level, having the ability to "lock" a recording, and having default  
recording settings that are high bit rate -- as opposed to the 8 kHz  
rate that is the only setting for Voice Memos, that is also the  
recommended setting for simple voice recordings on Voxie.  Similarly,  
because the recordings are expected to encompass pro quality and  
require more space, there's no email option (as in Voxie and Voice  
Memos),  but there's a dedicated file uploading capability.  The "pro"  
version of the Blue FiRe app, "FiRe -- Field Recorder" (currently  
$5.95 for a limited time; usually $9.95) from Audiofile Engineers,  
also supports many other settings such as:
SoundCloud integration
Compressed file creation
Metadata
Input Processing
Overdub
Playthrough
For example, you can play your recording back faster (1.5 times, 1.25  
times) or slower (0.75 times, 0.5 times), optionally retaining pitch.   
You can set this up so that double tapping scrolls you to your next  
marker setting (with VoiceOver toggled off).  You can set up  
processing presets for hiss reduction, rumble reduction, live concerts  
outdoors, bass boost, female voice enhancer, male voice enhancer, etc.

There's a detailed support page for FiRe as well as user forums at the  
main Audiofile Engineering web page.  The Knowledge Base (link  
appended below) contains answers to detailed information on presets,  
unique features compared to other recording program, links to  
information on compatible recording devices, and a host of other items:
<http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/support/helpdesk/index.php?pg=kb.book&id=40 
 >
Ginny, since you have an iPad, it might be worth pointing out that  
people have also successfully used Blue Micophone's Yeti mic (on sale  
at Apple Stores, through Amazon at prices that have bounced around  
from $105 to $140, and other sources) with the iPad's USB Camera kit  
to record.  (The Yeti stands taller than my Macbook, and weighs over a  
pound -- almost as much your iPad.) You can find more info about this  
through Google, or through the links and reviews at the Blue  
Microphone site, e.g. their linked PDF article from AppleTell:
<http://www.bluemic.com/yeti/reviews/Appletell_iPadYeti.pdf>

Hope this answers your questions.  I'm cc'ing this post to a number of  
lists so as not to have to retype a lengthy post, especially for lists  
that don't have easily searchable archives.  Also credits to Scott  
Howell and Dane Trethowan for originally starting this discussion of  
possible apps for professional  music recording on the iPhone back  
around Christmas on the mac-access list.  You now all know who to  
blame for the contents of this post <smile>.

Cheers,

Esther

From moriond at mac.com  Sat Jun  5 16:47:53 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 05:47:53 -1000
Subject: Audio epub books
In-Reply-To: <D7A4B1D2-0DB7-4902-873D-C18F9BD30238@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Hi Travis, Gordon, and Others,

Mobipocket files don't have to have DRM.  The Baen webscription site  
offers that as one of the formats, as does O'Reilly for their multiple  
format ePub books.  Gordon, I've been told that Calibre does a better  
(or more robust) job with some eBook conversion formats.  In general,  
generating ePub from PDF usually has some limitations.  If you want to  
try generating ePub versions from Stanza Desktop, the format you want  
to choose in the "File > Export Book As" menu is "open eBook".

There are good links to description of current eBook readers from the  
epubbooks site I posted about last week:
http://www.epubbooks.com/
(Unexpectedly, this site seems to be down right now.)

The Teleread site is also a good source of information on eBooks,  
formats, and conversions.  Here's a link to one of their articles  
discussing conversions, "The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy  
Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook" by John Schember:
<http://www.teleread.com/2010/01/03/the-abcs-of-format-conversion-for-the-kindle-sony-and-nook-plus-some-calibre-tips/ 
 >

Another good source of information is the Threepress Consulting Blog.   
These are the people who developed Ibis Reader, which is another way  
to read DRM-free ePub books on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch.  
Here's an entry that talks about ePub formatting problems that cause  
difficulties with iTunes reading of eBook files:
<http://blog.threepress.org/2010/04/01/itunes-and-malformed-epub/>

One of the reasons that I like epubbooks.com as a source is that they  
generally do a good job with their free epub book version formats.   
Incidentally, I didn't think the .mobi format had anything to do with  
audio ePub.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

Gordon Smith wrote:

>
> Hi Travis
>
> Standa can indeed red .mobi format.  I will comment more later, but  
> I'm using it right now.
>
> On 5 Jun 2010, at 15:42, Travis Siegel wrote:
>
> .mobi is for the mobi pocket reader.
> As far as I know, there isn't a mac application that can read this  
> format.
> Mobi pocket format is used for drm encrypted ebooks, and me  
> personally, I refuse to purchase any electronic book with encryption  
> on it, so my ebook colllection isn't as large as it might otherwise  
> be, though I do have some palm doc formatted books, because the palm  
> reader used to be 100 percent accessible under windows, until they  
> did an upgrade, and broke a lot of the screen reader compatibility.  
> <sigh>
> So, now I have a hundred or so books I can't currently read on any  
> device as a result.
> The mobi pocket reader was accessible (again on windows) for a short  
> period of time, but I don't know if this was a result of the reader,  
> or the screen reader version I was using at the time, however, since  
> I checked last, the 1 mobipocket book I have wasn't usable on any  
> platform I tried the mobi pocket reader on, so there it is.
> If stanza can read the format, it may be worth looking into, but I  
> doubt it can, since mobi is a proprietary format that hasn't (as far  
> as I know) given it's specs to any other company.
> One of these days, publishers will get the point that ebook readers  
> aren't thieves, and just want to read their books on whatever device  
> happens to be at hand, which can't be done with all these  
> proprietary formats that are out there.
> Sure, it protects the book from being copied, but how many copies do  
> they *not* sell as a result of the stupid encrypted content.
>
>
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:22 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
>
>> Hello everybody
>>
>> I just checked and audio epub books have a file extension of .mobi  
>> when uncompressed. I tried renaming it to an mp4, aac, mp3 and aiff  
>> but nothing would play the thing.
>>
>> Lynne
>>


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 16:49:57 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:49:57 +0100
Subject: VMWare Fusion 3.1 first impressions
Message-ID: <16100D1A-9579-4AB9-BB47-21DCE6A3E49B@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

Last weekend, my better half installed Fusion 3.1 on our Macbook Pro 13-inch.

We have a 160GB HD (I plan to upgrade it to solid state shortly), and 4GB of DVR3 1068 MHZ RAM, with a 2.53 GHZ Core2 Duo.

Our Windows XP virtual machine is configured with 2 virtual processor cores, 3GB of RAM and all updates applied.

Under Fusion 3.1 Windows XP is much more responsive than it was under 3.0.  But we have also added the latest Boot Camp drivers to the virtual machine and I'm convinced that makes a difference.

Quite apart from enabling access to the rest of the Apple hardware which Fusion doesn't support natively, it seems to speed up access to external firewire drives and miscellaneous USB devices, not to mention wireless networking via the virtual network drivers.

So if you're a v3 user of Fusion, I suggest the upgrade.

It does also clean up the interface and fixes, once and for all it seems, the VoiceOver problem where you have to turn VO off to grab keyboard access.

I dislike Windows ... but at least this makes it useable.  Now I might even risk installing OTS DJ again.

Gordon




From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 16:52:10 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:52:10 +0100
Subject: FiRe -- Field Recorder app on sale for $5.99 through June 10,
	2010 [was Re: recording app for my iphone]
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Hi Esther

Did you send this to the right list? <smile>.  I don't recall seeing this thread or these members.

Gordon


On 5 Jun 2010, at 16:20, Esther wrote:

Hi Krister, Damon, and Others,

> Gary wrote:
>> there is a free app that Blue microphone makess for the Mikey. it is BlueFiRe. Pro field recorder is makde by the same company, but costs $9.00 US. you can search for it in the Itunes store. it is mostly accessible.

and Krister asked:

> Is the professional recorder accessible? What does and doesn't work?
> /Krister
> 

The pro version of the free Blue FiRe app has just gone on sale ($5.99 down from $9.99) through to June 10 in celebration of SoundCloud's millionth user and FiRe's anniversary as the first app to integrate professional recording with uploading to SoundCloud.  (Having this sale during the week of the Worldwide Developers Conference probably also doesn't hurt.) These apps are available internationally from the iTunes App Store.

? Blue FiRe (free) by Blue Microphones:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/blue-fire/id336713577?mt=8
? FiRe -- Field Recorder ($5.99 now through June 10, 2010; normally $9.99) by Audiofile Engineering:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fire-field-recorder/id309378684?mt=8

I wrote a bit about the Blue FiRe and FiRe apps in this post that was archived to macvisionaries vimacaudio lists:
<http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg19089.html>
(iPhone Recording Apps for Voice and Music [was Re: Voice Memos App])

That is a long post, and the first half covers Voice memos and Voxie Pro Recorder, while the second half mentions Blue FiRe and the Amazing Slow Downer, and gives (at the end) links to the apps, reviews of FiRe, and where to order the Blue Mikey 2.

The quick answer to Krister's question about what works is that you should try the free Blue FiRe app yourself and try placing and working with markers, because that's where a lot of the capabilities and also potential accessibility issues arise. The free app comes with a QuickStart recording that explains the layout of the main screen and how to use the app.  (There's no QuickStart explanation with the pro version, so you should really get the free version first.) For a long answer to what's changed, and some of the features of the pro version of the app, read below. For those who want to skip directly to online information sources, check out Audiofile Engineering's support web pages and forum, including the detailed FiRe Knowlege Book at:
<http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/support/helpdesk/index.php?pg=kb.book&id=40>

The Pro version, FiRe, made a few simple changes and additions that made placing and working with markers easier: instead of having to tap on a "handle" at the base of the playhead to set markers you can now tap anywhere around the center of the transport, above the point midway between the record and stop buttons, to have your marker register.  (It was possible to do before by aiming just between and slightly above the two buttons, but now it's much easier to do with VoiceOver toggled off, since aiming anywhere in a strip along the central vertical axis works to place markers.)  There's a waveform range finder strip that runs just below the waveform and above the record and stop buttons that can be used for fast navigation within the recording if you swipe horizontally left or right (with VoiceOver off).  This is basically the region of the "handle" that you had to aim for to tap your markers in the free, Blue FiRe version of the app, but extended into a horizontal strip.  You can easily get control of the position marker for the waveform range finder by stopping your recording at the end, and then double tapping the at the right side of center (which will mean that you're tapping at the right edge of the central waveform strip).  That moves the position marker to the right edge of the waveform range strip, and if you move your finger down to the waveform range strip after doing your double tap to the right of center, you can slide from the right edge of the strip to quickly change the current playback position anywhere from the start (left edge) to the end (right edge) of the recording.  If you want to check the exact time you've moved to, toggle VoiceOver back on and read the time at the top of the screen.  Since you can also navigate through to the next or previous marker near the current playhead time by double tapping to the right or left of the central transport (and since you can also set your recording to insert markers at fixed intervals if you listened to the directions in the QuickStart for the free app), you get a fair amount of precision.  It's also possible to double tap the left edge of the screen and then pick up the position marker for the waveform range strip at the left edge of the strip and position yourself by sliding to the right.

There are a few changes to the simple recording interface in the pro version, FiRe: two of the five buttons at the bottom of the screen have been renamed.  They are:
1. Transport (the main working screen)
2. Info (list of recordings, their length, audio properties, creation and modification dates, and size; you also edit the names here and optionally lock recordings that you don't want to modify or record over)
3. Properties ("Markers" in the free version; in addition to listing markers that you can label by name as well as time, the "Properties" include the ability to supply metadata -- author, artist. composer, title, take, comments, etc. -- either by referencing all fields, or by selecting metadata entries appropriate to the kind of recording or upload destination -- e.g."Broadcast WAVE", "Ogg Vorbis", "iXML", "SoundCloud")
4. Settings (Pro version is set up under categories of Input, Transport, Recording, and Playback; free version gives you a subset of these on a single screen, like recording quality, time unit for automatic marker placement, recording thresholds.)
5. Share ("FTP" in the free version; Pro version gives you additional options for SoundCloud upload, and support for compressed formats like AAC, Podcast, Apple Lossless, FLAC, and Ogg Vorbis; this screen also tells you how much space is left available on your device)

The pro version also has an "Input Gain" button at the top right of the main (Transport) screen.  When you double tap this button, the region of the "Record" and "Stop" buttons (above the 5 screen selection buttons at the bottom, and below the central waveform region) is overlaid with an input gain slider (0 to +24 dB) that you can adjust by swiping up or down.  Or, if you are starting from 0, you can do a double tap and hold pass through gesture at the left edge of the slider, and swipe right before lifting your finger to get finer adjustment control.  Double tap the "Input Gain" button at the top right again to dismiss the gain control and regain access to the "Record" and "Stop" buttons.

There are a lot more options under the different "Settings" button menus to explore, and the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad top level menu for "Settings > FiRe" and "Settings > Blue FiRe" menus for these apps also provides access to this information.  (It may be unlikely that you access these menus, at least for the Pro "FiRe" version, from the device's main "Settings" menu unless you are using an iPad, due to the complexity.)

Finally, I originally started composing this post to answer Ginny's question about recording over material with the Voxie Pro Recorder app (not possible with that app, but a feature, like overdubbing, that can be done with FiRe).  I'll paste in these comments, which describes some of the different limitations for apps like Voice Memos and Voxie Pro Recorder as well as the recording devices.

Ginnie asked:
> 
> Hello. Has anyone been successful editing Voxie recordings?  I attempted
> this by pausing a recording at the point where I'd like to begin recording
> again, but Voxie puts me at the end of the original recording instead.  It
> might not be possible to edit by recording over material...just thought I'd
> check.

Voxie Pro Recorder is designed to append to recording tracks or quickly record new tracks on your iPhone or iPod Touch. I would handle merging or joining the recorded tracks with programs on my computer (e.g., with Amadeus Pro or similar program on a Mac).  If you want an iPhone app that can be used to edit over recordings, try the free Blue FiRe app from Blue Microphones.  Blue FiRe is a field recorder app that's designed for professional music recording with input devices that support stereo recording.  Such devices, which include Blue Microphones' own Blue Mikey 2 recorder, typically connect to the iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad through the dock connector rather than through the headphone jack, since the headphone jack only supports mono recording.  Blue FiRe can record from either the headphone jack or through the dock connector.  The difference between apps like Voxie Pro Recorder and the default Voice Memos app on the iPhone or iPod Touch and apps like Blue Microphones' Blue FiRe or the FiRe app by Audiofile Engineering is that Voxie and the Voice Memos app are designed to give you a simple and fast workflow for recording, with Voxie in Express Mode letting you start and stop the recording just by shaking the iPhone or iPod Touch.

With Blue FiRe and FiRe, music recording and editing is the main activity, and the attention is on the details of the recording/playback/editing process, displaying time in tenths or hundredths of seconds, inserting markers, setting thresholds for the recording level, having the ability to "lock" a recording, and having default recording settings that are high bit rate -- as opposed to the 8 kHz rate that is the only setting for Voice Memos, that is also the recommended setting for simple voice recordings on Voxie.  Similarly, because the recordings are expected to encompass pro quality and require more space, there's no email option (as in Voxie and Voice Memos),  but there's a dedicated file uploading capability.  The "pro" version of the Blue FiRe app, "FiRe -- Field Recorder" (currently $5.95 for a limited time; usually $9.95) from Audiofile Engineers, also supports many other settings such as:
SoundCloud integration
Compressed file creation
Metadata
Input Processing
Overdub
Playthrough
For example, you can play your recording back faster (1.5 times, 1.25 times) or slower (0.75 times, 0.5 times), optionally retaining pitch.  You can set this up so that double tapping scrolls you to your next marker setting (with VoiceOver toggled off).  You can set up processing presets for hiss reduction, rumble reduction, live concerts outdoors, bass boost, female voice enhancer, male voice enhancer, etc.

There's a detailed support page for FiRe as well as user forums at the main Audiofile Engineering web page.  The Knowledge Base (link appended below) contains answers to detailed information on presets, unique features compared to other recording program, links to information on compatible recording devices, and a host of other items:
<http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/support/helpdesk/index.php?pg=kb.book&id=40>
Ginny, since you have an iPad, it might be worth pointing out that people have also successfully used Blue Micophone's Yeti mic (on sale at Apple Stores, through Amazon at prices that have bounced around from $105 to $140, and other sources) with the iPad's USB Camera kit to record.  (The Yeti stands taller than my Macbook, and weighs over a pound -- almost as much your iPad.) You can find more info about this through Google, or through the links and reviews at the Blue Microphone site, e.g. their linked PDF article from AppleTell:
<http://www.bluemic.com/yeti/reviews/Appletell_iPadYeti.pdf>

Hope this answers your questions.  I'm cc'ing this post to a number of lists so as not to have to retype a lengthy post, especially for lists that don't have easily searchable archives.  Also credits to Scott Howell and Dane Trethowan for originally starting this discussion of possible apps for professional  music recording on the iPhone back around Christmas on the mac-access list.  You now all know who to blame for the contents of this post <smile>.

Cheers,

Esther
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Sat Jun  5 16:53:57 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:53:57 +0100
Subject: Stanza Desktop
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Hi Lynne
I'm glad you managed to figure out what it was.
TC
James 
On 5 Jun 2010, at 12:26, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello James
> 
> On 5 Jun 2010, at 11:25, James & Nash wrote:
> 
> ? You know far more than I do. :) I would be interested to hear how you get on in sloving this mystery. Would you share with the list please?
> 
> No! No! Definitely Not! I'm a relative novice. All I know is what I've learned from my other half. I first started using the mac in 2007, just before Christmas. Before then I was a very nervous Windows point & click person and that was it. But now I hate EWindows and have equipped my office at work with Mac hardware.
> 
> As to the mystery, there isn't one. I tried this on another machine which also has invisible files hidden and got the same results. So it's the way they've put the thing together. Point being here James that we cannot have created the .ds_store file as it's in a read-only volume. I can make the archive available for you to download if you like and you can open it your end and see what you get?
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 16:57:38 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:57:38 +0100
Subject: Audio epub books
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Hi Esther

I'll look at these sites, thanks.  Lynne spent quite a bit of time mooching around this morning on Google and other places looking for Mac readers.  But she didn't come up with anything not already mentioned.

What I don't like about Stand is that if you move between pages, stop interacting with the text area and then re-interact, VoiceOver doesn't seem to refresh the content.

I'll have a look at that site later, thank you Esther.

Gordon


On 5 Jun 2010, at 16:47, Esther wrote:

Hi Travis, Gordon, and Others,

Mobipocket files don't have to have DRM.  The Baen webscription site offers that as one of the formats, as does O'Reilly for their multiple format ePub books.  Gordon, I've been told that Calibre does a better (or more robust) job with some eBook conversion formats.  In general, generating ePub from PDF usually has some limitations.  If you want to try generating ePub versions from Stanza Desktop, the format you want to choose in the "File > Export Book As" menu is "open eBook".

There are good links to description of current eBook readers from the epubbooks site I posted about last week:
http://www.epubbooks.com/
(Unexpectedly, this site seems to be down right now.)

The Teleread site is also a good source of information on eBooks, formats, and conversions.  Here's a link to one of their articles discussing conversions, "The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook" by John Schember:
<http://www.teleread.com/2010/01/03/the-abcs-of-format-conversion-for-the-kindle-sony-and-nook-plus-some-calibre-tips/>

Another good source of information is the Threepress Consulting Blog.  These are the people who developed Ibis Reader, which is another way to read DRM-free ePub books on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch. Here's an entry that talks about ePub formatting problems that cause difficulties with iTunes reading of eBook files:
<http://blog.threepress.org/2010/04/01/itunes-and-malformed-epub/>

One of the reasons that I like epubbooks.com as a source is that they generally do a good job with their free epub book version formats.  Incidentally, I didn't think the .mobi format had anything to do with audio ePub.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

Gordon Smith wrote:

> 
> Hi Travis
> 
> Standa can indeed red .mobi format.  I will comment more later, but I'm using it right now.
> 
> On 5 Jun 2010, at 15:42, Travis Siegel wrote:
> 
> .mobi is for the mobi pocket reader.
> As far as I know, there isn't a mac application that can read this format.
> Mobi pocket format is used for drm encrypted ebooks, and me personally, I refuse to purchase any electronic book with encryption on it, so my ebook colllection isn't as large as it might otherwise be, though I do have some palm doc formatted books, because the palm reader used to be 100 percent accessible under windows, until they did an upgrade, and broke a lot of the screen reader compatibility. <sigh>
> So, now I have a hundred or so books I can't currently read on any device as a result.
> The mobi pocket reader was accessible (again on windows) for a short period of time, but I don't know if this was a result of the reader, or the screen reader version I was using at the time, however, since I checked last, the 1 mobipocket book I have wasn't usable on any platform I tried the mobi pocket reader on, so there it is.
> If stanza can read the format, it may be worth looking into, but I doubt it can, since mobi is a proprietary format that hasn't (as far as I know) given it's specs to any other company.
> One of these days, publishers will get the point that ebook readers aren't thieves, and just want to read their books on whatever device happens to be at hand, which can't be done with all these proprietary formats that are out there.
> Sure, it protects the book from being copied, but how many copies do they *not* sell as a result of the stupid encrypted content.
> 
> 
> On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:22 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hello everybody
>> 
>> I just checked and audio epub books have a file extension of .mobi when uncompressed. I tried renaming it to an mp4, aac, mp3 and aiff but nothing would play the thing.
>> 
>> Lynne
>> 

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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 16:59:02 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 16:59:02 +0100
Subject: Stanza Desktop
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Hi James

Lynne is busy elsewhere just now.  But I can confirm what she said earlier.

As you open Standa, (latest version), it is ignoring user preferences.  All invisible files and folders are suddenly visible.


On 5 Jun 2010, at 16:53, James & Nash wrote:

Hi Lynne
I'm glad you managed to figure out what it was.

From moriond at mac.com  Sat Jun  5 17:04:41 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 06:04:41 -1000
Subject: FiRe -- Field Recorder app on sale for $5.99 through June 10,
	2010 [was Re: recording app for my iphone]
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Hi Gordon,

Yes, I did mean to send this post to this list <smile>.  The  
discussion about professional recording apps like FiRe and Blue FiRe  
actually started here back in December, with Scott's speculation about  
whether Voxie Pro Recorder could be used for stereo and professional  
recording. (The credits to Dane and Scott for sparking the original  
discussions on the mac-access list appear at the end of this post.)  
However, most of my posts are usually started in answer to somebody's  
(immediate) questions, and I usually reply directly to people who have  
asked the questions (even though these are generic enough to warrant a  
general posting).  Sorry if there's additional confusion because of  
this.  The alternative is either not posting to some lists, or  
completing rewriting these already long posts in separate versions  
tailored for each list.

I hope this is OK with list policy.  Also, this is lowest price for  
the FiRe (professional recording) app that I've seen, and it's only  
available for a limited time.

Cheers,

Esther
On Jun 5, 2010, at 05:52, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Esther
>
> Did you send this to the right list? <smile>.  I don't recall seeing  
> this thread or these members.
>
> Gordon
>
>
> On 5 Jun 2010, at 16:20, Esther wrote:
>
> Hi Krister, Damon, and Others,
>
>> Gary wrote:
>>> there is a free app that Blue microphone makess for the Mikey. it  
>>> is BlueFiRe. Pro field recorder is makde by the same company, but  
>>> costs $9.00 US. you can search for it in the Itunes store. it is  
>>> mostly accessible.
>
> and Krister asked:
>
>> Is the professional recorder accessible? What does and doesn't work?
>> /Krister
>>
>
> The pro version of the free Blue FiRe app has just gone on sale  
> ($5.99 down from $9.99) through to June 10 in celebration of  
> SoundCloud's millionth user and FiRe's anniversary as the first app  
> to integrate professional recording with uploading to SoundCloud.   
> (Having this sale during the week of the Worldwide Developers  
> Conference probably also doesn't hurt.) These apps are available  
> internationally from the iTunes App Store.
>
> ? Blue FiRe (free) by Blue Microphones:
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/blue-fire/id336713577?mt=8
> ? FiRe -- Field Recorder ($5.99 now through June 10, 2010; normally  
> $9.99) by Audiofile Engineering:
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fire-field-recorder/id309378684?mt=8
>
> I wrote a bit about the Blue FiRe and FiRe apps in this post that  
> was archived to macvisionaries vimacaudio lists:
> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg19089.html 
> >
> (iPhone Recording Apps for Voice and Music [was Re: Voice Memos App])
>
> That is a long post, and the first half covers Voice memos and Voxie  
> Pro Recorder, while the second half mentions Blue FiRe and the  
> Amazing Slow Downer, and gives (at the end) links to the apps,  
> reviews of FiRe, and where to order the Blue Mikey 2.
>
> The quick answer to Krister's question about what works is that you  
> should try the free Blue FiRe app yourself and try placing and  
> working with markers, because that's where a lot of the capabilities  
> and also potential accessibility issues arise. The free app comes  
> with a QuickStart recording that explains the layout of the main  
> screen and how to use the app.  (There's no QuickStart explanation  
> with the pro version, so you should really get the free version  
> first.) For a long answer to what's changed, and some of the  
> features of the pro version of the app, read below. For those who  
> want to skip directly to online information sources, check out  
> Audiofile Engineering's support web pages and forum, including the  
> detailed FiRe Knowlege Book at:
> <http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/support/helpdesk/index.php?pg=kb.book&id=40 
> >
>
> The Pro version, FiRe, made a few simple changes and additions that  
> made placing and working with markers easier: instead of having to  
> tap on a "handle" at the base of the playhead to set markers you can  
> now tap anywhere around the center of the transport, above the point  
> midway between the record and stop buttons, to have your marker  
> register.  (It was possible to do before by aiming just between and  
> slightly above the two buttons, but now it's much easier to do with  
> VoiceOver toggled off, since aiming anywhere in a strip along the  
> central vertical axis works to place markers.)  There's a waveform  
> range finder strip that runs just below the waveform and above the  
> record and stop buttons that can be used for fast navigation within  
> the recording if you swipe horizontally left or right (with  
> VoiceOver off).  This is basically the region of the "handle" that  
> you had to aim for to tap your markers in the free, Blue FiRe  
> version of the app, but extended into a horizontal strip.  You can  
> easily get control of the position marker for the waveform range  
> finder by stopping your recording at the end, and then double  
> tapping the at the right side of center (which will mean that you're  
> tapping at the right edge of the central waveform strip).  That  
> moves the position marker to the right edge of the waveform range  
> strip, and if you move your finger down to the waveform range strip  
> after doing your double tap to the right of center, you can slide  
> from the right edge of the strip to quickly change the current  
> playback position anywhere from the start (left edge) to the end  
> (right edge) of the recording.  If you want to check the exact time  
> you've moved to, toggle VoiceOver back on and read the time at the  
> top of the screen.  Since you can also navigate through to the next  
> or previous marker near the current playhead time by double tapping  
> to the right or left of the central transport (and since you can  
> also set your recording to insert markers at fixed intervals if you  
> listened to the directions in the QuickStart for the free app), you  
> get a fair amount of precision.  It's also possible to double tap  
> the left edge of the screen and then pick up the position marker for  
> the waveform range strip at the left edge of the strip and position  
> yourself by sliding to the right.
>
> There are a few changes to the simple recording interface in the pro  
> version, FiRe: two of the five buttons at the bottom of the screen  
> have been renamed.  They are:
> 1. Transport (the main working screen)
> 2. Info (list of recordings, their length, audio properties,  
> creation and modification dates, and size; you also edit the names  
> here and optionally lock recordings that you don't want to modify or  
> record over)
> 3. Properties ("Markers" in the free version; in addition to listing  
> markers that you can label by name as well as time, the "Properties"  
> include the ability to supply metadata -- author, artist. composer,  
> title, take, comments, etc. -- either by referencing all fields, or  
> by selecting metadata entries appropriate to the kind of recording  
> or upload destination -- e.g."Broadcast WAVE", "Ogg Vorbis", "iXML",  
> "SoundCloud")
> 4. Settings (Pro version is set up under categories of Input,  
> Transport, Recording, and Playback; free version gives you a subset  
> of these on a single screen, like recording quality, time unit for  
> automatic marker placement, recording thresholds.)
> 5. Share ("FTP" in the free version; Pro version gives you  
> additional options for SoundCloud upload, and support for compressed  
> formats like AAC, Podcast, Apple Lossless, FLAC, and Ogg Vorbis;  
> this screen also tells you how much space is left available on your  
> device)
>
> The pro version also has an "Input Gain" button at the top right of  
> the main (Transport) screen.  When you double tap this button, the  
> region of the "Record" and "Stop" buttons (above the 5 screen  
> selection buttons at the bottom, and below the central waveform  
> region) is overlaid with an input gain slider (0 to +24 dB) that you  
> can adjust by swiping up or down.  Or, if you are starting from 0,  
> you can do a double tap and hold pass through gesture at the left  
> edge of the slider, and swipe right before lifting your finger to  
> get finer adjustment control.  Double tap the "Input Gain" button at  
> the top right again to dismiss the gain control and regain access to  
> the "Record" and "Stop" buttons.
>
> There are a lot more options under the different "Settings" button  
> menus to explore, and the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad top level menu for  
> "Settings > FiRe" and "Settings > Blue FiRe" menus for these apps  
> also provides access to this information.  (It may be unlikely that  
> you access these menus, at least for the Pro "FiRe" version, from  
> the device's main "Settings" menu unless you are using an iPad, due  
> to the complexity.)
>
> Finally, I originally started composing this post to answer Ginny's  
> question about recording over material with the Voxie Pro Recorder  
> app (not possible with that app, but a feature, like overdubbing,  
> that can be done with FiRe).  I'll paste in these comments, which  
> describes some of the different limitations for apps like Voice  
> Memos and Voxie Pro Recorder as well as the recording devices.
>
> Ginnie asked:
>>
>> Hello. Has anyone been successful editing Voxie recordings?  I  
>> attempted
>> this by pausing a recording at the point where I'd like to begin  
>> recording
>> again, but Voxie puts me at the end of the original recording  
>> instead.  It
>> might not be possible to edit by recording over material...just  
>> thought I'd
>> check.
>
> Voxie Pro Recorder is designed to append to recording tracks or  
> quickly record new tracks on your iPhone or iPod Touch. I would  
> handle merging or joining the recorded tracks with programs on my  
> computer (e.g., with Amadeus Pro or similar program on a Mac).  If  
> you want an iPhone app that can be used to edit over recordings, try  
> the free Blue FiRe app from Blue Microphones.  Blue FiRe is a field  
> recorder app that's designed for professional music recording with  
> input devices that support stereo recording.  Such devices, which  
> include Blue Microphones' own Blue Mikey 2 recorder, typically  
> connect to the iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad through the dock  
> connector rather than through the headphone jack, since the  
> headphone jack only supports mono recording.  Blue FiRe can record  
> from either the headphone jack or through the dock connector.  The  
> difference between apps like Voxie Pro Recorder and the default  
> Voice Memos app on the iPhone or iPod Touch and apps like Blue  
> Microphones' Blue FiRe or the FiRe app by Audiofile Engineering is  
> that Voxie and the Voice Memos app are designed to give you a simple  
> and fast workflow for recording, with Voxie in Express Mode letting  
> you start and stop the recording just by shaking the iPhone or iPod  
> Touch.
>
> With Blue FiRe and FiRe, music recording and editing is the main  
> activity, and the attention is on the details of the recording/ 
> playback/editing process, displaying time in tenths or hundredths of  
> seconds, inserting markers, setting thresholds for the recording  
> level, having the ability to "lock" a recording, and having default  
> recording settings that are high bit rate -- as opposed to the 8 kHz  
> rate that is the only setting for Voice Memos, that is also the  
> recommended setting for simple voice recordings on Voxie.   
> Similarly, because the recordings are expected to encompass pro  
> quality and require more space, there's no email option (as in Voxie  
> and Voice Memos),  but there's a dedicated file uploading  
> capability.  The "pro" version of the Blue FiRe app, "FiRe -- Field  
> Recorder" (currently $5.95 for a limited time; usually $9.95) from  
> Audiofile Engineers, also supports many other settings such as:
> SoundCloud integration
> Compressed file creation
> Metadata
> Input Processing
> Overdub
> Playthrough
> For example, you can play your recording back faster (1.5 times,  
> 1.25 times) or slower (0.75 times, 0.5 times), optionally retaining  
> pitch.  You can set this up so that double tapping scrolls you to  
> your next marker setting (with VoiceOver toggled off).  You can set  
> up processing presets for hiss reduction, rumble reduction, live  
> concerts outdoors, bass boost, female voice enhancer, male voice  
> enhancer, etc.
>
> There's a detailed support page for FiRe as well as user forums at  
> the main Audiofile Engineering web page.  The Knowledge Base (link  
> appended below) contains answers to detailed information on presets,  
> unique features compared to other recording program, links to  
> information on compatible recording devices, and a host of other  
> items:
> <http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/support/helpdesk/index.php?pg=kb.book&id=40 
> >
> Ginny, since you have an iPad, it might be worth pointing out that  
> people have also successfully used Blue Micophone's Yeti mic (on  
> sale at Apple Stores, through Amazon at prices that have bounced  
> around from $105 to $140, and other sources) with the iPad's USB  
> Camera kit to record.  (The Yeti stands taller than my Macbook, and  
> weighs over a pound -- almost as much your iPad.) You can find more  
> info about this through Google, or through the links and reviews at  
> the Blue Microphone site, e.g. their linked PDF article from  
> AppleTell:
> <http://www.bluemic.com/yeti/reviews/Appletell_iPadYeti.pdf>
>
> Hope this answers your questions.  I'm cc'ing this post to a number  
> of lists so as not to have to retype a lengthy post, especially for  
> lists that don't have easily searchable archives.  Also credits to  
> Scott Howell and Dane Trethowan for originally starting this  
> discussion of possible apps for professional  music recording on the  
> iPhone back around Christmas on the mac-access list.  You now all  
> know who to blame for the contents of this post <smile>.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther


From moriond at mac.com  Sat Jun  5 17:12:02 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 06:12:02 -1000
Subject: Audio epub books
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Hi Gordon,

Your statement about VoiceOver's failure to refresh content is one of  
the reasons that I don't use this app to read epub format on the  
Desktop if I have another eBook format. As I mentioned, I mostly use  
Stanza Desktop to convert formats or to upload eBooks into Stanza. For  
the iPhone and iPod Touch, Stanza remains on the edge of being  
something that can work with VoiceOver.  It's actually viable under  
the iPad, but there are still some quirks that appear to also depend  
on the source format.  Another web-based ePub reader that you can try  
is O'Reilly's Bookworm app.  This works from the iPhone and iPod Touch  
platform, but the necessity of using a network connection to read your  
eBooks, as well as the shortcomings of bookmarking, make this less  
successful than Ibis Reader for the VoiceOver user.

Cheers,

Esther

On Jun 5, 2010, at 05:57, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Esther
>
> I'll look at these sites, thanks.  Lynne spent quite a bit of time  
> mooching around this morning on Google and other places looking for  
> Mac readers.  But she didn't come up with anything not already  
> mentioned.
>
> What I don't like about Stand is that if you move between pages,  
> stop interacting with the text area and then re-interact, VoiceOver  
> doesn't seem to refresh the content.
>
> I'll have a look at that site later, thank you Esther.
>
> Gordon
>
>
> On 5 Jun 2010, at 16:47, Esther wrote:
>
> Hi Travis, Gordon, and Others,
>
> Mobipocket files don't have to have DRM.  The Baen webscription site  
> offers that as one of the formats, as does O'Reilly for their  
> multiple format ePub books.  Gordon, I've been told that Calibre  
> does a better (or more robust) job with some eBook conversion  
> formats.  In general, generating ePub from PDF usually has some  
> limitations.  If you want to try generating ePub versions from  
> Stanza Desktop, the format you want to choose in the "File > Export  
> Book As" menu is "open eBook".
>
> There are good links to description of current eBook readers from  
> the epubbooks site I posted about last week:
> http://www.epubbooks.com/
> (Unexpectedly, this site seems to be down right now.)
>
> The Teleread site is also a good source of information on eBooks,  
> formats, and conversions.  Here's a link to one of their articles  
> discussing conversions, "The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy  
> Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook" by John Schember:
> <http://www.teleread.com/2010/01/03/the-abcs-of-format-conversion-for-the-kindle-sony-and-nook-plus-some-calibre-tips/ 
> >
>
> Another good source of information is the Threepress Consulting  
> Blog.  These are the people who developed Ibis Reader, which is  
> another way to read DRM-free ePub books on your iPhone, iPad, or  
> iPod Touch. Here's an entry that talks about ePub formatting  
> problems that cause difficulties with iTunes reading of eBook files:
> <http://blog.threepress.org/2010/04/01/itunes-and-malformed-epub/>
>
> One of the reasons that I like epubbooks.com as a source is that  
> they generally do a good job with their free epub book version  
> formats.  Incidentally, I didn't think the .mobi format had anything  
> to do with audio ePub.
>
> HTH.  Cheers,
>
> Esther
>


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 17:43:36 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:43:36 +0100
Subject: Query
Message-ID: <043F062F-5FFC-4ECB-B806-84C26484C98B@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

We have a machine with several networked drives attached.  Recently, we changed the layout and the volume names of most of those drives.  However, when we try to connect via AFP to the resources, the old names are still visible rather than new.

It must be a cache somewhere but where?

Any suggestions welcome, including a fix which would be appreciate most of all.

Thanks.

Gordon


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 17:47:15 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:47:15 +0100
Subject: FiRe -- Field Recorder app on sale for $5.99 through June 10,
	2010 [was Re: recording app for my iphone]
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Hi Esther

No apology necessary.  It was just me getting confused and thinking perhaps you'd made an error.  But the content was quite appropriate.

Scott, unfortunately, is no longer on the list.  When we enquired as to his status, he came back, oddly enough, with the verbatim line that David Poehlman did ... "My load is too heavy at the moment".

Oh well, maybe it is ... I don't know.

Anyway, thanks for the clarification.

Gordon

On 5 Jun 2010, at 17:04, Esther wrote:

Hi Gordon,

Yes, I did mean to send this post to this list <smile>.  The discussion about professional recording apps like FiRe and Blue FiRe actually started here back in December, with Scott's speculation about whether Voxie Pro Recorder could be used for stereo and professional recording. (The credits to Dane and Scott for sparking the original discussions on the mac-access list appear at the end of this post.) However, most of my posts are usually started in answer to somebody's (immediate) questions, and I usually reply directly to people who have asked the questions (even though these are generic enough to warrant a general posting).  Sorry if there's additional confusion because of this.  The alternative is either not posting to some lists, or completing rewriting these already long posts in separate versions tailored for each list.

I hope this is OK with list policy.  Also, this is lowest price for the FiRe (professional recording) app that I've seen, and it's only available for a limited time.

Cheers,

Esther
On Jun 5, 2010, at 05:52, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Esther
> 
> Did you send this to the right list? <smile>.  I don't recall seeing this thread or these members.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> On 5 Jun 2010, at 16:20, Esther wrote:
> 
> Hi Krister, Damon, and Others,
> 
>> Gary wrote:
>>> there is a free app that Blue microphone makess for the Mikey. it is BlueFiRe. Pro field recorder is makde by the same company, but costs $9.00 US. you can search for it in the Itunes store. it is mostly accessible.
> 
> and Krister asked:
> 
>> Is the professional recorder accessible? What does and doesn't work?
>> /Krister
>> 
> 
> The pro version of the free Blue FiRe app has just gone on sale ($5.99 down from $9.99) through to June 10 in celebration of SoundCloud's millionth user and FiRe's anniversary as the first app to integrate professional recording with uploading to SoundCloud.  (Having this sale during the week of the Worldwide Developers Conference probably also doesn't hurt.) These apps are available internationally from the iTunes App Store.
> 
> ? Blue FiRe (free) by Blue Microphones:
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/blue-fire/id336713577?mt=8
> ? FiRe -- Field Recorder ($5.99 now through June 10, 2010; normally $9.99) by Audiofile Engineering:
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fire-field-recorder/id309378684?mt=8
> 
> I wrote a bit about the Blue FiRe and FiRe apps in this post that was archived to macvisionaries vimacaudio lists:
> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg19089.html>
> (iPhone Recording Apps for Voice and Music [was Re: Voice Memos App])
> 
> That is a long post, and the first half covers Voice memos and Voxie Pro Recorder, while the second half mentions Blue FiRe and the Amazing Slow Downer, and gives (at the end) links to the apps, reviews of FiRe, and where to order the Blue Mikey 2.
> 
> The quick answer to Krister's question about what works is that you should try the free Blue FiRe app yourself and try placing and working with markers, because that's where a lot of the capabilities and also potential accessibility issues arise. The free app comes with a QuickStart recording that explains the layout of the main screen and how to use the app.  (There's no QuickStart explanation with the pro version, so you should really get the free version first.) For a long answer to what's changed, and some of the features of the pro version of the app, read below. For those who want to skip directly to online information sources, check out Audiofile Engineering's support web pages and forum, including the detailed FiRe Knowlege Book at:
> <http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/support/helpdesk/index.php?pg=kb.book&id=40>
> 
> The Pro version, FiRe, made a few simple changes and additions that made placing and working with markers easier: instead of having to tap on a "handle" at the base of the playhead to set markers you can now tap anywhere around the center of the transport, above the point midway between the record and stop buttons, to have your marker register.  (It was possible to do before by aiming just between and slightly above the two buttons, but now it's much easier to do with VoiceOver toggled off, since aiming anywhere in a strip along the central vertical axis works to place markers.)  There's a waveform range finder strip that runs just below the waveform and above the record and stop buttons that can be used for fast navigation within the recording if you swipe horizontally left or right (with VoiceOver off).  This is basically the region of the "handle" that you had to aim for to tap your markers in the free, Blue FiRe version of the app, but extended into a horizontal strip.  You can easily get control of the position marker for the waveform range finder by stopping your recording at the end, and then double tapping the at the right side of center (which will mean that you're tapping at the right edge of the central waveform strip).  That moves the position marker to the right edge of the waveform range strip, and if you move your finger down to the waveform range strip after doing your double tap to the right of center, you can slide from the right edge of the strip to quickly change the current playback position anywhere from the start (left edge) to the end (right edge) of the recording.  If you want to check the exact time you've moved to, toggle VoiceOver back on and read the time at the top of the screen.  Since you can also navigate through to the next or previous marker near the current playhead time by double tapping to the right or left of the central transport (and since you can also set your recording to insert markers at fixed intervals if you listened to the directions in the QuickStart for the free app), you get a fair amount of precision.  It's also possible to double tap the left edge of the screen and then pick up the position marker for the waveform range strip at the left edge of the strip and position yourself by sliding to the right.
> 
> There are a few changes to the simple recording interface in the pro version, FiRe: two of the five buttons at the bottom of the screen have been renamed.  They are:
> 1. Transport (the main working screen)
> 2. Info (list of recordings, their length, audio properties, creation and modification dates, and size; you also edit the names here and optionally lock recordings that you don't want to modify or record over)
> 3. Properties ("Markers" in the free version; in addition to listing markers that you can label by name as well as time, the "Properties" include the ability to supply metadata -- author, artist. composer, title, take, comments, etc. -- either by referencing all fields, or by selecting metadata entries appropriate to the kind of recording or upload destination -- e.g."Broadcast WAVE", "Ogg Vorbis", "iXML", "SoundCloud")
> 4. Settings (Pro version is set up under categories of Input, Transport, Recording, and Playback; free version gives you a subset of these on a single screen, like recording quality, time unit for automatic marker placement, recording thresholds.)
> 5. Share ("FTP" in the free version; Pro version gives you additional options for SoundCloud upload, and support for compressed formats like AAC, Podcast, Apple Lossless, FLAC, and Ogg Vorbis; this screen also tells you how much space is left available on your device)
> 
> The pro version also has an "Input Gain" button at the top right of the main (Transport) screen.  When you double tap this button, the region of the "Record" and "Stop" buttons (above the 5 screen selection buttons at the bottom, and below the central waveform region) is overlaid with an input gain slider (0 to +24 dB) that you can adjust by swiping up or down.  Or, if you are starting from 0, you can do a double tap and hold pass through gesture at the left edge of the slider, and swipe right before lifting your finger to get finer adjustment control.  Double tap the "Input Gain" button at the top right again to dismiss the gain control and regain access to the "Record" and "Stop" buttons.
> 
> There are a lot more options under the different "Settings" button menus to explore, and the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad top level menu for "Settings > FiRe" and "Settings > Blue FiRe" menus for these apps also provides access to this information.  (It may be unlikely that you access these menus, at least for the Pro "FiRe" version, from the device's main "Settings" menu unless you are using an iPad, due to the complexity.)
> 
> Finally, I originally started composing this post to answer Ginny's question about recording over material with the Voxie Pro Recorder app (not possible with that app, but a feature, like overdubbing, that can be done with FiRe).  I'll paste in these comments, which describes some of the different limitations for apps like Voice Memos and Voxie Pro Recorder as well as the recording devices.
> 
> Ginnie asked:
>> 
>> Hello. Has anyone been successful editing Voxie recordings?  I attempted
>> this by pausing a recording at the point where I'd like to begin recording
>> again, but Voxie puts me at the end of the original recording instead.  It
>> might not be possible to edit by recording over material...just thought I'd
>> check.
> 
> Voxie Pro Recorder is designed to append to recording tracks or quickly record new tracks on your iPhone or iPod Touch. I would handle merging or joining the recorded tracks with programs on my computer (e.g., with Amadeus Pro or similar program on a Mac).  If you want an iPhone app that can be used to edit over recordings, try the free Blue FiRe app from Blue Microphones.  Blue FiRe is a field recorder app that's designed for professional music recording with input devices that support stereo recording.  Such devices, which include Blue Microphones' own Blue Mikey 2 recorder, typically connect to the iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad through the dock connector rather than through the headphone jack, since the headphone jack only supports mono recording.  Blue FiRe can record from either the headphone jack or through the dock connector.  The difference between apps like Voxie Pro Recorder and the default Voice Memos app on the iPhone or iPod Touch and apps like Blue Microphones' Blue FiRe or the FiRe app by Audiofile Engineering is that Voxie and the Voice Memos app are designed to give you a simple and fast workflow for recording, with Voxie in Express Mode letting you start and stop the recording just by shaking the iPhone or iPod Touch.
> 
> With Blue FiRe and FiRe, music recording and editing is the main activity, and the attention is on the details of the recording/playback/editing process, displaying time in tenths or hundredths of seconds, inserting markers, setting thresholds for the recording level, having the ability to "lock" a recording, and having default recording settings that are high bit rate -- as opposed to the 8 kHz rate that is the only setting for Voice Memos, that is also the recommended setting for simple voice recordings on Voxie.  Similarly, because the recordings are expected to encompass pro quality and require more space, there's no email option (as in Voxie and Voice Memos),  but there's a dedicated file uploading capability.  The "pro" version of the Blue FiRe app, "FiRe -- Field Recorder" (currently $5.95 for a limited time; usually $9.95) from Audiofile Engineers, also supports many other settings such as:
> SoundCloud integration
> Compressed file creation
> Metadata
> Input Processing
> Overdub
> Playthrough
> For example, you can play your recording back faster (1.5 times, 1.25 times) or slower (0.75 times, 0.5 times), optionally retaining pitch.  You can set this up so that double tapping scrolls you to your next marker setting (with VoiceOver toggled off).  You can set up processing presets for hiss reduction, rumble reduction, live concerts outdoors, bass boost, female voice enhancer, male voice enhancer, etc.
> 
> There's a detailed support page for FiRe as well as user forums at the main Audiofile Engineering web page.  The Knowledge Base (link appended below) contains answers to detailed information on presets, unique features compared to other recording program, links to information on compatible recording devices, and a host of other items:
> <http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/support/helpdesk/index.php?pg=kb.book&id=40>
> Ginny, since you have an iPad, it might be worth pointing out that people have also successfully used Blue Micophone's Yeti mic (on sale at Apple Stores, through Amazon at prices that have bounced around from $105 to $140, and other sources) with the iPad's USB Camera kit to record.  (The Yeti stands taller than my Macbook, and weighs over a pound -- almost as much your iPad.) You can find more info about this through Google, or through the links and reviews at the Blue Microphone site, e.g. their linked PDF article from AppleTell:
> <http://www.bluemic.com/yeti/reviews/Appletell_iPadYeti.pdf>
> 
> Hope this answers your questions.  I'm cc'ing this post to a number of lists so as not to have to retype a lengthy post, especially for lists that don't have easily searchable archives.  Also credits to Scott Howell and Dane Trethowan for originally starting this discussion of possible apps for professional  music recording on the iPhone back around Christmas on the mac-access list.  You now all know who to blame for the contents of this post <smile>.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther

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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 17:52:27 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:52:27 +0100
Subject: Audio epub books
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Hi Esther

Yes, I agree.  I noted your messages earlier on and do plan to investigate.  I'm a little reluctant to use web-based readers to be honest for a number of reasons.  Not the least of which is network traffic.

It is for that reason primarily that I elected not to subscribe to a DAISY streaming service from the RNIB  We have to be a little careful what we do with our resources as our network trunks are very heavily used.

But I will bear this in mind.

Gordon


On 5 Jun 2010, at 17:12, Esther wrote:

Hi Gordon,

Your statement about VoiceOver's failure to refresh content is one of the reasons that I don't use this app to read epub format on the Desktop if I have another eBook format. As I mentioned, I mostly use Stanza Desktop to convert formats or to upload eBooks into Stanza. For the iPhone and iPod Touch, Stanza remains on the edge of being something that can work with VoiceOver.  It's actually viable under the iPad, but there are still some quirks that appear to also depend on the source format.  Another web-based ePub reader that you can try is O'Reilly's Bookworm app.  This works from the iPhone and iPod Touch platform, but the necessity of using a network connection to read your eBooks, as well as the shortcomings of bookmarking, make this less successful than Ibis Reader for the VoiceOver user.

Cheers,

Esther

On Jun 5, 2010, at 05:57, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi Esther
> 
> I'll look at these sites, thanks.  Lynne spent quite a bit of time mooching around this morning on Google and other places looking for Mac readers.  But she didn't come up with anything not already mentioned.
> 
> What I don't like about Stand is that if you move between pages, stop interacting with the text area and then re-interact, VoiceOver doesn't seem to refresh the content.
> 
> I'll have a look at that site later, thank you Esther.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
> On 5 Jun 2010, at 16:47, Esther wrote:
> 
> Hi Travis, Gordon, and Others,
> 
> Mobipocket files don't have to have DRM.  The Baen webscription site offers that as one of the formats, as does O'Reilly for their multiple format ePub books.  Gordon, I've been told that Calibre does a better (or more robust) job with some eBook conversion formats.  In general, generating ePub from PDF usually has some limitations.  If you want to try generating ePub versions from Stanza Desktop, the format you want to choose in the "File > Export Book As" menu is "open eBook".
> 
> There are good links to description of current eBook readers from the epubbooks site I posted about last week:
> http://www.epubbooks.com/
> (Unexpectedly, this site seems to be down right now.)
> 
> The Teleread site is also a good source of information on eBooks, formats, and conversions.  Here's a link to one of their articles discussing conversions, "The ABCs of e-book format conversion: Easy Calibre tips for the Kindle, Sony and Nook" by John Schember:
> <http://www.teleread.com/2010/01/03/the-abcs-of-format-conversion-for-the-kindle-sony-and-nook-plus-some-calibre-tips/>
> 
> Another good source of information is the Threepress Consulting Blog.  These are the people who developed Ibis Reader, which is another way to read DRM-free ePub books on your iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch. Here's an entry that talks about ePub formatting problems that cause difficulties with iTunes reading of eBook files:
> <http://blog.threepress.org/2010/04/01/itunes-and-malformed-epub/>
> 
> One of the reasons that I like epubbooks.com as a source is that they generally do a good job with their free epub book version formats.  Incidentally, I didn't think the .mobi format had anything to do with audio ePub.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 

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From gordonkeen at googlemail.com  Sat Jun  5 18:02:31 2010
From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 18:02:31 +0100
Subject: Audio epub books
In-Reply-To: <3474B463-1D87-4958-BF58-FCB0503116BE@mac.com>
References: <5DB6A3FD-D690-4037-AD4A-ECBE39F9E6B0@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Just to put my two pennies worth in, like Ester I use stanza to convert epub format books in to a more readable format - usually to .pdf files.   You only need to open the file and then use export in the files menu to select the file type you want to conver to, works like a charm
The only problem is that stanza doesn't like long file names so I use command plus i and change the file name to something nice and short before convering it and it seems to work best on the desktop not in other folders but if it works that way I can live with it.
.

Cheers

G

From glorious Devon, England.

On 5 Jun 2010, at 17:12, Esther wrote:

> Hi Gordon,
> 
snip


From moriond at mac.com  Sat Jun  5 18:13:22 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 07:13:22 -1000
Subject: Audio epub books
In-Reply-To: <4D6E3F60-E35A-4CA7-8BDB-6DBEC17AFB3C@googlemail.com>
References: <5DB6A3FD-D690-4037-AD4A-ECBE39F9E6B0@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<AA1A2DB9-2F4B-49E8-855B-41581B9519A7@softcon.us>
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Hi Gordon,

Yes, Stanza's epub to .pdf conversion generally works more  
successfully than trying to convert pdf files to epub format. I'll  
also add that although one of the Stanza's listed output file versions  
for "File >  Export Book As" is mp3 Audiobook file, this process  
seemed to take forever and is much better down with GhostReader or  
with an Automator workflow instead.  Are you still using an Automator  
workflow to create audio files from text?

Cheers,

Esther

On Jun 5, 2010, at 07:02, Gordon Keen wrote:

> Just to put my two pennies worth in, like Ester I use stanza to  
> convert epub format books in to a more readable format - usually  
> to .pdf files.   You only need to open the file and then use export  
> in the files menu to select the file type you want to conver to,  
> works like a charm
> The only problem is that stanza doesn't like long file names so I  
> use command plus i and change the file name to something nice and  
> short before convering it and it seems to work best on the desktop  
> not in other folders but if it works that way I can live with it.
> .
>
> Cheers
>
> G
>


From gordonkeen at googlemail.com  Sat Jun  5 18:26:18 2010
From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 18:26:18 +0100
Subject: Audio epub books
In-Reply-To: <CB474BBF-73D8-45E1-B58B-FED74B961B9B@mac.com>
References: <5DB6A3FD-D690-4037-AD4A-ECBE39F9E6B0@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<AA1A2DB9-2F4B-49E8-855B-41581B9519A7@softcon.us>
	<D7A4B1D2-0DB7-4902-873D-C18F9BD30238@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<247AF107-61D3-498C-989D-EB9068370733@mac.com>
	<F0AF1E4F-2E09-4820-A8DC-D8B6536D23C6@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<3474B463-1D87-4958-BF58-FCB0503116BE@mac.com>
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Just the work flow I downloaded from the apple site which needs a little work to make it more friendly, so I'm waiting for my tech guru (son Richard - the software architect) to spare his poor old Dad some time between his busy schedule to tweek it for me.   It may be some time as he has to fly to Switzerland every fortnight for four day visits and fit in a four day trip to Vietnam in July but he will get around to me after that he assures me, should I hold my breath?

Grumbling 

G

From glorious Devon, England.
On 5 Jun 2010, at 18:13, Esther wrote:

> Hi Gordon,
> 
> Yes, Stanza's epub to .pdf conversion generally works more successfully than trying to convert pdf files to epub format. I'll also add that although one of the Stanza's listed output file versions for "File >  Export Book As" is mp3 Audiobook file, this process seemed to take forever and is much better down with GhostReader or with an Automator workflow instead.  Are you still using an Automator workflow to create audio files from text?
> 


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sat Jun  5 19:20:04 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 04:20:04 +1000
Subject: FiRe -- Field Recorder app on sale for $5.99 through June 10,
	2010 [was Re: recording app for my iphone]
In-Reply-To: <EECE6013-0E58-4448-9D4C-E35DDD3A61C6@mac.com>
References: <005801cb0406$b8372e10$28a58a30$@com>
	<001001cb040c$c91d7260$6501a8c0@76fac982a15d467>
	<32B1B55F-0187-4B26-9200-102730381903@kristersplace.com>
	<EECE6013-0E58-4448-9D4C-E35DDD3A61C6@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4998F55A-AD6F-4386-8F37-DB7D38C622E4@internode.on.net>

I'm reading about this product now, sounds absolutely amazing and is on my "must have" list for the week, glad I waited.


On 06/06/2010, at 1:20 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Krister, Damon, and Others,
> 
>> Gary wrote:
>>> there is a free app that Blue microphone makess for the Mikey. it is BlueFiRe. Pro field recorder is makde by the same company, but costs $9.00 US. you can search for it in the Itunes store. it is mostly accessible.
> 
> and Krister asked:
> 
>> Is the professional recorder accessible? What does and doesn't work?
>> /Krister
>> 
> 
> The pro version of the free Blue FiRe app has just gone on sale ($5.99 down from $9.99) through to June 10 in celebration of SoundCloud's millionth user and FiRe's anniversary as the first app to integrate professional recording with uploading to SoundCloud.  (Having this sale during the week of the Worldwide Developers Conference probably also doesn't hurt.) These apps are available internationally from the iTunes App Store.
> 
> ? Blue FiRe (free) by Blue Microphones:
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/blue-fire/id336713577?mt=8
> ? FiRe -- Field Recorder ($5.99 now through June 10, 2010; normally $9.99) by Audiofile Engineering:
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fire-field-recorder/id309378684?mt=8
> 
> I wrote a bit about the Blue FiRe and FiRe apps in this post that was archived to macvisionaries vimacaudio lists:
> <http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg19089.html>
> (iPhone Recording Apps for Voice and Music [was Re: Voice Memos App])
> 
> That is a long post, and the first half covers Voice memos and Voxie Pro Recorder, while the second half mentions Blue FiRe and the Amazing Slow Downer, and gives (at the end) links to the apps, reviews of FiRe, and where to order the Blue Mikey 2.
> 
> The quick answer to Krister's question about what works is that you should try the free Blue FiRe app yourself and try placing and working with markers, because that's where a lot of the capabilities and also potential accessibility issues arise. The free app comes with a QuickStart recording that explains the layout of the main screen and how to use the app.  (There's no QuickStart explanation with the pro version, so you should really get the free version first.) For a long answer to what's changed, and some of the features of the pro version of the app, read below. For those who want to skip directly to online information sources, check out Audiofile Engineering's support web pages and forum, including the detailed FiRe Knowlege Book at:
> <http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/support/helpdesk/index.php?pg=kb.book&id=40>
> 
> The Pro version, FiRe, made a few simple changes and additions that made placing and working with markers easier: instead of having to tap on a "handle" at the base of the playhead to set markers you can now tap anywhere around the center of the transport, above the point midway between the record and stop buttons, to have your marker register.  (It was possible to do before by aiming just between and slightly above the two buttons, but now it's much easier to do with VoiceOver toggled off, since aiming anywhere in a strip along the central vertical axis works to place markers.)  There's a waveform range finder strip that runs just below the waveform and above the record and stop buttons that can be used for fast navigation within the recording if you swipe horizontally left or right (with VoiceOver off).  This is basically the region of the "handle" that you had to aim for to tap your markers in the free, Blue FiRe version of the app, but extended into a horizontal strip.  You can easily get control of the position marker for the waveform range finder by stopping your recording at the end, and then double tapping the at the right side of center (which will mean that you're tapping at the right edge of the central waveform strip).  That moves the position marker to the right edge of the waveform range strip, and if you move your finger down to the waveform range strip after doing your double tap to the right of center, you can slide from the right edge of the strip to quickly change the current playback position anywhere from the start (left edge) to the end (right edge) of the recording.  If you want to check the exact time you've moved to, toggle VoiceOver back on and read the time at the top of the screen.  Since you can also navigate through to the next or previous marker near the current playhead time by double tapping to the right or left of the central transport (and since you can also set your recording to insert markers at fixed intervals if you listened to the directions in the QuickStart for the free app), you get a fair amount of precision.  It's also possible to double tap the left edge of the screen and then pick up the position marker for the waveform range strip at the left edge of the strip and position yourself by sliding to the right.
> 
> There are a few changes to the simple recording interface in the pro version, FiRe: two of the five buttons at the bottom of the screen have been renamed.  They are:
> 1. Transport (the main working screen)
> 2. Info (list of recordings, their length, audio properties, creation and modification dates, and size; you also edit the names here and optionally lock recordings that you don't want to modify or record over)
> 3. Properties ("Markers" in the free version; in addition to listing markers that you can label by name as well as time, the "Properties" include the ability to supply metadata -- author, artist. composer, title, take, comments, etc. -- either by referencing all fields, or by selecting metadata entries appropriate to the kind of recording or upload destination -- e.g."Broadcast WAVE", "Ogg Vorbis", "iXML", "SoundCloud")
> 4. Settings (Pro version is set up under categories of Input, Transport, Recording, and Playback; free version gives you a subset of these on a single screen, like recording quality, time unit for automatic marker placement, recording thresholds.)
> 5. Share ("FTP" in the free version; Pro version gives you additional options for SoundCloud upload, and support for compressed formats like AAC, Podcast, Apple Lossless, FLAC, and Ogg Vorbis; this screen also tells you how much space is left available on your device)
> 
> The pro version also has an "Input Gain" button at the top right of the main (Transport) screen.  When you double tap this button, the region of the "Record" and "Stop" buttons (above the 5 screen selection buttons at the bottom, and below the central waveform region) is overlaid with an input gain slider (0 to +24 dB) that you can adjust by swiping up or down.  Or, if you are starting from 0, you can do a double tap and hold pass through gesture at the left edge of the slider, and swipe right before lifting your finger to get finer adjustment control.  Double tap the "Input Gain" button at the top right again to dismiss the gain control and regain access to the "Record" and "Stop" buttons.
> 
> There are a lot more options under the different "Settings" button menus to explore, and the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad top level menu for "Settings > FiRe" and "Settings > Blue FiRe" menus for these apps also provides access to this information.  (It may be unlikely that you access these menus, at least for the Pro "FiRe" version, from the device's main "Settings" menu unless you are using an iPad, due to the complexity.)
> 
> Finally, I originally started composing this post to answer Ginny's question about recording over material with the Voxie Pro Recorder app (not possible with that app, but a feature, like overdubbing, that can be done with FiRe).  I'll paste in these comments, which describes some of the different limitations for apps like Voice Memos and Voxie Pro Recorder as well as the recording devices.
> 
> Ginnie asked:
>> 
>> Hello. Has anyone been successful editing Voxie recordings?  I attempted
>> this by pausing a recording at the point where I'd like to begin recording
>> again, but Voxie puts me at the end of the original recording instead.  It
>> might not be possible to edit by recording over material...just thought I'd
>> check.
> 
> Voxie Pro Recorder is designed to append to recording tracks or quickly record new tracks on your iPhone or iPod Touch. I would handle merging or joining the recorded tracks with programs on my computer (e.g., with Amadeus Pro or similar program on a Mac).  If you want an iPhone app that can be used to edit over recordings, try the free Blue FiRe app from Blue Microphones.  Blue FiRe is a field recorder app that's designed for professional music recording with input devices that support stereo recording.  Such devices, which include Blue Microphones' own Blue Mikey 2 recorder, typically connect to the iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad through the dock connector rather than through the headphone jack, since the headphone jack only supports mono recording.  Blue FiRe can record from either the headphone jack or through the dock connector.  The difference between apps like Voxie Pro Recorder and the default Voice Memos app on the iPhone or iPod Touch and apps like Blue Microphones' Blue FiRe or the FiRe app by Audiofile Engineering is that Voxie and the Voice Memos app are designed to give you a simple and fast workflow for recording, with Voxie in Express Mode letting you start and stop the recording just by shaking the iPhone or iPod Touch.
> 
> With Blue FiRe and FiRe, music recording and editing is the main activity, and the attention is on the details of the recording/playback/editing process, displaying time in tenths or hundredths of seconds, inserting markers, setting thresholds for the recording level, having the ability to "lock" a recording, and having default recording settings that are high bit rate -- as opposed to the 8 kHz rate that is the only setting for Voice Memos, that is also the recommended setting for simple voice recordings on Voxie.  Similarly, because the recordings are expected to encompass pro quality and require more space, there's no email option (as in Voxie and Voice Memos),  but there's a dedicated file uploading capability.  The "pro" version of the Blue FiRe app, "FiRe -- Field Recorder" (currently $5.95 for a limited time; usually $9.95) from Audiofile Engineers, also supports many other settings such as:
> SoundCloud integration
> Compressed file creation
> Metadata
> Input Processing
> Overdub
> Playthrough
> For example, you can play your recording back faster (1.5 times, 1.25 times) or slower (0.75 times, 0.5 times), optionally retaining pitch.  You can set this up so that double tapping scrolls you to your next marker setting (with VoiceOver toggled off).  You can set up processing presets for hiss reduction, rumble reduction, live concerts outdoors, bass boost, female voice enhancer, male voice enhancer, etc.
> 
> There's a detailed support page for FiRe as well as user forums at the main Audiofile Engineering web page.  The Knowledge Base (link appended below) contains answers to detailed information on presets, unique features compared to other recording program, links to information on compatible recording devices, and a host of other items:
> <http://www.audiofile-engineering.com/support/helpdesk/index.php?pg=kb.book&id=40>
> Ginny, since you have an iPad, it might be worth pointing out that people have also successfully used Blue Micophone's Yeti mic (on sale at Apple Stores, through Amazon at prices that have bounced around from $105 to $140, and other sources) with the iPad's USB Camera kit to record.  (The Yeti stands taller than my Macbook, and weighs over a pound -- almost as much your iPad.) You can find more info about this through Google, or through the links and reviews at the Blue Microphone site, e.g. their linked PDF article from AppleTell:
> <http://www.bluemic.com/yeti/reviews/Appletell_iPadYeti.pdf>
> 
> Hope this answers your questions.  I'm cc'ing this post to a number of lists so as not to have to retype a lengthy post, especially for lists that don't have easily searchable archives.  Also credits to Scott Howell and Dane Trethowan for originally starting this discussion of possible apps for professional  music recording on the iPhone back around Christmas on the mac-access list.  You now all know who to blame for the contents of this post <smile>.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
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From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk  Sat Jun  5 20:13:46 2010
From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 20:13:46 +0100
Subject: Ebooks on the iPad 
Message-ID: <CB4D84CC-6C4C-401F-BA4F-DDC40E96929D@hopewell.org.uk>

Hello, 
I have been enthusing about the Ipad to a partially sighted friend who is interested in using it to read Ebooks via screen magnification / contrast enhancement with the option of speech synthesis as well. I explained how the iPad provides accessibility to all its menus, which the alternative of the Amazon Kindle does not.  I also sent my friend a US article on the iPad iBook reader which sounded pretty good. 
  
However I am now concerned about the range of text Ebooks which can be read on the IPad outside the USA.  Is the Apple iBook store available outside the USA and if so is the range of Ebooks severely restricted? Are there other sources of IPad accessible Ebooks available to iPad users in the UK?  If my friend went for the Amazon Kindle are there similar problems sourcing Ebooks outside the USA?
  
I appreciate that the iPad can handle audio books from Calibre and audible.co.uk, but my friend is more interested in books which she can read using screen magnification / contrast enhancement. 

  
I would much appreciate your comments on the above. 

Many thanks. 
  
Paul Hopewell 
hopewell at hopewell.org.ukuninput managication  Audibleabatable iPdwondering whther 
  

From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk  Sat Jun  5 20:33:37 2010
From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 20:33:37 +0100
Subject: VMWare Fusion 3.1 first impressions
In-Reply-To: <16100D1A-9579-4AB9-BB47-21DCE6A3E49B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <16100D1A-9579-4AB9-BB47-21DCE6A3E49B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B5874F3C-0629-4266-A658-250FAB77C33C@hopewell.org.uk>

Hi Gordon, 
I too have updated to the latest version of VMWare Fusion and agree that XP and Windows 7 64 bit are now much more responsive. 
  
However I am unclear about your comments on installing the latest Boot Camp drivers. I have never consciously done anything about boot camp on my iMac and have never knowingly used it. So are these boot camp  drivers relevant to me, and if so where do I get them from? I have only ever used Windows under VMware fusion emulation and have never chosen between Windows and MACOS at MAC boot time. 
  
Many thanks. 
  
Paul Hopewell 

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 20:52:06 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 20:52:06 +0100
Subject: Audio epub books
In-Reply-To: <4D6E3F60-E35A-4CA7-8BDB-6DBEC17AFB3C@googlemail.com>
References: <5DB6A3FD-D690-4037-AD4A-ECBE39F9E6B0@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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	<D7A4B1D2-0DB7-4902-873D-C18F9BD30238@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<247AF107-61D3-498C-989D-EB9068370733@mac.com>
	<F0AF1E4F-2E09-4820-A8DC-D8B6536D23C6@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<3474B463-1D87-4958-BF58-FCB0503116BE@mac.com>
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Hi Gordon

The problem with PDF on the mac is they're not navigable.  I.e., you cannot, (using Preview), navigate links.  For reasons which Adobe explained to me recently and which I passed along to the list, they cannot expose their documents to VoiceOver in an accessible manner.

Apple's policy of "cards close to the chest" is fine, sometimes.  But at other time it is self-defeating I think.  Certainly in the case of Adobe's Acrobat and Reader, it is a major hurdle for us.

Gordon

On 5 Jun 2010, at 18:02, Gordon Keen wrote:

Just to put my two pennies worth in, like Ester I use stanza to convert epub format books in to a more readable format - usually to .pdf files.   You only need to open the file and then use export in the files menu to select the file type you want to conver to, works like a charm
The only problem is that stanza doesn't like long file names so I use command plus i and change the file name to something nice and short before convering it and it seems to work best on the desktop not in other folders but if it works that way I can live with it.
.

Cheers

G

From glorious Devon, England.

On 5 Jun 2010, at 17:12, Esther wrote:

> Hi Gordon,
> 
snip

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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 21:00:44 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 21:00:44 +0100
Subject: VMWare Fusion 3.1 first impressions
In-Reply-To: <B5874F3C-0629-4266-A658-250FAB77C33C@hopewell.org.uk>
References: <16100D1A-9579-4AB9-BB47-21DCE6A3E49B@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<B5874F3C-0629-4266-A658-250FAB77C33C@hopewell.org.uk>
Message-ID: <AB0C80F4-E5AE-48A7-A27C-F37CCF3197EB@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Paul

Try connecting the Apple iSight without installing the Boot Camp drivers into your VN and you'll see what I mean.


On 5 Jun 2010, at 20:33, Paul Hopewell wrote:

Hi Gordon, 
I too have updated to the latest version of VMWare Fusion and agree that XP and Windows 7 64 bit are now much more responsive. 

However I am unclear about your comments on installing the latest Boot Camp drivers. I have never consciously done anything about boot camp on my iMac and have never knowingly used it. So are these boot camp  drivers relevant to me, and if so where do I get them from? I have only ever used Windows under VMware fusion emulation and have never chosen between Windows and MACOS at MAC boot time. 

Many thanks. 

Paul Hopewell 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun Jun  6 08:40:06 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 08:40:06 +0100
Subject: What on earth is going on with Apple's shipping process?
Message-ID: <8EA51BDA-526C-45A2-BBE0-1DC6C1FBD4A3@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

This will turn into something of a rant; and I apologise for that ? but I am absolutely livid!

OK, until this morning I thought Gordon was being a little paranoid about Apple's shipping problems. But now, having seen this, I agree with him 100%. They've let us down badly here.

But before I go any further, I need to add that in the case of Steve K, we know you've done everything you could for us Steve, and we are both grateful. Our issue is with sales, not products or software.

We have 3 outstanding Apple orders; one of which we were informed had shipped on 31 May, but due to the bank holiday here it was delayed by 24 hours. That, at least, is understandable. the other 2 we were told would ship towards the end of June.

The order that supposedly shipped on 1 June has had the following in the status page all week, until this morning:

Shipment Status: in transit to customer, shipment delayed.

I rang UPS Teesside on Friday and was told that although the tracking details are valid, they had no idea where the parcel was. No apology, nothing, just "it's lost".

Then, out of the blue on Friday evening, we got a notification that the order we had been told would not ship until 28 June has now shipped. Yesterday, we got another notification telling us that the second order has now also shipped. Again, the scheduled date was the end of June.

Regarding our first order, the iPad; now, on the Apple website order status page it says:

Estimated Delivery Status: 4 June, subject to change.

In the shipment status column, it says:
 "Current shipment status: En root to destination country, estimated arrival 4 to 5 business days".

What on earth are these people playing at? Are they running a monkey store here or something? It is simply not right to tell people to expect packages to arrive, then fool around with them like this.

Some people have to go to work! Some people have lives to live! Apple is doing nothing to enhance the reputation of its online store with this kind of behaviour I'm afraid. It is shocking bad management.

To cap that, they have the nerve to charge us for the shipment on the order that's less than ?78 Sterling. I have to say I'll think long and hard before I order from that store again. If this weren't so serious, it would be funny!

Sorry for the rant; but this really does annoy me. If I ran my business like that I'd have gone bust years ago; and rightly so.

In the case of our first order, an iPad 3G, Apple was quick enough to take the money and then invoice us. They should not have done that until the order was ready for despatch. I am going to look into this because it certainly used to be the case that companies weren't allowed to take money until items were sent. If that is no longer the case I'm going to have to re-evaluate our entire policy regarding online shopping; and definitely so with the Apple Store. Frankly, I am totally disgusted. I think we should be compensated for this appalling treatment.

Does anybody know who I can email at Apple about this, somebody high up in the sales structure I mean, not a trained monkey.

Come to think of it, I reckon they should think about employing trained monkeys in that store. They might do a better job.

Lynne


From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Sun Jun  6 11:19:55 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 12:19:55 +0200
Subject: What on earth is going on with Apple's shipping process?
In-Reply-To: <8EA51BDA-526C-45A2-BBE0-1DC6C1FBD4A3@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <8EA51BDA-526C-45A2-BBE0-1DC6C1FBD4A3@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1478CCF3-AC50-4695-BA4B-FE32CCCAB088@anarchie.org.uk>

Hello Lynne,

I don't know where the iPad ships from, but most of what we've had from Apple in the way of computers, iPods, etc. has come from Ireland and been shipped using UPS. We've had impeccable service every time, which is what makes me think that the problem is with UPS in the UK.

Now when it comes to any kind of parcel post in the UK, we have horror stories by the boatload. I can't tell you how many presents have gone missing between us and members of the family in the UK. It's caused an awful lot of tension in the family over the years.

Cheers,

Anne


On Jun 6, 2010, at 9:40 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> This will turn into something of a rant; and I apologise for that ? but I am absolutely livid!
> 
> OK, until this morning I thought Gordon was being a little paranoid about Apple's shipping problems. But now, having seen this, I agree with him 100%. They've let us down badly here.
> 
> But before I go any further, I need to add that in the case of Steve K, we know you've done everything you could for us Steve, and we are both grateful. Our issue is with sales, not products or software.
> 
> We have 3 outstanding Apple orders; one of which we were informed had shipped on 31 May, but due to the bank holiday here it was delayed by 24 hours. That, at least, is understandable. the other 2 we were told would ship towards the end of June.
> 
> The order that supposedly shipped on 1 June has had the following in the status page all week, until this morning:
> 
> Shipment Status: in transit to customer, shipment delayed.
> 
> I rang UPS Teesside on Friday and was told that although the tracking details are valid, they had no idea where the parcel was. No apology, nothing, just "it's lost".
> 
> Then, out of the blue on Friday evening, we got a notification that the order we had been told would not ship until 28 June has now shipped. Yesterday, we got another notification telling us that the second order has now also shipped. Again, the scheduled date was the end of June.
> 
> Regarding our first order, the iPad; now, on the Apple website order status page it says:
> 
> Estimated Delivery Status: 4 June, subject to change.
> 
> In the shipment status column, it says:
> "Current shipment status: En root to destination country, estimated arrival 4 to 5 business days".
> 
> What on earth are these people playing at? Are they running a monkey store here or something? It is simply not right to tell people to expect packages to arrive, then fool around with them like this.
> 
> Some people have to go to work! Some people have lives to live! Apple is doing nothing to enhance the reputation of its online store with this kind of behaviour I'm afraid. It is shocking bad management.
> 
> To cap that, they have the nerve to charge us for the shipment on the order that's less than ?78 Sterling. I have to say I'll think long and hard before I order from that store again. If this weren't so serious, it would be funny!
> 
> Sorry for the rant; but this really does annoy me. If I ran my business like that I'd have gone bust years ago; and rightly so.
> 
> In the case of our first order, an iPad 3G, Apple was quick enough to take the money and then invoice us. They should not have done that until the order was ready for despatch. I am going to look into this because it certainly used to be the case that companies weren't allowed to take money until items were sent. If that is no longer the case I'm going to have to re-evaluate our entire policy regarding online shopping; and definitely so with the Apple Store. Frankly, I am totally disgusted. I think we should be compensated for this appalling treatment.
> 
> Does anybody know who I can email at Apple about this, somebody high up in the sales structure I mean, not a trained monkey.
> 
> Come to think of it, I reckon they should think about employing trained monkeys in that store. They might do a better job.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun Jun  6 12:24:28 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 12:24:28 +0100
Subject: What on earth is going on with Apple's shipping process?
In-Reply-To: <1478CCF3-AC50-4695-BA4B-FE32CCCAB088@anarchie.org.uk>
References: <8EA51BDA-526C-45A2-BBE0-1DC6C1FBD4A3@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<1478CCF3-AC50-4695-BA4B-FE32CCCAB088@anarchie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <5994C6FA-E333-40EB-B106-D3DDF8890315@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Anne

On 6 Jun 2010, at 11:19, Anne Robertson wrote:

? I don't know where the iPad ships from, but most of what we've had from Apple in the way of computers, iPods, etc. has come from Ireland and been shipped using UPS. We've had impeccable service every time, which is what makes me think that the problem is with UPS in the UK.

That's what I cannot understand. It is coming from Ireland as that is the store where all of the European sales are based I believe.

The point here though Anne is that Apple themselves keep changing their minds on dates of orders. We're being messed around something dreadful.

Apple needs to start thinking more about its customers because they're in danger of going the same way as other big companies do; putting their greed first.

And again, other companies provide guaranteed shipping, often next-day delivery. Why cannot Apple do the same? Apple's shipping policies are appalling as far as I'm concerned. It's what lets down the entire company.

This, I might add, is the fourth time we've had problems like this. Yes, on 2 occasions UPS lost the packages. On the third, Apple simply didn't send it out, it transpired.

? Now when it comes to any kind of parcel post in the UK, we have horror stories by the boatload. I can't tell you how many presents have gone missing between us and members of the family in the UK. It's caused an awful lot of tension in the family over the years.

I totally agree with that. That is why Apple needs, in my opinion, to buck their ideas up and start doing things properly instead of on the cheap. My guess is that they've taken out a low level service contract with UPS and hope "for the best" is their modus operandi.

I suppose that when it comes down to it, it's a case of caveat emptor, (let the buyer beware). All the same; I have to admit I'm pretty angry about this. Including the iPad and all the accessories I ordered for Gordon, (wireless keyboard, keyboard dock and case), I've just given Apple the best part of 800 Pounds.

When I spend that sort of money, I expect, even demand, better treatment than that which I'm receiving from them. As a final point, regardless of whether its UPS or Apple who is at fault, the contract of sales which I agreed too is between me and Apple, not me and UPS. Apple has a duty to ensure the good arrive promptly and completely and, in our case, they're failing miserably to do that. They just don't seem to care about their customers; as long as they get the money.

Lynne, in rant mode again. ;-)



From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Sun Jun  6 12:43:19 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 12:43:19 +0100
Subject: What on earth is going on with Apple's shipping process?
In-Reply-To: <5994C6FA-E333-40EB-B106-D3DDF8890315@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <8EA51BDA-526C-45A2-BBE0-1DC6C1FBD4A3@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<1478CCF3-AC50-4695-BA4B-FE32CCCAB088@anarchie.org.uk>
	<5994C6FA-E333-40EB-B106-D3DDF8890315@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6DE268B0-CCCE-4BDF-8E71-D99B9FE75529@gmail.com>

Hi Lynne, 

You were asking in a previous message about whether companies could charge for products before shipment. I don't know the answer to this either, but whenever we  have used Amazon, either here or in France, they have only charged us after the items have shipped. This has also been my experience when ordering from the Apple Online Store - unless of course I missed something. :)

You also asked who you should E-Mail regarding your problems with Sales. There should be a sales feedback page on Apple's site but I would go straight to the top if I were you and E-Mail Steve Jobs directly. Or at least CC him into your E-Mail to Sales.

Sorry I can't be more helpful.

TC
James 
On 6 Jun 2010, at 12:24, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Anne
> 
> On 6 Jun 2010, at 11:19, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
> ? I don't know where the iPad ships from, but most of what we've had from Apple in the way of computers, iPods, etc. has come from Ireland and been shipped using UPS. We've had impeccable service every time, which is what makes me think that the problem is with UPS in the UK.
> 
> That's what I cannot understand. It is coming from Ireland as that is the store where all of the European sales are based I believe.
> 
> The point here though Anne is that Apple themselves keep changing their minds on dates of orders. We're being messed around something dreadful.
> 
> Apple needs to start thinking more about its customers because they're in danger of going the same way as other big companies do; putting their greed first.
> 
> And again, other companies provide guaranteed shipping, often next-day delivery. Why cannot Apple do the same? Apple's shipping policies are appalling as far as I'm concerned. It's what lets down the entire company.
> 
> This, I might add, is the fourth time we've had problems like this. Yes, on 2 occasions UPS lost the packages. On the third, Apple simply didn't send it out, it transpired.
> 
> ? Now when it comes to any kind of parcel post in the UK, we have horror stories by the boatload. I can't tell you how many presents have gone missing between us and members of the family in the UK. It's caused an awful lot of tension in the family over the years.
> 
> I totally agree with that. That is why Apple needs, in my opinion, to buck their ideas up and start doing things properly instead of on the cheap. My guess is that they've taken out a low level service contract with UPS and hope "for the best" is their modus operandi.
> 
> I suppose that when it comes down to it, it's a case of caveat emptor, (let the buyer beware). All the same; I have to admit I'm pretty angry about this. Including the iPad and all the accessories I ordered for Gordon, (wireless keyboard, keyboard dock and case), I've just given Apple the best part of 800 Pounds.
> 
> When I spend that sort of money, I expect, even demand, better treatment than that which I'm receiving from them. As a final point, regardless of whether its UPS or Apple who is at fault, the contract of sales which I agreed too is between me and Apple, not me and UPS. Apple has a duty to ensure the good arrive promptly and completely and, in our case, they're failing miserably to do that. They just don't seem to care about their customers; as long as they get the money.
> 
> Lynne, in rant mode again. ;-)
> 
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun Jun  6 14:08:12 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 14:08:12 +0100
Subject: What on earth is going on with Apple's shipping process?
In-Reply-To: <6DE268B0-CCCE-4BDF-8E71-D99B9FE75529@gmail.com>
References: <8EA51BDA-526C-45A2-BBE0-1DC6C1FBD4A3@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<1478CCF3-AC50-4695-BA4B-FE32CCCAB088@anarchie.org.uk>
	<5994C6FA-E333-40EB-B106-D3DDF8890315@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<6DE268B0-CCCE-4BDF-8E71-D99B9FE75529@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95A660FE-4339-4F15-B655-3D2262BC92D1@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello James


On 6 Jun 2010, at 12:43, James & Nash wrote:

? You were asking in a previous message about whether companies could charge for products before shipment. I don't know the answer to this either, but whenever we  have used Amazon, either here or in France, they have only charged us after the items have shipped. This has also been my experience when ordering from the Apple Online Store - unless of course I missed something. :)

I am told that, under the trade descriptions act of 1998, a vendor is not supposed to charge the customer for good if that good is not currently in stock at the point of despatch.

If the latest tracking information is to be believed and, assuming that comes from Apple, they have charged us in full knowledge of the fact they weren't able to ship the goods.

According to the status page, the good are en route to the destination country and should arrive within 4 to 5 business days.

Be that as it may, Apple's notification policies are dreadful. They gave us an initial estimated shipment date of 7 June. Then, that changed by way of a notification we received on 31 May. The bank holiday did, understandably, create a short delay. But then, Apple's revised date was 4 June, that was a delivery estimate.

4 June came and went, with no change in the status. This morning the page was updated to tell us that the item is en route to the destination country and we could expect a wait of 4 to 5 business days till it hits the UK. Then another day to get it to us.

Apple has already charged us, and wasted no time in invoicing us for the goods.

? You also asked who you should E-Mail regarding your problems with Sales. There should be a sales feedback page on Apple's site but I would go straight to the top if I were you and E-Mail Steve Jobs directly. Or at least CC him into your E-Mail to Sales.

To be honest James, I doubt Mr. Jobs would concern himself with something this minor ? which is undoubtedly how top brass would see it.

I think it better to go to somebody within the sales area, at least initially.

I find the whole episode very disappointing because it's all so unnecessary. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a high level of service. Even PC World here in the UK give better service than I'm getting from Apple Online here ? and that is saying something!

Lynne



From gillian at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk  Sun Jun  6 19:41:06 2010
From: gillian at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk (Gillian Hadley)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 19:41:06 +0100
Subject: Entering text in iPhone Apps
Message-ID: <7CC89A6C-2559-4990-9696-2CBA095EF636@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk>

Hello group

I have had an iphone for a while now and I have a question. If I want to use a programme that has text input needed like for instance mail or something how do I know when my text is actually going in to the boxes? I mean if I touch the screen in the wrong place as I always do and it says something like password when I double tapped on a text field does that mean I have to start all over again because I came out of the text box?

It is frustrating me and I am sorry because I have problems with my fingers ad the best of times and I want to use the iphoned for typing if I can.

Lynne and Gordon are going to show me their ipad if they get the thing and I might et 1 if I can type it better.

Lynne says that you can pulg a keyboard on to it and thats what she has ordered for Gordon.

But for now can somebod possibly help me with my ipone queries? I keep jumping to areas outside the keyboard area or the text box when I am trying to type. So do I have to start all over again? I doubler tapped to ecit like it says to do but it still jumps around.

Thjank you for any help and I am sorry for sounding so stupid.

Gillian



From grtdane at internode.on.net  Sun Jun  6 19:51:38 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 04:51:38 +1000
Subject: Entering text in iPhone Apps
In-Reply-To: <7CC89A6C-2559-4990-9696-2CBA095EF636@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk>
References: <7CC89A6C-2559-4990-9696-2CBA095EF636@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E0A8F884-C672-407F-9AA7-CA18B3657E86@internode.on.net>

Hi!

Normally if you touch the screen in the wrong place by accident then nothing will happen as you have to double-tap or split-tap a character on the keyboard to enter it.

Have you tried the split-tapping method for text entry? For example use a finger of your left hand to find the character you wish to enter into a text box, hold your finger on the character and with a finger of the right hand tap anywhere on the screen, you'll hear the character echoed to confirm its been entered into the text box.

I'm left-handed so alter the example I give below accordingly.  I use the index finger of the left hand to locate the letter I want, you can do this by sliding the finger around the keyboard on the screen or in my case I just lift it from one finger to the next on the keyboard as I'm pretty used to it now.

Having located the letter I want I use the index finger of the right hand to tap anywhere on the screen to enter that letter into the text box I'm working with, I find the split-tap method of keyboard entry far faster than double-tapping though I'm sure others may feel differently <smile>.

You may also find that you can easily access the keyboard in "landscape" mode if the app you're working with offers this facility, in "Landscape" mode the keyboard is wider from left to right.  To go into "Landscape" mode torn the phone so that the ear piece end is to the left and the home button to the right, the edge with the volume up-down button and the mute switch is the bottom one, if the app supports it Iphone will say "Landscape mode".

As a final note to this I'd like to ad that you're not the first one to have difficulty with the Iphone and you won't be the last, I know quite a few people who just cannot use one and its been a huge disappointment to them so they've found usable alternatives in phones from different manufacturers and so on.  One chap I know had very shaky fingers thus whenever he dared touch the screen the Iphone interpreted every movement he made as a "Double-tap".


On 07/06/2010, at 4:41 AM, Gillian Hadley wrote:

> Hello group
> 
> I have had an iphone for a while now and I have a question. If I want to use a programme that has text input needed like for instance mail or something how do I know when my text is actually going in to the boxes? I mean if I touch the screen in the wrong place as I always do and it says something like password when I double tapped on a text field does that mean I have to start all over again because I came out of the text box?
> 
> It is frustrating me and I am sorry because I have problems with my fingers ad the best of times and I want to use the iphoned for typing if I can.
> 
> Lynne and Gordon are going to show me their ipad if they get the thing and I might et 1 if I can type it better.
> 
> Lynne says that you can pulg a keyboard on to it and thats what she has ordered for Gordon.
> 
> But for now can somebod possibly help me with my ipone queries? I keep jumping to areas outside the keyboard area or the text box when I am trying to type. So do I have to start all over again? I doubler tapped to ecit like it says to do but it still jumps around.
> 
> Thjank you for any help and I am sorry for sounding so stupid.
> 
> Gillian
> 
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun Jun  6 20:10:33 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 20:10:33 +0100
Subject: Entering text in iPhone Apps
In-Reply-To: <E0A8F884-C672-407F-9AA7-CA18B3657E86@internode.on.net>
References: <7CC89A6C-2559-4990-9696-2CBA095EF636@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk>
	<E0A8F884-C672-407F-9AA7-CA18B3657E86@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <0C2981D5-026C-4D23-ABD1-AE8922318D50@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello I am at Gordon and Lynnes house by the way at the moment and they are both trying to show me these things.

But it is not their fault I cannot get it right. I will try the 2 handed way. Gordon suggested that a while ago and I just don't know how he manages because he types fast into it. But I thought I would ask the group anyway.

We are playing with a programme that checks your apple store delivery status at the minute and we aren't sure how you have to register to use it. But it is asking for email address and password. So is that the address your id is on the Apple store? Or do you have to get registerd on the site of the programmer first to get your delivery status in the phone?

I will try the landscape mode although I always have used the phone held tight in my hand with the headphone plug at the top and it is vertical.

It maies me feel really stupid when I cannot do these things the way you people can.

Thanks Gillian


On 6 Jun 2010, at 19:51, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Hi!

Normally if you touch the screen in the wrong place by accident then nothing will happen as you have to double-tap or split-tap a character on the keyboard to enter it.

Have you tried the split-tapping method for text entry? For example use a finger of your left hand to find the character you wish to enter into a text box, hold your finger on the character and with a finger of the right hand tap anywhere on the screen, you'll hear the character echoed to confirm its been entered into the text box.

I'm left-handed so alter the example I give below accordingly.  I use the index finger of the left hand to locate the letter I want, you can do this by sliding the finger around the keyboard on the screen or in my case I just lift it from one finger to the next on the keyboard as I'm pretty used to it now.

Having located the letter I want I use the index finger of the right hand to tap anywhere on the screen to enter that letter into the text box I'm working with, I find the split-tap method of keyboard entry far faster than double-tapping though I'm sure others may feel differently <smile>.

You may also find that you can easily access the keyboard in "landscape" mode if the app you're working with offers this facility, in "Landscape" mode the keyboard is wider from left to right.  To go into "Landscape" mode torn the phone so that the ear piece end is to the left and the home button to the right, the edge with the volume up-down button and the mute switch is the bottom one, if the app supports it Iphone will say "Landscape mode".

As a final note to this I'd like to ad that you're not the first one to have difficulty with the Iphone and you won't be the last, I know quite a few people who just cannot use one and its been a huge disappointment to them so they've found usable alternatives in phones from different manufacturers and so on.  One chap I know had very shaky fingers thus whenever he dared touch the screen the Iphone interpreted every movement he made as a "Double-tap".


On 07/06/2010, at 4:41 AM, Gillian Hadley wrote:

> Hello group
> 
> I have had an iphone for a while now and I have a question. If I want to use a programme that has text input needed like for instance mail or something how do I know when my text is actually going in to the boxes? I mean if I touch the screen in the wrong place as I always do and it says something like password when I double tapped on a text field does that mean I have to start all over again because I came out of the text box?
> 
> It is frustrating me and I am sorry because I have problems with my fingers ad the best of times and I want to use the iphoned for typing if I can.
> 
> Lynne and Gordon are going to show me their ipad if they get the thing and I might et 1 if I can type it better.
> 
> Lynne says that you can pulg a keyboard on to it and thats what she has ordered for Gordon.
> 
> But for now can somebod possibly help me with my ipone queries? I keep jumping to areas outside the keyboard area or the text box when I am trying to type. So do I have to start all over again? I doubler tapped to ecit like it says to do but it still jumps around.
> 
> Thjank you for any help and I am sorry for sounding so stupid.
> 
> Gillian
> 
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From cjsims at me.com  Sun Jun  6 21:11:06 2010
From: cjsims at me.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 06:11:06 +1000
Subject: Entering text in iPhone Apps
In-Reply-To: <7CC89A6C-2559-4990-9696-2CBA095EF636@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk>
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Hi.  In short, you don't need to start over.  Provided you don't doubletap another field, you would still be in the first field.  I hope that you understand this. 


Christopher  Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 M:0418558275

On 07/06/2010, at 4:41 AM, Gillian Hadley wrote:

> Hello group
> 
> I have had an iphone for a while now and I have a question. If I want to use a programme that has text input needed like for instance mail or something how do I know when my text is actually going in to the boxes? I mean if I touch the screen in the wrong place as I always do and it says something like password when I double tapped on a text field does that mean I have to start all over again because I came out of the text box?
> 
> It is frustrating me and I am sorry because I have problems with my fingers ad the best of times and I want to use the iphoned for typing if I can.
> 
> Lynne and Gordon are going to show me their ipad if they get the thing and I might et 1 if I can type it better.
> 
> Lynne says that you can pulg a keyboard on to it and thats what she has ordered for Gordon.
> 
> But for now can somebod possibly help me with my ipone queries? I keep jumping to areas outside the keyboard area or the text box when I am trying to type. So do I have to start all over again? I doubler tapped to ecit like it says to do but it still jumps around.
> 
> Thjank you for any help and I am sorry for sounding so stupid.
> 
> Gillian
> 
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From gillian at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk  Sun Jun  6 21:33:25 2010
From: gillian at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk (Gillian Hadley)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:33:25 +0100
Subject: Entering text in iPhone Apps
In-Reply-To: <29311A03-7567-4BD6-874D-5F0106E8FEAC@me.com>
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	<29311A03-7567-4BD6-874D-5F0106E8FEAC@me.com>
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Hello to you.

I understand yes. But itew itsn'ty easy for me as I have bad problems with my fingers. IO cannot make more than 1 finger do what I want it to do at any 1 time.

That is why I have problems. Its easier for you who have full control of your hands. Even fastening buttons is hard for me so you can understand why the iphone is hard.

i am sorry for coming across awkward but i gert very frustrated when I canbot do things properly.

Gillian

On 6 Jun 2010, at 21:11, Christopher Sims wrote:

Hi.  In short, you don't need to start over.  Provided you don't doubletap another field, you would still be in the first field.  I hope that you understand this. 


Christopher  Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 M:0418558275

On 07/06/2010, at 4:41 AM, Gillian Hadley wrote:

> Hello group
> 
> I have had an iphone for a while now and I have a question. If I want to use a programme that has text input needed like for instance mail or something how do I know when my text is actually going in to the boxes? I mean if I touch the screen in the wrong place as I always do and it says something like password when I double tapped on a text field does that mean I have to start all over again because I came out of the text box?
> 
> It is frustrating me and I am sorry because I have problems with my fingers ad the best of times and I want to use the iphoned for typing if I can.
> 
> Lynne and Gordon are going to show me their ipad if they get the thing and I might et 1 if I can type it better.
> 
> Lynne says that you can pulg a keyboard on to it and thats what she has ordered for Gordon.
> 
> But for now can somebod possibly help me with my ipone queries? I keep jumping to areas outside the keyboard area or the text box when I am trying to type. So do I have to start all over again? I doubler tapped to ecit like it says to do but it still jumps around.
> 
> Thjank you for any help and I am sorry for sounding so stupid.
> 
> Gillian
> 
> 
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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Sun Jun  6 21:53:15 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 21:53:15 +0100
Subject: Delivery Status Programme
Message-ID: <A163514B-FF37-4C74-87C9-A393F4B23305@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

Yes, it is me this time, not Gillian. She's just gone home actually, still quite frustrated. But I'll try again with her tomorrow.

Anyway, she did raise an interesting point.  I just looked at the delivery status programme which Esther referred us to the other week.  I'm puzzled.  Are there different versions to track different vendors, or do you have to set it somewhere for Apple?  I click on Settings, and then Register and enter my E-Mail address.  But it doesn't like it because it seems, the default is for Amazon.

I'll go and try again though because maybe this might shed more light on our current Apple difficulties if I can get it to work.

Gordon


From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Sun Jun  6 22:13:43 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 22:13:43 +0100
Subject: Entering text in iPhone Apps
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Hi Gillian,
On 6 Jun 2010, at 21:33, Gillian Hadley wrote:
> I understand yes. But itew itsn'ty easy for me as I have bad problems with my fingers. IO cannot make more than 1 finger do what I want it to do at any 1 time.
> 
> That is why I have problems. Its easier for you who have full control of your hands. Even 
> fastening buttons is hard for me so you can understand why the iphone is hard.
I have a friend who is in a similar situaiton to you. Perhaps I can help a little as I have been able to instruct him on the use of his IPhone. I assume you are using Voice Over yes? If so, you can run your finger across the screen and highlight a button or a letter and then with another finger tap anywhere on the screen. This will activate the button or letter you first selected. 

> i am sorry for coming across awkward but i gert very frustrated when I canbot do things properly.
That's no problem :) There is an application called Vlingo which you can use to dictate texts and E-Mails. I cannot remember how much it is but you'll find it in the Apps Store. The only difficulty you might have is that you need to use your thumb and fore finger like a wheel to paste the dictated text into a message or an E-Mail. This is the aspect of the application that my friend has the problem with.
Hope this helps 
TC
James 
> Hello to you.
> 
> I understand yes. But itew itsn'ty easy for me as I have bad problems with my fingers. IO cannot make more than 1 finger do what I want it to do at any 1 time.
> 
> That is why I have problems. Its easier for you who have full control of your hands. Even fastening buttons is hard for me so you can understand why the iphone is hard.
> 
> i am sorry for coming across awkward but i gert very frustrated when I canbot do things properly.
> 
> Gillian
> 
> On 6 Jun 2010, at 21:11, Christopher Sims wrote:
> 
> Hi.  In short, you don't need to start over.  Provided you don't doubletap another field, you would still be in the first field.  I hope that you understand this. 
> 
> 
> Christopher  Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 M:0418558275
> 
> On 07/06/2010, at 4:41 AM, Gillian Hadley wrote:
> 
>> Hello group
>> 
>> I have had an iphone for a while now and I have a question. If I want to use a programme that has text input needed like for instance mail or something how do I know when my text is actually going in to the boxes? I mean if I touch the screen in the wrong place as I always do and it says something like password when I double tapped on a text field does that mean I have to start all over again because I came out of the text box?
>> 
>> It is frustrating me and I am sorry because I have problems with my fingers ad the best of times and I want to use the iphoned for typing if I can.
>> 
>> Lynne and Gordon are going to show me their ipad if they get the thing and I might et 1 if I can type it better.
>> 
>> Lynne says that you can pulg a keyboard on to it and thats what she has ordered for Gordon.
>> 
>> But for now can somebod possibly help me with my ipone queries? I keep jumping to areas outside the keyboard area or the text box when I am trying to type. So do I have to start all over again? I doubler tapped to ecit like it says to do but it still jumps around.
>> 
>> Thjank you for any help and I am sorry for sounding so stupid.
>> 
>> Gillian
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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From moriond at mac.com  Mon Jun  7 05:28:10 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:28:10 -1000
Subject: Delivery Status Programme
In-Reply-To: <A163514B-FF37-4C74-87C9-A393F4B23305@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <A163514B-FF37-4C74-87C9-A393F4B23305@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FF1B2B0D-BC6A-48BF-BAF1-734B6E026901@mac.com>

Hi Gordon,

You wrote:
>  I just looked at the delivery status programme which Esther  
> referred us to the other week.  I'm puzzled.  Are there different  
> versions to track different vendors, or do you have to set it  
> somewhere for Apple?  I click on Settings, and then Register and  
> enter my E-Mail address.  But it doesn't like it because it seems,  
> the default is for Amazon.

If you're talking about the "Delivery Status Touch" app for the iPhone  
or iPod Touch, on the screen to "Add Delivery" you double tap the  
"From" field to select the service or vendor you want to track.   
You'll bring up an alphabetically ordered list with an entry for  
"Amazon.com" at the top of the list as the current selection.  Flick  
down to the vendor you want to select, and double tap. This could be  
"Apple" (near the top of the list) or "UPS" (near the end of the list;  
use the three finger swipe up five or six times to page down to the  
end of the list).  There are two options for Apple that I can use:  
"Apple (by email address)" or "Apple (by zip code)". These correspond  
to the two different login fields for checking on Apple order status  
on the web: Apple userid and password, or shipping address zip code  
and order number. Once you've selected a vendor from the "From" screen  
list you'll be taken back to fill in a description or label of your  
choice for the order and other information such as shipping zip code,  
password, or order Confirmation number. For tracking or confirmation  
numbers, I generally use cut or copy and paste to insert the  
information.  As previously mentioned in other posts, the free  
Simplenote app by Codality is great for things like this, especially  
if I want to type or paste in text from my desktop and pass this  
information on to an app on my iPhone.  I'll open up the (similarly  
free) Notational Velocity program on my Mac, and paste in tracking  
numbers, then use the fact that this is set to sync with my Simplenote  
app.  You can also work entirely from your iPhone, if you have a mail  
message with the tracking information you want to paste in. I  
typically select all and then delete the sections I don't want in the  
pasted in note rather than taking time to adjust my selection to the  
specific string (which is also doable).  Note that in order to select  
with the rotor, you need to be in an editable field, so double tap the  
"Reply" button so you can set your rotor to edit, select all, and copy.

Delivery Status Touch will automatically update status any time the  
app is launched, if an internet connection is present.  If an internet  
connection is not present, it will report on the last status in its  
cache.  You'll get a summary message with the item label you typed in,  
and the status.  This could be an announcement like, for example, "USB  
Camera Kit for iPad, 15 days, not yet shipped, deliver by 21 June". Or  
it could be announcement that says, "in transit", or "delivered" with  
the date and location of delivery.  The information is based on what  
you would get if you logged into the page for checking your Apple  
order status.  If you double tap on the listed entry, you get a more  
detailed screen of information, including the confirmation and order  
number or tracking number (in the case of UPS, FedEx, the USPS, DHL,  
Royal Mail, etc.), along with a link to "View details online" and a  
second link to "Share this delivery" that lets you email the summary  
information.

The "View details online" link logs you into your Apple (or Amazon,  
etc.) purchase information page. This can suddenly update the ship  
date, and then the Delivery Status app will reflect the updated  
information.

I generally create a separate entry under the shipper, as well, once  
notification is received of a separate tracking number.  This saves  
you having to navigate through the "online" pages to get to the  
shipping link.  Also, in some cases there won't be a direct link to  
the shipper.

There's quite a lot of information on the developper's main web page,  
and the "Settings" button in the bottom left corner of the app also  
has a "Help" button, as well as a button that lets you sync  
information to your JuneCloud account, if you have one.  I don't  
bother with this, because I only have one iPod Touch, but if you want  
to sync information between more than one iPhone or iPod Touch, you  
can create an account at JuneCloud.  Then you can register or sign  
into this account from any iPhone, iPod Touch, or computer and have it  
share all the current information.  It's not at all necessary to  
create an account if you just want to track and update orders using  
app entries on a single device.

HTH.  This is really quite a good app, by the way, and works quite  
well internationally.

Cheers,

Esther

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Jun  7 10:26:22 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 10:26:22 +0100
Subject: iPad
Message-ID: <72CEAAB3-0D8A-466C-92B5-710D1E9F828C@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

The status of my iPad order has miraculously changed again, according to the tracking website.

Yesterday at this time, it was listed as on route to the destination country with the next expected status update in 4 to 5 business days.  Now, however, it is listed as out for delivery.

So it seems that there was indeed a mix-up somewhere and it has now been resolved.  With luck, I should have my iPad and keyboard dock later today.

I'm wondering whether I dare push my luck, and ask Lynne if I can please have an aFrame which is a Griffin Technology iPad stand.  Maybe if I'm nice to her when she comes home for lunch, she might let me. :)

Anyway, I'm hoping the end of this saga is now in sight.  If so, I will let the group know how I find the iPad when I get it.  I may even record and podcast my initial setup procedure.

Gordon



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Jun  7 11:46:01 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:46:01 +0100
Subject: iPad Has Landed!
Message-ID: <C4BB32FD-D854-433E-92ED-C551CD52D4AF@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

Within the last 60 seconds, quite literally, I have taken delivery of my new iPad.

I'm so excited, like Christmas!

Steve K, you might want to call off the dogs of war! :)

Gordon


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Mon Jun  7 12:02:27 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 21:02:27 +1000
Subject: Fire -- Field Recorder
Message-ID: <3211D78A-F1FD-4E9D-BA40-7A7B2D35F211@internode.on.net>

Hi everyone!

Yep, I can confirm this app is extremely accessible on the Iphone, so much to learn and so little time <smile>, I've recorded with the app already and I would have to say that this is the most amazing app I've bought for the Iphone yet and probably the biggest bargain I've got as similar "stand-alone" recording devices would be in the high hundreds of Australian dollars to purchase.

I know someone with an Ipad who also uses this software and he can't sing the praises of it enough.

I'm still to work out how you play what you've recorded but I'l l get there eventually I'm sure.

Now I just have to wait till pay day to see if I can get some extra gear to make those recordings even better - another microphone and that sort of thing -.


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From cjsims at me.com  Mon Jun  7 12:04:04 2010
From: cjsims at me.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 21:04:04 +1000
Subject: Connecting to Mobileme idisk public folder from Windows machine.
Message-ID: <C8912708-8664-4808-A043-620177A665A1@me.com>

Hi.  A friend of mine who is running windows is attempting to connect to my idisk public folder from his Windows PC.  When he tries to do this, the following occurs.  he puts in the url of
www.public.me.com/cjsims
when he does this though he gets an Internet explorer can't open the page.  Why is this?

He is wanting to upload a file.  All help on this would be mutch appreciated.   I should say that I have it set to allow people to write files in my public folder.  
Christopher  Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 M:0418558275


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Jun  7 13:08:15 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 13:08:15 +0100
Subject: Connecting to Mobileme idisk public folder from Windows machine.
In-Reply-To: <C8912708-8664-4808-A043-620177A665A1@me.com>
References: <C8912708-8664-4808-A043-620177A665A1@me.com>
Message-ID: <B5040347-3033-4A6F-8221-AA6DCA4D9E28@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Chris

This is wrong!  Try this instead, as Lynne told you the other day:

http://idisk.me.com/username/public/

Gordon

On 7 Jun 2010, at 12:04, Christopher Sims wrote:

Hi.  A friend of mine who is running windows is attempting to connect to my idisk public folder from his Windows PC.  When he tries to do this, the following occurs.  he puts in the url of
www.public.me.com/cjsims
when he does this though he gets an Internet explorer can't open the page.  Why is this?

He is wanting to upload a file.  All help on this would be mutch appreciated.   I should say that I have it set to allow people to write files in my public folder.  
Christopher  Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 M:0418558275

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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Jun  7 13:16:10 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 13:16:10 +0100
Subject: iPad, first impressions
Message-ID: <1F70ECD5-CC3A-43D8-839B-2EA1DB792062@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

OK, first impressions.  iPad 3G came, in my case, without an eject tool it seems.  Usually they're fixed inside of the printed documentation, but not this time.

Also, I cannot locate the tiny little hole in the micro-SIM tray so that I can use a paperclip to eject it.  I have no desire to scratch or mark my lovely new iPad, so that will have to wait until my eyes come home later on.  She didn't come home for lunch due to a crisis at work.

However, I plugged iPad into MacBook Pro, and turned it on.  It found iPad, no problem.

The registration screen is odd.  I click the link that says "Use my Apple ID" and enter my details.  There is an unlabelled button next to the password edit area which just produces a double tone when you press it, but the screen doesn't change.

No matter what I do I cannot get iTunes to log into the server using my Apple ID to pick up my details.

That's as far as I've got at the moment.  I did try mouse-clicking the buttons and links, by the way, as well as closing and re-interacting with the iTunes Store Web Area.  No effect.

So I'm currently a little puzzled there.  If iTunes automatically logs into my account, which it does, I'd have thought that it would already have the details available.  Seems not.  So I'll keep trying.

Gordon


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Jun  7 16:10:49 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:10:49 +0100
Subject: A Day Full Of Surprises
Message-ID: <7F2DDC9A-9203-4CEE-9CEE-CCCA64E4A472@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

I got a bonus!  As well as the iPad arriving, the keyboard/dock arrived unexpectedly.  The tracking page said that it wasn't due for delivery till tomorrow, but the same man who brought the iPad earlier in the day came back as he'd overlooked the second parcel for me on the van.

I have a couple of comments and a couple of questions.  First, I was just a little bit disappointed that you cannot control the main screens via keyboard.  It looks as though the main screen has to be done from the touch screen itself.  Keyboard only seems to work for direct data entry in text fields etc.

There are keys for the search, home and volume functions, as well as the screen lock and the caps lock works as well everywhere.  But I cannot find any way of controlling VoiceOver via the keyboard when the iPad is standing upright in its dock.

Which leads me to my question.  In iTunes, under the device settings > Summary tab, how do you change the name of a device?  I've done it before with my iPod and iPhone, but I cannot see a way to do it with VoiceOver for the iPad.  The manual says you can double-click the name to change it, so I know you can actually do it.

I've tried doing a double-mouse-click, pressing enter on the name, using VO+Shift+Space, no results.  What am i doing wrong?

The speaker audio from the iPad is beautiful!  The big screen is nice, Gillian might actually be able to use it because the sliders are so much bigger.

But I still think I need a stand for it so I can keep it upright without a keyboard on the front.

Anyway, I'm pleased.

Gordon


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Jun  7 18:50:17 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 18:50:17 +0100
Subject: Restoring from Recovery Mode
Message-ID: <A388B7EA-9D8B-4B57-BEE9-0426350A83D5@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

OK, I have my first iPad problem. The iPad went to download carrier updated info and hit a problem.  So I had no choice but to try and restore to factory defaults.

Problem now is that I cannot get the damned thing out of recovery mode.  I am performing the following steps:

1.  Unplug the docking connector.

2.  Pressing and holding the sleep/wake button and the home button until the screen goes dark and iPad goes off.

3.  Press and hold the Home button whilst plugging in the Docking connector.  iTunes is coming back with the "iTunes has detected an iPad in recovery mode. You must restore the iPad before it can be used with iTunes" text.

How, therefore, do you restore a device when it's in recovery mode?

This seems to work the same as the iPhone and iPod Touch - but because there are no device setting parameters available in iTunes, I cannot just restore the firmware.

Any tips please?

Gordon



From moriond at mac.com  Mon Jun  7 20:20:25 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 09:20:25 -1000
Subject: Restoring from Recovery Mode
In-Reply-To: <A388B7EA-9D8B-4B57-BEE9-0426350A83D5@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <A388B7EA-9D8B-4B57-BEE9-0426350A83D5@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3B3B4551-04A2-4DAB-9E96-8A380EBBD625@mac.com>

Hi Gordon,

You should be able to restore in recovery mode and get back to the  
Apple Factory default settings.  It sounds like you went through the  
right procedure.  If you got the message that iTunes detected your  
device in recovery mode, can you confirm the device is selected in the  
sources table under Devices and then navigate to the Summary tab in  
order to select the restore option? If you can't see the device in  
iTunes, you can try to go through the steps to place the device in  
recovery mode again.

I just checked the Apple support documents.  One thing to try if you  
can't get through the restore is to try disconnecting the iPad and  
then restarting your computer before you try again to connect and  
restore the device.  Apparently, that often fixes problems.   Other  
than that you seem to be doing the right things. I'll try to read  
through the other suggestions in the Update and Alert messages article:
<http://support.apple.com/kb/ts1275>

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

Cheers,

Esther

On Jun 7, 2010, at 07:50, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
>
> OK, I have my first iPad problem. The iPad went to download carrier  
> updated info and hit a problem.  So I had no choice but to try and  
> restore to factory defaults.
>
> Problem now is that I cannot get the damned thing out of recovery  
> mode.  I am performing the following steps:
>
> 1.  Unplug the docking connector.
>
> 2.  Pressing and holding the sleep/wake button and the home button  
> until the screen goes dark and iPad goes off.
>
> 3.  Press and hold the Home button whilst plugging in the Docking  
> connector.  iTunes is coming back with the "iTunes has detected an  
> iPad in recovery mode. You must restore the iPad before it can be  
> used with iTunes" text.
>
> How, therefore, do you restore a device when it's in recovery mode?
>
> This seems to work the same as the iPhone and iPod Touch - but  
> because there are no device setting parameters available in iTunes,  
> I cannot just restore the firmware.
>
> Any tips please?
>
> Gordon
>
>


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Mon Jun  7 20:32:30 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 05:32:30 +1000
Subject: Further thoughts on Fire -- Field Recorder
Message-ID: <8951E1B9-BA24-4A1C-86BA-AAC9369D2B70@internode.on.net>

Hi again!

Okay, what follows is an email I received from a friend of mine who is a audio engineer and who runs his own recording studio and - if this email is the only gripe he can come up with regarding the app - then I reckon it has a lot going for it <smile>

<Snip> 
> 
> Doesn't look bad at all.  My only complaint is the I-phone etc. themselves: what *halfwit* decided to limit their upper samppling rate to 44.1 these days! :( There's absolutely *no* excuse for that! :( I could imagine Fire showing up limitations in the hardware - i.e., it might actually be too good/accurate for the Phone/Touch/Pad.
<snip>

So there we are, I'm not likely to use sampling rates above 44.1KHZ so that suits me fine! <smile>

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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Jun  7 20:58:39 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 20:58:39 +0100
Subject: Restoring from Recovery Mode
In-Reply-To: <3B3B4551-04A2-4DAB-9E96-8A380EBBD625@mac.com>
References: <A388B7EA-9D8B-4B57-BEE9-0426350A83D5@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<3B3B4551-04A2-4DAB-9E96-8A380EBBD625@mac.com>
Message-ID: <357CF924-4B71-4DEE-8BC6-A76B83AC144C@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Esther


No, the summary tab doesn't exist.  There's no devices settings scroll area visible. All that it says in the source list is "iPad, Device".

Gordon

On 7 Jun 2010, at 20:20, Esther wrote:

Hi Gordon,

You should be able to restore in recovery mode and get back to the Apple Factory default settings.  It sounds like you went through the right procedure.  If you got the message that iTunes detected your device in recovery mode, can you confirm the device is selected in the sources table under Devices and then navigate to the Summary tab in order to select the restore option? If you can't see the device in iTunes, you can try to go through the steps to place the device in recovery mode again.

I just checked the Apple support documents.  One thing to try if you can't get through the restore is to try disconnecting the iPad and then restarting your computer before you try again to connect and restore the device.  Apparently, that often fixes problems.   Other than that you seem to be doing the right things. I'll try to read through the other suggestions in the Update and Alert messages article:
<http://support.apple.com/kb/ts1275>

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

Cheers,

Esther

On Jun 7, 2010, at 07:50, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> OK, I have my first iPad problem. The iPad went to download carrier updated info and hit a problem.  So I had no choice but to try and restore to factory defaults.
> 
> Problem now is that I cannot get the damned thing out of recovery mode.  I am performing the following steps:
> 
> 1.  Unplug the docking connector.
> 
> 2.  Pressing and holding the sleep/wake button and the home button until the screen goes dark and iPad goes off.
> 
> 3.  Press and hold the Home button whilst plugging in the Docking connector.  iTunes is coming back with the "iTunes has detected an iPad in recovery mode. You must restore the iPad before it can be used with iTunes" text.
> 
> How, therefore, do you restore a device when it's in recovery mode?
> 
> This seems to work the same as the iPhone and iPod Touch - but because there are no device setting parameters available in iTunes, I cannot just restore the firmware.
> 
> Any tips please?
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 

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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Jun  7 21:02:42 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 21:02:42 +0100
Subject: Further thoughts on Fire -- Field Recorder
In-Reply-To: <8951E1B9-BA24-4A1C-86BA-AAC9369D2B70@internode.on.net>
References: <8951E1B9-BA24-4A1C-86BA-AAC9369D2B70@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <00E75CB4-E166-423A-A165-C696A59D79CF@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Sorry but this person hasn't got a clue!  He's whinging about things purely for the sake of it.

Let me guess, he' anti-Apple?  The iPhone is not, by design, an audio recorder.  Ergo, it does what it's designed to do and, if he expects more, he's deluding himself.

What the iPhone and iPod Touch and, now, iPad do, they do exceptionally well.  This has to be a joke.

On 7 Jun 2010, at 20:32, Dane Trethowan wrote:

Hi again!

Okay, what follows is an email I received from a friend of mine who is a audio engineer and who runs his own recording studio and - if this email is the only gripe he can come up with regarding the app - then I reckon it has a lot going for it <smile>


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Jun  7 21:07:13 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 21:07:13 +0100
Subject: Restoring from Recovery Mode
In-Reply-To: <357CF924-4B71-4DEE-8BC6-A76B83AC144C@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <A388B7EA-9D8B-4B57-BEE9-0426350A83D5@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<3B3B4551-04A2-4DAB-9E96-8A380EBBD625@mac.com>
	<357CF924-4B71-4DEE-8BC6-A76B83AC144C@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3C225CCB-4795-4A1E-8F65-606A0E82C06B@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Esther

On 7 Jun 2010, at 20:20, Esther wrote:

Just to clarify here.  I can see the iPad in iTunes, it keeps coming up with the detected iPad in recovery mode box.  I read those documents too, and found nothing that would help me.  But I've forgotten how to actually "force" recovery mode so I'll go and try again.

One document said something about opening ports.  I don't think that is an issue, since the iPhone I restored last night for Gillian worked first time.  But I have seen similar issues before with my own iPhone.

I'm a bit stuck at the moment though, and I have tried restarting the computer but no change.

Gordon

Hi Gordon,

You should be able to restore in recovery mode and get back to the Apple Factory default settings.  It sounds like you went through the right procedure.  If you got the message that iTunes detected your device in recovery mode, can you confirm the device is selected in the sources table under Devices and then navigate to the Summary tab in order to select the restore option? If you can't see the device in iTunes, you can try to go through the steps to place the device in recovery mode again.

I just checked the Apple support documents.  One thing to try if you can't get through the restore is to try disconnecting the iPad and then restarting your computer before you try again to connect and restore the device.  Apparently, that often fixes problems.   Other than that you seem to be doing the right things. I'll try to read through the other suggestions in the Update and Alert messages article:
<http://support.apple.com/kb/ts1275>

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

Cheers,

Esther

On Jun 7, 2010, at 07:50, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> OK, I have my first iPad problem. The iPad went to download carrier updated info and hit a problem.  So I had no choice but to try and restore to factory defaults.
> 
> Problem now is that I cannot get the damned thing out of recovery mode.  I am performing the following steps:
> 
> 1.  Unplug the docking connector.
> 
> 2.  Pressing and holding the sleep/wake button and the home button until the screen goes dark and iPad goes off.
> 
> 3.  Press and hold the Home button whilst plugging in the Docking connector.  iTunes is coming back with the "iTunes has detected an iPad in recovery mode. You must restore the iPad before it can be used with iTunes" text.
> 
> How, therefore, do you restore a device when it's in recovery mode?
> 
> This seems to work the same as the iPhone and iPod Touch - but because there are no device setting parameters available in iTunes, I cannot just restore the firmware.
> 
> Any tips please?
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 

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From cjsims at me.com  Mon Jun  7 21:11:30 2010
From: cjsims at me.com (Christopher Sims)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 06:11:30 +1000
Subject: Connecting to Mobileme idisk public folder from Windows machine.
In-Reply-To: <B5040347-3033-4A6F-8221-AA6DCA4D9E28@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <C8912708-8664-4808-A043-620177A665A1@me.com>
	<B5040347-3033-4A6F-8221-AA6DCA4D9E28@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Thanks for this.  Will pass along.  
Christopher  Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 M:0418558275

On 07/06/2010, at 10:08 PM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Chris
> 
> This is wrong!  Try this instead, as Lynne told you the other day:
> 
> http://idisk.me.com/username/public/
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 7 Jun 2010, at 12:04, Christopher Sims wrote:
> 
> Hi.  A friend of mine who is running windows is attempting to connect to my idisk public folder from his Windows PC.  When he tries to do this, the following occurs.  he puts in the url of
> www.public.me.com/cjsims
> when he does this though he gets an Internet explorer can't open the page.  Why is this?
> 
> He is wanting to upload a file.  All help on this would be mutch appreciated.   I should say that I have it set to allow people to write files in my public folder.  
> Christopher  Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 M:0418558275
> 
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From grtdane at internode.on.net  Mon Jun  7 21:31:33 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:31:33 +1000
Subject: Further thoughts on Fire -- Field Recorder
In-Reply-To: <00E75CB4-E166-423A-A165-C696A59D79CF@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <8951E1B9-BA24-4A1C-86BA-AAC9369D2B70@internode.on.net>
	<00E75CB4-E166-423A-A165-C696A59D79CF@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Yeah, that's pretty much what he was told <smile>.


On 08/06/2010, at 6:02 AM, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Sorry but this person hasn't got a clue!  He's whinging about things purely for the sake of it.
> 
> Let me guess, he' anti-Apple?  The iPhone is not, by design, an audio recorder.  Ergo, it does what it's designed to do and, if he expects more, he's deluding himself.
> 
> What the iPhone and iPod Touch and, now, iPad do, they do exceptionally well.  This has to be a joke.
> 
> On 7 Jun 2010, at 20:32, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> 
> Hi again!
> 
> Okay, what follows is an email I received from a friend of mine who is a audio engineer and who runs his own recording studio and - if this email is the only gripe he can come up with regarding the app - then I reckon it has a lot going for it <smile>
> 
> _______________________________________________
> 
> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Jun  7 21:49:29 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 21:49:29 +0100
Subject: Just to confirm
Message-ID: <85BC0244-2314-4E64-BE03-E47147FF6B13@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

Could somebody confirm the steps to "force" the iPad/iPhone into recovery mode? We're not sure it is properly in recovery mode because we are not seeing the tabs associated with the device that we should be seeing, hence we cannot restore it. Otherwise, is there a way to manually download and install the firmware and operating system?

I want this sorted because he's getting himself wound up.

Lynne


From moriond at mac.com  Mon Jun  7 22:10:30 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 11:10:30 -1000
Subject: Just to confirm
In-Reply-To: <85BC0244-2314-4E64-BE03-E47147FF6B13@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <85BC0244-2314-4E64-BE03-E47147FF6B13@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <40A3F6DB-01C6-4A31-8BEE-C19A82EDAD41@mac.com>

Hi Lynne,

iTunes detects the device, since it shows up in the sources table.   
What prompts show up, if any?  Remember, if Gordon is using this with  
VoiceOver it may be necessary to interact after the selection is done  
in the sources table.  Usually, some options show up where there would  
be a summary tab.  Since he didn't actually finish the set up, you may  
get the same initial information about starting up with MobileMe etc.,  
in which you can press the button to do this later.  At that point you  
might start your set up from scratch (registration, agreement to terms  
of use, etc.)

What I'm less clear about is the part about setting up with your local  
provider.  Gordon first posted that there was no device for ejecting  
the SIM card and that he couldn't find the pinhole to eject.  You  
should be able to use the same ejection device that shipped with the  
iPhone (or, in a pinch, a paper clip). But they should have shipped an  
ejection device.  The box had two wells: one for the power block and a  
second for a USB sync cable (same as used for the iPhone and iPod  
Touch or Nano).  Just above these two wells, there was a cardboard  
insert with a tab you could pick up to easily lift it up.  The  
ejection device is in that insert.  The SIM card is diagonally placed  
opposite the volume switch.  That is, when you hold the iPad in  
portrait mode with the home button at the bottom, the volume rocker is  
at the upper right side of the device, a couple of inches down from  
the top.  The SIM card is at the lower left edge of the device,  
roughly diagonally opposite the volume rocker, but a little higher  
up.  You can feel the notch for the pinhole to eject if you run your  
finger up from the bottom left side of the iPad -- it's at the bottom  
end of the SIM insert.

OK, what I can't figure out from the previous post is whether there is  
a SIM in the slot, or whether Gordon replaced it with the SIM from  
your service provider before he started the stage of setup that failed  
to complete download.  If he did replace the card, doesn't it need to  
be the one that is used for activation?  I have a 3G iPad, and did try  
to eject the micro-SIM card so I'd know what it was like (before  
starting service).  But I never went through any additional activation  
that required my changing the SIM card.  And I also tried using this  
for quite a while before activating the 3G at all (just to see how it  
would work with GPS apps).

Can you check that the appropriate SIM card is inserted if that's the  
stage that things failed at?

If not, can you try to restart your computer and do the set up from  
scratch? You should still be able to recover back to factory settings  
and start again.

Cheers,

Esther

Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
>
> Could somebody confirm the steps to "force" the iPad/iPhone into  
> recovery mode? We're not sure it is properly in recovery mode  
> because we are not seeing the tabs associated with the device that  
> we should be seeing, hence we cannot restore it. Otherwise, is there  
> a way to manually download and install the firmware and operating  
> system?
>
> I want this sorted because he's getting himself wound up.
>
> Lynne
>

From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Jun  7 23:15:45 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 23:15:45 +0100
Subject: Just to confirm
In-Reply-To: <40A3F6DB-01C6-4A31-8BEE-C19A82EDAD41@mac.com>
References: <85BC0244-2314-4E64-BE03-E47147FF6B13@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<40A3F6DB-01C6-4A31-8BEE-C19A82EDAD41@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D4456010-811A-4067-AB8E-B4902CE6D58C@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Esther

On 7 Jun 2010, at 22:10, Esther wrote:

? iTunes detects the device, since it shows up in the sources table.  What prompts show up, if any?  Remember, if Gordon is using this with VoiceOver it may be necessary to interact after the selection is done in the sources table.  Usually, some options show up where there would be a summary tab.  Since he didn't actually finish the set up, you may get the same initial information about starting up with MobileMe etc., in which you can press the button to do this later.  At that point you might start your set up from scratch (registration, agreement to terms of use, etc.)

Visually, there is no option showing up to the right of the sources list. The only things there are the usual iTunes controls. The icon is there in the source table but interestingly it is under the playlists icon now that I look at it.

What I'm less clear about is the part about setting up with your local provider.  Gordon first posted that there was no device for ejecting the SIM card and that he couldn't find the pinhole to eject.  You should be able to use the same ejection device that shipped with the iPhone (or, in a pinch, a paper clip). But they should have shipped an ejection device.  The box had two wells: one for the power block and a second for a USB sync cable (same as used for the iPhone and iPod Touch or Nano).  Just above these two wells, there was a cardboard insert with a tab you could pick up to easily lift it up.  The ejection device is in that insert.  The SIM card is diagonally placed opposite the volume switch.  That is, when you hold the iPad in portrait mode with the home button at the bottom, the volume rocker is at the upper right side of the device, a couple of inches down from the top.  The SIM card is at the lower left edge of the device, roughly diagonally opposite the volume rocker, but a little higher up.  You can feel the notch for the pinhole to eject if you run your finger up from the bottom left side of the iPad -- it's at the bottom end of the SIM insert.

We got the SIM problem sorted. There was no eject tool; but you can use a paperclip. The little tray just pops out when you press the little catch inside the recess.

But at the moment, as I say this does not look good. We've tried it on 2 different computers and got the same results both time. We see the device, but that is all. Honestly; there are no options visible. So it isn't a VoiceOver thing, because I cannot physically see them either.

OK, what I can't figure out from the previous post is whether there is a SIM in the slot, or whether Gordon replaced it with the SIM from your service provider before he started the stage of setup that failed to complete download.  If he did replace the card, doesn't it need to be the one that is used for activation?  I have a 3G iPad, and did try to eject the micro-SIM card so I'd know what it was like (before starting service).  But I never went through any additional activation that required my changing the SIM card.  And I also tried using this for quite a while before activating the 3G at all (just to see how it would work with GPS apps).

When you get it it doesn't come with a SIM. But as I said that is sorted now. The SIM was working until the big crash.

Can you check that the appropriate SIM card is inserted if that's the stage that things failed at?

If not, can you try to restart your computer and do the set up from scratch? You should still be able to recover back to factory settings and start again.

Afraid not.

Lynne


From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Mon Jun  7 23:30:06 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 23:30:06 +0100
Subject: WWDC 2010 keynote
Message-ID: <86240A37-CE41-4FB3-8D73-A86471BE03A0@gmail.com>

Hi gang

Does anyone know if the Keynote Address for this year's WWDC is available yet. I can't find it on the site - perhaps I've not looked hard enough. Does anyone have any info please?
Thanks 
TC
James

From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Jun  7 23:30:32 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 23:30:32 +0100
Subject: Just to confirm
In-Reply-To: <40A3F6DB-01C6-4A31-8BEE-C19A82EDAD41@mac.com>
References: <85BC0244-2314-4E64-BE03-E47147FF6B13@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<40A3F6DB-01C6-4A31-8BEE-C19A82EDAD41@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7A0CE783-CA81-45D6-B1C1-952750588F82@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Esther

I think I need to clarify a couple of things here since it seems he didn't post again after setup.

Gordon did actually eventually get the iPad set up and had oiceOver working on it. The problem arose when, at iTune's suggestion, he tried to install the settinghs from a backup of our iPhone's.

It sort of worked, but not fully. So he tried to restore it using iTunes to factory defaults.

The restore process crashed halfway through, leaving the iPad in recovery mode. We now cannot get at it with iTunes to retry the restore. Is there a way to manually force it into recovery mode since it seems it isn't properly in recovery mode? There are no prompts, no options, no anything except the name, "iPad" in the sources list.

I'm sorry if I was less than clear.

Lynne

On 7 Jun 2010, at 22:10, Esther wrote:

Hi Lynne,

iTunes detects the device, since it shows up in the sources table.  What prompts show up, if any?  Remember, if Gordon is using this with VoiceOver it may be necessary to interact after the selection is done in the sources table.  Usually, some options show up where there would be a summary tab.  Since he didn't actually finish the set up, you may get the same initial information about starting up with MobileMe etc., in which you can press the button to do this later.  At that point you might start your set up from scratch (registration, agreement to terms of use, etc.)

What I'm less clear about is the part about setting up with your local provider.  Gordon first posted that there was no device for ejecting the SIM card and that he couldn't find the pinhole to eject.  You should be able to use the same ejection device that shipped with the iPhone (or, in a pinch, a paper clip). But they should have shipped an ejection device.  The box had two wells: one for the power block and a second for a USB sync cable (same as used for the iPhone and iPod Touch or Nano).  Just above these two wells, there was a cardboard insert with a tab you could pick up to easily lift it up.  The ejection device is in that insert.  The SIM card is diagonally placed opposite the volume switch.  That is, when you hold the iPad in portrait mode with the home button at the bottom, the volume rocker is at the upper right side of the device, a couple of inches down from the top.  The SIM card is at the lower left edge of the device, roughly diagonally opposite the volume rocker, but a little higher up.  You can feel the notch for the pinhole to eject if you run your finger up from the bottom left side of the iPad -- it's at the bottom end of the SIM insert.

OK, what I can't figure out from the previous post is whether there is a SIM in the slot, or whether Gordon replaced it with the SIM from your service provider before he started the stage of setup that failed to complete download.  If he did replace the card, doesn't it need to be the one that is used for activation?  I have a 3G iPad, and did try to eject the micro-SIM card so I'd know what it was like (before starting service).  But I never went through any additional activation that required my changing the SIM card.  And I also tried using this for quite a while before activating the 3G at all (just to see how it would work with GPS apps).

Can you check that the appropriate SIM card is inserted if that's the stage that things failed at?

If not, can you try to restart your computer and do the set up from scratch? You should still be able to recover back to factory settings and start again.

Cheers,

Esther

Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> Could somebody confirm the steps to "force" the iPad/iPhone into recovery mode? We're not sure it is properly in recovery mode because we are not seeing the tabs associated with the device that we should be seeing, hence we cannot restore it. Otherwise, is there a way to manually download and install the firmware and operating system?
> 
> I want this sorted because he's getting himself wound up.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Mon Jun  7 23:31:39 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 23:31:39 +0100
Subject: WWDC 2010 keynote
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Hello James

On 7 Jun 2010, at 23:30, James & Nash wrote:

Hi gang

Does anyone know if the Keynote Address for this year's WWDC is available yet. I can't find it on the site - perhaps I've not looked hard enough. Does anyone have any info please?

Yes, I have seen it I'm sure I have.

Lynne


From grtdane at internode.on.net  Tue Jun  8 00:05:09 2010
From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 09:05:09 +1000
Subject: Apple Unveils iPhone 4 and New Accessibility Features
Message-ID: <EB16BCDF-5382-4AE5-B637-D5ECE345CC01@internode.on.net>

Read all about it here!

http://www.lioncourt.com/2010/06/07/apple-unveils-iphone-4-and-new-accessibility-features/



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From moriond at mac.com  Tue Jun  8 00:10:10 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 13:10:10 -1000
Subject: Just to confirm
In-Reply-To: <7A0CE783-CA81-45D6-B1C1-952750588F82@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <85BC0244-2314-4E64-BE03-E47147FF6B13@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<40A3F6DB-01C6-4A31-8BEE-C19A82EDAD41@mac.com>
	<7A0CE783-CA81-45D6-B1C1-952750588F82@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D77E5306-EC0C-47F6-A813-555566B9044C@mac.com>

Hi Lynne,

OK, from memory, one way that I forced my iPod Touch to be recognized  
when it seemed not to respond was by connecting it up to my computer  
and doing a reset while the device was connected. I'll give you the  
link to the Macrumors forum thread that worked for me and paste in the  
post
<http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=367174>
If that doesn't work, try using the restore procedure that is used to  
recover from bad jailbreaks, which is similar (and which I'll append  
after this):

<begin excerpt 1>
The solution

1: Plug your ipod into your computer!!!


2: Hold the "Hold" and the "Menu" button until the touch's screen goes  
black and shows the apple logo again then release the buttons!!!


3: Wait about 5-15 minutes!!!


4: Your computer will make a "Chime" sound and then the ipod will show  
the locked screen with the battery logo...
<end excerpt 1>

The second set of instructions is from the step-by-step guide to  
restore your iPhone, also from the Macrumors forum (meant to recover  
jailbroken iphones).  One of these should work. Source is:
<http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=603129>
<begin excerpt 2>
* Connect your iPhone to your Mac or PC and select your iPhone from  
the list of devices in iTunes. If things had gone horribly wrong while  
hacking your iPhone and iTunes does not detect your iPhone then you  
will need to put it in DFU (Device Firmware Upgrade) mode.
o You can follow these steps to put your iPhone in DFU mode (this is  
required only if iTunes does not recognize your iPhone):
+ Connect your iPhone to your computer.
+ Turn iPhone off.
+ Hold power and home together for 10 seconds (exactly).
+ Release power but keep holding home until the computers beeps  
(observed on a PC) as a USB device is recognized.
+ A few seconds later iTunes should detect your iPhone.
* In the Summary Tab, click on the Restore button.
* iTunes should prompt you if you would wish to take a backup of your  
iPhone before restoring. Select Backup.
(Lynne, you may not want to do this -- better to start from scratch)
* After the backup is taken select the Restore option when iTunes  
prompts you.
* Once the restore process has completed your iPhone will restart and  
the Apple logo will appear while booting up.
* After the restore is complete and your iPhone restarts you will see  
the ?Connect to Activate? screen. You must continue to keep your  
iPhone connected to complete activation.
* The last step is to set up your iPhone either from a backup or set  
up as a "new iPhone". If you are planning to take the iPhone to the  
Apple Store, its advisable to setup your iPhone as a "new iPhone" else  
you can select the date of your backup that you want to restore to.  
You can always follow the above procedure to restore from a backup at  
a later date.
<end excerpt 2>

Hope that one of these works for you.  You might want to check the  
original web source links, in case I left anything out of the  
instructions.

Best,

Esther

Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Esther
>
> I think I need to clarify a couple of things here since it seems he  
> didn't post again after setup.
>
> Gordon did actually eventually get the iPad set up and had oiceOver  
> working on it. The problem arose when, at iTune's suggestion, he  
> tried to install the settinghs from a backup of our iPhone's.
>
> It sort of worked, but not fully. So he tried to restore it using  
> iTunes to factory defaults.
>
> The restore process crashed halfway through, leaving the iPad in  
> recovery mode. We now cannot get at it with iTunes to retry the  
> restore. Is there a way to manually force it into recovery mode  
> since it seems it isn't properly in recovery mode? There are no  
> prompts, no options, no anything except the name, "iPad" in the  
> sources list.
>
> I'm sorry if I was less than clear.
>
> Lynne
>
> On 7 Jun 2010, at 22:10, Esther wrote:
>
> Hi Lynne,
>
> iTunes detects the device, since it shows up in the sources table.   
> What prompts show up, if any?  Remember, if Gordon is using this  
> with VoiceOver it may be necessary to interact after the selection  
> is done in the sources table.  Usually, some options show up where  
> there would be a summary tab.  Since he didn't actually finish the  
> set up, you may get the same initial information about starting up  
> with MobileMe etc., in which you can press the button to do this  
> later.  At that point you might start your set up from scratch  
> (registration, agreement to terms of use, etc.)
>
> What I'm less clear about is the part about setting up with your  
> local provider.  Gordon first posted that there was no device for  
> ejecting the SIM card and that he couldn't find the pinhole to  
> eject.  You should be able to use the same ejection device that  
> shipped with the iPhone (or, in a pinch, a paper clip). But they  
> should have shipped an ejection device.  The box had two wells: one  
> for the power block and a second for a USB sync cable (same as used  
> for the iPhone and iPod Touch or Nano).  Just above these two wells,  
> there was a cardboard insert with a tab you could pick up to easily  
> lift it up.  The ejection device is in that insert.  The SIM card is  
> diagonally placed opposite the volume switch.  That is, when you  
> hold the iPad in portrait mode with the home button at the bottom,  
> the volume rocker is at the upper right side of the device, a couple  
> of inches down from the top.  The SIM card is at the lower left edge  
> of the device, roughly diagonally opposite the volume r
> ocker, but a little higher up.  You can feel the notch for the  
> pinhole to eject if you run your finger up from the bottom left side  
> of the iPad -- it's at the bottom end of the SIM insert.
>
> OK, what I can't figure out from the previous post is whether there  
> is a SIM in the slot, or whether Gordon replaced it with the SIM  
> from your service provider before he started the stage of setup that  
> failed to complete download.  If he did replace the card, doesn't it  
> need to be the one that is used for activation?  I have a 3G iPad,  
> and did try to eject the micro-SIM card so I'd know what it was like  
> (before starting service).  But I never went through any additional  
> activation that required my changing the SIM card.  And I also tried  
> using this for quite a while before activating the 3G at all (just  
> to see how it would work with GPS apps).
>
> Can you check that the appropriate SIM card is inserted if that's  
> the stage that things failed at?
>
> If not, can you try to restart your computer and do the set up from  
> scratch? You should still be able to recover back to factory  
> settings and start again.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
>
>> Hello everybody
>>
>> Could somebody confirm the steps to "force" the iPad/iPhone into  
>> recovery mode? We're not sure it is properly in recovery mode  
>> because we are not seeing the tabs associated with the device that  
>> we should be seeing, hence we cannot restore it. Otherwise, is  
>> there a way to manually download and install the firmware and  
>> operating system?
>>
>> I want this sorted because he's getting himself wound up.
>>
>> Lynne
>>


From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Tue Jun  8 00:17:29 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 00:17:29 +0100
Subject: WWDC 2010 keynote
In-Reply-To: <426CED5C-9500-4620-9CAA-6DF4CC2E411D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <86240A37-CE41-4FB3-8D73-A86471BE03A0@gmail.com>
	<426CED5C-9500-4620-9CAA-6DF4CC2E411D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <89CDF3CD-C9AB-4B90-BBCB-F7790A6C164F@gmail.com>

Hi Lynne
On 7 Jun 2010, at 23:31, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> Yes, I have seen it I'm sure I have.
Thanks for the confirmation, I'll keep looking :)

TC
James 
> Hello James
> 
> On 7 Jun 2010, at 23:30, James & Nash wrote:
> 
> Hi gang
> 
> Does anyone know if the Keynote Address for this year's WWDC is available yet. I can't find it on the site - perhaps I've not looked hard enough. Does anyone have any info please?
> 
\

> Yes, I have seen it I'm sure I have.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 00:24:45 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 00:24:45 +0100
Subject: Apple Unveils iPhone 4 and New Accessibility Features
In-Reply-To: <EB16BCDF-5382-4AE5-B637-D5ECE345CC01@internode.on.net>
References: <EB16BCDF-5382-4AE5-B637-D5ECE345CC01@internode.on.net>
Message-ID: <0820148A-3EF2-4728-85C6-0AD0F4D02527@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Dane

On 8 Jun 2010, at 00:05, Dane Trethowan wrote:

? Read all about it here!

This appeared on Apple Insider as well this afternoon.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 00:46:20 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 00:46:20 +0100
Subject: Just to confirm
In-Reply-To: <D77E5306-EC0C-47F6-A813-555566B9044C@mac.com>
References: <85BC0244-2314-4E64-BE03-E47147FF6B13@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<40A3F6DB-01C6-4A31-8BEE-C19A82EDAD41@mac.com>
	<7A0CE783-CA81-45D6-B1C1-952750588F82@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<D77E5306-EC0C-47F6-A813-555566B9044C@mac.com>
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Hello Esther

On 8 Jun 2010, at 00:10, Esther wrote:

? OK, from memory, one way that I forced my iPod Touch to be recognized when it seemed not to respond was by connecting it up to my computer and doing a reset while the device was connected. I'll give you the link to the Macrumors forum thread that worked for me and paste in the post
<http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=367174>
If that doesn't work, try using the restore procedure that is used to recover from bad jailbreaks, which is similar (and which I'll append after this):

The problem here is the iPad doesn't have the menu button. So the procedure must be different.

But I'll try and find something in the docs. But what concerns me here is that if I follow the Apple Howto procedure to try restoring tyhe iPad, every 5 minutes or so iTunes is coming up with the "iTunes has detected an iPad in recovery mode. You must restore this iPad before it can be used with iTunes", and then an OK button.

I tried doing this:

1. Power off the iPad.

2. Holding down the home button, reconnect to the Mac.

iTunes still comes up exactly the same as above.

So then I tried:

1.  Connect iPad to Mac


2. Power off iPad.

3. Hold down the Home button on iPad.

Exactly the same results as above. I'm starting to wonder whether this might mean a return to Apple incident because **Nothing* we do seems to make any difference whatsoever.

In iTunes, there is a device visible called "iPad". But there are no summary, options, apps, and all the other tabs. They just are not visible at all.

According to the Apple HowTo, iTunes is supposed to download the OS which is about 500MB in size. But how on earth are you supposed to know if it is doing anything or not?

Your comments earlier about the SIM made me wonder if we should maybe remove the SIM again and then try the restore.

? <begin excerpt 1>
The solution


Isn't this exactly the same as I described,or am I missing a step?

The problem here is that the procedures seem to be different. It isn't behaving as described.

No matter which way we do it, we get exactly the same response. So the iPod and iPhone procedures seem to be no longer applicable for some reason.

Lynne


1: Plug your ipod into your computer!!!


2: Hold the "Hold" and the "Menu" button until the touch's screen goes black and shows the apple logo again then release the buttons!!!


3: Wait about 5-15 minutes!!!


4: Your computer will make a "Chime" sound and then the ipod will show the locked screen with the battery logo...
<end excerpt 1>

The second set of instructions is from the step-by-step guide to restore your iPhone, also from the Macrumors forum (meant to recover jailbroken iphones).  One of these should work. Source is:
<http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=603129>
<begin excerpt 2>
* Connect your iPhone to your Mac or PC and select your iPhone from the list of devices in iTunes. If things had gone horribly wrong while hacking your iPhone and iTunes does not detect your iPhone then you will need to put it in DFU (Device Firmware Upgrade) mode.
o You can follow these steps to put your iPhone in DFU mode (this is required only if iTunes does not recognize your iPhone):
+ Connect your iPhone to your computer.
+ Turn iPhone off.
+ Hold power and home together for 10 seconds (exactly).
+ Release power but keep holding home until the computers beeps (observed on a PC) as a USB device is recognized.
+ A few seconds later iTunes should detect your iPhone.
* In the Summary Tab, click on the Restore button.
* iTunes should prompt you if you would wish to take a backup of your iPhone before restoring. Select Backup.
(Lynne, you may not want to do this -- better to start from scratch)
* After the backup is taken select the Restore option when iTunes prompts you.
* Once the restore process has completed your iPhone will restart and the Apple logo will appear while booting up.
* After the restore is complete and your iPhone restarts you will see the ?Connect to Activate? screen. You must continue to keep your iPhone connected to complete activation.
* The last step is to set up your iPhone either from a backup or set up as a "new iPhone". If you are planning to take the iPhone to the Apple Store, its advisable to setup your iPhone as a "new iPhone" else you can select the date of your backup that you want to restore to. You can always follow the above procedure to restore from a backup at a later date.
<end excerpt 2>

Hope that one of these works for you.  You might want to check the original web source links, in case I left anything out of the instructions.

Best,

Esther

Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Esther
> 
> I think I need to clarify a couple of things here since it seems he didn't post again after setup.
> 
> Gordon did actually eventually get the iPad set up and had oiceOver working on it. The problem arose when, at iTune's suggestion, he tried to install the settinghs from a backup of our iPhone's.
> 
> It sort of worked, but not fully. So he tried to restore it using iTunes to factory defaults.
> 
> The restore process crashed halfway through, leaving the iPad in recovery mode. We now cannot get at it with iTunes to retry the restore. Is there a way to manually force it into recovery mode since it seems it isn't properly in recovery mode? There are no prompts, no options, no anything except the name, "iPad" in the sources list.
> 
> I'm sorry if I was less than clear.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> On 7 Jun 2010, at 22:10, Esther wrote:
> 
> Hi Lynne,
> 
> iTunes detects the device, since it shows up in the sources table.  What prompts show up, if any?  Remember, if Gordon is using this with VoiceOver it may be necessary to interact after the selection is done in the sources table.  Usually, some options show up where there would be a summary tab.  Since he didn't actually finish the set up, you may get the same initial information about starting up with MobileMe etc., in which you can press the button to do this later.  At that point you might start your set up from scratch (registration, agreement to terms of use, etc.)
> 
> What I'm less clear about is the part about setting up with your local provider.  Gordon first posted that there was no device for ejecting the SIM card and that he couldn't find the pinhole to eject.  You should be able to use the same ejection device that shipped with the iPhone (or, in a pinch, a paper clip). But they should have shipped an ejection device.  The box had two wells: one for the power block and a second for a USB sync cable (same as used for the iPhone and iPod Touch or Nano).  Just above these two wells, there was a cardboard insert with a tab you could pick up to easily lift it up.  The ejection device is in that insert.  The SIM card is diagonally placed opposite the volume switch.  That is, when you hold the iPad in portrait mode with the home button at the bottom, the volume rocker is at the upper right side of the device, a couple of inches down from the top.  The SIM card is at the lower left edge of the device, roughly diagonally opposite the volume r
> ocker, but a little higher up.  You can feel the notch for the pinhole to eject if you run your finger up from the bottom left side of the iPad -- it's at the bottom end of the SIM insert.
> 
> OK, what I can't figure out from the previous post is whether there is a SIM in the slot, or whether Gordon replaced it with the SIM from your service provider before he started the stage of setup that failed to complete download.  If he did replace the card, doesn't it need to be the one that is used for activation?  I have a 3G iPad, and did try to eject the micro-SIM card so I'd know what it was like (before starting service).  But I never went through any additional activation that required my changing the SIM card.  And I also tried using this for quite a while before activating the 3G at all (just to see how it would work with GPS apps).
> 
> Can you check that the appropriate SIM card is inserted if that's the stage that things failed at?
> 
> If not, can you try to restart your computer and do the set up from scratch? You should still be able to recover back to factory settings and start again.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> 
>> Hello everybody
>> 
>> Could somebody confirm the steps to "force" the iPad/iPhone into recovery mode? We're not sure it is properly in recovery mode because we are not seeing the tabs associated with the device that we should be seeing, hence we cannot restore it. Otherwise, is there a way to manually download and install the firmware and operating system?
>> 
>> I want this sorted because he's getting himself wound up.
>> 
>> Lynne
>> 

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From moriond at mac.com  Tue Jun  8 01:16:46 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:16:46 -1000
Subject: Just to confirm
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Hello Lynne,

The iPad has a home and power (or sleep/wake) button to lock the  
screen just as the iPhone and iPod touch do.  I'm talking about the  
button at the far right along the top edge of the iPad when you hold  
it in portrait mode with the home button at the bottom.  Pressing the  
two of these buttons simultaneously should allow you to power down  
your iPad, just as I could with the iPod Touch.  In that case the  
power off or sleep/wake button was near the left top edge.  It works  
the same way to do a reset.  I'm confused by your statement that the  
iPad doesn't have a "menu" button.  What menu button are we talking  
about, and how is this used in the reset or restore process?

I don't think you have to download the OS, but I'm rather confused at  
this point.  You might check whether there is a backup for your iPad  
in ~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup,  From Finder, use  
Command-Shift-H to go to your home directory then use Command-Shift-G  
("Go to folder"), paste:
Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup
into the text field and press return.  You should have a set of  
folders withe really long sets of numbers and letters.  This is the  
Unique Device Identifier for your iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch.  It  
shows up when your device is connected (on the summary tab screen, I  
think).  If you have the System Activity Monitor app (for freeing  
memory), it's the really long number after the "Device ID:" field on  
the "Network" screen (double tap the middle of the 5 buttons on the  
bottom of the screen).  If you have a recently updated backup folder  
for a really
long device that you can't match up to your other iPhones or iPod  
Touches, that belongs to the iPad.

You might be able to restore from that folder, if a backup was made  
before Gordon tried to restore from one of the iPhone backups.  (The  
other way to find out the Device ID for any device is to get the free,  
"Ad Hoc Helper" app by Erica Sadun:
<http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ad-hoc-helper/id285691333?mt=8>
When you open this app, it reads the Device ID of your iPhone, iPad,  
or iPod Touch and inserts it into a mail message you can send to  
yourself.

I'm out of thoughts.

Best,

Esther


On Jun 7, 2010, at 13:46, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Esther
>
> On 8 Jun 2010, at 00:10, Esther wrote:
>
> ? OK, from memory, one way that I forced my iPod Touch to be  
> recognized when it seemed not to respond was by connecting it up to  
> my computer and doing a reset while the device was connected. I'll  
> give you the link to the Macrumors forum thread that worked for me  
> and paste in the post
> <http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=367174>
> If that doesn't work, try using the restore procedure that is used  
> to recover from bad jailbreaks, which is similar (and which I'll  
> append after this):
>
> The problem here is the iPad doesn't have the menu button. So the  
> procedure must be different.
>
> But I'll try and find something in the docs. But what concerns me  
> here is that if I follow the Apple Howto procedure to try restoring  
> tyhe iPad, every 5 minutes or so iTunes is coming up with the  
> "iTunes has detected an iPad in recovery mode. You must restore this  
> iPad before it can be used with iTunes", and then an OK button.
>
> I tried doing this:
>
> 1. Power off the iPad.
>
> 2. Holding down the home button, reconnect to the Mac.
>
> iTunes still comes up exactly the same as above.
>
> So then I tried:
>
> 1.  Connect iPad to Mac
>
>
> 2. Power off iPad.
>
> 3. Hold down the Home button on iPad.
>
> Exactly the same results as above. I'm starting to wonder whether  
> this might mean a return to Apple incident because **Nothing* we do  
> seems to make any difference whatsoever.
>
> In iTunes, there is a device visible called "iPad". But there are no  
> summary, options, apps, and all the other tabs. They just are not  
> visible at all.
>
> According to the Apple HowTo, iTunes is supposed to download the OS  
> which is about 500MB in size. But how on earth are you supposed to  
> know if it is doing anything or not?
>
> Your comments earlier about the SIM made me wonder if we should  
> maybe remove the SIM again and then try the restore.
>
> ? <begin excerpt 1>
> The solution
>
>
> Isn't this exactly the same as I described,or am I missing a step?
>
> The problem here is that the procedures seem to be different. It  
> isn't behaving as described.
>
> No matter which way we do it, we get exactly the same response. So  
> the iPod and iPhone procedures seem to be no longer applicable for  
> some reason.
>
> Lynne
>
>
> 1: Plug your ipod into your computer!!!
>
>
> 2: Hold the "Hold" and the "Menu" button until the touch's screen  
> goes black and shows the apple logo again then release the buttons!!!
>
>
> 3: Wait about 5-15 minutes!!!
>
>
> 4: Your computer will make a "Chime" sound and then the ipod will  
> show the locked screen with the battery logo...
> <end excerpt 1>
>
> The second set of instructions is from the step-by-step guide to  
> restore your iPhone, also from the Macrumors forum (meant to recover  
> jailbroken iphones).  One of these should work. Source is:
> <http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=603129>
> <begin excerpt 2>
> * Connect your iPhone to your Mac or PC and select your iPhone from  
> the list of devices in iTunes. If things had gone horribly wrong  
> while hacking your iPhone and iTunes does not detect your iPhone  
> then you will need to put it in DFU (Device Firmware Upgrade) mode.
> o You can follow these steps to put your iPhone in DFU mode (this is  
> required only if iTunes does not recognize your iPhone):
> + Connect your iPhone to your computer.
> + Turn iPhone off.
> + Hold power and home together for 10 seconds (exactly).
> + Release power but keep holding home until the computers beeps  
> (observed on a PC) as a USB device is recognized.
> + A few seconds later iTunes should detect your iPhone.
> * In the Summary Tab, click on the Restore button.
> * iTunes should prompt you if you would wish to take a backup of  
> your iPhone before restoring. Select Backup.
> (Lynne, you may not want to do this -- better to start from scratch)
> * After the backup is taken select the Restore option when iTunes  
> prompts you.
> * Once the restore process has completed your iPhone will restart  
> and the Apple logo will appear while booting up.
> * After the restore is complete and your iPhone restarts you will  
> see the ?Connect to Activate? screen. You must continue to keep your  
> iPhone connected to complete activation.
> * The last step is to set up your iPhone either from a backup or set  
> up as a "new iPhone". If you are planning to take the iPhone to the  
> Apple Store, its advisable to setup your iPhone as a "new iPhone"  
> else you can select the date of your backup that you want to restore  
> to. You can always follow the above procedure to restore from a  
> backup at a later date.
> <end excerpt 2>
>
> Hope that one of these works for you.  You might want to check the  
> original web source links, in case I left anything out of the  
> instructions.
>
> Best,
>
> Esther
>
> Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
>
>> Hello Esther
>>
>> I think I need to clarify a couple of things here since it seems he  
>> didn't post again after setup.
>>
>> Gordon did actually eventually get the iPad set up and had oiceOver  
>> working on it. The problem arose when, at iTune's suggestion, he  
>> tried to install the settinghs from a backup of our iPhone's.
>>
>> It sort of worked, but not fully. So he tried to restore it using  
>> iTunes to factory defaults.
>>
>> The restore process crashed halfway through, leaving the iPad in  
>> recovery mode. We now cannot get at it with iTunes to retry the  
>> restore. Is there a way to manually force it into recovery mode  
>> since it seems it isn't properly in recovery mode? There are no  
>> prompts, no options, no anything except the name, "iPad" in the  
>> sources list.
>>
>> I'm sorry if I was less than clear.
>>
>> Lynne
>>
>> On 7 Jun 2010, at 22:10, Esther wrote:
>>
>> Hi Lynne,
>>
>> iTunes detects the device, since it shows up in the sources table.   
>> What prompts show up, if any?  Remember, if Gordon is using this  
>> with VoiceOver it may be necessary to interact after the selection  
>> is done in the sources table.  Usually, some options show up where  
>> there would be a summary tab.  Since he didn't actually finish the  
>> set up, you may get the same initial information about starting up  
>> with MobileMe etc., in which you can press the button to do this  
>> later.  At that point you might start your set up from scratch  
>> (registration, agreement to terms of use, etc.)
>>
>> What I'm less clear about is the part about setting up with your  
>> local provider.  Gordon first posted that there was no device for  
>> ejecting the SIM card and that he couldn't find the pinhole to  
>> eject.  You should be able to use the same ejection device that  
>> shipped with the iPhone (or, in a pinch, a paper clip). But they  
>> should have shipped an ejection device.  The box had two wells: one  
>> for the power block and a second for a USB sync cable (same as used  
>> for the iPhone and iPod Touch or Nano).  Just above these two  
>> wells, there was a cardboard insert with a tab you could pick up to  
>> easily lift it up.  The ejection device is in that insert.  The SIM  
>> card is diagonally placed opposite the volume switch.  That is,  
>> when you hold the iPad in portrait mode with the home button at the  
>> bottom, the volume rocker is at the upper right side of the device,  
>> a couple of inches down from the top.  The SIM card is at the lower  
>> left edge of the device, roughly diagonally opposite the volume r
>> ocker, but a little higher up.  You can feel the notch for the  
>> pinhole to eject if you run your finger up from the bottom left  
>> side of the iPad -- it's at the bottom end of the SIM insert.
>>
>> OK, what I can't figure out from the previous post is whether there  
>> is a SIM in the slot, or whether Gordon replaced it with the SIM  
>> from your service provider before he started the stage of setup  
>> that failed to complete download.  If he did replace the card,  
>> doesn't it need to be the one that is used for activation?  I have  
>> a 3G iPad, and did try to eject the micro-SIM card so I'd know what  
>> it was like (before starting service).  But I never went through  
>> any additional activation that required my changing the SIM card.   
>> And I also tried using this for quite a while before activating the  
>> 3G at all (just to see how it would work with GPS apps).
>>
>> Can you check that the appropriate SIM card is inserted if that's  
>> the stage that things failed at?
>>
>> If not, can you try to restart your computer and do the set up from  
>> scratch? You should still be able to recover back to factory  
>> settings and start again.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Esther
>>
>> Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
>>
>>> Hello everybody
>>>
>>> Could somebody confirm the steps to "force" the iPad/iPhone into  
>>> recovery mode? We're not sure it is properly in recovery mode  
>>> because we are not seeing the tabs associated with the device that  
>>> we should be seeing, hence we cannot restore it. Otherwise, is  
>>> there a way to manually download and install the firmware and  
>>> operating system?
>>>
>>> I want this sorted because he's getting himself wound up.
>>>
>>> Lynne
>>>
>


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 01:20:30 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 01:20:30 +0100
Subject: Back In Business we think!
Message-ID: <60602610-03F7-4176-B9F0-1ABD545389A8@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Esther and all

OK, my hope is that we now have a solution to our iPad problem. I started playing around with windows inside of iTunes. As I pushed the splitter bars around, I eventually exposed another window which was hidden previously under one of the bars. It contained what VoiceOver described as "unknown", but it was actually the iPad logo.

I clicked on the logo and then a restore button appeared.  I clicked it and now our iPod is working again.!

Thank you to all who offered advice. This is new in either iTunes 9.1 or with the iPad. But it could be problematic for the visually impaired.

Lynne, incredibly relieved!


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 01:27:27 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 01:27:27 +0100
Subject: Just to confirm
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Hello Esther

On 8 Jun 2010, at 01:16, Esther wrote:

The iPad has a home and power (or sleep/wake) button to lock the screen just as the iPhone and iPod touch do.  I'm talking about the button at the far right along the top edge of the iPad when you hold it in portrait mode with the home button at the bottom.  Pressing the two of these buttons simultaneously should allow you to power down your iPad, just as I could with the iPod Touch.  In that case the power off or sleep/wake button was near the left top edge.  It works the same way to do a reset.  I'm confused by your statement that the iPad doesn't have a "menu" button.  What menu button are we talking about, and how is this used in the reset or restore process?

Yes, I understood that; but there was reference to the "menu" button, which doesn't exist, of course.

I don't think you have to download the OS, but I'm rather confused at this point.  You might check whether there is a backup for your iPad in ~/Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup,  From Finder, use Command-Shift-H to go to your home directory then use Command-Shift-G ("Go to folder"), paste:
Library/Application Support/MobileSync/Backup
into the text field and press return.  You should have a set of folders withe really long sets of numbers and letters.  This is the Unique Device Identifier for your iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch.  It shows up when your device is connected (on the summary tab screen, I think).  If you have the System Activity Monitor app (for freeing memory), it's the really long number after the "Device ID:" field on the "Network" screen (double tap the middle of the 5 buttons on the bottom of the screen).  If you have a recently updated backup folder for a really
long device that you can't match up to your other iPhones or iPod Touches, that belongs to the iPad.

According to the Apple HowTo, you do indeed have to re-download the OS to do a full restore. But not to worry, we're up and running again now. This concerns me though because the window where I eventually found the icon was completely hidden by default. I only found it by expanding and collapsing windows one by one and dragging things around.

As soon as the window appeared, it just worked.

It was trying to use a backup which caused this in the first place - so I think we'll start from scratch.

Again I am sorry for all the hassles on list, and thank you ever so much for trying so hard to help us. We both appreciate it very much indeed.

Lynne


From moriond at mac.com  Tue Jun  8 01:45:06 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 14:45:06 -1000
Subject: Back In Business we think!
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Message-ID: <D9237498-C2B0-4FC2-8DE4-E52B79D0B0CD@mac.com>

Hi Lynne,

Very happy to hear that all is working.  I actually reconfigure my  
iTunes to look as much as possible like the way it did in iTunes 8 --  
I immediately changed the column browser in the "View" menu so that it  
was displayed "on top", the way it always used to appear.  I think  
that when you do that there's no problem with hiding windows with the  
splitters.  I also note that I can now give instructions for setting  
up the Apple Remote app by telling people to press tab twice (instead  
of VO-Right arrow twice) to reach the field where you input your 4- 
digit code to pair your device.

Cheers,

Esther

Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Esther and all
>
> OK, my hope is that we now have a solution to our iPad problem. I  
> started playing around with windows inside of iTunes. As I pushed  
> the splitter bars around, I eventually exposed another window which  
> was hidden previously under one of the bars. It contained what  
> VoiceOver described as "unknown", but it was actually the iPad logo.
>
> I clicked on the logo and then a restore button appeared.  I clicked  
> it and now our iPod is working again.!
>
> Thank you to all who offered advice. This is new in either iTunes  
> 9.1 or with the iPad. But it could be problematic for the visually  
> impaired.
>
> Lynne, incredibly relieved!
>


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 01:58:02 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 01:58:02 +0100
Subject: Back In Business we think!
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Hello Esther

On 8 Jun 2010, at 01:45, Esther wrote:

Very happy to hear that all is working.  I actually reconfigure my iTunes to look as much as possible like the way it did in iTunes 8 -- I immediately changed the column browser in the "View" menu so that it was displayed "on top", the way it always used to appear.  I think that when you do that there's no problem with hiding windows with the splitters.  I also note that I can now give instructions for setting up the Apple Remote app by telling people to press tab twice (instead of VO-Right arrow twice) to reach the field where you input your 4-digit code to pair your device.

Actually, we had the column browser turned off. I just enabled it and moved it to the top in the view menu. It now lets me see more information about content without having to pull it down all the time which is nicer for me with vision.

I will play with that later. But now we can go and get some shut-eyes knowing that this problem is fixed by the morning it should be synced.

Thank you again for your help.

Lynne


From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Tue Jun  8 10:23:39 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 10:23:39 +0100
Subject: IPhone OS 4.0 & Mac OS X 10.6.4
Message-ID: <26CBED97-3005-4DF8-B344-090B1224EE9B@gmail.com>

Hi gang, 

I thought that these two were supposed to be released yesterday? This does not seem to have happened yet?

TC
James 

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 11:39:20 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 11:39:20 +0100
Subject: IPhone OS 4.0 & Mac OS X 10.6.4
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References: <26CBED97-3005-4DF8-B344-090B1224EE9B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FC140634-1AFF-49C6-A029-D796BDACBE2E@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi James

No, it is released on 21 June.

Gordon

On 8 Jun 2010, at 10:23, James & Nash wrote:

Hi gang, 

I thought that these two were supposed to be released yesterday? This does not seem to have happened yet?

TC
James 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Tue Jun  8 12:24:32 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:24:32 +0100
Subject: IPhone OS 4.0 & Mac OS X 10.6.4
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Ah okay thanks Gordon, my mistake. Is that the same for the Mac OS X update?

TC
James 
On 8 Jun 2010, at 11:39, Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi James
> 
> No, it is released on 21 June.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 8 Jun 2010, at 10:23, James & Nash wrote:
> 
> Hi gang, 
> 
> I thought that these two were supposed to be released yesterday? This does not seem to have happened yet?
> 
> TC
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 12:48:41 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 12:48:41 +0100
Subject: IPhone OS 4.0 & Mac OS X 10.6.4
In-Reply-To: <B979A626-34B2-4972-A251-B93A4041B0B4@gmail.com>
References: <26CBED97-3005-4DF8-B344-090B1224EE9B@gmail.com>
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Hello James

This will be quick; as I'm home for lunch but need to get back soon.

On 8 Jun 2010, at 12:24, James & Nash wrote:

? Ah okay thanks Gordon, my mistake. Is that the same for the Mac OS X update?

It isn't surprising people get so confused with all the rumour and speculation which circulates regarding Apple's products at times.

Sometimes, although I kind of understand why they do it, Apple's playing their cards so close to their chests exacerbates the speculation and confusion. It's human nature I think to anticipate; and we've all done it at times.

But let's face it, in this instance, it's sometimes good fun, if a little frustrating at others, when Apple keeps us guessing.

I will just say this much as a parting shot. If all other companies would follow Apple's example, (Microsoft being a case in point), the entire accessibility experience for those of you who have the misfortune of vision impairment and, in some case, hearing impairment also thrust upon them would be a far more pleasant and easy experience.

The disabled everywhere seem to be unnecessarily burdened with horrendous financial outlay which far exceeds the reasonable.

I don't care what the arguments regarding development are; the simple fact is that companies are charging extortionate prices for products that they know people have little option but to buy.

And again, I think Apple needs to be congratulated for their commitment to the disabled. They have changed the face of the entire industry forever. More and more disabled people are realising their potential thanks to Apple's policy of main stream adaptation and innovation. The point is that the adaptation they made to their hardware in no way hurts those who don't need them; they simply don't enable the functionality, end of story.

Microsoft, Nokia and others require what Gordon calls "bolt-on" parts in order to make their products useable. Eventually we can only hope they'll get the message; and come to the party.

Anyway this has turned into a ramble; and I have to go.

But just before I do go; thank you everybody for your tolerance yesterday while Gordon and I were experiencing such issues with the iPad. We know that there was a lot of traffic coming from us and we appreciate your patience and understanding.

Thankfully the iPad is now up, running and talking; so Gordon can start finding his way around it.

Lynne



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 13:17:59 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 13:17:59 +0100
Subject: iPad Query
Message-ID: <F32A5631-2C57-4597-806D-A2C4244F1406@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

Anybody with an iPad, I just have one quick query.

I thought you used iTunes to set your iPad up for your 3G carrier. Is that not correct, or is it somewhere in the settings on the iPad itself?

If it's part of iTunes, I confess I'm not seeing it. So I don't think it can be. So where do I find it in settings? I also need to set up wi-fi access which, I'm pretty sure is in the iPad itself as it is on the iPhone and iPod Touch.

Gillian is here at the moment, and she seems fascinated by the iPad.

Gordon


From moriond at mac.com  Tue Jun  8 14:01:53 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 03:01:53 -1000
Subject: iPad Query
In-Reply-To: <F32A5631-2C57-4597-806D-A2C4244F1406@tft-bbs.co.uk>
References: <F32A5631-2C57-4597-806D-A2C4244F1406@tft-bbs.co.uk>
Message-ID: <C7D0A17D-94EF-4C81-8173-B4D7869BFACF@mac.com>

Hi Gordon,

To set up your 3G go to Settings > Cellular Data> View Account .  On  
the iPad the main categories like "Cellular Data" and "General" remain  
listed at the left hand side of the device under a "Settings" heading,  
and the detailed settings are listed on the right side of the screen  
(e.g., under "Cellular Data", if that's what you selected).

I set up my WiFi first, under Settings > General > Network > WiFi.  I  
read that the first day the iPad was introduced to the UK, the number  
of new 3G owners trying to activate their devices overloaded the  
servers and brought them down for several hours.  Detailed setup  
instructions for the UK vary by service provider.  I think that for O2  
you can do the setup activation entirely from the iPad, but for  
Vodafone and Orange you need to call in for activation.

Cheers,

Esther

Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Anybody with an iPad, I just have one quick query.
>
> I thought you used iTunes to set your iPad up for your 3G carrier.  
> Is that not correct, or is it somewhere in the settings on the iPad  
> itself?
>
> If it's part of iTunes, I confess I'm not seeing it. So I don't  
> think it can be. So where do I find it in settings? I also need to  
> set up wi-fi access which, I'm pretty sure is in the iPad itself as  
> it is on the iPhone and iPod Touch.
>
> Gillian is here at the moment, and she seems fascinated by the iPad.
>
> Gordon
>


From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 14:46:47 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 14:46:47 +0100
Subject: iPad Query
In-Reply-To: <C7D0A17D-94EF-4C81-8173-B4D7869BFACF@mac.com>
References: <F32A5631-2C57-4597-806D-A2C4244F1406@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<C7D0A17D-94EF-4C81-8173-B4D7869BFACF@mac.com>
Message-ID: <266928E8-722E-4699-BCB4-9CB232171705@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi Esther

Your knowledge of the UK market is very impressive. :)  Yes, I read about the server crash.  I still need to find out how the provider's Wi-Fi hotspots work over here actually because I have a plan which incorporates it for the iPhone and I've never even used the Wi-Fi.

Anyway, I'm about to go shut down my MacBook, and try my first serious setup stuff on iPad. I first need to reorientate the screen since I think it's in landscape mode even when upright, so I must have locked it there somehow I think.  We have a keyboard Dock but it seems you cannot actually control the iPad that way, only type in text boxes.  Understandable I guess, just thought it might be quicker.

If I've done the sync properly, I'll try writing to the list from the iPad.

Thanks.

Gordon


On 8 Jun 2010, at 14:01, Esther wrote:

Hi Gordon,

To set up your 3G go to Settings > Cellular Data> View Account .  On the iPad the main categories like "Cellular Data" and "General" remain listed at the left hand side of the device under a "Settings" heading, and the detailed settings are listed on the right side of the screen (e.g., under "Cellular Data", if that's what you selected).

I set up my WiFi first, under Settings > General > Network > WiFi.  I read that the first day the iPad was introduced to the UK, the number of new 3G owners trying to activate their devices overloaded the servers and brought them down for several hours.  Detailed setup instructions for the UK vary by service provider.  I think that for O2 you can do the setup activation entirely from the iPad, but for Vodafone and Orange you need to call in for activation.

Cheers,

Esther

Gordon Smith wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> Anybody with an iPad, I just have one quick query.
> 
> I thought you used iTunes to set your iPad up for your 3G carrier. Is that not correct, or is it somewhere in the settings on the iPad itself?
> 
> If it's part of iTunes, I confess I'm not seeing it. So I don't think it can be. So where do I find it in settings? I also need to set up wi-fi access which, I'm pretty sure is in the iPad itself as it is on the iPhone and iPod Touch.
> 
> Gillian is here at the moment, and she seems fascinated by the iPad.
> 
> Gordon
> 

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From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 16:08:24 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:08:24 +0100
Subject: ipad Setup very sluggish with VoiceOver
Message-ID: <6C27E88C-868D-4CF9-9577-FFFEE5082C8E@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

Setting up 3G with VoiceOver is extremely sluggish.  I hope that general web browsing is not like this because VoiceOver just stops responding for a couple of minutes at a time.

Also, I am finding that, for some reason, when I encounter a switch button in the cellular data settings dialogue, I can't tell whether it's saying "off", or "On" when I'm trying to select an account type.

Frankly, the idea of having radio buttons treated as "On/Off" switches is, I think, really a little silly.

For instance, in this particular case, I cannot even see any of the alternate account types listed on screen, let alone selectable.

Just first impressions and I hope it gets better.  It seems also that when you enter your data and click the Next button, if you make an error, VoiceOver just goes totally quiet.  Flicking, swiping and any other navigation just won't work when the cellular data module is doing its stuff.

I'm also surprised that I cannot do things like press buttons with the keyboard dock, and move the cursor as in VoiceOver control on the Mac.  Surely, it would have been a logical extension, don't you think?  After all, what is the point of having an external keyboard if you cannot manipulate the iPad with it?

I need to find out if the manual for the keyboard dock is available for download.  Otherwise I'll have to scan it so I know exactly what is and isn't supposed to work.

Gordon



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Tue Jun  8 16:55:19 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 16:55:19 +0100
Subject: iPad Case From Apple ... Don't!
Message-ID: <64636B3D-AD5B-4CA0-A29F-B54BCB6D1586@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all

OK, I have just picked myself up off the floor after I opened the packaging of the iPad case I bought from Apple.  The case is, in Apple's view at least, a "deluxe iPad case".

Basically, it's just 2 pieces of plastic with a micro-film inside to line the case.  In one side there is a hard piece of card to stop it from bending.  That's your screen protector.

To insert the iPac into the case, you have to pull a plastic seam around the corners of the iPad and the edges.  The case itself doesn't fasten closed, not even with velco (excuse the spelling).  How Apple can justify charging over ?25 Sterling for that, I will never know.  But it isn't going to last very long because you have to put so much pressure on the plastic seam when you close it that it's going to split before long.


I've never seen a case like that in my entire life!  Whoever designed that should be taken outside and shot!



From moriond at mac.com  Tue Jun  8 17:38:39 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 06:38:39 -1000
Subject: Free BBC News App now available for iPhone (outside of UK)
Message-ID: <0AC919B9-25DE-42FE-9238-D675C8603EA9@mac.com>

Hi,

The BBC News App initially released for the iPad only is now available  
as a universal binary for iPhone and iPod Touch as well.   
Unfortunately, due to commercial pressures from other media in the UK,  
the BBC are not yet able to offer this app in the UK, pending a review  
of the terms of their charge.  See the Guardian article titled "BBC  
told to delay iPhone apps" for details:
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/mar/29/bbc-digital-media>

You can get the free BBC News app (available everywhere except the UK)  
from:
<http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bbc-news/id364147881?mt=8>

The app offers streaming from BBC World Services ("Live Radio" button  
at top left), as well as articles in various news categories.  The  
"Edit" button allows you to add other categories (e.g. for specific  
categories of interest like "Sports", "Entertainment", "Health", etc.  
or for additional news coverage for specific regions of the world) and  
also to reorder them, by using the "reorder" button at the right of  
each entry. (Double tap and hold the button, then drag the entry up or  
down before releasing.) It also allows you to add coverage for news in  
other languages.  (This will be more useful when we get the language  
rotor following the OS 4.0 release on June 21.)  Note that on the iPad  
the "Edit" button only appears when the device is in landscape mode  
and on the iPhone or iPod Touch this button only appears in portrait  
mode.  There are three unlabeled buttons at the bottom on the iPhone  
app once you have double tapped on a news category when you read  
individual articles.  These are:  a sharing button (bottom left) and  
font size smaller and larger buttons (bottom right). There should also  
be buttons to go forward and backwards to the next/previous article in  
each news category at the top right of the screen for each article.   
On my iPod Touch, the screen just "boinks" when I touch the top right  
corner.  To advance to the next or previous article I need to toggle  
VoiceOver off and swipe to the left or right.

They seem to have re-designed the app slightly to match the iPhone  
app.  I think the original release of the BBC app for the iPad worked  
better with VoiceOver for iPad users.  To go through the complete list  
of stories in each category I now toggle VoiceOver off and swipe to  
the left or right in the category strip. Within a category, I  
currently prefer reading in portrait mode on the iPad and landscape  
mode on the iPhone/iPod Touch.  The reason is that this gives a better  
browsing experience flicking through or touching the individual  
article titles (in the respective modes on iPod and iPad), and also  
displays more articles in each category before I have to toggle  
VoiceOver off and swipe (if I want to see more than just the first  
entries in the category).  The other reason for using landscape (in  
the case of the iPhone/iPod Touch) is when you stream from the "Live  
Radio" button, your player is launched in landscape mode (just as with  
movies, etc.), so it's easier to access the controls. (This is also  
true if you add the "Audio & Video" category to your selected  
categories; any selections you play will launch the player controls in  
landscape mode.)

You should all probably experiment on preferred settings and playback  
usage.  I'm mostly using the iPad for this app, since the layout and  
selection are much more convenient: many categories displayed at once,  
and you can start or stop the "Live Radio" and audio or video  
selections streaming without leaving the current screen display, etc.

I'm not sure whether the font adjustments help at all for low vision  
users, but as a tip, if you don't want to adjust these within the app  
screen using the unlabeled buttons on a per article basis, you can go  
to "Settings > BBC News > Article Font Size" in the main iPhone/iPod  
Touch/iPad Menu.  Incidentally, although those buttons are labeled in  
the iPad app, they now have ridiculously long and unhelpful names like  
"bottom bar text decker button" for the font size adjustment and "icon  
underscore header underscore button underscore s button" for the  
sharing button.  Also, off topic, but does anyone recognize the voice  
used for the "Help" button information at the bottom of the "Edit"  
screen of this app?  It's not the standard UK voice for the iPhone.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Tue Jun  8 19:09:24 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 19:09:24 +0100
Subject: Does anyone know how to change Safari's default search engine with VO
	please
Message-ID: <72D08C6A-512A-4D71-BAF3-C0EAAC611943@gmail.com>

Hi gang, 

Is there a way to change Safari's default search engine using Voice Over please? I can't figure this out and I'm obviously being really dense. I can do this by using Terminal, but there's got to be another way. I don't mind using Terminal but surely there's a quicker way to do this?

Thanks 

TC
James 

From anne at anarchie.org.uk  Tue Jun  8 19:43:05 2010
From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:43:05 +0200
Subject: Does anyone know how to change Safari's default search engine
	with VO please
In-Reply-To: <72D08C6A-512A-4D71-BAF3-C0EAAC611943@gmail.com>
References: <72D08C6A-512A-4D71-BAF3-C0EAAC611943@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2D96706E-DC42-4383-8F1F-F0A2ADB0F5A7@anarchie.org.uk>

Hello James,

In the new version of Safari, you change the default search engine in the General tab of Safari Preferences.

I haven't updated mine yet, but one of the CeciMac list has.

Cheers,

Anne


On Jun 8, 2010, at 8:09 PM, James & Nash wrote:

> Hi gang, 
> 
> Is there a way to change Safari's default search engine using Voice Over please? I can't figure this out and I'm obviously being really dense. I can do this by using Terminal, but there's got to be another way. I don't mind using Terminal but surely there's a quicker way to do this?
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> TC
> James 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Tue Jun  8 19:56:01 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 19:56:01 +0100
Subject: Does anyone know how to change Safari's default search engine
	with VO please
In-Reply-To: <2D96706E-DC42-4383-8F1F-F0A2ADB0F5A7@anarchie.org.uk>
References: <72D08C6A-512A-4D71-BAF3-C0EAAC611943@gmail.com>
	<2D96706E-DC42-4383-8F1F-F0A2ADB0F5A7@anarchie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <B7176D72-508E-4713-90C8-E15F9B1A8487@gmail.com>

Thanks Anne,

Must have missed that both on the list and in Safari
TC
James 
On 8 Jun 2010, at 19:43, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello James,
> 
> In the new version of Safari, you change the default search engine in the General tab of Safari Preferences.
> 
> I haven't updated mine yet, but one of the CeciMac list has.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On Jun 8, 2010, at 8:09 PM, James & Nash wrote:
> 
>> Hi gang, 
>> 
>> Is there a way to change Safari's default search engine using Voice Over please? I can't figure this out and I'm obviously being really dense. I can do this by using Terminal, but there's got to be another way. I don't mind using Terminal but surely there's a quicker way to do this?
>> 
>> Thanks 
>> 
>> TC
>> James 
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From moriond at mac.com  Tue Jun  8 23:41:40 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2010 12:41:40 -1000
Subject: WWDC 2010 keynote
In-Reply-To: <89CDF3CD-C9AB-4B90-BBCB-F7790A6C164F@gmail.com>
References: <86240A37-CE41-4FB3-8D73-A86471BE03A0@gmail.com>
	<426CED5C-9500-4620-9CAA-6DF4CC2E411D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<89CDF3CD-C9AB-4B90-BBCB-F7790A6C164F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65FE12B0-7903-4E1B-A8F0-C15A0DB2180B@mac.com>

Hi,

The WWDC 2010 Keynote has been up for a while, but just in case anyone  
needs a link to the lower-bandwidth audio stream:
<http://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/jun/1006ad9g4hjk/1006127iojapsoiujdv_audio_ref.mov 
 >
For other versions, either download this as one of the WWDC Keynote  
podcasts from the iTunes store podcast page, or get the version/ 
resolution of your choice from the Macrumors forums link:
<http://insightview.com/keynotechecker/>

James & Nash wrote:

>> Hi gang
>>
>> Does anyone know if the Keynote Address for this year's WWDC is  
>> available yet. I can't find it on the site - perhaps I've not  
>> looked hard enough. Does anyone have any info please?
>>

Cheers,

Esther

From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Wed Jun  9 06:52:24 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 06:52:24 +0100
Subject: WWDC 2010 keynote
In-Reply-To: <65FE12B0-7903-4E1B-A8F0-C15A0DB2180B@mac.com>
References: <86240A37-CE41-4FB3-8D73-A86471BE03A0@gmail.com>
	<426CED5C-9500-4620-9CAA-6DF4CC2E411D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<89CDF3CD-C9AB-4B90-BBCB-F7790A6C164F@gmail.com>
	<65FE12B0-7903-4E1B-A8F0-C15A0DB2180B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <ED8C457F-1F91-41C9-B4EF-E8DB0EFFBBA9@gmail.com>

Thanks Esther, very much appreciated. Typically, I was being too impatient lol. I listened to it yesterday. It was very amusing. 

TC
James 
On 8 Jun 2010, at 23:41, Esther wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The WWDC 2010 Keynote has been up for a while, but just in case anyone needs a link to the lower-bandwidth audio stream:
> <http://stream.qtv.apple.com/events/jun/1006ad9g4hjk/1006127iojapsoiujdv_audio_ref.mov>
> For other versions, either download this as one of the WWDC Keynote podcasts from the iTunes store podcast page, or get the version/resolution of your choice from the Macrumors forums link:
> <http://insightview.com/keynotechecker/>
> 
> James & Nash wrote:
> 
>>> Hi gang
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know if the Keynote Address for this year's WWDC is available yet. I can't find it on the site - perhaps I've not looked hard enough. Does anyone have any info please?
>>> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
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From support at mac-access.net  Wed Jun  9 13:21:40 2010
From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:21:40 +0100
Subject: New Member Welcome
Message-ID: <1C453EEB-D51E-42F8-982F-E9490DFECBD6@mac-access.net>

Hello everybody

When a new member joins our group, it is traditional that Gordon and I try to welcome that member personally.

In keeping with that tradition, I'd like to welcome grandtheogonist at googlemail.com to the Mac-Access forum.

I'm sorry; I don't have your name ? but welcome anyway. I hope you find this forum of value.

Whatever your level of experience or expertise on the Mackintosh or iPhone OS platforms, please feel free to post your questions and comments. We're a rapidly grown but still friendly bunch of folk who are motivated to help one another where we can.

Most, but not all, are visually impaired; so the majority of the discussion is VoiceOver related.

Once again, welcome along.

Lynne



From support at mac-access.net  Wed Jun  9 13:23:46 2010
From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 13:23:46 +0100
Subject: New Member Welcome
Message-ID: <FE268BDD-4C65-44CE-BF73-E02C19110498@mac-access.net>

hello again everybody

I just sent one new member welcome; so I won't bother repeating all that again.

Suffice it to say that wighttiger12 at googlemail.com is also now with us, and is very welcome.

Lynne


From gordonkeen at googlemail.com  Wed Jun  9 15:23:10 2010
From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 15:23:10 +0100
Subject: Safari Extensions
Message-ID: <EBED0B34-54A3-41F3-A1DE-B13428B52302@googlemail.com>

Hi

Found this on the mac life rss feed, sounds like a handy place to find extensions:

http://safariextensions.tumblr.com/


Regards

G

From glorious Devon, England.

From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Jun  9 17:49:36 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 17:49:36 +0100
Subject: iPad: Setting Cellular Datas
Message-ID: <44675DC8-705F-40AD-A719-6D6084998C7C@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hi all.

I wonder whether somebody could be of assistance here because this has got me absolutely stumped.

With VoiceOver enabled, I am trying to set up an account for the iPac to use mobile cellular data.

So, I go to Settings > Cellular Data.  I get a field for each piece of user information:

Forst name, last name, E-Mail, Password and password verification.

Then there is a package selector button which only shows one package and VoiceOver says "Switch button, On", double-tap to toggle selection.

I don't see any other info there or any other packages.  So I click net, and nothing happens. I tried waiting a while but nothing happens at all.

Anybody know what I'm doing wrong?

Gordon



From g.roby at sky.com  Wed Jun  9 20:09:21 2010
From: g.roby at sky.com (Graham)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:09:21 +0100
Subject: Bootcamp problem 
Message-ID: <E5657CBF285A4903A20C6C459534ED0F@home>

Hi, 

A friend and I tried installing Windows XP proffessional via bootcamp on my Macbook 13 inch, running Snow Leopard 10.6 . I have 4gb ram installed with a 250gb hd with lots of spare capacity.

We made a 30gb partition, all seemed to go well. 
In the pdf instructions it said we'd need the bootcamp drivers off the Mac os 10.6 disk. 
However there doesn't seem to be any. 
We ran the Windows install and again all went well as XP seemed to have loaded. However there was no sound. 

We rebooted the Mac but we can't see anything that says boot in to Windows. 
We can see the partition which shows as unknown volume.  
I then downloaded the Bootcamp 3.1.exe file from apple support but I'm unsure where exactly this is supposed to be installed. 

Clicking on the exe file just opens my Fusion folder as though it is trying to start my virtual machine. 

Does anyone have any ideas where we could have gone wrong here?

Many thanks in advance for any help or advice offered. 

Kind regards
Graham

From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Jun  9 20:30:05 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:30:05 +0100
Subject: ABBYY FineReader Express Edition for Mac Build 3891
Message-ID: <F68C5E04-5212-45E9-9A92-58735076B10D@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

i have just located some new drivers for our CanoScan LIDE200 scanner that work in Snow Leopard.

I installed the scanner drivers and connected the scanner. When I pressed one of the function buttons on the front of the scanner, to my delight, Image Capture popped up and the scanner worked fine.

How do you add a scanner to Abbyy FineReader Express, does anybody know please?

I don't seem to be able to see any preferences window anywhere and only Files appear in the task list that's available.

I may also try VueScan to see if that sees it, and maybe even IRIS Pro. But Abbyy FineReader is by far the most accurate solution. I know you can scan to an image and then import that into FineReader. I may be forced to go that road. But the programme is supposed to handle scanners directly.

Gordon explained to me earlier that some Twain drivers are not native Intel-compliant drivers. And that is why sometimes they don't work. But in this case the drivers are specifically written for OSX 10.6 ? it specifically says so on the web page where I downloaded it yesterday.

Any help would be gratefully received.

Lynne



From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Jun  9 20:31:59 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:31:59 +0100
Subject: Bootcamp problem 
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Hello Graham

The Mac OS disk is a dual session disk. Put it in the drive under Windows and you will see the Windows drivers.

I hope that helps.

Lynne

On 9 Jun 2010, at 20:09, Graham wrote:

Hi, 

A friend and I tried installing Windows XP proffessional via bootcamp on my Macbook 13 inch, running Snow Leopard 10.6 . I have 4gb ram installed with a 250gb hd with lots of spare capacity.

We made a 30gb partition, all seemed to go well. 
In the pdf instructions it said we'd need the bootcamp drivers off the Mac os 10.6 disk. 
However there doesn't seem to be any. 
We ran the Windows install and again all went well as XP seemed to have loaded. However there was no sound. 

We rebooted the Mac but we can't see anything that says boot in to Windows. 
We can see the partition which shows as unknown volume.  
I then downloaded the Bootcamp 3.1.exe file from apple support but I'm unsure where exactly this is supposed to be installed. 

Clicking on the exe file just opens my Fusion folder as though it is trying to start my virtual machine. 

Does anyone have any ideas where we could have gone wrong here?

Many thanks in advance for any help or advice offered. 

Kind regards
Graham
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Wed Jun  9 20:39:22 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:39:22 +0100
Subject: ABBYY FineReader Express Edition for Mac Build 3891
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Hi Lynne
On 9 Jun 2010, at 20:30, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> How do you add a scanner to Abbyy FineReader Express, does anybody know please?
I am not sure if you can. We have an HP Scanjet and ABBEY Finereader just saw it. I do not think the CanoScan series work directly with the application.

HTH
TC
James 

> Hello everybody
> 
> i have just located some new drivers for our CanoScan LIDE200 scanner that work in Snow Leopard.
> 
> I installed the scanner drivers and connected the scanner. When I pressed one of the function buttons on the front of the scanner, to my delight, Image Capture popped up and the scanner worked fine.
> 
> How do you add a scanner to Abbyy FineReader Express, does anybody know please?
> 
> I don't seem to be able to see any preferences window anywhere and only Files appear in the task list that's available.
> 
> I may also try VueScan to see if that sees it, and maybe even IRIS Pro. But Abbyy FineReader is by far the most accurate solution. I know you can scan to an image and then import that into FineReader. I may be forced to go that road. But the programme is supposed to handle scanners directly.
> 
> Gordon explained to me earlier that some Twain drivers are not native Intel-compliant drivers. And that is why sometimes they don't work. But in this case the drivers are specifically written for OSX 10.6 ? it specifically says so on the web page where I downloaded it yesterday.
> 
> Any help would be gratefully received.
> 
> Lynne
> 
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Wed Jun  9 20:49:08 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:49:08 +0100
Subject: Another possible solution for SAfari 5 isues
Message-ID: <0856A635-2927-4AF0-BC36-68F40A05A3CF@gmail.com>

Hi folks, 

I have just discovered to my initial horror, that Safari 5 does not at present work on some sites. After I picked myself up off of the floor :), I decided to see if I could fool the sites by way of the Develop menu and chose IE 8 from the "User Agent" sub menu. This has so far worked flawlessly. You will need to choose IE 8 every time you launch Safari. I've not yet figured out a way to make this stick, but then I've not looked as it doesn't bother me to go and change it manually. You can access the "DEvelop" menu  by checking the "Show Develop menu in menu bar" from the "Advanced" pane of Safari Preferences. 

HTH
TC
James

From g.roby at sky.com  Wed Jun  9 20:47:01 2010
From: g.roby at sky.com (Graham)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:47:01 +0100
Subject: Bootcamp problem 
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	<D82B779C-1313-49ED-B4C4-270AE9B82C84@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Hi Lynne, 

Hope your well. 
Unfortunately we can't boot in to Windows as there doesn't seem to be an option to do so. 

When I turn my Macbook on, it boots straight in to the Mac OS and all we can see is the unknown drive which is the partition we created. 

Kind regards

Graham

On 9 Jun 2010, at 20:31, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello Graham
> 
> The Mac OS disk is a dual session disk. Put it in the drive under Windows and you will see the Windows drivers.
> 
> I hope that helps.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> On 9 Jun 2010, at 20:09, Graham wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> A friend and I tried installing Windows XP proffessional via bootcamp on my Macbook 13 inch, running Snow Leopard 10.6 . I have 4gb ram installed with a 250gb hd with lots of spare capacity.
> 
> We made a 30gb partition, all seemed to go well. 
> In the pdf instructions it said we'd need the bootcamp drivers off the Mac os 10.6 disk. 
> However there doesn't seem to be any. 
> We ran the Windows install and again all went well as XP seemed to have loaded. However there was no sound. 
> 
> We rebooted the Mac but we can't see anything that says boot in to Windows. 
> We can see the partition which shows as unknown volume.  
> I then downloaded the Bootcamp 3.1.exe file from apple support but I'm unsure where exactly this is supposed to be installed. 
> 
> Clicking on the exe file just opens my Fusion folder as though it is trying to start my virtual machine. 
> 
> Does anyone have any ideas where we could have gone wrong here?
> 
> Many thanks in advance for any help or advice offered. 
> 
> Kind regards
> Graham
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Jun  9 21:15:49 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 21:15:49 +0100
Subject: ABBYY FineReader Express Edition for Mac Build 3891
In-Reply-To: <49AE8E8D-126E-412D-87D4-E30870E38301@gmail.com>
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	<49AE8E8D-126E-412D-87D4-E30870E38301@gmail.com>
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Hello James

That's how it looks, yes. We also have an HP scanner but it is connect to our time capsule. I wonder why it isn't seeing that actually. Gordon says he'll try connecting it to the Mac directly and see what happens.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Jun  9 21:18:05 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 21:18:05 +0100
Subject: Another possible solution for SAfari 5 isues
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Hello James

Is Safari 5 a software update now from Apple?

Lynne

On 9 Jun 2010, at 20:49, James & Nash wrote:

Hi folks, 

I have just discovered to my initial horror, that Safari 5 does not at present work on some sites. After I picked myself up off of the floor :), I decided to see if I could fool the sites by way of the Develop menu and chose IE 8 from the "User Agent" sub menu. This has so far worked flawlessly. You will need to choose IE 8 every time you launch Safari. I've not yet figured out a way to make this stick, but then I've not looked as it doesn't bother me to go and change it manually. You can access the "DEvelop" menu  by checking the "Show Develop menu in menu bar" from the "Advanced" pane of Safari Preferences. 

HTH
TC
James
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From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Jun  9 21:21:33 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 21:21:33 +0100
Subject: Bootcamp problem 
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Hello Graham

On 9 Jun 2010, at 20:47, Graham wrote:

? Hope your well. 

I'll write you privately. :)

? Unfortunately we can't boot in to Windows as there doesn't seem to be an option to do so. 

yes, we got that problem as well. But we got around finding the drivers by putting the disk into a Virtual Machine running Windows 7 64-bit. It saw the drivers because it read the Windows session on the Snow Leopard disk.

You cannot see that session under OSX.

? When I turn my Macbook on, it boots straight in to the Mac OS and all we can see is the unknown drive which is the partition we created. 

yes, again that's what happened when I tried Boot Camp.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Jun  9 21:35:30 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 21:35:30 +0100
Subject: Safari 5; no problems so far
Message-ID: <56FB8441-C98E-4040-9D7A-74EF989110BF@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello everybody

I just updated our MBP to Safari 5 via software updates. It works fine it seems on all of our regularly visited sites.

James, can you point me to 1 that doesn't work for you? We are wondering whether it's a VoiceOver issue. Gordon thinks not if you're able to get around it by changing the browser ID string.

Lynne



From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Wed Jun  9 21:44:35 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 21:44:35 +0100
Subject: ABBYY FineReader Express Edition for Mac Build 3891
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You will most likely need drivers for that to work. We did. 
TC
James 
On 9 Jun 2010, at 21:15, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello James
> 
> That's how it looks, yes. We also have an HP scanner but it is connect to our time capsule. I wonder why it isn't seeing that actually. Gordon says he'll try connecting it to the Mac directly and see what happens.
> 
> Lynne
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Wed Jun  9 21:45:12 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 21:45:12 +0100
Subject: Another possible solution for SAfari 5 isues
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Hi Lynne,
On 9 Jun 2010, at 21:18, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:
> Is Safari 5 a software update now from Apple?

Yes it is just run Software Update.
TC
James 
> Hello James
> 
> Is Safari 5 a software update now from Apple?
> 
> Lynne
> 
> On 9 Jun 2010, at 20:49, James & Nash wrote:
> 
> Hi folks, 
> 
> I have just discovered to my initial horror, that Safari 5 does not at present work on some sites. After I picked myself up off of the floor :), I decided to see if I could fool the sites by way of the Develop menu and chose IE 8 from the "User Agent" sub menu. This has so far worked flawlessly. You will need to choose IE 8 every time you launch Safari. I've not yet figured out a way to make this stick, but then I've not looked as it doesn't bother me to go and change it manually. You can access the "DEvelop" menu  by checking the "Show Develop menu in menu bar" from the "Advanced" pane of Safari Preferences. 
> 
> HTH
> TC
> James
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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Wed Jun  9 21:46:24 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 21:46:24 +0100
Subject: Safari 5; no problems so far
In-Reply-To: <56FB8441-C98E-4040-9D7A-74EF989110BF@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Oh sites work ok for me but the Natwest Login page was not available under Safari.

http://www.natwest.co.uk
TC
James 
On 9 Jun 2010, at 21:35, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote:

> Hello everybody
> 
> I just updated our MBP to Safari 5 via software updates. It works fine it seems on all of our regularly visited sites.
> 
> James, can you point me to 1 that doesn't work for you? We are wondering whether it's a VoiceOver issue. Gordon thinks not if you're able to get around it by changing the browser ID string.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> 
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From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk  Wed Jun  9 22:05:58 2010
From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:05:58 +0100
Subject: Boot Camp driver and Fusion 
Message-ID: <508EAC6B-65A5-4324-918C-E37F74CEC3A1@hopewell.org.uk>

Hi Gordon, 
Following your earlier note I tried connecting iSight USB device to EWindows via the VMWare Fusion settings menu. As you said this displayed a message to the effect that I should first install the Apple Boot Camp driver virtual disk. 
Where can I find this disk? Is Boot Camp a separate product or is it part of standard Snow Leopard? I can see a utility wizard to help set up Boot Camp, but I do not want to run this as it wants to partition my hard disk which I don't want to do. My only interest in Boot Camp drivers is your comment that they make VMWare Fusion work better. 
In short I am confused!
Many thanks. 
  
Paul Hopewell 


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Jun  9 22:23:06 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:23:06 +0100
Subject: ABBYY FineReader Express Edition for Mac Build 3891
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References: <F68C5E04-5212-45E9-9A92-58735076B10D@tft-bbs.co.uk>
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Hello James

On 9 Jun 2010, at 21:44, James & Nash wrote:

? You will most likely need drivers for that to work. We did. 

I downloaded the OSX 10.6 latest driver set from the Canon website yesterday. The scanner itself works ? as in if I press the function buttons on the scanner, Image capture comes up and I can scan documents fine.

But FineRead and Vuescan simply won't see it.

Lynne



From gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Jun  9 22:25:21 2010
From: gordon at tft-bbs.co.uk (Gordon Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:25:21 +0100
Subject: Safari 5; no problems so far
In-Reply-To: <87B23DEF-73B1-4792-8743-3137CBE9A890@gmail.com>
References: <56FB8441-C98E-4040-9D7A-74EF989110BF@tft-bbs.co.uk>
	<87B23DEF-73B1-4792-8743-3137CBE9A890@gmail.com>
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Hello James

On 9 Jun 2010, at 21:46, James & Nash wrote:

? Oh sites work ok for me but the Natwest Login page was not available under Safari.

That site works perfectly for me using Safari 5 with and without VoiceOver running.

Lynne


From lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk  Wed Jun  9 22:28:30 2010
From: lynne at tft-bbs.co.uk (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:28:30 +0100
Subject: Boot Camp driver and Fusion 
In-Reply-To: <508EAC6B-65A5-4324-918C-E37F74CEC3A1@hopewell.org.uk>
References: <508EAC6B-65A5-4324-918C-E37F74CEC3A1@hopewell.org.uk>
Message-ID: <172D21A5-6191-4D1C-87FB-0A30A9DE37E7@tft-bbs.co.uk>

Hello Paul

I'm Gordon's other half; but let me answer this.

As I said in an earlier message tonight, put the OS CD into your drive while running a virtual machine. You'll see the Boot Camp drivers there.

Once installed, get the updated drivers ? I can send you them if you cannot find them. Make sure to select the 64-bit version if you are running 7-64.

Lynne

On 9 Jun 2010, at 22:05, Paul Hopewell wrote:

Hi Gordon, 
Following your earlier note I tried connecting iSight USB device to EWindows via the VMWare Fusion settings menu. As you said this displayed a message to the effect that I should first install the Apple Boot Camp driver virtual disk. 
Where can I find this disk? Is Boot Camp a separate product or is it part of standard Snow Leopard? I can see a utility wizard to help set up Boot Camp, but I do not want to run this as it wants to partition my hard disk which I don't want to do. My only interest in Boot Camp drivers is your comment that they make VMWare Fusion work better. 
In short I am confused!
Many thanks. 

Paul Hopewell 

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From james.austin1984 at googlemail.com  Wed Jun  9 20:46:01 2010
From: james.austin1984 at googlemail.com (James & Nash)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 20:46:01 +0100
Subject: Another possible solution for Safari 5 issues
Message-ID: <C1341295-8781-4B21-970B-9B6889CA92A8@gmail.com>

Hi folks, 

I have just discovered to my initial horror, that Safari 5 does not at present work on some sites. After I picked myself up off of the floor :), I decided to see if I could fool the sites by way of the Develop menu and chose IE 8 from the "User Agent" sub menu. This has so far worked flawlessly. You will need to choose IE 8 every time you launch Safari. I've not yet figured out a way to make this stick, but then I've not looked as it doesn't bother me to go and change it manually. You can access the "DEvelop" menu  by checking the "Show Develop menu in menu bar" from the "Advanced" pane of Safari Preferences. 

HTH
TC
James 

From support at mac-access.net  Thu Jun 10 00:59:56 2010
From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 00:59:56 +0100
Subject: Reminder
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Hello everybody

This is just a gentle reminder; please do not put this list as a carbon copy destination when bulk sending messages.

This is a common spam technique and, consequently, the list doesn't allow it.

What happens is that we get your message and need to forward it on to the list. So really all it does is creates extra work.

If you need to send the same message to multiple destinations, we suggest that you put your recipient's addresses all in the "to" field, separated by commas. For example:
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We are looking at ways to work around this and clean it up a little. But for the moment, your cooperation would be appreciated.

We do understand that it is very easy for anybody to forget things like this; so please don't take it personally anybody.

Thank you again for your understanding.

Lynne


From support at tft-bbs.com  Thu Jun 10 01:09:38 2010
From: support at tft-bbs.com (Gordon & Lynne Smith)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 01:09:38 +0100
Subject: Short Maintenance OUtage
Message-ID: <C796DC32-AC0F-4ABC-A56A-2DBA1503B437@tft-bbs.com>

Hello everybody

Owing to the need to perform a maintenance update on our server software, we are going to have to take the email server down for a short period of time. We do not anticipate any lengthy delays and expect everything to be back to normal after about 5 minutes.

We plan to do this work at around 00:30 UTC today We apologise for the short notice; but this work needs to be done as it implements an important server update.

Thank you as always for your understanding and rest assured we will be back on line as soon as possible. We only expect the server outage to last for around 5 minutes.

Lynne


From moriond at mac.com  Thu Jun 10 01:36:31 2010
From: moriond at mac.com (Esther)
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 14:36:31 -1000
Subject: Trippo VoiceMagix -- new speech recognition and translation app for
	iPhone on sale for $6.99 in U.S. App Store
Message-ID: <0EED45B9-3179-4CE3-BE8E-36B7D412FBCA@mac.com>

Hi All,

There's a new translation app just released in the U.S. iTunes Store  
named "Trippo VoiceMagix" by Cellictica that just went on sale for a  
promotional price of $6.99 (regular price is $24.99). I don't know how  
long this price will last, but many current reductions are timed to  
the WWDC 2010 this week.  The link to the app is:
Trippo VoiceMagix by Cellictica ($6.99, regularly $24.99):
<http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/trippo-voicemagix/id372332910?mt=8>

I'll paste in the list of features from the app store description, and  
then go on to give a detailed description of its usage with VoiceOver:
<begin excerpt>
FEATURES

- Voice input in US English

- 27 languages supported (Arabic, Bulgarian, Chinese Simplified,  
Chinese Traditional, Danish, Dutch, English, French, German, Greek,  
Hausa, Hebrew, Hindi, Hungarian, Italian, Japanese, Norwegian,  
Persian, Polish, Portuguese, Pashto, Romanian, Russian, Somali,  
Spanish, Serbian, Thai, Urdu)

- Accurate speech recognition by Nuance

- Natural sounding voice output for Chinese, Dutch, French, German,  
Greek, Hindi, Italian, Japanese, Polish, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish,  
Thai

- Adjustable speed for voice output

- Mode selection: Speech-to-speech, Speech-to-translated text only or  
Speech-to-recognized text only

- Send the translation by email

- Full license includes upgrades to new features, like additional  
languages, sharing features etc.
<end excerpt>

The app is accessible and has some really interesting features for  
people who are interested in using their iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad with  
different languages, and some unique features that extend use (with  
spoken translation and text) to languages that are not even currently  
supported on these devices.  First, it's powered by the Nuance engine  
that is used by Dragon Dictation and Dragon Search, so one input mode  
is to speak rather than type in the text you want translated, and let  
the app transcribe it by voice recognition.  Because the engine is set  
to recognize U.S. English, this app appears to only be available in  
the U.S. iTunes Store at present; I checked the Canadian store, and  
couldn't find the app. Second, you can have the app speak the text  
that you entered.  (This only works now if you either typed or spoke  
your input entry with English selected with the "Translate from:"  
button.  You can translate to and from a very large number of language  
combinations, if you're just working with text, and don't use the app  
to speak the entries.)  Third, for thirteen of the twenty-five  
languages selectable with the "Translate to" button, you can have the  
app speak the translated results. The spoken translations work for a  
number of languages with non-Roman scripts, including Chinese (both  
simplified and traditional characters), Greek, Hindi, Japanese,  
Russian, and Thai.  Languages like Hindi are not even supported  
otherwise on the iPhone. Nor are (in just text mode) Urdu, Hausa,  
Persian, and Pushtu (which are some of the other "Translate to"  
options).

Voice recognition mode is pretty good, and fairly fast, since it's  
powered by the Nuance engine.  The app has a simple layout with a  
labeled "Translate from" button, a "Translate to" button, a text box  
area for input text to be typed in, and just beside it to the right, a  
Microphone button labeled "BTN underscore Mic" for voice input. There  
is similarly a translation text box for the results, and buttons for  
"Translate" and "Listen".

There are a few VoiceOver specific notes that may be useful.  Although  
layout is slightly different between portrait and landscape  
orientation (with portrait mode having the text entry input above the  
translation output, while in landscape mode the text box for the input  
language is on the left, and the output translation on the right),  
both screens have a button at the bottom center of the screen: "BTN  
underscore arrow underscore show". Tapping this button reveals three  
buttons at the bottom of the screen: "Help", "About", and "Settings".  
"Help" brings up a screen with a tutorial on how to use the app.  The  
"Settings" button lets you select the rate of the speech returned from  
translation, and also to select the mode of operation. By default, it  
is set for speech to speech, which means that you speak your text (in  
English) and get spoken results (for languages that support it).   
However, you can also just type in your text (in any language), and  
use the buttons to run a translation to another language and/or press  
the button to have the text spoken.  (You can even paste in text to  
the translation field and press the button to have it spoken, although  
working with these fields without having the keyboard get in the way  
is a bit buggy in the initial release.)

The other major issue for VoiceOver users is that the language picker  
wheels do not indicate which output languages support speech. You  
should refer to the pasted description, or the developer's web page  
for the list of translated languages with spoken output options:  
Chinese, Dutch, French, German, Greek, Hindi, Italian, Japanese,  
Polish, Portuguese, Russian, Spanish, Thai.

In terms of output text usage, iPad users may find, in addition to the  
app's support of languages that are not even supported on the iPhone,  
that they get text output for languages whose keyboard input is not  
currently supported on the iPad: Bulgarian, Traditional Chinese,  
Greek, Arabic, Hebrew, Serbian, Thai, Portuguese, Danish, Romanian,  
Norwegian, and Polish.  You can copy and paste the text into your  
favorite notes app (e.g. Simplenotes for additional synched access  
through your computer, or even the default Notes app).  Also,  
according to the Multilingual Mac web pages, apps like Pages on the  
iPad will correctly support these languages when pasted in, even  
though the keyboard text input for the iPad doesn't currently support  
these languages. A recent post on the Multilingual Mac pages indicates  
that some of this language support (e.g, for Hindi, which you can get  
both spoken and written text output with this app), will still not be  
in the iOS 4 release.

Let me try to summarize the features of this app in the context of  
what else is available in the app store. If you're looking to use a  
dictionary, translation app, or voices in a standard supported  
language, such as French, Spanish, German, or Italian, you have access  
to many more apps and some really good voices.  The Acapela voices  
(sold as Infovox on the Mac) are available via in-app purchase for  
apps such as  Voxtrek (GPS navigation) and Speak It! (general text to  
speech).  If you're looking for voices, text, or simple translation  
with a well-supported language, then you can probably use other apps.   
Even for languages with non-Roman text entry, like Russian, I can find  
translation apps that use the high quality Loquendo voices that will  
do a better job (even though the app is mostly inaccessible to  
VoiceOver and requires requires fiddling to navigate to the one part  
of the app that is usable).  However, many other languages,  
particularly languages that do not use Roman alphabets to input text,  
are not similarly supported in the app store and are especially not  
well-supported through VoiceOver.  And these apps do not support  
speech recognition for translation entry.  What is unique about this  
app is its support for both spoken and text translation output for a  
wide variety of languages, including several which do not use Roman  
alphabet characters for input and/or do not have full or even any  
support on the iPhone/iPad.  The developers, a Finnish company named  
"Cellictica", are distributing versions for multiple plat