From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon Aug 1 00:59:00 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 19:59:00 -0400 Subject: VLC: jump to time not working? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1D9F29F1-2BBB-47CE-9620-EC410E6B64DD@softcon.com> I've never tried using the jump to time option, but just for reference, I've never gotten the backup or rewind functions (or whatever vlc calls it) to work, in *any* version of vlc with any version of osx. I don't think you're experiencing anything new, but it could just be me. From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 01:10:52 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 17:10:52 -0700 Subject: mail and rss: os lion Message-ID: <4C1F3427-D786-431F-9EAF-A12585062B79@gmail.com> Hello to all.. I imported my rss feeds in to lion. I can see them but they refuse to update. How can I fix this? I have my apple mail set to read rss feeds so what do I need to do now? Thanks. From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 01:30:30 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 17:30:30 -0700 Subject: Hopeing and Wishing Apple will Fix OS X Lion VoiceOver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F0C0365-7A2F-4FF9-83AF-840156EEFD39@gmail.com> and don't forget the build number as well. you can't forget the build number. Oh and I'm having no issues with vo but thanks for the reminder. In this case the build number is Build 11A511 Take care. On Jul 31, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: > Since OS X Lion was made available, I've seen lots of blind VoiceOver > users say things such as: "I hope Apple will fix this", "I wish Apple > will fix that", and "I know Apple will fix this". > > Sorry to burst people's bubbles, but Apple are not mind readers, they > don't know all these issues discussed, and are not all magical. Apple > has lots of hardware, software, and lots of things that they are > always working on, new things, fixing bugs, and they are not all > focused on accessibility. > > Why not help out Apple accessibility, who are very understanding, > commited, appreciate feedback, and will do their best to address the > feedback, as long as it was provided to begin with. > > The best way to let Apple accessibility know of these issues is their > very easy to memorize and use E-mail address: > Accessibility at Apple.com > or, there's the option to use AppleCare. > > In either case, the more information that is provided, the better. > > Please let Apple accessibility know the following: > Application (If not default, any custom preferences/settings): > Summary: > Steps to Reproduce > Expected: > Actual: > Regression (Is this bug or new to Lion, IE: were things working as > expected in OS X 10.6.8): > Notes: > > Please, with your help, Apple accessibility has the opportunity to > make OS X Lion VoiceOver 4 a lot better. Now, please go out and > provide the great, detailed, and constructive feedback. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 01:31:35 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 17:31:35 -0700 Subject: time machine: what can I actually extract? In-Reply-To: <6EC5DC51-C888-4399-85AB-86DB28C5194C@computing.dcu.ie> References: <7CDDB364-FFC3-4E83-9B28-B5BB1052D325@computing.dcu.ie> <6EC5DC51-C888-4399-85AB-86DB28C5194C@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <5D907E57-18D5-4963-A97C-C1749252345A@gmail.com> lol. then you can just o[en the tm drive like a regular drive and copy the stuff over. I do this on a daily bases as I'm constantly making mistakes and removing stuff. On Jul 31, 2011, at 3:39 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Ah no, I use a subversion repository for all my important documents, and mail is on a server which is backed up nightly to a tape-drive. However I was in a hurry a while back and needed to backup my old iMac. So I took the lazy route and used time machine. Now I simply want to extract some old documents (all right I'll admit it, old audiobooks and music that I should never have had in the first place and can't replace) but that's about it. As I said, the old 17" iMac has moved on to other things and isn't being used as my personal machine any more which is why I can't copy stuff directly across. > On 31 Jul 2011, at 23:35, Jon Cohn wrote: > >> Are you attempting to keep the entire Time Machine system, or one specific snap shot of the disk? >> >> If the latter, then I would suggest using carbon copy cloner or super duper. Time machine backups break the rule of never creating har links at the directory level, so I am not sure how programs like tar or cp would handle this. >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> On Jul 31, 2011, at 5:34 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Evening all, >>> >>> Ok I'm no expert when it comes to Time machine. My usual backup strategy doesn't actually rely on an automated system such as time machine, but rather uses documents stored in a Subversion repository. However, for reasons far to boring to go into, I used Time machine to back up an old iMac of mine about a year ago. This backup is on an external drive which I want to now use for something else. >>> >>> So, I want to take off all documents, and other files, store them on my Macbook pro then format the external disk. I presume this is feasible? In other words I'm essentially moving documents from an old iMac, through Time MAchine to my MacBook Pro? The reason, incidentally that I don't just copy the docs and other files from the iMac to the external hd and thence to my Macbook Pro (or indeed copy them from one to another using a crossover ethernet) is that the old iMac has been formatted many times since as it's become sort of our lab's generic development/user-testing machine. >>> >>> Thanks much, >>> >>> D?nal >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Aug 1 03:41:51 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 12:41:51 +1000 Subject: The New 1 1 Password Extension to safari and Lion Message-ID: <4E36126F.5050707@internode.on.net> Read all about it here. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia skype callto:grtdane12 MSN: grtdane at dane-trethowan.net From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Aug 1 04:55:24 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 04:55:24 +0100 Subject: Hopeing and Wishing Apple will Fix OS X Lion VoiceOver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3215BDDF-F25A-4AF3-B5C1-EEC1837A9DE3@blueyonder.co.uk> You can also go to http://bugreport.apple.com and report your issues there too. On 31 Jul 2011, at 23:01, Kevin Chao wrote: > Since OS X Lion was made available, I've seen lots of blind VoiceOver > users say things such as: "I hope Apple will fix this", "I wish Apple > will fix that", and "I know Apple will fix this". > > Sorry to burst people's bubbles, but Apple are not mind readers, they > don't know all these issues discussed, and are not all magical. Apple > has lots of hardware, software, and lots of things that they are > always working on, new things, fixing bugs, and they are not all > focused on accessibility. > > Why not help out Apple accessibility, who are very understanding, > commited, appreciate feedback, and will do their best to address the > feedback, as long as it was provided to begin with. > > The best way to let Apple accessibility know of these issues is their > very easy to memorize and use E-mail address: > Accessibility at Apple.com > or, there's the option to use AppleCare. > > In either case, the more information that is provided, the better. > > Please let Apple accessibility know the following: > Application (If not default, any custom preferences/settings): > Summary: > Steps to Reproduce > Expected: > Actual: > Regression (Is this bug or new to Lion, IE: were things working as > expected in OS X 10.6.8): > Notes: > > Please, with your help, Apple accessibility has the opportunity to > make OS X Lion VoiceOver 4 a lot better. Now, please go out and > provide the great, detailed, and constructive feedback. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 05:11:02 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2011 21:11:02 -0700 Subject: Hopeing and Wishing Apple will Fix OS X Lion VoiceOver In-Reply-To: <3215BDDF-F25A-4AF3-B5C1-EEC1837A9DE3@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <3215BDDF-F25A-4AF3-B5C1-EEC1837A9DE3@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: but you need to have a free dev account I believe. Thanks for that as well. Take care all. On Jul 31, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > You can also go to http://bugreport.apple.com and report your issues there too. > > On 31 Jul 2011, at 23:01, Kevin Chao wrote: > >> Since OS X Lion was made available, I've seen lots of blind VoiceOver >> users say things such as: "I hope Apple will fix this", "I wish Apple >> will fix that", and "I know Apple will fix this". >> >> Sorry to burst people's bubbles, but Apple are not mind readers, they >> don't know all these issues discussed, and are not all magical. Apple >> has lots of hardware, software, and lots of things that they are >> always working on, new things, fixing bugs, and they are not all >> focused on accessibility. >> >> Why not help out Apple accessibility, who are very understanding, >> commited, appreciate feedback, and will do their best to address the >> feedback, as long as it was provided to begin with. >> >> The best way to let Apple accessibility know of these issues is their >> very easy to memorize and use E-mail address: >> Accessibility at Apple.com >> or, there's the option to use AppleCare. >> >> In either case, the more information that is provided, the better. >> >> Please let Apple accessibility know the following: >> Application (If not default, any custom preferences/settings): >> Summary: >> Steps to Reproduce >> Expected: >> Actual: >> Regression (Is this bug or new to Lion, IE: were things working as >> expected in OS X 10.6.8): >> Notes: >> >> Please, with your help, Apple accessibility has the opportunity to >> make OS X Lion VoiceOver 4 a lot better. Now, please go out and >> provide the great, detailed, and constructive feedback. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Aug 1 07:00:27 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 07:00:27 +0100 Subject: Hopeing and Wishing Apple will Fix OS X Lion VoiceOver In-Reply-To: References: <3215BDDF-F25A-4AF3-B5C1-EEC1837A9DE3@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Nope, you can use your Apple ID. On 1 Aug 2011, at 05:11, Sarah Alawami wrote: > but you need to have a free dev account I believe. Thanks for that as well. > > Take care all. > On Jul 31, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> You can also go to http://bugreport.apple.com and report your issues there too. >> >> On 31 Jul 2011, at 23:01, Kevin Chao wrote: >> >>> Since OS X Lion was made available, I've seen lots of blind VoiceOver >>> users say things such as: "I hope Apple will fix this", "I wish Apple >>> will fix that", and "I know Apple will fix this". >>> >>> Sorry to burst people's bubbles, but Apple are not mind readers, they >>> don't know all these issues discussed, and are not all magical. Apple >>> has lots of hardware, software, and lots of things that they are >>> always working on, new things, fixing bugs, and they are not all >>> focused on accessibility. >>> >>> Why not help out Apple accessibility, who are very understanding, >>> commited, appreciate feedback, and will do their best to address the >>> feedback, as long as it was provided to begin with. >>> >>> The best way to let Apple accessibility know of these issues is their >>> very easy to memorize and use E-mail address: >>> Accessibility at Apple.com >>> or, there's the option to use AppleCare. >>> >>> In either case, the more information that is provided, the better. >>> >>> Please let Apple accessibility know the following: >>> Application (If not default, any custom preferences/settings): >>> Summary: >>> Steps to Reproduce >>> Expected: >>> Actual: >>> Regression (Is this bug or new to Lion, IE: were things working as >>> expected in OS X 10.6.8): >>> Notes: >>> >>> Please, with your help, Apple accessibility has the opportunity to >>> make OS X Lion VoiceOver 4 a lot better. Now, please go out and >>> provide the great, detailed, and constructive feedback. >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From d.griffith at btinternet.com Mon Aug 1 07:37:31 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 07:37:31 +0100 Subject: Should I delay buying I-Mac In-Reply-To: <7284F5FB-8EDF-4B00-879D-03FAEB15E6F0@charter.net> Message-ID: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money Apple are asking me for. It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply corrective upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original install confident everything works well. This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. Now it seems upgrades include risks of accessibility lock out just as much as evident on Windows machines over the years. Any comments __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6339 (20110731) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com Mon Aug 1 10:50:20 2011 From: julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com (Julie Vaughan) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:50:20 +0100 Subject: photobooth In-Reply-To: <7084C895-CE14-45CD-AF03-CA689262DC30@gmail.com> References: <21761571-D3A6-4CA0-8F8E-77E268EE05E0@gmail.com> <74430914-0506-4069-AEAC-8C2AB8D01EB2@mac-access.net> <7084C895-CE14-45CD-AF03-CA689262DC30@gmail.com> Message-ID: hi will i will have a play around because i did that once and i cant remember ok jules :) On 31 Jul 2011, at 21:30, william lomas wrote: > thanks > > On Jul 31, 2011, at 9:16 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: > >> I think it stores itself in Pictures >> On 31 Jul 2011, at 21:05, william lomas wrote: >> >>> hi if i take a photo in photo booth of myself or someone how can i find it again on the computer? >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 11:09:23 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 11:09:23 +0100 Subject: Hopeing and Wishing Apple will Fix OS X Lion VoiceOver In-Reply-To: <4F0C0365-7A2F-4FF9-83AF-840156EEFD39@gmail.com> References: <4F0C0365-7A2F-4FF9-83AF-840156EEFD39@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6F853038-2F89-49BE-B405-F960CE10FD2F@mac-access.net> Sarah If you're using Lion, that's the only available build. Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 01:30, Sarah Alawami wrote: and don't forget the build number as well. you can't forget the build number. Oh and I'm having no issues with vo but thanks for the reminder. In this case the build number is Build 11A511 From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 11:11:15 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 11:11:15 +0100 Subject: Hoping and Wishing Apple will Fix OS X Lion VoiceOver In-Reply-To: References: <3215BDDF-F25A-4AF3-B5C1-EEC1837A9DE3@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <25819793-5B87-49B8-BBD4-319FBE8C5BE6@mac-access.net> I think paid developers get priority on the site and that's as it should be. I will check that out. Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 05:11, Sarah Alawami wrote: but you need to have a free dev account I believe. Thanks for that as well. From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 11:33:41 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 11:33:41 +0100 Subject: Should I delay buying I-Mac In-Reply-To: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> David The issues only really affect Lion Server, not the regular edition that you'd get. Don't be put off by the pessimists. Those who can't get it working and so, unreservedly, just condemn. I'm having horrendous problems with Lion Server; but let me tell you that there's far more that's right about Lion than wrong. Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 07:37, David Griffith wrote: The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money Apple are asking me for. It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply corrective upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original install confident everything works well. This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. Now it seems upgrades include risks of accessibility lock out just as much as evident on Windows machines over the years. Any comments __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6339 (20110731) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com Mon Aug 1 11:40:28 2011 From: julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com (Julie Vaughan) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 11:40:28 +0100 Subject: photo booth for will Message-ID: <5A0D3434-8C13-45E0-88A4-57800ECFF78B@virginmedia.com> ok go into photo booth take your photo you will be in preview when there use your vo and arrow keys till you get to the the photo section which will say scroll area then interact with that it goes up in numbers and is best to keep this empty as the only photo you want will be there (if that makes sense ) vo and space bar to select photo stop interacting with the photo scroll bar vo and left arrow then you will come across iphoto then press the space bar and it will import it into iphoto for you there is an email option that you can do too its next to iphoto, but i have not tried this as yet you can also cmd and c to copy but you are best to have a play around hope this is ok and you can understand my waffle smiley jules From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 11:48:49 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:48:49 +0200 Subject: Should I delay buying I-Mac In-Reply-To: <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <946819FE-A6FD-4414-86BA-271349213018@gmail.com> Hi Gordon, I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called "popovers," and is accessed via a "Downloads" button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to understand. As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't mean that the fix will be included in the latest update depending on whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. I wish you luck, in any case. Regards, Nic On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > David > > The issues only really affect Lion Server, not the regular edition that you'd get. > > Don't be put off by the pessimists. Those who can't get it working and so, unreservedly, just condemn. > > I'm having horrendous problems with Lion Server; but let me tell you that there's far more that's right about Lion than wrong. > > Gordon > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 07:37, David Griffith wrote: > > The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days > has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac > today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects > like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. > Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these > issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web > browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions > I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money > Apple are asking me for. > It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without > also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. > It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply corrective > upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original > install confident everything works well. > > This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the > belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. Now it seems > upgrades include risks of accessibility lock out just as much as evident on > Windows machines over the years. > > Any comments > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6339 (20110731) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 11:54:14 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 11:54:14 +0100 Subject: BPS Software; Partnership Reminder Message-ID: Hello all members. You may have forgotten, or maybe you weren't a member of this coup when this partnership was announce. So I will resend this information. On 26 April, Mac Access Dot Net partnered wit BPS Software to provide discounted links to their products for Mac Access Members. BPS Software is a small developer of Mac software and utilities such as sarchiver, the best archive tool for the Mac. Here are links to try and buy their products: The main home page is at or you may also bet there from which is hosted by Mac Access Dot Net. To buy their products using PayPal, at the discounted rates, visit: sBackup: (reduced from $19.99 to $14.99, (USD)) iTunes Controller 2: (reduced from $9.99 to $7.99 (USD) @nonymous: (reduced from $9.99 to $7.99 (USD)) The link to sArchiver is missing here but I'll provide that shortly. This offer only applies to our members. Gordon From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Aug 1 11:54:28 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 11:54:28 +0100 Subject: Should I delay buying I-Mac In-Reply-To: <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> Message-ID: David, Gordon is right (as usual, but don't tell him that as it will go to his smoggy head) :) I a using Lion and for the most part its working fine. Actually VO has not crashed on me at all yet, seems more stable than SL. I was having a few teething problems with Mail, but I now do things a bit differently and all seems ok. Am sure the minor bugs will be fixed. There are a couple of minor bugs with Safari, but they are minor and the iTunes bug is minor, but that is not the cause of Lion. There are other aspects to Lion that work much better than before. Some people have reported sluggishness with it, am not finding that, and Mail is not sluggish for me either, and I have about 300 messages still sitting in my inbox (too lazy to move them). The only thing I hate about the Mac is the number of productive apps is less than on the Windows side. I am not a fan of i(can't)Work either to be honest, but that is just my opinion of it. I don't like jumping through hoops to make apps work, I just like to simply use them without any fuss. Also bare in mind, if you still need access to some Windows stuff, you can run Windows on your Mac like I have to do for various web stuff I do which I simply can't do on the Mac due to lack of VO support. Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:33, Gordon Smith wrote: > David > > The issues only really affect Lion Server, not the regular edition that you'd get. > > Don't be put off by the pessimists. Those who can't get it working and so, unreservedly, just condemn. > > I'm having horrendous problems with Lion Server; but let me tell you that there's far more that's right about Lion than wrong. > > Gordon > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 07:37, David Griffith wrote: > > The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days > has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac > today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects > like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. > Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these > issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web > browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions > I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money > Apple are asking me for. > It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without > also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. > It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply corrective > upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original > install confident everything works well. > > This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the > belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. Now it seems > upgrades include risks of accessibility lock out just as much as evident on > Windows machines over the years. > > Any comments > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6339 (20110731) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Aug 1 12:02:02 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:02:02 +0100 Subject: Should I delay buying I-Mac In-Reply-To: <946819FE-A6FD-4414-86BA-271349213018@gmail.com> References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> <946819FE-A6FD-4414-86BA-271349213018@gmail.com> Message-ID: <66439BC7-57CF-43A8-9334-18200E0D2FC4@blueyonder.co.uk> Nic, Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on a downloadable file link and say something like "downloading" and I was disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of the web page when switching between tabs. I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but quite rare. I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to remove the optical drive from that too. Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi Gordon, > > I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called "popovers," and is accessed via a "Downloads" button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. > > While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to understand. > > As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't mean that the fix will be included in the latest update depending on whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. > > Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. > > I wish you luck, in any case. > > Regards, > Nic > On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> David >> >> The issues only really affect Lion Server, not the regular edition that you'd get. >> >> Don't be put off by the pessimists. Those who can't get it working and so, unreservedly, just condemn. >> >> I'm having horrendous problems with Lion Server; but let me tell you that there's far more that's right about Lion than wrong. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 1 Aug 2011, at 07:37, David Griffith wrote: >> >> The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days >> has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac >> today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects >> like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. >> Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these >> issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web >> browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions >> I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money >> Apple are asking me for. >> It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without >> also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. >> It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply corrective >> upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original >> install confident everything works well. >> >> This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the >> belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. Now it seems >> upgrades include risks of accessibility lock out just as much as evident on >> Windows machines over the years. >> >> Any comments >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >> database 6339 (20110731) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 12:07:45 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:07:45 +0100 Subject: Should I delay buying I-Mac In-Reply-To: <946819FE-A6FD-4414-86BA-271349213018@gmail.com> References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> <946819FE-A6FD-4414-86BA-271349213018@gmail.com> Message-ID: <03B6E73C-CA99-4599-98C2-B1D3EADF8E50@mac-access.net> Hi Mic Unfortunately people often assume, (usually wrongly_)that because they can't get something to work, or it works differently two how they expect, it's a "bug". You and I know perhaps better than many that Apple is always working to fix things; and you also know, as I know, that things are being reported in the appropriate places and addressed by the appropriate people. The Mac, whether it be running Lion or Snow Leopard regular edition, by far outperforms anything Windows in my opinion. Whilst there are still a few issues, for the most part it's fine and I'd say an iMac would be an excellent investment. Sadly, the scaremongering which seems to be rife amongst the VoiceOver users and the visually impaired in general, will often dissuade people. But let me tell you something. There are dealers and representatives of accessibility companies who are involved in selling everything Windows. They start many of these ridiculous rumours off because people going Mac represents a loss to them as vendors. I'll give you an example A while ago, the president of a large accessibility company in the US said to me personally: "Yes, Mac OS Talks during installation which is great. But there's no point having a talking installation to the operating system if you can't do anything with it afterwards which is the case with Mac OS." That statement is utterly ridiculous, wrong and plain scaremongering. I would encourage anybody thinking of buying a mac to do their research and listen to those of us ho have used them. I'm going to produce a podcast shortly for Mac Access on a number of OSX Basics. Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Gordon, I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called "popovers," and is accessed via a "Downloads" button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to understand. As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't mean that the fix will be included in the latest update depending on whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. I wish you luck, in any case. Regards, Nic On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > David > > The issues only really affect Lion Server, not the regular edition that you'd get. > > Don't be put off by the pessimists. Those who can't get it working and so, unreservedly, just condemn. > > I'm having horrendous problems with Lion Server; but let me tell you that there's far more that's right about Lion than wrong. > > Gordon > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 07:37, David Griffith wrote: > > The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days > has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac > today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects > like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. > Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these > issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web > browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions > I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money > Apple are asking me for. > It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without > also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. > It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply corrective > upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original > install confident everything works well. > > This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the > belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. Now it seems > upgrades include risks of accessibility lock out just as much as evident on > Windows machines over the years. > > Any comments > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6339 (20110731) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 12:14:12 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:14:12 +0100 Subject: Should I delay buying I-Mac In-Reply-To: References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <23E67428-700E-498E-B2CD-60C71C3D44C7@mac-access.net> Chris Who the hell lowered that darn ceiling, my head aches dreadfully now! LOL Seriously though, I would be the first to acknowledge that Mac OS X isn't perfect. But as you rightly say, you can still use Windows on your Mac so you have the best of both worlds. In fact, you can even use Windows at the same time as Mac OS X so you really do get it both ways. Gordon, off to find a cure for headache. :) On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:54, Chris Moore wrote: David, Gordon is right (as usual, but don't tell him that as it will go to his smoggy head) :) I a using Lion and for the most part its working fine. Actually VO has not crashed on me at all yet, seems more stable than SL. I was having a few teething problems with Mail, but I now do things a bit differently and all seems ok. Am sure the minor bugs will be fixed. There are a couple of minor bugs with Safari, but they are minor and the iTunes bug is minor, but that is not the cause of Lion. There are other aspects to Lion that work much better than before. Some people have reported sluggishness with it, am not finding that, and Mail is not sluggish for me either, and I have about 300 messages still sitting in my inbox (too lazy to move them). The only thing I hate about the Mac is the number of productive apps is less than on the Windows side. I am not a fan of i(can't)Work either to be honest, but that is just my opinion of it. I don't like jumping through hoops to make apps work, I just like to simply use them without any fuss. Also bare in mind, if you still need access to some Windows stuff, you can run Windows on your Mac like I have to do for various web stuff I do which I simply can't do on the Mac due to lack of VO support. Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:33, Gordon Smith wrote: > David > > The issues only really affect Lion Server, not the regular edition that you'd get. > > Don't be put off by the pessimists. Those who can't get it working and so, unreservedly, just condemn. > > I'm having horrendous problems with Lion Server; but let me tell you that there's far more that's right about Lion than wrong. > > Gordon > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 07:37, David Griffith wrote: > > The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days > has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac > today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects > like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. > Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these > issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web > browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions > I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money > Apple are asking me for. > It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without > also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. > It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply corrective > upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original > install confident everything works well. > > This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the > belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. Now it seems > upgrades include risks of accessibility lock out just as much as evident on > Windows machines over the years. > > Any comments > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6339 (20110731) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 12:16:48 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:16:48 +0100 Subject: Producing video podcasts using iSight Message-ID: <44A38498-7FB0-4906-9DF5-756AE3B68E71@mac-access.net> Hi all I'd love to be able to produce a video podcast of a project I'm working on for my paid work. is there an easy way to do this? Also, is there a webcam available that works with the mac Mini discretely? Gordon From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Aug 1 12:25:55 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:25:55 +0100 Subject: Producing video podcasts using iSight In-Reply-To: <44A38498-7FB0-4906-9DF5-756AE3B68E71@mac-access.net> References: <44A38498-7FB0-4906-9DF5-756AE3B68E71@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <2B2B3A86-258D-47B6-8E01-6E71A1B38C8C@blueyonder.co.uk> Gordon, There are a number of video cameras that work with the Mac either via USB 2 or Firewire, Logitech also (and many others) have web cams that work with the Mac too. I just noticed also that Photobooth that comes with Lion now has the ability to record movies now too. So maybe you could do your podcast with your iSight camera with that? Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:16, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > I'd love to be able to produce a video podcast of a project I'm working on for my paid work. is there an easy way to do this? Also, is there a webcam available that works with the mac Mini discretely? > > Gordon > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 12:29:48 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:29:48 +0100 Subject: Producing video podcasts using iSight In-Reply-To: <2B2B3A86-258D-47B6-8E01-6E71A1B38C8C@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <44A38498-7FB0-4906-9DF5-756AE3B68E71@mac-access.net> <2B2B3A86-258D-47B6-8E01-6E71A1B38C8C@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Chris Thanks for this. What I'm now looking into is setting this up properly for Mac Access and offering everybody who wants to join in the ability to directly podcast with us using Podcast Composer which comes with Lion and which would talk to our server directly. It's apparently a one-step process and the podcasts would also appear automatically in the iTunes Store. So I am going to look into doing this, and I'll give your suggestion a try as well. Thanks. I'll look into buying a WebCam; do you have any recommendations or sources here in the UK? Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:25, Chris Moore wrote: Gordon, There are a number of video cameras that work with the Mac either via USB 2 or Firewire, Logitech also (and many others) have web cams that work with the Mac too. I just noticed also that Photobooth that comes with Lion now has the ability to record movies now too. So maybe you could do your podcast with your iSight camera with that? Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:16, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > I'd love to be able to produce a video podcast of a project I'm working on for my paid work. is there an easy way to do this? Also, is there a webcam available that works with the mac Mini discretely? > > Gordon > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Mon Aug 1 12:36:33 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 08:36:33 -0300 Subject: iTunes Controller 2 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Folks: What functionality, for voiceover users, does iTunes Controller 2 bring to iTunes? Thanks all over the place gang. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:54 AM Subject: BPS Software; Partnership Reminder > Hello all members. > > You may have forgotten, or maybe you weren't a member of this coup when > this partnership was announce. So I will resend this information. > > On 26 April, Mac Access Dot Net partnered wit BPS Software to provide > discounted links to their products for Mac Access Members. > > BPS Software is a small developer of Mac software and utilities such as > sarchiver, the best archive tool for the Mac. Here are links to try and > buy their products: > > The main home page is at or you may also bet > there from which is hosted by Mac Access Dot > Net. > > To buy their products using PayPal, at the discounted rates, visit: > > sBackup: (reduced > from $19.99 to $14.99, (USD)) > > iTunes Controller 2: > (reduced > from $9.99 to $7.99 (USD) > > @nonymous: (reduced > from $9.99 to $7.99 (USD)) > > The link to sArchiver is missing here but I'll provide that shortly. This > offer only applies to our members. > > Gordon > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6339 (20110731) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6340 (20110801) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 12:40:24 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:40:24 +0100 Subject: iTunes Controller 2 question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78D0ABF9-48F7-46F2-83B6-EEB4052FD9C1@mac-access.net> Hi Jim You could always download the demo and try it. I haven't done this personally yet, as I'm busy on other projects. But it would be interesting to hear about it. Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:36, Jim Noseworthy wrote: What functionality, for voiceover users, does iTunes Controller 2 bring to iTunes? From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Mon Aug 1 12:57:21 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:57:21 +0100 Subject: Should I delay buying I-Mac In-Reply-To: <66439BC7-57CF-43A8-9334-18200E0D2FC4@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> <946819FE-A6FD-4414-86BA-271349213018@gmail.com> <66439BC7-57CF-43A8-9334-18200E0D2FC4@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Chris, Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion was released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to ascertain (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a download starts, but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is simply ridiculous. When any other kind of link is activated, the focus moves to either a different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of multimedia content starts to run. Surely a simple "download starting" message could happen? D?nal On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: > Nic, > > Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on a downloadable file link and say something like "downloading" and I was disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of the web page when switching between tabs. > > I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but quite rare. > > I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to remove the optical drive from that too. > > Chris > On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi Gordon, >> >> I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called "popovers," and is accessed via a "Downloads" button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. >> >> While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to understand. >> >> As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't mean that the fix will be included in the latest update depending on whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. >> >> Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. >> >> I wish you luck, in any case. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> David >>> >>> The issues only really affect Lion Server, not the regular edition that you'd get. >>> >>> Don't be put off by the pessimists. Those who can't get it working and so, unreservedly, just condemn. >>> >>> I'm having horrendous problems with Lion Server; but let me tell you that there's far more that's right about Lion than wrong. >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> On 1 Aug 2011, at 07:37, David Griffith wrote: >>> >>> The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days >>> has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac >>> today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects >>> like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. >>> Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these >>> issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web >>> browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions >>> I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money >>> Apple are asking me for. >>> It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without >>> also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. >>> It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply corrective >>> upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original >>> install confident everything works well. >>> >>> This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the >>> belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. Now it seems >>> upgrades include risks of accessibility lock out just as much as evident on >>> Windows machines over the years. >>> >>> Any comments >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >>> database 6339 (20110731) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Mon Aug 1 12:59:09 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 08:59:09 -0300 Subject: iTunes Controller 2 question In-Reply-To: <78D0ABF9-48F7-46F2-83B6-EEB4052FD9C1@mac-access.net> References: <78D0ABF9-48F7-46F2-83B6-EEB4052FD9C1@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <59A08993355B4041BBAA31866A7BFC5F@MainComputer> Thanks Gordon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:40 AM Subject: Re: iTunes Controller 2 question > Hi Jim > > You could always download the demo and try it. I haven't done this > personally yet, as I'm busy on other projects. But it would be > interesting to hear about it. > > Gordon > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:36, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > > What functionality, for voiceover users, does iTunes Controller 2 bring to > iTunes? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6340 (20110801) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6340 (20110801) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Aug 1 13:00:33 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 13:00:33 +0100 Subject: Producing video podcasts using iSight In-Reply-To: References: <44A38498-7FB0-4906-9DF5-756AE3B68E71@mac-access.net> <2B2B3A86-258D-47B6-8E01-6E71A1B38C8C@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <47E4A671-C525-43D4-9D59-BC28BE2B29DD@blueyonder.co.uk> Gordon, Take a look here and see which one takes your fancy: http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/webcam-communications/webcams Also, I opened Photobooth, selected movie, then pressed command + t to start recording a movie (this is also located under the file menu) and it worked fine, the results end up being placed in pictures/photobooth library within your home folder. Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:29, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Chris > > Thanks for this. What I'm now looking into is setting this up properly for Mac Access and offering everybody who wants to join in the ability to directly podcast with us using Podcast Composer which comes with Lion and which would talk to our server directly. It's apparently a one-step process and the podcasts would also appear automatically in the iTunes Store. > > So I am going to look into doing this, and I'll give your suggestion a try as well. Thanks. I'll look into buying a WebCam; do you have any recommendations or sources here in the UK? > > Gordon > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:25, Chris Moore wrote: > > Gordon, > > There are a number of video cameras that work with the Mac either via USB 2 or Firewire, Logitech also (and many others) have web cams that work with the Mac too. > > I just noticed also that Photobooth that comes with Lion now has the ability to record movies now too. So maybe you could do your podcast with your iSight camera with that? > > > Chris > On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:16, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> I'd love to be able to produce a video podcast of a project I'm working on for my paid work. is there an easy way to do this? Also, is there a webcam available that works with the mac Mini discretely? >> >> Gordon >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 13:01:17 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 13:01:17 +0100 Subject: Should I delay buying I-Mac In-Reply-To: References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> <946819FE-A6FD-4414-86BA-271349213018@gmail.com> <66439BC7-57CF-43A8-9334-18200E0D2FC4@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <92F664A7-68D5-496F-A440-52A171EABF1D@mac-access.net> Hi Donal This has been bugged with Apple and will be fixed. Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:57, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: Chris, Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion was released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to ascertain (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a download starts, but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is simply ridiculous. When any other kind of link is activated, the focus moves to either a different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of multimedia content starts to run. Surely a simple "download starting" message could happen? D?nal On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: > Nic, > > Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on a downloadable file link and say something like "downloading" and I was disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of the web page when switching between tabs. > > I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but quite rare. > > I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to remove the optical drive from that too. > > Chris > On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi Gordon, >> >> I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called "popovers," and is accessed via a "Downloads" button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. >> >> While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to understand. >> >> As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't mean that the fix will be included in the latest update depending on whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. >> >> Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. >> >> I wish you luck, in any case. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> David >>> >>> The issues only really affect Lion Server, not the regular edition that you'd get. >>> >>> Don't be put off by the pessimists. Those who can't get it working and so, unreservedly, just condemn. >>> >>> I'm having horrendous problems with Lion Server; but let me tell you that there's far more that's right about Lion than wrong. >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> On 1 Aug 2011, at 07:37, David Griffith wrote: >>> >>> The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days >>> has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac >>> today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects >>> like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. >>> Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these >>> issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web >>> browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions >>> I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money >>> Apple are asking me for. >>> It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without >>> also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. >>> It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply corrective >>> upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original >>> install confident everything works well. >>> >>> This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the >>> belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. Now it seems >>> upgrades include risks of accessibility lock out just as much as evident on >>> Windows machines over the years. >>> >>> Any comments >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >>> database 6339 (20110731) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 13:03:17 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 13:03:17 +0100 Subject: Producing video podcasts using iSight In-Reply-To: <47E4A671-C525-43D4-9D59-BC28BE2B29DD@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <44A38498-7FB0-4906-9DF5-756AE3B68E71@mac-access.net> <2B2B3A86-258D-47B6-8E01-6E71A1B38C8C@blueyonder.co.uk> <47E4A671-C525-43D4-9D59-BC28BE2B29DD@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <2122D9D9-E968-4E53-907E-AA479A37A26D@mac-access.net> Hi VChris Stupid question maybe; but how do you get focus on to your display? Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:00, Chris Moore wrote: Gordon, Take a look here and see which one takes your fancy: http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/webcam-communications/webcams Also, I opened Photobooth, selected movie, then pressed command + t to start recording a movie (this is also located under the file menu) and it worked fine, the results end up being placed in pictures/photobooth library within your home folder. Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:29, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Chris > > Thanks for this. What I'm now looking into is setting this up properly for Mac Access and offering everybody who wants to join in the ability to directly podcast with us using Podcast Composer which comes with Lion and which would talk to our server directly. It's apparently a one-step process and the podcasts would also appear automatically in the iTunes Store. > > So I am going to look into doing this, and I'll give your suggestion a try as well. Thanks. I'll look into buying a WebCam; do you have any recommendations or sources here in the UK? > > Gordon > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:25, Chris Moore wrote: > > Gordon, > > There are a number of video cameras that work with the Mac either via USB 2 or Firewire, Logitech also (and many others) have web cams that work with the Mac too. > > I just noticed also that Photobooth that comes with Lion now has the ability to record movies now too. So maybe you could do your podcast with your iSight camera with that? > > > Chris > On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:16, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> I'd love to be able to produce a video podcast of a project I'm working on for my paid work. is there an easy way to do this? Also, is there a webcam available that works with the mac Mini discretely? >> >> Gordon >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Mon Aug 1 13:03:30 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 13:03:30 +0100 Subject: Should I delay buying I-Mac In-Reply-To: <92F664A7-68D5-496F-A440-52A171EABF1D@mac-access.net> References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> <946819FE-A6FD-4414-86BA-271349213018@gmail.com> <66439BC7-57CF-43A8-9334-18200E0D2FC4@blueyonder.co.uk> <92F664A7-68D5-496F-A440-52A171EABF1D@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4295BA4E-9DD4-43A3-A473-8F547CDD0626@computing.dcu.ie> Yes indeed Gordon, And thanks for doing so. On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:01, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Donal > > This has been bugged with Apple and will be fixed. > > Gordon > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:57, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Chris, > > Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion was released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to ascertain (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a download starts, but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is simply ridiculous. When any other kind of link is activated, the focus moves to either a different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of multimedia content starts to run. Surely a simple "download starting" message could happen? > > D?nal > On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Nic, >> >> Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on a downloadable file link and say something like "downloading" and I was disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of the web page when switching between tabs. >> >> I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but quite rare. >> >> I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to remove the optical drive from that too. >> >> Chris >> On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi Gordon, >>> >>> I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called "popovers," and is accessed via a "Downloads" button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. >>> >>> While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to understand. >>> >>> As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't mean that the fix will be included in the latest update depending on whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. >>> >>> Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. >>> >>> I wish you luck, in any case. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>> >>>> David >>>> >>>> The issues only really affect Lion Server, not the regular edition that you'd get. >>>> >>>> Don't be put off by the pessimists. Those who can't get it working and so, unreservedly, just condemn. >>>> >>>> I'm having horrendous problems with Lion Server; but let me tell you that there's far more that's right about Lion than wrong. >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>> >>>> On 1 Aug 2011, at 07:37, David Griffith wrote: >>>> >>>> The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days >>>> has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac >>>> today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects >>>> like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. >>>> Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these >>>> issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web >>>> browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions >>>> I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money >>>> Apple are asking me for. >>>> It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without >>>> also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. >>>> It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply corrective >>>> upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original >>>> install confident everything works well. >>>> >>>> This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the >>>> belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. Now it seems >>>> upgrades include risks of accessibility lock out just as much as evident on >>>> Windows machines over the years. >>>> >>>> Any comments >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >>>> database 6339 (20110731) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 13:10:22 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 14:10:22 +0200 Subject: Should I delay buying I-Mac In-Reply-To: <4295BA4E-9DD4-43A3-A473-8F547CDD0626@computing.dcu.ie> References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> <946819FE-A6FD-4414-86BA-271349213018@gmail.com> <66439BC7-57CF-43A8-9334-18200E0D2FC4@blueyonder.co.uk> <92F664A7-68D5-496F-A440-52A171EABF1D@mac-access.net> <4295BA4E-9DD4-43A3-A473-8F547CDD0626@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <2B5E33DA-54C6-4E92-B503-14BB96B7B8A4@gmail.com> Hi! Yeah, I ended up bugging this the first time I saw this. I'm glad we can all collaborate and fix bugs, especially something as minor as this one. It's a bit strange that this wasn't even considered, since we've even been asking for sounds when a download completes. Regards, Nic On Aug 1, 2011, at 2:03 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Yes indeed Gordon, And thanks for doing so. > On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:01, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Donal >> >> This has been bugged with Apple and will be fixed. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:57, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >> Chris, >> >> Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion was released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to ascertain (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a download starts, but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is simply ridiculous. When any other kind of link is activated, the focus moves to either a different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of multimedia content starts to run. Surely a simple "download starting" message could happen? >> >> D?nal >> On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Nic, >>> >>> Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on a downloadable file link and say something like "downloading" and I was disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of the web page when switching between tabs. >>> >>> I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but quite rare. >>> >>> I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to remove the optical drive from that too. >>> >>> Chris >>> On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Gordon, >>>> >>>> I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called "popovers," and is accessed via a "Downloads" button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. >>>> >>>> While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to understand. >>>> >>>> As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't mean that the fix will be included in the latest update depending on whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. >>>> >>>> Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> I wish you luck, in any case. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic >>>> On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> The issues only really affect Lion Server, not the regular edition that you'd get. >>>>> >>>>> Don't be put off by the pessimists. Those who can't get it working and so, unreservedly, just condemn. >>>>> >>>>> I'm having horrendous problems with Lion Server; but let me tell you that there's far more that's right about Lion than wrong. >>>>> >>>>> Gordon >>>>> >>>>> On 1 Aug 2011, at 07:37, David Griffith wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days >>>>> has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac >>>>> today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects >>>>> like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. >>>>> Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these >>>>> issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web >>>>> browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions >>>>> I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money >>>>> Apple are asking me for. >>>>> It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without >>>>> also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. >>>>> It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply corrective >>>>> upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original >>>>> install confident everything works well. >>>>> >>>>> This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the >>>>> belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. Now it seems >>>>> upgrades include risks of accessibility lock out just as much as evident on >>>>> Windows machines over the years. >>>>> >>>>> Any comments >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >>>>> database 6339 (20110731) __________ >>>>> >>>>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Aug 1 13:11:25 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 13:11:25 +0100 Subject: Producing video podcasts using iSight In-Reply-To: <2122D9D9-E968-4E53-907E-AA479A37A26D@mac-access.net> References: <44A38498-7FB0-4906-9DF5-756AE3B68E71@mac-access.net> <2B2B3A86-258D-47B6-8E01-6E71A1B38C8C@blueyonder.co.uk> <47E4A671-C525-43D4-9D59-BC28BE2B29DD@blueyonder.co.uk> <2122D9D9-E968-4E53-907E-AA479A37A26D@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <074050EF-0518-4037-901F-467B361AD634@blueyonder.co.uk> Gordon, In Photobooth it is listed (I believe) as the preview area, am sure Lynne will be able to confirm that with you. Thanks Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:03, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi VChris > > Stupid question maybe; but how do you get focus on to your display? > > Gordon > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:00, Chris Moore wrote: > > Gordon, > > Take a look here and see which one takes your fancy: > > http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/webcam-communications/webcams > > Also, I opened Photobooth, selected movie, then pressed command + t to start recording a movie (this is also located under the file menu) and it worked fine, the results end up being placed in pictures/photobooth library within your home folder. > > Chris > On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:29, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Chris >> >> Thanks for this. What I'm now looking into is setting this up properly for Mac Access and offering everybody who wants to join in the ability to directly podcast with us using Podcast Composer which comes with Lion and which would talk to our server directly. It's apparently a one-step process and the podcasts would also appear automatically in the iTunes Store. >> >> So I am going to look into doing this, and I'll give your suggestion a try as well. Thanks. I'll look into buying a WebCam; do you have any recommendations or sources here in the UK? >> >> Gordon >> >> On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:25, Chris Moore wrote: >> >> Gordon, >> >> There are a number of video cameras that work with the Mac either via USB 2 or Firewire, Logitech also (and many others) have web cams that work with the Mac too. >> >> I just noticed also that Photobooth that comes with Lion now has the ability to record movies now too. So maybe you could do your podcast with your iSight camera with that? >> >> >> Chris >> On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:16, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> I'd love to be able to produce a video podcast of a project I'm working on for my paid work. is there an easy way to do this? Also, is there a webcam available that works with the mac Mini discretely? >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Mon Aug 1 13:33:52 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 07:33:52 -0500 Subject: Cleaning up a Messed-up Mac Message-ID: <201108011233.p71CXqvU011725@x.it.okstate.edu> This question may actually belong in the techno-chat discussion since accessibility only comes in because I needed Voiceover to access the Mac and it was a perfect example of why Apple's design for accessibility is really useful. The Mac in question is an older G5 Imac so upgrading to Lion is out of the question. My teen-age nephew downloaded two games to it and my dad began launching "Marble Blast Gold" and possibly "Yoda Star Wars" every time he wanted to look at some Powerpoint aviation-related videos. He is, to put it mildly, not amused. I went to his house yesterday and he demonstrated the issue. I had turned VO on and heard "Marble Blast Gold" fire up when he clicked on one of the Powerpoint videos. Job #1. Find that marble maze game and vanquish it. That was easy. I just opened Macintosh-hd/applications, typed in Marble in the link chooser menu and it went right to it which turned out to be a folder. I had some trouble moving it to trash but that turned out to be because Mail, textedit and safari were all running, for some reason, in the background. After a restart call, I successfully trashed "Marble Blast Gold" and "Yoda Star Wars." Now, here's the part I am not sure of. When Dad clicked on one of his videos to watch, we no longer had the marble game but the video failed to launch with a message that boils down to there was no application that could play .pps files. The complaint came from an application called iwork and my father said he had downloaded a trial copy but didn't want to buy it so, could I please remove that also? I did, but wonder if that was his engine for viewing the videos? So, what do I need to do to restore the ability to play the Microsoft Powerpoint videos? At one time, they did play correctly. Voiceover has sure come a long way since Tiger, but even so, things feel mostly familiar and it sure is nice to be able to just turn it on when needed. Dad plans to buy a new Mac as soon as a house he owns sells so the goal is not to spend any more dough on this one, but to restore it to proper operation so he can watch several .pps files. Thanks, and I can certainly take this to the techno-chat list if that would be better. Martin From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Aug 1 13:48:28 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 13:48:28 +0100 Subject: Cleaning up a Messed-up Mac In-Reply-To: <201108011233.p71CXqvU011725@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201108011233.p71CXqvU011725@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <89166350-12A2-4FF2-8DC4-7D6BD4B8D0B6@blueyonder.co.uk> If you still have the Office disk, then just reinstall it and the PowerPoint association will be reinstated. On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:33, Martin McCormick wrote: > This question may actually belong in the techno-chat discussion > since accessibility only comes in because I needed Voiceover to > access the Mac and it was a perfect example of why Apple's > design for accessibility is really useful. > > The Mac in question is an older G5 Imac so upgrading to > Lion is out of the question. My teen-age nephew downloaded two > games to it and my dad began launching "Marble Blast Gold" and > possibly "Yoda Star Wars" every time he wanted to look at some > Powerpoint aviation-related videos. He is, to put it mildly, not amused. > > I went to his house yesterday and he demonstrated the > issue. I had turned VO on and heard "Marble Blast Gold" fire up > when he clicked on one of the Powerpoint videos. > > Job #1. Find that marble maze game and vanquish it. That > was easy. I just opened Macintosh-hd/applications, typed in > Marble in the link chooser menu and it went right to it which > turned out to be a folder. > > I had some trouble moving it to trash but that turned > out to be because Mail, textedit and safari were all running, for > some reason, in the background. After a restart call, I > successfully trashed "Marble Blast Gold" and "Yoda Star Wars." > > Now, here's the part I am not sure of. When Dad clicked > on one of his videos to watch, we no longer had the marble game > but the video failed to launch with a message that boils down to > there was no application that could play .pps files. > > The complaint came from an application called iwork and > my father said he had downloaded a trial copy but didn't want to > buy it so, could I please remove that also? > > I did, but wonder if that was his engine for viewing the > videos? > > So, what do I need to do to restore the ability to play > the Microsoft Powerpoint videos? At one time, they did play > correctly. > > Voiceover has sure come a long way since Tiger, but even > so, things feel mostly familiar and it sure is nice to be able > to just turn it on when needed. > > Dad plans to buy a new Mac as soon as a house he owns > sells so the goal is not to spend any more dough on this one, > but to restore it to proper operation so he can watch several > .pps files. > Thanks, and I can certainly take this to the techno-chat > list if that would be better. > > Martin > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Mon Aug 1 13:51:01 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 02:51:01 -1000 Subject: Download status with VoiceOver [was Re: Should I delay buying I-Mac] In-Reply-To: References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> <946819FE-A6FD-4414-86BA-271349213018@gmail.com> <66439BC7-57CF-43A8-9334-18200E0D2FC4@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <007890F4-FE01-4D42-8AFF-E508D2D1E296@mac.com> Hello D?nal, I assume that you and Chris are referring to the lack of an automatic announcement on the start (and progress) of a download. It has always been possible to get information on the progress of a download with VoiceOver by interacting with the group in the Downloads window of Safari, all the way back since VoiceOver was first implemented in Tiger. For small files, the download can be complete before you even switch to the window, but for large files you can get a report on progress, size, and estimated time to completion. You can also stop the download. And on another related issue, I understand that all of Gordon's discussions have been on the updated Mac OS X Server interface changes in Lion (not specifically VoiceOver accessibility). I know why Gordon needs to run full server operations. However, in the earlier thread and posts from Jim about wanting to install Mac OS X Server onto his Mac Mini, I never understood whether he really needed Mac OS X Server, because quite a lot of the software many people associate with server operations are built into every Mac. Cheers, Esther Cheers, Esther On Aug 1, 2011, at 01:57, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Chris, > > Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion was released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to ascertain (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a download starts, but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is simply ridiculous. When any other kind of link is activated, the focus moves to either a different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of multimedia content starts to run. Surely a simple "download starting" message could happen? > > D?nal > On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Nic, >> >> Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on a downloadable file link and say something like "downloading" and I was disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of the web page when switching between tabs. >> >> I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but quite rare. >> >> I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to remove the optical drive from that too. >> >> Chris >> On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi Gordon, >>> >>> I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called "popovers," and is accessed via a "Downloads" button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. >>> >>> While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to understand. >>> >>> As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't mean that the fix will be included in the latest update depending on whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. >>> >>> Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. >>> >>> I wish you luck, in any case. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 14:12:14 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 14:12:14 +0100 Subject: Download status with VoiceOver [was Re: Should I delay buying I-Mac] In-Reply-To: <007890F4-FE01-4D42-8AFF-E508D2D1E296@mac.com> References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> <946819FE-A6FD-4414-86BA-271349213018@gmail.com> <66439BC7-57CF-43A8-9334-18200E0D2FC4@blueyonder.co.uk> <007890F4-FE01-4D42-8AFF-E508D2D1E296@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Esther The situation has changed radically with Lion. In Jim's case, he has the hardware which comes with OS X Server pre-installed, I believe. This hardware is customised for OSX Server and cannot run anything else. It won't boot from a DVD or pen drive, as I understand it. Jim, I believe, wanted the twin HD and the I7 processor, but doesn't need the server stuff. Actually it's my experience that the server software would impede the regular use of applications in some situations because it requires specific configuration data to be present. My understanding is that you can't install the regular version of Lion on this hardware platform. As for the downloads, I'm not sure whether you're using Lion yet. But this has also changed. There is no longer a download window to interact with. So you need to press the "Download" button on the Safari toolbar before you get any interaction with the downloads. In our case, you're correct that we need full server-side functionality. Jim probably wasn't aware of the situation with the Mac Mini Server before he bought it, and that's entirely understandable. Lion Server is grossly different in many respects from earlier versions. For a start, Print Services, Quicktime Streaming and MYSQL service are not supported any longer. Print Services has been replaced by what a Apple calls "Cups" and the rest has been dropped completely. Why they opted to drop MYSQL I'm not entirely sure, but they have. Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:51, Esther wrote: Hello D?nal, I assume that you and Chris are referring to the lack of an automatic announcement on the start (and progress) of a download. It has always been possible to get information on the progress of a download with VoiceOver by interacting with the group in the Downloads window of Safari, all the way back since VoiceOver was first implemented in Tiger. For small files, the download can be complete before you even switch to the window, but for large files you can get a report on progress, size, and estimated time to completion. You can also stop the download. And on another related issue, I understand that all of Gordon's discussions have been on the updated Mac OS X Server interface changes in Lion (not specifically VoiceOver accessibility). I know why Gordon needs to run full server operations. However, in the earlier thread and posts from Jim about wanting to install Mac OS X Server onto his Mac Mini, I never understood whether he really needed Mac OS X Server, because quite a lot of the software many people associate with server operations are built into every Mac. Cheers, Esther Cheers, Esther On Aug 1, 2011, at 01:57, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Chris, > > Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion was released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to ascertain (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a download starts, but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is simply ridiculous. When any other kind of link is activated, the focus moves to either a different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of multimedia content starts to run. Surely a simple "download starting" message could happen? > > D?nal > On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Nic, >> >> Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on a downloadable file link and say something like "downloading" and I was disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of the web page when switching between tabs. >> >> I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but quite rare. >> >> I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to remove the optical drive from that too. >> >> Chris >> On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi Gordon, >>> >>> I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called "popovers," and is accessed via a "Downloads" button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. >>> >>> While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to understand. >>> >>> As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't mean that the fix will be included in the latest update depending on whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. >>> >>> Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. >>> >>> I wish you luck, in any case. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From zkline at speedpost.net Mon Aug 1 14:28:02 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 06:28:02 -0700 Subject: Download status with VoiceOver [was Re: Should I delay buying I-Mac] In-Reply-To: References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> <946819FE-A6FD-4414-86BA-271349213018@gmail.com> <66439BC7-57CF-43A8-9334-18200E0D2FC4@blueyonder.co.uk> <007890F4-FE01-4D42-8AFF-E508D2D1E296@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi gordon, For the record, Cups is hardly new or unique to Apple. Linux and Unix systems have had it for years, and in fact OS X has as well, just somewhat disguised. It has always been possible to connect to a specific port on your macs and access Cups's web interface. Cheers, Zack. On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:12 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Esther > > The situation has changed radically with Lion. In Jim's case, he has the hardware which comes with OS X Server pre-installed, I believe. This hardware is customised for OSX Server and cannot run anything else. It won't boot from a DVD or pen drive, as I understand it. > > Jim, I believe, wanted the twin HD and the I7 processor, but doesn't need the server stuff. > > Actually it's my experience that the server software would impede the regular use of applications in some situations because it requires specific configuration data to be present. > > My understanding is that you can't install the regular version of Lion on this hardware platform. > > As for the downloads, I'm not sure whether you're using Lion yet. But this has also changed. There is no longer a download window to interact with. So you need to press the "Download" button on the Safari toolbar before you get any interaction with the downloads. > > In our case, you're correct that we need full server-side functionality. Jim probably wasn't aware of the situation with the Mac Mini Server before he bought it, and that's entirely understandable. > > Lion Server is grossly different in many respects from earlier versions. For a start, Print Services, Quicktime Streaming and MYSQL service are not supported any longer. > > Print Services has been replaced by what a > Apple calls "Cups" and the rest has been dropped completely. Why they opted to drop MYSQL I'm not entirely sure, but they have. > > Gordon > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:51, Esther wrote: > > Hello D?nal, > > I assume that you and Chris are referring to the lack of an automatic announcement on the start (and progress) of a download. It has always been possible to get information on the progress of a download with VoiceOver by interacting with the group in the Downloads window of Safari, all the way back since VoiceOver was first implemented in Tiger. For small files, the download can be complete before you even switch to the window, but for large files you can get a report on progress, size, and estimated time to completion. You can also stop the download. > > And on another related issue, I understand that all of Gordon's discussions have been on the updated Mac OS X Server interface changes in Lion (not specifically VoiceOver accessibility). I know why Gordon needs to run full server operations. However, in the earlier thread and posts from Jim about wanting to install Mac OS X Server onto his Mac Mini, I never understood whether he really needed Mac OS X Server, because quite a lot of the software many people associate with server operations are built into every Mac. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Aug 1, 2011, at 01:57, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion was released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to ascertain (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a download starts, but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is simply ridiculous. When any other kind of link is activated, the focus moves to either a different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of multimedia content starts to run. Surely a simple "download starting" message could happen? >> >> D?nal >> On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Nic, >>> >>> Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on a downloadable file link and say something like "downloading" and I was disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of the web page when switching between tabs. >>> >>> I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but quite rare. >>> >>> I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to remove the optical drive from that too. >>> >>> Chris >>> On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Gordon, >>>> >>>> I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called "popovers," and is accessed via a "Downloads" button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. >>>> >>>> While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to understand. >>>> >>>> As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't mean that the fix will be included in the latest update depending on whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. >>>> >>>> Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> I wish you luck, in any case. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Mon Aug 1 14:55:22 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 08:55:22 -0500 Subject: Cleaning up a Messed-up Mac Message-ID: <201108011355.p71DtMAV012421@x.it.okstate.edu> Chris Moore writes: > If you still have the Office disk, then just reinstall it and the > PowerPoint association will be reinstated. Thank you! I sure hope he's still got it. I was hoping it would be something fairly simple like that. Martin From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 15:01:53 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 15:01:53 +0100 Subject: Download status with VoiceOver [was Re: Should I delay buying I-Mac] In-Reply-To: References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> <946819FE-A6FD-4414-86BA-271349213018@gmail.com> <66439BC7-57CF-43A8-9334-18200E0D2FC4@blueyonder.co.uk> <007890F4-FE01-4D42-8AFF-E508D2D1E296@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Zachary yes, I know; but not in its current high profile status. Cups has now replaced printer services totally. For instance if you can access it http://localnost/admin:631 I think that's the interface they use. I haven't tried it but that's from memory. On 1 Aug 2011, at 14:28, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi gordon, For the record, Cups is hardly new or unique to Apple. Linux and Unix systems have had it for years, and in fact OS X has as well, just somewhat disguised. It has always been possible to connect to a specific port on your macs and access Cups's web interface. Cheers, Zack. On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:12 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Esther > > The situation has changed radically with Lion. In Jim's case, he has the hardware which comes with OS X Server pre-installed, I believe. This hardware is customised for OSX Server and cannot run anything else. It won't boot from a DVD or pen drive, as I understand it. > > Jim, I believe, wanted the twin HD and the I7 processor, but doesn't need the server stuff. > > Actually it's my experience that the server software would impede the regular use of applications in some situations because it requires specific configuration data to be present. > > My understanding is that you can't install the regular version of Lion on this hardware platform. > > As for the downloads, I'm not sure whether you're using Lion yet. But this has also changed. There is no longer a download window to interact with. So you need to press the "Download" button on the Safari toolbar before you get any interaction with the downloads. > > In our case, you're correct that we need full server-side functionality. Jim probably wasn't aware of the situation with the Mac Mini Server before he bought it, and that's entirely understandable. > > Lion Server is grossly different in many respects from earlier versions. For a start, Print Services, Quicktime Streaming and MYSQL service are not supported any longer. > > Print Services has been replaced by what a > Apple calls "Cups" and the rest has been dropped completely. Why they opted to drop MYSQL I'm not entirely sure, but they have. > > Gordon > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:51, Esther wrote: > > Hello D?nal, > > I assume that you and Chris are referring to the lack of an automatic announcement on the start (and progress) of a download. It has always been possible to get information on the progress of a download with VoiceOver by interacting with the group in the Downloads window of Safari, all the way back since VoiceOver was first implemented in Tiger. For small files, the download can be complete before you even switch to the window, but for large files you can get a report on progress, size, and estimated time to completion. You can also stop the download. > > And on another related issue, I understand that all of Gordon's discussions have been on the updated Mac OS X Server interface changes in Lion (not specifically VoiceOver accessibility). I know why Gordon needs to run full server operations. However, in the earlier thread and posts from Jim about wanting to install Mac OS X Server onto his Mac Mini, I never understood whether he really needed Mac OS X Server, because quite a lot of the software many people associate with server operations are built into every Mac. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Aug 1, 2011, at 01:57, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion was released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to ascertain (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a download starts, but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is simply ridiculous. When any other kind of link is activated, the focus moves to either a different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of multimedia content starts to run. Surely a simple "download starting" message could happen? >> >> D?nal >> On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Nic, >>> >>> Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on a downloadable file link and say something like "downloading" and I was disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of the web page when switching between tabs. >>> >>> I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but quite rare. >>> >>> I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to remove the optical drive from that too. >>> >>> Chris >>> On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Gordon, >>>> >>>> I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called "popovers," and is accessed via a "Downloads" button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. >>>> >>>> While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to understand. >>>> >>>> As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't mean that the fix will be included in the latest update depending on whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. >>>> >>>> Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> I wish you luck, in any case. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 15:11:57 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 15:11:57 +0100 Subject: Mac OS X 10.7 Server: Cups & Printer Sharing Message-ID: Hi. Just for reference and for the interest of those curious about OSX Lion Server, Here's what Apple says about Cups and printer services for the 10.7 Lion Server: Print service is no longer supported in Server Admin. You must use System Preferences > Print & Scan to add printers or control print jobs. For more advanced print service settings you can use the web interface of CUPS at http://localhost:631/admin to manage printer sharing. You can find documentation for CUPS at http://localhost:631/help. For printers connected to the server through USB, the queues are created by CUPS when the printers are plugged in and turned on. However, for network printers, add the printers using System Preferences > Print & Scan (for all printer types) or the CUPS web interface. When you set up printer sharing in the Print & Scan pane of System Preferences or in CUPS, you cannot configure specific protocols on which the printer is to be shared. The printer is shared over all protocols. In CUPS the description is equivalent to the printer sharing name and is set using the web interface at http://localhost:631/admin. See instructions below. CUPS classes is the equivalent to printer pools. For instructions on setting up classes, see CUPS help at http://localhost:631/help So as you can see, Apple has now done away with its old printer service totally. That's going to create fun and games for me when I come to upgrade our work services. They rely very very heavily on printer services in the office and I'm quaking in my boots! Gordon From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Mon Aug 1 15:46:54 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 11:46:54 -0300 Subject: Mac Mini Server question. Message-ID: Hello Folks: I expect to receive my Mac Mini Server tomorrow and I think I would like to install and use Lion standard rather than the server software. Can this be easily accomplished? Thanks all over the place gang. The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy Spirit, in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6340 (20110801) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 15:55:11 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 15:55:11 +0100 Subject: Mac Mini Server question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jim Lynne warned you about this, you cannot do this at all. You opted to buy the server and as we told you before you can't change the software. Gordon On 1 Aug 2011, at 15:46, Jim Noseworthy wrote: Hello Folks: I expect to receive my Mac Mini Server tomorrow and I think I would like to install and use Lion standard rather than the server software. Can this be easily accomplished? Thanks all over the place gang. 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Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 16:29:56 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 08:29:56 -0700 Subject: Hopeing and Wishing Apple will Fix OS X Lion VoiceOver In-Reply-To: References: <3215BDDF-F25A-4AF3-B5C1-EEC1837A9DE3@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <711783BE-FA46-4B57-9426-EFDCEDB43BCA@gmail.com> Ah thanks for that. I'll keep that in mind. Take care all. On Jul 31, 2011, at 11:00 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > Nope, you can use your Apple ID. > On 1 Aug 2011, at 05:11, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> but you need to have a free dev account I believe. Thanks for that as well. >> >> Take care all. >> On Jul 31, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> You can also go to http://bugreport.apple.com and report your issues there too. >>> >>> On 31 Jul 2011, at 23:01, Kevin Chao wrote: >>> >>>> Since OS X Lion was made available, I've seen lots of blind VoiceOver >>>> users say things such as: "I hope Apple will fix this", "I wish Apple >>>> will fix that", and "I know Apple will fix this". >>>> >>>> Sorry to burst people's bubbles, but Apple are not mind readers, they >>>> don't know all these issues discussed, and are not all magical. Apple >>>> has lots of hardware, software, and lots of things that they are >>>> always working on, new things, fixing bugs, and they are not all >>>> focused on accessibility. >>>> >>>> Why not help out Apple accessibility, who are very understanding, >>>> commited, appreciate feedback, and will do their best to address the >>>> feedback, as long as it was provided to begin with. >>>> >>>> The best way to let Apple accessibility know of these issues is their >>>> very easy to memorize and use E-mail address: >>>> Accessibility at Apple.com >>>> or, there's the option to use AppleCare. >>>> >>>> In either case, the more information that is provided, the better. >>>> >>>> Please let Apple accessibility know the following: >>>> Application (If not default, any custom preferences/settings): >>>> Summary: >>>> Steps to Reproduce >>>> Expected: >>>> Actual: >>>> Regression (Is this bug or new to Lion, IE: were things working as >>>> expected in OS X 10.6.8): >>>> Notes: >>>> >>>> Please, with your help, Apple accessibility has the opportunity to >>>> make OS X Lion VoiceOver 4 a lot better. Now, please go out and >>>> provide the great, detailed, and constructive feedback. >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 16:38:26 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 11:38:26 -0400 Subject: photobooth In-Reply-To: <21761571-D3A6-4CA0-8F8E-77E268EE05E0@gmail.com> References: <21761571-D3A6-4CA0-8F8E-77E268EE05E0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8C19B906-FD08-44AC-801C-03AA1A8E483A@gmail.com> In your home folder, go to pictures/photo booth folder. On Jul 31, 2011, at 4:05 PM, william lomas wrote: > hi if i take a photo in photo booth of myself or someone how can i find it again on the computer? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Aug 1 16:40:42 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:40:42 +0100 Subject: Mac OS X 10.7 Server: Cups & Printer Sharing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That sounds a bit half baked, does that mean it will be easier to deal with when connecting remotely? It being a web interface and all. One wonders if they will be reinstated in OS X 10.8 Alley Kat. Hey guys guess what? we now have a GUI for that! I know very little about server administration. I really should do a course for dummies for it. Has Lion provided the ability to do accessible remote access from one Mac to another yet? Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 15:11, Gordon Smith wrote: > > > Hi. Just for reference and for the interest of those curious about OSX Lion Server, Here's what Apple says about Cups and printer services for the 10.7 Lion Server: > > > > Print service is no longer supported in Server Admin. You must use System Preferences > Print & Scan to add printers or control print jobs. For more advanced print service settings you can use the web interface of CUPS at http://localhost:631/admin to manage printer sharing. You can find documentation for CUPS at http://localhost:631/help. > > For printers connected to the server through USB, the queues are created by CUPS when the printers are plugged in and turned on. However, for network printers, add the printers using System Preferences > Print & Scan (for all printer types) or the CUPS web interface. > > When you set up printer sharing in the Print & Scan pane of System Preferences or in CUPS, you cannot configure specific protocols on which the printer is to be shared. The printer is shared over all protocols. > > In CUPS the description is equivalent to the printer sharing name and is set using the web interface at http://localhost:631/admin. See instructions below. > > CUPS classes is the equivalent to printer pools. For instructions on setting up classes, see CUPS help at http://localhost:631/help > > > > So as you can see, Apple has now done away with its old printer service totally. That's going to create fun and games for me when I come to upgrade our work services. They rely very very heavily on printer services in the office and I'm quaking in my boots! > > Gordon > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 16:53:27 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:53:27 +0100 Subject: Mac OS X 10.7 Server: Cups & Printer Sharing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 16:40, Chris Moore wrote: That sounds a bit half baked, does that mean it will be easier to deal with when connecting remotely? It being a web interface and all. One wonders if they will be reinstated in OS X 10.8 Alley Kat. Hey guys guess what? we now have a GUI for that! What sounds half-baked? I know very little about server administration. I really should do a course for dummies for it. It's an interesting subject if you have the patience. Has Lion provided the ability to do accessible remote access from one Mac to another yet? Absolutely not. Not client to client anyway. Gordon From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Aug 1 16:57:50 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 16:57:50 +0100 Subject: Download status with VoiceOver [was Re: Should I delay buying I-Mac] In-Reply-To: <007890F4-FE01-4D42-8AFF-E508D2D1E296@mac.com> References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> <946819FE-A6FD-4414-86BA-271349213018@gmail.com> <66439BC7-57CF-43A8-9334-18200E0D2FC4@blueyonder.co.uk> <007890F4-FE01-4D42-8AFF-E508D2D1E296@mac.com> Message-ID: <9ACAECF8-5CA0-4C8B-BEC5-F44931ACD864@blueyonder.co.uk> That is correct Esther. in the past Safari had a download manager which would open upon clicking a link that initiated a file download which was not a html/shtml or gif, jpeg or png file. A blind person was able to establish that a download had started as VO would announce that the Download manager window had opened (in most cases people kept it closed, so it being opened prompted VO to speak) The knew popup download manager is more integrated into Safari and does not open/popup when a download is initiated, which means a blind person has no clue that the download has started. It would be very useful if there was a sound or a vocal prompt to notify users that a download has commenced. It would also be very useful to also be notified when the download was complete too. iTunes informs you when a file has downloaded or a sync has been completed, so why can't Safari? While we are added, they should add file completion alerts to the Mac app store too. Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 13:51, Esther wrote: > Hello D?nal, > > I assume that you and Chris are referring to the lack of an automatic announcement on the start (and progress) of a download. It has always been possible to get information on the progress of a download with VoiceOver by interacting with the group in the Downloads window of Safari, all the way back since VoiceOver was first implemented in Tiger. For small files, the download can be complete before you even switch to the window, but for large files you can get a report on progress, size, and estimated time to completion. You can also stop the download. > > And on another related issue, I understand that all of Gordon's discussions have been on the updated Mac OS X Server interface changes in Lion (not specifically VoiceOver accessibility). I know why Gordon needs to run full server operations. However, in the earlier thread and posts from Jim about wanting to install Mac OS X Server onto his Mac Mini, I never understood whether he really needed Mac OS X Server, because quite a lot of the software many people associate with server operations are built into every Mac. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Aug 1, 2011, at 01:57, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> Funny you should mention the lack of feedback for downloads. Before Lion was released, I was having a conversation with Lynne off-list to try to ascertain (visually) what was going on. there is a visual cue when a download starts, but absolutely no auditory feedback whatsoever. This is simply ridiculous. When any other kind of link is activated, the focus moves to either a different part of the page, a new page, or a piece of multimedia content starts to run. Surely a simple "download starting" message could happen? >> >> D?nal >> On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:02, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Nic, >>> >>> Regarding the download situation with Safari. I actually prefer the new download pop up, however I wish VO would provide feedback after clicking on a downloadable file link and say something like "downloading" and I was disappointed to discover that Safari still does not read out the title of the web page when switching between tabs. >>> >>> I have had a couple of weird things happen to me with the rotar too, but quite rare. >>> >>> I might treat myself to a new iMac next year, so hope they do not decide to remove the optical drive from that too. >>> >>> Chris >>> On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Gordon, >>>> >>>> I completely agree with you. I haven't personally experienced most of these bugs people are reporting, so that could mean a lot of things including user error, and the inability to understand how a feature works. One example is that previously in Snow Leopard, when downloading a file, a window would open. In lion, these downloads appear in so-called "popovers," and is accessed via a "Downloads" button in the Safari toolbar. While some bugs definitely exist, as no operating system is perfect, it's far from bad enough to not purchase an iMac if you want one. Back in Snow Leopard, some general Safari bugs were also due to the Webkit engine Safari used to render HTML content, and updating this fixed a lot of issues and this still seems to be the case under OS X Lion. >>>> >>>> While the regular OS X Lion does have bugs, they're not as bad as they seem. Of course, depending on what you may consider a showstopper they may be quite numerous, but if you're not too worried about using possible workarounds until a bug is addressed, I think you'll be fine. I tend to nitpick often when using an operating system, and Mac OS X is also one of them, so I sometimes get very critical. However, a bug such as VoiceOver not always being able to detect web elements when using commands to jump to them has a workaround, and is also investigation. That is one important thing to understand. >>>> >>>> As Lynne pointed out in an earlier email, if a bug is not addressed straight away it is probably under investigation. Even if a bug sounds very simple to fix, that does not mean that it is necessarily a simple cause or solution. While Apple does have a devoted accessibility team, that doesn't mean that the fix will be included in the latest update depending on whether or not they can manage to squeeze it into the update. >>>> >>>> Every time someone buys a Mac, I always recommend trying one if you have a friend who owns a Mac, or simply go to the store. While you won't exactly get a perfect picture in most cases, you may be able to find out if you want to actually try to get to grips with VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> I wish you luck, in any case. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Aug 1 17:00:09 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 17:00:09 +0100 Subject: Mac OS X 10.7 Server: Cups & Printer Sharing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <019526CA-1BD4-4367-A502-451B49F1CD7E@blueyonder.co.uk> I meant by Apple removing the Print services in favour of CUPS seemed a bit half baked to what they had before. Real shame about the lack of accessible remote access too. On 1 Aug 2011, at 16:53, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 16:40, Chris Moore wrote: > > That sounds a bit half baked, does that mean it will be easier to deal with when connecting remotely? It being a web interface and all. One wonders if they will be reinstated in OS X 10.8 Alley Kat. Hey guys guess what? we now have a GUI for that! > > What sounds half-baked? > > I know very little about server administration. I really should do a course for dummies for it. > > It's an interesting subject if you have the patience. > > Has Lion provided the ability to do accessible remote access from one Mac to another yet? > > Absolutely not. Not client to client anyway. > > Gordon > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Aug 1 17:03:40 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 17:03:40 +0100 Subject: Cleaning up a Messed-up Mac In-Reply-To: <201108011355.p71DtMAV012421@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201108011355.p71DtMAV012421@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <9BB48CE4-AD77-4114-B7B8-5D52E1363F4B@blueyonder.co.uk> Failing that, just go to the power point file, and press VO+Option+Shift and M at the same time to open the popup menu and select get info. you should be able to change the file type association there. On 1 Aug 2011, at 14:55, Martin McCormick wrote: > Chris Moore writes: >> If you still have the Office disk, then just reinstall it and the >> PowerPoint association will be reinstated. > > Thank you! I sure hope he's still got it. I was hoping > it would be something fairly simple like that. > > Martin > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 17:35:21 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 17:35:21 +0100 Subject: Mac OS X 10.7 Server: Cups & Printer Sharing In-Reply-To: <019526CA-1BD4-4367-A502-451B49F1CD7E@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <019526CA-1BD4-4367-A502-451B49F1CD7E@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Chris To be honest, as a server admin I'm a bit puzzled by this decision. Print services worked very well when configured properly. In our office, for instance, they use a high spec laser printer and it was a breeze to configure it for the network so that all clients could spool and queue jobs. It's going to be fun now I think, although I'm sure it will work. As for remote access, I'm not in the least surprised. It was never in the spec I don't think and yes, Remote Desktop remains as illusive as ever. Another thing which really annoys me is the inaccessibility of SSL configuration. One who is blind just cannot import certificates into Server. This was promised to me to be fixed by engineering. But hasn't been. On 1 Aug 2011, at 17:00, Chris Moore wrote: I meant by Apple removing the Print services in favour of CUPS seemed a bit half baked to what they had before. Real shame about the lack of accessible remote access too. On 1 Aug 2011, at 16:53, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 16:40, Chris Moore wrote: > > That sounds a bit half baked, does that mean it will be easier to deal with when connecting remotely? It being a web interface and all. One wonders if they will be reinstated in OS X 10.8 Alley Kat. Hey guys guess what? we now have a GUI for that! > > What sounds half-baked? > > I know very little about server administration. I really should do a course for dummies for it. > > It's an interesting subject if you have the patience. > > Has Lion provided the ability to do accessible remote access from one Mac to another yet? > > Absolutely not. Not client to client anyway. > > Gordon > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon Aug 1 17:51:16 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:51:16 -0400 Subject: Download status with VoiceOver [was Re: Should I delay buying I-Mac] In-Reply-To: References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> <946819FE-A6FD-4414-86BA-271349213018@gmail.com> <66439BC7-57CF-43A8-9334-18200E0D2FC4@blueyonder.co.uk> <007890F4-FE01-4D42-8AFF-E508D2D1E296@mac.com> Message-ID: Just a couple things here. 1. I don't use tabs, but switching between windows using command- tilde in safari has always read the title of the current page, all the way back to tiger. If tabs don't work this way, then it seems simple enough not to use them. I was under the impression that tabs did nothing for vo users, but of course, I'm always willing to be corrected on that point. 2. Cups is not unique to apple. As Zachery pointed out, it's been in unix oses for years and years, and (yes, even in osx) In fact, we use cups in tiger to talk to one of our printers which is network capable, and it's plugged into the tiger machine, because that's the one with the server software on it (well, it did, but not anymore, but it's still tiger) Linux, and even windows supports cups as well with the proper drivers, so this is just apple finally moving to match the rest of the computing community. Although, I really need to question their need to change mail's threading to conversations, when every other mail client on the planet calls them threads, calling them conversations is only going to confuse folks to no purpose, but that's neither here nor there. When I'm able, I fully intend to obtain lion server, but that won't be for a few months at least, gotta upgrade some machines first, and replace a broken interconnect board in one mac mini, then upgrade it's memory to meet lion requirements. I'm reading the lion server threads (yes, I said threads not conversations) with great pleasure, as it allows me to learn in advance what to watch out for, and what works out of the box so to speak. I'm sure I'll have a whole lot more to say once Ihave lion server setup, but until then, all I can do is sit here and wish. :) From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Aug 1 18:03:40 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 18:03:40 +0100 Subject: Download status with VoiceOver [was Re: Should I delay buying I-Mac] In-Reply-To: References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> <946819FE-A6FD-4414-86BA-271349213018@gmail.com> <66439BC7-57CF-43A8-9334-18200E0D2FC4@blueyonder.co.uk> <007890F4-FE01-4D42-8AFF-E508D2D1E296@mac.com> Message-ID: Travis, 1. I agree Safari and VO have always worked fine when opening and switching between windows. I guess I use tabs as I used to be able to see, and I hated clutter and too many windows open. Tabs are so neat and clutter free in my mind's eye too. i am just knit picking I guess, but I think it is an oversight as the tabs themselves have the title of the web page written on them and when you switch to a new tab the title appears on the window title bar too. So for VO not to pick up on this is lazy programming in my opinion. I use Windows a lot, so guess I get used to some of the bells and whistles you become used to with JAWS. 2. I think Gordon's point was that it was quicker and more accessible being able to navigate a print services window instead of having to navigate around a web interface via Safari. 3. I also agree with you on the conversations / thread matter. Apple have tried to make their threads look more like conversations that appear in the iPhone and the forth coming iMessage facility, so I guess they are trying to bundle everything up. Chris On 1 Aug 2011, at 17:51, Travis Siegel wrote: > Just a couple things here. > 1. I don't use tabs, but switching between windows using command-tilde in safari has always read the title of the current page, all the way back to tiger. If tabs don't work this way, then it seems simple enough not to use them. I was under the impression that tabs did nothing for vo users, but of course, I'm always willing to be corrected on that point. > > 2. Cups is not unique to apple. As Zachery pointed out, it's been in unix oses for years and years, and (yes, even in osx) In fact, we use cups in tiger to talk to one of our printers which is network capable, and it's plugged into the tiger machine, because that's the one with the server software on it (well, it did, but not anymore, but it's still tiger) Linux, and even windows supports cups as well with the proper drivers, so this is just apple finally moving to match the rest of the computing community. > > Although, I really need to question their need to change mail's threading to conversations, when every other mail client on the planet calls them threads, calling them conversations is only going to confuse folks to no purpose, but that's neither here nor there. > > When I'm able, I fully intend to obtain lion server, but that won't be for a few months at least, gotta upgrade some machines first, and replace a broken interconnect board in one mac mini, then upgrade it's memory to meet lion requirements. > I'm reading the lion server threads (yes, I said threads not conversations) with great pleasure, as it allows me to learn in advance what to watch out for, and what works out of the box so to speak. I'm sure I'll have a whole lot more to say once Ihave lion server setup, but until then, all I can do is sit here and wish. :) > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Mon Aug 1 18:19:48 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 14:19:48 -0300 Subject: Mac Mini Server question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gordon: First of all, I would like to say that I don't appreciate your patronizing response to my message. Secondly, for those who would like a PDF document to help in the initial setup of Lion Server, you can find a document on my ftp site at: ftp.compuconference.com/Apple_Stuff Cheers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server question. > Hi Jim > > Lynne warned you about this, you cannot do this at all. You opted to buy > the server and as we told you before you can't change the software. > > Gordon > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 15:46, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > Hello Folks: > > I expect to receive my Mac Mini Server tomorrow and I think I would like > to install and use Lion standard rather than the server software. > > Can this be easily accomplished? > > Thanks all over the place gang. > > The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy Spirit, > in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6340 (20110801) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6341 (20110801) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6341 (20110801) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From anne at anarchie.org.uk Mon Aug 1 18:23:38 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:23:38 +0200 Subject: ABBYY FineReader for Lion Message-ID: <3C59A770-8764-49C0-94D0-F008D3BF53C0@anarchie.org.uk> Hello everyone, Here is the link to download the Lion compatible version of ABBYY FineReader for those who, like me, bought it through the Website. The link starts the download automatically. Cheers, Anne From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Mon Aug 1 18:39:02 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy Duffy) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 13:39:02 -0400 Subject: No web rotor Message-ID: Ok. So what have I done, or is there a problem? All of a sudden when I open safari, the only way I can navigate is by using VO-left and right arrows. I can move up or down and absolutely nothing happens when I try to choose something from the web rotor. Any ideas? Thanks. Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. tracyduffy at nc.rr.com From zkline at speedpost.net Mon Aug 1 18:42:57 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 10:42:57 -0700 Subject: No web rotor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1477275B-B0D5-457C-878F-3C5806392124@speedpost.net> Hi Tracy, Did you turn off QuickNav mode by chance? That is toggled with the left and right arrows together. If it was turned off the web rotor wouldn't work. Hope this helps, Zack. On Aug 1, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Tracy Duffy wrote: > Ok. So what have I done, or is there a problem? All of a sudden when I open safari, the only way I can navigate is by using VO-left and right arrows. I can move up or down and absolutely nothing happens when I try to choose something from the web rotor. Any ideas? Thanks. > > Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. > tracyduffy at nc.rr.com > > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Mon Aug 1 18:48:03 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy Duffy) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 13:48:03 -0400 Subject: busy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've been getting that a lot and I'm still using Snow Leopard. I think there's aproblem with safari or something. Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. tracyduffy at nc.rr.com On Jul 31, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi William, > I don't know if anybody's ever come up with a satisfactory reason for this to be the case, but for what it's worth I run into it less in Lion than I did in SL. I suspect some kind of memory leak or script-related problem. I'd report it, as the more such reports Apple has the more likely they are to be able to do something about it. > Best, > Zack. > On Jul 31, 2011, at 10:01 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> hi all why is safari even busy with voiceover in lion? >> i am not impressed nowadays especially since the newer iMacs run i3 and above processors I am trying to process a payment and I just get safari busy busy busy busy ready busy busy busy busy busy it ridiculous >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 18:51:32 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:51:32 +0200 Subject: busy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B686B0B-4074-4749-9C60-F3C22321A469@gmail.com> Hi! What is also interesting is that VoiceOver completely seems to ignore anything else on the screen in the same application, for example iTunes when the beach ball is there. If you are organizing a library, for instance, a sighted user can look at the screen and tell the progress while busy, VoiceOVer cannot. Similarly, you can even set preferences while iTunes is busy, and VoiceOver still does not pick up on this. Another situation where this is doable is if writing an email, or a URL in Safari. VoiceOver thinks the application is completely unusable, but it is far from that. I've always thought that was a massive limitation ever since Leopard, and it still exists, at least here. Regards, Nic On Aug 1, 2011, at 7:48 PM, Tracy Duffy wrote: > I've been getting that a lot and I'm still using Snow Leopard. I think there's aproblem with safari or something. > > Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. > tracyduffy at nc.rr.com > > > > > On Jul 31, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi William, >> I don't know if anybody's ever come up with a satisfactory reason for this to be the case, but for what it's worth I run into it less in Lion than I did in SL. I suspect some kind of memory leak or script-related problem. I'd report it, as the more such reports Apple has the more likely they are to be able to do something about it. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 31, 2011, at 10:01 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> hi all why is safari even busy with voiceover in lion? >>> i am not impressed nowadays especially since the newer iMacs run i3 and above processors I am trying to process a payment and I just get safari busy busy busy busy ready busy busy busy busy busy it ridiculous >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Mon Aug 1 18:59:33 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy Duffy) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 13:59:33 -0400 Subject: No web rotor In-Reply-To: <1477275B-B0D5-457C-878F-3C5806392124@speedpost.net> References: <1477275B-B0D5-457C-878F-3C5806392124@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <9073F9B3-9C6B-4B2F-B9B3-E8F8197B9CC3@nc.rr.com> Well, I never did it on purpose, but I went and used your suggestion. It began by saying quick nav off, so I did it again with the same result. After getting quick nav off announced 3 or 4 times, it finally said quick nav on and at least for now appears to be working again. Strange, but there it is. I didn't recall the key-stroke for turning it on and off, so I'm glad you mentioned that. Much appreciated. Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. tracyduffy at nc.rr.com On Aug 1, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Tracy, > Did you turn off QuickNav mode by chance? That is toggled with the left and right arrows together. If it was turned off the web rotor wouldn't work. > Hope this helps, > Zack. > On Aug 1, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Tracy Duffy wrote: > >> Ok. So what have I done, or is there a problem? All of a sudden when I open safari, the only way I can navigate is by using VO-left and right arrows. I can move up or down and absolutely nothing happens when I try to choose something from the web rotor. Any ideas? Thanks. >> >> Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. >> tracyduffy at nc.rr.com >> >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 19:01:55 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:01:55 +0100 Subject: Lion Server Questions; Feel Free In-Reply-To: References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> <946819FE-A6FD-4414-86BA-271349213018@gmail.com> <66439BC7-57CF-43A8-9334-18200E0D2FC4@blueyonder.co.uk> <007890F4-FE01-4D42-8AFF-E508D2D1E296@mac.com> Message-ID: Hello Travis If you want to know anything about Lion Server that we can tell you, feel free to ask. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 19:10:55 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:10:55 +0100 Subject: Mac Mini Server question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <794BE429-5851-450F-BAA3-F6B3E9EA2D8A@mac-access.net> Hello Jim To address your first point, I don't think he intended to come across as patronising; but I can see why you might have thought that. It was a little abrupt. It is unfortunate that emaill can be like that at time when people don't take sufficient care and I don't think Gordon did on this occasion. But to be utterly fair Jim, you did ask this very question two or three days ago. I'm sorry that Gordon came across that way and I'll have a word with him about it. To address your second point, is this the upgrade and migration document you're talking about? If so, it's quite deep in places. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 19:12:25 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:12:25 +0100 Subject: Mac Mini Server question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <812083D8-1AAE-47E9-9C95-BEB3A3BCDF57@mac-access.net> Hello Jim Your site gives me an error 404. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 19:21:02 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:21:02 +0100 Subject: ABBYY FineReader for Lion In-Reply-To: <3C59A770-8764-49C0-94D0-F008D3BF53C0@anarchie.org.uk> References: <3C59A770-8764-49C0-94D0-F008D3BF53C0@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <2249B47B-6049-4639-9F50-107DF9454C44@mac-access.net> hello Anne Many thanks for this; have you noticed any improvement? Lynne On 1 Aug 2011, at 18:23, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello everyone, Here is the link to download the Lion compatible version of ABBYY FineReader for those who, like me, bought it through the Website. The link starts the download automatically. Cheers, Anne <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From zkline at speedpost.net Mon Aug 1 19:40:30 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 11:40:30 -0700 Subject: No web rotor In-Reply-To: <9073F9B3-9C6B-4B2F-B9B3-E8F8197B9CC3@nc.rr.com> References: <1477275B-B0D5-457C-878F-3C5806392124@speedpost.net> <9073F9B3-9C6B-4B2F-B9B3-E8F8197B9CC3@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <8886818A-0C5E-4CB6-B82A-08D012C038B5@speedpost.net> Hi Tracy, There's a weird problem which I've occasionally noticed with my MacBook Pro which seems hardware-related, in which one or other of the arrow keys seems to get stuck in the down position, resulting n unintentional quicknav toggling. A couple presses of that key seem to resolve the situation, and it isn't enough of an issue to be truly annoying. This might account for your situation. I'm glad it seems to be resolved for the moment. Best, Zack. On Aug 1, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Tracy Duffy wrote: > Well, I never did it on purpose, but I went and used your suggestion. It began by saying quick nav off, so I did it again with the same result. After getting quick nav off announced 3 or 4 times, it finally said quick nav on and at least for now appears to be working again. Strange, but there it is. I didn't recall the key-stroke for turning it on and off, so I'm glad you mentioned that. Much appreciated. > > Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. > tracyduffy at nc.rr.com > > > > > On Aug 1, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Tracy, >> Did you turn off QuickNav mode by chance? That is toggled with the left and right arrows together. If it was turned off the web rotor wouldn't work. >> Hope this helps, >> Zack. >> On Aug 1, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Tracy Duffy wrote: >> >>> Ok. So what have I done, or is there a problem? All of a sudden when I open safari, the only way I can navigate is by using VO-left and right arrows. I can move up or down and absolutely nothing happens when I try to choose something from the web rotor. Any ideas? Thanks. >>> >>> Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. >>> tracyduffy at nc.rr.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 19:44:26 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 11:44:26 -0700 Subject: No web rotor In-Reply-To: <8886818A-0C5E-4CB6-B82A-08D012C038B5@speedpost.net> References: <1477275B-B0D5-457C-878F-3C5806392124@speedpost.net> <9073F9B3-9C6B-4B2F-B9B3-E8F8197B9CC3@nc.rr.com> <8886818A-0C5E-4CB6-B82A-08D012C038B5@speedpost.net> Message-ID: Actually I also have that problem as well. it does not happen all the time but when it happens it's annoying lol! On Aug 1, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Tracy, > There's a weird problem which I've occasionally noticed with my MacBook Pro which seems hardware-related, in which one or other of the arrow keys seems to get stuck in the down position, resulting n unintentional quicknav toggling. A couple presses of that key seem to resolve the situation, and it isn't enough of an issue to be truly annoying. This might account for your situation. I'm glad it seems to be resolved for the moment. > Best, > Zack. > On Aug 1, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Tracy Duffy wrote: > >> Well, I never did it on purpose, but I went and used your suggestion. It began by saying quick nav off, so I did it again with the same result. After getting quick nav off announced 3 or 4 times, it finally said quick nav on and at least for now appears to be working again. Strange, but there it is. I didn't recall the key-stroke for turning it on and off, so I'm glad you mentioned that. Much appreciated. >> >> Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. >> tracyduffy at nc.rr.com >> >> >> >> >> On Aug 1, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >> >>> Hi Tracy, >>> Did you turn off QuickNav mode by chance? That is toggled with the left and right arrows together. If it was turned off the web rotor wouldn't work. >>> Hope this helps, >>> Zack. >>> On Aug 1, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Tracy Duffy wrote: >>> >>>> Ok. So what have I done, or is there a problem? All of a sudden when I open safari, the only way I can navigate is by using VO-left and right arrows. I can move up or down and absolutely nothing happens when I try to choose something from the web rotor. Any ideas? Thanks. >>>> >>>> Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. >>>> tracyduffy at nc.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 19:45:29 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 11:45:29 -0700 Subject: switching tabs in safari In-Reply-To: References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> <946819FE-A6FD-4414-86BA-271349213018@gmail.com> <66439BC7-57CF-43A8-9334-18200E0D2FC4@blueyonder.co.uk> <007890F4-FE01-4D42-8AFF-E508D2D1E296@mac.com> Message-ID: <17132111-E2B6-4C77-990C-382F8C37392C@gmail.com> to switch tabs, press control tab. works in lion as well as snl. On Aug 1, 2011, at 10:03 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > Travis, > > 1. I agree Safari and VO have always worked fine when opening and switching between windows. I guess I use tabs as I used to be able to see, and I hated clutter and too many windows open. Tabs are so neat and clutter free in my mind's eye too. i am just knit picking I guess, but I think it is an oversight as the tabs themselves have the title of the web page written on them and when you switch to a new tab the title appears on the window title bar too. So for VO not to pick up on this is lazy programming in my opinion. > > I use Windows a lot, so guess I get used to some of the bells and whistles you become used to with JAWS. > > 2. I think Gordon's point was that it was quicker and more accessible being able to navigate a print services window instead of having to navigate around a web interface via Safari. > > 3. I also agree with you on the conversations / thread matter. Apple have tried to make their threads look more like conversations that appear in the iPhone and the forth coming iMessage facility, so I guess they are trying to bundle everything up. > > Chris > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 17:51, Travis Siegel wrote: > >> Just a couple things here. >> 1. I don't use tabs, but switching between windows using command-tilde in safari has always read the title of the current page, all the way back to tiger. If tabs don't work this way, then it seems simple enough not to use them. I was under the impression that tabs did nothing for vo users, but of course, I'm always willing to be corrected on that point. >> >> 2. Cups is not unique to apple. As Zachery pointed out, it's been in unix oses for years and years, and (yes, even in osx) In fact, we use cups in tiger to talk to one of our printers which is network capable, and it's plugged into the tiger machine, because that's the one with the server software on it (well, it did, but not anymore, but it's still tiger) Linux, and even windows supports cups as well with the proper drivers, so this is just apple finally moving to match the rest of the computing community. >> >> Although, I really need to question their need to change mail's threading to conversations, when every other mail client on the planet calls them threads, calling them conversations is only going to confuse folks to no purpose, but that's neither here nor there. >> >> When I'm able, I fully intend to obtain lion server, but that won't be for a few months at least, gotta upgrade some machines first, and replace a broken interconnect board in one mac mini, then upgrade it's memory to meet lion requirements. >> I'm reading the lion server threads (yes, I said threads not conversations) with great pleasure, as it allows me to learn in advance what to watch out for, and what works out of the box so to speak. I'm sure I'll have a whole lot more to say once Ihave lion server setup, but until then, all I can do is sit here and wish. :) >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Mon Aug 1 20:03:32 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:03:32 +0100 Subject: No web rotor In-Reply-To: References: <1477275B-B0D5-457C-878F-3C5806392124@speedpost.net> <9073F9B3-9C6B-4B2F-B9B3-E8F8197B9CC3@nc.rr.com> <8886818A-0C5E-4CB6-B82A-08D012C038B5@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <99018F29-893A-4E22-9102-DD85DAFED35E@computing.dcu.ie> Yes I've experienced it too. I've tried using some of the inspectors to see if anything is triggering it but no joy. On 1 Aug 2011, at 19:44, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Actually I also have that problem as well. it does not happen all the time but when it happens it's annoying lol! > On Aug 1, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Tracy, >> There's a weird problem which I've occasionally noticed with my MacBook Pro which seems hardware-related, in which one or other of the arrow keys seems to get stuck in the down position, resulting n unintentional quicknav toggling. A couple presses of that key seem to resolve the situation, and it isn't enough of an issue to be truly annoying. This might account for your situation. I'm glad it seems to be resolved for the moment. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Aug 1, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Tracy Duffy wrote: >> >>> Well, I never did it on purpose, but I went and used your suggestion. It began by saying quick nav off, so I did it again with the same result. After getting quick nav off announced 3 or 4 times, it finally said quick nav on and at least for now appears to be working again. Strange, but there it is. I didn't recall the key-stroke for turning it on and off, so I'm glad you mentioned that. Much appreciated. >>> >>> Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. >>> tracyduffy at nc.rr.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 1, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Tracy, >>>> Did you turn off QuickNav mode by chance? That is toggled with the left and right arrows together. If it was turned off the web rotor wouldn't work. >>>> Hope this helps, >>>> Zack. >>>> On Aug 1, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Tracy Duffy wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ok. So what have I done, or is there a problem? All of a sudden when I open safari, the only way I can navigate is by using VO-left and right arrows. I can move up or down and absolutely nothing happens when I try to choose something from the web rotor. Any ideas? Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. >>>>> tracyduffy at nc.rr.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From zkline at speedpost.net Mon Aug 1 20:06:38 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 12:06:38 -0700 Subject: No web rotor In-Reply-To: <99018F29-893A-4E22-9102-DD85DAFED35E@computing.dcu.ie> References: <1477275B-B0D5-457C-878F-3C5806392124@speedpost.net> <9073F9B3-9C6B-4B2F-B9B3-E8F8197B9CC3@nc.rr.com> <8886818A-0C5E-4CB6-B82A-08D012C038B5@speedpost.net> <99018F29-893A-4E22-9102-DD85DAFED35E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <6E56DC78-7899-4778-A6E3-713D06561E75@speedpost.net> Hi, Weirdly enough, I've noticed it most when using VmWare FUsion. I don't know if that has any bearing on the situation, but there it is. As I said, I haven't ran into it enough to be truly annoyed by it. I really do suspect some kind of low-level keyboard or driver-related issue. Best, Zack. On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:03 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Yes I've experienced it too. I've tried using some of the inspectors to see if anything is triggering it but no joy. > On 1 Aug 2011, at 19:44, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Actually I also have that problem as well. it does not happen all the time but when it happens it's annoying lol! >> On Aug 1, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: >> >>> Hi Tracy, >>> There's a weird problem which I've occasionally noticed with my MacBook Pro which seems hardware-related, in which one or other of the arrow keys seems to get stuck in the down position, resulting n unintentional quicknav toggling. A couple presses of that key seem to resolve the situation, and it isn't enough of an issue to be truly annoying. This might account for your situation. I'm glad it seems to be resolved for the moment. >>> Best, >>> Zack. >>> On Aug 1, 2011, at 10:59 AM, Tracy Duffy wrote: >>> >>>> Well, I never did it on purpose, but I went and used your suggestion. It began by saying quick nav off, so I did it again with the same result. After getting quick nav off announced 3 or 4 times, it finally said quick nav on and at least for now appears to be working again. Strange, but there it is. I didn't recall the key-stroke for turning it on and off, so I'm glad you mentioned that. Much appreciated. >>>> >>>> Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. >>>> tracyduffy at nc.rr.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 1, 2011, at 1:42 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Tracy, >>>>> Did you turn off QuickNav mode by chance? That is toggled with the left and right arrows together. If it was turned off the web rotor wouldn't work. >>>>> Hope this helps, >>>>> Zack. >>>>> On Aug 1, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Tracy Duffy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ok. So what have I done, or is there a problem? All of a sudden when I open safari, the only way I can navigate is by using VO-left and right arrows. I can move up or down and absolutely nothing happens when I try to choose something from the web rotor. Any ideas? Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. >>>>>> tracyduffy at nc.rr.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 20:09:50 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:09:50 +0100 Subject: No web rotor In-Reply-To: <99018F29-893A-4E22-9102-DD85DAFED35E@computing.dcu.ie> References: <1477275B-B0D5-457C-878F-3C5806392124@speedpost.net> <9073F9B3-9C6B-4B2F-B9B3-E8F8197B9CC3@nc.rr.com> <8886818A-0C5E-4CB6-B82A-08D012C038B5@speedpost.net> <99018F29-893A-4E22-9102-DD85DAFED35E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <915C02B1-A68D-410D-BD8A-1D48EAD4F750@mac-access.net> Hello Tracy, Sarah, Zach & all. There's a "known issue" related to this problem actually which as I say, Apple is aware of. It is actually more noticeable in Snow Leopard but it does occur in Lion as well as you rightly sy. But Apple is aware of it and it's one of the things which we are told is being investigated by engineering responsible for VoiceOver. Lynne On 1 Aug 2011, at 20:03, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: Yes I've experienced it too. I've tried using some of the inspectors to see if anything is triggering it but no joy. From anne at anarchie.org.uk Mon Aug 1 20:50:44 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:50:44 +0200 Subject: ABBYY FineReader for Lion In-Reply-To: <2249B47B-6049-4639-9F50-107DF9454C44@mac-access.net> References: <3C59A770-8764-49C0-94D0-F008D3BF53C0@anarchie.org.uk> <2249B47B-6049-4639-9F50-107DF9454C44@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <485AD0A3-EC1F-45F7-8DA8-2AAE61842FD1@anarchie.org.uk> Hello Lynne, On 1 Aug 2011, at 20:21, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > > > Many thanks for this; have you noticed any improvement? > I haven't had time to test it thoroughly, just enough to ensure that it works. It's still a bit messy to use with my scanner, so I think I'll stick to my usual practice of using VueScan to capture the images, and FineReader to perform the OCR. Cheers, Anne From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 21:31:22 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:31:22 +0100 Subject: ABBYY FineReader for Lion In-Reply-To: <485AD0A3-EC1F-45F7-8DA8-2AAE61842FD1@anarchie.org.uk> References: <3C59A770-8764-49C0-94D0-F008D3BF53C0@anarchie.org.uk> <2249B47B-6049-4639-9F50-107DF9454C44@mac-access.net> <485AD0A3-EC1F-45F7-8DA8-2AAE61842FD1@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: Hello Anne On 1 Aug 2011, at 20:50, Anne Robertson wrote: ? It's still a bit messy to use with my scanner, so I think I'll stick to my usual practice of using VueScan to capture the images, and FineReader to perform the OCR. Thank you for the confirmation. It sounds like the best solution then. We have similar scanners to you I believe, so we're probably in the same sort of situation with the exception that we also have DocuScan Plus. Lynne From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Mon Aug 1 21:37:32 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:37:32 +0100 Subject: Timecapsule or QNAP NAS? Message-ID: <176767FB-62EF-4B79-92C0-FAD335C86944@computing.dcu.ie> Hi all, My mind is pretty much made up to buy the QNAP NAS because if seems to be more extensible through packages etc. However, should I consider a TimeCapsule? Basically I want something onto which I can download stuff, and also which will act as a web-server/DLNA server. I presume the Capsule won't do that? From what I've read, it's a glorified and over-priced router/HD combo and nothing more? Is this a reasonable assessment? D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 21:43:49 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:43:49 +0100 Subject: Timecapsule or QNAP NAS? In-Reply-To: <176767FB-62EF-4B79-92C0-FAD335C86944@computing.dcu.ie> References: <176767FB-62EF-4B79-92C0-FAD335C86944@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <95C70326-16F1-48E8-A830-AA45A92D3DBD@mac-access.net> Hello Donal Not Apple specific, but may I suggest you consider something like one of the WD network solutions which would be more suitable I think for your needs. The TC is debilitating to a high grade network which I believe you have. You're right that the TC won't function as a web server but it can be configured to work as a NAS drive if you know how to do it. That's what Gordon did with ours. But we don't use it much any more because of the bottleneck that it introduces on a fast network. We now use Sisco switches. If you want to discuss this off list, since it's moving away from Apple, feel free. Lynne On 1 Aug 2011, at 21:37, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: Hi all, My mind is pretty much made up to buy the QNAP NAS because if seems to be more extensible through packages etc. However, should I consider a TimeCapsule? Basically I want something onto which I can download stuff, and also which will act as a web-server/DLNA server. I presume the Capsule won't do that? From what I've read, it's a glorified and over-priced router/HD combo and nothing more? Is this a reasonable assessment? D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Mon Aug 1 21:45:27 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:45:27 +0100 Subject: Timecapsule or QNAP NAS? In-Reply-To: <95C70326-16F1-48E8-A830-AA45A92D3DBD@mac-access.net> References: <176767FB-62EF-4B79-92C0-FAD335C86944@computing.dcu.ie> <95C70326-16F1-48E8-A830-AA45A92D3DBD@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <29C77BB5-6218-418E-9CD3-D12D4CEE1958@computing.dcu.ie> Will do Lynne, thanks much. On 1 Aug 2011, at 21:43, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Donal > > Not Apple specific, but may I suggest you consider something like one of the WD network solutions which would be more suitable I think for your needs. > > The TC is debilitating to a high grade network which I believe you have. You're right that the TC won't function as a web server but it can be configured to work as a NAS drive if you know how to do it. That's what Gordon did with ours. But we don't use it much any more because of the bottleneck that it introduces on a fast network. We now use Sisco switches. > > If you want to discuss this off list, since it's moving away from Apple, feel free. > > Lynne > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 21:37, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Hi all, > > My mind is pretty much made up to buy the QNAP NAS because if seems to be more extensible through packages etc. However, should I consider a TimeCapsule? Basically I want something onto which I can download stuff, and also which will act as a web-server/DLNA server. I presume the Capsule won't do that? From what I've read, it's a glorified and over-priced router/HD combo and nothing more? Is this a reasonable assessment? > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Mon Aug 1 21:55:31 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 17:55:31 -0300 Subject: Mac Mini Server question. In-Reply-To: <794BE429-5851-450F-BAA3-F6B3E9EA2D8A@mac-access.net> References: <794BE429-5851-450F-BAA3-F6B3E9EA2D8A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Thanks Lynn for your comments. I'm aware of the advice that came from you folks but I want that particular hardware configuration. If I can't fix it, I'll live with it. I have discovered that there are others that are wanting to know the same answer that I was looking for. In any case, let's just drop the matter. The document mentioned in my last post is just one that I've found on the net. It may, or may not be, of any value. For my part, it's a fascinating and exciting business. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 3:10 PM Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server question. > Hello Jim > > To address your first point, I don't think he intended to come across as > patronising; but I can see why you might have thought that. It was a > little abrupt. It is unfortunate that emaill can be like that at time when > people don't take sufficient care and I don't think Gordon did on this > occasion. > > But to be utterly fair Jim, you did ask this very question two or three > days ago. I'm sorry that Gordon came across that way and I'll have a word > with him about it. > > To address your second point, is this the upgrade and migration document > you're talking about? If so, it's quite deep in places. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6341 (20110801) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6341 (20110801) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From moriond at mac.com Mon Aug 1 21:57:42 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 10:57:42 -1000 Subject: Tabs in Safari and printers on the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> <946819FE-A6FD-4414-86BA-271349213018@gmail.com> <66439BC7-57CF-43A8-9334-18200E0D2FC4@blueyonder.co.uk> <007890F4-FE01-4D42-8AFF-E508D2D1E296@mac.com> Message-ID: <9729D147-47A6-4A24-8AB8-6317BA823ED9@mac.com> Hi Travis, 1. My understanding is that there may be some overhead savings in using tabs instead of windows in Safari as far as using system resources goes, but that really enters in when you have a large number of windows open at the same time. Switching windows in Safari has had the advantage of returning your VoiceOver focus to the same place when using earlier versions of Mac OS X. 2. If you're using Tiger, I recall that I used Gutenprint (which used to be called Gimp-Print) as a source of printer drivers. Earlier versions of Mac OS X did not come with printer drivers. In Tiger, support for an unfamiliar printer could usually be found in an updated Gutenprint download. And by Leopard, Apple incorporated Gutenprint into its release. This is a common SourceForge product that is also used on Linux and other platforms. I haven't used this for some time, though. You can still get Gutenprint from: http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/MacOSX.php However, I always find the Macupdate site an easier place to check: http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/9055/gutenprint The latest version release is dated May 2011 (pre-Lion) From the Gutenprint FAQ: ? Gutenprint (formerly called Gimp-Print) is a package of high quality printer drivers for Mac OS X, Darwin, Linux, BSD, Solaris, IRIX, and other UNIX-alike operating systems. In many cases, these drivers rival or exceed the OEM drivers in quality and functionality. Our goal is to produce the highest possible output quality from all supported printers. To that end, we have done extensive work on screening algorithms, color generation, and printer feature utilization. We are continuing our work in all of these areas to produce ever higher quality results, particularly on the ubiquitous, inexpensive inkjet printers that are nonetheless capable of nearly photographic output quality. Additionally, Gutenprint provides excellent drivers for many printers that are otherwise unsupported on Mac OS X. HTH. Cheers, Esther From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Aug 1 22:05:30 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 14:05:30 -0700 Subject: No web rotor In-Reply-To: <915C02B1-A68D-410D-BD8A-1D48EAD4F750@mac-access.net> References: <1477275B-B0D5-457C-878F-3C5806392124@speedpost.net> <9073F9B3-9C6B-4B2F-B9B3-E8F8197B9CC3@nc.rr.com> <8886818A-0C5E-4CB6-B82A-08D012C038B5@speedpost.net> <99018F29-893A-4E22-9102-DD85DAFED35E@computing.dcu.ie> <915C02B1-A68D-410D-BD8A-1D48EAD4F750@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <51F6323C-8083-4DBC-A2E0-BE974E882ACD@gmail.com> Ah good so I'm not going crazy. Yeah! I'm sure they will fix it. Take care. On Aug 1, 2011, at 12:09 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Tracy, Sarah, Zach & all. > > There's a "known issue" related to this problem actually which as I say, Apple is aware of. It is actually more noticeable in Snow Leopard but it does occur in Lion as well as you rightly sy. > > But Apple is aware of it and it's one of the things which we are told is being investigated by engineering responsible for VoiceOver. > > Lynne > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 20:03, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Yes I've experienced it too. I've tried using some of the inspectors to see if anything is triggering it but no joy. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Mon Aug 1 22:06:18 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 18:06:18 -0300 Subject: Mac Mini Server question. In-Reply-To: <812083D8-1AAE-47E9-9C95-BEB3A3BCDF57@mac-access.net> References: <812083D8-1AAE-47E9-9C95-BEB3A3BCDF57@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <8DC3B39A156E4585859F5344A4679F72@MainComputer> Lynn: I just had a Skype contact try the site and he had no problem logging on. Perhaps I mistyped the address. We'll try it again: ftp.compuconference.com If you get in, just brows to the Apple_Stuff directory. Cheers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server question. > Hello Jim > > Your site gives me an error 404. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6341 (20110801) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6341 (20110801) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From moriond at mac.com Mon Aug 1 22:38:31 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 11:38:31 -1000 Subject: Adobe Digital Editions Preview usable In-Reply-To: <6184FFDE-1593-4746-9DAE-A1B8B5EB14A8@gmail.com> References: <3596D407-9617-4D1F-B847-E7F7BEF5A593@gmail.com> <461ECF97-DB40-4F36-AA04-8A261BDED2F1@mac.com> <74D56BBB-99DD-4840-AD78-357C5F48E12A@gmail.com> <7A8F42CC-A9D8-4892-AA18-7410ECD677DD@mac.com> <6184FFDE-1593-4746-9DAE-A1B8B5EB14A8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <25D299CA-8E5D-4A49-AE5D-0152F10ECF47@mac.com> Hi Mary, I was able to download an eBook from my public library with Adobe Digital Editions (ADE) DRM protection, and have VoiceOver read this in the OverDrive app (on iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad). When I re-visit the library account site, it seems possible to download the same ebook file onto my computer, as well, and you should be able to do the download in either order if your device(s) are authorized with your Adobe Digital Editions login and password. You should only need to authorize your device once, in your settings for the app, or in the Adobe Digital Editions Preview application on your computer. My library sets a limit of 3 downloads per eBook title. I think that is to either mobile devices or computer during the borrowing period. The advantage of using the OverDrive app on an iOS device is that you'll have the ability to navigate by characters, words, or lines using the rotor setting. At present, in the ADE Preview on my Mac, I have to advance each page using the right arrow key, and I can only pause/resume reading with VoiceOver by pressing the Control key. You can read continuously within a page, search, navigate with the table of contents, and bookmark pages, but you can't navigate by character, words, or lines using the ADE Preview version 1.8 on your computer, as you have already noticed. However, I haven't found any general way to get an eBook with ADE DRM into the OverDrive app, except for the ones I download directly from my library. I read a very recent review that stated you could mail these ePubs as attachments, then open them in the OverDrive app on your iPad. That didn't work for me, since OverDrive was not one of the apps that was offered (although Bluefire Reader, which is not accessible with VoiceOver for these files, was one of the options), but I haven't run the latest iOS update. The reviewer claimed that mailed ePub attachments could be opened in OverDrive. I don't know whether you've used the OverDrive app to place downloadable audiobooks from your public library directly onto your iOS device, but the procedure for downloading eBooks with ADE DRM protection from your public library is similar. You don't need to have or use any software applications on your Mac computer to download to your iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad running the free OverDrive app. On the other hand, if you do want to One quick warning with the OverDrive app is that when most of these ebooks first load into the app, you'll be on a cover graphic, which VoiceOver won't read, just as the case for the ADE Preview application on your Mac. The page navigation controls stay up when you first launch a book, but seem set to automatically fade out after a period that may be too short for you to navigate/flick through all of them before this happens. If you want to bring them back up, just double tap in the center of the screen. The button controls at the top (of my iPad) then read out as: "Exit book", "Brightness Button", "Font Size Button", "ePub Info Flip Icon", and "Bookmark Button". At the bottom of the page is the slider for book position, and if you flick to read the bottom left and right corner, you'll hear the number of pages left in chapter and the total number of pages. You want to double tap the "ePub Info Flip Icon" button to bring up the table of contents to advance past the cover. Alternatively, you could toggle VoiceOver off and tap the right side of the screen to advance the page. If you are on the screen reached with "ePub Info Flip Icon" you'll find two buttons at the bottom. By default the first button in the bottom left corner, "Navigation", will be selected. The second button, which you can also reach by going to the last element of the screen (four finger tap on bottom half of screen) is the "Bookmarks" button. It's not in the bottom right corner, but is instead, just to the right of the "Navigation" button in the bottom left corner. Double tap the "Resume" button in the top right corner to get back to your book. Double tapping the "ePub back arrow" button in the top left corner takes you back to your library of downloaded eBooks. Will send this off now, as it has been sitting on my computer for a while. Note that OverDrive library download services for eBooks are available internationally. I don't think they're in France, or the Scandinavian countries, but the UK, Australia, Germany, Canada, Taiwan, and a number of other countries have libraries using OverDrive. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Jul 30, 2011, at 02:28, Mary Otten wrote: > Hi Esther, > This new version of digital editions seems to be the first one that lets you have the same book on more than one device, because access is tied to your Adobe id. That's my impression from the faq. So maybe the strictness around the Overdrive ebooks has lifted a bit. I guess experimentation will be in order. > > Mary > > Mary Otten > motten53 at gmail.com > From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 23:25:07 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 23:25:07 +0100 Subject: Mac Mini Server Explained; Trying to answer Jim's question In-Reply-To: References: <794BE429-5851-450F-BAA3-F6B3E9EA2D8A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <482A3FF3-7956-4D79-8E7D-C7BF29DA10FD@mac-access.net> Hello Jim OK, let me try and address this for you in a completely new way. The hardware boot ROM won't allow you to install anything but Server, so say the people we called at Apple yesterday. This is by design. I appreciate why you want the hardware; it's far more powerful. In fact, once you set up your network you may not be afflicted by most of the issues we have; because ours is a different configuration. But be aware that there are some issues you *will* run into. For instance your network configuration must be specific and if it changes you get issues. If I cam help further Jim I am more than willing to do so. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Aug 1 23:26:34 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 23:26:34 +0100 Subject: Jim's FTP Site In-Reply-To: <8DC3B39A156E4585859F5344A4679F72@MainComputer> References: <812083D8-1AAE-47E9-9C95-BEB3A3BCDF57@mac-access.net> <8DC3B39A156E4585859F5344A4679F72@MainComputer> Message-ID: <32927614-AA1D-48CB-9534-55515E62DC34@mac-access.net> Hello Jim The problem was last time you specified a folder called Applestuff which doesn't seem to exist. Lynne On 1 Aug 2011, at 22:06, Jim Noseworthy wrote: Lynn: I just had a Skype contact try the site and he had no problem logging on. Perhaps I mistyped the address. We'll try it again: ftp.compuconference.com If you get in, just brows to the Apple_Stuff directory. Cheers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server question. > Hello Jim > > Your site gives me an error 404. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6341 (20110801) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6341 (20110801) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Tue Aug 2 00:12:27 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:12:27 -0300 Subject: Jim's FTP Site In-Reply-To: <32927614-AA1D-48CB-9534-55515E62DC34@mac-access.net> References: <812083D8-1AAE-47E9-9C95-BEB3A3BCDF57@mac-access.net> <8DC3B39A156E4585859F5344A4679F72@MainComputer> <32927614-AA1D-48CB-9534-55515E62DC34@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Lynne: I'm not sure just why you are not able to see the Apple_Stuff directory. Could some of you folks in the group see if you can find the Apple_Stuff directory on: ftp.compuconference.com It's certainly possible that something is set up incorrectly. Cheers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:26 PM Subject: Re: Jim's FTP Site > Hello Jim > > The problem was last time you specified a folder called Applestuff which > doesn't seem to exist. > > Lynne > > On 1 Aug 2011, at 22:06, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > Lynn: > > I just had a Skype contact try the site and he had no problem logging on. > > Perhaps I mistyped the address. We'll try it again: > > ftp.compuconference.com > > If you get in, just brows to the Apple_Stuff directory. > > Cheers. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" > > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 3:12 PM > Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server question. > > >> Hello Jim >> >> Your site gives me an error 404. >> >> Lynne >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 6341 (20110801) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6341 (20110801) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6342 (20110801) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6342 (20110801) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Tue Aug 2 00:13:21 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:13:21 -0300 Subject: Mac Mini Server Explained; Trying to answer Jim's question In-Reply-To: <482A3FF3-7956-4D79-8E7D-C7BF29DA10FD@mac-access.net> References: <794BE429-5851-450F-BAA3-F6B3E9EA2D8A@mac-access.net> <482A3FF3-7956-4D79-8E7D-C7BF29DA10FD@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <678C141A74E04E9D8904C6C33BD3EC01@MainComputer> Lynne: Thanks all over the place. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 7:25 PM Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server Explained; Trying to answer Jim's question > Hello Jim > > OK, let me try and address this for you in a completely new way. The > hardware boot ROM won't allow you to install anything but Server, so say > the people we called at Apple yesterday. This is by design. I appreciate > why you want the hardware; it's far more powerful. In fact, once you set > up your network you may not be afflicted by most of the issues we have; > because ours is a different configuration. But be aware that there are > some issues you *will* run into. > > For instance your network configuration must be specific and if it changes > you get issues. > > If I cam help further Jim I am more than willing to do so. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6342 (20110801) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6342 (20110801) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From n0oxy at charter.net Tue Aug 2 01:00:13 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:00:13 -0500 Subject: Should I delay buying I-Mac In-Reply-To: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <98098942-A806-4F82-AF94-B55F5DF8D130@charter.net> First, if you ordered an imac now, it may still come with snow leppard. I've been using lion now for a few days, sure there are some minor issues, but certainly no show stoppers. I would go ahead and order the imac, you should be fine. On Aug 1, 2011, at 1:37 AM, David Griffith wrote: > The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days > has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac > today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects > like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. > Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these > issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web > browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions > I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money > Apple are asking me for. > It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without > also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. > It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply corrective > upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original > install confident everything works well. > > This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the > belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. Now it seems > upgrades include risks of accessibility lock out just as much as evident on > Windows machines over the years. > > Any comments > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6339 (20110731) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Tue Aug 2 01:06:18 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:06:18 -0500 Subject: Should I delay buying I-Mac In-Reply-To: References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <088F8840-E321-405C-B102-3F47B076F22D@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I'm using lion on a 3 year old mac mini with 2 GB of ram, if any computer would be sluggish with lion, I'm sure this mac mini would, and it's not. Humming along just fine. My fix for the sluggishness would be to do a clean install. On Aug 1, 2011, at 5:54 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > David, > > Gordon is right (as usual, but don't tell him that as it will go to his smoggy head) :) > > I a using Lion and for the most part its working fine. Actually VO has not crashed on me at all yet, seems more stable than SL. I was having a few teething problems with Mail, but I now do things a bit differently and all seems ok. Am sure the minor bugs will be fixed. There are a couple of minor bugs with Safari, but they are minor and the iTunes bug is minor, but that is not the cause of Lion. > > There are other aspects to Lion that work much better than before. > > Some people have reported sluggishness with it, am not finding that, and Mail is not sluggish for me either, and I have about 300 messages still sitting in my inbox (too lazy to move them). > > The only thing I hate about the Mac is the number of productive apps is less than on the Windows side. I am not a fan of i(can't)Work either to be honest, but that is just my opinion of it. I don't like jumping through hoops to make apps work, I just like to simply use them without any fuss. > > Also bare in mind, if you still need access to some Windows stuff, you can run Windows on your Mac like I have to do for various web stuff I do which I simply can't do on the Mac due to lack of VO support. > > Chris > On 1 Aug 2011, at 11:33, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> David >> >> The issues only really affect Lion Server, not the regular edition that you'd get. >> >> Don't be put off by the pessimists. Those who can't get it working and so, unreservedly, just condemn. >> >> I'm having horrendous problems with Lion Server; but let me tell you that there's far more that's right about Lion than wrong. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 1 Aug 2011, at 07:37, David Griffith wrote: >> >> The torrent of issues with Lion reported on this list over the last few days >> has slightly shaken my confidence in the Mac. I was going to order my I Mac >> today. I do not think I will be doing so now. Certainly mails with subjects >> like Shame on you Apple are food for thought. >> Now it seems sensible to hold on any order until at least some of these >> issues are resolved. The issues about difficulties with Mail and Safari web >> browsing and RSS are particularly worrying . These are core basic functions >> I need an accessible computer to work well with. Certainly for the money >> Apple are asking me for. >> It will be a challenge getting to grips with a new system anyway without >> also having to grapple with accessibility bugs at the same time. >> It will also be annoying if the first thing I have to do is apply corrective >> upgrades and patches. Ideally you should be able to return to the original >> install confident everything works well. >> >> This is disappointing as part of my reason for moving to the Mac was the >> belief that it had in built in accessibility upgrades. Now it seems >> upgrades include risks of accessibility lock out just as much as evident on >> Windows machines over the years. >> >> Any comments >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >> database 6339 (20110731) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jdawg1983 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 01:20:32 2011 From: jdawg1983 at gmail.com (joe quinn) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:20:32 -0500 Subject: preferences ont sticking Message-ID: <412784CF781E4DEAA80F3F2DEA440A90@joseph1> got lion on my Mac mini and, I've got an issue, as I'm sure ya can tell from the subject line, my sys preferences don't stick. what i mean is, I've gotta put the always use f keys as hardware, or whatever it is, so i have to hold fn down the turn up the volume and the like. that don't stick. nor does VO come up automatically when i start the Mac. any ideas? I've reinstalled lion granted this was a while ago, and I'd had the developer copy on there, which shouldn't make a difference since i don't think they'd break something that serious! From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Aug 2 01:28:35 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:28:35 -0400 Subject: Jim's FTP Site In-Reply-To: References: <812083D8-1AAE-47E9-9C95-BEB3A3BCDF57@mac-access.net> <8DC3B39A156E4585859F5344A4679F72@MainComputer> <32927614-AA1D-48CB-9534-55515E62DC34@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <3A2210F7-7FD1-40C3-A133-BB0419F0F32D@softcon.com> I was able to change to and list the Apple_Stuff directory, but I used the command-line ftp program, so don't know about any other access method. From krbarry at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 01:36:25 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 20:36:25 -0400 Subject: Producing video podcasts using iSight In-Reply-To: References: <44A38498-7FB0-4906-9DF5-756AE3B68E71@mac-access.net> <2B2B3A86-258D-47B6-8E01-6E71A1B38C8C@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <4e3746a1.4787e50a.3395.ffff98e2@mx.google.com> I hear the new Logitech 610 webcam is quite good. Kevin At 07:29 AM 8/1/2011, you wrote: >Hi Chris > >Thanks for this. What I'm now looking into is setting this up >properly for Mac Access and offering everybody who wants to join in >the ability to directly podcast with us using Podcast Composer which >comes with Lion and which would talk to our server directly. It's >apparently a one-step process and the podcasts would also appear >automatically in the iTunes Store. > >So I am going to look into doing this, and I'll give your suggestion >a try as well. Thanks. I'll look into buying a WebCam; do you have >any recommendations or sources here in the UK? > >Gordon > >On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:25, Chris Moore wrote: > >Gordon, > >There are a number of video cameras that work with the Mac either >via USB 2 or Firewire, Logitech also (and many others) have web cams >that work with the Mac too. > >I just noticed also that Photobooth that comes with Lion now has the >ability to record movies now too. So maybe you could do your >podcast with your iSight camera with that? > > >Chris >On 1 Aug 2011, at 12:16, Gordon Smith wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > I'd love to be able to produce a video podcast of a project I'm > working on for my paid work. is there an easy way to do > this? Also, is there a webcam available that works with the mac > Mini discretely? > > > > Gordon > > > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 01:56:44 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 01:56:44 +0100 Subject: Should I delay buying I-Mac In-Reply-To: <98098942-A806-4F82-AF94-B55F5DF8D130@charter.net> References: <691712.67733.qm@smtp819.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <98098942-A806-4F82-AF94-B55F5DF8D130@charter.net> Message-ID: hello Mike On 2 Aug 2011, at 01:00, Mike Arrigo wrote: ? First, if you ordered an imac now, it may still come with snow leppard. I've been using lion now for a few days, sure there are some minor issues, but certainly no show stoppers. I would go ahead and order the imac, you should be fine. I believe that, according to the website, they are shipping Lion now. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 02:23:34 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 18:23:34 -0700 Subject: preferences ont sticking In-Reply-To: <412784CF781E4DEAA80F3F2DEA440A90@joseph1> References: <412784CF781E4DEAA80F3F2DEA440A90@joseph1> Message-ID: <5BD39B93-343A-4EE2-A01E-D67A87CF1684@gmail.com> does it happen when you reboot? if so try removing the pref files and restart to see if it sticks when it remakes the files. On Aug 1, 2011, at 5:20 PM, joe quinn wrote: > got lion on my Mac mini and, I've got an issue, as I'm sure ya can tell from the subject line, my sys preferences don't stick. what i mean is, I've gotta put the always use f keys as hardware, or whatever it is, so i have to hold fn down the turn up the volume and the like. that don't stick. > nor does VO come up automatically when i start the Mac. any ideas? I've reinstalled lion granted this was a while ago, and I'd had the developer copy on there, which shouldn't make a difference since i don't think they'd break something that serious! > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 02:54:10 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 02:54:10 +0100 Subject: Well; that didn't take much breaking! Message-ID: <00C3C911-5ADB-4E74-ACD6-43E09D8F54C4@mac-access.net> Hello everybody OK, we now have our first major problem with the new quad core machine so recently acquired from Apple. We just went to boot up the system to try again to resolve the problems we've been having with it and, guess what, it wouldn't boot. I just got a black screen with random lines. So, we thought we'd try recovering the system by booting up while holding down Command+R. So we did, and got a message which said: "There was a problem while installing Mac OS X Server. Try reinstalling." then an OK button. Presing the OK button gave me a blank screen. So, things were getting pretty desperate now since it is clear our recovery partition is broken. So we tried the little tip; booting while holding down Command+Option+R and hoping it would download what it needed. Yes; it seemed to work, I got a "Please wait" icon. Then eventually the system restarted and went into the recovery partition and, guess what: "There was a problem installing Mac OS X, please try reinstalling". So, round and round in circles we go, getting nowhere very quickly. Looks like mission control has a problem, and we have a nice little square brick. Of course, getting support from Apple is difficult; no such facilities as they offer to US customers such as callback etc. Ironically, only yesterday I ordered an AppleCare protection plan for this machine, even though the machine is less than a week old. I thought perhaps it might give us that bit of peace of mind. Hum! Not so far. I've looked on the Apple website but their support articles don't give much other than very general and basic information away. But if things can't be fixed this machine must go back in its box and either be replaced or they'll have to give us a refund. Not looking good so far, and I hope Jim has more luck. Lynne From zkline at speedpost.net Tue Aug 2 03:08:40 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 19:08:40 -0700 Subject: Well; that didn't take much breaking! In-Reply-To: <00C3C911-5ADB-4E74-ACD6-43E09D8F54C4@mac-access.net> References: <00C3C911-5ADB-4E74-ACD6-43E09D8F54C4@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9AB3D071-B157-40D6-BBBE-D9AD9940A0FF@speedpost.net> Hi Lynn, Very strange and irritating. THis is the second such machine you've had issues with, is it not? I wonder if there's some fault at the production plant. It would be nice if you could determine which component was failing somehow. Was this working reasonably well until the reboot attempt? Seems that Applecare plan is needed after all. Best, Zack. On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:54 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > OK, we now have our first major problem with the new quad core machine so recently acquired from Apple. We just went to boot up the system to try again to resolve the problems we've been having with it and, guess what, it wouldn't boot. I just got a black screen with random lines. So, we thought we'd try recovering the system by booting up while holding down Command+R. So we did, and got a message which said: > "There was a problem while installing Mac OS X Server. Try reinstalling." > then an OK button. Pre sing the OK button gave me a blank screen. > > So, things were getting pretty desperate now since it is clear our recovery partition is broken. So we tried the little tip; booting while holding down Command+Option+R and hoping it would download what it needed. > > Yes; it seemed to work, I got a "Please wait" icon. Then eventually the system restarted and went into the recovery partition and, guess what: > "There was a problem installing Mac OS X, please try reinstalling". > > So, round and round in circles we go, getting nowhere very quickly. Looks like mission control has a problem, and we have a nice little square brick. > > Of course, getting support from Apple is difficult; no such facilities as they offer to US customers such as callback etc. Ironically, only yesterday I ordered an AppleCare protection plan for this machine, even though the machine is less than a week old. I thought perhaps it might give us that bit of peace of mind. Hum! Not so far. > > I've looked on the Apple website but their support articles don't give much other than very general and basic information away. But if things can't be fixed this machine must go back in its box and either be replaced or they'll have to give us a refund. Not looking good so far, and I hope Jim has more luck. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 03:58:55 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 03:58:55 +0100 Subject: Well; that didn't take much breaking! In-Reply-To: <9AB3D071-B157-40D6-BBBE-D9AD9940A0FF@speedpost.net> References: <00C3C911-5ADB-4E74-ACD6-43E09D8F54C4@mac-access.net> <9AB3D071-B157-40D6-BBBE-D9AD9940A0FF@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <7BED97C2-E6EA-4C3F-86BD-66B4C9BBAE3A@mac-access.net> Hello Zachary Well the reason for the replacement originally was that Apple sent us the Core 2 Duo model instead of the Quad Core. Then, they made another error and sent us another core 2 duo which shouldn't ever have been shipped. Then they sent us the right model. The machine was started from a cold start, and then came up with this problem. But to be honest we've been seeing issues on it right from the start. For instance, we could open a directory and then it would close again and open again and close. That was only one program, the server admin tool. So that may not be related; but it is kind of odd. We are going to put that to the test by installing Lion server on another machine when we're absolutely sure we have it triple backed up. Lynne On 2 Aug 2011, at 03:08, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Lynn, Very strange and irritating. THis is the second such machine you've had issues with, is it not? I wonder if there's some fault at the production plant. It would be nice if you could determine which component was failing somehow. Was this working reasonably well until the reboot attempt? Seems that Applecare plan is needed after all. Best, Zack. On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:54 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > OK, we now have our first major problem with the new quad core machine so recently acquired from Apple. We just went to boot up the system to try again to resolve the problems we've been having with it and, guess what, it wouldn't boot. I just got a black screen with random lines. So, we thought we'd try recovering the system by booting up while holding down Command+R. So we did, and got a message which said: > "There was a problem while installing Mac OS X Server. Try reinstalling." > then an OK button. Pre sing the OK button gave me a blank screen. > > So, things were getting pretty desperate now since it is clear our recovery partition is broken. So we tried the little tip; booting while holding down Command+Option+R and hoping it would download what it needed. > > Yes; it seemed to work, I got a "Please wait" icon. Then eventually the system restarted and went into the recovery partition and, guess what: > "There was a problem installing Mac OS X, please try reinstalling". > > So, round and round in circles we go, getting nowhere very quickly. Looks like mission control has a problem, and we have a nice little square brick. > > Of course, getting support from Apple is difficult; no such facilities as they offer to US customers such as callback etc. Ironically, only yesterday I ordered an AppleCare protection plan for this machine, even though the machine is less than a week old. I thought perhaps it might give us that bit of peace of mind. Hum! Not so far. > > I've looked on the Apple website but their support articles don't give much other than very general and basic information away. But if things can't be fixed this machine must go back in its box and either be replaced or they'll have to give us a refund. Not looking good so far, and I hope Jim has more luck. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From khwicca at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 05:24:12 2011 From: khwicca at gmail.com (Kristeen Hughes) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 00:24:12 -0400 Subject: questions about mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <780CB631-312A-4E70-BA59-2805A5EBE5FF@gmail.com> I can't seem to get the list of available Gmail boxes I used to get suhas all mail,, trash, sent items, etc. Since Gmail has moved a bunch of my unread mail out of the inbox, and I'd like to see it, I want to be able to go the the all mail folder. Also, how do you search for a text string in this new mail? Thanks. On Aug 1, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Tracy Duffy wrote: > I've been getting that a lot and I'm still using Snow Leopard. I think there's aproblem with safari or something. > > Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. > tracyduffy at nc.rr.com > > > > > On Jul 31, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi William, >> I don't know if anybody's ever come up with a satisfactory reason for this to be the case, but for what it's worth I run into it less in Lion than I did in SL. I suspect some kind of memory leak or script-related problem. I'd report it, as the more such reports Apple has the more likely they are to be able to do something about it. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 31, 2011, at 10:01 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> hi all why is safari even busy with voiceover in lion? >>> i am not impressed nowadays especially since the newer iMacs run i3 and above processors I am trying to process a payment and I just get safari busy busy busy busy ready busy busy busy busy busy it ridiculous >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Kristeen Hughes khwicca at gmail.com From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 05:29:44 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 05:29:44 +0100 Subject: Mail; [Revisited] Message-ID: <7E4AA07A-0DA8-44CB-B725-973DF77FF16B@mac-access.net> Hello everybody I too have a small query regarding Mail; and I'm sorry I can't answer Kristine's question because we don't use Google Mail, (thank christ)! Anyway, how do you jump to the bottom or top of a mailbox which contains a lot of messages? We have a lot of notes going back to 2007 in a mailbox and each time I open it I have to keep scrolling. Lynne From zkline at speedpost.net Tue Aug 2 05:33:49 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:33:49 -0700 Subject: Mail; [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <7E4AA07A-0DA8-44CB-B725-973DF77FF16B@mac-access.net> References: <7E4AA07A-0DA8-44CB-B725-973DF77FF16B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <33EF2018-E2F5-4350-AE42-D616E0C7E9D8@speedpost.net> Hi Lynn, You can use the VO commands to jump to the top and bottom of the message column, vo-shift-home and vo-shift-end. These work quite well for me, as long as you're interacting with the column first. Hope this helps, Zack. On Aug 1, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > I too have a small query regarding Mail; and I'm sorry I can't answer Kristine's question because we don't use Google Mail, (thank christ)! > > Anyway, how do you jump to the bottom or top of a mailbox which contains a lot of messages? We have a lot of notes going back to 2007 in a mailbox and each time I open it I have to keep scrolling. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 05:36:50 2011 From: skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com (Kliph&Sharrie) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 23:36:50 -0500 Subject: Mail; [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <33EF2018-E2F5-4350-AE42-D616E0C7E9D8@speedpost.net> References: <7E4AA07A-0DA8-44CB-B725-973DF77FF16B@mac-access.net> <33EF2018-E2F5-4350-AE42-D616E0C7E9D8@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <00f301cc50cd$cc87a060$6596e120$@gmail.com> I solved this issue another way. I created a short cut key in the key commander, so I push option number 1 to go to the top, and the option key 2 to go to the bottom of the table. Kliphton SR (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Marriage group) http://groups.google.com/group/committed-married-christians Sent From my Imac -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Zachary Kline Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 11:34 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Mail; [Revisited] Hi Lynn, You can use the VO commands to jump to the top and bottom of the message column, vo-shift-home and vo-shift-end. These work quite well for me, as long as you're interacting with the column first. Hope this helps, Zack. On Aug 1, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > I too have a small query regarding Mail; and I'm sorry I can't answer Kristine's question because we don't use Google Mail, (thank christ)! > > Anyway, how do you jump to the bottom or top of a mailbox which contains a lot of messages? We have a lot of notes going back to 2007 in a mailbox and each time I open it I have to keep scrolling. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 05:39:11 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 05:39:11 +0100 Subject: Mail; [ReVisited[ And Mac Mini Server's Very Ill]] In-Reply-To: <33EF2018-E2F5-4350-AE42-D616E0C7E9D8@speedpost.net> References: <7E4AA07A-0DA8-44CB-B725-973DF77FF16B@mac-access.net> <33EF2018-E2F5-4350-AE42-D616E0C7E9D8@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <6DBF443A-874B-4F6E-A9A8-D118CFB8D021@mac-access.net> Hello Zachary This is one of those occasions where I'm looking for an OS command as I don't routinely use VoiceOver unless I'm testing for Gordon. So I'm really looking for a keyboard shortcut that doesn't rely on VoiceOver. By the way it looks like that Mac Mini has real problems. The HDs are alright, we can see it in target mode on another machine. It tries to download the installer from the Internet then give us an error message as I wrote before. So whether it's the actual computer or something else I don't know but it has major problems. I'm just hoping this doesn't mean yet another return. Lynne On 2 Aug 2011, at 05:33, Zachary Kline wrote: You can use the VO commands to jump to the top and bottom of the message column, vo-shift-home and vo-shift-end. These work quite well for me, as long as you're interacting with the column first. Hope this helps, Zack. On Aug 1, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > I too have a small query regarding Mail; and I'm sorry I can't answer Kristine's question because we don't use Google Mail, (thank christ)! > > Anyway, how do you jump to the bottom or top of a mailbox which contains a lot of messages? We have a lot of notes going back to 2007 in a mailbox and each time I open it I have to keep scrolling. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 06:41:12 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 22:41:12 -0700 Subject: questions about mail In-Reply-To: <780CB631-312A-4E70-BA59-2805A5EBE5FF@gmail.com> References: <780CB631-312A-4E70-BA59-2805A5EBE5FF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <196EB7D0-C6E3-465D-8192-96E07AB3202A@gmail.com> Ok. interact with the list and then go down. one of the blanks you'll come across should be gmail. expand it and you will see them. Take care. On Aug 1, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: > I can't seem to get the list of available Gmail boxes I used to get suhas all mail,, trash, sent items, etc. Since Gmail has moved a bunch of my unread mail out of the inbox, and I'd like to see it, I want to be able to go the the all mail folder. Also, how do you search for a text string in this new mail? > > Thanks. > > On Aug 1, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Tracy Duffy wrote: > >> I've been getting that a lot and I'm still using Snow Leopard. I think there's aproblem with safari or something. >> >> Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. >> tracyduffy at nc.rr.com >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 31, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >> >>> Hi William, >>> I don't know if anybody's ever come up with a satisfactory reason for this to be the case, but for what it's worth I run into it less in Lion than I did in SL. I suspect some kind of memory leak or script-related problem. I'd report it, as the more such reports Apple has the more likely they are to be able to do something about it. >>> Best, >>> Zack. >>> On Jul 31, 2011, at 10:01 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> hi all why is safari even busy with voiceover in lion? >>>> i am not impressed nowadays especially since the newer iMacs run i3 and above processors I am trying to process a payment and I just get safari busy busy busy busy ready busy busy busy busy busy it ridiculous >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > Kristeen Hughes > khwicca at gmail.com > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Aug 2 07:03:31 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 07:03:31 +0100 Subject: Mail; [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <7E4AA07A-0DA8-44CB-B725-973DF77FF16B@mac-access.net> References: <7E4AA07A-0DA8-44CB-B725-973DF77FF16B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Lynne, This was my biggest gripe with Mail, they have removed the option + up or down arrow to jump to the top or bottom. I wrote to Apple Accessibility about this, they claimed it was not accessibility issue. I argued that most people just use the mouse or trackpad to point and click, but the majority of VO users rely on keyboard shortcuts. I think if enough of us complain, they might re-introduce it. I find it quite odd that Apple would remove this feature, as it seems to work everywhere else within Lion. Chris On 2 Aug 2011, at 05:29, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > I too have a small query regarding Mail; and I'm sorry I can't answer Kristine's question because we don't use Google Mail, (thank christ)! > > Anyway, how do you jump to the bottom or top of a mailbox which contains a lot of messages? We have a lot of notes going back to 2007 in a mailbox and each time I open it I have to keep scrolling. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From smur7241 at bigpond.net.au Tue Aug 2 07:20:09 2011 From: smur7241 at bigpond.net.au (Sean Murphy) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 16:20:09 +1000 Subject: questions about mail In-Reply-To: <780CB631-312A-4E70-BA59-2805A5EBE5FF@gmail.com> References: <780CB631-312A-4E70-BA59-2805A5EBE5FF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5CB5C526-8CDC-481E-A3D6-C674648912BE@bigpond.net.au> Chris, Go to the mailbox table. Interact with the table. Go to the Gmail account. Press the right arrow. They should appear. Since they are collapsed. I hope this helps. Sean On 02/08/2011, at 2:24 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: > I can't seem to get the list of available Gmail boxes I used to get suhas all mail,, trash, sent items, etc. Since Gmail has moved a bunch of my unread mail out of the inbox, and I'd like to see it, I want to be able to go the the all mail folder. Also, how do you search for a text string in this new mail? > > Thanks. > > On Aug 1, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Tracy Duffy wrote: > >> I've been getting that a lot and I'm still using Snow Leopard. I think there's aproblem with safari or something. >> >> Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. >> tracyduffy at nc.rr.com >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 31, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >> >>> Hi William, >>> I don't know if anybody's ever come up with a satisfactory reason for this to be the case, but for what it's worth I run into it less in Lion than I did in SL. I suspect some kind of memory leak or script-related problem. I'd report it, as the more such reports Apple has the more likely they are to be able to do something about it. >>> Best, >>> Zack. >>> On Jul 31, 2011, at 10:01 AM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> hi all why is safari even busy with voiceover in lion? >>>> i am not impressed nowadays especially since the newer iMacs run i3 and above processors I am trying to process a payment and I just get safari busy busy busy busy ready busy busy busy busy busy it ridiculous >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > Kristeen Hughes > khwicca at gmail.com > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From carolforrester at vodafoneemail.co.uk Tue Aug 2 09:19:14 2011 From: carolforrester at vodafoneemail.co.uk (carol forrester) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 09:19:14 +0100 Subject: busy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A9DC284-FC87-4CAE-8D74-F7BD738CC7FC@vodafoneemail.co.uk> if it is anything to go by, I get it all the time tooo, carol On 1 Aug 2011, at 18:48, Tracy Duffy wrote: > I've been getting that a lot and I'm still using Snow Leopard. I think there's aproblem with safari or something. > > Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. > tracyduffy at nc.rr.com > > > > > On Jul 31, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi William, >> I don't know if anybody's ever come up with a satisfactory reason for this to be the case, but for what it's worth I run into it less in Lion than I did in SL. I suspect some kind of memory leak or script-related problem. I'd report it, as the more such reports Apple has the more likely they are to be able to do something about it. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 31, 2011, at 10:01 AM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> hi all why is safari even busy with voiceover in lion? >>> i am not impressed nowadays especially since the newer iMacs run i3 and above processors I am trying to process a payment and I just get safari busy busy busy busy ready busy busy busy busy busy it ridiculous >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Tue Aug 2 10:09:21 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:09:21 +0100 Subject: busy In-Reply-To: <4A9DC284-FC87-4CAE-8D74-F7BD738CC7FC@vodafoneemail.co.uk> References: <4A9DC284-FC87-4CAE-8D74-F7BD738CC7FC@vodafoneemail.co.uk> Message-ID: Yep it happens all the time i think it's just something you have to live with although i hope that one day apple do find a fix to it because it is very anoying. Ian McNamara From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 13:28:42 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:28:42 +0100 Subject: AppleCare; is It Worth the money? Message-ID: <90DEF085-368E-4748-B68B-955CA43D79C7@mac-access.net> Hello everybody I just bought us an AppleCare Protection plan for our server machine, before we knew that it is, by the looks of it, a brick. Are these plans worth the money; or have I been conned again? I was convinced by the sales people at Apple that I should do this for a server machine. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 13:34:31 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:34:31 +0100 Subject: Mail; [Revisited] In-Reply-To: References: <7E4AA07A-0DA8-44CB-B725-973DF77FF16B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <3D840B2A-23C6-4A76-85C0-59455E4CAD66@mac-access.net> hello Chris On 2 Aug 2011, at 07:03, Chris Moore wrote: ? This was my biggest gripe with Mail, they have removed the option + up or down arrow to jump to the top or bottom. I wrote to Apple Accessibility about this, they claimed it was not accessibility issue. I argued that most people just use the mouse or trackpad to point and click, but the majority of VO users rely on keyboard shortcuts. I think if enough of us complain, they might re-introduce it. They're correct because technically it isn't a VO shortcut; it's an OS shortcut. ; or, should I say, it was! I agree with you it shouldn't have been removed. ? I find it quite odd that Apple would remove this feature, as it seems to work everywhere else within Lion. It really is most strange indeed. I suppose I'm just going to have to get used to the fact that I need to click, click, click; as I used too back in the bad old days. ;-) Lynne From zkline at speedpost.net Tue Aug 2 13:43:02 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 05:43:02 -0700 Subject: AppleCare; is It Worth the money? In-Reply-To: <90DEF085-368E-4748-B68B-955CA43D79C7@mac-access.net> References: <90DEF085-368E-4748-B68B-955CA43D79C7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <285E4CF4-C9FD-4699-8C28-973A75DABCF8@speedpost.net> Hi Lynn, I'd say it is worth the money in this instance, certainly. It's rather like insurance, you don't want to need it, but it's good to have anyway. Granted, I've never needed it myself,, but the extra protection is very reassuring. Best, Zack. On Aug 2, 2011, at 5:28 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > I just bought us an AppleCare Protection plan for our server machine, before we knew that it is, by the looks of it, a brick. Are these plans worth the money; or have I been conned again? I was convinced by the sales people at Apple that I should do this for a server machine. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Tue Aug 2 13:43:05 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy Duffy) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:43:05 -0400 Subject: busy In-Reply-To: References: <4A9DC284-FC87-4CAE-8D74-F7BD738CC7FC@vodafoneemail.co.uk> Message-ID: <577CC922-74BC-416C-B292-2D72F588A4CF@nc.rr.com> It didn't start for me until I updated software a week or two ago and the update was for safari. Could be coincidence, but doesn't seem likely. Now I get it a lot and it's very annoying. Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. tracyduffy at nc.rr.com On Aug 2, 2011, at 5:09 AM, Ian McNamara wrote: > Yep it happens all the time i think it's just something you have to live with although i hope that one day apple do find a fix to it because it is very anoying. > > Ian McNamara > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ron.mcewan at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 13:56:01 2011 From: ron.mcewan at gmail.com (Ronald McEwan) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 06:56:01 -0600 Subject: AppleCare; is It Worth the money? In-Reply-To: <90DEF085-368E-4748-B68B-955CA43D79C7@mac-access.net> References: <90DEF085-368E-4748-B68B-955CA43D79C7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9D5C477C-761B-44D5-8270-F9AB2BFBE0CB@gmail.com> My daughter has used it twice for her mac book. Once to replace a bad mother board and the second time for a dead harddrive. She has definitely got her money's worth. In the Journey, Ron On Aug 2, 2011, at 6:28 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > I just bought us an AppleCare Protection plan for our server machine, before we knew that it is, by the looks of it, a brick. Are these plans worth the money; or have I been conned again? I was convinced by the sales people at Apple that I should do this for a server machine. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From joncohn at cox.net Tue Aug 2 14:22:18 2011 From: joncohn at cox.net (Jon Cohn) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 09:22:18 -0400 Subject: Mail; [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <7E4AA07A-0DA8-44CB-B725-973DF77FF16B@mac-access.net> References: <7E4AA07A-0DA8-44CB-B725-973DF77FF16B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Lynn, What did you do in Snow Leopard? My understanding was that as soon as you started scrolling, the scroll bar would magically appear. Best wishes, Jonathan On Aug 2, 2011, at 12:29 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > I too have a small query regarding Mail; and I'm sorry I can't answer Kristine's question because we don't use Google Mail, (thank christ)! > > Anyway, how do you jump to the bottom or top of a mailbox which contains a lot of messages? We have a lot of notes going back to 2007 in a mailbox and each time I open it I have to keep scrolling. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From joncohn at cox.net Tue Aug 2 14:24:16 2011 From: joncohn at cox.net (Jonathan C. Cohn) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 09:24:16 -0400 Subject: A suggestion for the dead server Message-ID: Lynn, Try doing a PRAM reset, I have in recent years thought that the PRAM reset was essentially a non-function, but I remember reading on another list that this brought a dead Lion machine back to life. Let us know how it goes. Jonathan Jonathan C. Cohn joncohn at cox.net Jonathan C. Cohn joncohn at cox.net From support at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 14:33:17 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 14:33:17 +0100 Subject: Take Control Clients; Please Read Message-ID: Hello everybody Gordon has just fixed our file manager; so your bookshelves are back on line. We will be updating those of your shelves which are entitled to the recent free updates in the next few hours. If you think that is you, let us know. That way we don't miss you out by accident. Lynne ------------------------------ Gordon & Lynne Smith, Are you an iOS or Mac OS fan? If so, consider joining our vibrant community of fellow-enthusiasts. To join our forum, send a message to: with the word "subscribe" [no quotes] in the subject line of your message. Or else, visit: ------------------------------ From gordon at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 14:51:06 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 14:51:06 +0100 Subject: AppleCare; is It Worth the money? In-Reply-To: <285E4CF4-C9FD-4699-8C28-973A75DABCF8@speedpost.net> References: <90DEF085-368E-4748-B68B-955CA43D79C7@mac-access.net> <285E4CF4-C9FD-4699-8C28-973A75DABCF8@speedpost.net> Message-ID: hello Zachary Thank you for these comments. I opted to spend the money because of my insecurity about this new silly cloud way of booting and within a week, my worries have been justified. Lynne On 2 Aug 2011, at 13:43, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Lynn, I'd say it is worth the money in this instance, certainly. It's rather like insurance, you don't want to need it, but it's good to have anyway. Granted, I've never needed it myself,, but the extra protection is very reassuring. Best, Zack. On Aug 2, 2011, at 5:28 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > I just bought us an AppleCare Protection plan for our server machine, before we knew that it is, by the looks of it, a brick. Are these plans worth the money; or have I been conned again? I was convinced by the sales people at Apple that I should do this for a server machine. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From rattail4 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 15:05:56 2011 From: rattail4 at gmail.com (mike) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:05:56 -0400 Subject: AppleCare; is It Worth the money? In-Reply-To: <90DEF085-368E-4748-B68B-955CA43D79C7@mac-access.net> References: <90DEF085-368E-4748-B68B-955CA43D79C7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <94BB72057D584F0288E5BCEEECF62A8A@mquadPC> --------------------------------------------------apple care is a good idea for any apple device. Not like other companies who lie about their service From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 08:28 To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Subject: AppleCare; is It Worth the money? > Hello everybody > > I just bought us an AppleCare Protection plan for our server machine, > before we knew that it is, by the looks of it, a brick. Are these plans > worth the money; or have I been conned again? I was convinced by the sales > people at Apple that I should do this for a server machine. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 15:08:02 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 15:08:02 +0100 Subject: AppleCare; is It Worth the money? In-Reply-To: <9D5C477C-761B-44D5-8270-F9AB2BFBE0CB@gmail.com> References: <90DEF085-368E-4748-B68B-955CA43D79C7@mac-access.net> <9D5C477C-761B-44D5-8270-F9AB2BFBE0CB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <06EF8552-9F59-4C86-B4E4-F054E4A33F30@mac-access.net> hello Robert Thanks for this info. I only hope Apple makes changes to their contact pallet. Currently they don't even offer email support which I find amazing. We could buy an enterprise support plan, but the ?495.00 GBP for a single year is just too high a price to pay. Lynne On 2 Aug 2011, at 13:56, Ronald McEwan wrote: My daughter has used it twice for her mac book. Once to replace a bad mother board and the second time for a dead harddrive. She has definitely got her money's worth. In the Journey, Ron On Aug 2, 2011, at 6:28 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > I just bought us an AppleCare Protection plan for our server machine, before we knew that it is, by the looks of it, a brick. Are these plans worth the money; or have I been conned again? I was convinced by the sales people at Apple that I should do this for a server machine. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 15:10:24 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 15:10:24 +0100 Subject: Mail; [Revisited] In-Reply-To: References: <7E4AA07A-0DA8-44CB-B725-973DF77FF16B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: hello John In all honesty I never had the same issues under SL. I could just jump to the end of the list using the arrow keys. I think it was Option+down arrow, but I'm not sure as it's something I just sort of did without much thought. It certainly doesn't work in Lion and it's a real pain in the neck. Lynne On 2 Aug 2011, at 14:22, Jon Cohn wrote: Lynn, What did you do in Snow Leopard? My understanding was that as soon as you started scrolling, the scroll bar would magically appear. Best wishes, Jonathan On Aug 2, 2011, at 12:29 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > I too have a small query regarding Mail; and I'm sorry I can't answer Kristine's question because we don't use Google Mail, (thank christ)! > > Anyway, how do you jump to the bottom or top of a mailbox which contains a lot of messages? We have a lot of notes going back to 2007 in a mailbox and each time I open it I have to keep scrolling. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 15:13:05 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 15:13:05 +0100 Subject: A suggestion for the dead server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Jonathan Is that the Command+Option+Shift+R? If so, no; that won't work. I get as far as downloading the files from the network then it comes up with an error. So I don't think it's a SDRAM problem. The network boot system is just crazy in my view and I think Apple will soon revert to using locally available boot technologies because I think our problem will be far from unique. Lynne On 2 Aug 2011, at 14:24, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: Lynn, Try doing a PRAM reset, I have in recent years thought that the PRAM reset was essentially a non-function, but I remember reading on another list that this brought a dead Lion machine back to life. Let us know how it goes. Jonathan Jonathan C. Cohn joncohn at cox.net Jonathan C. Cohn joncohn at cox.net <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From zkline at speedpost.net Tue Aug 2 15:27:30 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 07:27:30 -0700 Subject: A suggestion for the dead server In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8DAC19C4-242E-4D10-B5FA-4DF49A8FF540@speedpost.net> Hi Lyn, THe PRAM reset is done with cmd-option-p-r. Hold them down on boot and wait until you hear the machine chime and reboot again. Hope this helps, Zack. On Aug 2, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Jonathan > > Is that the Command+Option+Shift+R? If so, no; that won't work. I get as far as downloading the files from the network then it comes up with an error. So I don't think it's a SDRAM problem. > > The network boot system is just crazy in my view and I think Apple will soon revert to using locally available boot technologies because I think our problem will be far from unique. > > Lynne > > On 2 Aug 2011, at 14:24, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: > > Lynn, > > Try doing a PRAM reset, I have in recent years thought that the PRAM reset was essentially a non-function, but I remember reading on another list that this brought a dead Lion machine back to life. > > > Let us know how it goes. > > Jonathan > > Jonathan C. Cohn > joncohn at cox.net > > > > Jonathan C. Cohn > joncohn at cox.net > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 15:33:38 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 15:33:38 +0100 Subject: A suggestion for the dead server In-Reply-To: <8DAC19C4-242E-4D10-B5FA-4DF49A8FF540@speedpost.net> References: <8DAC19C4-242E-4D10-B5FA-4DF49A8FF540@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <75C888E2-5CB5-4165-843B-4FB9AB27C225@mac-access.net> Hello Zachary I thought so, but no; that's not going to help because we get as far as downloading the installer from the Internet which, in the case of the server hardware, is how Apple does it. There is no bootable local option so you're stuck with cloud technology. I really don't like this method of doing things; and I have to admit that had I known this type of problem was possible I'm not sure I would have bought this type of machine. I honestly don't think Apple has thought this through very carefully. They haven't even produced a manual for this version of the Mac Mini yet, only the client version which is different. Lynne On 2 Aug 2011, at 15:27, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Lyn, THe PRAM reset is done with cmd-option-p-r. Hold them down on boot and wait until you hear the machine chime and reboot again. Hope this helps, Zack. On Aug 2, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Jonathan > > Is that the Command+Option+Shift+R? If so, no; that won't work. I get as far as downloading the files from the network then it comes up with an error. So I don't think it's a SDRAM problem. > > The network boot system is just crazy in my view and I think Apple will soon revert to using locally available boot technologies because I think our problem will be far from unique. > > Lynne > > On 2 Aug 2011, at 14:24, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: > > Lynn, > > Try doing a PRAM reset, I have in recent years thought that the PRAM reset was essentially a non-function, but I remember reading on another list that this brought a dead Lion machine back to life. > > > Let us know how it goes. > > Jonathan > > Jonathan C. Cohn > joncohn at cox.net > > > > Jonathan C. Cohn > joncohn at cox.net > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From helianthe at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 16:19:27 2011 From: helianthe at mac-access.net (Lyn & Twinny) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:19:27 +0200 Subject: apple care is it worth the money? Message-ID: <95B8ABBD-2C5E-4DE3-832C-D5B8A2FA75CD@mac-access.net> Gordon & Lynn Well I really think Apple care is definitely worth the money. I was really happy to have the Apple care protection last year when my white mac book gave up the ghost after only 10 months of its purchase. Thanks to the Apple care protection, I got a brand new mac and that was a mac book pro. I was sent a check and I was able to buy a new mac book pro. I certainly do not regret spending the extra money on Apple care honestly. Lyn, Canelle & Epi. ********** You can contact me in the following ways: email: helianthe at mac-access.net msn: lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com skype: keanemaniac facebook: www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 I am now also on twitter: www.twitter.com/mickymac2010 Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you From zkline at speedpost.net Tue Aug 2 16:28:02 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:28:02 -0700 Subject: A suggestion for the dead server In-Reply-To: <75C888E2-5CB5-4165-843B-4FB9AB27C225@mac-access.net> References: <8DAC19C4-242E-4D10-B5FA-4DF49A8FF540@speedpost.net> <75C888E2-5CB5-4165-843B-4FB9AB27C225@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9F1BA163-3196-4BD4-9EF0-C747F85A2A0F@speedpost.net> Hi Lynn, I'm surprised. The PRAM reset should not in any way initiate a recovery download, as that's not the purpose of that command. cmd-option-r will do this, but that's the recovery command, which is distinct from PRAM reset. Best, Zack. On Aug 2, 2011, at 7:33 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Zachary > > I thought so, but no; that's not going to help because we get as far as downloading the installer from the Internet which, in the case of the server hardware, is how Apple does it. There is no bootable local option so you're stuck with cloud technology. I really don't like this method of doing things; and I have to admit that had I known this type of problem was possible I'm not sure I would have bought this type of machine. > > I honestly don't think Apple has thought this through very carefully. They haven't even produced a manual for this version of the Mac Mini yet, only the client version which is different. > > Lynne > > > On 2 Aug 2011, at 15:27, Zachary Kline wrote: > > Hi Lyn, > THe PRAM reset is done with cmd-option-p-r. Hold them down on boot and wait until you hear the machine chime and reboot again. > Hope this helps, > Zack. > On Aug 2, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Jonathan >> >> Is that the Command+Option+Shift+R? If so, no; that won't work. I get as far as downloading the files from the network then it comes up with an error. So I don't think it's a SDRAM problem. >> >> The network boot system is just crazy in my view and I think Apple will soon revert to using locally available boot technologies because I think our problem will be far from unique. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 2 Aug 2011, at 14:24, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote: >> >> Lynn, >> >> Try doing a PRAM reset, I have in recent years thought that the PRAM reset was essentially a non-function, but I remember reading on another list that this brought a dead Lion machine back to life. >> >> >> Let us know how it goes. >> >> Jonathan >> >> Jonathan C. Cohn >> joncohn at cox.net >> >> >> >> Jonathan C. Cohn >> joncohn at cox.net >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From d.griffith at btinternet.com Tue Aug 2 16:31:13 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 16:31:13 +0100 Subject: Windows on the |Mac Message-ID: <0663F65B351542E999C5AC62D676C85A@6ffd52c138504d6> I have just taken the plunge and ordered my I-Mac and I am a lot poorer now! I decided to max on a second 2 TB hard drive and a solid state primary drive. I went for 8 GB ram but the 16 Gb option, which I would have liked was just too expensive. I have also ordered a copy of windows 7 as there are clearly some utilities from windows that I will need to retain access for. I know that I can set up Boot camp to allow an boot into windows. However I also intend to purchase VM Fusion which I understand is the only accessible way of running a windows session within a Mac session. Does anybody know if VM fusion will be able to pick up the windows install created with Boot camp or will I need to install yet another installation of windows. I need to know as I understand I will need to arrange for sighted help for the process of installing windows and potentially I may have to do this twice. Regards David Griffith __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6344 (20110802) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 16:36:17 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 16:36:17 +0100 Subject: Just to be clear on startup options Message-ID: <64B1A65E-E866-475C-8B50-9479344C84F9@mac-access.net> Hello everybody In the Mac Mini manual, it states on page 52 that, in order to restart or reset the machine (I forget the proper name) you must hold down the Command (X), P & R keys. Does the (X) mean the X key as well? Gordon says not and I don't think so; but I'd like to be sure. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 16:38:21 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 16:38:21 +0100 Subject: apple care is it worth the money? In-Reply-To: <95B8ABBD-2C5E-4DE3-832C-D5B8A2FA75CD@mac-access.net> References: <95B8ABBD-2C5E-4DE3-832C-D5B8A2FA75CD@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Lyn Thank you for your input. I am getting positive reaction so it seems that it may have been a worthwhile investment. Lynne On 2 Aug 2011, at 16:19, Lyn & Twinny wrote: Gordon & Lynn Well I really think Apple care is definitely worth the money. I was really happy to have the Apple care protection last year when my white mac book gave up the ghost after only 10 months of its purchase. Thanks to the Apple care protection, I got a brand new mac and that was a mac book pro. I was sent a check and I was able to buy a new mac book pro. I certainly do not regret spending the extra money on Apple care honestly. From rattail4 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 16:40:11 2011 From: rattail4 at gmail.com (mike) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 11:40:11 -0400 Subject: Windows on the |Mac In-Reply-To: <0663F65B351542E999C5AC62D676C85A@6ffd52c138504d6> References: <0663F65B351542E999C5AC62D676C85A@6ffd52c138504d6> Message-ID: <9CC9262AB7E04810B59C42E9D85ED05D@mquadPC> -----------------------------with fusion it can pick up a bootcamp partition with no problems, looks like it copies it over so if you have windows set in bootcamp already the way you want it you should be pretty good to go. you'll need help installing the VMWare tools, but after that it goes along very easily--------------------- From: "David Griffith" Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:31 To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" Subject: Windows on the |Mac > I have just taken the plunge and ordered my I-Mac and I am a lot poorer > now! > I decided to max on a second 2 TB hard drive and a solid state primary > drive. I went for 8 GB ram but the 16 Gb option, which I would have liked > was just too expensive. > I have also ordered a copy of windows 7 as there are clearly some > utilities > from windows that I will need to retain access for. > I know that I can set up Boot camp to allow an boot into windows. > However I also intend to purchase VM Fusion which I understand is the only > accessible way of running a windows session within a Mac session. > Does anybody know if VM fusion will be able to pick up the windows install > created with Boot camp or will I need to install yet another installation > of > windows. I need to know as I understand I will need to arrange for sighted > help for the process of installing windows and potentially I may have to > do > this twice. > Regards > > David Griffith > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature > database 6344 (20110802) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 16:40:17 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 16:40:17 +0100 Subject: A suggestion for the dead server In-Reply-To: <9F1BA163-3196-4BD4-9EF0-C747F85A2A0F@speedpost.net> References: <8DAC19C4-242E-4D10-B5FA-4DF49A8FF540@speedpost.net> <75C888E2-5CB5-4165-843B-4FB9AB27C225@mac-access.net> <9F1BA163-3196-4BD4-9EF0-C747F85A2A0F@speedpost.net> Message-ID: Helo Zachary No, you're misunderstanding me. What I'm saying is that the download is working so I doubt that a PAM reset would make much difference. I will try it though. Lynne On 2 Aug 2011, at 16:28, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Lynn, I'm surprised. The PRAM reset should not in any way initiate a recovery download, as that's not the purpose of that command. cmd-option-r will do this, but that's the recovery command, which is distinct from PRAM reset. From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 16:42:06 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 16:42:06 +0100 Subject: Windows on the |Mac In-Reply-To: <0663F65B351542E999C5AC62D676C85A@6ffd52c138504d6> References: <0663F65B351542E999C5AC62D676C85A@6ffd52c138504d6> Message-ID: <44CCA9AC-B925-4F47-AAD6-B597277F8684@mac-access.net> David Just a quick note but if you plan to use Fusion I suggest you don't bother with Boot Camp. Lynne On 2 Aug 2011, at 16:31, David Griffith wrote: I have just taken the plunge and ordered my I-Mac and I am a lot poorer now! I decided to max on a second 2 TB hard drive and a solid state primary drive. I went for 8 GB ram but the 16 Gb option, which I would have liked was just too expensive. I have also ordered a copy of windows 7 as there are clearly some utilities from windows that I will need to retain access for. I know that I can set up Boot camp to allow an boot into windows. However I also intend to purchase VM Fusion which I understand is the only accessible way of running a windows session within a Mac session. Does anybody know if VM fusion will be able to pick up the windows install created with Boot camp or will I need to install yet another installation of windows. I need to know as I understand I will need to arrange for sighted help for the process of installing windows and potentially I may have to do this twice. Regards David Griffith __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6344 (20110802) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From zkline at speedpost.net Tue Aug 2 16:44:31 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:44:31 -0700 Subject: Windows on the |Mac In-Reply-To: <9CC9262AB7E04810B59C42E9D85ED05D@mquadPC> References: <0663F65B351542E999C5AC62D676C85A@6ffd52c138504d6> <9CC9262AB7E04810B59C42E9D85ED05D@mquadPC> Message-ID: Hi, As an alternative, I myself have had luck with VmWare alone. Bootcamp can be used, but it isn't necessary. In fact, with Fusion you can do an independent install of Windows 7 without sighted help, which is yet another point in its favor. I recommend you reconsider Bootcamp. Best, Zack. On Aug 2, 2011, at 8:40 AM, mike wrote: > > > -----------------------------with fusion it can pick up a bootcamp partition with no problems, looks like it copies it over so if you have windows set in bootcamp already the way you want it you should be pretty good to go. you'll need help installing the VMWare tools, but after that it goes along very easily--------------------- > From: "David Griffith" > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:31 > To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" > Subject: Windows on the |Mac > >> I have just taken the plunge and ordered my I-Mac and I am a lot poorer now! >> I decided to max on a second 2 TB hard drive and a solid state primary >> drive. I went for 8 GB ram but the 16 Gb option, which I would have liked >> was just too expensive. >> I have also ordered a copy of windows 7 as there are clearly some utilities >> from windows that I will need to retain access for. >> I know that I can set up Boot camp to allow an boot into windows. >> However I also intend to purchase VM Fusion which I understand is the only >> accessible way of running a windows session within a Mac session. >> Does anybody know if VM fusion will be able to pick up the windows install >> created with Boot camp or will I need to install yet another installation of >> windows. I need to know as I understand I will need to arrange for sighted >> help for the process of installing windows and potentially I may have to do >> this twice. >> Regards >> >> David Griffith >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >> database 6344 (20110802) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From d.griffith at btinternet.com Tue Aug 2 16:46:08 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 16:46:08 +0100 Subject: Windows on the Mac In-Reply-To: <9CC9262AB7E04810B59C42E9D85ED05D@mquadPC> References: <0663F65B351542E999C5AC62D676C85A@6ffd52c138504d6> <9CC9262AB7E04810B59C42E9D85ED05D@mquadPC> Message-ID: <2A0AB806CC294A0E932266B1DCCC8F57@6ffd52c138504d6> Many thanks. This makes life a lot easier. I was looking for a source in the UK to purchase VM fusion from on Google but the partner locator on the VM Fusion site is incomprehensible. I would prefer to buy from a UK stockist if possible rather than just download just so I can ring them if necessary. Does anybody know a UK supplier of VM fusion? Regards David Griffith -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of mike Sent: Tuesday, 02 August 2011 16:40 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Windows on the |Mac -----------------------------with fusion it can pick up a bootcamp partition with no problems, looks like it copies it over so if you have windows set in bootcamp already the way you want it you should be pretty good to go. you'll need help installing the VMWare tools, but after that it goes along very easily--------------------- From: "David Griffith" Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:31 To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" Subject: Windows on the |Mac > I have just taken the plunge and ordered my I-Mac and I am a lot poorer > now! > I decided to max on a second 2 TB hard drive and a solid state primary > drive. I went for 8 GB ram but the 16 Gb option, which I would have liked > was just too expensive. > I have also ordered a copy of windows 7 as there are clearly some > utilities > from windows that I will need to retain access for. > I know that I can set up Boot camp to allow an boot into windows. > However I also intend to purchase VM Fusion which I understand is the only > accessible way of running a windows session within a Mac session. > Does anybody know if VM fusion will be able to pick up the windows install > created with Boot camp or will I need to install yet another installation > of > windows. I need to know as I understand I will need to arrange for sighted > help for the process of installing windows and potentially I may have to > do > this twice. > Regards > > David Griffith > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature > database 6344 (20110802) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6344 (20110802) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6344 (20110802) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6344 (20110802) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From motten53 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 16:54:58 2011 From: motten53 at gmail.com (Mary Otten) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 08:54:58 -0700 Subject: busy In-Reply-To: References: <4A9DC284-FC87-4CAE-8D74-F7BD738CC7FC@vodafoneemail.co.uk> Message-ID: The fix for the "busy" problem would be to roll back to the earlier version of Safari, which did not have that problem. How might one do that? Is it even possible? Mary Mary Otten motten53 at gmail.com From tecraig at earthlink.net Tue Aug 2 17:02:04 2011 From: tecraig at earthlink.net (Tommy Craig) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 11:02:04 -0500 Subject: Windows on the |Mac In-Reply-To: <0663F65B351542E999C5AC62D676C85A@6ffd52c138504d6> Message-ID: <63D9CC50D3394665BA777F09C67B6A20@adaptecd1> Hi David, Yes fussion can use the bootcamp partition. In my opinion this is the way to go. By doing this you have the option of booting into the native windows bootcamp partition which gives you all of the resources such as memory just as if you are running a pc. You can also use the virtual machine in OS X which gives you a lot of flexibility. I've been running this configuration ever since I got my macbook pro and I have had no problems with it. It works great. Tommy -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:31 AM To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' Subject: Windows on the |Mac I have just taken the plunge and ordered my I-Mac and I am a lot poorer now! I decided to max on a second 2 TB hard drive and a solid state primary drive. I went for 8 GB ram but the 16 Gb option, which I would have liked was just too expensive. I have also ordered a copy of windows 7 as there are clearly some utilities from windows that I will need to retain access for. I know that I can set up Boot camp to allow an boot into windows. However I also intend to purchase VM Fusion which I understand is the only accessible way of running a windows session within a Mac session. Does anybody know if VM fusion will be able to pick up the windows install created with Boot camp or will I need to install yet another installation of windows. I need to know as I understand I will need to arrange for sighted help for the process of installing windows and potentially I may have to do this twice. Regards David Griffith __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6344 (20110802) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From motten53 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 17:04:04 2011 From: motten53 at gmail.com (Mary Otten) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 09:04:04 -0700 Subject: busy In-Reply-To: <577CC922-74BC-416C-B292-2D72F588A4CF@nc.rr.com> References: <4A9DC284-FC87-4CAE-8D74-F7BD738CC7FC@vodafoneemail.co.uk> <577CC922-74BC-416C-B292-2D72F588A4CF@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <23DC3A56-8124-4C9B-9310-5A73E64714D9@gmail.com> For me, the busy, busy, means that I will not surf the web on the Mac unless I just want to look at something quick, because moving around among any more than about 3 pages is sure to result in the "busy" problem. I don't have time to waste sitting and listening to endless "busy", so it is back to Windows for serious web surfing until I can find a way to roll back to the old Safari. I guarantee you that the average sighted person would not put up with this, would get a new browser immediately and go on about her business. So I hope everybody experiencing this problem is reporting to apple accessibility. Mary Mary Otten motten53 at gmail.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 17:17:10 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 09:17:10 -0700 Subject: busy In-Reply-To: <577CC922-74BC-416C-B292-2D72F588A4CF@nc.rr.com> References: <4A9DC284-FC87-4CAE-8D74-F7BD738CC7FC@vodafoneemail.co.uk> <577CC922-74BC-416C-B292-2D72F588A4CF@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: Actually webkit fixed it last night. I'm using it with success so you guys will, when ever apple feels like it get an update to safari that will fix it. It has something to do with java and there were 2 bugs on the webkit bug tracker about it. Take care. On Aug 2, 2011, at 5:43 AM, Tracy Duffy wrote: > It didn't start for me until I updated software a week or two ago and the update was for safari. Could be coincidence, but doesn't seem likely. Now I get it a lot and it's very annoying. > > Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. > tracyduffy at nc.rr.com > > > > > On Aug 2, 2011, at 5:09 AM, Ian McNamara wrote: > >> Yep it happens all the time i think it's just something you have to live with although i hope that one day apple do find a fix to it because it is very anoying. >> >> Ian McNamara >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 17:19:30 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 09:19:30 -0700 Subject: Just to be clear on startup options In-Reply-To: <64B1A65E-E866-475C-8B50-9479344C84F9@mac-access.net> References: <64B1A65E-E866-475C-8B50-9479344C84F9@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I believe so.. The keystroke is similar to the reset on the macbook pros. Take care. On Aug 2, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > In the Mac Mini manual, it states on page 52 that, in order to restart or reset the machine (I forget the proper name) you must hold down the Command (X), P & R keys. Does the (X) mean the X key as well? Gordon says not and I don't think so; but I'd like to be sure. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Tue Aug 2 17:21:18 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:21:18 -0300 Subject: Enabling the FTP service in Lion Server. Message-ID: <1486EFB949C54F2A8C4E484EC65A1C93@CNIBnotebook> For those who are interested: It is possible to enable the FTP service in Lion. For anyone who is interested, I can send them the information that I received from the net. Cheers. From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 17:21:55 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:21:55 +0100 Subject: VMWAre Fusion In-Reply-To: <2A0AB806CC294A0E932266B1DCCC8F57@6ffd52c138504d6> References: <0663F65B351542E999C5AC62D676C85A@6ffd52c138504d6> <9CC9262AB7E04810B59C42E9D85ED05D@mquadPC> <2A0AB806CC294A0E932266B1DCCC8F57@6ffd52c138504d6> Message-ID: <1057BB0A-53F3-4497-AD7E-6CDCC90C1C51@mac-access.net> Hello David You can buy it from the Apple store I believe. Lynne On 2 Aug 2011, at 16:46, David Griffith wrote: Many thanks. This makes life a lot easier. I was looking for a source in the UK to purchase VM fusion from on Google but the partner locator on the VM Fusion site is incomprehensible. I would prefer to buy from a UK stockist if possible rather than just download just so I can ring them if necessary. Does anybody know a UK supplier of VM fusion? From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 17:23:47 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:23:47 +0100 Subject: Enabling the FTP service in Lion Server. In-Reply-To: <1486EFB949C54F2A8C4E484EC65A1C93@CNIBnotebook> References: <1486EFB949C54F2A8C4E484EC65A1C93@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <53C1B6B0-6225-4EE7-9C60-06E2C2901484@mac-access.net> hello Jim You can do this using server.app Lynne On 2 Aug 2011, at 17:21, Jim Noseworthy wrote: For those who are interested: It is possible to enable the FTP service in Lion. For anyone who is interested, I can send them the information that I received from the net. Cheers. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Tue Aug 2 17:26:58 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:26:58 -0300 Subject: Enabling the FTP service in Lion Server. References: <1486EFB949C54F2A8C4E484EC65A1C93@CNIBnotebook> <53C1B6B0-6225-4EE7-9C60-06E2C2901484@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4719B2D05FAB4140A36D92BDDE95EDF8@CNIBnotebook> AwesomenessCoolness. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Enabling the FTP service in Lion Server. > hello Jim > > You can do this using server.app > > Lynne > > On 2 Aug 2011, at 17:21, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > For those who are interested: > > It is possible to enable the FTP service in Lion. For anyone who is > interested, I can send them the information that I received from the net. > > Cheers. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 17:27:04 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:27:04 +0100 Subject: Server Is Alive Again! Message-ID: <2FD05E7D-472D-4F88-8FB2-34B0EFB51F70@mac-access.net> Hello everybody OK, Gordon came up with a solution that has fixed our server. It seems that the HDD was corrupted and because it was the primary HDD0 it wouldn't boot. So, Gordon plugged the machine into another Mac and booted it into target mode. Actually that's how he discovered the problem. So he re-partitioned the drive from the source machine, disconnected the power and the target lead and then I restarted the machine. Guess what! The installer started to work. So now we are in the process of rebuilding our server. I'm delighted, it means the machine is alright. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 17:28:24 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:28:24 +0100 Subject: Enabling the FTP service in Lion Server. In-Reply-To: <4719B2D05FAB4140A36D92BDDE95EDF8@CNIBnotebook> References: <1486EFB949C54F2A8C4E484EC65A1C93@CNIBnotebook> <53C1B6B0-6225-4EE7-9C60-06E2C2901484@mac-access.net> <4719B2D05FAB4140A36D92BDDE95EDF8@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <5C91845A-9AE9-4DA4-8FBC-5A66CCC487B1@mac-access.net> Hello Jim Be mindful that the native FTP service is basic and requires that the user has a full user account on your Mac, which is tedious. Lynne On 2 Aug 2011, at 17:26, Jim Noseworthy wrote: AwesomenessCoolness. From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Tue Aug 2 17:28:42 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:28:42 -0300 Subject: Enabling the FTP service in Lion Server. References: <1486EFB949C54F2A8C4E484EC65A1C93@CNIBnotebook> <53C1B6B0-6225-4EE7-9C60-06E2C2901484@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <5D9B4D242EE048E3A6E68DEF5DE1DCE5@CNIBnotebook> Lynne: I was under the impression that FTP was not officially supported in Lion. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:23 PM Subject: Re: Enabling the FTP service in Lion Server. > hello Jim > > You can do this using server.app > > Lynne > > On 2 Aug 2011, at 17:21, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > For those who are interested: > > It is possible to enable the FTP service in Lion. For anyone who is > interested, I can send them the information that I received from the net. > > Cheers. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Tue Aug 2 17:30:24 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy Duffy) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 12:30:24 -0400 Subject: copy path? Message-ID: Anyone know how to use copy path for Mac? I used to use it in windows, but can't figure out how it works on Mac. I've downloaded the file and put it in applications. I don't know what to do now though. I don't see an option to use copy path in any of the menus when I have a file open in finder, which is where it's supposed to work. Thanks for any help anyone can offer. Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. tracyduffy at nc.rr.com From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 17:30:50 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:30:50 +0100 Subject: Enabling the FTP service in Lion Server. In-Reply-To: <5D9B4D242EE048E3A6E68DEF5DE1DCE5@CNIBnotebook> References: <1486EFB949C54F2A8C4E484EC65A1C93@CNIBnotebook> <53C1B6B0-6225-4EE7-9C60-06E2C2901484@mac-access.net> <5D9B4D242EE048E3A6E68DEF5DE1DCE5@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: Hello Jim Yes, it is supported. It's print service that isn't supported. FTP is a basic Internet service and without it no server would be complete. I know I'm right because Gordon has just been reading the advanced admin documentation on the subject. But support is poor because it's tied to Mac users and accounts. Lynne On 2 Aug 2011, at 17:28, Jim Noseworthy wrote: Lynne: I was under the impression that FTP was not officially supported in Lion. From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 17:32:03 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 09:32:03 -0700 Subject: Enabling the FTP service in Lion Server. In-Reply-To: <5D9B4D242EE048E3A6E68DEF5DE1DCE5@CNIBnotebook> References: <1486EFB949C54F2A8C4E484EC65A1C93@CNIBnotebook> <53C1B6B0-6225-4EE7-9C60-06E2C2901484@mac-access.net> <5D9B4D242EE048E3A6E68DEF5DE1DCE5@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <4BB9BEA3-AD31-4360-9411-70396AB260D4@gmail.com> Yeah I was aware that it is only supported in the server ap which costs an editional $50. but if you know how to do it another way you can writ me off list as some how my person has to sftp in to get me some stuff. it works but it is tedious. Take care. On Aug 2, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Lynne: > > I was under the impression that FTP was not officially supported in Lion. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 1:23 PM > Subject: Re: Enabling the FTP service in Lion Server. > > >> hello Jim >> >> You can do this using server.app >> >> Lynne >> >> On 2 Aug 2011, at 17:21, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >> >> For those who are interested: >> >> It is possible to enable the FTP service in Lion. For anyone who is interested, I can send them the information that I received from the net. >> >> Cheers. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 17:32:27 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:32:27 +0100 Subject: copy path? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C625165-8872-46F7-AC38-6A6C3A9438EE@mac-access.net> Hello Tracy In order to help you, could you provide the link to the application so that users can try it and give you a response? Thanks. On 2 Aug 2011, at 17:30, Tracy Duffy wrote: Anyone know how to use copy path for Mac? I used to use it in windows, but can't figure out how it works on Mac. I've downloaded the file and put it in applications. I don't know what to do now though. I don't see an option to use copy path in any of the menus when I have a file open in finder, which is where it's supposed to work. Thanks for any help anyone can offer. From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 17:33:50 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 17:33:50 +0100 Subject: Enabling the FTP service in Lion Server. In-Reply-To: <4BB9BEA3-AD31-4360-9411-70396AB260D4@gmail.com> References: <1486EFB949C54F2A8C4E484EC65A1C93@CNIBnotebook> <53C1B6B0-6225-4EE7-9C60-06E2C2901484@mac-access.net> <5D9B4D242EE048E3A6E68DEF5DE1DCE5@CNIBnotebook> <4BB9BEA3-AD31-4360-9411-70396AB260D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <84AD09E1-6609-4C1A-992F-FD5BFD69640C@mac-access.net> Hello Sarah Jim is asking about the server version of the OS which he has. On 2 Aug 2011, at 17:32, Sarah Alawami wrote: Yeah I was aware that it is only supported in the server ap which costs an editional $50. but if you know how to do it another way you can writ me off list as some how my person has to sftp in to get me some stuff. it works but it is tedious. From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 17:55:59 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 09:55:59 -0700 Subject: Enabling the FTP service in Lion Server. In-Reply-To: <84AD09E1-6609-4C1A-992F-FD5BFD69640C@mac-access.net> References: <1486EFB949C54F2A8C4E484EC65A1C93@CNIBnotebook> <53C1B6B0-6225-4EE7-9C60-06E2C2901484@mac-access.net> <5D9B4D242EE048E3A6E68DEF5DE1DCE5@CNIBnotebook> <4BB9BEA3-AD31-4360-9411-70396AB260D4@gmail.com> <84AD09E1-6609-4C1A-992F-FD5BFD69640C@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <49FB063D-1985-4712-9F78-3113ABF4EC1C@gmail.com> Ah oops? sorry about that. I misread the subject line lol! Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Aug 2, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > Jim is asking about the server version of the OS which he has. > > On 2 Aug 2011, at 17:32, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Yeah I was aware that it is only supported in the server ap which costs an editional $50. but if you know how to do it another way you can writ me off list as some how my person has to sftp in to get me some stuff. it works but it is tedious. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Tue Aug 2 17:56:28 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy Duffy) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 12:56:28 -0400 Subject: copy path? In-Reply-To: <2C625165-8872-46F7-AC38-6A6C3A9438EE@mac-access.net> References: <2C625165-8872-46F7-AC38-6A6C3A9438EE@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I just searched for it again and here's the link I copied off of my search results. www.macupdate.com/app/mac/31440/copypath Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. tracyduffy at nc.rr.com On Aug 2, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Tracy > > In order to help you, could you provide the link to the application so that users can try it and give you a response? > > Thanks. > > On 2 Aug 2011, at 17:30, Tracy Duffy wrote: > > Anyone know how to use copy path for Mac? I used to use it in windows, but can't figure out how it works on Mac. I've downloaded the file and put it in applications. I don't know what to do now though. I don't see an option to use copy path in any of the menus when I have a file open in finder, which is where it's supposed to work. Thanks for any help anyone can offer. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Tue Aug 2 18:30:50 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 14:30:50 -0300 Subject: FTP Server software. Message-ID: Hi Gang: Any recommendations for a Good FTP server that works well with voiceover? Thanks. From chris at mysticplace.info Tue Aug 2 18:33:48 2011 From: chris at mysticplace.info (Chris G) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 13:33:48 -0400 Subject: FTP Server software. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110802133348.F7DC.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Hi, You can try wing ftp server from www.wftpserver.com The admin is web based so it works fine with VoiceOver. I am currently running it on my windows machine. It is cross platform. On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 14:30:50 -0300 "Jim Noseworthy" wrote: > Hi Gang: > > Any recommendations for a Good FTP server that works well with voiceover? > > Thanks. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > - The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. http://www.mysticplace.info From zkline at speedpost.net Tue Aug 2 19:31:13 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 11:31:13 -0700 Subject: Bridge Baron for Mac Message-ID: <89ECBF7E-494F-43E4-9860-5D417643E1AA@speedpost.net> Hi All, I was wondering if anybody had contacted the developer of this bridge-playing software about making its mac version accessible to VoiceOver? The Windows version is quite useable with Jaws and Window-Eyes, and it would be lovely to have another accessible game playable on the mac without need for FUsion. THoughts? I know Paul Hopewell, who was instrumental in making the Windows version playable, is on this list. THanks for any info, Zack. From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Tue Aug 2 19:35:10 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:35:10 +0100 Subject: Accessing the library folder on Lion Message-ID: <19AF45B5-E4AF-4797-A6C0-062783B671D0@hopewell.org.uk> Hello, Have any of you figured out a way to make the folder user/library visible on Lion in the same way as it is on Snow Leopard? On Lion this folder is hidden. YOu can access it in Finder by using the go to menu but I have not found a way to make it visible in the dialogue for opening and saving files. Being able to directly access this folder on Snow Leopard was very useful. Best wishes.... paul Hopewell From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Aug 2 19:37:42 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:37:42 +0100 Subject: Bridge Baron for Mac In-Reply-To: <89ECBF7E-494F-43E4-9860-5D417643E1AA@speedpost.net> References: <89ECBF7E-494F-43E4-9860-5D417643E1AA@speedpost.net> Message-ID: Hi Zak/Paul, Could either of you please contact me offlist about bridge for the blind? thanks very much, and apologies to list mods for posting this. On 2 Aug 2011, at 19:31, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi All, > I was wondering if anybody had contacted the developer of this bridge-playing software about making its mac version accessible to VoiceOver? The Windows version is quite useable with Jaws and Window-Eyes, and it would be lovely to have another accessible game playable on the mac without need for FUsion. > THoughts? I know Paul Hopewell, who was instrumental in making the Windows version playable, is on this list. > THanks for any info, > Zack. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From zkline at speedpost.net Tue Aug 2 19:40:31 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 11:40:31 -0700 Subject: Accessing the library folder on Lion In-Reply-To: <19AF45B5-E4AF-4797-A6C0-062783B671D0@hopewell.org.uk> References: <19AF45B5-E4AF-4797-A6C0-062783B671D0@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <2288FC0D-6C95-4AD5-8029-AA8EB027561D@speedpost.net> Hi Paul, Indeed, you can do this with a number of methods, the one I used was a Terminal command. Go into the Terminal and give the command "chflags nohidden ~/Library" This clears the "hidden" flag on the folder so it and its contents are visible in Finder again as normal. HOpe this helps, Zack. On Aug 2, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello, > Have any of you figured out a way to make the folder user/library visible on Lion in the same way as it is on Snow Leopard? On Lion this folder is hidden. YOu can access it in Finder by using the go to menu but I have not found a way to make it visible in the dialogue for opening and saving files. Being able to directly access this folder on Snow Leopard was very useful. > Best wishes.... > > paul Hopewell > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 19:48:03 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:48:03 +0100 Subject: downloads window Message-ID: <88D8C375-9DA2-439C-A911-05C3E1FDB870@gmail.com> hi why in lion can I not see a downloads window now in safari? From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Aug 2 20:00:03 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 20:00:03 +0100 Subject: downloads window In-Reply-To: <88D8C375-9DA2-439C-A911-05C3E1FDB870@gmail.com> References: <88D8C375-9DA2-439C-A911-05C3E1FDB870@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9F499C90-0033-4131-A2DB-0CB22C36180E@blueyonder.co.uk> It is now incorporated into the toolbar. Interact with the tool bar, you will find it to the right of the google search field. On 2 Aug 2011, at 19:48, william lomas wrote: > hi why in lion can I not see a downloads window now in safari? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 20:28:06 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 12:28:06 -0700 Subject: downloads window In-Reply-To: <9F499C90-0033-4131-A2DB-0CB22C36180E@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <88D8C375-9DA2-439C-A911-05C3E1FDB870@gmail.com> <9F499C90-0033-4131-A2DB-0CB22C36180E@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <4A561142-D9E8-48C3-8B44-CC83F15D4437@gmail.com> a quicker way is to big cmd option f and vo right. There is an apple script on how to change this but since I lost the ability to read my rss feeds andy have to resub I'll find it probably in a few months lol! On Aug 2, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > It is now incorporated into the toolbar. Interact with the tool bar, you will find it to the right of the google search field. > On 2 Aug 2011, at 19:48, william lomas wrote: > >> hi why in lion can I not see a downloads window now in safari? >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 20:29:15 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 12:29:15 -0700 Subject: Accessing the library folder on Lion In-Reply-To: <19AF45B5-E4AF-4797-A6C0-062783B671D0@hopewell.org.uk> References: <19AF45B5-E4AF-4797-A6C0-062783B671D0@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <040BF9A3-2BFA-4C97-86D0-5E12E9F9F05F@gmail.com> Yeah. read this. Unhide Library Folder in Mac OS X 10.7 Lion - Se7enSins Forums Take care and hope that helps. On Aug 2, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello, > Have any of you figured out a way to make the folder user/library visible on Lion in the same way as it is on Snow Leopard? On Lion this folder is hidden. YOu can access it in Finder by using the go to menu but I have not found a way to make it visible in the dialogue for opening and saving files. Being able to directly access this folder on Snow Leopard was very useful. > Best wishes.... > > paul Hopewell > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Tue Aug 2 20:52:41 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 20:52:41 +0100 Subject: Accessing the library folder on Lion In-Reply-To: <2288FC0D-6C95-4AD5-8029-AA8EB027561D@speedpost.net> References: <19AF45B5-E4AF-4797-A6C0-062783B671D0@hopewell.org.uk> <2288FC0D-6C95-4AD5-8029-AA8EB027561D@speedpost.net> Message-ID: Hi Zack, Many thanks for that. Yes it did the trick. I must read up more about these Terminal commands... Best wishes.... Paul Hopewell On 2 Aug 2011, at 19:40, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Paul, > Indeed, you can do this with a number of methods, the one I used was a Terminal command. Go into the Terminal and give the command "chflags nohidden ~/Library" This clears the "hidden" flag on the folder so it and its contents are visible in Finder again as normal. > HOpe this helps, > Zack. > On Aug 2, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > >> Hello, >> Have any of you figured out a way to make the folder user/library visible on Lion in the same way as it is on Snow Leopard? On Lion this folder is hidden. YOu can access it in Finder by using the go to menu but I have not found a way to make it visible in the dialogue for opening and saving files. Being able to directly access this folder on Snow Leopard was very useful. >> Best wishes.... >> >> paul Hopewell >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Tue Aug 2 21:18:08 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 10:18:08 -1000 Subject: ePub and writing In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F5831A6-8FAC-46E2-A11F-022C7C4CE3B3@mac.com> Hello Anne, Chris, and Others, There was a recent discussion of tools for ePub creation by Liza Daly at the Threepress Consulting Blog. She works on ePub standards (both current and future) and has been involved with Bookworm (O'Reilly's web based ePub reader -- DRM free only) and Ibis reader (another web based reader which you can use on iOS devices, as well, but through the Safari browser). The basic summary is that for regular computer users, there are two main avenues for ePub creation on the Mac: Pages and Scrivener. The subject was posed as a question with a 2-part answer in her June blog post: "Can an author create an EPUB file using normal tools? Part 1: Pages": The lead-in sentence for the answer was "Yes, but it may require a Mac." The second installment blog post dealt with "Part2: Scrivener": Note that the articles refer to some screenshot images that illustrate options, but there is discussion in the text about abilities to handle tables, lists, and images. Both these articles deal with detailed examples of xml code. However, these may be of interest for the general overview of what's available as authoring tools to generate ePub. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Jul 30, 2011, at 20:26, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Chris, > > I use Pages to create epub documents. It's one of the export options. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 31 Jul 2011, at 03:07, Chris Moore wrote: > >> All, >> >> FOr those of you who are not on the Mac Visionaries list, Mark Taylor (the mod) has just posted to say that Scrivener has just been updated with improved accessibility. sounds like a marvelous app that I will definitely explore. I do >> enjoy browsing the Mac App Store. >> >> Mark also goes on to say "To create eBooks, I use a program called Storyist. I believe the cost is >> about $30 and it is not yet available on the Mac App Store but the website >> is: www.storyist.com The programmer has added complete VoiceOver >> accessibility for us." >> >> Sorry to anyone if they have seen this post already on the other list, but I know a number on this list would be interested in the information. >> >> Chris From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 21:31:29 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:31:29 -0700 Subject: Accessing the library folder on Lion In-Reply-To: References: <19AF45B5-E4AF-4797-A6C0-062783B671D0@hopewell.org.uk> <2288FC0D-6C95-4AD5-8029-AA8EB027561D@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <6AAF3C53-0B51-404C-A04D-2929859D9EC2@gmail.com> and if I want to hide it again? what would the command be? I used a different one according to the article I read. Take care. On Aug 2, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hi Zack, > Many thanks for that. Yes it did the trick. I must read up more about these Terminal commands... > Best wishes.... > > Paul Hopewell > > On 2 Aug 2011, at 19:40, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Paul, >> Indeed, you can do this with a number of methods, the one I used was a Terminal command. Go into the Terminal and give the command "chflags nohidden ~/Library" This clears the "hidden" flag on the folder so it and its contents are visible in Finder again as normal. >> HOpe this helps, >> Zack. >> On Aug 2, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> Have any of you figured out a way to make the folder user/library visible on Lion in the same way as it is on Snow Leopard? On Lion this folder is hidden. YOu can access it in Finder by using the go to menu but I have not found a way to make it visible in the dialogue for opening and saving files. Being able to directly access this folder on Snow Leopard was very useful. >>> Best wishes.... >>> >>> paul Hopewell >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From zkline at speedpost.net Tue Aug 2 21:33:02 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 13:33:02 -0700 Subject: Accessing the library folder on Lion In-Reply-To: <6AAF3C53-0B51-404C-A04D-2929859D9EC2@gmail.com> References: <19AF45B5-E4AF-4797-A6C0-062783B671D0@hopewell.org.uk> <2288FC0D-6C95-4AD5-8029-AA8EB027561D@speedpost.net> <6AAF3C53-0B51-404C-A04D-2929859D9EC2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sarah, Just substitute "Hidden" for "nohidden" in the command I previously gave. Best, Zack. On Aug 2, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > and if I want to hide it again? what would the command be? I used a different one according to the article I read. > > Take care. > On Aug 2, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > >> Hi Zack, >> Many thanks for that. Yes it did the trick. I must read up more about these Terminal commands... >> Best wishes.... >> >> Paul Hopewell >> >> On 2 Aug 2011, at 19:40, Zachary Kline wrote: >> >>> Hi Paul, >>> Indeed, you can do this with a number of methods, the one I used was a Terminal command. Go into the Terminal and give the command "chflags nohidden ~/Library" This clears the "hidden" flag on the folder so it and its contents are visible in Finder again as normal. >>> HOpe this helps, >>> Zack. >>> On Aug 2, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> Have any of you figured out a way to make the folder user/library visible on Lion in the same way as it is on Snow Leopard? On Lion this folder is hidden. YOu can access it in Finder by using the go to menu but I have not found a way to make it visible in the dialogue for opening and saving files. Being able to directly access this folder on Snow Leopard was very useful. >>>> Best wishes.... >>>> >>>> paul Hopewell >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lmumford at uga.edu Tue Aug 2 21:43:07 2011 From: lmumford at uga.edu (Linda Mumford) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 20:43:07 +0000 Subject: Question about Mac-access subject headings identifying the email topics-- is there a new rule? In-Reply-To: <00C3C911-5ADB-4E74-ACD6-43E09D8F54C4@mac-access.net> References: <00C3C911-5ADB-4E74-ACD6-43E09D8F54C4@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <12DEC7CF-EAA1-4126-BC59-8FC9154AB8EC@uga.edu> Hello everyone, Will someone please clarify this for me? I thought their was a list rule that the subject heading had to identify what the email message was about- not only for archiving purposes but also so that the list members could determine if the message might be of interest to them without having to open up the email to see what it was about. Yet, in the space of only a few days, I am finding subject headings that leave me clueless about the contents of the email.: Specifically, the following subject headings confuse me: Today: Well; that didn't take much breaking! On July 30: Humble Pie On July 29: Okay, it's official! Lynn is and idiot! So,have the list rules changed? From andre.nuno.soares at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 22:19:38 2011 From: andre.nuno.soares at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Nuno_Soares?=) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 22:19:38 +0100 Subject: downloads window In-Reply-To: <4A561142-D9E8-48C3-8B44-CC83F15D4437@gmail.com> References: <88D8C375-9DA2-439C-A911-05C3E1FDB870@gmail.com> <9F499C90-0033-4131-A2DB-0CB22C36180E@blueyonder.co.uk> <4A561142-D9E8-48C3-8B44-CC83F15D4437@gmail.com> Message-ID: <35AE8323-1028-4C04-A66E-7B49FF31E704@gmail.com> HelloSarah, You probably mean this script: http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/1949/restore-safaris-downloads-keyboard-shortcut HTH, Andr? On Aug 2, 2011, at 8:28 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > a quicker way is to big cmd option f and vo right. There is an apple script on how to change this but since I lost the ability to read my rss feeds andy have to resub I'll find it probably in a few months lol! > On Aug 2, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> It is now incorporated into the toolbar. Interact with the tool bar, you will find it to the right of the google search field. >> On 2 Aug 2011, at 19:48, william lomas wrote: >> >>> hi why in lion can I not see a downloads window now in safari? >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Tue Aug 2 22:34:30 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 22:34:30 +0100 Subject: Question about Mac-access subject headings identifying the email topics-- is there a new rule? In-Reply-To: <12DEC7CF-EAA1-4126-BC59-8FC9154AB8EC@uga.edu> References: <00C3C911-5ADB-4E74-ACD6-43E09D8F54C4@mac-access.net> <12DEC7CF-EAA1-4126-BC59-8FC9154AB8EC@uga.edu> Message-ID: <4ABCCB74-E5BB-42FC-9930-D3DB900892D5@mac-access.net> As far as I am aware Linda, you're quite right, but perhaps the list owners could clarify this please? TC :) James On 2 Aug 2011, at 21:43, Linda Mumford wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Will someone please clarify this for me? I thought their was a list rule that the subject heading had to identify what the email message was about- not only for archiving purposes but also so that the list members could determine if the message might be of interest to them without having to open up the email to see what it was about. Yet, in the space of only a few days, I am finding subject headings that leave me clueless about the contents of the email.: Specifically, the following subject headings confuse me: > Today: Well; that didn't take much breaking! > On July 30: Humble Pie > On July 29: Okay, it's official! Lynn is and idiot! > > So,have the list rules changed? > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 23:20:41 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 15:20:41 -0700 Subject: downloads window In-Reply-To: <35AE8323-1028-4C04-A66E-7B49FF31E704@gmail.com> References: <88D8C375-9DA2-439C-A911-05C3E1FDB870@gmail.com> <9F499C90-0033-4131-A2DB-0CB22C36180E@blueyonder.co.uk> <4A561142-D9E8-48C3-8B44-CC83F15D4437@gmail.com> <35AE8323-1028-4C04-A66E-7B49FF31E704@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7C4C6FC7-C26B-48ED-B564-1EA4EDA0CBFB@gmail.com> i think so. I'm still trying to clean up the mess I made but yeah ta'ts probably it. Take care and hope that helps. On Aug 2, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Andr? Nuno Soares wrote: > HelloSarah, > > You probably mean this script: > http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/1949/restore-safaris-downloads-keyboard-shortcut > > > HTH, > Andr? > On Aug 2, 2011, at 8:28 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> a quicker way is to big cmd option f and vo right. There is an apple script on how to change this but since I lost the ability to read my rss feeds andy have to resub I'll find it probably in a few months lol! >> On Aug 2, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> It is now incorporated into the toolbar. Interact with the tool bar, you will find it to the right of the google search field. >>> On 2 Aug 2011, at 19:48, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> hi why in lion can I not see a downloads window now in safari? >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Wed Aug 3 01:46:15 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:46:15 -0500 Subject: Windows on the |Mac In-Reply-To: <0663F65B351542E999C5AC62D676C85A@6ffd52c138504d6> References: <0663F65B351542E999C5AC62D676C85A@6ffd52c138504d6> Message-ID: <16A56485-C9A3-4D6D-B357-EBA3F0B15BE2@charter.net> Fusion will allow you to use your boot camp install as a virtual machine, although you will need sighted help to install windows with boot camp. Really, with the resources your system will have, I would just create a virtual machine in fusion, no need to even involve boot camp, you will have no problems at all running the mac and windows at the same time. On Aug 2, 2011, at 10:31 AM, David Griffith wrote: > I have just taken the plunge and ordered my I-Mac and I am a lot poorer now! > I decided to max on a second 2 TB hard drive and a solid state primary > drive. I went for 8 GB ram but the 16 Gb option, which I would have liked > was just too expensive. > I have also ordered a copy of windows 7 as there are clearly some utilities > from windows that I will need to retain access for. > I know that I can set up Boot camp to allow an boot into windows. > However I also intend to purchase VM Fusion which I understand is the only > accessible way of running a windows session within a Mac session. > Does anybody know if VM fusion will be able to pick up the windows install > created with Boot camp or will I need to install yet another installation of > windows. I need to know as I understand I will need to arrange for sighted > help for the process of installing windows and potentially I may have to do > this twice. > Regards > > David Griffith > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6344 (20110802) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Wed Aug 3 01:57:28 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:57:28 -0500 Subject: Accessing the library folder on Lion In-Reply-To: References: <19AF45B5-E4AF-4797-A6C0-062783B671D0@hopewell.org.uk> <2288FC0D-6C95-4AD5-8029-AA8EB027561D@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <683DD3C8-DFF2-4D67-9F09-EEA76F6E2B77@charter.net> Yes, I'm not sure why Apple chose to hide that folder, I could understand perhaps hiding the system library folder but not the user one. On Aug 2, 2011, at 2:52 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hi Zack, > Many thanks for that. Yes it did the trick. I must read up more about these Terminal commands... > Best wishes.... > > Paul Hopewell > > On 2 Aug 2011, at 19:40, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Paul, >> Indeed, you can do this with a number of methods, the one I used was a Terminal command. Go into the Terminal and give the command "chflags nohidden ~/Library" This clears the "hidden" flag on the folder so it and its contents are visible in Finder again as normal. >> HOpe this helps, >> Zack. >> On Aug 2, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> Have any of you figured out a way to make the folder user/library visible on Lion in the same way as it is on Snow Leopard? On Lion this folder is hidden. YOu can access it in Finder by using the go to menu but I have not found a way to make it visible in the dialogue for opening and saving files. Being able to directly access this folder on Snow Leopard was very useful. >>> Best wishes.... >>> >>> paul Hopewell >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 06:57:46 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 22:57:46 -0700 Subject: Migrate Time Machine backup to new Mac in Lion Message-ID: <17695F1E-F2C8-474E-8504-463781C6DB31@gmail.com> I could have used this! but here ya go! Migrate Time Machine backup to new Mac in Lion One of the unsung features of Lion is the ability to migrate a Time Machine backup from an old Mac to a new one. http://macw.us/nw8d7I From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 06:54:00 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 22:54:00 -0700 Subject: Adjust your locked iPhone's volume Message-ID: <76B19A7C-394D-4160-94BE-5CED77EAE24D@gmail.com> I would be very very careful when doing this trick! Adjust your locked iPhone's volume You can change the volume of your locked iPhone with a simple trick. http://macw.us/mPBAPz From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 09:19:35 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:19:35 +0100 Subject: Enabling the FTP service in Lion Server. In-Reply-To: <49FB063D-1985-4712-9F78-3113ABF4EC1C@gmail.com> References: <1486EFB949C54F2A8C4E484EC65A1C93@CNIBnotebook> <53C1B6B0-6225-4EE7-9C60-06E2C2901484@mac-access.net> <5D9B4D242EE048E3A6E68DEF5DE1DCE5@CNIBnotebook> <4BB9BEA3-AD31-4360-9411-70396AB260D4@gmail.com> <84AD09E1-6609-4C1A-992F-FD5BFD69640C@mac-access.net> <49FB063D-1985-4712-9F78-3113ABF4EC1C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello SArah No problem whatsoever. ;-) Lynne On 2 Aug 2011, at 17:55, Sarah Alawami wrote: Ah oops? sorry about that. I misread the subject line lol! From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 09:23:08 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:23:08 +0100 Subject: copy path? In-Reply-To: References: <2C625165-8872-46F7-AC38-6A6C3A9438EE@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Tracy I'm a little confused as to why you'd need this on the Mac to be honest. Unless I'm missing something, it is possible to copy entire folders and their sub-folders using the Finder. So what advantage does it give you? Lynne On 2 Aug 2011, at 17:56, Tracy Duffy wrote: I just searched for it again and here's the link I copied off of my search results. From mattchao at verizon.net Wed Aug 3 10:31:49 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 05:31:49 -0400 Subject: AppleCare; is It Worth the money? In-Reply-To: <90DEF085-368E-4748-B68B-955CA43D79C7@mac-access.net> References: <90DEF085-368E-4748-B68B-955CA43D79C7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0LPC00AC8IH7ZS00@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> I highly recommend it. In my case, having extended contracts/warranties was worth it, as I replaced a lot of equipment this way. Matthew Chao At 08:28 AM 8/2/2011, you wrote: >Hello everybody > >I just bought us an AppleCare Protection plan for our server >machine, before we knew that it is, by the looks of it, a brick. Are >these plans worth the money; or have I been conned again? I was >convinced by the sales people at Apple that I should do this for a >server machine. > >Lynne > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 6343 (20110802) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 10:33:22 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:33:22 +0100 Subject: FTP Server software. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hello Jim Are you looking for something that's freeware or commercial? Lynne On 2 Aug 2011, at 18:30, Jim Noseworthy wrote: Any recommendations for a Good FTP server that works well with voiceover? From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 10:40:10 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:40:10 +0100 Subject: downloads window In-Reply-To: <88D8C375-9DA2-439C-A911-05C3E1FDB870@gmail.com> References: <88D8C375-9DA2-439C-A911-05C3E1FDB870@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Will This has been discussed at length recently on list. May I suggest that in order to avoid a repeat discussion you check the list archive? Of course it's absolutely no problem discussing it again; I just thought that might help you get answers more quickly. Lynne On 2 Aug 2011, at 19:48, william lomas wrote: hi why in lion can I not see a downloads window now in safari? From support at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 10:44:25 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:44:25 +0100 Subject: Linda's Point Regarding Subject Lines In-Reply-To: <12DEC7CF-EAA1-4126-BC59-8FC9154AB8EC@uga.edu> References: <00C3C911-5ADB-4E74-ACD6-43E09D8F54C4@mac-access.net> <12DEC7CF-EAA1-4126-BC59-8FC9154AB8EC@uga.edu> Message-ID: <4F84FC63-2CFC-4F77-B4ED-F50881A0C3CF@mac-access.net> Linda You are correct, but despite numerous reminder we can't get people to cooperate all the time. We are trying, I assure you, but we have lives to live and a lot going on just now. But yet; it would be hugely helpful if people observe this request. Lynne On 2 Aug 2011, at 21:43, Linda Mumford wrote: Hello everyone, Will someone please clarify this for me? I thought their was a list rule that the subject heading had to identify what the email message was about- not only for archiving purposes but also so that the list members could determine if the message might be of interest to them without having to open up the email to see what it was about. Yet, in the space of only a few days, I am finding subject headings that leave me clueless about the contents of the email.: Specifically, the following subject headings confuse me: Today: Well; that didn't take much breaking! On July 30: Humble Pie On July 29: Okay, it's official! Lynn is and idiot! So,have the list rules changed? <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: ------------------------------ Gordon & Lynne Smith, Are you an iOS or Mac OS fan? If so, consider joining our vibrant community of fellow-enthusiasts. To join our forum, send a message to: with the word "subscribe" [no quotes] in the subject line of your message. Or else, visit: ------------------------------ From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 10:47:14 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:47:14 +0100 Subject: AppleCare; is It Worth the money? In-Reply-To: <0LPC00AC8IH7ZS00@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> References: <90DEF085-368E-4748-B68B-955CA43D79C7@mac-access.net> <0LPC00AC8IH7ZS00@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <2205AA9E-DF36-45E6-8E69-5D98DEAFA4EB@mac-access.net> Hello Matthew This seems to be the general consensus; so it looks as though I have spent money well on this occasion. Lynne On 3 Aug 2011, at 10:31, Matthew Chao wrote: I highly recommend it. In my case, having extended contracts/warranties was worth it, as I replaced a lot of equipment this way. From smur7241 at bigpond.net.au Wed Aug 3 11:07:04 2011 From: smur7241 at bigpond.net.au (Sean Murphy) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:07:04 +1000 Subject: downloads window In-Reply-To: <4A561142-D9E8-48C3-8B44-CC83F15D4437@gmail.com> References: <88D8C375-9DA2-439C-A911-05C3E1FDB870@gmail.com> <9F499C90-0033-4131-A2DB-0CB22C36180E@blueyonder.co.uk> <4A561142-D9E8-48C3-8B44-CC83F15D4437@gmail.com> Message-ID: What is the name of the RSS you get information on apple tips and scripts? Sean On 03/08/2011, at 5:28 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > a quicker way is to big cmd option f and vo right. There is an apple script on how to change this but since I lost the ability to read my rss feeds andy have to resub I'll find it probably in a few months lol! > On Aug 2, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> It is now incorporated into the toolbar. Interact with the tool bar, you will find it to the right of the google search field. >> On 2 Aug 2011, at 19:48, william lomas wrote: >> >>> hi why in lion can I not see a downloads window now in safari? >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Wed Aug 3 11:34:29 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 07:34:29 -0300 Subject: FTP Server software. References: Message-ID: <61C6BCF532C243CBB3B3C5A4F8E589B2@CNIBnotebook> Lynne: Either variety would be fine if it doesn't break the bank. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 6:33 AM Subject: Re: FTP Server software. > hello Jim > > Are you looking for something that's freeware or commercial? > > Lynne > > > On 2 Aug 2011, at 18:30, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > Any recommendations for a Good FTP server that works well with voiceover? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 12:02:51 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:02:51 +0100 Subject: FTP Server software. In-Reply-To: <61C6BCF532C243CBB3B3C5A4F8E589B2@CNIBnotebook> References: <61C6BCF532C243CBB3B3C5A4F8E589B2@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: Hello Jim Firstly, and feel free to reply off list if you prefer. What constitutes "Break the bank"? Actually Chris beat me to it. But I asked because I'll gladly do some searching for you if it would help? Is it only an FTP server you're looking for? Lynne On 3 Aug 2011, at 11:34, Jim Noseworthy wrote: Lynne: Either variety would be fine if it doesn't break the bank. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 6:33 AM Subject: Re: FTP Server software. > hello Jim > > Are you looking for something that's freeware or commercial? > > Lynne > > > On 2 Aug 2011, at 18:30, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > Any recommendations for a Good FTP server that works well with voiceover? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Wed Aug 3 12:27:04 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 08:27:04 -0300 Subject: FTP Server software. References: <61C6BCF532C243CBB3B3C5A4F8E589B2@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <2363490E98E4419AB02028DAFA8CDE3B@CNIBnotebook> Lynne: Thanks much for the offer. I had a look at Wing FTP and It seems quite pricey to me; especially for the secure version. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:02 AM Subject: Re: FTP Server software. > Hello Jim > > Firstly, and feel free to reply off list if you prefer. What constitutes > "Break the bank"? Actually Chris beat me to it. But I asked because I'll > gladly do some searching for you if it would help? Is it only an FTP > server you're looking for? > > Lynne > > On 3 Aug 2011, at 11:34, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > Lynne: > > Either variety would be fine if it doesn't break the bank. > > Thanks. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" > > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: FTP Server software. > > >> hello Jim >> >> Are you looking for something that's freeware or commercial? >> >> Lynne >> >> >> On 2 Aug 2011, at 18:30, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >> >> Any recommendations for a Good FTP server that works well with voiceover? >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 12:51:33 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:51:33 +0100 Subject: Tip; Sorting Your Dock ITems Message-ID: <8BF59337-7E8E-4537-B7F1-BD003E845DFC@mac-access.net> Hello everybody This is something which we here use all the time, but others may not be aware of it. So I thought I would bring it to the attention of the group as it could save some work later if, like ours, your dock is heavily populated. Did you know that there is an operating system shortcut for rearranging the sequence of items in your dock? We prefer to keep everything arranged alphabetically; just, I guess, because we're fussy about organisation and that goes for everything in our lives including our house. Anyway, I digress. The key combination "Option+Left/Right-Arrow" will allow you to move items in your dock into a sequence that you prefer. For example, if you have two items which both begin with the letters "S A", you can use either the VoiceOver shortcut "Control+Option+D" or the OS shortcut "Control+F3" to bring up the dock, then type in the first two letters of your item. But if the first one in sequence isn't the one you most frequently use, it can be annoying to have to move to the second one. So why not just move the item using the above shortcut, so that it;s first in your list? To do this, highlight the item you want to move and, to move it up the list, use "Option+Left Arrow". To move the item down the list, use "Option+Right Arrow". We prefer to store the dock in alphabetical sequence, so that we know exactly where to look. Just as we know where everything is on our hard drive because we store things in logical places with logical names. I just thought I'd share that, since it's something which we use a lot and which others may not know about. It's one of the most useful OS shortcuts in our opinion. Sure; i personally could drag and drop the items using the trackpad; but that's not the point. I always try to use Voiceover as frequently as I can so that I'm reasonably up on accessibility issues. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 12:52:54 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:52:54 +0100 Subject: FTP Server software. In-Reply-To: <2363490E98E4419AB02028DAFA8CDE3B@CNIBnotebook> References: <61C6BCF532C243CBB3B3C5A4F8E589B2@CNIBnotebook> <2363490E98E4419AB02028DAFA8CDE3B@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: hello Jim How much does it cost? On 3 Aug 2011, at 12:27, Jim Noseworthy wrote: Lynne: Thanks much for the offer. I had a look at Wing FTP and It seems quite pricey to me; especially for the secure version. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:02 AM Subject: Re: FTP Server software. > Hello Jim > > Firstly, and feel free to reply off list if you prefer. What constitutes "Break the bank"? Actually Chris beat me to it. But I asked because I'll gladly do some searching for you if it would help? Is it only an FTP server you're looking for? > > Lynne > > On 3 Aug 2011, at 11:34, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > Lynne: > > Either variety would be fine if it doesn't break the bank. > > Thanks. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: FTP Server software. > > >> hello Jim >> >> Are you looking for something that's freeware or commercial? >> >> Lynne >> >> >> On 2 Aug 2011, at 18:30, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >> >> Any recommendations for a Good FTP server that works well with voiceover? >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From smur7241 at bigpond.net.au Wed Aug 3 12:56:58 2011 From: smur7241 at bigpond.net.au (Sean Murphy) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 21:56:58 +1000 Subject: Garage band 6 help. Message-ID: <52160A9F-F4A6-4402-AFDE-299ACC6C1B13@bigpond.net.au> Hi All. I have been playing with Garage Band 6. I have come to a road block and cannot work out what I am doing wrong. 1. I create a new project and select piano as the instrument. 2. Turn on music typing. 3. Press 'r' to start the recording. 4. type in some notes. 5. Press r to turn off recording. 6. Press space bar to play what I have recorded and nothing comes out. Ideas? Sean From chris at mysticplace.info Wed Aug 3 13:43:43 2011 From: chris at mysticplace.info (Chris G) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 08:43:43 -0400 Subject: FTP Server software. In-Reply-To: References: <2363490E98E4419AB02028DAFA8CDE3B@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <20110803084343.8BD4.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> $699.00 USD for the enterprise version. On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:52:54 +0100 "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" wrote: > hello Jim > > How much does it cost? > > On 3 Aug 2011, at 12:27, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > Lynne: > > Thanks much for the offer. > > I had a look at Wing FTP and It seems quite pricey to me; especially for the secure version. > > Thanks. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:02 AM > Subject: Re: FTP Server software. > > > > Hello Jim > > > > Firstly, and feel free to reply off list if you prefer. What constitutes "Break the bank"? Actually Chris beat me to it. But I asked because I'll gladly do some searching for you if it would help? Is it only an FTP server you're looking for? > > > > Lynne > > > > On 3 Aug 2011, at 11:34, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > > > Lynne: > > > > Either variety would be fine if it doesn't break the bank. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" > > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 6:33 AM > > Subject: Re: FTP Server software. > > > > > >> hello Jim > >> > >> Are you looking for something that's freeware or commercial? > >> > >> Lynne > >> > >> > >> On 2 Aug 2011, at 18:30, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > >> > >> Any recommendations for a Good FTP server that works well with voiceover? > >> > >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >> > >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > >> > >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > >> > >> > >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >> > >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > >> > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > - The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. http://www.mysticplace.info From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 13:51:06 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:51:06 +0100 Subject: Wing FTP Server; Glad we didn't go that route! In-Reply-To: <20110803084343.8BD4.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> References: <2363490E98E4419AB02028DAFA8CDE3B@CNIBnotebook> <20110803084343.8BD4.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Message-ID: <4D8999D2-42B5-4B6D-8252-61F4FCA5C164@mac-access.net> Outch! Youch! That is pricy! Woof! Woof! Wait till I get up off the floor. That's not atypical though of Windows-based stuff and I guess that's the excuse for the high price. Heavens above; you could buy a computer for that, running OS X Server! Lynne On 3 Aug 2011, at 13:43, Chris G wrote: $699.00 USD for the enterprise version. From chris at mysticplace.info Wed Aug 3 13:55:31 2011 From: chris at mysticplace.info (Chris G) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 08:55:31 -0400 Subject: Wing FTP Server; Glad we didn't go that route! In-Reply-To: <4D8999D2-42B5-4B6D-8252-61F4FCA5C164@mac-access.net> References: <20110803084343.8BD4.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <4D8999D2-42B5-4B6D-8252-61F4FCA5C164@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <20110803085531.BD4F.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> He did ask for accessible, he didn't say cheep. Next time we should say "accessible and cheep." (smile) On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:51:06 +0100 "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" wrote: > Outch! Youch! That is pricy! Woof! Woof! Wait till I get up off the floor. > > That's not atypical though of Windows-based stuff and I guess that's the excuse for the high price. Heavens above; you could buy a computer for that, running OS X Server! > > Lynne > > On 3 Aug 2011, at 13:43, Chris G wrote: > > $699.00 USD for the enterprise version. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > - The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. http://www.mysticplace.info From lmumford at uga.edu Wed Aug 3 14:07:28 2011 From: lmumford at uga.edu (Linda Mumford) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:07:28 +0000 Subject: Mac Access Support; Administration And List Policy, [Response] In-Reply-To: <3A6A8609-0340-43EE-89A0-3D613015ED1A@mac-access.net> References: <00C3C911-5ADB-4E74-ACD6-43E09D8F54C4@mac-access.net> <12DEC7CF-EAA1-4126-BC59-8FC9154AB8EC@uga.edu> <3A6A8609-0340-43EE-89A0-3D613015ED1A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: You have my blessing to remove me from this list. As a retired veterinarian, emeritus professor, deaf-blind individual, rower, cross-county skier, and guide dog owner, I have in the past, and continue do do so today, belonged to numerous lists. And and I have never encountered such rude list owners in my life. Obviously, you don't like your hypocritical boat . being rocked, because it was YOU Lynn. YES, YOU Lynn who posted those nonsense subject headings! Finally, before you terminate me forever from this list, I would like to point out that one of your list controllers (James Austin) answered this query of mine on-list and posted the same question to you and Gordon! Linda Mumford -- On Aug 3, 2011, at 6:59 AM, Gordon & Lynne Smith wrote: > Hello Linda > > I am taking the liberty of replying off list, and also carbon copying this to our two assistant list controllers so that they know precisely what I have said to you, in the event of any query or dispute. > > It has come to our notice Linda, that you have recently made a couple of list administration related comments on list. Whilst Gordon and I welcome your feedback, since you have repeatedly made reference to list rules, as you call them, (list policy, as we prefer to phrase it), not that it really matters, I would point out to you that it is also stipulated in list policy that, should you have any questions or comments regarding list policy, you should not post them to the list; but contact either the support address, , whence this message is being sent, or either of our two very able and capable list controllers: > Anne Robertson, , or: > James Austin, > and one of us will be delighted to address your questions directly. If you opt to contact the assistant list controllers and they don't feel it appropriate for them to do so, they will forward your request to us directly and we will address it. > > In this particular instance, I also wanted to explain to you the situation so that you understand where we're going. Gordon and I run this list, along with all other mac Access Dot Net resources. Therefore, our decisions related to the list are final. If people don't like the way we run it, they're at perfect liberty to leave the group. That said, we always try to listen and to engage in constructive dialogue with our members wherever possible. We have, unfortunately, had a couple of situations arise recently where we have had to remove people from the group because of unacceptable behaviour and or attitudes. I sincerely hope that won't happen again; as it's something that gives us no satisfaction whatsoever. > > We will not, however, permit * anybody * to turn Mac Access into a flame war. If * anybody * tries to do so, they will be moderated as a first resort and, if they still do not comply, they will be removed. > > I am not suggesting that in any way you have done anything wrong. I'm simply making the situation clear so that everybody concerned has a full understanding of the position. Gordon and I run these groups as a "hubby", alongside our professional and, just at the moment, very stressful personal commitments. Therefore, we are not always able to devote as much time to the group as we would like. Sometimes, it is inevitable that things get missed; although we do try to monitor list traffic as closely as possible. > > As recent events have shown, we're not perfect Linda; we do make mistakes and in those events we're more than willing to hold up our hand and admit to having done so and, where appropriate, apologise. > > In recent times, as you would see if you were to take the time and trouble to check out the archives of the list over recent weeks and months, I have made numerous requests on list for people to observe subject lines. However, Linda, we are simply not able to "force" people to comply all the time; and it's true to say also that I and, possibly, yourself have missed the opportunity to make changes as traffic on list has increased significantly as the number of members grows. > > So Linda, in summary, I would ask you please to refrain from sending administrative requests to the group, although I want to make it clear to you that I fully understand that your motives were in no way malicious. I understand your frustration and, in actual fact, I share it. But this is a matter which members need to discuss with the administrators, as doing so on list contravenes list policy in itself, and, I would also point out that we can act more quickly if you bring it to our attention off list as messages to the support address are always prioritised. If you have queries or comments regarding the way the list is administered or the behaviour of members, please bring the issue to the attention of one of the above mentioned people and we will be happy to investigate and take the appropriate action. > > Once again, I have taken the liberty of making the assistant list controllers aware of the contents of my message to you. So feel free to do as you will from this point. We will consider the issue closed unless you wish to comment further. But be assured Linda that we are doing everything in our power to make things as simple as possible for our members. But it isn't possible to catch everything that hits the group unless we place members into moderator mode which is something we would do only as a last resort. > > I hope I have addressed your issue satisfactorily; but please feel free to contact one of us if you feel that you require further clarification or information. However, be aware that when it comes to it, although we are always more than willing to listen to constructive criticisms or suggestions, Gordon and I finance and run this group; and, therefore, our decisions which we believe to be in the best interests of the group as a whole, are final and binding. We now have over 200 members in this group and it simply isn't possible for us to monitor everything all the time. > > Lynne > > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 14:22:18 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:22:18 +0100 Subject: Wing FTP Server; Glad we didn't go that route! In-Reply-To: <20110803085531.BD4F.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> References: <20110803084343.8BD4.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <4D8999D2-42B5-4B6D-8252-61F4FCA5C164@mac-access.net> <20110803085531.BD4F.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Message-ID: <57188A74-8D74-4EC9-8A50-8E36A1BB8A2F@mac-access.net> Hello Chris On 3 Aug 2011, at 13:55, Chris G wrote: ? He did ask for accessible, he didn't say cheep. Jim said "something which won't break the bank". Does not that imply reasonably priced?:) Just out of interest, is Win only an FTP server? We haven't and, now that I've seen the price, won't bother to try it. But I'm curious. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Aug 3 14:25:42 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 23:25:42 +1000 Subject: Cocktail, anyone had trouble running this under Lion? Message-ID: <9CF061E9-E682-48CC-B921-23C69CC7FCE1@internode.on.net> Subject line asks the question , I now can't get this to work. Whenever I launch the software it opens but there are no windows, menus etc. If I focus to the application and press return, it seems the application quits, has anyone else had this sort of problem? From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 14:25:09 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:25:09 +0100 Subject: Cocktail, anyone had trouble running this under Lion? In-Reply-To: <9CF061E9-E682-48CC-B921-23C69CC7FCE1@internode.on.net> References: <9CF061E9-E682-48CC-B921-23C69CC7FCE1@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <9AA8FB95-E27A-4C0A-BF7A-A8C98941ED9F@mac-access.net> Hello Dane yes, it just won't run here; so we've deleted it for now. Lynne On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:25, Dane Trethowan wrote: Subject line asks the question , I now can't get this to work. Whenever I launch the software it opens but there are no windows, menus etc. From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 14:25:51 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:25:51 +0200 Subject: Cocktail, anyone had trouble running this under Lion? In-Reply-To: <9CF061E9-E682-48CC-B921-23C69CC7FCE1@internode.on.net> References: <9CF061E9-E682-48CC-B921-23C69CC7FCE1@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <41640A91-D303-48F1-8682-EFB6E0ADF5BD@gmail.com> Hi Dane, Did you make sure to grab the 5.0 beta? it works fine here, but scheduling has been disabled due to it being in the beta stages. It may very well be 5.0 now, in which case I haven't received the update. Regards, Nic On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Subject line asks the question , I now can't get this to work. > > Whenever I launch the software it opens but there are no windows, menus etc. > > If I focus to the application and press return, it seems the application quits, has anyone else had this sort of problem? > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Aug 3 14:28:30 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 23:28:30 +1000 Subject: Cocktail, anyone had trouble running this under Lion? In-Reply-To: <9AA8FB95-E27A-4C0A-BF7A-A8C98941ED9F@mac-access.net> References: <9CF061E9-E682-48CC-B921-23C69CC7FCE1@internode.on.net> <9AA8FB95-E27A-4C0A-BF7A-A8C98941ED9F@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <14F737D7-A9A8-4E64-A84B-5FA6DE6F8C14@internode.on.net> Right so I'm not the only one experiencing that problem so I'll have a dig around and perhaps write to the author if I can find contact details to see if there's a solution. On 03/08/2011, at 11:25 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > yes, it just won't run here; so we've deleted it for now. > > Lynne > > On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:25, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Subject line asks the question , I now can't get this to work. > > Whenever I launch the software it opens but there are no windows, menus etc. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 14:27:25 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:27:25 +0100 Subject: Cocktail, anyone had trouble running this under Lion? In-Reply-To: <41640A91-D303-48F1-8682-EFB6E0ADF5BD@gmail.com> References: <9CF061E9-E682-48CC-B921-23C69CC7FCE1@internode.on.net> <41640A91-D303-48F1-8682-EFB6E0ADF5BD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <57B16456-8C64-49EC-9F34-A757DC2E10C7@mac-access.net> Hello Nic Not Dane; but thanks for this info. I will check it out. Lynne On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:25, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: ? Did you make sure to grab the 5.0 beta? it works fine here, but scheduling has been disabled due to it being in the beta stages. It may very well be 5.0 now, in which case I haven't received the update. From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Aug 3 14:29:56 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 23:29:56 +1000 Subject: Cocktail, anyone had trouble running this under Lion? In-Reply-To: <41640A91-D303-48F1-8682-EFB6E0ADF5BD@gmail.com> References: <9CF061E9-E682-48CC-B921-23C69CC7FCE1@internode.on.net> <41640A91-D303-48F1-8682-EFB6E0ADF5BD@gmail.com> Message-ID: I can't remember what version I'm running, all I know is that I updated it before installing OSX Lion a fortnight ago and of course! their may have been updates since so it will be worth my while pointing my browser to the web site I think. On 03/08/2011, at 11:25 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi Dane, > > Did you make sure to grab the 5.0 beta? it works fine here, but scheduling has been disabled due to it being in the beta stages. It may very well be 5.0 now, in which case I haven't received the update. > > Regards, > Nic > On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Subject line asks the question , I now can't get this to work. >> >> Whenever I launch the software it opens but there are no windows, menus etc. >> >> If I focus to the application and press return, it seems the application quits, has anyone else had this sort of problem? >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris at mysticplace.info Wed Aug 3 14:32:04 2011 From: chris at mysticplace.info (Chris G) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 09:32:04 -0400 Subject: Wing FTP Server; Glad we didn't go that route! In-Reply-To: <57188A74-8D74-4EC9-8A50-8E36A1BB8A2F@mac-access.net> References: <20110803085531.BD4F.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <57188A74-8D74-4EC9-8A50-8E36A1BB8A2F@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <20110803093202.5BA1.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> On Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:22:18 +0100 "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" wrote: > Hello Chris > > On 3 Aug 2011, at 13:55, Chris G wrote: > > ? He did ask for accessible, he didn't say cheep. > > Jim said "something which won't break the bank". Does not that imply reasonably priced?:) > > Just out of interest, is Win only an FTP server? We haven't and, now that I've seen the price, won't bother to try it. But I'm curious. http://www.wftpserver.com See Jims original message below, doesn't say anything about breaking the bank and that is the message I responded to. On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 14:30:50 -0300 "Jim Noseworthy" wrote: > Hi Gang: > > Any recommendations for a Good FTP server that works well with voiceover? > > Thanks. > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Wed Aug 3 14:32:45 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:32:45 -0300 Subject: Apple Care Question. Message-ID: <082E19319FDE421D8C49CB0B30754606@CNIBnotebook> Hello Folks: Am I right in sayint that there is no reason to hurry with a decision as to whether or not I should purchase Apple Care? I just received my hardware today. Thanks. From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Aug 3 14:36:45 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:36:45 +0100 Subject: Cocktail, anyone had trouble running this under Lion? In-Reply-To: <41640A91-D303-48F1-8682-EFB6E0ADF5BD@gmail.com> References: <9CF061E9-E682-48CC-B921-23C69CC7FCE1@internode.on.net> <41640A91-D303-48F1-8682-EFB6E0ADF5BD@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am running Onyx here which is a similar free tool, they have updated it for Lion and it works a treat. On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:25, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi Dane, > > Did you make sure to grab the 5.0 beta? it works fine here, but scheduling has been disabled due to it being in the beta stages. It may very well be 5.0 now, in which case I haven't received the update. > > Regards, > Nic > On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Subject line asks the question , I now can't get this to work. >> >> Whenever I launch the software it opens but there are no windows, menus etc. >> >> If I focus to the application and press return, it seems the application quits, has anyone else had this sort of problem? >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 14:39:05 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:39:05 +0200 Subject: Cocktail, anyone had trouble running this under Lion? In-Reply-To: References: <9CF061E9-E682-48CC-B921-23C69CC7FCE1@internode.on.net> <41640A91-D303-48F1-8682-EFB6E0ADF5BD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8938188B-4216-42DF-95A5-9DDB496DEB39@gmail.com> Hi! After using Cocktail for a few times, I got the issue Dane is experiencing. However, grabbing the file and replacing it seems to fix it again, and not exactly sure why. Regards, Nic On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:36 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > I am running Onyx here which is a similar free tool, they have updated it for Lion and it works a treat. > On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:25, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi Dane, >> >> Did you make sure to grab the 5.0 beta? it works fine here, but scheduling has been disabled due to it being in the beta stages. It may very well be 5.0 now, in which case I haven't received the update. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Subject line asks the question , I now can't get this to work. >>> >>> Whenever I launch the software it opens but there are no windows, menus etc. >>> >>> If I focus to the application and press return, it seems the application quits, has anyone else had this sort of problem? >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 14:41:51 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:41:51 +0100 Subject: Wing FTP Server; Glad we didn't go that route! In-Reply-To: <20110803093202.5BA1.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> References: <20110803085531.BD4F.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <57188A74-8D74-4EC9-8A50-8E36A1BB8A2F@mac-access.net> <20110803093202.5BA1.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Message-ID: <165A1841-7321-445A-A9E1-D555C0CB428F@mac-access.net> Chris In his response to my message, that's what Jim said. :) I really don't want to "argue", I think there's been enough of that lately. I'm not in any way having a go at you Chris, I was just very surprised at the price. It seems extreme in my view; but that's only me. On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:32, Chris G wrote: See Jims original message below, doesn't say anything about breaking the bank and that is the message I responded to. From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Aug 3 14:45:13 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 23:45:13 +1000 Subject: Cocktail, anyone had trouble running this under Lion? In-Reply-To: <41640A91-D303-48F1-8682-EFB6E0ADF5BD@gmail.com> References: <9CF061E9-E682-48CC-B921-23C69CC7FCE1@internode.on.net> <41640A91-D303-48F1-8682-EFB6E0ADF5BD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9C0A84F8-AC1E-4F30-A52A-1AA1B24AD8AE@internode.on.net> Thanks! just downloaded the public beta and its working like a charm. On 03/08/2011, at 11:25 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi Dane, > > Did you make sure to grab the 5.0 beta? it works fine here, but scheduling has been disabled due to it being in the beta stages. It may very well be 5.0 now, in which case I haven't received the update. > > Regards, > Nic > On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Subject line asks the question , I now can't get this to work. >> >> Whenever I launch the software it opens but there are no windows, menus etc. >> >> If I focus to the application and press return, it seems the application quits, has anyone else had this sort of problem? >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 14:46:38 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:46:38 +0100 Subject: Apple Care Question. In-Reply-To: <082E19319FDE421D8C49CB0B30754606@CNIBnotebook> References: <082E19319FDE421D8C49CB0B30754606@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: Hello Jim Hopefully I can respond to this without anybody taking me out of context. :) You receive 90 days of complimentary support from Apple which includes basic installation and setup, plus 1 years' limited warranty on your hardware. It is my understanding that AppleCare gives you access to additional resources; but what I found odd was that they say that your AppleCare plan ends 3 years from the day you bought the machine. So to me, that only means they give you 2 years of extended cover, not 3. However, I don't dispute what others have said about this; in as much as it has allowed them to receive replacement hardware so it seems like a worthwhile expenditure. Lynne On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:32, Jim Noseworthy wrote: Am I right in sayint that there is no reason to hurry with a decision as to whether or not I should purchase Apple Care? I just received my hardware today. From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Wed Aug 3 16:03:26 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:03:26 -0300 Subject: Apple Care Question. References: <082E19319FDE421D8C49CB0B30754606@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <33A55B3EB9774E48B94CC85659FE1DE7@CNIBnotebook> Lynne: I guess the issue is just what exactly does Apple mean by limited warranty and whether or not the Apple Care plan is also limited warranty. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Apple Care Question. > Hello Jim > > Hopefully I can respond to this without anybody taking me out of context. > :) > > You receive 90 days of complimentary support from Apple which includes > basic installation and setup, plus 1 years' limited warranty on your > hardware. > > It is my understanding that AppleCare gives you access to additional > resources; but what I found odd was that they say that your AppleCare plan > ends 3 years from the day you bought the machine. So to me, that only > means they give you 2 years of extended cover, not 3. However, I don't > dispute what others have said about this; in as much as it has allowed > them to receive replacement hardware so it seems like a worthwhile > expenditure. > > Lynne > > On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:32, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > Am I right in sayint that there is no reason to hurry with a decision as > to whether or not I should purchase Apple Care? I just received my > hardware today. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Wed Aug 3 16:17:30 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:17:30 -0400 Subject: ogg plugins for quicktime, Message-ID: <1935FDBD-961D-4617-9FB0-A4D831A26505@softcon.com> I was hunting for something else when I came across these quicktime plugins to allow ogg files to be played in quicktime, which means itunes will play them natively as well. They're from the maker of the ogg format directly, so you know they work well. :) So, without further ado, the url is: ogg plugins for quicktime, Enjoy. From desiandcandy at q.com Wed Aug 3 17:23:22 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:23:22 -0700 Subject: How Can I Remove Items From iTunes? Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I have some mp3 files that I have downloaded in the past, but now want to delete from my iTunes music table. I tried deleting them in the finder, and though they seemed to be moved to trash, and when I emptied trash seemed to be emptied, Each time I go back into my music list in iTunes, there they still are. I'm currently using iTunes 4.0 or whatever the latest version is as I just updated it on Sunday. Any help with this would be most appreciated! Desi From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 17:33:08 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:33:08 +0100 Subject: Apple Care Question. In-Reply-To: <33A55B3EB9774E48B94CC85659FE1DE7@CNIBnotebook> References: <082E19319FDE421D8C49CB0B30754606@CNIBnotebook> <33A55B3EB9774E48B94CC85659FE1DE7@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <79E903A8-C04E-4FEC-9D0B-33B26ADDEFC6@mac-access.net> Hello Jim That, to be honest, is something that I myself was wondering. What won't they cover you for? If it's a case of that they won't replace a machine that you jump on, then try to claim for, I can totally understand that. Lynne On 3 Aug 2011, at 16:03, Jim Noseworthy wrote: Lynne: I guess the issue is just what exactly does Apple mean by limited warranty and whether or not the Apple Care plan is also limited warranty. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:46 AM Subject: Re: Apple Care Question. > Hello Jim > > Hopefully I can respond to this without anybody taking me out of context. :) > > You receive 90 days of complimentary support from Apple which includes basic installation and setup, plus 1 years' limited warranty on your hardware. > > It is my understanding that AppleCare gives you access to additional resources; but what I found odd was that they say that your AppleCare plan ends 3 years from the day you bought the machine. So to me, that only means they give you 2 years of extended cover, not 3. However, I don't dispute what others have said about this; in as much as it has allowed them to receive replacement hardware so it seems like a worthwhile expenditure. > > Lynne > > On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:32, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > Am I right in sayint that there is no reason to hurry with a decision as to whether or not I should purchase Apple Care? I just received my hardware today. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From zkline at speedpost.net Wed Aug 3 17:41:16 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 09:41:16 -0700 Subject: Apple Care Question. In-Reply-To: <79E903A8-C04E-4FEC-9D0B-33B26ADDEFC6@mac-access.net> References: <082E19319FDE421D8C49CB0B30754606@CNIBnotebook> <33A55B3EB9774E48B94CC85659FE1DE7@CNIBnotebook> <79E903A8-C04E-4FEC-9D0B-33B26ADDEFC6@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Lynn, I imagine that if you are sensible about handling your machine and don't do things like spill coffee on it or drop it from great heights the odds are good they'll cover you. Again, I've had no experience with this personally, but it makes sense. Best, Zack. On Aug 3, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Jim > > That, to be honest, is something that I myself was wondering. What won't they cover you for? If it's a case of that they won't replace a machine that you jump on, then try to claim for, I can totally understand that. > > Lynne > > On 3 Aug 2011, at 16:03, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > Lynne: > > I guess the issue is just what exactly does Apple mean by limited warranty and whether or not the Apple Care plan is also limited warranty. > > Thanks. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: Apple Care Question. > > >> Hello Jim >> >> Hopefully I can respond to this without anybody taking me out of context. :) >> >> You receive 90 days of complimentary support from Apple which includes basic installation and setup, plus 1 years' limited warranty on your hardware. >> >> It is my understanding that AppleCare gives you access to additional resources; but what I found odd was that they say that your AppleCare plan ends 3 years from the day you bought the machine. So to me, that only means they give you 2 years of extended cover, not 3. However, I don't dispute what others have said about this; in as much as it has allowed them to receive replacement hardware so it seems like a worthwhile expenditure. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:32, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >> >> Am I right in sayint that there is no reason to hurry with a decision as to whether or not I should purchase Apple Care? I just received my hardware today. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Wed Aug 3 17:41:30 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy Duffy) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:41:30 -0400 Subject: copy path? In-Reply-To: References: <2C625165-8872-46F7-AC38-6A6C3A9438EE@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <80E65D23-A4E2-42CC-B6E7-4888F184D1E7@nc.rr.com> I use it just to copy the text of the track list of any CD or audio file. If you do a straight copy from a folder, it wants to copy the files. I just need the list when posting music. In windows, this ap could do this and I imagine it may do it on the Mac, but as yet we believe it is not accessible with VO. Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. tracyduffy at nc.rr.com On Aug 3, 2011, at 4:23 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Tracy > > I'm a little confused as to why you'd need this on the Mac to be honest. Unless I'm missing something, it is possible to copy entire folders and their sub-folders using the Finder. So what advantage does it give you? > > Lynne > > On 2 Aug 2011, at 17:56, Tracy Duffy wrote: > > I just searched for it again and here's the link I copied off of my search results. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 17:48:26 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:48:26 +0100 Subject: Flaming Message-ID: <89B8F8E6-376F-4C33-8936-08AE3A15C329@mac-access.net> Hello everybody This is one of those messages I wish I never had had to write. But this needs to be reaffirmed so I'd best get it over with now. The list policy document located at makes it very clear that flaming won't be tolerated on this list. Recently, because I haven't wanted to take any action against anybody, things have been slipping and there has been a bit of flaming on this list. That, as of now, is a situation which will be rectified. As per her request, for instance, Linda Mumford has been removed from this group. Frankly she was nothing but trouble from the day she joined; and I shouldn't have tolerated it for as long as I did. However, she is the first member I have had to remove because of unacceptable behaviour. I went out of my way, on and off list, to be courteous and polite to that lady; so I really don't know where she gets her views of what constitutes "Rude" from. However, she's gone now and hopefully she might eventually see the error of her ways. OK, so she's history; but we have to think of the future of the group. Gordon and I are currently having to deal with a very difficult personal situation whereby 2 members of our joint family are being treated for cancer. Those situations are obviously at the forefront of our minds; and we are devoting most of our time towards aiding their recovery. Earlier this week we came very close to announcing the closure of this group, owing to the persistent trouble-causing which has gone on here recently. But we opted not to do that because it would be to the detriment of the very large majority of members who have behaved absolutely impeccably and totally in the spirit of the group's aims. However, from this point on, we will be enforcing the rules to the letter with regards flaming. Any member who does it will be moderated and, if necessary, removed; end of story. I sincerely hope it won't be necessary. Gordon and I totally acknowledge that we aren't above making mistakes; and we've made a few recently. We too need to take more care in how we say what we say, and that we will do. But those who are determined, like Linda, to twist what others say to suit their own purposes won't be pacified in future; I will simply do what's necessary for the good of the group. As Leonard Nimoy (alias Mr. Spock) so famously said, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few; or the one". That is how it will be. Lynne ------------------------------ Gordon & Lynne Smith, Are you an iOS or Mac OS fan? If so, consider joining our vibrant community of fellow-enthusiasts. To join our forum, send a message to: with the word "subscribe" [no quotes] in the subject line of your message. Or else, visit: ------------------------------ From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Wed Aug 3 17:49:32 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy Duffy) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:49:32 -0400 Subject: ogg plugins for quicktime, In-Reply-To: <1935FDBD-961D-4617-9FB0-A4D831A26505@softcon.com> References: <1935FDBD-961D-4617-9FB0-A4D831A26505@softcon.com> Message-ID: <8F91E628-6F34-4678-8E1D-08ECEEA7A1AF@nc.rr.com> How does one install plug-ins on the Mac? Thanks. Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. tracyduffy at nc.rr.com On Aug 3, 2011, at 11:17 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: > I was hunting for something else when I came across these quicktime plugins to allow ogg files to be played in quicktime, which means itunes will play them natively as well. > They're from the maker of the ogg format directly, so you know they work well. :) > So, without further ado, the url is: > ogg plugins for quicktime, > Enjoy. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 18:02:00 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:02:00 +0100 Subject: Apple Care Question. In-Reply-To: References: <082E19319FDE421D8C49CB0B30754606@CNIBnotebook> <33A55B3EB9774E48B94CC85659FE1DE7@CNIBnotebook> <79E903A8-C04E-4FEC-9D0B-33B26ADDEFC6@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <56724311-EB40-46B3-8C05-2F0807DB9830@mac-access.net> Hi Zachary I think you're absolutely right. Why should Apple replace something which is broken due to wilful neglect? That seems perfectly reasonable to me. Lynne On 3 Aug 2011, at 17:41, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Lynn, I imagine that if you are sensible about handling your machine and don't do things like spill coffee on it or drop it from great heights the odds are good they'll cover you. Again, I've had no experience with this personally, but it makes sense. From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 18:04:35 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 13:04:35 -0400 Subject: How Can I Remove Items From iTunes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43908615-41F4-421D-8080-14B984F9FABF@gmail.com> Focus on the track you want to delete in the music table and press the backspace/delete key. The track will be gone. You can highlight multiple tracks and delete them all at one time as well. You can delete tracks directly from the music table by pressing delete. On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I have some mp3 files that I have downloaded in the past, but now want to delete from my iTunes music table. I tried deleting them in the finder, and though they seemed to be moved to trash, and when I emptied trash seemed to be emptied, Each time I go back into my music list in iTunes, there they still are. I'm currently using iTunes 4.0 or whatever the latest version is as I just updated it on Sunday. Any help with this would be most appreciated! > > Desi > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 18:04:42 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:04:42 +0100 Subject: copy path? In-Reply-To: <80E65D23-A4E2-42CC-B6E7-4888F184D1E7@nc.rr.com> References: <2C625165-8872-46F7-AC38-6A6C3A9438EE@mac-access.net> <80E65D23-A4E2-42CC-B6E7-4888F184D1E7@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: <024578B5-4339-4FEE-82B8-E22A4B8DC77E@mac-access.net> hello Tracy Right, I see; you're saying it can copy the contents of a file rather than the file itself into, for instance, an iTunes window? I've had a brief look at it and so far I don't seem to be able to get anywhere with it with VoiceOver. So you might want to contact the developers. Lynne On 3 Aug 2011, at 17:41, Tracy Duffy wrote: ? I use it just to copy the text of the track list of any CD or audio file. If you do a straight copy from a folder, it wants to copy the files. I just need the list when posting music. In windows, this ap could do this and I imagine it may do it on the Mac, but as yet we believe it is not accessible with VO. From desiandcandy at q.com Wed Aug 3 18:40:25 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:40:25 -0700 Subject: How Can I Remove Items From iTunes? In-Reply-To: <43908615-41F4-421D-8080-14B984F9FABF@gmail.com> References: <43908615-41F4-421D-8080-14B984F9FABF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7A845E51-94C3-4B22-9CC8-9A9DCAB43AC6@q.com> Hi Marcy, Thanks so much! It's funny how something so simple can sometimes seem sooo hard! LOL! I'm so glad we can ask what would I'm sure seem such silly questions to many here, without being made to feel foolish! Desi On Aug 3, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: > Focus on the track you want to delete in the music table and press the backspace/delete key. The track will be gone. > > You can highlight multiple tracks and delete them all at one time as well. > > You can delete tracks directly from the music table by pressing delete. > > On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I have some mp3 files that I have downloaded in the past, but now want to delete from my iTunes music table. I tried deleting them in the finder, and though they seemed to be moved to trash, and when I emptied trash seemed to be emptied, Each time I go back into my music list in iTunes, there they still are. I'm currently using iTunes 4.0 or whatever the latest version is as I just updated it on Sunday. Any help with this would be most appreciated! >> >> Desi >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 18:51:31 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:51:31 -0700 Subject: copy path? In-Reply-To: <024578B5-4339-4FEE-82B8-E22A4B8DC77E@mac-access.net> References: <2C625165-8872-46F7-AC38-6A6C3A9438EE@mac-access.net> <80E65D23-A4E2-42CC-B6E7-4888F184D1E7@nc.rr.com> <024578B5-4339-4FEE-82B8-E22A4B8DC77E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Oh I'a v heard o fit. I used to make a list of files that way via the context menu. If you can maybe contact the devs there might the a way to make it ac cessibil as I miss that little jem. Take care. On Aug 3, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > hello Tracy > > Right, I see; you're saying it can copy the contents of a file rather than the file itself into, for instance, an iTunes window? > > I've had a brief look at it and so far I don't seem to be able to get anywhere with it with VoiceOver. So you might want to contact the developers. > > Lynne > > On 3 Aug 2011, at 17:41, Tracy Duffy wrote: > > ? I use it just to copy the text of the track list of any CD or audio file. If you do a straight copy from a folder, it wants to copy the files. I just need the list when posting music. In windows, this ap could do this and I imagine it may do it on the Mac, but as yet we believe it is not accessible with VO. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 18:55:24 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:55:24 -0700 Subject: Tip; Sorting Your Dock ITems In-Reply-To: <8BF59337-7E8E-4537-B7F1-BD003E845DFC@mac-access.net> References: <8BF59337-7E8E-4537-B7F1-BD003E845DFC@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <2BCDEBEB-FBFC-4E48-A675-4D04F8E82C98@gmail.com> Oh yeah. I use this shortcut all the time. it is very very useful and I think is dissc used in one of the vo appendices I read once. lol! I hate that shortcut though.I wish there was a way just to do it with out thinking about it lol! On Aug 3, 2011, at 4:51 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > This is something which we here use all the time, but others may not be aware of it. So I thought I would bring it to the attention of the group as it could save some work later if, like ours, your dock is heavily populated. > > Did you know that there is an operating system shortcut for rearranging the sequence of items in your dock? We prefer to keep everything arranged alphabetically; just, I guess, because we're fussy about organisation and that goes for everything in our lives including our house. Anyway, I digress. The key combination "Option+Left/Right-Arrow" will allow you to move items in your dock into a sequence that you prefer. For example, if you have two items which both begin with the letters "S A", you can use either the VoiceOver shortcut "Control+Option+D" or the OS shortcut "Control+F3" to bring up the dock, then type in the first two letters of your item. But if the first one in sequence isn't the one you most frequently use, it can be annoying to have to move to the second one. So why not just move the item using the above shortcut, so that it;s first in your list? > > To do this, highlight the item you want to move and, to move it up the list, use "Option+Left Arrow". To move the item down the list, use "Option+Right Arrow". We prefer to store the dock in alphabetical sequence, so that we know exactly where to look. Just as we know where everything is on our hard drive because we store things in logical places with logical names. > > I just thought I'd share that, since it's something which we use a lot and which others may not know about. It's one of the most useful OS shortcuts in our opinion. Sure; i personally could drag and drop the items using the trackpad; but that's not the point. I always try to use Voiceover as frequently as I can so that I'm reasonably up on accessibility issues. > > Lynne > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 18:56:06 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:56:06 -0700 Subject: downloads window In-Reply-To: References: <88D8C375-9DA2-439C-A911-05C3E1FDB870@gmail.com> <9F499C90-0033-4131-A2DB-0CB22C36180E@blueyonder.co.uk> <4A561142-D9E8-48C3-8B44-CC83F15D4437@gmail.com> Message-ID: mac 911 is one of them. I'll have to look again as I'm rebuilding my crap lol! On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:07 AM, Sean Murphy wrote: > What is the name of the RSS you get information on apple tips and scripts? > > Sean > On 03/08/2011, at 5:28 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> a quicker way is to big cmd option f and vo right. There is an apple script on how to change this but since I lost the ability to read my rss feeds andy have to resub I'll find it probably in a few months lol! >> On Aug 2, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> It is now incorporated into the toolbar. Interact with the tool bar, you will find it to the right of the google search field. >>> On 2 Aug 2011, at 19:48, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> hi why in lion can I not see a downloads window now in safari? >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From joncohn at cox.net Wed Aug 3 19:32:21 2011 From: joncohn at cox.net (Jon Cohn) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:32:21 -0400 Subject: Apple Care Question. In-Reply-To: <79E903A8-C04E-4FEC-9D0B-33B26ADDEFC6@mac-access.net> References: <082E19319FDE421D8C49CB0B30754606@CNIBnotebook> <33A55B3EB9774E48B94CC85659FE1DE7@CNIBnotebook> <79E903A8-C04E-4FEC-9D0B-33B26ADDEFC6@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <2606676A-2959-4A0E-B226-6D7FEC6E6DFC@cox.net> Apple Care has been good to me over the years. 1. The largest number of refusals has been water drops . All the smaller Apple devices have a sensor that changes color with too much moisture, and if the sensor is marked then you are pretty much out of luck. My daughter has a Mac Book Pro that she dropped and then the hard disk started to fail. We brought the system into the Apple Store told them the computer started acting bad after being dropped. The Genius examined the exterior case and decided to replace the hard disk for free. I expect that if the case had more then the occasional scratches they would have charged us. Jonathan On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Jim > > That, to be honest, is something that I myself was wondering. What won't they cover you for? If it's a case of that they won't replace a machine that you jump on, then try to claim for, I can totally understand that. > > Lynne > > On 3 Aug 2011, at 16:03, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > Lynne: > > I guess the issue is just what exactly does Apple mean by limited warranty and whether or not the Apple Care plan is also limited warranty. > > Thanks. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:46 AM > Subject: Re: Apple Care Question. > > >> Hello Jim >> >> Hopefully I can respond to this without anybody taking me out of context. :) >> >> You receive 90 days of complimentary support from Apple which includes basic installation and setup, plus 1 years' limited warranty on your hardware. >> >> It is my understanding that AppleCare gives you access to additional resources; but what I found odd was that they say that your AppleCare plan ends 3 years from the day you bought the machine. So to me, that only means they give you 2 years of extended cover, not 3. However, I don't dispute what others have said about this; in as much as it has allowed them to receive replacement hardware so it seems like a worthwhile expenditure. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:32, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >> >> Am I right in sayint that there is no reason to hurry with a decision as to whether or not I should purchase Apple Care? I just received my hardware today. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 19:44:23 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:44:23 -0700 Subject: Apple Care Question. In-Reply-To: <2606676A-2959-4A0E-B226-6D7FEC6E6DFC@cox.net> References: <082E19319FDE421D8C49CB0B30754606@CNIBnotebook> <33A55B3EB9774E48B94CC85659FE1DE7@CNIBnotebook> <79E903A8-C04E-4FEC-9D0B-33B26ADDEFC6@mac-access.net> <2606676A-2959-4A0E-B226-6D7FEC6E6DFC@cox.net> Message-ID: <2EA918AE-70F5-4890-9E6A-6FE32F964C3E@gmail.com> Yeah they replaced my sister's macbook case for free even though her apple care was done in june of last year. On Aug 3, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Jon Cohn wrote: > Apple Care has been good to me over the years. > > 1. The largest number of refusals has been water drops . All the smaller Apple devices have a sensor that changes color with too much moisture, and if the sensor is marked then you are pretty much out of luck. > > My daughter has a Mac Book Pro that she dropped and then the hard disk started to fail. We brought the system into the Apple Store told them the computer started acting bad after being dropped. The Genius examined the exterior case and decided to replace the hard disk for free. I expect that if the case had more then the occasional scratches they would have charged us. > > Jonathan > > On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Jim >> >> That, to be honest, is something that I myself was wondering. What won't they cover you for? If it's a case of that they won't replace a machine that you jump on, then try to claim for, I can totally understand that. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 3 Aug 2011, at 16:03, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >> >> Lynne: >> >> I guess the issue is just what exactly does Apple mean by limited warranty and whether or not the Apple Care plan is also limited warranty. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" >> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:46 AM >> Subject: Re: Apple Care Question. >> >> >>> Hello Jim >>> >>> Hopefully I can respond to this without anybody taking me out of context. :) >>> >>> You receive 90 days of complimentary support from Apple which includes basic installation and setup, plus 1 years' limited warranty on your hardware. >>> >>> It is my understanding that AppleCare gives you access to additional resources; but what I found odd was that they say that your AppleCare plan ends 3 years from the day you bought the machine. So to me, that only means they give you 2 years of extended cover, not 3. However, I don't dispute what others have said about this; in as much as it has allowed them to receive replacement hardware so it seems like a worthwhile expenditure. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> On 3 Aug 2011, at 14:32, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >>> >>> Am I right in sayint that there is no reason to hurry with a decision as to whether or not I should purchase Apple Care? I just received my hardware today. >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Wed Aug 3 19:58:38 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 19:58:38 +0100 Subject: Moving files and folders on Lion Message-ID: <04F353F8-A55A-4492-BC5B-58C2D97378B1@hopewell.org.uk> Hello All, I recall reading a while back that Lion directly supports moving files and folders. I recall that you had to do Command+C to copy the file or folders to the clipboard and then Command+Option+V to paste the folder or file. I also recall reading that the moved files and folders sometimes disappeared after a Lion restart. Does the above built-in move support work as described and is it reliable? If not has anyone got Move Addict to work on Lion? Many thanks. Paul Hopewell From zkline at speedpost.net Wed Aug 3 20:01:22 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:01:22 -0700 Subject: Moving files and folders on Lion In-Reply-To: <04F353F8-A55A-4492-BC5B-58C2D97378B1@hopewell.org.uk> References: <04F353F8-A55A-4492-BC5B-58C2D97378B1@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <7B18F6F5-892A-4C26-9B05-03317F665A01@speedpost.net> Hi Paul, I'm puzzled, as I've never had those files "disappear" after a Lion reboot. THe feature has always worked as described for me, and I've actually removed Move Addict as unnecessary myself. Best, Zack. On Aug 3, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello All, > I recall reading a while back that Lion directly supports moving files and folders. I recall that you had to do Command+C to copy the file or folders to the clipboard and then Command+Option+V to paste the folder or file. I also recall reading that the moved files and folders sometimes disappeared after a Lion restart. > > Does the above built-in move support work as described and is it reliable? > > If not has anyone got Move Addict to work on Lion? > > Many thanks. > > Paul Hopewell > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 20:03:12 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:03:12 -0700 Subject: Moving files and folders on Lion In-Reply-To: <7B18F6F5-892A-4C26-9B05-03317F665A01@speedpost.net> References: <04F353F8-A55A-4492-BC5B-58C2D97378B1@hopewell.org.uk> <7B18F6F5-892A-4C26-9B05-03317F665A01@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <98753A61-D23B-4E27-BF91-871B466C1DC3@gmail.com> Yeah same here. I've never lost a file, but I did hear of it in mac osx hints forums of people loosing there files they have moved after a reboot. So be careful. Take care. On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Paul, > I'm puzzled, as I've never had those files "disappear" after a Lion reboot. THe feature has always worked as described for me, and I've actually removed Move Addict as unnecessary myself. > Best, > Zack. > On Aug 3, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > >> Hello All, >> I recall reading a while back that Lion directly supports moving files and folders. I recall that you had to do Command+C to copy the file or folders to the clipboard and then Command+Option+V to paste the folder or file. I also recall reading that the moved files and folders sometimes disappeared after a Lion restart. >> >> Does the above built-in move support work as described and is it reliable? >> >> If not has anyone got Move Addict to work on Lion? >> >> Many thanks. >> >> Paul Hopewell >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jpanarese at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 20:04:11 2011 From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 15:04:11 -0400 Subject: Moving files and folders on Lion In-Reply-To: <7B18F6F5-892A-4C26-9B05-03317F665A01@speedpost.net> References: <04F353F8-A55A-4492-BC5B-58C2D97378B1@hopewell.org.uk> <7B18F6F5-892A-4C26-9B05-03317F665A01@speedpost.net> Message-ID: I must concur. I've never had anything disappear that I've moved either. I'm, not sure where that info came from, though in the tech world, anything can happen. Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Paul, > I'm puzzled, as I've never had those files "disappear" after a Lion reboot. THe feature has always worked as described for me, and I've actually removed Move Addict as unnecessary myself. > Best, > Zack. > On Aug 3, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > >> Hello All, >> I recall reading a while back that Lion directly supports moving files and folders. I recall that you had to do Command+C to copy the file or folders to the clipboard and then Command+Option+V to paste the folder or file. I also recall reading that the moved files and folders sometimes disappeared after a Lion restart. >> >> Does the above built-in move support work as described and is it reliable? >> >> If not has anyone got Move Addict to work on Lion? >> >> Many thanks. >> >> Paul Hopewell >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 20:34:49 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 12:34:49 -0700 Subject: Moving files and folders on Lion In-Reply-To: References: <04F353F8-A55A-4492-BC5B-58C2D97378B1@hopewell.org.uk> <7B18F6F5-892A-4C26-9B05-03317F665A01@speedpost.net> Message-ID: yeah really! i've had strange things happen as you all know in the ted world and on this list but I guess it's something to look out fore. Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:04 PM, John Panarese wrote: > I must concur. I've never had anything disappear that I've moved either. I'm, not sure where that info came from, though in the tech world, anything can happen. > > Take Care > John Panarese > jpanarese at mac-access.net > > > > On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Paul, >> I'm puzzled, as I've never had those files "disappear" after a Lion reboot. THe feature has always worked as described for me, and I've actually removed Move Addict as unnecessary myself. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Aug 3, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: >> >>> Hello All, >>> I recall reading a while back that Lion directly supports moving files and folders. I recall that you had to do Command+C to copy the file or folders to the clipboard and then Command+Option+V to paste the folder or file. I also recall reading that the moved files and folders sometimes disappeared after a Lion restart. >>> >>> Does the above built-in move support work as described and is it reliable? >>> >>> If not has anyone got Move Addict to work on Lion? >>> >>> Many thanks. >>> >>> Paul Hopewell >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > Take Care > John Panarese > jpanarese at mac-access.net > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From opensesame at me.com Wed Aug 3 20:52:49 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 15:52:49 -0400 Subject: Is it possible to Move and Merge Folders in Lion? Message-ID: Hi Zack, John, Paul and All, Has anyone tried merging 2 folders using just the commands in Lion? One of the things I like most about MoveAddict is it's intelligent and flexible behavior when merging folders that contain files and subfolders with duplicate names. I gave this a quick test using Lion's Command+C and Command+Option+V to attempt to merge two folders of the same name that contained a mix of different and same-named files. While Lion presented a warning dialog telling me a folder of the same name already exists, when I chose to continue it did not merge, just seems to have blown away the target folder and files and replaced it with the source. I did the usual digging for answers but didn't yet find any Lion command that would perform a move and merge in one stroke as MoveAddict does so well. Any thoughts? Thanks, Bryan On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:04 PM, John Panarese wrote: > On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > I'm puzzled, as I've never had those files "disappear" after a Lion reboot. THe feature has always worked as described for me, and I've actually removed Move Addict as unnecessary myself. From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Wed Aug 3 20:56:49 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:56:49 +0100 Subject: WQuestion about 1 password on Lion Message-ID: Hello, I believe some of you use 1 password on Lion. On Snow Leopard I used to start 1 password, enter my master password, go to the Logins table to locate a web site of interest, and press Command+Option+Return. this started Safari, opened the required web page and automatically input my user name and password so that I am ready to do secure things. If I do the above on Lion Safari automatically starts and opens the correct web page but does not automatically fill in the name and password. If while Safari is open I tab back to my 1 password window and press Command+Option+Return again then my user name and password are usually automatically entered. However this is all more difficult than it was on Snow Leopard. I believe I am using the latest beta version of 1 password. Any hints on the easiest way to login to a web site using 1 password on Lion? Sorry if this has already been discussed and I have missed it. Paul Hopewell From jpanarese at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 21:11:36 2011 From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 16:11:36 -0400 Subject: Is it possible to Move and Merge Folders in Lion? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9DC56A5E-98B0-4C6C-AAC0-8F9D46C11BC4@mac-access.net> Please correct me if I am entirely wrong, but I recall reading somewhere that if you drag a folder onto another, you have the option to merge those folders. Of course, now that I need the info, I can't find where I thought I had read it, but I am fairly certain this was a new feature in Lion. Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hi Zack, John, Paul and All, > > > > Has anyone tried merging 2 folders using just the commands in Lion? One of the things I like most about MoveAddict is it's intelligent and flexible behavior when merging folders that contain files and subfolders with duplicate names. I gave this a quick test using Lion's Command+C and Command+Option+V to attempt to merge two folders of the same name that contained a mix of different and same-named files. While Lion presented a warning dialog telling me a folder of the same name already exists, when I chose to continue it did not merge, just seems to have blown away the target folder and files and replaced it with the source. I did the usual digging for answers but didn't yet find any Lion command that would perform a move and merge in one stroke as MoveAddict does so well. > > Any thoughts? > Thanks, > Bryan > > On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:04 PM, John Panarese wrote: >> On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >> I'm puzzled, as I've never had those files "disappear" after a Lion reboot. THe feature has always worked as described for me, and I've actually removed Move Addict as unnecessary myself. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Wed Aug 3 21:12:19 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 10:12:19 -1000 Subject: Migrate Time Machine backup to new Mac in Lion In-Reply-To: <17695F1E-F2C8-474E-8504-463781C6DB31@gmail.com> References: <17695F1E-F2C8-474E-8504-463781C6DB31@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2A02A390-018C-467F-86B9-0AC82C58F43E@mac.com> Hi Sarah, Just a word of warning about migrating Time Machine backups in Lion. You might want to read through the current reader reports discussions about Time Machine under Lion at the macintouch web site: http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/lion/ The issue is that if you have been using a third-party NAS device for Time Machine backups, it may not support Time Machine under Lion due to enforcement of AFP authentication. Even though the standards for Time Machine support have been previously published, in the past many devices could support Time Machine without being fully compliant with the specifications, that are now required for Lion. So you should check whether your NAS devices (other than Time Capsule) have firmware updates or other notes about support with Lion. Also, I recall that nearly two years ago on this list, Dane asked about USB modem support for dial-up and FAX, and I pointed him to Macintouch discussions about using a Zoom USB modem (or other device that had 64-bit support) in favor of the Apple (32-bit) modems that were then being discontinued. This was also discussed in the above Lion related pages: Benoit Evans David Charlap asked: "Is it the modem or dial-up connectivity [that Apple dropped]?" Apple dropped its USB add-on 32-bit modem from their hardware product line. Everything else related to using the modem (e.g., dial-up connectivity and file faxing) still works if you have a suitable third-party USB 64-bit modem. One that works is the USRobotics USR 5627 (available from Amazon and other vendors). Here are a few representative excerpted quotes on the subject of Lion Time Machine backup on other devices from the last few days: Thomas Armbr?ster There are two problems with Lion and 3rd-party NAS devices. First is the new authentication method, which in some cases prohibit to mount the NAS. Second is Time Machine, which is a completely different case. Since 2009 Apple had made public its Time Machine Network Interface Specification, which you can get in the developer documentation. And no NAS I have seen and tested in the last year did comply with this specification except Time Capsule. So, even if, in the past, Time Machine worked with the 3rd-party NAS devices, it was not supported by Apple, but tolerated. And Lion now takes it seriously. Aaron Pressman So in regards to all kinds of server connections, especially NAS and non-Mac servers, Apple has really fallen down in the customer communication department. With little publicity, Apple has disabled many of the popular and long-used authentication methods that non-Mac servers rely such as Cleartxt Passwrd, MS2.0, 2-Way Randnum exchange, and DHCAST128. Lion Macs will only, by default, out of the box, authenticate via DHX2. Good news: you can restore some of the other methods by mucking with the terminal. See: Lion Server: Connecting to legacy AFP services Also, NAS makers are updating their software. But this seems like a change affecting an awful lot of people and Apple should have been more up-front about it. More background can be read here http://macwindows.com/TIP-Workaround-Lion-AFP-NAS.html and here http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2388928,00.asp Meta Sienkiewicz I will affirm that the manufacturer of my NAS hardware is working on firmware updates to make their equipment compatible with Lion and Time Machine. Today my Buffalo Tech LinkStation Live let me know there was a new firmware update. I went to the website to see what that was about and found that besides the current update there was also a Beta firmware that said it "Fixed the problem that Time Machine backup could not be performed on Mac OS X v10.7 Lion." I am still running Leopard and Snow Leopard so will not need this right away but it is good to know Buffalo Tech is working to make things compatible for when I do update/upgrade my Macs. MacInTouch Upgrading to Mac OS X Lion (OS X 10.7) FAQ [Drobo Technical Support] Comment Richard Barrett I have a DataRobotics Drobo FS NAS bought, in part, because I wanted to use it as a LAN Time Machine backup repository. I was initially concerned about reports of Time Machine incompatibility with various NAS devices due to AFP. The Drobo firmware update 1.2.0 described here resolved the problem: http://www.drobo.com/support/updates/firmware/Release_Notes_Drobo_FS_Firmware_1.2.0.pdf I now have a machine running Lion and others running Snow Leopard coexisting on my LAN and sharing the Time Machine partition on the Drobo FS. This is only meant to be a representative selection to outline some of the issues. Anyone who is really interested in the details of support for NAS devices should go read the full discussion pages. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Aug 2, 2011, at 19:57, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I could have used this! but here ya go! > > Migrate Time Machine backup to new Mac in Lion > > One of the unsung features of Lion is the ability to migrate a Time Machine backup from an old Mac to a new one. > > http://macw.us/nw8d7I From khwicca at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 21:29:55 2011 From: khwicca at gmail.com (Kristeen Hughes) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 16:29:55 -0400 Subject: iTunes behaves differently in Lion Message-ID: <039ECB52-478D-4753-B646-30B8AA77C4A9@gmail.com> Since using Lion, iTunes functions differently than before and I'm wondering how to get it to behave like the old days. I used to be able to arrow through my list of songs with the up and down arrows. Now I need VO with them. I also used to be able to type the first few letters of a song and it would go to that song. I can't do that anymore. Why is it that everything in Lion seems to revolve around tables and there's no way to change that,, or is there and I just don't know? I'm pulling my hair out! Kristeen Hughes khwicca at gmail.com From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Wed Aug 3 21:33:44 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:33:44 -0300 Subject: Mac Mini Server question Message-ID: <2FDCA84D9B7F409392490590403ADD10@MainComputer> Hi Gang: I've got my server up and running ok; however, I am wondering if there is a way to have voiceover automaticly read the logon screen. I nead to press command-f5 every time I boot the computer. Any help would be appreciated. The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy Spirit, in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6348 (20110803) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 21:48:30 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 21:48:30 +0100 Subject: Tip; Sorting Your Dock ITems In-Reply-To: <2BCDEBEB-FBFC-4E48-A675-4D04F8E82C98@gmail.com> References: <8BF59337-7E8E-4537-B7F1-BD003E845DFC@mac-access.net> <2BCDEBEB-FBFC-4E48-A675-4D04F8E82C98@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Sarah I don't think this is a VO shortcut. Lynne On 3 Aug 2011, at 18:55, Sarah Alawami wrote: Oh yeah. I use this shortcut all the time. it is very very useful and I think is dissc used in one of the vo appendices I read once. lol! I hate that shortcut though.I wish there was a way just to do it with out thinking about it lol! From phonerossy at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 21:50:30 2011 From: phonerossy at gmail.com (rossy) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:50:30 +0200 Subject: Tip; Sorting Your Dock ITems In-Reply-To: References: <8BF59337-7E8E-4537-B7F1-BD003E845DFC@mac-access.net> <2BCDEBEB-FBFC-4E48-A675-4D04F8E82C98@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A3190D1-CCC2-463A-A97B-20F475C1F3B9@gmail.com> in fact it is a system short cut and i agree it is a great short cut. rossy Il giorno 03/ago/2011, alle ore 22:48, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ha scritto: > Hello Sarah > > I don't think this is a VO shortcut. > > Lynne > > On 3 Aug 2011, at 18:55, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Oh yeah. I use this shortcut all the time. it is very very useful and I think is dissc used in one of the vo appendices I read once. lol! I hate that shortcut though.I wish there was a way just to do it with out thinking about it lol! > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 21:52:02 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 21:52:02 +0100 Subject: Moving files and folders on Lion In-Reply-To: <04F353F8-A55A-4492-BC5B-58C2D97378B1@hopewell.org.uk> References: <04F353F8-A55A-4492-BC5B-58C2D97378B1@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <8E688C5D-076C-49FE-B847-C9B287DE3633@mac-access.net> Hello Paul I lost a file like this once, and I am glad you reminded me about MoveAddict as I've been meaning to try it. I will go and get the latest version and let you know. Lynne On 3 Aug 2011, at 19:58, Paul Hopewell wrote: Hello All, I recall reading a while back that Lion directly supports moving files and folders. I recall that you had to do Command+C to copy the file or folders to the clipboard and then Command+Option+V to paste the folder or file. I also recall reading that the moved files and folders sometimes disappeared after a Lion restart. Does the above built-in move support work as described and is it reliable? If not has anyone got Move Addict to work on Lion? Many thanks. Paul Hopewell <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 21:54:51 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 21:54:51 +0100 Subject: Mac Mini Server question In-Reply-To: <2FDCA84D9B7F409392490590403ADD10@MainComputer> References: <2FDCA84D9B7F409392490590403ADD10@MainComputer> Message-ID: <07413927-7EBD-448B-A96E-CD438E3DC470@mac-access.net> Jim Go to User & Groups and under the log-in options, check the Use VoiceOver at the Log-in window option. Lynne On 3 Aug 2011, at 21:33, Jim Noseworthy wrote: Hi Gang: I've got my server up and running ok; however, I am wondering if there is a way to have voiceover automaticly read the logon screen. I nead to press command-f5 every time I boot the computer. Any help would be appreciated. The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy Spirit, in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6348 (20110803) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 21:50:25 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:50:25 +0200 Subject: Tip; Sorting Your Dock ITems In-Reply-To: References: <8BF59337-7E8E-4537-B7F1-BD003E845DFC@mac-access.net> <2BCDEBEB-FBFC-4E48-A675-4D04F8E82C98@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2DEA5B56-BB7A-4923-A323-43BA8C8A96BB@gmail.com> Hi! No, it is not. However, if you use Vommand-Option right and left, VoiceOver for some reason announces the movement. Not sure why this is, exactly, since it seems strange to me that two commands that seemingly do the same thing act differently. Regards, Nic On Aug 3, 2011, at 10:48 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > I don't think this is a VO shortcut. > > Lynne > > On 3 Aug 2011, at 18:55, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Oh yeah. I use this shortcut all the time. it is very very useful and I think is dissc used in one of the vo appendices I read once. lol! I hate that shortcut though.I wish there was a way just to do it with out thinking about it lol! > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Aug 3 21:59:21 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 21:59:21 +0100 Subject: Migrate Time Machine backup to new Mac in Lion In-Reply-To: <2A02A390-018C-467F-86B9-0AC82C58F43E@mac.com> References: <17695F1E-F2C8-474E-8504-463781C6DB31@gmail.com> <2A02A390-018C-467F-86B9-0AC82C58F43E@mac.com> Message-ID: Hello Esther, I presume the problems with "nas" storage devices don't extend to bog-standard USB/Firewire external HDs? D?nal On 3 Aug 2011, at 21:12, Esther wrote: > Hi Sarah, > > Just a word of warning about migrating Time Machine backups in Lion. You might want to read through the current reader reports discussions about Time Machine under Lion at the macintouch web site: > http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/lion/ > The issue is that if you have been using a third-party NAS device for Time Machine backups, it may not support Time Machine under Lion due to enforcement of AFP authentication. Even though the standards for Time Machine support have been previously published, in the past many devices could support Time Machine without being fully compliant with the specifications, that are now required for Lion. So you should check whether your NAS devices (other than Time Capsule) have firmware updates or other notes about support with Lion. > > Also, I recall that nearly two years ago on this list, Dane asked about USB modem support for dial-up and FAX, and I pointed him to Macintouch discussions about using a Zoom USB modem (or other device that had 64-bit support) in favor of the Apple (32-bit) modems that were then being discontinued. This was also discussed in the above Lion related pages: > > > Benoit Evans > David Charlap asked: > "Is it the modem or dial-up connectivity [that Apple dropped]?" > Apple dropped its USB add-on 32-bit modem from their hardware product line. > Everything else related to using the modem (e.g., dial-up connectivity and file faxing) still works if you have a suitable third-party USB 64-bit modem. One that works is the USRobotics USR 5627 (available from Amazon and other vendors). > > > Here are a few representative excerpted quotes on the subject of Lion Time Machine backup on other devices from the last few days: > > Thomas Armbr?ster > There are two problems with Lion and 3rd-party NAS devices. First is the new authentication method, which in some cases prohibit to mount the NAS. Second is Time Machine, which is a completely different case. Since 2009 Apple had made public its Time Machine Network Interface Specification, which you can get in the developer documentation. And no NAS I have seen and tested in the last year did comply with this specification except Time Capsule. So, even if, in the past, Time Machine worked with the 3rd-party NAS devices, it was not supported by Apple, but tolerated. And Lion now takes it seriously. > > > > Aaron Pressman > So in regards to all kinds of server connections, especially NAS and non-Mac servers, Apple has really fallen down in the customer communication department. With little publicity, Apple has disabled many of the popular and long-used authentication methods that non-Mac servers rely such as Cleartxt Passwrd, MS2.0, 2-Way Randnum exchange, and DHCAST128. Lion Macs will only, by default, out of the box, authenticate via DHX2. > Good news: you can restore some of the other methods by mucking with the terminal. See: > Lion Server: Connecting to legacy AFP services > > Also, NAS makers are updating their software. > But this seems like a change affecting an awful lot of people and Apple should have been more up-front about it. > More background can be read here > http://macwindows.com/TIP-Workaround-Lion-AFP-NAS.html > and here > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2388928,00.asp > > > > Meta Sienkiewicz > I will affirm that the manufacturer of my NAS hardware is working on firmware updates to make their equipment compatible with Lion and Time Machine. Today my Buffalo Tech LinkStation Live let me know there was a new firmware update. I went to the website to see what that was about and found that besides the current update there was also a Beta firmware that said it "Fixed the problem that Time Machine backup could not be performed on Mac OS X v10.7 Lion." I am still running Leopard and Snow Leopard so will not need this right away but it is good to know Buffalo Tech is working to make things compatible for when I do update/upgrade my Macs. > > > > MacInTouch > Upgrading to Mac OS X Lion (OS X 10.7) FAQ [Drobo Technical Support] > > > Comment > Richard Barrett > I have a DataRobotics Drobo FS NAS bought, in part, because I wanted to use it as a LAN Time Machine backup repository. > I was initially concerned about reports of Time Machine incompatibility with various NAS devices due to AFP. > The Drobo firmware update 1.2.0 described here resolved the problem: > http://www.drobo.com/support/updates/firmware/Release_Notes_Drobo_FS_Firmware_1.2.0.pdf > I now have a machine running Lion and others running Snow Leopard coexisting on my LAN and sharing the Time Machine partition on the Drobo FS. > > > This is only meant to be a representative selection to outline some of the issues. Anyone who is really interested in the details of support for NAS devices should go read the full discussion pages. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Aug 2, 2011, at 19:57, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I could have used this! but here ya go! >> >> Migrate Time Machine backup to new Mac in Lion >> >> One of the unsung features of Lion is the ability to migrate a Time Machine backup from an old Mac to a new one. >> >> http://macw.us/nw8d7I > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From moriond at mac.com Wed Aug 3 22:15:31 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:15:31 -1000 Subject: Some iTunes references [was Re: How Can I Remove Items From iTunes?] In-Reply-To: <7A845E51-94C3-4B22-9CC8-9A9DCAB43AC6@q.com> References: <43908615-41F4-421D-8080-14B984F9FABF@gmail.com> <7A845E51-94C3-4B22-9CC8-9A9DCAB43AC6@q.com> Message-ID: <127AD0EE-C544-4887-A859-2CFA34D1D17C@mac.com> Hi Desi and Others, A lot of questions come up about iTunes, so I'll list some places you can find answers. First, I'll just mention that iTunes works as a database program, so when you add and delete tracks, you should always do this through the iTunes program, as Marcy explained. It's like working with phone numbers or the post office -- the record for where to find a track or whether it's in your library depends on the directory that's maintained by iTunes, and not simply whether the track is somewhere on your computer. If you move your track to a different location or delete it without telling iTunes, all it knows is that there's a broken link. At best it can offer to search through you Music library location to try to find it, but that's very inefficient. For a good description of the layout of iTunes (and many other Mac apps) for VoiceOver, check Tim Kilburn's VoiceOver web pages. Here's the link to the one for iTunes 10 (under Snow Leopard): http://web.me.com/kilburns/voiceover/itunes10.html For general information on how iTunes works, the best source of information are the iLounge tutorials. There are some recent updates for iTunes 10.4, but I'll point to general articles. The web site is much easier to navigate with the mobile version of the site, because there are many graphics and ads. Here is the link to the list of tutorial articles and their links, including the guide to copying content to your iPod: http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/tutorials/ For those who want to start with "The Beginner's Guide to iTunes". Here's the link to the mobile version of the article: ? The Beginner?s Guide to iTunes by Jesse David Hollington (November 23, 2009): http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mobile/articles/the-beginners-guide-to-itunes/ That guide contains links to many of the other guides to using iTunes and your device. The mobile version of ? Copy Content from your iPod to your Computer -- The Definitive Guide (May 14, 2008) is at: http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mobile/articles/copying-music-from-ipod-to-computer/ HTH. Cheers, Esther On Aug 3, 2011, at 07:40, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Marcy, > > Thanks so much! It's funny how something so simple can sometimes seem sooo hard! LOL! I'm so glad we can ask what would I'm sure seem such silly questions to many here, without being made to feel foolish! > > Desi > > > > On Aug 3, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: > >> Focus on the track you want to delete in the music table and press the backspace/delete key. The track will be gone. >> >> You can highlight multiple tracks and delete them all at one time as well. >> >> You can delete tracks directly from the music table by pressing delete. >> >> On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Desi Noller wrote: >> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> I have some mp3 files that I have downloaded in the past, but now want to delete from my iTunes music table. I tried deleting them in the finder, and though they seemed to be moved to trash, and when I emptied trash seemed to be emptied, Each time I go back into my music list in iTunes, there they still are. I'm currently using iTunes 4.0 or whatever the latest version is as I just updated it on Sunday. Any help with this would be most appreciated! >>> >>> Desi From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 3 22:18:35 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 22:18:35 +0100 Subject: Take Contro;; Free Update Message-ID: <763F499F-9DB1-45AA-919B-EC02995680ED@mac-access.net> Hello everybody If you bought Take Control of your iPad Basics from us, let us know. You're entitled to a free update. Lynne From desiandcandy at q.com Wed Aug 3 22:32:30 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 14:32:30 -0700 Subject: Some iTunes references [was Re: How Can I Remove Items From iTunes?] In-Reply-To: <127AD0EE-C544-4887-A859-2CFA34D1D17C@mac.com> References: <43908615-41F4-421D-8080-14B984F9FABF@gmail.com> <7A845E51-94C3-4B22-9CC8-9A9DCAB43AC6@q.com> <127AD0EE-C544-4887-A859-2CFA34D1D17C@mac.com> Message-ID: <42BBAF11-14B8-44DC-92FA-F1CBD23BC7CF@q.com> Hi Esther, Thank you so much! This is extremely helpful! I noticed that after I deleted some items according to Marcy's information, the items did indeed disappear from my iTunes music table, but later, I still found some of them listed in a downloads window? So when you delete them from the iTunes table, how then do you make sure they're truly deleted from your system? Desi On Aug 3, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Desi and Others, > > A lot of questions come up about iTunes, so I'll list some places you can find answers. First, I'll just mention that iTunes works as a database program, so when you add and delete tracks, you should always do this through the iTunes program, as Marcy explained. It's like working with phone numbers or the post office -- the record for where to find a track or whether it's in your library depends on the directory that's maintained by iTunes, and not simply whether the track is somewhere on your computer. If you move your track to a different location or delete it without telling iTunes, all it knows is that there's a broken link. At best it can offer to search through you Music library location to try to find it, but that's very inefficient. > > For a good description of the layout of iTunes (and many other Mac apps) for VoiceOver, check Tim Kilburn's VoiceOver web pages. Here's the link to the one for iTunes 10 (under Snow Leopard): > http://web.me.com/kilburns/voiceover/itunes10.html > > For general information on how iTunes works, the best source of information are the iLounge tutorials. There are some recent updates for iTunes 10.4, but I'll point to general articles. > > The web site is much easier to navigate with the mobile version of the site, because there are many graphics and ads. Here is the link to the list of tutorial articles and their links, including the guide to copying content to your iPod: > > http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/tutorials/ > > For those who want to start with "The Beginner's Guide to iTunes". Here's the link to the mobile version of the article: > ? The Beginner?s Guide to iTunes by Jesse David Hollington (November 23, 2009): > http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mobile/articles/the-beginners-guide-to-itunes/ > > That guide contains links to many of the other guides to using iTunes and your device. The mobile version of > ? Copy Content from your iPod to your Computer -- The Definitive Guide (May 14, 2008) is at: > http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mobile/articles/copying-music-from-ipod-to-computer/ > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Aug 3, 2011, at 07:40, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Marcy, >> >> Thanks so much! It's funny how something so simple can sometimes seem sooo hard! LOL! I'm so glad we can ask what would I'm sure seem such silly questions to many here, without being made to feel foolish! >> >> Desi >> >> >> >> On Aug 3, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: >> >>> Focus on the track you want to delete in the music table and press the backspace/delete key. The track will be gone. >>> >>> You can highlight multiple tracks and delete them all at one time as well. >>> >>> You can delete tracks directly from the music table by pressing delete. >>> >>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Desi Noller wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> I have some mp3 files that I have downloaded in the past, but now want to delete from my iTunes music table. I tried deleting them in the finder, and though they seemed to be moved to trash, and when I emptied trash seemed to be emptied, Each time I go back into my music list in iTunes, there they still are. I'm currently using iTunes 4.0 or whatever the latest version is as I just updated it on Sunday. Any help with this would be most appreciated! >>>> >>>> Desi > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Wed Aug 3 22:38:56 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:38:56 -0400 Subject: Some iTunes references [was Re: How Can I Remove Items From iTunes?] In-Reply-To: <42BBAF11-14B8-44DC-92FA-F1CBD23BC7CF@q.com> References: <43908615-41F4-421D-8080-14B984F9FABF@gmail.com> <7A845E51-94C3-4B22-9CC8-9A9DCAB43AC6@q.com> <127AD0EE-C544-4887-A859-2CFA34D1D17C@mac.com> <42BBAF11-14B8-44DC-92FA-F1CBD23BC7CF@q.com> Message-ID: <3DDBE63D-F91A-4EC9-9682-777966DC31F7@gmail.com> When you press delete, you should be presented with a dialogue asking if you want to send the track to the trash or keep it in the itunes library. Sending it to the trash will do just that, and it will disappear forever when you empty the trash. On Aug 3, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Esther, > > Thank you so much! This is extremely helpful! I noticed that after I deleted some items according to Marcy's information, the items did indeed disappear from my iTunes music table, but later, I still found some of them listed in a downloads window? So when you delete them from the iTunes table, how then do you make sure they're truly deleted from your system? > > Desi > > > > On Aug 3, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Desi and Others, >> >> A lot of questions come up about iTunes, so I'll list some places you can find answers. First, I'll just mention that iTunes works as a database program, so when you add and delete tracks, you should always do this through the iTunes program, as Marcy explained. It's like working with phone numbers or the post office -- the record for where to find a track or whether it's in your library depends on the directory that's maintained by iTunes, and not simply whether the track is somewhere on your computer. If you move your track to a different location or delete it without telling iTunes, all it knows is that there's a broken link. At best it can offer to search through you Music library location to try to find it, but that's very inefficient. >> >> For a good description of the layout of iTunes (and many other Mac apps) for VoiceOver, check Tim Kilburn's VoiceOver web pages. Here's the link to the one for iTunes 10 (under Snow Leopard): >> http://web.me.com/kilburns/voiceover/itunes10.html >> >> For general information on how iTunes works, the best source of information are the iLounge tutorials. There are some recent updates for iTunes 10.4, but I'll point to general articles. >> >> The web site is much easier to navigate with the mobile version of the site, because there are many graphics and ads. Here is the link to the list of tutorial articles and their links, including the guide to copying content to your iPod: >> >> http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/tutorials/ >> >> For those who want to start with "The Beginner's Guide to iTunes". Here's the link to the mobile version of the article: >> ? The Beginner?s Guide to iTunes by Jesse David Hollington (November 23, 2009): >> http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mobile/articles/the-beginners-guide-to-itunes/ >> >> That guide contains links to many of the other guides to using iTunes and your device. The mobile version of >> ? Copy Content from your iPod to your Computer -- The Definitive Guide (May 14, 2008) is at: >> http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mobile/articles/copying-music-from-ipod-to-computer/ >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Aug 3, 2011, at 07:40, Desi Noller wrote: >> >>> Hi Marcy, >>> >>> Thanks so much! It's funny how something so simple can sometimes seem sooo hard! LOL! I'm so glad we can ask what would I'm sure seem such silly questions to many here, without being made to feel foolish! >>> >>> Desi >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: >>> >>>> Focus on the track you want to delete in the music table and press the backspace/delete key. The track will be gone. >>>> >>>> You can highlight multiple tracks and delete them all at one time as well. >>>> >>>> You can delete tracks directly from the music table by pressing delete. >>>> >>>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Desi Noller wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>> >>>>> I have some mp3 files that I have downloaded in the past, but now want to delete from my iTunes music table. I tried deleting them in the finder, and though they seemed to be moved to trash, and when I emptied trash seemed to be emptied, Each time I go back into my music list in iTunes, there they still are. I'm currently using iTunes 4.0 or whatever the latest version is as I just updated it on Sunday. Any help with this would be most appreciated! >>>>> >>>>> Desi >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Wed Aug 3 22:55:46 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:55:46 -1000 Subject: Migrate Time Machine backup to new Mac in Lion In-Reply-To: References: <17695F1E-F2C8-474E-8504-463781C6DB31@gmail.com> <2A02A390-018C-467F-86B9-0AC82C58F43E@mac.com> Message-ID: <6CA5EC1D-8D99-4E9E-ADF1-82FB02C9B08A@mac.com> Hi D?nal, I think that these are only issues for NAS storage devices, but I always keep bootable clones handy. The post was more directed on "migrating time machine backups". The server authentication protocol problems are related to Paul's query about 1Password having to rewrite it's interfaces. I'm meaning to answer that separately :) I'd check by taking a read through the (updated) Take Control Guides for (Upgrading to and Running) Lion. Cheers, Esther On Aug 3, 2011, at 10:59, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hello Esther, > > I presume the problems with "nas" storage devices don't extend to bog-standard USB/Firewire external HDs? > > D?nal > On 3 Aug 2011, at 21:12, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Sarah, >> >> Just a word of warning about migrating Time Machine backups in Lion. You might want to read through the current reader reports discussions about Time Machine under Lion at the macintouch web site: >> http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/lion/ >> The issue is that if you have been using a third-party NAS device for Time Machine backups, it may not support Time Machine under Lion due to enforcement of AFP authentication. Even though the standards for Time Machine support have been previously published, in the past many devices could support Time Machine without being fully compliant with the specifications, that are now required for Lion. So you should check whether your NAS devices (other than Time Capsule) have firmware updates or other notes about support with Lion. >> >> Also, I recall that nearly two years ago on this list, Dane asked about USB modem support for dial-up and FAX, and I pointed him to Macintouch discussions about using a Zoom USB modem (or other device that had 64-bit support) in favor of the Apple (32-bit) modems that were then being discontinued. This was also discussed in the above Lion related pages: >> >> >> Benoit Evans >> David Charlap asked: >> "Is it the modem or dial-up connectivity [that Apple dropped]?" >> Apple dropped its USB add-on 32-bit modem from their hardware product line. >> Everything else related to using the modem (e.g., dial-up connectivity and file faxing) still works if you have a suitable third-party USB 64-bit modem. One that works is the USRobotics USR 5627 (available from Amazon and other vendors). >> >> >> Here are a few representative excerpted quotes on the subject of Lion Time Machine backup on other devices from the last few days: >> >> Thomas Armbr?ster >> There are two problems with Lion and 3rd-party NAS devices. First is the new authentication method, which in some cases prohibit to mount the NAS. Second is Time Machine, which is a completely different case. Since 2009 Apple had made public its Time Machine Network Interface Specification, which you can get in the developer documentation. And no NAS I have seen and tested in the last year did comply with this specification except Time Capsule. So, even if, in the past, Time Machine worked with the 3rd-party NAS devices, it was not supported by Apple, but tolerated. And Lion now takes it seriously. >> >> >> >> Aaron Pressman >> So in regards to all kinds of server connections, especially NAS and non-Mac servers, Apple has really fallen down in the customer communication department. With little publicity, Apple has disabled many of the popular and long-used authentication methods that non-Mac servers rely such as Cleartxt Passwrd, MS2.0, 2-Way Randnum exchange, and DHCAST128. Lion Macs will only, by default, out of the box, authenticate via DHX2. >> Good news: you can restore some of the other methods by mucking with the terminal. See: >> Lion Server: Connecting to legacy AFP services >> >> Also, NAS makers are updating their software. >> But this seems like a change affecting an awful lot of people and Apple should have been more up-front about it. >> More background can be read here >> http://macwindows.com/TIP-Workaround-Lion-AFP-NAS.html >> and here >> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2388928,00.asp >> >> >> >> Meta Sienkiewicz >> I will affirm that the manufacturer of my NAS hardware is working on firmware updates to make their equipment compatible with Lion and Time Machine. Today my Buffalo Tech LinkStation Live let me know there was a new firmware update. I went to the website to see what that was about and found that besides the current update there was also a Beta firmware that said it "Fixed the problem that Time Machine backup could not be performed on Mac OS X v10.7 Lion." I am still running Leopard and Snow Leopard so will not need this right away but it is good to know Buffalo Tech is working to make things compatible for when I do update/upgrade my Macs. >> >> >> >> MacInTouch >> Upgrading to Mac OS X Lion (OS X 10.7) FAQ [Drobo Technical Support] >> >> >> Comment >> Richard Barrett >> I have a DataRobotics Drobo FS NAS bought, in part, because I wanted to use it as a LAN Time Machine backup repository. >> I was initially concerned about reports of Time Machine incompatibility with various NAS devices due to AFP. >> The Drobo firmware update 1.2.0 described here resolved the problem: >> http://www.drobo.com/support/updates/firmware/Release_Notes_Drobo_FS_Firmware_1.2.0.pdf >> I now have a machine running Lion and others running Snow Leopard coexisting on my LAN and sharing the Time Machine partition on the Drobo FS. >> >> >> This is only meant to be a representative selection to outline some of the issues. Anyone who is really interested in the details of support for NAS devices should go read the full discussion pages. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Aug 2, 2011, at 19:57, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> I could have used this! but here ya go! >>> >>> Migrate Time Machine backup to new Mac in Lion >>> >>> One of the unsung features of Lion is the ability to migrate a Time Machine backup from an old Mac to a new one. >>> >>> http://macw.us/nw8d7I >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Aug 3 23:03:58 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 23:03:58 +0100 Subject: Migrate Time Machine backup to new Mac in Lion In-Reply-To: <17695F1E-F2C8-474E-8504-463781C6DB31@gmail.com> References: <17695F1E-F2C8-474E-8504-463781C6DB31@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8343D6C0-A66A-4159-8152-5B7F3F339197@computing.dcu.ie> Sarah This was exactly what I was trying to do the other night, and about which I posted. I hadn't had the opportunity to attempt to play with the time machine from my old mac, so thanks for posting this. D?nal On 3 Aug 2011, at 06:57, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I could have used this! but here ya go! > > Migrate Time Machine backup to new Mac in Lion > > One of the unsung features of Lion is the ability to migrate a Time Machine backup from an old Mac to a new one. > > http://macw.us/nw8d7I > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Wed Aug 3 23:22:02 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 19:22:02 -0300 Subject: Mac Mini Server question In-Reply-To: <07413927-7EBD-448B-A96E-CD438E3DC470@mac-access.net> References: <2FDCA84D9B7F409392490590403ADD10@MainComputer> <07413927-7EBD-448B-A96E-CD438E3DC470@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Lynne: Am I to find that option in SERVER.APP? Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server question > Jim > > Go to User & Groups and under the log-in options, check the Use VoiceOver > at the Log-in window option. > > Lynne > > On 3 Aug 2011, at 21:33, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > Hi Gang: > > I've got my server up and running ok; however, I am wondering if there is > a way to have voiceover automaticly read the logon screen. I nead to > press command-f5 every time I boot the computer. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy Spirit, > in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6348 (20110803) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6348 (20110803) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > From mrt5163 at me.com Wed Aug 3 23:27:23 2011 From: mrt5163 at me.com (Mark Townsend) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 23:27:23 +0100 Subject: Flaming In-Reply-To: <89B8F8E6-376F-4C33-8936-08AE3A15C329@mac-access.net> References: <89B8F8E6-376F-4C33-8936-08AE3A15C329@mac-access.net> Message-ID: You will habe been aware today that I have requested to be removed from this group and that decision remains. I am subscribed to many groups and frankly have never experienced the content management that has been undergoing on this group. Yur personal situation should be kept seperate from this group and I would expect a higher lebel of professionalism. Please have me removed from this group immediately and I would strongly suggest you reconsider and adopt am appraoch more appropriate. Mark Townsend +44 7973 326633 mrt5163 at me.com On 3 Aug 2011, at 17:48, Gordon & Lynne Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > This is one of those messages I wish I never had had to write. But this needs to be reaffirmed so I'd best get it over with now. > > The list policy document located at makes it very clear that flaming won't be tolerated on this list. Recently, because I haven't wanted to take any action against anybody, things have been slipping and there has been a bit of flaming on this list. > > That, as of now, is a situation which will be rectified. As per her request, for instance, Linda Mumford has been removed from this group. Frankly she was nothing but trouble from the day she joined; and I shouldn't have tolerated it for as long as I did. However, she is the first member I have had to remove because of unacceptable behaviour. I went out of my way, on and off list, to be courteous and polite to that lady; so I really don't know where she gets her views of what constitutes "Rude" from. However, she's gone now and hopefully she might eventually see the error of her ways. > > OK, so she's history; but we have to think of the future of the group. Gordon and I are currently having to deal with a very difficult personal situation whereby 2 members of our joint family are being treated for cancer. Those situations are obviously at the forefront of our minds; and we are devoting most of our time towards aiding their recovery. > > Earlier this week we came very close to announcing the closure of this group, owing to the persistent trouble-causing which has gone on here recently. But we opted not to do that because it would be to the detriment of the very large majority of members who have behaved absolutely impeccably and totally in the spirit of the group's aims. However, from this point on, we will be enforcing the rules to the letter with regards flaming. Any member who does it will be moderated and, if necessary, removed; end of story. I sincerely hope it won't be necessary. > > Gordon and I totally acknowledge that we aren't above making mistakes; and we've made a few recently. We too need to take more care in how we say what we say, and that we will do. But those who are determined, like Linda, to twist what others say to suit their own purposes won't be pacified in future; I will simply do what's necessary for the good of the group. As Leonard Nimoy (alias Mr. Spock) so famously said, "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few; or the one". That is how it will be. > > Lynne > > ------------------------------ > > Gordon & Lynne Smith, > > Are you an iOS or Mac OS fan? If so, consider joining our vibrant community of fellow-enthusiasts. To join our forum, send a message to: > > with the word "subscribe" [no quotes] in the subject line of your message. Or else, visit: > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Wed Aug 3 23:36:46 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:36:46 -0700 Subject: Some iTunes references [was Re: How Can I Remove Items From iTunes?] In-Reply-To: <3DDBE63D-F91A-4EC9-9682-777966DC31F7@gmail.com> References: <43908615-41F4-421D-8080-14B984F9FABF@gmail.com> <7A845E51-94C3-4B22-9CC8-9A9DCAB43AC6@q.com> <127AD0EE-C544-4887-A859-2CFA34D1D17C@mac.com> <42BBAF11-14B8-44DC-92FA-F1CBD23BC7CF@q.com> <3DDBE63D-F91A-4EC9-9682-777966DC31F7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Marcy, The dialog I got was something on the order of a message telling me that if I chose to delete the item, it would be removed from iTunes permanently, and would no longer be able to sync with other devices. I apologize for the very poor representation of the dialog, but I was not asked if I wanted to send the item(s) to the trash. I wonder what is causing this discrepancy? Any thoughts would be most appreciated! Desi On Aug 3, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: > When you press delete, you should be presented with a dialogue asking if you want to send the track to the trash or keep it in the itunes library. Sending it to the trash will do just that, and it will disappear forever when you empty the trash. > > On Aug 3, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Esther, >> >> Thank you so much! This is extremely helpful! I noticed that after I deleted some items according to Marcy's information, the items did indeed disappear from my iTunes music table, but later, I still found some of them listed in a downloads window? So when you delete them from the iTunes table, how then do you make sure they're truly deleted from your system? >> >> Desi >> >> >> >> On Aug 3, 2011, at 2:15 PM, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi Desi and Others, >>> >>> A lot of questions come up about iTunes, so I'll list some places you can find answers. First, I'll just mention that iTunes works as a database program, so when you add and delete tracks, you should always do this through the iTunes program, as Marcy explained. It's like working with phone numbers or the post office -- the record for where to find a track or whether it's in your library depends on the directory that's maintained by iTunes, and not simply whether the track is somewhere on your computer. If you move your track to a different location or delete it without telling iTunes, all it knows is that there's a broken link. At best it can offer to search through you Music library location to try to find it, but that's very inefficient. >>> >>> For a good description of the layout of iTunes (and many other Mac apps) for VoiceOver, check Tim Kilburn's VoiceOver web pages. Here's the link to the one for iTunes 10 (under Snow Leopard): >>> http://web.me.com/kilburns/voiceover/itunes10.html >>> >>> For general information on how iTunes works, the best source of information are the iLounge tutorials. There are some recent updates for iTunes 10.4, but I'll point to general articles. >>> >>> The web site is much easier to navigate with the mobile version of the site, because there are many graphics and ads. Here is the link to the list of tutorial articles and their links, including the guide to copying content to your iPod: >>> >>> http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/articles/tutorials/ >>> >>> For those who want to start with "The Beginner's Guide to iTunes". Here's the link to the mobile version of the article: >>> ? The Beginner?s Guide to iTunes by Jesse David Hollington (November 23, 2009): >>> http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mobile/articles/the-beginners-guide-to-itunes/ >>> >>> That guide contains links to many of the other guides to using iTunes and your device. The mobile version of >>> ? Copy Content from your iPod to your Computer -- The Definitive Guide (May 14, 2008) is at: >>> http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mobile/articles/copying-music-from-ipod-to-computer/ >>> >>> HTH. Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 07:40, Desi Noller wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Marcy, >>>> >>>> Thanks so much! It's funny how something so simple can sometimes seem sooo hard! LOL! I'm so glad we can ask what would I'm sure seem such silly questions to many here, without being made to feel foolish! >>>> >>>> Desi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: >>>> >>>>> Focus on the track you want to delete in the music table and press the backspace/delete key. The track will be gone. >>>>> >>>>> You can highlight multiple tracks and delete them all at one time as well. >>>>> >>>>> You can delete tracks directly from the music table by pressing delete. >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Desi Noller wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> I have some mp3 files that I have downloaded in the past, but now want to delete from my iTunes music table. I tried deleting them in the finder, and though they seemed to be moved to trash, and when I emptied trash seemed to be emptied, Each time I go back into my music list in iTunes, there they still are. I'm currently using iTunes 4.0 or whatever the latest version is as I just updated it on Sunday. Any help with this would be most appreciated! >>>>>> >>>>>> Desi >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Wed Aug 3 23:58:52 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 19:58:52 -0300 Subject: Mac Mini Server question In-Reply-To: <07413927-7EBD-448B-A96E-CD438E3DC470@mac-access.net> References: <2FDCA84D9B7F409392490590403ADD10@MainComputer> <07413927-7EBD-448B-A96E-CD438E3DC470@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9CC51D7304E8472D92EFA907EEDCE842@MainComputer> Lynne: I must have had a senior's moment. I've resolved the problem now thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server question > Jim > > Go to User & Groups and under the log-in options, check the Use VoiceOver > at the Log-in window option. > > Lynne > > On 3 Aug 2011, at 21:33, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > Hi Gang: > > I've got my server up and running ok; however, I am wondering if there is > a way to have voiceover automaticly read the logon screen. I nead to > press command-f5 every time I boot the computer. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy Spirit, > in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6348 (20110803) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6348 (20110803) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6348 (20110803) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Thu Aug 4 00:28:45 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:28:45 -0300 Subject: Mac Mini Server question In-Reply-To: <07413927-7EBD-448B-A96E-CD438E3DC470@mac-access.net> References: <2FDCA84D9B7F409392490590403ADD10@MainComputer> <07413927-7EBD-448B-A96E-CD438E3DC470@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <360FECBE63004D8ABDE05B356ED398E0@MainComputer> Hey Lynne: Sorry to be such a pain but though I found where I can turn on Voiceover at the logon screen or log in automaticly, those items are unavailable to me. Any ideas? I must have something turned on or off. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server question > Jim > > Go to User & Groups and under the log-in options, check the Use VoiceOver > at the Log-in window option. > > Lynne > > On 3 Aug 2011, at 21:33, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > Hi Gang: > > I've got my server up and running ok; however, I am wondering if there is > a way to have voiceover automaticly read the logon screen. I nead to > press command-f5 every time I boot the computer. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy Spirit, > in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6348 (20110803) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6348 (20110803) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6348 (20110803) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From joncohn at cox.net Thu Aug 4 00:41:20 2011 From: joncohn at cox.net (Jon Cohn) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 19:41:20 -0400 Subject: Some iTunes references [was Re: How Can I Remove Items From iTunes?] In-Reply-To: References: <43908615-41F4-421D-8080-14B984F9FABF@gmail.com> <7A845E51-94C3-4B22-9CC8-9A9DCAB43AC6@q.com> <127AD0EE-C544-4887-A859-2CFA34D1D17C@mac.com> <42BBAF11-14B8-44DC-92FA-F1CBD23BC7CF@q.com> <3DDBE63D-F91A-4EC9-9682-777966DC31F7@gmail.com> Message-ID: This dialog should only occur if the music is stored in your iTunes folder. Look in the advanced settings tab, you should see a check box > Copy files to iTunes Media folder when adding to library And as this is a copy and not a move, I would expect that the media files would end up in both iTunes folder and your downloads folder. I hope I made sense. Jonathan From moriond at mac.com Thu Aug 4 00:48:37 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 13:48:37 -1000 Subject: Mac Mini Server question In-Reply-To: <360FECBE63004D8ABDE05B356ED398E0@MainComputer> References: <2FDCA84D9B7F409392490590403ADD10@MainComputer> <07413927-7EBD-448B-A96E-CD438E3DC470@mac-access.net> <360FECBE63004D8ABDE05B356ED398E0@MainComputer> Message-ID: Hi Jim, I'm not on Lion, but usually your login options are kept locked. Is there a button that might be labeled something like "Click the lock to make changes?" that you can navigate to and click? An authentication window should appear prompting you for your Admin password. Then try setting up the login options for your account. The pop up button for "Automatic login" and the check box for "Use VoiceOver in the login window" should be undimmed. When you're finished, you can VO-Space on the "Click the lock to prevent further changes" button to lock things again. Hope things are working well now for you. Incidentally, it seems that with the newer Mac Mini servers that come with both Lion server and Lion preloaded, you don't have to go through the complicated upgrade path you faced in order to just use the new Man Mini with Lion. Cheers, Esther On Aug 3, 2011, at 13:28, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hey Lynne: > > Sorry to be such a pain but though I found where I can turn on Voiceover at the logon screen or log in automaticly, those items are unavailable to me. > > Any ideas? I must have something turned on or off. > > Thanks. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 5:54 PM > Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server question > > >> Jim >> >> Go to User & Groups and under the log-in options, check the Use VoiceOver at the Log-in window option. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 3 Aug 2011, at 21:33, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >> >> Hi Gang: >> >> I've got my server up and running ok; however, I am wondering if there is a way to have voiceover automaticly read the logon screen. I nead to press command-f5 every time I boot the computer. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> >> The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy Spirit, in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Thu Aug 4 00:58:25 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:58:25 -0300 Subject: Mac Mini Server question In-Reply-To: References: <2FDCA84D9B7F409392490590403ADD10@MainComputer> <07413927-7EBD-448B-A96E-CD438E3DC470@mac-access.net> <360FECBE63004D8ABDE05B356ED398E0@MainComputer> Message-ID: <74E8E3A063B04856B17E18EE8AA25144@MainComputer> Hey Esther: Thanks all over the place. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:48 PM Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server question > Hi Jim, > > I'm not on Lion, but usually your login options are kept locked. Is there > a button that might be labeled something like "Click the lock to make > changes?" that you can navigate to and click? An authentication window > should appear prompting you for your Admin password. Then try setting up > the login options for your account. The pop up button for "Automatic > login" and the check box for "Use VoiceOver in the login window" should be > undimmed. When you're finished, you can VO-Space on the "Click the lock > to prevent further changes" button to lock things again. > > Hope things are working well now for you. Incidentally, it seems that > with the newer Mac Mini servers that come with both Lion server and Lion > preloaded, you don't have to go through the complicated upgrade path you > faced in order to just use the new Man Mini with Lion. > > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Aug 3, 2011, at 13:28, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > >> Hey Lynne: >> >> Sorry to be such a pain but though I found where I can turn on Voiceover >> at the logon screen or log in automaticly, those items are unavailable to >> me. >> >> Any ideas? I must have something turned on or off. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" >> >> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 5:54 PM >> Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server question >> >> >>> Jim >>> >>> Go to User & Groups and under the log-in options, check the Use >>> VoiceOver at the Log-in window option. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> On 3 Aug 2011, at 21:33, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >>> >>> Hi Gang: >>> >>> I've got my server up and running ok; however, I am wondering if there >>> is a way to have voiceover automaticly read the logon screen. I nead to >>> press command-f5 every time I boot the computer. >>> >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> >>> >>> The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy >>> Spirit, in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6348 (20110803) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6348 (20110803) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From rattail4 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 01:00:29 2011 From: rattail4 at gmail.com (mike) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 20:00:29 -0400 Subject: Mac Mini Server question In-Reply-To: <360FECBE63004D8ABDE05B356ED398E0@MainComputer> References: <2FDCA84D9B7F409392490590403ADD10@MainComputer><07413927-7EBD-448B-A96E-CD438E3DC470@mac-access.net> <360FECBE63004D8ABDE05B356ED398E0@MainComputer> Message-ID: <6D8572605538433ABECA1B597CC70342@mquadPC> be sure to unlock the pane, those are locked by default -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jim Noseworthy" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 19:28 To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server question > Hey Lynne: > > Sorry to be such a pain but though I found where I can turn on Voiceover > at the logon screen or log in automaticly, those items are unavailable to > me. > > Any ideas? I must have something turned on or off. > > Thanks. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 5:54 PM > Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server question > > >> Jim >> >> Go to User & Groups and under the log-in options, check the Use VoiceOver >> at the Log-in window option. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 3 Aug 2011, at 21:33, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >> >> Hi Gang: >> >> I've got my server up and running ok; however, I am wondering if there is >> a way to have voiceover automaticly read the logon screen. I nead to >> press command-f5 every time I boot the computer. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> >> The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy >> Spirit, in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 6348 (20110803) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 6348 (20110803) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6348 (20110803) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 01:03:10 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:03:10 -0700 Subject: Tip; Sorting Your Dock ITems In-Reply-To: <4A3190D1-CCC2-463A-A97B-20F475C1F3B9@gmail.com> References: <8BF59337-7E8E-4537-B7F1-BD003E845DFC@mac-access.net> <2BCDEBEB-FBFC-4E48-A675-4D04F8E82C98@gmail.com> <4A3190D1-CCC2-463A-A97B-20F475C1F3B9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hmm thought i read about it in the vo appendices they list. Ok. lol! but ti does work and I"m in the midst of reorganizing my dock. Take care all. On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:50 PM, rossy wrote: > in fact it is a system short cut and i agree it is a great short cut. > rossy > > Il giorno 03/ago/2011, alle ore 22:48, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ha scritto: > >> Hello Sarah >> >> I don't think this is a VO shortcut. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 3 Aug 2011, at 18:55, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >> Oh yeah. I use this shortcut all the time. it is very very useful and I think is dissc used in one of the vo appendices I read once. lol! I hate that shortcut though.I wish there was a way just to do it with out thinking about it lol! >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 01:05:36 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:05:36 -0700 Subject: iTunes behaves differently in Lion In-Reply-To: <039ECB52-478D-4753-B646-30B8AA77C4A9@gmail.com> References: <039ECB52-478D-4753-B646-30B8AA77C4A9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <10CF86B2-6E2F-433F-80D6-9E30A91E080C@gmail.com> I'm having the same issue. I would file a bug with apple at http://bugreport.apple.com and see if they can address it. Remember to upload any logs you might think might help as well On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: > Since using Lion, iTunes functions differently than before and I'm wondering how to get it to behave like the old days. I used to be able to arrow through my list of songs with the up and down arrows. Now I need VO with them. I also used to be able to type the first few letters of a song and it would go to that song. I can't do that anymore. Why is it that everything in Lion seems to revolve around tables and there's no way to change that,, or is there and I just don't know? I'm pulling my hair out! > > Kristeen Hughes > khwicca at gmail.com > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 01:06:26 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 17:06:26 -0700 Subject: Is it possible to Move and Merge Folders in Lion? In-Reply-To: <9DC56A5E-98B0-4C6C-AAC0-8F9D46C11BC4@mac-access.net> References: <9DC56A5E-98B0-4C6C-AAC0-8F9D46C11BC4@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <7B26AA3B-78AF-45A3-9A04-562CC8C9BDF2@gmail.com> It is, but I can't get it to work, or I"m not doing it right. Take care all. On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:11 PM, John Panarese wrote: > Please correct me if I am entirely wrong, but I recall reading somewhere that if you drag a folder onto another, you have the option to merge those folders. Of course, now that I need the info, I can't find where I thought I had read it, but I am fairly certain this was a new feature in Lion. > > Take Care > John Panarese > jpanarese at mac-access.net > > > > On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: > >> Hi Zack, John, Paul and All, >> >> >> >> Has anyone tried merging 2 folders using just the commands in Lion? One of the things I like most about MoveAddict is it's intelligent and flexible behavior when merging folders that contain files and subfolders with duplicate names. I gave this a quick test using Lion's Command+C and Command+Option+V to attempt to merge two folders of the same name that contained a mix of different and same-named files. While Lion presented a warning dialog telling me a folder of the same name already exists, when I chose to continue it did not merge, just seems to have blown away the target folder and files and replaced it with the source. I did the usual digging for answers but didn't yet find any Lion command that would perform a move and merge in one stroke as MoveAddict does so well. >> >> Any thoughts? >> Thanks, >> Bryan >> >> On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:04 PM, John Panarese wrote: >>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>> I'm puzzled, as I've never had those files "disappear" after a Lion reboot. THe feature has always worked as described for me, and I've actually removed Move Addict as unnecessary myself. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Thu Aug 4 01:12:10 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 01:12:10 +0100 Subject: iTunes behaves differently in Lion In-Reply-To: <10CF86B2-6E2F-433F-80D6-9E30A91E080C@gmail.com> References: <039ECB52-478D-4753-B646-30B8AA77C4A9@gmail.com> <10CF86B2-6E2F-433F-80D6-9E30A91E080C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <86CBF0CC-F7C2-4C6C-9B65-0943336A336D@virginmedia.com> Hi there! As far as I know this is a Itunes thing! If I'm reading some of the post's right those people who've gone to Itunes 10.4 even in snowlepard get these issue's! Unless someone say's different! Colin PS I'm still on the previous Itunes! On 4 Aug 2011, at 01:05, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I'm having the same issue. I would file a bug with apple at http://bugreport.apple.com and see if they can address it. Remember to upload any logs you might think might help as well > On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: > >> Since using Lion, iTunes functions differently than before and I'm wondering how to get it to behave like the old days. I used to be able to arrow through my list of songs with the up and down arrows. Now I need VO with them. I also used to be able to type the first few letters of a song and it would go to that song. I can't do that anymore. Why is it that everything in Lion seems to revolve around tables and there's no way to change that,, or is there and I just don't know? I'm pulling my hair out! >> >> Kristeen Hughes >> khwicca at gmail.com >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Thu Aug 4 01:17:16 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 19:17:16 -0500 Subject: Cocktail, anyone had trouble running this under Lion? In-Reply-To: <9CF061E9-E682-48CC-B921-23C69CC7FCE1@internode.on.net> References: <9CF061E9-E682-48CC-B921-23C69CC7FCE1@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <7A89378A-F719-4BD5-A236-FA31ED3A024E@charter.net> There is a separate beta of cocktail for lion, the snow leppard version will not work. Also, in lion, make sure you have a password set for your account. Not having a password and just pressing enter does not work in lion. On Aug 3, 2011, at 8:25 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Subject line asks the question , I now can't get this to work. > > Whenever I launch the software it opens but there are no windows, menus etc. > > If I focus to the application and press return, it seems the application quits, has anyone else had this sort of problem? > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Thu Aug 4 01:24:16 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 14:24:16 -1000 Subject: iTunes behaves differently in Lion In-Reply-To: <10CF86B2-6E2F-433F-80D6-9E30A91E080C@gmail.com> References: <039ECB52-478D-4753-B646-30B8AA77C4A9@gmail.com> <10CF86B2-6E2F-433F-80D6-9E30A91E080C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <112B7AE1-6F14-42B0-A20A-135333215AEC@mac.com> Hi Kristeen and Sarah, I believe this is the iTunes 10.4 update, which is separate from the update to OS X 10.7 Lion. It's true that this version of iTunes is supposed to be optimized for Lion, but I think the issues may be with iTunes rather than Lion. Cheers, Esther On Aug 3, 2011, at 14:05, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I'm having the same issue. I would file a bug with apple at http://bugreport.apple.com and see if they can address it. Remember to upload any logs you might think might help as well > On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: > >> Since using Lion, iTunes functions differently than before and I'm wondering how to get it to behave like the old days. I used to be able to arrow through my list of songs with the up and down arrows. Now I need VO with them. I also used to be able to type the first few letters of a song and it would go to that song. I can't do that anymore. Why is it that everything in Lion seems to revolve around tables and there's no way to change that,, or is there and I just don't know? I'm pulling my hair out! >> >> Kristeen Hughes >> khwicca at gmail.com >> >> From doug.cam3 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 01:52:30 2011 From: doug.cam3 at gmail.com (douglas rudolph) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:52:30 -0600 Subject: Flaming In-Reply-To: References: <89B8F8E6-376F-4C33-8936-08AE3A15C329@mac-access.net> Message-ID: hey!.. i agree, personally, i just gave up reading her messages, because they were very twisted, and there are many of us, who well, do get a little, pathetic on some topics, but can control it nomrally!..:D... hope everything is okay with ur family out there!!!!... This email may contain personal identifyable information. Copy, relay, redistributions, and or reading of these emails is strictly prohibited, unless you are the intended recipiant of this email, and this intended recipiant only. If this is not the intended recipiant, then you are requested to delete this message immediately and notify sender. 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Any member who does it will be moderated and, if >> necessary, removed; end of story. I sincerely hope it won't be necessary. >> >> Gordon and I totally acknowledge that we aren't above making mistakes; >> and we've made a few recently. We too need to take more care in how we >> say what we say, and that we will do. But those who are determined, like >> Linda, to twist what others say to suit their own purposes won't be >> pacified in future; I will simply do what's necessary for the good of the >> group. As Leonard Nimoy (alias Mr. Spock) so famously said, "The needs of >> the many outweigh the needs of the few; or the one". That is how it will >> be. >> >> Lynne >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Gordon & Lynne Smith, >> >> Are you an iOS or Mac OS fan? If so, consider joining our vibrant >> community of fellow-enthusiasts. To join our forum, send a message to: >> >> with the word "subscribe" [no quotes] in the subject line of your >> message. Or else, visit: >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 02:20:30 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 18:20:30 -0700 Subject: iTunes behaves differently in Lion In-Reply-To: <112B7AE1-6F14-42B0-A20A-135333215AEC@mac.com> References: <039ECB52-478D-4753-B646-30B8AA77C4A9@gmail.com> <10CF86B2-6E2F-433F-80D6-9E30A91E080C@gmail.com> <112B7AE1-6F14-42B0-A20A-135333215AEC@mac.com> Message-ID: I also think so. I would still bug it. I think there's an iTunes section there. I could be wrong but I would also email accessibility at apple.comwith a detailed bug report if possible.. Take care all. On Aug 3, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Kristeen and Sarah, > > I believe this is the iTunes 10.4 update, which is separate from the update to OS X 10.7 Lion. It's true that this version of iTunes is supposed to be optimized for Lion, but I think the issues may be with iTunes rather than Lion. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Aug 3, 2011, at 14:05, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I'm having the same issue. I would file a bug with apple at http://bugreport.apple.com and see if they can address it. Remember to upload any logs you might think might help as well >> On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: >> >>> Since using Lion, iTunes functions differently than before and I'm wondering how to get it to behave like the old days. I used to be able to arrow through my list of songs with the up and down arrows. Now I need VO with them. I also used to be able to type the first few letters of a song and it would go to that song. I can't do that anymore. Why is it that everything in Lion seems to revolve around tables and there's no way to change that,, or is there and I just don't know? I'm pulling my hair out! >>> >>> Kristeen Hughes >>> khwicca at gmail.com >>> >>> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 04:35:48 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 04:35:48 +0100 Subject: Important List Policy Change; Please read! Message-ID: Hello everybody Please be advised that a significant update has just been made to the list policy document which you may read at any time. You may find this document at: . We have, with the greatest of reluctance, just implemented a significant list policy change which will affect any new subscribers to the group. From this point onward, anybody applying to join this group must now be approved by either one of the list controllers or by ourselves as the list owners; usually the latter, as we have no desire to add to the burden placed on our assistants. This step is something we have, as I said, taken most reluctantly owing to the unacceptable number of times we're getting people coming to us saying "Will you remove me from this list". Put simply, we just don't have the time to continually keep modifying people's memberships in this way, with the best will in the word. We have lives to live; and we're not here 24/7 to manage subscriptions. Therefore, we now feel that the only way we can really find out if somebody is interested, as well as guard against the unwanted, is to vet all subscription requests manually and, thereby we hope to reduce to a minimum the number of people who join for a couple of days or, as has happened recently, join to take advantage of our discount offers and then leave. That latter practice is intolerable, and won't be permitted to continue as it puts both the group as a whole and also our relationship with developers and vendors in jeopardy. Thus. we have opted to take this step. Those of you still awaiting our fulfilment of your request to remove you from the group, please be advised that there are links to remove yourself in the headers of each message which is delivered to this group. If you do not have headers displayed, please see the links at the foot of this and all posted messages for further assistance. Our request that you do this yourself is nothing personal. It's simply a matter of time; we don't have enough of it. It is now past 4 in the morning our time, and neither Gordon nor I have slept for 2 nights now due to problems we are currently facing. This type of problem is the reason why we have had to try and reduce the amount of unnecessary support requests. It wouldn't be fair to impose upon our assistant list controllers to do this work; they also have lives to live and we do not wish to alienate anybody. We regret any inconvenience this may cause to you. If you really really really can't manage to remove yourself or if there are any extenuating circumstances, we are not unreasonable; and we will listen to your explanations. But we feel that in the ordinary event it is time to act. Further, if you're going on vacation, (holiday), it is not necessary to unsubscribe to prevent the flow of mail to your inbox while you're away. Instead, you simply use your list password as described in the help document which Gordon wrote outlining in very great detail how to manipulate your mail subscription to the groups we run. This document may be found here: and it will, amongst other useful command syntax, detail how to temporarily suspend mail by use of the "Set Delivery" command. As always if you have questions or comments, feel free to write us off list by means of the support address. We don't object in the slightest to helping anybody; it's just the unnecessary which we are trying to reduce. Lynne ------------------------------ Gordon & Lynne Smith, Are you an iOS or Mac OS fan? If so, consider joining our vibrant community of fellow-enthusiasts. To join our forum, send a message to: with the word "subscribe" [no quotes] in the subject line of your message. Or else, visit: ------------------------------ From support at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 04:38:07 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 04:38:07 +0100 Subject: New Member Welcome Message-ID: <00F54025-6B39-4CE2-9CEB-D0E17880ADBE@mac-access.net> Hello everybody It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome "Randy Stegall" to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but have a keen interest. We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope this clarifies the position. If you have any list-related queries, please do not hesitate to contact either Gordon and myself, (the list owners), at , or one of our very capable assistant list controllers; Anne Robertson, or James Austin, and we will be happy to help you. Once again, a very warm welcome to the group. We hope you find your membership an enjoyable experience. Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne ------------------------------ Gordon & Lynne Smith, Are you an iOS or Mac OS fan? If so, consider joining our vibrant community of fellow-enthusiasts. To join our forum, send a message to: with the word "subscribe" [no quotes] in the subject line of your message. Or else, visit: ------------------------------ From moriond at mac.com Thu Aug 4 04:55:17 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 17:55:17 -1000 Subject: WQuestion about 1 password on Lion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <08483970-95C5-4823-B5BB-6FFB3BDA3FC9@mac.com> Hi Paul, I've been reading some of the feedback comments of users of 1Password under Lion, and there have been many people who have been asking for revisions. There seem to be a number of updates being distributed. The most recent official one is 1Password 3.7.1 posted yesterday. I think this is currently a bit of a moving target, and the conclusion that operations are more difficult under Lion is not a VoiceOver only complaint. So I don't think this has been discussed yet on list, and it certainly hasn't come to a resolution. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Aug 3, 2011, at 09:56, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello, > I believe some of you use 1 password on Lion. > > On Snow Leopard I used to start 1 password, enter my master password, go to the Logins table to locate a web site of interest, and press Command+Option+Return. this started Safari, opened the required web page and automatically input my user name and password so that I am ready to do secure things. > > If I do the above on Lion Safari automatically starts and opens the correct web page but does not automatically fill in the name and password. If while Safari is open I tab back to my 1 password window and press Command+Option+Return again then my user name and password are usually automatically entered. However this is all more difficult than it was on Snow Leopard. > > I believe I am using the latest beta version of 1 password. > > Any hints on the easiest way to login to a web site using 1 password on Lion? > > Sorry if this has already been discussed and I have missed it. > > Paul Hopewell From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 04:55:52 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 04:55:52 +0100 Subject: Mac Mini Server question In-Reply-To: References: <2FDCA84D9B7F409392490590403ADD10@MainComputer> <07413927-7EBD-448B-A96E-CD438E3DC470@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Jim No, it's in system preferences. Lynne On 3 Aug 2011, at 23:22, Jim Noseworthy wrote: Lynne: Am I to find that option in SERVER.APP? Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 5:54 PM Subject: Re: Mac Mini Server question > Jim > > Go to User & Groups and under the log-in options, check the Use VoiceOver at the Log-in window option. > > Lynne > > On 3 Aug 2011, at 21:33, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > Hi Gang: > > I've got my server up and running ok; however, I am wondering if there is a way to have voiceover automaticly read the logon screen. I nead to press command-f5 every time I boot the computer. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy Spirit, in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6348 (20110803) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6348 (20110803) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From moriond at mac.com Thu Aug 4 05:21:53 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2011 18:21:53 -1000 Subject: Disabling Lion Server Message-ID: <5E48B972-D2CE-4347-A22B-465C6BE1E9EC@mac.com> Hi All, In connection with Jim's current work on getting one of the new Mac Mini server versions running under Lion, here's a link to an Apple Support document on disabling the Lion Server functions. ? How to disable Lion Server http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4827 Apple provided this information to someone else who was interested in using the Mac Mini server release just to run the regular OS X Lion (and not Lion Server). The Apple Store description seems to indicate that new model Mac Mini Servers are shipping with both Lion and Lion Server installed. (I'm not sure that is true yet of the models you buy from third party sources -- they may still arrive with Snow Leopard Server installed, and require upgrading.) Hope this will be useful to others, and maybe also to Jim. Cheers, Esther From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 06:04:46 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 06:04:46 +0100 Subject: Disabling Lion Server In-Reply-To: <5E48B972-D2CE-4347-A22B-465C6BE1E9EC@mac.com> References: <5E48B972-D2CE-4347-A22B-465C6BE1E9EC@mac.com> Message-ID: <215777B4-9EED-4197-9FF5-7DC737EFB8C2@mac-access.net> Hello Esther No, there are two versions of the Mac Mini as indicated on the Apple website. One comes with Lion and the other with Server. This is an interesting article, and I confess that we didn't know you could disable the Server either. Actually we are having a problem doing the reverse, enabling a part of the server. Apple has really goofed on its configuration of the web element, (Apache) in Lion Server in my opinion. The only directive configuration possible is the location of the file, unless you count who can access the content and the IP address. I am struggling to get this sorted, so I configured a website whose properties are that anybody can access it, it's set for the default static IP, and it points to the home folder of the specific site. But Apple no longer lets you set up web aliases, set up individual index files, nothing like that is supported any longer. Frankly I'm currently considering our options; but the Apache configuration of Lion isn't an upgrade, it's a downgrade! Gordon On 4 Aug 2011, at 05:21, Esther wrote: Hi All, In connection with Jim's current work on getting one of the new Mac Mini server versions running under Lion, here's a link to an Apple Support document on disabling the Lion Server functions. ? How to disable Lion Server http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4827 Apple provided this information to someone else who was interested in using the Mac Mini server release just to run the regular OS X Lion (and not Lion Server). The Apple Store description seems to indicate that new model Mac Mini Servers are shipping with both Lion and Lion Server installed. (I'm not sure that is true yet of the models you buy from third party sources -- they may still arrive with Snow Leopard Server installed, and require upgrading.) Hope this will be useful to others, and maybe also to Jim. Cheers, Esther <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From khwicca at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 06:37:30 2011 From: khwicca at gmail.com (Kristeen Hughes) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 01:37:30 -0400 Subject: iTunes behaves differently in Lion In-Reply-To: <86CBF0CC-F7C2-4C6C-9B65-0943336A336D@virginmedia.com> References: <039ECB52-478D-4753-B646-30B8AA77C4A9@gmail.com> <10CF86B2-6E2F-433F-80D6-9E30A91E080C@gmail.com> <86CBF0CC-F7C2-4C6C-9B65-0943336A336D@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: Can one go back to a previous iTunes, or is this not possible? Kristeen On Aug 3, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi there! > As far as I know this is a Itunes thing! > If I'm reading some of the post's right those people who've gone to Itunes 10.4 even in snowlepard get these issue's! > Unless someone say's different! > Colin > PS I'm still on the previous Itunes! > > On 4 Aug 2011, at 01:05, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I'm having the same issue. I would file a bug with apple at http://bugreport.apple.com and see if they can address it. Remember to upload any logs you might think might help as well >> On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: >> >>> Since using Lion, iTunes functions differently than before and I'm wondering how to get it to behave like the old days. I used to be able to arrow through my list of songs with the up and down arrows. Now I need VO with them. I also used to be able to type the first few letters of a song and it would go to that song. I can't do that anymore. Why is it that everything in Lion seems to revolve around tables and there's no way to change that,, or is there and I just don't know? I'm pulling my hair out! >>> >>> Kristeen Hughes >>> khwicca at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Kristeen Hughes khwicca at gmail.com From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 06:44:50 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 06:44:50 +0100 Subject: Crucial Website Message-ID: <5AC76F4F-4B73-4F3F-BD9D-A168FD7A99F3@mac-access.net> Hi all Anybody managed to successfully navigate the crucial.com website using VO and Safari? I'm trying to buy some extra memory for one of our machines, (so I can't use their scanner). So I select my machine type and model. But from there nothing seems to happen when I click the memory adviser link. Thoughts? Gordon From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 06:49:12 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 07:49:12 +0200 Subject: Tip; Sorting Your Dock ITems In-Reply-To: References: <8BF59337-7E8E-4537-B7F1-BD003E845DFC@mac-access.net> <2BCDEBEB-FBFC-4E48-A675-4D04F8E82C98@gmail.com> <4A3190D1-CCC2-463A-A97B-20F475C1F3B9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0FD0E85B-970B-44B2-8900-FB0EF2D1977F@gmail.com> Hi Sarah, It may have been listed there, but even without VoiceOver this command works. I still find it strange there are two of them, as both actually work with VoiceOver disabled and from what I can tell, there is no difference between the commands except the fact that VoiceOver announces the change if using Option-Command-right or left arrow, as opposed to option-right and left arrow. Regards, Nic On Aug 4, 2011, at 2:03 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Hmm thought i read about it in the vo appendices they list. Ok. lol! but ti does work and I"m in the midst of reorganizing my dock. > > Take care all. > On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:50 PM, rossy wrote: > >> in fact it is a system short cut and i agree it is a great short cut. >> rossy >> >> Il giorno 03/ago/2011, alle ore 22:48, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith ha scritto: >> >>> Hello Sarah >>> >>> I don't think this is a VO shortcut. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> On 3 Aug 2011, at 18:55, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> >>> Oh yeah. I use this shortcut all the time. it is very very useful and I think is dissc used in one of the vo appendices I read once. lol! I hate that shortcut though.I wish there was a way just to do it with out thinking about it lol! >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 06:53:28 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 00:53:28 -0500 Subject: iTunes behaves differently in Lion References: <039ECB52-478D-4753-B646-30B8AA77C4A9@gmail.com><10CF86B2-6E2F-433F-80D6-9E30A91E080C@gmail.com><86CBF0CC-F7C2-4C6C-9B65-0943336A336D@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: Hi Kristeen and list, It's like swatting a fly with a hammer, but Lion installs with iTunes 10.3. Therefore you have the option of doing a clean reinstall of lion and decline the iTunes update. Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Kristeen Hughes To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 12:37 AM Subject: Re: iTunes behaves differently in Lion Can one go back to a previous iTunes, or is this not possible? Kristeen On Aug 3, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi there! > As far as I know this is a Itunes thing! > If I'm reading some of the post's right those people who've gone to Itunes 10.4 even in snowlepard get these issue's! > Unless someone say's different! > Colin > PS I'm still on the previous Itunes! > > On 4 Aug 2011, at 01:05, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I'm having the same issue. I would file a bug with apple at http://bugreport.apple.com and see if they can address it. Remember to upload any logs you might think might help as well >> On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: >> >>> Since using Lion, iTunes functions differently than before and I'm wondering how to get it to behave like the old days. I used to be able to arrow through my list of songs with the up and down arrows. Now I need VO with them. I also used to be able to type the first few letters of a song and it would go to that song. I can't do that anymore. Why is it that everything in Lion seems to revolve around tables and there's no way to change that,, or is there and I just don't know? I'm pulling my hair out! >>> >>> Kristeen Hughes >>> khwicca at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Kristeen Hughes khwicca at gmail.com <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 07:06:58 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 07:06:58 +0100 Subject: The New Mac Mini Message-ID: <8694CC7A-2307-4139-9E6B-2E8106FAA6EC@mac-access.net> Hi all I see that Apple has now done away totally with the Intel Core 2 Duo processors in the Mac Mini range, and now their lowest client machine has an I5 processor in it, 2.5 GHZ. That's pretty darn good for the price, I have to admit. I'm not sure how much memory it has; but I can't deny I'm tempted to buy one of those machines as it would run Server without a problem and I'm planning to upgrade the memory in our new server so I could easily put the memory out of that one into the client if it has 2GB which I'm sure it has, then it would have 4. I'm seriously thinking about doing it right now. I'm also going to get my other half a MacBook Air for her birthday; as that machine would be absolutely ideal for her when she's doing admin work here. Currently she uses a MacBook Pro 17-inch but its obviously big and pretty cumbersome for her to sit on her lap. Lynne and I like to work together, although on different machines, obviously. And the Air is small, speedy and light (just like her). It looks to be a very very high spec machine and I know that Anne Robertson uses one and is very impressed by it. If Anne says it's alright, then so it must be. So that's Lynne's birthday box sorted. Anyway I am waffling. If anybody has experience of the new I5 Mac Mini, (the one that, in the UK store at least, still ships without Server), I'd love to hear about how you find it. Actually on reflection I can't remember just how big the HD is in that machine. Oh, and finally, does anybody know if it's possible to upgrade the drive or drives in a new Mac Mini as in do it yourself? I'm also toying with the idea of buying a couple of SSD drives for our new server. Gordon Gordon From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 07:30:27 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 07:30:27 +0100 Subject: Magic Trackpad: I'm a convert! Message-ID: <52B2F731-EE09-431A-B9BE-9CD3DD330144@mac-access.net> Hi all OK, I have to admit it. Although I really find the trackpad on the MacBook Pro a bit of a pain because it gets in my way when typing, it's too small, and so it goes on. Since Lynne bought us a couple of Magic Trackpads about 2 or 3 weeks back, I now can't quite believe I ever managed to live without this little tablet. It makes reading and interacting with websites a total breeze, and it goes quite some way towards eliminating the need for keys. obviously not if there's editing to do, but for genera reading it's super duper! I have to admit that I even use a Blue Tooth keyboard now with our MacBooks and prefer to use the machine that way rather than have the MBP sitting on my lap taking up space. It's just so much more convenient. How did we ever live without these boxes of magic? Gordon From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Aug 4 08:03:31 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 08:03:31 +0100 Subject: Magic Trackpad: I'm a convert! In-Reply-To: <52B2F731-EE09-431A-B9BE-9CD3DD330144@mac-access.net> References: <52B2F731-EE09-431A-B9BE-9CD3DD330144@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Gordon, I totally agree. I own a Macbook and a iMac. I tend to use my iMac more, as like you say the trackpad on the Macbook just gets in the way sometimes when typing. I also prefer the bigger keys and number pad on my iMac. Then there is the magic trackpad, makes life so much easier. Chris On 4 Aug 2011, at 07:30, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > OK, I have to admit it. Although I really find the trackpad on the MacBook Pro a bit of a pain because it gets in my way when typing, it's too small, and so it goes on. Since Lynne bought us a couple of Magic Trackpads about 2 or 3 weeks back, I now can't quite believe I ever managed to live without this little tablet. It makes reading and interacting with websites a total breeze, and it goes quite some way towards eliminating the need for keys. obviously not if there's editing to do, but for genera reading it's super duper! > > I have to admit that I even use a Blue Tooth keyboard now with our MacBooks and prefer to use the machine that way rather than have the MBP sitting on my lap taking up space. It's just so much more convenient. How did we ever live without these boxes of magic? > > Gordon > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 07:41:54 2011 From: skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com (Kliph&Sharrie) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 01:41:54 -0500 Subject: Crucial Website In-Reply-To: <5AC76F4F-4B73-4F3F-BD9D-A168FD7A99F3@mac-access.net> References: <5AC76F4F-4B73-4F3F-BD9D-A168FD7A99F3@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <73E8B4B9-5650-479F-B9E9-9CA56DF27440@gmail.com> I did it just fine. The thing is it didn't let me choose my machine and model. So I just let it scan my mac and everything was fine. Granted, this was with sl, and Haven't went there since. Maybe I will to see if I have same success. Email me off list tomorrow and I'll let you know skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com Thanks. HTH Kliphton SR (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Marriage group)http://groups.google.com/group/committed-married-christians On Aug 4, 2011, at 12:44 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Anybody managed to successfully navigate the crucial.com website using VO and Safari? I'm trying to buy some extra memory for one of our machines, (so I can't use their scanner). So I select my machine type and model. But from there nothing seems to happen when I click the memory adviser link. Thoughts? > > Gordon > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 08:25:01 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:25:01 +0200 Subject: Crucial Website In-Reply-To: <73E8B4B9-5650-479F-B9E9-9CA56DF27440@gmail.com> References: <5AC76F4F-4B73-4F3F-BD9D-A168FD7A99F3@mac-access.net> <73E8B4B9-5650-479F-B9E9-9CA56DF27440@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi! I have to admit that I did the same, using the scanner and just letting it take me on a fun ride, even though I partly knew what to upgrade. I dod go ahead and try picking machines, but I seemed to not have an issue with this. It seems to work fine here, though the labels may be a bit lengthy, but they show fine as popup buttons. I also appreciate the recommendation for this website. Even with the shipping cost, it costs a lot less to upgrade than it would to buy this from an Apple store locally. So, Gordon, I thank you for all the money I'll save. :) Regards, Nic On Aug 4, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > I did it just fine. The thing is it didn't let me choose my machine and model. So I just let it scan my mac and everything was fine. Granted, this was with sl, and Haven't went there since. Maybe I will to see if I have same success. Email me off list tomorrow and I'll let you know > skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com > Thanks. HTH > Kliphton SR > (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 > (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com > (Marriage group)http://groups.google.com/group/committed-married-christians > > On Aug 4, 2011, at 12:44 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Anybody managed to successfully navigate the crucial.com website using VO and Safari? I'm trying to buy some extra memory for one of our machines, (so I can't use their scanner). So I select my machine type and model. But from there nothing seems to happen when I click the memory adviser link. Thoughts? >> >> Gordon >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 09:01:00 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:01:00 +0100 Subject: Magic Trackpad: I'm a convert! In-Reply-To: References: <52B2F731-EE09-431A-B9BE-9CD3DD330144@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Chris I'm contemplating an iMac actually, although I confess the prices are a bit steep. There definitely are advantages though, and most of the time I use a Blue Tooth keyboard on the MacBook Pros. I just prefer to sit with the keyboard on my lap rather than the full machine. But yes, the TRackpad is excellent I just need to figure out how the heck you disable the internal one while keeping the Magic rack pad active. BTW I seem to have turned on the screen curtain somehow and I can't remember how to turn it back off. Any thoughts? Gordon On 4 Aug 2011, at 08:03, Chris Moore wrote: Gordon, I totally agree. I own a Macbook and a iMac. I tend to use my iMac more, as like you say the trackpad on the Macbook just gets in the way sometimes when typing. I also prefer the bigger keys and number pad on my iMac. Then there is the magic trackpad, makes life so much easier. Chris On 4 Aug 2011, at 07:30, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > OK, I have to admit it. Although I really find the trackpad on the MacBook Pro a bit of a pain because it gets in my way when typing, it's too small, and so it goes on. Since Lynne bought us a couple of Magic Trackpads about 2 or 3 weeks back, I now can't quite believe I ever managed to live without this little tablet. It makes reading and interacting with websites a total breeze, and it goes quite some way towards eliminating the need for keys. obviously not if there's editing to do, but for genera reading it's super duper! > > I have to admit that I even use a Blue Tooth keyboard now with our MacBooks and prefer to use the machine that way rather than have the MBP sitting on my lap taking up space. It's just so much more convenient. How did we ever live without these boxes of magic? > > Gordon > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 09:03:20 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:03:20 +0100 Subject: Crucial Website In-Reply-To: <73E8B4B9-5650-479F-B9E9-9CA56DF27440@gmail.com> References: <5AC76F4F-4B73-4F3F-BD9D-A168FD7A99F3@mac-access.net> <73E8B4B9-5650-479F-B9E9-9CA56DF27440@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8921ACEE-ED53-47BC-8447-2DA3BF10E5F9@mac-access.net> Hi yes, but the point is I cannot do what you did because I don't want it to scan the machine as the memory isn't for this machine. It's letting me get as far as picking my model but after that I get nothing and I don't see another button to proceed. Gordon On 4 Aug 2011, at 07:41, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: I did it just fine. The thing is it didn't let me choose my machine and model. So I just let it scan my mac and everything was fine. Granted, this was with sl, and Haven't went there since. Maybe I will to see if I have same success. Email me off list tomorrow and I'll let you know skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com Thanks. HTH Kliphton SR (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Marriage group)http://groups.google.com/group/committed-married-christians On Aug 4, 2011, at 12:44 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Anybody managed to successfully navigate the crucial.com website using VO and Safari? I'm trying to buy some extra memory for one of our machines, (so I can't use their scanner). So I select my machine type and model. But from there nothing seems to happen when I click the memory adviser link. Thoughts? > > Gordon > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 09:05:18 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:05:18 +0100 Subject: Crucial Website In-Reply-To: References: <5AC76F4F-4B73-4F3F-BD9D-A168FD7A99F3@mac-access.net> <73E8B4B9-5650-479F-B9E9-9CA56DF27440@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0BCFAD95-A2F2-4C91-976B-2BA0B33FB1E7@mac-access.net> Hi Nic AS I said, that's maybe the difference, I can't use the scanner. I want some 1333 MHZ 204-pin DDR3 SDRAM for our server machine. But I don't use that machine for web browsing. Gordon On 4 Aug 2011, at 08:25, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! I have to admit that I did the same, using the scanner and just letting it take me on a fun ride, even though I partly knew what to upgrade. I dod go ahead and try picking machines, but I seemed to not have an issue with this. It seems to work fine here, though the labels may be a bit lengthy, but they show fine as popup buttons. I also appreciate the recommendation for this website. Even with the shipping cost, it costs a lot less to upgrade than it would to buy this from an Apple store locally. So, Gordon, I thank you for all the money I'll save. :) Regards, Nic On Aug 4, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > I did it just fine. The thing is it didn't let me choose my machine and model. So I just let it scan my mac and everything was fine. Granted, this was with sl, and Haven't went there since. Maybe I will to see if I have same success. Email me off list tomorrow and I'll let you know > skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com > Thanks. HTH > Kliphton SR > (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 > (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com > (Marriage group)http://groups.google.com/group/committed-married-christians > > On Aug 4, 2011, at 12:44 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Anybody managed to successfully navigate the crucial.com website using VO and Safari? I'm trying to buy some extra memory for one of our machines, (so I can't use their scanner). So I select my machine type and model. But from there nothing seems to happen when I click the memory adviser link. Thoughts? >> >> Gordon >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From d.griffith at btinternet.com Thu Aug 4 09:17:53 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:17:53 +0100 Subject: Office suite on the Mac Message-ID: <8C76B6FB70B1400B9EAD043D9D19734F@6ffd52c138504d6> Dear list Whilst I am waiting for my I-Mac to be built and delivered I am trying to start on the learning curve of getting to grips with the new system. I am working my way through the podcast on blind Cool tech. I may be looking for support from this group in the next few weeks so I really hope that things do not implode with the list. It has already been a useful resource for me. As a starter question what is the recommended replacement for Microsoft office on the Mac? As I understand it the current Mac office is not accessible with the Mac. My requirements is mainly for using a word Processer and a Spreadsheet, hopefully doc and xls compatible. I use Microsoft Outlook in the current office suite for mail calendar etc but it looks like most are using the native Mac applications here. I think I read on a apple Accessibility page that Open Office is a good free accessible alternative. Do people agree? I see that I-Works is a fairly inexpensive option but it seems that the interface is very different from Office. Given the learning curve I need to undertake with learning about a new operating systems I may delay learning about I-Works if Open Office would be a more familiar interface. Do people think this is a sensible strategy or should I bite the bullet and go for I-Works immediately. I have also read in the last few days people referring to Scrivener. Presumably this is accessible and a Word Processing alternative? Why do people go the scrivener route? Probably enough for now. Sorry for so many questions. David Griffith __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6348 (20110803) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 10:52:08 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 10:52:08 +0100 Subject: Office suite on the Mac In-Reply-To: <8C76B6FB70B1400B9EAD043D9D19734F@6ffd52c138504d6> References: <8C76B6FB70B1400B9EAD043D9D19734F@6ffd52c138504d6> Message-ID: <1F86D7E7-6F91-40B7-ACE5-07A356201FF0@mac-access.net> Hi David Let me try to address a couple of your points. But first, I want to make it absolutely and utterly clear to you that this list will not implode, close or whatever. I run this group, in conjunction with Lynne. We pay for it; we provide its hardware and software resources and you can be absolutely assured that we will not allow the "troublemakers" to spoil this group for the vast majority who use it genuinely as a resource such as you have indicated. Anybody who causes trouble from now on is off the list, end of story. I'm at the end of my tolerance and we're going back to that 0 tolerance policy of flaming which worked so well for six yours or more. I don't care who they are, any trouble causers will be removed, end of story. Right, now that's out of the way, let me try to address your genuine questions. First of all you talk about Office. There are two options as I see it, both of which have advantages. Apple iWork, now available individually as apps from the App Store, has its advantages. Pages, in particular, as a word processor, is excellent in my view. As is Nisus Writer Pro, available from is an excellent word processor in its own right and there's no doubt that it has its advantages over Pages. Conversely, it also has disadvantages, in my view. But that's a debatable point. For Excel spreadsheets, you have two choices as I see it. Again you could use Numbers, available from the App Store, and I am sure you can get a lot of advice on its use in this group. Alternatively, there is a much more accessible programme, in my opinion, called "Tabled" Tables is a shareware product if I remember rightly. I am just starting out in its use, but I prefer it, I think, over Numbers because you always have clear indication from VoiceOver as to where you are going. The most recent version of Tables is v1..5.7 and this version addresses previous issues with Excel import. It works fine under Lion, so no problems there. I'm sorry, I cannot recall the URL but if you google it, do a search for "Tables for Mac" I'm sure you'll find it. I strongly suggest that you don't go too far before you get your Mac. I have found, and those whom I have helped first hand seemed to find that hands-on is the best way to learn. It often seems to be the case that just listening to Podcasts leaves the learner with a very false impression and they usually find they have to start learning all over again when they get their machine. Just my comments for whatever they're worth; take them or leave them. Gordon On 4 Aug 2011, at 09:17, David Griffith wrote: Dear list Whilst I am waiting for my I-Mac to be built and delivered I am trying to start on the learning curve of getting to grips with the new system. I am working my way through the podcast on blind Cool tech. I may be looking for support from this group in the next few weeks so I really hope that things do not implode with the list. It has already been a useful resource for me. As a starter question what is the recommended replacement for Microsoft office on the Mac? As I understand it the current Mac office is not accessible with the Mac. My requirements is mainly for using a word Processer and a Spreadsheet, hopefully doc and xls compatible. I use Microsoft Outlook in the current office suite for mail calendar etc but it looks like most are using the native Mac applications here. I think I read on a apple Accessibility page that Open Office is a good free accessible alternative. Do people agree? I see that I-Works is a fairly inexpensive option but it seems that the interface is very different from Office. Given the learning curve I need to undertake with learning about a new operating systems I may delay learning about I-Works if Open Office would be a more familiar interface. Do people think this is a sensible strategy or should I bite the bullet and go for I-Works immediately. I have also read in the last few days people referring to Scrivener. Presumably this is accessible and a Word Processing alternative? Why do people go the scrivener route? Probably enough for now. Sorry for so many questions. David Griffith __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6348 (20110803) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordonkeen at googlemail.com Thu Aug 4 11:09:51 2011 From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 11:09:51 +0100 Subject: Office suite on the Mac In-Reply-To: <1F86D7E7-6F91-40B7-ACE5-07A356201FF0@mac-access.net> References: <8C76B6FB70B1400B9EAD043D9D19734F@6ffd52c138504d6> <1F86D7E7-6F91-40B7-ACE5-07A356201FF0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <86DC328B-E7E0-4853-812E-D3C795541BDE@googlemail.com> Hi My alter ego is absolutely correct of course but could I also urge you not to take it too fast, time taken just using the apps that come built in will be time very well spent and don't try and add new stuff before you have mastered the basics. It took me about a month to get comfortable with the switch, that was three years ago and while I would never go back to the dark side I am still learning - yeah I know it could just be me being thick! Enjoy the mac when it arrives I'm sure you will love it. G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. On 4 Aug 2011, at 10:52, Gordon Smith wrote: > Right, now that's out of the way, let me try to address your genuine questions. First of all you talk about Office. There are two options as I see it, both of which have advantages. Apple iWork, now available individually as apps from the App Store, has its advantages. Pages, in particular, as a word processor, is excellent in my view. As is Nisus Writer Pro, available from is an excellent word processor in its own right and there's no doubt that it has its advantages over Pages. Conversely, it also has disadvantages, in my view. But that's a debatable point. > > For Excel spreadsheets, you have two choices as I see it. Again you could use Numbers, available from the App Store, and I am sure you can get a lot of advice on its use in this group. Alternatively, there is a much more accessible programme, in my opinion, called "Tabled" Tables is a shareware product if I remember rightly. I am just starting out in its use, but I prefer it, I think, over Numbers because you always have clear indication from VoiceOver as to where you are going. > > The most recent version of Tables is v1..5.7 and this version addresses previous issues with Excel import. It works fine under Lion, so no problems there. I'm sorry, I cannot recall the URL but if you google it, do a search for "Tables for Mac" I'm sure you'll find it. > > I strongly suggest that you don't go too far before you get your Mac. I have found, and those whom I have helped first hand seemed to find that hands-on is the best way to learn. It often seems to be the case that just listening to Podcasts leaves the learner with a very false impression and they usually find they have to start learning all over again when they get their machine. > > Just my comments for whatever they're worth; take them or leave them. > > Gordon > > > On 4 Aug 2011, at 09:17, David Griffith wrote: > > Dear list > > Whilst I am waiting for my I-Mac to be built and delivered I am trying to > start on the learning curve of getting to grips with the new system. I am > working my way through the podcast on blind Cool tech. I may be looking for > support from this group in the next few weeks so I really hope that things > do not implode with the list. It has already been a useful resource for me. > > As a starter question what is the recommended replacement for Microsoft > office on the Mac? As I understand it the current Mac office is not > accessible with the Mac. My requirements is mainly for using a word > Processer and a Spreadsheet, hopefully doc and xls compatible. I use > Microsoft Outlook in the current office suite for mail calendar etc but it > looks like most are using the native Mac applications here. > I think I read on a apple Accessibility page that Open Office is a good free > accessible alternative. Do people agree? I see that I-Works is a fairly > inexpensive option but it seems that the interface is very different from > Office. Given the learning curve I need to undertake with learning about a > new operating systems I may delay learning about I-Works if Open Office > would be a more familiar interface. Do people think this is a sensible > strategy or should I bite the bullet and go for I-Works immediately. > I have also read in the last few days people referring to Scrivener. > Presumably this is accessible and a Word Processing alternative? Why do > people go the scrivener route? > > Probably enough for now. > Sorry for so many questions. > > > David Griffith > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6348 (20110803) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 11:31:05 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 06:31:05 -0400 Subject: Crucial Website In-Reply-To: <5AC76F4F-4B73-4F3F-BD9D-A168FD7A99F3@mac-access.net> References: <5AC76F4F-4B73-4F3F-BD9D-A168FD7A99F3@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4e3a7504.48b5dc0a.1f62.1b77@mx.google.com> While I've never used the Crucial site, I doubt you need to use their advisor. The "about this Mac" will tell you what type of memory you need and a little research will tell you the max your computer will accept if you don't already know it. Kevin At 01:44 AM 8/4/2011, you wrote: >Hi all > >Anybody managed to successfully navigate the crucial.com website >using VO and Safari? I'm trying to buy some extra memory for one of >our machines, (so I can't use their scanner). So I select my >machine type and model. But from there nothing seems to happen when >I click the memory adviser link. Thoughts? > >Gordon > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 11:32:48 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 06:32:48 -0400 Subject: The New Mac Mini In-Reply-To: <8694CC7A-2307-4139-9E6B-2E8106FAA6EC@mac-access.net> References: <8694CC7A-2307-4139-9E6B-2E8106FAA6EC@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4e3a756b.c24a340a.57e3.3541@mx.google.com> The cheapest mini has a 2.3 gigahertz i5. It comes with 2gb of ram which can, and should, be upgraded. 8gb of ram is quite cheap these days. The stepup mini has a 2.5 gigahertz I5 with 4gb of ram plus a discrete video card. It also adds a full 33.33% to the price. At 02:06 AM 8/4/2011, you wrote: >Hi all > >I see that Apple has now done away totally with the Intel Core 2 Duo >processors in the Mac Mini range, and now their lowest client >machine has an I5 processor in it, 2.5 GHZ. That's pretty darn good >for the price, I have to admit. I'm not sure how much memory it >has; but I can't deny I'm tempted to buy one of those machines as it >would run Server without a problem and I'm planning to upgrade the >memory in our new server so I could easily put the memory out of >that one into the client if it has 2GB which I'm sure it has, then >it would have 4. I'm seriously thinking about doing it right now. > >I'm also going to get my other half a MacBook Air for her birthday; >as that machine would be absolutely ideal for her when she's doing >admin work here. Currently she uses a MacBook Pro 17-inch but its >obviously big and pretty cumbersome for her to sit on her lap. Lynne >and I like to work together, although on different machines, >obviously. And the Air is small, speedy and light (just like >her). It looks to be a very very high spec machine and I know that >Anne Robertson uses one and is very impressed by it. If Anne says >it's alright, then so it must be. So that's Lynne's birthday box sorted. > >Anyway I am waffling. If anybody has experience of the new I5 Mac >Mini, (the one that, in the UK store at least, still ships without >Server), I'd love to hear about how you find it. Actually on >reflection I can't remember just how big the HD is in that >machine. Oh, and finally, does anybody know if it's possible to >upgrade the drive or drives in a new Mac Mini as in do it >yourself? I'm also toying with the idea of buying a couple of SSD >drives for our new server. > >Gordon > > >Gordon > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Thu Aug 4 11:55:15 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 07:55:15 -0300 Subject: Disabling Lion Server References: <5E48B972-D2CE-4347-A22B-465C6BE1E9EC@mac.com> Message-ID: <3B4A996D8DB54FC6BCFB33CC021F121D@CNIBnotebook> Esther: Thanks for your thoughtfulness. I have the unit up and running properly now; however, I'm still at a loss as to how to enable an FTP service in Lion. I really do like the hardware. Again, thanks all over the place. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:21 AM Subject: Disabling Lion Server > Hi All, > > In connection with Jim's current work on getting one of the new Mac Mini > server versions running under Lion, here's a link to an Apple Support > document on disabling the Lion Server functions. > > ? How to disable Lion Server > http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4827 > > Apple provided this information to someone else who was interested in > using the Mac Mini server release just to run the regular OS X Lion (and > not Lion Server). The Apple Store description seems to indicate that new > model Mac Mini Servers are shipping with both Lion and Lion Server > installed. (I'm not sure that is true yet of the models you buy from third > party sources -- they may still arrive with Snow Leopard Server installed, > and require upgrading.) Hope this will be useful to others, and maybe also > to Jim. > > Cheers, > > Esther > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 12:19:42 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:19:42 +0100 Subject: Crucial Website In-Reply-To: <4e3a7504.48b5dc0a.1f62.1b77@mx.google.com> References: <5AC76F4F-4B73-4F3F-BD9D-A168FD7A99F3@mac-access.net> <4e3a7504.48b5dc0a.1f62.1b77@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Kevin I know the specs of my machine, I am very competent in that regard. You're misunderstanding the issue I think. The issue is the website. Gordon On 4 Aug 2011, at 11:31, Kevin Barry wrote: While I've never used the Crucial site, I doubt you need to use their advisor. The "about this Mac" will tell you what type of memory you need and a little research will tell you the max your computer will accept if you don't already know it. Kevin At 01:44 AM 8/4/2011, you wrote: > Hi all > > Anybody managed to successfully navigate the crucial.com website using VO and Safari? I'm trying to buy some extra memory for one of our machines, (so I can't use their scanner). So I select my machine type and model. But from there nothing seems to happen when I click the memory adviser link. Thoughts? > > Gordon > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 12:21:41 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:21:41 +0100 Subject: Disabling Lion Server In-Reply-To: <3B4A996D8DB54FC6BCFB33CC021F121D@CNIBnotebook> References: <5E48B972-D2CE-4347-A22B-465C6BE1E9EC@mac.com> <3B4A996D8DB54FC6BCFB33CC021F121D@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <291414A8-0E94-4B4F-AB9D-89F6DF54C486@mac-access.net> Jim if you want FTP in Lion, you need to use the Terminal. I can provide you complete instructions if you wish. Gordon On 4 Aug 2011, at 11:55, Jim Noseworthy wrote: Esther: Thanks for your thoughtfulness. I have the unit up and running properly now; however, I'm still at a loss as to how to enable an FTP service in Lion. I really do like the hardware. Again, thanks all over the place. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 1:21 AM Subject: Disabling Lion Server > Hi All, > > In connection with Jim's current work on getting one of the new Mac Mini server versions running under Lion, here's a link to an Apple Support document on disabling the Lion Server functions. > > ? How to disable Lion Server > http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4827 > > Apple provided this information to someone else who was interested in using the Mac Mini server release just to run the regular OS X Lion (and not Lion Server). The Apple Store description seems to indicate that new model Mac Mini Servers are shipping with both Lion and Lion Server installed. (I'm not sure that is true yet of the models you buy from third party sources -- they may still arrive with Snow Leopard Server installed, and require upgrading.) Hope this will be useful to others, and maybe also to Jim. > > Cheers, > > Esther > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Thu Aug 4 12:36:08 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy Duffy) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 07:36:08 -0400 Subject: copy path? In-Reply-To: <024578B5-4339-4FEE-82B8-E22A4B8DC77E@mac-access.net> References: <2C625165-8872-46F7-AC38-6A6C3A9438EE@mac-access.net> <80E65D23-A4E2-42CC-B6E7-4888F184D1E7@nc.rr.com> <024578B5-4339-4FEE-82B8-E22A4B8DC77E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <847031FA-9962-4D21-BFE7-4F90152B74FF@nc.rr.com> Thank you. I will do that. Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. tracyduffy at nc.rr.com On Aug 3, 2011, at 1:04 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > hello Tracy > > Right, I see; you're saying it can copy the contents of a file rather than the file itself into, for instance, an iTunes window? > > I've had a brief look at it and so far I don't seem to be able to get anywhere with it with VoiceOver. So you might want to contact the developers. > > Lynne > > On 3 Aug 2011, at 17:41, Tracy Duffy wrote: > > ? I use it just to copy the text of the track list of any CD or audio file. If you do a straight copy from a folder, it wants to copy the files. I just need the list when posting music. In windows, this ap could do this and I imagine it may do it on the Mac, but as yet we believe it is not accessible with VO. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Thu Aug 4 12:39:28 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 08:39:28 -0300 Subject: FTP Service in Lion Message-ID: <29B3AB8716294AB1BE3972AF03566F3D@CNIBnotebook> Hi Folks: I've snagged the article from Apple which describes how to enable the FTP service in Lion Server; however, is there a way to enable anonymous logon? Thanks all over the place gang. From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 12:51:33 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:51:33 +0100 Subject: FTP Service in Lion In-Reply-To: <29B3AB8716294AB1BE3972AF03566F3D@CNIBnotebook> References: <29B3AB8716294AB1BE3972AF03566F3D@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <9736CF5B-3050-436D-BAA3-C0AD542AE365@mac-access.net> Hi Jim No, anonymous FTP isn't supported. Gordon On 4 Aug 2011, at 12:39, Jim Noseworthy wrote: Hi Folks: I've snagged the article from Apple which describes how to enable the FTP service in Lion Server; however, is there a way to enable anonymous logon? Thanks all over the place gang. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Thu Aug 4 13:00:21 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:00:21 -0300 Subject: FTP Service in Lion References: <29B3AB8716294AB1BE3972AF03566F3D@CNIBnotebook> <9736CF5B-3050-436D-BAA3-C0AD542AE365@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Gordon: I'm not sure just what the issue is but I am receiving mail from yourself that doesn't appear to have any content. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:51 AM Subject: Re: FTP Service in Lion > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 13:15:55 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 13:15:55 +0100 Subject: FTP Service in Lion In-Reply-To: References: <29B3AB8716294AB1BE3972AF03566F3D@CNIBnotebook> <9736CF5B-3050-436D-BAA3-C0AD542AE365@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <1E21B447-8951-4DEF-9972-3A7F114C659F@mac-access.net> Hello Jim This is that annoying issue with Outlook where it can't handle digital signatures. This should be better. FTP in Lion server and all OSX Server does not handle anonymous access under any circumstances. It isn't designed to do that. It's designed more for the corporate environment. I suggest that you move away from OSX Server if your needs are for anonymous access. Feel free to contact me off list if you want any help with other services, as I have and do use them extensively. Gordon On 4 Aug 2011, at 13:00, Jim Noseworthy wrote: Gordon: I'm not sure just what the issue is but I am receiving mail from yourself that doesn't appear to have any content. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:51 AM Subject: Re: FTP Service in Lion > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Thu Aug 4 13:22:41 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:22:41 -0300 Subject: FTP Service in Lion References: <29B3AB8716294AB1BE3972AF03566F3D@CNIBnotebook> <9736CF5B-3050-436D-BAA3-C0AD542AE365@mac-access.net> <1E21B447-8951-4DEF-9972-3A7F114C659F@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Gordon: Thanks all over the place. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 9:15 AM Subject: Re: FTP Service in Lion > Hello Jim > > This is that annoying issue with Outlook where it can't handle digital > signatures. > > This should be better. FTP in Lion server and all OSX Server does not > handle anonymous access under any circumstances. It isn't designed to do > that. It's designed more for the corporate environment. > > I suggest that you move away from OSX Server if your needs are for > anonymous access. > > Feel free to contact me off list if you want any help with other services, > as I have and do use them extensively. > > Gordon > > On 4 Aug 2011, at 13:00, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > Gordon: > > I'm not sure just what the issue is but I am receiving mail from yourself > that doesn't appear to have any content. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:51 AM > Subject: Re: FTP Service in Lion > > >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From d.griffith at btinternet.com Thu Aug 4 13:54:43 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 13:54:43 +0100 Subject: Learning the Mac Message-ID: <7A279326862A47A8916FC34E9F7A19C9@6ffd52c138504d6> Thanks for advice so far. I will heed the advice to take it steady and slow. I know there are often frustrations whilst getting to grips with new systems. However I do want to collect some resources to help me when the I-Mac comes. This approach is partly shaped by the experience of a friend . He is also visually impaired who has recently acquired at work a Mac book pro and bought an Air for use at home. He is struggling, even after following the Voiceover tutorial and having some Apple training. The problem with the Apple trainers was apparently that they were very unfamiliar with voiceover. So resources for a new Mac user using voiceover would be very welcome not just for me but him also. I do not think he has even got to grips with email yet for example so I cannot get him to join this list. Another problem is that his workplace are also inexpert in this area. They installed Microsoft office on his Mac not realising that this would be inaccessible for him to use with voiceover. Is there any other useful guides which would help a long time Jaws and XP user to move onto the Mac? I saw a post earlier advertising publications under the heading of take control of the Mac. It is not clear if these are aimed at new voiceover users. The web page I visited had several guides but I could not see any which were obvious beginner's guides for using a Mac. Any suggestions welcome. Regards David Griffith __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6349 (20110804) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk Thu Aug 4 14:29:39 2011 From: sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk (Sunil Peck) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:29:39 +0100 Subject: Learning the Mac In-Reply-To: <7A279326862A47A8916FC34E9F7A19C9@6ffd52c138504d6> References: <7A279326862A47A8916FC34E9F7A19C9@6ffd52c138504d6> Message-ID: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02D5D635AD73@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> David Woodbridge's Vision Australia podcasts are superb. There are about 25 of them on topics like using Safari, Mail, moving applications to the doc and renaming files. They last about 4 or 5 minutes and he explains everything very well. Listening to them before my Mac arrived gave me a head start. They're all about using the Mac with Snow Leopard but I wouldn't have thought that will matter much even if you're using Lion. They'll at least help you get to grips with the basics. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith Sent: 04 August 2011 13:55 To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' Subject: Learning the Mac Thanks for advice so far. I will heed the advice to take it steady and slow. I know there are often frustrations whilst getting to grips with new systems. However I do want to collect some resources to help me when the I-Mac comes. This approach is partly shaped by the experience of a friend . He is also visually impaired who has recently acquired at work a Mac book pro and bought an Air for use at home. He is struggling, even after following the Voiceover tutorial and having some Apple training. The problem with the Apple trainers was apparently that they were very unfamiliar with voiceover. So resources for a new Mac user using voiceover would be very welcome not just for me but him also. I do not think he has even got to grips with email yet for example so I cannot get him to join this list. Another problem is that his workplace are also inexpert in this area. They installed Microsoft office on his Mac not realising that this would be inaccessible for him to use with voiceover. Is there any other useful guides which would help a long time Jaws and XP user to move onto the Mac? I saw a post earlier advertising publications under the heading of take control of the Mac. It is not clear if these are aimed at new voiceover users. The web page I visited had several guides but I could not see any which were obvious beginner's guides for using a Mac. Any suggestions welcome. 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From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 14:45:21 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 14:45:21 +0100 Subject: Learning the Mac In-Reply-To: <7A279326862A47A8916FC34E9F7A19C9@6ffd52c138504d6> References: <7A279326862A47A8916FC34E9F7A19C9@6ffd52c138504d6> Message-ID: <1B90C25E-D36D-4F30-B89E-4DEE006FE992@mac-access.net> David Please invite your friend to join this group and I promise you both of you will receive as much help as you require. That's why we are here. Gordon On 4 Aug 2011, at 13:54, David Griffith wrote: Thanks for advice so far. I will heed the advice to take it steady and slow. I know there are often frustrations whilst getting to grips with new systems. However I do want to collect some resources to help me when the I-Mac comes. This approach is partly shaped by the experience of a friend . He is also visually impaired who has recently acquired at work a Mac book pro and bought an Air for use at home. He is struggling, even after following the Voiceover tutorial and having some Apple training. The problem with the Apple trainers was apparently that they were very unfamiliar with voiceover. So resources for a new Mac user using voiceover would be very welcome not just for me but him also. I do not think he has even got to grips with email yet for example so I cannot get him to join this list. Another problem is that his workplace are also inexpert in this area. They installed Microsoft office on his Mac not realising that this would be inaccessible for him to use with voiceover. Is there any other useful guides which would help a long time Jaws and XP user to move onto the Mac? I saw a post earlier advertising publications under the heading of take control of the Mac. It is not clear if these are aimed at new voiceover users. The web page I visited had several guides but I could not see any which were obvious beginner's guides for using a Mac. Any suggestions welcome. 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In-Reply-To: <52B2F731-EE09-431A-B9BE-9CD3DD330144@mac-access.net> References: <52B2F731-EE09-431A-B9BE-9CD3DD330144@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I wish somebody would do a podcast or some sort of write up with examples on the trackpad and web surfing. I guess I'm just not the creative type because, while I understand the use of the touch surface on the Ipad and how it can give direct access to different areas on the page faster than using a keyboard in IOS, I just don't seem to be getting it with the magic trackpad. Since several people have seen the light on this front, so to speak, it is clear I'm missing the point here. Mary Mary Otten motten53 at gmail.com From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 15:21:40 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 15:21:40 +0100 Subject: Magic Trackpad: I'm a convert! In-Reply-To: References: <52B2F731-EE09-431A-B9BE-9CD3DD330144@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <7DB1C1FE-06CD-49FC-8BC6-4477D5456C62@mac-access.net> I'll do this Mary. Gordon On 4 Aug 2011, at 14:59, Mary Otten wrote: I wish somebody would do a podcast or some sort of write up with examples on the trackpad and web surfing. I guess I'm just not the creative type because, while I understand the use of the touch surface on the Ipad and how it can give direct access to different areas on the page faster than using a keyboard in IOS, I just don't seem to be getting it with the magic trackpad. Since several people have seen the light on this front, so to speak, it is clear I'm missing the point here. Mary Mary Otten motten53 at gmail.com <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From joncohn at cox.net Thu Aug 4 15:30:19 2011 From: joncohn at cox.net (Jon Cohn) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 10:30:19 -0400 Subject: Anonymous FTP sservers In-Reply-To: <3B4A996D8DB54FC6BCFB33CC021F121D@CNIBnotebook> References: <5E48B972-D2CE-4347-A22B-465C6BE1E9EC@mac.com> <3B4A996D8DB54FC6BCFB33CC021F121D@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: 1. I don't have Lion up yet, so I can't check, but the man page for ftpd on Snow Leopard has guides for anonymous ftp. 2. I have heard good things about http://www.ncftp.com/ncftpd/ I don't think there is a version compiled specifically for Lion, but I would expect the 64 bit SNow Leopard version would work. The web site indicates that for personal or higher education ncftpd would be free. Jonathan Cohn Jim, From d.griffith at btinternet.com Thu Aug 4 15:47:21 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 15:47:21 +0100 Subject: Learning the Mac In-Reply-To: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02D5D635AD73@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> References: <7A279326862A47A8916FC34E9F7A19C9@6ffd52c138504d6> <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02D5D635AD73@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: <810D8F4E9DC5418C956CBED6B9C844E6@6ffd52c138504d6> Thanks I am downloading them now -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sunil Peck Sent: Thursday, 04 August 2011 14:30 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: RE: Learning the Mac David Woodbridge's Vision Australia podcasts are superb. There are about 25 of them on topics like using Safari, Mail, moving applications to the doc and renaming files. They last about 4 or 5 minutes and he explains everything very well. Listening to them before my Mac arrived gave me a head start. They're all about using the Mac with Snow Leopard but I wouldn't have thought that will matter much even if you're using Lion. They'll at least help you get to grips with the basics. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith Sent: 04 August 2011 13:55 To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' Subject: Learning the Mac Thanks for advice so far. I will heed the advice to take it steady and slow. I know there are often frustrations whilst getting to grips with new systems. However I do want to collect some resources to help me when the I-Mac comes. This approach is partly shaped by the experience of a friend . He is also visually impaired who has recently acquired at work a Mac book pro and bought an Air for use at home. He is struggling, even after following the Voiceover tutorial and having some Apple training. The problem with the Apple trainers was apparently that they were very unfamiliar with voiceover. So resources for a new Mac user using voiceover would be very welcome not just for me but him also. I do not think he has even got to grips with email yet for example so I cannot get him to join this list. Another problem is that his workplace are also inexpert in this area. They installed Microsoft office on his Mac not realising that this would be inaccessible for him to use with voiceover. Is there any other useful guides which would help a long time Jaws and XP user to move onto the Mac? I saw a post earlier advertising publications under the heading of take control of the Mac. It is not clear if these are aimed at new voiceover users. The web page I visited had several guides but I could not see any which were obvious beginner's guides for using a Mac. Any suggestions welcome. 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Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6350 (20110804) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6350 (20110804) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Aug 4 12:30:06 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:30:06 +0100 Subject: Magic Trackpad: I'm a convert! In-Reply-To: References: <52B2F731-EE09-431A-B9BE-9CD3DD330144@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4F0B48D7-E278-4597-871B-4CD1C70B69B6@blueyonder.co.uk> 3 finger triple tap Sent from my iPhone On 4 Aug 2011, at 09:01, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Chris > > I'm contemplating an iMac actually, although I confess the prices are a bit steep. There definitely are advantages though, and most of the time I use a Blue Tooth keyboard on the MacBook Pros. I just prefer to sit with the keyboard on my lap rather than the full machine. But yes, the TRackpad is excellent I just need to figure out how the heck you disable the internal one while keeping the Magic rack pad active. > > BTW I seem to have turned on the screen curtain somehow and I can't remember how to turn it back off. Any thoughts? > > Gordon > > On 4 Aug 2011, at 08:03, Chris Moore wrote: > > Gordon, > > I totally agree. I own a Macbook and a iMac. I tend to use my iMac more, as like you say the trackpad on the Macbook just gets in the way sometimes when typing. I also prefer the bigger keys and number pad on my iMac. Then there is the magic trackpad, makes life so much easier. > > Chris > On 4 Aug 2011, at 07:30, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> OK, I have to admit it. Although I really find the trackpad on the MacBook Pro a bit of a pain because it gets in my way when typing, it's too small, and so it goes on. Since Lynne bought us a couple of Magic Trackpads about 2 or 3 weeks back, I now can't quite believe I ever managed to live without this little tablet. It makes reading and interacting with websites a total breeze, and it goes quite some way towards eliminating the need for keys. obviously not if there's editing to do, but for genera reading it's super duper! >> >> I have to admit that I even use a Blue Tooth keyboard now with our MacBooks and prefer to use the machine that way rather than have the MBP sitting on my lap taking up space. It's just so much more convenient. How did we ever live without these boxes of magic? >> >> Gordon >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Thu Aug 4 16:14:18 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 16:14:18 +0100 Subject: odd thing. Message-ID: <755BF5D2-39D8-48DA-B4F9-9572DFF83945@googlemail.com> Hi all when i try and do vo shift m in a menu and try to arrow down it is not letting me unless i'm pressing the voice over keys as well normaly i have found that when i do vo shift and m to go in to menus and do vo m quickly twice to go in to the sink menu wheere you can use your arro keys to get round it i can genraly use the arro keys with out having to hold the v o keys down to. is there a comand i could have done accedently to make this happen if so how do i fix it. thanks very much. Ian McNamara From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Thu Aug 4 16:46:48 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 16:46:48 +0100 Subject: odd thing. In-Reply-To: <755BF5D2-39D8-48DA-B4F9-9572DFF83945@googlemail.com> References: <755BF5D2-39D8-48DA-B4F9-9572DFF83945@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <2F4CDA96-333E-460E-9A1E-772EB0F79CA3@virginmedia.com> Hi Ian! Sorry is this in Lion and where exactly are you having this issue!? And I do not know if this is a part of your problem but is quick nav on or off! Colin On 4 Aug 2011, at 16:14, Ian McNamara wrote: > Hi all when i try and do vo shift m in a menu and try to arrow down it is not letting me unless i'm pressing the voice over keys as well normally i have found that when i do vo shift and m to go in to menus and do vo m quickly twice to go in to the sink menu where you can use your arrow keys to get round it i can generally use the arrow keys with out having to hold the v o keys down to. is there a command i could have done accidentally to make this happen if so how do i fix it. > > thanks very much. > > Ian McNamara > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 17:30:21 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 17:30:21 +0100 Subject: Learning the Mac In-Reply-To: <810D8F4E9DC5418C956CBED6B9C844E6@6ffd52c138504d6> References: <7A279326862A47A8916FC34E9F7A19C9@6ffd52c138504d6> <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02D5D635AD73@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <810D8F4E9DC5418C956CBED6B9C844E6@6ffd52c138504d6> Message-ID: hello David Again, I think you need to take things at a reasonable pace, rather than try to learn everything at once before you have received your machine. By all means listen! That's a great idea. But don't try to delve too deeply if you know what I mean. Another piece of advice which my other half would give were she here. Don't draw comparisons between how things worked on Windows and how they work on the Mac. Although the principle of the GuI is the same, the implementation is very different. That's just my own advice, Im sure you'll get some from others, possibly contradictory and that's their right, of course. I'm a pretty dreadful teacher but I've taught one or two in my time. One of those people is now working full-time using VoiceOver so it worked for her at least. :) Gordon On 4 Aug 2011, at 15:47, David Griffith wrote: Thanks I am downloading them now -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sunil Peck Sent: Thursday, 04 August 2011 14:30 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: RE: Learning the Mac David Woodbridge's Vision Australia podcasts are superb. There are about 25 of them on topics like using Safari, Mail, moving applications to the doc and renaming files. They last about 4 or 5 minutes and he explains everything very well. Listening to them before my Mac arrived gave me a head start. They're all about using the Mac with Snow Leopard but I wouldn't have thought that will matter much even if you're using Lion. They'll at least help you get to grips with the basics. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith Sent: 04 August 2011 13:55 To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' Subject: Learning the Mac Thanks for advice so far. I will heed the advice to take it steady and slow. I know there are often frustrations whilst getting to grips with new systems. However I do want to collect some resources to help me when the I-Mac comes. This approach is partly shaped by the experience of a friend . He is also visually impaired who has recently acquired at work a Mac book pro and bought an Air for use at home. He is struggling, even after following the Voiceover tutorial and having some Apple training. The problem with the Apple trainers was apparently that they were very unfamiliar with voiceover. So resources for a new Mac user using voiceover would be very welcome not just for me but him also. I do not think he has even got to grips with email yet for example so I cannot get him to join this list. Another problem is that his workplace are also inexpert in this area. They installed Microsoft office on his Mac not realising that this would be inaccessible for him to use with voiceover. Is there any other useful guides which would help a long time Jaws and XP user to move onto the Mac? I saw a post earlier advertising publications under the heading of take control of the Mac. It is not clear if these are aimed at new voiceover users. The web page I visited had several guides but I could not see any which were obvious beginner's guides for using a Mac. Any suggestions welcome. 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Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 17:31:53 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 17:31:53 +0100 Subject: Screen Curtain Turned on by accident; I turn it off by? In-Reply-To: <4F0B48D7-E278-4597-871B-4CD1C70B69B6@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <52B2F731-EE09-431A-B9BE-9CD3DD330144@mac-access.net> <4F0B48D7-E278-4597-871B-4CD1C70B69B6@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Thank you Chris On 4 Aug 2011, at 12:30, Chris Moore wrote: 3 finger triple tap From zkline at speedpost.net Thu Aug 4 17:33:43 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:33:43 -0700 Subject: Optimizing Terminal with VoiceOver Message-ID: <419621E7-7854-44EE-8866-DF3617D15A0B@speedpost.net> Hi All, I was wondering about the process of optimizing Terminal usage with VoiceOver, ideally for full-screen apps. Does anybody have any suggestions for how best to do this? I am using Lion. Best, Zack. From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 17:41:08 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 17:41:08 +0100 Subject: VoiceOver Oddities - was odd thing. In-Reply-To: <755BF5D2-39D8-48DA-B4F9-9572DFF83945@googlemail.com> References: <755BF5D2-39D8-48DA-B4F9-9572DFF83945@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <09565AE3-945F-4D9D-A116-C52D596959FD@mac-access.net> Ian Just a little friendly tip. It would help others if you could be a little more specific about your subject lines. :). Please don't take this as a rebuke or a complaint; just a friendly little suggestion/request. I had to read this through a couple of times to make sends of it because currently I'm working with Braille only. But I have a question for you Ian. Do you have anything in your Window Chooser menu when you try this? I have found this happens now and then when there is something which visually overlaps the window you're working in. Actually when I get Lynne to look at this sort of thing she cannot even see the focussed window sometimes. I have been meaning to post about this quirk because sometimes although I can hear things fine, and text appears in Braille just fine, on the screen there are windows overlapping and I wonder if this is happening with your system when you encounter tis problem. Gordon On 4 Aug 2011, at 16:14, Ian McNamara wrote: Hi all when i try and do vo shift m in a menu and try to arrow down it is not letting me unless i'm pressing the voice over keys as well normaly i have found that when i do vo shift and m to go in to menus and do vo m quickly twice to go in to the sink menu wheere you can use your arro keys to get round it i can genraly use the arro keys with out having to hold the v o keys down to. is there a comand i could have done accedently to make this happen if so how do i fix it. From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 17:44:32 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 17:44:32 +0100 Subject: Optimizing Terminal with VoiceOver In-Reply-To: <419621E7-7854-44EE-8866-DF3617D15A0B@speedpost.net> References: <419621E7-7854-44EE-8866-DF3617D15A0B@speedpost.net> Message-ID: Hi Zack Have you tried interacting with the terminal window before you issue any commands? I know where you're coming from because I frequently have to have commands repeated 4 times in order to get a legible response in speech or Braille. But I sometimes find that interacting before issuing any commands helps. Gordon On 4 Aug 2011, at 17:33, Zachary Kline wrote: I was wondering about the process of optimizing Terminal usage with VoiceOver, ideally for full-screen apps. Does anybody have any suggestions for how best to do this? I am using Lion. From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 17:48:01 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 18:48:01 +0200 Subject: Optimizing Terminal with VoiceOver In-Reply-To: References: <419621E7-7854-44EE-8866-DF3617D15A0B@speedpost.net> Message-ID: Hi Gordon, Also, if you encounter the issue where information scrolls so rapidly down the screen that VoiceOver simply skips to the last information received, you can simply hit VO-H-H. This enters the command menu. Simply type "s p ok" and hit enter on the option, and VoiceOver will not move the cursor as text appears. While VoiceOver will not read text automatically if this option is selected, you can use the VoiceOver keys to move down the screen if you are interacting with the text. Regards, Nic On Aug 4, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Zack > > Have you tried interacting with the terminal window before you issue any commands? I know where you're coming from because I frequently have to have commands repeated 4 times in order to get a legible response in speech or Braille. But I sometimes find that interacting before issuing any commands helps. > > Gordon > > On 4 Aug 2011, at 17:33, Zachary Kline wrote: > I was wondering about the process of optimizing Terminal usage with VoiceOver, ideally for full-screen apps. Does anybody have any suggestions for how best to do this? I am using Lion. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From zkline at speedpost.net Thu Aug 4 17:57:30 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:57:30 -0700 Subject: Optimizing Terminal with VoiceOver In-Reply-To: References: <419621E7-7854-44EE-8866-DF3617D15A0B@speedpost.net> Message-ID: Hi Nicolai, This command is new to me. THanks for telling us about it. I'm curious about what exactly it's supposed to do though, the name is a bit vague. Best, Zack. On Aug 4, 2011, at 9:48 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi Gordon, > > Also, if you encounter the issue where information scrolls so rapidly down the screen that VoiceOver simply skips to the last information received, you can simply hit VO-H-H. This enters the command menu. Simply type "s p ok" and hit enter on the option, and VoiceOver will not move the cursor as text appears. While VoiceOver will not read text automatically if this option is selected, you can use the VoiceOver keys to move down the screen if you are interacting with the text. > > Regards, > Nic > On Aug 4, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Zack >> >> Have you tried interacting with the terminal window before you issue any commands? I know where you're coming from because I frequently have to have commands repeated 4 times in order to get a legible response in speech or Braille. But I sometimes find that interacting before issuing any commands helps. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 4 Aug 2011, at 17:33, Zachary Kline wrote: >> I was wondering about the process of optimizing Terminal usage with VoiceOver, ideally for full-screen apps. Does anybody have any suggestions for how best to do this? I am using Lion. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 17:59:52 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 18:59:52 +0200 Subject: Optimizing Terminal with VoiceOver In-Reply-To: References: <419621E7-7854-44EE-8866-DF3617D15A0B@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <721368CC-64ED-48CF-90C4-C4CE8CBCCEA7@gmail.com> Hi Zack, It's supposed to stop the cursor from moving, basically. As well as not speaking new information out loud, it also keeps the cursor in place. It's pretty useful in Terminal if you want to read line by line manually, but if you want to read the output as it goes through, I still haven't found VoiceOVer to be that accommodating with large amounts of output. Regards, Nic On Aug 4, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Nicolai, > This command is new to me. THanks for telling us about it. I'm curious about what exactly it's supposed to do though, the name is a bit vague. > Best, > Zack. > On Aug 4, 2011, at 9:48 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi Gordon, >> >> Also, if you encounter the issue where information scrolls so rapidly down the screen that VoiceOver simply skips to the last information received, you can simply hit VO-H-H. This enters the command menu. Simply type "s p ok" and hit enter on the option, and VoiceOver will not move the cursor as text appears. While VoiceOver will not read text automatically if this option is selected, you can use the VoiceOver keys to move down the screen if you are interacting with the text. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Aug 4, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi Zack >>> >>> Have you tried interacting with the terminal window before you issue any commands? I know where you're coming from because I frequently have to have commands repeated 4 times in order to get a legible response in speech or Braille. But I sometimes find that interacting before issuing any commands helps. >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> On 4 Aug 2011, at 17:33, Zachary Kline wrote: >>> I was wondering about the process of optimizing Terminal usage with VoiceOver, ideally for full-screen apps. Does anybody have any suggestions for how best to do this? I am using Lion. >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 18:04:18 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 18:04:18 +0100 Subject: Optimizing Terminal with VoiceOver In-Reply-To: References: <419621E7-7854-44EE-8866-DF3617D15A0B@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <4BD3E80E-4191-49BD-BB65-12A4ED40902B@mac-access.net> Hi Nic Excellent tip, thank you very much indeed. Gordon On 4 Aug 2011, at 17:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi Gordon, Also, if you encounter the issue where information scrolls so rapidly down the screen that VoiceOver simply skips to the last information received, you can simply hit VO-H-H. This enters the command menu. Simply type "s p ok" and hit enter on the option, and VoiceOver will not move the cursor as text appears. While VoiceOver will not read text automatically if this option is selected, you can use the VoiceOver keys to move down the screen if you are interacting with the text. Regards, Nic On Aug 4, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Zack > > Have you tried interacting with the terminal window before you issue any commands? I know where you're coming from because I frequently have to have commands repeated 4 times in order to get a legible response in speech or Braille. But I sometimes find that interacting before issuing any commands helps. > > Gordon > > On 4 Aug 2011, at 17:33, Zachary Kline wrote: > I was wondering about the process of optimizing Terminal usage with VoiceOver, ideally for full-screen apps. Does anybody have any suggestions for how best to do this? I am using Lion. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 19:26:23 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 11:26:23 -0700 Subject: Optimizing Terminal with VoiceOver In-Reply-To: <4BD3E80E-4191-49BD-BB65-12A4ED40902B@mac-access.net> References: <419621E7-7854-44EE-8866-DF3617D15A0B@speedpost.net> <4BD3E80E-4191-49BD-BB65-12A4ED40902B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6BFC0DCD-867E-49BA-9775-E1946817E6BE@gmail.com> Interesting. I can't remember if there is a keystroke for this. I'm a keystrokes person lo! but thanks for the tip. might use this in adium. On Aug 4, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Nic > > Excellent tip, thank you very much indeed. > > Gordon > > On 4 Aug 2011, at 17:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > > Hi Gordon, > > Also, if you encounter the issue where information scrolls so rapidly down the screen that VoiceOver simply skips to the last information received, you can simply hit VO-H-H. This enters the command menu. Simply type "s p ok" and hit enter on the option, and VoiceOver will not move the cursor as text appears. While VoiceOver will not read text automatically if this option is selected, you can use the VoiceOver keys to move down the screen if you are interacting with the text. > > Regards, > Nic > On Aug 4, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Zack >> >> Have you tried interacting with the terminal window before you issue any commands? I know where you're coming from because I frequently have to have commands repeated 4 times in order to get a legible response in speech or Braille. But I sometimes find that interacting before issuing any commands helps. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 4 Aug 2011, at 17:33, Zachary Kline wrote: >> I was wondering about the process of optimizing Terminal usage with VoiceOver, ideally for full-screen apps. Does anybody have any suggestions for how best to do this? I am using Lion. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 19:28:22 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 20:28:22 +0200 Subject: Optimizing Terminal with VoiceOver In-Reply-To: <6BFC0DCD-867E-49BA-9775-E1946817E6BE@gmail.com> References: <419621E7-7854-44EE-8866-DF3617D15A0B@speedpost.net> <4BD3E80E-4191-49BD-BB65-12A4ED40902B@mac-access.net> <6BFC0DCD-867E-49BA-9775-E1946817E6BE@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Sarah, No, this option does not have a default keystroke, but you can of course create one by using the Keyboard Commander. Of course, getting to it via the Command menu is pretty slick already, and if you don't want to revert the setting, you can keep it. Regards, Nic On Aug 4, 2011, at 8:26 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Interesting. I can't remember if there is a keystroke for this. I'm a keystrokes person lo! but thanks for the tip. might use this in adium. > On Aug 4, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Nic >> >> Excellent tip, thank you very much indeed. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 4 Aug 2011, at 17:48, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >> Hi Gordon, >> >> Also, if you encounter the issue where information scrolls so rapidly down the screen that VoiceOver simply skips to the last information received, you can simply hit VO-H-H. This enters the command menu. Simply type "s p ok" and hit enter on the option, and VoiceOver will not move the cursor as text appears. While VoiceOver will not read text automatically if this option is selected, you can use the VoiceOver keys to move down the screen if you are interacting with the text. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Aug 4, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi Zack >>> >>> Have you tried interacting with the terminal window before you issue any commands? I know where you're coming from because I frequently have to have commands repeated 4 times in order to get a legible response in speech or Braille. But I sometimes find that interacting before issuing any commands helps. >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> On 4 Aug 2011, at 17:33, Zachary Kline wrote: >>> I was wondering about the process of optimizing Terminal usage with VoiceOver, ideally for full-screen apps. Does anybody have any suggestions for how best to do this? I am using Lion. >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From andre.nuno.soares at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 19:48:34 2011 From: andre.nuno.soares at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Nuno_Soares?=) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 19:48:34 +0100 Subject: ogg plugins for quicktime, In-Reply-To: <1935FDBD-961D-4617-9FB0-A4D831A26505@softcon.com> References: <1935FDBD-961D-4617-9FB0-A4D831A26505@softcon.com> Message-ID: Hello Travis, You lost the URL somewhere in the paste :-) Could you send the link for those of us who are too lazy to google for it? TIA, Andr? On Aug 3, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > I was hunting for something else when I came across these quicktime plugins to allow ogg files to be played in quicktime, which means itunes will play them natively as well. > They're from the maker of the ogg format directly, so you know they work well. :) > So, without further ado, the url is: > ogg plugins for quicktime, > Enjoy. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 20:21:14 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:21:14 -0700 Subject: Five favorite text-selection tips Message-ID: <28508994-21D7-4869-B1FB-489F69F565EE@gmail.com> Some of these could I think be done from the keyboard. Five favorite text-selection tips Learn how to go beyond a mere drag or double-click with these more advanced techniques for text selection. http://onj.me/wv From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 20:21:14 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:21:14 -0700 Subject: Five favorite text-selection tips Message-ID: Some of these could I think be done from the keyboard. Five favorite text-selection tips Learn how to go beyond a mere drag or double-click with these more advanced techniques for text selection. http://onj.me/wv From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 20:24:02 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 20:24:02 +0100 Subject: access keys Message-ID: <8BC1079D-03E3-4CF9-BA2C-47AB9A8331E2@gmail.com> hi in safari in lion can we use access keys like 1, 2, 3, etc? From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 20:27:30 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:27:30 -0700 Subject: Quit apps without Lion remembering their open windows Message-ID: Quit apps without Lion remembering their open windows Lion automatically restores an app's previously-open windows when you relaunch it. There's a simple way to override that behavior temporarily. http://bit.ly/r1BuK5 From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 20:27:30 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:27:30 -0700 Subject: Quit apps without Lion remembering their open windows Message-ID: Quit apps without Lion remembering their open windows Lion automatically restores an app's previously-open windows when you relaunch it. There's a simple way to override that behavior temporarily. http://bit.ly/r1BuK5 From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 20:27:30 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:27:30 -0700 Subject: Quit apps without Lion remembering their open windows Message-ID: Quit apps without Lion remembering their open windows Lion automatically restores an app's previously-open windows when you relaunch it. There's a simple way to override that behavior temporarily. http://bit.ly/r1BuK5 From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 20:27:30 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:27:30 -0700 Subject: Mac Gems: ClipList 1.0.3 clipboard utility Message-ID: <0BEB2A7C-AA74-4F90-8F44-9A54147AC0EE@gmail.com> Another useful tool that could come in handy for office projects. Mac Gems: ClipList 1.0.3 clipboard utility ClipList is a simple and straightforward utility that can capture multiple copy or cut commands, and save them in a drop-down list that's accessible through a menu bar item. http://bit.ly/o4TMJ5 From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 20:27:30 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:27:30 -0700 Subject: Mac Gems: ClipList 1.0.3 clipboard utility Message-ID: <1A98F7B8-F008-4AB4-9E3C-7763BA8FFFE1@gmail.com> Another useful tool that could come in handy for office projects. Mac Gems: ClipList 1.0.3 clipboard utility ClipList is a simple and straightforward utility that can capture multiple copy or cut commands, and save them in a drop-down list that's accessible through a menu bar item. http://bit.ly/o4TMJ5 From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 20:27:35 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:27:35 -0700 Subject: Mac Gems: KeyRemap4MacBook 7.3.0 Message-ID: This might be useful to some of you. Mac Gems: KeyRemap4MacBook 7.3.0 KeyRemap4MacBook implies that it only remaps keys for MacBooks, but the truth is that it remaps keys for all Macs. Contained in a rough, spartan interface is a wealth of key remapping power. http://bit.ly/o3u7vo From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 20:27:35 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 12:27:35 -0700 Subject: Mac Gems: KeyRemap4MacBook 7.3.0 Message-ID: This might be useful to some of you. Mac Gems: KeyRemap4MacBook 7.3.0 KeyRemap4MacBook implies that it only remaps keys for MacBooks, but the truth is that it remaps keys for all Macs. Contained in a rough, spartan interface is a wealth of key remapping power. http://bit.ly/o3u7vo From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 21:08:20 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 13:08:20 -0700 Subject: access keys In-Reply-To: <8BC1079D-03E3-4CF9-BA2C-47AB9A8331E2@gmail.com> References: <8BC1079D-03E3-4CF9-BA2C-47AB9A8331E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C8F4B05-1D84-4400-A9D3-0447242B3705@gmail.com> I don't see why not. I think they are already used for something though. Take care. On Aug 4, 2011, at 12:24 PM, william lomas wrote: > hi in safari in lion can we use access keys like 1, 2, 3, etc? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 21:11:17 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 13:11:17 -0700 Subject: my duplicate messages. Message-ID: Hello to all. I am so sorry for my duplicate messages. for some reason my messages don't leave the drafts folder when I sent them even when I hear the sent sound hence why you guys and some other people are getting 2 and sometimes 4 copies of messages. I'm just letting you know what's going on. Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From moriond at mac.com Thu Aug 4 21:11:21 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 10:11:21 -1000 Subject: Crucial Website In-Reply-To: References: <5AC76F4F-4B73-4F3F-BD9D-A168FD7A99F3@mac-access.net> <4e3a7504.48b5dc0a.1f62.1b77@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <61530FB7-F716-4F82-A7BE-D2BFC5D877CB@mac.com> Hi Gordon, On the crucial.com web site, I can just go to the search text box at the start of the page and type in, for example "mid 2011 mac mini i5" and press return. This seems to come back with a list of acceptable memory modules for the Mac Mini. Of course, you may have a different model that you want to input. I actually tried this first on my iPad (where I was reading you mail, and opened the link) by setting the rotor to "Form controls", moved to the "text field", and typed in the search. This also works on the Mac. On the search results page, navigate to the heading "Updates for Desktop/PC", and read the results. If you're using a Magic Trackpad you can just flick through here. Gordon, there may have been something slightly strange about the pop up button for "Select Manufacturer" in the "Step 1" phase (where you select your manufacturer, product line, and model). On the iPad using Safari, I tried checking the search by using the "Crucial Memory Adviser Tool" again from the results page of my search. Double tapping on the first pop up didn't bring up the selection the first time I tried it. It was only on the second double tap that the pop up menu came up, and I could select "Apple". I think that I had the same problem when I tried activating this pop up button in Safari on my Macbook Pro, after following the same procedure: type "mid 2011 mac mini i5" into the search text box and press return, then check the results page (which seemed fine), and try to run the tool to check the result listings. It didn't seem to "take" the first time I tried to click on the pop up. (This was both with moving mouse cursor to the button and clicking and with using QuickNav activated press of the Up and Down Arrow keys. I've not updated to either Safari 5.1, iTunes 10.4 or Lion, so your results may differ.) In any case, a simple search typed in the text field works. I HTH. Cheers, Esther > At 01:44 AM 8/4/2011, you wrote: >> Hi all >> >> Anybody managed to successfully navigate the crucial.com website using VO and Safari? I'm trying to buy some extra memory for one of our machines, (so I can't use their scanner). So I select my machine type and model. But from there nothing seems to happen when I click the memory adviser link. Thoughts? >> >> Gordon >> From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 21:23:54 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 21:23:54 +0100 Subject: Crucial Website In-Reply-To: <61530FB7-F716-4F82-A7BE-D2BFC5D877CB@mac.com> References: <5AC76F4F-4B73-4F3F-BD9D-A168FD7A99F3@mac-access.net> <4e3a7504.48b5dc0a.1f62.1b77@mx.google.com> <61530FB7-F716-4F82-A7BE-D2BFC5D877CB@mac.com> Message-ID: <8533534E-41AD-4952-9697-BC274E34041A@mac-access.net> Hello Esther; this is Lynne. Thank you so much as always for your attention to detail and meticulously researched post. Gordon is going to try this one later as we are keen to upgrade our Mini. BTW does anybody know if the Mini I7 will handle 16GB? Lynne On 4 Aug 2011, at 21:11, Esther wrote: Hi Gordon, On the crucial.com web site, I can just go to the search text box at the start of the page and type in, for example "mid 2011 mac mini i5" and press return. This seems to come back with a list of acceptable memory modules for the Mac Mini. Of course, you may have a different model that you want to input. I actually tried this first on my iPad (where I was reading you mail, and opened the link) by setting the rotor to "Form controls", moved to the "text field", and typed in the search. This also works on the Mac. On the search results page, navigate to the heading "Updates for Desktop/PC", and read the results. If you're using a Magic Trackpad you can just flick through here. Gordon, there may have been something slightly strange about the pop up button for "Select Manufacturer" in the "Step 1" phase (where you select your manufacturer, product line, and model). On the iPad using Safari, I tried checking the search by using the "Crucial Memory Adviser Tool" again from the results page of my search. Double tapping on the first pop up didn't bring up the selection the first time I tried it. It was only on the second double tap that the pop up menu came up, and I could select "Apple". I think that I had the same problem when I tried activating this pop up button in Safari on my Macbook Pro, after following the same procedure: type "mid 2011 mac mini i5" into the search text box and press return, then check the results page (which seemed fine), and try to run the tool to check the result listings. It didn't seem to "take" the first time I tried to click on the pop up. (This was both with moving mouse cursor to the button and clicking and with usin g QuickNav activated press of the Up and Down Arrow keys. I've not updated to either Safari 5.1, iTunes 10.4 or Lion, so your results may differ.) In any case, a simple search typed in the text field works. I HTH. Cheers, Esther > At 01:44 AM 8/4/2011, you wrote: >> Hi all >> >> Anybody managed to successfully navigate the crucial.com website using VO and Safari? I'm trying to buy some extra memory for one of our machines, (so I can't use their scanner). So I select my machine type and model. But from there nothing seems to happen when I click the memory adviser link. Thoughts? >> >> Gordon >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! 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Matthew Chao At 10:47 AM 8/4/2011, you wrote: >Thanks I am downloading them now > >-----Original Message----- >From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >[mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sunil Peck >Sent: Thursday, 04 August 2011 14:30 >To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >Subject: RE: Learning the Mac > >David Woodbridge's Vision Australia podcasts are superb. There are about 25 >of them on topics like using Safari, Mail, moving applications to the doc >and renaming files. They last about 4 or 5 minutes and he explains >everything very well. Listening to them before my Mac arrived gave me a head >start. They're all about using the Mac with Snow Leopard but I wouldn't have >thought that will matter much even if you're using Lion. They'll at least >help you get to grips with the basics. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >[mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith >Sent: 04 August 2011 13:55 >To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' >Subject: Learning the Mac > >Thanks for advice so far. >I will heed the advice to take it steady and slow. I know there are often >frustrations whilst getting to grips with new systems. However I do want to >collect some resources to help me when the I-Mac comes. This approach is >partly shaped by the experience of a friend . He is also visually impaired >who has recently acquired at work a Mac book pro and bought an Air for >use at home. He is struggling, even after following the Voiceover tutorial >and having some Apple training. The problem with the Apple trainers was >apparently that they were very unfamiliar with voiceover. So resources for a >new Mac user using voiceover would be very welcome not just for me but him >also. I do not think he has even got to grips with email yet for example so >I cannot get him to join this list. Another problem is that his workplace >are also inexpert in this area. They installed Microsoft office on his Mac >not realising that this would be inaccessible for him to use with voiceover. > >Is there any other useful guides which would help a long time Jaws and XP >user to move onto the Mac? >I saw a post earlier advertising publications under the heading of take >control of the Mac. It is not clear if these are aimed at new voiceover >users. 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Any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution, >or printing of this message or accompanying files, or unauthorised use >of any information contained therein, by anyone other than the >intended recipient(s) is prohibited and may be unlawful. > >Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with >it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the >views of Scope. ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >the list website at: > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >database 6350 (20110804) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com > > > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >database 6350 (20110804) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com > > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 6350 (20110804) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com From krbarry at gmail.com Thu Aug 4 23:45:56 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2011 18:45:56 -0400 Subject: Crucial Website In-Reply-To: References: <5AC76F4F-4B73-4F3F-BD9D-A168FD7A99F3@mac-access.net> <4e3a7504.48b5dc0a.1f62.1b77@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4e3b213f.ce88e50a.0365.5952@mx.google.com> I understand. My subtext was, I didn't think you needed to use the website. Kevin At 07:19 AM 8/4/2011, you wrote: >Kevin > >I know the specs of my machine, I am very competent in that >regard. You're misunderstanding the issue I think. The issue is the website. > >Gordon > > >On 4 Aug 2011, at 11:31, Kevin Barry wrote: > >While I've never used the Crucial site, I doubt you need to use their advisor. >The "about this Mac" will tell you what type of memory you need and >a little research will tell you the max your computer will accept if >you don't already know it. >Kevin > >At 01:44 AM 8/4/2011, you wrote: > > Hi all > > > > Anybody managed to successfully navigate the crucial.com website > using VO and Safari? I'm trying to buy some extra memory for one of > our machines, (so I can't use their scanner). So I select my > machine type and model. But from there nothing seems to happen when > I click the memory adviser link. Thoughts? > > > > Gordon > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > > > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Thu Aug 4 22:57:33 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 22:57:33 +0100 Subject: How do I turn off IOS-style auto correct in Lion Message-ID: Hi folks, The subject line says it all how do i do this please, as it is driving me insane. Particularly when I am writing in a language other than English. I have turned off "check spelling automatically" in "Language and Text" preferences, as well as chosen to correct spelling automatically by language. However, as you can see by this message, neither has had an effect. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated Thank you TC :) James From desiandcandy at q.com Fri Aug 5 00:42:24 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 16:42:24 -0700 Subject: Some iTunes references [was Re: How Can I Remove Items From iTunes?] In-Reply-To: References: <43908615-41F4-421D-8080-14B984F9FABF@gmail.com> <7A845E51-94C3-4B22-9CC8-9A9DCAB43AC6@q.com> <127AD0EE-C544-4887-A859-2CFA34D1D17C@mac.com> <42BBAF11-14B8-44DC-92FA-F1CBD23BC7CF@q.com> <3DDBE63D-F91A-4EC9-9682-777966DC31F7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jonathan, Yes, I think I get what you mean. Desi On Aug 3, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Jon Cohn wrote: > This dialog should only occur if the music is stored in your iTunes folder. > > Look in the advanced settings tab, you should see a check box >> Copy files to iTunes Media folder when adding to library > > And as this is a copy and not a move, I would expect that the media files would end up in both iTunes folder and your downloads folder. > > I hope I made sense. > > Jonathan > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 02:13:03 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 18:13:03 -0700 Subject: How do I turn off IOS-style auto correct in Lion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4E2BA0E7-D20D-409A-8DB2-AF6A9BE3AD91@gmail.com> just go to system prefs, then language and text/ text and it's right there. correct spelling automatically,. unchec it and there ya go. On Aug 4, 2011, at 2:57 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: > Hi folks, > > The subject line says it all how do i do this please, as it is driving me insane. Particularly when I am writing in a language other than English. I have turned off "check spelling automatically" in "Language and Text" preferences, as well as chosen to correct spelling automatically by language. However, as you can see by this message, neither has had an effect. > > Any assistance would be greatly appreciated > > Thank you > TC :) > James > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From joncohn at cox.net Fri Aug 5 02:24:09 2011 From: joncohn at cox.net (Jon Cohn) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 21:24:09 -0400 Subject: my duplicate messages. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is an issue between GMail and IMAP on the Macintosh. In the mailbox behavior area of your mail account preference pane, you can tell Mail to keep drafts locally. I recommend doing this unless you have a specific reason to edit your outgoing mails on multiple mail clients. Once the message is fully sent by GMAIL the extra drafts go into GMAIL's bin folder. Jonathan On Aug 4, 2011, at 4:11 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Hello to all. I am so sorry for my duplicate messages. for some reason my messages don't leave the drafts folder when I sent them even when I hear the sent sound hence why you guys and some other people are getting 2 and sometimes 4 copies of messages. I'm just letting you know what's going on. > > Take care all. > > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri Aug 5 02:38:54 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 21:38:54 -0400 Subject: FTP Server software. In-Reply-To: References: <61C6BCF532C243CBB3B3C5A4F8E589B2@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <52FAD0E3-AAEB-4644-9209-8F7F029A1000@softcon.com> I'm still a big fan of ncftpd server software, it allows virtual users, and 100 bucks gets you a lifetime registration, and you can have unlimited users, so there are no built-in limitations of any kind. It's of course not a gui interface, but since there's only two configuration files, you can edit them in the text editor of your choice. It can be found at: http://www.ncftpd.com I have no affiliation with ncftp other than the fact that I'm a registered user, and have been for several years. hth. From jdawg1983 at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 02:42:11 2011 From: jdawg1983 at gmail.com (joe quinn) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 20:42:11 -0500 Subject: FTP Server software. References: <61C6BCF532C243CBB3B3C5A4F8E589B2@CNIBnotebook> <52FAD0E3-AAEB-4644-9209-8F7F029A1000@softcon.com> Message-ID: <1DDB6336679D4386949BB48398995976@joseph1> ncftp's a server too? knew it was a client but... cute! is it accessible on the mac, i presume? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 8:38 PM Subject: Re: FTP Server software. > I'm still a big fan of ncftpd server software, it allows virtual users, > and 100 bucks gets you a lifetime registration, and you can have > unlimited users, so there are no built-in limitations of any kind. > It's of course not a gui interface, but since there's only two > configuration files, you can edit them in the text editor of your choice. > It can be found at: > http://www.ncftpd.com > > I have no affiliation with ncftp other than the fact that I'm a > registered user, and have been for several years. > hth. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From joncohn at cox.net Fri Aug 5 02:52:01 2011 From: joncohn at cox.net (Jon Cohn) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 21:52:01 -0400 Subject: access keys In-Reply-To: <8BC1079D-03E3-4CF9-BA2C-47AB9A8331E2@gmail.com> References: <8BC1079D-03E3-4CF9-BA2C-47AB9A8331E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am not sure about Safari, but webkit lets you access them with the control key. So in the main facebook site: control-/ brings you to Facebook search control-1 brings you home control-2 Takes you (I believe) to your profile control-m starts composing a facebook message In either an earlier WebKit or an earlier Facebook, the access keys were announced as part of the "help text" that either is announced after a delay or else when you hit control-option-shift-H If you find additional access keys for FACEbook or GMail, I would be interested in knowing about them. Jonathan On Aug 4, 2011, at 3:24 PM, william lomas wrote: > hi in safari in lion can we use access keys like 1, 2, 3, etc? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Fri Aug 5 02:58:03 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 20:58:03 -0500 Subject: The New Mac Mini In-Reply-To: <8694CC7A-2307-4139-9E6B-2E8106FAA6EC@mac-access.net> References: <8694CC7A-2307-4139-9E6B-2E8106FAA6EC@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6767222F-AB70-408C-9088-2D198AA48872@charter.net> I think it comes with 2 GB, the biggest problem I have with the new minis is the removal of the DVD drive, I think that was a big mistake on apple's part. On Aug 4, 2011, at 1:06 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > I see that Apple has now done away totally with the Intel Core 2 Duo processors in the Mac Mini range, and now their lowest client machine has an I5 processor in it, 2.5 GHZ. That's pretty darn good for the price, I have to admit. I'm not sure how much memory it has; but I can't deny I'm tempted to buy one of those machines as it would run Server without a problem and I'm planning to upgrade the memory in our new server so I could easily put the memory out of that one into the client if it has 2GB which I'm sure it has, then it would have 4. I'm seriously thinking about doing it right now. > > I'm also going to get my other half a MacBook Air for her birthday; as that machine would be absolutely ideal for her when she's doing admin work here. Currently she uses a MacBook Pro 17-inch but its obviously big and pretty cumbersome for her to sit on her lap. Lynne and I like to work together, although on different machines, obviously. And the Air is small, speedy and light (just like her). It looks to be a very very high spec machine and I know that Anne Robertson uses one and is very impressed by it. If Anne says it's alright, then so it must be. So that's Lynne's birthday box sorted. > > Anyway I am waffling. If anybody has experience of the new I5 Mac Mini, (the one that, in the UK store at least, still ships without Server), I'd love to hear about how you find it. Actually on reflection I can't remember just how big the HD is in that machine. Oh, and finally, does anybody know if it's possible to upgrade the drive or drives in a new Mac Mini as in do it yourself? I'm also toying with the idea of buying a couple of SSD drives for our new server. > > Gordon > > > Gordon > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Fri Aug 5 03:00:22 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 21:00:22 -0500 Subject: Office suite on the Mac In-Reply-To: <8C76B6FB70B1400B9EAD043D9D19734F@6ffd52c138504d6> References: <8C76B6FB70B1400B9EAD043D9D19734F@6ffd52c138504d6> Message-ID: <46BB5D43-A24D-4D7A-AFE8-BD63566E68D3@charter.net> You have 2 options, apple's iwork suite, or open office. Both are useable, but each has their own way of learning the program. On Aug 4, 2011, at 3:17 AM, David Griffith wrote: > Dear list > > Whilst I am waiting for my I-Mac to be built and delivered I am trying to > start on the learning curve of getting to grips with the new system. I am > working my way through the podcast on blind Cool tech. I may be looking for > support from this group in the next few weeks so I really hope that things > do not implode with the list. It has already been a useful resource for me. > > As a starter question what is the recommended replacement for Microsoft > office on the Mac? As I understand it the current Mac office is not > accessible with the Mac. My requirements is mainly for using a word > Processer and a Spreadsheet, hopefully doc and xls compatible. I use > Microsoft Outlook in the current office suite for mail calendar etc but it > looks like most are using the native Mac applications here. > I think I read on a apple Accessibility page that Open Office is a good free > accessible alternative. Do people agree? I see that I-Works is a fairly > inexpensive option but it seems that the interface is very different from > Office. Given the learning curve I need to undertake with learning about a > new operating systems I may delay learning about I-Works if Open Office > would be a more familiar interface. Do people think this is a sensible > strategy or should I bite the bullet and go for I-Works immediately. > I have also read in the last few days people referring to Scrivener. > Presumably this is accessible and a Word Processing alternative? Why do > people go the scrivener route? > > Probably enough for now. > Sorry for so many questions. > > > David Griffith > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6348 (20110803) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 03:02:03 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 19:02:03 -0700 Subject: Apple announces iCloud storage pricing Message-ID: I don't like the prices they have her ebut there ya go. Apple announces iCloud storage pricing Apple on Monday unveiled more details about its forthcoming iCloud service, including specifics on pricing. http://macw.us/nwPFAb From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Fri Aug 5 03:31:52 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 12:31:52 +1000 Subject: Well; that didn't take much breaking! In-Reply-To: <00C3C911-5ADB-4E74-ACD6-43E09D8F54C4@mac-access.net> References: <00C3C911-5ADB-4E74-ACD6-43E09D8F54C4@mac-access.net> Message-ID: oh no that sounds nasty that computer should not be doing that On 02/08/2011, at 11:54 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > OK, we now have our first major problem with the new quad core machine so recently acquired from Apple. We just went to boot up the system to try again to resolve the problems we've been having with it and, guess what, it wouldn't boot. I just got a black screen with random lines. So, we thought we'd try recovering the system by booting up while holding down Command+R. So we did, and got a message which said: > "There was a problem while installing Mac OS X Server. Try reinstalling." > then an OK button. Presing the OK button gave me a blank screen. > > So, things were getting pretty desperate now since it is clear our recovery partition is broken. So we tried the little tip; booting while holding down Command+Option+R and hoping it would download what it needed. > > Yes; it seemed to work, I got a "Please wait" icon. Then eventually the system restarted and went into the recovery partition and, guess what: > "There was a problem installing Mac OS X, please try reinstalling". > > So, round and round in circles we go, getting nowhere very quickly. Looks like mission control has a problem, and we have a nice little square brick. > > Of course, getting support from Apple is difficult; no such facilities as they offer to US customers such as callback etc. Ironically, only yesterday I ordered an AppleCare protection plan for this machine, even though the machine is less than a week old. I thought perhaps it might give us that bit of peace of mind. Hum! Not so far. > > I've looked on the Apple website but their support articles don't give much other than very general and basic information away. But if things can't be fixed this machine must go back in its box and either be replaced or they'll have to give us a refund. Not looking good so far, and I hope Jim has more luck. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri Aug 5 03:34:24 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 22:34:24 -0400 Subject: Optimizing Terminal with VoiceOver In-Reply-To: References: <419621E7-7854-44EE-8866-DF3617D15A0B@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <8EF6360B-3092-400A-9E04-065AD138780A@softcon.com> When terminal is scrolling, but I want to read line-by-line (such as during a compile) I simply turn off cursor tracking with vo-shift-f3, and then when I'm finished, I press vo-shift-f3 again, and vo now follows the system cursor again as usual. This method has always worked well for me, whether I was running tiger, leopard, or snow leopard (haven't had a chance to try lion yet), but just figured I'd mention it. Also, just to make things (slightly) better, you may want to go into terminal preferences, and change your cursor from a block cursor to a pointer (or something similar, don't have the terminal preferences in front of me, so it's from memory, but it should get you to the right point) I find that sometimes, the block cursor causes issues, where as the pointer, or blinking, one does not. (odd, I know) but give that a try and see if it helps any. When I get myself a lion machine, I'll test terminal again, and post a configuration that may work better for vo users if they differ significantly from the defaults. On Aug 4, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi Gordon, > > Also, if you encounter the issue where information scrolls so > rapidly down the screen that VoiceOver simply skips to the last > information received, you can simply hit VO-H-H. This enters the > command menu. Simply type "s p ok" and hit enter on the option, and > VoiceOver will not move the cursor as text appears. While VoiceOver > will not read text automatically if this option is selected, you > can use the VoiceOver keys to move down the screen if you are > interacting with the text. > > Regards, > Nic > On Aug 4, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Zack >> >> Have you tried interacting with the terminal window before you >> issue any commands? I know where you're coming from because I >> frequently have to have commands repeated 4 times in order to get >> a legible response in speech or Braille. But I sometimes find >> that interacting before issuing any commands helps. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 4 Aug 2011, at 17:33, Zachary Kline wrote: >> I was wondering about the process of optimizing Terminal usage >> with VoiceOver, ideally for full-screen apps. Does anybody have >> any suggestions for how best to do this? I am using Lion. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac- >> access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted >> to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, >> Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac- > access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted > to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri Aug 5 03:37:47 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 22:37:47 -0400 Subject: ogg plugins for quicktime, In-Reply-To: References: <1935FDBD-961D-4617-9FB0-A4D831A26505@softcon.com> Message-ID: <202221D8-0142-4702-9871-3F8924AB9025@softcon.com> ouch! Sorry about that. The url is: http://xiph.org/quicktime/download.html This takes you directly to the download page to save time, so hope this helps. To install the plugins, simply copy the .qt file into your /library/ components folder on your mac. If you don't want them to be usable by all (not sure why that would be, but ...) just copy it into your library/components folder in your home folder. hth. From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri Aug 5 04:10:26 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 23:10:26 -0400 Subject: FTP Server software. In-Reply-To: <1DDB6336679D4386949BB48398995976@joseph1> References: <61C6BCF532C243CBB3B3C5A4F8E589B2@CNIBnotebook> <52FAD0E3-AAEB-4644-9209-8F7F029A1000@softcon.com> <1DDB6336679D4386949BB48398995976@joseph1> Message-ID: Yes, they have an osx version, as well as a linux one, windows, and probably several other *nix type environments. :) hth. From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 05:37:26 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 21:37:26 -0700 Subject: my duplicate messages. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Actually I have that box to keep drafts on the server unchecked so this should not happen. Plan b? Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Aug 4, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Jon Cohn wrote: > This is an issue between GMail and IMAP on the Macintosh. In the mailbox behavior area of your mail account preference pane, you can tell Mail to keep drafts locally. I recommend doing this unless you have a specific reason to edit your outgoing mails on multiple mail clients. Once the message is fully sent by GMAIL the extra drafts go into GMAIL's bin folder. > > Jonathan > > On Aug 4, 2011, at 4:11 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Hello to all. I am so sorry for my duplicate messages. for some reason my messages don't leave the drafts folder when I sent them even when I hear the sent sound hence why you guys and some other people are getting 2 and sometimes 4 copies of messages. I'm just letting you know what's going on. >> >> Take care all. >> >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From opensesame at me.com Fri Aug 5 06:05:01 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 01:05:01 -0400 Subject: How do I turn off IOS-style auto correct in Lion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello James, In addition to the steps you've already taken, I think there are two other things to check. 1. Make sure you've quit and restarted any applications that take advantage of the global auto-correct feature. I've read in several places that the global change won't take effect until the individual applications have been properly quit and relaunched. 2. I noticed in Lion Mail and TextEdit that there is a menu item named "Correct Spelling Automatically" that can be toggled even if the global setting is off. This is found in the Edit menu / Spelling and Grammar submenu. I assume some other applications will also have this setting. HTH, Bryan On Aug 4, 2011, at 5:57 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: > The subject line says it all how do i do this please, as it is driving me insane. Particularly when I am writing in a language other than English. I have turned off "check spelling automatically" in "Language and Text" preferences, as well as chosen to correct spelling automatically by language. However, as you can see by this message, neither has had an effect. From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Aug 5 06:30:14 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 15:30:14 +1000 Subject: Problems with 1 Password Message-ID: Hi! Someone posted to the list a couple of days ago describing the problems they were having with the 1 Password application for the Mac, to summarise the user was having problems logging into a web site automatically by selecting the site in 1 Password and then using command-option-return to have 1 Password execute the login. The 1 Password application and subsequent Safari extension for 1 Password have both been extensively updated in recent times so I would suggest to the person concerned that he make sure both Safari extension and 1 Password application are up to date before proceeding any further. The user may wish to register on the 1 Password forum where any additional problems can be sorted or any additional questions answered From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 07:16:48 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2011 23:16:48 -0700 Subject: How do I turn off IOS-style auto correct in Lion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47E08D5A-72D3-4670-8960-47119666C640@gmail.com> OOps? forgot about those as well. Thanks for that. Take care all. On Aug 4, 2011, at 10:05 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hello James, > > In addition to the steps you've already taken, I think there are two other things to check. > 1. Make sure you've quit and restarted any applications that take advantage of the global auto-correct feature. I've read in several places that the global change won't take effect until the individual applications have been properly quit and relaunched. > 2. I noticed in Lion Mail and TextEdit that there is a menu item named "Correct Spelling Automatically" that can be toggled even if the global setting is off. This is found in the Edit menu / Spelling and Grammar submenu. I assume some other applications will also have this setting. > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Aug 4, 2011, at 5:57 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: >> The subject line says it all how do i do this please, as it is driving me insane. Particularly when I am writing in a language other than English. I have turned off "check spelling automatically" in "Language and Text" preferences, as well as chosen to correct spelling automatically by language. However, as you can see by this message, neither has had an effect. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Fri Aug 5 09:34:22 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 09:34:22 +0100 Subject: How do I turn off IOS-style auto correct in Lion In-Reply-To: <4E2BA0E7-D20D-409A-8DB2-AF6A9BE3AD91@gmail.com> References: <4E2BA0E7-D20D-409A-8DB2-AF6A9BE3AD91@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you Sarah, unfortunately, I've done this, with no efect. Thanks though James On 5 Aug 2011, at 02:13, Sarah Alawami wrote: > just go to system prefs, then language and text/ text and it's right there. correct spelling automatically,. unchec it and there ya go. > On Aug 4, 2011, at 2:57 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> The subject line says it all how do i do this please, as it is driving me insane. Particularly when I am writing in a language other than English. I have turned off "check spelling automatically" in "Language and Text" preferences, as well as chosen to correct spelling automatically by language. However, as you can see by this message, neither has had an effect. >> >> Any assistance would be greatly appreciated >> >> Thank you >> TC :) >> James >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Fri Aug 5 09:35:47 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 09:35:47 +0100 Subject: How do I turn off IOS-style auto correct in Lion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you so much Bryan, this seems to have done the trick James On 5 Aug 2011, at 06:05, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hello James, > > In addition to the steps you've already taken, I think there are two other things to check. > 1. Make sure you've quit and restarted any applications that take advantage of the global auto-correct feature. I've read in several places that the global change won't take effect until the individual applications have been properly quit and relaunched. > 2. I noticed in Lion Mail and TextEdit that there is a menu item named "Correct Spelling Automatically" that can be toggled even if the global setting is off. This is found in the Edit menu / Spelling and Grammar submenu. I assume some other applications will also have this setting. > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Aug 4, 2011, at 5:57 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: >> The subject line says it all how do i do this please, as it is driving me insane. Particularly when I am writing in a language other than English. I have turned off "check spelling automatically" in "Language and Text" preferences, as well as chosen to correct spelling automatically by language. However, as you can see by this message, neither has had an effect. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Fri Aug 5 10:20:48 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 19:20:48 +1000 Subject: AppleCare; is It Worth the money? In-Reply-To: <2205AA9E-DF36-45E6-8E69-5D98DEAFA4EB@mac-access.net> References: <90DEF085-368E-4748-B68B-955CA43D79C7@mac-access.net> <0LPC00AC8IH7ZS00@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> <2205AA9E-DF36-45E6-8E69-5D98DEAFA4EB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: lol when i got mine dad said oh wow looks like there is a disk in there for you to load took it home opened the box and its just booklets lol just a bunch of print that i can not read lol just as well its the only box in the mac backpack like that or i wouldn't know what it was but at the end of the day its well worth the cash and then when that apple care runs out i am going to sell this mac as a pree loved one and get a new one smiles making sure i put all my data on it first of corse but that is 3 years a way yet smiles take care all apple care is good i love apple products i have a apple i phone too and love it as well smiles and so do little children lol On 03/08/2011, at 7:47 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Matthew > > This seems to be the general consensus; so it looks as though I have spent money well on this occasion. > > Lynne > > On 3 Aug 2011, at 10:31, Matthew Chao wrote: > > I highly recommend it. In my case, having extended contracts/warranties was worth it, as I replaced a lot of equipment this way. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Fri Aug 5 14:05:14 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:05:14 +0100 Subject: How do i activate InfoVox/VisioVoice under OS X Lion Message-ID: Afternoon folks, Could someone please explain how I go about activating VisioVoice under OS X Lion please? I cannot get the application to recognise my authorisation. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you TC :) James From anne at anarchie.org.uk Fri Aug 5 15:24:46 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:24:46 +0200 Subject: How do i activate InfoVox/VisioVoice under OS X Lion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200A8CD0-7D33-4227-A81E-A8125301467A@anarchie.org.uk> Hello James, VisioVoice does not seem to work under Lion. GhostReader is pretty flakey, too. When you do a clean install of Lion, you either have to use a little application you download from the AssistiveWare site, or mess about with permissions for the Preferences folder at root level to be able to activate them. Cheers, Anne On 5 Aug 2011, at 15:05, James AUSTIN wrote: > Afternoon folks, > > Could someone please explain how I go about activating VisioVoice under OS X Lion please? I cannot get the application to recognise my authorisation. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you > TC :) > James > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From d.griffith at btinternet.com Fri Aug 5 16:32:03 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:32:03 +0100 Subject: Learning the Mac In-Reply-To: <0LPF00B1PBY4GBB0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> References: <7A279326862A47A8916FC34E9F7A19C9@6ffd52c138504d6><735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02D5D635AD73@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk><810D8F4E9DC5418C956CBED6B9C844E6@6ffd52c138504d6> <0LPF00B1PBY4GBB0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <96A94A1C846C436081DA6C44CCBD4C34@6ffd52c138504d6> I Googled it. Woodbridge vision Australia -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Chao Sent: Thursday, 04 August 2011 23:04 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: RE: Learning the Mac Hello. How do I get to this site? Would also like to have a listen. Thanks. Matthew Chao At 10:47 AM 8/4/2011, you wrote: >Thanks I am downloading them now > >-----Original Message----- >From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >[mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sunil Peck >Sent: Thursday, 04 August 2011 14:30 >To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >Subject: RE: Learning the Mac > >David Woodbridge's Vision Australia podcasts are superb. There are about 25 >of them on topics like using Safari, Mail, moving applications to the doc >and renaming files. They last about 4 or 5 minutes and he explains >everything very well. Listening to them before my Mac arrived gave me a head >start. They're all about using the Mac with Snow Leopard but I wouldn't have >thought that will matter much even if you're using Lion. They'll at least >help you get to grips with the basics. > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >[mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith >Sent: 04 August 2011 13:55 >To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' >Subject: Learning the Mac > >Thanks for advice so far. >I will heed the advice to take it steady and slow. I know there are often >frustrations whilst getting to grips with new systems. However I do want to >collect some resources to help me when the I-Mac comes. This approach is >partly shaped by the experience of a friend . He is also visually impaired >who has recently acquired at work a Mac book pro and bought an Air for >use at home. He is struggling, even after following the Voiceover tutorial >and having some Apple training. The problem with the Apple trainers was >apparently that they were very unfamiliar with voiceover. So resources for a >new Mac user using voiceover would be very welcome not just for me but him >also. I do not think he has even got to grips with email yet for example so >I cannot get him to join this list. Another problem is that his workplace >are also inexpert in this area. They installed Microsoft office on his Mac >not realising that this would be inaccessible for him to use with voiceover. > >Is there any other useful guides which would help a long time Jaws and XP >user to move onto the Mac? >I saw a post earlier advertising publications under the heading of take >control of the Mac. It is not clear if these are aimed at new voiceover >users. 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Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6353 (20110805) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6353 (20110805) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From support at mac-access.net Fri Aug 5 16:55:46 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 16:55:46 +0100 Subject: Websites for Mac Access Message-ID: Hello deverybody We just wanted to let you know that we are aware of, and even as I write, trying to rectify the DNS problem with our websites. We also realise it's impacting on our clients and we are frustrated by that. We've been detained at hospital all day so haven't been able to fix the problem. Gordon is home now and, although supposed to be resting, is now working to try and fix this issue. We apologise. Lynne ------------------------------ Gordon & Lynne Smith, Are you an iOS or Mac OS fan? If so, consider joining our vibrant community of fellow-enthusiasts. To join our forum, send a message to: with the word "subscribe" [no quotes] in the subject line of your message. Or else, visit: ------------------------------ From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Fri Aug 5 18:01:46 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:01:46 -0500 Subject: Learning the Mac Message-ID: <201108051701.p75H1koP039405@x.it.okstate.edu> "David Griffith" writes: > I Googled it. > Woodbridge vision Australia Thank you. The download button is right there and the podcasts are zipped nicely in to a single file. Just as an observation, I use Snowleopard on my Mac at work but there are two Macs belonging to family members who still run Tiger. Tiger was the first MacOS to have Voiceover and if you ever run across it, you will notice the voice is not as natural-sounding as Alex, but it sure beats nothing. The other observation is that using the VO-arrows takes a little getting used to because there is no stop signal when you reach the end of a number of possible selections. It just goes back to the top again. The first time, I felt like a living version of the joke in which you write "How do you keep a moron busy? See other side" on a piece of paper and then write the same thing on the other side. Voiceover in Tiger just doesn't have quite as smooth a feel as you run it that it does today. Martin McCormick From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Fri Aug 5 18:21:03 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy Duffy) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 13:21:03 -0400 Subject: ogg plugins for quicktime, In-Reply-To: <202221D8-0142-4702-9871-3F8924AB9025@softcon.com> References: <1935FDBD-961D-4617-9FB0-A4D831A26505@softcon.com> <202221D8-0142-4702-9871-3F8924AB9025@softcon.com> Message-ID: <4C11F546-D8ED-436A-B036-504904733CCC@nc.rr.com> I didn't realize there was a difference. Where is this library components folder that I should copy the qt files into? Thanks. Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. tracyduffy at nc.rr.com On Aug 4, 2011, at 10:37 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > ouch! > Sorry about that. The url is: > http://xiph.org/quicktime/download.html > This takes you directly to the download page to save time, so hope this helps. > To install the plugins, simply copy the .qt file into your /library/components folder on your mac. If you don't want them to be usable by all (not sure why that would be, but ...) just copy it into your library/components folder in your home folder. > hth. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 18:36:57 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 10:36:57 -0700 Subject: ogg plugins for quicktime, In-Reply-To: <4C11F546-D8ED-436A-B036-504904733CCC@nc.rr.com> References: <1935FDBD-961D-4617-9FB0-A4D831A26505@softcon.com> <202221D8-0142-4702-9871-3F8924AB9025@softcon.com> <4C11F546-D8ED-436A-B036-504904733CCC@nc.rr.com> Message-ID: ~username/library and go from there. On Aug 5, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Tracy Duffy wrote: > I didn't realize there was a difference. Where is this library components folder that I should copy the qt files into? Thanks. > > Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. > tracyduffy at nc.rr.com > > > > > On Aug 4, 2011, at 10:37 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > >> ouch! >> Sorry about that. The url is: >> http://xiph.org/quicktime/download.html >> This takes you directly to the download page to save time, so hope this helps. >> To install the plugins, simply copy the .qt file into your /library/components folder on your mac. If you don't want them to be usable by all (not sure why that would be, but ...) just copy it into your library/components folder in your home folder. >> hth. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From andre.nuno.soares at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 19:40:28 2011 From: andre.nuno.soares at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Nuno_Soares?=) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 19:40:28 +0100 Subject: access keys In-Reply-To: References: <8BC1079D-03E3-4CF9-BA2C-47AB9A8331E2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2446839A-B9AD-49B5-8E41-6B28AEBB200C@gmail.com> Hello all, This also works in Safari. To activate an access key, use control + access key . To find out if a given link has an access key associated, press VO Shift H. After speaking the help text (if available) VO will say something like "Access Key available, k", where k is the access key. HTH, Andr? On Aug 5, 2011, at 2:52 AM, Jon Cohn wrote: > I am not sure about Safari, but webkit lets you access them with the control key. > > So in the main facebook site: > > control-/ brings you to Facebook search > control-1 brings you home > control-2 Takes you (I believe) to your profile > control-m starts composing a facebook message > > In either an earlier WebKit or an earlier Facebook, the access keys were announced as part of the "help text" that either is announced after a delay or else when you hit > control-option-shift-H > > If you find additional access keys for FACEbook or GMail, I would be interested in knowing about them. > > Jonathan > > > > On Aug 4, 2011, at 3:24 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> hi in safari in lion can we use access keys like 1, 2, 3, etc? >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From andre.nuno.soares at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 19:48:00 2011 From: andre.nuno.soares at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Nuno_Soares?=) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 19:48:00 +0100 Subject: Screen Curtain Turned on by accident; I turn it off by? In-Reply-To: References: <52B2F731-EE09-431A-B9BE-9CD3DD330144@mac-access.net> <4F0B48D7-E278-4597-871B-4CD1C70B69B6@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <62434E15-A9E0-435E-A6AF-1541072FEBDB@gmail.com> Hello, Just for completion sake, you can also do VO Shift F11, to toggle Screen Curtain on or off. HTH, Andr? On Aug 4, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Thank you Chris > > On 4 Aug 2011, at 12:30, Chris Moore wrote: > > 3 finger triple tap > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Fri Aug 5 20:06:37 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 20:06:37 +0100 Subject: access keys In-Reply-To: <2446839A-B9AD-49B5-8E41-6B28AEBB200C@gmail.com> References: <8BC1079D-03E3-4CF9-BA2C-47AB9A8331E2@gmail.com> <2446839A-B9AD-49B5-8E41-6B28AEBB200C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jon and Andr? Those access keys were driving me mad but thanks to you I now know I need the control key! Thick o here thought you just pressed the access key only! Oh well now I know :] Colin On 5 Aug 2011, at 19:40, Andr? Nuno Soares wrote: > Hello all, > > This also works in Safari. > > To activate an access key, use control + access key . > > To find out if a given link has an access key associated, press VO Shift H. > After speaking the help text (if available) VO will say something like "Access Key available, k", where k is the access key. > > > HTH, > Andr? > > On Aug 5, 2011, at 2:52 AM, Jon Cohn wrote: > >> I am not sure about Safari, but webkit lets you access them with the control key. >> >> So in the main facebook site: >> >> control-/ brings you to Facebook search >> control-1 brings you home >> control-2 Takes you (I believe) to your profile >> control-m starts composing a facebook message >> >> In either an earlier WebKit or an earlier Facebook, the access keys were announced as part of the "help text" that either is announced after a delay or else when you hit >> control-option-shift-H >> >> If you find additional access keys for FACEbook or GMail, I would be interested in knowing about them. >> >> Jonathan >> >> >> >> On Aug 4, 2011, at 3:24 PM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> hi in safari in lion can we use access keys like 1, 2, 3, etc? >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From christopherh40 at googlemail.com Fri Aug 5 20:33:28 2011 From: christopherh40 at googlemail.com (chris hallsworth) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2011 20:33:28 +0100 Subject: Table Indexes and bluetooth keyboards Message-ID: <4E3C4588.4060405@googlemail.com> Hello all. How do I access the table indexes seen in some apps both built in and third party using a bluetooth keyboard? In other words, I can single tap the very bottom edge of the screen to select table index, but I cannot get to it with the keyboard. This is on an iPod Touch 4G with iOS 4.3.5. Many thanks. Chat soon. -- Chris Hallsworth Sent from Thunderbird From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Fri Aug 5 22:23:44 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 22:23:44 +0100 Subject: How to attach IDE tags to items in Unknown Artist/Unknown Album Message-ID: Hello, I have been ripping an Audio CD of microwave recipes. All the MP3 files therein are stored in my iTunes Media Folder under Unknown Artist/Unknown Album. the tracks have names like 01 Track 01.mp3 and alas a lot of other tracks on other audio books have the same track names. I would like to modify the IDE tags for these tracks but cannot work out how to do this. Searching in iTunes for Unknown Artist or Unknown Album does not work, and searching for " Track " results in hundreds of irrelevant tracks. In other cases like Calibre books the tracks of a given book all have names like 007125... so I can easily enter this search string inot the itunes search and thereby get all the desired tracks (and only the desired tracks) into the music table. I can then select all these tracks and do Command+i to apply IDE tags to them all. Alas this does not work for files with names like 01 Track 01. Any suggestions? I know how to do this in Windows with a tag editor but do not know how to do this on the MAC. As it is a one off I don't want to have to buy any special software. Many thanks. Paul Hopewell From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 22:29:13 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 14:29:13 -0700 Subject: How to attach IDE tags to items in Unknown Artist/Unknown Album In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <209D01F5-0F41-41A0-BA44-A60BE649C0ED@gmail.com> go to the recently added thing and select all the stuff you just ripped. Now hit cmd I and hit yes. Now edit to your hart's content. I hope I didn't skip a step. I have not done this in a wile. Take care all. On Aug 5, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello, > I have been ripping an Audio CD of microwave recipes. All the MP3 files therein are stored in my iTunes Media Folder under Unknown Artist/Unknown Album. the tracks have names like 01 Track 01.mp3 and alas a lot of other tracks on other audio books have the same track names. > > I would like to modify the IDE tags for these tracks but cannot work out how to do this. Searching in iTunes for Unknown Artist or Unknown Album does not work, and searching for " Track " results in hundreds of irrelevant tracks. In other cases like Calibre books the tracks of a given book all have names like 007125... so I can easily enter this search string inot the itunes search and thereby get all the desired tracks (and only the desired tracks) into the music table. I can then select all these tracks and do Command+i to apply IDE tags to them all. Alas this does not work for files with names like 01 Track 01. > > Any suggestions? I know how to do this in Windows with a tag editor but do not know how to do this on the MAC. As it is a one off I don't want to have to buy any special software. > > Many thanks. > > Paul Hopewell > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Aug 5 22:43:10 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 22:43:10 +0100 Subject: The New Mac Mini In-Reply-To: <6767222F-AB70-408C-9088-2D198AA48872@charter.net> References: <8694CC7A-2307-4139-9E6B-2E8106FAA6EC@mac-access.net> <6767222F-AB70-408C-9088-2D198AA48872@charter.net> Message-ID: Hi Mike What I overlooked here is that the new Mini has 2GB, but in 1GB modules I believe. As for the DVD drive, with all due respect I think this is just human nature coming into play again. It really really isn't that big deal having to use an external drive I have found. it isn't like you are forced to buy a certain type of drive. Gordon On 5 Aug 2011, at 02:58, Mike Arrigo wrote: I think it comes with 2 GB, the biggest problem I have with the new minis is the removal of the DVD drive, I think that was a big mistake on apple's part. From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Aug 5 23:00:11 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 23:00:11 +0100 Subject: Well; that didn't take much breaking! In-Reply-To: References: <00C3C911-5ADB-4E74-ACD6-43E09D8F54C4@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Krystal Well, we eventually got this fixed, no need to worry. :) Gordon On 5 Aug 2011, at 03:31, krystal watson wrote: oh no that sounds nasty that computer should not be doing that From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Fri Aug 5 23:06:24 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 08:06:24 +1000 Subject: Well; that didn't take much breaking! In-Reply-To: References: <00C3C911-5ADB-4E74-ACD6-43E09D8F54C4@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <929DF6E8-F184-4DB1-B02F-86BE58A4BAFE@bluebottle.com> cool smiley does the macacsess server work yet On 06/08/2011, at 8:00 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Krystal > > Well, we eventually got this fixed, no need to worry. :) > > Gordon > > On 5 Aug 2011, at 03:31, krystal watson wrote: > > oh no that sounds nasty that computer should not be doing that > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Aug 5 23:06:24 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 23:06:24 +0100 Subject: For Krystal; Re: AppleCare; is It Worth the money? In-Reply-To: References: <90DEF085-368E-4748-B68B-955CA43D79C7@mac-access.net> <0LPC00AC8IH7ZS00@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> <2205AA9E-DF36-45E6-8E69-5D98DEAFA4EB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Krystal Just to let you know that you can actually read the contents of all those booklets on line at the Applcare Resources website. Lynne On 5 Aug 2011, at 10:20, krystal watson wrote: lol when i got mine dad said oh wow looks like there is a disk in there for you to load took it home opened the box and its just booklets lol just a bunch of print that i can not read lol just as well its the only box in the mac backpack like that or i wouldn't know what it was but at the end of the day its well worth the cash and then when that apple care runs out i am going to sell this mac as a pree loved one and get a new one smiles making sure i put all my data on it first of corse but that is 3 years a way yet smiles take care all apple care is good i love apple products i have a apple i phone too and love it as well smiles and so do little children lol 03/08/2011, at 7:47 PM, Mrs. From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Aug 5 23:07:42 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 23:07:42 +0100 Subject: How do i activate InfoVox/VisioVoice under OS X Lion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello James We are currently in discussions with David about this issue as well. Lynne On 5 Aug 2011, at 14:05, James AUSTIN wrote: Could someone please explain how I go about activating VisioVoice under OS X Lion please? I cannot get the application to recognise my authorisation. From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Fri Aug 5 23:09:49 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 08:09:49 +1000 Subject: For Krystal; Re: AppleCare; is It Worth the money? In-Reply-To: References: <90DEF085-368E-4748-B68B-955CA43D79C7@mac-access.net> <0LPC00AC8IH7ZS00@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> <2205AA9E-DF36-45E6-8E69-5D98DEAFA4EB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: cool smiles didn't know that thanks On 06/08/2011, at 8:06 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Krystal > > Just to let you know that you can actually read the contents of all those booklets on line at the Applcare Resources website. > > Lynne > > > On 5 Aug 2011, at 10:20, krystal watson wrote: > > lol when i got mine dad said oh wow looks like there is a disk in there for you to load took it home opened the box and its just booklets lol just a bunch of print that i can not read lol just as well its the only box in the mac backpack like that or i wouldn't know what it was but at the end of the day its well worth the cash and then when that apple care runs out i am going to sell this mac as a pree loved one and get a new one smiles making sure i put all my data on it first of corse but that is 3 years a way yet smiles take care all apple care is good i love apple products i have a apple i phone too and love it as well smiles and so do little children lol > > 03/08/2011, at 7:47 PM, Mrs. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Aug 5 23:14:00 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 23:14:00 +0100 Subject: Well; that didn't take much breaking! In-Reply-To: <929DF6E8-F184-4DB1-B02F-86BE58A4BAFE@bluebottle.com> References: <00C3C911-5ADB-4E74-ACD6-43E09D8F54C4@mac-access.net> <929DF6E8-F184-4DB1-B02F-86BE58A4BAFE@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: <17D59330-84DD-4FB0-8FE4-B55CEBCA1276@mac-access.net> Hello Krystal That is one issue our engineer, (Gordon) is still working on. But I keep making him stop to rest; he's getting frustrated about that actually, but it's necessary. I was reprimanded by a now former list member for talking about personal issues on list, so I won't. But we hope to have that site back up shortly. Most of the others are fixed, just not that one. Our blog is working though if it's of any use to you. You can find that at Lynne On 5 Aug 2011, at 23:06, krystal watson wrote: cool smiley does the macacsess server work yet From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Fri Aug 5 23:27:23 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 19:27:23 -0300 Subject: FTP Server software. In-Reply-To: <52FAD0E3-AAEB-4644-9209-8F7F029A1000@softcon.com> References: <61C6BCF532C243CBB3B3C5A4F8E589B2@CNIBnotebook> <52FAD0E3-AAEB-4644-9209-8F7F029A1000@softcon.com> Message-ID: <97ACA74C894C48EFB296A55A76F78456@MainComputer> Travis: Could you give me the exact syntax to enter in terminal in order to install the FTP server? Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 10:38 PM Subject: Re: FTP Server software. > I'm still a big fan of ncftpd server software, it allows virtual users, > and 100 bucks gets you a lifetime registration, and you can have > unlimited users, so there are no built-in limitations of any kind. > It's of course not a gui interface, but since there's only two > configuration files, you can edit them in the text editor of your choice. > It can be found at: > http://www.ncftpd.com > > I have no affiliation with ncftp other than the fact that I'm a > registered user, and have been for several years. > hth. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6352 (20110805) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6353 (20110805) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From billd at insightbb.com Sat Aug 6 03:21:38 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (bill Deatherage) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 22:21:38 -0400 Subject: changing settings on the mac Message-ID: Hello, I had to change my router so I now have to make the change on my mac. I know that all I have to do is find the new connection and change the password. the only thing is that I don?t remember how to do this. by the way, I am talking about my Y Fi connection. Thanks in advance. Bill Deatherage From jdawg1983 at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 04:04:33 2011 From: jdawg1983 at gmail.com (joe quinn) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 22:04:33 -0500 Subject: games for the mac Message-ID: <362A6F3294064F31A11DECBECCA89F27@joseph1> pardon if this's been asked before, but, are there any games for the mac? sides RS, that is? From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 04:21:51 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 20:21:51 -0700 Subject: games for the mac In-Reply-To: <362A6F3294064F31A11DECBECCA89F27@joseph1> References: <362A6F3294064F31A11DECBECCA89F27@joseph1> Message-ID: Not that I now of. I know there are some game emulators but since I don't use those I really dunno. Take care. On Aug 5, 2011, at 8:04 PM, joe quinn wrote: > pardon if this's been asked before, but, are there any games for the mac? sides RS, that is? > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 04:22:24 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 20:22:24 -0700 Subject: changing settings on the mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <302D357C-D0BE-4636-8B0D-B7B0960C6C5A@gmail.com> go to the airport settings in the status menu and go to air port prefs. and choose the wifi connection you want to change. I hope. Take care. On Aug 5, 2011, at 7:21 PM, bill Deatherage wrote: > Hello, > I had to change my router so I now have to make the change on my mac. I know that all I have to do is find the new connection and change the password. the only thing is that I don?t remember how to do this. by the way, I am talking about my Y Fi connection. > Thanks in advance. > Bill Deatherage > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Sat Aug 6 11:10:04 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian Mcnamara) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 11:10:04 +0100 Subject: games for the mac In-Reply-To: <362A6F3294064F31A11DECBECCA89F27@joseph1> References: <362A6F3294064F31A11DECBECCA89F27@joseph1> Message-ID: <4A4DED88-07A7-4444-A8CE-83BB17C50282@googlemail.com> Hi jo there is apple chess that is built in to the mac if the preferences are set it is accessible to play although there are not really any other games for the mac yet. Ian McNamara From gordon at mac-access.net Sat Aug 6 12:30:37 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 12:30:37 +0100 Subject: Radio Player Message-ID: <22C28B82-36FB-4395-B748-5A15C93320A0@mac-access.net> Hi all Has anybody tried the "Radio Player" site for accessibility? I guess this applies mostly to UK residents, but it might be available elsewhere I'm not sure. Just interested. Gordon From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Sat Aug 6 12:37:34 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 12:37:34 +0100 Subject: Selecting multiple tracks in itunes 10.4 Message-ID: Hello, Does anyone know how to reliably select multiple tracks from the music table in iTunes 10.4 on Lion? I need to do this to change some IDE tags. Select All sometimes works and sometimes does not and I cannot figure out why. Even if Select All always worked it does not help as I only want to select some of the tracks in the music table. I have tried all the usual ways to select items but nothing seems to work. Many thanks for any help. Paul Hopewell From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Sat Aug 6 13:14:17 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 13:14:17 +0100 Subject: Selecting multiple tracks in itunes 10.4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4199DFFC-9CC2-48C8-B6D3-53CA411FC639@virginmedia.com> Hi Paul! When you say [all the usual ways] does that include the cursor tracking off method!? If not go to the first track [and if you do not have your mouse cursor following the vo cursor] then bring it with vo+command+f5 then turn off cursor tracking with vo+shift+f3 [then if it is a long list] lock vo keys with vo+semi colon! Now you can just arrow down through your list and press command+space on each track you wish to check! [not forgetting to check the first one] to check your selection at any time just press f6 and that will tell you all selected items! You can go back to any that you do not want and just command+space on them to deselect! When your happy unlock vo keys with semi colon and then command+i should put you in the familiar place! Oh yeah do not forget to put cursor tracking back on with the same command you used to turn it off! If this works in Lion of course! :] hth Colin On 6 Aug 2011, at 12:37, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello, > Does anyone know how to reliably select multiple tracks from the music table in iTunes 10.4 on Lion? I need to do this to change some IDE tags. Select All sometimes works and sometimes does not and I cannot figure out why. Even if Select All always worked it does not help as I only want to select some of the tracks in the music table. I have tried all the usual ways to select items but nothing seems to work. > Many thanks for any help. > > Paul Hopewell > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Sat Aug 6 13:40:17 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 13:40:17 +0100 Subject: Selecting multiple tracks in itunes 10.4 In-Reply-To: <4199DFFC-9CC2-48C8-B6D3-53CA411FC639@virginmedia.com> References: <4199DFFC-9CC2-48C8-B6D3-53CA411FC639@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <8F9A7B76-07FA-4799-96B8-BF15FF38612A@hopewell.org.uk> Hello Colin, Many thanks for the attached. Yes it did work and on Lion too! Best wishes.... Paul Hopewell On 6 Aug 2011, at 13:14, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi Paul! > When you say [all the usual ways] does that include the cursor tracking off method!? > If not go to the first track [and if you do not have your mouse cursor following the vo cursor] then bring it with vo+command+f5 then turn off cursor tracking with vo+shift+f3 [then if it is a long list] lock vo keys with vo+semi colon! > Now you can just arrow down through your list and press command+space on each track you wish to check! > [not forgetting to check the first one] > to check your selection at any time just press f6 and that will tell you all selected items! > You can go back to any that you do not want and just command+space on them to deselect! > When your happy unlock vo keys with semi colon and then command+i should put you in the familiar place! > Oh yeah do not forget to put cursor tracking back on with the same command you used to turn it off! > If this works in Lion of course! :] > hth Colin > On 6 Aug 2011, at 12:37, Paul Hopewell wrote: > >> Hello, >> Does anyone know how to reliably select multiple tracks from the music table in iTunes 10.4 on Lion? I need to do this to change some IDE tags. Select All sometimes works and sometimes does not and I cannot figure out why. Even if Select All always worked it does not help as I only want to select some of the tracks in the music table. I have tried all the usual ways to select items but nothing seems to work. >> Many thanks for any help. >> >> Paul Hopewell >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From anne at anarchie.org.uk Sat Aug 6 14:52:09 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:52:09 +0200 Subject: Radio Player In-Reply-To: <22C28B82-36FB-4395-B748-5A15C93320A0@mac-access.net> References: <22C28B82-36FB-4395-B748-5A15C93320A0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0EAEFA17-D6DA-4F33-B78E-68610D1C39B3@anarchie.org.uk> Hello Gordon, On 6 Aug 2011, at 13:30, Gordon Smith wrote: > > > Has anybody tried the "Radio Player" site for accessibility? I've just tried it and it appears to be mostly inaccessible. It uses Flash and several of the buttons are not seen by VoiceOver. You can't even do the trick of using the trackpad to move the mouse and hearing what's under the mouse as these buttons are not voiced. Cheers, Anne From tsiegel at softcon.com Sat Aug 6 15:07:31 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 10:07:31 -0400 Subject: games for the mac In-Reply-To: <362A6F3294064F31A11DECBECCA89F27@joseph1> References: <362A6F3294064F31A11DECBECCA89F27@joseph1> Message-ID: There are several games foro the mac, most of the ones I know of, are ones I've ported myself from other versions of code. You can find them at http://mac.softcon.com/games I had asked for testers for an rpg game I'd been working on the audyssey list, but got only a few takers, and of those, not a single one actually gave feedback, so the project was dropped. I also have a port of bsc's chopper game located at: http://www.thesiegelsnest.us/games You'll need the sfml libraries to play it, but it works, and is just intended to be a demonstration of how simple it is to write cross platform games that will work on windows, linux, and osx, so it's rather simplistic, but there's no reason it couldn't be expanded into a full-blown game or serve as a sample for others (which was it's intent). I've also gotten permission from one windows developer to port some of his older games to the mac, but until I fix my intel mac, that project is on hold. There are other games playable on the mac, and the audyssey list mentions them from time to time, but I must admit I monitor that group, but rarely read the messages on it, so what's been posted is likely in my inbox, but I've not been paying attention to them. But, in any case, to say there's no games for the mac is incorrect. There are some, they're just scattered all over the place, and finding them is a bit of a challenge. :) From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 15:23:27 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 07:23:27 -0700 Subject: Selecting multiple tracks in itunes 10.4 In-Reply-To: <8F9A7B76-07FA-4799-96B8-BF15FF38612A@hopewell.org.uk> References: <4199DFFC-9CC2-48C8-B6D3-53CA411FC639@virginmedia.com> <8F9A7B76-07FA-4799-96B8-BF15FF38612A@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <2514E74B-AC15-4B5E-9341-AD0D558D75E3@gmail.com> Actually on lion all you do is of up and down arrow and hit vo cmd space to select on the treks. no need to turn curser tracking off anymore. Cool huh? On Aug 6, 2011, at 5:40 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello Colin, > Many thanks for the attached. Yes it did work and on Lion too! > Best wishes.... > > Paul Hopewell > On 6 Aug 2011, at 13:14, Red.Falcon wrote: > >> Hi Paul! >> When you say [all the usual ways] does that include the cursor tracking off method!? >> If not go to the first track [and if you do not have your mouse cursor following the vo cursor] then bring it with vo+command+f5 then turn off cursor tracking with vo+shift+f3 [then if it is a long list] lock vo keys with vo+semi colon! >> Now you can just arrow down through your list and press command+space on each track you wish to check! >> [not forgetting to check the first one] >> to check your selection at any time just press f6 and that will tell you all selected items! >> You can go back to any that you do not want and just command+space on them to deselect! >> When your happy unlock vo keys with semi colon and then command+i should put you in the familiar place! >> Oh yeah do not forget to put cursor tracking back on with the same command you used to turn it off! >> If this works in Lion of course! :] >> hth Colin >> On 6 Aug 2011, at 12:37, Paul Hopewell wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> Does anyone know how to reliably select multiple tracks from the music table in iTunes 10.4 on Lion? I need to do this to change some IDE tags. Select All sometimes works and sometimes does not and I cannot figure out why. Even if Select All always worked it does not help as I only want to select some of the tracks in the music table. I have tried all the usual ways to select items but nothing seems to work. >>> Many thanks for any help. >>> >>> Paul Hopewell >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jdawg1983 at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 15:56:58 2011 From: jdawg1983 at gmail.com (joe quinn) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 09:56:58 -0500 Subject: Radio Player References: <22C28B82-36FB-4395-B748-5A15C93320A0@mac-access.net> <0EAEFA17-D6DA-4F33-B78E-68610D1C39B3@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <9D257537E75246FF8E9CD1E4CEBD78EC@joseph1> radioplayer? what's that? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Robertson" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 8:52 AM Subject: Re: Radio Player > Hello Gordon, > > On 6 Aug 2011, at 13:30, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >> >> Has anybody tried the "Radio Player" site for accessibility? > > I've just tried it and it appears to be mostly inaccessible. It uses Flash > and several of the buttons are not seen by VoiceOver. You can't even do > the trick of using the trackpad to move the mouse and hearing what's under > the mouse as these buttons are not voiced. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Sat Aug 6 16:20:32 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 01:20:32 +1000 Subject: games for the mac In-Reply-To: References: <362A6F3294064F31A11DECBECCA89F27@joseph1> Message-ID: <87FEE409-54F2-41A2-8E5C-7D0B300E9C90@bluebottle.com> i tried both of those adresses and it said can not open the page as it can not be found and forbiddon can not load the page so not fair On 07/08/2011, at 12:07 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: > There are several games foro the mac, most of the ones I know of, are ones I've ported myself from other versions of code. > You can find them at > http://mac.softcon.com/games > > I had asked for testers for an rpg game I'd been working on the audyssey list, but got only a few takers, and of those, not a single one actually gave feedback, so the project was dropped. > I also have a port of bsc's chopper game located at: > http://www.thesiegelsnest.us/games > You'll need the sfml libraries to play it, but it works, and is just intended to be a demonstration of how simple it is to write cross platform games that will work on windows, linux, and osx, so it's rather simplistic, but there's no reason it couldn't be expanded into a full-blown game or serve as a sample for others (which was it's intent). > I've also gotten permission from one windows developer to port some of his older games to the mac, but until I fix my intel mac, that project is on hold. > There are other games playable on the mac, and the audyssey list mentions them from time to time, but I must admit I monitor that group, but rarely read the messages on it, so what's been posted is likely in my inbox, but I've not been paying attention to them. > But, in any case, to say there's no games for the mac is incorrect. > There are some, they're just scattered all over the place, and finding them is a bit of a challenge. :) > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jpanarese at mac-access.net Sat Aug 6 16:55:53 2011 From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:55:53 -0400 Subject: Selecting multiple tracks in itunes 10.4 In-Reply-To: <2514E74B-AC15-4B5E-9341-AD0D558D75E3@gmail.com> References: <4199DFFC-9CC2-48C8-B6D3-53CA411FC639@virginmedia.com> <8F9A7B76-07FA-4799-96B8-BF15FF38612A@hopewell.org.uk> <2514E74B-AC15-4B5E-9341-AD0D558D75E3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, once interacting with the list or table or group, just use control-option-command-spacebar to go into selection mode. Then, navigate as usual and repeat the same key sequence to select each item. Hitting VO keys-F6 will indicate what you currently have selected. To leave selection mode, use any OS X command, such as command-c to copy, or just stop interacting. This is, again, a new feature in Lion. Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net On Aug 6, 2011, at 10:23 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Actually on lion all you do is of up and down arrow and hit vo cmd space to select on the treks. no need to turn curser tracking off anymore. Cool huh? > On Aug 6, 2011, at 5:40 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > >> Hello Colin, >> Many thanks for the attached. Yes it did work and on Lion too! >> Best wishes.... >> >> Paul Hopewell >> On 6 Aug 2011, at 13:14, Red.Falcon wrote: >> >>> Hi Paul! >>> When you say [all the usual ways] does that include the cursor tracking off method!? >>> If not go to the first track [and if you do not have your mouse cursor following the vo cursor] then bring it with vo+command+f5 then turn off cursor tracking with vo+shift+f3 [then if it is a long list] lock vo keys with vo+semi colon! >>> Now you can just arrow down through your list and press command+space on each track you wish to check! >>> [not forgetting to check the first one] >>> to check your selection at any time just press f6 and that will tell you all selected items! >>> You can go back to any that you do not want and just command+space on them to deselect! >>> When your happy unlock vo keys with semi colon and then command+i should put you in the familiar place! >>> Oh yeah do not forget to put cursor tracking back on with the same command you used to turn it off! >>> If this works in Lion of course! :] >>> hth Colin >>> On 6 Aug 2011, at 12:37, Paul Hopewell wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> Does anyone know how to reliably select multiple tracks from the music table in iTunes 10.4 on Lion? I need to do this to change some IDE tags. Select All sometimes works and sometimes does not and I cannot figure out why. Even if Select All always worked it does not help as I only want to select some of the tracks in the music table. I have tried all the usual ways to select items but nothing seems to work. >>>> Many thanks for any help. >>>> >>>> Paul Hopewell >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jpanarese at mac-access.net Sat Aug 6 17:44:42 2011 From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 12:44:42 -0400 Subject: Take Control Books, a personal recommendation Message-ID: Hi folks, I know it has been talked about here a few times, but I wanted to highly recommend the series of Take Control books Mac-Access has made available. This partnership they have is, to me, a great thing for the group. I have found the Take Control books to be easy to use and quite informative. If you are new to Lion, for example, there are two books I'd really consider reading, Take Control of Upgrading to Lion, and, Take Control of Using Lion. On top of that, the interface Gordon has created for accessing ones bookshelf is well done and easy to use. It's a far better process than trying to actually navigate the Take Control website. I want to commend the job Gordon and Lynne are doing, and, again, recommend the TC books to anyone using a Mac or interested in the Mac in more detail. Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net From zkline at speedpost.net Sat Aug 6 18:38:23 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 10:38:23 -0700 Subject: Take Control Books, a personal recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi John, I'm wondering how to actually go about accessing this bookshelf? I can't seem to find links to it on the mac-access.net site. Best, Zack. On Aug 6, 2011, at 9:44 AM, John Panarese wrote: > Hi folks, > I know it has been talked about here a few times, but I wanted to highly recommend the series of Take Control books Mac-Access has made available. This partnership they have is, to me, a great thing for the group. I have found the Take Control books to be easy to use and quite informative. If you are new to Lion, for example, there are two books I'd really consider reading, Take Control of Upgrading to Lion, and, Take Control of Using Lion. > > On top of that, the interface Gordon has created for accessing ones bookshelf is well done and easy to use. It's a far better process than trying to actually navigate the Take Control website. I want to commend the job Gordon and Lynne are doing, and, again, recommend the TC books to anyone using a Mac or interested in the Mac in more detail. > > Take Care > John Panarese > jpanarese at mac-access.net > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jpanarese at mac-access.net Sat Aug 6 18:45:04 2011 From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese) Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 13:45:04 -0400 Subject: Take Control Books, a personal recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Zack, This is something Gordon or Lynne is much better suited to answer. You should contact them off list to inquire about the books and how to go about getting them and, subsequently, having a bookshelf established to access them. Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net On Aug 6, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi John, > I'm wondering how to actually go about accessing this bookshelf? I can't seem to find links to it on the mac-access.net site. > Best, > Zack. > On Aug 6, 2011, at 9:44 AM, John Panarese wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> I know it has been talked about here a few times, but I wanted to highly recommend the series of Take Control books Mac-Access has made available. This partnership they have is, to me, a great thing for the group. I have found the Take Control books to be easy to use and quite informative. If you are new to Lion, for example, there are two books I'd really consider reading, Take Control of Upgrading to Lion, and, Take Control of Using Lion. >> >> On top of that, the interface Gordon has created for accessing ones bookshelf is well done and easy to use. It's a far better process than trying to actually navigate the Take Control website. I want to commend the job Gordon and Lynne are doing, and, again, recommend the TC books to anyone using a Mac or interested in the Mac in more detail. >> >> Take Care >> John Panarese >> jpanarese at mac-access.net >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 18:38:44 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 12:38:44 -0500 Subject: Google Chrome Web Browser Message-ID: Please, I would like to know if OS X Lion Voiceover users have tried Google Chrome web browser? If so, what are people's experience with it, especially the accessibility or inaccessibility of it. If there are features or aspects that are very accessible or inaccessible, please do share those details. Thanks, Kevin From bryansmart at bryansmart.com Sat Aug 6 19:08:00 2011 From: bryansmart at bryansmart.com (Bryan Smart) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 14:08:00 -0400 Subject: games for the mac In-Reply-To: <87FEE409-54F2-41A2-8E5C-7D0B300E9C90@bluebottle.com> References: <362A6F3294064F31A11DECBECCA89F27@joseph1> <87FEE409-54F2-41A2-8E5C-7D0B300E9C90@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: <37E306A6-6796-425F-BB58-45A77073A9AA@bryansmart.com> Sound RTS and Audio Quake work, but they require some hackery to get running correctly. Nothing like install and run. You're mainly going to get small games that people make in their spare time, or else ports from Windows. Trying to support yourself by selling accessible games on Windows is a serious challenge due to the tiny market, and there are even fewer blind people using Macs, so that is why there aren't any big titles for the Mac. In the past, most accessible games on Windows have been written in Visual Basic and C# (using .Net). Those are strictly Windows dev environments, and can't be easily ported. People used them at the time cause there was a lot of help for newbie programmers, and the IDEs worked well with a screen reader. There really aren't any technical advantages to using those environments, though. In the future, people will hopefully use languages like Python that port without huge effort. Bryan On Aug 6, 2011, at 11:20 AM, krystal watson wrote: > i tried both of those adresses and it said can not open the page as it can not be found and forbiddon can not load the page so not fair > On 07/08/2011, at 12:07 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: > >> There are several games foro the mac, most of the ones I know of, are ones I've ported myself from other versions of code. >> You can find them at >> http://mac.softcon.com/games >> >> I had asked for testers for an rpg game I'd been working on the audyssey list, but got only a few takers, and of those, not a single one actually gave feedback, so the project was dropped. >> I also have a port of bsc's chopper game located at: >> http://www.thesiegelsnest.us/games >> You'll need the sfml libraries to play it, but it works, and is just intended to be a demonstration of how simple it is to write cross platform games that will work on windows, linux, and osx, so it's rather simplistic, but there's no reason it couldn't be expanded into a full-blown game or serve as a sample for others (which was it's intent). >> I've also gotten permission from one windows developer to port some of his older games to the mac, but until I fix my intel mac, that project is on hold. >> There are other games playable on the mac, and the audyssey list mentions them from time to time, but I must admit I monitor that group, but rarely read the messages on it, so what's been posted is likely in my inbox, but I've not been paying attention to them. >> But, in any case, to say there's no games for the mac is incorrect. >> There are some, they're just scattered all over the place, and finding them is a bit of a challenge. :) >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sat Aug 6 19:48:07 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 15:48:07 -0300 Subject: Hiding and showing columns in Apple mail. Message-ID: <218BE8A6CF2044BC93A95DF11AC61B90@MainComputer> Hi Folks: Is there a way to hide/show columns in Apple mail? In the Mail Attributes sub-menu, most of the columns seem to be unavailable. Thanks all over the place gang. The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy Spirit, in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6356 (20110806) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From zkline at speedpost.net Sat Aug 6 20:05:05 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 12:05:05 -0700 Subject: Hiding and showing columns in Apple mail. In-Reply-To: <218BE8A6CF2044BC93A95DF11AC61B90@MainComputer> References: <218BE8A6CF2044BC93A95DF11AC61B90@MainComputer> Message-ID: <29787CDA-8A7E-415A-A6CF-070ED564E259@speedpost.net> Hi Jim, In the new layout, the dimmed columns are always shown. Classic layout gives more control over exactly what you see. THe only things you can change in new layout are the ones which are undimmed. Best, Zack. On Aug 6, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hi Folks: > > Is there a way to hide/show columns in Apple mail? In the Mail Attributes sub-menu, most of the columns seem to be unavailable. > > Thanks all over the place gang. > > The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy Spirit, in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6356 (20110806) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From billd at insightbb.com Sat Aug 6 22:43:49 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (bill Deatherage) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2011 17:43:49 -0400 Subject: setting up a new network connection Message-ID: <71FB697DB4634269AB8A431E9FD166F5@WilliamPC> Hello, I don?t think I was clear on my previous message. first of all, I am using an older I Mac. running snow leperd. The other day my router went down and I got a new one. Now I have to change the net work connection. I knowon the I Phone I had to go to settings then into why fi. The sad thing is I sat it up last december when I got the Used Mac. my memory just isn?t what it used to be. So thanks in advance. Bill Deatherage From support at mac-access.net Sun Aug 7 09:47:00 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 09:47:00 +0100 Subject: New Member Welcome Message-ID: Hello everybody It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome: Karen Pearson to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but have a keen interest. We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope this clarifies the position. If you have any list-related queries, please do not hesitate to contact either Gordon and myself, (the list owners), at , or one of our very capable assistant list controllers; Anne Robertson, or James Austin, and we will be happy to help you. Once again, a very warm welcome to the group. We hope you find your membership an enjoyable experience. Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne ------------------------------ Gordon & Lynne Smith, Are you an iOS or Mac OS fan? If so, consider joining our vibrant community of fellow-enthusiasts. To join our forum, send a message to: with the word "subscribe" [no quotes] in the subject line of your message. Or else, visit: ------------------------------ From support at mac-access.net Sun Aug 7 11:47:35 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 11:47:35 +0100 Subject: New Member Welcome Message-ID: <78824493-605C-4B53-AC80-014F71B9BB42@mac-access.net> Hello everybody It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome: Margaret Booth to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but have a keen interest. We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope this clarifies the position. If you have any list-related queries, please do not hesitate to contact either Gordon and myself, (the list owners), at , or one of our very capable assistant list controllers; Anne Robertson, or James Austin, and we will be happy to help you. Once again, a very warm welcome to the group. We hope you find your membership an enjoyable experience. Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne ------------------------------ Gordon & Lynne Smith, Are you an iOS or Mac OS fan? If so, consider joining our vibrant community of fellow-enthusiasts. To join our forum, send a message to: with the word "subscribe" [no quotes] in the subject line of your message. Or else, visit: ------------------------------ From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sun Aug 7 13:03:36 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 09:03:36 -0300 Subject: Lion and remote control Message-ID: <1087370DD47D4BC78249171DA8C4541D@MainComputer> Hi Folks: Now that Front Row is gone, is there a way to use my apple remote control on my MAC Mini? Thanks gang. The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy Spirit, in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6357 (20110807) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sun Aug 7 13:27:07 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 09:27:07 -0300 Subject: Lion and remote control Message-ID: <99A51EC8114C4AF78A85F23B2B875C26@MainComputer> Hi Folks: In answer to my own question and for any else who is interested, the "remote buddy" app resolves the problem. Cheers. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Noseworthy To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 9:03 AM Subject: Lion and remote control Hi Folks: Now that Front Row is gone, is there a way to use my apple remote control on my MAC Mini? Thanks gang. The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy Spirit, in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6357 (20110807) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6357 (20110807) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From gordon at mac-access.net Sun Aug 7 13:42:46 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:42:46 +0100 Subject: Radio Player In-Reply-To: <0EAEFA17-D6DA-4F33-B78E-68610D1C39B3@anarchie.org.uk> References: <22C28B82-36FB-4395-B748-5A15C93320A0@mac-access.net> <0EAEFA17-D6DA-4F33-B78E-68610D1C39B3@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <74F0D264-82F4-4C33-80AD-285FB73333D7@mac-access.net> Hi Anne Thanks for the confirmation, this tallies with what I found but I thought perhaps it was something local. Gordon From gordon at mac-access.net Sun Aug 7 13:44:28 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:44:28 +0100 Subject: Radio Player In-Reply-To: <9D257537E75246FF8E9CD1E4CEBD78EC@joseph1> References: <22C28B82-36FB-4395-B748-5A15C93320A0@mac-access.net> <0EAEFA17-D6DA-4F33-B78E-68610D1C39B3@anarchie.org.uk> <9D257537E75246FF8E9CD1E4CEBD78EC@joseph1> Message-ID: <612A95A0-A53C-47E0-A60D-9724B1E8DF77@mac-access.net> I'm not sure it's accessible outside Europe. Gordon On 6 Aug 2011, at 15:56, joe quinn wrote: radioplayer? what's that? From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Aug 7 13:52:39 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:52:39 +0100 Subject: Take Control Books, a personal recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0F12780F-07E4-41F3-B8C4-B8D23FB07678@mac-access.net> Hello John On 6 Aug 2011, at 17:44, John Panarese wrote: ? I know it has been talked about here a few times, but I wanted to highly recommend the series of Take Control books Mac-Access has made available. This partnership they have is, to me, a great thing for the group. I have found the Take Control books to be easy to use and quite informative. If you are new to Lion, for example, there are two books I'd really consider reading, Take Control of Upgrading to Lion, and, Take Control of Using Lion. We agree regarding the books, they're well worth the very small investment. We also thank you for your comments and stress again that we don't do this for profit or gain. ? On top of that, the interface Gordon has created for accessing ones bookshelf is well done and easy to use. It's a far better process than trying to actually navigate the Take Control website. I want to commend the job Gordon and Lynne are doing, and, again, recommend the TC books to anyone using a Mac or interested in the Mac in more detail. Thank you very much indeed John for your kind remarks Lynne . From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Aug 7 13:55:28 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:55:28 +0100 Subject: Take Control Books, a personal recommendation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <453A192C-02EC-4808-BD81-CB3F9004E8CB@mac-access.net> Zack There are no links on the website. We make the links available to you when you have the books. However, if you currently own books which you have bought from the TC site, we are happy to make you a bookshelf here as the TC site has accessibility problems now. But in order to do that we would require proof of ownership. Lynne On 6 Aug 2011, at 18:38, Zachary Kline wrote: ? I'm wondering how to actually go about accessing this bookshelf? I can't seem to find links to it on the mac-access.net site. From andre.nuno.soares at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 14:06:53 2011 From: andre.nuno.soares at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Nuno_Soares?=) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 14:06:53 +0100 Subject: setting up a new network connection In-Reply-To: <71FB697DB4634269AB8A431E9FD166F5@WilliamPC> References: <71FB697DB4634269AB8A431E9FD166F5@WilliamPC> Message-ID: <98BAAFEB-FB34-4C9F-8D34-9AE10938D39B@gmail.com> Hello bill, To configure a WiFI network on your Mac, you can do the following: Go to the status bar with VO M M (press the "M" key twice). Right arrow twice to move to the Airport icon. Press the down arrow to move into the Airport menu. In this menu you should see a list of all the networks available. Choose the one you want and it should prompt you for a password if required. Hope this was what you were looking for... Andr? On Aug 6, 2011, at 10:43 PM, bill Deatherage wrote: > Hello, > I don?t think I was clear on my previous message. first of all, I am using an older I Mac. running snow leperd. The other day my router went down and I got a new one. Now I have to change the net work connection. I knowon the I Phone I had to go to settings then into why fi. The sad thing is I sat it up last december when I got the Used Mac. my memory just isn?t what it used to be. So thanks in advance. > Bill Deatherage > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 15:00:20 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 15:00:20 +0100 Subject: safari reopening windows Message-ID: hi when I launch safari can I stop it in lion bringing up loads of stuff i had open in the last session? driving me mad From james.austin at mac-access.net Sun Aug 7 15:12:21 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 15:12:21 +0100 Subject: safari reopening windows In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <77BFCDCA-E6B8-46A2-84D2-8F93EDA9D1ED@mac-access.net> Yes you can. Under the General options of System Preferences, you'll find a checkbox called "Restore windows when quitting and reopening apps". Make sure that this box is unchecked. You'll also want to uncheck a similar checkbox that appears in the "Restart" and "Shutdown" dialogues. However, I've never managed to get these boxes to stay unchecked. TC :) James On 7 Aug 2011, at 15:00, william lomas wrote: > hi when I launch safari can I stop it in lion bringing up loads of stuff i had open in the last session? > driving me mad > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mattchao at verizon.net Sun Aug 7 15:28:55 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:28:55 -0400 Subject: Purchasing Lion and Installing it Later Message-ID: Hi, Folks. Am considering upgrading to Lion. Two basic questions: 1. Can I first buy and download Lion and install it later? 2. What have been the pros and cons of the new OS? Is it worth upgrading to? Thanks in advance for your help. Matthew Chao From mattchao at verizon.net Sun Aug 7 15:34:01 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:34:01 -0400 Subject: Deleting Running Apps Message-ID: Hi, Again, Folks. I want to delete an app, but it's running and won't let me close it, or at least, I can't find a way to close it. With a stubborn running app like this, how do I get rid of it? Thanks in advance for your help. Matthew Chao From opensesame at me.com Sun Aug 7 15:34:46 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 10:34:46 -0400 Subject: safari reopening windows In-Reply-To: <77BFCDCA-E6B8-46A2-84D2-8F93EDA9D1ED@mac-access.net> References: <77BFCDCA-E6B8-46A2-84D2-8F93EDA9D1ED@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <823F3B2F-61AE-4FE5-9509-445AA4FFE6C8@me.com> Hello William & James, In addition to the global setting James mentioned, there is a way to quit individual applications without saving the current window state. Just add the Option key to your preferred method of closing the application. FOr me, I generally quit applications by pressing Command+Q, so I would press Command+Option+Q to quit Safari if I didn't want Safari to open with all my current windows next time I launch it. Interestingly, the addition of the Option key seems to act to toggle the behavior of the current global setting. I have the global setting unchecked and if I want Safari to remember my current set of open windows, I can press Command+Option+Q to quit. Next time I launch Safari it will resume with my current set of open windows. Cheers, Bryan On Aug 7, 2011, at 10:12 AM, James AUSTIN wrote: > Yes you can. Under the General options of System Preferences, you'll find a checkbox called "Restore windows when quitting and reopening apps". Make sure that this box is unchecked. You'll also want to uncheck a similar checkbox that appears in the "Restart" and "Shutdown" dialogues. However, I've never managed to get these boxes to stay unchecked. From james.austin at mac-access.net Sun Aug 7 15:46:44 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 15:46:44 +0100 Subject: Option key acting as a toggle for restoring windows global setting In-Reply-To: <823F3B2F-61AE-4FE5-9509-445AA4FFE6C8@me.com> References: <77BFCDCA-E6B8-46A2-84D2-8F93EDA9D1ED@mac-access.net> <823F3B2F-61AE-4FE5-9509-445AA4FFE6C8@me.com> Message-ID: <0CFA1B28-D8B2-4B50-BD76-4DE3E8A8A935@mac-access.net> Thank you for this Bryan. I remember that I read about this shortcut, but forgot about it. Your comment about the Option key acting as a toggle is interesting. Do you think that this is an intended function, or is it a design flaw? Just curious. TC :) James On 7 Aug 2011, at 15:34, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hello William & James, > > In addition to the global setting James mentioned, there is a way to quit individual applications without saving the current window state. Just add the Option key to your preferred method of closing the application. FOr me, I generally quit applications by pressing Command+Q, so I would press Command+Option+Q to quit Safari if I didn't want Safari to open with all my current windows next time I launch it. > > Interestingly, the addition of the Option key seems to act to toggle the behavior of the current global setting. I have the global setting unchecked and if I want Safari to remember my current set of open windows, I can press Command+Option+Q to quit. Next time I launch Safari it will resume with my current set of open windows. > > Cheers, > Bryan > > On Aug 7, 2011, at 10:12 AM, James AUSTIN wrote: >> Yes you can. Under the General options of System Preferences, you'll find a checkbox called "Restore windows when quitting and reopening apps". Make sure that this box is unchecked. You'll also want to uncheck a similar checkbox that appears in the "Restart" and "Shutdown" dialogues. However, I've never managed to get these boxes to stay unchecked. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jekis at fastmail.us Sun Aug 7 16:50:08 2011 From: jekis at fastmail.us (Justin Ekis) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 08:50:08 -0700 Subject: safari reopening windows In-Reply-To: <823F3B2F-61AE-4FE5-9509-445AA4FFE6C8@me.com> References: <77BFCDCA-E6B8-46A2-84D2-8F93EDA9D1ED@mac-access.net> <823F3B2F-61AE-4FE5-9509-445AA4FFE6C8@me.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I didn't really like either of the ideas that have been mentioned for preventing safari from reopening windows from the last session, so I went looking for something else. I didn't want to disable the feature system-wide, because it is still a very nice thing to have in other applications. And I don't want to get into a routine of pressing command+option+q, because I might instinctively press it in a different app where I want it to remember my windows. Anyway, I found an article on osxdaily.com that describes a terminal command line trick to disable the feature on a per-application basis. Just enter this in the terminal to keep safari from remembering your windows. defaults write com.apple.Safari NSQuitAlwaysKeepsWindows -bool false Here's a link to the full article. http://osxdaily.com/2011/08/01/turn-off-resume-per-app-in-mac-os-x-lion/ Hope someone finds this useful. I sure did. Justin On Aug 7, 2011, at 7:34 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: Hello William & James, In addition to the global setting James mentioned, there is a way to quit individual applications without saving the current window state. Just add the Option key to your preferred method of closing the application. FOr me, I generally quit applications by pressing Command+Q, so I would press Command+Option+Q to quit Safari if I didn't want Safari to open with all my current windows next time I launch it. Interestingly, the addition of the Option key seems to act to toggle the behavior of the current global setting. I have the global setting unchecked and if I want Safari to remember my current set of open windows, I can press Command+Option+Q to quit. Next time I launch Safari it will resume with my current set of open windows. Cheers, Bryan On Aug 7, 2011, at 10:12 AM, James AUSTIN wrote: > Yes you can. Under the General options of System Preferences, you'll find a checkbox called "Restore windows when quitting and reopening apps". Make sure that this box is unchecked. You'll also want to uncheck a similar checkbox that appears in the "Restart" and "Shutdown" dialogues. However, I've never managed to get these boxes to stay unchecked. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From opensesame at me.com Sun Aug 7 16:54:07 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 11:54:07 -0400 Subject: Option key acting as a toggle for restoring windows global setting In-Reply-To: <0CFA1B28-D8B2-4B50-BD76-4DE3E8A8A935@mac-access.net> References: <77BFCDCA-E6B8-46A2-84D2-8F93EDA9D1ED@mac-access.net> <823F3B2F-61AE-4FE5-9509-445AA4FFE6C8@me.com> <0CFA1B28-D8B2-4B50-BD76-4DE3E8A8A935@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello James, I'm not sure if it's a feature or a bug, but I'm definitely not going to report this one to Apple. . It's just way too convenient to want to give it up. I personally don't want applications saving their current state unless I tell them to. :-) Cheers, Bryan On Aug 7, 2011, at 10:46 AM, James AUSTIN wrote: > Your comment about the Option key acting as a toggle is interesting. Do you think that this is an intended function, or is it a design flaw? Just curious. From mattchao at verizon.net Sun Aug 7 17:24:29 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 12:24:29 -0400 Subject: Installing Updates over the Original Application Message-ID: Hi, Again, Folks. Am getting the update to SuperDuper. can I just install the update over the current version? Thanks. Matthew Chao From mattchao at verizon.net Sun Aug 7 20:52:05 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 15:52:05 -0400 Subject: Installing Lion Message-ID: <0LPK005D0PV1XN43@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, Folks. I just bought Lion, thinking I could inswtall it after downloading it. However, on the App Store app, I'm getting a message that says: "installing lion dimmed". Does that mean that, once I purchased Lion, it starts downloading and installing immediately? If so, how long does this take? Thanks. Matthew Chao This email was scanned by VIPRE version 4.0.4194 when it was sent, using definitions version 10095 From billd at insightbb.com Sun Aug 7 20:54:21 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (bill Deatherage) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 15:54:21 -0400 Subject: setting up a new network connection In-Reply-To: <98BAAFEB-FB34-4C9F-8D34-9AE10938D39B@gmail.com> References: <71FB697DB4634269AB8A431E9FD166F5@WilliamPC> <98BAAFEB-FB34-4C9F-8D34-9AE10938D39B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3EEEB783620A4A0192B47E877823FB75@WilliamPC> Hello, I made the change in the networks on the mac. I was trying to make it more dificult than it was. again, Thank you. From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Aug 7 21:00:25 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 21:00:25 +0100 Subject: Installing Lion In-Reply-To: <0LPK005D0PV1XN43@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LPK005D0PV1XN43@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <34FCE5C5-9743-4516-A40F-56CF45161D44@mac-access.net> Matthew I believe this is right. When you have finished the download, you should be able to copy the application from your /Applications directory to a temp place for later use. Do that before you run the installation by pressing continue. But never fear; you can re-download it from the "Purchased" section of the app sore. Just click the Purchased tab. Lynne On 7 Aug 2011, at 20:52, Matthew Chao wrote: Hi, Folks. I just bought Lion, thinking I could inswtall it after downloading it. However, on the App Store app, I'm getting a message that says: "installing lion dimmed". Does that mean that, once I purchased Lion, it starts downloading and installing immediately? If so, how long does this take? Thanks. Matthew Chao This email was scanned by VIPRE version 4.0.4194 when it was sent, using definitions version 10095 <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From n0oxy at charter.net Sun Aug 7 22:01:29 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:01:29 -0500 Subject: Purchasing Lion and Installing it Later In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <245FDF60-A5B8-4725-8429-75798EE0DA7C@charter.net> You can buy it and install it later, just save the application somewhere, otherwise you will need to redownload it when you want to install. I now have lion running on all 3 of my macs, and I have no interest in going back to snow leppard, there are a couple issues, but no show stoppers, and I really like the new voices, Samantha has become my main voice, hopefully Alex is not too jealous, smile. I don't use any of the new ios like features, and I also don't use mission control or spaces or any of that, since I usually only have 2 or 3 applications open at once, I can just command tab through them, so for me, the interface is pretty much identical to what it was in snow leppard. On Aug 7, 2011, at 9:28 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: > Hi, Folks. Am considering upgrading to Lion. Two basic questions: > > 1. Can I first buy and download Lion and install it later? > > 2. What have been the pros and cons of the new OS? Is it worth upgrading to? > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > Matthew Chao > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Sun Aug 7 22:04:00 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:04:00 -0500 Subject: Option key acting as a toggle for restoring windows global setting In-Reply-To: References: <77BFCDCA-E6B8-46A2-84D2-8F93EDA9D1ED@mac-access.net> <823F3B2F-61AE-4FE5-9509-445AA4FFE6C8@me.com> <0CFA1B28-D8B2-4B50-BD76-4DE3E8A8A935@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I agree. Pressing command option q I think closes an application without remembering the open windows. Also, I've heard that holding the shift key while launching an application also disables some of the new lion features relating to open windows and auto save. On Aug 7, 2011, at 10:54 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hello James, > > I'm not sure if it's a feature or a bug, but I'm definitely not going to report this one to Apple. . It's just way too convenient to want to give it up. I personally don't want applications saving their current state unless I tell them to. :-) > > Cheers, > Bryan > > On Aug 7, 2011, at 10:46 AM, James AUSTIN wrote: >> Your comment about the Option key acting as a toggle is interesting. Do you think that this is an intended function, or is it a design flaw? Just curious. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Sun Aug 7 22:13:34 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:13:34 -0500 Subject: Installing Lion In-Reply-To: <0LPK005D0PV1XN43@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LPK005D0PV1XN43@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <135F8505-D1CA-48C4-A695-CFC801550C8F@charter.net> The app downloads and is saved in your applications folder, once the download is complete, it will automatically launch the app, you can press command q if you want to wait until later to install, it's a 3.7 GB download so it may take a while. On Aug 7, 2011, at 2:52 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: > Hi, Folks. I just bought Lion, thinking I could inswtall it after downloading it. However, on the App Store app, I'm getting a message that says: "installing lion dimmed". Does that mean that, once I purchased Lion, it starts downloading and installing immediately? If so, how long does this take? Thanks. > > Matthew Chao > > > > > This email was scanned by VIPRE version 4.0.4194 when it was sent, using definitions version 10095 > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From rattail4 at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 23:53:43 2011 From: rattail4 at gmail.com (mike) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 18:53:43 -0400 Subject: Installing Updates over the Original Application In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: how are you getting the update, downloading it yourself? you can let it get it on it's own, it works flawlessly -------------------------------------------------- From: "Matthew Chao" Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 12:24 To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Subject: Installing Updates over the Original Application > Hi, Again, Folks. > > Am getting the update to SuperDuper. can I just install the update over > the current version? Thanks. > > Matthew Chao > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Mon Aug 8 00:15:47 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 09:15:47 +1000 Subject: safarry busy busy busy Message-ID: ok guys this safari busy busy busy in lion is giving me the poops just joking i am trying to fill in a avon order and i don't want to order things twice i need safari to be good for me Lynn said there was some kind of plug in not sure of the name of it or where to get it but it can fix this safari busy busy busy busy thing i find when it does this every thing goes busy busy busy busy i think you get the idea i don't know if its vo or what it is but what ever it is its painfull thanks any help will be gladly put to good use cheers from krystal From n0oxy at charter.net Mon Aug 8 04:40:49 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 22:40:49 -0500 Subject: Installing Updates over the Original Application In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43AC4859-5DB9-43A0-A88C-E06D16A336F7@charter.net> Yes, usually the app will update itself, or you can download it, and just copy it to your applications folder replacing what is already there. On Aug 7, 2011, at 5:53 PM, mike wrote: > how are you getting the update, downloading it yourself? you can let it get it on it's own, it works flawlessly > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Matthew Chao" > Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 12:24 > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Subject: Installing Updates over the Original Application > >> Hi, Again, Folks. >> >> Am getting the update to SuperDuper. can I just install the update over the current version? Thanks. >> >> Matthew Chao >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From e.zwicker at sympatico.ca Mon Aug 8 07:45:34 2011 From: e.zwicker at sympatico.ca (Earle) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 02:45:34 -0400 Subject: Adium and Events Message-ID: I'm wondering if anyone can give me some tips for setting up events in Adium. I've been using it on and off for a while but I really want to start to customize it. I think I've figured out how to set up most events. I just can't get my contact sign in event to work. I have it set to play a sound when someone signs in and that works fine. I just can't get it to speak the name of the person signing in. I tried setting it to speak event and that didn't work for me. After that I tried to have it speak specific text and that didn't work either. I used the %n substitution and I thought that would make it speak the name of the person signing in. This didn't work though. Can anyone think of what I might be doing wrong? Thanks ---------- Earle Msn: peterson_33 at sympatico.ca Skype, Twitter, Facebook: rowdyamerican From gordon-and-lynne at mac-access.co.uk Mon Aug 8 09:16:52 2011 From: gordon-and-lynne at mac-access.co.uk (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 09:16:52 +0100 Subject: Mac Access Dot Net; Podcast Message-ID: <3B2E701C-0680-47A9-98E8-BE689EF97CA1@mac-access.co.uk> Hello everybody Gordon and I are looking to guild on our podcasts section, and we are looking for volunteers to produce audio podcasts for the network. No strings, no catches; we're just looking to expand this area of our site, and we have a few ideas of our own which we are working on. If anybody is up for giving us a hand, firstly accept our thanks and secondly feel free to contact us off list using the support address. Lynne ---------------------------- This message was sent from our iPad. ------------------------------ From Lee.Corman at ky.gov Mon Aug 8 16:23:12 2011 From: Lee.Corman at ky.gov (Corman, Lee (OFB-LV)) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 11:23:12 -0400 Subject: new macbook Message-ID: Hi gang My work recently purchased a basic macbook with 2gb ram and no additional software. I will be visiting the apple store in the next few days to purchase software and accessories. This macbook will be used for teaching adults with vision disabilities. Does anyone have any recommendations as to what software and accessories I should look at while I am there? Thanks Lee Corman lee.corman at ky.gov From desiandcandy at q.com Mon Aug 8 17:50:23 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 09:50:23 -0700 Subject: Command Shift A not working to open apps folder? Message-ID: Hi Everyone, My subject partially explains my question. When I press Command-Shift-A to bring up my applications folder, VoiceOver isn't speaking to me. My sighted husband tells me that the applications folder appears on my screen, but I'm not getting any verbal indication of it. I have used command-shift-a in the past just fine. Does anyone have any ideas about why this isn't working now? Thanks in advance! Desi From tecraig at earthlink.net Mon Aug 8 18:12:12 2011 From: tecraig at earthlink.net (Tommy Craig) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 12:12:12 -0500 Subject: new macbook In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Lee, I have a few suggestions. First of all, you might want to pick up the wired Apple keyboard that has the numpad on it. This can be useful for using the keyboard commander. I think it sells for around $49.0. It might also be helpful to have the Apple bluetooth keyboard so that you can have a separate keyboard while the student is sitting at the Mac. You could also get a second wired keyboard and plug it into the usb port on the first wired keyboard. As for software, Most of the Apple software is now sold online through the app store. The iworks suite would be a good place. It is now sold as separate applications. There is Pages, which is the word processor, Numbers which is the spreadsheet and keynote which is the presentation package. I think they are all $20 in the app store. I would also think that more ram would be a good thing. You can either get this from Apple or order from somewhere like Crucial at a much lower price. I think you should be able to get an 8gb upgrade from Crucial for around $6500. Tommy -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Corman, Lee (OFB-LV) Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:23 AM To: mac-access at mac-access.net Subject: new macbook Hi gang My work recently purchased a basic macbook with 2gb ram and no additional software. I will be visiting the apple store in the next few days to purchase software and accessories. This macbook will be used for teaching adults with vision disabilities. Does anyone have any recommendations as to what software and accessories I should look at while I am there? Thanks Lee Corman lee.corman at ky.gov <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From Lee.Corman at ky.gov Mon Aug 8 18:34:06 2011 From: Lee.Corman at ky.gov (Corman, Lee (OFB-LV)) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:34:06 -0400 Subject: new macbook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the suggestions Tommy, I thought about upgrading the memory too, I went to crucial and did a scan. They came up with a 4gb, so I thought that was as high as I could go on a basic macbook. What do you think about the magic trackpad? Ms. Lee Corman Assistive Technology Specialist/Rehabilitation Instructor -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Tommy Craig Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 1:12 PM To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' Subject: RE: new macbook Hi Lee, I have a few suggestions. First of all, you might want to pick up the wired Apple keyboard that has the numpad on it. This can be useful for using the keyboard commander. I think it sells for around $49.0. It might also be helpful to have the Apple bluetooth keyboard so that you can have a separate keyboard while the student is sitting at the Mac. You could also get a second wired keyboard and plug it into the usb port on the first wired keyboard. As for software, Most of the Apple software is now sold online through the app store. The iworks suite would be a good place. It is now sold as separate applications. There is Pages, which is the word processor, Numbers which is the spreadsheet and keynote which is the presentation package. I think they are all $20 in the app store. I would also think that more ram would be a good thing. You can either get this from Apple or order from somewhere like Crucial at a much lower price. I think you should be able to get an 8gb upgrade from Crucial for around $6500. Tommy -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Corman, Lee (OFB-LV) Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:23 AM To: mac-access at mac-access.net Subject: new macbook Hi gang My work recently purchased a basic macbook with 2gb ram and no additional software. I will be visiting the apple store in the next few days to purchase software and accessories. This macbook will be used for teaching adults with vision disabilities. Does anyone have any recommendations as to what software and accessories I should look at while I am there? Thanks Lee Corman lee.corman at ky.gov <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 12:16:09 2011 From: skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com (Kliph&Sharrie) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 06:16:09 -0500 Subject: Importing RSS feeds? Message-ID: <008601cc55bc$938cc2b0$baa64810$@gmail.com> I have a collection of RSS feeds that I read on the windows side, would like to dump windows eventually all together. But is there a way to import them in apple mail? If not is there another app I can use that will do this? Thanks. Kliphton SR (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians From skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 20:50:53 2011 From: skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com (Kliph&Sharrie) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 14:50:53 -0500 Subject: Importing RSS feeds? In-Reply-To: <008601cc55bc$938cc2b0$baa64810$@gmail.com> References: <008601cc55bc$938cc2b0$baa64810$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002d01cc5604$7d3c3f20$77b4bd60$@gmail.com> I have a collection of RSS feeds that I read on the windows side, would like to dump windows eventually all together. But is there a way to import them in apple mail? If not is there another app I can use that will do this? Thanks. Kliphton SR (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians From tecraig at earthlink.net Mon Aug 8 21:20:45 2011 From: tecraig at earthlink.net (Tommy Craig) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 15:20:45 -0500 Subject: new macbook In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1D622A3E91AF4CB7A7BEEEDD5E8B1D0A@adaptecd1> Then the 4gb of ram should be fine. 2gb is the minimum for Lion and so bumping up the ram is always a good investment. I haven't used the magic trackpad. I only use the trackpad built in to my MacBook Pro. Maybe someone else can offer some thoughts on this. Tommy -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Corman, Lee (OFB-LV) Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 12:34 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: RE: new macbook Thanks for the suggestions Tommy, I thought about upgrading the memory too, I went to crucial and did a scan. They came up with a 4gb, so I thought that was as high as I could go on a basic macbook. What do you think about the magic trackpad? Ms. Lee Corman Assistive Technology Specialist/Rehabilitation Instructor -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Tommy Craig Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 1:12 PM To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' Subject: RE: new macbook Hi Lee, I have a few suggestions. First of all, you might want to pick up the wired Apple keyboard that has the numpad on it. This can be useful for using the keyboard commander. I think it sells for around $49.0. It might also be helpful to have the Apple bluetooth keyboard so that you can have a separate keyboard while the student is sitting at the Mac. You could also get a second wired keyboard and plug it into the usb port on the first wired keyboard. As for software, Most of the Apple software is now sold online through the app store. The iworks suite would be a good place. It is now sold as separate applications. There is Pages, which is the word processor, Numbers which is the spreadsheet and keynote which is the presentation package. I think they are all $20 in the app store. I would also think that more ram would be a good thing. You can either get this from Apple or order from somewhere like Crucial at a much lower price. I think you should be able to get an 8gb upgrade from Crucial for around $6500. Tommy -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Corman, Lee (OFB-LV) Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:23 AM To: mac-access at mac-access.net Subject: new macbook Hi gang My work recently purchased a basic macbook with 2gb ram and no additional software. I will be visiting the apple store in the next few days to purchase software and accessories. This macbook will be used for teaching adults with vision disabilities. Does anyone have any recommendations as to what software and accessories I should look at while I am there? Thanks Lee Corman lee.corman at ky.gov <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! 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Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Aug 8 21:25:29 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 21:25:29 +0100 Subject: Command Shift A not working to open apps folder? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9E223255-5E11-4EF2-B940-AFB1305621C3@mac-access.net> On 8 Aug 2011, at 17:50, Desi Noller wrote: Hi Everyone, My subject partially explains my question. When I press Command-Shift-A to bring up my applications folder, VoiceOver isn't speaking to me. My sighted husband tells me that the applications folder appears on my screen, but I'm not getting any verbal indication of it. I have hello Desi Be mindful of the fact that this only works from Finder windows, not generally from other external windows. Lynne used command-shift-a in the past just fine. Does anyone have any ideas about why this isn't working now? Thanks in advance! Desi <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From desiandcandy at q.com Mon Aug 8 21:43:06 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 13:43:06 -0700 Subject: Command Shift A not working to open apps folder? In-Reply-To: <9E223255-5E11-4EF2-B940-AFB1305621C3@mac-access.net> References: <9E223255-5E11-4EF2-B940-AFB1305621C3@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <7369B4CF-B2BE-48E9-8480-B476D702F88A@q.com> Thanks so much Lynne! Lately I have been feeling very overwhelmed with trying to understand VoiceOver! I just barely start to feel like I'm getting the hang of it, and then something happens, and I realize how incredibly much I still have to learn! Does it ever get second nature? And now there's Lion which I will some day have to contend with! Yikes! It makes me want to bury my head in the sand! Desi On Aug 8, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > > On 8 Aug 2011, at 17:50, Desi Noller wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > My subject partially explains my question. When I press Command-Shift-A to bring up my applications folder, VoiceOver isn't speaking to me. My sighted husband tells me that the applications folder appears on my screen, but I'm not getting any verbal indication of it. I have hello Desi > > Be mindful of the fact that this only works from Finder windows, not generally from other external windows. > > Lynne > used command-shift-a in the past just fine. Does anyone have any ideas about why this isn't working now? Thanks in advance! > > Desi > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From rattail4 at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 22:26:31 2011 From: rattail4 at gmail.com (mike) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 17:26:31 -0400 Subject: Command Shift A not working to open apps folder? In-Reply-To: <7369B4CF-B2BE-48E9-8480-B476D702F88A@q.com> References: <9E223255-5E11-4EF2-B940-AFB1305621C3@mac-access.net> <7369B4CF-B2BE-48E9-8480-B476D702F88A@q.com> Message-ID: it helps if you don't think of lion as a huge new thing, most things don't react any differently. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Desi Noller" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 16:43 To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Subject: Re: Command Shift A not working to open apps folder? > Thanks so much Lynne! Lately I have been feeling very overwhelmed with > trying to understand VoiceOver! I just barely start to feel like I'm > getting the hang of it, and then something happens, and I realize how > incredibly much I still have to learn! Does it ever get second nature? > And now there's Lion which I will some day have to contend with! Yikes! > It makes me want to bury my head in the sand! > > Desi > > > > On Aug 8, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> >> On 8 Aug 2011, at 17:50, Desi Noller wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> My subject partially explains my question. When I press Command-Shift-A >> to bring up my applications folder, VoiceOver isn't speaking to me. My >> sighted husband tells me that the applications folder appears on my >> screen, but I'm not getting any verbal indication of it. I have hello >> Desi >> >> Be mindful of the fact that this only works from Finder windows, not >> generally from other external windows. >> >> Lynne >> used command-shift-a in the past just fine. Does anyone have any ideas >> about why this isn't working now? Thanks in advance! >> >> Desi >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Mon Aug 8 22:34:28 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 14:34:28 -0700 Subject: Command Shift A not working to open apps folder? In-Reply-To: References: <9E223255-5E11-4EF2-B940-AFB1305621C3@mac-access.net> <7369B4CF-B2BE-48E9-8480-B476D702F88A@q.com> Message-ID: <8A753193-7404-4F22-9403-6957015D4C22@q.com> Thanks! I haven't taken the step to buy and install it yet, but I will remember that and try not to get to freaked out! I was just able to figure out how to place a call with Skype, finally, so I'm feeling a little better! Desi On Aug 8, 2011, at 2:26 PM, mike wrote: > it helps if you don't think of lion as a huge new thing, most things don't react any differently. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Desi Noller" > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 16:43 > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Subject: Re: Command Shift A not working to open apps folder? > >> Thanks so much Lynne! Lately I have been feeling very overwhelmed with trying to understand VoiceOver! I just barely start to feel like I'm getting the hang of it, and then something happens, and I realize how incredibly much I still have to learn! Does it ever get second nature? And now there's Lion which I will some day have to contend with! Yikes! It makes me want to bury my head in the sand! >> >> Desi >> >> >> >> On Aug 8, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> >>> On 8 Aug 2011, at 17:50, Desi Noller wrote: >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> My subject partially explains my question. When I press Command-Shift-A to bring up my applications folder, VoiceOver isn't speaking to me. My sighted husband tells me that the applications folder appears on my screen, but I'm not getting any verbal indication of it. I have hello Desi >>> >>> Be mindful of the fact that this only works from Finder windows, not generally from other external windows. >>> >>> Lynne >>> used command-shift-a in the past just fine. Does anyone have any ideas about why this isn't working now? Thanks in advance! >>> >>> Desi >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Aug 8 23:06:11 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 23:06:11 +0100 Subject: Command Shift A not working to open apps folder? In-Reply-To: References: <9E223255-5E11-4EF2-B940-AFB1305621C3@mac-access.net> <7369B4CF-B2BE-48E9-8480-B476D702F88A@q.com> Message-ID: <5A186F39-A203-4F06-9F1D-994AC8FCA2A5@mac-access.net> Hello Mike I think this is a very good point. But it is different in some areas. For instance selecting files is different. Safari only changed in the very last days of 10.6.8. so that might mean more of an upgrade. Lynne On 8 Aug 2011, at 22:26, mike wrote: it helps if you don't think of lion as a huge new thing, most things don't react any differently. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Desi Noller" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 16:43 To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Subject: Re: Command Shift A not working to open apps folder? > Thanks so much Lynne! Lately I have been feeling very overwhelmed with trying to understand VoiceOver! I just barely start to feel like I'm getting the hang of it, and then something happens, and I realize how incredibly much I still have to learn! Does it ever get second nature? And now there's Lion which I will some day have to contend with! Yikes! It makes me want to bury my head in the sand! > > Desi > > > > On Aug 8, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> >> On 8 Aug 2011, at 17:50, Desi Noller wrote: >> >> Hi Everyone, >> >> My subject partially explains my question. When I press Command-Shift-A to bring up my applications folder, VoiceOver isn't speaking to me. My sighted husband tells me that the applications folder appears on my screen, but I'm not getting any verbal indication of it. I have hello Desi >> >> Be mindful of the fact that this only works from Finder windows, not generally from other external windows. >> >> Lynne >> used command-shift-a in the past just fine. Does anyone have any ideas about why this isn't working now? Thanks in advance! >> >> Desi >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From krbarry at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 23:27:53 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 18:27:53 -0400 Subject: new macbook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4e40630b.0607e50a.79d4.ffffbcea@mx.google.com> You can go to 8gb. That's 2 4gb dimms. ddr3 at least 1066 mhz. This is, of course, laptop memory aka SODimm. Kevin At 01:34 PM 8/8/2011, you wrote: > >Thanks for the suggestions Tommy, I thought about upgrading the memory >too, I went to crucial and did a scan. They came up with a 4gb, so I >thought that was as high as I could go on a basic macbook. What do you >think about the magic trackpad? > >Ms. Lee Corman Assistive Technology Specialist/Rehabilitation Instructor > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >[mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Tommy Craig >Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 1:12 PM >To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' >Subject: RE: new macbook > >Hi Lee, > >I have a few suggestions. First of all, you might want to pick up the >wired Apple keyboard that has the numpad on it. This can be useful for >using the keyboard commander. I think it sells for around $49.0. > >It might also be helpful to have the Apple bluetooth keyboard so that >you can have a separate keyboard while the student is sitting at the >Mac. You could also get a second wired keyboard and plug it into the usb >port on the first wired keyboard. > >As for software, Most of the Apple software is now sold online through >the app store. The iworks suite would be a good place. It is now sold as >separate applications. There is Pages, which is the word processor, >Numbers which is the spreadsheet and keynote which is the presentation >package. I think they are all $20 in the app store. > >I would also think that more ram would be a good thing. You can either >get this from Apple or order from somewhere like Crucial at a much lower >price. >I think you should be able to get an 8gb upgrade from Crucial for around >$6500. > >Tommy > > >-----Original Message----- >From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >[mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Corman, Lee >(OFB-LV) >Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:23 AM >To: mac-access at mac-access.net >Subject: new macbook > > >Hi gang >My work recently purchased a basic macbook with 2gb ram and no >additional software. I will be visiting the apple store in the next few >days to purchase software and accessories. This macbook will be used >for teaching adults with vision disabilities. Does anyone have any >recommendations as to what software and accessories I should look at >while I am there? Thanks Lee Corman lee.corman at ky.gov > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >the >Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From rattail4 at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 23:43:15 2011 From: rattail4 at gmail.com (mike) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 18:43:15 -0400 Subject: Command Shift A not working to open apps folder? In-Reply-To: <5A186F39-A203-4F06-9F1D-994AC8FCA2A5@mac-access.net> References: <9E223255-5E11-4EF2-B940-AFB1305621C3@mac-access.net><7369B4CF-B2BE-48E9-8480-B476D702F88A@q.com> <5A186F39-A203-4F06-9F1D-994AC8FCA2A5@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9F9EB39F39CD49D59443C3093FE81A0A@mquadPC> that's true enough, but in general use most everything is the same -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 18:06 To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Subject: Re: Command Shift A not working to open apps folder? > Hello Mike > > I think this is a very good point. But it is different in some areas. For > instance selecting files is different. Safari only changed in the very > last days of 10.6.8. so that might mean more of an upgrade. > > Lynne > > On 8 Aug 2011, at 22:26, mike wrote: > > it helps if you don't think of lion as a huge new thing, most things don't > react any differently. > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Desi Noller" > Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 16:43 > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Subject: Re: Command Shift A not working to open apps folder? > >> Thanks so much Lynne! Lately I have been feeling very overwhelmed with >> trying to understand VoiceOver! I just barely start to feel like I'm >> getting the hang of it, and then something happens, and I realize how >> incredibly much I still have to learn! Does it ever get second nature? >> And now there's Lion which I will some day have to contend with! Yikes! >> It makes me want to bury my head in the sand! >> >> Desi >> >> >> >> On Aug 8, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> >>> On 8 Aug 2011, at 17:50, Desi Noller wrote: >>> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> My subject partially explains my question. When I press Command-Shift-A >>> to bring up my applications folder, VoiceOver isn't speaking to me. My >>> sighted husband tells me that the applications folder appears on my >>> screen, but I'm not getting any verbal indication of it. I have hello >>> Desi >>> >>> Be mindful of the fact that this only works from Finder windows, not >>> generally from other external windows. >>> >>> Lynne >>> used command-shift-a in the past just fine. Does anyone have any ideas >>> about why this isn't working now? Thanks in advance! >>> >>> Desi >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >>> the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >>> the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From andre.nuno.soares at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 00:19:06 2011 From: andre.nuno.soares at gmail.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Nuno_Soares?=) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 00:19:06 +0100 Subject: safarry busy busy busy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7FC75BB4-FB59-488B-9D02-CEA8B85B8514@gmail.com> Hello krystal, One thing you can try is using the webkit web browser instead. Webkit is, in a way, the development version of Safari, or at least for the parts that are open sourced. The browser is made available as a way of testing things and ironing bugs, but usually is very stable. The main advantage is that the current Safari bugs usually have already been fixed in Webkit, so it tends to work better. Check: http://webkit.org/ and press the "Download nightly" link to download the most recent version. HTH, Andr? PS: You can have webkit and safari installed side by side. On Aug 8, 2011, at 12:15 AM, krystal watson wrote: > ok guys this safari busy busy busy in lion is giving me the poops just joking i am trying to fill in a avon order and i don't want to order things twice i need safari to be good for me Lynn said there was some kind of plug in not sure of the name of it or where to get it but it can fix this safari busy busy busy busy thing i find when it does this every thing goes busy busy busy busy i think you get the idea i don't know if its vo or what it is but what ever it is its painfull thanks any help will be gladly put to good use cheers from krystal > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 07:00:55 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 23:00:55 -0700 Subject: Importing RSS feeds? In-Reply-To: <008601cc55bc$938cc2b0$baa64810$@gmail.com> References: <008601cc55bc$938cc2b0$baa64810$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <16EFA9CB-4527-41A9-93D4-72C085D58D4D@gmail.com> I have no idea. I jut oppied the addresses in to the add ress feeds dialogue in mail and was on my way. There is no way to import an opal file unless you edit out all but the http urls and copy all of them in to the clipboard and past them in to the add rss feeds dialogue. good luck. On Aug 8, 2011, at 4:16 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > I have a collection of RSS feeds that I read on the windows side, would like > to dump windows eventually all together. But is there a way to import them > in apple mail? If not is there another app I can use that will do this? > Thanks. > > > > Kliphton SR > > (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 > > (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com > > (Marriage group) > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians > > > > > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Aug 9 07:38:06 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 07:38:06 +0100 Subject: Apple Releases Utility to Create Lion Recovery USB Key Message-ID: <2DD95671-F77A-430F-A63F-2902D5581F04@blueyonder.co.uk> Apple Releases Utility to Create Lion Recovery USB Key Apple today released Lion Recovery Disk Assistant, a utility that lets users create a Lion recovery partition on an external drive or USB key. Lion Recovery lets users "repair disks or reinstall OS X Lion without the need for a physical disc." To create an external Lion Recovery, download the Lion Recovery Disk Assistant application. Insert an external drive, launch the Lion Recovery Disk Assistant, select the drive where you would like to install, and follow the on screen instructions. When the Lion Recovery Disk Assistant completes, the new partition will not be visible in the Finder or Disk Utility. To access Lion Recovery, reboot the computer while holding the Option key. Select Recovery HD from the Startup Manager. Lion Recovery Disk Assistant can be downloaded from Apple's support website. Apple's knowledge base article about the utility notes that the partition it creates has all the same capabilities as the Lion Recovery that is installed during a Lion installation. However, this partition could be used in the event a user can't start their computer from the Recovery partition or if the hard drive is replaced. [Users can] reinstall Lion, repair the disk using Disk Utility, restore from a Time Machine backup, or browse the web with Safari. This drive can be used in the event you cannot start your computer with the built-in Recovery HD, or you have replaced the hard drive with a new one that does not have Mac OS X installed. The document has two final notes: - If the computer shipped with Lion, the external recovery drive can only be used with the system that created it. - If the system was upgraded from Mac OS X v10.6 Snow Leopard to Lion, the external recovery drive can be used with other systems that were upgraded from Snow Leopard to Lion. We had previously reported that in order to do a clean install of Lion, Snow Leopard would need to be installed first. With this recovery partition creator, there is now an official path to perform a clean install without Snow Leopard. Also, this would seem to make the unofficial Lion boot disk creator unnecessary. From Lee.Corman at ky.gov Tue Aug 9 13:47:35 2011 From: Lee.Corman at ky.gov (Corman, Lee (OFB-LV)) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 08:47:35 -0400 Subject: new macbook In-Reply-To: <4e40630b.0607e50a.79d4.ffffbcea@mx.google.com> References: <4e40630b.0607e50a.79d4.ffffbcea@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks Kevin I thought I could go up to 8gb, but couldn't figure out why crucial didn't price that one. Lee Ms. Lee Corman Assistive Technology Specialist/Rehabilitation Instructor Charles McDowell Rehabilitation Center 8412 Westport Road Louisville, KY 40242 502-429 4460 -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Kevin Barry Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 6:28 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: RE: new macbook You can go to 8gb. That's 2 4gb dimms. ddr3 at least 1066 mhz. This is, of course, laptop memory aka SODimm. Kevin At 01:34 PM 8/8/2011, you wrote: > >Thanks for the suggestions Tommy, I thought about upgrading the memory >too, I went to crucial and did a scan. They came up with a 4gb, so I >thought that was as high as I could go on a basic macbook. What do you >think about the magic trackpad? > >Ms. Lee Corman Assistive Technology Specialist/Rehabilitation >Instructor > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >[mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Tommy Craig >Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 1:12 PM >To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' >Subject: RE: new macbook > >Hi Lee, > >I have a few suggestions. First of all, you might want to pick up the >wired Apple keyboard that has the numpad on it. This can be useful for >using the keyboard commander. I think it sells for around $49.0. > >It might also be helpful to have the Apple bluetooth keyboard so that >you can have a separate keyboard while the student is sitting at the >Mac. You could also get a second wired keyboard and plug it into the >usb port on the first wired keyboard. > >As for software, Most of the Apple software is now sold online through >the app store. The iworks suite would be a good place. It is now sold >as separate applications. There is Pages, which is the word processor, >Numbers which is the spreadsheet and keynote which is the presentation >package. I think they are all $20 in the app store. > >I would also think that more ram would be a good thing. You can either >get this from Apple or order from somewhere like Crucial at a much >lower price. >I think you should be able to get an 8gb upgrade from Crucial for >around $6500. > >Tommy > > >-----Original Message----- >From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >[mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Corman, Lee >(OFB-LV) >Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:23 AM >To: mac-access at mac-access.net >Subject: new macbook > > >Hi gang >My work recently purchased a basic macbook with 2gb ram and no >additional software. I will be visiting the apple store in the next few >days to purchase software and accessories. This macbook will be used >for teaching adults with vision disabilities. Does anyone have any >recommendations as to what software and accessories I should look at >while I am there? Thanks Lee Corman lee.corman at ky.gov > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >the >Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From rose at chicksdigmacs.net Tue Aug 9 14:04:54 2011 From: rose at chicksdigmacs.net (Rose Morales) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 09:04:54 -0400 Subject: Trouble syncing google contacts from iPhone to server Message-ID: <1F64A903-B4B0-4DD7-B736-A40B84B1D42D@chicksdigmacs.net> Hi all, It's not very often that using the iPhone stumps me anymore, but I am currently stumped. None of my google contacts seem to be syncing to google after my initial sync between the server and my iPhone. That is to say, I've added contacts since the first sync. Now, I'm going to use said contacts on a different phone, and I don't see any of my new additions. Can anyone help? I don't want to manually add contacts, as that's a bit of a pain. Thanks, Rose From Lee.Corman at ky.gov Tue Aug 9 18:20:10 2011 From: Lee.Corman at ky.gov (Corman, Lee (OFB-LV)) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:20:10 -0400 Subject: new macbook Message-ID: I am going to the apple store Wednesday to purchase more memory for our macbook. Is there anything else I should look at while I am there? I will be teaching students how to use voiceover on the macbook. Thanks Lee Ms. Lee Corman Assistive Technology Specialist/Rehabilitation Instructor Charles McDowell Rehabilitation Center 8412 Westport Road Louisville, KY 40242 502-429 4460 From tecraig at earthlink.net Tue Aug 9 19:34:26 2011 From: tecraig at earthlink.net (Tommy Craig) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:34:26 -0500 Subject: new macbook In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2353C4977013453E9E1BE99115F9650A@adaptecd1> Hi Lee, I'm not sure what all you are interested in but the Apple store is full of great products. Of course there the MacBook Air, Iphone, Ipad and then the desktops. The Mini is a great entry level desktop for people on a limited budget. I don't know if you do products recommendations or not but if so it wouldn't hurt to spend some time with the Mini so that you can at least explain it to clinets. As for other products the Time Capsule is a wonderful add on. It is both a wifi router and external hard drive that in conjunction with Time Machine on the Mac will backup your machine wirelessly and without intervention. I think this is the first time that I've ever really had a good backup of my computer. Tommy -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Corman, Lee (OFB-LV) Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:20 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: new macbook I am going to the apple store Wednesday to purchase more memory for our macbook. Is there anything else I should look at while I am there? I will be teaching students how to use voiceover on the macbook. Thanks Lee Ms. Lee Corman Assistive Technology Specialist/Rehabilitation Instructor Charles McDowell Rehabilitation Center 8412 Westport Road Louisville, KY 40242 502-429 4460 <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 21:20:07 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 13:20:07 -0700 Subject: mail merge, exchange accounts and distribution lists on mac osx lion Message-ID: <57DD94A6-286F-4BE9-BEDD-C0CDCFC8BF2D@gmail.com> Hello all. I was suggested to to make a exchange server for disturbing my EBlasts i send out every week. How do I do this with my gmai. and my apple mail and mac osx lion. If I do this how can I make it look like a mail merge using address book? the groups function is tedious as I don't have all contacts in there and address book sorts funny. Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From annieskovnielsen at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 21:50:48 2011 From: annieskovnielsen at gmail.com (Annie Skov Nielsen) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 22:50:48 +0200 Subject: 1password is not working for me in lion. Message-ID: Hi all. I hope someone can help. I have got a lot of difficulties with 1password in lion. To me the program it seems very difficult to use. I can not find my logins any longer, when I open the program from the toolbar. I can open the program, and find my informations and fill them by hand. Can anybody get the program to work. I simply can not find the list which contains my logins when I open the program in safari or webkit.. Is there another program, that would be a better chois for now. I am a bit annoyed i have also bought the program for my IPad, so I could use my passwords on the IPad too. But I am willing to change program if there are something better. Best regards Annie. From krbarry at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 00:07:05 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:07:05 -0400 Subject: new macbook In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4e41bdbb.c36a340a.4974.1a48@mx.google.com> Don't do that. Apple charges enormnous premiums for memory which is the same as memory that is available anywhere. If you're in the U.S. go to newegg.com and get it there. Kevin At 01:20 PM 8/9/2011, you wrote: >I am going to the apple store Wednesday to purchase more memory for our >macbook. Is there anything else I should look at while I am there? I >will be teaching students how to use voiceover on the macbook. >Thanks >Lee > > >Ms. Lee Corman Assistive Technology Specialist/Rehabilitation Instructor >Charles McDowell Rehabilitation Center 8412 Westport Road Louisville, KY >40242 502-429 4460 > > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 00:14:57 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 19:14:57 -0400 Subject: followup on memory Message-ID: <4e41bf93.c36a340a.4974.1a6e@mx.google.com> Right now Newegg has 8gb of ddr3 1066 mhz memory for $40 and 8gb of ddr3 1333 for $45. This is, of course, sodimms. Perfect for Imac, MBP MacBook and minis. Older models may require ddr2. Kevin Kevin Barry If all is going well, you've obviously overlooked something. From desiandcandy at q.com Wed Aug 10 00:44:01 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 16:44:01 -0700 Subject: Some Skype Questions Message-ID: <1289C5E1-ABB1-4983-B13F-E801EFE083FF@q.com> First of all, I'm wondering if anyone knows of a good resource of accessible commands to make Skype work with VoiceOver? I have figured out how to make calls, and I'm moving around in Skype pretty well, but I can't seem to figure out how to answer a call for instance. I have gone through the menus and discovered that command-shift-h hangs up a call, so does it follow that command-shift-a answers a call. Is there a comprehensive list of Skype commands? Thanks in advance for any help with this! Desi From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 01:43:40 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 17:43:40 -0700 Subject: Some Skype Questions In-Reply-To: <1289C5E1-ABB1-4983-B13F-E801EFE083FF@q.com> References: <1289C5E1-ABB1-4983-B13F-E801EFE083FF@q.com> Message-ID: No skype commands but when you answer a call you will see a window that will suddenly gain focus. vo right all the way to answer nd hit that. There are some other skype shortcuts like cmd shift m mutes and unmutes and with vo off and in skype cmd option control up arrow is like a PTT when you are muted. Take care all. On Aug 9, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > First of all, I'm wondering if anyone knows of a good resource of accessible commands to make Skype work with VoiceOver? I have figured out how to make calls, and I'm moving around in Skype pretty well, but I can't seem to figure out how to answer a call for instance. I have gone through the menus and discovered that command-shift-h hangs up a call, so does it follow that command-shift-a answers a call. Is there a comprehensive list of Skype commands? Thanks in advance for any help with this! > > Desi > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Wed Aug 10 02:22:49 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 18:22:49 -0700 Subject: Some Skype Questions In-Reply-To: References: <1289C5E1-ABB1-4983-B13F-E801EFE083FF@q.com> Message-ID: Thanks Sarah. Desi On Aug 9, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > No skype commands but when you answer a call you will see a window that will suddenly gain focus. vo right all the way to answer nd hit that. There are some other skype shortcuts like cmd shift m mutes and unmutes and with vo off and in skype cmd option control up arrow is like a PTT when you are muted. > > Take care all. > On Aug 9, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > >> First of all, I'm wondering if anyone knows of a good resource of accessible commands to make Skype work with VoiceOver? I have figured out how to make calls, and I'm moving around in Skype pretty well, but I can't seem to figure out how to answer a call for instance. I have gone through the menus and discovered that command-shift-h hangs up a call, so does it follow that command-shift-a answers a call. Is there a comprehensive list of Skype commands? Thanks in advance for any help with this! >> >> Desi >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From joncohn at cox.net Wed Aug 10 02:48:46 2011 From: joncohn at cox.net (Jon Cohn) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 21:48:46 -0400 Subject: mail merge, exchange accounts and distribution lists on mac osx lion In-Reply-To: <57DD94A6-286F-4BE9-BEDD-C0CDCFC8BF2D@gmail.com> References: <57DD94A6-286F-4BE9-BEDD-C0CDCFC8BF2D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <01E1FC4F-C3BB-4AFE-893E-22F06313FB39@cox.net> Sarah, Exchange is a server from Microsoft that is usually associated with Outlook. Would you like to discuss some possibilities off-list? I am currently the cooresponding secretary for a group of about 300 people. I have a few ways to keep things organized on the Macintosh,and I was considering some other possibilities, so we discuss what you need, perhaps I could use those requirements and then make some thing that works for both of us. Jonathan On Aug 9, 2011, at 4:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Hello all. I was suggested to to make a exchange server for disturbing my EBlasts i send out every week. How do I do this with my gmai. and my apple mail and mac osx lion. If I do this how can I make it look like a mail merge using address book? the groups function is tedious as I don't have all contacts in there and address book sorts funny. > > Take care all. > > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Aug 10 03:00:56 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:00:56 +1000 Subject: 1password is not working for me in lion. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C938016-7545-4353-9577-E32E724B3D81@internode.on.net> The first thing you need to do is download the latest update, it came out just a few hours ago and many shortcut issues have been solved to start with. I have no trouble with the 1 Password software itself, that is to say I can use the software without a problem but the Safari extension has been causing trouble, this has been well documented and - as shown in the updates available - problems are being rectified, the latest beta for the extension is probably the most stable and functional I've seen thus far. anyway what happens here? Well when I launch 1 Password, I'm prompted to enter my unlock code which I do, you then hear the unlocking sound from your Mac and the focus then switches to the search field, you can get back to this point at any time by pressing command-option-f I dont know whether the window layout affects the way the software works but it may do, I have mine set to wide view. On 10/08/2011, at 6:50 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: > Hi all. > > I hope someone can help. I have got a lot of difficulties with 1password in lion. To me the program it seems very difficult to use. > > I can not find my logins any longer, when I open the program from the toolbar. I can open the program, and find my informations and fill them by hand. Can anybody get the program to work. I simply can not find the list which contains my logins when I open the program in safari or webkit.. > > Is there another program, that would be a better chois for now. I am a bit annoyed i have also bought the program for my IPad, so I could use my passwords on the IPad too. > > But I am willing to change program if there are something better. > > Best regards Annie. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 03:52:07 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 19:52:07 -0700 Subject: mail merge, exchange accounts and distribution lists on mac osx lion In-Reply-To: <01E1FC4F-C3BB-4AFE-893E-22F06313FB39@cox.net> References: <57DD94A6-286F-4BE9-BEDD-C0CDCFC8BF2D@gmail.com> <01E1FC4F-C3BB-4AFE-893E-22F06313FB39@cox.net> Message-ID: <00FC606E-1752-46C3-9F00-62551B35DB12@gmail.com> lol. I found a program called serial mail. I believe that's spelled right. I managed to send off abut 23 emails in about 2 or so minutes. Ok my connection is not the fastest but so far it works lol! Take care. On Aug 9, 2011, at 6:48 PM, Jon Cohn wrote: > Sarah, > > Exchange is a server from Microsoft that is usually associated with Outlook. Would you like to discuss some possibilities off-list? I am currently the cooresponding secretary for a group of about 300 people. I have a few ways to keep things organized on the Macintosh,and I was considering some other possibilities, so we discuss what you need, perhaps I could use those requirements and then make some thing that works for both of us. > > Jonathan > > On Aug 9, 2011, at 4:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Hello all. I was suggested to to make a exchange server for disturbing my EBlasts i send out every week. How do I do this with my gmai. and my apple mail and mac osx lion. If I do this how can I make it look like a mail merge using address book? the groups function is tedious as I don't have all contacts in there and address book sorts funny. >> >> Take care all. >> >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 04:22:03 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 20:22:03 -0700 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Tame_Lion=92s_Mail?= Message-ID: <5B8DFC7E-4B53-44EC-A5B9-01A88D685E96@gmail.com> these could be some useful tips for someone. Enjoy Tame Lion?s Mail Joe Kissell shares tips, tricks, and less-than-obvious new features for Apple?s email program. http://macw.us/qgKdm3 From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Wed Aug 10 09:16:51 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:16:51 +0100 Subject: Test please ignore Message-ID: <56B9A76E-F6EF-4FEA-AC88-9874AE87F680@hopewell.org.uk> test message to check Email set up. From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 18:17:08 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:17:08 -0700 Subject: Apple releases Lion Recovery Disk Assistant Message-ID: <9D1FDD1F-90FF-4DF4-B296-3B3D965DAEA8@gmail.com> Well this could be good, but how would you choose the recovery hd on your external drive if you don't know which one it is when you boot? Apple releases Lion Recovery Disk Assistant On Monday, Apple released Lion Recovery Disk Assistant, a tool that lets you create a Lion Recovery partition on an external hard drive. http://www.macworld.com/article/161634/2011/08/apple_releases_lion_recovery_disk_assistant.html#lsrc.rss_news From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 18:30:15 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:30:15 -0700 Subject: Apple releases Lion Recovery Disk Assistant Message-ID: Well this could be good, but how would you choose the recovery hd on your external drive if you don't know which one it is when you boot? Apple releases Lion Recovery Disk Assistant On Monday, Apple released Lion Recovery Disk Assistant, a tool that lets you create a Lion Recovery partition on an external hard drive. http://www.macworld.com/article/161634/2011/08/apple_releases_lion_recovery_disk_assistant.html#lsrc.rss_news From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 18:32:17 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:32:17 -0700 Subject: How to sync large iTunes libraries with small devices Message-ID: These are some good tips and I also use most of them. How to sync large iTunes libraries with small devices As you acquire more and more music, movies, TV shows, podcasts, apps, and books, it becomes increasingly difficult -- or, more likely, impossible -- to fit your entire iTunes library on your iPod, iPhone, or iPad. Kirk McElhearn offers some advice on how to deal with the data-storage disparity. http://macw.us/ojweW3 From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 18:51:56 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 10:51:56 -0700 Subject: quick time and screen recording issues Message-ID: Hello to all. When you start a screen recording there is a dialogue that shows you how to stop the vid. voice over dings and I cannot seem to get rid of the thing with out doing some odd things like control clicking and hitting escape and even then I can barely start the recording. Is there a fix when I do screen recordings with os lion and quick time standard? Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From desiandcandy at q.com Wed Aug 10 22:41:36 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:41:36 -0700 Subject: My New iPod Touch Message-ID: <11249594-D64C-4B15-AD8F-3FDC002FD8C8@q.com> Hi, On Monday, I bought an iPod Touch 4th generation. I thought I got it properly set up yesterday, but things were a little chaotic around here while I was doing it, and I think maybe I forgot to press an apply button or something, because I wanted my contacts to be synced from my iMac, but there doesn't seem to be anything in my contacts on my Touch now. Where exactly do I go to update my preferences for what I want to be synced? Will I find these settings under general iTunes preferences? Also, can I overcharge my iPod's battery by leaving it plugged into my computer while I'm working? Any help would be most appreciated! Thanks! Desi From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 22:49:27 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 14:49:27 -0700 Subject: My New iPod Touch In-Reply-To: <11249594-D64C-4B15-AD8F-3FDC002FD8C8@q.com> References: <11249594-D64C-4B15-AD8F-3FDC002FD8C8@q.com> Message-ID: Hello. reconnect yoru ipod and go to devices and then your iPod's name. and now go to the info and go to the scroll area and check the contacts thing. Also I leave my phone plugged in all night t the computer and it has not hurt anything yet. lol! On Aug 10, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi, > > On Monday, I bought an iPod Touch 4th generation. I thought I got it properly set up yesterday, but things were a little chaotic around here while I was doing it, and I think maybe I forgot to press an apply button or something, because I wanted my contacts to be synced from my iMac, but there doesn't seem to be anything in my contacts on my Touch now. Where exactly do I go to update my preferences for what I want to be synced? Will I find these settings under general iTunes preferences? Also, can I overcharge my iPod's battery by leaving it plugged into my computer while I'm working? Any help would be most appreciated! Thanks! > > Desi > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From richie.gardenhire at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 22:52:14 2011 From: richie.gardenhire at gmail.com (Richie Gardenhire) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:52:14 -0800 Subject: My New iPod Touch In-Reply-To: <11249594-D64C-4B15-AD8F-3FDC002FD8C8@q.com> References: <11249594-D64C-4B15-AD8F-3FDC002FD8C8@q.com> Message-ID: <2897DDAD-214D-40D6-9742-EC870FA44A62@gmail.com> I don't think you'll have to worry about the battery overcharging. New machines, nowadays, are designed to shut off the chargers automatically, once the batter is fully charged. Therefore, it's not going to affect the battery by overcharging; however, some manufacturers recommend that the units be unplugged and the batteries are worked till they are discharged and then recharge them again. Richie Gardenhire, Anchorage, Alaska. On Aug 10, 2011, at 1:41 PM, Desi Noller wrote: Hi, On Monday, I bought an iPod Touch 4th generation. I thought I got it properly set up yesterday, but things were a little chaotic around here while I was doing it, and I think maybe I forgot to press an apply button or something, because I wanted my contacts to be synced from my iMac, but there doesn't seem to be anything in my contacts on my Touch now. Where exactly do I go to update my preferences for what I want to be synced? Will I find these settings under general iTunes preferences? Also, can I overcharge my iPod's battery by leaving it plugged into my computer while I'm working? Any help would be most appreciated! Thanks! Desi <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From desiandcandy at q.com Wed Aug 10 23:47:07 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:47:07 -0700 Subject: My New iPod Touch In-Reply-To: References: <11249594-D64C-4B15-AD8F-3FDC002FD8C8@q.com> Message-ID: <247EBD35-7E05-4836-AFE2-A012C39F6B03@q.com> Hi Sarah, Thanks so much! I really don't mean to offend in any way, but I am still pretty new at all this Apple stuff, and I really didn't understand what you were trying to tell me here, but I really appreciate your attempt! Desi On Aug 10, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Hello. reconnect yoru ipod and go to devices and then your iPod's name. and now go to the info and go to the scroll area and check the contacts thing. Also I leave my phone plugged in all night t the computer and it has not hurt anything yet. lol! > On Aug 10, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Monday, I bought an iPod Touch 4th generation. I thought I got it properly set up yesterday, but things were a little chaotic around here while I was doing it, and I think maybe I forgot to press an apply button or something, because I wanted my contacts to be synced from my iMac, but there doesn't seem to be anything in my contacts on my Touch now. Where exactly do I go to update my preferences for what I want to be synced? Will I find these settings under general iTunes preferences? Also, can I overcharge my iPod's battery by leaving it plugged into my computer while I'm working? Any help would be most appreciated! Thanks! >> >> Desi >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Thu Aug 11 00:36:05 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 13:36:05 -1000 Subject: games for the mac In-Reply-To: <87FEE409-54F2-41A2-8E5C-7D0B300E9C90@bluebottle.com> References: <362A6F3294064F31A11DECBECCA89F27@joseph1> <87FEE409-54F2-41A2-8E5C-7D0B300E9C90@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: Hi Krystal, I'll correct the address Travis gave (even if it is his web site ): http://softcon.com/mac/games/ I haven't tried any of the content on his games pages, but I've used quite a lot of the programs from his Mac software pages, one level up, and from his scripts pages: http://softcon.com/mac/ And if there's anyone still running Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, I'd advise them to get Softcon Pdf Viewer to use in place of Preview, because it will let you read continuously. There's also a link to Softcon Yahtzee on the main mac page, which is the Yahtzee game. (Again, I haven't tried this myself). The other page is blocked to general access, although I know that some sections of the blog that Travis maintains are open to the public. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Aug 6, 2011, at 05:20, krystal watson wrote: > i tried both of those adresses and it said can not open the page as it can not be found and forbiddon can not load the page so not fair > On 07/08/2011, at 12:07 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: > >> There are several games foro the mac, most of the ones I know of, are ones I've ported myself from other versions of code. >> You can find them at >> http://mac.softcon.com/games >> >> I had asked for testers for an rpg game I'd been working on the audyssey list, but got only a few takers, and of those, not a single one actually gave feedback, so the project was dropped. >> I also have a port of bsc's chopper game located at: >> http://www.thesiegelsnest.us/games >> You'll need the sfml libraries to play it, but it works, and is just intended to be a demonstration of how simple it is to write cross platform games that will work on windows, linux, and osx, so it's rather simplistic, but there's no reason it couldn't be expanded into a full-blown game or serve as a sample for others (which was it's intent). >> I've also gotten permission from one windows developer to port some of his older games to the mac, but until I fix my intel mac, that project is on hold. >> There are other games playable on the mac, and the audyssey list mentions them from time to time, but I must admit I monitor that group, but rarely read the messages on it, so what's been posted is likely in my inbox, but I've not been paying attention to them. >> But, in any case, to say there's no games for the mac is incorrect. >> There are some, they're just scattered all over the place, and finding them is a bit of a challenge. :) >> From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 03:20:31 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 19:20:31 -0700 Subject: My New iPod Touch In-Reply-To: <247EBD35-7E05-4836-AFE2-A012C39F6B03@q.com> References: <11249594-D64C-4B15-AD8F-3FDC002FD8C8@q.com> <247EBD35-7E05-4836-AFE2-A012C39F6B03@q.com> Message-ID: No offense taken. I probably messed up a lot but you will learn as you try and go along and slowly learn. It took me at least a month to get used to things with my phone. Take care. On Aug 10, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Sarah, > > Thanks so much! I really don't mean to offend in any way, but I am still pretty new at all this Apple stuff, and I really didn't understand what you were trying to tell me here, but I really appreciate your attempt! > > Desi > > > > On Aug 10, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Hello. reconnect yoru ipod and go to devices and then your iPod's name. and now go to the info and go to the scroll area and check the contacts thing. Also I leave my phone plugged in all night t the computer and it has not hurt anything yet. lol! >> On Aug 10, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Desi Noller wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> On Monday, I bought an iPod Touch 4th generation. I thought I got it properly set up yesterday, but things were a little chaotic around here while I was doing it, and I think maybe I forgot to press an apply button or something, because I wanted my contacts to be synced from my iMac, but there doesn't seem to be anything in my contacts on my Touch now. Where exactly do I go to update my preferences for what I want to be synced? Will I find these settings under general iTunes preferences? Also, can I overcharge my iPod's battery by leaving it plugged into my computer while I'm working? Any help would be most appreciated! Thanks! >>> >>> Desi >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 03:52:05 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:52:05 -0400 Subject: games for the mac In-Reply-To: References: <362A6F3294064F31A11DECBECCA89F27@joseph1> <87FEE409-54F2-41A2-8E5C-7D0B300E9C90@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: <6352507A-81CB-4703-B1C8-1EDB39977239@gmail.com> The Yahtzee game doesn't work. It gave me one of those error messages. Jane On Aug 10, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Krystal, > > I'll correct the address Travis gave (even if it is his web site ): > http://softcon.com/mac/games/ > > I haven't tried any of the content on his games pages, but I've used quite a lot of the programs from his Mac software pages, one level up, and from his scripts pages: > > http://softcon.com/mac/ > > And if there's anyone still running Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, I'd advise them to get Softcon Pdf Viewer to use in place of Preview, because it will let you read continuously. There's also a link to Softcon Yahtzee on the main mac page, which is the Yahtzee game. (Again, I haven't tried this myself). > > The other page is blocked to general access, although I know that some sections of the blog that Travis maintains are open to the public. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > > > On Aug 6, 2011, at 05:20, krystal watson wrote: > >> i tried both of those adresses and it said can not open the page as it can not be found and forbiddon can not load the page so not fair >> On 07/08/2011, at 12:07 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: >> >>> There are several games foro the mac, most of the ones I know of, are ones I've ported myself from other versions of code. >>> You can find them at >>> http://mac.softcon.com/games >>> >>> I had asked for testers for an rpg game I'd been working on the audyssey list, but got only a few takers, and of those, not a single one actually gave feedback, so the project was dropped. >>> I also have a port of bsc's chopper game located at: >>> http://www.thesiegelsnest.us/games >>> You'll need the sfml libraries to play it, but it works, and is just intended to be a demonstration of how simple it is to write cross platform games that will work on windows, linux, and osx, so it's rather simplistic, but there's no reason it couldn't be expanded into a full-blown game or serve as a sample for others (which was it's intent). >>> I've also gotten permission from one windows developer to port some of his older games to the mac, but until I fix my intel mac, that project is on hold. >>> There are other games playable on the mac, and the audyssey list mentions them from time to time, but I must admit I monitor that group, but rarely read the messages on it, so what's been posted is likely in my inbox, but I've not been paying attention to them. >>> But, in any case, to say there's no games for the mac is incorrect. >>> There are some, they're just scattered all over the place, and finding them is a bit of a challenge. :) >>> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Thu Aug 11 04:00:12 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:00:12 -0700 Subject: My New iPod Touch In-Reply-To: References: <11249594-D64C-4B15-AD8F-3FDC002FD8C8@q.com> <247EBD35-7E05-4836-AFE2-A012C39F6B03@q.com> Message-ID: <8D40AD93-45EA-4F23-8603-E25361942E03@q.com> Hi Sarah, Thanks for your kindness! As it turns out, I took a break for awhile, and after dinner, I sat down and tried again, and I was able to find the items I needed and make the changes necessary. And, I'm sure that yesterday, when I first set up my iPod, I'm quite sure I didn't press the "apply" button. You can bet I did that today! LOL! I'm glad things worked out this way, because I know I'll sleep much better now tonight! Desi On Aug 10, 2011, at 7:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > No offense taken. I probably messed up a lot but you will learn as you try and go along and slowly learn. It took me at least a month to get used to things with my phone. > > Take care. > On Aug 10, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Sarah, >> >> Thanks so much! I really don't mean to offend in any way, but I am still pretty new at all this Apple stuff, and I really didn't understand what you were trying to tell me here, but I really appreciate your attempt! >> >> Desi >> >> >> >> On Aug 10, 2011, at 2:49 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> Hello. reconnect yoru ipod and go to devices and then your iPod's name. and now go to the info and go to the scroll area and check the contacts thing. Also I leave my phone plugged in all night t the computer and it has not hurt anything yet. lol! >>> On Aug 10, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Desi Noller wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> On Monday, I bought an iPod Touch 4th generation. I thought I got it properly set up yesterday, but things were a little chaotic around here while I was doing it, and I think maybe I forgot to press an apply button or something, because I wanted my contacts to be synced from my iMac, but there doesn't seem to be anything in my contacts on my Touch now. Where exactly do I go to update my preferences for what I want to be synced? Will I find these settings under general iTunes preferences? Also, can I overcharge my iPod's battery by leaving it plugged into my computer while I'm working? Any help would be most appreciated! Thanks! >>>> >>>> Desi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From e.zwicker at sympatico.ca Thu Aug 11 07:24:47 2011 From: e.zwicker at sympatico.ca (Earle) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 02:24:47 -0400 Subject: TeamTalk Accessibility Message-ID: Just wondering if anyone is using TeamTalk successfully. I tried 3 different versions with no luck. Tried them under Lion and Snow Leopard just in case that made a difference. Every version I tried wasn't accessible. Everything was unknown and even when I interacted I couldn't read anything. I found a version that was supposed to be somewhat accessible but I still couldn't read the preferences or anything else for that matter. Is there a version that even slightly works on the Mac? I'm not looking for complete accessibility even. I'll take a version that will allow me to connect to a server. I just don't want to have to use a windows machine to use TeamTalk. I know a few people that go on a particular server and would like to be able to join them. I thought I remember reading somewhere that there was a Mac user who had her own server. Not sure if it was on this list or not. ---------- Earle Msn: peterson_33 at sympatico.ca Skype, Twitter, Facebook, and Yahoo: rowdyamerican Aim: rowdyamerican28 From annieskovnielsen at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 11:17:43 2011 From: annieskovnielsen at gmail.com (Annie Skov Nielsen) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:17:43 +0200 Subject: TeamTalk Accessibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi. I have also tried team talk with no luck. I think you should send them a mail, maybe they will fix the problems. Best regards Annie. On 11/08/2011, at 08.24, Earle wrote: > Just wondering if anyone is using TeamTalk successfully. I tried 3 different versions with no luck. Tried them under Lion and Snow Leopard just in case that made a difference. Every version I tried wasn't accessible. Everything was unknown and even when I interacted I couldn't read anything. I found a version that was supposed to be somewhat accessible but I still couldn't read the preferences or anything else for that matter. Is there a version that even slightly works on the Mac? I'm not looking for complete accessibility even. I'll take a version that will allow me to connect to a server. I just don't want to have to use a windows machine to use TeamTalk. I know a few people that go on a particular server and would like to be able to join them. I thought I remember reading somewhere that there was a Mac user who had her own server. Not sure if it was on this list or not. > ---------- > Earle > > Msn: peterson_33 at sympatico.ca > > Skype, Twitter, Facebook, and Yahoo: rowdyamerican > > Aim: rowdyamerican28 > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 15:53:56 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:53:56 -0700 Subject: TeamTalk Accessibility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All you do is hit f2 from the window and entering he server info. If you don't change servers you are fine. lol! but I do agree. it does need to be a bit more friendly. I had an accessible version but i seem to have lost to lol! Take care On Aug 11, 2011, at 3:17 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: > Hi. > I have also tried team talk with no luck. > > I think you should send them a mail, maybe they will fix the problems. > > Best regards Annie. > On 11/08/2011, at 08.24, Earle wrote: > >> Just wondering if anyone is using TeamTalk successfully. I tried 3 different versions with no luck. Tried them under Lion and Snow Leopard just in case that made a difference. Every version I tried wasn't accessible. Everything was unknown and even when I interacted I couldn't read anything. I found a version that was supposed to be somewhat accessible but I still couldn't read the preferences or anything else for that matter. Is there a version that even slightly works on the Mac? I'm not looking for complete accessibility even. I'll take a version that will allow me to connect to a server. I just don't want to have to use a windows machine to use TeamTalk. I know a few people that go on a particular server and would like to be able to join them. I thought I remember reading somewhere that there was a Mac user who had her own server. Not sure if it was on this list or not. >> ---------- >> Earle >> >> Msn: peterson_33 at sympatico.ca >> >> Skype, Twitter, Facebook, and Yahoo: rowdyamerican >> >> Aim: rowdyamerican28 >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Aug 11 23:51:55 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 23:51:55 +0100 Subject: Test, please disregard. Message-ID: <7B0852D6-8D06-4D69-AA89-1CB3410582E3@mac-access.net> From support at mac-access.net Fri Aug 12 00:05:27 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 00:05:27 +0100 Subject: List Outage Now Resolved Message-ID: <13B2514C-4FAD-4AF4-9E5D-363E422FE739@mac-access.net> Hello everybody As I am sure you have noticed, we've had a major systems outage here today which has literally just been resolved in the last few moments as I write. Unfortunately, it turns out one of the engineers while doing some work at our hub, ran short of a component which those in the telephone and comms industry nickname a "Spark Plug". This "Spark Plug" essentially connects a line to the exchange and, without that, it won't work. He apparently grabbed it thinking it wasn't in use when, in fact, it was servicing our SDSL trunk. This is the high priority trunk which we use for all commercial and mail activities and BT Open Reach (Opal) engineers steadfastly refused to acknowledge that the fault was at their end. This line is a high grade line, essentially 4 pairs of twisted copper cable which are jumpered together in a parallel circuit to provide extra frequency and, thus, extra bandwidth. We pay for 24/7/365 work and we had to insist that engineers worked to resolve the issue otherwise we would have taken legal action against the company. At exactly 23:42 hours last night, as it now is, Gordon got a phone call from a very angry engineer telling him that they had traced the fault to a missing (stolen) spark plug. He repaved it, and our line came up again. There will be questions asked tomorrow morning I am sure, but we will also be demanding compensation for the outage, as we are entitled to do since it passed the acceptable 4-hour cut-off point for repair. In the meantime, I can only apologise to everybody but assure you it was out of our control. For whatever it is worth, this has caused Gordon a very great deal of stress today, against medical advice and I will be submitting a formal complaint about that also. Anyway, the list is now back up; as should all other services now be. They haven't heard the last of this! Lynne ------------------------------ Gordon & Lynne Smith, Are you an iOS or Mac OS fan? If so, consider joining our vibrant community of fellow-enthusiasts. To join our forum, send a message to: with the word "subscribe" [no quotes] in the subject line of your message. Or else, visit: ------------------------------ From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Aug 12 00:10:20 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 16:10:20 -0700 Subject: Forget fancy formatting: Why plain text is best Message-ID: <9F336D9F-28EC-452F-B37D-C49DAC9C5A60@gmail.com> a nice article on plain text and how it can be productive. Forget fancy formatting: Why plain text is best Using editors and syncing services that work with plain-text formatting, David Sparks can write almost anywhere, using almost any device. Here's his plain-text workflow. http://macw.us/nTStgm From support at mac-access.net Fri Aug 12 12:53:34 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:53:34 +0100 Subject: Mac Access Dot Net; Connectivity Now Fully Restored Message-ID: Hello everybody Early this morning I posted a message regarding connectivity issues which we experienced yesterday. Despite the "fix" to our hardware line made by BT OpenReach late last night, the connectivity providers did not fully re-enable our services until the start of office hours this morning which, of course, meant that although the signal we were seeing was positive, our trunk didn't become fully active until that time. We have already written to the company by Fax, expressing our dissatisfaction with the fact that we pay for 24/7/365 connectivity monitoring and maintenance and did not receive it. We have received an acknowledgement from the provider in which they acknowledge that they did not meet their mandate on this occasion and that an investigation into the causes and delays is now being undertaken. Quite apart from the inconvenience caused to our non-commercial clients and list members, (for which we apologise), the possible ramifications for our commercial ones are still being rectified. Gordon is working hard as I write to update certain mission-critical data which has become unsynchronised and, of course, this must take priority. However, we wanted to let you know that as of now, all services are fully restored and also that no mail should have been lost during the outage. According to the statistics from our off-site MX backup systems, a high volume of traffic was stored and is now in the process of being delivered to our servers for despatch to the appropriate clients. We sincerely hope that the outage has not resulted in any inconvenience for you, and ask you to be mindful before complaining of the fact that we too, probably more so than you, have been inconvenienced. We are also, as I said, per suing assurances that there will be no repetition of this incident as it is something we can ill-afford. ------------------------------ Gordon & Lynne Smith, Are you an iOS or Mac OS fan? If so, consider joining our vibrant community of fellow-enthusiasts. To join our forum, send a message to: with the word "subscribe" [no quotes] in the subject line of your message. Or else, visit: ------------------------------ From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Fri Aug 12 13:56:10 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 08:56:10 -0400 Subject: 8 GB Ram in a Mac Book? Was:Re: new macbook In-Reply-To: <4e40630b.0607e50a.79d4.ffffbcea@mx.google.com> References: <4e40630b.0607e50a.79d4.ffffbcea@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <86F2462B-D4F1-4568-9740-4C86D2D430FD@Mac-Access.net> On Aug 8, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Kevin Barry wrote: > You can go to 8gb. > That's 2 4gb dimms. > ddr3 at least 1066 mhz. > This is, of course, laptop memory aka SODimm. > Kevin > Kevin or others, I also have a White case Mac Book currently with 4 GB. I have read several times the maximum it can hold is 4 GB. It sounds like Kevin is saying the White case can operate correctly with 8 GB. Is this possible and can someone explain this in more detail as I'm very interested. Eric Caron At 01:34 PM 8/8/2011, you wrote: > >> >> Thanks for the suggestions Tommy, I thought about upgrading the memory >> too, I went to crucial and did a scan. They came up with a 4gb, so I >> thought that was as high as I could go on a basic macbook. What do you >> think about the magic trackpad? >> >> Ms. Lee Corman Assistive Technology Specialist/Rehabilitation Instructor >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Tommy Craig >> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 1:12 PM >> To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' >> Subject: RE: new macbook >> >> Hi Lee, >> >> I have a few suggestions. First of all, you might want to pick up the >> wired Apple keyboard that has the numpad on it. This can be useful for >> using the keyboard commander. I think it sells for around $49.0. >> >> It might also be helpful to have the Apple bluetooth keyboard so that >> you can have a separate keyboard while the student is sitting at the >> Mac. You could also get a second wired keyboard and plug it into the usb >> port on the first wired keyboard. >> >> As for software, Most of the Apple software is now sold online through >> the app store. The iworks suite would be a good place. It is now sold as >> separate applications. There is Pages, which is the word processor, >> Numbers which is the spreadsheet and keynote which is the presentation >> package. I think they are all $20 in the app store. >> >> I would also think that more ram would be a good thing. You can either >> get this from Apple or order from somewhere like Crucial at a much lower >> price. >> I think you should be able to get an 8gb upgrade from Crucial for around >> $6500. >> >> Tommy >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Corman, Lee >> (OFB-LV) >> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:23 AM >> To: mac-access at mac-access.net >> Subject: new macbook >> >> >> Hi gang >> My work recently purchased a basic macbook with 2gb ram and no >> additional software. I will be visiting the apple store in the next few >> days to purchase software and accessories. This macbook will be used >> for teaching adults with vision disabilities. Does anyone have any >> recommendations as to what software and accessories I should look at >> while I am there? Thanks Lee Corman lee.corman at ky.gov >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >> the >> Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >> the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Fri Aug 12 14:39:11 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:39:11 +0100 Subject: Take Control Book Clients; Please Read! Message-ID: <624A4C32-83D7-46E3-A12E-DBA5DC5FAD58@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Just a couple of quick reminders that, should you believe you are entitled to a free Take Control title update, please don't hesitate to contact us here at the support address. We always try to update your bookshelves; but it would help us to get it done for you more quickly if you do this. Also, it's worth pointing out two more things to you. Firstly, the location of the TC bookshelves has changed. You may now find them under the Mac Access Dot Net domain, and the old tft-bbs.co.uk one no longer works. Also, if you ever lose the log-in credentials we send you when you buy books, no problem! We have a mechanism by which you may retrieve your user data. Just log into: and click on the "Forgot Your Password?" link. Then enter either your user ID or your email address to have the credentials re-sent. Please note that you must have access to the email address you used when buying from us in order to do this. If your email has changed it is vitally important that you let us know so that we can update our records. I am currently in the process of trying to update all those bookshelves of people who didn't contact me recently when a bunch of updates were released. But if you want the free updates and you believe that I might have missed yours, please do let us know. Lynne ------------------------------ Gordon & Lynne Smith, Are you an iOS or Mac OS fan? If so, consider joining our vibrant community of fellow-enthusiasts. To join our forum, send a message to: with the word "subscribe" [no quotes] in the subject line of your message. Or else, visit: ------------------------------ From Lee.Corman at ky.gov Fri Aug 12 14:04:39 2011 From: Lee.Corman at ky.gov (Corman, Lee (OFB-LV)) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 09:04:39 -0400 Subject: 8 GB Ram in a Mac Book? Was:Re: new macbook In-Reply-To: <86F2462B-D4F1-4568-9740-4C86D2D430FD@Mac-Access.net> References: <4e40630b.0607e50a.79d4.ffffbcea@mx.google.com> <86F2462B-D4F1-4568-9740-4C86D2D430FD@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: Even the info that came with the white macbook stated it could only hold 4gb. Lee Ms. Lee Corman Assistive Technology Specialist/Rehabilitation Instructor Charles McDowell Rehabilitation Center 8412 Westport Road Louisville, KY 40242 502-429 4460 -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Eric Caron Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 8:56 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: 8 GB Ram in a Mac Book? Was:Re: new macbook On Aug 8, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Kevin Barry wrote: > You can go to 8gb. > That's 2 4gb dimms. > ddr3 at least 1066 mhz. > This is, of course, laptop memory aka SODimm. > Kevin > Kevin or others, I also have a White case Mac Book currently with 4 GB. I have read several times the maximum it can hold is 4 GB. It sounds like Kevin is saying the White case can operate correctly with 8 GB. Is this possible and can someone explain this in more detail as I'm very interested. Eric Caron At 01:34 PM 8/8/2011, you wrote: > >> >> Thanks for the suggestions Tommy, I thought about upgrading the >> memory too, I went to crucial and did a scan. They came up with a >> 4gb, so I thought that was as high as I could go on a basic macbook. >> What do you think about the magic trackpad? >> >> Ms. Lee Corman Assistive Technology Specialist/Rehabilitation >> Instructor >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Tommy Craig >> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 1:12 PM >> To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' >> Subject: RE: new macbook >> >> Hi Lee, >> >> I have a few suggestions. First of all, you might want to pick up the >> wired Apple keyboard that has the numpad on it. This can be useful >> for using the keyboard commander. I think it sells for around $49.0. >> >> It might also be helpful to have the Apple bluetooth keyboard so that >> you can have a separate keyboard while the student is sitting at the >> Mac. You could also get a second wired keyboard and plug it into the >> usb port on the first wired keyboard. >> >> As for software, Most of the Apple software is now sold online >> through the app store. The iworks suite would be a good place. It is >> now sold as separate applications. There is Pages, which is the word >> processor, Numbers which is the spreadsheet and keynote which is the >> presentation package. I think they are all $20 in the app store. >> >> I would also think that more ram would be a good thing. You can >> either get this from Apple or order from somewhere like Crucial at a >> much lower price. >> I think you should be able to get an 8gb upgrade from Crucial for >> around $6500. >> >> Tommy >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Corman, Lee >> (OFB-LV) >> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:23 AM >> To: mac-access at mac-access.net >> Subject: new macbook >> >> >> Hi gang >> My work recently purchased a basic macbook with 2gb ram and no >> additional software. I will be visiting the apple store in the next few >> days to purchase software and accessories. This macbook will be used >> for teaching adults with vision disabilities. Does anyone have any >> recommendations as to what software and accessories I should look at >> while I am there? Thanks Lee Corman lee.corman at ky.gov >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >> the >> Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >> the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From opensesame at me.com Fri Aug 12 16:50:10 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 11:50:10 -0400 Subject: 8 GB Ram in a Mac Book? Was:Re: new macbook In-Reply-To: References: <4e40630b.0607e50a.79d4.ffffbcea@mx.google.com> <86F2462B-D4F1-4568-9740-4C86D2D430FD@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: Hello Lee, Eric, Kevin and All, It is sometimes determined by third parties that it is possible to install and/or address more RAM than is specified by Apple. When trying to determine how much RAM can actually be installed and / or addressed, I personally like to reference Other World Computing at www.macsales.com. Below, I have pasted some of their information regarding maximum Macbook RAM. Note that this list includes both the white plastic models as well as the black plastic and aluminum unibody models that were manufactured for a couple of years. This list uses the "Model Identifier," which is the preferred reference point for determining the model you are working with. The model identifier can be found by going to the Apple Menu / About This Mac / More Information / Hardware Overview. If running Lion, you might need to click a button labeled "System Report" after you've clicked the More Information button. Your model identifier will be something like "Macbook5,1." Here's the list from OWC. MacBook1,1 (All) - Install/use up to 2.0GB total memory MacBook2,1 (All) - Install up to 4.0GB total memory, uses up to 3.0GB. Note: Although limited to physically utilizing a maximum of 3GB, there is a performance benefit due to 128 Bit addressing when 4GB( 2GB x 2 Matched set) is installed. MacBook3,1 (All) - Install/use up to 4.0GB total memory MacBook4,1 (All) - Install/use up to 6.0GB total memory MacBook5,1 (All) OWC tested to support Maximum Memory of 8.0GB. NOTE: these models require the most current EFI version as well as Mac OS X v10.6.6. MacBook5,2 **2.0GHz Model Only** Install/uses up to 6.0GB total memory MacBook5,2 **2.13GHz Model Only** Apple factory specification maximum 4.0GB, OWC tested to support 6.0GB maximum RAM. MacBook6,1, MacBook6,2 & MacBook 7,1 (All): OWC tested to support Maximum Memory of 8.0GB: HTH, Bryan On Aug 12, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Corman, Lee (OFB-LV) wrote: > Even the info that came with the white macbook stated it could only hold > 4gb. From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Fri Aug 12 17:16:13 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:16:13 -0400 Subject: followup on memory In-Reply-To: <4e41bf93.c36a340a.4974.1a6e@mx.google.com> References: <4e41bf93.c36a340a.4974.1a6e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On Aug 9, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Kevin Barry wrote: > Right now Newegg has 8gb of ddr3 1066 mhz memory for $40 and 8gb of ddr3 1333 for $45. > This is, of course, sodimms. > Perfect for Imac, MBP MacBook and minis. > Older models may require ddr2. > Kevin > > I was hoping my late 2009 Mac Book could actually go past 4 GB but I called Apple to see and they said no. So is there something I don't know or is that the end of it? I suspect for those of us using a white case the 4 gig limit is real. Maybe it is different for later white cases. Eric Caron > > Kevin Barry > > If all is going well, you've obviously overlooked something. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Fri Aug 12 17:33:59 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:33:59 -0400 Subject: 8 GB Ram in a Mac Book? Was:Re: new macbook In-Reply-To: References: <4e40630b.0607e50a.79d4.ffffbcea@mx.google.com> <86F2462B-D4F1-4568-9740-4C86D2D430FD@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: Hi Bryan and others, If I'm reading this correctly, my Mac Book 6 1, , can fit 8 GB. Is this correct? My next question is, has anyone out there done this? would my machine actually access the ram once it is installed? I'm not as computer savvy as many on this list, but I'm pretty handy and would be interested in doing this if it can improve performance. Anyone out there ever change out the ram in a white case? Eric On Aug 12, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hello Lee, Eric, Kevin and All, > > It is sometimes determined by third parties that it is possible to install and/or address more RAM than is specified by Apple. When trying to determine how much RAM can actually be installed and / or addressed, I personally like to reference Other World Computing at www.macsales.com. Below, I have pasted some of their information regarding maximum Macbook RAM. Note that this list includes both the white plastic models as well as the black plastic and aluminum unibody models that were manufactured for a couple of years. This list uses the "Model Identifier," which is the preferred reference point for determining the model you are working with. The model identifier can be found by going to the Apple Menu / About This Mac / More Information / Hardware Overview. If running Lion, you might need to click a button labeled "System Report" after you've clicked the More Information button. Your model identifier will be something like "Macbook5,1." Here's the list from OWC. > > MacBook1,1 (All) - Install/use up to 2.0GB total memory > MacBook2,1 (All) - Install up to 4.0GB total memory, uses up to 3.0GB. Note: Although limited to physically utilizing a maximum of 3GB, there is a performance benefit due to 128 Bit addressing when 4GB( 2GB x 2 Matched set) is installed. > MacBook3,1 (All) - Install/use up to 4.0GB total memory > MacBook4,1 (All) - Install/use up to 6.0GB total memory > MacBook5,1 (All) OWC tested to support Maximum Memory of 8.0GB. NOTE: these models require the most current EFI version as well as Mac OS X v10.6.6. > MacBook5,2 **2.0GHz Model Only** Install/uses up to 6.0GB total memory > MacBook5,2 **2.13GHz Model Only** Apple factory specification maximum 4.0GB, OWC tested to support 6.0GB maximum RAM. > MacBook6,1, MacBook6,2 & MacBook 7,1 (All): OWC tested to support Maximum Memory of 8.0GB: > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Aug 12, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Corman, Lee (OFB-LV) wrote: >> Even the info that came with the white macbook stated it could only hold >> 4gb. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Fri Aug 12 18:08:10 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 12:08:10 -0500 Subject: 8 GB Ram in a Mac Book? Was:Re: new macbook References: <4e40630b.0607e50a.79d4.ffffbcea@mx.google.com><86F2462B-D4F1-4568-9740-4C86D2D430FD@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: Hi Bryan and others, According to OtherWorld computing my 7,1 box can address 8GB. Since my bus speed is 1.07 GHZ, I assume there would be an advantage installing 1333 MHZ over the 1067 that I have? I guess the answer to my next question depends on my normal level of disk activity. I realize that upgrading from 4GB to 8GB would make it possible to address more stuff without reading from the hard drive, but where/how would that make a difference. My HD spins at 5400 RPM, and I would think the memory and processor speed often can not function any more quickly than your slowest I/O device regardless how much you have or how quickly it runs? I assume others have upgraded memory, and would be willing to share whether there was a tangible benefit? Also, perhaps that was a one day sale, but I could not find the memory on NewEgg at the price Kevin B quoted earlier. The best I found was a little over $50 US for 8GB 1066 MHZ (two sticks) at Amazon. TIA for any insight. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Jones To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 10:50 AM Subject: Re: 8 GB Ram in a Mac Book? Was:Re: new macbook Hello Lee, Eric, Kevin and All, It is sometimes determined by third parties that it is possible to install and/or address more RAM than is specified by Apple. When trying to determine how much RAM can actually be installed and / or addressed, I personally like to reference Other World Computing at www.macsales.com. Below, I have pasted some of their information regarding maximum Macbook RAM. Note that this list includes both the white plastic models as well as the black plastic and aluminum unibody models that were manufactured for a couple of years. This list uses the "Model Identifier," which is the preferred reference point for determining the model you are working with. The model identifier can be found by going to the Apple Menu / About This Mac / More Information / Hardware Overview. If running Lion, you might need to click a button labeled "System Report" after you've clicked the More Information button. Your model identifier will be something like "Macbook5,1." Here's the list from OWC. MacBook1,1 (All) - Install/use up to 2.0GB total memory MacBook2,1 (All) - Install up to 4.0GB total memory, uses up to 3.0GB. Note: Although limited to physically utilizing a maximum of 3GB, there is a performance benefit due to 128 Bit addressing when 4GB( 2GB x 2 Matched set) is installed. MacBook3,1 (All) - Install/use up to 4.0GB total memory MacBook4,1 (All) - Install/use up to 6.0GB total memory MacBook5,1 (All) OWC tested to support Maximum Memory of 8.0GB. NOTE: these models require the most current EFI version as well as Mac OS X v10.6.6. MacBook5,2 **2.0GHz Model Only** Install/uses up to 6.0GB total memory MacBook5,2 **2.13GHz Model Only** Apple factory specification maximum 4.0GB, OWC tested to support 6.0GB maximum RAM. MacBook6,1, MacBook6,2 & MacBook 7,1 (All): OWC tested to support Maximum Memory of 8.0GB: HTH, Bryan On Aug 12, 2011, at 9:04 AM, Corman, Lee (OFB-LV) wrote: > Even the info that came with the white macbook stated it could only hold > 4gb. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Aug 12 22:38:33 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 14:38:33 -0700 Subject: FaceTime an lion: starting a FaceTime call via the address book: How? Message-ID: <28AF8F16-FF2D-4285-B57D-B8FB832C78E1@gmail.com> Hello to all. It says in the what's new that I could in os lion start a face time call via the address book but clicking, vo space, on the email does nothing. How do you do this with voice over, or is it even possible with voice over? Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From annieskovnielsen at gmail.com Fri Aug 12 22:52:11 2011 From: annieskovnielsen at gmail.com (Annie Skov Nielsen) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:52:11 +0200 Subject: Does VoiceOver search not work in textedit and other word-processing programs any more. Message-ID: Hi all. How does VoiceOver search work in lion in word-processing programs such as pages. nisus writer pro and text edit. It seems not to work anymore. That is in my opinion a major step backwards. Best regards Annie. From james.austin at mac-access.net Fri Aug 12 23:31:53 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:31:53 +0100 Subject: Test - please ignore Message-ID: <2C50F40E-12E7-45AC-A8B8-7F00967AD3AF@mac-access.net> Hello folks, Haven't been receiving any messages from Mac-access all evening. From opensesame at me.com Fri Aug 12 23:53:48 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 18:53:48 -0400 Subject: 8 GB Ram in a Mac Book? Was:Re: new macbook In-Reply-To: References: <4e40630b.0607e50a.79d4.ffffbcea@mx.google.com> <86F2462B-D4F1-4568-9740-4C86D2D430FD@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <6BA5C24A-FB69-4901-BDBB-3E56850EAFAF@me.com> Hello Eric, Everything I've read seems to indicate that your macbook model can address up to either 6GB or 8GB RAM. Whether you will actually notice any performance difference between running 4GB versus 6 or 8GB of RAM is an oft-debated topic, and YMMV. My personal suggestion is to run at least 4GB of RAM and, if your finances permit, upgrade to a faster hard drive. Apple normally ships their macbooks with relatively slow 5400 RPM hard drives, but you can upgrade these to faster 7200 RPM drives or to Solid State Drives (SSDs). While I've never personally swapped RAM in your particular Macbook model, I have swapped RAM and hard drives in 3 other macbook and macbook pro models with little difficulty. Here's a link to Apple's own article describing how to remove and install RAM in the various Macbook models. http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1651 In addition to Apple's article, you can find a plethora of resources by searching the web for a phrase like, "how to upgrade ram in macbook." This article from about.com looks pretty good, as long as you are willing to navigate past the usual ads: http://macs.about.com/od/usingyourmac/qt/macbook-upgrade-guide.htm HTH, Bryan On Aug 12, 2011, at 12:33 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > If I'm reading this correctly, my Mac Book 6 1, , can fit 8 GB. Is this correct? > > Anyone out there ever change out the ram in a white case? From tsiegel at softcon.com Sat Aug 13 03:59:51 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 22:59:51 -0400 Subject: games for the mac In-Reply-To: <6352507A-81CB-4703-B1C8-1EDB39977239@gmail.com> References: <362A6F3294064F31A11DECBECCA89F27@joseph1> <87FEE409-54F2-41A2-8E5C-7D0B300E9C90@bluebottle.com> <6352507A-81CB-4703-B1C8-1EDB39977239@gmail.com> Message-ID: <80CF963B-58F8-4F2F-A8F1-42545B06712D@softcon.com> On Aug 10, 2011, at 10:52 PM, Jane wrote: > The Yahtzee game doesn't work. It gave me one of those error > messages. What error was that? I've tested it on every machine I've had access too, and not gotten any errors, so I need the error to try to fix it. Please send it directly, (it's not really list related) thanks. From moopiecurran at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 04:12:50 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2011 23:12:50 -0400 Subject: Amadeus Pro Help Please Message-ID: <7E889C9A-B6A4-415E-B09A-66DC1B787342@gmail.com> Hi, I'm having trouble selecting parts of audio files in amadeus pro, and deleting selections, is there a way to do this with voiceover. I cut off the beginning of a file, but I can't get other parts selected and removed. Can someone please help? Thanks, Courtney From weavermicha at googlemail.com Sat Aug 13 05:52:00 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 05:52:00 +0100 Subject: pronunciation of numbers in lion Message-ID: <4e46027d.533ce30a.06c6.ffffb180@mx.google.com> is there a way of changing the pronunciation of numbers in lion ie when browsing the internet? the default pronunciation or at least the speech settings i have at the moment makes reading on-line banking confusing like it makes the amounts in my account appear higher than they actually are so for example an overdraft of say ?250 sounds like 25 thousand because my speech settings run all the zeroes together which i think didn't seem to be an issue in snow leopard. it may even be that i might have accidentally set something while learning my way around lion. From skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 08:23:58 2011 From: skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com (Kliph&Sharrie) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 02:23:58 -0500 Subject: web navigation? References: Message-ID: <0FFA36FE-6CBA-45A8-9795-84A4E3C1D1D2@gmail.com> > Okay, is there a way to navigate on the web using up and down arrows, instead of left and right all the time? I looked in the voice over utilities, and web router, but no matter what I check and uncheck for navigation it stays the same. Is my request possible? > Kliphton SR > (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 > (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com > (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians > > > From anne at anarchie.org.uk Sat Aug 13 08:41:00 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 09:41:00 +0200 Subject: web navigation? In-Reply-To: <0FFA36FE-6CBA-45A8-9795-84A4E3C1D1D2@gmail.com> References: <0FFA36FE-6CBA-45A8-9795-84A4E3C1D1D2@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, Just switch to Groups mode. Go to VoiceOver Utility and select Web in the category list. Select Navigation and go right to Grouping items. You can set a shortcut in one of the commanders to toggle between the two methods of navigating the Web. Cheers, Anne On 13 Aug 2011, at 09:23, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >> Okay, is there a way to navigate on the web using up and down arrows, instead of left and right all the time? I looked in the voice over utilities, and web router, but no matter what I check and uncheck for navigation it stays the same. Is my request possible? >> Kliphton SR >> (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 >> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >> (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians >> >> >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Sat Aug 13 11:24:33 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 11:24:33 +0100 Subject: web navigation? In-Reply-To: References: <0FFA36FE-6CBA-45A8-9795-84A4E3C1D1D2@gmail.com> Message-ID: You can set the shortcut in Keyboard Commander. I use this all the time and it's incredibly helpful. I often need to toggle between DOM and Groups mode when browsing so I just need to press right Option+W in order to do that. Gordon On 13 Aug 2011, at 08:41, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello, Just switch to Groups mode. Go to VoiceOver Utility and select Web in the category list. Select Navigation and go right to Grouping items. You can set a shortcut in one of the commanders to toggle between the two methods of navigating the Web. Cheers, Anne On 13 Aug 2011, at 09:23, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >> Okay, is there a way to navigate on the web using up and down arrows, instead of left and right all the time? I looked in the voice over utilities, and web router, but no matter what I check and uncheck for navigation it stays the same. Is my request possible? >> Kliphton SR >> (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 >> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >> (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians >> >> >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From tsiegel at softcon.com Sat Aug 13 12:37:15 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 07:37:15 -0400 Subject: 8 GB Ram in a Mac Book? Was:Re: new macbook In-Reply-To: <6BA5C24A-FB69-4901-BDBB-3E56850EAFAF@me.com> References: <4e40630b.0607e50a.79d4.ffffbcea@mx.google.com> <86F2462B-D4F1-4568-9740-4C86D2D430FD@Mac-Access.net> <6BA5C24A-FB69-4901-BDBB-3E56850EAFAF@me.com> Message-ID: And, let's not forget the excellent resources at ifixit.com. Those guys are great at explaining how to upgrade apple products. From tsiegel at softcon.com Sat Aug 13 12:45:57 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 07:45:57 -0400 Subject: Macbook air teardown Message-ID: And, speaking of ifixit.com, they've recently done a teardown of the new macbook air, and found quite a bit of improvements over the previous model. Their entire report is located here, go have a look. http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Air-13-Inch-Mid-2011-Teardown/ 6130/1 From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat Aug 13 13:46:04 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:46:04 +0100 Subject: Does VoiceOver search not work in textedit and other word-processing programs any more. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Annie, What problem are you having with it exactly? I've just tried it in TextEdit and it seems to work fine for me. It is case sensitive, so you'll need to be sure that your search is very exact. If you're searching for a name for instance, you'll need to ensure that you start your search with a Capital letter. Personally though, I prefer to use the search function of whichever word processing application I'm using. If i remember correctly, in NWP for instance, the in-built search functions are far more powerful than generally supplied in other Word Processors. My Word Processor of choice though is Pages, and its search functions operate perfectly well for me, as do TextEdit's. Hope this helps TC :) James On 12 Aug 2011, at 22:52, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: > Hi all. > > How does VoiceOver search work in lion in word-processing programs such as pages. nisus writer pro and text edit. > > It seems not to work anymore. That is in my opinion a major step backwards. > > Best regards Annie. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lister at noeyes.dk Sat Aug 13 16:04:53 2011 From: lister at noeyes.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F8rgen_Skov_Nielsen?=) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:04:53 +0200 Subject: Humble Pie In-Reply-To: <203523D4-CD7E-4CA1-8478-978016B2E26B@mac-access.net> References: <203523D4-CD7E-4CA1-8478-978016B2E26B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <7B46711A-EED7-4101-A241-2C20BBD4D4EA@noeyes.dk> Hello Lynne and Gordon There can i find the fully comprehensive guy in the server application. Witch commands shoud i use? Best regards Jorgen On Jul 30, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: hello everybody OK, we've just found the answer to the server config under Lion problem. I'm afraid that, although this may have seemed obvious to Apple, it didn't to us and I'll tell you why. On Apple's website there is a "Server Administration 10.7" application. The same application works in 10.6, and there have been version of it since at least Tiger. So, we naturally assumed that the same GUI tools were used in Lion and, indeed, when we ran them they looked as though they were the tools to use. However, we just discovered that what you actually do is run the main Server.app file again, and in it there is an administration console. When you click the right buttons and options, up pops a fully comprehensive GUI with more options than there were in the older versions. So, although we now need to do a bit of humble pie creating, we don't feel entirely to blame; as we saw no documentation outlining the change. Why leave the old tools there, stripped down, and then add new tools as well? Anyway we now have the tools we need so will get things back up and running shortly. Lynne Hello everybody <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: Mange hilsner J?rgen Skov Nielsen From opensesame at me.com Sat Aug 13 17:14:43 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:14:43 -0400 Subject: A note about system freezes and kernel panics related to low battery levels in Bluetooth Keyboard & Trackpad Message-ID: <5E5380CE-A8E3-4440-A44D-A11F4155887D@me.com> Hi Folks, Just thought I'd share this finding in case anyone else has been experiencing the issue. On the day of Lion's release I upgraded my late 2010 MBA from Snow Leopard. While I experienced some issues, the biggest problem I had was that my system froze with a "Kernel Panic" six times on that first day after upgrading to Lion. I read through the system logs and noted that they mentioned a bluetooth driver, so I did some googling and found several threads discussing Kernel Panics that were happening under Snow Leopard on various mac models when the batteries in an external bluetooth device ran too low. While I'd never had a kernel panic with SL on this system, one of the discussion threads mentioned that the issue was continuing under Lion. I had paired my Magic Trackpad with the MBA but hadn't touched the MT that first day. I went into the bluetooth menu and checked the MT's battery status and, sure enough, it was at 10 percent. I swapped in a fully charged battery and never received another kernel panic on that system. Last week I took delivery of one of the new Airs -- an 11 inch i7 with Spanish keyboard. After using this new system for a week, I hadn't experienced any system freezes or significant issues. Then yesterday the system froze solid 3 times within an hour and could only be resurrected via hard power off/on. There were no kernel panics associated with these freeze-ups, but as part of my troubleshooting I checked the battery levels of my Apple Bluetooth keyboard and Magic Trackpad. Sure enough, the battery level in the keyboard was in the low teens. I swapped the batteries and have not locked up since. As always, YMMV. HTH, Bryan From gordon at mac-access.net Sat Aug 13 17:31:41 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:31:41 +0100 Subject: Humble Pie In-Reply-To: <7B46711A-EED7-4101-A241-2C20BBD4D4EA@noeyes.dk> References: <203523D4-CD7E-4CA1-8478-978016B2E26B@mac-access.net> <7B46711A-EED7-4101-A241-2C20BBD4D4EA@noeyes.dk> Message-ID: <7D90725B-63D3-4408-8100-D24F080D64B6@mac-access.net> Hello Are you talking about the GUI, (Graphical User Interface), or are you looking for a user's guide? This message was sent some time ago. If you're looking for a full GUI for the server, forget it, there isn't one. The GUI for 10.7 server has been severely stripped down and unless all you want is a very basic basic server, I suggest you stick with 10.6 Server, or use the Terminal, a good text editor and the command line interface. 10.7 server is a severe regression from the Server Administrator's perspective in many ways. That, presumably, is why Apple has slashed their prices. Personally I wish they'd kept the two operating systems separate as they used to be and retained the higher price because quite honestly it's a very big step backwards. Gordon On 13 Aug 2011, at 16:04, J?rgen Skov Nielsen wrote: Hello Lynne and Gordon There can i find the fully comprehensive guy in the server application. Witch commands shoud i use? Best regards Jorgen On Jul 30, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: hello everybody OK, we've just found the answer to the server config under Lion problem. I'm afraid that, although this may have seemed obvious to Apple, it didn't to us and I'll tell you why. On Apple's website there is a "Server Administration 10.7" application. The same application works in 10.6, and there have been version of it since at least Tiger. So, we naturally assumed that the same GUI tools were used in Lion and, indeed, when we ran them they looked as though they were the tools to use. However, we just discovered that what you actually do is run the main Server.app file again, and in it there is an administration console. When you click the right buttons and options, up pops a fully comprehensive GUI with more options than there were in the older versions. So, although we now need to do a bit of humble pie creating, we don't feel entirely to blame; as we saw no documentation outlining the change. Why leave the old tools there, stripped down, and then add new tools as well? Anyway we now have the tools we need so will get things back up and running shortly. Lynne Hello everybody <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: Mange hilsner J?rgen Skov Nielsen <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Sat Aug 13 17:38:01 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:38:01 +0100 Subject: A note about system freezes and kernel panics related to low battery levels in Bluetooth Keyboard & Trackpad In-Reply-To: <5E5380CE-A8E3-4440-A44D-A11F4155887D@me.com> References: <5E5380CE-A8E3-4440-A44D-A11F4155887D@me.com> Message-ID: <6026F6B7-0A11-4289-AFB4-A4184DF985B6@mac-access.net> Hello Bryan Actually, on one of the Apple resources I have seen this issue is mentioned, along with the solution you outline. So yes, it seems that Apple is aware of it but hasn't bothered to address it. They are, I must say, becoming very very sloppy in some respects in recent times. This isn't the Apple I've known for the last few years, and I suspect some pressures are occurring at a high level. I can't talk about all of the things which prompt me to make that comment. But believe me, they aren't just based on wild speculation. Gordon On 13 Aug 2011, at 17:14, Bryan Jones wrote: Just thought I'd share this finding in case anyone else has been experiencing the issue. On the day of Lion's release I upgraded my late 2010 MBA from Snow Leopard. While I experienced some issues, the biggest problem I had was that my system froze with a "Kernel Panic" six times on that first day after upgrading to Lion. I read through the system logs and noted that they mentioned a bluetooth driver, so I did some googling and found several threads discussing Kernel Panics that were happening under Snow Leopard on various mac models when the batteries in an external bluetooth device ran too low. While I'd never had a kernel panic with SL on this system, one of the discussion threads mentioned that the issue was continuing under Lion. I had paired my Magic Trackpad with the MBA but hadn't touched the MT that first day. I went into the bluetooth menu and checked the MT's battery status and, sure enough, it was at 10 percent. I swapped in a fully charged battery and never received another kernel panic on that system. Last week I took delivery of one of the new Airs -- an 11 inch i7 with Spanish keyboard. After using this new system for a week, I hadn't experienced any system freezes or significant issues. Then yesterday the system froze solid 3 times within an hour and could only be resurrected via hard power off/on. There were no kernel panics associated with these freeze-ups, but as part of my troubleshooting I checked the battery levels of my Apple Bluetooth keyboard and Magic Trackpad. Sure enough, the battery level in the keyboard was in the low teens. I swapped the batteries and have not locked up since. From jpanarese at mac-access.net Sat Aug 13 17:13:01 2011 From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:13:01 -0400 Subject: Does VoiceOver search not work in textedit and other word-processing programs any more. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <158D7C96-18DC-4BB6-A5AD-D0B7C32E7836@mac-access.net> What exactly isn't working? I can use control-option-f to search a Text edit or Pages document without any problems. I have been using it a lot lately on a particularly large document I am editing. As James pointed out, it is case sensitive. Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net On Aug 12, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: > Hi all. > > How does VoiceOver search work in lion in word-processing programs such as pages. nisus writer pro and text edit. > > It seems not to work anymore. That is in my opinion a major step backwards. > > Best regards Annie. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From opensesame at me.com Sat Aug 13 17:45:11 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:45:11 -0400 Subject: 8 GB Ram in a Mac Book? Was:Re: new macbook In-Reply-To: References: <4e40630b.0607e50a.79d4.ffffbcea@mx.google.com> <86F2462B-D4F1-4568-9740-4C86D2D430FD@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: Hi Geoff and All, Sorry, I can't personally speak to the benefits or drawbacks of going above 4GB of RAM or installing 1333 instead of 1067 as I've not yet done that myself. However, my personal impressions after having upgraded several macs from 2 to 4GB is that the increase has produced general speed and stability improvements. Again, those are only my impressions as I tend not to run any of the official speed tests because I long ago decided that the "seat-of-the-pants" test is what really matters to me. In my experience, some of the most noticeable and satisfying speed improvements have come after upgrading hard drives. While upgrading from a 5400 RPM drive to a 7200RPM is pretty affordable these days, I've got to admit that the SSD in my Air is a revelation and I am officially spoiled by the speed of the thing. HTH, Bryan On Aug 12, 2011, at 1:08 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > According to OtherWorld computing my 7,1 box can address 8GB. Since my bus speed is 1.07 GHZ, I assume there would be an advantage installing 1333 MHZ over the 1067 that I have? From gordon at mac-access.net Sat Aug 13 17:49:25 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 17:49:25 +0100 Subject: Does VoiceOver search not work in textedit and other word-processing programs any more. In-Reply-To: <158D7C96-18DC-4BB6-A5AD-D0B7C32E7836@mac-access.net> References: <158D7C96-18DC-4BB6-A5AD-D0B7C32E7836@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <820CC617-391E-414A-A78E-50FA9B11C56C@mac-access.net> I agree. I can't replicate any problems. The only thing that I find a bit annoying at times, and in all fairness there are solutions, is the autosave in TextEdit. You have to remember, if you don't want to apply changes, to revert to the saved version. There are advantages to this new idea however. It means that you can kind of jump back in time to old versions on-the-fly. I hated it at first but as I played with it more I came to understand the good poins. Gordon On 13 Aug 2011, at 17:13, John Panarese wrote: What exactly isn't working? I can use control-option-f to search a Text edit or Pages document without any problems. I have been using it a lot lately on a particularly large document I am editing. As James pointed out, it is case sensitive. From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat Aug 13 18:02:42 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:02:42 +0100 Subject: Versions assistance Message-ID: <80EC9167-DDBD-4005-A717-EEBA1D7F3927@mac-access.net> Hello folks, Gordon mentioned in a previous message, that he's been able to use Versions quite successfully. How did you manage this Gordon? I am able to open the Versions application-style thing, but i can only see the most current version of what I've been working on and no father back. Thanks TC :) james From gordon at mac-access.net Sat Aug 13 18:07:24 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:07:24 +0100 Subject: 8 GB Ram in a Mac Book? Was:Re: new macbook In-Reply-To: References: <4e40630b.0607e50a.79d4.ffffbcea@mx.google.com> <86F2462B-D4F1-4568-9740-4C86D2D430FD@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: An engineer friend of mine made an interesting point to me the other day when we were chatting about this kind of thing. Apparently, there are upper limits which depend upon the operating system or systems in use, above which an upgrade is a totally vacuous exercise. According to him, and I trust his judgement as he's an experienced design engineer formerly employed by Texas Instruments and, more latterly, Intel? in their I.C design labs, on a portable machine an "upgrade" beyond the point where the applications or operating system would be noticeably enhanced would actually become a downgrade because of the current drawn by the additional components. On portable hardware where battery life is an issue, this could deplete the charge cycle of the battery and, thus, over time deplete the overall life cycle of the battery. Therefore, some of the "myths" which so-called informed people push out telling people to push the machines to the max, rather than apply technical common sense, are actually misleading people into shortening the life and, ultimately, performance of their hardware. This is true not only of Apple's hardware but as a general rule. He also tells me that the idea of installing over-rated memory and other components is also not technically advisable for similar reasons. For instance, installing memory with a clock frequency of 1333 MHZ into a system designed to handle memory at its buss speed of 1067 MHZ just because of the price, is not wise. I specifically asked him this question following the interesting discussion on memory and over-clocking in this group recently. It's interesting what you can pick up if you talk to some of these people. I'm'm trying to persuade Gavin to join this group, I'm sure that, despite the fact that he knows little about accessibility, his input would be invaluable on the technical side of things. As per Bryan's comments about theoretical speed testings, I totally agree. In fact I've advocated this for quite some time. The user experience is by far the best guide rather than just presuming one has the best hardware based purely on benchmarking. Sure, they can be a rough guide. But the ultimate factor is the job that it does for the user. On 13 Aug 2011, at 17:45, Bryan Jones wrote: Sorry, I can't personally speak to the benefits or drawbacks of going above 4GB of RAM or installing 1333 instead of 1067 as I've not yet done that myself. However, my personal impressions after having upgraded several macs from 2 to 4GB is that the increase has produced general speed and stability improvements. Again, those are only my impressions as I tend not to run any of the official speed tests because I long ago decided that the "seat-of-the-pants" test is what really matters to me. In my experience, some of the most noticeable and satisfying speed improvements have come after upgrading hard drives. While upgrading from a 5400 RPM drive to a 7200RPM is pretty affordable these days, I've got to admit that the SSD in my Air is a revelation and I am officially spoiled by the speed of the thing. HTH, Bryan On Aug 12, 2011, at 1:08 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > According to OtherWorld computing my 7,1 box can address 8GB. Since my bus speed is 1.07 GHZ, I assume there would be an advantage installing 1333 MHZ over the 1067 that I have? <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Sat Aug 13 18:09:39 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:09:39 +0100 Subject: Versions assistance In-Reply-To: <80EC9167-DDBD-4005-A717-EEBA1D7F3927@mac-access.net> References: <80EC9167-DDBD-4005-A717-EEBA1D7F3927@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi James I'm referring to TextEdit, specifically. if I select "old version" I get a choice of the version of my document I wish to use. Just select it from the list of options. On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:02, James AUSTIN wrote: Hello folks, Gordon mentioned in a previous message, that he's been able to use Versions quite successfully. How did you manage this Gordon? I am able to open the Versions application-style thing, but i can only see the most current version of what I've been working on and no father back. From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat Aug 13 18:12:12 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:12:12 +0100 Subject: Versions assistance In-Reply-To: References: <80EC9167-DDBD-4005-A717-EEBA1D7F3927@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Ah thank you Gordon, I'll try that, although as you've noticed, I'm referring to Versions in its wider application. TC :) James On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:09, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi James > > > I'm referring to TextEdit, specifically. if I select "old version" I get a choice of the version of my document I wish to use. Just select it from the list of options. > > On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:02, James AUSTIN wrote: > > Hello folks, > > Gordon mentioned in a previous message, that he's been able to use Versions quite successfully. How did you manage this Gordon? I am able to open the Versions application-style thing, but i can only see the most current version of what I've been working on and no father back. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From zkline at speedpost.net Sat Aug 13 18:20:33 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:20:33 -0700 Subject: Versions assistance In-Reply-To: References: <80EC9167-DDBD-4005-A717-EEBA1D7F3927@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6B1BF1D5-5A50-4A1C-BF42-64D0F7585192@speedpost.net> Hi James and all, I've alas not had the time or inclination to dig deeper into versions in general myself, though suspect from things I've experimented with briefly that its UI is similar to Time Machine, that is, with the Application and/or WIndow choosers being vitally important for VO access. One of these days I'll delve more deeply, but for now I'm glad not to need to. Best, Zack. On Aug 13, 2011, at 10:12 AM, James AUSTIN wrote: > Ah thank you Gordon, I'll try that, although as you've noticed, I'm referring to Versions in its wider application. > > TC :) > James > On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:09, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi James >> >> >> I'm referring to TextEdit, specifically. if I select "old version" I get a choice of the version of my document I wish to use. Just select it from the list of options. >> >> On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:02, James AUSTIN wrote: >> >> Hello folks, >> >> Gordon mentioned in a previous message, that he's been able to use Versions quite successfully. How did you manage this Gordon? I am able to open the Versions application-style thing, but i can only see the most current version of what I've been working on and no father back. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat Aug 13 18:22:02 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:22:02 +0100 Subject: Versions assistance In-Reply-To: <6B1BF1D5-5A50-4A1C-BF42-64D0F7585192@speedpost.net> References: <80EC9167-DDBD-4005-A717-EEBA1D7F3927@mac-access.net> <6B1BF1D5-5A50-4A1C-BF42-64D0F7585192@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <578AA819-EAF4-4E3A-B1DD-6022CBB74522@mac-access.net> Hi Zack, Yes, you're right. With the "Window Chooser" you can see the current document and the most recent version. I am uncertain of how to move further back though. TC :) James On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:20, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi James and all, > I've alas not had the time or inclination to dig deeper into versions in general myself, though suspect from things I've experimented with briefly that its UI is similar to Time Machine, that is, with the Application and/or WIndow choosers being vitally important for VO access. One of these days I'll delve more deeply, but for now I'm glad not to need to. > Best, > Zack. > On Aug 13, 2011, at 10:12 AM, James AUSTIN wrote: > >> Ah thank you Gordon, I'll try that, although as you've noticed, I'm referring to Versions in its wider application. >> >> TC :) >> James >> On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:09, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi James >>> >>> >>> I'm referring to TextEdit, specifically. if I select "old version" I get a choice of the version of my document I wish to use. Just select it from the list of options. >>> >>> On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:02, James AUSTIN wrote: >>> >>> Hello folks, >>> >>> Gordon mentioned in a previous message, that he's been able to use Versions quite successfully. How did you manage this Gordon? I am able to open the Versions application-style thing, but i can only see the most current version of what I've been working on and no father back. >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Sat Aug 13 18:30:45 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 18:30:45 +0100 Subject: Versions assistance In-Reply-To: References: <80EC9167-DDBD-4005-A717-EEBA1D7F3927@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <031F74B6-3F3B-42FD-B2DD-9CDFADE8D21F@mac-access.net> Hi James Yes, but that's different from what I was referring too. I'm talking specifically about Text documents. Gordon On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:12, James AUSTIN wrote: Ah thank you Gordon, I'll try that, although as you've noticed, I'm referring to Versions in its wider application. From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 18:36:36 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:36:36 -0500 Subject: 8 GB Ram in a Mac Book? Was:Re: new macbook References: <4e40630b.0607e50a.79d4.ffffbcea@mx.google.com><86F2462B-D4F1-4568-9740-4C86D2D430FD@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <373B253811F541E39B97DD1F55D73FD7@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Thanks for the clarifications Bryan and Gordon. I was wondering whether the bus speed was independent of the memory -- ie upon installing the 1333 GHZ memory I would notice a new bus speed of 1.33 GHZ. From Gordon's comments it sounds as though that would not be the case, hence the faster functionality would never be exploited. My inclination is to leave things as they are for now until/unless I upgrade my HD. Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon Smith To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2011 12:07 PM Subject: Re: 8 GB Ram in a Mac Book? Was:Re: new macbook <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From zkline at speedpost.net Sat Aug 13 18:37:56 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:37:56 -0700 Subject: Versions assistance In-Reply-To: <578AA819-EAF4-4E3A-B1DD-6022CBB74522@mac-access.net> References: <80EC9167-DDBD-4005-A717-EEBA1D7F3927@mac-access.net> <6B1BF1D5-5A50-4A1C-BF42-64D0F7585192@speedpost.net> <578AA819-EAF4-4E3A-B1DD-6022CBB74522@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <931634CD-4C51-4056-97B3-77618BCDBEEE@speedpost.net> Hi James When I tried just now to test the versions feature with Pages, there were three windows I could access. One was the current document, another was the version I'd selected, and the third was a set of version browsing controls. These allow you to go farther back in time by using VO-space on the date shown at the far right, and restore to the selected version. I suspect with some judicious use of copy and paste, you could move bits from one version into your current document. Hope this helps, Zack. On Aug 13, 2011, at 10:22 AM, James AUSTIN wrote: > Hi Zack, > > Yes, you're right. With the "Window Chooser" you can see the current document and the most recent version. I am uncertain of how to move further back though. > > TC :) > James > On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:20, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi James and all, >> I've alas not had the time or inclination to dig deeper into versions in general myself, though suspect from things I've experimented with briefly that its UI is similar to Time Machine, that is, with the Application and/or WIndow choosers being vitally important for VO access. One of these days I'll delve more deeply, but for now I'm glad not to need to. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Aug 13, 2011, at 10:12 AM, James AUSTIN wrote: >> >>> Ah thank you Gordon, I'll try that, although as you've noticed, I'm referring to Versions in its wider application. >>> >>> TC :) >>> James >>> On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:09, Gordon Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Hi James >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm referring to TextEdit, specifically. if I select "old version" I get a choice of the version of my document I wish to use. Just select it from the list of options. >>>> >>>> On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:02, James AUSTIN wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello folks, >>>> >>>> Gordon mentioned in a previous message, that he's been able to use Versions quite successfully. How did you manage this Gordon? I am able to open the Versions application-style thing, but i can only see the most current version of what I've been working on and no father back. >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From zkline at speedpost.net Sat Aug 13 18:58:04 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 10:58:04 -0700 Subject: Versions assistance In-Reply-To: <931634CD-4C51-4056-97B3-77618BCDBEEE@speedpost.net> References: <80EC9167-DDBD-4005-A717-EEBA1D7F3927@mac-access.net> <6B1BF1D5-5A50-4A1C-BF42-64D0F7585192@speedpost.net> <578AA819-EAF4-4E3A-B1DD-6022CBB74522@mac-access.net> <931634CD-4C51-4056-97B3-77618BCDBEEE@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <9AC2A505-C0C8-4EE3-A54A-4A0ACB341081@speedpost.net> Hi James and All, Bad form to reply to my own message, but I thought you might want to know that I just did some more experiments with versions. I was able to restore to an older one and copy and paste from an older one into my current document. Nifty accessibility, if a little confusing at first. Apple has my thanks. Hope this helps, Zack. On Aug 13, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi James > When I tried just now to test the versions feature with Pages, there were three windows I could access. One was the current document, another was the version I'd selected, and the third was a set of version browsing controls. These allow you to go farther back in time by using VO-space on the date shown at the far right, and restore to the selected version. I suspect with some judicious use of copy and paste, you could move bits from one version into your current document. > Hope this helps, > Zack. > On Aug 13, 2011, at 10:22 AM, James AUSTIN wrote: > >> Hi Zack, >> >> Yes, you're right. With the "Window Chooser" you can see the current document and the most recent version. I am uncertain of how to move further back though. >> >> TC :) >> James >> On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:20, Zachary Kline wrote: >> >>> Hi James and all, >>> I've alas not had the time or inclination to dig deeper into versions in general myself, though suspect from things I've experimented with briefly that its UI is similar to Time Machine, that is, with the Application and/or WIndow choosers being vitally important for VO access. One of these days I'll delve more deeply, but for now I'm glad not to need to. >>> Best, >>> Zack. >>> On Aug 13, 2011, at 10:12 AM, James AUSTIN wrote: >>> >>>> Ah thank you Gordon, I'll try that, although as you've noticed, I'm referring to Versions in its wider application. >>>> >>>> TC :) >>>> James >>>> On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:09, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm referring to TextEdit, specifically. if I select "old version" I get a choice of the version of my document I wish to use. Just select it from the list of options. >>>>> >>>>> On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:02, James AUSTIN wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello folks, >>>>> >>>>> Gordon mentioned in a previous message, that he's been able to use Versions quite successfully. How did you manage this Gordon? I am able to open the Versions application-style thing, but i can only see the most current version of what I've been working on and no father back. >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gunn at tznet.com Sat Aug 13 19:27:18 2011 From: gunn at tznet.com (John Gunn) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 13:27:18 -0500 Subject: Amadeus Pro Help Please In-Reply-To: <7E889C9A-B6A4-415E-B09A-66DC1B787342@gmail.com> References: <7E889C9A-B6A4-415E-B09A-66DC1B787342@gmail.com> Message-ID: <03D4923C-4F06-4BDB-82BC-058E3BBF4C12@tznet.com> Courtney: If you want to edit a specific selection which may be in the middle of the file, you can creat markers. Let's say you have a marker set at 2 minutes and another marker set at 2 minutes and 30 seconds. Can't remember the keyboard command however you can extend to beginning of marker. Let's say you are at marker 2 minutes and 30 seconds, you can extend to previous marker which in this case you have a marker set at 2 minutes and you then del ETC. Hope this doesn't bore the list too much, and feel free to contact me off list if you need anymore help. John On Aug 12, 2011, at 10:12 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > I'm having trouble selecting parts of audio files in amadeus pro, and deleting selections, is there a way to do this with voiceover. I cut off the beginning of a file, but I can't get other parts selected and removed. Can someone please help? > Thanks, > Courtney > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From mattchao at verizon.net Sat Aug 13 19:44:37 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:44:37 -0400 Subject: Using Mail in Lion Message-ID: <756FA639-2EFB-4E5E-A99C-9D5B546939F1@verizon.net> Hi, Folks. I just started using Mail in Lion, and noticed that I can no longer tab to the icons such as "get new mail" or "delete". Where can I find information about keyboard shortcuts/changes with this new Mail program? Matthew Chao From gordon at mac-access.net Sat Aug 13 20:22:44 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:22:44 +0100 Subject: 8 GB Ram in a Mac Book? Was:Re: new macbook In-Reply-To: <373B253811F541E39B97DD1F55D73FD7@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> References: <4e40630b.0607e50a.79d4.ffffbcea@mx.google.com><86F2462B-D4F1-4568-9740-4C86D2D430FD@Mac-Access.net> <373B253811F541E39B97DD1F55D73FD7@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: <79C14662-F890-4488-9E25-A6855FB5AFF9@mac-access.net> Hello Geoff Irrespective of what you do to your machine, the buss speed is the buss speed, no upgrading will change that. Even upgrading hard drives doesn't change the buss speed. Gordon On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:36, Geoff Waaler wrote: Thanks for the clarifications Bryan and Gordon. I was wondering whether the bus speed was independent of the memory -- ie upon installing the 1333 GHZ memory I would notice a new bus speed of 1.33 GHZ. From Gordon's comments it sounds as though that would not be the case, hence the faster functionality would never be exploited. My inclination is to leave things as they are for now until/unless I upgrade my HD. From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat Aug 13 21:09:15 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 21:09:15 +0100 Subject: Versions assistance In-Reply-To: <931634CD-4C51-4056-97B3-77618BCDBEEE@speedpost.net> References: <80EC9167-DDBD-4005-A717-EEBA1D7F3927@mac-access.net> <6B1BF1D5-5A50-4A1C-BF42-64D0F7585192@speedpost.net> <578AA819-EAF4-4E3A-B1DD-6022CBB74522@mac-access.net> <931634CD-4C51-4056-97B3-77618BCDBEEE@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <1507D71E-9BEF-4D6F-AFB7-60FCA3A43C01@mac-access.net> Thanks ack, I'll try this. TC :) James On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:37, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi James > When I tried just now to test the versions feature with Pages, there were three windows I could access. One was the current document, another was the version I'd selected, and the third was a set of version browsing controls. These allow you to go farther back in time by using VO-space on the date shown at the far right, and restore to the selected version. I suspect with some judicious use of copy and paste, you could move bits from one version into your current document. > Hope this helps, > Zack. > On Aug 13, 2011, at 10:22 AM, James AUSTIN wrote: > >> Hi Zack, >> >> Yes, you're right. With the "Window Chooser" you can see the current document and the most recent version. I am uncertain of how to move further back though. >> >> TC :) >> James >> On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:20, Zachary Kline wrote: >> >>> Hi James and all, >>> I've alas not had the time or inclination to dig deeper into versions in general myself, though suspect from things I've experimented with briefly that its UI is similar to Time Machine, that is, with the Application and/or WIndow choosers being vitally important for VO access. One of these days I'll delve more deeply, but for now I'm glad not to need to. >>> Best, >>> Zack. >>> On Aug 13, 2011, at 10:12 AM, James AUSTIN wrote: >>> >>>> Ah thank you Gordon, I'll try that, although as you've noticed, I'm referring to Versions in its wider application. >>>> >>>> TC :) >>>> James >>>> On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:09, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm referring to TextEdit, specifically. if I select "old version" I get a choice of the version of my document I wish to use. Just select it from the list of options. >>>>> >>>>> On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:02, James AUSTIN wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello folks, >>>>> >>>>> Gordon mentioned in a previous message, that he's been able to use Versions quite successfully. How did you manage this Gordon? I am able to open the Versions application-style thing, but i can only see the most current version of what I've been working on and no father back. >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From annieskovnielsen at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 21:11:30 2011 From: annieskovnielsen at gmail.com (Annie Skov Nielsen) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:11:30 +0200 Subject: Does VoiceOver search not work in textedit and other word-processing programs any more. In-Reply-To: <820CC617-391E-414A-A78E-50FA9B11C56C@mac-access.net> References: <158D7C96-18DC-4BB6-A5AD-D0B7C32E7836@mac-access.net> <820CC617-391E-414A-A78E-50FA9B11C56C@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi. Strange - yesterday I couldn't search anything at all, but today it suddenly works. Something very strange must have happened. I have also got quick search to work, that would also be useful in some cases. I agree the normal search function in many programs is better, but my problem is that I can search, but often I can not find out how to see the text I have been searching for, and go back to the text in an easy way. Best regards Annie. Den Aug 13, 2011 kl. 6:49 PM skrev Gordon Smith: > I agree. I can't replicate any problems. The only thing that I find a bit annoying at times, and in all fairness there are solutions, is the autosave in TextEdit. You have to remember, if you don't want to apply changes, to revert to the saved version. There are advantages to this new idea however. It means that you can kind of jump back in time to old versions on-the-fly. I hated it at first but as I played with it more I came to understand the good poins. > > Gordon > > On 13 Aug 2011, at 17:13, John Panarese wrote: > > What exactly isn't working? I can use control-option-f to search a Text edit or Pages document without any problems. I have been using it a lot lately on a particularly large document I am editing. As James pointed out, it is case sensitive. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 21:44:00 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 16:44:00 -0400 Subject: 8 GB Ram in a Mac Book? Was:Re: new macbook In-Reply-To: <86F2462B-D4F1-4568-9740-4C86D2D430FD@Mac-Access.net> References: <4e40630b.0607e50a.79d4.ffffbcea@mx.google.com> <86F2462B-D4F1-4568-9740-4C86D2D430FD@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <4e46e2e6.c487e50a.691c.ffff89c6@mx.google.com> Depends on the vintage. I believe mid 2009 and newer could take 8gb but a little googling of the model number should tell you for sure. At 08:56 AM 8/12/2011, you wrote: >On Aug 8, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Kevin Barry wrote: > > > You can go to 8gb. > > That's 2 4gb dimms. > > ddr3 at least 1066 mhz. > > This is, of course, laptop memory aka SODimm. > > Kevin > > >Kevin or others, I also have a White case Mac Book currently with 4 >GB. I have read several times the maximum it can hold is 4 GB. It >sounds like Kevin is saying the White case can operate correctly >with 8 GB. Is this possible and can someone explain this in more >detail as I'm very interested. > >Eric Caron >At 01:34 PM 8/8/2011, you wrote: > > > >> > >> Thanks for the suggestions Tommy, I thought about upgrading the memory > >> too, I went to crucial and did a scan. They came up with a 4gb, so I > >> thought that was as high as I could go on a basic macbook. What do you > >> think about the magic trackpad? > >> > >> Ms. Lee Corman Assistive Technology Specialist/Rehabilitation Instructor > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Tommy Craig > >> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 1:12 PM > >> To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' > >> Subject: RE: new macbook > >> > >> Hi Lee, > >> > >> I have a few suggestions. First of all, you might want to pick up the > >> wired Apple keyboard that has the numpad on it. This can be useful for > >> using the keyboard commander. I think it sells for around $49.0. > >> > >> It might also be helpful to have the Apple bluetooth keyboard so that > >> you can have a separate keyboard while the student is sitting at the > >> Mac. You could also get a second wired keyboard and plug it into the usb > >> port on the first wired keyboard. > >> > >> As for software, Most of the Apple software is now sold online through > >> the app store. The iworks suite would be a good place. It is now sold as > >> separate applications. There is Pages, which is the word processor, > >> Numbers which is the spreadsheet and keynote which is the presentation > >> package. I think they are all $20 in the app store. > >> > >> I would also think that more ram would be a good thing. You can either > >> get this from Apple or order from somewhere like Crucial at a much lower > >> price. > >> I think you should be able to get an 8gb upgrade from Crucial for around > >> $6500. > >> > >> Tommy > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Corman, Lee > >> (OFB-LV) > >> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2011 10:23 AM > >> To: mac-access at mac-access.net > >> Subject: new macbook > >> > >> > >> Hi gang > >> My work recently purchased a basic macbook with 2gb ram and no > >> additional software. I will be visiting the apple store in the next few > >> days to purchase software and accessories. This macbook will be used > >> for teaching adults with vision disabilities. Does anyone have any > >> recommendations as to what software and accessories I should look at > >> while I am there? Thanks Lee Corman lee.corman at ky.gov > >> > >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >> > >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > >> mac-access at mac-access.net > >> > >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to > >> the > >> Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > >> > >> > >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > >> virus and worm-free! > >> > >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > >> visiting the list website at: > >> > >> > >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >> > >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > >> mac-access at mac-access.net > >> > >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to > >> the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > >> > >> > >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > >> virus and worm-free! > >> > >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > >> visiting the list website at: > >> > >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >> > >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > >> > >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > >> > >> > >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >> > >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically > by visiting the list website at: > >> > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 22:39:03 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 14:39:03 -0700 Subject: Versions assistance In-Reply-To: <1507D71E-9BEF-4D6F-AFB7-60FCA3A43C01@mac-access.net> References: <80EC9167-DDBD-4005-A717-EEBA1D7F3927@mac-access.net> <6B1BF1D5-5A50-4A1C-BF42-64D0F7585192@speedpost.net> <578AA819-EAF4-4E3A-B1DD-6022CBB74522@mac-access.net> <931634CD-4C51-4056-97B3-77618BCDBEEE@speedpost.net> <1507D71E-9BEF-4D6F-AFB7-60FCA3A43C01@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <289F9B2E-425B-4237-AAF1-6BB070DAA27F@gmail.com> and I think for text edit the version combo box or pop up menu is all the way at the top if I read my positional sounds right. take care. On Aug 13, 2011, at 1:09 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: > Thanks ack, > > I'll try this. > > TC :) > James > On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:37, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi James >> When I tried just now to test the versions feature with Pages, there were three windows I could access. One was the current document, another was the version I'd selected, and the third was a set of version browsing controls. These allow you to go farther back in time by using VO-space on the date shown at the far right, and restore to the selected version. I suspect with some judicious use of copy and paste, you could move bits from one version into your current document. >> Hope this helps, >> Zack. >> On Aug 13, 2011, at 10:22 AM, James AUSTIN wrote: >> >>> Hi Zack, >>> >>> Yes, you're right. With the "Window Chooser" you can see the current document and the most recent version. I am uncertain of how to move further back though. >>> >>> TC :) >>> James >>> On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:20, Zachary Kline wrote: >>> >>>> Hi James and all, >>>> I've alas not had the time or inclination to dig deeper into versions in general myself, though suspect from things I've experimented with briefly that its UI is similar to Time Machine, that is, with the Application and/or WIndow choosers being vitally important for VO access. One of these days I'll delve more deeply, but for now I'm glad not to need to. >>>> Best, >>>> Zack. >>>> On Aug 13, 2011, at 10:12 AM, James AUSTIN wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ah thank you Gordon, I'll try that, although as you've noticed, I'm referring to Versions in its wider application. >>>>> >>>>> TC :) >>>>> James >>>>> On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:09, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi James >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm referring to TextEdit, specifically. if I select "old version" I get a choice of the version of my document I wish to use. Just select it from the list of options. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 13 Aug 2011, at 18:02, James AUSTIN wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello folks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Gordon mentioned in a previous message, that he's been able to use Versions quite successfully. How did you manage this Gordon? I am able to open the Versions application-style thing, but i can only see the most current version of what I've been working on and no father back. >>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From rattail4 at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 03:57:48 2011 From: rattail4 at gmail.com (mike) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 22:57:48 -0400 Subject: sound being muted in bootcamp Message-ID: <5D2044CB73CD48E2A796119392CE1F8E@mquadPC> Hey all, I've had the strange issue that when ever I boot in to my bootcamp partition my sound is always muted. I have to have my sighted gf click on volume to unmute every time. Any suggestions on how to stop this behavior? running lion for Mac OSX, with win 7 on the bootcamp partition. From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 04:12:21 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 20:12:21 -0700 Subject: sound being muted in bootcamp In-Reply-To: <5D2044CB73CD48E2A796119392CE1F8E@mquadPC> References: <5D2044CB73CD48E2A796119392CE1F8E@mquadPC> Message-ID: I would go to www.apple.com and see if there are updates to the bootcamp drivers for lion. Good luck. On Aug 13, 2011, at 7:57 PM, mike wrote: > Hey all, > I've had the strange issue that when ever I boot in to my bootcamp partition my sound is always muted. I have to have my sighted gf click on volume to unmute every time. Any suggestions on how to stop this behavior? running lion for Mac OSX, with win 7 on the bootcamp partition. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Sun Aug 14 15:39:17 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:39:17 +0100 Subject: sound being muted in bootcamp In-Reply-To: <5D2044CB73CD48E2A796119392CE1F8E@mquadPC> References: <5D2044CB73CD48E2A796119392CE1F8E@mquadPC> Message-ID: Mike have you installed the Bootcamp drivers? Without them you'll get no sound. On 14 Aug 2011, at 03:57, mike wrote: Hey all, I've had the strange issue that when ever I boot in to my bootcamp partition my sound is always muted. I have to have my sighted gf click on volume to unmute every time. Any suggestions on how to stop this behavior? running lion for Mac OSX, with win 7 on the bootcamp partition. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sun Aug 14 16:34:59 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:34:59 -0400 Subject: sound being muted in bootcamp References: <5D2044CB73CD48E2A796119392CE1F8E@mquadPC> Message-ID: <35CED37601384B86A0622B4D90E3BE10@CNIBnotebook> Hello Folks: I have the same [problem with Gordon's messages as I have with those of the creator of Amadeus Pro; mainly, that I can't read them. Now someone explained that it had something to do with digitally signed email and that Outlook doesn't process these messages very well. The point is, that email's that can't be read won't be very helpful. Perhaps someone knows away around this problem? Thanks all over the place gang. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:39 AM Subject: Re: sound being muted in bootcamp > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From rattail4 at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 16:41:31 2011 From: rattail4 at gmail.com (mike) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:41:31 -0400 Subject: sound being muted in bootcamp In-Reply-To: References: <5D2044CB73CD48E2A796119392CE1F8E@mquadPC> Message-ID: I have installed the drivers more than once. no luck -------------------------------------------------- From: "Gordon Smith" Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:39 To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Subject: Re: sound being muted in bootcamp > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From orin8722 at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 16:55:59 2011 From: orin8722 at gmail.com (Orin) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:55:59 -0400 Subject: Strange iTunes billing error Message-ID: <0348EE83-113E-4921-9281-CE8890008103@gmail.com> Hi all, I purchased something on august 10TH on the iTunes store. I go to my recent purchases and notice that it couldn't authorize some of it. The total of the purchase was $40, however I owe $22 apparently. Since I just purchased something via payPal yesterday over $22, it possibly couldn't be my card. When I go to my billing info it says my Visa card security code is invalid. Why then is it working on PayPal? I then tried to let iTunes go through PayPal by activating PayPal via iTunes. After I do that, however, it took me back to the iTunes home where all the apps were and stuff, so I thought it was done. However, I went back to my billing info to see that Visa was still selected as my payment method. Selecting PayPal again makes me validate with PayPal, again. I just wonder why it didn't say my security code was invalid all this time, why it's starting now? mine is a three-didget number, as is standard for Visas or any US credit card for that matter? Thanks for any help, I appreciate it. Orin orin8722 at gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 From gordon at mac-access.net Sun Aug 14 17:08:33 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 17:08:33 +0100 Subject: sound being muted in bootcamp In-Reply-To: <35CED37601384B86A0622B4D90E3BE10@CNIBnotebook> References: <5D2044CB73CD48E2A796119392CE1F8E@mquadPC> <35CED37601384B86A0622B4D90E3BE10@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <3338C6E9-838D-4A85-A645-10AE6786CD81@mac-access.net> Hi Jim I'm not signing messages at the moment so you should be able to see them. Gordon On 14 Aug 2011, at 16:34, Jim Noseworthy wrote: Hello Folks: I have the same [problem with Gordon's messages as I have with those of the creator of Amadeus Pro; mainly, that I can't read them. Now someone explained that it had something to do with digitally signed email and that Outlook doesn't process these messages very well. The point is, that email's that can't be read won't be very helpful. Perhaps someone knows away around this problem? Thanks all over the place gang. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:39 AM Subject: Re: sound being muted in bootcamp > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Sun Aug 14 17:09:38 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 17:09:38 +0100 Subject: sound being muted in bootcamp In-Reply-To: References: <5D2044CB73CD48E2A796119392CE1F8E@mquadPC> Message-ID: Hi Mike Then it's a Windows issue and, as such, not on topic it seems. Gordon On 14 Aug 2011, at 16:41, mike wrote: I have installed the drivers more than once. no luck From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Aug 14 21:27:42 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:27:42 +0100 Subject: Crucial; The memory Experts Message-ID: Hello everybody I have just placed an order for a memory upgrade for our Mac Mini server. I am writing because I am so astounded by the price differences between Crucial and Apple. Apple appear to want ?150.00 GBP for an 8GB (2x4GB) kit of modules PC10600 DDR3 small outline unbuffered unregistered 1333 MHZ SDRAM which is what the Mac Mini uses. Crucial, for the exact same product, want just ?44.00 GBP. In other words, Apple want 200% mark-up on the product which we are getting for less than a third of the price elsewhere. I'm sorry but to me that pricing from Apple is utterly outrageous. I'd love to know what planet they live on when they calculate prices. Lynne From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Sun Aug 14 21:41:44 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:41:44 +0100 Subject: Crucial; The memory Experts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lynne! Well Apple as good as they are, they are in it for profit! And a number of people will just buy straight from Apple without looking around I think partly due to Apples name! But it does make me wonder how much of this is profit! And how much they could really bring the price of there full range down! And still make a good profit! But as it is the normal practice in the UK [I do not know about other countries ] people will pay just to have the latest and newest! For years people have paid more for cars in the UK but could get the same model much cheeper in the rest of Europe! Apart from being lefthand drive! It's simple if people did not pay then the price would have to drop! Or am I wrong on this! Colin On 14 Aug 2011, at 21:27, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > I have just placed an order for a memory upgrade for our Mac Mini server. I am writing because I am so astounded by the price differences between Crucial and Apple. Apple appear to want ?150.00 GBP for an 8GB (2x4GB) kit of modules PC10600 DDR3 small outline unbuffered unregistered 1333 MHZ SDRAM which is what the Mac Mini uses. Crucial, for the exact same product, want just ?44.00 GBP. In other words, Apple want 200% mark-up on the product which we are getting for less than a third of the price elsewhere. I'm sorry but to me that pricing from Apple is utterly outrageous. I'd love to know what planet they live on when they calculate prices. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sun Aug 14 21:43:20 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 16:43:20 -0400 Subject: sound being muted in bootcamp References: <5D2044CB73CD48E2A796119392CE1F8E@mquadPC> <35CED37601384B86A0622B4D90E3BE10@CNIBnotebook> <3338C6E9-838D-4A85-A645-10AE6786CD81@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <5D23E61116004CA28D35DDDA37E87719@CNIBnotebook> Gordon: Thanks much. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: sound being muted in bootcamp > Hi Jim > > I'm not signing messages at the moment so you should be able to see them. > > Gordon > > On 14 Aug 2011, at 16:34, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > Hello Folks: > > I have the same [problem with Gordon's messages as I have with those of > the creator of Amadeus Pro; mainly, that I can't read them. Now someone > explained that it had something to do with digitally signed email and that > Outlook doesn't process these messages very well. > > The point is, that email's that can't be read won't be very helpful. > Perhaps someone knows away around this problem? > > Thanks all over the place gang. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:39 AM > Subject: Re: sound being muted in bootcamp > > >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 22:34:10 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 14:34:10 -0700 Subject: sound being muted in bootcamp In-Reply-To: <5D23E61116004CA28D35DDDA37E87719@CNIBnotebook> References: <5D2044CB73CD48E2A796119392CE1F8E@mquadPC> <35CED37601384B86A0622B4D90E3BE10@CNIBnotebook> <3338C6E9-838D-4A85-A645-10AE6786CD81@mac-access.net> <5D23E61116004CA28D35DDDA37E87719@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <6FFCFF16-4D1D-41CB-B332-1708AC3C21E0@gmail.com> YehaI would take it up on the tech chat list if you are a part of that list. if not join it. it's fun. good luck and Take care all. got to go yell at a piece of hardware that is being stubborn with my mac, again. On Aug 14, 2011, at 1:43 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Gordon: > > Thanks much. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 12:08 PM > Subject: Re: sound being muted in bootcamp > > >> Hi Jim >> >> I'm not signing messages at the moment so you should be able to see them. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 14 Aug 2011, at 16:34, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >> >> Hello Folks: >> >> I have the same [problem with Gordon's messages as I have with those of the creator of Amadeus Pro; mainly, that I can't read them. Now someone explained that it had something to do with digitally signed email and that Outlook doesn't process these messages very well. >> >> The point is, that email's that can't be read won't be very helpful. Perhaps someone knows away around this problem? >> >> Thanks all over the place gang. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" >> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 10:39 AM >> Subject: Re: sound being muted in bootcamp >> >> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 22:35:44 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 14:35:44 -0700 Subject: Crucial; The memory Experts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <62EF5D35-F147-4F89-81BC-234917DCDB3F@gmail.com> lol. I pay more to get the best and the greatest every few years no matter if I can get it what ever it is weather it's new memory for the mac, a new hd, or a new mac, I will pay more at apple then less at mac recycler or some wares like that. Take care all. On Aug 14, 2011, at 1:41 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi Lynne! > Well Apple as good as they are, they are in it for profit! > And a number of people will just buy straight from Apple without looking around I think partly due to Apples name! > But it does make me wonder how much of this is profit! > And how much they could really bring the price of there full range down! > And still make a good profit! > But as it is the normal practice in the UK [I do not know about other countries ] people will pay just to have the latest and newest! > For years people have paid more for cars in the UK but could get the same model much cheeper in the rest of Europe! > Apart from being lefthand drive! > It's simple if people did not pay then the price would have to drop! > Or am I wrong on this! > Colin > On 14 Aug 2011, at 21:27, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello everybody >> >> I have just placed an order for a memory upgrade for our Mac Mini server. I am writing because I am so astounded by the price differences between Crucial and Apple. Apple appear to want ?150.00 GBP for an 8GB (2x4GB) kit of modules PC10600 DDR3 small outline unbuffered unregistered 1333 MHZ SDRAM which is what the Mac Mini uses. Crucial, for the exact same product, want just ?44.00 GBP. In other words, Apple want 200% mark-up on the product which we are getting for less than a third of the price elsewhere. I'm sorry but to me that pricing from Apple is utterly outrageous. I'd love to know what planet they live on when they calculate prices. >> >> Lynne >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Sun Aug 14 23:09:47 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 15:09:47 -0700 Subject: Some iPod Touch Questions Message-ID: <352DBBC5-AD37-48CE-B198-B190F0344A4B@q.com> Hi Everyone, I got my iPod Touch almost a week ago. Since then, I've been able to accomplish quite a few good things with it, some on my own, and some with the help of a good friend. I need to go into VoiceOver to the practice area and really practice my gestures, because I have done a couple of things completely by accident that I didn't mean to do. I used to have both YouTube and Facetime on my main screen, but somehow, inadvertently, I seemed to have moved them into a "social" folder that I didn't even know I had! For the time being, I'd like to get them back to their original position, but since I am not sure how I got them there in the first place, I'm not sure what to do next. Also, I got my email account from my iMac all nicely synced up with my iPod, but when email is downloaded to my iPod, it is remaining on the server, so when I go back to my iMac, I'm seeing all of my messages over again. I definitely want to change this, because when I check my mail remotely, I don't want to come back home and find all the messages on my iMac still to have to be dealt with. I went into accounts on my iMac, but didn't seem to find any settings relevant to my iPod there. Then, I went into settings on my iPod, found the email settings, but didn't find anything dealing with how to make sure that messages are deleted from the server once they're downloaded to my iPod. My last question for now, deals with how one deletes email messages from the iPod permanently. I have been able to delete them, but they seem to be going to a "trash folder" so I guess what I'm asking, is how do I empty the trash? Any help with all of this would be most appreciated! One thing I'll say for sure is that this device, my iPod, is sure chipping away at my confidence in my ability to learn new things! Thanks in advance! Desi From krbarry at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 23:56:42 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 18:56:42 -0400 Subject: Crucial; The memory Experts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4e4852ad.4106e50a.526d.ffff9a4a@mx.google.com> I wish I'd said something like that once or twice. KB At 04:27 PM 8/14/2011, you wrote: >Hello everybody > >I have just placed an order for a memory upgrade >for our Mac Mini server. I am writing because I >am so astounded by the price differences between >Crucial and Apple. Apple appear to want ?150.00 >GBP for an 8GB (2x4GB) kit of modules PC10600 >DDR3 small outline unbuffered unregistered 1333 >MHZ SDRAM which is what the Mac Mini uses. >Crucial, for the exact same product, want just >?44.00 GBP. In other words, Apple want 200% >mark-up on the product which we are getting for >less than a third of the price elsewhere. I'm >sorry but to me that pricing from Apple is >utterly outrageous. I'd love to know what planet >they live on when they calculate prices. > >Lynne > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your >message to mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all >messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed >malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership >options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From zkline at speedpost.net Mon Aug 15 00:11:19 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 16:11:19 -0700 Subject: Some iPod Touch Questions In-Reply-To: <352DBBC5-AD37-48CE-B198-B190F0344A4B@q.com> References: <352DBBC5-AD37-48CE-B198-B190F0344A4B@q.com> Message-ID: <45684137-5BA3-43B6-89CC-206E3F2612CA@speedpost.net> Hi Desi, I can try to answer one of your questions, at least. The Social folder was accidentally created when you moved the Youtube app on top of the Facetime app. This is generally done by double tapping and holding on either app, which produces a specific sound and a prompt of "Moving Appname." From there, it's easy to drag apps on top of one another without meaning to. There is a command in the settings area which will allow you to reset your home screens. Alternatively, if you don't want to be so drastic, double tap and hold on either app in the social folder and move your finger until VOiceOvre tells you that you are outside of the folder. That will place the app on the home screen proper again. Moving the last app out of a folder deletes that folder. Your email questions are sadly dependent on your email provider. What kind of account are you using, POP or IMAP? If IMAP, then having messages remain on server is the expected behavior. I'm afraid I only use IMAP myself, so can't comment much unfortunately. Deleting email is a similarly account-dependent activity. Hope this helps somewhat, Zack. On Aug 14, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I got my iPod Touch almost a week ago. Since then, I've been able to accomplish quite a few good things with it, some on my own, and some with the help of a good friend. I need to go into VoiceOver to the practice area and really practice my gestures, because I have done a couple of things completely by accident that I didn't mean to do. I used to have both YouTube and Facetime on my main screen, but somehow, inadvertently, I seemed to have moved them into a "social" folder that I didn't even know I had! For the time being, I'd like to get them back to their original position, but since I am not sure how I got them there in the first place, I'm not sure what to do next. > > Also, I got my email account from my iMac all nicely synced up with my iPod, but when email is downloaded to my iPod, it is remaining on the server, so when I go back to my iMac, I'm seeing all of my messages over again. I definitely want to change this, because when I check my mail remotely, I don't want to come back home and find all the messages on my iMac still to have to be dealt with. I went into accounts on my iMac, but didn't seem to find any settings relevant to my iPod there. Then, I went into settings on my iPod, found the email settings, but didn't find anything dealing with how to make sure that messages are deleted from the server once they're downloaded to my iPod. > > My last question for now, deals with how one deletes email messages from the iPod permanently. I have been able to delete them, but they seem to be going to a "trash folder" so I guess what I'm asking, is how do I empty the trash? Any help with all of this would be most appreciated! One thing I'll say for sure is that this device, my iPod, is sure chipping away at my confidence in my ability to learn new things! > > Thanks in advance! > > Desi > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Mon Aug 15 05:08:09 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 21:08:09 -0700 Subject: Some iPod Touch Questions In-Reply-To: <45684137-5BA3-43B6-89CC-206E3F2612CA@speedpost.net> References: <352DBBC5-AD37-48CE-B198-B190F0344A4B@q.com> <45684137-5BA3-43B6-89CC-206E3F2612CA@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <850DF3D6-7203-4FF7-8E36-F19A8FF95400@q.com> Hi Zack, Thank you so much! I was able to get it all straightened out! Largely due to your great suggestions! Will call my email provider tomorrow to fix the email issues! Thanks so much for answering my question so quickly! Desi On Aug 14, 2011, at 4:11 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Desi, > I can try to answer one of your questions, at least. The Social folder was accidentally created when you moved the Youtube app on top of the Facetime app. This is generally done by double tapping and holding on either app, which produces a specific sound and a prompt of "Moving Appname." From there, it's easy to drag apps on top of one another without meaning to. > There is a command in the settings area which will allow you to reset your home screens. Alternatively, if you don't want to be so drastic, double tap and hold on either app in the social folder and move your finger until VOiceOvre tells you that you are outside of the folder. That will place the app on the home screen proper again. Moving the last app out of a folder deletes that folder. > Your email questions are sadly dependent on your email provider. What kind of account are you using, POP or IMAP? If IMAP, then having messages remain on server is the expected behavior. I'm afraid I only use IMAP myself, so can't comment much unfortunately. Deleting email is a similarly account-dependent activity. > Hope this helps somewhat, > Zack. > On Aug 14, 2011, at 3:09 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I got my iPod Touch almost a week ago. Since then, I've been able to accomplish quite a few good things with it, some on my own, and some with the help of a good friend. I need to go into VoiceOver to the practice area and really practice my gestures, because I have done a couple of things completely by accident that I didn't mean to do. I used to have both YouTube and Facetime on my main screen, but somehow, inadvertently, I seemed to have moved them into a "social" folder that I didn't even know I had! For the time being, I'd like to get them back to their original position, but since I am not sure how I got them there in the first place, I'm not sure what to do next. >> >> Also, I got my email account from my iMac all nicely synced up with my iPod, but when email is downloaded to my iPod, it is remaining on the server, so when I go back to my iMac, I'm seeing all of my messages over again. I definitely want to change this, because when I check my mail remotely, I don't want to come back home and find all the messages on my iMac still to have to be dealt with. I went into accounts on my iMac, but didn't seem to find any settings relevant to my iPod there. Then, I went into settings on my iPod, found the email settings, but didn't find anything dealing with how to make sure that messages are deleted from the server once they're downloaded to my iPod. >> >> My last question for now, deals with how one deletes email messages from the iPod permanently. I have been able to delete them, but they seem to be going to a "trash folder" so I guess what I'm asking, is how do I empty the trash? Any help with all of this would be most appreciated! One thing I'll say for sure is that this device, my iPod, is sure chipping away at my confidence in my ability to learn new things! >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Desi >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Aug 15 06:39:49 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 06:39:49 +0100 Subject: CD/DVD Sharing Under Lion Message-ID: <74524852-E861-4987-8C2F-B65898FCC1C5@mac-access.net> Hello everybody I hate to be a bore; but I wonder, could somebody possibly explain to me please just how CD/DVD sharing is supposed to work on the new Mac Mini, MacBook Air, etc. under Lion? We've been told, I think incorrectly, that we might be able to have our Mac Mini server boot from a DVD using CD/DVD sharing. I am by no means an expert in these matters hence my question. But I'm very skeptical for a number of reasons: 1. I don't believe this is possible using the type of network that we use. Ours isn't the typical residential style network that uses NAT addressing in the 192.168.*.(* or 10.0.*.* range. Our networks require explicit addressing and if that doesn't exist, that's the end of the story, the TCP/IP connection isn't going to work. However, I know that there are other protocols as well but I still think they rely on an automated network which ours are not. We could probably enable DHCP at our router; but that could prove disruptive in other ways and it's something we're unwilling to do. Quite apart from anything else, it's yet another security block. If somebody were to manage to infiltrate our network by guessing the WEP2 Enterprise pass phrase which, given its length and characteristics, I think is unlikely, they would then require explicit IP addressing in order to be able to do anything with our network. But now I am babbling; so on with the matter in hand. 2. It is my understanding that there are firmware issues involved because we can't even get the machine to boot from a DVD drive connected to it via USB with either a Snow Leopard or a Lion DVD in the tray. If that won't work I really don't see how DVD sharing is going to work even if there is an active network connection. I believe that the 2.0 GHZ I7 quad core Mac Mini Server and the new I7 2.7 GHZ client version of the mid 2011 Mac Mini as well will only boot either from its internal HD or via the boot ROM downloading a copy of Lion or Lion Server, dependent on which Mac Mini you have, from the Apple website. That latter option would be difficult for us since as I keep saying, we don't use NAT. So, if anybody can enlighten me further I would be grateful. Currently we are toying with the idea of upgrading some of our other hardware which represents another investment in Mac Access Dot Net. But only if it's going to be really beneficial and only if it's going to give us the flexibility we need. Gordon keeps talking about going the Mac Pro route and, if indeed there is no other way to boot the Mini, I think that's something we're going to have to seriously investigate either later this year or early next. Thank you most kindly for any input. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Aug 15 07:21:53 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:21:53 +0100 Subject: Crucial; The memory Experts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7616101B-DEA5-4147-96CA-E6CF1843A6CA@mac-access.net> hello Colin We're getting slightly OT when we start talking about things like cars; but I can see what you're driving at, (pardon the very obvious pun), and why; I just had to get that one in! ;-) Anyway, you're correct. Apple is a commercial organisation when it comes down to it and they are there to make money. But that kind of astonishing pricing is just a little silly. You're paying for the "badge", and the brand name. Actually though, the memory isn't really manufactured by Apple at all; it's usually either Hitachi or Sony when you strip the labels off the IIC modules you can see the manufacturer's logos. I know that because I have done it. The last time we bought from Crucial it was for another type of machine and the memory we bought is now also obsolete. So out of curiosity I'm going to repeat the exercise and pull the labels off the chips. What's the betting that they'll be produced by other manufacturers, even though in this case they have an Asus sticker on the modules themselves. Make of that what you will; but it seems to me like what's referred to in the vernacular as a "racket". Lynne On 14 Aug 2011, at 21:41, Red.Falcon wrote: Well Apple as good as they are, they are in it for profit! And a number of people will just buy straight from Apple without looking around I think partly due to Apples name! But it does make me wonder how much of this is profit! And how much they could really bring the price of there full range down! And still make a good profit! But as it is the normal practice in the UK [I do not know about other countries ] people will pay just to have the latest and newest! For years people have paid more for cars in the UK but could get the same model much cheeper in the rest of Europe! Apart from being lefthand drive! It's simple if people did not pay then the price would have to drop! From support at mac-access.net Mon Aug 15 07:26:02 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:26:02 +0100 Subject: Our Sister Group Message-ID: <80EB8D02-F8C9-41A2-82AA-4323E92B99BA@mac-access.net> Hello everybody As a follow-up from Sarah's post, I just wanted to let you know, if you don't already, that we run a general technology chat group as well as Mac Access. There you can discuss anything technology, not just computers. If you'd like to join, send a message to: with the word "subscribe", (no quotes) in the body of the message. That might be a way to ease the frustration of those on list wanting questions answering but not wanting to go off topic. You may pose your Windows bootcamp issues there, and you'll more than likely get an answer and you won't be off topic. ------------------------------ Gordon & Lynne Smith, Are you an iOS or Mac OS fan? If so, consider joining our vibrant community of fellow-enthusiasts. To join our forum, send a message to: with the word "subscribe" [no quotes] in the subject line of your message. Or else, visit: ------------------------------ From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Aug 15 10:35:32 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:35:32 +0100 Subject: Terminal Query Message-ID: <12B13227-0605-42AB-98EE-33E43E5BA72B@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Does anybody happen to know whether there is a way to dump the output of a man page in terminal to a text file? I need to refer to the syntax of a command but I would prefer to have it available in front of me as I work. So what I thought I could do was to dump it to a text file and then print it out. But the usual method doesn't seem to work on this occasion and it looks as though the information on the command I'm looking at is a multi-page command. Lynne From moriond at mac.com Mon Aug 15 12:14:17 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 01:14:17 -1000 Subject: Terminal Query In-Reply-To: <12B13227-0605-42AB-98EE-33E43E5BA72B@mac-access.net> References: <12B13227-0605-42AB-98EE-33E43E5BA72B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <2A7FD1C4-0747-4043-B70C-9096A9C61F17@mac.com> Hello Lynne, There are several ways to display man pages using scripts in Terminal, as summarized recently, for example, in this Mac OS X Hints page titled "Open formatted man pages in Preview from the command line": The man pages are also available at the Apple Developer's site, and if I want to refer someone to the man page definition in a post, I'll google the command to post a URL (e.g. "man apple developer"). The complete man pages are available from: However, if you don't want to create a script or put a definition in a ".profile" file in your account, try looking into Bwana, which is a freeware app that is Lion ready, and which will display the man pages in Safari. Here's the URL of a recent blog post, "Man Pages Made Easy", that gives examples of how to use Bwana, and also gives a link to the download location: http://krypted.com/mac-os-x/man-pages-made-easy/ Alternatively, there's a $2.99 app in the Mac App Store called "Man Page Viewer" that you can try. (Bwana should actually give you more capabilities, but this looks like it might be a simple solution). The other options either involve apps that I'm not sure are still supported under Lion, or else which I don't feel necessarily justify the price (e.g. the $25 price for Manpower in the Mac App Store). I haven't tried the options mentioned in these last two paragraphs myself, but they're what I would look into. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Aug 14, 2011, at 23:35, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Does anybody happen to know whether there is a way to dump the output of a man page in terminal to a text file? I need to refer to the syntax of a command but I would prefer to have it available in front of me as I work. So what I thought I could do was to dump it to a text file and then print it out. But the usual method doesn't seem to work on this occasion and it looks as though the information on the command I'm looking at is a multi-page command. > > Lynne From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 15 12:43:08 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:43:08 +0100 Subject: Terminal Query In-Reply-To: <2A7FD1C4-0747-4043-B70C-9096A9C61F17@mac.com> References: <12B13227-0605-42AB-98EE-33E43E5BA72B@mac-access.net> <2A7FD1C4-0747-4043-B70C-9096A9C61F17@mac.com> Message-ID: <2531D3EC-8270-4C3E-88A7-84CC7F21ECCB@mac-access.net> Hello Esther Thank you for the below. I'm replying on Lynne's behalf as she's had to go into work to cover for somebody. All she wants to do is display the man page for a single command at the moment. I'm not sure whether the standard version of Lion would have it actually because it's only required on the server OS. But what she's trying to do is to get an output form the external command "/usr/bin/certtool". It's unfortunate that this has to be such a messy issue. You'd think that you could simply dump it to a text file. Thanks for the below; I will investigate for her. Gordon On 15 Aug 2011, at 12:14, Esther wrote: Hello Lynne, There are several ways to display man pages using scripts in Terminal, as summarized recently, for example, in this Mac OS X Hints page titled "Open formatted man pages in Preview from the command line": The man pages are also available at the Apple Developer's site, and if I want to refer someone to the man page definition in a post, I'll google the command to post a URL (e.g. "man apple developer"). The complete man pages are available from: However, if you don't want to create a script or put a definition in a ".profile" file in your account, try looking into Bwana, which is a freeware app that is Lion ready, and which will display the man pages in Safari. Here's the URL of a recent blog post, "Man Pages Made Easy", that gives examples of how to use Bwana, and also gives a link to the download location: http://krypted.com/mac-os-x/man-pages-made-easy/ Alternatively, there's a $2.99 app in the Mac App Store called "Man Page Viewer" that you can try. (Bwana should actually give you more capabilities, but this looks like it might be a simple solution). The other options either involve apps that I'm not sure are still supported under Lion, or else which I don't feel necessarily justify the price (e.g. the $25 price for Manpower in the Mac App Store). I haven't tried the options mentioned in these last two paragraphs myself, but they're what I would look into. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Aug 14, 2011, at 23:35, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Does anybody happen to know whether there is a way to dump the output of a man page in terminal to a text file? I need to refer to the syntax of a command but I would prefer to have it available in front of me as I work. So what I thought I could do was to dump it to a text file and then print it out. But the usual method doesn't seem to work on this occasion and it looks as though the information on the command I'm looking at is a multi-page command. > > Lynne <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From d.griffith at btinternet.com Mon Aug 15 13:01:11 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:01:11 +0100 Subject: Turning on the I-Mac Message-ID: <643459DA8B424FE8883D68E27EC971A3@6ffd52c138504d6> Dear list Sorry for this most basic of questions. I have just taken delivery of my I-Mac. I have connected the keyboard and plugged the mains but cannot feel where the power on switch is. There is a round smooth circle below the centre of the monitor but this does not depress. Touching it or holding a finger down on it does not appear to turn on the machine. Before I start trying to scan the manuals on my PC is there anybody who can simply tell me how to turn the I-Mac on? Regards David Griffith __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6378 (20110815) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Aug 15 13:11:24 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:11:24 +0100 Subject: Turning on the I-Mac In-Reply-To: <643459DA8B424FE8883D68E27EC971A3@6ffd52c138504d6> References: <643459DA8B424FE8883D68E27EC971A3@6ffd52c138504d6> Message-ID: <9AA77109-AEBB-4907-A299-1C89E71F14C7@blueyonder.co.uk> David, The circle you are feeling on the front below the screen is actually the Apple logo. You will find the power button on the back of the iMac. Place your left hand on the left hand side of the iMac and gently feel around to the back bottom corner and you should find a round power button. Chris On 15 Aug 2011, at 13:01, David Griffith wrote: > Dear list > > Sorry for this most basic of questions. > > I have just taken delivery of my I-Mac. > I have connected the keyboard and plugged the mains but cannot feel where > the power on switch is. > There is a round smooth circle below the centre of the monitor but this does > not depress. Touching it or holding a finger down on it does not appear to > turn on the machine. > > Before I start trying to scan the manuals on my PC is there anybody who can > simply tell me how to turn the I-Mac on? > > Regards > > David Griffith > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6378 (20110815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From molliesdad87 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 13:12:33 2011 From: molliesdad87 at gmail.com (Bob Hill) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 08:12:33 -0400 Subject: Turning on the I-Mac In-Reply-To: <643459DA8B424FE8883D68E27EC971A3@6ffd52c138504d6> References: <643459DA8B424FE8883D68E27EC971A3@6ffd52c138504d6> Message-ID: <4940F9F7-EEDC-43E2-B5BD-C041287A0E6C@gmail.com> Hi David, If you are facing the computer, take your left hand and reach around the back of the unit, at the bottom left corner. Maybe 3 inches from the bottom left corner you should find a round button almost flush with the back of the device. The button is concave. This is the power button. Hope that helps. Bob Hill On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:01 AM, David Griffith wrote: > Dear list > > Sorry for this most basic of questions. > > I have just taken delivery of my I-Mac. > I have connected the keyboard and plugged the mains but cannot feel where > the power on switch is. > There is a round smooth circle below the centre of the monitor but this does > not depress. Touching it or holding a finger down on it does not appear to > turn on the machine. > > Before I start trying to scan the manuals on my PC is there anybody who can > simply tell me how to turn the I-Mac on? > > Regards > > David Griffith > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6378 (20110815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 15 13:16:05 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:16:05 +0100 Subject: Turning on the I-Mac In-Reply-To: <643459DA8B424FE8883D68E27EC971A3@6ffd52c138504d6> References: <643459DA8B424FE8883D68E27EC971A3@6ffd52c138504d6> Message-ID: <5E11DAFC-11EC-4E3E-8093-6AC17F103462@mac-access.net> David From memory the power with is on the bottom right corner at the back. Gordon On 15 Aug 2011, at 13:01, David Griffith wrote: Dear list Sorry for this most basic of questions. I have just taken delivery of my I-Mac. I have connected the keyboard and plugged the mains but cannot feel where the power on switch is. There is a round smooth circle below the centre of the monitor but this does not depress. Touching it or holding a finger down on it does not appear to turn on the machine. Before I start trying to scan the manuals on my PC is there anybody who can simply tell me how to turn the I-Mac on? Regards David Griffith __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6378 (20110815) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 15 13:17:27 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:17:27 +0100 Subject: Turning on the I-Mac In-Reply-To: <9AA77109-AEBB-4907-A299-1C89E71F14C7@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <643459DA8B424FE8883D68E27EC971A3@6ffd52c138504d6> <9AA77109-AEBB-4907-A299-1C89E71F14C7@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi David and Chris Oopse! Shows how long it is since I used an iMac. Sorry about that, I got the wrong corner. Gordon On 15 Aug 2011, at 13:11, Chris Moore wrote: David, The circle you are feeling on the front below the screen is actually the Apple logo. You will find the power button on the back of the iMac. Place your left hand on the left hand side of the iMac and gently feel around to the back bottom corner and you should find a round power button. Chris On 15 Aug 2011, at 13:01, David Griffith wrote: > Dear list > > Sorry for this most basic of questions. > > I have just taken delivery of my I-Mac. > I have connected the keyboard and plugged the mains but cannot feel where > the power on switch is. > There is a round smooth circle below the centre of the monitor but this does > not depress. Touching it or holding a finger down on it does not appear to > turn on the machine. > > Before I start trying to scan the manuals on my PC is there anybody who can > simply tell me how to turn the I-Mac on? > > Regards > > David Griffith > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6378 (20110815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From moriond at mac.com Mon Aug 15 14:00:21 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 03:00:21 -1000 Subject: Man page entries sent to TextEdit or Preview [was Re: Terminal Query] In-Reply-To: <2531D3EC-8270-4C3E-88A7-84CC7F21ECCB@mac-access.net> References: <12B13227-0605-42AB-98EE-33E43E5BA72B@mac-access.net> <2A7FD1C4-0747-4043-B70C-9096A9C61F17@mac.com> <2531D3EC-8270-4C3E-88A7-84CC7F21ECCB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6C8B79B6-700E-43AC-97F8-C3831920D314@mac.com> Hello Gordon, I'll attach, in a separate off-list post, the PDF file that I get from my system (Mac OS X 10.6.8) when I do a man on certtool. As I mentioned, I'd do a Google search on "man certtool apple developer" to get the web page for this man entry at the Apple Developer site: You can generate a PDF file of a "man" command that will be displayed in Preview with: man -t certtool | open -f -a /Applications/Preview.app The beginning of the command "man -t certtool" creates a PostScript output version of the man command for "certtool" and sends it to stdout. I wanted to send it directly to a printer, I'd pipe it to "lp": man -t certtool | lp If I want to generate a PDF file and read this on my screen, I'll instead direct this open in the Preview application, which will automatically convert the PostScript format to PDF, and display it. Now, for a faster option for my own reading with VoiceOver, I can send this output to TextEdit instead of Preview: man certtool | col -b | open -f -a "TextEdit" It's easier to have my shell set up with a definition, so I don't have to type all the commands. On my account I keep a ".profile" file with definitions for both a "pman" and a "tman" command that can be typed as a Terminal command instead of "man". So when I type "pman certtool", the output man command will automatically show up in Preview and "tman certtool" will automatically show up in TextEdit. Here are the two definitions in my user account's ".profile" file (where I've enclosed the name of the file in quotes, so the initial "dot" prefix is noted). pman() { man -t "${1}" | open -f -a /Applications/Preview.app/ } tman() { man "${1}" | col -b | open -f -a "TextEdit" } I'll bet Travis could also suggest some methods/refinements. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Aug 15, 2011, at 01:43, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello Esther > > Thank you for the below. I'm replying on Lynne's behalf as she's had to go into work to cover for somebody. > > All she wants to do is display the man page for a single command at the moment. I'm not sure whether the standard version of Lion would have it actually because it's only required on the server OS. > > But what she's trying to do is to get an output form the external command "/usr/bin/certtool". > > It's unfortunate that this has to be such a messy issue. You'd think that you could simply dump it to a text file. > > Thanks for the below; I will investigate for her. > > Gordon > > > On 15 Aug 2011, at 12:14, Esther wrote: > > Hello Lynne, > > There are several ways to display man pages using scripts in Terminal, as summarized recently, for example, in this Mac OS X Hints page titled "Open formatted man pages in Preview from the command line": > > > The man pages are also available at the Apple Developer's site, and if I want to refer someone to the man page definition in a post, I'll google the command to post a URL (e.g. "man apple developer"). The complete man pages are available from: > > > However, if you don't want to create a script or put a definition in a ".profile" file in your account, try looking into Bwana, which is a freeware app that is Lion ready, and which will display the man pages in Safari. Here's the URL of a recent blog post, "Man Pages Made Easy", that gives examples of how to use Bwana, and also gives a link to the download location: > http://krypted.com/mac-os-x/man-pages-made-easy/ > > Alternatively, there's a $2.99 app in the Mac App Store called "Man Page Viewer" that you can try. (Bwana should actually give you more capabilities, but this looks like it might be a simple solution). The other options either involve apps that I'm not sure are still supported under Lion, or else which I don't feel necessarily justify the price (e.g. the $25 price for Manpower in the Mac App Store). I haven't tried the options mentioned in these last two paragraphs myself, but they're what I would look into. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Aug 14, 2011, at 23:35, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello everybody >> >> Does anybody happen to know whether there is a way to dump the output of a man page in terminal to a text file? I need to refer to the syntax of a command but I would prefer to have it available in front of me as I work. So what I thought I could do was to dump it to a text file and then print it out. But the usual method doesn't seem to work on this occasion and it looks as though the information on the command I'm looking at is a multi-page command. >> >> Lynne > From Frank.Ventura at littlebreezes.com Mon Aug 15 14:03:45 2011 From: Frank.Ventura at littlebreezes.com (Frank Ventura) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:03:45 -0400 Subject: Rerouting audio inputs on a Mac Mini Message-ID: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2D9C@mail.mail.breezes.local> Hello all, I would like to know if there is a means or a piece of software to take input from several USb sound cards attached to a Mac and route it to another audio device (probably another USB sound card) for output? For example if I had three USB sound cards attached, each with an audio input is there some means of switching from one to another and routing that selection to another sound card for output? Also is there a limit to the number of USB sound devices attached? Thanks Frank From d.griffith at btinternet.com Mon Aug 15 15:09:54 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:09:54 +0100 Subject: Turning on the I-Mac In-Reply-To: <4940F9F7-EEDC-43E2-B5BD-C041287A0E6C@gmail.com> References: <643459DA8B424FE8883D68E27EC971A3@6ffd52c138504d6> <4940F9F7-EEDC-43E2-B5BD-C041287A0E6C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AB4A7E05B1C48399CB274BF36BDC491@6ffd52c138504d6> Thanks for all the help. I am up an running now. The Mac is so much quieter than my old rattling PC it may even cause my wife to forgive how much I have spent on it. Some things are ridiculously easy. Getting online was a breeze compared to the blood sweat and tears I have had to exert on PCs over the years. There is still obviously a learning curve. A few initial queries. My I-Mac shipped with Daniel as the default voice. I think I would prefer Alex, at least for typing echo. I have gone into voice properties by pressing VO command and right arrow but I cannot change from Daniel in these properties. Any comments? I cannot get into voiceover utility so it looks like I need to change the function key setting in system preferences but I am getting a little lost in these at the moment. I am trying to dig up a podcast where I am sure that this is described in system preferences. The final oddity at the moment is that there are 2 F5 keys on my keyboard. Does anybody know why this would be the case? Thanks again for the help. Regards David Griffith -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Bob Hill Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 13:13 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Turning on the I-Mac Hi David, If you are facing the computer, take your left hand and reach around the back of the unit, at the bottom left corner. Maybe 3 inches from the bottom left corner you should find a round button almost flush with the back of the device. The button is concave. This is the power button. Hope that helps. Bob Hill On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:01 AM, David Griffith wrote: > Dear list > > Sorry for this most basic of questions. > > I have just taken delivery of my I-Mac. > I have connected the keyboard and plugged the mains but cannot feel where > the power on switch is. > There is a round smooth circle below the centre of the monitor but this does > not depress. Touching it or holding a finger down on it does not appear to > turn on the machine. > > Before I start trying to scan the manuals on my PC is there anybody who can > simply tell me how to turn the I-Mac on? > > Regards > > David Griffith > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6378 (20110815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6379 (20110815) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6379 (20110815) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6379 (20110815) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 15 15:16:08 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:16:08 +0100 Subject: Rerouting audio inputs on a Mac Mini In-Reply-To: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2D9C@mail.mail.breezes.local> References: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2D9C@mail.mail.breezes.local> Message-ID: <837FC7E7-3F6D-4345-8A82-049F3AA1E9C0@mac-access.net> Hi Frank yes, this is very easy. I recommend the Griffin iMic which just plugs in and works. Gordon On 15 Aug 2011, at 14:03, Frank Ventura wrote: Hello all, I would like to know if there is a means or a piece of software to take input from several USb sound cards attached to a Mac and route it to another audio device (probably another USB sound card) for output? For example if I had three USB sound cards attached, each with an audio input is there some means of switching from one to another and routing that selection to another sound card for output? Also is there a limit to the number of USB sound devices attached? Thanks Frank <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 15 15:28:22 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 15:28:22 +0100 Subject: Mobile Communications Message-ID: Hi all i seem to remember reading somewhere that you can now use your iPhone/ipad as a modem and use your Mac when mobile. Is this right? If so, how is it accomplished? Gordon From david.mclean at cox.net Mon Aug 15 15:59:16 2011 From: david.mclean at cox.net (David McLean) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:59:16 -0400 Subject: Turning on the I-Mac In-Reply-To: <643459DA8B424FE8883D68E27EC971A3@6ffd52c138504d6> References: <643459DA8B424FE8883D68E27EC971A3@6ffd52c138504d6> Message-ID: <2A3F2385-51A3-4155-9692-61F7276BCA7C@cox.net> Look on the rear of the machine near the bottom on the left if you're facing the front of the machine. That is where it is on the late 2009 iMac so I'd imagine it's near that in any case. On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:01 AM, David Griffith wrote: > Dear list > > Sorry for this most basic of questions. > > I have just taken delivery of my I-Mac. > I have connected the keyboard and plugged the mains but cannot feel where > the power on switch is. > There is a round smooth circle below the centre of the monitor but this does > not depress. Touching it or holding a finger down on it does not appear to > turn on the machine. > > Before I start trying to scan the manuals on my PC is there anybody who can > simply tell me how to turn the I-Mac on? > > Regards > > David Griffith > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6378 (20110815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 16:09:38 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:09:38 +0200 Subject: Gifting App Store applications Message-ID: <305F2725-A36B-42A0-B125-3A7C3AD83E0C@gmail.com> Hi everyone, According to Apple's Terms of COnditions, you are supposed to gift App Store applications by clicking "Gift this app" in the Actions popup menu. However, I only have "Tell a friend" and "Copy Link." I've been looking around also, and several Mac sites seem to confirm that you can indeed gift App Store applications. Would anyone here mind checking if they can find this? Because, as far as I can see, I can't. Thank you. Regards, Nic From molliesdad87 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 16:33:32 2011 From: molliesdad87 at gmail.com (Bob Hill) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 11:33:32 -0400 Subject: Turning on the I-Mac In-Reply-To: <4AB4A7E05B1C48399CB274BF36BDC491@6ffd52c138504d6> References: <643459DA8B424FE8883D68E27EC971A3@6ffd52c138504d6> <4940F9F7-EEDC-43E2-B5BD-C041287A0E6C@gmail.com> <4AB4A7E05B1C48399CB274BF36BDC491@6ffd52c138504d6> Message-ID: <1EE499BC-57A4-4BFB-B3B3-E45A1680C3F9@gmail.com> HI David and all, Well, let's see what we can find out. When I use VO-command-right arrow, I can move to the property I want to change. I then move with VO-Command-up arrow, or down arrow to change that particular property. To change the keyboard function key behavior, I go to system preferences by hitting the VO-m combination, finding the Apple menu, moving down until I hit system preferences, then hitting VO-spacebar on that. Then, I hit VO-Right arrow until I get to the scroll area, then interact with it by pressing shift-VO-down arrow. Then I hit VO-down arrow until I hear "hardware" Next, I press VO-right arrow until I hear "keyboard" and then interact with that by hitting VO-spacebar. Then, I VO-right arrow until I hear "keyboard tab" which should be selected. If not, then press VO-spacebar to select. Now keep hitting VO-right arrow until you hear the item related to function keys. This is a checkbox which needs to be checked. Just hit VO-spacebar on it if it isn't checked. Then you can close the system preferences window, and now you should be able to use those keys to get to VO utilities, and other VO functions. I'm not sure about the 2 f5 keys. Again, I hope this is helpful. Bob Hill On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:09 AM, David Griffith wrote: > Thanks for all the help. > > I am up an running now. > The Mac is so much quieter than my old rattling PC it may even cause my wife > to forgive how much I have spent on it. Some things are ridiculously easy. > Getting online was a breeze compared to the blood sweat and tears I have had > to exert on PCs over the years. > There is still obviously a learning curve. > A few initial queries. > My I-Mac shipped with Daniel as the default voice. > I think I would prefer Alex, at least for typing echo. > I have gone into voice properties by pressing VO command and right arrow but > I cannot change from Daniel in these properties. Any comments? > I cannot get into voiceover utility so it looks like I need to change the > function key setting in system preferences but I am getting a little lost in > these at the moment. I am trying to dig up a podcast where I am sure that > this is described in system preferences. > The final oddity at the moment is that there are 2 F5 keys on my keyboard. > Does anybody know why this would be the case? > Thanks again for the help. > > Regards > > David Griffith > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Bob Hill > Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 13:13 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Turning on the I-Mac > > Hi David, > > If you are facing the computer, take your left hand and reach around the > back of the unit, at the bottom left corner. > Maybe 3 inches from the bottom left corner you should find a round button > almost flush with the back of the device. > The button is concave. > > This is the power button. > Hope that helps. > > Bob Hill > > On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:01 AM, David Griffith wrote: > >> Dear list >> >> Sorry for this most basic of questions. >> >> I have just taken delivery of my I-Mac. >> I have connected the keyboard and plugged the mains but cannot feel where >> the power on switch is. >> There is a round smooth circle below the centre of the monitor but this > does >> not depress. Touching it or holding a finger down on it does not appear to >> turn on the machine. >> >> Before I start trying to scan the manuals on my PC is there anybody who > can >> simply tell me how to turn the I-Mac on? >> >> Regards >> >> David Griffith >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature >> database 6378 (20110815) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6379 (20110815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6379 (20110815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6379 (20110815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 15 16:42:45 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:42:45 +0100 Subject: Gifting App Store applications In-Reply-To: <305F2725-A36B-42A0-B125-3A7C3AD83E0C@gmail.com> References: <305F2725-A36B-42A0-B125-3A7C3AD83E0C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Nic Nope, it's not there on ours. But I wonder if that appears post-purchase. Gordon On 15 Aug 2011, at 16:09, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi everyone, According to Apple's Terms of COnditions, you are supposed to gift App Store applications by clicking "Gift this app" in the Actions popup menu. However, I only have "Tell a friend" and "Copy Link." I've been looking around also, and several Mac sites seem to confirm that you can indeed gift App Store applications. Would anyone here mind checking if they can find this? Because, as far as I can see, I can't. Thank you. Regards, Nic<--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 16:44:35 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:44:35 +0200 Subject: Turning on the I-Mac In-Reply-To: <1EE499BC-57A4-4BFB-B3B3-E45A1680C3F9@gmail.com> References: <643459DA8B424FE8883D68E27EC971A3@6ffd52c138504d6> <4940F9F7-EEDC-43E2-B5BD-C041287A0E6C@gmail.com> <4AB4A7E05B1C48399CB274BF36BDC491@6ffd52c138504d6> <1EE499BC-57A4-4BFB-B3B3-E45A1680C3F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6CACFDCE-B217-43C3-B4D2-E66CBEEFC9BB@gmail.com> Hi! Another thing that may be useful is to add System Preferences to your dock. This can be done by going to your Applications folder with Command-Shift-A, then typing the first few letters of System. Then, when you are on it, hit Command-Shift-T to add it to the Dock. Incidentally, you can also locate System preferences in the dock if it is running and not yet added permanently to the dock, then hit VO-Shift-M to bring up its contextual menu. This will display all the categories contained within System Preferences, and you can then select the "Options" submenu and select "Keep in dock." Additionally, even if System Preferences is not running but added to the dock, selecting a category from the dock item's contextual menu (brought up with VO-Shift-M) will open that particular preference pane. Regards, Nic On Aug 15, 2011, at 5:33 PM, Bob Hill wrote: > HI David and all, > > Well, let's see what we can find out. > > When I use VO-command-right arrow, I can move to the property I want to change. I then move with VO-Command-up arrow, or down arrow to change that particular property. > > To change the keyboard function key behavior, I go to system preferences by hitting the VO-m combination, finding the Apple menu, moving down until I hit system preferences, then hitting VO-spacebar on that. > Then, I hit VO-Right arrow until I get to the scroll area, then interact with it by pressing shift-VO-down arrow. > Then I hit VO-down arrow until I hear "hardware" > Next, I press VO-right arrow until I hear "keyboard" and then interact with that by hitting VO-spacebar. > Then, I VO-right arrow until I hear "keyboard tab" which should be selected. If not, then press VO-spacebar to select. > Now keep hitting VO-right arrow until you hear the item related to function keys. > This is a checkbox which needs to be checked. > Just hit VO-spacebar on it if it isn't checked. > Then you can close the system preferences window, and now you should be able to use those keys to get to VO utilities, and other VO functions. > > I'm not sure about the 2 f5 keys. > > Again, I hope this is helpful. > > Bob Hill > > On Aug 15, 2011, at 10:09 AM, David Griffith wrote: > >> Thanks for all the help. >> >> I am up an running now. >> The Mac is so much quieter than my old rattling PC it may even cause my wife >> to forgive how much I have spent on it. Some things are ridiculously easy. >> Getting online was a breeze compared to the blood sweat and tears I have had >> to exert on PCs over the years. >> There is still obviously a learning curve. >> A few initial queries. >> My I-Mac shipped with Daniel as the default voice. >> I think I would prefer Alex, at least for typing echo. >> I have gone into voice properties by pressing VO command and right arrow but >> I cannot change from Daniel in these properties. Any comments? >> I cannot get into voiceover utility so it looks like I need to change the >> function key setting in system preferences but I am getting a little lost in >> these at the moment. I am trying to dig up a podcast where I am sure that >> this is described in system preferences. >> The final oddity at the moment is that there are 2 F5 keys on my keyboard. >> Does anybody know why this would be the case? >> Thanks again for the help. >> >> Regards >> >> David Griffith >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Bob Hill >> Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 13:13 >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Re: Turning on the I-Mac >> >> Hi David, >> >> If you are facing the computer, take your left hand and reach around the >> back of the unit, at the bottom left corner. >> Maybe 3 inches from the bottom left corner you should find a round button >> almost flush with the back of the device. >> The button is concave. >> >> This is the power button. >> Hope that helps. >> >> Bob Hill >> >> On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:01 AM, David Griffith wrote: >> >>> Dear list >>> >>> Sorry for this most basic of questions. >>> >>> I have just taken delivery of my I-Mac. >>> I have connected the keyboard and plugged the mains but cannot feel where >>> the power on switch is. >>> There is a round smooth circle below the centre of the monitor but this >> does >>> not depress. Touching it or holding a finger down on it does not appear to >>> turn on the machine. >>> >>> Before I start trying to scan the manuals on my PC is there anybody who >> can >>> simply tell me how to turn the I-Mac on? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> David Griffith >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >> signature >>> database 6378 (20110815) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >> database 6379 (20110815) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >> database 6379 (20110815) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >> database 6379 (20110815) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 16:52:29 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:52:29 +0200 Subject: Gifting App Store applications In-Reply-To: References: <305F2725-A36B-42A0-B125-3A7C3AD83E0C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9FE4CA85-C92B-4E3A-B088-449CADB3020F@gmail.com> Hi Gordon, I'm wondering the same thing. I just went ahead and checked, and don't see a difference. You're supposed to be able to, though, or so it looks like. Regards, Nic On Aug 15, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Nic > > Nope, it's not there on ours. But I wonder if that appears post-purchase. > > Gordon > > On 15 Aug 2011, at 16:09, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > According to Apple's Terms of COnditions, you are supposed to gift App Store applications by clicking "Gift this app" in the Actions popup menu. However, I only have "Tell a friend" and "Copy Link." > > I've been looking around also, and several Mac sites seem to confirm that you can indeed gift App Store applications. Would anyone here mind checking if they can find this? Because, as far as I can see, I can't. > > Thank you. > > Regards, > Nic<--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 17:26:08 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:26:08 -0700 Subject: Gifting App Store applications In-Reply-To: <305F2725-A36B-42A0-B125-3A7C3AD83E0C@gmail.com> References: <305F2725-A36B-42A0-B125-3A7C3AD83E0C@gmail.com> Message-ID: OH it's there. You go to actions when you go to the app in the iTunes store and you can indeed gift them. I've done it once lol! Take care. On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi everyone, > > According to Apple's Terms of COnditions, you are supposed to gift App Store applications by clicking "Gift this app" in the Actions popup menu. However, I only have "Tell a friend" and "Copy Link." > > I've been looking around also, and several Mac sites seem to confirm that you can indeed gift App Store applications. Would anyone here mind checking if they can find this? Because, as far as I can see, I can't. > > Thank you. > > Regards, > Nic<--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 17:27:23 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:27:23 -0700 Subject: Gifting App Store applications In-Reply-To: References: <305F2725-A36B-42A0-B125-3A7C3AD83E0C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5F3BE470-BF16-4FC4-AFB0-6AFD547DC098@gmail.com> No it shouldn't. I perch aced an app for me and then I gifted it after I purchaces it for someone else afterwords. HOpe that makes sense. It should be after the buy button after you click the app's link name in the iTunes store in iTunes. Now, this is not in the mac app store. I wish it were. On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Nic > > Nope, it's not there on ours. But I wonder if that appears post-purchase. > > Gordon > > On 15 Aug 2011, at 16:09, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > According to Apple's Terms of COnditions, you are supposed to gift App Store applications by clicking "Gift this app" in the Actions popup menu. However, I only have "Tell a friend" and "Copy Link." > > I've been looking around also, and several Mac sites seem to confirm that you can indeed gift App Store applications. Would anyone here mind checking if they can find this? Because, as far as I can see, I can't. > > Thank you. > > Regards, > Nic<--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 17:28:25 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:28:25 +0200 Subject: Gifting App Store applications In-Reply-To: <5F3BE470-BF16-4FC4-AFB0-6AFD547DC098@gmail.com> References: <305F2725-A36B-42A0-B125-3A7C3AD83E0C@gmail.com> <5F3BE470-BF16-4FC4-AFB0-6AFD547DC098@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6CC28F29-4E15-4CCA-BD0F-13FF45D484D3@gmail.com> Hi, Sarah, I'm not talking about iTunes apps. I'm talking about Mac App Store. I made that pretty clear in the explanation itself. Regards, Nic On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > No it shouldn't. I perch aced an app for me and then I gifted it after I purchaces it for someone else afterwords. HOpe that makes sense. It should be after the buy button after you click the app's link name in the iTunes store in iTunes. > > Now, this is not in the mac app store. I wish it were. > On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Nic >> >> Nope, it's not there on ours. But I wonder if that appears post-purchase. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 15 Aug 2011, at 16:09, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> According to Apple's Terms of COnditions, you are supposed to gift App Store applications by clicking "Gift this app" in the Actions popup menu. However, I only have "Tell a friend" and "Copy Link." >> >> I've been looking around also, and several Mac sites seem to confirm that you can indeed gift App Store applications. Would anyone here mind checking if they can find this? Because, as far as I can see, I can't. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Regards, >> Nic<--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Aug 15 17:32:06 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:32:06 +0100 Subject: Gifting App Store applications In-Reply-To: <6CC28F29-4E15-4CCA-BD0F-13FF45D484D3@gmail.com> References: <305F2725-A36B-42A0-B125-3A7C3AD83E0C@gmail.com> <5F3BE470-BF16-4FC4-AFB0-6AFD547DC098@gmail.com> <6CC28F29-4E15-4CCA-BD0F-13FF45D484D3@gmail.com> Message-ID: You can gift apps within iTunes itself. On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:28, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > Sarah, I'm not talking about iTunes apps. I'm talking about Mac App Store. I made that pretty clear in the explanation itself. > > Regards, > Nic > On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> No it shouldn't. I perch aced an app for me and then I gifted it after I purchaces it for someone else afterwords. HOpe that makes sense. It should be after the buy button after you click the app's link name in the iTunes store in iTunes. >> >> Now, this is not in the mac app store. I wish it were. >> On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi Nic >>> >>> Nope, it's not there on ours. But I wonder if that appears post-purchase. >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 16:09, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> According to Apple's Terms of COnditions, you are supposed to gift App Store applications by clicking "Gift this app" in the Actions popup menu. However, I only have "Tell a friend" and "Copy Link." >>> >>> I've been looking around also, and several Mac sites seem to confirm that you can indeed gift App Store applications. Would anyone here mind checking if they can find this? Because, as far as I can see, I can't. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic<--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 17:33:41 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:33:41 +0200 Subject: Gifting App Store applications In-Reply-To: References: <305F2725-A36B-42A0-B125-3A7C3AD83E0C@gmail.com> <5F3BE470-BF16-4FC4-AFB0-6AFD547DC098@gmail.com> <6CC28F29-4E15-4CCA-BD0F-13FF45D484D3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <73D31577-5DEF-4B07-90C2-73A30958CFB9@gmail.com> Hi! Can you give Mac App Store apps from within iTunes? That's what I'm asking about, as made clear by my other message. I don't see them in there, at least. Regards, Nic On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > You can gift apps within iTunes itself. > On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:28, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Sarah, I'm not talking about iTunes apps. I'm talking about Mac App Store. I made that pretty clear in the explanation itself. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> No it shouldn't. I perch aced an app for me and then I gifted it after I purchaces it for someone else afterwords. HOpe that makes sense. It should be after the buy button after you click the app's link name in the iTunes store in iTunes. >>> >>> Now, this is not in the mac app store. I wish it were. >>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Nic >>>> >>>> Nope, it's not there on ours. But I wonder if that appears post-purchase. >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>> >>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 16:09, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> According to Apple's Terms of COnditions, you are supposed to gift App Store applications by clicking "Gift this app" in the Actions popup menu. However, I only have "Tell a friend" and "Copy Link." >>>> >>>> I've been looking around also, and several Mac sites seem to confirm that you can indeed gift App Store applications. Would anyone here mind checking if they can find this? Because, as far as I can see, I can't. >>>> >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic<--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Aug 15 17:43:51 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:43:51 +0100 Subject: Gifting App Store applications In-Reply-To: <73D31577-5DEF-4B07-90C2-73A30958CFB9@gmail.com> References: <305F2725-A36B-42A0-B125-3A7C3AD83E0C@gmail.com> <5F3BE470-BF16-4FC4-AFB0-6AFD547DC098@gmail.com> <6CC28F29-4E15-4CCA-BD0F-13FF45D484D3@gmail.com> <73D31577-5DEF-4B07-90C2-73A30958CFB9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42B083D8-426D-47B2-996F-EE156C669F02@blueyonder.co.uk> Yes of course. For example, if I type Numbers into the search box, then move to the heading for iphone app, and then interact with the Numbers group you will find the actions button. The first item in the pop up menu within actions is "gift this app". Chris On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:33, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > Can you give Mac App Store apps from within iTunes? That's what I'm asking about, as made clear by my other message. I don't see them in there, at least. > > Regards, > Nic > On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> You can gift apps within iTunes itself. >> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:28, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Sarah, I'm not talking about iTunes apps. I'm talking about Mac App Store. I made that pretty clear in the explanation itself. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> >>>> No it shouldn't. I perch aced an app for me and then I gifted it after I purchaces it for someone else afterwords. HOpe that makes sense. It should be after the buy button after you click the app's link name in the iTunes store in iTunes. >>>> >>>> Now, this is not in the mac app store. I wish it were. >>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Nic >>>>> >>>>> Nope, it's not there on ours. But I wonder if that appears post-purchase. >>>>> >>>>> Gordon >>>>> >>>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 16:09, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> According to Apple's Terms of COnditions, you are supposed to gift App Store applications by clicking "Gift this app" in the Actions popup menu. However, I only have "Tell a friend" and "Copy Link." >>>>> >>>>> I've been looking around also, and several Mac sites seem to confirm that you can indeed gift App Store applications. Would anyone here mind checking if they can find this? Because, as far as I can see, I can't. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic<--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 17:46:33 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:46:33 +0200 Subject: Gifting App Store applications In-Reply-To: <42B083D8-426D-47B2-996F-EE156C669F02@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <305F2725-A36B-42A0-B125-3A7C3AD83E0C@gmail.com> <5F3BE470-BF16-4FC4-AFB0-6AFD547DC098@gmail.com> <6CC28F29-4E15-4CCA-BD0F-13FF45D484D3@gmail.com> <73D31577-5DEF-4B07-90C2-73A30958CFB9@gmail.com> <42B083D8-426D-47B2-996F-EE156C669F02@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Chris, My apologies! I thought I'd written this to perfection, but it seems like I forgot to put the word "Mac" in there somehow. I actually was referring to Mac App Store application, and not iOS applications. The rest of the email still applies. Regards, Nic On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > Yes of course. For example, if I type Numbers into the search box, then move to the heading for iphone app, and then interact with the Numbers group you will find the actions button. The first item in the pop up menu within actions is "gift this app". > > Chris > On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:33, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> Can you give Mac App Store apps from within iTunes? That's what I'm asking about, as made clear by my other message. I don't see them in there, at least. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> You can gift apps within iTunes itself. >>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:28, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Sarah, I'm not talking about iTunes apps. I'm talking about Mac App Store. I made that pretty clear in the explanation itself. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic >>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>> >>>>> No it shouldn't. I perch aced an app for me and then I gifted it after I purchaces it for someone else afterwords. HOpe that makes sense. It should be after the buy button after you click the app's link name in the iTunes store in iTunes. >>>>> >>>>> Now, this is not in the mac app store. I wish it were. >>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Nic >>>>>> >>>>>> Nope, it's not there on ours. But I wonder if that appears post-purchase. >>>>>> >>>>>> Gordon >>>>>> >>>>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 16:09, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> According to Apple's Terms of COnditions, you are supposed to gift App Store applications by clicking "Gift this app" in the Actions popup menu. However, I only have "Tell a friend" and "Copy Link." >>>>>> >>>>>> I've been looking around also, and several Mac sites seem to confirm that you can indeed gift App Store applications. Would anyone here mind checking if they can find this? Because, as far as I can see, I can't. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Nic<--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 15 17:49:09 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:49:09 +0100 Subject: Gifting App Store applications In-Reply-To: <9FE4CA85-C92B-4E3A-B088-449CADB3020F@gmail.com> References: <305F2725-A36B-42A0-B125-3A7C3AD83E0C@gmail.com> <9FE4CA85-C92B-4E3A-B088-449CADB3020F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1151EE10-82A6-41D6-BE68-3265EEBAD9E0@mac-access.net> Hi Nic When she gets back I'll ask Lynne to check to see if there's an option which isn't, for some reason, being exposed to VoiceOver. Gordon On 15 Aug 2011, at 16:52, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: I'm wondering the same thing. I just went ahead and checked, and don't see a difference. You're supposed to be able to, though, or so it looks like. From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Aug 15 17:54:57 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 17:54:57 +0100 Subject: Gifting App Store applications In-Reply-To: References: <305F2725-A36B-42A0-B125-3A7C3AD83E0C@gmail.com> <5F3BE470-BF16-4FC4-AFB0-6AFD547DC098@gmail.com> <6CC28F29-4E15-4CCA-BD0F-13FF45D484D3@gmail.com> <73D31577-5DEF-4B07-90C2-73A30958CFB9@gmail.com> <42B083D8-426D-47B2-996F-EE156C669F02@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Actually, it is me that should apologise, you did make it clear and I still thought iOS. Sorry I have brain fog and recovering from flu. Indeed you are correct, there does not seem a way to gift apps within the Mac app store. Just noticed BBEdit is in there though, so might treat myself :) Actually I was going to gift Lion to my brother, but guess I won't be able to do that now! I will drop feedback to Apple about this. Chris On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:46, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi Chris, > > My apologies! > > I thought I'd written this to perfection, but it seems like I forgot to put the word "Mac" in there somehow. I actually was referring to Mac App Store application, and not iOS applications. > > The rest of the email still applies. > > Regards, > Nic > On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Yes of course. For example, if I type Numbers into the search box, then move to the heading for iphone app, and then interact with the Numbers group you will find the actions button. The first item in the pop up menu within actions is "gift this app". >> >> Chris >> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:33, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> Can you give Mac App Store apps from within iTunes? That's what I'm asking about, as made clear by my other message. I don't see them in there, at least. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>>> You can gift apps within iTunes itself. >>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:28, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Sarah, I'm not talking about iTunes apps. I'm talking about Mac App Store. I made that pretty clear in the explanation itself. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic >>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> No it shouldn't. I perch aced an app for me and then I gifted it after I purchaces it for someone else afterwords. HOpe that makes sense. It should be after the buy button after you click the app's link name in the iTunes store in iTunes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, this is not in the mac app store. I wish it were. >>>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Nic >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Nope, it's not there on ours. But I wonder if that appears post-purchase. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gordon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 16:09, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> According to Apple's Terms of COnditions, you are supposed to gift App Store applications by clicking "Gift this app" in the Actions popup menu. However, I only have "Tell a friend" and "Copy Link." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've been looking around also, and several Mac sites seem to confirm that you can indeed gift App Store applications. Would anyone here mind checking if they can find this? Because, as far as I can see, I can't. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Nic<--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Mon Aug 15 17:55:11 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:55:11 -0400 Subject: Rerouting audio inputs on a Mac Mini References: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2D9C@mail.mail.breezes.local> <837FC7E7-3F6D-4345-8A82-049F3AA1E9C0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Gordon: I hate to be a bauther but, again, I can't read your response to the persons query. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 10:16 AM Subject: Re: Rerouting audio inputs on a Mac Mini > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 17:56:37 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:56:37 +0200 Subject: Gifting App Store applications In-Reply-To: References: <305F2725-A36B-42A0-B125-3A7C3AD83E0C@gmail.com> <5F3BE470-BF16-4FC4-AFB0-6AFD547DC098@gmail.com> <6CC28F29-4E15-4CCA-BD0F-13FF45D484D3@gmail.com> <73D31577-5DEF-4B07-90C2-73A30958CFB9@gmail.com> <42B083D8-426D-47B2-996F-EE156C669F02@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <3F96EDCB-CE92-4EFD-AEEC-71B48F5B8EAA@gmail.com> Hi Chris, Well, some sites claim that you can indeed gift app store applications, and even the Terms of Conditions state that you can do this via the Mac App Store. So, it's kind of odd. Regards, Nic On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:54 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > Actually, it is me that should apologise, you did make it clear and I still thought iOS. Sorry I have brain fog and recovering from flu. > > Indeed you are correct, there does not seem a way to gift apps within the Mac app store. Just noticed BBEdit is in there though, so might treat myself :) > > Actually I was going to gift Lion to my brother, but guess I won't be able to do that now! > > I will drop feedback to Apple about this. > > Chris > On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:46, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi Chris, >> >> My apologies! >> >> I thought I'd written this to perfection, but it seems like I forgot to put the word "Mac" in there somehow. I actually was referring to Mac App Store application, and not iOS applications. >> >> The rest of the email still applies. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Yes of course. For example, if I type Numbers into the search box, then move to the heading for iphone app, and then interact with the Numbers group you will find the actions button. The first item in the pop up menu within actions is "gift this app". >>> >>> Chris >>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:33, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> Can you give Mac App Store apps from within iTunes? That's what I'm asking about, as made clear by my other message. I don't see them in there, at least. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic >>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>> >>>>> You can gift apps within iTunes itself. >>>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:28, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Sarah, I'm not talking about iTunes apps. I'm talking about Mac App Store. I made that pretty clear in the explanation itself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Nic >>>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> No it shouldn't. I perch aced an app for me and then I gifted it after I purchaces it for someone else afterwords. HOpe that makes sense. It should be after the buy button after you click the app's link name in the iTunes store in iTunes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now, this is not in the mac app store. I wish it were. >>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Nic >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nope, it's not there on ours. But I wonder if that appears post-purchase. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Gordon >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 16:09, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> According to Apple's Terms of COnditions, you are supposed to gift App Store applications by clicking "Gift this app" in the Actions popup menu. However, I only have "Tell a friend" and "Copy Link." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've been looking around also, and several Mac sites seem to confirm that you can indeed gift App Store applications. Would anyone here mind checking if they can find this? Because, as far as I can see, I can't. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Nic<--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 15 18:08:24 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:08:24 +0100 Subject: Rerouting audio inputs on a Mac Mini In-Reply-To: References: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2D9C@mail.mail.breezes.local> <837FC7E7-3F6D-4345-8A82-049F3AA1E9C0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <13AA82E2-C9A2-43A1-8534-727E6E6ED0A0@mac-access.net> Hi Jim I really really wish all email clients were created equal! Windows should be banned! What I was suggesting was look at the Griffin iMac. It's easy to install, easy to use and very good quality. Gordon On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:55, Jim Noseworthy wrote: Hi Gordon: I hate to be a bauther but, again, I can't read your response to the persons query. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 10:16 AM Subject: Re: Rerouting audio inputs on a Mac Mini > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 18:16:24 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 10:16:24 -0700 Subject: Gifting App Store applications In-Reply-To: <73D31577-5DEF-4B07-90C2-73A30958CFB9@gmail.com> References: <305F2725-A36B-42A0-B125-3A7C3AD83E0C@gmail.com> <5F3BE470-BF16-4FC4-AFB0-6AFD547DC098@gmail.com> <6CC28F29-4E15-4CCA-BD0F-13FF45D484D3@gmail.com> <73D31577-5DEF-4B07-90C2-73A30958CFB9@gmail.com> Message-ID: No you cannot. I wish it were possible though. On Aug 15, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > Can you give Mac App Store apps from within iTunes? That's what I'm asking about, as made clear by my other message. I don't see them in there, at least. > > Regards, > Nic > On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> You can gift apps within iTunes itself. >> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:28, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Sarah, I'm not talking about iTunes apps. I'm talking about Mac App Store. I made that pretty clear in the explanation itself. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> >>>> No it shouldn't. I perch aced an app for me and then I gifted it after I purchaces it for someone else afterwords. HOpe that makes sense. It should be after the buy button after you click the app's link name in the iTunes store in iTunes. >>>> >>>> Now, this is not in the mac app store. I wish it were. >>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Nic >>>>> >>>>> Nope, it's not there on ours. But I wonder if that appears post-purchase. >>>>> >>>>> Gordon >>>>> >>>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 16:09, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> According to Apple's Terms of COnditions, you are supposed to gift App Store applications by clicking "Gift this app" in the Actions popup menu. However, I only have "Tell a friend" and "Copy Link." >>>>> >>>>> I've been looking around also, and several Mac sites seem to confirm that you can indeed gift App Store applications. Would anyone here mind checking if they can find this? Because, as far as I can see, I can't. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic<--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 19:23:24 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:23:24 -0500 Subject: Reading Gordon and Nicolai's emails -> Rerouting audio inputs on a Mac Mini References: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2D9C@mail.mail.breezes.local><837FC7E7-3F6D-4345-8A82-049F3AA1E9C0@mac-access.net> <13AA82E2-C9A2-43A1-8534-727E6E6ED0A0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Greetings Jim and others, Nicolai seemed to have this fixed for a while. To read Nic's emails and some from Gordon in MSOE, you'll need to open the attachment in notepad. HTH. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon Smith To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: Rerouting audio inputs on a Mac Mini Hi Jim I really really wish all email clients were created equal! Windows should be banned! What I was suggesting was look at the Griffin iMac. It's easy to install, easy to use and very good quality. Gordon On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:55, Jim Noseworthy wrote: Hi Gordon: I hate to be a bauther but, again, I can't read your response to the persons query. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 10:16 AM Subject: Re: Rerouting audio inputs on a Mac Mini > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From support at mac-access.net Mon Aug 15 19:46:14 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:46:14 +0100 Subject: Essential System Maintenance; Please REad Message-ID: Hello everybody In the early hours (UTC) of either Tuesday morning, 16 August 2011 or Wednesday morning, 17 August 2011, we will need to perform some essential system maintenance. This will involve taking all services down on the primary server temporarily. We are going to try and schedule this for the least inconvenient time possible. But of course, we can't please everybody. So in advance of this work we apologise for any inconvenience. We will do our best to ensure that the outage is as brief as possible. Lynne ------------------------------ Gordon & Lynne Smith, ------------------------------ From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 15 19:50:12 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 19:50:12 +0100 Subject: Reading Gordon and Nicolai's emails -> Rerouting audio inputs on a Mac Mini In-Reply-To: References: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2D9C@mail.mail.breezes.local><837FC7E7-3F6D-4345-8A82-049F3AA1E9C0@mac-access.net> <13AA82E2-C9A2-43A1-8534-727E6E6ED0A0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Geoff The problem seems to be Outlook Expres. It can't handle the mime type which is used for digital signatures so it simply splits the messages into attachments. I gather that other versions of Outlook and even the new Windows Mail don't suffer from this problem. Outlook was released before these were in use and hasn't been updated in a while. I don't want to get into a discussion on Outlook since it's off topic, but I wanted to try and explain the reasons to you. Gordon On 15 Aug 2011, at 19:23, Geoff Waaler wrote: Greetings Jim and others, Nicolai seemed to have this fixed for a while. To read Nic's emails and some from Gordon in MSOE, you'll need to open the attachment in notepad. HTH. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Gordon Smith To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: Rerouting audio inputs on a Mac Mini Hi Jim I really really wish all email clients were created equal! Windows should be banned! What I was suggesting was look at the Griffin iMac. It's easy to install, easy to use and very good quality. Gordon On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:55, Jim Noseworthy wrote: Hi Gordon: I hate to be a bauther but, again, I can't read your response to the persons query. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 10:16 AM Subject: Re: Rerouting audio inputs on a Mac Mini > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 21:03:15 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 13:03:15 -0700 Subject: Essential System Maintenance; Please REad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2954D8B4-0157-4B44-B8BD-33CA78295B89@gmail.com> I normallly don't reply to these but I want to publicly thank you guys for letting us know about these updates and to let us know what we will expect if we attempt to send a message to the list at that time. Thanks much for everything. Be blessed. On Aug 15, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Gordon & Lynne Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > In the early hours (UTC) of either Tuesday morning, 16 August 2011 or Wednesday morning, 17 August 2011, we will need to perform some essential system maintenance. This will involve taking all services down on the primary server temporarily. We are going to try and schedule this for the least inconvenient time possible. But of course, we can't please everybody. So in advance of this work we apologise for any inconvenience. We will do our best to ensure that the outage is as brief as possible. > > Lynne > > > ------------------------------ > > Gordon & Lynne Smith, > > ------------------------------ > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Aug 15 21:05:36 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 21:05:36 +0100 Subject: Essential System Maintenance; Please REad In-Reply-To: <2954D8B4-0157-4B44-B8BD-33CA78295B89@gmail.com> References: <2954D8B4-0157-4B44-B8BD-33CA78295B89@gmail.com> Message-ID: <17DA1D83-C778-493E-9ABE-28640E9B3D78@mac-access.net> Hello Sarah If you respond or post to the group when the service is off line it won't bounce. It will go to our backup MX and be delivered when the primary mail server comes back on stream. Lynne On 15 Aug 2011, at 21:03, Sarah Alawami wrote: I normallly don't reply to these but I want to publicly thank you guys for letting us know about these updates and to let us know what we will expect if we attempt to send a message to the list at that time. Thanks much for everything. Be blessed. On Aug 15, 2011, at 11:46 AM, Gordon & Lynne Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > In the early hours (UTC) of either Tuesday morning, 16 August 2011 or Wednesday morning, 17 August 2011, we will need to perform some essential system maintenance. This will involve taking all services down on the primary server temporarily. We are going to try and schedule this for the least inconvenient time possible. But of course, we can't please everybody. So in advance of this work we apologise for any inconvenience. We will do our best to ensure that the outage is as brief as possible. > > Lynne > > > ------------------------------ > > Gordon & Lynne Smith, > > ------------------------------ > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From ron.mcewan at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 21:25:08 2011 From: ron.mcewan at gmail.com (Ronald McEwan) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 14:25:08 -0600 Subject: adding people to a group in address book Message-ID: <7CC85F54-8043-4BB4-A9B9-43A7E586B9D3@gmail.com> I cannot determine how to add people to a group in address book. Any help is greatly appreciated. In the Journey, Ron From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon Aug 15 21:41:02 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:41:02 -0400 Subject: Man page entries sent to TextEdit or Preview [was Re: Terminal Query] In-Reply-To: <6C8B79B6-700E-43AC-97F8-C3831920D314@mac.com> References: <12B13227-0605-42AB-98EE-33E43E5BA72B@mac-access.net> <2A7FD1C4-0747-4043-B70C-9096A9C61F17@mac.com> <2531D3EC-8270-4C3E-88A7-84CC7F21ECCB@mac-access.net> <6C8B79B6-700E-43AC-97F8-C3831920D314@mac.com> Message-ID: Excellent post Esther. I've never tried redirecting man pages to preview, though I have dumped them to the printer. There's a program I use that allows me to go to safari, and type man://man (for example) and it feeds the man output into safari directly. It's called bwana, and can be found at: http://bruji.com/bwana/ It's pretty simple to setup, and I don't think I've ever had a problem with it. There's other methods to do this too, such as man server, html2man, and various other methods that turned up when I was googling to locate the source for bwana, but I think bwana is the simplest method (imo). If anyone has trouble, I'll be more than willing to assist, I've been using it for years, so should be able to help with most issues that crop up. hth. From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon Aug 15 21:51:51 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:51:51 -0400 Subject: Rerouting audio inputs on a Mac Mini In-Reply-To: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2D9C@mail.mail.breezes.local> References: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2D9C@mail.mail.breezes.local> Message-ID: As far as I know, there is no limit to the number of audio devices that can be connected. Once you have them connected, assuming they're all recognized by the mac as output devices, you can switch between them as often as you like from system preferences. If however, you just want to mix the output, and record them all for a podcast or something, you can try the excellent app called hijack audio pro, from Rogue amoeba located at: http://rogueamoeba.com/ They have other software that may be of interest to you as well. hhth. From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon Aug 15 21:58:41 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:58:41 -0400 Subject: Terminal Query In-Reply-To: <2531D3EC-8270-4C3E-88A7-84CC7F21ECCB@mac-access.net> References: <12B13227-0605-42AB-98EE-33E43E5BA72B@mac-access.net> <2A7FD1C4-0747-4043-B70C-9096A9C61F17@mac.com> <2531D3EC-8270-4C3E-88A7-84CC7F21ECCB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: On Aug 15, 2011, at 7:43 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > But what she's trying to do is to get an output form the external > command "/usr/bin/certtool". > > It's unfortunate that this has to be such a messy issue. You'd > think that you could simply dump it to a text file. You can do this, but the text output isn't always all that usable, because of overstrikes, bolding, and the like that the man program does, often by printing multiple characters on the same place on the terminal screen. However, in a pinch, it does work. Simply type: man command>outputfile and the man page for the command will be placed in the outputfile. As I said, it's not pretty most of the time, but it does work. Esther's suggestion of dumping it to preview would work better, since it would know how to handle the bold/overstrike/what have you, and would produce a much cleaner output, which you could then copy and paste into text edit if you really wanted a plain text version. hth. From skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 22:04:43 2011 From: skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com (Kliph&Sharrie) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 16:04:43 -0500 Subject: adding people to a group in address book In-Reply-To: <7CC85F54-8043-4BB4-A9B9-43A7E586B9D3@gmail.com> References: <7CC85F54-8043-4BB4-A9B9-43A7E586B9D3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <708A4799-48BF-4BC0-BC87-3377628BBCD8@gmail.com> It's pretty easy once you get the hang of it. What you do is create the group, then you basically have to copy and paste people in to it from your all people list, or cards. So just inter act with your name list, and drop them in to your group. And the address book will use the most resent address that you emailed that person too. HTH Kliphton SR (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians On Aug 15, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Ronald McEwan wrote: > I cannot determine how to add people to a group in address book. Any help is greatly appreciated. > > > > In the Journey, > > Ron > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Mon Aug 15 18:27:14 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:27:14 +0100 Subject: Gifting App Store applications In-Reply-To: <3F96EDCB-CE92-4EFD-AEEC-71B48F5B8EAA@gmail.com> References: <305F2725-A36B-42A0-B125-3A7C3AD83E0C@gmail.com> <5F3BE470-BF16-4FC4-AFB0-6AFD547DC098@gmail.com> <6CC28F29-4E15-4CCA-BD0F-13FF45D484D3@gmail.com> <73D31577-5DEF-4B07-90C2-73A30958CFB9@gmail.com> <42B083D8-426D-47B2-996F-EE156C669F02@blueyonder.co.uk> <3F96EDCB-CE92-4EFD-AEEC-71B48F5B8EAA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9FFF906A-A24D-4E0D-A14D-7CAE22101E53@virginmedia.com> Hi all! Just in case someone might have been wondering! It's the same in SL no gifting! I also looked through the help area and there was no mention of gifting anywhere! So it looks like [if it cannot be done] those place's saying you can gift might have the wrong impression! Colin On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:56, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Well, some sites claim that you can indeed gift app store applications, and even the Terms of Conditions state that you can do this via the Mac App Store. > > So, it's kind of odd. > > Regards, > Nic > On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:54 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Actually, it is me that should apologise, you did make it clear and I still thought iOS. Sorry I have brain fog and recovering from flu. >> >> Indeed you are correct, there does not seem a way to gift apps within the Mac app store. Just noticed BBEdit is in there though, so might treat myself :) >> >> Actually I was going to gift Lion to my brother, but guess I won't be able to do that now! >> >> I will drop feedback to Apple about this. >> >> Chris >> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:46, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi Chris, >>> >>> My apologies! >>> >>> I thought I'd written this to perfection, but it seems like I forgot to put the word "Mac" in there somehow. I actually was referring to Mac App Store application, and not iOS applications. >>> >>> The rest of the email still applies. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>>> Yes of course. For example, if I type Numbers into the search box, then move to the heading for iphone app, and then interact with the Numbers group you will find the actions button. The first item in the pop up menu within actions is "gift this app". >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:33, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> >>>>> Can you give Mac App Store apps from within iTunes? That's what I'm asking about, as made clear by my other message. I don't see them in there, at least. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic >>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> You can gift apps within iTunes itself. >>>>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:28, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sarah, I'm not talking about iTunes apps. I'm talking about Mac App Store. I made that pretty clear in the explanation itself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No it shouldn't. I perch aced an app for me and then I gifted it after I purchases it for someone else afterwords. HOpe that makes sense. It should be after the buy button after you click the app's link name in the iTunes store in iTunes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now, this is not in the mac app store. I wish it were. >>>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Nic >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nope, it's not there on ours. But I wonder if that appears post-purchase. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gordon >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 16:09, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> According to Apple's Terms of COnditions, you are supposed to gift App Store applications by clicking "Gift this app" in the Actions popup menu. However, I only have "Tell a friend" and "Copy Link." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've been looking around also, and several Mac sites seem to confirm that you can indeed gift App Store applications. Would anyone here mind checking if they can find this? Because, as far as I can see, I can't. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Nic<--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 22:30:56 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:30:56 +0200 Subject: Gifting App Store applications In-Reply-To: <9FFF906A-A24D-4E0D-A14D-7CAE22101E53@virginmedia.com> References: <305F2725-A36B-42A0-B125-3A7C3AD83E0C@gmail.com> <5F3BE470-BF16-4FC4-AFB0-6AFD547DC098@gmail.com> <6CC28F29-4E15-4CCA-BD0F-13FF45D484D3@gmail.com> <73D31577-5DEF-4B07-90C2-73A30958CFB9@gmail.com> <42B083D8-426D-47B2-996F-EE156C669F02@blueyonder.co.uk> <3F96EDCB-CE92-4EFD-AEEC-71B48F5B8EAA@gmail.com> <9FFF906A-A24D-4E0D-A14D-7CAE22101E53@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <379114A2-A54C-4092-8249-C6F90177D6B9@gmail.com> Hi! Well, try skimming through the Terms and Conditions. In the Danish terms, it mentions that you can gift applications in the Mac App Store. Regards, Nic On Aug 15, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi all! > Just in case someone might have been wondering! > It's the same in SL no gifting! > I also looked through the help area and there was no mention of gifting anywhere! > So it looks like [if it cannot be done] those place's saying you can gift might have the wrong impression! > Colin > > On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:56, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi Chris, >> >> Well, some sites claim that you can indeed gift app store applications, and even the Terms of Conditions state that you can do this via the Mac App Store. >> >> So, it's kind of odd. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:54 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Actually, it is me that should apologise, you did make it clear and I still thought iOS. Sorry I have brain fog and recovering from flu. >>> >>> Indeed you are correct, there does not seem a way to gift apps within the Mac app store. Just noticed BBEdit is in there though, so might treat myself :) >>> >>> Actually I was going to gift Lion to my brother, but guess I won't be able to do that now! >>> >>> I will drop feedback to Apple about this. >>> >>> Chris >>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:46, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Chris, >>>> >>>> My apologies! >>>> >>>> I thought I'd written this to perfection, but it seems like I forgot to put the word "Mac" in there somehow. I actually was referring to Mac App Store application, and not iOS applications. >>>> >>>> The rest of the email still applies. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic >>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes of course. For example, if I type Numbers into the search box, then move to the heading for iphone app, and then interact with the Numbers group you will find the actions button. The first item in the pop up menu within actions is "gift this app". >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:33, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi! >>>>>> >>>>>> Can you give Mac App Store apps from within iTunes? That's what I'm asking about, as made clear by my other message. I don't see them in there, at least. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Nic >>>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> You can gift apps within iTunes itself. >>>>>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:28, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sarah, I'm not talking about iTunes apps. I'm talking about Mac App Store. I made that pretty clear in the explanation itself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No it shouldn't. I perch aced an app for me and then I gifted it after I purchases it for someone else afterwords. HOpe that makes sense. It should be after the buy button after you click the app's link name in the iTunes store in iTunes. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, this is not in the mac app store. I wish it were. >>>>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Nic >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nope, it's not there on ours. But I wonder if that appears post-purchase. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gordon >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 16:09, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> According to Apple's Terms of COnditions, you are supposed to gift App Store applications by clicking "Gift this app" in the Actions popup menu. However, I only have "Tell a friend" and "Copy Link." >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've been looking around also, and several Mac sites seem to confirm that you can indeed gift App Store applications. Would anyone here mind checking if they can find this? Because, as far as I can see, I can't. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> Nic<--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From Frank.Ventura at littlebreezes.com Mon Aug 15 23:06:08 2011 From: Frank.Ventura at littlebreezes.com (Frank Ventura) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:06:08 -0400 Subject: Rerouting audio inputs on a Mac Mini In-Reply-To: <837FC7E7-3F6D-4345-8A82-049F3AA1E9C0@mac-access.net> References: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2D9C@mail.mail.breezes.local> <837FC7E7-3F6D-4345-8A82-049F3AA1E9C0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2DA1@mail.mail.breezes.local> Thanks, is there an easy means of changing audio sources other then going into systems preferences and then going to audio and chaing it thtere? Thanks again Frank -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 10:16 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Rerouting audio inputs on a Mac Mini Hi Frank yes, this is very easy. I recommend the Griffin iMic which just plugs in and works. Gordon On 15 Aug 2011, at 14:03, Frank Ventura wrote: Hello all, I would like to know if there is a means or a piece of software to take input from several USb sound cards attached to a Mac and route it to another audio device (probably another USB sound card) for output? For example if I had three USB sound cards attached, each with an audio input is there some means of switching from one to another and routing that selection to another sound card for output? Also is there a limit to the number of USB sound devices attached? Thanks Frank <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From Frank.Ventura at littlebreezes.com Mon Aug 15 23:07:16 2011 From: Frank.Ventura at littlebreezes.com (Frank Ventura) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:07:16 -0400 Subject: Mobile Communications In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2DA2@mail.mail.breezes.local> You need to enable tethering in settings on the IPhone. Depending upon who you use for a cell carrier you may have to pay extra. Frank -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 10:28 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Mobile Communications Hi all i seem to remember reading somewhere that you can now use your iPhone/ipad as a modem and use your Mac when mobile. Is this right? If so, how is it accomplished? Gordon From Frank.Ventura at littlebreezes.com Mon Aug 15 23:12:33 2011 From: Frank.Ventura at littlebreezes.com (Frank Ventura) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:12:33 -0400 Subject: Rerouting audio inputs on a Mac Mini In-Reply-To: References: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2D9C@mail.mail.breezes.local> Message-ID: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2DA3@mail.mail.breezes.local> Thanks, can I easily change between inputs with Audio Hijack Pro and send the output to another USB sound card for output? Thanks Frank -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 4:52 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Rerouting audio inputs on a Mac Mini As far as I know, there is no limit to the number of audio devices that can be connected. Once you have them connected, assuming they're all recognized by the mac as output devices, you can switch between them as often as you like from system preferences. If however, you just want to mix the output, and record them all for a podcast or something, you can try the excellent app called hijack audio pro, from Rogue amoeba located at: http://rogueamoeba.com/ They have other software that may be of interest to you as well. hhth. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From n0oxy at charter.net Tue Aug 16 00:44:00 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:44:00 -0500 Subject: Turning on the I-Mac In-Reply-To: <4AB4A7E05B1C48399CB274BF36BDC491@6ffd52c138504d6> References: <643459DA8B424FE8883D68E27EC971A3@6ffd52c138504d6> <4940F9F7-EEDC-43E2-B5BD-C041287A0E6C@gmail.com> <4AB4A7E05B1C48399CB274BF36BDC491@6ffd52c138504d6> Message-ID: Welcome to the world of the mac. First, go ahead and complete the mac set up if you have not already done so, you will not be able to get in to voice over utility until you get to the desktop. If you know where the function key is, you can hold it along with control option F8 to get to the voiceover utility. Otherwise, open system preferences, it's in the apple menu and choose keyboard. There is an option there to use the function keys as standard keys, check that and you should be good to go. On Aug 15, 2011, at 9:09 AM, David Griffith wrote: > Thanks for all the help. > > I am up an running now. > The Mac is so much quieter than my old rattling PC it may even cause my wife > to forgive how much I have spent on it. Some things are ridiculously easy. > Getting online was a breeze compared to the blood sweat and tears I have had > to exert on PCs over the years. > There is still obviously a learning curve. > A few initial queries. > My I-Mac shipped with Daniel as the default voice. > I think I would prefer Alex, at least for typing echo. > I have gone into voice properties by pressing VO command and right arrow but > I cannot change from Daniel in these properties. Any comments? > I cannot get into voiceover utility so it looks like I need to change the > function key setting in system preferences but I am getting a little lost in > these at the moment. I am trying to dig up a podcast where I am sure that > this is described in system preferences. > The final oddity at the moment is that there are 2 F5 keys on my keyboard. > Does anybody know why this would be the case? > Thanks again for the help. > > Regards > > David Griffith > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Bob Hill > Sent: Monday, 15 August 2011 13:13 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Turning on the I-Mac > > Hi David, > > If you are facing the computer, take your left hand and reach around the > back of the unit, at the bottom left corner. > Maybe 3 inches from the bottom left corner you should find a round button > almost flush with the back of the device. > The button is concave. > > This is the power button. > Hope that helps. > > Bob Hill > > On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:01 AM, David Griffith wrote: > >> Dear list >> >> Sorry for this most basic of questions. >> >> I have just taken delivery of my I-Mac. >> I have connected the keyboard and plugged the mains but cannot feel where >> the power on switch is. >> There is a round smooth circle below the centre of the monitor but this > does >> not depress. Touching it or holding a finger down on it does not appear to >> turn on the machine. >> >> Before I start trying to scan the manuals on my PC is there anybody who > can >> simply tell me how to turn the I-Mac on? >> >> Regards >> >> David Griffith >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature >> database 6378 (20110815) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6379 (20110815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6379 (20110815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6379 (20110815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Tue Aug 16 02:55:48 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:55:48 -0700 Subject: Public Radio Player on iPod Touch Message-ID: <0F61E249-864B-43DC-97CC-5B3B15CD4540@q.com> Hi, Is anyone using the Public Radio Player App on their iPhone or iPod Touch? It's a free App which accesses all of the National Public Radio stations here in the U.S. I've been able to listen to stations using it, but there's a Favorites button, that when I press it, I can't tell whether any of my favorites have been stored or not. And, if they have, I'm not sure how or where to find them. Any ideas would be most appreciated! Desi From desiandcandy at q.com Tue Aug 16 04:12:22 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 20:12:22 -0700 Subject: Saving Documents as .txt files in Text Edit Message-ID: My subject line says it all! I'm trying to figure out how to save files as plain text or .txt files using Text Edit on my iMac. I don't see that option in the save as dialog. I understand it can be done though. Can anyone tell me how? Thanks! Desi From juanitatighan at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 04:43:46 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 23:43:46 -0400 Subject: Saving Documents as .txt files in Text Edit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19FA4C23-341A-4683-8398-469374D54F8E@gmail.com> Hi there. Selece all your text in the document and hit command-shift-t. That will convert to plain text. Then save as, then make sure the file has the right name you want and put .txt on the end. Jane On Aug 15, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > My subject line says it all! I'm trying to figure out how to save files as plain text or .txt files using Text Edit on my iMac. I don't see that option in the save as dialog. I understand it can be done though. Can anyone tell me how? > > Thanks! > > Desi > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From e.zwicker at sympatico.ca Tue Aug 16 07:51:26 2011 From: e.zwicker at sympatico.ca (Earle) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 02:51:26 -0400 Subject: Great Customer Service Message-ID: I just had to tell you all about a great experience that I had with Lynne and Gordon. I've purchased several of the Take Control books and I wanted to download a few of them on Friday night. All was going well until I discovered I couldn't login to my bookshelf. I tried everything I could think of including having my username and password resent to me. I was fairly sure that wasn't the problem but I wanted to explore all possibilities before contacting them. So I sent off an email and heard back from them fairly promptly. They gave me a couple of things to try and unfortunately they didn't work either. I wrote back again and was told that everything seemed fine on their end and they weren't sure what was going on. I was assured that Gordon would look into it and they would get back as soon as they could. This was late Friday night my time so I thought I wouldn't hear anything until Monday. I was pleasantly surprised to get an email Saturday morning telling me to try again because they thought the problem was fixed. Sure enough it was. I was able to login and have complete access to my bookshelf once again. I encourage anyone who has been thinking about purchasing any of the Take Control books to do so. They are an excellent resource and one that I personally wouldn't want to do without. Lynne and Gordon really know how to do things right. You will receive nothing but professional customer service from the beginning of the ordering process and even if something goes wrong down the road you will be given the best service possible. This experience has really restored my confidence that we can still get good customer service from companies. I'll be recommending Lynne and Gordon to everyone I know. Thanks for the great work and I look forward to doing business with you again in the future. ---------- Earle Msn: peterson_33 at sympatico.ca Skype, Twitter, Facebook, and Yahoo: rowdyamerican Aim: rowdyamerican28 From michaelandjeanie at aapt.net.au Tue Aug 16 08:05:18 2011 From: michaelandjeanie at aapt.net.au (Michael Fridey) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:05:18 +1000 Subject: lion question Message-ID: <3ED59C82-67BE-4015-824D-653FAA44EF34@aapt.net.au> Hi guys has anyone since installing os 10 lion wen your first boot up I get voiceover say apple . com exktra's. Not sure why and I was playing a podcast and voiceover lost all focus and did not want to respond. I had to forse a restart anyone else had the same program. Regards Michael. From melissah at fuse.net Tue Aug 16 12:04:52 2011 From: melissah at fuse.net (Missy Hoppe) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:04:52 -0400 Subject: lion question In-Reply-To: <3ED59C82-67BE-4015-824D-653FAA44EF34@aapt.net.au> References: <3ED59C82-67BE-4015-824D-653FAA44EF34@aapt.net.au> Message-ID: <3C0E5CFA11FE4AB484426F1542F91C9F@HOPPE1> Ah yes! The com.apple.doc.extra thing! All you have to do is command-tab and it goes away, but it was one of the reasons I chose to go back to SL for now. I was experiencing other issues with Lion, so it's not the only reason I downgraded, but I must confess it was a fairly significant part of my decision to downgrade. If you haven't done so yet, please reporte it to accessibility at apple.com. I got a message from them saying that they are aware of the problem, but no estimated date of it being fixed was given. So, my thinking is that if people keep reporting it, it might motivate them to fix it sooner. I still have an external drive that can boot into lion, and every few days, I check for updates in hopes that some things have been fixed, but so far, there hasn't been anything. Anyway, I hope this helps, and that you're having a great day! Missy -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Michael Fridey Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:05 AM To: mac help email list email list Subject: lion question Hi guys has anyone since installing os 10 lion wen your first boot up I get voiceover say apple . com exktra's. Not sure why and I was playing a podcast and voiceover lost all focus and did not want to respond. I had to forse a restart anyone else had the same program. Regards Michael. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Tue Aug 16 12:59:54 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:59:54 +0100 Subject: Terminal Query In-Reply-To: References: <12B13227-0605-42AB-98EE-33E43E5BA72B@mac-access.net> <2A7FD1C4-0747-4043-B70C-9096A9C61F17@mac.com> <2531D3EC-8270-4C3E-88A7-84CC7F21ECCB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9939DEE6-9421-4055-8A1A-BA4E6A74608C@mac-access.net> Hi Travis This is actually quite outdated now, but we did download Bwana as Esther also mentioned it in her post. I will get it installed shortly but the specific part of this particular man page which gives me the info I need is horribly difficult to understand. On 15 Aug 2011, at 21:58, Travis Siegel wrote: You can do this, but the text output isn't always all that usable, because of overstrikes, bolding, and the like that the man program does, often by printing multiple characters on the same place on the terminal screen. However, in a pinch, it does work. Simply type: man command>outputfile and the man page for the command will be placed in the outputfile. As I said, it's not pretty most of the time, but it does work. Esther's suggestion of dumping it to preview would work better, since it would know how to handle the bold/overstrike/what have you, and would produce a much cleaner output, which you could then copy and paste into text edit if you really wanted a plain text version. hth. From smur7241 at bigpond.net.au Tue Aug 16 13:07:39 2011 From: smur7241 at bigpond.net.au (Sean Murphy) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:07:39 +1000 Subject: VMWare on the Mac Message-ID: Hi All. I have got VMWare fusion installed with a WinXp image. The image has Jaws for Windows also installed. What I need to know is how you do the following: 1. Stop the MAC from using the CAP-locks key? This is because Jaws in laptop keyboard layout uses this key by default. 2. How do you make VMWare to except all keystrokes within the guess environment? command G places the focus into the environment. 3. HOw do you get the insert or num-lock key? I have managed to get a work around by using an external keyboard from my MacBook Pro series 5, 5. Any other tips are welcomed. Sean From gordon at mac-access.net Tue Aug 16 13:18:57 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 13:18:57 +0100 Subject: VMWare on the Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sean You need to go into system Preferences > Keyboard and look on the Short Cuts tab? Also I think you can stop it from using modifier keys such as the caps lock. Gordon On 16 Aug 2011, at 13:07, Sean Murphy wrote: Hi All. I have got VMWare fusion installed with a WinXp image. The image has Jaws for Windows also installed. What I need to know is how you do the following: 1. Stop the MAC from using the CAP-locks key? This is because Jaws in laptop keyboard layout uses this key by default. 2. How do you make VMWare to except all keystrokes within the guess environment? command G places the focus into the environment. 3. HOw do you get the insert or num-lock key? I have managed to get a work around by using an external keyboard from my MacBook Pro series 5, 5. Any other tips are welcomed. Sean <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From n0oxy at charter.net Tue Aug 16 13:19:01 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 07:19:01 -0500 Subject: lion question In-Reply-To: <3ED59C82-67BE-4015-824D-653FAA44EF34@aapt.net.au> References: <3ED59C82-67BE-4015-824D-653FAA44EF34@aapt.net.au> Message-ID: <22F3F211-5D05-4ABA-BD9D-22221FBD5EC0@charter.net> Yes, just command tab and you will see the finder. On Aug 16, 2011, at 2:05 AM, Michael Fridey wrote: > Hi guys has anyone since installing os 10 lion wen your first boot up I get voiceover say apple . com exktra's. > Not sure why and I was playing a podcast and voiceover lost all focus and did not want to respond. > I had to forse a restart anyone else had the same program. > Regards Michael. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From opensesame at me.com Tue Aug 16 14:46:35 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 09:46:35 -0400 Subject: Public Radio Player on iPod Touch In-Reply-To: <0F61E249-864B-43DC-97CC-5B3B15CD4540@q.com> References: <0F61E249-864B-43DC-97CC-5B3B15CD4540@q.com> Message-ID: Hello Desi, Firstly, are you in the US and are you referring to the NPR News App version 3.1 as found at the following US App Store link? http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/npr-news/id324906251?mt=8 If yes, I'm not sure if the following is the same issue you're experiencing, but it sounds similar. I've been using the NPR App for a year on my iphone 4 and hadn't experienced this issue until this morning when, incidentally, I updated the app to version 3.1. After the update, VO reported no listings within my "Favorites" which previously had 4 stations listed. I went back to the Favorites list and attempted to re-add a local station using the "Search by Zip Code" option, but it seems they've used a non-standard number pad and VO announces the numbers as "Button" so that option appears to be useless. I went a step and used the "Nearby stations" and it quickly found the stations I wanted. Note: I'm not sure if that option works on the ipod or if it requires a GPS signal as found in the iphone. The next glitch I found was that there were no program listings within the station. I went back and forth through the process of adding several other stations and checking them for program listings, but they all reported an empty list. Then, somewhere around my tenth try, the program listing finally showed up in all of my "favorite" stations. I'm guessing the update must have refreshed the data on my phone and perhaps just required a few extra minutes of patience to complete that refresh. I'll be sending a note to nprmobile at npr.org to let them know about this behavior and about the inaccessible keypad. HTH, Bryan On Aug 15, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > Is anyone using the Public Radio Player App on their iPhone or iPod Touch? It's a free App which accesses all of the National Public Radio stations here in the U.S. I've been able to listen to stations using it, but there's a Favorites button, that when I press it, I can't tell whether any of my favorites have been stored or not. And, if they have, I'm not sure how or where to find them. Any ideas would be most appreciated! From weavermicha at googlemail.com Tue Aug 16 15:48:43 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:48:43 +0100 Subject: lion question Message-ID: <4e4a82c9.c310df0a.4f3a.0678@mx.google.com> i get that message sometimes and also speech synthesis server. i was told by someone else to just ignore them and they told me they just did a command tab which is what i did to focus on the desktop. > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Michael Fridey To: mac help email list email list Date sent: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:05:18 +1000 >Subject: lion question >Hi guys has anyone since installing os 10 lion wen your first boot up I get voiceover say apple . com exktra's. >Not sure why and I was playing a podcast and voiceover lost all focus and did not want to respond. >I had to forse a restart anyone else had the same program. >Regards Michael. ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- >To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > dear list Just to report some things that are making my life easier as a Mac User. Not every thing is going completely smoothly as you might expect . But some things I learnt today have definitely made life much easier. Firstly I have turned on Num pad Commander. This has revolutionised the usability of Voiceover navigation for me and I would strongly recommend it to a new Mac user of Voiceover. The main things I am missing are a way to go back between dialogues and windows and a command to tell me what window I am in. I am sure they are around. I just need to learn what they are. Num Pad commander is definitely making life easier though . Secondly today I learnt about quick nav keys and single letter web navigation. As I understand it the single letter navigation is a new feature of Lion. This is a brilliant feature and I cannot really understand why it is not the default setting. I was a little concerned at how long it was taking me to navigate web pages on the web yesterday. Now with this settings change using the web is again a rapid and easy process for me. Nearly All the single letter navigation keys I used with Jaws on Windows web pages are now available. For example I can press B to jump to a button after pressing f to jump to the edit box, then H to jump to headings or even the numbers 1 2 3 etc to jump to different heading levels . It is c for a check box rather than X but that is fine. R for radio button is obvious as is N for next etc. I had pretty much resigned myself to voiceover not being as flexible as Jaws on web pages but with these navigation commands and track pad gestures Voiceover has moved ahead I think. All in in all a reassuring day. David Griffith __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6382 (20110816) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From d.griffith at btinternet.com Tue Aug 16 15:58:06 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:58:06 +0100 Subject: Getting voiceover to tell the time and date Message-ID: Dear list Is there a keystroke to make Voiceover tell the time and date? Many thanks David Griffith __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6380 (20110815) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6382 (20110816) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6382 (20110816) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From e.zwicker at sympatico.ca Tue Aug 16 16:27:35 2011 From: e.zwicker at sympatico.ca (Earle) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:27:35 -0400 Subject: Getting voiceover to tell the time and date In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can press right-option-t if you have turned the keyboard commander on. I think you also have to have to box under general settings checked that says allow voiceover to be controlled by apple scripts. ---------- Earle Msn: peterson_33 at sympatico.ca Skype, Twitter, Facebook, and Yahoo: rowdyamerican Aim: rowdyamerican28 On 2011-08-16, at 10:58 AM, David Griffith wrote: > > Dear list > > Is there a keystroke to make Voiceover tell the time and date? > > Many thanks > > David Griffith > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6380 (20110815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6382 (20110816) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6382 (20110816) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From gordon at mac-access.net Tue Aug 16 16:38:41 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:38:41 +0100 Subject: Marking Messages On iPad Using IMAP Message-ID: Hi all Anybody know how you change the status of a message using the iPad? I tried everything I can think of, no joy. Gordon ------------------------------ This message was sent from our iPad. ------------------------------ `z From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Aug 16 17:18:56 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:18:56 +0100 Subject: New Mac Initial impressions In-Reply-To: <3E565ADC0E584FA78A551DD89227612C@6ffd52c138504d6> References: <3E565ADC0E584FA78A551DD89227612C@6ffd52c138504d6> Message-ID: <542995E3-8D89-4916-B0AD-337A283E76D7@blueyonder.co.uk> David, Press VO+F2 to switch between windows and also see what current window you are in. Press VO+F1 to switch between applications. By pressing either of these shortcuts brings up a menu on screen in a similar way to the rotor and item chooser. Just use the arrow up and down keys to select the item you want and hit enter. I would also recommend you try the rotor (vo+U) for when surfing the web too, as you can filter the results. VO+K also turns on the keyboard help which will let you explore keyboard combinations, remember to press escape to get out of the keyboard help. You can also practice gestures whilst in keyboard help too. Chris On 16 Aug 2011, at 15:56, David Griffith wrote: > dear list > > Just to report some things that are making my life easier as a Mac User. Not > every thing is going completely smoothly as you might expect . But some > things I learnt today have definitely made life much easier. > > Firstly I have turned on Num pad Commander. > This has revolutionised the usability of Voiceover navigation for me and I > would strongly recommend it to a new Mac user of Voiceover. The main things > I am missing are a way to go back between dialogues and windows and a > command to tell me what window I am in. I am sure they are around. I just > need to learn what they are. Num Pad commander is definitely making life > easier though . > > Secondly today I learnt about quick nav keys and single letter web > navigation. As I understand it the single letter navigation is a new > feature of Lion. This is a brilliant feature and I cannot really understand > why it is not the default setting. I was a little concerned at how long it > was taking me to navigate web pages on the web yesterday. Now with this > settings change using the web is again a rapid and easy process for me. > Nearly All the single letter navigation keys I used with Jaws on Windows > web pages are now available. For example I can press B to jump to a button > after pressing f to jump to the edit box, then H to jump to headings or > even the numbers 1 2 3 etc to jump to different heading levels . It is c > for a check box rather than X but that is fine. R for radio button is > obvious as is N for next etc. I had pretty much resigned myself to voiceover > not being as flexible as Jaws on web pages but with these navigation > commands and track pad gestures Voiceover has moved ahead I think. > All in in all a reassuring day. > > David Griffith > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6382 (20110816) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 18:35:19 2011 From: skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com (Kliph&Sharrie) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:35:19 -0500 Subject: VMWare on the Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The main thing you need to do is get the sharp key file. This enables you to map keys to do what you want. For example, I use the grave key for my jaws key, this is the key right below the escape key. I also changed my option key to the windows key, and the command key on the left side to the alt key. I also changed my back slash key to the right control key, since the right control key is something I use a lot of on the windows side. HT, if you need anything further, my contact info is below. Kliphton SR (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians On Aug 16, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Sean Murphy wrote: > Hi All. > > I have got VMWare fusion installed with a WinXp image. The image has Jaws for Windows also installed. > > What I need to know is how you do the following: > > 1. Stop the MAC from using the CAP-locks key? This is because Jaws in laptop keyboard layout uses this key by default. > > > 2. How do you make VMWare to except all keystrokes within the guess environment? command G places the focus into the environment. > > 3. HOw do you get the insert or num-lock key? > > I have managed to get a work around by using an external keyboard from my MacBook Pro series 5, 5. > > Any other tips are welcomed. > > > Sean > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 19:17:57 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:17:57 -0700 Subject: Gifting App Store applications In-Reply-To: <379114A2-A54C-4092-8249-C6F90177D6B9@gmail.com> References: <305F2725-A36B-42A0-B125-3A7C3AD83E0C@gmail.com> <5F3BE470-BF16-4FC4-AFB0-6AFD547DC098@gmail.com> <6CC28F29-4E15-4CCA-BD0F-13FF45D484D3@gmail.com> <73D31577-5DEF-4B07-90C2-73A30958CFB9@gmail.com> <42B083D8-426D-47B2-996F-EE156C669F02@blueyonder.co.uk> <3F96EDCB-CE92-4EFD-AEEC-71B48F5B8EAA@gmail.com> <9FFF906A-A24D-4E0D-A14D-7CAE22101E53@virginmedia.com> <379114A2-A54C-4092-8249-C6F90177D6B9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5136E9E9-8B33-4168-8785-4701DD7FAD6D@gmail.com> let me google this and see why I can come up with. It might be a while as my risks hurt like the dickens but I'll try and get to the bottom of this either through google or twitter or what ever it takes. On Aug 15, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > Well, try skimming through the Terms and Conditions. In the Danish terms, it mentions that you can gift applications in the Mac App Store. > > Regards, > Nic > On Aug 15, 2011, at 7:27 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > >> Hi all! >> Just in case someone might have been wondering! >> It's the same in SL no gifting! >> I also looked through the help area and there was no mention of gifting anywhere! >> So it looks like [if it cannot be done] those place's saying you can gift might have the wrong impression! >> Colin >> >> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:56, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi Chris, >>> >>> Well, some sites claim that you can indeed gift app store applications, and even the Terms of Conditions state that you can do this via the Mac App Store. >>> >>> So, it's kind of odd. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:54 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>>> Actually, it is me that should apologise, you did make it clear and I still thought iOS. Sorry I have brain fog and recovering from flu. >>>> >>>> Indeed you are correct, there does not seem a way to gift apps within the Mac app store. Just noticed BBEdit is in there though, so might treat myself :) >>>> >>>> Actually I was going to gift Lion to my brother, but guess I won't be able to do that now! >>>> >>>> I will drop feedback to Apple about this. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:46, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Chris, >>>>> >>>>> My apologies! >>>>> >>>>> I thought I'd written this to perfection, but it seems like I forgot to put the word "Mac" in there somehow. I actually was referring to Mac App Store application, and not iOS applications. >>>>> >>>>> The rest of the email still applies. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic >>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes of course. For example, if I type Numbers into the search box, then move to the heading for iphone app, and then interact with the Numbers group you will find the actions button. The first item in the pop up menu within actions is "gift this app". >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:33, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Can you give Mac App Store apps from within iTunes? That's what I'm asking about, as made clear by my other message. I don't see them in there, at least. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can gift apps within iTunes itself. >>>>>>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 17:28, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sarah, I'm not talking about iTunes apps. I'm talking about Mac App Store. I made that pretty clear in the explanation itself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> No it shouldn't. I perch aced an app for me and then I gifted it after I purchases it for someone else afterwords. HOpe that makes sense. It should be after the buy button after you click the app's link name in the iTunes store in iTunes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Now, this is not in the mac app store. I wish it were. >>>>>>>>>> On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Nic >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Nope, it's not there on ours. But I wonder if that appears post-purchase. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Gordon >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Aug 2011, at 16:09, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> According to Apple's Terms of COnditions, you are supposed to gift App Store applications by clicking "Gift this app" in the Actions popup menu. However, I only have "Tell a friend" and "Copy Link." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've been looking around also, and several Mac sites seem to confirm that you can indeed gift App Store applications. Would anyone here mind checking if they can find this? Because, as far as I can see, I can't. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> Nic<--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! 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>>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 19:19:33 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:19:33 -0700 Subject: adding people to a group in address book In-Reply-To: <708A4799-48BF-4BC0-BC87-3377628BBCD8@gmail.com> References: <7CC85F54-8043-4BB4-A9B9-43A7E586B9D3@gmail.com> <708A4799-48BF-4BC0-BC87-3377628BBCD8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <658653C8-92A5-430E-8B24-C33B034BA05F@gmail.com> Actually what I do is select th epeople first then go to file and pick create group from selection. it's a bit faster and you only have to copy and paste once after that if you want to add addresses. Take care all and good luck. On Aug 15, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > It's pretty easy once you get the hang of it. What you do is create the group, then you basically have to copy and paste people in to it from your all people list, or cards. So just inter act with your name list, and drop them in to your group. And the address book will use the most resent address that you emailed that person too. HTH > Kliphton SR > (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 > (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com > (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians > > > > On Aug 15, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Ronald McEwan wrote: > >> I cannot determine how to add people to a group in address book. Any help is greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >> In the Journey, >> >> Ron >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Tue Aug 16 17:50:26 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 09:50:26 -0700 Subject: Public Radio Player on iPod Touch In-Reply-To: References: <0F61E249-864B-43DC-97CC-5B3B15CD4540@q.com> Message-ID: <7015175B-F0F0-477C-A2D6-6C840224C39B@q.com> Hi Bryan, I am such a new iPod Touch user, that I can't tell you for sure what version I got, but I purchased it from my iPod last Friday, so I suspect it is the version you're talking about. Thanks for your explanation as it clarified things a lot! Maybe for now I'll stick to Apps that work more successfully while I'm learning how the heck to work this thing! LOL! Again, thanks so much! Desi On Aug 16, 2011, at 6:46 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hello Desi, > > Firstly, are you in the US and are you referring to the NPR News App version 3.1 as found at the following US App Store link? http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/npr-news/id324906251?mt=8 > > If yes, I'm not sure if the following is the same issue you're experiencing, but it sounds similar. I've been using the NPR App for a year on my iphone 4 and hadn't experienced this issue until this morning when, incidentally, I updated the app to version 3.1. After the update, VO reported no listings within my "Favorites" which previously had 4 stations listed. I went back to the Favorites list and attempted to re-add a local station using the "Search by Zip Code" option, but it seems they've used a non-standard number pad and VO announces the numbers as "Button" so that option appears to be useless. I went a step and used the "Nearby stations" and it quickly found the stations I wanted. Note: I'm not sure if that option works on the ipod or if it requires a GPS signal as found in the iphone. The next glitch I found was that there were no program listings within the station. I went back and forth through the process of adding several other stations and checking them for prog > ram listings, but they all reported an empty list. Then, somewhere around my tenth try, the program listing finally showed up in all of my "favorite" stations. I'm guessing the update must have refreshed the data on my phone and perhaps just required a few extra minutes of patience to complete that refresh. > > I'll be sending a note to nprmobile at npr.org to let them know about this behavior and about the inaccessible keypad. > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Aug 15, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Desi Noller wrote: >> Is anyone using the Public Radio Player App on their iPhone or iPod Touch? It's a free App which accesses all of the National Public Radio stations here in the U.S. I've been able to listen to stations using it, but there's a Favorites button, that when I press it, I can't tell whether any of my favorites have been stored or not. And, if they have, I'm not sure how or where to find them. Any ideas would be most appreciated! > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mfurness at bell.net Tue Aug 16 20:07:08 2011 From: mfurness at bell.net (Mark Furness) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 15:07:08 -0400 Subject: turn off the lights Message-ID: Excuse my ignorance. But what is the "turn off the lights" button I come across while using safari? Mark The goal of salvation is not to get to heaven. Salvation is being conformed to the image of Christ. Heaven is the benefit. From zkline at speedpost.net Tue Aug 16 20:10:04 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 12:10:04 -0700 Subject: turn off the lights In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <06BEEC52-EC08-43E9-85AB-2CBC2E4C431B@speedpost.net> Hi Mark, Umm, I may be simply dense, but I've never seen this particular button before. Where precisely is it? It sounds more like something on a web site than in the browser proper. Best, Zack. On Aug 16, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Mark Furness wrote: > Excuse my ignorance. But what is the "turn off the lights" button I come across while using safari? > > Mark > The goal of salvation is not to get to heaven. Salvation is being conformed to the image of Christ. Heaven is the benefit. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Aug 16 21:04:46 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:04:46 -0400 Subject: Rerouting audio inputs on a Mac Mini In-Reply-To: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2DA1@mail.mail.breezes.local> References: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2D9C@mail.mail.breezes.local> <837FC7E7-3F6D-4345-8A82-049F3AA1E9C0@mac-access.net> <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2DA1@mail.mail.breezes.local> Message-ID: <1E311C55-B7CA-48AC-ADA8-7EA2D1CFC822@softcon.com> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Frank Ventura wrote: > Thanks, is there an easy means of changing audio sources other then > going into systems preferences and then going to audio and chaing it I'm not sure, I've not tried it, but you may be able to use vo scripting to do the changes for you, then assign the scripts to a key on the numpad, then you can change outputs just by hitting a key on your numpad. Again, I've not tried this, so don't know if or how well it will work, but theoretically, there's no reason why this approach shouldn't work. hth. From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Aug 16 21:06:49 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:06:49 -0400 Subject: Rerouting audio inputs on a Mac Mini In-Reply-To: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2DA3@mail.mail.breezes.local> References: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2D9C@mail.mail.breezes.local> <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2DA3@mail.mail.breezes.local> Message-ID: <8D819AE4-509D-470D-BD4C-004E2C1B08B5@softcon.com> On Aug 15, 2011, at 6:12 PM, Frank Ventura wrote: > Thanks, can I easily change between inputs with Audio Hijack Pro and > send the output to another USB sound card for output? > Thanks You sure can. Audio hijack allows you to route your inputs and outputs anywhere you like. I haven't used the latest version of audio hijack, but as long as it still maintains the functionality of the older versions, this shouldn't be any problem at all. From moriond at mac.com Tue Aug 16 22:05:26 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 11:05:26 -1000 Subject: Marking Messages On iPad Using IMAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Gordon, If you're talking about changing the status of a message you've read back to "unread" on the iPad, I don't think there's any way of doing that in the mail app on the iPad, since the iOS devices are not meant to provide a primary interface for managing your IMAP settings through the mail client. It might be possible to do this through the MobileMe web site, but you would have to use a third party browser app, like Atomic Web Browser, and have it identify itself as Safari Desktop, since Safari on the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad restricts any logins to MobileMe to setups for mail, contacts, and "Find my iPhone". Then, you'd have to enter for the URL: me.com/mail and log in The web interface is not convenient to navigate. Frankly, if I wanted to mark mail messages, I would do it from Apple Mail on my Mac. Even allowing for the time to find, switch to my MacBook, and start up Mail, it's much faster and simpler to manage and mark messages from there. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Aug 16, 2011, at 05:38, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Anybody know how you change the status of a message using the iPad? I tried everything I can think of, no joy. > > Gordon > > > > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 16 22:20:58 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:20:58 +0100 Subject: turn off the lights In-Reply-To: <06BEEC52-EC08-43E9-85AB-2CBC2E4C431B@speedpost.net> References: <06BEEC52-EC08-43E9-85AB-2CBC2E4C431B@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <50C4D90B-0827-4C54-9868-640A1429A82A@mac-access.net> Hello Zack and Mark I can confirm that there is no such button in Safari. My guess is that there is an open window on Mark's system as Safari by default reopens the last page. If you have a lot of bookmarks they can also open by default if configured too I believe. Lynne On 16 Aug 2011, at 20:10, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Mark, Umm, I may be simply dense, but I've never seen this particular button before. Where precisely is it? It sounds more like something on a web site than in the browser proper. From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 16 22:24:36 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:24:36 +0100 Subject: Marking Messages On iPad Using IMAP In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3AF27323-19E7-48A6-9918-7C58A365ACEF@mac-access.net> Hello Esther The question Gordon asked was more for when we're out and about and he is checking his IMAP account using the iPad or iPhone. But yes; it's probably more trouble than it's worth. We're actively looking into the acquisition of some sort of GSM modem if they exist, so that we can connect to the GSM with our MacBooks directly. Lynne On 16 Aug 2011, at 22:05, Esther wrote: Hi Gordon, If you're talking about changing the status of a message you've read back to "unread" on the iPad, I don't think there's any way of doing that in the mail app on the iPad, since the iOS devices are not meant to provide a primary interface for managing your IMAP settings through the mail client. It might be possible to do this through the MobileMe web site, but you would have to use a third party browser app, like Atomic Web Browser, and have it identify itself as Safari Desktop, since Safari on the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad restricts any logins to MobileMe to setups for mail, contacts, and "Find my iPhone". Then, you'd have to enter for the URL: me.com/mail and log in The web interface is not convenient to navigate. Frankly, if I wanted to mark mail messages, I would do it from Apple Mail on my Mac. Even allowing for the time to find, switch to my MacBook, and start up Mail, it's much faster and simpler to manage and mark messages from there. HTH. Cheers, From zkline at speedpost.net Tue Aug 16 22:34:13 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 14:34:13 -0700 Subject: Marking Messages On iPad Using IMAP In-Reply-To: <3AF27323-19E7-48A6-9918-7C58A365ACEF@mac-access.net> References: <3AF27323-19E7-48A6-9918-7C58A365ACEF@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Lynn and All, I believe iOS 5 will allow more full-featured support for IMAP among other things, if I remember the feature list correctly. Until then, Ester's suggestions are quite valid. Best, Zack. On Aug 16, 2011, at 2:24 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Esther > > > The question Gordon asked was more for when we're out and about and he is checking his IMAP account using the iPad or iPhone. But yes; it's probably more trouble than it's worth. > > We're actively looking into the acquisition of some sort of GSM modem if they exist, so that we can connect to the GSM with our MacBooks directly. > > Lynne > > On 16 Aug 2011, at 22:05, Esther wrote: > > Hi Gordon, > > If you're talking about changing the status of a message you've read back to "unread" on the iPad, I don't think there's any way of doing that in the mail app on the iPad, since the iOS devices are not meant to provide a primary interface for managing your IMAP settings through the mail client. It might be possible to do this through the MobileMe web site, but you would have to use a third party browser app, like Atomic Web Browser, and have it identify itself as Safari Desktop, since Safari on the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad restricts any logins to MobileMe to setups for mail, contacts, and "Find my iPhone". > > Then, you'd have to enter for the URL: > me.com/mail > > and log in > > The web interface is not convenient to navigate. Frankly, if I wanted to mark mail messages, I would do it from Apple Mail on my Mac. Even allowing for the time to find, switch to my MacBook, and start up Mail, it's much faster and simpler to manage and mark messages from there. > > HTH. Cheers, > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moopiecurran at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 22:35:35 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:35:35 -0400 Subject: app question Message-ID: <485474BB-C6F2-4616-8589-7934856F0C6F@gmail.com> Hi, Is there an app similar to audiohijack pro, but for the IOS devices? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iPod From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 16 22:43:28 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:43:28 +0100 Subject: DVD Creator Message-ID: <45CD23C2-91DB-4185-B324-A9C98C9A64DC@mac-access.net> Hello everybody I bought DVD Creator a while ago from the app store in the hope that Gordon would be able to use it with VoiceOver. Unfortunately, we're just getting "Button, Button, Button", "Check box, check box, check box" when he tries to use it. This is really most frustrating and I wondered whether anybody had managed to get this thing working with VoiceOver. Looks like I'm going to have to spend a bit of time labelling things for him but this really is quite annoying. For ?27.99 GBP, given that we were told by somebody on list, (I can't remember who) that it was totally accessible, is a bit disappointing. Not that I in any way claim the person who told us; because it's highly possible that it works differently under Snow Leopard. Lynne From support at mac-access.net Tue Aug 16 22:46:19 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 22:46:19 +0100 Subject: Reminder Message-ID: Hello everybody Just a reminder; we didn't get the maintenance work done last night, so we're now looking at the second option which is the early hours of Wednesday morning, 17 August, UTC. We wil try and keep this time slot; so please don't be too surprised if things go down not long after midnight. Lynne ------------------------------ Gordon & Lynne Smith, Are you an iOS or Mac OS fan? If so, consider joining our vibrant community of fellow-enthusiasts. To join our forum, send a message to: with the word "subscribe" [no quotes] in the subject line of your message. Or else, visit: ------------------------------ From margaretebooth at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 22:51:40 2011 From: margaretebooth at gmail.com (Margaret Booth) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 07:51:40 +1000 Subject: Test Message-ID: <-4656548398521270434@unknownmsgid> I'm new to the list and I have tried to send an email to the list before and it didn't get through I don't know what went wrong So I thought I thought I would send a test email Margaret Sent from my iPhone From moopiecurran at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 23:01:29 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:01:29 -0400 Subject: DVD Creator In-Reply-To: <45CD23C2-91DB-4185-B324-A9C98C9A64DC@mac-access.net> References: <45CD23C2-91DB-4185-B324-A9C98C9A64DC@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi, I use it under snow leopard, I haven't tried it under lion though, so you're right, it could very well be different. But under SL, some things aren't labelled, so I just press and see what they are and label them from there. I didn't know you wanted to use it under lion. Courtney On Aug 16, 2011, at 5:43 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > I bought DVD Creator a while ago from the app store in the hope that Gordon would be able to use it with VoiceOver. Unfortunately, we're just getting "Button, Button, Button", "Check box, check box, check box" when he tries to use it. This is really most frustrating and I wondered whether anybody had managed to get this thing working with VoiceOver. Looks like I'm going to have to spend a bit of time labelling things for him but this really is quite annoying. For ?27.99 GBP, given that we were told by somebody on list, (I can't remember who) that it was totally accessible, is a bit disappointing. > > Not that I in any way claim the person who told us; because it's highly possible that it works differently under Snow Leopard. > > Lynne > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From techieteacher at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 23:03:03 2011 From: techieteacher at gmail.com (Jeremy Brown) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:03:03 -0400 Subject: Teaching All Students blog featured on TWiT iPad Today show about "Accessibility Apps"! Message-ID: The Teaching All Students blog, which I co-author on with Patrick Black, was featured recently on TWit's iPad Today podcast\show about "Accessibility Apps". http://teachingall.blogspot.com/2011/08/teaching-all-students-blog-featured-on.html -- Jeremy Brown Twitter: http://twitter.com/techieteacher E-mail: techieteacher at gmail.com Teaching All Students: http://teachingall.blogspot.com EdCeptional podcast: http://edreach.us/category/edceptional/ AT Resources wiki: http://at-resources.wikispaces.com LiveBinders: http://bit.ly/JLiveBinders From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 16 23:37:22 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 23:37:22 +0100 Subject: DVD Creator In-Reply-To: References: <45CD23C2-91DB-4185-B324-A9C98C9A64DC@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <189EA88C-7719-42A3-871F-5E6C53639F10@mac-access.net> hello Courtney Just so we are sure we're on the same wavelength here, who develops the programme you're speaking of? Lynne On 16 Aug 2011, at 23:01, Courtney Curran wrote: ? I use it under snow leopard, I haven't tried it under lion though, so you're right, it could very well be different. But under SL, some things aren't labelled, so I just press and see what they are and label them from there. I didn't know you wanted to use it under lion. From jdawg1983 at gmail.com Tue Aug 16 23:48:48 2011 From: jdawg1983 at gmail.com (joe quinn) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 17:48:48 -0500 Subject: using the mac mini with newer technology. :) Message-ID: <19E351998A5F47FE8337ACFF2A91F254@joseph1> 2 questions bout my early '09 mini. would it support a 5.1 soundcard? also, would it support a blue-ray burner? thanks! :) short n sweet, swut it is wit me. From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Aug 16 23:58:00 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 23:58:00 +0100 Subject: using the mac mini with newer technology. :) In-Reply-To: <19E351998A5F47FE8337ACFF2A91F254@joseph1> References: <19E351998A5F47FE8337ACFF2A91F254@joseph1> Message-ID: Hello Joe I don't have one but I'm 99.999% sure the answer to your question is yes. Actually a Bluray writer is high on our list. Lynne On 16 Aug 2011, at 23:48, joe quinn wrote: 2 questions bout my early '09 mini. would it support a 5.1 soundcard? also, would it support a blue-ray burner? thanks! :) short n sweet, swut it is wit me. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From moopiecurran at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 00:02:08 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 19:02:08 -0400 Subject: DVD Creator In-Reply-To: <189EA88C-7719-42A3-871F-5E6C53639F10@mac-access.net> References: <45CD23C2-91DB-4185-B324-A9C98C9A64DC@mac-access.net> <189EA88C-7719-42A3-871F-5E6C53639F10@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0C995FA2-61D0-41B5-A157-915AB676A005@gmail.com> Hi, The program I'm speaking of is the Wonder Share DVD Creator. HTH, Courtney On Aug 16, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > hello Courtney > > Just so we are sure we're on the same wavelength here, who develops the programme you're speaking of? Lynne > > On 16 Aug 2011, at 23:01, Courtney Curran wrote: > > ? I use it under snow leopard, I haven't tried it under lion though, so you're right, it could very well be different. But under SL, some things aren't labelled, so I just press and see what they are and label them from there. I didn't know you wanted to use it under lion. > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 00:20:42 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:20:42 -0500 Subject: Fwd: OS X Lion 10.7.1 VoiceOver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I asked Apple accessibility if there were any changes in OS XLion 10.7.1, specifically to VoiceOver or Safari, and response is below. Kevin ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Apple Accessibility Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 16:12:33 -0700 Subject: Re: OS X Lion 10.7.1 VoiceOver To: Kevin Chao Hello, Thank you for your email and feedback. Mac OS X Lion 10.7.1 did not include any bug fixes for Safari or VoiceOver that would have improved performance from 10.7.0. Apple is currently investigating this issue, unfortunately we cannot comment on when it may be resolved. If you would like to see what was addressed in this update we have provided a link to the knowledge base article below. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4764 Apple Accessibility From margaretebooth at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 00:22:01 2011 From: margaretebooth at gmail.com (Margaret Booth) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:22:01 +1000 Subject: Some questions about VO Message-ID: <-1564802907994758175@unknownmsgid> I have a Mac book pro with snow leopard and I'm new to using the Mac. The question I have is how do you change voice over from reading letters to just reading out the word while I am typing? If this can be done could someone give me step by step instructions Margaret Sent from my iPhone From support at mac-access.net Wed Aug 17 00:36:12 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 00:36:12 +0100 Subject: Reminder: RSS Feed Available Message-ID: <5563C76A-DE14-4B74-9F9A-3C3939D74F08@mac-access.net> Hello everybody We have just modified the footer text for messages to this group to include links to an alternative mail archive for the list, and also its associated RSS feed to which you may prefer to subscribe. We want to give our members the option: so if you want to subscribe by RSS but still remain a member, simply turn off the mail delivery in your options page for the list, then use the RSS feed and your mail client to reply to messages. of course, it won't be quite the same; you will have to manually address your messages and maintain subject lines. But it can be done with a little work. You can find the RSS feed here: , viewable in either your email client or your browser. For the record, the public archive of this list is at . Note: The difference between the list official archive and the public archive is that we maintain the official archive ourselves whilst the public archive is external. It's also experimental and we may opt to discontinue it at any time if we feel there is reason to do so. Again, details of all of this may now be found at the foot of each message. Lynne ------------------------------ Gordon & Lynne Smith, Are you an iOS or Mac OS fan? If so, consider joining our vibrant community of fellow-enthusiasts. To join our forum, send a message to: with the word "subscribe" [no quotes] in the subject line of your message. Or else, visit: ------------------------------ From n0oxy at charter.net Wed Aug 17 00:41:27 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:41:27 -0500 Subject: New Mac Initial impressions In-Reply-To: <3E565ADC0E584FA78A551DD89227612C@6ffd52c138504d6> References: <3E565ADC0E584FA78A551DD89227612C@6ffd52c138504d6> Message-ID: The command to hear the window you are in is control option F2, if you press it twice in a row, it will open a menu of all the windows in the current application. On Aug 16, 2011, at 9:56 AM, David Griffith wrote: > dear list > > Just to report some things that are making my life easier as a Mac User. Not > every thing is going completely smoothly as you might expect . But some > things I learnt today have definitely made life much easier. > > Firstly I have turned on Num pad Commander. > This has revolutionised the usability of Voiceover navigation for me and I > would strongly recommend it to a new Mac user of Voiceover. The main things > I am missing are a way to go back between dialogues and windows and a > command to tell me what window I am in. I am sure they are around. I just > need to learn what they are. Num Pad commander is definitely making life > easier though . > > Secondly today I learnt about quick nav keys and single letter web > navigation. As I understand it the single letter navigation is a new > feature of Lion. This is a brilliant feature and I cannot really understand > why it is not the default setting. I was a little concerned at how long it > was taking me to navigate web pages on the web yesterday. Now with this > settings change using the web is again a rapid and easy process for me. > Nearly All the single letter navigation keys I used with Jaws on Windows > web pages are now available. For example I can press B to jump to a button > after pressing f to jump to the edit box, then H to jump to headings or > even the numbers 1 2 3 etc to jump to different heading levels . It is c > for a check box rather than X but that is fine. R for radio button is > obvious as is N for next etc. I had pretty much resigned myself to voiceover > not being as flexible as Jaws on web pages but with these navigation > commands and track pad gestures Voiceover has moved ahead I think. > All in in all a reassuring day. > > David Griffith > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6382 (20110816) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Wed Aug 17 00:42:27 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:42:27 -0500 Subject: Getting voiceover to tell the time and date In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <288A7E35-7928-41CE-A9A8-5914FBA8EBFF@charter.net> The way I do this is, press control F8, this is actually a mac command to go to the status menus, then press the left arrow key to move to the clock, press escape to leave the menu after hearing the time. On Aug 16, 2011, at 9:58 AM, David Griffith wrote: > > Dear list > > Is there a keystroke to make Voiceover tell the time and date? > > Many thanks > > David Griffith > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6380 (20110815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6382 (20110816) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6382 (20110816) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 17 00:48:27 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 00:48:27 +0100 Subject: DVD Creator In-Reply-To: <0C995FA2-61D0-41B5-A157-915AB676A005@gmail.com> References: <45CD23C2-91DB-4185-B324-A9C98C9A64DC@mac-access.net> <189EA88C-7719-42A3-871F-5E6C53639F10@mac-access.net> <0C995FA2-61D0-41B5-A157-915AB676A005@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Courtney Ahah, I may have bought the wrong one! Damn it! Lynne On 17 Aug 2011, at 00:02, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, The program I'm speaking of is the Wonder Share DVD Creator. HTH, Courtney On Aug 16, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > hello Courtney > > Just so we are sure we're on the same wavelength here, who develops the programme you're speaking of? Lynne > > On 16 Aug 2011, at 23:01, Courtney Curran wrote: > > ? I use it under snow leopard, I haven't tried it under lion though, so you're right, it could very well be different. But under SL, some things aren't labelled, so I just press and see what they are and label them from there. I didn't know you wanted to use it under lion. > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 17 00:59:48 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 00:59:48 +0100 Subject: Observations; 10.7.1 Update Message-ID: <0A22891C-7B16-4B06-A7C4-2121D6E198C5@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Just to say that we've been running this update for a few hours now and I am finding it faster than 10.7.0 in several areas. Searching for files and scrolling the sidebar is definitely faster. That is generally without VoiceOver, but I seem to be seeing improvements with it as well. when I fiddle with it. Just a few very basic observations. But I encourage people to update. It' on Software Update as of now. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 17 01:02:43 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 01:02:43 +0100 Subject: Some questions about VO In-Reply-To: <-1564802907994758175@unknownmsgid> References: <-1564802907994758175@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <04E16291-0F79-4D21-B492-35F922F9C08F@mac-access.net> Hello Margaret. 1. Press Control+Option (known as the "VoiceOver" or "VO" keys) plus the F8 key to open VoiceOver Utility. 2. Find the table of options and scroll down to verbosity. 3. Move to the "Text" tab and keep hitting the tab key when you select the text tab until you hear "Typing Echo" Open the menu option and change it to "Words". Lynne On 17 Aug 2011, at 00:22, Margaret Booth wrote: I have a Mac book pro with snow leopard and I'm new to using the Mac. The question I have is how do you change voice over from reading letters to just reading out the word while I am typing? If this can be done could someone give me step by step instructions Margaret Sent from my iPhone <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From n0oxy at charter.net Wed Aug 17 02:27:08 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:27:08 -0500 Subject: Observations; 10.7.1 Update In-Reply-To: <0A22891C-7B16-4B06-A7C4-2121D6E198C5@mac-access.net> References: <0A22891C-7B16-4B06-A7C4-2121D6E198C5@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <064CBECE-EBBD-44A8-9DEE-A5249953886A@charter.net> It seems a bit faster here, unfortunately some issues reamin, we'll have to see if they're fixed in 10.7.2 I guess, the nuance voices still change their pitch, I know someone was wondering if that was still there, and it is. On Aug 16, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Just to say that we've been running this update for a few hours now and I am finding it faster than 10.7.0 in several areas. Searching for files and scrolling the sidebar is definitely faster. That is generally without VoiceOver, but I seem to be seeing improvements with it as well. when I fiddle with it. > > Just a few very basic observations. But I encourage people to update. It' on Software Update as of now. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 02:46:49 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 18:46:49 -0700 Subject: Observations; 10.7.1 Update In-Reply-To: <064CBECE-EBBD-44A8-9DEE-A5249953886A@charter.net> References: <0A22891C-7B16-4B06-A7C4-2121D6E198C5@mac-access.net> <064CBECE-EBBD-44A8-9DEE-A5249953886A@charter.net> Message-ID: <6F91EDF3-8109-4EED-A990-32BB4587DD1C@gmail.com> Yeah I'm noticing it but a lot less. It seems slightly faster but mail is still laggy in modern view. but over all it seems a bit faster. On Aug 16, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > It seems a bit faster here, unfortunately some issues reamin, we'll have to see if they're fixed in 10.7.2 I guess, the nuance voices still change their pitch, I know someone was wondering if that was still there, and it is. > On Aug 16, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello everybody >> >> Just to say that we've been running this update for a few hours now and I am finding it faster than 10.7.0 in several areas. Searching for files and scrolling the sidebar is definitely faster. That is generally without VoiceOver, but I seem to be seeing improvements with it as well. when I fiddle with it. >> >> Just a few very basic observations. But I encourage people to update. It' on Software Update as of now. >> >> Lynne >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 17 02:58:15 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 02:58:15 +0100 Subject: Observations; 10.7.1 Update In-Reply-To: <064CBECE-EBBD-44A8-9DEE-A5249953886A@charter.net> References: <0A22891C-7B16-4B06-A7C4-2121D6E198C5@mac-access.net> <064CBECE-EBBD-44A8-9DEE-A5249953886A@charter.net> Message-ID: Hello Mike I haven't tried the voices because we use iVox. Gordon can't stand the Nuance voices on Mac or PC. There is a new InfoVox voice package coming out in September apparently which will have full Lion compatibility. The current version works fine if you're upgrading from SL or if you use their little Lion fix. Without that you cannot install the activation keys properly. Lynne On 17 Aug 2011, at 02:27, Mike Arrigo wrote: It seems a bit faster here, unfortunately some issues reamin, we'll have to see if they're fixed in 10.7.2 I guess, the nuance voices still change their pitch, I know someone was wondering if that was still there, and it is. From support at mac-access.net Wed Aug 17 03:31:19 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 03:31:19 +0100 Subject: Partnership Reminder Message-ID: Hello everybody Just a reminder for those who have been around a while, and a heads-up for those new to the group. In April of this year Mac Access Dot Net teamed up with a small developer company producing Mac software. The developer has expressed a great interest in accessibility and he wants to work with us to promote both his product and also our group. Therefore, all of his products are available exclusively to Mac Access Dot Net members at a special discounted price. The company in question is Bit Per Second Software, the producer of the best all-round archive tool for the Mac. He also produces a backup utility, video converter and more. Here are links; first to his website where you may download and try his products. Then, links to the special discount pages where you may buy at the reduced prices. Bit Per Second may be reached via either: or: Here are links to the various products available from him at the reduced prices. We encourage you to take advantage of this, especially the archive tool which is the only one you'll ever need. It's almost 100% accessible, he has worked with Gordon to make it so. The discount price is available exclusively to Mac Access Dot Net members. First, sArchiver. This tool is the only archiver tool for the Mac you'll ever need. We use it here and it's paid for itself hundreds of times over. Discounted from $19.99 to $14.99 (USD) sBackup: Discounted from $19.99 to $14.99 (USD) iTunes Controller 2: Discounted from $9.99 to $7.99 @nonymous: Discounted from $9.99 to $7.99 (USD) If you have any questions which don't directly relate to the software, feel free to contact us and we'll try to answer your questions for you. By that, I mean if you have questions related to the discounted prices or anything else. The developer himself handles technical support and he is very approachable and available. Lynne From support at mac-access.net Wed Aug 17 03:47:50 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 03:47:50 +0100 Subject: Maintenance Going Ahead, Please Read Message-ID: <4C857AFE-4D75-42F4-88E1-3FE52E8CCF6F@mac-access.net> Hello everybody As mentioned earlier, we have some essential maintenance work which needs doing quickly. Therefore we are forfeiting our night's sleep in order to get the work done at a time which is inconvenient to the least number of people possible. We shall be taking the mail services off line at 02:00 UTC today. That is in 14 minutes from the time of writing. I won't predict how long it will be down but we'll get the job done as quickly as possible. Our mail backup servers are waiting to catch any mail while we're off line. Lynne ------------------------------ Gordon & Lynne Smith, Are you an iOS or Mac OS fan? If so, consider joining our vibrant community of fellow-enthusiasts. To join our forum, send a message to: with the word "subscribe" [no quotes] in the subject line of your message. Or else, visit: ------------------------------ From michaelandjeanie at aapt.net.au Wed Aug 17 03:51:28 2011 From: michaelandjeanie at aapt.net.au (michael) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:51:28 +1000 Subject: lion question In-Reply-To: <3C0E5CFA11FE4AB484426F1542F91C9F@HOPPE1> References: <3ED59C82-67BE-4015-824D-653FAA44EF34@aapt.net.au> <3C0E5CFA11FE4AB484426F1542F91C9F@HOPPE1> Message-ID: <81DA83CD70474FA28BD92BFFF2C4FCEE@CustomerPC> Thanks for that info missy seams like some things need to be fixed in os 10 lion. Yes I am having a great day thanks. Cheers Michael. -----Original Message----- From: Missy Hoppe Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 9:04 PM To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' Subject: RE: lion question Ah yes! The com.apple.doc.extra thing! All you have to do is command-tab and it goes away, but it was one of the reasons I chose to go back to SL for now. I was experiencing other issues with Lion, so it's not the only reason I downgraded, but I must confess it was a fairly significant part of my decision to downgrade. If you haven't done so yet, please reporte it to accessibility at apple.com. I got a message from them saying that they are aware of the problem, but no estimated date of it being fixed was given. So, my thinking is that if people keep reporting it, it might motivate them to fix it sooner. I still have an external drive that can boot into lion, and every few days, I check for updates in hopes that some things have been fixed, but so far, there hasn't been anything. Anyway, I hope this helps, and that you're having a great day! Missy -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Michael Fridey Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 3:05 AM To: mac help email list email list Subject: lion question Hi guys has anyone since installing os 10 lion wen your first boot up I get voiceover say apple . com exktra's. Not sure why and I was playing a podcast and voiceover lost all focus and did not want to respond. I had to forse a restart anyone else had the same program. Regards Michael. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From e.zwicker at sympatico.ca Wed Aug 17 05:54:31 2011 From: e.zwicker at sympatico.ca (Earle) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 00:54:31 -0400 Subject: Getting voiceover to tell the time and date In-Reply-To: <288A7E35-7928-41CE-A9A8-5914FBA8EBFF@charter.net> References: <288A7E35-7928-41CE-A9A8-5914FBA8EBFF@charter.net> Message-ID: Hi Mike. I normally check time and date from the status bar as well. I got the impression from David's message that he wanted a one keystroke approach for doing this though. That is why I gave him the explanation about the voiceover keyboard commander. ---------- Earle Msn: peterson_33 at sympatico.ca Skype, Twitter, Facebook, and Yahoo: rowdyamerican Aim: rowdyamerican28 On 2011-08-16, at 7:42 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > The way I do this is, press control F8, this is actually a mac command to go to the status menus, then press the left arrow key to move to the clock, press escape to leave the menu after hearing the time. > On Aug 16, 2011, at 9:58 AM, David Griffith wrote: > >> >> Dear list >> >> Is there a keystroke to make Voiceover tell the time and date? >> >> Many thanks >> >> David Griffith >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >> database 6380 (20110815) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >> database 6382 (20110816) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >> database 6382 (20110816) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 17 06:17:38 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 06:17:38 +0100 Subject: We're back up! Message-ID: <8CE92153-7987-40B2-A0F5-582B4D0FEF1E@mac-access.net> Hello everybody OK, the maintenance work we planned to do is now complete. Whilst there we decided to give Apple's upgrade mechanism a go on our primary server to see if we could upgrade it to Lion from Snow Leopard without any interaction or re-configuration being required. What an unmitigated disaster! Apple's claims that everything will be upgraded are just plain and simply wrong! In order for us to upgrade to Lion Server, a terrific amount of work is going to be required which, to be honest, we don't much see the point in trying to do at the moment. Gordon has the capabilities of doing it, it isn't for lack of ability. It's just such an enormous undertaking to bring our server up to specification by hand, as it means editing files all over the place, it simply isn't worth while. We are still working on our quad core machine to get that one up to speed. But the primary server is now back on SL and I think it will remain there for quite some time unless we find a workable way of doing the job. Frankly, I am really disappointed in Apple on this occasion. They have, I feel, let their corporate users and enterprise customers down very very badly this time. It's almost like they're trying to deliberately drop their server-side platform because they've made it as difficult as they possibly could have done to administrate, set up and use. I really really would love to hear somebody at Apple explain and justify the things which their company has done to the server version of Lion. To be truthful it's a total flop and I have every intention of writing to Mr. Jobs if I can find his contact details, to let him know just what a let-down it is. In summary, anybody running a server I strongly suggest you do not upgrade to Lion Server. It simply isn't ready for prime time use. Yes, the hardware is good; although why they didn't put the 2.7 GHZ I7 CPU in there that's in the new client model, I do not quite understand. Logic would seem to suggest to me that server-side stuff should have the same power as the client, if not more. I also fail to understand why Apple has made it impossible to boot into anything other than Lion Server. You can't install SL on the new hardware. Puzzling I find it and, as I said, although I know he wouldn't even read my message let alone take notice of me if he did, I'd love to write to Mr. Jobs personally just to tell him what I think. Yes; I'd be polite, of course. Abuse gets you nowhere; I've been the victim of enough of that recently on the Internet myself without giving it out to others. But I just want him to know what we as customers think of the latest incarnation of Mac OS X Server. It makes me wonder just what they're saying down at Microsoft HQ. They must be laughing their heads off at this. Lynne From support at mac-access.net Wed Aug 17 08:26:01 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:26:01 +0100 Subject: Mac Access Dot Net Expansion Plans Message-ID: Hello everybody On 25 August 2011 Mac Access will be adding another network trunk to our system meaning that we wil have 3 separate Internet backbones. There are a number of reasons why we've opted to invest in this way, but I won't go into all of those here because it would turn into a bit of an essay. The reason I'm mentioning it now is this. You may remember that some time ago we talked about establishing a cloud backup service for a fee. We eventually opted not to go that route because it would have been a little difficult for us to keep on top of which users were due what, when and why. Also the process of taking payments would have been a little messy. However, we have decided to offer a free backup solution to a number of clients and customers. Yes, you heard me right, a "free" backup solution. If you are interested to know more, please contact the support address and we will tell you how it will work. The last time we tried this we got some pretty skeptical messages. One of which virtually accused us of trying to collect and steal people's personal data. That is not the case, and we encourage you to use encryption if you wish to join our service. But that's your call. More information upon request, off list. Lynne ------------------------------ Gordon & Lynne Smith, Are you an iOS or Mac OS fan? If so, consider joining our vibrant community of fellow-enthusiasts. To join our forum, send a message to: with the word "subscribe" [no quotes] in the subject line of your message. Or else, visit: ------------------------------ From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 09:09:50 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 03:09:50 -0500 Subject: Extracting part of a web page? Message-ID: <46ED20C6D619454B8B8D79FEEF206DC2@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Greetings all, Some time back I believe it was Ann R who described a workable procedure to copy a portion of a web page. Either the technique does not work in Lion or I'm missing a step or two. Running Lion 10.7.1 and the Aug 17 nightly webkit build I took the following steps: 1. Define hotspots for the beginning and end of the text I wanted to copy. 2. Turned trackpad commander off. 3. Moved to hotspot1. 4. Rout the mouse via vo-shift-f5 and verified with vo-f5. 5. Click the trackpad (to clarify, I did not use the VO mouse click command). 6. Rout to the hotspot which was set at the end of my desired selection. 7. repeat steps 4 and 5 above. 8. Press command-c. If I'm not overlooking a step, this use to result in the desired text being copied to the clipboard. Instead a beep is emitted and nothing is copied. So I am wondering how to accomplish this task? Dear I hope that there is a less cumbersome way to do this in Lion? TIA for any ideas and best regards. Geoff From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 17 09:18:51 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 09:18:51 +0100 Subject: Extracting part of a web page? In-Reply-To: <46ED20C6D619454B8B8D79FEEF206DC2@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> References: <46ED20C6D619454B8B8D79FEEF206DC2@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: <276C1B2E-A690-4A67-887B-FC1DCA826BDC@mac-access.net> Hello Geoff This method seems very complex. Why can't you just select the text by interacting with it and then pressing VO+Enter? I am sure that works, almost. Lynne On 17 Aug 2011, at 09:09, Geoff Waaler wrote: Greetings all, Some time back I believe it was Ann R who described a workable procedure to copy a portion of a web page. Either the technique does not work in Lion or I'm missing a step or two. Running Lion 10.7.1 and the Aug 17 nightly webkit build I took the following steps: 1. Define hotspots for the beginning and end of the text I wanted to copy. 2. Turned trackpad commander off. 3. Moved to hotspot1. 4. Rout the mouse via vo-shift-f5 and verified with vo-f5. 5. Click the trackpad (to clarify, I did not use the VO mouse click command). 6. Rout to the hotspot which was set at the end of my desired selection. 7. repeat steps 4 and 5 above. 8. Press command-c. If I'm not overlooking a step, this use to result in the desired text being copied to the clipboard. Instead a beep is emitted and nothing is copied. So I am wondering how to accomplish this task? Dear I hope that there is a less cumbersome way to do this in Lion? TIA for any ideas and best regards. Geoff <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From anne at anarchie.org.uk Wed Aug 17 09:23:05 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:23:05 +0200 Subject: Extracting part of a web page? In-Reply-To: <46ED20C6D619454B8B8D79FEEF206DC2@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> References: <46ED20C6D619454B8B8D79FEEF206DC2@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: <4173ED31-3850-4D71-B8E6-9FBF40125157@anarchie.org.uk> Hello Geoff, At the second hotspot, you need to do a Shift-click. Yes, it still works in Lion, and no, I haven't found another way of doing this. Cheers, Anne On 17 Aug 2011, at 10:09, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Greetings all, > > Some time back I believe it was Ann R who described a workable procedure to copy a portion of a web page. Either the technique does not work in Lion or I'm missing a step or two. > > Running Lion 10.7.1 and the Aug 17 nightly webkit build I took the following steps: > 1. Define hotspots for the beginning and end of the text I wanted to copy. > 2. Turned trackpad commander off. > 3. Moved to hotspot1. > 4. Rout the mouse via vo-shift-f5 and verified with vo-f5. > 5. Click the trackpad (to clarify, I did not use the VO mouse click command). > 6. Rout to the hotspot which was set at the end of my desired selection. > 7. repeat steps 4 and 5 above. > 8. Press command-c. > > If I'm not overlooking a step, this use to result in the desired text being copied to the clipboard. Instead a beep is emitted and nothing is copied. > > So I am wondering how to accomplish this task? Dear I hope that there is a less cumbersome way to do this in Lion? > > TIA for any ideas and best regards. > Geoff > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From d.griffith at btinternet.com Wed Aug 17 10:43:59 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:43:59 +0100 Subject: Read all / say all in voiceover Message-ID: Dear list I have several books in text format which I need to read. They have been scanned from hard copy and typically will be 300 500 pages in length. Typically these are broken up into chapters which take up about 30 pages each. I started to read one of these today in Text Edit on the Mac. However the biggest level of reading I can find is read paragraph which as you might imagine is an extremely laborious way of working through these books. I am looking for the voiceover equivalent of the say All command which will allow me to listen to the book until I need to make notes in it or edit it to correct scanning errors. Sorry for these basic questions as this is one of the most basic commands in a screen reader but I cannot find it so far using keyboard help and documentation. Regards David Griffith. __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6384 (20110817) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Aug 17 10:53:54 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 10:53:54 +0100 Subject: Read all / say all in voiceover In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <79CCEEDF-304B-415A-80EA-A2C13AD81CA0@blueyonder.co.uk> David, Press control + option + A (VO+A) to read all from your current location. and VO+B to read from the beginning up to your current location. Chris On 17 Aug 2011, at 10:43, David Griffith wrote: > Dear list > > I have several books in text format which I need to read. > They have been scanned from hard copy and typically will be 300 500 pages in > length. > Typically these are broken up into chapters which take up about 30 pages > each. > > I started to read one of these today in Text Edit on the Mac. However the > biggest level of reading I can find is read paragraph which as you might > imagine is an extremely laborious way of working through these books. > I am looking for the voiceover equivalent of the say All command which will > allow me to listen to the book until I need to make notes in it or edit it > to correct scanning errors. > > Sorry for these basic questions as this is one of the most basic commands in > a screen reader but I cannot find it so far using keyboard help and > documentation. > > Regards > > David Griffith. > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6384 (20110817) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From smur7241 at bigpond.net.au Wed Aug 17 11:00:13 2011 From: smur7241 at bigpond.net.au (Sean Murphy) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:00:13 +1000 Subject: VMWare on the Mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <698B9932-47A4-4CBC-BC03-6A214668257C@bigpond.net.au> HI, thanks Gordon and Cliff. I do have some more questions. 1. what is this file and where do you get it? 2. So I need to modify the preferences keyboard shortcut and re-assign keys? I will play with the later and see what occurs. Sean On 17/08/2011, at 3:35 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > The main thing you need to do is get the sharp key file. This enables you to map keys to do what you want. For example, I use the grave key for my jaws key, this is the key right below the escape key. I also changed my option key to the windows key, and the command key on the left side to the alt key. I also changed my back slash key to the right control key, since the right control key is something I use a lot of on the windows side. HT, if you need anything further, my contact info is below. > > Kliphton SR > (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 > (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com > (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians > > > > On Aug 16, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Sean Murphy wrote: > >> Hi All. >> >> I have got VMWare fusion installed with a WinXp image. The image has Jaws for Windows also installed. >> >> What I need to know is how you do the following: >> >> 1. Stop the MAC from using the CAP-locks key? This is because Jaws in laptop keyboard layout uses this key by default. >> >> >> 2. How do you make VMWare to except all keystrokes within the guess environment? command G places the focus into the environment. >> >> 3. HOw do you get the insert or num-lock key? >> >> I have managed to get a work around by using an external keyboard from my MacBook Pro series 5, 5. >> >> Any other tips are welcomed. >> >> >> Sean >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From d.griffith at btinternet.com Wed Aug 17 11:01:52 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:01:52 +0100 Subject: Read all / say all in voiceover In-Reply-To: <79CCEEDF-304B-415A-80EA-A2C13AD81CA0@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <79CCEEDF-304B-415A-80EA-A2C13AD81CA0@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Brilliant. I found VO B but for some reason did not pick up VO A which is the command I wanted. Thanks for the patience. David Griffith -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: Wednesday, 17 August 2011 10:54 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Read all / say all in voiceover David, Press control + option + A (VO+A) to read all from your current location. and VO+B to read from the beginning up to your current location. Chris On 17 Aug 2011, at 10:43, David Griffith wrote: > Dear list > > I have several books in text format which I need to read. > They have been scanned from hard copy and typically will be 300 500 pages in > length. > Typically these are broken up into chapters which take up about 30 pages > each. > > I started to read one of these today in Text Edit on the Mac. However the > biggest level of reading I can find is read paragraph which as you might > imagine is an extremely laborious way of working through these books. > I am looking for the voiceover equivalent of the say All command which will > allow me to listen to the book until I need to make notes in it or edit it > to correct scanning errors. > > Sorry for these basic questions as this is one of the most basic commands in > a screen reader but I cannot find it so far using keyboard help and > documentation. > > Regards > > David Griffith. > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6384 (20110817) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6384 (20110817) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6384 (20110817) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From smur7241 at bigpond.net.au Wed Aug 17 11:02:34 2011 From: smur7241 at bigpond.net.au (Sean Murphy) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:02:34 +1000 Subject: Shell auto tab completion Message-ID: <56550C94-721F-4586-A125-AE0B82CB96CE@bigpond.net.au> Hi All. Those of you who play in the shell for Mac. How do you turn on auto completion. This is normally turned on by default for all other Linux/UNix base OS's that I have used in the past. I would like to know why Apple in their wisdom have disabled it. I couldn't find the answer on Apples support. Sean From smur7241 at bigpond.net.au Wed Aug 17 11:08:48 2011 From: smur7241 at bigpond.net.au (Sean Murphy) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:08:48 +1000 Subject: Navigation text questions Message-ID: <274B0A56-5FE5-4CA5-A491-7A2C3F4010B0@bigpond.net.au> Hi All. This is a basic question. But it is doing my head in. When you move by character or word. the cursor is always at the end of the word when moving from left to right. If you move right to left then the insert cursor is at the beginning. This is the reverse to what I am used too. Why is this the case? So how do you delete the character you are currently on? How do you stop the same character being spoken twice when you move to the previous character and then back again? EG: Say you are on a space. Then you press the left arrow key. YOu hear a character. Then you press the right arrow key you hear the same character. This type of double announcing isn't seen under windows. If there is a good tutorial on this. Point me to it. Sean From anne at anarchie.org.uk Wed Aug 17 11:19:15 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:19:15 +0200 Subject: Navigation text questions In-Reply-To: <274B0A56-5FE5-4CA5-A491-7A2C3F4010B0@bigpond.net.au> References: <274B0A56-5FE5-4CA5-A491-7A2C3F4010B0@bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: Hello Sean, To understand text navigation on the Mac, you need to picture a line being drawn between two characters. This is the insertion point. The insertion point moves from left to right of a character as you press the right arrow, and from right to left as you press the left arrow. When the insertion point is to the right of a character, the backspace will delete that character. To me, this is perfectly logical, but I've never used Windows. Cheers, Anne On 17 Aug 2011, at 12:08, Sean Murphy wrote: > Hi All. > > This is a basic question. But it is doing my head in. > > When you move by character or word. the cursor is always at the end of the word when moving from left to right. If you move right to left then the insert cursor is at the beginning. This is the reverse to what I am used too. > > Why is this the case? > > So how do you delete the character you are currently on? > > How do you stop the same character being spoken twice when you move to the previous character and then back again? EG: Say you are on a space. Then you press the left arrow key. YOu hear a character. Then you press the right arrow key you hear the same character. This type of double announcing isn't seen under windows. > > If there is a good tutorial on this. Point me to it. > > Sean > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From zkline at speedpost.net Wed Aug 17 11:37:37 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 03:37:37 -0700 Subject: Navigation text questions In-Reply-To: References: <274B0A56-5FE5-4CA5-A491-7A2C3F4010B0@bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: Hi all, There is an option in VoiceOver Utility to force it to behave like the Windows screen readers and speak the item to the right of the cursor each time. That is on the Text pane of Verbosity settings, and defaults to "Speak Text the Cursor Passes." I recommend getting used to the way the Mac does things on its own though, not trying to make it act like Windows. Best, Zack. On Aug 17, 2011, at 3:19 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Sean, > > To understand text navigation on the Mac, you need to picture a line being drawn between two characters. This is the insertion point. The insertion point moves from left to right of a character as you press the right arrow, and from right to left as you press the left arrow. When the insertion point is to the right of a character, the backspace will delete that character. > > To me, this is perfectly logical, but I've never used Windows. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 17 Aug 2011, at 12:08, Sean Murphy wrote: > >> Hi All. >> >> This is a basic question. But it is doing my head in. >> >> When you move by character or word. the cursor is always at the end of the word when moving from left to right. If you move right to left then the insert cursor is at the beginning. This is the reverse to what I am used too. >> >> Why is this the case? >> >> So how do you delete the character you are currently on? >> >> How do you stop the same character being spoken twice when you move to the previous character and then back again? EG: Say you are on a space. Then you press the left arrow key. YOu hear a character. Then you press the right arrow key you hear the same character. This type of double announcing isn't seen under windows. >> >> If there is a good tutorial on this. Point me to it. >> >> Sean >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 17 11:59:44 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 11:59:44 +0100 Subject: VMWare on the Mac In-Reply-To: <698B9932-47A4-4CBC-BC03-6A214668257C@bigpond.net.au> References: <698B9932-47A4-4CBC-BC03-6A214668257C@bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: Hello Sean Sharp Keys is a Windows utility that allows you to modify the keyboard layout. But it's off topic for this group as it is Windows. Just to remind the group of list policy on this issue. The configuration of the VM itself is on topic. But the configuration of anything inside of the VM is definitely off topic for this group. That includes your screen-reader or anything else. Lynne On 17 Aug 2011, at 11:00, Sean Murphy wrote: HI, thanks Gordon and Cliff. I do have some more questions. 1. what is this file and where do you get it? 2. So I need to modify the preferences keyboard shortcut and re-assign keys? I will play with the later and see what occurs. Sean On 17/08/2011, at 3:35 AM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > The main thing you need to do is get the sharp key file. This enables you to map keys to do what you want. For example, I use the grave key for my jaws key, this is the key right below the escape key. I also changed my option key to the windows key, and the command key on the left side to the alt key. I also changed my back slash key to the right control key, since the right control key is something I use a lot of on the windows side. HT, if you need anything further, my contact info is below. > > Kliphton SR > (twitter&Skype) kliphton72 > (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com > (Marriage group) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians > > > > On Aug 16, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Sean Murphy wrote: > >> Hi All. >> >> I have got VMWare fusion installed with a WinXp image. The image has Jaws for Windows also installed. >> >> What I need to know is how you do the following: >> >> 1. Stop the MAC from using the CAP-locks key? This is because Jaws in laptop keyboard layout uses this key by default. >> >> >> 2. How do you make VMWare to except all keystrokes within the guess environment? command G places the focus into the environment. >> >> 3. HOw do you get the insert or num-lock key? >> >> I have managed to get a work around by using an external keyboard from my MacBook Pro series 5, 5. >> >> Any other tips are welcomed. >> >> >> Sean >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Aug 17 12:03:26 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:03:26 +0100 Subject: Read all / say all in voiceover In-Reply-To: References: <79CCEEDF-304B-415A-80EA-A2C13AD81CA0@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Hello David That's why this list is here. Feel free to keep asking questions. The beginning of wisdom is "I do not know". We all had to wise up some time. And I'm sure we all started out with "I do not know". Please do recommend this group to your friends if they have a Mac interest or an iOS interest. Gordon is going to approach Apple to see if we can get this group listed on the resources pages which Apple maintains. The other list is there so why not this one as well? If anybody else feels disposed to back us up in this, we will be grateful. Lynne On 17 Aug 2011, at 11:01, David Griffith wrote: Thanks for the patience. From support at mac-access.net Wed Aug 17 18:17:06 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 18:17:06 +0100 Subject: More alternatives For Email Addresses From Mac Access Dot Net Message-ID: Hello everybody As long-time list members will know, but perhaps newer ones don't, we at Mac Access Dot Net are happy to offer free email addresses on our secure servers to those who would like them. As well as being able to offer addresses in the mac-access.net, mac-access.co.uk, mac-access.org and mac-access.org.uk domains, we can now also offer: maciosaccess.com maciosaccess.co.uk maciosaccess.org maciosaccess.org.uk These new domains form part of plans we are working on as a part of our upcoming network expansion. We are also rolling out more Email servers on our new network trunk which will come on stream any time between 22 and 25 August. If anybody is interested in any of these or would like an account at any of the domains on our server with the exception of those which we host for clients, feel free to contact us off list at the usual support address and we will be happy to discuss your needs with you. Lynne ------------------------------ Gordon & Lynne Smith, Are you an iOS or Mac OS fan? If so, consider joining our vibrant community of fellow-enthusiasts. To join our forum, send a message to: with the word "subscribe" [no quotes] in the subject line of your message. Or else, visit: ------------------------------ From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Wed Aug 17 21:22:44 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 15:22:44 -0500 Subject: Is the Lion XCode IOS simulator accessible? Message-ID: <2C055837701F4B3DB2922BE7625489FE@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Greetings, In xCode for Lion, I built the MoveMe project described In the Apple tutorial entitled: Creating an iPhone Application I'm still trying to wrap my head around objective C, hence am probably missing a number of details, but when I run MoveMe, it appears to build successfully and launch in the IOS simulator. According to the documentation, a welcome button draws an NSString (presumably text) object using a custom instance method called: drawRect. My expectation was that in the simulator window there would be a button visible to voiceOver showing the word: "welcome". Instead there is no content visible to voiceOver whether I use the two finger flick reading commands or the one finger flick left/right on the trackpad. I am wondering whether vo can be used in Lion in the xCode iPhone simulator. If so, perhaps the draw method failed to implement an accessibility feature (II still lack the knowledge to determine that). Has anyone else played with the IOS simulator? TIA for any thoughts or ideas. Geoff From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Aug 17 21:35:26 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 06:35:26 +1000 Subject: Shopping Apps For Iphone/Ipad Message-ID: <3175D457-D366-4492-BE72-576065555F55@internode.on.net> Hi Everyone! So you do your grocery shopping every week and you want to be absolutely organized? Then here's the best app I've seen to help you "organize" your shopping and its free! Note that the Woolworths app is only available in Australia as far as I know. This app does everything you'd expect a shoppers helper to do and far more. Firstly, it can locate your nearest store and thus will display the local stores product catalogue and appropriate weekly specials if any, you can then browse all of these and add what you want to your shopping list where you can edit, manipulate by increasing or decreasing the amount of an item or items required, email your list to someone or an address in your contacts list etc. The app is fully accessible with Voiceover with plenty of help screens and tips available should you find yourself lost in the software. The app tells in where to find items, for example if you add a kilo of apples to your shopping list of a particular type, the Woolworths app will tell you in what row to look and this is displayed in your shopping list so you can send someone down to the supermarket and they'll know exactly where to find an item. Have some products in your pan tree you wish to order again but can't remember what the label says so you've no idea what to search for? No problem, the Woolworths app has an in-built bar code scanner, take the product from the pan tree, scan the bar code and the app will identify the product where upon you can add it to your shopping list. I see wonderful potential for this app and full marks to the developers for what they've achieved with the app thus far, pity you can't order a delivery but perhaps that will come in the future. In short 2 words sum up my feelings regarding the Woolworths App, "Most Impressive". Sent from my iPad From weavermicha at googlemail.com Wed Aug 17 22:42:58 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:42:58 +0100 Subject: prizmo on the i-phone Message-ID: <4e4c355a.c13fd80a.7e84.495d@mx.google.com> what is the order of options to choose when scanning text in prizmo on the i-phone? i went to text, asked a sighted person to test it by taking a picture of some text only the text didn't appear for it to be read out for some reason so there must be an option i may be missing unless my sighted befrender didn't double tap to actually capture the text. is there a podcast about prizmo which isn't from the perspective of a sighted user which might help? i found a prizmo demonstration podcast for the i-phone only the lady i think talking through the demonstration of prizmo only said what the scanned text was like on screen which was no good from a blindness perspective. From jdawg1983 at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 01:18:28 2011 From: jdawg1983 at gmail.com (joe quinn) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 19:18:28 -0500 Subject: accessing macs remotely? Message-ID: <674AA0B5CBA6483C8053BA51AE41C2C9@joseph1> is there an accessible way to access a mac remotely? doubt it, but... and, i don't mean via ssh/telnet. From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Thu Aug 18 01:55:01 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 20:55:01 -0400 Subject: New time capsule impressions and questions Message-ID: <8CE4DAF1-87AD-45A9-BFC2-D06E13F1EB91@Mac-Access.net> Hi list, My old router was fading quickly, it needed a restart once a day or so, to provide a connection. I had been looking for a external storage drive so I went all out and purchased the new Time Capsule with 2 TB storage. It arrived yesterday and after setting it up I received a pleasant surprise. I had been looking into ways to speed up my Mac book recently. It felt sluggish lately. Well once I connected to the new router I get the biggest surprise the speed of my mac on the internet was so much faster! Even without the ether net cable the speed felt almost like I had instant access to pages. I would interact with a link and just be there. I wanted to share this because if other folks are finding the internet and on line experiences slow it may not be your computer. I thought things might improve a little, but this is really a dramatic improvement. The Time Capsule also has 2 TB of storage. I'm hoping someone can explain to me how to access this storage and how it can be best used. I found it under network but was hoping to find a way to just keep it on my desk top. Can someone explain how the time capsule storage is used and if it can be partitioned like a hard drive? Any tips on how I can use this storage and how it works differently then a simple external drive would be greatly appreciated. warmly, Eric Caron From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Aug 18 02:10:20 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 02:10:20 +0100 Subject: NTPD syntax; [Reminder Please?] Message-ID: Hello everybody Could one of the terminal gurus out there please remind me how to: 1. quiz a NTP server for its response. 2. manually force the client machine to do an update using a specified ntp service. Thank you. Lynne From joncohn at cox.net Thu Aug 18 03:11:14 2011 From: joncohn at cox.net (Jonathan Cohn) Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2011 22:11:14 -0400 Subject: NTPD syntax; [Reminder Please?] Message-ID: <20110818021101.NNLB21362.fed1rmfepo202.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Ntpdc is the command to query ntpd. Ntp.conf has the configurations. There are man pages for both. -----Original Message----- From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 9:10 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: NTPD syntax; [Reminder Please?] Hello everybody Could one of the terminal gurus out there please remind me how to: 1. quiz a NTP server for its response. 2. manually force the client machine to do an update using a specified ntp service. Thank you. Lynne <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From d.griffith at btinternet.com Thu Aug 18 06:58:04 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 06:58:04 +0100 Subject: Moving a Character at a time Message-ID: This is the first mail I have sent to the Mac list using my Mac so progress is slowly being made. . However I can navigate characters by using shift plus right and left cursor arrow. This appears to highlight each character I am moving. Is there a way of moving a character at a time without selecting then text in VoiceOver? I need to practise this so a referral to tutorial or part of the Voiceover help would be good. Not immediately found though. At the moment I have to edit words by using the delete to delete backwards through whole words rather the edit them. Regards David Griffith From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Aug 18 09:02:27 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:02:27 +0100 Subject: Moving a Character at a time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: David, You should just be able to use the arrow left and right keys on their own to move a character at a time whilst editing or writing a message. If not, then make sure you have interacted with the edit area by pressing shift + control + option and down arrow. Voice Over will then say "interacting with edit text". Chris On 18 Aug 2011, at 06:58, David Griffith wrote: > This is the first mail I have sent to the Mac list using my Mac so progress is slowly being made. . However I can navigate characters by using shift plus right and left cursor arrow. This appears to highlight each character I am moving. Is there a way of moving a character at a time without selecting then text in VoiceOver? I need to practise this so a referral to tutorial or part of the Voiceover help would be good. Not immediately found though. At the moment I have to edit words by using the delete to delete backwards through whole words rather the edit them. > > Regards > David Griffith > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Aug 18 09:16:19 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 09:16:19 +0100 Subject: Shopping Apps For Iphone/Ipad In-Reply-To: <3175D457-D366-4492-BE72-576065555F55@internode.on.net> References: <3175D457-D366-4492-BE72-576065555F55@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <31BAD0CB-59DC-41E7-A06C-372DB8677E39@blueyonder.co.uk> Sound like they have copied our Tesco app, we can do all that and also have the shopping delivered too. On 17 Aug 2011, at 21:35, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi Everyone! > > So you do your grocery shopping every week and you want to be absolutely organized? Then here's the best app I've seen to help you "organize" your shopping and its free! > > Note that the Woolworths app is only available in Australia as far as I know. > > This app does everything you'd expect a shoppers helper to do and far more. Firstly, it can locate your nearest store and thus will display the local stores product catalogue and appropriate weekly specials if any, you can then browse all of these and add what you want to your shopping list where you can edit, manipulate by increasing or decreasing the amount of an item or items required, email your list to someone or an address in your contacts list etc. > > The app is fully accessible with Voiceover with plenty of help screens and tips available should you find yourself lost in the software. > > The app tells in where to find items, for example if you add a kilo of apples to your shopping list of a particular type, the Woolworths app will tell you in what row to look and this is displayed in your shopping list so you can send someone down to the supermarket and they'll know exactly where to find an item. > > Have some products in your pan tree you wish to order again but can't remember what the label says so you've no idea what to search for? No problem, the Woolworths app has an in-built bar code scanner, take the product from the pan tree, scan the bar code and the app will identify the product where upon you can add it to your shopping list. > > I see wonderful potential for this app and full marks to the developers for what they've achieved with the app thus far, pity you can't order a delivery but perhaps that will come in the future. > > In short 2 words sum up my feelings regarding the Woolworths App, "Most Impressive". > > > > Sent from my iPad > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From anne at anarchie.org.uk Thu Aug 18 09:17:52 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:17:52 +0200 Subject: prizmo on the i-phone In-Reply-To: <4e4c355a.c13fd80a.7e84.495d@mx.google.com> References: <4e4c355a.c13fd80a.7e84.495d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4EE83987-04F9-43F4-8E46-5672C6FFC02E@anarchie.org.uk> Hello Michael, Below are the instructions for Prizmo as posted to another list by Esther. Prizmo works very well for me and I have no sight at all. Cheers, Anne One of the features that contributes to Prizmo's increased effectiveness for visually impaired users is the ability to take pictures with speech control, by saying, "Take Picture", which reduces the likelihood of a blurred image due to moving the phone when you double or split tap a button to take a picture. You turn this feature on in the Settings menu by double tapping the "Settings" button in the top right corner of the main Prizmo screen. Flick right to the "General Settings" button under the "Settings" heading and double tap. On the "General Settings" screen, flick right past the "Capture" heading and set the "Alignment Grid" to "Switch button, off", then set the "Speech Control" to "Switch button, on". I believe both switches are turned on by default, but it is several months since I configured Prizmo. I'm not sure whether turning off the "Alignment Grid" is necessary, but you certainly don't need it to be displayed, since you can't see it while using the camera. Once you have checked that these settings are in place, double tap the "Settings, back button" in the top left corner to return to the "Settings" screen, then double tap the "Done" button in the top right corner to return to the main Prizmo screen. The main Prizmo screen has a list of types of documents to scan and OCR, followed by a "Documents" button at the bottom of the screen that are results you want to store in the app. In general, you will choose to double tap "Text" (the first listed entry). The app works in 3 stages, which are indicated by the 3 buttons at the bottom of the the next ("Photo") screen: (1) Source (obtaining the image using the Camera -- can also use previous images from your photo album taken outside the app), (2) Image (options to apply corrections to image before OCR -- generally requires vision to perform actions, such as cropping to only include the part of the image that contains text or correct for distorted pictures because you didn't hold the iPhone flat), and (3) OCR (perform the OCR with an option to choose the language to improve the OCR), then display the results for editing, copying, etc. or saving in the app's stored "Documents". You can navigate through the app without ever using these buttons, just by double tapping the "Next" button in the top right corner of the screen to move through each stage, and that's probably the easiest way to use the app when you get started, especially if you only work with documents in English. However, if you want to OCR a document in a different language, you can improve your results by double tapping the "OCR" button (third or three at the bottom right corner of the screen) and then flicking left to the language button (e.g., "English") in the row of option buttons for that screen, and double tapping. You'll be able to double tap another language from the list of 10 available languages. (Note that you will not hear "selected" announced beside the currently selected language in the list, but you can only exit the "Language" menu by either double tapping a new language selection or by double tapping the "Cancel" button in the top right corner. Once you have changed the language (e.g., to French) and returned to the "Photo" screen with the OCR button set, you should hear the new language, "French", announced if you flick left to that button.) Setting the OCR language before applying the "next" button improves the recognition of words with accented characters -- otherwise I may get a "6" for an "e" with acute accent, and other such examples. Here's the sequence for the iPhone 4, assuming that you have configured the "Settings" menu as outlined earlier. It is very helpful to use the $0.99 "Light Detector" app to check lighting conditions and also get a sense of the optimal centering and height of the iPhone above the page before you use Prizmo. (You can hear when the "Light Detector" signal is loudest if you move the phone up and down or left/right and forwards/back with respect to the page. This only gives a rough sense of where to position the phone when you use Prizmo, but if you can't hear any difference in signal with Light Detector when you move the phone around over the page, chances are that either the background light level is too low to take a good image, or you're blocking the light source with part of your body. You should also use a headset connected to the headphone jack, since as soon as the iPhone camera is accessed in a mode that is capable of responding to your spoken "Take Picture" command the volume of VoiceOver through the speaker will drop, and not get restored until you exit the camera screen either by double tapping the "Use" button in the bottom right corner of the screen or the "Retake" button in the bottom left corner of the screen. 1) From the main Prizmo screen, double tap "Text" 2) On the Photo screen, flick right to the "Camera" button that is the first of the 3 "Get text from picture" source options, near the bottom of the screen, and double tap 3) On the iPhone 4 Camera screen (no heading), there are three buttons at the top: one for the "Flash" at the top left and one for "Camera Chooser" at the top right. In between is an unlabeled "Button" that toggles on and off the speech control function when the switch for that option is turned on under the "General Settings" submenu of the "Settings" menu. If the switch for the speech control option is not turned on in "Settings", this unlabeled button will not appear on the screen. If, when you enter the Camera screen, your phone does not vibrate, and VoiceOver's volume through the speaker does not immediately drop, then the ability to use speech control to take a picture by saying "Take Picture" on this screen has not been toggled on, and you will have to double tap that unlabeled button to the left of the "Camera Chooser" button to activate this function. Once you toggle on the speech control function, your iPhone should vibrate, and the volume of VoiceOver through the speaker should immediately drop. I believe that the first time you access the Camera screen, speech control is toggled off (i.e., you can do a two finger flick down to "Read All" the controls on the screen and hear everything announced through the speaker). If you double tap the unlabeled button at the top of the screen to turn on voice control of the camera shutter, then whenever you enter the Camera screen your speaker volume will automatically be lowered, requiring use of headphones. Presumably this is to get a good trigger when you say, "Take Picture". Your speaker volume will remain lowered until you leave the Camera screen (either by double tapping the "Use" button in the bottom right corner after taking a photo, or by double tapping the "Cancel" button in the bottom left corner to leave the screen without taking a picture), or until you toggle the speech control feature off by double tapping the unlabeled button at the top of the screen again. (Note, if you become very confident and proficient in the layout of the camera screen, so you can double tap the "Use" button in the bottom left corner without a VoiceOver prompt, you can run this without headphones. Alternatively, if you're at home in a quiet setting you may still be able to hear VoiceOver through the lowered speaker volume and also work without headphones. Also, if you're fast at getting the iPhone to the correct height and level before you hear the buzz, and then say "Take Picture", you can work without headphones. But in general, be prepared to use headphones when you use voice control for the camera shutter.) 4) Revisiting step 3. Assuming you set your speech control on, and exited the Camera screen (e.g. by double tapping the "Cancel" button in the bottom left corner), you can start the process again, with your headphones connected. After double tapping the "Text" button (Step 1) and before double tapping the "Camera" button (Step 2), place your iPhone on the page you want to OCR using the edges of the paper to align the sides of the device. Center the iPhone so that the camera lens (top right corner as you normally hold the device) is approximately in the center of the page. (If you use a case, make sure that the back of the case does not block the camera lens). Sandy has mentioned suggestions like lightly folding the page in half length-wise and width-wise to guide positioning and aligning the iPhone, in the case of practicing with a sheet of letter paper. Make sure that you flatten the paper because failing to keep either the page or the iPhone flat when you take the picture will cause some of the letters to show up as tildes; this is typical if you scan a book page and haven't flattened the section near the spine enough. 5) Double tap or split tap the "Camera" button, then, using two hands to make sure you keep the iPhone level, raise it steadily up from the page to a height of about 7 to 9 inches. (Nine inches is roughly twice the length of the iPhone.) You'll feel the iPhone vibrate, and then VoiceOver will announce "auto-focused". At this point you can say "Take Picture" and hear the shutter close. (You'll probably start by lifting the iPhone too slowly to reach 7-9 inches before you feel the vibration and hear "auto focused". Say "Take Picture" anyway -- your image is more likely to be in focus. The actual distance you lift depends on the size of the page. Small billings only require about 6 or 7 inches. I practice lifting and then check the distance I've lifted an iPhone against the handspan of one hand, which for me is 7 inches, but I have small hands. 6) Double tap the "Use" button in the bottom right corner of the screen. This is the last element on the screen, so you can also just use a four finger tap on the bottom of the screen and then double tap. (I preferred the four finger swipe down, but this is the current gesture for moving tot he end of the screen.) 7) On the next screen flick right the "Next" button in the top right corner and double tap. You'll move to a screen labeled "Processing" 8) The results of the OCR will show up in an "Edit" screen which will let you review and edit your results. 9) Double tap the "Next" button in the top right corner when done. You can Save your results, or copy them, mail or upload them. Options such as copy or email are listed as buttons along the bottom of the screen. Do a three finger flick left to hear the second page of options, which include MobileMe, DropBox, etc. From anne at anarchie.org.uk Thu Aug 18 09:23:37 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:23:37 +0200 Subject: Moving a Character at a time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello David, I suspect you have Quick Nav turned on. If this is the case, you have to use VO navigation in text documents. I think you'd find it easier to turn Quick Nav off while editing text. Without quick Nav, the normal ways of doing things apply. Move by character - left and right arrows; move by word - option-left and right arrows; move by line - up and down arrows; move to beginning or end of line - Control-left and right arrows; move to top or bottom of document - Command-up and down arrows. For all the VO navigation commands, press VO-h-h and select the Navigation menu. Each command is followed by its key strokes. Cheers, Anne On 18 Aug 2011, at 07:58, David Griffith wrote: > This is the first mail I have sent to the Mac list using my Mac so progress is slowly being made. . However I can navigate characters by using shift plus right and left cursor arrow. This appears to highlight each character I am moving. Is there a way of moving a character at a time without selecting then text in VoiceOver? I need to practise this so a referral to tutorial or part of the Voiceover help would be good. Not immediately found though. At the moment I have to edit words by using the delete to delete backwards through whole words rather the edit them. > > Regards > David Griffith > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Thu Aug 18 09:59:12 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 04:59:12 -0400 Subject: prizmo on the i-phone In-Reply-To: <4EE83987-04F9-43F4-8E46-5672C6FFC02E@anarchie.org.uk> References: <4e4c355a.c13fd80a.7e84.495d@mx.google.com> <4EE83987-04F9-43F4-8E46-5672C6FFC02E@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <48B48E66-1768-462B-B5BB-F89570A49C97@gmail.com> Hello, Ann, This is terrific step-by-step instructional. How accurate are the results Prismo returns? Thanks! Marcy On Aug 18, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Michael, Below are the instructions for Prizmo as posted to another list by Esther. Prizmo works very well for me and I have no sight at all. Cheers, Anne One of the features that contributes to Prizmo's increased effectiveness for visually impaired users is the ability to take pictures with speech control, by saying, "Take Picture", which reduces the likelihood of a blurred image due to moving the phone when you double or split tap a button to take a picture. You turn this feature on in the Settings menu by double tapping the "Settings" button in the top right corner of the main Prizmo screen. Flick right to the "General Settings" button under the "Settings" heading and double tap. On the "General Settings" screen, flick right past the "Capture" heading and set the "Alignment Grid" to "Switch button, off", then set the "Speech Control" to "Switch button, on". I believe both switches are turned on by default, but it is several months since I configured Prizmo. I'm not sure whether turning off the "Alignment Grid" is necessary, but you certainly don't need it to be displayed, since you can't see it while using the camera. O nce you have checked that these settings are in place, double tap the "Settings, back button" in the top left corner to return to the "Settings" screen, then double tap the "Done" button in the top right corner to return to the main Prizmo screen. The main Prizmo screen has a list of types of documents to scan and OCR, followed by a "Documents" button at the bottom of the screen that are results you want to store in the app. In general, you will choose to double tap "Text" (the first listed entry). The app works in 3 stages, which are indicated by the 3 buttons at the bottom of the the next ("Photo") screen: (1) Source (obtaining the image using the Camera -- can also use previous images from your photo album taken outside the app), (2) Image (options to apply corrections to image before OCR -- generally requires vision to perform actions, such as cropping to only include the part of the image that contains text or correct for distorted pictures because you didn't hold the iPhone flat), and (3) OCR (perform the OCR with an option to choose the language to improve the OCR), then display the results for editing, copying, etc. or saving in the app's stored "Documents". You can navigate through the app without ever using these buttons, just by double tapping the "Next" button in the top right corner of the screen to move through each stage, and that's probably the easiest way to use the app when you get started, especially if you only work with documents in English. How ever, if you want to OCR a document in a different language, you can improve your results by double tapping the "OCR" button (third or three at the bottom right corner of the screen) and then flicking left to the language button (e.g., "English") in the row of option buttons for that screen, and double tapping. You'll be able to double tap another language from the list of 10 available languages. (Note that you will not hear "selected" announced beside the currently selected language in the list, but you can only exit the "Language" menu by either double tapping a new language selection or by double tapping the "Cancel" button in the top right corner. Once you have changed the language (e.g., to French) and returned to the "Photo" screen with the OCR button set, you should hear the new language, "French", announced if you flick left to that button.) Setting the OCR language before applying the "next" button improves the recognition of words with accented characters -- oth erwise I may get a "6" for an "e" with acute accent, and other such examples. Here's the sequence for the iPhone 4, assuming that you have configured the "Settings" menu as outlined earlier. It is very helpful to use the $0.99 "Light Detector" app to check lighting conditions and also get a sense of the optimal centering and height of the iPhone above the page before you use Prizmo. (You can hear when the "Light Detector" signal is loudest if you move the phone up and down or left/right and forwards/back with respect to the page. This only gives a rough sense of where to position the phone when you use Prizmo, but if you can't hear any difference in signal with Light Detector when you move the phone around over the page, chances are that either the background light level is too low to take a good image, or you're blocking the light source with part of your body. You should also use a headset connected to the headphone jack, since as soon as the iPhone camera is accessed in a mode that is capable of responding to your spoken "Take Picture" command t he volume of VoiceOver through the speaker will drop, and not get restored until you exit the camera screen either by double tapping the "Use" button in the bottom right corner of the screen or the "Retake" button in the bottom left corner of the screen. 1) From the main Prizmo screen, double tap "Text" 2) On the Photo screen, flick right to the "Camera" button that is the first of the 3 "Get text from picture" source options, near the bottom of the screen, and double tap 3) On the iPhone 4 Camera screen (no heading), there are three buttons at the top: one for the "Flash" at the top left and one for "Camera Chooser" at the top right. In between is an unlabeled "Button" that toggles on and off the speech control function when the switch for that option is turned on under the "General Settings" submenu of the "Settings" menu. If the switch for the speech control option is not turned on in "Settings", this unlabeled button will not appear on the screen. If, when you enter the Camera screen, your phone does not vibrate, and VoiceOver's volume through the speaker does not immediately drop, then the ability to use speech control to take a picture by saying "Take Picture" on this screen has not been toggled on, and you will have to double tap that unlabeled button to the left of the "Camera Chooser" button to activate this function. Once you toggle on the speech control function, your iPhone should vibrate, and the volume of VoiceOver through the speaker should immediately drop. I believe that the first time you access the Camera screen, speech control is toggled off (i.e., you can do a two finger flick down to "Read All" the controls on the screen and hear everything announced through the speaker). If you double tap the unlabeled button at the top of the screen to turn on voice control of the camera shutter, then whenever you enter the Camera screen your speaker volume will automatically be lowered, requiring use of headphones. Presumably this is to get a good trigger when you say, "Take Picture". Your speaker volume will remain lowered until you leave the Camera screen (either by double tapping the "Use" button in the bottom right corner after taking a photo, or by double tapping the "Cancel" button in the bottom left corner to leave the screen without taking a picture), or until you toggle the speech control feature off by double tapping the unlabeled button at the top of the screen again. (Note, if you become very confident and proficient in the layout of the camera screen, so you can double tap the "Use" button in the bottom left corner without a VoiceOver prompt, you can run this without headphones. Alternatively, if you're at home in a quiet setting you may still be able to hear VoiceOver through the lowered speaker volume and also work without headphones. Also, if you're fast at getting the iPhone to the correct height and level before you hear the buzz, and then say "Take Picture", you can work without headphones. But in general, be prepared to use headphones when you use voice control for the camera shutter.) 4) Revisiting step 3. Assuming you set your speech control on, and exited the Camera screen (e.g. by double tapping the "Cancel" button in the bottom left corner), you can start the process again, with your headphones connected. After double tapping the "Text" button (Step 1) and before double tapping the "Camera" button (Step 2), place your iPhone on the page you want to OCR using the edges of the paper to align the sides of the device. Center the iPhone so that the camera lens (top right corner as you normally hold the device) is approximately in the center of the page. (If you use a case, make sure that the back of the case does not block the camera lens). Sandy has mentioned suggestions like lightly folding the page in half length-wise and width-wise to guide positioning and aligning the iPhone, in the case of practicing with a sheet of letter paper. Make sure that you flatten the paper because failing to keep either the page or the iPhone flat when you take the pic ture will cause some of the letters to show up as tildes; this is typical if you scan a book page and haven't flattened the section near the spine enough. 5) Double tap or split tap the "Camera" button, then, using two hands to make sure you keep the iPhone level, raise it steadily up from the page to a height of about 7 to 9 inches. (Nine inches is roughly twice the length of the iPhone.) You'll feel the iPhone vibrate, and then VoiceOver will announce "auto-focused". At this point you can say "Take Picture" and hear the shutter close. (You'll probably start by lifting the iPhone too slowly to reach 7-9 inches before you feel the vibration and hear "auto focused". Say "Take Picture" anyway -- your image is more likely to be in focus. The actual distance you lift depends on the size of the page. Small billings only require about 6 or 7 inches. I practice lifting and then check the distance I've lifted an iPhone against the handspan of one hand, which for me is 7 inches, but I have small hands. 6) Double tap the "Use" button in the bottom right corner of the screen. This is the last element on the screen, so you can also just use a four finger tap on the bottom of the screen and then double tap. (I preferred the four finger swipe down, but this is the current gesture for moving tot he end of the screen.) 7) On the next screen flick right the "Next" button in the top right corner and double tap. You'll move to a screen labeled "Processing" 8) The results of the OCR will show up in an "Edit" screen which will let you review and edit your results. 9) Double tap the "Next" button in the top right corner when done. You can Save your results, or copy them, mail or upload them. Options such as copy or email are listed as buttons along the bottom of the screen. Do a three finger flick left to hear the second page of options, which include MobileMe, DropBox, etc. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Aug 18 10:00:49 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:00:49 +0100 Subject: Moving a Character at a time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74300E71-CDAC-4A0A-9280-F3ECBB4F3606@blueyonder.co.uk> One thing I have noticed with Lion, pressing control + the left arrow scrolls the entire screen to the left and reveals dashboard widgets. On 18 Aug 2011, at 09:23, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello David, > > I suspect you have Quick Nav turned on. If this is the case, you have to use VO navigation in text documents. I think you'd find it easier to turn Quick Nav off while editing text. Without quick Nav, the normal ways of doing things apply. > > Move by character - left and right arrows; > move by word - option-left and right arrows; > move by line - up and down arrows; > move to beginning or end of line - Control-left and right arrows; > move to top or bottom of document - Command-up and down arrows. > > For all the VO navigation commands, press VO-h-h and select the Navigation menu. Each command is followed by its key strokes. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 18 Aug 2011, at 07:58, David Griffith wrote: > >> This is the first mail I have sent to the Mac list using my Mac so progress is slowly being made. . However I can navigate characters by using shift plus right and left cursor arrow. This appears to highlight each character I am moving. Is there a way of moving a character at a time without selecting then text in VoiceOver? I need to practise this so a referral to tutorial or part of the Voiceover help would be good. Not immediately found though. At the moment I have to edit words by using the delete to delete backwards through whole words rather the edit them. >> >> Regards >> David Griffith >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From weavermicha at googlemail.com Thu Aug 18 10:35:18 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:35:18 +0100 Subject: prizmo on the i-phone Message-ID: <4e4cdc4c.15c7e30a.70e3.5f2c@mx.google.com> thanks for the instructions for prizmo. i will get that extra app for detecting light as mentioned. my befrender i was with the day i was trying it out does photography as a hobby so he will be able to help me with the camera itself until i get used to it. > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Anne Robertson To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Date sent: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:17:52 +0200 >Subject: Re: prizmo on the i-phone >Hello Michael, >Below are the instructions for Prizmo as posted to another list by Esther. Prizmo works very well for me and I have no sight at all. >Cheers, >Anne >One of the features that contributes to Prizmo's increased effectiveness for visually impaired users is the ability to take pictures with speech control, by saying, "Take Picture", which reduces the likelihood of a blurred image due to moving the phone when you double or split tap a button to take a picture. You turn this feature on in the Settings menu by double tapping the "Settings" button in the top right corner of the main Prizmo screen. Flick right to the "General Settings" button under the "Settings" heading and double tap. On the "General Settings" screen, flick right past the "Capture" heading and set the "Alignment Grid" to "Switch button, off", then set the "Speech Control" to "Switch button, on". I believe both switches are turned on by default, but it is several months since I configured Prizmo. I'm not sure whether turning off the "Alignment Grid" is necessary, but you certainly don't need it to be displayed, since you can't see it while using the camera. O > nce you have checked that these settings are in place, double tap the "Settings, back button" in the top left corner to return to the "Settings" screen, then double tap the "Done" button in the top right corner to return to the main Prizmo screen. >The main Prizmo screen has a list of types of documents to scan and OCR, followed by a "Documents" button at the bottom of the screen that are results you want to store in the app. In general, you will choose to double tap "Text" (the first listed entry). >The app works in 3 stages, which are indicated by the 3 buttons at the bottom of the the next ("Photo") screen: (1) Source (obtaining the image using the Camera -- can also use previous images from your photo album taken outside the app), (2) Image (options to apply corrections to image before OCR -- generally requires vision to perform actions, such as cropping to only include the part of the image that contains text or correct for distorted pictures because you didn't hold the iPhone flat), and (3) OCR (perform the OCR with an option to choose the language to improve the OCR), then display the results for editing, copying, etc. or saving in the app's stored "Documents". You can navigate through the app without ever using these buttons, just by double tapping the "Next" button in the top right corner of the screen to move through each stage, and that's probably the easiest way to use the app when you get started, especially if you only work with documents in English. How > ever, if you want to OCR a document in a different language, you can improve your results by double tapping the "OCR" button (third or three at the bottom right corner of the screen) and then flicking left to the language button (e.g., "English") in the row of option buttons for that screen, and double tapping. You'll be able to double tap another language from the list of 10 available languages. (Note that you will not hear "selected" announced beside the currently selected language in the list, but you can only exit the "Language" menu by either double tapping a new language selection or by double tapping the "Cancel" button in the top right corner. Once you have changed the language (e.g., to French) and returned to the "Photo" screen with the OCR button set, you should hear the new language, "French", announced if you flick left to that button.) Setting the OCR language before applying the "next" button improves the recognition of words with accented characters -- oth > erwise I may get a "6" for an "e" with acute accent, and other such examples. >Here's the sequence for the iPhone 4, assuming that you have configured the "Settings" menu as outlined earlier. It is very helpful to use the $0.99 "Light Detector" app to check lighting conditions and also get a sense of the optimal centering and height of the iPhone above the page before you use Prizmo. (You can hear when the "Light Detector" signal is loudest if you move the phone up and down or left/right and forwards/back with respect to the page. This only gives a rough sense of where to position the phone when you use Prizmo, but if you can't hear any difference in signal with Light Detector when you move the phone around over the page, chances are that either the background light level is too low to take a good image, or you're blocking the light source with part of your body. You should also use a headset connected to the headphone jack, since as soon as the iPhone camera is accessed in a mode that is capable of responding to your spoken "Take Picture" command t > he volume of VoiceOver through the speaker will drop, and not get restored until you exit the camera screen either by double tapping the "Use" button in the bottom right corner of the screen or the "Retake" button in the bottom left corner of the screen. >1) From the main Prizmo screen, double tap "Text" >2) On the Photo screen, flick right to the "Camera" button that is the first of the 3 "Get text from picture" source options, near the bottom of the screen, and double tap >3) On the iPhone 4 Camera screen (no heading), there are three buttons at the top: one for the "Flash" at the top left and one for "Camera Chooser" at the top right. In between is an unlabeled "Button" that toggles on and off the speech control function when the switch for that option is turned on under the "General Settings" submenu of the "Settings" menu. If the switch for the speech control option is not turned on in "Settings", this unlabeled button will not appear on the screen. If, when you enter the Camera screen, your phone does not vibrate, and VoiceOver's volume through the speaker does not immediately drop, then the ability to use speech control to take a picture by saying "Take Picture" on this screen has not been toggled on, and you will have to double tap that unlabeled button to the left of the "Camera Chooser" button to activate this function. Once you toggle on the speech control function, your iPhone should vibrate, and the volume of VoiceOver through the > speaker should immediately drop. I believe that the first time you access the Camera screen, speech control is toggled off (i.e., you can do a two finger flick down to "Read All" the controls on the screen and hear everything announced through the speaker). If you double tap the unlabeled button at the top of the screen to turn on voice control of the camera shutter, then whenever you enter the Camera screen your speaker volume will automatically be lowered, requiring use of headphones. Presumably this is to get a good trigger when you say, "Take Picture". Your speaker volume will remain lowered until you leave the Camera screen (either by double tapping the "Use" button in the bottom right corner after taking a photo, or by double tapping the "Cancel" button in the bottom left corner to leave the screen without taking a picture), or until you >toggle the speech control feature off by double tapping the unlabeled button at the top of the screen again. (Note, if you become very confident and proficient in the layout of the camera screen, so you can double tap the "Use" button in the bottom left corner without a VoiceOver prompt, you can run this without headphones. Alternatively, if you're at home in a quiet setting you may still be able to hear VoiceOver through the lowered speaker volume and also work without headphones. Also, if you're fast at getting the iPhone to the correct height and level before you hear the buzz, and then say "Take Picture", you can work without headphones. But in general, be prepared to use headphones when you use voice control for the camera shutter.) >4) Revisiting step 3. Assuming you set your speech control on, and exited the Camera screen (e.g. by double tapping the "Cancel" button in the bottom left corner), you can start the process again, with your headphones connected. After double tapping the "Text" button (Step 1) and before double tapping the "Camera" button (Step 2), place your iPhone on the page you want to OCR using the edges of the paper to align the sides of the device. Center the iPhone so that the camera lens (top right corner as you normally hold the device) is approximately in the center of the page. (If you use a case, make sure that the back of the case does not block the camera lens). Sandy has mentioned suggestions like lightly folding the page in half length-wise and width-wise to guide positioning and aligning the iPhone, in the case of practicing with a sheet of letter paper. Make sure that you flatten the paper because failing to keep either the page or the iPhone flat when you take the pic > ture will cause some of the letters to show up as tildes; this is typical if you scan a book page and haven't flattened the section near the spine enough. >5) Double tap or split tap the "Camera" button, then, using two hands to make sure you keep the iPhone level, raise it steadily up from the page to a height of about 7 to 9 inches. (Nine inches is roughly twice the length of the iPhone.) You'll feel the iPhone vibrate, and then VoiceOver will announce "auto-focused". At this point you can say "Take Picture" and hear the shutter close. (You'll probably start by lifting the iPhone too slowly to reach 7-9 inches before you feel the vibration and hear "auto focused". Say "Take Picture" anyway -- your image is more likely to be in focus. The actual distance you lift depends on the size of the page. Small billings only require about 6 or 7 inches. I practice lifting and then check the distance I've lifted an iPhone against the handspan of one hand, which for me is 7 inches, but I have small hands. >6) Double tap the "Use" button in the bottom right corner of the screen. This is the last element on the screen, so you can also just use a four finger tap on the bottom of the screen and then double tap. (I preferred the four finger swipe down, but this is the current gesture for moving tot he end of the screen.) >7) On the next screen flick right the "Next" button in the top right corner and double tap. You'll move to a screen labeled "Processing" >8) The results of the OCR will show up in an "Edit" screen which will let you review and edit your results. >9) Double tap the "Next" button in the top right corner when done. You can Save your results, or copy them, mail or upload them. Options such as copy or email are listed as buttons along the bottom of the screen. Do a three finger flick left to hear the second page of options, which include MobileMe, DropBox, etc. ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- >To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >or at the public Mail Archive: >. >Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > References: <4e4c355a.c13fd80a.7e84.495d@mx.google.com> <4EE83987-04F9-43F4-8E46-5672C6FFC02E@anarchie.org.uk> <48B48E66-1768-462B-B5BB-F89570A49C97@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Marcy, As long as the light is good, the results are extremely good. Not perfect, of course, but good enough for reading menus in restaurants or any printed material that comes through your door. It takes practice to get good results and it helps to have an iPhone 4 with its better camera, but even iPhone 3GS users have had success. Cheers, Anne On 18 Aug 2011, at 10:59, Marcy Weinberg wrote: > Hello, Ann, > > This is terrific step-by-step instructional. > > How accurate are the results Prismo returns? > > Thanks! Marcy > > On Aug 18, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: > > Hello Michael, > > Below are the instructions for Prizmo as posted to another list by Esther. Prizmo works very well for me and I have no sight at all. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > > One of the features that contributes to Prizmo's increased effectiveness for visually impaired users is the ability to take pictures with speech control, by saying, "Take Picture", which reduces the likelihood of a blurred image due to moving the phone when you double or split tap a button to take a picture. You turn this feature on in the Settings menu by double tapping the "Settings" button in the top right corner of the main Prizmo screen. Flick right to the "General Settings" button under the "Settings" heading and double tap. On the "General Settings" screen, flick right past the "Capture" heading and set the "Alignment Grid" to "Switch button, off", then set the "Speech Control" to "Switch button, on". I believe both switches are turned on by default, but it is several months since I configured Prizmo. I'm not sure whether turning off the "Alignment Grid" is necessary, but you certainly don't need it to be displayed, since you can't see it while using the camera. O > nce you have checked that these settings are in place, double tap the "Settings, back button" in the top left corner to return to the "Settings" screen, then double tap the "Done" button in the top right corner to return to the main Prizmo screen. > > The main Prizmo screen has a list of types of documents to scan and OCR, followed by a "Documents" button at the bottom of the screen that are results you want to store in the app. In general, you will choose to double tap "Text" (the first listed entry). > > The app works in 3 stages, which are indicated by the 3 buttons at the bottom of the the next ("Photo") screen: (1) Source (obtaining the image using the Camera -- can also use previous images from your photo album taken outside the app), (2) Image (options to apply corrections to image before OCR -- generally requires vision to perform actions, such as cropping to only include the part of the image that contains text or correct for distorted pictures because you didn't hold the iPhone flat), and (3) OCR (perform the OCR with an option to choose the language to improve the OCR), then display the results for editing, copying, etc. or saving in the app's stored "Documents". You can navigate through the app without ever using these buttons, just by double tapping the "Next" button in the top right corner of the screen to move through each stage, and that's probably the easiest way to use the app when you get started, especially if you only work with documents in English. How > ever, if you want to OCR a document in a different language, you can improve your results by double tapping the "OCR" button (third or three at the bottom right corner of the screen) and then flicking left to the language button (e.g., "English") in the row of option buttons for that screen, and double tapping. You'll be able to double tap another language from the list of 10 available languages. (Note that you will not hear "selected" announced beside the currently selected language in the list, but you can only exit the "Language" menu by either double tapping a new language selection or by double tapping the "Cancel" button in the top right corner. Once you have changed the language (e.g., to French) and returned to the "Photo" screen with the OCR button set, you should hear the new language, "French", announced if you flick left to that button.) Setting the OCR language before applying the "next" button improves the recognition of words with accented characters -- oth > erwise I may get a "6" for an "e" with acute accent, and other such examples. > > Here's the sequence for the iPhone 4, assuming that you have configured the "Settings" menu as outlined earlier. It is very helpful to use the $0.99 "Light Detector" app to check lighting conditions and also get a sense of the optimal centering and height of the iPhone above the page before you use Prizmo. (You can hear when the "Light Detector" signal is loudest if you move the phone up and down or left/right and forwards/back with respect to the page. This only gives a rough sense of where to position the phone when you use Prizmo, but if you can't hear any difference in signal with Light Detector when you move the phone around over the page, chances are that either the background light level is too low to take a good image, or you're blocking the light source with part of your body. You should also use a headset connected to the headphone jack, since as soon as the iPhone camera is accessed in a mode that is capable of responding to your spoken "Take Picture" command t > he volume of VoiceOver through the speaker will drop, and not get restored until you exit the camera screen either by double tapping the "Use" button in the bottom right corner of the screen or the "Retake" button in the bottom left corner of the screen. > > 1) From the main Prizmo screen, double tap "Text" > 2) On the Photo screen, flick right to the "Camera" button that is the first of the 3 "Get text from picture" source options, near the bottom of the screen, and double tap > 3) On the iPhone 4 Camera screen (no heading), there are three buttons at the top: one for the "Flash" at the top left and one for "Camera Chooser" at the top right. In between is an unlabeled "Button" that toggles on and off the speech control function when the switch for that option is turned on under the "General Settings" submenu of the "Settings" menu. If the switch for the speech control option is not turned on in "Settings", this unlabeled button will not appear on the screen. If, when you enter the Camera screen, your phone does not vibrate, and VoiceOver's volume through the speaker does not immediately drop, then the ability to use speech control to take a picture by saying "Take Picture" on this screen has not been toggled on, and you will have to double tap that unlabeled button to the left of the "Camera Chooser" button to activate this function. Once you toggle on the speech control function, your iPhone should vibrate, and the volume of VoiceOver through the > speaker should immediately drop. I believe that the first time you access the Camera screen, speech control is toggled off (i.e., you can do a two finger flick down to "Read All" the controls on the screen and hear everything announced through the speaker). If you double tap the unlabeled button at the top of the screen to turn on voice control of the camera shutter, then whenever you enter the Camera screen your speaker volume will automatically be lowered, requiring use of headphones. Presumably this is to get a good trigger when you say, "Take Picture". Your speaker volume will remain lowered until you leave the Camera screen (either by double tapping the "Use" button in the bottom right corner after taking a photo, or by double tapping the "Cancel" button in the bottom left corner to leave the screen without taking a picture), or until you > toggle the speech control feature off by double tapping the unlabeled button at the top of the screen again. (Note, if you become very confident and proficient in the layout of the camera screen, so you can double tap the "Use" button in the bottom left corner without a VoiceOver prompt, you can run this without headphones. Alternatively, if you're at home in a quiet setting you may still be able to hear VoiceOver through the lowered speaker volume and also work without headphones. Also, if you're fast at getting the iPhone to the correct height and level before you hear the buzz, and then say "Take Picture", you can work without headphones. But in general, be prepared to use headphones when you use voice control for the camera shutter.) > 4) Revisiting step 3. Assuming you set your speech control on, and exited the Camera screen (e.g. by double tapping the "Cancel" button in the bottom left corner), you can start the process again, with your headphones connected. After double tapping the "Text" button (Step 1) and before double tapping the "Camera" button (Step 2), place your iPhone on the page you want to OCR using the edges of the paper to align the sides of the device. Center the iPhone so that the camera lens (top right corner as you normally hold the device) is approximately in the center of the page. (If you use a case, make sure that the back of the case does not block the camera lens). Sandy has mentioned suggestions like lightly folding the page in half length-wise and width-wise to guide positioning and aligning the iPhone, in the case of practicing with a sheet of letter paper. Make sure that you flatten the paper because failing to keep either the page or the iPhone flat when you take the pic > ture will cause some of the letters to show up as tildes; this is typical if you scan a book page and haven't flattened the section near the spine enough. > 5) Double tap or split tap the "Camera" button, then, using two hands to make sure you keep the iPhone level, raise it steadily up from the page to a height of about 7 to 9 inches. (Nine inches is roughly twice the length of the iPhone.) You'll feel the iPhone vibrate, and then VoiceOver will announce "auto-focused". At this point you can say "Take Picture" and hear the shutter close. (You'll probably start by lifting the iPhone too slowly to reach 7-9 inches before you feel the vibration and hear "auto focused". Say "Take Picture" anyway -- your image is more likely to be in focus. The actual distance you lift depends on the size of the page. Small billings only require about 6 or 7 inches. I practice lifting and then check the distance I've lifted an iPhone against the handspan of one hand, which for me is 7 inches, but I have small hands. > 6) Double tap the "Use" button in the bottom right corner of the screen. This is the last element on the screen, so you can also just use a four finger tap on the bottom of the screen and then double tap. (I preferred the four finger swipe down, but this is the current gesture for moving tot he end of the screen.) > 7) On the next screen flick right the "Next" button in the top right corner and double tap. You'll move to a screen labeled "Processing" > 8) The results of the OCR will show up in an "Edit" screen which will let you review and edit your results. > 9) Double tap the "Next" button in the top right corner when done. You can Save your results, or copy them, mail or upload them. Options such as copy or email are listed as buttons along the bottom of the screen. Do a three finger flick left to hear the second page of options, which include MobileMe, DropBox, etc. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From anne at anarchie.org.uk Thu Aug 18 10:44:29 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 11:44:29 +0200 Subject: Moving a Character at a time In-Reply-To: <74300E71-CDAC-4A0A-9280-F3ECBB4F3606@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <74300E71-CDAC-4A0A-9280-F3ECBB4F3606@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Hello Chris, You can disable that annoying feature in System Preferences. Just uncheck everything to do with Mission Control and Expos?. In the Mission control pane, set everything to "-". After that, Control-Left and right arrows work fine. Cheers, Anne On 18 Aug 2011, at 11:00, Chris Moore wrote: > One thing I have noticed with Lion, pressing control + the left arrow scrolls the entire screen to the left and reveals dashboard widgets. > On 18 Aug 2011, at 09:23, Anne Robertson wrote: > >> Hello David, >> >> I suspect you have Quick Nav turned on. If this is the case, you have to use VO navigation in text documents. I think you'd find it easier to turn Quick Nav off while editing text. Without quick Nav, the normal ways of doing things apply. >> >> Move by character - left and right arrows; >> move by word - option-left and right arrows; >> move by line - up and down arrows; >> move to beginning or end of line - Control-left and right arrows; >> move to top or bottom of document - Command-up and down arrows. >> >> For all the VO navigation commands, press VO-h-h and select the Navigation menu. Each command is followed by its key strokes. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >> On 18 Aug 2011, at 07:58, David Griffith wrote: >> >>> This is the first mail I have sent to the Mac list using my Mac so progress is slowly being made. . However I can navigate characters by using shift plus right and left cursor arrow. This appears to highlight each character I am moving. Is there a way of moving a character at a time without selecting then text in VoiceOver? I need to practise this so a referral to tutorial or part of the Voiceover help would be good. Not immediately found though. At the moment I have to edit words by using the delete to delete backwards through whole words rather the edit them. >>> >>> Regards >>> David Griffith >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From d.griffith at btinternet.com Thu Aug 18 10:56:21 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 10:56:21 +0100 Subject: Moving a Character at a time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9C8937B9751F47B9A9D2501CBE990055@6ffd52c138504d6> This was indeed the case. I had quick nav keys on. I thought they only applied to the Web. I tried to email when I discovered this a couple of hours ago but was getting mailer error return messages on the Mac. I have therefore switched to the PC for the time being. Regards David Griffith I have come back onto -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 09:24 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Moving a Character at a time Hello David, I suspect you have Quick Nav turned on. If this is the case, you have to use VO navigation in text documents. I think you'd find it easier to turn Quick Nav off while editing text. Without quick Nav, the normal ways of doing things apply. Move by character - left and right arrows; move by word - option-left and right arrows; move by line - up and down arrows; move to beginning or end of line - Control-left and right arrows; move to top or bottom of document - Command-up and down arrows. For all the VO navigation commands, press VO-h-h and select the Navigation menu. Each command is followed by its key strokes. Cheers, Anne On 18 Aug 2011, at 07:58, David Griffith wrote: > This is the first mail I have sent to the Mac list using my Mac so progress is slowly being made. . However I can navigate characters by using shift plus right and left cursor arrow. This appears to highlight each character I am moving. Is there a way of moving a character at a time without selecting then text in VoiceOver? I need to practise this so a referral to tutorial or part of the Voiceover help would be good. Not immediately found though. At the moment I have to edit words by using the delete to delete backwards through whole words rather the edit them. > > Regards > David Griffith > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6386 (20110817) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6386 (20110817) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Thu Aug 18 11:10:28 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy Duffy) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 06:10:28 -0400 Subject: Turning on the I-Mac In-Reply-To: <643459DA8B424FE8883D68E27EC971A3@6ffd52c138504d6> References: <643459DA8B424FE8883D68E27EC971A3@6ffd52c138504d6> Message-ID: <22CFB69A-0DED-47AE-AECD-A181B3F257DF@nc.rr.com> I'm sure this must have been answered long ago, but with my Imac it's on the back of the machine and on the left extreme of the back at that. Hope you got your machine going and that all is well. Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. tracyduffy at nc.rr.com On Aug 15, 2011, at 8:01 AM, David Griffith wrote: > Dear list > > Sorry for this most basic of questions. > > I have just taken delivery of my I-Mac. > I have connected the keyboard and plugged the mains but cannot feel where > the power on switch is. > There is a round smooth circle below the centre of the monitor but this does > not depress. Touching it or holding a finger down on it does not appear to > turn on the machine. > > Before I start trying to scan the manuals on my PC is there anybody who can > simply tell me how to turn the I-Mac on? > > Regards > > David Griffith > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6378 (20110815) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Thu Aug 18 11:32:35 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy Duffy) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 06:32:35 -0400 Subject: Getting voiceover to tell the time and date In-Reply-To: <288A7E35-7928-41CE-A9A8-5914FBA8EBFF@charter.net> References: <288A7E35-7928-41CE-A9A8-5914FBA8EBFF@charter.net> Message-ID: <4737A2F5-91E3-4B69-8D51-83912AA6A78F@nc.rr.com> Thank you Mike. This works well for me as I'm using the Apple blue tooth keyboard and don't use the keyboard commander. I like this answer very much. Much appreciated! Blessed are the flexible, for they shall not get bent out of shape. tracyduffy at nc.rr.com On Aug 16, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > The way I do this is, press control F8, this is actually a mac command to go to the status menus, then press the left arrow key to move to the clock, press escape to leave the menu after hearing the time. > On Aug 16, 2011, at 9:58 AM, David Griffith wrote: > >> >> Dear list >> >> Is there a keystroke to make Voiceover tell the time and date? >> >> Many thanks >> >> David Griffith >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >> database 6380 (20110815) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >> database 6382 (20110816) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >> database 6382 (20110816) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Aug 18 11:53:06 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 11:53:06 +0100 Subject: Moving a Character at a time In-Reply-To: <9C8937B9751F47B9A9D2501CBE990055@6ffd52c138504d6> References: <9C8937B9751F47B9A9D2501CBE990055@6ffd52c138504d6> Message-ID: <29ED652B-38AD-4B3E-8E9D-A4E69B174685@blueyonder.co.uk> If you like using quick nav, then you could set it up as a activity for Safari. This would mean that when you are not using Safari, quick nav would be turned off and it would save you having to remember to turn quick nav off when not using Safari. On 18 Aug 2011, at 10:56, David Griffith wrote: > This was indeed the case. I had quick nav keys on. I thought they only > applied to the Web. > I tried to email when I discovered this a couple of hours ago but was > getting mailer error return messages on the Mac. I have therefore switched > to the PC for the time being. > > Regards > > David Griffith > I have come back onto > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson > Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 09:24 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Moving a Character at a time > > Hello David, > > I suspect you have Quick Nav turned on. If this is the case, you have to use > VO navigation in text documents. I think you'd find it easier to turn Quick > Nav off while editing text. Without quick Nav, the normal ways of doing > things apply. > > Move by character - left and right arrows; > move by word - option-left and right arrows; > move by line - up and down arrows; > move to beginning or end of line - Control-left and right arrows; > move to top or bottom of document - Command-up and down arrows. > > For all the VO navigation commands, press VO-h-h and select the Navigation > menu. Each command is followed by its key strokes. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 18 Aug 2011, at 07:58, David Griffith wrote: > >> This is the first mail I have sent to the Mac list using my Mac so > progress is slowly being made. . However I can navigate characters by using > shift plus right and left cursor arrow. This appears to highlight each > character I am moving. Is there a way of moving a character at a time > without selecting then text in VoiceOver? I need to practise this so a > referral to tutorial or part of the Voiceover help would be good. Not > immediately found though. At the moment I have to edit words by using the > delete to delete backwards through whole words rather the edit them. >> >> Regards >> David Griffith >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6386 (20110817) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6386 (20110817) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Aug 18 11:53:40 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 11:53:40 +0100 Subject: Moving a Character at a time In-Reply-To: References: <74300E71-CDAC-4A0A-9280-F3ECBB4F3606@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Bless ya, yes it was annoying me. I will go and do that now. Chris On 18 Aug 2011, at 10:44, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Chris, > > You can disable that annoying feature in System Preferences. Just uncheck everything to do with Mission Control and Expos?. In the Mission control pane, set everything to "-". After that, Control-Left and right arrows work fine. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 18 Aug 2011, at 11:00, Chris Moore wrote: > >> One thing I have noticed with Lion, pressing control + the left arrow scrolls the entire screen to the left and reveals dashboard widgets. >> On 18 Aug 2011, at 09:23, Anne Robertson wrote: >> >>> Hello David, >>> >>> I suspect you have Quick Nav turned on. If this is the case, you have to use VO navigation in text documents. I think you'd find it easier to turn Quick Nav off while editing text. Without quick Nav, the normal ways of doing things apply. >>> >>> Move by character - left and right arrows; >>> move by word - option-left and right arrows; >>> move by line - up and down arrows; >>> move to beginning or end of line - Control-left and right arrows; >>> move to top or bottom of document - Command-up and down arrows. >>> >>> For all the VO navigation commands, press VO-h-h and select the Navigation menu. Each command is followed by its key strokes. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> >>> On 18 Aug 2011, at 07:58, David Griffith wrote: >>> >>>> This is the first mail I have sent to the Mac list using my Mac so progress is slowly being made. . However I can navigate characters by using shift plus right and left cursor arrow. This appears to highlight each character I am moving. Is there a way of moving a character at a time without selecting then text in VoiceOver? I need to practise this so a referral to tutorial or part of the Voiceover help would be good. Not immediately found though. At the moment I have to edit words by using the delete to delete backwards through whole words rather the edit them. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> David Griffith >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From smur7241 at bigpond.net.au Thu Aug 18 13:00:18 2011 From: smur7241 at bigpond.net.au (Sean Murphy) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 22:00:18 +1000 Subject: Lion Mail, hiding read messages. Message-ID: <89242F30-9A46-42B1-AF8B-68F5FC328F4C@bigpond.net.au> Hi All. How can I hide read messages? Also how do you get rid of the prev-window? Sean From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Aug 18 15:14:39 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 15:14:39 +0100 Subject: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View] Message-ID: <459D7A99-3499-4AAE-BDB4-A69E3C3E1F04@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Gordon has just finished upgrading his 2.26 GHZ Intel Core 2 Duo (Mid 2009) MacBook Pro from 4 to 8GB of RAM, courtesy of the very reasonable memory prices at Crucial.com. So we put it to the test to see if there was any difference that was noticeable between how it performed with 4GB and how it now does with 8GB. We started first opening several applications at once, all using full screen mode under Lion. Previously when we did this, we would notice some jitter. Well I say we, I should say I. But VoiceOver would also stammer and stutter quite a lot in those circumstances. (We;re using the iVox voices). Now, however, with 8GB of physical RAM, the entire process is slick and smooth. Even Rachel didn't stammer and stutter as she usually does when we tried this experiment. So my conclusion is that the upgrade is very well worth while as long as you get the correct memory for your device. Actually the 1067 MHZ PC3 DDR3 memory that our 13-Inch MacBook Pro uses is quite a bit cheaper at Crucial than the latest 1333 MHZ RAM is; I know that because I bought some of the faster memory earlier this week for one of our servers. So in summary, I now agree with those who advocate that the more memory you have, (although there must be a ceiling beyond which further upgrades are pointless), the better. I personally can tell the difference between how our machine was and how it is now. We are expecting delivery of a new 17-inch machine from Gordon's work place shortly. That one has 8GB of RAM and an Intel I7 quad core processor which, I think, runs at 2.7 GHZ. So it will be interesting to see the performance difference there. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Aug 18 16:03:55 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 16:03:55 +0100 Subject: Lion Mail, hiding read messages. In-Reply-To: <89242F30-9A46-42B1-AF8B-68F5FC328F4C@bigpond.net.au> References: <89242F30-9A46-42B1-AF8B-68F5FC328F4C@bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <92E80221-1622-4F0D-A35C-4139D6DD3572@mac-access.net> hello Sean I don't think you can hide messages you've read. But getting rid of the preview window; here's how I think it's done with VoiceOver. Interact with the splitter next to the Preview window and drag the size down to 0. Then you have to do a physical mouse click on that splitter I think. Move the mouse pointer to the splitter using Command+VO+F5 and then use the trackpad to click it. That's just from memory; but I think it works. Lynne On 18 Aug 2011, at 13:00, Sean Murphy wrote: How can I hide read messages? Also how do you get rid of the prev-window? From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Aug 18 16:09:32 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 16:09:32 +0100 Subject: Lion Mail, hiding read messages. In-Reply-To: <92E80221-1622-4F0D-A35C-4139D6DD3572@mac-access.net> References: <89242F30-9A46-42B1-AF8B-68F5FC328F4C@bigpond.net.au> <92E80221-1622-4F0D-A35C-4139D6DD3572@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <85D91200-5BFF-40EC-B3CF-B08010042A4B@blueyonder.co.uk> If you are using the new layout, you can go to preferences and set list preview to none. There is not a hide read mail filter, I believe this could be done in Outlook Express. If you want something similar, you could always sort the messages by unread. Your unread messages then would appear at the top of the list first. Chris On 18 Aug 2011, at 16:03, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > hello Sean > > I don't think you can hide messages you've read. But getting rid of the preview window; here's how I think it's done with VoiceOver. > > Interact with the splitter next to the Preview window and drag the size down to 0. Then you have to do a physical mouse click on that splitter I think. Move the mouse pointer to the splitter using Command+VO+F5 and then use the trackpad to click it. That's just from memory; but I think it works. > > Lynne > > On 18 Aug 2011, at 13:00, Sean Murphy wrote: > > How can I hide read messages? > > Also how do you get rid of the prev-window? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Aug 18 17:01:50 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:01:50 +0100 Subject: Lion Mail, hiding read messages. In-Reply-To: <85D91200-5BFF-40EC-B3CF-B08010042A4B@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <89242F30-9A46-42B1-AF8B-68F5FC328F4C@bigpond.net.au> <92E80221-1622-4F0D-A35C-4139D6DD3572@mac-access.net> <85D91200-5BFF-40EC-B3CF-B08010042A4B@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Chris You know, the one thing I'm consistently asking Apple for is a means of turning on/off, on an individual message basic and so regardless of the layout, the generation of read receipts for a message. That way one could set "important" messages to having been read, generate a RR so that you know. Gordon On 18 Aug 2011, at 16:09, Chris Moore wrote: If you are using the new layout, you can go to preferences and set list preview to none. From tsiegel at softcon.com Thu Aug 18 23:51:35 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 18:51:35 -0400 Subject: app question In-Reply-To: <485474BB-C6F2-4616-8589-7934856F0C6F@gmail.com> References: <485474BB-C6F2-4616-8589-7934856F0C6F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <71720974-DE70-406F-8BC9-DD86A583AE11@softcon.com> On Aug 16, 2011, at 5:35 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > Is there an app similar to audiohijack pro, but for the IOS devices? I don't know of a program similar to audio hijack for ios devices, though I do know several programs have some of the functionality (I've seen requests on the ios apple list asking how to do similar things) What these programs are, and are they accessible is a question I cannot answer, but I'd wager the functionality has been rolled into a more full featured app, so there's probably no way to track such a feature. However, if anyone discovers such an app, I'd certainly like to hear about it. From n0oxy at charter.net Fri Aug 19 02:19:21 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 20:19:21 -0500 Subject: Moving a Character at a time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can just use the arrow keys to move by caracter. To move by word, hold the option key while using the left and right arrow keys. Note that voiceover reads things here a bit differently than how windows screen readers read. When you press right arrow, then press left, you will hear the same character, this is because your cursor is actually in between characters and so voiceover is reading the character the cursor is passing over. The windows screen readers read the character to the right of the cursor, which in some ways really isn't accurate. On Aug 18, 2011, at 12:58 AM, David Griffith wrote: > This is the first mail I have sent to the Mac list using my Mac so progress is slowly being made. . However I can navigate characters by using shift plus right and left cursor arrow. This appears to highlight each character I am moving. Is there a way of moving a character at a time without selecting then text in VoiceOver? I need to practise this so a referral to tutorial or part of the Voiceover help would be good. Not immediately found though. At the moment I have to edit words by using the delete to delete backwards through whole words rather the edit them. > > Regards > David Griffith > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 03:17:56 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 19:17:56 -0700 Subject: Moving a Character at a time In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can change that in the vo utility. I have done this to make it easier and to bring back the old days of typing lol! On Aug 18, 2011, at 6:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > You can just use the arrow keys to move by caracter. To move by word, hold the option key while using the left and right arrow keys. Note that voiceover reads things here a bit differently than how windows screen readers read. When you press right arrow, then press left, you will hear the same character, this is because your cursor is actually in between characters and so voiceover is reading the character the cursor is passing over. The windows screen readers read the character to the right of the cursor, which in some ways really isn't accurate. > On Aug 18, 2011, at 12:58 AM, David Griffith wrote: > >> This is the first mail I have sent to the Mac list using my Mac so progress is slowly being made. . However I can navigate characters by using shift plus right and left cursor arrow. This appears to highlight each character I am moving. Is there a way of moving a character at a time without selecting then text in VoiceOver? I need to practise this so a referral to tutorial or part of the Voiceover help would be good. Not immediately found though. At the moment I have to edit words by using the delete to delete backwards through whole words rather the edit them. >> >> Regards >> David Griffith >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordonkeen at googlemail.com Fri Aug 19 10:12:13 2011 From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:12:13 +0100 Subject: Useful OS X keyboard shortcuts for troubleshooting | MacFixIt - CNET Reviews Message-ID: <48FCC70A-FA87-4F5A-81E0-9898E9509552@googlemail.com> Hi Here's a useful article to keep handy: http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-20094207-263/useful-os-x-keyboard-shortcuts-for-troubleshooting/?part=rss&tag=feed&subj=MacFixIt Regards G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Fri Aug 19 10:23:10 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 19:23:10 +1000 Subject: accessible mud cliants for mac Message-ID: <8D01B122-9CAF-48BA-9F98-F7A5825E6CDD@bluebottle.com> does any one know if there are any accessible mud cliants for the mac that you don't need to use terminal for that you can have sound in as well as i play a game called altered and it is a mud thanks any help would be nice cheers From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Fri Aug 19 11:08:15 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:08:15 +0100 Subject: accessible mud cliants for mac In-Reply-To: <8D01B122-9CAF-48BA-9F98-F7A5825E6CDD@bluebottle.com> References: <8D01B122-9CAF-48BA-9F98-F7A5825E6CDD@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: <09890569-802B-474E-A527-9E452BF5EE6B@googlemail.com> hi yep that is something i've been looking for for a long time. ian mcnamara From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Aug 19 11:19:19 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 11:19:19 +0100 Subject: Overlapping windows Message-ID: <154C5ABA-E73B-4451-90B7-F0B7946ADDE7@mac-access.net> hi all I'm having a bit of a problem, wonder if anybody can help. I'm trying to get somebody with vision to give me a hand to import some certificate files. You need to drag & drop these files into two boxes within the software but the problem is that there seem to be windows on top of windows and we cannot move them so that the boxes are clearly visible. I'm a bit confused because the only thing I have open is the Finder, but my helper still insists that he can't see the windows properly. Any thoughts and suggestions as to how to shift these would be appreciated. Gordon From kc4gfr at aol.com Fri Aug 19 12:05:39 2011 From: kc4gfr at aol.com (Randy Stegall) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 07:05:39 -0400 Subject: Overlapping windows In-Reply-To: <154C5ABA-E73B-4451-90B7-F0B7946ADDE7@mac-access.net> References: <154C5ABA-E73B-4451-90B7-F0B7946ADDE7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Gordon, What software are you using? You have me curious , my friend. Randy Stegall kc4gfr at aol.com Sent from my Mac Mini. On Aug 19, 2011, at 6:19 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > hi all > > I'm having a bit of a problem, wonder if anybody can help. I'm trying to get somebody with vision to give me a hand to import some certificate files. You need to drag & drop these files into two boxes within the software but the problem is that there seem to be windows on top of windows and we cannot move them so that the boxes are clearly visible. > > I'm a bit confused because the only thing I have open is the Finder, but my helper still insists that he can't see the windows properly. Any thoughts and suggestions as to how to shift these would be appreciated. > > Gordon > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 12:14:29 2011 From: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com (Maria, Joe and Karly) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:14:29 +1000 Subject: Shopping Apps For Iphone/Ipad In-Reply-To: <3175D457-D366-4492-BE72-576065555F55@internode.on.net> References: <3175D457-D366-4492-BE72-576065555F55@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4E4E4595.8090708@gmail.com> hi dane is it just called woolworths? i think i need this app. Maria and Karly from Australia Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward twitter bubbygirl skype: bubbygirl1972 msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com please check out www.powerradio104.com PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN www.tafn.org.uk my groups BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com On 18/08/2011 6:35 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi Everyone! > > So you do your grocery shopping every week and you want to be absolutely organized? Then here's the best app I've seen to help you "organize" your shopping and its free! > > Note that the Woolworths app is only available in Australia as far as I know. > > This app does everything you'd expect a shoppers helper to do and far more. Firstly, it can locate your nearest store and thus will display the local stores product catalogue and appropriate weekly specials if any, you can then browse all of these and add what you want to your shopping list where you can edit, manipulate by increasing or decreasing the amount of an item or items required, email your list to someone or an address in your contacts list etc. > > The app is fully accessible with Voiceover with plenty of help screens and tips available should you find yourself lost in the software. > > The app tells in where to find items, for example if you add a kilo of apples to your shopping list of a particular type, the Woolworths app will tell you in what row to look and this is displayed in your shopping list so you can send someone down to the supermarket and they'll know exactly where to find an item. > > Have some products in your pan tree you wish to order again but can't remember what the label says so you've no idea what to search for? No problem, the Woolworths app has an in-built bar code scanner, take the product from the pan tree, scan the bar code and the app will identify the product where upon you can add it to your shopping list. > > I see wonderful potential for this app and full marks to the developers for what they've achieved with the app thus far, pity you can't order a delivery but perhaps that will come in the future. > > In short 2 words sum up my feelings regarding the Woolworths App, "Most Impressive". > > > > Sent from my iPad > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Aug 19 12:15:43 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:15:43 +0100 Subject: Overlapping windows In-Reply-To: References: <154C5ABA-E73B-4451-90B7-F0B7946ADDE7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Randy The software is Apple's Server admin tool, but the Finder or something is getting in the way. It's irritating because obviously VoiceOver doesn't care where the windows are. On 19 Aug 2011, at 12:05, Randy Stegall wrote: What software are you using? You have me curious , my friend. From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Aug 19 12:34:17 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:34:17 +1000 Subject: Shopping Apps For Iphone/Ipad In-Reply-To: <4E4E4595.8090708@gmail.com> References: <3175D457-D366-4492-BE72-576065555F55@internode.on.net> <4E4E4595.8090708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <37B9AF42-EDB5-4B98-B72F-E679693C01D4@internode.on.net> Yep, just for Woolworths as far as I know. Regarding the delivery of groceries which the online Woolworths store at handles, I rang their customer support today and yep, they're working on integrating the online store with the app but there's one big problem Woolworths has to address, the app deals with the local store in your area - as determined by your GPS location - and the online business is a totally separate game so I guess we can only wait to see what happens. On 19/08/2011, at 9:14 PM, Maria, Joe and Karly wrote: > hi dane is it just called woolworths? > > i think i need this app. > > > > > Maria and Karly from Australia > > Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward > twitter bubbygirl > skype: bubbygirl1972 > msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com > please check out > www.powerradio104.com > PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN > www.tafn.org.uk > my groups > BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com > http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat > shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > On 18/08/2011 6:35 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> Hi Everyone! >> >> So you do your grocery shopping every week and you want to be absolutely organized? Then here's the best app I've seen to help you "organize" your shopping and its free! >> >> Note that the Woolworths app is only available in Australia as far as I know. >> >> This app does everything you'd expect a shoppers helper to do and far more. Firstly, it can locate your nearest store and thus will display the local stores product catalogue and appropriate weekly specials if any, you can then browse all of these and add what you want to your shopping list where you can edit, manipulate by increasing or decreasing the amount of an item or items required, email your list to someone or an address in your contacts list etc. >> >> The app is fully accessible with Voiceover with plenty of help screens and tips available should you find yourself lost in the software. >> >> The app tells in where to find items, for example if you add a kilo of apples to your shopping list of a particular type, the Woolworths app will tell you in what row to look and this is displayed in your shopping list so you can send someone down to the supermarket and they'll know exactly where to find an item. >> >> Have some products in your pan tree you wish to order again but can't remember what the label says so you've no idea what to search for? No problem, the Woolworths app has an in-built bar code scanner, take the product from the pan tree, scan the bar code and the app will identify the product where upon you can add it to your shopping list. >> >> I see wonderful potential for this app and full marks to the developers for what they've achieved with the app thus far, pity you can't order a delivery but perhaps that will come in the future. >> >> In short 2 words sum up my feelings regarding the Woolworths App, "Most Impressive". >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Fri Aug 19 12:41:11 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:41:11 +0100 Subject: Overlapping windows In-Reply-To: References: <154C5ABA-E73B-4451-90B7-F0B7946ADDE7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0D0BAE2F-DE97-4CB1-8F1D-3BC4AB293202@virginmedia.com> Hi Gordon! I do not know if this will help or indeed if you've already tried it! But command+` will cycle through windows!And I suppose you've also tried vo+f2 f2 on american layouts ` is next to the number 1 but on mine [and should be on yours] to the left of Z And of course I'm still on SL and not a server! :] Colin On 19 Aug 2011, at 12:15, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello Randy > > The software is Apple's Server admin tool, but the Finder or something is getting in the way. It's irritating because obviously VoiceOver doesn't care where the windows are. > > On 19 Aug 2011, at 12:05, Randy Stegall wrote: > > What software are you using? You have me curious , my friend. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From kc4gfr at aol.com Fri Aug 19 12:45:38 2011 From: kc4gfr at aol.com (Randy Stegall) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 07:45:38 -0400 Subject: Overlapping windows In-Reply-To: References: <154C5ABA-E73B-4451-90B7-F0B7946ADDE7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <07B16BE7-CED1-4BB2-A831-5697A626A48F@aol.com> I take it that you have tried to hide the Finder? You may have to drag and drop the certificates with the mouse or trackpad not using VO commands. In my case I drag and drop sometimes with the magic trackpad and have VO announce the item the pointer is over thereby giving me the needed feedback. Have you tried using the window or application chooser? This works especially well when I have multiple Finder windows open. Hth, Randy Stegall kc4gfr at aol.com Sent from my Mac Mini. On Aug 19, 2011, at 7:15 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello Randy > > The software is Apple's Server admin tool, but the Finder or something is getting in the way. It's irritating because obviously VoiceOver doesn't care where the windows are. > > On 19 Aug 2011, at 12:05, Randy Stegall wrote: > > What software are you using? You have me curious , my friend. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Aug 19 12:53:56 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:53:56 +0100 Subject: Overlapping windows In-Reply-To: <0D0BAE2F-DE97-4CB1-8F1D-3BC4AB293202@virginmedia.com> References: <154C5ABA-E73B-4451-90B7-F0B7946ADDE7@mac-access.net> <0D0BAE2F-DE97-4CB1-8F1D-3BC4AB293202@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <87EBA03A-4D03-41F3-B518-5996AB0A03FB@mac-access.net> Hi Colin No, I don't think you quite understand. I'm not talking about moving through the windows, that's easy. The problem is that the person who is trying to help me can't visually see the items he needs to be able to see because there are apparently windows overlying windows. This has absolutely nothing to do with VoiceOver. In fact, VO isn't even running at the time. Thanks for the attempt though. Gordon On 19 Aug 2011, at 12:41, Red.Falcon wrote: Hi Gordon! I do not know if this will help or indeed if you've already tried it! But command+` will cycle through windows!And I suppose you've also tried vo+f2 f2 on american layouts ` is next to the number 1 but on mine [and should be on yours] to the left of Z And of course I'm still on SL and not a server! :] Colin On 19 Aug 2011, at 12:15, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello Randy > > The software is Apple's Server admin tool, but the Finder or something is getting in the way. It's irritating because obviously VoiceOver doesn't care where the windows are. > > On 19 Aug 2011, at 12:05, Randy Stegall wrote: > > What software are you using? You have me curious , my friend. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Aug 19 12:56:42 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:56:42 +0100 Subject: Overlapping windows In-Reply-To: <07B16BE7-CED1-4BB2-A831-5697A626A48F@aol.com> References: <154C5ABA-E73B-4451-90B7-F0B7946ADDE7@mac-access.net> <07B16BE7-CED1-4BB2-A831-5697A626A48F@aol.com> Message-ID: <13AFC583-3A01-4A8D-8858-03807953C7DC@mac-access.net> Hi Randy You can't do this with VoiceOver, that's the whole point. VO doesn't even see the relevant boxers. So no Vo solution is going to work I'm afraid. You have to literally drag & drop them using the trackpad. VoiceOver has to be turned off at the time or it gets in the way. Gordon On 19 Aug 2011, at 12:45, Randy Stegall wrote: I take it that you have tried to hide the Finder? You may have to drag and drop the certificates with the mouse or trackpad not using VO commands. In my case I drag and drop sometimes with the magic trackpad and have VO announce the item the pointer is over thereby giving me the needed feedback. Have you tried using the window or application chooser? This works especially well when I have multiple Finder windows open. Hth, Randy Stegall kc4gfr at aol.com Sent from my Mac Mini. On Aug 19, 2011, at 7:15 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello Randy > > The software is Apple's Server admin tool, but the Finder or something is getting in the way. It's irritating because obviously VoiceOver doesn't care where the windows are. > > On 19 Aug 2011, at 12:05, Randy Stegall wrote: > > What software are you using? You have me curious , my friend. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 12:58:53 2011 From: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com (Maria, Joe and Karly) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:58:53 +1000 Subject: Shopping Apps For Iphone/Ipad In-Reply-To: <3175D457-D366-4492-BE72-576065555F55@internode.on.net> References: <3175D457-D366-4492-BE72-576065555F55@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4E4E4FFD.9030004@gmail.com> thanks for this app dane. I'm looking at the catalogue and so far so good. How do you get the price read when looking at a category search though? Hmm maybe the app doesn't have the info?? If nothing else at least Ican now browse see what's available and have a better idea of what to buy. love this app. Maria and Karly from Australia Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward twitter bubbygirl skype: bubbygirl1972 msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com please check out www.powerradio104.com PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN www.tafn.org.uk my groups BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com On 18/08/2011 6:35 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi Everyone! > > So you do your grocery shopping every week and you want to be absolutely organized? Then here's the best app I've seen to help you "organize" your shopping and its free! > > Note that the Woolworths app is only available in Australia as far as I know. > > This app does everything you'd expect a shoppers helper to do and far more. Firstly, it can locate your nearest store and thus will display the local stores product catalogue and appropriate weekly specials if any, you can then browse all of these and add what you want to your shopping list where you can edit, manipulate by increasing or decreasing the amount of an item or items required, email your list to someone or an address in your contacts list etc. > > The app is fully accessible with Voiceover with plenty of help screens and tips available should you find yourself lost in the software. > > The app tells in where to find items, for example if you add a kilo of apples to your shopping list of a particular type, the Woolworths app will tell you in what row to look and this is displayed in your shopping list so you can send someone down to the supermarket and they'll know exactly where to find an item. > > Have some products in your pan tree you wish to order again but can't remember what the label says so you've no idea what to search for? No problem, the Woolworths app has an in-built bar code scanner, take the product from the pan tree, scan the bar code and the app will identify the product where upon you can add it to your shopping list. > > I see wonderful potential for this app and full marks to the developers for what they've achieved with the app thus far, pity you can't order a delivery but perhaps that will come in the future. > > In short 2 words sum up my feelings regarding the Woolworths App, "Most Impressive". > > > > Sent from my iPad > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Aug 19 12:59:37 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 21:59:37 +1000 Subject: Shopping Apps For Iphone/Ipad In-Reply-To: <4E4E4FFD.9030004@gmail.com> References: <3175D457-D366-4492-BE72-576065555F55@internode.on.net> <4E4E4FFD.9030004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1C3C5528-4404-48EE-A64D-12241CB56959@internode.on.net> Double-tap the item and you get more information on it. On 19/08/2011, at 9:58 PM, Maria, Joe and Karly wrote: > thanks for this app dane. > > I'm looking at the catalogue and so far so good. How do you get the price read when looking at a category search though? Hmm maybe the app doesn't have the info?? If nothing else at least Ican now browse see what's available and have a better idea of what to buy. > > > love this app. > > > > > Maria and Karly from Australia > > Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward > twitter bubbygirl > skype: bubbygirl1972 > msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com > please check out > www.powerradio104.com > PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN > www.tafn.org.uk > my groups > BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com > http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat > shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > On 18/08/2011 6:35 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> Hi Everyone! >> >> So you do your grocery shopping every week and you want to be absolutely organized? Then here's the best app I've seen to help you "organize" your shopping and its free! >> >> Note that the Woolworths app is only available in Australia as far as I know. >> >> This app does everything you'd expect a shoppers helper to do and far more. Firstly, it can locate your nearest store and thus will display the local stores product catalogue and appropriate weekly specials if any, you can then browse all of these and add what you want to your shopping list where you can edit, manipulate by increasing or decreasing the amount of an item or items required, email your list to someone or an address in your contacts list etc. >> >> The app is fully accessible with Voiceover with plenty of help screens and tips available should you find yourself lost in the software. >> >> The app tells in where to find items, for example if you add a kilo of apples to your shopping list of a particular type, the Woolworths app will tell you in what row to look and this is displayed in your shopping list so you can send someone down to the supermarket and they'll know exactly where to find an item. >> >> Have some products in your pan tree you wish to order again but can't remember what the label says so you've no idea what to search for? No problem, the Woolworths app has an in-built bar code scanner, take the product from the pan tree, scan the bar code and the app will identify the product where upon you can add it to your shopping list. >> >> I see wonderful potential for this app and full marks to the developers for what they've achieved with the app thus far, pity you can't order a delivery but perhaps that will come in the future. >> >> In short 2 words sum up my feelings regarding the Woolworths App, "Most Impressive". >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Fri Aug 19 13:30:29 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 13:30:29 +0100 Subject: accessible mud cliants for mac In-Reply-To: <09890569-802B-474E-A527-9E452BF5EE6B@googlemail.com> References: <8D01B122-9CAF-48BA-9F98-F7A5825E6CDD@bluebottle.com> <09890569-802B-474E-A527-9E452BF5EE6B@googlemail.com> Message-ID: Hi all! As thought not much out there! However there was talk of Atlantis so I had a look at there page! Part of the features is support for growl but how vo friendly it is [pass] and I suppose those who have mud might like to take a look! Or someone who has tried it can give there thoughts! Well here's the link to the home page! http://www.riverdark.net/atlantis/ Colin On 19 Aug 2011, at 11:08, Ian McNamara wrote: > hi yep that is something i've been looking for for a long time. > > Ian McNamara > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 14:06:57 2011 From: skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com (Kliph&Sharrie) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 08:06:57 -0500 Subject: word search? Message-ID: <7528EC07-2843-4C50-8CDA-8D621EC2AC9B@gmail.com> So, is the program word search for biblical studies accessible with Voice Over? Are you married and a Christian? Do you want to improve or save your marriage? Then come join our family of Married Christian couples at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/committed-married-christians It's for Husband's and Wives, packed with articles, resources, and discussions to help you with your lifelong unity with 1 another. I guarantee you will not regret it, and your marriage will thank you! directly subscribe here: committed-married-christians-subscribe at yahoogroups.com Hope to see you there! From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 14:14:13 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:14:13 +0200 Subject: accessible mud cliants for mac In-Reply-To: References: <8D01B122-9CAF-48BA-9F98-F7A5825E6CDD@bluebottle.com> <09890569-802B-474E-A527-9E452BF5EE6B@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <133C01CD-2778-4958-96BA-3FC1E33121BC@gmail.com> Hi Collin, I've actually tracked down at least 15 clients for the Mac. I haven't had a chance to try all of them, but I saw a page listing them all. I had it bookmarked, but my bookmarks have become scrambled, so I'll have to dig it up. However, a simple Google Search will find it, too, if you're so inclined. Some of them are not being developed anymore, but some of them are. Atlantis is actually very accessible, however because it uses Growl, it tends to speak messages as they appear and not in any orderly fashion, especially if you use the Speech display. That is the only real downside, though this is a general downside to Growl if you do use the Speech display. Regards, Nic On Aug 19, 2011, at 2:30 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi all! > As thought not much out there! > However there was talk of Atlantis so I had a look at there page! > Part of the features is support for growl but how vo friendly it is [pass] and I suppose those who have mud might like to take a look! > Or someone who has tried it can give there thoughts! > Well here's the link to the home page! > > http://www.riverdark.net/atlantis/ > > Colin > > On 19 Aug 2011, at 11:08, Ian McNamara wrote: > >> hi yep that is something i've been looking for for a long time. >> >> Ian McNamara >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From kc4gfr at aol.com Fri Aug 19 15:06:42 2011 From: kc4gfr at aol.com (Randy Stegall) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:06:42 -0400 Subject: Overlapping windows In-Reply-To: <13AFC583-3A01-4A8D-8858-03807953C7DC@mac-access.net> References: <154C5ABA-E73B-4451-90B7-F0B7946ADDE7@mac-access.net> <07B16BE7-CED1-4BB2-A831-5697A626A48F@aol.com> <13AFC583-3A01-4A8D-8858-03807953C7DC@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <3A6D5751-EFBC-4F6B-98E1-588AB330ACFA@aol.com> Gordon, That is what I thought. I have enough vision to tell that something is going on on the display but can't read the print unless vo or zoom is turned on. I take it that your assistant can't drag the offending window to one side of the screen and the window he needs to work in to the opposite side? Randy Stegall kc4gfr at aol.com Sent from my Mac Mini. On Aug 19, 2011, at 7:56 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Randy > > You can't do this with VoiceOver, that's the whole point. VO doesn't even see the relevant boxers. > > So no Vo solution is going to work I'm afraid. > > You have to literally drag & drop them using the trackpad. VoiceOver has to be turned off at the time or it gets in the way. > > Gordon > > On 19 Aug 2011, at 12:45, Randy Stegall wrote: > > I take it that you have tried to hide the Finder? You may have to drag and drop the certificates with the mouse or trackpad not using VO commands. In my case I drag and drop sometimes with the magic trackpad and have VO announce the item the pointer is over thereby giving me the needed feedback. Have you tried using the window or application chooser? This works especially well when I have multiple Finder windows open. > > Hth, > > Randy Stegall > kc4gfr at aol.com > Sent from my Mac Mini. > > On Aug 19, 2011, at 7:15 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hello Randy >> >> The software is Apple's Server admin tool, but the Finder or something is getting in the way. It's irritating because obviously VoiceOver doesn't care where the windows are. >> >> On 19 Aug 2011, at 12:05, Randy Stegall wrote: >> >> What software are you using? You have me curious , my friend. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 16:13:42 2011 From: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com (Maria, Joe and Karly) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 01:13:42 +1000 Subject: Shopping Apps For Iphone/Ipad In-Reply-To: <1C3C5528-4404-48EE-A64D-12241CB56959@internode.on.net> References: <3175D457-D366-4492-BE72-576065555F55@internode.on.net> <4E4E4FFD.9030004@gmail.com> <1C3C5528-4404-48EE-A64D-12241CB56959@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4E4E7DA6.7070508@gmail.com> HI. did that, still can't see a price. just see increase quantity, decrease quantity, a disclaimer button and where it's found in the store. I'm guessing maybe prices aren't included in the main product list because they differ slightly in the country. Maria and Karly from Australia Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward twitter bubbygirl skype: bubbygirl1972 msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com please check out www.powerradio104.com PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN www.tafn.org.uk my groups BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com On 19/08/2011 9:59 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Double-tap the item and you get more information on it. > > > On 19/08/2011, at 9:58 PM, Maria, Joe and Karly wrote: > >> thanks for this app dane. >> >> I'm looking at the catalogue and so far so good. How do you get the price read when looking at a category search though? Hmm maybe the app doesn't have the info?? If nothing else at least Ican now browse see what's available and have a better idea of what to buy. >> >> >> love this app. >> >> >> >> >> Maria and Karly from Australia >> >> Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward >> twitter bubbygirl >> skype: bubbygirl1972 >> msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com >> please check out >> www.powerradio104.com >> PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN >> www.tafn.org.uk >> my groups >> BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >> http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat >> shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >> >> >> On 18/08/2011 6:35 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> Hi Everyone! >>> >>> So you do your grocery shopping every week and you want to be absolutely organized? Then here's the best app I've seen to help you "organize" your shopping and its free! >>> >>> Note that the Woolworths app is only available in Australia as far as I know. >>> >>> This app does everything you'd expect a shoppers helper to do and far more. Firstly, it can locate your nearest store and thus will display the local stores product catalogue and appropriate weekly specials if any, you can then browse all of these and add what you want to your shopping list where you can edit, manipulate by increasing or decreasing the amount of an item or items required, email your list to someone or an address in your contacts list etc. >>> >>> The app is fully accessible with Voiceover with plenty of help screens and tips available should you find yourself lost in the software. >>> >>> The app tells in where to find items, for example if you add a kilo of apples to your shopping list of a particular type, the Woolworths app will tell you in what row to look and this is displayed in your shopping list so you can send someone down to the supermarket and they'll know exactly where to find an item. >>> >>> Have some products in your pan tree you wish to order again but can't remember what the label says so you've no idea what to search for? No problem, the Woolworths app has an in-built bar code scanner, take the product from the pan tree, scan the bar code and the app will identify the product where upon you can add it to your shopping list. >>> >>> I see wonderful potential for this app and full marks to the developers for what they've achieved with the app thus far, pity you can't order a delivery but perhaps that will come in the future. >>> >>> In short 2 words sum up my feelings regarding the Woolworths App, "Most Impressive". >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 16:14:53 2011 From: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com (Maria, Joe and Karly) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 01:14:53 +1000 Subject: Shopping Apps For Iphone/Ipad In-Reply-To: <37B9AF42-EDB5-4B98-B72F-E679693C01D4@internode.on.net> References: <3175D457-D366-4492-BE72-576065555F55@internode.on.net> <4E4E4595.8090708@gmail.com> <37B9AF42-EDB5-4B98-B72F-E679693C01D4@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4E4E7DED.50806@gmail.com> Our store still doesn't offer delivery but it's nice to be able to see what's available. Maria and Karly from Australia Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward twitter bubbygirl skype: bubbygirl1972 msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com please check out www.powerradio104.com PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN www.tafn.org.uk my groups BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com On 19/08/2011 9:34 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Yep, just for Woolworths as far as I know. > > Regarding the delivery of groceries which the online Woolworths store at handles, I rang their customer support today and yep, they're working on integrating the online store with the app but there's one big problem Woolworths has to address, the app deals with the local store in your area - as determined by your GPS location - and the online business is a totally separate game so I guess we can only wait to see what happens. > > > On 19/08/2011, at 9:14 PM, Maria, Joe and Karly wrote: > >> hi dane is it just called woolworths? >> >> i think i need this app. >> >> >> >> >> Maria and Karly from Australia >> >> Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward >> twitter bubbygirl >> skype: bubbygirl1972 >> msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com >> please check out >> www.powerradio104.com >> PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN >> www.tafn.org.uk >> my groups >> BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >> http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat >> shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >> >> >> On 18/08/2011 6:35 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> Hi Everyone! >>> >>> So you do your grocery shopping every week and you want to be absolutely organized? Then here's the best app I've seen to help you "organize" your shopping and its free! >>> >>> Note that the Woolworths app is only available in Australia as far as I know. >>> >>> This app does everything you'd expect a shoppers helper to do and far more. Firstly, it can locate your nearest store and thus will display the local stores product catalogue and appropriate weekly specials if any, you can then browse all of these and add what you want to your shopping list where you can edit, manipulate by increasing or decreasing the amount of an item or items required, email your list to someone or an address in your contacts list etc. >>> >>> The app is fully accessible with Voiceover with plenty of help screens and tips available should you find yourself lost in the software. >>> >>> The app tells in where to find items, for example if you add a kilo of apples to your shopping list of a particular type, the Woolworths app will tell you in what row to look and this is displayed in your shopping list so you can send someone down to the supermarket and they'll know exactly where to find an item. >>> >>> Have some products in your pan tree you wish to order again but can't remember what the label says so you've no idea what to search for? No problem, the Woolworths app has an in-built bar code scanner, take the product from the pan tree, scan the bar code and the app will identify the product where upon you can add it to your shopping list. >>> >>> I see wonderful potential for this app and full marks to the developers for what they've achieved with the app thus far, pity you can't order a delivery but perhaps that will come in the future. >>> >>> In short 2 words sum up my feelings regarding the Woolworths App, "Most Impressive". >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 16:55:38 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 08:55:38 -0700 Subject: Review: WD My Passport Essential portable hard drive Message-ID: I love these little drives. Wish I had one but ah well. it works. I had a chance to use one and it was whisper quiet. Review: WD My Passport Essential portable hard drive The My Passport Essential gives you plenty of hard drive space in a compact and lightweight device, making it much more convenient to keep your important information as close as your pocket. http://onj.me/104 From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Aug 19 16:59:28 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:59:28 +0100 Subject: Overlapping windows In-Reply-To: <3A6D5751-EFBC-4F6B-98E1-588AB330ACFA@aol.com> References: <154C5ABA-E73B-4451-90B7-F0B7946ADDE7@mac-access.net> <07B16BE7-CED1-4BB2-A831-5697A626A48F@aol.com> <13AFC583-3A01-4A8D-8858-03807953C7DC@mac-access.net> <3A6D5751-EFBC-4F6B-98E1-588AB330ACFA@aol.com> Message-ID: <89F16C22-090B-4061-86BB-4CFE0BE77CEB@mac-access.net> Hello Randy He doesn't know how to do that. I guess I'm going to have to get Lynne to try again when she gets home. But even she was confused herself when she briefly wa the situation. Gordon On 19 Aug 2011, at 15:06, Randy Stegall wrote: Gordon, That is what I thought. I have enough vision to tell that something is going on on the display but can't read the print unless vo or zoom is turned on. I take it that your assistant can't drag the offending window to one side of the screen and the window he needs to work in to the opposite side? Randy Stegall kc4gfr at aol.com Sent from my Mac Mini. On Aug 19, 2011, at 7:56 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Randy > > You can't do this with VoiceOver, that's the whole point. VO doesn't even see the relevant boxers. > > So no Vo solution is going to work I'm afraid. > > You have to literally drag & drop them using the trackpad. VoiceOver has to be turned off at the time or it gets in the way. > > Gordon > > On 19 Aug 2011, at 12:45, Randy Stegall wrote: > > I take it that you have tried to hide the Finder? You may have to drag and drop the certificates with the mouse or trackpad not using VO commands. In my case I drag and drop sometimes with the magic trackpad and have VO announce the item the pointer is over thereby giving me the needed feedback. Have you tried using the window or application chooser? This works especially well when I have multiple Finder windows open. > > Hth, > > Randy Stegall > kc4gfr at aol.com > Sent from my Mac Mini. > > On Aug 19, 2011, at 7:15 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hello Randy >> >> The software is Apple's Server admin tool, but the Finder or something is getting in the way. It's irritating because obviously VoiceOver doesn't care where the windows are. >> >> On 19 Aug 2011, at 12:05, Randy Stegall wrote: >> >> What software are you using? You have me curious , my friend. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Aug 19 17:03:03 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:03:03 +0100 Subject: Review: WD My Passport Essential portable hard drive In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <527387A6-2E5F-4627-8761-1C0CC5E5699B@mac-access.net> Hello Sarah We have a couple of these things and, to be honest, they're really nothing special. We've also had more trouble with WD drives than any other computing component. Seagate drives are faster, slicker, more reliable and more Mac compatible. The thing I hate about the WD drives is that there's always a hidden partition on them which you can't re-format. Horrible! Gordon On 19 Aug 2011, at 16:55, Sarah Alawami wrote: I love these little drives. Wish I had one but ah well. it works. I had a chance to use one and it was whisper quiet. Review: WD My Passport Essential portable hard drive The My Passport Essential gives you plenty of hard drive space in a compact and lightweight device, making it much more convenient to keep your important information as close as your pocket. http://onj.me/104 <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Fri Aug 19 17:18:01 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:18:01 +0100 Subject: Overlapping windows In-Reply-To: <89F16C22-090B-4061-86BB-4CFE0BE77CEB@mac-access.net> References: <154C5ABA-E73B-4451-90B7-F0B7946ADDE7@mac-access.net> <07B16BE7-CED1-4BB2-A831-5697A626A48F@aol.com> <13AFC583-3A01-4A8D-8858-03807953C7DC@mac-access.net> <3A6D5751-EFBC-4F6B-98E1-588AB330ACFA@aol.com> <89F16C22-090B-4061-86BB-4CFE0BE77CEB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <2BDEA34D-A087-44A1-A5AC-0484A46FC190@virginmedia.com> Hi Gordon! Well my last try! There is the move window command vo+` this does imply you should be able to move windows! I do not know if the commands to move items to different parts of the main window would work but they are in vo+h+h under size and position! Oh well all the best! Colin On 19 Aug 2011, at 16:59, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello Randy > > He doesn't know how to do that. I guess I'm going to have to get Lynne to try again when she gets home. But even she was confused herself when she briefly wa the situation. > > Gordon > > > On 19 Aug 2011, at 15:06, Randy Stegall wrote: > > Gordon, > > That is what I thought. I have enough vision to tell that something is going on on the display but can't read the print unless vo or zoom is turned on. I take it that your assistant can't drag the offending window to one side of the screen and the window he needs to work in to the opposite side? > > Randy Stegall > kc4gfr at aol.com > Sent from my Mac Mini. > > On Aug 19, 2011, at 7:56 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Randy >> >> You can't do this with VoiceOver, that's the whole point. VO doesn't even see the relevant boxers. >> >> So no Vo solution is going to work I'm afraid. >> >> You have to literally drag & drop them using the trackpad. VoiceOver has to be turned off at the time or it gets in the way. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 19 Aug 2011, at 12:45, Randy Stegall wrote: >> >> I take it that you have tried to hide the Finder? You may have to drag and drop the certificates with the mouse or trackpad not using VO commands. In my case I drag and drop sometimes with the magic trackpad and have VO announce the item the pointer is over thereby giving me the needed feedback. Have you tried using the window or application chooser? This works especially well when I have multiple Finder windows open. >> >> Hth, >> >> Randy Stegall >> kc4gfr at aol.com >> Sent from my Mac Mini. >> >> On Aug 19, 2011, at 7:15 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello Randy >>> >>> The software is Apple's Server admin tool, but the Finder or something is getting in the way. It's irritating because obviously VoiceOver doesn't care where the windows are. >>> >>> On 19 Aug 2011, at 12:05, Randy Stegall wrote: >>> >>> What software are you using? You have me curious , my friend. >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From kc4gfr at aol.com Fri Aug 19 17:31:32 2011 From: kc4gfr at aol.com (Randy Stegall) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:31:32 -0400 Subject: Overlapping windows In-Reply-To: <89F16C22-090B-4061-86BB-4CFE0BE77CEB@mac-access.net> References: <154C5ABA-E73B-4451-90B7-F0B7946ADDE7@mac-access.net> <07B16BE7-CED1-4BB2-A831-5697A626A48F@aol.com> <13AFC583-3A01-4A8D-8858-03807953C7DC@mac-access.net> <3A6D5751-EFBC-4F6B-98E1-588AB330ACFA@aol.com> <89F16C22-090B-4061-86BB-4CFE0BE77CEB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I think I know how you feel. I hope that Lynn can help when she gets home. Randy Stegall kc4gfr at aol.com Sent from my Mac Mini. On Aug 19, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello Randy > > He doesn't know how to do that. I guess I'm going to have to get Lynne to try again when she gets home. But even she was confused herself when she briefly wa the situation. > > Gordon > > > On 19 Aug 2011, at 15:06, Randy Stegall wrote: > > Gordon, > > That is what I thought. I have enough vision to tell that something is going on on the display but can't read the print unless vo or zoom is turned on. I take it that your assistant can't drag the offending window to one side of the screen and the window he needs to work in to the opposite side? > > Randy Stegall > kc4gfr at aol.com > Sent from my Mac Mini. > > On Aug 19, 2011, at 7:56 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Randy >> >> You can't do this with VoiceOver, that's the whole point. VO doesn't even see the relevant boxers. >> >> So no Vo solution is going to work I'm afraid. >> >> You have to literally drag & drop them using the trackpad. VoiceOver has to be turned off at the time or it gets in the way. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 19 Aug 2011, at 12:45, Randy Stegall wrote: >> >> I take it that you have tried to hide the Finder? You may have to drag and drop the certificates with the mouse or trackpad not using VO commands. In my case I drag and drop sometimes with the magic trackpad and have VO announce the item the pointer is over thereby giving me the needed feedback. Have you tried using the window or application chooser? This works especially well when I have multiple Finder windows open. >> >> Hth, >> >> Randy Stegall >> kc4gfr at aol.com >> Sent from my Mac Mini. >> >> On Aug 19, 2011, at 7:15 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello Randy >>> >>> The software is Apple's Server admin tool, but the Finder or something is getting in the way. It's irritating because obviously VoiceOver doesn't care where the windows are. >>> >>> On 19 Aug 2011, at 12:05, Randy Stegall wrote: >>> >>> What software are you using? You have me curious , my friend. >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Aug 19 17:51:20 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:51:20 +0100 Subject: Overlapping windows In-Reply-To: <2BDEA34D-A087-44A1-A5AC-0484A46FC190@virginmedia.com> References: <154C5ABA-E73B-4451-90B7-F0B7946ADDE7@mac-access.net> <07B16BE7-CED1-4BB2-A831-5697A626A48F@aol.com> <13AFC583-3A01-4A8D-8858-03807953C7DC@mac-access.net> <3A6D5751-EFBC-4F6B-98E1-588AB330ACFA@aol.com> <89F16C22-090B-4061-86BB-4CFE0BE77CEB@mac-access.net> <2BDEA34D-A087-44A1-A5AC-0484A46FC190@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <69E29B10-E589-4224-AA68-56AF53261E96@mac-access.net> Hello Colin I appreciate your efforts here but what you need to keep in mind is that VO is not resident when this is happening. Therefore, the VO commands are, as I said in a previous message, not relevant. This has something to do with OSX and nothing whatsoever to do with VoiceOver. Yes, I know that the sticklers are going to come back to me now and say "what does this have to do with accessibility then, it's off topic". Actually it isn't, it's still an OSX related issue and the list policy says "With an emphasis on, although not necessarily restricted to, accessibility". So unfortunately the VO commands won't help in this instance Colin. I have to admit I'm finding this issue very frustrating as it's preventing me from moving things on. Lynne should be home around 19:00 but whether she feels like messing around with this is another matter. The problem is basically that the Finder window is sitting on top of the window we need to use. What we're trying to do is drag a certificate file from the desktop over to the admin programme but as long as the two windows overlap I don't see how we can. Naturally, the Finder window has to be there. As does the other one. So I am stumped. But I stress again, VoiceOver doesn't come into this, as it isn't even in use at the time. VO doesn't even see the boxes I need to use. Apparently you can achieve the same import results via the Terminal. But I haven't made much progress with the Man pages. Again, I appreciate the suggestions people are making here. Gordon On 19 Aug 2011, at 17:18, Red.Falcon wrote: Hi Gordon! Well my last try! There is the move window command vo+` this does imply you should be able to move windows! I do not know if the commands to move items to different parts of the main window would work but they are in vo+h+h under size and position! Oh well all the best! Colin On 19 Aug 2011, at 16:59, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello Randy > > He doesn't know how to do that. I guess I'm going to have to get Lynne to try again when she gets home. But even she was confused herself when she briefly wa the situation. > > Gordon > > > On 19 Aug 2011, at 15:06, Randy Stegall wrote: > > Gordon, > > That is what I thought. I have enough vision to tell that something is going on on the display but can't read the print unless vo or zoom is turned on. I take it that your assistant can't drag the offending window to one side of the screen and the window he needs to work in to the opposite side? > > Randy Stegall > kc4gfr at aol.com > Sent from my Mac Mini. > > On Aug 19, 2011, at 7:56 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Randy >> >> You can't do this with VoiceOver, that's the whole point. VO doesn't even see the relevant boxers. >> >> So no Vo solution is going to work I'm afraid. >> >> You have to literally drag & drop them using the trackpad. VoiceOver has to be turned off at the time or it gets in the way. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 19 Aug 2011, at 12:45, Randy Stegall wrote: >> >> I take it that you have tried to hide the Finder? You may have to drag and drop the certificates with the mouse or trackpad not using VO commands. In my case I drag and drop sometimes with the magic trackpad and have VO announce the item the pointer is over thereby giving me the needed feedback. Have you tried using the window or application chooser? This works especially well when I have multiple Finder windows open. >> >> Hth, >> >> Randy Stegall >> kc4gfr at aol.com >> Sent from my Mac Mini. >> >> On Aug 19, 2011, at 7:15 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello Randy >>> >>> The software is Apple's Server admin tool, but the Finder or something is getting in the way. It's irritating because obviously VoiceOver doesn't care where the windows are. >>> >>> On 19 Aug 2011, at 12:05, Randy Stegall wrote: >>> >>> What software are you using? 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Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Fri Aug 19 17:52:24 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 17:52:24 +0100 Subject: Test - please ignore Message-ID: Test of Email set up. Please ignore. From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Fri Aug 19 18:37:56 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:37:56 +0100 Subject: Apple Mail question Message-ID: Hello, This may seem a strange request but is it possible to set up an Apple Mail account which is inbound only, i.e. does not connect to any smtp server? In addition to reading my own mail boxes I also monitor my wife's mail boxes so that I can tell her if she has been sent anything significant. I never want to send any outbound mail from my wife's mail boxes which just clutter up the list of outbound mail servers I can choose from. Hence the desire to define some mail boxes as inbound only. Many thanks... Paul Hopewell From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Aug 19 18:44:13 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:44:13 +0100 Subject: GH Accessibility, ReadHear Message-ID: Hi all Anybody else using ReadHear by any chance? Lynne bought me a copy of this a while ago, despite its very inflated price tab. :) What I'm wondering is whether there's an option to globally modify the location of items in your DAISY library. At the moment I'm having to remove each and every entry individually and then re-allocate them in the new location. I always thought that the purpose of having a library was to make things easier. But it seems that in this case that's not necessarily always the way it is. For example, I would have thought there would be a "Search" facility to find a book or item title. But it seems not. I did suggest this to the developers quite a long time ago but nothing has come of it. Yes, I know that there is the free "Olaria" DAISY player for OSX but the problem with that app is that it doesn't allow you to maintain a library, nor, unless I'm missing something, doe it allow you to bookmark your position and return to the bookmarks position next session. I have to admit that I like the convenience of having all my books in a library. But the inability to do a search is a bit odd. Yes, I know you can find a book by typing in the first few letters of its title. But having the ability to search the library based on keywords from the book's description, author, title and other metadata would be nice. Gordon From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Aug 19 18:45:37 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 18:45:37 +0100 Subject: Apple Mail question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98FA5C4A-8355-4E45-9163-AE623A074482@mac-access.net> Hi Paul No, you can't do that. Gordon On 19 Aug 2011, at 18:37, Paul Hopewell wrote: Hello, This may seem a strange request but is it possible to set up an Apple Mail account which is inbound only, i.e. does not connect to any smtp server? In addition to reading my own mail boxes I also monitor my wife's mail boxes so that I can tell her if she has been sent anything significant. I never want to send any outbound mail from my wife's mail boxes which just clutter up the list of outbound mail servers I can choose from. Hence the desire to define some mail boxes as inbound only. Many thanks... Paul Hopewell <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 18:59:07 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 10:59:07 -0700 Subject: Review: WD My Passport Essential portable hard drive In-Reply-To: <527387A6-2E5F-4627-8761-1C0CC5E5699B@mac-access.net> References: <527387A6-2E5F-4627-8761-1C0CC5E5699B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <021384AE-ECB5-48B3-8CF3-84CDBBD4DFEA@gmail.com> Really? I've had nothing but good luck in the 4 years I've used western digital drives. I own 3 of them now actually. Also I don't remember seeing hidden partition. I just reformatted the whole thing when I got it and that was that. Now the other drive you mentioned. all of those I had died with in a year of my buying them and I lost a lot of stuff so for me the western digital drives are what I use and hopefully unless something comes along that's better is what I will continue to use. My studio is very quiet because of them. On Aug 19, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > We have a couple of these things and, to be honest, they're really nothing special. We've also had more trouble with WD drives than any other computing component. Seagate drives are faster, slicker, more reliable and more Mac compatible. > > The thing I hate about the WD drives is that there's always a hidden partition on them which you can't re-format. Horrible! > > Gordon > > > On 19 Aug 2011, at 16:55, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > I love these little drives. Wish I had one but ah well. it works. I had a chance to use one and it was whisper quiet. > > Review: WD My Passport Essential portable hard drive > > The My Passport Essential gives you plenty of hard drive space in a compact and lightweight device, making it much more convenient to keep your important information as close as your pocket. > > http://onj.me/104 > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From caitlyn.furness at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 19:27:43 2011 From: caitlyn.furness at gmail.com (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 14:27:43 -0400 Subject: turn off the lights In-Reply-To: <50C4D90B-0827-4C54-9868-640A1429A82A@mac-access.net> References: <06BEEC52-EC08-43E9-85AB-2CBC2E4C431B@speedpost.net> <50C4D90B-0827-4C54-9868-640A1429A82A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I can help with this.. turn off the lights is a safari extention. I have it on my mac, too, because I clicked on it when I was trying to install click to flash and hit that one instead, so maybe Mark did the same thing. Further to this, how in the world do you remove extentions you try and then don't want anymore, anybody know? thanks, Caitlyn On Aug 16, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Zack and Mark > > I can confirm that there is no such button in Safari. My guess is that there is an open window on Mark's system as Safari by default reopens the last page. If you have a lot of bookmarks they can also open by default if configured too I believe. > > Lynne > > On 16 Aug 2011, at 20:10, Zachary Kline wrote: > > Hi Mark, > Umm, I may be simply dense, but I've never seen this particular button before. Where precisely is it? It sounds more like something on a web site than in the browser proper. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at the following URL: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Aug 19 19:47:35 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:47:35 +1000 Subject: Shopping Apps For Iphone/Ipad In-Reply-To: <4E4E7DA6.7070508@gmail.com> References: <3175D457-D366-4492-BE72-576065555F55@internode.on.net> <4E4E4FFD.9030004@gmail.com> <1C3C5528-4404-48EE-A64D-12241CB56959@internode.on.net> <4E4E7DA6.7070508@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yep, you're in the right area, the price is just below those buttons, for example Bega Natural Tasty Cheese slices in the chilled and dairy section in my store is listed as $2.85 and there's a separate price below that for KG. Sent from my iPad On 20/08/2011, at 1:13 AM, "Maria, Joe and Karly" wrote: > HI. > > did that, still can't see a price. just see increase quantity, decrease quantity, a disclaimer button and where it's found in the store. I'm guessing maybe prices aren't included in the main product list because they differ slightly in the country. > > > > > > Maria and Karly from Australia > > Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward > twitter bubbygirl > skype: bubbygirl1972 > msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com > please check out > www.powerradio104.com > PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN > www.tafn.org.uk > my groups > BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com > http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat > shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > On 19/08/2011 9:59 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> Double-tap the item and you get more information on it. >> >> >> On 19/08/2011, at 9:58 PM, Maria, Joe and Karly wrote: >> >>> thanks for this app dane. >>> >>> I'm looking at the catalogue and so far so good. How do you get the price read when looking at a category search though? Hmm maybe the app doesn't have the info?? If nothing else at least Ican now browse see what's available and have a better idea of what to buy. >>> >>> >>> love this app. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Maria and Karly from Australia >>> >>> Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward >>> twitter bubbygirl >>> skype: bubbygirl1972 >>> msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com >>> please check out >>> www.powerradio104.com >>> PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN >>> www.tafn.org.uk >>> my groups >>> BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >>> http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat >>> shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >>> >>> >>> On 18/08/2011 6:35 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>> Hi Everyone! >>>> >>>> So you do your grocery shopping every week and you want to be absolutely organized? Then here's the best app I've seen to help you "organize" your shopping and its free! >>>> >>>> Note that the Woolworths app is only available in Australia as far as I know. >>>> >>>> This app does everything you'd expect a shoppers helper to do and far more. Firstly, it can locate your nearest store and thus will display the local stores product catalogue and appropriate weekly specials if any, you can then browse all of these and add what you want to your shopping list where you can edit, manipulate by increasing or decreasing the amount of an item or items required, email your list to someone or an address in your contacts list etc. >>>> >>>> The app is fully accessible with Voiceover with plenty of help screens and tips available should you find yourself lost in the software. >>>> >>>> The app tells in where to find items, for example if you add a kilo of apples to your shopping list of a particular type, the Woolworths app will tell you in what row to look and this is displayed in your shopping list so you can send someone down to the supermarket and they'll know exactly where to find an item. >>>> >>>> Have some products in your pan tree you wish to order again but can't remember what the label says so you've no idea what to search for? No problem, the Woolworths app has an in-built bar code scanner, take the product from the pan tree, scan the bar code and the app will identify the product where upon you can add it to your shopping list. >>>> >>>> I see wonderful potential for this app and full marks to the developers for what they've achieved with the app thus far, pity you can't order a delivery but perhaps that will come in the future. >>>> >>>> In short 2 words sum up my feelings regarding the Woolworths App, "Most Impressive". >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Aug 19 19:48:26 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:48:26 +1000 Subject: Shopping Apps For Iphone/Ipad In-Reply-To: <4E4E7DED.50806@gmail.com> References: <3175D457-D366-4492-BE72-576065555F55@internode.on.net> <4E4E4595.8090708@gmail.com> <37B9AF42-EDB5-4B98-B72F-E679693C01D4@internode.on.net> <4E4E7DED.50806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2159B240-3305-42F8-BA3F-BDE626BD0AE3@internode.on.net> Yep, will be good when that's all in the one app. Sent from my iPad On 20/08/2011, at 1:14 AM, "Maria, Joe and Karly" wrote: > > > Our store still doesn't offer delivery but it's nice to be able to see what's available. > > > Maria and Karly from Australia > > Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward > twitter bubbygirl > skype: bubbygirl1972 > msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com > please check out > www.powerradio104.com > PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN > www.tafn.org.uk > my groups > BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com > http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat > shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > On 19/08/2011 9:34 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> Yep, just for Woolworths as far as I know. >> >> Regarding the delivery of groceries which the online Woolworths store at handles, I rang their customer support today and yep, they're working on integrating the online store with the app but there's one big problem Woolworths has to address, the app deals with the local store in your area - as determined by your GPS location - and the online business is a totally separate game so I guess we can only wait to see what happens. >> >> >> On 19/08/2011, at 9:14 PM, Maria, Joe and Karly wrote: >> >>> hi dane is it just called woolworths? >>> >>> i think i need this app. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Maria and Karly from Australia >>> >>> Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward >>> twitter bubbygirl >>> skype: bubbygirl1972 >>> msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com >>> please check out >>> www.powerradio104.com >>> PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN >>> www.tafn.org.uk >>> my groups >>> BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >>> http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat >>> shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >>> >>> >>> On 18/08/2011 6:35 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>> Hi Everyone! >>>> >>>> So you do your grocery shopping every week and you want to be absolutely organized? Then here's the best app I've seen to help you "organize" your shopping and its free! >>>> >>>> Note that the Woolworths app is only available in Australia as far as I know. >>>> >>>> This app does everything you'd expect a shoppers helper to do and far more. Firstly, it can locate your nearest store and thus will display the local stores product catalogue and appropriate weekly specials if any, you can then browse all of these and add what you want to your shopping list where you can edit, manipulate by increasing or decreasing the amount of an item or items required, email your list to someone or an address in your contacts list etc. >>>> >>>> The app is fully accessible with Voiceover with plenty of help screens and tips available should you find yourself lost in the software. >>>> >>>> The app tells in where to find items, for example if you add a kilo of apples to your shopping list of a particular type, the Woolworths app will tell you in what row to look and this is displayed in your shopping list so you can send someone down to the supermarket and they'll know exactly where to find an item. >>>> >>>> Have some products in your pan tree you wish to order again but can't remember what the label says so you've no idea what to search for? No problem, the Woolworths app has an in-built bar code scanner, take the product from the pan tree, scan the bar code and the app will identify the product where upon you can add it to your shopping list. >>>> >>>> I see wonderful potential for this app and full marks to the developers for what they've achieved with the app thus far, pity you can't order a delivery but perhaps that will come in the future. >>>> >>>> In short 2 words sum up my feelings regarding the Woolworths App, "Most Impressive". >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 19:53:17 2011 From: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com (Maria, Joe and Karly) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 04:53:17 +1000 Subject: Shopping Apps For Iphone/Ipad In-Reply-To: References: <3175D457-D366-4492-BE72-576065555F55@internode.on.net> <4E4E4FFD.9030004@gmail.com> <1C3C5528-4404-48EE-A64D-12241CB56959@internode.on.net> <4E4E7DA6.7070508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E4EB11D.9010801@gmail.com> hmm i don't know what i'm missing but mine says increase quantity decrease quantity then how many i want and add to shopping list. don't see any prices. lol Maria and Karly from Australia Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward twitter bubbygirl skype: bubbygirl1972 msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com please check out www.powerradio104.com PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN www.tafn.org.uk my groups BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com On 20/08/2011 4:47 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Yep, you're in the right area, the price is just below those buttons, for example Bega Natural Tasty Cheese slices in the chilled and dairy section in my store is listed as $2.85 and there's a separate price below that for KG. > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On 20/08/2011, at 1:13 AM, "Maria, Joe and Karly" wrote: > >> HI. >> >> did that, still can't see a price. just see increase quantity, decrease quantity, a disclaimer button and where it's found in the store. I'm guessing maybe prices aren't included in the main product list because they differ slightly in the country. >> >> >> >> >> >> Maria and Karly from Australia >> >> Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward >> twitter bubbygirl >> skype: bubbygirl1972 >> msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com >> please check out >> www.powerradio104.com >> PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN >> www.tafn.org.uk >> my groups >> BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >> http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat >> shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >> >> >> On 19/08/2011 9:59 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> Double-tap the item and you get more information on it. >>> >>> >>> On 19/08/2011, at 9:58 PM, Maria, Joe and Karly wrote: >>> >>>> thanks for this app dane. >>>> >>>> I'm looking at the catalogue and so far so good. How do you get the price read when looking at a category search though? Hmm maybe the app doesn't have the info?? If nothing else at least Ican now browse see what's available and have a better idea of what to buy. >>>> >>>> >>>> love this app. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Maria and Karly from Australia >>>> >>>> Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward >>>> twitter bubbygirl >>>> skype: bubbygirl1972 >>>> msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com >>>> please check out >>>> www.powerradio104.com >>>> PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN >>>> www.tafn.org.uk >>>> my groups >>>> BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >>>> http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat >>>> shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On 18/08/2011 6:35 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>> Hi Everyone! >>>>> >>>>> So you do your grocery shopping every week and you want to be absolutely organized? Then here's the best app I've seen to help you "organize" your shopping and its free! >>>>> >>>>> Note that the Woolworths app is only available in Australia as far as I know. >>>>> >>>>> This app does everything you'd expect a shoppers helper to do and far more. Firstly, it can locate your nearest store and thus will display the local stores product catalogue and appropriate weekly specials if any, you can then browse all of these and add what you want to your shopping list where you can edit, manipulate by increasing or decreasing the amount of an item or items required, email your list to someone or an address in your contacts list etc. >>>>> >>>>> The app is fully accessible with Voiceover with plenty of help screens and tips available should you find yourself lost in the software. >>>>> >>>>> The app tells in where to find items, for example if you add a kilo of apples to your shopping list of a particular type, the Woolworths app will tell you in what row to look and this is displayed in your shopping list so you can send someone down to the supermarket and they'll know exactly where to find an item. >>>>> >>>>> Have some products in your pan tree you wish to order again but can't remember what the label says so you've no idea what to search for? No problem, the Woolworths app has an in-built bar code scanner, take the product from the pan tree, scan the bar code and the app will identify the product where upon you can add it to your shopping list. >>>>> >>>>> I see wonderful potential for this app and full marks to the developers for what they've achieved with the app thus far, pity you can't order a delivery but perhaps that will come in the future. >>>>> >>>>> In short 2 words sum up my feelings regarding the Woolworths App, "Most Impressive". >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gailcrowe1959 at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 19:55:07 2011 From: gailcrowe1959 at gmail.com (Gail the U. S. Male) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 12:55:07 -0600 Subject: Review: WD My Passport Essential portable hard drive In-Reply-To: <021384AE-ECB5-48B3-8CF3-84CDBBD4DFEA@gmail.com> References: <527387A6-2E5F-4627-8761-1C0CC5E5699B@mac-access.net> <021384AE-ECB5-48B3-8CF3-84CDBBD4DFEA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <018701cc5ea1$84dc56c0$8e950440$@com> I use three of these also, and have had no trouble, and haven't seen any hiden partitions. The size of the drive is consistent with what it is advertised as. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: Friday, August 19, 2011 11:59 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Review: WD My Passport Essential portable hard drive Really? I've had nothing but good luck in the 4 years I've used western digital drives. I own 3 of them now actually. Also I don't remember seeing hidden partition. I just reformatted the whole thing when I got it and that was that. Now the other drive you mentioned. all of those I had died with in a year of my buying them and I lost a lot of stuff so for me the western digital drives are what I use and hopefully unless something comes along that's better is what I will continue to use. My studio is very quiet because of them. On Aug 19, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > We have a couple of these things and, to be honest, they're really nothing special. We've also had more trouble with WD drives than any other computing component. Seagate drives are faster, slicker, more reliable and more Mac compatible. > > The thing I hate about the WD drives is that there's always a hidden partition on them which you can't re-format. Horrible! > > Gordon > > > On 19 Aug 2011, at 16:55, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > I love these little drives. Wish I had one but ah well. it works. I had a chance to use one and it was whisper quiet. > > Review: WD My Passport Essential portable hard drive > > The My Passport Essential gives you plenty of hard drive space in a compact and lightweight device, making it much more convenient to keep your important information as close as your pocket. > > http://onj.me/104 > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Aug 19 20:19:30 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 05:19:30 +1000 Subject: Shopping Apps For Iphone/Ipad In-Reply-To: <4E4EB11D.9010801@gmail.com> References: <3175D457-D366-4492-BE72-576065555F55@internode.on.net> <4E4E4FFD.9030004@gmail.com> <1C3C5528-4404-48EE-A64D-12241CB56959@internode.on.net> <4E4E7DA6.7070508@gmail.com> <4E4EB11D.9010801@gmail.com> Message-ID: Right, well contact me privately and we can go through the app if you like. On 20/08/2011, at 4:53 AM, Maria, Joe and Karly wrote: > hmm i don't know what i'm missing but mine says increase quantity decrease quantity then how many i want and add to shopping list. don't see any prices. lol > > > > > Maria and Karly from Australia > > Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward > twitter bubbygirl > skype: bubbygirl1972 > msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com > please check out > www.powerradio104.com > PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN > www.tafn.org.uk > my groups > BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com > http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat > shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com > > > On 20/08/2011 4:47 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> Yep, you're in the right area, the price is just below those buttons, for example Bega Natural Tasty Cheese slices in the chilled and dairy section in my store is listed as $2.85 and there's a separate price below that for KG. >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 20/08/2011, at 1:13 AM, "Maria, Joe and Karly" wrote: >> >>> HI. >>> >>> did that, still can't see a price. just see increase quantity, decrease quantity, a disclaimer button and where it's found in the store. I'm guessing maybe prices aren't included in the main product list because they differ slightly in the country. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Maria and Karly from Australia >>> >>> Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward >>> twitter bubbygirl >>> skype: bubbygirl1972 >>> msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com >>> please check out >>> www.powerradio104.com >>> PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN >>> www.tafn.org.uk >>> my groups >>> BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >>> http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat >>> shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >>> >>> >>> On 19/08/2011 9:59 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>> Double-tap the item and you get more information on it. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19/08/2011, at 9:58 PM, Maria, Joe and Karly wrote: >>>> >>>>> thanks for this app dane. >>>>> >>>>> I'm looking at the catalogue and so far so good. How do you get the price read when looking at a category search though? Hmm maybe the app doesn't have the info?? If nothing else at least Ican now browse see what's available and have a better idea of what to buy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> love this app. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Maria and Karly from Australia >>>>> >>>>> Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward >>>>> twitter bubbygirl >>>>> skype: bubbygirl1972 >>>>> msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com >>>>> please check out >>>>> www.powerradio104.com >>>>> PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN >>>>> www.tafn.org.uk >>>>> my groups >>>>> BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >>>>> http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat >>>>> shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 18/08/2011 6:35 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>> Hi Everyone! >>>>>> >>>>>> So you do your grocery shopping every week and you want to be absolutely organized? Then here's the best app I've seen to help you "organize" your shopping and its free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Note that the Woolworths app is only available in Australia as far as I know. >>>>>> >>>>>> This app does everything you'd expect a shoppers helper to do and far more. Firstly, it can locate your nearest store and thus will display the local stores product catalogue and appropriate weekly specials if any, you can then browse all of these and add what you want to your shopping list where you can edit, manipulate by increasing or decreasing the amount of an item or items required, email your list to someone or an address in your contacts list etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> The app is fully accessible with Voiceover with plenty of help screens and tips available should you find yourself lost in the software. >>>>>> >>>>>> The app tells in where to find items, for example if you add a kilo of apples to your shopping list of a particular type, the Woolworths app will tell you in what row to look and this is displayed in your shopping list so you can send someone down to the supermarket and they'll know exactly where to find an item. >>>>>> >>>>>> Have some products in your pan tree you wish to order again but can't remember what the label says so you've no idea what to search for? No problem, the Woolworths app has an in-built bar code scanner, take the product from the pan tree, scan the bar code and the app will identify the product where upon you can add it to your shopping list. >>>>>> >>>>>> I see wonderful potential for this app and full marks to the developers for what they've achieved with the app thus far, pity you can't order a delivery but perhaps that will come in the future. >>>>>> >>>>>> In short 2 words sum up my feelings regarding the Woolworths App, "Most Impressive". >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Fri Aug 19 20:24:43 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:24:43 +0100 Subject: Shopping Apps For Iphone/Ipad In-Reply-To: References: <3175D457-D366-4492-BE72-576065555F55@internode.on.net> <4E4E4FFD.9030004@gmail.com> <1C3C5528-4404-48EE-A64D-12241CB56959@internode.on.net> <4E4E7DA6.7070508@gmail.com> <4E4EB11D.9010801@gmail.com> Message-ID: <175CA432-4BE5-4932-8BCF-6D1B688FE77F@virginmedia.com> Hi there! Could there be a difference between the I pad version and Iphone's! I think there can be some difference's So are one of you using Ipad and the other Iphone? Colin On 19 Aug 2011, at 20:19, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Right, well contact me privately and we can go through the app if you like. > > > On 20/08/2011, at 4:53 AM, Maria, Joe and Karly wrote: > >> hmm i don't know what i'm missing but mine says increase quantity decrease quantity then how many i want and add to shopping list. don't see any prices. lol >> >> >> >> >> Maria and Karly from Australia >> >> Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward >> twitter bubbygirl >> skype: bubbygirl1972 >> msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com >> please check out >> www.powerradio104.com >> PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN >> www.tafn.org.uk >> my groups >> BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >> http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat >> shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >> >> >> On 20/08/2011 4:47 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> Yep, you're in the right area, the price is just below those buttons, for example Bega Natural Tasty Cheese slices in the chilled and dairy section in my store is listed as $2.85 and there's a separate price below that for KG. >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 20/08/2011, at 1:13 AM, "Maria, Joe and Karly" wrote: >>> >>>> HI. >>>> >>>> did that, still can't see a price. just see increase quantity, decrease quantity, a disclaimer button and where it's found in the store. I'm guessing maybe prices aren't included in the main product list because they differ slightly in the country. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Maria and Karly from Australia >>>> >>>> Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward >>>> twitter bubbygirl >>>> skype: bubbygirl1972 >>>> msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com >>>> please check out >>>> www.powerradio104.com >>>> PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN >>>> www.tafn.org.uk >>>> my groups >>>> BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >>>> http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat >>>> shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19/08/2011 9:59 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>> Double-tap the item and you get more information on it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 19/08/2011, at 9:58 PM, Maria, Joe and Karly wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> thanks for this app dane. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm looking at the catalogue and so far so good. How do you get the price read when looking at a category search though? Hmm maybe the app doesn't have the info?? If nothing else at least Ican now browse see what's available and have a better idea of what to buy. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> love this app. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Maria and Karly from Australia >>>>>> >>>>>> Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward >>>>>> twitter bubbygirl >>>>>> skype: bubbygirl1972 >>>>>> msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com >>>>>> please check out >>>>>> www.powerradio104.com >>>>>> PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN >>>>>> www.tafn.org.uk >>>>>> my groups >>>>>> BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >>>>>> http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat >>>>>> shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 18/08/2011 6:35 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Everyone! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So you do your grocery shopping every week and you want to be absolutely organised? Then here's the best app I've seen to help you "organise" your shopping and its free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note that the Woolworths app is only available in Australia as far as I know. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This app does everything you'd expect a shoppers helper to do and far more. Firstly, it can locate your nearest store and thus will display the local stores product catalogue and appropriate weekly specials if any, you can then browse all of these and add what you want to your shopping list where you can edit, manipulate by increasing or decreasing the amount of an item or items required, email your list to someone or an address in your contacts list etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The app is fully accessible with Voiceover with plenty of help screens and tips available should you find yourself lost in the software. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The app tells in where to find items, for example if you add a kilo of apples to your shopping list of a particular type, the Woolworths app will tell you in what row to look and this is displayed in your shopping list so you can send someone down to the supermarket and they'll know exactly where to find an item. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Have some products in your pan tree you wish to order again but can't remember what the label says so you've no idea what to search for? No problem, the Woolworths app has an in-built bar code scanner, take the product from the pan tree, scan the bar code and the app will identify the product where upon you can add it to your shopping list. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I see wonderful potential for this app and full marks to the developers for what they've achieved with the app thus far, pity you can't order a delivery but perhaps that will come in the future. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In short 2 words sum up my feelings regarding the Woolworths App, "Most Impressive". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Aug 19 20:31:24 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 05:31:24 +1000 Subject: Shopping Apps For Iphone/Ipad In-Reply-To: <175CA432-4BE5-4932-8BCF-6D1B688FE77F@virginmedia.com> References: <3175D457-D366-4492-BE72-576065555F55@internode.on.net> <4E4E4FFD.9030004@gmail.com> <1C3C5528-4404-48EE-A64D-12241CB56959@internode.on.net> <4E4E7DA6.7070508@gmail.com> <4E4EB11D.9010801@gmail.com> <175CA432-4BE5-4932-8BCF-6D1B688FE77F@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <7F933C62-973C-43A3-9547-F76D4B2B4299@internode.on.net> Its a universal app meaning it can be used on either Iphone or Ipad or any other IOS4 device such as Ipod Touch. On 20/08/2011, at 5:24 AM, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi there! > Could there be a difference between the I pad version and Iphone's! > I think there can be some difference's > So are one of you using Ipad and the other Iphone? > Colin > > On 19 Aug 2011, at 20:19, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Right, well contact me privately and we can go through the app if you like. >> >> >> On 20/08/2011, at 4:53 AM, Maria, Joe and Karly wrote: >> >>> hmm i don't know what i'm missing but mine says increase quantity decrease quantity then how many i want and add to shopping list. don't see any prices. lol >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Maria and Karly from Australia >>> >>> Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward >>> twitter bubbygirl >>> skype: bubbygirl1972 >>> msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com >>> please check out >>> www.powerradio104.com >>> PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN >>> www.tafn.org.uk >>> my groups >>> BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >>> http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat >>> shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >>> >>> >>> On 20/08/2011 4:47 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>> Yep, you're in the right area, the price is just below those buttons, for example Bega Natural Tasty Cheese slices in the chilled and dairy section in my store is listed as $2.85 and there's a separate price below that for KG. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On 20/08/2011, at 1:13 AM, "Maria, Joe and Karly" wrote: >>>> >>>>> HI. >>>>> >>>>> did that, still can't see a price. just see increase quantity, decrease quantity, a disclaimer button and where it's found in the store. I'm guessing maybe prices aren't included in the main product list because they differ slightly in the country. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Maria and Karly from Australia >>>>> >>>>> Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward >>>>> twitter bubbygirl >>>>> skype: bubbygirl1972 >>>>> msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com >>>>> please check out >>>>> www.powerradio104.com >>>>> PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN >>>>> www.tafn.org.uk >>>>> my groups >>>>> BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >>>>> http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat >>>>> shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 19/08/2011 9:59 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>> Double-tap the item and you get more information on it. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 19/08/2011, at 9:58 PM, Maria, Joe and Karly wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> thanks for this app dane. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm looking at the catalogue and so far so good. How do you get the price read when looking at a category search though? Hmm maybe the app doesn't have the info?? If nothing else at least Ican now browse see what's available and have a better idea of what to buy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> love this app. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maria and Karly from Australia >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Friendship flourishes at the fountain of forgiveness. William A. Ward >>>>>>> twitter bubbygirl >>>>>>> skype: bubbygirl1972 >>>>>>> msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com >>>>>>> please check out >>>>>>> www.powerradio104.com >>>>>>> PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN >>>>>>> www.tafn.org.uk >>>>>>> my groups >>>>>>> BlindSightedChat-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> http://www.groups.yahoo.com/group/blindsightedchat >>>>>>> shelter-from-the-storm-subscribe at yahoogroups.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 18/08/2011 6:35 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Everyone! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So you do your grocery shopping every week and you want to be absolutely organised? Then here's the best app I've seen to help you "organise" your shopping and its free! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Note that the Woolworths app is only available in Australia as far as I know. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This app does everything you'd expect a shoppers helper to do and far more. Firstly, it can locate your nearest store and thus will display the local stores product catalogue and appropriate weekly specials if any, you can then browse all of these and add what you want to your shopping list where you can edit, manipulate by increasing or decreasing the amount of an item or items required, email your list to someone or an address in your contacts list etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The app is fully accessible with Voiceover with plenty of help screens and tips available should you find yourself lost in the software. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The app tells in where to find items, for example if you add a kilo of apples to your shopping list of a particular type, the Woolworths app will tell you in what row to look and this is displayed in your shopping list so you can send someone down to the supermarket and they'll know exactly where to find an item. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Have some products in your pan tree you wish to order again but can't remember what the label says so you've no idea what to search for? No problem, the Woolworths app has an in-built bar code scanner, take the product from the pan tree, scan the bar code and the app will identify the product where upon you can add it to your shopping list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I see wonderful potential for this app and full marks to the developers for what they've achieved with the app thus far, pity you can't order a delivery but perhaps that will come in the future. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In short 2 words sum up my feelings regarding the Woolworths App, "Most Impressive". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! 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>>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Aug 19 20:37:23 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:37:23 +0100 Subject: Off Topic; Review: WD My Passport Essential portable hard drive In-Reply-To: <018701cc5ea1$84dc56c0$8e950440$@com> References: <527387A6-2E5F-4627-8761-1C0CC5E5699B@mac-access.net> <021384AE-ECB5-48B3-8CF3-84CDBBD4DFEA@gmail.com> <018701cc5ea1$84dc56c0$8e950440$@com> Message-ID: <82239AB3-3D0C-40FC-8AE3-6A615D897CBF@mac-access.net> Hello Sorry to be a pain, but Gordon moved this discussion to our other list since it's off topic here. It isn't Apple related. Lynne From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Fri Aug 19 21:08:38 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 15:08:38 -0500 Subject: XCode issue navigator. Message-ID: <071A23AE8D534352AF3E974C273A8E58@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Greetings all, I'm hoping that someone out there has played with xCode and has a little time to address a few novice questions. I was trying to ascertain whether the IOS simulator is accessible; the sample MoveMe project described in Apple's "creating an iPhone application" tutorial apparently employs a lot of animation. I thought a plane text example might be a better test for the simulator, so to that end I attempted to build this HelloWorld project. I was traversing the issue navigator to correct my errors, but it seems that either I've not figured out a few things, or that all the tools to make the development environment easier actually serves the opposite purpose for VO users. One error indicated that an interface was missing and asked whether I meant "HelloWorld" instead of "helloWorld". I saw an option labeled "fix it", but couldn't seem to select it. More over there didn't seem to be any easy way to get to the offending line except to find it via project navigator. One of my errors was "no declaration of property viewcontroler found in the interface. When I interacted there was no way to read the name of the property to determine whether there was a case mismatch or a proceeding dash, etc. I could have copied the last phrase to my clipboard or changed to spell mode, but assume there must be an easier way to read the name of the offending property or jump to the line in question? TIA for any suggestions. Geoff From joncohn at cox.net Fri Aug 19 21:48:18 2011 From: joncohn at cox.net (Jon Cohn) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:48:18 -0400 Subject: Lion Mail, hiding read messages. In-Reply-To: <85D91200-5BFF-40EC-B3CF-B08010042A4B@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <89242F30-9A46-42B1-AF8B-68F5FC328F4C@bigpond.net.au> <92E80221-1622-4F0D-A35C-4139D6DD3572@mac-access.net> <85D91200-5BFF-40EC-B3CF-B08010042A4B@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <268B6729-4997-4DD8-8F7C-17E871A920F9@cox.net> This is one of the things you could do with "smart mailboxes". Personally, I set up an Address Book group called Interesting People, and then created a smart Mail box folder that includes all unread e-mail from the interesting people address group. Best regards, Jonathan On Aug 18, 2011, at 11:09 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > If you are using the new layout, you can go to preferences and set list preview to none. > > There is not a hide read mail filter, I believe this could be done in Outlook Express. If you want something similar, you could always sort the messages by unread. Your unread messages then would appear at the top of the list first. > > Chris > On 18 Aug 2011, at 16:03, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> hello Sean >> >> I don't think you can hide messages you've read. But getting rid of the preview window; here's how I think it's done with VoiceOver. >> >> Interact with the splitter next to the Preview window and drag the size down to 0. Then you have to do a physical mouse click on that splitter I think. Move the mouse pointer to the splitter using Command+VO+F5 and then use the trackpad to click it. That's just from memory; but I think it works. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 18 Aug 2011, at 13:00, Sean Murphy wrote: >> >> How can I hide read messages? >> >> Also how do you get rid of the prev-window? >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Fri Aug 19 23:43:27 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:43:27 +1000 Subject: ree off toppic how do i join other list adress didn't work last time In-Reply-To: <82239AB3-3D0C-40FC-8AE3-6A615D897CBF@mac-access.net> References: <527387A6-2E5F-4627-8761-1C0CC5E5699B@mac-access.net> <021384AE-ECB5-48B3-8CF3-84CDBBD4DFEA@gmail.com> <018701cc5ea1$84dc56c0$8e950440$@com> <82239AB3-3D0C-40FC-8AE3-6A615D897CBF@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <569BA223-FF1F-44A5-A3B0-EF1B4609CCA5@bluebottle.com> hi wanted to join the other list but the address didn't work and the message came back to me On 20/08/2011, at 5:37 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello > > Sorry to be a pain, but Gordon moved this discussion to our other list since it's off topic here. It isn't Apple related. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Sat Aug 20 01:45:14 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:45:14 -0400 Subject: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View] In-Reply-To: <459D7A99-3499-4AAE-BDB4-A69E3C3E1F04@mac-access.net> References: <459D7A99-3499-4AAE-BDB4-A69E3C3E1F04@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6C263BE7-A5EC-44D2-9FDF-5EBEBA0722AC@Mac-Access.net> On Aug 18, 2011, at 10:14 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Gordon has just finished upgrading his 2.26 GHZ Intel Core 2 Duo (Mid 2009) MacBook Pro from 4 to 8GB of RAM, courtesy of the very reasonable memory prices at Crucial.com. So we put it to the test to see if there was any difference that was noticeable between how it performed with 4GB and how it now does with 8GB. > > We started first opening several applications at once, all using full screen mode under Lion. Previously when we did this, we would notice some jitter. Well I say we, I should say I. But VoiceOver would also stammer and stutter quite a lot in those circumstances. (We;re using the iVox voices). Now, however, with 8GB of physical RAM, the entire process is slick and smooth. Even Rachel didn't stammer and stutter as she usually does when we tried this experiment. > > So my conclusion is that the upgrade is very well worth while as long as you get the correct memory for your device. Actually the 1067 MHZ PC3 DDR3 memory that our 13-Inch MacBook Pro uses is quite a bit cheaper at Crucial than the latest 1333 MHZ RAM is; I know that because I bought some of the faster memory earlier this week for one of our servers. > > So in summary, I now agree with those who advocate that the more memory you have, (although there must be a ceiling beyond which further upgrades are pointless), the better. I personally can tell the difference between how our machine was and how it is now. > > We are expecting delivery of a new 17-inch machine from Gordon's work place shortly. That one has 8GB of RAM and an Intel I7 quad core processor which, I think, runs at 2.7 GHZ. So it will be interesting to see the performance difference there. > > Lynne > Hi Lynne and others, this report makes me want to consider again taking the chance and putting 8 gigs in my late 20009 Mac book. I have the same issues that Lynne describes such as chattering in the voices when several applications are running. yet Gordon's earlier comments about there being good reasons why one should follow the posted limits has me concerned. I sure wish someone else would go first! Eric Caron > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From orin8722 at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 01:46:31 2011 From: orin8722 at gmail.com (Orin) Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 20:46:31 -0400 Subject: Up to date Interactive Fiction apps? Message-ID: <9356446D-9BF4-4403-8092-305211933A93@gmail.com> Hey all, Zoom is proving problematic for me. I can't open Blue Lacuna, nor can I open Flexible Survival or any other Inform game. What is everyone using now under Lion? Orin orin8722 at gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 From smur7241 at bigpond.net.au Sat Aug 20 08:37:07 2011 From: smur7241 at bigpond.net.au (Sean Murphy) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:37:07 +1000 Subject: Apple Mail question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2756C628-D929-47FA-B864-962F17162CEA@bigpond.net.au> Hi Paul, Okay, lets explain how mail protocols work. There is 2 protocols to receive mail and one protocol to send. These are the common protocols: Imap The mail is left on the mail server. Permits you to access it from multiple accounts. POP3 Most mail clients will automatically delete the message from the mail server. The apple mail client permits you to have a time period of leaving the messages. Once the mail is deleted from the server, it is gone. SMPT This is the protocol used to send your message to the mail server. The settings used are completely different for each protocol. You can only configure the receiving protocols (pop3 and IMap) and not configure SMPT. NOte, I discovered this by having mail problems when trying to send messages via my ISP when I was not connected to their network. I had valid configuration for the smpt. But I could receive mail but not send when I was on a different network. I have resolved this issue. But you don't have to have a valid smpt configuration. Just be careful with how you delete the messages in the account settings. Sean On 20/08/2011, at 3:37 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello, > This may seem a strange request but is it possible to set up an Apple Mail account which is inbound only, i.e. does not connect to any smtp server? > In addition to reading my own mail boxes I also monitor my wife's mail boxes so that I can tell her if she has been sent anything significant. I never want to send any outbound mail from my wife's mail boxes which just clutter up the list of outbound mail servers I can choose from. Hence the desire to define some mail boxes as inbound only. > Many thanks... > > Paul Hopewell > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Aug 20 12:13:18 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 12:13:18 +0100 Subject: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View] In-Reply-To: <6C263BE7-A5EC-44D2-9FDF-5EBEBA0722AC@Mac-Access.net> References: <459D7A99-3499-4AAE-BDB4-A69E3C3E1F04@mac-access.net> <6C263BE7-A5EC-44D2-9FDF-5EBEBA0722AC@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <7A02DCBA-C382-46AF-9182-DA387F921BD2@mac-access.net> Hello Eric Gordon's comments were related to installing memory designed to run at a different buss speed. And, did we not just go first? :) Lynne On 20 Aug 2011, at 01:45, Eric Caron wrote: > Hi Lynne and others, this report makes me want to consider again taking the chance and putting 8 gigs in my late 20009 Mac book. I have the same issues that Lynne describes such as chattering in the voices when several applications are running. yet Gordon's earlier comments about there being good reasons why one should follow the posted limits has me concerned. I sure wish someone else would go first! From mfurness at bell.net Sat Aug 20 12:44:18 2011 From: mfurness at bell.net (Mark Furness) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 07:44:18 -0400 Subject: fix for turn lights off Message-ID: To remove the button "turn the lights off 1. open properties for safari 2. go to extensions and vo space.. 3. select turn lights off 4. tab to uninstall. Now your are done. Mark" The goal of salvation is not to get to heaven. Salvation is being conformed to the image of Christ. Heaven is the benefit. From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Aug 20 13:45:38 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 13:45:38 +0100 Subject: fix for turn lights off In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50424A56-61D1-473A-A226-C6F11560F806@mac-access.net> Mark This shows that you're dealing with an external application or plugin. I believe that this isn't part of Safari. Lynne On 20 Aug 2011, at 12:44, Mark Furness wrote: To remove the button "turn the lights off 1. open properties for safari 2. go to extensions and vo space.. 3. select turn lights off 4. tab to uninstall. Now your are done. Mark" The goal of salvation is not to get to heaven. Salvation is being conformed to the image of Christ. Heaven is the benefit. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Sat Aug 20 14:56:10 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 09:56:10 -0400 Subject: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View] In-Reply-To: <7A02DCBA-C382-46AF-9182-DA387F921BD2@mac-access.net> References: <459D7A99-3499-4AAE-BDB4-A69E3C3E1F04@mac-access.net> <6C263BE7-A5EC-44D2-9FDF-5EBEBA0722AC@Mac-Access.net> <7A02DCBA-C382-46AF-9182-DA387F921BD2@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <48183A1E-0887-4458-8800-F02DEF83729D@Mac-Access.net> On Aug 20, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Eric > > Gordon's comments were related to installing memory designed to run at a different buss speed. And, did we not just go first? :) > Hi Lynne, I think you said Gordon has a 2009 Mac Book Pro. That one I think is supposed to go over 4 GB ram. I have a Mac Book White case. If I put in 8 GB I'm going over the 4 gig limit Apple says I have for the White case. I'd love Gordon's thoughts on this as I suspect I could use the extra ram. Other listers are reporting that Other World Computing says my unit can run 8 GB but I don't want to damage my machine or do all that work just to find it doesn't work! So you did go first but not a first in a white case pushing Apples limits! Or, is his also a white case? Eric > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Aug 20 15:53:03 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:53:03 +0100 Subject: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View] In-Reply-To: <48183A1E-0887-4458-8800-F02DEF83729D@Mac-Access.net> References: <459D7A99-3499-4AAE-BDB4-A69E3C3E1F04@mac-access.net> <6C263BE7-A5EC-44D2-9FDF-5EBEBA0722AC@Mac-Access.net> <7A02DCBA-C382-46AF-9182-DA387F921BD2@mac-access.net> <48183A1E-0887-4458-8800-F02DEF83729D@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <56648A4F-5510-46AB-A32A-D916945990F8@mac-access.net> Hello Eric No, you're mistaken. They have a maximum of 8GB RAM for the Intel Core 2 Duo processor which mean all of them since about 2007/8 I believe. Lynne On 20 Aug 2011, at 14:56, Eric Caron wrote: On Aug 20, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Eric > > Gordon's comments were related to installing memory designed to run at a different buss speed. And, did we not just go first? :) > Hi Lynne, I think you said Gordon has a 2009 Mac Book Pro. That one I think is supposed to go over 4 GB ram. I have a Mac Book White case. If I put in 8 GB I'm going over the 4 gig limit Apple says I have for the White case. I'd love Gordon's thoughts on this as I suspect I could use the extra ram. Other listers are reporting that Other World Computing says my unit can run 8 GB but I don't want to damage my machine or do all that work just to find it doesn't work! So you did go first but not a first in a white case pushing Apples limits! Or, is his also a white case? Eric > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Sat Aug 20 16:11:38 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:11:38 -0400 Subject: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View] In-Reply-To: <56648A4F-5510-46AB-A32A-D916945990F8@mac-access.net> References: <459D7A99-3499-4AAE-BDB4-A69E3C3E1F04@mac-access.net> <6C263BE7-A5EC-44D2-9FDF-5EBEBA0722AC@Mac-Access.net> <7A02DCBA-C382-46AF-9182-DA387F921BD2@mac-access.net> <48183A1E-0887-4458-8800-F02DEF83729D@Mac-Access.net> <56648A4F-5510-46AB-A32A-D916945990F8@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <41897719-CC42-49CA-A29F-2AE4A1B23452@Mac-Access.net> On Aug 20, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Eric > > No, you're mistaken. They have a maximum of 8GB RAM for the Intel Core 2 Duo processor which mean all of them since about 2007/8 I believe. > > Lynne > I may be mistaken in wondering if my White case can handle 8 GB but sadly, i'm not mistaken in saying that Apple states clearly that my 2009 6, 1 Mac Book can only take up to 4 gB of ram. For example at Crucial when I run the check on my system it says only 4 gig. On a earlier thread on this list I learned that other sellers say I can go up to 8. I'd love to do that! I did more research a week or so ago and landed on a Apple KB article about my machine and it again says only expandable to 4GB. When I bought my computer new I didn't know anything. I worked with the sales person at Apple. I would have been glad to get the Pro but the sales person seemed to think I didn't need it as the new White case was almost the same. Well I know understand there are many differences I could now be taking advantage of, if I only had the pro! If it would help I'll see if I can find that article again. but if I'm right I want free access to a helpful list where people warmly give me great advice on keeping my Mac working great! Oh! and If I'm right I think I should earn discounts on helpful books like the Take Control series! If I'm wrong I'm upgrading to 8 GB of Ram! I plan to come out ahead either way! Best, eRic Caron > On 20 Aug 2011, at 14:56, Eric Caron wrote: > > > On Aug 20, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Eric >> >> Gordon's comments were related to installing memory designed to run at a different buss speed. And, did we not just go first? :) >> > Hi Lynne, I think you said Gordon has a 2009 Mac Book Pro. That one I think is supposed to go over 4 GB ram. I have a Mac Book White case. If I put in 8 GB I'm going over the 4 gig limit Apple says I have for the White case. I'd love Gordon's thoughts on this as I suspect I could use the extra ram. > Other listers are reporting that Other World Computing says my unit can run 8 GB but I don't want to damage my machine or do all that work just to find it doesn't work! > > So you did go first but not a first in a white case pushing Apples limits! > > Or, is his also a white case? > > Eric >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Sat Aug 20 16:41:23 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 11:41:23 -0400 Subject: Overlapping windows In-Reply-To: <69E29B10-E589-4224-AA68-56AF53261E96@mac-access.net> References: <154C5ABA-E73B-4451-90B7-F0B7946ADDE7@mac-access.net> <07B16BE7-CED1-4BB2-A831-5697A626A48F@aol.com> <13AFC583-3A01-4A8D-8858-03807953C7DC@mac-access.net> <3A6D5751-EFBC-4F6B-98E1-588AB330ACFA@aol.com> <89F16C22-090B-4061-86BB-4CFE0BE77CEB@mac-access.net> <2BDEA34D-A087-44A1-A5AC-0484A46FC190@virginmedia.com> <69E29B10-E589-4224-AA68-56AF53261E96@mac-access.net> Message-ID: If this occurs again, there's two things you can do to assist with the drag operations. First, maximize the windows where the dragging operations need to take place. This helps them be more vissible even if they are behind other windows. Second, close all finder windows that are not necessary for the drag and drop operation. Finder tends to open new windows fairly often for various operations, and closing them reduces visual clutter, and makes it easier for sighted folks to see what you're talking about. Alternately, you can have the sighted helper click the corner of the window in question, hold the left button down, and drag the finder window out of the way. Hiding finder (for some reason) doesn't always remove all of it's windows from the screen, so that's probably not an option in most cases, especially since the files you want to drag and drop are usually in finder anyhow. :) Anyway, don't know how useful this will be, but hope it helps a little anyway. From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Aug 20 18:30:39 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:30:39 +0100 Subject: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View] In-Reply-To: <41897719-CC42-49CA-A29F-2AE4A1B23452@Mac-Access.net> References: <459D7A99-3499-4AAE-BDB4-A69E3C3E1F04@mac-access.net> <6C263BE7-A5EC-44D2-9FDF-5EBEBA0722AC@Mac-Access.net> <7A02DCBA-C382-46AF-9182-DA387F921BD2@mac-access.net> <48183A1E-0887-4458-8800-F02DEF83729D@Mac-Access.net> <56648A4F-5510-46AB-A32A-D916945990F8@mac-access.net> <41897719-CC42-49CA-A29F-2AE4A1B23452@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: Hello Eric OK, are you specifically talking about the MacBook, as opposed to the Pro? If that's the case then yes I think 4GB is indeed the limit. I was under the impression that you had a MBP, sorry about that. I just presumed you were generalising when you said MacBook. Lynne On 20 Aug 2011, at 16:11, Eric Caron wrote: On Aug 20, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Eric > > No, you're mistaken. They have a maximum of 8GB RAM for the Intel Core 2 Duo processor which mean all of them since about 2007/8 I believe. > > Lynne > I may be mistaken in wondering if my White case can handle 8 GB but sadly, i'm not mistaken in saying that Apple states clearly that my 2009 6, 1 Mac Book can only take up to 4 gB of ram. For example at Crucial when I run the check on my system it says only 4 gig. On a earlier thread on this list I learned that other sellers say I can go up to 8. I'd love to do that! I did more research a week or so ago and landed on a Apple KB article about my machine and it again says only expandable to 4GB. When I bought my computer new I didn't know anything. I worked with the sales person at Apple. I would have been glad to get the Pro but the sales person seemed to think I didn't need it as the new White case was almost the same. Well I know understand there are many differences I could now be taking advantage of, if I only had the pro! If it would help I'll see if I can find that article again. but if I'm right I want free access to a helpful list where people warmly give me great advice on keeping my Mac working great! Oh! and If I'm right I think I should earn discounts on helpful books like the Take Control series! If I'm wrong I'm upgrading to 8 GB of Ram! I plan to come out ahead either way! Best, eRic Caron > On 20 Aug 2011, at 14:56, Eric Caron wrote: > > > On Aug 20, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Eric >> >> Gordon's comments were related to installing memory designed to run at a different buss speed. And, did we not just go first? :) >> > Hi Lynne, I think you said Gordon has a 2009 Mac Book Pro. That one I think is supposed to go over 4 GB ram. I have a Mac Book White case. If I put in 8 GB I'm going over the 4 gig limit Apple says I have for the White case. I'd love Gordon's thoughts on this as I suspect I could use the extra ram. > Other listers are reporting that Other World Computing says my unit can run 8 GB but I don't want to damage my machine or do all that work just to find it doesn't work! > > So you did go first but not a first in a white case pushing Apples limits! > > Or, is his also a white case? > > Eric >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Aug 20 18:35:02 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 18:35:02 +0100 Subject: Overlapping windows In-Reply-To: References: <154C5ABA-E73B-4451-90B7-F0B7946ADDE7@mac-access.net> <07B16BE7-CED1-4BB2-A831-5697A626A48F@aol.com> <13AFC583-3A01-4A8D-8858-03807953C7DC@mac-access.net> <3A6D5751-EFBC-4F6B-98E1-588AB330ACFA@aol.com> <89F16C22-090B-4061-86BB-4CFE0BE77CEB@mac-access.net> <2BDEA34D-A087-44A1-A5AC-0484A46FC190@virginmedia.com> <69E29B10-E589-4224-AA68-56AF53261E96@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <1DCD8488-886F-4BA2-A96D-A849E7D53C84@mac-access.net> Hello Travis To explain a little more about this. We need to drag a file from the Finder into the Server Admin window. When you say "Maximise" the window, I have never seen that term used for Mac stuff. Lynne On 20 Aug 2011, at 16:41, Travis Siegel wrote: If this occurs again, there's two things you can do to assist with the drag operations. First, maximize the windows where the dragging operations need to take place. This helps them be more vissible even if they are behind other windows. Second, close all finder windows that are not necessary for the drag and drop operation. Finder tends to open new windows fairly often for various operations, and closing them reduces visual clutter, and makes it easier for sighted folks to see what you're talking about. Alternately, you can have the sighted helper click the corner of the window in question, hold the left button down, and drag the finder window out of the way. Hiding finder (for some reason) doesn't always remove all of it's windows from the screen, so that's probably not an option in most cases, especially since the files you want to drag and drop are usually in finder anyhow. :) Anyway, don't know how useful this will be, but hope it helps a little anyway. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Sat Aug 20 19:02:59 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:02:59 -0400 Subject: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View] In-Reply-To: References: <459D7A99-3499-4AAE-BDB4-A69E3C3E1F04@mac-access.net> <6C263BE7-A5EC-44D2-9FDF-5EBEBA0722AC@Mac-Access.net> <7A02DCBA-C382-46AF-9182-DA387F921BD2@mac-access.net> <48183A1E-0887-4458-8800-F02DEF83729D@Mac-Access.net> <56648A4F-5510-46AB-A32A-D916945990F8@mac-access.net> <41897719-CC42-49CA-A29F-2AE4A1B23452@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <5E99796A-A05D-4A07-BCA8-B5AFAA09660B@Mac-Access.net> On Aug 20, 2011, at 1:30 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Eric > > OK, are you specifically talking about the MacBook, as opposed to the Pro? If that's the case then yes I think 4GB is indeed the limit. I was under the impression that you had a MBP, sorry about that. I just presumed you were generalising when you said MacBook. > > Lynne > Hi Lynne and others, No I was being specific I have a Mac Book not a Pro. According to some info the computer can use 8 GB Ram even though Apple says 4. I'm guessing Gordon's advice would be don't push what the folks recommend. I would love to go to 8 GB but don't want to damage my system or do it for no gain. Someone on this list, with a mac book, must be daring enough to give it a go! I'll wait to see what happens! Eric Caron > On 20 Aug 2011, at 16:11, Eric Caron wrote: > > > On Aug 20, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Eric >> >> No, you're mistaken. They have a maximum of 8GB RAM for the Intel Core 2 Duo processor which mean all of them since about 2007/8 I believe. >> >> Lynne >> > I may be mistaken in wondering if my White case can handle 8 GB but sadly, i'm not mistaken in saying that Apple states clearly that my 2009 6, 1 Mac Book can only take up to 4 gB of ram. For example at Crucial when I run the check on my system it says only 4 gig. On a earlier thread on this list I learned that other sellers say I can go up to 8. I'd love to do that! > > I did more research a week or so ago and landed on a Apple KB article about my machine and it again says only expandable to 4GB. > > When I bought my computer new I didn't know anything. I worked with the sales person at Apple. I would have been glad to get the Pro but the sales person seemed to think I didn't need it as the new White case was almost the same. Well I know understand there are many differences I could now be taking advantage of, if I only had the pro! > > If it would help I'll see if I can find that article again. but if I'm right I want free access to a helpful list where people warmly give me great advice on keeping my Mac working great! Oh! and If I'm right I think I should earn discounts on helpful books like the Take Control series! > > If I'm wrong I'm upgrading to 8 GB of Ram! > > I plan to come out ahead either way! > > Best, > > eRic Caron > >> On 20 Aug 2011, at 14:56, Eric Caron wrote: >> >> >> On Aug 20, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello Eric >>> >>> Gordon's comments were related to installing memory designed to run at a different buss speed. And, did we not just go first? :) >>> >> Hi Lynne, I think you said Gordon has a 2009 Mac Book Pro. That one I think is supposed to go over 4 GB ram. I have a Mac Book White case. If I put in 8 GB I'm going over the 4 gig limit Apple says I have for the White case. I'd love Gordon's thoughts on this as I suspect I could use the extra ram. >> Other listers are reporting that Other World Computing says my unit can run 8 GB but I don't want to damage my machine or do all that work just to find it doesn't work! >> >> So you did go first but not a first in a white case pushing Apples limits! >> >> Or, is his also a white case? >> >> Eric >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From opensesame at me.com Sat Aug 20 19:51:01 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:51:01 -0400 Subject: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View] In-Reply-To: <41897719-CC42-49CA-A29F-2AE4A1B23452@Mac-Access.net> References: <459D7A99-3499-4AAE-BDB4-A69E3C3E1F04@mac-access.net> <6C263BE7-A5EC-44D2-9FDF-5EBEBA0722AC@Mac-Access.net> <7A02DCBA-C382-46AF-9182-DA387F921BD2@mac-access.net> <48183A1E-0887-4458-8800-F02DEF83729D@Mac-Access.net> <56648A4F-5510-46AB-A32A-D916945990F8@mac-access.net> <41897719-CC42-49CA-A29F-2AE4A1B23452@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <6CC67784-BA2A-4180-AEE8-828EB9FEF29F@me.com> Hi Eric, forgive me if I'm repeating this message, but I strongly believe your macbook6,1 can handle either 6 or 8 GB of RAM. IMHO Apple is no different from many other tech companies in being conservative with their RAM recommendations. It is often left up to third party vendors to push the boundaries and do some real world testing so that we, the end-users, can know what the actual limits are. There is a boatload of documentation on the web regarding the pros and cons of running various RAM configurations. As usual, I will reference OWC because they have been around for a very long time specializing in support for Apple products. The following page lists Mac models and gives Apple's recommended maximum RAM alongside OWC's tested maximum RAM: http://eshop.macsales.com/memory/maxram BTW for those who have a 2011 MBP or Mini, looks like your device probably supports 16GB. Now, if they can come up with a way to upgrade RAM in the Macbook Air, that'll be way cool! Cheers, Bryan On Aug 20, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Eric Caron wrote: > I may be mistaken in wondering if my White case can handle 8 GB but sadly, i'm not mistaken in saying that Apple states clearly that my 2009 6, 1 Mac Book can only take up to 4 gB of ram. For example at Crucial when I run the check on my system it says only 4 gig. On a earlier thread on this list I learned that other sellers say I can go up to 8. I'd love to do that! From gordon at mac-access.net Sat Aug 20 20:08:20 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 20:08:20 +0100 Subject: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View] In-Reply-To: <5E99796A-A05D-4A07-BCA8-B5AFAA09660B@Mac-Access.net> References: <459D7A99-3499-4AAE-BDB4-A69E3C3E1F04@mac-access.net> <6C263BE7-A5EC-44D2-9FDF-5EBEBA0722AC@Mac-Access.net> <7A02DCBA-C382-46AF-9182-DA387F921BD2@mac-access.net> <48183A1E-0887-4458-8800-F02DEF83729D@Mac-Access.net> <56648A4F-5510-46AB-A32A-D916945990F8@mac-access.net> <41897719-CC42-49CA-A29F-2AE4A1B23452@Mac-Access.net> <5E99796A-A05D-4A07-BCA8-B5AFAA09660B@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: Hello Eric Gordon is laughingly saying that he'd never advise anybody to stick with playing it safe if it will work. :) But seriously if I were you I'd ask around. See what they say in some of the forums. Lynne On 20 Aug 2011, at 19:02, Eric Caron wrote: On Aug 20, 2011, at 1:30 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Eric > > OK, are you specifically talking about the MacBook, as opposed to the Pro? If that's the case then yes I think 4GB is indeed the limit. I was under the impression that you had a MBP, sorry about that. I just presumed you were generalising when you said MacBook. > > Lynne > Hi Lynne and others, No I was being specific I have a Mac Book not a Pro. According to some info the computer can use 8 GB Ram even though Apple says 4. I'm guessing Gordon's advice would be don't push what the folks recommend. I would love to go to 8 GB but don't want to damage my system or do it for no gain. Someone on this list, with a mac book, must be daring enough to give it a go! I'll wait to see what happens! Eric Caron > On 20 Aug 2011, at 16:11, Eric Caron wrote: > > > On Aug 20, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Eric >> >> No, you're mistaken. They have a maximum of 8GB RAM for the Intel Core 2 Duo processor which mean all of them since about 2007/8 I believe. >> >> Lynne >> > I may be mistaken in wondering if my White case can handle 8 GB but sadly, i'm not mistaken in saying that Apple states clearly that my 2009 6, 1 Mac Book can only take up to 4 gB of ram. For example at Crucial when I run the check on my system it says only 4 gig. On a earlier thread on this list I learned that other sellers say I can go up to 8. I'd love to do that! > > I did more research a week or so ago and landed on a Apple KB article about my machine and it again says only expandable to 4GB. > > When I bought my computer new I didn't know anything. I worked with the sales person at Apple. I would have been glad to get the Pro but the sales person seemed to think I didn't need it as the new White case was almost the same. Well I know understand there are many differences I could now be taking advantage of, if I only had the pro! > > If it would help I'll see if I can find that article again. but if I'm right I want free access to a helpful list where people warmly give me great advice on keeping my Mac working great! Oh! and If I'm right I think I should earn discounts on helpful books like the Take Control series! > > If I'm wrong I'm upgrading to 8 GB of Ram! > > I plan to come out ahead either way! > > Best, > > eRic Caron > >> On 20 Aug 2011, at 14:56, Eric Caron wrote: >> >> >> On Aug 20, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello Eric >>> >>> Gordon's comments were related to installing memory designed to run at a different buss speed. And, did we not just go first? :) >>> >> Hi Lynne, I think you said Gordon has a 2009 Mac Book Pro. That one I think is supposed to go over 4 GB ram. I have a Mac Book White case. If I put in 8 GB I'm going over the 4 gig limit Apple says I have for the White case. I'd love Gordon's thoughts on this as I suspect I could use the extra ram. >> Other listers are reporting that Other World Computing says my unit can run 8 GB but I don't want to damage my machine or do all that work just to find it doesn't work! >> >> So you did go first but not a first in a white case pushing Apples limits! >> >> Or, is his also a white case? >> >> Eric >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From jdawg1983 at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 20:10:46 2011 From: jdawg1983 at gmail.com (Joe Quinn) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:10:46 -0500 Subject: fasforwarding in ITunes In-Reply-To: <6CC67784-BA2A-4180-AEE8-828EB9FEF29F@me.com> References: <459D7A99-3499-4AAE-BDB4-A69E3C3E1F04@mac-access.net> <6C263BE7-A5EC-44D2-9FDF-5EBEBA0722AC@Mac-Access.net> <7A02DCBA-C382-46AF-9182-DA387F921BD2@mac-access.net> <48183A1E-0887-4458-8800-F02DEF83729D@Mac-Access.net> <56648A4F-5510-46AB-A32A-D916945990F8@mac-access.net> <41897719-CC42-49CA-A29F-2AE4A1B23452@Mac-Access.net> <6CC67784-BA2A-4180-AEE8-828EB9FEF29F@me.com> Message-ID: <179AEAF9-953A-4DFA-A17F-5D9241C41917@gmail.com> how do you fast forward/rewind in tracks in ITunes? command something? From opensesame at me.com Sat Aug 20 20:13:14 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:13:14 -0400 Subject: Memory Upgrade; Is It Worth While [Just My View] In-Reply-To: <5E99796A-A05D-4A07-BCA8-B5AFAA09660B@Mac-Access.net> References: <459D7A99-3499-4AAE-BDB4-A69E3C3E1F04@mac-access.net> <6C263BE7-A5EC-44D2-9FDF-5EBEBA0722AC@Mac-Access.net> <7A02DCBA-C382-46AF-9182-DA387F921BD2@mac-access.net> <48183A1E-0887-4458-8800-F02DEF83729D@Mac-Access.net> <56648A4F-5510-46AB-A32A-D916945990F8@mac-access.net> <41897719-CC42-49CA-A29F-2AE4A1B23452@Mac-Access.net> <5E99796A-A05D-4A07-BCA8-B5AFAA09660B@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: Hello Eric, You wrote: > Someone on this list, with a mac book, must be daring enough to give it a go! I'll wait to see what happens! Well, since you put it that way. . I had one of the first white macbooks, which I think was in late 2006 or early 2007. Apple's documented limit for that model was 2GB. OWC determined that model could actually hold 4GB and could address 3GB. I installed the extra RAM and ran Tiger with no problems. In mid 2008 I purchased my first and only MBP and gave the white Macbook to a nephew in college. Last week I spoke with that nephew, now a grad student, and asked how the macbook is holding up. He said it's still working great, He uses it all day, every day. He upgraded the HD to a 500GB 7200RPM drive and is still running Tiger with the 3GB RAM. He'll now be getting my retired last-generation Air and the old white macbook will go to another starving student somewhere in my family tree. HTH, Bryan From kc4gfr at aol.com Sat Aug 20 21:22:43 2011 From: kc4gfr at aol.com (Randy Stegall) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 16:22:43 -0400 Subject: fasforwarding in ITunes In-Reply-To: <179AEAF9-953A-4DFA-A17F-5D9241C41917@gmail.com> References: <459D7A99-3499-4AAE-BDB4-A69E3C3E1F04@mac-access.net> <6C263BE7-A5EC-44D2-9FDF-5EBEBA0722AC@Mac-Access.net> <7A02DCBA-C382-46AF-9182-DA387F921BD2@mac-access.net> <48183A1E-0887-4458-8800-F02DEF83729D@Mac-Access.net> <56648A4F-5510-46AB-A32A-D916945990F8@mac-access.net> <41897719-CC42-49CA-A29F-2AE4A1B23452@Mac-Access.net> <6CC67784-BA2A-4180-AEE8-828EB9FEF29F@me.com> <179AEAF9-953A-4DFA-A17F-5D9241C41917@gmail.com> Message-ID: <13715BA1-F83F-4009-B5D6-8A13E96AA238@aol.com> Command option right or left arrow. Randy Stegall kc4gfr at aol.com Sent from my Mac Mini. On Aug 20, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Joe Quinn wrote: > how do you fast forward/rewind in tracks in ITunes? command something? > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Sat Aug 20 21:45:14 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 06:45:14 +1000 Subject: formatting a my passport western digital hard drive Message-ID: <9142227B-88D8-4958-9A29-888D372E80B7@bluebottle.com> i tried to format this drive and i got a error saying saying that format could not be compleatted does this mean the drive is dead or is there hope for it From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 22:41:38 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 14:41:38 -0700 Subject: formatting a my passport western digital hard drive In-Reply-To: <9142227B-88D8-4958-9A29-888D372E80B7@bluebottle.com> References: <9142227B-88D8-4958-9A29-888D372E80B7@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: <8148C73B-51B1-462D-866B-BA95006ED4AC@gmail.com> Were you formatting the top section where it says expanded or the drive name. if the former ou need to go down one row int he disk utility and format the drive name to mac osx exdented journaled. if that is what you want to do. On Aug 20, 2011, at 1:45 PM, krystal watson wrote: > i tried to format this drive and i got a error saying saying that format could not be compleatted does this mean the drive is dead or is there hope for it > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From d.griffith at btinternet.com Sat Aug 20 23:30:07 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:30:07 +0100 Subject: FW: Voiceover appearing to conflict with VM Fusion Message-ID: For some reason every mail I send from the Mac to the list is being bounced with message that I am an unknown user. Trying again from my PC. I would very much appreciate help with the below. -----Original Message----- From: David Griffith [mailto:d.griffith at btinternet.com] Sent: Saturday, 20 August 2011 23:08 To: David Griffith Subject: Fwd: Voiceover appearing to conflict with VM Fusion Subject: Voiceover appearing to conflict with VM Fusion Date: 20 August 2011 22:53:44 GMT+01:00 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility I hope that this message is on topic. I installed VM Fusion today and then installed Windows 7 Professional My problem is that the shortcut key command g does not work. My sighted daughter was not even able to click in the Windows 7 Virtual machine window until I had turned Voiceover off. Everything was then fine until I command tabbed back to the Mac whereupon it became again impossible to return to the Windows virtual machine. Turning Voiceover on or off has no result in allowing the shortcut key to work. At the moment the only way to access the virtual machine is to turn Voiceover off and click with the Trackpad. I allowed VM fusion to update when I installed it so I hope that was not a mistake and that VM Fusion is still accessible. Tearing my hair out a bit so any help welcome. Regards David Griffith __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6396 (20110820) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6396 (20110820) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Aug 20 23:52:28 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 15:52:28 -0700 Subject: Bugs & Fixes: How best to restore an OS X Lion drive Message-ID: I can't believe that let's say if you restore from a CCC bootable version of lion when you erase and reformat the drive and you restore from said ccc back up the recovery drive is *not* restored. See below. Bugs & Fixes: How best to restore an OS X Lion drive With the arrival of Lion, figuring out the best way to be prepared for a restore of your drive requires more planning than ever before. Ted Landau walks you through the many options. http://onj.me/10e From moopiecurran at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 00:14:59 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:14:59 -0400 Subject: Voiceover appearing to conflict with VM Fusion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2386616C-3C35-4C39-8858-9DA524868CCE@gmail.com> Hi David, I think I know what your problem is with voiceover impeding your use of vmware fusion. To use vmware fusion along with your mac, go into fusion, and put that window into fullscreen mode by pressing command-control-enter. This is a fullscreen toggle command, so you shouldn't have to do this every time you restart fusion. HTH, Courtney On Aug 20, 2011, at 6:30 PM, David Griffith wrote: > For some reason every mail I send from the Mac to the list is being bounced > with message that I am an unknown user. > Trying again from my PC. > I would very much appreciate help with the below. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Griffith [mailto:d.griffith at btinternet.com] > Sent: Saturday, 20 August 2011 23:08 > To: David Griffith > Subject: Fwd: Voiceover appearing to conflict with VM Fusion > > > > > Subject: Voiceover appearing to conflict with VM Fusion > > Date: 20 August 2011 22:53:44 GMT+01:00 > > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > > > I hope that this message is on topic. > I installed VM Fusion today and then installed Windows 7 > Professional > > My problem is that the shortcut key command g does not work. My > sighted daughter was not even able to click in the Windows 7 Virtual machine > window until I had turned Voiceover off. Everything was then fine until I > command tabbed back to the Mac whereupon it became again impossible to > return to the Windows virtual machine. Turning Voiceover on or off has no > result in allowing the shortcut key to work. > At the moment the only way to access the virtual machine is to turn > Voiceover off and click with the Trackpad. I allowed VM fusion to update > when I installed it so I hope that was not a mistake and that VM Fusion is > still accessible. > > Tearing my hair out a bit so any help welcome. > Regards > David Griffith > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6396 (20110820) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6396 (20110820) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 01:23:27 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 17:23:27 -0700 Subject: Voiceover appearing to conflict with VM Fusion In-Reply-To: <2386616C-3C35-4C39-8858-9DA524868CCE@gmail.com> References: <2386616C-3C35-4C39-8858-9DA524868CCE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42A8CA66-78CE-40A6-987F-EB68CC9422FF@gmail.com> Actually I disabled full screen mode and enabled the gobble shortcuts. cmd g works for me except when I accidentally use vo keystrokes inside windows. then I need to suspend and vm and bring it back to life. Then and only then can I use cmd g to get back to what ever I was doing. On Aug 20, 2011, at 4:14 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi David, > I think I know what your problem is with voiceover impeding your use of vmware fusion. To use vmware fusion along with your mac, go into fusion, and put that window into fullscreen mode by pressing command-control-enter. This is a fullscreen toggle command, so you shouldn't have to do this every time you restart fusion. > HTH, > Courtney > > On Aug 20, 2011, at 6:30 PM, David Griffith wrote: > >> For some reason every mail I send from the Mac to the list is being bounced >> with message that I am an unknown user. >> Trying again from my PC. >> I would very much appreciate help with the below. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David Griffith [mailto:d.griffith at btinternet.com] >> Sent: Saturday, 20 August 2011 23:08 >> To: David Griffith >> Subject: Fwd: Voiceover appearing to conflict with VM Fusion >> >> >> >> >> Subject: Voiceover appearing to conflict with VM Fusion >> >> Date: 20 August 2011 22:53:44 GMT+01:00 >> >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> >> >> I hope that this message is on topic. >> I installed VM Fusion today and then installed Windows 7 >> Professional >> >> My problem is that the shortcut key command g does not work. My >> sighted daughter was not even able to click in the Windows 7 Virtual machine >> window until I had turned Voiceover off. Everything was then fine until I >> command tabbed back to the Mac whereupon it became again impossible to >> return to the Windows virtual machine. Turning Voiceover on or off has no >> result in allowing the shortcut key to work. >> At the moment the only way to access the virtual machine is to turn >> Voiceover off and click with the Trackpad. I allowed VM fusion to update >> when I installed it so I hope that was not a mistake and that VM Fusion is >> still accessible. >> >> Tearing my hair out a bit so any help welcome. >> Regards >> David Griffith >> >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >> database 6396 (20110820) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >> database 6396 (20110820) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Sun Aug 21 02:00:20 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:00:20 +1000 Subject: formatting a my passport western digital hard drive In-Reply-To: <8148C73B-51B1-462D-866B-BA95006ED4AC@gmail.com> References: <9142227B-88D8-4958-9A29-888D372E80B7@bluebottle.com> <8148C73B-51B1-462D-866B-BA95006ED4AC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <601E439D-EBEB-45B6-B1EA-06300B69E339@bluebottle.com> the error i was getting said can not format last block of the device i don't understand this error message then afterwards the mac froze up and it took several restarts to get it to boot was very scary On 21/08/2011, at 7:41 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Were you formatting the top section where it says expanded or the drive name. if the former ou need to go down one row int he disk utility and format the drive name to mac osx exdented journaled. if that is what you want to do. > On Aug 20, 2011, at 1:45 PM, krystal watson wrote: > >> i tried to format this drive and i got a error saying saying that format could not be compleatted does this mean the drive is dead or is there hope for it >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 03:14:04 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 19:14:04 -0700 Subject: formatting a my passport western digital hard drive In-Reply-To: <601E439D-EBEB-45B6-B1EA-06300B69E339@bluebottle.com> References: <9142227B-88D8-4958-9A29-888D372E80B7@bluebottle.com> <8148C73B-51B1-462D-866B-BA95006ED4AC@gmail.com> <601E439D-EBEB-45B6-B1EA-06300B69E339@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: Hmm Can you do a verify disk on that drive to make sure it is not completely dead? Good luck. On Aug 20, 2011, at 6:00 PM, krystal watson wrote: > the error i was getting said can not format last block of the device i don't understand this error message then afterwards the mac froze up and it took several restarts to get it to boot was very scary > On 21/08/2011, at 7:41 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Were you formatting the top section where it says expanded or the drive name. if the former ou need to go down one row int he disk utility and format the drive name to mac osx exdented journaled. if that is what you want to do. >> On Aug 20, 2011, at 1:45 PM, krystal watson wrote: >> >>> i tried to format this drive and i got a error saying saying that format could not be compleatted does this mean the drive is dead or is there hope for it >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Sun Aug 21 03:19:57 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 22:19:57 -0400 Subject: Airport Express Can it connect a external drive? Message-ID: <608E18E5-820A-4F14-86C5-0EF708A00F39@Mac-Access.net> Dear list. I have a Airport express that is extending my network and used for playing music. there is a USB port on there for a printer. Can that be used for a external storage drive? If so how do I find it, on my computer, once I plug it in? Feel free to tell me I'm being silly and or it can't be done. It's just I have a old drive and the space over by that machine. A little extra storage never hurts. Eric Caron From grtdane at internode.on.net Sun Aug 21 03:31:04 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:31:04 +1000 Subject: Airport Express Can it connect a external drive? In-Reply-To: <608E18E5-820A-4F14-86C5-0EF708A00F39@Mac-Access.net> References: <608E18E5-820A-4F14-86C5-0EF708A00F39@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <06F7ED5D-AEB4-4174-8E6C-1441C62D50D2@internode.on.net> Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the USB port on your Airport Express is for a printer only. On 21/08/2011, at 12:19 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > Dear list. > > I have a Airport express that is extending my network and used for playing music. there is a USB port on there for a printer. Can that be used for a external storage drive? If so how do I find it, on my computer, once I plug it in? > > Feel free to tell me I'm being silly and or it can't be done. It's just I have a old drive and the space over by that machine. A little extra storage never hurts. > > Eric Caron > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun Aug 21 04:06:50 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:06:50 -0400 Subject: Up to date Interactive Fiction apps? In-Reply-To: <9356446D-9BF4-4403-8092-305211933A93@gmail.com> References: <9356446D-9BF4-4403-8092-305211933A93@gmail.com> Message-ID: <11A500C6-A4BA-491C-B679-C6E838E9BB8D@softcon.com> I never got zoom to work on *any* version of osx. I use a terminal version of jzip to play the inform games. If you navigate to the softcon pages at: http://www.softcon.com/mac/ and go to the games area, you should find it there. I don't have things broken out into games, and game executers, but I think I did put it there on that page. If I didn't, drop a line, and I'll make sure it gets put up. hth. From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun Aug 21 04:10:34 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:10:34 -0400 Subject: Apple Mail question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3B80D4B3-D1CC-4513-B589-8D8F6351D7E1@softcon.com> Paul, you can simply set up the account as imap, and simply never send anything while using that account. That will allow you to read all the messages, but as long as you don't delete them, they will still show up on the other computers pulling that account as well. Apple mail always checks that the server you have listed *can* send mail, but you can always remove that entry after you've got the account setup. That would then pop up a message asking which server to use when sending mail, something your other accounts shouldn't do if mail handled them properly. From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun Aug 21 04:15:47 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:15:47 -0400 Subject: Overlapping windows In-Reply-To: <1DCD8488-886F-4BA2-A96D-A849E7D53C84@mac-access.net> References: <154C5ABA-E73B-4451-90B7-F0B7946ADDE7@mac-access.net> <07B16BE7-CED1-4BB2-A831-5697A626A48F@aol.com> <13AFC583-3A01-4A8D-8858-03807953C7DC@mac-access.net> <3A6D5751-EFBC-4F6B-98E1-588AB330ACFA@aol.com> <89F16C22-090B-4061-86BB-4CFE0BE77CEB@mac-access.net> <2BDEA34D-A087-44A1-A5AC-0484A46FC190@virginmedia.com> <69E29B10-E589-4224-AA68-56AF53261E96@mac-access.net> <1DCD8488-886F-4BA2-A96D-A849E7D53C84@mac-access.net> Message-ID: On Aug 20, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Travis > > To explain a little more about this. We need to drag a file from > the Finder into the Server Admin window. When you say "Maximise" > the window, I have never seen that term used for Mac stuff.Apple > calls it zoom, but it does the same thing. If you go to the toolbar, under window, you'll find a zoom option. If you click on that, it maximizes the window, (supposedly) to take up the entire screen, but that doesn't always work, sometimes it only makes the window slightly larger, and repeated zooms don't add to the affect. However, it's usually enough t point out to sighted folks which window it is you're talking about anyhow. hth. From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Sun Aug 21 07:11:32 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:11:32 +1000 Subject: formatting a my passport western digital hard drive In-Reply-To: References: <9142227B-88D8-4958-9A29-888D372E80B7@bluebottle.com> <8148C73B-51B1-462D-866B-BA95006ED4AC@gmail.com> <601E439D-EBEB-45B6-B1EA-06300B69E339@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: <6BA15187-BAAE-45A6-9CDD-A1BF36391D89@bluebottle.com> verify is dimmed sad smiley On 21/08/2011, at 12:14 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Hmm Can you do a verify disk on that drive to make sure it is not completely dead? > > Good luck. > On Aug 20, 2011, at 6:00 PM, krystal watson wrote: > >> the error i was getting said can not format last block of the device i don't understand this error message then afterwards the mac froze up and it took several restarts to get it to boot was very scary >> On 21/08/2011, at 7:41 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> Were you formatting the top section where it says expanded or the drive name. if the former ou need to go down one row int he disk utility and format the drive name to mac osx exdented journaled. if that is what you want to do. >>> On Aug 20, 2011, at 1:45 PM, krystal watson wrote: >>> >>>> i tried to format this drive and i got a error saying saying that format could not be compleatted does this mean the drive is dead or is there hope for it >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 07:59:26 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 23:59:26 -0700 Subject: formatting a my passport western digital hard drive In-Reply-To: <6BA15187-BAAE-45A6-9CDD-A1BF36391D89@bluebottle.com> References: <9142227B-88D8-4958-9A29-888D372E80B7@bluebottle.com> <8148C73B-51B1-462D-866B-BA95006ED4AC@gmail.com> <601E439D-EBEB-45B6-B1EA-06300B69E339@bluebottle.com> <6BA15187-BAAE-45A6-9CDD-A1BF36391D89@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: Ok. Don't verify at the root of the drive. very at the drive name,, example jane doe's music drive lol! If it is dimmed? I don't know. I'm hoping someone with more smarts when I can help you. I don't think the drive is dead and I'm sure hoping not. Take care. On Aug 20, 2011, at 11:11 PM, krystal watson wrote: > verify is dimmed sad smiley > On 21/08/2011, at 12:14 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Hmm Can you do a verify disk on that drive to make sure it is not completely dead? >> >> Good luck. >> On Aug 20, 2011, at 6:00 PM, krystal watson wrote: >> >>> the error i was getting said can not format last block of the device i don't understand this error message then afterwards the mac froze up and it took several restarts to get it to boot was very scary >>> On 21/08/2011, at 7:41 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> >>>> Were you formatting the top section where it says expanded or the drive name. if the former ou need to go down one row int he disk utility and format the drive name to mac osx exdented journaled. if that is what you want to do. >>>> On Aug 20, 2011, at 1:45 PM, krystal watson wrote: >>>> >>>>> i tried to format this drive and i got a error saying saying that format could not be compleatted does this mean the drive is dead or is there hope for it >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 08:00:54 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 00:00:54 -0700 Subject: Airport Express Can it connect a external drive? In-Reply-To: <06F7ED5D-AEB4-4174-8E6C-1441C62D50D2@internode.on.net> References: <608E18E5-820A-4F14-86C5-0EF708A00F39@Mac-Access.net> <06F7ED5D-AEB4-4174-8E6C-1441C62D50D2@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hmm I know of someone who connected a drive to there airport and it's wiring good, but I also might be wrong as I don't use the things lol! On Aug 20, 2011, at 7:31 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the USB port on your Airport Express is for a printer only. > > > On 21/08/2011, at 12:19 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > >> Dear list. >> >> I have a Airport express that is extending my network and used for playing music. there is a USB port on there for a printer. Can that be used for a external storage drive? If so how do I find it, on my computer, once I plug it in? >> >> Feel free to tell me I'm being silly and or it can't be done. It's just I have a old drive and the space over by that machine. A little extra storage never hurts. >> >> Eric Caron >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Sun Aug 21 11:33:39 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:33:39 +0100 Subject: Secure Edit Boxes Message-ID: Hello All, Is there a way to get VoiceOver to speak the contents of a secure edit box? I primarily need this in a web site but it would also be useful in other circumstances. I vaguely remember this was discussed on the list some time ago but I cannot remember the outcome. Many thanks.... Paul Hopewell From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Sun Aug 21 14:03:02 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:03:02 -0400 Subject: Airport Express Can it connect a external drive? In-Reply-To: <06F7ED5D-AEB4-4174-8E6C-1441C62D50D2@internode.on.net> References: <608E18E5-820A-4F14-86C5-0EF708A00F39@Mac-Access.net> <06F7ED5D-AEB4-4174-8E6C-1441C62D50D2@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <1F5CE2EC-11D8-435E-BF66-6CACD802EF2D@Mac-Access.net> On Aug 20, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the USB port on your Airport Express is for a printer only. > > Dane, I stated that in my message, the USB is intended by Apple for a printer. My question is can it be used for a external drive? Sometimes Apple devices can do more then what is stated. For example my Time Capsule is supposed to be able to run a printer or a external drive but the Apple tech people tell me off the record that I can hook up to 4 devices using a powered hub. So my question is can I use my express for a drive with the usb? Is anyone out there doing that? Thanks. Eric Caron > On 21/08/2011, at 12:19 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > >> Dear list. >> >> I have a Airport express that is extending my network and used for playing music. there is a USB port on there for a printer. Can that be used for a external storage drive? If so how do I find it, on my computer, once I plug it in? >> >> Feel free to tell me I'm being silly and or it can't be done. It's just I have a old drive and the space over by that machine. A little extra storage never hurts. >> >> Eric Caron >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jdawg1983 at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 14:17:22 2011 From: jdawg1983 at gmail.com (joe quinn) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 08:17:22 -0500 Subject: twitter apps under mac OSX Message-ID: <211F7C51D6524A7CA3A1197F3CCB3312@joseph1> what apps are accessible with twitter under lion? seems as if the twitter main one isn't... From Frank.Ventura at littlebreezes.com Sun Aug 21 14:18:40 2011 From: Frank.Ventura at littlebreezes.com (Frank Ventura) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:18:40 -0400 Subject: Problems creating a home share in ITunes using Voice Over Message-ID: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2DD3@mail.mail.breezes.local> Hello all, I have an older Mac Mini (2.o ghz core2duo and 1 GB of RAM) running the last update to Snow Leopard. I am using ITunes and am trying to create a home share. I have successfully signed into the ITunes store and have authorized the computer under the Store menu. When I go into the Advanced menu and select turn home sharing on I get the usual account name and password dialog. I fill in my account name and in the PW field I hear clicks when I type the PW. The only problem is the "create home share" button says dimmed and won't allow me to activate it either by pressing enter or by pressing control option space which is the voiceover command to click the button. I have the check box ticked in preferences that says share my library. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you Frank Ventura From n0oxy at charter.net Sun Aug 21 15:09:36 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:09:36 -0500 Subject: Secure Edit Boxes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <72E76497-C949-48A0-9860-6D179047A9A9@charter.net> At this time, it does not echo the contents of these, if you have sound turned on, it will click for each character entered. On Aug 21, 2011, at 5:33 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello All, > Is there a way to get VoiceOver to speak the contents of a secure edit box? I primarily need this in a web site but it would also be useful in other circumstances. I vaguely remember this was discussed on the list some time ago but I cannot remember the outcome. > Many thanks.... > > Paul Hopewell > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Sun Aug 21 16:26:07 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:26:07 +0100 Subject: Problems creating a home share in ITunes using Voice Over In-Reply-To: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2DD3@mail.mail.breezes.local> References: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2DD3@mail.mail.breezes.local> Message-ID: <70E3818E-7ABF-45AB-82FA-DDE66A4630D1@virginmedia.com> Hi Frank! You could see if anything needs turning on or even off in the sharing section of Itunes prefs! Open prefs command+comma then go to tool bar and interact then scroll over to the share button and vo+space then stop interacting! Then you can go through all the options to see if and what you might need to change! Of course you'll need to click the lock to make changes and again to prevent further changes! Then go to the OK button vo+space on that and you should be done! Also you might need to look in sharing in system prefs to see if anything needs doing there! hth Colin On 21 Aug 2011, at 14:18, Frank Ventura wrote: > Hello all, I have an older Mac Mini (2.o ghz core2duo and 1 GB of RAM) > running the last update to Snow Leopard. I am using ITunes and am trying > to create a home share. I have successfully signed into the ITunes store > and have authorised the computer under the Store menu. When I go into > the Advanced menu and select turn home sharing on I get the usual > account name and password dialog. I fill in my account name and in the > PW field I hear clicks when I type the PW. The only problem is the > "create home share" button says dimmed and won't allow me to activate it > either by pressing enter or by pressing control option space which is > the voiceover command to click the button. I have the check box ticked > in preferences that says share my library. > Any help would be appreciated. > Thank you > Frank Ventura > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jpanarese at mac-access.net Sun Aug 21 16:50:14 2011 From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 11:50:14 -0400 Subject: Airport Express Can it connect a external drive? In-Reply-To: <1F5CE2EC-11D8-435E-BF66-6CACD802EF2D@Mac-Access.net> References: <608E18E5-820A-4F14-86C5-0EF708A00F39@Mac-Access.net> <06F7ED5D-AEB4-4174-8E6C-1441C62D50D2@internode.on.net> <1F5CE2EC-11D8-435E-BF66-6CACD802EF2D@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: I've use the USB port for an external drive. It works fine as far as I found. I don't recall having to do anything special to get the Mac to see it either. Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net On Aug 21, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Eric Caron wrote: > > On Aug 20, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the USB port on your Airport Express is for a printer only. >> >> Dane, > > I stated that in my message, the USB is intended by Apple for a printer. My question is can it be used for a external drive? Sometimes Apple devices can do more then what is stated. For example my Time Capsule is supposed to be able to run a printer or a external drive but the Apple tech people tell me off the record that I can hook up to 4 devices using a powered hub. So my question is can I use my express for a drive with the usb? Is anyone out there doing that? > > Thanks. > > Eric Caron > >> On 21/08/2011, at 12:19 PM, Eric Caron wrote: >> >>> Dear list. >>> >>> I have a Airport express that is extending my network and used for playing music. there is a USB port on there for a printer. Can that be used for a external storage drive? If so how do I find it, on my computer, once I plug it in? >>> >>> Feel free to tell me I'm being silly and or it can't be done. It's just I have a old drive and the space over by that machine. A little extra storage never hurts. >>> >>> Eric Caron >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Sun Aug 21 17:03:04 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 09:03:04 -0700 Subject: Test, Please do not reply to this message on list! Message-ID: <7AF4B082-C2F2-4D4F-BB9B-1743F2D18E7E@q.com> For some time now, I have been able to receive list messages, but have not been able to post to the list. As it turns out, our internet router/modem failed completely. Late yesterday it was replaced, so I'm hoping my posting problem will have been taken care of. Desi From Frank.Ventura at littlebreezes.com Sun Aug 21 17:08:42 2011 From: Frank.Ventura at littlebreezes.com (Frank Ventura) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:08:42 -0400 Subject: Problems creating a home share in ITunes using Voice Over In-Reply-To: <70E3818E-7ABF-45AB-82FA-DDE66A4630D1@virginmedia.com> References: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2DD3@mail.mail.breezes.local> <70E3818E-7ABF-45AB-82FA-DDE66A4630D1@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2DD5@mail.mail.breezes.local> Colin, thanks I already checked the sharing tab in ITunes prefs. I have not checked in system prefs. What should I be looking for there? Frank -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Red.Falcon Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:26 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Problems creating a home share in ITunes using Voice Over Hi Frank! You could see if anything needs turning on or even off in the sharing section of Itunes prefs! Open prefs command+comma then go to tool bar and interact then scroll over to the share button and vo+space then stop interacting! Then you can go through all the options to see if and what you might need to change! Of course you'll need to click the lock to make changes and again to prevent further changes! Then go to the OK button vo+space on that and you should be done! Also you might need to look in sharing in system prefs to see if anything needs doing there! hth Colin On 21 Aug 2011, at 14:18, Frank Ventura wrote: > Hello all, I have an older Mac Mini (2.o ghz core2duo and 1 GB of RAM) > running the last update to Snow Leopard. I am using ITunes and am > trying to create a home share. I have successfully signed into the > ITunes store and have authorised the computer under the Store menu. > When I go into the Advanced menu and select turn home sharing on I get > the usual account name and password dialog. I fill in my account name > and in the PW field I hear clicks when I type the PW. The only problem > is the "create home share" button says dimmed and won't allow me to > activate it either by pressing enter or by pressing control option > space which is the voiceover command to click the button. I have the > check box ticked in preferences that says share my library. > Any help would be appreciated. > Thank you > Frank Ventura > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Sun Aug 21 17:10:39 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 17:10:39 +0100 Subject: Overlapping windows In-Reply-To: References: <154C5ABA-E73B-4451-90B7-F0B7946ADDE7@mac-access.net> <07B16BE7-CED1-4BB2-A831-5697A626A48F@aol.com> <13AFC583-3A01-4A8D-8858-03807953C7DC@mac-access.net> <3A6D5751-EFBC-4F6B-98E1-588AB330ACFA@aol.com> <89F16C22-090B-4061-86BB-4CFE0BE77CEB@mac-access.net> <2BDEA34D-A087-44A1-A5AC-0484A46FC190@virginmedia.com> <69E29B10-E589-4224-AA68-56AF53261E96@mac-access.net> <1DCD8488-886F-4BA2-A96D-A849E7D53C84@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Lynne and Gordon! I do not know if you got this fixed! But I'm a bit dense! :] One of my suggestions in the middle of all, was command+` to cycle through windows! And I do not if this will work either! But that is not a vo command and gordon was not looking for a vo option! If this is also no good then my limited knowledge is at a end! :] hahahahaha Colin On 21 Aug 2011, at 04:15, Travis Siegel wrote: > > On Aug 20, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Travis >> >> To explain a little more about this. We need to drag a file from the Finder into the Server Admin window. When you say "Maximise" the window, I have never seen that term used for Mac stuff.Apple calls it zoom, but it does the same thing. > If you go to the toolbar, under window, you'll find a zoom option. If you click on that, it maximises the window, (supposedly) to take up the entire screen, but that doesn't always work, sometimes it only makes the window slightly larger, and repeated zooms don't add to the affect. > However, it's usually enough t point out to sighted folks which window it is you're talking about anyhow. > hth. > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Sun Aug 21 17:24:19 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 17:24:19 +0100 Subject: Problems creating a home share in ITunes using Voice Over In-Reply-To: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2DD5@mail.mail.breezes.local> References: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2DD3@mail.mail.breezes.local> <70E3818E-7ABF-45AB-82FA-DDE66A4630D1@virginmedia.com> <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2DD5@mail.mail.breezes.local> Message-ID: <000B241C-CFB4-47AF-9BE6-676F2634E949@virginmedia.com> Hi Frank! I'm not sure but there is a share button in system prefs and one of the options is cd's and dvd's but this might be for other computers to use your stuff! Also [if you haven't already] check the parental control to see if that is stopping you! After that then I'm of no further use! :] And maybe someone else might be able too! All the best! Colin On 21 Aug 2011, at 17:08, Frank Ventura wrote: > Colin, thanks I already checked the sharing tab in ITunes prefs. I have > not checked in system prefs. What should I be looking for there? > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Red.Falcon > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:26 AM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Problems creating a home share in ITunes using Voice Over > > Hi Frank! > You could see if anything needs turning on or even off in the sharing > section of Itunes prefs! > Open prefs command+comma then go to tool bar and interact then scroll > over to the share button and vo+space then stop interacting! > Then you can go through all the options to see if and what you might > need to change! > Of course you'll need to click the lock to make changes and again to > prevent further changes! > Then go to the OK button vo+space on that and you should be done! > Also you might need to look in sharing in system prefs to see if > anything needs doing there! > hth Colin > > On 21 Aug 2011, at 14:18, Frank Ventura wrote: > >> Hello all, I have an older Mac Mini (2.o ghz core2duo and 1 GB of RAM) > >> running the last update to Snow Leopard. I am using ITunes and am >> trying to create a home share. I have successfully signed into the >> ITunes store and have authorised the computer under the Store menu. >> When I go into the Advanced menu and select turn home sharing on I get > >> the usual account name and password dialog. I fill in my account name >> and in the PW field I hear clicks when I type the PW. The only problem > >> is the "create home share" button says dimmed and won't allow me to >> activate it either by pressing enter or by pressing control option >> space which is the voiceover command to click the button. I have the >> check box ticked in preferences that says share my library. >> Any help would be appreciated. >> Thank you >> Frank Ventura >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access > forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access > forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Sun Aug 21 19:22:50 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 04:22:50 +1000 Subject: Airport Express Can it connect a external drive? In-Reply-To: References: <608E18E5-820A-4F14-86C5-0EF708A00F39@Mac-Access.net> <06F7ED5D-AEB4-4174-8E6C-1441C62D50D2@internode.on.net> <1F5CE2EC-11D8-435E-BF66-6CACD802EF2D@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <4E514CFA.1060202@internode.on.net> I'll give that another go then, I didn't get a USB external drive to work on mine and when I went hunting for answers I noted that their were no options for external drives present for the Airport Express in the Airport Utility so I just assumed that you could only hook up a printer to the Airport Express and thus did no further work or research. On 22/08/2011 1:50 AM, John Panarese wrote: > I've use the USB port for an external drive. It works fine as far as I found. I don't recall having to do anything special to get the Mac to see it either. > > Take Care > John Panarese > jpanarese at mac-access.net > > > > On Aug 21, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Eric Caron wrote: > >> On Aug 20, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the USB port on your Airport Express is for a printer only. >>> >>> Dane, >> I stated that in my message, the USB is intended by Apple for a printer. My question is can it be used for a external drive? Sometimes Apple devices can do more then what is stated. For example my Time Capsule is supposed to be able to run a printer or a external drive but the Apple tech people tell me off the record that I can hook up to 4 devices using a powered hub. So my question is can I use my express for a drive with the usb? Is anyone out there doing that? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Eric Caron >> >>> On 21/08/2011, at 12:19 PM, Eric Caron wrote: >>> >>>> Dear list. >>>> >>>> I have a Airport express that is extending my network and used for playing music. there is a USB port on there for a printer. Can that be used for a external storage drive? If so how do I find it, on my computer, once I plug it in? >>>> >>>> Feel free to tell me I'm being silly and or it can't be done. It's just I have a old drive and the space over by that machine. A little extra storage never hurts. >>>> >>>> Eric Caron >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia skype callto:grtdane12 MSN: grtdane at dane-trethowan.net From Frank.Ventura at littlebreezes.com Sun Aug 21 19:39:24 2011 From: Frank.Ventura at littlebreezes.com (Frank Ventura) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:39:24 -0400 Subject: Problems creating a home share in ITunes using Voice Over In-Reply-To: <000B241C-CFB4-47AF-9BE6-676F2634E949@virginmedia.com> References: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2DD3@mail.mail.breezes.local><70E3818E-7ABF-45AB-82FA-DDE66A4630D1@virginmedia.com><1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2DD5@mail.mail.breezes.local> <000B241C-CFB4-47AF-9BE6-676F2634E949@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2DD8@mail.mail.breezes.local> Thanks, nothing is checked in parental controls and everything is turned in sharing under system prefs. This one really has me befuddled. Frank -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Red.Falcon Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 12:24 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Problems creating a home share in ITunes using Voice Over Hi Frank! I'm not sure but there is a share button in system prefs and one of the options is cd's and dvd's but this might be for other computers to use your stuff! Also [if you haven't already] check the parental control to see if that is stopping you! After that then I'm of no further use! :] And maybe someone else might be able too! All the best! Colin On 21 Aug 2011, at 17:08, Frank Ventura wrote: > Colin, thanks I already checked the sharing tab in ITunes prefs. I > have not checked in system prefs. What should I be looking for there? > Frank > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Red.Falcon > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 11:26 AM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Problems creating a home share in ITunes using Voice Over > > Hi Frank! > You could see if anything needs turning on or even off in the sharing > section of Itunes prefs! > Open prefs command+comma then go to tool bar and interact then scroll > over to the share button and vo+space then stop interacting! > Then you can go through all the options to see if and what you might > need to change! > Of course you'll need to click the lock to make changes and again to > prevent further changes! > Then go to the OK button vo+space on that and you should be done! > Also you might need to look in sharing in system prefs to see if > anything needs doing there! > hth Colin > > On 21 Aug 2011, at 14:18, Frank Ventura wrote: > >> Hello all, I have an older Mac Mini (2.o ghz core2duo and 1 GB of >> RAM) > >> running the last update to Snow Leopard. I am using ITunes and am >> trying to create a home share. I have successfully signed into the >> ITunes store and have authorised the computer under the Store menu. >> When I go into the Advanced menu and select turn home sharing on I >> get > >> the usual account name and password dialog. I fill in my account name >> and in the PW field I hear clicks when I type the PW. The only >> problem > >> is the "create home share" button says dimmed and won't allow me to >> activate it either by pressing enter or by pressing control option >> space which is the voiceover command to click the button. I have the >> check box ticked in preferences that says share my library. >> Any help would be appreciated. >> Thank you >> Frank Ventura >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access > forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access > forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 20:27:12 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:27:12 -0700 Subject: Secure Edit Boxes In-Reply-To: <72E76497-C949-48A0-9860-6D179047A9A9@charter.net> References: <72E76497-C949-48A0-9860-6D179047A9A9@charter.net> Message-ID: <7585A534-1CA9-4780-9C4C-B3A197537B7E@gmail.com> which to me is a good safety feature. I don't want to have the public public to hear what I"m typing in those boxes. Take care all. On Aug 21, 2011, at 7:09 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > At this time, it does not echo the contents of these, if you have sound turned on, it will click for each character entered. > On Aug 21, 2011, at 5:33 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > >> Hello All, >> Is there a way to get VoiceOver to speak the contents of a secure edit box? I primarily need this in a web site but it would also be useful in other circumstances. I vaguely remember this was discussed on the list some time ago but I cannot remember the outcome. >> Many thanks.... >> >> Paul Hopewell >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 20:28:12 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:28:12 -0700 Subject: twitter apps under mac OSX In-Reply-To: <211F7C51D6524A7CA3A1197F3CCB3312@joseph1> References: <211F7C51D6524A7CA3A1197F3CCB3312@joseph1> Message-ID: <08F268D1-95F1-47F0-8D11-6870707CF6C5@gmail.com> I use night owl also called yorufukorou. I can't spell let alone pronounce it lol! but it works very well for me. the one thing you might have to do is hit the zoom button to see the whole conversation. Take care. On Aug 21, 2011, at 6:17 AM, joe quinn wrote: > what apps are accessible with twitter under lion? seems as if the twitter main one isn't... > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Sun Aug 21 20:37:21 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:37:21 -0700 Subject: Skype On iPod Touch Message-ID: <1324878C-5E9B-49B7-BDAA-D425F717B9D3@q.com> Hi Everyone, Is there a version of Skype that can be used on the iPod Touch? I searched the App Store with my iPod last night, but the version that came up said something about paying for calls with credit or some such? Any advice on this would be most appreciated! Thanks in advance! Desi From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Sun Aug 21 20:45:07 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:45:07 +0100 Subject: Secure Edit Boxes In-Reply-To: <7585A534-1CA9-4780-9C4C-B3A197537B7E@gmail.com> References: <72E76497-C949-48A0-9860-6D179047A9A9@charter.net> <7585A534-1CA9-4780-9C4C-B3A197537B7E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1B59C8B7-9A6E-4601-809B-A6FA63E0D58B@hopewell.org.uk> Hello, From time to time it would be useful if there was a VoiceOver way to review what has been entered into a secure edit box to check that it does indeed contain what you want it to contain. Any such function should be optional on an edit box by edit box basis and one would not use it in a public place. As we are encouraged to use long none obvious and hence hard to remember passwords there is potential for typing them incorrectly. Do sighted people have the same problem? Is text entered into a secure edit box displayed visually? Paul Hopewell On 21 Aug 2011, at 20:27, Sarah Alawami wrote: > which to me is a good safety feature. I don't want to have the public public to hear what I"m typing in those boxes. > > Take care all. > On Aug 21, 2011, at 7:09 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > >> At this time, it does not echo the contents of these, if you have sound turned on, it will click for each character entered. >> On Aug 21, 2011, at 5:33 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: >> >>> Hello All, >>> Is there a way to get VoiceOver to speak the contents of a secure edit box? I primarily need this in a web site but it would also be useful in other circumstances. I vaguely remember this was discussed on the list some time ago but I cannot remember the outcome. >>> Many thanks.... >>> >>> Paul Hopewell >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 20:55:39 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:55:39 -0700 Subject: Secure Edit Boxes In-Reply-To: <1B59C8B7-9A6E-4601-809B-A6FA63E0D58B@hopewell.org.uk> References: <72E76497-C949-48A0-9860-6D179047A9A9@charter.net> <7585A534-1CA9-4780-9C4C-B3A197537B7E@gmail.com> <1B59C8B7-9A6E-4601-809B-A6FA63E0D58B@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <336BD822-E2A1-4C60-895C-2E713BF23AC1@gmail.com> No. I use the keychain utility to copy my password to the clipboard so I never have to enter in long passwords again. and sighted people also don't have that option. they also see star marks. so looks like you are somewhat out of luck there. On Aug 21, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello, > From time to time it would be useful if there was a VoiceOver way to review what has been entered into a secure edit box to check that it does indeed contain what you want it to contain. Any such function should be optional on an edit box by edit box basis and one would not use it in a public place. As we are encouraged to use long none obvious and hence hard to remember passwords there is potential for typing them incorrectly. > Do sighted people have the same problem? Is text entered into a secure edit box displayed visually? > > Paul Hopewell > On 21 Aug 2011, at 20:27, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> which to me is a good safety feature. I don't want to have the public public to hear what I"m typing in those boxes. >> >> Take care all. >> On Aug 21, 2011, at 7:09 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >> >>> At this time, it does not echo the contents of these, if you have sound turned on, it will click for each character entered. >>> On Aug 21, 2011, at 5:33 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: >>> >>>> Hello All, >>>> Is there a way to get VoiceOver to speak the contents of a secure edit box? I primarily need this in a web site but it would also be useful in other circumstances. I vaguely remember this was discussed on the list some time ago but I cannot remember the outcome. >>>> Many thanks.... >>>> >>>> Paul Hopewell >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 20:56:16 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:56:16 -0700 Subject: Skype On iPod Touch In-Reply-To: <1324878C-5E9B-49B7-BDAA-D425F717B9D3@q.com> References: <1324878C-5E9B-49B7-BDAA-D425F717B9D3@q.com> Message-ID: <122C1209-D033-4239-AC88-C992B6FD93BB@gmail.com> Yeah it's called skype. It should be able to be used on the iPod iPhone and as of a few weeks ago, the iPad. so try it out on your iPod to see if it works. On Aug 21, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Is there a version of Skype that can be used on the iPod Touch? I searched the App Store with my iPod last night, but the version that came up said something about paying for calls with credit or some such? Any advice on this would be most appreciated! Thanks in advance! > > Desi > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Sun Aug 21 21:24:28 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 13:24:28 -0700 Subject: Skype On iPod Touch In-Reply-To: <122C1209-D033-4239-AC88-C992B6FD93BB@gmail.com> References: <1324878C-5E9B-49B7-BDAA-D425F717B9D3@q.com> <122C1209-D033-4239-AC88-C992B6FD93BB@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Sarah. I know it's called Skype, but I just wasn't sure of the version to use. I'm assuming it's the one they describe as being for WiFi. Desi On Aug 21, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Yeah it's called skype. It should be able to be used on the iPod iPhone and as of a few weeks ago, the iPad. so try it out on your iPod to see if it works. > On Aug 21, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> Is there a version of Skype that can be used on the iPod Touch? I searched the App Store with my iPod last night, but the version that came up said something about paying for calls with credit or some such? Any advice on this would be most appreciated! Thanks in advance! >> >> Desi >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 21:31:22 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 13:31:22 -0700 Subject: Skype On iPod Touch In-Reply-To: References: <1324878C-5E9B-49B7-BDAA-D425F717B9D3@q.com> <122C1209-D033-4239-AC88-C992B6FD93BB@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have no idea actually but you can try and see what happens with the wifi only version. I actually did not think there were 2 versions of skype on the app store or am I confused. Take care all. On Aug 21, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > Thanks Sarah. I know it's called Skype, but I just wasn't sure of the version to use. I'm assuming it's the one they describe as being for WiFi. > > Desi > > > > On Aug 21, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Yeah it's called skype. It should be able to be used on the iPod iPhone and as of a few weeks ago, the iPad. so try it out on your iPod to see if it works. >> On Aug 21, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Desi Noller wrote: >> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> Is there a version of Skype that can be used on the iPod Touch? I searched the App Store with my iPod last night, but the version that came up said something about paying for calls with credit or some such? Any advice on this would be most appreciated! Thanks in advance! >>> >>> Desi >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Aug 21 22:34:42 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:34:42 +0100 Subject: Airport Express Can it connect a external drive? In-Reply-To: <608E18E5-820A-4F14-86C5-0EF708A00F39@Mac-Access.net> References: <608E18E5-820A-4F14-86C5-0EF708A00F39@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: hello Eric Refer to the message I sent you off list about your TV. Lynne On 21 Aug 2011, at 03:19, Eric Caron wrote: Dear list. I have a Airport express that is extending my network and used for playing music. there is a USB port on there for a printer. Can that be used for a external storage drive? If so how do I find it, on my computer, once I plug it in? Feel free to tell me I'm being silly and or it can't be done. It's just I have a old drive and the space over by that machine. A little extra storage never hurts. Eric Caron <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Aug 21 22:40:17 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:40:17 +0100 Subject: Overlapping windows In-Reply-To: References: <154C5ABA-E73B-4451-90B7-F0B7946ADDE7@mac-access.net> <07B16BE7-CED1-4BB2-A831-5697A626A48F@aol.com> <13AFC583-3A01-4A8D-8858-03807953C7DC@mac-access.net> <3A6D5751-EFBC-4F6B-98E1-588AB330ACFA@aol.com> <89F16C22-090B-4061-86BB-4CFE0BE77CEB@mac-access.net> <2BDEA34D-A087-44A1-A5AC-0484A46FC190@virginmedia.com> <69E29B10-E589-4224-AA68-56AF53261E96@mac-access.net> <1DCD8488-886F-4BA2-A96D-A849E7D53C84@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Travis The problem is then you can't see both windows so you can't drag the file. These windows aren't just slightly overlapping, they're very much overlapping as in it's difficult to make out what belongs to what. Actually on this server machine most of the windows are like that I haven't ever seen it before and I haven't a clue as to how to fix it. Of course, if we could figure out how to use that "Certtool" command it would not much matter. Lynne On 21 Aug 2011, at 04:15, Travis Siegel wrote: On Aug 20, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Travis > > To explain a little more about this. We need to drag a file from the Finder into the Server Admin window. When you say "Maximise" the window, I have never seen that term used for Mac stuff.Apple calls it zoom, but it does the same thing. If you go to the toolbar, under window, you'll find a zoom option. If you click on that, it maximizes the window, (supposedly) to take up the entire screen, but that doesn't always work, sometimes it only makes the window slightly larger, and repeated zooms don't add to the affect. However, it's usually enough t point out to sighted folks which window it is you're talking about anyhow. hth. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Aug 21 22:43:05 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:43:05 +0100 Subject: Secure Edit Boxes In-Reply-To: <72E76497-C949-48A0-9860-6D179047A9A9@charter.net> References: <72E76497-C949-48A0-9860-6D179047A9A9@charter.net> Message-ID: This has been mentioned to Apple I am told but their response was that it would be a security breech if they were spoken. Lynne On 21 Aug 2011, at 15:09, Mike Arrigo wrote: At this time, it does not echo the contents of these, if you have sound turned on, it will click for each character entered. From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Aug 21 22:54:23 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:54:23 +0100 Subject: Overlapping windows In-Reply-To: References: <154C5ABA-E73B-4451-90B7-F0B7946ADDE7@mac-access.net> <07B16BE7-CED1-4BB2-A831-5697A626A48F@aol.com> <13AFC583-3A01-4A8D-8858-03807953C7DC@mac-access.net> <3A6D5751-EFBC-4F6B-98E1-588AB330ACFA@aol.com> <89F16C22-090B-4061-86BB-4CFE0BE77CEB@mac-access.net> <2BDEA34D-A087-44A1-A5AC-0484A46FC190@virginmedia.com> <69E29B10-E589-4224-AA68-56AF53261E96@mac-access.net> <1DCD8488-886F-4BA2-A96D-A849E7D53C84@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9C9E7603-64C1-4767-8B19-BF2A5E43D571@mac-access.net> Hello Colin No need to refer to yourself as "dense". :). The problem here is Colin that keyboard options are out of the question, the darn thing just doesn't want to know. Our problem is that this particular instance won't have any truck with keyboard commands It only seems to want to let you drag with the mouse. This code is very old code, pre-dating VoiceOver I gather. But it's something that we have to solve. Dragging the file by pacing a finger on it and dragging also seems problematic with the trackpad. So it's looking as though I'm going to have to get out our old Apple mouse (which I have never even used), and do it that way, or try too. But the point here Colin is that keyboard options are totally out of the question. I tried everything I can think of (without VoiceOver) Now I come to think about it, this actually did work under Snow Leopard. I managed to drag the file across But under Lion it's a no-go. Lynne On 21 Aug 2011, at 17:10, Red.Falcon wrote: Hi Lynne and Gordon! I do not know if you got this fixed! But I'm a bit dense! :] One of my suggestions in the middle of all, was command+` to cycle through windows! And I do not if this will work either! But that is not a vo command and gordon was not looking for a vo option! If this is also no good then my limited knowledge is at a end! :] hahahahaha Colin On 21 Aug 2011, at 04:15, Travis Siegel wrote: > > On Aug 20, 2011, at 1:35 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Travis >> >> To explain a little more about this. We need to drag a file from the Finder into the Server Admin window. When you say "Maximise" the window, I have never seen that term used for Mac stuff.Apple calls it zoom, but it does the same thing. > If you go to the toolbar, under window, you'll find a zoom option. If you click on that, it maximises the window, (supposedly) to take up the entire screen, but that doesn't always work, sometimes it only makes the window slightly larger, and repeated zooms don't add to the affect. > However, it's usually enough t point out to sighted folks which window it is you're talking about anyhow. > hth. > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Aug 21 22:59:33 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:59:33 +0100 Subject: Secure Edit Boxes In-Reply-To: <336BD822-E2A1-4C60-895C-2E713BF23AC1@gmail.com> References: <72E76497-C949-48A0-9860-6D179047A9A9@charter.net> <7585A534-1CA9-4780-9C4C-B3A197537B7E@gmail.com> <1B59C8B7-9A6E-4601-809B-A6FA63E0D58B@hopewell.org.uk> <336BD822-E2A1-4C60-895C-2E713BF23AC1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Paul & Sarah Visually abled people have a similar problem. We see little ticks, not stars (Sarah). :) On what some call the "Dark side" you see stars; well that makes sense as you see stars at night when it's dark. :) Sorry I'm being silly. But Paul has a good point. You just have to rely on the website applet or the software telling you you made a mistake. Lynne On 21 Aug 2011, at 20:55, Sarah Alawami wrote: No. I use the keychain utility to copy my password to the clipboard so I never have to enter in long passwords again. and sighted people also don't have that option. they also see star marks. so looks like you are somewhat out of luck there. On Aug 21, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello, > From time to time it would be useful if there was a VoiceOver way to review what has been entered into a secure edit box to check that it does indeed contain what you want it to contain. Any such function should be optional on an edit box by edit box basis and one would not use it in a public place. As we are encouraged to use long none obvious and hence hard to remember passwords there is potential for typing them incorrectly. > Do sighted people have the same problem? Is text entered into a secure edit box displayed visually? > > Paul Hopewell > On 21 Aug 2011, at 20:27, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> which to me is a good safety feature. I don't want to have the public public to hear what I"m typing in those boxes. >> >> Take care all. >> On Aug 21, 2011, at 7:09 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >> >>> At this time, it does not echo the contents of these, if you have sound turned on, it will click for each character entered. >>> On Aug 21, 2011, at 5:33 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: >>> >>>> Hello All, >>>> Is there a way to get VoiceOver to speak the contents of a secure edit box? I primarily need this in a web site but it would also be useful in other circumstances. I vaguely remember this was discussed on the list some time ago but I cannot remember the outcome. >>>> Many thanks.... >>>> >>>> Paul Hopewell >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Sun Aug 21 23:41:36 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:41:36 -0400 Subject: Airport Express Can it connect a external drive? In-Reply-To: References: <608E18E5-820A-4F14-86C5-0EF708A00F39@Mac-Access.net> <06F7ED5D-AEB4-4174-8E6C-1441C62D50D2@internode.on.net> <1F5CE2EC-11D8-435E-BF66-6CACD802EF2D@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <92E5E384-45E4-4CD3-8D8F-53750DD0797E@Mac-Access.net> Hi John, I tried plugging in a USB drive to the Airport Express and nothing seemed to happen. I looked on my desk top and looked in network I also looked under the Time Capsule as the Express is set up to extend the network. Should I be looking somewhere else? Eric On Aug 21, 2011, at 11:50 AM, John Panarese wrote: > I've use the USB port for an external drive. It works fine as far as I found. I don't recall having to do anything special to get the Mac to see it either. > > Take Care > John Panarese > jpanarese at mac-access.net > > > > On Aug 21, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Eric Caron wrote: > >> >> On Aug 20, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the USB port on your Airport Express is for a printer only. >>> >>> Dane, >> >> I stated that in my message, the USB is intended by Apple for a printer. My question is can it be used for a external drive? Sometimes Apple devices can do more then what is stated. For example my Time Capsule is supposed to be able to run a printer or a external drive but the Apple tech people tell me off the record that I can hook up to 4 devices using a powered hub. So my question is can I use my express for a drive with the usb? Is anyone out there doing that? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Eric Caron >> >>> On 21/08/2011, at 12:19 PM, Eric Caron wrote: >>> >>>> Dear list. >>>> >>>> I have a Airport express that is extending my network and used for playing music. there is a USB port on there for a printer. Can that be used for a external storage drive? If so how do I find it, on my computer, once I plug it in? >>>> >>>> Feel free to tell me I'm being silly and or it can't be done. It's just I have a old drive and the space over by that machine. A little extra storage never hurts. >>>> >>>> Eric Caron >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Sun Aug 21 23:41:45 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 17:41:45 -0500 Subject: Breaking into an MBP. Message-ID: Greetings all, Amazon's price beat Crucial, so I ordered 8GB of memory for my 13 inch mid 2010 MBP yesterday. Though I didn't request an expedited shipment it arrived today (Sunday). Very strange, but as long as it's here I was going to try and install it. So I see the ten screw holes on the back. I have a screw driver with about ten bits (some of which are very small), but so far none of them appear to be taking hold of the screw. Are the screws in the MBP Philips head type or are they conventional? Can anyone advise a type of driver that would crack this beast open? Anyone have one I can borrow :). TIA for any suggestions and best regards. Geoff From jpanarese at mac-access.net Sun Aug 21 23:45:43 2011 From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:45:43 -0400 Subject: Airport Express Can it connect a external drive? In-Reply-To: <92E5E384-45E4-4CD3-8D8F-53750DD0797E@Mac-Access.net> References: <608E18E5-820A-4F14-86C5-0EF708A00F39@Mac-Access.net> <06F7ED5D-AEB4-4174-8E6C-1441C62D50D2@internode.on.net> <1F5CE2EC-11D8-435E-BF66-6CACD802EF2D@Mac-Access.net> <92E5E384-45E4-4CD3-8D8F-53750DD0797E@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <8AD3CB53-0933-4BDA-B0A2-7649EDB92556@mac-access.net> Do you have the drive connected to the Express or the Time Capsule? If it's the Express, it could be because you are using at as an extender for the network. When I connect my HD, it is to my Base Station directly. However, I don't at all know for sure if this would be the reason. Someone with a lot more knowledge on this subject could comment more intelligently. Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net On Aug 21, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > Hi John, > > I tried plugging in a USB drive to the Airport Express and nothing seemed to happen. I looked on my desk top and looked in network I also looked under the Time Capsule as the Express is set up to extend the network. Should I be looking somewhere else? > > Eric > On Aug 21, 2011, at 11:50 AM, John Panarese wrote: > >> I've use the USB port for an external drive. It works fine as far as I found. I don't recall having to do anything special to get the Mac to see it either. >> >> Take Care >> John Panarese >> jpanarese at mac-access.net >> >> >> >> On Aug 21, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Eric Caron wrote: >> >>> >>> On Aug 20, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the USB port on your Airport Express is for a printer only. >>>> >>>> Dane, >>> >>> I stated that in my message, the USB is intended by Apple for a printer. My question is can it be used for a external drive? Sometimes Apple devices can do more then what is stated. For example my Time Capsule is supposed to be able to run a printer or a external drive but the Apple tech people tell me off the record that I can hook up to 4 devices using a powered hub. So my question is can I use my express for a drive with the usb? Is anyone out there doing that? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Eric Caron >>> >>>> On 21/08/2011, at 12:19 PM, Eric Caron wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear list. >>>>> >>>>> I have a Airport express that is extending my network and used for playing music. there is a USB port on there for a printer. Can that be used for a external storage drive? If so how do I find it, on my computer, once I plug it in? >>>>> >>>>> Feel free to tell me I'm being silly and or it can't be done. It's just I have a old drive and the space over by that machine. A little extra storage never hurts. >>>>> >>>>> Eric Caron >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Sun Aug 21 23:49:32 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:49:32 -0400 Subject: Airport Express Can it connect a external drive? In-Reply-To: References: <608E18E5-820A-4F14-86C5-0EF708A00F39@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <84B99461-6EDA-4B3A-A749-E09A82DDDEF9@Mac-Access.net> On Aug 21, 2011, at 5:34 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > hello Eric > > Refer to the message I sent you off list about your TV. > > Lynne > > Hi Lynne, I didn't see a message about my TV off list. I don't actually own a TV. I do have your excellent message about my TC saved and tried some of those connection tips but it didn't seem to work. Are you suggesting I try again using command K and enter the IP address or is there another Eric out there with a helpful message from you that I need a copy of? I want to take this opportunity to also say thanks Lynne, and Gordon, for the great info about my Time Capsule thanks to you I really am getting a tremendous amount of use from it. Eric Caron > On 21 Aug 2011, at 03:19, Eric Caron wrote: > > Dear list. > > I have a Airport express that is extending my network and used for playing music. there is a USB port on there for a printer. Can that be used for a external storage drive? If so how do I find it, on my computer, once I plug it in? > > Feel free to tell me I'm being silly and or it can't be done. It's just I have a old drive and the space over by that machine. A little extra storage never hurts. > > Eric Caron From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Sun Aug 21 23:58:51 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:58:51 -0400 Subject: Breaking into an MBP. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <286B2208-B8DB-43A9-9E86-4F0E47BD23D8@Mac-Access.net> On Aug 21, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Greetings all, > > Amazon's price beat Crucial, so I ordered 8GB of memory for my 13 inch mid 2010 MBP yesterday. Though I didn't request an expedited shipment it arrived today (Sunday). Very strange, but as long as it's here I was going to try and install it. > > So I see the ten screw holes on the back. I have a screw driver with about ten bits (some of which are very small), but so far none of them appear to be taking hold of the screw. Are the screws in the MBP Philips head type or are they conventional? Can anyone advise a type of driver that would crack this beast open? Anyone have one I can borrow :). > > TIA for any suggestions and best regards. > Geoff Dear Geoff, I am so impressed that you are taking on this project! I will be following your progress very carefully. Please keep track of what you are doing as I hope to follow in your brave footsteps. One point of clarification do you have a mac book Pro? I thought you had a white case Mac Book. I read somewhere when looking at the ram on a site that they also sold a special screwdriver for the Mac book. Someone on this list will give us clearer directions but I think you will need that. I'm pretty sure I read this on the Crucial site you mentioned. Don't you love those quick deliveries? I think sometimes I click purchase on Amazon and then I hear a knock on my door, get up and thank the UPS guy for my package! It really feels that fast sometimes! Eric Caron > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 00:12:36 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 18:12:36 -0500 Subject: Breaking into an MBP. References: <286B2208-B8DB-43A9-9E86-4F0E47BD23D8@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <633C0E14659E47228B010368772D8AA2@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Hi Eric, Yeah, mine is an MBP, with the metal case. According to that document Bryan J supplied it should be able to address 8GB (assuming that I can find a screwdriver). I know that doesn't exactly help you except that I think I recall that your model can address over 4GB anyway. Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Caron To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 5:58 PM Subject: Re: Breaking into an MBP. On Aug 21, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Greetings all, > > Amazon's price beat Crucial, so I ordered 8GB of memory for my 13 inch mid 2010 MBP yesterday. Though I didn't request an expedited shipment it arrived today (Sunday). Very strange, but as long as it's here I was going to try and install it. > > So I see the ten screw holes on the back. I have a screw driver with about ten bits (some of which are very small), but so far none of them appear to be taking hold of the screw. Are the screws in the MBP Philips head type or are they conventional? Can anyone advise a type of driver that would crack this beast open? Anyone have one I can borrow :). > > TIA for any suggestions and best regards. > Geoff Dear Geoff, I am so impressed that you are taking on this project! I will be following your progress very carefully. Please keep track of what you are doing as I hope to follow in your brave footsteps. One point of clarification do you have a mac book Pro? I thought you had a white case Mac Book. I read somewhere when looking at the ram on a site that they also sold a special screwdriver for the Mac book. Someone on this list will give us clearer directions but I think you will need that. I'm pretty sure I read this on the Crucial site you mentioned. Don't you love those quick deliveries? I think sometimes I click purchase on Amazon and then I hear a knock on my door, get up and thank the UPS guy for my package! It really feels that fast sometimes! Eric Caron > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 00:19:48 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 16:19:48 -0700 Subject: Secure Edit Boxes In-Reply-To: References: <72E76497-C949-48A0-9860-6D179047A9A9@charter.net> <7585A534-1CA9-4780-9C4C-B3A197537B7E@gmail.com> <1B59C8B7-9A6E-4601-809B-A6FA63E0D58B@hopewell.org.uk> <336BD822-E2A1-4C60-895C-2E713BF23AC1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ah thanks for the clarification. Sorry about the mistake. lol! Yeah Well good luck and rely on the sight ai guess and be careful to enter it in correctly the first time so you don't get frustrated lol! On Aug 21, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Paul & Sarah > > Visually abled people have a similar problem. We see little ticks, not stars (Sarah). :) On what some call the "Dark side" you see stars; well that makes sense as you see stars at night when it's dark. :) Sorry I'm being silly. > > But Paul has a good point. You just have to rely on the website applet or the software telling you you made a mistake. > > Lynne > > > On 21 Aug 2011, at 20:55, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > No. I use the keychain utility to copy my password to the clipboard so I never have to enter in long passwords again. and sighted people also don't have that option. they also see star marks. so looks like you are somewhat out of luck there. > On Aug 21, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > >> Hello, >> From time to time it would be useful if there was a VoiceOver way to review what has been entered into a secure edit box to check that it does indeed contain what you want it to contain. Any such function should be optional on an edit box by edit box basis and one would not use it in a public place. As we are encouraged to use long none obvious and hence hard to remember passwords there is potential for typing them incorrectly. >> Do sighted people have the same problem? Is text entered into a secure edit box displayed visually? >> >> Paul Hopewell >> On 21 Aug 2011, at 20:27, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> which to me is a good safety feature. I don't want to have the public public to hear what I"m typing in those boxes. >>> >>> Take care all. >>> On Aug 21, 2011, at 7:09 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >>> >>>> At this time, it does not echo the contents of these, if you have sound turned on, it will click for each character entered. >>>> On Aug 21, 2011, at 5:33 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello All, >>>>> Is there a way to get VoiceOver to speak the contents of a secure edit box? I primarily need this in a web site but it would also be useful in other circumstances. I vaguely remember this was discussed on the list some time ago but I cannot remember the outcome. >>>>> Many thanks.... >>>>> >>>>> Paul Hopewell >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Mon Aug 22 00:58:45 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 00:58:45 +0100 Subject: Breaking into an MBP. In-Reply-To: <633C0E14659E47228B010368772D8AA2@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> References: <286B2208-B8DB-43A9-9E86-4F0E47BD23D8@Mac-Access.net> <633C0E14659E47228B010368772D8AA2@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY> Message-ID: <16B2080D-57D6-4AD6-9855-F8DC1C0C372F@virginmedia.com> Hi Geoff! I've got about a hundred screwdriver bits here maybe one of them will fit! I'll bring them around! That's if I can get my Kapten to work! Where about are you again! I'm in the UK so it might take me a little while to get there! :] hahahahaha Colin On 22 Aug 2011, at 00:12, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Hi Eric, > > Yeah, mine is an MBP, with the metal case. According to that document Bryan J supplied it should be able to address 8GB (assuming that I can find a screwdriver). I know that doesn't exactly help you except that I think I recall that your model can address over 4GB anyway. > > Best regards. > Geoff > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Eric Caron > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 5:58 PM > Subject: Re: Breaking into an MBP. > > > > On Aug 21, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > >> Greetings all, >> >> Amazon's price beat Crucial, so I ordered 8GB of memory for my 13 inch mid 2010 MBP yesterday. Though I didn't request an expedited shipment it arrived today (Sunday). Very strange, but as long as it's here I was going to try and install it. >> >> So I see the ten screw holes on the back. I have a screw driver with about ten bits (some of which are very small), but so far none of them appear to be taking hold of the screw. Are the screws in the MBP Philips head type or are they conventional? Can anyone advise a type of driver that would crack this beast open? Anyone have one I can borrow :). >> >> TIA for any suggestions and best regards. >> Geoff > > Dear Geoff, > > I am so impressed that you are taking on this project! I will be following your progress very carefully. Please keep track of what you are doing as I hope to follow in your brave footsteps. > One point of clarification do you have a mac book Pro? I thought you had a white case Mac Book. > > > I read somewhere when looking at the ram on a site that they also sold a special screwdriver for the Mac book. Someone on this list will give us clearer directions but I think you will need that. > I'm pretty sure I read this on the Crucial site you mentioned. > > Don't you love those quick deliveries? I think sometimes I click purchase on Amazon and then I hear a knock on my door, get up and thank the UPS guy for my package! It really feels that fast sometimes! > > Eric Caron > > > >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Aug 22 01:18:32 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 01:18:32 +0100 Subject: Breaking into an MBP. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <513237BB-4FDB-4A01-AF36-8FA396DC1237@mac-access.net> Hello Geoff The screws are all different sizes (Philips or Possidrive), you might know them as. Be very bvery careful because they are extremely small. Undo the 10 screws, (I suggest you leave the in the cover so as not to mix them up). Put the cover on a flat surface when you remove it. Spread the clips on the modules and they should pop up. Lift them out carefully and insert the new one. Make sure you orientate them correctly. Lynne On 21 Aug 2011, at 23:41, Geoff Waaler wrote: Greetings all, Amazon's price beat Crucial, so I ordered 8GB of memory for my 13 inch mid 2010 MBP yesterday. Though I didn't request an expedited shipment it arrived today (Sunday). Very strange, but as long as it's here I was going to try and install it. So I see the ten screw holes on the back. I have a screw driver with about ten bits (some of which are very small), but so far none of them appear to be taking hold of the screw. Are the screws in the MBP Philips head type or are they conventional? Can anyone advise a type of driver that would crack this beast open? Anyone have one I can borrow :). TIA for any suggestions and best regards. Geoff <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From moriond at mac.com Mon Aug 22 01:37:35 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:37:35 -1000 Subject: Breaking into an MBP. In-Reply-To: <513237BB-4FDB-4A01-AF36-8FA396DC1237@mac-access.net> References: <513237BB-4FDB-4A01-AF36-8FA396DC1237@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <36C089FC-4A83-4E91-9B6D-59BD4985E114@mac.com> Hi Geoff, You can generally find instruction guides at the iFixIt site. I did a Google Search on "ifixit macbook pro 13" unibody 2010 ram" and got the page for the replacement guide: ? "Installing MacBook Pro 13" Unibody Mid 2010 RAM" http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Installing-MacBook-Pro-13-Inch-Unibody-Mid-2010-RAM/4319/1 You don't have to be so specific -- if you get to the iFixIt web site, you can just type in the search term for the particular model you want, and the operation you need to do (e.g. disk or memory upgrade). There's a link to download a PDF guide under the "Format" heading. (I'll send you the guide as an attachment off list). Otherwise, you'll need to move to the second web page. Actual instructions are simple, and involve removing 10 Phillips #00 screws. Keep track of these, because I think that 3 of the screws are longer, although the head size for the screw driver should be the same in all cases. You can ignore the optional step about disconnecting the battery with a "spudger". A spudger is just a general-purpose flat bladed tool for lifting up electronic components. One thing I noticed: the instructions are the same for the 2010 and 2009 Unibody MacBook Pro models, and although the web page doesn't refer to the model as the 2010 MacBook Pro 13" in the body of instructions, the PDF file does. HTH. Will send the PDF attachment directly to you off list. Cheers, Esther > Hello Geoff > > The screws are all different sizes (Philips or Possidrive), you might know them as. Be very bvery careful because they are extremely small. > > Undo the 10 screws, (I suggest you leave the in the cover so as not to mix them up). Put the cover on a flat surface when you remove it. > > Spread the clips on the modules and they should pop up. Lift them out carefully and insert the new one. Make sure you orientate them correctly. > > Lynne > > > On 21 Aug 2011, at 23:41, Geoff Waaler wrote: > > Greetings all, > > Amazon's price beat Crucial, so I ordered 8GB of memory for my 13 inch mid 2010 MBP yesterday. Though I didn't request an expedited shipment it arrived today (Sunday). Very strange, but as long as it's here I was going to try and install it. > > So I see the ten screw holes on the back. I have a screw driver with about ten bits (some of which are very small), but so far none of them appear to be taking hold of the screw. Are the screws in the MBP Philips head type or are they conventional? Can anyone advise a type of driver that would crack this beast open? Anyone have one I can borrow :). > > TIA for any suggestions and best regards. > Geoff From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Aug 22 01:49:57 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 01:49:57 +0100 Subject: Breaking into an MBP. In-Reply-To: <36C089FC-4A83-4E91-9B6D-59BD4985E114@mac.com> References: <513237BB-4FDB-4A01-AF36-8FA396DC1237@mac-access.net> <36C089FC-4A83-4E91-9B6D-59BD4985E114@mac.com> Message-ID: <5C43DF48-265C-43A9-B643-894CE706A015@mac-access.net> Hi Esther You are correct about the screws being longer in 3 of the holes. We sat and watched Gordon do this upgrade just last week, so it can be done without vision. We didn't seek any instructions because it seemed obvious once you have the back off. But I am, as usual, amazed by your thorough research. Lynne On 22 Aug 2011, at 01:37, Esther wrote: You can generally find instruction guides at the iFixIt site. I did a Google Search on "ifixit macbook pro 13" unibody 2010 ram" and got the page for the replacement guide: ? "Installing MacBook Pro 13" Unibody Mid 2010 RAM" http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Installing-MacBook-Pro-13-Inch-Unibody-Mid-2010-RAM/4319/1 You don't have to be so specific -- if you get to the iFixIt web site, you can just type in the search term for the particular model you want, and the operation you need to do (e.g. disk or memory upgrade). There's a link to download a PDF guide under the "Format" heading. (I'll send you the guide as an attachment off list). Otherwise, you'll need to move to the second web page. Actual instructions are simple, and involve removing 10 Phillips #00 screws. Keep track of these, because I think that 3 of the screws are longer, although the head size for the screw driver should be the same in all cases. You can ignore the optional step about disconnecting the battery with a "spudger". A spudger is just a general-purpose flat bladed tool for lifting up electronic components. One thing I noticed: the instructions are the same for the 2010 and 2009 Unibody MacBook Pro models, and although the web page doesn't refer to the model as the 2010 MacBook Pro 13" in the body of instructions, the PDF file does. From joncohn at cox.net Mon Aug 22 02:14:10 2011 From: joncohn at cox.net (Jon Cohn) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:14:10 -0400 Subject: formatting a my passport western digital hard drive In-Reply-To: <9142227B-88D8-4958-9A29-888D372E80B7@bluebottle.com> References: <9142227B-88D8-4958-9A29-888D372E80B7@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: <60CFA2AA-53AF-41A6-9296-33ED0298CA64@cox.net> These drives are a bit of a pain... I got one on a 2010 December special. THere is a second partition that is not really quite there called a virtual CD... I found that there were newer versions of the software on the WD web site, and downloaded them. The Virtual CD has a control panel that is 50% accessable via Voice OVer. And I would not recomend using it. There is also a driver that is supposed to improve performance, but I still found the drive slow... In any case, try formating using the WD program, and then verifying with Disk Utility. THere is also a command ( I believe command line) to prevent the Virtual CD Disk from showing up every time you plug it in. If your budget allows it, I suggest returning the Passport drive and getting a firewire capable drive if your computer supports it. The Firewire transfer rates appear to be better. If you need more help, I can go back and research the tools I used. Jonathan From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Mon Aug 22 02:24:46 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:24:46 +1000 Subject: formatting a my passport western digital hard drive In-Reply-To: <60CFA2AA-53AF-41A6-9296-33ED0298CA64@cox.net> References: <9142227B-88D8-4958-9A29-888D372E80B7@bluebottle.com> <60CFA2AA-53AF-41A6-9296-33ED0298CA64@cox.net> Message-ID: <8AE58EEB-BD2A-49D1-BFC5-F12CB1656D31@bluebottle.com> thanks but its dead there is no hope of saving it On 22/08/2011, at 11:14 AM, Jon Cohn wrote: > These drives are a bit of a pain... I got one on a 2010 December special. > > THere is a second partition that is not really quite there called a virtual CD... I found that there were newer versions of the software on the WD web site, and downloaded them. The Virtual CD has a control panel that is 50% accessable via Voice OVer. And I would not recomend using it. There is also a driver that is supposed to improve performance, but I still found the drive slow... > > In any case, try formating using the WD program, and then verifying with Disk Utility. THere is also a command ( I believe command line) to prevent the Virtual CD Disk from showing up every time you plug it in. > > If your budget allows it, I suggest returning the Passport drive and getting a firewire capable drive if your computer supports it. The Firewire transfer rates appear to be better. > > If you need more help, I can go back and research the tools I used. > > Jonathan > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Aug 22 03:04:34 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:04:34 +1000 Subject: twitter apps under mac OSX In-Reply-To: <08F268D1-95F1-47F0-8D11-6870707CF6C5@gmail.com> References: <211F7C51D6524A7CA3A1197F3CCB3312@joseph1> <08F268D1-95F1-47F0-8D11-6870707CF6C5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <471BBA7A-900A-49FF-9B30-CCC83D3E68A1@internode.on.net> You're talking about the YoruFukurou Twitter client right? Yep, that would have to be about the best and most accessible Twitter client for the Mac now as far as I know though its one which requires the user learn how it works as he/she uses it. Another good Twitter client for the Mac is Syrinx and there's another which is "Shareware" called Twiterific. On 22/08/2011, at 5:28 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I use night owl also called yorufukorou. I can't spell let alone pronounce it lol! but it works very well for me. > > the one thing you might have to do is hit the zoom button to see the whole conversation. > > Take care. > On Aug 21, 2011, at 6:17 AM, joe quinn wrote: > >> what apps are accessible with twitter under lion? seems as if the twitter main one isn't... >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Aug 22 03:09:36 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:09:36 +1000 Subject: Skype On iPod Touch In-Reply-To: <1324878C-5E9B-49B7-BDAA-D425F717B9D3@q.com> References: <1324878C-5E9B-49B7-BDAA-D425F717B9D3@q.com> Message-ID: <51651C84-CE7C-488C-B057-42199DCE0975@internode.on.net> Just look up Skype on Itunes, the Skype there is universal though be warned, it seems to be a bit flaky when used with Voiceover sometimes. For example, I've had Voiceover go into "Stutter Mode" at different times whilst using the Skype App with my Ipad, sometimes Voiceover may not read out what's on the screen when you touch, for example a number on the dial pad etc. On 22/08/2011, at 5:37 AM, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Is there a version of Skype that can be used on the iPod Touch? I searched the App Store with my iPod last night, but the version that came up said something about paying for calls with credit or some such? Any advice on this would be most appreciated! Thanks in advance! > > Desi > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Aug 22 03:15:13 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:15:13 +1000 Subject: Airport Express Can it connect a external drive? In-Reply-To: <8AD3CB53-0933-4BDA-B0A2-7649EDB92556@mac-access.net> References: <608E18E5-820A-4F14-86C5-0EF708A00F39@Mac-Access.net> <06F7ED5D-AEB4-4174-8E6C-1441C62D50D2@internode.on.net> <1F5CE2EC-11D8-435E-BF66-6CACD802EF2D@Mac-Access.net> <92E5E384-45E4-4CD3-8D8F-53750DD0797E@Mac-Access.net> <8AD3CB53-0933-4BDA-B0A2-7649EDB92556@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I take your point about the extended network, that's the way my Airport Express is configured and may explain why it doesn't see the external hard drive. This is all very interesting, I went up onto Apple's site just now to look at the tech specs of the Airport express, printers are mentioned yes - that is to say the fact that you can use a printer plugged into the USB port of an Airport Express is well documented and you can see the Printer connected to the Airport Express in action through a video - but no mention is made of using an Airport Express with a hard drive. I have a Time Capsule here and its configured as a base station, I have an external USB drive connected to this, works fine but bare in mind that if you're planning to access drives this way the access time will be fairly slow, when it comes to drives and processing power the Airports are very under powered, you can find more information on this subject in the book Take Control Of you're Network I think its called. On 22/08/2011, at 8:45 AM, John Panarese wrote: > Do you have the drive connected to the Express or the Time Capsule? If it's the Express, it could be because you are using at as an extender for the network. When I connect my HD, it is to my Base Station directly. However, I don't at all know for sure if this would be the reason. Someone with a lot more knowledge on this subject could comment more intelligently. > > Take Care > John Panarese > jpanarese at mac-access.net > > > > On Aug 21, 2011, at 6:41 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > >> Hi John, >> >> I tried plugging in a USB drive to the Airport Express and nothing seemed to happen. I looked on my desk top and looked in network I also looked under the Time Capsule as the Express is set up to extend the network. Should I be looking somewhere else? >> >> Eric >> On Aug 21, 2011, at 11:50 AM, John Panarese wrote: >> >>> I've use the USB port for an external drive. It works fine as far as I found. I don't recall having to do anything special to get the Mac to see it either. >>> >>> Take Care >>> John Panarese >>> jpanarese at mac-access.net >>> >>> >>> >>> On Aug 21, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Eric Caron wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 20, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the USB port on your Airport Express is for a printer only. >>>>> >>>>> Dane, >>>> >>>> I stated that in my message, the USB is intended by Apple for a printer. My question is can it be used for a external drive? Sometimes Apple devices can do more then what is stated. For example my Time Capsule is supposed to be able to run a printer or a external drive but the Apple tech people tell me off the record that I can hook up to 4 devices using a powered hub. So my question is can I use my express for a drive with the usb? Is anyone out there doing that? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Eric Caron >>>> >>>>> On 21/08/2011, at 12:19 PM, Eric Caron wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear list. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have a Airport express that is extending my network and used for playing music. there is a USB port on there for a printer. Can that be used for a external storage drive? If so how do I find it, on my computer, once I plug it in? >>>>>> >>>>>> Feel free to tell me I'm being silly and or it can't be done. It's just I have a old drive and the space over by that machine. A little extra storage never hurts. >>>>>> >>>>>> Eric Caron >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jdawg1983 at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 03:25:49 2011 From: jdawg1983 at gmail.com (joe quinn) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 21:25:49 -0500 Subject: twitter apps under mac OSX References: <211F7C51D6524A7CA3A1197F3CCB3312@joseph1><08F268D1-95F1-47F0-8D11-6870707CF6C5@gmail.com> <471BBA7A-900A-49FF-9B30-CCC83D3E68A1@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <2EC0AE7D4B074CFDA3A879829FF6628C@joseph1> that's a good one but i have no idea how to use it... dunno why all the things are dimmed when i go into the tweet menu... reply, dm... :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Trethowan" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:04 PM Subject: Re: twitter apps under mac OSX > You're talking about the YoruFukurou Twitter client right? > > Yep, that would have to be about the best and most accessible Twitter > client for the Mac now as far as I know though its one which requires the > user learn how it works as he/she uses it. > > Another good Twitter client for the Mac is Syrinx and there's another > which is "Shareware" called Twiterific. > > > On 22/08/2011, at 5:28 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I use night owl also called yorufukorou. I can't spell let alone >> pronounce it lol! but it works very well for me. >> >> the one thing you might have to do is hit the zoom button to see the >> whole conversation. >> >> Take care. >> On Aug 21, 2011, at 6:17 AM, joe quinn wrote: >> >>> what apps are accessible with twitter under lion? seems as if the >>> twitter main one isn't... >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 06:17:26 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 22:17:26 -0700 Subject: twitter apps under mac OSX In-Reply-To: <2EC0AE7D4B074CFDA3A879829FF6628C@joseph1> References: <211F7C51D6524A7CA3A1197F3CCB3312@joseph1><08F268D1-95F1-47F0-8D11-6870707CF6C5@gmail.com> <471BBA7A-900A-49FF-9B30-CCC83D3E68A1@internode.on.net> <2EC0AE7D4B074CFDA3A879829FF6628C@joseph1> Message-ID: I did a podcast on night owl, Ok I did it twice as I lost the first one but you can find it at http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast. On Aug 21, 2011, at 7:25 PM, joe quinn wrote: > that's a good one but i have no idea how to use it... dunno why all the things are dimmed when i go into the tweet menu... reply, dm... :) > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Trethowan" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:04 PM > Subject: Re: twitter apps under mac OSX > > >> You're talking about the YoruFukurou Twitter client right? >> >> Yep, that would have to be about the best and most accessible Twitter client for the Mac now as far as I know though its one which requires the user learn how it works as he/she uses it. >> >> Another good Twitter client for the Mac is Syrinx and there's another which is "Shareware" called Twiterific. >> >> >> On 22/08/2011, at 5:28 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> I use night owl also called yorufukorou. I can't spell let alone pronounce it lol! but it works very well for me. >>> >>> the one thing you might have to do is hit the zoom button to see the whole conversation. >>> >>> Take care. >>> On Aug 21, 2011, at 6:17 AM, joe quinn wrote: >>> >>>> what apps are accessible with twitter under lion? seems as if the twitter main one isn't... >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Mon Aug 22 06:34:34 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 00:34:34 -0500 Subject: Memory doubled -> was Breaking into an MBP. References: <513237BB-4FDB-4A01-AF36-8FA396DC1237@mac-access.net><36C089FC-4A83-4E91-9B6D-59BD4985E114@mac.com> <5C43DF48-265C-43A9-B643-894CE706A015@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Thanks to Colin, Lynne and Esther for your help. I kept waiting for Colin to arrive here in Chicago where I'm visiting my Mother but he never came, so I ran out to Wallgreens which is a drug store chain that also carries some groceries and other nicnacs. They had a tiny unmagnatized Phillips head that fit the bill perfectly. My "about this mac" screen now indicates that I have 8GB of memory, so it will be interesting to observe whether this modification does actually affect the machine's performance. I really appreciate Lynne's pointing out that the screws were not all the same size. I followed her advice and kept them in the back as much as possible. One area where I messed up was that I inadvertently knocked a few of them off. I've never seen such tiny screws -- I suppose that's why they recommend a magnetized driver. In the end I lost a tiny screw somewhere in mom's thick carpet, but am sure my MBP isn't in danger of coming apart. I had not read Esther's post, but as Lynne suggested it was pretty clear what needed to be done once the back was off the box. One thing I don't recall when installing memory previously that I'll mention here since it took me a little time to figure it out as I didn't want to pry anything. The memory sticks are clamped down by a couple spring loaded thingeys (how bout that for a technical term?). When you move both of them away from the sides the first stick will pop up and can easily be removed. The second memory bank is right below and can be extracted rather easily once the top one is out. This probably isn't unique, but I recall snapping them into place when I broke into other boxes. Anyway I really appreciate everyone's help and thanks to Lynne, I only lost one screw instead of what it might have been had I followed my original plan and removed them from the back. Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:49 PM Subject: Re: Breaking into an MBP. Hi Esther You are correct about the screws being longer in 3 of the holes. We sat and watched Gordon do this upgrade just last week, so it can be done without vision. We didn't seek any instructions because it seemed obvious once you have the back off. But I am, as usual, amazed by your thorough research. Lynne On 22 Aug 2011, at 01:37, Esther wrote: You can generally find instruction guides at the iFixIt site. I did a Google Search on "ifixit macbook pro 13" unibody 2010 ram" and got the page for the replacement guide: ? "Installing MacBook Pro 13" Unibody Mid 2010 RAM" http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Installing-MacBook-Pro-13-Inch-Unibody-Mid-2010-RAM/4319/1 You don't have to be so specific -- if you get to the iFixIt web site, you can just type in the search term for the particular model you want, and the operation you need to do (e.g. disk or memory upgrade). There's a link to download a PDF guide under the "Format" heading. (I'll send you the guide as an attachment off list). Otherwise, you'll need to move to the second web page. Actual instructions are simple, and involve removing 10 Phillips #00 screws. Keep track of these, because I think that 3 of the screws are longer, although the head size for the screw driver should be the same in all cases. You can ignore the optional step about disconnecting the battery with a "spudger". A spudger is just a general-purpose flat bladed tool for lifting up electronic components. One thing I noticed: the instructions are the same for the 2010 and 2009 Unibody MacBook Pro models, and although the web page doesn't refer to the model as the 2010 MacBook Pro 13" in the body of instructions, the PDF file does. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From moriond at mac.com Mon Aug 22 07:26:11 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 20:26:11 -1000 Subject: Memory doubled -> was Breaking into an MBP. In-Reply-To: References: <513237BB-4FDB-4A01-AF36-8FA396DC1237@mac-access.net> <36C089FC-4A83-4E91-9B6D-59BD4985E114@mac.com> <5C43DF48-265C-43A9-B643-894CE706A015@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <5AEE8623-F858-49C8-8023-F18043C27BFE@mac.com> Hi Geoff, Glad to hear you are upgraded. Doubtless the reason that Colin didn't show up at your door is that you sneakily hid the fact that you were at your Mother's place -- and didn't reveal the address. I should have copied and pasted the instructions in the PDF attachment I sent you off list. (I was cooking at the time, so just forwarded the PDF download -- I know, these lesser activities.) iFixIt really does list everything -- from the fact that the size is a #00 Phillips screwdriver, to the list that there are 3 screws that are 13.5 mm long and 7 that are 3 mm long, to the fact that the memory chips are spring loaded. In case anybody else wants to know the instructions for upgrading either a 2009 or 2010 MacBook Pro 13" Unibody model, here they are. As for the size of the screws, the Unibody models use smaller (and more numerous) screws than the Polycarbonate MacBook models. On the subject of the small screws of the Unibody MacBook Pro, Mark Taylor wrote (on another list, in a galaxy far, far away): "I upgraded the ram, myself; it was one of the most tedious tasks I've ever performed. I have never seen such small screws in my lifetime." Instructions follow: Step 1 - Installing MacBook Pro 13" Unibody Mid 2009 or 2010 Lower Case Remove the following 10 screws securing the lower case to the MacBook Pro 13" Unibody: ? Seven 3 mm Phillips screws. ? Three 13.5 mm Phillips screws. Step 2 Slightly lift the lower case and push it toward the rear of the computer to free the mounting tabs. Step 3 - Optional Step For precautionary purposes, we advise that you disconnect the battery connector from the logic board to avoid any electrical discharge. This step is optional and is not required. Use the flat end of a spudger to lift the battery connector up out of its socket on the logic board. Step 4 ? RAM ? Release the tabs on each side of the chip by simultaneously pushing each tab away from the RAM. ? These tabs lock the chip in place and releasing them will cause the chip to "pop" up. Step 5 After the RAM chip has popped up, pull it straight out of its socket. Repeat this process if a second RAM chip is installed. To reassemble your device, follow these instructions in reverse order. This document was last generated on Feb 12, 2011. Source: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Installing-MacBook-Pro-13-Inch-Unibody-Mid-2010-RAM/4319/1 On Aug 21, 2011, at 19:34, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Thanks to Colin, Lynne and Esther for your help. I kept waiting for Colin to arrive here in Chicago where I'm visiting my Mother but he never came, so I ran out to Wallgreens which is a drug store chain that also carries some groceries and other nicnacs. They had a tiny unmagnatized Phillips head that fit the bill perfectly. My "about this mac" screen now indicates that I have 8GB of memory, so it will be interesting to observe whether this modification does actually affect the machine's performance. > > I really appreciate Lynne's pointing out that the screws were not all the same size. I followed her advice and kept them in the back as much as possible. One area where I messed up was that I inadvertently knocked a few of them off. I've never seen such tiny screws -- I suppose that's why they recommend a magnetized driver. In the end I lost a tiny screw somewhere in mom's thick carpet, but am sure my MBP isn't in danger of coming apart. I had not read Esther's post, but as Lynne suggested it was pretty clear what needed to be done once the back was off the box. > > One thing I don't recall when installing memory previously that I'll mention here since it took me a little time to figure it out as I didn't want to pry anything. The memory sticks are clamped down by a couple spring loaded thingeys (how bout that for a technical term?). When you move both of them away from the sides the first stick will pop up and can easily be removed. The second memory bank is right below and can be extracted rather easily once the top one is out. This probably isn't unique, but I recall snapping them into place when I broke into other boxes. > > Anyway I really appreciate everyone's help and thanks to Lynne, I only lost one screw instead of what it might have been had I followed my original plan and removed them from the back. > > Best regards. > Geoff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:49 PM > Subject: Re: Breaking into an MBP. > > > Hi Esther > > You are correct about the screws being longer in 3 of the holes. We sat and watched Gordon do this upgrade just last week, so it can be done without vision. We didn't seek any instructions because it seemed obvious once you have the back off. > > But I am, as usual, amazed by your thorough research. > > Lynne > > On 22 Aug 2011, at 01:37, Esther wrote: > > You can generally find instruction guides at the iFixIt site. I did a Google Search on "ifixit macbook pro 13" unibody 2010 ram" and got the page for the replacement guide: > ? "Installing MacBook Pro 13" Unibody Mid 2010 RAM" > http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Installing-MacBook-Pro-13-Inch-Unibody-Mid-2010-RAM/4319/1 > > You don't have to be so specific -- if you get to the iFixIt web site, you can just type in the search term for the particular model you want, and the operation you need to do (e.g. disk or memory upgrade). > > There's a link to download a PDF guide under the "Format" heading. (I'll send you the guide as an attachment off list). Otherwise, you'll need to move to the second web page. Actual instructions are simple, and involve removing 10 Phillips #00 screws. Keep track of these, because I think that 3 of the screws are longer, although the head size for the screw driver should be the same in all cases. > > You can ignore the optional step about disconnecting the battery with a "spudger". A spudger is just a general-purpose flat bladed tool for lifting up electronic components. > > One thing I noticed: the instructions are the same for the 2010 and 2009 Unibody MacBook Pro models, and although the web page doesn't refer to the model as the 2010 MacBook Pro 13" in the body of instructions, the PDF file does. From carolforrester at vodafoneemail.co.uk Mon Aug 22 09:47:47 2011 From: carolforrester at vodafoneemail.co.uk (carol forrester) Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 09:47:47 +0100 Subject: Skype On iPod Touch In-Reply-To: <51651C84-CE7C-488C-B057-42199DCE0975@internode.on.net> References: <1324878C-5E9B-49B7-BDAA-D425F717B9D3@q.com> <51651C84-CE7C-488C-B057-42199DCE0975@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <48B18B57-2542-448B-A329-F99860EA05B4@vodafoneemail.co.uk> I have found it great, it is in the free top tens and such like list in the store. I find it better on the iPod touch apart from it does eat the battery, take care, Carol On 22 Aug 2011, at 03:09, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Just look up Skype on Itunes, the Skype there is universal though be warned, it seems to be a bit flaky when used with Voiceover sometimes. > > For example, I've had Voiceover go into "Stutter Mode" at different times whilst using the Skype App with my Ipad, sometimes Voiceover may not read out what's on the screen when you touch, for example a number on the dial pad etc. > > > On 22/08/2011, at 5:37 AM, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> Is there a version of Skype that can be used on the iPod Touch? I searched the App Store with my iPod last night, but the version that came up said something about paying for calls with credit or some such? Any advice on this would be most appreciated! 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This is strange as you see mails to the list are sent fine if I send from my old Windows PC using Outlook. This was a sporadic problem on the Mac with some mails getting through to the list and some not but now it appears that every mail I send to the list from the Mac is being bounced back. I am using the same email account on both machines. I am sending other test mails from the Mac and they appear to work OK provided they are not sent to the Mac access list. Is there some setting I need to change on Apple Mail? Regards David Griffith __________ Information from ESET Smart Security,