From moriond at mac.com Tue Mar 1 00:22:50 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 14:22:50 -1000 Subject: LMP Bluetooth Numaric Keypad. In-Reply-To: <48BAC57D37C8456BA40D46FACBA7AC91@MainComputer> References: <48BAC57D37C8456BA40D46FACBA7AC91@MainComputer> Message-ID: <93A4C914-1DC7-4E7A-8218-36B9FCB0EE8D@mac.com> Hi Jim, Thanks for this summary, I read about the LMP Bluetooth Keypad on Engadget and TUAW back in December, and the follow-up article announcing that the FCC had approved the design and that it was available for sale (for $39.99 list price) at the end of January. Link to earlier Engagdet article with description is: http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/01/lmp-bluetooth-keypad-escapes-all-pretense-wants-to-befriend-you/ TUAW's article, "Add a number keypad to your Apple Wireless Keyboard", said: Still find yourself reaching for the non-existent number keypad on your Apple Wireless Keyboard? Well, it looks like you may be in luck: Wireless Goodness has uncovered some information about LMP's new 28-key Bluetooth keypad. Running off two AA batteries and made from the same anodized aluminum finish that Apple is known for, this number pad can be attached to the right-hand side of your wireless keyboard mimicking a standard-sized keyboard layout. For those of you who want a little space between your keyboard and keypad, it can also be kept separate off to either side. I'll just note that the reviews at Amazon state that this Numeric Keypad is not compatible with the iPad, and that this information comes inside the documentation material. Otherwise, the fact that this can be used as an appended add-on to the Apple Wireless Keyboard is very handy. For people interested in Bluetooth keyboards with a Numpad that are compatible with the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad, the Mattias Bluetooth Folding Keyboard is supposed to work well. (It is, however, nearly as large as the Apple Wireless keyboard in footprint, even folded in half). I'll just state that if you are fortunate enough to have one of the old Think Outside Stowaway (Bluetooth) keyboards in the Sierra model (the one with a separate top row of number keys so there are 5 rows of keys -- not the ultra-slim Sonoma model with 4 rows of keys that Sandy and Andrea have, and that I also have), this foldable keyboard has a numlock key. When it is switched on I can use the embedded numeric keypad of the keyboard to enter numbers and characters on my iPad or iPod Touch. That is: "7 8 9 0" act as "7 8 9 /", "u i o p" act as "4 5 6 *", "j k l ;" act as "1 2 3 -", and "m , . /" act as "0 , . +". The numlock key is toggled on and off by pressing Fn+Caps Lock, where "Fn" is the key immediately to the left of the space bar. The 5-row Sierra model Stowaway Bluetooth Keyboard has the same pairing behavior as the 4-row Sonoma model does -- it's good for the iPod Touch, iPad, and fourth generation iPhone, but with the iPhone 3GS, if you lose pairing because the keyboard goes to sleep due to inactivity, or because you close the keyboard, you have to re-pair the device. With the third generation iPod Touch and iPad, you only need to repair the device if you close your keyboard (which turns it off). Otherwise, simply touching a key will wake the keyboard and resume the connection. With the iPhone 4, touching any key resumes the connection, even when you re-open the keyboard after having closed it. (Note: this is not true if the keyboard has been paired to another device in between -- you cannot pair this, or I believe any other Bluetooth keyboard to many different devices and have the device "know" which device it should resume a connection with simply because it is now in proximity with that device in discoverable mode.) The Sierra model Stowaway keyboard also has the nice feature that bottommost of the four extra keys in a column to the right of the main keyboard acts as a "Home" button. That means I can toggle VoiceOver off and on by pressing it three times in succession, launch the App Switcher by pressing it twice, and return to the main Home screen by pressing it once. (If I'm already at the main Home scree, pressing this button takes me to the "Spotlight Search" screen, just as clicking the "Home" button on the iPhone would). The "Home" button key is just to the right of the "Up" arrow and above the "Right" arrow in the bottom right corner of the keyboard. This Sierra Stowaway keyboard collapses into four sections (it folds along a vertical center line, but then each of the two halves also have a fold line, so the folded footprint is similar to the Ultraslim Stowaway keyboard, but it's a bit thicker). It is put into pairing mode by pressing a small depression above the top row's hyphen key. (This is obvious, because the top plastic section edge is the right edge of the third of the four folding sections -- move your finger about half an inch to the left from the right edge, and you'll feel a small recess near the top edge, and perhaps a second similar recess a quarter of an inch to the left of it. The first recess is the pairing switch -- after you open your keyboard and push the two raised "handles" at the right and left ends of the outside keyboard segments towards the center, causing the four sections to slip in place together, you use a pen tip or the tip of your headphone jack to push on the rightmost recess. This puts the device into pairing mode, and the second recess is for a small light to indicate to sighted users when the pairing mode has first been turned on, or reactivated.) Unfortunately, production on all the Stowaway keyboards ceased in 2008. These really are nice to type on. The 4-row Sonoma model Stowaway keyboard lies a little flatter when opened, but the easier pairing, separate top row number keys, embedded numpad capability, and "Home" key of the 5-row Sierra model, with similar (though thicker) folded footprint makes this a winner. At nearly twice the weight of the Sonoma model, this is still under 11 ounces -- 10.7 ounces instead of 5.6 ounces, I think. For those of you using your Apple Wireless Keyboard with your Macs, I think there are software solutions to activate an embedded numpad. However, Edovia's NumPad App ($3.99) will turn your iPhone or iPod Touch into a separate number pad for your Mac, and will work without requiring you to download a separate desktop program to connect. (This works with VoiceOver, but I'm not sure that I would do really extensive work with this -- it's fine for inputting numbers, and you can actually run NumPad Commander this way, but when I tried to use this to check keyboard position in pixels (VO-F5 twice) when searching the status bar menu of my screen, it would sometimes get caught up in repeated looping VoiceOver announcements as it tried to follow my mouse motions.) HTH. Cheers, Esther On Feb 28, 2011, at 12:50, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hi Folks: > > I thought I would give a heads-up to anyone who is looking for a Bluetooth numeric keypad for their wireless keyboard. > > The LMP Bluetooth Keypad will do the trick. It can be attached to your regular Apple Bluetooth keyboard with each unit maintaining their individual power on capability. > > Two small negative points: > > 1. it can be a bit tricky to pair. > 2. The operating distance is not as good on the LMP keypad as it is on the Apple Bluetooth keyboard. It certainly can cover any size room; however, if one is wishing to operate the Mac from a longer distance using a wireless headset, (say, on the patio), this could be a problem. Having said that, it must be emphasized that the Apple Bluetooth keyboard has better than average coverage. > > If you have any questions, give us a shout. > > Cheers. > From moriond at mac.com Tue Mar 1 00:47:26 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 14:47:26 -1000 Subject: Audio book binder question In-Reply-To: References: <7EC434EA-C22C-4864-B2E6-D620A969C9A9@hopewell.org.uk> <97D55F34-62C9-4DDC-974A-48C4639354CD@hopewell.org.uk> <7F7F5F58-281E-4D26-AC16-52373B8F2ED5@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <8BC5E030-EBBC-4ABC-8258-6010A0545E51@mac.com> Hi Courtney, The first thing to check is whether iTunes recognizes that chapters were made, whether or not you can navigate to chapter markers. After you have started playing one of the tracks that you produced with Audiobook Binder, pause playback (e.g, press space bar), then navigate to the iTunes menu bar. (Use either Control-F2 or VO-M to move to the iTunes menu bar, then press "c". Does VoiceOver announce "Chapters" or does it only find "Controls"? If the chapters were correctly created, you should be places at the "Chapters" menu. You will not be able to find this menu (even if there are chapter markers in the track), unless you have actually started playing a track with chapter markers. If chapters were not found, it could be for several reasons. I haven't used Audiobook Binder myself, but most such programs give you options to join files and maintain their file format (e.g. construct a larger MP3 file), or change to MP4 format, which involves transcoding the file. Chapter markers are only supported in MP4 format -- the feature is not built into the MP3 specifications. Finally, there are physical limitations of file types in making things work. Both MP3 and MP4 file specifications were designed for music, and no-one expected single music tracks to play for more than, say, 12 or 13 hours. The actual limit is about 13 hours, depending on the encoding sampling rate you use to import. However, this is a physical hard limit (meaning that single files of this length will certainly fail if default CD encoding values are used -- not that the files that do not fail will play well. This is because the file counters for time cannot represent numbers correctly above this value, and a sure sign of this problem is that your track playing times show ridiculous, or even negative values.) If your 10 MP3 files were each ripped from an 80-minute CD, the total time could exceed 13 hours in a single track. Another problem could be if your MP3 files were encoded at different sampling rates -- depending on the method the program uses to join the tracks, the final tags could be computed incorrectly. It's a bit difficult to come up with more suggestions without knowing more about what you did, what you tried, and what did or did not work. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Feb 28, 2011, at 13:50, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > Unfortunately, command plus shift plus right arrow isn't working for me, in the process of adding the files, was there anything special you might have done to make it separate into chapters? > Thanks, > Courtney From moopiecurran at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 01:06:04 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:06:04 -0500 Subject: Audio book binder question In-Reply-To: <8BC5E030-EBBC-4ABC-8258-6010A0545E51@mac.com> References: <7EC434EA-C22C-4864-B2E6-D620A969C9A9@hopewell.org.uk> <97D55F34-62C9-4DDC-974A-48C4639354CD@hopewell.org.uk> <7F7F5F58-281E-4D26-AC16-52373B8F2ED5@hopewell.org.uk> <8BC5E030-EBBC-4ABC-8258-6010A0545E51@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi, There's not a chapter menu in the Itunes window, but it is a .m4b file, so it should be bookmarkable. Each audio file is about 30 minutes in length, so I don't believe the length is an issue. Courtney On Feb 28, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Courtney, > > The first thing to check is whether iTunes recognizes that chapters were made, whether or not you can navigate to chapter markers. After you have started playing one of the tracks that you produced with Audiobook Binder, pause playback (e.g, press space bar), then navigate to the iTunes menu bar. (Use either Control-F2 or VO-M to move to the iTunes menu bar, then press "c". Does VoiceOver announce "Chapters" or does it only find "Controls"? If the chapters were correctly created, you should be places at the "Chapters" menu. You will not be able to find this menu (even if there are chapter markers in the track), unless you have actually started playing a track with chapter markers. > > If chapters were not found, it could be for several reasons. I haven't used Audiobook Binder myself, but most such programs give you options to join files and maintain their file format (e.g. construct a larger MP3 file), or change to MP4 format, which involves transcoding the file. Chapter markers are only supported in MP4 format -- the feature is not built into the MP3 specifications. Finally, there are physical limitations of file types in making things work. Both MP3 and MP4 file specifications were designed for music, and no-one expected single music tracks to play for more than, say, 12 or 13 hours. The actual limit is about 13 hours, depending on the encoding sampling rate you use to import. However, this is a physical hard limit (meaning that single files of this length will certainly fail if default CD encoding values are used -- not that the files that do not fail will play well. This is because the file counters for time cannot represent numbers correctly ab > ove this value, and a sure sign of this problem is that your track playing times show ridiculous, or even negative values.) > > If your 10 MP3 files were each ripped from an 80-minute CD, the total time could exceed 13 hours in a single track. Another problem could be if your MP3 files were encoded at different sampling rates -- depending on the method the program uses to join the tracks, the final tags could be computed incorrectly. > > It's a bit difficult to come up with more suggestions without knowing more about what you did, what you tried, and what did or did not work. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > > On Feb 28, 2011, at 13:50, Courtney Curran wrote: > >> Hi, >> Unfortunately, command plus shift plus right arrow isn't working for me, in the process of adding the files, was there anything special you might have done to make it separate into chapters? >> Thanks, >> Courtney > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From khwicca at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 02:25:36 2011 From: khwicca at gmail.com (Kristeen Hughes) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 21:25:36 -0500 Subject: Is there a way to select items that are not together? In-Reply-To: <52FBD9C2-425C-4071-812B-952CF9D85BBC@fastmail.us> References: <8A5518F4-1CAF-404E-8E14-7C6040F1FD90@gmail.com> <085BB738-A366-4D42-8FCE-332413171A10@gmail.com> <52FBD9C2-425C-4071-812B-952CF9D85BBC@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <9B19249A-40F4-4CA6-A098-94A416FA863B@gmail.com> In Windows you could go through a list of items and by holding down the control key you could press the spacebar on the items you wanted and select them regardless of where they were in the list. Is there a way to do this with the mac? Thanks. Kristeen From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 02:34:12 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:34:12 -0800 Subject: Is there a way to select items that are not together? In-Reply-To: <9B19249A-40F4-4CA6-A098-94A416FA863B@gmail.com> References: <8A5518F4-1CAF-404E-8E14-7C6040F1FD90@gmail.com> <085BB738-A366-4D42-8FCE-332413171A10@gmail.com> <52FBD9C2-425C-4071-812B-952CF9D85BBC@fastmail.us> <9B19249A-40F4-4CA6-A098-94A416FA863B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <481A5030-C970-4CBA-A39B-B2C99CBAED49@gmail.com> Yep there is 1. go to the first item. 2. turn curser tracking off and lock the keys with vo semicolon. 3. move up and or down the list with up and or down arrow and hit cmd space on the items you want to select. 4. turn curser tracking back on and apply your action. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Feb 28, 2011, at 6:25 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: > In Windows you could go through a list of items and by holding down the control key you could press the spacebar on the items you wanted and select them regardless of where they were in the list. Is there a way to do this with the mac? > > Thanks. > > Kristeen > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 02:37:28 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 21:37:28 -0500 Subject: RFB&D Releases RFB&D Audio iOS App In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4d6c5be7.9c4de50a.1ad1.7562@mx.google.com> it doesn't say whether you can simply download books directly from the RFB site to your device or whether you have to place them on your device using ITunes. Kevin At 05:38 PM 2/28/2011, you wrote: >REad more at the link below. you need to click on the blind bargains >post though to find the info. good luck. > >http://post.ly/1gT21 #a11y #accessibility #news >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 02:41:18 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 18:41:18 -0800 Subject: Ex-Apple manager pleads guilty to 23 charges in kickback case - Dow Jones Message-ID: <9CC6A506-30BD-4B4C-AA0D-967CFCC1869C@gmail.com> I didn't know where to put this but read on if you can. I had trouble with this in safari. http://on.wsj.com/hfoaR4 From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 03:10:24 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:10:24 -0800 Subject: Slashdot, Macbook Pro teardowns show issues Message-ID: Did apple's builders mess up? read on. http://bit.ly/gJ4H9d From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 03:14:29 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 19:14:29 -0800 Subject: RFB&D Releases RFB&D Audio iOS App In-Reply-To: <4d6c5be7.9c4de50a.1ad1.7562@mx.google.com> References: <4d6c5be7.9c4de50a.1ad1.7562@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <26CDC944-7E31-407C-8FF3-48D8C1338694@gmail.com> I don't know. I've never used the app before and they just posted an faq a few minutes ago actually. Fequently asked questions on the RFB&D Audio iOS app: http://ow.ly/45dNR On Feb 28, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Kevin Barry wrote: > it doesn't say whether you can simply download books directly from the RFB site to your device or whether you have to place them on your device using ITunes. > Kevin > > At 05:38 PM 2/28/2011, you wrote: >> REad more at the link below. you need to click on the blind bargains post though to find the info. good luck. >> >> http://post.ly/1gT21 #a11y #accessibility #news >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 03:20:31 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:20:31 -0500 Subject: RFB&D Releases RFB&D Audio iOS App In-Reply-To: <26CDC944-7E31-407C-8FF3-48D8C1338694@gmail.com> References: <4d6c5be7.9c4de50a.1ad1.7562@mx.google.com> <26CDC944-7E31-407C-8FF3-48D8C1338694@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4d6c65fe.5145e50a.7b84.7366@mx.google.com> Thanks. the FAQ seems to imply you must transfer the files yourself after downloading them but it also hints you can do it with their own manager and not ITunes. At 10:14 PM 2/28/2011, you wrote: >I don't know. I've never used the app before and they just posted an >faq a few minutes ago actually. > >Fequently asked questions on the RFB&D Audio iOS app: > >http://ow.ly/45dNR >On Feb 28, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Kevin Barry wrote: > > > it doesn't say whether you can simply download books directly > from the RFB site to your device or whether you have to place them > on your device using ITunes. > > Kevin > > > > At 05:38 PM 2/28/2011, you wrote: > >> REad more at the link below. you need to click on the blind > bargains post though to find the info. good luck. > >> > >> http://post.ly/1gT21 #a11y #accessibility #news > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > >> > >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > >> > >> > >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >> > >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically > by visiting the list website at: > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From khwicca at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 04:04:16 2011 From: khwicca at gmail.com (Kristeen Hughes) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 23:04:16 -0500 Subject: Is there a way to select items that are not together? In-Reply-To: <481A5030-C970-4CBA-A39B-B2C99CBAED49@gmail.com> References: <8A5518F4-1CAF-404E-8E14-7C6040F1FD90@gmail.com> <085BB738-A366-4D42-8FCE-332413171A10@gmail.com> <52FBD9C2-425C-4071-812B-952CF9D85BBC@fastmail.us> <9B19249A-40F4-4CA6-A098-94A416FA863B@gmail.com> <481A5030-C970-4CBA-A39B-B2C99CBAED49@gmail.com> Message-ID: <36A84BA8-E484-49EC-A61C-3BCE7053A2ED@gmail.com> Thanks, but how do you turn off cursor tracking? Kristeen On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Yep there is > > 1. go to the first item. > > 2. turn curser tracking off and lock the keys with vo semicolon. > > 3. move up and or down the list with up and or down arrow and hit cmd space on the items you want to select. > > 4. turn curser tracking back on and apply your action. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On Feb 28, 2011, at 6:25 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: > >> In Windows you could go through a list of items and by holding down the control key you could press the spacebar on the items you wanted and select them regardless of where they were in the list. Is there a way to do this with the mac? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Kristeen >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 04:09:02 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:09:02 -0800 Subject: Is there a way to select items that are not together? In-Reply-To: <36A84BA8-E484-49EC-A61C-3BCE7053A2ED@gmail.com> References: <8A5518F4-1CAF-404E-8E14-7C6040F1FD90@gmail.com> <085BB738-A366-4D42-8FCE-332413171A10@gmail.com> <52FBD9C2-425C-4071-812B-952CF9D85BBC@fastmail.us> <9B19249A-40F4-4CA6-A098-94A416FA863B@gmail.com> <481A5030-C970-4CBA-A39B-B2C99CBAED49@gmail.com> <36A84BA8-E484-49EC-A61C-3BCE7053A2ED@gmail.com> Message-ID: <84FE677F-FE78-4461-A6CB-CBA8E5A23F7E@gmail.com> Oops! sorry about that. it's vo shift f3 to turn it off and the same to turn it back on. On Feb 28, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: > Thanks, but how do you turn off cursor tracking? > > Kristeen > > On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Yep there is >> >> 1. go to the first item. >> >> 2. turn curser tracking off and lock the keys with vo semicolon. >> >> 3. move up and or down the list with up and or down arrow and hit cmd space on the items you want to select. >> >> 4. turn curser tracking back on and apply your action. >> >> Take care. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On Feb 28, 2011, at 6:25 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: >> >>> In Windows you could go through a list of items and by holding down the control key you could press the spacebar on the items you wanted and select them regardless of where they were in the list. Is there a way to do this with the mac? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Kristeen >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 04:09:56 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 20:09:56 -0800 Subject: RFB&D Releases RFB&D Audio iOS App In-Reply-To: <4d6c65fe.5145e50a.7b84.7366@mx.google.com> References: <4d6c5be7.9c4de50a.1ad1.7562@mx.google.com> <26CDC944-7E31-407C-8FF3-48D8C1338694@gmail.com> <4d6c65fe.5145e50a.7b84.7366@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I just read on another ist that you use th eitunes file sharingfeature to do it but you need about 2 or 3 times the space for it to unpack the book. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Feb 28, 2011, at 7:20 PM, Kevin Barry wrote: > Thanks. > the FAQ seems to imply you must transfer the files yourself after downloading them but it also hints you can do it with their own manager and not ITunes. > > At 10:14 PM 2/28/2011, you wrote: >> I don't know. I've never used the app before and they just posted an faq a few minutes ago actually. >> >> Fequently asked questions on the RFB&D Audio iOS app: >> >> http://ow.ly/45dNR >> On Feb 28, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Kevin Barry wrote: >> >> > it doesn't say whether you can simply download books directly from the RFB site to your device or whether you have to place them on your device using ITunes. >> > Kevin >> > >> > At 05:38 PM 2/28/2011, you wrote: >> >> REad more at the link below. you need to click on the blind bargains post though to find the info. good luck. >> >> >> >> http://post.ly/1gT21 #a11y #accessibility #news >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> > >> > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> > >> > >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> > >> > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From khwicca at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 04:09:55 2011 From: khwicca at gmail.com (Kristeen Hughes) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 23:09:55 -0500 Subject: Is there a way to select items that are not together? In-Reply-To: <84FE677F-FE78-4461-A6CB-CBA8E5A23F7E@gmail.com> References: <8A5518F4-1CAF-404E-8E14-7C6040F1FD90@gmail.com> <085BB738-A366-4D42-8FCE-332413171A10@gmail.com> <52FBD9C2-425C-4071-812B-952CF9D85BBC@fastmail.us> <9B19249A-40F4-4CA6-A098-94A416FA863B@gmail.com> <481A5030-C970-4CBA-A39B-B2C99CBAED49@gmail.com> <36A84BA8-E484-49EC-A61C-3BCE7053A2ED@gmail.com> <84FE677F-FE78-4461-A6CB-CBA8E5A23F7E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <398D6EAE-4CA4-44EB-985F-537907352F2F@gmail.com> Oh thank you so very much! Kristeen On Feb 28, 2011, at 11:09 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Oops! sorry about that. it's vo shift f3 to turn it off and the same to turn it back on. > On Feb 28, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: > >> Thanks, but how do you turn off cursor tracking? >> >> Kristeen >> >> On Feb 28, 2011, at 9:34 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> Yep there is >>> >>> 1. go to the first item. >>> >>> 2. turn curser tracking off and lock the keys with vo semicolon. >>> >>> 3. move up and or down the list with up and or down arrow and hit cmd space on the items you want to select. >>> >>> 4. turn curser tracking back on and apply your action. >>> >>> Take care. >>> Sarah Alawami >>> >>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>> >>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>> >>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>> >>> On Feb 28, 2011, at 6:25 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: >>> >>>> In Windows you could go through a list of items and by holding down the control key you could press the spacebar on the items you wanted and select them regardless of where they were in the list. Is there a way to do this with the mac? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Kristeen >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From express_able at yahoo.com Tue Mar 1 06:47:55 2011 From: express_able at yahoo.com (Chris R. Johnson) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 22:47:55 -0800 (PST) Subject: Open Office and its accessibility with voiceover In-Reply-To: <5F6D94C8-F07C-4757-8943-1FF54A72BE64@gmail.com> Message-ID: <305545.61791.qm@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Has anyone tried NeoOffice?? I find it works better with the Mac than OpenOffice but not sure about with VoiceOver.? Can't test it now either- my mac is down. Chris johnson --- On Sun, 27/2/11, Sarah Alawami wrote: From: Sarah Alawami Subject: Re: Open Office and its accessibility with voiceover To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Date: Sunday, 27 February, 2011, 2:08 AM Darn! Ok maybe someone can do a movie screenshot and send in the crash reports as well. How could they not verify it. is it vo specific I wonder. Sarah Alawami If you? need an edit? done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Feb 27, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Rose Morales wrote: > Tried it the other day. Still crashes when you launch preferences. Filed a bug report for version 3.1. They couldn't verify the bug, supposedly. Just wow. > On Feb 27, 2011, at 3:32 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I have not used it? in about 6 months but? I hope they fixed it so it does not crash when entering the prefs and the mail merge thing. if they fixed that I don't have to find that script to do mail merges and bulk emailers again.. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you? need an edit? done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On Feb 27, 2011, at 12:09 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> The accessibility of Open Office with voiceover has been discussed on numerous occasions. Does anyone know whether Open Office is any more accessible now than it used to be a year ago? >>> >>> Thanks for any info. >>> >>> Simon >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted? ? to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted? ? to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted? ? to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted? ? to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 07:00:32 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 23:00:32 -0800 Subject: Open Office and its accessibility with voiceover In-Reply-To: <305545.61791.qm@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <305545.61791.qm@web37401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > I've never heard of it actually. I'll have to give it a whorl whn I have a paper to wrote lol! Take care. On Feb 28, 2011, at 10:47 PM, Chris R. Johnson wrote: > Has anyone tried NeoOffice? I find it works better with the Mac than OpenOffice but not sure about with VoiceOver. Can't test it now either- my mac is down. > > Chris johnson > > --- On Sun, 27/2/11, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > From: Sarah Alawami > Subject: Re: Open Office and its accessibility with voiceover > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Date: Sunday, 27 February, 2011, 2:08 AM > > Darn! Ok maybe someone can do a movie screenshot and send in the crash reports as well. How could they not verify it. is it vo specific I wonder. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On Feb 27, 2011, at 12:34 AM, Rose Morales wrote: > >> Tried it the other day. Still crashes when you launch preferences. Filed a bug report for version 3.1. They couldn't verify the bug, supposedly. Just wow. >> On Feb 27, 2011, at 3:32 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> I have not used it in about 6 months but I hope they fixed it so it does not crash when entering the prefs and the mail merge thing. if they fixed that I don't have to find that script to do mail merges and bulk emailers again.. >>> Sarah Alawami >>> >>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>> >>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>> >>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>> >>> On Feb 27, 2011, at 12:09 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> The accessibility of Open Office with voiceover has been discussed on numerous occasions. Does anyone know whether Open Office is any more accessible now than it used to be a year ago? >>>> >>>> Thanks for any info. >>>> >>>> Simon >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon-and-lynne.mobile at mac-access.net Tue Mar 1 09:55:15 2011 From: gordon-and-lynne.mobile at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 09:55:15 +0000 Subject: Mac OSX Lion Discussion Message-ID: Hello everybody I am writing this while mobile at hospital; Gordon was admitted last night and kept in for observation. So I couldn't use the support address. Could I ask people to please not discuss the details of Lion on this list. The discussion of Lion is prohibited under a non-disclosure agreement which you signed up to if you joined the developer programme. You are putting not only yourself at risk if you discuss Lion, but also this group. So, I am going to come down hard on anybody who breaks that agreement on this list. Public information is one thing; and, of course, that's not a problem. But details of how things work under Lion are quite another thing. Anybody who breaks the NDA will be removed from the group and banned until they agree to behave in a proper way. This isn't a snipe; I'm not having a go at any individual. This is a general request/warning to all members. We will not tolerate breaches of NDA under any circumstances whatsoever. So, guys, no excuses please because I won't accept them. Lion, apart from what Apple opts to release publicly themselves, is off limits. I hope I am making myself absolutely and totally clear on this point,. I will say it again just one more time; Lion is off limits apart from what Apple themselves opts to release publicly. Lynne _______________________________________ Gordon & Lynne Smith; gordon-and-lynne.mobile at mac-access.net VOIP ... 6718004 at GRADWELL.NET MMS & SMS ... +44-7907-823-971 Fax: +44--1642-365-123 We sent this message using our Apple iPad; the best mobile data device in the universe! From gordon at mac-access.net Tue Mar 1 15:13:36 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 15:13:36 +0000 Subject: Infovox iVox Pronuncition Editor Message-ID: <610CCFB4-ACD7-41BA-863C-7EA2696394AF@mac-access.net> Hi all Forgive me please if I make errors here; I am still feeling very fragile following last night's experiences. I thought I would post this as it's something I meant to send a while back, and something that I worked on myself. It involves the editing of pronunciations by the Infovox speech synthesisers. Bear in mind here that I am using the British English voices, not the American ones. Although the procedures are the same. For this example, I use the words "fairmount" and "DVDREMASTER", both of which are by default pronounced wrongly by the InfoVox speech synthesisers. In the Infovox iVox Pronunciation Editor, we first need to create a new entry for "Fairmount" and enter "#f e at 1 m aU n t" in the new pronunciation field. We must be sure to remove the quotes if we copy and paste from the clipboard. When we are finished, we click "Update", and then "Save". We need to create another new entry for "DVDRemaster". Repeat the first part of the procedure above, and, in the new pronunciation field, we would enter: "#d i:1 v i:1 d i:1 A:1 r i:1 e1 m eI1 e1 s t_h i:1 i:1 A:1". making sure to remove the quotes at the start and end of that string of text. When we're finished, we click "Update" and then "save". As I told you earlier, I'm using the British English synthesisers so please note these pronunciations are for British English and may be slightly different for American English. As I demonstrated in the above examples, it's possible to build a word using phonetic symbols or, to give them their technically correct name, "Phonemes". Phonemes are basically the sounds which make up the words of a given language. Each of those symbols represents a different sound, and the Phonemes List in the Pronunciation Editor displays all of the available symbols; and offers an example of the sounds they make, as illustrated by the capitalised letters in the example words. As an example of this, "Fairmount", the original pronunciation was listed as "#f I m aU1 n t", and you would hear "Fimount". To correct the pronunciation, I looked at the phonemes list and located the correct sound and corresponding symbol for "Fair", in this case it was "e@" as in "Pear" and "Where". Finally, you can add emphasis or inflections to a syllable by following it with a "1", as you can see in my example. This looks a lot more complex than it actually is, and if anybody would like me too, I can produce a podcast demo of this for Mac Access. Gordon From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 20:53:11 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 12:53:11 -0800 Subject: Infovox iVox Pronuncition Editor In-Reply-To: <610CCFB4-ACD7-41BA-863C-7EA2696394AF@mac-access.net> References: <610CCFB4-ACD7-41BA-863C-7EA2696394AF@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <567DE06C-7F5A-485F-B788-864C3C909651@gmail.com> why not just type in the pronouncation and then look at the phniems to see if htye are right? I did that and it worked seemlesly. I didn't have to memorise phonetics symbols at all or learn them and type them in by hand. S On Mar 1, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Forgive me please if I make errors here; I am still feeling very fragile following last night's experiences. > > I thought I would post this as it's something I meant to send a while back, and something that I worked on myself. It involves the editing of pronunciations by the Infovox speech synthesisers. Bear in mind here that I am using the British English voices, not the American ones. Although the procedures are the same. For this example, I use the words "fairmount" and "DVDREMASTER", both of which are by default pronounced wrongly by the InfoVox speech synthesisers. > > In the Infovox iVox Pronunciation Editor, we first need to create a new entry for "Fairmount" and enter "#f e at 1 m aU n t" in the new pronunciation field. We must be sure to remove the quotes if we copy and paste from the clipboard. When we are finished, we click "Update", and then "Save". > > We need to create another new entry for "DVDRemaster". Repeat the first part of the procedure above, and, in the new pronunciation field, we would enter: > "#d i:1 v i:1 d i:1 A:1 r i:1 e1 m eI1 e1 s t_h i:1 i:1 A:1". > making sure to remove the quotes at the start and end of that string of text. When we're finished, we click "Update" and then "save". As I told you earlier, I'm using the British English synthesisers so please note these pronunciations are for British English and may be slightly > different for American English. > > As I demonstrated in the above examples, it's possible to build a word using phonetic symbols or, to give them their technically correct name, "Phonemes". Phonemes are basically the sounds which make up the words of a given language. Each of those symbols represents a different sound, and the Phonemes List in the Pronunciation Editor displays all of the available symbols; and offers an example of the sounds they make, as illustrated by the capitalised letters in the example words. > > As an example of this, "Fairmount", the original pronunciation was listed as "#f I m aU1 n t", and > you would hear "Fimount". To correct the pronunciation, I looked at the phonemes list and located the correct sound and corresponding symbol for "Fair", in this case it was "e@" as in "Pear" and "Where". Finally, you can add emphasis or inflections to a syllable by following it with a "1", as you can see in my example. > > This looks a lot more complex than it actually is, and if anybody would like me too, I can produce a podcast demo of this for Mac Access. > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 20:55:42 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 21:55:42 +0100 Subject: Infovox iVox Pronuncition Editor In-Reply-To: <567DE06C-7F5A-485F-B788-864C3C909651@gmail.com> References: <610CCFB4-ACD7-41BA-863C-7EA2696394AF@mac-access.net> <567DE06C-7F5A-485F-B788-864C3C909651@gmail.com> Message-ID: <21B37149-8B8F-4C5C-8ECA-037D671AB76F@gmail.com> Hello Sarah! This is because if you use phonemes, it is a lot easier to achieve the pronunciation you want. While entering words and sometimes checking the phonetics works rather well, sometimes it's not good enough. It's possibly to use the first option in a lot of instances, but there are a lot of cases where you want a perfect pronunciation with no odd silences between. Regards, Nic On Mar 1, 2011, at 9:53 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > why not just type in the pronouncation and then look at the phniems to see if htye are right? I did that and it worked seemlesly. I didn't have to memorise phonetics symbols at all or learn them and type them in by hand. > > S > On Mar 1, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Forgive me please if I make errors here; I am still feeling very fragile following last night's experiences. >> >> I thought I would post this as it's something I meant to send a while back, and something that I worked on myself. It involves the editing of pronunciations by the Infovox speech synthesisers. Bear in mind here that I am using the British English voices, not the American ones. Although the procedures are the same. For this example, I use the words "fairmount" and "DVDREMASTER", both of which are by default pronounced wrongly by the InfoVox speech synthesisers. >> >> In the Infovox iVox Pronunciation Editor, we first need to create a new entry for "Fairmount" and enter "#f e at 1 m aU n t" in the new pronunciation field. We must be sure to remove the quotes if we copy and paste from the clipboard. When we are finished, we click "Update", and then "Save". >> >> We need to create another new entry for "DVDRemaster". Repeat the first part of the procedure above, and, in the new pronunciation field, we would enter: >> "#d i:1 v i:1 d i:1 A:1 r i:1 e1 m eI1 e1 s t_h i:1 i:1 A:1". >> making sure to remove the quotes at the start and end of that string of text. When we're finished, we click "Update" and then "save". As I told you earlier, I'm using the British English synthesisers so please note these pronunciations are for British English and may be slightly >> different for American English. >> >> As I demonstrated in the above examples, it's possible to build a word using phonetic symbols or, to give them their technically correct name, "Phonemes". Phonemes are basically the sounds which make up the words of a given language. Each of those symbols represents a different sound, and the Phonemes List in the Pronunciation Editor displays all of the available symbols; and offers an example of the sounds they make, as illustrated by the capitalised letters in the example words. >> >> As an example of this, "Fairmount", the original pronunciation was listed as "#f I m aU1 n t", and >> you would hear "Fimount". To correct the pronunciation, I looked at the phonemes list and located the correct sound and corresponding symbol for "Fair", in this case it was "e@" as in "Pear" and "Where". Finally, you can add emphasis or inflections to a syllable by following it with a "1", as you can see in my example. >> >> This looks a lot more complex than it actually is, and if anybody would like me too, I can produce a podcast demo of this for Mac Access. >> >> Gordon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Tue Mar 1 20:57:25 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 16:57:25 -0400 Subject: open office and voiceover. Message-ID: <162475B0FF744458A3934BF171D81D4C@MainComputer> Hi Folks: Any thoughts on Open Office, Voiceover, and accessibility? Thanks all over the place gang. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From support at mac-access.net Tue Mar 1 21:31:38 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 21:31:38 +0000 Subject: New Member Welcome Message-ID: <1F7D7AC4-2575-494F-AABC-8EF8FED4BC91@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Please do not reply to this thread on list unless your reply has a direct relevance to their Mac use or interest. It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome Joe (no surname available) to our number. We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but have a keen interest. We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope this clarifies the position. If you have any list-related queries, please do not hesitate to contact either Gordon and myself, (the list owners), at , or one of our very capable assistant list controllers; Anne Robertson, or James Austin, and we will be happy to help you. Once again, a very warm welcome to the group. We hope you find your membership an enjoyable experience. Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 21:52:06 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 13:52:06 -0800 Subject: open office and voiceover. In-Reply-To: <162475B0FF744458A3934BF171D81D4C@MainComputer> References: <162475B0FF744458A3934BF171D81D4C@MainComputer> Message-ID: It kind of works but trying a different app as open office renders text a bit oddly. It thinks it's a new paragraph for every line of text. ops? I've emailed them about this but I can't remember there responce. On Mar 1, 2011, at 12:57 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hi Folks: > > Any thoughts on Open Office, Voiceover, and accessibility? > > Thanks all over the place gang. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 22:07:32 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:07:32 -0800 Subject: Verizon to Drop Unlimited iPhone Data Plans as Soon as This Summer Message-ID: what's the theory behind VZ droping its unlimited data plan? read more: http://bit.ly/e7omui From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 22:09:38 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:09:38 -0800 Subject: iPad Showing Up as 'Deleted' in Best Buy Inventories Message-ID: Where did all the ipads go. http://bit.ly/ezrxqG From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 22:11:35 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:11:35 -0800 Subject: Former Apple Supply Manager Pleads Guilty in Kickback Scheme Message-ID: I posted this yesterday but found a better copy of the article. Sorry about that all. read on. http://bit.ly/e25qXD From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 1 22:14:45 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 14:14:45 -0800 Subject: Automatically delete Mac OS X dot files from MS-DOS filesystems Message-ID: This could be useful for some people but be very very careful when doing this hint. http://bit.ly/gnzWbL From khwicca at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 00:58:26 2011 From: khwicca at gmail.com (Kristeen Hughes) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 19:58:26 -0500 Subject: Questions about Braille Displays In-Reply-To: <5B643A57-F1D1-44BF-A7A5-133A66A8F338@computing.dcu.ie> References: <23324E9E4CB649F68944BA49D1CF6262@SamsungNC10> <166C82EC-8699-4F1B-8098-68B67120B0DC@gmail.com> <679C21C2-BD1B-44F0-895F-6F1F103250DE@mac-access.net> <34BFC69C-4B80-469A-9285-3454E957658F@computing.dcu.ie> <8316A007-3259-4574-B889-47992CC950F3@mac-access.net> <579D714F-D8CD-4088-A3D0-CAC4031C9E4A@mac-access.net> <8A4B75F3-F948-4E94-A77A-433D67207710@mac-access.net> <5B643A57-F1D1-44BF-A7A5-133A66A8F338@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <068627F8-DC7A-4FBF-A9AF-7050A6DC10D0@gmail.com> I have found the place in voiceover where the Braille display gets configured, but I hope I'm missing something. There are a lot of things that you can assign keystrokes for, but some things, like tab and delete, for example, do not seem to be included. These are pretty important functions. Does anyone know if there's a way to further customize a display to do these very necessary tasks. Thanks. Kristeen From abreier at kc.rr.com Wed Mar 2 02:39:37 2011 From: abreier at kc.rr.com (Andrea Breier) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 20:39:37 -0600 Subject: Plauyimg moviers on the iPad References: <37ADFBBF-002C-4C16-8786-0ECF65267D48@mac-access.net><2BEDB2A3-2848-4361-8D7C-D63C42E047C2@gmail.com> <7FD94C80-139C-44AB-A4B3-B792081F8A00@me.com> Message-ID: <4C60E2EEFC6D4594AFEDF4760DF5229F@andrea78cdd59a> I think she is receiving email messages with links in them, so I would assume that it would be utube stuff? I am not sure what that stuff usually is. I will try to get her to forward some stuff to me so that I can look at it. My best regards to you all, Andrea M. Breier Spread the laughter Share the cheer Let's be happy While we're here! NET SECURITY: When forwarding email messages please consider your obligation to erase all names and email addresses. And send the message by using BCC (Blind Copy) and you will avoid spammers and viruses on the net. Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Jones" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Plauyimg moviers on the iPad > Hi Andrea, > > Do you know where your mother is trying to get her videos? Different > sources will play in different players on the iPad. For example, Netflix > movies will play in the Netflix App, iTunes movies and TV shows will play > in the included Videos App, and if I remember correctly, Amazon streaming > videos will not play at all on the iPad because they are in Adobe Flash. > > Bryan. > > On Feb 28, 2011, at 1:59 PM, Andrea Breier wrote: >> If you click on a link or something that requires the video app wouldn't >> it just play it? Then if it doesn't play wouldn't that mean that the app >> is missing? My mother has an iPad and she can't play videos either. I >> posted to the list and never got anything back. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 05:12:19 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 23:12:19 -0600 Subject: Creating/Managing Databases Message-ID: <1EB857C5-8B10-4E90-872F-F824159E46DD@gmail.com> All, I'm having to work with a variety of databases, which are in Access 2007 format. What's a good and accessible database creator/management application on Mac OS X and VoiceOver? If you are able to, not only recommend an application, but also have experience with it; it would be absolutely fantastic. Thanks, Kevin From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 05:27:14 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 23:27:14 -0600 Subject: OmniOutliner by Omni Group Message-ID: <535F26C4-E07D-4605-B1D5-606E058DBD6E@gmail.com> Omni Group has OmniOutliner for Mac OS X and iOS. I've got free trial of pro version for Mac OS X. I've found out that most of UI is accessible, but level info, such as in parent, child, sub-child etc are not provided. This makes it very difficult, if not impossible to work in an outline. Has anyone else had experience with OmniOutliner on Mac OS X or iOS with VoiceOver? Omni Group is a much raved about company with their productivity apps in Apple Mac OS X and iOS world. Thanks, Kevin From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 05:37:58 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 23:37:58 -0600 Subject: FileMaker Message-ID: <45BFA139-C453-4DE0-8699-631FD7A223E3@gmail.com> FileMaker seems to be well reviewed and respected as a database/server app on Mac OS X. I'm getting it. I'm wondering if anyone has experience with FileMaker and could provide pointers with VoiceOver Thanks, Kevin From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Mar 2 06:13:32 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 06:13:32 +0000 Subject: Infovox iVox Pronuncition Editor In-Reply-To: <567DE06C-7F5A-485F-B788-864C3C909651@gmail.com> References: <610CCFB4-ACD7-41BA-863C-7EA2696394AF@mac-access.net> <567DE06C-7F5A-485F-B788-864C3C909651@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Sarah On 1 Mar 2011, at 20:53, Sarah Alawami wrote: why not just type in the pronouncation and then look at the phniems to see if htye are right? I did that and it worked seemlesly. I didn't have to memorise phonetics symbols at all or learn them and type them in by hand. Because, if you read the manual, you will see that that method does not always work, and isn't the suggested way of working. From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Mar 2 06:18:04 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 06:18:04 +0000 Subject: FileMaker In-Reply-To: <45BFA139-C453-4DE0-8699-631FD7A223E3@gmail.com> References: <45BFA139-C453-4DE0-8699-631FD7A223E3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Kevin Do you need the full blown server? If not, Bento works well. Lynne On 2 Mar 2011, at 05:37, Kevin Chao wrote: FileMaker seems to be well reviewed and respected as a database/server app on Mac OS X. I'm getting it. I'm wondering if anyone has experience with FileMaker and could provide pointers with VoiceOver Thanks, Kevin _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 07:28:28 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 23:28:28 -0800 Subject: Infovox iVox Pronuncition Editor In-Reply-To: References: <610CCFB4-ACD7-41BA-863C-7EA2696394AF@mac-access.net> <567DE06C-7F5A-485F-B788-864C3C909651@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ah I didn't read any manuals. it worked but I might have to do that the next time. thanks. On Mar 1, 2011, at 10:13 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > On 1 Mar 2011, at 20:53, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > why not just type in the pronouncation and then look at the phniems to see if htye are right? I did that and it worked seemlesly. I didn't have to memorise phonetics symbols at all or learn them and type them in by hand. > > Because, if you read the manual, you will see that that method does not always work, and isn't the suggested way of working. > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 07:51:51 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 23:51:51 -0800 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Spotlight=92s_search_keywords_are_localized?= Message-ID: <9E046A77-80AD-4A19-A3AD-AA2B0B4F4BDE@gmail.com> Here's another hint that someone might like. I don't write in german or what not but here ya go. http://bit.ly/fmplMs From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 07:55:32 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2011 23:55:32 -0800 Subject: 10.6: Enable AutoAnswer in FaceTime for the Mac Message-ID: Here's a little jem someone might want to use if they have facetime on their mac. http://bit.ly/hPIdzk From phonerossy at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 09:14:06 2011 From: phonerossy at gmail.com (rossy) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:14:06 +0100 Subject: Creating/Managing Databases In-Reply-To: <1EB857C5-8B10-4E90-872F-F824159E46DD@gmail.com> References: <1EB857C5-8B10-4E90-872F-F824159E46DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51CE4BFA-F57C-443B-B479-2EDC55041CB8@gmail.com> hi , i use bento and find it very well done . i create a lot of info database and do not use calcolations . Il giorno 02/mar/2011, alle ore 06.12, Kevin Chao ha scritto: > All, > > I'm having to work with a variety of databases, which are in Access 2007 format. What's a good and accessible database creator/management application on Mac OS X and VoiceOver? > > If you are able to, not only recommend an application, but also have experience with it; it would be absolutely fantastic. > > Thanks, > > Kevin > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From billd at insightbb.com Wed Mar 2 13:01:11 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 08:01:11 -0500 Subject: another measure of success Message-ID: <34F2AB6C-07B8-4AE4-B4A4-5B28AA73C650@insightbb.com> Hello every one on the list, Yesterday I went out to the applestore and got my I tunes account set up. The young nman who helped me also showed me how to download a program. we also download a album called the treo by Linda Ronstadt, immylue harris and dolly Parten. i downloaded another album after i got home. I also now have tune in radio on my Iphone. it seems to work well. I am having fun with My Iphone. Thanks to all on the list for your help and encouragement along the way I hope this can be some encouragement to anyone who is new on the list with either an I phone or apple computer who is new to the Apple world. in December I was new to it and I had a lot to learn. I still have a lot to learn and am having fun doing it. Bill Deatherage From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Mar 2 14:15:56 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 14:15:56 +0000 Subject: Infovox iVox Pronuncition Editor In-Reply-To: References: <610CCFB4-ACD7-41BA-863C-7EA2696394AF@mac-access.net> <567DE06C-7F5A-485F-B788-864C3C909651@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Sarah On 2 Mar 2011, at 07:28, Sarah Alawami wrote: Ah I didn't read any manuals. it worked but I might have to do that the next time. As Nic said, if you use the phonemes you can add the inflections and silences you want to your pronunciations. That's why Gordon used our own findings as an example for the particular issue we were having. DVD Re-Master (written there wrongly in case the synthesisers don't pronounce it right), and Fair Mount, (again written wrongly), were two things that really got up our noses. So Gordon went into the editor and figured out the phonemes that you should use and when he updated the pronunciation dictionary in the InfoVox Pronunciation editor, it worked flawlessly. But if you simply add the entries manually, you actually find it much more difficult to get the exact pronunciations and sounds that you want. It's definitely worth playing with this because it applies across the board, Windows and Mac if you use iVox Desktop under Windows. Lynne From billd at insightbb.com Wed Mar 2 14:41:42 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 09:41:42 -0500 Subject: backing up downloaded files from the IPhone Message-ID: <547D7D6F-3EB0-4BE3-B5E5-901DF709B3BB@insightbb.com> Hello, as stated in a previous message, I downloaded some files on my Iphone. I thought it might be a good Idea t o save them on my Mac in Itunes. I was told that if I plug the phone into the computer it will automically transfer them to Itunes.and they will be deleted from my Iphone. If I understood it correctly. then how do I get them back on the Iphone. I have two radio programs and two albums stored in The Ipod program. Thanks for your help in advance. Bill Deatherage From abreier at kc.rr.com Wed Mar 2 15:02:49 2011 From: abreier at kc.rr.com (Andrea Breier) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 09:02:49 -0600 Subject: backing up downloaded files from the IPhone References: <547D7D6F-3EB0-4BE3-B5E5-901DF709B3BB@insightbb.com> Message-ID: No, if you buy apps from your iPhone, iTunes should prompt you to transfer these apps to your iTunes. This is good, so then they will be in iTunes for any other synchs. My best regards to you all, Andrea M. Breier Spread the laughter Share the cheer Let's be happy While we're here! NET SECURITY: When forwarding email messages please consider your obligation to erase all names and email addresses. And send the message by using BCC (Blind Copy) and you will avoid spammers and viruses on the net. Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Deatherage" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2011 8:41 AM Subject: backing up downloaded files from the IPhone > Hello, > as stated in a previous message, I downloaded some files on my Iphone. I > thought it might be a good Idea t o save them on my Mac in Itunes. I was > told that if I plug the phone into the computer it will automically > transfer them to Itunes.and they will be deleted from my Iphone. If I > understood it correctly. then how do I get them back on the Iphone. I > have two radio programs and two albums stored in The Ipod program. > Thanks for your help in advance. > Bill Deatherage > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 15:19:39 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 09:19:39 -0600 Subject: FileMaker In-Reply-To: References: <45BFA139-C453-4DE0-8699-631FD7A223E3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <931AA14E-0F82-4707-812A-A34C9F34A9E6@gmail.com> Thanks! Assume, Bento is similar to Microsoft Office Access in functionality and has no issues importing/exporting .aacx Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2011, at 12:18 AM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" wrote: > Kevin > > Do you need the full blown server? If not, Bento works well. > > Lynne > > On 2 Mar 2011, at 05:37, Kevin Chao wrote: > > FileMaker seems to be well reviewed and respected as a database/server app on Mac OS X. > > I'm getting it. I'm wondering if anyone has experience with FileMaker and could provide pointers with > VoiceOver > > Thanks, > > Kevin > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Wed Mar 2 15:42:08 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 15:42:08 +0000 Subject: New Member Welcome Message-ID: <6DAD576A-2BB1-4008-AB02-D2BEDC98B28F@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Please do not reply to this thread on list unless your reply has a direct relevance to their Mac use or interest. It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome Linda Mumford to our number. We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but have a keen interest. We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope this clarifies the position. If you have any list-related queries, please do not hesitate to contact either Gordon and myself, (the list owners), at , or one of our very capable assistant list controllers; Anne Robertson, or James Austin, and we will be happy to help you. Once again, a very warm welcome to the group. We hope you find your membership an enjoyable experience. Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Mar 2 17:38:54 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 17:38:54 +0000 Subject: FileMaker In-Reply-To: <931AA14E-0F82-4707-812A-A34C9F34A9E6@gmail.com> References: <45BFA139-C453-4DE0-8699-631FD7A223E3@gmail.com> <931AA14E-0F82-4707-812A-A34C9F34A9E6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Kevin On 2 Mar 2011, at 15:19, Kevin Chao wrote: ? Thanks! Assume, Bento is similar to Microsoft Office Access in functionality and has no issues importing/exporting .aacx I did not say that at all. I never said anything about Microsoft Office. What I said was do you need the server functions because Benbto can handle your databases if not. I did *not* mention Microsoft. Lynne From e.zwicker at sympatico.ca Wed Mar 2 18:55:21 2011 From: e.zwicker at sympatico.ca (Earle) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 13:55:21 -0500 Subject: Focussing On Text Fields In WebKit Message-ID: I just recently purchased my MacBook Pro. I am an extremely advanced computer user, but the Mac world is still new to me. The transition to the Mac has been fairly straight forward. I do have a question though. Has anyone else had problems focussing on text fields using WebKit? I am using the latest nightly build and there are times when I can't get the keyboard cursor to focus on a field so that I can enter text. If I try to route the cursor to the vo cursor, nothing happens. I have to close WebKit and reload the page in order to fill out the form. This has happened on several different web sites. Has anyone else noticed this, or am I doing something wrong? I have cursor tracking on, and I have also turned on the press tab to highlight elements on web pages. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. ---------- Earle Twitter, Skype, Facebook, and Yahoo: rowdyamerican Msn: peterson_33 at sympatico.ca From gordon at mac-access.net Wed Mar 2 19:03:49 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 19:03:49 +0000 Subject: Focussing On Text Fields In WebKit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <802EC3BD-40D8-4EEB-AB59-3B855289FCFF@mac-access.net> There have been problems with the last few nightlies. It was suggested on list a while ago that people don't update for the time being until these problems are fixed. You might like to consider going back to the last stable release. Gordon On 2 Mar 2011, at 18:55, Earle wrote: I just recently purchased my MacBook Pro. I am an extremely advanced computer user, but the Mac world is still new to me. The transition to the Mac has been fairly straight forward. I do have a question though. Has anyone else had problems focussing on text fields using WebKit? I am using the latest nightly build and there are times when I can't get the keyboard cursor to focus on a field so that I can enter text. If I try to route the cursor to the vo cursor, nothing happens. I have to close WebKit and reload the page in order to fill out the form. This has happened on several different web sites. Has anyone else noticed this, or am I doing something wrong? I have cursor tracking on, and I have also turned on the press tab to highlight elements on web pages. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 19:08:18 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 11:08:18 -0800 Subject: Focussing On Text Fields In WebKit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98AB8160-1BDF-4AD2-BD87-4E875D65AABF@gmail.com> Yeah I have had these issues. I didn't report the bug yet as I thought it was just me and they just got done fixing a bug I did report. I reported the inability to focus on some buttons on youtube. but yes I do have this bug. Take care. On Mar 2, 2011, at 10:55 AM, Earle wrote: > I just recently purchased my MacBook Pro. I am an extremely advanced computer user, but the Mac world is still new to me. The transition to the Mac has been fairly straight forward. I do have a question though. Has anyone else had problems focussing on text fields using WebKit? I am using the latest nightly build and there are times when I can't get the keyboard cursor to focus on a field so that I can enter text. If I try to route the cursor to the vo cursor, nothing happens. I have to close WebKit and reload the page in order to fill out the form. This has happened on several different web sites. Has anyone else noticed this, or am I doing something wrong? I have cursor tracking on, and I have also turned on the press tab to highlight elements on web pages. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > ---------- > Earle > > Twitter, Skype, Facebook, and Yahoo: rowdyamerican > > Msn: peterson_33 at sympatico.ca > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 19:08:54 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 11:08:54 -0800 Subject: Focussing On Text Fields In WebKit In-Reply-To: <802EC3BD-40D8-4EEB-AB59-3B855289FCFF@mac-access.net> References: <802EC3BD-40D8-4EEB-AB59-3B855289FCFF@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I forgot how to get the last stable release. I have a time machine back up of I believe feb 17. will that do? On Mar 2, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > There have been problems with the last few nightlies. It was suggested on list a while ago that people don't update for the time being until these problems are fixed. You might like to consider going back to the last stable release. > > Gordon > > On 2 Mar 2011, at 18:55, Earle wrote: > > I just recently purchased my MacBook Pro. I am an extremely advanced computer user, but the Mac world is still new to me. The transition to the Mac has been fairly straight forward. I do have a question though. Has anyone else had problems focussing on text fields using WebKit? I am using the latest nightly build and there are times when I can't get the keyboard cursor to focus on a field so that I can enter text. If I try to route the cursor to the vo cursor, nothing happens. I have to close WebKit and reload the page in order to fill out the form. This has happened on several different web sites. Has anyone else noticed this, or am I doing something wrong? I have cursor tracking on, and I have also turned on the press tab to highlight elements on web pages. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Wed Mar 2 19:34:55 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 19:34:55 +0000 Subject: How to shrink the Time Machine disk? Message-ID: Hello, I have a 1000 GB external hard disk which I use for Time Machine and Super Duper! backups. These currently occupy about 800 GB of this disk. I need to partition the disk and to do that need to remove some of the older Time Machine backups so that I can create a 400 GB partition for other uses. How can I do that? I cannot find any options to manually delete Time Machine backups and am reluctant to erase the entire disk and then partition it and then start Time Machine from scratch as that would leave me unprotected if anything bad happened. Does Cocktail or Onyx offer any help to do this? Many thanks. Paul Hopewell From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 19:45:42 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 11:45:42 -0800 Subject: How to shrink the Time Machine disk? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3030CC0F-537E-4D09-A6E1-CAFA20B4EF39@gmail.com> Hello. try modifying one of the partitions then tm will hopefully remove older back ups. Just be sure you are ok with that. go in to disk utility and go to the main tm disk the one wiht the brand of disk then go to partitions tab and then click the unknown you want to modify with vo shift space and modify the size. Good luck. On Mar 2, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello, > I have a 1000 GB external hard disk which I use for Time Machine and Super Duper! backups. These currently occupy about 800 GB of this disk. I need to partition the disk and to do that need to remove some of the older Time Machine backups so that I can create a 400 GB partition for other uses. > > How can I do that? I cannot find any options to manually delete Time Machine backups and am reluctant to erase the entire disk and then partition it and then start Time Machine from scratch as that would leave me unprotected if anything bad happened. > > Does Cocktail or Onyx offer any help to do this? > > Many thanks. > > Paul Hopewell > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 19:59:32 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 11:59:32 -0800 Subject: iOS 4.3 to Launch on March 11th: HotSpot, Faster Safari, iTunes Home Sharing Message-ID: <34152533-B45A-4748-823D-20B2F4715283@gmail.com> What will the new update include? read on: http://bit.ly/eCc8wS From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Wed Mar 2 20:07:12 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 20:07:12 +0000 Subject: How to shrink the Time Machine disk? In-Reply-To: <3030CC0F-537E-4D09-A6E1-CAFA20B4EF39@gmail.com> References: <3030CC0F-537E-4D09-A6E1-CAFA20B4EF39@gmail.com> Message-ID: <19E28BA5-FA89-4AD4-BC3B-4D844028D3B0@hopewell.org.uk> Hello Sarah, Are you confident that using disk utility to add a new partition will shrink the Time Machine backups without discarding vital data? I don't want to do this and then discover that my Super Duper! backup no longer works. I am especially concerned as I understand that the Time Machine program relies on the oldest backup for the bulk of its data and from then on only adds changed files. When the Time Machine disk is full the Time Machine then moves files around so that it can delete the oldest backup. Do you think that changing the partition size in disk utility will cause Time Machine to properly move files around so that the backup integrity is preserved? Best wishes.... Paul Hopewell On 2 Mar 2011, at 19:45, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Hello. try modifying one of the partitions then tm will hopefully remove older back ups. Just be sure you are ok with that. go in to disk utility and go to the main tm disk the one wiht the brand of disk then go to partitions tab and then click the unknown you want to modify with vo shift space and modify the size. > > Good luck. > On Mar 2, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > >> Hello, >> I have a 1000 GB external hard disk which I use for Time Machine and Super Duper! backups. These currently occupy about 800 GB of this disk. I need to partition the disk and to do that need to remove some of the older Time Machine backups so that I can create a 400 GB partition for other uses. >> >> How can I do that? I cannot find any options to manually delete Time Machine backups and am reluctant to erase the entire disk and then partition it and then start Time Machine from scratch as that would leave me unprotected if anything bad happened. >> >> Does Cocktail or Onyx offer any help to do this? >> >> Many thanks. >> >> Paul Hopewell >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 20:25:56 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 12:25:56 -0800 Subject: How to shrink the Time Machine disk? In-Reply-To: <19E28BA5-FA89-4AD4-BC3B-4D844028D3B0@hopewell.org.uk> References: <3030CC0F-537E-4D09-A6E1-CAFA20B4EF39@gmail.com> <19E28BA5-FA89-4AD4-BC3B-4D844028D3B0@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <6619A6B8-CFCB-4500-BBE0-817A24C5AA93@gmail.com> Oh I didn't think about that. I'm new at this stuff myself so I'm still learning. Hmm I would not do anythign yet until someone more experienced can step in. On Mar 2, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello Sarah, > Are you confident that using disk utility to add a new partition will shrink the Time Machine backups without discarding vital data? I don't want to do this and then discover that my Super Duper! backup no longer works. I am especially concerned as I understand that the Time Machine program relies on the oldest backup for the bulk of its data and from then on only adds changed files. When the Time Machine disk is full the Time Machine then moves files around so that it can delete the oldest backup. Do you think that changing the partition size in disk utility will cause Time Machine to properly move files around so that the backup integrity is preserved? > Best wishes.... > > Paul Hopewell > On 2 Mar 2011, at 19:45, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Hello. try modifying one of the partitions then tm will hopefully remove older back ups. Just be sure you are ok with that. go in to disk utility and go to the main tm disk the one wiht the brand of disk then go to partitions tab and then click the unknown you want to modify with vo shift space and modify the size. >> >> Good luck. >> On Mar 2, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> I have a 1000 GB external hard disk which I use for Time Machine and Super Duper! backups. These currently occupy about 800 GB of this disk. I need to partition the disk and to do that need to remove some of the older Time Machine backups so that I can create a 400 GB partition for other uses. >>> >>> How can I do that? I cannot find any options to manually delete Time Machine backups and am reluctant to erase the entire disk and then partition it and then start Time Machine from scratch as that would leave me unprotected if anything bad happened. >>> >>> Does Cocktail or Onyx offer any help to do this? >>> >>> Many thanks. >>> >>> Paul Hopewell >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 2 23:01:40 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 15:01:40 -0800 Subject: mail is sometimes unmarking things as read Message-ID: This might be a gmail issue or something dunno but when I mark some items as read I'll come back only to find out that about 70 percent of them were marked as unread again. Um? what? Is this a gmail issue or a apple mail issue? Take care. From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Thu Mar 3 00:20:40 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 19:20:40 -0500 Subject: USB drive failure, Help Message-ID: <27D86847-7F7D-4033-82CE-9B0C20AA38DF@Mac-Access.net> Folks, the USB drive I use for my work data just malfunctioned and is not being recognized by either my mac or PC. I backed it up 2 weeks ago so will really be hurt if I can't get the data from it. any tips on how I might get it to mount long enough for a back up would be greatly appreciated. I don't know what happened. I plugged it in and it ejected itself. I tried again and the same thing happened. Now it is not recognized at all. This will really hurt me at work! Help is greatly appreciated. Eric From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Thu Mar 3 00:59:24 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 20:59:24 -0400 Subject: MacBook Pro ram upgrade. Message-ID: Hi Folks: Has anyone on this list upgraded their MacBook pro from 4GB to 8GB? If so, have you noticed any difference in performance or has it produced any problems? Thanks all over the place gang. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 01:03:39 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 17:03:39 -0800 Subject: USB drive failure, Help In-Reply-To: <27D86847-7F7D-4033-82CE-9B0C20AA38DF@Mac-Access.net> References: <27D86847-7F7D-4033-82CE-9B0C20AA38DF@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: Ouch! Well try putting it in the freezer and get all you can off it in 5 minute increments. good luck and do a repair on it if possible. On Mar 2, 2011, at 4:20 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > Folks, > > > the USB drive I use for my work data just malfunctioned and is not being recognized by either my mac or PC. I backed it up 2 weeks ago so will really be hurt if I can't get the data from it. any tips on how I might get it to mount long enough for a back up would be greatly appreciated. > > I don't know what happened. I plugged it in and it ejected itself. I tried again and the same thing happened. Now it is not recognized at all. This will really hurt me at work! > > > Help is greatly appreciated. > > Eric > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Thu Mar 3 02:24:03 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 21:24:03 -0500 Subject: USB drive failure, Help In-Reply-To: References: <27D86847-7F7D-4033-82CE-9B0C20AA38DF@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: Hi Sara and others, I was hoping more for directions on how I might get the drive to mount as it is not recognized any longer. Really, would puting it in the freezer r possibly make it appear? Never heard of that trick. I never had a USB flash drive die before. Still hoping for ideas. Eric On Mar 2, 2011, at 8:03 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Ouch! Well try putting it in the freezer and get all you can off it in 5 minute increments. > > good luck and do a repair on it if possible. > On Mar 2, 2011, at 4:20 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> >> the USB drive I use for my work data just malfunctioned and is not being recognized by either my mac or PC. I backed it up 2 weeks ago so will really be hurt if I can't get the data from it. any tips on how I might get it to mount long enough for a back up would be greatly appreciated. >> >> I don't know what happened. I plugged it in and it ejected itself. I tried again and the same thing happened. Now it is not recognized at all. This will really hurt me at work! >> >> >> Help is greatly appreciated. >> >> Eric >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 04:10:06 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 20:10:06 -0800 Subject: USB drive failure, Help In-Reply-To: References: <27D86847-7F7D-4033-82CE-9B0C20AA38DF@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <4C4E8C2B-E282-42F4-8F84-4C1AEC8CF247@gmail.com> OH it's a flash drive? I was talking about ahard drive. Each flash drive has a limited number of reads and writes. I sure hope it didn't fail on you. Does it have a right protect switch? if so maybe flip it and see if it works. On Mar 2, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > Hi Sara and others, > I was hoping more for directions on how I might get the drive to mount as it is not recognized any longer. > > Really, would puting it in the freezer r possibly make it appear? Never heard of that trick. I never had a USB flash drive die before. > > Still hoping for ideas. > > Eric > > On Mar 2, 2011, at 8:03 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Ouch! Well try putting it in the freezer and get all you can off it in 5 minute increments. >> >> good luck and do a repair on it if possible. >> On Mar 2, 2011, at 4:20 PM, Eric Caron wrote: >> >>> Folks, >>> >>> >>> the USB drive I use for my work data just malfunctioned and is not being recognized by either my mac or PC. I backed it up 2 weeks ago so will really be hurt if I can't get the data from it. any tips on how I might get it to mount long enough for a back up would be greatly appreciated. >>> >>> I don't know what happened. I plugged it in and it ejected itself. I tried again and the same thing happened. Now it is not recognized at all. This will really hurt me at work! >>> >>> >>> Help is greatly appreciated. >>> >>> Eric >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Thu Mar 3 05:25:12 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 23:25:12 -0600 Subject: MacBook Pro ram upgrade. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ram almost always makes a difference. Going from 4 to 8 may not make a big difference, but if nothing else, you'll be able to have more programs open w/o swapping to disk, which will definitely make the machine run better. I just upgraded my intel 1.5GHZ core solo minimac from 512MB to 1GB, and it made a huge difference. Unfortunately, in the process, I broke the audio cable, and we don't have small enough tweezers to put the airport cable back on, but otherwise, it works like a champ. So, either I get a usb speaker system, (temporarily) or just purchase a new interconnect board, and replace that too. And, perhaps another wireless attenna, since there's actually two of the plugs for them inside the machine. I was really hesitant to do the upgrade, after reading the tear down instructions, but we went ahead and did it anyhow, and although I broke the sound (actually a result of my 9-year-old son getting his grubby little hands on it when I wasn't paying attention) I'm still glad I did, because it showed me the inside of the minis really isn't all that scary, and I'm now ready to tackle any new upgrades that come along. :) From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Mar 3 09:43:23 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:43:23 -0000 Subject: MacBook Pro ram upgrade. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000f01cbd987$739e5600$5adb0200$@dcu.ie> Hi, I've done an MBP upgrade and it's no problem. I bought mine last year, and all I had to do was remove a few screws from the bottom (from memory there are 8 but I'm not at this machine right now). The memory just slotted out, and I inserted the new DIMs. Hth -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel Sent: 03 March 2011 05:25 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: MacBook Pro ram upgrade. Ram almost always makes a difference. Going from 4 to 8 may not make a big difference, but if nothing else, you'll be able to have more programs open w/o swapping to disk, which will definitely make the machine run better. I just upgraded my intel 1.5GHZ core solo minimac from 512MB to 1GB, and it made a huge difference. Unfortunately, in the process, I broke the audio cable, and we don't have small enough tweezers to put the airport cable back on, but otherwise, it works like a champ. So, either I get a usb speaker system, (temporarily) or just purchase a new interconnect board, and replace that too. And, perhaps another wireless attenna, since there's actually two of the plugs for them inside the machine. I was really hesitant to do the upgrade, after reading the tear down instructions, but we went ahead and did it anyhow, and although I broke the sound (actually a result of my 9-year-old son getting his grubby little hands on it when I wasn't paying attention) I'm still glad I did, because it showed me the inside of the minis really isn't all that scary, and I'm now ready to tackle any new upgrades that come along. :) _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Mar 3 09:44:12 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:44:12 -0000 Subject: MacBook Pro ram upgrade. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001201cbd987$905bd1a0$b11374e0$@dcu.ie> Sorry I forgot to add, yes I've noticed a difference. VO doesn't crash as often for one thing. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Jim Noseworthy Sent: 03 March 2011 00:59 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: MacBook Pro ram upgrade. Hi Folks: Has anyone on this list upgraded their MacBook pro from 4GB to 8GB? If so, have you noticed any difference in performance or has it produced any problems? Thanks all over the place gang. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From krbarry at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 11:43:11 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 06:43:11 -0500 Subject: MacBook Pro ram upgrade. In-Reply-To: <001201cbd987$905bd1a0$b11374e0$@dcu.ie> References: <001201cbd987$905bd1a0$b11374e0$@dcu.ie> Message-ID: <4d6f7ecc.a04de50a.439f.23f3@mx.google.com> I cannot comment as to whether or not it makes a difference as I just got my MBP and have no basis for comparison. However, if you have an SSD you would be well advised to upgrade as it would reduce the amount of writes to the drive which would prolong its life. Kevin At 04:44 AM 3/3/2011, you wrote: >Sorry I forgot to add, yes I've noticed a difference. VO doesn't crash as >often for one thing. > >-----Original Message----- >From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >[mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Jim Noseworthy >Sent: 03 March 2011 00:59 >To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >Subject: MacBook Pro ram upgrade. > >Hi Folks: > >Has anyone on this list upgraded their MacBook pro from 4GB to 8GB? If so, >have you noticed any difference in performance or has it produced any >problems? > >Thanks all over the place gang. > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >database 4628 (20091122) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >the list website at: > > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From billd at insightbb.com Thu Mar 3 12:35:43 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 07:35:43 -0500 Subject: podcast on using ITunes Message-ID: Hello, does anyone on the list know of where I might find some podcast on using Itunes? i am able to use I tunes on the Iphone but when it comes to the Mac that is a different story. Thanks to everyone on the list for your help. Bill Deatherage From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Thu Mar 3 12:47:11 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 08:47:11 -0400 Subject: MacBook Pro ram upgrade. References: <001201cbd987$905bd1a0$b11374e0$@dcu.ie> <4d6f7ecc.a04de50a.439f.23f3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4EE2CA046CA444A6AB8F5FB62A82B491@CNIBnotebook> Kevin: I'm not sure just what you mean: how does a ram upgrade reduce the amount of writes to a ssd drive? Thanks all over the place. -- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Barry" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 7:43 AM Subject: RE: MacBook Pro ram upgrade. >I cannot comment as to whether or not it makes a difference as I just got >my MBP and have no basis for comparison. > However, if you have an SSD you would be well advised to upgrade as it > would reduce the amount of writes to the drive which would prolong its > life. > Kevin > > At 04:44 AM 3/3/2011, you wrote: >>Sorry I forgot to add, yes I've noticed a difference. VO doesn't crash as >>often for one thing. >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >>[mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Jim Noseworthy >>Sent: 03 March 2011 00:59 >>To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>Subject: MacBook Pro ram upgrade. >> >>Hi Folks: >> >>Has anyone on this list upgraded their MacBook pro from 4GB to 8GB? If >>so, >>have you noticed any difference in performance or has it produced any >>problems? >> >>Thanks all over the place gang. >> >> >> >>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>signature >>database 4628 (20091122) __________ >> >>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >>http://www.eset.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>To reply to this post, please address your message to >>mac-access at mac-access.net >> >>You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >>The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>and worm-free! >> >>Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>the list website at: >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>To reply to this post, please address your message to >>mac-access at mac-access.net >> >>You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >>The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>and worm-free! >> >>Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Mar 3 12:54:03 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 12:54:03 +0000 Subject: Moving a mailbox Message-ID: Hello all is it possible to move an IMAP mailbox on to your local computer? I have a rule set for a box but it's stored on the server. IMAP is a great protocol I must say. Lynne From tsiegel at softcon.com Thu Mar 3 13:03:24 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 07:03:24 -0600 Subject: MacBook Pro ram upgrade. In-Reply-To: <4EE2CA046CA444A6AB8F5FB62A82B491@CNIBnotebook> References: <001201cbd987$905bd1a0$b11374e0$@dcu.ie> <4d6f7ecc.a04de50a.439f.23f3@mx.google.com> <4EE2CA046CA444A6AB8F5FB62A82B491@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <5AC55C0D-AB88-4481-A35B-34747AEB78AE@softcon.com> On Mar 3, 2011, at 6:47 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Kevin: > > I'm not sure just what you mean: how does a ram upgrade reduce the > amount of writes to a ssd drive? This goes back to what I was saying about swapping. The more memory you have, the less the os needs to write to the drive to save the status of programs when you switch to another application, and the background tasks get suspended, or swapped out of memory to make room for the foreground tasks. Everytime this is done, if there isn't sufficient memory, then disk space is used as virtual memory, which causes writes to the hd. Since ssd drives only have a limited number of writes before they're no longer able to write anymore, this will make a huge difference in how long your ssd drive lasts. Just for informational purposes, every kind of media, whether it's magnetic, ssd, flash, or something else, all drives only have a finite number of write cycles before the media becomes unable to handle another write cycle. This of course is different depending on media type and write format. The measure of drives is in Mean Time Before Failure (mtbf) which is the average time it takes before the drive fails. With most magnetic drives such as are in most machines, this is 5000 hours or more, (it's actually been increasing over the past several years) On the other hand, flash and ssd drives can only handle a few million writes before they're useless, and on an os that swaps to disk a lot, this really doesn't add up to very much operational time, only a couple years or so, which really is pretty sad when you think about it, os makers really should be working on methods of limiting hd writes, but to my knowledge, nobody is doing so, especially that one from Washington which is forbidden on this list. :) But, to bring this all back full circle, the short version of this message is that the more memory you have, the less your machine needs to write to the disk, and therefore, the longer your hd will last. (of course, writing to the hd is only one way it gets worn down, but with ssd drives, your electronics aren't likely to fail before the write cycles run out) From tsiegel at softcon.com Thu Mar 3 13:10:27 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 07:10:27 -0600 Subject: Moving a mailbox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: By it's very nature, imap isn't really meant to be used for duplicating content, so what you're asking is a bit difficult. It can be done, but you need to grab *all* your imap mail boxes, then go back and reset your preferences to undo the work. :) (assuming you don't actually want the rest of them) You'll need to set the mail program to make sure it downloads *all* messages, and not to leave things on the server after they've been read, but to leave local copies alone. I have mine setup this way, but it doesn't always work all that well. Pine (the unix client) works a whole lot better in this regard than mail does, but if you can get your preferences configured properly, then it works like a treat. On the other hand, if you have physical access to the machine, you can always just copy the mailbox file down to your local machine. Where they are on the server and where they go on the local machine varies with os release and server used, but generally (on osx at least) you'll find your imap mailboxes in ~/library/mail//imap where account is the name osx gives (or you) gave that particular account in the mail program. From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Thu Mar 3 13:24:11 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 09:24:11 -0400 Subject: MacBook Pro ram upgrade. References: <001201cbd987$905bd1a0$b11374e0$@dcu.ie> <4d6f7ecc.a04de50a.439f.23f3@mx.google.com> <4EE2CA046CA444A6AB8F5FB62A82B491@CNIBnotebook> <5AC55C0D-AB88-4481-A35B-34747AEB78AE@softcon.com> Message-ID: <3ED7A5B7B92F4E278BA53DFE01B298D0@CNIBnotebook> Hey Travis: Thanks all over the place. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 9:03 AM Subject: Re: MacBook Pro ram upgrade. > > On Mar 3, 2011, at 6:47 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > >> Kevin: >> >> I'm not sure just what you mean: how does a ram upgrade reduce the >> amount of writes to a ssd drive? > > > This goes back to what I was saying about swapping. The more memory you > have, the less the os needs to write to the drive to save the status of > programs when you switch to another application, and the background tasks > get suspended, or swapped out of memory to make room for the foreground > tasks. Everytime this is done, if there isn't sufficient memory, then > disk space is used as virtual memory, which causes writes to the hd. > Since ssd drives only have a limited number of writes before they're no > longer able to write anymore, this will make a huge difference in how > long your ssd drive lasts. > Just for informational purposes, every kind of media, whether it's > magnetic, ssd, flash, or something else, all drives only have a finite > number of write cycles before the media becomes unable to handle another > write cycle. This of course is different depending on media type and > write format. The measure of drives is in Mean Time Before Failure > (mtbf) which is the average time it takes before the drive fails. With > most magnetic drives such as are in most machines, this is 5000 hours or > more, (it's actually been increasing over the past several years) On the > other hand, flash and ssd drives can only handle a few million writes > before they're useless, and on an os that swaps to disk a lot, this > really doesn't add up to very much operational time, only a couple years > or so, which really is pretty sad when you think about it, os makers > really should be working on methods of limiting hd writes, but to my > knowledge, nobody is doing so, especially that one from Washington which > is forbidden on this list. :) > But, to bring this all back full circle, the short version of this > message is that the more memory you have, the less your machine needs to > write to the disk, and therefore, the longer your hd will last. > (of course, writing to the hd is only one way it gets worn down, but with > ssd drives, your electronics aren't likely to fail before the write > cycles run out) > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Mar 3 14:25:16 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 14:25:16 +0000 Subject: Moving a mailbox In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <22EEF660-6AA0-4837-90F2-855BA33BD610@mac-access.net> Hello Travis Thank you for the info. I think it's going to be much simpler to just make a named mailbox on the Mac and move the contents of the box whose mail I want to store into it. Thanks for the advice. Lynne On 3 Mar 2011, at 13:10, Travis Siegel wrote: By it's very nature, imap isn't really meant to be used for duplicating content, so what you're asking is a bit difficult. It can be done, but you need to grab *all* your imap mail boxes, then go back and reset your preferences to undo the work. :) (assuming you don't actually want the rest of them) You'll need to set the mail program to make sure it downloads *all* messages, and not to leave things on the server after they've been read, but to leave local copies alone. I have mine setup this way, but it doesn't always work all that well. Pine (the unix client) works a whole lot better in this regard than mail does, but if you can get your preferences configured properly, then it works like a treat. On the other hand, if you have physical access to the machine, you can always just copy the mailbox file down to your local machine. Where they are on the server and where they go on the local machine varies with os release and server used, but generally (on osx at least) you'll find your imap mailboxes in ~/library/mail//imap where account is the name osx gives (or you) gave that particular account in the mail program. From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 15:18:22 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 07:18:22 -0800 Subject: podcast on using ITunes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello. See http://marrie.podbean.com. I put together a set of podcasts on itunes. it is barried on the list but I might put togather a quick one sson called changed in itunes what ever this version is *smile* On Mar 3, 2011, at 4:35 AM, William Deatherage wrote: > Hello, > does anyone on the list know of where I might find some podcast on using Itunes? i am able to use I tunes on the Iphone but when it comes to the Mac that is a different story. > Thanks to everyone on the list for your help. > Bill Deatherage > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From opensesame at me.com Thu Mar 3 15:31:22 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 10:31:22 -0500 Subject: USB drive failure, Help In-Reply-To: References: <27D86847-7F7D-4033-82CE-9B0C20AA38DF@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <4A7A67CF-89D3-46D6-8593-D72D418949CA@me.com> Hi Eric, Can you give us some more information regarding your situation? 1. Have you rebooted the computers on which you're attempting to mount this drive? 2. What is the make, model and size of your USB Flash drive? 3. What file system is the flash drive formatted with? 4. What are the makes, models, specs and exact operating system versions of the computers you're trying to mount this on? 5. Are you plugging the drive into a USB port built into the computer, or are you plugging it into a USB hub of some sort? 6. Do you receive any messages from the computer when you plug the drive in? If yes, what is the exact wording of those messages? 7. Has anything changed on your mac or pc in the last two weeks that might possibly interfere with USB functionality? Thanks, Bryan On Mar 2, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > I was hoping more for directions on how I might get the drive to mount as it is not recognized any longer. From moopiecurran at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 20:10:04 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 15:10:04 -0500 Subject: Help, my voice memos won't sync Message-ID: <50F5E113-6FD7-458A-B664-02051DDBD5F7@gmail.com> Hi, I can't get my voice memos to sync from my 4th generation Ipod touch to my macbook. Even though under the music tab of my Ipod, the checkbox is checked, it still doesn't work. The ones I need to sync are too long to email, so that's not a plausible option. Does anyone have any other suggestions as to how I can "force" the voice memos to sync? Courtney From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Thu Mar 3 20:20:59 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 16:20:59 -0400 Subject: Screw Driver set for installing ram in a 15 inch MacBook pro. Message-ID: Hi Folks: What screw driver types are required for removing the back from a 15 inch MacBook unibody Pro? I am going to upgrade the ram in this animal. Thanks. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Thu Mar 3 20:34:58 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 16:34:58 -0400 Subject: Screw Driver set for installing ram in a 15 inch MacBook pro. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <150DE8F98CD745FDA51C670C3F064F88@MainComputer> Hi Again: Please disregard the question since I've found the answer. Thanks all over the place. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Noseworthy" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 4:20 PM Subject: Screw Driver set for installing ram in a 15 inch MacBook pro. > Hi Folks: > > What screw driver types are required for removing the back from a 15 inch > MacBook unibody Pro? I am going to upgrade the ram in this animal. > > Thanks. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Thu Mar 3 21:43:09 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 16:43:09 -0500 Subject: USB drive failure, Help In-Reply-To: <4A7A67CF-89D3-46D6-8593-D72D418949CA@me.com> References: <27D86847-7F7D-4033-82CE-9B0C20AA38DF@Mac-Access.net> <4A7A67CF-89D3-46D6-8593-D72D418949CA@me.com> Message-ID: I'll answer as many of these questions as I can below. I'll put the answers after the questions. On Mar 3, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hi Eric, > > Can you give us some more information regarding your situation? > 1. Have you rebooted the computers on which you're attempting to mount this drive? Yes, didn't help > 2. What is the make, model and size of your USB Flash drive? Not sure, Can't remember and can't read it now. I think t was a 8 G but might have been 16. I got it over the webb. It was unusual in that it could go into the computer more then one way. That is it didn't only fit in the correct way. so often I had to reverse it. It was very small and simplistic. It simply had the part that goes into the computer and on the other end was a small connector that allowed a metal shield to cover the drive. It was very very small. > 3. What file system is the flash drive formatted with? FAT > Mac book 2009 with snow Leopard 4 year old PC with XP Pro 2 year old lap top PC also with XP Pro > 5. Are you plugging the drive into a USB port built into the computer, or are you plugging it into a USB hub of some sort? Tried doing both. no change Only time anything happens is sometimes on the PC it says something like This USB device has malfunctioned Other times it says found new hardware then there has been a error and your device may not operate correctly. It then never shows up and no PC USB happy sound occurs. > 6. Do you receive any messages from the computer when you plug the drive in? If yes, what is the exact wording of those messages? see above, But most often I hear nothing. > 7. Has anything changed on your mac or pc in the last two weeks that might possibly interfere with USB functionality? No. > > Thanks, > Bryan > Thanks for any suggestions. Eric > On Mar 2, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Eric Caron wrote: >> I was hoping more for directions on how I might get the drive to mount as it is not recognized any longer. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 3 21:48:55 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 13:48:55 -0800 Subject: USB drive failure, Help In-Reply-To: References: <27D86847-7F7D-4033-82CE-9B0C20AA38DF@Mac-Access.net> <4A7A67CF-89D3-46D6-8593-D72D418949CA@me.com> Message-ID: another question I forgot to ask as well. how old is the drive? Remember that there is not an infinate number of read right cycles on a flash drive. Take care. On Mar 3, 2011, at 1:43 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > > I'll answer as many of these questions as I can below. I'll put the answers after the questions. > > On Mar 3, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: > >> Hi Eric, >> >> Can you give us some more information regarding your situation? > >> 1. Have you rebooted the computers on which you're attempting to mount this drive? > Yes, didn't help > >> 2. What is the make, model and size of your USB Flash drive? > Not sure, Can't remember and can't read it now. I think t was a 8 G but might have been 16. I got it over the webb. It was unusual in that it could go into the computer more then one way. That is it didn't only fit in the correct way. so often I had to reverse it. It was very small and simplistic. It simply had the part that goes into the computer and on the other end was a small connector that allowed a metal shield to cover the drive. It was very very small. > > >> 3. What file system is the flash drive formatted with? > FAT > >> > Mac book 2009 with snow Leopard > 4 year old PC with XP Pro > 2 year old lap top PC also with XP Pro > > >> 5. Are you plugging the drive into a USB port built into the computer, or are you plugging it into a USB hub of some sort? > Tried doing both. no change > > Only time anything happens is sometimes on the PC it says something like This USB device has malfunctioned > > Other times it says found new hardware then there has been a error and your device may not operate correctly. It then never shows up and no PC USB happy sound occurs. > >> 6. Do you receive any messages from the computer when you plug the drive in? If yes, what is the exact wording of those messages? > see above, But most often I hear nothing. > >> 7. Has anything changed on your mac or pc in the last two weeks that might possibly interfere with USB functionality? > No. > >> >> Thanks, >> Bryan >> > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > Eric >> On Mar 2, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Eric Caron wrote: >>> I was hoping more for directions on how I might get the drive to mount as it is not recognized any longer. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Thu Mar 3 22:01:55 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 22:01:55 +0000 Subject: New Member Welcome Message-ID: Hello everybody Please do not reply to this thread on list unless your reply has a direct relevance to their Mac use or interest. 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Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From krbarry at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 00:12:40 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2011 19:12:40 -0500 Subject: MacBook Pro ram upgrade. In-Reply-To: <4EE2CA046CA444A6AB8F5FB62A82B491@CNIBnotebook> References: <001201cbd987$905bd1a0$b11374e0$@dcu.ie> <4d6f7ecc.a04de50a.439f.23f3@mx.google.com> <4EE2CA046CA444A6AB8F5FB62A82B491@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <4d702e75.8782e50a.3ced.44d8@mx.google.com> Generally, with more memory an OS will buffer more data in memory and be required to write it to disk less often. At 07:47 AM 3/3/2011, you wrote: >Kevin: > >I'm not sure just what you mean: how does a ram upgrade reduce the >amount of writes to a ssd drive? > >Thanks all over the place. > > > >-- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Barry" >To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2011 7:43 AM >Subject: RE: MacBook Pro ram upgrade. > > >>I cannot comment as to whether or not it makes a difference as I >>just got my MBP and have no basis for comparison. >>However, if you have an SSD you would be well advised to upgrade as >>it would reduce the amount of writes to the drive which would prolong its life. >>Kevin >> >>At 04:44 AM 3/3/2011, you wrote: >>>Sorry I forgot to add, yes I've noticed a difference. VO doesn't crash as >>>often for one thing. >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >>>[mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Jim Noseworthy >>>Sent: 03 March 2011 00:59 >>>To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>>Subject: MacBook Pro ram upgrade. >>> >>>Hi Folks: >>> >>>Has anyone on this list upgraded their MacBook pro from 4GB to 8GB? If so, >>>have you noticed any difference in performance or has it produced any >>>problems? >>> >>>Thanks all over the place gang. >>> >>> >>> >>>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature >>>database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>> >>>The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>>http://www.eset.com >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>>To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>>You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>>Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>>The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>and worm-free! >>> >>>Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>the list website at: >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>>To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>>You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >>>posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>>The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, >>>Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>>Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>visiting the list website at: >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>To reply to this post, please address your message to >>mac-access at mac-access.net >> >>You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >>posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >>The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>virus and worm-free! >> >>Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>visiting the list website at: >> > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From moopiecurran at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 04:01:39 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 23:01:39 -0500 Subject: Found a way around the Sling Player Mobile inaccessibility, sort of Message-ID: Hi everybody, I found a way around the inaccessibility of the Sling player mobile app for the Ipod touch and Iphone. What I did was I first pressed the "Favorite button on the Sling player application on my mac. Then, I quit the app on my mac, and opened the Sling Player mobile app on my Ipod touch, it then brought up a menu telling me to edit my favorites, it gives a list of the channels you have on your cable system, there's a select button next to each of the buttons. Double tap the select button next to the channel you'd like to add to your favorites. Once you've selected all of your favorites, double tap the place where voiceover says "Done". it will bring you back to the main menu of the favorites, where you can reorder them. Then, double tap done on that screen. In the sling player mobile settings, make sure you have the left-right scroll through favorites gesture on. To actually go through your favorite channels, you will have to turn off VO, and just swipe left to go back, and right to go forward through your favorites, it turns the channel automatically, just like a remote. I hope this is helpful to someone, and sorry for the length. Courtney From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Mar 4 04:14:31 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 04:14:31 +0000 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] Message-ID: Wel chaps and chap-esses, I wasn't interested in this before. But I figure it might be another useful resorse; so we now have a slop box account, as a lot of people cal it, removing the disallowed expletives. :) OK, what do I need to know about setting up the ac application for this thing? Is it accessible? Gordon From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 04:18:47 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 20:18:47 -0800 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> Yes. just run the app from with in the dmg and follow the prompts. I would choose the typical install which is selected by default and follow the prompts from here. Have it leave your dropbox folder in the !home directory. Oops I typed the path wrong but hopefully you know what I mean. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Wel chaps and chap-esses, I wasn't interested in this before. But I figure it might be another useful resorse; so we now have a slop box account, as a lot of people cal it, removing the disallowed expletives. :) > > OK, what do I need to know about setting up the ac application for this thing? Is it accessible? > > Gordon > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From nick.vanvlaenderen at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 04:21:12 2011 From: nick.vanvlaenderen at gmail.com (Nick Van Vlaenderen) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 05:21:12 +0100 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> Message-ID: <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> As far as I know, the newest version of Dropbox isn't accessible - or at least the installation isn't. You don't really need to access it afterwards, just copy and remove stuff from your folder.. Best, Nick On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:18, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Yes. just run the app from with in the dmg and follow the prompts. I would choose the typical install which is selected by default and follow the prompts from here. Have it leave your dropbox folder in the !home directory. Oops I typed the path wrong but hopefully you know what I mean. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Wel chaps and chap-esses, I wasn't interested in this before. But I figure it might be another useful resorse; so we now have a slop box account, as a lot of people cal it, removing the disallowed expletives. :) >> >> OK, what do I need to know about setting up the ac application for this thing? Is it accessible? >> >> Gordon >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Mar 4 04:29:34 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 04:29:34 +0000 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> Message-ID: <15BB7D96-0FD1-4A0D-9FC1-54B8E1D83568@mac-access.net> Hi Sarah Thanks, that's fine. I'd heard it was not fully accessible. But my employer for some reason wanted a slop box account so well, it's in our name, but there it is. On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:18, Sarah Alawami wrote: Yes. just run the app from with in the dmg and follow the prompts. I would choose the typical install which is selected by default and follow the prompts from here. Have it leave your dropbox folder in the !home directory. Oops I typed the path wrong but hopefully you know what I mean. From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Mar 4 04:32:51 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 04:32:51 +0000 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> Hi Nick, and welcome to the group, sir. That's what I'd heard, yes. I was told that the latest slop box installation wasn't accessible. OK, well, if it isn't accessible, how do you set it up? Do you need eyes? If so I'll have to wait till she wakes up. It's more than my life's worth to disturb her! Gordon On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:21, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: As far as I know, the newest version of Dropbox isn't accessible - or at least the installation isn't. You don't really need to access it afterwards, just copy and remove stuff from your folder.. Best, Nick On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:18, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Yes. just run the app from with in the dmg and follow the prompts. I would choose the typical install which is selected by default and follow the prompts from here. Have it leave your dropbox folder in the !home directory. Oops I typed the path wrong but hopefully you know what I mean. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Wel chaps and chap-esses, I wasn't interested in this before. But I figure it might be another useful resorse; so we now have a slop box account, as a lot of people cal it, removing the disallowed expletives. :) >> >> OK, what do I need to know about setting up the ac application for this thing? Is it accessible? >> >> Gordon >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From nick.vanvlaenderen at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 04:36:55 2011 From: nick.vanvlaenderen at gmail.com (Nick Van Vlaenderen) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 05:36:55 +0100 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> Hey Gordon, Thank you. When I set it up I could do it without eyes but I don't think you can now - doesn't hurt to give it a go. Back when I installed it there were 2 unknown sections on the screen but you could interact with them and select the options you wanted. Since it was already installed I only had to do an upgrade last time. Nick On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:32, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Nick, and welcome to the group, sir. That's what I'd heard, yes. I was told that the latest slop box installation wasn't accessible. OK, well, if it isn't accessible, how do you set it up? Do you need eyes? If so I'll have to wait till she wakes up. It's more than my life's worth to disturb her! > > Gordon > > On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:21, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: > > As far as I know, the newest version of Dropbox isn't accessible - or at least the installation isn't. You don't really need to access it afterwards, just copy and remove stuff from your folder.. > > Best, > > Nick > On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:18, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Yes. just run the app from with in the dmg and follow the prompts. I would choose the typical install which is selected by default and follow the prompts from here. Have it leave your dropbox folder in the !home directory. Oops I typed the path wrong but hopefully you know what I mean. >> >> Take care. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Wel chaps and chap-esses, I wasn't interested in this before. But I figure it might be another useful resorse; so we now have a slop box account, as a lot of people cal it, removing the disallowed expletives. :) >>> >>> OK, what do I need to know about setting up the ac application for this thing? Is it accessible? >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Mar 4 04:44:25 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 04:44:25 +0000 Subject: ISO Images Message-ID: Anybody know of any way to quickly create a .iso disk image in OSX? No, sorry, a dmg file won't do the trick this time unfortunately it has to be iso. Gordon From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Mar 4 04:48:11 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 04:48:11 +0000 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Nick OK, I'll give it a spin. Just thought I'd ask first. Thanks much. On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:36, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: Hey Gordon, Thank you. When I set it up I could do it without eyes but I don't think you can now - doesn't hurt to give it a go. Back when I installed it there were 2 unknown sections on the screen but you could interact with them and select the options you wanted. Since it was already installed I only had to do an upgrade last time. Nick On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:32, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Nick, and welcome to the group, sir. That's what I'd heard, yes. I was told that the latest slop box installation wasn't accessible. OK, well, if it isn't accessible, how do you set it up? Do you need eyes? If so I'll have to wait till she wakes up. It's more than my life's worth to disturb her! > > Gordon > > On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:21, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: > > As far as I know, the newest version of Dropbox isn't accessible - or at least the installation isn't. You don't really need to access it afterwards, just copy and remove stuff from your folder.. > > Best, > > Nick > On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:18, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Yes. just run the app from with in the dmg and follow the prompts. I would choose the typical install which is selected by default and follow the prompts from here. Have it leave your dropbox folder in the !home directory. Oops I typed the path wrong but hopefully you know what I mean. >> >> Take care. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Wel chaps and chap-esses, I wasn't interested in this before. But I figure it might be another useful resorse; so we now have a slop box account, as a lot of people cal it, removing the disallowed expletives. :) >>> >>> OK, what do I need to know about setting up the ac application for this thing? Is it accessible? >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From nick.vanvlaenderen at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 04:48:32 2011 From: nick.vanvlaenderen at gmail.com (Nick Van Vlaenderen) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 05:48:32 +0100 Subject: ISO Images In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm sure you can do it with Disc utility. Don't know how advanced that is so depends on what exactly you want to do. Nick On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:44, Gordon Smith wrote: > Anybody know of any way to quickly create a .iso disk image in OSX? No, sorry, a dmg file won't do the trick this time unfortunately it has to be iso. > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Mar 4 05:27:50 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 05:27:50 +0000 Subject: ISO Images In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <28A56E17-7CBC-4ADC-B37A-EF7CC748BE94@mac-access.net> Hi Nick I need to create an ISO that's readable by somebody who is unfortunate enough to own a PC. It really is as simple as that. Gordon On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:48, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: I'm sure you can do it with Disc utility. Don't know how advanced that is so depends on what exactly you want to do. Nick On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:44, Gordon Smith wrote: > Anybody know of any way to quickly create a .iso disk image in OSX? No, sorry, a dmg file won't do the trick this time unfortunately it has to be iso. > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From nick.vanvlaenderen at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 05:38:52 2011 From: nick.vanvlaenderen at gmail.com (Nick Van Vlaenderen) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 06:38:52 +0100 Subject: ISO Images In-Reply-To: <28A56E17-7CBC-4ADC-B37A-EF7CC748BE94@mac-access.net> References: <28A56E17-7CBC-4ADC-B37A-EF7CC748BE94@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <35476827-0C87-4D52-A405-88DB482036F9@gmail.com> Hi Gordon, If you create a .dmg or .img file you should be able to load that in to disc utility (located in applications/utilities) and convert that to a dvd/cd master. Disc utility will for some reason create a .cdr file which you can rename to .iso, that should work for the unfortunate Windows user... Nick On 4 Mar 2011, at 06:27, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Nick > > I need to create an ISO that's readable by somebody who is unfortunate enough to own a PC. > > It really is as simple as that. > > Gordon > > On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:48, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: > > I'm sure you can do it with Disc utility. Don't know how advanced that is so depends on what exactly you want to do. > > Nick > On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:44, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Anybody know of any way to quickly create a .iso disk image in OSX? No, sorry, a dmg file won't do the trick this time unfortunately it has to be iso. >> >> Gordon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 05:55:48 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 21:55:48 -0800 Subject: ISO Images In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello. see this temporary link. It will be on my podcast on the 20th of this month but here ya go. I just did it. lol! http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1672188/creating_iso_images_on_mac_os10.mp3 On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Anybody know of any way to quickly create a .iso disk image in OSX? No, sorry, a dmg file won't do the trick this time unfortunately it has to be iso. > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 05:57:43 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 21:57:43 -0800 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <15BB7D96-0FD1-4A0D-9FC1-54B8E1D83568@mac-access.net> References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <15BB7D96-0FD1-4A0D-9FC1-54B8E1D83568@mac-access.net> Message-ID: the install is sort of but you cannot change any prefs afterward so good luck. We have written the dropbox team time an time for the past year or so and they said they are working on it and it will be better in the next release. the next release came and they took a step backward. We told them about this release and they said we are aware of it. that's it. Good luck and hope you get itn installed. On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Sarah > > Thanks, that's fine. I'd heard it was not fully accessible. But my employer for some reason wanted a slop box account so well, it's in our name, but there it is. > > On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:18, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Yes. just run the app from with in the dmg and follow the prompts. I would choose the typical install which is selected by default and follow the prompts from here. Have it leave your dropbox folder in the !home directory. Oops I typed the path wrong but hopefully you know what I mean. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 05:58:19 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 21:58:19 -0800 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah Just run the dmg. from there you shoudl be fine. I think that some of the buttons are labeled now but can't remember off the top of my tired brain. On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:36 PM, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: > Hey Gordon, > > Thank you. When I set it up I could do it without eyes but I don't think you can now - doesn't hurt to give it a go. Back when I installed it there were 2 unknown sections on the screen but you could interact with them and select the options you wanted. Since it was already installed I only had to do an upgrade last time. > > Nick > > > On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:32, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Nick, and welcome to the group, sir. That's what I'd heard, yes. I was told that the latest slop box installation wasn't accessible. OK, well, if it isn't accessible, how do you set it up? Do you need eyes? If so I'll have to wait till she wakes up. It's more than my life's worth to disturb her! >> >> Gordon >> >> On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:21, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: >> >> As far as I know, the newest version of Dropbox isn't accessible - or at least the installation isn't. You don't really need to access it afterwards, just copy and remove stuff from your folder.. >> >> Best, >> >> Nick >> On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:18, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> Yes. just run the app from with in the dmg and follow the prompts. I would choose the typical install which is selected by default and follow the prompts from here. Have it leave your dropbox folder in the !home directory. Oops I typed the path wrong but hopefully you know what I mean. >>> >>> Take care. >>> Sarah Alawami >>> >>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>> >>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>> >>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>> >>> On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Wel chaps and chap-esses, I wasn't interested in this before. But I figure it might be another useful resorse; so we now have a slop box account, as a lot of people cal it, removing the disallowed expletives. :) >>>> >>>> OK, what do I need to know about setting up the ac application for this thing? Is it accessible? >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Mar 4 06:00:54 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 06:00:54 +0000 Subject: ISO Images In-Reply-To: <35476827-0C87-4D52-A405-88DB482036F9@gmail.com> References: <28A56E17-7CBC-4ADC-B37A-EF7CC748BE94@mac-access.net> <35476827-0C87-4D52-A405-88DB482036F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <21544408-EF77-4F9B-8D88-4992A944EC8C@mac-access.net> Hi Nick Thanks I'll give that a go if I can't find a cleaner way. I'm sure I've made an iso on OSX before but I can't remember how. Gordon On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:38, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: Hi Gordon, If you create a .dmg or .img file you should be able to load that in to disc utility (located in applications/utilities) and convert that to a dvd/cd master. Disc utility will for some reason create a .cdr file which you can rename to .iso, that should work for the unfortunate Windows user... Nick On 4 Mar 2011, at 06:27, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Nick > > I need to create an ISO that's readable by somebody who is unfortunate enough to own a PC. > > It really is as simple as that. > > Gordon > > On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:48, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: > > I'm sure you can do it with Disc utility. Don't know how advanced that is so depends on what exactly you want to do. > > Nick > On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:44, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Anybody know of any way to quickly create a .iso disk image in OSX? No, sorry, a dmg file won't do the trick this time unfortunately it has to be iso. >> >> Gordon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 06:09:54 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 22:09:54 -0800 Subject: ISO Images In-Reply-To: <21544408-EF77-4F9B-8D88-4992A944EC8C@mac-access.net> References: <28A56E17-7CBC-4ADC-B37A-EF7CC748BE94@mac-access.net> <35476827-0C87-4D52-A405-88DB482036F9@gmail.com> <21544408-EF77-4F9B-8D88-4992A944EC8C@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <638C96EB-2649-44B5-8043-FC77D8BC3914@gmail.com> lol. I just [posted a link to a podcast will be up on my server but for now it is up on dropbox. hope it helps. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 Take care. On Mar 3, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Nick > > Thanks I'll give that a go if I can't find a cleaner way. I'm sure I've made an iso on OSX before but I can't remember how. > > Gordon > > On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:38, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: > > Hi Gordon, > > If you create a .dmg or .img file you should be able to load that in to disc utility (located in applications/utilities) and convert that to a dvd/cd master. Disc utility will for some reason create a .cdr file which you can rename to .iso, that should work for the unfortunate Windows user... > > Nick > On 4 Mar 2011, at 06:27, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Nick >> >> I need to create an ISO that's readable by somebody who is unfortunate enough to own a PC. >> >> It really is as simple as that. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:48, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: >> >> I'm sure you can do it with Disc utility. Don't know how advanced that is so depends on what exactly you want to do. >> >> Nick >> On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:44, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Anybody know of any way to quickly create a .iso disk image in OSX? No, sorry, a dmg file won't do the trick this time unfortunately it has to be iso. >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Mar 4 06:12:02 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 06:12:02 +0000 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <15BB7D96-0FD1-4A0D-9FC1-54B8E1D83568@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0394DBD8-D774-4F5A-9D1B-43AEED3F325C@mac-access.net> Hi Srah I wish I hadn't given them any money now. My employer wanted a good file share, but it's important I have access. Damn@ Gordon On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:57, Sarah Alawami wrote: the install is sort of but you cannot change any prefs afterward so good luck. We have written the dropbox team time an time for the past year or so and they said they are working on it and it will be better in the next release. the next release came and they took a step backward. We told them about this release and they said we are aware of it. that's it. Good luck and hope you get itn installed. On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Sarah > > Thanks, that's fine. I'd heard it was not fully accessible. But my employer for some reason wanted a slop box account so well, it's in our name, but there it is. > > On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:18, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Yes. just run the app from with in the dmg and follow the prompts. I would choose the typical install which is selected by default and follow the prompts from here. Have it leave your dropbox folder in the !home directory. Oops I typed the path wrong but hopefully you know what I mean. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Mar 4 06:13:55 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 06:13:55 +0000 Subject: ISO Images In-Reply-To: <638C96EB-2649-44B5-8043-FC77D8BC3914@gmail.com> References: <28A56E17-7CBC-4ADC-B37A-EF7CC748BE94@mac-access.net> <35476827-0C87-4D52-A405-88DB482036F9@gmail.com> <21544408-EF77-4F9B-8D88-4992A944EC8C@mac-access.net> <638C96EB-2649-44B5-8043-FC77D8BC3914@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D71805E-A9C2-4E46-BA9C-46E60D53AA57@mac-access.net> Hi Sarah I listened to that, yes. But there are problems doing it that way under certain circumstances. You can't, as I understand it, make bootable files like that. Gordon On 4 Mar 2011, at 06:09, Sarah Alawami wrote: lol. I just [posted a link to a podcast will be up on my server but for now it is up on dropbox. hope it helps. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 Take care. On Mar 3, 2011, at 10:00 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Nick > > Thanks I'll give that a go if I can't find a cleaner way. I'm sure I've made an iso on OSX before but I can't remember how. > > Gordon > > On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:38, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: > > Hi Gordon, > > If you create a .dmg or .img file you should be able to load that in to disc utility (located in applications/utilities) and convert that to a dvd/cd master. Disc utility will for some reason create a .cdr file which you can rename to .iso, that should work for the unfortunate Windows user... > > Nick > On 4 Mar 2011, at 06:27, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Nick >> >> I need to create an ISO that's readable by somebody who is unfortunate enough to own a PC. >> >> It really is as simple as that. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:48, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: >> >> I'm sure you can do it with Disc utility. Don't know how advanced that is so depends on what exactly you want to do. >> >> Nick >> On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:44, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Anybody know of any way to quickly create a .iso disk image in OSX? No, sorry, a dmg file won't do the trick this time unfortunately it has to be iso. >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri Mar 4 06:18:52 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 00:18:52 -0600 Subject: ISO Images In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4770584E-A635-42AF-84AE-96F36135660C@softcon.com> What you're looking for is a program called isofs. You can find an explanation and some scripts of how it works here. http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20070309033145907 Ignore the part about needing to download the daemon programs, as the isofs is now part of cdr tools, so the isofs can now be used to create the iso image, then cdr can be used to burn the iso image to a disk all done via scripting if so desired. If you're not interested in compiling from source, (as most folks aren't) that tip also tells you how to get a binary version (assuming the cdr tools don't come in binary form somewhere on the site) I of course always compile where possible, so didn't look for a prebuilt binary, but it could be there. Anyhow, hope this helps. From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Mar 4 06:29:34 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 06:29:34 +0000 Subject: ISO Technique failed! Message-ID: <8306098A-D774-4EEC-80A9-78EED659BEC3@mac-access.net> Hi Nick & Sarah OK, I just tried the disk utility routine and it failed for one reason: All of the "." files which OSX uses got copied on to the disk image as well as the actual files. Sarah, I think your demo was just writing the contents of a CD to an image. I grant you that works, but that isn't what I'm doing. I have a boot block image and I need to write it, and a load of other files to a disk image. I just can't find a way. This has to be done right. Gordon From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri Mar 4 06:35:13 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 00:35:13 -0600 Subject: ISO Technique failed! In-Reply-To: <8306098A-D774-4EEC-80A9-78EED659BEC3@mac-access.net> References: <8306098A-D774-4EEC-80A9-78EED659BEC3@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <8ABF938A-C0EA-4938-9D00-4640633C14C1@softcon.com> I'm not sure what kind of image you're starting with, but a simple command like: dd if=/dev/hda1 of= /users/shared/newimage.iso bs=1 will do the job for you. This will copy the whole device listed in / dev/hda1 (used linux device names, since I suddenly forgot what osx devices are called, and wanted to get this out quickly) to the file newimage in the users/shared folder. Then, you can use standard burning techniques to get the newimage file onto a newly burned disk, or whatever you like. Hope this helps. From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 06:40:45 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 22:40:45 -0800 Subject: ISO Technique failed! In-Reply-To: <8ABF938A-C0EA-4938-9D00-4640633C14C1@softcon.com> References: <8306098A-D774-4EEC-80A9-78EED659BEC3@mac-access.net> <8ABF938A-C0EA-4938-9D00-4640633C14C1@softcon.com> Message-ID: Oh really? Hmm I didn't realise it did that. Hmm interesting. there is a comand line wya to remove the dot files and it's a unix trick I think. will have to dig up the article. Hmm oddness. On Mar 3, 2011, at 10:35 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > I'm not sure what kind of image you're starting with, but a simple command like: > dd if=/dev/hda1 of= /users/shared/newimage.iso bs=1 > will do the job for you. This will copy the whole device listed in /dev/hda1 (used linux device names, since I suddenly forgot what osx devices are called, and wanted to get this out quickly) to the file newimage in the users/shared folder. > Then, you can use standard burning techniques to get the newimage file onto a newly burned disk, or whatever you like. > Hope this helps. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 06:42:28 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 22:42:28 -0800 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <0394DBD8-D774-4F5A-9D1B-43AEED3F325C@mac-access.net> References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <15BB7D96-0FD1-4A0D-9FC1-54B8E1D83568@mac-access.net> <0394DBD8-D774-4F5A-9D1B-43AEED3F325C@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Like I said once you set it up i'ts ' fine. I am on a paid account and have no problems. Like I said you cannot change prefs but the initial install is doable with out sight. I just did it 3 weeks ago. lol! On Mar 3, 2011, at 10:12 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Srah > > I wish I hadn't given them any money now. My employer wanted a good file share, but it's important I have access. > > Damn@ > > Gordon > > On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:57, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > the install is sort of but you cannot change any prefs afterward so good luck. We have written the dropbox team time an time for the past year or so and they said they are working on it and it will be better in the next release. the next release came and they took a step backward. We told them about this release and they said we are aware of it. that's it. > > Good luck and hope you get itn installed. > On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Sarah >> >> Thanks, that's fine. I'd heard it was not fully accessible. But my employer for some reason wanted a slop box account so well, it's in our name, but there it is. >> >> On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:18, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >> Yes. just run the app from with in the dmg and follow the prompts. I would choose the typical install which is selected by default and follow the prompts from here. Have it leave your dropbox folder in the !home directory. Oops I typed the path wrong but hopefully you know what I mean. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Mar 4 09:59:01 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 09:59:01 +0000 Subject: ISO Images In-Reply-To: <4770584E-A635-42AF-84AE-96F36135660C@softcon.com> References: <4770584E-A635-42AF-84AE-96F36135660C@softcon.com> Message-ID: Hi Travis If this is all CLI, I'm afraid it's not really what she's looking for. Lynne isn't like you; she's not a terminal or LINUX person. She just doesn't have the confidence yet to start messing with that stuff. :) So really I think she's looking for something with a GUI. Even if it's shareware and she has to be paid for. Gordon On 4 Mar 2011, at 06:18, Travis Siegel wrote: What you're looking for is a program called isofs. You can find an explanation and some scripts of how it works here. http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20070309033145907 Ignore the part about needing to download the daemon programs, as the isofs is now part of cdr tools, so the isofs can now be used to create the iso image, then cdr can be used to burn the iso image to a disk all done via scripting if so desired. If you're not interested in compiling from source, (as most folks aren't) that tip also tells you how to get a binary version (assuming the cdr tools don't come in binary form somewhere on the site) I of course always compile where possible, so didn't look for a prebuilt binary, but it could be there. Anyhow, hope this helps. _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From annieskovnielsen at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 10:40:08 2011 From: annieskovnielsen at gmail.com (Annie Skov Nielsen) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 11:40:08 +0100 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> Hi. You can still do it that way, but you will have to do as following: 1. install the program. 2. open the program from the dmg image, not the program you have installed. 3. Now you can set it up, not easy, but with a little interacting with unknown and maybe a restart of your speech. I hope it helps. Best regards Annie. On 04/03/2011, at 05.36, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: > Hey Gordon, > > Thank you. When I set it up I could do it without eyes but I don't think you can now - doesn't hurt to give it a go. Back when I installed it there were 2 unknown sections on the screen but you could interact with them and select the options you wanted. Since it was already installed I only had to do an upgrade last time. > > Nick > > > On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:32, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Nick, and welcome to the group, sir. That's what I'd heard, yes. I was told that the latest slop box installation wasn't accessible. OK, well, if it isn't accessible, how do you set it up? Do you need eyes? If so I'll have to wait till she wakes up. It's more than my life's worth to disturb her! >> >> Gordon >> >> On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:21, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: >> >> As far as I know, the newest version of Dropbox isn't accessible - or at least the installation isn't. You don't really need to access it afterwards, just copy and remove stuff from your folder.. >> >> Best, >> >> Nick >> On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:18, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> Yes. just run the app from with in the dmg and follow the prompts. I would choose the typical install which is selected by default and follow the prompts from here. Have it leave your dropbox folder in the !home directory. Oops I typed the path wrong but hopefully you know what I mean. >>> >>> Take care. >>> Sarah Alawami >>> >>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>> >>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>> >>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>> >>> On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Wel chaps and chap-esses, I wasn't interested in this before. But I figure it might be another useful resorse; so we now have a slop box account, as a lot of people cal it, removing the disallowed expletives. :) >>>> >>>> OK, what do I need to know about setting up the ac application for this thing? Is it accessible? >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Mar 4 10:58:13 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:58:13 +0000 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Annie Not here. For reasons I can't go into, it won't even run. Gordon On 4 Mar 2011, at 10:40, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: Hi. You can still do it that way, but you will have to do as following: 1. install the program. 2. open the program from the dmg image, not the program you have installed. 3. Now you can set it up, not easy, but with a little interacting with unknown and maybe a restart of your speech. I hope it helps. Best regards Annie. On 04/03/2011, at 05.36, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: > Hey Gordon, > > Thank you. When I set it up I could do it without eyes but I don't think you can now - doesn't hurt to give it a go. Back when I installed it there were 2 unknown sections on the screen but you could interact with them and select the options you wanted. Since it was already installed I only had to do an upgrade last time. > > Nick > > > On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:32, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Nick, and welcome to the group, sir. That's what I'd heard, yes. I was told that the latest slop box installation wasn't accessible. OK, well, if it isn't accessible, how do you set it up? Do you need eyes? If so I'll have to wait till she wakes up. It's more than my life's worth to disturb her! >> >> Gordon >> >> On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:21, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: >> >> As far as I know, the newest version of Dropbox isn't accessible - or at least the installation isn't. You don't really need to access it afterwards, just copy and remove stuff from your folder.. >> >> Best, >> >> Nick >> On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:18, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> Yes. just run the app from with in the dmg and follow the prompts. I would choose the typical install which is selected by default and follow the prompts from here. Have it leave your dropbox folder in the !home directory. Oops I typed the path wrong but hopefully you know what I mean. >>> >>> Take care. >>> Sarah Alawami >>> >>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>> >>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>> >>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>> >>> On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Wel chaps and chap-esses, I wasn't interested in this before. But I figure it might be another useful resorse; so we now have a slop box account, as a lot of people cal it, removing the disallowed expletives. :) >>>> >>>> OK, what do I need to know about setting up the ac application for this thing? Is it accessible? >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Fri Mar 4 11:23:50 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 11:23:50 +0000 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi All! This slopbox thing has been going on for quite a while! Also on that other list! So I was wondering is there another option or are we stuck with only slopbox! :] I do not use it myself but I do not here other options, could there be another one that is more accessible? All the best! Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 4 Mar 2011, at 10:58, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Annie > > Not here. For reasons I can't go into, it won't even run. > > Gordon > > On 4 Mar 2011, at 10:40, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: > > Hi. > > You can still do it that way, but you will have to do as following: > 1. install the program. > 2. open the program from the dmg image, not the program you have installed. > 3. Now you can set it up, not easy, but with a little interacting with unknown and maybe a restart of your speech. > > I hope it helps. > > Best regards Annie. > On 04/03/2011, at 05.36, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: > >> Hey Gordon, >> >> Thank you. When I set it up I could do it without eyes but I don't think you can now - doesn't hurt to give it a go. Back when I installed it there were 2 unknown sections on the screen but you could interact with them and select the options you wanted. Since it was already installed I only had to do an upgrade last time. >> >> Nick >> >> >> On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:32, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi Nick, and welcome to the group, sir. That's what I'd heard, yes. I was told that the latest slop box installation wasn't accessible. OK, well, if it isn't accessible, how do you set it up? Do you need eyes? If so I'll have to wait till she wakes up. It's more than my life's worth to disturb her! >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:21, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: >>> >>> As far as I know, the newest version of Dropbox isn't accessible - or at least the installation isn't. You don't really need to access it afterwards, just copy and remove stuff from your folder.. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Nick >>> On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:18, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> >>>> Yes. just run the app from with in the dmg and follow the prompts. I would choose the typical install which is selected by default and follow the prompts from here. Have it leave your dropbox folder in the !home directory. Oops I typed the path wrong but hopefully you know what I mean. >>>> >>>> Take care. >>>> Sarah Alawami >>>> >>>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>>> >>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>>> >>>> On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> Wel chaps and chap-esses, I wasn't interested in this before. But I figure it might be another useful resorse; so we now have a slop box account, as a lot of people cal it, removing the disallowed expletives. :) >>>>> >>>>> OK, what do I need to know about setting up the ac application for this thing? Is it accessible? >>>>> >>>>> Gordon >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 11:35:39 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 06:35:39 -0500 Subject: new setup password question, Message-ID: <4d70ce86.a04de50a.3410.5695@mx.google.com> I just got my new MBP a couple of days ago. this is my first Mac. When setting up for the first time it asked for my name. Not a problem. then it asked for a password. I entered nothing as I figured for now I wouldn't complicate things. I typed something of no consequence into the password hint field. Now, when I wish to make a big system change it asks me for my password. If I enter nothing, or anything, it tells me my password or name doesn't match. any help would be appreciated. Kevin Kevin Barry If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Mar 4 11:41:44 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 11:41:44 +0000 Subject: Vo bug, or Human error? Message-ID: <44731970-45C0-46B1-9866-8F88ABBAF1EF@computing.dcu.ie> Hi there, I've been noticing something odd. Let's assume I'm in my Downloads folder and I delete a file using CMD-backspace (I'm on a 13" MBP). What sometimes happens is that I'm thrown out of the downloads folder, back up a level. So in other words, instead of getting a list of files in Downloads I get the list of folders (such as Documents library and the rest). So the question is, is this a VO bug or have I suddenly started doing something daft? Cheers D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Mar 4 11:44:30 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 11:44:30 +0000 Subject: Automator question. Message-ID: <02B82EA6-B0EC-490D-897A-12DF600DA036@computing.dcu.ie> Thanks to a very useful tip I found on Lioncourt.com, I've managed to set up an automator service which automatically puts files into folders depending on their extension. However I want to take this further. What I want to do is: 1. Look at where the file is being downloaded from; 2. based on the extension file it somewhere. For example, if I download a file from http://drupal.org, with the extension ".tar.gz" put it in the "Drupal" folder. Been playing with Automator a bit but haven't figured this out yet. Anyone ever tried anything like this or have any thoughts? Cheers D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From gordon at mac-access.net Fri Mar 4 11:46:25 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 11:46:25 +0000 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Colin If you were a client of ours, there is another option. It's called "Drop Ship" and it uses nothing more complex than a standard web interface which is SSL encrypted. It works two ways; you can email people files and request files from them. even if they are not our clients. But, unfortunately, we can't seem to convince people to look any any further than thaSlopbox as I I call it, or Scroogle/ Gordon On 4 Mar 2011, at 11:23, Colin M wrote: Hi All! This slopbox thing has been going on for quite a while! Also on that other list! So I was wondering is there another option or are we stuck with only slopbox! :] I do not use it myself but I do not here other options, could there be another one that is more accessible? All the best! Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 4 Mar 2011, at 10:58, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Annie > > Not here. For reasons I can't go into, it won't even run. > > Gordon > > On 4 Mar 2011, at 10:40, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: > > Hi. > > You can still do it that way, but you will have to do as following: > 1. install the program. > 2. open the program from the dmg image, not the program you have installed. > 3. Now you can set it up, not easy, but with a little interacting with unknown and maybe a restart of your speech. > > I hope it helps. > > Best regards Annie. > On 04/03/2011, at 05.36, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: > >> Hey Gordon, >> >> Thank you. When I set it up I could do it without eyes but I don't think you can now - doesn't hurt to give it a go. Back when I installed it there were 2 unknown sections on the screen but you could interact with them and select the options you wanted. Since it was already installed I only had to do an upgrade last time. >> >> Nick >> >> >> On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:32, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi Nick, and welcome to the group, sir. That's what I'd heard, yes. I was told that the latest slop box installation wasn't accessible. OK, well, if it isn't accessible, how do you set it up? Do you need eyes? If so I'll have to wait till she wakes up. It's more than my life's worth to disturb her! >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:21, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: >>> >>> As far as I know, the newest version of Dropbox isn't accessible - or at least the installation isn't. You don't really need to access it afterwards, just copy and remove stuff from your folder.. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Nick >>> On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:18, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> >>>> Yes. just run the app from with in the dmg and follow the prompts. I would choose the typical install which is selected by default and follow the prompts from here. Have it leave your dropbox folder in the !home directory. Oops I typed the path wrong but hopefully you know what I mean. >>>> >>>> Take care. >>>> Sarah Alawami >>>> >>>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>>> >>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>>> >>>> On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> Wel chaps and chap-esses, I wasn't interested in this before. But I figure it might be another useful resorse; so we now have a slop box account, as a lot of people cal it, removing the disallowed expletives. :) >>>>> >>>>> OK, what do I need to know about setting up the ac application for this thing? Is it accessible? >>>>> >>>>> Gordon >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Fri Mar 4 12:23:16 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 12:23:16 +0000 Subject: Vo bug, or Human error? In-Reply-To: <44731970-45C0-46B1-9866-8F88ABBAF1EF@computing.dcu.ie> References: <44731970-45C0-46B1-9866-8F88ABBAF1EF@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <80603068-35D3-4F1D-B2D9-7BAE53544930@gmail.com> Hi there! If you open the folders with command+o you will stay in that folder when you remove something! I find if I open with arrows I have the same thing as you said! I have not done this in a while but even when within said folder, when I've removed something it has put me at the bottom of that folder! Not on the item above or below the one I've removed! So its not you but how vo works! :] Unless someone says different! Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 4 Mar 2011, at 11:41, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi there, > > I've been noticing something odd. Let's assume I'm in my Downloads folder and I delete a file using CMD-backspace (I'm on a 13" MBP). What sometimes happens is that I'm thrown out of the downloads folder, back up a level. So in other words, instead of getting a list of files in Downloads I get the list of folders (such as Documents library and the rest). > > So the question is, is this a VO bug or have I suddenly started doing something daft? > > Cheers > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Mar 4 12:28:44 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 12:28:44 +0000 Subject: Vo bug, or Human error? In-Reply-To: <80603068-35D3-4F1D-B2D9-7BAE53544930@gmail.com> References: <44731970-45C0-46B1-9866-8F88ABBAF1EF@computing.dcu.ie> <80603068-35D3-4F1D-B2D9-7BAE53544930@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7E2CE4DD-2DA0-4157-9BD0-9B4C40BCB92D@computing.dcu.ie> Thanks Colin, I have my finder set to column view (which I like) so I usually open the folders using arrow keys. Seems daft that this should happen, I'll file a bug report. On 4 Mar 2011, at 12:23, Colin M wrote: > Hi there! > If you open the folders with command+o you will stay in that folder when you remove something! > I find if I open with arrows I have the same thing as you said! > I have not done this in a while but even when within said folder, when I've removed something it has put me at the bottom of that folder! > Not on the item above or below the one I've removed! > So its not you but how vo works! :] > Unless someone says different! > Colin > Qapla! > > > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > > On 4 Mar 2011, at 11:41, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> I've been noticing something odd. Let's assume I'm in my Downloads folder and I delete a file using CMD-backspace (I'm on a 13" MBP). What sometimes happens is that I'm thrown out of the downloads folder, back up a level. So in other words, instead of getting a list of files in Downloads I get the list of folders (such as Documents library and the rest). >> >> So the question is, is this a VO bug or have I suddenly started doing something daft? >> >> Cheers >> >> D?nal >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 12:29:14 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:29:14 +0100 Subject: Vo bug, or Human error? In-Reply-To: <80603068-35D3-4F1D-B2D9-7BAE53544930@gmail.com> References: <44731970-45C0-46B1-9866-8F88ABBAF1EF@computing.dcu.ie> <80603068-35D3-4F1D-B2D9-7BAE53544930@gmail.com> Message-ID: <237C6338-3D08-4BCD-9401-3770B5CD793C@gmail.com> Hello D?nal, This is not a VoiceOver issue at all, but how Mac OS X works. If you expand folders with right arrow, this will typically happen. However, if you utilize Command-O or command-down arrow to open your selection, such as a file or folder, you will not get this issue. Similarly, if you remove an item from the selection when inside a folder, it will lose focus because there is nothing to focus on, as you deleted the item. that previously had focus. Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Mar 4, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Colin M wrote: > Hi there! > If you open the folders with command+o you will stay in that folder when you remove something! > I find if I open with arrows I have the same thing as you said! > I have not done this in a while but even when within said folder, when I've removed something it has put me at the bottom of that folder! > Not on the item above or below the one I've removed! > So its not you but how vo works! :] > Unless someone says different! > Colin > Qapla! > > > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > > On 4 Mar 2011, at 11:41, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> I've been noticing something odd. Let's assume I'm in my Downloads folder and I delete a file using CMD-backspace (I'm on a 13" MBP). What sometimes happens is that I'm thrown out of the downloads folder, back up a level. So in other words, instead of getting a list of files in Downloads I get the list of folders (such as Documents library and the rest). >> >> So the question is, is this a VO bug or have I suddenly started doing something daft? >> >> Cheers >> >> D?nal >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Mar 4 12:30:52 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 12:30:52 +0000 Subject: Vo bug, or Human error? In-Reply-To: <237C6338-3D08-4BCD-9401-3770B5CD793C@gmail.com> References: <44731970-45C0-46B1-9866-8F88ABBAF1EF@computing.dcu.ie> <80603068-35D3-4F1D-B2D9-7BAE53544930@gmail.com> <237C6338-3D08-4BCD-9401-3770B5CD793C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <88535C82-6120-43B5-9BE9-17C2E9179D83@computing.dcu.ie> Makes sense Nick, but surely the focus should simply be placed at the same index in the listview? I'm nit-picking here, though not at you! *smile* On 4 Mar 2011, at 12:29, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hello D?nal, > > This is not a VoiceOver issue at all, but how Mac OS X works. If you expand folders with right arrow, this will typically happen. However, if you utilize Command-O or command-down arrow to open your selection, such as a file or folder, you will not get this issue. > > Similarly, if you remove an item from the selection when inside a folder, it will lose focus because there is nothing to focus on, as you deleted the item. that previously had focus. > > Regards, > Nic > GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com > Facebook > Twitter > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk > Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 > AIM: cincinster > > On Mar 4, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Colin M wrote: > >> Hi there! >> If you open the folders with command+o you will stay in that folder when you remove something! >> I find if I open with arrows I have the same thing as you said! >> I have not done this in a while but even when within said folder, when I've removed something it has put me at the bottom of that folder! >> Not on the item above or below the one I've removed! >> So its not you but how vo works! :] >> Unless someone says different! >> Colin >> Qapla! >> >> >> Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak >> >> On 4 Mar 2011, at 11:41, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Hi there, >>> >>> I've been noticing something odd. Let's assume I'm in my Downloads folder and I delete a file using CMD-backspace (I'm on a 13" MBP). What sometimes happens is that I'm thrown out of the downloads folder, back up a level. So in other words, instead of getting a list of files in Downloads I get the list of folders (such as Documents library and the rest). >>> >>> So the question is, is this a VO bug or have I suddenly started doing something daft? >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> D?nal >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 12:36:10 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 13:36:10 +0100 Subject: Vo bug, or Human error? In-Reply-To: <88535C82-6120-43B5-9BE9-17C2E9179D83@computing.dcu.ie> References: <44731970-45C0-46B1-9866-8F88ABBAF1EF@computing.dcu.ie> <80603068-35D3-4F1D-B2D9-7BAE53544930@gmail.com> <237C6338-3D08-4BCD-9401-3770B5CD793C@gmail.com> <88535C82-6120-43B5-9BE9-17C2E9179D83@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Hi, If you expand a folder rather than literally opening it, it sounds strange that it would kick you out. I agree with this. The workaround is easier, though, and essentially a much better way to accomplish what you want. It doesn't kick you out of folders, and you can also use option up and down to go to the top and the bottom of a structure, respectively. Naturally, if you did this within an expanded folder it would place you at the top of the previous directory, as you did not open the directory you entered. Rather, the parent directory remains open. Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Mar 4, 2011, at 1:30 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Makes sense Nick, but surely the focus should simply be placed at the same index in the listview? I'm nit-picking here, though not at you! *smile* > On 4 Mar 2011, at 12:29, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hello D?nal, >> >> This is not a VoiceOver issue at all, but how Mac OS X works. If you expand folders with right arrow, this will typically happen. However, if you utilize Command-O or command-down arrow to open your selection, such as a file or folder, you will not get this issue. >> >> Similarly, if you remove an item from the selection when inside a folder, it will lose focus because there is nothing to focus on, as you deleted the item. that previously had focus. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com >> Facebook >> Twitter >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk >> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 >> AIM: cincinster >> >> On Mar 4, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Colin M wrote: >> >>> Hi there! >>> If you open the folders with command+o you will stay in that folder when you remove something! >>> I find if I open with arrows I have the same thing as you said! >>> I have not done this in a while but even when within said folder, when I've removed something it has put me at the bottom of that folder! >>> Not on the item above or below the one I've removed! >>> So its not you but how vo works! :] >>> Unless someone says different! >>> Colin >>> Qapla! >>> >>> >>> Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak >>> >>> On 4 Mar 2011, at 11:41, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> >>>> Hi there, >>>> >>>> I've been noticing something odd. Let's assume I'm in my Downloads folder and I delete a file using CMD-backspace (I'm on a 13" MBP). What sometimes happens is that I'm thrown out of the downloads folder, back up a level. So in other words, instead of getting a list of files in Downloads I get the list of folders (such as Documents library and the rest). >>>> >>>> So the question is, is this a VO bug or have I suddenly started doing something daft? >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> D?nal >>>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 13:08:26 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 08:08:26 -0500 Subject: Vo bug, or Human error? In-Reply-To: <44731970-45C0-46B1-9866-8F88ABBAF1EF@computing.dcu.ie> References: <44731970-45C0-46B1-9866-8F88ABBAF1EF@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: There are 3 view modes in the finder, icon view, list view, and column view. Command-1 puts you in icon view, command-2 puts you in list view, and command-3 puts you in column view. In icon view, when you delete a file or folder, you stay where you are. In list view and column view, when you delete a file or folder, it moves back 1 level. Try the different views, and see which one you like the most, as they all have different behaviors and provide different information. For example, in icon view, you can arrow and tab through the items, and only the names and kind are spoken. To open an item, press command-o. In list view, you can only use arrow keys, but you get a more verbose view. In column view, you can only use arrow keys, but the verbosity is the same as that in icon view. In both list and column view, use right arow to expand folders and left arrow to collapse them. Command-o is used to open files. On Mar 4, 2011, at 6:41 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi there, > > I've been noticing something odd. Let's assume I'm in my Downloads folder and I delete a file using CMD-backspace (I'm on a 13" MBP). What sometimes happens is that I'm thrown out of the downloads folder, back up a level. So in other words, instead of getting a list of files in Downloads I get the list of folders (such as Documents library and the rest). > > So the question is, is this a VO bug or have I suddenly started doing something daft? > > Cheers > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Mar 4 14:13:06 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 14:13:06 +0000 Subject: Vo bug, or Human error? In-Reply-To: References: <44731970-45C0-46B1-9866-8F88ABBAF1EF@computing.dcu.ie> <80603068-35D3-4F1D-B2D9-7BAE53544930@gmail.com> <237C6338-3D08-4BCD-9401-3770B5CD793C@gmail.com> <88535C82-6120-43B5-9BE9-17C2E9179D83@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <6BF02068-EA67-4EB4-B61E-12D7456649BD@computing.dcu.ie> Yep makes sense. The reason I thought it was a bug though is that the behaviour of throwing the user out to the containing folder only happens sporadically.. On 4 Mar 2011, at 12:36, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > If you expand a folder rather than literally opening it, it sounds strange that it would kick you out. I agree with this. The workaround is easier, though, and essentially a much better way to accomplish what you want. It doesn't kick you out of folders, and you can also use option up and down to go to the top and the bottom of a structure, respectively. > > Naturally, if you did this within an expanded folder it would place you at the top of the previous directory, as you did not open the directory you entered. Rather, the parent directory remains open. > > Regards, > Nic > GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com > Facebook > Twitter > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk > Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 > AIM: cincinster > > On Mar 4, 2011, at 1:30 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Makes sense Nick, but surely the focus should simply be placed at the same index in the listview? I'm nit-picking here, though not at you! *smile* >> On 4 Mar 2011, at 12:29, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hello D?nal, >>> >>> This is not a VoiceOver issue at all, but how Mac OS X works. If you expand folders with right arrow, this will typically happen. However, if you utilize Command-O or command-down arrow to open your selection, such as a file or folder, you will not get this issue. >>> >>> Similarly, if you remove an item from the selection when inside a folder, it will lose focus because there is nothing to focus on, as you deleted the item. that previously had focus. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com >>> Facebook >>> Twitter >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk >>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 >>> AIM: cincinster >>> >>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Colin M wrote: >>> >>>> Hi there! >>>> If you open the folders with command+o you will stay in that folder when you remove something! >>>> I find if I open with arrows I have the same thing as you said! >>>> I have not done this in a while but even when within said folder, when I've removed something it has put me at the bottom of that folder! >>>> Not on the item above or below the one I've removed! >>>> So its not you but how vo works! :] >>>> Unless someone says different! >>>> Colin >>>> Qapla! >>>> >>>> >>>> Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak >>>> >>>> On 4 Mar 2011, at 11:41, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi there, >>>>> >>>>> I've been noticing something odd. Let's assume I'm in my Downloads folder and I delete a file using CMD-backspace (I'm on a 13" MBP). What sometimes happens is that I'm thrown out of the downloads folder, back up a level. So in other words, instead of getting a list of files in Downloads I get the list of folders (such as Documents library and the rest). >>>>> >>>>> So the question is, is this a VO bug or have I suddenly started doing something daft? >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> D?nal >>>>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>>>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 14:31:36 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 06:31:36 -0800 Subject: new setup password question, In-Reply-To: <4d70ce86.a04de50a.3410.5695@mx.google.com> References: <4d70ce86.a04de50a.3410.5695@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You need that password to do everything. Try a reset from the snl disk. I will write more when I am at my comp. On 04/03/2011, at 3:35, Kevin Barry wrote: > I just got my new MBP a couple of days ago. > this is my first Mac. > When setting up for the first time it asked for my name. > Not a problem. > then it asked for a password. > I entered nothing as I figured for now I wouldn't complicate things. > I typed something of no consequence into the password hint field. > Now, when I wish to make a big system change it asks me for my password. > If I enter nothing, or anything, it tells me my password or name doesn't match. > any help would be appreciated. > Kevin > > > > > Kevin Barry > If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Fri Mar 4 16:10:35 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 06:10:35 -1000 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <0394DBD8-D774-4F5A-9D1B-43AEED3F325C@mac-access.net> References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <15BB7D96-0FD1-4A0D-9FC1-54B8E1D83568@mac-access.net> <0394DBD8-D774-4F5A-9D1B-43AEED3F325C@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Gordon, This may not be helpful now that you've installed the current version of Dropbox, but I still have a very old dropbox.dmg file on my hard drive (looks like version 0.6.402 from January 2009). This is older than the version of Dropbox that I am running, but I suspect it will still work, however, I think Dropbox always uses the latest version that you've installed. I originally looked into this about the time I was checking out ExpanDrive and the accessibility of the status menu bar under Leopard, and I think I saved the disk image because of the unusual way I managed to get to the status menu bar icon at the time -- I found that I could get there by bringing up window chooser menu (VO-F2 twice) and looking for "unknown". Selecting this would take me to the Dropbox icon on my status menu bar. I think this only worked under Leopard, and the JustNotes app for desktop syncing notes with the Simplenote iPhone app worked the same way -- you would find an entry labeled "unknown" in window chooser menu that would let you navigate to the icon for the the app on status menu bar, and this only worked this way under Leopard. (It was certainly odd having the two "unknown" window chooser menu items. Cheers, Esther On Mar 3, 2011, at 20:12, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Srah > > I wish I hadn't given them any money now. My employer wanted a good file share, but it's important I have access. > > Damn@ > > Gordon > > On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:57, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > the install is sort of but you cannot change any prefs afterward so good luck. We have written the dropbox team time an time for the past year or so and they said they are working on it and it will be better in the next release. the next release came and they took a step backward. We told them about this release and they said we are aware of it. that's it. > > Good luck and hope you get itn installed. > On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Sarah >> >> Thanks, that's fine. I'd heard it was not fully accessible. But my employer for some reason wanted a slop box account so well, it's in our name, but there it is. >> >> On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:18, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >> Yes. just run the app from with in the dmg and follow the prompts. I would choose the typical install which is selected by default and follow the prompts from here. Have it leave your dropbox folder in the !home directory. Oops I typed the path wrong but hopefully you know what I mean. >> From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri Mar 4 16:36:45 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:36:45 -0600 Subject: Vo bug, or Human error? In-Reply-To: <237C6338-3D08-4BCD-9401-3770B5CD793C@gmail.com> References: <44731970-45C0-46B1-9866-8F88ABBAF1EF@computing.dcu.ie> <80603068-35D3-4F1D-B2D9-7BAE53544930@gmail.com> <237C6338-3D08-4BCD-9401-3770B5CD793C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6B897682-1833-45F3-A167-4849B02C5CB5@softcon.com> Yeah, except you'll notice that if you remove multiple files (2 or more) then this behavior of going back to the previous level in the folder hiearchie does not happen, so I say it *is* a vo bug, because 1 file triggers the behavior, 2 or more does not trigger this behavior (unless the folder is empty at that point) From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri Mar 4 16:39:50 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:39:50 -0600 Subject: Vo bug, or Human error? In-Reply-To: References: <44731970-45C0-46B1-9866-8F88ABBAF1EF@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <880A4B7E-CBD0-4B84-B1DE-1F882D9EC7FA@softcon.com> When in column view (don't know about list view, I don't use it) command-o can be used to open files/folders as mentioned, but you can also use vo-space to open the items as well. I have my numpad commander mapped to use the enter key on the numpad to perform default action (or whatever it i called) and when I'm on a file, I press my numpad enter key, and the items are opened in their default mode. I.E. files are loaded into their respective applications, or applications are opened and run. From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Mar 4 16:42:43 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:42:43 +0000 Subject: Vo bug, or Human error? In-Reply-To: <6B897682-1833-45F3-A167-4849B02C5CB5@softcon.com> References: <44731970-45C0-46B1-9866-8F88ABBAF1EF@computing.dcu.ie> <80603068-35D3-4F1D-B2D9-7BAE53544930@gmail.com> <237C6338-3D08-4BCD-9401-3770B5CD793C@gmail.com> <6B897682-1833-45F3-A167-4849B02C5CB5@softcon.com> Message-ID: <577B4EFE-AA2F-4A1E-83FB-095F985C7E25@computing.dcu.ie> Yep that's the only thing I've managed to isolate as well. However it *sometimes* happens with one file as well. On 4 Mar 2011, at 16:36, Travis Siegel wrote: > Yeah, except you'll notice that if you remove multiple files (2 or more) then this behavior of going back to the previous level in the folder hiearchie does not happen, so I say it *is* a vo bug, because 1 file triggers the behavior, 2 or more does not trigger this behavior (unless the folder is empty at that point) > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 16:42:45 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 17:42:45 +0100 Subject: Vo bug, or Human error? In-Reply-To: <6B897682-1833-45F3-A167-4849B02C5CB5@softcon.com> References: <44731970-45C0-46B1-9866-8F88ABBAF1EF@computing.dcu.ie> <80603068-35D3-4F1D-B2D9-7BAE53544930@gmail.com> <237C6338-3D08-4BCD-9401-3770B5CD793C@gmail.com> <6B897682-1833-45F3-A167-4849B02C5CB5@softcon.com> Message-ID: Hi, Just a clarification. Selecting a file or folder, even multiple items is not a feature of VoiceOver, but of Mac OS X. It's very important to distinguish between VoiceOver-specific issues, and Mac OS X problems. There is a good chance this would happen even for a sighted user, given that you are not using VoiceOver keys to select the items. Secondly, even if you do use VoiceOVer keys, it still may not be a VoiceOver bug, since VO-Command-Space is essentially just the equivalent of using the mouse. Regards, Nic On Mar 4, 2011, at 5:36 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > Yeah, except you'll notice that if you remove multiple files (2 or more) then this behavior of going back to the previous level in the folder hiearchie does not happen, so I say it *is* a vo bug, because 1 file triggers the behavior, 2 or more does not trigger this behavior (unless the folder is empty at that point) > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Mar 4 16:43:52 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:43:52 +0000 Subject: Vo bug, or Human error? In-Reply-To: References: <44731970-45C0-46B1-9866-8F88ABBAF1EF@computing.dcu.ie> <80603068-35D3-4F1D-B2D9-7BAE53544930@gmail.com> <237C6338-3D08-4BCD-9401-3770B5CD793C@gmail.com> <6B897682-1833-45F3-A167-4849B02C5CB5@softcon.com> Message-ID: <7835E398-229B-44A9-8AB2-A03537FAD5E4@computing.dcu.ie> Nick, My wife is not experiencing this issue and she's not running VO. On 4 Mar 2011, at 16:42, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > Just a clarification. > > Selecting a file or folder, even multiple items is not a feature of VoiceOver, but of Mac OS X. It's very important to distinguish between VoiceOver-specific issues, and Mac OS X problems. There is a good chance this would happen even for a sighted user, given that you are not using VoiceOver keys to select the items. > > Secondly, even if you do use VoiceOVer keys, it still may not be a VoiceOver bug, since VO-Command-Space is essentially just the equivalent of using the mouse. > > Regards, > Nic > On Mar 4, 2011, at 5:36 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > >> Yeah, except you'll notice that if you remove multiple files (2 or more) then this behavior of going back to the previous level in the folder hiearchie does not happen, so I say it *is* a vo bug, because 1 file triggers the behavior, 2 or more does not trigger this behavior (unless the folder is empty at that point) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 16:45:26 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 17:45:26 +0100 Subject: Vo bug, or Human error? In-Reply-To: <7835E398-229B-44A9-8AB2-A03537FAD5E4@computing.dcu.ie> References: <44731970-45C0-46B1-9866-8F88ABBAF1EF@computing.dcu.ie> <80603068-35D3-4F1D-B2D9-7BAE53544930@gmail.com> <237C6338-3D08-4BCD-9401-3770B5CD793C@gmail.com> <6B897682-1833-45F3-A167-4849B02C5CB5@softcon.com> <7835E398-229B-44A9-8AB2-A03537FAD5E4@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <242E1F38-20BE-4F49-B546-451F7317F1D5@gmail.com> Hi, Good, now it's actually proven. My point is this. Don't put it down to VO before you tried it without. :) *fix* Regards, Nic On Mar 4, 2011, at 5:43 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Nick, > > My wife is not experiencing this issue and she's not running VO. > On 4 Mar 2011, at 16:42, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Just a clarification. >> >> Selecting a file or folder, even multiple items is not a feature of VoiceOver, but of Mac OS X. It's very important to distinguish between VoiceOver-specific issues, and Mac OS X problems. There is a good chance this would happen even for a sighted user, given that you are not using VoiceOver keys to select the items. >> >> Secondly, even if you do use VoiceOVer keys, it still may not be a VoiceOver bug, since VO-Command-Space is essentially just the equivalent of using the mouse. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Mar 4, 2011, at 5:36 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: >> >>> Yeah, except you'll notice that if you remove multiple files (2 or more) then this behavior of going back to the previous level in the folder hiearchie does not happen, so I say it *is* a vo bug, because 1 file triggers the behavior, 2 or more does not trigger this behavior (unless the folder is empty at that point) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Mar 4 16:47:38 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:47:38 +0000 Subject: Vo bug, or Human error? In-Reply-To: <242E1F38-20BE-4F49-B546-451F7317F1D5@gmail.com> References: <44731970-45C0-46B1-9866-8F88ABBAF1EF@computing.dcu.ie> <80603068-35D3-4F1D-B2D9-7BAE53544930@gmail.com> <237C6338-3D08-4BCD-9401-3770B5CD793C@gmail.com> <6B897682-1833-45F3-A167-4849B02C5CB5@softcon.com> <7835E398-229B-44A9-8AB2-A03537FAD5E4@computing.dcu.ie> <242E1F38-20BE-4F49-B546-451F7317F1D5@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hence the title of the thread perhaps? :-) On 4 Mar 2011, at 16:45, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > Good, now it's actually proven. My point is this. Don't put it down to VO before you tried it without. :) *fix* > > Regards, > Nic > On Mar 4, 2011, at 5:43 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Nick, >> >> My wife is not experiencing this issue and she's not running VO. >> On 4 Mar 2011, at 16:42, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Just a clarification. >>> >>> Selecting a file or folder, even multiple items is not a feature of VoiceOver, but of Mac OS X. It's very important to distinguish between VoiceOver-specific issues, and Mac OS X problems. There is a good chance this would happen even for a sighted user, given that you are not using VoiceOver keys to select the items. >>> >>> Secondly, even if you do use VoiceOVer keys, it still may not be a VoiceOver bug, since VO-Command-Space is essentially just the equivalent of using the mouse. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 5:36 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah, except you'll notice that if you remove multiple files (2 or more) then this behavior of going back to the previous level in the folder hiearchie does not happen, so I say it *is* a vo bug, because 1 file triggers the behavior, 2 or more does not trigger this behavior (unless the folder is empty at that point) >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From moriond at mac.com Fri Mar 4 16:59:29 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 06:59:29 -1000 Subject: Vo bug, or Human error? In-Reply-To: References: <44731970-45C0-46B1-9866-8F88ABBAF1EF@computing.dcu.ie> <80603068-35D3-4F1D-B2D9-7BAE53544930@gmail.com> <237C6338-3D08-4BCD-9401-3770B5CD793C@gmail.com> <6B897682-1833-45F3-A167-4849B02C5CB5@softcon.com> <7835E398-229B-44A9-8AB2-A03537FAD5E4@computing.dcu.ie> <242E1F38-20BE-4F49-B546-451F7317F1D5@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I do tend to use Command-Down arrow (but not Command-0) the way that Nic originally outlined in Finder to both open files and expand folders in Finder, so I haven't encountered this bug. I like to keep my fingers near the control keys and the arrow key. I agree this is a bug, though. Convenient for you that you can coopt family members to act as independent testers, D?nal . Cheers, Esther On Mar 4, 2011, at 06:47, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hence the title of the thread perhaps? :-) > On 4 Mar 2011, at 16:45, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Good, now it's actually proven. My point is this. Don't put it down to VO before you tried it without. :) *fix* >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Mar 4, 2011, at 5:43 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Nick, >>> >>> My wife is not experiencing this issue and she's not running VO. >>> On 4 Mar 2011, at 16:42, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Just a clarification. >>>> >>>> Selecting a file or folder, even multiple items is not a feature of VoiceOver, but of Mac OS X. It's very important to distinguish between VoiceOver-specific issues, and Mac OS X problems. There is a good chance this would happen even for a sighted user, given that you are not using VoiceOver keys to select the items. >>>> >>>> Secondly, even if you do use VoiceOVer keys, it still may not be a VoiceOver bug, since VO-Command-Space is essentially just the equivalent of using the mouse. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic >>>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 5:36 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yeah, except you'll notice that if you remove multiple files (2 or more) then this behavior of going back to the previous level in the folder hiearchie does not happen, so I say it *is* a vo bug, because 1 file triggers the behavior, 2 or more does not trigger this behavior (unless the folder is empty at that point) >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 17:04:57 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 09:04:57 -0800 Subject: Delete spam by IP address in Mail.app Message-ID: <8C96FB89-844A-4721-9C65-5DD14740AF4C@gmail.com> Will this work even if you use google's filters? read more. http://bit.ly/dRmup5 Note: I was actually asking the question here. I did not summarize. From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 17:09:19 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 09:09:19 -0800 Subject: new setup password question, In-Reply-To: <4d70ce86.a04de50a.3410.5695@mx.google.com> References: <4d70ce86.a04de50a.3410.5695@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Ok as promised. 1. turn off your computer. 2. stick your snl disk in there 3. while turning on the computer hold down the c key for about 30 seconds. 4. wait another 30 seconds and turn on voice over. If that fails try turning on vo again. sometimes the keystroke won't take. 5. choose your language and hit continu. 6. when the set up appears go to the manu bar and go to utilities. 7. go to password reset and reset your password.. 8. quit that utility and then quite the set up and restart. All should be ell. On Mar 4, 2011, at 3:35 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: > I just got my new MBP a couple of days ago. > this is my first Mac. > When setting up for the first time it asked for my name. > Not a problem. > then it asked for a password. > I entered nothing as I figured for now I wouldn't complicate things. > I typed something of no consequence into the password hint field. > Now, when I wish to make a big system change it asks me for my password. > If I enter nothing, or anything, it tells me my password or name doesn't match. > any help would be appreciated. > Kevin > > > > > Kevin Barry > If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gunn at tznet.com Fri Mar 4 17:56:02 2011 From: gunn at tznet.com (gunn at tznet.com) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 12:56:02 -0500 Subject: new setup password question, Message-ID: <380-2201135417562471@M2W122.mail2web.com> Hi: Just adding when you reset the password you must choose a volume as well choose the user on that volume. John Original Message: ----------------- From: Sarah Alawami marrie12 at gmail.com Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 09:09:19 -0800 To: mac-access at mac-access.net Subject: Re: new setup password question, Ok as promised. 1. turn off your computer. 2. stick your snl disk in there 3. while turning on the computer hold down the c key for about 30 seconds. 4. wait another 30 seconds and turn on voice over. If that fails try turning on vo again. sometimes the keystroke won't take. 5. choose your language and hit continu. 6. when the set up appears go to the manu bar and go to utilities. 7. go to password reset and reset your password.. 8. quit that utility and then quite the set up and restart. All should be ell. On Mar 4, 2011, at 3:35 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: > I just got my new MBP a couple of days ago. > this is my first Mac. > When setting up for the first time it asked for my name. > Not a problem. > then it asked for a password. > I entered nothing as I figured for now I wouldn't complicate things. > I typed something of no consequence into the password hint field. > Now, when I wish to make a big system change it asks me for my password. > If I enter nothing, or anything, it tells me my password or name doesn't match. > any help would be appreciated. > Kevin > > > > > Kevin Barry > If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 18:48:36 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:48:36 -0800 Subject: new setup password question, In-Reply-To: <380-2201135417562471@M2W122.mail2web.com> References: <380-2201135417562471@M2W122.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <9D0FF660-99D8-41BA-B97F-A21ACEE80353@gmail.com> Ooops! Sorry about that. I have never done the reset thing so I was literally going from memory on this one. Thanks and so sorry about my error.. On Mar 4, 2011, at 9:56 AM, gunn at tznet.com wrote: > Hi: > > Just adding when you reset the password you must choose a volume as well > choose the user on that volume. > > John > > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Sarah Alawami marrie12 at gmail.com > Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 09:09:19 -0800 > To: mac-access at mac-access.net > Subject: Re: new setup password question, > > > Ok as promised. > > 1. turn off your computer. > > 2. stick your snl disk in there > > 3. while turning on the computer hold down the c key for about 30 seconds. > > 4. wait another 30 seconds and turn on voice over. If that fails try > turning on vo again. sometimes the keystroke won't take. > > 5. choose your language and hit continu. > > 6. when the set up appears go to the manu bar and go to utilities. > > 7. go to password reset and reset your password.. > > 8. quit that utility and then quite the set up and restart. > > All should be ell. > On Mar 4, 2011, at 3:35 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: > >> I just got my new MBP a couple of days ago. >> this is my first Mac. >> When setting up for the first time it asked for my name. >> Not a problem. >> then it asked for a password. >> I entered nothing as I figured for now I wouldn't complicate things. >> I typed something of no consequence into the password hint field. >> Now, when I wish to make a big system change it asks me for my password. >> If I enter nothing, or anything, it tells me my password or name doesn't > match. >> any help would be appreciated. >> Kevin >> >> >> >> >> Kevin Barry >> If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Fri Mar 4 21:16:29 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 17:16:29 -0400 Subject: SSD drive questions Message-ID: Hi Folks: Now that I've been able to upgrade the ram in my 15 inch unibody MacBook Pro, I have a couple of questions concerning SSD: 1. Is the performance dramatically improved using an SSD drive? 2. Any recommendations as to what SSD drive I should purchase? Thanks all over the place gang. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From moopiecurran at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 21:28:50 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:28:50 -0500 Subject: Mov-avi video converter and mov-avi DVD Ripper? Message-ID: Hi, Are the two apps mentioned in my subject line accessible? If so, they're both on sale in the mac apps store for $9.99 each, previous price was $39.99. Courtney From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 22:32:46 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 14:32:46 -0800 Subject: iOS 4.3 Personal Hotspot Wi-Fi Sharing Limited to Three Devices in Many Countries? Message-ID: <934BCBB8-9FA9-42F2-9F2C-37B38F02560D@gmail.com> How many devices will at7t allow? and is this normal in other countries? http://bit.ly/fUOhFW From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 23:10:41 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 15:10:41 -0800 Subject: a question about ftp on the go Message-ID: I'm looking for an ftp client that supports itunes file sharing so I can drag the files directly in t the app then transfer them over 3 g. This is because I do some of my work over 3 g when I travel and I don't want to tether. Question number 2. Is the app accessible enough to where I can use it, that is 90 percent accessible? lol! Here is the itunes link but this question goes to anyone who bought the thing. I've been getting silence on this question for months now lol! link: http://bit.ly/g6S4Gd Thanks all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From james.london26 at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 23:43:12 2011 From: james.london26 at gmail.com (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 23:43:12 +0000 Subject: SSD drive questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jim On 4 Mar 2011, at 21:16, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Is the performance dramatically improved using an SSD drive? The answer is annoyingly, yes and no. :) Initially, reading and writing to the disk as with any drive is quick, because the disk is clean. The problem comes when deleting files and re-writing. On SSDs, the files are not actually deleted, and as time goes by, it becomes difficult for the OS to find new blocks to write to. There is also some concern over the automated cleanup/garbage disposal process which many manufacturers employ to help "re-use" their disks. The problem with this is the user is given no warning of when files are deleted. In terms of speed though, they are initially faster and also much quieter. HTH TC James > Hi Folks: > > Now that I've been able to upgrade the ram in my 15 inch unibody MacBook Pro, I have a couple of questions concerning SSD: > > 1. Is the performance dramatically improved using an SSD drive? > > 2. Any recommendations as to what SSD drive I should purchase? > > Thanks all over the place gang. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 23:46:15 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 18:46:15 -0500 Subject: new setup password question, In-Reply-To: References: <4d70ce86.a04de50a.3410.5695@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4d7179c1.5359340a.37d3.3ce8@mx.google.com> Thanks very much. I'll tackle this this weekend. It irritates me as I deliberately didn't choose a password. Note, when the machine boots it doesn't ask me for one. Kevin At 12:09 PM 3/4/2011, you wrote: >Ok as promised. > >1. turn off your computer. > >2. stick your snl disk in there > >3. while turning on the computer hold down the c key for about 30 seconds. > >4. wait another 30 seconds and turn on voice over. If that fails try >turning on vo again. sometimes the keystroke won't take. > >5. choose your language and hit continu. > >6. when the set up appears go to the manu bar and go to utilities. > >7. go to password reset and reset your password.. > >8. quit that utility and then quite the set up and restart. > >All should be ell. >On Mar 4, 2011, at 3:35 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: > > > I just got my new MBP a couple of days ago. > > this is my first Mac. > > When setting up for the first time it asked for my name. > > Not a problem. > > then it asked for a password. > > I entered nothing as I figured for now I wouldn't complicate things. > > I typed something of no consequence into the password hint field. > > Now, when I wish to make a big system change it asks me for my password. > > If I enter nothing, or anything, it tells me my password or name > doesn't match. > > any help would be appreciated. > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > Kevin Barry > > If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 23:56:42 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 18:56:42 -0500 Subject: SSD drive questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4d717c38.c43ddc0a.5836.7904@mx.google.com> the problem with an SSD, and with all flash drives, is that they gradually fail. Each cell can only live through a very limited number of write cycles. this is usually not a problem for an SD card or the like but a typical hd writes much more frequently. An SLC drive will fail much slower than a typical MLC drive but also costs quite a bit more. An SSD drive has an enormous advantage in random access time. that is, how fast it takes before data comes across on the bus after the command to retrieve is issued. In theory the throughput can be higher as well but the difference is small and usually not noticable in any case. SSDs also draw much less energy as there is no spinning disk. This also makes them much less liable to physical damage. And SSD will gradually slow down as its cells die and eventually will need to be replaced. But, with prices coming down it might be worth it. Also, if you use one it is important you disable any automatic disk defrag function of your OS as all that will do is hasten the failure of your drive. Kevin At 06:43 PM 3/4/2011, you wrote: >Hi Jim >On 4 Mar 2011, at 21:16, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > > Is the performance dramatically improved using an SSD drive? > >The answer is annoyingly, yes and no. :) > >Initially, reading and writing to the disk as with any drive is >quick, because the disk is clean. The problem comes when deleting >files and re-writing. On SSDs, the files are not actually deleted, >and as time goes by, it becomes difficult for the OS to find new >blocks to write to. There is also some concern over the automated >cleanup/garbage disposal process which many manufacturers employ to >help "re-use" their disks. The problem with this is the user is >given no warning of when files are deleted. > >In terms of speed though, they are initially faster and also much quieter. > >HTH >TC >James > > > > Hi Folks: > > > > Now that I've been able to upgrade the ram in my 15 inch unibody > MacBook Pro, I have a couple of questions concerning SSD: > > > > 1. Is the performance dramatically improved using an SSD drive? > > > > 2. Any recommendations as to what SSD drive I should purchase? > > > > Thanks all over the place gang. > > > > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of > virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Fri Mar 4 23:57:12 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 18:57:12 -0500 Subject: new setup password question, In-Reply-To: References: <4d70ce86.a04de50a.3410.5695@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4d717c56.1192e60a.7af2.326b@mx.google.com> Dumb question, what is SNL? At 12:09 PM 3/4/2011, you wrote: >Ok as promised. > >1. turn off your computer. > >2. stick your snl disk in there > >3. while turning on the computer hold down the c key for about 30 seconds. > >4. wait another 30 seconds and turn on voice over. If that fails try >turning on vo again. sometimes the keystroke won't take. > >5. choose your language and hit continu. > >6. when the set up appears go to the manu bar and go to utilities. > >7. go to password reset and reset your password.. > >8. quit that utility and then quite the set up and restart. > >All should be ell. >On Mar 4, 2011, at 3:35 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: > > > I just got my new MBP a couple of days ago. > > this is my first Mac. > > When setting up for the first time it asked for my name. > > Not a problem. > > then it asked for a password. > > I entered nothing as I figured for now I wouldn't complicate things. > > I typed something of no consequence into the password hint field. > > Now, when I wish to make a big system change it asks me for my password. > > If I enter nothing, or anything, it tells me my password or name > doesn't match. > > any help would be appreciated. > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > Kevin Barry > > If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 00:19:28 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:19:28 -0800 Subject: new setup password question, In-Reply-To: <4d717c56.1192e60a.7af2.326b@mx.google.com> References: <4d70ce86.a04de50a.3410.5695@mx.google.com> <4d717c56.1192e60a.7af2.326b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2448BCF8-BE39-4BA9-959A-EA70D98BCF53@gmail.com> snl is snow leopard. Take care. On Mar 4, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Kevin Barry wrote: > Dumb question, what is SNL? > > At 12:09 PM 3/4/2011, you wrote: >> Ok as promised. >> >> 1. turn off your computer. >> >> 2. stick your snl disk in there >> >> 3. while turning on the computer hold down the c key for about 30 seconds. >> >> 4. wait another 30 seconds and turn on voice over. If that fails try turning on vo again. sometimes the keystroke won't take. >> >> 5. choose your language and hit continu. >> >> 6. when the set up appears go to the manu bar and go to utilities. >> >> 7. go to password reset and reset your password.. >> >> 8. quit that utility and then quite the set up and restart. >> >> All should be ell. >> On Mar 4, 2011, at 3:35 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: >> >> > I just got my new MBP a couple of days ago. >> > this is my first Mac. >> > When setting up for the first time it asked for my name. >> > Not a problem. >> > then it asked for a password. >> > I entered nothing as I figured for now I wouldn't complicate things. >> > I typed something of no consequence into the password hint field. >> > Now, when I wish to make a big system change it asks me for my password. >> > If I enter nothing, or anything, it tells me my password or name doesn't match. >> > any help would be appreciated. >> > Kevin >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Kevin Barry >> > If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> > >> > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> > >> > >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> > >> > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 00:30:27 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 16:30:27 -0800 Subject: iCal uses fn key in Go to Date window Message-ID: <443AD1C1-0127-4135-A76A-7C76028BFE2E@gmail.com> This is an interesting work around a bug. read more: http://bit.ly/gql6Pk note: look at the comments as well. readers have found this to be the case in many application From krbarry at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 01:19:39 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 20:19:39 -0500 Subject: new setup password question, In-Reply-To: References: <4d70ce86.a04de50a.3410.5695@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4d718fa5.e059dc0a.6fce.002b@mx.google.com> Sarah, Thanks very much, but it seems I goofed somewhere. i did as instructed aand the OS was reinstalled which took about an hour. After that I was back where I started. That is, I didn't have to reinstall my applications. I do not know if my password was reset or not but when I bring up the menu bar I do not see a utilities option. What did I do wrong? At 12:09 PM 3/4/2011, you wrote: >Ok as promised. > >1. turn off your computer. > >2. stick your snl disk in there > >3. while turning on the computer hold down the c key for about 30 seconds. > >4. wait another 30 seconds and turn on voice over. If that fails try >turning on vo again. sometimes the keystroke won't take. > >5. choose your language and hit continu. > >6. when the set up appears go to the manu bar and go to utilities. > >7. go to password reset and reset your password.. > >8. quit that utility and then quite the set up and restart. > >All should be ell. >On Mar 4, 2011, at 3:35 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: > > > I just got my new MBP a couple of days ago. > > this is my first Mac. > > When setting up for the first time it asked for my name. > > Not a problem. > > then it asked for a password. > > I entered nothing as I figured for now I wouldn't complicate things. > > I typed something of no consequence into the password hint field. > > Now, when I wish to make a big system change it asks me for my password. > > If I enter nothing, or anything, it tells me my password or name > doesn't match. > > any help would be appreciated. > > Kevin > > > > > > > > > > Kevin Barry > > If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 02:14:19 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 18:14:19 -0800 Subject: new setup password question, In-Reply-To: <4d718fa5.e059dc0a.6fce.002b@mx.google.com> References: <4d70ce86.a04de50a.3410.5695@mx.google.com> <4d718fa5.e059dc0a.6fce.002b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4D996E28-CDAC-453C-8FA9-685F1E4D566D@gmail.com> Oh no I didn' twant you to reinstall the os. just go to the menu bar and go to utilities after the instal comes up. On Mar 4, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Kevin Barry wrote: > Sarah, > Thanks very much, but it seems I goofed somewhere. > i did as instructed aand the OS was reinstalled which took about an hour. > After that I was back where I started. > That is, I didn't have to reinstall my applications. > I do not know if my password was reset or not but when I bring up the menu bar I do not see a utilities option. > What did I do wrong? > > At 12:09 PM 3/4/2011, you wrote: >> Ok as promised. >> >> 1. turn off your computer. >> >> 2. stick your snl disk in there >> >> 3. while turning on the computer hold down the c key for about 30 seconds. >> >> 4. wait another 30 seconds and turn on voice over. If that fails try turning on vo again. sometimes the keystroke won't take. >> >> 5. choose your language and hit continu. >> >> 6. when the set up appears go to the manu bar and go to utilities. >> >> 7. go to password reset and reset your password.. >> >> 8. quit that utility and then quite the set up and restart. >> >> All should be ell. >> On Mar 4, 2011, at 3:35 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: >> >> > I just got my new MBP a couple of days ago. >> > this is my first Mac. >> > When setting up for the first time it asked for my name. >> > Not a problem. >> > then it asked for a password. >> > I entered nothing as I figured for now I wouldn't complicate things. >> > I typed something of no consequence into the password hint field. >> > Now, when I wish to make a big system change it asks me for my password. >> > If I enter nothing, or anything, it tells me my password or name doesn't match. >> > any help would be appreciated. >> > Kevin >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Kevin Barry >> > If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> > >> > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> > >> > >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> > >> > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 03:07:44 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 22:07:44 -0500 Subject: new setup password question, In-Reply-To: <4D996E28-CDAC-453C-8FA9-685F1E4D566D@gmail.com> References: <4d70ce86.a04de50a.3410.5695@mx.google.com> <4d718fa5.e059dc0a.6fce.002b@mx.google.com> <4D996E28-CDAC-453C-8FA9-685F1E4D566D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4d71a8fa.045d340a.529e.0043@mx.google.com> Ah, I see, I'll try it again. Tomorrow. Seems no harm was done by reinstalling the OS. At 09:14 PM 3/4/2011, you wrote: >Oh no I didn' twant you to reinstall the os. just go to the menu bar >and go to utilities after the instal comes up. >On Mar 4, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Kevin Barry wrote: > > > Sarah, > > Thanks very much, but it seems I goofed somewhere. > > i did as instructed aand the OS was reinstalled which took about an hour. > > After that I was back where I started. > > That is, I didn't have to reinstall my applications. > > I do not know if my password was reset or not but when I bring up > the menu bar I do not see a utilities option. > > What did I do wrong? > > > > At 12:09 PM 3/4/2011, you wrote: > >> Ok as promised. > >> > >> 1. turn off your computer. > >> > >> 2. stick your snl disk in there > >> > >> 3. while turning on the computer hold down the c key for about 30 seconds. > >> > >> 4. wait another 30 seconds and turn on voice over. If that fails > try turning on vo again. sometimes the keystroke won't take. > >> > >> 5. choose your language and hit continu. > >> > >> 6. when the set up appears go to the manu bar and go to utilities. > >> > >> 7. go to password reset and reset your password.. > >> > >> 8. quit that utility and then quite the set up and restart. > >> > >> All should be ell. > >> On Mar 4, 2011, at 3:35 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: > >> > >> > I just got my new MBP a couple > of days ago. > >> > this is my first Mac. > >> > When setting up for the first time it asked for my name. > >> > Not a problem. > >> > then it asked for a password. > >> > I entered nothing as I figured for now I wouldn't complicate things. > >> > I typed something of no consequence into the password hint field. > >> > Now, when I wish to make a big system change it asks me for > my password. > >> > If I enter nothing, or anything, it tells me my password or > name doesn't match. > >> > any help would be appreciated. > >> > Kevin > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Kevin Barry > >> > If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > > >> > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > >> > > >> > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > >> > > >> > > >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >> > > >> > Please remember to update your membership options periodically > by visiting the list website at: > >> > > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > >> > >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > >> > >> > >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >> > >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically > by visiting the list website at: > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 03:51:27 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 19:51:27 -0800 Subject: new setup password question, In-Reply-To: <4d71a8fa.045d340a.529e.0043@mx.google.com> References: <4d70ce86.a04de50a.3410.5695@mx.google.com> <4d718fa5.e059dc0a.6fce.002b@mx.google.com> <4D996E28-CDAC-453C-8FA9-685F1E4D566D@gmail.com> <4d71a8fa.045d340a.529e.0043@mx.google.com> Message-ID: No not really. I made the same mistake actually when I first got my mac lol! Take care. On Mar 4, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Kevin Barry wrote: > Ah, I see, > I'll try it again. > Tomorrow. > Seems no harm was done by reinstalling the OS. > > At 09:14 PM 3/4/2011, you wrote: >> Oh no I didn' twant you to reinstall the os. just go to the menu bar and go to utilities after the instal comes up. >> On Mar 4, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Kevin Barry wrote: >> >> > Sarah, >> > Thanks very much, but it seems I goofed somewhere. >> > i did as instructed aand the OS was reinstalled which took about an hour. >> > After that I was back where I started. >> > That is, I didn't have to reinstall my applications. >> > I do not know if my password was reset or not but when I bring up the menu bar I do not see a utilities option. >> > What did I do wrong? >> > >> > At 12:09 PM 3/4/2011, you wrote: >> >> Ok as promised. >> >> >> >> 1. turn off your computer. >> >> >> >> 2. stick your snl disk in there >> >> >> >> 3. while turning on the computer hold down the c key for about 30 seconds. >> >> >> >> 4. wait another 30 seconds and turn on voice over. If that fails try turning on vo again. sometimes the keystroke won't take. >> >> >> >> 5. choose your language and hit continu. >> >> >> >> 6. when the set up appears go to the manu bar and go to utilities. >> >> >> >> 7. go to password reset and reset your password.. >> >> >> >> 8. quit that utility and then quite the set up and restart. >> >> >> >> All should be ell. >> >> On Mar 4, 2011, at 3:35 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: >> >> >> >> > I just got my new MBP a couple of days ago. >> >> > this is my first Mac. >> >> > When setting up for the first time it asked for my name. >> >> > Not a problem. >> >> > then it asked for a password. >> >> > I entered nothing as I figured for now I wouldn't complicate things. >> >> > I typed something of no consequence into the password hint field. >> >> > Now, when I wish to make a big system change it asks me for my password. >> >> > If I enter nothing, or anything, it tells me my password or name doesn't match. >> >> > any help would be appreciated. >> >> > Kevin >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Kevin Barry >> >> > If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > >> >> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> > >> >> > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> > >> >> > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> > >> > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> > >> > >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> > >> > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From weavermicha at googlemail.com Sat Mar 5 05:42:18 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 05:42:18 +0000 Subject: removing applications from the i-phone Message-ID: <4d71cc4f.813ee30a.2230.05c0@mx.google.com> does anyone know how to remove applications from the i-phone? at the moment i am okay with what i have on my i-phone as i only have installed skype and bt fon but at some point i may need to remove applications i no longer require. i thought that double tapping and holding an app would do it but it obviously doesn't. i have not found anything in settings or utilities which i thought might be the appropriate places for a way of removing apps but nothing there. From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 06:49:35 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 22:49:35 -0800 Subject: removing applications from the i-phone In-Reply-To: <4d71cc4f.813ee30a.2230.05c0@mx.google.com> References: <4d71cc4f.813ee30a.2230.05c0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello. double tap and hold then when you hear the 3 rising tones double tap again just a regular double tap and confirm to remove. On Mar 4, 2011, at 9:42 PM, michael weaver wrote: > does anyone know how to remove applications from the i-phone? > at the moment i am okay with what i have on my i-phone as i only have installed skype and bt fon but at some point i may need to remove applications i no longer require. > i thought that double tapping and holding an app would do it but it obviously doesn't. > i have not found anything in settings or utilities which i thought might be the appropriate places for a way of removing apps but nothing there. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From abreier at kc.rr.com Sat Mar 5 13:11:52 2011 From: abreier at kc.rr.com (Andrea Breier) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 07:11:52 -0600 Subject: removing applications from the i-phone References: <4d71cc4f.813ee30a.2230.05c0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You were half way there. After you double tap and hold, and you hear the tones and it announce moving app, lift your finger and double tap again, then you will get the choice to delete app or not. My best regards to you all, Andrea M. Breier Spread the laughter Share the cheer Let's be happy While we're here! NET SECURITY: When forwarding email messages please consider your obligation to erase all names and email addresses. And send the message by using BCC (Blind Copy) and you will avoid spammers and viruses on the net. Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "michael weaver" To: Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 11:42 PM Subject: removing applications from the i-phone > does anyone know how to remove applications from the i-phone? > at the moment i am okay with what i have on my i-phone as i only have > installed skype and bt fon but at some point i may need to remove > applications i no longer require. > i thought that double tapping and holding an app would do it but it > obviously doesn't. > i have not found anything in settings or utilities which i thought might > be the appropriate places for a way of removing apps but nothing there. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Sat Mar 5 15:53:02 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 15:53:02 +0000 Subject: Apple mail does not recognise mail server certificate Message-ID: <17C8A609-1062-485F-B18C-9B2B9CD9866B@hopewell.org.uk> Hello, I am setting up some new mail accounts using Apple mail. They are all POP3. Whenever I start Apple mail I get messages saying that the mail server's certificate is not recognised. If I press the "connect anyway" button the mail all works fine. How can I stop these messages appearing and thereby avoid having to keep pressing the "connect anyway" button? Many thanks. Paul Hopewell From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 15:57:27 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 16:57:27 +0100 Subject: Apple mail does not recognise mail server certificate In-Reply-To: <17C8A609-1062-485F-B18C-9B2B9CD9866B@hopewell.org.uk> References: <17C8A609-1062-485F-B18C-9B2B9CD9866B@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <21D69434-FA6D-4535-BF2F-3330A08869DA@gmail.com> Hello Paul, When you see this, there should be a disclosure triangle showing you more details. You should find a "Always trust" checkbox or something similar in that box. I hope that was helpful. Regards, Nic On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:53 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello, > I am setting up some new mail accounts using Apple mail. They are all POP3. Whenever I start Apple mail I get messages saying that the mail server's certificate is not recognised. If I press the "connect anyway" button the mail all works fine. How can I stop these messages appearing and thereby avoid having to keep pressing the "connect anyway" button? > Many thanks. > > Paul Hopewell > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sat Mar 5 18:28:52 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 14:28:52 -0400 Subject: A Skype announcement question. Message-ID: Hi Folks: I have my Skype set to announce when a person comes online. The problem is that, after each announcement, I receive the message: "Skype has new window." How can I turn this message off? Thanks all over the place gang. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From james.london26 at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 18:58:18 2011 From: james.london26 at gmail.com (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 18:58:18 +0000 Subject: A Skype announcement question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <46FB4881-9DC2-4878-A0C3-0BAB8D414815@gmail.com> Hi Jim On 5 Mar 2011, at 18:28, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > I have my Skype set to announce when a person comes online. The problem is that, after each announcement, I receive the message: "Skype has new window." How can I turn this message off? Under Skype Preferences, you'll find the "disabled all visual notifications' option uner the "Notifications" tab. HTH TC :) James > Hi Folks: > > I have my Skype set to announce when a person comes online. The problem is that, after each announcement, I receive the message: "Skype has new window." How can I turn this message off? > > Thanks all over the place gang. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sat Mar 5 19:27:49 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 15:27:49 -0400 Subject: A Skype announcement question. In-Reply-To: <46FB4881-9DC2-4878-A0C3-0BAB8D414815@gmail.com> References: <46FB4881-9DC2-4878-A0C3-0BAB8D414815@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey James: Thanks all over the place. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES AUSTIN" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 2:58 PM Subject: Re: A Skype announcement question. > Hi Jim > On 5 Mar 2011, at 18:28, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >> I have my Skype set to announce when a person comes online. The problem >> is that, after each announcement, I receive the message: "Skype has new >> window." How can I turn this message off? > > Under Skype Preferences, you'll find the "disabled all visual > notifications' option uner the "Notifications" tab. > HTH > TC :) > James >> Hi Folks: >> >> I have my Skype set to announce when a person comes online. The problem >> is that, after each announcement, I receive the message: "Skype has new >> window." How can I turn this message off? >> >> Thanks all over the place gang. >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Sat Mar 5 19:30:34 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 19:30:34 +0000 Subject: removing applications from the i-phone In-Reply-To: <4d71cc4f.813ee30a.2230.05c0@mx.google.com> References: <4d71cc4f.813ee30a.2230.05c0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: HI Michael. to remove an App from the iPhone, do the following. 1. Tap around the screen until you hear the App you want to remove. 2. Double tap and hold for 2-5 seconds, at which pint, a bubble type sound will be heard, then VoiceOver will say Moving App. 3. Double tap the screen again, but do not hold. 4. VoiceOver will then say, Alert: do you want to remove this App? Double tap the Delete button. 5. You're done! Just press the Home button to return to your Home Screen. I hope this helps to solve your problem. Best regards. Lewis. :) On 5 Mar 2011, at 05:42, michael weaver wrote: > does anyone know how to remove applications from the i-phone? > at the moment i am okay with what i have on my i-phone as i only have installed skype and bt fon but at some point i may need to remove applications i no longer require. > i thought that double tapping and holding an app would do it but it obviously doesn't. > i have not found anything in settings or utilities which i thought might be the appropriate places for a way of removing apps but nothing there. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Mar 5 20:19:54 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 12:19:54 -0800 Subject: Best Buy to Provide iPads to All Retail Employees? Message-ID: <11373AEE-4E5D-4A06-AD0E-6DCF55EA02D6@gmail.com> Will this help best buy in the long run? read on. http://bit.ly/geaWJu From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Sat Mar 5 22:10:58 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 22:10:58 +0000 Subject: removing applications from the i-phone In-Reply-To: References: <4d71cc4f.813ee30a.2230.05c0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <667B902F-87C6-497C-A754-278F5698679A@googlemail.com> Hi lewis thanks for that mate. will keep that in mind could be useful for me on my Ipod. Ian McNamara. From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Sat Mar 5 22:25:26 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 22:25:26 +0000 Subject: Apple mail does not recognise mail server certificate In-Reply-To: <21D69434-FA6D-4535-BF2F-3330A08869DA@gmail.com> References: <17C8A609-1062-485F-B18C-9B2B9CD9866B@hopewell.org.uk> <21D69434-FA6D-4535-BF2F-3330A08869DA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <27003B70-BA47-40E9-866B-520BBF073AB7@hopewell.org.uk> Hello Nicc, that does the trick. Many thanks. Paul Hopewell On 5 Mar 2011, at 15:57, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hello Paul, > > When you see this, there should be a disclosure triangle showing you more details. You should find a "Always trust" checkbox or something similar in that box. > > I hope that was helpful. > > Regards, > Nic > On Mar 5, 2011, at 4:53 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > >> Hello, >> I am setting up some new mail accounts using Apple mail. They are all POP3. Whenever I start Apple mail I get messages saying that the mail server's certificate is not recognised. If I press the "connect anyway" button the mail all works fine. How can I stop these messages appearing and thereby avoid having to keep pressing the "connect anyway" button? >> Many thanks. >> >> Paul Hopewell >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sat Mar 5 22:54:35 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 18:54:35 -0400 Subject: hidden scpt (script) files. Message-ID: <651EBF10CE0944B7AC6703452F29A023@MainComputer> Hi Folks: For some reason, I am unable to locate any scpt files on my computer or on my usb drive even though I know they are there. Apparently, they are hidden. How do I resolve this problem? Thanks much gang. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From gordon-and-lynne.mobile at mac-access.net Sat Mar 5 23:13:39 2011 From: gordon-and-lynne.mobile at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 23:13:39 +0000 Subject: Apple mail does not recognise mail server certificate In-Reply-To: <17C8A609-1062-485F-B18C-9B2B9CD9866B@hopewell.org.uk> References: <17C8A609-1062-485F-B18C-9B2B9CD9866B@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: Hello Paul On 5 Mar 2011, at 15:53, Paul Hopewell wrote: > I am setting up some new mail accounts using Apple mail. They are all POP3. Whenever I start Apple mail I get messages saying that the mail server's certificate is not recognised. If I press the "connect anyway" button the mail all works fine. How can I stop these messages appearing and thereby avoid having to keep pressing the "connect anyway" button? > If I remember correctly Paul, there are 5 check boxes that you need to check. From memory, they are: 1. Remember option next time. 2. Recognised SSL certificate for incoming mail 3. Recognise SSL certificate for outgoing mail 4. Always Trust SSL certificate for incoming connection 5. Always Trust SSL certificate for outgoing connection I could be wrong, but that's how I am visualising the screen Again from memory, some of the textual descriptions are not read properly; so you just have to tick the boxes. But as long as you click them all, it should work. But it's interesting that it had problems because with most valid certificates, you don't get that prompt. So my guess is that the problem is with the certificate itself. I gather that SSL certificates have to be extremely accurately configured for the FQDN of the server and, if they are wrong in even one element, you will get horrendous problems. BTW I am sending this using our mobile network just now because we are working on the primary system and cannot use it for mail. I hope that helps. Lynne _______________________________________ Gordon & Lynne Smith; gordon-and-lynne.mobile at mac-access.net VOIP ... 6718004 at GRADWELL.NET MMS & SMS ... +44-7907-823-971 Fax: +44--1642-365-123 We sent this message using our Apple iPad; the best mobile data device in the universe! From billd at insightbb.com Sat Mar 5 23:14:23 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 18:14:23 -0500 Subject: problem solution Message-ID: Hello, Some of the problems I was having with I Tunes has been solved. Last night I updated Itunes and everything seems to be working better. take care and have a good day. I will be off the list for a few days. My wife and i are going on our honeymoon Cruise. Bill Deatherage From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun Mar 6 01:15:02 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 19:15:02 -0600 Subject: hidden scpt (script) files. In-Reply-To: <651EBF10CE0944B7AC6703452F29A023@MainComputer> References: <651EBF10CE0944B7AC6703452F29A023@MainComputer> Message-ID: You can use spotlight to search these script files, and it can show you where they are after you find one you'd like to explore in more detail. However, one place to look for apple provided script files is in the automater folder under applications. To get to spotlight,, use vo-m twice, and you will be presented with the spotlight search box. Just type in .scpt and you'll find all the files on your machine with .scpt extensions. From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Mar 6 02:27:19 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 02:27:19 +0000 Subject: Just Testing Message-ID: Please disregard this; I have just set up an account on our iPad. Lynne From lister at noeyes.dk Sun Mar 6 03:00:37 2011 From: lister at noeyes.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F8rgen_Skov_Nielsen?=) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 04:00:37 +0100 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi All Are there anyone, there have tryed to sent the dropbox team a mail and discribe the problems with dropbox and the installation. On. Best regards J?rgen Mar 4, 2011, at 12:46 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Colin > > If you were a client of ours, there is another option. It's called "Drop Ship" and it uses nothing more complex than a standard web interface which is SSL encrypted. > > It works two ways; you can email people files and request files from them. even if they are not our clients. > > But, unfortunately, we can't seem to convince people to look any any further than thaSlopbox as I I call it, or Scroogle/ > > Gordon > > > On 4 Mar 2011, at 11:23, Colin M wrote: > > Hi All! > This slopbox thing has been going on for quite a while! > Also on that other list! > So I was wondering is there another option or are we stuck with only slopbox! :] > I do not use it myself but I do not here other options, could there be another one that is more accessible? > All the best! > Colin > Qapla! > > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > > On 4 Mar 2011, at 10:58, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Annie >> >> Not here. For reasons I can't go into, it won't even run. >> >> Gordon >> >> On 4 Mar 2011, at 10:40, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: >> >> Hi. >> >> You can still do it that way, but you will have to do as following: >> 1. install the program. >> 2. open the program from the dmg image, not the program you have installed. >> 3. Now you can set it up, not easy, but with a little interacting with unknown and maybe a restart of your speech. >> >> I hope it helps. >> >> Best regards Annie. >> On 04/03/2011, at 05.36, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: >> >>> Hey Gordon, >>> >>> Thank you. When I set it up I could do it without eyes but I don't think you can now - doesn't hurt to give it a go. Back when I installed it there were 2 unknown sections on the screen but you could interact with them and select the options you wanted. Since it was already installed I only had to do an upgrade last time. >>> >>> Nick >>> >>> >>> On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:32, Gordon Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Nick, and welcome to the group, sir. That's what I'd heard, yes. I was told that the latest slop box installation wasn't accessible. OK, well, if it isn't accessible, how do you set it up? Do you need eyes? If so I'll have to wait till she wakes up. It's more than my life's worth to disturb her! >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>> >>>> On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:21, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: >>>> >>>> As far as I know, the newest version of Dropbox isn't accessible - or at least the installation isn't. You don't really need to access it afterwards, just copy and remove stuff from your folder.. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Nick >>>> On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:18, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yes. just run the app from with in the dmg and follow the prompts. I would choose the typical install which is selected by default and follow the prompts from here. Have it leave your dropbox folder in the !home directory. Oops I typed the path wrong but hopefully you know what I mean. >>>>> >>>>> Take care. >>>>> Sarah Alawami >>>>> >>>>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>>>> >>>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Wel chaps and chap-esses, I wasn't interested in this before. But I figure it might be another useful resorse; so we now have a slop box account, as a lot of people cal it, removing the disallowed expletives. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> OK, what do I need to know about setting up the ac application for this thing? Is it accessible? >>>>>> >>>>>> Gordon >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 6 04:06:46 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 20:06:46 -0800 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah we have and all they've said for about year is we know bout it and will fix it int eh next release. the next release came and no fix. On Mar 5, 2011, at 7:00 PM, J?rgen Skov Nielsen wrote: > Hi All > Are there anyone, there have tryed to sent the dropbox team a mail and discribe the problems with dropbox and the installation. > > On. > Best regards > J?rgen > Mar 4, 2011, at 12:46 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Colin >> >> If you were a client of ours, there is another option. It's called "Drop Ship" and it uses nothing more complex than a standard web interface which is SSL encrypted. >> >> It works two ways; you can email people files and request files from them. even if they are not our clients. >> >> But, unfortunately, we can't seem to convince people to look any any further than thaSlopbox as I I call it, or Scroogle/ >> >> Gordon >> >> >> On 4 Mar 2011, at 11:23, Colin M wrote: >> >> Hi All! >> This slopbox thing has been going on for quite a while! >> Also on that other list! >> So I was wondering is there another option or are we stuck with only slopbox! :] >> I do not use it myself but I do not here other options, could there be another one that is more accessible? >> All the best! >> Colin >> Qapla! >> >> Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak >> >> On 4 Mar 2011, at 10:58, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi Annie >>> >>> Not here. For reasons I can't go into, it won't even run. >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> On 4 Mar 2011, at 10:40, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: >>> >>> Hi. >>> >>> You can still do it that way, but you will have to do as following: >>> 1. install the program. >>> 2. open the program from the dmg image, not the program you have installed. >>> 3. Now you can set it up, not easy, but with a little interacting with unknown and maybe a restart of your speech. >>> >>> I hope it helps. >>> >>> Best regards Annie. >>> On 04/03/2011, at 05.36, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: >>> >>>> Hey Gordon, >>>> >>>> Thank you. When I set it up I could do it without eyes but I don't think you can now - doesn't hurt to give it a go. Back when I installed it there were 2 unknown sections on the screen but you could interact with them and select the options you wanted. Since it was already installed I only had to do an upgrade last time. >>>> >>>> Nick >>>> >>>> >>>> On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:32, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Nick, and welcome to the group, sir. That's what I'd heard, yes. I was told that the latest slop box installation wasn't accessible. OK, well, if it isn't accessible, how do you set it up? Do you need eyes? If so I'll have to wait till she wakes up. It's more than my life's worth to disturb her! >>>>> >>>>> Gordon >>>>> >>>>> On 4 Mar 2011, at 04:21, Nick Van Vlaenderen wrote: >>>>> >>>>> As far as I know, the newest version of Dropbox isn't accessible - or at least the installation isn't. You don't really need to access it afterwards, just copy and remove stuff from your folder.. >>>>> >>>>> Best, >>>>> >>>>> Nick >>>>> On 4 Mar 2011, at 05:18, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes. just run the app from with in the dmg and follow the prompts. I would choose the typical install which is selected by default and follow the prompts from here. Have it leave your dropbox folder in the !home directory. Oops I typed the path wrong but hopefully you know what I mean. >>>>>> >>>>>> Take care. >>>>>> Sarah Alawami >>>>>> >>>>>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>>>>> >>>>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>>>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>>>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 3, 2011, at 8:14 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Wel chaps and chap-esses, I wasn't interested in this before. But I figure it might be another useful resorse; so we now have a slop box account, as a lot of people cal it, removing the disallowed expletives. :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> OK, what do I need to know about setting up the ac application for this thing? Is it accessible? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Gordon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Mar 6 04:31:07 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 04:31:07 +0000 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello I am told this has been done several times. We have just sent them an email tonight giving a lot of detail. Lynne On 6 Mar 2011, at 03:00, J?rgen Skov Nielsen wrote: Are there anyone, there have tryed to sent the dropbox team a mail and discribe the problems with dropbox and the installation. From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 6 04:52:40 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 20:52:40 -0800 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yep it's unfortunate. I'm going to maybe try and wrote up to put up on cnet news or where ever a sighted blog is. There are some sighted blogs that care about access to as I read them. lol! that might get someone's attention. I have also a youtube vid explaining what's going on as well. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 5, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello > > I am told this has been done several times. We have just sent them an email tonight giving a lot of detail. > > Lynne > > On 6 Mar 2011, at 03:00, J?rgen Skov Nielsen wrote: > > Are there anyone, there have tryed to sent the dropbox team a mail and discribe the problems with dropbox and the installation. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Sun Mar 6 05:45:04 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 05:45:04 +0000 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5B21FDEE-87C2-4374-B059-AD78C7851892@mac-access.net> Hello Sarah Please be careful what you actually say. I'd hate you to get into trouble over this and I know how lawyer-trigger-happy you guys over there in the States are. :) Gordon On 6 Mar 2011, at 04:52, Sarah Alawami wrote: Yep it's unfortunate. I'm going to maybe try and wrote up to put up on cnet news or where ever a sighted blog is. There are some sighted blogs that care about access to as I read them. lol! that might get someone's attention. I have also a youtube vid explaining what's going on as well. From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 6 06:00:10 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 22:00:10 -0800 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <5B21FDEE-87C2-4374-B059-AD78C7851892@mac-access.net> References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> <5B21FDEE-87C2-4374-B059-AD78C7851892@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Oh no I would not say anything bad. but no worrie. I think it would work out. I'm more of pointing out what's wrong which in this case is the installer an the prefs pain. the rest is quite doable. Take care. On Mar 5, 2011, at 9:45 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > Please be careful what you actually say. I'd hate you to get into trouble over this and I know how lawyer-trigger-happy you guys over there in the States are. :) > > Gordon > > On 6 Mar 2011, at 04:52, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Yep it's unfortunate. I'm going to maybe try and wrote up to put up on cnet news or where ever a sighted blog is. There are some sighted blogs that care about access to as I read them. lol! that might get someone's attention. I have also a youtube vid explaining what's going on as well. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Sun Mar 6 06:28:34 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 06:28:34 +0000 Subject: Audiobook Binder; Just for speed? Message-ID: <6BA7C366-3D05-4A11-B9C5-277F42190318@mac-access.net> Hi all Can somebody resent me, privately if you like, the link to AudioBook Binder developer's website? I need it in a hurry for a project that has to be out the door by 8 AM today. Gordon From gordon at mac-access.net Sun Mar 6 06:31:55 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 06:31:55 +0000 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> <5B21FDEE-87C2-4374-B059-AD78C7851892@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Sarah That's great; just didn't want you to get your fingers burned. Although they're probably already covered with rings and stuff, I kind of get the feeling you're the kind of chick that like rings, necklaces and stuff. LOL Gordon On 6 Mar 2011, at 06:00, Sarah Alawami wrote: Oh no I would not say anything bad. but no worrie. I think it would work out. I'm more of pointing out what's wrong which in this case is the installer an the prefs pain. the rest is quite doable. From gordon at mac-access.net Sun Mar 6 06:39:57 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 06:39:57 +0000 Subject: Sumboddee wivv a Mac, Gizza 'And! Message-ID: <88A72212-DF7B-4B1E-9C0F-FCF9EE6021ED@mac-access.net> Hiya there I needs summboddee, Oh, Arr, Yare Iy Duzz, oo can 'elp wivv a project. OK, time to start being sensible. I need somebody trustworthy who happens to own a Mac who's game game to give me a hand with a very very small experiment. This experiment involves nothing too technical, nothing more than connecting to a resource from the finder. Really really difficult, I don't reckon. Any shakers, any takers? Gordon From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 6 06:46:15 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 22:46:15 -0800 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> <5B21FDEE-87C2-4374-B059-AD78C7851892@mac-access.net> Message-ID: No,. I'm one who, well, listen to my podcasts and youtube channel. lol! I've gotten some devs to listen like the ones who make dictation for the iphone, Ok about 4 o 5 of us did. Ok you take care. On Mar 5, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Sarah > > That's great; just didn't want you to get your fingers burned. Although they're probably already covered with rings and stuff, I kind of get the feeling you're the kind of chick that like rings, necklaces and stuff. LOL > > Gordon > > On 6 Mar 2011, at 06:00, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Oh no I would not say anything bad. but no worrie. I think it would work out. I'm more of pointing out what's wrong which in this case is the installer an the prefs pain. the rest is quite doable. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sun Mar 6 07:14:44 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 07:14:44 +0000 Subject: Sumboddee wivv a Mac, Gizza 'And! In-Reply-To: <88A72212-DF7B-4B1E-9C0F-FCF9EE6021ED@mac-access.net> References: <88A72212-DF7B-4B1E-9C0F-FCF9EE6021ED@mac-access.net> Message-ID: yeah i'll give it a go On 6 Mar 2011, at 06:39, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hiya there > > I needs summboddee, Oh, Arr, Yare Iy Duzz, oo can 'elp wivv a project. > > OK, time to start being sensible. I need somebody trustworthy who happens to own a Mac who's game game to give me a hand with a very very small experiment. > > This experiment involves nothing too technical, nothing more than connecting to a resource from the finder. Really really difficult, I don't reckon. > > Any shakers, any takers? > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Sun Mar 6 07:23:23 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 21:23:23 -1000 Subject: Audiobook Binder; Just for speed? In-Reply-To: <6BA7C366-3D05-4A11-B9C5-277F42190318@mac-access.net> References: <6BA7C366-3D05-4A11-B9C5-277F42190318@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Gordon, On Mar 5, 2011, at 20:28, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Can somebody resent me, privately if you like, the link to AudioBook Binder developer's website? I need it in a hurry for a project that has to be out the door by 8 AM today. If you haven't already received this, I'll paste in all the sources of audiobook joining, starting with the AudioBook Binder link: ? Audio Bookbinder http://bluezbox.com/audiobookbinder.html ? Audiobook Maker http://audiobookmaker.sourceforge.net/ ? Audiobook Builder is $9.95 from Splasm software. You can read about it here, too: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/ipod_itunes/audiobookbuilder.html Cheers, Esther From gordon at mac-access.net Sun Mar 6 07:46:58 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 07:46:58 +0000 Subject: Audiobook Binder; Just for speed? In-Reply-To: References: <6BA7C366-3D05-4A11-B9C5-277F42190318@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <154A4DC8-0F76-4542-A67E-9B86D3D032E0@mac-access.net> Hello Esther As always, excellent! Thank you so much. Gordon From shawx at westnet.com.au Sun Mar 6 08:07:12 2011 From: shawx at westnet.com.au (col shawx) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 19:07:12 +1100 Subject: Sumboddee wivv a Mac, Gizza 'And! References: <88A72212-DF7B-4B1E-9C0F-FCF9EE6021ED@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0FAD3FEE9F744F4ABC6E38E0726D2C8F@col> Hi if I can help, no problems. you can find me at: shawx at westnet.com.au later. Col. ----- Original Message ----- From: "william lomas" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 6:14 PM Subject: Re: Sumboddee wivv a Mac, Gizza 'And! > yeah i'll give it a go > > On 6 Mar 2011, at 06:39, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hiya there >> >> I needs summboddee, Oh, Arr, Yare Iy Duzz, oo can 'elp wivv a project. >> >> OK, time to start being sensible. I need somebody trustworthy who >> happens to own a Mac who's game game to give me a hand with a very very >> small experiment. >> >> This experiment involves nothing too technical, nothing more than >> connecting to a resource from the finder. Really really difficult, I >> don't reckon. >> >> Any shakers, any takers? >> >> Gordon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Mar 6 08:48:39 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 08:48:39 +0000 Subject: Sumboddee wivv a Mac, Gizza 'And! In-Reply-To: References: <88A72212-DF7B-4B1E-9C0F-FCF9EE6021ED@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello William On 6 Mar 2011, at 07:14, william lomas wrote: yeah i'll give it a go No problem, sorted now thank you. Lynne From james.london26 at gmail.com Sun Mar 6 12:17:17 2011 From: james.london26 at gmail.com (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 12:17:17 +0000 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> <5B21FDEE-87C2-4374-B059-AD78C7851892@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <46AD3D30-E0A1-4879-B7C8-4CBC307AAD12@gmail.com> Hello everyone, Coming into this a bit late, what exactly is the problem with DropBox? Thanks TC :) James On 6 Mar 2011, at 06:46, Sarah Alawami wrote: > No,. I'm one who, well, listen to my podcasts and youtube channel. lol! I've gotten some devs to listen like the ones who make dictation for the iphone, Ok about 4 o 5 of us did. > > Ok you take care. > On Mar 5, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Sarah >> >> That's great; just didn't want you to get your fingers burned. Although they're probably already covered with rings and stuff, I kind of get the feeling you're the kind of chick that like rings, necklaces and stuff. LOL >> >> Gordon >> >> On 6 Mar 2011, at 06:00, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >> Oh no I would not say anything bad. but no worrie. I think it would work out. I'm more of pointing out what's wrong which in this case is the installer an the prefs pain. the rest is quite doable. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sun Mar 6 13:31:48 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 09:31:48 -0400 Subject: hidden scpt (script) files. In-Reply-To: References: <651EBF10CE0944B7AC6703452F29A023@MainComputer> Message-ID: <7FECD7BAF64340E5B3CFAE71D8E1270F@MainComputer> Hello: I pressed the VO+Space three times, entered .scpt in the search box and was informed that there were no files. I've tried it with other files and it did work. Does anyone know why I am not able to find the .scpt files? Thanks all over the place gang. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 9:15 PM Subject: Re: hidden scpt (script) files. > You can use spotlight to search these script files, and it can show you > where they are after you find one you'd like to explore in more detail. > However, one place to look for apple provided script files is in the > automater folder under applications. > To get to spotlight,, use vo-m twice, and you will be presented with the > spotlight search box. Just type in .scpt and you'll find all the files > on your machine with .scpt extensions. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sun Mar 6 17:00:25 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 13:00:25 -0400 Subject: hidden scpt (script) files(continued.) In-Reply-To: References: <651EBF10CE0944B7AC6703452F29A023@MainComputer> Message-ID: Hello Again gang: Well, here's the deal: I can locate the .scpt files on a USB thumb drive using Spotlight; however, when I copy them to my hard drive, spotlight simply reports that there are no files. There doesn't seem to be any exclusions entered in the Spotlight seetings. I have no trouble finding text files or other files but, for the life of me, I cannot locate any .scpt files on my hard drive. Could this be a rights thing? Thanks all over the place gang. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 9:15 PM Subject: Re: hidden scpt (script) files. > You can use spotlight to search these script files, and it can show you > where they are after you find one you'd like to explore in more detail. > However, one place to look for apple provided script files is in the > automater folder under applications. > To get to spotlight,, use vo-m twice, and you will be presented with the > spotlight search box. Just type in .scpt and you'll find all the files > on your machine with .scpt extensions. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun Mar 6 17:15:24 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 11:15:24 -0600 Subject: hidden scpt (script) files(continued.) In-Reply-To: References: <651EBF10CE0944B7AC6703452F29A023@MainComputer> Message-ID: <0A34EB36-E2BA-46AA-A556-FEBB2F2D3130@softcon.com> Rights would prevent you from reading the files once they're found, but it shouldn't prevent you from finding them in the first place. I don't know why spotlight won't locate the files for you, but if you open a terminal window, go to the root of the file system (by typing cd /) then typing find ./ *.scpt it will locate all of the .scpt files for you, and tell you where they are. Hope this helps. From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sun Mar 6 17:30:15 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 13:30:15 -0400 Subject: hidden scpt (script) files(continued.) In-Reply-To: <0A34EB36-E2BA-46AA-A556-FEBB2F2D3130@softcon.com> References: <651EBF10CE0944B7AC6703452F29A023@MainComputer> <0A34EB36-E2BA-46AA-A556-FEBB2F2D3130@softcon.com> Message-ID: Travis: Thanks much for your response. So, am I to assume that folks can indeed locate .scpt files using spotlight? If so, is there a procedure that I can execute to resolve this problem? Thanks all over the place. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 1:15 PM Subject: Re: hidden scpt (script) files(continued.) > Rights would prevent you from reading the files once they're found, but > it shouldn't prevent you from finding them in the first place. > I don't know why spotlight won't locate the files for you, but if you > open a terminal window, go to the root of the file system (by typing cd > /) > then typing > find ./ *.scpt > it will locate all of the .scpt files for you, and tell you where they > are. > Hope this helps. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From moriond at mac.com Sun Mar 6 17:43:33 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 07:43:33 -1000 Subject: hidden scpt (script) files(continued.) In-Reply-To: References: <651EBF10CE0944B7AC6703452F29A023@MainComputer> Message-ID: <5E86F13D-1DAD-4378-B9FF-167594236945@mac.com> Hi Jim, I'm pretty sure that general maintenance applications such as OnyX and TinkerTool (both freeware), or Cocktail (paid) have settings that allow you to display hidden files. If you work in Terminal the Unix operating system will let you find all these files, depending on the switches you set. This is not a rights issue. Generally, the scripts files that you might access on your Mac will be in folders under the main /Library/Scripts directory for your computer, or in a similar directory under your user account: ~/Library/Scripts or else within scripts folders that you create under specific applications. For example, my iTunes AppleScripts are in ~/Library/iTunes/Scripts (and I had to create the "Scripts" folder under this directory). These should be visible to you if you are in Finder and use the Command-Shift-G ("Go to Folder") shortcut, then type or paste in one of the listed paths into the text area then press return, such as: /Library/Scripts ~/Library/Scripts ~/Library/iTunes/Scripts The initial tilde indicates your home directory; I might press Command-Shift-H and then paste in "Library/Scripts" instead of using the tilde prefix after the Command-Shift-G to search for script folders in my home directory. That way I can also use Command-Shift-G, type the slash character "/" at the beginning of the field, then paste in "Library/Scripts" with Command-V, and search for script folders in my system directory. It's mostly the system folders that are hidden from the Spotlight search to avoid users getting into trouble. If you don't have OnyX, TinkerTool, Cocktail, or one of the other utilities that allows you to unhide these files, you can either go into Terminal and type or paste the following command and then press return: defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles TRUE You will also have to restart Finder by typing or pasting in a kill command and press return to execute it: killall Finder To restore hiding files, you'd type the first defaults write command with the argument changed to FALSE, and then do the killall for Finder. Probably a safer way to handle this if you're not used to working in terminal is to get a preference pane: http://secrets.blacktree.com/ Download the "Secrets" preference pane from the above link. It will put a preferences pane named "Secrets" under your System Preferences. You can go to the main panel and check the box for "Show hidden files" by finding the listed entry (e.g. read through the options or use item chooser menu), then VO-Right to the check box column for this item and use VO-Space to check (or un-check) it. Then use item chooser menu to look for "Quit this". There will be both a text warning "You may need to quite to see changes" and a "Quit This" button. You want to navigate to the button and press it (VO-Space). This should perform the task of restarting FInder (similar to the killall command in Terminal). I can't do a complete test on this since I have my hidden files displayed already. It's an all or nothing proposition. You'll also see other system files and folders with "dot" preceding the file names. HTH. As Travis stated, the unix "find" command in Terminal also works (and is how I would find files), but this is probably an easier solution. The "Secrets" preference pane will also let you keep track of what you changed. It also lets you set other popular preferences that people might change from the command line in Terminal -- such as the file type of screen captures. Cheers, Esther On Mar 6, 2011, at 07:00, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hello Again gang: > > Well, here's the deal: I can locate the .scpt files on a USB thumb drive using Spotlight; however, when I copy them to my hard drive, spotlight simply reports that there are no files. There doesn't seem to be any exclusions entered in the Spotlight seetings. I have no trouble finding text files or other files but, for the life of me, I cannot locate any .scpt files on my hard drive. > > Could this be a rights thing? > From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun Mar 6 17:48:07 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 11:48:07 -0600 Subject: hidden scpt (script) files(continued.) In-Reply-To: <0A34EB36-E2BA-46AA-A556-FEBB2F2D3130@softcon.com> References: <651EBF10CE0944B7AC6703452F29A023@MainComputer> <0A34EB36-E2BA-46AA-A556-FEBB2F2D3130@softcon.com> Message-ID: Indeed. When I perform a spotlight search on my tiger system, spotlight reports 64 files, 20 displayed about half a second after I press enter in the search box. I'd search on a leopard box, but my laptop needs it's hd fixed, and my other mini is suffering from lack of sound output (my fault) which resulted from my upgrade of memory in it recently. Until one or both of those are fixed, I'm stuck with tiger (well, I could upgrade this mini to leopard, but then the kids would loose their classic mode they use for running all sorts of os9 games on it) From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sun Mar 6 18:25:10 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 14:25:10 -0400 Subject: hidden scpt (script) files(continued.) In-Reply-To: <5E86F13D-1DAD-4378-B9FF-167594236945@mac.com> References: <651EBF10CE0944B7AC6703452F29A023@MainComputer> <5E86F13D-1DAD-4378-B9FF-167594236945@mac.com> Message-ID: <84FCAD6C68484EB99A3AC0FE899F4FEA@MainComputer> Hey Esther: Thanks much for taking the time to explain the situation/solution to me. I appreciate it all over the place. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 1:43 PM Subject: Re: hidden scpt (script) files(continued.) > Hi Jim, > > I'm pretty sure that general maintenance applications such as OnyX and > TinkerTool (both freeware), or Cocktail (paid) have settings that allow > you to display hidden files. If you work in Terminal the Unix operating > system will let you find all these files, depending on the switches you > set. This is not a rights issue. Generally, the scripts files that you > might access on your Mac will be in folders under the main > /Library/Scripts directory for your computer, or in a similar directory > under your user account: ~/Library/Scripts or else within scripts folders > that you create under specific applications. For example, my iTunes > AppleScripts are in ~/Library/iTunes/Scripts (and I had to create the > "Scripts" folder under this directory). These should be visible to you if > you are in Finder and use the Command-Shift-G ("Go to Folder") shortcut, > then type or paste in one of the listed paths into the text area then > press return, such as: > /Library/Scripts > ~/Library/Scripts > ~/Library/iTunes/Scripts > The initial tilde indicates your home directory; I might press > Command-Shift-H and then paste in "Library/Scripts" instead of using the > tilde prefix after the Command-Shift-G to search for script folders in my > home directory. That way I can also use Command-Shift-G, type the slash > character "/" at the beginning of the field, then paste in > "Library/Scripts" with Command-V, and search for script folders in my > system directory. > > It's mostly the system folders that are hidden from the Spotlight search > to avoid users getting into trouble. If you don't have OnyX, TinkerTool, > Cocktail, or one of the other utilities that allows you to unhide these > files, you can either go into Terminal and type or paste the following > command and then press return: > defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles TRUE > You will also have to restart Finder by typing or pasting in a kill > command and press return to execute it: > killall Finder > > To restore hiding files, you'd type the first defaults write command with > the argument changed to FALSE, and then do the killall for Finder. > > Probably a safer way to handle this if you're not used to working in > terminal is to get a preference pane: > http://secrets.blacktree.com/ > > Download the "Secrets" preference pane from the above link. It will put a > preferences pane named "Secrets" under your System Preferences. You can > go to the main panel and check the box for "Show hidden files" by finding > the listed entry (e.g. read through the options or use item chooser menu), > then VO-Right to the check box column for this item and use VO-Space to > check (or un-check) it. Then use item chooser menu to look for "Quit > this". There will be both a text warning "You may need to quite to see > changes" and a "Quit This" button. You want to navigate to the button and > press it (VO-Space). This should perform the task of restarting FInder > (similar to the killall command in Terminal). > > I can't do a complete test on this since I have my hidden files displayed > already. It's an all or nothing proposition. You'll also see other > system files and folders with "dot" preceding the file names. > > HTH. As Travis stated, the unix "find" command in Terminal also works > (and is how I would find files), but this is probably an easier solution. > The "Secrets" preference pane will also let you keep track of what you > changed. It also lets you set other popular preferences that people might > change from the command line in Terminal -- such as the file type of > screen captures. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Mar 6, 2011, at 07:00, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > >> Hello Again gang: >> >> Well, here's the deal: I can locate the .scpt files on a USB thumb drive >> using Spotlight; however, when I copy them to my hard drive, spotlight >> simply reports that there are no files. There doesn't seem to be any >> exclusions entered in the Spotlight seetings. I have no trouble finding >> text files or other files but, for the life of me, I cannot locate any >> .scpt files on my hard drive. >> >> Could this be a rights thing? >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sun Mar 6 18:27:26 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 14:27:26 -0400 Subject: hidden scpt (script) files(continued.) In-Reply-To: References: <651EBF10CE0944B7AC6703452F29A023@MainComputer> <0A34EB36-E2BA-46AA-A556-FEBB2F2D3130@softcon.com> Message-ID: <093FBE3E58A547BB97612454A6942BBF@MainComputer> Hi: Come to think of it, I did upgrade my ram from 4 to 8GB a couple of days ago. Perhaps something happened there. Thanks much. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: Re: hidden scpt (script) files(continued.) > Indeed. When I perform a spotlight search on my tiger system, spotlight > reports 64 files, 20 displayed about half a second after I press enter in > the search box. > I'd search on a leopard box, but my laptop needs it's hd fixed, and my > other mini is suffering from lack of sound output (my fault) which > resulted from my upgrade of memory in it recently. Until one or both of > those are fixed, I'm stuck with tiger (well, I could upgrade this mini to > leopard, but then the kids would loose their classic mode they use for > running all sorts of os9 games on it) > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From tecraig at earthlink.net Sun Mar 6 18:30:33 2011 From: tecraig at earthlink.net (Tommy Craig) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 12:30:33 -0600 Subject: idisk public folder Message-ID: <000001cbdc2c$94aa1f80$0201000a@adaptecd1> I have setup a password protected folder on my idisk on mobileme. I would like to be able to have friends upload files to this folder. They are windows users. I keep finding references to uploading files from internet explorer but I can't seem to find exactly how this is done. There is also a idisk application for windows xp but it doesn't seem to work in windows 7. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Tommy From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sun Mar 6 18:35:43 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 14:35:43 -0400 Subject: Cocktail problem. Message-ID: Hi Folks: When I run Cocktail, I have a choice to: always allow, deny, or allow. If I choose "always allow", it continually reports, "busy." Has anyone else experienced this problem? If so, is there a solution? Thanks all over the place gang. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 6 22:28:54 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2011 14:28:54 -0800 Subject: a question about check mate Message-ID: hello to all. How does one access the settings prefs? I tap that and nothing happens. I've tap tap held but nothing happens. I've triple tapped and nothing. So how do I use this app? I set up my favorite places but now I can't find a way to remove them as I click edit and all there is is the settings screen. Thanks. From krbarry at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 00:04:08 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2011 19:04:08 -0500 Subject: installing Eudora with Rosetta? Message-ID: <4d7420f0.c43ddc0a.5f7e.0b14@mx.google.com> Folks, I would like to install Eudora which is an e-mail program I use on Windows. It was discontinued a while ago for both the PC and the Mac but it still works fine. It was written in the pre-intel era for Macs so I am told this requires the use of Rosetta. I am also told it should work on a modern Mac. the install file has an hqx extension. How do I go about this? thanks for any help. Kevin Kevin Barry If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. From james.london26 at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 01:48:19 2011 From: james.london26 at gmail.com (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 01:48:19 +0000 Subject: installing Eudora with Rosetta? In-Reply-To: <4d7420f0.c43ddc0a.5f7e.0b14@mx.google.com> References: <4d7420f0.c43ddc0a.5f7e.0b14@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0E5B9A18-2D97-4A6D-A7BD-54CA17439011@gmail.com> Hi Kevin, A word of warning. I read somewhere recently, or maybe I heard it at an Apple event thing, that come Lion, Rosetta will no longer be supported. TC :) James On 7 Mar 2011, at 00:04, Kevin Barry wrote: > Folks, > I would like to install Eudora which is an e-mail program I use on Windows. > It was discontinued a while ago for both the PC and the Mac but it still works fine. > It was written in the pre-intel era for Macs so I am told this requires the use of Rosetta. > I am also told it should work on a modern Mac. > the install file has an hqx extension. > How do I go about this? > thanks for any help. > Kevin > > > > > Kevin Barry > If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From weavermicha at googlemail.com Mon Mar 7 12:44:29 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 12:44:29 +0000 Subject: download status in safari Message-ID: <4d74d238.487ad80a.4aeb.600c@mx.google.com> how do you check the download status in safari? i have tried using vo and the left and right arrow keys in the download manager, i have tried interacting with various parts of the dialogue box and all i can get voiceover to read are the number of files in the download list and there names. the only other things i read are the close buttons etc. From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Mon Mar 7 14:58:22 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 14:58:22 +0000 Subject: download status in safari In-Reply-To: <4d74d238.487ad80a.4aeb.600c@mx.google.com> References: <4d74d238.487ad80a.4aeb.600c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3C5D4238-69B8-40D8-B590-E722F1FD01D0@googlemail.com> HI Michael. You use VO left and right arrow until you hear VoiceOver say: Downloads, List. then you interact with it twice, and then use V left and right arrows. It should tell you how much it has downloaded and time remaining, etc. Hope this helps. Lewis. On 7 Mar 2011, at 12:44, michael weaver wrote: > how do you check the download status in safari? > i have tried using vo and the left and right arrow keys in the download manager, i have tried interacting with various parts of the dialogue box and all i can get voiceover to read are the number of files in the download list and there names. > the only other things i read are the close buttons etc. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Mon Mar 7 17:50:05 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 11:50:05 -0600 Subject: Too Much Information at times from Safari Message-ID: <201103071750.p27Ho5p0003033@x.it.okstate.edu> Is there any way one can get voiceover to read only that which has changed from one screen to another? We have a resource control system here in which one must change passwords every 3 months and I totally dread the operation. It's more like an operation without anaesthesia. Each screen reads out laboriously for what would be several minutes if one didn't hit Alt a couple of times to quiet it down. After that, it is necessary to hit Tab to get to the first input field and then arrow off of that to figure out where one is if there is no tag which there usually is not. To make things more fun, there is a timer on the session that times out if you waste too much time stumbling through the system and it is necessary to start over. I am sure some of this is the way the web site re-draws the page after each selection. It would take a good 5 minutes to listen to each page and 90% of it is the same things we heard on the last screen. Thanks for any good suggestions. I am at least glad to have a system that accesses this web site but I would sure like to get the signal-to-noise ratio to a better level. From support at mac-access.net Mon Mar 7 19:52:29 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 19:52:29 +0000 Subject: Take Control; [Update] Running Windows On A Mac Message-ID: <9C97866A-728C-4D2F-B110-EE93B44EE52C@mac-access.net> Hello everybody I apologise for not informing the group of this earlier. It's been another rough day in paradise. Now that running Windows on an Intel-based Mac has become commonplace, you might think that it has also become easy. Alas, the gods of technology have yet to make it so, and making Windows run smoothly can still be a Herculean task. This fact also keeps Mac writers like Joe Kissell busy, and, thanks to Joe's unstoppable curiosity, we've just released the helpful and comprehensive, 178-page "Take Control of Running Windows on a Mac, Fifth Edition." The ebook is available for $15 via the TC website, or at an 80% discount via Mac-Access.Net. "Take Control of Running Windows on a Mac, Fifth Edition" kicks off by helping you figure out which version of Windows you should run (XP, Vista, or 7) and which virtualization software makes sense for you (Parallels Desktop 6, VMware Fusion 3, or VirtualBox 4) or whether you should dual-boot with Apple's Boot Camp. Next up, Joe helps you round up the necessary hardware and software, and make any obligatory preparations. Mid-way through the ebook, you'll be making it all work right with hardware drivers installed, printers printing, anti-virus software patrolling the perimeter, and so forth. Before you finish, you'll know how to share files between Mac and Windows installations, enjoy the snazzy new features in the latest versions of Parallels Desktop and VMware Fusion, create functional backups of your Windows installation, and generally get on with your life while using Windows. Questions answered in the ebook include: * What are 13 things that you can do in Windows, but not on the Mac? * How can I get a copy of Windows that will work on a Mac? * How can I set things up so that Windows won't bog down my Mac's backups? * How should I handle partitioning for my Windows installation? * How can I avoid or handle activation hassles? * What's the best way to right-click in Windows? * How do I make my Bluetooth devices work in Windows? * What is FAT32, and why might it matter to me? * What are the coolest new features in Parallels Desktop 6? * Is VirtualBox 4 a serious contender in the world of virtualization? If you're interested in buying this book from us, please feel free to contact and we'll be happy to help. Lynne From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Mon Mar 7 20:21:06 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 14:21:06 -0600 Subject: Too Much Information at times from Safari Sort of Solved Message-ID: <201103072021.p27KL6ms003718@x.it.okstate.edu> It looks like one can make things a little less painful by going in to the VoiceOver utility VO-F8, and selecting the Web main header and then adjusting the check boxes in the menu of items that are automatically read when a new page loads. On the site in question, it is still pretty clunky but at least there is not quite as much verbage to listen to so one can get the job done faster which is the reason for wanting to adjust things. From gordonkeen at googlemail.com Mon Mar 7 21:34:43 2011 From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 21:34:43 +0000 Subject: Take Control; [Update] Running Windows On A Mac In-Reply-To: <9C97866A-728C-4D2F-B110-EE93B44EE52C@mac-access.net> References: <9C97866A-728C-4D2F-B110-EE93B44EE52C@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4F8F30F9-2B2A-4BFA-A5AB-312B90F39A69@googlemail.com> Schoolboy smirk. Please sir, isn't this off topic for this list sir? Snort! Cheers G From glorious Devon, England. On 7 Mar 2011, at 19:52, Gordon & Lynne Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > I apologise for not informing the group of this earlier. It's been another rough day in paradise. > > Now that running Windows on an Intel-based Mac has become commonplace, you might think that it has also become easy. Alas, the gods of technology have yet to make it so, and making Windows run smoothly can still be a Herculean task. This fact also keeps Mac writers like Joe Kissell busy, and, thanks to Joe's unstoppable curiosity, we've just released the helpful and comprehensive, 178-page "Take Control of Running Windows on a Mac, Fifth Edition." The ebook is available for $15 via the TC website, or at an 80% discount via Mac-Access.Net. > > "Take Control of Running Windows on a Mac, Fifth Edition" kicks off by helping you figure out which version of Windows you should run (XP, Vista, or 7) and which virtualization software makes sense for you (Parallels Desktop 6, VMware Fusion 3, or VirtualBox 4) or whether you should dual-boot with Apple's Boot Camp. Next up, Joe helps you round up the necessary hardware and software, and make any obligatory preparations. Mid-way through the ebook, you'll be making it all work right with hardware drivers installed, printers printing, anti-virus software patrolling the perimeter, and so forth. Before you finish, you'll know how to share files between Mac and Windows installations, enjoy the snazzy new features in the latest versions of Parallels Desktop and VMware Fusion, create functional backups of your Windows installation, and generally get on with your life while using Windows. > > Questions answered in the ebook include: > > * What are 13 things that you can do in Windows, but not on the Mac? > * How can I get a copy of Windows that will work on a Mac? > * How can I set things up so that Windows won't bog down my Mac's backups? > * How should I handle partitioning for my Windows installation? > * How can I avoid or handle activation hassles? > * What's the best way to right-click in Windows? > * How do I make my Bluetooth devices work in Windows? > * What is FAT32, and why might it matter to me? > * What are the coolest new features in Parallels Desktop 6? > * Is VirtualBox 4 a serious contender in the world of virtualization? > > If you're interested in buying this book from us, please feel free to contact and we'll be happy to help. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From khwicca at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 21:48:12 2011 From: khwicca at gmail.com (Kristeen Hughes) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 16:48:12 -0500 Subject: Playlists in iTunes Question In-Reply-To: <17C8A609-1062-485F-B18C-9B2B9CD9866B@hopewell.org.uk> References: <17C8A609-1062-485F-B18C-9B2B9CD9866B@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <7B3FED61-A363-4031-8C6C-8055051CB2AF@gmail.com> I have made playlists on my PC computer with iTunes. I'd like them on my Mac as well. Is this possible and, if so, how? Thanks. Kristeen From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Mar 7 22:17:07 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 14:17:07 -0800 Subject: Playlists in iTunes Question In-Reply-To: <7B3FED61-A363-4031-8C6C-8055051CB2AF@gmail.com> References: <17C8A609-1062-485F-B18C-9B2B9CD9866B@hopewell.org.uk> <7B3FED61-A363-4031-8C6C-8055051CB2AF@gmail.com> Message-ID: I believe you can transfer the library data base right to the root of your itunes folder under ~music. That's wht I did. Take care. On Mar 7, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: > I have made playlists on my PC computer with iTunes. I'd like them on my Mac as well. Is this possible and, if so, how? > > Thanks. > > Kristeen > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Tue Mar 8 00:42:27 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 20:42:27 -0400 Subject: VMware and Windows 7 on a MackBook Pro. Message-ID: <186C4470415944D48F2B99838E4A4DAA@MainComputer> Hi Folks: I'm not sure if this subject is kosher on this list: if not, can someone point me to a place where I can ask some questions about a problem installation that I am having? Thanks all over the place gang. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From desiandcandy at q.com Tue Mar 8 03:07:55 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 20:07:55 -0700 Subject: Introduction Message-ID: Hi Everyone, My name is Desi and I live in Phoenix, Arizona. I am a blind Mac user who just got my iMac about 5 weeks ago. I've been trying to join this list since the end of last week. Due to various e-mail difficulties it took me until tonight to get on. Thanks to Lynne and Gordon both for their patience during this process! I am delighted to be here, and am looking forward to meeting you all and learning a lot! Desi From lmumford at uga.edu Tue Mar 8 02:53:10 2011 From: lmumford at uga.edu (Linda Mumford) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 02:53:10 +0000 Subject: Questions about getting a mac Message-ID: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283003FDE131@SN1PRD0201MB100.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> Hello all. I just joined this group and I have to admit that I can't understand most of what you are talking about.. wry smile. I have always used a PC but am thinking about getting a mac. I hope you don't mind answering what may seem to be pretty basic questions to most of you: 1. I need a laptop for writing documents (currently use word), surfing the net, and for scanning my mail. What's the difference between the Mac air, MacBook, and the MacBook Pro? 2. Is Safari as good as internet explorer accessibility-wise? 3. I understand that OpenBook software is not compatible with the Mac. If this is so, what scanning software do you use? Much thanks for your time and patience, Linda Mumford From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 05:37:20 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 21:37:20 -0800 Subject: Apple Cutting Some Software and Peripherals From Retail Store Displays? Message-ID: Is this a wise move on apple's part? read more: http://bit.ly/hyruRg From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 07:12:41 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 01:12:41 -0600 Subject: Jailbreak: iPHone Explorer app Message-ID: I've jailbroken, but am having difficulty in getting Icy, packages, sound scheme etc onto jailbroken iPHone. I've tried on Mac OS X using iPhone Explorer, which uses drag/and drop, which VoiceOver doesn't handle well. I've also used Phone Disk, which yells an error each time I paste Icy and packages. And when browsing to paste Sound scheme, it can't open directory for VoiceOver Touch.app. windows 7 64-bit: Phone Disk doesn't work, iFunBox isn't accessible, and iPhone Folders isn't compatible. What do people suggest and have got to work? From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 07:32:43 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 23:32:43 -0800 Subject: Jailbreak: iPHone Explorer app In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: someone on twitter suggested red snow but I have yet to findout wha that is. tAke care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 7, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: > I've jailbroken, but am having difficulty in getting Icy, packages, sound scheme etc onto jailbroken iPHone. > I've tried on Mac OS X using iPhone Explorer, which uses drag/and drop, which VoiceOver doesn't handle well. I've also used Phone Disk, which yells an error each time I paste Icy and packages. And when browsing to paste Sound scheme, it can't open directory for VoiceOver Touch.app. > > windows 7 64-bit: Phone Disk doesn't work, iFunBox isn't accessible, and iPhone Folders isn't compatible. > > What do people suggest and have got to work? > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 07:39:58 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 08:39:58 +0100 Subject: Jailbreak: iPHone Explorer app In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I have a similar problem. I stopped jail breaking when it turned out my iPhone kicked my entire network offline on reboot. I'd be curious to know why that might be despite following the steps and using Greenpois0n, but since it's a tethered jailbreak by the look of it, I can't justify it. Even if it wasn't, I'd still be unable to justify it. Also, PhoneDisk for mac works pretty ok. Regards, Nic P.S. The fact that Cydia should have VoiceOver accessibility in next version is fun times. On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > someone on twitter suggested red snow but I have yet to findout wha that is. > > tAke care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On Mar 7, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: > >> I've jailbroken, but am having difficulty in getting Icy, packages, sound scheme etc onto jailbroken iPHone. >> I've tried on Mac OS X using iPhone Explorer, which uses drag/and drop, which VoiceOver doesn't handle well. I've also used Phone Disk, which yells an error each time I paste Icy and packages. And when browsing to paste Sound scheme, it can't open directory for VoiceOver Touch.app. >> >> windows 7 64-bit: Phone Disk doesn't work, iFunBox isn't accessible, and iPhone Folders isn't compatible. >> >> What do people suggest and have got to work? >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 07:59:32 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 23:59:32 -0800 Subject: Jailbreak: iPHone Explorer app In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <48B9ABEA-F4CB-4BF8-AD16-F6EFDB6D7571@gmail.com> Hey! Cool! On Mar 7, 2011, at 11:39 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > I have a similar problem. I stopped jail breaking when it turned out my iPhone kicked my entire network offline on reboot. I'd be curious to know why that might be despite following the steps and using Greenpois0n, but since it's a tethered jailbreak by the look of it, I can't justify it. Even if it wasn't, I'd still be unable to justify it. > > Also, PhoneDisk for mac works pretty ok. > > Regards, > Nic > P.S. The fact that Cydia should have VoiceOver accessibility in next version is fun times. > On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> someone on twitter suggested red snow but I have yet to findout wha that is. >> >> tAke care. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On Mar 7, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: >> >>> I've jailbroken, but am having difficulty in getting Icy, packages, sound scheme etc onto jailbroken iPHone. >>> I've tried on Mac OS X using iPhone Explorer, which uses drag/and drop, which VoiceOver doesn't handle well. I've also used Phone Disk, which yells an error each time I paste Icy and packages. And when browsing to paste Sound scheme, it can't open directory for VoiceOver Touch.app. >>> >>> windows 7 64-bit: Phone Disk doesn't work, iFunBox isn't accessible, and iPhone Folders isn't compatible. >>> >>> What do people suggest and have got to work? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From simon at scavendish.co.uk Tue Mar 8 08:33:08 2011 From: simon at scavendish.co.uk (Simon Cavendish) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 08:33:08 +0000 Subject: Playlists in iTunes Question In-Reply-To: References: <17C8A609-1062-485F-B18C-9B2B9CD9866B@hopewell.org.uk> <7B3FED61-A363-4031-8C6C-8055051CB2AF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <81D45044-86B8-435A-B821-83FB6B994998@scavendish.co.uk> There are some detailed articles on the internet if you do a search via google how to transfer your library and playlists both on mac and windows. On 7 Mar 2011, at 22:17, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I believe you can transfer the library data base right to the root of your itunes folder under ~music. That's wht I did. > > Take care. > On Mar 7, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: > >> I have made playlists on my PC computer with iTunes. I'd like them on my Mac as well. Is this possible and, if so, how? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Kristeen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From simon at scavendish.co.uk Tue Mar 8 08:44:41 2011 From: simon at scavendish.co.uk (Simon Cavendish) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 08:44:41 +0000 Subject: Questions about getting a mac In-Reply-To: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283003FDE131@SN1PRD0201MB100.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> References: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283003FDE131@SN1PRD0201MB100.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Linda Mumford wrote: > > 1. I need a laptop for writing documents (currently use word), surfing the net, and for scanning my mail. What's the difference between the Mac air, MacBook, and the MacBook Pro? These are all laptop types mac computers which differ by weight, shape, power and specifications but they are all very good machines. Macbook air is the latest, the lightest model, with solid flash type memory but it is also one of the most expensive options. > 2. Is Safari as good as internet explorer accessibility-wise? I came to mac from Windows, and I had to learn an awful lot as the way you operate your screen reader is different. Now, I wouldn't go back to Windows. Safari is great although at times and only with some actions Internet Explorer and Jaws would appear to accomplish tasks more quickkly. However, I wouldn't go back to Internet Explorer. Once you learn how to use Voiceover on the Internet and nderstand various tricks, you should be fine. But please bear in mind that it will be a different experience and one needs to accept it. > > 3. I understand that OpenBook software is not compatible with the Mac. If this is so, what scanning software do you use? I use two pieces of software in conjunction with each other. I use Vuescan to scan my text to image files, and I use Abbyy Express FineReader to recgonise the image files into text. The latter piece of software has the ability to recognise two languages at a time which I find helpful for recognising bilingual material. > Hope this will help somewhat. Others on the list have more technical knowledge andI am sure that they will post answers to your questions too. There are various podcasts on the internet describing how to use various features of a mac computer or related software with Voiceover. > Much thanks for your time and patience, > Linda Mumford > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk Tue Mar 8 09:47:23 2011 From: harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk (Ian Harrison) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 09:47:23 +0000 Subject: Complicated TNAUK questions Message-ID: Hello to all and sorry for the long posting. I have recently moved from windows to Mac and using an iphone. I subscribe to the TNAUK service. I receive newspapers by email and save them to a BookCourier to listen to. I bookmark good articles and then save them using A Technic newsreader. On the pc, this program splits the word document into html in a hierarchy of links to each separate article. This made it easy for me to find and save my favourite ones. My BookCourier is dying and I would like to just use my iphone to do the job, but I want to be able to navigate to individual articles and copy them onto my mac for future reference. Do any of you have experience of using TNAUK on the iphone and copying articles onto the Mac? If so, can you offer me some tips and advice on the best way to achieve what I used to do with ease on the pc and Bookcourier. With thanks Ian From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 09:52:47 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 09:52:47 +0000 Subject: Complicated TNAUK questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4838E98E-CECB-4D47-8237-89186684003A@gmail.com> You could just read the whole paper on your iphone itself? NOt sure how it works though in HTML since on my mac the sample i tried would not read and voiceover kept locking up On 8 Mar 2011, at 09:47, Ian Harrison wrote: > Hello to all and sorry for the long posting. > > I have recently moved from windows to Mac and using an iphone. I subscribe to the TNAUK service. I receive newspapers by email and save them to a BookCourier to listen to. I bookmark good articles and then save them using A Technic newsreader. On the pc, this program splits the word document into html in a hierarchy of links to each separate article. This made it easy for me to find and save my favourite ones. > > My BookCourier is dying and I would like to just use my iphone to do the job, but I want to be able to navigate to individual articles and copy them onto my mac for future reference. > > Do any of you have experience of using TNAUK on the iphone and copying articles onto the Mac? If so, can you offer me some tips and advice on the best way to achieve what I used to do with ease on the pc and Bookcourier. > > With thanks > Ian > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mattchao at verizon.net Tue Mar 8 10:14:32 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 05:14:32 -0500 Subject: Apple Cutting Some Software and Peripherals From Retail Store Displays? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0LHQ00AUMHSDD520@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, Sarah! Looked at the article. Taking stuff out of the display area will reenforce the myth that there isn't a lot out there for the Mac. That's always been my sticking point on whether to buy a Mac in the first place. And frankly, I haven't been able to figure out how to make the app store work on my MacBook Pro. Very frustrating. Any tips? --Matthew Chao At 12:37 AM 3/8/2011, you wrote: >Is this a wise move on apple's part? read more: > > >http://bit.ly/hyruRg >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 5934 (20110307) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com From lizannhammer86 at googlemail.com Tue Mar 8 10:22:25 2011 From: lizannhammer86 at googlemail.com (Elizabeth Hammer) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 10:22:25 +0000 Subject: Hi! Message-ID: <37150B83-C257-4683-ADB4-4530F1D665E9@googlemail.com> Hi Desi and all other group members. My name is Liz and I too am a new member. Enjoy! Liz. From lizannhammer86 at googlemail.com Tue Mar 8 10:32:31 2011 From: lizannhammer86 at googlemail.com (Elizabeth Hammer) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 10:32:31 +0000 Subject: Apple proposals. Message-ID: <1ABB2B22-DACA-43DD-B2AC-424E7A26D7F9@googlemail.com> Hi Sarah, I don't see a problem with this, as long as the items are still available in-store and that the sales person does actually tell customers about the products that are not on show. Also, you or any customer would no doubt know if you needed a new printer, hard drive etc. All the best, Liz. From gordon at mac-access.net Tue Mar 8 12:00:52 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 12:00:52 +0000 Subject: Take Control Owners; Please Read! Message-ID: <2F254F80-1E0F-43AD-982F-AE547C46522E@mac-access.net> Hi all if you're one of those who has expressed an interest in the new version of Running Windows a Mac, we need to hear from you if: A. You already bought the previous version. B. When you bought it. You may be entitled to a free update; we will honour that entitlement. Gordon From simon at scavendish.co.uk Tue Mar 8 12:35:30 2011 From: simon at scavendish.co.uk (Simon Cavendish) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 12:35:30 +0000 Subject: Take Control Owners; Please Read! In-Reply-To: <2F254F80-1E0F-43AD-982F-AE547C46522E@mac-access.net> References: <2F254F80-1E0F-43AD-982F-AE547C46522E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <26D24FC3-D856-40A3-9640-414A7B54AF60@scavendish.co.uk> Dear Gordon, I have already e-e-mailed you on the subject but in case you did not receive it, I do own a copy third edition. I bought it from "take control Books" directly and was not entitled to a free update so I assume that I wouldnot be at mac-access either. I am quite happy to purchase it. With best wishes Simon On 8 Mar 2011, at 12:00, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > if you're one of those who has expressed an interest in the new version of Running Windows a Mac, we need to hear from you if: > > A. You already bought the previous version. > > B. When you bought it. > > You may be entitled to a free update; we will honour that entitlement. > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From sandratomkins at googlemail.com Tue Mar 8 12:46:21 2011 From: sandratomkins at googlemail.com (Sandy Tomkins) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 12:46:21 +0000 Subject: Complicated TNAUK questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Sorry for the quality of my typing, am on the train and my Think Outside keyboard is light on the trigger! I think there are two ways of doing what yu want. 1. When using your iPhone and reading an article, just double tap and hold in tyhe centre of the screen. While still holding down on the second tap you should hear a sort of bobbly noise, lift your finger and then just wait a second or two and you will hear another trill, if you then touch the centre of the screen again, you should hear "select" flick right and you should hear "select all" double tap this, touchthe centre of the screen again and hear "copy" do that! I then opened notes, stated a new one and pasted into there the article! The other way is with a bt keyboard but Iam coming into the station! AAAAAgh! sandy. Sent from my iPhone On 8 Mar 2011, at 09:47, Ian Harrison wrote: > Hello to all and sorry for the long posting. > > I have recently moved from windows to Mac and using an iphone. I subscribe to the TNAUK service. I receive newspapers by email and save them to a BookCourier to listen to. I bookmark good articles and then save them using A Technic newsreader. On the pc, this program splits the word document into html in a hierarchy of links to each separate article. This made it easy for me to find and save my favourite ones. > > My BookCourier is dying and I would like to just use my iphone to do the job, but I want to be able to navigate to individual articles and copy them onto my mac for future reference. > > Do any of you have experience of using TNAUK on the iphone and copying articles onto the Mac? If so, can you offer me some tips and advice on the best way to achieve what I used to do with ease on the pc and Bookcourier. > > With thanks > Ian > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Tue Mar 8 13:11:36 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 13:11:36 +0000 Subject: New Member Welcome Message-ID: <656E82CA-D38A-441D-AD65-786D9CF47A86@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Please do not reply to this thread on list unless your reply has a direct relevance to their Mac use or interest. This one gives me especially great pleasure, because of the problems Desi encountered for some reason when trying to subscribe. We are going through a little bit of a rough time just now and weren't able to assist as readily as we usually do. But I would remind the group that, for list-related issue, we do also have assistant list controllers for those times when we are not able to be on hand. It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome Desi Noller to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but have a keen interest. We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope this clarifies the position. If you have any list-related queries, please do not hesitate to contact either Gordon and myself, (the list owners), at , or one of our very capable assistant list controllers; Anne Robertson, or James Austin, and we will be happy to help you. Once again, a very warm welcome to the group. We hope you find your membership an enjoyable experience. Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk Tue Mar 8 14:38:20 2011 From: harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk (Ian Harrison) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 14:38:20 +0000 Subject: Pogo Plus Message-ID: <0F47E8F1-1720-404F-9AD7-7CB03D91CBF1@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Hi, Has anyone had experience of setting up and using this ? Also, can anyone tell me what format I can use so that both a pc and mac can read and write to a drive, and which computer should be used to do the formatting? Many thanks Ian From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Mar 8 14:42:37 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 08:42:37 -0600 Subject: Pogo Plus In-Reply-To: <0F47E8F1-1720-404F-9AD7-7CB03D91CBF1@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> References: <0F47E8F1-1720-404F-9AD7-7CB03D91CBF1@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <8CA0A76E-6611-4688-93E4-2276CB2DDF16@softcon.com> No idea about the app you mentioned. However, for widest compatibility across as many oses as possible (dos, windows, linux, osx, others) use fat or fat32. Everyone supports those. I suspect ntfs will catch on eventually, but a lot of os distros (including osx) can't write ntfs format, even though they can read it (though on osx, it requires a 3rd-party driver I think) although personally, I always thought ext2 or (if you need journaling) ext3 was a better system. but that's the way it goes. :) hth. From harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk Tue Mar 8 15:13:37 2011 From: harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk (Ian Harrison) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:13:37 +0000 Subject: Pogo Plus In-Reply-To: <8CA0A76E-6611-4688-93E4-2276CB2DDF16@softcon.com> References: <0F47E8F1-1720-404F-9AD7-7CB03D91CBF1@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> <8CA0A76E-6611-4688-93E4-2276CB2DDF16@softcon.com> Message-ID: <5C937D66-59AC-4CDE-9BBD-C21E222461D3@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Sorry I wasn't clear. Pogo Plus is a piece of hardware that connects usb external drives to a router giving network access. Why would I want journalling? What does that give me? Many thanks Ian On 08 March 2011, at 14:42, Travis Siegel wrote: > No idea about the app you mentioned. > However, for widest compatibility across as many oses as possible (dos, windows, linux, osx, others) use fat or fat32. Everyone supports those. > I suspect ntfs will catch on eventually, but a lot of os distros (including osx) can't write ntfs format, even though they can read it (though on osx, it requires a 3rd-party driver I think) although personally, I always thought ext2 or (if you need journaling) ext3 was a better system. > > but that's the way it goes. :) > hth. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From weavermicha at googlemail.com Tue Mar 8 15:31:07 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 15:31:07 +0000 Subject: flash player Message-ID: <4d764ac1.813ee30a.5448.3176@mx.google.com> has anyone managed to install flash player and if so, how? i get as far as entering my system password and don't see the installation progressing to the end. it is like it hangs when it is about to install and it does nothing, forcing me to close the installer. From support at mac-access.net Tue Mar 8 16:06:52 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:06:52 +0000 Subject: Take Control Books Message-ID: <8703371B-8E16-4083-A453-30932508CCBE@mac-access.net> Good afternoon everybody Gordon has been hard at work during my hours caring for the future generation of local community members. ;) All of you who have previously purchased the "Take Contro of Running Windows On A Mac", and who are entitled to a free update to the 5th edition will find the update now in your bookshelf, in both PDF and eBook formats. Those of you who have expressed an interest privately in buying the book will need to contact the support addres,s if you haven't already done so. To avoid the need for you to ask us how to buy the books, here is waht you need to do and it really is quite simple. 1. Write a message to with the words "Take Control" somewhere in the subject line. 2. Provide us with an active email address where we can reach you with a PayPal money request. 3. Authorise us to send you that money request. (Note: this step is important because we use it as an additional security mechanism in the event of disputed purchase. That really is all there is to it. We'll do the rest and you only need to send us the money then wait for your books. Lynne From julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com Tue Mar 8 16:20:07 2011 From: julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com (Julie Vaughan) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:20:07 +0000 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9FE37B6F-A9A9-4F56-BF65-1F4658159CD5@virginmedia.com> Hi there desi welcome to the list its very friendly and im sure u will get loads of tips and help its a great place smiley face jules from the uk On 8 Mar 2011, at 03:07, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > My name is Desi and I live in Phoenix, Arizona. I am a blind Mac user who just got my iMac about 5 weeks ago. I've been trying to join this list since the end of last week. Due to various e-mail difficulties it took me until tonight to get on. Thanks to Lynne and Gordon both for their patience during this process! I am delighted to be here, and am looking forward to meeting you all and learning a lot! > > Desi > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lavendar at bell.net Tue Mar 8 16:21:28 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Cait and Nicky's Mail) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 11:21:28 -0500 Subject: Take Control Books In-Reply-To: <8703371B-8E16-4083-A453-30932508CCBE@mac-access.net> References: <8703371B-8E16-4083-A453-30932508CCBE@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Lynn, Can you provide a list of the books, please? Mark nd I just took the plunge today and got Macs!! Mine is a new I 5 and his is a refurb I 3! I am soooo excited! They should be here next week! Thanks, Caitlyn in Canada On 3/8/2011 11:06 AM, Gordon & Lynne Smith wrote: > Good afternoon everybody > > Gordon has been hard at work during my hours caring for the future generation of local community members. ;) > > All of you who have previously purchased the "Take Contro of Running Windows On A Mac", and who are entitled to a free update to the 5th edition will find the update now in your bookshelf, in both PDF and eBook formats. > > Those of you who have expressed an interest privately in buying the book will need to contact the support addres,s if you haven't already done so. To avoid the need for you to ask us how to buy the books, here is waht you need to do and it really is quite simple. > > 1. Write a message to with the words "Take Control" somewhere in the subject line. > > 2. Provide us with an active email address where we can reach you with a PayPal money request. > > 3. Authorise us to send you that money request. (Note: this step is important because we use it as an additional security mechanism in the event of disputed purchase. > > That really is all there is to it. We'll do the rest and you only need to send us the money then wait for your books. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 16:15:38 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 10:15:38 -0600 Subject: Jailbreak: iPHone Explorer app In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0B771339-64C1-480A-AA69-D85734A3DCEA@gmail.com> Hi Nic, I'm using Greenpois0n, don't have any issues with me getting kicked off network upon reboot etc. I have Phone Disk for Mac, but I can browse to /system/library/core services/VoiceOver.app, it throws an error. When pasting Icy, packages, etc to /var/root/Media/Cydia/Autoinstall, it also throws an error. Restarting iPHone twice doesn't show any JB stuff that was transferred. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2011, at 1:39 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > I have a similar problem. I stopped jail breaking when it turned out my iPhone kicked my entire network offline on reboot. I'd be curious to know why that might be despite following the steps and using Greenpois0n, but since it's a tethered jailbreak by the look of it, I can't justify it. Even if it wasn't, I'd still be unable to justify it. > > Also, PhoneDisk for mac works pretty ok. > > Regards, > Nic > P.S. The fact that Cydia should have VoiceOver accessibility in next version is fun times. > On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:32 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> someone on twitter suggested red snow but I have yet to findout wha that is. >> >> tAke care. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On Mar 7, 2011, at 11:12 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: >> >>> I've jailbroken, but am having difficulty in getting Icy, packages, sound scheme etc onto jailbroken iPHone. >>> I've tried on Mac OS X using iPhone Explorer, which uses drag/and drop, which VoiceOver doesn't handle well. I've also used Phone Disk, which yells an error each time I paste Icy and packages. And when browsing to paste Sound scheme, it can't open directory for VoiceOver Touch.app. >>> >>> windows 7 64-bit: Phone Disk doesn't work, iFunBox isn't accessible, and iPhone Folders isn't compatible. >>> >>> What do people suggest and have got to work? >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com Tue Mar 8 16:24:07 2011 From: julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com (Julie Vaughan) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:24:07 +0000 Subject: Hi! In-Reply-To: <37150B83-C257-4683-ADB4-4530F1D665E9@googlemail.com> References: <37150B83-C257-4683-ADB4-4530F1D665E9@googlemail.com> Message-ID: hi liz welcome to the group jules On 8 Mar 2011, at 10:22, Elizabeth Hammer wrote: > Hi Desi and all other group members. > > My name is Liz and I too am a new member. Enjoy! > > Liz. > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Tue Mar 8 16:47:04 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 09:47:04 -0700 Subject: Questions about getting a mac In-Reply-To: References: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283003FDE131@SN1PRD0201MB100.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Simon, Are you willing to share the tricks you've found for using Safari? I am still quite new to the Mac, but have had fairly good success using Safari, also as a former JAWS with Windows Explorer user. Anything you've discovered that would make Safari even easier to use would be most appreciated! A fellow Mac user friend of mine helped me set up my Safari preferences, for which I have been most grateful! She showed me how to use the web rotor, and I have the numpad Commander turned on as well. Is there anything else I should know about? Thanks in advance! Desi On Mar 8, 2011, at 1:44 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote: > > Linda Mumford wrote: > >> >> 1. I need a laptop for writing documents (currently use word), surfing the net, and for scanning my mail. What's the difference between the Mac air, MacBook, and the MacBook Pro? > These are all laptop types mac computers which differ by weight, shape, power and specifications but they are all very good machines. Macbook air is the latest, the lightest model, with solid flash type memory but it is also one of the most expensive options. > >> 2. Is Safari as good as internet explorer accessibility-wise? > I came to mac from Windows, and I had to learn an awful lot as the way you operate your screen reader is different. Now, I wouldn't go back to Windows. Safari is great although at times and only with some actions Internet Explorer and Jaws would appear to accomplish tasks more quickkly. However, I wouldn't go back to Internet Explorer. Once you learn how to use Voiceover on the Internet and nderstand various tricks, you should be fine. But please bear in mind that it will be a different experience and one needs to accept it. >> >> 3. I understand that OpenBook software is not compatible with the Mac. If this is so, what scanning software do you use? > I use two pieces of software in conjunction with each other. I use Vuescan to scan my text to image files, and I use Abbyy Express FineReader to recgonise the image files into text. The latter piece of software has the ability to recognise two languages at a time which I find helpful for recognising bilingual material. >> Hope this will help somewhat. Others on the list have more technical knowledge andI am sure that they will post answers to your questions too. There are various podcasts on the internet describing how to use various features of a mac computer or related software with Voiceover. >> Much thanks for your time and patience, >> Linda Mumford >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Tue Mar 8 16:49:29 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:49:29 +0000 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: <9FE37B6F-A9A9-4F56-BF65-1F4658159CD5@virginmedia.com> References: <9FE37B6F-A9A9-4F56-BF65-1F4658159CD5@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: hi desi welcome to the list. i am a relativly new mac user although as i now use it as my primary computer it does not feel like that any more. learning a lot from this list and by tinkering a little with things. Ian McNamara england u k From roger.firman at btinternet.com Tue Mar 8 16:59:12 2011 From: roger.firman at btinternet.com (Roger Firman) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:59:12 -0000 Subject: New to this List Message-ID: Hello, I have just joined and look forward to learning more about Apple computers and matters relating to accessibility. While I don't currently have a Mac, I am wishing to investigate this possibility and how I might use such a machine with Windows applications, where there is not an alternative. Roger Firman. From lizannhammer86 at googlemail.com Tue Mar 8 17:01:42 2011 From: lizannhammer86 at googlemail.com (Elizabeth Hammer) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:01:42 +0000 Subject: Hi! In-Reply-To: References: <37150B83-C257-4683-ADB4-4530F1D665E9@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <859818E6-C538-4EEC-8B9C-BAE6E81A41FA@googlemail.com> Hi Jules, Thanks Liz. On 8 Mar 2011, at 16:24, Julie Vaughan wrote: > hi liz > > welcome to the group > > jules > On 8 Mar 2011, at 10:22, Elizabeth Hammer wrote: > >> Hi Desi and all other group members. >> >> My name is Liz and I too am a new member. Enjoy! >> >> Liz. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Tue Mar 8 17:14:46 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:14:46 +0000 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: <9FE37B6F-A9A9-4F56-BF65-1F4658159CD5@virginmedia.com> References: <9FE37B6F-A9A9-4F56-BF65-1F4658159CD5@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <7793F0CD-C24B-4D55-B9B1-FE46CDB5224D@googlemail.com> HI Desi! :) I am Lewis Crack, 21, and from the UK. I am also totally blind and love my new Macbook! I've been using a Mac for nearly 6 months now and I love it! The list is very friendly as Julie says and I'm sure that you will receive lots of help from your questions or even if you just read the emails, you will receive lots of tips. Looking forward to hearing what your questions may be. :) Lewis Crack. :) Email/MSN: lewiscrack at googlemail.com Skype: lewiscrack Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/lewiscrack AIM: lewcrack Yahoo! Messenger: lewis.crack at yahoo.co.uk Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lewiscrack On 8 Mar 2011, at 16:20, Julie Vaughan wrote: > Hi there desi > > welcome to the list its very friendly and im sure u will get loads of tips and help its a great place > > smiley face > > jules from the uk > On 8 Mar 2011, at 03:07, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> My name is Desi and I live in Phoenix, Arizona. I am a blind Mac user who just got my iMac about 5 weeks ago. I've been trying to join this list since the end of last week. Due to various e-mail difficulties it took me until tonight to get on. Thanks to Lynne and Gordon both for their patience during this process! I am delighted to be here, and am looking forward to meeting you all and learning a lot! >> >> Desi >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Tue Mar 8 18:00:03 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:00:03 +0000 Subject: New Member Welcome Message-ID: Hello everybody Please do not reply to this thread on list unless your reply has a direct relevance to their Mac use or interest. It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome Roger Firman to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but have a keen interest. We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope this clarifies the position. If you have any list-related queries, please do not hesitate to contact either Gordon and myself, (the list owners), at , or one of our very capable assistant list controllers; Anne Robertson, or James Austin, and we will be happy to help you. Once again, a very warm welcome to the group. We hope you find your membership an enjoyable experience. Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com Tue Mar 8 18:18:39 2011 From: julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com (Julie Vaughan) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:18:39 +0000 Subject: Hi! In-Reply-To: <859818E6-C538-4EEC-8B9C-BAE6E81A41FA@googlemail.com> References: <37150B83-C257-4683-ADB4-4530F1D665E9@googlemail.com> <859818E6-C538-4EEC-8B9C-BAE6E81A41FA@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <38852996-6D56-485D-A707-9CC2A7EB85DE@virginmedia.com> no problem enjoy the group smiley On 8 Mar 2011, at 17:01, Elizabeth Hammer wrote: > Hi Jules, Thanks > > Liz. > > On 8 Mar 2011, at 16:24, Julie Vaughan wrote: > >> hi liz >> >> welcome to the group >> >> jules >> On 8 Mar 2011, at 10:22, Elizabeth Hammer wrote: >> >>> Hi Desi and all other group members. >>> >>> My name is Liz and I too am a new member. Enjoy! >>> >>> Liz. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From simon at scavendish.co.uk Tue Mar 8 18:19:22 2011 From: simon at scavendish.co.uk (Simon Cavendish) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:19:22 +0000 Subject: Questions about getting a mac In-Reply-To: References: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283003FDE131@SN1PRD0201MB100.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Dear Desi, Of course I shall share as much as I am able to. Also, have a look at Apple's own support pages on their website under accessibility and voiceover. As far as my use of Safari is concerned, I find the item chooser a very powerful tool for the pages I have already visited and know something about. Item chooser menu is activated by pressing vo+i and lists all the elements on the page. You will find a complete mixture there of all the textual as well as control elements. So if you roughly know what you are looking for, you can quickly move to that content by typing the first few letters of what you are looking for, even if those letters do not necessarily coincide with the first letters of waht you are searching for. Once you start typing, item chooser menu is limiting the list to the elements which most closely correspond to what you are typing. You can use your up and down arrow key to move through the list. Once you decide what you want, you press enter key and voiceover focus lands on this element. If what you are looking for is a part of a larger content on the page, voiceover will start reading that content from its beginning. At first, I did not know how to use item chooser menu but with time it has become one of my more powerful tools. There are also shortcut keys I find useful to move through the following items: vo+command+h pressed repeatedly will take you through the headings on the list and adding the shift key will take you back through the headdings. vo+command+t, will take you through the tables on the page and adding the shift key will tke take you back through the tables if there are more than one. Once within a table vo+command+shift (plus function key on laptop) and left arrow will take you to the first top left cell in a table and the same combination with right arrow will take you to the bottom rightmost cell in a table. vo+shift+m will activate contextual menu when voiceover cursor is focused on a link. This is like a right click. This is a very useful menu so experiment with it. If there is a lot of text on the page and you want to read it - let's say it is an article - you can press command+a to select the entire page content and then command+control+t to send this content immediatley to textedit application which will open up automatically and put the content in a new untitled document. You can clean the content of this pasting action of all the links and similar clutter by then pressing command+shift+t to make the document plain text. To move to the first thing on the page, press vo+ function key+ left arrow and right arrow for the last element on the page. It's sometimes worth interacting with headings on the webpage because they may hide links in them. It is also sometimes necessary to interact with a table cell with the usual vo+shift+down arrow and up arrow to stop interacting in order to get to a link or button that has been placed in that cell so do experiment. With the latest release of os 10, this interaction happens automatically but for some reason on my older mac, I still have to interact. perhaps I have not set my Voiceover preferences correctly. Also, try to experiment with web navigation options under Voiceover utility, (activated by vo+f8, to see whether you prefer DOM or group navigation. I started off by group navigation but now I mostly use DOM navigation mode. In the Voiceover utility, there is also a very useful help in the usual menu bar which you can read and find out more about each category of Voiceover behaviour. It is not always obvious to newbes to the mac that this help menu is a font of knowledge. On some pages, due to their coding, pressing vo+space to activate them may not work. In that case, try pressing the return key. This is also sometimes the case with buttons on some pages. If all else fails, I also try to route my mouse to the voiceover cursor by pressing vo+command+f5 and then check again to make sure my mouse is where I want it by pressing vo+f5 and once I'm satisfied of the position of the mouse, I will perform an actual click on the trackpad to try to activate some element on the page. If I'm reading something interesting, or do not wish to lose a particular page but at the same time need to look at something different in Safari, I call up a new tab by pressing command+n. I can then move between two windows of Safari by pressing command+accent key which is just to the right of left shift key. This combination will always switch you between open windows in any application. You can also use window chooser menu activated by vo+f2 pressed quickly twice and arrow through the list of windows. (leave this menu by pressing escape). I also use a very helpful feature in Voiceover which copies the last spoken text into clipboard. This can sometimes be a very long spoken piece which is great if you wish to copy things from the browser or anywhere else for that matter. Immediately after Voiceover has finished speaking a piece of text, press vo+shift+c and Voiceover will say something like "last phrase copied to the clipboard". You don't always have to let Voiceover finish what it's reading to copy it in this way, if you have an inkling of what it is going to say, you just copy your phrase. It's great for copying content which you cannot select on the web page. Unlike Jaws and IE, you cannot select chunks of text by using your shift+cursor keys so this method is very useful. You can use this method also in dialog boxes if you wish to copy something precisely because Voiceover will copy it exactly as it is written, including capitals punctuation etc. Sometimes, on the webpage, elements have text associated with it but you can't interact with the text and know its spelling so using the copy last phrase feature is very helpful. For some time, I have been using the feature called hotspots that Voiceover has to offer on pages where you may have to move between distant elements. To set hotspots, you use your numbers at the top of the keyboard with vo+shift combination to set them, and vo+particular number you have set to move the hotspot. Remember, Hotspots do not last beyond the particular session so if you close the application in which you have set it, they will disappear. But they are very useful, and as I recently discovered, you can set a hotspot in one application, and another hotspot in yet another application and quickly move between the application to the precise place you wish to be. Hotspots can sometimes be temperamental and disappear. I have no idea why. Webspots are supposed to have a similar action to hotspots but I have not been successful with them. You can remove a hotspot by going back to it and pressing the same combination of keys with the same number and you will hear that the spot was removed. Hotspots are almost essential in Preview when reading pdf documents if you need to switch from preview to another application. This is because if you switch from preview to let's say Textedit to take notes, and then return to preview, you will have to interact with the preview text area again and you will find that you will have lost the place you were previously focused on with Voiceover. Setting a hotspot before you leave preview and then pressing the combination to return to the hotspot will take you exactly where you had left off. I have to go now but I hope I have been able to help a little. Others on the list have far more superior knowledge of Voiceover and mac environment, and I am sure they will be happy to share. Good luck. Simon On 8 Mar 2011, at 16:47, Desi Noller wrote: > Simon, > > Are you willing to share the tricks you've found for using Safari? I am still quite new to the Mac, but have had fairly good success using Safari, also as a former JAWS with Windows Explorer user. Anything you've discovered that would make Safari even easier to use would be most appreciated! A fellow Mac user friend of mine helped me set up my Safari preferences, for which I have been most grateful! She showed me how to use the web rotor, and I have the numpad Commander turned on as well. Is there anything else I should know about? Thanks in advance! > > Desi > > > On Mar 8, 2011, at 1:44 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote: > >> >> Linda Mumford wrote: >> >>> >>> 1. I need a laptop for writing documents (currently use word), surfing the net, and for scanning my mail. What's the difference between the Mac air, MacBook, and the MacBook Pro? >> These are all laptop types mac computers which differ by weight, shape, power and specifications but they are all very good machines. Macbook air is the latest, the lightest model, with solid flash type memory but it is also one of the most expensive options. >> >>> 2. Is Safari as good as internet explorer accessibility-wise? >> I came to mac from Windows, and I had to learn an awful lot as the way you operate your screen reader is different. Now, I wouldn't go back to Windows. Safari is great although at times and only with some actions Internet Explorer and Jaws would appear to accomplish tasks more quickkly. However, I wouldn't go back to Internet Explorer. Once you learn how to use Voiceover on the Internet and nderstand various tricks, you should be fine. But please bear in mind that it will be a different experience and one needs to accept it. >>> >>> 3. I understand that OpenBook software is not compatible with the Mac. If this is so, what scanning software do you use? >> I use two pieces of software in conjunction with each other. I use Vuescan to scan my text to image files, and I use Abbyy Express FineReader to recgonise the image files into text. The latter piece of software has the ability to recognise two languages at a time which I find helpful for recognising bilingual material. >>> Hope this will help somewhat. Others on the list have more technical knowledge andI am sure that they will post answers to your questions too. There are various podcasts on the internet describing how to use various features of a mac computer or related software with Voiceover. >>> Much thanks for your time and patience, >>> Linda Mumford >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Tue Mar 8 18:53:14 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 11:53:14 -0700 Subject: Questions about getting a mac In-Reply-To: References: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283003FDE131@SN1PRD0201MB100.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Hi Simon, Thanks so much! This gives me quite a bit to chew on. I'll definitely be trying some of this out! Desi On Mar 8, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote: > Dear Desi, > > Of course I shall share as much as I am able to. Also, have a look at Apple's own support pages on their website under accessibility and voiceover. > > As far as my use of Safari is concerned, I find the item chooser a very powerful tool for the pages I have already visited and know something about. Item chooser menu is activated by pressing vo+i and lists all the elements on the page. You will find a complete mixture there of all the textual as well as control elements. So if you roughly know what you are looking for, you can quickly move to that content by typing the first few letters of what you are looking for, even if those letters do not necessarily coincide with the first letters of waht you are searching for. Once you start typing, item chooser menu is limiting the list to the elements which most closely correspond to what you are typing. You can use your up and down arrow key to move through the list. Once you decide what you want, you press enter key and voiceover focus lands on this element. If what you are looking for is a part of a larger content on the page, voiceover will start reading that content from its be > ginning. At first, I did not know how to use item chooser menu but with time it has become one of my more powerful tools. > > There are also shortcut keys I find useful to move through the following items: > vo+command+h pressed repeatedly will take you through the headings on the list and adding the shift key will take you back through the headdings. > > vo+command+t, will take you through the tables on the page and adding the shift key will tke take you back through the tables if there are more than one. Once within a table vo+command+shift (plus function key on laptop) and left arrow will take you to the first top left cell in a table and the same combination with right arrow will take you to the bottom rightmost cell in a table. > > vo+shift+m will activate contextual menu when voiceover cursor is focused on a link. This is like a right click. This is a very useful menu so experiment with it. > > If there is a lot of text on the page and you want to read it - let's say it is an article - you can press command+a to select the entire page content and then command+control+t to send this content immediatley to textedit application which will open up automatically and put the content in a new untitled document. You can clean the content of this pasting action of all the links and similar clutter by then pressing command+shift+t to make the document plain text. > > To move to the first thing on the page, press vo+ function key+ left arrow and right arrow for the last element on the page. > > It's sometimes worth interacting with headings on the webpage because they may hide links in them. It is also sometimes necessary to interact with a table cell with the usual vo+shift+down arrow and up arrow to stop interacting in order to get to a link or button that has been placed in that cell so do experiment. With the latest release of os 10, this interaction happens automatically but for some reason on my older mac, I still have to interact. perhaps I have not set my Voiceover preferences correctly. > > Also, try to experiment with web navigation options under Voiceover utility, (activated by vo+f8, to see whether you prefer DOM or group navigation. I started off by group navigation but now I mostly use DOM navigation mode. In the Voiceover utility, there is also a very useful help in the usual menu bar which you can read and find out more about each category of Voiceover behaviour. It is not always obvious to newbes to the mac that this help menu is a font of knowledge. > > On some pages, due to their coding, pressing vo+space to activate them may not work. In that case, try pressing the return key. This is also sometimes the case with buttons on some pages. If all else fails, I also try to route my mouse to the voiceover cursor by pressing vo+command+f5 and then check again to make sure my mouse is where I want it by pressing vo+f5 and once I'm satisfied of the position of the mouse, I will perform an actual click on the trackpad to try to activate some element on the page. > > If I'm reading something interesting, or do not wish to lose a particular page but at the same time need to look at something different in Safari, I call up a new tab by pressing command+n. I can then move between two windows of Safari by pressing command+accent key which is just to the right of left shift key. This combination will always switch you between open windows in any application. You can also use window chooser menu activated by vo+f2 pressed quickly twice and arrow through the list of windows. (leave this menu by pressing escape). > > I also use a very helpful feature in Voiceover which copies the last spoken text into clipboard. This can sometimes be a very long spoken piece which is great if you wish to copy things from the browser or anywhere else for that matter. Immediately after Voiceover has finished speaking a piece of text, press vo+shift+c and Voiceover will say something like "last phrase copied to the clipboard". You don't always have to let Voiceover finish what it's reading to copy it in this way, if you have an inkling of what it is going to say, you just copy your phrase. It's great for copying content which you cannot select on the web page. Unlike Jaws and IE, you cannot select chunks of text by using your shift+cursor keys so this method is very useful. You can use this method also in dialog boxes if you wish to copy something precisely because Voiceover will copy it exactly as it is written, including capitals punctuation etc. Sometimes, on the webpage, elements have text associated wi > th it but you can't interact with the text and know its spelling so using the copy last phrase feature is very helpful. > > For some time, I have been using the feature called hotspots that Voiceover has to offer on pages where you may have to move between distant elements. To set hotspots, you use your numbers at the top of the keyboard with vo+shift combination to set them, and vo+particular number you have set to move the hotspot. Remember, Hotspots do not last beyond the particular session so if you close the application in which you have set it, they will disappear. But they are very useful, and as I recently discovered, you can set a hotspot in one application, and another hotspot in yet another application and quickly move between the application to the precise place you wish to be. Hotspots can sometimes be temperamental and disappear. I have no idea why. Webspots are supposed to have a similar action to hotspots but I have not been successful with them. You can remove a hotspot by going back to it and pressing the same combination of keys with the same number and you will hear that the sp > ot was removed. Hotspots are almost essential in Preview when reading pdf documents if you need to switch from preview to another application. This is because if you switch from preview to let's say Textedit to take notes, and then return to preview, you will have to interact with the preview text area again and you will find that you will have lost the place you were previously focused on with Voiceover. Setting a hotspot before you leave preview and then pressing the combination to return to the hotspot will take you exactly where you had left off. > > I have to go now but I hope I have been able to help a little. Others on the list have far more superior knowledge of Voiceover and mac environment, and I am sure they will be happy to share. > > Good luck. > > Simon > On 8 Mar 2011, at 16:47, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Simon, >> >> Are you willing to share the tricks you've found for using Safari? I am still quite new to the Mac, but have had fairly good success using Safari, also as a former JAWS with Windows Explorer user. Anything you've discovered that would make Safari even easier to use would be most appreciated! A fellow Mac user friend of mine helped me set up my Safari preferences, for which I have been most grateful! She showed me how to use the web rotor, and I have the numpad Commander turned on as well. Is there anything else I should know about? Thanks in advance! >> >> Desi >> >> >> On Mar 8, 2011, at 1:44 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote: >> >>> >>> Linda Mumford wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> 1. I need a laptop for writing documents (currently use word), surfing the net, and for scanning my mail. What's the difference between the Mac air, MacBook, and the MacBook Pro? >>> These are all laptop types mac computers which differ by weight, shape, power and specifications but they are all very good machines. Macbook air is the latest, the lightest model, with solid flash type memory but it is also one of the most expensive options. >>> >>>> 2. Is Safari as good as internet explorer accessibility-wise? >>> I came to mac from Windows, and I had to learn an awful lot as the way you operate your screen reader is different. Now, I wouldn't go back to Windows. Safari is great although at times and only with some actions Internet Explorer and Jaws would appear to accomplish tasks more quickkly. However, I wouldn't go back to Internet Explorer. Once you learn how to use Voiceover on the Internet and nderstand various tricks, you should be fine. But please bear in mind that it will be a different experience and one needs to accept it. >>>> >>>> 3. I understand that OpenBook software is not compatible with the Mac. If this is so, what scanning software do you use? >>> I use two pieces of software in conjunction with each other. I use Vuescan to scan my text to image files, and I use Abbyy Express FineReader to recgonise the image files into text. The latter piece of software has the ability to recognise two languages at a time which I find helpful for recognising bilingual material. >>>> Hope this will help somewhat. Others on the list have more technical knowledge andI am sure that they will post answers to your questions too. There are various podcasts on the internet describing how to use various features of a mac computer or related software with Voiceover. >>>> Much thanks for your time and patience, >>>> Linda Mumford >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 19:48:13 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 11:48:13 -0800 Subject: Create Home Screen links to 3rd Party browsers without jailbreaking Message-ID: This should be an interesting read. I don't know php so I cannot make use of it. http://bit.ly/fzT1Nw From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 19:49:49 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 11:49:49 -0800 Subject: Before you lose your Mac laptop Message-ID: I'm treasuring this hint. http://feeds.macosxhints.com/click.phdo?i=358536cbe82c4d02bc5bee06867f9d65 From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 19:52:16 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 11:52:16 -0800 Subject: South Korea's SK Telecom to Become Second CDMA iPhone Carrier on March 16th Message-ID: Will the iphone become more popular in other countries? read on. http://bit.ly/fHYuIs From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 19:54:49 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 11:54:49 -0800 Subject: Before you lose your Mac laptop Message-ID: I'm treasuring this hint. http://feeds.macosxhints.com/click.phdo?i=358536cbe82c4d02bc5bee06867f9d65 From chris at mysticplace.info Tue Mar 8 20:01:41 2011 From: chris at mysticplace.info (Chris G) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 15:01:41 -0500 Subject: accessible FTP server Message-ID: <20110308150141.5D5A.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Hi, I am interested on any information about an accessible FTP server for Snow Leopard. Thanks Chris - The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. http://www.mysticplace.info From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 20:16:16 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 12:16:16 -0800 Subject: accessible FTP server In-Reply-To: <20110308150141.5D5A.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> References: <20110308150141.5D5A.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Message-ID: <5EFCB725-6E0C-4393-AF44-D09ED7D73B91@gmail.com> there's one built in to yoru mac but someone will have to help you on hlist set it up as I don't know how. I read directions on how to do it but they failed lol! On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Chris G wrote: > Hi, > > I am interested on any information about an accessible FTP server for > Snow Leopard. > > Thanks > Chris > > - > The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. > http://www.mysticplace.info > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Tue Mar 8 20:17:18 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 20:17:18 +0000 Subject: Questions about getting a mac In-Reply-To: References: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283003FDE131@SN1PRD0201MB100.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: Hi Desi! Welcome to the list! Also apart from the item chooser, you can also use the web rota! open with command vo+u, this lets you go from headers to links or visited links form controls and frames or others! And like item chooser when on the links list you can narrow your options by typing the first few letters! All the best Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 8 Mar 2011, at 18:53, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Simon, > > Thanks so much! This gives me quite a bit to chew on. I'll definitely be trying some of this out! > > Desi > > > > On Mar 8, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote: > >> Dear Desi, >> >> Of course I shall share as much as I am able to. Also, have a look at Apple's own support pages on their website under accessibility and voiceover. >> >> As far as my use of Safari is concerned, I find the item chooser a very powerful tool for the pages I have already visited and know something about. Item chooser menu is activated by pressing vo+i and lists all the elements on the page. You will find a complete mixture there of all the textual as well as control elements. So if you roughly know what you are looking for, you can quickly move to that content by typing the first few letters of what you are looking for, even if those letters do not necessarily coincide with the first letters of waht you are searching for. Once you start typing, item chooser menu is limiting the list to the elements which most closely correspond to what you are typing. You can use your up and down arrow key to move through the list. Once you decide what you want, you press enter key and voiceover focus lands on this element. If what you are looking for is a part of a larger content on the page, voiceover will start reading that content from its > be >> ginning. At first, I did not know how to use item chooser menu but with time it has become one of my more powerful tools. >> >> There are also shortcut keys I find useful to move through the following items: >> vo+command+h pressed repeatedly will take you through the headings on the list and adding the shift key will take you back through the headdings. >> >> vo+command+t, will take you through the tables on the page and adding the shift key will tke take you back through the tables if there are more than one. Once within a table vo+command+shift (plus function key on laptop) and left arrow will take you to the first top left cell in a table and the same combination with right arrow will take you to the bottom rightmost cell in a table. >> >> vo+shift+m will activate contextual menu when voiceover cursor is focused on a link. This is like a right click. This is a very useful menu so experiment with it. >> >> If there is a lot of text on the page and you want to read it - let's say it is an article - you can press command+a to select the entire page content and then command+control+t to send this content immediately to textedit application which will open up automatically and put the content in a new untitled document. You can clean the content of this pasting action of all the links and similar clutter by then pressing command+shift+t to make the document plain text. >> >> To move to the first thing on the page, press vo+ function key+ left arrow and right arrow for the last element on the page. >> >> It's sometimes worth interacting with headings on the webpage because they may hide links in them. It is also sometimes necessary to interact with a table cell with the usual vo+shift+down arrow and up arrow to stop interacting in order to get to a link or button that has been placed in that cell so do experiment. With the latest release of os 10, this interaction happens automatically but for some reason on my older mac, I still have to interact. perhaps I have not set my Voiceover preferences correctly. >> >> Also, try to experiment with web navigation options under Voiceover utility, (activated by vo+f8, to see whether you prefer DOM or group navigation. I started off by group navigation but now I mostly use DOM navigation mode. In the Voiceover utility, there is also a very useful help in the usual menu bar which you can read and find out more about each category of Voiceover behaviour. It is not always obvious to newbes to the mac that this help menu is a font of knowledge. >> >> On some pages, due to their coding, pressing vo+space to activate them may not work. In that case, try pressing the return key. This is also sometimes the case with buttons on some pages. If all else fails, I also try to route my mouse to the voiceover cursor by pressing vo+command+f5 and then check again to make sure my mouse is where I want it by pressing vo+f5 and once I'm satisfied of the position of the mouse, I will perform an actual click on the trackpad to try to activate some element on the page. >> >> If I'm reading something interesting, or do not wish to lose a particular page but at the same time need to look at something different in Safari, I call up a new tab by pressing command+n. I can then move between two windows of Safari by pressing command+accent key which is just to the right of left shift key. This combination will always switch you between open windows in any application. You can also use window chooser menu activated by vo+f2 pressed quickly twice and arrow through the list of windows. (leave this menu by pressing escape). >> >> I also use a very helpful feature in Voiceover which copies the last spoken text into clipboard. This can sometimes be a very long spoken piece which is great if you wish to copy things from the browser or anywhere else for that matter. Immediately after Voiceover has finished speaking a piece of text, press vo+shift+c and Voiceover will say something like "last phrase copied to the clipboard". You don't always have to let Voiceover finish what it's reading to copy it in this way, if you have an inkling of what it is going to say, you just copy your phrase. It's great for copying content which you cannot select on the web page. Unlike Jaws and IE, you cannot select chunks of text by using your shift+cursor keys so this method is very useful. You can use this method also in dialog boxes if you wish to copy something precisely because Voiceover will copy it exactly as it is written, including capitals punctuation etc. Sometimes, on the webpage, elements have text associated > wi >> th it but you can't interact with the text and know its spelling so using the copy last phrase feature is very helpful. >> >> For some time, I have been using the feature called hotspots that Voiceover has to offer on pages where you may have to move between distant elements. To set hotspots, you use your numbers at the top of the keyboard with vo+shift combination to set them, and vo+particular number you have set to move the hotspot. Remember, Hotspots do not last beyond the particular session so if you close the application in which you have set it, they will disappear. But they are very useful, and as I recently discovered, you can set a hotspot in one application, and another hotspot in yet another application and quickly move between the application to the precise place you wish to be. Hotspots can sometimes be temperamental and disappear. I have no idea why. Webspots are supposed to have a similar action to hotspots but I have not been successful with them. You can remove a hotspot by going back to it and pressing the same combination of keys with the same number and you will hear that the > sp >> ot was removed. Hotspots are almost essential in Preview when reading pdf documents if you need to switch from preview to another application. This is because if you switch from preview to let's say Textedit to take notes, and then return to preview, you will have to interact with the preview text area again and you will find that you will have lost the place you were previously focused on with Voiceover. Setting a hotspot before you leave preview and then pressing the combination to return to the hotspot will take you exactly where you had left off. >> >> I have to go now but I hope I have been able to help a little. Others on the list have far more superior knowledge of Voiceover and mac environment, and I am sure they will be happy to share. >> >> Good luck. >> >> Simon >> On 8 Mar 2011, at 16:47, Desi Noller wrote: >> >>> Simon, >>> >>> Are you willing to share the tricks you've found for using Safari? I am still quite new to the Mac, but have had fairly good success using Safari, also as a former JAWS with Windows Explorer user. Anything you've discovered that would make Safari even easier to use would be most appreciated! A fellow Mac user friend of mine helped me set up my Safari preferences, for which I have been most grateful! She showed me how to use the web rotor, and I have the numpad Commander turned on as well. Is there anything else I should know about? Thanks in advance! >>> >>> Desi >>> >>> >>> On Mar 8, 2011, at 1:44 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Linda Mumford wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> 1. I need a laptop for writing documents (currently use word), surfing the net, and for scanning my mail. What's the difference between the Mac air, MacBook, and the MacBook Pro? >>>> These are all laptop types mac computers which differ by weight, shape, power and specifications but they are all very good machines. Macbook air is the latest, the lightest model, with solid flash type memory but it is also one of the most expensive options. >>>> >>>>> 2. Is Safari as good as internet explorer accessibility-wise? >>>> I came to mac from Windows, and I had to learn an awful lot as the way you operate your screen reader is different. Now, I wouldn't go back to Windows. Safari is great although at times and only with some actions Internet Explorer and Jaws would appear to accomplish tasks more quickkly. However, I wouldn't go back to Internet Explorer. Once you learn how to use Voiceover on the Internet and nderstand various tricks, you should be fine. But please bear in mind that it will be a different experience and one needs to accept it. >>>>> >>>>> 3. I understand that OpenBook software is not compatible with the Mac. If this is so, what scanning software do you use? >>>> I use two pieces of software in conjunction with each other. I use Vuescan to scan my text to image files, and I use Abbyy Express FineReader to recgonise the image files into text. The latter piece of software has the ability to recognise two languages at a time which I find helpful for recognising bilingual material. >>>>> Hope this will help somewhat. Others on the list have more technical knowledge andI am sure that they will post answers to your questions too. There are various podcasts on the internet describing how to use various features of a mac computer or related software with Voiceover. >>>>> Much thanks for your time and patience, >>>>> Linda Mumford >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 20:19:31 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 21:19:31 +0100 Subject: Before you lose your Mac laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81A8B537-0D5B-4C85-A5D3-3409FF39E902@gmail.com> Hello Sarah, Thanks for that tip. It seems to work pretty well. The installer is not your traditional installer, but that may be due to having to set it up during the installation process. It all seems very accessible so far, including the control panel through the web browser. Its also got some interesting features, like being able to use your webcam. Interestingly enough, it reports my version of Mac OS X incorrectly. Regards, Nic On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I'm treasuring this hint. > > http://feeds.macosxhints.com/click.phdo?i=358536cbe82c4d02bc5bee06867f9d65 > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris at mysticplace.info Tue Mar 8 20:21:28 2011 From: chris at mysticplace.info (Chris G) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 15:21:28 -0500 Subject: accessible FTP server In-Reply-To: <5EFCB725-6E0C-4393-AF44-D09ED7D73B91@gmail.com> References: <20110308150141.5D5A.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <5EFCB725-6E0C-4393-AF44-D09ED7D73B91@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110308152127.5D5F.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Does it allow user accounts etc? Thanks Chris On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 12:16:16 -0800 Sarah Alawami wrote: > there's one built in to yoru mac but someone will have to help you on hlist set it up as I don't know how. I read directions on how to do it but they failed lol! > On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Chris G wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I am interested on any information about an accessible FTP server for > > Snow Leopard. > > > > Thanks > > Chris > > > > - > > The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. > > http://www.mysticplace.info > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > - The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. http://www.mysticplace.info From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 21:44:25 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 13:44:25 -0800 Subject: Before you lose your Mac laptop In-Reply-To: <81A8B537-0D5B-4C85-A5D3-3409FF39E902@gmail.com> References: <81A8B537-0D5B-4C85-A5D3-3409FF39E902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <71BAF07A-ED47-42DE-AB1B-04FEF1B6DB8A@gmail.com> OO I would report that to the dev? Take care and thanks for theads up. I didn't try this hint but through others her emight like it. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hello Sarah, > > Thanks for that tip. It seems to work pretty well. The installer is not your traditional installer, but that may be due to having to set it up during the installation process. It all seems very accessible so far, including the control panel through the web browser. Its also got some interesting features, like being able to use your webcam. Interestingly enough, it reports my version of Mac OS X incorrectly. > > Regards, > Nic > On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I'm treasuring this hint. >> >> http://feeds.macosxhints.com/click.phdo?i=358536cbe82c4d02bc5bee06867f9d65 >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 21:52:29 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:52:29 +0100 Subject: Before you lose your Mac laptop In-Reply-To: <71BAF07A-ED47-42DE-AB1B-04FEF1B6DB8A@gmail.com> References: <81A8B537-0D5B-4C85-A5D3-3409FF39E902@gmail.com> <71BAF07A-ED47-42DE-AB1B-04FEF1B6DB8A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sarah It's a configurable option. It automatically assumes you run Tiger I guess, but I changed it. :) Regards, Nic On Mar 8, 2011, at 10:44 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > OO I would report that to the dev? > > Take care and thanks for theads up. I didn't try this hint but through others her emight like it. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On Mar 8, 2011, at 12:19 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hello Sarah, >> >> Thanks for that tip. It seems to work pretty well. The installer is not your traditional installer, but that may be due to having to set it up during the installation process. It all seems very accessible so far, including the control panel through the web browser. Its also got some interesting features, like being able to use your webcam. Interestingly enough, it reports my version of Mac OS X incorrectly. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:54 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> I'm treasuring this hint. >>> >>> http://feeds.macosxhints.com/click.phdo?i=358536cbe82c4d02bc5bee06867f9d65 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 21:57:47 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 16:57:47 -0500 Subject: Before you lose your Mac laptop In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91A852F6-83FA-4B93-8E40-8C8D71FF336A@gmail.com> Where is the hint? On Mar 8, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I'm treasuring this hint. > > http://feeds.macosxhints.com/click.phdo?i=358536cbe82c4d02bc5bee06867f9d65 > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Tue Mar 8 22:00:36 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:00:36 -0400 Subject: FileXaminer and accessibility. Message-ID: <63587E1808014FAF8AE750E213E6DA10@MainComputer> Hi Folks: Does anyone know if this animal is accessible? Thanks all over the place gang. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From gordon at mac-access.net Tue Mar 8 22:31:17 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:31:17 +0000 Subject: Drop Box; Read this! Message-ID: <36331B8F-E294-4547-A882-B8BC5A6C5FB7@mac-access.net> Just shows what happens if you approach the right people. I am now using one of my connections in the industry and have reached one of their engineers directly. Please provide me with any feedback directly. i will compile it and forward it. Please do not send this to the list, but to me privately at We here at our development team recently discovered that changes in the most recent version of the Dropbox client may have inadvertently caused VoiceOver to work improperly for some users. We're working to resolve those issues, but we'd appreciate any specific feedback you may have about specific parts of the client that are not accessible using this technology so that we can address those areas. If you could provide us with that feedback, that would be much appreciated. Will i succeed where others have failed? That's partly down to you folks. Gordon From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 22:32:14 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 14:32:14 -0800 Subject: Before you lose your Mac laptop In-Reply-To: <91A852F6-83FA-4B93-8E40-8C8D71FF336A@gmail.com> References: <91A852F6-83FA-4B93-8E40-8C8D71FF336A@gmail.com> Message-ID: look In the link. lol! it's there. you just have to scrool down the page a bit to get there. it's right after the tag image. On Mar 8, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: > Where is the hint? > > On Mar 8, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I'm treasuring this hint. >> >> http://feeds.macosxhints.com/click.phdo?i=358536cbe82c4d02bc5bee06867f9d65 >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 22:36:22 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:36:22 -0500 Subject: Before you lose your Mac laptop In-Reply-To: References: <91A852F6-83FA-4B93-8E40-8C8D71FF336A@gmail.com> Message-ID: How about if you just tell us what the hint is? Thanks! On Mar 8, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > look In the link. lol! it's there. you just have to scrool down the page a bit to get there. it's right after the tag image. > On Mar 8, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: > >> Where is the hint? >> >> On Mar 8, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> I'm treasuring this hint. >>> >>> http://feeds.macosxhints.com/click.phdo?i=358536cbe82c4d02bc5bee06867f9d65 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 8 22:42:23 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 14:42:23 -0800 Subject: Before you lose your Mac laptop In-Reply-To: References: <91A852F6-83FA-4B93-8E40-8C8D71FF336A@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'ts a piece of software that you install on the mac and you log in on there website if you mac gets stolen. On Mar 8, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: > How about if you just tell us what the hint is? > > Thanks! > > On Mar 8, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> look In the link. lol! it's there. you just have to scrool down the page a bit to get there. it's right after the tag image. >> On Mar 8, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: >> >>> Where is the hint? >>> >>> On Mar 8, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> >>>> I'm treasuring this hint. >>>> >>>> http://feeds.macosxhints.com/click.phdo?i=358536cbe82c4d02bc5bee06867f9d65 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Tue Mar 8 22:50:50 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:50:50 -0400 Subject: Take Control Books. Message-ID: <55FB487BF40449A69351C8B25E334235@MainComputer> Hi Folks: I just want to say thanks for the prompt service in sending me the Take Control Book that I ordered. Would that all internet business could be conducted this swiftly. Thanks. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jekis at fastmail.us Tue Mar 8 23:42:31 2011 From: jekis at fastmail.us (Justin Ekis) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 15:42:31 -0800 Subject: Take Control Books. In-Reply-To: <55FB487BF40449A69351C8B25E334235@MainComputer> References: <55FB487BF40449A69351C8B25E334235@MainComputer> Message-ID: <1E236010-8093-4911-89CC-691A9C85253B@fastmail.us> Hi Jim and all, I completely agree. I recently purchased a few books as well. Everything went very quickly and smoothly, and I'm now enjoying some interesting and useful content. The price is also great. It was just a very small amount more than I had expected due to the exchange rate, but it wasn't significant. Still an incredible deal for what I was buying. I really appreciate having access to such a good service. Thanks, Justin Ekis On Mar 8, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: Hi Folks: I just want to say thanks for the prompt service in sending me the Take Control Book that I ordered. Would that all internet business could be conducted this swiftly. Thanks. From moriond at mac.com Wed Mar 9 00:49:18 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 14:49:18 -1000 Subject: LookTel Money Reader for iPhone and 4th Generation iPod Touch (U.S. Currency reader) Message-ID: Hi All, This announcement is for an app that does U.S. Currency recognition, and currently is supported on the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, and 4th generation iPod Touch: LookTel Money Reader ($1.99) by IPPLEX: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/looktel-money-reader/id417476558?mt=8 This is extremely fast, accurate, and easy to use; and starts announcing the currency identification within seconds of when you start the app and point the camera of your iDevice at a bill. I've typically held the iPhone 4 about 6 to 10 inches from the bill, but the app is very tolerant of distance, bill orientation, whether the bill is crumpled or folded (though it may take a few seconds more), whether your hand is steady, whether the bill is well centered in the camera field, whether you have the screen curtain on (still works), and whether there is sufficient lighting (the iPhone LED will get automatically turned on by the app if the background light level is too low -- try running the app under bed covers or in a pouch to test this). This version of the app only responds to U.S. currency. No announcements get made in response to Canadian bills or European currency, whereas it will keep repeating "$1" (or whatever the denomination -- $1, $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100) as long as the bill is in view of the camera. Remember to turn the app off when done by clicking the "Home" button, or your camera will remain active. (It's easy to forget, since after to you accept the startup screen message acknowledging that this app can't be relied on to detect counterfeit currency all you do is point camera side of your iPhone (the side away from your home screen) at the bills in question, and you almost immediately hear VoiceOver announce "$1" or "$5" -- or whatever the amount is, even if the bill is folded in thirds and the camera is only viewing the back center part of the folded bill at some angle in dim light. ) There's a description and links posted at the AppleVis site, along with a description of some other apps that are currently in development. You can also check their main web site: http://www.looktel.com/products An amazing product for $1.99, and faster and more accurate than oMoby. I'm guessing that one reason they can get this to work so fast is because it is specialized to work for only one type of currency. This app may also work for the second generation iPad 2, given that it should have a camera at least as good as the 4th generation iPod Touch. No information yet on that, I'm afraid. Cheers, Esther From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 01:21:58 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:21:58 -0800 Subject: LookTel Money Reader for iPhone and 4th Generation iPod Touch (U.S. Currency reader) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7DDF1D26-CCC0-4C9D-A585-949CC810CA9C@gmail.com> I did a podcast on this so you get to hear a live demo. http://marrie.podbean.com note I usually publish podcasts on certain days of the month but this was so good I had to publish it out of schedule lol! Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 8, 2011, at 4:49 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi All, > > This announcement is for an app that does U.S. Currency recognition, and currently is supported on the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, and 4th generation iPod Touch: LookTel Money Reader ($1.99) by IPPLEX: > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/looktel-money-reader/id417476558?mt=8 > > This is extremely fast, accurate, and easy to use; and starts announcing the currency identification within seconds of when you start the app and point the camera of your iDevice at a bill. I've typically held the iPhone 4 about 6 to 10 inches from the bill, but the app is very tolerant of distance, bill orientation, whether the bill is crumpled or folded (though it may take a few seconds more), whether your hand is steady, whether the bill is well centered in the camera field, whether you have the screen curtain on (still works), and whether there is sufficient lighting (the iPhone LED will get automatically turned on by the app if the background light level is too low -- try running the app under bed covers or in a pouch to test this). This version of the app only responds to U.S. currency. No announcements get made in response to Canadian bills or European currency, whereas it will keep repeating "$1" (or whatever the denomination -- $1, $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100) as lon > g as the bill is in view of the camera. Remember to turn the app off when done by clicking the "Home" button, or your camera will remain active. (It's easy to forget, since after to you accept the startup screen message acknowledging that this app can't be relied on to detect counterfeit currency all you do is point camera side of your iPhone (the side away from your home screen) at the bills in question, and you almost immediately hear VoiceOver announce "$1" or "$5" -- or whatever the amount is, even if the bill is folded in thirds and the camera is only viewing the back center part of the folded bill at some angle in dim light. ) > > There's a description and links posted at the AppleVis site, along with a description of some other apps that are currently in development. You can also check their main web site: > http://www.looktel.com/products > > An amazing product for $1.99, and faster and more accurate than oMoby. I'm guessing that one reason they can get this to work so fast is because it is specialized to work for only one type of currency. This app may also work for the second generation iPad 2, given that it should have a camera at least as good as the 4th generation iPod Touch. No information yet on that, I'm afraid. > > Cheers, > > Esther > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 01:24:33 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 20:24:33 -0500 Subject: LookTel Money Reader for iPhone and 4th Generation iPod Touch (U.S. Currency reader) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Omoby does a fine job of money identification and the app is free. On Mar 8, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi All, > > This announcement is for an app that does U.S. Currency recognition, and currently is supported on the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, and 4th generation iPod Touch: LookTel Money Reader ($1.99) by IPPLEX: > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/looktel-money-reader/id417476558?mt=8 > > This is extremely fast, accurate, and easy to use; and starts announcing the currency identification within seconds of when you start the app and point the camera of your iDevice at a bill. I've typically held the iPhone 4 about 6 to 10 inches from the bill, but the app is very tolerant of distance, bill orientation, whether the bill is crumpled or folded (though it may take a few seconds more), whether your hand is steady, whether the bill is well centered in the camera field, whether you have the screen curtain on (still works), and whether there is sufficient lighting (the iPhone LED will get automatically turned on by the app if the background light level is too low -- try running the app under bed covers or in a pouch to test this). This version of the app only responds to U.S. currency. No announcements get made in response to Canadian bills or European currency, whereas it will keep repeating "$1" (or whatever the denomination -- $1, $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100) as lon > g as the bill is in view of the camera. Remember to turn the app off when done by clicking the "Home" button, or your camera will remain active. (It's easy to forget, since after to you accept the startup screen message acknowledging that this app can't be relied on to detect counterfeit currency all you do is point camera side of your iPhone (the side away from your home screen) at the bills in question, and you almost immediately hear VoiceOver announce "$1" or "$5" -- or whatever the amount is, even if the bill is folded in thirds and the camera is only viewing the back center part of the folded bill at some angle in dim light. ) > > There's a description and links posted at the AppleVis site, along with a description of some other apps that are currently in development. You can also check their main web site: > http://www.looktel.com/products > > An amazing product for $1.99, and faster and more accurate than oMoby. I'm guessing that one reason they can get this to work so fast is because it is specialized to work for only one type of currency. This app may also work for the second generation iPad 2, given that it should have a camera at least as good as the 4th generation iPod Touch. No information yet on that, I'm afraid. > > Cheers, > > Esther > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 01:31:51 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:31:51 -0800 Subject: LookTel Money Reader for iPhone and 4th Generation iPod Touch (U.S. Currency reader) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: but thi is a lot quicker and you don't hqve to center anything. I was able to identify a bill in about 0.5 seconds wiht out finding the take picture button centering it and takign the pic and waiting for it to upload an dstuff. On Mar 8, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: > Omoby does a fine job of money identification and the app is free. > > On Mar 8, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> This announcement is for an app that does U.S. Currency recognition, and currently is supported on the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, and 4th generation iPod Touch: LookTel Money Reader ($1.99) by IPPLEX: >> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/looktel-money-reader/id417476558?mt=8 >> >> This is extremely fast, accurate, and easy to use; and starts announcing the currency identification within seconds of when you start the app and point the camera of your iDevice at a bill. I've typically held the iPhone 4 about 6 to 10 inches from the bill, but the app is very tolerant of distance, bill orientation, whether the bill is crumpled or folded (though it may take a few seconds more), whether your hand is steady, whether the bill is well centered in the camera field, whether you have the screen curtain on (still works), and whether there is sufficient lighting (the iPhone LED will get automatically turned on by the app if the background light level is too low -- try running the app under bed covers or in a pouch to test this). This version of the app only responds to U.S. currency. No announcements get made in response to Canadian bills or European currency, whereas it will keep repeating "$1" (or whatever the denomination -- $1, $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100) as l > on >> g as the bill is in view of the camera. Remember to turn the app off when done by clicking the "Home" button, or your camera will remain active. (It's easy to forget, since after to you accept the startup screen message acknowledging that this app can't be relied on to detect counterfeit currency all you do is point camera side of your iPhone (the side away from your home screen) at the bills in question, and you almost immediately hear VoiceOver announce "$1" or "$5" -- or whatever the amount is, even if the bill is folded in thirds and the camera is only viewing the back center part of the folded bill at some angle in dim light. ) >> >> There's a description and links posted at the AppleVis site, along with a description of some other apps that are currently in development. You can also check their main web site: >> http://www.looktel.com/products >> >> An amazing product for $1.99, and faster and more accurate than oMoby. I'm guessing that one reason they can get this to work so fast is because it is specialized to work for only one type of currency. This app may also work for the second generation iPad 2, given that it should have a camera at least as good as the 4th generation iPod Touch. No information yet on that, I'm afraid. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Esther >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 01:32:37 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 17:32:37 -0800 Subject: LookTel Money Reader for iPhone and 4th Generation iPod Touch (U.S. Currency reader) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7EE4B499-0041-4623-8844-5300756313F8@gmail.com> Oops! sent it too early! I also was gogni ot say this requires no internet conection so you could sit in a star bucks or at the hotel counter and identify with no internet connection or do it on a plain if you can hear lol! On Mar 8, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: > Omoby does a fine job of money identification and the app is free. > > On Mar 8, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> This announcement is for an app that does U.S. Currency recognition, and currently is supported on the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, and 4th generation iPod Touch: LookTel Money Reader ($1.99) by IPPLEX: >> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/looktel-money-reader/id417476558?mt=8 >> >> This is extremely fast, accurate, and easy to use; and starts announcing the currency identification within seconds of when you start the app and point the camera of your iDevice at a bill. I've typically held the iPhone 4 about 6 to 10 inches from the bill, but the app is very tolerant of distance, bill orientation, whether the bill is crumpled or folded (though it may take a few seconds more), whether your hand is steady, whether the bill is well centered in the camera field, whether you have the screen curtain on (still works), and whether there is sufficient lighting (the iPhone LED will get automatically turned on by the app if the background light level is too low -- try running the app under bed covers or in a pouch to test this). This version of the app only responds to U.S. currency. No announcements get made in response to Canadian bills or European currency, whereas it will keep repeating "$1" (or whatever the denomination -- $1, $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100) as l > on >> g as the bill is in view of the camera. Remember to turn the app off when done by clicking the "Home" button, or your camera will remain active. (It's easy to forget, since after to you accept the startup screen message acknowledging that this app can't be relied on to detect counterfeit currency all you do is point camera side of your iPhone (the side away from your home screen) at the bills in question, and you almost immediately hear VoiceOver announce "$1" or "$5" -- or whatever the amount is, even if the bill is folded in thirds and the camera is only viewing the back center part of the folded bill at some angle in dim light. ) >> >> There's a description and links posted at the AppleVis site, along with a description of some other apps that are currently in development. You can also check their main web site: >> http://www.looktel.com/products >> >> An amazing product for $1.99, and faster and more accurate than oMoby. I'm guessing that one reason they can get this to work so fast is because it is specialized to work for only one type of currency. This app may also work for the second generation iPad 2, given that it should have a camera at least as good as the 4th generation iPod Touch. No information yet on that, I'm afraid. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Esther >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Wed Mar 9 01:43:55 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 15:43:55 -1000 Subject: LookTel Money Reader for iPhone and 4th Generation iPod Touch (U.S. Currency reader) In-Reply-To: <7EE4B499-0041-4623-8844-5300756313F8@gmail.com> References: <7EE4B499-0041-4623-8844-5300756313F8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2CDE0255-89E5-4BFA-A4E4-55C56791A824@mac.com> Yes, not only does the LookTel app not require an internet connection, and work faster and more accurately than oMoby, but it will also automatically turn on the LED if more light is required, and works even if you have your screen curtain. In fact, I added a comment to the AppleVis listing to remind people to turn this app off when they're finished by clicking the Home button. You have to do so little to get this running immediately that it's easy to forget that the app is still working. Cheers, Esther On Mar 8, 2011, at 15:32, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Oops! sent it too early! I also was gogni ot say this requires no internet conection so you could sit in a star bucks or at the hotel counter and identify with no internet connection or do it on a plain if you can hear lol! > On Mar 8, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: > >> Omoby does a fine job of money identification and the app is free. >> >> On Mar 8, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> This announcement is for an app that does U.S. Currency recognition, and currently is supported on the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, and 4th generation iPod Touch: LookTel Money Reader ($1.99) by IPPLEX: >>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/looktel-money-reader/id417476558?mt=8 >>> >>> This is extremely fast, accurate, and easy to use; and starts announcing the currency identification within seconds of when you start the app and point the camera of your iDevice at a bill. I've typically held the iPhone 4 about 6 to 10 inches from the bill, but the app is very tolerant of distance, bill orientation, whether the bill is crumpled or folded (though it may take a few seconds more), whether your hand is steady, whether the bill is well centered in the camera field, whether you have the screen curtain on (still works), and whether there is sufficient lighting (the iPhone LED will get automatically turned on by the app if the background light level is too low -- try running the app under bed covers or in a pouch to test this). This version of the app only responds to U.S. currency. No announcements get made in response to Canadian bills or European currency, whereas it will keep repeating "$1" (or whatever the denomination -- $1, $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100) as > l >> on >>> g as the bill is in view of the camera. Remember to turn the app off when done by clicking the "Home" button, or your camera will remain active. (It's easy to forget, since after to you accept the startup screen message acknowledging that this app can't be relied on to detect counterfeit currency all you do is point camera side of your iPhone (the side away from your home screen) at the bills in question, and you almost immediately hear VoiceOver announce "$1" or "$5" -- or whatever the amount is, even if the bill is folded in thirds and the camera is only viewing the back center part of the folded bill at some angle in dim light. ) >>> >>> There's a description and links posted at the AppleVis site, along with a description of some other apps that are currently in development. You can also check their main web site: >>> http://www.looktel.com/products >>> >>> An amazing product for $1.99, and faster and more accurate than oMoby. I'm guessing that one reason they can get this to work so fast is because it is specialized to work for only one type of currency. This app may also work for the second generation iPad 2, given that it should have a camera at least as good as the 4th generation iPod Touch. No information yet on that, I'm afraid. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Esther From tsiegel at softcon.com Wed Mar 9 01:47:09 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 19:47:09 -0600 Subject: accessible FTP server In-Reply-To: <20110308150141.5D5A.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> References: <20110308150141.5D5A.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Message-ID: <96F55CBA-ECA3-4B7D-8CAD-D1007111A876@softcon.com> There are several ftp servers which work on osx. Of those which have vo accessible gui clients, I have no idea, since ftp is typically a command-line thing, and I treat it as such. I don't use anything but the ftp client built-in to osx when ftping files (or ncftp if requiring bookmarks to be saved) So, just keep that in mind. First, osx being a unix variant, comes with an ftp server built-in. You need only to activate it in the services and inetdd file in the / etc folder. However, because of the way osx works, this limits you to only accounts that are on your system, since it's tied into the login process. This means no virtual users, and no alternate home folders separate from the ones that are there by default, and if you have the 10-user version of osx, then that's all yu get in ftp users as well. There is one I really like, put out by ncftp, and you can find it at ncftpd.com that works really well, and does allow virtual users as well as a client that allows scripting for automated uploads/ downloads. For up to 3 users, it's free, above that if you're not on a .edu domain, it's 100 bucks or so for an unlimited license. I've been using it for more than 10 years, and never once had a problem with it, and it definitely works on osx. Another one (I've not used personally, but a lot of folks seem to like) is purftpd, though I don't know where to obtain that one (probably purftp.com) It's free, so if cost is a consideration, then that may be worth checking into. Unfortunately, I don't have my usual machine running at the moment, so I can't check into what other ftp servers may be used on osx, but you can probably search the osx server list on apple's site to locate that particular discussion if you want more information. hth. From n0oxy at charter.net Wed Mar 9 02:06:22 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 20:06:22 -0600 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D8B8F15-4C2C-47BD-8115-616D88F5F898@charter.net> Hi there, welcome to the list and the world of the mac, the mac is great, you might also check out my pod casts on blind cool tech which many users have found helpful, enjoy that mac for sure. On Mar 7, 2011, at 9:07 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > My name is Desi and I live in Phoenix, Arizona. I am a blind Mac user who just got my iMac about 5 weeks ago. I've been trying to join this list since the end of last week. Due to various e-mail difficulties it took me until tonight to get on. Thanks to Lynne and Gordon both for their patience during this process! I am delighted to be here, and am looking forward to meeting you all and learning a lot! > > Desi > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From opensesame at me.com Wed Mar 9 02:10:51 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2011 21:10:51 -0500 Subject: LookTel Money Reader for iPhone and 4th Generation iPod Touch (U.S. Currency reader) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43903AA6-E097-4B50-90D5-1A6820B6FFF5@me.com> I'm an oMoby User, but in my opinion LookTel puts oMoby to shame in terms of recognizing US currency. Seriously, it is that good! Unlike oMoby, it responds within seconds and requires no Internet connection. You launch the App and point the phone's camera at a bill and it tells you what it is. No pictures to take, no lining up the money, not even a single button to press or swipe to make. LookTel recognized all of the US currency I threw at it, at any angle, upside down, front, back, folded, wrinkled, held in my hand, laid on the table, sitting on the dog. And in the dark it automatically turned on my iPhone 4's LED to illuminate the bill, While I realize many countries have intelligently designed their paper currency so that each denomination is a different physical size, here in the US we're not so fortunate, so I consider this App a two dollar godsend. Cheers, Bryan On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:24 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: > Omoby does a fine job of money identification and the app is free. > > On Mar 8, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> This announcement is for an app that does U.S. Currency recognition, and currently is supported on the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, and 4th generation iPod Touch: LookTel Money Reader ($1.99) by IPPLEX: >> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/looktel-money-reader/id417476558?mt=8 >> >> This is extremely fast, accurate, and easy to use; and starts announcing the currency identification within seconds of when you start the app and point the camera of your iDevice at a bill. I've typically held the iPhone 4 about 6 to 10 inches from the bill, but the app is very tolerant of distance, bill orientation, whether the bill is crumpled or folded (though it may take a few seconds more), whether your hand is steady, whether the bill is well centered in the camera field, whether you have the screen curtain on (still works), and whether there is sufficient lighting (the iPhone LED will get automatically turned on by the app if the background light level is too low -- try running the app under bed covers or in a pouch to test this). This version of the app only responds to U.S. currency. No announcements get made in response to Canadian bills or European currency, whereas it will keep repeating "$1" (or whatever the denomination -- $1, $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100) as l > on >> g as the bill is in view of the camera. Remember to turn the app off when done by clicking the "Home" button, or your camera will remain active. (It's easy to forget, since after to you accept the startup screen message acknowledging that this app can't be relied on to detect counterfeit currency all you do is point camera side of your iPhone (the side away from your home screen) at the bills in question, and you almost immediately hear VoiceOver announce "$1" or "$5" -- or whatever the amount is, even if the bill is folded in thirds and the camera is only viewing the back center part of the folded bill at some angle in dim light. ) >> >> There's a description and links posted at the AppleVis site, along with a description of some other apps that are currently in development. You can also check their main web site: >> http://www.looktel.com/products >> >> An amazing product for $1.99, and faster and more accurate than oMoby. I'm guessing that one reason they can get this to work so fast is because it is specialized to work for only one type of currency. This app may also work for the second generation iPad 2, given that it should have a camera at least as good as the 4th generation iPod Touch. No information yet on that, I'm afraid. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Esther >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 02:12:31 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 18:12:31 -0800 Subject: accessible FTP server In-Reply-To: <96F55CBA-ECA3-4B7D-8CAD-D1007111A876@softcon.com> References: <20110308150141.5D5A.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <96F55CBA-ECA3-4B7D-8CAD-D1007111A876@softcon.com> Message-ID: <57D88686-42BE-4B1D-9497-BDD0F713066F@gmail.com> and how hard is it to use the command line? I'm a very bad user of the terminal as I don't feel comfortable. my spelling and memorization of the thing. On Mar 8, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > There are several ftp servers which work on osx. Of those which have vo accessible gui clients, I have no idea, since ftp is typically a command-line thing, and I treat it as such. I don't use anything but the ftp client built-in to osx when ftping files (or ncftp if requiring bookmarks to be saved) So, just keep that in mind. > First, osx being a unix variant, comes with an ftp server built-in. You need only to activate it in the services and inetdd file in the /etc folder. > However, because of the way osx works, this limits you to only accounts that are on your system, since it's tied into the login process. This means no virtual users, and no alternate home folders separate from the ones that are there by default, and if you have the 10-user version of osx, then that's all yu get in ftp users as well. > There is one I really like, put out by ncftp, and you can find it at ncftpd.com that works really well, and does allow virtual users as well as a client that allows scripting for automated uploads/downloads. For up to 3 users, it's free, above that if you're not on a .edu domain, it's 100 bucks or so for an unlimited license. > I've been using it for more than 10 years, and never once had a problem with it, and it definitely works on osx. > Another one (I've not used personally, but a lot of folks seem to like) is purftpd, though I don't know where to obtain that one (probably purftp.com) > It's free, so if cost is a consideration, then that may be worth checking into. > Unfortunately, I don't have my usual machine running at the moment, so I can't check into what other ftp servers may be used on osx, but you can probably search the osx server list on apple's site to locate that particular discussion if you want more information. > hth. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Wed Mar 9 02:29:02 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 20:29:02 -0600 Subject: Questions about getting a mac In-Reply-To: References: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283003FDE131@SN1PRD0201MB100.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <3B18A521-9587-4FAD-8545-4B81C387F0CD@charter.net> I can probably also give you some hints, feel free to contact me off list and I can give you some ideas for safari as well as the mac in general if you like. On Mar 8, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Desi Noller wrote: > Simon, > > Are you willing to share the tricks you've found for using Safari? I am still quite new to the Mac, but have had fairly good success using Safari, also as a former JAWS with Windows Explorer user. Anything you've discovered that would make Safari even easier to use would be most appreciated! A fellow Mac user friend of mine helped me set up my Safari preferences, for which I have been most grateful! She showed me how to use the web rotor, and I have the numpad Commander turned on as well. Is there anything else I should know about? Thanks in advance! > > Desi > > > On Mar 8, 2011, at 1:44 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote: > >> >> Linda Mumford wrote: >> >>> >>> 1. I need a laptop for writing documents (currently use word), surfing the net, and for scanning my mail. What's the difference between the Mac air, MacBook, and the MacBook Pro? >> These are all laptop types mac computers which differ by weight, shape, power and specifications but they are all very good machines. Macbook air is the latest, the lightest model, with solid flash type memory but it is also one of the most expensive options. >> >>> 2. Is Safari as good as internet explorer accessibility-wise? >> I came to mac from Windows, and I had to learn an awful lot as the way you operate your screen reader is different. Now, I wouldn't go back to Windows. Safari is great although at times and only with some actions Internet Explorer and Jaws would appear to accomplish tasks more quickkly. However, I wouldn't go back to Internet Explorer. Once you learn how to use Voiceover on the Internet and nderstand various tricks, you should be fine. But please bear in mind that it will be a different experience and one needs to accept it. >>> >>> 3. I understand that OpenBook software is not compatible with the Mac. If this is so, what scanning software do you use? >> I use two pieces of software in conjunction with each other. I use Vuescan to scan my text to image files, and I use Abbyy Express FineReader to recgonise the image files into text. The latter piece of software has the ability to recognise two languages at a time which I find helpful for recognising bilingual material. >>> Hope this will help somewhat. Others on the list have more technical knowledge andI am sure that they will post answers to your questions too. There are various podcasts on the internet describing how to use various features of a mac computer or related software with Voiceover. >>> Much thanks for your time and patience, >>> Linda Mumford >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Mar 9 03:09:31 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 03:09:31 +0000 Subject: installing Eudora with Rosetta? In-Reply-To: <4d7420f0.c43ddc0a.5f7e.0b14@mx.google.com> References: <4d7420f0.c43ddc0a.5f7e.0b14@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9A3165A0-2536-4E21-909A-B92E2BC8A7FB@mac-access.net> Kevin Eudora Mac is inaccessible. Lynne On 7 Mar 2011, at 00:04, Kevin Barry wrote: Folks, I would like to install Eudora which is an e-mail program I use on Windows. It was discontinued a while ago for both the PC and the Mac but it still works fine. It was written in the pre-intel era for Macs so I am told this requires the use of Rosetta. I am also told it should work on a modern Mac. the install file has an hqx extension. How do I go about this? thanks for any help. Kevin Kevin Barry If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Mar 9 03:13:38 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 03:13:38 +0000 Subject: Take Control; [Update] Running Windows On A Mac In-Reply-To: <4F8F30F9-2B2A-4BFA-A5AB-312B90F39A69@googlemail.com> References: <9C97866A-728C-4D2F-B110-EE93B44EE52C@mac-access.net> <4F8F30F9-2B2A-4BFA-A5AB-312B90F39A69@googlemail.com> Message-ID: Hello Gordon On 7 Mar 2011, at 21:34, Gordon Keen wrote: Schoolboy smirk. Please sir, isn't this off topic for this list sir? Snort! Since these are Mac books, not at all off topic. You're talking here about how to run the thing and set it up. The actual discussion is in the books, not on the list. Hah hah hah, get out of that one! ;-) Now, get outside and stand in the corner with the dunce's cap on your head. ;-) Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Mar 9 03:15:16 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 03:15:16 +0000 Subject: VMware and Windows 7 on a MackBook Pro. In-Reply-To: <186C4470415944D48F2B99838E4A4DAA@MainComputer> References: <186C4470415944D48F2B99838E4A4DAA@MainComputer> Message-ID: <6340AAD9-1EB7-4E7D-BDD6-8835C49FCD23@mac-access.net> Jim The discussion of the virtual machine configuration is on topic, it's only Windows itself which is off topic. Lynne On 8 Mar 2011, at 00:42, Jim Noseworthy wrote: Hi Folks: I'm not sure if this subject is kosher on this list: if not, can someone point me to a place where I can ask some questions about a problem installation that I am having? From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 03:27:12 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 21:27:12 -0600 Subject: Icy: added repos not showing up in category/search Message-ID: <496FAFC6-BF11-4B28-911E-D3D837981279@gmail.com> I've added several repos/sources in Icy, where I've gone into category to see list of repos and even to do a search, where I've found that most of the added repos don't show up. unfortunately, only some show up. Refresh, Respring, and hard-reset doesn't seem to help. ANy ideas/suggestions? Sent from my iPhone From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Mar 9 03:34:48 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 03:34:48 +0000 Subject: Take Control Books. In-Reply-To: <1E236010-8093-4911-89CC-691A9C85253B@fastmail.us> References: <55FB487BF40449A69351C8B25E334235@MainComputer> <1E236010-8093-4911-89CC-691A9C85253B@fastmail.us> Message-ID: Hello Justin, Jim & all I will pass this on to Gordon. Please forgive his lack of activity on list. He's currently working on a massive I.T. project which he got lumbered with out of the blue on Monday. Currently he's doing 18-hour days just to keep up and is currently flat out on the sofa, not even having been able to summon up the energy to go up to bed. No, No, honestly; this isn't a case of wife kicks husband out to sleep on couch while she pouts! ;-) On 8 Mar 2011, at 23:42, Justin Ekis wrote: ? I completely agree. I recently purchased a few books as well. Everything went very quickly and smoothly, and I'm now enjoying some interesting and useful content. The price is also great. It was just a very small amount more than I had expected due to the exchange rate, but it wasn't significant. Still an incredible deal for what I was buying. I really appreciate having access to such a good service. Thank you very much one and all. We are aware that there have beebn a few glitches since our migration; and we acknowledge that we would have liked to have had them all fixed up by now. But Gordon has been incredibly busy recently here at home and elsewhere. But we promise that, where possible, we will help you to work around the issues until he can get in there and fix them properly. That will happen soon, I promise. But Simon and anybody else still having problems, please be aware that we are taking your issues very seriously and will move mountains to get them sorted and work with you again. Meanwhile, it's business as usual if anybody wants these books from us. Be aware also that we do everything we do at 0 profit and, in fact, sometimes at a loss. Lynne From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 03:34:28 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 21:34:28 -0600 Subject: installing Eudora with Rosetta? In-Reply-To: <9A3165A0-2536-4E21-909A-B92E2BC8A7FB@mac-access.net> References: <4d7420f0.c43ddc0a.5f7e.0b14@mx.google.com> <9A3165A0-2536-4E21-909A-B92E2BC8A7FB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <21ADF97A-C348-4192-B80E-329AFED825A1@gmail.com> Mac OS X has a great email client, which I haven't found anything that even comes close, which is Mail.app. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2011, at 9:09 PM, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" wrote: > Kevin > > Eudora Mac is inaccessible. > > Lynne > > On 7 Mar 2011, at 00:04, Kevin Barry wrote: > > Folks, > I would like to install Eudora which is an e-mail program I use on Windows. > It was discontinued a while ago for both the PC and the Mac but it still works fine. > It was written in the pre-intel era for Macs so I am told this requires the use of Rosetta. > I am also told it should work on a modern Mac. > the install file has an hqx extension. > How do I go about this? > thanks for any help. > Kevin > > > > > Kevin Barry > If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 03:31:47 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 21:31:47 -0600 Subject: accessible FTP server In-Reply-To: <96F55CBA-ECA3-4B7D-8CAD-D1007111A876@softcon.com> References: <20110308150141.5D5A.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <96F55CBA-ECA3-4B7D-8CAD-D1007111A876@softcon.com> Message-ID: <9E8C9CA4-F7FF-467C-AF38-E1BF3CE6D708@gmail.com> I'd recommend Cyberduck or Trasmission. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 8, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > There are several ftp servers which work on osx. Of those which have vo accessible gui clients, I have no idea, since ftp is typically a command-line thing, and I treat it as such. I don't use anything but the ftp client built-in to osx when ftping files (or ncftp if requiring bookmarks to be saved) So, just keep that in mind. > First, osx being a unix variant, comes with an ftp server built-in. You need only to activate it in the services and inetdd file in the /etc folder. > However, because of the way osx works, this limits you to only accounts that are on your system, since it's tied into the login process. This means no virtual users, and no alternate home folders separate from the ones that are there by default, and if you have the 10-user version of osx, then that's all yu get in ftp users as well. > There is one I really like, put out by ncftp, and you can find it at ncftpd.com that works really well, and does allow virtual users as well as a client that allows scripting for automated uploads/downloads. For up to 3 users, it's free, above that if you're not on a .edu domain, it's 100 bucks or so for an unlimited license. > I've been using it for more than 10 years, and never once had a problem with it, and it definitely works on osx. > Another one (I've not used personally, but a lot of folks seem to like) is purftpd, though I don't know where to obtain that one (probably purftp.com) > It's free, so if cost is a consideration, then that may be worth checking into. > Unfortunately, I don't have my usual machine running at the moment, so I can't check into what other ftp servers may be used on osx, but you can probably search the osx server list on apple's site to locate that particular discussion if you want more information. > hth. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gunn at tznet.com Wed Mar 9 04:10:05 2011 From: gunn at tznet.com (John Gunn) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:10:05 -0600 Subject: LookTel Money Reader for iPhone and 4th Generation iPod Touch (U.S. Currency reader) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Esther: Wow, what an app. I have a room in the basement with all my musical keyboards, ham radios as well as the iMac, keeping the lights turned off I tried it with the iPhone4 and as little as 2 or less seconds correctly scanned. Thanks for the tip. John On Mar 8, 2011, at 6:49 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi All, > > This announcement is for an app that does U.S. Currency recognition, and currently is supported on the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, and 4th generation iPod Touch: LookTel Money Reader ($1.99) by IPPLEX: > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/looktel-money-reader/id417476558?mt=8 > > This is extremely fast, accurate, and easy to use; and starts announcing the currency identification within seconds of when you start the app and point the camera of your iDevice at a bill. I've typically held the iPhone 4 about 6 to 10 inches from the bill, but the app is very tolerant of distance, bill orientation, whether the bill is crumpled or folded (though it may take a few seconds more), whether your hand is steady, whether the bill is well centered in the camera field, whether you have the screen curtain on (still works), and whether there is sufficient lighting (the iPhone LED will get automatically turned on by the app if the background light level is too low -- try running the app under bed covers or in a pouch to test this). This version of the app only responds to U.S. currency. No announcements get made in response to Canadian bills or European currency, whereas it will keep repeating "$1" (or whatever the denomination -- $1, $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100) as lon > g as the bill is in view of the camera. Remember to turn the app off when done by clicking the "Home" button, or your camera will remain active. (It's easy to forget, since after to you accept the startup screen message acknowledging that this app can't be relied on to detect counterfeit currency all you do is point camera side of your iPhone (the side away from your home screen) at the bills in question, and you almost immediately hear VoiceOver announce "$1" or "$5" -- or whatever the amount is, even if the bill is folded in thirds and the camera is only viewing the back center part of the folded bill at some angle in dim light. ) > > There's a description and links posted at the AppleVis site, along with a description of some other apps that are currently in development. You can also check their main web site: > http://www.looktel.com/products > > An amazing product for $1.99, and faster and more accurate than oMoby. I'm guessing that one reason they can get this to work so fast is because it is specialized to work for only one type of currency. This app may also work for the second generation iPad 2, given that it should have a camera at least as good as the 4th generation iPod Touch. No information yet on that, I'm afraid. > > Cheers, > > Esther > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From roger.firman at btinternet.com Wed Mar 9 06:39:35 2011 From: roger.firman at btinternet.com (Roger Firman) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 06:39:35 -0000 Subject: A few queries, if I may Message-ID: Hello, I am wondering what people's experiences might be concerning word processing packages for the Mac and if one specific product has proven to be more accessible than another? Secondly, is it possible to use a USB on both Mac and PC computers and if so, does it need to be a specific make or not? Regards, Roger. From roger.firman at btinternet.com Wed Mar 9 07:52:55 2011 From: roger.firman at btinternet.com (Roger Firman) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:52:55 -0000 Subject: Previous message Message-ID: Hello, Many apologies for being unclear about the USB query. I was thinking of USB memory sticks. Roger. From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 07:59:39 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 07:59:39 +0000 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <46AD3D30-E0A1-4879-B7C8-4CBC307AAD12@gmail.com> References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> <5B21FDEE-87C2-4374-B059-AD78C7851892@mac-access.net> <46AD3D30-E0A1-4879-B7C8-4CBC307AAD12@gmail.com> Message-ID: <86E04511-8737-4046-BE92-664CBEE705EC@gmail.com> The client is unusable On 6 Mar 2011, at 12:17, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Coming into this a bit late, what exactly is the problem with DropBox? > > Thanks > TC :) > James > On 6 Mar 2011, at 06:46, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> No,. I'm one who, well, listen to my podcasts and youtube channel. lol! I've gotten some devs to listen like the ones who make dictation for the iphone, Ok about 4 o 5 of us did. >> >> Ok you take care. >> On Mar 5, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi Sarah >>> >>> That's great; just didn't want you to get your fingers burned. Although they're probably already covered with rings and stuff, I kind of get the feeling you're the kind of chick that like rings, necklaces and stuff. LOL >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> On 6 Mar 2011, at 06:00, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> >>> Oh no I would not say anything bad. but no worrie. I think it would work out. I'm more of pointing out what's wrong which in this case is the installer an the prefs pain. the rest is quite doable. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From e.zwicker at sympatico.ca Wed Mar 9 08:18:38 2011 From: e.zwicker at sympatico.ca (Earle) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 03:18:38 -0500 Subject: Accessing Unseen Items In Status Bar Message-ID: I am having difficulty accessing unseen items in the status bar. I recently heard a podcast, but I just can't get it to work. These are the steps I'm performing. Can someone tell me where I'm going wrong? I'd appreciate any info that anyone can provide. 1. Turned off track pad commander in voiceOver. 2. Set the option to have the mouse move vo cursor in vo utility. 3. I move to a finder window so I have a place of reference. 4. Then I use a finger and slowly start moving towards the top. 5. I'm not finding the status bar though. I see items that are in the finder window, but no status bar. Are there any options that I need to change under track pad settings in system preferences? I also tried getting to the status menu with vo MM, then routing the mouse cursor. I had some success with this, but I ended up inside the battery menu somehow. Oh well, enough ranting for now. Any hints would be greatly received. Thanks ---------- Earle Twitter, facebook, Skype, and Yahoo: rowdyamerican Msn: peterson_33 at sympatico.ca From va3ets2000 at me.com Wed Mar 9 11:02:08 2011 From: va3ets2000 at me.com (Dan Eickmeier) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 06:02:08 -0500 Subject: A few queries, if I may In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C30F08C-7CC2-48BA-8D89-D52A65C8C409@me.com> Hi Roger, you can certainly use a usb stick on a Mac just fine. Hope this helps. On Mar 9, 2011, at 1:39 AM, Roger Firman wrote: > Hello, > > I am wondering what people's experiences might be concerning word processing > packages for the Mac and if one specific product has proven to be more > accessible than another? > > Secondly, is it possible to use a USB on both Mac and PC computers and if > so, does it need to be a specific make or not? > > Regards, > > Roger. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordonkeen at googlemail.com Wed Mar 9 12:14:36 2011 From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 12:14:36 +0000 Subject: evernote problem Message-ID: <357EC03D-7616-4B69-B2B1-C8D8D8DD5570@googlemail.com> Hi I'll be beggared if I can figure this one out, I appear to have created an account using the evernote.dmg package as opposed to the web site to avoid the graphical challenge, however every time I try and sign in it says my password is invalid but I have used the correct one I am certain. anyone had a similar problem? 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For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 15:21:15 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 10:21:15 -0500 Subject: LookTel Money Reader for iPhone and 4th Generation iPod Touch (U.S. Currency reader) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I6 took 3 seconds to point the camera at the bill, and another 5 seconds for the result to come back. Omoby identifies so many things besides U.S. dollars, including foreign currency. And, once again, it's absolutely free! On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > but thi is a lot quicker and you don't hqve to center anything. I was able to identify a bill in about 0.5 seconds wiht out finding the take picture button centering it and takign the pic and waiting for it to upload an dstuff. > On Mar 8, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: > >> Omoby does a fine job of money identification and the app is free. >> >> On Mar 8, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> This announcement is for an app that does U.S. Currency recognition, and currently is supported on the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, and 4th generation iPod Touch: LookTel Money Reader ($1.99) by IPPLEX: >>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/looktel-money-reader/id417476558?mt=8 >>> >>> This is extremely fast, accurate, and easy to use; and starts announcing the currency identification within seconds of when you start the app and point the camera of your iDevice at a bill. I've typically held the iPhone 4 about 6 to 10 inches from the bill, but the app is very tolerant of distance, bill orientation, whether the bill is crumpled or folded (though it may take a few seconds more), whether your hand is steady, whether the bill is well centered in the camera field, whether you have the screen curtain on (still works), and whether there is sufficient lighting (the iPhone LED will get automatically turned on by the app if the background light level is too low -- try running the app under bed covers or in a pouch to test this). This version of the app only responds to U.S. currency. No announcements get made in response to Canadian bills or European currency, whereas it will keep repeating "$1" (or whatever the denomination -- $1, $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100) as > l >> on >>> g as the bill is in view of the camera. Remember to turn the app off when done by clicking the "Home" button, or your camera will remain active. (It's easy to forget, since after to you accept the startup screen message acknowledging that this app can't be relied on to detect counterfeit currency all you do is point camera side of your iPhone (the side away from your home screen) at the bills in question, and you almost immediately hear VoiceOver announce "$1" or "$5" -- or whatever the amount is, even if the bill is folded in thirds and the camera is only viewing the back center part of the folded bill at some angle in dim light. ) >>> >>> There's a description and links posted at the AppleVis site, along with a description of some other apps that are currently in development. You can also check their main web site: >>> http://www.looktel.com/products >>> >>> An amazing product for $1.99, and faster and more accurate than oMoby. I'm guessing that one reason they can get this to work so fast is because it is specialized to work for only one type of currency. This app may also work for the second generation iPad 2, given that it should have a camera at least as good as the 4th generation iPod Touch. No information yet on that, I'm afraid. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 15:23:57 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 10:23:57 -0500 Subject: LookTel Money Reader for iPhone and 4th Generation iPod Touch (U.S. Currency reader) In-Reply-To: <7EE4B499-0041-4623-8844-5300756313F8@gmail.com> References: <7EE4B499-0041-4623-8844-5300756313F8@gmail.com> Message-ID: No internet connection is needed to use omoby on the iPhone. On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Oops! sent it too early! I also was gogni ot say this requires no internet conection so you could sit in a star bucks or at the hotel counter and identify with no internet connection or do it on a plain if you can hear lol! > On Mar 8, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: > >> Omoby does a fine job of money identification and the app is free. >> >> On Mar 8, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> This announcement is for an app that does U.S. Currency recognition, and currently is supported on the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, and 4th generation iPod Touch: LookTel Money Reader ($1.99) by IPPLEX: >>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/looktel-money-reader/id417476558?mt=8 >>> >>> This is extremely fast, accurate, and easy to use; and starts announcing the currency identification within seconds of when you start the app and point the camera of your iDevice at a bill. I've typically held the iPhone 4 about 6 to 10 inches from the bill, but the app is very tolerant of distance, bill orientation, whether the bill is crumpled or folded (though it may take a few seconds more), whether your hand is steady, whether the bill is well centered in the camera field, whether you have the screen curtain on (still works), and whether there is sufficient lighting (the iPhone LED will get automatically turned on by the app if the background light level is too low -- try running the app under bed covers or in a pouch to test this). This version of the app only responds to U.S. currency. No announcements get made in response to Canadian bills or European currency, whereas it will keep repeating "$1" (or whatever the denomination -- $1, $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100) as > l >> on >>> g as the bill is in view of the camera. Remember to turn the app off when done by clicking the "Home" button, or your camera will remain active. (It's easy to forget, since after to you accept the startup screen message acknowledging that this app can't be relied on to detect counterfeit currency all you do is point camera side of your iPhone (the side away from your home screen) at the bills in question, and you almost immediately hear VoiceOver announce "$1" or "$5" -- or whatever the amount is, even if the bill is folded in thirds and the camera is only viewing the back center part of the folded bill at some angle in dim light. ) >>> >>> There's a description and links posted at the AppleVis site, along with a description of some other apps that are currently in development. You can also check their main web site: >>> http://www.looktel.com/products >>> >>> An amazing product for $1.99, and faster and more accurate than oMoby. I'm guessing that one reason they can get this to work so fast is because it is specialized to work for only one type of currency. This app may also work for the second generation iPad 2, given that it should have a camera at least as good as the 4th generation iPod Touch. No information yet on that, I'm afraid. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From abreier at kc.rr.com Wed Mar 9 15:32:30 2011 From: abreier at kc.rr.com (Andrea Breier) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 09:32:30 -0600 Subject: LookTel Money Reader for iPhone and 4th Generation iPod Touch(U.S. Currency reader) References: Message-ID: I don't think anyone is trying to discount omoby, but that sometimes it is better and faster to have one app do one thing great, rather than several things okay. I know that for me, if I am in a check out line and want to read money looktel will be what I will use because waiting ten seconds or more per bill will take to long. My best regards to you all, Andrea M. Breier Spread the laughter Share the cheer Let's be happy While we're here! NET SECURITY: When forwarding email messages please consider your obligation to erase all names and email addresses. And send the message by using BCC (Blind Copy) and you will avoid spammers and viruses on the net. Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcy Weinberg" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:21 AM Subject: Re: LookTel Money Reader for iPhone and 4th Generation iPod Touch(U.S. Currency reader) > I6 took 3 seconds to point the camera at the bill, and another 5 seconds > for the result to come back. > > Omoby identifies so many things besides U.S. dollars, including foreign > currency. > > And, once again, it's absolutely free! > > > On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> but thi is a lot quicker and you don't hqve to center anything. I was >> able to identify a bill in about 0.5 seconds wiht out finding the take >> picture button centering it and takign the pic and waiting for it to >> upload an dstuff. >> On Mar 8, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: >> >>> Omoby does a fine job of money identification and the app is free. >>> >>> On Mar 8, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Esther wrote: >>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> This announcement is for an app that does U.S. Currency recognition, >>>> and currently is supported on the iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, and 4th >>>> generation iPod Touch: LookTel Money Reader ($1.99) by IPPLEX: >>>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/looktel-money-reader/id417476558?mt=8 >>>> >>>> This is extremely fast, accurate, and easy to use; and starts >>>> announcing the currency identification within seconds of when you start >>>> the app and point the camera of your iDevice at a bill. I've typically >>>> held the iPhone 4 about 6 to 10 inches from the bill, but the app is >>>> very tolerant of distance, bill orientation, whether the bill is >>>> crumpled or folded (though it may take a few seconds more), whether >>>> your hand is steady, whether the bill is well centered in the camera >>>> field, whether you have the screen curtain on (still works), and >>>> whether there is sufficient lighting (the iPhone LED will get >>>> automatically turned on by the app if the background light level is too >>>> low -- try running the app under bed covers or in a pouch to test >>>> this). This version of the app only responds to U.S. currency. No >>>> announcements get made in response to Canadian bills or European >>>> currency, whereas it will keep repeating "$1" (or whatever the >>>> denomination -- $1, $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100) as > >> l >>> on >>>> g as the bill is in view of the camera. Remember to turn the app >>>> off when done by clicking the "Home" button, or your camera will remain >>>> active. (It's easy to forget, since after to you accept the startup >>>> screen message acknowledging that this app can't be relied on to detect >>>> counterfeit currency all you do is point camera side of your iPhone >>>> (the side away from your home screen) at the bills in question, and you >>>> almost immediately hear VoiceOver announce "$1" or "$5" -- or whatever >>>> the amount is, even if the bill is folded in thirds and the camera is >>>> only viewing the back center part of the folded bill at some angle in >>>> dim light. ) >>>> >>>> There's a description and links posted at the AppleVis site, along with >>>> a description of some other apps that are currently in development. >>>> You can also check their main web site: >>>> http://www.looktel.com/products >>>> >>>> An amazing product for $1.99, and faster and more accurate than oMoby. >>>> I'm guessing that one reason they can get this to work so fast is >>>> because it is specialized to work for only one type of currency. This >>>> app may also work for the second generation iPad 2, given that it >>>> should have a camera at least as good as the 4th generation iPod Touch. >>>> No information yet on that, I'm afraid. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Esther >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >>>> the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >>> the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Wed Mar 9 15:34:34 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 15:34:34 +0000 Subject: A few queries, if I may In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI Roger. As to your first question, iWorks 09, soon to be iWorks 11, is the best Word Processing App for us visually impaired users at the moment. the Word Processing App is called Pages 09. As to your second question, yes, you can run USB from both PC and Mac and no, it doesn't need to be a specific make. What helps is, most external Flash drives are formatted as FAT 32, which makes them universal for both Windows and Mac. As to external hard drives, some of them have to be formatted for the mac to be used, but if you format them as Ex-FAT, you will be able to use them with both Windows and Mac. Hope this helps. Lewis Crack. On 9 Mar 2011, at 06:39, Roger Firman wrote: > Hello, > > I am wondering what people's experiences might be concerning word processing > packages for the Mac and if one specific product has proven to be more > accessible than another? > > Secondly, is it possible to use a USB on both Mac and PC computers and if > so, does it need to be a specific make or not? > > Regards, > > Roger. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From khwicca at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 15:54:41 2011 From: khwicca at gmail.com (Kristeen Hughes) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 10:54:41 -0500 Subject: Playlists in iTunes Question In-Reply-To: <81D45044-86B8-435A-B821-83FB6B994998@scavendish.co.uk> References: <17C8A609-1062-485F-B18C-9B2B9CD9866B@hopewell.org.uk> <7B3FED61-A363-4031-8C6C-8055051CB2AF@gmail.com> <81D45044-86B8-435A-B821-83FB6B994998@scavendish.co.uk> Message-ID: <1DAC4EFB-2F47-4665-83DD-BB6E646DE4F1@gmail.com> Thanks for the helpful info. I will be googling. Kristeen On Mar 8, 2011, at 3:33 AM, Simon Cavendish wrote: > There are some detailed articles on the internet if you do a search via google how to transfer your library and playlists both on mac and windows. > On 7 Mar 2011, at 22:17, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I believe you can transfer the library data base right to the root of your itunes folder under ~music. That's wht I did. >> >> Take care. >> On Mar 7, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: >> >>> I have made playlists on my PC computer with iTunes. I'd like them on my Mac as well. Is this possible and, if so, how? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Kristeen >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From opensesame at me.com Wed Mar 9 15:58:07 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 10:58:07 -0500 Subject: LookTel Money Reader for iPhone and 4th Generation iPod Touch (U.S. Currency reader) In-Reply-To: References: <7EE4B499-0041-4623-8844-5300756313F8@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Marcy, You wrote: > No internet connection is needed to use omoby on the iPhone. Perhaps I'm missing something, but I believe oMoby does indeed require an Internet connection in order to process the object you are trying to identify. Can you tell me how you have managed to get oMoby to do this without an Internet connection? I've searched the Web and everything I find specifically states that an Internet connection is required for oMoby to work. In my testing, If I turn off all Internet connections on my iPhone 4 and then take a photo of an object using oMoby, I am presented with the following error message: "On Hold, Internet Connection Problem." Thank you, Bryan From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 16:17:45 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 11:17:45 -0500 Subject: LookTel Money Reader for iPhone and 4th Generation iPod Touch (U.S. Currency reader) In-Reply-To: References: <7EE4B499-0041-4623-8844-5300756313F8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <326E3285-F34E-47DB-BA24-CE801B7431A1@gmail.com> I meant omoby can connect without wifi. On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hello Marcy, > > You wrote: >> No internet connection is needed to use omoby on the iPhone. > > > Perhaps I'm missing something, but I believe oMoby does indeed require an Internet connection in order to process the object you are trying to identify. Can you tell me how you have managed to get oMoby to do this without an Internet connection? I've searched the Web and everything I find specifically states that an Internet connection is required for oMoby to work. In my testing, If I turn off all Internet connections on my iPhone 4 and then take a photo of an object using oMoby, I am presented with the following error message: "On Hold, Internet Connection Problem." > > Thank you, > Bryan > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From roger.firman at btinternet.com Wed Mar 9 16:27:17 2011 From: roger.firman at btinternet.com (Roger Firman) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 16:27:17 -0000 Subject: A few queries, if I may In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Lewis, Very many thanks for your very helpful reply, much appreciated. Regards, Roger. From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 16:56:18 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 08:56:18 -0800 Subject: accessible FTP server In-Reply-To: <9E8C9CA4-F7FF-467C-AF38-E1BF3CE6D708@gmail.com> References: <20110308150141.5D5A.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <96F55CBA-ECA3-4B7D-8CAD-D1007111A876@softcon.com> <9E8C9CA4-F7FF-467C-AF38-E1BF3CE6D708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7B38CD62-D3F9-4439-B966-CDB72DC041A6@gmail.com> None of which are FTP servers. Those are clients. On 08/03/2011, at 19:31, Kevin Chao wrote: > I'd recommend Cyberduck or Trasmission. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 8, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > >> There are several ftp servers which work on osx. Of those which have vo accessible gui clients, I have no idea, since ftp is typically a command-line thing, and I treat it as such. I don't use anything but the ftp client built-in to osx when ftping files (or ncftp if requiring bookmarks to be saved) So, just keep that in mind. >> First, osx being a unix variant, comes with an ftp server built-in. You need only to activate it in the services and inetdd file in the /etc folder. >> However, because of the way osx works, this limits you to only accounts that are on your system, since it's tied into the login process. This means no virtual users, and no alternate home folders separate from the ones that are there by default, and if you have the 10-user version of osx, then that's all yu get in ftp users as well. >> There is one I really like, put out by ncftp, and you can find it at ncftpd.com that works really well, and does allow virtual users as well as a client that allows scripting for automated uploads/downloads. For up to 3 users, it's free, above that if you're not on a .edu domain, it's 100 bucks or so for an unlimited license. >> I've been using it for more than 10 years, and never once had a problem with it, and it definitely works on osx. >> Another one (I've not used personally, but a lot of folks seem to like) is purftpd, though I don't know where to obtain that one (probably purftp.com) >> It's free, so if cost is a consideration, then that may be worth checking into. >> Unfortunately, I don't have my usual machine running at the moment, so I can't check into what other ftp servers may be used on osx, but you can probably search the osx server list on apple's site to locate that particular discussion if you want more information. >> hth. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 18:25:41 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 12:25:41 -0600 Subject: iOS 4.3 VoiceOver change log Message-ID: iOS 4.3: VoiceOver Feature, Changes, Fixes and Bugs One more thing, our feature request. Feature * with VoiceOver sounds, on power off screen, touch slide to power off, and will hear drilling sound. Changes * In Safari, "tabs" button is relabeled as "pages". * four-finger swipe up or down gesture (to move to first or previous element) is now four-finger tap top-half or bottom-half of touch screen. Fixed: * in slider, three-finger swipe up/down will move in units of 8. * While performing a read-all, slide ring/silent switch will not interrupt read all. * If speech is turned off, adjusting volume doesn't turn speech back on anymore. * when composing/replying to messages in messages, Skype, TweetList, IMPlus, and other apps; virtual keyboard is always present and bluetooth keyboard text entry always works. * replying to an email, adding recipient(s), VoiceOver focus can be placed in message body and text can be entered. * Forwarding an email, adding recipient(s), VoiceOver focus can be placed in message body and text can be entered. * On an active call, receive second call, buttons are labeled properly * With hints off, opening/closing folder gives only tone, no longer provide VO message about opening/closing folder. Bugs * Safari: when tab browsing, switching to different tabs, VoiceOver will display old tab, not new, must toggle VoiceOver. (old) * Safari: loading pages, using bluetooth keyboard to go to next element, will report not found; must return to top and move to next element. (old) * Safari: multiple tabs, check tab count, clear out a few tabs, tab count will still report tab count as if it was never cleared out; must clear out Safari from app switcher for it to be updated properly. (new) * Mail and safari: when HTML content has loaded, says "web site loaded"; should not be this verbose with hints off and sounds on. Loaded sound is more than sufficient. (old) * Any app/screen, when is loaded/refresh, VO focus is always in top left; should be position in content area (preferably in last spot, where one had VO focus). (old) * Push alert auto-reads time, not message content. (old)) * US TTS set to 100% will partially cut off X and H, partial words, but still understandable and can tell what letters they are. (partial) * UK or Australian VoiceOver at 70-100% has speech cut off with a variety of characters,unusable. (old) bluetooth keyboard/virtual, A. keyboard getting stuck B. reviewing by lines/words/characters. truncates lines, reads entire paragraph then individual lines, and switching to word doesn't pick up but instead starts at top of paragraph. Same occurs for when navigating by lines and switching to words, focus is forced to top. C. at times, can't toggle quick nab. may have to restart VoiceOver or iPhone D. no iOS word wrapping, but it exist for iBooks. Feature Request * iOS word-wrapping * iOS shortcut menu: dictionary, Google, etc. * App switcher: kill all apps * VoiceOver find * Text selection and copy in read-only areas * VoiceOver being smart about where focus is placed * Option to auto-read push or not at all (not read time) * Option to route VoiceOver to a different audio output * Independent VoiceOver volume control without bluetooth keyboard. * Pitch control * punctuation control From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 18:46:06 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 12:46:06 -0600 Subject: Podcast: iOS 4.3 VoiceOver; feature, changes, fixes, and bugs Message-ID: Please join VoiceOver On Team as we explore iOS 4.3 VoiceOver: feature, changes, fixes, bugs, and discuss our feature requests. listen: http://VoiceOverOn.podbean.com Subscribe: http://VoiceOverOn.podbean.com/feed From james.london26 at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 21:34:45 2011 From: james.london26 at gmail.com (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 21:34:45 +0000 Subject: Podcast: iOS 4.3 VoiceOver; feature, changes, fixes, and bugs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Didn't think IOS 4.3 was out until tomorrow? On 9 Mar 2011, at 18:46, Kevin Chao wrote: > Please join VoiceOver On Team as we explore iOS 4.3 VoiceOver: > feature, changes, fixes, bugs, and discuss our feature requests. > listen: http://VoiceOverOn.podbean.com > Subscribe: http://VoiceOverOn.podbean.com/feed > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 22:23:01 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 14:23:01 -0800 Subject: Podcast: iOS 4.3 VoiceOver; feature, changes, fixes, and bugs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nope it's out! I upgraded and hate it. lol! No I don't like the new jesters, or shall I say the jestures they changed but I love the sharing feature. On Mar 9, 2011, at 1:34 PM, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > Didn't think IOS 4.3 was out until tomorrow? > On 9 Mar 2011, at 18:46, Kevin Chao wrote: > >> Please join VoiceOver On Team as we explore iOS 4.3 VoiceOver: >> feature, changes, fixes, bugs, and discuss our feature requests. >> listen: http://VoiceOverOn.podbean.com >> Subscribe: http://VoiceOverOn.podbean.com/feed >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 22:51:53 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 14:51:53 -0800 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <86E04511-8737-4046-BE92-664CBEE705EC@gmail.com> References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> <5B21FDEE-87C2-4374-B059-AD78C7851892@mac-access.net> <46AD3D30-E0A1-4879-B7C8-4CBC307AAD12@gmail.com> <86E04511-8737-4046-BE92-664CBEE705EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: It is usable On 08/03/2011, at 23:59, william lomas wrote: > The client is unusable > > On 6 Mar 2011, at 12:17, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> Coming into this a bit late, what exactly is the problem with DropBox? >> >> Thanks >> TC :) >> James >> On 6 Mar 2011, at 06:46, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> No,. I'm one who, well, listen to my podcasts and youtube channel. lol! I've gotten some devs to listen like the ones who make dictation for the iphone, Ok about 4 o 5 of us did. >>> >>> Ok you take care. >>> On Mar 5, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Sarah >>>> >>>> That's great; just didn't want you to get your fingers burned. Although they're probably already covered with rings and stuff, I kind of get the feeling you're the kind of chick that like rings, necklaces and stuff. LOL >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>> >>>> On 6 Mar 2011, at 06:00, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>> >>>> Oh no I would not say anything bad. but no worrie. I think it would work out. I'm more of pointing out what's wrong which in this case is the installer an the prefs pain. the rest is quite doable. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Wed Mar 9 23:04:07 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 23:04:07 +0000 Subject: Calander on the iPhone Message-ID: <80A6470B-9A61-47A6-A27B-26503511FF03@hopewell.org.uk> Hello, I have just upgraded to IOS 4.3. The most useful view of the calendar is one which shows events in chronological order and for each event specifies day, date, title and start time. The list view does this but alas each time I start my iPhone the list view starts in June 2009 and ends in 2013. Is there any way to get it to start close to today's date? If I choose the month view on the iPhone I see that it claims there are no events on some days when I know there is an event, and if I select that day then the event for that day is listed at the mottom of the screen. Looks like a bug here! On my iMac should I perhaps set the options to delete all events older than say 30 days?Then I suppose the iPhone calendar would start no earlier than 30 days ago. If I did that would repeated events which started more than 30 days ago be correctly included? Or is there another better solution? Many thanks. Paul Hopewell From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Wed Mar 9 23:06:46 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 23:06:46 +0000 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> <5B21FDEE-87C2-4374-B059-AD78C7851892@mac-access.net> <46AD3D30-E0A1-4879-B7C8-4CBC307AAD12@gmail.com> <86E04511-8737-4046-BE92-664CBEE705EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi James! I hope you are not confused! One says not usable and the other says usable! So I'll add to the confusion! I do not use the dreaded slopbox but even I know that with some help [ I think sighted ] after you get it set up you can in deed use it! So next to confuse James! Your turn! :] Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 9 Mar 2011, at 22:51, Sarah Alawami wrote: > It is usable > > On 08/03/2011, at 23:59, william lomas wrote: > >> The client is unusable >> >> On 6 Mar 2011, at 12:17, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> Coming into this a bit late, what exactly is the problem with DropBox? >>> >>> Thanks >>> TC :) >>> James >>> On 6 Mar 2011, at 06:46, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> >>>> No,. I'm one who, well, listen to my podcasts and youtube channel. lol! I've gotten some devs to listen like the ones who make dictation for the iphone, Ok about 4 o 5 of us did. >>>> >>>> Ok you take care. >>>> On Mar 5, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Sarah >>>>> >>>>> That's great; just didn't want you to get your fingers burned. Although they're probably already covered with rings and stuff, I kind of get the feeling you're the kind of chick that like rings, necklaces and stuff. LOL >>>>> >>>>> Gordon >>>>> >>>>> On 6 Mar 2011, at 06:00, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Oh no I would not say anything bad. but no worry. I think it would work out. I'm more of pointing out what's wrong which in this case is the installer an the prefs pain. the rest is quite doable. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 23:44:04 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:44:04 -0500 Subject: installing Eudora with Rosetta? In-Reply-To: <9A3165A0-2536-4E21-909A-B92E2BC8A7FB@mac-access.net> References: <4d7420f0.c43ddc0a.5f7e.0b14@mx.google.com> <9A3165A0-2536-4E21-909A-B92E2BC8A7FB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4d7810ba.053ddc0a.15d3.5f66@mx.google.com> Ah, good to know. At 10:09 PM 3/8/2011, you wrote: >Kevin > >Eudora Mac is inaccessible. > >Lynne > >On 7 Mar 2011, at 00:04, Kevin Barry wrote: > > Folks, > I would like to install Eudora which is an e-mail program I use on Windows. >It was discontinued a while ago for both the PC and the Mac but it >still works fine. > It was written in the pre-intel era for Macs so I am told this > requires the use of Rosetta. > I am also told it should work on a modern Mac. >the install file has an hqx extension. > How do I go about this? >thanks for any help. >Kevin > > > > > Kevin Barry >If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Wed Mar 9 23:45:08 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:45:08 -0500 Subject: Icy: added repos not showing up in category/search In-Reply-To: <496FAFC6-BF11-4B28-911E-D3D837981279@gmail.com> References: <496FAFC6-BF11-4B28-911E-D3D837981279@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4d7810fa.2d5c340a.25df.30e7@mx.google.com> I see your e-mail was read on the IIS podcast. At 10:27 PM 3/8/2011, you wrote: >I've added several repos/sources in Icy, where I've gone into >category to see list of repos and even to do a search, where I've >found that most of the added repos don't show up. unfortunately, >only some show up. Refresh, Respring, and hard-reset doesn't seem to help. > >ANy ideas/suggestions? > >Sent from my iPhone >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 00:07:32 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 16:07:32 -0800 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> <5B21FDEE-87C2-4374-B059-AD78C7851892@mac-access.net> <46AD3D30-E0A1-4879-B7C8-4CBC307AAD12@gmail.com> <86E04511-8737-4046-BE92-664CBEE705EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Actually I can install it easily I just runt he app from with in the dmg and so far that has gotten me off the ground in installing. but the app really does need a lot of work with it comes to the system prefs and they need to make it show up in the status bar so we don't have to do fancy footwork. lol! On Mar 9, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Colin M wrote: > Hi James! > I hope you are not confused! > One says not usable and the other says usable! > So I'll add to the confusion! > I do not use the dreaded slopbox but even I know that with some help [ I think sighted ] after you get it set up you can in deed use it! > So next to confuse James! > Your turn! :] > Colin > Qapla! > > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > > On 9 Mar 2011, at 22:51, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> It is usable >> >> On 08/03/2011, at 23:59, william lomas wrote: >> >>> The client is unusable >>> >>> On 6 Mar 2011, at 12:17, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> >>>> Coming into this a bit late, what exactly is the problem with DropBox? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> TC :) >>>> James >>>> On 6 Mar 2011, at 06:46, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>> >>>>> No,. I'm one who, well, listen to my podcasts and youtube channel. lol! I've gotten some devs to listen like the ones who make dictation for the iphone, Ok about 4 o 5 of us did. >>>>> >>>>> Ok you take care. >>>>> On Mar 5, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Sarah >>>>>> >>>>>> That's great; just didn't want you to get your fingers burned. Although they're probably already covered with rings and stuff, I kind of get the feeling you're the kind of chick that like rings, necklaces and stuff. LOL >>>>>> >>>>>> Gordon >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6 Mar 2011, at 06:00, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh no I would not say anything bad. but no worry. I think it would work out. I'm more of pointing out what's wrong which in this case is the installer an the prefs pain. the rest is quite doable. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 00:08:25 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 16:08:25 -0800 Subject: Calander on the iPhone In-Reply-To: <80A6470B-9A61-47A6-A27B-26503511FF03@hopewell.org.uk> References: <80A6470B-9A61-47A6-A27B-26503511FF03@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: Hmm I'm as new at this update as you are. lol. but Iwould try that. I would wait though until I get firther confirmation. lol! On Mar 9, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello, > I have just upgraded to IOS 4.3. > > The most useful view of the calendar is one which shows events in chronological order and for each event specifies day, date, title and start time. The list view does this but alas each time I start my iPhone the list view starts in June 2009 and ends in 2013. Is there any way to get it to start close to today's date? > > If I choose the month view on the iPhone I see that it claims there are no events on some days when I know there is an event, and if I select that day then the event for that day is listed at the mottom of the screen. Looks like a bug here! > > > On my iMac should I perhaps set the options to delete all events older than say 30 days?Then I suppose the iPhone calendar would start no earlier than 30 days ago. If I did that would repeated events which started more than 30 days ago be correctly included? Or is there another better solution? > Many thanks. > > Paul Hopewell > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 00:14:21 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 18:14:21 -0600 Subject: Podcast: iOS 4.3 VoiceOver; feature, changes, fixes, and bugs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4115E671-BC3C-4D69-BDE4-3005ABC23D33@gmail.com> iOS 4.3 has been out since 10:00 AM Pacific time. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 9, 2011, at 3:34 PM, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > Didn't think IOS 4.3 was out until tomorrow? > On 9 Mar 2011, at 18:46, Kevin Chao wrote: > >> Please join VoiceOver On Team as we explore iOS 4.3 VoiceOver: >> feature, changes, fixes, bugs, and discuss our feature requests. >> listen: http://VoiceOverOn.podbean.com >> Subscribe: http://VoiceOverOn.podbean.com/feed >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 00:47:05 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 19:47:05 -0500 Subject: LookTel Money Reader for iPhone and 4th Generation iPod Touch(U.S. Currency reader) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4d781f7e.c163340a.16b5.3067@mx.google.com> I just installed the LookTell app on my Ipod touch. wow! Amazing. Best $2 I've spent in a while. At 10:32 AM 3/9/2011, you wrote: >I don't think anyone is trying to discount omoby, but that sometimes >it is better and faster to have one app do one thing great, rather >than several things okay. I know that for me, if I am in a check >out line and want to read money looktel will be what I will use >because waiting ten seconds or more per bill will take to long. >My best regards to you all, > >Andrea M. Breier > >Spread the laughter >Share the cheer >Let's be happy >While we're here! > >NET SECURITY: When forwarding email messages please consider your >obligation to erase all names and email addresses. And send the >message by using BCC (Blind Copy) and you will avoid spammers and >viruses on the net. > >Thank you. >----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcy Weinberg" > >To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 9:21 AM >Subject: Re: LookTel Money Reader for iPhone and 4th Generation iPod >Touch(U.S. Currency reader) > > >>I6 took 3 seconds to point the camera at the bill, and another 5 >>seconds for the result to come back. >> >>Omoby identifies so many things besides U.S. dollars, including >>foreign currency. >> >>And, once again, it's absolutely free! >> >> >>On Mar 8, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>>but thi is a lot quicker and you don't hqve to center anything. I >>>was able to identify a bill in about 0.5 seconds wiht out finding >>>the take picture button centering it and takign the pic and >>>waiting for it to upload an dstuff. >>>On Mar 8, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Marcy Weinberg wrote: >>> >>>>Omoby does a fine job of money identification and the app is free. >>>> >>>>On Mar 8, 2011, at 7:49 PM, Esther wrote: >>>> >>>>>Hi All, >>>>> >>>>>This announcement is for an app that does U.S. Currency >>>>>recognition, and currently is supported on the iPhone 3GS, >>>>>iPhone 4, and 4th generation iPod Touch: LookTel Money Reader >>>>>($1.99) by IPPLEX: >>>>>http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/looktel-money-reader/id417476558?mt=8 >>>>> >>>>>This is extremely fast, accurate, and easy to use; and starts >>>>>announcing the currency identification within seconds of when >>>>>you start the app and point the camera of your iDevice at a >>>>>bill. I've typically held the iPhone 4 about 6 to 10 inches >>>>>from the bill, but the app is very tolerant of distance, bill >>>>>orientation, whether the bill is crumpled or folded (though it >>>>>may take a few seconds more), whether your hand is steady, >>>>>whether the bill is well centered in the camera field, whether >>>>>you have the screen curtain on (still works), and whether there >>>>>is sufficient lighting (the iPhone LED will get automatically >>>>>turned on by the app if the background light level is too low -- >>>>>try running the app under bed covers or in a pouch to test >>>>>this). This version of the app only responds to U.S. currency. >>>>>No announcements get made in response to Canadian bills or >>>>>European currency, whereas it will keep repeating "$1" (or >>>>>whatever the denomination -- $1, $5, $10, $20, $50, or $100) as >> >>>l >>>>on >>>>>g as the bill is in view of the camera. Remember to turn the >>>>>app off when done by clicking the "Home" button, or your camera >>>>>will remain active. (It's easy to forget, since after to you >>>>>accept the startup screen message acknowledging that this app >>>>>can't be relied on to detect counterfeit currency all you do is >>>>>point camera side of your iPhone (the side away from your home >>>>>screen) at the bills in question, and you almost immediately >>>>>hear VoiceOver announce "$1" or "$5" -- or whatever the amount >>>>>is, even if the bill is folded in thirds and the camera is only >>>>>viewing the back center part of the folded bill at some angle in dim light. ) >>>>> >>>>>There's a description and links posted at the AppleVis site, >>>>>along with a description of some other apps that are currently >>>>>in development. You can also check their main web site: >>>>>http://www.looktel.com/products >>>>> >>>>>An amazing product for $1.99, and faster and more accurate than >>>>>oMoby. I'm guessing that one reason they can get this to work so >>>>>fast is because it is specialized to work for only one type of >>>>>currency. This app may also work for the second generation iPad >>>>>2, given that it should have a camera at least as good as the >>>>>4th generation iPod Touch. No information yet on that, I'm afraid. >>>>> >>>>>Cheers, >>>>> >>>>>Esther >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>>To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>>You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >>>>>posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, >>>>>Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>>Please remember to update your membership options periodically >>>>>by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>> >>>>To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>>You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >>>>posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>>The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, >>>>Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>>Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>> >>>To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>>You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >>>posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>>The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, >>>Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>>Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>visiting the list website at: >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >> >>To reply to this post, please address your message to >>mac-access at mac-access.net >> >>You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >>posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >>The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>virus and worm-free! >> >>Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>visiting the list website at: >> > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Thu Mar 10 00:51:38 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 20:51:38 -0400 Subject: Skype question Message-ID: Hi Folks: On a Mac, is there a way to invite an incoming call in to a Skype conference? Thanks all over the place gang. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Mar 10 00:53:13 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 00:53:13 +0000 Subject: accessible FTP server In-Reply-To: <7B38CD62-D3F9-4439-B966-CDB72DC041A6@gmail.com> References: <20110308150141.5D5A.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <96F55CBA-ECA3-4B7D-8CAD-D1007111A876@softcon.com> <9E8C9CA4-F7FF-467C-AF38-E1BF3CE6D708@gmail.com> <7B38CD62-D3F9-4439-B966-CDB72DC041A6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7B45A7F7-04BD-4A07-B277-93E15C8406B6@mac-access.net> Transmission isn't even an FTP client, it's a torrent programme I believe. But yes, Sarah is quite right. On 9 Mar 2011, at 16:56, Sarah Alawami wrote: None of which are FTP servers. Those are clients. From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Mar 10 00:56:57 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 00:56:57 +0000 Subject: iOS 4.3 VoiceOver change log In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7936F564-F159-4B3E-B4D1-F3E5EBAE4570@mac-access.net> Has this info been officially sanctioned by Apple? if not, please be careful. If so that's good. From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Mar 10 01:02:53 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 01:02:53 +0000 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> <5B21FDEE-87C2-4374-B059-AD78C7851892@mac-access.net> <46AD3D30-E0A1-4879-B7C8-4CBC307AAD12@gmail.com> <86E04511-8737-4046-BE92-664CBEE705EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8399F1F5-E6F6-4CFF-AEA4-4314EF7D1A95@mac-access.net> Hi Sarah I guess what would be more appropriate would be to say it's usable by some. By those fortunate enough to know how to use it, it's usable. By those who are fully up on the VoiceOver gestures, it's usable. But by those for whom the gestures are still a mystery, it's not. I need to get this thing installed here and really play with it. I confess I don't use the trackpad nearly as much as I should. Gordon On 9 Mar 2011, at 22:51, Sarah Alawami wrote: It is usable From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 01:03:28 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:03:28 -0800 Subject: iOS 4.3 VoiceOver change log In-Reply-To: <7936F564-F159-4B3E-B4D1-F3E5EBAE4570@mac-access.net> References: <7936F564-F159-4B3E-B4D1-F3E5EBAE4570@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Huh? the update's out. and the change log is rel. I can confirm this as I've already been using th eupdate for a few hours now. On Mar 9, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Has this info been officially sanctioned by Apple? if not, please be careful. If so that's good. > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 01:04:27 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:04:27 -0800 Subject: accessible FTP server In-Reply-To: <7B45A7F7-04BD-4A07-B277-93E15C8406B6@mac-access.net> References: <20110308150141.5D5A.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <96F55CBA-ECA3-4B7D-8CAD-D1007111A876@softcon.com> <9E8C9CA4-F7FF-467C-AF38-E1BF3CE6D708@gmail.com> <7B38CD62-D3F9-4439-B966-CDB72DC041A6@gmail.com> <7B45A7F7-04BD-4A07-B277-93E15C8406B6@mac-access.net> Message-ID: transmit is an ftp client. I use it. Dunno about transmission. the only thing I know about that is it is going in one of our cars and i need to have someone take a look at it. lol couldn't resist. On Mar 9, 2011, at 4:53 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Transmission isn't even an FTP client, it's a torrent programme I believe. But yes, Sarah is quite right. > > On 9 Mar 2011, at 16:56, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > None of which are FTP servers. Those are clients. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Thu Mar 10 01:07:56 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:07:56 +1100 Subject: need major help with i tunes please Message-ID: <3A6FA09B-3136-44D0-8F5B-6547347AA3E8@bluebottle.com> hi my name is krystal watson and i am new to the list i just got a mac last friday and i am having problrmbs with i tunes i have a lot of music and have it on my external hard drive my hard dive is one of those ones you have to plug in to the power point and if you don't use it for a certain amount of time it powers off till you use it again some times i ad files to the i tunes libruary and it will say the i tunes lib can not be saved error 13001 i have tryed eracing lib and adding things again but the same thing keeps happening my friend has a drive simmlar to mine and has no problemb if any one can help me out that would be grate as i love my music and this upsets me that it keeps going on i have msn and skype if any one wants to ad me to help me out my skype name is musicangel31 and my msn is krystalwatson at bluebottle.com thanks all for your help cheers from krystal watson From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Mar 10 01:13:41 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 01:13:41 +0000 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> <5B21FDEE-87C2-4374-B059-AD78C7851892@mac-access.net> <46AD3D30-E0A1-4879-B7C8-4CBC307AAD12@gmail.com> <86E04511-8737-4046-BE92-664CBEE705EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <79416E39-8AA5-4615-9962-DE79F795B957@mac-access.net> Hi Colin Sorry to add to the confusion, but I'm not James. I am liaising with the developers of this app directly now. Thank you to those who sent me their feedback privately. I haven't been able to acknowledge you all, but I promise you I did include what you sent me. And it was appreciated. Hopefully things will happen with this sooner rather than later. I'm trying, on behalf of Mac Access Dot Net, to do what I can to help. I know a lot of people use this thing, mostly in free mode I'd guess because that's the way human nature is. My employer asked me to set up an account, in our name, so that his staff would always be able to access project material in backups. I confess I don't fully understand his thinking here. I've already given him what I think is a well designed feature to store and exchange files locally and otherwise. In fact he has me working on a major internal project right now, which is why I'm doing 18 hour days and more. I won't be too happy, I habve to say, if he suddenly goes elsewhere when what I've done meets, and actually exceeds his specifications. I am babbling; but anyway, the concept of Drop Box or, as I re-Christened it "Slop Box", or even "Flop box", ? sorry these get worse, don't they! But yes, the concept is good, even if the implementation is pretty raw, from the accessibility perspective. Gordon On 9 Mar 2011, at 23:06, Colin M wrote: I hope you are not confused! One says not usable and the other says usable! So I'll add to the confusion! I do not use the dreaded slopbox but even I know that with some help [ I think sighted ] after you get it set up you can in deed use it! So next to confuse James! From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 01:14:06 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 17:14:06 -0800 Subject: need major help with i tunes please In-Reply-To: <3A6FA09B-3136-44D0-8F5B-6547347AA3E8@bluebottle.com> References: <3A6FA09B-3136-44D0-8F5B-6547347AA3E8@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: <0727EF0B-EBA3-4BFC-B6DA-EE708621591F@gmail.com> Hello. I would save your music in m4a format and dump it all on an internal drive. what's happening is the hard drive is going to sleep and itunes hates that lol! On Mar 9, 2011, at 5:07 PM, krystal watson wrote: > hi my name is krystal watson and i am new to the list i just got a mac last friday and i am having problrmbs with i tunes i have a lot of music and have it on my external hard drive my hard dive is one of those ones you have to plug in to the power point and if you don't use it for a certain amount of time it powers off till you use it again some times i ad files to the i tunes libruary and it will say the i tunes lib can not be saved error 13001 i have tryed eracing lib and adding things again but the same thing keeps happening my friend has a drive simmlar to mine and has no problemb if any one can help me out that would be grate as i love my music and this upsets me that it keeps going on i have msn and skype if any one wants to ad me to help me out my skype name is musicangel31 and my msn is krystalwatson at bluebottle.com thanks all for your help cheers from krystal watson > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Mar 10 01:16:36 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 01:16:36 +0000 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> <5B21FDEE-87C2-4374-B059-AD78C7851892@mac-access.net> <46AD3D30-E0A1-4879-B7C8-4CBC307AAD12@gmail.com> <86E04511-8737-4046-BE92-664CBEE705EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <78B7EE13-9152-4E43-8A53-7943AB30AF84@mac-access.net> Sarah Just a thought here, but have you thought about Vox Keys? You talk about fancy footwork. Come on Sarah ? a bit of horizontal dancing never heard anybody, ! On 10 Mar 2011, at 00:07, Sarah Alawami wrote: Actually I can install it easily I just runt he app from with in the dmg and so far that has gotten me off the ground in installing. but the app really does need a lot of work with it comes to the system prefs and they need to make it show up in the status bar so we don't have to do fancy footwork. lol! From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Mar 10 01:18:21 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 01:18:21 +0000 Subject: iOS 4.3 VoiceOver change log In-Reply-To: References: <7936F564-F159-4B3E-B4D1-F3E5EBAE4570@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <779CD271-FABC-4D2D-BDAA-ABC90609658B@mac-access.net> Hi Sarah I wasn't suggesting, just asking. I had been given to understand that, internationally at least, it was due out on 11 March. But maybe not. On 10 Mar 2011, at 01:03, Sarah Alawami wrote: Huh? the update's out. and the change log is rel. I can confirm this as I've already been using th eupdate for a few hours now. On Mar 9, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Has this info been officially sanctioned by Apple? if not, please be careful. If so that's good. > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From va3ets2000 at me.com Thu Mar 10 01:18:41 2011 From: va3ets2000 at me.com (Dan Eickmeier) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 20:18:41 -0500 Subject: need major help with i tunes please In-Reply-To: <3A6FA09B-3136-44D0-8F5B-6547347AA3E8@bluebottle.com> References: <3A6FA09B-3136-44D0-8F5B-6547347AA3E8@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: I've got a western digital 2tb drive, and I don't get this error with it that she's getting. iTunes will be busy for a while, while the drive spins up, but don't seem to be getting this error. On Mar 9, 2011, at 8:07 PM, krystal watson wrote: > hi my name is krystal watson and i am new to the list i just got a mac last friday and i am having problrmbs with i tunes i have a lot of music and have it on my external hard drive my hard dive is one of those ones you have to plug in to the power point and if you don't use it for a certain amount of time it powers off till you use it again some times i ad files to the i tunes libruary and it will say the i tunes lib can not be saved error 13001 i have tryed eracing lib and adding things again but the same thing keeps happening my friend has a drive simmlar to mine and has no problemb if any one can help me out that would be grate as i love my music and this upsets me that it keeps going on i have msn and skype if any one wants to ad me to help me out my skype name is musicangel31 and my msn is krystalwatson at bluebottle.com thanks all for your help cheers from krystal watson > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Mar 10 01:19:15 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 01:19:15 +0000 Subject: accessible FTP server In-Reply-To: References: <20110308150141.5D5A.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <96F55CBA-ECA3-4B7D-8CAD-D1007111A876@softcon.com> <9E8C9CA4-F7FF-467C-AF38-E1BF3CE6D708@gmail.com> <7B38CD62-D3F9-4439-B966-CDB72DC041A6@gmail.com> <7B45A7F7-04BD-4A07-B277-93E15C8406B6@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <80168AFA-8A3A-4271-A2F0-2DC8E832B8F2@mac-access.net> Sarah That's the exact point I'm making. You, and we, use Transmit. But Transmission is a torrent. On 10 Mar 2011, at 01:04, Sarah Alawami wrote: transmit is an ftp client. I use it. Dunno about transmission. the only thing I know about that is it is going in one of our cars and i need to have someone take a look at it. lol couldn't resist. From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 01:42:04 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 19:42:04 -0600 Subject: iOS 4.3 VoiceOver change log In-Reply-To: <7936F564-F159-4B3E-B4D1-F3E5EBAE4570@mac-access.net> References: <7936F564-F159-4B3E-B4D1-F3E5EBAE4570@mac-access.net> Message-ID: iOS 4.3 was released at 10AM Pacific. Change log is based on my user experience with iOS 4.3, unofficial change log. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 9, 2011, at 6:56 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Has this info been officially sanctioned by Apple? if not, please be careful. If so that's good. > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From rose at chicksdigmacs.net Thu Mar 10 02:20:28 2011 From: rose at chicksdigmacs.net (Rose Morales) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 21:20:28 -0500 Subject: Icy: added repos not showing up in category/search In-Reply-To: <4d7810fa.2d5c340a.25df.30e7@mx.google.com> References: <496FAFC6-BF11-4B28-911E-D3D837981279@gmail.com> <4d7810fa.2d5c340a.25df.30e7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <06C063D1-1791-416F-A91C-017551AB2ECC@chicksdigmacs.net> Refresh will work if the repo is up. Some repositories do go down, unfortunately. Some of the ones in my Cyder 2 guide, for example, are now down. I don't know which ones they are, so I haven't removed them. But for anyone who is using Icy, just be aware of this. To check whether a repository is actually down, trying punching it into your web browser. If you get an error page, you know it's not Icy's fault. On Mar 9, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Kevin Barry wrote: > I see your e-mail was read on the IIS podcast. > > At 10:27 PM 3/8/2011, you wrote: >> I've added several repos/sources in Icy, where I've gone into category to see list of repos and even to do a search, where I've found that most of the added repos don't show up. unfortunately, only some show up. Refresh, Respring, and hard-reset doesn't seem to help. >> >> ANy ideas/suggestions? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 04:34:25 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 20:34:25 -0800 Subject: iOS 4.3 VoiceOver change log In-Reply-To: <779CD271-FABC-4D2D-BDAA-ABC90609658B@mac-access.net> References: <7936F564-F159-4B3E-B4D1-F3E5EBAE4570@mac-access.net> <779CD271-FABC-4D2D-BDAA-ABC90609658B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <78DBF30D-335A-420A-9DC1-38773B2D05F3@gmail.com> Hmm odd. Yeah it's out.. I don't knwo about the other parts of the world but here in the states it's out as I'm using it and boy it's snappy! On Mar 9, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Sarah > > I wasn't suggesting, just asking. I had been given to understand that, internationally at least, it was due out on 11 March. But maybe not. > > On 10 Mar 2011, at 01:03, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Huh? the update's out. and the change log is rel. I can confirm this as I've already been using th eupdate for a few hours now. > On Mar 9, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Has this info been officially sanctioned by Apple? if not, please be careful. If so that's good. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 04:35:28 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 20:35:28 -0800 Subject: accessible FTP server In-Reply-To: <80168AFA-8A3A-4271-A2F0-2DC8E832B8F2@mac-access.net> References: <20110308150141.5D5A.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <96F55CBA-ECA3-4B7D-8CAD-D1007111A876@softcon.com> <9E8C9CA4-F7FF-467C-AF38-E1BF3CE6D708@gmail.com> <7B38CD62-D3F9-4439-B966-CDB72DC041A6@gmail.com> <7B45A7F7-04BD-4A07-B277-93E15C8406B6@mac-access.net> <80168AFA-8A3A-4271-A2F0-2DC8E832B8F2@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Ah. thanks for that. I'll keep that in mond. Well good luck wiht finding an ftp server that meets your needs. I might need one to if I dont' have the space on dropbox to share a big file. Take care. On Mar 9, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Sarah > > That's the exact point I'm making. You, and we, use Transmit. But Transmission is a torrent. > > On 10 Mar 2011, at 01:04, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > transmit is an ftp client. I use it. Dunno about transmission. the only thing I know about that is it is going in one of our cars and i need to have someone take a look at it. lol couldn't resist. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 04:36:19 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 20:36:19 -0800 Subject: need major help with i tunes please In-Reply-To: References: <3A6FA09B-3136-44D0-8F5B-6547347AA3E8@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: I got it once actually. Try remaking the library as something got corrupted. that's what was suggested on a forum when I googled. On Mar 9, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: > I've got a western digital 2tb drive, and I don't get this error with it that she's getting. iTunes will be busy for a while, while the drive spins up, but don't seem to be getting this error. > On Mar 9, 2011, at 8:07 PM, krystal watson wrote: > >> hi my name is krystal watson and i am new to the list i just got a mac last friday and i am having problrmbs with i tunes i have a lot of music and have it on my external hard drive my hard dive is one of those ones you have to plug in to the power point and if you don't use it for a certain amount of time it powers off till you use it again some times i ad files to the i tunes libruary and it will say the i tunes lib can not be saved error 13001 i have tryed eracing lib and adding things again but the same thing keeps happening my friend has a drive simmlar to mine and has no problemb if any one can help me out that would be grate as i love my music and this upsets me that it keeps going on i have msn and skype if any one wants to ad me to help me out my skype name is musicangel31 and my msn is krystalwatson at bluebottle.com thanks all for your help cheers from krystal watson >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 04:37:24 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 20:37:24 -0800 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <8399F1F5-E6F6-4CFF-AEA4-4314EF7D1A95@mac-access.net> References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> <5B21FDEE-87C2-4374-B059-AD78C7851892@mac-access.net> <46AD3D30-E0A1-4879-B7C8-4CBC307AAD12@gmail.com> <86E04511-8737-4046-BE92-664CBEE705EC@gmail.com> <8399F1F5-E6 F6-4CFF-AEA4-4314EF7D1A95@mac-access.net> Message-ID: the track pad *nmust* be off for that to work though. I mean the track pad commander must *not* be used. I sent you a msg off list to send to someone about that, I hope? that is if my mail client didn't eat it. that was about the time it barfed. lol! On Mar 9, 2011, at 5:02 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Sarah > > I guess what would be more appropriate would be to say it's usable by some. By those fortunate enough to know how to use it, it's usable. By those who are fully up on the VoiceOver gestures, it's usable. But by those for whom the gestures are still a mystery, it's not. > > I need to get this thing installed here and really play with it. I confess I don't use the trackpad nearly as much as I should. > > Gordon > > > On 9 Mar 2011, at 22:51, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > It is usable > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 04:38:45 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 20:38:45 -0800 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <79416E39-8AA5-4615-9962-DE79F795B957@mac-access.net> References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> <5B21FDEE-87C2-4374-B059-AD78C7851892@mac-access.net> <46AD3D30-E0A1-4879-B7C8-4CBC307AAD12@gmail.com> <86E04511-8737-4046-BE92-664CBEE705EC@gmail.com> <79416E39-8AA5-4615-9962-DE79F795B957@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <71291C2C-FE2D-4E97-A94B-E32B23630B59@gmail.com> I'm a paying customer actually, but yeah you'rje right. thanks and hope wht I sent helped rather then hindered. I suck at writing instructions unless I sit down and spend hours lol! On Mar 9, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Colin > > Sorry to add to the confusion, but I'm not James. > > I am liaising with the developers of this app directly now. Thank you to those who sent me their feedback privately. I haven't been able to acknowledge you all, but I promise you I did include what you sent me. And it was appreciated. > > Hopefully things will happen with this sooner rather than later. I'm trying, on behalf of Mac Access Dot Net, to do what I can to help. I know a lot of people use this thing, mostly in free mode I'd guess because that's the way human nature is. > > My employer asked me to set up an account, in our name, so that his staff would always be able to access project material in backups. > > I confess I don't fully understand his thinking here. I've already given him what I think is a well designed feature to store and exchange files locally and otherwise. > > In fact he has me working on a major internal project right now, which is why I'm doing 18 hour days and more. I won't be too happy, I habve to say, if he suddenly goes elsewhere when what I've done meets, and actually exceeds his specifications. > > I am babbling; but anyway, the concept of Drop Box or, as I re-Christened it "Slop Box", or even "Flop box", ? sorry these get worse, don't they! But yes, the concept is good, even if the implementation is pretty raw, from the accessibility perspective. > > Gordon > > On 9 Mar 2011, at 23:06, Colin M wrote: > > I hope you are not confused! > One says not usable and the other says usable! > So I'll add to the confusion! > I do not use the dreaded slopbox but even I know that with some help [ I think sighted ] after you get it set up you can in deed use it! > So next to confuse James! > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 04:40:13 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 20:40:13 -0800 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <78B7EE13-9152-4E43-8A53-7943AB30AF84@mac-access.net> References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> <5B21FDEE-87C2-4374-B059-AD78C7851892@mac-access.net> <46AD3D30-E0A1-4879-B7C8-4CBC307AAD12@gmail.com> <86E04511-8737-4046-BE92-664CBEE705EC@gmail.com> <78B7EE13-9152-4E43-8A53-7943AB30AF84@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <079095EC-0A6C-4FC0-A888-5108B3C53437@gmail.com> Yeah I've thought of it but right now I don't have the funds to buy that sparkle thing they mention. and right now I'm trying to work on a apple script to do something and it's breaking badly. Well got to go. my what I think to be asthma is acting up again. On Mar 9, 2011, at 5:16 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Sarah > > Just a thought here, but have you thought about Vox Keys? > > You talk about fancy footwork. Come on Sarah ? a bit of horizontal dancing never heard anybody, ! > > > On 10 Mar 2011, at 00:07, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Actually I can install it easily I just runt he app from with in the dmg and so far that has gotten me off the ground in installing. but the app really does need a lot of work with it comes to the system prefs and they need to make it show up in the status bar so we don't have to do fancy footwork. lol! > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Mar 10 05:06:31 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 05:06:31 +0000 Subject: accessible FTP server In-Reply-To: References: <20110308150141.5D5A.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <96F55CBA-ECA3-4B7D-8CAD-D1007111A876@softcon.com> <9E8C9CA4-F7FF-467C-AF38-E1BF3CE6D708@gmail.com> <7B38CD62-D3F9-4439-B966-CDB72DC041A6@gmail.com> <7B45A7F7-04BD-4A07-B277-93E15C8406B6@mac-access.net> <80168AFA-8A3A-4271-A2F0-2DC8E832B8F2@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Sarah It's not us who is looking for one. We have been fixed up in that department for a while. On 10 Mar 2011, at 04:35, Sarah Alawami wrote: Ah. thanks for that. I'll keep that in mond. Well good luck wiht finding an ftp server that meets your needs. I might need one to if I dont' have the space on dropbox to share a big file. Take care. On Mar 9, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Sarah > > That's the exact point I'm making. You, and we, use Transmit. But Transmission is a torrent. > > On 10 Mar 2011, at 01:04, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > transmit is an ftp client. I use it. Dunno about transmission. the only thing I know about that is it is going in one of our cars and i need to have someone take a look at it. lol couldn't resist. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Mar 10 05:09:32 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 05:09:32 +0000 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> <5B21FDEE-87C2-4374-B059-AD78C7851892@mac-access.net> <46AD3D30-E0A1-4879-B7C8-4CBC307AAD12@gmail.com> <86E04511-8737-4046-BE92-664CBEE705EC@gmail.com> <8399F1F5-E6 F6-4CFF-AEA4-4314EF7D1A95@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6C1639D4-2C19-4B14-BCBD-73A4437F62BB@mac-access.net> Hi Sarah Yes, your content got sent to a developer, I promise you that. Again, it's not me that's doubting it, I'm sure it can be use with some work. On 10 Mar 2011, at 04:37, Sarah Alawami wrote: From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Mar 10 05:12:33 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 05:12:33 +0000 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <71291C2C-FE2D-4E97-A94B-E32B23630B59@gmail.com> References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> <5B21FDEE-87C2-4374-B059-AD78C7851892@mac-access.net> <46AD3D30-E0A1-4879-B7C8-4CBC307AAD12@gmail.com> <86E04511-8737-4046-BE92-664CBEE705EC@gmail.com> <79416E39-8AA5-4615-9962-DE79F795B957@mac-access.net> <71291C2C-FE2D-4E97-A94B-E32B23630B59@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3FC142D9-7B1B-4303-B5AB-977173989D6D@mac-access.net> Hi Sarah Please don't anybody take that personally, it wasn't meant that way. It was merely a species-wide general observation. I too am a paying customer, although hopefully my boss will reimburse me soon. From moriond at mac.com Thu Mar 10 05:23:20 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 19:23:20 -1000 Subject: Accessing Unseen Items In Status Bar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <023F8C66-3FCF-41D6-B89D-A8873FE2CC86@mac.com> Hi Earle, It sounds as though you listened to Ricardo Walker's podcast on accessing the status bar. There are a few other settings that I would recommend you configure in VoiceOver Utility. First, since you will be relying on VoiceOver to announce what is under your cursor, when you bring up VoiceOver Utility (VO-F8), press "v" to go to the "Verbosity" menu, and navigate to the "Announcements" tab and select it (VO-Space). Make sure that the box for "Speak text under mouse after delay:" is checked, which I think it is by default, but then navigate to the slider that sets the delay time, interact with it (VO-Shift-Down arrow), and move this all the way to the left (shortest time; VO-Left arrow). I'd also navigate to the "Hints" tab of "Verbosity", select it with VO-Space, and set the pop up button for "When an item has a help tag:" to "Speak Help Tag" (VO-Space and use your arrow keys). Then also navigate (VO-Right arrow) to the slider after "Speak hints after delay:", interact (VO-Shift-Down arrow), and set this also to the shortest time. (These steps for hints may not be necessary, but I find them helpful for negotiating new features, and you can always turn this off again). Now, after you turn off TrackPad Commander (step 1) and have set the option for mouse cursor to move VoiceOver cursor (step 2) in VoiceOver Utility), you do not have to start your cursor movement from a Finder window. If you are using other apps, once you are using Finder, it is useful, though not strictly necessary to hide other apps with Command-Option-H. (The reason for this is that if you happen to move your mouse cursor across another window, associated with the "Mail" app or "Safari", or iTunes, the top menu bars will immediately change to display menus for that app. If the application you are using has lots of menu items associated with the application -- and other apps typically have more menu items than does Finder -- these menu items from the regular part of the application menu bar (the part you navigate to with VO-M or Control-F2) will overlap and hide other status menu bar icons (the part of the menu bar you navigate to with VO-M twice, or Control-F8) that you are trying to find. That is, even a sighted user might find the status menu bar items not visible in these instances, unless he or she was using a very large display monitor screen, or had crossed an app with relatively few menu items. Since you do not know how much space your menu icons will take up for all the other applications you are currently running, unless you have a very large display screen, it is safer to hide all other apps other than Finder. Instead of using steps 3, 4, and 5 in your post, I suggest that once you have selected Finder, and optionally hidden all other app windows as recommended, you navigate directly to the status menu bar with Control-F8 and start from there. Now, in order to check that VoiceOver is announcing what is under the mouse, you are going to lock your VoiceOver keys with VO-semi-colon. Try pressing the "F5" key (which should act as VO-F5 with the VO keys locked -- and tell you what is under your mouse). Your mouse cursor is now on the status menu bar at the top of the screen, and probably the normally visible icons that VoiceOver would announce will be located to the right. Probably, the "hidden" status bar menu icons will be to the left of your current position. They could be mixed, but the reason for this statement is that status menu bar icons get added from right to left, in time sequence, so the normal, accessible icons are likely to be to the right, and the "hidden" ones that you added later, are likely to be to the left. So the modified steps were: 3. From Finder, optionally hide other windows (Command-Option-H) 4. Press Control-F8 to move to the Status menu bar 5. Press VO-Command-F5 to move your Mouse Cursor to your VoiceOver Cursor (location on the status menu bar) 6. Lock your VoiceOver Keys (Command-Option-Comma) so that you can press the F5 key to announce what's under the mouse (this helps because you can press this whenever you like and use it to monitor your progress -- you don't need to rely on moving your cursor to the new icon to announce where you are, and if you haven't yet moved off an old icon it will just tell you that this icon is still under the mouse.) 7. Check that one of the status menu bar icons is under the mouse by pressing the "F5" key. With your VoiceOver keys locked, this is the VO-F5 key that announces what is under the mouse. 8. Put your finger at the top edge of the trackpad. You can move it down slowly from the space bar. 9. Now, using the top edge of the trackpad to guide your finger, slowly move your finger to the left along the TrackPad. You may have to take short strokes, where you pick your finger up and then make a short stroke to the left. Alternate this with presses of the F5 button, which should tell you what is under the mouse. For example, I have the "Universal Access" icon as the last icon that Voice Over announces on my status menu bar. Pressing the F5 key with the VO keys locked (step 6) gives me the announcement "Universal Access is under the mouse". If my short finger strokes to the left along the top TrackPad are too tentative, I'll continue to hear the same message when I press the F5 key. Eventually I'll hear a different icon like "TextExpanderd is under the mouse" when I press F5. Then I might get to "Dropbox is under the mouse". 10. At that point I can double tap on the Trackpad or press VO-Space to activate the menu, and I can VO-Down arrow to hear and select menu entries. 11. When you're done, Unlock VO keys by pressing the semi-colon keys again. HTH. If you have a specific menu icon you're trying to navigate to, I can probably give you more details. I don't like to keep navigation set to VoiceOver cursor follows mouse cursor, though. Cheers, Esther On Mar 8, 2011, at 22:18, Earle wrote: > I am having difficulty accessing unseen items in the status bar. I recently heard a podcast, but I just can't get it to work. These are the steps I'm performing. Can someone tell me where I'm going wrong? I'd appreciate any info that anyone can provide. > > 1. Turned off track pad commander in voiceOver. > 2. Set the option to have the mouse move vo cursor in vo utility. > 3. I move to a finder window so I have a place of reference. > 4. Then I use a finger and slowly start moving towards the top. > 5. I'm not finding the status bar though. I see items that are in the finder window, but no status bar. > > Are there any options that I need to change under track pad settings in system preferences? I also tried getting to the status menu with vo MM, then routing the mouse cursor. I had some success with this, but I ended up inside the battery menu somehow. Oh well, enough ranting for now. Any hints would be greatly received. > > Thanks > > ---------- > > Earle > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 06:14:01 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 22:14:01 -0800 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <6C1639D4-2C19-4B14-BCBD-73A4437F62BB@mac-access.net> References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> <5B21FDEE-87C2-4374-B059-AD78C7851892@mac-access.net> <46AD3D30-E0A1-4879-B7C8-4CBC307AAD12@gmail.com> <86E04511-8737-4046-BE92-664CBEE705EC@gmail.com> <8399F1F5-E6 F6-4CFF-AEA4-4314EF7D1A95@mac-access.net> <6C1639D4-2C19-4B14-BCBD-73A4437F62BB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <8C4AB0CE-2A19-4190-8E97-A3CB28847D63@gmail.com> Oh no it's my instructions but yeah let's hope something happens. I'll hold my breath and wait for an update. Take care all. On Mar 9, 2011, at 9:09 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Sarah > > Yes, your content got sent to a developer, I promise you that. > > > Again, it's not me that's doubting it, I'm sure it can be use with some work. > > On 10 Mar 2011, at 04:37, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 06:14:50 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 22:14:50 -0800 Subject: Drop Box [Revisited] In-Reply-To: <3FC142D9-7B1B-4303-B5AB-977173989D6D@mac-access.net> References: <13C454B9-7B04-442B-A2D0-2ECF69D5EE97@gmail.com> <316A1CB5-959B-40EA-882D-4904D16513E8@gmail.com> <057004E8-9A57-4350-80BC-070315E8815A@mac-access.net> <914FB616-8C9E-4FDA-A5B2-E1B0A8B37C7B@gmail.com> <60EF670E-BC4E-49A7-A78B-9188EBA6CBA4@gmail.com> <5B21FDEE-87C2-4374-B059-AD78C7851892@mac-access.net> <46AD3D30-E0A1-4879-B7C8-4CBC307AAD12@gmail.com> <86E04511-8737-4046-BE92-664CBEE705EC@gmail.com> <79416E39-8AA5-4615-9962-DE79F795B957@mac-access.net> <71291C2C-FE2D-4E97-A94B-E32B23630B59@gmail.com> <3FC142D9-7B1B-4303-B5AB-977173989D6D@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6E2A9AF4-B4F0-486D-A8BB-75B787098045@gmail.com> Oh no I don't take it personally I'm in a touchy mood right now so anythign I say that sounds rude I don't mean it. Good luck and let's send positive energy to the devs. On Mar 9, 2011, at 9:12 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Sarah > > Please don't anybody take that personally, it wasn't meant that way. It was merely a species-wide general observation. > > I too am a paying customer, although hopefully my boss will reimburse me soon. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Thu Mar 10 06:40:44 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 17:40:44 +1100 Subject: need major help with i tunes please In-Reply-To: References: <3A6FA09B-3136-44D0-8F5B-6547347AA3E8@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: i have done that 3 times already and its frustrating so i am going to try putting it all on the 1 terror bite drive as i told disks to not sleep and still got the error so maybe the one terror bite drive will be better as that is not plugged in to power but however that is going to be annoying as i do love my music and have a lot of it and should be able to use the two terror bite drive if any one has any more help before i errace this music libruary please let me know thanks cheers from krystal watson On 10/03/2011, at 3:36 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I got it once actually. Try remaking the library as something got corrupted. that's what was suggested on a forum when I googled. > On Mar 9, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote: > >> I've got a western digital 2tb drive, and I don't get this error with it that she's getting. iTunes will be busy for a while, while the drive spins up, but don't seem to be getting this error. >> On Mar 9, 2011, at 8:07 PM, krystal watson wrote: >> >>> hi my name is krystal watson and i am new to the list i just got a mac last friday and i am having problrmbs with i tunes i have a lot of music and have it on my external hard drive my hard dive is one of those ones you have to plug in to the power point and if you don't use it for a certain amount of time it powers off till you use it again some times i ad files to the i tunes libruary and it will say the i tunes lib can not be saved error 13001 i have tryed eracing lib and adding things again but the same thing keeps happening my friend has a drive simmlar to mine and has no problemb if any one can help me out that would be grate as i love my music and this upsets me that it keeps going on i have msn and skype if any one wants to ad me to help me out my skype name is musicangel31 and my msn is krystalwatson at bluebottle.com thanks all for your help cheers from krystal watson >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From va3ets2000 at me.com Thu Mar 10 07:24:06 2011 From: va3ets2000 at me.com (Dan Eickmeier) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 02:24:06 -0500 Subject: Skype question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5400AA89-A7FD-402F-9A4C-BF21BD039062@me.com> Others may know things that I don't, or may have found things that I haven't, but as far as i can see, there isn't. WHat I usually have to do is decline the incoming call, and then conference them in. This is a feature that i'd like to see however. On Mar 9, 2011, at 7:51 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hi Folks: > > On a Mac, is there a way to invite an incoming call in to a Skype conference? > > Thanks all over the place gang. > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 07:32:47 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 07:32:47 +0000 Subject: adium issues Message-ID: hi all has anyone else had adium show an empty table of contacts on the mac with snowleopard, even when signed in to the services in question they are signed up for? I have deleted voiceover 3 preferences and those of adium but I sitll get empty table From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Mar 10 08:00:42 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:00:42 +0000 Subject: iOS 4.3 VoiceOver change log In-Reply-To: <779CD271-FABC-4D2D-BDAA-ABC90609658B@mac-access.net> References: <7936F564-F159-4B3E-B4D1-F3E5EBAE4570@mac-access.net> <779CD271-FABC-4D2D-BDAA-ABC90609658B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Gordon, I installed it yesterday. I can't put my finger on it, but the device seems more responsive. D?nal On 10 Mar 2011, at 01:18, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Sarah > > I wasn't suggesting, just asking. I had been given to understand that, internationally at least, it was due out on 11 March. But maybe not. > > On 10 Mar 2011, at 01:03, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Huh? the update's out. and the change log is rel. I can confirm this as I've already been using th eupdate for a few hours now. > On Mar 9, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Has this info been officially sanctioned by Apple? if not, please be careful. If so that's good. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From va3ets2000 at me.com Thu Mar 10 08:55:49 2011 From: va3ets2000 at me.com (Dan Eickmeier) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 03:55:49 -0500 Subject: adium issues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60927F8E-B912-47ED-9F0E-7D96202D419D@me.com> Hi WIl, nope, haven't had that here. All seems to be working ok on this end. . On Mar 10, 2011, at 2:32 AM, william lomas wrote: > hi all has anyone else had adium show an empty table of contacts on the mac with snowleopard, even when signed in to the services in question they are signed up for? > I have deleted voiceover 3 preferences and those of adium but I sitll get empty table > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 14:08:25 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 14:08:25 +0000 Subject: Which ipod better? Message-ID: <5CFA5A7B-4837-4395-A4E2-9DDFB92B49BE@gmail.com> HI all, I know the differences in the nano and shuffle i.e. 2 gb, versus 8 or 16 but which one do epople find more efficient? I assume the nano is good since it works like the iphone? The shuffle though also seems nice I know I have my IPhone but bettery life is poor at best so a dedicated player for podcasts and other content may be better, i joined audible.co.uk and i got a fifty pounds voucher so may as well spend it i a loyal customer to them From tsiegel at softcon.com Thu Mar 10 14:49:19 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:49:19 -0600 Subject: A few queries, if I may In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Depending on what you need, text edit (the word processor that comes with the mac) works just fine, and you need not purchase anything else. I know folks claim iworks is accessible (after a fashion) but text edit works out of the box, and no need to mess with anything either via configurations, or awkward vo interactions to get it to work. I've not used it, but I also hear bean word processor (which is opensource) works well too, as does the pay one called Nisus writer pro (located at http://www.nisus.com/pro) that is accessible as well. I think there is a trial version of it available, so you can try it to see if it works for you. Honestly, if you're not writing term papers, or official government reports, there's probably no need to purchase another editor, use text edit, or one of the many free excellent alternatives available. Of course, the decision is ultimately up to you what you use,, I'm just offering suggestions, and giving my opinion for what it's worth. From tsiegel at softcon.com Thu Mar 10 15:12:32 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 09:12:32 -0600 Subject: accessible FTP server In-Reply-To: <9E8C9CA4-F7FF-467C-AF38-E1BF3CE6D708@gmail.com> References: <20110308150141.5D5A.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <96F55CBA-ECA3-4B7D-8CAD-D1007111A876@softcon.com> <9E8C9CA4-F7FF-467C-AF38-E1BF3CE6D708@gmail.com> Message-ID: <94D96F43-1CEE-4E41-8785-D33E1FA83E4D@softcon.com> On Mar 8, 2011, at 9:31 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: > I'd recommend Cyberduck or Trasmission. These are clients, not servers. The original question was about ftp servers, not clients. I merely mentioned clients, so that folks would know I don't use gui programs where they can be avoided (I have compiled pine for osx, though I really do like mail, so don't use pine much, but it's there if I want it. :) From carolforrester at vodafoneemail.co.uk Thu Mar 10 15:22:00 2011 From: carolforrester at vodafoneemail.co.uk (Carol Forrester@vodafoneemail.co.uk) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:22:00 -0000 Subject: Which ipod better? References: <5CFA5A7B-4837-4395-A4E2-9DDFB92B49BE@gmail.com> Message-ID: the Ipod touch is better than either of those if you want something nearly as good as the Iphone without the phone bit, Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "william lomas" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:08 PM Subject: Which ipod better? > HI all, > > > I know the differences in the nano and shuffle i.e. 2 gb, versus 8 or 16 > but which one do epople find more efficient? > I assume the nano is good since it works like the iphone? > The shuffle though also seems nice I know I have my IPhone but bettery > life is poor at best so a dedicated player for podcasts and other content > may be better, i joined audible.co.uk and i got a fifty pounds voucher so > may as well spend it i a loyal customer to them > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 15:35:04 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:35:04 +0000 Subject: Which ipod better? In-Reply-To: References: <5CFA5A7B-4837-4395-A4E2-9DDFB92B49BE@gmail.com> Message-ID: Only need it though for podcasts etc. don't need all those gigabytes really On 10 Mar 2011, at 15:22, Carol Forrester at vodafoneemail.co.uk wrote: > the Ipod touch is better than either of those if you want something nearly as good as the Iphone without the phone bit, Carol > ----- Original Message ----- From: "william lomas" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:08 PM > Subject: Which ipod better? > > >> HI all, >> >> >> I know the differences in the nano and shuffle i.e. 2 gb, versus 8 or 16 but which one do epople find more efficient? >> I assume the nano is good since it works like the iphone? >> The shuffle though also seems nice I know I have my IPhone but bettery life is poor at best so a dedicated player for podcasts and other content may be better, i joined audible.co.uk and i got a fifty pounds voucher so may as well spend it i a loyal customer to them >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence >> http://www.netintelligence.com/email >> ______________________________________________ >> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence >> http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From carolforrester at vodafoneemail.co.uk Thu Mar 10 15:36:24 2011 From: carolforrester at vodafoneemail.co.uk (Carol Forrester@vodafoneemail.co.uk) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:36:24 -0000 Subject: Which ipod better? References: <5CFA5A7B-4837-4395-A4E2-9DDFB92B49BE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1CB6535FC0944F07BA94EF82C3DEE3DA@homeuser5272cc> I don't know if you can downlode pod casts with the other ones sorry, Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: "william lomas" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 3:35 PM Subject: Re: Which ipod better? > Only need it though for podcasts etc. don't need all those gigabytes > really > > On 10 Mar 2011, at 15:22, Carol Forrester at vodafoneemail.co.uk wrote: > >> the Ipod touch is better than either of those if you want something >> nearly as good as the Iphone without the phone bit, Carol >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "william lomas" >> >> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:08 PM >> Subject: Which ipod better? >> >> >>> HI all, >>> >>> >>> I know the differences in the nano and shuffle i.e. 2 gb, versus 8 or 16 >>> but which one do epople find more efficient? >>> I assume the nano is good since it works like the iphone? >>> The shuffle though also seems nice I know I have my IPhone but bettery >>> life is poor at best so a dedicated player for podcasts and other >>> content may be better, i joined audible.co.uk and i got a fifty pounds >>> voucher so may as well spend it i a loyal customer to them >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >>> the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ >>> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence >>> http://www.netintelligence.com/email >>> ______________________________________________ >>> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence >>> http://www.netintelligence.com/email >> >> >> ______________________________________________ This email has been >> scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email From edworrell at bresnan.net Thu Mar 10 15:52:49 2011 From: edworrell at bresnan.net (Ed Worrell) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 08:52:49 -0700 Subject: Which ipod better? In-Reply-To: <1CB6535FC0944F07BA94EF82C3DEE3DA@homeuser5272cc> References: <5CFA5A7B-4837-4395-A4E2-9DDFB92B49BE@gmail.com> <1CB6535FC0944F07BA94EF82C3DEE3DA@homeuser5272cc> Message-ID: <3AE2E5BD-70B3-4308-BD7F-457563AD5A9F@bresnan.net> Hello, My wife has a ipod shuffle I haven't used it but if you are going to use it just for podcasts I would go that dirrection. I would get the ipod shuffle if only for the price point. Here it's almost 100 dollars cheaper then the nano. The nano is basicly a shuffle with a touch screen now. Hope this helps ED From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 15:58:42 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 15:58:42 +0000 Subject: remember the milk Message-ID: <5A8ADC2B-161A-45A3-ADE7-2138AE669E62@gmail.com> hi has anyone seen remember the milk? It like an online diary management tool where you can set yourself tasks etc www.rememberthemilk.com seems to work great on mac, you can even be reminded on twitter email etc. of tasks to do From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Mar 10 16:04:55 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:04:55 -0000 Subject: remember the milk In-Reply-To: <5A8ADC2B-161A-45A3-ADE7-2138AE669E62@gmail.com> References: <5A8ADC2B-161A-45A3-ADE7-2138AE669E62@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000301cbdf3c$e8db9e90$ba92dbb0$@dcu.ie> *laughing* one of the more surreal subject lines I've seen on this list! Sorry I can't answer your question though. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of william lomas Sent: 10 March 2011 15:59 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: remember the milk hi has anyone seen remember the milk? It like an online diary management tool where you can set yourself tasks etc www.rememberthemilk.com seems to work great on mac, you can even be reminded on twitter email etc. of tasks to do _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Thu Mar 10 16:31:07 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:31:07 +0000 Subject: Which ipod better? In-Reply-To: <3AE2E5BD-70B3-4308-BD7F-457563AD5A9F@bresnan.net> References: <5CFA5A7B-4837-4395-A4E2-9DDFB92B49BE@gmail.com> <1CB6535FC0944F07BA94EF82C3DEE3DA@homeuser5272cc> <3AE2E5BD-70B3-4308-BD7F-457563AD5A9F@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <98BDD392-767B-49C7-9089-A6C1A0B44A2A@hopewell.org.uk> Hello, I have an iPod Nano Generation 6 which works very well with its built-in VoiceOver. I like it because it has built in FM radio and handles podcasts, music, and audio books. If you are into fitness it also has a built-in pedometer. It is very small and portable. Its only negative feature is that its battery life is somewhat limited. I listen for a couple of hours a day and have to re-charge every two days or so. Battery life is especially bad when using FM radio. Paul Hopewell From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 17:57:32 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 17:57:32 +0000 Subject: gmail website Message-ID: <3BB88EF1-C540-4A77-AB5A-EFAB536B519D@gmail.com> hi has anyone else noted the www.gmail.com site has totally changed? where can one on the mac now in safari, find the junkmail or spam folder? From helianthe at mac-access.net Thu Mar 10 18:15:50 2011 From: helianthe at mac-access.net (Lyn & Twinny) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:15:50 +0100 Subject: gmail website In-Reply-To: <3BB88EF1-C540-4A77-AB5A-EFAB536B519D@gmail.com> References: <3BB88EF1-C540-4A77-AB5A-EFAB536B519D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <288943ED-F9B7-49FF-9210-C2B6B8AA745A@mac-access.net> Hi Wil, I have just logged on to the gmail website and I was able to find the spam folder by bringing in the item chooser and I typed in "spam" and I was able to find it that way. Not sure why you can't find it. I have not noticed any change here. Lyn & Twinny On Mar 10, 2011, at 6:57 PM, william lomas wrote: > hi has anyone else noted the > www.gmail.com > site has totally changed? > where can one on the mac now in safari, find the junkmail or spam folder? > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ********** You can contact me in the following ways: email: helianthe at mac-access.net msn: lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com skype: keanemaniac facebook: www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 I am now also on twitter: www.twitter.com/mickymac2010 Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 18:18:11 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:18:11 +0000 Subject: gmail website In-Reply-To: <288943ED-F9B7-49FF-9210-C2B6B8AA745A@mac-access.net> References: <3BB88EF1-C540-4A77-AB5A-EFAB536B519D@gmail.com> <288943ED-F9B7-49FF-9210-C2B6B8AA745A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9198BA98-64C1-49B3-B04F-BE8BC11F9DF6@gmail.com> I think I was in the standard view, not HTML On 10 Mar 2011, at 18:15, Lyn & Twinny wrote: > Hi Wil, > > I have just logged on to the gmail website and I was able to find the spam folder by bringing in the item chooser and I typed in "spam" and I was able to find it that way. Not sure why you can't find it. I have not noticed any change here. > > Lyn & Twinny > On Mar 10, 2011, at 6:57 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> hi has anyone else noted the >> www.gmail.com >> site has totally changed? >> where can one on the mac now in safari, find the junkmail or spam folder? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > ********** > You can contact me in the following ways: > email: > helianthe at mac-access.net > msn: > lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com > skype: > keanemaniac > facebook: > www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 > I am now also on twitter: > www.twitter.com/mickymac2010 > Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Thu Mar 10 19:46:43 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 09:46:43 -1000 Subject: Pogue's Missing Manuals - O'Reilly Deal of the Day Message-ID: Hi All, The O'Reilly site has an entry for David Pogue's Missing Manual series at 50% as an addition to their regular eBook Deal of the Day: http://oreilly.com/store/dd-pogue.html This is in celebration of David Pogue's birthday (which I think was actually yesterday, but the announcement was late, and the web site is still up). So, for a limited time (possibly through today), you can get any of the David Pogue "Missing Manual" series books as eBook bundles for 50% off. That would include his "Switching to the Mac (Snow Leopard)" ($11.99), "Mac OS X Snow Leopard" ($13.99), and others (on the iPhone, Windows 7, etc.) These books (along with the Take Control books) are also available through iBooks (but only at full price.) When you buy the ebook bundles directly from O'Reilly, you get multiple versions that are all DRM-free, and that you can download at any time from your account. Furthermore, if there are minor revisions and updates, or new formats become available, you automatically get these. My copy of the Missing Manual for Mac OS X Snow Leopard comes in versions for iPhone (ePub), Android, Mobi (other PDA devices), PDF, and Daisy, as an example. Not all formats are available for all books, but you can check on the formats that are available, and this range is pretty typical for the slightly older books, where they started making Daisy format available by working with Bookshare. In order to purchase O'Reilly books, you will need to create an account, and that requires a one-time negotiation of a CAPTCHA. If you purchase from the linked Deal of the Day page, the Coupon code should automatically be entered (or you can copy it and try to apply it manually on checkout). When the final purchase page is updated, before you make the actual purchase, you should see the discounted price. In general, the main eBook page is: http://oreilly.com/ebooks/epub/ After you make your purchase, you'll be pointed to two possible links, that you can revisit at any later time by logging into your account: If you're on your computer go to: https://members.oreilly.com/account/emedia and login with your user name and password to access any of the formats you use: ePub, PDF, etc.) From your iPhone or other mobile device, you can use the mobile emedia site to download to your device and enter your login: https://members.oreilly.com/mobile/account/emedia For US and International Bookshare subscribers, these books are available to you as part of the service, but not in the multiple DRM-free formats sold here, and not with the permanent updates. So this could be useful if you want to read these books on other platforms. I'd say that for Mac users the best references are either the David Pogue Missing Manual Series (for Mac OS X Snow Leopard, or the guide to Switching to the Mac (Snow Leopard editions), and the Take Control series guides. They're different in scope -- the Missing Manual is a single, large guide. The Take Control guides are focused and topical, and have a lot of very good and specific pieces of information about backups, mail, the command line, 8.0211n wireless networks, etc. HTH. Cheers, Esther From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Thu Mar 10 20:07:19 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:07:19 +0000 Subject: remember the milk In-Reply-To: <5A8ADC2B-161A-45A3-ADE7-2138AE669E62@gmail.com> References: <5A8ADC2B-161A-45A3-ADE7-2138AE669E62@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7E1D121B-D042-4E4B-8F9E-D960BF14309E@googlemail.com> cool may take a look at this. Ian McNamara From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 20:23:06 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 12:23:06 -0800 Subject: gmail website In-Reply-To: <288943ED-F9B7-49FF-9210-C2B6B8AA745A@mac-access.net> References: <3BB88EF1-C540-4A77-AB5A-EFAB536B519D@gmail.com> <288943ED-F9B7-49FF-9210-C2B6B8AA745A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0ADAC7BD-F8F4-4867-B50F-DBEEE4F93830@gmail.com> I have. when I go to my home page which is google I get taken to IGoogle and a bunch of news stuff comes up. pretty annoying! lol! Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 10, 2011, at 10:15 AM, Lyn & Twinny wrote: > Hi Wil, > > I have just logged on to the gmail website and I was able to find the spam folder by bringing in the item chooser and I typed in "spam" and I was able to find it that way. Not sure why you can't find it. I have not noticed any change here. > > Lyn & Twinny > On Mar 10, 2011, at 6:57 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> hi has anyone else noted the >> www.gmail.com >> site has totally changed? >> where can one on the mac now in safari, find the junkmail or spam folder? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > ********** > You can contact me in the following ways: > email: > helianthe at mac-access.net > msn: > lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com > skype: > keanemaniac > facebook: > www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 > I am now also on twitter: > www.twitter.com/mickymac2010 > Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Thu Mar 10 20:54:49 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:54:49 +0000 Subject: iOS 4.3 VoiceOver change log In-Reply-To: <779CD271-FABC-4D2D-BDAA-ABC90609658B@mac-access.net> References: <7936F564-F159-4B3E-B4D1-F3E5EBAE4570@mac-access.net> <779CD271-FABC-4D2D-BDAA-ABC90609658B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <05A195EB-00EA-4263-9AA3-AFF117E19511@googlemail.com> Hi Gordon. I doubled checked that this wasn't a leak, and I managed to confirm that iOS4.3 was released on 09 March 2011, a few days ahead of schedule. I have installed the update on both my iPhone, and iPod Touch! Regards. Lewis. PS. It is quicker when web browsing. On 10 Mar 2011, at 01:18, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Sarah > > I wasn't suggesting, just asking. I had been given to understand that, internationally at least, it was due out on 11 March. But maybe not. > > On 10 Mar 2011, at 01:03, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Huh? the update's out. and the change log is rel. I can confirm this as I've already been using th eupdate for a few hours now. > On Mar 9, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Has this info been officially sanctioned by Apple? if not, please be careful. If so that's good. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Mar 10 20:57:37 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:57:37 +0100 Subject: iOS 4.3 VoiceOver change log In-Reply-To: <05A195EB-00EA-4263-9AA3-AFF117E19511@googlemail.com> References: <7936F564-F159-4B3E-B4D1-F3E5EBAE4570@mac-access.net> <779CD271-FABC-4D2D-BDAA-ABC90609658B@mac-access.net> <05A195EB-00EA-4263-9AA3-AFF117E19511@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <17F478DD-0E4F-410B-A9F1-23DD5EE9BBBB@gmail.com> Hi! Also, I know this is not important to everyone, but the button called "Next Keyboard" now says "Switch to, US English," for example. Now I know what I'm switching to if I can''t remember, since I write in a few languages on the iPhone. This makes me happy. Regards, Nic On Mar 10, 2011, at 9:54 PM, Lewis Crack wrote: > Hi Gordon. > > I doubled checked that this wasn't a leak, and I managed to confirm that iOS4.3 was released on 09 March 2011, a few days ahead of schedule. > I have installed the update on both my iPhone, and iPod Touch! > Regards. > Lewis. > PS. It is quicker when web browsing. > > On 10 Mar 2011, at 01:18, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Sarah >> >> I wasn't suggesting, just asking. I had been given to understand that, internationally at least, it was due out on 11 March. But maybe not. >> >> On 10 Mar 2011, at 01:03, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >> Huh? the update's out. and the change log is rel. I can confirm this as I've already been using th eupdate for a few hours now. >> On Mar 9, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Has this info been officially sanctioned by Apple? if not, please be careful. If so that's good. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Thu Mar 10 21:12:54 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 11:12:54 -1000 Subject: iOS 4.3 VoiceOver change log In-Reply-To: <17F478DD-0E4F-410B-A9F1-23DD5EE9BBBB@gmail.com> References: <7936F564-F159-4B3E-B4D1-F3E5EBAE4570@mac-access.net> <779CD271-FABC-4D2D-BDAA-ABC90609658B@mac-access.net> <05A195EB-00EA-4263-9AA3-AFF117E19511@googlemail.com> <17F478DD-0E4F-410B-A9F1-23DD5EE9BBBB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3BEABE58-2C82-4205-A404-BB861397B33A@mac.com> Hi Nick, Do you know whether the language gets announced if you're switching to a keyboard with non-Roman characters? Or do you still have to have the language rotor set to the default voice for languages like Russian and Chinese to be announced? I haven't updated yet. Incidentally, this is not along the lines of your original topic, but I notice that the Jibbigo bi-directional language apps have just dropped their prices to $4.99 (all except for Japanese, which is still at $27.99, but Spanish, Chinese, German, French, Iraqi (Arabic), Tagalog, and Korean are now at $4.99). I'm curious about how well these will do for spoken entry for languages with non-alphabetic characters, and I wonder whether the Iraqi text gets flowed from right to left. These apps are running speech recognition using a different algorithm than Dragon's engines, and so will work with no internet connection. Just thinking ahead to Lion with these voices. At present, text entry for languages like Chinese on the iDevices is challenging. Any takers to try out some of these? Cheers, Esther On Mar 10, 2011, at 10:57, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > Also, I know this is not important to everyone, but the button called "Next Keyboard" now says "Switch to, US English," for example. Now I know what I'm switching to if I can''t remember, since I write in a few languages on the iPhone. This makes me happy. > > Regards, > Nic > On Mar 10, 2011, at 9:54 PM, Lewis Crack wrote: > >> Hi Gordon. >> >> I doubled checked that this wasn't a leak, and I managed to confirm that iOS4.3 was released on 09 March 2011, a few days ahead of schedule. >> I have installed the update on both my iPhone, and iPod Touch! >> Regards. >> Lewis. >> PS. It is quicker when web browsing. >> >> On 10 Mar 2011, at 01:18, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi Sarah >>> >>> I wasn't suggesting, just asking. I had been given to understand that, internationally at least, it was due out on 11 March. But maybe not. >>> >>> On 10 Mar 2011, at 01:03, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> >>> Huh? the update's out. and the change log is rel. I can confirm this as I've already been using th eupdate for a few hours now. >>> On Mar 9, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Has this info been officially sanctioned by Apple? if not, please be careful. If so that's good. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Thu Mar 10 21:15:51 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:15:51 +0000 Subject: Which ipod better? In-Reply-To: References: <5CFA5A7B-4837-4395-A4E2-9DDFB92B49BE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2533B179-043C-4499-AA03-63A9F953B1A7@googlemail.com> Hi. I agree! I adore my iPod Touch, way better than I Nanno I had 2 year ago! People may say, "It's just like the iPhone." But I say, it's not. There are features that are in the iPhone that are not in the iPod Touch, such as the Compass. Regards. Lewis. On 10 Mar 2011, at 15:22, Carol Forrester at vodafoneemail.co.uk wrote: > the Ipod touch is better than either of those if you want something nearly as good as the Iphone without the phone bit, Carol > ----- Original Message ----- From: "william lomas" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:08 PM > Subject: Which ipod better? > > >> HI all, >> >> >> I know the differences in the nano and shuffle i.e. 2 gb, versus 8 or 16 but which one do epople find more efficient? >> I assume the nano is good since it works like the iphone? >> The shuffle though also seems nice I know I have my IPhone but bettery life is poor at best so a dedicated player for podcasts and other content may be better, i joined audible.co.uk and i got a fifty pounds voucher so may as well spend it i a loyal customer to them >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence >> http://www.netintelligence.com/email >> ______________________________________________ >> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence >> http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Thu Mar 10 21:16:32 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:16:32 +0000 Subject: Which ipod better? In-Reply-To: <1CB6535FC0944F07BA94EF82C3DEE3DA@homeuser5272cc> References: <5CFA5A7B-4837-4395-A4E2-9DDFB92B49BE@gmail.com> <1CB6535FC0944F07BA94EF82C3DEE3DA@homeuser5272cc> Message-ID: HI Carol and Will. Yes, you can download podcasts to the Nano, not sure about the Shuffle though. Regards. Lewis. On 10 Mar 2011, at 15:36, Carol Forrester at vodafoneemail.co.uk wrote: > I don't know if you can downlode pod casts with the other ones sorry, Carol > ----- Original Message ----- From: "william lomas" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 3:35 PM > Subject: Re: Which ipod better? > > >> Only need it though for podcasts etc. don't need all those gigabytes really >> >> On 10 Mar 2011, at 15:22, Carol Forrester at vodafoneemail.co.uk wrote: >> >>> the Ipod touch is better than either of those if you want something nearly as good as the Iphone without the phone bit, Carol >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "william lomas" >>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >>> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:08 PM >>> Subject: Which ipod better? >>> >>> >>>> HI all, >>>> >>>> >>>> I know the differences in the nano and shuffle i.e. 2 gb, versus 8 or 16 but which one do epople find more efficient? >>>> I assume the nano is good since it works like the iphone? >>>> The shuffle though also seems nice I know I have my IPhone but bettery life is poor at best so a dedicated player for podcasts and other content may be better, i joined audible.co.uk and i got a fifty pounds voucher so may as well spend it i a loyal customer to them >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence >>>> http://www.netintelligence.com/email >>>> ______________________________________________ >>>> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence >>>> http://www.netintelligence.com/email >>> >>> >>> ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> ______________________________________________ >> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence >> http://www.netintelligence.com/email >> ______________________________________________ >> This email has been scanned by Netintelligence >> http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > > ______________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Netintelligence http://www.netintelligence.com/email > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Thu Mar 10 22:23:23 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:23:23 -0400 Subject: iTunes question. Message-ID: Hi Folks: Is there a simple way to preview selected songs in the iTunes store on a Mac as there is on a PC? Thanks all over the place gang __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Mar 10 22:34:57 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:34:57 +0000 Subject: Safari: could someone test a page? Message-ID: <775E1BB9-A038-4527-95F9-0F4B11E1C975@computing.dcu.ie> Since upgrading to 5.0.4, the following page causes safari to crash for me: http://drupal.org/forum Anyone mind taking a look to see if it is just me who's having this? Cheers D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Mar 10 23:03:18 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 23:03:18 +0000 Subject: Safari: could someone test a page? In-Reply-To: <775E1BB9-A038-4527-95F9-0F4B11E1C975@computing.dcu.ie> References: <775E1BB9-A038-4527-95F9-0F4B11E1C975@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Seems totally fine for me. On 10 Mar 2011, at 22:34, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Since upgrading to 5.0.4, the following page causes safari to crash for me: > http://drupal.org/forum > > Anyone mind taking a look to see if it is just me who's having this? > > Cheers > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Mar 10 23:04:41 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 23:04:41 +0000 Subject: Safari: could someone test a page? In-Reply-To: References: <775E1BB9-A038-4527-95F9-0F4B11E1C975@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <2681A26D-2C5B-4A68-B3DB-3EC450351A1D@computing.dcu.ie> thanks Chris, after rebooting, turning off VO, still crashes here. Cheers. On 10 Mar 2011, at 23:03, Chris Moore wrote: > Seems totally fine for me. > On 10 Mar 2011, at 22:34, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Since upgrading to 5.0.4, the following page causes safari to crash for me: >> http://drupal.org/forum >> >> Anyone mind taking a look to see if it is just me who's having this? >> >> Cheers >> >> D?nal >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From opensesame at me.com Thu Mar 10 23:07:18 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:07:18 -0500 Subject: Safari: could someone test a page? In-Reply-To: <775E1BB9-A038-4527-95F9-0F4B11E1C975@computing.dcu.ie> References: <775E1BB9-A038-4527-95F9-0F4B11E1C975@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <1C905F92-0342-4D42-A94E-87AAF30ACC12@me.com> Hello Donal, I was able to cause Safari 5.0.4 to abnormally end when I opened the drupal.org site and attempted to VO past the link labeled "Skip to Main Content." Safari closed and gave me a problem report which I forwarded. If that is the same issue you're having, you might want to try one or both of the following workarounds, both of which allowed me to get past the problem link and navigate at least some of the site. 1. Use the web item rotor to move to the first Header, labeled "Drupal" and then continue navigating the page. 2. I tried the latest Webkit and it didn't crash when encountering the problem link. HTH, Bryan On Mar 10, 2011, at 5:34 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Since upgrading to 5.0.4, the following page causes safari to crash for me: > http://drupal.org/forum From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Mar 10 23:11:27 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 23:11:27 +0000 Subject: Safari: could someone test a page? In-Reply-To: <1C905F92-0342-4D42-A94E-87AAF30ACC12@me.com> References: <775E1BB9-A038-4527-95F9-0F4B11E1C975@computing.dcu.ie> <1C905F92-0342-4D42-A94E-87AAF30ACC12@me.com> Message-ID: You could also try using the tab key to see if that bi-passes the issue for you. On 10 Mar 2011, at 23:07, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hello Donal, > I was able to cause Safari 5.0.4 to abnormally end when I opened the drupal.org site and attempted to VO past the link labeled "Skip to Main Content." Safari closed and gave me a problem report which I forwarded. If that is the same issue you're having, you might want to try one or both of the following workarounds, both of which allowed me to get past the problem link and navigate at least some of the site. > 1. Use the web item rotor to move to the first Header, labeled "Drupal" and then continue navigating the page. > 2. I tried the latest Webkit and it didn't crash when encountering the problem link. > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Mar 10, 2011, at 5:34 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> Since upgrading to 5.0.4, the following page causes safari to crash for me: >> http://drupal.org/forum > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Mar 10 23:12:27 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 23:12:27 +0000 Subject: Safari: could someone test a page? In-Reply-To: <1C905F92-0342-4D42-A94E-87AAF30ACC12@me.com> References: <775E1BB9-A038-4527-95F9-0F4B11E1C975@computing.dcu.ie> <1C905F92-0342-4D42-A94E-87AAF30ACC12@me.com> Message-ID: Hi there, Nice workaround, indeed. I'd missed the fact that it was the skip-link causing the issue. You're right, though I didn't bother using the rotor just went directly to the header. I've also forwarded on the crash logs. Cheers D?nal On 10 Mar 2011, at 23:07, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hello Donal, > I was able to cause Safari 5.0.4 to abnormally end when I opened the drupal.org site and attempted to VO past the link labeled "Skip to Main Content." Safari closed and gave me a problem report which I forwarded. If that is the same issue you're having, you might want to try one or both of the following workarounds, both of which allowed me to get past the problem link and navigate at least some of the site. > 1. Use the web item rotor to move to the first Header, labeled "Drupal" and then continue navigating the page. > 2. I tried the latest Webkit and it didn't crash when encountering the problem link. > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Mar 10, 2011, at 5:34 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> Since upgrading to 5.0.4, the following page causes safari to crash for me: >> http://drupal.org/forum > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 02:54:26 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 18:54:26 -0800 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Apple_Changes_In-App_Purchase_Policy_to_Protect?= =?windows-1252?Q?_Parents=92_Credit_Cards_?= Message-ID: <28AE61B0-E77B-42D0-8F2D-3533922B1376@gmail.com> Will this prevent accidental purchases? read on to find out? http://bit.ly/dTkQsH From billd at insightbb.com Fri Mar 11 03:42:40 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:42:40 -0500 Subject: Introduction In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7CD9CB2D-2428-46C4-AF25-B0B75E346A7A@insightbb.com> Hello Desi, It is always good to see another new mac user on the list. I got my Mac in december of 2010. i have had fun learning about the mac. I still have a lot to learn but I enjoy using the mac and am grateful to all the people on this list who have helped me with learning it. after I had the mac I decided to get the I Phone. and am having a good time learning it. the people on the list once again have been a valuable resource. have fun. I am sure you mad a wise decision. Bill deatherage From billd at insightbb.com Fri Mar 11 04:03:19 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 23:03:19 -0500 Subject: Questions about getting a mac In-Reply-To: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283003FDE131@SN1PRD0201MB100.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> References: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283003FDE131@SN1PRD0201MB100.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <8B460AB1-0C3B-457C-932D-E7B3B53DDA7E@insightbb.com> Hi Linda, I used the PC for years. I now am using the Mac for most of my computer work. which is surfing the internet and e-mail. i download books from the bards list which is the talking book web sight on the Mac. as far as i know you can't use openbook with the mac. and i am not sure about Bookshare. Those things I still do with the PC. but most of the things I do is with the Mac. One thing I can do with the Mac that I had never been successful with is watching DVDs. I have some old TV shows that I am now able to listen to on the MAC. I hope this helps. One thing I appreciate is you can buy the mac and it is accessible wright out of the box. Bill deatherage From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri Mar 11 04:46:26 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:46:26 -0600 Subject: iTunes question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8685DA05-F599-4342-A5FA-A7F1983CA241@softcon.com> Just press enter on the song when it's highlighted, and Itunes will play a snippet of the song for you. From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 07:01:36 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 08:01:36 +0100 Subject: iOS 4.3 VoiceOver change log In-Reply-To: <3BEABE58-2C82-4205-A404-BB861397B33A@mac.com> References: <7936F564-F159-4B3E-B4D1-F3E5EBAE4570@mac-access.net> <779CD271-FABC-4D2D-BDAA-ABC90609658B@mac-access.net> <05A195EB-00EA-4263-9AA3-AFF117E19511@googlemail.com> <17F478DD-0E4F-410B-A9F1-23DD5EE9BBBB@gmail.com> <3BEABE58-2C82-4205-A404-BB861397B33A@mac.com> Message-ID: <727B294D-D421-496A-9BB3-4BEFA818B28A@gmail.com> Hello Esther, That is actually quite an odd thing, really. But yes, you still need to set it to the default language before languages like that are announced. Otherwise, VoiceOver will just remain silent. I'm surprised that isn't addressed. Also, I did not know Jibbigo had other languages now. I guess I'm so out-of-date. Thanks for that tip. Regards, Nic On Mar 10, 2011, at 10:12 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Nick, > > Do you know whether the language gets announced if you're switching to a keyboard with non-Roman characters? Or do you still have to have the language rotor set to the default voice for languages like Russian and Chinese to be announced? I haven't updated yet. > > Incidentally, this is not along the lines of your original topic, but I notice that the Jibbigo bi-directional language apps have just dropped their prices to $4.99 (all except for Japanese, which is still at $27.99, but Spanish, Chinese, German, French, Iraqi (Arabic), Tagalog, and Korean are now at $4.99). I'm curious about how well these will do for spoken entry for languages with non-alphabetic characters, and I wonder whether the Iraqi text gets flowed from right to left. These apps are running speech recognition using a different algorithm than Dragon's engines, and so will work with no internet connection. Just thinking ahead to Lion with these voices. At present, text entry for languages like Chinese on the iDevices is challenging. Any takers to try out some of these? > > Cheers, > > Esther > On Mar 10, 2011, at 10:57, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> Also, I know this is not important to everyone, but the button called "Next Keyboard" now says "Switch to, US English," for example. Now I know what I'm switching to if I can''t remember, since I write in a few languages on the iPhone. This makes me happy. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On Mar 10, 2011, at 9:54 PM, Lewis Crack wrote: >> >>> Hi Gordon. >>> >>> I doubled checked that this wasn't a leak, and I managed to confirm that iOS4.3 was released on 09 March 2011, a few days ahead of schedule. >>> I have installed the update on both my iPhone, and iPod Touch! >>> Regards. >>> Lewis. >>> PS. It is quicker when web browsing. >>> >>> On 10 Mar 2011, at 01:18, Gordon Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Sarah >>>> >>>> I wasn't suggesting, just asking. I had been given to understand that, internationally at least, it was due out on 11 March. But maybe not. >>>> >>>> On 10 Mar 2011, at 01:03, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>> >>>> Huh? the update's out. and the change log is rel. I can confirm this as I've already been using th eupdate for a few hours now. >>>> On Mar 9, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> Has this info been officially sanctioned by Apple? if not, please be careful. If so that's good. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 07:28:18 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 23:28:18 -0800 Subject: an amadeus question Message-ID: <895FE24A-368C-4AD2-AA25-9ACB281B8270@gmail.com> Hello for those that use amadeus pro is there a way to auto number the tracks in a queue sheet? I have markers but the titles are jut there not 01 title 02 title and so forth.. I don't want to rename all of these by hand. Any suggestions? I know xxact does this bout that program is a bit cumbersome to use. Thanks. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From ian228 at hotmail.co.uk Fri Mar 11 11:18:35 2011 From: ian228 at hotmail.co.uk (Ian Robinson) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 11:18:35 +0000 Subject: Which ipod better? In-Reply-To: <3AE2E5BD-70B3-4308-BD7F-457563AD5A9F@bresnan.net> References: <5CFA5A7B-4837-4395-A4E2-9DDFB92B49BE@gmail.com> <1CB6535FC0944F07BA94EF82C3DEE3DA@homeuser5272cc> <3AE2E5BD-70B3-4308-BD7F-457563AD5A9F@bresnan.net> Message-ID: Hi Ed, Do you know if either the Shuffle or Nano have a built-in microphone which can be used for recording voice memos? Regards. Ian On 10 Mar 2011, at 15:52, Ed Worrell wrote: > Hello, My wife has a ipod shuffle I haven't used it but if you are going to use it just for podcasts I would go that dirrection. I would get the ipod shuffle if only for the price point. Here it's almost 100 dollars cheaper then the nano. The nano is basicly a shuffle with a touch screen now. Hope this helps > > ED > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Fri Mar 11 12:26:27 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:26:27 +0000 Subject: Which ipod better? In-Reply-To: References: <5CFA5A7B-4837-4395-A4E2-9DDFB92B49BE@gmail.com> <1CB6535FC0944F07BA94EF82C3DEE3DA@homeuser5272cc> <3AE2E5BD-70B3-4308-BD7F-457563AD5A9F@bresnan.net> Message-ID: HI Ian. As far as I'm aware, the Nano and the Shuffle do not have built in microphones that is only the iPod Touch. However, you can get external microphones for the Nano, not sure about the Shuffle though. Regards. Lewis. On 11 Mar 2011, at 11:18, Ian Robinson wrote: > Hi Ed, > > Do you know if either the Shuffle or Nano have a built-in microphone which can be used for recording voice memos? > > Regards. > > Ian > > On 10 Mar 2011, at 15:52, Ed Worrell wrote: > >> Hello, My wife has a ipod shuffle I haven't used it but if you are going to use it just for podcasts I would go that dirrection. I would get the ipod shuffle if only for the price point. Here it's almost 100 dollars cheaper then the nano. The nano is basicly a shuffle with a touch screen now. Hope this helps >> >> ED >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From helianthe at mac-access.net Fri Mar 11 13:25:40 2011 From: helianthe at mac-access.net (Lyn & Twinny) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:25:40 +0100 Subject: Which ipod better? In-Reply-To: References: <5CFA5A7B-4837-4395-A4E2-9DDFB92B49BE@gmail.com><1CB6535FC0944F07BA94EF82C3DEE3DA@homeuser5272cc><3AE2E5BD-70B3-4308-BD7F-457563AD5A9F@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <4D7A22D4.60104@mac-access.net> Well I've never seen the nano or the shuffle. HOwever, having read a little about them, I think the Ipod touch is the best of all. I have a 64 gb ipod touch and I really love it. It's more than just an mp3 player since you can install pretty much the same apps as you would on an Iphone. Lyn & Twinny On 11/03/2011 13:26, Lewis Crack wrote: > HI Ian. > > As far as I'm aware, the Nano and the Shuffle do not have built in microphones that is only the iPod Touch. However, you can get external microphones for the Nano, not sure about the Shuffle though. > Regards. > Lewis. > On 11 Mar 2011, at 11:18, Ian Robinson wrote: > >> Hi Ed, >> >> Do you know if either the Shuffle or Nano have a built-in microphone which can be used for recording voice memos? >> >> Regards. >> >> Ian >> >> On 10 Mar 2011, at 15:52, Ed Worrell wrote: >> >>> Hello, My wife has a ipod shuffle I haven't used it but if you are going to use it just for podcasts I would go that dirrection. I would get the ipod shuffle if only for the price point. Here it's almost 100 dollars cheaper then the nano. The nano is basicly a shuffle with a touch screen now. Hope this helps >>> >>> ED >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 14:35:54 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:35:54 +0000 Subject: audiobooks in itunes Message-ID: <513FD940-F274-40A5-B4B2-27EF3E6520D3@gmail.com> HI all I bought some books in mp3 format and when I selected all of the tracks, hit command I to get info and set the genre to audiobook they do not appear in the books list Anyone have any ideas please? Will From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 14:48:27 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:48:27 +0000 Subject: checkboxes by podcasts Message-ID: <5A91BAF1-1322-4C21-9C8E-BDAE5620E5CF@gmail.com> hi if I have undowloaded podcast episodes and check the boxes beside them how can I start them all downloading, I assume that is why the boxes are there, to selectively choose which episodes one wants From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 14:52:37 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 14:52:37 +0000 Subject: managing podcasts Message-ID: hi all when one syncs podcasts to an ipod if they are all downloaded, can we selectively on the mac, choose which ones to send across at any one time to the ipod etc? Thanks, WIll From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Fri Mar 11 17:40:32 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 17:40:32 +0000 Subject: Securing a virtual disk Message-ID: <2387846A-7DD9-4389-9757-26F2F4892BF6@hopewell.org.uk> Hello, I am somewhat paranoid about security of personal data such as bank account details. I recently used the disk utility to create a new disk image and specified an encryption key for that image. I now have a new virtual disk wallet.dmg and when I open that file from any partition other than the one on which the file was created and on which it resides MAC OS does indeed demand that I enter the encryption key before it will mount the file as a virtual disk. that's just what I want. Alas though if I open the wallet.dmg file on the partition on which it resides then MAC OS just goes ahead and mounts the virtual disk without requiring the encryption key. WHat I hoped was that MAC OS would always demand the encryption key whenever I opened the wallet.dmg file from whatever account and whatever partition. Is it possible to set up a virtual disk to work like that? Many thanks. Paul Hopewell From billd at insightbb.com Fri Mar 11 17:53:39 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:53:39 -0500 Subject: downloading music on I tunes Message-ID: <1DF9144C-B511-42BB-B61D-D124F7D446BE@insightbb.com> Hello I tried to download a album on Itunes today on my Mac. I first of all had problems with putting in the password and I D. I finally got the message asking me if i wanted to buy this album and I typed O'Kay. the computer started clicking. I went back later and I could not find the album on my computer where should I look and how do I get there? any help with downloading would be appreciated. I usually download things wit h the I Phone and have no problems. Thanks Bill Deatherage From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 18:13:08 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:13:08 -0800 Subject: downloading music on I tunes In-Reply-To: <1DF9144C-B511-42BB-B61D-D124F7D446BE@insightbb.com> References: <1DF9144C-B511-42BB-B61D-D124F7D446BE@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <63262CDC-640C-4718-B0BA-E1C25AD3B4B6@gmail.com> Look in purchase playlist. It should be there On 11/03/2011, at 9:53, William Deatherage wrote: > Hello > I tried to download a album on Itunes today on my Mac. I first of all had problems with putting in the password and I D. I finally got the message asking me if i wanted to buy this album and I typed O'Kay. the computer started clicking. I went back later and I could not find the album on my computer where should I look and how do I get there? > any help with downloading would be appreciated. I usually download things wit h the I Phone and have no problems. > Thanks Bill Deatherage > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.london26 at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 18:13:34 2011 From: james.london26 at gmail.com (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 18:13:34 +0000 Subject: audiobooks in itunes In-Reply-To: <513FD940-F274-40A5-B4B2-27EF3E6520D3@gmail.com> References: <513FD940-F274-40A5-B4B2-27EF3E6520D3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <39015D22-8FB1-42CC-AFEA-7A8B22E62E47@gmail.com> Did you set the popup box to "Audiobook" uner the "Options" tab of the Inspector in ITunes? On 11 Mar 2011, at 14:35, william lomas wrote: > HI all I bought some books in mp3 format and when I selected all of the tracks, hit command I to get info and set the genre to audiobook they do not appear in the books list > Anyone have any ideas please? > Will > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 18:16:37 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:16:37 -0800 Subject: managing podcasts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8DA977D8-D491-459A-A39B-298E31ED6D37@gmail.com> There is a table where you see the epsv under your device list. Xcheck the podcasts radio button. On 11/03/2011, at 6:52, william lomas wrote: > hi all when one syncs podcasts to an ipod if they are all downloaded, can we selectively on the mac, choose which ones to send across at any one time to the ipod etc? > Thanks, WIll > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri Mar 11 18:46:29 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:46:29 -0600 Subject: html5 demo Message-ID: Just for reference, and because of a discussion about flash on another list, I've uploaded an html5 demo using html5 for the video player, and you'll notice it's completely accessible, including the timeline scrollbar. You can play, pause, fast forward, rewind, and pause the video, all using html5 controls. I thought this might give folks an idea of what kind of accessibility html5 offers as opposed to flash content. The demo is an apple developer sample, and I've changed nothing in the uploading to the site, only placed it there to make access easier. So, for those who are curious, you might want to give it a look. The url is: http://www.softcon.com/html5 It's actually a clip from a movie, and most of the writing is in french, but the clip itself is what I was concerned with, just to show that html5 can be 100 percent usable by vo users. Hope this helps explain some of the reasons html5 is being pushed by folks to replace flash. From james.london26 at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 19:20:03 2011 From: james.london26 at gmail.com (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:20:03 +0000 Subject: html5 demo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Travis, I'll take a look On 11 Mar 2011, at 18:46, Travis Siegel wrote: > Just for reference, and because of a discussion about flash on another list, I've uploaded an html5 demo using html5 for the video player, and you'll notice it's completely accessible, including the timeline scrollbar. You can play, pause, fast forward, rewind, and pause the video, all using html5 controls. I thought this might give folks an idea of what kind of accessibility html5 offers as opposed to flash content. > The demo is an apple developer sample, and I've changed nothing in the uploading to the site, only placed it there to make access easier. > So, for those who are curious, you might want to give it a look. > The url is: > http://www.softcon.com/html5 > It's actually a clip from a movie, and most of the writing is in french, but the clip itself is what I was concerned with, just to show that html5 can be 100 percent usable by vo users. > Hope this helps explain some of the reasons html5 is being pushed by folks to replace flash. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From edworrell at bresnan.net Fri Mar 11 19:40:50 2011 From: edworrell at bresnan.net (Ed Worrell) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:40:50 -0700 Subject: Which ipod better? In-Reply-To: References: <5CFA5A7B-4837-4395-A4E2-9DDFB92B49BE@gmail.com> <1CB6535FC0944F07BA94EF82C3DEE3DA@homeuser5272cc> <3AE2E5BD-70B3-4308-BD7F-457563AD5A9F@bresnan.net> Message-ID: Hello Ian, I know that the ipod shuffle does not have a mic in, I don't know if the 6 gen. ipod nano has one or not. The ipod 4th gen. touch has one, but is still a little pricy for using it for just podcasts, I mean it depends if that is a big factor for you, ED From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Fri Mar 11 20:03:20 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 20:03:20 +0000 Subject: Setting the default boot partition Message-ID: <1B9D33D2-F5E5-4401-A428-796326B4FE64@hopewell.org.uk> Hello, I have several bootable partitions in my environment. I can choose the desired partition by holding down the Option key when I press the start button and then wait a bit and then release the Option key and do an appropriate memorised number of left arrow presses to select the desired partition and then press Enter to boot that partition. It seems that the most recently created partition is the one which will boot by default (or maybe by coincidence it is the one which is first in alphabetical order which happens to be the most recently created one).Is there any way (probably needing sighted help) to have one of the other partitions boot by default? Many thanks. Paul Hopewell From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 20:21:06 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:21:06 -0800 Subject: Setting the default boot partition In-Reply-To: <1B9D33D2-F5E5-4401-A428-796326B4FE64@hopewell.org.uk> References: <1B9D33D2-F5E5-4401-A428-796326B4FE64@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: I think you can do it in disk utulity but I did it from teh othe rplatforms, setting my mac one tot he start up disk. I thought that was always the default unles you changed i? On Mar 11, 2011, at 12:03 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello, > I have several bootable partitions in my environment. I can choose the desired partition by holding down the Option key when I press the start button and then wait a bit and then release the Option key and do an appropriate memorised number of left arrow presses to select the desired partition and then press Enter to boot that partition. It seems that the most recently created partition is the one which will boot by default (or maybe by coincidence it is the one which is first in alphabetical order which happens to be the most recently created one).Is there any way (probably needing sighted help) to have one of the other partitions boot by default? > Many thanks. > > Paul Hopewell > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 20:50:59 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 21:50:59 +0100 Subject: Setting the default boot partition In-Reply-To: References: <1B9D33D2-F5E5-4401-A428-796326B4FE64@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <66CB8427-99C0-4EE0-AFC0-2D17EC85BC21@gmail.com> Hello Sarah, That's correct. You can either do it from the "Utilities" menu on your Mac OS X DVD from the "Startup Disk" menu item, or from System Preferences>Startup Disk when booted into Mac OS X. Regards, Nic On Mar 11, 2011, at 9:21 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I think you can do it in disk utulity but I did it from teh othe rplatforms, setting my mac one tot he start up disk. I thought that was always the default unles you changed i? > On Mar 11, 2011, at 12:03 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > >> Hello, >> I have several bootable partitions in my environment. I can choose the desired partition by holding down the Option key when I press the start button and then wait a bit and then release the Option key and do an appropriate memorised number of left arrow presses to select the desired partition and then press Enter to boot that partition. It seems that the most recently created partition is the one which will boot by default (or maybe by coincidence it is the one which is first in alphabetical order which happens to be the most recently created one).Is there any way (probably needing sighted help) to have one of the other partitions boot by default? >> Many thanks. >> >> Paul Hopewell >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 11 21:07:30 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 13:07:30 -0800 Subject: an itunes question: frustrated! Message-ID: <35A41472-A488-44E9-8323-7B3D59DDAE56@gmail.com> Hello to all. I have several apps with invalid location on them. I've been downloading them 1 by one on my mac. they are still on my phone but they never transferred even with transfer purchases about 4 or 5 times. How can I fix this with out downloading all of them by hand? Thanks. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Mar 12 03:36:36 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:36:36 -0800 Subject: Twitter Tells Developers to Stop Making Mainstream Clients Message-ID: Twitter has published an update on the Twitter platform indicating that developers are no longer welcome to create mainstream Twitter clients. http://www.iClarified.com/14240 > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Mar 12 03:42:07 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 19:42:07 -0800 Subject: iPhone: JBL On Air Wireless AirPlay speaker dock Message-ID: <1F00855A-C10B-4882-A809-AA456F1074CF@gmail.com> Seems like an interesting pair of speakers. I wonder though how we will be able to navigate the thing though. I get scared when I hear the word screen. lol! Read more. http://bit.ly/hvXnrM From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat Mar 12 07:57:23 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 07:57:23 +0000 Subject: managing podcasts In-Reply-To: <8DA977D8-D491-459A-A39B-298E31ED6D37@gmail.com> References: <8DA977D8-D491-459A-A39B-298E31ED6D37@gmail.com> Message-ID: and then I assume if I select Podcasts to sync on the ipod or iphone, i can check the episodes in question that i want on the device? On 11 Mar 2011, at 18:16, Sarah Alawami wrote: > There is a table where you see the epsv under your device list. Xcheck the podcasts radio button. > > On 11/03/2011, at 6:52, william lomas wrote: > >> hi all when one syncs podcasts to an ipod if they are all downloaded, can we selectively on the mac, choose which ones to send across at any one time to the ipod etc? >> Thanks, WIll >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Fri Mar 11 23:25:21 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2011 16:25:21 -0700 Subject: Saving Radio Streams On The Mac Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I love to listen to a lot of folk music programming via some internet radio stations. These are namely National Public Radio Streams from the websites of the individual stations. After I have listened to one, I am delighted that it always appears in my iTunes library, but even when I try to save the link under Radio Streams, it still comes out at the bottom of my music list in my Sources table. What I have done is go to the website, find the link I want, and copy it by using the "copy link" item under the menu using VO-Command M. Then I command-tab back to my already open iTunes select "radio" in my sources table, press Command-U to enter the stream link, and paste in the link. When I have done that, and press enter on the link, the stream comes up just fine, but it still appears at the bottom of my music list! Can someone explain what else I need to do to get the streams in my radio category rather than at the bottom of my music list? Thanks so much in advance! Desi From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Sat Mar 12 11:23:26 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:23:26 +0000 Subject: Fwd: Securing a virtual disk References: <2387846A-7DD9-4389-9757-26F2F4892BF6@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <0ADFFE3E-DE38-44E8-B7CD-25078E0F0A12@hopewell.org.uk> Hello, This problem is now fixed. I tried creating another encrypted virtual disk using the disk utility and this time noticed a check box which is checked by default saying "remember password in keychain". This time I unchecked that box and now whenever I mount the virtual disk from any user in any partition I have to enter the encryption key. this seems like a good no cost way of keeping private data on your MAC. Paul Hopewell Begin forwarded message: > From: Paul Hopewell > Subject: Securing a virtual disk > Date: 11 March 2011 17:40:32 GMT > To: mac-access > Reply-To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > > Hello, > I am somewhat paranoid about security of personal data such as bank account details. > > I recently used the disk utility to create a new disk image and specified an encryption key for that image. I now have a new virtual disk wallet.dmg and when I open that file from any partition other than the one on which the file was created and on which it resides MAC OS does indeed demand that I enter the encryption key before it will mount the file as a virtual disk. that's just what I want. > > Alas though if I open the wallet.dmg file on the partition on which it resides then MAC OS just goes ahead and mounts the virtual disk without requiring the encryption key. WHat I hoped was that MAC OS would always demand the encryption key whenever I opened the wallet.dmg file from whatever account and whatever partition. > > Is it possible to set up a virtual disk to work like that? > > Many thanks. > > Paul Hopewell > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat Mar 12 12:27:44 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:27:44 +0000 Subject: autofill Message-ID: hi can i use autofill on an ipod shuffle? Mine arrived today From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat Mar 12 12:52:33 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:52:33 +0000 Subject: confused regarding my shuffle Message-ID: Hi all I put a podcast on the ipod shuffle the new one launched last year and when i hold down the voiceover button i thought it groups things in to folder like podcasts, audiobooks etc. yet i just hear the name of the podcast From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat Mar 12 13:38:46 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 13:38:46 +0000 Subject: not working how i expect Message-ID: hi the shuffl ehere is not working how i expected since i thought audiobooks were in their own playlists From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sat Mar 12 14:06:53 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:06:53 -0400 Subject: Skype Notification announcement question. Message-ID: <8A304EE69DB74775A313CA1436060CBD@MainComputer> Yo Folks: Is there a way to adjust the volume level of the Skype notification announcements without adjusting the entire sound level of the Mac itself? Thanks all over the place gang. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From support at mac-access.net Sat Mar 12 14:46:18 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 14:46:18 +0000 Subject: The art of good subject lines Message-ID: <65E1BFCA-4E6F-4296-A1A5-E82F16FE37D0@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Just another gentle reminder regarding subject lines. It would be very much appreciated if people would try and keep their subject lines current and, when creating subject lines, try to make them relevant so that people know what you're talking about without having to open a message or thread. For instance, if you are creating a new thread on the subject of the new Apple iDevice range, please make it clear in the subject line what you're talking about. If you are requesting help with an issue or problem, please make the rough nature of the problem clear in the subject line. For instance, you're having a problem with an iPhone 3GS; so your subject line could look something like: iPhone 3GS: VoiceOver not working as expected Or, if you're having an issue related to the iPad, you could use something like: iPad: Navigon Query That way people have a far better chance of being able to assist you more effectively and browsing through the list by subject become more efficient. Subject lines such as "It won't Work", or "Broken" are far less likely to achieve the results you hope for since many people simply don't waste time opening such messages and thus, you don't get a response; possibly from the person best able to help you. There is another reason for keeping subject lines meaningful and current; the list archive. If ever you want to refer to something in the archive, it's far easier to find things of relevance if their subject line is meaningful. The list archive, (found at http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html/>) is a great resource. But sadly, erroneous subject lines have a detrimental affect on its usefulness as they detract from one's ability to search for items quickly by thread. Your cooperation on this would be appreciated not only by us, the list owners, but also by your fellow members who use the subject lines as a means of finding information. In recent times, we have noticed that the topical restrictions we place on the list have been paying off; the messages which drift off topic have been few and far between and it's a testament to all of you that this is the case; so thank you very much for your compliance. Let's see if we can improve the group still further by maintaining topical threads. We, Gordon and I, have been guilty of this on occasions just as much as anybody else; so please don't take this as in any way a criticism. It isn't; it's just a request and, as I said earlier, a gentle reminder. It is in no way a rebuke. Lynne From krbarry at gmail.com Sat Mar 12 15:24:35 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:24:35 -0500 Subject: managing podcasts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4d7b9026.863fdc0a.3166.ffffc184@mx.google.com> I can't answer that directly but for podcasts I highly recommend podcaster. You can subscribe to podcasts directly and download them straight to your IOS device. I love doing this. I'm subscribed to a lot of podcasts and my IPod Touch is set to check for updates on a schedule and I simply play them when I wish. Kevin At 09:52 AM 3/11/2011, you wrote: > hi all when one syncs podcasts to an ipod if they > are all downloaded, can we selectively on the mac, choose which > ones to send across at any one time to the ipod etc? >Thanks, WIll > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From mattchao at verizon.net Sat Mar 12 15:29:06 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 10:29:06 -0500 Subject: Looking for Changes in VO on iPhone Message-ID: <10B42FBE-45F7-42E8-88EE-BE842346433D@verizon.net> Hi, Folks! I just updated my iPhone to IOS4.3. How do I look for things that might be new for VO in the new OS? Thanks in advance for your help. Matthew Chao P.S. Tried to look for info on the Apple site, but no luck. From weavermicha at googlemail.com Sat Mar 12 18:05:15 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:05:15 +0000 Subject: the i-phone and bluetooth Message-ID: <4d7bb4ce.0452d80a.597b.152d@mx.google.com> i have just paired my bluetooth keyboard with my i-phone. as regards bluetooth is it still advised to turn it off when not using my keyboard? i ask because i know there used to be a flaw with bluetooth enabled phones and people used to be advised to turn off bluetooth whenever it wasn't used. From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Mar 12 20:03:34 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:03:34 -0800 Subject: the i-phone and bluetooth In-Reply-To: <4d7bb4ce.0452d80a.597b.152d@mx.google.com> References: <4d7bb4ce.0452d80a.597b.152d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: No you are good. I leave mine on all the time and it is not paired with anything at the moment. If you have an apple keyboard though I would turn it off in case the keyboard turns on and it's in your purse or what ever. your phone might start donig some oddish things lol! On Mar 12, 2011, at 10:05 AM, michael weaver wrote: > i have just paired my bluetooth keyboard with my i-phone. > as regards bluetooth is it still advised to turn it off when not using my keyboard? > i ask because i know there used to be a flaw with bluetooth enabled phones and people used to be advised to turn off bluetooth whenever it wasn't used. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sat Mar 12 22:00:09 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 18:00:09 -0400 Subject: Skype question. Message-ID: <5878B6179E6946BB972A1C8562C3EB0A@MainComputer> Hi Folks: Using a Mac: how does one invite a person to a Skype conference call? Thanks all over the place gang. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From billd at insightbb.com Sat Mar 12 22:35:38 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 17:35:38 -0500 Subject: safari on the Iphone Message-ID: <0380DD67-59CB-47C3-9DED-61EB60A464AE@insightbb.com> Hello to all, if you are trying to bring up a web sight in Safari on the i phone that is an abbreviation like ACB.com or for example I was trying to bring up the Grand old OPery Sight on WSM. the web address is Opry.com when I put in opry the spell correct tried to correct the spelling and I had trouble putting in the web address. Thank you in advance. Bill Deatherage From desiandcandy at q.com Sat Mar 12 23:05:30 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 16:05:30 -0700 Subject: Skype question. In-Reply-To: <5878B6179E6946BB972A1C8562C3EB0A@MainComputer> References: <5878B6179E6946BB972A1C8562C3EB0A@MainComputer> Message-ID: For that matter, I just downloaded Skype the other day on my Mac, and am wondering if there is anywhere where I can find instructions for using it with VoiceOver? Now that I have it again, I'm not sure how to work it? LOL! At this point, the main things I want to do with it are Skype To Skype, and Skype To Telephone calls. Thanks for any help! Desi On Mar 12, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hi Folks: > > Using a Mac: how does one invite a person to a Skype conference call? > > Thanks all over the place gang. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk Sun Mar 13 11:24:24 2011 From: harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk (Ian Harrison) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:24:24 +0000 Subject: Complicated TNAUK questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5AF9E388-A1DB-47EC-91EE-DD288E98649D@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Hi Sandy, Many thanks for the tips. I'll give it a go. On 08 March 2011, at 12:46, Sandy Tomkins wrote: > Hi, > > Sorry for the quality of my typing, am on the train and my Think Outside keyboard is light on the trigger! > > I think there are two ways of doing what yu want. > > 1. When using your iPhone and reading an article, just double tap and hold in tyhe centre of the screen. While still holding down on the second tap you should hear a sort of bobbly noise, lift your finger and then just wait a second or two and you will hear another trill, if you then touch the centre of the screen again, you should hear "select" flick right and you should hear "select all" double tap this, touchthe centre of the screen again and hear "copy" do that! I then opened notes, stated a new one and pasted into there the article! > > The other way is with a bt keyboard but Iam coming into the station! AAAAAgh! sandy. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 8 Mar 2011, at 09:47, Ian Harrison wrote: > >> Hello to all and sorry for the long posting. >> >> I have recently moved from windows to Mac and using an iphone. I subscribe to the TNAUK service. I receive newspapers by email and save them to a BookCourier to listen to. I bookmark good articles and then save them using A Technic newsreader. On the pc, this program splits the word document into html in a hierarchy of links to each separate article. This made it easy for me to find and save my favourite ones. >> >> My BookCourier is dying and I would like to just use my iphone to do the job, but I want to be able to navigate to individual articles and copy them onto my mac for future reference. >> >> Do any of you have experience of using TNAUK on the iphone and copying articles onto the Mac? If so, can you offer me some tips and advice on the best way to achieve what I used to do with ease on the pc and Bookcourier. >> >> With thanks >> Ian >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sun Mar 13 11:35:41 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:35:41 -0300 Subject: MacBook Pro audio question. Message-ID: <73B125BC2153428F8899CEE629C888A8@MainComputer> Hi Folks: Is it possible to have Voiceover use the internal soundcard while assigning iTunes to my Firewire sound card? Thanks all over the place gang. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sun Mar 13 12:45:37 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:45:37 -0300 Subject: VLC question. Message-ID: Hi Folks: Is it possible to choose between multiple soundcards with VLC on a Mac? Thanks all over the place gang. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From rose at chicksdigmacs.net Sun Mar 13 12:54:59 2011 From: rose at chicksdigmacs.net (Rose Morales) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 08:54:59 -0400 Subject: VLC question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8C3DBA1F-4B98-4F08-89D1-ED133C77E606@chicksdigmacs.net> No, it's not. Sorry. Believe me. A bunch of us wish we could choose between multiple sound cards. But VLC will always use whatever sound card you have set as your default. Hth, Rose On Mar 13, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hi Folks: > > Is it possible to choose between multiple soundcards with VLC on a Mac? > > Thanks all over the place gang. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sun Mar 13 13:01:21 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:01:21 -0300 Subject: VLC question. In-Reply-To: <8C3DBA1F-4B98-4F08-89D1-ED133C77E606@chicksdigmacs.net> References: <8C3DBA1F-4B98-4F08-89D1-ED133C77E606@chicksdigmacs.net> Message-ID: Rose: Is there an app out there that will do the job? Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Morales" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 9:54 AM Subject: Re: VLC question. > No, it's not. Sorry. Believe me. A bunch of us wish we could choose > between multiple sound cards. But VLC will always use whatever sound card > you have set as your default. > Hth, > Rose > > On Mar 13, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > >> Hi Folks: >> >> Is it possible to choose between multiple soundcards with VLC on a Mac? >> >> Thanks all over the place gang. >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From rose at chicksdigmacs.net Sun Mar 13 13:10:09 2011 From: rose at chicksdigmacs.net (Rose Morales) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 09:10:09 -0400 Subject: VLC question. In-Reply-To: References: <8C3DBA1F-4B98-4F08-89D1-ED133C77E606@chicksdigmacs.net> Message-ID: Jim, Cog will let you switch sound cards, but it can't play video files. It's a really nice app though. It has an accessible now-playing list and global shortcuts which you can customize. I use it for all my music needs, unless I want to have access to my whole catalog. In this instance, I will use iTunes. Hth, Rose On Mar 13, 2011, at 9:01 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Rose: > > Is there an app out there that will do the job? > > Thanks. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Morales" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 9:54 AM > Subject: Re: VLC question. > > >> No, it's not. Sorry. Believe me. A bunch of us wish we could choose between multiple sound cards. But VLC will always use whatever sound card you have set as your default. >> Hth, >> Rose >> >> On Mar 13, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >> >>> Hi Folks: >>> >>> Is it possible to choose between multiple soundcards with VLC on a Mac? >>> >>> Thanks all over the place gang. >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.london26 at gmail.com Sun Mar 13 13:25:13 2011 From: james.london26 at gmail.com (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:25:13 +0000 Subject: VLC question. In-Reply-To: References: <8C3DBA1F-4B98-4F08-89D1-ED133C77E606@chicksdigmacs.net> Message-ID: Jim, and Rose You can use VLC to play audio through your speakers or headphones and VO through the other if you like. You'll find the option in the "Audio" menu. Is this what you want? Rose, thank you for the info on Cog, I didn't know you could select multiple sound cards TC :) James On 13 Mar 2011, at 13:10, Rose Morales wrote: > Jim, > Cog will let you switch sound cards, but it can't play video files. It's a really nice app though. It has an accessible now-playing list and global shortcuts which you can customize. I use it for all my music needs, unless I want to have access to my whole catalog. In this instance, I will use iTunes. > Hth, > Rose > > On Mar 13, 2011, at 9:01 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > >> Rose: >> >> Is there an app out there that will do the job? >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Morales" >> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 9:54 AM >> Subject: Re: VLC question. >> >> >>> No, it's not. Sorry. Believe me. A bunch of us wish we could choose between multiple sound cards. But VLC will always use whatever sound card you have set as your default. >>> Hth, >>> Rose >>> >>> On Mar 13, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Folks: >>>> >>>> Is it possible to choose between multiple soundcards with VLC on a Mac? >>>> >>>> Thanks all over the place gang. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ian228 at hotmail.co.uk Sun Mar 13 14:59:06 2011 From: ian228 at hotmail.co.uk (Ian Robinson) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:59:06 +0000 Subject: Which ipod better? In-Reply-To: References: <5CFA5A7B-4837-4395-A4E2-9DDFB92B49BE@gmail.com> <1CB6535FC0944F07BA94EF82C3DEE3DA@homeuser5272cc> <3AE2E5BD-70B3-4308-BD7F-457563AD5A9F@bresnan.net> Message-ID: Hi Lewis, Shame the Shuffle or Nano don't have microphones. The one feature of the BookSense that I miss is the ability to record a quick voice memo. sure, with my IPod Touch, I can use the headphones which include a microphone, but I don't always have them with me. Regards. Ian On 11 Mar 2011, at 12:26, Lewis Crack wrote: > HI Ian. > > As far as I'm aware, the Nano and the Shuffle do not have built in microphones that is only the iPod Touch. However, you can get external microphones for the Nano, not sure about the Shuffle though. > Regards. > Lewis. > On 11 Mar 2011, at 11:18, Ian Robinson wrote: > >> Hi Ed, >> >> Do you know if either the Shuffle or Nano have a built-in microphone which can be used for recording voice memos? >> >> Regards. >> >> Ian >> >> On 10 Mar 2011, at 15:52, Ed Worrell wrote: >> >>> Hello, My wife has a ipod shuffle I haven't used it but if you are going to use it just for podcasts I would go that dirrection. I would get the ipod shuffle if only for the price point. Here it's almost 100 dollars cheaper then the nano. The nano is basicly a shuffle with a touch screen now. Hope this helps >>> >>> ED >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sun Mar 13 15:01:48 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:01:48 -0300 Subject: VLC question. In-Reply-To: References: <8C3DBA1F-4B98-4F08-89D1-ED133C77E606@chicksdigmacs.net> Message-ID: <4D5C1967A9A54FACB9FD50BCBAD5078B@MainComputer> Hey Rose: Thanks all over the place. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Morales" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:10 AM Subject: Re: VLC question. > Jim, > Cog will let you switch sound cards, but it can't play video files. It's a > really nice app though. It has an accessible now-playing list and global > shortcuts which you can customize. I use it for all my music needs, unless > I want to have access to my whole catalog. In this instance, I will use > iTunes. > Hth, > Rose > > On Mar 13, 2011, at 9:01 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > >> Rose: >> >> Is there an app out there that will do the job? >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Morales" >> >> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 9:54 AM >> Subject: Re: VLC question. >> >> >>> No, it's not. Sorry. Believe me. A bunch of us wish we could choose >>> between multiple sound cards. But VLC will always use whatever sound >>> card you have set as your default. >>> Hth, >>> Rose >>> >>> On Mar 13, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Folks: >>>> >>>> Is it possible to choose between multiple soundcards with VLC on a Mac? >>>> >>>> Thanks all over the place gang. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>> signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >>>> the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >>> the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >> signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From ian228 at hotmail.co.uk Sun Mar 13 15:01:30 2011 From: ian228 at hotmail.co.uk (Ian Robinson) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 15:01:30 +0000 Subject: Which ipod better? In-Reply-To: References: <5CFA5A7B-4837-4395-A4E2-9DDFB92B49BE@gmail.com> <1CB6535FC0944F07BA94EF82C3DEE3DA@homeuser5272cc> <3AE2E5BD-70B3-4308-BD7F-457563AD5A9F@bresnan.net> Message-ID: Hi Ed, Are you sure the latest IPod Touch has a built-in microphone? I tried recording without the headphones connected and only got silence. Regards. Ian On 11 Mar 2011, at 19:40, Ed Worrell wrote: > Hello Ian, I know that the ipod shuffle does not have a mic in, I don't know if the 6 gen. ipod nano has one or not. The ipod 4th gen. touch has one, but is still a little pricy for using it for just podcasts, I mean it depends if that is a big factor for you, > > ED > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sun Mar 13 15:02:37 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:02:37 -0300 Subject: VLC question. In-Reply-To: References: <8C3DBA1F-4B98-4F08-89D1-ED133C77E606@chicksdigmacs.net> Message-ID: <6F5AC6AA99C54445BAEBE725DDCC2B8D@MainComputer> Hi: I was unable to find the option in the audio menu Thanks. . ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES AUSTIN" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:25 AM Subject: Re: VLC question. > Jim, and Rose > > You can use VLC to play audio through your speakers or headphones and VO > through the other if you like. You'll find the option in the "Audio" menu. > Is this what you want? > > Rose, thank you for the info on Cog, I didn't know you could select > multiple sound cards > > TC :) > James > On 13 Mar 2011, at 13:10, Rose Morales wrote: > >> Jim, >> Cog will let you switch sound cards, but it can't play video files. It's >> a really nice app though. It has an accessible now-playing list and >> global shortcuts which you can customize. I use it for all my music >> needs, unless I want to have access to my whole catalog. In this >> instance, I will use iTunes. >> Hth, >> Rose >> >> On Mar 13, 2011, at 9:01 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >> >>> Rose: >>> >>> Is there an app out there that will do the job? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Morales" >>> >>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 9:54 AM >>> Subject: Re: VLC question. >>> >>> >>>> No, it's not. Sorry. Believe me. A bunch of us wish we could choose >>>> between multiple sound cards. But VLC will always use whatever sound >>>> card you have set as your default. >>>> Hth, >>>> Rose >>>> >>>> On Mar 13, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Folks: >>>>> >>>>> Is it possible to choose between multiple soundcards with VLC on a >>>>> Mac? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks all over the place gang. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>> signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>>>> >>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >>>>> the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >>>> the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>> signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >>> the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From ian228 at hotmail.co.uk Sun Mar 13 15:13:23 2011 From: ian228 at hotmail.co.uk (Ian Robinson) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 15:13:23 +0000 Subject: Which ipod better? In-Reply-To: References: <5CFA5A7B-4837-4395-A4E2-9DDFB92B49BE@gmail.com> <1CB6535FC0944F07BA94EF82C3DEE3DA@homeuser5272cc> <3AE2E5BD-70B3-4308-BD7F-457563AD5A9F@bresnan.net> Message-ID: OK Folks, Ignore my query about built-in microphones. I've just tried recording on my IPod Touch again and it worked just perfectly. Not sure what I was doing wrong previously. Regards. Ian On 13 Mar 2011, at 15:01, Ian Robinson wrote: > Hi Ed, > > Are you sure the latest IPod Touch has a built-in microphone? I tried recording without the headphones connected and only got silence. > > Regards. > > Ian > > On 11 Mar 2011, at 19:40, Ed Worrell wrote: > >> Hello Ian, I know that the ipod shuffle does not have a mic in, I don't know if the 6 gen. ipod nano has one or not. The ipod 4th gen. touch has one, but is still a little pricy for using it for just podcasts, I mean it depends if that is a big factor for you, >> >> ED >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From simon at scavendish.co.uk Sun Mar 13 15:46:18 2011 From: simon at scavendish.co.uk (Simon Cavendish) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 15:46:18 +0000 Subject: Facebook and voiceover tips Message-ID: <92F2DE2A-14F0-4504-BFCB-4EB7385D97BA@scavendish.co.uk> Dear Listers, How do you find using Facebook with Voiceover? Has anyone got any useful tips? Are there applications that would work well with Facebook? it's a huge website with lots of links and navigating it taeks for ever. Thanks for any information you may give me. Simon From edworrell at bresnan.net Sun Mar 13 16:11:56 2011 From: edworrell at bresnan.net (Ed Worrell) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 10:11:56 -0600 Subject: Which ipod better? In-Reply-To: References: <5CFA5A7B-4837-4395-A4E2-9DDFB92B49BE@gmail.com> <1CB6535FC0944F07BA94EF82C3DEE3DA@homeuser5272cc> <3AE2E5BD-70B3-4308-BD7F-457563AD5A9F@bresnan.net> Message-ID: You know I am not sure now, I thought it did, I was just going on what I was told, I know the ipad has a mic on the top by the headphone jack. hmmm... I'm not sure if it does now... sorry for misleading you... From david.mclean at cox.net Sun Mar 13 15:40:47 2011 From: david.mclean at cox.net (David McLean) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:40:47 -0400 Subject: VLC question. In-Reply-To: <6F5AC6AA99C54445BAEBE725DDCC2B8D@MainComputer> References: <8C3DBA1F-4B98-4F08-89D1-ED133C77E606@chicksdigmacs.net> <6F5AC6AA99C54445BAEBE725DDCC2B8D@MainComputer> Message-ID: <1C02653C-DD7B-4973-9B72-8F6A330CA940@cox.net> By the way you can redirect the output of Vlc if you go to the audio menu. Not the one in preferences but the one to the right of the playback menu. Down arrow to sound device and choose the one you want from the submenu found there. On Mar 13, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hi: > > I was unable to find the option in the audio menu > > Thanks. > > . > ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES AUSTIN" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:25 AM > Subject: Re: VLC question. > > >> Jim, and Rose >> >> You can use VLC to play audio through your speakers or headphones and VO through the other if you like. You'll find the option in the "Audio" menu. Is this what you want? >> >> Rose, thank you for the info on Cog, I didn't know you could select multiple sound cards >> >> TC :) >> James >> On 13 Mar 2011, at 13:10, Rose Morales wrote: >> >>> Jim, >>> Cog will let you switch sound cards, but it can't play video files. It's a really nice app though. It has an accessible now-playing list and global shortcuts which you can customize. I use it for all my music needs, unless I want to have access to my whole catalog. In this instance, I will use iTunes. >>> Hth, >>> Rose >>> >>> On Mar 13, 2011, at 9:01 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >>> >>>> Rose: >>>> >>>> Is there an app out there that will do the job? >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Morales" >>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 9:54 AM >>>> Subject: Re: VLC question. >>>> >>>> >>>>> No, it's not. Sorry. Believe me. A bunch of us wish we could choose between multiple sound cards. But VLC will always use whatever sound card you have set as your default. >>>>> Hth, >>>>> Rose >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 13, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Folks: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it possible to choose between multiple soundcards with VLC on a Mac? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks all over the place gang. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>>>>> >>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>>>> >>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From billd at insightbb.com Sun Mar 13 16:16:12 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 12:16:12 -0400 Subject: I Tunes question Message-ID: Hello this morning i tried to listen to a radio station that I had previously listened to. I went to Safari and brought up the station. when i went to the listen link and typed inter on it The downloads came open and i got a message saying it couldn't be accessed because the file had been previously downloaded by a later version of I Tunes. i have been using the same computer to download it accept for the times when I have downloaded it on my I Phone. that is what i had to listen to the program. I listened to it on the I phone. does anyone have any suggestions on what might have happened? Bill Deatherage From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Sun Mar 13 17:06:47 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:06:47 +0000 Subject: Facebook and voiceover tips In-Reply-To: <92F2DE2A-14F0-4504-BFCB-4EB7385D97BA@scavendish.co.uk> References: <92F2DE2A-14F0-4504-BFCB-4EB7385D97BA@scavendish.co.uk> Message-ID: HI Simon. Facebook is very good with VoiceOver, although I tend to use the Mobile version: m.facebook.com This is because it is easier to navigate around, although the main site is accessible. If you want to use Facebook chat to chat with people, I would recommend Adium or iChat. Adium is better for those users who are new to it as it announces every event and navigating windows isa lot easier. Hope this helps. Lewis. On 13 Mar 2011, at 15:46, Simon Cavendish wrote: > Dear Listers, > > How do you find using Facebook with Voiceover? Has anyone got any useful tips? Are there applications that would work well with Facebook? it's a huge website with lots of links and navigating it taeks for ever. > > Thanks for any information you may give me. > > Simon > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moopiecurran at gmail.com Sun Mar 13 17:22:36 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:22:36 -0400 Subject: Converting home movies to DVD format Message-ID: <5C7DFAF8-C974-44D9-ACC0-13717C7300D3@gmail.com> Hi, I have some home movies taken with a family member's video camera, and with me being the tech geek that I am, they want me to put them on DVD. The videos are .mov files, I don't know what to do to convert them to DVD, will DVD remaster work, and if so, what format should they be in? Thanks, Courtney From rose at chicksdigmacs.net Sun Mar 13 18:14:03 2011 From: rose at chicksdigmacs.net (Rose Morales) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:14:03 -0400 Subject: VLC question. In-Reply-To: <1C02653C-DD7B-4973-9B72-8F6A330CA940@cox.net> References: <8C3DBA1F-4B98-4F08-89D1-ED133C77E606@chicksdigmacs.net> <6F5AC6AA99C54445BAEBE725DDCC2B8D@MainComputer> <1C02653C-DD7B-4973-9B72-8F6A330CA940@cox.net> Message-ID: Well what do ya know? Audio/audio device is the place to be if you'd like to change your sound card. This was not the case in earlier versions. I've used vlc for years. It must have been something they added under my nose. Thanks for the info, James and David. Regards, Rose On Mar 13, 2011, at 11:40 AM, David McLean wrote: > By the way you can redirect the output of Vlc if you go to the audio menu. Not the one in preferences but the one to the right of the playback menu. Down arrow to sound device and choose the one you want from the submenu found there. > On Mar 13, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > >> Hi: >> >> I was unable to find the option in the audio menu >> >> Thanks. >> >> . >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES AUSTIN" >> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:25 AM >> Subject: Re: VLC question. >> >> >>> Jim, and Rose >>> >>> You can use VLC to play audio through your speakers or headphones and VO through the other if you like. You'll find the option in the "Audio" menu. Is this what you want? >>> >>> Rose, thank you for the info on Cog, I didn't know you could select multiple sound cards >>> >>> TC :) >>> James >>> On 13 Mar 2011, at 13:10, Rose Morales wrote: >>> >>>> Jim, >>>> Cog will let you switch sound cards, but it can't play video files. It's a really nice app though. It has an accessible now-playing list and global shortcuts which you can customize. I use it for all my music needs, unless I want to have access to my whole catalog. In this instance, I will use iTunes. >>>> Hth, >>>> Rose >>>> >>>> On Mar 13, 2011, at 9:01 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >>>> >>>>> Rose: >>>>> >>>>> Is there an app out there that will do the job? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Morales" >>>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 9:54 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: VLC question. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> No, it's not. Sorry. Believe me. A bunch of us wish we could choose between multiple sound cards. But VLC will always use whatever sound card you have set as your default. >>>>>> Hth, >>>>>> Rose >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 13, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Folks: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is it possible to choose between multiple soundcards with VLC on a Mac? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks all over the place gang. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>>>>> >>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>>>> >>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Sun Mar 13 19:39:14 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:39:14 +0000 Subject: Facebook and voiceover tips In-Reply-To: References: <92F2DE2A-14F0-4504-BFCB-4EB7385D97BA@scavendish.co.uk> Message-ID: <845A9932-793C-4D8C-9DE0-1C2DF093A00B@gmail.com> Hi There! Also some people have said to clear out as many apps and other things as you can on the main fb site, to make navigating easier! As well as that use group mode instead of dom, but that's down to what you prefer! Colin I'm far too bad for Heaven! The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! On 13 Mar 2011, at 17:06, Lewis Crack wrote: > HI Simon. > > Facebook is very good with VoiceOver, although I tend to use the Mobile version: m.facebook.com > This is because it is easier to navigate around, although the main site is accessible. > If you want to use Facebook chat to chat with people, I would recommend Adium or iChat. > Adium is better for those users who are new to it as it announces every event and navigating windows isa lot easier. > Hope this helps. > Lewis. > On 13 Mar 2011, at 15:46, Simon Cavendish wrote: > >> Dear Listers, >> >> How do you find using Facebook with Voiceover? Has anyone got any useful tips? Are there applications that would work well with Facebook? it's a huge website with lots of links and navigating it taeks for ever. >> >> Thanks for any information you may give me. >> >> Simon >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 13 20:12:07 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:12:07 -0700 Subject: VLC question. In-Reply-To: <8C3DBA1F-4B98-4F08-89D1-ED133C77E606@chicksdigmacs.net> References: <8C3DBA1F-4B98-4F08-89D1-ED133C77E606@chicksdigmacs.net> Message-ID: Actualy I've done it. go to output there in the prefs of vlc and choose what ever you want. I have mine going thorugh sound flower during my shows. S On Mar 13, 2011, at 5:54 AM, Rose Morales wrote: > No, it's not. Sorry. Believe me. A bunch of us wish we could choose between multiple sound cards. But VLC will always use whatever sound card you have set as your default. > Hth, > Rose > > On Mar 13, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > >> Hi Folks: >> >> Is it possible to choose between multiple soundcards with VLC on a Mac? >> >> Thanks all over the place gang. >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sun Mar 13 20:27:29 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:27:29 -0300 Subject: VLC question. In-Reply-To: References: <8C3DBA1F-4B98-4F08-89D1-ED133C77E606@chicksdigmacs.net> <6F5AC6AA99C54445BAEBE725DDCC2B8D@MainComputer> <1C02653C-DD7B-4973-9B72-8F6A330CA940@cox.net> Message-ID: Rose: The problem with that particular setting is that it reverts back to the default when opening the next session. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Morales" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 3:14 PM Subject: Re: VLC question. > Well what do ya know? Audio/audio device is the place to be if you'd like > to change your sound card. This was not the case in earlier versions. I've > used vlc for years. It must have been something they added under my nose. > Thanks for the info, James and David. > Regards, > Rose > > On Mar 13, 2011, at 11:40 AM, David McLean wrote: > >> By the way you can redirect the output of Vlc if you go to the audio >> menu. Not the one in preferences but the one to the right of the >> playback menu. Down arrow to sound device and choose the one you want >> from the submenu found there. >> On Mar 13, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >> >>> Hi: >>> >>> I was unable to find the option in the audio menu >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> . >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES AUSTIN" >>> >>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:25 AM >>> Subject: Re: VLC question. >>> >>> >>>> Jim, and Rose >>>> >>>> You can use VLC to play audio through your speakers or headphones and >>>> VO through the other if you like. You'll find the option in the "Audio" >>>> menu. Is this what you want? >>>> >>>> Rose, thank you for the info on Cog, I didn't know you could select >>>> multiple sound cards >>>> >>>> TC :) >>>> James >>>> On 13 Mar 2011, at 13:10, Rose Morales wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jim, >>>>> Cog will let you switch sound cards, but it can't play video files. >>>>> It's a really nice app though. It has an accessible now-playing list >>>>> and global shortcuts which you can customize. I use it for all my >>>>> music needs, unless I want to have access to my whole catalog. In this >>>>> instance, I will use iTunes. >>>>> Hth, >>>>> Rose >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 13, 2011, at 9:01 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Rose: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there an app out there that will do the job? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Morales" >>>>>> >>>>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 9:54 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: VLC question. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> No, it's not. Sorry. Believe me. A bunch of us wish we could choose >>>>>>> between multiple sound cards. But VLC will always use whatever sound >>>>>>> card you have set as your default. >>>>>>> Hth, >>>>>>> Rose >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mar 13, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Folks: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is it possible to choose between multiple soundcards with VLC on a >>>>>>>> Mac? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks all over the place gang. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>>>> signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted >>>>>>>> to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted >>>>>>> to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>>> signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>>>> signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>>>>> >>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >>>>>> the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >>>>> the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >>>> the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>>> signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >>> signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >>> the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 13 20:34:17 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 13:34:17 -0700 Subject: VLC question. In-Reply-To: References: <8C3DBA1F-4B98-4F08-89D1-ED133C77E606@chicksdigmacs.net> <6F5AC6AA99C54445BAEBE725DDCC2B8D@MainComputer> <1C02653C-DD7B-4973-9B72-8F6A330CA940@cox.net> Message-ID: <0BBF2E03-C894-488D-9C8D-C9ADE8E31777@gmail.com> Ah I don't have vlc open right now let alone installed but try the prefs menu there. I think there is a tool bar item called sound or something. not sure. Take care. On Mar 13, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Rose: > > The problem with that particular setting is that it reverts back to the default when opening the next session. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Morales" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: VLC question. > > >> Well what do ya know? Audio/audio device is the place to be if you'd like to change your sound card. This was not the case in earlier versions. I've used vlc for years. It must have been something they added under my nose. >> Thanks for the info, James and David. >> Regards, >> Rose >> >> On Mar 13, 2011, at 11:40 AM, David McLean wrote: >> >>> By the way you can redirect the output of Vlc if you go to the audio menu. Not the one in preferences but the one to the right of the playback menu. Down arrow to sound device and choose the one you want from the submenu found there. >>> On Mar 13, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >>> >>>> Hi: >>>> >>>> I was unable to find the option in the audio menu >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> . >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES AUSTIN" >>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:25 AM >>>> Subject: Re: VLC question. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jim, and Rose >>>>> >>>>> You can use VLC to play audio through your speakers or headphones and VO through the other if you like. You'll find the option in the "Audio" menu. Is this what you want? >>>>> >>>>> Rose, thank you for the info on Cog, I didn't know you could select multiple sound cards >>>>> >>>>> TC :) >>>>> James >>>>> On 13 Mar 2011, at 13:10, Rose Morales wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jim, >>>>>> Cog will let you switch sound cards, but it can't play video files. It's a really nice app though. It has an accessible now-playing list and global shortcuts which you can customize. I use it for all my music needs, unless I want to have access to my whole catalog. In this instance, I will use iTunes. >>>>>> Hth, >>>>>> Rose >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 13, 2011, at 9:01 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Rose: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there an app out there that will do the job? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Morales" >>>>>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 9:54 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: VLC question. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> No, it's not. Sorry. Believe me. A bunch of us wish we could choose between multiple sound cards. But VLC will always use whatever sound card you have set as your default. >>>>>>>> Hth, >>>>>>>> Rose >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mar 13, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Folks: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is it possible to choose between multiple soundcards with VLC on a Mac? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks all over the place gang. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>>>> >>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! 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> > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mattchao at verizon.net Sun Mar 13 21:25:23 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:25:23 -0400 Subject: New in VO for IOS 4.3? Message-ID: Hi, Folks! Not sure if my last message got to the list. I just updated to IOS 4.3. Was wondering if there is anything new in VoiceOver in this update. Somewhere I heard that there were some different gestures. If there are new things in VoiceOver, how do I find out what they are? Thanks in advance. Matthew Chao From moopiecurran at gmail.com Sun Mar 13 21:34:23 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 17:34:23 -0400 Subject: Are my messages getting through? Message-ID: <880DBE35-1F4B-4572-AD48-9A4B7030B6EC@gmail.com> Hi, I'm really sorry to do this, but I'm just curious if any of you are seeing my messages come through to this list. Again, I appollogize to have to write to the whole list, but I wasn't sure what else to do. Courtney From moriond at mac.com Sun Mar 13 21:39:58 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 11:39:58 -1000 Subject: Audio Midi Setup, Soundflower, and VLC [was Re: VLC question.] In-Reply-To: References: <8C3DBA1F-4B98-4F08-89D1-ED133C77E606@chicksdigmacs.net> <6F5AC6AA99C54445BAEBE725DDCC2B8D@MainComputer> <1C02653C-DD7B-4973-9B72-8F6A330CA940@cox.net> Message-ID: <165D388C-0870-4C2E-8053-0476C73BFDAE@mac.com> Hi Jim, If you read the VLC Readme notes, it references the Audio Midi setup under the Utilities folder. I remember that someone who got a separate sound card for the Mac (nearly 5 years ago) was able to use some of those settings to partially configure the device, even though it was not officially supported with a Mac driver. The Readme note: 12. Multiple sound-devices and multi-channel sound? Look at the Audio->Audio Device menuitem. - You should change your speakerlayout in the Audio Midi Setup utility. The program is located in /Applications/Utilities. Select your audio device in "Properties For:", then click the "Configure Speakers" button. Choose "Multichannel". Even if these settings are correct, you should change them and click "Apply", then change them back and again click "Apply". This is important, otherwise VLC cannot reliably detect which speakers are connected. - Make sure your device surround configuration is not set to emulate surround output. M-Audio for instance defaults to using SRS surround sound emulation in multichannel setups. You should change this to "None/OpenAL". Also, on a slightly different (but related topic), the settings for "Soundflower" show up in the "Show Audio Window" window of Audio Midi Setup. Emrah asked a few weeks ago about finding a Soundflower add-on that appeared on the status menu bar. This was during the period when we were discussing how to access status menu bar icons that VoiceOver couldn't navigate to directly, but where you could find these icons by slowly moving your mouse cursor left or right along the top menu bar, and using VO-F5 to announce what is under the mouse (for me, this is generally to the left of where Control-F8 places the VoiceOver cursor). At the time, I replied that I'd never found something associated with Soundflower. Well, there is a Soundflowerbed icon that is on the status menu bar, but it only shows up on the status menu bar of my system if I start the Soundflowerbed application. And if I navigate to it so that VoiceOver announces "Soundflowerbed is under the mouse" when I press VO-F5 (or just the F5 key, since I've locked the VoiceOver keys), and then VO-Shift-Click (or Shift-Click with VO keys locked) or tap the Trackpad to activate the menu, there is a "Audio Setup" option that brings up the Audio Window of the Audio Midi Setup. So, I'm wondering whether Emrah can just do his Soundflower setup from the Audio Midi Setup application in the Utilities sub-folder of Applications. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Mar 13, 2011, at 10:27, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Rose: > > The problem with that particular setting is that it reverts back to the default when opening the next session. > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rose Morales" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: VLC question. > > >> Well what do ya know? Audio/audio device is the place to be if you'd like to change your sound card. This was not the case in earlier versions. I've used vlc for years. It must have been something they added under my nose. >> Thanks for the info, James and David. >> Regards, >> Rose >> >> On Mar 13, 2011, at 11:40 AM, David McLean wrote: >> >>> By the way you can redirect the output of Vlc if you go to the audio menu. Not the one in preferences but the one to the right of the playback menu. Down arrow to sound device and choose the one you want from the submenu found there. >>> On Mar 13, 2011, at 11:02 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >>> >>>> Hi: >>>> >>>> I was unable to find the option in the audio menu >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> . >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES AUSTIN" >>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >>>> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:25 AM >>>> Subject: Re: VLC question. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Jim, and Rose >>>>> >>>>> You can use VLC to play audio through your speakers or headphones and VO through the other if you like. You'll find the option in the "Audio" menu. Is this what you want? >>>>> >>>>> Rose, thank you for the info on Cog, I didn't know you could select multiple sound cards >>>>> >>>>> TC :) >>>>> James From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 13 21:40:42 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:40:42 -0700 Subject: Are my messages getting through? In-Reply-To: <880DBE35-1F4B-4572-AD48-9A4B7030B6EC@gmail.com> References: <880DBE35-1F4B-4572-AD48-9A4B7030B6EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <41F78305-0FCD-40F2-B4D9-2B850169BFE2@gmail.com> Yeah theyare coming through just fine. tAke care of ourself. On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > I'm really sorry to do this, but I'm just curious if any of you are seeing my messages come through to this list. Again, I appollogize to have to write to the whole list, but I wasn't sure what else to do. > Courtney > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 13 21:41:23 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 14:41:23 -0700 Subject: New in VO for IOS 4.3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello. instead of the 4 finger swipe there is a thing whrein you touch the top or bottom half the screen with 4 fingers. tAke care. On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: > Hi, Folks! Not sure if my last message got to the list. > > I just updated to IOS 4.3. Was wondering if there is anything new in VoiceOver in this update. Somewhere I heard that there were some different gestures. If there are new things in VoiceOver, how do I find out what they are? Thanks in advance. > > Matthew Chao > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From angeladelicata at email.it Sun Mar 13 21:36:51 2011 From: angeladelicata at email.it (Angela Delicata) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 22:36:51 +0100 Subject: Are my messages getting through? In-Reply-To: <880DBE35-1F4B-4572-AD48-9A4B7030B6EC@gmail.com> References: <880DBE35-1F4B-4572-AD48-9A4B7030B6EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006201cbe1c6$c4258ac0$4c70a040$@it> Yes, they are. Hope that helps. Angela from Italy. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Courtney Curran Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 10:34 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Are my messages getting through? Hi, I'm really sorry to do this, but I'm just curious if any of you are seeing my messages come through to this list. Again, I appollogize to have to write to the whole list, but I wasn't sure what else to do. Courtney _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sun Mar 13 22:42:33 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 19:42:33 -0300 Subject: audio MIDI setup strange business. Message-ID: <5A67EBAF1F2643C1961A85FD9C27786B@MainComputer> Ok Folks: For some strange reason, neither my internal soundcard nor my external Firewire soundcard are showing up in my audio MIDI setup app. Does anyone know what the heck is going on here? If I go in to the sound option in preferences, I can see both sound devices and I can switch between them. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks much. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From desiandcandy at q.com Sun Mar 13 22:44:15 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 15:44:15 -0700 Subject: Are my messages getting through? In-Reply-To: <880DBE35-1F4B-4572-AD48-9A4B7030B6EC@gmail.com> References: <880DBE35-1F4B-4572-AD48-9A4B7030B6EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I'm not sure about previous ones, but I sure did get this one! :) Take Care! Desi On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > I'm really sorry to do this, but I'm just curious if any of you are seeing my messages come through to this list. Again, I appollogize to have to write to the whole list, but I wasn't sure what else to do. > Courtney > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sun Mar 13 23:29:23 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:29:23 -0300 Subject: audio MIDI setup strange business. In-Reply-To: <5A67EBAF1F2643C1961A85FD9C27786B@MainComputer> References: <5A67EBAF1F2643C1961A85FD9C27786B@MainComputer> Message-ID: Hi Gang: Disregard my last message. I found the way to make my soundcards appear again. My problem with VLC, however, looks like I'll have to live with always choosing the external soundcard in each session. Very strange. Thanks. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Noseworthy" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 7:42 PM Subject: audio MIDI setup strange business. > Ok Folks: > > For some strange reason, neither my internal soundcard nor my external > Firewire soundcard are showing up in my audio MIDI setup app. > > Does anyone know what the heck is going on here? > > If I go in to the sound option in preferences, I can see both sound > devices and I can switch between them. Any help would be greatly > appreciated. > > Thanks much. > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 13 23:55:19 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 16:55:19 -0700 Subject: audio MIDI setup strange business. In-Reply-To: References: <5A67EBAF1F2643C1961A85FD9C27786B@MainComputer> Message-ID: <28A382D4-B33B-4FDF-ABD9-0608AC71A7E0@gmail.com> Hmm intersting. Ok I would suggest try cog player. it will do wht you need it to do and you can choose your output and it will stick. S On Mar 13, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hi Gang: > > Disregard my last message. I found the way to make my soundcards appear again. > > My problem with VLC, however, looks like I'll have to live with always choosing the external soundcard in each session. Very strange. > > Thanks. > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Noseworthy" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 7:42 PM > Subject: audio MIDI setup strange business. > > >> Ok Folks: >> >> For some strange reason, neither my internal soundcard nor my external Firewire soundcard are showing up in my audio MIDI setup app. >> >> Does anyone know what the heck is going on here? >> >> If I go in to the sound option in preferences, I can see both sound devices and I can switch between them. Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> Thanks much. >> >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moopiecurran at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 02:32:02 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 22:32:02 -0400 Subject: Are my messages getting through? In-Reply-To: References: <880DBE35-1F4B-4572-AD48-9A4B7030B6EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <356DC26D-2E75-4AE2-A19C-66D3DB5A565A@gmail.com> Hi, Thanks, that's good that they're getting through, just wanted to be sure though. Courtney On Mar 13, 2011, at 6:44 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi, > > I'm not sure about previous ones, but I sure did get this one! :) Take Care! > > Desi > > > > On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > >> Hi, >> I'm really sorry to do this, but I'm just curious if any of you are seeing my messages come through to this list. Again, I appollogize to have to write to the whole list, but I wasn't sure what else to do. >> Courtney >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 06:23:10 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 23:23:10 -0700 Subject: No NFC Payment System in iPhone 5, Pushed to iPhone 6? Message-ID: what does apple have in the works and will this become our new wallet? and how secure will this be? time will tell. Read on. http://bit.ly/hJ1U9L From simon at scavendish.co.uk Mon Mar 14 08:24:18 2011 From: simon at scavendish.co.uk (Simon Cavendish) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 08:24:18 +0000 Subject: Facebook and voiceover tips In-Reply-To: <845A9932-793C-4D8C-9DE0-1C2DF093A00B@gmail.com> References: <92F2DE2A-14F0-4504-BFCB-4EB7385D97BA@scavendish.co.uk> <845A9932-793C-4D8C-9DE0-1C2DF093A00B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9284655E-B7C7-4DDC-9644-E281E491553E@scavendish.co.uk> Colin M wrote: > Also some people have said to clear out as many apps and other things as you can on the main fb site, to make navigating easier! Colin, could you expand and say how you clear the applications out? Thanks, Simon > As well as that use group mode instead of dom, but that's down to what you prefer! > Colin > > I'm far too bad for Heaven! > The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! > > On 13 Mar 2011, at 17:06, Lewis Crack wrote: > >> HI Simon. >> >> Facebook is very good with VoiceOver, although I tend to use the Mobile version: m.facebook.com >> This is because it is easier to navigate around, although the main site is accessible. >> If you want to use Facebook chat to chat with people, I would recommend Adium or iChat. >> Adium is better for those users who are new to it as it announces every event and navigating windows isa lot easier. >> Hope this helps. >> Lewis. >> On 13 Mar 2011, at 15:46, Simon Cavendish wrote: >> >>> Dear Listers, >>> >>> How do you find using Facebook with Voiceover? Has anyone got any useful tips? Are there applications that would work well with Facebook? it's a huge website with lots of links and navigating it taeks for ever. >>> >>> Thanks for any information you may give me. >>> >>> Simon >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon Mar 14 09:46:51 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 09:46:51 +0000 Subject: New in VO for IOS 4.3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Apple have also got rid of that annoying bug where after typing a SMS you hit send and then VO reads almost all of the message out loud. Now VO says nothing thankfully. Shame VO thinks I need to know the time still when I receive an alert when my screen is locked though. I don't mind being told the time when I wake the phone, but do I really need to know the time when I get an SMS? It even does it when the phone is muted. Oh and there is another thing, if I have hints turned off why do I need to know the phone is muting or unmuting when I flick the switch? *sighs* On 13 Mar 2011, at 21:41, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Hello. instead of the 4 finger swipe there is a thing whrein you touch the top or bottom half the screen with 4 fingers. > > tAke care. > On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: > >> Hi, Folks! Not sure if my last message got to the list. >> >> I just updated to IOS 4.3. Was wondering if there is anything new in VoiceOver in this update. Somewhere I heard that there were some different gestures. If there are new things in VoiceOver, how do I find out what they are? Thanks in advance. >> >> Matthew Chao >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Mon Mar 14 09:52:04 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 09:52:04 -0000 Subject: New in VO for IOS 4.3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002101cbe22d$7c473c00$74d5b400$@dcu.ie> Also, if I have the phone muted, do I need to have VO speak the name of the incoming caller? No didn't think so... -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: 14 March 2011 09:47 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: New in VO for IOS 4.3? Apple have also got rid of that annoying bug where after typing a SMS you hit send and then VO reads almost all of the message out loud. Now VO says nothing thankfully. Shame VO thinks I need to know the time still when I receive an alert when my screen is locked though. I don't mind being told the time when I wake the phone, but do I really need to know the time when I get an SMS? It even does it when the phone is muted. Oh and there is another thing, if I have hints turned off why do I need to know the phone is muting or unmuting when I flick the switch? *sighs* On 13 Mar 2011, at 21:41, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Hello. instead of the 4 finger swipe there is a thing whrein you touch the top or bottom half the screen with 4 fingers. > > tAke care. > On Mar 13, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: > >> Hi, Folks! Not sure if my last message got to the list. >> >> I just updated to IOS 4.3. Was wondering if there is anything new in VoiceOver in this update. Somewhere I heard that there were some different gestures. If there are new things in VoiceOver, how do I find out what they are? Thanks in advance. >> >> Matthew Chao >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From weavermicha at googlemail.com Mon Mar 14 10:09:18 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:09:18 +0000 Subject: menu items when writing on i-phone Message-ID: <4d7de83a.487ad80a.26f0.5117@mx.google.com> when texting or emailing on the i-phone, how do you access the menu options when auto text is on ie if you have several suggestions for a word? i have tried doing a two finger swipe up or down and it just seems to want to read my message like it takes me out of the menu. i got it to say cancel autotext at one point but i have had no luck with anything else when a menu appears while texting or emailing. From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Mon Mar 14 11:22:41 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:22:41 +0000 Subject: Facebook and voiceover tips In-Reply-To: <9284655E-B7C7-4DDC-9644-E281E491553E@scavendish.co.uk> References: <92F2DE2A-14F0-4504-BFCB-4EB7385D97BA@scavendish.co.uk> <845A9932-793C-4D8C-9DE0-1C2DF093A00B@gmail.com> <9284655E-B7C7-4DDC-9644-E281E491553E@scavendish.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Simon! I've not done this myself! But if I remember right you can stop apps and things in your pref's in fb hth Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 14 Mar 2011, at 08:24, Simon Cavendish wrote: > > Colin M wrote: > >> Also some people have said to clear out as many apps and other things as you can on the main fb site, to make navigating easier! > Colin, could you expand and say how you clear the applications out? > > Thanks, Simon > >> As well as that use group mode instead of dom, but that's down to what you prefer! >> Colin >> >> I'm far too bad for Heaven! >> The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! >> >> On 13 Mar 2011, at 17:06, Lewis Crack wrote: >> >>> HI Simon. >>> >>> Facebook is very good with VoiceOver, although I tend to use the Mobile version: m.facebook.com >>> This is because it is easier to navigate around, although the main site is accessible. >>> If you want to use Facebook chat to chat with people, I would recommend Adium or iChat. >>> Adium is better for those users who are new to it as it announces every event and navigating windows isa lot easier. >>> Hope this helps. >>> Lewis. >>> On 13 Mar 2011, at 15:46, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>> >>>> Dear Listers, >>>> >>>> How do you find using Facebook with Voiceover? Has anyone got any useful tips? Are there applications that would work well with Facebook? it's a huge website with lots of links and navigating it takes for ever. >>>> >>>> Thanks for any information you may give me. >>>> >>>> Simon >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From billd at insightbb.com Mon Mar 14 12:21:19 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 08:21:19 -0400 Subject: am I the problem Message-ID: <62A766E4-3C12-48C0-A9D0-A26D5F7484E7@insightbb.com> Hello everyone, first of all, I want to thank everyone on the list for your help with both the IPhone and using the mac. my question is, I find it easier to download music from Itunes on the Iphone than on the Mac. today I tried once again to download an album on the mac on Itunes and I got a message saying Itunes could tell I was using a different computer. so I went through the information that was listed and it was correct. I then went to the button that said yes or that the information was correct and I typed inter and then i used the control option space. and nothing happened. could some one tell me what i might be doing wrong. I do have some songs in Itunes but they are the ones I downloaded on my Iphone and have transferred to my computer. Thank you in advance. Bill Deatherage From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 13:55:59 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 13:55:59 +0000 Subject: playlists in itunes Message-ID: hi all, at the moment in itunes I have all of my artests and albums within those artists. but on a review i heard on Info-Tech, a magazine produced here in the UK, the presenter had playlists of all his artests can I do that instead? From billd at insightbb.com Mon Mar 14 14:16:05 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:16:05 -0400 Subject: transferring music from I Tunes to the I Phone Message-ID: Hello, today I transferred music from a CD to Itunes. it went into the play list with all my other music. I have about 3 other albums that i have downloaded with the Iphone and put them on my Mac in I tunes. So I already have these on the I Phone. what i would like to do is transfer the music from the CD that I put on the Mac to my I phone. could some one tell me if this is possible and what i would have to do in order to do this? Thanks to everyone on the list for your help. Bill Deatherage From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon Mar 14 15:06:24 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:06:24 -0500 Subject: confused regarding my shuffle In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't have a newer shuffle, mine is the older (I think) 2nd generation shuffle, so mine doesn't talk, but I'd think that if your shuffle was going to group things, they'd have to be labeled and grouped in itunes first. And, if this is so, shouldn't it already be grouped when you load them onto the device? Hopefully someone who actually has one of the said ipods will jump in and answer for sure though. From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon Mar 14 15:08:55 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 10:08:55 -0500 Subject: not working how i expect In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are they in play lists on itunes? And if so, are you syncing those play lists? When I put things on my shuffle, I just copy to the device, but I understand this doesn't work with later generation shuffles/itunes, so again, can't be of too much help here. From sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk Mon Mar 14 15:11:31 2011 From: sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk (Sunil Peck) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:11:31 +0000 Subject: Brand new Mac user with problems connecting to wireless home network Message-ID: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BE05042D86@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Hi, I've been a Mac user since last Thursday evening. I've spent a lot of time listening to podcasts and trying to get to grips with Mac and Voiceover as quickly as I can but there's one issue I'd be grateful for some help with. During the initial set up process that you go through when you switch on the Mac for the first time, I think I keyed in the WEP key for my wireless home network wrong because although I can see my network in the network tab, I can't connect to the internet. I'm trying to get to a point where I can re-enter the correct WEP key and have been highlighting my network and doing ctrl+options+spacebar but if that is the right keystroke, I still can't see a text edit area. Please could anyone suggest where I'm going wrong and what keystrokes I need to find the relevant edit field and enter the WEP key? Cheers Sunil ________________________________ Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by guarantee (number 520866). Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. Our VAT number is 805156939. Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been addressed by the sender. This message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if you believe it was transmitted to you in error, you are required to delete the message and any copies of it, and to notify the sender immediately. Any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution, or printing of this message or accompanying files, or unauthorised use of any information contained therein, by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the views of Scope. From mike at busboom.at Mon Mar 14 15:17:50 2011 From: mike at busboom.at (Michael Busboom) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:17:50 +0100 Subject: Dragon Dictate and Multilingual Issues with Voice Over Message-ID: <89183DD7-E76B-43E6-85B5-E607C9C554B5@busboom.at> Hello everyone, I am finding it increasingly difficult to write and am giving serious consideration to voice input to ease the strain. However, before buying Dragon Dictate, I have a few questions: 1. I write in both English and German and was wondering if there was one program that handled both languages. In other words, do I need two separate installations of Dragon Dictate or will one work okay. 2. Is it possible to use the internal microphone for voice input and use headphones for the output? If not, what hardware configuration (earphone/microphone combination) works best? 3. Is it possible to somehow properly configure Voice Over and attach the BrailleNote Apex so that I could monitor text output as I spoke? 4. Does Dragon Dictate require extensive "training" and if so, can this be accomplished without sighted assistance? 5. Have I asked too many questions? :) My best to all of you and much gratitude, too! Mike From rose at chicksdigmacs.net Mon Mar 14 15:19:59 2011 From: rose at chicksdigmacs.net (Rose Morales) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:19:59 -0400 Subject: Brand new Mac user with problems connecting to wireless home network In-Reply-To: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BE05042D86@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BE05042D86@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: <63F4A703-515F-4AF6-83D4-6CF5EF026A45@chicksdigmacs.net> If you typed your wifi network's password incorrectly, your Mac should bring up a dialogue which lets you enter the right one. Are you absolutely sure you're not connected? Where are you highlighting the name of your wifi network? Rose On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Sunil Peck wrote: > Hi, > > I've been a Mac user since last Thursday evening. I've spent a lot of time listening to podcasts and trying to get to grips with Mac and Voiceover as quickly as I can but there's one issue I'd be grateful for some help with. > > During the initial set up process that you go through when you switch on the Mac for the first time, I think I keyed in the WEP key for my wireless home network wrong because although I can see my network in the network tab, I can't connect to the internet. > > I'm trying to get to a point where I can re-enter the correct WEP key and have been highlighting my network and doing ctrl+options+spacebar but if that is the right keystroke, I still can't see a text edit area. > > Please could anyone suggest where I'm going wrong and what keystrokes I need to find the relevant edit field and enter the WEP key? > > Cheers > Sunil > > > > ________________________________ > Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by > guarantee (number 520866). > Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. > Our VAT number is 805156939. > > > Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk > > This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential > and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been > addressed by the sender. 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It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome Sunil (no surname available) to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but have a keen interest. We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. 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For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk Mon Mar 14 15:29:19 2011 From: sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk (Sunil Peck) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 15:29:19 +0000 Subject: Brand new Mac user with problems connecting to wireless home network In-Reply-To: <63F4A703-515F-4AF6-83D4-6CF5EF026A45@chicksdigmacs.net> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BE05042D86@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <63F4A703-515F-4AF6-83D4-6CF5EF026A45@chicksdigmacs.net> Message-ID: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BE05042D96@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Hi Rose, I'm positive I typed it in incorrectly because I did it thinking that the first rather than the second key from the left on the number row was the '1' key. I don't remember being given the chance to type it in again, but it was very late and likely that I just escaped out of the option. So when I click on Safari now I'm told that Safari can not connect and when I type a different website I get the same message. I thought I could fix it by going to the network tab, highlighting my network in the list of available network clicking on that and typing in the right WEP key. When I highlight my network it shows up as being checked and when I do Voiceover+spacebar, I'm not seeing any edit fields. I know that this maybe because of my shortcomings as a Mac user and I might be doing the wrong keystrokes. If that is so, what keystrokes would you suggest? Thanks Sunil -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Rose Morales Sent: 14 March 2011 15:20 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Brand new Mac user with problems connecting to wireless home network If you typed your wifi network's password incorrectly, your Mac should bring up a dialogue which lets you enter the right one. Are you absolutely sure you're not connected? Where are you highlighting the name of your wifi network? Rose On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Sunil Peck wrote: > Hi, > > I've been a Mac user since last Thursday evening. I've spent a lot of time listening to podcasts and trying to get to grips with Mac and Voiceover as quickly as I can but there's one issue I'd be grateful for some help with. > > During the initial set up process that you go through when you switch on the Mac for the first time, I think I keyed in the WEP key for my wireless home network wrong because although I can see my network in the network tab, I can't connect to the internet. > > I'm trying to get to a point where I can re-enter the correct WEP key and have been highlighting my network and doing ctrl+options+spacebar but if that is the right keystroke, I still can't see a text edit area. > > Please could anyone suggest where I'm going wrong and what keystrokes I need to find the relevant edit field and enter the WEP key? > > Cheers > Sunil > > > > ________________________________ > Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by > guarantee (number 520866). > Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. > Our VAT number is 805156939. > > > Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk > > This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential and > are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been addressed > by the sender. 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Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by guarantee (number 520866). Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. Our VAT number is 805156939. Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been addressed by the sender. This message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if you believe it was transmitted to you in error, you are required to delete the message and any copies of it, and to notify the sender immediately. Any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution, or printing of this message or accompanying files, or unauthorised use of any information contained therein, by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the views of Scope. From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon Mar 14 16:07:43 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 11:07:43 -0500 Subject: MacBook Pro audio question. In-Reply-To: <73B125BC2153428F8899CEE629C888A8@MainComputer> References: <73B125BC2153428F8899CEE629C888A8@MainComputer> Message-ID: <83687D71-390D-420E-BFE6-4B69DC526AF8@softcon.com> On Mar 13, 2011, at 6:35 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hi Folks: > > Is it possible to have Voiceover use the internal soundcard while > assigning iTunes to my Firewire sound card? I don't know if this can be done natively using apple provided utilities (I don't think so) but rogue amoeba has a nice little program called audio hijack, that can do exactly what you want. I know several folks using audio hijack for all kinds of things, and I'm fairly certain this is one of the kinds of things they do with it. On the other hand, I vaguely remember someone mentioning that airtunes can do this too, so perhaps preferences in itunes can help there. From ian228 at hotmail.co.uk Mon Mar 14 19:23:06 2011 From: ian228 at hotmail.co.uk (Ian Robinson) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:23:06 +0000 Subject: Brand new Mac user with problems connecting to wireless home network In-Reply-To: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BE05042D96@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BE05042D86@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <63F4A703-515F-4AF6-83D4-6CF5EF026A45@chicksdigmacs.net> <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BE05042D96@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: Hi Sunil, I'm relatively new to the Mac as well, so others will no doubt come up with a better answer. In the mean time, try pressing Control and F8 to access the Status menu. Then press the right cursor until you hear "Airport". When connected it will announce the signal strength, such as 4 of 4 bars. Press cursor down and you should get a list of available networks. Press Enter on your preferred network and you should be asked to enter the password. The password box will probably be empty, but I tend to press delete just to be sure. Hope that is of some use. Ian On 14 Mar 2011, at 15:29, Sunil Peck wrote: > Hi Rose, > > I'm positive I typed it in incorrectly because I did it thinking that the first rather than the second key from the left on the number row was the '1' key. > > I don't remember being given the chance to type it in again, but it was very late and likely that I just escaped out of the option. > > So when I click on Safari now I'm told that Safari can not connect and when I type a different website I get the same message. > > I thought I could fix it by going to the network tab, highlighting my network in the list of available network clicking on that and typing in the right WEP key. When I highlight my network it shows up as being checked and when I do Voiceover+spacebar, I'm not seeing any edit fields. I know that this maybe because of my shortcomings as a Mac user and I might be doing the wrong keystrokes. > > If that is so, what keystrokes would you suggest? > > Thanks > Sunil > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Rose Morales > Sent: 14 March 2011 15:20 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Brand new Mac user with problems connecting to wireless home network > > If you typed your wifi network's password incorrectly, your Mac should bring up a dialogue which lets you enter the right one. Are you absolutely sure you're not connected? Where are you highlighting the name of your wifi network? > Rose > > On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Sunil Peck wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I've been a Mac user since last Thursday evening. I've spent a lot of time listening to podcasts and trying to get to grips with Mac and Voiceover as quickly as I can but there's one issue I'd be grateful for some help with. >> >> During the initial set up process that you go through when you switch on the Mac for the first time, I think I keyed in the WEP key for my wireless home network wrong because although I can see my network in the network tab, I can't connect to the internet. >> >> I'm trying to get to a point where I can re-enter the correct WEP key and have been highlighting my network and doing ctrl+options+spacebar but if that is the right keystroke, I still can't see a text edit area. >> >> Please could anyone suggest where I'm going wrong and what keystrokes I need to find the relevant edit field and enter the WEP key? >> >> Cheers >> Sunil >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by >> guarantee (number 520866). >> Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. >> Our VAT number is 805156939. >> >> >> Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk >> >> This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential and >> are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been addressed >> by the sender. 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That's the way to do it. There is no "better" way I know of, and I've been a Mac user for almost two years, smiles. Rose On Mar 14, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Ian Robinson wrote: > Hi Sunil, > > I'm relatively new to the Mac as well, so others will no doubt come up with a better answer. > > In the mean time, try pressing Control and F8 to access the Status menu. Then press the right cursor until you hear "Airport". When connected it will announce the signal strength, such as 4 of 4 bars. > > Press cursor down and you should get a list of available networks. Press Enter on your preferred network and you should be asked to enter the password. > > The password box will probably be empty, but I tend to press delete just to be sure. > > Hope that is of some use. > > Ian > > > On 14 Mar 2011, at 15:29, Sunil Peck wrote: > >> Hi Rose, >> >> I'm positive I typed it in incorrectly because I did it thinking that the first rather than the second key from the left on the number row was the '1' key. >> >> I don't remember being given the chance to type it in again, but it was very late and likely that I just escaped out of the option. >> >> So when I click on Safari now I'm told that Safari can not connect and when I type a different website I get the same message. >> >> I thought I could fix it by going to the network tab, highlighting my network in the list of available network clicking on that and typing in the right WEP key. When I highlight my network it shows up as being checked and when I do Voiceover+spacebar, I'm not seeing any edit fields. I know that this maybe because of my shortcomings as a Mac user and I might be doing the wrong keystrokes. >> >> If that is so, what keystrokes would you suggest? >> >> Thanks >> Sunil >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Rose Morales >> Sent: 14 March 2011 15:20 >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Re: Brand new Mac user with problems connecting to wireless home network >> >> If you typed your wifi network's password incorrectly, your Mac should bring up a dialogue which lets you enter the right one. Are you absolutely sure you're not connected? Where are you highlighting the name of your wifi network? >> Rose >> >> On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Sunil Peck wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I've been a Mac user since last Thursday evening. I've spent a lot of time listening to podcasts and trying to get to grips with Mac and Voiceover as quickly as I can but there's one issue I'd be grateful for some help with. >>> >>> During the initial set up process that you go through when you switch on the Mac for the first time, I think I keyed in the WEP key for my wireless home network wrong because although I can see my network in the network tab, I can't connect to the internet. >>> >>> I'm trying to get to a point where I can re-enter the correct WEP key and have been highlighting my network and doing ctrl+options+spacebar but if that is the right keystroke, I still can't see a text edit area. >>> >>> Please could anyone suggest where I'm going wrong and what keystrokes I need to find the relevant edit field and enter the WEP key? >>> >>> Cheers >>> Sunil >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by >>> guarantee (number 520866). >>> Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. >>> Our VAT number is 805156939. >>> >>> >>> Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk >>> >>> This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential and >>> are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been addressed >>> by the sender. 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Any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution, >> or printing of this message or accompanying files, or unauthorised use >> of any information contained therein, by anyone other than the >> intended recipient(s) is prohibited and may be unlawful. >> >> Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with >> it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the >> views of Scope. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From wmutch at me.com Mon Mar 14 20:34:14 2011 From: wmutch at me.com (William Mutch) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:34:14 +0000 Subject: Take control books Message-ID: <01E4F41E-1365-4684-A35B-559E929DBF91@me.com> Hi, Last week I purchased my first Take Control books from mac-access. I always thought that these books were good value when I bought several of their titles before I joined this list. Now that these books are available at a big discount they are simply too good not to read. If any of the list members have never tried them I would encourage then to try at least one. Lynne and Gordon make buying books a easy and safe process. Thanks to them and I look forward to many hours of of enjoyable and informative reading. Regards William Mutch Aberdeen From moopiecurran at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 21:27:09 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:27:09 -0400 Subject: Help building apple scripts Message-ID: <1F538D17-05D7-43CE-8E4E-325D86E789AC@gmail.com> Hi, What's the best way to go about building apple scripts to perform certain tasks on my mac? I've never done this before, so if possible, I need a step by step process on how to do this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Courtney From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Mon Mar 14 21:46:42 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:46:42 +0000 Subject: Help building apple scripts In-Reply-To: <1F538D17-05D7-43CE-8E4E-325D86E789AC@gmail.com> References: <1F538D17-05D7-43CE-8E4E-325D86E789AC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi there, Can I recommend a fantastic book available from www.apress.com which will give you literally everything you need to know to do this? the direct link is: http://www.apress.com/book/view/9781430223610 The book title is Learn Applescript The Comprehensive guide to scripting and automation on Mac OS X 3rd edition. Cheers D?nal On 14 Mar 2011, at 21:27, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > What's the best way to go about building apple scripts to perform certain tasks on my mac? I've never done this before, so if possible, I need a step by step process on how to do this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Courtney > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From moopiecurran at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 21:51:06 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 17:51:06 -0400 Subject: Help building apple scripts In-Reply-To: References: <1F538D17-05D7-43CE-8E4E-325D86E789AC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D44C360-AB3B-4DAB-A32A-D755D98B7435@gmail.com> Hi, This is great, I'll take a look at this. Thanks so much, Courtney On Mar 14, 2011, at 5:46 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi there, > > > Can I recommend a fantastic book available from www.apress.com which will give you literally everything you need to know to do this? > > the direct link is: > http://www.apress.com/book/view/9781430223610 > > The book title is Learn Applescript The Comprehensive guide to scripting and automation on Mac OS X 3rd edition. > > Cheers > > D?nal > On 14 Mar 2011, at 21:27, Courtney Curran wrote: > >> Hi, >> What's the best way to go about building apple scripts to perform certain tasks on my mac? I've never done this before, so if possible, I need a step by step process on how to do this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. >> Courtney >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Mon Mar 14 21:52:05 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:52:05 +0000 Subject: Help building apple scripts In-Reply-To: <3D44C360-AB3B-4DAB-A32A-D755D98B7435@gmail.com> References: <1F538D17-05D7-43CE-8E4E-325D86E789AC@gmail.com> <3D44C360-AB3B-4DAB-A32A-D755D98B7435@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5F572E47-ED45-4040-B1DA-B44C6DA9B2CD@computing.dcu.ie> Courtney I don't know if you are a bookshare member, but they have an applescript book there as well. Afraid the name escapes me though. On 14 Mar 2011, at 21:51, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > This is great, I'll take a look at this. > Thanks so much, > Courtney > On Mar 14, 2011, at 5:46 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> >> Can I recommend a fantastic book available from www.apress.com which will give you literally everything you need to know to do this? >> >> the direct link is: >> http://www.apress.com/book/view/9781430223610 >> >> The book title is Learn Applescript The Comprehensive guide to scripting and automation on Mac OS X 3rd edition. >> >> Cheers >> >> D?nal >> On 14 Mar 2011, at 21:27, Courtney Curran wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> What's the best way to go about building apple scripts to perform certain tasks on my mac? I've never done this before, so if possible, I need a step by step process on how to do this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. >>> Courtney >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon Mar 14 21:58:53 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:58:53 -0500 Subject: Help building apple scripts In-Reply-To: <1F538D17-05D7-43CE-8E4E-325D86E789AC@gmail.com> References: <1F538D17-05D7-43CE-8E4E-325D86E789AC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7CA34CEA-5A4E-4B32-8947-3F31CFB02087@softcon.com> Well, first, you need to learn apple scripting. This is probably best done by reading the apple script programming guide located at: http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/AppleScript/ Conceptual/AppleScriptLangGuide/introduction/ASLR_intro.html You might want to download the pdf file linked on that page, so you can have the entire guide in one place. After that, the best thing to do is just to write a few scripts, and see how they work for you. You can get the scripts I've written for public comsumption at http://www.softcon.com/mac/scripts/ And, of course there's some example scripts on your machine under applications in the applescript/examplescripts, or in automater where you can build apple scripts from predefined actions. Hope this helps. From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Mar 14 23:03:19 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 16:03:19 -0700 Subject: Help building apple scripts In-Reply-To: <3D44C360-AB3B-4DAB-A32A-D755D98B7435@gmail.com> References: <1F538D17-05D7-43CE-8E4E-325D86E789AC@gmail.com> <3D44C360-AB3B-4DAB-A32A-D755D98B7435@gmail.com> Message-ID: <38325D09-28F4-4C26-AE92-41F50E8F8A3B@gmail.com> Yeah I might take a look as well. Might need tut run punctuation on to get this to work so I can read the code that's given as I don't have a braille display. Take care all.. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 14, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > This is great, I'll take a look at this. > Thanks so much, > Courtney > On Mar 14, 2011, at 5:46 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> >> Can I recommend a fantastic book available from www.apress.com which will give you literally everything you need to know to do this? >> >> the direct link is: >> http://www.apress.com/book/view/9781430223610 >> >> The book title is Learn Applescript The Comprehensive guide to scripting and automation on Mac OS X 3rd edition. >> >> Cheers >> >> D?nal >> On 14 Mar 2011, at 21:27, Courtney Curran wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> What's the best way to go about building apple scripts to perform certain tasks on my mac? I've never done this before, so if possible, I need a step by step process on how to do this. Any help would be greatly appreciated. >>> Courtney >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Mon Mar 14 23:40:38 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:40:38 +0000 Subject: Quick nav idea! :] Message-ID: Hi all! So I quite like quick nav and was wondering if people think this might be a good idea! [or not] Using q. nav in mail [ for example] I can get to which mail box I want then interact with the messages, then just open with enter and delete with just one hand! but if I want to keep the message I must use command+w! So I was thinking to open use left, up and right arrows at the same time and to close left, down and right! This also leaves the key combinations left,up and down. And the keys up,down and right for other uses! [ suggestions anybody] These key strokes could be given other options in web mode! So is it a bad idea or not! And are people worried that it might be to tricky on the fingers! Any thoughts! :] Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 01:10:11 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2011 18:10:11 -0700 Subject: Quick nav idea! :] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9E79F357-3268-46EF-BBEA-5D001E37DF1D@gmail.com> Hmm it might be a bit tricky on the finders but I'd have to sit and give it some serious thought. Take care. On Mar 14, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Colin M wrote: > Hi all! > So I quite like quick nav and was wondering if people think this might be a good idea! [or not] > Using q. nav in mail [ for example] I can get to which mail box I want then interact with the messages, then just open with enter and delete with just one hand! > but if I want to keep the message I must use command+w! > So I was thinking to open use left, up and right arrows at the same time and to close left, down and right! > This also leaves the key combinations left,up and down. And the keys up,down and right for other uses! [ suggestions anybody] > These key strokes could be given other options in web mode! So is it a bad idea or not! > And are people worried that it might be to tricky on the fingers! > Any thoughts! :] > Colin > Qapla! > > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Tue Mar 15 09:17:40 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:17:40 +0000 Subject: something i think i've done with my settings. Message-ID: <7D191FC9-8F54-4BA3-8B12-4932686FF2B9@googlemail.com> Hi all having a problem think i might have changed something on the settings. when i click on a application such as mail it normaly takes me in to the message area and not the tool bar but instead it keeps taking me in to the tool bar. also when i try to go in to a websight it's interacting with the html content and the text together instead of just the html content wondering weather i could have done something with the settings accedently. would be grateful for any help. thanks very much Ian McNamara From djden at thejazzden.org.uk Tue Mar 15 09:24:50 2011 From: djden at thejazzden.org.uk (Dennis Freedman) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:24:50 +0000 Subject: usion - NunmPad for use in WindowEyes Message-ID: Hello I am now using the new IMac keyboard with no nunmpad. Is there a way of using this with my screen reader for numpad commands such as page up and down, etc.? I can't check NumPad in VoiceOver Commanders and wonder if this is because the keyboard doesn't have a numpad? :) I also use a Magic TrackPad and wonder if this should be turned off? (I am aware you need to turn VoiceOver off when in the VMWare window).If there isn't a way of doing this, I remember an IPhone numpad app but I now no longer have this - any help on how others are using VMWare Fusion with a screenreader (mine is Window-Eyes) with the new keyboard would be welcomed. From andre.nuno.soares at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 09:57:19 2011 From: andre.nuno.soares at gmail.com (Andre Nuno Soares) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:57:19 +0000 Subject: accessible FTP server In-Reply-To: <94D96F43-1CEE-4E41-8785-D33E1FA83E4D@softcon.com> References: <20110308150141.5D5A.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <96F55CBA-ECA3-4B7D-8CAD-D1007111A876@softcon.com> <9E8C9CA4-F7FF-467C-AF38-E1BF3CE6D708@gmail.com> <94D96F43-1CEE-4E41-8785-D33E1FA83E4D@softcon.com> Message-ID: <92D46DCE-1423-4979-A3DB-1D08C8A5E58A@gmail.com> Hello, For those who are comfortable with the Terminal and the Unix side of MacOS X, ProFTPD is very flexible and powerful: http://www.proftpd.org/ It has to be compiled, but it's a straightforward process and you don't need to know programming. HTH, Andr? On Mar 10, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > > On Mar 8, 2011, at 9:31 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: > >> I'd recommend Cyberduck or Trasmission. > These are clients, not servers. > The original question was about ftp servers, not clients. I merely mentioned clients, so that folks would know I don't use gui programs where they can be avoided (I have compiled pine for osx, though I really do like mail, so don't use pine much, but it's there if I want it. :) > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ian228 at hotmail.co.uk Tue Mar 15 10:23:14 2011 From: ian228 at hotmail.co.uk (Ian Robinson) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:23:14 +0000 Subject: Brand new Mac user with problems connecting to wireless home network In-Reply-To: References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BE05042D86@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <63F4A703-515F-4AF6-83D4-6CF5EF026A45@chicksdigmacs.net> <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BE05042D96@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: Hi rose, I was a bit unsure about sending that message in case I made things more confusing. Your reassurance was much appreciated. Best wishes. Ian On 14 Mar 2011, at 19:27, Rose Morales wrote: > Ian, > You got it. That's the way to do it. There is no "better" way I know of, and I've been a Mac user for almost two years, smiles. > Rose > > On Mar 14, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Ian Robinson wrote: > >> Hi Sunil, >> >> I'm relatively new to the Mac as well, so others will no doubt come up with a better answer. >> >> In the mean time, try pressing Control and F8 to access the Status menu. Then press the right cursor until you hear "Airport". When connected it will announce the signal strength, such as 4 of 4 bars. >> >> Press cursor down and you should get a list of available networks. Press Enter on your preferred network and you should be asked to enter the password. >> >> The password box will probably be empty, but I tend to press delete just to be sure. >> >> Hope that is of some use. >> >> Ian >> >> >> On 14 Mar 2011, at 15:29, Sunil Peck wrote: >> >>> Hi Rose, >>> >>> I'm positive I typed it in incorrectly because I did it thinking that the first rather than the second key from the left on the number row was the '1' key. >>> >>> I don't remember being given the chance to type it in again, but it was very late and likely that I just escaped out of the option. >>> >>> So when I click on Safari now I'm told that Safari can not connect and when I type a different website I get the same message. >>> >>> I thought I could fix it by going to the network tab, highlighting my network in the list of available network clicking on that and typing in the right WEP key. When I highlight my network it shows up as being checked and when I do Voiceover+spacebar, I'm not seeing any edit fields. I know that this maybe because of my shortcomings as a Mac user and I might be doing the wrong keystrokes. >>> >>> If that is so, what keystrokes would you suggest? >>> >>> Thanks >>> Sunil >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Rose Morales >>> Sent: 14 March 2011 15:20 >>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>> Subject: Re: Brand new Mac user with problems connecting to wireless home network >>> >>> If you typed your wifi network's password incorrectly, your Mac should bring up a dialogue which lets you enter the right one. Are you absolutely sure you're not connected? Where are you highlighting the name of your wifi network? >>> Rose >>> >>> On Mar 14, 2011, at 11:11 AM, Sunil Peck wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I've been a Mac user since last Thursday evening. I've spent a lot of time listening to podcasts and trying to get to grips with Mac and Voiceover as quickly as I can but there's one issue I'd be grateful for some help with. >>>> >>>> During the initial set up process that you go through when you switch on the Mac for the first time, I think I keyed in the WEP key for my wireless home network wrong because although I can see my network in the network tab, I can't connect to the internet. >>>> >>>> I'm trying to get to a point where I can re-enter the correct WEP key and have been highlighting my network and doing ctrl+options+spacebar but if that is the right keystroke, I still can't see a text edit area. >>>> >>>> Please could anyone suggest where I'm going wrong and what keystrokes I need to find the relevant edit field and enter the WEP key? >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> Sunil >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by >>>> guarantee (number 520866). >>>> Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. >>>> Our VAT number is 805156939. >>>> >>>> >>>> Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk >>>> >>>> This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential and >>>> are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been addressed >>>> by the sender. 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Any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution, >>> or printing of this message or accompanying files, or unauthorised use >>> of any information contained therein, by anyone other than the >>> intended recipient(s) is prohibited and may be unlawful. >>> >>> Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with >>> it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the >>> views of Scope. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Tue Mar 15 11:01:20 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:01:20 +0000 Subject: more info on problem Message-ID: Hi i have more info. i think the problem is that my ursers gave some how come out os sink with eachother how do i make it so there follwoing eachother again. Thanks very much. Ian McNamara From ian228 at hotmail.co.uk Tue Mar 15 11:12:10 2011 From: ian228 at hotmail.co.uk (Ian Robinson) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:12:10 +0000 Subject: more info on problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ian, Not sure if it will help, but try pressing Control, Option, shift F3. Cheers. Ian On 15 Mar 2011, at 11:01, Ian McNamara wrote: > Hi i have more info. i think the problem is that my ursers gave some how come out os sink with eachother how do i make it so there follwoing eachother again. > > Thanks very much. > > Ian McNamara > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Tue Mar 15 11:16:39 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:16:39 +0000 Subject: more info on problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59EA56EC-03B0-4E80-935B-E4AE020471F8@googlemail.com> Hi ian thanks mate that seems tohae done it. From billd at insightbb.com Tue Mar 15 11:35:01 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 07:35:01 -0400 Subject: reading FTP files with the mac Message-ID: Hello, I got a message from another list with a FTP attachment file on it. I was wondering if there is a program that you can use to read these files with the Mac? Bill Deatherage From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Tue Mar 15 12:24:09 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:24:09 +0000 Subject: more info on problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A4DE169-BC24-407E-B35B-1E14FC8E9E45@googlemail.com> HI Ian. Ahh, it may be that you need to go to VoiceOver Utility, select Navigation, then make sure that all the cursor settings are correct: 1. Keyboard should follow VoiceOver cursor. 2. Mouse should follow VoiceOver Cursor. 3. Can't remember all the others, but if you want help, call me on the phone or Skype and I'll help you mate. Cheers. Lewis. :) On 15 Mar 2011, at 11:01, Ian McNamara wrote: > Hi i have more info. i think the problem is that my ursers gave some how come out os sink with eachother how do i make it so there follwoing eachother again. > > Thanks very much. > > Ian McNamara > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Tue Mar 15 12:27:24 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:27:24 +0000 Subject: more info on problem In-Reply-To: <9A4DE169-BC24-407E-B35B-1E14FC8E9E45@googlemail.com> References: <9A4DE169-BC24-407E-B35B-1E14FC8E9E45@googlemail.com> Message-ID: Hi lewis i fixed it thanks mate. Ian McNamara From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Tue Mar 15 12:28:52 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:28:52 +0000 Subject: more info on problem In-Reply-To: References: <9A4DE169-BC24-407E-B35B-1E14FC8E9E45@googlemail.com> Message-ID: Hey Ian. What was the problem. Was it the cursors? Regards. Lew. On 15 Mar 2011, at 12:27, Ian McNamara wrote: > Hi lewis i fixed it thanks mate. > > Ian McNamara > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Tue Mar 15 12:31:13 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:31:13 +0000 Subject: more info on problem In-Reply-To: References: <9A4DE169-BC24-407E-B35B-1E14FC8E9E45@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <0BDE7BDC-61E2-4CBD-8452-A1F276967D8E@googlemail.com> yep i had to turn curser tracking back on. From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Tue Mar 15 12:40:21 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:40:21 +0000 Subject: more info on problem In-Reply-To: <0BDE7BDC-61E2-4CBD-8452-A1F276967D8E@googlemail.com> References: <9A4DE169-BC24-407E-B35B-1E14FC8E9E45@googlemail.com> <0BDE7BDC-61E2-4CBD-8452-A1F276967D8E@googlemail.com> Message-ID: Ahh I did that too. Lew. On 15 Mar 2011, at 12:31, Ian McNamara wrote: > yep i had to turn curser tracking back on. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Mar 15 14:57:48 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 09:57:48 -0500 Subject: Quick nav idea! :] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <815EB438-1851-4064-8C51-D7BDB136C8E2@softcon.com> I do this alrady, and I don't use quicknav. I just arrow up/down to the mailbox I want, then interact with messages, and when I want to read one, I press enter on it, and it opens and reads all by itself, If I want to delete it, I do so, and it reads the next one in the list. If not, I just close it, and it's back on the same message I just read. No interacting required at all except to get into the message list itself. I know others operate differently, but for me, quicknav is not useful in mail. On Mar 14, 2011, at 6:40 PM, Colin M wrote: > Hi all! > So I quite like quick nav and was wondering if people think this > might be a good idea! [or not] > Using q. nav in mail [ for example] I can get to which mail box I > want then interact with the messages, then just open with enter and > delete with just one hand! > but if I want to keep the message I must use command+w! > So I was thinking to open use left, up and right arrows at the same > time and to close left, down and right! > This also leaves the key combinations left,up and down. And the > keys up,down and right for other uses! [ suggestions anybody] > These key strokes could be given other options in web mode! So is > it a bad idea or not! > And are people worried that it might be to tricky on the fingers! > Any thoughts! :] > Colin > Qapla! > > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac- > access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted > to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > From niam.mckeown at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 15:00:36 2011 From: niam.mckeown at gmail.com (Niamh) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:00:36 -0000 Subject: Should I start with an airbook? Message-ID: <8141438BF64D488BBA3B0C01B02B3A03@Blossom> I am a new member. Have never used Apple but everybody around me is. My needs are: Emailing, internet access and writing and editing text documents. I also mainly use speech but am now need to check what I am hearing in Braille.I thought of an airbook and perhaps a I-touch as I love music and radio. Sorry to be a pain but I am afraid of making a horrible mistake. Niamh From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Mar 15 15:03:24 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:03:24 -0500 Subject: Should I start with an airbook? In-Reply-To: <8141438BF64D488BBA3B0C01B02B3A03@Blossom> References: <8141438BF64D488BBA3B0C01B02B3A03@Blossom> Message-ID: <41835AFD-B1CB-482C-B2AC-512952173404@softcon.com> I don't recomend the airbook for a new user, especially one without other macs around, since they come with no cd, and if you don't have another mac lying around, it will be difficult to share another mac's cd drive for the macbook air's purposes. This makes reinstalling the os very difficult. Stick with a macbook or if you need extra power (doesn't sound like you do) a macbook pro. You'll be better off if it's your first (and especially if it's your only) mac. From niam.mckeown at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 15:06:35 2011 From: niam.mckeown at gmail.com (Niamh) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:06:35 -0000 Subject: Should I start with an airbook? References: <8141438BF64D488BBA3B0C01B02B3A03@Blossom> <41835AFD-B1CB-482C-B2AC-512952173404@softcon.com> Message-ID: <1BA2206A310C436E852027E4830FCB62@Blossom> thank you so much. very helpful. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2011 3:03 PM Subject: Re: Should I start with an airbook? >I don't recomend the airbook for a new user, especially one without other >macs around, since they come with no cd, and if you don't have another mac >lying around, it will be difficult to share another mac's cd drive for the >macbook air's purposes. This makes reinstalling the os very difficult. >Stick with a macbook or if you need extra power (doesn't sound like you >do) a macbook pro. > You'll be better off if it's your first (and especially if it's your > only) mac. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Tue Mar 15 15:15:22 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:15:22 +0000 Subject: Quick nav idea! :] In-Reply-To: <815EB438-1851-4064-8C51-D7BDB136C8E2@softcon.com> References: <815EB438-1851-4064-8C51-D7BDB136C8E2@softcon.com> Message-ID: <0372E7C6-7B8C-46CB-AB65-CC69C0393DD9@gmail.com> Hi Travis! Thanks for your response! I'm just seeing if those q nav key strokes could be used for something! If someone could open and close a message [ although open is not needed ] the whole operation could be done with one hand! As for on the web version I'm not sure what those key strokes could be used for! Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 15 Mar 2011, at 14:57, Travis Siegel wrote: > I do this already, and I don't use quicknav. I just arrow up/down to the mailbox I want, then interact with messages, and when I want to read one, I press enter on it, and it opens and reads all by itself, If I want to delete it, I do so, and it reads the next one in the list. If not, I just close it, and it's back on the same message I just read. No interacting required at all except to get into the message list itself. > I know others operate differently, but for me, quicknav is not useful in mail. > > > On Mar 14, 2011, at 6:40 PM, Colin M wrote: > >> Hi all! >> So I quite like quick nav and was wondering if people think this might be a good idea! [or not] >> Using q. nav in mail [ for example] I can get to which mail box I want then interact with the messages, then just open with enter and delete with just one hand! >> but if I want to keep the message I must use command+w! >> So I was thinking to open use left, up and right arrows at the same time and to close left, down and right! >> This also leaves the key combinations left,up and down. And the keys up,down and right for other uses! [ suggestions anybody] >> These key strokes could be given other options in web mode! So is it a bad idea or not! >> And are people worried that it might be to tricky on the fingers! >> Any thoughts! :] >> Colin >> Qapla! >> >> Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Tue Mar 15 15:21:29 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:21:29 -0300 Subject: a spark question. Message-ID: <5E47997BD2D04F89B8ADFAC201EB905B@CNIBnotebook> Hi Folks: Can spark run in the background minimized? Thanks all over the place gang. From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Mar 15 15:21:50 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 10:21:50 -0500 Subject: reading FTP files with the mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C596D3D-DE31-4BEF-B73D-8FDA742D12FA@softcon.com> Bill, there's no such thing as an ftp attachment. If you have an attachment, just save it to your computer, and read it just like any other file. If it's an ftp link, then you can just click on the link, and safari will download the file (assuming it's an actual link to the file itself, and not the directory the file resides in) Otherwise, you'll need to use an ftp client to retrieve the file, which would be a bit more problematical if you're not used to that kind of thing. For now though, try to figure out exactly what you have, a file or a link, they're not the same thing, and that makes a difference on how it's handled. From Frank.Ventura at littlebreezes.com Tue Mar 15 15:47:06 2011 From: Frank.Ventura at littlebreezes.com (Frank Ventura) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 11:47:06 -0400 Subject: Problems in the Mac app store Message-ID: <1B5060C9951BCF428AA6443B5C0FDAAB4B2702@mail.mail.breezes.local> Hi all, I am having a problem trying to use the App Store on my Mac. What I do is go into the Finder and from the Apple menu I select App Store. When it opens I search for a program with COMMAND F. In the HTML section it will say "Buy xxx". I press VO SPACE on that and I get a dialog asking me to enter my password and verify my billing info. I enter my password and VO RIGHT ARROW to the billing info button which is the default button. I then press VO SPACE to activate that button. Instead of continuing on it just dumps me back in the HTML content focused on the "Buy xxx" link. A similar thing happens when I try to download a free app. What am I doing wrong? Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks Frank Ventura From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Mar 15 19:36:12 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:36:12 -0500 Subject: a spark question. In-Reply-To: <5E47997BD2D04F89B8ADFAC201EB905B@CNIBnotebook> References: <5E47997BD2D04F89B8ADFAC201EB905B@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <405D4331-44C5-48C1-9FF2-8212B87E26C7@softcon.com> On Mar 15, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hi Folks: > > Can spark run in the background minimized? > I'm a little confused here. If you run spark in your startup group, it already loads in the background, and it doesn't become part of your command-tab around part. (unless I'm remembering wrong, which is entirely possible) But, even if it can't, what would be the problem with it being in the task list? > Thanks all over the place gang. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac- > access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted > to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 19:48:21 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 12:48:21 -0700 Subject: accessible FTP server In-Reply-To: <92D46DCE-1423-4979-A3DB-1D08C8A5E58A@gmail.com> References: <20110308150141.5D5A.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <96F55CBA-ECA3-4B7D-8CAD-D1007111A876@softcon.com> <9E8C9CA4-F7FF-467C-AF38-E1BF3CE6D708@gmail.com> <94D96F43-1CEE-4E41-8785-D33E1FA83E4D@softcon.com> <92D46DCE-1423-4979-A3DB-1D08C8A5E58A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2B7CAD73-5C28-4FFD-A485-EABDC122087B@gmail.com> Is there an ftp server with a gui though? at least for those of us that are not comfertable wiht the terminal. On Mar 15, 2011, at 2:57 AM, Andre Nuno Soares wrote: > Hello, > > For those who are comfortable with the Terminal and the Unix side of MacOS X, ProFTPD is very flexible and powerful: > http://www.proftpd.org/ > > It has to be compiled, but it's a straightforward process and you don't need to know programming. > > > > HTH, > Andr? > > On Mar 10, 2011, at 3:12 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > >> >> On Mar 8, 2011, at 9:31 PM, Kevin Chao wrote: >> >>> I'd recommend Cyberduck or Trasmission. >> These are clients, not servers. >> The original question was about ftp servers, not clients. I merely mentioned clients, so that folks would know I don't use gui programs where they can be avoided (I have compiled pine for osx, though I really do like mail, so don't use pine much, but it's there if I want it. :) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moopiecurran at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 20:44:23 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:44:23 -0400 Subject: Voiceover resetting Message-ID: <4CDB361F-AC63-4183-BDAB-A6BCD8C8FDDD@gmail.com> Hi, Does anybody else have the problem of voiceover resetting on their mac? Mine just did, and there went all my settings, I'm just relieved I had a backup copy of my voiceover preferences. I'm just curious if this is a common problem for anybody else? Courtney From juanitatighan at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 20:46:44 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:46:44 -0400 Subject: Voiceover resetting In-Reply-To: <4CDB361F-AC63-4183-BDAB-A6BCD8C8FDDD@gmail.com> References: <4CDB361F-AC63-4183-BDAB-A6BCD8C8FDDD@gmail.com> Message-ID: I wouldn't say it's common. I had it happen once, and I never could figure out why, but yes, having the preferences fixed things nicely. Jane On Mar 15, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > Does anybody else have the problem of voiceover resetting on their mac? Mine just did, and there went all my settings, I'm just relieved I had a backup copy of my voiceover preferences. I'm just curious if this is a common problem for anybody else? > Courtney > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Mar 15 20:50:19 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:50:19 +0000 Subject: Voiceover resetting In-Reply-To: <4CDB361F-AC63-4183-BDAB-A6BCD8C8FDDD@gmail.com> References: <4CDB361F-AC63-4183-BDAB-A6BCD8C8FDDD@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes Courtney I think it's happened to everyone I know at least once. A few of us have tried to keep tabs on when/where it happens, but to no avail. :-) D?nal On 15 Mar 2011, at 20:44, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > Does anybody else have the problem of voiceover resetting on their mac? Mine just did, and there went all my settings, I'm just relieved I had a backup copy of my voiceover preferences. I'm just curious if this is a common problem for anybody else? > Courtney > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From james.london26 at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 20:47:24 2011 From: james.london26 at gmail.com (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 20:47:24 +0000 Subject: Voiceover resetting In-Reply-To: <4CDB361F-AC63-4183-BDAB-A6BCD8C8FDDD@gmail.com> References: <4CDB361F-AC63-4183-BDAB-A6BCD8C8FDDD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20B6DD28-887E-4766-8AE0-DD3FFD8BFCD5@gmail.com> Hi Courtney, Yes, it is a known bug - or at least, it is a bug. I think it has been present since 10.6.3. TC :) James On 15 Mar 2011, at 20:44, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > Does anybody else have the problem of voiceover resetting on their mac? Mine just did, and there went all my settings, I'm just relieved I had a backup copy of my voiceover preferences. I'm just curious if this is a common problem for anybody else? > Courtney > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Tue Mar 15 21:31:01 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:31:01 -0700 Subject: Possible Bug In VoiceOver? Message-ID: Hi, When I open iTunes, I am usually in my sources table in my music library, but if I quit iTunes and then open it again later in the day, I am prompted to choose a library! I find this annoying! Is it a problem with VoiceOver? My husband who is sighted, has never had this happen to him, but two other blind friends here in the Phoenix area have it happen to them frequently! Is there anything I can do to fix this? Desi From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 21:51:01 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:51:01 -0700 Subject: Possible Bug In VoiceOver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3DBEE9E1-8EF7-4070-9561-3C4FBBC972DE@gmail.com> No you are holding down the option key when yo open itunes. That will cause the choose library dialogue. Take care. On Mar 15, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi, > > When I open iTunes, I am usually in my sources table in my music library, but if I quit iTunes and then open it again later in the day, I am prompted to choose a library! I find this annoying! Is it a problem with VoiceOver? My husband who is sighted, has never had this happen to him, but two other blind friends here in the Phoenix area have it happen to them frequently! Is there anything I can do to fix this? > > Desi > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 21:51:45 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:51:45 -0700 Subject: Voiceover resetting In-Reply-To: References: <4CDB361F-AC63-4183-BDAB-A6BCD8C8FDDD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1CA88261-CFEC-4A46-A18A-BD534BE67C8F@gmail.com> I"ve had this happen and have this happen every few weeks or so. Ok sometimes every month but yeah it's starting to get annoying. On Mar 15, 2011, at 1:46 PM, Jane wrote: > I wouldn't say it's common. I had it happen once, and I never could figure out why, but yes, having the preferences fixed things nicely. > > Jane > > > On Mar 15, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > >> Hi, >> Does anybody else have the problem of voiceover resetting on their mac? Mine just did, and there went all my settings, I'm just relieved I had a backup copy of my voiceover preferences. I'm just curious if this is a common problem for anybody else? >> Courtney >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 15 21:52:17 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 14:52:17 -0700 Subject: Voiceover resetting In-Reply-To: References: <4CDB361F-AC63-4183-BDAB-A6BCD8C8FDDD@gmail.com> Message-ID: and I've emalied apple accessibility but I can't findany diagnostic reports that might have somethign to do with why it reset. On Mar 15, 2011, at 1:50 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Yes Courtney I think it's happened to everyone I know at least once. A few of us have tried to keep tabs on when/where it happens, but to no avail. :-) > > D?nal > On 15 Mar 2011, at 20:44, Courtney Curran wrote: > >> Hi, >> Does anybody else have the problem of voiceover resetting on their mac? Mine just did, and there went all my settings, I'm just relieved I had a backup copy of my voiceover preferences. I'm just curious if this is a common problem for anybody else? >> Courtney >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From anne at anarchie.org.uk Tue Mar 15 21:56:55 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:56:55 +0100 Subject: Possible Bug In VoiceOver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Desi, The reason this happens to VoiceOver users is that holding down the Option key when opening iTunes prompts iTunes to ask you to choose a library. This is there so that you can change to a different library. I always advise people to open applications from the Dock by pressing Return which avoids this problem. Cheers, Anne On 15 Mar 2011, at 22:31, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi, > > When I open iTunes, I am usually in my sources table in my music library, but if I quit iTunes and then open it again later in the day, I am prompted to choose a library! I find this annoying! Is it a problem with VoiceOver? My husband who is sighted, has never had this happen to him, but two other blind friends here in the Phoenix area have it happen to them frequently! Is there anything I can do to fix this? > > Desi > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Tue Mar 15 22:19:13 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:19:13 +0000 Subject: Possible Bug In VoiceOver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81B79397-A569-4718-84B6-B6B6D9F6E2AC@gmail.com> Hi all! I've had this happen to me when opening Itunes with the keyboard commander stroke right arrow+v but not every time! It's a pity they just don't make it a menu option in the menu bar only! Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 15 Mar 2011, at 21:56, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Desi, > > The reason this happens to VoiceOver users is that holding down the Option key when opening iTunes prompts iTunes to ask you to choose a library. This is there so that you can change to a different library. > > I always advise people to open applications from the Dock by pressing Return which avoids this problem. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 15 Mar 2011, at 22:31, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> When I open iTunes, I am usually in my sources table in my music library, but if I quit iTunes and then open it again later in the day, I am prompted to choose a library! I find this annoying! Is it a problem with VoiceOver? My husband who is sighted, has never had this happen to him, but two other blind friends here in the Phoenix area have it happen to them frequently! Is there anything I can do to fix this? >> >> Desi >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Tue Mar 15 22:21:46 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:21:46 -0700 Subject: Possible Bug In VoiceOver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Anne, Thank you so much! I'll make sure to do it that way from now on! It does seem like that should be something that should be fixed in VoiceOver though, because of course, the verbal hint is to use VO-Space to open the application. Is this information written somewhere? I ask only because I don't remember noticing it, but I would think it should be prominently available! I will readily admit that I am still very new at all this, and am still pretty overwhelmed, so it's very possible that I missed it! Again, many thanks! A Most Grateful Desi On Mar 15, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Desi, > > The reason this happens to VoiceOver users is that holding down the Option key when opening iTunes prompts iTunes to ask you to choose a library. This is there so that you can change to a different library. > > I always advise people to open applications from the Dock by pressing Return which avoids this problem. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 15 Mar 2011, at 22:31, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> When I open iTunes, I am usually in my sources table in my music library, but if I quit iTunes and then open it again later in the day, I am prompted to choose a library! I find this annoying! Is it a problem with VoiceOver? My husband who is sighted, has never had this happen to him, but two other blind friends here in the Phoenix area have it happen to them frequently! Is there anything I can do to fix this? >> >> Desi >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Mar 15 22:28:28 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:28:28 +0000 Subject: Possible Bug In VoiceOver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: hi, NO in my view it's a bug. If the option key is held down by itself, the choose library dialog should pop up. However, if it is held down in conjunction with the CTRL key, thereby giving the VO key combination, the default behaviour should happen; namely the app should open correctly. There's also a quirk of this sort with AudioHijackPro. D?nal On 15 Mar 2011, at 22:21, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Anne, > > Thank you so much! I'll make sure to do it that way from now on! It does seem like that should be something that should be fixed in VoiceOver though, because of course, the verbal hint is to use VO-Space to open the application. Is this information written somewhere? I ask only because I don't remember noticing it, but I would think it should be prominently available! I will readily admit that I am still very new at all this, and am still pretty overwhelmed, so it's very possible that I missed it! Again, many thanks! > > A Most Grateful Desi > > > On Mar 15, 2011, at 2:56 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > >> Hello Desi, >> >> The reason this happens to VoiceOver users is that holding down the Option key when opening iTunes prompts iTunes to ask you to choose a library. This is there so that you can change to a different library. >> >> I always advise people to open applications from the Dock by pressing Return which avoids this problem. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >> On 15 Mar 2011, at 22:31, Desi Noller wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> When I open iTunes, I am usually in my sources table in my music library, but if I quit iTunes and then open it again later in the day, I am prompted to choose a library! I find this annoying! Is it a problem with VoiceOver? My husband who is sighted, has never had this happen to him, but two other blind friends here in the Phoenix area have it happen to them frequently! Is there anything I can do to fix this? >>> >>> Desi >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From support at mac-access.net Tue Mar 15 22:28:34 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:28:34 +0000 Subject: New Member Welcome Message-ID: Hello everybody Please do not reply to this thread on list unless your reply has a direct relevance to their Mac use or interest. 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Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From desiandcandy at q.com Tue Mar 15 22:29:58 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 15:29:58 -0700 Subject: Possible Bug In VoiceOver? In-Reply-To: <3DBEE9E1-8EF7-4070-9561-3C4FBBC972DE@gmail.com> References: <3DBEE9E1-8EF7-4070-9561-3C4FBBC972DE@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sarah, Thanks! Yes, I was holding down the option key, because I was opening it with VO-Space. I'm still really new at the Mac, and that's what the verbal hint told me to do! LOL! Silly me! LOL! Desi On Mar 15, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > No you are holding down the option key when yo open itunes. That will cause the choose library dialogue. > > Take care. > On Mar 15, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> When I open iTunes, I am usually in my sources table in my music library, but if I quit iTunes and then open it again later in the day, I am prompted to choose a library! I find this annoying! Is it a problem with VoiceOver? My husband who is sighted, has never had this happen to him, but two other blind friends here in the Phoenix area have it happen to them frequently! Is there anything I can do to fix this? >> >> Desi >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From weavermicha at googlemail.com Tue Mar 15 22:36:39 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:36:39 +0000 Subject: i-phone and voice commands Message-ID: <4d7fe8dc.8290d80a.7b95.1215@mx.google.com> i have noticed something with voice commands on the i-phone. sometimes when you want to use the i-pod for example when you hold down home and say the name of a track for some reason it tries to dial a phone number or does something totally different from the command you give it. >every you supposed to say "play" before the name of an album, artist or track? it either doesn't appear to like my voice commands or there is a possible bug when speaking commands. i have also noticed when i have tried to verbally give the phone a number it gets it wrong and still attempts to dial. i wonder what i am doing wrong? From gordon at mac-access.net Tue Mar 15 22:44:21 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:44:21 +0000 Subject: Importing Mail, Gordon Is Brain-Dead! Message-ID: <298DEE75-7738-4BC0-996E-4B4161BB4284@mac-access.net> Hi all OK, I have two instances of OSX here and I want to import the contents of a mailbox, (preferably even the mailbox itself) into the other instance of Mail in the other instance of OSX. Question: How? It's be 6 million years since I did that particular thing, and I appear to have left my history books at home ... sorry everybody. Maybe t. Rex has eaten them, or eaten my brain. Well, that's no loss to the world in general, bnow is it! But could somebody please replemish the lack of knowledge in the replacement model please? Gordon From anne at anarchie.org.uk Tue Mar 15 22:58:27 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:58:27 +0100 Subject: Possible Bug In VoiceOver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> Hello Desi, I'm an old Mac user going back about 15 years so I do things the standard Mac way rather than the VO way. The hints drive me insane because I often disagree with them. I teach people to use Return to select menu items because, should they find themselves with no VoiceOver for some reason, there's a lot they can accomplish without speech or Braille if they know how. So I teach first letter navigation to find menu items or files or whatever, and standard Mac short cuts such as Control-F2 to open the Apple menu, Control-F3 to go to the Dock and Control-F8 to go to the Status menus. There are lots more short cuts like these which haven't changed in years. I don't know who dreamed up the idea of always using VO-Space bar to do everything but they certainly didn't ask my opinion! Rant over. Enjoy your new Mac. Cheers, Anne On 15 Mar 2011, at 23:21, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Anne, > > Thank you so much! I'll make sure to do it that way from now on! It does seem like that should be something that should be fixed in VoiceOver though, because of course, the verbal hint is to use VO-Space to open the application. Is this information written somewhere? I ask only because I don't remember noticing it, but I would think it should be prominently available! I will readily admit that I am still very new at all this, and am still pretty overwhelmed, so it's very possible that I missed it! Again, many thanks! > > A Most Grateful Desi From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Mar 15 23:01:08 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:01:08 +0000 Subject: Possible Bug In VoiceOver? In-Reply-To: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: Couldn't agree with this more. It also makes collaboration with other sighted users easier. If you're trying to give a sighted user instructions, and that user doesn't use voiceover, you can just give them the standard shortcuts to achieve the task. On 15 Mar 2011, at 22:58, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Desi, > > I'm an old Mac user going back about 15 years so I do things the standard Mac way rather than the VO way. > > The hints drive me insane because I often disagree with them. I teach people to use Return to select menu items because, should they find themselves with no VoiceOver for some reason, there's a lot they can accomplish without speech or Braille if they know how. > > So I teach first letter navigation to find menu items or files or whatever, and standard Mac short cuts such as Control-F2 to open the Apple menu, Control-F3 to go to the Dock and Control-F8 to go to the Status menus. > > There are lots more short cuts like these which haven't changed in years. I don't know who dreamed up the idea of always using VO-Space bar to do everything but they certainly didn't ask my opinion! > > Rant over. > > Enjoy your new Mac. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 15 Mar 2011, at 23:21, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Anne, >> >> Thank you so much! I'll make sure to do it that way from now on! It does seem like that should be something that should be fixed in VoiceOver though, because of course, the verbal hint is to use VO-Space to open the application. Is this information written somewhere? I ask only because I don't remember noticing it, but I would think it should be prominently available! I will readily admit that I am still very new at all this, and am still pretty overwhelmed, so it's very possible that I missed it! Again, many thanks! >> >> A Most Grateful Desi > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From desiandcandy at q.com Tue Mar 15 23:09:03 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:09:03 -0700 Subject: Possible Bug In VoiceOver? In-Reply-To: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: Hi Again Anne, I love the way you think! VoiceOver is a great program, but I also think that standard Mac shortcuts should be used whenever possible! VoiceOver commands, in my opinion, should only need to be used to make things accessible that otherwise would not be. One of the things I have found confusing about learning VoiceOver is that often when instructed to use the VO keys with arrow keys for instance, it seems that the same results can often be obtained without using the VO keys. Maybe I'll get the hang of all this some day! Even having said that, I truly am enjoying my Mac! Thanks again for your help! Desi On Mar 15, 2011, at 3:58 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Desi, > > I'm an old Mac user going back about 15 years so I do things the standard Mac way rather than the VO way. > > The hints drive me insane because I often disagree with them. I teach people to use Return to select menu items because, should they find themselves with no VoiceOver for some reason, there's a lot they can accomplish without speech or Braille if they know how. > > So I teach first letter navigation to find menu items or files or whatever, and standard Mac short cuts such as Control-F2 to open the Apple menu, Control-F3 to go to the Dock and Control-F8 to go to the Status menus. > > There are lots more short cuts like these which haven't changed in years. I don't know who dreamed up the idea of always using VO-Space bar to do everything but they certainly didn't ask my opinion! > > Rant over. > > Enjoy your new Mac. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 15 Mar 2011, at 23:21, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Anne, >> >> Thank you so much! I'll make sure to do it that way from now on! It does seem like that should be something that should be fixed in VoiceOver though, because of course, the verbal hint is to use VO-Space to open the application. Is this information written somewhere? I ask only because I don't remember noticing it, but I would think it should be prominently available! I will readily admit that I am still very new at all this, and am still pretty overwhelmed, so it's very possible that I missed it! Again, many thanks! >> >> A Most Grateful Desi > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Tue Mar 15 23:14:21 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 13:14:21 -1000 Subject: Possible Bug In VoiceOver? In-Reply-To: References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <46AC5013-EE6E-42DD-9EE9-6CC611C0B868@mac.com> Hi, I also agree with Anne on this point. I keep the hints up so I can tell what is being suggested to a new user, but the hints they suggest are often not the best way to follow -- in this case, I mean the method that is least likely to work without problems. And this bug of Control+Option being just interpreted as a press of the Option key has been around since Tiger. The actual definition of VO-Space is "perform the default action", which could be pressing a button, checking a check box, etc. depending on the context. This doesn't work well for apps that are transitioning in accessibility, where you might actually have to know how to "click", etc. The purported advantage of the system is that people first learn VoiceOver specific commands without having to learn the operating system commands. But I think it is more useful to learn Control-F2 and Control-F3 instead of VO-M and VO-D, since these work for everyone, and even independently of VoiceOver. Cheers, Esther On Mar 15, 2011, at 13:01, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Couldn't agree with this more. It also makes collaboration with other sighted users easier. If you're trying to give a sighted user instructions, and that user doesn't use voiceover, you can just give them the standard shortcuts to achieve the task. > On 15 Mar 2011, at 22:58, Anne Robertson wrote: > >> Hello Desi, >> >> I'm an old Mac user going back about 15 years so I do things the standard Mac way rather than the VO way. >> >> The hints drive me insane because I often disagree with them. I teach people to use Return to select menu items because, should they find themselves with no VoiceOver for some reason, there's a lot they can accomplish without speech or Braille if they know how. >> >> So I teach first letter navigation to find menu items or files or whatever, and standard Mac short cuts such as Control-F2 to open the Apple menu, Control-F3 to go to the Dock and Control-F8 to go to the Status menus. >> >> There are lots more short cuts like these which haven't changed in years. I don't know who dreamed up the idea of always using VO-Space bar to do everything but they certainly didn't ask my opinion! >> >> Rant over. >> >> Enjoy your new Mac. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >> On 15 Mar 2011, at 23:21, Desi Noller wrote: >> >>> Hi Anne, >>> >>> Thank you so much! I'll make sure to do it that way from now on! It does seem like that should be something that should be fixed in VoiceOver though, because of course, the verbal hint is to use VO-Space to open the application. Is this information written somewhere? I ask only because I don't remember noticing it, but I would think it should be prominently available! I will readily admit that I am still very new at all this, and am still pretty overwhelmed, so it's very possible that I missed it! Again, many thanks! >>> >>> A Most Grateful Desi >> From kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com Tue Mar 15 23:14:48 2011 From: kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com (Kawal Gucukoglu) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:14:48 +0000 Subject: Just joined this list. Message-ID: <32D4A82B-F198-4F3C-9E5A-2BB98CCD7164@sent.com> Hi. Thought I'd introduce myself and say that I've just joined this list after being on Macvisionaries for almost a year. I live in the UK and have a Mac Book pro which I purchased from the US last year. Some may know me from that list. Kawal. From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Mar 15 23:17:36 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:17:36 +0000 Subject: Possible Bug In VoiceOver? In-Reply-To: <46AC5013-EE6E-42DD-9EE9-6CC611C0B868@mac.com> References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> <46AC5013-EE6E-42DD-9EE9-6CC611C0B868@mac.com> Message-ID: <9801B183-01CB-45F4-9283-372F9C455B2B@computing.dcu.ie> Agreed Esther, *smile* I also find CTRL-f3 easier to press then the VO specific command for getting to the doc, but that could just be me. On 15 Mar 2011, at 23:14, Esther wrote: > Hi, > > I also agree with Anne on this point. I keep the hints up so I can tell what is being suggested to a new user, but the hints they suggest are often not the best way to follow -- in this case, I mean the method that is least likely to work without problems. And this bug of Control+Option being just interpreted as a press of the Option key has been around since Tiger. The actual definition of VO-Space is "perform the default action", which could be pressing a button, checking a check box, etc. depending on the context. This doesn't work well for apps that are transitioning in accessibility, where you might actually have to know how to "click", etc. > > The purported advantage of the system is that people first learn VoiceOver specific commands without having to learn the operating system commands. But I think it is more useful to learn Control-F2 and Control-F3 instead of VO-M and VO-D, since these work for everyone, and even independently of VoiceOver. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > > On Mar 15, 2011, at 13:01, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Couldn't agree with this more. It also makes collaboration with other sighted users easier. If you're trying to give a sighted user instructions, and that user doesn't use voiceover, you can just give them the standard shortcuts to achieve the task. >> On 15 Mar 2011, at 22:58, Anne Robertson wrote: >> >>> Hello Desi, >>> >>> I'm an old Mac user going back about 15 years so I do things the standard Mac way rather than the VO way. >>> >>> The hints drive me insane because I often disagree with them. I teach people to use Return to select menu items because, should they find themselves with no VoiceOver for some reason, there's a lot they can accomplish without speech or Braille if they know how. >>> >>> So I teach first letter navigation to find menu items or files or whatever, and standard Mac short cuts such as Control-F2 to open the Apple menu, Control-F3 to go to the Dock and Control-F8 to go to the Status menus. >>> >>> There are lots more short cuts like these which haven't changed in years. I don't know who dreamed up the idea of always using VO-Space bar to do everything but they certainly didn't ask my opinion! >>> >>> Rant over. >>> >>> Enjoy your new Mac. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> >>> On 15 Mar 2011, at 23:21, Desi Noller wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Anne, >>>> >>>> Thank you so much! I'll make sure to do it that way from now on! It does seem like that should be something that should be fixed in VoiceOver though, because of course, the verbal hint is to use VO-Space to open the application. Is this information written somewhere? I ask only because I don't remember noticing it, but I would think it should be prominently available! I will readily admit that I am still very new at all this, and am still pretty overwhelmed, so it's very possible that I missed it! Again, many thanks! >>>> >>>> A Most Grateful Desi >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From gordon at mac-access.net Tue Mar 15 23:31:31 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:31:31 +0000 Subject: Drop Box [re-re-re-visited] Message-ID: Hi all OK, I finally have this running on one of our Macs. But like others I can't get at it in the status bar. I'm trying to remember/find the posts which describe how some accomplished this using the trackpad but at the moment it escapes me. OK, did I imagine people having set this up, or is it real? Maybe I saw it somewhere else and it was referring to the breaking glass. Gordon From kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com Tue Mar 15 23:33:37 2011 From: kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com (Kawal Gucukoglu) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:33:37 +0000 Subject: i-phone and voice commands In-Reply-To: <4d7fe8dc.8290d80a.7b95.1215@mx.google.com> References: <4d7fe8dc.8290d80a.7b95.1215@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9CE01C56-4845-4E91-ACEB-62BE3064269A@sent.com> It does the same for me sometimes. I remember asking if it knew the date as I use to use Voice Command on my windows mobile which could do that so I wanted to see if my Iphone 4 could so it dialled a person in my contacts. I was just grateful no one picked up as it would have been embarrassing! Kawal. On 15 Mar 2011, at 22:36, michael weaver wrote: > i have noticed something with voice commands on the i-phone. > sometimes when you want to use the i-pod for example when you hold down home and say the name of a track for some reason it tries to dial a phone number or does something totally different from the command you give it. >> every you supposed to say "play" before the name of an album, > artist or track? > it either doesn't appear to like my voice commands or there is a possible bug when speaking commands. > i have also noticed when i have tried to verbally give the phone a number it gets it wrong and still attempts to dial. > i wonder what i am doing wrong? > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From anne at anarchie.org.uk Tue Mar 15 23:40:29 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:40:29 +0100 Subject: Drop Box [re-re-re-visited] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Gordon, I don't use Drop Box, but I can tell you how to get to the menus. In VoiceOver Utility, make sure you've checked the box for Speak text under mouse, and set the delay to zero. In System Preferences, make sure that you've enabled Mouse Keys. Now, go to the Status menu, Bring the mouse to the VO cursor and check it did as it was told, then turn cursor tracking off, and use FN-u to move the mouse cursor to the left. Keep the FN key held down and press U repeatedly until it speaks. It will probably just say "Button". Click this button whether with FN-I or with the trackpad, then use FN-k to move down through the menu items. Return will select the item you want. Cheers, Anne On 16 Mar 2011, at 00:31, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > OK, I finally have this running on one of our Macs. But like others I can't get at it in the status bar. I'm trying to remember/find the posts which describe how some accomplished this using the trackpad but at the moment it escapes me. OK, did I imagine people having set this up, or is it real? Maybe I saw it somewhere else and it was referring to the breaking glass. > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Tue Mar 15 23:56:56 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:56:56 +0000 Subject: Are my messages getting through? In-Reply-To: <880DBE35-1F4B-4572-AD48-9A4B7030B6EC@gmail.com> References: <880DBE35-1F4B-4572-AD48-9A4B7030B6EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes, you're loud and clear. I maybe should have mentioned that I am having to do some tweaks to the server to fix a corrupt LDAP database. But I hope I have a handle on it now. Certainly since I "tweaked, fixed, tinkered, hit it with a sledge-hammer, swore at it, kicked it, threw it through the greenhouse roof" well, you get the picture, things seem more responsive. Sorry if I caused you any confusion/inconvenience. But the fix was necessary. Gordon On 13 Mar 2011, at 21:34, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, I'm really sorry to do this, but I'm just curious if any of you are seeing my messages come through to this list. Again, I appollogize to have to write to the whole list, but I wasn't sure what else to do. From gordon at mac-access.net Wed Mar 16 00:06:45 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:06:45 +0000 Subject: Take control books In-Reply-To: <01E4F41E-1365-4684-A35B-559E929DBF91@me.com> References: <01E4F41E-1365-4684-A35B-559E929DBF91@me.com> Message-ID: Hello William On 14 Mar 2011, at 20:34, William Mutch wrote: We are glad you found the process to your liking. We also encourage others to make the most of a good thing; it may not last forever. On yes, and let's not forget the part Travis has played in this. Gordon Hi, Last week I purchased my first Take Control books from mac-access. I always thought that these books were good value when I bought several of their titles before I joined this list. Now that these books are available at a big discount they are simply too good not to read. If any of the list members have never tried them I would encourage then to try at least one. Lynne and Gordon make buying books a easy and safe process. Thanks to them and I look forward to many hours of of enjoyable and informative reading. Regards William Mutch Aberdeen _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 00:37:05 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:37:05 -0700 Subject: Drop Box [re-re-re-visited] In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <533988D4-2687-43E6-84DC-5BF4F7BE1335@gmail.com> ther'e san easier way. just hit vo m twice and if you haave mouse delay set to 0 go to the right hand edge of the mouse pad and run yoru finger along the thing untul you hear dropbox. Good luck. On Mar 15, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Gordon, > > I don't use Drop Box, but I can tell you how to get to the menus. > > In VoiceOver Utility, make sure you've checked the box for Speak text under mouse, and set the delay to zero. > > In System Preferences, make sure that you've enabled Mouse Keys. > > Now, go to the Status menu, Bring the mouse to the VO cursor and check it did as it was told, then turn cursor tracking off, and use FN-u to move the mouse cursor to the left. Keep the FN key held down and press U repeatedly until it speaks. It will probably just say "Button". Click this button whether with FN-I or with the trackpad, then use FN-k to move down through the menu items. Return will select the item you want. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 16 Mar 2011, at 00:31, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> OK, I finally have this running on one of our Macs. But like others I can't get at it in the status bar. I'm trying to remember/find the posts which describe how some accomplished this using the trackpad but at the moment it escapes me. OK, did I imagine people having set this up, or is it real? Maybe I saw it somewhere else and it was referring to the breaking glass. >> >> Gordon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 00:38:08 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 17:38:08 -0700 Subject: Possible Bug In VoiceOver? In-Reply-To: References: <3DBEE9E1-8EF7-4070-9561-3C4FBBC972DE@gmail.com> Message-ID: but ou need to let up on the keys once you hit the command like a mili second after you hit th ecomman d. On Mar 15, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Sarah, > > Thanks! Yes, I was holding down the option key, because I was opening it with VO-Space. I'm still really new at the Mac, and that's what the verbal hint told me to do! LOL! Silly me! LOL! > > Desi > > > > On Mar 15, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> No you are holding down the option key when yo open itunes. That will cause the choose library dialogue. >> >> Take care. >> On Mar 15, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Desi Noller wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> When I open iTunes, I am usually in my sources table in my music library, but if I quit iTunes and then open it again later in the day, I am prompted to choose a library! I find this annoying! Is it a problem with VoiceOver? My husband who is sighted, has never had this happen to him, but two other blind friends here in the Phoenix area have it happen to them frequently! Is there anything I can do to fix this? >>> >>> Desi >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Wed Mar 16 00:41:15 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:41:15 +0000 Subject: Thanks to John Gunn Message-ID: <5357333A-95B4-4F11-8208-C586170A6732@mac-access.net> Hi Just a quick note of thanks to John Gunn. I forgot, John, until Lynne reminded me that you sent us an earlier version of the Drop Box application. This version is totally accessible, and it got me off the edge of a very steep cliff. Thanks, John. Gordon From desiandcandy at q.com Wed Mar 16 01:29:07 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:29:07 -0700 Subject: Possible Bug In VoiceOver? In-Reply-To: References: <3DBEE9E1-8EF7-4070-9561-3C4FBBC972DE@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sarah, Thanks! I'm just opening it with enter, and that's working great! On Mar 15, 2011, at 5:38 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > but ou need to let up on the keys once you hit the command like a mili second after you hit th ecomman d. > On Mar 15, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Sarah, >> >> Thanks! Yes, I was holding down the option key, because I was opening it with VO-Space. I'm still really new at the Mac, and that's what the verbal hint told me to do! LOL! Silly me! LOL! >> >> Desi >> >> >> >> On Mar 15, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> No you are holding down the option key when yo open itunes. That will cause the choose library dialogue. >>> >>> Take care. >>> On Mar 15, 2011, at 2:31 PM, Desi Noller wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> When I open iTunes, I am usually in my sources table in my music library, but if I quit iTunes and then open it again later in the day, I am prompted to choose a library! I find this annoying! Is it a problem with VoiceOver? My husband who is sighted, has never had this happen to him, but two other blind friends here in the Phoenix area have it happen to them frequently! Is there anything I can do to fix this? >>>> >>>> Desi >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gunn at tznet.com Wed Mar 16 02:22:10 2011 From: gunn at tznet.com (John Gunn) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:22:10 -0500 Subject: Thanks to John Gunn In-Reply-To: <5357333A-95B4-4F11-8208-C586170A6732@mac-access.net> References: <5357333A-95B4-4F11-8208-C586170A6732@mac-access.net> Message-ID: No problem Gordon, glad I saved you from jumping. smile On Mar 15, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi > > Just a quick note of thanks to John Gunn. I forgot, John, until Lynne reminded me that you sent us an earlier version of the Drop Box application. This version is totally accessible, and it got me off the edge of a very steep cliff. > > Thanks, John. > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From gunn at tznet.com Wed Mar 16 02:24:18 2011 From: gunn at tznet.com (John Gunn) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 21:24:18 -0500 Subject: Importing Mail, Gordon Is Brain-Dead! In-Reply-To: <298DEE75-7738-4BC0-996E-4B4161BB4284@mac-access.net> References: <298DEE75-7738-4BC0-996E-4B4161BB4284@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <95C1C5F8-5B75-4900-94F0-832E7A63DA9B@tznet.com> Gordon, While in mail, under file VO space on import. Navigate to home, library, mail and I think you should be able to choose the desired mailbox. Hope this works and don't jump if it doesn't. huge smile. On Mar 15, 2011, at 5:44 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > OK, I have two instances of OSX here and I want to import the contents of a mailbox, (preferably even the mailbox itself) into the other instance of Mail in the other instance of OSX. > > Question: How? It's be 6 million years since I did that particular thing, and I appear to have left my history books at home ... sorry everybody. Maybe t. Rex has eaten them, or eaten my brain. Well, that's no loss to the world in general, bnow is it! But could somebody please replemish the lack of knowledge in the replacement model please? > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From moriond at mac.com Wed Mar 16 02:26:52 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 16:26:52 -1000 Subject: Thanks to John Gunn In-Reply-To: References: <5357333A-95B4-4F11-8208-C586170A6732@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <19D326BC-2A54-42EB-BDB9-9520B4540DF4@mac.com> Hi, Just curious: which version of Dropbox was this? I offered to send a really old version (the dmg for version 0.6.402 from January 2009). Also, I just haven't bothered to update my current Dropbox version. By "totally accessible" do you mean that you can get to the Status menu bar icon? Cheers, Esther On Mar 15, 2011, at 16:22, John Gunn wrote: > No problem Gordon, glad I saved you from jumping. smile > > > On Mar 15, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Just a quick note of thanks to John Gunn. I forgot, John, until Lynne reminded me that you sent us an earlier version of the Drop Box application. This version is totally accessible, and it got me off the edge of a very steep cliff. >> >> Thanks, John. >> >> Gordon >> From gunn at tznet.com Wed Mar 16 03:23:34 2011 From: gunn at tznet.com (John Gunn) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 22:23:34 -0500 Subject: Thanks to John Gunn In-Reply-To: <19D326BC-2A54-42EB-BDB9-9520B4540DF4@mac.com> References: <5357333A-95B4-4F11-8208-C586170A6732@mac-access.net> <19D326BC-2A54-42EB-BDB9-9520B4540DF4@mac.com> Message-ID: <76AC9294-DB69-424A-AC6D-6D9395D63BE9@tznet.com> The version I sent Gordon was from Feb of 2010. Since I don't have a trackpad I can't test out the menu bar. As far as I know by using the keyboard I can't see it in the menu bar. The reason I sent Gordon the that version was for the purpose of setting it up meaning email address and password ETC. I hope that is what you were looking for. Take care, John Esther: On Mar 15, 2011, at 9:26 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi, > > Just curious: which version of Dropbox was this? I offered to send a really old version (the dmg for version 0.6.402 from January 2009). Also, I just haven't bothered to update my current Dropbox version. By "totally accessible" do you mean that you can get to the Status menu bar icon? > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Mar 15, 2011, at 16:22, John Gunn wrote: > >> No problem Gordon, glad I saved you from jumping. smile >> >> >> On Mar 15, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> Just a quick note of thanks to John Gunn. I forgot, John, until Lynne reminded me that you sent us an earlier version of the Drop Box application. This version is totally accessible, and it got me off the edge of a very steep cliff. >>> >>> Thanks, John. >>> >>> Gordon >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 06:18:14 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:18:14 -0700 Subject: start up disk full again Message-ID: <509B047C-0CF1-464F-A401-8300875B9E1F@gmail.com> Ok once again I have a full start up disk. If I clear at least half of that my mail and finder are still as slow as ever in rendering tables and stuff in the message list views and in list mode in finder. How can I make things faster with out reinstalling? I don't want to go that rout. Not again. I have too much to focus on this week with mid terms coming up. Thanks. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From james.london26 at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 06:24:07 2011 From: james.london26 at gmail.com (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 06:24:07 +0000 Subject: start up disk full again In-Reply-To: <509B047C-0CF1-464F-A401-8300875B9E1F@gmail.com> References: <509B047C-0CF1-464F-A401-8300875B9E1F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7AFB3985-B0B5-4DD1-911C-325AF32050AD@gmail.com> Can you syphon off Somme data to an external HD? On 16 Mar 2011, at 06:18, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Ok once again I have a full start up disk. If I clear at least half of that my mail and finder are still as slow as ever in rendering tables and stuff in the message list views and in list mode in finder. How can I make things faster with out reinstalling? I don't want to go that rout. Not again. I have too much to focus on this week with mid terms coming up. Thanks. > > > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 06:35:02 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2011 23:35:02 -0700 Subject: start up disk full again In-Reply-To: <7AFB3985-B0B5-4DD1-911C-325AF32050AD@gmail.com> References: <509B047C-0CF1-464F-A401-8300875B9E1F@gmail.com> <7AFB3985-B0B5-4DD1-911C-325AF32050AD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52D62BD2-46B9-4A2A-86EF-4DBB9D3CCF5F@gmail.com> I plan on doing just that with in the next few hours, if I'm still up lol! but whenI had this problem before and it was about 80 or 90 gig the tratted thing was still slow. I tried repairing permitions and a disk repair but to no avail. it would work for afew minutes and then slow way down again. I know some other people have this problem so wonder what's going on. On Mar 15, 2011, at 11:24 PM, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > Can you syphon off Somme data to an external HD? > On 16 Mar 2011, at 06:18, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Ok once again I have a full start up disk. If I clear at least half of that my mail and finder are still as slow as ever in rendering tables and stuff in the message list views and in list mode in finder. How can I make things faster with out reinstalling? I don't want to go that rout. Not again. I have too much to focus on this week with mid terms coming up. Thanks. >> >> >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From w9fyi at mac-access.net Wed Mar 16 07:19:58 2011 From: w9fyi at mac-access.net (Justin Mann) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:19:58 -0700 Subject: making good use of a time capsule? Message-ID: <20B9F26D-8DF7-47B6-AD60-5C1165661F32@mac-access.net> Hi all, I've just purchased a time capsule, and I have to say it was the most no fuss no muss network installation I've *ever* done. So now the question is since this is basically an airport router with a hard drive built-in what good stuff can you do with it besides backing up your computer with time machine? Can you backup a PC on to the unit as well if you chose? Thanks From w9fyi at mac-access.net Wed Mar 16 07:29:54 2011 From: w9fyi at mac-access.net (Justin Mann) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 00:29:54 -0700 Subject: taking college courses with the mac online or otherwise? Message-ID: <4160B5F9-0314-41C6-8555-9755CEBF014A@mac-access.net> Hi all, I am looking at the prospect of going back to school either online or via ground as we call it so I've been doing some research with the various disabled student service's departments of universities in my area and can't seem to get a straight answer. At this point, are there any accessibility issues with using things like blackboard and/or other course delivery systems on the mac? Is performing formatting functions for say a research paper doable in iWork without an issue? Right now, I'm being told that if I don't use jaws, I will have no ability to make this work since Jaws is the most technologically advance screen-reader for what it is? *lol* Forgive me if this sounds rambling but I just want to make sure that I've not missed anything. Justin From james.london26 at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 07:46:01 2011 From: james.london26 at gmail.com (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:46:01 +0000 Subject: taking college courses with the mac online or otherwise? In-Reply-To: <4160B5F9-0314-41C6-8555-9755CEBF014A@mac-access.net> References: <4160B5F9-0314-41C6-8555-9755CEBF014A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <47E7931A-93E6-46D1-96D5-97182579EA20@gmail.com> Hi Justin, On 16 Mar 2011, at 07:29, Justin Mann wrote: > Right now, I'm being told that if I don't use jaws, I will have no ability to make this work since Jaws is the most technologically advance screen-reader for what it is? *lol* Forgive me if this sounds rambling but I just want to make sure that I've not missed anything. This is in my humble opinion, nothing more than total rubbish and ignorance. When I was at University, I completed my second and third years sole with a Mac. At that time, Blackboard was certainly accessible, but a little tricky to get my head around to begin with. Unfortunately, IWork was not accessible at that point, so I was using LaTeX, which is fantastic and can be made to do anything, but has a very steep learning curve. Since then, Pages has come a very long way, and I use it for all of my writing now. Don't get me wrong, there are still things that Apple need to do regarding VO accessibility, but Pages is excellent. Similarly, LaTeX is still wonderful, but I no longer have a need for it. Please feel free to get in touch off-list if I can help any further, either by explaining how I accomplished certain tasks or helping with either Pages or LaTeX etc. TC :) James You can contact me in the following ways: EMAIL: james.london26 at gmail.com SKYPE: saulky1984 TWITTER: http://www.twitter.com/lnt2008 > Hi all, > I am looking at the prospect of going back to school either online or via ground as we call it so I've been doing some research with the various disabled student service's departments of universities in my area and can't seem to get a straight answer. At this point, are there any accessibility issues with using things like blackboard and/or other course delivery systems on the mac? Is performing formatting functions for say a research paper doable in iWork without an issue? > Right now, I'm being told that if I don't use jaws, I will have no ability to make this work since Jaws is the most technologically advance screen-reader for what it is? *lol* Forgive me if this sounds rambling but I just want to make sure that I've not missed anything. > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From billd at insightbb.com Wed Mar 16 11:49:05 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 07:49:05 -0400 Subject: reading FTP files with the mac In-Reply-To: <7C596D3D-DE31-4BEF-B73D-8FDA742D12FA@softcon.com> References: <7C596D3D-DE31-4BEF-B73D-8FDA742D12FA@softcon.com> Message-ID: Thanks Travis. I will look closer to see what the file is. Bill Deatherage From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Wed Mar 16 13:02:40 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:02:40 -0300 Subject: AppleScript question Message-ID: <9437575C2F8A4AF0A7E933070013DA34@CNIBnotebook> Hi Folks: Where can I obtain a good e-text version of a manual for understanding and creating Apple Scripts? Thanks all over the place gang. From gordon at mac-access.net Wed Mar 16 13:15:36 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:15:36 +0000 Subject: Preview Pane Won't Switch Off In Mail Message-ID: <8CFBDFF8-95F9-4C16-9760-2754AF71BA49@mac-access.net> Hi all I've trying everything I can think of, clicking the mouse on the splitter, dragging the splitter down to minimal size, everything. But the preview pane in Mail simply refuses to turn off for some reason. I did this before and I'm sure it was just by double-clicking. But now it won't work. Any tips? Gordon From billd at insightbb.com Wed Mar 16 13:18:36 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 09:18:36 -0400 Subject: Just joined this list. In-Reply-To: <32D4A82B-F198-4F3C-9E5A-2BB98CCD7164@sent.com> References: <32D4A82B-F198-4F3C-9E5A-2BB98CCD7164@sent.com> Message-ID: Hello, Welcome to the list. I got a used I Mac in december. I have been so impressed that I now have the I Phone. it is an I Phone 3 gs. since the 4 is now out I got the 3 GS at a good price. again it is good to have new members on the list and I think you will find many people on the list who have a lot of knowledge. I don't know what i would have done with out there help. Bill Deatherage From gordon at mac-access.net Wed Mar 16 13:37:54 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:37:54 +0000 Subject: Thanks to John Gunn In-Reply-To: <19D326BC-2A54-42EB-BDB9-9520B4540DF4@mac.com> References: <5357333A-95B4-4F11-8208-C586170A6732@mac-access.net> <19D326BC-2A54-42EB-BDB9-9520B4540DF4@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Esther I'm really sorry I didn't get back to you. Things here are mental at the moment and I haven't responded to nearly as much as I should have lately. The version number is 0.7.110. Gordon On 16 Mar 2011, at 02:26, Esther wrote: Hi, Just curious: which version of Dropbox was this? I offered to send a really old version (the dmg for version 0.6.402 from January 2009). Also, I just haven't bothered to update my current Dropbox version. By "totally accessible" do you mean that you can get to the Status menu bar icon? Cheers, Esther On Mar 15, 2011, at 16:22, John Gunn wrote: > No problem Gordon, glad I saved you from jumping. smile > > > On Mar 15, 2011, at 7:41 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi >> >> Just a quick note of thanks to John Gunn. I forgot, John, until Lynne reminded me that you sent us an earlier version of the Drop Box application. This version is totally accessible, and it got me off the edge of a very steep cliff. >> >> Thanks, John. >> >> Gordon >> _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Wed Mar 16 13:42:58 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:42:58 +0000 Subject: making good use of a time capsule? In-Reply-To: <20B9F26D-8DF7-47B6-AD60-5C1165661F32@mac-access.net> References: <20B9F26D-8DF7-47B6-AD60-5C1165661F32@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <22CE7E52-2AFB-4988-830A-D84AF01AAF72@mac-access.net> You can anything with the TC that you like. It works as a normal hard drive, or as a backup. The problems are when you come to use anything other than a NAT network, the TC is probably the most inflexible and rigid network device i have ever encountered. The only way I could get it to work in that environment was to "bridge" the Time Capsule and incorporate it into a more professional network as a bridged client. You still get most of its functionality in that configuration so it effectively acts as a hub and nothing else. But if you're happy with a NAYT network the TC is probably ideal. Gordon On 16 Mar 2011, at 07:19, Justin Mann wrote: Hi all, I've just purchased a time capsule, and I have to say it was the most no fuss no muss network installation I've *ever* done. So now the question is since this is basically an airport router with a hard drive built-in what good stuff can you do with it besides backing up your computer with time machine? Can you backup a PC on to the unit as well if you chose? Thanks _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 14:16:46 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:16:46 +0000 Subject: recording iphone output Message-ID: <98407172-6C46-4A5A-A6CF-BFB353E28440@gmail.com> hi all how can i record the output of my mike and iphone on a mac? I assume I can use the lineout feature and record my mike, and lineout in something like audio highjack to accomplish this rather than just holding my phone to the microphone? From va3ets2000 at me.com Wed Mar 16 15:27:27 2011 From: va3ets2000 at me.com (Dan Eickmeier) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 11:27:27 -0400 Subject: Problems with launching iCal? Message-ID: <1F83BE61-C9EA-4FE0-AA4C-5B7A4E173C00@me.com> Hi all, over the last little while, I've had issues with launching iCal. WHen I open it, VO will say iCal has no windows, rather than bring up the iCal main window. Finally was able to figure out, after trying numerous things, that rebuilding the launch services database with ONyx, solved my problem, or at least I thought it had. iCal would launch fine at first. When done entering what I wanted into my calendars, I'd closed the app. When I go back to it later, like say a day or so later, it won't launch, and I find I have to go into Onyx and do another rebuild of the launch services database. This is a weird issue, and I'm not sure what I can do next to solve it. I'm thinking it could be a bad sector on my internal hD maybe? In order to check for that, what about running an app like Disk Warrior? Would that check for bad, unreadable sectors? Nad exactly how accessible is disk warrior? From gordon at mac-access.net Wed Mar 16 17:00:21 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:00:21 +0000 Subject: Creating URLs to files in your Public Drop Box folder Message-ID: Hi all OK, having finally got this set up, how do you create a link to a file in the public folder of your drop box? I tried going to the Finder, interacting with the name of the file then bringing up the context menu from within the Finder; but there is no Drop Box item there. Gordon From gunn at tznet.com Wed Mar 16 17:26:40 2011 From: gunn at tznet.com (gunn at tznet.com) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:26:40 -0400 Subject: Creating URLs to files in your Public Drop Box folder Message-ID: <380-220113316172640731@M2W137.mail2web.com> Gordon: Locate your DropBox folder by default in your home folder. There's a folder named public and this is where you need to place the file. Once complet meaning the file is in the desired place, VO-shift-m, VO down untill you hear DropBox then VO right and in the submenu, you'll hear copy link or something like that. This will copy the link to your clipboard and then in an email message do command-v which will place the link in the email. Take care, John Original Message: ----------------- From: Gordon Smith gordon at mac-access.net Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:00:21 +0000 To: mac-access at mac-access.net Subject: Creating URLs to files in your Public Drop Box folder Hi all OK, having finally got this set up, how do you create a link to a file in the public folder of your drop box? I tried going to the Finder, interacting with the name of the file then bringing up the context menu from within the Finder; but there is no Drop Box item there. Gordon _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From gordon at mac-access.net Wed Mar 16 17:30:48 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:30:48 +0000 Subject: Still no luck with Drop BBox Message-ID: <0D089897-512E-42CF-B24E-87FEC4470CED@mac-access.net> Probably a stupid question but here goes. Using Sarah's suggestion of trying to use the trackpad to get to the dropbox icon in the status bar, do you have to have trackpad commander turned on? I'm not even seeing the icon when I press Control+F8 (same as VO+M twice), and bring up the status bar. If I slide my finger to the top right corner of the trackpad I seem to be taken out of the status bar. It's darn frustrating because obviously Lynne is able to land strait on the app. I know this isn't something you have to do very often and, in theory, once it's set up it's set up. But there are one or two things you need to use the app for. For instance I need to send an email link to a file in our public Drop Box folder but I cannot figure out how the hell you do it. So I think it must be in the application itself. Gordon From jekis at fastmail.us Wed Mar 16 17:57:00 2011 From: jekis at fastmail.us (Justin Ekis) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:57:00 -0700 Subject: Still no luck with Drop BBox In-Reply-To: <0D089897-512E-42CF-B24E-87FEC4470CED@mac-access.net> References: <0D089897-512E-42CF-B24E-87FEC4470CED@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Gordon, The option to copy a link is not in the dropbox application. It's in the context menu that you get by pressing VO Shift M on the file. I don't remember if the option is in a dropbox submenu or in the main context menu itself, but it's there and easy to find. If you do wish to access the dropbox menu item to change the preferences, after you press ctrl f8 you press vo command f5 to move the mouse to the VO cursor before working with the trackpad. You do not want the trackpad commander turned on at this point. Hope this helps. Justin On Mar 16, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: Probably a stupid question but here goes. Using Sarah's suggestion of trying to use the trackpad to get to the dropbox icon in the status bar, do you have to have trackpad commander turned on? I'm not even seeing the icon when I press Control+F8 (same as VO+M twice), and bring up the status bar. If I slide my finger to the top right corner of the trackpad I seem to be taken out of the status bar. It's darn frustrating because obviously Lynne is able to land strait on the app. I know this isn't something you have to do very often and, in theory, once it's set up it's set up. But there are one or two things you need to use the app for. For instance I need to send an email link to a file in our public Drop Box folder but I cannot figure out how the hell you do it. So I think it must be in the application itself. Gordon _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From anne at anarchie.org.uk Wed Mar 16 18:21:35 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:21:35 +0100 Subject: Still no luck with Drop BBox In-Reply-To: <0D089897-512E-42CF-B24E-87FEC4470CED@mac-access.net> References: <0D089897-512E-42CF-B24E-87FEC4470CED@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Gordon, Since you're having so much trouble with the trackpad, have you tried my method with Mouse Keys? I gave all the necessary steps to do what you're trying to do. Cheers, Anne On 16 Mar 2011, at 18:30, Gordon Smith wrote: > Probably a stupid question but here goes. > > Using Sarah's suggestion of trying to use the trackpad to get to the dropbox icon in the status bar, do you have to have trackpad commander turned on? I'm not even seeing the icon when I press Control+F8 (same as VO+M twice), and bring up the status bar. If I slide my finger to the top right corner of the trackpad I seem to be taken out of the status bar. It's darn frustrating because obviously Lynne is able to land strait on the app. I know this isn't something you have to do very often and, in theory, once it's set up it's set up. But there are one or two things you need to use the app for. > > For instance I need to send an email link to a file in our public Drop Box folder but I cannot figure out how the hell you do it. So I think it must be in the application itself. > > Gordon From gordon at mac-access.net Wed Mar 16 18:26:29 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:26:29 +0000 Subject: Creating URLs to files in your Public Drop Box folder In-Reply-To: <380-220113316172640731@M2W137.mail2web.com> References: <380-220113316172640731@M2W137.mail2web.com> Message-ID: Hi John Apparently the newer version of Drop Box was running somehow, which is why I wasn't seeing the drop box context menu. I have zapped it from the machine and replaced it with the one you sent. It's now very obvious how you create the links. Thanks. On 16 Mar 2011, at 17:26, gunn at tznet.com wrote: Gordon: Locate your DropBox folder by default in your home folder. There's a folder named public and this is where you need to place the file. Once complet meaning the file is in the desired place, VO-shift-m, VO down untill you hear DropBox then VO right and in the submenu, you'll hear copy link or something like that. This will copy the link to your clipboard and then in an email message do command-v which will place the link in the email. Take care, John Original Message: ----------------- From: Gordon Smith gordon at mac-access.net Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:00:21 +0000 To: mac-access at mac-access.net Subject: Creating URLs to files in your Public Drop Box folder Hi all OK, having finally got this set up, how do you create a link to a file in the public folder of your drop box? I tried going to the Finder, interacting with the name of the file then bringing up the context menu from within the Finder; but there is no Drop Box item there. Gordon _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Wed Mar 16 18:53:36 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:53:36 +0000 Subject: Still no luck with Drop BBox In-Reply-To: References: <0D089897-512E-42CF-B24E-87FEC4470CED@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Justin With the newest version of Drop Box application, I've tried and tried for ages but VoiceOver simply will not verbalise the Drop Box icons at all. So with reluctance, I've had to give up on the latest version and go back to the one John kindly sent us. What I did find concerning was that transfers don't seem to be SSL encrypted which I had been under the impression that they were. All in all, I'm not sure that Drop Box really does represent value for money to us and, at the end of the next billing period I am not sure we will renew. On 16 Mar 2011, at 17:57, Justin Ekis wrote: Hi Gordon, The option to copy a link is not in the dropbox application. It's in the context menu that you get by pressing VO Shift M on the file. I don't remember if the option is in a dropbox submenu or in the main context menu itself, but it's there and easy to find. If you do wish to access the dropbox menu item to change the preferences, after you press ctrl f8 you press vo command f5 to move the mouse to the VO cursor before working with the trackpad. You do not want the trackpad commander turned on at this point. Hope this helps. Justin On Mar 16, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: Probably a stupid question but here goes. Using Sarah's suggestion of trying to use the trackpad to get to the dropbox icon in the status bar, do you have to have trackpad commander turned on? I'm not even seeing the icon when I press Control+F8 (same as VO+M twice), and bring up the status bar. If I slide my finger to the top right corner of the trackpad I seem to be taken out of the status bar. It's darn frustrating because obviously Lynne is able to land strait on the app. I know this isn't something you have to do very often and, in theory, once it's set up it's set up. But there are one or two things you need to use the app for. For instance I need to send an email link to a file in our public Drop Box folder but I cannot figure out how the hell you do it. So I think it must be in the application itself. Gordon _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Wed Mar 16 18:55:41 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:55:41 +0000 Subject: Still no luck with Drop BBox In-Reply-To: References: <0D089897-512E-42CF-B24E-87FEC4470CED@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0110F05A-5928-4693-9BBE-3C61328ADEEA@mac-access.net> Hi Anne yes, I did try that. I have to confess though it seems like an awful messy process for such a little bit of access. So I gave up on it. Actually I'll be writing to you privately in a moment about a different though related issue. Gordon On 16 Mar 2011, at 18:21, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Gordon, Since you're having so much trouble with the trackpad, have you tried my method with Mouse Keys? I gave all the necessary steps to do what you're trying to do. Cheers, Anne On 16 Mar 2011, at 18:30, Gordon Smith wrote: > Probably a stupid question but here goes. > > Using Sarah's suggestion of trying to use the trackpad to get to the dropbox icon in the status bar, do you have to have trackpad commander turned on? I'm not even seeing the icon when I press Control+F8 (same as VO+M twice), and bring up the status bar. If I slide my finger to the top right corner of the trackpad I seem to be taken out of the status bar. It's darn frustrating because obviously Lynne is able to land strait on the app. I know this isn't something you have to do very often and, in theory, once it's set up it's set up. But there are one or two things you need to use the app for. > > For instance I need to send an email link to a file in our public Drop Box folder but I cannot figure out how the hell you do it. So I think it must be in the application itself. > > Gordon _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 19:36:44 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:36:44 +0000 Subject: stem stumper Message-ID: <66C736BF-547D-46FD-A619-006F8B7A350B@gmail.com> HI all, A new game for the iphone is going to be launched this spring: stem stumper Introducing Stem Stumper, a blind-accessible puzzle game for the iPhone and iPod Touch. A dynamic layered soundtrack to guides Mimea the vine through a 100 brain-teasing levels. Use sling shots, sprinklers and Angry Acorns to open paths for her to grow. Use the right combination to rack up points and prove once and for all you?re smarter than a 6th grader. The inaugaral game of Ananse Productions, Stem Stumper is built from the ground up to be enjoyed by both the iPhone?s burgeoning blind community and fully sighted players around the world. Stem Stumper is fully integrated with VoiceOver, Apple?s builtin screen reader for iOS devices. And if you think you can solve our puzzles with a blindfold on, we?re including a sound only ?sonar? mode. Stem Stumper plans to hit the App Store Spring 2011. sourced from http://www.ananseproductions.com/stemstumper/ From tsiegel at softcon.com Wed Mar 16 20:05:53 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:05:53 -0500 Subject: Possible Bug In VoiceOver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: command-o opens applications too, so if you have itunes highlighted, command-o will open itunes, and not prompt for the new library. Alternatively, use numpad commander, and this issue does not arrive either. Just some alternatives. From tsiegel at softcon.com Wed Mar 16 20:16:30 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:16:30 -0500 Subject: taking college courses with the mac online or otherwise? In-Reply-To: <4160B5F9-0314-41C6-8555-9755CEBF014A@mac-access.net> References: <4160B5F9-0314-41C6-8555-9755CEBF014A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: When I went to ctu (Colorado Technical University Online) I used the mac just fine. I couldn't read comments other students were making during class w/o a braille display on windows, because even jaws didn't see that area of the screen with the speech, so the lack of that ability on the mac wasn't anything I didn't have with jaws (if it's the most technologically advanced option, then I got some swamp land in florida you can buy) However, the semester before I left, they changed their entire system to something else (no clue what) and things got really inaccessible, but since I didn't hang around after that, I have no idea what (if anything) was the solution to the new difficulties. I'd ask the universities you'r talking to, to give you a temporary account, and allow you to try a lecture, a course notes, and a sylibus access to see what all works for you. Then you'll know what works or doesn't. There's really the only to guarantee it'll behave for you. I tell you, it sucks signing up for classes only to find they aren't accessible. From support at mac-access.net Wed Mar 16 20:17:16 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:17:16 +0000 Subject: People are still Carbon Copying! Message-ID: <0EFCA1AF-2444-487B-9373-971591E32C9B@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Despite our repeated requests, despite the fact that there is specific stipulation in list policy, people are still carbon copying messages to this list intended for other groups. So be it! It's time for us now to start removing people who persistently ignore our requests just to have their proverbial voices heard all over the planet. Be advices, therefore, that the next person to do this without justifiable reason will be removed from the group without notice. We are sorry that things have reached this point. But it seems that we are left with little option. We are aware that the new-comers to the group won't have seen these requests; so we will exercise discretion. But those who have seen them are up for deletion. If anybody wishes to discuss this with us off list, they may do so on . Again we regret that this must happen. Lynne From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 20:23:06 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:23:06 +0000 Subject: People are still Carbon Copying! In-Reply-To: <0EFCA1AF-2444-487B-9373-971591E32C9B@mac-access.net> References: <0EFCA1AF-2444-487B-9373-971591E32C9B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <8B478A88-AB5C-46CF-91F7-B6C4CC67951A@gmail.com> what difference does it make? That's why the CC field exists, after all and if people are on the lists people post to they are going to see it twice so why waste time new message paste, new message paste all the time? From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 20:26:52 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:26:52 +0000 Subject: Possible Bug In VoiceOver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8741AFB6-6649-4640-917F-796A175B6CC4@gmail.com> Just pressing enter on itunes opens it to without asking for the library. On 16 Mar 2011, at 20:05, Travis Siegel wrote: > command-o opens applications too, so if you have itunes highlighted, command-o will open itunes, and not prompt for the new library. > Alternatively, use numpad commander, and this issue does not arrive either. > Just some alternatives. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Wed Mar 16 20:28:10 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:28:10 +0000 Subject: People are still Carbon Copying! In-Reply-To: <8B478A88-AB5C-46CF-91F7-B6C4CC67951A@gmail.com> References: <0EFCA1AF-2444-487B-9373-971591E32C9B@mac-access.net> <8B478A88-AB5C-46CF-91F7-B6C4CC67951A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2EB8CE5F-36BF-4919-8523-8B0B1ACFFFC8@mac-access.net> William It makes a lot of difference because it waste people's bandwidth and it is a tactic that spammers use for lists. RFC guidelines recommend that list mail should not be carbon copied. On 16 Mar 2011, at 20:23, william lomas wrote: what difference does it make? That's why the CC field exists, after all and if people are on the lists people post to they are going to see it twice so why waste time new message paste, new message paste all the time? From tsiegel at softcon.com Wed Mar 16 20:29:40 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:29:40 -0500 Subject: AppleScript question In-Reply-To: <9437575C2F8A4AF0A7E933070013DA34@CNIBnotebook> References: <9437575C2F8A4AF0A7E933070013DA34@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <73C00CC7-C0F8-4ED4-A34F-F3E1964951CE@softcon.com> The apple script guide is located at: http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/AppleScript/ Conceptual/AppleScriptLangGuide/introduction/ASLR_intro.html Where you can either read it online, or download a pdf with the entire manual in it. Since this is direct from apple, you can be sure it's about as thorough as it gets. Enjoy. From rawoolgrove at btinternet.com Wed Mar 16 20:34:13 2011 From: rawoolgrove at btinternet.com (Roger Woolgrove) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:34:13 -0000 Subject: People are still Carbon Copying! References: <0EFCA1AF-2444-487B-9373-971591E32C9B@mac-access.net><8B478A88-AB5C-46CF-91F7-B6C4CC67951A@gmail.com> <2EB8CE5F-36BF-4919-8523-8B0B1ACFFFC8@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Gordon and Lynne, Great, as I've dumped bt as my ISP due to appauling service, I've got one of them pay as you get robbed dongles so my band width is limited and mails from this group as well as others is costing a fair chunk of my available limit. On a further note, who should I notify to change my subscription email address? Many thanks Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:28 PM Subject: Re: People are still Carbon Copying! > William > > It makes a lot of difference because it waste people's bandwidth and it is > a tactic that spammers use for lists. RFC guidelines recommend that list > mail should not be carbon copied. > > > On 16 Mar 2011, at 20:23, william lomas wrote: > > what difference does it make? > That's why the CC field exists, after all and if people are on the lists > people post to they are going to see it twice so why waste time new > message paste, new message paste all the time? > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Wed Mar 16 20:45:35 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:45:35 +0000 Subject: People are still Carbon Copying! In-Reply-To: References: <0EFCA1AF-2444-487B-9373-971591E32C9B@mac-access.net><8B478A88-AB5C-46CF-91F7-B6C4CC67951A@gmail.com> <2EB8CE5F-36BF-4919-8523-8B0B1ACFFFC8@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <34C06437-F396-4A1A-99AE-873C5446ADEC@mac-access.net> Roger. Please contact us off list to change your subscription, or visit The issue of carbon copying is non-negociable. It's listed in the policy document and if people don't like it! Gordon On 16 Mar 2011, at 20:34, Roger Woolgrove wrote: Hi Gordon and Lynne, Great, as I've dumped bt as my ISP due to appauling service, I've got one of them pay as you get robbed dongles so my band width is limited and mails from this group as well as others is costing a fair chunk of my available limit. On a further note, who should I notify to change my subscription email address? Many thanks Roger ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 8:28 PM Subject: Re: People are still Carbon Copying! > William > > It makes a lot of difference because it waste people's bandwidth and it is a tactic that spammers use for lists. RFC guidelines recommend that list mail should not be carbon copied. > > > On 16 Mar 2011, at 20:23, william lomas wrote: > > what difference does it make? > That's why the CC field exists, after all and if people are on the lists people post to they are going to see it twice so why waste time new message paste, new message paste all the time? > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From desiandcandy at q.com Wed Mar 16 20:56:49 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 13:56:49 -0700 Subject: Possible Bug In VoiceOver? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Travis! These are some great suggestions! Desi On Mar 16, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > command-o opens applications too, so if you have itunes highlighted, command-o will open itunes, and not prompt for the new library. > Alternatively, use numpad commander, and this issue does not arrive either. > Just some alternatives. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Wed Mar 16 21:20:00 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:20:00 +0000 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 Message-ID: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> Hi all Anybody know whether the problems in these voices have been fixed? I need to download voices for other platforms so I thought I might as well update my OSX voices also. I'm more than happy with iVox, but sometimes it is useful to have multiple active voices especially now while my Braille display is in hospital. The only other British voices I am aware of for OSX is Cepstral, so I thought I would give it another spin since I already have licenses for all of the English voices anyway, both US English and UK (British) English. Gordon From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 21:38:12 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 14:38:12 -0700 Subject: start up disk full again In-Reply-To: <7AFB3985-B0B5-4DD1-911C-325AF32050AD@gmail.com> References: <509B047C-0CF1-464F-A401-8300875B9E1F@gmail.com> <7AFB3985-B0B5-4DD1-911C-325AF32050AD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <08E4D0FA-8F6A-4325-B1E5-BF52FC65DEE2@gmail.com> Ok I'm now up to 93 gigs free space on my disk. but my mail and finder are still slow in rendering my columns. I really dunno what to do here. I can't do another reinstall of the os. I heard a lot of hd activity when my trash was deleted but not sure when the system will finish defraging or what not. I'm getting frustrated as this is the second time this has happened in about 3 months! Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 15, 2011, at 11:24 PM, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > Can you syphon off Somme data to an external HD? > On 16 Mar 2011, at 06:18, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Ok once again I have a full start up disk. If I clear at least half of that my mail and finder are still as slow as ever in rendering tables and stuff in the message list views and in list mode in finder. How can I make things faster with out reinstalling? I don't want to go that rout. Not again. I have too much to focus on this week with mid terms coming up. Thanks. >> >> >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Wed Mar 16 21:39:02 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:39:02 -0300 Subject: AppleScript question In-Reply-To: <73C00CC7-C0F8-4ED4-A34F-F3E1964951CE@softcon.com> References: <9437575C2F8A4AF0A7E933070013DA34@CNIBnotebook> <73C00CC7-C0F8-4ED4-A34F-F3E1964951CE@softcon.com> Message-ID: Hello Folks: Is it just me, or are some items in the AppleScript editor hard to access with VO. For example: I am having problems accessing items in the "dictionary" listings. Any help would be appreciated all over the place. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From rose at chicksdigmacs.net Wed Mar 16 21:53:09 2011 From: rose at chicksdigmacs.net (Rose Morales) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:53:09 -0400 Subject: People are still Carbon Copying! In-Reply-To: <2EB8CE5F-36BF-4919-8523-8B0B1ACFFFC8@mac-access.net> References: <0EFCA1AF-2444-487B-9373-971591E32C9B@mac-access.net> <8B478A88-AB5C-46CF-91F7-B6C4CC67951A@gmail.com> <2EB8CE5F-36BF-4919-8523-8B0B1ACFFFC8@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9FB29CC4-7BD8-4309-96A7-6FB276C6F6A5@chicksdigmacs.net> William, Additionally, carbon copying messages meant for other lists shows no regard for the individuality of this list. While we are all aware that there are other Mac lists out there, both blindness related and those for sighted people, this list is not those lists. THose lists have their own policies, guidelines, and communities. Carbon copying messages to multiple lists is basically like saying, I have no respect for the fact that each of the lists we subscribe to does, in effect, not have its own personality, set of goals, and individual dynamic. It is disrespectful to the owners of the lists in question, the moderators who take time to enforce and maintain each list's rules and dynamic, and the users who contribute to making the lists a place that people can enjoy being a part of. I'm just an ordinary user of Mac Access, but I felt this needed to be said. Regards, Rose On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > William > > It makes a lot of difference because it waste people's bandwidth and it is a tactic that spammers use for lists. RFC guidelines recommend that list mail should not be carbon copied. > > > On 16 Mar 2011, at 20:23, william lomas wrote: > > what difference does it make? > That's why the CC field exists, after all and if people are on the lists people post to they are going to see it twice so why waste time new message paste, new message paste all the time? > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 22:06:47 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:06:47 -0700 Subject: People are still Carbon Copying! In-Reply-To: <9FB29CC4-7BD8-4309-96A7-6FB276C6F6A5@chicksdigmacs.net> References: <0EFCA1AF-2444-487B-9373-971591E32C9B@mac-access.net> <8B478A88-AB5C-46CF-91F7-B6C4CC67951A@gmail.com> <2EB8CE5F-36BF-4919-8523-8B0B1ACFFFC8@mac-access.net> <9FB29CC4-7BD8-4309-96A7-6FB276C6F6A5@chicksdigmacs.net> Message-ID: <40E0CEF9-81F2-48AE-A0EA-0D02B7DB0240@gmail.com> understandable but what's to stop us from using the resend function and changing the headers? I do this all the time so that is a way of getting around the bcc thing. and I'm kind of a rebel when it comes to that kind of stuff. I try and find ways around stuff and try and get away with it for as long as I can. lol! Ok got to go troubleshoot some stuff. and practice for a drum lesson friday and get a term paper done and, and, and. lol! Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 16, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Rose Morales wrote: > William, > Additionally, carbon copying messages meant for other lists shows no regard for the individuality of this list. While we are all aware that there are other Mac lists out there, both blindness related and those for sighted people, this list is not those lists. THose lists have their own policies, guidelines, and communities. Carbon copying messages to multiple lists is basically like saying, I have no respect for the fact that each of the lists we subscribe to does, in effect, not have its own personality, set of goals, and individual dynamic. It is disrespectful to the owners of the lists in question, the moderators who take time to enforce and maintain each list's rules and dynamic, and the users who contribute to making the lists a place that people can enjoy being a part of. I'm just an ordinary user of Mac Access, but I felt this needed to be said. > Regards, > Rose > > On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> William >> >> It makes a lot of difference because it waste people's bandwidth and it is a tactic that spammers use for lists. RFC guidelines recommend that list mail should not be carbon copied. >> >> >> On 16 Mar 2011, at 20:23, william lomas wrote: >> >> what difference does it make? >> That's why the CC field exists, after all and if people are on the lists people post to they are going to see it twice so why waste time new message paste, new message paste all the time? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 22:07:18 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 15:07:18 -0700 Subject: AppleScript question In-Reply-To: References: <9437575C2F8A4AF0A7E933070013DA34@CNIBnotebook> <73C00CC7-C0F8-4ED4-A34F-F3E1964951CE@softcon.com> Message-ID: <6FC29765-1DD3-47EB-823B-3EDE85068424@gmail.com> I believe you can search for the dictionary term and copy past that in to the script but not sure. I have not used it in a while and I"m still reading a manual lol! On Mar 16, 2011, at 2:39 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hello Folks: > > Is it just me, or are some items in the AppleScript editor hard to access with VO. > > For example: I am having problems accessing items in the "dictionary" listings. > > Any help would be appreciated all over the place. > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Mar 16 22:30:30 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:30:30 +0000 Subject: People are still Carbon Copying! In-Reply-To: <9FB29CC4-7BD8-4309-96A7-6FB276C6F6A5@chicksdigmacs.net> References: <0EFCA1AF-2444-487B-9373-971591E32C9B@mac-access.net> <8B478A88-AB5C-46CF-91F7-B6C4CC67951A@gmail.com> <2EB8CE5F-36BF-4919-8523-8B0B1ACFFFC8@mac-access.net> <9FB29CC4-7BD8-4309-96A7-6FB276C6F6A5@chicksdigmacs.net> Message-ID: <947D0399-34AA-49BA-87D3-534752E100A8@mac-access.net> Hello Rose I will top post in order to save you scrolling. Basically, we couldn't have put it better ourselves! Gordon and I do a very great deal of work each week to maintain this list's integrity and identity. We also wage a continual and ever-more intense war against spam and other malicious content. People who are not a member of this group continually try to flout our protective mechanisms in order to distribute their spam and their unsolicited email traffic. Carbon copying is a very common method of sending spam to both individuals and groups who do not prohibit the traffic of non-members, (as we do). Therefore, we cannot, and will not, tolerate members breeching the list rules we specify and to which each and every member signed up when he or she joined the group. if the members simply don't bother to read the policy document distributed upon subscription to the group, that isn't our fault. But there is explicit mention of the practice of carbon copying and message forwarding contained in that document which, incidentally, may be viewed at any time on line at . Thus far, we have tried to be tolerant, gently reminding users of the policy stipulating no copying. However that message, it seems, is not universally being adhered too and those users intent upon shouting their message to everybody whether they want it or not, often multiple times on multiple lists are behaving in a disrespectful manner both to us as the list owners and, most importantly of all, towards their fellow members. We are not naive enough to believe that members only subscribe to the one single Mac-related list. In fact, that kind of diversity is to be encouraged as it spawns the accumulation of knowledge. However, as Rose quite rightly points out, we are determined to preserve this group's unique identity and goals. We must not, cannot and will not tolerate this group being used as a "dumping ground" for traffic whose primary destination is a completely foreign host. Therefore, Gordon and I have decided that, in the interests on the majority of members of Mac Access, it's time to get tough on the minority who, deliberately or otherwise, I really don't know, flout the policies of the list. Therefore, those who insist on forwarding content from other lists whose function is similar, or carbon copy this list with traffic intended for other such groups without prior consultation with us or with one of our list controllers will be suspended from posting to the group, pending further discussions. If, either as a result of those discussions or of the user indicating that he or she is unwilling to adopt a more cooperative attitude in the future, a satisfactory understanding cannot be attained with that user, we will regretfully be left with no option but to terminate that user's membership until such times as they are prepared to change their attitudes. Again, this is something we do with the greatest of regret. But we feel that we need to act in the best interests of the group as a whole. I hope that clarifies our position further. Again, we are willing to discuss and, where there is justifiable reason for bulk distribution, we may be willing to exercise discretion following prior consultation. That, just to be clear, means that the sender should communicate directly with us, , or with one of our assistant list controllers: Anne Robertson or: James Austin who will be happy to help. Lynne On 16 Mar 2011, at 21:53, Rose Morales wrote: William, Additionally, carbon copying messages meant for other lists shows no regard for the individuality of this list. While we are all aware that there are other Mac lists out there, both blindness related and those for sighted people, this list is not those lists. THose lists have their own policies, guidelines, and communities. Carbon copying messages to multiple lists is basically like saying, I have no respect for the fact that each of the lists we subscribe to does, in effect, not have its own personality, set of goals, and individual dynamic. It is disrespectful to the owners of the lists in question, the moderators who take time to enforce and maintain each list's rules and dynamic, and the users who contribute to making the lists a place that people can enjoy being a part of. I'm just an ordinary user of Mac Access, but I felt this needed to be said. From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Mar 16 22:38:13 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:38:13 +0000 Subject: People are still Carbon Copying! In-Reply-To: <40E0CEF9-81F2-48AE-A0EA-0D02B7DB0240@gmail.com> References: <0EFCA1AF-2444-487B-9373-971591E32C9B@mac-access.net> <8B478A88-AB5C-46CF-91F7-B6C4CC67951A@gmail.com> <2EB8CE5F-36BF-4919-8523-8B0B1ACFFFC8@mac-access.net> <9FB29CC4-7BD8-4309-96A7-6FB276C6F6A5@chicksdigmacs.net> <40E0CEF9-81F2-48AE-A0EA-0D02B7DB0240@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sarah Unfortunately we cannot prevent those determined to flout our guidelines under every circumstance. But I find it disappointing to be honest that people deliberately and wilfully disrespect us in that manner. Gordon and I invest a lot of time and resources in the effort to help the community. We are not a large or a public organisation and I frankly find it very disappointing that any member would deliberately set out to spoil. I do not imply you specifically; much of what you post is of interest. But entry via the back door, if detected,m simply won't be tolerated any longer. As I have just said, we are going to get tough, because this kind of behaviour is threatening the identity and integrity of the group. Gordon is going to be tightening the filters we use to determine what is and what is not acceptable traffic for the group. When done, if the name of another list exists anywhere in the message headers, the message will bounce. Lynne On 16 Mar 2011, at 22:06, Sarah Alawami wrote: understandable but what's to stop us from using the resend function and changing the headers? I do this all the time so that is a way of getting around the bcc thing. and I'm kind of a rebel when it comes to that kind of stuff. I try and find ways around stuff and try and get away with it for as long as I can. lol! Ok got to go troubleshoot some stuff. and practice for a drum lesson friday and get a term paper done and, and, and. lol! From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Wed Mar 16 22:39:03 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:39:03 +0000 Subject: People are still Carbon Copying! In-Reply-To: <947D0399-34AA-49BA-87D3-534752E100A8@mac-access.net> References: <0EFCA1AF-2444-487B-9373-971591E32C9B@mac-access.net> <8B478A88-AB5C-46CF-91F7-B6C4CC67951A@gmail.com> <2EB8CE5F-36BF-4919-8523-8B0B1ACFFFC8@mac-access.net> <9FB29CC4-7BD8-4309-96A7-6FB276C6F6A5@chicksdigmacs.net> <947D0399-34AA-49BA-87D3-534752E100A8@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi all! I like that Gordon and Lynne tries to keep this list unique! In its own way! So to help them I changed what I was doing to help them, so they did not have to make special workarounds just for me! Colin I'm far too bad for Heaven! The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! On 16 Mar 2011, at 22:30, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Rose > > I will top post in order to save you scrolling. > > Basically, we couldn't have put it better ourselves! Gordon and I do a very great deal of work each week to maintain this list's integrity and identity. We also wage a continual and ever-more intense war against spam and other malicious content. People who are not a member of this group continually try to flout our protective mechanisms in order to distribute their spam and their unsolicited email traffic. > > Carbon copying is a very common method of sending spam to both individuals and groups who do not prohibit the traffic of non-members, (as we do). Therefore, we cannot, and will not, tolerate members breeching the list rules we specify and to which each and every member signed up when he or she joined the group. > > if the members simply don't bother to read the policy document distributed upon subscription to the group, that isn't our fault. But there is explicit mention of the practice of carbon copying and message forwarding contained in that document which, incidentally, may be viewed at any time on line at . > > Thus far, we have tried to be tolerant, gently reminding users of the policy stipulating no copying. However that message, it seems, is not universally being adhered too and those users intent upon shouting their message to everybody whether they want it or not, often multiple times on multiple lists are behaving in a disrespectful manner both to us as the list owners and, most importantly of all, towards their fellow members. > > We are not naive enough to believe that members only subscribe to the one single Mac-related list. In fact, that kind of diversity is to be encouraged as it spawns the accumulation of knowledge. However, as Rose quite rightly points out, we are determined to preserve this group's unique identity and goals. We must not, cannot and will not tolerate this group being used as a "dumping ground" for traffic whose primary destination is a completely foreign host. > > Therefore, Gordon and I have decided that, in the interests on the majority of members of Mac Access, it's time to get tough on the minority who, deliberately or otherwise, I really don't know, flout the policies of the list. Therefore, those who insist on forwarding content from other lists whose function is similar, or carbon copy this list with traffic intended for other such groups without prior consultation with us or with one of our list controllers will be suspended from posting to the group, pending further discussions. If, either as a result of those discussions or of the user indicating that he or she is unwilling to adopt a more cooperative attitude in the future, a satisfactory understanding cannot be attained with that user, we will regretfully be left with no option but to terminate that user's membership until such times as they are prepared to change their attitudes. > > Again, this is something we do with the greatest of regret. But we feel that we need to act in the best interests of the group as a whole. I hope that clarifies our position further. > > Again, we are willing to discuss and, where there is justifiable reason for bulk distribution, we may be willing to exercise discretion following prior consultation. That, just to be clear, means that the sender should communicate directly with us, , or with one of our assistant list controllers: > Anne Robertson > or: > James Austin > who will be happy to help. > > Lynne > > On 16 Mar 2011, at 21:53, Rose Morales wrote: > > William, > Additionally, carbon copying messages meant for other lists shows no regard for the individuality of this list. While we are all aware that there are other Mac lists out there, both blindness related and those for sighted people, this list is not those lists. THose lists have their own policies, guidelines, and communities. Carbon copying messages to multiple lists is basically like saying, I have no respect for the fact that each of the lists we subscribe to does, in effect, not have its own personality, set of goals, and individual dynamic. It is disrespectful to the owners of the lists in question, the moderators who take time to enforce and maintain each list's rules and dynamic, and the users who contribute to making the lists a place that people can enjoy being a part of. I'm just an ordinary user of Mac Access, but I felt this needed to be said. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 23:10:18 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:10:18 -0700 Subject: People are still Carbon Copying! In-Reply-To: References: <0EFCA1AF-2444-487B-9373-971591E32C9B@mac-access.net> <8B478A88-AB5C-46CF-91F7-B6C4CC67951A@gmail.com> <2EB8CE5F-36BF-4919-8523-8B0B1ACFFFC8@mac-access.net> <9FB29CC4-7BD8-4309-96A7-6FB276C6F6A5@chicksdigmacs.net> <40E0CEF9-81F2-48AE-A0EA-0D02B7DB0240@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5FF7A4B6-7814-4DFC-AD43-B16BC814781E@gmail.com> Actually I create a new message and use the resend function. saves me greef in editing lol! but anyway got to get correcting on this blasted paper. Ug! Take care all. and don't worry once mid terms stop I'll be trying to dig up stuff of interest but right now I just don't have the time lol! Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 16, 2011, at 3:38 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Sarah > > Unfortunately we cannot prevent those determined to flout our guidelines under every circumstance. But I find it disappointing to be honest that people deliberately and wilfully disrespect us in that manner. Gordon and I invest a lot of time and resources in the effort to help the community. We are not a large or a public organisation and I frankly find it very disappointing that any member would deliberately set out to spoil. I do not imply you specifically; much of what you post is of interest. But entry via the back door, if detected,m simply won't be tolerated any longer. > > As I have just said, we are going to get tough, because this kind of behaviour is threatening the identity and integrity of the group. Gordon is going to be tightening the filters we use to determine what is and what is not acceptable traffic for the group. When done, if the name of another list exists anywhere in the message headers, the message will bounce. > > Lynne > > On 16 Mar 2011, at 22:06, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > understandable but what's to stop us from using the resend function and changing the headers? I do this all the time so that is a way of getting around the bcc thing. and I'm kind of a rebel when it comes to that kind of stuff. I try and find ways around stuff and try and get away with it for as long as I can. lol! Ok got to go troubleshoot some stuff. and practice for a drum lesson friday and get a term paper done and, and, and. lol! > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 23:17:41 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:17:41 -0700 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?iPad_2_HDMI_Dock_Connector_=96_Quick_Preview?= Message-ID: <1E9360B3-EBBF-4C01-8777-F07AC833358F@gmail.com> This looks interesting. but I could not get past the frame that was blocking the article. I can see many uses for this. http://bit.ly/e02QYp From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 23:21:24 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:21:24 -0700 Subject: Multiple FaceTime addresses for one e-mail address Message-ID: an interesting idea. I don't know what web providers support this but here is the link to the hint. http://bit.ly/fVODbl Note: I use this method for twitter and colledge stuff to and it works. From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 23:24:59 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:24:59 -0700 Subject: Quick access to System Preferences isn't gone Message-ID: Here is the hint in full sort of. It confuses me a bit as I'm on a laptop. Can someone sheed some light for this 1 year old mac user? Quick access to System Preferences isn't gone You can open several frequently used System Preferences directly in 10.5 and 10.6 with a simple keyboard shortcut. If you have an Apple keyboard (or a third party one with similarly branded function keys) you can bring up various system preference panels without using your mouse at all. Simply hold down the Option key combined with one of the Apple-branded function keys to bring up the related preference panel. So Option+F1 or Option+F2 will bring up Displays. On the newer keyboards Apple changed the layout of a few of these function keys so they could include iTunes control keys; Option+ those f-keys used to bring up iTunes (under 10.5 and maybe the early versions of 10.6?) but that does nothing now. Option+ any of the volume keys will bring up the Sound System Pref, and Option+ any of the Expos? function keys will bring up the Expos?/Spaces System Pref. http://bit.ly/hcYK79 From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Mar 16 23:25:22 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 23:25:22 +0000 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_iPad_2_HDMI_Dock_Connector_=96_Quick_Prev?= =?windows-1252?Q?iew?= In-Reply-To: <1E9360B3-EBBF-4C01-8777-F07AC833358F@gmail.com> References: <1E9360B3-EBBF-4C01-8777-F07AC833358F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <92AADA4A-2D04-4CD9-BB15-409A3555DBD1@blueyonder.co.uk> Were you trying to play the video? I got it working with click2flash, quite a short video On 16 Mar 2011, at 23:17, Sarah Alawami wrote: > This looks interesting. but I could not get past the frame that was blocking the article. I can see many uses for this. > > http://bit.ly/e02QYp > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 16 23:29:36 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 16:29:36 -0700 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_iPad_2_HDMI_Dock_Connector_=96_Quick_Prev?= =?windows-1252?Q?iew?= In-Reply-To: <92AADA4A-2D04-4CD9-BB15-409A3555DBD1@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <1E9360B3-EBBF-4C01-8777-F07AC833358F@gmail.com> <92AADA4A-2D04-4CD9-BB15-409A3555DBD1@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: No I was trying to read the text lol! but I was in a big hury when posting the last few emails so mistakes might have been made. Tka ecare and I'llhave to find the click to flash thing again. forgot webkit can do extentions. lol! Take care all. On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > Were you trying to play the video? I got it working with click2flash, quite a short video > On 16 Mar 2011, at 23:17, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> This looks interesting. but I could not get past the frame that was blocking the article. I can see many uses for this. >> >> http://bit.ly/e02QYp >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Mar 17 00:07:43 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:07:43 +0000 Subject: People are still Carbon Copying! In-Reply-To: <5FF7A4B6-7814-4DFC-AD43-B16BC814781E@gmail.com> References: <0EFCA1AF-2444-487B-9373-971591E32C9B@mac-access.net> <8B478A88-AB5C-46CF-91F7-B6C4CC67951A@gmail.com> <2EB8CE5F-36BF-4919-8523-8B0B1ACFFFC8@mac-access.net> <9FB29CC4-7BD8-4309-96A7-6FB276C6F6A5@chicksdigmacs.net> <40E0CEF9-81F2-48AE-A0EA-0D02B7DB0240@gmail.com> <5FF7A4B6-7814-4DFC-AD43-B16BC814781E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sarah Resending isn't a problem. If the message is intended for this list, then it isn't an issue, as I've mentioned before. On 16 Mar 2011, at 23:10, Sarah Alawami wrote: Actually I create a new message and use the resend function. saves me greef in editing lol! but anyway got to get correcting on this blasted paper. Ug! From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Mar 17 00:11:50 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 00:11:50 +0000 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_iPad_2_HDMI_Dock_Connector_=96_Quick_Prev?= =?windows-1252?Q?iew?= In-Reply-To: <1E9360B3-EBBF-4C01-8777-F07AC833358F@gmail.com> References: <1E9360B3-EBBF-4C01-8777-F07AC833358F@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think that's the worst interface I've ever seen! On 16 Mar 2011, at 23:17, Sarah Alawami wrote: This looks interesting. but I could not get past the frame that was blocking the article. I can see many uses for this. From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 00:37:00 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 17:37:00 -0700 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_iPad_2_HDMI_Dock_Connector_=96_Quick_Prev?= =?windows-1252?Q?iew?= In-Reply-To: References: <1E9360B3-EBBF-4C01-8777-F07AC833358F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh? yeah the website was pretty yucky but I can' see many things like giving a power point presentation or something. Take care. On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:11 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > I think that's the worst interface I've ever seen! > > On 16 Mar 2011, at 23:17, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > This looks interesting. but I could not get past the frame that was blocking the article. I can see many uses for this. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Thu Mar 17 03:18:45 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 22:18:45 -0500 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Haven't tried them in a while, but I think there are still issues with voiceover, compared to Alex, and the infovox voices, I don't know, speech is a very subjective thing, but there is something about the Cepstral voices that I have a hard time listening to, it's like they're more choppy or something. On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:20 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Anybody know whether the problems in these voices have been fixed? > > I need to download voices for other platforms so I thought I might as well update my OSX voices also. I'm more than happy with iVox, but sometimes it is useful to have multiple active voices especially now while my Braille display is in hospital. The only other British voices I am aware of for OSX is Cepstral, so I thought I would give it another spin since I already have licenses for all of the English voices anyway, both US English and UK (British) English. > > Gordon > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Mar 17 04:24:09 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 04:24:09 +0000 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <46ACD73E-624B-4018-BD91-75AF3B07157A@mac-access.net> No offence to anybody on list and it doesn't happen this way with real human voices. But synthetic American voices make me feel like stuffing the computer down the closest toilet! Gordon On 17 Mar 2011, at 03:18, Mike Arrigo wrote: Haven't tried them in a while, but I think there are still issues with voiceover, compared to Alex, and the infovox voices, I don't know, speech is a very subjective thing, but there is something about the Cepstral voices that I have a hard time listening to, it's like they're more choppy or something. On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:20 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Anybody know whether the problems in these voices have been fixed? > > I need to download voices for other platforms so I thought I might as well update my OSX voices also. I'm more than happy with iVox, but sometimes it is useful to have multiple active voices especially now while my Braille display is in hospital. The only other British voices I am aware of for OSX is Cepstral, so I thought I would give it another spin since I already have licenses for all of the English voices anyway, both US English and UK (British) English. > > Gordon > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 04:25:34 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:25:34 -0700 Subject: Filemaker Releases Bento 4, Updates iPhone and iPad Apps Message-ID: <68669444-C1DF-4D8D-8BA0-8A7ABB73D400@gmail.com> This looks interesting. and now they release a ipad update to. read more. http://bit.ly/fQlq6L From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 04:39:21 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:39:21 -0700 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: <46ACD73E-624B-4018-BD91-75AF3B07157A@mac-access.net> References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <46ACD73E-624B-4018-BD91-75AF3B07157A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <905C0BEA-3EF1-450A-B823-43E43AE97B70@gmail.com> lol. hehahahaha! actually I love the british voices. they sound clearer to my untrained ear. Hope you get your answer soon. On Mar 16, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > No offence to anybody on list and it doesn't happen this way with real human voices. But synthetic American voices make me feel like stuffing the computer down the closest toilet! > > Gordon > > On 17 Mar 2011, at 03:18, Mike Arrigo wrote: > > Haven't tried them in a while, but I think there are still issues with voiceover, compared to Alex, and the infovox voices, I don't know, speech is a very subjective thing, but there is something about the Cepstral voices that I have a hard time listening to, it's like they're more choppy or something. > On Mar 16, 2011, at 4:20 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> Anybody know whether the problems in these voices have been fixed? >> >> I need to download voices for other platforms so I thought I might as well update my OSX voices also. I'm more than happy with iVox, but sometimes it is useful to have multiple active voices especially now while my Braille display is in hospital. The only other British voices I am aware of for OSX is Cepstral, so I thought I would give it another spin since I already have licenses for all of the English voices anyway, both US English and UK (British) English. >> >> Gordon >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Mar 17 07:55:10 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 07:55:10 +0000 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_iPad_2_HDMI_Dock_Connector_=96_Quick_Prev?= =?windows-1252?Q?iew?= In-Reply-To: References: <1E9360B3-EBBF-4C01-8777-F07AC833358F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <71CCE0AC-EFC2-4DB0-832B-348F9D1A8D81@blueyonder.co.uk> I think the idea is excellent, and perfect for giving presentation. I believe the request was made by many teachers so they could hook the iPad up to a HD TV or a HD projector. I would have loved to have had something like this when I used to have to battle with a Toshiba laptop and a projector and Powerpoint. All we need now is to make Keynote for the iPad accessible and we are in business. On 17 Mar 2011, at 00:37, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Oh? yeah the website was pretty yucky but I can' see many things like giving a power point presentation or something. > > Take care. > On Mar 16, 2011, at 5:11 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> I think that's the worst interface I've ever seen! >> >> On 16 Mar 2011, at 23:17, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >> This looks interesting. but I could not get past the frame that was blocking the article. I can see many uses for this. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Thu Mar 17 15:30:17 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 10:30:17 -0500 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: <46ACD73E-624B-4018-BD91-75AF3B07157A@mac-access.net> References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <46ACD73E-624B-4018-BD91-75AF3B07157A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: For me, especially if I need to read very quickly, I much prefer synthesized voices (I use fred or bruce for all my computer usage on the mac) because they're easier to understand. I don't like alex, because first off, he eats entirely too much memory, memory that I could be using for applications like mail, safari, and terminal. I've discovered that when alex is active, my machines crawl along, when I switch to fred, there's a considerable speed increase. I can only surmise this is a result of the size of the data files required to generate the human sounding speech. Victoria irritates me to no end, because to me, it sounds like someone trying to seduce you, and that is ok for about 30 seconds, after that, it's just annoying. Most of the other apple supplied voices have various things wrong with them as far as they go, and to be honest, I find human-sounding voices much much harder to concentrate on, especially when reading passages of text as fast as the speech will go, this is why I stick to fred for 99 percent of my computer usage, switch to bruce for those times I need to pick error messages out of the background hubub, and generally leave the rest alone. It's nice apple provides the other voices, and I know folks who use them, but for me, it's just not practical. This is largely why I have not bothered to purchase kepstral or infovox voices, because unless I'm producing recordings for others, I'd never use them, so it would be a waste of funds. From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Mar 17 15:37:59 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:37:59 +0000 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <46ACD73E-624B-4018-BD91-75AF3B07157A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Travis I believe memory is a bit of a problem for you at the moment. Personally I prefer a clear nice-sounding voice and the old Apple voices are not that. So usually I use Rachel but actually the enquiry on Techno Chat was more related to Windows. Gordon On 17 Mar 2011, at 15:30, Travis Siegel wrote: For me, especially if I need to read very quickly, I much prefer synthesized voices (I use fred or bruce for all my computer usage on the mac) because they're easier to understand. I don't like alex, because first off, he eats entirely too much memory, memory that I could be using for applications like mail, safari, and terminal. I've discovered that when alex is active, my machines crawl along, when I switch to fred, there's a considerable speed increase. I can only surmise this is a result of the size of the data files required to generate the human sounding speech. Victoria irritates me to no end, because to me, it sounds like someone trying to seduce you, and that is ok for about 30 seconds, after that, it's just annoying. Most of the other apple supplied voices have various things wrong with them as far as they go, and to be honest, I find human-sounding voices much much harder to concentrate on, especially when reading passages of text as fast as the speech will go, this is why I stick to fred for 99 percent of my computer usage, switch to bruce for those times I need to pick error messages out of the background hubub, and generally leave the rest alone. It's nice apple provides the other voices, and I know folks who use them, but for me, it's just not practical. This is largely why I have not bothered to purchase kepstral or infovox voices, because unless I'm producing recordings for others, I'd never use them, so it would be a waste of funds. _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Mar 17 15:46:16 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:46:16 +0000 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <46ACD73E-624B-4018-BD91-75AF3B07157A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Really? Man I just can't listen to those 1980s old Macintosh voices, they are so bad and i personally fined them hard to understand. I absolutely love Alex, and with 4gb of RAM he seems fine. I can listen to him pretty fast too I like the real sounding voices if I need to listen to large documents. But overall, Alex does it for me. I guess its a matter of what you are used to and I am fairly new to the TTS world. I guess you have been listening to those other voices for much longer and have got used to them. I don't even think the JAWS voice is too bad now, does quack a lot though (or is he saying blank?) :) On 17 Mar 2011, at 15:30, Travis Siegel wrote: > For me, especially if I need to read very quickly, I much prefer synthesized voices (I use fred or bruce for all my computer usage on the mac) because they're easier to understand. I don't like alex, because first off, he eats entirely too much memory, memory that I could be using for applications like mail, safari, and terminal. I've discovered that when alex is active, my machines crawl along, when I switch to fred, there's a considerable speed increase. I can only surmise this is a result of the size of the data files required to generate the human sounding speech. > Victoria irritates me to no end, because to me, it sounds like someone trying to seduce you, and that is ok for about 30 seconds, after that, it's just annoying. > Most of the other apple supplied voices have various things wrong with them as far as they go, and to be honest, I find human-sounding voices much much harder to concentrate on, especially when reading passages of text as fast as the speech will go, this is why I stick to fred for 99 percent of my computer usage, switch to bruce for those times I need to pick error messages out of the background hubub, and generally leave the rest alone. > It's nice apple provides the other voices, and I know folks who use them, but for me, it's just not practical. > This is largely why I have not bothered to purchase kepstral or infovox voices, because unless I'm producing recordings for others, I'd never use them, so it would be a waste of funds. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Mar 17 16:28:40 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:28:40 +0000 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <46ACD73E-624B-4018-BD91-75AF3B07157A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Chris I agree, Fred is awful and so are the rest of the old Apple voices. Things are getting better though and I still maintain that Infovox is the best synthetic voice suite on this planet. Especially Rachel who reads with a clarity unmatched, let alone unsurpassed, by any other synthesised voice anywhere. I must send you a demo of iVox if you haven't heard it. I think you'll change your mind about things. :) Gordon On 17 Mar 2011, at 15:46, Chris Moore wrote: Really? Man I just can't listen to those 1980s old Macintosh voices, they are so bad and i personally fined them hard to understand. I absolutely love Alex, and with 4gb of RAM he seems fine. I can listen to him pretty fast too I like the real sounding voices if I need to listen to large documents. But overall, Alex does it for me. I guess its a matter of what you are used to and I am fairly new to the TTS world. I guess you have been listening to those other voices for much longer and have got used to them. I don't even think the JAWS voice is too bad now, does quack a lot though (or is he saying blank?) :) From weavermicha at googlemail.com Thu Mar 17 16:59:50 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:59:50 +0000 Subject: financial management apps Message-ID: <4d823ce3.dd25e30a.10e8.ffff86fb@mx.google.com> i heard on insight radio and read possibly on a mailing list that a company in new zealand had created a program for financial management which is accessible with screenreaders in windows such as jaws and windoweyes. is there an equivalent for the mac that is accessible? i know when i was using linux a while ago i tried gnucash and although there was some accessibility with orca, entering transactions at the time was impossible because it was not entirely accessible. From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu Mar 17 17:56:08 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:56:08 +0000 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <46ACD73E-624B-4018-BD91-75AF3B07157A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <76C12FF0-F3A0-441E-899B-28E38C851E9F@blueyonder.co.uk> Yeah I did play with the demo of those voices, pretty good, but can be a bit choppy at higher speeds. I decided not to buy though (quite liked Heather) as I had a feeling Lion might come with some new voices. So glad I decided to wait :) On 17 Mar 2011, at 16:28, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Chris > > I agree, Fred is awful and so are the rest of the old Apple voices. Things are getting better though and I still maintain that Infovox is the best synthetic voice suite on this planet. Especially Rachel who reads with a clarity unmatched, let alone unsurpassed, by any other synthesised voice anywhere. > > I must send you a demo of iVox if you haven't heard it. I think you'll change your mind about things. :) > > Gordon > > On 17 Mar 2011, at 15:46, Chris Moore wrote: > > Really? Man I just can't listen to those 1980s old Macintosh voices, they are so bad and i personally fined them hard to understand. I absolutely love Alex, and with 4gb of RAM he seems fine. I can listen to him pretty fast too I like the real sounding voices if I need to listen to large documents. But overall, Alex does it for me. I guess its a matter of what you are used to and I am fairly new to the TTS world. I guess you have been listening to those other voices for much longer and have got used to them. I don't even think the JAWS voice is too bad now, does quack a lot though (or is he saying blank?) :) > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.london26 at gmail.com Thu Mar 17 18:40:41 2011 From: james.london26 at gmail.com (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:40:41 +0000 Subject: financial management apps In-Reply-To: <4d823ce3.dd25e30a.10e8.ffff86fb@mx.google.com> References: <4d823ce3.dd25e30a.10e8.ffff86fb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Michael, Try chronicle from: http://www.littlefin.com/chronicle.html This seems to be fully accessible. TC :) James You can contact me in the following ways: E-MAIL: james.london26 at gmail.com SKYPE: saulky1984 TWITTER: http://www.twitter.com/lnt2008 On 17 Mar 2011, at 16:59, michael weaver wrote: > i heard on insight radio and read possibly on a mailing list that a company in new zealand had created a program for financial management which is accessible with screenreaders in windows such as jaws and windoweyes. > is there an equivalent for the mac that is accessible? > i know when i was using linux a while ago i tried gnucash and although there was some accessibility with orca, entering transactions at the time was impossible because it was not entirely accessible. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lavendar at bell.net Thu Mar 17 20:51:58 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:51:58 -0400 Subject: short cut keys for mac, was In-Reply-To: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: Hi Ann, Where does a person go to get a list of "regular mac shortcut keys? What you are saying makes a lot of sense to me! I've only been using my new mac for a couple of dedicated days now, and the hints are already driving me nutty! lol! Thanks! Caitlyn On 2011-03-15, at 6:58 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Desi, > > I'm an old Mac user going back about 15 years so I do things the standard Mac way rather than the VO way. > > The hints drive me insane because I often disagree with them. I teach people to use Return to select menu items because, should they find themselves with no VoiceOver for some reason, there's a lot they can accomplish without speech or Braille if they know how. > > So I teach first letter navigation to find menu items or files or whatever, and standard Mac short cuts such as Control-F2 to open the Apple menu, Control-F3 to go to the Dock and Control-F8 to go to the Status menus. > > There are lots more short cuts like these which haven't changed in years. I don't know who dreamed up the idea of always using VO-Space bar to do everything but they certainly didn't ask my opinion! > > Rant over. > > Enjoy your new Mac. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 15 Mar 2011, at 23:21, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Anne, >> >> Thank you so much! I'll make sure to do it that way from now on! It does seem like that should be something that should be fixed in VoiceOver though, because of course, the verbal hint is to use VO-Space to open the application. Is this information written somewhere? I ask only because I don't remember noticing it, but I would think it should be prominently available! I will readily admit that I am still very new at all this, and am still pretty overwhelmed, so it's very possible that I missed it! Again, many thanks! >> >> A Most Grateful Desi > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lavendar at bell.net Thu Mar 17 20:59:29 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 16:59:29 -0400 Subject: Just joined this list. In-Reply-To: <32D4A82B-F198-4F3C-9E5A-2BB98CCD7164@sent.com> References: <32D4A82B-F198-4F3C-9E5A-2BB98CCD7164@sent.com> Message-ID: Good to see you over here, Kawal! Cait On 2011-03-15, at 7:14 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > Hi. > > Thought I'd introduce myself and say that I've just joined this list after being on Macvisionaries for almost a year. > > I live in the UK and have a Mac Book pro which I purchased from the US last year. Some may know me from that list. > > Kawal. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com Thu Mar 17 21:07:40 2011 From: kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com (Kawal Gucukoglu) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 21:07:40 +0000 Subject: Just joined this list. In-Reply-To: References: <32D4A82B-F198-4F3C-9E5A-2BB98CCD7164@sent.com> Message-ID: Great thanks. On 17 Mar 2011, at 20:59, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Good to see you over here, Kawal! > > Cait > > On 2011-03-15, at 7:14 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > >> Hi. >> >> Thought I'd introduce myself and say that I've just joined this list after being on Macvisionaries for almost a year. >> >> I live in the UK and have a Mac Book pro which I purchased from the US last year. Some may know me from that list. >> >> Kawal. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From anne at anarchie.org.uk Thu Mar 17 21:09:18 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:09:18 +0100 Subject: short cut keys for mac, was In-Reply-To: References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <38726A25-5FDF-4473-B10F-C5EA376BA213@anarchie.org.uk> Hello Caitlyn, You can find short cuts in two places essentially: the menus for each application (where the short cut is announced after the name of the menu item; and in System Preferences. System Preferences is also where you go to add a short cut of your own. These short cuts are to be found in the Keyboard pane where you will find the Short cuts tab. Here, there are two tables. The first one is where you select the category of short cut, and the second shows the short cuts for the chosen category. If there are short cuts that don't suit you, you can change them to something you prefer. You can also disable short cuts that you never want to use and that might be activated by accident, such as Command-Space bar. Have fun! Cheers, Anne On 17 Mar 2011, at 21:51, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Hi Ann, > > Where does a person go to get a list of "regular mac shortcut keys? What you are saying makes a lot of sense to me! I've only been using my new mac for a couple of dedicated days now, and the hints are already driving me nutty! lol! > > Thanks! > > Caitlyn > > On 2011-03-15, at 6:58 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > >> Hello Desi, >> >> I'm an old Mac user going back about 15 years so I do things the standard Mac way rather than the VO way. >> >> The hints drive me insane because I often disagree with them. I teach people to use Return to select menu items because, should they find themselves with no VoiceOver for some reason, there's a lot they can accomplish without speech or Braille if they know how. >> >> So I teach first letter navigation to find menu items or files or whatever, and standard Mac short cuts such as Control-F2 to open the Apple menu, Control-F3 to go to the Dock and Control-F8 to go to the Status menus. >> >> There are lots more short cuts like these which haven't changed in years. I don't know who dreamed up the idea of always using VO-Space bar to do everything but they certainly didn't ask my opinion! >> >> Rant over. >> >> Enjoy your new Mac. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >> On 15 Mar 2011, at 23:21, Desi Noller wrote: >> >>> Hi Anne, >>> >>> Thank you so much! I'll make sure to do it that way from now on! It does seem like that should be something that should be fixed in VoiceOver though, because of course, the verbal hint is to use VO-Space to open the application. Is this information written somewhere? I ask only because I don't remember noticing it, but I would think it should be prominently available! I will readily admit that I am still very new at all this, and am still pretty overwhelmed, so it's very possible that I missed it! Again, many thanks! >>> >>> A Most Grateful Desi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lavendar at bell.net Thu Mar 17 21:25:09 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:25:09 -0400 Subject: Take control books In-Reply-To: References: <01E4F41E-1365-4684-A35B-559E929DBF91@me.com> Message-ID: Ok, I'm feeling a bit thick today.. I've asked about the take control books before, and possibley Lynn answered already and the email got lost in my great pc crash which finally made me go buy my wonderful mac, but where do I go to buy the books? And, where do I go to get a complete list of the titles available? I've been to the mac access.net site, and didn't see any mention of them.. Maybe my safari is broken?(just joking!) Thanks! Cait On 2011-03-15, at 8:06 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello William > > On 14 Mar 2011, at 20:34, William Mutch wrote: > > We are glad you found the process to your liking. We also encourage others to make the most of a good thing; it may not last forever. > > On yes, and let's not forget the part Travis has played in this. > > Gordon > > Hi, Last week I purchased my first Take Control books from mac-access. I always thought that these books were good value when I bought several of their titles before I joined this list. Now that these books are available at a big discount they are simply too good not to read. > If any of the list members have never tried them I would encourage then to try at least one. Lynne and Gordon make buying books a easy and safe process. Thanks to them and I look forward to many hours of of enjoyable and informative reading. > > Regards > William Mutch > Aberdeen > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From desiandcandy at q.com Thu Mar 17 21:36:56 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 14:36:56 -0700 Subject: iTunes Confusion Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Maybe those of you who have been using the Mac for awhile can clear something up for me. I seem to be somewhat brain dead when it comes to understanding how iTunes works. Presently, whenever I add something, for instance, a podcast, or an internet radio station, or if I import a CD, it all shows up in my sources table under library music playlist. How do I get radio stations to appear in the radio category, CD's and other songs in my music category and so forth? Maybe I have to set some preference differently? Any help would be most appreciated! Desi From simon at scavendish.co.uk Thu Mar 17 22:06:00 2011 From: simon at scavendish.co.uk (Simon Cavendish) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:06:00 +0000 Subject: iTunes Confusion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: DEsi, this is just a quick reply from somebody who does not know that much. I think whatever you import always ends up in the music library. I found it a pain too. I've learntt little by little and painfully that when you find your items, and then having interacted with the list of your music library, and having focused your voiceover on the item, you press vo+shift+m to brin up contextual menu. Therein you will find "get info" item. In the dialog pain that will open, you can specify the gendre of the item and it will automatically move to the approapriate category. I'vew never done it with radio stations so my experience there is limited but I have done it with imported audiobooks. Itunes takes a little time to get used to but all in all I love it. Hope this will help a little. Simon On 17 Mar 2011, at 21:36, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Maybe those of you who have been using the Mac for awhile can clear something up for me. I seem to be somewhat brain dead when it comes to understanding how iTunes works. Presently, whenever I add something, for instance, a podcast, or an internet radio station, or if I import a CD, it all shows up in my sources table under library music playlist. How do I get radio stations to appear in the radio category, CD's and other songs in my music category and so forth? Maybe I have to set some preference differently? Any help would be most appreciated! > > Desi > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Mar 17 22:43:12 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 22:43:12 +0000 Subject: Take control books In-Reply-To: References: <01E4F41E-1365-4684-A35B-559E929DBF91@me.com> Message-ID: <415086B9-8D7A-411E-9E7C-DCA70A714FC0@mac-access.net> Hello First, to get a listing of all titles, visit then, to arrange purchase, contact and Lynne will sort you out. Gordon On 17 Mar 2011, at 21:25, Caitlyn Furness wrote: Ok, I'm feeling a bit thick today.. I've asked about the take control books before, and possibley Lynn answered already and the email got lost in my great pc crash which finally made me go buy my wonderful mac, but where do I go to buy the books? And, where do I go to get a complete list of the titles available? I've been to the mac access.net site, and didn't see any mention of them.. Maybe my safari is broken?(just joking!) Thanks! Cait On 2011-03-15, at 8:06 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello William > > On 14 Mar 2011, at 20:34, William Mutch wrote: > > We are glad you found the process to your liking. We also encourage others to make the most of a good thing; it may not last forever. > > On yes, and let's not forget the part Travis has played in this. > > Gordon > > Hi, Last week I purchased my first Take Control books from mac-access. I always thought that these books were good value when I bought several of their titles before I joined this list. Now that these books are available at a big discount they are simply too good not to read. > If any of the list members have never tried them I would encourage then to try at least one. Lynne and Gordon make buying books a easy and safe process. Thanks to them and I look forward to many hours of of enjoyable and informative reading. > > Regards > William Mutch > Aberdeen > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lavendar at bell.net Fri Mar 18 00:09:22 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 20:09:22 -0400 Subject: taking college courses with the mac online or otherwise? In-Reply-To: <4160B5F9-0314-41C6-8555-9755CEBF014A@mac-access.net> References: <4160B5F9-0314-41C6-8555-9755CEBF014A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Justin, I can't answer directly about the mac just yet, and pages especially, but I am about to find out. I'm a grad student taking courses in clinical nutrition at a smaller school in Richmond BC. All my classes are online, but it's mostly a guided type study with deadlines and all the tests are on the web on the school's web site on a secure server which I have to log into. Up until this point, I've done this by scanning my texts with k1000, reading the required work with that, using the bookmark feature, making notes, etc, using my braille sense note taker, and then going online to the web site, logging in to the test site and taking the test(which has a time limit), using window eyes or nvda as the primery screen reader. Now that my pc is basically dead and I'm on the mac pretty much full time, I'll have to see how reading my texts in pages is, devise a new way to mark important places in them, and see how the web pages for tests is with safari is, although I have to admit it's a pretty straightforward type site, with standard radio buttons, lists, and that sort of thing. I haven't tried blackboard yet, but an upcoming course will have that as part of it. My school didn't know anything about accessability, but they've been great. I hope you have luck, and write privately if you want. Caitlyn On 2011-03-16, at 3:29 AM, Justin Mann wrote: > Hi all, > I am looking at the prospect of going back to school either online or via ground as we call it so I've been doing some research with the various disabled student service's departments of universities in my area and can't seem to get a straight answer. At this point, are there any accessibility issues with using things like blackboard and/or other course delivery systems on the mac? Is performing formatting functions for say a research paper doable in iWork without an issue? > Right now, I'm being told that if I don't use jaws, I will have no ability to make this work since Jaws is the most technologically advance screen-reader for what it is? *lol* Forgive me if this sounds rambling but I just want to make sure that I've not missed anything. > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From desiandcandy at q.com Fri Mar 18 01:41:35 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:41:35 -0700 Subject: iTunes Confusion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Simon, Thank you so much! This is most helpful! Do you, or does anyone else on list know of any reading material specific to iTunes and how it works with VoiceOver? I own the Braille manual put out by Apple, but the information there is quite brief. Or, maybe it's just that I am one of those people who needs things pounded into my head before I get them! Again, thanks so much! Desi On Mar 17, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: > DEsi, this is just a quick reply from somebody who does not know that much. I think whatever you import always ends up in the music library. I found it a pain too. I've learntt little by little and painfully that when you find your items, and then having interacted with the list of your music library, and having focused your voiceover on the item, you press vo+shift+m to brin up contextual menu. Therein you will find "get info" item. In the dialog pain that will open, you can specify the gendre of the item and it will automatically move to the approapriate category. I'vew never done it with radio stations so my experience there is limited but I have done it with imported audiobooks. > > Itunes takes a little time to get used to but all in all I love it. Hope this will help a little. > > Simon > On 17 Mar 2011, at 21:36, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> Maybe those of you who have been using the Mac for awhile can clear something up for me. I seem to be somewhat brain dead when it comes to understanding how iTunes works. Presently, whenever I add something, for instance, a podcast, or an internet radio station, or if I import a CD, it all shows up in my sources table under library music playlist. How do I get radio stations to appear in the radio category, CD's and other songs in my music category and so forth? Maybe I have to set some preference differently? Any help would be most appreciated! >> >> Desi >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 01:59:31 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 18:59:31 -0700 Subject: taking college courses with the mac online or otherwise? In-Reply-To: References: <4160B5F9-0314-41C6-8555-9755CEBF014A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <205E0437-A71A-4519-8507-B3A112DFF3A5@gmail.com> Godo luck using angel if htey do switch. I hear that is not accessibil at all wiht safari. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 17, 2011, at 5:09 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Justin, > > I can't answer directly about the mac just yet, and pages especially, but I am about to find out. > > I'm a grad student taking courses in clinical nutrition at a smaller school in Richmond BC. All my classes are online, but it's mostly a guided type study with deadlines and all the tests are on the web on the school's web site on a secure server which I have to log into. > > Up until this point, I've done this by scanning my texts with k1000, reading the required work with that, using the bookmark feature, making notes, etc, using my braille sense note taker, and then going online to the web site, logging in to the test site and taking the test(which has a time limit), using window eyes or nvda as the primery screen reader. > > Now that my pc is basically dead and I'm on the mac pretty much full time, I'll have to see how reading my texts in pages is, devise a new way to mark important places in them, and see how the web pages for tests is with safari is, although I have to admit it's a pretty straightforward type site, with standard radio buttons, lists, and that sort of thing. > > I haven't tried blackboard yet, but an upcoming course will have that as part of it. > > My school didn't know anything about accessability, but they've been great. I hope you have luck, and write privately if you want. > > Caitlyn > > On 2011-03-16, at 3:29 AM, Justin Mann wrote: > >> Hi all, >> I am looking at the prospect of going back to school either online or via ground as we call it so I've been doing some research with the various disabled student service's departments of universities in my area and can't seem to get a straight answer. At this point, are there any accessibility issues with using things like blackboard and/or other course delivery systems on the mac? Is performing formatting functions for say a research paper doable in iWork without an issue? >> Right now, I'm being told that if I don't use jaws, I will have no ability to make this work since Jaws is the most technologically advance screen-reader for what it is? *lol* Forgive me if this sounds rambling but I just want to make sure that I've not missed anything. >> Justin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 06:28:58 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:28:58 +0100 Subject: iTunes Confusion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6CF8EE84-6529-400E-8D96-8A5943617320@gmail.com> Hello Desi, Just to add to Simon's reply. You do not have to go to the contextual menu to get this information, nor change it. Simply use the standard command to get info for most files in most applications, which is Command-I. That will bring up the exact same dialog if you have focus on a file. Also, interacting with any table is not necessary to move down it. Even if you interact with it and select a particular column to avoid hearing all the other columns being spoken, you can still use down-arrow on its own when you move with VO-left and right between columns. In fact, there are many ways of doing the same things in Mac OS X which aren't readily apparent, probably, and this is just one of them. I always recommend people use the native mac OS X methods so that you can accomplish functions on your Mac even if you somehow lose speech or braille. It's handy on occasion, though it certainly doesn't mean people should use it if they don't feel comfortable with it. I did not even know Apple had braille manuals. That having been said, it may or may not be the same iTunes information found by hitting COmmand-Questionmark and reading through the iTunes help index. I've always found iTunes pretty self-explanatory, but you may want to give that a go in case it's outdated information in that manual. Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Mar 18, 2011, at 2:41 AM, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Simon, > > Thank you so much! This is most helpful! Do you, or does anyone else on list know of any reading material specific to iTunes and how it works with VoiceOver? I own the Braille manual put out by Apple, but the information there is quite brief. Or, maybe it's just that I am one of those people who needs things pounded into my head before I get them! Again, thanks so much! > > Desi > > > > On Mar 17, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: > >> DEsi, this is just a quick reply from somebody who does not know that much. I think whatever you import always ends up in the music library. I found it a pain too. I've learntt little by little and painfully that when you find your items, and then having interacted with the list of your music library, and having focused your voiceover on the item, you press vo+shift+m to brin up contextual menu. Therein you will find "get info" item. In the dialog pain that will open, you can specify the gendre of the item and it will automatically move to the approapriate category. I'vew never done it with radio stations so my experience there is limited but I have done it with imported audiobooks. >> >> Itunes takes a little time to get used to but all in all I love it. Hope this will help a little. >> >> Simon >> On 17 Mar 2011, at 21:36, Desi Noller wrote: >> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> Maybe those of you who have been using the Mac for awhile can clear something up for me. I seem to be somewhat brain dead when it comes to understanding how iTunes works. Presently, whenever I add something, for instance, a podcast, or an internet radio station, or if I import a CD, it all shows up in my sources table under library music playlist. How do I get radio stations to appear in the radio category, CD's and other songs in my music category and so forth? Maybe I have to set some preference differently? Any help would be most appreciated! >>> >>> Desi From harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk Fri Mar 18 10:45:57 2011 From: harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk (Ian Harrison) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:45:57 +0000 Subject: Pages and Numbers Message-ID: <0BBF3B5C-A2D0-4FE1-BFE2-112F284814B6@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Hi to all, I am thinking of buying these as I cannot read excel spreadsheets and word docs in microsoft office. Are both of the above able to open and read microsoft documents and save anything I do in xls and doc formats? HHow easy are they to learn if you are used to the world of MS Office? With thanks Ian From harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk Fri Mar 18 10:47:26 2011 From: harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk (Ian Harrison) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:47:26 +0000 Subject: Instapaper again Message-ID: <6319896E-D6A9-40BE-8CEF-2A860D265AE1@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Hello to all, Can anyone tell me briefly what the above can do and how accessible the app is? With thanks Ian From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri Mar 18 15:36:51 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:36:51 -0500 Subject: ipad 2 teardown by ifixit Message-ID: <1A20EA22-8339-44F6-B284-3A72D503024D@softcon.com> http://createsend.ifixit.com/t/r/l/jldiuht/tltdjyihh/t/ Apparently, the ipad2 doesn't use tabs like the original ipad to hold the screen in place, it uses adhesive (lots of it) instead. Find out what the ifixit team found when they did a teardown on the new ipad 2. This is very interesting reading. From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Mar 18 16:02:59 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:02:59 +0000 Subject: MobileMe Renewal Hell Message-ID: Hi gang, Do any of you have mobileme accounts? Have any of you had to renew your mobile me account and update your credit card details after your current card expires? I have just received an email from Mobileme informing me that my subscription is due for renewal and that I need to update my card details or my account and its contents will be deleted. So I thought ok let's wrestle with the pretty much inaccessible mobileme website. Anyway with a bit of playing around I managed to get to the appropriate page to amend my payment details and just as I arrived at the end of the form I was hit with a screen capture. Yes Apple has one! And no, there was no audio alternative. As there was no one sighted nearby I thought hmmm I will just have to call Apple. I rang Apple and had an argument with their automated voice recognition system and eventually got put through to a real person, who then had to put me through to another real person, who then had to put me through to a different real person. The final real person could not really help me but offered to log onto the mobile me website and clicked on the mobileme chat technical support link. So I am passing details down the phone and this guy is then typing them into a chat window and the 3 of us are going back and forth. Eventually technical support guy on the other side of the chat window came back and said he was unable to accept any payment details over the chat window. So as you can see it was a waste of time and mobileme do not appear to have a telephone either. So apart from getting a real person in the flesh with eyes that work to help you update the inaccessible website, I can't see how a blind user is going to complete this process themselves. Great service Apple, and I hope Lion makes mobileme more accessible or I will take my business elsewhere. Chris *in a huff and not amused :( From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Mar 18 16:02:59 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:02:59 +0000 Subject: MobileMe Renewal Hell Message-ID: Hi gang, Do any of you have mobileme accounts? Have any of you had to renew your mobile me account and update your credit card details after your current card expires? I have just received an email from Mobileme informing me that my subscription is due for renewal and that I need to update my card details or my account and its contents will be deleted. So I thought ok let's wrestle with the pretty much inaccessible mobileme website. Anyway with a bit of playing around I managed to get to the appropriate page to amend my payment details and just as I arrived at the end of the form I was hit with a screen capture. Yes Apple has one! And no, there was no audio alternative. As there was no one sighted nearby I thought hmmm I will just have to call Apple. I rang Apple and had an argument with their automated voice recognition system and eventually got put through to a real person, who then had to put me through to another real person, who then had to put me through to a different real person. The final real person could not really help me but offered to log onto the mobile me website and clicked on the mobileme chat technical support link. So I am passing details down the phone and this guy is then typing them into a chat window and the 3 of us are going back and forth. Eventually technical support guy on the other side of the chat window came back and said he was unable to accept any payment details over the chat window. So as you can see it was a waste of time and mobileme do not appear to have a telephone either. So apart from getting a real person in the flesh with eyes that work to help you update the inaccessible website, I can't see how a blind user is going to complete this process themselves. Great service Apple, and I hope Lion makes mobileme more accessible or I will take my business elsewhere. Chris *in a huff and not amused :( From moriond at mac.com Fri Mar 18 17:03:29 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:03:29 -1000 Subject: MobileMe Renewal Hell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FCB69FE-D539-435B-8D69-AA205088BAA2@mac.com> Hi Chris, What I've done is take my MobileMe account off annual renewal by unchecking the automatically renew option. Then I order the box set from Amazon, e.g.: http://www.amazon.com/MobileMe-Individual-OLD-VERSION-Apple/dp/B0048YGFSU or http://www.amazon.com/Apple-MC660Z-A-Mobileme-Individual/dp/B003TLJUJE/ usually at a price around $70, but sometimes as low as $52. The box comes with a stickered label on a booklet or card that gives the activation code. Just OCR it and then paste in the activation code in the text box when you log into the activation page at: https://secure.me.com/wo/WebObjects/Signup.woa/wa/activation The web page will prompt you with: "If you have a box, look for the activation key printed on the card inside." Paste the activation key into the text box. Then navigate past the option for creating a new account to the second option, where VoiceOver prompt you with: "Apply to an existing account clickable". VO-Space on this to "Renew your subscription or convert your trial or family member sub account to a full subscription". Then proceed to the continue button (which is labeled with something like "btn_continue.png") and press it (VO-Space). The http://www.macintouch.com web site used to have direct links to the Amazon box set purchase pages and also to the activation page, but I had to Google this. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Mar 18, 2011, at 06:02, Chris Moore wrote: > Hi gang, > > Do any of you have mobileme accounts? Have any of you had to renew your mobile me account and update your credit card details after your current card expires? > > I have just received an email from Mobileme informing me that my subscription is due for renewal and that I need to update my card details or my account and its contents will be deleted. So I thought ok let's wrestle with the pretty much inaccessible mobileme website. Anyway with a bit of playing around I managed to get to the appropriate page to amend my payment details and just as I arrived at the end of the form I was hit with a screen capture. Yes Apple has one! And no, there was no audio alternative. As there was no one sighted nearby I thought hmmm I will just have to call Apple. > > I rang Apple and had an argument with their automated voice recognition system and eventually got put through to a real person, who then had to put me through to another real person, who then had to put me through to a different real person. The final real person could not really help me but offered to log onto the mobile me website and clicked on the mobileme chat technical support link. So I am passing details down the phone and this guy is then typing them into a chat window and the 3 of us are going back and forth. Eventually technical support guy on the other side of the chat window came back and said he was unable to accept any payment details over the chat window. > > So as you can see it was a waste of time and mobileme do not appear to have a telephone either. So apart from getting a real person in the flesh with eyes that work to help you update the inaccessible website, I can't see how a blind user is going to complete this process themselves. > > Great service Apple, and I hope Lion makes mobileme more accessible or I will take my business elsewhere. > > Chris > *in a huff and not amused :( From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Mar 18 17:09:24 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:09:24 +0000 Subject: MobileMe Renewal Hell In-Reply-To: <1FCB69FE-D539-435B-8D69-AA205088BAA2@mac.com> References: <1FCB69FE-D539-435B-8D69-AA205088BAA2@mac.com> Message-ID: <69118F4F-CDDA-476A-AED3-2B6F15B3931D@blueyonder.co.uk> Thanks Esther, that is a really thorough tip as always. I thought Apple stopped selling the box sets though? i will take a look and see if Amazon still sell them, as you never know it might work out cheaper that way too. :) Thank you as always Chris *PLaces tip into the Esther hot tips folder On 18 Mar 2011, at 17:03, Esther wrote: > Hi Chris, > > What I've done is take my MobileMe account off annual renewal by unchecking the automatically renew option. Then I order the box set from Amazon, e.g.: > http://www.amazon.com/MobileMe-Individual-OLD-VERSION-Apple/dp/B0048YGFSU > or > http://www.amazon.com/Apple-MC660Z-A-Mobileme-Individual/dp/B003TLJUJE/ > usually at a price around $70, but sometimes as low as $52. The box comes with a stickered label on a booklet or card that gives the activation code. Just OCR it and then paste in the activation code in the text box when you log into the activation page at: > https://secure.me.com/wo/WebObjects/Signup.woa/wa/activation > The web page will prompt you with: > "If you have a box, look for the activation key printed on the card inside." > Paste the activation key into the text box. Then navigate past the option for creating a new account to the second option, where VoiceOver prompt you with: "Apply to an existing account clickable". VO-Space on this to "Renew your subscription or convert your trial or family member sub account to a full subscription". Then proceed to the continue button (which is labeled with something like "btn_continue.png") and press it (VO-Space). > > The http://www.macintouch.com web site used to have direct links to the Amazon box set purchase pages and also to the activation page, but I had to Google this. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > > On Mar 18, 2011, at 06:02, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Hi gang, >> >> Do any of you have mobileme accounts? Have any of you had to renew your mobile me account and update your credit card details after your current card expires? >> >> I have just received an email from Mobileme informing me that my subscription is due for renewal and that I need to update my card details or my account and its contents will be deleted. So I thought ok let's wrestle with the pretty much inaccessible mobileme website. Anyway with a bit of playing around I managed to get to the appropriate page to amend my payment details and just as I arrived at the end of the form I was hit with a screen capture. Yes Apple has one! And no, there was no audio alternative. As there was no one sighted nearby I thought hmmm I will just have to call Apple. >> >> I rang Apple and had an argument with their automated voice recognition system and eventually got put through to a real person, who then had to put me through to another real person, who then had to put me through to a different real person. The final real person could not really help me but offered to log onto the mobile me website and clicked on the mobileme chat technical support link. So I am passing details down the phone and this guy is then typing them into a chat window and the 3 of us are going back and forth. Eventually technical support guy on the other side of the chat window came back and said he was unable to accept any payment details over the chat window. >> >> So as you can see it was a waste of time and mobileme do not appear to have a telephone either. So apart from getting a real person in the flesh with eyes that work to help you update the inaccessible website, I can't see how a blind user is going to complete this process themselves. >> >> Great service Apple, and I hope Lion makes mobileme more accessible or I will take my business elsewhere. >> >> Chris >> *in a huff and not amused :( > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lavendar at bell.net Fri Mar 18 17:10:40 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:10:40 -0400 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Can you use these with voiceover? Hope this isn't a dumb question.. Thanks, Caitlyn On 2011-03-16, at 5:20 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Anybody know whether the problems in these voices have been fixed? > > I need to download voices for other platforms so I thought I might as well update my OSX voices also. I'm more than happy with iVox, but sometimes it is useful to have multiple active voices especially now while my Braille display is in hospital. The only other British voices I am aware of for OSX is Cepstral, so I thought I would give it another spin since I already have licenses for all of the English voices anyway, both US English and UK (British) English. > > Gordon > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 17:13:36 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:13:36 +0100 Subject: MobileMe Renewal Hell In-Reply-To: <69118F4F-CDDA-476A-AED3-2B6F15B3931D@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <1FCB69FE-D539-435B-8D69-AA205088BAA2@mac.com> <69118F4F-CDDA-476A-AED3-2B6F15B3931D@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E11C279-176F-46E2-BBBD-1A8CE860FD6B@gmail.com> Hi, That was actually my impression too, given the revamp that is supposedly coming soon enough. That's part of why I'm waiting,really. There are some rumors of at least some features becoming free, though I think there is an event coming up April that probably talks about MobileMe as well as iOS 5. Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Mar 18, 2011, at 6:09 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > Thanks Esther, that is a really thorough tip as always. I thought Apple stopped selling the box sets though? i will take a look and see if Amazon still sell them, as you never know it might work out cheaper that way too. :) > > Thank you as always > > Chris > > *PLaces tip into the Esther hot tips folder > > > On 18 Mar 2011, at 17:03, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Chris, >> >> What I've done is take my MobileMe account off annual renewal by unchecking the automatically renew option. Then I order the box set from Amazon, e.g.: >> http://www.amazon.com/MobileMe-Individual-OLD-VERSION-Apple/dp/B0048YGFSU >> or >> http://www.amazon.com/Apple-MC660Z-A-Mobileme-Individual/dp/B003TLJUJE/ >> usually at a price around $70, but sometimes as low as $52. The box comes with a stickered label on a booklet or card that gives the activation code. Just OCR it and then paste in the activation code in the text box when you log into the activation page at: >> https://secure.me.com/wo/WebObjects/Signup.woa/wa/activation >> The web page will prompt you with: >> "If you have a box, look for the activation key printed on the card inside." >> Paste the activation key into the text box. Then navigate past the option for creating a new account to the second option, where VoiceOver prompt you with: "Apply to an existing account clickable". VO-Space on this to "Renew your subscription or convert your trial or family member sub account to a full subscription". Then proceed to the continue button (which is labeled with something like "btn_continue.png") and press it (VO-Space). >> >> The http://www.macintouch.com web site used to have direct links to the Amazon box set purchase pages and also to the activation page, but I had to Google this. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> >> On Mar 18, 2011, at 06:02, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Hi gang, >>> >>> Do any of you have mobileme accounts? Have any of you had to renew your mobile me account and update your credit card details after your current card expires? >>> >>> I have just received an email from Mobileme informing me that my subscription is due for renewal and that I need to update my card details or my account and its contents will be deleted. So I thought ok let's wrestle with the pretty much inaccessible mobileme website. Anyway with a bit of playing around I managed to get to the appropriate page to amend my payment details and just as I arrived at the end of the form I was hit with a screen capture. Yes Apple has one! And no, there was no audio alternative. As there was no one sighted nearby I thought hmmm I will just have to call Apple. >>> >>> I rang Apple and had an argument with their automated voice recognition system and eventually got put through to a real person, who then had to put me through to another real person, who then had to put me through to a different real person. The final real person could not really help me but offered to log onto the mobile me website and clicked on the mobileme chat technical support link. So I am passing details down the phone and this guy is then typing them into a chat window and the 3 of us are going back and forth. Eventually technical support guy on the other side of the chat window came back and said he was unable to accept any payment details over the chat window. >>> >>> So as you can see it was a waste of time and mobileme do not appear to have a telephone either. So apart from getting a real person in the flesh with eyes that work to help you update the inaccessible website, I can't see how a blind user is going to complete this process themselves. >>> >>> Great service Apple, and I hope Lion makes mobileme more accessible or I will take my business elsewhere. >>> >>> Chris >>> *in a huff and not amused :( >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Mar 17 17:15:28 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 17:15:28 +0000 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <46ACD73E-624B-4018-BD91-75AF3B07157A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <2D94EC21-AE1B-4A91-9A04-5AE30E459223@computing.dcu.ie> Gordon, those iVox voices. Are their demos available do you know? On 17 Mar 2011, at 16:28, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Chris > > I agree, Fred is awful and so are the rest of the old Apple voices. Things are getting better though and I still maintain that Infovox is the best synthetic voice suite on this planet. Especially Rachel who reads with a clarity unmatched, let alone unsurpassed, by any other synthesised voice anywhere. > > I must send you a demo of iVox if you haven't heard it. I think you'll change your mind about things. :) > > Gordon > > On 17 Mar 2011, at 15:46, Chris Moore wrote: > > Really? Man I just can't listen to those 1980s old Macintosh voices, they are so bad and i personally fined them hard to understand. I absolutely love Alex, and with 4gb of RAM he seems fine. I can listen to him pretty fast too I like the real sounding voices if I need to listen to large documents. But overall, Alex does it for me. I guess its a matter of what you are used to and I am fairly new to the TTS world. I guess you have been listening to those other voices for much longer and have got used to them. I don't even think the JAWS voice is too bad now, does quack a lot though (or is he saying blank?) :) > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From moriond at mac.com Fri Mar 18 17:46:35 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:46:35 -1000 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: <2D94EC21-AE1B-4A91-9A04-5AE30E459223@computing.dcu.ie> References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <46ACD73E-624B-4018-BD91-75AF3B07157A@mac-access.net> <2D94EC21-AE1B-4A91-9A04-5AE30E459223@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <1B5D365C-C26D-404A-AF44-A5D5CA7744A8@mac.com> Hi D?nal, Try the Assistiveware site page for the voice samples: http://www.assistiveware.com/ivoxsamples.php? You can also hear these voices in iPhone apps. I have Speak It!, which lets you read copied text files (and save audio) in 4 of the Infovox voices. The basic app ($1.99) from Future Apps, Inc. comes with Heather (U.S.), Graham (U.K.), Lucy (U.K.), and Ryan (U.S.). You can buy additional voices through in-app purchase for $0.99 each. I mostly used this on the iPad before the language rotor got working to read text in other languages (French, Russian, etc.) ? Speak It! Text to Speech ($1.99) by FutureApps is available internationally at the iTunes Store: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/speak-it-text-to-speech/id308629295?mt=8 The other source of text to speech voices that I liked (on the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad) are from Loquendo -- again, mainly for the other languages (very nice male Russian voice and a nice Chinese voice). These aren't available on the Mac as far as I know, but there's a free app called iTranslate - free Translator for the iPad that uses the Loquendo voices: ? iTranslate - free Translator (free, iPad only) by Sonico GmbH http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/itranslate-free-translator/id397730127?mt=8 There are included voices to speak the text (original or translated) for English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. These are the Loquendo voices. The Russian voice is the female voice (Olga, not Dmitry), but quite good. There's no counterpart to the iPad version on the iPhone or iPod Touch, and the iPad version doesn't have the current bug for the iTranslate and iTranslate Pro apps on the iPhone and iPod Touch, where the language isn't announced on the picker wheel as you move it, but can only be checked when you move back to the main page. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Mar 17, 2011, at 07:15, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Gordon, those iVox voices. Are their demos available do you know? > On 17 Mar 2011, at 16:28, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Chris >> >> I agree, Fred is awful and so are the rest of the old Apple voices. Things are getting better though and I still maintain that Infovox is the best synthetic voice suite on this planet. Especially Rachel who reads with a clarity unmatched, let alone unsurpassed, by any other synthesised voice anywhere. >> >> I must send you a demo of iVox if you haven't heard it. I think you'll change your mind about things. :) >> >> Gordon >> >> On 17 Mar 2011, at 15:46, Chris Moore wrote: >> >> Really? Man I just can't listen to those 1980s old Macintosh voices, they are so bad and i personally fined them hard to understand. I absolutely love Alex, and with 4gb of RAM he seems fine. I can listen to him pretty fast too I like the real sounding voices if I need to listen to large documents. But overall, Alex does it for me. I guess its a matter of what you are used to and I am fairly new to the TTS world. I guess you have been listening to those other voices for much longer and have got used to them. I don't even think the JAWS voice is too bad now, does quack a lot though (or is he saying blank?) :) >> >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri Mar 18 17:50:42 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:50:42 -0500 Subject: MobileMe Renewal Hell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4ECA3BC7-656A-4750-884D-C1221F2DE5AD@softcon.com> This is precisely why I no longer have a mobile me account. The ability to renew on your own w/o sighted assistance has been around since it was mac.com. I informed apple I would not be renewing because it wasn't possible to do so w/o sighted assistance. I do have sighted assistance, but the point is, it shouldn't be necessary. Apple didn't care then, and apperently, still don't. I'd not bother giving them another chance, there's plenty of other places you can get web hosting and idisk type services. (mac- access.net being one of them) so it's really not necessary to use apple's offerings anyhow. Take your business elsewhere, and let them know why you did. Perhaps if enough of us jump ship, they'll actually do something about it. From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 17:51:22 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:51:22 +0100 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: <1B5D365C-C26D-404A-AF44-A5D5CA7744A8@mac.com> References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <46ACD73E-624B-4018-BD91-75AF3B07157A@mac-access.net> <2D94EC21-AE1B-4A91-9A04-5AE30E459223@computing.dcu.ie> <1B5D365C-C26D-404A-AF44-A5D5CA7744A8@mac.com> Message-ID: <3AA0FC26-1630-4376-948C-6F6A5F14D459@gmail.com> Hi, One thing I believe Esther did not mention is that you are not limited to voice samples from the Assistiveware website. If you decide to dwonload, you can use the language for thirty days. The trials are based on the individual languages that you download, so even if one languages runs out you may still have a secondary trial available if you have not downloaded and install those simultaneously. Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Mar 18, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi D?nal, > > Try the Assistiveware site page for the voice samples: > http://www.assistiveware.com/ivoxsamples.php? > > You can also hear these voices in iPhone apps. I have Speak It!, which lets you read copied text files (and save audio) in 4 of the Infovox voices. The basic app ($1.99) from Future Apps, Inc. comes with Heather (U.S.), Graham (U.K.), Lucy (U.K.), and Ryan (U.S.). You can buy additional voices through in-app purchase for $0.99 each. I mostly used this on the iPad before the language rotor got working to read text in other languages (French, Russian, etc.) > > ? Speak It! Text to Speech ($1.99) by FutureApps is available internationally at the iTunes Store: > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/speak-it-text-to-speech/id308629295?mt=8 > > The other source of text to speech voices that I liked (on the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad) are from Loquendo -- again, mainly for the other languages (very nice male Russian voice and a nice Chinese voice). These aren't available on the Mac as far as I know, but there's a free app called iTranslate - free Translator for the iPad that uses the Loquendo voices: > ? iTranslate - free Translator (free, iPad only) by Sonico GmbH > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/itranslate-free-translator/id397730127?mt=8 > > There are included voices to speak the text (original or translated) for English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. These are the Loquendo voices. The Russian voice is the female voice (Olga, not Dmitry), but quite good. There's no counterpart to the iPad version on the iPhone or iPod Touch, and the iPad version doesn't have the current bug for the iTranslate and iTranslate Pro apps on the iPhone and iPod Touch, where the language isn't announced on the picker wheel as you move it, but can only be checked when you move back to the main page. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Mar 17, 2011, at 07:15, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Gordon, those iVox voices. Are their demos available do you know? >> On 17 Mar 2011, at 16:28, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi Chris >>> >>> I agree, Fred is awful and so are the rest of the old Apple voices. Things are getting better though and I still maintain that Infovox is the best synthetic voice suite on this planet. Especially Rachel who reads with a clarity unmatched, let alone unsurpassed, by any other synthesised voice anywhere. >>> >>> I must send you a demo of iVox if you haven't heard it. I think you'll change your mind about things. :) >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> On 17 Mar 2011, at 15:46, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>> Really? Man I just can't listen to those 1980s old Macintosh voices, they are so bad and i personally fined them hard to understand. I absolutely love Alex, and with 4gb of RAM he seems fine. I can listen to him pretty fast too I like the real sounding voices if I need to listen to large documents. But overall, Alex does it for me. I guess its a matter of what you are used to and I am fairly new to the TTS world. I guess you have been listening to those other voices for much longer and have got used to them. I don't even think the JAWS voice is too bad now, does quack a lot though (or is he saying blank?) :) >>> >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Fri Mar 18 18:05:05 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 08:05:05 -1000 Subject: MobileMe Renewal Hell In-Reply-To: <69118F4F-CDDA-476A-AED3-2B6F15B3931D@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <1FCB69FE-D539-435B-8D69-AA205088BAA2@mac.com> <69118F4F-CDDA-476A-AED3-2B6F15B3931D@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Chris, Nic, and Others, Apple has stopped selling new box sets, so you may not be able to get them directly from the Apple Store any more, but you can still pick them up from other vendors. The links I supplied were from a search of the U.S. Amazon store that I made just before posting a reply. You'll find descriptions of "older" product versions for some of the entries. This doesn't matter for renewing your membership; the 16-character activation code that you OCR will still work. The only thing I've heard reported from different web sites is that you can't apply this renewal too far in advance -- it only really works when you are close to the time your subscription is about to expire (perhaps within the month before?) so you can stockpile box sets and do multi-year renewals in advance. Since you've paid for the box with a year's MobileMe service, they don't worry about your current credit card. Hope this explains things. It's been several months since I did the last renewal, so I had to look some things up. As I recall, you supply the log in for your MobileMe account, and then you can check that the account status has been updated so the new expiration date is set a year later. Incidentally, your post reminded me of another app called "Dial Zero", which one reviewer billed as "The best app for reaching a human being" that was basically a database of the best customer service numbers to use for over 600 major companies, and the number sequences you need to press in order to reach a human operator in the shortest amount of time, with minimal exposure to annoying voice prompts. This is quite old, now, and I don't think it has been updated (maybe since 2008?). But the original web site it is based on is: http://gethuman.com/ The web site grew out of an individual's campaign to do something to cut through the endless wait in customer help phone support, particularly the delays due to automated voice services that would direct you to listen to menus and punch in the next button. While there is extensive coverage of the companies in the U.S., data base coverage of other countries like Canada, the U.K., and Australia, is less complete, You can read the original story of one man's efforts to produce a phone guide to the customer service systems of major companies that gives you the quickest way to reach a human at this NPR Morning Edition web page, ("Phone Guide is a Real Customer Service" by Paul English, November 23, 2005): http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5024153 The page has a transcript of the episode, or you can get the mp3 file of the radio program from the download link. It might cheer you up a bit -- or at least give you a laugh. Cheers, Esther On Mar 18, 2011, at 07:09, Chris Moore wrote: > Thanks Esther, that is a really thorough tip as always. I thought Apple stopped selling the box sets though? i will take a look and see if Amazon still sell them, as you never know it might work out cheaper that way too. :) > > Thank you as always > > Chris > > *PLaces tip into the Esther hot tips folder > > > On 18 Mar 2011, at 17:03, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Chris, >> >> What I've done is take my MobileMe account off annual renewal by unchecking the automatically renew option. Then I order the box set from Amazon, e.g.: >> http://www.amazon.com/MobileMe-Individual-OLD-VERSION-Apple/dp/B0048YGFSU >> or >> http://www.amazon.com/Apple-MC660Z-A-Mobileme-Individual/dp/B003TLJUJE/ >> usually at a price around $70, but sometimes as low as $52. The box comes with a stickered label on a booklet or card that gives the activation code. Just OCR it and then paste in the activation code in the text box when you log into the activation page at: >> https://secure.me.com/wo/WebObjects/Signup.woa/wa/activation >> The web page will prompt you with: >> "If you have a box, look for the activation key printed on the card inside." >> Paste the activation key into the text box. Then navigate past the option for creating a new account to the second option, where VoiceOver prompt you with: "Apply to an existing account clickable". VO-Space on this to "Renew your subscription or convert your trial or family member sub account to a full subscription". Then proceed to the continue button (which is labeled with something like "btn_continue.png") and press it (VO-Space). >> >> The http://www.macintouch.com web site used to have direct links to the Amazon box set purchase pages and also to the activation page, but I had to Google this. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> From abreier at kc.rr.com Fri Mar 18 18:20:37 2011 From: abreier at kc.rr.com (Andrea Breier) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:20:37 -0500 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net><46ACD73E-624B-4018-BD91-75AF3B07157A@mac-access.net><2D94EC21-AE1B-4A91-9A04-5AE30E459223@computing.dcu.ie> <1B5D365C-C26D-404A-AF44-A5D5CA7744A8@mac.com> Message-ID: <2631E2DC1950443ABB4784E898CFFE37@andrea78cdd59a> I haven't checked this out yet. I thought you might at least be interested in listening to them. My best regards to you all, Andrea M. Breier Spread the laughter Share the cheer Let's be happy While we're here! NET SECURITY: When forwarding email messages please consider your obligation to erase all names and email addresses. And send the message by using BCC (Blind Copy) and you will avoid spammers and viruses on the net. Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Cepstral Voices v5 Hi D?nal, Try the Assistiveware site page for the voice samples: http://www.assistiveware.com/ivoxsamples.php? You can also hear these voices in iPhone apps. I have Speak It!, which lets you read copied text files (and save audio) in 4 of the Infovox voices. The basic app ($1.99) from Future Apps, Inc. comes with Heather (U.S.), Graham (U.K.), Lucy (U.K.), and Ryan (U.S.). You can buy additional voices through in-app purchase for $0.99 each. I mostly used this on the iPad before the language rotor got working to read text in other languages (French, Russian, etc.) ? Speak It! Text to Speech ($1.99) by FutureApps is available internationally at the iTunes Store: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/speak-it-text-to-speech/id308629295?mt=8 The other source of text to speech voices that I liked (on the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad) are from Loquendo -- again, mainly for the other languages (very nice male Russian voice and a nice Chinese voice). These aren't available on the Mac as far as I know, but there's a free app called iTranslate - free Translator for the iPad that uses the Loquendo voices: ? iTranslate - free Translator (free, iPad only) by Sonico GmbH http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/itranslate-free-translator/id397730127?mt=8 There are included voices to speak the text (original or translated) for English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. These are the Loquendo voices. The Russian voice is the female voice (Olga, not Dmitry), but quite good. There's no counterpart to the iPad version on the iPhone or iPod Touch, and the iPad version doesn't have the current bug for the iTranslate and iTranslate Pro apps on the iPhone and iPod Touch, where the language isn't announced on the picker wheel as you move it, but can only be checked when you move back to the main page. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Mar 17, 2011, at 07:15, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Gordon, those iVox voices. Are their demos available do you know? > On 17 Mar 2011, at 16:28, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Chris >> >> I agree, Fred is awful and so are the rest of the old Apple voices. >> Things are getting better though and I still maintain that Infovox is the >> best synthetic voice suite on this planet. Especially Rachel who reads >> with a clarity unmatched, let alone unsurpassed, by any other synthesised >> voice anywhere. >> >> I must send you a demo of iVox if you haven't heard it. I think you'll >> change your mind about things. :) >> >> Gordon >> >> On 17 Mar 2011, at 15:46, Chris Moore wrote: >> >> Really? Man I just can't listen to those 1980s old Macintosh voices, they >> are so bad and i personally fined them hard to understand. I absolutely >> love Alex, and with 4gb of RAM he seems fine. I can listen to him pretty >> fast too I like the real sounding voices if I need to listen to large >> documents. But overall, Alex does it for me. I guess its a matter of >> what you are used to and I am fairly new to the TTS world. I guess you >> have been listening to those other voices for much longer and have got >> used to them. I don't even think the JAWS voice is too bad now, does >> quack a lot though (or is he saying blank?) :) >> >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From abreier at kc.rr.com Fri Mar 18 18:24:33 2011 From: abreier at kc.rr.com (Andrea Breier) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 13:24:33 -0500 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net><46ACD73E-624B-4018-BD91-75AF3B07157A@mac-access.net><2D94EC21-AE1B-4A91-9A04-5AE30E459223@computing.dcu.ie> <1B5D365C-C26D-404A-AF44-A5D5CA7744A8@mac.com> Message-ID: <73DD4F7CA6FA4BAB90008AA01644F3E3@andrea78cdd59a> Sorry about the last post, I mint to forward it rather than reply to it. I have a friend that is always interested in other voice choices. My best regards to you all, Andrea M. Breier Spread the laughter Share the cheer Let's be happy While we're here! NET SECURITY: When forwarding email messages please consider your obligation to erase all names and email addresses. And send the message by using BCC (Blind Copy) and you will avoid spammers and viruses on the net. Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:46 PM Subject: Re: Cepstral Voices v5 Hi D?nal, Try the Assistiveware site page for the voice samples: http://www.assistiveware.com/ivoxsamples.php? You can also hear these voices in iPhone apps. I have Speak It!, which lets you read copied text files (and save audio) in 4 of the Infovox voices. The basic app ($1.99) from Future Apps, Inc. comes with Heather (U.S.), Graham (U.K.), Lucy (U.K.), and Ryan (U.S.). You can buy additional voices through in-app purchase for $0.99 each. I mostly used this on the iPad before the language rotor got working to read text in other languages (French, Russian, etc.) ? Speak It! Text to Speech ($1.99) by FutureApps is available internationally at the iTunes Store: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/speak-it-text-to-speech/id308629295?mt=8 The other source of text to speech voices that I liked (on the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad) are from Loquendo -- again, mainly for the other languages (very nice male Russian voice and a nice Chinese voice). These aren't available on the Mac as far as I know, but there's a free app called iTranslate - free Translator for the iPad that uses the Loquendo voices: ? iTranslate - free Translator (free, iPad only) by Sonico GmbH http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/itranslate-free-translator/id397730127?mt=8 There are included voices to speak the text (original or translated) for English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. These are the Loquendo voices. The Russian voice is the female voice (Olga, not Dmitry), but quite good. There's no counterpart to the iPad version on the iPhone or iPod Touch, and the iPad version doesn't have the current bug for the iTranslate and iTranslate Pro apps on the iPhone and iPod Touch, where the language isn't announced on the picker wheel as you move it, but can only be checked when you move back to the main page. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Mar 17, 2011, at 07:15, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Gordon, those iVox voices. Are their demos available do you know? > On 17 Mar 2011, at 16:28, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Chris >> >> I agree, Fred is awful and so are the rest of the old Apple voices. >> Things are getting better though and I still maintain that Infovox is the >> best synthetic voice suite on this planet. Especially Rachel who reads >> with a clarity unmatched, let alone unsurpassed, by any other synthesised >> voice anywhere. >> >> I must send you a demo of iVox if you haven't heard it. I think you'll >> change your mind about things. :) >> >> Gordon >> >> On 17 Mar 2011, at 15:46, Chris Moore wrote: >> >> Really? Man I just can't listen to those 1980s old Macintosh voices, they >> are so bad and i personally fined them hard to understand. I absolutely >> love Alex, and with 4gb of RAM he seems fine. I can listen to him pretty >> fast too I like the real sounding voices if I need to listen to large >> documents. But overall, Alex does it for me. I guess its a matter of >> what you are used to and I am fairly new to the TTS world. I guess you >> have been listening to those other voices for much longer and have got >> used to them. I don't even think the JAWS voice is too bad now, does >> quack a lot though (or is he saying blank?) :) >> >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From chris at mysticplace.info Fri Mar 18 18:45:03 2011 From: chris at mysticplace.info (Chris G) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 14:45:03 -0400 Subject: accessible backup program Message-ID: <20110318144502.4F47.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Hi, I am looking for an accessible backup program that can do the following. 1. backup specific folders to a shared folder, either on a Mac or Windows machine. 2. Copy in real time. 3. copy on a schedule if desired, IE every day, every month. Would be nice if it could also zip files too. Thanks Chris - The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. http://www.mysticplace.info From desiandcandy at q.com Fri Mar 18 19:34:57 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 12:34:57 -0700 Subject: iTunes Confusion In-Reply-To: <6CF8EE84-6529-400E-8D96-8A5943617320@gmail.com> References: <6CF8EE84-6529-400E-8D96-8A5943617320@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Nic, Thanks so much for your thoughtful reply! I have always believed that using a native OS is far better than relying on screen reader commands for just the reason you and others on the list have stated. The Braille manual I have is just a quick-start guide for VoiceOver, and for a number of things it has been helpful. I think we should lobby for them to produce a quick-reference card in Braille listing all of the native OS X commands. I would find it most helpful to have them all in one place, and in Braille so that I could pick up the booklet while in the midst of doing something and look up what I needed to know. I think that switching between applications and finding online resources for such things is a great way to go once you're pretty experienced, but especially for beginners like me, having something to refer to aside from the computer I'm working on is, if not a must, definitely something I would covet! Desi On Mar 17, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hello Desi, > > Just to add to Simon's reply. You do not have to go to the contextual menu to get this information, nor change it. Simply use the standard command to get info for most files in most applications, which is Command-I. That will bring up the exact same dialog if you have focus on a file. Also, interacting with any table is not necessary to move down it. Even if you interact with it and select a particular column to avoid hearing all the other columns being spoken, you can still use down-arrow on its own when you move with VO-left and right between columns. In fact, there are many ways of doing the same things in Mac OS X which aren't readily apparent, probably, and this is just one of them. I always recommend people use the native mac OS X methods so that you can accomplish functions on your Mac even if you somehow lose speech or braille. It's handy on occasion, though it certainly doesn't mean people should use it if they don't feel comfortable with it. > > I did not even know Apple had braille manuals. That having been said, it may or may not be the same iTunes information found by hitting COmmand-Questionmark and reading through the iTunes help index. I've always found iTunes pretty self-explanatory, but you may want to give that a go in case it's outdated information in that manual. > > Regards, > Nic > GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com > Facebook > Twitter > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk > Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 > AIM: cincinster > > On Mar 18, 2011, at 2:41 AM, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Simon, >> >> Thank you so much! This is most helpful! Do you, or does anyone else on list know of any reading material specific to iTunes and how it works with VoiceOver? I own the Braille manual put out by Apple, but the information there is quite brief. Or, maybe it's just that I am one of those people who needs things pounded into my head before I get them! Again, thanks so much! >> >> Desi >> >> >> >> On Mar 17, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: >> >>> DEsi, this is just a quick reply from somebody who does not know that much. I think whatever you import always ends up in the music library. I found it a pain too. I've learntt little by little and painfully that when you find your items, and then having interacted with the list of your music library, and having focused your voiceover on the item, you press vo+shift+m to brin up contextual menu. Therein you will find "get info" item. In the dialog pain that will open, you can specify the gendre of the item and it will automatically move to the approapriate category. I'vew never done it with radio stations so my experience there is limited but I have done it with imported audiobooks. >>> >>> Itunes takes a little time to get used to but all in all I love it. Hope this will help a little. >>> >>> Simon >>> On 17 Mar 2011, at 21:36, Desi Noller wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> Maybe those of you who have been using the Mac for awhile can clear something up for me. I seem to be somewhat brain dead when it comes to understanding how iTunes works. Presently, whenever I add something, for instance, a podcast, or an internet radio station, or if I import a CD, it all shows up in my sources table under library music playlist. How do I get radio stations to appear in the radio category, CD's and other songs in my music category and so forth? Maybe I have to set some preference differently? Any help would be most appreciated! >>>> >>>> Desi > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 19:45:46 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:45:46 +0100 Subject: iTunes Confusion In-Reply-To: References: <6CF8EE84-6529-400E-8D96-8A5943617320@gmail.com> Message-ID: <26E7D417-DCA2-4314-872B-A792106867B8@gmail.com> Hello Desi, You may also execute the VoiceOver Quick Start with VoiceOver-COmmand-F8. It will allow you to practice functions as well in the guide. I realize we are straying a little off-topic, bit in a sense, the guide will also help you navigating iTunes by providing more iTunes commands for VoiceOver. They are not specific to iTunes, though they might help. Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Mar 18, 2011, at 8:34 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Nic, > > Thanks so much for your thoughtful reply! I have always believed that using a native OS is far better than relying on screen reader commands for just the reason you and others on the list have stated. The Braille manual I have is just a quick-start guide for VoiceOver, and for a number of things it has been helpful. I think we should lobby for them to produce a quick-reference card in Braille listing all of the native OS X commands. I would find it most helpful to have them all in one place, and in Braille so that I could pick up the booklet while in the midst of doing something and look up what I needed to know. I think that switching between applications and finding online resources for such things is a great way to go once you're pretty experienced, but especially for beginners like me, having something to refer to aside from the computer I'm working on is, if not a must, definitely something I would covet! > > Desi > > > > On Mar 17, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hello Desi, >> >> Just to add to Simon's reply. You do not have to go to the contextual menu to get this information, nor change it. Simply use the standard command to get info for most files in most applications, which is Command-I. That will bring up the exact same dialog if you have focus on a file. Also, interacting with any table is not necessary to move down it. Even if you interact with it and select a particular column to avoid hearing all the other columns being spoken, you can still use down-arrow on its own when you move with VO-left and right between columns. In fact, there are many ways of doing the same things in Mac OS X which aren't readily apparent, probably, and this is just one of them. I always recommend people use the native mac OS X methods so that you can accomplish functions on your Mac even if you somehow lose speech or braille. It's handy on occasion, though it certainly doesn't mean people should use it if they don't feel comfortable with it. >> >> I did not even know Apple had braille manuals. That having been said, it may or may not be the same iTunes information found by hitting COmmand-Questionmark and reading through the iTunes help index. I've always found iTunes pretty self-explanatory, but you may want to give that a go in case it's outdated information in that manual. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com >> Facebook >> Twitter >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk >> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 >> AIM: cincinster >> >> On Mar 18, 2011, at 2:41 AM, Desi Noller wrote: >> >>> Hi Simon, >>> >>> Thank you so much! This is most helpful! Do you, or does anyone else on list know of any reading material specific to iTunes and how it works with VoiceOver? I own the Braille manual put out by Apple, but the information there is quite brief. Or, maybe it's just that I am one of those people who needs things pounded into my head before I get them! Again, thanks so much! >>> >>> Desi >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 17, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote: >>> >>>> DEsi, this is just a quick reply from somebody who does not know that much. I think whatever you import always ends up in the music library. I found it a pain too. I've learntt little by little and painfully that when you find your items, and then having interacted with the list of your music library, and having focused your voiceover on the item, you press vo+shift+m to brin up contextual menu. Therein you will find "get info" item. In the dialog pain that will open, you can specify the gendre of the item and it will automatically move to the approapriate category. I'vew never done it with radio stations so my experience there is limited but I have done it with imported audiobooks. >>>> >>>> Itunes takes a little time to get used to but all in all I love it. Hope this will help a little. >>>> >>>> Simon >>>> On 17 Mar 2011, at 21:36, Desi Noller wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Everyone, >>>>> >>>>> Maybe those of you who have been using the Mac for awhile can clear something up for me. I seem to be somewhat brain dead when it comes to understanding how iTunes works. Presently, whenever I add something, for instance, a podcast, or an internet radio station, or if I import a CD, it all shows up in my sources table under library music playlist. How do I get radio stations to appear in the radio category, CD's and other songs in my music category and so forth? Maybe I have to set some preference differently? Any help would be most appreciated! >>>>> >>>>> Desi >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lavendar at bell.net Fri Mar 18 19:59:21 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 15:59:21 -0400 Subject: short cut keys for mac, was In-Reply-To: <38726A25-5FDF-4473-B10F-C5EA376BA213@anarchie.org.uk> References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> <38726A25-5FDF-4473-B10F-C5EA376BA213@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: Thanks, Ann. I'll have a look at those. I'm sure I'll have a ton of questions as time goes on! Thanks heaps! Caitlyn On 2011-03-17, at 5:09 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Caitlyn, > > You can find short cuts in two places essentially: the menus for each application (where the short cut is announced after the name of the menu item; and in System Preferences. > > System Preferences is also where you go to add a short cut of your own. These short cuts are to be found in the Keyboard pane where you will find the Short cuts tab. > > Here, there are two tables. The first one is where you select the category of short cut, and the second shows the short cuts for the chosen category. > > If there are short cuts that don't suit you, you can change them to something you prefer. You can also disable short cuts that you never want to use and that might be activated by accident, such as Command-Space bar. > > Have fun! > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 17 Mar 2011, at 21:51, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > >> Hi Ann, >> >> Where does a person go to get a list of "regular mac shortcut keys? What you are saying makes a lot of sense to me! I've only been using my new mac for a couple of dedicated days now, and the hints are already driving me nutty! lol! >> >> Thanks! >> >> Caitlyn >> >> On 2011-03-15, at 6:58 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: >> >>> Hello Desi, >>> >>> I'm an old Mac user going back about 15 years so I do things the standard Mac way rather than the VO way. >>> >>> The hints drive me insane because I often disagree with them. I teach people to use Return to select menu items because, should they find themselves with no VoiceOver for some reason, there's a lot they can accomplish without speech or Braille if they know how. >>> >>> So I teach first letter navigation to find menu items or files or whatever, and standard Mac short cuts such as Control-F2 to open the Apple menu, Control-F3 to go to the Dock and Control-F8 to go to the Status menus. >>> >>> There are lots more short cuts like these which haven't changed in years. I don't know who dreamed up the idea of always using VO-Space bar to do everything but they certainly didn't ask my opinion! >>> >>> Rant over. >>> >>> Enjoy your new Mac. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> >>> On 15 Mar 2011, at 23:21, Desi Noller wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Anne, >>>> >>>> Thank you so much! I'll make sure to do it that way from now on! It does seem like that should be something that should be fixed in VoiceOver though, because of course, the verbal hint is to use VO-Space to open the application. Is this information written somewhere? I ask only because I don't remember noticing it, but I would think it should be prominently available! I will readily admit that I am still very new at all this, and am still pretty overwhelmed, so it's very possible that I missed it! Again, many thanks! >>>> >>>> A Most Grateful Desi >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lavendar at bell.net Fri Mar 18 20:17:37 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:17:37 -0400 Subject: Take control books In-Reply-To: <415086B9-8D7A-411E-9E7C-DCA70A714FC0@mac-access.net> References: <01E4F41E-1365-4684-A35B-559E929DBF91@me.com> <415086B9-8D7A-411E-9E7C-DCA70A714FC0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: thanks a lot, Gordon! Now the hard part is narrowing it down to which ones to start with! Cait On 2011-03-17, at 6:43 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello > > First, to get a listing of all titles, visit then, to arrange purchase, contact and Lynne will sort you out. > > Gordon > > On 17 Mar 2011, at 21:25, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > > Ok, I'm feeling a bit thick today.. I've asked about the take control books before, and possibley Lynn answered already and the email got lost in my great pc crash which finally made me go buy my wonderful mac, but where do I go to buy the books? And, where do I go to get a complete list of the titles available? > > I've been to the mac access.net site, and didn't see any mention of them.. > > Maybe my safari is broken?(just joking!) > > Thanks! > > Cait > > On 2011-03-15, at 8:06 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hello William >> >> On 14 Mar 2011, at 20:34, William Mutch wrote: >> >> We are glad you found the process to your liking. We also encourage others to make the most of a good thing; it may not last forever. >> >> On yes, and let's not forget the part Travis has played in this. >> >> Gordon >> >> Hi, Last week I purchased my first Take Control books from mac-access. I always thought that these books were good value when I bought several of their titles before I joined this list. Now that these books are available at a big discount they are simply too good not to read. >> If any of the list members have never tried them I would encourage then to try at least one. Lynne and Gordon make buying books a easy and safe process. Thanks to them and I look forward to many hours of of enjoyable and informative reading. >> >> Regards >> William Mutch >> Aberdeen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 20:32:46 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:32:46 +0100 Subject: short cut keys for mac, was In-Reply-To: References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> <38726A25-5FDF-4473-B10F-C5EA376BA213@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: Hello Caitlyn, There are also commands not listed in those places, such as commands for various types of reboot which you may need to apply, commands to go to various fields, etc. You can always use Command-questionmark to enter the Mac Help (if done from the Finer,) and brows the recommended and basic help topics. If you would like extended help, you can either enter into the search field located in the toolbar, or click the "Index" link to display an alphabetical list if you are not sure what you are looking for. This takes into consideration every help topic available. Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Mar 18, 2011, at 8:59 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Thanks, Ann. I'll have a look at those. > > I'm sure I'll have a ton of questions as time goes on! > > Thanks heaps! > > Caitlyn > > On 2011-03-17, at 5:09 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > >> Hello Caitlyn, >> >> You can find short cuts in two places essentially: the menus for each application (where the short cut is announced after the name of the menu item; and in System Preferences. >> >> System Preferences is also where you go to add a short cut of your own. These short cuts are to be found in the Keyboard pane where you will find the Short cuts tab. >> >> Here, there are two tables. The first one is where you select the category of short cut, and the second shows the short cuts for the chosen category. >> >> If there are short cuts that don't suit you, you can change them to something you prefer. You can also disable short cuts that you never want to use and that might be activated by accident, such as Command-Space bar. >> >> Have fun! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >> On 17 Mar 2011, at 21:51, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> >>> Hi Ann, >>> >>> Where does a person go to get a list of "regular mac shortcut keys? What you are saying makes a lot of sense to me! I've only been using my new mac for a couple of dedicated days now, and the hints are already driving me nutty! lol! >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> Caitlyn >>> >>> On 2011-03-15, at 6:58 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Desi, >>>> >>>> I'm an old Mac user going back about 15 years so I do things the standard Mac way rather than the VO way. >>>> >>>> The hints drive me insane because I often disagree with them. I teach people to use Return to select menu items because, should they find themselves with no VoiceOver for some reason, there's a lot they can accomplish without speech or Braille if they know how. >>>> >>>> So I teach first letter navigation to find menu items or files or whatever, and standard Mac short cuts such as Control-F2 to open the Apple menu, Control-F3 to go to the Dock and Control-F8 to go to the Status menus. >>>> >>>> There are lots more short cuts like these which haven't changed in years. I don't know who dreamed up the idea of always using VO-Space bar to do everything but they certainly didn't ask my opinion! >>>> >>>> Rant over. >>>> >>>> Enjoy your new Mac. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Anne >>>> >>>> >>>> On 15 Mar 2011, at 23:21, Desi Noller wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Anne, >>>>> >>>>> Thank you so much! I'll make sure to do it that way from now on! It does seem like that should be something that should be fixed in VoiceOver though, because of course, the verbal hint is to use VO-Space to open the application. Is this information written somewhere? I ask only because I don't remember noticing it, but I would think it should be prominently available! I will readily admit that I am still very new at all this, and am still pretty overwhelmed, so it's very possible that I missed it! Again, many thanks! >>>>> >>>>> A Most Grateful Desi >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Fri Mar 18 20:57:04 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:57:04 -1000 Subject: other voices for text to speech in iOS [was Re: Cepstral Voices v5] In-Reply-To: <3AA0FC26-1630-4376-948C-6F6A5F14D459@gmail.com> References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <46ACD73E-624B-4018-BD91-75AF3B07157A@mac-access.net> <2D94EC21-AE1B-4A91-9A04-5AE30E459223@computing.dcu.ie> <1B5D365C-C26D-404A-AF44-A5D5CA7744A8@mac.com> <3AA0FC26-1630-4376-948C-6F6A5F14D459@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, OK, so just minutes after I posted that there was no iPhone/iPod Touch counterpart to the Sonico GmbH iTranslate app for the iPad I received an email from the developer announcing a new free version of "iTranslate -- the free translator" for iPhone/iPod Touch (they just updated). However, this seems a step back: although they now work via voice recognition using the Nuance (Dragon Dictation) engine, you have to purchase transactions in groups of 75 for speech recognition to run. And it doesn't seem as though you can simply enter text into the translation portion of the app and have it work as a translator. And they also haven't fixed the language picker wheel bug I mentioned, plus the ads are more annoying here than in the free iPad app. I still like the Loquendo voices. They've beefed up the sample voices on the Info page under the "Add-Ons" section for "High Quality Voices". I frankly prefer their earlier version (which I'll save). As a translator, it's just Google translation, but I've been pasting in text to have it read in order to use the foreign language voices (much longer than Google translate will allow you to translate). Nic, I mentioned last week that the Jibbigo bi-directional translation apps have gone on sale for $4.99 (down from $24.99 - $27.99), all except for the English-Japanese app. Well, after the earthquake, they've put the English-Japanese app on discounted price at $2.99 through tomorrow so people involved in the relief efforts can download this. Since you speak Japanese (and I don't), if you're interested in trying this out, I'd be curious to know what you think about it. I don't think you have access to the current Dragon Dictation app for Japanese, but the free Google Translation app works pretty well. I think it's not as accurate as Dragon, but I've been experimenting with using it for voice recognition and text transcription. By that I mean that the straight translations are just Google machine translations, but if you double tap the button to swap language pairs immediately after speaking your phrase, you can press the "TTS" button for the translated text (i.e., have it speak what you just dictated) to review the speech recognition. And as to why you might try to do that, there's the question of how you handle text input for languages that don't support Roman character alphabets under VoiceOver in iOS or on the Mac in Lion. So if the speech recognition works for what you've spoken in Chinese, for example, as verified by having the app speak what you've dictated, then you can copy and paste the characters with VoiceOver. I don't know of any other reliable way of getting Chinese text entry input working with VoiceOver on the iPhone or iPad, and this is a question/complaint that someone raised on another list just after the support for the language rotor was added to the iPhone in iOS 4, 9 months or so ago. The Jibbigo apps work in bi-directional speech recognition and translation mode, locally on an iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad (which means without an internet), but they seem a bit quirky. They're supposed to train up with your voice (like Dragon) and get better over time. I think the training set that they worked on is probably the sort of phrases that travelers would use. I can't really test this kind of problem with a range of other apps, because Dragon Dictation (apart from Japanese), uses standard languages that are supported in VoiceOver with Roman character alphabets (French, English, Spanish, German, Italian), and even Japanese uses an alphabet and has VoiceOver support under Snow Leopard. There's no easy way to check a tonal language (even Russian is only inflected in the pronunciation). So I don't know whether the results I'm getting with Jibiggo's Chinese speech recognition are due to its response to my accent or to the program. All I can say is that the Google Translation app's response doesn't seem as quirky (and the Chinese to English translations sound a lot more sensible, too.) I would love to hear from people who could try out the other Jibbigo languages (like Arabic -- but they specifically target Iraqi Arabic), but I don't think we'll find a lot of takers for Tagolog. They also realeased Korean and, the latest release is for French (a week ago). All these are discounted, I think, for the iPad release, and for an unknown short time. Here are a few of the listings: * Jibbigo Japanese-English Speech Translator ($2.99 until March 19, usually $27.99): http://appshopper.com/travel/jibbigo-japanese-english-speech-translator ? Jibbigo Chinese-English Speech Translator ($4.99 usually $24.99): http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/jibbigo-chinese-english-speech/id363101347?mt=8 ? Jibbigo Iraqi-English Speech Translator ($4.99 usually $24.99): http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/jibbigo-iraqi-english-speech/id365472166?mt=8 ? Jibbigo French-English Speech Translator ($4.99 just released, no previous price): http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/jibbigo-english-french-speech/id408657992?mt=8 Other languages (all on sale) are German, Spanish, Korean, and Tagalog. There is a dictionary, but it's basically synonyms (the words are spoken, and it does work without an internet connection, like the rest of the app). It's accessible, but slightly clunky, since you have to do a double tap and hold gesture to keep the "record" button pressed while you speak, unless you change this behavior in preferences. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Mar 18, 2011, at 07:51, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > One thing I believe Esther did not mention is that you are not limited to voice samples from the Assistiveware website. If you decide to dwonload, you can use the language for thirty days. The trials are based on the individual languages that you download, so even if one languages runs out you may still have a secondary trial available if you have not downloaded and install those simultaneously. > > Regards, > Nic > GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com > Facebook > Twitter > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk > Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 > AIM: cincinster > > On Mar 18, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi D?nal, >> >> Try the Assistiveware site page for the voice samples: >> http://www.assistiveware.com/ivoxsamples.php? >> >> You can also hear these voices in iPhone apps. I have Speak It!, which lets you read copied text files (and save audio) in 4 of the Infovox voices. The basic app ($1.99) from Future Apps, Inc. comes with Heather (U.S.), Graham (U.K.), Lucy (U.K.), and Ryan (U.S.). You can buy additional voices through in-app purchase for $0.99 each. I mostly used this on the iPad before the language rotor got working to read text in other languages (French, Russian, etc.) >> >> ? Speak It! Text to Speech ($1.99) by FutureApps is available internationally at the iTunes Store: >> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/speak-it-text-to-speech/id308629295?mt=8 >> >> The other source of text to speech voices that I liked (on the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad) are from Loquendo -- again, mainly for the other languages (very nice male Russian voice and a nice Chinese voice). These aren't available on the Mac as far as I know, but there's a free app called iTranslate - free Translator for the iPad that uses the Loquendo voices: >> ? iTranslate - free Translator (free, iPad only) by Sonico GmbH >> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/itranslate-free-translator/id397730127?mt=8 >> >> There are included voices to speak the text (original or translated) for English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. These are the Loquendo voices. The Russian voice is the female voice (Olga, not Dmitry), but quite good. There's no counterpart to the iPad version on the iPhone or iPod Touch, and the iPad version doesn't have the current bug for the iTranslate and iTranslate Pro apps on the iPhone and iPod Touch, where the language isn't announced on the picker wheel as you move it, but can only be checked when you move back to the main page. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Mar 17, 2011, at 07:15, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Gordon, those iVox voices. Are their demos available do you know? >>> On 17 Mar 2011, at 16:28, Gordon Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Chris >>>> >>>> I agree, Fred is awful and so are the rest of the old Apple voices. Things are getting better though and I still maintain that Infovox is the best synthetic voice suite on this planet. Especially Rachel who reads with a clarity unmatched, let alone unsurpassed, by any other synthesised voice anywhere. >>>> >>>> I must send you a demo of iVox if you haven't heard it. I think you'll change your mind about things. :) >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>> >>>> On 17 Mar 2011, at 15:46, Chris Moore wrote: >>>> >>>> Really? Man I just can't listen to those 1980s old Macintosh voices, they are so bad and i personally fined them hard to understand. I absolutely love Alex, and with 4gb of RAM he seems fine. I can listen to him pretty fast too I like the real sounding voices if I need to listen to large documents. But overall, Alex does it for me. I guess its a matter of what you are used to and I am fairly new to the TTS world. I guess you have been listening to those other voices for much longer and have got used to them. I don't even think the JAWS voice is too bad now, does quack a lot though (or is he saying blank?) :) >>>> >>>> >>> >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri Mar 18 21:30:15 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:30:15 +0100 Subject: other voices for text to speech in iOS [was Re: Cepstral Voices v5] In-Reply-To: References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <46ACD73E-624B-4018-BD91-75AF3B07157A@mac-access.net> <2D94EC21-AE1B-4A91-9A04-5AE30E459223@computing.dcu.ie> <1B5D365C-C26D-404A-AF44-A5D5CA7744A8@mac.com> <3AA0FC26-1630-4376-948C-6F6A5F14D459@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6FE6421C-46D3-407B-9ACF-E6D395B4B72F@gmail.com> Hello Esther, Thanks a lot for the suggestion. I'll give it a try. :) Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Mar 18, 2011, at 9:57 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi, > > OK, so just minutes after I posted that there was no iPhone/iPod Touch counterpart to the Sonico GmbH iTranslate app for the iPad I received an email from the developer announcing a new free version of "iTranslate -- the free translator" for iPhone/iPod Touch (they just updated). However, this seems a step back: although they now work via voice recognition using the Nuance (Dragon Dictation) engine, you have to purchase transactions in groups of 75 for speech recognition to run. And it doesn't seem as though you can simply enter text into the translation portion of the app and have it work as a translator. And they also haven't fixed the language picker wheel bug I mentioned, plus the ads are more annoying here than in the free iPad app. I still like the Loquendo voices. They've beefed up the sample voices on the Info page under the "Add-Ons" section for "High Quality Voices". I frankly prefer their earlier version (which I'll save). As a translator, it's just Google translation, but I've been pasting in text to have it read in order to use the foreign language voices (much longer than Google translate will allow you to translate). > > Nic, I mentioned last week that the Jibbigo bi-directional translation apps have gone on sale for $4.99 (down from $24.99 - $27.99), all except for the English-Japanese app. Well, after the earthquake, they've put the English-Japanese app on discounted price at $2.99 through tomorrow so people involved in the relief efforts can download this. Since you speak Japanese (and I don't), if you're interested in trying this out, I'd be curious to know what you think about it. I don't think you have access to the current Dragon Dictation app for Japanese, but the free Google Translation app works pretty well. I think it's not as accurate as Dragon, but I've been experimenting with using it for voice recognition and text transcription. By that I mean that the straight translations are just Google machine translations, but if you double tap the button to swap language pairs immediately after speaking your phrase, you can press the "TTS" button for the translated text (i.e., have it speak what you just dictated) to review the speech recognition. And as to why you might try to do that, there's the question of how you handle text input for languages that don't support Roman character alphabets under VoiceOver in iOS or on the Mac in Lion. So if the speech recognition works for what you've spoken in Chinese, for example, as verified by having the app speak what you've dictated, then you can copy and paste the characters with VoiceOver. I don't know of any other reliable way of getting Chinese text entry input working with VoiceOver on the iPhone or iPad, and this is a question/complaint that someone raised on another list just after the support for the language rotor was added to the iPhone in iOS 4, 9 months or so ago. > > The Jibbigo apps work in bi-directional speech recognition and translation mode, locally on an iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad (which means without an internet), but they seem a bit quirky. They're supposed to train up with your voice (like Dragon) and get better over time. I think the training set that they worked on is probably the sort of phrases that travelers would use. I can't really test this kind of problem with a range of other apps, because Dragon Dictation (apart from Japanese), uses standard languages that are supported in VoiceOver with Roman character alphabets (French, English, Spanish, German, Italian), and even Japanese uses an alphabet and has VoiceOver support under Snow Leopard. There's no easy way to check a tonal language (even Russian is only inflected in the pronunciation). So I don't know whether the results I'm getting with Jibiggo's Chinese speech recognition are due to its response to my accent or to the program. All I can say is that the Google Translation app's response doesn't seem as quirky (and the Chinese to English translations sound a lot more sensible, too.) > > I would love to hear from people who could try out the other Jibbigo languages (like Arabic -- but they specifically target Iraqi Arabic), but I don't think we'll find a lot of takers for Tagolog. They also realeased Korean and, the latest release is for French (a week ago). All these are discounted, I think, for the iPad release, and for an unknown short time. Here are a few of the listings: > > * Jibbigo Japanese-English Speech Translator ($2.99 until March 19, usually $27.99): > http://appshopper.com/travel/jibbigo-japanese-english-speech-translator > ? Jibbigo Chinese-English Speech Translator ($4.99 usually $24.99): > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/jibbigo-chinese-english-speech/id363101347?mt=8 > ? Jibbigo Iraqi-English Speech Translator ($4.99 usually $24.99): > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/jibbigo-iraqi-english-speech/id365472166?mt=8 > ? Jibbigo French-English Speech Translator ($4.99 just released, no previous price): > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/jibbigo-english-french-speech/id408657992?mt=8 > > Other languages (all on sale) are German, Spanish, Korean, and Tagalog. There is a dictionary, but it's basically synonyms (the words are spoken, and it does work without an internet connection, like the rest of the app). It's accessible, but slightly clunky, since you have to do a double tap and hold gesture to keep the "record" button pressed while you speak, unless you change this behavior in preferences. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Mar 18, 2011, at 07:51, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> One thing I believe Esther did not mention is that you are not limited to voice samples from the Assistiveware website. If you decide to dwonload, you can use the language for thirty days. The trials are based on the individual languages that you download, so even if one languages runs out you may still have a secondary trial available if you have not downloaded and install those simultaneously. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com >> Facebook >> Twitter >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk >> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 >> AIM: cincinster >> >> On Mar 18, 2011, at 6:46 PM, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi D?nal, >>> >>> Try the Assistiveware site page for the voice samples: >>> http://www.assistiveware.com/ivoxsamples.php? >>> >>> You can also hear these voices in iPhone apps. I have Speak It!, which lets you read copied text files (and save audio) in 4 of the Infovox voices. The basic app ($1.99) from Future Apps, Inc. comes with Heather (U.S.), Graham (U.K.), Lucy (U.K.), and Ryan (U.S.). You can buy additional voices through in-app purchase for $0.99 each. I mostly used this on the iPad before the language rotor got working to read text in other languages (French, Russian, etc.) >>> >>> ? Speak It! Text to Speech ($1.99) by FutureApps is available internationally at the iTunes Store: >>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/speak-it-text-to-speech/id308629295?mt=8 >>> >>> The other source of text to speech voices that I liked (on the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad) are from Loquendo -- again, mainly for the other languages (very nice male Russian voice and a nice Chinese voice). These aren't available on the Mac as far as I know, but there's a free app called iTranslate - free Translator for the iPad that uses the Loquendo voices: >>> ? iTranslate - free Translator (free, iPad only) by Sonico GmbH >>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/itranslate-free-translator/id397730127?mt=8 >>> >>> There are included voices to speak the text (original or translated) for English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. These are the Loquendo voices. The Russian voice is the female voice (Olga, not Dmitry), but quite good. There's no counterpart to the iPad version on the iPhone or iPod Touch, and the iPad version doesn't have the current bug for the iTranslate and iTranslate Pro apps on the iPhone and iPod Touch, where the language isn't announced on the picker wheel as you move it, but can only be checked when you move back to the main page. >>> >>> HTH. Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> On Mar 17, 2011, at 07:15, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> >>>> Gordon, those iVox voices. Are their demos available do you know? >>>> On 17 Mar 2011, at 16:28, Gordon Smith wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Chris >>>>> >>>>> I agree, Fred is awful and so are the rest of the old Apple voices. Things are getting better though and I still maintain that Infovox is the best synthetic voice suite on this planet. Especially Rachel who reads with a clarity unmatched, let alone unsurpassed, by any other synthesised voice anywhere. >>>>> >>>>> I must send you a demo of iVox if you haven't heard it. I think you'll change your mind about things. :) >>>>> >>>>> Gordon >>>>> >>>>> On 17 Mar 2011, at 15:46, Chris Moore wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Really? Man I just can't listen to those 1980s old Macintosh voices, they are so bad and i personally fined them hard to understand. I absolutely love Alex, and with 4gb of RAM he seems fine. I can listen to him pretty fast too I like the real sounding voices if I need to listen to large documents. But overall, Alex does it for me. I guess its a matter of what you are used to and I am fairly new to the TTS world. I guess you have been listening to those other voices for much longer and have got used to them. I don't even think the JAWS voice is too bad now, does quack a lot though (or is he saying blank?) :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lavendar at bell.net Fri Mar 18 22:47:05 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:47:05 -0400 Subject: taking college courses with the mac online or otherwise? In-Reply-To: <205E0437-A71A-4519-8507-B3A112DFF3A5@gmail.com> References: <4160B5F9-0314-41C6-8555-9755CEBF014A@mac-access.net> <205E0437-A71A-4519-8507-B3A112DFF3A5@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sara, I don't know what angel is! lol! Having all sorts of fun figureing out pages, though. Need some help maybe with setting up fusion if I get desperate, but really don't wanna put windows on here in any way if I don't have to... Cait skype name caitlynfurness twitter Ms_Lavendar On 2011-03-17, at 9:59 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Godo luck using angel if htey do switch. I hear that is not accessibil at all wiht safari. > > Take care. > > > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On Mar 17, 2011, at 5:09 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > >> Justin, >> >> I can't answer directly about the mac just yet, and pages especially, but I am about to find out. >> >> I'm a grad student taking courses in clinical nutrition at a smaller school in Richmond BC. All my classes are online, but it's mostly a guided type study with deadlines and all the tests are on the web on the school's web site on a secure server which I have to log into. >> >> Up until this point, I've done this by scanning my texts with k1000, reading the required work with that, using the bookmark feature, making notes, etc, using my braille sense note taker, and then going online to the web site, logging in to the test site and taking the test(which has a time limit), using window eyes or nvda as the primery screen reader. >> >> Now that my pc is basically dead and I'm on the mac pretty much full time, I'll have to see how reading my texts in pages is, devise a new way to mark important places in them, and see how the web pages for tests is with safari is, although I have to admit it's a pretty straightforward type site, with standard radio buttons, lists, and that sort of thing. >> >> I haven't tried blackboard yet, but an upcoming course will have that as part of it. >> >> My school didn't know anything about accessability, but they've been great. I hope you have luck, and write privately if you want. >> >> Caitlyn >> >> On 2011-03-16, at 3:29 AM, Justin Mann wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> I am looking at the prospect of going back to school either online or via ground as we call it so I've been doing some research with the various disabled student service's departments of universities in my area and can't seem to get a straight answer. At this point, are there any accessibility issues with using things like blackboard and/or other course delivery systems on the mac? Is performing formatting functions for say a research paper doable in iWork without an issue? >>> Right now, I'm being told that if I don't use jaws, I will have no ability to make this work since Jaws is the most technologically advance screen-reader for what it is? *lol* Forgive me if this sounds rambling but I just want to make sure that I've not missed anything. >>> Justin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lavendar at bell.net Fri Mar 18 23:12:53 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:12:53 -0400 Subject: Pages and Numbers In-Reply-To: <0BBF3B5C-A2D0-4FE1-BFE2-112F284814B6@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> References: <0BBF3B5C-A2D0-4FE1-BFE2-112F284814B6@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Ian, I'm not sure how easy these programs are to learn, as this is an individual thing. It does say in the promotional material that Pages, at least, can handle .doc and .dox formats, so I am also pretty sure it can handle the excel format as well. I used to use office too, but I was not a power user. I am learning pages now. I am not finding it overly difficult, but I am finding most things on the mac more intuitive and less cluttered then the windows environment ever was. hth and wasn't too confusing. Caitlyn On 2011-03-18, at 6:45 AM, Ian Harrison wrote: > Hi to all, > > I am thinking of buying these as I cannot read excel spreadsheets and word docs in microsoft office. > > Are both of the above able to open and read microsoft documents and save anything I do in xls and doc formats? > > HHow easy are they to learn if you are used to the world of MS Office? > > With thanks > Ian > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Mar 18 23:16:26 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:16:26 +0000 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: <1B5D365C-C26D-404A-AF44-A5D5CA7744A8@mac.com> References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <46ACD73E-624B-4018-BD91-75AF3B07157A@mac-access.net> <2D94EC21-AE1B-4A91-9A04-5AE30E459223@computing.dcu.ie> <1B5D365C-C26D-404A-AF44-A5D5CA7744A8@mac.com> Message-ID: <46BF846C-3E5A-457B-A3C9-E0977B1C7D24@computing.dcu.ie> Ah Esther, I'd no idea those voices were the Acapella ones. We have been using those for ages in my lab to try to develop a means of sonofying mathematics. Not only are they excellent from the end-user perspective, but the control you can exert, through siple commands inserted in textfiles is superb. We're combining this synthesiser with a library for binaural processing of beeps and other noises to, as I said earlier, develop an auditory representation of equations. Cheers, D?nal On 18 Mar 2011, at 17:46, Esther wrote: > Hi D?nal, > > Try the Assistiveware site page for the voice samples: > http://www.assistiveware.com/ivoxsamples.php? > > You can also hear these voices in iPhone apps. I have Speak It!, which lets you read copied text files (and save audio) in 4 of the Infovox voices. The basic app ($1.99) from Future Apps, Inc. comes with Heather (U.S.), Graham (U.K.), Lucy (U.K.), and Ryan (U.S.). You can buy additional voices through in-app purchase for $0.99 each. I mostly used this on the iPad before the language rotor got working to read text in other languages (French, Russian, etc.) > > ? Speak It! Text to Speech ($1.99) by FutureApps is available internationally at the iTunes Store: > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/speak-it-text-to-speech/id308629295?mt=8 > > The other source of text to speech voices that I liked (on the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad) are from Loquendo -- again, mainly for the other languages (very nice male Russian voice and a nice Chinese voice). These aren't available on the Mac as far as I know, but there's a free app called iTranslate - free Translator for the iPad that uses the Loquendo voices: > ? iTranslate - free Translator (free, iPad only) by Sonico GmbH > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/itranslate-free-translator/id397730127?mt=8 > > There are included voices to speak the text (original or translated) for English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. These are the Loquendo voices. The Russian voice is the female voice (Olga, not Dmitry), but quite good. There's no counterpart to the iPad version on the iPhone or iPod Touch, and the iPad version doesn't have the current bug for the iTranslate and iTranslate Pro apps on the iPhone and iPod Touch, where the language isn't announced on the picker wheel as you move it, but can only be checked when you move back to the main page. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Mar 17, 2011, at 07:15, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Gordon, those iVox voices. Are their demos available do you know? >> On 17 Mar 2011, at 16:28, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi Chris >>> >>> I agree, Fred is awful and so are the rest of the old Apple voices. Things are getting better though and I still maintain that Infovox is the best synthetic voice suite on this planet. Especially Rachel who reads with a clarity unmatched, let alone unsurpassed, by any other synthesised voice anywhere. >>> >>> I must send you a demo of iVox if you haven't heard it. I think you'll change your mind about things. :) >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> On 17 Mar 2011, at 15:46, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>> Really? Man I just can't listen to those 1980s old Macintosh voices, they are so bad and i personally fined them hard to understand. I absolutely love Alex, and with 4gb of RAM he seems fine. I can listen to him pretty fast too I like the real sounding voices if I need to listen to large documents. But overall, Alex does it for me. I guess its a matter of what you are used to and I am fairly new to the TTS world. I guess you have been listening to those other voices for much longer and have got used to them. I don't even think the JAWS voice is too bad now, does quack a lot though (or is he saying blank?) :) >>> >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From n0oxy at charter.net Fri Mar 18 23:53:03 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 18:53:03 -0500 Subject: accessible backup program In-Reply-To: <20110318144502.4F47.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> References: <20110318144502.4F47.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Message-ID: <68CE7F65-1880-4B6F-94D9-64C0888CF433@charter.net> Check out super duper and carbon copy cloner. Also, time machine, which is built in to the mac works well. On Mar 18, 2011, at 1:45 PM, Chris G wrote: > Hi, > > I am looking for an accessible backup program that can do the following. > 1. backup specific folders to a shared folder, either on a Mac or > Windows machine. > > 2. Copy in real time. > 3. copy on a schedule if desired, IE every day, every month. > > Would be nice if it could also zip files too. > > Thanks > Chris > > - > The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. > http://www.mysticplace.info > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From billd at insightbb.com Sat Mar 19 01:59:16 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:59:16 -0400 Subject: todays discovery Message-ID: <35CABE43-0257-4E6F-B97D-CA2233429AEC@insightbb.com> hello to all, I heard some one on the list a few days ago saying they had a problem when ever they would try to give the I Phone a voice command to idle a phone number it would start playing something in I tunes. I had that problem. a few times. I would try to call my wife and a song off my Holly Dunn album some day would start playing. I don't mind listening to Holly but not when I am trying to call my wife(Smile). what i found is if Ispoke more slowly and left a space in between the command call and my wife's name. for example, call space Debbie and give the command slowly. that seemed to take care of the problem. Bill Deatherage From desiandcandy at q.com Sat Mar 19 02:50:11 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 19:50:11 -0700 Subject: short cut keys for mac, was In-Reply-To: References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> <38726A25-5FDF-4473-B10F-C5EA376BA213@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: Hi Again Nic, I just tried your instructions in the message below, and for some reason completely unknown to me, I cannot seem to find an "index" link. What might I be doing wrong? Thanks for any help you can give me with this! Desi On Mar 18, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hello Caitlyn, > > There are also commands not listed in those places, such as commands for various types of reboot which you may need to apply, commands to go to various fields, etc. You can always use Command-questionmark to enter the Mac Help (if done from the Finer,) and brows the recommended and basic help topics. If you would like extended help, you can either enter into the search field located in the toolbar, or click the "Index" link to display an alphabetical list if you are not sure what you are looking for. This takes into consideration every help topic available. > > Regards, > Nic > GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com > Facebook > Twitter > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk > Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 > AIM: cincinster > > On Mar 18, 2011, at 8:59 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > >> Thanks, Ann. I'll have a look at those. >> >> I'm sure I'll have a ton of questions as time goes on! >> >> Thanks heaps! >> >> Caitlyn >> >> On 2011-03-17, at 5:09 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: >> >>> Hello Caitlyn, >>> >>> You can find short cuts in two places essentially: the menus for each application (where the short cut is announced after the name of the menu item; and in System Preferences. >>> >>> System Preferences is also where you go to add a short cut of your own. These short cuts are to be found in the Keyboard pane where you will find the Short cuts tab. >>> >>> Here, there are two tables. The first one is where you select the category of short cut, and the second shows the short cuts for the chosen category. >>> >>> If there are short cuts that don't suit you, you can change them to something you prefer. You can also disable short cuts that you never want to use and that might be activated by accident, such as Command-Space bar. >>> >>> Have fun! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> >>> On 17 Mar 2011, at 21:51, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Ann, >>>> >>>> Where does a person go to get a list of "regular mac shortcut keys? What you are saying makes a lot of sense to me! I've only been using my new mac for a couple of dedicated days now, and the hints are already driving me nutty! lol! >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Caitlyn >>>> >>>> On 2011-03-15, at 6:58 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Desi, >>>>> >>>>> I'm an old Mac user going back about 15 years so I do things the standard Mac way rather than the VO way. >>>>> >>>>> The hints drive me insane because I often disagree with them. I teach people to use Return to select menu items because, should they find themselves with no VoiceOver for some reason, there's a lot they can accomplish without speech or Braille if they know how. >>>>> >>>>> So I teach first letter navigation to find menu items or files or whatever, and standard Mac short cuts such as Control-F2 to open the Apple menu, Control-F3 to go to the Dock and Control-F8 to go to the Status menus. >>>>> >>>>> There are lots more short cuts like these which haven't changed in years. I don't know who dreamed up the idea of always using VO-Space bar to do everything but they certainly didn't ask my opinion! >>>>> >>>>> Rant over. >>>>> >>>>> Enjoy your new Mac. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Anne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 15 Mar 2011, at 23:21, Desi Noller wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Anne, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you so much! I'll make sure to do it that way from now on! It does seem like that should be something that should be fixed in VoiceOver though, because of course, the verbal hint is to use VO-Space to open the application. Is this information written somewhere? I ask only because I don't remember noticing it, but I would think it should be prominently available! I will readily admit that I am still very new at all this, and am still pretty overwhelmed, so it's very possible that I missed it! Again, many thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> A Most Grateful Desi >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Sat Mar 19 03:13:08 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 03:13:08 +0000 Subject: short cut keys for mac, was In-Reply-To: References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> <38726A25-5FDF-4473-B10F-C5EA376BA213@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <161AAD4A-65AB-4254-A9C5-7C2142E066C1@gmail.com> Hi Desi! From finder I went to menu then across to help entered mac help and the top most item is the index link! hth Colin I'm far too bad for Heaven! The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! On 19 Mar 2011, at 02:50, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Again Nic, > > I just tried your instructions in the message below, and for some reason completely unknown to me, I cannot seem to find an "index" link. What might I be doing wrong? Thanks for any help you can give me with this! > > Desi > > > > On Mar 18, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hello Caitlyn, >> >> There are also commands not listed in those places, such as commands for various types of reboot which you may need to apply, commands to go to various fields, etc. You can always use Command-questionmark to enter the Mac Help (if done from the Finer,) and brows the recommended and basic help topics. If you would like extended help, you can either enter into the search field located in the toolbar, or click the "Index" link to display an alphabetical list if you are not sure what you are looking for. This takes into consideration every help topic available. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com >> Facebook >> Twitter >> Skype: Kvalme >> MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk >> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 >> AIM: cincinster >> >> On Mar 18, 2011, at 8:59 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Ann. I'll have a look at those. >>> >>> I'm sure I'll have a ton of questions as time goes on! >>> >>> Thanks heaps! >>> >>> Caitlyn >>> >>> On 2011-03-17, at 5:09 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Caitlyn, >>>> >>>> You can find short cuts in two places essentially: the menus for each application (where the short cut is announced after the name of the menu item; and in System Preferences. >>>> >>>> System Preferences is also where you go to add a short cut of your own. These short cuts are to be found in the Keyboard pane where you will find the Short cuts tab. >>>> >>>> Here, there are two tables. The first one is where you select the category of short cut, and the second shows the short cuts for the chosen category. >>>> >>>> If there are short cuts that don't suit you, you can change them to something you prefer. You can also disable short cuts that you never want to use and that might be activated by accident, such as Command-Space bar. >>>> >>>> Have fun! >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Anne >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17 Mar 2011, at 21:51, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Ann, >>>>> >>>>> Where does a person go to get a list of "regular mac shortcut keys? What you are saying makes a lot of sense to me! I've only been using my new mac for a couple of dedicated days now, and the hints are already driving me nutty! lol! >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> Caitlyn >>>>> >>>>> On 2011-03-15, at 6:58 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Desi, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm an old Mac user going back about 15 years so I do things the standard Mac way rather than the VO way. >>>>>> >>>>>> The hints drive me insane because I often disagree with them. I teach people to use Return to select menu items because, should they find themselves with no VoiceOver for some reason, there's a lot they can accomplish without speech or Braille if they know how. >>>>>> >>>>>> So I teach first letter navigation to find menu items or files or whatever, and standard Mac short cuts such as Control-F2 to open the Apple menu, Control-F3 to go to the Dock and Control-F8 to go to the Status menus. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are lots more short cuts like these which haven't changed in years. I don't know who dreamed up the idea of always using VO-Space bar to do everything but they certainly didn't ask my opinion! >>>>>> >>>>>> Rant over. >>>>>> >>>>>> Enjoy your new Mac. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> >>>>>> Anne >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 15 Mar 2011, at 23:21, Desi Noller wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Anne, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you so much! I'll make sure to do it that way from now on! It does seem like that should be something that should be fixed in VoiceOver though, because of course, the verbal hint is to use VO-Space to open the application. Is this information written somewhere? I ask only because I don't remember noticing it, but I would think it should be prominently available! I will readily admit that I am still very new at all this, and am still pretty overwhelmed, so it's very possible that I missed it! Again, many thanks! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A Most Grateful Desi >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gunn at tznet.com Sat Mar 19 04:10:03 2011 From: gunn at tznet.com (John Gunn) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:10:03 -0500 Subject: Help building apple scripts In-Reply-To: <7CA34CEA-5A4E-4B32-8947-3F31CFB02087@softcon.com> References: <1F538D17-05D7-43CE-8E4E-325D86E789AC@gmail.com> <7CA34CEA-5A4E-4B32-8947-3F31CFB02087@softcon.com> Message-ID: Travis, Thanks for the below link, good resource. I went to BookShare and found AppleScript in a Nut Shell and my question, this was written in 2002, is this still current with today's OSX? Take care, John On Mar 14, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > Well, first, you need to learn apple scripting. This is probably best done by reading the apple script programming guide located at: > http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/AppleScript/Conceptual/AppleScriptLangGuide/introduction/ASLR_intro.html > You might want to download the pdf file linked on that page, so you can have the entire guide in one place. > After that, the best thing to do is just to write a few scripts, and see how they work for you. You can get the scripts I've written for public comsumption at > http://www.softcon.com/mac/scripts/ > And, of course there's some example scripts on your machine under applications in the applescript/examplescripts, or in automater where you can build apple scripts from predefined actions. > Hope this helps. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From desiandcandy at q.com Sat Mar 19 04:19:37 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:19:37 -0700 Subject: short cut keys for mac, was In-Reply-To: <161AAD4A-65AB-4254-A9C5-7C2142E066C1@gmail.com> References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> <38726A25-5FDF-4473-B10F-C5EA376BA213@anarchie.org.uk> <161AAD4A-65AB-4254-A9C5-7C2142E066C1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Colin, Thanks so much! That got it for sure! Desi On Mar 18, 2011, at 8:13 PM, Colin M wrote: > Hi Desi! > From finder I went to menu then across to help entered mac help and the top most item is the index link! > hth Colin > > I'm far too bad for Heaven! > The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! > > On 19 Mar 2011, at 02:50, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Again Nic, >> >> I just tried your instructions in the message below, and for some reason completely unknown to me, I cannot seem to find an "index" link. What might I be doing wrong? Thanks for any help you can give me with this! >> >> Desi >> >> >> >> On Mar 18, 2011, at 1:32 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hello Caitlyn, >>> >>> There are also commands not listed in those places, such as commands for various types of reboot which you may need to apply, commands to go to various fields, etc. You can always use Command-questionmark to enter the Mac Help (if done from the Finer,) and brows the recommended and basic help topics. If you would like extended help, you can either enter into the search field located in the toolbar, or click the "Index" link to display an alphabetical list if you are not sure what you are looking for. This takes into consideration every help topic available. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com >>> Facebook >>> Twitter >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk >>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 >>> AIM: cincinster >>> >>> On Mar 18, 2011, at 8:59 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Ann. I'll have a look at those. >>>> >>>> I'm sure I'll have a ton of questions as time goes on! >>>> >>>> Thanks heaps! >>>> >>>> Caitlyn >>>> >>>> On 2011-03-17, at 5:09 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Caitlyn, >>>>> >>>>> You can find short cuts in two places essentially: the menus for each application (where the short cut is announced after the name of the menu item; and in System Preferences. >>>>> >>>>> System Preferences is also where you go to add a short cut of your own. These short cuts are to be found in the Keyboard pane where you will find the Short cuts tab. >>>>> >>>>> Here, there are two tables. The first one is where you select the category of short cut, and the second shows the short cuts for the chosen category. >>>>> >>>>> If there are short cuts that don't suit you, you can change them to something you prefer. You can also disable short cuts that you never want to use and that might be activated by accident, such as Command-Space bar. >>>>> >>>>> Have fun! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Anne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 17 Mar 2011, at 21:51, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Ann, >>>>>> >>>>>> Where does a person go to get a list of "regular mac shortcut keys? What you are saying makes a lot of sense to me! I've only been using my new mac for a couple of dedicated days now, and the hints are already driving me nutty! lol! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> Caitlyn >>>>>> >>>>>> On 2011-03-15, at 6:58 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello Desi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm an old Mac user going back about 15 years so I do things the standard Mac way rather than the VO way. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The hints drive me insane because I often disagree with them. I teach people to use Return to select menu items because, should they find themselves with no VoiceOver for some reason, there's a lot they can accomplish without speech or Braille if they know how. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So I teach first letter navigation to find menu items or files or whatever, and standard Mac short cuts such as Control-F2 to open the Apple menu, Control-F3 to go to the Dock and Control-F8 to go to the Status menus. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are lots more short cuts like these which haven't changed in years. I don't know who dreamed up the idea of always using VO-Space bar to do everything but they certainly didn't ask my opinion! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rant over. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Enjoy your new Mac. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anne >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 15 Mar 2011, at 23:21, Desi Noller wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Anne, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you so much! I'll make sure to do it that way from now on! It does seem like that should be something that should be fixed in VoiceOver though, because of course, the verbal hint is to use VO-Space to open the application. Is this information written somewhere? I ask only because I don't remember noticing it, but I would think it should be prominently available! I will readily admit that I am still very new at all this, and am still pretty overwhelmed, so it's very possible that I missed it! Again, many thanks! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A Most Grateful Desi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Sat Mar 19 04:28:45 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:28:45 -0500 Subject: Help building apple scripts In-Reply-To: References: <1F538D17-05D7-43CE-8E4E-325D86E789AC@gmail.com> <7CA34CEA-5A4E-4B32-8947-3F31CFB02087@softcon.com> Message-ID: <7D9E0CE0-70A0-4FBF-B105-70B9E5D042DA@softcon.com> It should be just fine. Apple scripting language hasn't changed much (if at all) since it was introduced. No matter which resource you use to learn the language, it will be time well spent, because you can use that knowledge to script just about anything in osx provided the application supports it. You can get at the applescript dictionary of any program that supports applescript to look at it's commands, though some of them will not always do what you might expect from their names. :) Anyway, after you get a handle on stand-alone scripting, you'll be amazed at the things you can do with it. On Mar 18, 2011, at 11:10 PM, John Gunn wrote: > Travis, > > Thanks for the below link, good resource. > > I went to BookShare and found AppleScript in a Nut Shell and my > question, this was written in 2002, is this still current with > today's OSX? > > Take care, > > John > > > On Mar 14, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > >> Well, first, you need to learn apple scripting. This is probably >> best done by reading the apple script programming guide located at: >> http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/AppleScript/ >> Conceptual/AppleScriptLangGuide/introduction/ASLR_intro.html >> You might want to download the pdf file linked on that page, so >> you can have the entire guide in one place. >> After that, the best thing to do is just to write a few scripts, >> and see how they work for you. You can get the scripts I've >> written for public comsumption at >> http://www.softcon.com/mac/scripts/ >> And, of course there's some example scripts on your machine under >> applications in the applescript/examplescripts, or in automater >> where you can build apple scripts from predefined actions. >> Hope this helps. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac- >> access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted >> to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, >> Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac- > access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted > to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Sat Mar 19 04:31:51 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 23:31:51 -0500 Subject: short cut keys for mac, was In-Reply-To: References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> <38726A25-5FDF-4473-B10F-C5EA376BA213@anarchie.org.uk> <161AAD4A-65AB-4254-A9C5-7C2142E066C1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0E7EF00F-DAFF-4BAC-922D-030B3CD18FDA@softcon.com> Would there be any sort of a call for a comprehensive list of applications and their shortcut keys to be all in one place? I guess what I'm asking, is such a resource already available, or would it be worth my time (and yours) to start such a resource, then allow folks to add to the list as new applications and versions are released. If anyone thinks this would be a good idea, I can implement it relatively quickly, then we'd have a single location for all of those programs and their shortcut keys. It's likely someone else has already done this, and if so, that's fine. I'm not looking to reinvent the wheel. If ther's enough interest though, I'll put something together for general use. From kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com Sat Mar 19 06:17:41 2011 From: kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com (Kawal Gucukoglu) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 06:17:41 +0000 Subject: MobileMe Renewal Hell In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <499A5F48-DBDF-478C-B730-273CFE8F35FC@sent.com> I have a mobile me account and thus far can access it from the mobile me in my system preferences on my Mac although it's not due to expire until July. Just hope the MobileMe website has been improved then. Kawal. On 18 Mar 2011, at 16:02, Chris Moore wrote: > Hi gang, > > Do any of you have mobileme accounts? Have any of you had to renew your mobile me account and update your credit card details after your current card expires? > > I have just received an email from Mobileme informing me that my subscription is due for renewal and that I need to update my card details or my account and its contents will be deleted. So I thought ok let's wrestle with the pretty much inaccessible mobileme website. Anyway with a bit of playing around I managed to get to the appropriate page to amend my payment details and just as I arrived at the end of the form I was hit with a screen capture. Yes Apple has one! And no, there was no audio alternative. As there was no one sighted nearby I thought hmmm I will just have to call Apple. > > I rang Apple and had an argument with their automated voice recognition system and eventually got put through to a real person, who then had to put me through to another real person, who then had to put me through to a different real person. The final real person could not really help me but offered to log onto the mobile me website and clicked on the mobileme chat technical support link. So I am passing details down the phone and this guy is then typing them into a chat window and the 3 of us are going back and forth. Eventually technical support guy on the other side of the chat window came back and said he was unable to accept any payment details over the chat window. > > So as you can see it was a waste of time and mobileme do not appear to have a telephone either. So apart from getting a real person in the flesh with eyes that work to help you update the inaccessible website, I can't see how a blind user is going to complete this process themselves. > > Great service Apple, and I hope Lion makes mobileme more accessible or I will take my business elsewhere. > > Chris > *in a huff and not amused :( > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ____ Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 From support at mac-access.net Sat Mar 19 07:52:41 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:52:41 +0000 Subject: Dual New Member Welcome Message-ID: Hello everybody Please do not reply to this thread on list unless your reply has a direct relevance to their Mac use or interest. 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Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Sat Mar 19 11:57:20 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 11:57:20 +0000 Subject: short cut keys for mac, was In-Reply-To: <0E7EF00F-DAFF-4BAC-922D-030B3CD18FDA@softcon.com> References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> <38726A25-5FDF-4473-B10F-C5EA376BA213@anarchie.org.uk> <161AAD4A-65AB-4254-A9C5-7C2142E066C1@gmail.com> <0E7EF00F-DAFF-4BAC-922D-030B3CD18FDA@softcon.com> Message-ID: <277E1C18-22AE-4230-98F6-31C57EBA4A3F@gmail.com> Hi Travis! Well I think it is a good idea! Here is a link to one that I found! If you take a look I think you might give another version! [ or not] :] Well here you go! http://www.danrodney.com/mac/ Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 19 Mar 2011, at 04:31, Travis Siegel wrote: > Would there be any sort of a call for a comprehensive list of applications and their shortcut keys to be all in one place? I guess what I'm asking, is such a resource already available, or would it be worth my time (and yours) to start such a resource, then allow folks to add to the list as new applications and versions are released. > If anyone thinks this would be a good idea, I can implement it relatively quickly, then we'd have a single location for all of those programs and their shortcut keys. It's likely someone else has already done this, and if so, that's fine. I'm not looking to reinvent the wheel. If there's enough interest though, I'll put something together for general use. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Sat Mar 19 14:27:22 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 07:27:22 -0700 Subject: short cut keys for mac, was In-Reply-To: <0E7EF00F-DAFF-4BAC-922D-030B3CD18FDA@softcon.com> References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> <38726A25-5FDF-4473-B10F-C5EA376BA213@anarchie.org.uk> <161AAD4A-65AB-4254-A9C5-7C2142E066C1@gmail.com> <0E7EF00F-DAFF-4BAC-922D-030B3CD18FDA@softcon.com> Message-ID: Hi Travis, I know there are some lists out there, but I'm not sure how complete they are. As pretty much still a newby at the Mac, I would love such a truly comprehensive list, but realize that others may have different ideas! Maybe some of the real long-time Mac users, of which you may be one yourself, could let us know how to make it the most complete list possible. I've heard some discussion on this list that would seem to imply that many folks think using the Mac OS X keyboard shortcuts is preferable to always using VoiceOver commands for everything, so how did you all figure these out? Desi On Mar 18, 2011, at 9:31 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > Would there be any sort of a call for a comprehensive list of applications and their shortcut keys to be all in one place? I guess what I'm asking, is such a resource already available, or would it be worth my time (and yours) to start such a resource, then allow folks to add to the list as new applications and versions are released. > If anyone thinks this would be a good idea, I can implement it relatively quickly, then we'd have a single location for all of those programs and their shortcut keys. It's likely someone else has already done this, and if so, that's fine. I'm not looking to reinvent the wheel. If ther's enough interest though, I'll put something together for general use. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Sat Mar 19 15:42:07 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 10:42:07 -0500 Subject: short cut keys for mac, was In-Reply-To: <277E1C18-22AE-4230-98F6-31C57EBA4A3F@gmail.com> References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> <38726A25-5FDF-4473-B10F-C5EA376BA213@anarchie.org.uk> <161AAD4A-65AB-4254-A9C5-7C2142E066C1@gmail.com> <0E7EF00F-DAFF-4BAC-922D-030B3CD18FDA@softcon.com> <277E1C18-22AE-4230-98F6-31C57EBA4A3F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <72B59C69-205C-4D51-BC14-7B4556C44B52@softcon.com> On Mar 19, 2011, at 6:57 AM, Colin M wrote: > > http://www.danrodney.com/mac / Well, other than his calling the command a control equivalent, and the option key the alt equivalent, and no mention of the control key, I have to wonder why this list has so much ava script built in to it. Really, it's just a list, there's no need for javascript on the page. Yes, I'll build something else. You'll be able to choose by program and version, system keys or vo keys, and it will only show the ones you select. Of course, if you really do want the entire list, you can have that too, but .... Give me a few days to work on the interface, and I'll drop the url here for folks to add their favorite programs. I'll of course check all submissions, to ensure nobody is just putting in junk to confuse folks, but I expect there will be little of that. Hth. From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Mar 19 17:51:17 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 10:51:17 -0700 Subject: taking college courses with the mac online or otherwise? In-Reply-To: References: <4160B5F9-0314-41C6-8555-9755CEBF014A@mac-access.net> <205E0437-A71A-4519-8507-B3A112DFF3A5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E5C648A-7B20-4E2D-BD95-618EAEA76A33@gmail.com> That is the new thing the schools are out with. It is like blackboard but not vary accessible. On 18/03/2011, at 15:47, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Sara, > > I don't know what angel is! lol! > > Having all sorts of fun figureing out pages, though. > > Need some help maybe with setting up fusion if I get desperate, but really don't wanna put windows on here in any way if I don't have to... > > Cait > skype name caitlynfurness > twitter Ms_Lavendar > > On 2011-03-17, at 9:59 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Godo luck using angel if htey do switch. I hear that is not accessibil at all wiht safari. >> >> Take care. >> >> >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On Mar 17, 2011, at 5:09 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> >>> Justin, >>> >>> I can't answer directly about the mac just yet, and pages especially, but I am about to find out. >>> >>> I'm a grad student taking courses in clinical nutrition at a smaller school in Richmond BC. All my classes are online, but it's mostly a guided type study with deadlines and all the tests are on the web on the school's web site on a secure server which I have to log into. >>> >>> Up until this point, I've done this by scanning my texts with k1000, reading the required work with that, using the bookmark feature, making notes, etc, using my braille sense note taker, and then going online to the web site, logging in to the test site and taking the test(which has a time limit), using window eyes or nvda as the primery screen reader. >>> >>> Now that my pc is basically dead and I'm on the mac pretty much full time, I'll have to see how reading my texts in pages is, devise a new way to mark important places in them, and see how the web pages for tests is with safari is, although I have to admit it's a pretty straightforward type site, with standard radio buttons, lists, and that sort of thing. >>> >>> I haven't tried blackboard yet, but an upcoming course will have that as part of it. >>> >>> My school didn't know anything about accessability, but they've been great. I hope you have luck, and write privately if you want. >>> >>> Caitlyn >>> >>> On 2011-03-16, at 3:29 AM, Justin Mann wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> I am looking at the prospect of going back to school either online or via ground as we call it so I've been doing some research with the various disabled student service's departments of universities in my area and can't seem to get a straight answer. At this point, are there any accessibility issues with using things like blackboard and/or other course delivery systems on the mac? Is performing formatting functions for say a research paper doable in iWork without an issue? >>>> Right now, I'm being told that if I don't use jaws, I will have no ability to make this work since Jaws is the most technologically advance screen-reader for what it is? *lol* Forgive me if this sounds rambling but I just want to make sure that I've not missed anything. >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sat Mar 19 17:58:56 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 14:58:56 -0300 Subject: loss of settings. Message-ID: <84E1DD8948544154994B49DFEF2FB23C@MainComputer> Hi Folks: Every once and a while, I seem to loose my settings: my keyboard commander is turned off, my announcement settings reverts to factory settings, etc. Anyone know why this is happening and how I could prevent it? Thanks all over the place gang. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Mar 19 19:12:12 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 12:12:12 -0700 Subject: loss of settings. In-Reply-To: <84E1DD8948544154994B49DFEF2FB23C@MainComputer> References: <84E1DD8948544154994B49DFEF2FB23C@MainComputer> Message-ID: <7177FC97-D600-4083-8A2B-DE63BF7C9785@gmail.com> Nope. this is a known bug since last year. Just back up your settings via the export prefs under file in vo utility. and reimport them if that happens. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 19, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hi Folks: > > Every once and a while, I seem to loose my settings: my keyboard commander is turned off, my announcement settings reverts to factory settings, etc. > > Anyone know why this is happening and how I could prevent it? > > Thanks all over the place gang. > > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lmumford at uga.edu Sat Mar 19 19:09:54 2011 From: lmumford at uga.edu (Linda Mumford) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 19:09:54 +0000 Subject: short cut keys for mac, was Message-ID: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283004011411@SN1PRD0201MB098.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> Hi Travis, As someone about to take the plunge and buy my first Mac, I wanted to tell you how very much I will appreciate having your list of shortcut keys. Thank you so much for taking the time to do this for us. Linda Mumford From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sat Mar 19 20:00:23 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:00:23 -0300 Subject: Automator Virtual Input question. Message-ID: Hi Folks: Does anyone have a working knowledge of Automator Virtual Input. Is it useful for us folks? Here is a link for those who are interested. http://www.singedlabcoat.com/virtualinput/index.html Thanks. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From lavendar at bell.net Sat Mar 19 21:48:47 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:48:47 -0400 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: <1B5D365C-C26D-404A-AF44-A5D5CA7744A8@mac.com> References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <46ACD73E-624B-4018-BD91-75AF3B07157A@mac-access.net> <2D94EC21-AE1B-4A91-9A04-5AE30E459223@computing.dcu.ie> <1B5D365C-C26D-404A-AF44-A5D5CA7744A8@mac.com> Message-ID: Wow, thanks for all this info! Makes me almost want to go out and get an i pad now to add to my ever growing stash of apple stuff.. I really like the Rachel and Graham voices. For some reason, the american ones never sound "right" to me. Laura is somewhat listenable, though. I might get these if I can figure out how to sort them out. Cait On Mar 18, 2011, at 1:46 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi D?nal, > > Try the Assistiveware site page for the voice samples: > http://www.assistiveware.com/ivoxsamples.php? > > You can also hear these voices in iPhone apps. I have Speak It!, which lets you read copied text files (and save audio) in 4 of the Infovox voices. The basic app ($1.99) from Future Apps, Inc. comes with Heather (U.S.), Graham (U.K.), Lucy (U.K.), and Ryan (U.S.). You can buy additional voices through in-app purchase for $0.99 each. I mostly used this on the iPad before the language rotor got working to read text in other languages (French, Russian, etc.) > > ? Speak It! Text to Speech ($1.99) by FutureApps is available internationally at the iTunes Store: > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/speak-it-text-to-speech/id308629295?mt=8 > > The other source of text to speech voices that I liked (on the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad) are from Loquendo -- again, mainly for the other languages (very nice male Russian voice and a nice Chinese voice). These aren't available on the Mac as far as I know, but there's a free app called iTranslate - free Translator for the iPad that uses the Loquendo voices: > ? iTranslate - free Translator (free, iPad only) by Sonico GmbH > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/itranslate-free-translator/id397730127?mt=8 > > There are included voices to speak the text (original or translated) for English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean. These are the Loquendo voices. The Russian voice is the female voice (Olga, not Dmitry), but quite good. There's no counterpart to the iPad version on the iPhone or iPod Touch, and the iPad version doesn't have the current bug for the iTranslate and iTranslate Pro apps on the iPhone and iPod Touch, where the language isn't announced on the picker wheel as you move it, but can only be checked when you move back to the main page. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Mar 17, 2011, at 07:15, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Gordon, those iVox voices. Are their demos available do you know? >> On 17 Mar 2011, at 16:28, Gordon Smith wrote: >> >>> Hi Chris >>> >>> I agree, Fred is awful and so are the rest of the old Apple voices. Things are getting better though and I still maintain that Infovox is the best synthetic voice suite on this planet. Especially Rachel who reads with a clarity unmatched, let alone unsurpassed, by any other synthesised voice anywhere. >>> >>> I must send you a demo of iVox if you haven't heard it. I think you'll change your mind about things. :) >>> >>> Gordon >>> >>> On 17 Mar 2011, at 15:46, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>> Really? Man I just can't listen to those 1980s old Macintosh voices, they are so bad and i personally fined them hard to understand. I absolutely love Alex, and with 4gb of RAM he seems fine. I can listen to him pretty fast too I like the real sounding voices if I need to listen to large documents. But overall, Alex does it for me. I guess its a matter of what you are used to and I am fairly new to the TTS world. I guess you have been listening to those other voices for much longer and have got used to them. I don't even think the JAWS voice is too bad now, does quack a lot though (or is he saying blank?) :) >>> >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From billd at insightbb.com Sat Mar 19 23:46:17 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 19:46:17 -0400 Subject: sirius app for I Phones Message-ID: hello to all, yesterday I found an app for sirius XM in the app store. from what I can tell it isn't speach friendly. or maybe it might be me. I got into the app after i got it set up and found a music channel. I got the wrong one by mistake and I couldn't get out of it. I couldn't get the music stopped only by shutting the phone off. finally I found that I could get it stopped by using a three finger tap which also stoops the speach. I was wondering if anyone else on the list has tried the app and what luck did you have with it. maybe you could share some tips with me. Thank you in advance. Bill Deatherage? From christy at compaccessable.com Sat Mar 19 23:55:06 2011 From: christy at compaccessable.com (Christy Schulte) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 18:55:06 -0500 Subject: sirius app for I Phones References: Message-ID: <4CED4BE213794F7A9DA0BE7CB01D6D8B@NEWDESKTOP> I haven't tried the app, but I've found this to be annoyingly common with a lot of apps that stream music and other things. The two finger double tap that works in the ipod app doesn't seem to work with most of them. However, there is a universal way to shut down apps without shutting off the IPhone. Are you aware of the app switcher? If not I'll send more info, but if so, you can just use the app switcher to shut down the specific app and bye bye music. Christy ************************* Christy Schulte, Independent Scentsy Consultant Ask me about Scentsy's flameless, scented candles and other safe, fragrant items, or visit my website at https://safeandfragrant.scentsy.us/home ************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Deatherage" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 6:46 PM Subject: sirius app for I Phones hello to all, yesterday I found an app for sirius XM in the app store. from what I can tell it isn't speach friendly. or maybe it might be me. I got into the app after i got it set up and found a music channel. I got the wrong one by mistake and I couldn't get out of it. I couldn't get the music stopped only by shutting the phone off. finally I found that I could get it stopped by using a three finger tap which also stoops the speach. I was wondering if anyone else on the list has tried the app and what luck did you have with it. maybe you could share some tips with me. Thank you in advance. Bill Deatherage? _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3516 - Release Date: 03/19/11 07:34:00 From orin8722 at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 00:14:26 2011 From: orin8722 at gmail.com (Orin) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:14:26 -0400 Subject: Joining files with Amadeus Pro Message-ID: <9168E0C9-5E2B-464D-AF9F-90E208DD3978@gmail.com> Hey all, So basically I have two MP3 files I want to make a podcast with. I have an MP3 of me telling the listeners that this recording was recorded several months back etc, and the other file is that actual recording. How do I join one file to the other so that the one telling listeners info about the recording plays first? I'm having issues with the play head and it moving to where I want. I read the guide on I can Work this thing and still no luck with it. I saw a join files in the sound menu, but you have to drag files there which is meh with VOiceOver. Thanks for the help. Orin orin8722 at gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 00:15:57 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (test) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 17:15:57 -0700 Subject: sirius app for I Phones In-Reply-To: <4CED4BE213794F7A9DA0BE7CB01D6D8B@NEWDESKTOP> References: <4CED4BE213794F7A9DA0BE7CB01D6D8B@NEWDESKTOP> Message-ID: <9932B76D-DE7F-4830-9F4E-3CA732041C89@gmail.com> or you can hit power to lock the screen and then hold the home key and that should kill that app but I have not gotten that to work. 100 percent of the time. Take care. On Mar 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Christy Schulte wrote: > I haven't tried the app, but I've found this to be annoyingly common with a lot of apps that stream music and other things. The two finger double tap that works in the ipod app doesn't seem to work with most of them. > > However, there is a universal way to shut down apps without shutting off the IPhone. Are you aware of the app switcher? If not I'll send more info, but if so, you can just use the app switcher to shut down the specific app and bye bye music. > Christy > > ************************* > Christy Schulte, Independent Scentsy Consultant > Ask me about Scentsy's flameless, scented candles and other safe, fragrant items, or visit my website at https://safeandfragrant.scentsy.us/home > ************************* > ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Deatherage" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 6:46 PM > Subject: sirius app for I Phones > > > hello to all, > yesterday I found an app for sirius XM in the app store. from what I can tell it isn't speach friendly. or maybe it might be me. I got into the app after i got it set up and found a music channel. I got the wrong one by mistake and I couldn't get out of it. I couldn't get the music stopped only by shutting the phone off. finally I found that I could get it stopped by using a three finger tap which also stoops the speach. I was wondering if anyone else on the list has tried the app and what luck did you have with it. maybe you could share some tips with me. > Thank you in advance. > Bill Deatherage? > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3516 - Release Date: 03/19/11 07:34:00 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 01:05:26 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 18:05:26 -0700 Subject: Joining files with Amadeus Pro In-Reply-To: <9168E0C9-5E2B-464D-AF9F-90E208DD3978@gmail.com> References: <9168E0C9-5E2B-464D-AF9F-90E208DD3978@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello. go to sound and hten join and then browse for the files. it is the first button. then hit join and there ya go. I would label ethem 01 and 02 foreasier joining.. Take care. On Mar 19, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Orin wrote: > Hey all, > > So basically I have two MP3 files I want to make a podcast with. I have an MP3 of me telling the listeners that this recording was recorded several months back etc, and the other file is that actual recording. > > How do I join one file to the other so that the one telling listeners info about the recording plays first? I'm having issues with the play head and it moving to where I want. > > I read the guide on I can Work this thing and still no luck with it. I saw a join files in the sound menu, but you have to drag files there which is meh with VOiceOver. > > Thanks for the help. > > > Orin > orin8722 at gmail.com > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks > Skype: orin1112 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Mar 20 03:06:48 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 03:06:48 +0000 Subject: Finally Found! Message-ID: <24C74A98-9C4B-41E4-A1C4-3B86005F216E@mac-access.net> Hello everybody As long-term members of this group will know now I think, Gordon and I have long been searching for an archive utility with a GUI which would give us accessibility, plus support for our favourite methods of archival. Well, last night while looking for something else totally unrelated, I stumbled across this programme. Its name is "Sarchiver" and it supports most popular formats of archiving, including RAR. So I went and checked it out and, finally, I have what I have been searching for for quite some time. There is only one thing missing as it seems to me; the ability to insert comments into one's RAR archive. If you'd like to take a gander at any of the company's products, I'll first give you the website for Sarchive. They also do a backup programme which might interest some. Here is the URL: Enjoy. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 03:16:29 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:16:29 -0700 Subject: Finally Found! In-Reply-To: <24C74A98-9C4B-41E4-A1C4-3B86005F216E@mac-access.net> References: <24C74A98-9C4B-41E4-A1C4-3B86005F216E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <2F6002E8-AF7E-4BE5-AB30-1236FB1336FF@gmail.com> Oh yeah I love sarchiver and have been using it for about 6 months now. It is the best program out there. and the unarchiver does a very good job to. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 19, 2011, at 8:06 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > As long-term members of this group will know now I think, Gordon and I have long been searching for an archive utility with a GUI which would give us accessibility, plus support for our favourite methods of archival. > > Well, last night while looking for something else totally unrelated, I stumbled across this programme. Its name is "Sarchiver" and it supports most popular formats of archiving, including RAR. So I went and checked it out and, finally, I have what I have been searching for for quite some time. > > There is only one thing missing as it seems to me; the ability to insert comments into one's RAR archive. If you'd like to take a gander at any of the company's products, I'll first give you the website for Sarchive. They also do a backup programme which might interest some. Here is the URL: > > > Enjoy. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Mar 20 03:34:55 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 03:34:55 +0000 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <2CB47588-E9B5-4EB3-B3D0-39F69FED7240@mac-access.net> Hello Caitlyn On 18 Mar 2011, at 17:10, Caitlyn Furness wrote: Can you use these with voiceover? Hope this isn't a dumb question.. It's not a dumb question at all. We haven't had chance to try them yet but yes, in theory, they do work. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Mar 20 03:36:20 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 03:36:20 +0000 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: <2D94EC21-AE1B-4A91-9A04-5AE30E459223@computing.dcu.ie> References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <46ACD73E-624B-4018-BD91-75AF3B07157A@mac-access.net> <2D94EC21-AE1B-4A91-9A04-5AE30E459223@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Hello Donol On 17 Mar 2011, at 17:15, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: Gordon, those iVox voices. Are their demos available do you know? Yes. You can get demos online at the assistiveware website, and you can download the voices. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Mar 20 03:40:24 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 03:40:24 +0000 Subject: Take control books In-Reply-To: References: <01E4F41E-1365-4684-A35B-559E929DBF91@me.com> <415086B9-8D7A-411E-9E7C-DCA70A714FC0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Cait We still haven't heard from you regarding this. If we can help at all, please drop us a line at and we'll be happy to assist. Lynne On 18 Mar 2011, at 20:17, Caitlyn Furness wrote: thanks a lot, Gordon! Now the hard part is narrowing it down to which ones to start with! Cait From lynne at mac-access.net Sun Mar 20 03:48:03 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 03:48:03 +0000 Subject: Finally Found! In-Reply-To: <2F6002E8-AF7E-4BE5-AB30-1236FB1336FF@gmail.com> References: <24C74A98-9C4B-41E4-A1C4-3B86005F216E@mac-access.net> <2F6002E8-AF7E-4BE5-AB30-1236FB1336FF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00AF9A8D-151D-4320-9CF6-3857FF2FFE8A@mac-access.net> Hello Sarah The problem is that it doesn't remove the .ds_store files from a directory. Also you don't seem to be able to insert an archive comment. Lynne On 20 Mar 2011, at 03:16, Sarah Alawami wrote: Oh yeah I love sarchiver and have been using it for about 6 months now. It is the best program out there. and the unarchiver does a very good job to. From n0oxy at charter.net Sun Mar 20 04:57:11 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 23:57:11 -0500 Subject: sirius app for I Phones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <575D3506-97E8-4B91-9549-11C887A83EE5@charter.net> This app used to be accessible, the newest version, however, has the problem you mention, once you select a channel, you can't change it, voiceover cannot see any of the controls. Because of that, I gave it a rading of 1 and commented appropriately, and I would advise others to do the same. This app used to be very accessible, and there is no excuse for this. On Mar 19, 2011, at 6:46 PM, William Deatherage wrote: > hello to all, > yesterday I found an app for sirius XM in the app store. from what I can tell it isn't speach friendly. or maybe it might be me. I got into the app after i got it set up and found a music channel. I got the wrong one by mistake and I couldn't get out of it. I couldn't get the music stopped only by shutting the phone off. finally I found that I could get it stopped by using a three finger tap which also stoops the speach. I was wondering if anyone else on the list has tried the app and what luck did you have with it. maybe you could share some tips with me. > Thank you in advance. > Bill Deatherage? > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 07:45:13 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 08:45:13 +0100 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: <2CB47588-E9B5-4EB3-B3D0-39F69FED7240@mac-access.net> References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <2CB47588-E9B5-4EB3-B3D0-39F69FED7240@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Caitlyn, The Cepstral voices are absolutely horrible in combination with VoiceOver. If VoiceOver doesn't crash, you have hardly any response whatsoever. At least, that was the last time I used them which was only a month ago. Take this with a grain of salt, particularly if a new update has been out since then. Last time I spoke to their support, though, they didn't sound particularly interested in regards to VoiceOver. Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Mar 20, 2011, at 4:34 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Caitlyn > > On 18 Mar 2011, at 17:10, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > > Can you use these with voiceover? Hope this isn't a dumb question.. > > It's not a dumb question at all. We haven't had chance to try them yet but yes, in theory, they do work. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From david.mclean at cox.net Sun Mar 20 07:41:23 2011 From: david.mclean at cox.net (David McLean) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 03:41:23 -0400 Subject: sirius app for I Phones In-Reply-To: <575D3506-97E8-4B91-9549-11C887A83EE5@charter.net> References: <575D3506-97E8-4B91-9549-11C887A83EE5@charter.net> Message-ID: I installed the Siriusxm app on my Ipod and has the same issue you're running into. However when I installed it on my Ipad I found it worked very well. I'm a bit confused why there is a difference but that is what I found. I also found that quite often using the back command on my Focus 40 (chord+b) will return me to the previous screen. There must be a gesture that equates to that command but I haven't discovered it yet. On Mar 20, 2011, at 12:57 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > This app used to be accessible, the newest version, however, has the problem you mention, once you select a channel, you can't change it, voiceover cannot see any of the controls. Because of that, I gave it a rading of 1 and commented appropriately, and I would advise others to do the same. This app used to be very accessible, and there is no excuse for this. > On Mar 19, 2011, at 6:46 PM, William Deatherage wrote: > >> hello to all, >> yesterday I found an app for sirius XM in the app store. from what I can tell it isn't speach friendly. or maybe it might be me. I got into the app after i got it set up and found a music channel. I got the wrong one by mistake and I couldn't get out of it. I couldn't get the music stopped only by shutting the phone off. finally I found that I could get it stopped by using a three finger tap which also stoops the speach. I was wondering if anyone else on the list has tried the app and what luck did you have with it. maybe you could share some tips with me. >> Thank you in advance. >> Bill Deatherage? >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From christy at compaccessable.com Sun Mar 20 08:17:21 2011 From: christy at compaccessable.com (Christy Schulte) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 03:17:21 -0500 Subject: back gesture, was Re: sirius app for I Phones References: <575D3506-97E8-4B91-9549-11C887A83EE5@charter.net> Message-ID: <92236DA35FAA41138EA7A7A8DFB02EDD@NEWDESKTOP> Try taking two fingers and moving back and forth across the screen. They call it a scrub gesture. That's the equivalent of the back command, though I've found that it doesn't work in all situations. Most times it will, though. This is a tricky gesture though, you have to move at least three times, for example from right to left, back right, then back left again and somewhat quickly to get it to take. ************************* Christy Schulte, Independent Scentsy Consultant Ask me about Scentsy's flameless, scented candles and other safe, fragrant items, or visit my website at https://safeandfragrant.scentsy.us/home ************************* From bryansmart at bryansmart.com Sun Mar 20 09:56:43 2011 From: bryansmart at bryansmart.com (Bryan Smart) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 05:56:43 -0400 Subject: For Sale postings Message-ID: Is it alright to create for sale posts here, assuming, of course, that the items are Apple/Mac? Bryan From mcdiemert at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 11:54:32 2011 From: mcdiemert at gmail.com (Matt Diemert) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 07:54:32 -0400 Subject: Gestures In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001401cbe6f5$94405090$bcc0f1b0$@com> Good morning all, I'm fairly new to the mac so forgive the question that I'm certain has been asked before. Is there any method for having access to gestures using the Mac Mini or iMac similar to the ones used on my iPhone. I know there are multi touch mousepads offered by apple, but wasn't sure if VO was supported in this manner. I also remember reading some time back there was an app one could purchase to use an iPhone as a mouse with a mac computer. Anyone have any comments on either of these ideas. Also, any good tips for working with the mail application. Matt D. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Smart Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 5:57 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: For Sale postings Is it alright to create for sale posts here, assuming, of course, that the items are Apple/Mac? Bryan _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 11:56:05 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:56:05 +0000 Subject: Gestures In-Reply-To: <001401cbe6f5$94405090$bcc0f1b0$@com> References: <001401cbe6f5$94405090$bcc0f1b0$@com> Message-ID: <80A39CFF-08B6-412C-A714-927959B7B36B@gmail.com> VO is supported with the magic trackpad On 20 Mar 2011, at 11:54, Matt Diemert wrote: > Good morning all, > I'm fairly new to the mac so forgive the question that I'm certain has been > asked before. > Is there any method for having access to gestures using the Mac Mini or > iMac similar to the ones used on my iPhone. > I know there are multi touch mousepads offered by apple, but wasn't sure if > VO was supported in this manner. I also remember reading some time back > there was an app one could purchase to use an iPhone as a mouse with a mac > computer. Anyone have any comments on either of these ideas. > Also, any good tips for working with the mail application. > > Matt D. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Smart > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 5:57 AM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: For Sale postings > > Is it alright to create for sale posts here, assuming, of course, that the > items are Apple/Mac? > > Bryan > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mcdiemert at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 12:12:47 2011 From: mcdiemert at gmail.com (Matt Diemert) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 08:12:47 -0400 Subject: Gestures In-Reply-To: <80A39CFF-08B6-412C-A714-927959B7B36B@gmail.com> References: <001401cbe6f5$94405090$bcc0f1b0$@com> <80A39CFF-08B6-412C-A714-927959B7B36B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000001cbe6f8$216360f0$642a22d0$@com> Thank you, then this begs the next question, does anyone find the gestures useful enough for a good percentage of navigating with VO, or is keyboard use more efficient. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of william lomas Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 7:56 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Gestures VO is supported with the magic trackpad On 20 Mar 2011, at 11:54, Matt Diemert wrote: > Good morning all, > I'm fairly new to the mac so forgive the question that I'm certain has been > asked before. > Is there any method for having access to gestures using the Mac Mini or > iMac similar to the ones used on my iPhone. > I know there are multi touch mousepads offered by apple, but wasn't sure if > VO was supported in this manner. I also remember reading some time back > there was an app one could purchase to use an iPhone as a mouse with a mac > computer. Anyone have any comments on either of these ideas. > Also, any good tips for working with the mail application. > > Matt D. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Smart > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 5:57 AM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: For Sale postings > > Is it alright to create for sale posts here, assuming, of course, that the > items are Apple/Mac? > > Bryan > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From sadamahmed1992 at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 13:22:26 2011 From: sadamahmed1992 at gmail.com (Sadam Ahmed) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 00:22:26 +1100 Subject: Gestures In-Reply-To: <001401cbe6f5$94405090$bcc0f1b0$@com> References: <001401cbe6f5$94405090$bcc0f1b0$@com> Message-ID: <623D9705-D043-4CDA-8F8B-28A5BD716AE5@gmail.com> HI there, you can get the madic track pad for the mac minni and the imac i believe they work like the track pads on the notebooks hoe this helps regards, SADAM. On 20/03/2011, at 10:54 PM, Matt Diemert wrote: > Good morning all, > I'm fairly new to the mac so forgive the question that I'm certain has been > asked before. > Is there any method for having access to gestures using the Mac Mini or > iMac similar to the ones used on my iPhone. > I know there are multi touch mousepads offered by apple, but wasn't sure if > VO was supported in this manner. I also remember reading some time back > there was an app one could purchase to use an iPhone as a mouse with a mac > computer. Anyone have any comments on either of these ideas. > Also, any good tips for working with the mail application. > > Matt D. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Smart > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 5:57 AM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: For Sale postings > > Is it alright to create for sale posts here, assuming, of course, that the > items are Apple/Mac? > > Bryan > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From sadamahmed1992 at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 15:17:13 2011 From: sadamahmed1992 at gmail.com (sadam ahmed) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 08:17:13 -0700 Subject: VoiceOver 4 Message-ID: HI all, has there been any word about VoiceOver 4 in MAC o s x lion? thanks regards, SADAM. From james.london26 at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 15:27:07 2011 From: james.london26 at gmail.com (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:27:07 +0000 Subject: VoiceOver 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi sadam Unfortunately,, Apple is very secretive about future products. The only place that you'll find any "official" info is on Apple's Mac OS X Lion page: http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/ TC :) James On 20 Mar 2011, at 15:17, sadam ahmed wrote: > HI all, has there been any word about VoiceOver 4 in MAC o s x lion? > thanks regards, SADAM. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From billd at insightbb.com Sun Mar 20 15:45:51 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:45:51 -0400 Subject: sirius app for I Phones In-Reply-To: <9932B76D-DE7F-4830-9F4E-3CA732041C89@gmail.com> References: <4CED4BE213794F7A9DA0BE7CB01D6D8B@NEWDESKTOP> <9932B76D-DE7F-4830-9F4E-3CA732041C89@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4C661DEB-85EE-4C34-B23E-4A2C6C7090DA@insightbb.com> Hello Christy,Thanks for the information. No I am not aware of the app switcher. I am still learning. any information would be appreciated. Bill Deatherage From billd at insightbb.com Sun Mar 20 15:58:05 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:58:05 -0400 Subject: sirius app for I Phones In-Reply-To: <575D3506-97E8-4B91-9549-11C887A83EE5@charter.net> References: <575D3506-97E8-4B91-9549-11C887A83EE5@charter.net> Message-ID: Hello, I agree it needs a one. how do you rate the apps. is there a link for a person to go to. I downloaded the wonder radio app and I have noticed some issues with getting a station to shut down. It looks like there is a trend for stations to be going this way. Maybe if more of us can make our thoughts known something can be done about it. I called Sirius and let them know. I talked to someone who said they would pass the word along but if you could tell me how that i might pass along the rating I will be glad to do this. Bill Deatherage From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 16:09:21 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 09:09:21 -0700 Subject: Finally Found! In-Reply-To: <00AF9A8D-151D-4320-9CF6-3857FF2FFE8A@mac-access.net> References: <24C74A98-9C4B-41E4-A1C4-3B86005F216E@mac-access.net> <2F6002E8-AF7E-4BE5-AB30-1236FB1336FF@gmail.com> <00AF9A8D-151D-4320-9CF6-3857FF2FFE8A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <81C1E0D8-C556-464B-BFC0-45820ED7E3CC@gmail.com> Thought I saw a option to do that under prefs I will have to look again. On 19/03/2011, at 20:48, "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" wrote: > Hello Sarah > > The problem is that it doesn't remove the .ds_store files from a directory. Also you don't seem to be able to insert an archive comment. > > Lynne > > On 20 Mar 2011, at 03:16, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Oh yeah I love sarchiver and have been using it for about 6 months now. It is the best program out there. and the unarchiver does a very good job to. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 17:42:08 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 10:42:08 -0700 Subject: Finally Found! In-Reply-To: <00AF9A8D-151D-4320-9CF6-3857FF2FFE8A@mac-access.net> References: <24C74A98-9C4B-41E4-A1C4-3B86005F216E@mac-access.net> <2F6002E8-AF7E-4BE5-AB30-1236FB1336FF@gmail.com> <00AF9A8D-151D-4320-9CF6-3857FF2FFE8A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4400D2B5-0A6D-4629-86B0-BB6455D595BD@gmail.com> Yeah this is probably not what you want but under misc of prefs in sarchiver check the box that says Automatically remove "__MACOSX" folders from archives Like I said that's probably not what you want but it seems to help when other windows user extract the archives I made on the mac using sarchiver. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 19, 2011, at 8:48 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > The problem is that it doesn't remove the .ds_store files from a directory. Also you don't seem to be able to insert an archive comment. > > Lynne > > On 20 Mar 2011, at 03:16, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Oh yeah I love sarchiver and have been using it for about 6 months now. It is the best program out there. and the unarchiver does a very good job to. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Sun Mar 20 18:16:16 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:16:16 -0300 Subject: Skype voicemail, strange business. Message-ID: Hi Folks: It would seem that I am unable to send a voicemail to another Skype user. It does go through the mechanics but the end user does not receive the voicemail. I sent the same persons a voicemail using my pc computer with no problem. Is this a known issue? Thanks all over the place. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 18:23:10 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:23:10 -0700 Subject: Restoring PPC, SDK 10.4/10.5 and GCC 4.0 Support to Xcode4 Message-ID: <3A68135A-1447-4A24-B19F-5D9FB0F67090@gmail.com> Restoring PPC, SDK 10.4/10.5 and GCC 4.0 Support to Xcode4 Unfortunately Apple decided to drop support for PPC, SDKs 10.4/10.5 and GCC 4.0 in Xcode4. This hasn't been done for technical reasons, though, but only because Apple wanted to do that. If you have a parallel installation of Xcode3 on your Mac, you can easily restore all that functionality to Xcode4. read more: http://bit.ly/gBGaNO From motten53 at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 18:26:44 2011 From: motten53 at gmail.com (Mary Otten) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:26:44 -0700 Subject: sirius app for I Phones In-Reply-To: References: <575D3506-97E8-4B91-9549-11C887A83EE5@charter.net> Message-ID: Hi David, I'm curious what is different about the Sirius app on your IPad that makes it possible for you to be able to change stations. I read the note posted by Al, where he mentions turning off VO and then finding the button to take you back to the categories page. I assume that's not what you're doing with your IPad so am curious what is different. I assume it is the same app, not a separate app for IPads. Mary Mary Otten motten53 at gmail.com From krbarry at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 18:36:18 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 14:36:18 -0400 Subject: apple mail working with gmail problem Message-ID: <4d86491c.9279e60a.0759.28c7@mx.google.com> I've set up a separate gmail account to work with my new Mac. I changed the setting in gmail to allow pop. I can send e-mail from my Mac but for some reason the Mac won't pick up incoming mail. Oddly, my Ipod will do it using the same account. The outgoing server is listed as smtp.gmail.com which is the pop server for outgoing. Apple mail has imap.gmail.com listed for incoming which, of course, is not pop. How do I get Apple Mail to pick up my mail? Any help is greatly appreciated. kevin Kevin Barry If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. From motten53 at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 18:36:17 2011 From: motten53 at gmail.com (Mary Otten) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:36:17 -0700 Subject: sirius app for I Phones In-Reply-To: References: <575D3506-97E8-4B91-9549-11C887A83EE5@charter.net> Message-ID: <71B0DE7C-CDDF-425E-AAAE-F9A43ED4A86A@gmail.com> On the page where you buy the app or get it for free, there is a series of buttons that let you rate the app 1-5 stars and also a form for filling out a review if you want. At least, that's true for ITunes in the Mac. I haven't looked for it on the IOS app store, but surely it must be there? Mary Mary Otten motten53 at gmail.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 18:42:51 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 11:42:51 -0700 Subject: apple mail working with gmail problem In-Reply-To: <4d86491c.9279e60a.0759.28c7@mx.google.com> References: <4d86491c.9279e60a.0759.28c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <13578F8D-2462-4C68-BBE4-021E89AA42B1@gmail.com> You have to change the thing. there i sa mac ox10 hint on the mac ox 10 hints site on how to set up wiht pop. and tjheu even list the port number. it's different but even with all of that set up I still could not pick up any mail. On Mar 20, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: > I've set up a separate gmail account to work with my new Mac. > I changed the setting in gmail to allow pop. > I can send e-mail from my Mac but for some reason the Mac won't pick up incoming mail. > Oddly, my Ipod will do it using the same account. > The outgoing server is listed as smtp.gmail.com which is the pop server for outgoing. > Apple mail has imap.gmail.com listed for incoming which, of course, is not pop. > How do I get Apple Mail to pick up my mail? > Any help is greatly appreciated. > kevin > > > > > Kevin Barry > If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From weavermicha at googlemail.com Sun Mar 20 18:50:18 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:50:18 +0000 Subject: profile manager for i-phone Message-ID: <4d864b39.531be30a.60ed.ffffa060@mx.google.com> i read something on the internet about a profile manager for symbian phones which i think you could set things to turn on and off or change profiles from say general to meetings. is there an equivalent for the i-phone or something which would enable me to switch on the alarm if my phone is off? i know that with the i-phone switched off, the alarm doesn't sound when the alarm clock is set so i am wondering if there is an app that could be used to wake the i-phone at a certain time for my alarm to sound? i ask because i have my alarm set to wake me in the morning and because i am going on holiday in a few days, i have packed my plug for my i-phone in my suitcase rather than my hand luggage so need to save the battery. From david.mclean at cox.net Sun Mar 20 19:28:22 2011 From: david.mclean at cox.net (David McLean) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:28:22 -0400 Subject: sirius app for I Phones In-Reply-To: References: <575D3506-97E8-4B91-9549-11C887A83EE5@charter.net> Message-ID: <5487F7A1-6F0D-4AD7-9245-C1B52EEED10B@cox.net> Well that's the odd thing. On my ipod I can't get it to work at all but using the ipad it works fine. The first thing it does when opened from the ipad to go into landscape mode which I'd imagine gives it a larger screen to display information. It's a bit strange in that I first have to click on a category then click on channels but at that point it shows me all the channels and I Can click on any one of them and get the channel to play. However on the ipod only the currently playing channel shows and I can't get it to stop playing unless I start another app that steals the audio. As far as I know the app for the ipad and iphone/ipod are the same one but they behave completely differently from each other. On Mar 20, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > Hi David, > I'm curious what is different about the Sirius app on your IPad that makes it possible for you to be able to change stations. I read the note posted by Al, where he mentions turning off VO and then finding the button to take you back to the categories page. I assume that's not what you're doing with your IPad so am curious what is different. I assume it is the same app, not a separate app for IPads. > > Mary > > Mary Otten > motten53 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 19:43:21 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:43:21 -0400 Subject: apple mail working with gmail problem In-Reply-To: <13578F8D-2462-4C68-BBE4-021E89AA42B1@gmail.com> References: <4d86491c.9279e60a.0759.28c7@mx.google.com> <13578F8D-2462-4C68-BBE4-021E89AA42B1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4d8658d3.6800340a.2d59.6c43@mx.google.com> Well, deleted the mail account and started over. Stuck with imap this time and, hey, it worked! KB At 02:42 PM 3/20/2011, you wrote: >You have to change the thing. there i sa mac ox10 hint on the mac ox >10 hints site on how to set up wiht pop. and tjheu even list the >port number. it's different but even with all of that set up I still >could not pick up any mail. >On Mar 20, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: > > > I've set up a separate gmail account to work with > my new Mac. > > I changed the setting in gmail to allow pop. > > I can send e-mail from my Mac but for some reason the Mac won't > pick up incoming mail. > > Oddly, my Ipod will do it using the same account. > > The outgoing server is listed as smtp.gmail.com which is the pop > server for outgoing. > > Apple mail has imap.gmail.com listed for incoming which, of > course, is not pop. > > How do I get Apple Mail to pick up my mail? > > Any help is greatly appreciated. > > kevin > > > > > > > > > > Kevin Barry > > If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 20:00:37 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:00:37 -0700 Subject: apple mail working with gmail problem In-Reply-To: <4d8658d3.6800340a.2d59.6c43@mx.google.com> References: <4d86491c.9279e60a.0759.28c7@mx.google.com> <13578F8D-2462-4C68-BBE4-021E89AA42B1@gmail.com> <4d8658d3.6800340a.2d59.6c43@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7CB53EB8-BF69-4DFD-885D-95B50B62AD3E@gmail.com> Yeah I will never go pop especially since I work with about 2 different devices lol! Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 20, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Kevin Barry wrote: > Well, deleted the mail account and started over. > Stuck with imap this time and, hey, it worked! > KB > > At 02:42 PM 3/20/2011, you wrote: >> You have to change the thing. there i sa mac ox10 hint on the mac ox 10 hints site on how to set up wiht pop. and tjheu even list the port number. it's different but even with all of that set up I still could not pick up any mail. >> On Mar 20, 2011, at 11:36 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: >> >> > I've set up a separate gmail account to work with my new Mac. >> > I changed the setting in gmail to allow pop. >> > I can send e-mail from my Mac but for some reason the Mac won't pick up incoming mail. >> > Oddly, my Ipod will do it using the same account. >> > The outgoing server is listed as smtp.gmail.com which is the pop server for outgoing. >> > Apple mail has imap.gmail.com listed for incoming which, of course, is not pop. >> > How do I get Apple Mail to pick up my mail? >> > Any help is greatly appreciated. >> > kevin >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Kevin Barry >> > If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> > >> > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> > >> > >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> > >> > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 20:01:50 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 13:01:50 -0700 Subject: profile manager for i-phone In-Reply-To: <4d864b39.531be30a.60ed.ffffa060@mx.google.com> References: <4d864b39.531be30a.60ed.ffffa060@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4443BCB2-AB13-4444-909F-5FACA674D391@gmail.com> No not that I'm aware of. I could be wrong thrgh but in the 8 or so months since I've had the thing you cannot configure your phone to work that way. On Mar 20, 2011, at 11:50 AM, michael weaver wrote: > i read something on the internet about a profile manager for symbian phones which i think you could set things to turn on and off or change profiles from say general to meetings. > is there an equivalent for the i-phone or something which would enable me to switch on the alarm if my phone is off? > i know that with the i-phone switched off, the alarm doesn't sound when the alarm clock is set so i am wondering if there is an app that could be used to wake the i-phone at a certain time for my alarm to sound? > i ask because i have my alarm set to wake me in the morning and because i am going on holiday in a few days, i have packed my plug for my i-phone in my suitcase rather than my hand luggage so need to save the battery. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Mar 20 21:11:22 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:11:22 +0000 Subject: VoiceOver 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Macrumors and Apple Insider reported that Lion will ship with the option to download 54 different international voices, many english voices. They appear to be the Nuance real speak voices. Sizes ranging from 100mb to half a gigabyte in size. If you look at both sites mentioned above I am sure you will find this story listed on their older pages. You will also find flash examples of the voices too (use click to flash to listen to them if you are using a Mac). On 20 Mar 2011, at 15:27, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > Hi sadam > > Unfortunately,, Apple is very secretive about future products. The only place that you'll find any "official" info is on Apple's Mac OS X Lion page: > > http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/ > > TC :) > James > On 20 Mar 2011, at 15:17, sadam ahmed wrote: > >> HI all, has there been any word about VoiceOver 4 in MAC o s x lion? >> thanks regards, SADAM. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From billd at insightbb.com Sun Mar 20 21:28:05 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:28:05 -0400 Subject: sirius app for I Phones In-Reply-To: <71B0DE7C-CDDF-425E-AAAE-F9A43ED4A86A@gmail.com> References: <575D3506-97E8-4B91-9549-11C887A83EE5@charter.net> <71B0DE7C-CDDF-425E-AAAE-F9A43ED4A86A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Thank you for the information. I will look for it. Bill Deatherage From billd at insightbb.com Sun Mar 20 21:32:12 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 17:32:12 -0400 Subject: interesting issue with Safari Message-ID: Today I was looking up something in Safari and all at once it kicked me out. has anyone had that problem? Bill Deatherage From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 23:11:34 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 16:11:34 -0700 Subject: interesting issue with Safari In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh yeah I have that on certain websites. I usually use webkit which is more stable then safari but yeah. I do have that problem and not much you can do except keep trying. On Mar 20, 2011, at 2:32 PM, William Deatherage wrote: > Today I was looking up something in Safari and all at once it kicked me out. has anyone had that problem? > Bill Deatherage > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Sun Mar 20 23:44:16 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:44:16 -0500 Subject: VoiceOver 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <580D9903-8272-48E5-9985-D3747FB99EBB@charter.net> This is awesome, I really like the realspeak voices, though Alex is good as well, now he will have more friends, hopefully they don't fight, smile. On Mar 20, 2011, at 4:11 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > Macrumors and Apple Insider reported that Lion will ship with the option to download 54 different international voices, many english voices. They appear to be the Nuance real speak voices. Sizes ranging from 100mb to half a gigabyte in size. If you look at both sites mentioned above I am sure you will find this story listed on their older pages. You will also find flash examples of the voices too (use click to flash to listen to them if you are using a Mac). > On 20 Mar 2011, at 15:27, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > >> Hi sadam >> >> Unfortunately,, Apple is very secretive about future products. The only place that you'll find any "official" info is on Apple's Mac OS X Lion page: >> >> http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/ >> >> TC :) >> James >> On 20 Mar 2011, at 15:17, sadam ahmed wrote: >> >>> HI all, has there been any word about VoiceOver 4 in MAC o s x lion? >>> thanks regards, SADAM. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 20 23:54:40 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 16:54:40 -0700 Subject: VoiceOver 4 In-Reply-To: <580D9903-8272-48E5-9985-D3747FB99EBB@charter.net> References: <580D9903-8272-48E5-9985-D3747FB99EBB@charter.net> Message-ID: <10244109-3E35-4042-8A1D-15C858146B3F@gmail.com> Hey that would be a good skit to put together but it would be hard as hades to record though lol! Ok Had to say that but yeah I might not upgrade to lyin as I'm having issues wiht this mac and don't want to break it anymore thenit is lol! On Mar 20, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > This is awesome, I really like the realspeak voices, though Alex is good as well, now he will have more friends, hopefully they don't fight, smile. > On Mar 20, 2011, at 4:11 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Macrumors and Apple Insider reported that Lion will ship with the option to download 54 different international voices, many english voices. They appear to be the Nuance real speak voices. Sizes ranging from 100mb to half a gigabyte in size. If you look at both sites mentioned above I am sure you will find this story listed on their older pages. You will also find flash examples of the voices too (use click to flash to listen to them if you are using a Mac). >> On 20 Mar 2011, at 15:27, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: >> >>> Hi sadam >>> >>> Unfortunately,, Apple is very secretive about future products. The only place that you'll find any "official" info is on Apple's Mac OS X Lion page: >>> >>> http://www.apple.com/macosx/lion/ >>> >>> TC :) >>> James >>> On 20 Mar 2011, at 15:17, sadam ahmed wrote: >>> >>>> HI all, has there been any word about VoiceOver 4 in MAC o s x lion? >>>> thanks regards, SADAM. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gunn at tznet.com Mon Mar 21 00:54:54 2011 From: gunn at tznet.com (John Gunn) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:54:54 -0500 Subject: interesting issue with Safari In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Bill: For a good example, try vmware.com and let me know what happens. Take care, John On Mar 20, 2011, at 4:32 PM, William Deatherage wrote: > Today I was looking up something in Safari and all at once it kicked me out. has anyone had that problem? > Bill Deatherage > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 01:03:59 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:03:59 -0700 Subject: interesting issue with Safari In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh yeah the too many redirects? Yeah I get that to. and I can't even contact there staff about it. well I tried but that went bang really quickly. On Mar 20, 2011, at 5:54 PM, John Gunn wrote: > Hi Bill: > > For a good example, try vmware.com and let me know what happens. > > Take care, > > John > > > On Mar 20, 2011, at 4:32 PM, William Deatherage wrote: > >> Today I was looking up something in Safari and all at once it kicked me out. has anyone had that problem? >> Bill Deatherage >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com Mon Mar 21 07:32:34 2011 From: kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com (Kawal Gucukoglu) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 07:32:34 +0000 Subject: interesting issue with Safari In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <30198F91-5020-4DDE-82A4-AD0A0F15CF92@sent.com> I have the same problem too and I get the problem reporter and endless safari busy. I even get endless finder busy. I installed the OS fresh just a few weeks ago. Kawal. On 20 Mar 2011, at 23:11, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Oh yeah I have that on certain websites. I usually use webkit which is more stable then safari but yeah. I do have that problem and not much you can do except keep trying. > On Mar 20, 2011, at 2:32 PM, William Deatherage wrote: > >> Today I was looking up something in Safari and all at once it kicked me out. has anyone had that problem? >> Bill Deatherage >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ____ Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 From support at mac-access.net Mon Mar 21 08:39:01 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 08:39:01 +0000 Subject: New Member Welcome; [Delayed] Message-ID: <125EE5E7-CDAB-4A38-BCCB-F1BC000B7112@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Please do not reply to this thread on list unless your reply has a direct relevance to their Mac use or interest. 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Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk Mon Mar 21 09:34:22 2011 From: sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk (Sunil Peck) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:34:22 +0000 Subject: Directory of applications accessible with Voiceover Message-ID: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020544@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Hi, I've searched for a directory of applications that work with Voiceover but can't find one so was wondering if there's one out there somewhere? As a new user it would make the learning curve easier if I knew that the apps I was buying in the app store are accessible to totally blind people. Thanks a lot. 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Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the views of Scope. From jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com Mon Mar 21 09:44:03 2011 From: jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com (Jackie Cairns) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:44:03 -0000 Subject: Directory of applications accessible with VoiceOver Message-ID: Hi Sunil Have you registered with or looked on www.applevis.com There is a list of apps there purported to work well with VoiceOver that blind and visually impaired people have tried out. I know these relate to the iPhone, iPod Touch etc, but don't know if they include the Mac as well. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm at work-ability.co.uk www.work-ability.co.uk From sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk Mon Mar 21 09:54:12 2011 From: sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk (Sunil Peck) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:54:12 +0000 Subject: Directory of applications accessible with VoiceOver In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020555@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Hi, I do know about that directory but as far as I'm aware apps that work well on an iPhone aren't always compatible with Voiceover on a Mac. Sunil -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns Sent: 21 March 2011 09:44 To: mac-access at mac-access.net Subject: Directory of applications accessible with VoiceOver Hi Sunil Have you registered with or looked on www.applevis.com There is a list of apps there purported to work well with VoiceOver that blind and visually impaired people have tried out. I know these relate to the iPhone, iPod Touch etc, but don't know if they include the Mac as well. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm at work-ability.co.uk www.work-ability.co.uk _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by guarantee (number 520866). Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. Our VAT number is 805156939. Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been addressed by the sender. This message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if you believe it was transmitted to you in error, you are required to delete the message and any copies of it, and to notify the sender immediately. Any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution, or printing of this message or accompanying files, or unauthorised use of any information contained therein, by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the views of Scope. From jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com Mon Mar 21 10:09:45 2011 From: jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com (Jackie Cairns) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 10:09:45 -0000 Subject: Directory of applications accessible with VoiceOver Message-ID: <0AFCE0F693ED42E7942DEF7B35FFAB45@HP> Hi Sunil No indeed they aren't, but what I meant was whether there might be a list of Mac-related apps that work with VoiceOver on that site in addition to those that work on the iPhone? But if you've visited it, that's one explored. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm at work-ability.co.uk www.work-ability.co.uk From weavermicha at googlemail.com Mon Mar 21 10:39:16 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 10:39:16 +0000 Subject: Directory of applications accessible with VoiceOver Message-ID: <4d8729a0.4af5d80a.7330.ffffd67c@mx.google.com> i think the mac-access net site has a list of applications which are accessible. i managed to find accessible apps for the mac by doing a search on google unless i am getting this confused with accessible apps for the i-phone. > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Sunil Peck To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Date sent: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 09:54:12 +0000 >Subject: RE: Directory of applications accessible with VoiceOver >Hi, >I do know about that directory but as far as I'm aware apps that work well on an iPhone aren't always compatible with Voiceover on a Mac. >Sunil >-----Original Message----- >From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Jackie Cairns >Sent: 21 March 2011 09:44 >To: mac-access at mac-access.net >Subject: Directory of applications accessible with VoiceOver >Hi Sunil >Have you registered with or looked on >www.applevis.com >There is a list of apps there purported to work well with VoiceOver that blind and visually impaired people have tried out. I know these relate to the iPhone, iPod Touch etc, but don't know if they include the Mac as well. >Kind Regards, >Jackie Cairns >J&M Work-Ability >jandm at work-ability.co.uk >www.work-ability.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by >guarantee (number 520866). >Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. >Our VAT number is 805156939. >Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk >This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential >and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been >addressed by the sender. This message may contain confidential and/or >privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this >message, or if you believe it was transmitted to you in error, you are >required to delete the message and any copies of it, and to notify the >sender immediately. Any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution, >or printing of this message or accompanying files, or unauthorised use >of any information contained therein, by anyone other than the >intended recipient(s) is prohibited and may be unlawful. >Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with >it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the >views of Scope. >_______________________________________________ >To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020555@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: <14E22844-15FA-4774-A7FE-6A4AAE969B11@anarchie.org.uk> Hello Sunil, Generally speaking, most applications on the Mac are accessible with VoiceOver, but there's no harm in asking here whether people know if a particular application has accessibility problems. Alternatively, you could ask for recommendations for an application to accomplish a particular task. Cheers, Anne From gordon at mac-access.net Mon Mar 21 11:29:08 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:29:08 +0000 Subject: Sarchiver Message-ID: <639CF43E-A72D-46FA-A659-55C18D37BF69@mac-access.net> Hi all Anybody know how to make Sarchiver not include the ".ds_store" files when creating archives? This is causing me a real problem. Gordon From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Mon Mar 21 11:31:54 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:31:54 +0000 Subject: Directory of applications accessible with VoiceOver In-Reply-To: <14E22844-15FA-4774-A7FE-6A4AAE969B11@anarchie.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020555@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <14E22844-15FA-4774-A7FE-6A4AAE969B11@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: Hi there! I think Sunil was asking about apps from the apps store! I suggested that maybe such apps could be marked with say [vo] at the end of the name! I do not think this would be such a hard or bad thing to do! If a dev has taken the trouble to make their app accessible why not promote that fact and I'm sure they would get very good feedback [Oh well] one can only dream! :] Colin I'm far too bad for Heaven! The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! On 21 Mar 2011, at 11:15, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Sunil, > > Generally speaking, most applications on the Mac are accessible with VoiceOver, but there's no harm in asking here whether people know if a particular application has accessibility problems. > > Alternatively, you could ask for recommendations for an application to accomplish a particular task. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordonkeen at googlemail.com Mon Mar 21 11:49:33 2011 From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:49:33 +0000 Subject: Directory of applications accessible with VoiceOver In-Reply-To: <14E22844-15FA-4774-A7FE-6A4AAE969B11@anarchie.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020555@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <14E22844-15FA-4774-A7FE-6A4AAE969B11@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <301651F5-CF84-4B39-A1A1-A29FD6479BD7@googlemail.com> Hi I may be wrong, usually am, but I'm sure my son, ( the software architect )told me that in order to get in the mac app store the apps had to meet some voiceover compatibility test - or did I mishear him? Cheers G From glorious Devon, England. On 21 Mar 2011, at 11:15, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Sunil, > > Generally speaking, most applications on the Mac are accessible with VoiceOver, but there's no harm in asking here whether people know if a particular application has accessibility problems. > > Alternatively, you could ask for recommendations for an application to accomplish a particular task. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lavendar at bell.net Mon Mar 21 15:48:51 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:48:51 -0400 Subject: question about networking two macs at home Message-ID: Hi, Ok, now that we've had these two macs for about a week now, we want to make them talk to each other, so to speak. We had our two pc's connected in the "home group" and are wondering if there's an equivelent or some such thing with the macs. Mark's had a look in system prefs and gotten totally confused and I simpley haven't had the time to poke around and look myself. I thought asking you guys would cut down on looking in the wrong places. We have a router given to us by our isp that we are using now which is connecting us to the internet. Both macs are connected to that already rather then going wireless. As a sidenote, Mark is also interested if his pc could be added to this new network with the macs, just for file sharing purposes, but someplace in the back of my head I don't think this is possible? Anyway, thanks in advance for any and all help! Ok, back to the books for me for a little while! Caitlyn, buried in pages and really liking it! From lavendar at bell.net Mon Mar 21 17:03:47 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:03:47 -0400 Subject: short cut keys for mac, was In-Reply-To: References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> <38726A25-5FDF-4473-B10F-C5EA376BA213@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: Nick, Thanks! This is very helpful also! I went rounds with the help feature yesterday looking for something and never did find what I wanted that way. I eventually did get the thing done, but not through looking in help! Cait On Mar 18, 2011, at 4:32 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hello Caitlyn, > > There are also commands not listed in those places, such as commands for various types of reboot which you may need to apply, commands to go to various fields, etc. You can always use Command-questionmark to enter the Mac Help (if done from the Finer,) and brows the recommended and basic help topics. If you would like extended help, you can either enter into the search field located in the toolbar, or click the "Index" link to display an alphabetical list if you are not sure what you are looking for. This takes into consideration every help topic available. > > Regards, > Nic > GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com > Facebook > Twitter > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk > Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 > AIM: cincinster > > On Mar 18, 2011, at 8:59 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > >> Thanks, Ann. I'll have a look at those. >> >> I'm sure I'll have a ton of questions as time goes on! >> >> Thanks heaps! >> >> Caitlyn >> >> On 2011-03-17, at 5:09 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: >> >>> Hello Caitlyn, >>> >>> You can find short cuts in two places essentially: the menus for each application (where the short cut is announced after the name of the menu item; and in System Preferences. >>> >>> System Preferences is also where you go to add a short cut of your own. These short cuts are to be found in the Keyboard pane where you will find the Short cuts tab. >>> >>> Here, there are two tables. The first one is where you select the category of short cut, and the second shows the short cuts for the chosen category. >>> >>> If there are short cuts that don't suit you, you can change them to something you prefer. You can also disable short cuts that you never want to use and that might be activated by accident, such as Command-Space bar. >>> >>> Have fun! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> >>> On 17 Mar 2011, at 21:51, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Ann, >>>> >>>> Where does a person go to get a list of "regular mac shortcut keys? What you are saying makes a lot of sense to me! I've only been using my new mac for a couple of dedicated days now, and the hints are already driving me nutty! lol! >>>> >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> Caitlyn >>>> >>>> On 2011-03-15, at 6:58 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Desi, >>>>> >>>>> I'm an old Mac user going back about 15 years so I do things the standard Mac way rather than the VO way. >>>>> >>>>> The hints drive me insane because I often disagree with them. I teach people to use Return to select menu items because, should they find themselves with no VoiceOver for some reason, there's a lot they can accomplish without speech or Braille if they know how. >>>>> >>>>> So I teach first letter navigation to find menu items or files or whatever, and standard Mac short cuts such as Control-F2 to open the Apple menu, Control-F3 to go to the Dock and Control-F8 to go to the Status menus. >>>>> >>>>> There are lots more short cuts like these which haven't changed in years. I don't know who dreamed up the idea of always using VO-Space bar to do everything but they certainly didn't ask my opinion! >>>>> >>>>> Rant over. >>>>> >>>>> Enjoy your new Mac. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> >>>>> Anne >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 15 Mar 2011, at 23:21, Desi Noller wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Anne, >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you so much! I'll make sure to do it that way from now on! It does seem like that should be something that should be fixed in VoiceOver though, because of course, the verbal hint is to use VO-Space to open the application. Is this information written somewhere? I ask only because I don't remember noticing it, but I would think it should be prominently available! I will readily admit that I am still very new at all this, and am still pretty overwhelmed, so it's very possible that I missed it! Again, many thanks! >>>>>> >>>>>> A Most Grateful Desi >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From adrian at dogfish.plus.com Mon Mar 21 17:08:14 2011 From: adrian at dogfish.plus.com (Adrian Higginbotham) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:08:14 -0000 Subject: essential macbook software Message-ID: <000001cbe7ea$911a1400$b34e3c00$@plus.com> Hi all: I take delivery of my 13 inch macbook pro tomorrow - what apps or software should I be looking to install immediately to get me up and running? Web and mail are already there obviously and I've bought preinstalled with iworks but what for example is the best desktop twitter app and should I be usinganything other than itunes for media playback and subscribing to pdcasts. Adrian Higginbotham E: Adrian at dogfish.plus.com Twitter: @AHiggi From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon Mar 21 17:13:49 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:13:49 -0500 Subject: question about networking two macs at home In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <60FC1347-0472-41CC-A47A-24F67E5F6FCA@softcon.com> You sure can. We've had as many as 5 macs, and 2 pcs all talking to one another on our local network. You aren't limited by either os to talk to one another, you're only limited by how much you can configure each machine to do. In system preferences, you need only turn on local sharing, check the services you want to share (web, files, desktops and the like) then on windows, just setup file shares, assign your machines static ips (just to make things easier) and you're all set. Of course, you can attach one mac to another anytime, just by pressing command-l in finder, and typing afp://ip.of.other.mac and login as normal, and you're off and running. But if you don't wish to do this, then just configure the shares, then it will all show up in network under the main computer option in finder (command-shift-c) It's all rather simple once you get the hang of it. But then again, isn't everything? From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon Mar 21 17:23:10 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:23:10 -0500 Subject: essential macbook software In-Reply-To: <000001cbe7ea$911a1400$b34e3c00$@plus.com> References: <000001cbe7ea$911a1400$b34e3c00$@plus.com> Message-ID: <7A1C04D7-B2CA-49A2-A5C1-53C8C8721618@softcon.com> Can't answer that until you get your machine and find out what you want to do with it. You may want vlc (http://www.videoland.org) for alternate formats, of course you'll use safari for browsing, mail for mail, finder for disk exploring, and itunes/quick time for audio files. There's a dvd player that comes with osx, but you may want to try softcon dvd player located at: http://www.softcon.com/mac/ because it gives a bit better access to dvds than the apple supplied player does, I.E. selecting sound tracks on the movie and such. Otherwise, I'd say just wait until you need something to accomplish a particular task, then go hunt down something to handle it. Text edit works very well if your word processing needs are minimal, though it won't do for term papers or college reports or something similar. Otherwise, you will be just fine using text edit. There's a version of text edit on the softcon site that gives word/ line/word counts (which the text edit shipping with osx does not) so you may want to grab that too, but again, try the apps with the os, and when you need something extra, a google search will usually turn up a nice alternative for you. From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 18:39:15 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:39:15 -0700 Subject: essential macbook software In-Reply-To: <7A1C04D7-B2CA-49A2-A5C1-53C8C8721618@softcon.com> References: <000001cbe7ea$911a1400$b34e3c00$@plus.com> <7A1C04D7-B2CA-49A2-A5C1-53C8C8721618@softcon.com> Message-ID: Actually that text edit on the softcon site is dead. I tried that link and it no longer works. or ot didn't about a month ago. Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 21, 2011, at 10:23 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: > Can't answer that until you get your machine and find out what you want to do with it. > You may want vlc (http://www.videoland.org) for alternate formats, of course you'll use safari for browsing, mail for mail, finder for disk exploring, and itunes/quick time for audio files. > There's a dvd player that comes with osx, but you may want to try softcon dvd player located at: > http://www.softcon.com/mac/ > because it gives a bit better access to dvds than the apple supplied player does, I.E. selecting sound tracks on the movie and such. > Otherwise, I'd say just wait until you need something to accomplish a particular task, then go hunt down something to handle it. > Text edit works very well if your word processing needs are minimal, though it won't do for term papers or college reports or something similar. Otherwise, you will be just fine using text edit. > There's a version of text edit on the softcon site that gives word/line/word counts (which the text edit shipping with osx does not) so you may want to grab that too, but again, try the apps with the os, and when you need something extra, a google search will usually turn up a nice alternative for you. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 19:17:24 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (test) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:17:24 -0700 Subject: Sarchiver In-Reply-To: <639CF43E-A72D-46FA-A659-55C18D37BF69@mac-access.net> References: <639CF43E-A72D-46FA-A659-55C18D37BF69@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6E7DF8E4-F4C9-4E56-A74B-746130A28EBE@gmail.com> Hello. I can't help you much except to give you there direct support address. This goes for anybody with a question. they are very very helpful and will work tward a solution. address: feedback at bitpersecond.com Take care all. On Mar 21, 2011, at 4:29 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Anybody know how to make Sarchiver not include the ".ds_store" files when creating archives? This is causing me a real problem. > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 19:34:37 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:34:37 -0700 Subject: 2011 MacBook Pros Crashing Under Load? Message-ID: Will apple come up with a solution? read the forum posts and the article here. http://bit.ly/hENpfY From lavendar at bell.net Mon Mar 21 20:34:44 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:34:44 -0400 Subject: preview pane in mail question Message-ID: Hi, Is there any reason to not use vo j for reading messages in mail? What would happen if you turned off the preview pane, or can you even do this? Thanks, Cait From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 20:39:00 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:39:00 -0700 Subject: preview pane in mail question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can turn off the preview pain. that's the first thing I do when setting up someone's email account, or mine for that matter. 1. go to the horizontal splitter before the preview pain and vo cmd f5 on it. 2. Now double click it with your physical mouse and it should be gone. 3. you will know it's gone when you have that splitter all the way to the right. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any reason to not use vo j for reading messages in mail? What would happen if you turned off the preview pane, or can you even do this? > > Thanks, > Cait > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From anne at anarchie.org.uk Mon Mar 21 21:06:52 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:06:52 +0100 Subject: preview pane in mail question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <93E93481-6B4C-4DFE-82F1-E6FDD6B6C678@anarchie.org.uk> Hello Caitlyn, When you have the preview pane in Mail, as soon as you land on a message, it's marked as read. If you get rid of the preview pane as explained by Sarah, you can decide whether to open a particular message or not. I'm with Sarah on this one, I always get rid of the Preview pane. You can then read messages simply by pressing Return to open them, and either Delete to delete them or CMd-W to close them. Cheers, Anne On 21 Mar 2011, at 21:34, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Hi, > > Is there any reason to not use vo j for reading messages in mail? What would happen if you turned off the preview pane, or can you even do this? > > Thanks, > Cait > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Mon Mar 21 21:13:15 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:13:15 -1000 Subject: preview pane in mail question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C941925-1687-416B-8363-D509AF7526B2@mac.com> Hi Cait, Sarah explained how to turn off the preview pane, but not why you might want to do it. By default, the window for mail displays the message for the currently selected post in the messages table below the horizontal splitter. If you navigate through the messages table, posts that are displayed in the preview pane this way are marked "read", because they're visible to the user. If the preview pane is hidden, so that the horizontal splitter is dropped to the bottom of the mail window (meaning that all the window space is allocated to the messages table and none to viewing the currently selected message), then posts are still marked unread as you navigate through the messages table. This also means that the VO-J command doesn't work any longer, because it jumps between related items in the same window, and there's no longer any area for the message to be displayed in the mail window. Instead, when you are at the message you choose to read, you must press the return key to launch a new window in which the post is displayed, and close the window with Command-W when you are done. As I write this, I wonder whether the people who are finding that VoiceOver disappears with mail (Mike Busboom's thread last week; Mark's report that this happens every time he uses mail, Eric's report that this seems related to memory leaks) aren't finding the problems aggravated by this setting. Launching multiple windows and closing them probably is less efficient on releasing memory if you keep your system up for long periods of time (e.g., weeks or months) without a reboot. I know that most laptop users tend to "sleep" their machines. Certainly, mailing list reading has exploded in recent months on this list and other related ones. Hmmm. This shouldn't be a large effect, but maybe small inefficiencies are being magnified here. Anyway, I'll spend more time thinking about this. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Mar 21, 2011, at 10:39, Sarah Alawami wrote: > You can turn off the preview pain. that's the first thing I do when setting up someone's email account, or mine for that matter. > > 1. go to the horizontal splitter before the preview pain and vo cmd f5 on it. > > 2. Now double click it with your physical mouse and it should be gone. > > 3. you will know it's gone when you have that splitter all the way to the right. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Is there any reason to not use vo j for reading messages in mail? What would happen if you turned off the preview pane, or can you even do this? >> >> Thanks, >> Cait >> From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Mon Mar 21 21:17:51 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:17:51 +0000 Subject: preview pane in mail question In-Reply-To: <6C941925-1687-416B-8363-D509AF7526B2@mac.com> References: <6C941925-1687-416B-8363-D509AF7526B2@mac.com> Message-ID: <9996D61C-2282-4016-A352-B04C9431FBDD@computing.dcu.ie> Esther, I'm going to top post. I just wonder whether you might be on to something here. When lots of windows have been opened, I wonder if some child processes have been created and not properly stopped? It could be a memory leak issue as you suggest, but I just throw the other option into the mix as a thought. Cheers, D?nal On 21 Mar 2011, at 21:13, Esther wrote: > Hi Cait, > > Sarah explained how to turn off the preview pane, but not why you might want to do it. By default, the window for mail displays the message for the currently selected post in the messages table below the horizontal splitter. If you navigate through the messages table, posts that are displayed in the preview pane this way are marked "read", because they're visible to the user. If the preview pane is hidden, so that the horizontal splitter is dropped to the bottom of the mail window (meaning that all the window space is allocated to the messages table and none to viewing the currently selected message), then posts are still marked unread as you navigate through the messages table. This also means that the VO-J command doesn't work any longer, because it jumps between related items in the same window, and there's no longer any area for the message to be displayed in the mail window. Instead, when you are at the message you choose to read, you must press the return key to l > aunch a new window in which the post is displayed, and close the window with Command-W when you are done. > > As I write this, I wonder whether the people who are finding that VoiceOver disappears with mail (Mike Busboom's thread last week; Mark's report that this happens every time he uses mail, Eric's report that this seems related to memory leaks) aren't finding the problems aggravated by this setting. Launching multiple windows and closing them probably is less efficient on releasing memory if you keep your system up for long periods of time (e.g., weeks or months) without a reboot. I know that most laptop users tend to "sleep" their machines. Certainly, mailing list reading has exploded in recent months on this list and other related ones. Hmmm. This shouldn't be a large effect, but maybe small inefficiencies are being magnified here. Anyway, I'll spend more time thinking about this. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Mar 21, 2011, at 10:39, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> You can turn off the preview pain. that's the first thing I do when setting up someone's email account, or mine for that matter. >> >> 1. go to the horizontal splitter before the preview pain and vo cmd f5 on it. >> >> 2. Now double click it with your physical mouse and it should be gone. >> >> 3. you will know it's gone when you have that splitter all the way to the right. >> >> Take care. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Is there any reason to not use vo j for reading messages in mail? What would happen if you turned off the preview pane, or can you even do this? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Cait >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From billd at insightbb.com Mon Mar 21 21:22:58 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:22:58 -0400 Subject: interesting issue with Safari In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: thanks Sarah. Bill Deatherage From lavendar at bell.net Mon Mar 21 21:37:27 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 17:37:27 -0400 Subject: short cut keys for mac, was In-Reply-To: <277E1C18-22AE-4230-98F6-31C57EBA4A3F@gmail.com> References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> <38726A25-5FDF-4473-B10F-C5EA376BA213@anarchie.org.uk> <161AAD4A-65AB-4254-A9C5-7C2142E066C1@gmail.com> <0E7EF00F-DAFF-4BAC-922D-030B3CD18FDA@softcon.com> <277E1C18-22AE-4230-98F6-31C57EBA4A3F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Colin. I just bookmarked this site. Should be useful. Cait On Mar 19, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Colin M wrote: > Hi Travis! > Well I think it is a good idea! > Here is a link to one that I found! > If you take a look I think you might give another version! > > [ or not] :] > Well here you go! > > http://www.danrodney.com/mac/ > > Colin Qapla! > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > > On 19 Mar 2011, at 04:31, Travis Siegel wrote: > >> Would there be any sort of a call for a comprehensive list of applications and their shortcut keys to be all in one place? I guess what I'm asking, is such a resource already available, or would it be worth my time (and yours) to start such a resource, then allow folks to add to the list as new applications and versions are released. >> If anyone thinks this would be a good idea, I can implement it relatively quickly, then we'd have a single location for all of those programs and their shortcut keys. It's likely someone else has already done this, and if so, that's fine. I'm not looking to reinvent the wheel. If there's enough interest though, I'll put something together for general use. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From moriond at mac.com Mon Mar 21 21:46:08 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:46:08 -1000 Subject: Memory and system resources with VoiceOver [was Re: preview pane in mail question] In-Reply-To: <9996D61C-2282-4016-A352-B04C9431FBDD@computing.dcu.ie> References: <6C941925-1687-416B-8363-D509AF7526B2@mac.com> <9996D61C-2282-4016-A352-B04C9431FBDD@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <6702B301-68E7-4157-8E48-E42FBA6E16B1@mac.com> Hi D?nal, On Mar 21, 2011, at 11:17, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Esther, > > I'm going to top post. I just wonder whether you might be on to something here. When lots of windows have been opened, I wonder if some child processes have been created and not properly stopped? It could be a memory leak issue as you suggest, but I just throw the other option into the mix as a thought. > > Cheers, > > D?nal First, apologies for mixing in some comments from related discussions on another list, but I was also thinking about Sarah's recent reports of Safari, busy, and wanted to review best practices. I've changed the subject hearder. I also hide my preview pane in mail, but as Anne stated, you should close messages windows when done. There's a very good site called MacAttorney that reviews general best practices for maintaining and troubleshooting your Mac: http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html Don't be put off by the fact that it also refers to older versions of Mac OS X -- this site has been around for a long time. HTH. Cheers, Esther > On 21 Mar 2011, at 21:13, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Cait, >> >> Sarah explained how to turn off the preview pane, but not why you might want to do it. >> As I write this, I wonder whether the people who are finding that VoiceOver disappears with mail (Mike Busboom's thread last week; Mark's report that this happens every time he uses mail, Eric's report that this seems related to memory leaks) aren't finding the problems aggravated by this setting. Launching multiple windows and closing them probably is less efficient on releasing memory if you keep your system up for long periods of time (e.g., weeks or months) without a reboot. I know that most laptop users tend to "sleep" their machines. Certainly, mailing list reading has exploded in recent months on this list and other related ones. Hmmm. This shouldn't be a large effect, but maybe small inefficiencies are being magnified here. Anyway, I'll spend more time thinking about this. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Mon Mar 21 21:54:06 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:54:06 +0000 Subject: Memory and system resources with VoiceOver [was Re: preview pane in mail question] In-Reply-To: <6702B301-68E7-4157-8E48-E42FBA6E16B1@mac.com> References: <6C941925-1687-416B-8363-D509AF7526B2@mac.com> <9996D61C-2282-4016-A352-B04C9431FBDD@computing.dcu.ie> <6702B301-68E7-4157-8E48-E42FBA6E16B1@mac.com> Message-ID: <6E5DEBB6-2A99-4673-BF98-F7712561B2C6@computing.dcu.ie> Hi Esther, I've used that site and you're right it's a cracker. Cheers D?nal On 21 Mar 2011, at 21:46, Esther wrote: > Hi D?nal, > > On Mar 21, 2011, at 11:17, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Esther, >> >> I'm going to top post. I just wonder whether you might be on to something here. When lots of windows have been opened, I wonder if some child processes have been created and not properly stopped? It could be a memory leak issue as you suggest, but I just throw the other option into the mix as a thought. >> >> Cheers, >> >> D?nal > > First, apologies for mixing in some comments from related discussions on another list, but I was also thinking about Sarah's recent reports of Safari, busy, and wanted to review best practices. I've changed the subject hearder. I also hide my preview pane in mail, but as Anne stated, you should close messages windows when done. There's a very good site called MacAttorney that reviews general best practices for maintaining and troubleshooting your Mac: > http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html > Don't be put off by the fact that it also refers to older versions of Mac OS X -- this site has been around for a long time. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > >> On 21 Mar 2011, at 21:13, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi Cait, >>> >>> Sarah explained how to turn off the preview pane, but not why you might want to do it. > >>> As I write this, I wonder whether the people who are finding that VoiceOver disappears with mail (Mike Busboom's thread last week; Mark's report that this happens every time he uses mail, Eric's report that this seems related to memory leaks) aren't finding the problems aggravated by this setting. Launching multiple windows and closing them probably is less efficient on releasing memory if you keep your system up for long periods of time (e.g., weeks or months) without a reboot. I know that most laptop users tend to "sleep" their machines. Certainly, mailing list reading has exploded in recent months on this list and other related ones. Hmmm. This shouldn't be a large effect, but maybe small inefficiencies are being magnified here. Anyway, I'll spend more time thinking about this. >>> >>> HTH. Cheers, >>> >>> Esther > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Mon Mar 21 21:57:39 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:57:39 +0000 Subject: upgrading a macbook pro revisited. Message-ID: <8A70854D-D75B-4FE2-931A-CA5307B1336E@computing.dcu.ie> Hi all, Just coming back to a thread from a few weeks ago. In that thread I mentioned I'd put an extra four gig of memory into my MBP. I've now completed the job by replacing the hard Drive with one of the Seegate Momentus Hybrid drives, and it has been a revelation. In essence, the hybrid drive comprises 32 gig of SSD drive and a 500 gig regular HD. So you can put things you use regularly on the SSD bit, and still have the storage for the other stuff. Personal preference I know, but I'm certainly noticing a speed up in performance. This may be of no interest to anyone but I'm just throwing it out there. hth D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From mcdiemert at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 22:11:24 2011 From: mcdiemert at gmail.com (Matt Diemert) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 18:11:24 -0400 Subject: dropbox In-Reply-To: <8A70854D-D75B-4FE2-931A-CA5307B1336E@computing.dcu.ie> References: <8A70854D-D75B-4FE2-931A-CA5307B1336E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <000001cbe814$eba23fe0$c2e6bfa0$@com> Has anyone had success with dropbox on the mac other than the web interface. I didn't get much joy when trying it earlier. Thanks. Matt Diemert. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of D?nal Fitzpatrick Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 5:58 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: upgrading a macbook pro revisited. Hi all, Just coming back to a thread from a few weeks ago. In that thread I mentioned I'd put an extra four gig of memory into my MBP. I've now completed the job by replacing the hard Drive with one of the Seegate Momentus Hybrid drives, and it has been a revelation. In essence, the hybrid drive comprises 32 gig of SSD drive and a 500 gig regular HD. So you can put things you use regularly on the SSD bit, and still have the storage for the other stuff. Personal preference I know, but I'm certainly noticing a speed up in performance. This may be of no interest to anyone but I'm just throwing it out there. hth D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 22:32:29 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:32:29 -0700 Subject: dropbox In-Reply-To: <000001cbe814$eba23fe0$c2e6bfa0$@com> References: <8A70854D-D75B-4FE2-931A-CA5307B1336E@computing.dcu.ie> <000001cbe814$eba23fe0$c2e6bfa0$@com> Message-ID: <9FDAE8FB-B403-417E-9585-C4394521753E@gmail.com> Yeah just run the app from the dmg and follow the install prompts. then just keep clicking next or skip tour and finish and you are good to go. On Mar 21, 2011, at 3:11 PM, Matt Diemert wrote: > Has anyone had success with dropbox on the mac other than the web interface. > > I didn't get much joy when trying it earlier. > Thanks. > Matt Diemert. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of D?nal Fitzpatrick > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 5:58 PM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: upgrading a macbook pro revisited. > > Hi all, > > Just coming back to a thread from a few weeks ago. In that thread I > mentioned I'd put an extra four gig of memory into my MBP. I've now > completed the job by replacing the hard Drive with one of the Seegate > Momentus Hybrid drives, and it has been a revelation. > > In essence, the hybrid drive comprises 32 gig of SSD drive and a 500 gig > regular HD. So you can put things you use regularly on the SSD bit, and > still have the storage for the other stuff. Personal preference I know, but > I'm certainly noticing a speed up in performance. > > This may be of no interest to anyone but I'm just throwing it out there. > > hth > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Mar 21 22:35:09 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 15:35:09 -0700 Subject: Memory and system resources with VoiceOver [was Re: preview pane in mail question] In-Reply-To: <6702B301-68E7-4157-8E48-E42FBA6E16B1@mac.com> References: <6C941925-1687-416B-8363-D509AF7526B2@mac.com> <9996D61C-2282-4016-A352-B04C9431FBDD@computing.dcu.ie> <6702B301-68E7-4157-8E48-E42FBA6E16B1@mac.com> Message-ID: <7C65FB3B-91BB-470C-B734-C2FD4E465FAC@gmail.com> Ah yeah I do close all of my windfows when reading mail. it keeps me more organised andi can mark what I've read and del what I don't right away at the touch of a key. As for safari I only have 1 window open but ah well. On Mar 21, 2011, at 2:46 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi D?nal, > > On Mar 21, 2011, at 11:17, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Esther, >> >> I'm going to top post. I just wonder whether you might be on to something here. When lots of windows have been opened, I wonder if some child processes have been created and not properly stopped? It could be a memory leak issue as you suggest, but I just throw the other option into the mix as a thought. >> >> Cheers, >> >> D?nal > > First, apologies for mixing in some comments from related discussions on another list, but I was also thinking about Sarah's recent reports of Safari, busy, and wanted to review best practices. I've changed the subject hearder. I also hide my preview pane in mail, but as Anne stated, you should close messages windows when done. There's a very good site called MacAttorney that reviews general best practices for maintaining and troubleshooting your Mac: > http://www.macattorney.com/ts.html > Don't be put off by the fact that it also refers to older versions of Mac OS X -- this site has been around for a long time. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > >> On 21 Mar 2011, at 21:13, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi Cait, >>> >>> Sarah explained how to turn off the preview pane, but not why you might want to do it. > >>> As I write this, I wonder whether the people who are finding that VoiceOver disappears with mail (Mike Busboom's thread last week; Mark's report that this happens every time he uses mail, Eric's report that this seems related to memory leaks) aren't finding the problems aggravated by this setting. Launching multiple windows and closing them probably is less efficient on releasing memory if you keep your system up for long periods of time (e.g., weeks or months) without a reboot. I know that most laptop users tend to "sleep" their machines. Certainly, mailing list reading has exploded in recent months on this list and other related ones. Hmmm. This shouldn't be a large effect, but maybe small inefficiencies are being magnified here. Anyway, I'll spend more time thinking about this. >>> >>> HTH. Cheers, >>> >>> Esther > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Mon Mar 21 22:48:00 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 12:48:00 -1000 Subject: short cut keys for mac, was In-Reply-To: References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> <38726A25-5FDF-4473-B10F-C5EA376BA213@anarchie.org.uk> <161AAD4A-65AB-4254-A9C5-7C2142E066C1@gmail.com> <0E7EF00F-DAFF-4BAC-922D-030B3CD18FDA@softcon.com> <277E1C18-22AE-4230-98F6-31C57EBA4A3F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Cait and Others, Here's a link to Apple's current Knowledge Base web page listing Mac OS X Keyboard Shortcuts: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1343 As Anne recommended, a good way to find the most frequently used shortcuts for applications is to look through the menu bar menus. The most commonly used commands will have keyboard shortcuts. Another site that I like for information about VoiceOver is Tim Kilburn's site: http://web.me.com/kilburns/voiceover You can try the link to shortcuts on that web page. The thing that I like is that Tim groups commands together for common functions, and also comments on what can be useful in different contexts. The problem with straight lists of commands is that not all commands are equally useful, and you need to get some feeling for the subset that you actually want to work with on a daily basis. One comment on those pages: there are some great summaries about the way that applications are laid out and tips and tricks for using them. However, Tim was away from this effort for about a year and a half before returning to updating those pages at the end of last year. In my spot checks he's done a great job with updating the descriptions for Safari and iTunes, etc. but there may still be places where older descriptions are in effect. And a few of the links for other helpful resources don't work (there used to be a VoiceOver compatibility list of software that Greg Kearney maintained a long time ago). Some of those entries were incorporated into Apple's list of VoiceOver compatible third-party software: http://www.apple.com/accessibility/voiceover/applications.html That list is also a couple of years old. HTH. Cheers, Esther From moriond at mac.com Mon Mar 21 23:15:49 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:15:49 -1000 Subject: dropbox In-Reply-To: <9FDAE8FB-B403-417E-9585-C4394521753E@gmail.com> References: <8A70854D-D75B-4FE2-931A-CA5307B1336E@computing.dcu.ie> <000001cbe814$eba23fe0$c2e6bfa0$@com> <9FDAE8FB-B403-417E-9585-C4394521753E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <702A2611-B2DC-40A1-B186-F96DDFB0ECCB@mac.com> Hi Matt, Rose Morales, who is on this list, and posted earlier about starting a list of useful Mac applications has the older Dropbox dmg (version 0.7.110) file on her web page: http://chicksdigmacs.net/UsefulApps/ This is the version of Dropbox that I've been using for some time. You still won't be able to navigate to the Dropbox icon on the status menu bar unless you use MouseKeys (for which Anne gave directions) or use your Trackpad with Trackpad Commander off and cursor tracking off to move to the status bar. (I think Sarah gave directions for this). This version shouldn't have the accessibility problems of the most recent release, where you need to run the app from the dmg. I should probably finish the draft post response I started on this subject after first reading Anne's reply to Gordon, but the problems were all solved (without required navigating to the Dropbox icon). The annoying thing about using Mouse Keys to move your VoiceOver cursor is that you have to press a button for each pixel shift. Since typical icons in the status menu bar are 30 pixels square each, that's a lot of key presses to just move to somewhere whose pixel location you can determine beforehand. Cheers, Esther P.S. Matt, you might want to start new threads with a new post. On Mar 21, 2011, at 12:32, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Yeah just run the app from the dmg and follow the install prompts. then just keep clicking next or skip tour and finish and you are good to go. > On Mar 21, 2011, at 3:11 PM, Matt Diemert wrote: > >> Has anyone had success with dropbox on the mac other than the web interface. >> >> I didn't get much joy when trying it earlier. >> Thanks. >> Matt Diemert. From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Mar 22 02:13:55 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:13:55 -0500 Subject: essential macbook software In-Reply-To: References: <000001cbe7ea$911a1400$b34e3c00$@plus.com> <7A1C04D7-B2CA-49A2-A5C1-53C8C8721618@softcon.com> Message-ID: Ahh, Sarah was right. I'll need to get in and fix that little problem. (Probably just a problem with case of file names) :) But, in the meantime, if anyone is interested, you can obtain the file at the following url: http://www.nfbcal.org/~tsiegel/textedit.zip Hope that helps. And, sorry for the trouble. From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 02:28:28 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 19:28:28 -0700 Subject: essential macbook software In-Reply-To: References: <000001cbe7ea$911a1400$b34e3c00$@plus.com> <7A1C04D7-B2CA-49A2-A5C1-53C8C8721618@softcon.com> Message-ID: No problems. dont worry about it. I've broken stuff on my site and no one told me about it for months. lol! Take care orf yourslef. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 21, 2011, at 7:13 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > Ahh, Sarah was right. I'll need to get in and fix that little problem. (Probably just a problem with case of file names) :) > But, in the meantime, if anyone is interested, you can obtain the file at the following url: > http://www.nfbcal.org/~tsiegel/textedit.zip > Hope that helps. > And, sorry for the trouble. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Mar 22 02:44:59 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:44:59 -0500 Subject: short cut keys for mac, was In-Reply-To: References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> <38726A25-5FDF-4473-B10F-C5EA376BA213@anarchie.org.uk> <161AAD4A-65AB-4254-A9C5-7C2142E066C1@gmail.com> <0E7EF00F-DAFF-4BAC-922D-030B3CD18FDA@softcon.com> <277E1C18-22AE-4230-98F6-31C57EBA4A3F@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm sorry to say that my list of vo compatible software is also out of date. I'm already working on a web-based method of adding/updating my list, and I'll let the list know when it's finished, so others can go add programs they've found accessible (or not) to the list. From a.beech at bigpond.net.au Tue Mar 22 06:53:00 2011 From: a.beech at bigpond.net.au (Adrian Beech) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:53:00 +1000 Subject: upgrading a macbook pro revisited. In-Reply-To: <8A70854D-D75B-4FE2-931A-CA5307B1336E@computing.dcu.ie> References: <8A70854D-D75B-4FE2-931A-CA5307B1336E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <069a01cbe85d$c8f2a9a0$5ad7fce0$@bigpond.net.au> G'day D?nal, Is the hard drive a standard Apple option? I'm looking at upgrading the boss sister's MBP with one of the new beasties and I'm hoping to get the best bang for the buck performance wise, etc. BTW, I'm wondering is the OS on the 32Gb side? Cheers. AB -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of D?nal Fitzpatrick Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2011 7:58 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: upgrading a macbook pro revisited. Hi all, Just coming back to a thread from a few weeks ago. In that thread I mentioned I'd put an extra four gig of memory into my MBP. I've now completed the job by replacing the hard Drive with one of the Seegate Momentus Hybrid drives, and it has been a revelation. In essence, the hybrid drive comprises 32 gig of SSD drive and a 500 gig regular HD. So you can put things you use regularly on the SSD bit, and still have the storage for the other stuff. Personal preference I know, but I'm certainly noticing a speed up in performance. This may be of no interest to anyone but I'm just throwing it out there. hth D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5973 (20110322) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Mar 22 09:26:57 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 09:26:57 -0000 Subject: upgrading a macbook pro revisited. In-Reply-To: <069a01cbe85d$c8f2a9a0$5ad7fce0$@bigpond.net.au> References: <8A70854D-D75B-4FE2-931A-CA5307B1336E@computing.dcu.ie> <069a01cbe85d$c8f2a9a0$5ad7fce0$@bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <001601cbe873$4d0ecdd0$e72c6970$@dcu.ie> Morning Adrian, I just bought the drive online. What some people do (though this isn't a preferred option for me) is actually remove the optical drive, put the new disk in and leave the old one in situ. I just did a time machine backup, swapped the old disk out and put the new one in. Yes I have the OS on the SSD bit. D?nal -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Adrian Beech Sent: 22 March 2011 06:53 To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' Subject: RE: upgrading a macbook pro revisited. G'day D?nal, Is the hard drive a standard Apple option? I'm looking at upgrading the boss sister's MBP with one of the new beasties and I'm hoping to get the best bang for the buck performance wise, etc. BTW, I'm wondering is the OS on the 32Gb side? Cheers. AB -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of D?nal Fitzpatrick Sent: Tuesday, 22 March 2011 7:58 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: upgrading a macbook pro revisited. Hi all, Just coming back to a thread from a few weeks ago. In that thread I mentioned I'd put an extra four gig of memory into my MBP. I've now completed the job by replacing the hard Drive with one of the Seegate Momentus Hybrid drives, and it has been a revelation. In essence, the hybrid drive comprises 32 gig of SSD drive and a 500 gig regular HD. So you can put things you use regularly on the SSD bit, and still have the storage for the other stuff. Personal preference I know, but I'm certainly noticing a speed up in performance. This may be of no interest to anyone but I'm just throwing it out there. hth D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! 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Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk Tue Mar 22 11:29:24 2011 From: sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk (Sunil Peck) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:29:24 +0000 Subject: Is News Rack rss reader accessible on the Mac Message-ID: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020844@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Hi, I downloaded the latest update to the operating system last night and also bought News Rack from the app store. When I open it and do VO+space VoiceOver says 'News Rack has no windows'. I've tried accessing the menu bar with VO+m but VoiceOver doesn't say anything. Can anyone suggest any other keyboard commands I could try to determine whether or not News Rack is accessible with VoiceOver? It's looking to me like it isn't which is a shame because I use the app all the time on my iPhone. 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Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the views of Scope. From sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk Tue Mar 22 12:05:45 2011 From: sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk (Sunil Peck) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:05:45 +0000 Subject: Is News Rack rss reader accessible on the Mac In-Reply-To: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020844@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020844@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020874@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Apologies, my last message had a mistake in it. I should have said that once I've opened News Rack VO announces 'News Rack has no windows' when I do VO+arrow keys, not the spacebar. Cheers Sunil -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sunil Peck Sent: 22 March 2011 11:29 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Is News Rack rss reader accessible on the Mac Hi, I downloaded the latest update to the operating system last night and also bought News Rack from the app store. When I open it and do VO+space VoiceOver says 'News Rack has no windows'. I've tried accessing the menu bar with VO+m but VoiceOver doesn't say anything. Can anyone suggest any other keyboard commands I could try to determine whether or not News Rack is accessible with VoiceOver? It's looking to me like it isn't which is a shame because I use the app all the time on my iPhone. Thanks for any help, Sunil ________________________________ Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by guarantee (number 520866). Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. 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From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 12:25:41 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:25:41 +0100 Subject: Is News Rack rss reader accessible on the Mac In-Reply-To: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020874@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020844@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020874@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: <91968F66-172C-4ED1-BBFE-5E66DA671ED7@gmail.com> Hello Sunil, Last time I used that application, it acted the same way that it seems to do now. What I personally do is to use NetNewsWire which synchronizes with Google Reader, then use News Rack on the iPhone, enabling me to synchronize across Mac and iPhone. As soon as I update, either application uses Google Reader as the subscription service so that my news subscriptions continuously stay synchronized. Every time I subscribe to any feed, either application sends that information to Google Reader through my Gmail account. Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Mar 22, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Sunil Peck wrote: > Apologies, my last message had a mistake in it. I should have said that once I've opened News Rack VO announces 'News Rack has no windows' when I do VO+arrow keys, not the spacebar. > > Cheers > Sunil > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sunil Peck > Sent: 22 March 2011 11:29 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Is News Rack rss reader accessible on the Mac > > Hi, > > I downloaded the latest update to the operating system last night and also bought News Rack from the app store. When I open it and do VO+space VoiceOver says 'News Rack has no windows'. > > I've tried accessing the menu bar with VO+m but VoiceOver doesn't say anything. > > Can anyone suggest any other keyboard commands I could try to determine whether or not News Rack is accessible with VoiceOver? It's looking to me like it isn't which is a shame because I use the app all the time on my iPhone. > > Thanks for any help, > > Sunil > > > > > ________________________________ > Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by guarantee (number 520866). > Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. > Our VAT number is 805156939. > > > Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk > > This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been addressed by the sender. This message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution, or printing of this message or accompanying files, or unauthorised use of any information contained therein, by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited and may be unlawful. > > Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the views of Scope. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by > guarantee (number 520866). > Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. > Our VAT number is 805156939. > > > Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk > > This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential > and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been > addressed by the sender. This message may contain confidential and/or > privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this > message, or if you believe it was transmitted to you in error, you are > required to delete the message and any copies of it, and to notify the > sender immediately. Any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution, > or printing of this message or accompanying files, or unauthorised use > of any information contained therein, by anyone other than the > intended recipient(s) is prohibited and may be unlawful. > > Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with > it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the > views of Scope. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk Tue Mar 22 12:31:40 2011 From: sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk (Sunil Peck) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:31:40 +0000 Subject: Is News Rack rss reader accessible on the Mac In-Reply-To: <91968F66-172C-4ED1-BBFE-5E66DA671ED7@gmail.com> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020844@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020874@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <91968F66-172C-4ED1-BBFE-5E66DA671ED7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020890@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Thanks Nic, I'll give NetNewsWire a shot. I'll see if I can get my money back from Apple for News Rack. Thanks again, Sunil -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen Sent: 22 March 2011 12:26 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Is News Rack rss reader accessible on the Mac Hello Sunil, Last time I used that application, it acted the same way that it seems to do now. What I personally do is to use NetNewsWire which synchronizes with Google Reader, then use News Rack on the iPhone, enabling me to synchronize across Mac and iPhone. As soon as I update, either application uses Google Reader as the subscription service so that my news subscriptions continuously stay synchronized. Every time I subscribe to any feed, either application sends that information to Google Reader through my Gmail account. Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Mar 22, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Sunil Peck wrote: > Apologies, my last message had a mistake in it. I should have said that once I've opened News Rack VO announces 'News Rack has no windows' when I do VO+arrow keys, not the spacebar. > > Cheers > Sunil > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sunil Peck > Sent: 22 March 2011 11:29 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Is News Rack rss reader accessible on the Mac > > Hi, > > I downloaded the latest update to the operating system last night and also bought News Rack from the app store. When I open it and do VO+space VoiceOver says 'News Rack has no windows'. > > I've tried accessing the menu bar with VO+m but VoiceOver doesn't say anything. > > Can anyone suggest any other keyboard commands I could try to determine whether or not News Rack is accessible with VoiceOver? It's looking to me like it isn't which is a shame because I use the app all the time on my iPhone. > > Thanks for any help, > > Sunil > > > > > ________________________________ > Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by guarantee (number 520866). > Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. > Our VAT number is 805156939. > > > Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk > > This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been addressed by the sender. This message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 15:29:27 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:29:27 +0100 Subject: Is News Rack rss reader accessible on the Mac In-Reply-To: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020890@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020844@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020874@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <91968F66-172C-4ED1-BBFE-5E66DA671ED7@gmail.com> <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020890@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: hello Sunil, A word of warning, first of all. Before you go and get this application, do not get this from the App Store. While the version off of NewsGator's site is perfectly accessible, their similar app in the App Store called "NetNewsWire Lite" is not. While it is definitely much smaller in size, it seems they have stripped a lot of the accessibility as well. The version from the site has ads if you do not purchase it, but these are not even in the way at all. You can simply leave this alone and you will still retain full functionality of the product. Here is the direct download link: http://ranchero.com/downloads/NetNewsWire.zip Also, keep in mind that this is my prefered way of working, and not necessarily the only way. :) Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Mar 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Sunil Peck wrote: > Thanks Nic, I'll give NetNewsWire a shot. > > I'll see if I can get my money back from Apple for News Rack. > > Thanks again, > Sunil > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen > Sent: 22 March 2011 12:26 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Is News Rack rss reader accessible on the Mac > > Hello Sunil, > > Last time I used that application, it acted the same way that it seems to do now. What I personally do is to use NetNewsWire which synchronizes with Google Reader, then use News Rack on the iPhone, enabling me to synchronize across Mac and iPhone. As soon as I update, either application uses Google Reader as the subscription service so that my news subscriptions continuously stay synchronized. > > Every time I subscribe to any feed, either application sends that information to Google Reader through my Gmail account. > > Regards, > Nic > GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com > Facebook > Twitter > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk > Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 > AIM: cincinster > > On Mar 22, 2011, at 1:05 PM, Sunil Peck wrote: > >> Apologies, my last message had a mistake in it. I should have said that once I've opened News Rack VO announces 'News Rack has no windows' when I do VO+arrow keys, not the spacebar. >> >> Cheers >> Sunil >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sunil Peck >> Sent: 22 March 2011 11:29 >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Is News Rack rss reader accessible on the Mac >> >> Hi, >> >> I downloaded the latest update to the operating system last night and also bought News Rack from the app store. When I open it and do VO+space VoiceOver says 'News Rack has no windows'. >> >> I've tried accessing the menu bar with VO+m but VoiceOver doesn't say anything. >> >> Can anyone suggest any other keyboard commands I could try to determine whether or not News Rack is accessible with VoiceOver? 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Any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution, > or printing of this message or accompanying files, or unauthorised use > of any information contained therein, by anyone other than the > intended recipient(s) is prohibited and may be unlawful. > > Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with > it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the > views of Scope. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lavendar at bell.net Tue Mar 22 18:46:55 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:46:55 -0400 Subject: short cut keys for mac, was In-Reply-To: <72B59C69-205C-4D51-BC14-7B4556C44B52@softcon.com> References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> <38726A25-5FDF-4473-B10F-C5EA376BA213@anarchie.org.uk> <161AAD4A-65AB-4254-A9C5-7C2142E066C1@gmail.com> <0E7EF00F-DAFF-4BAC-922D-030B3CD18FDA@softcon.com> <277E1C18-22AE-4230-98F6-31C57EBA4A3F@gmail.com> <72B59C69-205C-4D51-BC14-7B4556C44B52@softcon.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Travis. I did book mark this site, but Mark went here and he found it extremely confusing. I poked around a little, wasn't that confused, but haven't had the time to really soak anything in yet there. Something more user friendly would be most appreciated, though-it looked horrible! Caitlyn On Mar 19, 2011, at 11:42 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: > > On Mar 19, 2011, at 6:57 AM, Colin M wrote: > >> >> http://www.danrodney.com/mac > / > > Well, other than his calling the command a control equivalent, and the option key the alt equivalent, and no mention of the control key, I have to wonder why this list has so much ava script built in to it. Really, it's just a list, there's no need for javascript on the page. > Yes, I'll build something else. > You'll be able to choose by program and version, system keys or vo keys, and it will only show the ones you select. > Of course, if you really do want the entire list, you can have that too, but .... > > Give me a few days to work on the interface, and I'll drop the url here for folks to add their favorite programs. I'll of course check all submissions, to ensure nobody is just putting in junk to confuse folks, but I expect there will be little of that. > Hth. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From moriond at mac.com Tue Mar 22 18:55:32 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 08:55:32 -1000 Subject: Instapaper again In-Reply-To: <6319896E-D6A9-40BE-8CEF-2A860D265AE1@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> References: <6319896E-D6A9-40BE-8CEF-2A860D265AE1@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Hello Ian, On Mar 18, 2011, at 00:47, Ian Harrison wrote: > Can anyone tell me briefly what the above can do and how accessible the app is? Instapaper is a web service that lets you save and mark articles for later reading with a special web bookmarklet. It existed as a service for people browsing articles on their computers, but really took off as an iPhone app to let you time shift your reading, and it's very accessible. The idea grew out of the developer's personal experience of often coming across interesting articles on web sites at moments where he didn't have sufficient time to read through these articles in a leisurely manner. He also wanted to read the content free of distracting page layouts, extraneous advertisements, pop ups and other such annoyances. So instead of setting several bookmarks that you don't get back to, when you come to an article that you want to read, you use an Instapaper "Read Later" bookmarklet. This copies the URL information for the article you want to read to an Instapaper account that you have set up. You can visit this account through the web interface or, for iPhone, iPad, and iPod Touch users, through the dedicated iPhone app and read through these articles, which you can also organize into folders. An added big bonus is that these articles are stripped of extraneous web page content and links that are unrelated to the article, although you have an option to revisit the original web page. There are both a free and a paid iPhone app ($4.99) that supports more features (like folders, dictionary lookups, larger number of articles, etc.) It is all very accessible. This all works through the Instapaper web account you set up when you start, but I usually read articles on my iDevice instead of through the web interface. HTH. Cheers, Esther From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 18:59:24 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:59:24 +0000 Subject: Instapaper again In-Reply-To: References: <6319896E-D6A9-40BE-8CEF-2A860D265AE1@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <83215575-8771-438A-9C49-8A68BF3C4209@gmail.com> so ian if it was you you could use this for TNAUK maybe On 22 Mar 2011, at 18:55, Esther wrote: > Hello Ian, > > On Mar 18, 2011, at 00:47, Ian Harrison wrote: >> Can anyone tell me briefly what the above can do and how accessible the app is? > > Instapaper is a web service that lets you save and mark articles for later reading with a special web bookmarklet. It existed as a service for people browsing articles on their computers, but really took off as an iPhone app to let you time shift your reading, and it's very accessible. The idea grew out of the developer's personal experience of often coming across interesting articles on web sites at moments where he didn't have sufficient time to read through these articles in a leisurely manner. He also wanted to read the content free of distracting page layouts, extraneous advertisements, pop ups and other such annoyances. So instead of setting several bookmarks that you don't get back to, when you come to an article that you want to read, you use an Instapaper "Read Later" bookmarklet. This copies the URL information for the article you want to read to an Instapaper account that you have set up. You can visit this account through the web interface or, for iPhone, iPad > , and iPod Touch users, through the dedicated iPhone app and read through these articles, which you can also organize into folders. An added big bonus is that these articles are stripped of extraneous web page content and links that are unrelated to the article, although you have an option to revisit the original web page. There are both a free and a paid iPhone app ($4.99) that supports more features (like folders, dictionary lookups, larger number of articles, etc.) It is all very accessible. This all works through the Instapaper web account you set up when you start, but I usually read articles on my iDevice instead of through the web interface. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Mar 22 19:04:18 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:04:18 +0000 Subject: Finally Found! In-Reply-To: <81C1E0D8-C556-464B-BFC0-45820ED7E3CC@gmail.com> References: <24C74A98-9C4B-41E4-A1C4-3B86005F216E@mac-access.net> <2F6002E8-AF7E-4BE5-AB30-1236FB1336FF@gmail.com> <00AF9A8D-151D-4320-9CF6-3857FF2FFE8A@mac-access.net> <81C1E0D8-C556-464B-BFC0-45820ED7E3CC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Sarah On 20 Mar 2011, at 16:09, Sarah Alawami wrote: ? Thought I saw a option to do that under prefs I will have to look again. No, those are the "__." OSX folders that contain the *.bin and *.hex index files. The .DS_Store removal has been pointed out to the author by Gordon and will be in the next update. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Mar 22 19:10:37 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:10:37 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website Message-ID: Hello everybody Would somebody please verify that Safari 5.04 consistently crashes on the following website: We can replicate this crash with and without VoiceOver. We just need verification and data will be sent to Apple. Lynne From anne at anarchie.org.uk Tue Mar 22 19:45:36 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:45:36 +0100 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82FED98E-7A94-4624-94D3-C2B068CBDA3C@anarchie.org.uk> Hello Lynne, I've visited the site and clicked on one of the links and it all seems to be working fine for me. I use Groups mode and navigate a lot by headings. I'm wondering whether the computer being used makes a difference. This is a 2007 white MacBook with 2 gb of RAM. It seems to be one of the most stable machines I've ever known. Cheers, Anne On 22 Mar 2011, at 20:10, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Would somebody please verify that Safari 5.04 consistently crashes on the following website: > > > We can replicate this crash with and without VoiceOver. We just need verification and data will be sent to Apple. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From djden at thejazzden.org.uk Tue Mar 22 19:53:46 2011 From: djden at thejazzden.org.uk (Dennis Freedman) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:53:46 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <772543F4-A00E-459B-A611-30F7EEB9A464@thejazzden.org.uk> Yes, it crashes immediately for me. If I turn VO off and then on again after 30 seconds, it seems to be up for a few seconds then crashes again. I remember reading somewhere that this may be something to do with the Flash content, but I guess you are much more experienced in dealing with this sort of thing than I am. Best, Dennis. On 22 Mar 2011, at 19:10, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Would somebody please verify that Safari 5.04 consistently crashes on the following website: > > > We can replicate this crash with and without VoiceOver. We just need verification and data will be sent to Apple. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Mar 22 19:53:18 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:53:18 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82C892CE-B437-4EA4-AC2C-B548EA577E3E@computing.dcu.ie> Hi Lynne, I've tested this: 1. on a 13" MBP with and without Voiceover; 2. On a 21.5" iMac with and without voiceover. In all four instances Safari crashed. Cheers. D?nal On 22 Mar 2011, at 19:10, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Would somebody please verify that Safari 5.04 consistently crashes on the following website: > > > We can replicate this crash with and without VoiceOver. We just need verification and data will be sent to Apple. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk Tue Mar 22 20:08:29 2011 From: sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk (Sunil Peck) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:08:29 +0000 Subject: VO-friendly way to install Flash Message-ID: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217991@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Hi, I'm keen to install Flash so I can stream content from the BBC iPlayer. But I only get part way through the installation process and can't carry on which, I think, is because there's a button I'm not picking up with VO+right arrow. I get to a point where 'image' is announced but my VO+space does nothing. Is there a command someone could tell me to make it work? Or is the only way to install Falsh with some sighted help. Thanks, Sunil Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by guarantee (number 520866). Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. Our VAT number is 805156939. Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been addressed by the sender. This message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if you believe it was transmitted to you in error, you are required to delete the message and any copies of it, and to notify the sender immediately. Any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution, or printing of this message or accompanying files, or unauthorised use of any information contained therein, by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the views of Scope. From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Tue Mar 22 20:13:11 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:13:11 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: <82C892CE-B437-4EA4-AC2C-B548EA577E3E@computing.dcu.ie> References: <82C892CE-B437-4EA4-AC2C-B548EA577E3E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <6D0F4173-7402-4999-AD80-6998E7D88264@hopewell.org.uk> Hello Lynne, The site works OK for me with Safari set to DOM mode and cursor tracking turned off. If I turn cursor tracking on then the site immediately crashes. This is the same behaviour as for www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer. Cursor tracking is often badd news for Safari and it would be neat if there was a way to automatically turn it off when Safari starts and automatically turn it back on when exiting Safari. I usually turn it off for Safari but then forget to turn it back on and wonder why other apps do not work as expected! Paul Hopewell > i Lynne, > > I've tested this: > > 1. on a 13" MBP with and without Voiceover; > 2. On a 21.5" iMac with and without voiceover. > > In all four instances Safari crashed. > > Cheers. > > > D?nal > On 22 Mar 2011, at 19:10, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello everybody >> >> Would somebody please verify that Safari 5.04 consistently crashes on the following website: >> >> >> We can replicate this crash with and without VoiceOver. We just need verification and data will be sent to Apple. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk Tue Mar 22 20:13:29 2011 From: sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk (Sunil Peck) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:13:29 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217992@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Hi, I'm guessing if you don't have Flash installed, it might work fine if you do install it. Sunil ________________________________________ From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith [lynne at mac-access.net] Sent: 22 March 2011 19:10 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website Hello everybody Would somebody please verify that Safari 5.04 consistently crashes on the following website: We can replicate this crash with and without VoiceOver. We just need verification and data will be sent to Apple. Lynne _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by guarantee (number 520866). Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. Our VAT number is 805156939. Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been addressed by the sender. This message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if you believe it was transmitted to you in error, you are required to delete the message and any copies of it, and to notify the sender immediately. Any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution, or printing of this message or accompanying files, or unauthorised use of any information contained therein, by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the views of Scope. From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Tue Mar 22 20:23:13 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:23:13 +0000 Subject: VO-friendly way to install Flash In-Reply-To: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217991@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217991@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: <8B14C40E-40DD-4080-9DBD-445B9C169DC4@hopewell.org.uk> Hi Sunil, I too am stuck on exactly this problem when trying to install flash on a new MAC. I had somehow installed it on the old MAC, but cannot remember how. So please let us all know if you find a way to install flash! The bad news is that when you have installed Flash you still won't be able to stream TV programs. However all is not lost. I have written some Voxkey shortcuts which fix this problem. Please get back to me if you need to know more. Paul Hopewell On 22 Mar 2011, at 20:08, Sunil Peck wrote: > Hi, > > I'm keen to install Flash so I can stream content from the BBC iPlayer. > > But I only get part way through the installation process and can't carry on which, I think, is because there's a button I'm not picking up with VO+right arrow. > > I get to a point where 'image' is announced but my VO+space does nothing. Is there a command someone could tell me to make it work? Or is the only way to install Falsh with some sighted help. > > Thanks, > Sunil > > Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by > guarantee (number 520866). > Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. > Our VAT number is 805156939. > > > Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk > > This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential > and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been > addressed by the sender. This message may contain confidential and/or > privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this > message, or if you believe it was transmitted to you in error, you are > required to delete the message and any copies of it, and to notify the > sender immediately. Any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution, > or printing of this message or accompanying files, or unauthorised use > of any information contained therein, by anyone other than the > intended recipient(s) is prohibited and may be unlawful. > > Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with > it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the > views of Scope. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 20:29:20 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:29:20 +0100 Subject: VO-friendly way to install Flash In-Reply-To: <8B14C40E-40DD-4080-9DBD-445B9C169DC4@hopewell.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217991@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <8B14C40E-40DD-4080-9DBD-445B9C169DC4@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <17FCB928-AB14-4761-9CC5-917633C84922@gmail.com> Hello folks, Firstly, to ensure you do not miss any controls when doing this, go into System Preferences>Keyboard>Keyboard Shortcuts tab and select the radio button that says All Controls underneath the "Full Keyboard Access" area. You can also use Control-F7 if you have "Use all F1, f2, etc as standard function keys" checked under the Keyboard tab. This reverses it so that it uses hardware keys by default, without requiring FN to be held down. Now, you can use tab in the Flash installer to tab between all controls. I used this method to install Flash, even when updating or installing it from scratch. I hope this helps. Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Mar 22, 2011, at 9:23 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hi Sunil, > I too am stuck on exactly this problem when trying to install flash on a new MAC. I had somehow installed it on the old MAC, but cannot remember how. So please let us all know if you find a way to install flash! > > The bad news is that when you have installed Flash you still won't be able to stream TV programs. However all is not lost. I have written some Voxkey shortcuts which fix this problem. Please get back to me if you need to know more. > > Paul Hopewell > On 22 Mar 2011, at 20:08, Sunil Peck wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm keen to install Flash so I can stream content from the BBC iPlayer. >> >> But I only get part way through the installation process and can't carry on which, I think, is because there's a button I'm not picking up with VO+right arrow. >> >> I get to a point where 'image' is announced but my VO+space does nothing. Is there a command someone could tell me to make it work? Or is the only way to install Falsh with some sighted help. >> >> Thanks, >> Sunil >> >> Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by >> guarantee (number 520866). >> Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. >> Our VAT number is 805156939. >> >> >> Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk >> >> This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential >> and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been >> addressed by the sender. This message may contain confidential and/or >> privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this >> message, or if you believe it was transmitted to you in error, you are >> required to delete the message and any copies of it, and to notify the >> sender immediately. Any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution, >> or printing of this message or accompanying files, or unauthorised use >> of any information contained therein, by anyone other than the >> intended recipient(s) is prohibited and may be unlawful. >> >> Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with >> it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the >> views of Scope. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Tue Mar 22 20:34:48 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:34:48 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217992@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217992@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: Hi Lynne! I've had a look with my Imac with cursor tracking on, quick nav and in dom mode and had no trouble! Well I hope that's of some use! Colin I'm far too bad for Heaven! The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! On 22 Mar 2011, at 20:13, Sunil Peck wrote: > Hi, > > I'm guessing if you don't have Flash installed, it might work fine if you do install it. > > Sunil > > > ________________________________________ > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith [lynne at mac-access.net] > Sent: 22 March 2011 19:10 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website > > Hello everybody > > Would somebody please verify that Safari 5.04 consistently crashes on the following website: > > > We can replicate this crash with and without VoiceOver. We just need verification and data will be sent to Apple. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by > guarantee (number 520866). > Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. > Our VAT number is 805156939. > > > Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk > > This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential > and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been > addressed by the sender. This message may contain confidential and/or > privileged material. 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Any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution, > or printing of this message or accompanying files, or unauthorised use > of any information contained therein, by anyone other than the > intended recipient(s) is prohibited and may be unlawful. > > Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with > it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the > views of Scope. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk Tue Mar 22 20:35:24 2011 From: sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk (Sunil Peck) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:35:24 +0000 Subject: VO-friendly way to install Flash In-Reply-To: <8B14C40E-40DD-4080-9DBD-445B9C169DC4@hopewell.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217991@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk>, <8B14C40E-40DD-4080-9DBD-445B9C169DC4@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217993@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Hi Paul, I'd definitely like to know more about the Voxkey shortcuts you have written. One of the things I'll be using the Mac to do a lot is watching iPlayer content. Do your shortcuts make it possible to watch audio described content as well? Sunil ________________________________________ From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Paul Hopewell [hopewell at hopewell.org.uk] Sent: 22 March 2011 20:23 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: VO-friendly way to install Flash Hi Sunil, I too am stuck on exactly this problem when trying to install flash on a new MAC. I had somehow installed it on the old MAC, but cannot remember how. So please let us all know if you find a way to install flash! The bad news is that when you have installed Flash you still won't be able to stream TV programs. However all is not lost. I have written some Voxkey shortcuts which fix this problem. Please get back to me if you need to know more. Paul Hopewell On 22 Mar 2011, at 20:08, Sunil Peck wrote: > Hi, > > I'm keen to install Flash so I can stream content from the BBC iPlayer. > > But I only get part way through the installation process and can't carry on which, I think, is because there's a button I'm not picking up with VO+right arrow. > > I get to a point where 'image' is announced but my VO+space does nothing. Is there a command someone could tell me to make it work? Or is the only way to install Falsh with some sighted help. > > Thanks, > Sunil > > Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by > guarantee (number 520866). > Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. > Our VAT number is 805156939. > > > Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk > > This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential > and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been > addressed by the sender. 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Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by guarantee (number 520866). Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. Our VAT number is 805156939. Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been addressed by the sender. This message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if you believe it was transmitted to you in error, you are required to delete the message and any copies of it, and to notify the sender immediately. Any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution, or printing of this message or accompanying files, or unauthorised use of any information contained therein, by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited and may be unlawful. Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the views of Scope. From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Mar 22 20:54:49 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:54:49 +0000 Subject: os x v. 10.6.7 released. Message-ID: Sorry if I'm behind the times here, but software update just gave me this update, so said I'd pass on its availability. D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Mar 22 21:14:21 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:14:21 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: <82FED98E-7A94-4624-94D3-C2B068CBDA3C@anarchie.org.uk> References: <82FED98E-7A94-4624-94D3-C2B068CBDA3C@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <27CD6F05-AB06-4E4F-A4E1-F77295F11032@mac-access.net> Hello Anne On 22 Mar 2011, at 19:45, Anne Robertson wrote: ? I've visited the site and clicked on one of the links and it all seems to be working fine for me. I use Groups mode and navigate a lot by headings. This consistently happens here on our 2 MBP machines, (2009 13-inch, late 2010 17-inch) and 4 Mac Minis, ranging from PowerPC 2005 model through late 2010 models. We tried emptying the caches and logs, deleting cookies, all the usual stuff. Most odd indeed if you are not able to reproduce the problem. ? I'm wondering whether the computer being used makes a difference. This is a 2007 white MacBook with 2 gb of RAM. It seems to be one of the most stable machines I've ever known. Well; I'm no texpert; but I can't really see why that should be a factor. Our MBP's are running 8GB of RAM, and the 17-inch has a 250GB SDD. Lynne Cheers, Anne On 22 Mar 2011, at 20:10, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Would somebody please verify that Safari 5.04 consistently crashes on the following website: > > > We can replicate this crash with and without VoiceOver. We just need verification and data will be sent to Apple. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Mar 22 21:15:32 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:15:32 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: <772543F4-A00E-459B-A611-30F7EEB9A464@thejazzden.org.uk> References: <772543F4-A00E-459B-A611-30F7EEB9A464@thejazzden.org.uk> Message-ID: <849DF84D-89AC-4E01-8DED-745730B78881@mac-access.net> Hello Dennis Gordon has just asked whether you could temporarily turn off Javascripting in the prefs. Lynne On 22 Mar 2011, at 19:53, Dennis Freedman wrote: Yes, it crashes immediately for me. If I turn VO off and then on again after 30 seconds, it seems to be up for a few seconds then crashes again. I remember reading somewhere that this may be something to do with the Flash content, but I guess you are much more experienced in dealing with this sort of thing than I am. Best, Dennis. On 22 Mar 2011, at 19:10, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Would somebody please verify that Safari 5.04 consistently crashes on the following website: > > > We can replicate this crash with and without VoiceOver. We just need verification and data will be sent to Apple. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 21:18:12 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:18:12 -0700 Subject: VO-friendly way to install Flash In-Reply-To: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217991@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217991@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: Hello. try viewing the contents of the app in the dmg by right clicking and clicking show package contents. then go to sources and I think it's install.pkg. then run that and you should be fine. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 22, 2011, at 1:08 PM, Sunil Peck wrote: > Hi, > > I'm keen to install Flash so I can stream content from the BBC iPlayer. > > But I only get part way through the installation process and can't carry on which, I think, is because there's a button I'm not picking up with VO+right arrow. > > I get to a point where 'image' is announced but my VO+space does nothing. Is there a command someone could tell me to make it work? Or is the only way to install Falsh with some sighted help. > > Thanks, > Sunil > > Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by > guarantee (number 520866). > Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. > Our VAT number is 805156939. > > > Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk > > This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential > and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been > addressed by the sender. This message may contain confidential and/or > privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this > message, or if you believe it was transmitted to you in error, you are > required to delete the message and any copies of it, and to notify the > sender immediately. Any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution, > or printing of this message or accompanying files, or unauthorised use > of any information contained therein, by anyone other than the > intended recipient(s) is prohibited and may be unlawful. > > Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with > it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the > views of Scope. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Mar 22 21:18:51 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:18:51 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: <82C892CE-B437-4EA4-AC2C-B548EA577E3E@computing.dcu.ie> References: <82C892CE-B437-4EA4-AC2C-B548EA577E3E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Hello again D?nal On 22 Mar 2011, at 19:53, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: ? I've tested this: Thank you for the report. Gordon has now bugged this with Apple. He's a registered developer so he's sent it to the appropriate place. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 22 21:19:09 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:19:09 -0700 Subject: Finally Found! In-Reply-To: References: <24C74A98-9C4B-41E4-A1C4-3B86005F216E@mac-access.net> <2F6002E8-AF7E-4BE5-AB30-1236FB1336FF@gmail.com> <00AF9A8D-151D-4320-9CF6-3857FF2FFE8A@mac-access.net> <81C1E0D8-C556-464B-BFC0-45820ED7E3CC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <71484A01-346F-4362-BC5F-80572C15295B@gmail.com> Ah cool! I love that program very much. and the author os wonderful to work with. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 22, 2011, at 12:04 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > On 20 Mar 2011, at 16:09, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > ? Thought I saw a option to do that under prefs I will have to look again. > No, those are the "__." OSX folders that contain the *.bin and *.hex index files. > > The .DS_Store removal has been pointed out to the author by Gordon and will be in the next update. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Mar 22 21:20:07 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:20:07 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: <6D0F4173-7402-4999-AD80-6998E7D88264@hopewell.org.uk> References: <82C892CE-B437-4EA4-AC2C-B548EA577E3E@computing.dcu.ie> <6D0F4173-7402-4999-AD80-6998E7D88264@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: Hello Paul Thank you, this is helpful. Lynne From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Mar 22 21:23:01 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:23:01 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: References: <82C892CE-B437-4EA4-AC2C-B548EA577E3E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Hi Lynne: On 22 Mar 2011, at 21:18, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Gordon has now bugged this with Apple. He's a registered developer so he's sent it to the appropriate place. > Yep I've done the same. I'm also a registered developer so hopefully two bug reports might make them look. Cheers, D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From anne at anarchie.org.uk Tue Mar 22 21:33:19 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:33:19 +0100 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: <27CD6F05-AB06-4E4F-A4E1-F77295F11032@mac-access.net> References: <82FED98E-7A94-4624-94D3-C2B068CBDA3C@anarchie.org.uk> <27CD6F05-AB06-4E4F-A4E1-F77295F11032@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Lynne, Could it be that it works for me because I have ClicktoFlash installed and didn't enable flash for this site? Cheers, Anne On 22 Mar 2011, at 22:14, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Anne > > On 22 Mar 2011, at 19:45, Anne Robertson wrote: > > ? I've visited the site and clicked on one of the links and it all seems to be working fine for me. I use Groups mode and navigate a lot by headings. > > This consistently happens here on our 2 MBP machines, (2009 13-inch, late 2010 17-inch) and 4 Mac Minis, ranging from PowerPC 2005 model through late 2010 models. We tried emptying the caches and logs, deleting cookies, all the usual stuff. Most odd indeed if you are not able to reproduce the problem. > > ? I'm wondering whether the computer being used makes a difference. This is a 2007 white MacBook with 2 gb of RAM. It seems to be one of the most stable machines I've ever known. > > Well; I'm no texpert; but I can't really see why that should be a factor. Our MBP's are running 8GB of RAM, and the 17-inch has a 250GB SDD. > > Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Mar 22 21:33:59 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:33:59 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217992@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217992@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: Hello Sunil On 22 Mar 2011, at 20:13, Sunil Peck wrote: I'm guessing if you don't have Flash installed, it might work fine if you do install it. You guess wrong I'm afraid. :) We do have Flash installed. This used to work fine with the last but one version of Safari. Our logs are apparently showing it's a Java related bug in Safari. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Mar 22 21:35:27 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:35:27 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217992@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: <693F3F42-FD26-42A5-A06A-6432AF1A729A@mac-access.net> Hello Colin On 22 Mar 2011, at 20:34, Colin M wrote: ? I've had a look with my Imac with cursor tracking on, quick nav and in dom mode and had no trouble! Well I hope that's of some use! NMay I ask which version of Safari you're using? Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Mar 22 21:38:56 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:38:56 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: References: <82C892CE-B437-4EA4-AC2C-B548EA577E3E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <3421221E-DC99-4AD3-AC94-856C8C5F9BB4@mac-access.net> Hi Donal On 22 Mar 2011, at 21:23, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: On 22 Mar 2011, at 21:18, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: ? Yep I've done the same. I'm also a registered developer so hopefully two bug reports might make them look. Excellent! The more the merrier. it can only help the masses if people like you two do this sort of thing. Thank you very much. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Mar 22 21:40:16 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:40:16 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: References: <82FED98E-7A94-4624-94D3-C2B068CBDA3C@anarchie.org.uk> <27CD6F05-AB06-4E4F-A4E1-F77295F11032@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Anne On 22 Mar 2011, at 21:33, Anne Robertson wrote: ? Could it be that it works for me because I have ClicktoFlash installed and didn't enable flash for this site? I honestly don't know Anne. I'll get him to try with our other instance of OSX and see what happens. Lynne From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Mar 22 21:42:10 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:42:10 -0500 Subject: Is News Rack rss reader accessible on the Mac In-Reply-To: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020844@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7020844@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: <2768ED63-A4BD-48AF-B9D9-8DBBA584BE9D@softcon.com> I can't help with news rack, but if you want a completely accessible rss reader, and mail and safari don't fit the bill (they don't for me) then go to the softcon mac pages, and grab the softcon news reader. The softcon mac pages are at: http://www.softcon.com/mac/ The softcon news reader is what I use, and I like it a whole lot better than either safari or mail for rss feeds. Your mileage may vary. From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Mar 22 21:49:28 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:49:28 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: References: <82FED98E-7A94-4624-94D3-C2B068CBDA3C@anarchie.org.uk> <27CD6F05-AB06-4E4F-A4E1-F77295F11032@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Anne, I also have click2flash installed, and the site consistently crashes for me. Cheers, D?nal On 22 Mar 2011, at 21:33, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Lynne, > > Could it be that it works for me because I have ClicktoFlash installed and didn't enable flash for this site? > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 22 Mar 2011, at 22:14, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Anne >> >> On 22 Mar 2011, at 19:45, Anne Robertson wrote: >> >> ? I've visited the site and clicked on one of the links and it all seems to be working fine for me. I use Groups mode and navigate a lot by headings. >> >> This consistently happens here on our 2 MBP machines, (2009 13-inch, late 2010 17-inch) and 4 Mac Minis, ranging from PowerPC 2005 model through late 2010 models. We tried emptying the caches and logs, deleting cookies, all the usual stuff. Most odd indeed if you are not able to reproduce the problem. >> >> ? I'm wondering whether the computer being used makes a difference. This is a 2007 white MacBook with 2 gb of RAM. It seems to be one of the most stable machines I've ever known. >> >> Well; I'm no texpert; but I can't really see why that should be a factor. Our MBP's are running 8GB of RAM, and the 17-inch has a 250GB SDD. >> >> Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Tue Mar 22 21:52:15 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:52:15 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: <693F3F42-FD26-42A5-A06A-6432AF1A729A@mac-access.net> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217992@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <693F3F42-FD26-42A5-A06A-6432AF1A729A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Lynne! My version is... 5.0.4 6533.20.27 And I've also got that latest 10.67 [I think that's the right number] OS running! hth Colin Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 22 Mar 2011, at 21:35, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Colin > > > On 22 Mar 2011, at 20:34, Colin M wrote: > > ? I've had a look with my Imac with cursor tracking on, quick nav and in dom mode and had no trouble! > Well I hope that's of some use! > > NMay I ask which version of Safari you're using? > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Mar 22 21:54:47 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 16:54:47 -0500 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: <849DF84D-89AC-4E01-8DED-745730B78881@mac-access.net> References: <772543F4-A00E-459B-A611-30F7EEB9A464@thejazzden.org.uk> <849DF84D-89AC-4E01-8DED-745730B78881@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <01159324-9184-4E48-8F5C-87823934832F@softcon.com> On Mar 22, 2011, at 4:15 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Gordon has just asked whether you could temporarily turn off > Javascripting in the prefs. > You sure can, I do this all the time on sites that misbehave or make vo/safari extremely slow. There's two ways of doing this, one is in the prefs, just check the box that turns off java scripting, and reload the page (or check the box before going to the page) The second way (which is what I use) is to turn on the developer menu option, then you can turn java scripting on/off from the developer menu anytime you like without having to go into the prefs to set/reset the option. This is the method I use. Just remember to reload the page after toggling this option, or set it before going to the page the first time. From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Mar 22 21:54:54 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:54:54 +0000 Subject: Reading DAISY Message-ID: Hi all, Well, I finally must concede defeat, and succumb to the evil empire that is the DAISY consortium, and the horrible format they have foisted upon the blind community. (ok rant over). In a nutshell, what are people using to read DAISY books on the mac? Have you found that Safari's rendering of the XML file alone is good enough, or must I yet again be forced into a blind-oriented proprietary piece of software I don't want to use, in order to read books in a format I despise? Any help appreciated. D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Tue Mar 22 22:13:14 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:13:14 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217992@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: <5A7BBC31-E438-4237-8B9C-E2420E734259@blueyonder.co.uk> Lynn, I have no problem using this site, however I do have click 2 flash disabled, not sure if you are using that at all. Chris On 22 Mar 2011, at 20:34, Colin M wrote: > Hi Lynne! > I've had a look with my Imac with cursor tracking on, quick nav and in dom mode and had no trouble! > Well I hope that's of some use! > Colin > > I'm far too bad for Heaven! > The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! > > On 22 Mar 2011, at 20:13, Sunil Peck wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm guessing if you don't have Flash installed, it might work fine if you do install it. >> >> Sunil >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith [lynne at mac-access.net] >> Sent: 22 March 2011 19:10 >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website >> >> Hello everybody >> >> Would somebody please verify that Safari 5.04 consistently crashes on the following website: >> >> >> We can replicate this crash with and without VoiceOver. 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Open a directory containing a large number of files & subdirectories 2. Turn off cursor tracking in VoiceOver 3. Try to interact with the image browser, as VoiceOver calls it. I say try because that in itself doesn't always work 4. Use command+right/left arrow keys to highlight and select. Although I'm not sure about the validity of the last step. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Mar 22 22:24:13 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:24:13 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217992@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <693F3F42-FD26-42A5-A06A-6432AF1A729A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <34C12BC5-BCD8-4CDF-BDC7-066C785728E8@mac-access.net> Hello Colin Thank you for this info, it checks out with ours. Lynne On 22 Mar 2011, at 21:52, Colin M wrote: Hi Lynne! My version is... 5.0.4 6533.20.27 And I've also got that latest 10.67 [I think that's the right number] OS running! hth Colin Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 22 Mar 2011, at 21:35, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Colin > > > On 22 Mar 2011, at 20:34, Colin M wrote: > > ? I've had a look with my Imac with cursor tracking on, quick nav and in dom mode and had no trouble! > Well I hope that's of some use! > > NMay I ask which version of Safari you're using? > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Mar 22 22:26:25 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:26:25 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: <01159324-9184-4E48-8F5C-87823934832F@softcon.com> References: <772543F4-A00E-459B-A611-30F7EEB9A464@thejazzden.org.uk> <849DF84D-89AC-4E01-8DED-745730B78881@mac-access.net> <01159324-9184-4E48-8F5C-87823934832F@softcon.com> Message-ID: <20489A1C-0E2D-4335-B803-D7E4B6731C13@mac-access.net> Hello Travis No, you misunderstood the question IO'm afraid. Gordon was asking whether Dennis could try this, not whether you actually can do so. :) Lynne On 22 Mar 2011, at 21:54, Travis Siegel wrote: You sure can, I do this all the time on sites that misbehave or make vo/safari extremely slow. There's two ways of doing this, one is in the prefs, just check the box that turns off java scripting, and reload the page (or check the box before going to the page) The second way (which is what I use) is to turn on the developer menu option, then you can turn java scripting on/off from the developer menu anytime you like without having to go into the prefs to set/reset the option. This is the method I use. Just remember to reload the page after toggling this option, or set it before going to the page the first time. From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Mar 22 22:27:59 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:27:59 +0000 Subject: Safari Consistently Crashing On Prominent British Website In-Reply-To: <5A7BBC31-E438-4237-8B9C-E2420E734259@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217992@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <5A7BBC31-E438-4237-8B9C-E2420E734259@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <7271A2E5-3CBF-4C82-8A98-EE769883DEFC@mac-access.net> Hello Chris On 22 Mar 2011, at 22:13, Chris Moore wrote: I have no problem using this site, however I do have click 2 flash disabled, not sure if you are using that at all. We've now tried it with and without CTF, same results. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Mar 22 22:42:24 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:42:24 +0000 Subject: Update to 10.6.7 Message-ID: <4E9DABA2-E8FE-4636-944E-604EA094ED9B@mac-access.net> Herllo everybody Could somebody who has just updated to 10.6.7 give me a build number please? Thank you. Lynne From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Mar 22 22:49:58 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 22:49:58 +0000 Subject: Update to 10.6.7 In-Reply-To: <4E9DABA2-E8FE-4636-944E-604EA094ED9B@mac-access.net> References: <4E9DABA2-E8FE-4636-944E-604EA094ED9B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <04130B40-1EF7-4C8F-8BAC-8F8B89D0187D@computing.dcu.ie> Hi Lynne, Build 10J869. D?nal. On 22 Mar 2011, at 22:42, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Herllo everybody > > Could somebody who has just updated to 10.6.7 give me a build number please? > > Thank you. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From billd at insightbb.com Tue Mar 22 23:01:30 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 19:01:30 -0400 Subject: finally getting on face book and Twitter Message-ID: <9AEA545B-66B4-4636-943A-31082D94989D@insightbb.com> Hello, I am finally getting on face book and then I am planning on getting on Twitter. How do these programs work with the Mac? is there any apps that will make it easier to negotiate these programs? I got a two programs for the Iphone. does anyone have any suggestions of apps that either can be used on the Iphone or the mac for facebook and Twitter. Thanks from an old guy who is finally catching up with the times. Bill deatherage From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Tue Mar 22 23:16:48 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 20:16:48 -0300 Subject: Skype Problem (revisited) Message-ID: <6539CB5623AC4E04B7506E728B77DC09@MainComputer> Hi Folks: I have noticed that, when leaving a voicemail generated from my Mac Book Pro, the intended recipient does not receive the voicemail; however, I am able to speak with the person in a live Skype call with no problem. If I send the message via a PC, the message gets through with no problem. It would appear, that the Mac aborts the process when one hangs up the call. Does anyone know if this is an issue caused by Voiceover, or by keyboard commands? Does mouse users experience the same problems? I can't seem to find any traffic concerning this matter on the internet. Thanks all over the place gang. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Mar 22 23:17:33 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:17:33 -0500 Subject: finally getting on face book and Twitter In-Reply-To: <9AEA545B-66B4-4636-943A-31082D94989D@insightbb.com> References: <9AEA545B-66B4-4636-943A-31082D94989D@insightbb.com> Message-ID: I don't use twitter, so can't help there. However, if you want to have the least amount of hassle with facebook, be sure to use the mobile version of the site. (m.fasebook.com) It's not as full featured as the main site, but it's a lot easier to navigate, and it's a whole lot less cluttered. From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Mar 22 23:31:56 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 23:31:56 +0000 Subject: Update to 10.6.7 In-Reply-To: <04130B40-1EF7-4C8F-8BAC-8F8B89D0187D@computing.dcu.ie> References: <4E9DABA2-E8FE-4636-944E-604EA094ED9B@mac-access.net> <04130B40-1EF7-4C8F-8BAC-8F8B89D0187D@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <3BB1070D-4285-40E7-B8B0-53FD6E94E1B9@mac-access.net> Hi Donal On 22 Mar 2011, at 22:49, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: Build 10J869. Excellent, thank you. That's the information we needed which confirms Gordon's theory. Lynne D?nal. On 22 Mar 2011, at 22:42, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Herllo everybody > > Could somebody who has just updated to 10.6.7 give me a build number please? > > Thank you. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 01:31:08 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:31:08 -0700 Subject: Update to 10.6.7 In-Reply-To: <4E9DABA2-E8FE-4636-944E-604EA094ED9B@mac-access.net> References: <4E9DABA2-E8FE-4636-944E-604EA094ED9B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello. Build 10J869 Hope that helps. On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:42 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Herllo everybody > > Could somebody who has just updated to 10.6.7 give me a build number please? > > Thank you. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 01:32:24 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 18:32:24 -0700 Subject: Selectying Files In-Reply-To: <0470FCAA-5D98-4995-84F5-A05F60330630@mac-access.net> References: <0470FCAA-5D98-4995-84F5-A05F60330630@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <30482B70-BD20-40A3-B145-BE80CF61E080@gmail.com> I would try this in list view not image view and see if that works. then try and interact with the thing and use vo up and down and vo cmd space to select the item. This after you turn curser tracking off. On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Is anybody noticing that selecting groups of files using VoiceOver is not working any more when you do the following: > > 1. Open a directory containing a large number of files & subdirectories > 2. Turn off cursor tracking in VoiceOver > 3. Try to interact with the image browser, as VoiceOver calls it. I say try because that in itself doesn't always work > 4. Use command+right/left arrow keys to highlight and select. Although I'm not sure about the validity of the last step. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Wed Mar 23 02:03:24 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:03:24 -0500 Subject: VO-friendly way to install Flash In-Reply-To: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217991@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217991@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: <7EC9201D-F328-4D26-B460-8E8D923FDF87@charter.net> The installer is a bit nonstandard, but it's useable, you can't use the navigation keys, just use the tab key and press space to check the box about agreeing to the license, then tab to continue, when it's done, tab to close, and press the space bar to select it. On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Sunil Peck wrote: > Hi, > > I'm keen to install Flash so I can stream content from the BBC iPlayer. > > But I only get part way through the installation process and can't carry on which, I think, is because there's a button I'm not picking up with VO+right arrow. > > I get to a point where 'image' is announced but my VO+space does nothing. Is there a command someone could tell me to make it work? Or is the only way to install Falsh with some sighted help. > > Thanks, > Sunil > > Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by > guarantee (number 520866). > Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. > Our VAT number is 805156939. > > > Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk > > This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential > and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been > addressed by the sender. This message may contain confidential and/or > privileged material. 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I've been extracting from the app file or folder the pkg file to run and that is your standard installer. On Mar 22, 2011, at 7:03 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > The installer is a bit nonstandard, but it's useable, you can't use the navigation keys, just use the tab key and press space to check the box about agreeing to the license, then tab to continue, when it's done, tab to close, and press the space bar to select it. > On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Sunil Peck wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm keen to install Flash so I can stream content from the BBC iPlayer. >> >> But I only get part way through the installation process and can't carry on which, I think, is because there's a button I'm not picking up with VO+right arrow. >> >> I get to a point where 'image' is announced but my VO+space does nothing. Is there a command someone could tell me to make it work? Or is the only way to install Falsh with some sighted help. >> >> Thanks, >> Sunil >> >> Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by >> guarantee (number 520866). >> Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. >> Our VAT number is 805156939. >> >> >> Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk >> >> This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential >> and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been >> addressed by the sender. This message may contain confidential and/or >> privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this >> message, or if you believe it was transmitted to you in error, you are >> required to delete the message and any copies of it, and to notify the >> sender immediately. Any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution, >> or printing of this message or accompanying files, or unauthorised use >> of any information contained therein, by anyone other than the >> intended recipient(s) is prohibited and may be unlawful. >> >> Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with >> it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the >> views of Scope. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Mar 23 02:55:58 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 02:55:58 +0000 Subject: Update to 10.6.7 In-Reply-To: References: <4E9DABA2-E8FE-4636-944E-604EA094ED9B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Sarah On 23 Mar 2011, at 01:31, Sarah Alawami wrote: Build 10J869 Thank you. There's no need for anybody else to reply to this, this confirms what we needed to know. Thank you. Lynne From gordon at mac-access.net Wed Mar 23 04:05:45 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 04:05:45 +0000 Subject: Selectying Files In-Reply-To: <30482B70-BD20-40A3-B145-BE80CF61E080@gmail.com> References: <0470FCAA-5D98-4995-84F5-A05F60330630@mac-access.net> <30482B70-BD20-40A3-B145-BE80CF61E080@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sarah Image view? I presume, sorry if I'm being dim here, you meant icon view, did you? This certainly used to work in icon view, I used it a lot at one time. It only came up last night because I was showing Lynne a couple more file manipulation tricks and the demo fell flat on its face at the point of multiple file selection. Gordon On 23 Mar 2011, at 01:32, Sarah Alawami wrote: I would try this in list view not image view and see if that works. then try and interact with the thing and use vo up and down and vo cmd space to select the item. This after you turn curser tracking off. From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 04:44:59 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:44:59 -0700 Subject: Selectying Files In-Reply-To: References: <0470FCAA-5D98-4995-84F5-A05F60330630@mac-access.net> <30482B70-BD20-40A3-B145-BE80CF61E080@gmail.com> Message-ID: <450ED4A6-07F4-4C4B-85E5-986D63F5FAF9@gmail.com> No I meant list view. cmd 2 from the files list. I operate in nothing but that lol! Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 22, 2011, at 9:05 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Sarah > > Image view? I presume, sorry if I'm being dim here, you meant icon view, did you? > > This certainly used to work in icon view, I used it a lot at one time. It only came up last night because I was showing Lynne a couple more file manipulation tricks and the demo fell flat on its face at the point of multiple file selection. > > Gordon > > On 23 Mar 2011, at 01:32, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > I would try this in list view not image view and see if that works. then try and interact with the thing and use vo up and down and vo cmd space to select the item. This after you turn curser tracking off. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Wed Mar 23 06:02:52 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 06:02:52 +0000 Subject: Selectying Files In-Reply-To: <450ED4A6-07F4-4C4B-85E5-986D63F5FAF9@gmail.com> References: <0470FCAA-5D98-4995-84F5-A05F60330630@mac-access.net> <30482B70-BD20-40A3-B145-BE80CF61E080@gmail.com> <450ED4A6-07F4-4C4B-85E5-986D63F5FAF9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <372994D1-973A-4678-97C6-26AD46013AF9@mac-access.net> Hi Sarah Yes, I understand that, but uyou said image view and I thought that you were saying use list view instead of icon view, rather than list view instead of image view. Not that it matters, of course, I think I get your drift. :) Gordon On 23 Mar 2011, at 04:44, Sarah Alawami wrote: No I meant list view. cmd 2 from the files list. I operate in nothing but that lol! From mcdiemert at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 11:50:23 2011 From: mcdiemert at gmail.com (Matt Diemert) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 07:50:23 -0400 Subject: Editing in text edit and/or pages Message-ID: <002301cbe950$7f194890$7d4bd9b0$@com> Good morning all. Alright, here's the area I'm struggling with when using the mac. I have a word document open in pages, and my goal is to edit this document to update or type new information. Sometimes, I find when navigating by character, VO may repeat the character twice which now means, I'm not sure which character I'm actually on. This makes it difficult as I'm often skipping over spaces, and then words are of course joined and consequently are misspelled. Is there a guide out there on editing documents with VO, or would someone have some tips for doing this more efficiently than I'm obviously doing it. I'd appreciate any assistance one could provide. Matt D. From anne at anarchie.org.uk Wed Mar 23 12:05:08 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:05:08 +0100 Subject: Editing in text edit and/or pages In-Reply-To: <002301cbe950$7f194890$7d4bd9b0$@com> References: <002301cbe950$7f194890$7d4bd9b0$@com> Message-ID: Hello Matt, On the Mac, the insertion point is between characters, not on a character. This means that when you're navigating to the right, the insertion point is to the right of what you've just heard spoken. When navigating to the left, the insertion point is to the left of what you've just heard spoken. This is logical and easy when you get used to it. In a document, you can move by character with the left and right arrows alone, by word with Option + left and right arrows, and you can highlight by using the Shift key. Command-Up arrow will take you to the top of the document, and Command-Down arrow to the bottom. Cheers, Anne On 23 Mar 2011, at 12:50, Matt Diemert wrote: > Good morning all. > > Alright, here's the area I'm struggling with when using the mac. > > I have a word document open in pages, and my goal is to edit this document > to update or type new information. Sometimes, I find when navigating by > character, VO may repeat the character twice which now means, I'm not sure > which character I'm actually on. This makes it difficult as I'm often > skipping over spaces, and then words are of course joined and consequently > are misspelled. > > Is there a guide out there on editing documents with VO, or would someone > have some tips for doing this more efficiently than I'm obviously doing it. > > I'd appreciate any assistance one could provide. > > Matt D. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From billd at insightbb.com Wed Mar 23 12:07:09 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 08:07:09 -0400 Subject: removing applications from the i-phone In-Reply-To: References: <4d71cc4f.813ee30a.2230.05c0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello, I went to delete a file and when I double tap it keeps opening the app. could you tell me what I am doing wrong? Bill Deatherage From billd at insightbb.com Wed Mar 23 12:11:22 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 08:11:22 -0400 Subject: removing applications from the i-phone In-Reply-To: References: <4d71cc4f.813ee30a.2230.05c0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1F18D46D-12DA-4830-A4B6-043C89A658F6@insightbb.com> Hello, I got the apps deleted. thanks anyway. Bill Deatherage From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 12:16:12 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 13:16:12 +0100 Subject: Editing in text edit and/or pages In-Reply-To: <002301cbe950$7f194890$7d4bd9b0$@com> References: <002301cbe950$7f194890$7d4bd9b0$@com> Message-ID: Hello Matt, The way VoiceOVer works is that it actually reads the corect cursor position of the cursor, as opposed to conventional Windows screen readers. This means that it is between the letters, rather than reported to be on either side of it. For example, if you move to the right of a letter, that letter will be removed. If you move to the left, the letter to the left of the one that is reported is deleted when hitting backspace. You can change this setting under the VoiceOver Utility underneath the Verbosity category and the "Text" tab. The label is "When moving the cursor." The default setting is set to "Speak text the cursor passes," though you may change it to "Speak text to the right of the cursor" if you wish. This will imitate the behavior you are used to, though I personally find the default much more accurate. Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Mar 23, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Matt Diemert wrote: > Good morning all. > > Alright, here's the area I'm struggling with when using the mac. > > I have a word document open in pages, and my goal is to edit this document > to update or type new information. Sometimes, I find when navigating by > character, VO may repeat the character twice which now means, I'm not sure > which character I'm actually on. This makes it difficult as I'm often > skipping over spaces, and then words are of course joined and consequently > are misspelled. > > Is there a guide out there on editing documents with VO, or would someone > have some tips for doing this more efficiently than I'm obviously doing it. > > I'd appreciate any assistance one could provide. > > Matt D. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 13:07:07 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 09:07:07 -0400 Subject: Editing in text edit and/or pages In-Reply-To: <002301cbe950$7f194890$7d4bd9b0$@com> References: <002301cbe950$7f194890$7d4bd9b0$@com> Message-ID: <5865F956-B34D-402C-841C-7DEFFCD6A57F@gmail.com> The Getting Started With VoiceOver Guide has exercises in it that will help with this. On Mar 23, 2011, at 7:50 AM, Matt Diemert wrote: > Good morning all. > > Alright, here's the area I'm struggling with when using the mac. > > I have a word document open in pages, and my goal is to edit this document > to update or type new information. Sometimes, I find when navigating by > character, VO may repeat the character twice which now means, I'm not sure > which character I'm actually on. This makes it difficult as I'm often > skipping over spaces, and then words are of course joined and consequently > are misspelled. > > Is there a guide out there on editing documents with VO, or would someone > have some tips for doing this more efficiently than I'm obviously doing it. > > I'd appreciate any assistance one could provide. > > Matt D. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Mar 23 15:34:05 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:34:05 +0000 Subject: Editing in text edit and/or pages In-Reply-To: References: <002301cbe950$7f194890$7d4bd9b0$@com> Message-ID: Hello Anne Top posting here as I just wanted to make a couple of little comments regarding your excellent description below. From Gordon's and my perspective, we have just had to acquire a netbook as we need to use Windows for Braille and DAISY publications. And I can tell you this much; text editing on the Mac is far more logical and functional than it is on Windown. Alright, so you can get the job done. But when it comes to moving chunks of text around within a file, importing parts of a file into your work project or even exporting from it, Mac OSX wins hands down. Granted that for the switcher it takes a little getting used too. But practise will soon accustom anybody to the superior methodology I am sure. Lynne On 23 Mar 2011, at 12:05, Anne Robertson wrote: On the Mac, the insertion point is between characters, not on a character. This means that when you're navigating to the right, the insertion point is to the right of what you've just heard spoken. When navigating to the left, the insertion point is to the left of what you've just heard spoken. This is logical and easy when you get used to it. In a document, you can move by character with the left and right arrows alone, by word with Option + left and right arrows, and you can highlight by using the Shift key. Command-Up arrow will take you to the top of the document, and Command-Down arrow to the bottom. From mcdiemert at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 16:13:42 2011 From: mcdiemert at gmail.com (Matt Diemert) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:13:42 -0400 Subject: Editing in text edit and/or pages In-Reply-To: References: <002301cbe950$7f194890$7d4bd9b0$@com> Message-ID: <000b01cbe975$48260dd0$d8722970$@com> Hi all, Coming back with a few more questions here, I hope you all can indulge a newbie. So, let's say for example I want to edit something like March 22, 2011 and I'm on the second 2 of the 22, if I press back space, the character to the left meaning the first two would then be erased? What if I press the forward delete key, would that then delete the comma? One of the features in jaws that I've found no way to replace at this point is the ability to mark two places in order to highlight a large chunk of text. In my current job I'm often editing reports that I've written once and after subsequent visits, I update. So in the windows world, I could mark the first word say on page two go down half way through page 3 mark the end of this block, and then delete or cut the text out to enter the new text, now granted this was a new feature as of j12, but I keep falling back to my pc, as I just hate rewriting entire reports when there is a nice outline in front of me. How would one suggest going about this in pages or text edit? I know most of this has been covered at one time or another, so I'll go search the archives so as not to clutter too much, but this is the big issue I'm struggling to get my head around and completely switch over. Thanks all for your help, it's most definitely appreciated. Warm Regards: Matt Diemert 330-980-0046 -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 8:16 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Editing in text edit and/or pages Hello Matt, The way VoiceOVer works is that it actually reads the corect cursor position of the cursor, as opposed to conventional Windows screen readers. This means that it is between the letters, rather than reported to be on either side of it. For example, if you move to the right of a letter, that letter will be removed. If you move to the left, the letter to the left of the one that is reported is deleted when hitting backspace. You can change this setting under the VoiceOver Utility underneath the Verbosity category and the "Text" tab. The label is "When moving the cursor." The default setting is set to "Speak text the cursor passes," though you may change it to "Speak text to the right of the cursor" if you wish. This will imitate the behavior you are used to, though I personally find the default much more accurate. Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Mar 23, 2011, at 12:50 PM, Matt Diemert wrote: > Good morning all. > > Alright, here's the area I'm struggling with when using the mac. > > I have a word document open in pages, and my goal is to edit this document > to update or type new information. Sometimes, I find when navigating by > character, VO may repeat the character twice which now means, I'm not sure > which character I'm actually on. This makes it difficult as I'm often > skipping over spaces, and then words are of course joined and consequently > are misspelled. > > Is there a guide out there on editing documents with VO, or would someone > have some tips for doing this more efficiently than I'm obviously doing it. > > I'd appreciate any assistance one could provide. > > Matt D. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From niam.mckeown at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 16:15:18 2011 From: niam.mckeown at gmail.com (Niamh) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 16:15:18 -0000 Subject: Editing in text edit and/or pages References: <002301cbe950$7f194890$7d4bd9b0$@com> Message-ID: I am very slowly learning about mac. What caught my attention was comments about text editting, which I have to do for my work editting text transcripts. Has apple come up with anything like J-Tools which I have found invalueable. Niamh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Editing in text edit and/or pages > Hello Anne > > Top posting here as I just wanted to make a couple of little comments > regarding your excellent description below. From Gordon's and my > perspective, we have just had to acquire a netbook as we need to use > Windows for Braille and DAISY publications. And I can tell you this much; > text editing on the Mac is far more logical and functional than it is on > Windown. > > Alright, so you can get the job done. But when it comes to moving chunks > of text around within a file, importing parts of a file into your work > project or even exporting from it, Mac OSX wins hands down. Granted that > for the switcher it takes a little getting used too. But practise will > soon accustom anybody to the superior methodology I am sure. > > Lynne > > On 23 Mar 2011, at 12:05, Anne Robertson wrote: > > On the Mac, the insertion point is between characters, not on a character. > This means that when you're navigating to the right, the insertion point > is to the right of what you've just heard spoken. When navigating to the > left, the insertion point is to the left of what you've just heard spoken. > > This is logical and easy when you get used to it. > > In a document, you can move by character with the left and right arrows > alone, by word with Option + left and right arrows, and you can highlight > by using the Shift key. > > Command-Up arrow will take you to the top of the document, and > Command-Down arrow to the bottom. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From billd at insightbb.com Wed Mar 23 16:25:03 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (bill deatherage) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 12:25:03 -0400 Subject: finally getting on face book and Twitter In-Reply-To: References: <9AEA545B-66B4-4636-943A-31082D94989D@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <8FC6C7F621664410B5E668FB6923706C@WilliamPC> hello, thanks for the information. I am sure I will get there slowly. Thanks Bill Deatherage From anne at anarchie.org.uk Wed Mar 23 16:36:46 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:36:46 +0100 Subject: Editing in text edit and/or pages In-Reply-To: <000b01cbe975$48260dd0$d8722970$@com> References: <002301cbe950$7f194890$7d4bd9b0$@com> <000b01cbe975$48260dd0$d8722970$@com> Message-ID: Hello Matt, On 23 Mar 2011, at 17:13, Matt Diemert wrote: > > > So, let's say for example I want to edit something like > March 22, 2011 and I'm on the second 2 of the 22, Let me stop you there. You are Never "on" any character, you are between characters. So, if you have just made VO read 22 from left to right, you are after the second 2. > if I press back space, the > character to the left meaning the first two would then be erased? No. If you have just moved from left to right, the second 2 will be erased. > What if I > press the forward delete key, would that then delete the comma? Yes, that would indeed delete the comma. > One of the features in jaws that I've found no way to replace at this point > is the ability to mark two places in order to highlight a large chunk of > text. > In my current job I'm often editing reports that I've written once and after > subsequent visits, I update. So in the windows world, I could mark the > first word say on page two go down half way through page 3 mark the end of > this block, and then delete or cut the text out to enter the new text, now > granted this was a new feature as of j12, but I keep falling back to my pc, > as I just hate rewriting entire reports when there is a nice outline in > front of me. > How would one suggest going about this in pages or text edit? Set a hotspot at the first position and another hotspot at the second. You can then select all the text in between by pressing VO-Return, jumping to the other hotspot using VO-hotspot number, then pressing VO-Return again to stop selecting. You can then copy, cut or delete the selected text. > Cheers, Anne From anne at anarchie.org.uk Wed Mar 23 16:38:55 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:38:55 +0100 Subject: Editing in text edit and/or pages In-Reply-To: References: <002301cbe950$7f194890$7d4bd9b0$@com> Message-ID: <7276CC7A-AE30-4B27-A6A5-BF8F9B44E46F@anarchie.org.uk> Hello Niamh, On 23 Mar 2011, at 17:15, Niamh wrote: > I am very slowly learning about mac. > What caught my attention was comments about text editting, which I have to do for my work editting text transcripts. > Has apple come up with anything like J-Tools which I have found invalueable. Could you explain what you're talking about, please? Not everyone has ever used Windows and JAWS. You're much more likely to get a sensible answer if you describe what you're trying to do. Cheers, Anne From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Wed Mar 23 17:10:15 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:10:15 +0000 Subject: Editing in text edit and/or pages In-Reply-To: References: <002301cbe950$7f194890$7d4bd9b0$@com> <000b01cbe975$48260dd0$d8722970$@com> Message-ID: <25E0AA73-D316-4111-9C48-380704DD3855@gmail.com> Hey nice one Anne! One way to use hotspots! :] Although you can mark the beginning vo+enter then just scroll down until you get to the last bit of text and vo+enter there this might be quicker if its not a lot of text! Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 23 Mar 2011, at 16:36, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Matt, > > On 23 Mar 2011, at 17:13, Matt Diemert wrote: >> >> >> So, let's say for example I want to edit something like >> March 22, 2011 and I'm on the second 2 of the 22, > Let me stop you there. You are Never "on" any character, you are between characters. So, if you have just made VO read 22 from left to right, you are after the second 2. > >> if I press back space, the >> character to the left meaning the first two would then be erased? > No. If you have just moved from left to right, the second 2 will be erased. > >> What if I >> press the forward delete key, would that then delete the comma? > Yes, that would indeed delete the comma. > >> One of the features in jaws that I've found no way to replace at this point >> is the ability to mark two places in order to highlight a large chunk of >> text. >> In my current job I'm often editing reports that I've written once and after >> subsequent visits, I update. So in the windows world, I could mark the >> first word say on page two go down half way through page 3 mark the end of >> this block, and then delete or cut the text out to enter the new text, now >> granted this was a new feature as of j12, but I keep falling back to my pc, >> as I just hate rewriting entire reports when there is a nice outline in >> front of me. >> How would one suggest going about this in pages or text edit? > Set a hotspot at the first position and another hotspot at the second. You can then select all the text in between by pressing VO-Return, jumping to the other hotspot using VO-hotspot number, then pressing VO-Return again to stop selecting. You can then copy, cut or delete the selected text. > >> Cheers, > > Anne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Mar 23 18:54:36 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 18:54:36 +0000 Subject: skype and automated phone system.s Message-ID: Hi all, Has anyone tried using Skype to call those automated phone systems: I'm sure you all know the thing "press one to go insane, press two if you already are, press three repeatedly if you have multiple personalities" that kind of thing. Anyway, Skype, (or more likely the way I use it) doesn't like these systems. In order to use one of these systems I: 1. press CMD-2 to bring the dialpad up. 2. Type the number I wish to dial into the edit box and then press enter. 3. Once the call has been connected, I then press CMD-2 to bring up the dialpad again 4. Find the button I need to press and then use VO-space to activate it. When I do this, I get the continuous DTMF tones of whatever number I've pressed, and they just go on and on and on. Anyone any thoughts or ideas? D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From lavendar at bell.net Wed Mar 23 19:00:01 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:00:01 -0400 Subject: Finally Found! In-Reply-To: <24C74A98-9C4B-41E4-A1C4-3B86005F216E@mac-access.net> References: <24C74A98-9C4B-41E4-A1C4-3B86005F216E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Thanks, Lynn. This should be great! I was wondering if the unarchiver that comes with the mac can handle .rar files or not, but I might just get this anyway. Never hurts. Caitlyn On Mar 19, 2011, at 11:06 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > As long-term members of this group will know now I think, Gordon and I have long been searching for an archive utility with a GUI which would give us accessibility, plus support for our favourite methods of archival. > > Well, last night while looking for something else totally unrelated, I stumbled across this programme. Its name is "Sarchiver" and it supports most popular formats of archiving, including RAR. So I went and checked it out and, finally, I have what I have been searching for for quite some time. > > There is only one thing missing as it seems to me; the ability to insert comments into one's RAR archive. If you'd like to take a gander at any of the company's products, I'll first give you the website for Sarchive. They also do a backup programme which might interest some. Here is the URL: > > > Enjoy. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lavendar at bell.net Wed Mar 23 19:12:37 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 15:12:37 -0400 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: <2CB47588-E9B5-4EB3-B3D0-39F69FED7240@mac-access.net> References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <2CB47588-E9B5-4EB3-B3D0-39F69FED7240@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Lynn, Do you know where instructions can be found for this, or do you just pay for them, download them, run the .dmg file, and then in theory, they are in the choices for your voiceover voices? Cait, who is full of questions lately On Mar 19, 2011, at 11:34 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Caitlyn > > On 18 Mar 2011, at 17:10, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > > Can you use these with voiceover? Hope this isn't a dumb question.. > > It's not a dumb question at all. We haven't had chance to try them yet but yes, in theory, they do work. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Mar 23 19:31:49 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:31:49 +0000 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <2CB47588-E9B5-4EB3-B3D0-39F69FED7240@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <126FB022-07B6-43DE-A0B5-635164FDC14C@mac-access.net> Hello Caitlyn On 23 Mar 2011, at 19:12, Caitlyn Furness wrote: Do you know where instructions can be found for this, or do you just pay for them, download them, run the .dmg file, and then in theory, they are in the choices for your voiceover voices? yes, you just download and install them. I think you can try them out for so long though to evaluate them for your needs. But based on what we are being told by a friend of ours from Teesside University over here in the UK, we have decided not to bother with the OSX voices because they apparently perform very badly with VoiceOver. Don't be afraid to ask questions, that's why the group exists in the first place. Lynne From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 19:31:55 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 20:31:55 +0100 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <2CB47588-E9B5-4EB3-B3D0-39F69FED7240@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <70FC8DE9-28B5-48E9-B3A7-A503F9C52A2C@gmail.com> Hello Caitlyn, I posted an early email about the need not to use these. Currently, they do not work with SNow Leopard. I contacted the Cepstral team about this, and they claimed that it was because the events could only be passed onto VoiceOver through Apple's own voices. Of course, we know that's not true if you use the Infovox iVox voices, but they might be using another approach than the Assistiveware team. At any rate, until it is fixed, I do not recommend using the Cepstral voices. It literally will not speak, except for the various voice attributes. Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Mar 23, 2011, at 8:12 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Lynn, > > Do you know where instructions can be found for this, or do you just pay for them, download them, run the .dmg file, and then in theory, they are in the choices for your voiceover voices? > > Cait, who is full of questions lately > > On Mar 19, 2011, at 11:34 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Caitlyn >> >> On 18 Mar 2011, at 17:10, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> >> Can you use these with voiceover? Hope this isn't a dumb question.. >> >> It's not a dumb question at all. We haven't had chance to try them yet but yes, in theory, they do work. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From anne at anarchie.org.uk Wed Mar 23 19:49:03 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 20:49:03 +0100 Subject: Selecting a block of text from a website Message-ID: Hello everyone, Here's how to select part of a web page and copy it into a text document. ? Find the start point for your selection and set a hotspot (VO-Shift-number), it must not be a link; ? Find the end point for your selection and set a second hotspot, once again, not a link; ? Turn cursor tracking off (VO-Shift-F3); ? Bring the mouse to the hotspot (VO-Cmd-F5); ? Check that the mouse is actually on the hotspot (VO-F5); ? Click the physical mouse or trackpad; ? Go to first hotspot (VO-number); ? Bring the mouse to the hotspot; ? Check that the mouse is on the hotspot; ? Hold down the Shift key and click the mouse or trackpad; ? Press Cmd-C to copy the text. If you've succeeded in highlighting text, you'll hear "Copy". Cheers, Anne From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 21:07:37 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 14:07:37 -0700 Subject: Selecting a block of text from a website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BD56B66-01DD-48DF-AE5D-60D1E786C766@gmail.com> Hey thanks. I appreciate this. I didn't know you can use the physical mouse pad for such things but then again I'm still learning.. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 23, 2011, at 12:49 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Here's how to select part of a web page and copy it into a text document. > > ? Find the start point for your selection and set a hotspot (VO-Shift-number), it must not be a link; > ? Find the end point for your selection and set a second hotspot, once again, not a link; > ? Turn cursor tracking off (VO-Shift-F3); > ? Bring the mouse to the hotspot (VO-Cmd-F5); > ? Check that the mouse is actually on the hotspot (VO-F5); > ? Click the physical mouse or trackpad; > ? Go to first hotspot (VO-number); > ? Bring the mouse to the hotspot; > ? Check that the mouse is on the hotspot; > ? Hold down the Shift key and click the mouse or trackpad; > ? Press Cmd-C to copy the text. > > If you've succeeded in highlighting text, you'll hear "Copy". > > Cheers, > > Anne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 21:07:40 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 14:07:40 -0700 Subject: Finally Found! In-Reply-To: References: <24C74A98-9C4B-41E4-A1C4-3B86005F216E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I believe it can. I've made .rar files for people and myself as well. *grins*. Take care all and be blessed. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 23, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Thanks, Lynn. This should be great! I was wondering if the unarchiver that comes with the mac can handle .rar files or not, but I might just get this anyway. Never hurts. > > Caitlyn > > On Mar 19, 2011, at 11:06 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello everybody >> >> As long-term members of this group will know now I think, Gordon and I have long been searching for an archive utility with a GUI which would give us accessibility, plus support for our favourite methods of archival. >> >> Well, last night while looking for something else totally unrelated, I stumbled across this programme. Its name is "Sarchiver" and it supports most popular formats of archiving, including RAR. So I went and checked it out and, finally, I have what I have been searching for for quite some time. >> >> There is only one thing missing as it seems to me; the ability to insert comments into one's RAR archive. If you'd like to take a gander at any of the company's products, I'll first give you the website for Sarchive. They also do a backup programme which might interest some. Here is the URL: >> >> >> Enjoy. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lavendar at bell.net Wed Mar 23 21:13:57 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 17:13:57 -0400 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <2CB47588-E9B5-4EB3-B3D0-39F69FED7240@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Thanks for the warning. Guess I could always download a demo and try it at some point if I get really curious. Cait On Mar 20, 2011, at 3:45 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi Caitlyn, > > The Cepstral voices are absolutely horrible in combination with VoiceOver. If VoiceOver doesn't crash, you have hardly any response whatsoever. At least, that was the last time I used them which was only a month ago. > > Take this with a grain of salt, particularly if a new update has been out since then. Last time I spoke to their support, though, they didn't sound particularly interested in regards to VoiceOver. > > Regards, > Nic > GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com > Facebook > Twitter > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk > Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 > AIM: cincinster > > On Mar 20, 2011, at 4:34 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Caitlyn >> >> On 18 Mar 2011, at 17:10, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> >> Can you use these with voiceover? Hope this isn't a dumb question.. >> >> It's not a dumb question at all. We haven't had chance to try them yet but yes, in theory, they do work. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 23:23:27 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:23:27 -0400 Subject: time machine question Message-ID: <4d8a80e6.47b2340a.5888.ffff9a15@mx.google.com> I want to back up my system using time machine on an external drive. My question is, as the drive has data saved on it already, not a previous time machine backup, will time machine leave that data alone? Thanks. Kevin Kevin Barry If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. From krbarry at gmail.com Wed Mar 23 23:25:15 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2011 19:25:15 -0400 Subject: changing speaking of unlabeled graphics, Message-ID: <4d8a8152.0d47340a.40f8.ffff95b3@mx.google.com> I recall there is a place to change VO so it will speak a designated word when it encounters an unlabeled graphic rather than read out the long number of the graphic which is less than useful. However, I can't seem to find it again. Can anyone tell me where that setting is to be found? Thanks. kevin Kevin Barry If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Mar 24 00:11:49 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 00:11:49 +0000 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: <70FC8DE9-28B5-48E9-B3A7-A503F9C52A2C@gmail.com> References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <2CB47588-E9B5-4EB3-B3D0-39F69FED7240@mac-access.net> <70FC8DE9-28B5-48E9-B3A7-A503F9C52A2C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Nic Actually, what Cepstral told you is true. At least, it is true in part. The API that Acapella, for instance, uses is the same one that Apple makes available. The problem is that the events that are fired down the chain are done so in strings. In other words, what you see is not what you actually get. Cepstral don't have a work-around for this problem as Assistiveware do. What actually happened with iVox was a combination of Apple modifying their API slightly to shorten the strings of events which are fired at the speech engine, and a small internal buffer being implemented in the engine itself to handle the strings. Alex and the other Apple voices are optimised to habndle the strings the way Apple does them, of course. But third party voices have a bit more of a problem. This wasn't an issue in Leopard because the internal behaviour was only changed after that release. Gordon On 23 Mar 2011, at 19:31, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hello Caitlyn, I posted an early email about the need not to use these. Currently, they do not work with SNow Leopard. I contacted the Cepstral team about this, and they claimed that it was because the events could only be passed onto VoiceOver through Apple's own voices. Of course, we know that's not true if you use the Infovox iVox voices, but they might be using another approach than the Assistiveware team. At any rate, until it is fixed, I do not recommend using the Cepstral voices. It literally will not speak, except for the various voice attributes. From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Mar 24 00:26:46 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 00:26:46 +0000 Subject: Selecting a block of text from a website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Anne I'm puzzled as to why this is necessary. I've never had a problem with selecting text on aage just as I would anywhere else. Can you explain the advantage in this method for me? I'm sure there must be one, otherwise you wouldn't have gone to all that effort to find this interesting solution which I will definitely try, as it sounds utterly fascinating. Gordon On 23 Mar 2011, at 19:49, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello everyone, Here's how to select part of a web page and copy it into a text document. ? Find the start point for your selection and set a hotspot (VO-Shift-number), it must not be a link; ? Find the end point for your selection and set a second hotspot, once again, not a link; ? Turn cursor tracking off (VO-Shift-F3); ? Bring the mouse to the hotspot (VO-Cmd-F5); ? Check that the mouse is actually on the hotspot (VO-F5); ? Click the physical mouse or trackpad; ? Go to first hotspot (VO-number); ? Bring the mouse to the hotspot; ? Check that the mouse is on the hotspot; ? Hold down the Shift key and click the mouse or trackpad; ? Press Cmd-C to copy the text. If you've succeeded in highlighting text, you'll hear "Copy". Cheers, Anne _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 06:11:20 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 07:11:20 +0100 Subject: Cepstral Voices v5 In-Reply-To: References: <3913A5CF-4827-4748-BB80-8DD20031348F@mac-access.net> <2CB47588-E9B5-4EB3-B3D0-39F69FED7240@mac-access.net> <70FC8DE9-28B5-48E9-B3A7-A503F9C52A2C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Gordon, I was always wondering about that. They say that there is a fix coming, though, so by that point it should be good soon enough. Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Mar 24, 2011, at 1:11 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Nic > > Actually, what Cepstral told you is true. At least, it is true in part. The API that Acapella, for instance, uses is the same one that Apple makes available. The problem is that the events that are fired down the chain are done so in strings. In other words, what you see is not what you actually get. Cepstral don't have a work-around for this problem as Assistiveware do. > > What actually happened with iVox was a combination of Apple modifying their API slightly to shorten the strings of events which are fired at the speech engine, and a small internal buffer being implemented in the engine itself to handle the strings. > > Alex and the other Apple voices are optimised to habndle the strings the way Apple does them, of course. But third party voices have a bit more of a problem. > > This wasn't an issue in Leopard because the internal behaviour was only changed after that release. > > Gordon > > On 23 Mar 2011, at 19:31, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > > Hello Caitlyn, > > I posted an early email about the need not to use these. Currently, they do not work with SNow Leopard. I contacted the Cepstral team about this, and they claimed that it was because the events could only be passed onto VoiceOver through Apple's own voices. Of course, we know that's not true if you use the Infovox iVox voices, but they might be using another approach than the Assistiveware team. > > At any rate, until it is fixed, I do not recommend using the Cepstral voices. It literally will not speak, except for the various voice attributes. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From anne at anarchie.org.uk Thu Mar 24 08:38:57 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:38:57 +0100 Subject: Selecting a block of text from a website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Gordon, Websites vary enormously, as you know, and on some, you can only select a certain amount of text at a time using either the shift key or VO-REturn. A lot of people have been complaining about this so I thought I'd better work something out. Cheers, Anne On 24 Mar 2011, at 01:26, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Anne > > I'm puzzled as to why this is necessary. I've never had a problem with selecting text on aage just as I would anywhere else. Can you explain the advantage in this method for me? I'm sure there must be one, otherwise you wouldn't have gone to all that effort to find this interesting solution which I will definitely try, as it sounds utterly fascinating. Gordon From kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com Thu Mar 24 10:04:57 2011 From: kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com (Kawal Gucukoglu) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:04:57 +0000 Subject: Selecting a block of text from a website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9927E009-FB67-4DC4-9BC9-6865AD82197D@sent.com> I am very grateful for this as someone was asking me the same. Sent From My I Phone On 24 Mar 2011, at 08:38 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Gordon, > > Websites vary enormously, as you know, and on some, you can only select a certain amount of text at a time using either the shift key or VO-REturn. A lot of people have been complaining about this so I thought I'd better work something out. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 24 Mar 2011, at 01:26, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hi Anne >> >> I'm puzzled as to why this is necessary. I've never had a problem with selecting text on aage just as I would anywhere else. Can you explain the advantage in this method for me? I'm sure there must be one, otherwise you wouldn't have gone to all that effort to find this interesting solution which I will definitely try, as it sounds utterly fascinating. Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com Thu Mar 24 10:48:41 2011 From: kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com (Kawal Gucukoglu) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 10:48:41 +0000 Subject: Editing in text edit and/or pages In-Reply-To: References: <002301cbe950$7f194890$7d4bd9b0$@com> <000b01cbe975$48260dd0$d8722970$@com> Message-ID: <166F3829-210C-462D-B7E3-F4341E171D76@sent.com> Anne how do you make a hotspot? kawal. Sent From My I Phone On 23 Mar 2011, at 04:36 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Matt, > > On 23 Mar 2011, at 17:13, Matt Diemert wrote: >> >> >> So, let's say for example I want to edit something like >> March 22, 2011 and I'm on the second 2 of the 22, > Let me stop you there. You are Never "on" any character, you are between characters. So, if you have just made VO read 22 from left to right, you are after the second 2. > >> if I press back space, the >> character to the left meaning the first two would then be erased? > No. If you have just moved from left to right, the second 2 will be erased. > >> What if I >> press the forward delete key, would that then delete the comma? > Yes, that would indeed delete the comma. > >> One of the features in jaws that I've found no way to replace at this point >> is the ability to mark two places in order to highlight a large chunk of >> text. >> In my current job I'm often editing reports that I've written once and after >> subsequent visits, I update. So in the windows world, I could mark the >> first word say on page two go down half way through page 3 mark the end of >> this block, and then delete or cut the text out to enter the new text, now >> granted this was a new feature as of j12, but I keep falling back to my pc, >> as I just hate rewriting entire reports when there is a nice outline in >> front of me. >> How would one suggest going about this in pages or text edit? > Set a hotspot at the first position and another hotspot at the second. You can then select all the text in between by pressing VO-Return, jumping to the other hotspot using VO-hotspot number, then pressing VO-Return again to stop selecting. You can then copy, cut or delete the selected text. > >> Cheers, > > Anne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Thu Mar 24 11:47:40 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:47:40 +0000 Subject: Editing in text edit and/or pages In-Reply-To: <166F3829-210C-462D-B7E3-F4341E171D76@sent.com> References: <002301cbe950$7f194890$7d4bd9b0$@com> <000b01cbe975$48260dd0$d8722970$@com> <166F3829-210C-462D-B7E3-F4341E171D76@sent.com> Message-ID: <0DB4896A-2016-49FA-81C1-C30E3320DA03@gmail.com> Hi Kawal! To set a hotspot when at the place you wish to put it! Press vo+shift+1 or 2 or 3 and so on! So you can set a hotspot for each number up to 0! To remove one press vo+shift+the number in question twice! Vo will say hotspot removed! When you've got the spot's set just use vo+the number in question to move from hot spot to spot! hth Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 24 Mar 2011, at 10:48, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > Anne how do you make a hotspot? > > kawal. > > Sent From My I Phone > > On 23 Mar 2011, at 04:36 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > >> Hello Matt, >> >> On 23 Mar 2011, at 17:13, Matt Diemert wrote: >>> >>> >>> So, let's say for example I want to edit something like >>> March 22, 2011 and I'm on the second 2 of the 22, >> Let me stop you there. You are Never "on" any character, you are between characters. So, if you have just made VO read 22 from left to right, you are after the second 2. >> >>> if I press back space, the >>> character to the left meaning the first two would then be erased? >> No. If you have just moved from left to right, the second 2 will be erased. >> >>> What if I >>> press the forward delete key, would that then delete the comma? >> Yes, that would indeed delete the comma. >> >>> One of the features in jaws that I've found no way to replace at this point >>> is the ability to mark two places in order to highlight a large chunk of >>> text. >>> In my current job I'm often editing reports that I've written once and after >>> subsequent visits, I update. So in the windows world, I could mark the >>> first word say on page two go down half way through page 3 mark the end of >>> this block, and then delete or cut the text out to enter the new text, now >>> granted this was a new feature as of j12, but I keep falling back to my pc, >>> as I just hate rewriting entire reports when there is a nice outline in >>> front of me. >>> How would one suggest going about this in pages or text edit? >> Set a hotspot at the first position and another hotspot at the second. You can then select all the text in between by pressing VO-Return, jumping to the other hotspot using VO-hotspot number, then pressing VO-Return again to stop selecting. You can then copy, cut or delete the selected text. >> >>> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Thu Mar 24 11:51:56 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:51:56 +0000 Subject: Voxkeys shortcuts for BBC iPLAYER Message-ID: Hello Sunil, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. My BBC iPlayer shortcuts work with Safari to enable you to play BBC TV programs within 7 days of their broadcast date. One of the possible program categories is audio described. I use Safari in DOM mode in a maximised Safari window. I have to turn cursor tracking off (VO+Shift+F3) to stop Safari crashing on the BBC ipLayer pages. After selecting the desired TV program you press Option+K to start the iPlayer (you sometimes have to press this twice), Option+Space to pause/play the program, Option+M to mute/unmute the sound, and Option+J to rewind to the start of the program. Note that Option+M only works if your screen resolution is at least 1200 piccells wide. The shortcuts move the mouse to the appropriate location and then do a left mouse click. WIth a bit more work it would be possible to extend the support to allow for fast forward and fast rewind, but this requires sighted help to describe what is happening on the screen. hop . re2wind.rewidreqindfoist do aapprorapropress wide YOu need to install FVoxkeys which you can download for free from http://blog.bryansmart.com/voxkeys-project/ Voxkeys in turn requires the pay for product Quickeys. You can download this from http://startly.com/products/quickeys/mac/4/ I think there is a 30 day free trial available. I use the free program RightZoom to maximise my Safari window. You can do this using the built -in Zoom options but I prefer RightZoom as I can then be confident that the Safari window really is maximised. If you want to proceed with this let me know when you have sorted out the above prereqs and I will send you the Quickeys shortcuts off list with instructions on how to install them. Hopefully the shortcuts will be integrated into the next release of Voxkeys. As an alternative to all this you might like to look at the free program iPlayer Downloader. This will download TV programs from the BBC iPlayer so that you can subsequently play them. You can select programs in the audio described category. Look at.... http://snapshotmedia.co.uk/projects/iplayer-downloader Good luck with it all.... Paul Hopewell From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 11:57:57 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 04:57:57 -0700 Subject: time machine question In-Reply-To: <4d8a80e6.47b2340a.5888.ffff9a15@mx.google.com> References: <4d8a80e6.47b2340a.5888.ffff9a15@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2038F2AA-31B9-4AFC-A8C1-6E5824D4F615@gmail.com> I don't thin it will but I could e wron. On 23/03/2011, at 16:23, Kevin Barry wrote: > I want to back up my system using time machine on an external drive. > My question is, as the drive has data saved on it already, not a previous time machine backup, will time machine leave that data alone? > Thanks. > Kevin > > > > > Kevin Barry > If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From sadamahmed1992 at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 12:53:32 2011 From: sadamahmed1992 at gmail.com (sadam ahmed) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 05:53:32 -0700 Subject: MAC o s x 10.7 lion Message-ID: HI all, just red in APPLE insider that in VoiceOver 4 they will be a bunch of new voices like some of the voices in the i pod/ i phone/ i pad family has this been confirmed? thanks and regards, SADAM. From kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com Thu Mar 24 13:01:28 2011 From: kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com (Kawal Gucukoglu) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:01:28 +0000 Subject: Editing in text edit and/or pages In-Reply-To: <0DB4896A-2016-49FA-81C1-C30E3320DA03@gmail.com> References: <002301cbe950$7f194890$7d4bd9b0$@com> <000b01cbe975$48260dd0$d8722970$@com> <166F3829-210C-462D-B7E3-F4341E171D76@sent.com> <0DB4896A-2016-49FA-81C1-C30E3320DA03@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks Colin. Sent From My I Phone On 24 Mar 2011, at 11:47 AM, Colin M wrote: > Hi Kawal! > To set a hotspot when at the place you wish to put it! > Press vo+shift+1 or 2 or 3 and so on! > So you can set a hotspot for each number up to 0! > To remove one press vo+shift+the number in question twice! > Vo will say hotspot removed! > When you've got the spot's set just use vo+the number in question to move from hot spot to spot! > hth Colin > Qapla! > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > > On 24 Mar 2011, at 10:48, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > >> Anne how do you make a hotspot? >> >> kawal. >> >> Sent From My I Phone >> >> On 23 Mar 2011, at 04:36 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: >> >>> Hello Matt, >>> >>> On 23 Mar 2011, at 17:13, Matt Diemert wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> So, let's say for example I want to edit something like >>>> March 22, 2011 and I'm on the second 2 of the 22, >>> Let me stop you there. You are Never "on" any character, you are between characters. So, if you have just made VO read 22 from left to right, you are after the second 2. >>> >>>> if I press back space, the >>>> character to the left meaning the first two would then be erased? >>> No. If you have just moved from left to right, the second 2 will be erased. >>> >>>> What if I >>>> press the forward delete key, would that then delete the comma? >>> Yes, that would indeed delete the comma. >>> >>>> One of the features in jaws that I've found no way to replace at this point >>>> is the ability to mark two places in order to highlight a large chunk of >>>> text. >>>> In my current job I'm often editing reports that I've written once and after >>>> subsequent visits, I update. So in the windows world, I could mark the >>>> first word say on page two go down half way through page 3 mark the end of >>>> this block, and then delete or cut the text out to enter the new text, now >>>> granted this was a new feature as of j12, but I keep falling back to my pc, >>>> as I just hate rewriting entire reports when there is a nice outline in >>>> front of me. >>>> How would one suggest going about this in pages or text edit? >>> Set a hotspot at the first position and another hotspot at the second. You can then select all the text in between by pressing VO-Return, jumping to the other hotspot using VO-hotspot number, then pressing VO-Return again to stop selecting. You can then copy, cut or delete the selected text. >>> >>>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Thu Mar 24 19:56:41 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 12:56:41 -0700 Subject: More iTunes Questions! Message-ID: If I have imported a CD into iTunes, or purchased an album from the iTunes store, is there a way to copy an entire CD at once so that I can play it on my VR Stream? I can find all of the songs I have imported or downloaded in one very long list, but I can't discover any way to copy them album by album, which I would think would be much faster! Also, when I first open iTunes, I VO-Right Arrow over to my music list, and I have discovered that I can down-arrow through the list of songs without using the VO keys, or without interacting with the table and can still hear the song titles spoken. However, using the shift key while I'm down-arrowing doesn't seem to select the items. If I do have to select things in a list rather than by whole CD or Album, how do I actually do so? Thanks in advance! Desi From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 20:01:06 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:01:06 -0700 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Celeste_=96_Bluetooth_file_transfer_between_iPh?= =?windows-1252?Q?one=2C_iPad_and_other_mobile_devices?= Message-ID: <4DF8E25F-D2D6-456B-9DB2-994BA95719AC@gmail.com> Sorry I don't have a link. actually I just got out of bed and am not fully awake so can't find the link and have to re download my shorting app so here ya go. Celeste ? Bluetooth file transfer between iPhone, iPad and other mobile devices News from DailyiPhoneBlog.com: Celeste brings the long-awaited missing feature to your iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch. Send and receive songs, photos, contacts, and more. Celeste works with any Bluetooth transfer-capable device, and integrates perfectly with your built-in iOS applications. Celeste is available for $9.99 via the ModMyi repo. [Via] Thx Pece From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 20:01:07 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:01:07 -0700 Subject: 10.6: Create new AppleScript document Service Message-ID: YOu can find the hint at the mac osx hints website. I don't have a link at the moment. 10.6: Create new AppleScript document Service I got tired of copy-pasting AppleScripts I found online into the AppleScript Editor, so I made a simple Automator Service to do it for me. Just launch Automator, choose new service (that receives text), add the Run AppleScript action and replace the script body with this: on run {input, parameters} tell application "AppleScript Editor" activate if contents of document 1 is "" then set contents of document 1 to (input as string) else make new document with properties {contents:(input as string)} end if end tell return input end run Save it as 'New AppleScript Document with selection' or whatever name you prefer. ... From motten53 at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 20:55:20 2011 From: motten53 at gmail.com (Mary Otten) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:55:20 -0700 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_Celeste_=96_Bluetooth_file_transfer_betwe?= =?windows-1252?Q?en_iPhone=2C_iPad_and_other_mobile_devices?= In-Reply-To: <4DF8E25F-D2D6-456B-9DB2-994BA95719AC@gmail.com> References: <4DF8E25F-D2D6-456B-9DB2-994BA95719AC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <294E3907-CC7B-4426-B9AE-95D56AF77947@gmail.com> It sounds like this is an app for jail broken devices; it isn't on the app store apparently. And what the heck is the modmyirepo? Looks like a bunch of typos in a row to the uninitiated. mary Mary Otten motten53 at gmail.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 21:02:02 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:02:02 -0700 Subject: Mac OS X Turns Ten Years Old Message-ID: Happy birthday osx! http://bit.ly/ff6S2e From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 21:06:01 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:06:01 +0100 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_Celeste_=96_Bluetooth_file_transfer_betwe?= =?windows-1252?Q?en_iPhone=2C_iPad_and_other_mobile_devices?= In-Reply-To: <294E3907-CC7B-4426-B9AE-95D56AF77947@gmail.com> References: <4DF8E25F-D2D6-456B-9DB2-994BA95719AC@gmail.com> <294E3907-CC7B-4426-B9AE-95D56AF77947@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I'd imagine that Modmyi is the "repo" the abbreviation for repository. It's a bit like a source, in that you enter its address into Cydia so it can retrieve applications on that repository. I know that Cydia already has several sources by default, though, so it might be one of them. I haven't touched jailbreaking personally, as I can't justify the need to be geeky on my iPhone when I can already do it on the Mac the things I need to do, and use my iPhone to do the same tasks when I'm on the move. Of course, I may just be talking a load of rubbish, but from reading into it months ago, that is what I recall. Rose seems to be the queen of Jailbreaking here, so I'm sure she can probably top post in my case. I'm hoping I'm not entirely off-track, though. :) Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Mar 24, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Mary Otten wrote: > It sounds like this is an app for jail broken devices; it isn't on the app store apparently. And what the heck is the modmyirepo? Looks like a bunch of typos in a row to the uninitiated. > > mary > > Mary Otten > motten53 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 21:53:46 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 14:53:46 -0700 Subject: Rejected By Apple, Radiation App Targets Jailbreakers Message-ID: <32F7028E-98B1-4C8B-A3CC-31C98AE7F498@gmail.com> What's apple up to? read on. http://bit.ly/foIrxy From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 22:23:55 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 23:23:55 +0100 Subject: Rejected By Apple, Radiation App Targets Jailbreakers In-Reply-To: <32F7028E-98B1-4C8B-A3CC-31C98AE7F498@gmail.com> References: <32F7028E-98B1-4C8B-A3CC-31C98AE7F498@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi! I'm top posting here. For those who cannot see the picture that displays the email, here is a transcript. :) From: Steve Jobs [mailto:sjobs at apple.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:24 AM To: Gil Friedlander Subject: Re: tawkon for iPhone No interest. Sent from my iPhone From: Gil Friedlander [mailto:gil at tawkon.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:19 PM To: sjobs at apple.com Subject: tawkon for iPhone Dear Steve Jobs. tawkon fwww.tawkon.com) is a start-up that has been working for the last 20 months on a patent pending mobile application allowing users to see the level of radiation they are exposed to from their mobile phone. Our message is balanced and encourages people to continue using their phones, responsibly. We are currently not approved for the App Store. Following very constructive dialogue with Phillip Shoemaker and his team we are hoping the required APIs will be added to the iPhone SDK. iPhone has low SAR and great hardware capabilities that we leverage in our application allowing users to continue to talk while minimizing their exposure to mobile phone radiation. We are all avid iPhone users and hope Apple will continue its leadership role, giving your users the choice to download this app :o their :phones. Please approve tawkon for iPhone. Sincerely Gil Friedlander Founder & CEO Tawkon Ltd. GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Mar 24, 2011, at 10:53 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > What's apple up to? > read on. > > http://bit.ly/foIrxy > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moopiecurran at gmail.com Thu Mar 24 23:14:32 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 19:14:32 -0400 Subject: Booting from a bootable drive with multiple partitions Message-ID: Hi, How can I boot from a drive with multiple partitions on it. How would I choose which partition to boot from? The reason I'm asking this is I backed up 3 macs to this drive using Super Duper, but I wanted to make sure the backup actually works. Courtney From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 00:51:32 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 17:51:32 -0700 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?iPad_2_multitasking_gestures_=96_Live_video_dem?= =?windows-1252?Q?o?= Message-ID: <35CD975A-163C-4785-AC17-8BE1DA929932@gmail.com> iPad 2 multitasking gestures ? Live video demo News from DailyiPhoneBlog.com: In this video, the guys at GSMArena demoes the Apple iPad 2 multitasking gestures. Head over to the next page to view the video demo. Enjoy! http://bit.ly/hjFNzc From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 03:37:12 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 20:37:12 -0700 Subject: The Apple Blog - Senate Going After Roadblock Apps is a First Amendment Issue Message-ID: <839ABAB8-581A-42D7-9167-4BE2B96A4401@gmail.com> and here is apple's side of the rode block to rode block apps. Sorry about the pun. I had to do it. http://bit.ly/he2qVG From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri Mar 25 04:48:32 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 23:48:32 -0500 Subject: Booting from a bootable drive with multiple partitions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You've actually got two options for this, one is accessible, and one isn't (though it does work) First, use the option in your system preferences to choose which disk you boot from, you can set it to any partition on your internal or external disks. The second option (which is the one most folks use) is to hold down the option key while the machine is booting, then use your right/left arrows to choose the partition you would like to boot from. Unfortunately, since vo is not loaded at this point, it doesn't offer voice feedback. However, if you know which partition you booted from last, and which ones are actually listed, this option isn't as inaccessible as it seems, because your partitions will always remain in the same order, as long as you don't add or remove any on the machine, and second, because each arrow key only moves a single right/ left at a time, and it doesn't wrap, so if you're on the last one, and press right arrow, it does nothing. This isn't as exact as using the system preferences to set your boot disk, but it does work, and it's not as error prone as it might seem at first look. Give them both a try, and see which one works best for you. From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 05:23:31 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:23:31 -0700 Subject: Booting from a bootable drive with multiple partitions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87C099C8-E650-4D84-BEA0-30E7FC54C878@gmail.com> Oh wow I didn't relie the thing didn't rap. I thoguht it did as I went left twice and got to my bootcamp drive or I could go right once andget to my windows 7 boot cd. or was it the other way around? Um? Now keep in miind that might have changed with snl. On Mar 24, 2011, at 9:48 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > You've actually got two options for this, one is accessible, and one isn't (though it does work) > First, use the option in your system preferences to choose which disk you boot from, you can set it to any partition on your internal or external disks. > The second option (which is the one most folks use) is to hold down the option key while the machine is booting, then use your right/left arrows to choose the partition you would like to boot from. Unfortunately, since vo is not loaded at this point, it doesn't offer voice feedback. However, if you know which partition you booted from last, and which ones are actually listed, this option isn't as inaccessible as it seems, because your partitions will always remain in the same order, as long as you don't add or remove any on the machine, and second, because each arrow key only moves a single right/left at a time, and it doesn't wrap, so if you're on the last one, and press right arrow, it does nothing. > This isn't as exact as using the system preferences to set your boot disk, but it does work, and it's not as error prone as it might seem at first look. Give them both a try, and see which one works best for you. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 05:24:56 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:24:56 -0700 Subject: Rejected By Apple, Radiation App Targets Jailbreakers In-Reply-To: References: <32F7028E-98B1-4C8B-A3CC-31C98AE7F498@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5A1D23B5-672E-4ED2-973E-742B790BE421@gmail.com> Oops? didn't know that there was a pic. sorry about that all. Thanks. On Mar 24, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > I'm top posting here. > > For those who cannot see the picture that displays the email, here is a transcript. :) > > From: Steve Jobs [mailto:sjobs at apple.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 9:24 AM To: Gil Friedlander Subject: Re: tawkon for iPhone > No interest. > Sent from my iPhone > From: Gil Friedlander [mailto:gil at tawkon.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 4:19 PM To: sjobs at apple.com Subject: tawkon for iPhone > Dear Steve Jobs. > tawkon fwww.tawkon.com) is a start-up that has been working for the last 20 months on a patent pending mobile application allowing users to see the level of radiation they are exposed to from their mobile phone. Our message is balanced and encourages people to continue using their phones, responsibly. > We are currently not approved for the App Store. Following very constructive dialogue with Phillip Shoemaker and his team we are hoping the required APIs will be added to the iPhone SDK. > iPhone has low SAR and great hardware capabilities that we leverage in our application allowing users to continue to talk while minimizing their exposure to mobile phone radiation. > We are all avid iPhone users and hope Apple will continue its leadership role, giving your users the choice to download this app :o their :phones. > Please approve tawkon for iPhone. > Sincerely > Gil Friedlander > Founder & CEO Tawkon Ltd. > > > GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com > Facebook > Twitter > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk > Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 > AIM: cincinster > > On Mar 24, 2011, at 10:53 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> What's apple up to? >> read on. >> >> http://bit.ly/foIrxy >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 05:42:53 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:42:53 -0700 Subject: The Next 10 Years of Mac OS Will Look Nothing Like the Last Message-ID: What will we expect over the next 10 years? read more to find out. http://bit.ly/ih05Wc From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 07:22:57 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 07:22:57 +0000 Subject: voxkeys iplayer Message-ID: hi all did Brian Smart mention shortcuts were available for bbc iplayer in voxkeys? If so how can I get these at at the moment I can't make use of the Iplayer on my imac From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 09:43:46 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:43:46 +0000 Subject: VO-friendly way to install Flash In-Reply-To: <9BF4CF56-2056-48DA-8541-DAB1894A3F00@gmail.com> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217991@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <7EC9201D-F328-4D26-B460-8E8D923FDF87@charter.net> <9BF4CF56-2056-48DA-8541-DAB1894A3F00@gmail.com> Message-ID: i installed flash myself from adobe but can't get iplayer to start anything On 23 Mar 2011, at 02:31, Sarah Alawami wrote: > OH really? I've been extracting from the app file or folder the pkg file to run and that is your standard installer. > On Mar 22, 2011, at 7:03 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > >> The installer is a bit nonstandard, but it's useable, you can't use the navigation keys, just use the tab key and press space to check the box about agreeing to the license, then tab to continue, when it's done, tab to close, and press the space bar to select it. >> On Mar 22, 2011, at 3:08 PM, Sunil Peck wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm keen to install Flash so I can stream content from the BBC iPlayer. >>> >>> But I only get part way through the installation process and can't carry on which, I think, is because there's a button I'm not picking up with VO+right arrow. >>> >>> I get to a point where 'image' is announced but my VO+space does nothing. Is there a command someone could tell me to make it work? Or is the only way to install Falsh with some sighted help. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Sunil >>> >>> Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by >>> guarantee (number 520866). >>> Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. >>> Our VAT number is 805156939. >>> >>> >>> Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk >>> >>> This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential >>> and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been >>> addressed by the sender. This message may contain confidential and/or >>> privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this >>> message, or if you believe it was transmitted to you in error, you are >>> required to delete the message and any copies of it, and to notify the >>> sender immediately. Any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution, >>> or printing of this message or accompanying files, or unauthorised use >>> of any information contained therein, by anyone other than the >>> intended recipient(s) is prohibited and may be unlawful. >>> >>> Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with >>> it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the >>> views of Scope. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Fri Mar 25 10:29:24 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:29:24 +0000 Subject: voxkeys iplayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0E788E8E-6AC3-4843-AFF0-6A1D257907EE@hopewell.org.uk> Hi William, I wrote the Voxkeys shortcuts for the BBC ipLayer and submitted them to Brian Smart for inclusion in a future release of Voxkeys. If you like I can Email you the shortcuts off-list, but not until next week. Paul Hopewell On 25 Mar 2011, at 07:22, william lomas wrote: > hi all did Brian Smart mention shortcuts were available for bbc iplayer in voxkeys? > If so how can I get these at at the moment I can't make use of the Iplayer on my imac > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 10:47:11 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:47:11 +0000 Subject: voxkeys iplayer In-Reply-To: <0E788E8E-6AC3-4843-AFF0-6A1D257907EE@hopewell.org.uk> References: <0E788E8E-6AC3-4843-AFF0-6A1D257907EE@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: ah shame as wanted to use them now to watch a panorama show last night, smile On 25 Mar 2011, at 10:29, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hi William, > I wrote the Voxkeys shortcuts for the BBC ipLayer and submitted them to Brian Smart for inclusion in a future release of Voxkeys. If you like I can Email you the shortcuts off-list, but not until next week. > > Paul Hopewell > On 25 Mar 2011, at 07:22, william lomas wrote: > >> hi all did Brian Smart mention shortcuts were available for bbc iplayer in voxkeys? >> If so how can I get these at at the moment I can't make use of the Iplayer on my imac >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From cjsims at me.com Fri Mar 25 10:54:00 2011 From: cjsims at me.com (Christopher Sims) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:54:00 +1100 Subject: new 10.6.7 update? Message-ID: <820371D3-5361-42A7-8C76-C8D5EB95CE9E@me.com> Hi to all on list. Anyone had any bad experiences with the latest software update to OSX? Thanks. Christopher Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 phone M:0418558275 skype: cjsims3000 From sandratomkins at googlemail.com Fri Mar 25 11:24:11 2011 From: sandratomkins at googlemail.com (Sandy Tomkins) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:24:11 +0000 Subject: The Next 10 Years of Mac OS Will Look Nothing Like the Last In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sarah, Thanks for posting this! It is the very thing I have been waiting to hear! I had a brief and unhappy love affair with the Mac OS and vowed I wouldn't go back there until things changed. Well, if some of the ease of use of IOS becomes part of Lion, I shall certainly try again! i know there are plenty of people both here and on other lists that love the Mac OS, but for me there are just too many complicated and unintuitive keystrokes and even if using a trackpad, the UI is still, IMHO, clanky and difficult. So, this is welcome news to me. Sandy. Sent from my iPhone On 25 Mar 2011, at 05:42, Sarah Alawami wrote: > What will we expect over the next 10 years? read more to find out. > > http://bit.ly/ih05Wc > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From billd at insightbb.com Fri Mar 25 11:39:08 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 07:39:08 -0400 Subject: fire fox for the mac Message-ID: <4185324C-575A-4994-99F3-7E32B0AB55D5@insightbb.com> Hello, I was wondering if there is a version of firefox for the Mac? I thought I read something about it. if so has anyone tried it and how well did it work. is it as good as safari? Thanks in advance. Bill Deatherage From opensesame at me.com Fri Mar 25 12:19:49 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 08:19:49 -0400 Subject: fire fox for the mac In-Reply-To: <4185324C-575A-4994-99F3-7E32B0AB55D5@insightbb.com> References: <4185324C-575A-4994-99F3-7E32B0AB55D5@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <4BD35AD6-3848-4CE5-9676-D48343C751F9@me.com> Hello Bill, You wrote: > I was wondering if there is a version of firefox for the Mac? I thought I read something about it. if so has anyone tried it and how well did it work. is it as good as safari? While there is a version of Firefox for OSX, it is not very VO friendly. Firefox version 4 was just released this week and is still largely inaccessible with VO. I posted a question to the Mozilla Accessibility Quality Assurance Lead, whose name is Marco, and his response is pasted below. He essentially says what Mozilla has been saying for several years -- That VO accessibility is on their radar but is not yet ready for prime-time. Begin thread: Bryan says: March 24, 2011 at 1:18 am Hello Marco, I?m a Mac User and am wondering if there are any plans to make Firefox work with VoiceOver. I?ve installed Firefox 4 and it still appears to be largely incompatible with VoiceOver running under OSX 10.6. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Bryan Marco says: March 24, 2011 at 8:47 am Bryan, yes, VoiceOver support is definitely on our radar still, however lack of resources in the past have made it impossible for us to work on it in the Firefox 4 timeframe. However, the work we did for over-all performance improvements has improved the situation with VoiceOver too, as I recently tried myself. However, there are still kinks to work out and bugs to fix that prevent a good user experience. That is why accessibility for Mac OS X is still not enabled yet for Firefox 4. From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Fri Mar 25 12:35:49 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:35:49 +0000 Subject: voxkeys iplayer In-Reply-To: References: <0E788E8E-6AC3-4843-AFF0-6A1D257907EE@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <6390C250-E847-4676-AD60-9F2BDD23B1DE@hopewell.org.uk> HI WIlliam, Try downloading the free app "iPlayer Downloader". Look it up on Google. It will download TV programs from the BBC iPlayer and when done you can play the program. It does not need flash or anything complicated so should work for your Panorama program. Good luck. Paul On 25 Mar 2011, at 10:47, william lomas wrote: > ah shame as wanted to use them now to watch a panorama show last night, smile > > On 25 Mar 2011, at 10:29, Paul Hopewell wrote: > >> Hi William, >> I wrote the Voxkeys shortcuts for the BBC ipLayer and submitted them to Brian Smart for inclusion in a future release of Voxkeys. If you like I can Email you the shortcuts off-list, but not until next week. >> >> Paul Hopewell >> On 25 Mar 2011, at 07:22, william lomas wrote: >> >>> hi all did Brian Smart mention shortcuts were available for bbc iplayer in voxkeys? >>> If so how can I get these at at the moment I can't make use of the Iplayer on my imac >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 12:52:00 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:52:00 +0000 Subject: fire fox for the mac In-Reply-To: <4BD35AD6-3848-4CE5-9676-D48343C751F9@me.com> References: <4185324C-575A-4994-99F3-7E32B0AB55D5@insightbb.com> <4BD35AD6-3848-4CE5-9676-D48343C751F9@me.com> Message-ID: taking them way to long they just stalling it bad On 25 Mar 2011, at 12:19, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hello Bill, > > You wrote: >> I was wondering if there is a version of firefox for the Mac? I thought I read something about it. if so has anyone tried it and how well did it work. is it as good as safari? > > While there is a version of Firefox for OSX, it is not very VO friendly. Firefox version 4 was just released this week and is still largely inaccessible with VO. I posted a question to the Mozilla Accessibility Quality Assurance Lead, whose name is Marco, and his response is pasted below. He essentially says what Mozilla has been saying for several years -- That VO accessibility is on their radar but is not yet ready for prime-time. > > Begin thread: > Bryan says: > March 24, 2011 at 1:18 am > Hello Marco, > I?m a Mac User and am wondering if there are any plans to make Firefox work with VoiceOver. I?ve installed Firefox 4 and it still appears to be largely incompatible with VoiceOver running under OSX 10.6. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. > Cheers, > Bryan > > Marco says: > March 24, 2011 at 8:47 am > Bryan, yes, VoiceOver support is definitely on our radar still, however lack of resources in the past have made it impossible for us to work on it in the Firefox 4 timeframe. However, the work we did for over-all performance improvements has improved the situation with VoiceOver too, as I recently tried myself. However, there are still kinks to work out and bugs to fix that prevent a good user experience. That is why accessibility for Mac OS X is still not enabled yet for Firefox 4. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.london26 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 12:57:52 2011 From: james.london26 at gmail.com (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:57:52 +0000 Subject: fire fox for the mac In-Reply-To: References: <4185324C-575A-4994-99F3-7E32B0AB55D5@insightbb.com> <4BD35AD6-3848-4CE5-9676-D48343C751F9@me.com> Message-ID: <2A395BD4-7ECD-41BD-A706-F26A028DE02B@gmail.com> That's a bit unfair Will. It must take a great deal of time to program anything - particularly something that is cross platform. And beside, I have heard that Apple have refused to give Mozilla their Accessibility APIs ? so Mozilla has to be made accessible by hand, although I could be wrong about this. I'm sure others on the list who are programmers will provide us with more information if necessary.. TC :) James On 25 Mar 2011, at 12:52, william lomas wrote: > taking them way to long they just stalling it bad > > On 25 Mar 2011, at 12:19, Bryan Jones wrote: > >> Hello Bill, >> >> You wrote: >>> I was wondering if there is a version of firefox for the Mac? I thought I read something about it. if so has anyone tried it and how well did it work. is it as good as safari? >> >> While there is a version of Firefox for OSX, it is not very VO friendly. Firefox version 4 was just released this week and is still largely inaccessible with VO. I posted a question to the Mozilla Accessibility Quality Assurance Lead, whose name is Marco, and his response is pasted below. He essentially says what Mozilla has been saying for several years -- That VO accessibility is on their radar but is not yet ready for prime-time. >> >> Begin thread: >> Bryan says: >> March 24, 2011 at 1:18 am >> Hello Marco, >> I?m a Mac User and am wondering if there are any plans to make Firefox work with VoiceOver. I?ve installed Firefox 4 and it still appears to be largely incompatible with VoiceOver running under OSX 10.6. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. >> Cheers, >> Bryan >> >> Marco says: >> March 24, 2011 at 8:47 am >> Bryan, yes, VoiceOver support is definitely on our radar still, however lack of resources in the past have made it impossible for us to work on it in the Firefox 4 timeframe. However, the work we did for over-all performance improvements has improved the situation with VoiceOver too, as I recently tried myself. However, there are still kinks to work out and bugs to fix that prevent a good user experience. That is why accessibility for Mac OS X is still not enabled yet for Firefox 4. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mcdiemert at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 13:08:32 2011 From: mcdiemert at gmail.com (matt diemert) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:08:32 -0400 Subject: Using the m.facebook.com site Message-ID: Good morning all, I'm currently working with the m.facebook.com site. However, when I click on the comment button to comment on a post, vo just says safari ready, safari busy, and it continues to cycle through this behavior for a while. Any thoughts on what I could be doing wrong here. I've tried to click the link using the 5 key on my num pad commander, as well as vo space. Thanks for any help. Warm Regards: Matt Diemert 330-980-0046 From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 16:18:06 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 12:18:06 -0400 Subject: Using the m.facebook.com site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Turn vo off and then on again with command-f5. On Mar 25, 2011, at 9:08 AM, matt diemert wrote: > Good morning all, > I'm currently working with the m.facebook.com site. However, when I click on the comment button to comment on a post, vo just says safari ready, safari busy, and it continues to cycle through this behavior for a while. Any thoughts on what I could be doing wrong here. I've tried to click the link using the 5 key on my num pad commander, as well as vo space. > Thanks for any help. > > Warm Regards: > Matt Diemert > 330-980-0046 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 16:34:03 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:34:03 -0700 Subject: Speed up by disabling Screen Sharing Message-ID: <06C3872A-B86C-49CF-9942-78B99C1989BD@gmail.com> Speed up by disabling Screen Sharing I am trying to squeeze some more speed out of my Mac, as it is necessary for me to also use a Windows emulator on it. I have tried to clean up things, and I noticed that when I turned off the three following launchd processess, with the free utility Lingon, at least it appeared to run marginally faster. ? Start Lingon (google Lingon downloads). ? Find the processes listed below in the lowest three groups in Lingon's sidebar. ? Select, Disable, Save, and Confirm with your Administrator password for each of them. com.apple.RFBEventHelper com.apple.RFBRegisterMDNS_ScreenSharing.server com.apple.RFBRegisterMDNS_RemoteManagement.server Then http://bit.ly/g23NVl From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 16:36:47 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:36:47 -0700 Subject: Using the m.facebook.com site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It's nothing you are doing wrong. VB mobile is not easy to use with vo. Let me phrase that again that. VO does some odd things because they changed some stuff with fb mobile. I've contacted them with issues and they of corse or not that much of a help. Take care. On Mar 25, 2011, at 6:08 AM, matt diemert wrote: > Good morning all, > I'm currently working with the m.facebook.com site. However, when I click on the comment button to comment on a post, vo just says safari ready, safari busy, and it continues to cycle through this behavior for a while. Any thoughts on what I could be doing wrong here. I've tried to click the link using the 5 key on my num pad commander, as well as vo space. > Thanks for any help. > > Warm Regards: > Matt Diemert > 330-980-0046 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 16:37:43 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:37:43 -0700 Subject: fire fox for the mac In-Reply-To: References: <4185324C-575A-4994-99F3-7E32B0AB55D5@insightbb.com> <4BD35AD6-3848-4CE5-9676-D48343C751F9@me.com> Message-ID: <46419477-7EE3-4D9D-B289-00A067A0C403@gmail.com> I don't see access in firefox at all. I read that as "no we won't do it because we don't care" it's sad to. On Mar 25, 2011, at 5:52 AM, william lomas wrote: > taking them way to long they just stalling it bad > > On 25 Mar 2011, at 12:19, Bryan Jones wrote: > >> Hello Bill, >> >> You wrote: >>> I was wondering if there is a version of firefox for the Mac? I thought I read something about it. if so has anyone tried it and how well did it work. is it as good as safari? >> >> While there is a version of Firefox for OSX, it is not very VO friendly. Firefox version 4 was just released this week and is still largely inaccessible with VO. I posted a question to the Mozilla Accessibility Quality Assurance Lead, whose name is Marco, and his response is pasted below. He essentially says what Mozilla has been saying for several years -- That VO accessibility is on their radar but is not yet ready for prime-time. >> >> Begin thread: >> Bryan says: >> March 24, 2011 at 1:18 am >> Hello Marco, >> I?m a Mac User and am wondering if there are any plans to make Firefox work with VoiceOver. I?ve installed Firefox 4 and it still appears to be largely incompatible with VoiceOver running under OSX 10.6. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. >> Cheers, >> Bryan >> >> Marco says: >> March 24, 2011 at 8:47 am >> Bryan, yes, VoiceOver support is definitely on our radar still, however lack of resources in the past have made it impossible for us to work on it in the Firefox 4 timeframe. However, the work we did for over-all performance improvements has improved the situation with VoiceOver too, as I recently tried myself. However, there are still kinks to work out and bugs to fix that prevent a good user experience. That is why accessibility for Mac OS X is still not enabled yet for Firefox 4. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 16:38:31 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:38:31 -0700 Subject: fire fox for the mac In-Reply-To: <2A395BD4-7ECD-41BD-A706-F26A028DE02B@gmail.com> References: <4185324C-575A-4994-99F3-7E32B0AB55D5@insightbb.com> <4BD35AD6-3848-4CE5-9676-D48343C751F9@me.com> <2A395BD4-7ECD-41BD-A706-F26A028DE02B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3AAAD388-2341-44EC-A693-953BE11AB022@gmail.com> that's what I hear to but I thought that apple made its info accessible via there support website? On Mar 25, 2011, at 5:57 AM, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > That's a bit unfair Will. It must take a great deal of time to program anything - particularly something that is cross platform. And beside, I have heard that Apple have refused to give Mozilla their Accessibility APIs ? so Mozilla has to be made accessible by hand, although I could be wrong about this. I'm sure others on the list who are programmers will provide us with more information if necessary.. > > TC :) > James > On 25 Mar 2011, at 12:52, william lomas wrote: > >> taking them way to long they just stalling it bad >> >> On 25 Mar 2011, at 12:19, Bryan Jones wrote: >> >>> Hello Bill, >>> >>> You wrote: >>>> I was wondering if there is a version of firefox for the Mac? I thought I read something about it. if so has anyone tried it and how well did it work. is it as good as safari? >>> >>> While there is a version of Firefox for OSX, it is not very VO friendly. Firefox version 4 was just released this week and is still largely inaccessible with VO. I posted a question to the Mozilla Accessibility Quality Assurance Lead, whose name is Marco, and his response is pasted below. He essentially says what Mozilla has been saying for several years -- That VO accessibility is on their radar but is not yet ready for prime-time. >>> >>> Begin thread: >>> Bryan says: >>> March 24, 2011 at 1:18 am >>> Hello Marco, >>> I?m a Mac User and am wondering if there are any plans to make Firefox work with VoiceOver. I?ve installed Firefox 4 and it still appears to be largely incompatible with VoiceOver running under OSX 10.6. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. >>> Cheers, >>> Bryan >>> >>> Marco says: >>> March 24, 2011 at 8:47 am >>> Bryan, yes, VoiceOver support is definitely on our radar still, however lack of resources in the past have made it impossible for us to work on it in the Firefox 4 timeframe. However, the work we did for over-all performance improvements has improved the situation with VoiceOver too, as I recently tried myself. However, there are still kinks to work out and bugs to fix that prevent a good user experience. That is why accessibility for Mac OS X is still not enabled yet for Firefox 4. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Mar 25 16:42:21 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:42:21 -0000 Subject: Using the m.facebook.com site In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003501cbeb0b$9f906880$deb13980$@dcu.ie> Sarah, Glad you contacted them, but sad you got the same response as I did. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: 25 March 2011 16:37 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Using the m.facebook.com site It's nothing you are doing wrong. VB mobile is not easy to use with vo. Let me phrase that again that. VO does some odd things because they changed some stuff with fb mobile. I've contacted them with issues and they of corse or not that much of a help. Take care. On Mar 25, 2011, at 6:08 AM, matt diemert wrote: > Good morning all, > I'm currently working with the m.facebook.com site. However, when I click on the comment button to comment on a post, vo just says safari ready, safari busy, and it continues to cycle through this behavior for a while. Any thoughts on what I could be doing wrong here. I've tried to click the link using the 5 key on my num pad commander, as well as vo space. > Thanks for any help. > > Warm Regards: > Matt Diemert > 330-980-0046 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 16:39:38 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:39:38 -0700 Subject: The Next 10 Years of Mac OS Will Look Nothing Like the Last In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9CA054C2-B010-45BB-80C2-BD0DBF5CCCF2@gmail.com> Not for me. I hate IOS. Ok I have an iphone but I don't want to use a touch screen and gesture to accomplish what I can faster with the keyboard. Take care. On Mar 25, 2011, at 4:24 AM, Sandy Tomkins wrote: > Hi Sarah, > > Thanks for posting this! It is the very thing I have been waiting to hear! I had a brief and unhappy love affair with the Mac OS and vowed I wouldn't go back there until things changed. Well, if some of the ease of use of IOS becomes part of Lion, I shall certainly try again! i know there are plenty of people both here and on other lists that love the Mac OS, but for me there are just too many complicated and unintuitive keystrokes and even if using a trackpad, the UI is still, IMHO, clanky and difficult. So, this is welcome news to me. > Sandy. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 25 Mar 2011, at 05:42, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> What will we expect over the next 10 years? read more to find out. >> >> http://bit.ly/ih05Wc >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 16:40:39 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:40:39 -0700 Subject: new 10.6.7 update? In-Reply-To: <820371D3-5361-42A7-8C76-C8D5EB95CE9E@me.com> References: <820371D3-5361-42A7-8C76-C8D5EB95CE9E@me.com> Message-ID: No, but the vo hangs have been getting worse. I've been keeping an update using the diag messages. On Mar 25, 2011, at 3:54 AM, Christopher Sims wrote: > Hi to all on list. Anyone had any bad experiences with the latest software update to OSX? Thanks. > Christopher Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 phone M:0418558275 skype: cjsims3000 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Mar 25 16:45:00 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 16:45:00 -0000 Subject: The Next 10 Years of Mac OS Will Look Nothing Like the Last In-Reply-To: <9CA054C2-B010-45BB-80C2-BD0DBF5CCCF2@gmail.com> References: <9CA054C2-B010-45BB-80C2-BD0DBF5CCCF2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003801cbeb0b$fe3ba340$fab2e9c0$@dcu.ie> Interesting can of worms there Sarah! Sorry mods if I'm taking this off topic, but I'm playing with an Android phone at the minute. Hmm, all I can say is that at present Apple is ahead, but I think Android can offer more possibilities for blind users in the future. I'll leave it there. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: 25 March 2011 16:40 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: The Next 10 Years of Mac OS Will Look Nothing Like the Last Not for me. I hate IOS. Ok I have an iphone but I don't want to use a touch screen and gesture to accomplish what I can faster with the keyboard. Take care. On Mar 25, 2011, at 4:24 AM, Sandy Tomkins wrote: > Hi Sarah, > > Thanks for posting this! It is the very thing I have been waiting to hear! I had a brief and unhappy love affair with the Mac OS and vowed I wouldn't go back there until things changed. Well, if some of the ease of use of IOS becomes part of Lion, I shall certainly try again! i know there are plenty of people both here and on other lists that love the Mac OS, but for me there are just too many complicated and unintuitive keystrokes and even if using a trackpad, the UI is still, IMHO, clanky and difficult. So, this is welcome news to me. > Sandy. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 25 Mar 2011, at 05:42, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> What will we expect over the next 10 years? read more to find out. >> >> http://bit.ly/ih05Wc >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 16:48:39 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 09:48:39 -0700 Subject: mail saying row 8 expanded Message-ID: Hello. My mail is saying row 8 expanded when I'm in the folders list. I can't think of what could have caused this. It also does this when I'm not in the application. I don't want to close the folders list and bring it up every time I want to read messages. it didn't do it before my osx reinstall. I'm drawing a blank here. TIA. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From mcdiemert at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 17:14:48 2011 From: mcdiemert at gmail.com (matt diemert) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:14:48 -0400 Subject: Microsoft RDC Message-ID: <3951437F-5ED9-464E-B7BA-2ACA850B0123@gmail.com> Ok, I promise this will be my last question of the week. SOrry for so many. On the apple site under accessible applications, microsoft RDC2 is mentioned as a accessible application. Has anyone had any success with this application. I was able to log in to my windows pc, but at that point, voice over went quiet. Thanks for any help you may be able to give. Warm Regards: Matt Diemert 330-980-0046 From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 17:37:06 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 10:37:06 -0700 Subject: mail saying row 8 expanded Message-ID: Hello. My mail is saying row 8 expanded when I'm in the folders list. I can't think of what could have caused this. It also does this when I'm not in the application. I don't want to close the folders list and bring it up every time I want to read messages. it didn't do it before my osx reinstall. I'm drawing a blank here. TIA. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri Mar 25 18:01:15 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:01:15 -0500 Subject: Speed up by disabling Screen Sharing In-Reply-To: <06C3872A-B86C-49CF-9942-78B99C1989BD@gmail.com> References: <06C3872A-B86C-49CF-9942-78B99C1989BD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <42C806F3-A3BF-4489-96F9-D691E3427C85@softcon.com> It's always a good idea to disable services you're not using on your machine, because there's always the risk of security holes in any program, and any services you don't use are more likely to be broken in to and not be noticed than those you use regularly. This is one reason I go through all startup apps on windows, removing all stuff I don't use. Same thing on osx, check your preferences in system prefs, and make sure that things you're not using (file sharing, web servers, screen sharing and the like) are all unchecked if you aren't using them. This will cut down on the points of entry for any hackers attempting to gain access to your machine. From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri Mar 25 18:10:19 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:10:19 -0500 Subject: fire fox for the mac In-Reply-To: <2A395BD4-7ECD-41BD-A706-F26A028DE02B@gmail.com> References: <4185324C-575A-4994-99F3-7E32B0AB55D5@insightbb.com> <4BD35AD6-3848-4CE5-9676-D48343C751F9@me.com> <2A395BD4-7ECD-41BD-A706-F26A028DE02B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <39589BF6-DC3D-432D-8E4D-D702C83A374B@softcon.com> On Mar 25, 2011, at 7:57 AM, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > That's a bit unfair Will. It must take a great deal of time to > program anything - particularly something that is cross platform. > And beside, I have heard that Apple have refused to give Mozilla > their Accessibility APIs ? so Mozilla has to be made accessible by > hand, although I could be wrong about this. This is false. Apple produces it's human interface guidelines for all to see and use. It's not apple's fault when a developer doesn't follow these guidelines, then complains that their interface doesn't work. I've seen posts on the apple developer boards specifically stating that firefox uses 100 percent costum elements in their graphical screens. This practice is strongly discouraged by apple for several reasons, not the least of which is compatibility, and accessibility issues. I've also seen posts where a member of the firefox team asked for help with something, and got it right away, even though they haven't followed the good programming practices apple urges all developers to follow. So, I sincerely doubt apple has withheld anything from the firefox folks, it's more a case of the firefox folks either not following programming guidelines, or not implementing proper workarounds for their custom interface elements. You can blame some things on apple's lack of information on private apis, but this isn't one of them. From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 18:25:55 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:25:55 -0700 Subject: Apple Releases iOS 4.3.1 Message-ID: <6DFDC3A0-6653-4E87-BAB9-C160E096C7C9@gmail.com> Apple Releases iOS 4.3.1 Apple has just released iOS 4.3.1, bringing several minor fixes and improvements to Apple's operating system for mobile devices. http://bit.ly/fwg7sH From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Mar 25 18:33:09 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:33:09 -0000 Subject: fire fox for the mac In-Reply-To: <39589BF6-DC3D-432D-8E4D-D702C83A374B@softcon.com> References: <4185324C-575A-4994-99F3-7E32B0AB55D5@insightbb.com> <4BD35AD6-3848-4CE5-9676-D48343C751F9@me.com> <2A395BD4-7ECD-41BD-A706-F26A028DE02B@gmail.com> <39589BF6-DC3D-432D-8E4D-D702C83A374B@softcon.com> Message-ID: <004a01cbeb1b$19e39260$4daab720$@dcu.ie> Spot on Travis. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel Sent: 25 March 2011 18:10 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: fire fox for the mac On Mar 25, 2011, at 7:57 AM, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > That's a bit unfair Will. It must take a great deal of time to > program anything - particularly something that is cross platform. > And beside, I have heard that Apple have refused to give Mozilla > their Accessibility APIs ? so Mozilla has to be made accessible by > hand, although I could be wrong about this. This is false. Apple produces it's human interface guidelines for all to see and use. It's not apple's fault when a developer doesn't follow these guidelines, then complains that their interface doesn't work. I've seen posts on the apple developer boards specifically stating that firefox uses 100 percent costum elements in their graphical screens. This practice is strongly discouraged by apple for several reasons, not the least of which is compatibility, and accessibility issues. I've also seen posts where a member of the firefox team asked for help with something, and got it right away, even though they haven't followed the good programming practices apple urges all developers to follow. So, I sincerely doubt apple has withheld anything from the firefox folks, it's more a case of the firefox folks either not following programming guidelines, or not implementing proper workarounds for their custom interface elements. You can blame some things on apple's lack of information on private apis, but this isn't one of them. _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 18:30:46 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:30:46 -0700 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Controversy=3A_There=92s_an_App_for_That?= Message-ID: <8BE8C2C7-8FAD-4767-B430-E086F19BB0EB@gmail.com> This is an interesting thought provoking article or blurb if you will. Controversy: There?s an App for That Recently the App Store has been in the news quite a bit for some controversial apps it accepted, and it seems a route savvy marketers can now use to skip traditional media and go straight for big exposure. Forget newspapers and TV; the best way to get the word out is via the App Store, and the controversy Apple creates when it accepts or rejects an app. But is it good for Apple? Apple?s acceptance of an app giving information about the ?ex-gay? movement caused one heck of a stir. People were talking about it everywhere, and petitions were flying left and right. Regardless of your stance on the issue of the app?s acceptance or content, the app?s developers walk away winners. In order to post a negative review, Apple requires someone to download (?purchase?) the app even if it?s free. Detractors (and some supporters) rushed to buy a product solely for the fact they didn?t like it. So the app garnered not only tons of press, but sales during its brief existence, too. Similarly, an app that helps the user find speed traps and DWI checkpoints has inspired law enforcement and even U.S. lawmakers to debate the issue. Until Congress got involved, I had no interest in the app, but I sure downloaded it after all the chatter. I?m predicting the infamous Fred Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church will soon submit an app and publicly display their rejection by Apple, too. The amazing thing about these apps is that they are merely app-packaged versions of information the developers already had on their websites. Both the ?ex-gay? and speed trap websites most likely struggled to get users and publicity prior to releasing apps. For the relatively low price of a developer kit, some programming, now everyone is talking about them. The small business owner in me gives them a huge thumbs up for getting their message out in a cost effective way. Heck, when Apple pulled the ?ex-gay? app recently and when (I predict) they pull the speed trap app, we?ll talk about both all the more. More of the developers? message getting out, more hits to the website, and more supporters among the many detractors. Ironically if Apple rejected these apps outright, they?d get nearly as much publicity. When Apple rejected (excuse me, ?did not approve?) the Google Voice app, more people started asking what Google Voice was. When Apple rejected a political cartoonist, I wanted to see what he was drawing. All this chatter is great for Apple. All of a sudden many iPhone owners wanted to know how to download these apps to either try them out or speak out against them. That likely means more of those registered credit card numbers Steve spoke about in his keynote and more users of the App Store in general. More eyeballs in the App Store is good for developers. Talk about no losers in the app economy! Apple loves being the center of attention, and the app approval process is a big part of its ability to maintain that focus. These fringe apps keep people talking about Apple and its product. We simply don?t hear this chatter on the Android platform. Android generally accepts everything so it?s much more difficult to get the word out, positive or negative. With something as controversial as ?curing? homosexuality, did Apple not think people would complain? Sure, but in order to post their complaints in a place where it would be most visible to the app?s intended audience, users had to log in and buy the very app they derided. As a lightning rod for controversy, the App Store is also a terrific PR machine. It may not be the most above-board way to draw attention to your cause or product, but it is effective, and will likely remain so until (if ever) Apple establishes some hard-and-fast rules for its App Store approval process. And that?s not something it?s likely to do any time soon if people keep clicking, downloading and purchasing. Related content from GigaOM Pro (subscription req?d): ? How to Market Your iPhone App: A Developer?s Guide ? NewNet Went Social with Partnerships Galore in Q4 ? Virtual Worlds: Trends and Opportunities From jekis at fastmail.us Fri Mar 25 18:34:20 2011 From: jekis at fastmail.us (Justin Ekis) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 11:34:20 -0700 Subject: fire fox for the mac In-Reply-To: <39589BF6-DC3D-432D-8E4D-D702C83A374B@softcon.com> References: <4185324C-575A-4994-99F3-7E32B0AB55D5@insightbb.com> <4BD35AD6-3848-4CE5-9676-D48343C751F9@me.com> <2A395BD4-7ECD-41BD-A706-F26A028DE02B@gmail.com> <39589BF6-DC3D-432D-8E4D-D702C83A374B@softcon.com> Message-ID: I have two older blog posts, both from developers that work specifically on firefox accessibility, that may shed some light on the situation. Though they are a few years old, they still provide good background. Here is a blog post describing the state of things as of september 2009. http://www.marcozehe.de/2009/09/22/the-current-state-of-accessible-firefox-on-the-mac-your-help-is-appreciated/ And here is a post from August 2008 explaining the problems that they had. http://accessgarage.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/firefox-and-os-xs-voiceover-reading-the-magic-8-ball/ Hope someone else finds these informative and interesting. On Mar 25, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: On Mar 25, 2011, at 7:57 AM, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > That's a bit unfair Will. It must take a great deal of time to program anything - particularly something that is cross platform. And beside, I have heard that Apple have refused to give Mozilla their Accessibility APIs ? so Mozilla has to be made accessible by hand, although I could be wrong about this. This is false. Apple produces it's human interface guidelines for all to see and use. It's not apple's fault when a developer doesn't follow these guidelines, then complains that their interface doesn't work. I've seen posts on the apple developer boards specifically stating that firefox uses 100 percent costum elements in their graphical screens. This practice is strongly discouraged by apple for several reasons, not the least of which is compatibility, and accessibility issues. I've also seen posts where a member of the firefox team asked for help with something, and got it right away, even though they haven't followed the good programming practices apple urges all developers to follow. So, I sincerely doubt apple has withheld anything from the firefox folks, it's more a case of the firefox folks either not following programming guidelines, or not implementing proper workarounds for their custom interface elements. You can blame some things on apple's lack of information on private apis, but this isn't one of them. _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 20:25:34 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:25:34 -0700 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Apple_Charting_New_Future_for_iOS_Maps_=97_With?= =?windows-1252?Q?out_Google=3F?= Message-ID: Apple Charting New Future for iOS Maps ? Without Google? A new job posting went up at Apple, suggesting the company is continuing to move towards its own mobile map plans, separate from Google. According to the posting, an iOS Maps Application Developer in Cupertino would help ?radically improve how people interact with maps and location-based services.? User interface design is a must, as well as a ?passion? for location-based technologies. Certainly, there?s room for improvement in the current Maps app, which has seen relatively few outward updates since introduced with the original iPhone back in 2007. Despite being powered by Google Maps, iOS Maps does not compare well with the latest on Android. Missing features including turn-by-turn directions, 3D maps, topography, offline maps, and information about places. While Apple is clearly behind Google in map app development, it wouldn?t be totally accurate to say the company has been ignoring map services. In 2009, Apple acquired PlaceBase, a mapping data service provider, and in 2010 it also purchased another mapping company, Poly9. In both instances, employees as well as software went to Apple. Also last year, Apple made a major internal change to the Maps program. Starting with iOS 3.2 on the iPad, and with iOS 4 on all devices, Apple began using its own databases instead of those belonging to Skyhook Wireless and Google for location information. With an iOS 5 preview expected next month, we may not have to wait long to find out if Apple plans on taking over full control of the iOS map app this year. Rumors of MobileMe development suggests new location-based services like Find My Friends are in store. It?s not hard to imagine maps of friends and recommended places overlaid as layers on the built-in Apple Maps app and dynamically updated. Social networking features, combined with more map services, would be a welcome update in iOS 5, and one that would gain Apple some ground over the competition. Of course, there?s also risk in replacing the current Maps software, too. Google has spent years continuously improving mobile map software, and a less-than-impressive Apple Maps 1.0 could actually hurt the iOS platform (especially if it lacks wow-factor features like Google?s Street View). The problem is that waiting until iOS 6 next year would only see Google increase its market share, while Apple?s own version of Maps continues to languish. From a consumer?s perspective, the best solution probably be for Apple Maps to coexist alongside the current Google-powered Maps, like iBooks and Kindle for e-readers. However, that would mean a continued dependence on Google for a critical part of the iOS platform, and that would be very un-Apple indeed. http://bit.ly/e3VPwD From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 20:25:35 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 13:25:35 -0700 Subject: Judge Rules in Apple's Favor in Patent Lawsuit Filed by Nokia Message-ID: <0018AE95-8753-4FE2-A0BB-8D80B9AB923B@gmail.com> Judge Rules in Apple's Favor in Patent Lawsuit Filed by Nokia Reuters reports that the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC) has issued a decision in the patent dispute between Apple and Nokia, http://bit.ly/houarn From andre.nuno.soares at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 22:17:56 2011 From: andre.nuno.soares at gmail.com (Andre Nuno Soares) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 22:17:56 +0000 Subject: Microsoft RDC In-Reply-To: <3951437F-5ED9-464E-B7BA-2ACA850B0123@gmail.com> References: <3951437F-5ED9-464E-B7BA-2ACA850B0123@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello matt, VO doesn't work inside the RDC session because the Mac only gets images of the remote desktop. That's how you can connect from a non-Windows machine (Mac, Linux, etc) to a Windows machine. To have a screen reader in a remote desktop session you have to run it on the Windows machine you are connecting to and the screen reader has to support it. I think JFW has support for this, but I've never used it. HTH, Andr? On Mar 25, 2011, at 5:14 PM, matt diemert wrote: > Ok, I promise this will be my last question of the week. SOrry for so many. > On the apple site under accessible applications, microsoft RDC2 is mentioned as a accessible application. Has anyone had any success with this application. I was able to log in to my windows pc, but at that point, voice over went quiet. > Thanks for any help you may be able to give. > > Warm Regards: > Matt Diemert > 330-980-0046 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mcdiemert at gmail.com Fri Mar 25 22:22:19 2011 From: mcdiemert at gmail.com (matt diemert) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 18:22:19 -0400 Subject: Microsoft RDC In-Reply-To: References: <3951437F-5ED9-464E-B7BA-2ACA850B0123@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D52C464-4F6E-486D-B5DC-D9FA77582361@gmail.com> Makes since, as when I connectd, I could hear the jfw speech through my mac's speaker. I'll play around with it further and see what I get. Thanks for your help. Warm Regards: Matt Diemert 330-980-0046 On Mar 25, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Andre Nuno Soares wrote: > Hello matt, > > VO doesn't work inside the RDC session because the Mac only gets images of the remote desktop. > That's how you can connect from a non-Windows machine (Mac, Linux, etc) to a Windows machine. > > To have a screen reader in a remote desktop session you have to run it on the Windows machine you are connecting to and the screen reader has to support it. I think JFW has support for this, but I've never used it. > > > HTH, > Andr? > > On Mar 25, 2011, at 5:14 PM, matt diemert wrote: > >> Ok, I promise this will be my last question of the week. SOrry for so many. >> On the apple site under accessible applications, microsoft RDC2 is mentioned as a accessible application. Has anyone had any success with this application. I was able to log in to my windows pc, but at that point, voice over went quiet. >> Thanks for any help you may be able to give. >> >> Warm Regards: >> Matt Diemert >> 330-980-0046 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 01:07:54 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:07:54 -0400 Subject: PDF Pen, accessible? Message-ID: <4d8d3c5e.c95f340a.53e5.1b25@mx.google.com> Does anyone know if PDF Pen is accessible? thanks. kevin Kevin Barry If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. From orin8722 at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 01:55:44 2011 From: orin8722 at gmail.com (Orin) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:55:44 -0400 Subject: Anyone use StoryMill? Message-ID: <975A2994-50F5-4B2F-871A-EEA2C5294093@gmail.com> Hey all, Just curious if anyone uses StoryMill here? I was curious with VoiceOver on scenes, how to create them and how to add them to a chapter. Thanks. Orin orin8722 at gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 From moopiecurran at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 02:01:56 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 22:01:56 -0400 Subject: Anyone use StoryMill? In-Reply-To: <975A2994-50F5-4B2F-871A-EEA2C5294093@gmail.com> References: <975A2994-50F5-4B2F-871A-EEA2C5294093@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, What is story mill? Courtney On Mar 25, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Orin wrote: > Hey all, > > Just curious if anyone uses StoryMill here? I was curious with VoiceOver on scenes, how to create them and how to add them to a chapter. > > Thanks. > > > Orin > orin8722 at gmail.com > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks > Skype: orin1112 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From orin8722 at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 02:10:59 2011 From: orin8722 at gmail.com (Orin) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 22:10:59 -0400 Subject: Anyone use StoryMill? In-Reply-To: References: <975A2994-50F5-4B2F-871A-EEA2C5294093@gmail.com> Message-ID: Basically helps you create a novel easier, helps keep track of word count and things and it also has places for character notes, location notes, and you can create scenes which combines into chapters, and chapters with scenes inside them combine into a novel, and you can arrange the scenes around any way you want within a chapter, remove the scene entirely or move the scene to a new chapter where you think it fits. You can then export your novel in a huge document with all chapters; I think in this new version you can split your novel up chapter by chapter and a document is created for it, which I'll probably do, or I think you can even export scenes. Think it'll export to Doc, TXT, not sure about PDF, but as soon as I figure out this scene thing I'll buy it and hopefully start writing. I like the progress meter, where you can set how many words you want your novel to be alltogether and the progress will slowly go up to 100% as you write. Not sure if you can set the progress meter to only do chapter progress, scene progress or the novel entirely, but nevertheless this program is better for novels/essay's than a Word Processor. Orin orin8722 at gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 On Mar 25, 2011, at 10:01 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > What is story mill? > Courtney > On Mar 25, 2011, at 9:55 PM, Orin wrote: > >> Hey all, >> >> Just curious if anyone uses StoryMill here? I was curious with VoiceOver on scenes, how to create them and how to add them to a chapter. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> Orin >> orin8722 at gmail.com >> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks >> Skype: orin1112 >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Sat Mar 26 02:22:10 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:22:10 -0500 Subject: PDF Pen, accessible? In-Reply-To: <4d8d3c5e.c95f340a.53e5.1b25@mx.google.com> References: <4d8d3c5e.c95f340a.53e5.1b25@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <73CAAFE2-73D5-425F-A915-49414BBE1249@softcon.com> On Mar 25, 2011, at 8:07 PM, Kevin Barry wrote: > Does anyone know if PDF Pen > is accessible? I tried this app a few months ago, and it most definitely was not accessible. I really need to build a pdf editor that is accessible, but I haven't gotten that far just yet. :) Maybe I'll manage that sometime, I sure hope so, since I sure could use such a program myself. From tsiegel at softcon.com Sat Mar 26 02:23:41 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2011 21:23:41 -0500 Subject: Anyone use StoryMill? In-Reply-To: References: <975A2994-50F5-4B2F-871A-EEA2C5294093@gmail.com> Message-ID: <36055888-1922-4E99-8A62-54FEC806495E@softcon.com> Didn't try story mill, but there's a similar application called idea knot, and that is accessible, I have it here, and it works like a treat. From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Sat Mar 26 04:11:25 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:11:25 +1100 Subject: People are still Carbon Copying! In-Reply-To: <0EFCA1AF-2444-487B-9373-971591E32C9B@mac-access.net> References: <0EFCA1AF-2444-487B-9373-971591E32C9B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: did i do somthing wrong scared sad crying smiley On 17/03/2011, at 7:17 AM, Gordon & Lynne Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Despite our repeated requests, despite the fact that there is specific stipulation in list policy, people are still carbon copying messages to this list intended for other groups. > > So be it! It's time for us now to start removing people who persistently ignore our requests just to have their proverbial voices heard all over the planet. > > Be advices, therefore, that the next person to do this without justifiable reason will be removed from the group without notice. > > We are sorry that things have reached this point. But it seems that we are left with little option. > > We are aware that the new-comers to the group won't have seen these requests; so we will exercise discretion. But those who have seen them are up for deletion. > > If anybody wishes to discuss this with us off list, they may do so on . Again we regret that this must happen. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From khwicca at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 04:37:20 2011 From: khwicca at gmail.com (Kristeen Hughes) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 00:37:20 -0400 Subject: Problems with an Application Message-ID: <4E17F6D8-2F40-4FDE-8D7C-83BBF602FFCE@gmail.com> I was watching TV with my Eyetv app, which has been working wonderfully. I exited the program, as I often do, and now, when I go into it again, I get the set-up assistant. It's as if I've never used the program and it wants my activation key, etc. I don't want to go through the set-up process again if I don't have to. Does anyone know why this may have happened, and how I can get my working state of the application back again? Thanks. Kristeen From cjsims at me.com Sat Mar 26 04:39:39 2011 From: cjsims at me.com (Christopher Sims) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:39:39 +1100 Subject: new 10.6.7 update? In-Reply-To: References: <820371D3-5361-42A7-8C76-C8D5EB95CE9E@me.com> Message-ID: <42376227-6F33-4221-BB0B-AD5278D45459@me.com> When is it proon to hang like what you say? How do you realize that it has occurred? Christopher Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 phone M:0418558275 skype: cjsims3000 On 26/03/2011, at 3:40 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > No, but the vo hangs have been getting worse. I've been keeping an update using the diag messages. From cjsims at me.com Sat Mar 26 04:50:15 2011 From: cjsims at me.com (Christopher Sims) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:50:15 +1100 Subject: The Next 10 Years of Mac OS Will Look Nothing Like the Last In-Reply-To: <9CA054C2-B010-45BB-80C2-BD0DBF5CCCF2@gmail.com> References: <9CA054C2-B010-45BB-80C2-BD0DBF5CCCF2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <63F4EB8F-0EF4-4CB7-ACED-9B7CDB9BA21B@me.com> Christopher Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 phone M:0418558275 skype: cjsims3000 Hi Sara. I think that when reading such articles, one needs to keep in mind, that there not written from an accerssibility stand point. I think that we as a community will be plesantly surprized in terms of what Apple does when it comes to our needs. Voiceover , etc. From cjsims at me.com Sat Mar 26 04:59:06 2011 From: cjsims at me.com (Christopher Sims) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 15:59:06 +1100 Subject: Apple Releases iOS 4.3.1 In-Reply-To: <6DFDC3A0-6653-4E87-BAB9-C160E096C7C9@gmail.com> References: <6DFDC3A0-6653-4E87-BAB9-C160E096C7C9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C3472B8-F947-4A6A-A310-670E306DA07F@me.com> Thanks for posting this. Christopher Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 phone M:0418558275 skype: cjsims3000 On 26/03/2011, at 5:25 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Apple Releases iOS 4.3.1 > > > Apple has just released iOS 4.3.1, bringing several minor fixes and improvements to Apple's operating system for mobile devices. > > http://bit.ly/fwg7sH > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Sat Mar 26 05:05:54 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 05:05:54 +0000 Subject: Anyone use StoryMill? In-Reply-To: References: <975A2994-50F5-4B2F-871A-EEA2C5294093@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sounds good may have to take a look at this my self. From support at mac-access.net Sat Mar 26 10:08:33 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 10:08:33 +0000 Subject: Delayed; New Member Welcome Message-ID: Hello everybody I apologise for the delayed response here; Gordon and I have been unexpectedly and unavoidably indisposed since Thursday. Please do not reply to this thread on list unless your reply has a direct relevance to their Mac use or interest. It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome Mark Furness to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. 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For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From mfurness at bell.net Sat Mar 26 12:12:45 2011 From: mfurness at bell.net (Mark Furness) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 08:12:45 -0400 Subject: spell check Message-ID: As a new Mac user, spell checking is a mistery! Pages or ted\xt edit informs me a word is misspelled but it eludes me where or how to pick the correct spelling! Step by step help will be greatly appreciated!!! Mark From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 12:32:11 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 13:32:11 +0100 Subject: spell check In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1A439FB4-FA2D-403B-A3D1-0115D1C55F0C@gmail.com> Hello Mark, You can change this option in the VoiceOver Utility under the "Verbosity>Text" tab. Move right until you find "When I encounter a misspelled word." The pop up button allows you to set options like "Do nothing," "Speak attributes" and "Play tone." To use spellchecking, you can use Command-semicolon to quickly place the cursor on a misspelled item. This can be an instance of incorrect grammar, if you have this set, or it can simply be a word. Using COmmand-Colon invokes a "Spelling and grammar" dialog which places you in the field containing the misspelled word or grammar issue. You can hit VoiceOver-COmmand-T to jump directly to the table displaying suggestions, and you can then arrow down to review them. Hitting enter on any suggestion replaces the misspelled item with the item you have selected in the table. TO spell a suggestion, you can interact with the table, then use VO-W-W to spell the word that has focus. Incidentally, you can also ignore words, which will ignore the word through the entire document in case it is actually spelled correctly, such as a name or city. You may also "Learn" the misspelled item, which enters that item into your personal dictionary. You can also "define" a word if you do not know what it means, or if you are not sure if it is a word at all if no suggestions are found. This will open up the Dictionary application and search through all dictionaries online. In this "Spelling and grammar" dialog, you can also select various languages to use, rather than the language selected for your operating system. "Guess" will essentially just do what that dialog is doing. You can also skip back and forth between words with the "Find next" button, although my personal method is to use Command-Semicolon to find the misspelled words if I am reviewing an email, document, web form, etc. This allows me to use Command-Colon to invoke the "Spelling and grammar" dialog again to search rom my current cursor location to review suggestions. I hope this was helpful. Please write back if there is something that confuses you. :) Regards, Nic GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Mar 26, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Mark Furness wrote: > As a new Mac user, spell checking is a mistery! Pages or ted\xt edit informs me a word is misspelled but it eludes me where or how to pick the correct spelling! > > Step by step help will be greatly appreciated!!! > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Mar 26 12:37:50 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 12:37:50 +0000 Subject: Selecting a block of text from a website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Anne On 24 Mar 2011, at 08:38, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Gordon, Well not quite; but I think he'll see this in due course. ? Websites vary enormously, as you know, and on some, you can only select a certain amount of text at a time using either the shift key or VO-REturn. A lot of people have been complaining about this so I thought I'd better work something out. That is very very true, and don't get him wrong; Gordon wasn't complaining or in any way trying to undermine your efforts. We always appreciate innovative messages like that one. We just haven't encountered a situation where this became a problem; but that said we don't often need to copy text from websites. Thank you Anne; and I will be in touch off list shortly. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Mar 26 13:05:09 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 13:05:09 +0000 Subject: new 10.6.7 update? In-Reply-To: <820371D3-5361-42A7-8C76-C8D5EB95CE9E@me.com> References: <820371D3-5361-42A7-8C76-C8D5EB95CE9E@me.com> Message-ID: <52ACF359-2653-4A64-BB86-77A065C912D7@mac-access.net> Hello Chris On 25 Mar 2011, at 10:54, Christopher Sims wrote: ? Anyone had any bad experiences with the latest software update to OSX? Thanks. We had an issue updating one of our servers using the server version of OSX. But the other servers (of which there are now 6), went fine. Maybe an opportune moment for me to tell the group that there are now 6 OSX servers clustered in order to give this list yet more processing power. We are currently undertaking a major network investment in the infrastructure, in conjunction with Gordon's employer. It won't make a terrific amount of difference to the group, save to add more stability. But overall we wanted you to know that we do take the running of this group very seriously and we try our best to make things run smoothly. Gordon has been unavailable for the last 2 days to do further work on this, because of ongoing health problems. But as and when possible we will get the full power of those servers implemented. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Mar 26 13:16:24 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 13:16:24 +0000 Subject: PDF Pen, accessible? In-Reply-To: <4d8d3c5e.c95f340a.53e5.1b25@mx.google.com> References: <4d8d3c5e.c95f340a.53e5.1b25@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <647A0B0B-DF98-42ED-9A5C-78539DF18A65@mac-access.net> Hello Kevin On 26 Mar 2011, at 01:07, Kevin Barry wrote: Does anyone know if PDF Pen is accessible? No, it's not, unfortunately. I use it here for my work. But it does not work with VoiceOver. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Mar 26 13:18:30 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 13:18:30 +0000 Subject: People are still Carbon Copying! In-Reply-To: References: <0EFCA1AF-2444-487B-9373-971591E32C9B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Krystal No, you didn't. This didn't apply to you. Lynne On 26 Mar 2011, at 04:11, krystal watson wrote: did i do somthing wrong scared sad crying smiley From lavendar at bell.net Sat Mar 26 17:53:54 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 13:53:54 -0400 Subject: question about networking two macs at home In-Reply-To: <60FC1347-0472-41CC-A47A-24F67E5F6FCA@softcon.com> References: <60FC1347-0472-41CC-A47A-24F67E5F6FCA@softcon.com> Message-ID: Travis, Thanks!! As you can see from my lagging response, I'm *seriously, majorly* behind in mail, being buried in school stuff, but wanted to thank you for this! We were looking under the network button in system prefs, not sharing, that was the first place we went wrong and why it was so confusing! This doesn't look too bad, really. I've already configured my side of things, so we'll se how it goes from here. thanks a bunch! Cait On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > You sure can. We've had as many as 5 macs, and 2 pcs all talking to one another on our local network. You aren't limited by either os to talk to one another, you're only limited by how much you can configure each machine to do. > In system preferences, you need only turn on local sharing, check the services you want to share (web, files, desktops and the like) then on windows, just setup file shares, assign your machines static ips (just to make things easier) and you're all set. > Of course, you can attach one mac to another anytime, just by pressing command-l in finder, and typing afp://ip.of.other.mac and login as normal, and you're off and running. > But if you don't wish to do this, then just configure the shares, then it will all show up in network under the main computer option in finder (command-shift-c) > It's all rather simple once you get the hang of it. But then again, isn't everything? > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lavendar at bell.net Sat Mar 26 18:13:50 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:13:50 -0400 Subject: essential macbook software In-Reply-To: <7A1C04D7-B2CA-49A2-A5C1-53C8C8721618@softcon.com> References: <000001cbe7ea$911a1400$b34e3c00$@plus.com> <7A1C04D7-B2CA-49A2-A5C1-53C8C8721618@softcon.com> Message-ID: Does vlc do .ogg files? And can you use your existing i tunes libraries with that? thanks, Cait On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > Can't answer that until you get your machine and find out what you want to do with it. > You may want vlc (http://www.videoland.org) for alternate formats, of course you'll use safari for browsing, mail for mail, finder for disk exploring, and itunes/quick time for audio files. > There's a dvd player that comes with osx, but you may want to try softcon dvd player located at: > http://www.softcon.com/mac/ > because it gives a bit better access to dvds than the apple supplied player does, I.E. selecting sound tracks on the movie and such. > Otherwise, I'd say just wait until you need something to accomplish a particular task, then go hunt down something to handle it. > Text edit works very well if your word processing needs are minimal, though it won't do for term papers or college reports or something similar. Otherwise, you will be just fine using text edit. > There's a version of text edit on the softcon site that gives word/line/word counts (which the text edit shipping with osx does not) so you may want to grab that too, but again, try the apps with the os, and when you need something extra, a google search will usually turn up a nice alternative for you. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat Mar 26 18:20:56 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:20:56 +0000 Subject: essential macbook software In-Reply-To: References: <000001cbe7ea$911a1400$b34e3c00$@plus.com> <7A1C04D7-B2CA-49A2-A5C1-53C8C8721618@softcon.com> Message-ID: <2FE206DA-D570-42FC-B126-4018D4544727@mac-access.net> Yes, VLC does play .ogg files. There is also a plugin for ITunes to play .ogg files, which you can find at: http://www.opensourcemac.org TC :) James On 26 Mar 2011, at 18:13, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Does vlc do .ogg files? And can you use your existing i tunes libraries with that? > > thanks, > Cait > > On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > >> Can't answer that until you get your machine and find out what you want to do with it. >> You may want vlc (http://www.videoland.org) for alternate formats, of course you'll use safari for browsing, mail for mail, finder for disk exploring, and itunes/quick time for audio files. >> There's a dvd player that comes with osx, but you may want to try softcon dvd player located at: >> http://www.softcon.com/mac/ >> because it gives a bit better access to dvds than the apple supplied player does, I.E. selecting sound tracks on the movie and such. >> Otherwise, I'd say just wait until you need something to accomplish a particular task, then go hunt down something to handle it. >> Text edit works very well if your word processing needs are minimal, though it won't do for term papers or college reports or something similar. Otherwise, you will be just fine using text edit. >> There's a version of text edit on the softcon site that gives word/line/word counts (which the text edit shipping with osx does not) so you may want to grab that too, but again, try the apps with the os, and when you need something extra, a google search will usually turn up a nice alternative for you. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 18:42:21 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 11:42:21 -0700 Subject: essential macbook software In-Reply-To: <2FE206DA-D570-42FC-B126-4018D4544727@mac-access.net> References: <000001cbe7ea$911a1400$b34e3c00$@plus.com> <7A1C04D7-B2CA-49A2-A5C1-53C8C8721618@softcon.com> <2FE206DA-D570-42FC-B126-4018D4544727@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <3F5B68BD-8D9E-4BDC-8FAF-95E5C449F128@gmail.com> OH really? last I checked that site was down and that was a year ago but I'll look again. Thanks. On Mar 26, 2011, at 11:20 AM, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > Yes, VLC does play .ogg files. There is also a plugin for ITunes to play .ogg files, which you can find at: http://www.opensourcemac.org > > TC :) > James > On 26 Mar 2011, at 18:13, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > >> Does vlc do .ogg files? And can you use your existing i tunes libraries with that? >> >> thanks, >> Cait >> >> On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: >> >>> Can't answer that until you get your machine and find out what you want to do with it. >>> You may want vlc (http://www.videoland.org) for alternate formats, of course you'll use safari for browsing, mail for mail, finder for disk exploring, and itunes/quick time for audio files. >>> There's a dvd player that comes with osx, but you may want to try softcon dvd player located at: >>> http://www.softcon.com/mac/ >>> because it gives a bit better access to dvds than the apple supplied player does, I.E. selecting sound tracks on the movie and such. >>> Otherwise, I'd say just wait until you need something to accomplish a particular task, then go hunt down something to handle it. >>> Text edit works very well if your word processing needs are minimal, though it won't do for term papers or college reports or something similar. Otherwise, you will be just fine using text edit. >>> There's a version of text edit on the softcon site that gives word/line/word counts (which the text edit shipping with osx does not) so you may want to grab that too, but again, try the apps with the os, and when you need something extra, a google search will usually turn up a nice alternative for you. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat Mar 26 19:07:39 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 19:07:39 +0000 Subject: Any Way to Move a Mailbox? Message-ID: <1B85B97B-21EC-46FF-865F-9DFE39C495F0@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Owing to a significant inconvenience and no less an irritation related to synchronisation, we've found ourselves in a situation where we've had to import a number of mailboxes from one instance of Apple Mail into another. Naturally, all of those mailboxes ended up under another mailbox folder flagged as "Imported". So here's my question; is there any way to move a mailbox from one place to another so that we can re-arrange the mailboxes and their contents to suit our needs and requirements? If not, is it a case of moving all of the messages manually? Thank you. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Mar 26 21:17:49 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 14:17:49 -0700 Subject: Any Way to Move a Mailbox? In-Reply-To: <1B85B97B-21EC-46FF-865F-9DFE39C495F0@mac-access.net> References: <1B85B97B-21EC-46FF-865F-9DFE39C495F0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: YOu can drag and drop but I would just recreate the mail boxes and import all the messages manually via a copy and paste in case things go wrong lol! On Mar 26, 2011, at 12:07 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Owing to a significant inconvenience and no less an irritation related to synchronisation, we've found ourselves in a situation where we've had to import a number of mailboxes from one instance of Apple Mail into another. Naturally, all of those mailboxes ended up under another mailbox folder flagged as "Imported". So here's my question; is there any way to move a mailbox from one place to another so that we can re-arrange the mailboxes and their contents to suit our needs and requirements? If not, is it a case of moving all of the messages manually? > > Thank you. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From billd at insightbb.com Sat Mar 26 21:53:59 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 17:53:59 -0400 Subject: fire fox for the mac In-Reply-To: <4BD35AD6-3848-4CE5-9676-D48343C751F9@me.com> References: <4185324C-575A-4994-99F3-7E32B0AB55D5@insightbb.com> <4BD35AD6-3848-4CE5-9676-D48343C751F9@me.com> Message-ID: Hay bryan, thanks for the information. I will stick with what works. Bill Deatherage From lavendar at bell.net Sat Mar 26 22:06:44 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:06:44 -0400 Subject: preview pane in mail question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is sort of confusing, since it looks like I have two horizontal splitters in my mail. I also don't have a physical mouse here. I do have a magic track pad, though. I tried what you said, going to the first horizontal splitter, doing the vo f5 on that, then tapping on the track pad with vo track pad commander turned off. It didn't seem to do anything. The other question about this is, why do I want to turn this off, and what are the consequences of turning it off? Will I lose vo j? Thanks, Cait On Mar 21, 2011, at 4:39 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > You can turn off the preview pain. that's the first thing I do when setting up someone's email account, or mine for that matter. > > 1. go to the horizontal splitter before the preview pain and vo cmd f5 on it. > > 2. Now double click it with your physical mouse and it should be gone. > > 3. you will know it's gone when you have that splitter all the way to the right. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Is there any reason to not use vo j for reading messages in mail? What would happen if you turned off the preview pane, or can you even do this? >> >> Thanks, >> Cait >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lavendar at bell.net Sat Mar 26 22:15:48 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:15:48 -0400 Subject: preview pane in mail question In-Reply-To: <93E93481-6B4C-4DFE-82F1-E6FDD6B6C678@anarchie.org.uk> References: <93E93481-6B4C-4DFE-82F1-E6FDD6B6C678@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: Thanks Ann, That does help explain things a bit. Can you still use vo j to read them as well... or just return to open? It really doesn't mater, just curious. I think I want to turn mine off, but don't have a physical mouse, just the magic track pad. How do you accomplish it with that? TIA, Cait On Mar 21, 2011, at 5:06 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Caitlyn, > > When you have the preview pane in Mail, as soon as you land on a message, it's marked as read. If you get rid of the preview pane as explained by Sarah, you can decide whether to open a particular message or not. > > I'm with Sarah on this one, I always get rid of the Preview pane. You can then read messages simply by pressing Return to open them, and either Delete to delete them or CMd-W to close them. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 21 Mar 2011, at 21:34, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Is there any reason to not use vo j for reading messages in mail? What would happen if you turned off the preview pane, or can you even do this? >> >> Thanks, >> Cait >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lavendar at bell.net Sat Mar 26 22:20:25 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:20:25 -0400 Subject: preview pane in mail question In-Reply-To: <6C941925-1687-416B-8363-D509AF7526B2@mac.com> References: <6C941925-1687-416B-8363-D509AF7526B2@mac.com> Message-ID: Thanks Esther, Your explainations are great. Interesting you mentioned the memory thing.. I turn my mac off every couple of days at night, just to give it a break-lol! I also think it's beter and makes it run better, but that might be a hold over from my pc days or something. I know there are different camps on this line of thought. I can go pretty fast with the vo j thing, but it sounds like most people here turn the preview pane off, or am I wrong on this? Thanks, Cait On Mar 21, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Cait, > > Sarah explained how to turn off the preview pane, but not why you might want to do it. By default, the window for mail displays the message for the currently selected post in the messages table below the horizontal splitter. If you navigate through the messages table, posts that are displayed in the preview pane this way are marked "read", because they're visible to the user. If the preview pane is hidden, so that the horizontal splitter is dropped to the bottom of the mail window (meaning that all the window space is allocated to the messages table and none to viewing the currently selected message), then posts are still marked unread as you navigate through the messages table. This also means that the VO-J command doesn't work any longer, because it jumps between related items in the same window, and there's no longer any area for the message to be displayed in the mail window. Instead, when you are at the message you choose to read, you must press the return key to l > aunch a new window in which the post is displayed, and close the window with Command-W when you are done. > > As I write this, I wonder whether the people who are finding that VoiceOver disappears with mail (Mike Busboom's thread last week; Mark's report that this happens every time he uses mail, Eric's report that this seems related to memory leaks) aren't finding the problems aggravated by this setting. Launching multiple windows and closing them probably is less efficient on releasing memory if you keep your system up for long periods of time (e.g., weeks or months) without a reboot. I know that most laptop users tend to "sleep" their machines. Certainly, mailing list reading has exploded in recent months on this list and other related ones. Hmmm. This shouldn't be a large effect, but maybe small inefficiencies are being magnified here. Anyway, I'll spend more time thinking about this. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Mar 21, 2011, at 10:39, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> You can turn off the preview pain. that's the first thing I do when setting up someone's email account, or mine for that matter. >> >> 1. go to the horizontal splitter before the preview pain and vo cmd f5 on it. >> >> 2. Now double click it with your physical mouse and it should be gone. >> >> 3. you will know it's gone when you have that splitter all the way to the right. >> >> Take care. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Is there any reason to not use vo j for reading messages in mail? What would happen if you turned off the preview pane, or can you even do this? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Cait >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lavendar at bell.net Sat Mar 26 22:58:46 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 18:58:46 -0400 Subject: short cut keys for mac, was In-Reply-To: References: <5E01EE90-9952-4AA5-B385-C02201F37B23@anarchie.org.uk> <38726A25-5FDF-4473-B10F-C5EA376BA213@anarchie.org.uk> <161AAD4A-65AB-4254-A9C5-7C2142E066C1@gmail.com> <0E7EF00F-DAFF-4BAC-922D-030B3CD18FDA@softcon.com> <277E1C18-22AE-4230-98F6-31C57EBA4A3F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Esther, Thanks again! This list is so wonderful! I've bookmarked both sites. Cait On Mar 21, 2011, at 6:48 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Cait and Others, > > Here's a link to Apple's current Knowledge Base web page listing Mac OS X Keyboard Shortcuts: > http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1343 > As Anne recommended, a good way to find the most frequently used shortcuts for applications is to look through the menu bar menus. The most commonly used commands will have keyboard shortcuts. > > Another site that I like for information about VoiceOver is Tim Kilburn's site: > http://web.me.com/kilburns/voiceover > > You can try the link to shortcuts on that web page. The thing that I like is that Tim groups commands together for common functions, and also comments on what can be useful in different contexts. The problem with straight lists of commands is that not all commands are equally useful, and you need to get some feeling for the subset that you actually want to work with on a daily basis. One comment on those pages: there are some great summaries about the way that applications are laid out and tips and tricks for using them. However, Tim was away from this effort for about a year and a half before returning to updating those pages at the end of last year. In my spot checks he's done a great job with updating the descriptions for Safari and iTunes, etc. but there may still be places where older descriptions are in effect. And a few of the links for other helpful resources don't work (there used to be a VoiceOver compatibility list of software that Greg Kearney maintained a > long time ago). Some of those entries were incorporated into Apple's list of VoiceOver compatible third-party software: > http://www.apple.com/accessibility/voiceover/applications.html > That list is also a couple of years old. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com Sat Mar 26 23:57:34 2011 From: kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com (Kawal Gucukoglu) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 23:57:34 +0000 Subject: preview pane in mail question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <191CF9E3-E05A-4015-B8C1-61304F4E61B4@sent.com> I have tried countless times removing the splitter using my Mac Book Pro but it doesn't work. Kawal. On 26 Mar 2011, at 22:06, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > This is sort of confusing, since it looks like I have two horizontal splitters in my mail. I also don't have a physical mouse here. I do have a magic track pad, though. I tried what you said, going to the first horizontal splitter, doing the vo f5 on that, then tapping on the track pad with vo track pad commander turned off. It didn't seem to do anything. > > The other question about this is, why do I want to turn this off, and what are the consequences of turning it off? Will I lose vo j? > > Thanks, > Cait > > On Mar 21, 2011, at 4:39 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> You can turn off the preview pain. that's the first thing I do when setting up someone's email account, or mine for that matter. >> >> 1. go to the horizontal splitter before the preview pain and vo cmd f5 on it. >> >> 2. Now double click it with your physical mouse and it should be gone. >> >> 3. you will know it's gone when you have that splitter all the way to the right. >> >> Take care. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Is there any reason to not use vo j for reading messages in mail? What would happen if you turned off the preview pane, or can you even do this? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Cait >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ____ Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 From kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com Sat Mar 26 23:59:06 2011 From: kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com (Kawal Gucukoglu) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 23:59:06 +0000 Subject: preview pane in mail question In-Reply-To: References: <6C941925-1687-416B-8363-D509AF7526B2@mac.com> Message-ID: I read all my messages in gthreaded view so when you open the messages, they read automatically so no vo J. Kawal. On 26 Mar 2011, at 22:20, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Thanks Esther, > > Your explainations are great. Interesting you mentioned the memory thing.. I turn my mac off every couple of days at night, just to give it a break-lol! I also think it's beter and makes it run better, but that might be a hold over from my pc days or something. I know there are different camps on this line of thought. > > I can go pretty fast with the vo j thing, but it sounds like most people here turn the preview pane off, or am I wrong on this? > > Thanks, > Cait > > On Mar 21, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Cait, >> >> Sarah explained how to turn off the preview pane, but not why you might want to do it. By default, the window for mail displays the message for the currently selected post in the messages table below the horizontal splitter. If you navigate through the messages table, posts that are displayed in the preview pane this way are marked "read", because they're visible to the user. If the preview pane is hidden, so that the horizontal splitter is dropped to the bottom of the mail window (meaning that all the window space is allocated to the messages table and none to viewing the currently selected message), then posts are still marked unread as you navigate through the messages table. This also means that the VO-J command doesn't work any longer, because it jumps between related items in the same window, and there's no longer any area for the message to be displayed in the mail window. Instead, when you are at the message you choose to read, you must press the return key to > l >> aunch a new window in which the post is displayed, and close the window with Command-W when you are done. >> >> As I write this, I wonder whether the people who are finding that VoiceOver disappears with mail (Mike Busboom's thread last week; Mark's report that this happens every time he uses mail, Eric's report that this seems related to memory leaks) aren't finding the problems aggravated by this setting. Launching multiple windows and closing them probably is less efficient on releasing memory if you keep your system up for long periods of time (e.g., weeks or months) without a reboot. I know that most laptop users tend to "sleep" their machines. Certainly, mailing list reading has exploded in recent months on this list and other related ones. Hmmm. This shouldn't be a large effect, but maybe small inefficiencies are being magnified here. Anyway, I'll spend more time thinking about this. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Mar 21, 2011, at 10:39, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> You can turn off the preview pain. that's the first thing I do when setting up someone's email account, or mine for that matter. >>> >>> 1. go to the horizontal splitter before the preview pain and vo cmd f5 on it. >>> >>> 2. Now double click it with your physical mouse and it should be gone. >>> >>> 3. you will know it's gone when you have that splitter all the way to the right. >>> >>> Take care. >>> Sarah Alawami >>> >>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>> >>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>> >>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>> >>> On Mar 21, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Is there any reason to not use vo j for reading messages in mail? What would happen if you turned off the preview pane, or can you even do this? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Cait >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ____ Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 From kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com Sun Mar 27 00:04:44 2011 From: kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com (Kawal Gucukoglu) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 00:04:44 +0000 Subject: spell check In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09D229BD-FB7B-4E5E-A45A-2BF0121AB653@sent.com> Hi Mark. If you find a misspelt word, please press voice over keys, shift and M together. Then if you press voiceover keys and arrow down with your cursor keys you should find the suggested suggestions. I am still learning the Mac. The voice over keys are control and option. Please can someone correct me if I'm wrong. Kawal. On 26 Mar 2011, at 12:12, Mark Furness wrote: > As a new Mac user, spell checking is a mistery! Pages or ted\xt edit informs me a word is misspelled but it eludes me where or how to pick the correct spelling! > > Step by step help will be greatly appreciated!!! > > Mark > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ____ Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucukoglu at sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 00:51:17 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 17:51:17 -0700 Subject: spell check In-Reply-To: <1A439FB4-FA2D-403B-A3D1-0115D1C55F0C@gmail.com> References: <1A439FB4-FA2D-403B-A3D1-0115D1C55F0C@gmail.com> Message-ID: You an also vo shift m on the error as well and that sould give you all the options of the grammar dialogue. Take care. On Mar 26, 2011, at 5:32 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hello Mark, > > You can change this option in the VoiceOver Utility under the "Verbosity>Text" tab. Move right until you find "When I encounter a misspelled word." The pop up button allows you to set options like "Do nothing," "Speak attributes" and "Play tone." > > To use spellchecking, you can use Command-semicolon to quickly place the cursor on a misspelled item. This can be an instance of incorrect grammar, if you have this set, or it can simply be a word. Using COmmand-Colon invokes a "Spelling and grammar" dialog which places you in the field containing the misspelled word or grammar issue. You can hit VoiceOver-COmmand-T to jump directly to the table displaying suggestions, and you can then arrow down to review them. Hitting enter on any suggestion replaces the misspelled item with the item you have selected in the table. TO spell a suggestion, you can interact with the table, then use VO-W-W to spell the word that has focus. > > Incidentally, you can also ignore words, which will ignore the word through the entire document in case it is actually spelled correctly, such as a name or city. You may also "Learn" the misspelled item, which enters that item into your personal dictionary. You can also "define" a word if you do not know what it means, or if you are not sure if it is a word at all if no suggestions are found. This will open up the Dictionary application and search through all dictionaries online. In this "Spelling and grammar" dialog, you can also select various languages to use, rather than the language selected for your operating system. > > "Guess" will essentially just do what that dialog is doing. You can also skip back and forth between words with the "Find next" button, although my personal method is to use Command-Semicolon to find the misspelled words if I am reviewing an email, document, web form, etc. This allows me to use Command-Colon to invoke the "Spelling and grammar" dialog again to search rom my current cursor location to review suggestions. > > I hope this was helpful. Please write back if there is something that confuses you. :) > > Regards, > Nic > GoogleTalk: chojiro1990 at gmail.com > Facebook > Twitter > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nicolai at home3.gvdnet.dk > Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 > AIM: cincinster > > On Mar 26, 2011, at 1:12 PM, Mark Furness wrote: > >> As a new Mac user, spell checking is a mistery! Pages or ted\xt edit informs me a word is misspelled but it eludes me where or how to pick the correct spelling! >> >> Step by step help will be greatly appreciated!!! >> >> Mark >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From cjsims at me.com Sun Mar 27 03:56:03 2011 From: cjsims at me.com (Christopher Sims) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 13:56:03 +1100 Subject: new 10.6.7 update? In-Reply-To: <52ACF359-2653-4A64-BB86-77A065C912D7@mac-access.net> References: <820371D3-5361-42A7-8C76-C8D5EB95CE9E@me.com> <52ACF359-2653-4A64-BB86-77A065C912D7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <13D340BB-901A-4994-9EEF-BB8DD94E19CD@me.com> Have you had any spesific Voiceover issues? Christopher Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 phone M:0418558275 skype: cjsims3000 On 27/03/2011, at 12:05 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > On 25 Mar 2011, at 10:54, Christopher Sims wrote: > > ? Anyone had any bad experiences with the latest software update to OSX? Thanks. > > We had an issue updating one of our servers using the server version of OSX. But the other servers (of which there are now 6), went fine. > > Maybe an opportune moment for me to tell the group that there are now 6 OSX servers clustered in order to give this list yet more processing power. We are currently undertaking a major network investment in the infrastructure, in conjunction with Gordon's employer. It won't make a terrific amount of difference to the group, save to add more stability. But overall we wanted you to know that we do take the running of this group very seriously and we try our best to make things run smoothly. > > Gordon has been unavailable for the last 2 days to do further work on this, because of ongoing health problems. But as and when possible we will get the full power of those servers implemented. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 06:01:51 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2011 22:01:51 -0700 Subject: new 10.6.7 update? In-Reply-To: <13D340BB-901A-4994-9EEF-BB8DD94E19CD@me.com> References: <820371D3-5361-42A7-8C76-C8D5EB95CE9E@me.com> <52ACF359-2653-4A64-BB86-77A065C912D7@mac-access.net> <13D340BB-901A-4994-9EEF-BB8DD94E19CD@me.com> Message-ID: <1101C36E-6C9D-4C1C-B342-481F890BAE40@gmail.com> Well the hangs have been getting more frequent like every 20 seconds if I'm typing very fast. I've been keeping logs and will give them to apple I hope? Take care. On Mar 26, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Christopher Sims wrote: > Have you had any spesific Voiceover issues? > Christopher Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 phone M:0418558275 skype: cjsims3000 > > On 27/03/2011, at 12:05 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Chris >> >> On 25 Mar 2011, at 10:54, Christopher Sims wrote: >> >> ? Anyone had any bad experiences with the latest software update to OSX? Thanks. >> >> We had an issue updating one of our servers using the server version of OSX. But the other servers (of which there are now 6), went fine. >> >> Maybe an opportune moment for me to tell the group that there are now 6 OSX servers clustered in order to give this list yet more processing power. We are currently undertaking a major network investment in the infrastructure, in conjunction with Gordon's employer. It won't make a terrific amount of difference to the group, save to add more stability. But overall we wanted you to know that we do take the running of this group very seriously and we try our best to make things run smoothly. >> >> Gordon has been unavailable for the last 2 days to do further work on this, because of ongoing health problems. But as and when possible we will get the full power of those servers implemented. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From cjsims at me.com Sun Mar 27 06:11:36 2011 From: cjsims at me.com (Christopher Sims) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:11:36 +1100 Subject: Paypal Mobile, and IOS App? Message-ID: <028AD5BA-0D6C-48E1-8006-2C13EF2C8B78@me.com> Hi. Has anyone attempted to use the above mentioned app with Voiceover? If so, how have you found it? I personally think that it isn't accessible. Interested in others thoughts. Christopher Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 phone M:0418558275 skype: cjsims3000 From cjsims at me.com Sun Mar 27 06:20:00 2011 From: cjsims at me.com (Christopher Sims) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 16:20:00 +1100 Subject: mail still showing addresses that I've used in the passed. Message-ID: I've cleared out some email addresses from both the previous recipients lists, and my address book in mail, however, they continue to show up why is this happening? for example, the old email address for this very mailing list still shows up as a previous recipient of emails, even though I have cleared it out of everywhere that I know of. Thanks in advance for shedding any light on this. Please note, if your replying to me after 10:00pm Australian Eastern time, Please ensure that you reply to me off list, as my address will be in vacation mode at this time. Christopher Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 phone M:0418558275 skype: cjsims3000 From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 09:43:47 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 01:43:47 -0700 Subject: mail still showing addresses that I've used in the passed. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Is that address still in your contacts if so I believe it will try and show up. Take care. On Mar 26, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Christopher Sims wrote: > I've cleared out some email addresses from both the previous recipients lists, and my address book in mail, however, they continue to show up why is this happening? for example, the old email address for this very mailing list still shows up as a previous recipient of emails, even though I have cleared it out of everywhere that I know of. > > Thanks in advance for shedding any light on this. Please note, if your replying to me after 10:00pm Australian Eastern time, Please ensure that you reply to me off list, as my address will be in vacation mode at this time. > Christopher Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 phone M:0418558275 skype: cjsims3000 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From cjsims at me.com Sun Mar 27 11:01:40 2011 From: cjsims at me.com (Christopher Sims) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 21:01:40 +1100 Subject: mail still showing addresses that I've used in the passed. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Sara. As it turns out, the offending address was sitll in my contacts. I've now removed such. Christopher Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 phone M:0418558275 skype: cjsims3000 On 27/03/2011, at 7:43 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Is that address still in your contacts if so I believe it will try and show up. > > Take care. > On Mar 26, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Christopher Sims wrote: > >> I've cleared out some email addresses from both the previous recipients lists, and my address book in mail, however, they continue to show up why is this happening? for example, the old email address for this very mailing list still shows up as a previous recipient of emails, even though I have cleared it out of everywhere that I know of. >> >> Thanks in advance for shedding any light on this. Please note, if your replying to me after 10:00pm Australian Eastern time, Please ensure that you reply to me off list, as my address will be in vacation mode at this time. >> Christopher Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 phone M:0418558275 skype: cjsims3000 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gunn at tznet.com Sun Mar 27 15:14:13 2011 From: gunn at tznet.com (John Gunn) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 09:14:13 -0500 Subject: mail still showing addresses that I've used in the passed. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9EABC1A4-4E65-4A54-8ED7-FD1DECD092E5@tznet.com> Hi: Adding a little her, which might help. If you do VO-left-arrow to window, VO down to address panel or shortcut is command-option-a this will bring you to a list of addresses you can delete. Table format and once you highlite the desired of course interacting with the table, stop interacting and VO right to remove. Not sure if there's away to do multiple addresses but the reason this exists is even replying to someone with out addeding send to addressbook this is where the address is. Take care, John On Mar 27, 2011, at 5:01 AM, Christopher Sims wrote: > Hi Sara. As it turns out, the offending address was sitll in my contacts. I've now removed such. > Christopher Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 phone M:0418558275 skype: cjsims3000 > > On 27/03/2011, at 7:43 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Is that address still in your contacts if so I believe it will try and show up. >> >> Take care. >> On Mar 26, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Christopher Sims wrote: >> >>> I've cleared out some email addresses from both the previous recipients lists, and my address book in mail, however, they continue to show up why is this happening? for example, the old email address for this very mailing list still shows up as a previous recipient of emails, even though I have cleared it out of everywhere that I know of. >>> >>> Thanks in advance for shedding any light on this. Please note, if your replying to me after 10:00pm Australian Eastern time, Please ensure that you reply to me off list, as my address will be in vacation mode at this time. >>> Christopher Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 phone M:0418558275 skype: cjsims3000 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From eleanorsouthwood at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 18:34:04 2011 From: eleanorsouthwood at gmail.com (Eleanor Southwood) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:34:04 +0100 Subject: Renaming files Message-ID: <573B69E5-BAF1-4E92-8B30-7D1A538A3FFE@gmail.com> Hi all, A (hopefully) simple query...How do I rename files and folders? I can't see an option in the menus anywhere but perhaps I'm missing something? Thanks in advance for help with this, ellie From james.austin at mac-access.net Sun Mar 27 18:41:47 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 18:41:47 +0100 Subject: Renaming files In-Reply-To: <573B69E5-BAF1-4E92-8B30-7D1A538A3FFE@gmail.com> References: <573B69E5-BAF1-4E92-8B30-7D1A538A3FFE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <756A9A7D-FF2F-46CA-B1EC-54D39499B1F0@mac-access.net> Hi Ellie, On your file or folder, just press enter/return. You can then rename your files. HTH TC James You can contact me in the following ways: E-Mail: james.austin at mac-access.net Skype: saulky1984 Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/lnt2008 On 27 Mar 2011, at 18:34, Eleanor Southwood wrote: > Hi all, > > A (hopefully) simple query...How do I rename files and folders? I can't see an option in the menus anywhere but perhaps I'm missing something? > > Thanks in advance for help with this, > ellie > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From eleanorsouthwood at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 19:14:35 2011 From: eleanorsouthwood at gmail.com (Eleanor Southwood) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 19:14:35 +0100 Subject: Renaming files In-Reply-To: <756A9A7D-FF2F-46CA-B1EC-54D39499B1F0@mac-access.net> References: <573B69E5-BAF1-4E92-8B30-7D1A538A3FFE@gmail.com> <756A9A7D-FF2F-46CA-B1EC-54D39499B1F0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Gosh thanks, turned out to be very simple then! Ellie On 27 Mar 2011, at 18:41, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > Hi Ellie, > > On your file or folder, just press enter/return. You can then rename your files. > > HTH > TC > James > > You can contact me in the following ways: > > E-Mail: > james.austin at mac-access.net > Skype: > saulky1984 > Twitter: > http://www.twitter.com/lnt2008 > > On 27 Mar 2011, at 18:34, Eleanor Southwood wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> A (hopefully) simple query...How do I rename files and folders? I can't see an option in the menus anywhere but perhaps I'm missing something? >> >> Thanks in advance for help with this, >> ellie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moopiecurran at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 19:35:55 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:35:55 -0400 Subject: Adding people to conferences in the new Skype 5 Message-ID: Hi, As I start to get more used to Skype 5 on my mac, I'm starting to like it a lot more. But I have one question, how can people be added to conferences that I host? Courtney From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Sun Mar 27 22:25:00 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:25:00 +0100 Subject: Adding people to conferences in the new Skype 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1B9D18CE-E159-43C7-992E-24124314DE91@gmail.com> Hi Courtney! Although I've never done this with Skype 5 I think you have to add people from there name! So whilst on a call and you wish to addd someone go to there name and see if you have add to call button or just press call button and see what happens! :] I hope I've got this right please tell me if not! All the best Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 27 Mar 2011, at 19:35, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > As I start to get more used to Skype 5 on my mac, I'm starting to like it a lot more. But I have one question, how can people be added to conferences that I host? > Courtney > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mattchao at verizon.net Sun Mar 27 23:19:49 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:19:49 -0700 Subject: Deleting Messages and Hearing the Headers Message-ID: <215D4C0B-30F4-49A4-8399-611ACC48027E@verizon.net> Hi, Folks! When looking in the messages area at the "unread" messages, I only hear the message the cursor goes to, not the following messages. I want to be able to highlight and cursor down through the messages and hear the recipients' name and subject header. However, I don't hear this. How do I get VO to read me the message email name and subject while I cursor down so I can delete a few messages at a time instead of having to read each one? Thanks in advance for your help. Matthew Chao From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Mar 27 23:49:32 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 15:49:32 -0700 Subject: Cloud-Focused iOS 5 to See WWDC Intro, Fall Release? Message-ID: <0FEADF02-AB87-4031-8529-E1C29DC5F5B5@gmail.com> I'm having trouble receibvng mail right now and won't be able to respond to iny queries about this until maybe tomorrow or tuesday article below. hopefully the read me link works. Take care. . Cloud-Focused iOS 5 to See WWDC Intro, Fall Release? TechCrunch reports that Apple may be departing from its usual pattern of releasing major new iOS releases alongside new iPhone hardware in the June-July timeframe, instead pushing iOS 5 to a release in http://bit.ly/f70ndf From krbarry at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 01:07:19 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 20:07:19 -0400 Subject: Yahoo Messenger accessible? Message-ID: <4d8fd12a.435b340a.1efe.233a@mx.google.com> Does anyone know if YM is accessible? there are chat clients that support YM that are accessible but I would also like to be able to use the voice calling part of YM. Thanks for any help. Kevin Kevin Barry If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. From billd at insightbb.com Mon Mar 28 05:10:29 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (bill deatherage) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:10:29 -0400 Subject: issue with safarri Message-ID: <8CCF1F93582245488D204B9ED717912E@WilliamPC> Hello, tonight when I was in safari and was trying to get on facebook I kept getting a message saying Safari busy. is there a solution to the problem? I tried updating my software but that didn?t help anything. thank you in advance. bill From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 06:48:44 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 22:48:44 -0700 Subject: issue with safarri In-Reply-To: <8CCF1F93582245488D204B9ED717912E@WilliamPC> References: <8CCF1F93582245488D204B9ED717912E@WilliamPC> Message-ID: Nope. it's facebook's fault. Sorry for beeing brash but we've tried and tried again and again to talk to facebook and all they keep doing is braking the mobile site thereby causing these safari busy messages and in some cases voice over crashes. Take care. On Mar 27, 2011, at 9:10 PM, bill deatherage wrote: > Hello, tonight when I was in safari and was trying to get on facebook I kept getting a message saying Safari busy. is there a solution to the problem? I tried updating my software but that didn?t help anything. > thank you in advance. bill > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From ian456 at me.com Mon Mar 28 09:20:38 2011 From: ian456 at me.com (Ian Robinson) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 09:20:38 +0100 Subject: Deleting Messages and Hearing the Headers In-Reply-To: <215D4C0B-30F4-49A4-8399-611ACC48027E@verizon.net> References: <215D4C0B-30F4-49A4-8399-611ACC48027E@verizon.net> Message-ID: <57B1E864-DD93-4ACE-98D9-BBC4E39DDA46@me.com> Matthew, If I've understood your message correctly, then you need to press VO Shift Up Arrow to stop interacting with the table. when interacting, only the current column is announced with cursor up/down; when not interacting, the whole row will be announced. regards. Ian On 27 Mar 2011, at 23:19, Matthew Chao wrote: > Hi, Folks! When looking in the messages area at the "unread" messages, I only hear the message the cursor goes to, not the following messages. I want to be able to highlight and cursor down through the messages and hear the recipients' name and subject header. However, I don't hear this. How do I get VO to read me the message email name and subject while I cursor down so I can delete a few messages at a time instead of having to read each one? Thanks in advance for your help. > > Matthew Chao > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From bardiazakeri at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 09:30:52 2011 From: bardiazakeri at gmail.com (Bardia Zakeri) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 10:30:52 +0200 Subject: hi! Message-ID: <446ADF383251412F9901122116C8D3DC@BARDIASHP> hi! iam new from sweden and 16 year. From support at mac-access.net Mon Mar 28 12:13:00 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:13:00 +0100 Subject: New member Welcome Message-ID: Hello everybody Please do not reply to this thread on list unless your reply has a direct relevance to their Mac use or interest. It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome Bardia Zakeri to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but have a keen interest. We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope this clarifies the position. 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For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From billd at insightbb.com Mon Mar 28 12:23:31 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 07:23:31 -0400 Subject: issue with safarri In-Reply-To: References: <8CCF1F93582245488D204B9ED717912E@WilliamPC> Message-ID: <0B69FF5C-8D07-4AD4-8C7D-36F47170C3CB@insightbb.com> Hi Thanks for the information. I wasn't sure what was going on and now I know. Bill Deatherage From sadamahmed1992 at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 15:18:06 2011 From: sadamahmed1992 at gmail.com (sadam ahmed) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 07:18:06 -0700 Subject: voiceover using mac o s x 10.6.7 Message-ID: HI all anyone had issues with voiceover with the release of mac o s x 10.6.7? sometimes voiceover seems to hang wen using my macbook pro with pro tools maby it's just me? anyhow i have sent log reports to APPLE accessibility heres hoping they fix this in mac o s x lion regards, SADAM. From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Mar 28 15:55:36 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:55:36 +0100 Subject: The Spiralling Costs Of Service Message-ID: <860B5F3B-D778-4AE8-8EE4-351C7C5A65FE@mac-access.net> Hello everybody This is one time when I really would prefer not to have to post. But given everything, we feel that the time has come to offer our members the option to donate a sum of their own choosing to Mac Access Dot Net, in order to help us meet the spiralling costs of maintaining this service. Although I'm sure this post is going to degenerate into something of an essay, a ramble, let me first attempt to explain exactly what's involved here, so that you have a clearer understanding of why we have taken the decision to give you this option. We undertook some time ago to provide services for the visually impaired, including free email addresses and free web and domain hosting. 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With warmest wishes from us here at Mac Access Dot Net to all of our members. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Mar 28 16:21:01 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:21:01 +0100 Subject: new 10.6.7 update? In-Reply-To: <13D340BB-901A-4994-9EEF-BB8DD94E19CD@me.com> References: <820371D3-5361-42A7-8C76-C8D5EB95CE9E@me.com> <52ACF359-2653-4A64-BB86-77A065C912D7@mac-access.net> <13D340BB-901A-4994-9EEF-BB8DD94E19CD@me.com> Message-ID: Hello Chris; forgive the delay, things are exceptionally busy at Mac Access just now. On 27 Mar 2011, at 03:56, Christopher Sims wrote: ? Have you had any spesific Voiceover issues? Absolutely none. But I urge you not to forget the permissions repair post-update. It really is important and it's amazing how many people simply don't do that. You'd be well advised to boot from another volume and then do the repair because it apparently isn't possible to do the fix when the start disk is active. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Mar 28 16:22:00 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:22:00 +0100 Subject: new 10.6.7 update? In-Reply-To: <1101C36E-6C9D-4C1C-B342-481F890BAE40@gmail.com> References: <820371D3-5361-42A7-8C76-C8D5EB95CE9E@me.com> <52ACF359-2653-4A64-BB86-77A065C912D7@mac-access.net> <13D340BB-901A-4994-9EEF-BB8DD94E19CD@me.com> <1101C36E-6C9D-4C1C-B342-481F890BAE40@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Sarah On 27 Mar 2011, at 06:01, Sarah Alawami wrote: ? Well the hangs have been getting more frequent like every 20 seconds if I'm typing very fast. I've been keeping logs and will give them to apple I hope? We thin this is a swap file or permissions issue. Is your drive really so full? Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Mar 28 16:24:11 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:24:11 +0100 Subject: Renaming files In-Reply-To: <573B69E5-BAF1-4E92-8B30-7D1A538A3FFE@gmail.com> References: <573B69E5-BAF1-4E92-8B30-7D1A538A3FFE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2635B8D8-B629-4FA4-B75C-0CCEDF0EEC4D@mac-access.net> Hello Eleanor On 27 Mar 2011, at 18:34, Eleanor Southwood wrote: A (hopefully) simple query...How do I rename files and folders? I can't see an option in the menus anywhere but perhaps I'm missing something? In OSX, pressing "Enter" on a filename lets you rename it. It isn't like Windows where the enter key opens the object. Lynne From bardiazakeri at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 17:06:35 2011 From: bardiazakeri at gmail.com (Bardia Zakeri) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 18:06:35 +0200 Subject: iphone References: Message-ID: hi can i ask ? about iphone and so here to? From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 20:26:14 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:26:14 -0700 Subject: Fixing backup / iOS updates Message-ID: <2E9C9E3D-2B5C-4DE0-8BAF-44FECE971E92@gmail.com> macFixing backup / iOS updates Ever since I had upgraded to 10.6.7, or about the same time, my iPhone was no longer backing up. It was giving me 2 errors: 'Couldn't retrieve profile from Sync Services -- unplug and replug iPhone' and 'Couldn't backup iPhone.' Having restarted, and unplugged/replugged the iPhone, it still wouldn't back up, or even update to iOS 4.3.1. The situation was very vexing. The issue was available storage space on the iPhone. I had over 700 photos and movies on my 16GB iPhone, which clogged everything up. The solution, of course, was to delete those photos and videos. Having done that, the iPhone finally synched, backed up and updated to 4.3.1. It may be slightly obvious, but it's good to know that too little disk space on the iPhone can clog up backups. [crarko adds: Is there documentation about how much scratch space needs to be left on iOS devices for things like updates? A pointer would be handy if somebody could provide it.] From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 20:30:33 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 12:30:33 -0700 Subject: issue with safarri In-Reply-To: <0B69FF5C-8D07-4AD4-8C7D-36F47170C3CB@insightbb.com> References: <8CCF1F93582245488D204B9ED717912E@WilliamPC> <0B69FF5C-8D07-4AD4-8C7D-36F47170C3CB@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <3618B732-175F-418E-9671-0FC8A01BDE1F@gmail.com> Well let me resay that. It is sometimes wiht the facebook site but it can happen wiht other sites as well. What I would di is report this to apple through the safari menu and hopefully they can do something about it in the mean time try contacting facebook accessibility. Good luck. On Mar 28, 2011, at 4:23 AM, William Deatherage wrote: > Hi Thanks for the information. I wasn't sure what was going on and now I know. > Bill Deatherage > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk Mon Mar 28 21:00:45 2011 From: sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk (Sunil Peck) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:00:45 +0100 Subject: Recommendations for a basic audio editor Message-ID: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217995@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Hi, I'd appreciate suggestions for an audio editor for some basic editing. I'd like to be able to load up a radio programme I've recorded or downloaded and highlight and cut the end of the previous programme, go to the end of the file and cut off the beginning of the following programme and also highlight audio in the middle of a file to cut. Basic editing really. I've just searched the Mac Visionary archives and found some posts from September 2009 where the favoured option was Amadeus Pro. Have there been any developments since then? Cheers Sunil Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by guarantee (number 520866). Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. Our VAT number is 805156939. Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been addressed by the sender. This message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 21:19:09 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 13:19:09 -0700 Subject: Recommendations for a basic audio editor In-Reply-To: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217995@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217995@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: <6DD6591F-50A1-41EA-867C-C936F5BDDEE9@gmail.com> Hello. amadeus pro will do you fine. I use this allthe time for my podcasts intros and outtros and also for voic eover work as well. Take care. On Mar 28, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Sunil Peck wrote: > Hi, > > I'd appreciate suggestions for an audio editor for some basic editing. I'd like to be able to load up a radio programme I've recorded or downloaded and highlight and cut the end of the previous programme, go to the end of the file and cut off the beginning of the following programme and also highlight audio in the middle of a file to cut. Basic editing really. > > I've just searched the Mac Visionary archives and found some posts from September 2009 where the favoured option was Amadeus Pro. Have there been any developments since then? > > Cheers > Sunil > > > Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by > guarantee (number 520866). > Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. > Our VAT number is 805156939. > > > Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk > > This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential > and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been > addressed by the sender. This message may contain confidential and/or > privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this > message, or if you believe it was transmitted to you in error, you are > required to delete the message and any copies of it, and to notify the > sender immediately. Any unauthorised disclosure, copying, distribution, > or printing of this message or accompanying files, or unauthorised use > of any information contained therein, by anyone other than the > intended recipient(s) is prohibited and may be unlawful. > > Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with > it are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the > views of Scope. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From billd at insightbb.com Mon Mar 28 21:39:42 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:39:42 -0400 Subject: replying to people on facebook with the mail program Message-ID: <68AFC79E-523A-47FE-BA16-EAF84CB569C9@insightbb.com> Hello, is there a way that you can reply to people on facebook through the mail program on the mac. I am using snow leopard. Bill Deatherage From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Mar 28 21:42:27 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:42:27 +0100 Subject: Recommendations for a basic audio editor In-Reply-To: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217995@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217995@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: <612CFFB9-F27C-45F6-930A-3D2C992BAED2@mac-access.net> There are several good ones. But the best of the bunch seems to be Amadeus Pro, unless you want a really high-end one. Peak might fit the bill if you do. BTW, that is a dirty pair of words around here, "Mac Visionaries". ;-) Lynne On 28 Mar 2011, at 21:00, Sunil Peck wrote: Hi, I'd appreciate suggestions for an audio editor for some basic editing. I'd like to be able to load up a radio programme I've recorded or downloaded and highlight and cut the end of the previous programme, go to the end of the file and cut off the beginning of the following programme and also highlight audio in the middle of a file to cut. Basic editing really. From edworrell at bresnan.net Mon Mar 28 21:45:08 2011 From: edworrell at bresnan.net (Ed Worrell) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:45:08 -0600 Subject: replying to people on facebook with the mail program In-Reply-To: <68AFC79E-523A-47FE-BA16-EAF84CB569C9@insightbb.com> References: <68AFC79E-523A-47FE-BA16-EAF84CB569C9@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <8C5C62F2-02F5-42B2-A3D0-BE3E14CD1364@bresnan.net> yes there is. You have to have notifications set up to email you when someone makes a comment on your status. All you have to do then is reply to the email, and it will post to there wall or comments part of that status post. Hope this helps. ED From billd at insightbb.com Mon Mar 28 21:49:52 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:49:52 -0400 Subject: replying to people on facebook with the mail program In-Reply-To: <8C5C62F2-02F5-42B2-A3D0-BE3E14CD1364@bresnan.net> References: <68AFC79E-523A-47FE-BA16-EAF84CB569C9@insightbb.com> <8C5C62F2-02F5-42B2-A3D0-BE3E14CD1364@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <9A775C25-A39D-4E86-9DA1-DCA238813D73@insightbb.com> Hi Ed, so if you use the command r command will it reply. hay, I am not to smart when it comes to this(smile). Bill Deatherage From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 22:04:42 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:04:42 -0700 Subject: replying to people on facebook with the mail program In-Reply-To: <9A775C25-A39D-4E86-9DA1-DCA238813D73@insightbb.com> References: <68AFC79E-523A-47FE-BA16-EAF84CB569C9@insightbb.com> <8C5C62F2-02F5-42B2-A3D0-BE3E14CD1364@bresnan.net> <9A775C25-A39D-4E86-9DA1-DCA238813D73@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <6B26A0DB-41EE-4E35-9717-404FD61C0C37@gmail.com> Actually google for the friend mail. it is a neat service that will let you reply comment post and everything well almost everything right from your inbox. It is a cool little thing I've been using for the past month and it is very good. I've used that exclusively except when I check for messages in my fb inbox. friend mail does not do that yet. Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 28, 2011, at 1:49 PM, William Deatherage wrote: > Hi Ed, > so if you use the command r command will it reply. hay, I am not to smart when it comes to this(smile). > Bill Deatherage > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From edworrell at bresnan.net Mon Mar 28 23:25:19 2011 From: edworrell at bresnan.net (Ed Worrell) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 16:25:19 -0600 Subject: replying to people on facebook with the mail program In-Reply-To: <9A775C25-A39D-4E86-9DA1-DCA238813D73@insightbb.com> References: <68AFC79E-523A-47FE-BA16-EAF84CB569C9@insightbb.com> <8C5C62F2-02F5-42B2-A3D0-BE3E14CD1364@bresnan.net> <9A775C25-A39D-4E86-9DA1-DCA238813D73@insightbb.com> Message-ID: <77E4F44A-44CF-4876-9F81-AFCEA6804273@bresnan.net> Bill, Yes you can use command r to reply. that will work just fine. ED From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Mar 28 23:36:08 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 15:36:08 -0700 Subject: How To Use Collections To Manage Your iBooks Library Message-ID: <48E887EA-AF34-4AB8-9EE6-ECFB38518792@gmail.com> a handy tip. the link is at the bottom of the article. How To Use Collections To Manage Your iBooks Library Between prior purchases and poor self-restraint, I now have an e-book library in iBooks several hundred titles strong on my iPad, and it?s growing constantly. Simply sorting by Title, Author, or Genre just isn?t going to cut it anymore. Thankfully, the introduction of user-manageable Collections in iBooks adds some much needed depth to iPad e-book organization. Collections in iBooks let you create a sort of subfolder in your library wherein you can house related books. In my case, as you can see from the screenshot below, I?ve created collections for book series, general photography resources (the manuals to my cameras are in there, along with e-books about photography I?ve purchased, since you can mix and match e-books and PDFs), gaming information, authors (books by and about) and a lot more besides. It?s all quite easy to do, as you can see from the following instructions. Managing Your Collections Step One: Getting Your Books In If you use iBooks exclusively for your ebook needs, getting your books in is a piece of cake. If, like me, you?ve got a library spread across multiple vendors you?re going to need to break the DRM (which you do at your own risk, and only through means you yourself dig up) on them and then import them to iBooks via iTunes. I also had a problem managing collections with books I already had in the library before the update, so, it?s worth re-syncing all of your books before managing your collections. Step Two: Creating a Collection At first, iBooks has two collections: Books and PDFs. Obviously, your ePub books are in Books, and any imported PDFs are in, well, PDFs. To create a new collection, simply press New at the bottom of the Collections window. Give your new Collection a name and you?re good to go. Step Three: Putting Stuff in the Collection Press the Edit button on the upper right hand corner of your library. Select the books you want to move to the collection and press Move in the upper left corner of the screen. Choose your destination collection and the items will be moved there. That?s all there is to it. Limitations I haven?t run into too many limitations using collections. Most of them I can work around ? using the search I can filter by specific authors, titles, etc. The biggest problem is that all your Collection management has to happen within the app; you can?t manage them via iTunes where using the keyboard and mouse is a tad easier. Apple should really think about adding that feature into iTunes, which really needs to do some growing up to become the multifunction hardware and media manager Apple?s positioned it as. Got any tips about how to best use collections? Share them in the comments. http://bit.ly/fo1ifu From krbarry at gmail.com Tue Mar 29 02:39:10 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 21:39:10 -0400 Subject: apple e-mail address? Message-ID: <4d913830.4807dc0a.7786.40c9@mx.google.com> can someone tell me what the e-mail address for Apple is for us to lend suggestions or comments? thanks. kevin Kevin Barry If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 29 03:35:21 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 19:35:21 -0700 Subject: apple e-mail address? In-Reply-To: <4d913830.4807dc0a.7786.40c9@mx.google.com> References: <4d913830.4807dc0a.7786.40c9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: For access questions and suggestions it is accessibility at apple.com. for other things see http://apple.com/support/feedback or I think that's the page. working off of memmory here. lol! take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 28, 2011, at 6:39 PM, Kevin Barry wrote: > can someone tell me what the e-mail address for Apple is for us to lend suggestions or comments? > thanks. > kevin > > > > > Kevin Barry > If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From va3ets2000 at me.com Tue Mar 29 12:55:23 2011 From: va3ets2000 at me.com (Dan Eickmeier) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:55:23 -0400 Subject: Recommendations for a basic audio editor In-Reply-To: <612CFFB9-F27C-45F6-930A-3D2C992BAED2@mac-access.net> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217995@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <612CFFB9-F27C-45F6-930A-3D2C992BAED2@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4CC875F2-24C9-40EF-8C7E-94E45A7789FC@me.com> Speaking of Peak, I'd heard about that on a Mainstream podcast, is that accessible at all? On Mar 28, 2011, at 4:42 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > There are several good ones. But the best of the bunch seems to be Amadeus Pro, unless you want a really high-end one. Peak might fit the bill if you do. > > BTW, that is a dirty pair of words around here, "Mac Visionaries". ;-) > > Lynne > > On 28 Mar 2011, at 21:00, Sunil Peck wrote: > > Hi, > > I'd appreciate suggestions for an audio editor for some basic editing. I'd like to be able to load up a radio programme I've recorded or downloaded and highlight and cut the end of the previous programme, go to the end of the file and cut off the beginning of the following programme and also highlight audio in the middle of a file to cut. Basic editing really. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From billd at insightbb.com Tue Mar 29 18:02:46 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:02:46 -0400 Subject: and face bookstill having issue with saffari Message-ID: Hello, does anyone have an e-mail adaddress for technical support for facebook Thanks Bill Deatherage From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Mar 29 18:33:27 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:33:27 -0500 Subject: Recommendations for a basic audio editor In-Reply-To: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217995@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217995@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: <1B27E713-2528-485A-8666-08E98618BAAB@softcon.com> Quicktime will do what you want, and it's free with osx. It won't do most things other editors do, but for basic editing such as what you want, it's just fine, and you won't need to purchase a thing. I did purchase a license to quicktime pro for myself, and that expands the capabilities of what it can do, but again, for simple editing like what you want, it will do just fine, and you won't need to download or purchase anything to do it. From gordon at mac-access.net Tue Mar 29 18:33:41 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:33:41 +0100 Subject: Recommendations for a basic audio editor In-Reply-To: <4CC875F2-24C9-40EF-8C7E-94E45A7789FC@me.com> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217995@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <612CFFB9-F27C-45F6-930A-3D2C992BAED2@mac-access.net> <4CC875F2-24C9-40EF-8C7E-94E45A7789FC@me.com> Message-ID: <1B016401-2272-45D9-9FD3-D3A45B784DBB@mac-access.net> I've used Peak, and actually bought the Express version. On 29 Mar 2011, at 12:55, Dan Eickmeier wrote: Speaking of Peak, I'd heard about that on a Mainstream podcast, is that accessible at all? From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 29 20:53:42 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:53:42 -0700 Subject: Recommendations for a basic audio editor In-Reply-To: <1B27E713-2528-485A-8666-08E98618BAAB@softcon.com> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02BED7217995@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <1B27E713-2528-485A-8666-08E98618BAAB@softcon.com> Message-ID: Yuck!? You can't to my knowledge do voice over work like I can with amadeus and my podcast and fade stuff in and out. Also all you can do is trim and it saves an audio file in *.mov format. I've googled on this and there is no solution besides switch or something to convert that to mp3. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 29, 2011, at 10:33 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: > Quicktime will do what you want, and it's free with osx. > It won't do most things other editors do, but for basic editing such as what you want, it's just fine, and you won't need to purchase a thing. > I did purchase a license to quicktime pro for myself, and that expands the capabilities of what it can do, but again, for simple editing like what you want, it will do just fine, and you won't need to download or purchase anything to do it. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Mar 29 20:55:02 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 12:55:02 -0700 Subject: and face bookstill having issue with saffari In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7927C933-A2AC-41FF-800E-425413B3F1F8@gmail.com> Yep try this. Be warned though that all they give is canned replies and most of the time don't reply at all. and most of the time they are auto replies as well. accessibility+772wpy at support.facebook.com Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Mar 29, 2011, at 10:02 AM, William Deatherage wrote: > Hello, > does anyone have an e-mail adaddress for technical support for facebook > Thanks > Bill Deatherage > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, viru