From lynne at mac-access.net Sun May 1 01:00:14 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 01:00:14 +0100 Subject: DocuScan Plus & Canon Scanners Message-ID: Hello everybody OK, it appears that in the last few months things have changed radically on the Scanner front at Canon. We just put our CanoScan lIDE700F scanner into the USB port of our Mac running Snow Leopard. We then ran software update and it came up with a "Canon Printer update". Expecting the worst, we clicked Install and had the drivers downloaded and installed to our OS. To my pleasant surprise, I noticed immediately that things had changed because the green light on the scanner came on and it did its diagnostic test. So, in a state of nervous anticipation, I run "DocuScan Plus", which I currently have in trial mode. When I clicked on "New Document", low and behold, the CanoScan is visible in the device list and seems functional. So, as a test, we inserted a letter envelope into the scanner with its address window on the flat bed. We hadn't yet opened this letter, but thought we'd just see what happened. To my utter astonishment, up popped the address of the letter in the document area of the application, recognised absolutely perfectly by the programme. I tried again with a different though similar article and, to my very pleasant surprise, got exactly the same results. So, it seems that the search for OCR on the Mac is finally over as far as we are concerned. I am more than happy to admit that my initial skepticism was misplaced and, although I still consider the price tag somewhat inflated, I am going to buy the programme now, assuming I can figure out exactly how to do that. This is one of those occasions where I am very pleased to be wrong. But based on what I am seeing here it would appear that the developers have indeed come up with a class product. Out of interest I'm about to go and try our other CanoScan which has never ever worked on the Mac before. I bought it at bargain basement prices as a national supermarket chain over here was doing a stock clearance in preparation for a merger with its general electronics sister company. This scanner came with no box, no cables and no anything else, except the scanner. But for 10 Pounds I thought at the time I'd really got nothing to lose. If this scanner now also works, then it's off to see how you buy the programme. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Sun May 1 01:47:35 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 01:47:35 +0100 Subject: How do you buyh Message-ID: Hello everybody This relates specifically to DocuScan Plus. If it's already on your system so that the button in the app store is no longer usable, how do yu buy this programme? Lynne From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 1 01:56:29 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 19:56:29 -0500 Subject: iTunes playlists In-Reply-To: <67B8124B-6B56-4C13-8C9D-A35FC1910481@gmail.com> References: <5B98E817-E719-4E15-A148-624267EB4475@blueyonder.co.uk> <67B8124B-6B56-4C13-8C9D-A35FC1910481@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7AE106DC-13FA-48C2-8B81-34456AA21C09@softcon.com> Because, when you delete a file from osx, it doesn't actually delete the file, it moves the file into the trash folder. Until you empty the trash, the file still exists, because the way unix points to files isn't by the file name itself, it's by reference nodes. The node on the disk remains the same, no matter how many times you move the file, so itunes will always find the file no matter where you move it. If you copy the file to a new place, then delete the original, it will no longer find it, because the file node no longer points to a valid file location. It's a little confusing, but not that bad once you understand how the file system works. You'll need to empty the trash to get it to go away completely, or go into your trash folder, and delete the file again. That will solve the problem for you. Of course, you should probably remove it from the play list, just so you don't have junked files in your play lists. Itunes will (eventually) place an icon in the list showing that the file is unavailable, but until it does, you won't know the file is missing when you look at the play list. From n0oxy at charter.net Sun May 1 03:00:50 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 21:00:50 -0500 Subject: How do you buyh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05B16A27-5B66-4A34-98C3-EC1BB90BB5E4@charter.net> Go to docuscanplus.com, there's a link there to purchase. On Apr 30, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > This relates specifically to DocuScan Plus. If it's already on your system so that the button in the app store is no longer usable, how do yu buy this programme? > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Sun May 1 03:02:08 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 03:02:08 +0100 Subject: How do you buyh In-Reply-To: <05B16A27-5B66-4A34-98C3-EC1BB90BB5E4@charter.net> References: <05B16A27-5B66-4A34-98C3-EC1BB90BB5E4@charter.net> Message-ID: <38710068-3AE8-4BC8-B524-F35406A2F1EA@mac-access.net> Mike yes, there is but it says you have to be running System Access. Lynne On 1 May 2011, at 03:00, Mike Arrigo wrote: Go to docuscanplus.com, there's a link there to purchase. On Apr 30, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > This relates specifically to DocuScan Plus. If it's already on your system so that the button in the app store is no longer usable, how do yu buy this programme? > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From moriond at mac.com Sun May 1 03:21:40 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:21:40 -1000 Subject: Docuscan Plus podcast presentation [was Re: How do you buyh] In-Reply-To: <05B16A27-5B66-4A34-98C3-EC1BB90BB5E4@charter.net> References: <05B16A27-5B66-4A34-98C3-EC1BB90BB5E4@charter.net> Message-ID: Hi Lynne and Others, Ricky Enger did a podcast about Docuscan at the end of January on the Accessible World Tek Talk podcast series, if you're interested in hearing more about this. I listened to this a few months ago on Podcaster. (Accessible World Tek Talk is one of the feeds that was hard to find, but if you want to subscribe to it in iTunes, or in Podcaster, Audiopress, or iCatcher! (all accessible podcast apps that let you download directly to the iOS device), the feed URL to use is: feed://www.accessibleworld.org/category/site-categories/tek-talk-archives/feed On my device, Podcaster will still show the stream for this episode and play it when I look for more older episodes, even though this program was not downloaded (I only streamed it). However, here's the main URL page for this episode and the program notes: http://www.accessibleworld.org/content-160 Ricky Enger Demonstrates Serotek?s DocuScan Plus On Tek Talk Monday, January 31, 2011 The program is nearly 80 minutes long. Skip over the first 8.5 minutes (which is not about the Docuscan Plus program). Ricky's presentation is 40 minutes long (ending at about 48.5 minutes), and then there's half an hour of questions. List members might be interested in listening to the question session, also about their plans for releasing a corresponding iPhone app (which is going to require having the Desktop version of Docuscan Plus.) I would try putting the Accessible World Tek Talk feed address into Podcaster, and checking whether you can play or download the episode directly on your iOS device: double tap the "Directory" button (4th of 5 on the bottom), then double tap "Import" at the bottom of the list of options. In the text box where you're prompted to enter the feed URL or OPML URL, type or paste in the feed address I gave above to subscribe: feed://www.accessibleworld.org/category/site-categories/tek-talk-archives/feed HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 30, 2011, at 16:00, Mike Arrigo wrote: > Go to docuscanplus.com, there's a link there to purchase. > On Apr 30, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello everybody >> >> This relates specifically to DocuScan Plus. If it's already on your system so that the button in the app store is no longer usable, how do yu buy this programme? >> >> Lynne >> From moriond at mac.com Sun May 1 03:25:40 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:25:40 -1000 Subject: How do you buyh In-Reply-To: <38710068-3AE8-4BC8-B524-F35406A2F1EA@mac-access.net> References: <05B16A27-5B66-4A34-98C3-EC1BB90BB5E4@charter.net> <38710068-3AE8-4BC8-B524-F35406A2F1EA@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <292CF3D6-7ACA-4F13-8FEB-CD15DD579F90@mac.com> Hi Lynne, I believe that you have to create a login account for System Access, but you don't need to be running System Access to purchase and run Docuscan Plus (All of this is also described in the podcast episode I just posted about.) Also, for those multilingual users, at present Docuscan Plus only works in English. (That was another piece of information from the podcast question period. If you only want to listen to people's questions, that portion starts about 48.5 minutes into the program.) Cheers, Esther On Apr 30, 2011, at 16:02, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Mike > > yes, there is but it says you have to be running System Access. > > Lynne > > On 1 May 2011, at 03:00, Mike Arrigo wrote: > > Go to docuscanplus.com, there's a link there to purchase. > On Apr 30, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello everybody >> >> This relates specifically to DocuScan Plus. If it's already on your system so that the button in the app store is no longer usable, how do yu buy this programme? >> >> Lynne >> >> _ From lynne at mac-access.net Sun May 1 03:59:07 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 03:59:07 +0100 Subject: Docuscan Plus podcast presentation [was Re: How do you buyh] In-Reply-To: References: <05B16A27-5B66-4A34-98C3-EC1BB90BB5E4@charter.net> Message-ID: <42CA3E8C-CB57-42B4-B727-F67051BD7DDB@mac-access.net> Hello Esther Gordon and I are having an interesting discussion about this software. My only issue from a functional perspective is that I can't actually buy it, and there is no purchase option within the programme itself which, to be honest, surprised me. But it's the functionality of the software which has got us talking. I understand the cloud-based concept and that is the only aspect of the application which worries me slightly. After all, they said that Drop Box was secure; but knowing what we all know now, it's anything but! If you're scanning highly sensitive documents as Gordon and I would be doing with this application, you cannot compromise on security. This is especially true in the line of work I am in, childcare. Yes, I understand about password protection; but password protection isn't the same as encryption. Many of the documents processed relate directly to individual clients, plus their parents or legal guardians. The laws on this kind of thing here in the UK are explicit and extremely rigorously enforced; as they should be everywhere, of course. I have no issue with that; but I'd like to know a little more about this "cloud" technology they are using. Not once did I see the security angle of this mentioned and that alone is a matter of some concern to us. So on reflection I think I may just hold off buying until I have spoken with the company to satisfy myself that the product meets high security standards. It would be a shame if not; but I can't afford to take the risks. Lynne On 1 May 2011, at 03:21, Esther wrote: Hi Lynne and Others, Ricky Enger did a podcast about Docuscan at the end of January on the Accessible World Tek Talk podcast series, if you're interested in hearing more about this. I listened to this a few months ago on Podcaster. (Accessible World Tek Talk is one of the feeds that was hard to find, but if you want to subscribe to it in iTunes, or in Podcaster, Audiopress, or iCatcher! (all accessible podcast apps that let you download directly to the iOS device), the feed URL to use is: feed://www.accessibleworld.org/category/site-categories/tek-talk-archives/feed On my device, Podcaster will still show the stream for this episode and play it when I look for more older episodes, even though this program was not downloaded (I only streamed it). However, here's the main URL page for this episode and the program notes: http://www.accessibleworld.org/content-160 Ricky Enger Demonstrates Serotek?s DocuScan Plus On Tek Talk Monday, January 31, 2011 The program is nearly 80 minutes long. Skip over the first 8.5 minutes (which is not about the Docuscan Plus program). Ricky's presentation is 40 minutes long (ending at about 48.5 minutes), and then there's half an hour of questions. List members might be interested in listening to the question session, also about their plans for releasing a corresponding iPhone app (which is going to require having the Desktop version of Docuscan Plus.) I would try putting the Accessible World Tek Talk feed address into Podcaster, and checking whether you can play or download the episode directly on your iOS device: double tap the "Directory" button (4th of 5 on the bottom), then double tap "Import" at the bottom of the list of options. In the text box where you're prompted to enter the feed URL or OPML URL, type or paste in the feed address I gave above to subscribe: feed://www.accessibleworld.org/category/site-categories/tek-talk-archives/feed HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 30, 2011, at 16:00, Mike Arrigo wrote: > Go to docuscanplus.com, there's a link there to purchase. > On Apr 30, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello everybody >> >> This relates specifically to DocuScan Plus. If it's already on your system so that the button in the app store is no longer usable, how do yu buy this programme? >> >> Lynne >> _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Sun May 1 05:13:42 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 23:13:42 -0500 Subject: Iphone WiFi and Authentication Message-ID: <201105010413.p414Dgkq038080@x.it.okstate.edu> Those of you who use your iphones on multiple WiFi networks should know the answer to this question. My wife has had her iphone for about 9 months and for around 8 of those, we have had a password-protected login through a Mac to our network. The phone asked for the password when we first set it all up but appeared to remember it for each new login, that is until this evening. My wife was in our back yard and attempted to use the WiFi connection and thinks she may have accidentally been hitting one of our neighbor's WiFi networks so it did not work, but when she got back in the house, the iphone asked for her to re-enter our WiFi password. Does logging in to a new WiFi network destroy the previous mapping? If that is the case, it explains everything. After we reminded ourselves what the password was, it worked just fine once again. My wife usually uses the 3G network when away from the house but she did once use a WiFi connection at my father's house but it did not require a password at the time which means that normally, the only authenticated WiFi network she ever uses is ours. Basically, I am just curious as the problem is solved already. From n0oxy at charter.net Sun May 1 05:31:31 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 23:31:31 -0500 Subject: How do you buyh In-Reply-To: <38710068-3AE8-4BC8-B524-F35406A2F1EA@mac-access.net> References: <05B16A27-5B66-4A34-98C3-EC1BB90BB5E4@charter.net> <38710068-3AE8-4BC8-B524-F35406A2F1EA@mac-access.net> Message-ID: You don't have to be running system access, but I think you do need to create an account. On Apr 30, 2011, at 9:02 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Mike > > yes, there is but it says you have to be running System Access. > > Lynne > > On 1 May 2011, at 03:00, Mike Arrigo wrote: > > Go to docuscanplus.com, there's a link there to purchase. > On Apr 30, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello everybody >> >> This relates specifically to DocuScan Plus. If it's already on your system so that the button in the app store is no longer usable, how do yu buy this programme? >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun May 1 05:37:06 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 21:37:06 -0700 Subject: Iphone WiFi and Authentication In-Reply-To: <201105010413.p414Dgkq038080@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201105010413.p414Dgkq038080@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <1BAD69EF-4F51-48FC-9FE3-1B7CF48ACDA1@gmail.com> Hmm it should remember as I"m logged in to a network at my school and a network at my house and it remember the pass words on both, unless I"m crazy which I probably am. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Apr 30, 2011, at 9:13 PM, Martin McCormick wrote: > Those of you who use your iphones on multiple WiFi networks > should know the answer to this question. > > My wife has had her iphone for about 9 months and for > around 8 of those, we have had a password-protected login > through a Mac to our network. The phone asked for the password > when we first set it all up but appeared to remember it for each > new login, that is until this evening. > > My wife was in our back yard and attempted to use the > WiFi connection and thinks she may have accidentally been > hitting one of our neighbor's WiFi networks so it did not work, > but when she got back in the house, the iphone asked for her to > re-enter our WiFi password. > > Does logging in to a new WiFi network destroy the > previous mapping? If that is the case, it explains everything. > > After we reminded ourselves what the password was, it > worked just fine once again. > > My wife usually uses the 3G network when away from the > house but she did once use a WiFi connection at my father's > house but it did not require a password at the time which means > that normally, the only authenticated WiFi network she ever uses > is ours. > > Basically, I am just curious as the problem is solved > already. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sun May 1 07:22:43 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 07:22:43 +0100 Subject: How do you buyh In-Reply-To: References: <05B16A27-5B66-4A34-98C3-EC1BB90BB5E4@charter.net> <38710068-3AE8-4BC8-B524-F35406A2F1EA@mac-access.net> Message-ID: no Lynne you don't. If you go to the www.docuscanplus.com site a purchase link is present I think Or wait until your seven days it up see what happenes On 1 May 2011, at 05:31, Mike Arrigo wrote: > You don't have to be running system access, but I think you do need to create an account. > On Apr 30, 2011, at 9:02 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Mike >> >> yes, there is but it says you have to be running System Access. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 1 May 2011, at 03:00, Mike Arrigo wrote: >> >> Go to docuscanplus.com, there's a link there to purchase. >> On Apr 30, 2011, at 7:47 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello everybody >>> >>> This relates specifically to DocuScan Plus. If it's already on your system so that the button in the app store is no longer usable, how do yu buy this programme? >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From smur7241 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 1 09:58:03 2011 From: smur7241 at bigpond.net.au (Sean Murphy) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 18:58:03 +1000 Subject: Recording an audio source and playing it back through your Squeezeboxsystem References: <417D7724-3D23-446F-B6F9-28890197A223@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <5277C72A868E4A03BF63F9548AD4630B@seans> Hi, does the squeezabox handle video? Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Trethowan" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:47 AM Subject: Recording an audio source and playing it back through your Squeezeboxsystem > Hi! > > I've been using a Squeezebox system to listen to audio for nearly a month > now, I've learnt more about the Squeezebox system and how it works than I > ever would have thought possible in the last few days thanks to the Ipeng > HD app which allows full remote control of your Squeezebox system from > your Iphone or Ipad including full interactivity but that for another time > perhaps. > > If you own Audio Hijack Pro and you regularly record such things as radio > or TV broadcasts then you can use the Squeezebox system in conjunction > with Audio Hijack to allow you convenient access to your recordings. > > Let's say that you record the evening news every day with Audio Hijack > Pro, you can write an automator workflow to add each recording as its made > to an Itunes playlist. > > Using Ipeng HD or any other method to control your Squeezebox system, you > can access the playlist your recordings have been added to and play them > in whatever order you fancy, usually the most recent order is preferred > . > > Examples of how to write such scripts are given in the Audio Hijack Pro > help manual. > > The playlists can be accessed in the normal way through Itunes too as > you'd expect. > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Sun May 1 11:14:06 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 20:14:06 +1000 Subject: Recording an audio source and playing it back through your Squeezeboxsystem In-Reply-To: <5277C72A868E4A03BF63F9548AD4630B@seans> References: <417D7724-3D23-446F-B6F9-28890197A223@internode.on.net> <5277C72A868E4A03BF63F9548AD4630B@seans> Message-ID: Na, just audio. On 01/05/2011, at 6:58 PM, Sean Murphy wrote: > Hi, > > does the squeezabox handle video? > > Sean > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Trethowan" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 9:47 AM > Subject: Recording an audio source and playing it back through your Squeezeboxsystem > > >> Hi! >> >> I've been using a Squeezebox system to listen to audio for nearly a month now, I've learnt more about the Squeezebox system and how it works than I ever would have thought possible in the last few days thanks to the Ipeng HD app which allows full remote control of your Squeezebox system from your Iphone or Ipad including full interactivity but that for another time perhaps. >> >> If you own Audio Hijack Pro and you regularly record such things as radio or TV broadcasts then you can use the Squeezebox system in conjunction with Audio Hijack to allow you convenient access to your recordings. >> >> Let's say that you record the evening news every day with Audio Hijack Pro, you can write an automator workflow to add each recording as its made to an Itunes playlist. >> >> Using Ipeng HD or any other method to control your Squeezebox system, you can access the playlist your recordings have been added to and play them in whatever order you fancy, usually the most recent order is preferred . >> >> Examples of how to write such scripts are given in the Audio Hijack Pro help manual. >> >> The playlists can be accessed in the normal way through Itunes too as you'd expect. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Sun May 1 12:22:38 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 12:22:38 +0100 Subject: How do you buyh In-Reply-To: References: <05B16A27-5B66-4A34-98C3-EC1BB90BB5E4@charter.net> <38710068-3AE8-4BC8-B524-F35406A2F1EA@mac-access.net> Message-ID: On 1 May 2011, at 05:31, Mike Arrigo wrote: You don't have to be running system access, but I think you do need to create an account. No Mike; you clearly aren't getting the point here. Obviously I must have an account to have tried the software. But when I try to log into that account, I get a message that say "You must install system access on art least 1 computer. It will not let me log in any further. Lynne From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 1 14:55:53 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 08:55:53 -0500 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm pretty sure the $299 pricetag includes an actual scanner. They don't seem to have a software only price anywhere on the site that I could find. From lynne at mac-access.net Sun May 1 15:04:33 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 15:04:33 +0100 Subject: Trying to buy DocuScanPlus Message-ID: <24F0235B-5332-4CF4-A526-31117214E0B5@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Here's what I get when I enter my account info and truy to log into the website to buy this programme: Log In Before you can log in to your System Access Mobile Network account this way, you must install and run System Access on at least one computer. Account number: PIN: Forgot your log-in information? ? Learn more at Serotek.com ? Need help? From n0oxy at charter.net Sun May 1 15:16:57 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 09:16:57 -0500 Subject: How do you buyh In-Reply-To: References: <05B16A27-5B66-4A34-98C3-EC1BB90BB5E4@charter.net> <38710068-3AE8-4BC8-B524-F35406A2F1EA@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <408A4E6A-D8B7-4FBE-ACBD-B277F8FB1AEA@charter.net> Hmmmmm, if that's the case, I would definitely let them know, that's a major issue since you can only do that when using windows. On May 1, 2011, at 6:22 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > > On 1 May 2011, at 05:31, Mike Arrigo wrote: > > You don't have to be running system access, but I think you do need to create an account. > No Mike; you clearly aren't getting the point here. Obviously I must have an account to have tried the software. But when I try to log into that account, I get a message that say "You must install system access on art least 1 computer. It will not let me log in any further. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Sun May 1 15:18:50 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 09:18:50 -0500 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> Message-ID: This price is only for the software, scanners are separate. On May 1, 2011, at 8:55 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: > I'm pretty sure the $299 pricetag includes an actual scanner. They don't seem to have a software only price anywhere on the site that I could find. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 1 16:04:08 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 10:04:08 -0500 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> Message-ID: <998FABBF-8BD6-46EB-885D-9B7957B91CFB@softcon.com> Ok, why do they recomend *not* using the built-in camera on the macs? I'd think this would be the first thing they'd integrate with, just to make things easier for mac users. Recomending that blind folks not use the camera that everyone else in the world takes great care to support, imo, is just silly. Unless the price comes down, and they begin supporting built-in cameras, I will not be using this software. From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Sun May 1 16:08:28 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 17:08:28 +0200 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: <998FABBF-8BD6-46EB-885D-9B7957B91CFB@softcon.com> References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> <998FABBF-8BD6-46EB-885D-9B7957B91CFB@softcon.com> Message-ID: <0621723B-528B-40B6-A133-C3EB90FB5CA9@gmail.com> Hi Travis, I can definitely agree with that. After seeing it, my wish to support that software dropped considerably. Also, I really am not that impressed with the OCR results I've been having, so that's all the same. Also, the interesting part is that they have Grade 1 for a lot of languages, but only Grade 2 for English. That's a bit disappointing, but I guess I might have been expecting too much. Regards, Nic Den May 1, 2011 kl. 5:04 PM skrev Travis Siegel: > Ok, why do they recomend *not* using the built-in camera on the macs? > I'd think this would be the first thing they'd integrate with, just to make things easier for mac users. > Recomending that blind folks not use the camera that everyone else in the world takes great care to support, imo, is just silly. > Unless the price comes down, and they begin supporting built-in cameras, I will not be using this software. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Sun May 1 16:13:43 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 05:13:43 -1000 Subject: Kobo on the IPad In-Reply-To: <61EBFE84-5D42-414C-AAA7-65946617B1BA@gmail.com> References: <61EBFE84-5D42-414C-AAA7-65946617B1BA@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Annie, I think that the issue of Kobo accessibility on the iPad is the same one that you encountered when you had to recently re-install a new version of Kobo on the iPhone -- the problem is that the newest releases of Kobo don't have any accessible way of changing the default library view to a list format. If you set this up already in an earlier version of the app this is all usable, and I think there are other list members (Jane?) using the Kobo app on the iPad. I have to confess, that even though I have Kobo already set up in the correct view on my iPad, I've avoided applying the update to version 4.3. (This is the same version that gave you problems on the iPhone). Although I did manage to get Kobo working from scratch for the iPhone/iPod Touch, and can now outline how to do this for the initial set up, I'm not looking forward to also trying to figure out how to start from scratch on my iPad. I've already sent in my customer report to Kobo. Just as a suggestion, can you try restoring your iPhone backup of apps to the new iPad? That might have your saved list view setting for the library, and automatically apply it to the Kobo iPad app, since this is a universal binary that works for both iPhone and iPad. HTH. If you really get stuck, I'll try to experiment with this after backing up my iPad, but I'm really hoping that Kobo customer support will get this solved -- I've sent them enough feedback! Cheers, Esther On Apr 29, 2011, at 23:02, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: > Hi all. > > Has anybody got kobo to work on an IPad. It seems inaccessible to me. I can not get to my library. I hope someone can help, I would be very glad. > > Best regards Annie.. From motten53 at gmail.com Sun May 1 16:38:05 2011 From: motten53 at gmail.com (Mary Otten) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 08:38:05 -0700 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: <998FABBF-8BD6-46EB-885D-9B7957B91CFB@softcon.com> References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> <998FABBF-8BD6-46EB-885D-9B7957B91CFB@softcon.com> Message-ID: <53A5C576-645C-4000-9CD9-DC26637AA8A7@gmail.com> I got the impression they recommend against using the built in camera because it would be more difficult to get a good image, suitible for ocr of a document, or a book, if you had to hold that object up with a very steady hand for the picture to be taken. Surely, this problem is a contributing factor to the more consistent luck people seem to have with, say the KNFB product as opposed to those which rely on you to hold a phone still while you take a picture, as happens with the IPhone scanning apps? The product does see the built in camera, so you're welcome to use it. They just don't recommend it. Mary Mary Otten motten53 at gmail.com From krbarry at gmail.com Sun May 1 17:17:10 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 12:17:10 -0400 Subject: VM Ware fusion, installing VM tools, stuck, Message-ID: <4dbd8788.1463dc0a.603a.2dd4@mx.google.com> I have installed VMWare Fusion on my Mac along with a copy of Win7 Home premium. the OS seems to have installed just fine judging by the Windows startup sound I get however I am prompted to install VM Tools. when I do this I am told to click on install which I do. the VM Ware disk spins but then nothing appears to happen. I looked on the disk itself and there are only three applications listed with no subfolders, but I was looking from finder on the Mac. My speech program doesn't talk with windows, I expect, due to the lack of VM Tools. any ideas, please help. thanks. kevin Kevin Barry If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. From sadamahmed1992 at gmail.com Sun May 1 17:27:40 2011 From: sadamahmed1992 at gmail.com (sadam ahmed) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 02:27:40 +1000 Subject: how to run windows on my macbook pro Message-ID: <449DC216-1CE7-4EA8-BD9C-5330EA20E1F6@gmail.com> HI all, i will be soon selling my windows computer and was wondering how to run windows 7 on my macbook pro? and if i can run JAWS on the mac? cheers! and warm regards, sadam. From roger.firman at btinternet.com Sun May 1 17:42:43 2011 From: roger.firman at btinternet.com (Roger Firman) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 17:42:43 +0100 Subject: how to run windows on my macbook pro In-Reply-To: <449DC216-1CE7-4EA8-BD9C-5330EA20E1F6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello, We are reminded that this List does not deal with how to run applications having installed VMWare Fusion. Installation of Fusion is, as I understand it, a topic which can be discussed. No doubt those responsible for administering this Group will advise us if what I have said is incorrect. Regards, Roger. From roger.firman at btinternet.com Sun May 1 17:46:34 2011 From: roger.firman at btinternet.com (Roger Firman) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 17:46:34 +0100 Subject: VM Ware fusion, installing VM tools, stuck, In-Reply-To: <4dbd8788.1463dc0a.603a.2dd4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Kevin, I am certainly no expert on this and I have no doubt that far more knowledgeable members of the Group can assist you. However, I have just had a read of the website for VMWare Fusion and I gained the impression that all the necessary tools should be included. If you have made a new purchase you should be able to seek free support via email. I hope some of the above might be of help. Regards, Roger. From lavendar at bell.net Sun May 1 17:50:09 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 12:50:09 -0400 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: <33F260FC-6ED3-4D58-9651-220F60C87747@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> <4DBAD952.4090308@internode.on.net> <81D2EE55-2CAD-40EF-AA55-4B4F66DA42BD@gmail.com> <33F260FC-6ED3-4D58-9651-220F60C87747@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Chris, I have the 7 day trial. Go to www.docuscanplus.com You can follow the link there to sign up, etc. Barring that, call up tech support and the nice folks can probably help. Cait On Apr 29, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > Has anyone successfully got the 7 day trial for the Mac? Every time I try to log in I am asked to install System Access which is a tad tricky on the Mac. > > PS Nick, yo came across well on the Mobile Access podcast. > > > On 29 Apr 2011, at 16:32, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi Dane, >> >> I'm glad for your response. :) >> >> I don't doubt the company, since I honestly think that it's fantastic that they're offering screen readers and a lot of other services at a very good price. The company even has a finance program, so you can pay on a monthly basis at a low price to eventually pay off the full price. I haven't seen a lot of companies do this, particularly those catering to the needs of visually impaired users. >> >> Again, I follow the concept that you worded differently than I did, but the exact same one. :) >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> >> >> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Well I can't comment as I don't use a Mac for scanning - well at least not at the moment and I don't see any point in changing what I do, "if it ain't broke then don't fix it" but what I do know is that the company who made this app are committed to accessibility and good tech support, I own one of their other products here and the support for that is excellent. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 30/04/2011 1:26 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>> Hi Dane, >>>> >>>> yeah, I will. Also, I just can't justify the $299 price tag. Sure, I can retrieve my information from the cloud, but at the same time, that's not really a feature I care about since I'm either collaborating with Dropbox, keeping my documents stored on an external drive or on the iPhone via a host of applications. I can use Mac OS X services to convert my file to an audio format, even though DocuScan+ probably can do it without having to convert to text prior to performing that task. >>>> >>>> Perhaps I'm being too harsh on the developers of the product, since I honestly think it's nice that there are more solutions available, and obviously this is just my personal opinion. >>>> >>>> I'll stick with what I'm happy with until I'm unhappy with it. If I become unhappy, maybe I'll consider it, but until then I'm not counting on spending money on a program that might produce just as fantastic result as my current solution. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic >>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can't answer those questions, I suggest you look at the URL and see if some of those questions are answered for you there. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 30/04/2011 1:16 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>> Hi! >>>>>> >>>>>> As usual, I want to compare this product to other similar products+ that probably do as good as a job as this one. I just can't help myself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course, if this product has an OCR engine which renders a document with a 99.5% success rate, then I might swap it with the current one, but somehow I doubt that's the case. What I already use is perfectly accessible, and my PDFs, including scans have been without errors particularly recently. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, does it support multiple languages? If not, that's already a personal dealbreaker for me, since I need to do OCR in Danish no matter how good the engine is. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Nic >>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Okay, here's another fully accessible piece of software developed for the blind and visually impaired that won't set you back an arm and a leg. Its a piece of OCR software from a company that produces software you can invest in for the rest of your life, once you buy the software then that's it, a lifetime's worth of upgrades for nothing, continued tech support etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=432595763&mt=12 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lynne at mac-access.net Sun May 1 18:16:27 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 18:16:27 +0100 Subject: VM Ware fusion, installing VM tools, stuck, In-Reply-To: <4dbd8788.1463dc0a.603a.2dd4@mx.google.com> References: <4dbd8788.1463dc0a.603a.2dd4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7347CCEC-E5D7-4B3D-98A2-E7C4E4E2D6DD@mac-access.net> Kevin This takes some time but just let it run. On 1 May 2011, at 17:17, Kevin Barry wrote: I have installed VMWare Fusion on my Mac along with a copy of Win7 Home premium. the OS seems to have installed just fine judging by the Windows startup sound I get however I am prompted to install VM Tools. when I do this I am told to click on install which I do. the VM Ware disk spins but then nothing appears to happen. I looked on the disk itself and there are only three applications listed with no subfolders, but I was looking from finder on the Mac. My speech program doesn't talk with windows, I expect, due to the lack of VM Tools. any ideas, please help. thanks. kevin Kevin Barry If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Sun May 1 18:18:33 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 18:18:33 +0100 Subject: how to run windows on my macbook pro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A867E88-4A4F-4C00-87DE-C64497708C01@mac-access.net> Hello Roger You are correct. The configuration of Windows is off topic for this group. You may discuss the settings of the virtual machine itself; but not Windows. On 1 May 2011, at 17:42, Roger Firman wrote: Hello, We are reminded that this List does not deal with how to run applications having installed VMWare Fusion. Installation of Fusion is, as I understand it, a topic which can be discussed. No doubt those responsible for administering this Group will advise us if what I have said is incorrect. Regards, Roger. _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Sun May 1 18:21:44 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 18:21:44 +0100 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> <4DBAD952.4090308@internode.on.net> <81D2EE55-2CAD-40EF-AA55-4B4F66DA42BD@gmail.com> <33F260FC-6ED3-4D58-9651-220F60C87747@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Hello Cait It is we, not Christ, who is having this problem I thnk. I would point out that a call to tech support would e an expensive exercise from overseas. I don't plan to spend more money helping them fix what should never be broken in the first place. Lynne On 1 May 2011, at 17:50, Caitlyn Furness wrote: Chris, I have the 7 day trial. Go to www.docuscanplus.com You can follow the link there to sign up, etc. Barring that, call up tech support and the nice folks can probably help. Cait On Apr 29, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > Has anyone successfully got the 7 day trial for the Mac? Every time I try to log in I am asked to install System Access which is a tad tricky on the Mac. > > PS Nick, yo came across well on the Mobile Access podcast. > > > On 29 Apr 2011, at 16:32, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi Dane, >> >> I'm glad for your response. :) >> >> I don't doubt the company, since I honestly think that it's fantastic that they're offering screen readers and a lot of other services at a very good price. The company even has a finance program, so you can pay on a monthly basis at a low price to eventually pay off the full price. I haven't seen a lot of companies do this, particularly those catering to the needs of visually impaired users. >> >> Again, I follow the concept that you worded differently than I did, but the exact same one. :) >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> >> >> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Well I can't comment as I don't use a Mac for scanning - well at least not at the moment and I don't see any point in changing what I do, "if it ain't broke then don't fix it" but what I do know is that the company who made this app are committed to accessibility and good tech support, I own one of their other products here and the support for that is excellent. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 30/04/2011 1:26 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>> Hi Dane, >>>> >>>> yeah, I will. Also, I just can't justify the $299 price tag. Sure, I can retrieve my information from the cloud, but at the same time, that's not really a feature I care about since I'm either collaborating with Dropbox, keeping my documents stored on an external drive or on the iPhone via a host of applications. I can use Mac OS X services to convert my file to an audio format, even though DocuScan+ probably can do it without having to convert to text prior to performing that task. >>>> >>>> Perhaps I'm being too harsh on the developers of the product, since I honestly think it's nice that there are more solutions available, and obviously this is just my personal opinion. >>>> >>>> I'll stick with what I'm happy with until I'm unhappy with it. If I become unhappy, maybe I'll consider it, but until then I'm not counting on spending money on a program that might produce just as fantastic result as my current solution. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic >>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can't answer those questions, I suggest you look at the URL and see if some of those questions are answered for you there. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 30/04/2011 1:16 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>> Hi! >>>>>> >>>>>> As usual, I want to compare this product to other similar products+ that probably do as good as a job as this one. I just can't help myself. >>>>>> >>>>>> Of course, if this product has an OCR engine which renders a document with a 99.5% success rate, then I might swap it with the current one, but somehow I doubt that's the case. What I already use is perfectly accessible, and my PDFs, including scans have been without errors particularly recently. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, does it support multiple languages? If not, that's already a personal dealbreaker for me, since I need to do OCR in Danish no matter how good the engine is. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Nic >>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Okay, here's another fully accessible piece of software developed for the blind and visually impaired that won't set you back an arm and a leg. Its a piece of OCR software from a company that produces software you can invest in for the rest of your life, once you buy the software then that's it, a lifetime's worth of upgrades for nothing, continued tech support etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=432595763&mt=12 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lavendar at bell.net Sun May 1 18:51:40 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 13:51:40 -0400 Subject: docuscan plus In-Reply-To: <4686FA70-8DB0-4B0A-A4AF-76777F914D0C@gmail.com> References: <4686FA70-8DB0-4B0A-A4AF-76777F914D0C@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm in the process of trying it now. I'm getting about the same accuracey as I did with k1000, actually, so far, anyway. I am planning on trying abbyy fine reader express and vu scan, also, just to try and be fair, although, they really aren't the same except that they are scanning software. I just did a pdf with docuscan and it did a good job. Caitlyn On Apr 30, 2011, at 2:59 AM, william lomas wrote: > > hi all, has anyone tried docuscan plus for mac? > This is made by the same company who do system access etc. i don't think much of the accuracy, going to try the same documents I used with openbook and see what results I get > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From Mattchao at verizon.net Sun May 1 19:18:54 2011 From: Mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 14:18:54 -0400 Subject: Reading PDF Files Message-ID: Hi, All! What's the best way to read PDF docs on a MacBook? Whenever I open a pdf file, I get preview. Isn't Adobe Reader installed on MacBooks? Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to provide. Matthew Chao From lynne at mac-access.net Sun May 1 19:23:00 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 19:23:00 +0100 Subject: Reading PDF Files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10C71D0D-495D-45E3-93B9-911422B85F85@mac-access.net> Hello Matthew On 1 May 2011, at 19:18, Matthew Chao wrote: ? What's the best way to read PDF docs on a MacBook? Whenever I open a pdf file, I ge preview. Isn't Adobe Reader installed on MacBooks? Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to provide. Adobe isn't used by default on Mac OSX, but I believe it's available as an option. Many people use Preview which is the default reading application. But we find it very restrictive; especially with VoiceOver. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun May 1 19:30:16 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 11:30:16 -0700 Subject: docuscan plus In-Reply-To: References: <4686FA70-8DB0-4B0A-A4AF-76777F914D0C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <377E14BE-CB92-435A-9BF7-F7CB88AA6CCD@gmail.com> lol. I get no image pdfs as the teachers and companies I ask are willingn and able to put it in different formates for me. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 1, 2011, at 10:51 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > I'm in the process of trying it now. I'm getting about the same accuracey as I did with k1000, actually, so far, anyway. I am planning on trying abbyy fine reader express and vu scan, also, just to try and be fair, although, they really aren't the same except that they are scanning software. > > I just did a pdf with docuscan and it did a good job. > > Caitlyn > > On Apr 30, 2011, at 2:59 AM, william lomas wrote: > >> >> hi all, has anyone tried docuscan plus for mac? >> This is made by the same company who do system access etc. i don't think much of the accuracy, going to try the same documents I used with openbook and see what results I get >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun May 1 19:31:11 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 11:31:11 -0700 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: <0621723B-528B-40B6-A133-C3EB90FB5CA9@gmail.com> References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> <998FABBF-8BD6-46EB-885D-9B7957B91CFB@softcon.com> <0621723B-528B-40B6-A133-C3EB90FB5CA9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <552A3D93-C78F-4FE7-8317-CA455EC77AED@gmail.com> Now can you use teh built in camera? that thing is on the monitor so there is no way to use teh camera to scann an envelope. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 1, 2011, at 8:08 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi Travis, > > I can definitely agree with that. After seeing it, my wish to support that software dropped considerably. Also, I really am not that impressed with the OCR results I've been having, so that's all the same. Also, the interesting part is that they have Grade 1 for a lot of languages, but only Grade 2 for English. That's a bit disappointing, but I guess I might have been expecting too much. > > Regards, > Nic > Den May 1, 2011 kl. 5:04 PM skrev Travis Siegel: > >> Ok, why do they recomend *not* using the built-in camera on the macs? >> I'd think this would be the first thing they'd integrate with, just to make things easier for mac users. >> Recomending that blind folks not use the camera that everyone else in the world takes great care to support, imo, is just silly. >> Unless the price comes down, and they begin supporting built-in cameras, I will not be using this software. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From Mattchao at verizon.net Sun May 1 19:36:11 2011 From: Mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 14:36:11 -0400 Subject: Reading PDF Files In-Reply-To: <10C71D0D-495D-45E3-93B9-911422B85F85@mac-access.net> References: <10C71D0D-495D-45E3-93B9-911422B85F85@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <1CB17933-AE65-4946-AEB5-6DB49D632FBA@verizon.net> Hi, Lynne! Yes, I've noticed that Preview's not easy to work with. Navigation in this app's a pain. So, Adobe Reader for the Mac can be downloaded from the Adobe site? Are there other pdf readers that can do the job? Thanks. Matthew Chao On May 1, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Matthew > > On 1 May 2011, at 19:18, Matthew Chao wrote: > > ? What's the best way to read PDF docs on a MacBook? Whenever I open a pdf file, I ge preview. Isn't Adobe Reader installed on MacBooks? Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to provide. > > Adobe isn't used by default on Mac OSX, but I believe it's available as an option. > > Many people use Preview which is the default reading application. But we find it very restrictive; especially with VoiceOver. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Sun May 1 19:43:45 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 19:43:45 +0100 Subject: Reading PDF Files In-Reply-To: <1CB17933-AE65-4946-AEB5-6DB49D632FBA@verizon.net> References: <10C71D0D-495D-45E3-93B9-911422B85F85@mac-access.net> <1CB17933-AE65-4946-AEB5-6DB49D632FBA@verizon.net> Message-ID: <2F320639-8B91-4021-8813-68769821E3DA@mac-access.net> Hello Matthew On 1 May 2011, at 19:36, Matthew Chao wrote: ? Yes, I've noticed that Preview's not easy to work with. Navigation in this app's a pain. So, Adobe Reader for the Mac can be downloaded from the Adobe site? Are there other pdf readers that can do the job? Thanks. There are several options I believe. VisioVoice from AssistiveWare; Ghostreader from the same people. But those are not free options so many won't be interested. :) Things like SSkim is probably your best option if you want just a reader. Skim is an editor as well I think but I'm not sure if the edit functions are accessible or not. Lynne From Mattchao at verizon.net Sun May 1 19:54:27 2011 From: Mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 14:54:27 -0400 Subject: Reading PDF Files In-Reply-To: <2F320639-8B91-4021-8813-68769821E3DA@mac-access.net> References: <10C71D0D-495D-45E3-93B9-911422B85F85@mac-access.net> <1CB17933-AE65-4946-AEB5-6DB49D632FBA@verizon.net> <2F320639-8B91-4021-8813-68769821E3DA@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0D0804D3-8A66-4B87-B9CC-85513CCF14AC@verizon.net> Hi, Lynne! I don't mind paying a modest fee for something, so long as it's good and gets the job done with a minimum of fuss. On that basis, what would you recommend, and what's the Web site? Thanks. Matthew Chao P.S. Enjoy the Take Control books. Easier to read on a PC than with Preview on the Mac. On May 1, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Matthew > > On 1 May 2011, at 19:36, Matthew Chao wrote: > > ? Yes, I've noticed that Preview's not easy to work with. Navigation in this app's a pain. So, Adobe Reader for the Mac can be downloaded from the Adobe site? Are there other pdf readers that can do the job? Thanks. > > There are several options I believe. VisioVoice from AssistiveWare; Ghostreader from the same people. But those are not free options so many won't be interested. :) > > Things like SSkim is probably your best option if you want just a reader. Skim is an editor as well I think but I'm not sure if the edit functions are accessible or not. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Sun May 1 19:57:43 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 19:57:43 +0100 Subject: Reading PDF Files In-Reply-To: <0D0804D3-8A66-4B87-B9CC-85513CCF14AC@verizon.net> References: <10C71D0D-495D-45E3-93B9-911422B85F85@mac-access.net> <1CB17933-AE65-4946-AEB5-6DB49D632FBA@verizon.net> <2F320639-8B91-4021-8813-68769821E3DA@mac-access.net> <0D0804D3-8A66-4B87-B9CC-85513CCF14AC@verizon.net> Message-ID: <8103D643-381D-4447-B009-172895F16C43@mac-access.net> Matthew Write us off list and we'll try to help you. Lynne On 1 May 2011, at 19:54, Matthew Chao wrote: Hi, Lynne! I don't mind paying a modest fee for something, so long as it's good and gets the job done with a minimum of fuss. On that basis, what would you recommend, and what's the Web site? Thanks. Matthew Chao P.S. Enjoy the Take Control books. Easier to read on a PC than with Preview on the Mac. On May 1, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Matthew > > On 1 May 2011, at 19:36, Matthew Chao wrote: > > ? Yes, I've noticed that Preview's not easy to work with. Navigation in this app's a pain. So, Adobe Reader for the Mac can be downloaded from the Adobe site? Are there other pdf readers that can do the job? Thanks. > > There are several options I believe. VisioVoice from AssistiveWare; Ghostreader from the same people. But those are not free options so many won't be interested. :) > > Things like SSkim is probably your best option if you want just a reader. Skim is an editor as well I think but I'm not sure if the edit functions are accessible or not. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From Mattchao at verizon.net Sun May 1 20:07:25 2011 From: Mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 15:07:25 -0400 Subject: Reading PDF Files In-Reply-To: <8103D643-381D-4447-B009-172895F16C43@mac-access.net> References: <10C71D0D-495D-45E3-93B9-911422B85F85@mac-access.net> <1CB17933-AE65-4946-AEB5-6DB49D632FBA@verizon.net> <2F320639-8B91-4021-8813-68769821E3DA@mac-access.net> <0D0804D3-8A66-4B87-B9CC-85513CCF14AC@verizon.net> <8103D643-381D-4447-B009-172895F16C43@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <144498F2-8F84-4271-A264-4311C8AECDB5@verizon.net> Hi, Lynne! Will do. Matthew Chao On May 1, 2011, at 2:57 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Matthew > > Write us off list and we'll try to help you. > > Lynne > > On 1 May 2011, at 19:54, Matthew Chao wrote: > > Hi, Lynne! I don't mind paying a modest fee for something, so long as it's good and gets the job done with a minimum of fuss. On that basis, what would you recommend, and what's the Web site? Thanks. > > Matthew Chao > > P.S. Enjoy the Take Control books. Easier to read on a PC than with Preview on the Mac. > > > On May 1, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Matthew >> >> On 1 May 2011, at 19:36, Matthew Chao wrote: >> >> ? Yes, I've noticed that Preview's not easy to work with. Navigation in this app's a pain. So, Adobe Reader for the Mac can be downloaded from the Adobe site? Are there other pdf readers that can do the job? Thanks. >> >> There are several options I believe. VisioVoice from AssistiveWare; Ghostreader from the same people. But those are not free options so many won't be interested. :) >> >> Things like SSkim is probably your best option if you want just a reader. Skim is an editor as well I think but I'm not sure if the edit functions are accessible or not. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 1 20:28:49 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 14:28:49 -0500 Subject: docuscan plus In-Reply-To: References: <4686FA70-8DB0-4B0A-A4AF-76777F914D0C@gmail.com> Message-ID: On May 1, 2011, at 12:51 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > > I just did a pdf with docuscan and it did a good job. To be perfectly honest, I'm extremely puzzled why the ocr a pdf option is there for pdf files that aren't images. OSX reads pdf files just fine, so having another program that takes longer, and may or may not have the same accuracy as reading the pdf directly using preview, softcon pdf reader, or any number of other pdf readers on the mac is just a bit silly (imo) Of course, I suppose it was easy enough to add, and it doesn't hurt to be comprehensive I suppose, but in that case, it's not really ocring the pdf file, it's simply using osx libraries to yank the content, so why call it ocr anyhow? I realize it's more a matter of symantecs than anything else, but still, it irritates me when programs claim to do something they're not actually doing. If it's a pdf with images, then by all means, ocr it, but otherwise, don't tell me you're recognizing the document, when all you're doing is asking the os for the text out of the file. And, if they are actually performing ocr on such pdf files, it's a waste of cpu cycles, and they ought to be shot for wasting my time. Anyway, that's my thoughts on the matter, take them or leave them as you desire. From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 1 20:32:04 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 14:32:04 -0500 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: <552A3D93-C78F-4FE7-8317-CA455EC77AED@gmail.com> References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> <998FABBF-8BD6-46EB-885D-9B7957B91CFB@softcon.com> <0621723B-528B-40B6-A133-C3EB90FB5CA9@gmail.com> <552A3D93-C78F-4FE7-8317-CA455EC77AED@gmail.com> Message-ID: On May 1, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Now can you use teh built in camera? that thing is on the monitor > so there is no way to use teh camera to scann an envelope. Why not? I've used the built-in Isite camera many times to scan things into the computer. As long as you have it held far enough back from the camera it fits in the field of view, then there's no problem. Obviously, you can't hold an 8x11.5 paper 2 inches from the camera and expect it to get the whole thing, but if you hold it a foot or two from the camera, then it works just fine, what's the problem? From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 1 20:40:26 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 14:40:26 -0500 Subject: Reading PDF Files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6346A373-0ACA-4112-829F-39A776F582CF@softcon.com> I'm honestly a little puzzled at folks being unwilling to use preview to read pdf files. I've used preview on every single pdf file I've ever opened on the mac, and except for a sometimes tendency to put spaces where they don't belong, I've never had a problem with any pdf file that wasn't protected or image based. What is it about this app that makes folks hate it so much? The only reason I released softcon pdf viewer was because at the time, preview did not have a read continuous option. It does now, so softcon pdf viewer is largely redundant, but I leave it on the site for folks who want it, or are still using tiger for whatever reason, since preview needs leopard to do it's continuous reading thing. Admittedly, I've not used complicated layouts, but take control books, fictionwise files, and various other sources of pdf books haven't usually offered me any trouble using preview. I'm honestly puzzled what it is that makes folks look for alternatives, especially considering all of the other options (including adobe's reader) are less accessible. Softcon pdf viewer is close, but even it isn't 100 percent accessible what with the side notes and editing features not working with vo, but preview is simply a viewer, so what is it about this app that makes folks want to abandon it so much? From Mattchao at verizon.net Sun May 1 20:47:53 2011 From: Mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 15:47:53 -0400 Subject: Reading PDF Files In-Reply-To: <6346A373-0ACA-4112-829F-39A776F582CF@softcon.com> References: <6346A373-0ACA-4112-829F-39A776F582CF@softcon.com> Message-ID: Hi, Travis! There must be something I'm missing using Preview; can't figure out how to read either by character or word, or go to the next page smoothly, etc. So, hence, I can't say I'm crazy about Preview. Add to that the fact I'm a relatively new Mac user who's trying to do some real work on a new OS, and it's frustrating at times. Matthew Chao On May 1, 2011, at 3:40 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > I'm honestly a little puzzled at folks being unwilling to use preview to read pdf files. > I've used preview on every single pdf file I've ever opened on the mac, and except for a sometimes tendency to put spaces where they don't belong, I've never had a problem with any pdf file that wasn't protected or image based. > What is it about this app that makes folks hate it so much? > The only reason I released softcon pdf viewer was because at the time, preview did not have a read continuous option. It does now, so softcon pdf viewer is largely redundant, but I leave it on the site for folks who want it, or are still using tiger for whatever reason, since preview needs leopard to do it's continuous reading thing. > Admittedly, I've not used complicated layouts, but take control books, fictionwise files, and various other sources of pdf books haven't usually offered me any trouble using preview. > I'm honestly puzzled what it is that makes folks look for alternatives, especially considering all of the other options (including adobe's reader) are less accessible. > Softcon pdf viewer is close, but even it isn't 100 percent accessible what with the side notes and editing features not working with vo, but preview is simply a viewer, so what is it about this app that makes folks want to abandon it so much? > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Sun May 1 20:48:15 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 09:48:15 -1000 Subject: Copying cassettes to Mac with ION USB deck In-Reply-To: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02C8DFDD58A6@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02C8DFDD58A6@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: <894805C6-7EE7-431F-9334-7B5CC217A4C1@mac.com> Hi Sunil, On Apr 29, 2011, at 23:55, Sunil Peck wrote: > Hi, > > I'm intending to do something which I've been wanting to do for about six years, transfer boxes of tapes onto a hard drive. If I remember posts to one blind email list right, the software that comes with the ION decks for copying tapes to the hard drive is accessible with Windows screenreaders. > > Is this the case with the Mac? If not, can anyone recommend an alternative? I have Amadeus Pro installed, can I use that instead of the software that comes with the tape deck maybe? > > Cheers for your help. > > Sunil > Transferring audio content from cassette tapes was one of the first things I did with my Mac, and if you already have Amadeus Pro, you're all set. There's a Blind Cool Tech episode by Eric Karon: "Amadeus Pro Vinyl to CD" (January 27, 2010) that outlines all the steps. I just ran an RCA Y connector (RCA plugs to Left and Right sound input, standard 3.5mm mini-jack connector out) from my tape deck to my Mac laptop. For somewhat better sound in, you can connect this to your USB port using a Griffin iMic instead of going directly through line-in: http://www.griffintechnology.com/products/imic This arrangement is surprisingly robust: a friend digitized a lot of her old spoken word cassettes by just using a mini-jack connector to the iMic from an old Sony Walkman, and then using a program like Amadeus Pro to record it on her MacBook. My 6-year old iMic is still being used to digitize old cassettes for listening on my iPad. I just plug the iMic into the USB Camera Kit Connector for the iPad's docking port. Presumably your ION has a USB connector that you can plug directly into your Mac, but it's quite easy to do this with any standard tape deck or even an old Sony Walkman player. Cheers, Esther From moriond at mac.com Sun May 1 21:19:35 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 10:19:35 -1000 Subject: Reading PDF Files In-Reply-To: <6346A373-0ACA-4112-829F-39A776F582CF@softcon.com> References: <6346A373-0ACA-4112-829F-39A776F582CF@softcon.com> Message-ID: <2A549763-79D9-4077-8412-9C9F1D07E357@mac.com> Hi Travis, Matthew, and Others, On May 1, 2011, at 09:40, Travis Siegel wrote: > I'm honestly a little puzzled at folks being unwilling to use preview to read pdf files. > I've used preview on every single pdf file I've ever opened on the mac, and except for a sometimes tendency to put spaces where they don't belong, I've never had a problem with any pdf file that wasn't protected or image based. > What is it about this app that makes folks hate it so much? > The only reason I released softcon pdf viewer was because at the time, preview did not have a read continuous option. It does now, so softcon pdf viewer is largely redundant, but I leave it on the site for folks who want it, or are still using tiger for whatever reason, since preview needs leopard to do it's continuous reading thing. > Admittedly, I've not used complicated layouts, but take control books, fictionwise files, and various other sources of pdf books haven't usually offered me any trouble using preview. > I'm honestly puzzled what it is that makes folks look for alternatives, especially considering all of the other options (including adobe's reader) are less accessible. > Softcon pdf viewer is close, but even it isn't 100 percent accessible what with the side notes and editing features not working with vo, but preview is simply a viewer, so what is it about this app that makes folks want to abandon it so much? I think the reason that people have trouble with Preview at first is that the concept of interacting with the text is still not natural, and so consequently, because they haven't remembered to interact, they constantly lose their position in the document when they try to navigate. The other (minor) thing is that occasionally people can't automatically read beyond a single page, because when they check View > PDF Display from the Preview menu bar, their PDF Display view is set to "Single Page" instead of "Single Page Continuous". I was going to comment on your remark in another thread about Docuscan Plus that: "To be perfectly honest, I'm extremely puzzled why the ocr a pdf option is there for pdf files that aren't images." with a reminder that this works on both Mac and Windows, and suggest that perhaps people wanted to OCR the PDF files so that they could read them as RTF text files and not have to use Adobe Reader. (Sorry, didn't want to be too facetious about that, but although I know how to use Adobe Reader, I avoid it if possible. It has one of the least intuitive interfaces that I know of, and I have to consult my notes to refresh my memory every time I use it.) I know that Simon (an experienced user) was complaining that he'd occasionally be jumped to the top of a page, but I think that might happen more when you mix your access modes (e.g. Trackpad commander gestures with key combinations for navigating, since he has a MacBook Air, the lucky fellow!) I tend to use VO-right and left arrow for word navigation, VO-Shift-right and left arrow for character navigation, VO-w for current word, VO-c for current character, VO-l for current line, VO-Up and Down arrow for line navigation, and all those other old commands that date back from Tiger. These are also the shortcuts that come up when you use VO-H-H and look under "Text". Very old-fashioned, I know. The other comment I'd make is that I did find Preview under Leopard less stable than Skim for certain operations, such as finding text and navigating to it, but Skim is basically "Preview on steroids" with the same basic interface, and a second sidebar to support annotations, if you choose to use this feature. Cheers, Esther From annieskovnielsen at gmail.com Sun May 1 21:21:38 2011 From: annieskovnielsen at gmail.com (Annie Skov Nielsen) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 22:21:38 +0200 Subject: Kobo on the IPad In-Reply-To: References: <61EBFE84-5D42-414C-AAA7-65946617B1BA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <62F8879F-84BD-4ED6-AF48-D6E36D431B89@gmail.com> Hi Ester. The problems on the IPad is worse. You can not go to the library as far as I see, if I can go into the library, I can do the same trick as on the IPhone. It seems as if the library button is not there. I will try to do something tomorrow, I have reported the problem to kobo, but you know my english is not very advanged. Best regards Annie. On May 1, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Annie, > > I think that the issue of Kobo accessibility on the iPad is the same one that you encountered when you had to recently re-install a new version of Kobo on the iPhone -- the problem is that the newest releases of Kobo don't have any accessible way of changing the default library view to a list format. If you set this up already in an earlier version of the app this is all usable, and I think there are other list members (Jane?) using the Kobo app on the iPad. I have to confess, that even though I have Kobo already set up in the correct view on my iPad, I've avoided applying the update to version 4.3. (This is the same version that gave you problems on the iPhone). Although I did manage to get Kobo working from scratch for the iPhone/iPod Touch, and can now outline how to do this for the initial set up, I'm not looking forward to also trying to figure out how to start from scratch on my iPad. I've already sent in my customer report to Kobo. Just as a suggestion, can you try > restoring your iPhone backup of apps to the new iPad? That might have your saved list view setting for the library, and automatically apply it to the Kobo iPad app, since this is a universal binary that works for both iPhone and iPad. > > HTH. If you really get stuck, I'll try to experiment with this after backing up my iPad, but I'm really hoping that Kobo customer support will get this solved -- I've sent them enough feedback! Cheers, > > Esther > > On Apr 29, 2011, at 23:02, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: > >> Hi all. >> >> Has anybody got kobo to work on an IPad. It seems inaccessible to me. I can not get to my library. I hope someone can help, I would be very glad. >> >> Best regards Annie.. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 1 21:27:21 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 15:27:21 -0500 Subject: Reading PDF Files In-Reply-To: References: <6346A373-0ACA-4112-829F-39A776F582CF@softcon.com> Message-ID: <793C8412-E1FF-44ED-9631-264A832021AC@softcon.com> There's one of two ways you can go to the next page. First, if you have your page view set to single, you can just use command-right arrow to go to the next page, or command-left arrow to go to previous page. On the other hand, if you have your page view set to single page continuous, you can simply interact with the viewing area, then just use your vo up/down as you normally would, and page boundaries will not bother you at all. You can even use the vo-a for read all to begin reading from your current position. Be sure to interact with the viewing area before doing this, or vo will not track your location, and each time you leave the viewing area and return to it, you'll be back at the top of the document. I use both modes, depending on what I'm reading. If I'm reading magazines, full text books, or the like, I use single page continuous, so that I can just vo-a and read straight through. If I'm reading technical material, or stuff that doesn't lend itself well to continuous reading, I choose single page mode, then change the pages myself as I get to the end of each page. This gives me more control, and allows me to find pieces of text on the current page that may need rereading, or letter-by-letter navigation or word- by-word navigation. Really, that's all there is to it. Very straightforward, and (imo) quite simple. From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun May 1 21:30:09 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 13:30:09 -0700 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> <998FABBF-8BD6-46EB-885D-9B7957B91CFB@softcon.com> <0621723B-528B-40B6-A133-C3EB90FB5CA9@gmail.com> <552A3D93-C78F-4FE7-8317-CA455EC77AED@gmail.com> Message-ID: the problem is acuracy. you cannot keep yoru hands steady while trying to find a button wiht your toe to push the shudder button. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 1, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > > On May 1, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Now can you use teh built in camera? that thing is on the monitor so there is no way to use teh camera to scann an envelope. > Why not? > I've used the built-in Isite camera many times to scan things into the computer. As long as you have it held far enough back from the camera it fits in the field of view, then there's no problem. Obviously, you can't hold an 8x11.5 paper 2 inches from the camera and expect it to get the whole thing, but if you hold it a foot or two from the camera, then it works just fine, what's the problem? > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun May 1 21:31:15 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 13:31:15 -0700 Subject: docuscan plus In-Reply-To: References: <4686FA70-8DB0-4B0A-A4AF-76777F914D0C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <689DA8FA-D1E6-46C1-A66F-B6B3E022315B@gmail.com> pdfs that are images can't be read with a screen reader. you need a way to turn the image in to text. Think of a image pdf as a piece of paper that you can't read like an envelope. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 1, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > > On May 1, 2011, at 12:51 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> >> I just did a pdf with docuscan and it did a good job. > To be perfectly honest, I'm extremely puzzled why the ocr a pdf option is there for pdf files that aren't images. > OSX reads pdf files just fine, so having another program that takes longer, and may or may not have the same accuracy as reading the pdf directly using preview, softcon pdf reader, or any number of other pdf readers on the mac is just a bit silly (imo) Of course, I suppose it was easy enough to add, and it doesn't hurt to be comprehensive I suppose, but in that case, it's not really ocring the pdf file, it's simply using osx libraries to yank the content, so why call it ocr anyhow? > I realize it's more a matter of symantecs than anything else, but still, it irritates me when programs claim to do something they're not actually doing. > If it's a pdf with images, then by all means, ocr it, but otherwise, don't tell me you're recognizing the document, when all you're doing is asking the os for the text out of the file. > > And, if they are actually performing ocr on such pdf files, it's a waste of cpu cycles, and they ought to be shot for wasting my time. > > Anyway, that's my thoughts on the matter, take them or leave them as you desire. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Sun May 1 21:53:09 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 10:53:09 -1000 Subject: Kobo on the IPad In-Reply-To: <62F8879F-84BD-4ED6-AF48-D6E36D431B89@gmail.com> References: <61EBFE84-5D42-414C-AAA7-65946617B1BA@gmail.com> <62F8879F-84BD-4ED6-AF48-D6E36D431B89@gmail.com> Message-ID: <586B878F-8D4E-4C20-B06F-75F1ABE81C00@mac.com> Hi Annie, I'm really sorry to hear that the latest version of Kobo on the iPad is even less accessible to set up from the start than on the iPhone. They do use a different screen layout than with the iPhone: in the list view of books there are two columns of book listings. I also notice that if I rotate the app to Portrait view instead of Landscape view, the buttons for "Library", "Store", and "Reading Lift" (in the top left corner of the app) don't get announced -- only the "Account" button. Apparently the first three buttons are replaced by Icons instead of text in the Portrait view. Also, VoiceOver doesn't actually announce "button" after the first three buttons. This assumes that the layout hasn't changed between version 4.2 and 4.3 of the iPad Kobo app. Right now I just keep Kobo on my iPad in the library list view (from an older version). The only good thing about this, is that just as the case with the iPhone app, you can use this once you've managed to get the app set up. I really wish they would provide a separate settings menu for the main device Settings to take care of all these details. Hope that you are at least enjoying the rest of your iPad. I'll post separately some more information about microphone options for the iPad. Cheers, Esther On May 1, 2011, at 10:21, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: > Hi Ester. > > The problems on the IPad is worse. > > You can not go to the library as far as I see, if I can go into the library, I can do the same trick as on the IPhone. It seems as if the library button is not there. > > I will try to do something tomorrow, I have reported the problem to kobo, but you know my english is not very advanged. > > Best regards Annie. > On May 1, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Annie, >> >> I think that the issue of Kobo accessibility on the iPad is the same one that you encountered when you had to recently re-install a new version of Kobo on the iPhone -- the problem is that the newest releases of Kobo don't have any accessible way of changing the default library view to a list format. If you set this up already in an earlier version of the app this is all usable, and I think there are other list members (Jane?) using the Kobo app on the iPad. I have to confess, that even though I have Kobo already set up in the correct view on my iPad, I've avoided applying the update to version 4.3. (This is the same version that gave you problems on the iPhone). Although I did manage to get Kobo working from scratch for the iPhone/iPod Touch, and can now outline how to do this for the initial set up, I'm not looking forward to also trying to figure out how to start from scratch on my iPad. I've already sent in my customer report to Kobo. Just as a suggestion, can you t > ry >> restoring your iPhone backup of apps to the new iPad? That might have your saved list view setting for the library, and automatically apply it to the Kobo iPad app, since this is a universal binary that works for both iPhone and iPad. >> >> HTH. If you really get stuck, I'll try to experiment with this after backing up my iPad, but I'm really hoping that Kobo customer support will get this solved -- I've sent them enough feedback! Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Apr 29, 2011, at 23:02, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: >> >>> Hi all. >>> >>> Has anybody got kobo to work on an IPad. It seems inaccessible to me. I can not get to my library. I hope someone can help, I would be very glad. >>> >>> Best regards Annie.. From moriond at mac.com Sun May 1 22:15:09 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 11:15:09 -1000 Subject: which accessories would you recommend for an IPad. In-Reply-To: <20483614-48D1-4281-9B4F-620F0AC93944@gmail.com> References: <20483614-48D1-4281-9B4F-620F0AC93944@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Annie, I'll update the information on recording with the iPad. The iRig Mic works on all iOS devices, because it uses the headset input jack. However, that means it only records one channel. It's good for podcasting and vocal recordings, but if you want to record high quality stereo sound, you'll need an option that works through the dock connector, either directly or through the USB Camera Connection Kit. Here's a page that lists microphones and audio interfaces for iOS devices: http://www.harmonicdog.com/inputoptions.html It's maintained by the developer of an iOS recording app called "MultiTrack DAW", who is keeping track of devices that are compatible for recording with the current generation iOS devices. (I have no idea if the app is accessible, but this listing and links page is useful). The list under "USB Mics for the iPad" are known currently working combinations. Perhaps the most interesting of these is the Apogee Electronics mic, which will supposedly work for the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad (all new models through the dock connector). This has been demoed already at various consumer electronics shows, and should be released soon: http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/mic.php Another source of information is the Faber Acoustical Blog: http://blog.faberacoustical.com/2010/ipad/usb-audio-devices-that-work-with-ipad/ The problem with some USB input mics is that data reaches the iPad, but with improper clocking, so so inputs get corrupted. You might be able to use some other microphone combinations with the Griffin iMic, if your USB Mic does not work directly with the iPad Camera Connection Kit USB connector. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 29, 2011, at 22:57, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: > Hi Ester. > > Thank you for your answer. > > I have got my IPad now. > > I know that there will be a camera connection kit available for the IPad soon, hopefully it will work with USB mics. > > Best regards Annie. > On Apr 27, 2011, at 11:19 PM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Annie, >> >> I think there are few accessories for the iPad 2 except for the redesigned dock (the one without a keyboard). I find that I can still record directly to the iPad using a Griffin iMic connected to the USB connector of the iPad Camera Connection Kit. But I'm not sure whether this works with USB Mics after the iOS 4.2 update, although I have the impression from the Audiofile Engineering forums (makers of the FiRe field recording app) that users can still use the iMic connection to connect from an audio output source. But I know that the iPhone 4 and 4G iPod Touch can't use the Camera Connection Kit, and that some of the flexibility for the iPad 1 went away with the iOS 4.2 update. (Before then, I could connect a USB keyboard, and also data card readers, although I still could only transfer from these to the Photo Album section; afterwards I get "Device not supported" warnings. This is supposedly what happened to a lot of USB mics that used to work through the Camera Connection Kit, but I don't know whether any of them still work.) >> >> One new mic that does work with the iPad, and also the iPhone and iPod Touch, is the iRig Mic: >> ? Article at AppAdvice: 1K Multimedia's iRig Mic is Now Shipping >> http://appadvice.com/appnn/2011/03/ik-multimedias-irig-mic-shipping >> ? iLounge News (April 21, 2011) with link to their earlier review of device and software >> http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/mobile/news/ik-multimedia-releases-irig-recorder/ >> ? Product site: >> http://www.ikmultimedia.com/irigmic/features/ >> >> The interesting feature is that the audio in is split, so you can plug in a headset to monitor. If you use the dock connector for a microphone, like the Blue Mikey (only for iPhone 3GS and earlier models -- not the 4G devices and iPads), sound (including VoiceOver) is redirected. But the iRig plugs into the headset jack, so you can run a second headset (one that does not have attached Mic, or you get feedback pickup) into the split input of the iRig Mic plug. VoiceOver may still get picked up by the iRig Mic, if you don't mute it, but it means that depending on the app, you can toggle VoiceOver on and off, and still get information when your recording is finished. >> >> Hopefully, other users can tell you about the experience of using Braille displays with the iPad. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Apr 26, 2011, at 11:56, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: >>> Hi all. >>> >>> I have finally decided to buy an IPad 2. What accessories would you recommend. >>> >>> Can I use an USB microphone on an IPad, and what accessories do I need for that. Which bag/case would you recommend. I am a braille user, so I will need to use my IPad a lot together with my braille display. >>> >>> Best regards Annie. >> From Mattchao at verizon.net Sun May 1 22:17:02 2011 From: Mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 17:17:02 -0400 Subject: Nisus Writer Pro Message-ID: Hi, All! Does anyone have experience using Nisus Writer Pro? Am thinking of buying this package, as it seems pretty comprehensive. Thanks in advance. Matthew Chao From n0oxy at charter.net Sun May 1 22:56:28 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 16:56:28 -0500 Subject: how to run windows on my macbook pro In-Reply-To: <449DC216-1CE7-4EA8-BD9C-5330EA20E1F6@gmail.com> References: <449DC216-1CE7-4EA8-BD9C-5330EA20E1F6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Vmware fusion will allow you to do this. It will also allow you to install windows without sighted help. On May 1, 2011, at 11:27 AM, sadam ahmed wrote: > HI all, i will be soon selling my windows computer and was wondering how to run windows 7 on my macbook pro? and if i can run JAWS on the mac? cheers! and warm regards, sadam. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Sun May 1 22:58:04 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 16:58:04 -0500 Subject: Reading PDF Files In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21B2F51F-6408-444A-892B-154748FAF312@charter.net> Preview is the best way, Adobe Reader is not accessible on the mac. On May 1, 2011, at 1:18 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: > Hi, All! What's the best way to read PDF docs on a MacBook? Whenever I open a pdf file, I get preview. Isn't Adobe Reader installed on MacBooks? Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to provide. > > Matthew Chao > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Sun May 1 22:59:26 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 07:59:26 +1000 Subject: Nisus Writer Pro In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31629330-6676-4197-BE0A-885B92F75AFB@internode.on.net> Been using it for the last 5 years I think, highly recommended. Most areas in the software are hugely accessible and the use of the software is quite straight forward. On 02/05/2011, at 7:17 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: > Hi, All! Does anyone have experience using Nisus Writer Pro? Am thinking of buying this package, as it seems pretty comprehensive. Thanks in advance. > > Matthew Chao > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Sun May 1 23:12:53 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 01 May 2011 12:12:53 -1000 Subject: Adobe Reader comments [was Re: Reading PDF Files] In-Reply-To: <21B2F51F-6408-444A-892B-154748FAF312@charter.net> References: <21B2F51F-6408-444A-892B-154748FAF312@charter.net> Message-ID: <207CCA89-0CFA-47A8-A675-6BB1D5B642D3@mac.com> Hi Mike, On May 1, 2011, at 11:58, Mike Arrigo wrote: > Preview is the best way, Adobe Reader is not accessible on the mac. > On May 1, 2011, at 1:18 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: > >> Hi, All! What's the best way to read PDF docs on a MacBook? Whenever I open a pdf file, I get preview. Isn't Adobe Reader installed on MacBooks? Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to provide. >> >> Matthew Chao It is possible to use Adobe Reader to read documents if you have to -- e.g. for DRM-protected material. It's just rather clunky and unintuitive, since the menu structure is complex, and you're using Text-to-Speech rather than VoiceOver. It can be maddening to try to find the voice controls, since it turns out they're set in the preferences menu, and the default reading rate is really slow. If you want to use a French voice, for example, you'll need to bring up Adobe Reader's preferences (Command-comma), VO-Down arrow to the categories table and Interact, then press "r" to select "Reading" and stop interacting. VO-Right arrow to set the reading options, especially under the "Read out loud" heading where you will want to uncheck the box for default voice (with VO-Space) and select the new voice from the pop up button. You'll also want to uncheck the box for "Use default speech attributes" so you can set the reading rate -- and they won't accept more than 650 words per minute. Command-W to close the preferences menu. When you use Adobe Reader, check the "View" menu on the menu bar for the "Read out loud" sub-menu commands and shortcuts: Activate/Deactivate Read out loud: Command-Shift-Y Read Only this page: Command-Shift-V Read to end of document: Command-Shift-B Pause: Command-Shift-C Stop: Command-Shift-E Use the Finder contextual menu (VO-Shift-M) to "Open with" and select "Adobe Reader" if you want to try this out. You have to download the program. I will say that I don't know anybody who has learned to use Preview at even a basic level who is willing to use Adobe Reader, unless it is required for DRM content. Most Mac users can't find the speech rate controls, and many, like Mike, just believe that it's not accessible because it's such a pain to use. And for DRM content, I ended up doing a screen capture of the Adobe Reader pages, then sending them through ABBYY FineReaders' OCR option to make a searchable PDF file so I could view these in Preview. HTH. Cheers, Esther From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Sun May 1 23:13:36 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 17:13:36 -0500 Subject: iOS board games Message-ID: <97928A08-A24C-4D2B-B41E-7476F4E2D57C@gmail.com> iPad apps: Chess-Wise and Checker-Wise have VoiceOver support in description. wonder what other games, like these or others are accessible? I think that board games, such as these are some good apps that are accessible that take advantage of screen realestate. I would be very interested in knowing about others. Sent from my iPad From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 1 23:52:56 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 17:52:56 -0500 Subject: Adobe Reader comments [was Re: Reading PDF Files] In-Reply-To: <207CCA89-0CFA-47A8-A675-6BB1D5B642D3@mac.com> References: <21B2F51F-6408-444A-892B-154748FAF312@charter.net> <207CCA89-0CFA-47A8-A675-6BB1D5B642D3@mac.com> Message-ID: And, all of this assumes the producer of the pdf file didn't disable the read outloud option, as some drm freaks tend to do. Not sure why they think not allowing the content to be read aloud would bypass drm, but these are folks who haven't figured out that drm is useless in the overall scheme of things. From carol.pearson29 at googlemail.com Sun May 1 23:58:23 2011 From: carol.pearson29 at googlemail.com (Carol Pearson) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 23:58:23 +0100 Subject: iOS board games References: <97928A08-A24C-4D2B-B41E-7476F4E2D57C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Do we have Molopoly or Scrabble, by any chance, that are accessible? What about a crossword board? -- Carol P ---- Original Message ---- From: "Kevin Chao" To: Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2011 11:13 PM Subject: iOS board games > iPad apps: Chess-Wise and Checker-Wise have VoiceOver > support in description. wonder what other games, like > these or others are accessible? > > I think that board games, such as these are some good > apps that are accessible that take advantage of screen > realestate. I would be very interested in knowing about > others. > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, > spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options > periodically by visiting the list website at: > From billd at insightbb.com Mon May 2 00:32:15 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 19:32:15 -0400 Subject: iphone is now fixed Message-ID: Hello yesterday I took my Iphone out to the apple store and it took two people and after trying different things the tech person got it fixed. Thanks for everyone on the list who gave me suggestions. Bill Deatherage From kevin.fjelsted at bharrisinc.com Mon May 2 00:48:35 2011 From: kevin.fjelsted at bharrisinc.com (Kevin R. Fjelsted) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 18:48:35 -0500 Subject: Nisus Writer Pro In-Reply-To: <31629330-6676-4197-BE0A-885B92F75AFB@internode.on.net> References: <31629330-6676-4197-BE0A-885B92F75AFB@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Nisus Writer Pro works well for me. There are a few areas that I have experienced the need to grow in patience. It seems that if I select all of a doc because I want to change a style or font that the menus become very very sluggish so getting to the formatting menu is then a tricky matter. Has anyone found a workaround for this issue? I sent a note to Nisus Writer Pro support explaining the issue as well as discussing some buttons that are not labeled. It is a great word processor because of how accessible it is. I would encourage that more of us write the company and explain in a very positive way how we are using the product with VoiceOver and asking if they will help fix the few remaining areas that are problematical for VO users. -Kevin On 5/1/11, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Been using it for the last 5 years I think, highly recommended. > > Most areas in the software are hugely accessible and the use of the software > is quite straight forward. > > > On 02/05/2011, at 7:17 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: > >> Hi, All! Does anyone have experience using Nisus Writer Pro? Am thinking >> of buying this package, as it seems pretty comprehensive. Thanks in >> advance. >> >> Matthew Chao >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Mon May 2 00:57:18 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 20:57:18 -0300 Subject: Apple TV problem. Message-ID: <8E6B003CB05E4806AB934AB4599657CF@MainComputer> Hi Folks: For some reason, Voiceover on my Apple TV has stopped working. Can someone out there tell me how to get to the accessibility menu and turn voiceover on again? I am using the latest software update. Thanks much gang. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon May 2 01:11:00 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 10:11:00 +1000 Subject: Nisus Writer Pro In-Reply-To: References: <31629330-6676-4197-BE0A-885B92F75AFB@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Interesting, I don't have this problem at all! what view style do you use? On 02/05/2011, at 9:48 AM, Kevin R. Fjelsted wrote: > Nisus Writer Pro works well for me. There are a few areas that I have > experienced the need to grow in patience. It seems that if I select > all of a doc because I want to change a style or font that the menus > become very very sluggish so getting to the formatting menu is then a > tricky matter. Has anyone found a workaround for this issue? I sent a > note to Nisus Writer Pro support explaining the issue as well as > discussing some buttons that are not labeled. It is a great word > processor because of how accessible it is. I would encourage that more > of us write the company and explain in a very positive way how we are > using the product with VoiceOver and asking if they will help fix the > few remaining areas that are problematical for VO users. > -Kevin > > > On 5/1/11, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> Been using it for the last 5 years I think, highly recommended. >> >> Most areas in the software are hugely accessible and the use of the software >> is quite straight forward. >> >> >> On 02/05/2011, at 7:17 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: >> >>> Hi, All! Does anyone have experience using Nisus Writer Pro? Am thinking >>> of buying this package, as it seems pretty comprehensive. Thanks in >>> advance. >>> >>> Matthew Chao >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>> Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>> the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From khwicca at gmail.com Mon May 2 03:08:40 2011 From: khwicca at gmail.com (Kristeen Hughes) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 22:08:40 -0400 Subject: iTunes playlists In-Reply-To: <7AE106DC-13FA-48C2-8B81-34456AA21C09@softcon.com> References: <5B98E817-E719-4E15-A148-624267EB4475@blueyonder.co.uk> <67B8124B-6B56-4C13-8C9D-A35FC1910481@gmail.com> <7AE106DC-13FA-48C2-8B81-34456AA21C09@softcon.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that very helpful post. I did some mesing around this morning and discovered all of the things you said and was pleased with myself and you just confirmed what I learned. Kristeen On Apr 30, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > Because, when you delete a file from osx, it doesn't actually delete the file, it moves the file into the trash folder. Until you empty the trash, the file still exists, because the way unix points to files isn't by the file name itself, it's by reference nodes. The node on the disk remains the same, no matter how many times you move the file, so itunes will always find the file no matter where you move it. If you copy the file to a new place, then delete the original, it will no longer find it, because the file node no longer points to a valid file location. > It's a little confusing, but not that bad once you understand how the file system works. > You'll need to empty the trash to get it to go away completely, or go into your trash folder, and delete the file again. > That will solve the problem for you. > Of course, you should probably remove it from the play list, just so you don't have junked files in your play lists. > Itunes will (eventually) place an icon in the list showing that the file is unavailable, but until it does, you won't know the file is missing when you look at the play list. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon May 2 03:12:02 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:12:02 +1000 Subject: iTunes playlists In-Reply-To: References: <5B98E817-E719-4E15-A148-624267EB4475@blueyonder.co.uk> <67B8124B-6B56-4C13-8C9D-A35FC1910481@gmail.com> <7AE106DC-13FA-48C2-8B81-34456AA21C09@softcon.com> Message-ID: speaking of playlists where does Itunes actually store them? Meaning in what folder. On 02/05/2011, at 12:08 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: > Thanks for that very helpful post. I did some mesing around this morning and discovered all of the things you said and was pleased with myself and you just confirmed what I learned. > > Kristeen > > On Apr 30, 2011, at 8:56 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > >> Because, when you delete a file from osx, it doesn't actually delete the file, it moves the file into the trash folder. Until you empty the trash, the file still exists, because the way unix points to files isn't by the file name itself, it's by reference nodes. The node on the disk remains the same, no matter how many times you move the file, so itunes will always find the file no matter where you move it. If you copy the file to a new place, then delete the original, it will no longer find it, because the file node no longer points to a valid file location. >> It's a little confusing, but not that bad once you understand how the file system works. >> You'll need to empty the trash to get it to go away completely, or go into your trash folder, and delete the file again. >> That will solve the problem for you. >> Of course, you should probably remove it from the play list, just so you don't have junked files in your play lists. >> Itunes will (eventually) place an icon in the list showing that the file is unavailable, but until it does, you won't know the file is missing when you look at the play list. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From weavermicha at googlemail.com Mon May 2 04:17:40 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 04:17:40 +0100 Subject: a curious thing Message-ID: <4dbe2066.5925e30a.78e0.078f@mx.google.com> i am curious as to why the startup sound on the macbook prro plays out loud even when a pair of headphones are plugged in? is this a bug or is there a setting which could be changed to make it more discrete? i notice that normally when i have used laptops the startup sounds do not come out of the speaker when headphones are plugged in. From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon May 2 04:22:36 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 13:22:36 +1000 Subject: a curious thing In-Reply-To: <4dbe2066.5925e30a.78e0.078f@mx.google.com> References: <4dbe2066.5925e30a.78e0.078f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4DBE237C.7010607@internode.on.net> As far as I know all Mac's play the start-up sound through there speakers. On 2/05/2011 1:17 PM, michael weaver wrote: > i am curious as to why the startup sound on the macbook prro plays out > loud even when a pair of headphones are plugged in? > is this a bug or is there a setting which could be changed to make it > more discrete? > i notice that normally when i have used laptops the startup sounds do > not come out of the speaker when headphones are plugged in. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to > the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon May 2 06:16:43 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 00:16:43 -0500 Subject: iTunes playlists In-Reply-To: References: <5B98E817-E719-4E15-A148-624267EB4475@blueyonder.co.uk> <67B8124B-6B56-4C13-8C9D-A35FC1910481@gmail.com> <7AE106DC-13FA-48C2-8B81-34456AA21C09@softcon.com> Message-ID: <4B697619-8882-4405-9C6C-49FB1DFEBB72@softcon.com> On May 1, 2011, at 9:12 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > speaking of playlists where does Itunes actually store them? > Meaning in what folder. They aren't separate files, they're integrated with the xml file where itunes keeps all the data about your music. The play lists simply get added to this file, and are always there embedded into the same xml file thereby producing no extra files to be manipulated separately. You can of course load this xml file into an editor (or open it in text edit) and take a look at the file if you so desire. I do advise against modifying the file if you aren't sure what you're doing though, as this could mess with itunes organizational abilities. :) Hope this helps. From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon May 2 07:38:33 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 1 May 2011 23:38:33 -0700 Subject: a curious thing In-Reply-To: <4dbe2066.5925e30a.78e0.078f@mx.google.com> References: <4dbe2066.5925e30a.78e0.078f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: hello. check this link. there is a software that does just that. I tested it and a podcast is coming on the subject in exactly 4 days lol! http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~arcana/software.en.html#StartupSound Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 1, 2011, at 8:17 PM, michael weaver wrote: > i am curious as to why the startup sound on the macbook prro plays out loud even when a pair of headphones are plugged in? > is this a bug or is there a setting which could be changed to make it more discrete? > i notice that normally when i have used laptops the startup sounds do not come out of the speaker when headphones are plugged in. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Mon May 2 10:26:26 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 10:26:26 +0100 Subject: Buying DocuScan Plus Message-ID: <0EA2ED31-045C-4B31-B231-858017C9D9F7@mac-access.net> Hello everybody OK, I've spoken to Seratek support rep who, as it happens, is somebody who Gordon used to know quite well. They weren't aware of the problem on their docuscan website and they have started an urgent investigation as a result of my contact. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Mon May 2 10:28:41 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 10:28:41 +0100 Subject: how to run windows on my macbook pro In-Reply-To: References: <449DC216-1CE7-4EA8-BD9C-5330EA20E1F6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2697E478-383E-4256-A5E7-1096EA0C69A3@mac-access.net> Hello Mike On 1 May 2011, at 22:56, Mike Arrigo wrote: Vmware fusion will allow you to do this. It will also allow you to install windows without sighted help. That is not always the case with Windows 7 because of the UAC interface. You need to verify the installation of the VMWAre tools which, since at that time you have no speech feedback, isn't possible. So this kind of advice is, whilst given in good faith, a little misleading. Lynne From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Mon May 2 10:30:31 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 10:30:31 +0100 Subject: Buying DocuScan Plus In-Reply-To: <0EA2ED31-045C-4B31-B231-858017C9D9F7@mac-access.net> References: <0EA2ED31-045C-4B31-B231-858017C9D9F7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: i find the purchase link with no problems On 2 May 2011, at 10:26, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > OK, I've spoken to Seratek support rep who, as it happens, is somebody who Gordon used to know quite well. They weren't aware of the problem on their docuscan website and they have started an urgent investigation as a result of my contact. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Mon May 2 10:32:22 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 10:32:22 +0100 Subject: Buying DocuScan Plus In-Reply-To: References: <0EA2ED31-045C-4B31-B231-858017C9D9F7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <7B32816A-E0D8-42C1-9314-2B77478E801E@mac-access.net> William The purchase link is there. But when you try to log into an existing account you can't because it says you have to be running System Access. Lynne On 2 May 2011, at 10:30, william lomas wrote: i find the purchase link with no problems From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Mon May 2 10:43:26 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 10:43:26 +0100 Subject: Buying DocuScan Plus In-Reply-To: <7B32816A-E0D8-42C1-9314-2B77478E801E@mac-access.net> References: <0EA2ED31-045C-4B31-B231-858017C9D9F7@mac-access.net> <7B32816A-E0D8-42C1-9314-2B77478E801E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: doesn't do this for me On 2 May 2011, at 10:32, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > William > > The purchase link is there. But when you try to log into an existing account you can't because it says you have to be running System Access. > > Lynne > > On 2 May 2011, at 10:30, william lomas wrote: > > i find the purchase link with no problems > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Mon May 2 11:18:32 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 06:18:32 -0400 Subject: how to run windows on my macbook pro In-Reply-To: <2697E478-383E-4256-A5E7-1096EA0C69A3@mac-access.net> References: <449DC216-1CE7-4EA8-BD9C-5330EA20E1F6@gmail.com> <2697E478-383E-4256-A5E7-1096EA0C69A3@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4dbe84fa.0b5d340a.4b48.3261@mx.google.com> Yes, indeed. I needed to resort to sighted assistance to get VMWare tools installed. At 05:28 AM 5/2/2011, you wrote: >Hello Mike > >On 1 May 2011, at 22:56, Mike Arrigo wrote: > >Vmware fusion will allow you to do this. It will also allow you to >install windows without sighted help. > >That is not always the case with Windows 7 because of the UAC >interface. You need to verify the installation of the VMWAre tools >which, since at that time you have no speech feedback, isn't >possible. So this kind of advice is, whilst given in good faith, a >little misleading. > >Lynne > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Mon May 2 11:26:02 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 11:26:02 +0100 Subject: Buying DocuScan Plus In-Reply-To: References: <0EA2ED31-045C-4B31-B231-858017C9D9F7@mac-access.net> <7B32816A-E0D8-42C1-9314-2B77478E801E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello William On 2 May 2011, at 10:43, william lomas wrote: doesn't do this for me Are you saying that if you hit the "Purchase" link, then enter your account number, PIN and hit Log In, you don't get an error? Lynne From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon May 2 11:27:20 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 11:27:20 +0100 Subject: DocuScan Plus & Canon Scanners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great, you, can pay via PayPal or credit card, it cost me ?183 via paypal, not bad really. On 1 May 2011, at 01:00, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > OK, it appears that in the last few months things have changed radically on the Scanner front at Canon. We just put our CanoScan lIDE700F scanner into the USB port of our Mac running Snow Leopard. We then ran software update and it came up with a "Canon Printer update". > > Expecting the worst, we clicked Install and had the drivers downloaded and installed to our OS. To my pleasant surprise, I noticed immediately that things had changed because the green light on the scanner came on and it did its diagnostic test. > > So, in a state of nervous anticipation, I run "DocuScan Plus", which I currently have in trial mode. When I clicked on "New Document", low and behold, the CanoScan is visible in the device list and seems functional. So, as a test, we inserted a letter envelope into the scanner with its address window on the flat bed. We hadn't yet opened this letter, but thought we'd just see what happened. > > To my utter astonishment, up popped the address of the letter in the document area of the application, recognised absolutely perfectly by the programme. I tried again with a different though similar article and, to my very pleasant surprise, got exactly the same results. > > So, it seems that the search for OCR on the Mac is finally over as far as we are concerned. I am more than happy to admit that my initial skepticism was misplaced and, although I still consider the price tag somewhat inflated, I am going to buy the programme now, assuming I can figure out exactly how to do that. > > This is one of those occasions where I am very pleased to be wrong. But based on what I am seeing here it would appear that the developers have indeed come up with a class product. Out of interest I'm about to go and try our other CanoScan which has never ever worked on the Mac before. I bought it at bargain basement prices as a national supermarket chain over here was doing a stock clearance in preparation for a merger with its general electronics sister company. This scanner came with no box, no cables and no anything else, except the scanner. But for 10 Pounds I thought at the time I'd really got nothing to lose. If this scanner now also works, then it's off to see how you buy the programme. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Mon May 2 11:31:40 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 11:31:40 +0100 Subject: Buying DocuScan Plus In-Reply-To: References: <0EA2ED31-045C-4B31-B231-858017C9D9F7@mac-access.net> <7B32816A-E0D8-42C1-9314-2B77478E801E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <2B1D2AB5-9529-4102-8DC8-7CE50438A802@gmail.com> Yup I just get the standard purchase screens that one would get if say they were building a bundle On 2 May 2011, at 11:26, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello William > > On 2 May 2011, at 10:43, william lomas wrote: > > doesn't do this for me > > Are you saying that if you hit the "Purchase" link, then enter your account number, PIN and hit Log In, you don't get an error? > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Mon May 2 11:34:11 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 11:34:11 +0100 Subject: Buying DocuScan Plus In-Reply-To: References: <0EA2ED31-045C-4B31-B231-858017C9D9F7@mac-access.net> <7B32816A-E0D8-42C1-9314-2B77478E801E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: yes when I tried it just i hit purchase docuscan plus on the www.docuscanplus.com site, and logged in then clicked next after initial screen, and then it asks me to confirm my details. I doubt I will be buying though as I already have openbook On 2 May 2011, at 11:26, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello William > > On 2 May 2011, at 10:43, william lomas wrote: > > doesn't do this for me > > Are you saying that if you hit the "Purchase" link, then enter your account number, PIN and hit Log In, you don't get an error? > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Mon May 2 11:47:56 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 11:47:56 +0100 Subject: DocuScan Plus & Canon Scanners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2ABE7641-8BF6-43F1-9F0C-8BCF9DB3C26F@mac-access.net> Hello Chris On 2 May 2011, at 11:27, Chris Moore wrote: ? Great, you, can pay via PayPal or credit card, it cost me ?183 via paypal, not bad really. This is interesting; because it won't let me log in to the account I created. It keeps telling me I need to use System Access. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Mon May 2 11:49:02 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 11:49:02 +0100 Subject: Buying DocuScan Plus In-Reply-To: <2B1D2AB5-9529-4102-8DC8-7CE50438A802@gmail.com> References: <0EA2ED31-045C-4B31-B231-858017C9D9F7@mac-access.net> <7B32816A-E0D8-42C1-9314-2B77478E801E@mac-access.net> <2B1D2AB5-9529-4102-8DC8-7CE50438A802@gmail.com> Message-ID: <77230F89-6913-45BD-A141-5DF3D52D04C1@mac-access.net> Hello William On 2 May 2011, at 11:31, william lomas wrote: ? Yup I just get the standard purchase screens that one would get if say they were building a bundle OK, maybe they have changed things since I contacted them. I will go and try again now. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Mon May 2 11:51:26 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 11:51:26 +0100 Subject: Buying DocuScan Plus In-Reply-To: References: <0EA2ED31-045C-4B31-B231-858017C9D9F7@mac-access.net> <7B32816A-E0D8-42C1-9314-2B77478E801E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <36DACAE9-99D7-4F85-962E-C813BE7A0F31@mac-access.net> Hello William I just tried again and I am still getting the same problem. I wonder if this is account specific. Lynne On 2 May 2011, at 11:34, william lomas wrote: yes when I tried it just i hit purchase docuscan plus on the www.docuscanplus.com site, and logged in then clicked next after initial screen, and then it asks me to confirm my details. I doubt I will be buying though as I already have openbook On 2 May 2011, at 11:26, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hello William > > On 2 May 2011, at 10:43, william lomas wrote: > > doesn't do this for me > > Are you saying that if you hit the "Purchase" link, then enter your account number, PIN and hit Log In, you don't get an error? > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Mon May 2 11:57:28 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:57:28 +0200 Subject: Buying DocuScan Plus In-Reply-To: <36DACAE9-99D7-4F85-962E-C813BE7A0F31@mac-access.net> References: <0EA2ED31-045C-4B31-B231-858017C9D9F7@mac-access.net> <7B32816A-E0D8-42C1-9314-2B77478E801E@mac-access.net> <36DACAE9-99D7-4F85-962E-C813BE7A0F31@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <2A32C77C-A36A-423D-9360-4291905CB657@gmail.com> Hi Lynne, I'm getting the same problem. part of me wonders if it will go away once you actually register System Access with your account on a computer, then do it on the Mac. I seriously have my doubts, since that's pretty farfetched, but it sounds bizarre that not everyone is getting this. I'll be experimenting with this later. I wasn't going to purchase it since I'll be fine without it, but I wanted to see if I got this as well. Regards, Nic On May 2, 2011, at 12:51 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello William > > I just tried again and I am still getting the same problem. I wonder if this is account specific. > > Lynne > > On 2 May 2011, at 11:34, william lomas wrote: > > yes when I tried it just i hit purchase docuscan plus on the > www.docuscanplus.com > site, and logged in then clicked next after initial screen, and then it asks me to confirm my details. I doubt I will be buying though as I already have openbook > > On 2 May 2011, at 11:26, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hello William >> >> On 2 May 2011, at 10:43, william lomas wrote: >> >> doesn't do this for me >> >> Are you saying that if you hit the "Purchase" link, then enter your account number, PIN and hit Log In, you don't get an error? >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Mon May 2 12:26:15 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:26:15 +0100 Subject: Another Difficult Site Message-ID: <29095DA6-6E5C-4352-958F-E6E1E4019A28@mac-access.net> Hello everybody It seems that Safari latest version is really really buggy with VoiceOver. Gordon is trying to create an account on "Sky.FM" but all he's getting is "Safari Busy. Safari Ready. Safari Busy. Safari Ready." and so it goes on. Can somebody else try this and, when you click the below link, try the Item Chooser menu and see what happens. The URL is Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Mon May 2 12:27:50 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:27:50 +0100 Subject: Buying DocuScan Plus In-Reply-To: <2A32C77C-A36A-423D-9360-4291905CB657@gmail.com> References: <0EA2ED31-045C-4B31-B231-858017C9D9F7@mac-access.net> <7B32816A-E0D8-42C1-9314-2B77478E801E@mac-access.net> <36DACAE9-99D7-4F85-962E-C813BE7A0F31@mac-access.net> <2A32C77C-A36A-423D-9360-4291905CB657@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7E64DEAB-9BD4-4A68-ABC4-6F6B7ADEE494@mac-access.net> Hello Nic On 2 May 2011, at 11:57, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: ? I'm getting the same problem. part of me wonders if it will go away once you actually register System Access with your account on a computer, then do it on the Mac. I seriously have my doubts, since that's pretty farfetched, but it sounds bizarre that not everyone is getting this. I'll be experimenting with this later. I wasn't going to purchase it since I'll be fine without it, but I wanted to see if I got this as well. How can you register System Access on your account if you don't have Windows? We could try our NetBook I guess, but I'm not hopeful. Lynne From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Mon May 2 12:30:07 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:30:07 +0200 Subject: Buying DocuScan Plus In-Reply-To: <7E64DEAB-9BD4-4A68-ABC4-6F6B7ADEE494@mac-access.net> References: <0EA2ED31-045C-4B31-B231-858017C9D9F7@mac-access.net> <7B32816A-E0D8-42C1-9314-2B77478E801E@mac-access.net> <36DACAE9-99D7-4F85-962E-C813BE7A0F31@mac-access.net> <2A32C77C-A36A-423D-9360-4291905CB657@gmail.com> <7E64DEAB-9BD4-4A68-ABC4-6F6B7ADEE494@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Lynne, You can't. I seriously doubt doing so on Windows will change it on the Mac anyway. It's a really farfetched guess, but it never hurts trying what sounds utterly ridiculous. Regards, Nic On May 2, 2011, at 1:27 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Nic > > On 2 May 2011, at 11:57, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > > ? I'm getting the same problem. part of me wonders if it will go away once you actually register System Access with your account on a computer, then do it on the Mac. I seriously have my doubts, since that's pretty farfetched, but it sounds bizarre that not everyone is getting this. I'll be experimenting with this later. I wasn't going to purchase it since I'll be fine without it, but I wanted to see if I got this as well. > > How can you register System Access on your account if you don't have Windows? We could try our NetBook I guess, but I'm not hopeful. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon May 2 12:30:35 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 21:30:35 +1000 Subject: Another Difficult Site In-Reply-To: <29095DA6-6E5C-4352-958F-E6E1E4019A28@mac-access.net> References: <29095DA6-6E5C-4352-958F-E6E1E4019A28@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <879F5BE6-76D4-47CF-A9C2-3E12BAB5FA79@internode.on.net> Okay I thought I was the only person having this trouble, I created an account on Sky.FM but the only way I was able to manage this was to use one of the Windows machine, Mac Safari on the Imac just wouldn't let me anywhere near the site. Another example of this is the Mobile Me upgrade site if you want to upgrade your Mobile Me calendar which you have to do if you wish to continue syncing your calendars. I haven't tried Webkit for a while so I must get the latest "Nightly Rebuild". On 02/05/2011, at 9:26 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > It seems that Safari latest version is really really buggy with VoiceOver. Gordon is trying to create an account on "Sky.FM" but all he's getting is "Safari Busy. Safari Ready. Safari Busy. Safari Ready." and so it goes on. > > Can somebody else try this and, when you click the below link, try the Item Chooser menu and see what happens. The URL is > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Mon May 2 12:33:16 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:33:16 +0200 Subject: Another Difficult Site In-Reply-To: <879F5BE6-76D4-47CF-A9C2-3E12BAB5FA79@internode.on.net> References: <29095DA6-6E5C-4352-958F-E6E1E4019A28@mac-access.net> <879F5BE6-76D4-47CF-A9C2-3E12BAB5FA79@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <8E49B143-E884-4B3F-9F9E-8F0A928AD975@gmail.com> Hi! I'm not having this problem. I tried to compare with Webkit and Safari, and while it goes busy while loading 401 items, after several seconds I can navigate through it and click things. Regards, Nic On May 2, 2011, at 1:30 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Okay I thought I was the only person having this trouble, I created an account on Sky.FM but the only way I was able to manage this was to use one of the Windows machine, Mac Safari on the Imac just wouldn't let me anywhere near the site. > > Another example of this is the Mobile Me upgrade site if you want to upgrade your Mobile Me calendar which you have to do if you wish to continue syncing your calendars. > > I haven't tried Webkit for a while so I must get the latest "Nightly Rebuild". > > > On 02/05/2011, at 9:26 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello everybody >> >> It seems that Safari latest version is really really buggy with VoiceOver. Gordon is trying to create an account on "Sky.FM" but all he's getting is "Safari Busy. Safari Ready. Safari Busy. Safari Ready." and so it goes on. >> >> Can somebody else try this and, when you click the below link, try the Item Chooser menu and see what happens. The URL is >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Mon May 2 12:37:47 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:37:47 +0100 Subject: Buying DocuScan Plus In-Reply-To: References: <0EA2ED31-045C-4B31-B231-858017C9D9F7@mac-access.net> <7B32816A-E0D8-42C1-9314-2B77478E801E@mac-access.net> <36DACAE9-99D7-4F85-962E-C813BE7A0F31@mac-access.net> <2A32C77C-A36A-423D-9360-4291905CB657@gmail.com> <7E64DEAB-9BD4-4A68-ABC4-6F6B7ADEE494@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9C5EE54E-DEAE-4E81-8B22-DBDFFA878CE4@mac-access.net> Hi Nic On 2 May 2011, at 12:30, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: ? You can't. I seriously doubt doing so on Windows will change it on the Mac anyway. It's a really farfetched guess, but it never hurts trying what sounds utterly ridiculous. What you need to be aware of is that the programme uses a cloud server and it auto-logs in when you run it using your account number. So it might make a difference if I log in using a different browser. I'm starting to think that Safari might be causing the problem. I don't know how William and others are logging into the website, using Safari or using the other stuff that we don't talk about here. :) Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Mon May 2 12:38:18 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:38:18 +0100 Subject: Buying DocuScan Plus In-Reply-To: <9C5EE54E-DEAE-4E81-8B22-DBDFFA878CE4@mac-access.net> References: <0EA2ED31-045C-4B31-B231-858017C9D9F7@mac-access.net> <7B32816A-E0D8-42C1-9314-2B77478E801E@mac-access.net> <36DACAE9-99D7-4F85-962E-C813BE7A0F31@mac-access.net> <2A32C77C-A36A-423D-9360-4291905CB657@gmail.com> <7E64DEAB-9BD4-4A68-ABC4-6F6B7ADEE494@mac-access.net> <9C5EE54E-DEAE-4E81-8B22-DBDFFA878CE4@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Sorry all, I forgot to change accounts again. Lynne On 2 May 2011, at 12:37, Gordon Smith wrote: Hi Nic On 2 May 2011, at 12:30, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: ? You can't. I seriously doubt doing so on Windows will change it on the Mac anyway. It's a really farfetched guess, but it never hurts trying what sounds utterly ridiculous. What you need to be aware of is that the programme uses a cloud server and it auto-logs in when you run it using your account number. So it might make a difference if I log in using a different browser. I'm starting to think that Safari might be causing the problem. I don't know how William and others are logging into the website, using Safari or using the other stuff that we don't talk about here. :) Lynne _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon May 2 12:40:11 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 21:40:11 +1000 Subject: Another Difficult Site In-Reply-To: <8E49B143-E884-4B3F-9F9E-8F0A928AD975@gmail.com> References: <29095DA6-6E5C-4352-958F-E6E1E4019A28@mac-access.net> <879F5BE6-76D4-47CF-A9C2-3E12BAB5FA79@internode.on.net> <8E49B143-E884-4B3F-9F9E-8F0A928AD975@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hmm.. interesting, I just went to and I got much of what you reported, yep got a couple of seconds of VO saying "Safari Busy, Safari Ready" but then things settled and the page loaded, I was then able to log in though I speeded up the process as I use 1 Password. After the Login everything was normal though for some reason Safari of its own accord started interacting with links on the page and I had to use VO-shift-up arrow to turn this feature off in order that I keep navigating the page. to speed things up again I used vo-shift-f to find what I wanted on the page, one of the channels I wanted to listen to. Yep, was able to use the service with Safari but.. well.. not perfect no! On 02/05/2011, at 9:33 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > I'm not having this problem. I tried to compare with Webkit and Safari, and while it goes busy while loading 401 items, after several seconds I can navigate through it and click things. > > Regards, > Nic > On May 2, 2011, at 1:30 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Okay I thought I was the only person having this trouble, I created an account on Sky.FM but the only way I was able to manage this was to use one of the Windows machine, Mac Safari on the Imac just wouldn't let me anywhere near the site. >> >> Another example of this is the Mobile Me upgrade site if you want to upgrade your Mobile Me calendar which you have to do if you wish to continue syncing your calendars. >> >> I haven't tried Webkit for a while so I must get the latest "Nightly Rebuild". >> >> >> On 02/05/2011, at 9:26 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello everybody >>> >>> It seems that Safari latest version is really really buggy with VoiceOver. Gordon is trying to create an account on "Sky.FM" but all he's getting is "Safari Busy. Safari Ready. Safari Busy. Safari Ready." and so it goes on. >>> >>> Can somebody else try this and, when you click the below link, try the Item Chooser menu and see what happens. The URL is >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Mon May 2 12:41:17 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:41:17 +0100 Subject: Another Difficult Site In-Reply-To: <879F5BE6-76D4-47CF-A9C2-3E12BAB5FA79@internode.on.net> References: <29095DA6-6E5C-4352-958F-E6E1E4019A28@mac-access.net> <879F5BE6-76D4-47CF-A9C2-3E12BAB5FA79@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <65113158-6B8D-45A3-BB06-671E5510D104@mac-access.net> Hello Dane On 2 May 2011, at 12:30, Dane Trethowan wrote: ? Okay I thought I was the only person having this trouble, I created an account on Sky.FM but the only way I was able to manage this was to use one of the Windows machine, Mac Safari on the Imac just wouldn't let me anywhere near the site. Without VoiceOver, it is flaky at best. I'm getting Safari crashes and all sorts of weird stuff on a lot of sites. OK, I take your hint Dane, I have not forgotten about your upgrade. Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon May 2 12:46:23 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 21:46:23 +1000 Subject: Another Difficult Site In-Reply-To: <65113158-6B8D-45A3-BB06-671E5510D104@mac-access.net> References: <29095DA6-6E5C-4352-958F-E6E1E4019A28@mac-access.net> <879F5BE6-76D4-47CF-A9C2-3E12BAB5FA79@internode.on.net> <65113158-6B8D-45A3-BB06-671E5510D104@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9E1CE7D8-665C-4799-A6D6-DAD707CC3017@internode.on.net> indeed , assuming Safari will let you anywhere near the site . On 02/05/2011, at 9:41 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > On 2 May 2011, at 12:30, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > ? Okay I thought I was the only person having this trouble, I created an account on Sky.FM but the only way I was able to manage this was to use one of the Windows machine, Mac Safari on the Imac just wouldn't let me anywhere near the site. > > Without VoiceOver, it is flaky at best. I'm getting Safari crashes and all sorts of weird stuff on a lot of sites. > > OK, I take your hint Dane, I have not forgotten about your upgrade. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From billd at insightbb.com Mon May 2 12:48:02 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 07:48:02 -0400 Subject: another Iphone issue Message-ID: hello, this morning when My wife tried to call me on the Iphone I found that the ringer is turned off. I had the phone in my hand so I could tell it was vibrating but it didn't ring. I also found the volume was at 20 percent. when I tried to turn it up by scrolling up nothing happened. there was a message written above where it says volume it says to increase or decrease scroll up or down. I tried this and nothing happened. could some one help me with these problems? I am not sure what happened to cause all these problems i have had since Saturday? Thank you in advance for your help Bill Deatherage From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon May 2 12:49:47 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 21:49:47 +1000 Subject: iTunes playlists In-Reply-To: <4B697619-8882-4405-9C6C-49FB1DFEBB72@softcon.com> References: <5B98E817-E719-4E15-A148-624267EB4475@blueyonder.co.uk> <67B8124B-6B56-4C13-8C9D-A35FC1910481@gmail.com> <7AE106DC-13FA-48C2-8B81-34456AA21C09@softcon.com> <4B697619-8882-4405-9C6C-49FB1DFEBB72@softcon.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that and I found your message helpful. Incidentally I like the "import" and "Export" Playlist features found in the Itunes Library menu, don't know how long they've been there but I'm going to find those features terribly convenient for my network here, I've been looking for a way of exporting Itunes playlists to M#u Playlist files for use with other players on my network such as Winamp, etc. On 02/05/2011, at 3:16 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > > On May 1, 2011, at 9:12 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> speaking of playlists where does Itunes actually store them? Meaning in what folder. > They aren't separate files, they're integrated with the xml file where itunes keeps all the data about your music. The play lists simply get added to this file, and are always there embedded into the same xml file thereby producing no extra files to be manipulated separately. > You can of course load this xml file into an editor (or open it in text edit) and take a look at the file if you so desire. I do advise against modifying the file if you aren't sure what you're doing though, as this could mess with itunes organizational abilities. :) > > Hope this helps. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chinyoka.consultant at gmail.com Mon May 2 13:16:55 2011 From: chinyoka.consultant at gmail.com (Chinyoka on Macbook) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 14:16:55 +0200 Subject: another Iphone issue In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2DD3BA68-BC04-4D1A-8BF3-2CA7B90BEF57@gmail.com> Hi, start by turning on the ringer by turning up the Ringer button on the side of the iPhone. This is the first button from the top on the left of your screen when the phone is facing you. It is just a small button. Below this, you will see the volume button: press the upper part of the button keys to turn it up or the lower part to turn it down. This is what I do instead of doing it from the settings. HTH, On 02 May,2011, at 1:48 PM, William Deatherage wrote: > hello, > this morning when My wife tried to call me on the Iphone I found that the ringer is turned off. I had the phone in my hand so I could tell it was vibrating but it didn't ring. I also found the volume was at 20 percent. when I tried to turn it up by scrolling up nothing happened. there was a message written above where it says volume it says to increase or decrease scroll up or down. I tried this and nothing happened. could some one help me with these problems? I am not sure what happened to cause all these problems i have had since Saturday? > Thank you in advance for your help > Bill Deatherage > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Ishe Mobile number: +263 772 930 422 WEB URL: www.chinyoka-educational.com Skype ID: sunshinechinyoka From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Mon May 2 13:39:36 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:39:36 +0100 Subject: Buying DocuScan Plus In-Reply-To: <36DACAE9-99D7-4F85-962E-C813BE7A0F31@mac-access.net> References: <0EA2ED31-045C-4B31-B231-858017C9D9F7@mac-access.net> <7B32816A-E0D8-42C1-9314-2B77478E801E@mac-access.net> <36DACAE9-99D7-4F85-962E-C813BE7A0F31@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <5ADDDFF7-7EEF-44A5-B5A0-0953BC71F72D@gmail.com> i don't have a full system access license though I did buy one for my netbook a while ago a system access icense so maybe that's why On 2 May 2011, at 11:51, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello William > > I just tried again and I am still getting the same problem. I wonder if this is account specific. > > Lynne > > On 2 May 2011, at 11:34, william lomas wrote: > > yes when I tried it just i hit purchase docuscan plus on the > www.docuscanplus.com > site, and logged in then clicked next after initial screen, and then it asks me to confirm my details. I doubt I will be buying though as I already have openbook > > On 2 May 2011, at 11:26, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hello William >> >> On 2 May 2011, at 10:43, william lomas wrote: >> >> doesn't do this for me >> >> Are you saying that if you hit the "Purchase" link, then enter your account number, PIN and hit Log In, you don't get an error? >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From billd at insightbb.com Mon May 2 14:56:02 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 09:56:02 -0400 Subject: another Iphone issue In-Reply-To: <2DD3BA68-BC04-4D1A-8BF3-2CA7B90BEF57@gmail.com> References: <2DD3BA68-BC04-4D1A-8BF3-2CA7B90BEF57@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9B538DE7-F8AF-4DEA-8839-90AAE5C6E2A8@insightbb.com> Hello, i found the button to turn the phone up and down but I can't find the button to turn the ringer on and off. again, thank you. Bill Deatherage From lynne at mac-access.net Mon May 2 15:10:19 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 15:10:19 +0100 Subject: Buying DocuScan Plus In-Reply-To: <5ADDDFF7-7EEF-44A5-B5A0-0953BC71F72D@gmail.com> References: <0EA2ED31-045C-4B31-B231-858017C9D9F7@mac-access.net> <7B32816A-E0D8-42C1-9314-2B77478E801E@mac-access.net> <36DACAE9-99D7-4F85-962E-C813BE7A0F31@mac-access.net> <5ADDDFF7-7EEF-44A5-B5A0-0953BC71F72D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello William That is exactly why! You have a license on your account so therefore, it doesn't give you the prompt. So we've been checking all this stuff but you weren't on the same level. :) Lynne On 2 May 2011, at 13:39, william lomas wrote: i don't have a full system access license though I did buy one for my netbook a while ago a system access icense so maybe that's why On 2 May 2011, at 11:51, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello William > > I just tried again and I am still getting the same problem. I wonder if this is account specific. > > Lynne > > On 2 May 2011, at 11:34, william lomas wrote: > > yes when I tried it just i hit purchase docuscan plus on the > www.docuscanplus.com > site, and logged in then clicked next after initial screen, and then it asks me to confirm my details. I doubt I will be buying though as I already have openbook > > On 2 May 2011, at 11:26, Gordon Smith wrote: > >> Hello William >> >> On 2 May 2011, at 10:43, william lomas wrote: >> >> doesn't do this for me >> >> Are you saying that if you hit the "Purchase" link, then enter your account number, PIN and hit Log In, you don't get an error? >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From billd at insightbb.com Mon May 2 15:11:24 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 10:11:24 -0400 Subject: once again it is working Message-ID: Hello once again my iphone is now working. thanks for every ones help on the list for not only this issue but all the help I have got in the past. this list has been a valuable resource. Bill Deatherage From edworrell at bresnan.net Mon May 2 15:27:13 2011 From: edworrell at bresnan.net (Ed Worrell) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 08:27:13 -0600 Subject: Another Difficult Site In-Reply-To: <65113158-6B8D-45A3-BB06-671E5510D104@mac-access.net> References: <29095DA6-6E5C-4352-958F-E6E1E4019A28@mac-access.net> <879F5BE6-76D4-47CF-A9C2-3E12BAB5FA79@internode.on.net> <65113158-6B8D-45A3-BB06-671E5510D104@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <15599870-B80E-4C5B-8E2E-1D3FCAD6B17F@bresnan.net> I don't know if anyone has said anything about this, But if you cmd f5 or cmd tab to another window and then back it fixes it most of the time. hth ED From lynne at mac-access.net Mon May 2 15:29:15 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 15:29:15 +0100 Subject: Another gentle reminder Message-ID: Hello everybody Sorry to harp on about this; but please remember to make your subject lines descriptive. Subjects such as "it works", "It's broken", "It's getting worse" are very unhelpful. When users browse their mail, they don't know what you're talking about; so they have to open your message in order to see. If your issue has no relevance to them, you've just wasted their time. Also, if people are using the archives, those kinds of subject lines are extremely irritating because they slow down searches. I've actually encountered one person who refuses now to open messages whose subject lines are not clear and descriptive of a problem or issue. I can sort of understand where they are coming from. So please don't use vague subject lines in the threads you start and also take some responsibility if you're replying to a thread and the subject changes. Change the subject line to match the new content you're discussing. Your cooperation would be very much appreciated by those members who have busy schedules and don't have the time to read absolutely everything. You're more likely to get their help if you comply with these few pointers. Also, we here at Mac Access Dot Net frequently find our time is being wasted by this because we have to look at everything on list to make sure it stays on topic. Thank you. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Mon May 2 15:32:24 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 15:32:24 +0100 Subject: Another Difficult Site In-Reply-To: <15599870-B80E-4C5B-8E2E-1D3FCAD6B17F@bresnan.net> References: <29095DA6-6E5C-4352-958F-E6E1E4019A28@mac-access.net> <879F5BE6-76D4-47CF-A9C2-3E12BAB5FA79@internode.on.net> <65113158-6B8D-45A3-BB06-671E5510D104@mac-access.net> <15599870-B80E-4C5B-8E2E-1D3FCAD6B17F@bresnan.net> Message-ID: Hello Ed Yes this is a known "quick-fix" but it often doesn't help because focus shifts away from where you left it on a web page. Actually even without VoiceOver running there are problems in the latest version of Safari. I'm not blind or visually impaired; but I frequently encounter things which don't render properly or which don't behave right when you click on them. I have also seen 2 spectacular browser crashes in the last few days and also 1 major system crash when browsing a website. Lynne From edworrell at bresnan.net Mon May 2 16:00:53 2011 From: edworrell at bresnan.net (Ed Worrell) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 09:00:53 -0600 Subject: Another Difficult Site In-Reply-To: References: <29095DA6-6E5C-4352-958F-E6E1E4019A28@mac-access.net> <879F5BE6-76D4-47CF-A9C2-3E12BAB5FA79@internode.on.net> <65113158-6B8D-45A3-BB06-671E5510D104@mac-access.net> <15599870-B80E-4C5B-8E2E-1D3FCAD6B17F@bresnan.net> Message-ID: Yeah, I have problems on facebook mobile and uploading songs to my sound cloud page, both seem to crash a few times a day. ED check out my music at http://soundcloud.com/blinded From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon May 2 16:03:55 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 16:03:55 +0100 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: <998FABBF-8BD6-46EB-885D-9B7957B91CFB@softcon.com> References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> <998FABBF-8BD6-46EB-885D-9B7957B91CFB@softcon.com> Message-ID: <47199207-74C0-4102-AAD7-4EE24866AAD2@blueyonder.co.uk> You can use the built in camera, but it is not recommended because the built in camera is probably only 1 mega pixel, not really high enough for decent OCR results, and plus you would have to hold the paper very still. On 1 May 2011, at 16:04, Travis Siegel wrote: > Ok, why do they recomend *not* using the built-in camera on the macs? > I'd think this would be the first thing they'd integrate with, just to make things easier for mac users. > Recomending that blind folks not use the camera that everyone else in the world takes great care to support, imo, is just silly. > Unless the price comes down, and they begin supporting built-in cameras, I will not be using this software. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon May 2 16:05:56 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 16:05:56 +0100 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> <4DBAD952.4090308@internode.on.net> <81D2EE55-2CAD-40EF-AA55-4B4F66DA42BD@gmail.com> <33F260FC-6ED3-4D58-9651-220F60C87747@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Ah thanks, but please ignore this comment as for some reason it appeared quite some time after posting it, I got it sorted not long after posting this at the time. Thank you anyway. I am now using the software with my Canon scanner and very impressed. On 1 May 2011, at 17:50, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Chris, > > I have the 7 day trial. Go to www.docuscanplus.com You can follow the link there to sign up, etc. Barring that, call up tech support and the nice folks can probably help. > > Cait > > On Apr 29, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Has anyone successfully got the 7 day trial for the Mac? Every time I try to log in I am asked to install System Access which is a tad tricky on the Mac. >> >> PS Nick, yo came across well on the Mobile Access podcast. >> >> >> On 29 Apr 2011, at 16:32, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi Dane, >>> >>> I'm glad for your response. :) >>> >>> I don't doubt the company, since I honestly think that it's fantastic that they're offering screen readers and a lot of other services at a very good price. The company even has a finance program, so you can pay on a monthly basis at a low price to eventually pay off the full price. I haven't seen a lot of companies do this, particularly those catering to the needs of visually impaired users. >>> >>> Again, I follow the concept that you worded differently than I did, but the exact same one. :) >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> >>> >>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> Well I can't comment as I don't use a Mac for scanning - well at least not at the moment and I don't see any point in changing what I do, "if it ain't broke then don't fix it" but what I do know is that the company who made this app are committed to accessibility and good tech support, I own one of their other products here and the support for that is excellent. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 30/04/2011 1:26 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>> Hi Dane, >>>>> >>>>> yeah, I will. Also, I just can't justify the $299 price tag. Sure, I can retrieve my information from the cloud, but at the same time, that's not really a feature I care about since I'm either collaborating with Dropbox, keeping my documents stored on an external drive or on the iPhone via a host of applications. I can use Mac OS X services to convert my file to an audio format, even though DocuScan+ probably can do it without having to convert to text prior to performing that task. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps I'm being too harsh on the developers of the product, since I honestly think it's nice that there are more solutions available, and obviously this is just my personal opinion. >>>>> >>>>> I'll stick with what I'm happy with until I'm unhappy with it. If I become unhappy, maybe I'll consider it, but until then I'm not counting on spending money on a program that might produce just as fantastic result as my current solution. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic >>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I can't answer those questions, I suggest you look at the URL and see if some of those questions are answered for you there. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30/04/2011 1:16 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As usual, I want to compare this product to other similar products+ that probably do as good as a job as this one. I just can't help myself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course, if this product has an OCR engine which renders a document with a 99.5% success rate, then I might swap it with the current one, but somehow I doubt that's the case. What I already use is perfectly accessible, and my PDFs, including scans have been without errors particularly recently. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, does it support multiple languages? If not, that's already a personal dealbreaker for me, since I need to do OCR in Danish no matter how good the engine is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Okay, here's another fully accessible piece of software developed for the blind and visually impaired that won't set you back an arm and a leg. Its a piece of OCR software from a company that produces software you can invest in for the rest of your life, once you buy the software then that's it, a lifetime's worth of upgrades for nothing, continued tech support etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=432595763&mt=12 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon May 2 16:09:39 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 16:09:39 +0100 Subject: docuscan plus In-Reply-To: References: <4686FA70-8DB0-4B0A-A4AF-76777F914D0C@gmail.com> Message-ID: I think you have mis understood. Not all files contain trutype embedded text. Some PDF documents (especially older ones) are just scanned graphic files which a sighted person can read, but the text is in graphical format and can't be picked up by a screen reader. Docuscan can perform OCR on these PDF files and create editable text. On 1 May 2011, at 20:28, Travis Siegel wrote: > > On May 1, 2011, at 12:51 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> >> I just did a pdf with docuscan and it did a good job. > To be perfectly honest, I'm extremely puzzled why the ocr a pdf option is there for pdf files that aren't images. > OSX reads pdf files just fine, so having another program that takes longer, and may or may not have the same accuracy as reading the pdf directly using preview, softcon pdf reader, or any number of other pdf readers on the mac is just a bit silly (imo) Of course, I suppose it was easy enough to add, and it doesn't hurt to be comprehensive I suppose, but in that case, it's not really ocring the pdf file, it's simply using osx libraries to yank the content, so why call it ocr anyhow? > I realize it's more a matter of symantecs than anything else, but still, it irritates me when programs claim to do something they're not actually doing. > If it's a pdf with images, then by all means, ocr it, but otherwise, don't tell me you're recognizing the document, when all you're doing is asking the os for the text out of the file. > > And, if they are actually performing ocr on such pdf files, it's a waste of cpu cycles, and they ought to be shot for wasting my time. > > Anyway, that's my thoughts on the matter, take them or leave them as you desire. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From annieskovnielsen at gmail.com Mon May 2 16:10:10 2011 From: annieskovnielsen at gmail.com (Annie Skov Nielsen) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 17:10:10 +0200 Subject: Nisus Writer Pro In-Reply-To: References: <31629330-6676-4197-BE0A-885B92F75AFB@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hi. I am also a nisus writer pro user. A lot of things works great with nisus. There are a few things, that could be fixed. Some unlabled buttons, an easier way to make headings and table of contents. It is the only program which I can use for reading braille music files, that works really good. I can also open grade two braille files and keep the correct formating without problems. The program can be a little slow, I think it is something to do with VoiceOver. But you can set up a lot of your own hotkeys, maybe that could fix some problems. Best regards Annie. On May 2, 2011, at 2:11 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Interesting, I don't have this problem at all! what view style do you use? > > > On 02/05/2011, at 9:48 AM, Kevin R. Fjelsted wrote: > >> Nisus Writer Pro works well for me. There are a few areas that I have >> experienced the need to grow in patience. It seems that if I select >> all of a doc because I want to change a style or font that the menus >> become very very sluggish so getting to the formatting menu is then a >> tricky matter. Has anyone found a workaround for this issue? I sent a >> note to Nisus Writer Pro support explaining the issue as well as >> discussing some buttons that are not labeled. It is a great word >> processor because of how accessible it is. I would encourage that more >> of us write the company and explain in a very positive way how we are >> using the product with VoiceOver and asking if they will help fix the >> few remaining areas that are problematical for VO users. >> -Kevin >> >> >> On 5/1/11, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> Been using it for the last 5 years I think, highly recommended. >>> >>> Most areas in the software are hugely accessible and the use of the software >>> is quite straight forward. >>> >>> >>> On 02/05/2011, at 7:17 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, All! Does anyone have experience using Nisus Writer Pro? Am thinking >>>> of buying this package, as it seems pretty comprehensive. Thanks in >>>> advance. >>>> >>>> Matthew Chao >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>>> Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>> and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>> the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>> Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>> the list website at: >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon May 2 16:23:48 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 16:23:48 +0100 Subject: DocuScan Plus & Canon Scanners In-Reply-To: <2ABE7641-8BF6-43F1-9F0C-8BCF9DB3C26F@mac-access.net> References: <2ABE7641-8BF6-43F1-9F0C-8BCF9DB3C26F@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Have you tried doing it via the app? On 2 May 2011, at 11:47, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > On 2 May 2011, at 11:27, Chris Moore wrote: > > ? Great, you, can pay via PayPal or credit card, it cost me ?183 via paypal, not bad really. > > This is interesting; because it won't let me log in to the account I created. It keeps telling me I need to use System Access. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Mon May 2 16:30:33 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 17:30:33 +0200 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: <47199207-74C0-4102-AAD7-4EE24866AAD2@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> <998FABBF-8BD6-46EB-885D-9B7957B91CFB@softcon.com> <47199207-74C0-4102-AAD7-4EE24866AAD2@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <3B44EEB5-3E00-4FDC-8AA2-5FA1F3337FB7@gmail.com> Hi Chris, Just a correction. The built-in iSight camera is 1.3 megapixels on the newer Macbook and MacBook pros, and outputs an image of 1280x1024. The MacBook Air boasts a 0.3 megapixels, and a 640x480 image. Again, you can actually get good results if you first of all know how to make the iSight camera catch the paper just right. Distance really matters here. It's not recommended, but definitely more than usable in a pinch. Regards, Nic Den May 2, 2011 kl. 5:03 PM skrev Chris Moore: > You can use the built in camera, but it is not recommended because the built in camera is probably only 1 mega pixel, not really high enough for decent OCR results, and plus you would have to hold the paper very still. > On 1 May 2011, at 16:04, Travis Siegel wrote: > >> Ok, why do they recomend *not* using the built-in camera on the macs? >> I'd think this would be the first thing they'd integrate with, just to make things easier for mac users. >> Recomending that blind folks not use the camera that everyone else in the world takes great care to support, imo, is just silly. >> Unless the price comes down, and they begin supporting built-in cameras, I will not be using this software. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Mon May 2 16:35:38 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 16:35:38 +0100 Subject: How to buy DocuScan Plus Message-ID: Hi, all OK, here's how to bring up the "Buy Wizard" for DocuScan Plus. This will allow you to buy the programme even if you don't have System Access. Step 1: Make sure that DocuScan Plus is not running Step 2: Delete: /Users//Library/Preferences/com.serotek.DocuScanPlusMac.plist Where = the account on your system which runs the application. I'm sorry, I always forget how to write this in proper variable format. Step 3: Start DocuScan Plus At the login screen, press the "Learn more" button, then the "Buy Docuscan Plus for $299" link. You'll be asked for a login and PIN. Enter these using the account you created when you first tried the app. Then you'll get the purchase pages. It's OK to ignore the "run System Access" link. Bear in mind that this page is also available to Windows users who may not have a screen-reader running, thus the link to run a temporary one. I don't like their methodology on this much at all, and I hope they fix this problem. But at least there is a work-around. Gordon From eka at ekanet.net Mon May 2 17:16:28 2011 From: eka at ekanet.net (Emrah) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 18:16:28 +0200 Subject: Remote control a Mac server In-Reply-To: <180D972C-88D4-4FE9-87CD-B1E43AF1C53E@mac-access.net> References: <20110424172549.GA9500@willow.kavun.ch> <180D972C-88D4-4FE9-87CD-B1E43AF1C53E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <20110502161628.GA21172@willow.kavun.ch> Hi Lynne, Thanks for your reply. My initial questions were: Is it possible to fully administer a SnowLeopard server remotely? Is it accessible? Can it be all achieved through command line and an SSH access, or do we need some sort of VNC? I would love to hear about your experience. Thanks, Emrah ----- Original Message ----- From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith Sent: Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 10:44:53PM +0100 Subject: Re: Remote control a Mac server > There is a limited range of very limited GUI apps but it depends on how basic you want to me, or otherwise. > > In your /Appplications/Seerver folder you can find then. > > Lynne > > > On 24 Apr 2011, at 18:25, Emrah wrote: > > Hi all, > > After spending a long time trying to install Debian on my Mac Mini 4.1 server edition, I gave up and decided to use Snowleopard server instead. > My questions are: > * Anybody here administers a Snowleopard server? Gordon perhaps? > * How do you administer the server remotely? Does Mac have all admin commands built in ssh, or do you use some sort of VNC? > * If it is VNC, do you know a way to remotely control a Mac with VoiceOver? > * Any manual to get familiarized with Mac OS specific commands? > > All the best, > Emrah > -- > Emrah > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Emrah From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon May 2 17:27:16 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 11:27:16 -0500 Subject: docuscan plus In-Reply-To: References: <4686FA70-8DB0-4B0A-A4AF-76777F914D0C@gmail.com> Message-ID: On May 2, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > I think you have mis understood. Not all files contain trutype > embedded text. Some PDF documents (especially older ones) are just > scanned graphic files which a sighted person can read, but the text > is in graphical format and can't be picked up by a screen reader. > Docuscan can perform OCR on these PDF files and create editable text. I misunderstood nothing. if you read my original message, you'll see I said >> To be perfectly honest, I'm extremely puzzled why the ocr a pdf >> option is there for pdf files that aren't images. > Note the are *not* images part. You're the second person who misread my post. I realize voiceover doesn't always say things properly, especially at high rates of speed, but the word aren't definitely doesn't coe across as are in most cases. Please make an effort to reply to what was said, not what you think was said. This is still something I'm trying to get my 9-year-old son to understand, I'd expect better on a list populated ith intelligent adults as this list is. Sorry if this seems harsh, but this isn't the first time I've seen posts that answered a question that wasn't asked, or failed to address the question being raised. It takes only a few seconds more to make sure you read the messages properly before responding, and I'd urge all to do so, to prevent misunderstandings in the future. > On 1 May 2011, at 20:28, Travis Siegel wrote: > >> >> On May 1, 2011, at 12:51 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >>> >>> I just did a pdf with docuscan and it did a good job. >> To be perfectly honest, I'm extremely puzzled why the ocr a pdf >> option is there for pdf files that aren't images. >> OSX reads pdf files just fine, so having another program that >> takes longer, and may or may not have the same accuracy as >> reading the pdf directly using preview, softcon pdf reader, or any >> number of other pdf readers on the mac is just a bit silly (imo) >> Of course, I suppose it was easy enough to add, and it doesn't >> hurt to be comprehensive I suppose, but in that case, it's not >> really ocring the pdf file, it's simply using osx libraries to >> yank the content, so why call it ocr anyhow? >> I realize it's more a matter of symantecs than anything else, but >> still, it irritates me when programs claim to do something they're >> not actually doing. >> If it's a pdf with images, then by all means, ocr it, but >> otherwise, don't tell me you're recognizing the document, when all >> you're doing is asking the os for the text out of the file. >> >> And, if they are actually performing ocr on such pdf files, it's a >> waste of cpu cycles, and they ought to be shot for wasting my time. >> >> Anyway, that's my thoughts on the matter, take them or leave them >> as you desire. >> >> _______________________________________________ From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon May 2 17:30:27 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 11:30:27 -0500 Subject: Remote control a Mac server In-Reply-To: <20110502161628.GA21172@willow.kavun.ch> References: <20110424172549.GA9500@willow.kavun.ch> <180D972C-88D4-4FE9-87CD-B1E43AF1C53E@mac-access.net> <20110502161628.GA21172@willow.kavun.ch> Message-ID: <2188D051-6BE0-4132-8ADA-136117ED86C3@softcon.com> osx is just like any other unix-based solution, it is perfectly accessible via command-line, although the graphical tools are provided to make configuring easier. Often times, if you know what you're doing, the command-line is both faster, and more convinient, since there's sometimes options that cannot be set in the gui clients. On the other hand, if the gui is all you can use, there's no reason not to use them, as they will handle most of what needs done, and depending on how complex your needs are, they may handle the entire configuration and maintenance of your servers. From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon May 2 17:35:42 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 02:35:42 +1000 Subject: Nisus Writer Pro In-Reply-To: References: <31629330-6676-4197-BE0A-885B92F75AFB@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4DBEDD5E.6040309@internode.on.net> Another interesting post, I have no problems with headings or tables of contents, they're probably some of the easier features I've found to use in Nisus Writer Pro but if you actually want to make and draw tables? Well yep, then you do have a problem and I found a way around that, if I want to create and work with tables then I don't use Nisus writer or any word processing package at all, I use the Tables spreadsheet software. On 3/05/2011 1:10 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: > Hi. > > I am also a nisus writer pro user. A lot of things works great with nisus. > > There are a few things, that could be fixed. Some unlabled buttons, an easier way to make headings and table of contents. It is the only program which I can use for reading braille music files, that works really good. I can also open grade two braille files and keep the correct formating without problems. > > The program can be a little slow, I think it is something to do with VoiceOver. > > But you can set up a lot of your own hotkeys, maybe that could fix some problems. > > Best regards Annie. > On May 2, 2011, at 2:11 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Interesting, I don't have this problem at all! what view style do you use? >> >> >> On 02/05/2011, at 9:48 AM, Kevin R. Fjelsted wrote: >> >>> Nisus Writer Pro works well for me. There are a few areas that I have >>> experienced the need to grow in patience. It seems that if I select >>> all of a doc because I want to change a style or font that the menus >>> become very very sluggish so getting to the formatting menu is then a >>> tricky matter. Has anyone found a workaround for this issue? I sent a >>> note to Nisus Writer Pro support explaining the issue as well as >>> discussing some buttons that are not labeled. It is a great word >>> processor because of how accessible it is. I would encourage that more >>> of us write the company and explain in a very positive way how we are >>> using the product with VoiceOver and asking if they will help fix the >>> few remaining areas that are problematical for VO users. >>> -Kevin >>> >>> >>> On 5/1/11, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>> Been using it for the last 5 years I think, highly recommended. >>>> >>>> Most areas in the software are hugely accessible and the use of the software >>>> is quite straight forward. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 02/05/2011, at 7:17 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, All! Does anyone have experience using Nisus Writer Pro? Am thinking >>>>> of buying this package, as it seems pretty comprehensive. Thanks in >>>>> advance. >>>>> >>>>> Matthew Chao >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>>>> Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>>> and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>>> the list website at: >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>>> Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>> and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>> the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon May 2 18:02:19 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 18:02:19 +0100 Subject: docuscan plus In-Reply-To: References: <4686FA70-8DB0-4B0A-A4AF-76777F914D0C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7D527106-1671-4A7F-BDDA-2B8FA99D37BC@blueyonder.co.uk> Ah sorry! My apologies, I was trying to be a smart ass and get through 800 emails as I have not been on much for the last few days :) On 2 May 2011, at 17:27, Travis Siegel wrote: > > On May 2, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> I think you have mis understood. Not all files contain trutype embedded text. Some PDF documents (especially older ones) are just scanned graphic files which a sighted person can read, but the text is in graphical format and can't be picked up by a screen reader. Docuscan can perform OCR on these PDF files and create editable text. > > > I misunderstood nothing. if you read my original message, you'll see I said >>> To be perfectly honest, I'm extremely puzzled why the ocr a pdf option is there for pdf files that aren't images. >> > Note the are *not* images part. > You're the second person who misread my post. > I realize voiceover doesn't always say things properly, especially at high rates of speed, but the word aren't definitely doesn't coe across as are in most cases. > Please make an effort to reply to what was said, not what you think was said. This is still something I'm trying to get my 9-year-old son to understand, I'd expect better on a list populated ith intelligent adults as this list is. > Sorry if this seems harsh, but this isn't the first time I've seen posts that answered a question that wasn't asked, or failed to address the question being raised. It takes only a few seconds more to make sure you read the messages properly before responding, and I'd urge all to do so, to prevent misunderstandings in the future. > >> On 1 May 2011, at 20:28, Travis Siegel wrote: >> >>> >>> On May 1, 2011, at 12:51 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >>>> >>>> I just did a pdf with docuscan and it did a good job. >>> To be perfectly honest, I'm extremely puzzled why the ocr a pdf option is there for pdf files that aren't images. >>> OSX reads pdf files just fine, so having another program that takes longer, and may or may not have the same accuracy as reading the pdf directly using preview, softcon pdf reader, or any number of other pdf readers on the mac is just a bit silly (imo) Of course, I suppose it was easy enough to add, and it doesn't hurt to be comprehensive I suppose, but in that case, it's not really ocring the pdf file, it's simply using osx libraries to yank the content, so why call it ocr anyhow? >>> I realize it's more a matter of symantecs than anything else, but still, it irritates me when programs claim to do something they're not actually doing. >>> If it's a pdf with images, then by all means, ocr it, but otherwise, don't tell me you're recognizing the document, when all you're doing is asking the os for the text out of the file. >>> >>> And, if they are actually performing ocr on such pdf files, it's a waste of cpu cycles, and they ought to be shot for wasting my time. >>> >>> Anyway, that's my thoughts on the matter, take them or leave them as you desire. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From kfjelsted at gmail.com Mon May 2 18:11:48 2011 From: kfjelsted at gmail.com (Kevin Fjelsted) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:11:48 -0500 Subject: Nisus Writer Pro In-Reply-To: References: <31629330-6676-4197-BE0A-885B92F75AFB@internode.on.net> Message-ID: I have tried both draft and page view. If I do a CMD-A I.E., select all on a doc then the top menu goes to a crawl. -Kevin On May 1, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Interesting, I don't have this problem at all! what view style do you use? > > > On 02/05/2011, at 9:48 AM, Kevin R. Fjelsted wrote: > >> Nisus Writer Pro works well for me. There are a few areas that I have >> experienced the need to grow in patience. It seems that if I select >> all of a doc because I want to change a style or font that the menus >> become very very sluggish so getting to the formatting menu is then a >> tricky matter. Has anyone found a workaround for this issue? I sent a >> note to Nisus Writer Pro support explaining the issue as well as >> discussing some buttons that are not labeled. It is a great word >> processor because of how accessible it is. I would encourage that more >> of us write the company and explain in a very positive way how we are >> using the product with VoiceOver and asking if they will help fix the >> few remaining areas that are problematical for VO users. >> -Kevin >> >> >> On 5/1/11, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> Been using it for the last 5 years I think, highly recommended. >>> >>> Most areas in the software are hugely accessible and the use of the software >>> is quite straight forward. >>> >>> >>> On 02/05/2011, at 7:17 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, All! Does anyone have experience using Nisus Writer Pro? Am thinking >>>> of buying this package, as it seems pretty comprehensive. Thanks in >>>> advance. >>>> >>>> Matthew Chao >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>>> Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>> and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>> the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>> Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>> the list website at: >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lavendar at bell.net Mon May 2 18:13:14 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:13:14 -0400 Subject: VM Ware fusion, installing VM tools, stuck, In-Reply-To: <7347CCEC-E5D7-4B3D-98A2-E7C4E4E2D6DD@mac-access.net> References: <4dbd8788.1463dc0a.603a.2dd4@mx.google.com> <7347CCEC-E5D7-4B3D-98A2-E7C4E4E2D6DD@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Ok, so you have to do this with the fusion dvd in the slot, then? Will it let you know when the tools are installed? I noticed the other day that my virtual machine says "test machine" Maybe this is part of my problems getting this thing to run... Caitlyn On May 1, 2011, at 1:16 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Kevin > > This takes some time but just let it run. > > On 1 May 2011, at 17:17, Kevin Barry wrote: > > I have installed VMWare Fusion on my Mac along with a copy of Win7 Home premium. > the OS seems to have installed just fine judging by the Windows startup sound I get however I am prompted to install VM Tools. > when I do this I am told to click on install which I do. > the VM Ware disk spins but then nothing appears to happen. > I looked on the disk itself and there are only three applications listed with no subfolders, but I was looking from finder on the Mac. > My speech program doesn't talk with windows, I expect, due to the lack of VM Tools. > any ideas, please help. > thanks. > kevin > > > > > Kevin Barry > If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lavendar at bell.net Mon May 2 18:15:40 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:15:40 -0400 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> <4DBAD952.4090308@internode.on.net> <81D2EE55-2CAD-40EF-AA55-4B4F66DA42BD@gmail.com> <33F260FC-6ED3-4D58-9651-220F60C87747@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Oops, sorry, Lynn! Yep, I'm finding some things out with this program myself which might mean I'm not going to purchase it myself, either! This being in the cloud thing, for one thing.. I can't seem to do a batch scan, for one thing, can't get past the first page. Not much good for doing my text books now, is that? Looks like I'll be firing up vu scan and abbyy fine reader and trying them out... Caitlyn On May 1, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Cait > > It is we, not Christ, who is having this problem I thnk. I would point out that a call to tech support would e an expensive exercise from overseas. I don't plan to spend more money helping them fix what should never be broken in the first place. > > Lynne > > > On 1 May 2011, at 17:50, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > > Chris, > > I have the 7 day trial. Go to www.docuscanplus.com You can follow the link there to sign up, etc. Barring that, call up tech support and the nice folks can probably help. > > Cait > > On Apr 29, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Has anyone successfully got the 7 day trial for the Mac? Every time I try to log in I am asked to install System Access which is a tad tricky on the Mac. >> >> PS Nick, yo came across well on the Mobile Access podcast. >> >> >> On 29 Apr 2011, at 16:32, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi Dane, >>> >>> I'm glad for your response. :) >>> >>> I don't doubt the company, since I honestly think that it's fantastic that they're offering screen readers and a lot of other services at a very good price. The company even has a finance program, so you can pay on a monthly basis at a low price to eventually pay off the full price. I haven't seen a lot of companies do this, particularly those catering to the needs of visually impaired users. >>> >>> Again, I follow the concept that you worded differently than I did, but the exact same one. :) >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> >>> >>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> Well I can't comment as I don't use a Mac for scanning - well at least not at the moment and I don't see any point in changing what I do, "if it ain't broke then don't fix it" but what I do know is that the company who made this app are committed to accessibility and good tech support, I own one of their other products here and the support for that is excellent. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 30/04/2011 1:26 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>> Hi Dane, >>>>> >>>>> yeah, I will. Also, I just can't justify the $299 price tag. Sure, I can retrieve my information from the cloud, but at the same time, that's not really a feature I care about since I'm either collaborating with Dropbox, keeping my documents stored on an external drive or on the iPhone via a host of applications. I can use Mac OS X services to convert my file to an audio format, even though DocuScan+ probably can do it without having to convert to text prior to performing that task. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps I'm being too harsh on the developers of the product, since I honestly think it's nice that there are more solutions available, and obviously this is just my personal opinion. >>>>> >>>>> I'll stick with what I'm happy with until I'm unhappy with it. If I become unhappy, maybe I'll consider it, but until then I'm not counting on spending money on a program that might produce just as fantastic result as my current solution. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic >>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I can't answer those questions, I suggest you look at the URL and see if some of those questions are answered for you there. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30/04/2011 1:16 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As usual, I want to compare this product to other similar products+ that probably do as good as a job as this one. I just can't help myself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course, if this product has an OCR engine which renders a document with a 99.5% success rate, then I might swap it with the current one, but somehow I doubt that's the case. What I already use is perfectly accessible, and my PDFs, including scans have been without errors particularly recently. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, does it support multiple languages? If not, that's already a personal dealbreaker for me, since I need to do OCR in Danish no matter how good the engine is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Okay, here's another fully accessible piece of software developed for the blind and visually impaired that won't set you back an arm and a leg. Its a piece of OCR software from a company that produces software you can invest in for the rest of your life, once you buy the software then that's it, a lifetime's worth of upgrades for nothing, continued tech support etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=432595763&mt=12 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lavendar at bell.net Mon May 2 18:19:08 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:19:08 -0400 Subject: docuscan plus In-Reply-To: References: <4686FA70-8DB0-4B0A-A4AF-76777F914D0C@gmail.com> Message-ID: You're right, I was just curious. This one did have images, though. I'm still on the fence about docuscan, though. Caitlyn On May 1, 2011, at 3:28 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > > On May 1, 2011, at 12:51 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> >> I just did a pdf with docuscan and it did a good job. > To be perfectly honest, I'm extremely puzzled why the ocr a pdf option is there for pdf files that aren't images. > OSX reads pdf files just fine, so having another program that takes longer, and may or may not have the same accuracy as reading the pdf directly using preview, softcon pdf reader, or any number of other pdf readers on the mac is just a bit silly (imo) Of course, I suppose it was easy enough to add, and it doesn't hurt to be comprehensive I suppose, but in that case, it's not really ocring the pdf file, it's simply using osx libraries to yank the content, so why call it ocr anyhow? > I realize it's more a matter of symantecs than anything else, but still, it irritates me when programs claim to do something they're not actually doing. > If it's a pdf with images, then by all means, ocr it, but otherwise, don't tell me you're recognizing the document, when all you're doing is asking the os for the text out of the file. > > And, if they are actually performing ocr on such pdf files, it's a waste of cpu cycles, and they ought to be shot for wasting my time. > > Anyway, that's my thoughts on the matter, take them or leave them as you desire. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon May 2 19:54:17 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 11:54:17 -0700 Subject: docuscan plus In-Reply-To: References: <4686FA70-8DB0-4B0A-A4AF-76777F914D0C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <03271FC8-E0D3-4743-AE26-0A2DF3484CE9@gmail.com> Actually some I recieve are still images lol! but i'm glad docuscan can pick them up lol! Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 2, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: > > On May 2, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> I think you have mis understood. Not all files contain trutype embedded text. Some PDF documents (especially older ones) are just scanned graphic files which a sighted person can read, but the text is in graphical format and can't be picked up by a screen reader. Docuscan can perform OCR on these PDF files and create editable text. > > > I misunderstood nothing. if you read my original message, you'll see I said >>> To be perfectly honest, I'm extremely puzzled why the ocr a pdf option is there for pdf files that aren't images. >> > Note the are *not* images part. > You're the second person who misread my post. > I realize voiceover doesn't always say things properly, especially at high rates of speed, but the word aren't definitely doesn't coe across as are in most cases. > Please make an effort to reply to what was said, not what you think was said. This is still something I'm trying to get my 9-year-old son to understand, I'd expect better on a list populated ith intelligent adults as this list is. > Sorry if this seems harsh, but this isn't the first time I've seen posts that answered a question that wasn't asked, or failed to address the question being raised. It takes only a few seconds more to make sure you read the messages properly before responding, and I'd urge all to do so, to prevent misunderstandings in the future. > >> On 1 May 2011, at 20:28, Travis Siegel wrote: >> >>> >>> On May 1, 2011, at 12:51 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >>>> >>>> I just did a pdf with docuscan and it did a good job. >>> To be perfectly honest, I'm extremely puzzled why the ocr a pdf option is there for pdf files that aren't images. >>> OSX reads pdf files just fine, so having another program that takes longer, and may or may not have the same accuracy as reading the pdf directly using preview, softcon pdf reader, or any number of other pdf readers on the mac is just a bit silly (imo) Of course, I suppose it was easy enough to add, and it doesn't hurt to be comprehensive I suppose, but in that case, it's not really ocring the pdf file, it's simply using osx libraries to yank the content, so why call it ocr anyhow? >>> I realize it's more a matter of symantecs than anything else, but still, it irritates me when programs claim to do something they're not actually doing. >>> If it's a pdf with images, then by all means, ocr it, but otherwise, don't tell me you're recognizing the document, when all you're doing is asking the os for the text out of the file. >>> >>> And, if they are actually performing ocr on such pdf files, it's a waste of cpu cycles, and they ought to be shot for wasting my time. >>> >>> Anyway, that's my thoughts on the matter, take them or leave them as you desire. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon May 2 19:55:07 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 11:55:07 -0700 Subject: VM Ware fusion, installing VM tools, stuck, In-Reply-To: References: <4dbd8788.1463dc0a.603a.2dd4@mx.google.com> <7347CCEC-E5D7-4B3D-98A2-E7C4E4E2D6DD@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Try hitting alt plus y when the dialogue comes up. I didn't try this but it might work. Good luck. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 2, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Ok, so you have to do this with the fusion dvd in the slot, then? Will it let you know when the tools are installed? I noticed the other day that my virtual machine says "test machine" Maybe this is part of my problems getting this thing to run... > > Caitlyn > > On May 1, 2011, at 1:16 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Kevin >> >> This takes some time but just let it run. >> >> On 1 May 2011, at 17:17, Kevin Barry wrote: >> >> I have installed VMWare Fusion on my Mac along with a copy of Win7 Home premium. >> the OS seems to have installed just fine judging by the Windows startup sound I get however I am prompted to install VM Tools. >> when I do this I am told to click on install which I do. >> the VM Ware disk spins but then nothing appears to happen. >> I looked on the disk itself and there are only three applications listed with no subfolders, but I was looking from finder on the Mac. >> My speech program doesn't talk with windows, I expect, due to the lack of VM Tools. >> any ideas, please help. >> thanks. >> kevin >> >> >> >> >> Kevin Barry >> If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon May 2 20:33:53 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 05:33:53 +1000 Subject: Nisus Writer Pro In-Reply-To: References: <31629330-6676-4197-BE0A-885B92F75AFB@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Okay, well suppose you select all your text, go to the view menu, change your view and then change it back to what it was originally, I know this is something you shouldn't have to do but that should solve the problem. On 03/05/2011, at 3:11 AM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: > I have tried both draft and page view. If I do a CMD-A I.E., select all on a doc then the top menu goes to a crawl. > -Kevin > > On May 1, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Interesting, I don't have this problem at all! what view style do you use? >> >> >> On 02/05/2011, at 9:48 AM, Kevin R. Fjelsted wrote: >> >>> Nisus Writer Pro works well for me. There are a few areas that I have >>> experienced the need to grow in patience. It seems that if I select >>> all of a doc because I want to change a style or font that the menus >>> become very very sluggish so getting to the formatting menu is then a >>> tricky matter. Has anyone found a workaround for this issue? I sent a >>> note to Nisus Writer Pro support explaining the issue as well as >>> discussing some buttons that are not labeled. It is a great word >>> processor because of how accessible it is. I would encourage that more >>> of us write the company and explain in a very positive way how we are >>> using the product with VoiceOver and asking if they will help fix the >>> few remaining areas that are problematical for VO users. >>> -Kevin >>> >>> >>> On 5/1/11, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>> Been using it for the last 5 years I think, highly recommended. >>>> >>>> Most areas in the software are hugely accessible and the use of the software >>>> is quite straight forward. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 02/05/2011, at 7:17 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, All! Does anyone have experience using Nisus Writer Pro? Am thinking >>>>> of buying this package, as it seems pretty comprehensive. Thanks in >>>>> advance. >>>>> >>>>> Matthew Chao >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>>>> Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>>> and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>>> the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>>> Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>> and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>> the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon May 2 20:38:52 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:38:52 -0700 Subject: vlc and playlists Message-ID: <7BAAA49D-7704-431C-8960-1DE7E33CEC07@gmail.com> Hello to all. Does anyoneknow how to have VLC read the playlist? all I see is image when I check the playlist box in the main window. This is getting frustrating and fast. Thanks. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon May 2 20:40:27 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 05:40:27 +1000 Subject: vlc and playlists In-Reply-To: <7BAAA49D-7704-431C-8960-1DE7E33CEC07@gmail.com> References: <7BAAA49D-7704-431C-8960-1DE7E33CEC07@gmail.com> Message-ID: I just open the Playlist I need in VLC. On 03/05/2011, at 5:38 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Hello to all. > > Does anyoneknow how to have VLC read the playlist? all I see is image when I check the playlist box in the main window. This is getting frustrating and fast. > > Thanks. > > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon May 2 20:45:06 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:45:06 -0700 Subject: vlc and playlists In-Reply-To: References: <7BAAA49D-7704-431C-8960-1DE7E33CEC07@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7016D163-6D92-4359-A7CB-FC50BC7E93FC@gmail.com> Yeah I do that to, but I need to look at my playlist as I have to say what I'm playing for a broadcast and I cannot see the titles of the tracks I played before or the tracks I'm going to play. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 2, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > I just open the Playlist I need in VLC. > > > On 03/05/2011, at 5:38 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Hello to all. >> >> Does anyoneknow how to have VLC read the playlist? all I see is image when I check the playlist box in the main window. This is getting frustrating and fast. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon May 2 20:46:38 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 05:46:38 +1000 Subject: vlc and playlists In-Reply-To: <7016D163-6D92-4359-A7CB-FC50BC7E93FC@gmail.com> References: <7BAAA49D-7704-431C-8960-1DE7E33CEC07@gmail.com> <7016D163-6D92-4359-A7CB-FC50BC7E93FC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9D9BCADB-9141-4F8E-B721-13F6B436B4C7@internode.on.net> Okay, so you're talking about editing a Playlist then? I've never tried that, only way around that is to view the list in Text Edit whilst you have VLC open. On 03/05/2011, at 5:45 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Yeah I do that to, but I need to look at my playlist as I have to say what I'm playing for a broadcast and I cannot see the titles of the tracks I played before or the tracks I'm going to play. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 2, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> I just open the Playlist I need in VLC. >> >> >> On 03/05/2011, at 5:38 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> Hello to all. >>> >>> Does anyoneknow how to have VLC read the playlist? all I see is image when I check the playlist box in the main window. This is getting frustrating and fast. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Sarah Alawami >>> >>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>> >>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>> >>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon May 2 20:51:18 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 12:51:18 -0700 Subject: vlc and playlists In-Reply-To: <9D9BCADB-9141-4F8E-B721-13F6B436B4C7@internode.on.net> References: <7BAAA49D-7704-431C-8960-1DE7E33CEC07@gmail.com> <7016D163-6D92-4359-A7CB-FC50BC7E93FC@gmail.com> <9D9BCADB-9141-4F8E-B721-13F6B436B4C7@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Ah that sucks. I used to be able to see the playlists I believe in the older versions of vlc. I don't want to edit it I want to see it like in cog? lol! I can see a list of songs that are queued up. I'm surprised that the devs didn't think to make that usable for us, or anyone for that matter since all it shows is an image. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 2, 2011, at 12:46 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Okay, so you're talking about editing a Playlist then? I've never tried that, only way around that is to view the list in Text Edit whilst you have VLC open. > > > On 03/05/2011, at 5:45 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Yeah I do that to, but I need to look at my playlist as I have to say what I'm playing for a broadcast and I cannot see the titles of the tracks I played before or the tracks I'm going to play. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On May 2, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> I just open the Playlist I need in VLC. >>> >>> >>> On 03/05/2011, at 5:38 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> >>>> Hello to all. >>>> >>>> Does anyoneknow how to have VLC read the playlist? all I see is image when I check the playlist box in the main window. This is getting frustrating and fast. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Sarah Alawami >>>> >>>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>>> >>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon May 2 20:56:21 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 05:56:21 +1000 Subject: vlc and playlists In-Reply-To: References: <7BAAA49D-7704-431C-8960-1DE7E33CEC07@gmail.com> <7016D163-6D92-4359-A7CB-FC50BC7E93FC@gmail.com> <9D9BCADB-9141-4F8E-B721-13F6B436B4C7@internode.on.net> Message-ID: well that's okay, just cursor up and down with Text Edit and you'll see it! . On 03/05/2011, at 5:51 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Ah that sucks. I used to be able to see the playlists I believe in the older versions of vlc. I don't want to edit it I want to see it like in cog? lol! I can see a list of songs that are queued up. I'm surprised that the devs didn't think to make that usable for us, or anyone for that matter since all it shows is an image. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 2, 2011, at 12:46 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Okay, so you're talking about editing a Playlist then? I've never tried that, only way around that is to view the list in Text Edit whilst you have VLC open. >> >> >> On 03/05/2011, at 5:45 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> Yeah I do that to, but I need to look at my playlist as I have to say what I'm playing for a broadcast and I cannot see the titles of the tracks I played before or the tracks I'm going to play. >>> Sarah Alawami >>> >>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>> >>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>> >>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>> >>> On May 2, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> I just open the Playlist I need in VLC. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 03/05/2011, at 5:38 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello to all. >>>>> >>>>> Does anyoneknow how to have VLC read the playlist? all I see is image when I check the playlist box in the main window. This is getting frustrating and fast. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Sarah Alawami >>>>> >>>>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>>>> >>>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Mon May 2 21:07:45 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 21:07:45 +0100 Subject: New Member Welcome Message-ID: Hello everybody Please do not reply to this thread on list unless your reply has a direct relevance to their Mac use or interest. 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Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon May 2 21:17:01 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:17:01 -0700 Subject: vlc and playlists In-Reply-To: References: <7BAAA49D-7704-431C-8960-1DE7E33CEC07@gmail.com> <7016D163-6D92-4359-A7CB-FC50BC7E93FC@gmail.com> <9D9BCADB-9141-4F8E-B721-13F6B436B4C7@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <01DA57E3-263C-4AB6-8FAF-A8AD77FAC520@gmail.com> that and the path of the file as well which in my case if /volumes/music/4music lol! I'm gong to contact the devs about this as I should not need to use another program to read playlists lol! Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 2, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > well that's okay, just cursor up and down with Text Edit and you'll see it! . > > > On 03/05/2011, at 5:51 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Ah that sucks. I used to be able to see the playlists I believe in the older versions of vlc. I don't want to edit it I want to see it like in cog? lol! I can see a list of songs that are queued up. I'm surprised that the devs didn't think to make that usable for us, or anyone for that matter since all it shows is an image. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On May 2, 2011, at 12:46 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Okay, so you're talking about editing a Playlist then? I've never tried that, only way around that is to view the list in Text Edit whilst you have VLC open. >>> >>> >>> On 03/05/2011, at 5:45 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah I do that to, but I need to look at my playlist as I have to say what I'm playing for a broadcast and I cannot see the titles of the tracks I played before or the tracks I'm going to play. >>>> Sarah Alawami >>>> >>>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>>> >>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>>> >>>> On May 2, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>> >>>>> I just open the Playlist I need in VLC. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 03/05/2011, at 5:38 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello to all. >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyoneknow how to have VLC read the playlist? all I see is image when I check the playlist box in the main window. This is getting frustrating and fast. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sarah Alawami >>>>>> >>>>>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>>>>> >>>>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>>>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>>>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon May 2 21:35:29 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 06:35:29 +1000 Subject: Nisus Writer Pro And Table Of Contents Message-ID: <214DD20B-EA6E-49BB-85A2-D572E516F07E@internode.on.net> Hi everyone! Some people have written to me privately asking how you create a Table Of Contents with Nisus Writer Pro and perhaps I was a little abrupt in previous posts when I mentioned how easy creating a "table Of Contents" was but not giving any further explanation so here we go. Probably the best way to create a "Table Of Contents" is to create the table as you write, by that I mean as you write every new section in your document, make the header of that section part of the table. You can of course manually proof-read your document and create a table as you go that way. So to select a header to include in the table of contents, select the text as you normally would, go to the "insert" menu of Nisus Writer Pro and select The Table Of Contents menu, select "Include In Table Of Contents" and select the level for the table, by default this is level 1 which you'll use for a main table so select this option and the entry is saved. Once you've added all the entry's you need you'll want to generate the "Table Of Contents" somewhere in your document so let's say for example you want to put the table on its own page making that the second page of your document. Create a blank page just after the title page, select the Insert menu then select Table Of Contents and select "Insert TOC. The Table Of Contents will be inserted and - unless otherwise specified - you'll see 2 columns, section on the left and page number on the right. Hope this helps. From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon May 2 21:38:08 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:38:08 -0700 Subject: New Mac Trojan horse masquerades as virus scanner Message-ID: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> New Mac Trojan horse masquerades as virus scanner A new Trojan horse aimed at Macs purports to be virus-scanning software with aim of parting users from their credit card information. http://bit.ly/lsXWhE From kfjelsted at gmail.com Mon May 2 22:06:52 2011 From: kfjelsted at gmail.com (Kevin Fjelsted) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 16:06:52 -0500 Subject: Nisus Writer Pro In-Reply-To: References: <31629330-6676-4197-BE0A-885B92F75AFB@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <09519906-B1BC-499E-9425-BC35D57FEABC@gmail.com> Even if I go to the view menu in fact any menu as soon as I do VO-M and then begin trying to use the left and right arrow to navigate back and forth through the menu, things become very sluggish. Then if I pull down the format or view menu it takes maybe 30 seconds to select an item on that menu. -Kevin On May 2, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Okay, well suppose you select all your text, go to the view menu, change your view and then change it back to what it was originally, I know this is something you shouldn't have to do but that should solve the problem. > > > On 03/05/2011, at 3:11 AM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: > >> I have tried both draft and page view. If I do a CMD-A I.E., select all on a doc then the top menu goes to a crawl. >> -Kevin >> >> On May 1, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Interesting, I don't have this problem at all! what view style do you use? >>> >>> >>> On 02/05/2011, at 9:48 AM, Kevin R. Fjelsted wrote: >>> >>>> Nisus Writer Pro works well for me. There are a few areas that I have >>>> experienced the need to grow in patience. It seems that if I select >>>> all of a doc because I want to change a style or font that the menus >>>> become very very sluggish so getting to the formatting menu is then a >>>> tricky matter. Has anyone found a workaround for this issue? I sent a >>>> note to Nisus Writer Pro support explaining the issue as well as >>>> discussing some buttons that are not labeled. It is a great word >>>> processor because of how accessible it is. I would encourage that more >>>> of us write the company and explain in a very positive way how we are >>>> using the product with VoiceOver and asking if they will help fix the >>>> few remaining areas that are problematical for VO users. >>>> -Kevin >>>> >>>> >>>> On 5/1/11, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>> Been using it for the last 5 years I think, highly recommended. >>>>> >>>>> Most areas in the software are hugely accessible and the use of the software >>>>> is quite straight forward. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 02/05/2011, at 7:17 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, All! Does anyone have experience using Nisus Writer Pro? Am thinking >>>>>> of buying this package, as it seems pretty comprehensive. Thanks in >>>>>> advance. >>>>>> >>>>>> Matthew Chao >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>>>>> Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>>>> and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>>>> the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>>>> Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>>> and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>>> the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon May 2 22:26:19 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 07:26:19 +1000 Subject: Nisus Writer Pro In-Reply-To: <09519906-B1BC-499E-9425-BC35D57FEABC@gmail.com> References: <31629330-6676-4197-BE0A-885B92F75AFB@internode.on.net> <09519906-B1BC-499E-9425-BC35D57FEABC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5A701216-7F99-42C2-B311-24948E493121@internode.on.net> Okay, well I'm not having this problem at all here, are you running the latest update to the software? On 03/05/2011, at 7:06 AM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: > Even if I go to the view menu in fact any menu as soon as I do VO-M and then begin trying to use the left and right arrow to navigate back and forth through the menu, things become very sluggish. Then if I pull down the format or view menu it takes maybe 30 seconds to select an item on that menu. > > -Kevin > > On May 2, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Okay, well suppose you select all your text, go to the view menu, change your view and then change it back to what it was originally, I know this is something you shouldn't have to do but that should solve the problem. >> >> >> On 03/05/2011, at 3:11 AM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: >> >>> I have tried both draft and page view. If I do a CMD-A I.E., select all on a doc then the top menu goes to a crawl. >>> -Kevin >>> >>> On May 1, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> Interesting, I don't have this problem at all! what view style do you use? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 02/05/2011, at 9:48 AM, Kevin R. Fjelsted wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nisus Writer Pro works well for me. There are a few areas that I have >>>>> experienced the need to grow in patience. It seems that if I select >>>>> all of a doc because I want to change a style or font that the menus >>>>> become very very sluggish so getting to the formatting menu is then a >>>>> tricky matter. Has anyone found a workaround for this issue? I sent a >>>>> note to Nisus Writer Pro support explaining the issue as well as >>>>> discussing some buttons that are not labeled. It is a great word >>>>> processor because of how accessible it is. I would encourage that more >>>>> of us write the company and explain in a very positive way how we are >>>>> using the product with VoiceOver and asking if they will help fix the >>>>> few remaining areas that are problematical for VO users. >>>>> -Kevin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 5/1/11, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>> Been using it for the last 5 years I think, highly recommended. >>>>>> >>>>>> Most areas in the software are hugely accessible and the use of the software >>>>>> is quite straight forward. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 02/05/2011, at 7:17 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, All! Does anyone have experience using Nisus Writer Pro? Am thinking >>>>>>> of buying this package, as it seems pretty comprehensive. Thanks in >>>>>>> advance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Matthew Chao >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>>>>>> Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>>>>> and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>>>>> the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>>>>> Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>>>> and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>>>> the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From kfjelsted at gmail.com Mon May 2 22:44:04 2011 From: kfjelsted at gmail.com (Kevin Fjelsted) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 16:44:04 -0500 Subject: Nisus Writer Pro In-Reply-To: <5A701216-7F99-42C2-B311-24948E493121@internode.on.net> References: <31629330-6676-4197-BE0A-885B92F75AFB@internode.on.net> <09519906-B1BC-499E-9425-BC35D57FEABC@gmail.com> <5A701216-7F99-42C2-B311-24948E493121@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <55AAA588-952E-4951-A44B-F6DB7BEC34F5@gmail.com> I am running Nisus V1.4.1. I check for updates and get "I am update to date. I am running the latest updates for OS X I.E., 10.6.7 -Kevin On May 2, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Okay, well I'm not having this problem at all here, are you running the latest update to the software? > > > On 03/05/2011, at 7:06 AM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: > >> Even if I go to the view menu in fact any menu as soon as I do VO-M and then begin trying to use the left and right arrow to navigate back and forth through the menu, things become very sluggish. Then if I pull down the format or view menu it takes maybe 30 seconds to select an item on that menu. >> >> -Kevin >> >> On May 2, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Okay, well suppose you select all your text, go to the view menu, change your view and then change it back to what it was originally, I know this is something you shouldn't have to do but that should solve the problem. >>> >>> >>> On 03/05/2011, at 3:11 AM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: >>> >>>> I have tried both draft and page view. If I do a CMD-A I.E., select all on a doc then the top menu goes to a crawl. >>>> -Kevin >>>> >>>> On May 1, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Interesting, I don't have this problem at all! what view style do you use? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 02/05/2011, at 9:48 AM, Kevin R. Fjelsted wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Nisus Writer Pro works well for me. There are a few areas that I have >>>>>> experienced the need to grow in patience. It seems that if I select >>>>>> all of a doc because I want to change a style or font that the menus >>>>>> become very very sluggish so getting to the formatting menu is then a >>>>>> tricky matter. Has anyone found a workaround for this issue? I sent a >>>>>> note to Nisus Writer Pro support explaining the issue as well as >>>>>> discussing some buttons that are not labeled. It is a great word >>>>>> processor because of how accessible it is. I would encourage that more >>>>>> of us write the company and explain in a very positive way how we are >>>>>> using the product with VoiceOver and asking if they will help fix the >>>>>> few remaining areas that are problematical for VO users. >>>>>> -Kevin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 5/1/11, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>>> Been using it for the last 5 years I think, highly recommended. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Most areas in the software are hugely accessible and the use of the software >>>>>>> is quite straight forward. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 02/05/2011, at 7:17 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, All! Does anyone have experience using Nisus Writer Pro? Am thinking >>>>>>>> of buying this package, as it seems pretty comprehensive. Thanks in >>>>>>>> advance. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Matthew Chao >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>>>>>>> Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>>>>>> and worm-free! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>>>>>> the list website at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>>>>>> Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>>>>> and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>>>>> the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon May 2 22:50:40 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 07:50:40 +1000 Subject: Nisus Writer Pro In-Reply-To: <55AAA588-952E-4951-A44B-F6DB7BEC34F5@gmail.com> References: <31629330-6676-4197-BE0A-885B92F75AFB@internode.on.net> <09519906-B1BC-499E-9425-BC35D57FEABC@gmail.com> <5A701216-7F99-42C2-B311-24948E493121@internode.on.net> <55AAA588-952E-4951-A44B-F6DB7BEC34F5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DBF2730.6090505@internode.on.net> Just tried things again here, the only other thing I do which cures any slugish problem I may get is use command-up and command-down arrow - one after the other - to move the cursor, that seems to reset things sometimes. On 3/05/2011 7:44 AM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: > I am running Nisus V1.4.1. I check for updates and get "I am update to date. > I am running the latest updates for OS X I.E., 10.6.7 > -Kevin > > On May 2, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Okay, well I'm not having this problem at all here, are you running the latest update to the software? >> >> >> On 03/05/2011, at 7:06 AM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: >> >>> Even if I go to the view menu in fact any menu as soon as I do VO-M and then begin trying to use the left and right arrow to navigate back and forth through the menu, things become very sluggish. Then if I pull down the format or view menu it takes maybe 30 seconds to select an item on that menu. >>> >>> -Kevin >>> >>> On May 2, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> Okay, well suppose you select all your text, go to the view menu, change your view and then change it back to what it was originally, I know this is something you shouldn't have to do but that should solve the problem. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 03/05/2011, at 3:11 AM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have tried both draft and page view. If I do a CMD-A I.E., select all on a doc then the top menu goes to a crawl. >>>>> -Kevin >>>>> >>>>> On May 1, 2011, at 7:11 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Interesting, I don't have this problem at all! what view style do you use? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 02/05/2011, at 9:48 AM, Kevin R. Fjelsted wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Nisus Writer Pro works well for me. There are a few areas that I have >>>>>>> experienced the need to grow in patience. It seems that if I select >>>>>>> all of a doc because I want to change a style or font that the menus >>>>>>> become very very sluggish so getting to the formatting menu is then a >>>>>>> tricky matter. Has anyone found a workaround for this issue? I sent a >>>>>>> note to Nisus Writer Pro support explaining the issue as well as >>>>>>> discussing some buttons that are not labeled. It is a great word >>>>>>> processor because of how accessible it is. I would encourage that more >>>>>>> of us write the company and explain in a very positive way how we are >>>>>>> using the product with VoiceOver and asking if they will help fix the >>>>>>> few remaining areas that are problematical for VO users. >>>>>>> -Kevin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 5/1/11, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>>>> Been using it for the last 5 years I think, highly recommended. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most areas in the software are hugely accessible and the use of the software >>>>>>>> is quite straight forward. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 02/05/2011, at 7:17 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi, All! Does anyone have experience using Nisus Writer Pro? Am thinking >>>>>>>>> of buying this package, as it seems pretty comprehensive. Thanks in >>>>>>>>> advance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Matthew Chao >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>>>>>>>> Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>>>>>>> and worm-free! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>>>>>>> the list website at: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>>>>>>> Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>>>>>> and worm-free! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>>>>>> the list website at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Tue May 3 01:06:03 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 19:06:03 -0500 Subject: how to run windows on my macbook pro In-Reply-To: <2697E478-383E-4256-A5E7-1096EA0C69A3@mac-access.net> References: <449DC216-1CE7-4EA8-BD9C-5330EA20E1F6@gmail.com> <2697E478-383E-4256-A5E7-1096EA0C69A3@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I wonder if the install stops if you can press windows key then press u and then press n to start narrator. UAC is a thorn in the flesh to put it nicely, I know if I ever have to install windows 7, that's the first thing that will be disabled. On May 2, 2011, at 4:28 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Mike > > On 1 May 2011, at 22:56, Mike Arrigo wrote: > > Vmware fusion will allow you to do this. It will also allow you to install windows without sighted help. > > That is not always the case with Windows 7 because of the UAC interface. You need to verify the installation of the VMWAre tools which, since at that time you have no speech feedback, isn't possible. So this kind of advice is, whilst given in good faith, a little misleading. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Tue May 3 01:08:35 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 19:08:35 -0500 Subject: how to run windows on my macbook pro In-Reply-To: <4dbe84fa.0b5d340a.4b48.3261@mx.google.com> References: <449DC216-1CE7-4EA8-BD9C-5330EA20E1F6@gmail.com> <2697E478-383E-4256-A5E7-1096EA0C69A3@mac-access.net> <4dbe84fa.0b5d340a.4b48.3261@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0F7EE67E-FE0D-40F0-B87B-633E47AE98B5@charter.net> A possible work around for this might be to set fusion not to install the tools automatically, you could then install that manually once the install of windows is complete, of course, without the tools, I wonder if the sound would even work. On May 2, 2011, at 5:18 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: > Yes, indeed. > I needed to resort to sighted assistance to get VMWare tools installed. > > At 05:28 AM 5/2/2011, you wrote: >> Hello Mike >> >> On 1 May 2011, at 22:56, Mike Arrigo wrote: >> >> Vmware fusion will allow you to do this. It will also allow you to install windows without sighted help. >> >> That is not always the case with Windows 7 because of the UAC interface. You need to verify the installation of the VMWAre tools which, since at that time you have no speech feedback, isn't possible. So this kind of advice is, whilst given in good faith, a little misleading. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Tue May 3 01:41:25 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 20:41:25 -0400 Subject: how to run windows on my macbook pro In-Reply-To: References: <449DC216-1CE7-4EA8-BD9C-5330EA20E1F6@gmail.com> <2697E478-383E-4256-A5E7-1096EA0C69A3@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4dbf4f36.4969e50a.1034.ffffacc0@mx.google.com> It was. Narrator might have worked, it does on earlier installs of PCs. I didn't try it though. At 08:06 PM 5/2/2011, you wrote: >I wonder if the install stops if you can press windows key then >press u and then press n to start narrator. UAC is a thorn in the >flesh to put it nicely, I know if I ever have to install windows 7, >that's the first thing that will be disabled. >On May 2, 2011, at 4:28 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > > > Hello Mike > > > > On 1 May 2011, at 22:56, Mike Arrigo wrote: > > > > Vmware fusion will allow you to do this. It will also allow you > to install windows without sighted help. > > > > That is not always the case with Windows 7 because of the UAC > interface. You need to verify the installation of the VMWAre tools > which, since at that time you have no speech feedback, isn't > possible. So this kind of advice is, whilst given in good faith, a > little misleading. > > > > Lynne > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Tue May 3 01:42:37 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Mon, 02 May 2011 20:42:37 -0400 Subject: how to run windows on my macbook pro In-Reply-To: <0F7EE67E-FE0D-40F0-B87B-633E47AE98B5@charter.net> References: <449DC216-1CE7-4EA8-BD9C-5330EA20E1F6@gmail.com> <2697E478-383E-4256-A5E7-1096EA0C69A3@mac-access.net> <4dbe84fa.0b5d340a.4b48.3261@mx.google.com> <0F7EE67E-FE0D-40F0-B87B-633E47AE98B5@charter.net> Message-ID: <4dbf4f7e.8d8de50a.4a47.ffffaccd@mx.google.com> Well, it really didn't do it automatically, it just nagged me to do it. I don't know if speech might have worked, but the Windows sound startup sound did work. At 08:08 PM 5/2/2011, you wrote: >A possible work around for this might be to set fusion not to >install the tools automatically, you could then install that >manually once the install of windows is complete, of course, without >the tools, I wonder if the sound would even work. >On May 2, 2011, at 5:18 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: > > > Yes, indeed. > > I needed to resort to sighted assistance to get VMWare tools installed. > > > > At 05:28 AM 5/2/2011, you wrote: > >> Hello Mike > >> > >> On 1 May 2011, at 22:56, Mike Arrigo wrote: > >> > >> Vmware fusion will allow you to do this. It will also allow you > to install windows without sighted help. > >> > >> That is not always the case with Windows 7 because of the UAC > interface. You need to verify the installation of the VMWAre tools > which, since at that time you have no speech feedback, isn't > possible. So this kind of advice is, whilst given in good faith, a > little misleading. > >> > >> Lynne > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > >> > >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > >> > >> > >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >> > >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically > by visiting the list website at: > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From eka at ekanet.net Tue May 3 02:00:40 2011 From: eka at ekanet.net (Emrah) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 03:00:40 +0200 Subject: Remote control a Mac server In-Reply-To: <2188D051-6BE0-4132-8ADA-136117ED86C3@softcon.com> References: <20110424172549.GA9500@willow.kavun.ch> <180D972C-88D4-4FE9-87CD-B1E43AF1C53E@mac-access.net> <20110502161628.GA21172@willow.kavun.ch> <2188D051-6BE0-4132-8ADA-136117ED86C3@softcon.com> Message-ID: <20110503010040.GA25425@willow.kavun.ch> Thanks for this. My apologies if my questions are not clear enough. Is it possible to fully administer an OSX server remotely through either command line or some sort of accessible VNC? Do you have anything to share in terms of handbooks or quick start guides for built in command line commands specific to OSX? E.g.: how do you perform a software update and how do you install apps (pkgs)? Thanks in advance for all your support ----- Original Message ----- From: Travis Siegel Sent: Mon, May 02, 2011 at 11:30:27AM -0500 Subject: Re: Remote control a Mac server > osx is just like any other unix-based solution, it is perfectly > accessible via command-line, although the graphical tools are provided to > make configuring easier. Often times, if you know what you're doing, the > command-line is both faster, and more convinient, since there's sometimes > options that cannot be set in the gui clients. > > On the other hand, if the gui is all you can use, there's no reason not > to use them, as they will handle most of what needs done, and depending > on how complex your needs are, they may handle the entire configuration > and maintenance of your servers. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Emrah From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue May 3 03:06:50 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 21:06:50 -0500 Subject: Remote control a Mac server In-Reply-To: <20110503010040.GA25425@willow.kavun.ch> References: <20110424172549.GA9500@willow.kavun.ch> <180D972C-88D4-4FE9-87CD-B1E43AF1C53E@mac-access.net> <20110502161628.GA21172@willow.kavun.ch> <2188D051-6BE0-4132-8ADA-136117ED86C3@softcon.com> <20110503010040.GA25425@willow.kavun.ch> Message-ID: <4443E965-FB08-4840-9BEA-01D09F9EA606@softcon.com> If you're running a mac server, then installing gui apps shouldn't be your concern. If you are going to administer it from remote, installing gui apps on a server doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You could use some remote desktop package, x11, or something else, but to my knowledge, none of these options are accessible. Thus, since you'll be limited to command-line administration (as with most other unix boxes) knowing how to remote install gui packages isn't really a necessary skill, though it's just as simple as copying them into the applications folder, just as you would if you were at the remote machine's keyboard. On the other hand, there's really no need to feel bad about this, because almost everything can be done via the command-line, as evidenced by generations of unix admins. You'll need to become familiar with configuration files, unix commands, and particular commands to control the config files, but this is something you'd want to do anyway, if you were going to become a sysadmin. As for books, you can purchase the take control of terminal produced by tidbits, and which this list gets a significant discount if you'd like to purchase it. That won't help you with sysadmin unix-type things, (or at least not much) but it will help you get comfortable with using terminal and teach you how to navigate around and do minor introductory tasks. I'm not aware of any resource for learning osx terminal specifically, but there are litterally hundreds of good tutorials out there explaining general unix shell usage, and you'll want to familiarize yourself with some of those first. Performing sysadmin tasks from remote isn't hard, but it does take a great deal of specialized knowledge, especially, since if you truly hose the machine, and it requires a reboot to fix it, you won't be in a position to give it the reboot to set things right. That being said, I have successfully recompiled, installed, and rebooted new linux kernels into currently running servers from remote, and had it go off without a hitch. On the other hand, I've also had machines hang on me, and there wasn't a thing I could do for them other than call the host, and ask them to power-cycle the machine to get it unstuck. It's just the nature of the thing. hth. From chris at mysticplace.info Tue May 3 08:28:52 2011 From: chris at mysticplace.info (Chris G) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 03:28:52 -0400 Subject: New Mac Trojan horse masquerades as virus scanner In-Reply-To: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> References: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110503032852.77E6.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Hi, People might want to check out cyber security from eset, the makers of nod32 for windows. http://www.eset.com/mac On Mon, 2 May 2011 13:38:08 -0700 Sarah Alawami wrote: > New Mac Trojan horse masquerades as virus scanner > > A new Trojan horse aimed at Macs purports to be virus-scanning software with aim of parting users from their credit card information. > > > http://bit.ly/lsXWhE > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > - The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. http://www.mysticplace.info From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Tue May 3 08:34:05 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:34:05 +0200 Subject: New Mac Trojan horse masquerades as virus scanner In-Reply-To: <20110503032852.77E6.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> References: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> <20110503032852.77E6.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Message-ID: Hi! Actually, that link is broken, but you can find Cyber Security here: http://www.eset.com/home/products/cybersecurity/ Regards, Nic Den May 3, 2011 kl. 9:28 AM skrev Chris G: > Hi, > > People might want to check out cyber security from eset, the makers of > nod32 for windows. > > http://www.eset.com/mac > > > > On Mon, 2 May 2011 13:38:08 -0700 > Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> New Mac Trojan horse masquerades as virus scanner >> >> A new Trojan horse aimed at Macs purports to be virus-scanning software with aim of parting users from their credit card information. >> >> >> http://bit.ly/lsXWhE >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > > - > The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. > http://www.mysticplace.info > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 3 08:43:55 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 00:43:55 -0700 Subject: New Mac Trojan horse masquerades as virus scanner In-Reply-To: <20110503032852.77E6.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> References: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> <20110503032852.77E6.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Message-ID: <3DE8D55E-9EFF-4DF9-85CA-E9351622D2D4@gmail.com> OH yeah I hear that's a good one, but I think just using common sense here will be enough. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 3, 2011, at 12:28 AM, Chris G wrote: > Hi, > > People might want to check out cyber security from eset, the makers of > nod32 for windows. > > http://www.eset.com/mac > > > > On Mon, 2 May 2011 13:38:08 -0700 > Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> New Mac Trojan horse masquerades as virus scanner >> >> A new Trojan horse aimed at Macs purports to be virus-scanning software with aim of parting users from their credit card information. >> >> >> http://bit.ly/lsXWhE >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > > - > The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. > http://www.mysticplace.info > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Tue May 3 09:12:38 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 10:12:38 +0200 Subject: New Mac Trojan horse masquerades as virus scanner In-Reply-To: <3DE8D55E-9EFF-4DF9-85CA-E9351622D2D4@gmail.com> References: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> <20110503032852.77E6.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <3DE8D55E-9EFF-4DF9-85CA-E9351622D2D4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <07A7E0A6-3AD4-4CA7-ADE0-E941F486EE25@gmail.com> Hi Sarah, That's true, but as many times as you say that to people, the more people end up falling for it anyway. That's always the case. Also, thanks for the recommendation. I was using something from Intego which covers the whole spectrum whereas this only seems to be focussed on Antivirus/Malware, but never hurts to give this a shot. :) Regards, Nic Den May 3, 2011 kl. 9:43 AM skrev Sarah Alawami: > OH yeah I hear that's a good one, but I think just using common sense here will be enough. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 3, 2011, at 12:28 AM, Chris G wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> People might want to check out cyber security from eset, the makers of >> nod32 for windows. >> >> http://www.eset.com/mac >> >> >> >> On Mon, 2 May 2011 13:38:08 -0700 >> Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> New Mac Trojan horse masquerades as virus scanner >>> >>> A new Trojan horse aimed at Macs purports to be virus-scanning software with aim of parting users from their credit card information. >>> >>> >>> http://bit.ly/lsXWhE >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> >> - >> The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. >> http://www.mysticplace.info >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris at mysticplace.info Tue May 3 11:35:52 2011 From: chris at mysticplace.info (Chris G) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 06:35:52 -0400 Subject: New Mac Trojan horse masquerades as virus scanner In-Reply-To: References: <20110503032852.77E6.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Message-ID: <20110503063551.77EF.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> How weird, I just went to it and it worked. Got the link from the TWIT network. Glad you gave an alternative link though. I purchased a two year subscription. Chris On Tue, 3 May 2011 09:34:05 +0200 Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > Actually, that link is broken, but you can find Cyber Security here: > http://www.eset.com/home/products/cybersecurity/ > > Regards, > Nic > Den May 3, 2011 kl. 9:28 AM skrev Chris G: > > > Hi, > > > > People might want to check out cyber security from eset, the makers of > > nod32 for windows. > > > > http://www.eset.com/mac > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2 May 2011 13:38:08 -0700 > > Sarah Alawami wrote: > > > >> New Mac Trojan horse masquerades as virus scanner > >> > >> A new Trojan horse aimed at Macs purports to be virus-scanning software with aim of parting users from their credit card information. > >> > >> > >> http://bit.ly/lsXWhE > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > >> > >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > >> > >> > >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >> > >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > >> > > > > > > - > > The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. > > http://www.mysticplace.info > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > - The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. http://www.mysticplace.info From lynne at mac-access.net Tue May 3 11:41:12 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 11:41:12 +0100 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> <4DBAD952.4090308@internode.on.net> <81D2EE55-2CAD-40EF-AA55-4B4F66DA42BD@gmail.com> <33F260FC-6ED3-4D58-9651-220F60C87747@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <1D0DD274-0D9A-4DF8-A175-6CEAEE81209C@mac-access.net> Hi Chris How the heck did you manage to buy it? We keep getting the dame problem even after trying Gordon's work-around. Lynne On 2 May 2011, at 16:05, Chris Moore wrote: Ah thanks, but please ignore this comment as for some reason it appeared quite some time after posting it, I got it sorted not long after posting this at the time. Thank you anyway. I am now using the software with my Canon scanner and very impressed. On 1 May 2011, at 17:50, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Chris, > > I have the 7 day trial. Go to www.docuscanplus.com You can follow the link there to sign up, etc. Barring that, call up tech support and the nice folks can probably help. > > Cait > > On Apr 29, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Has anyone successfully got the 7 day trial for the Mac? Every time I try to log in I am asked to install System Access which is a tad tricky on the Mac. >> >> PS Nick, yo came across well on the Mobile Access podcast. >> >> >> On 29 Apr 2011, at 16:32, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi Dane, >>> >>> I'm glad for your response. :) >>> >>> I don't doubt the company, since I honestly think that it's fantastic that they're offering screen readers and a lot of other services at a very good price. The company even has a finance program, so you can pay on a monthly basis at a low price to eventually pay off the full price. I haven't seen a lot of companies do this, particularly those catering to the needs of visually impaired users. >>> >>> Again, I follow the concept that you worded differently than I did, but the exact same one. :) >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> >>> >>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> Well I can't comment as I don't use a Mac for scanning - well at least not at the moment and I don't see any point in changing what I do, "if it ain't broke then don't fix it" but what I do know is that the company who made this app are committed to accessibility and good tech support, I own one of their other products here and the support for that is excellent. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 30/04/2011 1:26 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>> Hi Dane, >>>>> >>>>> yeah, I will. Also, I just can't justify the $299 price tag. Sure, I can retrieve my information from the cloud, but at the same time, that's not really a feature I care about since I'm either collaborating with Dropbox, keeping my documents stored on an external drive or on the iPhone via a host of applications. I can use Mac OS X services to convert my file to an audio format, even though DocuScan+ probably can do it without having to convert to text prior to performing that task. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps I'm being too harsh on the developers of the product, since I honestly think it's nice that there are more solutions available, and obviously this is just my personal opinion. >>>>> >>>>> I'll stick with what I'm happy with until I'm unhappy with it. If I become unhappy, maybe I'll consider it, but until then I'm not counting on spending money on a program that might produce just as fantastic result as my current solution. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic >>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I can't answer those questions, I suggest you look at the URL and see if some of those questions are answered for you there. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30/04/2011 1:16 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As usual, I want to compare this product to other similar products+ that probably do as good as a job as this one. I just can't help myself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Of course, if this product has an OCR engine which renders a document with a 99.5% success rate, then I might swap it with the current one, but somehow I doubt that's the case. What I already use is perfectly accessible, and my PDFs, including scans have been without errors particularly recently. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also, does it support multiple languages? If not, that's already a personal dealbreaker for me, since I need to do OCR in Danish no matter how good the engine is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Okay, here's another fully accessible piece of software developed for the blind and visually impaired that won't set you back an arm and a leg. Its a piece of OCR software from a company that produces software you can invest in for the rest of your life, once you buy the software then that's it, a lifetime's worth of upgrades for nothing, continued tech support etc. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=432595763&mt=12 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Tue May 3 11:42:30 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 11:42:30 +0100 Subject: DocuScan Plus & Canon Scanners In-Reply-To: References: <2ABE7641-8BF6-43F1-9F0C-8BCF9DB3C26F@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <093539AC-BAF9-4B41-ADDC-5D0361BD209F@mac-access.net> Via the app? Where in the app? Lynne On 2 May 2011, at 16:23, Chris Moore wrote: Have you tried doing it via the app? From lynne at mac-access.net Tue May 3 11:45:55 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 11:45:55 +0100 Subject: Remote control a Mac server In-Reply-To: <20110502161628.GA21172@willow.kavun.ch> References: <20110424172549.GA9500@willow.kavun.ch> <180D972C-88D4-4FE9-87CD-B1E43AF1C53E@mac-access.net> <20110502161628.GA21172@willow.kavun.ch> Message-ID: <761E5006-6AD9-4380-B4DE-12F5167E39C6@mac-access.net> Hello Let me try to answer your questions for you. On 2 May 2011, at 17:16, Emrah wrote: ? Is it possible to fully administer a SnowLeopard server remotely? That depends upon what you want your server to do. ? Is it accessible? Partially. ? Can it be all achieved through command line and an SSH access, or do we need some sort of VNC? I believe you can do it via SSH although we have never tried that. There are GUI tools which work remotely. ? I would love to hear about your experience. Please write us off list if you want more info. Lynne From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Tue May 3 11:47:36 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 11:47:36 +0100 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: <1D0DD274-0D9A-4DF8-A175-6CEAEE81209C@mac-access.net> References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> <4DBAD952.4090308@internode.on.net> <81D2EE55-2CAD-40EF-AA55-4B4F66DA42BD@gmail.com> <33F260FC-6ED3-4D58-9651-220F60C87747@blueyonder.co.uk> <1D0DD274-0D9A-4DF8-A175-6CEAEE81209C@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0457993B-81DA-4A17-AD8F-0CCB580A006F@blueyonder.co.uk> For me, I experienced the same problem, but then I fired up the app and after entering my login details I was able to use the 7 day trial and was also given the option to purchase. Login here: https://secure.samobile.net/login.html?next_url=%2Fuser%2Faddon_order_start%3Fscanplus%3D1 On 3 May 2011, at 11:41, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hi Chris > > How the heck did you manage to buy it? We keep getting the dame problem even after trying Gordon's work-around. > > Lynne > > On 2 May 2011, at 16:05, Chris Moore wrote: > > Ah thanks, but please ignore this comment as for some reason it appeared quite some time after posting it, I got it sorted not long after posting this at the time. Thank you anyway. I am now using the software with my Canon scanner and very impressed. > On 1 May 2011, at 17:50, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> I have the 7 day trial. Go to www.docuscanplus.com You can follow the link there to sign up, etc. Barring that, call up tech support and the nice folks can probably help. >> >> Cait >> >> On Apr 29, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Has anyone successfully got the 7 day trial for the Mac? Every time I try to log in I am asked to install System Access which is a tad tricky on the Mac. >>> >>> PS Nick, yo came across well on the Mobile Access podcast. >>> >>> >>> On 29 Apr 2011, at 16:32, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Dane, >>>> >>>> I'm glad for your response. :) >>>> >>>> I don't doubt the company, since I honestly think that it's fantastic that they're offering screen readers and a lot of other services at a very good price. The company even has a finance program, so you can pay on a monthly basis at a low price to eventually pay off the full price. I haven't seen a lot of companies do this, particularly those catering to the needs of visually impaired users. >>>> >>>> Again, I follow the concept that you worded differently than I did, but the exact same one. :) >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well I can't comment as I don't use a Mac for scanning - well at least not at the moment and I don't see any point in changing what I do, "if it ain't broke then don't fix it" but what I do know is that the company who made this app are committed to accessibility and good tech support, I own one of their other products here and the support for that is excellent. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 30/04/2011 1:26 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>> Hi Dane, >>>>>> >>>>>> yeah, I will. Also, I just can't justify the $299 price tag. Sure, I can retrieve my information from the cloud, but at the same time, that's not really a feature I care about since I'm either collaborating with Dropbox, keeping my documents stored on an external drive or on the iPhone via a host of applications. I can use Mac OS X services to convert my file to an audio format, even though DocuScan+ probably can do it without having to convert to text prior to performing that task. >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps I'm being too harsh on the developers of the product, since I honestly think it's nice that there are more solutions available, and obviously this is just my personal opinion. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll stick with what I'm happy with until I'm unhappy with it. If I become unhappy, maybe I'll consider it, but until then I'm not counting on spending money on a program that might produce just as fantastic result as my current solution. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Nic >>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I can't answer those questions, I suggest you look at the URL and see if some of those questions are answered for you there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30/04/2011 1:16 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As usual, I want to compare this product to other similar products+ that probably do as good as a job as this one. I just can't help myself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of course, if this product has an OCR engine which renders a document with a 99.5% success rate, then I might swap it with the current one, but somehow I doubt that's the case. What I already use is perfectly accessible, and my PDFs, including scans have been without errors particularly recently. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also, does it support multiple languages? If not, that's already a personal dealbreaker for me, since I need to do OCR in Danish no matter how good the engine is. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Okay, here's another fully accessible piece of software developed for the blind and visually impaired that won't set you back an arm and a leg. Its a piece of OCR software from a company that produces software you can invest in for the rest of your life, once you buy the software then that's it, a lifetime's worth of upgrades for nothing, continued tech support etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=432595763&mt=12 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue May 3 11:48:03 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 11:48:03 +0100 Subject: Remote control a Mac server In-Reply-To: <2188D051-6BE0-4132-8ADA-136117ED86C3@softcon.com> References: <20110424172549.GA9500@willow.kavun.ch> <180D972C-88D4-4FE9-87CD-B1E43AF1C53E@mac-access.net> <20110502161628.GA21172@willow.kavun.ch> <2188D051-6BE0-4132-8ADA-136117ED86C3@softcon.com> Message-ID: <6B659E04-4AFF-42E4-926C-465C240C1DA0@mac-access.net> Travis Some of what you are saying isn't quite right in the current version. For instance, if you try to admin DNS server via CLI you run into horrendous problems. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Tue May 3 11:50:46 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 11:50:46 +0100 Subject: VM Ware fusion, installing VM tools, stuck, In-Reply-To: References: <4dbd8788.1463dc0a.603a.2dd4@mx.google.com> <7347CCEC-E5D7-4B3D-98A2-E7C4E4E2D6DD@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <8880EF83-E602-476E-8656-796DD098A66A@mac-access.net> Hello Cait On 2 May 2011, at 18:13, Caitlyn Furness wrote: ? Ok, so you have to do this with the fusion dvd in the slot, then? Will it let you know when the tools are installed? I noticed the other day that my virtual machine says "test machine" Maybe this is part of my problems getting this thing to run... Fusion DVD? I'm confused; what Fusion DVD? From lynne at mac-access.net Tue May 3 11:54:31 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 11:54:31 +0100 Subject: VM Ware fusion, installing VM tools, stuck, In-Reply-To: References: <4dbd8788.1463dc0a.603a.2dd4@mx.google.com> <7347CCEC-E5D7-4B3D-98A2-E7C4E4E2D6DD@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <7BBF4EA7-F8CA-4B04-808F-9F4CE1BFA9E1@mac-access.net> Sarah On 2 May 2011, at 19:55, Sarah Alawami wrote: Try hitting alt plus y when the dialogue comes up. I didn't try this but it might work. The point is how are you going to know when that dialogue box pops up? I have vision so it was relatively easy for me. But the UAC dialogue pops up more than once and you as blind people would never know it was there. Lynne From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Tue May 3 11:56:27 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 12:56:27 +0200 Subject: VM Ware fusion, installing VM tools, stuck, In-Reply-To: <7BBF4EA7-F8CA-4B04-808F-9F4CE1BFA9E1@mac-access.net> References: <4dbd8788.1463dc0a.603a.2dd4@mx.google.com> <7347CCEC-E5D7-4B3D-98A2-E7C4E4E2D6DD@mac-access.net> <7BBF4EA7-F8CA-4B04-808F-9F4CE1BFA9E1@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <88EC5B30-8833-4C85-9673-A32900F3FC42@gmail.com> Hi! Well, I have no idea how I managed to do it without help, but I can say that a sound is played when it's there. Actually, what I did was to click "Cancel VMWare Tools" in the Virtual Machine menu, then install NVDA and install the tools. Regards, Nic On May 3, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Sarah > > On 2 May 2011, at 19:55, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Try hitting alt plus y when the dialogue comes up. I didn't try this but it might work. > > The point is how are you going to know when that dialogue box pops up? I have vision so it was relatively easy for me. But the UAC dialogue pops up more than once and you as blind people would never know it was there. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue May 3 11:58:03 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 11:58:03 +0100 Subject: New Mac Trojan horse masquerades as virus scanner In-Reply-To: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> References: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> Message-ID: <94BF2A98-BBA0-4078-A530-1EF3F133F5A5@mac-access.net> Hello Sarah If this is the case, then all I can say is that it was only a matter of time before this happened and it might rob some Mac users of the delusion of total security. Lynne On 2 May 2011, at 21:38, Sarah Alawami wrote: http://bit.ly/lsXWhE From lynne at mac-access.net Tue May 3 12:02:29 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 12:02:29 +0100 Subject: how to run windows on my macbook pro In-Reply-To: References: <449DC216-1CE7-4EA8-BD9C-5330EA20E1F6@gmail.com> <2697E478-383E-4256-A5E7-1096EA0C69A3@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Mike On 3 May 2011, at 01:06, Mike Arrigo wrote: ? I wonder if the install stops if you can press windows key then press u and then press n to start narrator. UAC is a thorn in the flesh to put it nicely, I know if I ever have to install windows 7, that's the first thing that will be disabled. I don't want to go too far down this road; since Windows is off topic for this group. But I think you'll find 7 far more problematic than previous versions, including Vista. Lynne From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Tue May 3 12:05:50 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 08:05:50 -0300 Subject: WMV and Itunes question. Message-ID: <2C65F884889E4B6C8759C90499A6A03B@CNIBnotebook> Hi Folks: I have some high quality WMV files that I nead to play in Itunes. How can this be accomplished while maintaining the same video quality? Thanks all over the place gang. From lynne at mac-access.net Tue May 3 12:08:49 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 12:08:49 +0100 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: <0457993B-81DA-4A17-AD8F-0CCB580A006F@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> <4DBAD952.4090308@internode.on.net> <81D2EE55-2CAD-40EF-AA55-4B4F66DA42BD@gmail.com> <33F260FC-6ED3-4D58-9651-220F60C87747@blueyonder.co.uk> <1D0DD274-0D9A-4DF8-A175-6CEAEE81209C@mac-access.net> <0457993B-81DA-4A17-AD8F-0CCB580A006F@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: This gives us exactly the same results, Chris. Before you can log into your system access account you need to install and run System Access on at least 1 computer. Lynne On 3 May 2011, at 11:47, Chris Moore wrote: For me, I experienced the same problem, but then I fired up the app and after entering my login details I was able to use the 7 day trial and was also given the option to purchase. Login here: https://secure.samobile.net/login.html?next_url=%2Fuser%2Faddon_order_start%3Fscanplus%3D1 On 3 May 2011, at 11:41, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hi Chris > > How the heck did you manage to buy it? We keep getting the dame problem even after trying Gordon's work-around. > > Lynne > > On 2 May 2011, at 16:05, Chris Moore wrote: > > Ah thanks, but please ignore this comment as for some reason it appeared quite some time after posting it, I got it sorted not long after posting this at the time. Thank you anyway. I am now using the software with my Canon scanner and very impressed. > On 1 May 2011, at 17:50, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > >> Chris, >> >> I have the 7 day trial. Go to www.docuscanplus.com You can follow the link there to sign up, etc. Barring that, call up tech support and the nice folks can probably help. >> >> Cait >> >> On Apr 29, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Has anyone successfully got the 7 day trial for the Mac? Every time I try to log in I am asked to install System Access which is a tad tricky on the Mac. >>> >>> PS Nick, yo came across well on the Mobile Access podcast. >>> >>> >>> On 29 Apr 2011, at 16:32, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Dane, >>>> >>>> I'm glad for your response. :) >>>> >>>> I don't doubt the company, since I honestly think that it's fantastic that they're offering screen readers and a lot of other services at a very good price. The company even has a finance program, so you can pay on a monthly basis at a low price to eventually pay off the full price. I haven't seen a lot of companies do this, particularly those catering to the needs of visually impaired users. >>>> >>>> Again, I follow the concept that you worded differently than I did, but the exact same one. :) >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well I can't comment as I don't use a Mac for scanning - well at least not at the moment and I don't see any point in changing what I do, "if it ain't broke then don't fix it" but what I do know is that the company who made this app are committed to accessibility and good tech support, I own one of their other products here and the support for that is excellent. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 30/04/2011 1:26 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>> Hi Dane, >>>>>> >>>>>> yeah, I will. Also, I just can't justify the $299 price tag. Sure, I can retrieve my information from the cloud, but at the same time, that's not really a feature I care about since I'm either collaborating with Dropbox, keeping my documents stored on an external drive or on the iPhone via a host of applications. I can use Mac OS X services to convert my file to an audio format, even though DocuScan+ probably can do it without having to convert to text prior to performing that task. >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps I'm being too harsh on the developers of the product, since I honestly think it's nice that there are more solutions available, and obviously this is just my personal opinion. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'll stick with what I'm happy with until I'm unhappy with it. If I become unhappy, maybe I'll consider it, but until then I'm not counting on spending money on a program that might produce just as fantastic result as my current solution. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Nic >>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I can't answer those questions, I suggest you look at the URL and see if some of those questions are answered for you there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30/04/2011 1:16 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As usual, I want to compare this product to other similar products+ that probably do as good as a job as this one. I just can't help myself. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Of course, if this product has an OCR engine which renders a document with a 99.5% success rate, then I might swap it with the current one, but somehow I doubt that's the case. What I already use is perfectly accessible, and my PDFs, including scans have been without errors particularly recently. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Also, does it support multiple languages? If not, that's already a personal dealbreaker for me, since I need to do OCR in Danish no matter how good the engine is. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Okay, here's another fully accessible piece of software developed for the blind and visually impaired that won't set you back an arm and a leg. Its a piece of OCR software from a company that produces software you can invest in for the rest of your life, once you buy the software then that's it, a lifetime's worth of upgrades for nothing, continued tech support etc. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=432595763&mt=12 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Tue May 3 13:25:00 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 13:25:00 +0100 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> <4DBAD952.4090308@internode.on.net> <81D2EE55-2CAD-40EF-AA55-4B4F66DA42BD@gmail.com> <33F260FC-6ED3-4D58-9651-220F60C87747@blueyonder.co.uk> <1D0DD274-0D9A-4DF8-A175-6CEAEE81209C@mac-access.net> <0457993B-81DA-4A17-AD8F-0CCB580A006F@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <47F092A7-ABC9-4CDB-A8F7-BBEE16EF7580@blueyonder.co.uk> No, i do not have System Access, so that is not the case for me. Have you got an account? On 3 May 2011, at 12:08, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > This gives us exactly the same results, Chris. Before you can log into your system access account you need to install and run System Access on at least 1 computer. > > Lynne > > On 3 May 2011, at 11:47, Chris Moore wrote: > > For me, I experienced the same problem, but then I fired up the app and after entering my login details I was able to use the 7 day trial and was also given the option to purchase. Login here: > https://secure.samobile.net/login.html?next_url=%2Fuser%2Faddon_order_start%3Fscanplus%3D1 > > On 3 May 2011, at 11:41, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hi Chris >> >> How the heck did you manage to buy it? We keep getting the dame problem even after trying Gordon's work-around. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 2 May 2011, at 16:05, Chris Moore wrote: >> >> Ah thanks, but please ignore this comment as for some reason it appeared quite some time after posting it, I got it sorted not long after posting this at the time. Thank you anyway. I am now using the software with my Canon scanner and very impressed. >> On 1 May 2011, at 17:50, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> >>> Chris, >>> >>> I have the 7 day trial. Go to www.docuscanplus.com You can follow the link there to sign up, etc. Barring that, call up tech support and the nice folks can probably help. >>> >>> Cait >>> >>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>>> Has anyone successfully got the 7 day trial for the Mac? Every time I try to log in I am asked to install System Access which is a tad tricky on the Mac. >>>> >>>> PS Nick, yo came across well on the Mobile Access podcast. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 29 Apr 2011, at 16:32, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Dane, >>>>> >>>>> I'm glad for your response. :) >>>>> >>>>> I don't doubt the company, since I honestly think that it's fantastic that they're offering screen readers and a lot of other services at a very good price. The company even has a finance program, so you can pay on a monthly basis at a low price to eventually pay off the full price. I haven't seen a lot of companies do this, particularly those catering to the needs of visually impaired users. >>>>> >>>>> Again, I follow the concept that you worded differently than I did, but the exact same one. :) >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:29 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Well I can't comment as I don't use a Mac for scanning - well at least not at the moment and I don't see any point in changing what I do, "if it ain't broke then don't fix it" but what I do know is that the company who made this app are committed to accessibility and good tech support, I own one of their other products here and the support for that is excellent. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 30/04/2011 1:26 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Dane, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> yeah, I will. Also, I just can't justify the $299 price tag. Sure, I can retrieve my information from the cloud, but at the same time, that's not really a feature I care about since I'm either collaborating with Dropbox, keeping my documents stored on an external drive or on the iPhone via a host of applications. I can use Mac OS X services to convert my file to an audio format, even though DocuScan+ probably can do it without having to convert to text prior to performing that task. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Perhaps I'm being too harsh on the developers of the product, since I honestly think it's nice that there are more solutions available, and obviously this is just my personal opinion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'll stick with what I'm happy with until I'm unhappy with it. If I become unhappy, maybe I'll consider it, but until then I'm not counting on spending money on a program that might produce just as fantastic result as my current solution. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can't answer those questions, I suggest you look at the URL and see if some of those questions are answered for you there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 30/04/2011 1:16 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As usual, I want to compare this product to other similar products+ that probably do as good as a job as this one. I just can't help myself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Of course, if this product has an OCR engine which renders a document with a 99.5% success rate, then I might swap it with the current one, but somehow I doubt that's the case. What I already use is perfectly accessible, and my PDFs, including scans have been without errors particularly recently. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also, does it support multiple languages? If not, that's already a personal dealbreaker for me, since I need to do OCR in Danish no matter how good the engine is. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Nic >>>>>>>>> On Apr 29, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Okay, here's another fully accessible piece of software developed for the blind and visually impaired that won't set you back an arm and a leg. Its a piece of OCR software from a company that produces software you can invest in for the rest of your life, once you buy the software then that's it, a lifetime's worth of upgrades for nothing, continued tech support etc. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=432595763&mt=12 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue May 3 14:16:15 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 14:16:15 +0100 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: <47F092A7-ABC9-4CDB-A8F7-BBEE16EF7580@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> <4DBAD952.4090308@internode.on.net> <81D2EE55-2CAD-40EF-AA55-4B4F66DA42BD@gmail.com> <33F260FC-6ED3-4D58-9651-220F60C87747@blueyonder.co.uk> <1D0DD274-0D9A-4DF8-A175-6CEAEE81209C@mac-access.net> <0457993B-81DA-4A17-AD8F-0CCB580A006F@blueyonder.co.uk> <47F092A7-ABC9-4CDB-A8F7-BBEE16EF7580@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Hello Chris On 3 May 2011, at 13:25, Chris Moore wrote: No, i do not have System Access, so that is not the case for me. Have you got an account? If we had no account, we couldn't try the programme. :) So yes, we have one. As soon as I enter the log-in info, it just keeps coming up with that page. Lynne From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue May 3 14:36:35 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 14:36:35 +0100 Subject: possible bug in iTunes? Message-ID: Afternoon all, FOr the first time in Ages I have had to sync some new material with my iPhone. I did the following: 1. selected the apps radio button; 2. went into the apps table; 3. found the app I wanted to move from my mac to the iPhone and interacted with it. The checkbox was "dimmed" and "unchecked". However, one of my Ph.D. students could click the mouse and ad a tick to the box. Anyone else found this? D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue May 3 15:39:51 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:39:51 -0500 Subject: Remote control a Mac server In-Reply-To: <6B659E04-4AFF-42E4-926C-465C240C1DA0@mac-access.net> References: <20110424172549.GA9500@willow.kavun.ch> <180D972C-88D4-4FE9-87CD-B1E43AF1C53E@mac-access.net> <20110502161628.GA21172@willow.kavun.ch> <2188D051-6BE0-4132-8ADA-136117ED86C3@softcon.com> <6B659E04-4AFF-42E4-926C-465C240C1DA0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <29EB5E2D-0441-4F6C-A563-52CB76FFCBDC@softcon.com> Unless osx is using something other than bind for their dns, then it is most certainly possible to remote configure the dns client, I've done it several times on other unix variants (bsd, linux, solaris) osx isn't that much different, it's just a matter of knowing what files to edit, and what goes where, which admittedly, since osx uses plist files for a lot of it's stuff (which isn't exactly posix compliant though apple claims they are) does present some issues, but it's still doable, there's folks on the osx server list that do it all the time. On May 3, 2011, at 5:48 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Travis > > Some of what you are saying isn't quite right in the current > version. For instance, if you try to admin DNS server via CLI you > run into horrendous problems. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac- > access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted > to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue May 3 15:50:16 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:50:16 -0500 Subject: WMV and Itunes question. In-Reply-To: <2C65F884889E4B6C8759C90499A6A03B@CNIBnotebook> References: <2C65F884889E4B6C8759C90499A6A03B@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <23BAD6AF-2BA8-4EAF-A098-C3D952DB73D6@softcon.com> The only way to play (current) wmv files on osx is to use flip for mac. Even it won't handle the latest drm content in wmv files, but it will handle most things you can throw at it. Itunes doesn't handle wmv files directly (unless it's been added recently) Flip for mac can be downloaded at: http://www.macvideoconverter.org/resource/flip-for-mac-wmv.html I'm not sure if this is the latest version or not, but it should point you in the right direction. On May 3, 2011, at 6:05 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hi Folks: > > I have some high quality WMV files that I nead to play in Itunes. > > How can this be accomplished while maintaining the same video quality? > > Thanks all over the place gang. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac- > access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted > to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Tue May 3 16:58:22 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 16:58:22 +0100 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> <4DBAD952.4090308@internode.on.net> <81D2EE55-2CAD-40EF-AA55-4B4F66DA42BD@gmail.com> <33F260FC-6ED3-4D58-9651-220F60C87747@blueyonder.co.uk> <1D0DD274-0D9A-4DF8-A175-6CEAEE81209C@mac-access.net> <0457993B-81DA-4A17-AD8F-0CCB580A006F@blueyonder.co.uk> <47F092A7-ABC9-4CDB-A8F7-BBEE16EF7580@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <0CA29B50-AF96-4F33-91DA-D85E0895C776@blueyonder.co.uk> Hmmm that is very odd, and there is no link to bi pass system access request or anything? Have you emailed support? On 3 May 2011, at 14:16, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > On 3 May 2011, at 13:25, Chris Moore wrote: > > No, i do not have System Access, so that is not the case for me. Have you got an account? > > If we had no account, we couldn't try the programme. :) So yes, we have one. As soon as I enter the log-in info, it just keeps coming up with that page. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lavendar at bell.net Tue May 3 18:04:11 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 13:04:11 -0400 Subject: VM Ware fusion, installing VM tools, stuck, In-Reply-To: References: <4dbd8788.1463dc0a.603a.2dd4@mx.google.com> <7347CCEC-E5D7-4B3D-98A2-E7C4E4E2D6DD@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Um.. command y, option y??? I forget which this would be for alt... And, thanks if this works. Cait On May 2, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Try hitting alt plus y when the dialogue comes up. I didn't try this but it might work. > > Good luck. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 2, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > >> Ok, so you have to do this with the fusion dvd in the slot, then? Will it let you know when the tools are installed? I noticed the other day that my virtual machine says "test machine" Maybe this is part of my problems getting this thing to run... >> >> Caitlyn >> >> On May 1, 2011, at 1:16 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Kevin >>> >>> This takes some time but just let it run. >>> >>> On 1 May 2011, at 17:17, Kevin Barry wrote: >>> >>> I have installed VMWare Fusion on my Mac along with a copy of Win7 Home premium. >>> the OS seems to have installed just fine judging by the Windows startup sound I get however I am prompted to install VM Tools. >>> when I do this I am told to click on install which I do. >>> the VM Ware disk spins but then nothing appears to happen. >>> I looked on the disk itself and there are only three applications listed with no subfolders, but I was looking from finder on the Mac. >>> My speech program doesn't talk with windows, I expect, due to the lack of VM Tools. >>> any ideas, please help. >>> thanks. >>> kevin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Kevin Barry >>> If all appears to be going well; you've obviously overlooked something. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Tue May 3 18:06:09 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 18:06:09 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac Message-ID: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> Hi, Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. Money always gets their attention. Chris From kfjelsted at gmail.com Tue May 3 18:13:56 2011 From: kfjelsted at gmail.com (Kevin Fjelsted) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 12:13:56 -0500 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as accessible as possible. What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from Microsoft that we don't have already? -Kevin Kevin Fjelsted 651-270-2678 On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > Hi, > > Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback > > Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. > > Money always gets their attention. > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > l From lavendar at bell.net Tue May 3 18:13:58 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 13:13:58 -0400 Subject: antivirus for the mac, link Nick provided.. In-Reply-To: References: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> <20110503032852.77E6.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Message-ID: Thanks! I don't mind paying for something if it works, and is accessable. Caitlyn What do people think of this product and is it easy to use? On May 3, 2011, at 3:34 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > Actually, that link is broken, but you can find Cyber Security here: > http://www.eset.com/home/products/cybersecurity/ > > Regards, > Nic > Den May 3, 2011 kl. 9:28 AM skrev Chris G: > >> Hi, >> >> People might want to check out cyber security from eset, the makers of >> nod32 for windows. >> >> http://www.eset.com/mac >> >> >> >> On Mon, 2 May 2011 13:38:08 -0700 >> Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> New Mac Trojan horse masquerades as virus scanner >>> >>> A new Trojan horse aimed at Macs purports to be virus-scanning software with aim of parting users from their credit card information. >>> >>> >>> http://bit.ly/lsXWhE >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> >> - >> The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. >> http://www.mysticplace.info >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue May 3 18:16:58 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 03:16:58 +1000 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <4DC0388A.8060508@internode.on.net> Hmm, I was thinking along the same lines myself, the other thing I wondered about was the way that Microsoft charge, meaning that there are plenty of alternatives out where which are not only far more accessible than Microsoft Office but are worth less to buy but then again I suppose it could be argued that if we don't all "Stand up and be counted" and write to Microsoft then we may as well call it qwits altogether and forget a future for accessible software. On 4/05/2011 3:13 AM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: > I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft > Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that > making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would > be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software > is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages > and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as > accessible as possible. > What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from > Microsoft that we don't have already? > -Kevin > > > > Kevin Fjelsted > 651-270-2678 > > > On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >> >> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >> >> Money always gets their attention. >> >> Chris >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> l > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lavendar at bell.net Tue May 3 18:17:04 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 13:17:04 -0400 Subject: VM Ware fusion, installing VM tools, stuck, In-Reply-To: <8880EF83-E602-476E-8656-796DD098A66A@mac-access.net> References: <4dbd8788.1463dc0a.603a.2dd4@mx.google.com> <7347CCEC-E5D7-4B3D-98A2-E7C4E4E2D6DD@mac-access.net> <8880EF83-E602-476E-8656-796DD098A66A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Oh, sorry, the install disk for vm fusion. Caitlyn On May 3, 2011, at 6:50 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Cait > > On 2 May 2011, at 18:13, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > > ? Ok, so you have to do this with the fusion dvd in the slot, then? Will it let you know when the tools are installed? I noticed the other day that my virtual machine says "test machine" Maybe this is part of my problems getting this thing to run... > > Fusion DVD? I'm confused; what Fusion DVD? > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From chris at mysticplace.info Tue May 3 18:17:47 2011 From: chris at mysticplace.info (Chris G) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 13:17:47 -0400 Subject: antivirus for the mac, link Nick provided.. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110503131747.2D3D.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Hi, You pretty much set it and forget it. It does work. Another product that is accessible is protectmac from www.protectmac.com On Tue, 3 May 2011 13:13:58 -0400 Caitlyn Furness wrote: > > > Thanks! I don't mind paying for something if it works, and is accessable. > > Caitlyn > What do people think of this product and is it easy to use? > On May 3, 2011, at 3:34 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > Actually, that link is broken, but you can find Cyber Security here: > > http://www.eset.com/home/products/cybersecurity/ > > > > Regards, > > Nic > > Den May 3, 2011 kl. 9:28 AM skrev Chris G: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> People might want to check out cyber security from eset, the makers of > >> nod32 for windows. > >> > >> http://www.eset.com/mac > >> > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 2 May 2011 13:38:08 -0700 > >> Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> > >>> New Mac Trojan horse masquerades as virus scanner > >>> > >>> A new Trojan horse aimed at Macs purports to be virus-scanning software with aim of parting users from their credit card information. > >>> > >>> > >>> http://bit.ly/lsXWhE > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> > >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > >>> > >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > >>> > >>> > >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >>> > >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > >>> > >> > >> > >> - > >> The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. > >> http://www.mysticplace.info > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > >> > >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > >> > >> > >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >> > >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > - The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. http://www.mysticplace.info From lavendar at bell.net Tue May 3 18:19:34 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 13:19:34 -0400 Subject: VM Ware fusion, installing VM tools, stuck, In-Reply-To: <88EC5B30-8833-4C85-9673-A32900F3FC42@gmail.com> References: <4dbd8788.1463dc0a.603a.2dd4@mx.google.com> <7347CCEC-E5D7-4B3D-98A2-E7C4E4E2D6DD@mac-access.net> <7BBF4EA7-F8CA-4B04-808F-9F4CE1BFA9E1@mac-access.net> <88EC5B30-8833-4C85-9673-A32900F3FC42@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hmmm.. I wonder if that's when I hear that popping type sound. I'm using windows xp home. Nick, did you install nvda off a usb drive? Cait On May 3, 2011, at 6:56 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > Well, I have no idea how I managed to do it without help, but I can say that a sound is played when it's there. > > Actually, what I did was to click "Cancel VMWare Tools" in the Virtual Machine menu, then install NVDA and install the tools. > > Regards, > Nic > On May 3, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Sarah >> >> On 2 May 2011, at 19:55, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >> Try hitting alt plus y when the dialogue comes up. I didn't try this but it might work. >> >> The point is how are you going to know when that dialogue box pops up? I have vision so it was relatively easy for me. But the UAC dialogue pops up more than once and you as blind people would never know it was there. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lavendar at bell.net Tue May 3 18:24:24 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 13:24:24 -0400 Subject: antivirus for the mac, link Nick provided.. In-Reply-To: <20110503131747.2D3D.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> References: <20110503131747.2D3D.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Message-ID: thanks a bunch! Cait On May 3, 2011, at 1:17 PM, Chris G wrote: > Hi, > You pretty much set it and forget it. > > It does work. > > Another product that is accessible is protectmac from www.protectmac.com > > > > On Tue, 3 May 2011 13:13:58 -0400 > Caitlyn Furness wrote: > >> >> >> Thanks! I don't mind paying for something if it works, and is accessable. >> >> Caitlyn >> What do people think of this product and is it easy to use? >> On May 3, 2011, at 3:34 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> Actually, that link is broken, but you can find Cyber Security here: >>> http://www.eset.com/home/products/cybersecurity/ >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Den May 3, 2011 kl. 9:28 AM skrev Chris G: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> People might want to check out cyber security from eset, the makers of >>>> nod32 for windows. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com/mac >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 2 May 2011 13:38:08 -0700 >>>> Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>> >>>>> New Mac Trojan horse masquerades as virus scanner >>>>> >>>>> A new Trojan horse aimed at Macs purports to be virus-scanning software with aim of parting users from their credit card information. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://bit.ly/lsXWhE >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. >>>> http://www.mysticplace.info >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > > - > The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. > http://www.mysticplace.info > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Tue May 3 18:26:32 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 18:26:32 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: We would gain access to the world's standard OfficE Suite. Like it or not probably 80% of businesses more than likely use Office for Windows or Mac. I used to use Office for Mac prior to going blind and thought it was a fantastic product and yes like it or not its currently superior to OpenOffice and iWork. Sighted users have the choice to use Office for Mac or Office for Windows. If you are a screen reader user and need to use Office you have only one platform to choose from and that is Windows. Apple's iTunes is fairly accessible on Windows, so why can't Microsoft repay the favour? I mean all we are asking is for them to follow Apple guidelines. Don't get me wrong Nisus Writer, iWork etc are all good products, but they are not the default standard when it comes to business. In the same way Final Cut pro is the standard for Video, Logic is the standard for MIDI sequencing, Pro Tools is the standard for audio recording and editing in recording studios, Adobe Dreamweaver is the standard for web design and Photoshop is the standard for pixel popping etc Office for Mac is a fantastic product, so why not have access to it? Chris On 3 May 2011, at 18:13, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: > I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft > Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that > making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would > be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software > is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages > and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as > accessible as possible. > What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from > Microsoft that we don't have already? > -Kevin > > > > Kevin Fjelsted > 651-270-2678 > > > On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >> >> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >> >> Money always gets their attention. >> >> Chris >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> l > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue May 3 18:44:23 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 03:44:23 +1000 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Quite true and accessibility of Microsoft Office for the Mac may help the employment prospects of those who are visually impaired and if anything can do that? Well its worth standing up for. On 04/05/2011, at 3:26 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > We would gain access to the world's standard OfficE Suite. Like it or not probably 80% of businesses more than likely use Office for Windows or Mac. I used to use Office for Mac prior to going blind and thought it was a fantastic product and yes like it or not its currently superior to OpenOffice and iWork. > > Sighted users have the choice to use Office for Mac or Office for Windows. If you are a screen reader user and need to use Office you have only one platform to choose from and that is Windows. Apple's iTunes is fairly accessible on Windows, so why can't Microsoft repay the favour? I mean all we are asking is for them to follow Apple guidelines. Don't get me wrong Nisus Writer, iWork etc are all good products, but they are not the default standard when it comes to business. In the same way Final Cut pro is the standard for Video, Logic is the standard for MIDI sequencing, Pro Tools is the standard for audio recording and editing in recording studios, Adobe Dreamweaver is the standard for web design and Photoshop is the standard for pixel popping etc > > Office for Mac is a fantastic product, so why not have access to it? > > Chris > On 3 May 2011, at 18:13, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: > >> I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft >> Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that >> making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would >> be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software >> is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages >> and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as >> accessible as possible. >> What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from >> Microsoft that we don't have already? >> -Kevin >> >> >> >> Kevin Fjelsted >> 651-270-2678 >> >> >> On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>> >>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>> >>> Money always gets their attention. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> l >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 3 18:47:03 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 10:47:03 -0700 Subject: antivirus for the mac, link Nick provided.. In-Reply-To: References: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> <20110503032852.77E6.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Message-ID: lol. I'm not putting an anti virus thing on my mac. I have my time machine back ups and I use common sense so so far I'm fine, but I might eat my words years down the road. I'm glad there are options for those of us who are worried. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 3, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > > > Thanks! I don't mind paying for something if it works, and is accessible. > > Caitlyn > What do people think of this product and is it easy to use? > On May 3, 2011, at 3:34 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> Actually, that link is broken, but you can find Cyber Security here: >> http://www.eset.com/home/products/cybersecurity/ >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> Den May 3, 2011 kl. 9:28 AM skrev Chris G: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> People might want to check out cyber security from eset, the makers of >>> nod32 for windows. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com/mac >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, 2 May 2011 13:38:08 -0700 >>> Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> >>>> New Mac Trojan horse masquerades as virus scanner >>>> >>>> A new Trojan horse aimed at Macs purports to be virus-scanning software with aim of parting users from their credit card information. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://bit.ly/lsXWhE >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. >>> http://www.mysticplace.info >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 3 18:48:32 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 10:48:32 -0700 Subject: possible bug in iTunes? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <896BCBAD-44BA-42E7-AA5D-150BDB6F3674@gmail.com> Yeah just hit space on the app when it is not interacted with. it is a bug which has not been fixed but trust me it will be checked. take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 3, 2011, at 6:36 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Afternoon all, > > FOr the first time in Ages I have had to sync some new material with my iPhone. I did the following: > > 1. selected the apps radio button; > 2. went into the apps table; > 3. found the app I wanted to move from my mac to the iPhone and interacted with it. The checkbox was "dimmed" and "unchecked". > > However, one of my Ph.D. students could click the mouse and ad a tick to the box. Anyone else found this? > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 3 19:16:24 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 11:16:24 -0700 Subject: Exchange Text Between an iPhone and a Mac Without Internet Access Message-ID: <2CE32657-6F8D-43CD-9E6D-C03DB80C958F@gmail.com> Exchange Text Between an iPhone and a Mac Without Internet Access I was on a ferry this morning with no WiFi access to the Internet, an iPhone from which I could e-mail via 3G and an e-mail on my Mac I needed to send. With no wireless modem, no tethering plan and no Internet, I didn't think there was anyway I could get the text of the e-mail onto my iPhone without retyping it. After a little thinking, I came up with the following solution that makes use of iPhone apps with WiFi syncing and the Airport menu's create network command. First I tried setting up a network with the Mac, but an iPhone won't stay on a WiFi network unless it has an internet connection. So while I could initially find the network from my iPhone, it wouldn't stay connected. It turns out you can defeat this by turning off 3G and Cellular Data in the Network section of General Settings. With 3G and Cellular Data switched off, you can open up WiFi settings on your iPhone and select the network you've created with your Mac. http://bit.ly/lHN0Im From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 3 19:24:19 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 11:24:19 -0700 Subject: Apple No Longer Accepting App Store Reviews for Redeemed Promo Codes Message-ID: <78FF3F08-2493-486D-853D-FAF3CBB65357@gmail.com> I think apple is crazy here. I'm not going to buy every app I want to review. I'm always looking for those promo codes, and if I'm given a promo code I should still be able to review it. Apple No Longer Accepting App Store Reviews for Redeemed Promo Codes As noted in the forums at our sister site Touch Arcade, Apple has apparently made a change to its App Store app review policies, no longer permitting users who have obtained applications via promo code to leave reviews for them. ...http://bit.ly/kAn0ct From gordon at mac-access.net Tue May 3 20:17:06 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 20:17:06 +0100 Subject: Remote control a Mac server In-Reply-To: <29EB5E2D-0441-4F6C-A563-52CB76FFCBDC@softcon.com> References: <20110424172549.GA9500@willow.kavun.ch> <180D972C-88D4-4FE9-87CD-B1E43AF1C53E@mac-access.net> <20110502161628.GA21172@willow.kavun.ch> <2188D051-6BE0-4132-8ADA-136117ED86C3@softcon.com> <6B659E04-4AFF-42E4-926C-465C240C1DA0@mac-access.net> <29EB5E2D-0441-4F6C-A563-52CB76FFCBDC@softcon.com> Message-ID: <57CFE2EF-FDCC-41D4-8F1A-CD61DA3B6A83@mac-access.net> Travis Yes they are using Bind. But the point is that the Server Admin tools get very very upset if you start tinkering with the zone files manually. Gordon On 3 May 2011, at 15:39, Travis Siegel wrote: Unless osx is using something other than bind for their dns, then it is most certainly possible to remote configure the dns client, I've done it several times on other unix variants (bsd, linux, solaris) osx isn't that much different, it's just a matter of knowing what files to edit, and what goes where, which admittedly, since osx uses plist files for a lot of it's stuff (which isn't exactly posix compliant though apple claims they are) does present some issues, but it's still doable, there's folks on the osx server list that do it all the time. On May 3, 2011, at 5:48 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Travis > > Some of what you are saying isn't quite right in the current version. For instance, if you try to admin DNS server via CLI you run into horrendous problems. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Tue May 3 20:19:29 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 20:19:29 +0100 Subject: DocuScan Plus on the Mac App Store In-Reply-To: <0CA29B50-AF96-4F33-91DA-D85E0895C776@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <328CC328-9718-4C95-8EA4-99CDB51E4A7C@gmail.com> <4DBAD6B7.1000105@internode.on.net> <5DB222A4-82E3-433E-BFBB-84E16CC7E090@gmail.com> <4DBAD952.4090308@internode.on.net> <81D2EE55-2CAD-40EF-AA55-4B4F66DA42BD@gmail.com> <33F260FC-6ED3-4D58-9651-220F60C87747@blueyonder.co.uk> <1D0DD274-0D9A-4DF8-A175-6CEAEE81209C@mac-access.net> <0457993B-81DA-4A17-AD8F-0CCB580A006F@blueyonder.co.uk> <47F092A7-ABC9-4CDB-A8F7-BBEE16EF7580@blueyonder.co.uk> <0CA29B50-AF96-4F33-91DA-D85E0895C776@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <86A4ADB8-0863-49A7-B616-510BEB039C85@mac-access.net> Hello Chris On 3 May 2011, at 16:58, Chris Moore wrote: ? Hmmm that is very odd, and there is no link to bi pass system access request or anything? Have you emailed support? Yes, we have. They want to call us to have us buy the thing on the phone but I refused for a couple of reasons. Firstly I don't give out phone numbers to these companies. Second I refuse to give them my credit card information. That is the whole point of using PayPal. So put simply they either fix their problems or we don't buy. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Tue May 3 20:22:51 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 20:22:51 +0100 Subject: antivirus for the mac, link Nick provided.. In-Reply-To: References: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> <20110503032852.77E6.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Message-ID: <007B8692-D196-4E28-B57D-C3C88F6A70F2@mac-access.net> Hello Cait On 3 May 2011, at 18:13, Caitlyn Furness wrote: Thanks! I don't mind paying for something if it works, and is accessable. Eset is a bit of a joke for the Mac. They miss most of the security threats anyway. We are trying to figure out how to uninstall the dar n thing as it is a system resource hogger. Lynne From gunn at tznet.com Tue May 3 21:00:21 2011 From: gunn at tznet.com (gunn at tznet.com) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 16:00:21 -0400 Subject: Deleting unwanted Apps Message-ID: <380-2201152320021881@M2W126.mail2web.com> Lynn: I changed the subject to reflect my comments. smile Google appcleaner, then all you have to do is drop the undesired app on AppCleaner and follow the yellow brick road. John Original Message: ----------------- From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith lynne at mac-access.net Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 20:22:51 +0100 To: mac-access at mac-access.net Subject: Re: antivirus for the mac, link Nick provided.. Hello Cait On 3 May 2011, at 18:13, Caitlyn Furness wrote: Thanks! I don't mind paying for something if it works, and is accessable. Eset is a bit of a joke for the Mac. They miss most of the security threats anyway. We are trying to figure out how to uninstall the dar n thing as it is a system resource hogger. Lynne _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From david.mclean at cox.net Tue May 3 21:02:06 2011 From: david.mclean at cox.net (David McLean) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 16:02:06 -0400 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: I am up for it and just sent a message similar to the one you suggested. Hopefully many others will as well. On May 3, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > Hi, > > Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback > > Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. > > Money always gets their attention. > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 3 21:19:49 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 13:19:49 -0700 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <20A05062-5D11-4927-9F81-36FDEC7E16D3@gmail.com> I agree. we've tried this already and it has not worked. since around 2007 or so. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 3, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: > I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft > Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that > making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would > be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software > is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages > and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as > accessible as possible. > What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from > Microsoft that we don't have already? > -Kevin > > > > Kevin Fjelsted > 651-270-2678 > > > On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >> >> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >> >> Money always gets their attention. >> >> Chris >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> l > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 3 21:21:13 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 13:21:13 -0700 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <46E81C8C-3C7F-43A6-AA8A-571A0D3D25C5@gmail.com> but we've been sending them letter and contacting them via the website and it seems like they just shrug us of. why shoulc they care about a few thousand blind customers anyway? I don't like it but there ya go. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 3, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > We would gain access to the world's standard OfficE Suite. Like it or not probably 80% of businesses more than likely use Office for Windows or Mac. I used to use Office for Mac prior to going blind and thought it was a fantastic product and yes like it or not its currently superior to OpenOffice and iWork. > > Sighted users have the choice to use Office for Mac or Office for Windows. If you are a screen reader user and need to use Office you have only one platform to choose from and that is Windows. Apple's iTunes is fairly accessible on Windows, so why can't Microsoft repay the favour? I mean all we are asking is for them to follow Apple guidelines. Don't get me wrong Nisus Writer, iWork etc are all good products, but they are not the default standard when it comes to business. In the same way Final Cut pro is the standard for Video, Logic is the standard for MIDI sequencing, Pro Tools is the standard for audio recording and editing in recording studios, Adobe Dreamweaver is the standard for web design and Photoshop is the standard for pixel popping etc > > Office for Mac is a fantastic product, so why not have access to it? > > Chris > On 3 May 2011, at 18:13, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: > >> I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft >> Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that >> making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would >> be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software >> is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages >> and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as >> accessible as possible. >> What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from >> Microsoft that we don't have already? >> -Kevin >> >> >> >> Kevin Fjelsted >> 651-270-2678 >> >> >> On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>> >>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>> >>> Money always gets their attention. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> l >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 3 21:22:30 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 13:22:30 -0700 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <3FCDDDDB-B6DE-400E-88C4-929846BF9C8A@gmail.com> I wish you all luck. I personally don't think it will work. if it does I might consider it but I don't want to pay 300 for something I can get for $15 at the MAS . Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 3, 2011, at 1:02 PM, David McLean wrote: > I am up for it and just sent a message similar to the one you suggested. > Hopefully many others will as well. > On May 3, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >> >> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >> >> Money always gets their attention. >> >> Chris >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 3 21:23:19 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 13:23:19 -0700 Subject: Deleting unwanted Apps In-Reply-To: <380-2201152320021881@M2W126.mail2web.com> References: <380-2201152320021881@M2W126.mail2web.com> Message-ID: Also try trashme. that is a good good program. I use it every time and it clean up the what the apps leave behind. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 3, 2011, at 1:00 PM, gunn at tznet.com wrote: > Lynn: > > I changed the subject to reflect my comments. smile > > Google appcleaner, then all you have to do is drop the undesired app on > AppCleaner and follow the yellow brick road. > > John > > > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith lynne at mac-access.net > Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 20:22:51 +0100 > To: mac-access at mac-access.net > Subject: Re: antivirus for the mac, link Nick provided.. > > > Hello Cait > > On 3 May 2011, at 18:13, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > > Thanks! I don't mind paying for something if it works, and is accessable. > > Eset is a bit of a joke for the Mac. They miss most of the security threats > anyway. > > We are trying to figure out how to uninstall the dar n thing as it is a > system resource hogger. > > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Tue May 3 21:24:27 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 21:24:27 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <20A05062-5D11-4927-9F81-36FDEC7E16D3@gmail.com> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> <20A05062-5D11-4927-9F81-36FDEC7E16D3@gmail.com> Message-ID: So we should just give up then? Great attitude. But some people require MS Office to compete in the world of employment. Wouldn't it be nice for blind users to have access to the business standard Office suite on an alternative platform to Windows? Wouldn't it be nice to no longer need VM Fusion? After all the Mac is the superior OS in my opinion and visually Office for the Mac is a joy to use, if you were able to use Office with VO, I am sure you would all agree. Nothing else comes close. On 3 May 2011, at 21:19, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I agree. we've tried this already and it has not worked. since around 2007 or so. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 3, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: > >> I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft >> Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that >> making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would >> be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software >> is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages >> and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as >> accessible as possible. >> What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from >> Microsoft that we don't have already? >> -Kevin >> >> >> >> Kevin Fjelsted >> 651-270-2678 >> >> >> On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>> >>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>> >>> Money always gets their attention. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> l >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Tue May 3 21:29:04 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 21:29:04 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <46E81C8C-3C7F-43A6-AA8A-571A0D3D25C5@gmail.com> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> <46E81C8C-3C7F-43A6-AA8A-571A0D3D25C5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0F13ABDE-3F33-4E32-92D1-FB69D83868DA@blueyonder.co.uk> Probably for the same reason why Adobe have started to listen, and maybe one day some new hot executive on the Mac business group might think hmm how can we increase market share on the Mac platform? Interest in the Mac platform from the blind community is on the increase, so their could be potentially more than just a 1000 users across the globe who would buy it. Or do blind Mac users just surf the net and read emails? What about students who may require access to Office like their sighted counterparts? On 3 May 2011, at 21:21, Sarah Alawami wrote: > but we've been sending them letter and contacting them via the website and it seems like they just shrug us of. why shoulc they care about a few thousand blind customers anyway? I don't like it but there ya go. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 3, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> We would gain access to the world's standard OfficE Suite. Like it or not probably 80% of businesses more than likely use Office for Windows or Mac. I used to use Office for Mac prior to going blind and thought it was a fantastic product and yes like it or not its currently superior to OpenOffice and iWork. >> >> Sighted users have the choice to use Office for Mac or Office for Windows. If you are a screen reader user and need to use Office you have only one platform to choose from and that is Windows. Apple's iTunes is fairly accessible on Windows, so why can't Microsoft repay the favour? I mean all we are asking is for them to follow Apple guidelines. Don't get me wrong Nisus Writer, iWork etc are all good products, but they are not the default standard when it comes to business. In the same way Final Cut pro is the standard for Video, Logic is the standard for MIDI sequencing, Pro Tools is the standard for audio recording and editing in recording studios, Adobe Dreamweaver is the standard for web design and Photoshop is the standard for pixel popping etc >> >> Office for Mac is a fantastic product, so why not have access to it? >> >> Chris >> On 3 May 2011, at 18:13, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: >> >>> I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft >>> Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that >>> making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would >>> be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software >>> is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages >>> and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as >>> accessible as possible. >>> What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from >>> Microsoft that we don't have already? >>> -Kevin >>> >>> >>> >>> Kevin Fjelsted >>> 651-270-2678 >>> >>> >>> On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>>> >>>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>>> >>>> Money always gets their attention. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> l >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Tue May 3 21:29:42 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 21:29:42 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <46E81C8C-3C7F-43A6-AA8A-571A0D3D25C5@gmail.com> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> <46E81C8C-3C7F-43A6-AA8A-571A0D3D25C5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <77619970-1A19-430D-A442-C3E45353EFDB@blueyonder.co.uk> Well thank you for your support. On 3 May 2011, at 21:21, Sarah Alawami wrote: > but we've been sending them letter and contacting them via the website and it seems like they just shrug us of. why shoulc they care about a few thousand blind customers anyway? I don't like it but there ya go. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 3, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> We would gain access to the world's standard OfficE Suite. Like it or not probably 80% of businesses more than likely use Office for Windows or Mac. I used to use Office for Mac prior to going blind and thought it was a fantastic product and yes like it or not its currently superior to OpenOffice and iWork. >> >> Sighted users have the choice to use Office for Mac or Office for Windows. If you are a screen reader user and need to use Office you have only one platform to choose from and that is Windows. Apple's iTunes is fairly accessible on Windows, so why can't Microsoft repay the favour? I mean all we are asking is for them to follow Apple guidelines. Don't get me wrong Nisus Writer, iWork etc are all good products, but they are not the default standard when it comes to business. In the same way Final Cut pro is the standard for Video, Logic is the standard for MIDI sequencing, Pro Tools is the standard for audio recording and editing in recording studios, Adobe Dreamweaver is the standard for web design and Photoshop is the standard for pixel popping etc >> >> Office for Mac is a fantastic product, so why not have access to it? >> >> Chris >> On 3 May 2011, at 18:13, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: >> >>> I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft >>> Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that >>> making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would >>> be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software >>> is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages >>> and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as >>> accessible as possible. >>> What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from >>> Microsoft that we don't have already? >>> -Kevin >>> >>> >>> >>> Kevin Fjelsted >>> 651-270-2678 >>> >>> >>> On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>>> >>>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>>> >>>> Money always gets their attention. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> l >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 3 21:36:07 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 13:36:07 -0700 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> <20A05062-5D11-4927-9F81-36FDEC7E16D3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <84218041-CE23-4697-AE3D-6B23E8BFDD61@gmail.com> I guess I see your point but if we've been trying 4 4 years to contact them and they don't' even respond to emails and letters i think they have the attitude of we don't care so in a way, why should I. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 3, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > So we should just give up then? Great attitude. But some people require MS Office to compete in the world of employment. Wouldn't it be nice for blind users to have access to the business standard Office suite on an alternative platform to Windows? Wouldn't it be nice to no longer need VM Fusion? After all the Mac is the superior OS in my opinion and visually Office for the Mac is a joy to use, if you were able to use Office with VO, I am sure you would all agree. Nothing else comes close. > On 3 May 2011, at 21:19, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I agree. we've tried this already and it has not worked. since around 2007 or so. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On May 3, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: >> >>> I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft >>> Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that >>> making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would >>> be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software >>> is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages >>> and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as >>> accessible as possible. >>> What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from >>> Microsoft that we don't have already? >>> -Kevin >>> >>> >>> >>> Kevin Fjelsted >>> 651-270-2678 >>> >>> >>> On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>>> >>>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>>> >>>> Money always gets their attention. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> l >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 3 21:37:45 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 13:37:45 -0700 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <0F13ABDE-3F33-4E32-92D1-FB69D83868DA@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> <46E81C8C-3C7F-43A6-AA8A-571A0D3D25C5@gmail.com> <0F13ABDE-3F33-4E32-92D1-FB69D83868DA@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <5D1B6612-1A43-4FBF-AA37-401BDE4CBF82@gmail.com> I use text edit and open office and save all of my documents in dox format. the profs dunno I'm using a mac. they think I'm using windows. I will one day buy pages as I can do more things with that but until Im required to make beautiful documents and fliers I'll stick with my solution. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 3, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > Probably for the same reason why Adobe have started to listen, and maybe one day some new hot executive on the Mac business group might think hmm how can we increase market share on the Mac platform? Interest in the Mac platform from the blind community is on the increase, so their could be potentially more than just a 1000 users across the globe who would buy it. Or do blind Mac users just surf the net and read emails? What about students who may require access to Office like their sighted counterparts? > On 3 May 2011, at 21:21, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> but we've been sending them letter and contacting them via the website and it seems like they just shrug us of. why should they care about a few thousand blind customers anyway? I don't like it but there ya go. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On May 3, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> We would gain access to the world's standard OfficE Suite. Like it or not probably 80% of businesses more than likely use Office for Windows or Mac. I used to use Office for Mac prior to going blind and thought it was a fantastic product and yes like it or not its currently superior to OpenOffice and iWork. >>> >>> Sighted users have the choice to use Office for Mac or Office for Windows. If you are a screen reader user and need to use Office you have only one platform to choose from and that is Windows. Apple's iTunes is fairly accessible on Windows, so why can't Microsoft repay the favour? I mean all we are asking is for them to follow Apple guidelines. Don't get me wrong Nisus Writer, iWork etc are all good products, but they are not the default standard when it comes to business. In the same way Final Cut pro is the standard for Video, Logic is the standard for MIDI sequencing, Pro Tools is the standard for audio recording and editing in recording studios, Adobe Dreamweaver is the standard for web design and Photoshop is the standard for pixel popping etc >>> >>> Office for Mac is a fantastic product, so why not have access to it? >>> >>> Chris >>> On 3 May 2011, at 18:13, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: >>> >>>> I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft >>>> Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that >>>> making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would >>>> be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software >>>> is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages >>>> and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as >>>> accessible as possible. >>>> What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from >>>> Microsoft that we don't have already? >>>> -Kevin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kevin Fjelsted >>>> 651-270-2678 >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>>>> >>>>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>>>> >>>>> Money always gets their attention. >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> l >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 3 21:38:23 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 13:38:23 -0700 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <77619970-1A19-430D-A442-C3E45353EFDB@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> <46E81C8C-3C7F-43A6-AA8A-571A0D3D25C5@gmail.com> <77619970-1A19-430D-A442-C3E45353EFDB@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: any time. you try and send letters for 4 years or so and not even get anyware wiht a company. I've given up totally on microsoft and can't wait to dich them totalluy after my computer class is done with. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 3, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > Well thank you for your support. > On 3 May 2011, at 21:21, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> but we've been sending them letter and contacting them via the website and it seems like they just shrug us of. why shoulc they care about a few thousand blind customers anyway? I don't like it but there ya go. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On May 3, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> We would gain access to the world's standard OfficE Suite. Like it or not probably 80% of businesses more than likely use Office for Windows or Mac. I used to use Office for Mac prior to going blind and thought it was a fantastic product and yes like it or not its currently superior to OpenOffice and iWork. >>> >>> Sighted users have the choice to use Office for Mac or Office for Windows. If you are a screen reader user and need to use Office you have only one platform to choose from and that is Windows. Apple's iTunes is fairly accessible on Windows, so why can't Microsoft repay the favour? I mean all we are asking is for them to follow Apple guidelines. Don't get me wrong Nisus Writer, iWork etc are all good products, but they are not the default standard when it comes to business. In the same way Final Cut pro is the standard for Video, Logic is the standard for MIDI sequencing, Pro Tools is the standard for audio recording and editing in recording studios, Adobe Dreamweaver is the standard for web design and Photoshop is the standard for pixel popping etc >>> >>> Office for Mac is a fantastic product, so why not have access to it? >>> >>> Chris >>> On 3 May 2011, at 18:13, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: >>> >>>> I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft >>>> Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that >>>> making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would >>>> be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software >>>> is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages >>>> and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as >>>> accessible as possible. >>>> What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from >>>> Microsoft that we don't have already? >>>> -Kevin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kevin Fjelsted >>>> 651-270-2678 >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>>>> >>>>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>>>> >>>>> Money always gets their attention. >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> l >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue May 3 21:38:19 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 06:38:19 +1000 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <46E81C8C-3C7F-43A6-AA8A-571A0D3D25C5@gmail.com> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> <46E81C8C-3C7F-43A6-AA8A-571A0D3D25C5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7AD0A3CD-FC09-4FD7-8798-50A73FAE80CA@internode.on.net> Sarah your points are taken but if we just give up? Well that's really not going to do anyone any good. You're absolutely right, we've done all this before but we're going to have to keep doing int and I should also point out, its not Mac users who have accessibility problems with Microsoft and its products, there are quite a few features that are not accessible in Windows 7, try using a Windows Mobile 7 phone and see how you get on etc. On 04/05/2011, at 6:21 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > but we've been sending them letter and contacting them via the website and it seems like they just shrug us of. why shoulc they care about a few thousand blind customers anyway? I don't like it but there ya go. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 3, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> We would gain access to the world's standard OfficE Suite. Like it or not probably 80% of businesses more than likely use Office for Windows or Mac. I used to use Office for Mac prior to going blind and thought it was a fantastic product and yes like it or not its currently superior to OpenOffice and iWork. >> >> Sighted users have the choice to use Office for Mac or Office for Windows. If you are a screen reader user and need to use Office you have only one platform to choose from and that is Windows. Apple's iTunes is fairly accessible on Windows, so why can't Microsoft repay the favour? I mean all we are asking is for them to follow Apple guidelines. Don't get me wrong Nisus Writer, iWork etc are all good products, but they are not the default standard when it comes to business. In the same way Final Cut pro is the standard for Video, Logic is the standard for MIDI sequencing, Pro Tools is the standard for audio recording and editing in recording studios, Adobe Dreamweaver is the standard for web design and Photoshop is the standard for pixel popping etc >> >> Office for Mac is a fantastic product, so why not have access to it? >> >> Chris >> On 3 May 2011, at 18:13, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: >> >>> I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft >>> Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that >>> making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would >>> be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software >>> is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages >>> and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as >>> accessible as possible. >>> What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from >>> Microsoft that we don't have already? >>> -Kevin >>> >>> >>> >>> Kevin Fjelsted >>> 651-270-2678 >>> >>> >>> On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>>> >>>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>>> >>>> Money always gets their attention. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> l >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue May 3 21:38:57 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 06:38:57 +1000 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <3FCDDDDB-B6DE-400E-88C4-929846BF9C8A@gmail.com> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <3FCDDDDB-B6DE-400E-88C4-929846BF9C8A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ACFDD63-8ABA-4D91-B000-AA66E9D123C6@internode.on.net> I've put my 2 cents in so - even if it doesn't work - at least I like others tried and will try again. On 04/05/2011, at 6:22 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I wish you all luck. I personally don't think it will work. if it does I might consider it but I don't want to pay 300 for something I can get for $15 at the MAS . > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 3, 2011, at 1:02 PM, David McLean wrote: > >> I am up for it and just sent a message similar to the one you suggested. >> Hopefully many others will as well. >> On May 3, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>> >>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>> >>> Money always gets their attention. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue May 3 21:41:30 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 06:41:30 +1000 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <84218041-CE23-4697-AE3D-6B23E8BFDD61@gmail.com> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> <20A05062-5D11-4927-9F81-36FDEC7E16D3@gmail.com> <84218041-CE23-4697-AE3D-6B23E8BFDD61@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45BF5F0F-20B6-4B1A-86CF-F9D6C779CF33@internode.on.net> We could of course widen our focus a little, there are plenty of other ways to alert people to the problems with Office under OS10 and thus we could create more awareness of the situation and Microsoft may react to that. On 04/05/2011, at 6:36 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I guess I see your point but if we've been trying 4 4 years to contact them and they don't' even respond to emails and letters i think they have the attitude of we don't care so in a way, why should I. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 3, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> So we should just give up then? Great attitude. But some people require MS Office to compete in the world of employment. Wouldn't it be nice for blind users to have access to the business standard Office suite on an alternative platform to Windows? Wouldn't it be nice to no longer need VM Fusion? After all the Mac is the superior OS in my opinion and visually Office for the Mac is a joy to use, if you were able to use Office with VO, I am sure you would all agree. Nothing else comes close. >> On 3 May 2011, at 21:19, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> I agree. we've tried this already and it has not worked. since around 2007 or so. >>> Sarah Alawami >>> >>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>> >>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>> >>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>> >>> On May 3, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: >>> >>>> I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft >>>> Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that >>>> making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would >>>> be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software >>>> is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages >>>> and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as >>>> accessible as possible. >>>> What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from >>>> Microsoft that we don't have already? >>>> -Kevin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kevin Fjelsted >>>> 651-270-2678 >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>>>> >>>>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>>>> >>>>> Money always gets their attention. >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> l >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Tue May 3 21:41:36 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 21:41:36 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <7AD0A3CD-FC09-4FD7-8798-50A73FAE80CA@internode.on.net> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> <46E81C8C-3C7F-43A6-AA8A-571A0D3D25C5@gmail.com> <7AD0A3CD-FC09-4FD7-8798-50A73FAE80CA@internode.on.net> Message-ID: hear hear Dane. On 3 May 2011, at 21:38, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Sarah your points are taken but if we just give up? Well that's really not going to do anyone any good. > > You're absolutely right, we've done all this before but we're going to have to keep doing int and I should also point out, its not Mac users who have accessibility problems with Microsoft and its products, there are quite a few features that are not accessible in Windows 7, try using a Windows Mobile 7 phone and see how you get on etc. > > > On 04/05/2011, at 6:21 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> but we've been sending them letter and contacting them via the website and it seems like they just shrug us of. why shoulc they care about a few thousand blind customers anyway? I don't like it but there ya go. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On May 3, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> We would gain access to the world's standard OfficE Suite. Like it or not probably 80% of businesses more than likely use Office for Windows or Mac. I used to use Office for Mac prior to going blind and thought it was a fantastic product and yes like it or not its currently superior to OpenOffice and iWork. >>> >>> Sighted users have the choice to use Office for Mac or Office for Windows. If you are a screen reader user and need to use Office you have only one platform to choose from and that is Windows. Apple's iTunes is fairly accessible on Windows, so why can't Microsoft repay the favour? I mean all we are asking is for them to follow Apple guidelines. Don't get me wrong Nisus Writer, iWork etc are all good products, but they are not the default standard when it comes to business. In the same way Final Cut pro is the standard for Video, Logic is the standard for MIDI sequencing, Pro Tools is the standard for audio recording and editing in recording studios, Adobe Dreamweaver is the standard for web design and Photoshop is the standard for pixel popping etc >>> >>> Office for Mac is a fantastic product, so why not have access to it? >>> >>> Chris >>> On 3 May 2011, at 18:13, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: >>> >>>> I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft >>>> Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that >>>> making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would >>>> be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software >>>> is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages >>>> and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as >>>> accessible as possible. >>>> What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from >>>> Microsoft that we don't have already? >>>> -Kevin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Kevin Fjelsted >>>> 651-270-2678 >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>>>> >>>>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>>>> >>>>> Money always gets their attention. >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> l >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue May 3 21:42:56 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 06:42:56 +1000 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <5D1B6612-1A43-4FBF-AA37-401BDE4CBF82@gmail.com> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> <46E81C8C-3C7F-43A6-AA8A-571A0D3D25C5@gmail.com> <0F13ABDE-3F33-4E32-92D1-FB69D83868DA@blueyonder.co.uk> <5D1B6612-1A43-4FBF-AA37-401BDE4CBF82@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8F7BA516-AE53-4BE1-A6ED-59A9F7FFB209@internode.on.net> Yep that's all very nice, I do the same but when you're in a work environment you usually don't have a choice of what you use so if you're told to use a Mac with Office 2011 loaded on it then what do you do next if you can't use the thing? On 04/05/2011, at 6:37 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I use text edit and open office and save all of my documents in dox format. the profs dunno I'm using a mac. they think I'm using windows. I will one day buy pages as I can do more things with that but until Im required to make beautiful documents and fliers I'll stick with my solution. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 3, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Probably for the same reason why Adobe have started to listen, and maybe one day some new hot executive on the Mac business group might think hmm how can we increase market share on the Mac platform? Interest in the Mac platform from the blind community is on the increase, so their could be potentially more than just a 1000 users across the globe who would buy it. Or do blind Mac users just surf the net and read emails? What about students who may require access to Office like their sighted counterparts? >> On 3 May 2011, at 21:21, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> but we've been sending them letter and contacting them via the website and it seems like they just shrug us of. why should they care about a few thousand blind customers anyway? I don't like it but there ya go. >>> Sarah Alawami >>> >>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>> >>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>> >>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>> >>> On May 3, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>>> We would gain access to the world's standard OfficE Suite. Like it or not probably 80% of businesses more than likely use Office for Windows or Mac. I used to use Office for Mac prior to going blind and thought it was a fantastic product and yes like it or not its currently superior to OpenOffice and iWork. >>>> >>>> Sighted users have the choice to use Office for Mac or Office for Windows. If you are a screen reader user and need to use Office you have only one platform to choose from and that is Windows. Apple's iTunes is fairly accessible on Windows, so why can't Microsoft repay the favour? I mean all we are asking is for them to follow Apple guidelines. Don't get me wrong Nisus Writer, iWork etc are all good products, but they are not the default standard when it comes to business. In the same way Final Cut pro is the standard for Video, Logic is the standard for MIDI sequencing, Pro Tools is the standard for audio recording and editing in recording studios, Adobe Dreamweaver is the standard for web design and Photoshop is the standard for pixel popping etc >>>> >>>> Office for Mac is a fantastic product, so why not have access to it? >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> On 3 May 2011, at 18:13, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft >>>>> Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that >>>>> making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would >>>>> be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software >>>>> is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages >>>>> and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as >>>>> accessible as possible. >>>>> What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from >>>>> Microsoft that we don't have already? >>>>> -Kevin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kevin Fjelsted >>>>> 651-270-2678 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>>>>> >>>>>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>>>>> >>>>>> Money always gets their attention. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> l >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Tue May 3 21:44:48 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 21:44:48 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <45BF5F0F-20B6-4B1A-86CF-F9D6C779CF33@internode.on.net> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> <20A05062-5D11-4927-9F81-36FDEC7E16D3@gmail.com> <84218041-CE23-4697-AE3D-6B23E8BFDD61@gmail.com> <45BF5F0F-20B6-4B1A-86CF-F9D6C779CF33@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Great idea, what do you have in mind? On 3 May 2011, at 21:41, Dane Trethowan wrote: > We could of course widen our focus a little, there are plenty of other ways to alert people to the problems with Office under OS10 and thus we could create more awareness of the situation and Microsoft may react to that. > > > On 04/05/2011, at 6:36 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I guess I see your point but if we've been trying 4 4 years to contact them and they don't' even respond to emails and letters i think they have the attitude of we don't care so in a way, why should I. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On May 3, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> So we should just give up then? Great attitude. But some people require MS Office to compete in the world of employment. Wouldn't it be nice for blind users to have access to the business standard Office suite on an alternative platform to Windows? Wouldn't it be nice to no longer need VM Fusion? After all the Mac is the superior OS in my opinion and visually Office for the Mac is a joy to use, if you were able to use Office with VO, I am sure you would all agree. Nothing else comes close. >>> On 3 May 2011, at 21:19, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> >>>> I agree. we've tried this already and it has not worked. since around 2007 or so. >>>> Sarah Alawami >>>> >>>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>>> >>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>>> >>>> On May 3, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft >>>>> Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that >>>>> making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would >>>>> be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software >>>>> is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages >>>>> and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as >>>>> accessible as possible. >>>>> What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from >>>>> Microsoft that we don't have already? >>>>> -Kevin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kevin Fjelsted >>>>> 651-270-2678 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>>>>> >>>>>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>>>>> >>>>>> Money always gets their attention. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> l >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue May 3 21:49:44 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 06:49:44 +1000 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> <20A05062-5D11-4927-9F81-36FDEC7E16D3@gmail.com> <84218041-CE23-4697-AE3D-6B23E8BFDD61@gmail.com> <45BF5F0F-20B6-4B1A-86CF-F9D6C779CF33@internode.on.net> Message-ID: hmm, not exactly sure but maybe we should be directing some of our fire - for want of a better way of putting it - at some blindness agencies or organisations, alert them to the problems of Microsoft accessibility with Office for the Mac and hope they may consent to give us a hand in passing the message on to Microsoft? I know some of the agencies here are now selling Mac systems to visually impaired clients so surely! this sort of thing would be in their best interests too! I know there are other residents of Australia on this list so perhaps they may be able to help pass the word on or may know other contacts. Further to that we have plenty of forums where the message can be spread in both the sighted and blind community, for example a small Podcast on Blind Cool Tech to try and get additional support etc might be a good idea. On 04/05/2011, at 6:44 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > Great idea, what do you have in mind? > On 3 May 2011, at 21:41, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> We could of course widen our focus a little, there are plenty of other ways to alert people to the problems with Office under OS10 and thus we could create more awareness of the situation and Microsoft may react to that. >> >> >> On 04/05/2011, at 6:36 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> I guess I see your point but if we've been trying 4 4 years to contact them and they don't' even respond to emails and letters i think they have the attitude of we don't care so in a way, why should I. >>> Sarah Alawami >>> >>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>> >>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>> >>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>> >>> On May 3, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>>> So we should just give up then? Great attitude. But some people require MS Office to compete in the world of employment. Wouldn't it be nice for blind users to have access to the business standard Office suite on an alternative platform to Windows? Wouldn't it be nice to no longer need VM Fusion? After all the Mac is the superior OS in my opinion and visually Office for the Mac is a joy to use, if you were able to use Office with VO, I am sure you would all agree. Nothing else comes close. >>>> On 3 May 2011, at 21:19, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree. we've tried this already and it has not worked. since around 2007 or so. >>>>> Sarah Alawami >>>>> >>>>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>>>> >>>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>>>> >>>>> On May 3, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft >>>>>> Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that >>>>>> making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would >>>>>> be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software >>>>>> is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages >>>>>> and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as >>>>>> accessible as possible. >>>>>> What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from >>>>>> Microsoft that we don't have already? >>>>>> -Kevin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Kevin Fjelsted >>>>>> 651-270-2678 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Money always gets their attention. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> l >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue May 3 21:57:31 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 06:57:31 +1000 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> <20A05062-5D11-4927-9F81-36FDEC7E16D3@gmail.com> <84218041-CE23-4697-AE3D-6B23E8BFDD61@gmail.com> <45BF5F0F-20B6-4B1A-86CF-F9D6C779CF33@internode.on.net> Message-ID: I'm also wondring, aren't there supposed to be laws against discrimination when it comes to accessibility in the U.S.? If that's the case then I for one would be prepared to put up some money towards hiring a law professional to look at this. On 04/05/2011, at 6:44 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > Great idea, what do you have in mind? > On 3 May 2011, at 21:41, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> We could of course widen our focus a little, there are plenty of other ways to alert people to the problems with Office under OS10 and thus we could create more awareness of the situation and Microsoft may react to that. >> >> >> On 04/05/2011, at 6:36 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> I guess I see your point but if we've been trying 4 4 years to contact them and they don't' even respond to emails and letters i think they have the attitude of we don't care so in a way, why should I. >>> Sarah Alawami >>> >>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>> >>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>> >>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>> >>> On May 3, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>>> So we should just give up then? Great attitude. But some people require MS Office to compete in the world of employment. Wouldn't it be nice for blind users to have access to the business standard Office suite on an alternative platform to Windows? Wouldn't it be nice to no longer need VM Fusion? After all the Mac is the superior OS in my opinion and visually Office for the Mac is a joy to use, if you were able to use Office with VO, I am sure you would all agree. Nothing else comes close. >>>> On 3 May 2011, at 21:19, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>> >>>>> I agree. we've tried this already and it has not worked. since around 2007 or so. >>>>> Sarah Alawami >>>>> >>>>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>>>> >>>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>>>> >>>>> On May 3, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft >>>>>> Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that >>>>>> making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would >>>>>> be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software >>>>>> is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages >>>>>> and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as >>>>>> accessible as possible. >>>>>> What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from >>>>>> Microsoft that we don't have already? >>>>>> -Kevin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Kevin Fjelsted >>>>>> 651-270-2678 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Money always gets their attention. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> l >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From smur7241 at bigpond.net.au Tue May 3 22:00:49 2011 From: smur7241 at bigpond.net.au (Sean Murphy) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 07:00:49 +1000 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <33B27A6A4D434B74A71DAACA679B5397@seans> Kevin, Cross compatibility and standards used within organisation is the main reason. Home use has no reason to use it. but if you work in an company that states Microsoft is the standard for Office aps. Then you have to use the program. If it is not accessible. Then you will have to use a full windows solution or a VMWare. Other point is that all products that come from large organisations like Microsoft should make their products accessible by principle. Sean cannot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Fjelsted" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 3:13 AM Subject: Re: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac >I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft > Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that > making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would > be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software > is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages > and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as > accessible as possible. > What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from > Microsoft that we don't have already? > -Kevin > > > > Kevin Fjelsted > 651-270-2678 > > > On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. >> Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email >> requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point >> them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >> >> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for >> and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office >> Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is >> not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built >> in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for >> VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >> >> Money always gets their attention. >> >> Chris >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> l > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From smur7241 at bigpond.net.au Tue May 3 22:05:00 2011 From: smur7241 at bigpond.net.au (Sean Murphy) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 07:05:00 +1000 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk><1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid><46E81C8C-3C7F-43A6-AA8A-571A0D3D25C5@gmail.com><77619970-1A19-430D-A442-C3E45353EFDB@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Sarah, You are one person. A campain with 100's even more people need to pound on the door. Even possibley a class action. why not hit on NBF (for USA users) and other like organisations in other countries to put pressure on Microsoft. Go to Microsoft accessibility at microsoft.com as well with your complaints. Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Alawami" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 6:38 AM Subject: Re: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac > any time. you try and send letters for 4 years or so and not even get > anyware wiht a company. I've given up totally on microsoft and can't wait > to dich them totalluy after my computer class is done with. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to > http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact > me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 3, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Well thank you for your support. >> On 3 May 2011, at 21:21, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> but we've been sending them letter and contacting them via the website >>> and it seems like they just shrug us of. why shoulc they care about a >>> few thousand blind customers anyway? I don't like it but there ya go. >>> Sarah Alawami >>> >>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to >>> http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to >>> contact me my info is below. >>> >>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>> >>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>> >>> On May 3, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>>> We would gain access to the world's standard OfficE Suite. Like it or >>>> not probably 80% of businesses more than likely use Office for Windows >>>> or Mac. I used to use Office for Mac prior to going blind and thought >>>> it was a fantastic product and yes like it or not its currently >>>> superior to OpenOffice and iWork. >>>> >>>> Sighted users have the choice to use Office for Mac or Office for >>>> Windows. If you are a screen reader user and need to use Office you >>>> have only one platform to choose from and that is Windows. Apple's >>>> iTunes is fairly accessible on Windows, so why can't Microsoft repay >>>> the favour? I mean all we are asking is for them to follow Apple >>>> guidelines. Don't get me wrong Nisus Writer, iWork etc are all good >>>> products, but they are not the default standard when it comes to >>>> business. In the same way Final Cut pro is the standard for Video, >>>> Logic is the standard for MIDI sequencing, Pro Tools is the standard >>>> for audio recording and editing in recording studios, Adobe Dreamweaver >>>> is the standard for web design and Photoshop is the standard for pixel >>>> popping etc >>>> >>>> Office for Mac is a fantastic product, so why not have access to it? >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> On 3 May 2011, at 18:13, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft >>>>> Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that >>>>> making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would >>>>> be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software >>>>> is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages >>>>> and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as >>>>> accessible as possible. >>>>> What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from >>>>> Microsoft that we don't have already? >>>>> -Kevin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kevin Fjelsted >>>>> 651-270-2678 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. >>>>>> Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email >>>>>> requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then >>>>>> point them to this web >>>>>> page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>>>>> >>>>>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback >>>>>> for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your >>>>>> Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your >>>>>> product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver >>>>>> which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you >>>>>> were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of >>>>>> Sales. >>>>>> >>>>>> Money always gets their attention. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >>>>>> the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>>> l >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >>>>> the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >>>> the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >>> the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From smur7241 at bigpond.net.au Tue May 3 22:07:35 2011 From: smur7241 at bigpond.net.au (Sean Murphy) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 07:07:35 +1000 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <3FCDDDDB-B6DE-400E-88C4-929846BF9C8A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <41F7739CD9C2478D91C1DBB91E6EEF8D@seans> sarah, I get the impression you are a student. This is fine for now. But as I and other have stated. Once you go for job hunting. You will have 2 options if you work for a organisation that forces you to use a product. 1. Use Windows. 2. Use Virtual Windows on your MAc that is if they state only MS Office can be used. Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Alawami" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 6:22 AM Subject: Re: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac >I wish you all luck. I personally don't think it will work. if it does I >might consider it but I don't want to pay 300 for something I can get for >$15 at the MAS . > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to > http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact > me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 3, 2011, at 1:02 PM, David McLean wrote: > >> I am up for it and just sent a message similar to the one you suggested. >> Hopefully many others will as well. >> On May 3, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. >>> Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email >>> requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point >>> them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>> >>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for >>> and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office >>> Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is >>> not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built >>> in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for >>> VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>> >>> Money always gets their attention. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to >>> the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From stuartyoung at samobile.net Tue May 3 22:36:56 2011 From: stuartyoung at samobile.net (Stuart Young) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 17:36:56 -0400 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac Message-ID: <20110503213656.8069.45629@domU-12-31-38-04-0E-D6.compute-1.internal> I have sent a message to them as well anyone think of maybe setting up a partition for this? I believe that we should all have equal access to software such as Microsoft Office for the mac just like anyone Else who has vision. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From stuartyoung at samobile.net Tue May 3 22:40:13 2011 From: stuartyoung at samobile.net (Stuart Young) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 17:40:13 -0400 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac Message-ID: <20110503214013.17108.26375@domU-12-31-38-04-0E-D6.compute-1.internal> Hi Chris I think that this is A great idea if you need any assistance with this just let me know. -- You can contact me in one of the following ways: Skype: youngstuart70 MSN: stuartyoung at samobile.net Phone:. (Mobile) 07814796821 (Home) 01392 273445 Thank you!. Regards, Stuart Young. Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 3 22:47:48 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 14:47:48 -0700 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <20110503213656.8069.45629@domU-12-31-38-04-0E-D6.compute-1.internal> References: <20110503213656.8069.45629@domU-12-31-38-04-0E-D6.compute-1.internal> Message-ID: <7CB1090E-4C9C-46CC-B94C-338E175ED2E1@gmail.com> There was a petition I believe but just in case you can set on e up at http://www.change.org good luck. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 3, 2011, at 2:36 PM, Stuart Young wrote: > I have sent a message to them as well > anyone think of maybe setting up a partition for this? I believe that we should all have equal access to software such as Microsoft Office for the mac just like anyone Else who has vision. > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Tue May 3 22:54:24 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 22:54:24 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> <20A05062-5D11-4927-9F81-36FDEC7E16D3@gmail.com> <84218041-CE23-4697-AE3D-6B23E8BFDD61@gmail.com> <45BF5F0F-20B6-4B1A-86CF-F9D6C779CF33@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <56887851-0306-4DCD-9F39-30524EAE65B5@blueyonder.co.uk> I like it, maybe get the likes of Serotalk involved too, and blind bargains etc On 3 May 2011, at 21:49, Dane Trethowan wrote: > hmm, not exactly sure but maybe we should be directing some of our fire - for want of a better way of putting it - at some blindness agencies or organisations, alert them to the problems of Microsoft accessibility with Office for the Mac and hope they may consent to give us a hand in passing the message on to Microsoft? I know some of the agencies here are now selling Mac systems to visually impaired clients so surely! this sort of thing would be in their best interests too! > > I know there are other residents of Australia on this list so perhaps they may be able to help pass the word on or may know other contacts. > > Further to that we have plenty of forums where the message can be spread in both the sighted and blind community, for example a small Podcast on Blind Cool Tech to try and get additional support etc might be a good idea. > > > On 04/05/2011, at 6:44 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Great idea, what do you have in mind? >> On 3 May 2011, at 21:41, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> We could of course widen our focus a little, there are plenty of other ways to alert people to the problems with Office under OS10 and thus we could create more awareness of the situation and Microsoft may react to that. >>> >>> >>> On 04/05/2011, at 6:36 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> >>>> I guess I see your point but if we've been trying 4 4 years to contact them and they don't' even respond to emails and letters i think they have the attitude of we don't care so in a way, why should I. >>>> Sarah Alawami >>>> >>>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>>> >>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>>> >>>> On May 3, 2011, at 1:24 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>> >>>>> So we should just give up then? Great attitude. But some people require MS Office to compete in the world of employment. Wouldn't it be nice for blind users to have access to the business standard Office suite on an alternative platform to Windows? Wouldn't it be nice to no longer need VM Fusion? After all the Mac is the superior OS in my opinion and visually Office for the Mac is a joy to use, if you were able to use Office with VO, I am sure you would all agree. Nothing else comes close. >>>>> On 3 May 2011, at 21:19, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I agree. we've tried this already and it has not worked. since around 2007 or so. >>>>>> Sarah Alawami >>>>>> >>>>>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>>>>> >>>>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>>>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>>>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 3, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I think it would be useful to think of why we would need Microsoft >>>>>>> Office with the other solutions out there? I am not so sure that >>>>>>> making officeVO compatible would increase sales. I wonder if it would >>>>>>> be better to focus on gaining support from developers who's software >>>>>>> is close I.E., accessible already. Nisus for one comes to mind. Pages >>>>>>> and Numbers which are Apple products and certainly should be made as >>>>>>> accessible as possible. >>>>>>> What do we really gain by having an Office accessible solution from >>>>>>> Microsoft that we don't have already? >>>>>>> -Kevin >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Kevin Fjelsted >>>>>>> 651-270-2678 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 3, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Money always gets their attention. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>> l >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Tue May 3 23:04:39 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 23:04:39 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <20110503214013.17108.26375@domU-12-31-38-04-0E-D6.compute-1.internal> References: <20110503214013.17108.26375@domU-12-31-38-04-0E-D6.compute-1.internal> Message-ID: <26D0F407-969D-4092-BA32-8C8A979453C6@blueyonder.co.uk> Stuart, Thank you very much for your support. I will be in touch very soon. Regards Chris On 3 May 2011, at 22:40, Stuart Young wrote: > Hi Chris > I think that this is A great idea if you need any assistance with this just let me know. > > -- > You can contact me in one of the following ways: > Skype: > youngstuart70 > MSN: > stuartyoung at samobile.net > Phone:. > (Mobile) 07814796821 > (Home) 01392 273445 > Thank you!. > Regards, Stuart Young. > > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Tue May 3 23:07:46 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 18:07:46 -0400 Subject: VM Ware fusion, installing VM tools, stuck, In-Reply-To: <88EC5B30-8833-4C85-9673-A32900F3FC42@gmail.com> References: <4dbd8788.1463dc0a.603a.2dd4@mx.google.com> <7347CCEC-E5D7-4B3D-98A2-E7C4E4E2D6DD@mac-access.net> <7BBF4EA7-F8CA-4B04-808F-9F4CE1BFA9E1@mac-access.net> <88EC5B30-8833-4C85-9673-A32900F3FC42@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4dc07cb1.8a4ee50a.323d.149e@mx.google.com> You'll need something; it's not simply a matter of clicking one box. At 06:56 AM 5/3/2011, you wrote: >Hi! > >Well, I have no idea how I managed to do it without help, but I can >say that a sound is played when it's there. > >Actually, what I did was to click "Cancel VMWare Tools" in the >Virtual Machine menu, then install NVDA and install the tools. > >Regards, >Nic >On May 3, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > > > Sarah > > > > On 2 May 2011, at 19:55, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > > > Try hitting alt plus y when the dialogue comes up. I didn't try > this but it might work. > > > > The point is how are you going to know when that dialogue box > pops up? I have vision so it was relatively easy for me. But the > UAC dialogue pops up more than once and you as blind people would > never know it was there. > > > > Lynne > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Tue May 3 23:09:08 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 18:09:08 -0400 Subject: how to run windows on my macbook pro In-Reply-To: References: <449DC216-1CE7-4EA8-BD9C-5330EA20E1F6@gmail.com> <2697E478-383E-4256-A5E7-1096EA0C69A3@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4dc07d03.8a4ee50a.323d.14aa@mx.google.com> Since you brought it up; more problematic? How? As someone who has used every version of Windows Since 95 I can say 7 is clearly the best. It's more stable and secure than any of the others. If the last you used was XP or even Vista you have outdated information. At 07:02 AM 5/3/2011, you wrote: >Hello Mike > >On 3 May 2011, at 01:06, Mike Arrigo wrote: > >? I wonder if the install stops if you can press >windows key then press u and then press n to >start narrator. UAC is a thorn in the flesh to >put it nicely, I know if I ever have to install >windows 7, that's the first thing that will be disabled. > >I don't want to go too far down this road; since >Windows is off topic for this group. But I think >you'll find 7 far more problematic than previous versions, including Vista. > >Lynne > > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your >message to mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all >messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed >malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership >options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Tue May 3 23:10:51 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 18:10:51 -0400 Subject: VM Ware fusion, installing VM tools, stuck, In-Reply-To: References: <4dbd8788.1463dc0a.603a.2dd4@mx.google.com> <7347CCEC-E5D7-4B3D-98A2-E7C4E4E2D6DD@mac-access.net> <8880EF83-E602-476E-8656-796DD098A66A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4dc07d6a.9c4de50a.56dc.1386@mx.google.com> I believe Lynn was expressing some kind of disbelief that someone would use a disk to install software. I chose to buy the disk myself as I still like having a disk around plus it was actually $10 cheaper to buy the software on disk as opposed to buying online. At 01:17 PM 5/3/2011, you wrote: >Oh, sorry, the install disk for vm fusion. > >Caitlyn > >On May 3, 2011, at 6:50 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > > > Hello Cait > > > > On 2 May 2011, at 18:13, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > > > > ? Ok, so you have to do this with the fusion > dvd in the slot, then? Will it let you know > when the tools are installed? I noticed the > other day that my virtual machine says "test > machine" Maybe this is part of my problems getting this thing to run... > > > > Fusion DVD? I'm confused; what Fusion DVD? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To reply to this post, please address your > message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of > all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed > malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership > options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your >message to mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all >messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed >malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership >options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed May 4 00:15:01 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 16:15:01 -0700 Subject: vlc and the inability to encue files? Message-ID: Ok I'm quite surprised that vlc cannot en-cue files at all. I know many basic players including cog do this and even itunes can do this so is there a way to add files to vlc rather then open them only? Thanks. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed May 4 00:27:37 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 09:27:37 +1000 Subject: vlc and the inability to encue files? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm quite surprised too! handles them here no problem. On 04/05/2011, at 9:15 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Ok I'm quite surprised that vlc cannot en-cue files at all. I know many basic players including cog do this and even itunes can do this so is there a way to add files to vlc rather then open them only? > > Thanks. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Wed May 4 00:34:31 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 01:34:31 +0200 Subject: vlc and the inability to encue files? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Indeed, I tend to agree. Queuing files in VLC is really simple. If I don't queue it all at once, I just open the ones I need when I want to queue them. That seems to work for me, since it doesn't get rid of the other files. Regards, Nic Den May 4, 2011 kl. 1:27 AM skrev Dane Trethowan: > I'm quite surprised too! handles them here no problem. > > > On 04/05/2011, at 9:15 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Ok I'm quite surprised that vlc cannot en-cue files at all. I know many basic players including cog do this and even itunes can do this so is there a way to add files to vlc rather then open them only? >> >> Thanks. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed May 4 00:55:23 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 16:55:23 -0700 Subject: vlc and the inability to encue files? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81A727EA-87D7-4C9B-8915-55197EDD2CE5@gmail.com> Huh? every time I hit cmd O it stops what's playing and then opens up the new ones. I can't see the playlist at all since it shows as image but yeah there ya go. I've even saved the playlist and verified this. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 3, 2011, at 4:34 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > Indeed, I tend to agree. Queuing files in VLC is really simple. If I don't queue it all at once, I just open the ones I need when I want to queue them. That seems to work for me, since it doesn't get rid of the other files. > > Regards, > Nic > Den May 4, 2011 kl. 1:27 AM skrev Dane Trethowan: > >> I'm quite surprised too! handles them here no problem. >> >> >> On 04/05/2011, at 9:15 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> Ok I'm quite surprised that vlc cannot en-cue files at all. I know many basic players including cog do this and even itunes can do this so is there a way to add files to vlc rather then open them only? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> Sarah Alawami >>> >>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>> >>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>> >>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From david.mclean at cox.net Wed May 4 01:30:53 2011 From: david.mclean at cox.net (David McLean) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 20:30:53 -0400 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <3FCDDDDB-B6DE-400E-88C4-929846BF9C8A@gmail.com> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <3FCDDDDB-B6DE-400E-88C4-929846BF9C8A@gmail.com> Message-ID: I guess they way I look at is it took me less than 2 minutes to write the note. What do I have to lose? On May 3, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I wish you all luck. I personally don't think it will work. if it does I might consider it but I don't want to pay 300 for something I can get for $15 at the MAS . > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 3, 2011, at 1:02 PM, David McLean wrote: > >> I am up for it and just sent a message similar to the one you suggested. >> Hopefully many others will as well. >> On May 3, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>> >>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>> >>> Money always gets their attention. >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed May 4 01:48:59 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 10:48:59 +1000 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <3FCDDDDB-B6DE-400E-88C4-929846BF9C8A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Exactly, only takes a couple of minutes and yet that couple of minutes could benefit a couple of million people worldwide . On 04/05/2011, at 10:30 AM, David McLean wrote: > I guess they way I look at is it took me less than 2 minutes to write the note. What do I have to lose? > On May 3, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I wish you all luck. I personally don't think it will work. if it does I might consider it but I don't want to pay 300 for something I can get for $15 at the MAS . >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On May 3, 2011, at 1:02 PM, David McLean wrote: >> >>> I am up for it and just sent a message similar to the one you suggested. >>> Hopefully many others will as well. >>> On May 3, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>>> >>>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>>> >>>> Money always gets their attention. >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed May 4 01:53:58 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 10:53:58 +1000 Subject: Accessibility on mp3tunes.com Message-ID: Howdy! Just received a reply from the support people at mp3tunes.com regarding accessibility of their site and software. The support people both apologised for the inconvenience caused to the inaccessible nature of their site and software and said they would see what they could do about these problems in the coming days so that at least is hopeful, I'll keep you up to date with developments if they're are any but it shows yet again what a previous poster said is absolutely true, spare a couple of minutes and you can make a world of difference . From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed May 4 01:58:38 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 17:58:38 -0700 Subject: Accessibility on mp3tunes.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6E9E9924-867C-4525-AAF7-08F4FAC9EBA2@gmail.com> lol. waiting 4 years is I htink the exctption to ht erule. see a prior thread lol! keep us posted. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 3, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Howdy! > > Just received a reply from the support people at mp3tunes.com regarding accessibility of their site and software. > > The support people both apologised for the inconvenience caused to the inaccessible nature of their site and software and said they would see what they could do about these problems in the coming days so that at least is hopeful, I'll keep you up to date with developments if they're are any but it shows yet again what a previous poster said is absolutely true, spare a couple of minutes and you can make a world of difference . > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed May 4 02:08:12 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 18:08:12 -0700 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <3FCDDDDB-B6DE-400E-88C4-929846BF9C8A@gmail.com> Message-ID: tha's the same website of prior versions of office I wrote the same note on though. I figure they just done' care anymore. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 3, 2011, at 5:48 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Exactly, only takes a couple of minutes and yet that couple of minutes could benefit a couple of million people worldwide . > > > On 04/05/2011, at 10:30 AM, David McLean wrote: > >> I guess they way I look at is it took me less than 2 minutes to write the note. What do I have to lose? >> On May 3, 2011, at 4:22 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> I wish you all luck. I personally don't think it will work. if it does I might consider it but I don't want to pay 300 for something I can get for $15 at the MAS . >>> Sarah Alawami >>> >>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>> >>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>> >>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>> >>> On May 3, 2011, at 1:02 PM, David McLean wrote: >>> >>>> I am up for it and just sent a message similar to the one you suggested. >>>> Hopefully many others will as well. >>>> On May 3, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Chris Moore wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Maybe we should start a campaign to get Office on the Mac accessible. Anyone up for it? If you know anyone who is willing to send an email requesting that Microsoft make their Office Suite accessible then point them to this web page.http://www.microsoft.com/mac/product-feedback >>>>> >>>>> Select the Office product you are interested in providing feedback for and say something like "I am very interested in purchasing your Office Suite for the Macintosh platform. However, i understand your product is not accessible as it is not compatible with VoiceOver which is the built in screen reader for the blind for OS X. If you were to add support for VoiceOver, this would result in thousands of Sales. >>>>> >>>>> Money always gets their attention. >>>>> >>>>> Chris >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Wed May 4 02:31:47 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 02:31:47 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> Hi all This is just my own personal take on the Microsoft versus Apple versus Adobe versus the VoiceOver user battle, but here it is for whatever it's worth. Given the ongoing struggle between Microsoft, Apple, Adobe and others, I doubt this "campaign" will have any effect in the short to medium term, to be utterly honest. And besides, there are other issues which come into play here, issues which are beyond Adobe and Microsoft's control. Those being Apple's apparent unwillingness to cooperate with its biggest rivals. I think that, for the foreseeable future, people will have to live with the fact that only third-party utilities are going to provide access to their Windows favourites and documents. Consider: Microsoft Live Essentials for Mac is not accessible. Neither is Microsoft Internet Explorer for Mac. In fact, I am not aware of a single "Mactopia" application which is accessible. Adobe's products such as Dreamweaver CS4, Adobe Acrobat.com, Adobe Creator Suite are not accessible. Adobe PDF Reader is only accessible in as much as it employs TTS. So I think that the little voices in the wilderness which, sadly, is what we are when it comes to the politics between the three giants of the computing industry, will have a very long wait indeed before unification arrives. Sorry if I sound skeptical but those are the facts, as I see them and I personally am not going to waste my time trying to make these groups see sense. But if you are one of those who is determined to push this, the very best of luck to you. I would also urge you, however, to contact Apple and urge them to make public some of the APIs necessary to allow some developers to implement accessibility into their products. Another good example of this lack of available APIs is the very popular and, according to Lynne, excellent PDF Pen Pro 5 for Mat. Put simply it's the best way to manipulate and create PDF documents on the Mac OSX platform. Lynne uses it all the time as part of her work because of its ease of use and is support for full-blown secure PDF creation. But maddeningly, it isn't accessible for the same reasons. Apple will not make public the API's necessary to expose PDF documents to VoiceOver. I am not an authority on this subject, but I think that, when many vendors and developers tell you the same story, and yes ... I have made it my business to investigate this issue in some detail, it has to have some grain of truth attached to it. As things are, the future is uncertain regarding quite a lot of the apps which many of us already use. But I urge people to look at third-party utilities such as Nisus Writer Pro and Express which has been discussed on this list of late. I personally own a license to it, but don't use it all that much. But there is no denying that it provides excellent support for Microsoft Word documents. There are also other applications such as Tables which, although not free, provide excellent spreadsheet accessibility. Microsoft Office for Mac really isn't anything spectacular anyway, according to the visually abled users I speak to regularly who have tried it. In fact, all but one of them who I know have dumped it totally in favour of other products. Tells me something at least, it's a battle much akin to using a wet sponge as your opponent in a boxing match. You'll expend a lot of energy and, though you'll obviously benefit from the exercise, there won't be much else to show for your efforts when the final bell rings. Gordon From gordon at mac-access.net Wed May 4 02:36:11 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 02:36:11 +0100 Subject: VM Ware fusion, installing VM tools, stuck, In-Reply-To: <4dc07d6a.9c4de50a.56dc.1386@mx.google.com> References: <4dbd8788.1463dc0a.603a.2dd4@mx.google.com> <7347CCEC-E5D7-4B3D-98A2-E7C4E4E2D6DD@mac-access.net> <8880EF83-E602-476E-8656-796DD098A66A@mac-access.net> <4dc07d6a.9c4de50a.56dc.1386@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3756A141-207A-4F8D-8199-6173506C4CE1@mac-access.net> Kevin No, you have Lynne's meaning wrong. She just wasn't aware that Fusion was available on DVD. Gordon On 3 May 2011, at 23:10, Kevin Barry wrote: I believe Lynn was expressing some kind of disbelief that someone would use a disk to install software. I chose to buy the disk myself as I still like having a disk around plus it was actually $10 cheaper to buy the software on disk as opposed to buying online. From krbarry at gmail.com Wed May 4 02:41:43 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Tue, 03 May 2011 21:41:43 -0400 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4dc0aed6.028de50a.17e1.1a6f@mx.google.com> A major downside to having a built-in screen reader in my opinion. A third party developer would be more flexible. At 09:31 PM 5/3/2011, you wrote: >Hi all > >This is just my own personal take on the Microsoft versus Apple >versus Adobe versus the VoiceOver user battle, but here it is for >whatever it's worth. > >Given the ongoing struggle between Microsoft, Apple, Adobe and >others, I doubt this "campaign" will have any effect in the short to >medium term, to be utterly honest. And besides, there are other >issues which come into play here, issues which are beyond Adobe and >Microsoft's control. Those being Apple's apparent unwillingness to >cooperate with its biggest rivals. > >I think that, for the foreseeable future, people will have to live >with the fact that only third-party utilities are going to provide >access to their Windows favourites and >documents. Consider: Microsoft Live Essentials for Mac is not >accessible. Neither is Microsoft Internet Explorer for Mac. In >fact, I am not aware of a single "Mactopia" application which is >accessible. Adobe's products such as Dreamweaver CS4, Adobe >Acrobat.com, Adobe Creator Suite are not accessible. Adobe PDF >Reader is only accessible in as much as it employs TTS. So I think >that the little voices in the wilderness which, sadly, is what we >are when it comes to the politics between the three giants of the >computing industry, will have a very long wait indeed before >unification arrives. > >Sorry if I sound skeptical but those are the facts, as I see them >and I personally am not going to waste my time trying to make these >groups see sense. But if you are one of those who is determined to >push this, the very best of luck to you. I would also urge you, >however, to contact Apple and urge them to make public some of the >APIs necessary to allow some developers to implement accessibility >into their products. > >Another good example of this lack of available APIs is the very >popular and, according to Lynne, excellent PDF Pen Pro 5 for >Mat. Put simply it's the best way to manipulate and create PDF >documents on the Mac OSX platform. Lynne uses it all the time as >part of her work because of its ease of use and is support for >full-blown secure PDF creation. But maddeningly, it isn't >accessible for the same reasons. Apple will not make public the >API's necessary to expose PDF documents to VoiceOver. > >I am not an authority on this subject, but I think that, when many >vendors and developers tell you the same story, and yes ... I have >made it my business to investigate this issue in some detail, it has >to have some grain of truth attached to it. > >As things are, the future is uncertain regarding quite a lot of the >apps which many of us already use. But I urge people to look at >third-party utilities such as Nisus Writer Pro and Express which has >been discussed on this list of late. I personally own a license to >it, but don't use it all that much. But there is no denying that it >provides excellent support for Microsoft Word documents. There are >also other applications such as Tables which, although not free, >provide excellent spreadsheet accessibility. > >Microsoft Office for Mac really isn't anything spectacular anyway, >according to the visually abled users I speak to regularly who have >tried it. In fact, all but one of them who I know have dumped it >totally in favour of other products. Tells me something at least, >it's a battle much akin to using a wet sponge as your opponent in a >boxing match. You'll expend a lot of energy and, though you'll >obviously benefit from the exercise, there won't be much else to >show for your efforts when the final bell rings. > >Gordon > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 4 03:00:21 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 03:00:21 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <4dc0aed6.028de50a.17e1.1a6f@mx.google.com> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <4dc0aed6.028de50a.17e1.1a6f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <22FC35B0-F751-422D-85E1-F73B5D728264@mac-access.net> Hello Kevin On 4 May 2011, at 02:41, Kevin Barry wrote: ? A major downside to having a built-in screen reader in my opinion. A third party developer would be more flexible. I think the "down side" is more than outweighed by the "plus points". But well; it's a forlorn battle to try and please everybody all of the time. Personally I think people should remember that Apple has, and is, making the accessibility industry change. They are investing huge resources into the development of VoiceOver on their mobile and desktop platforms and they are bringing main stream functionality to those who would otherwise be stuck with second rate and hugely expensive alternatives. But that's just my take as an interested observer. It saddens me though sometimes when I read the criticisms made of Apple by people who, for their own reasons, are determined to try and push people back into the old ways and the old days. I do not refer to people in this group; but their is one UK provider of computing software and services which is apparently mounting a very "anti-Apple" campaign for their own self-interested reasons. People like them will have to be dragged, kicking and screaming if necessary, into the 21st century. If they can't adapt, can't accept the fact that times are changing and the world of Window-Eyes, JFW and even Windows dominance is being radically altered, it's time they joined the pensioner's queue and made way for those willing to see things as they really are in the new world of accessibility. Which other main stream operating system, for instance, can a visually impaired person install, configure and use right out of the box? Which other hardware platform talks right out of the box? The recent discussion on this list about Fusion and installing the virtual machines should give some indication of this. Just my view for whatever it's worth. Lynne At 09:31 PM 5/3/2011, you wrote: > Hi all > > This is just my own personal take on the Microsoft versus Apple versus Adobe versus the VoiceOver user battle, but here it is for whatever it's worth. > > Given the ongoing struggle between Microsoft, Apple, Adobe and others, I doubt this "campaign" will have any effect in the short to medium term, to be utterly honest. And besides, there are other issues which come into play here, issues which are beyond Adobe and Microsoft's control. Those being Apple's apparent unwillingness to cooperate with its biggest rivals. > > I think that, for the foreseeable future, people will have to live with the fact that only third-party utilities are going to provide access to their Windows favourites and documents. Consider: Microsoft Live Essentials for Mac is not accessible. Neither is Microsoft Internet Explorer for Mac. In fact, I am not aware of a single "Mactopia" application which is accessible. Adobe's products such as Dreamweaver CS4, Adobe Acrobat.com, Adobe Creator Suite are not accessible. Adobe PDF Reader is only accessible in as much as it employs TTS. So I think that the little voices in the wilderness which, sadly, is what we are when it comes to the politics between the three giants of the computing industry, will have a very long wait indeed before unification arrives. > > Sorry if I sound skeptical but those are the facts, as I see them and I personally am not going to waste my time trying to make these groups see sense. But if you are one of those who is determined to push this, the very best of luck to you. I would also urge you, however, to contact Apple and urge them to make public some of the APIs necessary to allow some developers to implement accessibility into their products. > > Another good example of this lack of available APIs is the very popular and, according to Lynne, excellent PDF Pen Pro 5 for Mat. Put simply it's the best way to manipulate and create PDF documents on the Mac OSX platform. Lynne uses it all the time as part of her work because of its ease of use and is support for full-blown secure PDF creation. But maddeningly, it isn't accessible for the same reasons. Apple will not make public the API's necessary to expose PDF documents to VoiceOver. > > I am not an authority on this subject, but I think that, when many vendors and developers tell you the same story, and yes ... I have made it my business to investigate this issue in some detail, it has to have some grain of truth attached to it. > > As things are, the future is uncertain regarding quite a lot of the apps which many of us already use. But I urge people to look at third-party utilities such as Nisus Writer Pro and Express which has been discussed on this list of late. I personally own a license to it, but don't use it all that much. But there is no denying that it provides excellent support for Microsoft Word documents. There are also other applications such as Tables which, although not free, provide excellent spreadsheet accessibility. > > Microsoft Office for Mac really isn't anything spectacular anyway, according to the visually abled users I speak to regularly who have tried it. In fact, all but one of them who I know have dumped it totally in favour of other products. Tells me something at least, it's a battle much akin to using a wet sponge as your opponent in a boxing match. You'll expend a lot of energy and, though you'll obviously benefit from the exercise, there won't be much else to show for your efforts when the final bell rings. > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed May 4 03:35:19 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 12:35:19 +1000 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <22FC35B0-F751-422D-85E1-F73B5D728264@mac-access.net> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <4dc0aed6.028de50a.17e1.1a6f@mx.google.com> <22FC35B0-F751-422D-85E1-F73B5D728264@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4DC0BB67.5080109@internode.on.net> Thank Goodness we also have projects like NVDA which allow people to get accessibility with a Windows computer so Apple aren't the only one's investing money and time in this field and they're not the only company either who are changing the face of accessibility, far too much focus gets put on Apple sometimes, yes Apple deserve credit for what they've done but Apple aren't the only player. On 4/05/2011 12:00 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Kevin > > On 4 May 2011, at 02:41, Kevin Barry wrote: > > ? A major downside to having a built-in screen reader in my opinion. > A third party developer would be more flexible. > > I think the "down side" is more than outweighed by the "plus points". But well; it's a forlorn battle to try and please everybody all of the time. Personally I think people should remember that Apple has, and is, making the accessibility industry change. They are investing huge resources into the development of VoiceOver on their mobile and desktop platforms and they are bringing main stream functionality to those who would otherwise be stuck with second rate and hugely expensive alternatives. > > But that's just my take as an interested observer. It saddens me though sometimes when I read the criticisms made of Apple by people who, for their own reasons, are determined to try and push people back into the old ways and the old days. > > I do not refer to people in this group; but their is one UK provider of computing software and services which is apparently mounting a very "anti-Apple" campaign for their own self-interested reasons. > > People like them will have to be dragged, kicking and screaming if necessary, into the 21st century. If they can't adapt, can't accept the fact that times are changing and the world of Window-Eyes, JFW and even Windows dominance is being radically altered, it's time they joined the pensioner's queue and made way for those willing to see things as they really are in the new world of accessibility. > > Which other main stream operating system, for instance, can a visually impaired person install, configure and use right out of the box? Which other hardware platform talks right out of the box? The recent discussion on this list about Fusion and installing the virtual machines should give some indication of this. > > Just my view for whatever it's worth. > > Lynne > > At 09:31 PM 5/3/2011, you wrote: >> Hi all >> >> This is just my own personal take on the Microsoft versus Apple versus Adobe versus the VoiceOver user battle, but here it is for whatever it's worth. >> >> Given the ongoing struggle between Microsoft, Apple, Adobe and others, I doubt this "campaign" will have any effect in the short to medium term, to be utterly honest. And besides, there are other issues which come into play here, issues which are beyond Adobe and Microsoft's control. Those being Apple's apparent unwillingness to cooperate with its biggest rivals. >> >> I think that, for the foreseeable future, people will have to live with the fact that only third-party utilities are going to provide access to their Windows favourites and documents. Consider: Microsoft Live Essentials for Mac is not accessible. Neither is Microsoft Internet Explorer for Mac. In fact, I am not aware of a single "Mactopia" application which is accessible. Adobe's products such as Dreamweaver CS4, Adobe Acrobat.com, Adobe Creator Suite are not accessible. Adobe PDF Reader is only accessible in as much as it employs TTS. So I think that the little voices in the wilderness which, sadly, is what we are when it comes to the politics between the three giants of the computing industry, will have a very long wait indeed before unification arrives. >> >> Sorry if I sound skeptical but those are the facts, as I see them and I personally am not going to waste my time trying to make these groups see sense. But if you are one of those who is determined to push this, the very best of luck to you. I would also urge you, however, to contact Apple and urge them to make public some of the APIs necessary to allow some developers to implement accessibility into their products. >> >> Another good example of this lack of available APIs is the very popular and, according to Lynne, excellent PDF Pen Pro 5 for Mat. Put simply it's the best way to manipulate and create PDF documents on the Mac OSX platform. Lynne uses it all the time as part of her work because of its ease of use and is support for full-blown secure PDF creation. But maddeningly, it isn't accessible for the same reasons. Apple will not make public the API's necessary to expose PDF documents to VoiceOver. >> >> I am not an authority on this subject, but I think that, when many vendors and developers tell you the same story, and yes ... I have made it my business to investigate this issue in some detail, it has to have some grain of truth attached to it. >> >> As things are, the future is uncertain regarding quite a lot of the apps which many of us already use. But I urge people to look at third-party utilities such as Nisus Writer Pro and Express which has been discussed on this list of late. I personally own a license to it, but don't use it all that much. But there is no denying that it provides excellent support for Microsoft Word documents. There are also other applications such as Tables which, although not free, provide excellent spreadsheet accessibility. >> >> Microsoft Office for Mac really isn't anything spectacular anyway, according to the visually abled users I speak to regularly who have tried it. In fact, all but one of them who I know have dumped it totally in favour of other products. Tells me something at least, it's a battle much akin to using a wet sponge as your opponent in a boxing match. You'll expend a lot of energy and, though you'll obviously benefit from the exercise, there won't be much else to show for your efforts when the final bell rings. >> >> Gordon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From w9fyi at mac-access.net Wed May 4 03:43:06 2011 From: w9fyi at mac-access.net (Justin Mann) Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 19:43:06 -0700 Subject: Listening to BBC Radio 4 live on the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <97CC9DC7-809E-40CA-978E-5F0AB432F161@thejazzden.org.uk> Message-ID: You can use vlc and that works well. BBC wasting Brittish tax payer's dollars? We'll take it here in the U.S lol On Apr 29, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dennis > > On 29 Apr 2011, at 13:04, Dennis Freedman wrote: > > ? I tried listening to (well, you know what has been on all morning) from Safari on my IMac with no success. > > These Macs are sensible machines; why on earth would it want to let you listen to two scrounging good-for-nothings getting spliced? ;-) > > ? Off-topic I know but through Linux and MS Windows no problem. Pointers please - if the IPlayer doesn't work or isn't accessible, is there a 'playlist' that I can use, or an alternative way of hearing the live stream? > > Not if you want to listen to money-wasting, tax-payer-robbing business-unfriendly weddings, no. Long may they remain inaccessible. :) > > But seriously I gather several have had problems in this respect. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed May 4 03:47:24 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 12:47:24 +1000 Subject: Listening to BBC Radio 4 live on the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <97CC9DC7-809E-40CA-978E-5F0AB432F161@thejazzden.org.uk> Message-ID: <4DC0BE3C.6030809@internode.on.net> Yep, I have to admit that VLC is my favourite player for playing just about every type of media content one can dream up on the Mac. On 4/05/2011 12:43 PM, Justin Mann wrote: > You can use vlc and that works well. BBC wasting Brittish tax payer's dollars? We'll take it here in the U.S lol > On Apr 29, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Dennis >> >> On 29 Apr 2011, at 13:04, Dennis Freedman wrote: >> >> ? I tried listening to (well, you know what has been on all morning) from Safari on my IMac with no success. >> >> These Macs are sensible machines; why on earth would it want to let you listen to two scrounging good-for-nothings getting spliced? ;-) >> >> ? Off-topic I know but through Linux and MS Windows no problem. Pointers please - if the IPlayer doesn't work or isn't accessible, is there a 'playlist' that I can use, or an alternative way of hearing the live stream? >> >> Not if you want to listen to money-wasting, tax-payer-robbing business-unfriendly weddings, no. Long may they remain inaccessible. :) >> >> But seriously I gather several have had problems in this respect. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 4 03:57:56 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 03:57:56 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <4DC0BB67.5080109@internode.on.net> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <4dc0aed6.028de50a.17e1.1a6f@mx.google.com> <22FC35B0-F751-422D-85E1-F73B5D728264@mac-access.net> <4DC0BB67.5080109@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hello Dane This isn't a Windows group, so we're only concerned with Apple accessibility here. :) Lynne From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed May 4 04:03:36 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 13:03:36 +1000 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <4dc0aed6.028de50a.17e1.1a6f@mx.google.com> <22FC35B0-F751-422D-85E1-F73B5D728264@mac-access.net> <4DC0BB67.5080109@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4DC0C208.2010704@internode.on.net> Yep point taken but regardless of the religin Apple still aren't the only beeing in the universe . On 4/05/2011 12:57 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > This isn't a Windows group, so we're only concerned with Apple accessibility here. :) > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 4 05:15:30 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 05:15:30 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <4DC0C208.2010704@internode.on.net> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <4dc0aed6.028de50a.17e1.1a6f@mx.google.com> <22FC35B0-F751-422D-85E1-F73B5D728264@mac-access.net> <4DC0BB67.5080109@internode.on.net> <4DC0C208.2010704@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hello Dane On 4 May 2011, at 04:03, Dane Trethowan wrote: Yep point taken but regardless of the religin Apple still aren't the only beeing in the universe . I don't recall anybody suggesting they were. Lynne On 4/05/2011 12:57 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > This isn't a Windows group, so we're only concerned with Apple accessibility here. :) > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Wed May 4 08:29:02 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 08:29:02 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Sorry totally disagree, speaking of someone that used to use Microsoft on the Mac on a daily basis, I think it is an excellent product and even preferred it over the Windows version. Version 2011 brings complete compatibility with the Windows version too. I have it on good authority with the guys we are working with at Adobe (through work) that accessibility will be added to Adobe Acrobat an Flash for the Mac within the next 12 months. So guess it is not an Adobe vs Apple API issue there. Lion will have full preview support for Office 2011 content too. But I respect your opinion. Chris On 4 May 2011, at 02:31, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > This is just my own personal take on the Microsoft versus Apple versus Adobe versus the VoiceOver user battle, but here it is for whatever it's worth. > > Given the ongoing struggle between Microsoft, Apple, Adobe and others, I doubt this "campaign" will have any effect in the short to medium term, to be utterly honest. And besides, there are other issues which come into play here, issues which are beyond Adobe and Microsoft's control. Those being Apple's apparent unwillingness to cooperate with its biggest rivals. > > I think that, for the foreseeable future, people will have to live with the fact that only third-party utilities are going to provide access to their Windows favourites and documents. Consider: Microsoft Live Essentials for Mac is not accessible. Neither is Microsoft Internet Explorer for Mac. In fact, I am not aware of a single "Mactopia" application which is accessible. Adobe's products such as Dreamweaver CS4, Adobe Acrobat.com, Adobe Creator Suite are not accessible. Adobe PDF Reader is only accessible in as much as it employs TTS. So I think that the little voices in the wilderness which, sadly, is what we are when it comes to the politics between the three giants of the computing industry, will have a very long wait indeed before unification arrives. > > Sorry if I sound skeptical but those are the facts, as I see them and I personally am not going to waste my time trying to make these groups see sense. But if you are one of those who is determined to push this, the very best of luck to you. I would also urge you, however, to contact Apple and urge them to make public some of the APIs necessary to allow some developers to implement accessibility into their products. > > Another good example of this lack of available APIs is the very popular and, according to Lynne, excellent PDF Pen Pro 5 for Mat. Put simply it's the best way to manipulate and create PDF documents on the Mac OSX platform. Lynne uses it all the time as part of her work because of its ease of use and is support for full-blown secure PDF creation. But maddeningly, it isn't accessible for the same reasons. Apple will not make public the API's necessary to expose PDF documents to VoiceOver. > > I am not an authority on this subject, but I think that, when many vendors and developers tell you the same story, and yes ... I have made it my business to investigate this issue in some detail, it has to have some grain of truth attached to it. > > As things are, the future is uncertain regarding quite a lot of the apps which many of us already use. But I urge people to look at third-party utilities such as Nisus Writer Pro and Express which has been discussed on this list of late. I personally own a license to it, but don't use it all that much. But there is no denying that it provides excellent support for Microsoft Word documents. There are also other applications such as Tables which, although not free, provide excellent spreadsheet accessibility. > > Microsoft Office for Mac really isn't anything spectacular anyway, according to the visually abled users I speak to regularly who have tried it. In fact, all but one of them who I know have dumped it totally in favour of other products. Tells me something at least, it's a battle much akin to using a wet sponge as your opponent in a boxing match. You'll expend a lot of energy and, though you'll obviously benefit from the exercise, there won't be much else to show for your efforts when the final bell rings. > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krbarry at gmail.com Wed May 4 11:20:48 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 06:20:48 -0400 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <22FC35B0-F751-422D-85E1-F73B5D728264@mac-access.net> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <4dc0aed6.028de50a.17e1.1a6f@mx.google.com> <22FC35B0-F751-422D-85E1-F73B5D728264@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4dc1287f.9182e50a.54dd.249c@mx.google.com> I think you are a tad hypersensitive. I was not trying to run down Apple as you seem to imply; just pointing out a disadvantage which exists. Unfortunately, since my recent purchase of a Mac I've run into this attitude on the part of blind people all too often, which is that since Apple is doing so much they should never ever be criticised in any way. this is very wrong in my opinion. Not only does it make you look like a zelot but it does us a disservice insofar as how will things get better if no one points out the flaws that do exist. Personaly, I think mac is wonderful but it doesn't match the abilities of my Windows machine running Window-eyes. Now, I'm not trying to start some kind of war; but let's please be realistic. also, I am truly tired of being told I must forget all I know about using windows when using a Mac. Nobody would do this; sited or not. VO is a truly weird screen reader as far as the way it gets things done. It does get them done but sometimes I wonder where they came up with such keystrokes as control-option-command-shift-h for previous header. And, my IPad is scheduled to be delivered today and I cannot wait. Kevin At 10:00 PM 5/3/2011, you wrote: >Hello Kevin > >On 4 May 2011, at 02:41, Kevin Barry wrote: > >? A major downside to having a built-in screen reader in my opinion. >A third party developer would be more flexible. > >I think the "down side" is more than outweighed >by the "plus points". But well; it's a forlorn >battle to try and please everybody all of the >time. Personally I think people should remember >that Apple has, and is, making the accessibility >industry change. They are investing huge >resources into the development of VoiceOver on >their mobile and desktop platforms and they are >bringing main stream functionality to those who >would otherwise be stuck with second rate and hugely expensive alternatives. > >But that's just my take as an interested >observer. It saddens me though sometimes when I >read the criticisms made of Apple by people who, >for their own reasons, are determined to try and >push people back into the old ways and the old days. > >I do not refer to people in this group; but >their is one UK provider of computing software >and services which is apparently mounting a very >"anti-Apple" campaign for their own self-interested reasons. > >People like them will have to be dragged, >kicking and screaming if necessary, into the >21st century. If they can't adapt, can't accept >the fact that times are changing and the world >of Window-Eyes, JFW and even Windows dominance >is being radically altered, it's time they >joined the pensioner's queue and made way for >those willing to see things as they really are >in the new world of accessibility. > >Which other main stream operating system, for >instance, can a visually impaired person >install, configure and use right out of the box? >Which other hardware platform talks right out of >the box? The recent discussion on this list >about Fusion and installing the virtual machines >should give some indication of this. > >Just my view for whatever it's worth. > >Lynne > >At 09:31 PM 5/3/2011, you wrote: > > Hi all > > > > This is just my own personal take on the > Microsoft versus Apple versus Adobe versus the > VoiceOver user battle, but here it is for whatever it's worth. > > > > Given the ongoing struggle between Microsoft, > Apple, Adobe and others, I doubt this > "campaign" will have any effect in the short to > medium term, to be utterly honest. And > besides, there are other issues which come into > play here, issues which are beyond Adobe and > Microsoft's control. Those being Apple's > apparent unwillingness to cooperate with its biggest rivals. > > > > I think that, for the foreseeable future, > people will have to live with the fact that > only third-party utilities are going to provide > access to their Windows favourites and > documents. Consider: Microsoft Live > Essentials for Mac is not accessible. Neither > is Microsoft Internet Explorer for Mac. In > fact, I am not aware of a single "Mactopia" > application which is accessible. Adobe's > products such as Dreamweaver CS4, Adobe > Acrobat.com, Adobe Creator Suite are not > accessible. Adobe PDF Reader is only > accessible in as much as it employs TTS. So I > think that the little voices in the wilderness > which, sadly, is what we are when it comes to > the politics between the three giants of the > computing industry, will have a very long wait > indeed before unification arrives. > > > > Sorry if I sound skeptical but those are the > facts, as I see them and I personally am not > going to waste my time trying to make these > groups see sense. But if you are one of those > who is determined to push this, the very best > of luck to you. I would also urge you, > however, to contact Apple and urge them to make > public some of the APIs necessary to allow some > developers to implement accessibility into their products. > > > > Another good example of this lack of > available APIs is the very popular and, > according to Lynne, excellent PDF Pen Pro 5 for > Mat. Put simply it's the best way to > manipulate and create PDF documents on the Mac > OSX platform. Lynne uses it all the time as > part of her work because of its ease of use and > is support for full-blown secure PDF > creation. But maddeningly, it isn't accessible > for the same reasons. Apple will not make > public the API's necessary to expose PDF documents to VoiceOver. > > > > I am not an authority on this subject, but I > think that, when many vendors and developers > tell you the same story, and yes ... I have > made it my business to investigate this issue > in some detail, it has to have some grain of truth attached to it. > > > > As things are, the future is uncertain > regarding quite a lot of the apps which many of > us already use. But I urge people to look at > third-party utilities such as Nisus Writer Pro > and Express which has been discussed on this > list of late. I personally own a license to > it, but don't use it all that much. But there > is no denying that it provides excellent > support for Microsoft Word documents. There > are also other applications such as Tables > which, although not free, provide excellent spreadsheet accessibility. > > > > Microsoft Office for Mac really isn't > anything spectacular anyway, according to the > visually abled users I speak to regularly who > have tried it. In fact, all but one of them > who I know have dumped it totally in favour of > other products. Tells me something at least, > it's a battle much akin to using a wet sponge > as your opponent in a boxing match. You'll > expend a lot of energy and, though you'll > obviously benefit from the exercise, there > won't be much else to show for your efforts when the final bell rings. > > > > Gordon > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To reply to this post, please address your > message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of > all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed > malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership > options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your >message to mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all >messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed >malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership >options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your >message to mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all >messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed >malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership >options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Wed May 4 12:24:36 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 13:24:36 +0200 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <4dc1287f.9182e50a.54dd.249c@mx.google.com> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <4dc0aed6.028de50a.17e1.1a6f@mx.google.com> <22FC35B0-F751-422D-85E1-F73B5D728264@mac-access.net> <4dc1287f.9182e50a.54dd.249c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <05FC385C-5A78-4FE8-90F9-C87A6D48B75A@gmail.com> Hi Kevin, Of course Apple isn't perfect, and everyone makes mistakes. Mac OS X is far from Windows, and you shouldn't be controversial and expect it to behave similarly nor the screen reader to behave similarly. This is why the knowledge from Windows is pretty much useless, since most keystrokes are different. While they have advantages and disadvantages to each other, Also, what is their to be realistic about? As I see it, whatever realism you want us to "please be realistic about" is entirely subjective, and by saying that, I'd expect an argument. You're forgetting the few years VoiceOver has actually been integrated, and how far and good it has become despite the decade or more other screen readers have spent to get where they are today. That really isn't a lot further than VoiceOver. While some of them may be more stable and have more features, some of them are also stupidly bloated. Also, let's not talk about SMA upgrades that eventually will run you the price of a Mac. You save all of that money in the longrun, since you don't have to keep ensuring that you stay up-to-date just because you upgrade your operating system. Also, please don't try to use the word "nobody" just because you're seemingly not willing to drop your Windows shortcuts. Don't assume that any user, sighted or not, will prefer Windows if they have used this particular operating system before Mac OS X. In this case, you're appearing the zealot here. Whether Windows is superior or not is again subjective, and just because Windows dominates doesn't mean superiority. Mac OS X has many of the same features that WIndows contains, and can integrate similarly into work environments. Let's not talk about market share, because that's not even important. When you're talking about applications that don't work, particularly Adobe and Microsoft, it sounds like you have some serious catching up to do. Adobe said earlier last year that it would take a while to make their products accessible, but that they would take care of it. As far as I know, Microsoft has not even taken up the challenge because they simply don't care. Let me lay one thing down for you, and I'm surprised you don't know this. The tools are there. Incorporate them, Microsoft and Adobe. That's all you have to do. These companies tend to use custom controls, which for good reason are not accessible. Even on Windows, Flash is far from perfect, and you even need to script the tab key for god's sake. You can actually break this, and very easily, completely breaking the screen reader's ability to actually use a keystroke, even a standard one not made available by the software. That's right. Unknown function called to "whatever the control is labeled." Now, if that's not a disadvantage, I don't know what is. Also, another huge disadvantage with any screen reader is that they often make use of virtual buffers whereas VoiceOver does not. VoiceOver is capable of reading the webpage while it is actually in the process of loading, which actually speeds things up. It also allows you to actually use more shortcuts, as these keystrokes are not tied to the environment. For example, you can use any shortcut within VoiceOver within any application. Whether it is HTML or not, they still work, whereas Windows screen readers depend on a particular environment, including scripts and video hooks. While scripts can provide an advantage, they're mere hand-holders. If a developer has to sit down and load every screen reader to ensure it is accessible how can that even be an advantage? Most access technologies will probably work with one particular design out of the box, but there is always an exception. This is the even more ridiculous part. On mac OS X, a developer hardly has to worry about access when using Cocoa. Not only are their guidelines, but Cocoa actually incorporates the accessibility features into the controls when creating them. Of course, this requires that you adhere to standard controls, but there is no reason that this is impossible to abide by. If you want to talk about who and who doesn't govern the access of an application, catch up and read up on the various ways to deploy an application under Mac OS X. I'm sure that will give you some insight as to why these products do not work. Apple can't forcibly make these products accessible, as it is not an Apple product. As I already said, the tools are there but it is the developer's choice to follow or dismiss them. If they don't follow and use the preferred tools, don't complain and blame the company of the operating system, just because you don't understand the technical difficulties. This is not directed at you specifically, but also in general. It gets tiring listening to people bitch about a product that isn't accessible before they even understand why that is, or know anything about it. Your comments about PDF Pen and publicly available APIs clearly show your lack of understanding from the developer side, and how much you are not aware of. yes, I called you out because it's necessary. While status icons cannot be available, there is usually always an alternative or you can just learn how to use the mouse as VoiceOver actually allows this. I also want to add that it works very well. If you can't figure out how to use it, the fact that VoiceOver is on every Mac mostly means that a developer cares enough to try it and revamp the design. Some developers do not, as some developers don't care, but you can't possibly tell me that on Windows developers want to download screen readers which handle accessibility differently and try every one of them. Again, I'll repeat myself. If you want to use Mac OS X, learn to use Mac OS X. Don't start saying that another system is superior before you know whether or not that's true based on what you need. Explore the various different products that actually cover the needs of Microsoft and Adobe products, and stop pushing your Windows-ness on me, because I don't want to hear it. It gets kind of boring. Anyway, that's it. I'm not going to apologize for being harsh, because this is what it is. Regards, Nic On May 4, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Kevin Barry wrote: > I think you are a tad hypersensitive. > I was not trying to run down Apple as you seem to imply; just pointing out a disadvantage which exists. > Unfortunately, since my recent purchase of a Mac I've run into this attitude on the part of blind people all too often, which is that since Apple is doing so much they should never ever be criticised in any way. > this is very wrong in my opinion. Not only does it make you look like a zelot but it does us a disservice insofar as how will things get better if no one points out the flaws that do exist. > Personaly, I think mac is wonderful but it doesn't match the abilities of my Windows machine running Window-eyes. > Now, I'm not trying to start some kind of war; but let's please be realistic. > also, I am truly tired of being told I must forget all I know about using windows when using a Mac. > Nobody would do this; sited or not. > VO is a truly weird screen reader as far as the way it gets things done. > It does get them done but sometimes I wonder where they came up with such keystrokes as control-option-command-shift-h for previous header. > And, my IPad is scheduled to be delivered today and I cannot wait. > Kevin > > At 10:00 PM 5/3/2011, you wrote: >> Hello Kevin >> >> On 4 May 2011, at 02:41, Kevin Barry wrote: >> >> ? A major downside to having a built-in screen reader in my opinion. >> A third party developer would be more flexible. >> >> I think the "down side" is more than outweighed by the "plus points". But well; it's a forlorn battle to try and please everybody all of the time. Personally I think people should remember that Apple has, and is, making the accessibility industry change. They are investing huge resources into the development of VoiceOver on their mobile and desktop platforms and they are bringing main stream functionality to those who would otherwise be stuck with second rate and hugely expensive alternatives. >> >> But that's just my take as an interested observer. It saddens me though sometimes when I read the criticisms made of Apple by people who, for their own reasons, are determined to try and push people back into the old ways and the old days. >> >> I do not refer to people in this group; but their is one UK provider of computing software and services which is apparently mounting a very "anti-Apple" campaign for their own self-interested reasons. >> >> People like them will have to be dragged, kicking and screaming if necessary, into the 21st century. If they can't adapt, can't accept the fact that times are changing and the world of Window-Eyes, JFW and even Windows dominance is being radically altered, it's time they joined the pensioner's queue and made way for those willing to see things as they really are in the new world of accessibility. >> >> Which other main stream operating system, for instance, can a visually impaired person install, configure and use right out of the box? Which other hardware platform talks right out of the box? The recent discussion on this list about Fusion and installing the virtual machines should give some indication of this. >> >> Just my view for whatever it's worth. >> >> Lynne >> >> At 09:31 PM 5/3/2011, you wrote: >> > Hi all >> > >> > This is just my own personal take on the Microsoft versus Apple versus Adobe versus the VoiceOver user battle, but here it is for whatever it's worth. >> > >> > Given the ongoing struggle between Microsoft, Apple, Adobe and others, I doubt this "campaign" will have any effect in the short to medium term, to be utterly honest. And besides, there are other issues which come into play here, issues which are beyond Adobe and Microsoft's control. Those being Apple's apparent unwillingness to cooperate with its biggest rivals. >> > >> > I think that, for the foreseeable future, people will have to live with the fact that only third-party utilities are going to provide access to their Windows favourites and documents. Consider: Microsoft Live Essentials for Mac is not accessible. Neither is Microsoft Internet Explorer for Mac. In fact, I am not aware of a single "Mactopia" application which is accessible. Adobe's products such as Dreamweaver CS4, Adobe Acrobat.com, Adobe Creator Suite are not accessible. Adobe PDF Reader is only accessible in as much as it employs TTS. So I think that the little voices in the wilderness which, sadly, is what we are when it comes to the politics between the three giants of the computing industry, will have a very long wait indeed before unification arrives. >> > >> > Sorry if I sound skeptical but those are the facts, as I see them and I personally am not going to waste my time trying to make these groups see sense. But if you are one of those who is determined to push this, the very best of luck to you. I would also urge you, however, to contact Apple and urge them to make public some of the APIs necessary to allow some developers to implement accessibility into their products. >> > >> > Another good example of this lack of available APIs is the very popular and, according to Lynne, excellent PDF Pen Pro 5 for Mat. Put simply it's the best way to manipulate and create PDF documents on the Mac OSX platform. Lynne uses it all the time as part of her work because of its ease of use and is support for full-blown secure PDF creation. But maddeningly, it isn't accessible for the same reasons. Apple will not make public the API's necessary to expose PDF documents to VoiceOver. >> > >> > I am not an authority on this subject, but I think that, when many vendors and developers tell you the same story, and yes ... I have made it my business to investigate this issue in some detail, it has to have some grain of truth attached to it. >> > >> > As things are, the future is uncertain regarding quite a lot of the apps which many of us already use. But I urge people to look at third-party utilities such as Nisus Writer Pro and Express which has been discussed on this list of late. I personally own a license to it, but don't use it all that much. But there is no denying that it provides excellent support for Microsoft Word documents. There are also other applications such as Tables which, although not free, provide excellent spreadsheet accessibility. >> > >> > Microsoft Office for Mac really isn't anything spectacular anyway, according to the visually abled users I speak to regularly who have tried it. In fact, all but one of them who I know have dumped it totally in favour of other products. Tells me something at least, it's a battle much akin to using a wet sponge as your opponent in a boxing match. You'll expend a lot of energy and, though you'll obviously benefit from the exercise, there won't be much else to show for your efforts when the final bell rings. >> > >> > Gordon >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> > >> > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> > >> > >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> > >> > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From smur7241 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 4 12:30:44 2011 From: smur7241 at bigpond.net.au (Sean Murphy) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 21:30:44 +1000 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk><1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net><4dc0aed6.028de50a.17e1.1a6f@mx.google.com> <22FC35B0-F751-422D-85E1-F73B5D728264@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi, FYI and listers. Linux works straight out of the box. You can use their Gnome desktop and Shell with Speakup. Of course, there are issues in this world as well. Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: Re: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac Hello Kevin On 4 May 2011, at 02:41, Kevin Barry wrote: ? A major downside to having a built-in screen reader in my opinion. A third party developer would be more flexible. I think the "down side" is more than outweighed by the "plus points". But well; it's a forlorn battle to try and please everybody all of the time. Personally I think people should remember that Apple has, and is, making the accessibility industry change. They are investing huge resources into the development of VoiceOver on their mobile and desktop platforms and they are bringing main stream functionality to those who would otherwise be stuck with second rate and hugely expensive alternatives. But that's just my take as an interested observer. It saddens me though sometimes when I read the criticisms made of Apple by people who, for their own reasons, are determined to try and push people back into the old ways and the old days. I do not refer to people in this group; but their is one UK provider of computing software and services which is apparently mounting a very "anti-Apple" campaign for their own self-interested reasons. People like them will have to be dragged, kicking and screaming if necessary, into the 21st century. If they can't adapt, can't accept the fact that times are changing and the world of Window-Eyes, JFW and even Windows dominance is being radically altered, it's time they joined the pensioner's queue and made way for those willing to see things as they really are in the new world of accessibility. Which other main stream operating system, for instance, can a visually impaired person install, configure and use right out of the box? Which other hardware platform talks right out of the box? The recent discussion on this list about Fusion and installing the virtual machines should give some indication of this. Just my view for whatever it's worth. Lynne At 09:31 PM 5/3/2011, you wrote: > Hi all > > This is just my own personal take on the Microsoft versus Apple versus > Adobe versus the VoiceOver user battle, but here it is for whatever it's > worth. > > Given the ongoing struggle between Microsoft, Apple, Adobe and others, I > doubt this "campaign" will have any effect in the short to medium term, to > be utterly honest. And besides, there are other issues which come into > play here, issues which are beyond Adobe and Microsoft's control. Those > being Apple's apparent unwillingness to cooperate with its biggest rivals. > > I think that, for the foreseeable future, people will have to live with > the fact that only third-party utilities are going to provide access to > their Windows favourites and documents. Consider: Microsoft Live > Essentials for Mac is not accessible. Neither is Microsoft Internet > Explorer for Mac. In fact, I am not aware of a single "Mactopia" > application which is accessible. Adobe's products such as Dreamweaver > CS4, Adobe Acrobat.com, Adobe Creator Suite are not accessible. Adobe PDF > Reader is only accessible in as much as it employs TTS. So I think that > the little voices in the wilderness which, sadly, is what we are when it > comes to the politics between the three giants of the computing industry, > will have a very long wait indeed before unification arrives. > > Sorry if I sound skeptical but those are the facts, as I see them and I > personally am not going to waste my time trying to make these groups see > sense. But if you are one of those who is determined to push this, the > very best of luck to you. I would also urge you, however, to contact > Apple and urge them to make public some of the APIs necessary to allow > some developers to implement accessibility into their products. > > Another good example of this lack of available APIs is the very popular > and, according to Lynne, excellent PDF Pen Pro 5 for Mat. Put simply it's > the best way to manipulate and create PDF documents on the Mac OSX > platform. Lynne uses it all the time as part of her work because of its > ease of use and is support for full-blown secure PDF creation. But > maddeningly, it isn't accessible for the same reasons. Apple will not > make public the API's necessary to expose PDF documents to VoiceOver. > > I am not an authority on this subject, but I think that, when many vendors > and developers tell you the same story, and yes ... I have made it my > business to investigate this issue in some detail, it has to have some > grain of truth attached to it. > > As things are, the future is uncertain regarding quite a lot of the apps > which many of us already use. But I urge people to look at third-party > utilities such as Nisus Writer Pro and Express which has been discussed on > this list of late. I personally own a license to it, but don't use it all > that much. But there is no denying that it provides excellent support for > Microsoft Word documents. There are also other applications such as > Tables which, although not free, provide excellent spreadsheet > accessibility. > > Microsoft Office for Mac really isn't anything spectacular anyway, > according to the visually abled users I speak to regularly who have tried > it. In fact, all but one of them who I know have dumped it totally in > favour of other products. Tells me something at least, it's a battle much > akin to using a wet sponge as your opponent in a boxing match. You'll > expend a lot of energy and, though you'll obviously benefit from the > exercise, there won't be much else to show for your efforts when the final > bell rings. > > Gordon > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From smur7241 at bigpond.net.au Wed May 4 12:56:17 2011 From: smur7241 at bigpond.net.au (Sean Murphy) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 21:56:17 +1000 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <7695FCF19AF442248D804815C0E51FFE@seans> Gordon, If apple are not exposing all UI's to developers to make their products accessible. Then This is a double standing. If a company needs to use those API's to make their product accessible and apple is restricting it. Then the fault lays with Apple. If Apple has exposed the API's, then the fault lays with the company who doesn't use them. Regardless of how much any company has done to improve and change the landscape of Accessibility. If there is areas of improvement, they should be brought up to make their product even better. Other companies should take the leaf out of apple and I will also include IBM in relation to Accessibility. Apple has done a major change in the last 5 years and this will eventually over time effect other companies who do not provide the same standard. I wonder if NFB will do another class action against Microsoft? Grin. I will defend the Screen reading companies on the Windows Platform. these companies have done a lot of excellent work to get their products to the level they currently are with extremely difficult environment to work in. My Beleif is Microsoft is not serious about Accessibility. Look at their so call bilt-in screen reader to settle an class action. so if major companies start dropping Windows based a We cannot forget the almighty dollar (pound). At the end of the day, this is what makes business decissions. Sean From sadamahmed1992 at gmail.com Wed May 4 13:27:06 2011 From: sadamahmed1992 at gmail.com (sadam ahmed) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 22:27:06 +1000 Subject: how to remove items from the doc Message-ID: <8B3BA73E-8392-4F08-8BE6-F258646DD568@gmail.com> HI all i was just wondering how to remove unwanted items from the doc regards, sadam. From sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk Wed May 4 13:45:05 2011 From: sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk (Sunil Peck) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 13:45:05 +0100 Subject: Amadeus Pro - playing file from point specified in go to location Message-ID: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02C8DFE53E70@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Hi, Apologies for the long subject line. I'm working with files which are a couple of hours long and thanks to the excellent tutorials up on Blindcooltech I'm aware that you can speed up the process of getting to a specified point in a file by using the up arrow to speed up playback. I hoped I could use the go to location option to key in a time like 45 minutes for instance, to avoid having to scroll 45 minutes worth of audio. But when I do that and press the spacebar to playback, the audio starts playing from the beginning of the file. I've tried doing cmd+y before space to see if that might work, but it didn't. Is it possible to use the go to location option in this way and if so, I'd be grateful for any settings it might be worth checking or changing in preferences. Thanks a lot. Sunil ________________________________ Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by guarantee (number 520866). Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. Our VAT number is 805156939. 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From lavendar at bell.net Wed May 4 14:31:41 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 09:31:41 -0400 Subject: antivirus for the mac, link Nick provided.. In-Reply-To: References: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> <20110503032852.77E6.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Message-ID: Not worried, just not wearing rose coloured glasses. Plenty of common sense over here as well. Both sites provided have been bookmarked for the time being(smile) Cait On May 3, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > lol. I'm not putting an anti virus thing on my mac. I have my time machine back ups and I use common sense so so far I'm fine, but I might eat my words years down the road. I'm glad there are options for those of us who are worried. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 3, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > >> >> >> Thanks! I don't mind paying for something if it works, and is accessible. >> >> Caitlyn >> What do people think of this product and is it easy to use? >> On May 3, 2011, at 3:34 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> Actually, that link is broken, but you can find Cyber Security here: >>> http://www.eset.com/home/products/cybersecurity/ >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Den May 3, 2011 kl. 9:28 AM skrev Chris G: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> People might want to check out cyber security from eset, the makers of >>>> nod32 for windows. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com/mac >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, 2 May 2011 13:38:08 -0700 >>>> Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>> >>>>> New Mac Trojan horse masquerades as virus scanner >>>>> >>>>> A new Trojan horse aimed at Macs purports to be virus-scanning software with aim of parting users from their credit card information. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://bit.ly/lsXWhE >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. >>>> http://www.mysticplace.info >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lavendar at bell.net Wed May 4 14:41:35 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 09:41:35 -0400 Subject: antivirus for the mac, link Nick provided.. In-Reply-To: <007B8692-D196-4E28-B57D-C3C88F6A70F2@mac-access.net> References: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> <20110503032852.77E6.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <007B8692-D196-4E28-B57D-C3C88F6A70F2@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Lynn, thanks for this hint. what would be a better choice, if we decided to use anything-the protect mac thing that was suggested, or something else? I don't want overkill, and we don't go to suspicious type places, do dumb things with email, etc, anyway. what we do do is use send space a lot to share movies with people(some of you probably know about this). Thanks for any advice, Cait On May 3, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Cait > > On 3 May 2011, at 18:13, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > > Thanks! I don't mind paying for something if it works, and is accessable. > > Eset is a bit of a joke for the Mac. They miss most of the security threats anyway. > > We are trying to figure out how to uninstall the dar n thing as it is a system resource hogger. > > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lavendar at bell.net Wed May 4 14:49:08 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 09:49:08 -0400 Subject: VM Ware fusion, installing VM tools, stuck, In-Reply-To: <4dc07d6a.9c4de50a.56dc.1386@mx.google.com> References: <4dbd8788.1463dc0a.603a.2dd4@mx.google.com> <7347CCEC-E5D7-4B3D-98A2-E7C4E4E2D6DD@mac-access.net> <8880EF83-E602-476E-8656-796DD098A66A@mac-access.net> <4dc07d6a.9c4de50a.56dc.1386@mx.google.com> Message-ID: *smile* Yep, I bought the program when I got my i mac from apple, so I actually have the installation disk. Truely, I am so tired of fiddleing with this dumb fusion thing! I thought this was supposed to be so easy! Actually, it was up until this point. No, wait, finding the stupid key code for fusion itself was a bit of bear! I had to get my sighted 83 year old neighbor to come over and read barely legible print to me and type it in and vo didn't read it back, which was weird(don't know whether that's a bug or not). After that it was easy. Cait On May 3, 2011, at 6:10 PM, Kevin Barry wrote: > I believe Lynn was expressing some kind of disbelief that someone would use a disk to install software. > I chose to buy the disk myself as I still like having a disk around plus it was actually $10 cheaper to buy the software on disk as opposed to buying online. > > At 01:17 PM 5/3/2011, you wrote: >> Oh, sorry, the install disk for vm fusion. >> >> Caitlyn >> >> On May 3, 2011, at 6:50 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >> > Hello Cait >> > >> > On 2 May 2011, at 18:13, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> > >> > ? Ok, so you have to do this with the fusion dvd in the slot, then? Will it let you know when the tools are installed? I noticed the other day that my virtual machine says "test machine" Maybe this is part of my problems getting this thing to run... >> > >> > Fusion DVD? I'm confused; what Fusion DVD? >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> > >> > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> > >> > >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> > >> > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lavendar at bell.net Wed May 4 14:56:11 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 09:56:11 -0400 Subject: how to remove items from the doc In-Reply-To: <8B3BA73E-8392-4F08-8BE6-F258646DD568@gmail.com> References: <8B3BA73E-8392-4F08-8BE6-F258646DD568@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Highlight the item you want to remove(go there vo keys, but don't open it), then use vo shift m to open the context menu. In this menu, there is a choice to remove the item from the dock. hth, Caitlyn On May 4, 2011, at 8:27 AM, sadam ahmed wrote: > HI all i was just wondering how to remove unwanted items from the doc regards, sadam. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 4 14:56:39 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 14:56:39 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <4dc1287f.9182e50a.54dd.249c@mx.google.com> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <4dc0aed6.028de50a.17e1.1a6f@mx.google.com> <22FC35B0-F751-422D-85E1-F73B5D728264@mac-access.net> <4dc1287f.9182e50a.54dd.249c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7FE0F959-AA80-4C71-8F81-A15ADE5814D1@mac-access.net> Hello Kevin Please don't take this personally Kevin; but I'm afraid you've totally misinterpreted my message. No I most definitely don't want to get into the "My Toy's Better Than Your Toy" argument. And, by the way, I am not blind. I have no bias, no prejudice and no problem with other people expressing the contrary view points. I would completely agree with you that not everything is possible on the mac and I'm definitely not in any way sensitive Kevin. This is not an attitude thing as far as I'm concerned. We're talking about Computers and it's a very personal choice as to which one you prefer to use. I repeat; I am not blind. This is definitely not an "attitude" issue. I simply speak as I find. I am just the wife of a blind person who happens to be an Apple fan and I share his opinions although we both recognise totally that there are aspects of Apple's OS which are frustrating at times. With all due respect, you call VoiceOver a "Weird" screen-reader. I submit that many people have successfully used VoiceOver over a very long time and in a lot of cases it is their primary accessibility tool. I think "weird" is a personal definition which many people wouldn't share with you. All that having been said I think it would be a big mistake to say that Apple = perfection. There are many problems with the OSX environment for a blind person. For instance the inability to access third-party applications whose icons reside on the menu bar. Such applications are becoming more and more common place and Apple's refusal to release the API necessary to fix this problem is strange. So, once again Kevin, I'm sorry but you read this message totally wrongly. You state that your Mac experience cannot match that of your Windows one. If you think you get better performance, productivity or whatever from your Windows based systems, then fine; happy computing. :) Lynne On 4 May 2011, at 11:20, Kevin Barry wrote: I think you are a tad hypersensitive. I was not trying to run down Apple as you seem to imply; just pointing out a disadvantage which exists. Unfortunately, since my recent purchase of a Mac I've run into this attitude on the part of blind people all too often, which is that since Apple is doing so much they should never ever be criticised in any way. this is very wrong in my opinion. Not only does it make you look like a zelot but it does us a disservice insofar as how will things get better if no one points out the flaws that do exist. Personaly, I think mac is wonderful but it doesn't match the abilities of my Windows machine running Window-eyes. Now, I'm not trying to start some kind of war; but let's please be realistic. also, I am truly tired of being told I must forget all I know about using windows when using a Mac. Nobody would do this; sited or not. VO is a truly weird screen reader as far as the way it gets things done. It does get them done but sometimes I wonder where they came up with such keystrokes as control-option-command-shift-h for previous header. And, my IPad is scheduled to be delivered today and I cannot wait. From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 4 15:02:06 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 15:02:06 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk><1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net><4dc0aed6.028de50a.17e1.1a6f@mx.google.com> <22FC35B0-F751-422D-85E1-F73B5D728264@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <556C0FE0-138C-48ED-BD05-F0D306EC7E9F@mac-access.net> Hello Sean On 4 May 2011, at 12:30, Sean Murphy wrote: ? Linux works straight out of the box. You can use their Gnome desktop and Shell with Speakup. Of course, there are issues in this world as well. Not always. But I was referring to main stream operating systems. As I understand it, the ability to get speech during install can vary depending upon the hardware. But I don't want to go too far on this one because this is an Apple list, not a LINUX or Windows one. But my point, Sean, is that OSX and Apple's hardware together do work right out of the box. Lynne From gordon at mac-access.net Wed May 4 15:26:53 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 15:26:53 +0100 Subject: Apple's Accessibility Standards In-Reply-To: <7695FCF19AF442248D804815C0E51FFE@seans> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <7695FCF19AF442248D804815C0E51FFE@seans> Message-ID: Hi Sean I agree totally that Apple should be exposing this data to developers. i also agree that it smacks of double standards. Hopefully this will change in the near future. Gordon On 4 May 2011, at 12:56, Sean Murphy wrote: Gordon, If apple are not exposing all UI's to developers to make their products accessible. Then This is a double standing. If a company needs to use those API's to make their product accessible and apple is restricting it. Then the fault lays with Apple. If Apple has exposed the API's, then the fault lays with the company who doesn't use them. Regardless of how much any company has done to improve and change the landscape of Accessibility. If there is areas of improvement, they should be brought up to make their product even better. Other companies should take the leaf out of apple and I will also include IBM in relation to Accessibility. Apple has done a major change in the last 5 years and this will eventually over time effect other companies who do not provide the same standard. I wonder if NFB will do another class action against Microsoft? Grin. I will defend the Screen reading companies on the Windows Platform. these companies have done a lot of excellent work to get their products to the level they currently are with extremely difficult environment to work in. My Beleif is Microsoft is not serious about Accessibility. Look at their so call bilt-in screen reader to settle an class action. so if major companies start dropping Windows based a We cannot forget the almighty dollar (pound). At the end of the day, this is what makes business decissions. From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 4 15:30:16 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 15:30:16 +0100 Subject: Mac Security In-Reply-To: References: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> <20110503032852.77E6.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <007B8692-D196-4E28-B57D-C3C88F6A70F2@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <73CC2748-B638-4D7B-BE6A-B26392DFAD6A@mac-access.net> Hello Cait On 4 May 2011, at 14:41, Caitlyn Furness wrote: thanks for this hint. what would be a better choice, if we decided to use anything-the protect mac thing that was suggested, or something else? I don't want overkill, and we don't go to suspicious type places, do dumb things with email, etc, anyway. what we do do is use send space a lot to share movies with people(some of you probably know about this). If you want to keep your Mac free of spyware, I suggest MacScan 2.8 which you can find at . From roger.firman at btinternet.com Wed May 4 15:37:01 2011 From: roger.firman at btinternet.com (Roger Firman) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 15:37:01 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <7FE0F959-AA80-4C71-8F81-A15ADE5814D1@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello, I wonder if some of the issues arising which lead to us having a preference for one particular computer and operating system can be brought about by how we came into the world of computers. This may also be a factor with specific computer packages and so many other related matters. Clearly there is no %100 perfect solution, I suspect we are very different as individuals and our requirements are similarly different too. If we are able to find a good solution for how we use computers and software regardless of make, then good. If any of the above is found helpful, good. Our point of view depends upon our viewing point. Regards, Roger. From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 4 15:39:43 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 15:39:43 +0100 Subject: VM Ware fusion, installing VM tools, stuck, In-Reply-To: References: <4dbd8788.1463dc0a.603a.2dd4@mx.google.com> <7347CCEC-E5D7-4B3D-98A2-E7C4E4E2D6DD@mac-access.net> <8880EF83-E602-476E-8656-796DD098A66A@mac-access.net> <4dc07d6a.9c4de50a.56dc.1386@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello Cait On 4 May 2011, at 14:49, Caitlyn Furness wrote: ? *smile* Yep, I bought the program when I got my i mac from apple, so I actually have the installation disk. Truely, I am so tired of fiddleing with this dumb fusion thing! I thought this was supposed to be so easy! Actually, it was up until this point. No, wait, finding the stupid key code for fusion itself was a bit of bear! I had to get my sighted 83 year old neighbor to come over and read barely legible print to me and type it in and vo didn't read it back, which was weird(don't know whether that's a bug or not). After that it was easy. Firstly, Kevin had me totally wrong again I'm afraid. :) I just never knew that Fusion was available on DVD so you live and learn. It's also quite common for companies to garble the printed labels which contain product keys and other user-specific data. For instance, that horrible image verification technology. I've seen it used many times and often the "print" looks like it's been scribbled on a sheet of paper by a five-year-old. No, sorry; that's an insult to a five-year-old. I've actually seen better samples of handwriting from a child of that age. Anyway there we are, I guess that's just one advantage of buying online; data is more clearly written. :) Lynne From ian456 at me.com Wed May 4 15:49:57 2011 From: ian456 at me.com (Ian Robinson) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 15:49:57 +0100 Subject: Mac Security In-Reply-To: <73CC2748-B638-4D7B-BE6A-B26392DFAD6A@mac-access.net> References: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> <20110503032852.77E6.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <007B8692-D196-4E28-B57D-C3C88F6A70F2@mac-access.net> <73CC2748-B638-4D7B-BE6A-B26392DFAD6A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Caitlyn, Another anti virus option is Sophos, available free from: http://www.sophos.com/en-us/products/free-tools.aspx Regards. Ian On 4 May 2011, at 15:30, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Cait > > On 4 May 2011, at 14:41, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > > thanks for this hint. what would be a better choice, if we decided to use anything-the protect mac thing that was suggested, or something else? I don't want overkill, and we don't go to suspicious type places, do dumb things with email, etc, anyway. what we do do is use send space a lot to share movies with people(some of you probably know about this). > > If you want to keep your Mac free of spyware, I suggest MacScan 2.8 which you can find at . > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From sadamahmed1992 at gmail.com Wed May 4 15:00:07 2011 From: sadamahmed1992 at gmail.com (sadam ahmed) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 00:00:07 +1000 Subject: how to remove items from the doc In-Reply-To: References: <8B3BA73E-8392-4F08-8BE6-F258646DD568@gmail.com> Message-ID: <71150E52-DA66-4160-B6D9-AD5B4438196D@gmail.com> cheers On 04/05/2011, at 11:56 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Hi, > > Highlight the item you want to remove(go there vo keys, but don't open it), then use vo shift m to open the context menu. In this menu, there is a choice to remove the item from the dock. > > hth, > Caitlyn > > On May 4, 2011, at 8:27 AM, sadam ahmed wrote: > >> HI all i was just wondering how to remove unwanted items from the doc regards, sadam. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From edworrell at bresnan.net Wed May 4 17:25:06 2011 From: edworrell at bresnan.net (Ed Worrell) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 10:25:06 -0600 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <05FC385C-5A78-4FE8-90F9-C87A6D48B75A@gmail.com> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <4dc0aed6.028de50a.17e1.1a6f@mx.google.com> <22FC35B0-F751-422D-85E1-F73B5D728264@mac-access.net> <4dc1287f.9182e50a.54dd.249c@mx.google.com> <05FC385C-5A78-4FE8-90F9-C87A6D48B75A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you Nick, I agree with you completely. I am tired of windows users saying that the windows platform is more accessible then mac os. I switched from windows xp, and I am glad I did. I will admit I had a hacked version of Jaws but even so it was a tweeky piece of garbage, I only found the hacked version of the software because I tried the demo of it and didn't think it was worth the price tag. Apple has done a lot in the few years it has been around, and the blind world needs to recognice this. Just because it is a different way of doing things doesn't mean its wrong. My dad is a certified Microsoft programer he was sad to see me by a Mac, but he understood because as he said "microsoft doesn't give a damn about accessibility." ED From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Wed May 4 17:50:06 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:50:06 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <4dc1287f.9182e50a.54dd.249c@mx.google.com> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <4dc0aed6.028de50a.17e1.1a6f@mx.google.com> <22FC35B0-F751-422D-85E1-F73B5D728264@mac-access.net> <4dc1287f.9182e50a.54dd.249c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <46ADAEE0-09E8-4286-AF41-A56FD5F597B7@blueyonder.co.uk> Kevin, Like you I just want something that gets the job done and something I enjoy using too. Overall that is the Mac, but I can see things that Windows and other screen readers do better in certain areas. I also agree about the keyboard shortcuts that VO uses when running Safari. I have asked Apple to improve things here. I can appreciate that VO keyboard shortcuts don't conflict with OS specific ones, but come on, 4 keys to go back a heading lol. I also would like to be able to hit F for a form field as that tends to be the search box on most websites and I would like to have the ability to press B for the next button too. But it is not the end of the world, as I love using the rota and item chooser and mis them when I am using JAWS. I have never used WindowEyes, so can't comment on that reader. I have only used JAWS 12 and 7, NVDA and System Access. on the Windows platform. Chris On 4 May 2011, at 11:20, Kevin Barry wrote: > I think you are a tad hypersensitive. > I was not trying to run down Apple as you seem to imply; just pointing out a disadvantage which exists. > Unfortunately, since my recent purchase of a Mac I've run into this attitude on the part of blind people all too often, which is that since Apple is doing so much they should never ever be criticised in any way. > this is very wrong in my opinion. Not only does it make you look like a zelot but it does us a disservice insofar as how will things get better if no one points out the flaws that do exist. > Personaly, I think mac is wonderful but it doesn't match the abilities of my Windows machine running Window-eyes. > Now, I'm not trying to start some kind of war; but let's please be realistic. > also, I am truly tired of being told I must forget all I know about using windows when using a Mac. > Nobody would do this; sited or not. > VO is a truly weird screen reader as far as the way it gets things done. > It does get them done but sometimes I wonder where they came up with such keystrokes as control-option-command-shift-h for previous header. > And, my IPad is scheduled to be delivered today and I cannot wait. > Kevin > > At 10:00 PM 5/3/2011, you wrote: >> Hello Kevin >> >> On 4 May 2011, at 02:41, Kevin Barry wrote: >> >> ? A major downside to having a built-in screen reader in my opinion. >> A third party developer would be more flexible. >> >> I think the "down side" is more than outweighed by the "plus points". But well; it's a forlorn battle to try and please everybody all of the time. Personally I think people should remember that Apple has, and is, making the accessibility industry change. They are investing huge resources into the development of VoiceOver on their mobile and desktop platforms and they are bringing main stream functionality to those who would otherwise be stuck with second rate and hugely expensive alternatives. >> >> But that's just my take as an interested observer. It saddens me though sometimes when I read the criticisms made of Apple by people who, for their own reasons, are determined to try and push people back into the old ways and the old days. >> >> I do not refer to people in this group; but their is one UK provider of computing software and services which is apparently mounting a very "anti-Apple" campaign for their own self-interested reasons. >> >> People like them will have to be dragged, kicking and screaming if necessary, into the 21st century. If they can't adapt, can't accept the fact that times are changing and the world of Window-Eyes, JFW and even Windows dominance is being radically altered, it's time they joined the pensioner's queue and made way for those willing to see things as they really are in the new world of accessibility. >> >> Which other main stream operating system, for instance, can a visually impaired person install, configure and use right out of the box? Which other hardware platform talks right out of the box? The recent discussion on this list about Fusion and installing the virtual machines should give some indication of this. >> >> Just my view for whatever it's worth. >> >> Lynne >> >> At 09:31 PM 5/3/2011, you wrote: >> > Hi all >> > >> > This is just my own personal take on the Microsoft versus Apple versus Adobe versus the VoiceOver user battle, but here it is for whatever it's worth. >> > >> > Given the ongoing struggle between Microsoft, Apple, Adobe and others, I doubt this "campaign" will have any effect in the short to medium term, to be utterly honest. And besides, there are other issues which come into play here, issues which are beyond Adobe and Microsoft's control. Those being Apple's apparent unwillingness to cooperate with its biggest rivals. >> > >> > I think that, for the foreseeable future, people will have to live with the fact that only third-party utilities are going to provide access to their Windows favourites and documents. Consider: Microsoft Live Essentials for Mac is not accessible. Neither is Microsoft Internet Explorer for Mac. In fact, I am not aware of a single "Mactopia" application which is accessible. Adobe's products such as Dreamweaver CS4, Adobe Acrobat.com, Adobe Creator Suite are not accessible. Adobe PDF Reader is only accessible in as much as it employs TTS. So I think that the little voices in the wilderness which, sadly, is what we are when it comes to the politics between the three giants of the computing industry, will have a very long wait indeed before unification arrives. >> > >> > Sorry if I sound skeptical but those are the facts, as I see them and I personally am not going to waste my time trying to make these groups see sense. But if you are one of those who is determined to push this, the very best of luck to you. I would also urge you, however, to contact Apple and urge them to make public some of the APIs necessary to allow some developers to implement accessibility into their products. >> > >> > Another good example of this lack of available APIs is the very popular and, according to Lynne, excellent PDF Pen Pro 5 for Mat. Put simply it's the best way to manipulate and create PDF documents on the Mac OSX platform. Lynne uses it all the time as part of her work because of its ease of use and is support for full-blown secure PDF creation. But maddeningly, it isn't accessible for the same reasons. Apple will not make public the API's necessary to expose PDF documents to VoiceOver. >> > >> > I am not an authority on this subject, but I think that, when many vendors and developers tell you the same story, and yes ... I have made it my business to investigate this issue in some detail, it has to have some grain of truth attached to it. >> > >> > As things are, the future is uncertain regarding quite a lot of the apps which many of us already use. But I urge people to look at third-party utilities such as Nisus Writer Pro and Express which has been discussed on this list of late. I personally own a license to it, but don't use it all that much. But there is no denying that it provides excellent support for Microsoft Word documents. There are also other applications such as Tables which, although not free, provide excellent spreadsheet accessibility. >> > >> > Microsoft Office for Mac really isn't anything spectacular anyway, according to the visually abled users I speak to regularly who have tried it. In fact, all but one of them who I know have dumped it totally in favour of other products. Tells me something at least, it's a battle much akin to using a wet sponge as your opponent in a boxing match. You'll expend a lot of energy and, though you'll obviously benefit from the exercise, there won't be much else to show for your efforts when the final bell rings. >> > >> > Gordon >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> > >> > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> > >> > >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> > >> > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Wed May 4 17:52:34 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 18:52:34 +0200 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <4dc0aed6.028de50a.17e1.1a6f@mx.google.com> <22FC35B0-F751-422D-85E1-F73B5D728264@mac-access.net> <4dc1287f.9182e50a.54dd.249c@mx.google.com> <05FC385C-5A78-4FE8-90F9-C87A6D48B75A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7F490B9C-5859-40F8-A5DF-6F5A94726C39@gmail.com> Hello Ed, I just can't stand it when people try to tell me what everyone thinks, whether they used Windows or not previously is irrelevant. Even if said person used Windows in the past, that doesn't mean you don't have to let go of what you know about computers because you do. Mac OS X functions on a completely different level than Windows, but the most interesting part is that a lot of people can't back up their claims as to why anything is superior. Even if someone points to market share, that's not important. The market share can still be very high on a product and be horrible and not popular, but it all depends on the price tag. It really has nothing to do with the end result. Microsoft has had luck with their integration, that's all. When the Macintosh was introduced, Apple had some bad years granted, but they got through it and Apple is doing very well for itself now I'd say. When it comes to blind users, a lot of folks have their computers funded by the government agencies floating around. A lot of these are not aware of alternatives to Windows, and as such, blind users may start out using Windows at first. However, at least in Denmark, more agencies are becoming aware of alternatives that will ultimately save money. A Mac might be very pricy, but in the end, it's cheaper than using a Windows computer. You don't pay any screen reader upgrades, and I've personally had to reinstall Windows more times than I can count as opposed to Mac OS X. I've also had Windows computers for a long time, and either the hardware fried or it just had to retire. I have a friend who has had one of the old Macs from 2000, and the damn thing still runs as a newborn baby. I can hardly say the same for Windows computers, even if the hardware has been top notch. This may be because Mac OS X essentially is Unix-based, which admittedly does add a lot of stability and also allows you to do virtually anything with it. But despite a lot of misconceptions of Mac OS X, it does crash from time to time. There really are a lot of myths and misconceptions about Apple's products, but if you tell me that you don't like Macs because people tell you that they aren't worth the cost, then you need to take a breather. At this point, I have people at university who shutter and scowl every time I pull out my iPhone to update Facebook, or power on my beloved MacBook to work on spreadsheets. Anyway, I think I'm done. This is turning into a rant, and I'm very passionate about at least trying a product before you even speak of disadvantages. And, if you try the product and still want to back up your claims, please, for the love of these, do your research. Regards, Nic Den May 4, 2011 kl. 6:25 PM skrev Ed Worrell: > Thank you Nick, I agree with you completely. I am tired of windows users saying that the windows platform is more accessible then mac os. I switched from windows xp, and I am glad I did. I will admit I had a hacked version of Jaws but even so it was a tweeky piece of garbage, I only found the hacked version of the software because I tried the demo of it and didn't think it was worth the price tag. Apple has done a lot in the few years it has been around, and the blind world needs to recognice this. Just because it is a different way of doing things doesn't mean its wrong. My dad is a certified Microsoft programer he was sad to see me by a Mac, but he understood because as he said "microsoft doesn't give a damn about accessibility." > > ED > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Wed May 4 17:58:17 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 11:58:17 -0500 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1037046168778438554@unknownmsgid> <20A05062-5D11-4927-9F81-36FDEC7E16D3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45D1DFEF-CE7D-41E2-BDF5-E8B3D2493B1B@softcon.com> I was going to stay out of this one, but the comment that nothing else comes close is just hogwash. There's plenty of alternatives to ms office on the mac, and hundreds more if you don't need 100 percent compatible. Honestly, I refuse to give ms a single dollar more than I absolutely have to, and I'd never in a million years purchase ms office for the mac, even if it was completely accessible, and the only option there was. But, that's just me. I honestly don't see what all the hype is about, most (if not all) office functions can be performed on the mac, w/o ms products, some of which are opensource, free, or low-cost, so in my mind, there's really no need for all the hupla over ms products. Even people on windows freely admit there's alternatives, and other options, and fewer and fewer users are actually purchasing office, so if it's not the be all and end all on ms, why would I care if it's available on osx, since there are plenty of other methods of accomplishing the same thing. I could see the point, if there were no possibilities other than office, but that's just plain not the case, so in this case, my opinion is it's not worth the hassle, since ms has been ignoring ms compatibility requests for 6 years, I doubt a few emails will make them change their minds now. As I said, it'd be different if there were absolutely nothing to be done to access office content on the mac, but there's plenty of ways of doing so, including some offerings from apple, so save your energy for a battle that's worth fighting, and one you're more likely to win. Ms hasn't cared enough to modify office since 2005, why would they start now? From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Wed May 4 18:01:50 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 18:01:50 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <05FC385C-5A78-4FE8-90F9-C87A6D48B75A@gmail.com> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <4dc0aed6.028de50a.17e1.1a6f@mx.google.com> <22FC35B0-F751-422D-85E1-F73B5D728264@mac-access.net> <4dc1287f.9182e50a.54dd.249c@mx.google.com> <05FC385C-5A78-4FE8-90F9-C87A6D48B75A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Come on guys, out with anger in with love :) Let's not fall out, they are only computers at the end of the day, not life or death. Mind I have to admit I started using VO first (as I am a Macboy) and whilst waiting for my Employer to get some accessible kit for me to return back to my duties I started using JAWS. And I have to be honest I do like the keyboard shortcuts for when surfing the net. However there are many things JAWS can't do such as interact, or even tell me if I have mis-spelt a word after hitting the space bar (before you all flame me, I use XP at work). I also like the fact JAWS remembers where I am in a PDF or Word document if I have to go and then do something in Dreamweaver or Outlook and then come back to what I was reading and JAWS has remembered where I got up to. I also like the ability to be able to customise the screen reader to behave differently in each application. But I won't say anymore on that feature *wink. Right, let's get back to bashing Microsoft and dragging them into 2011 by their geeky glasses and stop fighting with each other eh? Now come on, shake hands or someone is going over my knee. Chris On 4 May 2011, at 12:24, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi Kevin, > > Of course Apple isn't perfect, and everyone makes mistakes. Mac OS X is far from Windows, and you shouldn't be controversial and expect it to behave similarly nor the screen reader to behave similarly. This is why the knowledge from Windows is pretty much useless, since most keystrokes are different. While they have advantages and disadvantages to each other, > > Also, what is their to be realistic about? As I see it, whatever realism you want us to "please be realistic about" is entirely subjective, and by saying that, I'd expect an argument. You're forgetting the few years VoiceOver has actually been integrated, and how far and good it has become despite the decade or more other screen readers have spent to get where they are today. That really isn't a lot further than VoiceOver. While some of them may be more stable and have more features, some of them are also stupidly bloated. Also, let's not talk about SMA upgrades that eventually will run you the price of a Mac. You save all of that money in the longrun, since you don't have to keep ensuring that you stay up-to-date just because you upgrade your operating system. > > Also, please don't try to use the word "nobody" just because you're seemingly not willing to drop your Windows shortcuts. Don't assume that any user, sighted or not, will prefer Windows if they have used this particular operating system before Mac OS X. In this case, you're appearing the zealot here. Whether Windows is superior or not is again subjective, and just because Windows dominates doesn't mean superiority. Mac OS X has many of the same features that WIndows contains, and can integrate similarly into work environments. Let's not talk about market share, because that's not even important. > > When you're talking about applications that don't work, particularly Adobe and Microsoft, it sounds like you have some serious catching up to do. Adobe said earlier last year that it would take a while to make their products accessible, but that they would take care of it. As far as I know, Microsoft has not even taken up the challenge because they simply don't care. > > Let me lay one thing down for you, and I'm surprised you don't know this. The tools are there. > > Incorporate them, Microsoft and Adobe. That's all you have to do. These companies tend to use custom controls, which for good reason are not accessible. Even on Windows, Flash is far from perfect, and you even need to script the tab key for god's sake. You can actually break this, and very easily, completely breaking the screen reader's ability to actually use a keystroke, even a standard one not made available by the software. That's right. Unknown function called to "whatever the control is labeled." Now, if that's not a disadvantage, I don't know what is. Also, > > another huge disadvantage with any screen reader is that they often make use of virtual buffers whereas VoiceOver does not. VoiceOver is capable of reading the webpage while it is actually in the process of loading, which actually speeds things up. It also allows you to actually use more shortcuts, as these keystrokes are not tied to the environment. For example, you can use any shortcut within VoiceOver within any application. Whether it is HTML or not, they still work, whereas Windows screen readers depend on a particular environment, including scripts and video hooks. While scripts can provide an advantage, they're mere hand-holders. If a developer has to sit down and load every screen reader to ensure it is accessible how can that even be an advantage? Most access technologies will probably work with one particular design out of the box, but there is always an exception. This is the even more ridiculous part. > > On mac OS X, a developer hardly has to worry about access when using Cocoa. Not only are their guidelines, but Cocoa actually incorporates the accessibility features into the controls when creating them. Of course, this requires that you adhere to standard controls, but there is no reason that this is impossible to abide by. > > If you want to talk about who and who doesn't govern the access of an application, catch up and read up on the various ways to deploy an application under Mac OS X. I'm sure that will give you some insight as to why these products do not work. Apple can't forcibly make these products accessible, as it is not an Apple product. As I already said, the tools are there but it is the developer's choice to follow or dismiss them. If they don't follow and use the preferred tools, don't complain and blame the company of the operating system, just because you don't understand the technical difficulties. This is not directed at you specifically, but also in general. It gets tiring listening to people bitch about a product that isn't accessible before they even understand why that is, or know anything about it. Your comments about PDF Pen and publicly available APIs clearly show your lack of understanding from the developer side, and how much you are not aware of. yes, I called you out because it's necessary. While status icons cannot be available, there is usually always an alternative or you can just learn how to use the mouse as VoiceOver actually allows this. I also want to add that it works very well. If you can't figure out how to use it, the fact that VoiceOver is on every Mac mostly means that a developer cares enough to try it and revamp the design. Some developers do not, as some developers don't care, but you can't possibly tell me that on Windows developers want to download screen readers which handle accessibility differently and try every one of them. > > Again, I'll repeat myself. If you want to use Mac OS X, learn to use Mac OS X. Don't start saying that another system is superior before you know whether or not that's true based on what you need. Explore the various different products that actually cover the needs of Microsoft and Adobe products, and stop pushing your Windows-ness on me, because I don't want to hear it. It gets kind of boring. > > Anyway, that's it. I'm not going to apologize for being harsh, because this is what it is. > > Regards, > Nic > On May 4, 2011, at 12:20 PM, Kevin Barry wrote: > >> I think you are a tad hypersensitive. >> I was not trying to run down Apple as you seem to imply; just pointing out a disadvantage which exists. >> Unfortunately, since my recent purchase of a Mac I've run into this attitude on the part of blind people all too often, which is that since Apple is doing so much they should never ever be criticised in any way. >> this is very wrong in my opinion. Not only does it make you look like a zelot but it does us a disservice insofar as how will things get better if no one points out the flaws that do exist. >> Personaly, I think mac is wonderful but it doesn't match the abilities of my Windows machine running Window-eyes. >> Now, I'm not trying to start some kind of war; but let's please be realistic. >> also, I am truly tired of being told I must forget all I know about using windows when using a Mac. >> Nobody would do this; sited or not. >> VO is a truly weird screen reader as far as the way it gets things done. >> It does get them done but sometimes I wonder where they came up with such keystrokes as control-option-command-shift-h for previous header. >> And, my IPad is scheduled to be delivered today and I cannot wait. >> Kevin >> >> At 10:00 PM 5/3/2011, you wrote: >>> Hello Kevin >>> >>> On 4 May 2011, at 02:41, Kevin Barry wrote: >>> >>> ? A major downside to having a built-in screen reader in my opinion. >>> A third party developer would be more flexible. >>> >>> I think the "down side" is more than outweighed by the "plus points". But well; it's a forlorn battle to try and please everybody all of the time. Personally I think people should remember that Apple has, and is, making the accessibility industry change. They are investing huge resources into the development of VoiceOver on their mobile and desktop platforms and they are bringing main stream functionality to those who would otherwise be stuck with second rate and hugely expensive alternatives. >>> >>> But that's just my take as an interested observer. It saddens me though sometimes when I read the criticisms made of Apple by people who, for their own reasons, are determined to try and push people back into the old ways and the old days. >>> >>> I do not refer to people in this group; but their is one UK provider of computing software and services which is apparently mounting a very "anti-Apple" campaign for their own self-interested reasons. >>> >>> People like them will have to be dragged, kicking and screaming if necessary, into the 21st century. If they can't adapt, can't accept the fact that times are changing and the world of Window-Eyes, JFW and even Windows dominance is being radically altered, it's time they joined the pensioner's queue and made way for those willing to see things as they really are in the new world of accessibility. >>> >>> Which other main stream operating system, for instance, can a visually impaired person install, configure and use right out of the box? Which other hardware platform talks right out of the box? The recent discussion on this list about Fusion and installing the virtual machines should give some indication of this. >>> >>> Just my view for whatever it's worth. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> At 09:31 PM 5/3/2011, you wrote: >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> This is just my own personal take on the Microsoft versus Apple versus Adobe versus the VoiceOver user battle, but here it is for whatever it's worth. >>>> >>>> Given the ongoing struggle between Microsoft, Apple, Adobe and others, I doubt this "campaign" will have any effect in the short to medium term, to be utterly honest. And besides, there are other issues which come into play here, issues which are beyond Adobe and Microsoft's control. Those being Apple's apparent unwillingness to cooperate with its biggest rivals. >>>> >>>> I think that, for the foreseeable future, people will have to live with the fact that only third-party utilities are going to provide access to their Windows favourites and documents. Consider: Microsoft Live Essentials for Mac is not accessible. Neither is Microsoft Internet Explorer for Mac. In fact, I am not aware of a single "Mactopia" application which is accessible. Adobe's products such as Dreamweaver CS4, Adobe Acrobat.com, Adobe Creator Suite are not accessible. Adobe PDF Reader is only accessible in as much as it employs TTS. So I think that the little voices in the wilderness which, sadly, is what we are when it comes to the politics between the three giants of the computing industry, will have a very long wait indeed before unification arrives. >>>> >>>> Sorry if I sound skeptical but those are the facts, as I see them and I personally am not going to waste my time trying to make these groups see sense. But if you are one of those who is determined to push this, the very best of luck to you. I would also urge you, however, to contact Apple and urge them to make public some of the APIs necessary to allow some developers to implement accessibility into their products. >>>> >>>> Another good example of this lack of available APIs is the very popular and, according to Lynne, excellent PDF Pen Pro 5 for Mat. Put simply it's the best way to manipulate and create PDF documents on the Mac OSX platform. Lynne uses it all the time as part of her work because of its ease of use and is support for full-blown secure PDF creation. But maddeningly, it isn't accessible for the same reasons. Apple will not make public the API's necessary to expose PDF documents to VoiceOver. >>>> >>>> I am not an authority on this subject, but I think that, when many vendors and developers tell you the same story, and yes ... I have made it my business to investigate this issue in some detail, it has to have some grain of truth attached to it. >>>> >>>> As things are, the future is uncertain regarding quite a lot of the apps which many of us already use. But I urge people to look at third-party utilities such as Nisus Writer Pro and Express which has been discussed on this list of late. I personally own a license to it, but don't use it all that much. But there is no denying that it provides excellent support for Microsoft Word documents. There are also other applications such as Tables which, although not free, provide excellent spreadsheet accessibility. >>>> >>>> Microsoft Office for Mac really isn't anything spectacular anyway, according to the visually abled users I speak to regularly who have tried it. In fact, all but one of them who I know have dumped it totally in favour of other products. Tells me something at least, it's a battle much akin to using a wet sponge as your opponent in a boxing match. You'll expend a lot of energy and, though you'll obviously benefit from the exercise, there won't be much else to show for your efforts when the final bell rings. >>>> >>>> Gordon >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 4 18:05:52 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 18:05:52 +0100 Subject: Cool it! Message-ID: Hello everybody We appreciate that the screen-reader thing is a passionate area with some. But that really isn't the aim of this list. We are here to discuss Apple products, so let's stick to that shall we. It is unfortunate when this type of discussion starts that some always feel the need to get personal. So people, let's just cool this one now if you don't mind. Lynne From edworrell at bresnan.net Wed May 4 18:06:55 2011 From: edworrell at bresnan.net (Ed Worrell) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 11:06:55 -0600 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <7F490B9C-5859-40F8-A5DF-6F5A94726C39@gmail.com> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <4dc0aed6.028de50a.17e1.1a6f@mx.google.com> <22FC35B0-F751-422D-85E1-F73B5D728264@mac-access.net> <4dc1287f.9182e50a.54dd.249c@mx.google.com> <05FC385C-5A78-4FE8-90F9-C87A6D48B75A@gmail.com> <7F490B9C-5859-40F8-A5DF-6F5A94726C39@gmail.com> Message-ID: I agree, I just now got Blind and Low Vision Services here in montana to start looking at Apple products as a salution, for granted I had to buy all my own Apple hardware but I can say I have got the ball rolling in the right direction. The one plus to it is that my case adviser calls me when he he has a question about a Apple product. ED From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Wed May 4 18:08:10 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 18:08:10 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <7695FCF19AF442248D804815C0E51FFE@seans> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <7695FCF19AF442248D804815C0E51FFE@seans> Message-ID: See that is what I don't understand, Apple is not allowing companies to use their APIs? So how are the likes of Beam, Nisus Writer Pro and Tables able to produce accessible products using APIs to perform similar tasks to office? And I guess Apple must be supplying access to Adobe, as accessible is being threaded into their future releases (granted not all). Is it officially documented by Apple or any big developers that Apple are actually doing this? Or is it just one of them urban myths? I don't buy it personally, I just think it is developers being lazy to adopt Cocoa and adhering to Apple accessibility guidelines. Chris On 4 May 2011, at 12:56, Sean Murphy wrote: > Gordon, > > If apple are not exposing all UI's to developers to make their products accessible. Then This is a double standing. If a company needs to use those API's to make their product accessible and apple is restricting it. Then the fault lays with Apple. If Apple has exposed the API's, then the fault lays with the company who doesn't use them. > > Regardless of how much any company has done to improve and change the landscape of Accessibility. If there is areas of improvement, they should be brought up to make their product even better. > > Other companies should take the leaf out of apple and I will also include IBM in relation to Accessibility. Apple has done a major change in the last 5 years and this will eventually over time effect other companies who do not provide the same standard. > > I wonder if NFB will do another class action against Microsoft? Grin. > > I will defend the Screen reading companies on the Windows Platform. these companies have done a lot of excellent work to get their products to the level they currently are with extremely difficult environment to work in. My Beleif is Microsoft is not serious about Accessibility. Look at their so call bilt-in screen reader to settle an class action. > > so if major companies start dropping Windows based a We cannot forget the almighty dollar (pound). At the end of the day, this is what makes business decissions. > > Sean > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Wed May 4 18:10:57 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 18:10:57 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <7695FCF19AF442248D804815C0E51FFE@seans> Message-ID: Chris Nisus uses its own custom controls. Some developers have developed their own. On 4 May 2011, at 18:08, Chris Moore wrote: See that is what I don't understand, Apple is not allowing companies to use their APIs? So how are the likes of Beam, Nisus Writer Pro and Tables able to produce accessible products using APIs to perform similar tasks to office? And I guess Apple must be supplying access to Adobe, as accessible is being threaded into their future releases (granted not all). Is it officially documented by Apple or any big developers that Apple are actually doing this? Or is it just one of them urban myths? I don't buy it personally, I just think it is developers being lazy to adopt Cocoa and adhering to Apple accessibility guidelines. Chris On 4 May 2011, at 12:56, Sean Murphy wrote: > Gordon, > > If apple are not exposing all UI's to developers to make their products accessible. Then This is a double standing. If a company needs to use those API's to make their product accessible and apple is restricting it. Then the fault lays with Apple. If Apple has exposed the API's, then the fault lays with the company who doesn't use them. > > Regardless of how much any company has done to improve and change the landscape of Accessibility. If there is areas of improvement, they should be brought up to make their product even better. > > Other companies should take the leaf out of apple and I will also include IBM in relation to Accessibility. Apple has done a major change in the last 5 years and this will eventually over time effect other companies who do not provide the same standard. > > I wonder if NFB will do another class action against Microsoft? Grin. > > I will defend the Screen reading companies on the Windows Platform. these companies have done a lot of excellent work to get their products to the level they currently are with extremely difficult environment to work in. My Beleif is Microsoft is not serious about Accessibility. Look at their so call bilt-in screen reader to settle an class action. > > so if major companies start dropping Windows based a We cannot forget the almighty dollar (pound). At the end of the day, this is what makes business decissions. > > Sean > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From tsiegel at softcon.com Wed May 4 18:12:20 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 12:12:20 -0500 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <22FC35B0-F751-422D-85E1-F73B5D728264@mac-access.net> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <4dc0aed6.028de50a.17e1.1a6f@mx.google.com> <22FC35B0-F751-422D-85E1-F73B5D728264@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Actually, there are several linux distributions now that can be installed out of the box so to speak that will come up talking now, so osx isn't, and honestly, never has been the only player in that regard. What osx brings to the table is the support of a major market player, which is something linux distros lack, regardless of how large redhat, cladera and others may be, they just don't have the same market presence apple does, thus apple has done more for accessible proucts in the last 6 years than linux had managed in the previous 15, merely due to it's shear size. It's hard to argue with their results, and what they're forcing other companies to do now is to at least think about accessibility, even if they don't implement it, they're at least aware that it's something they should be taking a look at relatively soon. And for that alone, I'll always be some what of a fan of apple. From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Wed May 4 18:16:31 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 18:16:31 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <7FE0F959-AA80-4C71-8F81-A15ADE5814D1@mac-access.net> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <4dc0aed6.028de50a.17e1.1a6f@mx.google.com> <22FC35B0-F751-422D-85E1-F73B5D728264@mac-access.net> <4dc1287f.9182e50a.54dd.249c@mx.google.com> <7FE0F959-AA80-4C71-8F81-A15ADE5814D1@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9572B9EB-8CD4-4F12-B637-89C7CB67B256@blueyonder.co.uk> I think that was very fair and nicely put :) On 4 May 2011, at 14:56, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Kevin > > Please don't take this personally Kevin; but I'm afraid you've totally misinterpreted my message. No I most definitely don't want to get into the "My Toy's Better Than Your Toy" argument. And, by the way, I am not blind. I have no bias, no prejudice and no problem with other people expressing the contrary view points. > > I would completely agree with you that not everything is possible on the mac and I'm definitely not in any way sensitive Kevin. This is not an attitude thing as far as I'm concerned. We're talking about Computers and it's a very personal choice as to which one you prefer to use. I repeat; I am not blind. This is definitely not an "attitude" issue. I simply speak as I find. I am just the wife of a blind person who happens to be an Apple fan and I share his opinions although we both recognise totally that there are aspects of Apple's OS which are frustrating at times. > > With all due respect, you call VoiceOver a "Weird" screen-reader. I submit that many people have successfully used VoiceOver over a very long time and in a lot of cases it is their primary accessibility tool. I think "weird" is a personal definition which many people wouldn't share with you. > > All that having been said I think it would be a big mistake to say that Apple = perfection. There are many problems with the OSX environment for a blind person. For instance the inability to access third-party applications whose icons reside on the menu bar. Such applications are becoming more and more common place and Apple's refusal to release the API necessary to fix this problem is strange. So, once again Kevin, I'm sorry but you read this message totally wrongly. > > You state that your Mac experience cannot match that of your Windows one. If you think you get better performance, productivity or whatever from your Windows based systems, then fine; happy computing. :) > > Lynne > > > On 4 May 2011, at 11:20, Kevin Barry wrote: > > I think you are a tad hypersensitive. > I was not trying to run down Apple as you seem to imply; just pointing out a disadvantage which exists. > Unfortunately, since my recent purchase of a Mac I've run into this attitude on the part of blind people all too often, which is that since Apple is doing so much they should never ever be criticised in any way. > this is very wrong in my opinion. Not only does it make you look like a zelot but it does us a disservice insofar as how will things get better if no one points out the flaws that do exist. > Personaly, I think mac is wonderful but it doesn't match the abilities of my Windows machine running Window-eyes. > Now, I'm not trying to start some kind of war; but let's please be realistic. > also, I am truly tired of being told I must forget all I know about using windows when using a Mac. > Nobody would do this; sited or not. > VO is a truly weird screen reader as far as the way it gets things done. > It does get them done but sometimes I wonder where they came up with such keystrokes as control-option-command-shift-h for previous header. > And, my IPad is scheduled to be delivered today and I cannot wait. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Wed May 4 18:36:37 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 12:36:37 -0500 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <7695FCF19AF442248D804815C0E51FFE@seans> Message-ID: Apple publishes it's accessibility apis. I've posted here more than once with urls on apple's site where folks can go to read the documentation for themselves. If a developer uses standard gui elements, even if they do nothing at all about accessibility, their programs will work. They may not be 100 percent accessible, due to lack of button labels and control labels, but they will work. Unfortunately, what usually happens, is that companies decide it would be cooler to make their buttons look like sliders, or changing their scroll area into a space-age looking background icon would be a nice effect, that's where the problems arrise. When apple provides controls to do the job, then programmers don't use those controls, I don't understand why they continue to insist it's apple's fault. If I built a car, and didn't follow ford's instructions for putting it together, why would I complain to ford that the card won't run because I left out their engine, and put in a windmill in it's place instead? Go look it up, apple provides apis, developers who use them have very few problems making their things accessible, those who don't follow them have a great deal of trouble making their programs accessible. You tell me, is apple doing their part? Apple always tells folks that if there's an api they want access to, and they think it should be a public api, file a bug request against it, and ask for it to be made so. A few times, apple has seen the point, and changed the api, most of the time they don't, and I can't say why or why not, but that's for them to decide, not me, and personally, I think they're doing an excellent job. I've seen posts on the apple developer lists where folks have asked for assistance, and gotten it. These companies complaining they can't use apple's apis probably aren't following gui guidelines. I'd ask those companies how many enhancement requests they have filed with apple to get things opened up for use. If they can't give you bug report numbers, then they're not doing their job properly, and dumping it on apple claiming they haven't done anything is not the way to convince me apple is not doing their part. Anyone can look up bug reports, so go ahead, ask them for bug reports, and then go look them up yourself and see if what they are complaining about is what they said in the bug report. If not, then again, I have no interest in continuing the conversation. Apple is doing the best they can with the materials they have. Are they doing everything right? Heck no, but no company does, but complaining about things w/o taking any steps to solve it when those steps are clerly identified in many publicly available places is just plain silly. From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Wed May 4 18:56:17 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 18:56:17 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <7695FCF19AF442248D804815C0E51FFE@seans> Message-ID: <0B9D1470-0469-4187-81AB-684D4BCD949A@blueyonder.co.uk> I did not think VO supported custom controls? I thought that was one of the stumbling blocks for apps that do not use Apple's controls? You only have to look at Pro Tools 8 and 9 to see how a product can become accessible. This happened because a group of blind users got together and made it happen. Pro Tools is industry standard and a great addition to us blind mac users. i am not a programmer, or claim to know anything about the deeper layers of the Mac when it comes to making products accessible. But I just don't buy it that Apple is preventing this from happening. If that was the case, then why develop a screen reader if you don't want third party developers to use it? Does not add up. Look what happens when developers make custom controls on the iOS devices, VO just does not work with them. Chris On 4 May 2011, at 18:10, Gordon Smith wrote: > Chris > > Nisus uses its own custom controls. Some developers have developed their own. > > On 4 May 2011, at 18:08, Chris Moore wrote: > > See that is what I don't understand, Apple is not allowing companies to use their APIs? So how are the likes of Beam, Nisus Writer Pro and Tables able to produce accessible products using APIs to perform similar tasks to office? And I guess Apple must be supplying access to Adobe, as accessible is being threaded into their future releases (granted not all). > > Is it officially documented by Apple or any big developers that Apple are actually doing this? Or is it just one of them urban myths? I don't buy it personally, I just think it is developers being lazy to adopt Cocoa and adhering to Apple accessibility guidelines. > > Chris > On 4 May 2011, at 12:56, Sean Murphy wrote: > >> Gordon, >> >> If apple are not exposing all UI's to developers to make their products accessible. Then This is a double standing. If a company needs to use those API's to make their product accessible and apple is restricting it. Then the fault lays with Apple. If Apple has exposed the API's, then the fault lays with the company who doesn't use them. >> >> Regardless of how much any company has done to improve and change the landscape of Accessibility. If there is areas of improvement, they should be brought up to make their product even better. >> >> Other companies should take the leaf out of apple and I will also include IBM in relation to Accessibility. Apple has done a major change in the last 5 years and this will eventually over time effect other companies who do not provide the same standard. >> >> I wonder if NFB will do another class action against Microsoft? Grin. >> >> I will defend the Screen reading companies on the Windows Platform. these companies have done a lot of excellent work to get their products to the level they currently are with extremely difficult environment to work in. My Beleif is Microsoft is not serious about Accessibility. Look at their so call bilt-in screen reader to settle an class action. >> >> so if major companies start dropping Windows based a We cannot forget the almighty dollar (pound). At the end of the day, this is what makes business decissions. >> >> Sean >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Wed May 4 18:57:41 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 18:57:41 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <7695FCF19AF442248D804815C0E51FFE@seans> Message-ID: <2F794901-6E92-4C29-B40A-E8BB19F5935B@mac-access.net> Trabvis I have it from more than one developer that the menu bar APIs are not the same ones as Apple uses. On 4 May 2011, at 18:36, Travis Siegel wrote: Apple publishes it's accessibility apis. I've posted here more than once with urls on apple's site where folks can go to read the documentation for themselves. If a developer uses standard gui elements, even if they do nothing at all about accessibility, their programs will work. They may not be 100 percent accessible, due to lack of button labels and control labels, but they will work. Unfortunately, what usually happens, is that companies decide it would be cooler to make their buttons look like sliders, or changing their scroll area into a space-age looking background icon would be a nice effect, that's where the problems arrise. When apple provides controls to do the job, then programmers don't use those controls, I don't understand why they continue to insist it's apple's fault. If I built a car, and didn't follow ford's instructions for putting it together, why would I complain to ford that the card won't run because I left out their engine, and put in a windmill in it's place instead? Go look it up, apple provides apis, developers who use them have very few problems making their things accessible, those who don't follow them have a great deal of trouble making their programs accessible. You tell me, is apple doing their part? Apple always tells folks that if there's an api they want access to, and they think it should be a public api, file a bug request against it, and ask for it to be made so. A few times, apple has seen the point, and changed the api, most of the time they don't, and I can't say why or why not, but that's for them to decide, not me, and personally, I think they're doing an excellent job. I've seen posts on the apple developer lists where folks have asked for assistance, and gotten it. These companies complaining they can't use apple's apis probably aren't following gui guidelines. I'd ask those companies how many enhancement requests they have filed with apple to get things opened up for use. If they can't give you bug report numbers, then they're not doing their job properly, and dumping it on apple claiming they haven't done anything is not the way to convince me apple is not doing their part. Anyone can look up bug reports, so go ahead, ask them for bug reports, and then go look them up yourself and see if what they are complaining about is what they said in the bug report. If not, then again, I have no interest in continuing the conversation. Apple is doing the best they can with the materials they have. Are they doing everything right? Heck no, but no company does, but complaining about things w/o taking any steps to solve it when those steps are clerly identified in many publicly available places is just plain silly. _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Wed May 4 18:59:24 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 18:59:24 +0100 Subject: VoiceOver And Controls In-Reply-To: <0B9D1470-0469-4187-81AB-684D4BCD949A@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <7695FCF19AF442248D804815C0E51FFE@seans> <0B9D1470-0469-4187-81AB-684D4BCD949A@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Chris I'll give you an example of this iDefrag from Coriolis Systems uses the developer's own control set because Apple's are inadequate. But I use the programme with no problems. Gordon On 4 May 2011, at 18:56, Chris Moore wrote: I did not think VO supported custom controls? I thought that was one of the stumbling blocks for apps that do not use Apple's controls? You only have to look at Pro Tools 8 and 9 to see how a product can become accessible. This happened because a group of blind users got together and made it happen. Pro Tools is industry standard and a great addition to us blind mac users. i am not a programmer, or claim to know anything about the deeper layers of the Mac when it comes to making products accessible. But I just don't buy it that Apple is preventing this from happening. If that was the case, then why develop a screen reader if you don't want third party developers to use it? Does not add up. Look what happens when developers make custom controls on the iOS devices, VO just does not work with them. Chris On 4 May 2011, at 18:10, Gordon Smith wrote: > Chris > > Nisus uses its own custom controls. Some developers have developed their own. > > On 4 May 2011, at 18:08, Chris Moore wrote: > > See that is what I don't understand, Apple is not allowing companies to use their APIs? So how are the likes of Beam, Nisus Writer Pro and Tables able to produce accessible products using APIs to perform similar tasks to office? And I guess Apple must be supplying access to Adobe, as accessible is being threaded into their future releases (granted not all). > > Is it officially documented by Apple or any big developers that Apple are actually doing this? Or is it just one of them urban myths? I don't buy it personally, I just think it is developers being lazy to adopt Cocoa and adhering to Apple accessibility guidelines. > > Chris > On 4 May 2011, at 12:56, Sean Murphy wrote: > >> Gordon, >> >> If apple are not exposing all UI's to developers to make their products accessible. Then This is a double standing. If a company needs to use those API's to make their product accessible and apple is restricting it. Then the fault lays with Apple. If Apple has exposed the API's, then the fault lays with the company who doesn't use them. >> >> Regardless of how much any company has done to improve and change the landscape of Accessibility. If there is areas of improvement, they should be brought up to make their product even better. >> >> Other companies should take the leaf out of apple and I will also include IBM in relation to Accessibility. Apple has done a major change in the last 5 years and this will eventually over time effect other companies who do not provide the same standard. >> >> I wonder if NFB will do another class action against Microsoft? Grin. >> >> I will defend the Screen reading companies on the Windows Platform. these companies have done a lot of excellent work to get their products to the level they currently are with extremely difficult environment to work in. My Beleif is Microsoft is not serious about Accessibility. Look at their so call bilt-in screen reader to settle an class action. >> >> so if major companies start dropping Windows based a We cannot forget the almighty dollar (pound). At the end of the day, this is what makes business decissions. >> >> Sean >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Wed May 4 19:14:28 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 19:14:28 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <7695FCF19AF442248D804815C0E51FFE@seans> Message-ID: <95F362A7-854C-4AFD-9110-89771D5FEB07@blueyonder.co.uk> Travis, Thank you, you have totally backed up what I thought would be the reason. So we are asking Microsoft to stop using custom elements and controls. In the past Office used to have a very none Mac look and feel apart from the floating toolbars. I guess as most of this code was carbon when it was posted across from their Office 98 suite. Thanks once again Travis. Chris On 4 May 2011, at 18:36, Travis Siegel wrote: > Apple publishes it's accessibility apis. I've posted here more than once with urls on apple's site where folks can go to read the documentation for themselves. > If a developer uses standard gui elements, even if they do nothing at all about accessibility, their programs will work. They may not be 100 percent accessible, due to lack of button labels and control labels, but they will work. > Unfortunately, what usually happens, is that companies decide it would be cooler to make their buttons look like sliders, or changing their scroll area into a space-age looking background icon would be a nice effect, that's where the problems arrise. > When apple provides controls to do the job, then programmers don't use those controls, I don't understand why they continue to insist it's apple's fault. > If I built a car, and didn't follow ford's instructions for putting it together, why would I complain to ford that the card won't run because I left out their engine, and put in a windmill in it's place instead? > > Go look it up, apple provides apis, developers who use them have very few problems making their things accessible, those who don't follow them have a great deal of trouble making their programs accessible. > You tell me, is apple doing their part? > Apple always tells folks that if there's an api they want access to, and they think it should be a public api, file a bug request against it, and ask for it to be made so. A few times, apple has seen the point, and changed the api, most of the time they don't, and I can't say why or why not, but that's for them to decide, not me, and personally, I think they're doing an excellent job. > I've seen posts on the apple developer lists where folks have asked for assistance, and gotten it. > These companies complaining they can't use apple's apis probably aren't following gui guidelines. I'd ask those companies how many enhancement requests they have filed with apple to get things opened up for use. If they can't give you bug report numbers, then they're not doing their job properly, and dumping it on apple claiming they haven't done anything is not the way to convince me apple is not doing their part. > Anyone can look up bug reports, so go ahead, ask them for bug reports, and then go look them up yourself and see if what they are complaining about is what they said in the bug report. If not, then again, I have no interest in continuing the conversation. > Apple is doing the best they can with the materials they have. > Are they doing everything right? Heck no, but no company does, but complaining about things w/o taking any steps to solve it when those steps are clerly identified in many publicly available places is just plain silly. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Wed May 4 19:16:21 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 19:16:21 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <2F794901-6E92-4C29-B40A-E8BB19F5935B@mac-access.net> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <7695FCF19AF442248D804815C0E51FFE@seans> <2F794901-6E92-4C29-B40A-E8BB19F5935B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I believe that is correct, and I believe they don't release that one for security reasons. Not sure if that is the case in OS X Kitty Kat though On 4 May 2011, at 18:57, Gordon Smith wrote: > Trabvis > > I have it from more than one developer that the menu bar APIs are not the same ones as Apple uses. > > > On 4 May 2011, at 18:36, Travis Siegel wrote: > > Apple publishes it's accessibility apis. I've posted here more than once with urls on apple's site where folks can go to read the documentation for themselves. > If a developer uses standard gui elements, even if they do nothing at all about accessibility, their programs will work. They may not be 100 percent accessible, due to lack of button labels and control labels, but they will work. > Unfortunately, what usually happens, is that companies decide it would be cooler to make their buttons look like sliders, or changing their scroll area into a space-age looking background icon would be a nice effect, that's where the problems arrise. > When apple provides controls to do the job, then programmers don't use those controls, I don't understand why they continue to insist it's apple's fault. > If I built a car, and didn't follow ford's instructions for putting it together, why would I complain to ford that the card won't run because I left out their engine, and put in a windmill in it's place instead? > > Go look it up, apple provides apis, developers who use them have very few problems making their things accessible, those who don't follow them have a great deal of trouble making their programs accessible. > You tell me, is apple doing their part? > Apple always tells folks that if there's an api they want access to, and they think it should be a public api, file a bug request against it, and ask for it to be made so. A few times, apple has seen the point, and changed the api, most of the time they don't, and I can't say why or why not, but that's for them to decide, not me, and personally, I think they're doing an excellent job. > I've seen posts on the apple developer lists where folks have asked for assistance, and gotten it. > These companies complaining they can't use apple's apis probably aren't following gui guidelines. I'd ask those companies how many enhancement requests they have filed with apple to get things opened up for use. If they can't give you bug report numbers, then they're not doing their job properly, and dumping it on apple claiming they haven't done anything is not the way to convince me apple is not doing their part. > Anyone can look up bug reports, so go ahead, ask them for bug reports, and then go look them up yourself and see if what they are complaining about is what they said in the bug report. If not, then again, I have no interest in continuing the conversation. > Apple is doing the best they can with the materials they have. > Are they doing everything right? Heck no, but no company does, but complaining about things w/o taking any steps to solve it when those steps are clerly identified in many publicly available places is just plain silly. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed May 4 20:39:40 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 12:39:40 -0700 Subject: Amadeus Pro - playing file from point specified in go to location In-Reply-To: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02C8DFE53E70@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02C8DFE53E70@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: <22C30316-370F-4010-AF44-21C2E2AB0F0C@gmail.com> You ahve it set to play from beginning if selection is empty. check the other option i forfot what it is at the moment but it is in general under prefs. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 4, 2011, at 5:45 AM, Sunil Peck wrote: > Hi, > > Apologies for the long subject line. > > I'm working with files which are a couple of hours long and thanks to the excellent tutorials up on Blindcooltech I'm aware that you can speed up the process of getting to a specified point in a file by using the up arrow to speed up playback. > > I hoped I could use the go to location option to key in a time like 45 minutes for instance, to avoid having to scroll 45 minutes worth of audio. > > But when I do that and press the spacebar to playback, the audio starts playing from the beginning of the file. 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As promised and suspected, the update reduces the size of the location database cache, stops backing up the cache to iTunes, and deletes the cache when Location Services is turned off. More ? http://bit.ly/lS0YAj From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed May 4 20:53:07 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 12:53:07 -0700 Subject: A script to keep Flash Player up to date Message-ID: <8D7821AB-0D5C-4BE5-AB24-FD2F9486112B@gmail.com> A script to keep Flash Player up to date Frequent security updates to Flash prompted me to write this script to keep Flash current on Intel Macs that I manage. While more recent versions of Flash can be configured to notify end users of available updates, this script will silently check and upgrade to a newer version if one is available. It works by checking the installed version of Flash (if any) against the version number available for Mac Safari/Firefox/Opera on Adobe's About Flash page. If the two are different, it downloads the DMG of the latest Flash installer to the same folder where the script resides, silently mounts the DMG, and executes the installer package buried in the 'Install Flash' application. It runs completely silently and will log all of its activities to a file for later review. If Flash is not present, it will be installed on the system. In its current form it will not advise users to quit their browsers, because it was written to be run during off hours on machines sitting at the login win ... http://bit.ly/k40cCW From support at mac-access.net Wed May 4 21:22:10 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 21:22:10 +0100 Subject: Drop this subject please, this is an official request! Message-ID: OK folks, the time has come to make this the first official request ever for a thread on list to be dropped. I'm talking about this discussion about Windows, LINUX and whatever versus Mac. We are not here for that reason and we are losing members like water because of it. So let's just drop this right now please, and concentrate on the reason we are here, to discuss our uses of Apple's products. If the thread persists, the persisters will be place on moderation until it stops. I would really rather not have to do that. So can we please end that thread right now. Lynne From mattchao at verizon.net Wed May 4 21:34:25 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 16:34:25 -0400 Subject: antivirus for the mac, link Nick provided.. In-Reply-To: References: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> <20110503032852.77E6.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <007B8692-D196-4E28-B57D-C3C88F6A70F2@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0LKO003ETUHFR550@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Hello. Have looked at one of the Take Control books, and they recommend CleanApp as an uninstaller. Hope this helps. Matthew Chao At 09:41 AM 5/4/2011, you wrote: >Lynn, > >thanks for this hint. what would be a better choice, if we decided >to use anything-the protect mac thing that was suggested, or >something else? I don't want overkill, and we don't go to >suspicious type places, do dumb things with email, etc, >anyway. what we do do is use send space a lot to share movies with >people(some of you probably know about this). > >Thanks for any advice, >Cait > >On May 3, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > > > Hello Cait > > > > On 3 May 2011, at 18:13, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > > > > Thanks! I don't mind paying for something if it works, and is accessable. > > > > Eset is a bit of a joke for the Mac. They miss most of the > security threats anyway. > > > > We are trying to figure out how to uninstall the dar n thing as > it is a system resource hogger. > > > > > > Lynne > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 6093 (20110504) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed May 4 21:39:29 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 13:39:29 -0700 Subject: antivirus for the mac, link Nick provided.. In-Reply-To: <0LKO003ETUHFR550@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> References: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> <20110503032852.77E6.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <007B8692-D196-4E28-B57D-C3C88F6A70F2@mac-access.net> <0LKO003ETUHFR550@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Ah I use trashme. it is a wonderful program and probably works the same way. you del an app and it sks if you want to remove all files with it. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 4, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: > Hello. Have looked at one of the Take Control books, and they recommend CleanApp as an uninstaller. Hope this helps. > > Matthew Chao > > At 09:41 AM 5/4/2011, you wrote: >> Lynn, >> >> thanks for this hint. what would be a better choice, if we decided to use anything-the protect mac thing that was suggested, or something else? I don't want overkill, and we don't go to suspicious type places, do dumb things with email, etc, anyway. what we do do is use send space a lot to share movies with people(some of you probably know about this). >> >> Thanks for any advice, >> Cait >> >> On May 3, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >> > Hello Cait >> > >> > On 3 May 2011, at 18:13, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> > >> > Thanks! I don't mind paying for something if it works, and is accessable. >> > >> > Eset is a bit of a joke for the Mac. They miss most of the security threats anyway. >> > >> > We are trying to figure out how to uninstall the dar n thing as it is a system resource hogger. >> > >> > >> > Lynne >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > >> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> > >> > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> > >> > >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> > >> > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6093 (20110504) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >> http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Wed May 4 21:57:03 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:57:03 -0300 Subject: deactivating all machines in itunes. Message-ID: <6199313D68D146E2B798C4257BC0469C@MainComputer> Hello Folks: I need to be able to deactivate all machines in iTunes; some of which, I no longer have. Apparently, it can be done in the account settings. Can someone walk me through that? Thanks all over the place gang. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From lavendar at bell.net Wed May 4 22:04:57 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:04:57 -0400 Subject: reverting back to old safari Message-ID: How to do you go back to the older version of safari? The newer version is always saying busy all the time, and lots of pages I go to are virtually unuseable now. This is totally annoying! I am going to write apple about this, as if it'll do any good. Cait, having a hissy fit today, between this and my vm problems From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Wed May 4 22:17:03 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 22:17:03 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <7695FCF19AF442248D804815C0E51FFE@seans> Message-ID: <2A9BB873-E4B0-488B-91E0-17646AB060B1@blueyonder.co.uk> Does anyone know who the current General Manager of the Mac Business Unit is? Is it still Craig? On 4 May 2011, at 18:36, Travis Siegel wrote: > Apple publishes it's accessibility apis. I've posted here more than once with urls on apple's site where folks can go to read the documentation for themselves. > If a developer uses standard gui elements, even if they do nothing at all about accessibility, their programs will work. They may not be 100 percent accessible, due to lack of button labels and control labels, but they will work. > Unfortunately, what usually happens, is that companies decide it would be cooler to make their buttons look like sliders, or changing their scroll area into a space-age looking background icon would be a nice effect, that's where the problems arrise. > When apple provides controls to do the job, then programmers don't use those controls, I don't understand why they continue to insist it's apple's fault. > If I built a car, and didn't follow ford's instructions for putting it together, why would I complain to ford that the card won't run because I left out their engine, and put in a windmill in it's place instead? > > Go look it up, apple provides apis, developers who use them have very few problems making their things accessible, those who don't follow them have a great deal of trouble making their programs accessible. > You tell me, is apple doing their part? > Apple always tells folks that if there's an api they want access to, and they think it should be a public api, file a bug request against it, and ask for it to be made so. A few times, apple has seen the point, and changed the api, most of the time they don't, and I can't say why or why not, but that's for them to decide, not me, and personally, I think they're doing an excellent job. > I've seen posts on the apple developer lists where folks have asked for assistance, and gotten it. > These companies complaining they can't use apple's apis probably aren't following gui guidelines. I'd ask those companies how many enhancement requests they have filed with apple to get things opened up for use. If they can't give you bug report numbers, then they're not doing their job properly, and dumping it on apple claiming they haven't done anything is not the way to convince me apple is not doing their part. > Anyone can look up bug reports, so go ahead, ask them for bug reports, and then go look them up yourself and see if what they are complaining about is what they said in the bug report. If not, then again, I have no interest in continuing the conversation. > Apple is doing the best they can with the materials they have. > Are they doing everything right? Heck no, but no company does, but complaining about things w/o taking any steps to solve it when those steps are clerly identified in many publicly available places is just plain silly. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Chris From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Wed May 4 22:26:24 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 22:26:24 +0100 Subject: Campaign to get an accessible Microsoft Office for the Mac In-Reply-To: <2A9BB873-E4B0-488B-91E0-17646AB060B1@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <7695FCF19AF442248D804815C0E51FFE@seans> <2A9BB873-E4B0-488B-91E0-17646AB060B1@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <0BB18558-13DF-41FA-8667-1A90406F1856@blueyonder.co.uk> Please ignore my previous message, I have now discovered it is Eric Wilfrid, just now need to find out how to contact him now. On 4 May 2011, at 22:17, Chris Moore wrote: > Does anyone know who the current General Manager of the Mac Business Unit is? > > Is it still Craig? > > On 4 May 2011, at 18:36, Travis Siegel wrote: > >> Apple publishes it's accessibility apis. I've posted here more than once with urls on apple's site where folks can go to read the documentation for themselves. >> If a developer uses standard gui elements, even if they do nothing at all about accessibility, their programs will work. They may not be 100 percent accessible, due to lack of button labels and control labels, but they will work. >> Unfortunately, what usually happens, is that companies decide it would be cooler to make their buttons look like sliders, or changing their scroll area into a space-age looking background icon would be a nice effect, that's where the problems arrise. >> When apple provides controls to do the job, then programmers don't use those controls, I don't understand why they continue to insist it's apple's fault. >> If I built a car, and didn't follow ford's instructions for putting it together, why would I complain to ford that the card won't run because I left out their engine, and put in a windmill in it's place instead? >> >> Go look it up, apple provides apis, developers who use them have very few problems making their things accessible, those who don't follow them have a great deal of trouble making their programs accessible. >> You tell me, is apple doing their part? >> Apple always tells folks that if there's an api they want access to, and they think it should be a public api, file a bug request against it, and ask for it to be made so. A few times, apple has seen the point, and changed the api, most of the time they don't, and I can't say why or why not, but that's for them to decide, not me, and personally, I think they're doing an excellent job. >> I've seen posts on the apple developer lists where folks have asked for assistance, and gotten it. >> These companies complaining they can't use apple's apis probably aren't following gui guidelines. I'd ask those companies how many enhancement requests they have filed with apple to get things opened up for use. If they can't give you bug report numbers, then they're not doing their job properly, and dumping it on apple claiming they haven't done anything is not the way to convince me apple is not doing their part. >> Anyone can look up bug reports, so go ahead, ask them for bug reports, and then go look them up yourself and see if what they are complaining about is what they said in the bug report. If not, then again, I have no interest in continuing the conversation. >> Apple is doing the best they can with the materials they have. >> Are they doing everything right? Heck no, but no company does, but complaining about things w/o taking any steps to solve it when those steps are clerly identified in many publicly available places is just plain silly. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > References: <377E8DF3-596E-468E-A582-98E7C3949B60@blueyonder.co.uk> <1C187365-605C-451A-96AF-0C19378F7413@mac-access.net> <7695FCF19AF442248D804815C0E51FFE@seans> <2A9BB873-E4B0-488B-91E0-17646AB060B1@blueyonder.co.uk> <0BB18558-13DF-41FA-8667-1A90406F1856@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Ok here is a way into getting some views aired by Eric. I am going to sign up. Check out his profile here: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/eric-wilfrid/4/81a/a19 On 4 May 2011, at 22:26, Chris Moore wrote: > Please ignore my previous message, I have now discovered it is Eric Wilfrid, just now need to find out how to contact him now. > On 4 May 2011, at 22:17, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Does anyone know who the current General Manager of the Mac Business Unit is? >> >> Is it still Craig? >> >> On 4 May 2011, at 18:36, Travis Siegel wrote: >> >>> Apple publishes it's accessibility apis. I've posted here more than once with urls on apple's site where folks can go to read the documentation for themselves. >>> If a developer uses standard gui elements, even if they do nothing at all about accessibility, their programs will work. They may not be 100 percent accessible, due to lack of button labels and control labels, but they will work. >>> Unfortunately, what usually happens, is that companies decide it would be cooler to make their buttons look like sliders, or changing their scroll area into a space-age looking background icon would be a nice effect, that's where the problems arrise. >>> When apple provides controls to do the job, then programmers don't use those controls, I don't understand why they continue to insist it's apple's fault. >>> If I built a car, and didn't follow ford's instructions for putting it together, why would I complain to ford that the card won't run because I left out their engine, and put in a windmill in it's place instead? >>> >>> Go look it up, apple provides apis, developers who use them have very few problems making their things accessible, those who don't follow them have a great deal of trouble making their programs accessible. >>> You tell me, is apple doing their part? >>> Apple always tells folks that if there's an api they want access to, and they think it should be a public api, file a bug request against it, and ask for it to be made so. A few times, apple has seen the point, and changed the api, most of the time they don't, and I can't say why or why not, but that's for them to decide, not me, and personally, I think they're doing an excellent job. >>> I've seen posts on the apple developer lists where folks have asked for assistance, and gotten it. >>> These companies complaining they can't use apple's apis probably aren't following gui guidelines. I'd ask those companies how many enhancement requests they have filed with apple to get things opened up for use. If they can't give you bug report numbers, then they're not doing their job properly, and dumping it on apple claiming they haven't done anything is not the way to convince me apple is not doing their part. >>> Anyone can look up bug reports, so go ahead, ask them for bug reports, and then go look them up yourself and see if what they are complaining about is what they said in the bug report. If not, then again, I have no interest in continuing the conversation. >>> Apple is doing the best they can with the materials they have. >>> Are they doing everything right? Heck no, but no company does, but complaining about things w/o taking any steps to solve it when those steps are clerly identified in many publicly available places is just plain silly. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> >> Chris >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed May 4 22:40:44 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 14:40:44 -0700 Subject: reverting back to old safari In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Use webkit. I have not used safari in over 6 month now lol! http://webkit.org. Take care. if you want to revert go to your time machine and search for an older copy and move it back to the apps folder. I hope that works. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 4, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > How to do you go back to the older version of safari? The newer version is always saying busy all the time, and lots of pages I go to are virtually unuseable now. This is totally annoying! > > I am going to write apple about this, as if it'll do any good. > > Cait, having a hissy fit today, between this and my vm problems > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed May 4 22:51:37 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 14:51:37 -0700 Subject: Apple Soliciting Customer Feedback With New 'Pulse' Program Message-ID: <4315AE4F-3255-4E70-88B1-07C19EE8BAAD@gmail.com> interesting consept. Read below. Apple Soliciting Customer Feedback With New 'Pulse' Program Several MacRumors have informed us in recent days that they have received email invitations to join "Apple Customer Pulse", a program designed to allow customers to provide survey feedback about their product purchases to Apple. http://bit.ly/kJD18k From rose at chicksdigmacs.net Wed May 4 23:00:05 2011 From: rose at chicksdigmacs.net (Rose Morales) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 18:00:05 -0400 Subject: Apple Soliciting Customer Feedback With New 'Pulse' Program In-Reply-To: <4315AE4F-3255-4E70-88B1-07C19EE8BAAD@gmail.com> References: <4315AE4F-3255-4E70-88B1-07C19EE8BAAD@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yeah, I received such an email, filled out the survey, and joined the research panel. I was asked to answer questions about the Apple products I own. These being the iPhone 3gS, Macbook Pro, and my iPod nano. What I also found interesting was that they asked about my ethnicity, household income, who lives in my house, what kind of house I live in, and the amount of education I've completed. I'm not so keen on people deducing things about me based upon such statistics. As to not get too heated, I'll say no more on that. What I'm wondering is how they choose customers to participate in this survey. As in, what criteria are they using? It should certainly be interesting to see what the future holds for this program. Rose On May 4, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > interesting consept. Read below. > > Apple Soliciting Customer Feedback With New 'Pulse' Program > > > Several MacRumors have informed us in recent days that they have received email invitations to join "Apple Customer Pulse", a program designed to allow customers to provide survey feedback about their product purchases to Apple. > > http://bit.ly/kJD18k > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed May 4 23:54:02 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 15:54:02 -0700 Subject: Apple Soliciting Customer Feedback With New 'Pulse' Program In-Reply-To: References: <4315AE4F-3255-4E70-88B1-07C19EE8BAAD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <07B17A27-AFFA-45D3-9E39-623BA478DE9A@gmail.com> yeh I don't think I got such an email but we'll see. 'm thikinkingon getting more involved in apple's testing of products so we'll see. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 4, 2011, at 3:00 PM, Rose Morales wrote: > Yeah, I received such an email, filled out the survey, and joined the research panel. I was asked to answer questions about the Apple products I own. These being the iPhone 3gS, Macbook Pro, and my iPod nano. What I also found interesting was that they asked about my ethnicity, household income, who lives in my house, what kind of house I live in, and the amount of education I've completed. I'm not so keen on people deducing things about me based upon such statistics. As to not get too heated, I'll say no more on that. What I'm wondering is how they choose customers to participate in this survey. As in, what criteria are they using? It should certainly be interesting to see what the future holds for this program. > Rose > > On May 4, 2011, at 5:51 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> interesting consept. Read below. >> >> Apple Soliciting Customer Feedback With New 'Pulse' Program >> >> >> Several MacRumors have informed us in recent days that they have received email invitations to join "Apple Customer Pulse", a program designed to allow customers to provide survey feedback about their product purchases to Apple. >> >> http://bit.ly/kJD18k >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu May 5 00:29:13 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 16:29:13 -0700 Subject: option click and updating iphone firmware Message-ID: <212EDEFC-BCBD-413B-B330-48D96FBFFCD8@gmail.com> Hello I had someone download the software only as they had to leave and go somewhere and take there phone. I had them option click with vo turned off to update the phone that usually works but I cannot understand why in there case it would not. no dialogue to choose a file came up. I am stuck at this point. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From krbarry at gmail.com Thu May 5 02:27:36 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Wed, 04 May 2011 21:27:36 -0400 Subject: deactivating all machines in itunes. In-Reply-To: <6199313D68D146E2B798C4257BC0469C@MainComputer> References: <6199313D68D146E2B798C4257BC0469C@MainComputer> Message-ID: <4dc1fd05.9182e50a.3c70.3d53@mx.google.com> You have to have five machines currently active in order to do that. and, you can only do it once a year. KB At 04:57 PM 5/4/2011, you wrote: >Hello Folks: > >I need to be able to deactivate all machines in iTunes; some of >which, I no longer have. Apparently, it can be done in the account >settings. Can someone walk me through that? > >Thanks all over the place gang. > > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature database 4628 (20091122) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >http://www.eset.com > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Thu May 5 03:19:04 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 21:19:04 -0500 Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it Message-ID: Well, All I can say is wow! We found an ipod 4g 8gb model in our local unclaimed baggage center, for $125, took it home, and just as soon as we got vo turned on (I was trying a three finger swipe instead of a three-finger tap), I spent about a minute in the vo practice mode, and then I was off and running. I'd read messages from others talking about how easy it was to use, but I got to tell you folks, if you don't have one, if you've got the means, go get one, there's nothing like it for ease of use, and the whole touch screen thing is no issue at all. I'm extremely happy with this thing, and I've had it a whole 2.5 hours. I don't know how to edit text fields yet (like web urls), but I'll just go look that up. We went for a walk, and I was using the ipod the whole time reading the getting started guide using voiceover, and never a hitch (except when we got out of range of our wireless network, and it wanted me to choose another one). Great stuff apple is doing here. Now, I really really really want an ipad. Anyway, I know others have already written their comments here, but I just had to tell someone how happy I am here, or I'd explode. :) Thank you Apple for producing such a product. Now I'm off to see what I can do to get some apps on it. From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu May 5 09:21:27 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 09:21:27 +0100 Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2BF16BAC-1B7F-4860-AD70-B745768E1734@blueyonder.co.uk> Welcome to the world of iOS Travis :) On 5 May 2011, at 03:19, Travis Siegel wrote: > Well, All I can say is wow! > We found an ipod 4g 8gb model in our local unclaimed baggage center, for $125, took it home, and just as soon as we got vo turned on (I was trying a three finger swipe instead of a three-finger tap), I spent about a minute in the vo practice mode, and then I was off and running. > I'd read messages from others talking about how easy it was to use, but I got to tell you folks, if you don't have one, if you've got the means, go get one, there's nothing like it for ease of use, and the whole touch screen thing is no issue at all. > I'm extremely happy with this thing, and I've had it a whole 2.5 hours. I don't know how to edit text fields yet (like web urls), but I'll just go look that up. We went for a walk, and I was using the ipod the whole time reading the getting started guide using voiceover, and never a hitch (except when we got out of range of our wireless network, and it wanted me to choose another one). > Great stuff apple is doing here. > Now, I really really really want an ipad. > Anyway, I know others have already written their comments here, but I just had to tell someone how happy I am here, or I'd explode. :) > Thank you Apple for producing such a product. > Now I'm off to see what I can do to get some apps on it. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From carol.pearson29 at googlemail.com Thu May 5 10:27:10 2011 From: carol.pearson29 at googlemail.com (Carol Pearson) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 10:27:10 +0100 Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it References: Message-ID: Yeah, I bought the Touch and now want a phone! -- Carol P ---- Original Message ---- From: "Travis Siegel" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 3:19 AM Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it > Well, All I can say is wow! > We found an ipod 4g 8gb model in our local unclaimed > baggage center, > for $125, took it home, and just as soon as we got vo > turned on (I > was trying a three finger swipe instead of a three-finger > tap), I > spent about a minute in the vo practice mode, and then I > was off and > running. > I'd read messages from others talking about how easy it > was to use, > but I got to tell you folks, if you don't have one, if > you've got the > means, go get one, there's nothing like it for ease of > use, and the > whole touch screen thing is no issue at all. > I'm extremely happy with this thing, and I've had it a > whole 2.5 > hours. I don't know how to edit text fields yet (like web > urls), but > I'll just go look that up. We went for a walk, and I was > using the > ipod the whole time reading the getting started guide > using > voiceover, and never a hitch (except when we got out of > range of our > wireless network, and it wanted me to choose another one). > Great stuff apple is doing here. > Now, I really really really want an ipad. > Anyway, I know others have already written their comments > here, but I > just had to tell someone how happy I am here, or I'd > explode. :) > Thank you Apple for producing such a product. > Now I'm off to see what I can do to get some apps on it. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, > spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options > periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com Thu May 5 12:25:02 2011 From: jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com (Jackie Cairns) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 12:25:02 +0100 Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5ABFE0157F4241E6818C8A0DD650A9FE@HP> I have the iPod Touch 64GB and an iPhone fourth gen 32GB, but hate the latter. I just love my iPod Touch, it does everything I want. But the phone? No, I prefer an ordinary Nokia with Talks on it. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm at work-ability.co.uk www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Carol Pearson Sent: 05 May 2011 10:27 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it Yeah, I bought the Touch and now want a phone! -- Carol P ---- Original Message ---- From: "Travis Siegel" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 3:19 AM Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it > Well, All I can say is wow! > We found an ipod 4g 8gb model in our local unclaimed baggage center, > for $125, took it home, and just as soon as we got vo turned on (I > was trying a three finger swipe instead of a three-finger tap), I > spent about a minute in the vo practice mode, and then I was off and > running. > I'd read messages from others talking about how easy it was to use, > but I got to tell you folks, if you don't have one, if you've got the > means, go get one, there's nothing like it for ease of use, and the > whole touch screen thing is no issue at all. > I'm extremely happy with this thing, and I've had it a whole 2.5 > hours. I don't know how to edit text fields yet (like web urls), but > I'll just go look that up. We went for a walk, and I was using the > ipod the whole time reading the getting started guide using voiceover, > and never a hitch (except when we got out of range of our wireless > network, and it wanted me to choose another one). > Great stuff apple is doing here. > Now, I really really really want an ipad. Anyway, I know others > have already written their comments here, but I just had to tell > someone how happy I am here, or I'd explode. :) Thank you Apple for > producing such a product. > Now I'm off to see what I can do to get some apps on it. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - Release Date: 05/04/11 19:34:00 From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu May 5 12:30:29 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 12:30:29 +0100 Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it In-Reply-To: <5ABFE0157F4241E6818C8A0DD650A9FE@HP> References: <5ABFE0157F4241E6818C8A0DD650A9FE@HP> Message-ID: <3E44EEB1-1DB8-4150-9EB3-1D4B78917498@blueyonder.co.uk> Why? I do not understand why you can love one and not the other? They run the same operating system. Is it because you miss having a physical keypad to type text messages on? On 5 May 2011, at 12:25, Jackie Cairns wrote: > I have the iPod Touch 64GB and an iPhone fourth gen 32GB, but hate the > latter. I just love my iPod Touch, it does everything I want. But the > phone? No, I prefer an ordinary Nokia with Talks on it. > > > Kind Regards, > > Jackie Cairns > J&M Work-Ability > > jandm at work-ability.co.uk > www.work-ability.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Carol Pearson > Sent: 05 May 2011 10:27 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it > > Yeah, I bought the Touch and now want a phone! > > -- > Carol P > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Travis Siegel" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 > 3:19 AM Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it > >> Well, All I can say is wow! >> We found an ipod 4g 8gb model in our local unclaimed baggage center, >> for $125, took it home, and just as soon as we got vo turned on (I >> was trying a three finger swipe instead of a three-finger tap), I >> spent about a minute in the vo practice mode, and then I was off and >> running. >> I'd read messages from others talking about how easy it was to use, >> but I got to tell you folks, if you don't have one, if you've got the >> means, go get one, there's nothing like it for ease of use, and the >> whole touch screen thing is no issue at all. >> I'm extremely happy with this thing, and I've had it a whole 2.5 >> hours. I don't know how to edit text fields yet (like web urls), but >> I'll just go look that up. We went for a walk, and I was using the >> ipod the whole time reading the getting started guide using voiceover, >> and never a hitch (except when we got out of range of our wireless >> network, and it wanted me to choose another one). >> Great stuff apple is doing here. >> Now, I really really really want an ipad. Anyway, I know others >> have already written their comments here, but I just had to tell >> someone how happy I am here, or I'd explode. :) Thank you Apple for >> producing such a product. >> Now I'm off to see what I can do to get some apps on it. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >> posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - Release Date: 05/04/11 > 19:34:00 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu May 5 12:29:50 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 13:29:50 +0200 Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it In-Reply-To: <5ABFE0157F4241E6818C8A0DD650A9FE@HP> References: <5ABFE0157F4241E6818C8A0DD650A9FE@HP> Message-ID: <3646FA5E-3DAA-4ABE-8180-D040F24840F9@gmail.com> Hi jackie, That's even more confusing, honestly. Why wouldn't you just buy one of them? Having an iPod and an iPhone seems a bit uch to me, but then, I guess I'm critical. The iPhone works just like the iPod, so why don't you like it? That's pretty curious. Regards, Nic On May 5, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Jackie Cairns wrote: > I have the iPod Touch 64GB and an iPhone fourth gen 32GB, but hate the > latter. I just love my iPod Touch, it does everything I want. But the > phone? No, I prefer an ordinary Nokia with Talks on it. > > > Kind Regards, > > Jackie Cairns > J&M Work-Ability > > jandm at work-ability.co.uk > www.work-ability.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Carol Pearson > Sent: 05 May 2011 10:27 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it > > Yeah, I bought the Touch and now want a phone! > > -- > Carol P > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Travis Siegel" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 > 3:19 AM Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it > >> Well, All I can say is wow! >> We found an ipod 4g 8gb model in our local unclaimed baggage center, >> for $125, took it home, and just as soon as we got vo turned on (I >> was trying a three finger swipe instead of a three-finger tap), I >> spent about a minute in the vo practice mode, and then I was off and >> running. >> I'd read messages from others talking about how easy it was to use, >> but I got to tell you folks, if you don't have one, if you've got the >> means, go get one, there's nothing like it for ease of use, and the >> whole touch screen thing is no issue at all. >> I'm extremely happy with this thing, and I've had it a whole 2.5 >> hours. I don't know how to edit text fields yet (like web urls), but >> I'll just go look that up. We went for a walk, and I was using the >> ipod the whole time reading the getting started guide using voiceover, >> and never a hitch (except when we got out of range of our wireless >> network, and it wanted me to choose another one). >> Great stuff apple is doing here. >> Now, I really really really want an ipad. Anyway, I know others >> have already written their comments here, but I just had to tell >> someone how happy I am here, or I'd explode. :) Thank you Apple for >> producing such a product. >> Now I'm off to see what I can do to get some apps on it. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >> posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - Release Date: 05/04/11 > 19:34:00 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Thu May 5 13:14:18 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 08:14:18 -0400 Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it In-Reply-To: <5ABFE0157F4241E6818C8A0DD650A9FE@HP> References: <5ABFE0157F4241E6818C8A0DD650A9FE@HP> Message-ID: <9E8364C0-241B-40E1-82C9-98A08CE9C21B@gmail.com> I also have an ipod touch 4th gen 64 GB and an iphone 32 GB 3gs, and each serves its own purposes for me, with some overlapping apps that I can use on either. The touch is great for listening to podcasts, playing games, using Skype, and many other tasks that would drain the phone's battery in no time. On the other hand, the phone is great for obviously having a phone wherever I go, let alone having access to mail, Safari, and many other apps with 3G that would not be available to me with my touch without wifi. Marcy On May 5, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Jackie Cairns wrote: > I have the iPod Touch 64GB and an iPhone fourth gen 32GB, but hate the > latter. I just love my iPod Touch, it does everything I want. But the > phone? No, I prefer an ordinary Nokia with Talks on it. > > > Kind Regards, > > Jackie Cairns > J&M Work-Ability > > jandm at work-ability.co.uk > www.work-ability.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Carol Pearson > Sent: 05 May 2011 10:27 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it > > Yeah, I bought the Touch and now want a phone! > > -- > Carol P > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Travis Siegel" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 > 3:19 AM Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it > >> Well, All I can say is wow! >> We found an ipod 4g 8gb model in our local unclaimed baggage center, >> for $125, took it home, and just as soon as we got vo turned on (I >> was trying a three finger swipe instead of a three-finger tap), I >> spent about a minute in the vo practice mode, and then I was off and >> running. >> I'd read messages from others talking about how easy it was to use, >> but I got to tell you folks, if you don't have one, if you've got the >> means, go get one, there's nothing like it for ease of use, and the >> whole touch screen thing is no issue at all. >> I'm extremely happy with this thing, and I've had it a whole 2.5 >> hours. I don't know how to edit text fields yet (like web urls), but >> I'll just go look that up. We went for a walk, and I was using the >> ipod the whole time reading the getting started guide using voiceover, >> and never a hitch (except when we got out of range of our wireless >> network, and it wanted me to choose another one). >> Great stuff apple is doing here. >> Now, I really really really want an ipad. Anyway, I know others >> have already written their comments here, but I just had to tell >> someone how happy I am here, or I'd explode. :) Thank you Apple for >> producing such a product. >> Now I'm off to see what I can do to get some apps on it. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >> posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - Release Date: 05/04/11 > 19:34:00 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com Thu May 5 14:10:35 2011 From: jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com (Jackie Cairns) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 14:10:35 +0100 Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it In-Reply-To: <3E44EEB1-1DB8-4150-9EB3-1D4B78917498@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <5ABFE0157F4241E6818C8A0DD650A9FE@HP> <3E44EEB1-1DB8-4150-9EB3-1D4B78917498@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <42F436262B57477293CF25A029933696@HP> Yes, it's down to preference, and I don't like the iPhone part of it and the way you can't forward messages in the same way you do on the Symbian OS. But, as I say, it is preference. So glad you like your iPod Touch, I love mine too. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm at work-ability.co.uk www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: 05 May 2011 12:30 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it Why? I do not understand why you can love one and not the other? They run the same operating system. Is it because you miss having a physical keypad to type text messages on? On 5 May 2011, at 12:25, Jackie Cairns wrote: > I have the iPod Touch 64GB and an iPhone fourth gen 32GB, but hate the > latter. I just love my iPod Touch, it does everything I want. But > the phone? No, I prefer an ordinary Nokia with Talks on it. > > > Kind Regards, > > Jackie Cairns > J&M Work-Ability > > jandm at work-ability.co.uk > www.work-ability.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Carol Pearson > Sent: 05 May 2011 10:27 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it > > Yeah, I bought the Touch and now want a phone! > > -- > Carol P > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Travis Siegel" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 > 3:19 AM Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it > >> Well, All I can say is wow! >> We found an ipod 4g 8gb model in our local unclaimed baggage center, >> for $125, took it home, and just as soon as we got vo turned on (I >> was trying a three finger swipe instead of a three-finger tap), I >> spent about a minute in the vo practice mode, and then I was off and >> running. >> I'd read messages from others talking about how easy it was to use, >> but I got to tell you folks, if you don't have one, if you've got the >> means, go get one, there's nothing like it for ease of use, and the >> whole touch screen thing is no issue at all. >> I'm extremely happy with this thing, and I've had it a whole 2.5 >> hours. I don't know how to edit text fields yet (like web urls), but >> I'll just go look that up. We went for a walk, and I was using the >> ipod the whole time reading the getting started guide using >> voiceover, and never a hitch (except when we got out of range of our >> wireless network, and it wanted me to choose another one). >> Great stuff apple is doing here. >> Now, I really really really want an ipad. Anyway, I know >> others have already written their comments here, but I just had to >> tell someone how happy I am here, or I'd explode. :) Thank you Apple >> for producing such a product. >> Now I'm off to see what I can do to get some apps on it. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >> posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - Release Date: > 05/04/11 19:34:00 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - Release Date: 05/04/11 19:34:00 From jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com Thu May 5 14:15:07 2011 From: jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com (Jackie Cairns) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 14:15:07 +0100 Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it In-Reply-To: <3646FA5E-3DAA-4ABE-8180-D040F24840F9@gmail.com> References: <5ABFE0157F4241E6818C8A0DD650A9FE@HP> <3646FA5E-3DAA-4ABE-8180-D040F24840F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi I got my iPod Touch for Christmas from my partner, and absolutely love it. Then something happened to my N82 Nokia handset and the network carrier I was with lost it. So they gave me an iPhone fourth gen as they couldn't replace like-for-like. But I've struggled with the phone part of it, and I've just decided I prefer a proper keypad I can text on far quicker than I can write on the touch screen on the iPhone. The iPod Touch is great because I have music and apps on it I have bought. But the iPhone? Yes they are similar, but I just don't like or want the phone, so my son is having it and I'm going back to a regular handset. I hope that explains it for you. It was never my intention to have both, but that was what happened, and how I came to have the two. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm at work-ability.co.uk www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen Sent: 05 May 2011 12:30 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it Hi jackie, That's even more confusing, honestly. Why wouldn't you just buy one of them? Having an iPod and an iPhone seems a bit uch to me, but then, I guess I'm critical. The iPhone works just like the iPod, so why don't you like it? That's pretty curious. Regards, Nic On May 5, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Jackie Cairns wrote: > I have the iPod Touch 64GB and an iPhone fourth gen 32GB, but hate the > latter. I just love my iPod Touch, it does everything I want. But > the phone? No, I prefer an ordinary Nokia with Talks on it. > > > Kind Regards, > > Jackie Cairns > J&M Work-Ability > > jandm at work-ability.co.uk > www.work-ability.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Carol Pearson > Sent: 05 May 2011 10:27 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it > > Yeah, I bought the Touch and now want a phone! > > -- > Carol P > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Travis Siegel" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 > 3:19 AM Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it > >> Well, All I can say is wow! >> We found an ipod 4g 8gb model in our local unclaimed baggage center, >> for $125, took it home, and just as soon as we got vo turned on (I >> was trying a three finger swipe instead of a three-finger tap), I >> spent about a minute in the vo practice mode, and then I was off and >> running. >> I'd read messages from others talking about how easy it was to use, >> but I got to tell you folks, if you don't have one, if you've got the >> means, go get one, there's nothing like it for ease of use, and the >> whole touch screen thing is no issue at all. >> I'm extremely happy with this thing, and I've had it a whole 2.5 >> hours. I don't know how to edit text fields yet (like web urls), but >> I'll just go look that up. We went for a walk, and I was using the >> ipod the whole time reading the getting started guide using >> voiceover, and never a hitch (except when we got out of range of our >> wireless network, and it wanted me to choose another one). >> Great stuff apple is doing here. >> Now, I really really really want an ipad. Anyway, I know >> others have already written their comments here, but I just had to >> tell someone how happy I am here, or I'd explode. :) Thank you Apple >> for producing such a product. >> Now I'm off to see what I can do to get some apps on it. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >> posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - Release Date: > 05/04/11 19:34:00 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - Release Date: 05/04/11 19:34:00 From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu May 5 16:53:22 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 16:53:22 +0100 Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it In-Reply-To: <42F436262B57477293CF25A029933696@HP> References: <5ABFE0157F4241E6818C8A0DD650A9FE@HP> <3E44EEB1-1DB8-4150-9EB3-1D4B78917498@blueyonder.co.uk> <42F436262B57477293CF25A029933696@HP> Message-ID: <8A4FAA2D-254C-4060-9478-A3C321894D2B@blueyonder.co.uk> It is very easy to forward messages on the iPhone, whilst in the message just hit edit, then hit the switch next to the message you wish to forward, press forward and select the person(s) you wish to send to. Mind I must admit it is a pain having to add each person individually, I did like the way Nokia allowed you to place a x in the box next to the person you wish to send the message to, you could select more than one and then hit ok when done. Also the only way you can create groups on the iPhone is via the Address Book on the Mac (no Windows support is available here). On 5 May 2011, at 14:10, Jackie Cairns wrote: > Yes, it's down to preference, and I don't like the iPhone part of it and the > way you can't forward messages in the same way you do on the Symbian OS. > But, as I say, it is preference. So glad you like your iPod Touch, I love > mine too. > > > Kind Regards, > > Jackie Cairns > J&M Work-Ability > > jandm at work-ability.co.uk > www.work-ability.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris Moore > Sent: 05 May 2011 12:30 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it > > Why? I do not understand why you can love one and not the other? They run > the same operating system. Is it because you miss having a physical keypad > to type text messages on? > On 5 May 2011, at 12:25, Jackie Cairns wrote: > >> I have the iPod Touch 64GB and an iPhone fourth gen 32GB, but hate the >> latter. I just love my iPod Touch, it does everything I want. But >> the phone? No, I prefer an ordinary Nokia with Talks on it. >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Jackie Cairns >> J&M Work-Ability >> >> jandm at work-ability.co.uk >> www.work-ability.co.uk >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Carol Pearson >> Sent: 05 May 2011 10:27 >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it >> >> Yeah, I bought the Touch and now want a phone! >> >> -- >> Carol P >> ---- Original Message ---- >> From: "Travis Siegel" >> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 >> 3:19 AM Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it >> >>> Well, All I can say is wow! >>> We found an ipod 4g 8gb model in our local unclaimed baggage center, >>> for $125, took it home, and just as soon as we got vo turned on (I >>> was trying a three finger swipe instead of a three-finger tap), I >>> spent about a minute in the vo practice mode, and then I was off and >>> running. >>> I'd read messages from others talking about how easy it was to use, >>> but I got to tell you folks, if you don't have one, if you've got the >>> means, go get one, there's nothing like it for ease of use, and the >>> whole touch screen thing is no issue at all. >>> I'm extremely happy with this thing, and I've had it a whole 2.5 >>> hours. I don't know how to edit text fields yet (like web urls), but >>> I'll just go look that up. We went for a walk, and I was using the >>> ipod the whole time reading the getting started guide using >>> voiceover, and never a hitch (except when we got out of range of our >>> wireless network, and it wanted me to choose another one). >>> Great stuff apple is doing here. >>> Now, I really really really want an ipad. Anyway, I know >>> others have already written their comments here, but I just had to >>> tell someone how happy I am here, or I'd explode. :) Thank you Apple >>> for producing such a product. >>> Now I'm off to see what I can do to get some apps on it. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >>> posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - Release Date: >> 05/04/11 19:34:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - Release Date: 05/04/11 > 19:34:00 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Thu May 5 17:21:34 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 17:21:34 +0100 Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it In-Reply-To: <8A4FAA2D-254C-4060-9478-A3C321894D2B@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <5ABFE0157F4241E6818C8A0DD650A9FE@HP> <3E44EEB1-1DB8-4150-9EB3-1D4B78917498@blueyonder.co.uk> <42F436262B57477293CF25A029933696@HP> <8A4FAA2D-254C-4060-9478-A3C321894D2B@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: I have an ipod touch but quite a few people i know on this list personaly have ipods and iphones and i will be upgrading to an iphone as i find that the nokias are becoming less accessable to us now. Ian McNamara From carol.pearson29 at googlemail.com Thu May 5 17:57:40 2011 From: carol.pearson29 at googlemail.com (Carol Pearson) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 17:57:40 +0100 Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it References: <5ABFE0157F4241E6818C8A0DD650A9FE@HP><3E44EEB1-1DB8-4150-9EB3-1D4B78917498@blueyonder.co.uk> <42F436262B57477293CF25A029933696@HP> Message-ID: <24542251F45C4536AEB9B04EAD803F4E@FABIAN2> I don't usually do multiple forwards, just the occasional group message from scratch. Is there a decent way to do that on the IPhone please? -- Carol P ---- Original Message ---- From: "Jackie Cairns" To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 2:10 PM Subject: RE: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it > Yes, it's down to preference, and I don't like the iPhone > part of it and the > way you can't forward messages in the same way you do on > the Symbian OS. > But, as I say, it is preference. So glad you like your > iPod Touch, I love > mine too. > > > Kind Regards, > > Jackie Cairns > J&M Work-Ability > > jandm at work-ability.co.uk > www.work-ability.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of > Chris Moore > Sent: 05 May 2011 12:30 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it > > Why? I do not understand why you can love one and not the > other? They run > the same operating system. Is it because you miss having > a physical keypad > to type text messages on? > On 5 May 2011, at 12:25, Jackie Cairns wrote: > >> I have the iPod Touch 64GB and an iPhone fourth gen >> 32GB, but hate the latter. I just love my iPod Touch, >> it does everything I want. But >> the phone? No, I prefer an ordinary Nokia with Talks on >> it. >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Jackie Cairns >> J&M Work-Ability >> >> jandm at work-ability.co.uk >> www.work-ability.co.uk >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of >> Carol Pearson Sent: 05 May 2011 10:27 >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it >> >> Yeah, I bought the Touch and now want a phone! >> >> -- >> Carol P >> ---- Original Message ---- >> From: "Travis Siegel" >> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 >> 3:19 AM Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it >> >>> Well, All I can say is wow! >>> We found an ipod 4g 8gb model in our local unclaimed >>> baggage center, for $125, took it home, and just as >>> soon as we got vo turned on (I was trying a three >>> finger swipe instead of a three-finger tap), I spent >>> about a minute in the vo practice mode, and then I was >>> off and running. >>> I'd read messages from others talking about how easy it >>> was to use, but I got to tell you folks, if you don't >>> have one, if you've got the means, go get one, there's >>> nothing like it for ease of use, and the whole touch >>> screen thing is no issue at all. >>> I'm extremely happy with this thing, and I've had it a >>> whole 2.5 hours. I don't know how to edit text fields >>> yet (like web urls), but I'll just go look that up. We >>> went for a walk, and I was using the ipod the whole >>> time reading the getting started guide using voiceover, >>> and never a hitch (except when we got out of range of >>> our wireless network, and it wanted me to choose >>> another one). >>> Great stuff apple is doing here. >>> Now, I really really really want an ipad. >>> Anyway, I know others have already written their >>> comments here, but I just had to tell someone how happy >>> I am here, or I'd explode. :) Thank you Apple for >>> producing such a product. >>> Now I'm off to see what I can do to get some apps on it. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >>> posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, >>> spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options >>> periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >> posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, >> spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options >> periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - >> Release Date: 05/04/11 19:34:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >> posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, >> spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options >> periodically by visiting > the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, > spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options > periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - Release > Date: 05/04/11 19:34:00 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, > spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options > periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Thu May 5 18:59:59 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 18:59:59 +0100 Subject: Ipod nano 6g Message-ID: hi all how good please is the battery life on the ipod nano 6g? I just got a used one. I assume that I can play audible.com books on it if I wish? From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu May 5 19:08:04 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 19:08:04 +0100 Subject: Ipod nano 6g In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <81C896AF-DB26-4D60-BA06-38A0EF2698AA@blueyonder.co.uk> I think the battery is about 12 hours? Yes you can play audible which you authorise via iTunes On 5 May 2011, at 18:59, william lomas wrote: > hi all how good please is the battery life on the ipod nano 6g? > I just got a used one. I assume that I can play audible.com books on it if I wish? > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Thu May 5 19:18:44 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 19:18:44 +0100 Subject: Ipod nano 6g In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello William, I have owned an ipod Nano G6 for about a year. It does indeed play audio books from Audible. Battery life is improved by the latest software upgrade which includes a long press on the screen off key to turn off the Nano completely. The radio is rather greedy on the battery, about twice the battery drain of playing audio books. If I don't use the radio I get about 8 hours of audio books between battery re-charges. Considering the small size of the Nano G6 you cannot reasonably expect long battery life. I am very pleased I got the Nano G6 as it meets all my listening needs in one small package. It is fully accessible via its onboard VoiceOver. Best regards..... Paul Hopewell recharge.between battery Just playing usagebattery of laying audio books. On 5 May 2011, at 18:59, william lomas wrote: > hi all how good please is the battery life on the ipod nano 6g? > I just got a used one. I assume that I can play audible.com books on it if I wish? > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Thu May 5 20:43:09 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 20:43:09 +0100 Subject: battery drain Message-ID: hi the ipod nano has one of the worst batteries in any device i ahve seen dropping form 90 percent to seventy two with just a bit of voiceover usage? apple should be ashamed of themselves, the iphone can do a better job than this ipod lol rediculous. iw ill give it a full charge though From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Thu May 5 20:46:09 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 20:46:09 +0100 Subject: Ipod nano 6g In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5724A9EE-B1E5-43A8-BE4A-0DFA6D8CD366@gmail.com> the drain on mine has hsot down and i ahve hardly done anythingw ith it On 5 May 2011, at 19:18, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello William, > I have owned an ipod Nano G6 for about a year. It does indeed play audio books from Audible. Battery life is improved by the latest software upgrade which includes a long press on the screen off key to turn off the Nano completely. The radio is rather greedy on the battery, about twice the battery drain of playing audio books. If I don't use the radio I get about 8 hours of audio books between battery re-charges. Considering the small size of the Nano G6 you cannot reasonably expect long battery life. > I am very pleased I got the Nano G6 as it meets all my listening needs in one small package. It is fully accessible via its onboard VoiceOver. > Best regards..... > > Paul Hopewell > recharge.between battery Just playing usagebattery of laying audio books. > On 5 May 2011, at 18:59, william lomas wrote: > >> hi all how good please is the battery life on the ipod nano 6g? >> I just got a used one. I assume that I can play audible.com books on it if I wish? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu May 5 20:51:48 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 12:51:48 -0700 Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it In-Reply-To: <42F436262B57477293CF25A029933696@HP> References: <5ABFE0157F4241E6818C8A0DD650A9FE@HP> <3E44EEB1-1DB8-4150-9EB3-1D4B78917498@blueyonder.co.uk> <42F436262B57477293CF25A029933696@HP> Message-ID: <79F66FE8-D442-42BB-B7BB-6A6795EE6A85@gmail.com> Actually you can. look for a neat little program called you mail. I'm trying it out and have forwarded a message or to already. take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 5, 2011, at 6:10 AM, Jackie Cairns wrote: > Yes, it's down to preference, and I don't like the iPhone part of it and the > way you can't forward messages in the same way you do on the Symbian OS. > But, as I say, it is preference. So glad you like your iPod Touch, I love > mine too. > > > Kind Regards, > > Jackie Cairns > J&M Work-Ability > > jandm at work-ability.co.uk > www.work-ability.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris Moore > Sent: 05 May 2011 12:30 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it > > Why? I do not understand why you can love one and not the other? They run > the same operating system. Is it because you miss having a physical keypad > to type text messages on? > On 5 May 2011, at 12:25, Jackie Cairns wrote: > >> I have the iPod Touch 64GB and an iPhone fourth gen 32GB, but hate the >> latter. I just love my iPod Touch, it does everything I want. But >> the phone? No, I prefer an ordinary Nokia with Talks on it. >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Jackie Cairns >> J&M Work-Ability >> >> jandm at work-ability.co.uk >> www.work-ability.co.uk >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Carol Pearson >> Sent: 05 May 2011 10:27 >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it >> >> Yeah, I bought the Touch and now want a phone! >> >> -- >> Carol P >> ---- Original Message ---- >> From: "Travis Siegel" >> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 >> 3:19 AM Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it >> >>> Well, All I can say is wow! >>> We found an ipod 4g 8gb model in our local unclaimed baggage center, >>> for $125, took it home, and just as soon as we got vo turned on (I >>> was trying a three finger swipe instead of a three-finger tap), I >>> spent about a minute in the vo practice mode, and then I was off and >>> running. >>> I'd read messages from others talking about how easy it was to use, >>> but I got to tell you folks, if you don't have one, if you've got the >>> means, go get one, there's nothing like it for ease of use, and the >>> whole touch screen thing is no issue at all. >>> I'm extremely happy with this thing, and I've had it a whole 2.5 >>> hours. I don't know how to edit text fields yet (like web urls), but >>> I'll just go look that up. We went for a walk, and I was using the >>> ipod the whole time reading the getting started guide using >>> voiceover, and never a hitch (except when we got out of range of our >>> wireless network, and it wanted me to choose another one). >>> Great stuff apple is doing here. >>> Now, I really really really want an ipad. Anyway, I know >>> others have already written their comments here, but I just had to >>> tell someone how happy I am here, or I'd explode. :) Thank you Apple >>> for producing such a product. >>> Now I'm off to see what I can do to get some apps on it. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >>> posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - Release Date: >> 05/04/11 19:34:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - Release Date: 05/04/11 > 19:34:00 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu May 5 20:52:57 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 12:52:57 -0700 Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it In-Reply-To: <8A4FAA2D-254C-4060-9478-A3C321894D2B@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <5ABFE0157F4241E6818C8A0DD650A9FE@HP> <3E44EEB1-1DB8-4150-9EB3-1D4B78917498@blueyonder.co.uk> <42F436262B57477293CF25A029933696@HP> <8A4FAA2D-254C-4060-9478-A3C321894D2B@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <91A07010-176A-4804-9437-3C2E220AAD40@gmail.com> No no no. you canot forward voicemails. I do this all the time or will be don git all the time from now on wiht you mail. it is simpler to use then the visuall voice mail. Watch for a podcast if I get my stuff set up lol! Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 5, 2011, at 8:53 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > It is very easy to forward messages on the iPhone, whilst in the message just hit edit, then hit the switch next to the message you wish to forward, press forward and select the person(s) you wish to send to. Mind I must admit it is a pain having to add each person individually, I did like the way Nokia allowed you to place a x in the box next to the person you wish to send the message to, you could select more than one and then hit ok when done. Also the only way you can create groups on the iPhone is via the Address Book on the Mac (no Windows support is available here). > On 5 May 2011, at 14:10, Jackie Cairns wrote: > >> Yes, it's down to preference, and I don't like the iPhone part of it and the >> way you can't forward messages in the same way you do on the Symbian OS. >> But, as I say, it is preference. So glad you like your iPod Touch, I love >> mine too. >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Jackie Cairns >> J&M Work-Ability >> >> jandm at work-ability.co.uk >> www.work-ability.co.uk >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris Moore >> Sent: 05 May 2011 12:30 >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it >> >> Why? I do not understand why you can love one and not the other? They run >> the same operating system. Is it because you miss having a physical keypad >> to type text messages on? >> On 5 May 2011, at 12:25, Jackie Cairns wrote: >> >>> I have the iPod Touch 64GB and an iPhone fourth gen 32GB, but hate the >>> latter. I just love my iPod Touch, it does everything I want. But >>> the phone? No, I prefer an ordinary Nokia with Talks on it. >>> >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> Jackie Cairns >>> J&M Work-Ability >>> >>> jandm at work-ability.co.uk >>> www.work-ability.co.uk >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >>> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Carol Pearson >>> Sent: 05 May 2011 10:27 >>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>> Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it >>> >>> Yeah, I bought the Touch and now want a phone! >>> >>> -- >>> Carol P >>> ---- Original Message ---- >>> From: "Travis Siegel" >>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 >>> 3:19 AM Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it >>> >>>> Well, All I can say is wow! >>>> We found an ipod 4g 8gb model in our local unclaimed baggage center, >>>> for $125, took it home, and just as soon as we got vo turned on (I >>>> was trying a three finger swipe instead of a three-finger tap), I >>>> spent about a minute in the vo practice mode, and then I was off and >>>> running. >>>> I'd read messages from others talking about how easy it was to use, >>>> but I got to tell you folks, if you don't have one, if you've got the >>>> means, go get one, there's nothing like it for ease of use, and the >>>> whole touch screen thing is no issue at all. >>>> I'm extremely happy with this thing, and I've had it a whole 2.5 >>>> hours. I don't know how to edit text fields yet (like web urls), but >>>> I'll just go look that up. We went for a walk, and I was using the >>>> ipod the whole time reading the getting started guide using >>>> voiceover, and never a hitch (except when we got out of range of our >>>> wireless network, and it wanted me to choose another one). >>>> Great stuff apple is doing here. >>>> Now, I really really really want an ipad. Anyway, I know >>>> others have already written their comments here, but I just had to >>>> tell someone how happy I am here, or I'd explode. :) Thank you Apple >>>> for producing such a product. >>>> Now I'm off to see what I can do to get some apps on it. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >>>> posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >>> Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - Release Date: >>> 05/04/11 19:34:00 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - Release Date: 05/04/11 >> 19:34:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu May 5 20:53:26 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 12:53:26 -0700 Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it In-Reply-To: <24542251F45C4536AEB9B04EAD803F4E@FABIAN2> References: <5ABFE0157F4241E6818C8A0DD650A9FE@HP><3E44EEB1-1DB8-4150-9EB3-1D4B78917498@blueyonder.co.uk> <42F436262B57477293CF25A029933696@HP> <24542251F45C4536AEB9B04EAD803F4E@FABIAN2> Message-ID: <119F565D-3AFD-40BF-B9EA-4A08BCE6E19D@gmail.com> Yeah there's a thing called group text. the dev is working hard to make it accessibil and he already has done a lot. check it out. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 5, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Carol Pearson wrote: > I don't usually do multiple forwards, just the occasional group message from scratch. Is there a decent way to do that on the IPhone please? > > -- > Carol P > ---- Original Message ---- > From: "Jackie Cairns" > To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 > 2:10 PM Subject: RE: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it > >> Yes, it's down to preference, and I don't like the iPhone >> part of it and the >> way you can't forward messages in the same way you do on >> the Symbian OS. >> But, as I say, it is preference. So glad you like your >> iPod Touch, I love >> mine too. >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Jackie Cairns >> J&M Work-Ability >> >> jandm at work-ability.co.uk >> www.work-ability.co.uk >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of >> Chris Moore >> Sent: 05 May 2011 12:30 >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it >> >> Why? I do not understand why you can love one and not the >> other? They run >> the same operating system. Is it because you miss having >> a physical keypad >> to type text messages on? >> On 5 May 2011, at 12:25, Jackie Cairns wrote: >> >>> I have the iPod Touch 64GB and an iPhone fourth gen >>> 32GB, but hate the latter. I just love my iPod Touch, >>> it does everything I want. But >>> the phone? No, I prefer an ordinary Nokia with Talks on >>> it. >>> >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> Jackie Cairns >>> J&M Work-Ability >>> >>> jandm at work-ability.co.uk >>> www.work-ability.co.uk >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >>> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of >>> Carol Pearson Sent: 05 May 2011 10:27 >>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>> Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it >>> >>> Yeah, I bought the Touch and now want a phone! >>> >>> -- >>> Carol P >>> ---- Original Message ---- >>> From: "Travis Siegel" >>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 >>> 3:19 AM Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it >>> >>>> Well, All I can say is wow! >>>> We found an ipod 4g 8gb model in our local unclaimed >>>> baggage center, for $125, took it home, and just as >>>> soon as we got vo turned on (I was trying a three >>>> finger swipe instead of a three-finger tap), I spent >>>> about a minute in the vo practice mode, and then I was >>>> off and running. >>>> I'd read messages from others talking about how easy it >>>> was to use, but I got to tell you folks, if you don't >>>> have one, if you've got the means, go get one, there's >>>> nothing like it for ease of use, and the whole touch >>>> screen thing is no issue at all. >>>> I'm extremely happy with this thing, and I've had it a >>>> whole 2.5 hours. I don't know how to edit text fields >>>> yet (like web urls), but I'll just go look that up. We >>>> went for a walk, and I was using the ipod the whole >>>> time reading the getting started guide using voiceover, >>>> and never a hitch (except when we got out of range of >>>> our wireless network, and it wanted me to choose >>>> another one). >>>> Great stuff apple is doing here. >>>> Now, I really really really want an ipad. >>>> Anyway, I know others have already written their >>>> comments here, but I just had to tell someone how happy >>>> I am here, or I'd explode. :) Thank you Apple for >>>> producing such a product. >>>> Now I'm off to see what I can do to get some apps on it. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >>>> posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, >>>> spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options >>>> periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >>> posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, >>> spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options >>> periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - >>> Release Date: 05/04/11 19:34:00 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >>> posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, >>> spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options >>> periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >> posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, >> spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options >> periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - Release >> Date: 05/04/11 19:34:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >> posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, >> spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options >> periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Thu May 5 21:41:12 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 21:41:12 +0100 Subject: [Delayed]; New Member Welcome Message-ID: <6F0CE889-278C-4D57-8040-3E5BA4039F4F@mac-access.net> > Hello everybody > > Please do not reply to this thread on list unless your reply has a direct relevance to their Mac use or interest. > > It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome Eric Whitten to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. > > We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. > > In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but have a keen interest. > > We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. > > Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope this clarifies the position. > > If you have any list-related queries, please do not hesitate to contact either Gordon and myself, (the list owners), at , or one of our very capable assistant list controllers; Anne Robertson, or James Austin, and we will be happy to help you. > > Once again, a very warm welcome to the group. We hope you find your membership an enjoyable experience. > > Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. > > If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: > http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha > > Lynne From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Thu May 5 22:12:59 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 22:12:59 +0100 Subject: podcasts syncing on ipod Message-ID: <97FF6090-19DF-438B-B776-3B7AC79D4F91@gmail.com> hi all ok I wish to sync selected podcasts to my nano. do I have to check the box in the Podcasts table for the one I wish to sync or how please does this work? From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu May 5 22:22:40 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 14:22:40 -0700 Subject: podcasts syncing on ipod In-Reply-To: <97FF6090-19DF-438B-B776-3B7AC79D4F91@gmail.com> References: <97FF6090-19DF-438B-B776-3B7AC79D4F91@gmail.com> Message-ID: <16FCF5F0-E23E-46FA-9E9A-4CDED239DBF5@gmail.com> Yeppers you do. check sync selected podcasts and check the podcasts you want to sync. the thing might be dimmed but just hit space on the check box anyway for that to work. it is a bug in voice over or maybe itunes. not sure. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 5, 2011, at 2:12 PM, william lomas wrote: > hi all ok I wish to sync selected podcasts to my nano. do I have to check the box in the Podcasts table for the one I wish to sync or how please does this work? > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Thu May 5 23:46:46 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 23:46:46 +0100 Subject: Betcha We're In Trouble! Message-ID: <918835D8-DAAF-4122-BAA3-DA99DE53629D@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Well, I cheated! I did what they say not to do and created another System Access account to buy DocuScan Plus. It was the only way since they don't understand why they're getting this problem on their website where some users are being prompted to install and activate System Access even when they don't have a Windows OS. So we'll see what happens; if they accept the purchase or not. If they don't, that's it! We'll just have to start hunting again won't we. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu May 5 23:50:27 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 15:50:27 -0700 Subject: Betcha We're In Trouble! In-Reply-To: <918835D8-DAAF-4122-BAA3-DA99DE53629D@mac-access.net> References: <918835D8-DAAF-4122-BAA3-DA99DE53629D@mac-access.net> Message-ID: lol. Ok if you have to call them sign up for a google voice us number and call them from there. I don't think you will incur charges as they will see it coming from the usa. and you can give them that number and they won't incur charges either. Good luck. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 5, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Well, I cheated! I did what they say not to do and created another System Access account to buy DocuScan Plus. It was the only way since they don't understand why they're getting this problem on their website where some users are being prompted to install and activate System Access even when they don't have a Windows OS. > > So we'll see what happens; if they accept the purchase or not. If they don't, that's it! We'll just have to start hunting again won't we. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Thu May 5 23:55:54 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 23:55:54 +0100 Subject: Betcha We're In Trouble! In-Reply-To: <918835D8-DAAF-4122-BAA3-DA99DE53629D@mac-access.net> References: <918835D8-DAAF-4122-BAA3-DA99DE53629D@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I don't think it will be a problem, I think because of the issues people have had they have issued an email letting customers know they can have another 7 day trial. On 5 May 2011, at 23:46, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Well, I cheated! I did what they say not to do and created another System Access account to buy DocuScan Plus. It was the only way since they don't understand why they're getting this problem on their website where some users are being prompted to install and activate System Access even when they don't have a Windows OS. > > So we'll see what happens; if they accept the purchase or not. If they don't, that's it! We'll just have to start hunting again won't we. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Fri May 6 00:10:36 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 00:10:36 +0100 Subject: Betcha We're In Trouble! In-Reply-To: References: <918835D8-DAAF-4122-BAA3-DA99DE53629D@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <793C4967-A9AB-4AFF-9DCC-C4032FDC47EB@mac-access.net> Helo Sarah No way! We don't, and won't, sign up to anything Google. This is on principle because we have an idea of how invasive that company is. Lynne On 5 May 2011, at 23:50, Sarah Alawami wrote: lol. Ok if you have to call them sign up for a google voice us number and call them from there. I don't think you will incur charges as they will see it coming from the usa. and you can give them that number and they won't incur charges either. Good luck. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 5, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Well, I cheated! I did what they say not to do and created another System Access account to buy DocuScan Plus. It was the only way since they don't understand why they're getting this problem on their website where some users are being prompted to install and activate System Access even when they don't have a Windows OS. > > So we'll see what happens; if they accept the purchase or not. If they don't, that's it! We'll just have to start hunting again won't we. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 6 00:11:03 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 00:11:03 +0100 Subject: Betcha We're In Trouble! In-Reply-To: <793C4967-A9AB-4AFF-9DCC-C4032FDC47EB@mac-access.net> References: <918835D8-DAAF-4122-BAA3-DA99DE53629D@mac-access.net> <793C4967-A9AB-4AFF-9DCC-C4032FDC47EB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <25E46EC1-3274-4206-ACF2-8FB26A092BFA@mac-access.net> Oopse! Did it again! Lynne On 6 May 2011, at 00:10, Gordon Smith wrote: Helo Sarah No way! We don't, and won't, sign up to anything Google. This is on principle because we have an idea of how invasive that company is. Lynne On 5 May 2011, at 23:50, Sarah Alawami wrote: lol. Ok if you have to call them sign up for a google voice us number and call them from there. I don't think you will incur charges as they will see it coming from the usa. and you can give them that number and they won't incur charges either. Good luck. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 5, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Well, I cheated! I did what they say not to do and created another System Access account to buy DocuScan Plus. It was the only way since they don't understand why they're getting this problem on their website where some users are being prompted to install and activate System Access even when they don't have a Windows OS. > > So we'll see what happens; if they accept the purchase or not. If they don't, that's it! We'll just have to start hunting again won't we. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 6 00:11:14 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 16:11:14 -0700 Subject: Betcha We're In Trouble! In-Reply-To: References: <918835D8-DAAF-4122-BAA3-DA99DE53629D@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <77D43314-9279-4E62-8CF7-778DF2902669@gmail.com> Yeah true. I saw that. I'm still not going to try it because I don't have anything to scan. but that might change next fall. 30 contracts I need to read for homework. Yuck! but good luck. I'm going to burden yall with my school related issues. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 5, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > I don't think it will be a problem, I think because of the issues people have had they have issued an email letting customers know they can have another 7 day trial. > On 5 May 2011, at 23:46, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello everybody >> >> Well, I cheated! I did what they say not to do and created another System Access account to buy DocuScan Plus. It was the only way since they don't understand why they're getting this problem on their website where some users are being prompted to install and activate System Access even when they don't have a Windows OS. >> >> So we'll see what happens; if they accept the purchase or not. If they don't, that's it! We'll just have to start hunting again won't we. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 6 00:13:24 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 00:13:24 +0100 Subject: Betcha We're In Trouble! In-Reply-To: References: <918835D8-DAAF-4122-BAA3-DA99DE53629D@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4AAFEA1C-E8C1-4A95-A10A-CAC80D4BAF6E@mac-access.net> Hello Chris On 5 May 2011, at 23:55, Chris Moore wrote: ? I don't think it will be a problem, I think because of the issues people have had they have issued an email letting customers know they can have another 7 day trial. Buddy never said anything about that when we contacted him; nor have we had an email from them about that. I would have delayed purchasing if I'd known that. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 6 00:27:49 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 16:27:49 -0700 Subject: Betcha We're In Trouble! In-Reply-To: <4AAFEA1C-E8C1-4A95-A10A-CAC80D4BAF6E@mac-access.net> References: <918835D8-DAAF-4122-BAA3-DA99DE53629D@mac-access.net> <4AAFEA1C-E8C1-4A95-A10A-CAC80D4BAF6E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <2F47D0EB-5B76-4A40-A70C-82CD1FCF021B@gmail.com> that just happened today actually. Take care and good luck. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 5, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > On 5 May 2011, at 23:55, Chris Moore wrote: > > ? I don't think it will be a problem, I think because of the issues people have had they have issued an email letting customers know they can have another 7 day trial. > > Buddy never said anything about that when we contacted him; nor have we had an email from them about that. I would have delayed purchasing if I'd known that. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 6 00:41:53 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 00:41:53 +0100 Subject: Betcha We're In Trouble! In-Reply-To: <2F47D0EB-5B76-4A40-A70C-82CD1FCF021B@gmail.com> References: <918835D8-DAAF-4122-BAA3-DA99DE53629D@mac-access.net> <4AAFEA1C-E8C1-4A95-A10A-CAC80D4BAF6E@mac-access.net> <2F47D0EB-5B76-4A40-A70C-82CD1FCF021B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5B0788D5-B557-474B-8AB2-D2F4891BF099@mac-access.net> Hello Sarah On 6 May 2011, at 00:27, Sarah Alawami wrote: that just happened today actually. Ah well, easy come easy go. I'd have had to buy it some time IU guess, so it's just a weak or so earlier. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 6 00:56:54 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 00:56:54 +0100 Subject: Disk Utility Message-ID: Hello everybody Could somebody please remind me how to create an ISO image of a DVD or CD using Disk Utility? With thanks. Lynne From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Fri May 6 01:39:20 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 01:39:20 +0100 Subject: Disk Utility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Go to the File menu in Disc Utility, select New and select the image you want to create, i.e. create an iso from folder, or a device (a CD or DVD currently sitting in the internal drive) Chris On 6 May 2011, at 00:56, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Could somebody please remind me how to create an ISO image of a DVD or CD using Disk Utility? > > With thanks. Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 6 02:53:08 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 18:53:08 -0700 Subject: Betcha We're In Trouble! In-Reply-To: <5B0788D5-B557-474B-8AB2-D2F4891BF099@mac-access.net> References: <918835D8-DAAF-4122-BAA3-DA99DE53629D@mac-access.net> <4AAFEA1C-E8C1-4A95-A10A-CAC80D4BAF6E@mac-access.net> <2F47D0EB-5B76-4A40-A70C-82CD1FCF021B@gmail.com> <5B0788D5-B557-474B-8AB2-D2F4891BF099@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Ah well good luck. I'll scan all 30 contracts by hand or have someone do it for me. Oh the joys of colledge. Take care all and good luck with doco scan. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 5, 2011, at 4:41 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > On 6 May 2011, at 00:27, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > that just happened today actually. > > Ah well, easy come easy go. I'd have had to buy it some time IU guess, so it's just a weak or so earlier. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri May 6 05:51:28 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 06:51:28 +0200 Subject: Betcha We're In Trouble! In-Reply-To: <793C4967-A9AB-4AFF-9DCC-C4032FDC47EB@mac-access.net> References: <918835D8-DAAF-4122-BAA3-DA99DE53629D@mac-access.net> <793C4967-A9AB-4AFF-9DCC-C4032FDC47EB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <073D1125-88E4-4003-9F9C-A6F6998A5C7A@gmail.com> Hi! I only think Google VOice is US-only, anyway, so that's out of the picture. If Britain is supported now, you're lucky, because Google has been claiming expansion for a long time now. I really wish more companies would take advantage of virtual phone numbers. Regards, Nic On May 6, 2011, at 1:10 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Helo Sarah > > No way! We don't, and won't, sign up to anything Google. This is on principle because we have an idea of how invasive that company is. > > Lynne > > On 5 May 2011, at 23:50, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > lol. Ok if you have to call them sign up for a google voice us number and call them from there. I don't think you will incur charges as they will see it coming from the usa. and you can give them that number and they won't incur charges either. > > Good luck. > > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 5, 2011, at 3:46 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello everybody >> >> Well, I cheated! I did what they say not to do and created another System Access account to buy DocuScan Plus. It was the only way since they don't understand why they're getting this problem on their website where some users are being prompted to install and activate System Access even when they don't have a Windows OS. >> >> So we'll see what happens; if they accept the purchase or not. If they don't, that's it! We'll just have to start hunting again won't we. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri May 6 11:11:10 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:11:10 +0100 Subject: financial package? Message-ID: <8ADDB9AE-CB48-4A0A-848D-A88F0A3692BE@gmail.com> hi all I know I can view bank statements online but is there an IOS and mac program i can get to track what i am spending and why? that way i can drawer money out and write it down if i have money coming out, i can keep track of events so K know where I stand From carol.pearson29 at googlemail.com Fri May 6 11:37:19 2011 From: carol.pearson29 at googlemail.com (Carol Pearson) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 11:37:19 +0100 Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it References: <5ABFE0157F4241E6818C8A0DD650A9FE@HP><3E44EEB1-1DB8-4150-9EB3-1D4B78917498@blueyonder.co.uk><42F436262B57477293CF25A029933696@HP> <79F66FE8-D442-42BB-B7BB-6A6795EE6A85@gmail.com> Message-ID: Can you easily forward to multiple recipients with You Mail? -- Carol P -- Carol P ---- Original Message ---- From: "Sarah Alawami" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:51 PM Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it > Actually you can. look for a neat little program called > you mail. I'm trying it out and have forwarded a message > or to already. > > take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to > http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you > need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 5, 2011, at 6:10 AM, Jackie Cairns wrote: > >> Yes, it's down to preference, and I don't like the >> iPhone part of it and the >> way you can't forward messages in the same way you do on >> the Symbian OS. >> But, as I say, it is preference. So glad you like your >> iPod Touch, I love >> mine too. >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Jackie Cairns >> J&M Work-Ability >> >> jandm at work-ability.co.uk >> www.work-ability.co.uk >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of >> Chris Moore >> Sent: 05 May 2011 12:30 >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it >> >> Why? I do not understand why you can love one and not >> the other? They run >> the same operating system. Is it because you miss >> having a physical keypad >> to type text messages on? >> On 5 May 2011, at 12:25, Jackie Cairns wrote: >> >>> I have the iPod Touch 64GB and an iPhone fourth gen >>> 32GB, but hate the latter. I just love my iPod Touch, >>> it does everything I want. But >>> the phone? No, I prefer an ordinary Nokia with Talks >>> on it. >>> >>> >>> Kind Regards, >>> >>> Jackie Cairns >>> J&M Work-Ability >>> >>> jandm at work-ability.co.uk >>> www.work-ability.co.uk >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >>> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of >>> Carol Pearson Sent: 05 May 2011 10:27 >>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>> Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it >>> >>> Yeah, I bought the Touch and now want a phone! >>> >>> -- >>> Carol P >>> ---- Original Message ---- >>> From: "Travis Siegel" >>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >>> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 >>> 3:19 AM Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it >>> >>>> Well, All I can say is wow! >>>> We found an ipod 4g 8gb model in our local unclaimed >>>> baggage center, for $125, took it home, and just as >>>> soon as we got vo turned on (I was trying a three >>>> finger swipe instead of a three-finger tap), I spent >>>> about a minute in the vo practice mode, and then I was >>>> off and running. >>>> I'd read messages from others talking about how easy >>>> it was to use, but I got to tell you folks, if you >>>> don't have one, if you've got the means, go get one, >>>> there's nothing like it for ease of use, and the whole >>>> touch screen thing is no issue at all. >>>> I'm extremely happy with this thing, and I've had it a >>>> whole 2.5 hours. I don't know how to edit text fields >>>> yet (like web urls), but I'll just go look that up. >>>> We went for a walk, and I was using the ipod the whole >>>> time reading the getting started guide using >>>> voiceover, and never a hitch (except when we got out >>>> of range of our wireless network, and it wanted me to >>>> choose another one). >>>> Great stuff apple is doing here. >>>> Now, I really really really want an ipad. >>>> Anyway, I know others have already written their >>>> comments here, but I just had to tell someone how >>>> happy I am here, or I'd explode. :) Thank you Apple >>>> for producing such a product. >>>> Now I'm off to see what I can do to get some apps on >>>> it. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all >>>> messages >>>> posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, >>>> spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options >>>> periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all >>> messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, >>> spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options >>> periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - >>> Release Date: 05/04/11 19:34:00 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all >>> messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, >>> spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options >>> periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >> posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, >> spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options >> periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - >> Release Date: 05/04/11 19:34:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >> posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, >> spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options >> periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, > spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options > periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri May 6 12:05:02 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 21:05:02 +1000 Subject: financial package? In-Reply-To: <8ADDB9AE-CB48-4A0A-848D-A88F0A3692BE@gmail.com> References: <8ADDB9AE-CB48-4A0A-848D-A88F0A3692BE@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ibank would seem the shot. On 06/05/2011, at 8:11 PM, william lomas wrote: > hi all > > > I know I can view bank statements online but is there an IOS and mac program i can get to track what i am spending and why? > that way i can drawer money out and write it down if i have money coming out, i can keep track of events so K know where I stand > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri May 6 12:15:11 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 12:15:11 +0100 Subject: financial package? In-Reply-To: References: <8ADDB9AE-CB48-4A0A-848D-A88F0A3692BE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <63C7AC35-60DD-4C81-A345-516CDABEAEAC@gmail.com> wow 35 gbp on ap store for mac? expensive! will try the iphone ap though I think. WOnder if other country tax codes are supported? sounds perfect. I suppose the mac version though could be useful since i will not have to keep I assume, looking at my statements I can monitor what is pend on the move. Will the service then link in to my UK bank account and analyse data that way? On 6 May 2011, at 12:05, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Ibank would seem the shot. > > > On 06/05/2011, at 8:11 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> hi all >> >> >> I know I can view bank statements online but is there an IOS and mac program i can get to track what i am spending and why? >> that way i can drawer money out and write it down if i have money coming out, i can keep track of events so K know where I stand >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Fri May 6 12:16:15 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 12:16:15 +0100 Subject: New Member Welcome Message-ID: <9226B74B-7843-48E0-B151-3DF787199D55@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Please do not reply to this thread on list unless your reply has a direct relevance to their Mac use or interest. It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome Lara Green to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but have a keen interest. We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope this clarifies the position. If you have any list-related queries, please do not hesitate to contact either Gordon and myself, (the list owners), at , or one of our very capable assistant list controllers; Anne Robertson, or James Austin, and we will be happy to help you. Once again, a very warm welcome to the group. We hope you find your membership an enjoyable experience. Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri May 6 12:17:23 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 13:17:23 +0200 Subject: financial package? In-Reply-To: <63C7AC35-60DD-4C81-A345-516CDABEAEAC@gmail.com> References: <8ADDB9AE-CB48-4A0A-848D-A88F0A3692BE@gmail.com> <63C7AC35-60DD-4C81-A345-516CDABEAEAC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <38CC54AF-1DF3-4D8E-A9C8-3193818E4328@gmail.com> Hi William, Trust me, it's worth it. You may want to make sure they have the URL to your institution particularly the one to retrieve the information before buying, obviously. Regards, Nic On May 6, 2011, at 1:15 PM, william lomas wrote: > wow 35 gbp on ap store for mac? expensive! > will try the iphone ap though I think. WOnder if other country tax codes are supported? > sounds perfect. > I suppose the mac version though could be useful since i will not have to keep I assume, looking at my statements I can monitor what is pend on the move. > Will the service then link in to my UK bank account and analyse data that way? > > On 6 May 2011, at 12:05, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Ibank would seem the shot. >> >> >> On 06/05/2011, at 8:11 PM, william lomas wrote: >> >>> hi all >>> >>> >>> I know I can view bank statements online but is there an IOS and mac program i can get to track what i am spending and why? >>> that way i can drawer money out and write it down if i have money coming out, i can keep track of events so K know where I stand >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri May 6 12:28:50 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 12:28:50 +0100 Subject: financial package? In-Reply-To: <38CC54AF-1DF3-4D8E-A9C8-3193818E4328@gmail.com> References: <8ADDB9AE-CB48-4A0A-848D-A88F0A3692BE@gmail.com> <63C7AC35-60DD-4C81-A345-516CDABEAEAC@gmail.com> <38CC54AF-1DF3-4D8E-A9C8-3193818E4328@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5F7F4FBF-4984-4814-8F8D-106100D4927F@gmail.com> Is there a way to check which banks theys upport? From reading reviews, it seems to be be more US-based in terms of terminology used? On 6 May 2011, at 12:17, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi William, > > Trust me, it's worth it. You may want to make sure they have the URL to your institution particularly the one to retrieve the information before buying, obviously. > > Regards, > Nic > On May 6, 2011, at 1:15 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> wow 35 gbp on ap store for mac? expensive! >> will try the iphone ap though I think. WOnder if other country tax codes are supported? >> sounds perfect. >> I suppose the mac version though could be useful since i will not have to keep I assume, looking at my statements I can monitor what is pend on the move. >> Will the service then link in to my UK bank account and analyse data that way? >> >> On 6 May 2011, at 12:05, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Ibank would seem the shot. >>> >>> >>> On 06/05/2011, at 8:11 PM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> hi all >>>> >>>> >>>> I know I can view bank statements online but is there an IOS and mac program i can get to track what i am spending and why? >>>> that way i can drawer money out and write it down if i have money coming out, i can keep track of events so K know where I stand >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 6 12:29:48 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 12:29:48 +0100 Subject: Disk Utility In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78A30B58-A2AD-441F-BBEF-0DB86A26AF52@mac-access.net> Hello Chris On 6 May 2011, at 01:39, Chris Moore wrote: ? Go to the File menu in Disc Utility, select New and select the image you want to create, i.e. create an iso from folder, or a device (a CD or DVD currently sitting in the internal drive) No good unfortunately. All that does is burns the contents of the folder to an image. It doesn't seem to burn a true disk image. Actually I'm not even sure it supports ISO images as the extension always seems to be ".dmg". Lynne From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri May 6 12:31:54 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 12:31:54 +0100 Subject: financial package? In-Reply-To: <38CC54AF-1DF3-4D8E-A9C8-3193818E4328@gmail.com> References: <8ADDB9AE-CB48-4A0A-848D-A88F0A3692BE@gmail.com> <63C7AC35-60DD-4C81-A345-516CDABEAEAC@gmail.com> <38CC54AF-1DF3-4D8E-A9C8-3193818E4328@gmail.com> Message-ID: <305D9C67-F32E-4244-AF9B-EA177DF5726B@gmail.com> is a demo available? On 6 May 2011, at 12:17, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi William, > > Trust me, it's worth it. You may want to make sure they have the URL to your institution particularly the one to retrieve the information before buying, obviously. > > Regards, > Nic > On May 6, 2011, at 1:15 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> wow 35 gbp on ap store for mac? expensive! >> will try the iphone ap though I think. WOnder if other country tax codes are supported? >> sounds perfect. >> I suppose the mac version though could be useful since i will not have to keep I assume, looking at my statements I can monitor what is pend on the move. >> Will the service then link in to my UK bank account and analyse data that way? >> >> On 6 May 2011, at 12:05, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Ibank would seem the shot. >>> >>> >>> On 06/05/2011, at 8:11 PM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> hi all >>>> >>>> >>>> I know I can view bank statements online but is there an IOS and mac program i can get to track what i am spending and why? >>>> that way i can drawer money out and write it down if i have money coming out, i can keep track of events so K know where I stand >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri May 6 12:34:12 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 12:34:12 +0100 Subject: financial package? In-Reply-To: <38CC54AF-1DF3-4D8E-A9C8-3193818E4328@gmail.com> References: <8ADDB9AE-CB48-4A0A-848D-A88F0A3692BE@gmail.com> <63C7AC35-60DD-4C81-A345-516CDABEAEAC@gmail.com> <38CC54AF-1DF3-4D8E-A9C8-3193818E4328@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1C23ACA8-9EAA-4955-9E18-DDDDD7D1EAD4@gmail.com> ah found demo On 6 May 2011, at 12:17, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi William, > > Trust me, it's worth it. You may want to make sure they have the URL to your institution particularly the one to retrieve the information before buying, obviously. > > Regards, > Nic > On May 6, 2011, at 1:15 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> wow 35 gbp on ap store for mac? expensive! >> will try the iphone ap though I think. WOnder if other country tax codes are supported? >> sounds perfect. >> I suppose the mac version though could be useful since i will not have to keep I assume, looking at my statements I can monitor what is pend on the move. >> Will the service then link in to my UK bank account and analyse data that way? >> >> On 6 May 2011, at 12:05, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Ibank would seem the shot. >>> >>> >>> On 06/05/2011, at 8:11 PM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> hi all >>>> >>>> >>>> I know I can view bank statements online but is there an IOS and mac program i can get to track what i am spending and why? >>>> that way i can drawer money out and write it down if i have money coming out, i can keep track of events so K know where I stand >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 6 12:35:52 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 12:35:52 +0100 Subject: Betcha We're In Trouble! In-Reply-To: <073D1125-88E4-4003-9F9C-A6F6998A5C7A@gmail.com> References: <918835D8-DAAF-4122-BAA3-DA99DE53629D@mac-access.net> <793C4967-A9AB-4AFF-9DCC-C4032FDC47EB@mac-access.net> <073D1125-88E4-4003-9F9C-A6F6998A5C7A@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Nic On 6 May 2011, at 05:51, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: ? I only think Google VOice is US-only, anyway, so that's out of the picture. If Britain is supported now, you're lucky, because Google has been claiming expansion for a long time now. I really wish more companies would take advantage of virtual phone numbers. I am maybe a bit paranoid; but as with mail, I would rather do without than use Google for anything. The horrific things which keep surfacing about that company make my skin crawl, and I fail to understand why so many people put so much faith in them. A case of "Big Brother Is WAtching You" I think, and they're not getting hold of our names and details if I can avoid it. Yes; the web search engine is useful; no denying that. But for anything else I wouldn't trust them as far as I could spit! Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 6 12:37:34 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 12:37:34 +0100 Subject: financial package? In-Reply-To: <8ADDB9AE-CB48-4A0A-848D-A88F0A3692BE@gmail.com> References: <8ADDB9AE-CB48-4A0A-848D-A88F0A3692BE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <195449A4-DAEC-4E10-BEF2-96CF6BCD80F4@mac-access.net> Hello William have you ever looked at iBank I wonder? It's very good I think. Lynne On 6 May 2011, at 11:11, william lomas wrote: I know I can view bank statements online but is there an IOS and mac program i can get to track what i am spending and why? that way i can drawer money out and write it down if i have money coming out, i can keep track of events so K know where I stand From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 6 12:39:18 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 12:39:18 +0100 Subject: financial package? In-Reply-To: <63C7AC35-60DD-4C81-A345-516CDABEAEAC@gmail.com> References: <8ADDB9AE-CB48-4A0A-848D-A88F0A3692BE@gmail.com> <63C7AC35-60DD-4C81-A345-516CDABEAEAC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0A77E053-5976-4776-ADBC-528C7ED20C92@mac-access.net> hello William On 6 May 2011, at 12:15, william lomas wrote: ? wow 35 gbp on ap store for mac? expensive! Developers have to eat as well you know! Lynne From lara_green at btinternet.com Fri May 6 12:44:02 2011 From: lara_green at btinternet.com (Lara Green) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 12:44:02 +0100 Subject: New Member Welcome References: <9226B74B-7843-48E0-B151-3DF787199D55@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6936895A3B4E4B50B74E1A862344F742@eepcblue> THanks for the wellcome. I currently use an iPhone but still use a phone with torx as I am not thatgood at writing on the keyboard etc so still use a torx phone for texting in noisy environments etc. I joined the list as I am tempted to get a mac computer and think I will have questions about how it get the most out of it. Lara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon & Lynne Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 12:16 PM Subject: New Member Welcome > Hello everybody > > Please do not reply to this thread on list unless your reply has a direct > relevance to their Mac use or interest. > > It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum > that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping > with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome Lara Green to our number. > We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. > > We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly > and worthwhile place to be. > > In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of > skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers > with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but > have a keen interest. > > We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive > comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none > of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. > That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. > > Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of > virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the > configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of > the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or > any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The > exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the > virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope > this clarifies the position. > > If you have any list-related queries, please do not hesitate to contact > either Gordon and myself, (the list owners), at , > or one of our very capable assistant list controllers; Anne Robertson, > or James Austin, and > we will be happy to help you. > > Once again, a very warm welcome to the group. We hope you find your > membership an enjoyable experience. > > Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all > Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your > Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. > > If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a > listing of the books available please visit: > http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri May 6 12:58:34 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 12:58:34 +0100 Subject: financial package? In-Reply-To: <38CC54AF-1DF3-4D8E-A9C8-3193818E4328@gmail.com> References: <8ADDB9AE-CB48-4A0A-848D-A88F0A3692BE@gmail.com> <63C7AC35-60DD-4C81-A345-516CDABEAEAC@gmail.com> <38CC54AF-1DF3-4D8E-A9C8-3193818E4328@gmail.com> Message-ID: Ok I set up my account but catagories seem tirkcy to set up On 6 May 2011, at 12:17, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi William, > > Trust me, it's worth it. You may want to make sure they have the URL to your institution particularly the one to retrieve the information before buying, obviously. > > Regards, > Nic > On May 6, 2011, at 1:15 PM, william lomas wrote: > >> wow 35 gbp on ap store for mac? expensive! >> will try the iphone ap though I think. WOnder if other country tax codes are supported? >> sounds perfect. >> I suppose the mac version though could be useful since i will not have to keep I assume, looking at my statements I can monitor what is pend on the move. >> Will the service then link in to my UK bank account and analyse data that way? >> >> On 6 May 2011, at 12:05, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Ibank would seem the shot. >>> >>> >>> On 06/05/2011, at 8:11 PM, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> hi all >>>> >>>> >>>> I know I can view bank statements online but is there an IOS and mac program i can get to track what i am spending and why? >>>> that way i can drawer money out and write it down if i have money coming out, i can keep track of events so K know where I stand >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com Fri May 6 14:00:36 2011 From: jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com (Jackie Cairns) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 14:00:36 +0100 Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it In-Reply-To: <8A4FAA2D-254C-4060-9478-A3C321894D2B@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <5ABFE0157F4241E6818C8A0DD650A9FE@HP><3E44EEB1-1DB8-4150-9EB3-1D4B78917498@blueyonder.co.uk><42F436262B57477293CF25A029933696@HP> <8A4FAA2D-254C-4060-9478-A3C321894D2B@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Yes Chris, I know how to forward, send, reply, delete, add to contacts etc, but I still don't like nor enjoy using it, so am reverting to my Nokia phone and using my iPod Touch. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm at work-ability.co.uk www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: 05 May 2011 16:53 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it It is very easy to forward messages on the iPhone, whilst in the message just hit edit, then hit the switch next to the message you wish to forward, press forward and select the person(s) you wish to send to. Mind I must admit it is a pain having to add each person individually, I did like the way Nokia allowed you to place a x in the box next to the person you wish to send the message to, you could select more than one and then hit ok when done. Also the only way you can create groups on the iPhone is via the Address Book on the Mac (no Windows support is available here). On 5 May 2011, at 14:10, Jackie Cairns wrote: > Yes, it's down to preference, and I don't like the iPhone part of it > and the way you can't forward messages in the same way you do on the Symbian OS. > But, as I say, it is preference. So glad you like your iPod Touch, I > love mine too. > > > Kind Regards, > > Jackie Cairns > J&M Work-Ability > > jandm at work-ability.co.uk > www.work-ability.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris Moore > Sent: 05 May 2011 12:30 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it > > Why? I do not understand why you can love one and not the other? They > run the same operating system. Is it because you miss having a > physical keypad to type text messages on? > On 5 May 2011, at 12:25, Jackie Cairns wrote: > >> I have the iPod Touch 64GB and an iPhone fourth gen 32GB, but hate >> the latter. I just love my iPod Touch, it does everything I want. >> But the phone? No, I prefer an ordinary Nokia with Talks on it. >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Jackie Cairns >> J&M Work-Ability >> >> jandm at work-ability.co.uk >> www.work-ability.co.uk >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Carol Pearson >> Sent: 05 May 2011 10:27 >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Re: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it >> >> Yeah, I bought the Touch and now want a phone! >> >> -- >> Carol P >> ---- Original Message ---- >> From: "Travis Siegel" >> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 >> 3:19 AM Subject: Got an 8gb ipod touch and loving it >> >>> Well, All I can say is wow! >>> We found an ipod 4g 8gb model in our local unclaimed baggage center, >>> for $125, took it home, and just as soon as we got vo turned on (I >>> was trying a three finger swipe instead of a three-finger tap), I >>> spent about a minute in the vo practice mode, and then I was off and >>> running. >>> I'd read messages from others talking about how easy it was to use, >>> but I got to tell you folks, if you don't have one, if you've got >>> the means, go get one, there's nothing like it for ease of use, and >>> the whole touch screen thing is no issue at all. >>> I'm extremely happy with this thing, and I've had it a whole 2.5 >>> hours. I don't know how to edit text fields yet (like web urls), but >>> I'll just go look that up. We went for a walk, and I was using the >>> ipod the whole time reading the getting started guide using >>> voiceover, and never a hitch (except when we got out of range of our >>> wireless network, and it wanted me to choose another one). >>> Great stuff apple is doing here. >>> Now, I really really really want an ipad. Anyway, I know >>> others have already written their comments here, but I just had to >>> tell someone how happy I am here, or I'd explode. :) Thank you Apple >>> for producing such a product. >>> Now I'm off to see what I can do to get some apps on it. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >>> posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - Release Date: >> 05/04/11 19:34:00 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting > the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3616 - Release Date: > 05/04/11 19:34:00 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.894 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3618 - Release Date: 05/05/11 19:34:00 From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 6 14:31:41 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 14:31:41 +0100 Subject: Subjedt Lines Message-ID: <552921D7-2559-49AF-938D-F48C51A5DA63@mac-access.net> Hello everybody It's just been brought to my attention that I kind of broke my own rule yesterday by using a subject line such as "Betcha We're in trouble". The person who brought this to my attention is quite correct, it was very wrong of me to use that and I apologise to all members. I, like everybody else, must abide by list rules and I didn't on this occasion. So I will be more careful in future. Lynne From gordon at mac-access.net Fri May 6 14:39:21 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 14:39:21 +0100 Subject: New Member Welcome In-Reply-To: <6936895A3B4E4B50B74E1A862344F742@eepcblue> References: <9226B74B-7843-48E0-B151-3DF787199D55@mac-access.net> <6936895A3B4E4B50B74E1A862344F742@eepcblue> Message-ID: Hello Lara On 6 May 2011, at 12:44, Lara Green wrote: ? I currently use an iPhone but still use a phone with torx as I am not thatgood at writing on the keyboard etc so still use a torx phone for texting in noisy environments etc. Talks, obviously, isn't something we "talk" about here but the passing reference isn't a problem. :) A lot of people find getting used to the iPhone virtual keyboard a difficult proposition for a while. But what I'd say to you Lara is stick at it. Don't just presume that because you can't do it at first, you won't ever be able too. I know of one person here who struggled a lot when she first got her iPhone. My other half, Gordon, spent a great deal of time teaching Gillian how to use the iPhone and going over and over it with her. Eventually she found that she was able to perform steps she wanted to do and that encouraged her. She's now very good at using the virtual keyboard despite the fact that Gillian has dexterity issues and has problems coordinating the movement of multiple fingers. ? I joined the list as I am tempted to get a mac computer and think I will have questions about how it get the most out of it. That's why the list is here; so feel free to ask your questions, no matter how basic or otherwise. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 6 14:47:58 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 14:47:58 +0100 Subject: TechTool Pro Message-ID: <05A06C3E-A1EB-452B-B5C8-DC8B4CD35059@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Has anybody managed to do anything with TechTool Pro for OSX? We own a license which came as part of a bundle with a Mac Updates promotion sometime last year and although I can use it, Gordon hasn't been able to do much with it with VoiceOver. Lynne From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri May 6 14:53:03 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 15:53:03 +0200 Subject: TechTool Pro In-Reply-To: <05A06C3E-A1EB-452B-B5C8-DC8B4CD35059@mac-access.net> References: <05A06C3E-A1EB-452B-B5C8-DC8B4CD35059@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0F6B74DF-37C2-4757-8E3A-CDAE7190F7AB@gmail.com> Hello Lynne, I remember speaking to you about this tool a few months ago, and I actually ended up getting in touch with their support. I asked them if any access was currently implemented in TechTool Pro, as well as for certain features which were somewhat important at the time though I can't remember which, and all I got back was a resounding "No!" with no elaboration upon whether they would support VoiceOver eventually. So, all I can probably recommend for now is to continuously bug them about it, since this looks like a very nice tool to have in my little box of goods. Regards, Nic On May 6, 2011, at 3:47 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Has anybody managed to do anything with TechTool Pro for OSX? We own a license which came as part of a bundle with a Mac Updates promotion sometime last year and although I can use it, Gordon hasn't been able to do much with it with VoiceOver. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Fri May 6 14:54:53 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 14:54:53 +0100 Subject: New Member Welcome In-Reply-To: References: <9226B74B-7843-48E0-B151-3DF787199D55@mac-access.net> <6936895A3B4E4B50B74E1A862344F742@eepcblue> Message-ID: Hi yep i have an ipod touch which is simlar to the iphone and although i'm not as quick as i am on my nokia mobile or computer i can use the vershual keyboard pritty well. I am looking to upgrade to an iphone for my next upgrade. From gordonkeen at googlemail.com Fri May 6 15:05:25 2011 From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 15:05:25 +0100 Subject: off list was:Subjedt Lines In-Reply-To: <552921D7-2559-49AF-938D-F48C51A5DA63@mac-access.net> References: <552921D7-2559-49AF-938D-F48C51A5DA63@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <34364597-385A-4057-80F6-CD281905EFB9@googlemail.com> Hi Oh heck, be sure your sins will find you out! Mind you if the list owners and moderators can't bend the rules things are coming to a pretty pass. Very brave person, must have nerves of steel to point it out. I'm still smiling G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. Catch the buzz at http://www.bridgerule.co.uk On 6 May 2011, at 14:31, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > It's just been brought to my attention that I kind of broke my own rule yesterday by using a subject line such as "Betcha We're in trouble". The person who brought this to my attention is quite correct, it was very wrong of me to use that and I apologise to all members. > > I, like everybody else, must abide by list rules and I didn't on this occasion. So I will be more careful in future. > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Fri May 6 15:11:38 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 15:11:38 +0100 Subject: off list was:Subjedt Lines In-Reply-To: <34364597-385A-4057-80F6-CD281905EFB9@googlemail.com> References: <552921D7-2559-49AF-938D-F48C51A5DA63@mac-access.net> <34364597-385A-4057-80F6-CD281905EFB9@googlemail.com> Message-ID: *is curious to know who it might have been* On 6 May 2011, at 15:05, Gordon Keen wrote: > > Hi > > Oh heck, be sure your sins will find you out! > > Mind you if the list owners and moderators can't bend the rules things are coming to a pretty pass. > > Very brave person, must have nerves of steel to point it out. > > I'm still smiling > > G > > From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. > Catch the buzz at http://www.bridgerule.co.uk > > On 6 May 2011, at 14:31, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello everybody >> >> It's just been brought to my attention that I kind of broke my own rule yesterday by using a subject line such as "Betcha We're in trouble". The person who brought this to my attention is quite correct, it was very wrong of me to use that and I apologise to all members. >> >> I, like everybody else, must abide by list rules and I didn't on this occasion. So I will be more careful in future. >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 6 15:20:22 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 15:20:22 +0100 Subject: TechTool Pro In-Reply-To: <0F6B74DF-37C2-4757-8E3A-CDAE7190F7AB@gmail.com> References: <05A06C3E-A1EB-452B-B5C8-DC8B4CD35059@mac-access.net> <0F6B74DF-37C2-4757-8E3A-CDAE7190F7AB@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5A5503CF-BD20-423A-9C5A-E1BE4DDE32D7@mac-access.net> Hi Nic On 6 May 2011, at 14:53, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: ? I remember speaking to you about this tool a few months ago, and I actually ended up getting in touch with their support. You remember more than I then, I don't recall that occasion at all. :) ? I asked them if any access was currently implemented in TechTool Pro, as well as for certain features which were somewhat important at the time though I can't remember which, and all I got back was a resounding "No!" with no elaboration upon whether they would support VoiceOver eventually. So, all I can probably recommend for now is to continuously bug them about it, since this looks like a very nice tool to have in my little box of goods. That is very unfortunate. Not at all the kind of attitude one would hope for. I shall, if that is the case, contact a number of people to see if they can't do anything. Lynne From gordon at mac-access.net Fri May 6 15:24:55 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 15:24:55 +0100 Subject: off list was:Subjedt Lines In-Reply-To: References: <552921D7-2559-49AF-938D-F48C51A5DA63@mac-access.net> <34364597-385A-4057-80F6-CD281905EFB9@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <96BBA83E-8220-4942-A5E3-F116A756D3CD@mac-access.net> I'm not going to reveal that. If the member wishes to do so that's their call. On 6 May 2011, at 15:11, Chris Moore wrote: *is curious to know who it might have been* From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Fri May 6 15:27:26 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 15:27:26 +0100 Subject: off list was:Subjedt Lines In-Reply-To: <96BBA83E-8220-4942-A5E3-F116A756D3CD@mac-access.net> References: <552921D7-2559-49AF-938D-F48C51A5DA63@mac-access.net> <34364597-385A-4057-80F6-CD281905EFB9@googlemail.com> <96BBA83E-8220-4942-A5E3-F116A756D3CD@mac-access.net> Message-ID: lol fair enough :) Ok I admit it, it was me! lol actually I am lying it was not me, but had you there. Does the real slim shady want to stand up? On 6 May 2011, at 15:24, Gordon Smith wrote: > I'm not going to reveal that. If the member wishes to do so that's their call. > > On 6 May 2011, at 15:11, Chris Moore wrote: > > *is curious to know who it might have been* > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Fri May 6 15:28:48 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 15:28:48 +0100 Subject: TechTool Pro In-Reply-To: <5A5503CF-BD20-423A-9C5A-E1BE4DDE32D7@mac-access.net> References: <05A06C3E-A1EB-452B-B5C8-DC8B4CD35059@mac-access.net> <0F6B74DF-37C2-4757-8E3A-CDAE7190F7AB@gmail.com> <5A5503CF-BD20-423A-9C5A-E1BE4DDE32D7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <7FD79ACA-A143-472F-9BF4-0B92A8385977@blueyonder.co.uk> What does this app do? pass over their email address, I am happy to hound them (nicely of course). On 6 May 2011, at 15:20, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hi Nic > > On 6 May 2011, at 14:53, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > > ? I remember speaking to you about this tool a few months ago, and I actually ended up getting in touch with their support. > > You remember more than I then, I don't recall that occasion at all. :) > > ? I asked them if any access was currently implemented in TechTool Pro, as well as for certain features which were somewhat important at the time though I can't remember which, and all I got back was a resounding "No!" with no elaboration upon whether they would support VoiceOver eventually. So, all I can probably recommend for now is to continuously bug them about it, since this looks like a very nice tool to have in my little box of goods. > > That is very unfortunate. Not at all the kind of attitude one would hope for. I shall, if that is the case, contact a number of people to see if they can't do anything. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 6 15:32:24 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 15:32:24 +0100 Subject: off list was:Subjedt Lines In-Reply-To: References: <552921D7-2559-49AF-938D-F48C51A5DA63@mac-access.net> <34364597-385A-4057-80F6-CD281905EFB9@googlemail.com> <96BBA83E-8220-4942-A5E3-F116A756D3CD@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Chris Could we leave this here please, we're getting off topic. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 6 15:34:42 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 15:34:42 +0100 Subject: TechTool Pro In-Reply-To: <7FD79ACA-A143-472F-9BF4-0B92A8385977@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <05A06C3E-A1EB-452B-B5C8-DC8B4CD35059@mac-access.net> <0F6B74DF-37C2-4757-8E3A-CDAE7190F7AB@gmail.com> <5A5503CF-BD20-423A-9C5A-E1BE4DDE32D7@mac-access.net> <7FD79ACA-A143-472F-9BF4-0B92A8385977@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Hello Chris On 6 May 2011, at 15:28, Chris Moore wrote: ? What does this app do? pass over their email address, I am happy to hound them (nicely of course). TechTool Pro is an operating system maintenance tools similar to Cocktail I think but with extra functions. Lynne From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Fri May 6 15:38:08 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 15:38:08 +0100 Subject: TechTool Pro In-Reply-To: References: <05A06C3E-A1EB-452B-B5C8-DC8B4CD35059@mac-access.net> <0F6B74DF-37C2-4757-8E3A-CDAE7190F7AB@gmail.com> <5A5503CF-BD20-423A-9C5A-E1BE4DDE32D7@mac-access.net> <7FD79ACA-A143-472F-9BF4-0B92A8385977@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <623F4164-D662-46F3-A91A-696F67F67152@blueyonder.co.uk> Ah right, I use Onyx, it is free and totally accessible. On 6 May 2011, at 15:34, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > On 6 May 2011, at 15:28, Chris Moore wrote: > > ? What does this app do? pass over their email address, I am happy to hound them (nicely of course). > > TechTool Pro is an operating system maintenance tools similar to Cocktail I think but with extra functions. > > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Fri May 6 16:03:05 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 16:03:05 +0100 Subject: New Member Welcome In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4dc40da7.1407e30a.4b38.ffffc333@mx.google.com> Hi. I have both the iPod Touch 4th Generation 64GB, and the iPhone 3GS 16GB, and I love both devices! I still find that I am not as quick on the virtual keyboard as I was on my Nokia phone or on my computer, but I love the amount of apps that are accessible. There are numerous cases you can get, especially for the iPhone 4 which have a built in sliding QWERTY keyboard, which would make it easier for those who are not keen on typing on a touchscreen device. I am planning to try and get one for the 3GS, but there don't seem to be any that have that function. Hope you are all having a nice day and have a nice weekend! Take care! :) Lewis. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Ian McNamara Sent: 06 May 2011 14:55 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: New Member Welcome Hi yep i have an ipod touch which is simlar to the iphone and although i'm not as quick as i am on my nokia mobile or computer i can use the vershual keyboard pritty well. I am looking to upgrade to an iphone for my next upgrade. _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 6 16:25:27 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 16:25:27 +0100 Subject: TechTool Pro In-Reply-To: <623F4164-D662-46F3-A91A-696F67F67152@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <05A06C3E-A1EB-452B-B5C8-DC8B4CD35059@mac-access.net> <0F6B74DF-37C2-4757-8E3A-CDAE7190F7AB@gmail.com> <5A5503CF-BD20-423A-9C5A-E1BE4DDE32D7@mac-access.net> <7FD79ACA-A143-472F-9BF4-0B92A8385977@blueyonder.co.uk> <623F4164-D662-46F3-A91A-696F67F67152@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <1C8942EB-7FD4-4FC8-A238-9469BC4FCB55@mac-access.net> Hello Chris On 6 May 2011, at 15:38, Chris Moore wrote: Ah right, I use Onyx, it is free and totally accessible. No Chris, that's a totally different application. From support at mac-access.net Fri May 6 17:07:45 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 17:07:45 +0100 Subject: Carbon Copying Messages Message-ID: <82113604-FC81-4707-BB5A-DB30ECBCDAFB@mac-access.net> Hello everybody This message is just to let you know that we believe we have now perfected our filters to prevent the carbon copying of messages. It is now no longer possible to carbon copy messages to Mac Access, or to carbon copy messages intended for Mac Access to others. We regret the necessity to have had to do this, but it was starting to become a problem which we could no longer just rely on good user practice in order to contain. So, if you CC a message to the group and it bounces, please don't waste your time contacting us to ask why, or whether you've been removed from the group. You won't have been removed, but your message must have infringed our filter rules. If you have questions or comments regarding this, please direct them to the support address rather than to the group. We won't be answering questions on this subject on list. Lynne From anne at anarchie.org.uk Fri May 6 17:45:30 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 18:45:30 +0200 Subject: Accessible cryptic crossword Message-ID: <89928839-1E94-4E59-98CF-CF06D79BD545@anarchie.org.uk> Hello everyone, I love cryptic crosswords and especially the Guardian crossword, so I'm really pleased to find that the standard version of the daily Guardian crossword is completely accessible with VO. This goes for the quick crossword, too. I can actually do the crossword online. If anyone is interested in this, I'll happily explain how to do it, but I won't bore the list if no one else wants to know. Cheers, Anne From jekis at fastmail.us Fri May 6 17:45:45 2011 From: jekis at fastmail.us (Justin Ekis) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 09:45:45 -0700 Subject: Betcha We're In Trouble! In-Reply-To: References: <918835D8-DAAF-4122-BAA3-DA99DE53629D@mac-access.net> <793C4967-A9AB-4AFF-9DCC-C4032FDC47EB@mac-access.net> <073D1125-88E4-4003-9F9C-A6F6998A5C7A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <06B636B0-B148-4D07-8A96-280B4DD3A914@fastmail.us> Hello lynne, Finally. I know we're veering off course now but I can't help but reply to this. It's good to finally run into someone else who doesn't trust google in the slightest. I was starting to feel like the weird one. Everyone loves google, and they just scare me, plain and simple. That's one large company that's managed to insert itself into so many different areas of online activity that it's creepy. I am generally not paranoid when it comes to anything else, but something about them just doesn't sit right. Justin On May 6, 2011, at 4:35 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: Hello Nic On 6 May 2011, at 05:51, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: ? I only think Google VOice is US-only, anyway, so that's out of the picture. If Britain is supported now, you're lucky, because Google has been claiming expansion for a long time now. I really wish more companies would take advantage of virtual phone numbers. I am maybe a bit paranoid; but as with mail, I would rather do without than use Google for anything. The horrific things which keep surfacing about that company make my skin crawl, and I fail to understand why so many people put so much faith in them. A case of "Big Brother Is WAtching You" I think, and they're not getting hold of our names and details if I can avoid it. Yes; the web search engine is useful; no denying that. But for anything else I wouldn't trust them as far as I could spit! Lynne _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri May 6 17:54:23 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 17:54:23 +0100 Subject: Accessible cryptic crossword In-Reply-To: <89928839-1E94-4E59-98CF-CF06D79BD545@anarchie.org.uk> References: <89928839-1E94-4E59-98CF-CF06D79BD545@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <0A6E6E60-13E7-4AB5-9F43-1031B2FCEDFA@computing.dcu.ie> Hi Anne, Would definitely be interested, and certainly not bored. *smile* D?nal On 6 May 2011, at 17:45, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I love cryptic crosswords and especially the Guardian crossword, so I'm really pleased to find that the standard version of the daily Guardian crossword is completely accessible with VO. This goes for the quick crossword, too. I can actually do the crossword online. If anyone is interested in this, I'll happily explain how to do it, but I won't bore the list if no one else wants to know. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri May 6 17:56:16 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 17:56:16 +0100 Subject: ibank Message-ID: <9751A842-C2C8-48B3-8600-0736F1A2D9C9@gmail.com> hi all, i am trying this ibank. Many of the features I don't htink we can use though, since a lot seems to be graphs and piecharts to monitor expenses, how do people find this program for the mac? From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri May 6 17:57:07 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 17:57:07 +0100 Subject: Accessible cryptic crossword In-Reply-To: <89928839-1E94-4E59-98CF-CF06D79BD545@anarchie.org.uk> References: <89928839-1E94-4E59-98CF-CF06D79BD545@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <0254C8D5-2A62-4C2D-A55E-F752C4AF9A7C@gmail.com> yes please anne I like crosswords, to On 6 May 2011, at 17:45, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I love cryptic crosswords and especially the Guardian crossword, so I'm really pleased to find that the standard version of the daily Guardian crossword is completely accessible with VO. This goes for the quick crossword, too. I can actually do the crossword online. If anyone is interested in this, I'll happily explain how to do it, but I won't bore the list if no one else wants to know. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Fri May 6 18:03:03 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 18:03:03 +0100 Subject: Accessible cryptic crossword In-Reply-To: <0254C8D5-2A62-4C2D-A55E-F752C4AF9A7C@gmail.com> References: <89928839-1E94-4E59-98CF-CF06D79BD545@anarchie.org.uk> <0254C8D5-2A62-4C2D-A55E-F752C4AF9A7C@gmail.com> Message-ID: sounds interesting. Ian McNamara From anne at anarchie.org.uk Fri May 6 18:13:18 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 19:13:18 +0200 Subject: Accessible cryptic crossword In-Reply-To: <0254C8D5-2A62-4C2D-A55E-F752C4AF9A7C@gmail.com> References: <89928839-1E94-4E59-98CF-CF06D79BD545@anarchie.org.uk> <0254C8D5-2A62-4C2D-A55E-F752C4AF9A7C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D19AE9B-529E-404E-AEBD-DF7C575ABAEA@anarchie.org.uk> Hello D?nal and Will, First, here's the link to the crossword page: Use the web rotor to find the cryptic crossword for today and choose the standard version. Once on the correct page, use the rotor to find Heading level 4, Across or Down. Below the heading is a list of clues you can interact with. When you have an answer, interact once and focus on the clue number, bring the mouse and press VO-Space bar. You'll land on the correct place to start typing. You'll be moved automatically to the next square, but if you make a mistake, you can use the arrow keys alone to move from square to square (left and right for the across clues, up and down for the down clues). Before entering a clue, set a hotspot so that you can get back to the list of clues quickly. Cheers, Anne On 6 May 2011, at 18:57, william lomas wrote: > yes please anne I like crosswords, to > > On 6 May 2011, at 17:45, Anne Robertson wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> I love cryptic crosswords and especially the Guardian crossword, so I'm really pleased to find that the standard version of the daily Guardian crossword is completely accessible with VO. This goes for the quick crossword, too. I can actually do the crossword online. If anyone is interested in this, I'll happily explain how to do it, but I won't bore the list if no one else wants to know. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri May 6 18:20:10 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 18:20:10 +0100 Subject: Accessible cryptic crossword In-Reply-To: <4D19AE9B-529E-404E-AEBD-DF7C575ABAEA@anarchie.org.uk> References: <89928839-1E94-4E59-98CF-CF06D79BD545@anarchie.org.uk> <0254C8D5-2A62-4C2D-A55E-F752C4AF9A7C@gmail.com> <4D19AE9B-529E-404E-AEBD-DF7C575ABAEA@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <2976AA03-0DB9-4139-B175-3DAEC483A642@computing.dcu.ie> Great solution Anne. I must use hotspots more... On 6 May 2011, at 18:13, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello D?nal and Will, > > First, here's the link to the crossword page: > > Use the web rotor to find the cryptic crossword for today and choose the standard version. > > Once on the correct page, use the rotor to find Heading level 4, Across or Down. > Below the heading is a list of clues you can interact with. When you have an answer, interact once and focus on the clue number, bring the mouse and press VO-Space bar. You'll land on the correct place to start typing. You'll be moved automatically to the next square, but if you make a mistake, you can use the arrow keys alone to move from square to square (left and right for the across clues, up and down for the down clues). > > Before entering a clue, set a hotspot so that you can get back to the list of clues quickly. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 6 May 2011, at 18:57, william lomas wrote: > >> yes please anne I like crosswords, to >> >> On 6 May 2011, at 17:45, Anne Robertson wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> I love cryptic crosswords and especially the Guardian crossword, so I'm really pleased to find that the standard version of the daily Guardian crossword is completely accessible with VO. This goes for the quick crossword, too. I can actually do the crossword online. If anyone is interested in this, I'll happily explain how to do it, but I won't bore the list if no one else wants to know. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri May 6 18:50:46 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 03:50:46 +1000 Subject: Accessible cryptic crossword In-Reply-To: <89928839-1E94-4E59-98CF-CF06D79BD545@anarchie.org.uk> References: <89928839-1E94-4E59-98CF-CF06D79BD545@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <4DC434F6.2020303@internode.on.net> I'm glad to hear that too, have you heard of a Crossword Puzzler application called Blackink, have you given that a go? Sorry, don't have an url to hand. On 7/05/2011 2:45 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I love cryptic crosswords and especially the Guardian crossword, so I'm really pleased to find that the standard version of the daily Guardian crossword is completely accessible with VO. This goes for the quick crossword, too. I can actually do the crossword online. If anyone is interested in this, I'll happily explain how to do it, but I won't bore the list if no one else wants to know. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From anne at anarchie.org.uk Fri May 6 20:06:46 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 21:06:46 +0200 Subject: Accessible cryptic crossword In-Reply-To: <4DC434F6.2020303@internode.on.net> References: <89928839-1E94-4E59-98CF-CF06D79BD545@anarchie.org.uk> <4DC434F6.2020303@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hello Dane, On 6 May 2011, at 19:50, Dane Trethowan wrote: > have you heard of a Crossword Puzzler application called Blackink, have you given that a go? No, I haven't heard of that. But I prefer crosswords in newspapers rather than from collections. I've done online crosswords for a long time, but I always used to set them up on my crossword board. Doing them online is quicker, and there are no little cubes to drop on the floor! Cheers, Anne From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri May 6 20:08:13 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 05:08:13 +1000 Subject: Accessible cryptic crossword In-Reply-To: References: <89928839-1E94-4E59-98CF-CF06D79BD545@anarchie.org.uk> <4DC434F6.2020303@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4DC4471D.9050109@internode.on.net> That's the point Anne, Blackink can download newspaper crosswords and compile them for you. On 7/05/2011 5:06 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Dane, > > On 6 May 2011, at 19:50, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> have you heard of a Crossword Puzzler application called Blackink, have you given that a go? > No, I haven't heard of that. But I prefer crosswords in newspapers rather than from collections. > > I've done online crosswords for a long time, but I always used to set them up on my crossword board. Doing them online is quicker, and there are no little cubes to drop on the floor! > > Cheers, > > Anne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 6 20:23:16 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 20:23:16 +0100 Subject: eSet Cyber Security for Mac Message-ID: <8A0FE0CB-AC2D-4D44-A1CD-79FD511E830A@mac-access.net> Hi all Anybody know how to remove this thing? It's getting right up my nose. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 6 20:32:57 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 20:32:57 +0100 Subject: Writing to NTFS Drive Via Mac Message-ID: <3358FDE7-F965-48B2-8F26-197E8810DF48@mac-access.net> Hello everybody I had a utility installed a while ago which was supposed to let you write to NTSS drives from OSX. I think it is called Mac Fusion. But I can't get the darn thing to work. Any suggestions as to another way around this? Yes; I know I could format the drive as FAT32 but I really don't want to do that if there is a work-around. Also, while I'm on, I know that in Cocktail, you can turn off the .DS_STORE file creation for network volumes. But this doesn't seem to apply to local external volumes such as USB or FireWire drives. Is there a way to do that does anybody know? Lynne\ From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri May 6 20:44:21 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 05:44:21 +1000 Subject: Black Ink - Solve Crossword Puzzles With Style Message-ID: <4DC44F95.8070606@internode.on.net> Hi! A follow-up to the conversation on Crossword Puzzles etc, here's the link to the Blackink Crossword Puzzle software if anyone's interested. This software is developped by the same company who develop the very nice Mars Edit blogging client/editor. From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 6 21:11:26 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 13:11:26 -0700 Subject: Writing to NTFS Drive Via Mac In-Reply-To: <3358FDE7-F965-48B2-8F26-197E8810DF48@mac-access.net> References: <3358FDE7-F965-48B2-8F26-197E8810DF48@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <86F3496B-61FF-44F2-933C-75B49747D3A2@gmail.com> don't htink you can turn off the ds store thing. and macfuse just works. install it and restart and then read and right to ntfs drives. Good luck. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 6, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > I had a utility installed a while ago which was supposed to let you write to NTSS drives from OSX. I think it is called Mac Fusion. But I can't get the darn thing to work. Any suggestions as to another way around this? > > Yes; I know I could format the drive as FAT32 but I really don't want to do that if there is a work-around. Also, while I'm on, I know that in Cocktail, you can turn off the .DS_STORE file creation for network volumes. But this doesn't seem to apply to local external volumes such as USB or FireWire drives. Is there a way to do that does anybody know? > > Lynne\ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 6 21:11:59 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 13:11:59 -0700 Subject: eSet Cyber Security for Mac In-Reply-To: <8A0FE0CB-AC2D-4D44-A1CD-79FD511E830A@mac-access.net> References: <8A0FE0CB-AC2D-4D44-A1CD-79FD511E830A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: If you have trashme or app trapper and you have it set to del all files when you drag an app to the trash use that and it should work. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 6, 2011, at 12:23 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Anybody know how to remove this thing? It's getting right up my nose. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 6 21:14:14 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 21:14:14 +0100 Subject: Writing to NTFS Drive Via Mac In-Reply-To: <86F3496B-61FF-44F2-933C-75B49747D3A2@gmail.com> References: <3358FDE7-F965-48B2-8F26-197E8810DF48@mac-access.net> <86F3496B-61FF-44F2-933C-75B49747D3A2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <24CB7D9E-0284-484A-BE4B-18A5163E8E74@mac-access.net> Hello Sarah On 6 May 2011, at 21:11, Sarah Alawami wrote: ? don't htink you can turn off the ds store thing. and macfuse just works. install it and restart and then read and right to ntfs drives. Gordon seems to think you can turn them off actually. So we'll look. As for Fusion, (not to be confused, for the sake of anybody reading this) with VMWare Fusion, didn't work at all the last time we tried it. But I'll give it another shot. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 6 21:30:17 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 13:30:17 -0700 Subject: Writing to NTFS Drive Via Mac and turning off the ds store files In-Reply-To: <24CB7D9E-0284-484A-BE4B-18A5163E8E74@mac-access.net> References: <3358FDE7-F965-48B2-8F26-197E8810DF48@mac-access.net> <86F3496B-61FF-44F2-933C-75B49747D3A2@gmail.com> <24CB7D9E-0284-484A-BE4B-18A5163E8E74@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <83D170AD-BED7-491C-BDB1-9D97D6AD8072@gmail.com> Oh? Hmm Ok? I'd love to learn that then. Hey something to put in my tool belt. Keep us posted. Take care. I'd love to turn that off for my external ntfs hd I use and my bootcamp partition but that's just a partition lol! Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 6, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > On 6 May 2011, at 21:11, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > ? don't htink you can turn off the ds store thing. and macfuse just works. install it and restart and then read and right to ntfs drives. > > Gordon seems to think you can turn them off actually. So we'll look. As for Fusion, (not to be confused, for the sake of anybody reading this) with VMWare Fusion, didn't work at all the last time we tried it. But I'll give it another shot. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From va3ets2000 at me.com Fri May 6 23:48:07 2011 From: va3ets2000 at me.com (Dan Eickmeier) Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 18:48:07 -0400 Subject: eSet Cyber Security for Mac In-Reply-To: <8A0FE0CB-AC2D-4D44-A1CD-79FD511E830A@mac-access.net> References: <8A0FE0CB-AC2D-4D44-A1CD-79FD511E830A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi, wouldn't moving it to the trash, like any other app, get rid of it? I just did this now, since you said it wasn't very good from an accessibility prospective. And it's not nagging at me or anything. Not seeing any messages in the console from LaunchD or anything like that about it trying to launch or anything. When moving this app to the trash I had to authenticate with my admin password, and then once I hit return, it was in the trash. What's going on with it for you? On May 6, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Anybody know how to remove this thing? It's getting right up my nose. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Sat May 7 00:05:28 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 00:05:28 +0100 Subject: eSet Cyber Security for Mac In-Reply-To: References: <8A0FE0CB-AC2D-4D44-A1CD-79FD511E830A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6367C9E3-CBFF-4152-A298-44B621444BDD@mac-access.net> Hi No, I think you'll get problems when you log back into your system. Eset is part of the log-in sequence somehow and it needs to be removed properly I believe. Gordon On 6 May 2011, at 23:48, Dan Eickmeier wrote: Hi, wouldn't moving it to the trash, like any other app, get rid of it? I just did this now, since you said it wasn't very good from an accessibility prospective. And it's not nagging at me or anything. Not seeing any messages in the console from LaunchD or anything like that about it trying to launch or anything. When moving this app to the trash I had to authenticate with my admin password, and then once I hit return, it was in the trash. What's going on with it for you? From tsiegel at softcon.com Sat May 7 02:05:16 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 20:05:16 -0500 Subject: google (was Betcha We're In Trouble!) In-Reply-To: <06B636B0-B148-4D07-8A96-280B4DD3A914@fastmail.us> References: <918835D8-DAAF-4122-BAA3-DA99DE53629D@mac-access.net> <793C4967-A9AB-4AFF-9DCC-C4032FDC47EB@mac-access.net> <073D1125-88E4-4003-9F9C-A6F6998A5C7A@gmail.com> <06B636B0-B148-4D07-8A96-280B4DD3A914@fastmail.us> Message-ID: I too use google's search engine, and not much else. They keep buying up more and more technologies, incorporating them into their network, and trying (imo) to directly compete with ms. The only other piece of google I'll even touch is the google code where opensource projects are hosted, a lot folks moved to google when sourceforge made some recent changes, and I'm seeing more and more folks use google now for their opensource projects. For the most part, google pretends to do the accessibility thing, but when push comes to shove, they don't care anymore than ms does, so that's one reason I despise their services. Unfortunately, sometimes, that's the only way to get support, join a google's group I have been trying for more than a year to get into one group, and I'm still not subscribed. I've given up, and think I'll just cancel that monthly payment and forget about it. Very irritating. From lynne at mac-access.net Sat May 7 02:13:16 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 02:13:16 +0100 Subject: q In-Reply-To: References: <918835D8-DAAF-4122-BAA3-DA99DE53629D@mac-access.net> <793C4967-A9AB-4AFF-9DCC-C4032FDC47EB@mac-access.net> <073D1125-88E4-4003-9F9C-A6F6998A5C7A@gmail.com> <06B636B0-B148-4D07-8A96-280B4DD3A914@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <5870182C-3A04-4FCD-A4F9-EE0FB1FF02F7@mac-access.net> Hello Travis & all I was afraid of this; we're way off topic here. So can we discontinue this thread please. I actually took my reply to Justin off list for that exact reason. Lynne From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Sat May 7 12:38:45 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 21:38:45 +1000 Subject: need help with a few aplacations on the mac Message-ID: hi all i have tuns of audio books and itunes has had fun spreading them all over the place is there a way that you can get itunes to play audio books in order? or what do you do to prevent itunes from having a feild day with your audio books? also can you zip more than one file at once? and does any one know if there are many audio games for vision impaired people on the mac? thanks all From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Sat May 7 12:43:10 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 21:43:10 +1000 Subject: WMV and Itunes question. In-Reply-To: <2C65F884889E4B6C8759C90499A6A03B@CNIBnotebook> References: <2C65F884889E4B6C8759C90499A6A03B@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <8AACBCFB-1AD9-454A-8A6F-D7121FAB2376@bluebottle.com> hi all i have some ogg files too and i want to add them to i tunes how can i get the mac to know what a ogg file is? or is there any thing out there to convert ogg files thanks as i have a bunch of them and not sure what to do thanks On 03/05/2011, at 9:05 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hi Folks: > > I have some high quality WMV files that I nead to play in Itunes. > > How can this be accomplished while maintaining the same video quality? > > Thanks all over the place gang. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Sat May 7 12:59:31 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 07:59:31 -0400 Subject: WMV and Itunes question. In-Reply-To: <8AACBCFB-1AD9-454A-8A6F-D7121FAB2376@bluebottle.com> References: <2C65F884889E4B6C8759C90499A6A03B@CNIBnotebook> <8AACBCFB-1AD9-454A-8A6F-D7121FAB2376@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: 1. When in iTunes, go into preferences with command-comma. 2. Select general, and tab to the import settings button and press the space bar. 3. In the import using popup, select Apple lossless encoder, then tab to the ok button and press it. 4. Tab to the ok button there and press it, and you'll be back in the main iTunes window. 5. Go to the music table and find the .ogg file or files you want to convert. 6. If you do have multiple files to convert and they are listed together, press the shift key and arrow down, and each song you land on will become part of the selected songs to be converted. 7. Use vo-m to go into the menus and go to advanced. 8. Arrow down to convert to Apple lossless and press enter. On May 7, 2011, at 7:43 AM, krystal watson wrote: > hi all i have some ogg files too and i want to add them to i tunes how can i get the mac to know what a ogg file is? or is there any thing out there to convert ogg files thanks as i have a bunch of them and not sure what to do thanks > On 03/05/2011, at 9:05 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > >> Hi Folks: >> >> I have some high quality WMV files that I nead to play in Itunes. >> >> How can this be accomplished while maintaining the same video quality? >> >> Thanks all over the place gang. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Sat May 7 14:03:46 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 14:03:46 +0100 Subject: WMV and Itunes question. In-Reply-To: References: <2C65F884889E4B6C8759C90499A6A03B@CNIBnotebook> <8AACBCFB-1AD9-454A-8A6F-D7121FAB2376@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: Hi Krystal! After following Marcy's instructions before going to the menu and scrolling to advanced to find that convert to losless command! When still on the track or tracks to convert just open vo+shift+m and in there will be make losless version and just vo+space that! and you should get a sound when the conversion is done! Also I've set my view options command+j to show what kind the track is! Because after conversion there will be 2 of each track and that [kind ] column tells you which ones which without having to leave Itunes! And there is other options you might like to add to your column view or indeed get rid of ones you do not like! And do not forget to change your conversion import setting after your done! Unless you want all future imports as losless of course! Colin I'm far too bad for Heaven! The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! On 7 May 2011, at 12:59, Marcy Weinberg wrote: > 1. When in iTunes, go into preferences with command-comma. > 2. Select general, and tab to the import settings button and press the space bar. > 3. In the import using popup, select Apple lossless encoder, then tab to the ok button and press it. > 4. Tab to the ok button there and press it, and you'll be back in the main iTunes window. > 5. Go to the music table and find the .ogg file or files you want to convert. > 6. If you do have multiple files to convert and they are listed together, press the shift key and arrow down, and each song you land on will become part of the selected songs to be converted. > 7. Use vo-m to go into the menus and go to advanced. > 8. Arrow down to convert to Apple lossless and press enter. > > On May 7, 2011, at 7:43 AM, krystal watson wrote: > >> hi all i have some ogg files too and i want to add them to i tunes how can i get the mac to know what a ogg file is? or is there any thing out there to convert ogg files thanks as i have a bunch of them and not sure what to do thanks >> On 03/05/2011, at 9:05 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >> >>> Hi Folks: >>> >>> I have some high quality WMV files that I nead to play in Itunes. >>> >>> How can this be accomplished while maintaining the same video quality? >>> >>> Thanks all over the place gang. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Sat May 7 16:57:28 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 11:57:28 -0400 Subject: How to stop iTunes from automatically adding played items Message-ID: Hello List, I have seen this question before but somehow never find the direct answer. I've looked all over itunes and the system preferences in case it is there. I can't find a option to stop iTunes from adding played tracks to my library. Can someone give me some clear directions as to where I can turn this off and on. To be very specific, now whenever anything is played in itunes on my mac it is automatically added to iTunes. I would like to stop this behavior. Eric Caron From jekis at fastmail.us Sat May 7 17:19:42 2011 From: jekis at fastmail.us (Justin Ekis) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 09:19:42 -0700 Subject: How to stop iTunes from automatically adding played items In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi eric, Though this Defies all common sense, I don't think there is any way to turn off this interesting "feature" of iTunes. I don't even play anything in iTunes unless I know I'll be wanting it in the library. I use VLC for just about everything. I don't really know what Apple is thinking by not making this optional. If you ever do find a solution please let us know. Sorry I couldn't be any more help. Justin On May 7, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Eric Caron wrote: Hello List, I have seen this question before but somehow never find the direct answer. I've looked all over itunes and the system preferences in case it is there. I can't find a option to stop iTunes from adding played tracks to my library. Can someone give me some clear directions as to where I can turn this off and on. To be very specific, now whenever anything is played in itunes on my mac it is automatically added to iTunes. I would like to stop this behavior. Eric Caron _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From moriond at mac.com Sat May 7 17:21:19 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 06:21:19 -1000 Subject: How to stop iTunes from automatically adding played items In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <812B7F51-246E-4238-B28C-B4C1063933CC@mac.com> Hi Eric, You can play tracks without adding them to your iTunes library if you QuickLook them by pressing space bar instead of opening them in an app. This obviously does not work for DRM protected apps, since iTunes is required to validate the DRM (e.g. with audiobooks purchased from Audible or the iTunes Store, movies, really old iTunes Music tracks that were purchased before they moved to DRM-free purchases, etc.) Other than that, you can set the default app to open mp3 files, for example, to be something other than iTunes (e.g., VLC, QuickTime Player, etc.). Just select an mp3 track, and use Command-I to bring up the "Get Info" window. Use item chooser (VO-I) to navigate to the "Open with" option: specifically VO-Right arrow to the pop up button for the application, VO-Space, then select the app you want other than iTunes (e.g. QuickTime Player or VLC). If you then VO-Right arrow past the pop up, there's an option to "Use this application to open all documents like this one." followed by a "Change All" button that you can press (VO-Space) before closing the get info window with Command-W. I think that as long as iTunes is the default app for opening a file, it adds the new entries to its library. Just QuickLook the file instead of opening it if you don't want it to be added to iTunes. HTH. Cheers, Esther On May 7, 2011, at 05:57, Eric Caron wrote: > Hello List, > > I have seen this question before but somehow never find the direct answer. I've looked all over itunes and the system preferences in case it is there. I can't find a option to stop iTunes from adding played tracks to my library. Can someone give me some clear directions as to where I can turn this off and on. > > To be very specific, now whenever anything is played in itunes on my mac it is automatically added to iTunes. I would like to stop this behavior. > > > Eric Caron > From n0oxy at charter.net Sat May 7 18:39:33 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 12:39:33 -0500 Subject: How to stop iTunes from automatically adding played items In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3900D37F-7C6F-480C-9690-771051679D06@charter.net> There's really no way to do this that I know of. That's why I use vlc player to play most things. On May 7, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Eric Caron wrote: > Hello List, > > I have seen this question before but somehow never find the direct answer. I've looked all over itunes and the system preferences in case it is there. I can't find a option to stop iTunes from adding played tracks to my library. Can someone give me some clear directions as to where I can turn this off and on. > > To be very specific, now whenever anything is played in itunes on my mac it is automatically added to iTunes. I would like to stop this behavior. > > > Eric Caron > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat May 7 21:22:03 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 21:22:03 +0100 Subject: Verbosity levels Message-ID: HI all, I am now looking more at the verbosity levels in voiceover at the moment I am set to medium. I know each control has a low, medium and high setting but how do I find out what low does, what medium does, and what high does or wahtever each attribute has as its setting? for example if say i select checkbox, what do the settings mean for that item it is unclear? From lynne at mac-access.net Sat May 7 21:34:22 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 21:34:22 +0100 Subject: Verbosity levels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <203BA048-6183-4864-B940-3BD83056DC68@mac-access.net> Hello William On 7 May 2011, at 21:22, william lomas wrote: ? I am now looking more at the verbosity levels in voiceover at the moment I am set to medium. I know each control has a low, medium and high setting but how do I find out what low does, what medium does, and what high does or wahtever each attribute has as its setting? for example if say i select checkbox, what do the settings mean for that item it is unclear? If you expand the "Details" view in the verbosity pane I think these should show you what you want to see. Lynne From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Sat May 7 22:18:48 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 22:18:48 +0100 Subject: iPad user guide. Message-ID: Folks I'm having one of those evenings I'm afraid. Could anyone point me at the accessible version of the iPad user manual? I've recently acquired the iPad 1, and am enjoying playing with it, however there are a few things regarding configuring VPN connections that I need to check up. Cheers, D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From lara_green at btinternet.com Sat May 7 22:28:28 2011 From: lara_green at btinternet.com (Lara Green) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 22:28:28 +0100 Subject: iPhone iPhone. Braillesense In-Reply-To: <3900D37F-7C6F-480C-9690-771051679D06@charter.net> References: <3900D37F-7C6F-480C-9690-771051679D06@charter.net> Message-ID: <4A094B18-CE4C-4511-A5F6-7B932119F1E3@btinternet.com> I have a braillesense and a 3G iPhone.is it possible to pair the devices visa lustily to control n the oho be? If so what is the best way of getting Braille ins 3G.. LarA Sent from my iPhone On 7 May 2011, at 18:39, Mike Arrigo wrote: > There's really no way to do this that I know of. That's why I use vlc player to play most things. > On May 7, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Eric Caron wrote: > >> Hello List, >> >> I have seen this question before but somehow never find the direct answer. I've looked all over itunes and the system preferences in case it is there. I can't find a option to stop iTunes from adding played tracks to my library. Can someone give me some clear directions as to where I can turn this off and on. >> >> To be very specific, now whenever anything is played in itunes on my mac it is automatically added to iTunes. I would like to stop this behavior. >> >> >> Eric Caron >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat May 7 23:31:32 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 23:31:32 +0100 Subject: iPhone iPhone. Braillesense In-Reply-To: <4A094B18-CE4C-4511-A5F6-7B932119F1E3@btinternet.com> References: <3900D37F-7C6F-480C-9690-771051679D06@charter.net> <4A094B18-CE4C-4511-A5F6-7B932119F1E3@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <2B974684-F502-4B3A-80FC-849ED6A370D8@mac-access.net> Hello Lara On 7 May 2011, at 22:28, Lara Green wrote: ? I have a braillesense and a 3G iPhone.is it possible to pair the devices visa lustily to control n the oho be? If so what is the best way of getting Braille ins 3G.. Could you try that again? You seem to have experienced problems while typing. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Sun May 8 02:23:52 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 02:23:52 +0100 Subject: The Perfect Example Of Image-based PDF Message-ID: <1FFF717E-1D5A-4BF2-B2C1-4CB3F788BDA9@mac-access.net> Hello everybody For the third time running it looks like Gordon and I are heading for a sleepless night. We are goth pretty darn shattered, but we've been playing with different oCR programmes and finding out which one coms out top of the pops when recognising difficult PDF files. We found this particular file we are using as a template when browsing through our very extensive notes on applications and services to which we have subscribed. This particular PDF is, to those of us who cab seen them, a series of images rather than just one single image stuck into a PdF file The document that we are attempting to extract is actually quite appropriate as it's a very technical document all about Windows itself. I would imagine this is the technical support engineer's dream document, based on what I have actually seen of it so far. So, we will see what the big 4 applications; Vuescan, Abbyy FineReader Express, ReadIris Pro and DocuScan Plus all make of it. This document will present something of a challenge I think, as it's very intensely graphical. But there is text there and if it can be pulled out, that's great. I will let the group know what we find. Lynne From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Sun May 8 03:20:06 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 12:20:06 +1000 Subject: WMV and Itunes question. In-Reply-To: References: <2C65F884889E4B6C8759C90499A6A03B@CNIBnotebook> <8AACBCFB-1AD9-454A-8A6F-D7121FAB2376@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: <383D058F-34B0-4734-8774-5F539ECCBC24@bluebottle.com> i have it set to convert but its not showing the tracks any way there not there in the i tunes liburary any where have looked in there by hand and i can not find the file i do have them in downloads maybe i tunes didn't ad it as it didn't know what .ogg was at all so what can i do to convert it to mp3 or something if its not in the actual libruary don't know what to do sorry On 07/05/2011, at 11:03 PM, Colin M wrote: > Hi Krystal! > After following Marcy's instructions before going to the menu and scrolling to advanced to find that convert to losless command! > When still on the track or tracks to convert just open vo+shift+m and in there will be make losless version and just vo+space that! > and you should get a sound when the conversion is done! > Also I've set my view options command+j to show what kind the track is! > Because after conversion there will be 2 of each track and that [kind ] column tells you which ones which without having to leave Itunes! > And there is other options you might like to add to your column view or indeed get rid of ones you do not like! > And do not forget to change your conversion import setting after your done! > Unless you want all future imports as losless of course! > Colin > > I'm far too bad for Heaven! > The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! > > On 7 May 2011, at 12:59, Marcy Weinberg wrote: > >> 1. When in iTunes, go into preferences with command-comma. >> 2. Select general, and tab to the import settings button and press the space bar. >> 3. In the import using popup, select Apple lossless encoder, then tab to the ok button and press it. >> 4. Tab to the ok button there and press it, and you'll be back in the main iTunes window. >> 5. Go to the music table and find the .ogg file or files you want to convert. >> 6. If you do have multiple files to convert and they are listed together, press the shift key and arrow down, and each song you land on will become part of the selected songs to be converted. >> 7. Use vo-m to go into the menus and go to advanced. >> 8. Arrow down to convert to Apple lossless and press enter. >> >> On May 7, 2011, at 7:43 AM, krystal watson wrote: >> >>> hi all i have some ogg files too and i want to add them to i tunes how can i get the mac to know what a ogg file is? or is there any thing out there to convert ogg files thanks as i have a bunch of them and not sure what to do thanks >>> On 03/05/2011, at 9:05 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Folks: >>>> >>>> I have some high quality WMV files that I nead to play in Itunes. >>>> >>>> How can this be accomplished while maintaining the same video quality? >>>> >>>> Thanks all over the place gang. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun May 8 03:50:34 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 19:50:34 -0700 Subject: The Perfect Example Of Image-based PDF In-Reply-To: <1FFF717E-1D5A-4BF2-B2C1-4CB3F788BDA9@mac-access.net> References: <1FFF717E-1D5A-4BF2-B2C1-4CB3F788BDA9@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <709A967A-2517-4F12-B112-096510C95B33@gmail.com> Hey good luck. keep us posted. I'm waiting for my older scanner to b e supported. it is an mdf scanner that I believe is a cannon but not sure lol1 I lost the usb cord that is suposed to plug in, but I'm straying. sounds nice and like a good experament. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 7, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > For the third time running it looks like Gordon and I are heading for a sleepless night. We are goth pretty darn shattered, but we've been playing with different oCR programmes and finding out which one coms out top of the pops when recognising difficult PDF files. > > We found this particular file we are using as a template when browsing through our very extensive notes on applications and services to which we have subscribed. This particular PDF is, to those of us who cab seen them, a series of images rather than just one single image stuck into a PdF file The document that we are attempting to extract is actually quite appropriate as it's a very technical document all about Windows itself. > > I would imagine this is the technical support engineer's dream document, based on what I have actually seen of it so far. So, we will see what the big 4 applications; Vuescan, Abbyy FineReader Express, ReadIris Pro and DocuScan Plus all make of it. This document will present something of a challenge I think, as it's very intensely graphical. But there is text there and if it can be pulled out, that's great. I will let the group know what we find. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Sun May 8 05:35:54 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sat, 07 May 2011 18:35:54 -1000 Subject: iPad user guide. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <047E7020-6A6A-4073-B5B0-DF032AE36BC5@mac.com> Hi D?nal, There are accessible HTML versions of the User Guides for the iPad, iPod Touch, and iPhone. Here are the links to each: ? iPad User Guide: http://help.apple.com/ipad/4/voiceover/en/ ? iPod Touch User Guide: http://help.apple.com/ipodtouch/4/voiceover/en/ ? iPhone User Guide is: http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/en/ Personally, what I found most useful when I was first learning the iPod Touch (my first iOS device) was to look through the HTML version of the guide, and then navigate down to a section like "Accessibility" or "VoiceOver" or "VoiceOver Gestures" and add this to my home screen. From the Safari app, once you're at the section you want to link, navigate to the "Utilities" button (3rd of 5 buttons at the bottom of the iPhone or iPod Touch screen, and just above the "Home" button; on the iPad find this button by doing a four finger tap on the top half of the screen to move to the first element, then flick right past "Back", "Forward", "Tabs", and "Bookmarks" to "Utilities) and double tap. Flick right to the "Add to Home Screen" button in the list of options, and double tap. Now, if you want to look up VoiceOver gestures or shortcut combinations for controlling your screen with a paired Bluetooth Keyboard or iPad KeyboardDock, you can quickly find the section you want. You can also find ePub versions of these guides under iBooks. You have to download iBooks as a free app from the App Store, since it isn't loaded onto the device by default. Once you have launched iBooks, just go to the Store of iBooks and type "Apple Inc." into the search field. There are six user guides -- two each for the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad. If you want the one for the latest version of iOS, make sure the title is "iPhone User Guide for iOS4.2 and 4.3" (or "iPod Touch User Guide for iOS 4.3" or "iPad User Guide for iOS 4.3"), since there are also version of each guide for iOS 4.2 only. These are free, and you can download them onto your device. When you have opened the book, you can either use the search field or the table of contents to navigate to the section you want. For example, the buttons on the top of the screen are "Library", "Table of Contents", "Brightness", "Fonts", "Search", and "Add Bookmark". So I could flick to the "Search" button, double tap, then type in "VoiceOver gestures" into the search field. I'll get a list of matches to my search, listed in order of appearance, along with the page number and a bit of context. I can flick through the list of results, and double tap when reach the result I want. The main discussion of VoiceOver gestures actually starts with the third of the listed matches, which only returns this as the name of the section. To go to the page I want from the search, I double tap the entry I want. Then, I can use the two finger flick down to start reading the section. If I decide that I want to bookmark the page, I can stop reading (two finger tap), and double tap the "Add Bookmark" button in the top right corner to create a bookmark. Now, let's say that at a later time I want to open the book and return to my bookmark. iBooks will normally remember the last page you read, and open to that location, but let's assume that I started reading another section and now want to return to where I set the bookmark. I'll either touch the "Library" button in the top left corner or use the gesture to go to the first element of the screen (now a 4 finger tap in the top of the screen, used to be a four finger flick up -- which I prefer), then flick right to the "Table of Contents" button and double tap. This screen has two tabs: one for viewing "Table of Contents" and one for viewing your "Bookmarks". Flick right to the button for "Bookmarks, 2 of 2" and double tap. I'm now presented with a list of bookmarks I have set listed in page number order. I flick right to the bookmark I want, which is given with a chapter identification, page number, and date I set the bookmark. To navigate to the bookmark I double tap the entry. If I want to resume reading, I move back to the first element of the screen (touch left corner or do your four finger tap on the top of the screen), and flick right to where the "Table of Contents" button has turned into a "Resume" button. Double tapping "Resume" takes me back to the page I was last reading. The iBooks option for these guides is nice, because it's searchable and bookmarkable, but if I want to review a specific section of the User Guide I find it easier to add it to my home page. I also think the HTML guide is updated faster and is kept more current than the ePub version in the iBooks Store. HTH. Congrats to Travis on his iPod Touch. I was traveling when he posted, but it was great reading his post. The instructions and links to the HTML version of the User Guide are also given here for the iPod Touch and iPhone, so he can decide what would be most useful for him. Also, I think there are apps for setting up VPN connections, as necessary. Cheers, Esther On May 7, 2011, at 11:18, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Folks I'm having one of those evenings I'm afraid. Could anyone point me at the accessible version of the iPad user manual? I've recently acquired the iPad 1, and am enjoying playing with it, however there are a few things regarding configuring VPN connections that I need to check up. > > Cheers, > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun May 8 06:11:34 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 7 May 2011 22:11:34 -0700 Subject: renaming an external hd in osx Message-ID: <71845ADC-D222-434F-8A58-CD45B7CF243C@gmail.com> Hello to all. How do I rename my external hd in osx? pressing enter on it causes it to ding and I really don't feel like reformatting it. thanks. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From lara_green at btinternet.com Sun May 8 06:27:57 2011 From: lara_green at btinternet.com (Lara Green) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 06:27:57 +0100 Subject: Pairing. iPhone. With braille Message-ID: <307D74B6-0DC3-47BF-BBC8-FBC8E1B90975@btinternet.com> Hi alll When trying to pair my phone with my braillesense. I am struggling. To summit Tips would be Greatfuly received... I am particularly havin difficulties. Finely bring a submit button. Thanked Lar Sent from my iPhone From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Sun May 8 11:45:27 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 11:45:27 +0100 Subject: iPad user guide. In-Reply-To: <047E7020-6A6A-4073-B5B0-DF032AE36BC5@mac.com> References: <047E7020-6A6A-4073-B5B0-DF032AE36BC5@mac.com> Message-ID: <819B7DDD-D31C-433C-8BA3-F9282DCC76E6@computing.dcu.ie> Thanks a lot Esther. iBooks in the republic of Ireland is dreadful, all we can get are classics.. I have it on the various i-devices I own but use it mainly for stuff I've bought and imported elsewhere. A shame really but there it is. thanks for the links. D?nal On 8 May 2011, at 05:35, Esther wrote: > Hi D?nal, > > There are accessible HTML versions of the User Guides for the iPad, iPod Touch, and iPhone. Here are the links to each: > ? iPad User Guide: > http://help.apple.com/ipad/4/voiceover/en/ > ? iPod Touch User Guide: > http://help.apple.com/ipodtouch/4/voiceover/en/ > ? iPhone User Guide is: > http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/en/ > > Personally, what I found most useful when I was first learning the iPod Touch (my first iOS device) was to look through the HTML version of the guide, and then navigate down to a section like "Accessibility" or "VoiceOver" or "VoiceOver Gestures" and add this to my home screen. From the Safari app, once you're at the section you want to link, navigate to the "Utilities" button (3rd of 5 buttons at the bottom of the iPhone or iPod Touch screen, and just above the "Home" button; on the iPad find this button by doing a four finger tap on the top half of the screen to move to the first element, then flick right past "Back", "Forward", "Tabs", and "Bookmarks" to "Utilities) and double tap. Flick right to the "Add to Home Screen" button in the list of options, and double tap. Now, if you want to look up VoiceOver gestures or shortcut combinations for controlling your screen with a paired Bluetooth Keyboard or iPad KeyboardDock, you can quickly find the section you want. > > You can also find ePub versions of these guides under iBooks. You have to download iBooks as a free app from the App Store, since it isn't loaded onto the device by default. Once you have launched iBooks, just go to the Store of iBooks and type "Apple Inc." into the search field. There are six user guides -- two each for the iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad. If you want the one for the latest version of iOS, make sure the title is "iPhone User Guide for iOS4.2 and 4.3" (or "iPod Touch User Guide for iOS 4.3" or "iPad User Guide for iOS 4.3"), since there are also version of each guide for iOS 4.2 only. These are free, and you can download them onto your device. When you have opened the book, you can either use the search field or the table of contents to navigate to the section you want. For example, the buttons on the top of the screen are "Library", "Table of Contents", "Brightness", "Fonts", "Search", and "Add Bookmark". So I could flick to the "Search" button, double tap, then type in "VoiceOver gestures" into the search field. I'll get a list of matches to my search, listed in order of appearance, along with the page number and a bit of context. I can flick through the list of results, and double tap when reach the result I want. The main discussion of VoiceOver gestures actually starts with the third of the listed matches, which only returns this as the name of the section. To go to the page I want from the search, I double tap the entry I want. Then, I can use the two finger flick down to start reading the section. If I decide that I want to bookmark the page, I can stop reading (two finger tap), and double tap the "Add Bookmark" button in the top right corner to create a bookmark. > > Now, let's say that at a later time I want to open the book and return to my bookmark. iBooks will normally remember the last page you read, and open to that location, but let's assume that I started reading another section and now want to return to where I set the bookmark. I'll either touch the "Library" button in the top left corner or use the gesture to go to the first element of the screen (now a 4 finger tap in the top of the screen, used to be a four finger flick up -- which I prefer), then flick right to the "Table of Contents" button and double tap. This screen has two tabs: one for viewing "Table of Contents" and one for viewing your "Bookmarks". Flick right to the button for "Bookmarks, 2 of 2" and double tap. I'm now presented with a list of bookmarks I have set listed in page number order. I flick right to the bookmark I want, which is given with a chapter identification, page number, and date I set the bookmark. To navigate to the bookmark I double tap the entry. If I want to resume reading, I move back to the first element of the screen (touch left corner or do your four finger tap on the top of the screen), and flick right to where the "Table of Contents" button has turned into a "Resume" button. Double tapping "Resume" takes me back to the page I was last reading. > > The iBooks option for these guides is nice, because it's searchable and bookmarkable, but if I want to review a specific section of the User Guide I find it easier to add it to my home page. I also think the HTML guide is updated faster and is kept more current than the ePub version in the iBooks Store. > > HTH. Congrats to Travis on his iPod Touch. I was traveling when he posted, but it was great reading his post. The instructions and links to the HTML version of the User Guide are also given here for the iPod Touch and iPhone, so he can decide what would be most useful for him. > > Also, I think there are apps for setting up VPN connections, as necessary. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On May 7, 2011, at 11:18, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Folks I'm having one of those evenings I'm afraid. Could anyone point me at the accessible version of the iPad user manual? I've recently acquired the iPad 1, and am enjoying playing with it, however there are a few things regarding configuring VPN connections that I need to check up. >> >> Cheers, >> >> D?nal >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Sun May 8 14:01:35 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 14:01:35 +0100 Subject: WMV and Itunes question. In-Reply-To: <383D058F-34B0-4734-8774-5F539ECCBC24@bluebottle.com> References: <2C65F884889E4B6C8759C90499A6A03B@CNIBnotebook> <8AACBCFB-1AD9-454A-8A6F-D7121FAB2376@bluebottle.com> <383D058F-34B0-4734-8774-5F539ECCBC24@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: Hi Krystal! Here is a link for a plug in to use ogg files in Itunes! I do not know how good it is but it might help you! http://www.xiph.org/quicktime/ I do not have any ogg files to worry about! :] Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 8 May 2011, at 03:20, krystal watson wrote: > i have it set to convert but its not showing the tracks any way there not there in the i tunes library any where have looked in there by hand and i can not find the file i do have them in downloads maybe i tunes didn't ad it as it didn't know what .ogg was at all so what can i do to convert it to mp3 or something if its not in the actual library don't know what to do sorry > On 07/05/2011, at 11:03 PM, Colin M wrote: > >> Hi Krystal! >> After following Marcy's instructions before going to the menu and scrolling to advanced to find that convert to losless command! >> When still on the track or tracks to convert just open vo+shift+m and in there will be make losless version and just vo+space that! >> and you should get a sound when the conversion is done! >> Also I've set my view options command+j to show what kind the track is! >> Because after conversion there will be 2 of each track and that [kind ] column tells you which ones which without having to leave Itunes! >> And there is other options you might like to add to your column view or indeed get rid of ones you do not like! >> And do not forget to change your conversion import setting after your done! >> Unless you want all future imports as losless of course! >> Colin >> >> I'm far too bad for Heaven! >> The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! >> >> On 7 May 2011, at 12:59, Marcy Weinberg wrote: >> >>> 1. When in iTunes, go into preferences with command-comma. >>> 2. Select general, and tab to the import settings button and press the space bar. >>> 3. In the import using popup, select Apple lossless encoder, then tab to the ok button and press it. >>> 4. Tab to the ok button there and press it, and you'll be back in the main iTunes window. >>> 5. Go to the music table and find the .ogg file or files you want to convert. >>> 6. If you do have multiple files to convert and they are listed together, press the shift key and arrow down, and each song you land on will become part of the selected songs to be converted. >>> 7. Use vo-m to go into the menus and go to advanced. >>> 8. Arrow down to convert to Apple lossless and press enter. >>> >>> On May 7, 2011, at 7:43 AM, krystal watson wrote: >>> >>>> hi all i have some ogg files too and i want to add them to i tunes how can i get the mac to know what a ogg file is? or is there any thing out there to convert ogg files thanks as i have a bunch of them and not sure what to do thanks >>>> On 03/05/2011, at 9:05 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Folks: >>>>> >>>>> I have some high quality WMV files that I nead to play in Itunes. >>>>> >>>>> How can this be accomplished while maintaining the same video quality? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks all over the place gang. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Sun May 8 15:10:29 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 10:10:29 -0400 Subject: How to stop iTunes from automatically adding played items In-Reply-To: <812B7F51-246E-4238-B28C-B4C1063933CC@mac.com> References: <812B7F51-246E-4238-B28C-B4C1063933CC@mac.com> Message-ID: <751A49E7-4BDE-4FC4-819C-10EFE51BC1F3@Mac-Access.net> Esther and others, Thanks so much for the responses. Esther's suggestions were just what I needed to get iTunes to do what I wanted. I changed my default for this type of application to open in Amadeus Pro. This way if I accidentally hit open on a file it isn't automatically opened to iTunes and thus cluttering up my library. Also, I feel silly that I was not using quick look but that will certainly save me a lot of time going forward. I really appreciate the listers that provide these clear directions and tips! Best to you all, Eric Caron On May 7, 2011, at 12:21 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Eric, > > You can play tracks without adding them to your iTunes library if you QuickLook them by pressing space bar instead of opening them in an app. This obviously does not work for DRM protected apps, since iTunes is required to validate the DRM (e.g. with audiobooks purchased from Audible or the iTunes Store, movies, really old iTunes Music tracks that were purchased before they moved to DRM-free purchases, etc.) Other than that, you can set the default app to open mp3 files, for example, to be something other than iTunes (e.g., VLC, QuickTime Player, etc.). Just select an mp3 track, and use Command-I to bring up the "Get Info" window. Use item chooser (VO-I) to navigate to the "Open with" option: specifically VO-Right arrow to the pop up button for the application, VO-Space, then select the app you want other than iTunes (e.g. QuickTime Player or VLC). If you then VO-Right arrow past the pop up, there's an option to "Use this application to open all documents like this on > e." followed by a "Change All" button that you can press (VO-Space) before closing the get info window with Command-W. > > I think that as long as iTunes is the default app for opening a file, it adds the new entries to its library. Just QuickLook the file instead of opening it if you don't want it to be added to iTunes. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On May 7, 2011, at 05:57, Eric Caron wrote: > >> Hello List, >> >> I have seen this question before but somehow never find the direct answer. I've looked all over itunes and the system preferences in case it is there. I can't find a option to stop iTunes from adding played tracks to my library. Can someone give me some clear directions as to where I can turn this off and on. >> >> To be very specific, now whenever anything is played in itunes on my mac it is automatically added to iTunes. I would like to stop this behavior. >> >> >> Eric Caron >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Sun May 8 15:16:05 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 09:16:05 -0500 Subject: The Perfect Example Of Image-based PDF In-Reply-To: <1FFF717E-1D5A-4BF2-B2C1-4CB3F788BDA9@mac-access.net> References: <1FFF717E-1D5A-4BF2-B2C1-4CB3F788BDA9@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Very interesting, I can't wait to see the results of this one. On May 7, 2011, at 8:23 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > For the third time running it looks like Gordon and I are heading for a sleepless night. We are goth pretty darn shattered, but we've been playing with different oCR programmes and finding out which one coms out top of the pops when recognising difficult PDF files. > > We found this particular file we are using as a template when browsing through our very extensive notes on applications and services to which we have subscribed. This particular PDF is, to those of us who cab seen them, a series of images rather than just one single image stuck into a PdF file The document that we are attempting to extract is actually quite appropriate as it's a very technical document all about Windows itself. > > I would imagine this is the technical support engineer's dream document, based on what I have actually seen of it so far. So, we will see what the big 4 applications; Vuescan, Abbyy FineReader Express, ReadIris Pro and DocuScan Plus all make of it. This document will present something of a challenge I think, as it's very intensely graphical. But there is text there and if it can be pulled out, that's great. I will let the group know what we find. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mattchao at verizon.net Sun May 8 15:52:53 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 10:52:53 -0400 Subject: The Perfect Example Of Image-based PDF In-Reply-To: References: <1FFF717E-1D5A-4BF2-B2C1-4CB3F788BDA9@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Good luck; will be anxious to know what works, as I'm looking to buy an OCR package for my MacBook Pro. Matthew Chao At 10:16 AM 5/8/2011, you wrote: >Very interesting, I can't wait to see the results of this one. >On May 7, 2011, at 8:23 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > > > Hello everybody > > > > For the third time running it looks like Gordon and I are heading > for a sleepless night. We are goth pretty darn shattered, but we've > been playing with different oCR programmes and finding out which > one coms out top of the pops when recognising difficult PDF files. > > > > We found this particular file we are using as a template when > browsing through our very extensive notes on applications and > services to which we have subscribed. This particular PDF is, to > those of us who cab seen them, a series of images rather than just > one single image stuck into a PdF file The document that we are > attempting to extract is actually quite appropriate as it's a very > technical document all about Windows itself. > > > > I would imagine this is the technical support engineer's dream > document, based on what I have actually seen of it so far. So, we > will see what the big 4 applications; Vuescan, Abbyy FineReader > Express, ReadIris Pro and DocuScan Plus all make of it. This > document will present something of a challenge I think, as it's > very intensely graphical. But there is text there and if it can be > pulled out, that's great. I will let the group know what we find. > > > > Lynne > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 6104 (20110508) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 8 17:44:34 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 11:44:34 -0500 Subject: need help with a few aplacations on the mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D81C583-FFB2-468E-A0B8-9FC72DDA8838@softcon.com> Answers to your questions In no particular order. You can find some games I've ported to the mac at: http://www.softcon.com/mac/ There's other things there too that may or may not be of interest, feel free to look around and see what's useful. Zipping multiple files at once can be done two ways, one is by using terminal (which I won't discuss here, because most folks don't like terminal, or just aren't familiar enough with it, so that leaves finder. If you have multiple files you'd like to turn into a zip file, simply create a folder on the mac, and copy all of the files you want zipped into the new folder. Then use finder's create zip file option which is found in the file menu, or in the context menu (found with vo- shift-m) and zip the folder. That will create your zip file for you with all the files you want in one archive. In itunes, there's lots of things that control what order things are played in, including the shuffle setting, whether or not you have certain options set on the audio books, and so on. What I've found to be the best way to handle this is to do the following. Highlight each book in the music list. do a command-i to get info on the file, be sure the options tab is checked, then change the checkboxes for remember playback position, part of a gapless album, and skip when shuffling. After that, change the pop-up from music to audio book, then press enter. That will change the settings in itunes, and move the book to the audio books section (if you have itunes organizing your library). I don't do this, because it irritates me when programs move files around w/o asking me first. I've lost several cds and various songs because of this stupid behavior. If there are multiple sections of a book (I.E. part 1 of 4) then you'll want to ensure those are set in the info tab as well, so they will show up in the proper order when you're looking at the listings in itunes. Hope this helps. From mattchao at verizon.net Sun May 8 19:23:52 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 14:23:52 -0400 Subject: Associating Files to Run with Specific Apps Message-ID: Hi, Folks! How do I get specific files to be opened with specific apps? For example, I have a program called Skim that I want to use to read Adobe files rather than preview. How do I get Skim to open up pdf files instead of Preview? Thanks in advance. Matthew Chao From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 8 20:45:01 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 14:45:01 -0500 Subject: Associating Files to Run with Specific Apps In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you use the context menu (vo-shift-m) or the file menu open with or always open with options, you can configure any particular file type to be opened by any program that handles that file type. It may be easier to do a command-i (get info) on a pdf (in your case) file, and click on more information. Once you do that, there is a checkbox there that says always open files of this type with this application. Of course, you will want to check that only after you've selected scheme to open your pdf files. Hope this helps. From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Mon May 9 01:49:18 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 19:49:18 -0500 Subject: Libra Office Message-ID: <23305A60-2D50-4F19-A5E5-38A745C132CD@gmail.com> Libra Office is described as a free, open source, multi-platform, multi-lingual, and powerful productivity suite. Has anyone tried it? If so, how well is VoiceOver accessibility? http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ Sent from my iPad From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon May 9 02:50:33 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 11:50:33 +1000 Subject: Ibank Message-ID: Further to the discussion on Ibank, I'm currently trying to find a list or reference to any banks or Financial Institutions in Australia that support Ibank, it would appear that one major bank in Australia - The Commonwealth Bank - has ruled out supporting the download protocol used by Ibank? Well that's what Google told me whilst trying to find answers. Does anyone else have further information on this topic? Yep, I've emailed the Ibank support and I hope to hear from them soon. From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon May 9 03:36:25 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 12:36:25 +1000 Subject: Jambox speaker system Message-ID: <263691BA-F085-4C10-B547-E55C9AD6A2BA@internode.on.net> Hi! I know people use this speaker system with the Iphone. Its now available in Australia and - as I don't use an Iphone these days - was wondering if it can be used with an ipad? I suppose given that the Jambox relies on bluetooth for connectivity then using it when any bluetooth compatible device shouldn't be a problem? From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon May 9 04:17:25 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 22:17:25 -0500 Subject: Libra Office In-Reply-To: <23305A60-2D50-4F19-A5E5-38A745C132CD@gmail.com> References: <23305A60-2D50-4F19-A5E5-38A745C132CD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <862F8400-E394-4921-BFA6-4E53A72D2FE9@softcon.com> It's code is based on open office, so I doubt it's going to work out of the box, but it might be usable. Downloading it now, also need to make preparations before grabbing the sourc (don't have a git client yet) then can comment at least a little on how difficult it might be to make it usable if it isn't. No promises though. From lmumford at uga.edu Mon May 9 04:03:22 2011 From: lmumford at uga.edu (Linda Mumford) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 03:03:22 +0000 Subject: HELP! MY MAC WON'T TALK Message-ID: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283007E5AFCC@CH1PRD0202MB109.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> HELLO EVERYBODY, I AM A WANNA BE MAC USER AND JUST GOT A MAC PRO WHICH WAS PROGRAMMED AT THE APPLE STORE TO AUTOMATICALLY HAVE VOICE OVER TURN ON WHEN I START THE COMPUTER, BUT IT'S NOT TALKING AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. I'M SENDING THIS EMAIL ON MY OLD PC BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, I'M CLUELESS ON THE MAC. PLEASE HELP-- I'M TOTALLY BLIND THANKS! LINDA MUMFORD From moriond at mac.com Mon May 9 04:32:33 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 08 May 2011 17:32:33 -1000 Subject: HELP! MY MAC WON'T TALK In-Reply-To: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283007E5AFCC@CH1PRD0202MB109.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> References: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283007E5AFCC@CH1PRD0202MB109.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <40E224DF-9AF6-4377-85E4-8E6EB7F33B24@mac.com> Hi Linda, VoiceOver can either be programmed to turn on automatically or can be turned on and off from any account by pressing Command+F5. The Command key is immediately to the left (and right) of the space bar. The F5 key should be above the number "5" key at the top of the keyboard. The keys in the top row are, from left to right on my keyboard: Escape, F1, F2, F3, F4, and F5. Try pressing the Command key (either one directly to the left or to the right of the space bar) and the F5 key on the top row. You should hear "VoiceOver On" get announced. Hope this is correct for the iMac, since I am using a laptop keyboard, but I'm pretty sure this is still true. Write back and let us know whether you've got VoiceOver speaking. The same key sequence will turn VoiceOver off if it is on, and you'll hear "VoiceOver Off". Cheers, Esther On May 8, 2011, at 17:03, Linda Mumford wrote: > HELLO EVERYBODY, > I AM A WANNA BE MAC USER AND JUST GOT A MAC PRO WHICH WAS PROGRAMMED AT THE APPLE STORE TO AUTOMATICALLY HAVE VOICE OVER TURN ON WHEN I START THE COMPUTER, BUT IT'S NOT TALKING AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. > I'M SENDING THIS EMAIL ON MY OLD PC BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, I'M CLUELESS ON THE MAC. > PLEASE HELP-- I'M TOTALLY BLIND > THANKS! > LINDA MUMFORD From support at mac-access.net Mon May 9 06:50:19 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 06:50:19 +0100 Subject: [Delayed]; New Member Welcome Message-ID: <2029BB1B-54AE-42A5-AF6F-E3CE873CFBA2@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Please do not reply to this thread on list unless your reply has a direct relevance to their Mac use or interest. It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome Scott Wood to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but have a keen interest. We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope this clarifies the position. If you have any list-related queries, please do not hesitate to contact either Gordon and myself, (the list owners), at , or one of our very capable assistant list controllers; Anne Robertson, or James Austin, and we will be happy to help you. Once again, a very warm welcome to the group. We hope you find your membership an enjoyable experience. Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon May 9 09:10:22 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 09:10:22 +0100 Subject: Jambox speaker system In-Reply-To: <263691BA-F085-4C10-B547-E55C9AD6A2BA@internode.on.net> References: <263691BA-F085-4C10-B547-E55C9AD6A2BA@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <5E7BA775-8A3A-4736-A6DB-0B543BA8C0AE@blueyonder.co.uk> It works fine with the iPad and iPad Touch, what phone you using these days? On 9 May 2011, at 03:36, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > I know people use this speaker system with the Iphone. > > Its now available in Australia and - as I don't use an Iphone these days - was wondering if it can be used with an ipad? I suppose given that the Jambox relies on bluetooth for connectivity then using it when any bluetooth compatible device shouldn't be a problem? > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Mon May 9 19:21:06 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 19:21:06 +0100 Subject: dragon dictate Message-ID: <4DA0D0CF-8ABA-4D51-BEE5-B913C625FE76@gmail.com> hi has anyone tried dragon dictate for mac? heard it is different than macspeech. how good is it? From lmumford at uga.edu Mon May 9 19:49:03 2011 From: lmumford at uga.edu (Linda Mumford) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 18:49:03 +0000 Subject: HELP! MY MAC WON'T TALK Message-ID: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283007E5B04B@CH1PRD0202MB109.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> Hi Ester, I've tried using the command plusF5 key, and nothing happens (at least sound-wise). And I don't hear any start-up sound from my Mac Pro when I power it up either (though i can tell that the screen is on). Is there a mute key i may have accidentally hit? If so, where is it? My Mac Pro is a laptop. All suggestions will be very welcome. Much thanks, Linda From phonerossy at gmail.com Mon May 9 20:26:20 2011 From: phonerossy at gmail.com (rossy) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 21:26:20 +0200 Subject: HELP! MY MAC WON'T TALK In-Reply-To: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283007E5B04B@CH1PRD0202MB109.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> References: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283007E5B04B@CH1PRD0202MB109.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <40297186-C14B-4990-BB06-2A472A26665C@gmail.com> hi try hitting f10 which is the mute function key . start from the escape . good luck rossy Il giorno 09/mag/2011, alle ore 20.49, Linda Mumford ha scritto: > Hi Ester, > > I've tried using the command plusF5 key, and nothing happens (at least sound-wise). And I don't hear any start-up sound from my Mac Pro when I power it up either (though i can tell that the screen is on). Is there a mute key i may have accidentally hit? If so, where is it? My Mac Pro is a laptop. All suggestions will be very welcome. > Much thanks, > Linda > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon May 9 21:19:11 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 15:19:11 -0500 Subject: HELP! MY MAC WON'T TALK In-Reply-To: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283007E5B04B@CH1PRD0202MB109.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> References: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283007E5B04B@CH1PRD0202MB109.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: You'll probably need to hold down the function key along with the command and f5 keys. The fn key is the one to the extreme lower left corner of your macbook. Press that, the command key (to the left of the spacebar) and then the f5 (key number six from the left on the top row) and that should turn on voiceover provided of course that your macbook is actually operational and functioning properly. If you're not getting the startup chime, it's probably because your mac isn't actually off, but only sleeping. You can fix this by holding down the power button for a few seconds. At that point, the computer will turn off completely. Then a tap of the power switch will turn it back on, whereupon you'll get the startup chime and all should operate as it should. Of course, there's no need to do this if the machine is already on. on different macbooks, different keys perform the functions, and depending on your settings the function (fn) key may or may not be necessary to make it work. On my older macbook, f3 is the mute key, but on yours (as someone already posted) it's f10, so that just confuses things more. Your volume will be the f4 and f5 keys for volume down/up which is used with or without the fn key depending on your setting for it (are you confused yet) Just try pressing f5 several times both with and without the fn key, it will make a popping noise if it's actually changing the volume, if it does this, then you can resort to your command-f5 combination to try to get vo to work. It's likely the folks at the apple store configured vo to work after you got logged into your account, but not to talk at the login screen, so that could be your issue. hth From gordon at mac-access.net Mon May 9 22:21:34 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 22:21:34 +0100 Subject: HELP! MY MAC WON'T TALK In-Reply-To: References: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283007E5B04B@CH1PRD0202MB109.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <39075AC8-A706-4CB0-92A1-37C89313CDCB@mac-access.net> Actually, Linda incidated in her messager that she tried the command plus 5 key, not F5. Linda, Esther meant the Function 5 key, not the number five. Gordon On 9 May 2011, at 21:19, Travis Siegel wrote: You'll probably need to hold down the function key along with the command and f5 keys. The fn key is the one to the extreme lower left corner of your macbook. Press that, the command key (to the left of the spacebar) and then the f5 (key number six from the left on the top row) and that should turn on voiceover provided of course that your macbook is actually operational and functioning properly. If you're not getting the startup chime, it's probably because your mac isn't actually off, but only sleeping. You can fix this by holding down the power button for a few seconds. At that point, the computer will turn off completely. Then a tap of the power switch will turn it back on, whereupon you'll get the startup chime and all should operate as it should. Of course, there's no need to do this if the machine is already on. on different macbooks, different keys perform the functions, and depending on your settings the function (fn) key may or may not be necessary to make it work. On my older macbook, f3 is the mute key, but on yours (as someone already posted) it's f10, so that just confuses things more. Your volume will be the f4 and f5 keys for volume down/up which is used with or without the fn key depending on your setting for it (are you confused yet) Just try pressing f5 several times both with and without the fn key, it will make a popping noise if it's actually changing the volume, if it does this, then you can resort to your command-f5 combination to try to get vo to work. It's likely the folks at the apple store configured vo to work after you got logged into your account, but not to talk at the login screen, so that could be your issue. hth _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Mon May 9 22:38:15 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 22:38:15 +0100 Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression Message-ID: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> Hi all Is anybody else finding this? Safari 4.05 is a real step back into the dark ages of OSX as far as VoiceOver and I are concerned. The two just don't seem to get along well together at all, Safari and VO I mean. For another example of this, could somebody please try the following website to see if you get the same results as I do? When I tab down or navigate using the VO keys below the "Online Energy" link, all I get is the age-old irritant, "Safari Busy. Safari Busy", repeatedly. Even on the rare occasions when I hear "Safari Ready", a subsequent key press brings me back to "Safari Busy". The website in question this time is and it's causing me horrendous problems since I can't pay our energy bill and, short of the accursed estimated bills, (which I despise), the next alternative is an energy disconnection. Well, it won't come to that, but I refuse to entertain estimated bills either because those bills always, without exception, work out in the company's favour, not yours and it's a devil of a job to get the money they owe you back. I used to use this site just fine under the previous two versions of Safari. But this is another instance of 4.05 being utterly dreadful in terms of its performance with VoiceOver on our systems. For reference, we have all tabs turned off. Only one Safari window open. I know that Apple does do beta testing of its OS releases but I often wonder whether they do same with Safari and other major applications. Anyway, if anybody else could try this website I'd be grateful. Gordon From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Mon May 9 22:49:39 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 22:49:39 +0100 Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <23A7361F-6B48-4F5F-80E1-F55A8F8904A3@googlemail.com> hi on some websights i get that asspeachly on facebook mobile and some other websights i go on i have to say this newer verssion is not good at all i hope they immproove it in the next one. Ian McNamara From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon May 9 22:50:06 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 14:50:06 -0700 Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Huh? I thought that we are up to safari 5 dot something by now? or maybe my brain is going crazy. I'm testing with the latest webkit engine so we'll see what happens if my connection holds out? and I'm happy to say that i have no issues at all. I could go through the links just fine. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 9, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Is anybody else finding this? Safari 4.05 is a real step back into the dark ages of OSX as far as VoiceOver and I are concerned. The two just don't seem to get along well together at all, Safari and VO I mean. > > For another example of this, could somebody please try the following website to see if you get the same results as I do? When I tab down or navigate using the VO keys below the "Online Energy" link, all I get is the age-old irritant, "Safari Busy. Safari Busy", repeatedly. Even on the rare occasions when I hear "Safari Ready", a subsequent key press brings me back to "Safari Busy". > > The website in question this time is and it's causing me horrendous problems since I can't pay our energy bill and, short of the accursed estimated bills, (which I despise), the next alternative is an energy disconnection. > > Well, it won't come to that, but I refuse to entertain estimated bills either because those bills always, without exception, work out in the company's favour, not yours and it's a devil of a job to get the money they owe you back. > > I used to use this site just fine under the previous two versions of Safari. But this is another instance of 4.05 being utterly dreadful in terms of its performance with VoiceOver on our systems. > > For reference, we have all tabs turned off. Only one Safari window open. > > I know that Apple does do beta testing of its OS releases but I often wonder whether they do same with Safari and other major applications. > > Anyway, if anybody else could try this website I'd be grateful. > > Gordon > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Mon May 9 23:23:57 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 23:23:57 +0100 Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Gordon! I'm running Safari Version 5.0.5 (6533.21.1) and I could nav the site ok! hth Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 9 May 2011, at 22:38, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Is anybody else finding this? Safari 4.05 is a real step back into the dark ages of OSX as far as VoiceOver and I are concerned. The two just don't seem to get along well together at all, Safari and VO I mean. > > For another example of this, could somebody please try the following website to see if you get the same results as I do? When I tab down or navigate using the VO keys below the "Online Energy" link, all I get is the age-old irritant, "Safari Busy. Safari Busy", repeatedly. Even on the rare occasions when I hear "Safari Ready", a subsequent key press brings me back to "Safari Busy". > > The website in question this time is and it's causing me horrendous problems since I can't pay our energy bill and, short of the accursed estimated bills, (which I despise), the next alternative is an energy disconnection. > > Well, it won't come to that, but I refuse to entertain estimated bills either because those bills always, without exception, work out in the company's favour, not yours and it's a devil of a job to get the money they owe you back. > > I used to use this site just fine under the previous two versions of Safari. But this is another instance of 4.05 being utterly dreadful in terms of its performance with VoiceOver on our systems. > > For reference, we have all tabs turned off. Only one Safari window open. > > I know that Apple does do beta testing of its OS releases but I often wonder whether they do same with Safari and other major applications. > > Anyway, if anybody else could try this website I'd be grateful. > > Gordon > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon May 9 23:28:41 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 23:28:41 +0100 Subject: VO werdness Message-ID: <9BAEB47D-E1C1-4DFA-96D1-87B47E1C0D51@blueyonder.co.uk> Ok my VO is behaving strangely, when I hit VO+F5 to turn it on or off, this key stroke tells me what is under the mouse instead. So I can't find a way to turn VO on or off. Seems to be acting strange, it happened after waking the machine up. I have also tried restarting the machine. Quick nav is not on, and VO is not locked. Any ideas? From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Mon May 9 23:35:37 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 23:35:37 +0100 Subject: VO werdness In-Reply-To: <9BAEB47D-E1C1-4DFA-96D1-87B47E1C0D51@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <9BAEB47D-E1C1-4DFA-96D1-87B47E1C0D51@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Chris! You need to press command+f5 to turn on and off! vo+f5 is to say whats under the the mouse cursor! Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 9 May 2011, at 23:28, Chris Moore wrote: > Ok my VO is behaving strangely, when I hit VO+F5 to turn it on or off, this key stroke tells me what is under the mouse instead. So I can't find a way to turn VO on or off. Seems to be acting strange, it happened after waking the machine up. I have also tried restarting the machine. Quick nav is not on, and VO is not locked. > > Any ideas? > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordon at mac-access.net Mon May 9 23:39:59 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 23:39:59 +0100 Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Sarah That should have been 5.05 not 4.05. My error. Gordon On 9 May 2011, at 22:50, Sarah Alawami wrote: Huh? I thought that we are up to safari 5 dot something by now? or maybe my brain is going crazy. I'm testing with the latest webkit engine so we'll see what happens if my connection holds out? and I'm happy to say that i have no issues at all. I could go through the links just fine. From gordon at mac-access.net Mon May 9 23:40:52 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 23:40:52 +0100 Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <84BE5EBC-3015-4609-95FA-C108CD1F267C@mac-access.net> Colin What happens if you tab down passed the "Online Energy" link? On 9 May 2011, at 23:23, Colin M wrote: Hi Gordon! I'm running Safari Version 5.0.5 (6533.21.1) and I could nav the site ok! From gordon at mac-access.net Mon May 9 23:41:41 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 23:41:41 +0100 Subject: VO werdness In-Reply-To: <9BAEB47D-E1C1-4DFA-96D1-87B47E1C0D51@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <9BAEB47D-E1C1-4DFA-96D1-87B47E1C0D51@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: Chris Stupid question but could it be your function key prefs? Gordon On 9 May 2011, at 23:28, Chris Moore wrote: Ok my VO is behaving strangely, when I hit VO+F5 to turn it on or off, this key stroke tells me what is under the mouse instead. So I can't find a way to turn VO on or off. Seems to be acting strange, it happened after waking the machine up. I have also tried restarting the machine. Quick nav is not on, and VO is not locked. Any ideas? _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Mon May 9 23:45:27 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 23:45:27 +0100 Subject: Interesting question Message-ID: <9771504B-1CD2-4BA7-AC69-C8EA4B8BFE3A@mac-access.net> Hi all This is probably a total non-starter. But as I was in the middle of a job today, it occurred to me that, since Transmit file transfer client, (please don't anybody get that mixed up with the torrent app "Transmission") now supports, and has for some time, the Amazon S3 protocol, and given that Drop Box also uses that protocol, I wonder if the two are compatible. Has anybody tried logging into Drop Box using Transmit? From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Mon May 9 23:51:24 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 23:51:24 +0100 Subject: VO werdness In-Reply-To: References: <9BAEB47D-E1C1-4DFA-96D1-87B47E1C0D51@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: doh! sorry I had a complete mental break down there, it is still acting a bit strange though, the focus does not seem to be moving around the page correctly on some web pages, behaviour is very odd. I thought I might have had cursor tracking turned off or something. I will run disk utility, this sometimes fixes the strangest of things. never seen it act like this before. Thanks COlin :) On 9 May 2011, at 23:35, Colin M wrote: > Hi Chris! > You need to press command+f5 to turn on and off! > vo+f5 is to say whats under the the mouse cursor! > Colin > Qapla! > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > > On 9 May 2011, at 23:28, Chris Moore wrote: > >> Ok my VO is behaving strangely, when I hit VO+F5 to turn it on or off, this key stroke tells me what is under the mouse instead. So I can't find a way to turn VO on or off. Seems to be acting strange, it happened after waking the machine up. I have also tried restarting the machine. Quick nav is not on, and VO is not locked. >> >> Any ideas? >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon May 9 23:52:21 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 15:52:21 -0700 Subject: Interesting question In-Reply-To: <9771504B-1CD2-4BA7-AC69-C8EA4B8BFE3A@mac-access.net> References: <9771504B-1CD2-4BA7-AC69-C8EA4B8BFE3A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0ED57116-B929-47C8-BDCA-2AC1CAFA1A5E@gmail.com> Nope never tried; I could probably give it a try if i can figure out, but I have vissions of contract terms dancing in my head at the moment. I'll try though. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 9, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > This is probably a total non-starter. But as I was in the middle of a job today, it occurred to me that, since Transmit file transfer client, (please don't anybody get that mixed up with the torrent app "Transmission") now supports, and has for some time, the Amazon S3 protocol, and given that Drop Box also uses that protocol, I wonder if the two are compatible. Has anybody tried logging into Drop Box using Transmit? > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Mon May 9 23:55:57 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 23:55:57 +0100 Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <84BE5EBC-3015-4609-95FA-C108CD1F267C@mac-access.net> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <84BE5EBC-3015-4609-95FA-C108CD1F267C@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <5E530E17-CE92-41E3-992B-4D6CD7624BE9@gmail.com> Hi Gordon! I'm not sure what you mean by tabbing! But I use the rota and when on headers or links and I get back on the main page, it continues to nav ok! headers to headers and links to links! But no dizzy dizzy! But I'm not a customer so cannot go further if it's a problem in side an account! hth Colin I'm far too bad for Heaven! The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! On 9 May 2011, at 23:40, Gordon Smith wrote: > Colin > > What happens if you tab down passed the "Online Energy" link? > > On 9 May 2011, at 23:23, Colin M wrote: > > Hi Gordon! > I'm running Safari Version 5.0.5 (6533.21.1) and I could nav the site ok! > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From david.mclean at cox.net Tue May 10 00:49:38 2011 From: david.mclean at cox.net (David McLean) Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 19:49:38 -0400 Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <63928173-D0BC-464A-AFB3-97953F2BF7F7@cox.net> I got a message asking if I was a current customer and when I replied no got something that said destination. After I tabbed once I could navigate the page though without a problem. I does take about 30 seconds though for it to first get into the site. By the way I assume you meant Safari 5.04 not 4.05? On May 9, 2011, at 5:38 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Is anybody else finding this? Safari 4.05 is a real step back into the dark ages of OSX as far as VoiceOver and I are concerned. The two just don't seem to get along well together at all, Safari and VO I mean. > > For another example of this, could somebody please try the following website to see if you get the same results as I do? When I tab down or navigate using the VO keys below the "Online Energy" link, all I get is the age-old irritant, "Safari Busy. Safari Busy", repeatedly. Even on the rare occasions when I hear "Safari Ready", a subsequent key press brings me back to "Safari Busy". > > The website in question this time is and it's causing me horrendous problems since I can't pay our energy bill and, short of the accursed estimated bills, (which I despise), the next alternative is an energy disconnection. > > Well, it won't come to that, but I refuse to entertain estimated bills either because those bills always, without exception, work out in the company's favour, not yours and it's a devil of a job to get the money they owe you back. > > I used to use this site just fine under the previous two versions of Safari. But this is another instance of 4.05 being utterly dreadful in terms of its performance with VoiceOver on our systems. > > For reference, we have all tabs turned off. Only one Safari window open. > > I know that Apple does do beta testing of its OS releases but I often wonder whether they do same with Safari and other major applications. > > Anyway, if anybody else could try this website I'd be grateful. > > Gordon > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From anne at anarchie.org.uk Tue May 10 07:07:49 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 08:07:49 +0200 Subject: VO werdness In-Reply-To: References: <9BAEB47D-E1C1-4DFA-96D1-87B47E1C0D51@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <31B735A4-A9C3-4F55-8D82-ACB168F0F1B0@anarchie.org.uk> Hello Chris, You couldn't have locked the VO keys (VO-Semicolon) could you? Cheers, Anne From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Tue May 10 08:29:36 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 08:29:36 +0100 Subject: VO werdness In-Reply-To: <31B735A4-A9C3-4F55-8D82-ACB168F0F1B0@anarchie.org.uk> References: <9BAEB47D-E1C1-4DFA-96D1-87B47E1C0D51@blueyonder.co.uk> <31B735A4-A9C3-4F55-8D82-ACB168F0F1B0@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <45D3F917-3502-4371-B0D5-2A9578B44EC5@blueyonder.co.uk> Nope that was one of the first things I had tried, but all is working again now after running disk utility, *shakes head* oh well :) On 10 May 2011, at 07:07, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Chris, > > You couldn't have locked the VO keys (VO-Semicolon) could you? > > Cheers, > > Anne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com Tue May 10 08:29:25 2011 From: jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com (Jackie Cairns) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 08:29:25 +0100 Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Gordon I have to admit, as a new user, I thought I was having a bad day when I tried using the same version of Safari yesterday, it kept saying "Safari Busy" or "Safari ready", and it was a case of make your mind up time mate? We were just using Safari to search for portable scanners, and it kept doing as you outlined in your message. I thought it was me, perhaps it was! (smile). Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm at work-ability.co.uk www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith Sent: 09 May 2011 22:38 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression Hi all Is anybody else finding this? Safari 4.05 is a real step back into the dark ages of OSX as far as VoiceOver and I are concerned. The two just don't seem to get along well together at all, Safari and VO I mean. For another example of this, could somebody please try the following website to see if you get the same results as I do? When I tab down or navigate using the VO keys below the "Online Energy" link, all I get is the age-old irritant, "Safari Busy. Safari Busy", repeatedly. Even on the rare occasions when I hear "Safari Ready", a subsequent key press brings me back to "Safari Busy". The website in question this time is and it's causing me horrendous problems since I can't pay our energy bill and, short of the accursed estimated bills, (which I despise), the next alternative is an energy disconnection. Well, it won't come to that, but I refuse to entertain estimated bills either because those bills always, without exception, work out in the company's favour, not yours and it's a devil of a job to get the money they owe you back. I used to use this site just fine under the previous two versions of Safari. But this is another instance of 4.05 being utterly dreadful in terms of its performance with VoiceOver on our systems. For reference, we have all tabs turned off. Only one Safari window open. I know that Apple does do beta testing of its OS releases but I often wonder whether they do same with Safari and other major applications. Anyway, if anybody else could try this website I'd be grateful. Gordon _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.900 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3625 - Release Date: 05/08/11 19:34:00 From jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com Tue May 10 08:31:27 2011 From: jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com (Jackie Cairns) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 08:31:27 +0100 Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <3374AE6F9F7945BA87EA2E9EA8690BAD@HP> Hi again Gordon Sorry, I got the version wrong, we are running the latest, so perhaps it was me having a bad day yesterday, but Mr Alex was definitely insistent that Safari was either busy or ready at the press of a key, and I gave up for the evening! Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm at work-ability.co.uk www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith Sent: 09 May 2011 22:38 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression Hi all Is anybody else finding this? Safari 4.05 is a real step back into the dark ages of OSX as far as VoiceOver and I are concerned. The two just don't seem to get along well together at all, Safari and VO I mean. For another example of this, could somebody please try the following website to see if you get the same results as I do? When I tab down or navigate using the VO keys below the "Online Energy" link, all I get is the age-old irritant, "Safari Busy. Safari Busy", repeatedly. Even on the rare occasions when I hear "Safari Ready", a subsequent key press brings me back to "Safari Busy". The website in question this time is and it's causing me horrendous problems since I can't pay our energy bill and, short of the accursed estimated bills, (which I despise), the next alternative is an energy disconnection. Well, it won't come to that, but I refuse to entertain estimated bills either because those bills always, without exception, work out in the company's favour, not yours and it's a devil of a job to get the money they owe you back. I used to use this site just fine under the previous two versions of Safari. But this is another instance of 4.05 being utterly dreadful in terms of its performance with VoiceOver on our systems. For reference, we have all tabs turned off. Only one Safari window open. I know that Apple does do beta testing of its OS releases but I often wonder whether they do same with Safari and other major applications. Anyway, if anybody else could try this website I'd be grateful. Gordon _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.900 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3625 - Release Date: 05/08/11 19:34:00 From anne at anarchie.org.uk Tue May 10 09:00:41 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 10:00:41 +0200 Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <3374AE6F9F7945BA87EA2E9EA8690BAD@HP> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <3374AE6F9F7945BA87EA2E9EA8690BAD@HP> Message-ID: <394F0E6F-DAB6-465F-9272-13B6B1283BEB@anarchie.org.uk> I'm not seeing any of this trouble with the latest version of Safari. In fact, I've never had much trouble with Safari. I don't know what the difference is. It's not as if I have a whole lot of RAM, just 2 gb and I'm running a 4-year-old MacBook. I use Safari all the time, doing Google searches and landing on unfamiliar websites while looking for information to help with my translation work. So I'm also working in two languages all the time. When it comes to the voice, I use Fred as Alex drives me up the wall, and Margaux from Acapela for the French. Another thing, I don't run any antivirus software whatsoever. Cheers, Anne From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 10 09:01:00 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 01:01:00 -0700 Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <3374AE6F9F7945BA87EA2E9EA8690BAD@HP> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <3374AE6F9F7945BA87EA2E9EA8690BAD@HP> Message-ID: <55BFE74C-7E4D-4EC1-9EEC-2B6E24641078@gmail.com> Did both of you try webkit? tat seems to be pretty stable for the moment. http://webkit.org. I can't remember if hat was suggested. Sorry for the short post but I have a headache and trying to fix another problem is not helping. lol! Take care all and happy computing. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 10, 2011, at 12:31 AM, Jackie Cairns wrote: > Hi again Gordon > > Sorry, I got the version wrong, we are running the latest, so perhaps it was > me having a bad day yesterday, but Mr Alex was definitely insistent that > Safari was either busy or ready at the press of a key, and I gave up for the > evening! > > > Kind Regards, > > Jackie Cairns > J&M Work-Ability > > jandm at work-ability.co.uk > www.work-ability.co.uk > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith > Sent: 09 May 2011 22:38 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression > > Hi all > > Is anybody else finding this? Safari 4.05 is a real step back into the dark > ages of OSX as far as VoiceOver and I are concerned. The two just don't seem > to get along well together at all, Safari and VO I mean. > > For another example of this, could somebody please try the following website > to see if you get the same results as I do? When I tab down or navigate > using the VO keys below the "Online Energy" link, all I get is the age-old > irritant, "Safari Busy. Safari Busy", repeatedly. Even on the rare > occasions when I hear "Safari Ready", a subsequent key press brings me back > to "Safari Busy". > > The website in question this time is and > it's causing me horrendous problems since I can't pay our energy bill and, > short of the accursed estimated bills, (which I despise), the next > alternative is an energy disconnection. > > Well, it won't come to that, but I refuse to entertain estimated bills > either because those bills always, without exception, work out in the > company's favour, not yours and it's a devil of a job to get the money they > owe you back. > > I used to use this site just fine under the previous two versions of Safari. > But this is another instance of 4.05 being utterly dreadful in terms of its > performance with VoiceOver on our systems. > > For reference, we have all tabs turned off. Only one Safari window open. > > I know that Apple does do beta testing of its OS releases but I often wonder > whether they do same with Safari and other major applications. > > Anyway, if anybody else could try this website I'd be grateful. > > Gordon > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.900 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3625 - Release Date: 05/08/11 > 19:34:00 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Tue May 10 09:15:51 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 10:15:51 +0200 Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <394F0E6F-DAB6-465F-9272-13B6B1283BEB@anarchie.org.uk> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <3374AE6F9F7945BA87EA2E9EA8690BAD@HP> <394F0E6F-DAB6-465F-9272-13B6B1283BEB@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <96CBD3BA-A62E-4009-8A42-777DA8D13173@mac-access.net> Hello everyone, Like Anne, Lyn and I have had very few problems with Safari. One thing we do is to make sure that we always wait for the "page loaded" sound before exploring the site. You could also get VoiceOver to tell you this by turning on "speak webpage summary" in the "Web" section of the VoiceOver Utility. Personally though, I'm not entirely convinced that Safari is at fault in every case of "Safari Busy", sometimes it most definitely is, but not always. I've discovered this by restarting VoiceOver on the occasions that I've had this, and more often-than-not, such a restart has cleared up any issues. Also, despite a great deal of Mac users using FireFox, a large number still use Safari. Having explored the Apple Support Community forums, I've not seen many instances of of complaints regarding Safari screwing up in the way that VoiceOver users describe. Surely, if Safari was always at fault, it would not be used by so many. Again, these are just my thoughts on the current Safari issues that some are facing. TC :) James On 10 May 2011, at 10:00, Anne Robertson wrote: > I'm not seeing any of this trouble with the latest version of Safari. In fact, I've never had much trouble with Safari. I don't know what the difference is. It's not as if I have a whole lot of RAM, just 2 gb and I'm running a 4-year-old MacBook. > > > I use Safari all the time, doing Google searches and landing on unfamiliar websites while looking for information to help with my translation work. So I'm also working in two languages all the time. > When it comes to the voice, I use Fred as Alex drives me up the wall, and Margaux from Acapela for the French. > > Another thing, I don't run any antivirus software whatsoever. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue May 10 09:19:25 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 09:19:25 +0100 Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <96CBD3BA-A62E-4009-8A42-777DA8D13173@mac-access.net> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <3374AE6F9F7945BA87EA2E9EA8690BAD@HP> <394F0E6F-DAB6-465F-9272-13B6B1283BEB@anarchie.org.uk> <96CBD3BA-A62E-4009-8A42-777DA8D13173@mac-access.net> Message-ID: James, You just beat me to the punch. I have found that most "busy" ... "busy" messages can be solved by turning VO off then on again. Oddly enough, I've looked at crash logs and nothing is showing up for me to indicate a conflict. D?nal On 10 May 2011, at 09:15, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Like Anne, Lyn and I have had very few problems with Safari. One thing we do is to make sure that we always wait for the "page loaded" sound before exploring the site. You could also get VoiceOver to tell you this by turning on "speak webpage summary" in the "Web" section of the VoiceOver Utility. > > Personally though, I'm not entirely convinced that Safari is at fault in every case of "Safari Busy", sometimes it most definitely is, but not always. I've discovered this by restarting VoiceOver on the occasions that I've had this, and more often-than-not, such a restart has cleared up any issues. Also, despite a great deal of Mac users using FireFox, a large number still use Safari. Having explored the Apple Support Community forums, I've not seen many instances of of complaints regarding Safari screwing up in the way that VoiceOver users describe. Surely, if Safari was always at fault, it would not be used by so many. > > Again, these are just my thoughts on the current Safari issues that some are facing. > > TC :) > James > On 10 May 2011, at 10:00, Anne Robertson wrote: > >> I'm not seeing any of this trouble with the latest version of Safari. In fact, I've never had much trouble with Safari. I don't know what the difference is. It's not as if I have a whole lot of RAM, just 2 gb and I'm running a 4-year-old MacBook. >> >> >> I use Safari all the time, doing Google searches and landing on unfamiliar websites while looking for information to help with my translation work. So I'm also working in two languages all the time. >> When it comes to the voice, I use Fred as Alex drives me up the wall, and Margaux from Acapela for the French. >> >> Another thing, I don't run any antivirus software whatsoever. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 10 09:20:09 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 01:20:09 -0700 Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <96CBD3BA-A62E-4009-8A42-777DA8D13173@mac-access.net> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <3374AE6F9F7945BA87EA2E9EA8690BAD@HP> <394F0E6F-DAB6-465F-9272-13B6B1283BEB@anarchie.org.uk> <96CBD3BA-A62E-4009-8A42-777DA8D13173@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <3DDD1384-2769-422F-B82D-1A49E9DDAD90@gmail.com> lol! I can't use firefox but I've explained why i prior threads so I won't go there. but you are right. I usual just restart vo even before a page is loaded and wait about 5 seconds on a good day. and turn it back on and the problems disappear. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 10, 2011, at 1:15 AM, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Like Anne, Lyn and I have had very few problems with Safari. One thing we do is to make sure that we always wait for the "page loaded" sound before exploring the site. You could also get VoiceOver to tell you this by turning on "speak webpage summary" in the "Web" section of the VoiceOver Utility. > > Personally though, I'm not entirely convinced that Safari is at fault in every case of "Safari Busy", sometimes it most definitely is, but not always. I've discovered this by restarting VoiceOver on the occasions that I've had this, and more often-than-not, such a restart has cleared up any issues. Also, despite a great deal of Mac users using FireFox, a large number still use Safari. Having explored the Apple Support Community forums, I've not seen many instances of of complaints regarding Safari screwing up in the way that VoiceOver users describe. Surely, if Safari was always at fault, it would not be used by so many. > > Again, these are just my thoughts on the current Safari issues that some are facing. > > TC :) > James > On 10 May 2011, at 10:00, Anne Robertson wrote: > >> I'm not seeing any of this trouble with the latest version of Safari. In fact, I've never had much trouble with Safari. I don't know what the difference is. It's not as if I have a whole lot of RAM, just 2 gb and I'm running a 4-year-old MacBook. >> >> >> I use Safari all the time, doing Google searches and landing on unfamiliar websites while looking for information to help with my translation work. So I'm also working in two languages all the time. >> When it comes to the voice, I use Fred as Alex drives me up the wall, and Margaux from Acapela for the French. >> >> Another thing, I don't run any antivirus software whatsoever. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Tue May 10 09:25:55 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 10:25:55 +0200 Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <3374AE6F9F7945BA87EA2E9EA8690BAD@HP> <394F0E6F-DAB6-465F-9272-13B6B1283BEB@anarchie.org.uk> <96CBD3BA-A62E-4009-8A42-777DA8D13173@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <902859E8-6A0F-4D0F-841F-6F7B005CEB55@mac-access.net> > D?nal, On 10 May 2011, at 10:19, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Oddly enough, I've looked at crash logs and nothing is showing up for me to indicate a conflict. That's interesting, I wonder if there would be any record of such anomalies in Activity Monitor while they are occurring? TC :) James > James, > > You just beat me to the punch. I have found that most "busy" ... "busy" messages can be solved by turning VO off then on again. Oddly enough, I've looked at crash logs and nothing is showing up for me to indicate a conflict. > > D?nal > On 10 May 2011, at 09:15, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> Like Anne, Lyn and I have had very few problems with Safari. One thing we do is to make sure that we always wait for the "page loaded" sound before exploring the site. You could also get VoiceOver to tell you this by turning on "speak webpage summary" in the "Web" section of the VoiceOver Utility. >> >> Personally though, I'm not entirely convinced that Safari is at fault in every case of "Safari Busy", sometimes it most definitely is, but not always. I've discovered this by restarting VoiceOver on the occasions that I've had this, and more often-than-not, such a restart has cleared up any issues. Also, despite a great deal of Mac users using FireFox, a large number still use Safari. Having explored the Apple Support Community forums, I've not seen many instances of of complaints regarding Safari screwing up in the way that VoiceOver users describe. Surely, if Safari was always at fault, it would not be used by so many. >> >> Again, these are just my thoughts on the current Safari issues that some are facing. >> >> TC :) >> James >> On 10 May 2011, at 10:00, Anne Robertson wrote: >> >>> I'm not seeing any of this trouble with the latest version of Safari. In fact, I've never had much trouble with Safari. I don't know what the difference is. It's not as if I have a whole lot of RAM, just 2 gb and I'm running a 4-year-old MacBook. >>> >>> >>> I use Safari all the time, doing Google searches and landing on unfamiliar websites while looking for information to help with my translation work. So I'm also working in two languages all the time. >>> When it comes to the voice, I use Fred as Alex drives me up the wall, and Margaux from Acapela for the French. >>> >>> Another thing, I don't run any antivirus software whatsoever. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue May 10 09:30:23 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 09:30:23 +0100 Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <902859E8-6A0F-4D0F-841F-6F7B005CEB55@mac-access.net> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <3374AE6F9F7945BA87EA2E9EA8690BAD@HP> <394F0E6F-DAB6-465F-9272-13B6B1283BEB@anarchie.org.uk> <96CBD3BA-A62E-4009-8A42-777DA8D13173@mac-access.net> <902859E8-6A0F-4D0F-841F-6F7B005CEB55@mac-access.net> Message-ID: NOt that I've seen James no. On 10 May 2011, at 09:25, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: >> D?nal, > On 10 May 2011, at 10:19, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> Oddly enough, I've looked at crash logs and nothing is showing up for me to indicate a conflict. > > That's interesting, I wonder if there would be any record of such anomalies in Activity Monitor while they are occurring? > > TC :) > James >> James, >> >> You just beat me to the punch. I have found that most "busy" ... "busy" messages can be solved by turning VO off then on again. Oddly enough, I've looked at crash logs and nothing is showing up for me to indicate a conflict. >> >> D?nal >> On 10 May 2011, at 09:15, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> Like Anne, Lyn and I have had very few problems with Safari. One thing we do is to make sure that we always wait for the "page loaded" sound before exploring the site. You could also get VoiceOver to tell you this by turning on "speak webpage summary" in the "Web" section of the VoiceOver Utility. >>> >>> Personally though, I'm not entirely convinced that Safari is at fault in every case of "Safari Busy", sometimes it most definitely is, but not always. I've discovered this by restarting VoiceOver on the occasions that I've had this, and more often-than-not, such a restart has cleared up any issues. Also, despite a great deal of Mac users using FireFox, a large number still use Safari. Having explored the Apple Support Community forums, I've not seen many instances of of complaints regarding Safari screwing up in the way that VoiceOver users describe. Surely, if Safari was always at fault, it would not be used by so many. >>> >>> Again, these are just my thoughts on the current Safari issues that some are facing. >>> >>> TC :) >>> James >>> On 10 May 2011, at 10:00, Anne Robertson wrote: >>> >>>> I'm not seeing any of this trouble with the latest version of Safari. In fact, I've never had much trouble with Safari. I don't know what the difference is. It's not as if I have a whole lot of RAM, just 2 gb and I'm running a 4-year-old MacBook. >>>> >>>> >>>> I use Safari all the time, doing Google searches and landing on unfamiliar websites while looking for information to help with my translation work. So I'm also working in two languages all the time. >>>> When it comes to the voice, I use Fred as Alex drives me up the wall, and Margaux from Acapela for the French. >>>> >>>> Another thing, I don't run any antivirus software whatsoever. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Anne >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From gordonkeen at googlemail.com Tue May 10 09:32:35 2011 From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 09:32:35 +0100 Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <3DDD1384-2769-422F-B82D-1A49E9DDAD90@gmail.com> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <3374AE6F9F7945BA87EA2E9EA8690BAD@HP> <394F0E6F-DAB6-465F-9272-13B6B1283BEB@anarchie.org.uk> <96CBD3BA-A62E-4009-8A42-777DA8D13173@mac-access.net> <3DDD1384-2769-422F-B82D-1A49E9DDAD90@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Might this behaviour be caused by a memory leak? Just curious G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. Catch the buzz at http://www.bridgerule.co.uk On 10 May 2011, at 09:20, Sarah Alawami wrote: > lol! I can't use firefox but I've explained why i prior threads so I won't go there. but you are right. I usual just restart vo even before a page is loaded and wait about 5 seconds on a good day. and turn it back on and the problems disappear. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 10, 2011, at 1:15 AM, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> Like Anne, Lyn and I have had very few problems with Safari. One thing we do is to make sure that we always wait for the "page loaded" sound before exploring the site. You could also get VoiceOver to tell you this by turning on "speak webpage summary" in the "Web" section of the VoiceOver Utility. >> >> Personally though, I'm not entirely convinced that Safari is at fault in every case of "Safari Busy", sometimes it most definitely is, but not always. I've discovered this by restarting VoiceOver on the occasions that I've had this, and more often-than-not, such a restart has cleared up any issues. Also, despite a great deal of Mac users using FireFox, a large number still use Safari. Having explored the Apple Support Community forums, I've not seen many instances of of complaints regarding Safari screwing up in the way that VoiceOver users describe. Surely, if Safari was always at fault, it would not be used by so many. From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue May 10 09:47:52 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 09:47:52 +0100 Subject: skype call history Message-ID: <9A5755AB-B1CC-4164-B434-582334D86A15@computing.dcu.ie> Hi, In a nutshell, where is it in the newest skype? Can't seem to find it anywhere! Also, while we're on the subject of skype, has anyone figured out a way to successfully use the "word completion" lists for numbers when in the dialpad window? Failing this, can one disable this feature? Cheers D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Tue May 10 11:36:41 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 11:36:41 +0100 Subject: skype call history In-Reply-To: <9A5755AB-B1CC-4164-B434-582334D86A15@computing.dcu.ie> References: <9A5755AB-B1CC-4164-B434-582334D86A15@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <172E58D2-163F-4F78-AC17-98FA92AC3126@gmail.com> Hi D?nal! Sorry I do not know about the dile pad thing! As for the history, go to the source field and interact go to one of your previous conversations and stop interacting then scroll to the html field and interact with that in there should be your history [ I think it's on a contact to contact bases ] but not sure! hth Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 10 May 2011, at 09:47, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi, > > In a nutshell, where is it in the newest skype? Can't seem to find it anywhere! Also, while we're on the subject of skype, has anyone figured out a way to successfully use the "word completion" lists for numbers when in the dialpad window? Failing this, can one disable this feature? > > Cheers > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From weavermicha at googlemail.com Tue May 10 14:37:24 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 14:37:24 +0100 Subject: an i-phone problem Message-ID: <4dc93d80.118fdf0a.7cf3.4fa5@mx.google.com> i occasionally have an i-phone problem and wonder if anyone has found a solution to it. it doesn't happen often but sometimes i get the message "speech off" with voiceover on the phone, not the message you get when turning off voiceover when say tripple tapping the home button. sometimes this gets corrected when attached to say my macbook and sometimes i think it gets corrected when i press one of the volume buttons. i think the message says something like "speech off." does anyone else have any experience with this problem? i thought it was just a voiceover off thing but tripple tapping home doesn't appear to resolve this. one of the most inconvenient times this happened was when i was abroad in goa and i thought my phone had developed a permanent fault until i got back home and synced it up with my mac. From anne at anarchie.org.uk Tue May 10 14:38:52 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 15:38:52 +0200 Subject: an i-phone problem In-Reply-To: <4dc93d80.118fdf0a.7cf3.4fa5@mx.google.com> References: <4dc93d80.118fdf0a.7cf3.4fa5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello Michael, The "Speech Off" message happens when you do a three-finger double tap on your iPhone. The same gesture brings speech back again. Cheers, Anne On 10 May 2011, at 15:37, michael weaver wrote: > i occasionally have an i-phone problem and wonder if anyone has found a solution to it. > it doesn't happen often but sometimes i get the message "speech off" with voiceover on the phone, not the message you get when turning off voiceover when say tripple tapping the home button. > sometimes this gets corrected when attached to say my macbook and sometimes i think it gets corrected when i press one of the volume buttons. > i think the message says something like "speech off." > does anyone else have any experience with this problem? > i thought it was just a voiceover off thing but tripple tapping home doesn't appear to resolve this. > one of the most inconvenient times this happened was when i was abroad in goa and i thought my phone had developed a permanent fault until i got back home and synced it up with my mac. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue May 10 15:43:21 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 15:43:21 +0100 Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <59FA14A3-7F51-4E32-A2BF-E7EBE967450E@gmail.com> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <59FA14A3-7F51-4E32-A2BF-E7EBE967450E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9710382A-B18C-4003-8551-A8E20B3B0927@mac-access.net> Hello Nigel On 10 May 2011, at 01:59, Nigel Rhodes wrote: ? I'm using Sarafi 5.15 and have no trouble with the site.Hope you're feeling better. I presume you meant Safari 5.05 which, I believe, is the most current version. Gordon made an error with his version number; but he meant the current version. We are in the process of doing a lot of system maintenance, cache clearance, log clearance, etc. So we will see if that improves things. But our problems with that site are consistent. Lynne From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue May 10 16:00:56 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:00:56 +0100 Subject: sorting Safari Bookmarks alphabetically Message-ID: <0187B5B8-5230-4CD8-893E-8F13B4278F94@computing.dcu.ie> Hi there, A major bugbear of mine is the fact that Safari bookmarks don't appear alphabetically. Now I've looked at the web, and have found a way to do this, but it involves dragging bookmarks out of Safari into a folder in the Finder. I've tried the usual VO drag and drop but to no avail. Has anyone managed to do this successfully? D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Tue May 10 16:10:07 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 16:10:07 +0100 Subject: Safari 5.01 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <9710382A-B18C-4003-8551-A8E20B3B0927@mac-access.net> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <59FA14A3-7F51-4E32-A2BF-E7EBE967450E@gmail.com> <9710382A-B18C-4003-8551-A8E20B3B0927@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Gordon and Lynne! I've just had a play on the site again! This time I opened links, to look at options! But yet again no bizzy bizzy! Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 10 May 2011, at 15:43, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Nigel > > On 10 May 2011, at 01:59, Nigel Rhodes wrote: > > ? I'm using Sarafi 5.15 and have no trouble with the site.Hope you're feeling better. > > I presume you meant Safari 5.05 which, I believe, is the most current version. Gordon made an error with his version number; but he meant the current version. > > We are in the process of doing a lot of system maintenance, cache clearance, log clearance, etc. So we will see if that improves things. > > But our problems with that site are consistent. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Tue May 10 18:46:15 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 07:46:15 -1000 Subject: sorting Safari Bookmarks alphabetically In-Reply-To: <0187B5B8-5230-4CD8-893E-8F13B4278F94@computing.dcu.ie> References: <0187B5B8-5230-4CD8-893E-8F13B4278F94@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <47FE31C0-FDFF-4D8C-B6B1-A07E8234E074@mac.com> Hi D?nal, If you want to reorder your Safari bookmarks and are thinking of using VO drag and drop, just do the reordering on your iPad (or other iOS device), then sync them so the new ordering gets back to your computer. In Safari on your iPad or iPhone, flick right to the "Bookmarks" button, and double tap. Make sure that you are not in "History". If you are, either double tap the "Clear History" button or double tap the "Bookmarks, Back button". Now double tap the "Edit" button. Run your finger vertically down from where the "Edit" button was -- it has now become the "Done" button. You'll hear that beside each of the folders below the "Bookmarks Bar" and "Bookmarks Menu" there is now a "Reorder" button. For example, my Safari Bookmarks reflects the arrangement from a long time ago, when there were categories in folders like "News", "Sports", "Entertainment", and "Shopping", along with any folders that I might have created. In "Edit" mode, to the left of each folder entry there is a switch (e.g., "Delete News Folder, switch button off, double tap to toggle setting"), and to the right of each listed folder, in that vertical line down from the former "Edit" button, there is a button to "Reorder News Folder button, draggable, double tap and hold, wait for the sound, then drag to rearrange". If I want to reorder any of the folders of bookmarks, such as the "News" folder, in "Edit" mode I will move my finger to the button for reordering that folder of bookmarks, which is to the right of the listed entry and vertically below the former "Edit" (now "Done") button, and I'll do the double tap and hold pass through gesture. I'll hear the burbly noise that indicates the successful performance of the VoiceOver pass through gesture. Then, without lifting my finger from the screen, I'll move my finger down to place the folder where I want it to be in the list. As I move past other entries I'll hear VoiceOver announce, for example, "Move below Sports folder", and "Move below Entertainment folder". with a little plinking noise each time I shift position past a folder or bookmark entry. I only lift my finger when the folder has been moved to where I want it. Then I can move to the list entry for another folder or bookmark and reorder it. In practice, I usually run my finger vertically down the center of the list of bookmark or bookmark folder entries -- just below the "Bookmarks" heading on either the screen or the pop up (in the case of the iPad). When I find an entry that I want to reorder, I move my finger to the right to the "Reorder" button for that entry (that will also be announced as "Draggable, double tap and hold, wait for the sound, then drag to rearrange" after the entry name is given). I do a double tap and hold, and then move the entry up or down the list before lifting my finger from the screen once the entry is where I want it. The plinking noise as I move past entries, and the VoiceOver announcement that tells me what I have just moved past give me the information I need. If I move past the point I wanted to place the folder or bookmark, I simply just move back up again before lifting my finger and fixing the location of the bookmark or folder. I double tap the "Done" button to exit edit mode when I am finished. This method works equally well for rearranging bookmarks within a folder or folders (or subfolders) of bookmarks within a list. You won't be able to move entries before "History", "Bookmarks Bar", or "Bookmarks Menu", since these entries always appear in that listed order, but you'll be able to rearrange any other entries. If you want to reorder bookmarks or folders in either your "Bookmarks Bar" or "Bookmarks Menu" folders, just navigate to that folder, then double tap the "Edit button" that will be in the top right corner of your screen or pop up (on an iPad). Then move your finger down from that button (which has turned into a "Done" button) to the individual entries: "Reorder Read Later", "Reorder Audible", etc. -- with the appended information about being draggable if you double tap and hold, etc. Move these into the order you want, then double tap the "Done" button to exit "Edit" mode. I find that I don't organize all my bookmarks alphabetically. At least, I'll keep the most frequently accessed ones where I can easily get to them. This is particularly true if I use the iPad. I use the Bookmarks menu and the Bookmarks bar a lot more with the iPad touch screen. There's nothing quite as nice using my Mac under OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard), so if you have an iOS device, reorganize your bookmarks and folders on your device, and then sync the bookmarks back, either when you connect and sync your device, or with MobileMe. P.S. I know this is off-topic for this thread, but the reference to MobileMe reminds me that Travis, and others who have the iPhone 4, iPod Touch 4, or iPad, should get the free, "Find My iPhone" app, and also register for it under the special, restricted MobileMe support. That is, even if you are not a MobileMe subscriber, you can use the "Find My iPhone" feature to locate your iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch. It works for any generation model iOS device, but they made this a free feature for people who bought the later generation model devices. If you have an iPad, you should add that device (and any others you may have) to the list of devices registered to your account under the app. You'll need to create a login name for the MobileMe service. If you already have MobileMe, you just use that login, which is generally at me dot com (or mac dot com, if your account dates back long enough). This is not the same as your Apple login name, since in general most people who have iTunes accounts and Mac computers don't also have MobileMe accounts. If someone is already using the login name you choose, you'll be told that name is not free, and prompted to choose another. The way the "Find My iPhone" app works, is that you can log in with your assigned (MobileMe) login name and password into iOS device that is running this free app or onto the MobileMe "Find" page from any supported web browser on a computer (doesn't have to be Safari) and, if your iOS device has been registered to the account and is currently connected to the internet with location services turned on, you can find the device's location in a map view. What I use a lot is the ability to play a tone or send a message to the screen of the device. This plays a tone like a submarine's sonar ping on the device, that lets you locate it if you've put it down somewhere and can't immediately find it. This also works on all iOS devices, so it doesn't only work on iPhones where you can call a number. Even for the iPhone, the sound works better, because it keeps playing for a longer time than a phone would ring, to give you time to locate the device. You can send a message to the screen (for example, if you left it at home, and want to alert a family member about what you want them to do with it). You can also wipe the contents of the device, if you have this set up, in case the device has been stolen, and you don't want the information available to others. (Needless to say, this isn't a command that can be issued easily by mistake). I believe that if you get the app there is information about how to set up this feature and get a login. This was discussed a lot last November, so I don't remember the set up details. (It has always been a feature of MobileMe, so I never had to set this up separately). Here's the link to Apple's descriptive page about "Find my iPhone": http://www.apple.com/mobileme/features/find-my-iphone.html The free app can be downloaded from: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/find-my-iphone/id376101648?mt=8 You must be running at least iOS 4.2 to use this feature, and you have to set up your account from an iPhone 4, 4G iPod Touch, or iPad, even if you want to register other devices (such as an iPhone 3GS) to your account after you create it. HTH. Cheers, Esther HTH. Cheers, Esther On May 10, 2011, at 05:00, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi there, > > A major bugbear of mine is the fact that Safari bookmarks don't appear alphabetically. Now I've looked at the web, and have found a way to do this, but it involves dragging bookmarks out of Safari into a folder in the Finder. I've tried the usual VO drag and drop but to no avail. Has anyone managed to do this successfully? > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > From lmumford at uga.edu Tue May 10 19:38:30 2011 From: lmumford at uga.edu (Linda Mumford) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 18:38:30 +0000 Subject: Help! My computer won't talk Message-ID: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283007E5B0D2@CH1PRD0202MB109.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> ________________________________________ From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] on behalf of mac-access-request at mac-access.net [mac-access-request at mac-access.net] Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 6:27 PM To: mac-access at mac-access.net Subject: Mac-Access Digest, Vol 380, Issue 2 Send Mac-Access mailing list submissions to mac-access at mac-access.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mac-access-request at mac-access.net You can reach the person managing the list at mac-access-owner at mac-access.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Mac-Access digest..." _______________________________________ This is the daily digest of messages posted to the Mac-Access E-Mail forum. Today's Topics: 1. Re: HELP! MY MAC WON'T TALK (Linda Mumford) 2. Re: HELP! MY MAC WON'T TALK (rossy) 3. Re: HELP! MY MAC WON'T TALK (Travis Siegel) 4. Re: HELP! MY MAC WON'T TALK (Gordon Smith) 5. Safari 4.05 represents a real regression (Gordon Smith) 6. Re: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression (Ian McNamara) 7. Re: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression (Sarah Alawami) 8. Re: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression (Colin M) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 18:49:03 +0000 From: Linda Mumford To: "mac-access at mac-access.net" Subject: Re: HELP! MY MAC WON'T TALK Message-ID: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283007E5B04B at CH1PRD0202MB109.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Ester, I've tried using the command plusF5 key, and nothing happens (at least sound-wise). And I don't hear any start-up sound from my Mac Pro when I power it up either (though i can tell that the screen is on). Is there a mute key i may have accidentally hit? If so, where is it? My Mac Pro is a laptop. All suggestions will be very welcome. Much thanks, Linda ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 21:26:20 +0200 From: rossy To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: HELP! MY MAC WON'T TALK Message-ID: <40297186-C14B-4990-BB06-2A472A26665C at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi try hitting f10 which is the mute function key . start from the escape . good luck rossy Il giorno 09/mag/2011, alle ore 20.49, Linda Mumford ha scritto: > Hi Ester, > > I've tried using the command plusF5 key, and nothing happens (at least sound-wise). And I don't hear any start-up sound from my Mac Pro when I power it up either (though i can tell that the screen is on). Is there a mute key i may have accidentally hit? If so, where is it? My Mac Pro is a laptop. All suggestions will be very welcome. > Much thanks, > Linda > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 15:19:11 -0500 From: Travis Siegel To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: HELP! MY MAC WON'T TALK Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed You'll probably need to hold down the function key along with the command and f5 keys. The fn key is the one to the extreme lower left corner of your macbook. Press that, the command key (to the left of the spacebar) and then the f5 (key number six from the left on the top row) and that should turn on voiceover provided of course that your macbook is actually operational and functioning properly. If you're not getting the startup chime, it's probably because your mac isn't actually off, but only sleeping. You can fix this by holding down the power button for a few seconds. At that point, the computer will turn off completely. Then a tap of the power switch will turn it back on, whereupon you'll get the startup chime and all should operate as it should. Of course, there's no need to do this if the machine is already on. on different macbooks, different keys perform the functions, and depending on your settings the function (fn) key may or may not be necessary to make it work. On my older macbook, f3 is the mute key, but on yours (as someone already posted) it's f10, so that just confuses things more. Your volume will be the f4 and f5 keys for volume down/up which is used with or without the fn key depending on your setting for it (are you confused yet) Just try pressing f5 several times both with and without the fn key, it will make a popping noise if it's actually changing the volume, if it does this, then you can resort to your command-f5 combination to try to get vo to work. It's likely the folks at the apple store configured vo to work after you got logged into your account, but not to talk at the login screen, so that could be your issue. hth ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 22:21:34 +0100 From: Gordon Smith To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: HELP! MY MAC WON'T TALK Message-ID: <39075AC8-A706-4CB0-92A1-37C89313CDCB at mac-access.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Actually, Linda incidated in her messager that she tried the command plus 5 key, not F5. Linda, Esther meant the Function 5 key, not the number five. Gordon On 9 May 2011, at 21:19, Travis Siegel wrote: You'll probably need to hold down the function key along with the command and f5 keys. The fn key is the one to the extreme lower left corner of your macbook. Press that, the command key (to the left of the spacebar) and then the f5 (key number six from the left on the top row) and that should turn on voiceover provided of course that your macbook is actually operational and functioning properly. If you're not getting the startup chime, it's probably because your mac isn't actually off, but only sleeping. You can fix this by holding down the power button for a few seconds. At that point, the computer will turn off completely. Then a tap of the power switch will turn it back on, whereupon you'll get the startup chime and all should operate as it should. Of course, there's no need to do this if the machine is already on. on different macbooks, different keys perform the functions, and depending on your settings the function (fn) key may or may not be necessary to make it work. On my older macbook, f3 is the mute key, but on yours (as someone already posted) it's f10, so that just confuses things more. Your volume will be the f4 and f5 keys for volume down/up which is used with or without the fn key depending on your setting for it (are you confused yet) Just try pressing f5 several times both with and without the fn key, it will make a popping noise if it's actually changing the volume, if it does this, then you can resort to your command-f5 combination to try to get vo to work. It's likely the folks at the apple store configured vo to work after you got logged into your account, but not to talk at the login screen, so that could be your issue. hth _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 22:38:15 +0100 From: Gordon Smith To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression Message-ID: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730 at mac-access.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi all Is anybody else finding this? Safari 4.05 is a real step back into the dark ages of OSX as far as VoiceOver and I are concerned. The two just don't seem to get along well together at all, Safari and VO I mean. For another example of this, could somebody please try the following website to see if you get the same results as I do? When I tab down or navigate using the VO keys below the "Online Energy" link, all I get is the age-old irritant, "Safari Busy. Safari Busy", repeatedly. Even on the rare occasions when I hear "Safari Ready", a subsequent key press brings me back to "Safari Busy". The website in question this time is and it's causing me horrendous problems since I can't pay our energy bill and, short of the accursed estimated bills, (which I despise), the next alternative is an energy disconnection. Well, it won't come to that, but I refuse to entertain estimated bills either because those bills always, without exception, work out in the company's favour, not yours and it's a devil of a job to get the money they owe you back. I used to use this site just fine under the previous two versions of Safari. But this is another instance of 4.05 being utterly dreadful in terms of its performance with VoiceOver on our systems. For reference, we have all tabs turned off. Only one Safari window open. I know that Apple does do beta testing of its OS releases but I often wonder whether they do same with Safari and other major applications. Anyway, if anybody else could try this website I'd be grateful. Gordon ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 22:49:39 +0100 From: Ian McNamara To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression Message-ID: <23A7361F-6B48-4F5F-80E1-F55A8F8904A3 at googlemail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii hi on some websights i get that asspeachly on facebook mobile and some other websights i go on i have to say this newer verssion is not good at all i hope they immproove it in the next one. Ian McNamara ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 14:50:06 -0700 From: Sarah Alawami To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Huh? I thought that we are up to safari 5 dot something by now? or maybe my brain is going crazy. I'm testing with the latest webkit engine so we'll see what happens if my connection holds out? and I'm happy to say that i have no issues at all. I could go through the links just fine. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 9, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Is anybody else finding this? Safari 4.05 is a real step back into the dark ages of OSX as far as VoiceOver and I are concerned. The two just don't seem to get along well together at all, Safari and VO I mean. > > For another example of this, could somebody please try the following website to see if you get the same results as I do? When I tab down or navigate using the VO keys below the "Online Energy" link, all I get is the age-old irritant, "Safari Busy. Safari Busy", repeatedly. Even on the rare occasions when I hear "Safari Ready", a subsequent key press brings me back to "Safari Busy". > > The website in question this time is and it's causing me horrendous problems since I can't pay our energy bill and, short of the accursed estimated bills, (which I despise), the next alternative is an energy disconnection. > > Well, it won't come to that, but I refuse to entertain estimated bills either because those bills always, without exception, work out in the company's favour, not yours and it's a devil of a job to get the money they owe you back. > > I used to use this site just fine under the previous two versions of Safari. But this is another instance of 4.05 being utterly dreadful in terms of its performance with VoiceOver on our systems. > > For reference, we have all tabs turned off. Only one Safari window open. > > I know that Apple does do beta testing of its OS releases but I often wonder whether they do same with Safari and other major applications. > > Anyway, if anybody else could try this website I'd be grateful. > > Gordon > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 9 May 2011 23:23:57 +0100 From: Colin M To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Gordon! I'm running Safari Version 5.0.5 (6533.21.1) and I could nav the site ok! hth Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 9 May 2011, at 22:38, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi all > > Is anybody else finding this? Safari 4.05 is a real step back into the dark ages of OSX as far as VoiceOver and I are concerned. The two just don't seem to get along well together at all, Safari and VO I mean. > > For another example of this, could somebody please try the following website to see if you get the same results as I do? When I tab down or navigate using the VO keys below the "Online Energy" link, all I get is the age-old irritant, "Safari Busy. Safari Busy", repeatedly. Even on the rare occasions when I hear "Safari Ready", a subsequent key press brings me back to "Safari Busy". > > The website in question this time is and it's causing me horrendous problems since I can't pay our energy bill and, short of the accursed estimated bills, (which I despise), the next alternative is an energy disconnection. > > Well, it won't come to that, but I refuse to entertain estimated bills either because those bills always, without exception, work out in the company's favour, not yours and it's a devil of a job to get the money they owe you back. > > I used to use this site just fine under the previous two versions of Safari. But this is another instance of 4.05 being utterly dreadful in terms of its performance with VoiceOver on our systems. > > For reference, we have all tabs turned off. Only one Safari window open. > > I know that Apple does do beta testing of its OS releases but I often wonder whether they do same with Safari and other major applications. > > Anyway, if anybody else could try this website I'd be grateful. > > Gordon > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ To reply to the posts in this digest, please address your messages to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted since 12 April 2010 to the Mac-Access forum at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/index.html The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/mac-access/options/ End of Mac-Access Digest, Vol 380, Issue 2 ****************************************** It was on mute! I hit f10 to turn off the mute and then command plus f5 and voila-- alex started talking! It took about an hour altogether, but I then muddled through and finally found ) the systems preferences then keyborad then clicked keyboard again and found the check box for the function keys and checked it. now I'll have to hit the function key plus the f10 key to deliberately mute the computer (which I doubt I'll ever want to do.. smile) Linda From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 10 19:46:06 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 11:46:06 -0700 Subject: sorting Safari Bookmarks alphabetically In-Reply-To: <47FE31C0-FDFF-4D8C-B6B1-A07E8234E074@mac.com> References: <0187B5B8-5230-4CD8-893E-8F13B4278F94@computing.dcu.ie> <47FE31C0-FDFF-4D8C-B6B1-A07E8234E074@mac.com> Message-ID: that can work but how about those of us with out IDevices? surely safari could not have overlooked this. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 10, 2011, at 10:46 AM, Esther wrote: > Hi D?nal, > > If you want to reorder your Safari bookmarks and are thinking of using VO drag and drop, just do the reordering on your iPad (or other iOS device), then sync them so the new ordering gets back to your computer. > > In Safari on your iPad or iPhone, flick right to the "Bookmarks" button, and double tap. Make sure that you are not in "History". If you are, either double tap the "Clear History" button or double tap the "Bookmarks, Back button". Now double tap the "Edit" button. Run your finger vertically down from where the "Edit" button was -- it has now become the "Done" button. You'll hear that beside each of the folders below the "Bookmarks Bar" and "Bookmarks Menu" there is now a "Reorder" button. For example, my Safari Bookmarks reflects the arrangement from a long time ago, when there were categories in folders like "News", "Sports", "Entertainment", and "Shopping", along with any folders that I might have created. In "Edit" mode, to the left of each folder entry there is a switch (e.g., "Delete News Folder, switch button off, double tap to toggle setting"), and to the right of each listed folder, in that vertical line down from the former "Edit" button, there is a button to "Reorder News Folder button, draggable, double tap and hold, wait for the sound, then drag to rearrange". > > If I want to reorder any of the folders of bookmarks, such as the "News" folder, in "Edit" mode I will move my finger to the button for reordering that folder of bookmarks, which is to the right of the listed entry and vertically below the former "Edit" (now "Done") button, and I'll do the double tap and hold pass through gesture. I'll hear the burbly noise that indicates the successful performance of the VoiceOver pass through gesture. Then, without lifting my finger from the screen, I'll move my finger down to place the folder where I want it to be in the list. As I move past other entries I'll hear VoiceOver announce, for example, "Move below Sports folder", and "Move below Entertainment folder". with a little plinking noise each time I shift position past a folder or bookmark entry. I only lift my finger when the folder has been moved to where I want it. Then I can move to the list entry for another folder or bookmark and reorder it. In practice, I usually run my finger vertically down the center of the list of bookmark or bookmark folder entries -- just below the "Bookmarks" heading on either the screen or the pop up (in the case of the iPad). When I find an entry that I want to reorder, I move my finger to the right to the "Reorder" button for that entry (that will also be announced as "Draggable, double tap and hold, wait for the sound, then drag to rearrange" after the entry name is given). I do a double tap and hold, and then move the entry up or down the list before lifting my finger from the screen once the entry is where I want it. The plinking noise as I move past entries, and the VoiceOver announcement that tells me what I have just moved past give me the information I need. If I move past the point I wanted to place the folder or bookmark, I simply just move back up again before lifting my finger and fixing the location of the bookmark or folder. I double tap the "Done" button to exit edit mode when I am finished. > > This method works equally well for rearranging bookmarks within a folder or folders (or subfolders) of bookmarks within a list. You won't be able to move entries before "History", "Bookmarks Bar", or "Bookmarks Menu", since these entries always appear in that listed order, but you'll be able to rearrange any other entries. If you want to reorder bookmarks or folders in either your "Bookmarks Bar" or "Bookmarks Menu" folders, just navigate to that folder, then double tap the "Edit button" that will be in the top right corner of your screen or pop up (on an iPad). Then move your finger down from that button (which has turned into a "Done" button) to the individual entries: "Reorder Read Later", "Reorder Audible", etc. -- with the appended information about being draggable if you double tap and hold, etc. Move these into the order you want, then double tap the "Done" button to exit "Edit" mode. > > I find that I don't organize all my bookmarks alphabetically. At least, I'll keep the most frequently accessed ones where I can easily get to them. This is particularly true if I use the iPad. I use the Bookmarks menu and the Bookmarks bar a lot more with the iPad touch screen. There's nothing quite as nice using my Mac under OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard), so if you have an iOS device, reorganize your bookmarks and folders on your device, and then sync the bookmarks back, either when you connect and sync your device, or with MobileMe. > > P.S. I know this is off-topic for this thread, but the reference to MobileMe reminds me that Travis, and others who have the iPhone 4, iPod Touch 4, or iPad, should get the free, "Find My iPhone" app, and also register for it under the special, restricted MobileMe support. That is, even if you are not a MobileMe subscriber, you can use the "Find My iPhone" feature to locate your iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch. It works for any generation model iOS device, but they made this a free feature for people who bought the later generation model devices. If you have an iPad, you should add that device (and any others you may have) to the list of devices registered to your account under the app. You'll need to create a login name for the MobileMe service. If you already have MobileMe, you just use that login, which is generally at me dot com (or mac dot com, if your account dates back long enough). This is not the same as your Apple login name, since in general most people who have iTunes accounts and Mac computers don't also have MobileMe accounts. If someone is already using the login name you choose, you'll be told that name is not free, and prompted to choose another. > > The way the "Find My iPhone" app works, is that you can log in with your assigned (MobileMe) login name and password into iOS device that is running this free app or onto the MobileMe "Find" page from any supported web browser on a computer (doesn't have to be Safari) and, if your iOS device has been registered to the account and is currently connected to the internet with location services turned on, you can find the device's location in a map view. What I use a lot is the ability to play a tone or send a message to the screen of the device. This plays a tone like a submarine's sonar ping on the device, that lets you locate it if you've put it down somewhere and can't immediately find it. This also works on all iOS devices, so it doesn't only work on iPhones where you can call a number. Even for the iPhone, the sound works better, because it keeps playing for a longer time than a phone would ring, to give you time to locate the device. You can send a message to the screen (for example, if you left it at home, and want to alert a family member about what you want them to do with it). You can also wipe the contents of the device, if you have this set up, in case the device has been stolen, and you don't want the information available to others. (Needless to say, this isn't a command that can be issued easily by mistake). I believe that if you get the app there is information about how to set up this feature and get a login. This was discussed a lot last November, so I don't remember the set up details. (It has always been a feature of MobileMe, so I never had to set this up separately). Here's the link to Apple's descriptive page about "Find my iPhone": > http://www.apple.com/mobileme/features/find-my-iphone.html > > The free app can be downloaded from: > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/find-my-iphone/id376101648?mt=8 > > You must be running at least iOS 4.2 to use this feature, and you have to set up your account from an iPhone 4, 4G iPod Touch, or iPad, even if you want to register other devices (such as an iPhone 3GS) to your account after you create it. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On May 10, 2011, at 05:00, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> A major bugbear of mine is the fact that Safari bookmarks don't appear alphabetically. Now I've looked at the web, and have found a way to do this, but it involves dragging bookmarks out of Safari into a folder in the Finder. I've tried the usual VO drag and drop but to no avail. Has anyone managed to do this successfully? >> >> D?nal >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 10 19:47:35 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 11:47:35 -0700 Subject: Safari 5.01 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <59FA14A3-7F51-4E32-A2BF-E7EBE967450E@gmail.com> <9710382A-B18C-4003-8551-A8E20B3B0927@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <273723D9-2EB8-4398-9D6E-DF9C88587A5D@gmail.com> Hmm I wonder why none of us are having issues with the site? I could as well navigate it flawlessly. Webkit ran like a dream. Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 10, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Colin M wrote: > Hi Gordon and Lynne! > I've just had a play on the site again! > This time I opened links, to look at options! > But yet again no bizzy bizzy! > Colin > Qapla! > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > > On 10 May 2011, at 15:43, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Nigel >> >> On 10 May 2011, at 01:59, Nigel Rhodes wrote: >> >> ? I'm using Sarafi 5.15 and have no trouble with the site.Hope you're feeling better. >> >> I presume you meant Safari 5.05 which, I believe, is the most current version. Gordon made an error with his version number; but he meant the current version. >> >> We are in the process of doing a lot of system maintenance, cache clearance, log clearance, etc. So we will see if that improves things. >> >> But our problems with that site are consistent. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From roger.firman at btinternet.com Tue May 10 20:01:01 2011 From: roger.firman at btinternet.com (Roger Firman) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 20:01:01 +0100 Subject: Skype Message-ID: I expect some of us have heard that Skype has been purchased today by, perhaps, not the most favourite company as mentioned on this List. Regards, Roger. From moriond at mac.com Tue May 10 20:13:44 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 09:13:44 -1000 Subject: sorting Safari Bookmarks alphabetically In-Reply-To: References: <0187B5B8-5230-4CD8-893E-8F13B4278F94@computing.dcu.ie> <47FE31C0-FDFF-4D8C-B6B1-A07E8234E074@mac.com> Message-ID: <963A8B31-8C42-4AA1-9F0E-0851CF17D30B@mac.com> Hi Sarah, I simply find it easier to reorder bookmarks and folders in Safari on an iDevice, and I suspect that OS X Lion is moving towards more integration with the iOS options. However, if I want to reorder my bookmarks on my computer, I'll usually just cut and paste the entries. So I'll select a bunch of bookmarks (can also be done with non-sequential selection if you turn cursor tracking off) and use Command-x to cut. Then I'll move up or down the list in the table and make sure that I click (VO-Shift-Space) to highlight the new position, and I'll paste (Command-V) to insert my reordered bookmarks. No need to drag and drop with VoiceOver, but if you want to drag and drop it's much easier on an iOS device. The list view in which I have used VoiceOver's drag and drop is when I want to reorganize playlists under selected folders in the Sources table of iTunes, but even there I don't use this very much now. I mostly used it for dragging and dropping playlists or selections onto an iPod (or iOS device), when I want to manually manage entries and add items. HTH. Cheers, Esther On May 10, 2011, at 08:46, Sarah Alawami wrote: > that can work but how about those of us with out IDevices? surely safari could not have overlooked this. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 10, 2011, at 10:46 AM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi D?nal, >> >> If you want to reorder your Safari bookmarks and are thinking of using VO drag and drop, just do the reordering on your iPad (or other iOS device), then sync them so the new ordering gets back to your computer. >> >> In Safari on your iPad or iPhone, flick right to the "Bookmarks" button, and double tap. Make sure that you are not in "History". If you are, either double tap the "Clear History" button or double tap the "Bookmarks, Back button". Now double tap the "Edit" button. Run your finger vertically down from where the "Edit" button was -- it has now become the "Done" button. You'll hear that beside each of the folders below the "Bookmarks Bar" and "Bookmarks Menu" there is now a "Reorder" button. For example, my Safari Bookmarks reflects the arrangement from a long time ago, when there were categories in folders like "News", "Sports", "Entertainment", and "Shopping", along with any folders that I might have created. In "Edit" mode, to the left of each folder entry there is a switch (e.g., "Delete News Folder, switch button off, double tap to toggle setting"), and to the right of each listed folder, in that vertical line down from the former "Edit" button, there is a button to "Reorder News Folder button, draggable, double tap and hold, wait for the sound, then drag to rearrange". >> >> If I want to reorder any of the folders of bookmarks, such as the "News" folder, in "Edit" mode I will move my finger to the button for reordering that folder of bookmarks, which is to the right of the listed entry and vertically below the former "Edit" (now "Done") button, and I'll do the double tap and hold pass through gesture. I'll hear the burbly noise that indicates the successful performance of the VoiceOver pass through gesture. Then, without lifting my finger from the screen, I'll move my finger down to place the folder where I want it to be in the list. As I move past other entries I'll hear VoiceOver announce, for example, "Move below Sports folder", and "Move below Entertainment folder". with a little plinking noise each time I shift position past a folder or bookmark entry. I only lift my finger when the folder has been moved to where I want it. Then I can move to the list entry for another folder or bookmark and reorder it. In practice, I usually run my finger vertically down the center of the list of bookmark or bookmark folder entries -- just below the "Bookmarks" heading on either the screen or the pop up (in the case of the iPad). When I find an entry that I want to reorder, I move my finger to the right to the "Reorder" button for that entry (that will also be announced as "Draggable, double tap and hold, wait for the sound, then drag to rearrange" after the entry name is given). I do a double tap and hold, and then move the entry up or down the list before lifting my finger from the screen once the entry is where I want it. The plinking noise as I move past entries, and the VoiceOver announcement that tells me what I have just moved past give me the information I need. If I move past the point I wanted to place the folder or bookmark, I simply just move back up again before lifting my finger and fixing the location of the bookmark or folder. I double tap the "Done" button to exit edit mode when I am finished. >> >> This method works equally well for rearranging bookmarks within a folder or folders (or subfolders) of bookmarks within a list. You won't be able to move entries before "History", "Bookmarks Bar", or "Bookmarks Menu", since these entries always appear in that listed order, but you'll be able to rearrange any other entries. If you want to reorder bookmarks or folders in either your "Bookmarks Bar" or "Bookmarks Menu" folders, just navigate to that folder, then double tap the "Edit button" that will be in the top right corner of your screen or pop up (on an iPad). Then move your finger down from that button (which has turned into a "Done" button) to the individual entries: "Reorder Read Later", "Reorder Audible", etc. -- with the appended information about being draggable if you double tap and hold, etc. Move these into the order you want, then double tap the "Done" button to exit "Edit" mode. >> >> I find that I don't organize all my bookmarks alphabetically. At least, I'll keep the most frequently accessed ones where I can easily get to them. This is particularly true if I use the iPad. I use the Bookmarks menu and the Bookmarks bar a lot more with the iPad touch screen. There's nothing quite as nice using my Mac under OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard), so if you have an iOS device, reorganize your bookmarks and folders on your device, and then sync the bookmarks back, either when you connect and sync your device, or with MobileMe. >> >> P.S. I know this is off-topic for this thread, but the reference to MobileMe reminds me that Travis, and others who have the iPhone 4, iPod Touch 4, or iPad, should get the free, "Find My iPhone" app, and also register for it under the special, restricted MobileMe support. That is, even if you are not a MobileMe subscriber, you can use the "Find My iPhone" feature to locate your iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch. It works for any generation model iOS device, but they made this a free feature for people who bought the later generation model devices. If you have an iPad, you should add that device (and any others you may have) to the list of devices registered to your account under the app. You'll need to create a login name for the MobileMe service. If you already have MobileMe, you just use that login, which is generally at me dot com (or mac dot com, if your account dates back long enough). This is not the same as your Apple login name, since in general most people who have iTunes accounts and Mac computers don't also have MobileMe accounts. If someone is already using the login name you choose, you'll be told that name is not free, and prompted to choose another. >> >> The way the "Find My iPhone" app works, is that you can log in with your assigned (MobileMe) login name and password into iOS device that is running this free app or onto the MobileMe "Find" page from any supported web browser on a computer (doesn't have to be Safari) and, if your iOS device has been registered to the account and is currently connected to the internet with location services turned on, you can find the device's location in a map view. What I use a lot is the ability to play a tone or send a message to the screen of the device. This plays a tone like a submarine's sonar ping on the device, that lets you locate it if you've put it down somewhere and can't immediately find it. This also works on all iOS devices, so it doesn't only work on iPhones where you can call a number. Even for the iPhone, the sound works better, because it keeps playing for a longer time than a phone would ring, to give you time to locate the device. You can send a message to the screen (for example, if you left it at home, and want to alert a family member about what you want them to do with it). You can also wipe the contents of the device, if you have this set up, in case the device has been stolen, and you don't want the information available to others. (Needless to say, this isn't a command that can be issued easily by mistake). I believe that if you get the app there is information about how to set up this feature and get a login. This was discussed a lot last November, so I don't remember the set up details. (It has always been a feature of MobileMe, so I never had to set this up separately). Here's the link to Apple's descriptive page about "Find my iPhone": >> http://www.apple.com/mobileme/features/find-my-iphone.html >> >> The free app can be downloaded from: >> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/find-my-iphone/id376101648?mt=8 >> >> You must be running at least iOS 4.2 to use this feature, and you have to set up your account from an iPhone 4, 4G iPod Touch, or iPad, even if you want to register other devices (such as an iPhone 3GS) to your account after you create it. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On May 10, 2011, at 05:00, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Hi there, >>> >>> A major bugbear of mine is the fact that Safari bookmarks don't appear alphabetically. Now I've looked at the web, and have found a way to do this, but it involves dragging bookmarks out of Safari into a folder in the Finder. I've tried the usual VO drag and drop but to no avail. Has anyone managed to do this successfully? >>> >>> D?nal >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue May 10 20:33:22 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 20:33:22 +0100 Subject: sorting Safari Bookmarks alphabetically In-Reply-To: <47FE31C0-FDFF-4D8C-B6B1-A07E8234E074@mac.com> References: <0187B5B8-5230-4CD8-893E-8F13B4278F94@computing.dcu.ie> <47FE31C0-FDFF-4D8C-B6B1-A07E8234E074@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Esther, Would you believe I haven't actually synced the bookmarks etc with my i-device(s). Will now do so :-) D?nal On 10 May 2011, at 18:46, Esther wrote: > Hi D?nal, > > If you want to reorder your Safari bookmarks and are thinking of using VO drag and drop, just do the reordering on your iPad (or other iOS device), then sync them so the new ordering gets back to your computer. > > In Safari on your iPad or iPhone, flick right to the "Bookmarks" button, and double tap. Make sure that you are not in "History". If you are, either double tap the "Clear History" button or double tap the "Bookmarks, Back button". Now double tap the "Edit" button. Run your finger vertically down from where the "Edit" button was -- it has now become the "Done" button. You'll hear that beside each of the folders below the "Bookmarks Bar" and "Bookmarks Menu" there is now a "Reorder" button. For example, my Safari Bookmarks reflects the arrangement from a long time ago, when there were categories in folders like "News", "Sports", "Entertainment", and "Shopping", along with any folders that I might have created. In "Edit" mode, to the left of each folder entry there is a switch (e.g., "Delete News Folder, switch button off, double tap to toggle setting"), and to the right of each listed folder, in that vertical line down from the former "Edit" button, there is a button to "Reorder News Folder button, draggable, double tap and hold, wait for the sound, then drag to rearrange". > > If I want to reorder any of the folders of bookmarks, such as the "News" folder, in "Edit" mode I will move my finger to the button for reordering that folder of bookmarks, which is to the right of the listed entry and vertically below the former "Edit" (now "Done") button, and I'll do the double tap and hold pass through gesture. I'll hear the burbly noise that indicates the successful performance of the VoiceOver pass through gesture. Then, without lifting my finger from the screen, I'll move my finger down to place the folder where I want it to be in the list. As I move past other entries I'll hear VoiceOver announce, for example, "Move below Sports folder", and "Move below Entertainment folder". with a little plinking noise each time I shift position past a folder or bookmark entry. I only lift my finger when the folder has been moved to where I want it. Then I can move to the list entry for another folder or bookmark and reorder it. In practice, I usually run my finger vertically down the center of the list of bookmark or bookmark folder entries -- just below the "Bookmarks" heading on either the screen or the pop up (in the case of the iPad). When I find an entry that I want to reorder, I move my finger to the right to the "Reorder" button for that entry (that will also be announced as "Draggable, double tap and hold, wait for the sound, then drag to rearrange" after the entry name is given). I do a double tap and hold, and then move the entry up or down the list before lifting my finger from the screen once the entry is where I want it. The plinking noise as I move past entries, and the VoiceOver announcement that tells me what I have just moved past give me the information I need. If I move past the point I wanted to place the folder or bookmark, I simply just move back up again before lifting my finger and fixing the location of the bookmark or folder. I double tap the "Done" button to exit edit mode when I am finished. > > This method works equally well for rearranging bookmarks within a folder or folders (or subfolders) of bookmarks within a list. You won't be able to move entries before "History", "Bookmarks Bar", or "Bookmarks Menu", since these entries always appear in that listed order, but you'll be able to rearrange any other entries. If you want to reorder bookmarks or folders in either your "Bookmarks Bar" or "Bookmarks Menu" folders, just navigate to that folder, then double tap the "Edit button" that will be in the top right corner of your screen or pop up (on an iPad). Then move your finger down from that button (which has turned into a "Done" button) to the individual entries: "Reorder Read Later", "Reorder Audible", etc. -- with the appended information about being draggable if you double tap and hold, etc. Move these into the order you want, then double tap the "Done" button to exit "Edit" mode. > > I find that I don't organize all my bookmarks alphabetically. At least, I'll keep the most frequently accessed ones where I can easily get to them. This is particularly true if I use the iPad. I use the Bookmarks menu and the Bookmarks bar a lot more with the iPad touch screen. There's nothing quite as nice using my Mac under OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard), so if you have an iOS device, reorganize your bookmarks and folders on your device, and then sync the bookmarks back, either when you connect and sync your device, or with MobileMe. > > P.S. I know this is off-topic for this thread, but the reference to MobileMe reminds me that Travis, and others who have the iPhone 4, iPod Touch 4, or iPad, should get the free, "Find My iPhone" app, and also register for it under the special, restricted MobileMe support. That is, even if you are not a MobileMe subscriber, you can use the "Find My iPhone" feature to locate your iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch. It works for any generation model iOS device, but they made this a free feature for people who bought the later generation model devices. If you have an iPad, you should add that device (and any others you may have) to the list of devices registered to your account under the app. You'll need to create a login name for the MobileMe service. If you already have MobileMe, you just use that login, which is generally at me dot com (or mac dot com, if your account dates back long enough). This is not the same as your Apple login name, since in general most people who have iTunes accounts and Mac computers don't also have MobileMe accounts. If someone is already using the login name you choose, you'll be told that name is not free, and prompted to choose another. > > The way the "Find My iPhone" app works, is that you can log in with your assigned (MobileMe) login name and password into iOS device that is running this free app or onto the MobileMe "Find" page from any supported web browser on a computer (doesn't have to be Safari) and, if your iOS device has been registered to the account and is currently connected to the internet with location services turned on, you can find the device's location in a map view. What I use a lot is the ability to play a tone or send a message to the screen of the device. This plays a tone like a submarine's sonar ping on the device, that lets you locate it if you've put it down somewhere and can't immediately find it. This also works on all iOS devices, so it doesn't only work on iPhones where you can call a number. Even for the iPhone, the sound works better, because it keeps playing for a longer time than a phone would ring, to give you time to locate the device. You can send a message to the screen (for example, if you left it at home, and want to alert a family member about what you want them to do with it). You can also wipe the contents of the device, if you have this set up, in case the device has been stolen, and you don't want the information available to others. (Needless to say, this isn't a command that can be issued easily by mistake). I believe that if you get the app there is information about how to set up this feature and get a login. This was discussed a lot last November, so I don't remember the set up details. (It has always been a feature of MobileMe, so I never had to set this up separately). Here's the link to Apple's descriptive page about "Find my iPhone": > http://www.apple.com/mobileme/features/find-my-iphone.html > > The free app can be downloaded from: > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/find-my-iphone/id376101648?mt=8 > > You must be running at least iOS 4.2 to use this feature, and you have to set up your account from an iPhone 4, 4G iPod Touch, or iPad, even if you want to register other devices (such as an iPhone 3GS) to your account after you create it. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On May 10, 2011, at 05:00, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Hi there, >> >> A major bugbear of mine is the fact that Safari bookmarks don't appear alphabetically. Now I've looked at the web, and have found a way to do this, but it involves dragging bookmarks out of Safari into a folder in the Finder. I've tried the usual VO drag and drop but to no avail. Has anyone managed to do this successfully? >> >> D?nal >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 10 21:10:09 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 13:10:09 -0700 Subject: sorting Safari Bookmarks alphabetically In-Reply-To: <963A8B31-8C42-4AA1-9F0E-0851CF17D30B@mac.com> References: <0187B5B8-5230-4CD8-893E-8F13B4278F94@computing.dcu.ie> <47FE31C0-FDFF-4D8C-B6B1-A07E8234E074@mac.com> <963A8B31-8C42-4AA1-9F0E-0851CF17D30B@mac.com> Message-ID: Intresssting? but how do ou abc order bookmark folders as well? cutting and pasting does not work. I tried it. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 10, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Sarah, > > I simply find it easier to reorder bookmarks and folders in Safari on an iDevice, and I suspect that OS X Lion is moving towards more integration with the iOS options. However, if I want to reorder my bookmarks on my computer, I'll usually just cut and paste the entries. So I'll select a bunch of bookmarks (can also be done with non-sequential selection if you turn cursor tracking off) and use Command-x to cut. Then I'll move up or down the list in the table and make sure that I click (VO-Shift-Space) to highlight the new position, and I'll paste (Command-V) to insert my reordered bookmarks. No need to drag and drop with VoiceOver, but if you want to drag and drop it's much easier on an iOS device. The list view in which I have used VoiceOver's drag and drop is when I want to reorganize playlists under selected folders in the Sources table of iTunes, but even there I don't use this very much now. I mostly used it for dragging and dropping playlists or selections onto an iPod (or iOS device), when I want to manually manage entries and add items. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On May 10, 2011, at 08:46, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> that can work but how about those of us with out IDevices? surely safari could not have overlooked this. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On May 10, 2011, at 10:46 AM, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi D?nal, >>> >>> If you want to reorder your Safari bookmarks and are thinking of using VO drag and drop, just do the reordering on your iPad (or other iOS device), then sync them so the new ordering gets back to your computer. >>> >>> In Safari on your iPad or iPhone, flick right to the "Bookmarks" button, and double tap. Make sure that you are not in "History". If you are, either double tap the "Clear History" button or double tap the "Bookmarks, Back button". Now double tap the "Edit" button. Run your finger vertically down from where the "Edit" button was -- it has now become the "Done" button. You'll hear that beside each of the folders below the "Bookmarks Bar" and "Bookmarks Menu" there is now a "Reorder" button. For example, my Safari Bookmarks reflects the arrangement from a long time ago, when there were categories in folders like "News", "Sports", "Entertainment", and "Shopping", along with any folders that I might have created. In "Edit" mode, to the left of each folder entry there is a switch (e.g., "Delete News Folder, switch button off, double tap to toggle setting"), and to the right of each listed folder, in that vertical line down from the former "Edit" button, there is a button to "Reorder News Folder button, draggable, double tap and hold, wait for the sound, then drag to rearrange". >>> >>> If I want to reorder any of the folders of bookmarks, such as the "News" folder, in "Edit" mode I will move my finger to the button for reordering that folder of bookmarks, which is to the right of the listed entry and vertically below the former "Edit" (now "Done") button, and I'll do the double tap and hold pass through gesture. I'll hear the burbly noise that indicates the successful performance of the VoiceOver pass through gesture. Then, without lifting my finger from the screen, I'll move my finger down to place the folder where I want it to be in the list. As I move past other entries I'll hear VoiceOver announce, for example, "Move below Sports folder", and "Move below Entertainment folder". with a little plinking noise each time I shift position past a folder or bookmark entry. I only lift my finger when the folder has been moved to where I want it. Then I can move to the list entry for another folder or bookmark and reorder it. In practice, I usually run my finger vertically down the center of the list of bookmark or bookmark folder entries -- just below the "Bookmarks" heading on either the screen or the pop up (in the case of the iPad). When I find an entry that I want to reorder, I move my finger to the right to the "Reorder" button for that entry (that will also be announced as "Draggable, double tap and hold, wait for the sound, then drag to rearrange" after the entry name is given). I do a double tap and hold, and then move the entry up or down the list before lifting my finger from the screen once the entry is where I want it. The plinking noise as I move past entries, and the VoiceOver announcement that tells me what I have just moved past give me the information I need. If I move past the point I wanted to place the folder or bookmark, I simply just move back up again before lifting my finger and fixing the location of the bookmark or folder. I double tap the "Done" button to exit edit mode when I am finished. >>> >>> This method works equally well for rearranging bookmarks within a folder or folders (or subfolders) of bookmarks within a list. You won't be able to move entries before "History", "Bookmarks Bar", or "Bookmarks Menu", since these entries always appear in that listed order, but you'll be able to rearrange any other entries. If you want to reorder bookmarks or folders in either your "Bookmarks Bar" or "Bookmarks Menu" folders, just navigate to that folder, then double tap the "Edit button" that will be in the top right corner of your screen or pop up (on an iPad). Then move your finger down from that button (which has turned into a "Done" button) to the individual entries: "Reorder Read Later", "Reorder Audible", etc. -- with the appended information about being draggable if you double tap and hold, etc. Move these into the order you want, then double tap the "Done" button to exit "Edit" mode. >>> >>> I find that I don't organize all my bookmarks alphabetically. At least, I'll keep the most frequently accessed ones where I can easily get to them. This is particularly true if I use the iPad. I use the Bookmarks menu and the Bookmarks bar a lot more with the iPad touch screen. There's nothing quite as nice using my Mac under OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard), so if you have an iOS device, reorganize your bookmarks and folders on your device, and then sync the bookmarks back, either when you connect and sync your device, or with MobileMe. >>> >>> P.S. I know this is off-topic for this thread, but the reference to MobileMe reminds me that Travis, and others who have the iPhone 4, iPod Touch 4, or iPad, should get the free, "Find My iPhone" app, and also register for it under the special, restricted MobileMe support. That is, even if you are not a MobileMe subscriber, you can use the "Find My iPhone" feature to locate your iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch. It works for any generation model iOS device, but they made this a free feature for people who bought the later generation model devices. If you have an iPad, you should add that device (and any others you may have) to the list of devices registered to your account under the app. You'll need to create a login name for the MobileMe service. If you already have MobileMe, you just use that login, which is generally at me dot com (or mac dot com, if your account dates back long enough). This is not the same as your Apple login name, since in general most people who have iTunes accounts and Mac computers don't also have MobileMe accounts. If someone is already using the login name you choose, you'll be told that name is not free, and prompted to choose another. >>> >>> The way the "Find My iPhone" app works, is that you can log in with your assigned (MobileMe) login name and password into iOS device that is running this free app or onto the MobileMe "Find" page from any supported web browser on a computer (doesn't have to be Safari) and, if your iOS device has been registered to the account and is currently connected to the internet with location services turned on, you can find the device's location in a map view. What I use a lot is the ability to play a tone or send a message to the screen of the device. This plays a tone like a submarine's sonar ping on the device, that lets you locate it if you've put it down somewhere and can't immediately find it. This also works on all iOS devices, so it doesn't only work on iPhones where you can call a number. Even for the iPhone, the sound works better, because it keeps playing for a longer time than a phone would ring, to give you time to locate the device. You can send a message to the screen (for example, if you left it at home, and want to alert a family member about what you want them to do with it). You can also wipe the contents of the device, if you have this set up, in case the device has been stolen, and you don't want the information available to others. (Needless to say, this isn't a command that can be issued easily by mistake). I believe that if you get the app there is information about how to set up this feature and get a login. This was discussed a lot last November, so I don't remember the set up details. (It has always been a feature of MobileMe, so I never had to set this up separately). Here's the link to Apple's descriptive page about "Find my iPhone": >>> http://www.apple.com/mobileme/features/find-my-iphone.html >>> >>> The free app can be downloaded from: >>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/find-my-iphone/id376101648?mt=8 >>> >>> You must be running at least iOS 4.2 to use this feature, and you have to set up your account from an iPhone 4, 4G iPod Touch, or iPad, even if you want to register other devices (such as an iPhone 3GS) to your account after you create it. >>> >>> HTH. Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> >>> >>> HTH. Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> On May 10, 2011, at 05:00, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> >>>> Hi there, >>>> >>>> A major bugbear of mine is the fact that Safari bookmarks don't appear alphabetically. Now I've looked at the web, and have found a way to do this, but it involves dragging bookmarks out of Safari into a folder in the Finder. I've tried the usual VO drag and drop but to no avail. Has anyone managed to do this successfully? >>>> >>>> D?nal >>>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 10 21:26:40 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 13:26:40 -0700 Subject: Skype In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <99125668-4824-41BC-BF69-8EC5D8F54F09@gmail.com> It's probably a roomer. I would not worry about it. but i'll look on my skype blogs from the horse's mouth shall we say lol! Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 10, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Roger Firman wrote: > I expect some of us have heard that Skype has been purchased today by, > perhaps, not the most favourite company as mentioned on this List. > > Regards, > > Roger. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 10 22:02:22 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 14:02:22 -0700 Subject: sorting Safari Bookmarks alphabetically In-Reply-To: <963A8B31-8C42-4AA1-9F0E-0851CF17D30B@mac.com> References: <0187B5B8-5230-4CD8-893E-8F13B4278F94@computing.dcu.ie> <47FE31C0-FDFF-4D8C-B6B1-A07E8234E074@mac.com> <963A8B31-8C42-4AA1-9F0E-0851CF17D30B@mac.com> Message-ID: <6654B220-DAB6-45E6-9C5E-58D1AF0C8663@gmail.com> > wellWell I got the phone thing to work but there's got to be another way using the mac to do it for those that don't have ios devices. I'm now working on each folder. Ug! this is going to take a long long time! Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 10, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Sarah, > > I simply find it easier to reorder bookmarks and folders in Safari on an iDevice, and I suspect that OS X Lion is moving towards more integration with the iOS options. However, if I want to reorder my bookmarks on my computer, I'll usually just cut and paste the entries. So I'll select a bunch of bookmarks (can also be done with non-sequential selection if you turn cursor tracking off) and use Command-x to cut. Then I'll move up or down the list in the table and make sure that I click (VO-Shift-Space) to highlight the new position, and I'll paste (Command-V) to insert my reordered bookmarks. No need to drag and drop with VoiceOver, but if you want to drag and drop it's much easier on an iOS device. The list view in which I have used VoiceOver's drag and drop is when I want to reorganize playlists under selected folders in the Sources table of iTunes, but even there I don't use this very much now. I mostly used it for dragging and dropping playlists or selections onto an iPod (or iOS device), when I want to manually manage entries and add items. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On May 10, 2011, at 08:46, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> that can work but how about those of us with out IDevices? surely safari could not have overlooked this. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On May 10, 2011, at 10:46 AM, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi D?nal, >>> >>> If you want to reorder your Safari bookmarks and are thinking of using VO drag and drop, just do the reordering on your iPad (or other iOS device), then sync them so the new ordering gets back to your computer. >>> >>> In Safari on your iPad or iPhone, flick right to the "Bookmarks" button, and double tap. Make sure that you are not in "History". If you are, either double tap the "Clear History" button or double tap the "Bookmarks, Back button". Now double tap the "Edit" button. Run your finger vertically down from where the "Edit" button was -- it has now become the "Done" button. You'll hear that beside each of the folders below the "Bookmarks Bar" and "Bookmarks Menu" there is now a "Reorder" button. For example, my Safari Bookmarks reflects the arrangement from a long time ago, when there were categories in folders like "News", "Sports", "Entertainment", and "Shopping", along with any folders that I might have created. In "Edit" mode, to the left of each folder entry there is a switch (e.g., "Delete News Folder, switch button off, double tap to toggle setting"), and to the right of each listed folder, in that vertical line down from the former "Edit" button, there is a button to "Reorder News Folder button, draggable, double tap and hold, wait for the sound, then drag to rearrange". >>> >>> If I want to reorder any of the folders of bookmarks, such as the "News" folder, in "Edit" mode I will move my finger to the button for reordering that folder of bookmarks, which is to the right of the listed entry and vertically below the former "Edit" (now "Done") button, and I'll do the double tap and hold pass through gesture. I'll hear the burbly noise that indicates the successful performance of the VoiceOver pass through gesture. Then, without lifting my finger from the screen, I'll move my finger down to place the folder where I want it to be in the list. As I move past other entries I'll hear VoiceOver announce, for example, "Move below Sports folder", and "Move below Entertainment folder". with a little plinking noise each time I shift position past a folder or bookmark entry. I only lift my finger when the folder has been moved to where I want it. Then I can move to the list entry for another folder or bookmark and reorder it. In practice, I usually run my finger vertically down the center of the list of bookmark or bookmark folder entries -- just below the "Bookmarks" heading on either the screen or the pop up (in the case of the iPad). When I find an entry that I want to reorder, I move my finger to the right to the "Reorder" button for that entry (that will also be announced as "Draggable, double tap and hold, wait for the sound, then drag to rearrange" after the entry name is given). I do a double tap and hold, and then move the entry up or down the list before lifting my finger from the screen once the entry is where I want it. The plinking noise as I move past entries, and the VoiceOver announcement that tells me what I have just moved past give me the information I need. If I move past the point I wanted to place the folder or bookmark, I simply just move back up again before lifting my finger and fixing the location of the bookmark or folder. I double tap the "Done" button to exit edit mode when I am finished. >>> >>> This method works equally well for rearranging bookmarks within a folder or folders (or subfolders) of bookmarks within a list. You won't be able to move entries before "History", "Bookmarks Bar", or "Bookmarks Menu", since these entries always appear in that listed order, but you'll be able to rearrange any other entries. If you want to reorder bookmarks or folders in either your "Bookmarks Bar" or "Bookmarks Menu" folders, just navigate to that folder, then double tap the "Edit button" that will be in the top right corner of your screen or pop up (on an iPad). Then move your finger down from that button (which has turned into a "Done" button) to the individual entries: "Reorder Read Later", "Reorder Audible", etc. -- with the appended information about being draggable if you double tap and hold, etc. Move these into the order you want, then double tap the "Done" button to exit "Edit" mode. >>> >>> I find that I don't organize all my bookmarks alphabetically. At least, I'll keep the most frequently accessed ones where I can easily get to them. This is particularly true if I use the iPad. I use the Bookmarks menu and the Bookmarks bar a lot more with the iPad touch screen. There's nothing quite as nice using my Mac under OS X 10.6 (Snow Leopard), so if you have an iOS device, reorganize your bookmarks and folders on your device, and then sync the bookmarks back, either when you connect and sync your device, or with MobileMe. >>> >>> P.S. I know this is off-topic for this thread, but the reference to MobileMe reminds me that Travis, and others who have the iPhone 4, iPod Touch 4, or iPad, should get the free, "Find My iPhone" app, and also register for it under the special, restricted MobileMe support. That is, even if you are not a MobileMe subscriber, you can use the "Find My iPhone" feature to locate your iPhone, iPad, or iPod Touch. It works for any generation model iOS device, but they made this a free feature for people who bought the later generation model devices. If you have an iPad, you should add that device (and any others you may have) to the list of devices registered to your account under the app. You'll need to create a login name for the MobileMe service. If you already have MobileMe, you just use that login, which is generally at me dot com (or mac dot com, if your account dates back long enough). This is not the same as your Apple login name, since in general most people who have iTunes accounts and Mac computers don't also have MobileMe accounts. If someone is already using the login name you choose, you'll be told that name is not free, and prompted to choose another. >>> >>> The way the "Find My iPhone" app works, is that you can log in with your assigned (MobileMe) login name and password into iOS device that is running this free app or onto the MobileMe "Find" page from any supported web browser on a computer (doesn't have to be Safari) and, if your iOS device has been registered to the account and is currently connected to the internet with location services turned on, you can find the device's location in a map view. What I use a lot is the ability to play a tone or send a message to the screen of the device. This plays a tone like a submarine's sonar ping on the device, that lets you locate it if you've put it down somewhere and can't immediately find it. This also works on all iOS devices, so it doesn't only work on iPhones where you can call a number. Even for the iPhone, the sound works better, because it keeps playing for a longer time than a phone would ring, to give you time to locate the device. You can send a message to the screen (for example, if you left it at home, and want to alert a family member about what you want them to do with it). You can also wipe the contents of the device, if you have this set up, in case the device has been stolen, and you don't want the information available to others. (Needless to say, this isn't a command that can be issued easily by mistake). I believe that if you get the app there is information about how to set up this feature and get a login. This was discussed a lot last November, so I don't remember the set up details. (It has always been a feature of MobileMe, so I never had to set this up separately). Here's the link to Apple's descriptive page about "Find my iPhone": >>> http://www.apple.com/mobileme/features/find-my-iphone.html >>> >>> The free app can be downloaded from: >>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/find-my-iphone/id376101648?mt=8 >>> >>> You must be running at least iOS 4.2 to use this feature, and you have to set up your account from an iPhone 4, 4G iPod Touch, or iPad, even if you want to register other devices (such as an iPhone 3GS) to your account after you create it. >>> >>> HTH. Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> >>> >>> HTH. Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> On May 10, 2011, at 05:00, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> >>>> Hi there, >>>> >>>> A major bugbear of mine is the fact that Safari bookmarks don't appear alphabetically. Now I've looked at the web, and have found a way to do this, but it involves dragging bookmarks out of Safari into a folder in the Finder. I've tried the usual VO drag and drop but to no avail. Has anyone managed to do this successfully? >>>> >>>> D?nal >>>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>>> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue May 10 22:44:03 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 07:44:03 +1000 Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Concerns_Over_Microsoft_Acquiring_Skype--_The_M?= =?windows-1252?Q?ac-cessibility_Network_=96_News_=5BLioncourt=2E?= =?windows-1252?Q?com=5D?= Message-ID: <480083F5-0EBF-4F1E-8078-3095AE199D75@internode.on.net> I found this editorial of interest regarding Microsofts recent purchase of Skype, I guess we can only wait to see what changes are made if any. http://www.lioncourt.com/2011/05/10/concerns-over-microsoft-acquiring-skype/ From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue May 10 23:21:40 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 23:21:40 +0100 Subject: Chromevox Message-ID: <8274A1CE-9D90-49B9-9CFD-4E623EAAC311@computing.dcu.ie> Evening folks, Just reading some very interesting tweets by Dr. T.V. Raman of Google. For those who don't know him, this man is one of the leading minds in accessibility of our generation. He did some work on verbalising mathematics in '94 and has been doing interesting things ever since. So digression over, his tweets are talking about a screenreader extension called Chromevox which claims to support mac voiceover. It seems, and I'd add the caveat that my knowledge is based on just a few tweets, to turn on/off certain features in the ChromeOs which produces accessible views of things. Now my past experience of Raman's work says that this is either going to be excellent and usable by everyone, or very innovative and usable by one person: namely Raman himself. However, let's go with the glass being half full for once, and say that we might possibly soon have access to Chrome on the mac. Cheers, D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 10 23:34:55 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 15:34:55 -0700 Subject: Ballmer: We won't drop Skype support for Mac, iOS Message-ID: <9E1B5A96-6483-41ED-9C0B-6322DEB28819@gmail.com> this might be the wrong list if so my apologies. Ballmer: We won't drop Skype support for Mac, iOS Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer today promised that the company would continue to develop and support Skype on rival platforms. http://bit.ly/jfg1bj From moriond at mac.com Tue May 10 23:54:56 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 12:54:56 -1000 Subject: SafariSort freeware solution for Mac {was Re: sorting Safari Bookmarks alphabetically} In-Reply-To: <6654B220-DAB6-45E6-9C5E-58D1AF0C8663@gmail.com> References: <0187B5B8-5230-4CD8-893E-8F13B4278F94@computing.dcu.ie> <47FE31C0-FDFF-4D8C-B6B1-A07E8234E074@mac.com> <963A8B31-8C42-4AA1-9F0E-0851CF17D30B@mac.com> <6654B220-DAB6-45E6-9C5E-58D1AF0C8663@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87FC8CEB-F843-41B7-A0C0-D9F4F6429745@mac.com> Hi Sarah, D?nal, and Others, Well, I did get VoiceOver Drag and Drop working in the "Show All Bookmarks" page on my Mac, but since I think D?nal and Sarah were looking for an easier solution, try instead downloading the free SafariSort for Mac: http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/34101/safarisort This app assumes that you want to sort all your folders and bookmarks alphabetically. SafariSort runs on your Mac, and does not offer a special interface for rearranging your Bookmarks in any other order. It will close any open Safari windows when it runs. (Note: I don't really want my Bookmarks Bar to be sorted this way, since I like using Command+1, etc. to run the first bookmark or bookmarklet in my Bookmarks Bar, and the most useful apps do not come at the beginning of the alphabet!). There used to be older apps like Bookdog and Sogudi (a plug-in) that allow you to configure things. However, Sogudi stopped development when the developer experienced a major crash in which he lost all his source code. Bookdog has a later version (for Leopard and Snow Leopard) called BookMacster which you can buy for $22.95: http://www.sheepsystems.com/products/bkmx/ It does other things, like sync your bookmarks across multiple machines etc. (various things that I can do through MobileMe), so you can take a look at it. However, I'm really not inclined to spend this amount just to organize my bookmarks. SafariSort is freeware, and is a GNU product distributed through the Creative Commons license. There's a Readme file in the folder. You must copy or move the application to your applications folder (Command-Shift-A to move to the Applications Folder in Finder), and run it from there. It makes a backup copy of your file: ~/Library/Safari/Bookmarks.plist So if you use Finder and go to your ~/Library/Safari/ folder (e.g., with the Command-Shift-G "Go to Folder" shortcut, and then type or paste in "~/Library/Safari" into the text box (without the quotation marks) and press return, immediately after running SafariSort you'll find a file named "Bookmarks.plist" that is your current (alphabetized) bookmarks, and a file named "Bookmarks.plist.bak" that is the saved set of bookmarks (not alphabetized, if you just ran SafariSort for the first time). This is supposed to run on both PPC and Intel Macs, and work for OS X 10.5 and 10.6. Personally, I'm sufficiently paranoid that I would make a copy of my ~/Library/Safari/Bookmarks.plist file to the Desktop before running SafariSort for the first time, as well as using File > Export Bookmarks from the Safari menu bar to save a "Safari Bookmarks .html" file on my Desktop, as well. Anyway, if you run SafariSort, it will created the saved Bookmarks.plist.bak file, close any Safari windows that are open, and sort through the folders and bookmarks alphabetically. A dialog window will pop up telling you that it is finished. When you launch Safari again, all your Bookmarks and folders should be alphabetically ordered. This also means that special characters and numbers get listed before letters. HTH. Cheers, Esther On May 10, 2011, at 11:02, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> wellWell I got the phone thing to work but there's got to be another way using the mac to do it for those that don't have ios devices. I'm now working on each folder. Ug! this is going to take a long long time! > Sarah Alawami > From lmumford at uga.edu Wed May 11 01:23:40 2011 From: lmumford at uga.edu (Linda Mumford) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 00:23:40 +0000 Subject: Help! my computer won't talk (oops) Message-ID: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283007E5B1A2@CH1PRD0202MB109.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> update about my computer-- it's talking now! as per suggestions I pressed the f10 key and that turned off the mute. much thanks! Linda PS. don't know why my previous message was blank, but this s what I wanted to write From moriond at mac.com Wed May 11 02:07:09 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 15:07:09 -1000 Subject: Success with Command+F5 [was Re: Help! My computer won't talk] In-Reply-To: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283007E5B0D2@CH1PRD0202MB109.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> References: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283007E5B0D2@CH1PRD0202MB109.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <3FB5CA6C-F69A-4659-B8B7-4E20E7259AEB@mac.com> Hi Linda, On May 10, 2011, at 08:38, Linda Mumford wrote: > It was on mute! I hit f10 to turn off the mute and then command plus f5 and voila-- alex started talking! It took about an hour altogether, but I then muddled through and finally found ) the systems preferences then keyborad then clicked keyboard again and found the check box for the function keys and checked it. now I'll have to hit the function key plus the f10 key to deliberately mute the computer (which I doubt I'll ever want to do.. smile) > Linda Very glad that all is working for you now. Your comment about the F10 key for muting reminds me that I also deactivate the F9, F10, and F11 key Expos? and Spaces functions, since these are not functions that are useful to visually impaired users. Pressing the F10 key by itself, now that you have your MacBook Pro configured so that under System Preferences > Keyboard under the Keyboard tab (1 of 2) the "Use all F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys" check box is checked, will launch the software Expos? function. Expos? works like a visual version of the window chooser menu under VoiceOver (VO-F2-F2). Instead of getting a list view rendering of the currently open windows in an applications, Expos? turns the entire screen into a kind of icon view display of open windows, where all the individual windows are shrunk down to thumbnail icons and arranged across the screen. The system waits for the user to either click their mouse in the icon window that they want to switch to or else to press the F10 (or F9 or F11) button again, to return focus to the previous window. As far as the VoiceOver user is concerned, the computer has stopped responding while it waits for you to select a window to switch to. The different options for F9, F10, and F11 basically give Expos? options to switch between windows of the currently active application, all windows of all active applications, or to bypass the icon view of windows and select an icon from the Desktop. Needless to say, this functionality has only produced problems for VoiceOver users, and despite my suggestions to the Apple Accessibility team to uncheck this option as a default when VoiceOver activated, it remains a default configuration. If you want to disable the Expos? options, use either VO-M or Control-F2 to navigate to the Apple menu on the menu bar (Control-F2 is the OS X shortcut, while VO-M only works when VoiceOver is turned on to do the same thing), arrow down into the menu and press "s y" to move to "System Preferences?" and press return. Then navigate to the the "Keyboard" menu you used to check the box for using the F1, F2, etc. keys as standard function keys. The difference this time is that you want to select the "Keyboard Shortcuts" tab (2 of 2). Use item chooser menu (VO-I) to move to this tab and select it (VO-Space). Then, navigate (VO-Right arrow) past the "Shortcuts Categories" table (since Expos? and Spaces should already be selected here by default) to the "Keyboard Shortcuts" table corresponding to the category selection, and interact (VO-Shift-Down Arrow). The first item in this table should be a check box for Expos?. Unchecking the box of Expos? will deactivate the shortcut definitions for the Expos? shortcuts. (If you want to find out what these are, you can find the individual entries listed with the default shortcut key assignments: "All Windows" is F9, "Application Windows" is F10, and "Desktop" is F11. These correspond to the icon view displays that let you switch between all windows of all active applications, all open windows of the current application, and hide current windows to display the Desktop. You can check individual shortcuts, but unchecking the box for "Expos?" deactivates all the individual Expos? check box options. Stop interacting with the table (VO-Shift-Up arrow) and close the System Preferences Keyboard window with Command-W. Incidentally, if you also install VMWare Fusion and run Windows in a virtual environment with applications that use the F9, F10, and F11 keys, disabling the Mac Expos? shortcut definitions also removes any key conflicts with those Windows applications. HTH. Cheers, Esther > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed May 11 03:08:03 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 19:08:03 -0700 Subject: SafariSort freeware solution for Mac {was Re: sorting Safari Bookmarks alphabetically} In-Reply-To: <87FC8CEB-F843-41B7-A0C0-D9F4F6429745@mac.com> References: <0187B5B8-5230-4CD8-893E-8F13B4278F94@computing.dcu.ie> <47FE31C0-FDFF-4D8C-B6B1-A07E8234E074@mac.com> <963A8B31-8C42-4AA1-9F0E-0851CF17D30B@mac.com> <6654B220-DAB6-45E6-9C5E-58D1AF0C8663@gmail.com> <87FC8CEB-F843-41B7-A0C0-D9F4F6429745@mac.com> Message-ID: <03EDE221-7CE8-4FAC-B1F2-1B2D1CB58A3C@gmail.com> I was gong ot suggest like if you have youtube in the bookmarks bar you can mane it !youtube or what ever if you still want it there. I don' tuse teh bookmarks bar at all but yeah I'll give this a try. I might do a youtube vid on the advantages and disadvantages of bith. Take care and 73 to all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 10, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Sarah, D?nal, and Others, > > Well, I did get VoiceOver Drag and Drop working in the "Show All Bookmarks" page on my Mac, but since I think D?nal and Sarah were looking for an easier solution, try instead downloading the free SafariSort for Mac: > http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/34101/safarisort > This app assumes that you want to sort all your folders and bookmarks alphabetically. SafariSort runs on your Mac, and does not offer a special interface for rearranging your Bookmarks in any other order. It will close any open Safari windows when it runs. (Note: I don't really want my Bookmarks Bar to be sorted this way, since I like using Command+1, etc. to run the first bookmark or bookmarklet in my Bookmarks Bar, and the most useful apps do not come at the beginning of the alphabet!). > > There used to be older apps like Bookdog and Sogudi (a plug-in) that allow you to configure things. However, Sogudi stopped development when the developer experienced a major crash in which he lost all his source code. Bookdog has a later version (for Leopard and Snow Leopard) called BookMacster which you can buy for $22.95: > http://www.sheepsystems.com/products/bkmx/ > > It does other things, like sync your bookmarks across multiple machines etc. (various things that I can do through MobileMe), so you can take a look at it. However, I'm really not inclined to spend this amount just to organize my bookmarks. > > SafariSort is freeware, and is a GNU product distributed through the Creative Commons license. There's a Readme file in the folder. You must copy or move the application to your applications folder (Command-Shift-A to move to the Applications Folder in Finder), and run it from there. It makes a backup copy of your file: > ~/Library/Safari/Bookmarks.plist > So if you use Finder and go to your ~/Library/Safari/ folder (e.g., with the Command-Shift-G "Go to Folder" shortcut, and then type or paste in "~/Library/Safari" into the text box (without the quotation marks) and press return, immediately after running SafariSort you'll find a file named "Bookmarks.plist" that is your current (alphabetized) bookmarks, and a file named "Bookmarks.plist.bak" that is the saved set of bookmarks (not alphabetized, if you just ran SafariSort for the first time). This is supposed to run on both PPC and Intel Macs, and work for OS X 10.5 and 10.6. > > Personally, I'm sufficiently paranoid that I would make a copy of my ~/Library/Safari/Bookmarks.plist file to the Desktop before running SafariSort for the first time, as well as using File > Export Bookmarks from the Safari menu bar to save a "Safari Bookmarks .html" file on my Desktop, as well. > > Anyway, if you run SafariSort, it will created the saved Bookmarks.plist.bak file, close any Safari windows that are open, and sort through the folders and bookmarks alphabetically. A dialog window will pop up telling you that it is finished. When you launch Safari again, all your Bookmarks and folders should be alphabetically ordered. This also means that special characters and numbers get listed before letters. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On May 10, 2011, at 11:02, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >>> wellWell I got the phone thing to work but there's got to be another way using the mac to do it for those that don't have ios devices. I'm now working on each folder. Ug! this is going to take a long long time! >> Sarah Alawami >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Wed May 11 03:11:59 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 22:11:59 -0400 Subject: Chromevox In-Reply-To: <8274A1CE-9D90-49B9-9CFD-4E623EAAC311@computing.dcu.ie> References: <8274A1CE-9D90-49B9-9CFD-4E623EAAC311@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: I have Chrome downloaded now. I don't have this ChromeVox thing unless it's included in the appliation, and I can use it just fine. Oh, there are quirks, but I can muddle along. Jane On May 10, 2011, at 6:21 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Evening folks, > > Just reading some very interesting tweets by Dr. T.V. Raman of Google. For those who don't know him, this man is one of the leading minds in accessibility of our generation. He did some work on verbalising mathematics in '94 and has been doing interesting things ever since. > > So digression over, his tweets are talking about a screenreader extension called Chromevox which claims to support mac voiceover. It seems, and I'd add the caveat that my knowledge is based on just a few tweets, to turn on/off certain features in the ChromeOs which produces accessible views of things. Now my past experience of Raman's work says that this is either going to be excellent and usable by everyone, or very innovative and usable by one person: namely Raman himself. However, let's go with the glass being half full for once, and say that we might possibly soon have access to Chrome on the mac. > > Cheers, > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Jane From tsiegel at softcon.com Wed May 11 03:16:26 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 21:16:26 -0500 Subject: Chromevox In-Reply-To: <8274A1CE-9D90-49B9-9CFD-4E623EAAC311@computing.dcu.ie> References: <8274A1CE-9D90-49B9-9CFD-4E623EAAC311@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: I've recently seen posts on the apple accessibility list about chrome, so there is someone working on making the browser accessible, perhaps this is an offshoot of that work. I'd certainly be willing to give it a try if it works. From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed May 11 04:15:06 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 10 May 2011 20:15:06 -0700 Subject: can a person use IMovie when they are blind? Message-ID: The subject line is not written well. Forgive. I'm just a bit tired. but basically I've gotten no's but I don't except a no. Can a person use IMovie effectively? I ant to create a fade at the beginning and end of the clip but my sliders are dimmed. I want to ry and find a way to do this of possible with out sighted assistance as I will be doing this all the time, or trying to anyway. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From w9fyi at mac-access.net Wed May 11 09:40:23 2011 From: w9fyi at mac-access.net (Justin Mann) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 01:40:23 -0700 Subject: BBC and Itunes In-Reply-To: <8F912047-D5E0-403F-9F60-7C50E6CA182C@thejazzden.org.uk> References: <678A6AC2-915B-4879-AA8E-9B67F5AE7542@internode.on.net> <8F912047-D5E0-403F-9F60-7C50E6CA182C@thejazzden.org.uk> Message-ID: <2E610D8D-20CA-41F7-869D-3DEA6F2DAB74@mac-access.net> Where are they listed in itunes? On Apr 30, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Dennis Freedman wrote: > Hello Dane and thanks. I'd forgotten about the fact that BBC programmes are now shown in ITunes. Much the easiest and to me the best solution. > Thanks again. > > On 30 Apr 2011, at 00:06, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> Think someone was talking about playing BBC Radio 4 on list some time ago? Please forgive me if this has been mentioned, wasn't following the thread. >> >> I was alerted by someone who uses Itunes for radio listening that all the BBC streams are now in the Itunes radio list so perhaps that may help those wishing to listen to BBC Radio 4. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed May 11 10:06:42 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 19:06:42 +1000 Subject: BBC and Itunes In-Reply-To: <2E610D8D-20CA-41F7-869D-3DEA6F2DAB74@mac-access.net> References: <678A6AC2-915B-4879-AA8E-9B67F5AE7542@internode.on.net> <8F912047-D5E0-403F-9F60-7C50E6CA182C@thejazzden.org.uk> <2E610D8D-20CA-41F7-869D-3DEA6F2DAB74@mac-access.net> Message-ID: not that I've deliberately looked but I reckon its a fair bet you'll find say BBC Radios 4 and 5 under "News". On 11/05/2011, at 6:40 PM, Justin Mann wrote: > Where are they listed in itunes? > On Apr 30, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Dennis Freedman wrote: > >> Hello Dane and thanks. I'd forgotten about the fact that BBC programmes are now shown in ITunes. Much the easiest and to me the best solution. >> Thanks again. >> >> On 30 Apr 2011, at 00:06, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> Think someone was talking about playing BBC Radio 4 on list some time ago? Please forgive me if this has been mentioned, wasn't following the thread. >>> >>> I was alerted by someone who uses Itunes for radio listening that all the BBC streams are now in the Itunes radio list so perhaps that may help those wishing to listen to BBC Radio 4. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Wed May 11 10:10:36 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 10:10:36 +0100 Subject: BBC and Itunes In-Reply-To: <2E610D8D-20CA-41F7-869D-3DEA6F2DAB74@mac-access.net> References: <678A6AC2-915B-4879-AA8E-9B67F5AE7542@internode.on.net> <8F912047-D5E0-403F-9F60-7C50E6CA182C@thejazzden.org.uk> <2E610D8D-20CA-41F7-869D-3DEA6F2DAB74@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Justin! Well which BBC station are you wanting :] But first have you got radio showing in the source table if not you can check it in prefs under general! If you've got it then open and you should have a list of different things I went to news and talk and expanded that one and in there was BBC 4 and BBC 5 stations! Under top 40 was BBC 1 and 1 xtra! I think you can also go to the search field to the left of the source table and just put BBC then in the radio table should be the BBC stations listed! Colin I'm far too bad for Heaven! The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! On 11 May 2011, at 09:40, Justin Mann wrote: > Where are they listed in itunes? > On Apr 30, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Dennis Freedman wrote: > >> Hello Dane and thanks. I'd forgotten about the fact that BBC programmes are now shown in ITunes. Much the easiest and to me the best solution. >> Thanks again. >> >> On 30 Apr 2011, at 00:06, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> Think someone was talking about playing BBC Radio 4 on list some time ago? Please forgive me if this has been mentioned, wasn't following the thread. >>> >>> I was alerted by someone who uses Itunes for radio listening that all the BBC streams are now in the Itunes radio list so perhaps that may help those wishing to listen to BBC Radio 4. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 11 10:29:23 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 10:29:23 +0100 Subject: S3 Protocol; [Was Re: Interesting question] In-Reply-To: <0ED57116-B929-47C8-BDCA-2AC1CAFA1A5E@gmail.com> References: <9771504B-1CD2-4BA7-AC69-C8EA4B8BFE3A@mac-access.net> <0ED57116-B929-47C8-BDCA-2AC1CAFA1A5E@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Sarah & all Gordon should have used a more appropriate subject line, and he's been suitably chastised. :) I doubt that this will work somehow, but it might be an interesting experiment. Lynne On 9 May 2011, at 23:52, Sarah Alawami wrote: Nope never tried; I could probably give it a try if i can figure out, but I have vissions of contract terms dancing in my head at the moment. I'll try though. From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 11 10:34:28 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 10:34:28 +0100 Subject: Safari 5.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <5E530E17-CE92-41E3-992B-4D6CD7624BE9@gmail.com> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <84BE5EBC-3015-4609-95FA-C108CD1F267C@mac-access.net> <5E530E17-CE92-41E3-992B-4D6CD7624BE9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9D5A544D-80BB-474D-ABFE-4367CC6E721B@mac-access.net> Hello Colin On 9 May 2011, at 23:55, Colin M wrote: ? I'm not sure what you mean by tabbing! There is a key on your keyboard known as the "Tab" key. It is used in Safari if configured in the Advanced preferences to move between elements. That's what Gordon means by "Tabbing". Actually though, in this instance what we weren't aware of is that we had a cookie installed which automatically takes us to where we'd be by clicking the "Existing Customer" button. And it's after that button is clicked that Gordon is getting the problem. You don't have to be a customer to test that, just press the button. Why do you need to use the rotor? In all honestuy I don't think Gordon ever uses the rotor to navigate websites. There are hot keys to move by headers, links etc., and I don't think he's ever needed to use the rotor. Lynne But I use the rota and when on headers or links and I get back on the main page, it continues to nav ok! headers to headers and links to links! But no dizzy dizzy! But I'm not a customer so cannot go further if it's a problem in side an account! From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Wed May 11 11:03:57 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 11:03:57 +0100 Subject: Safari 5.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <9D5A544D-80BB-474D-ABFE-4367CC6E721B@mac-access.net> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <84BE5EBC-3015-4609-95FA-C108CD1F267C@mac-access.net> <5E530E17-CE92-41E3-992B-4D6CD7624BE9@gmail.com> <9D5A544D-80BB-474D-ABFE-4367CC6E721B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <373C0355-8AA1-4F7A-86D1-6651330E93C8@gmail.com> Hi Lynne! First thanks for changing the subject heading! I have not got use to using the tab key! As for the rota it's just the way I got use to! I do not know how many people know that in quick nav mode the arrow keys act as the rota! So I can change from headers to links by pressing the up and either the left or right arrow keys to change how I nav! So it's one of those [ what your use to! ] Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 11 May 2011, at 10:34, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Colin > > On 9 May 2011, at 23:55, Colin M wrote: > > ? I'm not sure what you mean by tabbing! > > There is a key on your keyboard known as the "Tab" key. It is used in Safari if configured in the Advanced preferences to move between elements. That's what Gordon means by "Tabbing". > > Actually though, in this instance what we weren't aware of is that we had a cookie installed which automatically takes us to where we'd be by clicking the "Existing Customer" button. And it's after that button is clicked that Gordon is getting the problem. > > You don't have to be a customer to test that, just press the button. > > Why do you need to use the rotor? In all honestly I don't think Gordon ever uses the rotor to navigate websites. There are hot keys to move by headers, links etc., and I don't think he's ever needed to use the rotor. > > Lynne > > But I use the rota and when on headers or links and I get back on the main page, it continues to nav ok! > headers to headers and links to links! > But no dizzy dizzy! > But I'm not a customer so cannot go further if it's a problem in side an account! > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Wed May 11 11:11:40 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 11:11:40 +0100 Subject: Safari 5.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <9D5A544D-80BB-474D-ABFE-4367CC6E721B@mac-access.net> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <84BE5EBC-3015-4609-95FA-C108CD1F267C@mac-access.net> <5E530E17-CE92-41E3-992B-4D6CD7624BE9@gmail.com> <9D5A544D-80BB-474D-ABFE-4367CC6E721B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9B2C1CD3-008D-4730-BBAD-571070BDD2A1@blueyonder.co.uk> I must admit, I always use the rota, I very rarely use the hot keys. I guess it is because I started life as a screen reader user on the Mac first and Windows second. Windows users tend to use the tab key and shortcut keys for navigating web pages. As on the Mac I use the rota, as I can then drill down and filter items too, and I also like to use the track pad to move between elements too. Plus I think having to press VO+command+shift + H to move back a heading is a bit of a chore. On 11 May 2011, at 10:34, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Colin > > On 9 May 2011, at 23:55, Colin M wrote: > > ? I'm not sure what you mean by tabbing! > > There is a key on your keyboard known as the "Tab" key. It is used in Safari if configured in the Advanced preferences to move between elements. That's what Gordon means by "Tabbing". > > Actually though, in this instance what we weren't aware of is that we had a cookie installed which automatically takes us to where we'd be by clicking the "Existing Customer" button. And it's after that button is clicked that Gordon is getting the problem. > > You don't have to be a customer to test that, just press the button. > > Why do you need to use the rotor? In all honestuy I don't think Gordon ever uses the rotor to navigate websites. There are hot keys to move by headers, links etc., and I don't think he's ever needed to use the rotor. > > Lynne > > But I use the rota and when on headers or links and I get back on the main page, it continues to nav ok! > headers to headers and links to links! > But no dizzy dizzy! > But I'm not a customer so cannot go further if it's a problem in side an account! > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From w9fyi at mac-access.net Wed May 11 13:39:08 2011 From: w9fyi at mac-access.net (Justin Mann) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 05:39:08 -0700 Subject: BBC and Itunes In-Reply-To: References: <678A6AC2-915B-4879-AA8E-9B67F5AE7542@internode.on.net> <8F912047-D5E0-403F-9F60-7C50E6CA182C@thejazzden.org.uk> <2E610D8D-20CA-41F7-869D-3DEA6F2DAB74@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I found radio4. Now I'm looking for radio4 extra which is what was radio7. On May 11, 2011, at 2:10 AM, Colin M wrote: > Hi Justin! > Well which BBC station are you wanting :] > But first have you got radio showing in the source table if not you can check it in prefs under general! > If you've got it then open and you should have a list of different things I went to news and talk and expanded that one and in there was BBC 4 and BBC 5 stations! > Under top 40 was BBC 1 and 1 xtra! > I think you can also go to the search field to the left of the source table and just put BBC then in the radio table should be the BBC stations listed! > Colin > > I'm far too bad for Heaven! > The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! > > On 11 May 2011, at 09:40, Justin Mann wrote: > >> Where are they listed in itunes? >> On Apr 30, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Dennis Freedman wrote: >> >>> Hello Dane and thanks. I'd forgotten about the fact that BBC programmes are now shown in ITunes. Much the easiest and to me the best solution. >>> Thanks again. >>> >>> On 30 Apr 2011, at 00:06, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> Think someone was talking about playing BBC Radio 4 on list some time ago? Please forgive me if this has been mentioned, wasn't following the thread. >>>> >>>> I was alerted by someone who uses Itunes for radio listening that all the BBC streams are now in the Itunes radio list so perhaps that may help those wishing to listen to BBC Radio 4. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From w9fyi at mac-access.net Wed May 11 13:41:58 2011 From: w9fyi at mac-access.net (Justin Mann) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 05:41:58 -0700 Subject: getting out of hell in soultrapper? Message-ID: <1EF18254-1474-48B2-8B1F-96C93F04EB45@mac-access.net> Hi list, Has anybody figured out how to get out of hell in Soul trapper, or a good way to use the swords when fighting the devil? The game is easy, but I end up getting beat because I loose my place when trying to use the swords. Thanks, From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Wed May 11 14:31:36 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 14:31:36 +0100 Subject: BBC and Itunes In-Reply-To: References: <678A6AC2-915B-4879-AA8E-9B67F5AE7542@internode.on.net> <8F912047-D5E0-403F-9F60-7C50E6CA182C@thejazzden.org.uk> <2E610D8D-20CA-41F7-869D-3DEA6F2DAB74@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <83DAB41E-2BFB-4E73-85A0-4633819482C7@gmail.com> Hi Justin! You'll find 4 extra under comedy! Colin I'm far too bad for Heaven! The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! On 11 May 2011, at 13:39, Justin Mann wrote: > I found radio4. Now I'm looking for radio4 extra which is what was radio7. > On May 11, 2011, at 2:10 AM, Colin M wrote: > >> Hi Justin! >> Well which BBC station are you wanting :] >> But first have you got radio showing in the source table if not you can check it in prefs under general! >> If you've got it then open and you should have a list of different things I went to news and talk and expanded that one and in there was BBC 4 and BBC 5 stations! >> Under top 40 was BBC 1 and 1 xtra! >> I think you can also go to the search field to the left of the source table and just put BBC then in the radio table should be the BBC stations listed! >> Colin >> >> I'm far too bad for Heaven! >> The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! >> >> On 11 May 2011, at 09:40, Justin Mann wrote: >> >>> Where are they listed in itunes? >>> On Apr 30, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Dennis Freedman wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Dane and thanks. I'd forgotten about the fact that BBC programmes are now shown in ITunes. Much the easiest and to me the best solution. >>>> Thanks again. >>>> >>>> On 30 Apr 2011, at 00:06, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> >>>>> Think someone was talking about playing BBC Radio 4 on list some time ago? Please forgive me if this has been mentioned, wasn't following the thread. >>>>> >>>>> I was alerted by someone who uses Itunes for radio listening that all the BBC streams are now in the Itunes radio list so perhaps that may help those wishing to listen to BBC Radio 4. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed May 11 14:33:11 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 14:33:11 +0100 Subject: BBC and Itunes In-Reply-To: <83DAB41E-2BFB-4E73-85A0-4633819482C7@gmail.com> References: <678A6AC2-915B-4879-AA8E-9B67F5AE7542@internode.on.net> <8F912047-D5E0-403F-9F60-7C50E6CA182C@thejazzden.org.uk> <2E610D8D-20CA-41F7-869D-3DEA6F2DAB74@mac-access.net> <83DAB41E-2BFB-4E73-85A0-4633819482C7@gmail.com> Message-ID: Colin this info is great thanks. It's a shame that the radio streams don't show up on iPads... or do they and I've missed it? On 11 May 2011, at 14:31, Colin M wrote: > Hi Justin! > You'll find 4 extra under comedy! > Colin > I'm far too bad for Heaven! > The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! > > On 11 May 2011, at 13:39, Justin Mann wrote: > >> I found radio4. Now I'm looking for radio4 extra which is what was radio7. >> On May 11, 2011, at 2:10 AM, Colin M wrote: >> >>> Hi Justin! >>> Well which BBC station are you wanting :] >>> But first have you got radio showing in the source table if not you can check it in prefs under general! >>> If you've got it then open and you should have a list of different things I went to news and talk and expanded that one and in there was BBC 4 and BBC 5 stations! >>> Under top 40 was BBC 1 and 1 xtra! >>> I think you can also go to the search field to the left of the source table and just put BBC then in the radio table should be the BBC stations listed! >>> Colin >>> >>> I'm far too bad for Heaven! >>> The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! >>> >>> On 11 May 2011, at 09:40, Justin Mann wrote: >>> >>>> Where are they listed in itunes? >>>> On Apr 30, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Dennis Freedman wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Dane and thanks. I'd forgotten about the fact that BBC programmes are now shown in ITunes. Much the easiest and to me the best solution. >>>>> Thanks again. >>>>> >>>>> On 30 Apr 2011, at 00:06, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi! >>>>>> >>>>>> Think someone was talking about playing BBC Radio 4 on list some time ago? Please forgive me if this has been mentioned, wasn't following the thread. >>>>>> >>>>>> I was alerted by someone who uses Itunes for radio listening that all the BBC streams are now in the Itunes radio list so perhaps that may help those wishing to listen to BBC Radio 4. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From w9fyi at mac-access.net Wed May 11 14:42:43 2011 From: w9fyi at mac-access.net (Justin Mann) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 06:42:43 -0700 Subject: bbc in iTunes? Message-ID: <11742FC5-CAEF-4448-AE47-1117ABADA75C@mac-access.net> Anybody else having issues getting say radio 4 hi to play here in the U.S From james.austin at mac-access.net Wed May 11 17:03:55 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 18:03:55 +0200 Subject: I've found a possible solution to the system voice problem when using VoiceOver Message-ID: <888C729E-F1A7-48F0-8E4B-797524604E9D@mac-access.net> Hello everyone, Many of us are aware of the annoying disappearance of the system voice when using VoiceOver. As far as I know, there is no known cause for this. The only work-around that seems to exist at the moment is to use third party solutions. However, when playing this afternoon, I discovered that VoiceOver seems far more stable when sound effects are disabled. I have been able to use Fred so far without any problems. The major drawback to this of course, is that unless you have a Braille Display, certain information, such as when a new webpage has loaded is no longer available as this is linked to a VoiceOver sound effect. You can get around this by enabling "Speak Webpage Summary" in the VoiceOver Utility, but for some, this may be too verbose. I wonder if a similar effect could be achieved by disabling positional audio queues? I'll try that and report back. Just a suggestion for those who wish to try it. TC :) James From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 11 17:07:42 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 17:07:42 +0100 Subject: Safari 5.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <39DBE6BC-6B4E-40B6-844C-665CB63342ED@mac-access.net> Hello Jackie On 10 May 2011, at 08:29, Jackie Cairns wrote: ? Hi Gordon Well, not quite; I'm his other half but maybe I will do as a replier. ;-) ? I have to admit, as a new user, I thought I was having a bad day when I tried using the same version of Safari yesterday, it kept saying "Safari Busy" or "Safari ready", and it was a case of make your mind up time mate? We were just using Safari to search for portable scanners, and it kept doing as you outlined in your message. I thought it was me, perhaps it was! (smile). That's exactly the problem we were getting. Gordon's quite an experienced user and he tried all the usual fixes; clearing the logs, caches, temporary files, purging the virtual memory swap file so that only the active portion remained, all those things. All to no effect. But actually, the reason others have come back with reports that our example site worked for them is because they were only on the main page. you have to click the "Existing Customer" button in order to see our problem page. For that you don't need a password, as the log-in link is part of that page. But with VoiceOver it's giving us horrendous problems. This never used to happen with the previous version of Safari and Gordon is getting so frustrated with the poor overall performance with Safari and sites which heavily utilise Javascript, as this one does, that he's on the point of moving temporarily to browsing with Firefox under Windows until it is addressed. But thank you Jackie for confirming what is happening for you. Lynne Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm at work-ability.co.uk www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith Sent: 09 May 2011 22:38 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression Hi all Is anybody else finding this? Safari 4.05 is a real step back into the dark ages of OSX as far as VoiceOver and I are concerned. The two just don't seem to get along well together at all, Safari and VO I mean. For another example of this, could somebody please try the following website to see if you get the same results as I do? When I tab down or navigate using the VO keys below the "Online Energy" link, all I get is the age-old irritant, "Safari Busy. Safari Busy", repeatedly. Even on the rare occasions when I hear "Safari Ready", a subsequent key press brings me back to "Safari Busy". The website in question this time is and it's causing me horrendous problems since I can't pay our energy bill and, short of the accursed estimated bills, (which I despise), the next alternative is an energy disconnection. Well, it won't come to that, but I refuse to entertain estimated bills either because those bills always, without exception, work out in the company's favour, not yours and it's a devil of a job to get the money they owe you back. I used to use this site just fine under the previous two versions of Safari. But this is another instance of 4.05 being utterly dreadful in terms of its performance with VoiceOver on our systems. For reference, we have all tabs turned off. Only one Safari window open. I know that Apple does do beta testing of its OS releases but I often wonder whether they do same with Safari and other major applications. Anyway, if anybody else could try this website I'd be grateful. Gordon _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.900 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3625 - Release Date: 05/08/11 19:34:00 _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com Wed May 11 17:15:30 2011 From: jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com (Jackie Cairns) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 17:15:30 +0100 Subject: Safari 5.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <39DBE6BC-6B4E-40B6-844C-665CB63342ED@mac-access.net> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <39DBE6BC-6B4E-40B6-844C-665CB63342ED@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Lynne Well if there is a problem with Safari - and quite frankly I haven't been on it since as I've been busy remonstrating with Internet Explorer 9 - Apple will correct the problem quite quickly. I have noticed they are quick to issue an update if there is a problem. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm at work-ability.co.uk www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith Sent: 11 May 2011 17:08 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Safari 5.05 represents a real regression Hello Jackie On 10 May 2011, at 08:29, Jackie Cairns wrote: . Hi Gordon Well, not quite; I'm his other half but maybe I will do as a replier. ;-) . I have to admit, as a new user, I thought I was having a bad day when I tried using the same version of Safari yesterday, it kept saying "Safari Busy" or "Safari ready", and it was a case of make your mind up time mate? We were just using Safari to search for portable scanners, and it kept doing as you outlined in your message. I thought it was me, perhaps it was! (smile). That's exactly the problem we were getting. Gordon's quite an experienced user and he tried all the usual fixes; clearing the logs, caches, temporary files, purging the virtual memory swap file so that only the active portion remained, all those things. All to no effect. But actually, the reason others have come back with reports that our example site worked for them is because they were only on the main page. you have to click the "Existing Customer" button in order to see our problem page. For that you don't need a password, as the log-in link is part of that page. But with VoiceOver it's giving us horrendous problems. This never used to happen with the previous version of Safari and Gordon is getting so frustrated with the poor overall performance with Safari and sites which heavily utilise Javascript, as this one does, that he's on the point of moving temporarily to browsing with Firefox under Windows until it is addressed. But thank you Jackie for confirming what is happening for you. Lynne Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm at work-ability.co.uk www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith Sent: 09 May 2011 22:38 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Safari 4.05 represents a real regression Hi all Is anybody else finding this? Safari 4.05 is a real step back into the dark ages of OSX as far as VoiceOver and I are concerned. The two just don't seem to get along well together at all, Safari and VO I mean. For another example of this, could somebody please try the following website to see if you get the same results as I do? When I tab down or navigate using the VO keys below the "Online Energy" link, all I get is the age-old irritant, "Safari Busy. Safari Busy", repeatedly. Even on the rare occasions when I hear "Safari Ready", a subsequent key press brings me back to "Safari Busy". The website in question this time is and it's causing me horrendous problems since I can't pay our energy bill and, short of the accursed estimated bills, (which I despise), the next alternative is an energy disconnection. Well, it won't come to that, but I refuse to entertain estimated bills either because those bills always, without exception, work out in the company's favour, not yours and it's a devil of a job to get the money they owe you back. I used to use this site just fine under the previous two versions of Safari. But this is another instance of 4.05 being utterly dreadful in terms of its performance with VoiceOver on our systems. For reference, we have all tabs turned off. Only one Safari window open. I know that Apple does do beta testing of its OS releases but I often wonder whether they do same with Safari and other major applications. Anyway, if anybody else could try this website I'd be grateful. Gordon _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.900 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3625 - Release Date: 05/08/11 19:34:00 _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! 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Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 11 17:17:37 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 17:17:37 +0100 Subject: Safari 5.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <394F0E6F-DAB6-465F-9272-13B6B1283BEB@anarchie.org.uk> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <3374AE6F9F7945BA87EA2E9EA8690BAD@HP> <394F0E6F-DAB6-465F-9272-13B6B1283BEB@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <718B10BB-7886-4DF9-9049-4BEE4C73FF0C@mac-access.net> Hello Anne OK; point by point here. On 10 May 2011, at 09:00, Anne Robertson wrote: ? I'm not seeing any of this trouble with the latest version of Safari. In fact, I've never had much trouble with Safari. I don't know what the difference is. It's not as if I have a whole lot of RAM, just 2 gb and I'm running a 4-year-old MacBook. Firstly again, Gordon made an error. He should have said 5.05 and not 4.05. We realise this might have mislead some, and we apologise for the error. I have modified the subject line in the hope that it will prove more helpful. ? I use Safari all the time, doing Google searches and landing on unfamiliar websites while looking for information to help with my translation work. So I'm also working in two languages all the time. It's odd, because on many sites it works fine; I have a hunch this might be flash-related. ? When it comes to the voice, I use Fred as Alex drives me up the wall, and Margaux from Acapela for the French. yes, Gordon can't tolerate Alex for long either, unfortunately. He tends to use Rachel most of the Acapela time; the Acapela British English voice. ? Another thing, I don't run any antivirus software whatsoever. Nor do we on this configuration of OSX. The only thing we run that's related to protection is the OSX firewall. We need to run that as we are not behind a NAT router. We know that some people are paranoid about running firewalls and they do so when there's absolutely no need and no advantage. But in our case it's a necessary thing as we are completely exposed to the Internet without it. Again, I think it's Flash which is causing this problem for us so I'm going to try and find that click to flash plug-in. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 11 17:39:09 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 17:39:09 +0100 Subject: Safari 5.01 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <59FA14A3-7F51-4E32-A2BF-E7EBE967450E@gmail.com> <9710382A-B18C-4003-8551-A8E20B3B0927@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <081367DD-09A0-4D97-95B2-12E4B2FEFE16@mac-access.net> Hello Colin On 10 May 2011, at 16:10, Colin M wrote: ? I've just had a play on the site again! This time I opened links, to look at options! But yet again no bizzy bizzy! You need to press the "Existing Customer button". Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 11 17:41:51 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 17:41:51 +0100 Subject: Safari 5.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <273723D9-2EB8-4398-9D6E-DF9C88587A5D@gmail.com> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <59FA14A3-7F51-4E32-A2BF-E7EBE967450E@gmail.com> <9710382A-B18C-4003-8551-A8E20B3B0927@mac-access.net> <273723D9-2EB8-4398-9D6E-DF9C88587A5D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Sarah On 10 May 2011, at 19:47, Sarah Alawami wrote: ? Hmm I wonder why none of us are having issues with the site? I could as well navigate it flawlessly. Webkit ran like a dream. See my later messages. Lynne Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 10, 2011, at 8:10 AM, Colin M wrote: > Hi Gordon and Lynne! > I've just had a play on the site again! > This time I opened links, to look at options! > But yet again no bizzy bizzy! > Colin > Qapla! > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > > On 10 May 2011, at 15:43, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Nigel >> >> On 10 May 2011, at 01:59, Nigel Rhodes wrote: >> >> ? I'm using Sarafi 5.15 and have no trouble with the site.Hope you're feeling better. >> >> I presume you meant Safari 5.05 which, I believe, is the most current version. Gordon made an error with his version number; but he meant the current version. >> >> We are in the process of doing a lot of system maintenance, cache clearance, log clearance, etc. So we will see if that improves things. >> >> But our problems with that site are consistent. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 11 17:47:44 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 17:47:44 +0100 Subject: Safari 5.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <373C0355-8AA1-4F7A-86D1-6651330E93C8@gmail.com> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <84BE5EBC-3015-4609-95FA-C108CD1F267C@mac-access.net> <5E530E17-CE92-41E3-992B-4D6CD7624BE9@gmail.com> <9D5A544D-80BB-474D-ABFE-4367CC6E721B@mac-access.net> <373C0355-8AA1-4F7A-86D1-6651330E93C8@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Colin Please don't think that was a criticism. It definitely wasn't, just an observation. You're quite right, as Gordon would say at this juncture, "Whatever floats your boat!" Lynne On 11 May 2011, at 11:03, Colin M wrote: Hi Lynne! First thanks for changing the subject heading! I have not got use to using the tab key! As for the rota it's just the way I got use to! I do not know how many people know that in quick nav mode the arrow keys act as the rota! So I can change from headers to links by pressing the up and either the left or right arrow keys to change how I nav! So it's one of those [ what your use to! ] From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 11 17:51:26 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 17:51:26 +0100 Subject: Safari 5.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <9B2C1CD3-008D-4730-BBAD-571070BDD2A1@blueyonder.co.uk> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <84BE5EBC-3015-4609-95FA-C108CD1F267C@mac-access.net> <5E530E17-CE92-41E3-992B-4D6CD7624BE9@gmail.com> <9D5A544D-80BB-474D-ABFE-4367CC6E721B@mac-access.net> <9B2C1CD3-008D-4730-BBAD-571070BDD2A1@blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <870C49AB-B29A-4C40-8526-18B4774C92E0@mac-access.net> hello Chris On 11 May 2011, at 11:11, Chris Moore wrote: ? I must admit, I always use the rota, I very rarely use the hot keys. I guess it is because I started life as a screen reader user on the Mac first and Windows second. Windows users tend to use the tab key and shortcut keys for navigating web pages. As on the Mac I use the rota, as I can then drill down and filter items too, and I also like to use the track pad to move between elements too. Plus I think having to press VO+command+shift + H to move back a heading is a bit of a chore. I guess it must be Gordon's hands or something; but he finds the trackpad commander and the trackpad in Safari a real pain. It never seems to behave as he wants it too and he finds it quicker to use other methods. But one of the good things about VoiceOver is its flexibility; one can generally find ones' preferred methods and use them. There is no right and wrong; if it works for you that's great. Lynne From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Wed May 11 18:11:40 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 18:11:40 +0100 Subject: Safari 5.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <84BE5EBC-3015-4609-95FA-C108CD1F267C@mac-access.net> <5E530E17-CE92-41E3-992B-4D6CD7624BE9@gmail.com> <9D5A544D-80BB-474D-ABFE-4367CC6E721B@mac-access.net> <373C0355-8AA1-4F7A-86D1-6651330E93C8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <780D3E46-3C34-45C6-A69B-72E42C2A8973@gmail.com> Hi Lynne! I never thought it was a criticism. But I've again not put things across well! :] Yes I did also press the existing customer button! I also after that clicked the existing customer link to see what would happen! Still no bizzy! Interesting that flash idea of yours I've not got that installed! My only idea is the shear amount of stuff you've got going on might of hindered that site! So I hope it sorts itself out soon or you find out what coursing it! Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 11 May 2011, at 17:47, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Colin > > Please don't think that was a criticism. It definitely wasn't, just an observation. You're quite right, as Gordon would say at this juncture, "Whatever floats your boat!" > > Lynne > > On 11 May 2011, at 11:03, Colin M wrote: > > Hi Lynne! > First thanks for changing the subject heading! > I have not got use to using the tab key! > As for the rota it's just the way I got use to! > I do not know how many people know that in quick nav mode the arrow keys act as the rota! > So I can change from headers to links by pressing the up and either the left or right arrow keys to change how I nav! > So it's one of those [ what your use to! ] > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Wed May 11 18:41:24 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 19:41:24 +0200 Subject: Safari 5.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <780D3E46-3C34-45C6-A69B-72E42C2A8973@gmail.com> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <84BE5EBC-3015-4609-95FA-C108CD1F267C@mac-access.net> <5E530E17-CE92-41E3-992B-4D6CD7624BE9@gmail.com> <9D5A544D-80BB-474D-ABFE-4367CC6E721B@mac-access.net> <373C0355-8AA1-4F7A-86D1-6651330E93C8@gmail.com> <780D3E46-3C34-45C6-A69B-72E42C2A8973@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DCACA44.2080702@gmail.com> Hi, Firstly, why does people seem to call it "the rota" and not "the roter?" This is very confusing to me. It almost sounds ghetto-ish. Secondly, I personally use the regular VoiceOver keystrokes from Tiger, since I just can't get used to all those new toys. I haven't noticed anything different, but it could theoretically just be the Webkit engine Apple uses now. I'm not sure, but I do recall a slight regression earlier during the nightly builds. A lot of these regressions tend to be because of the engine, and not specifically the actual application. Regards, Nic On 5/11/2011 7:11 PM, Colin M wrote: > Hi Lynne! > I never thought it was a criticism. > But I've again not put things across well! :] > Yes I did also press the existing customer button! > I also after that clicked the existing customer link to see what would happen! > Still no bizzy! > Interesting that flash idea of yours I've not got that installed! > My only idea is the shear amount of stuff you've got going on might of hindered that site! > So I hope it sorts itself out soon or you find out what coursing it! > Colin > Qapla! > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > > On 11 May 2011, at 17:47, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Colin >> >> Please don't think that was a criticism. It definitely wasn't, just an observation. You're quite right, as Gordon would say at this juncture, "Whatever floats your boat!" >> >> Lynne >> >> On 11 May 2011, at 11:03, Colin M wrote: >> >> Hi Lynne! >> First thanks for changing the subject heading! >> I have not got use to using the tab key! >> As for the rota it's just the way I got use to! >> I do not know how many people know that in quick nav mode the arrow keys act as the rota! >> So I can change from headers to links by pressing the up and either the left or right arrow keys to change how I nav! >> So it's one of those [ what your use to! ] >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Wed May 11 20:10:38 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 20:10:38 +0100 Subject: Safari 5.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <4DCACA44.2080702@gmail.com> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <84BE5EBC-3015-4609-95FA-C108CD1F267C@mac-access.net> <5E530E17-CE92-41E3-992B-4D6CD7624BE9@gmail.com> <9D5A544D-80BB-474D-ABFE-4367CC6E721B@mac-access.net> <373C0355-8AA1-4F7A-86D1-6651330E93C8@gmail.com> <780D3E46-3C34-45C6-A69B-72E42C2A8973@gmail.com> <4DCACA44.2080702@gmail.com> Message-ID: <63CA1E46-9E64-4BD0-8EB8-D9D91FBC0D69@gmail.com> Hi Nic! Sorry my English is not great! It should be I've only been using it all my life! hahahahahahaha But I really thought rota was spelt that way! So I'll try to use roter in the future :] But it's funny they sound the same to me! Colin! Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 11 May 2011, at 18:41, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi, > > Firstly, why does people seem to call it "the rota" and not "the roter?" This is very confusing to me. It almost sounds ghetto-ish. > > Secondly, I personally use the regular VoiceOver keystrokes from Tiger, since I just can't get used to all those new toys. I haven't noticed anything different, but it could theoretically just be the Webkit engine Apple uses now. I'm not sure, but I do recall a slight regression earlier during the nightly builds. A lot of these regressions tend to be because of the engine, and not specifically the actual application. > > Regards, > Nic > On 5/11/2011 7:11 PM, Colin M wrote: >> Hi Lynne! >> I never thought it was a criticism. >> But I've again not put things across well! :] >> Yes I did also press the existing customer button! >> I also after that clicked the existing customer link to see what would happen! >> Still no bizzy! >> Interesting that flash idea of yours I've not got that installed! >> My only idea is the shear amount of stuff you've got going on might of hindered that site! >> So I hope it sorts itself out soon or you find out what coursing it! >> Colin >> Qapla! >> Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak >> >> On 11 May 2011, at 17:47, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello Colin >>> >>> Please don't think that was a criticism. It definitely wasn't, just an observation. You're quite right, as Gordon would say at this juncture, "Whatever floats your boat!" >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> On 11 May 2011, at 11:03, Colin M wrote: >>> >>> Hi Lynne! >>> First thanks for changing the subject heading! >>> I have not got use to using the tab key! >>> As for the rota it's just the way I got use to! >>> I do not know how many people know that in quick nav mode the arrow keys act as the rota! >>> So I can change from headers to links by pressing the up and either the left or right arrow keys to change how I nav! >>> So it's one of those [ what your use to! ] >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From anne at anarchie.org.uk Wed May 11 20:26:04 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 21:26:04 +0200 Subject: Safari 5.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <63CA1E46-9E64-4BD0-8EB8-D9D91FBC0D69@gmail.com> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <84BE5EBC-3015-4609-95FA-C108CD1F267C@mac-access.net> <5E530E17-CE92-41E3-992B-4D6CD7624BE9@gmail.com> <9D5A544D-80BB-474D-ABFE-4367CC6E721B@mac-access.net> <373C0355-8AA1-4F7A-86D1-6651330E93C8@gmail.com> <780D3E46-3C34-45C6-A69B-72E42C2A8973@gmail.com> <4DCACA44.2080702@gmail.com> <63CA1E46-9E64-4BD0-8EB8-D9D91FBC0D69@gmail.com> Message-ID: <47DEEA55-5A3A-46EA-B18D-2A38144D55FF@anarchie.org.uk> Hello Colin, Actually, rotor is spelt with O R at the end. It's from the same root as "Rotate". Cheers, Anne On 11 May 2011, at 21:10, Colin M wrote: > Hi Nic! > Sorry my English is not great! > It should be I've only been using it all my life! hahahahahahaha > But I really thought rota was spelt that way! > So I'll try to use roter in the future :] > But it's funny they sound the same to me! > Colin! > Qapla! > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > > On 11 May 2011, at 18:41, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Firstly, why does people seem to call it "the rota" and not "the roter?" This is very confusing to me. It almost sounds ghetto-ish. >> >> Secondly, I personally use the regular VoiceOver keystrokes from Tiger, since I just can't get used to all those new toys. I haven't noticed anything different, but it could theoretically just be the Webkit engine Apple uses now. I'm not sure, but I do recall a slight regression earlier during the nightly builds. A lot of these regressions tend to be because of the engine, and not specifically the actual application. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On 5/11/2011 7:11 PM, Colin M wrote: >>> Hi Lynne! >>> I never thought it was a criticism. >>> But I've again not put things across well! :] >>> Yes I did also press the existing customer button! >>> I also after that clicked the existing customer link to see what would happen! >>> Still no bizzy! >>> Interesting that flash idea of yours I've not got that installed! >>> My only idea is the shear amount of stuff you've got going on might of hindered that site! >>> So I hope it sorts itself out soon or you find out what coursing it! >>> Colin >>> Qapla! >>> Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak >>> >>> On 11 May 2011, at 17:47, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Colin >>>> >>>> Please don't think that was a criticism. It definitely wasn't, just an observation. You're quite right, as Gordon would say at this juncture, "Whatever floats your boat!" >>>> >>>> Lynne >>>> >>>> On 11 May 2011, at 11:03, Colin M wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Lynne! >>>> First thanks for changing the subject heading! >>>> I have not got use to using the tab key! >>>> As for the rota it's just the way I got use to! >>>> I do not know how many people know that in quick nav mode the arrow keys act as the rota! >>>> So I can change from headers to links by pressing the up and either the left or right arrow keys to change how I nav! >>>> So it's one of those [ what your use to! ] >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed May 11 20:51:23 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 12:51:23 -0700 Subject: I've found a possible solution to the system voice problem when using VoiceOver In-Reply-To: <888C729E-F1A7-48F0-8E4B-797524604E9D@mac-access.net> References: <888C729E-F1A7-48F0-8E4B-797524604E9D@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <85B2B894-0B04-4979-B939-762C87EF8ACE@gmail.com> I tried that nd my voice over crashed a lot more I believe. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 11, 2011, at 9:03 AM, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Many of us are aware of the annoying disappearance of the system voice when using VoiceOver. As far as I know, there is no known cause for this. The only work-around that seems to exist at the moment is to use third party solutions. However, when playing this afternoon, I discovered that VoiceOver seems far more stable when sound effects are disabled. I have been able to use Fred so far without any problems. The major drawback to this of course, is that unless you have a Braille Display, certain information, such as when a new webpage has loaded is no longer available as this is linked to a VoiceOver sound effect. You can get around this by enabling "Speak Webpage Summary" in the VoiceOver Utility, but for some, this may be too verbose. I wonder if a similar effect could be achieved by disabling positional audio queues? I'll try that and report back. > > Just a suggestion for those who wish to try it. > > TC :) > James > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed May 11 21:10:21 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 13:10:21 -0700 Subject: Researcher: Microsoft leaves Mac Office users in the lurch Message-ID: Researcher: Microsoft leaves Mac Office users in the lurch Microsoft is telling Mac Office users it doesn't yet have a fix for a PowerPoint bug that it patched for Windows customers. http://bit.ly/kUmR7r From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed May 11 21:11:38 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 13:11:38 -0700 Subject: Google, Apple pressed to remove DUI checkpoint apps Message-ID: Google, Apple pressed to remove DUI checkpoint apps During Tuesday's hearing on location data collection, Senator Charles Schumer of New York renewed his call on Apple and Google to stop offering third-party apps that alert users about DUI checkpoints for their respective mobile platforms. http://bit.ly/lJcDFE From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 11 22:05:06 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 22:05:06 +0100 Subject: Safari 5.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <780D3E46-3C34-45C6-A69B-72E42C2A8973@gmail.com> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <84BE5EBC-3015-4609-95FA-C108CD1F267C@mac-access.net> <5E530E17-CE92-41E3-992B-4D6CD7624BE9@gmail.com> <9D5A544D-80BB-474D-ABFE-4367CC6E721B@mac-access.net> <373C0355-8AA1-4F7A-86D1-6651330E93C8@gmail.com> <780D3E46-3C34-45C6-A69B-72E42C2A8973@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Colin On 11 May 2011, at 18:11, Colin M wrote: ? I never thought it was a criticism. But I've again not put things across well! :] OK; I just wanted to be clear because I constantly find that people misinterpret emails and things get taken out of context. :) ? Yes I did also press the existing customer button! I also after that clicked the existing customer link to see what would happen! Still no bizzy! I'm at a loss then to know why this is happening. But we can repro it 100% ? Interesting that flash idea of yours I've not got that installed! My only idea is the shear amount of stuff you've got going on might of hindered that site! I thought of that, and closed absolutely every visible, (and a few invisible) windows and processes but no difference. We also did a permissions repair and flushed every log and cache. Stumped. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 11 22:19:48 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 22:19:48 +0100 Subject: Safari 5.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <63CA1E46-9E64-4BD0-8EB8-D9D91FBC0D69@gmail.com> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <84BE5EBC-3015-4609-95FA-C108CD1F267C@mac-access.net> <5E530E17-CE92-41E3-992B-4D6CD7624BE9@gmail.com> <9D5A544D-80BB-474D-ABFE-4367CC6E721B@mac-access.net> <373C0355-8AA1-4F7A-86D1-6651330E93C8@gmail.com> <780D3E46-3C34-45C6-A69B-72E42C2A8973@gmail.com> <4DCACA44.2080702@gmail.com> <63CA1E46-9E64-4BD0-8EB8-D9D91FBC0D69@gmail.com> Message-ID: <30108B02-110D-4600-B0EE-56A1BC8289FA@mac-access.net> Hello Colin On 11 May 2011, at 20:10, Colin M wrote: ? Sorry my English is not great! It should be I've only been using it all my life! hahahahahahaha But I really thought rota was spelt that way! So I'll try to use roter in the future :] But it's funny they sound the same to me! Actually, I believe that the spelling in this instance is "R", "O", "T", "O", R". I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I am right. Lynne From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Wed May 11 23:03:40 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 23:03:40 +0100 Subject: Safari 5.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <30108B02-110D-4600-B0EE-56A1BC8289FA@mac-access.net> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <84BE5EBC-3015-4609-95FA-C108CD1F267C@mac-access.net> <5E530E17-CE92-41E3-992B-4D6CD7624BE9@gmail.com> <9D5A544D-80BB-474D-ABFE-4367CC6E721B@mac-access.net> <373C0355-8AA1-4F7A-86D1-6651330E93C8@gmail.com> <780D3E46-3C34-45C6-A69B-72E42C2A8973@gmail.com> <4DCACA44.2080702@gmail.com> <63CA1E46-9E64-4BD0-8EB8-D9D91FBC0D69@gmail.com> <30108B02-110D-4600-B0EE-56A1BC8289FA@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <88D55B15-2563-4723-AEC5-35FB7716758D@gmail.com> Hi Lynne! OK yes it is spelt r o t o r! Ann told me as well! But back to your problem! I do not know if this will work for you or not! This has been suggested either on this list or the other one! Some people having a similar problem on other sites like facebook have said turning off vo [command+f5 ] then back on whilst on the bizzy thing stops it! And I think one of them also said they refreshed the page before restarting vo! So you and Gordon have a good night! Colin On 11 May 2011, at 22:19, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Colin > > On 11 May 2011, at 20:10, Colin M wrote: > > ? Sorry my English is not great! > It should be I've only been using it all my life! hahahahahahaha > But I really thought rota was spelt that way! > So I'll try to use roter in the future :] > But it's funny they sound the same to me! > > Actually, I believe that the spelling in this instance is "R", "O", "T", "O", R". I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I am right. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Wed May 11 23:07:13 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 23:07:13 +0100 Subject: Online Backup Message-ID: <249C92BC-CFD1-4B27-9BD1-DE0378E58459@mac-access.net> Hello everybody This has been mentioned to us by listers several times. So i'm just going to sneak break our rules once and ask this question. Please reply to this off list, not on, if you are interested or have questions. Gordon and I are working right now on an "Online Backup" service solution. Is anybody interested? Please, again, reply off list. We are still working on the details but it will be a heck of a lot cheaper than Droop Box or Send Space. If anybody replies to this thread on list it will be ignored. Thank you. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 11 23:09:35 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 23:09:35 +0100 Subject: Safari 5.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <88D55B15-2563-4723-AEC5-35FB7716758D@gmail.com> References: <2A4BBD26-2212-46CC-82DB-DE959C9CC730@mac-access.net> <84BE5EBC-3015-4609-95FA-C108CD1F267C@mac-access.net> <5E530E17-CE92-41E3-992B-4D6CD7624BE9@gmail.com> <9D5A544D-80BB-474D-ABFE-4367CC6E721B@mac-access.net> <373C0355-8AA1-4F7A-86D1-6651330E93C8@gmail.com> <780D3E46-3C34-45C6-A69B-72E42C2A8973@gmail.com> <4DCACA44.2080702@gmail.com> <63CA1E46-9E64-4BD0-8EB8-D9D91FBC0D69@gmail.com> <30108B02-110D-4600-B0EE-56A1BC8289FA@mac-access.net> <88D55B15-2563-4723-AEC5-35FB7716758D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1357AA8D-07D4-40D5-BF79-C86886172464@mac-access.net> Hello Colin On 11 May 2011, at 23:03, Colin M wrote: ? Some people having a similar problem on other sites like facebook have said turning off vo [command+f5 ] then back on whilst on the bizzy thing stops it! And I think one of them also said they refreshed the page before restarting vo! Nope, first thing we tried Colin, even before Gordon mentioned it on list. :) Lynne From lmumford at uga.edu Thu May 12 01:37:44 2011 From: lmumford at uga.edu (Linda Mumford) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 00:37:44 +0000 Subject: Success with Command+F5 [was Re: Help! My computer won' ttalk Message-ID: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283007E5B305@CH1PRD0202MB109.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> Thanks Esther for your detailed explanation about the expos and how to uncheck them. I am trying to learn how to use the mac on my own and I must say it is frustrating and confusing. The getting started guide, voice over tutorial, and other help menus either seem overly simplified or overly complicated. For instance, I am totally overwhelmed trying to understand how to do basic navigating and whether or not there is any rhyem or reason as t when to use just the arrow keys, when o use VO plus arrow keys, when to use the shift plus VO plus down arrow key to enter something versus just being able to use the VO plus arrow keys or the arrow keys alone. Then it seems that sometimes I can open up an application by pressing VO plus space bar. Other times t seems I have to select it first by hitting the VO plus space bar and then hit the VO plus space bar to open it up. This all seems so much more complicated and inefficient compared to the way I used to navigate windows with Jaws. Am I doing something wrong? Thanks, Linda From lmumford at uga.edu Thu May 12 01:49:01 2011 From: lmumford at uga.edu (Linda Mumford) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 00:49:01 +0000 Subject: character echo Message-ID: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283007E5B310@CH1PRD0202MB109.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> Another question from this Mac newbie. Is there any way I can set voice over so that I always hear a character echo when I press a key . It does give me a character echo when I'm typing in a text field, but I'd also like it to give me a character echo when I'm attempting to navigate in general, so that I can make sure I'm actually hitting the key I wanted to. Thanks, Linda From tsiegel at softcon.com Thu May 12 04:19:26 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 22:19:26 -0500 Subject: Success with Command+F5 [was Re: Help! My computer won' ttalk In-Reply-To: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283007E5B305@CH1PRD0202MB109.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> References: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283007E5B305@CH1PRD0202MB109.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <54DD9126-1493-42CD-92ED-595A53816645@softcon.com> Linda, if you don't have it set in vo preferences already, you may want to check the boxes in the navigation tab that tells the mouse cursor to follow the vo cursor. This may solve your needing to press vo-space twice. Another method you can use to open programs/files in osx is to use the command-o key combination, that works just as well. If you have a keyboard with a full keypad on it, you can use the numpad commander as well for navigation, and with that, it's possible to assign functions to keys of your choice, so you won't have to worry about such things. hth. From moriond at mac.com Thu May 12 06:08:11 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 19:08:11 -1000 Subject: bbc in iTunes? In-Reply-To: <11742FC5-CAEF-4448-AE47-1117ABADA75C@mac-access.net> References: <11742FC5-CAEF-4448-AE47-1117ABADA75C@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <3070D5A4-3F53-4B8B-AFF1-DF4F15D4323B@mac.com> Hi Justin, On May 11, 2011, at 03:42, Justin Mann wrote: > Anybody else having issues getting say radio 4 hi to play here in the U.S Yes, right now BBC Radio 4 High doesn't seem to play in the U.S., but BBC Radio 4 LW High does. This is another 128 kbps streaming option in HE-AAC format. I'm not sure what that really means for streaming format, except to indicate the source format (if you were to download), but functionally this is just like listening to the high bit rate (128 kbps) version of BBC Radio 4. D?nal, you asked about getting BBC radio streams on the iPad. Don't you have any of the iOS radio apps that stream BBC Radio? I'd use ooTunes myself here. Cheers, Esther From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Thu May 12 09:27:46 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 09:27:46 +0100 Subject: character echo In-Reply-To: <5B0F74C6AB1641409F0BE12890F9283007E5B310@CH1PRD0202MB109.namprd02.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <4dcb9a05.4b1be30a.23bf.3271@mx.google.com> Hi Linda. I'm not sure if you can get VoiceOver to do what you ask...I've never seen anything in the settings that enables VoieOver to speak keys when pressed in general navigation. Maybe someone else may have the answer? Sorry I can't be of more help. Very best regards. Lewis Crack. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Linda Mumford Sent: 12 May 2011 01:49 To: mac-access at mac-access.net Subject: character echo Another question from this Mac newbie. Is there any way I can set voice over so that I always hear a character echo when I press a key . It does give me a character echo when I'm typing in a text field, but I'd also like it to give me a character echo when I'm attempting to navigate in general, so that I can make sure I'm actually hitting the key I wanted to. Thanks, Linda _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu May 12 09:28:38 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 09:28:38 +0100 Subject: bbc in iTunes? In-Reply-To: <3070D5A4-3F53-4B8B-AFF1-DF4F15D4323B@mac.com> References: <11742FC5-CAEF-4448-AE47-1117ABADA75C@mac-access.net> <3070D5A4-3F53-4B8B-AFF1-DF4F15D4323B@mac.com> Message-ID: <7C6DC991-4CBC-4CB3-B11F-EF9812C7B5B8@computing.dcu.ie> Yes Indeed I do Esther I use Tune-in mainly because it covers some Irish stations I like. Problem with it is that there is a serious serious lag between the Tune in stream and the live stream. To give an example: On Sunday I was listening to a rather important football match while my dad and wife were watching on TV. The Tune in stream was so far behind that I eventually got the laptop and tuned in via the BBC website. Shame really as it would be a very handy thing to bring to games. D?nal On 12 May 2011, at 06:08, Esther wrote: > Hi Justin, > > On May 11, 2011, at 03:42, Justin Mann wrote: > >> Anybody else having issues getting say radio 4 hi to play here in the U.S > Yes, right now BBC Radio 4 High doesn't seem to play in the U.S., but BBC Radio 4 LW High does. This is another 128 kbps streaming option in HE-AAC format. I'm not sure what that really means for streaming format, except to indicate the source format (if you were to download), but functionally this is just like listening to the high bit rate (128 kbps) version of BBC Radio 4. D?nal, you asked about getting BBC radio streams on the iPad. Don't you have any of the iOS radio apps that stream BBC Radio? I'd use ooTunes myself here. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From gordonkeen at googlemail.com Thu May 12 10:27:43 2011 From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 10:27:43 +0100 Subject: 10 Coolest Keyboard Shortcuts You Never Knew About | Mac|Life Message-ID: <931D2796-0B97-457D-B9F9-0F19D3DCEA1F@googlemail.com> Hi One or two here I didn't know about or had forgotten :-) http://www.maclife.com/article/features/10_coolest_keyboard_shortcuts_you_never_knew_about Cheers G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. Catch the buzz at http://www.bridgerule.co.uk From weavermicha at googlemail.com Thu May 12 11:36:02 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 11:36:02 +0100 Subject: deleting something from the doc Message-ID: <4dcbb5f5.0d26e30a.476c.3b5b@mx.google.com> i added something to my doc on the mac. i added an application that i wanted. however i added something to the doc which i didn't intend and now i have something on the doc called selector or something from when i tried adding my application from the applications folder. i have tried going on the mistaken item and pressing command, shift m and various other options but not the voiceover keys plus m which i know brings up the apple menu but i don't think i am pressing the correct keystrokes for removing the unwanted item from the doc. From harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk Thu May 12 13:27:50 2011 From: harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk (Ian Harrison) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 13:27:50 +0100 Subject: Online Backup In-Reply-To: <249C92BC-CFD1-4B27-9BD1-DE0378E58459@mac-access.net> References: <249C92BC-CFD1-4B27-9BD1-DE0378E58459@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <475E722F-F7F6-4076-9203-BD31BBD94C8E@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Hi Yes I am interested in finding a large bak up solution. regards Ian On 11 May 2011, at 23:07, Gordon & Lynne Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > This has been mentioned to us by listers several times. So i'm just going to sneak break our rules once and ask this question. Please reply to this off list, not on, if you are interested or have questions. > > Gordon and I are working right now on an "Online Backup" service solution. Is anybody interested? > > Please, again, reply off list. We are still working on the details but it will be a heck of a lot cheaper than Droop Box or Send Space. > > If anybody replies to this thread on list it will be ignored. > > Thank you. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordonkeen at googlemail.com Thu May 12 14:45:39 2011 From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 14:45:39 +0100 Subject: Even more keyboard short cuts... Message-ID: <7094AD4E-9600-45F3-ABE7-993CDB052501@googlemail.com> Hi I highly recommend newcomers keep this page book marked, it could save your sanity. :-) http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1343 Regards G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. Catch the buzz at http://www.bridgerule.co.uk From jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com Thu May 12 15:25:45 2011 From: jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com (Jackie Cairns) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:25:45 +0100 Subject: Even more keyboard short cuts... In-Reply-To: <7094AD4E-9600-45F3-ABE7-993CDB052501@googlemail.com> References: <7094AD4E-9600-45F3-ABE7-993CDB052501@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <66ED4266E6DF4A2EBAFF2A61746EA54C@HP> Thanks G, not going too mad with this at present, but perhaps the link you posted will save me! (smile). Thanks very much for that. Any more treats like this one please? Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm at work-ability.co.uk www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Keen Sent: 12 May 2011 14:46 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Even more keyboard short cuts... Hi I highly recommend newcomers keep this page book marked, it could save your sanity. :-) http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1343 Regards G >From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. Catch the buzz at http://www.bridgerule.co.uk _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Thu May 12 16:01:48 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:01:48 +0100 Subject: not downloading Message-ID: why is bbc iplayer downloader for the mac download a program like the apprentice when I click it From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Thu May 12 16:09:08 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:09:08 +0100 Subject: how use iplayer now Message-ID: hi how can i get to the video controls on the bbc iplayer now in safari if i can't use the downloader program anyone know? this is rediculous again why mac should support flash or at least adobe should be if they are on windows From tsiegel at softcon.com Thu May 12 16:32:27 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 10:32:27 -0500 Subject: character echo In-Reply-To: <4dcb9a05.4b1be30a.23bf.3271@mx.google.com> References: <4dcb9a05.4b1be30a.23bf.3271@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0BCB5074-1AB4-46BA-B1E2-845BCF3B5DF2@softcon.com> Not all keys, but there is an option to speak control, option, command, and shift when pressed. I'm not sure exactly where it is, but it was helpful to have that on when I was first using the mac. I've have long since turned it off, but perhaps it would help Linda if she could find it. It's just a checkbox, probably under keyboard, but as I said, not sure, so just hunt around a bit and you'll likely find it. I can't check, as I don't have a snowleopard machine at the moment, using my old mac mini with tiger on it until I can get my other mini fixed. From gordonkeen at googlemail.com Thu May 12 16:35:51 2011 From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:35:51 +0100 Subject: Recommendations was: even more keyboard shortcuts In-Reply-To: <66ED4266E6DF4A2EBAFF2A61746EA54C@HP> References: <7094AD4E-9600-45F3-ABE7-993CDB052501@googlemail.com> <66ED4266E6DF4A2EBAFF2A61746EA54C@HP> Message-ID: <28419F27-F6AA-4ED6-BF44-88DA2FC840C5@googlemail.com> Hi Jacky The best recommendation I can give is, keep using this great list! (claim for commission payment on it's way to list owner ) There are other lists out there but none so informative and with such helpful members ( kerching ) . Next step...go check out the list web site too. (kerching ) Right enough blatant buttering up, time for my cup of green tea and a ginger nut biscuit. G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. Catch the buzz at http://www.bridgerule.co.uk On 12 May 2011, at 15:25, Jackie Cairns wrote: > Thanks G, not going too mad with this at present, but perhaps the link you > posted will save me! (smile). > > Thanks very much for that. Any more treats like this one please? > > From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Thu May 12 16:50:01 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:50:01 +0100 Subject: character echo In-Reply-To: <0BCB5074-1AB4-46BA-B1E2-845BCF3B5DF2@softcon.com> References: <4dcb9a05.4b1be30a.23bf.3271@mx.google.com> <0BCB5074-1AB4-46BA-B1E2-845BCF3B5DF2@softcon.com> Message-ID: Hi there! Linda you'll find that check box in vo utility [ vo+f8 ] interact with the table of categories and go to verbosity, then stop interacting and select the announcements tab then scroll to the speak modifier keys and select it if you want too! :] Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak On 12 May 2011, at 16:32, Travis Siegel wrote: > Not all keys, but there is an option to speak control, option, command, and shift when pressed. I'm not sure exactly where it is, but it was helpful to have that on when I was first using the mac. I've have long since turned it off, but perhaps it would help Linda if she could find it. > It's just a checkbox, probably under keyboard, but as I said, not sure, so just hunt around a bit and you'll likely find it. > I can't check, as I don't have a snowleopard machine at the moment, using my old mac mini with tiger on it until I can get my other mini fixed. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lavendar at bell.net Thu May 12 20:53:25 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:53:25 -0400 Subject: Mac Security In-Reply-To: <73CC2748-B638-4D7B-BE6A-B26392DFAD6A@mac-access.net> References: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> <20110503032852.77E6.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <007B8692-D196-4E28-B57D-C3C88F6A70F2@mac-access.net> <73CC2748-B638-4D7B-BE6A-B26392DFAD6A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: thanks Lynn. I'll definitely check this out! Cait On May 4, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Cait > > On 4 May 2011, at 14:41, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > > thanks for this hint. what would be a better choice, if we decided to use anything-the protect mac thing that was suggested, or something else? I don't want overkill, and we don't go to suspicious type places, do dumb things with email, etc, anyway. what we do do is use send space a lot to share movies with people(some of you probably know about this). > > If you want to keep your Mac free of spyware, I suggest MacScan 2.8 which you can find at . > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lavendar at bell.net Thu May 12 20:58:34 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:58:34 -0400 Subject: Mac Security In-Reply-To: References: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> <20110503032852.77E6.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <007B8692-D196-4E28-B57D-C3C88F6A70F2@mac-access.net> <73CC2748-B638-4D7B-BE6A-B26392DFAD6A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Thanks Ian. I'll look at this one too. Cait On May 4, 2011, at 10:49 AM, Ian Robinson wrote: > Hi Caitlyn, > > Another anti virus option is Sophos, available free from: > http://www.sophos.com/en-us/products/free-tools.aspx > > Regards. > > Ian > > On 4 May 2011, at 15:30, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Cait >> >> On 4 May 2011, at 14:41, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >> >> thanks for this hint. what would be a better choice, if we decided to use anything-the protect mac thing that was suggested, or something else? I don't want overkill, and we don't go to suspicious type places, do dumb things with email, etc, anyway. what we do do is use send space a lot to share movies with people(some of you probably know about this). >> >> If you want to keep your Mac free of spyware, I suggest MacScan 2.8 which you can find at . >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lavendar at bell.net Thu May 12 21:08:10 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:08:10 -0400 Subject: antivirus for the mac, link Nick provided.. In-Reply-To: References: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> <20110503032852.77E6.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <007B8692-D196-4E28-B57D-C3C88F6A70F2@mac-access.net> <0LKO003ETUHFR550@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: I got ap trap today, works similarly to these you guys mentioned. thanks for these suggestions, too. Cait On May 4, 2011, at 4:39 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Ah I use trashme. it is a wonderful program and probably works the same way. you del an app and it sks if you want to remove all files with it. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 4, 2011, at 1:34 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: > >> Hello. Have looked at one of the Take Control books, and they recommend CleanApp as an uninstaller. Hope this helps. >> >> Matthew Chao >> >> At 09:41 AM 5/4/2011, you wrote: >>> Lynn, >>> >>> thanks for this hint. what would be a better choice, if we decided to use anything-the protect mac thing that was suggested, or something else? I don't want overkill, and we don't go to suspicious type places, do dumb things with email, etc, anyway. what we do do is use send space a lot to share movies with people(some of you probably know about this). >>> >>> Thanks for any advice, >>> Cait >>> >>> On May 3, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Cait >>>> >>>> On 3 May 2011, at 18:13, Caitlyn Furness wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks! I don't mind paying for something if it works, and is accessable. >>>> >>>> Eset is a bit of a joke for the Mac. They miss most of the security threats anyway. >>>> >>>> We are trying to figure out how to uninstall the dar n thing as it is a system resource hogger. >>>> >>>> >>>> Lynne >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6093 (20110504) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu May 12 21:09:08 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 06:09:08 +1000 Subject: Scrivener Message-ID: <5BA1C62B-DE01-4718-9467-F6C14952E7FF@internode.on.net> Hi! Anyone tried this writing tool? http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.php Only had a quick glance at it after just downloading it and have been pleasantly surprised by what I've seen thus far, all tables, buttons and toolbars are perfectly accessible with Voiceover. My interest in this software was aroused by the latest email I received from the publishers of the Take Control series who have published a book on Scriverner which is a writing tool. From lavendar at bell.net Thu May 12 21:10:29 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:10:29 -0400 Subject: reverting back to old safari In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: thanks for this link, Sara. Safari is behaving itself again, but I'm going to go get web kit just in case. lol! Never can tell, right? Does anybody know if opera is accessable? I was reading about it in Mac World today as an alternative to Safari...? thanks, Cait On May 4, 2011, at 5:40 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Use webkit. I have not used safari in over 6 month now lol! > > http://webkit.org. > > Take care. > > if you want to revert go to your time machine and search for an older copy and move it back to the apps folder. I hope that works. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 4, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > >> How to do you go back to the older version of safari? The newer version is always saying busy all the time, and lots of pages I go to are virtually unuseable now. This is totally annoying! >> >> I am going to write apple about this, as if it'll do any good. >> >> Cait, having a hissy fit today, between this and my vm problems >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com Thu May 12 21:16:02 2011 From: jackie.cairnsplace at btinternet.com (Jackie Cairns) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 21:16:02 +0100 Subject: Recommendations was: even more keyboard shortcuts In-Reply-To: <28419F27-F6AA-4ED6-BF44-88DA2FC840C5@googlemail.com> References: <7094AD4E-9600-45F3-ABE7-993CDB052501@googlemail.com><66ED4266E6DF4A2EBAFF2A61746EA54C@HP> <28419F27-F6AA-4ED6-BF44-88DA2FC840C5@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <251760D5DBE641559A62A0542B0EC532@HP> Oh so you like green tea do you? Martin introduced me to it, and I never have ordinary any more. Soya milk is great too, and much better for you than the stuff from those old cows down your way!! (big smile). Yes it's a well run list. Kind Regards, Jackie Cairns J&M Work-Ability jandm at work-ability.co.uk www.work-ability.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Keen Sent: 12 May 2011 16:36 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Recommendations was: even more keyboard shortcuts Hi Jacky The best recommendation I can give is, keep using this great list! (claim for commission payment on it's way to list owner ) There are other lists out there but none so informative and with such helpful members ( kerching ) . Next step...go check out the list web site too. (kerching ) Right enough blatant buttering up, time for my cup of green tea and a ginger nut biscuit. G >From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. Catch the buzz at http://www.bridgerule.co.uk On 12 May 2011, at 15:25, Jackie Cairns wrote: > Thanks G, not going too mad with this at present, but perhaps the link > you posted will save me! (smile). > > Thanks very much for that. Any more treats like this one please? > > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From support at mac-access.net Thu May 12 21:21:32 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 21:21:32 +0100 Subject: New Take Control Book Available Now From Mac Access Dot Net Message-ID: This new book is now available from Mac Access Dot Net: Are you a writer? Do you want to write but have trouble getting started? Either way, Literature & Latte's award-winning writers' software, Scrivener, has the tools you need to create your masterpiece. To help you start on the right foot with Scrivener and make the most of its capabilities, you can now read friendly, how-to guidance from Kirk McElhearn in his new ebook, "Take Control of Scrivener 2." After many years of wrestling with long documents in Microsoft Word (and more recently in Apple's Pages), working on "Take Control of Scrivener 2" was fascinating, because it was our first exposure to a product designed to support the way real writers work. The process of creating a long document - whether a novel, thesis, screenplay, or non-fiction book - may be messy, non-linear, and full of experimentation. Or it may be a linear task, where the words flow smoothly from mind to page. Either way, Scrivener enables writers to revel in the creative process while helping them find the best way to assemble their content in a single long document. These capabilities have earned Scrivener a pile of awards in the last few years, and it is currently among the top apps on the Mac App Store. In the 105-page "Take Control of Scrivener 2," Kirk walks you through using Scrivener to create and manage a writing project. You'll learn how to use Scrivener's Binder, Outliner, and Corkboard to develop characters and settings, collect and organize research materials, and arrange your writing. Kirk explains how to keep yourself on track by composing in Scrivener's Full Screen mode and by setting daily progress targets, all on the way to producing a polished, submission-ready manuscript. The ebook also features testimonials from a number of published authors - including David Hewson, James Fallows, Jason Snell, Jeff Abbott, and Michael Marshall Smith - highlighting the features in Scrivener that they find most useful. "Take Control of Scrivener 2" was created in collaboration with Literature & Latte, with Scrivener's developers participating in our development and editing process. It's available now We have this book ready for purchase if you're interested, and the discount price is just ?1.30 as opposed to the full price of ?6.49 GBP. Reduced from $10.00 U.S., to just $2.00 U.S. Lynne From tsiegel at softcon.com Thu May 12 21:21:41 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:21:41 -0500 Subject: reverting back to old safari In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3EE3D8B7-1E4A-40F9-AD3F-83059622D138@softcon.com> Opera is not accessible with voiceover. My wife uses it sometimes, and when I need touse her laptop to do stuff afterwords, I always have to close opera and open safari, or shiira. From grandtheogonist at googlemail.com Thu May 12 21:25:02 2011 From: grandtheogonist at googlemail.com (Karl) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 21:25:02 +0100 Subject: Scrivener 2 Message-ID: <21B6DA8D7B694BB4933E37830949A332@samsungnc10> Hi all, Does anyone use this program and what is the accessibility like? Appreciate any feedback. Regards Karl From annieskovnielsen at gmail.com Thu May 12 17:19:42 2011 From: annieskovnielsen at gmail.com (Annie Skov Nielsen) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 18:19:42 +0200 Subject: Kobo for the IPad more accessible. Message-ID: Hi. It seems as if kobo for the IPad is more accessible now, as it was before. But I still have some problems, maybe one of you experts, will confirm that. Is the page scrolling in the section page transition missing? It is the best way you can navigate page by page. Or can you do something else, that I am not aware of. Can you get the bookmarks to work. Best regards Annie. From support at mac-access.net Thu May 12 21:37:33 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 21:37:33 +0100 Subject: New Member Welcome Message-ID: <3A1033FC-3345-4D40-ACF9-FC078B74F49E@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Please do not reply to this thread on list unless your reply has a direct relevance to their Mac use or interest. It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome Jeremy Brown to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but have a keen interest. We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope this clarifies the position. If you have any list-related queries, please do not hesitate to contact either Gordon and myself, (the list owners), at , or one of our very capable assistant list controllers; Anne Robertson, or James Austin, and we will be happy to help you. Once again, a very warm welcome to the group. We hope you find your membership an enjoyable experience. Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu May 12 21:50:58 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 13:50:58 -0700 Subject: 10 Coolest Keyboard Shortcuts You Never Knew About | Mac|Life In-Reply-To: <931D2796-0B97-457D-B9F9-0F19D3DCEA1F@googlemail.com> References: <931D2796-0B97-457D-B9F9-0F19D3DCEA1F@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <6E036ED9-0E9B-49EC-8B92-64C41186430E@gmail.com> One correction to that article. These keyboard shortcuts are used to navigate around the Finder. To open the Applications folder on your Mac, press Command + Shift + A in an opened Finder window; press Command + Shift + U to open the Utilities folder; and, press Command + Shift + D to open your Desktop folder in the Finder. These keyboard shortcuts can also be used when in an opened save dialog to navigate to these folders. Nope. I cannot hit cmd shift a u or d or o when saving a document in an application. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 12, 2011, at 2:27 AM, Gordon Keen wrote: > Hi > > One or two here I didn't know about or had forgotten :-) > > http://www.maclife.com/article/features/10_coolest_keyboard_shortcuts_you_never_knew_about > > Cheers > > G > From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. > Catch the buzz at http://www.bridgerule.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From orin8722 at gmail.com Thu May 12 22:17:35 2011 From: orin8722 at gmail.com (Orin) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:17:35 -0400 Subject: New Take Control Book Available Now From Mac Access Dot Net In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6F020629-D52A-4FCC-A3F2-041B6F7FF290@gmail.com> Hmm. Wonder if Scrivener is accessible. If not, StoryMill is pretty good and does the same thing, it's just simpler IMO. Orin orin8722 at gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 On May 12, 2011, at 4:21 PM, Gordon & Lynne Smith wrote: > This new book is now available from Mac Access Dot Net: > > Are you a writer? Do you want to write but have trouble getting started? Either way, Literature & Latte's award-winning writers' software, Scrivener, has the tools you need to create your masterpiece. To help you start on the right foot with Scrivener and make the most of its capabilities, you can now read friendly, how-to guidance from Kirk McElhearn in his new ebook, "Take Control of Scrivener 2." > > After many years of wrestling with long documents in Microsoft Word (and more recently in Apple's Pages), working on "Take Control of Scrivener 2" was fascinating, because it was our first exposure to a product designed to support the way real writers work. The process of creating a long document - whether a novel, thesis, screenplay, or non-fiction book - may be messy, non-linear, and full of experimentation. Or it may be a linear task, where the words flow smoothly from mind to page. Either way, Scrivener enables writers to revel in the creative process while helping them find the best way to assemble their content in a single long document. These capabilities have earned Scrivener a pile of awards in the last few years, and it is currently among the top apps on the Mac App Store. > > In the 105-page "Take Control of Scrivener 2," Kirk walks you through using Scrivener to create and manage a writing project. You'll learn how to use Scrivener's Binder, Outliner, and Corkboard to develop characters and settings, collect and organize research materials, and arrange your writing. Kirk explains how to keep yourself on track by composing in Scrivener's Full Screen mode and by setting daily progress targets, all on the way to producing a polished, submission-ready manuscript. > > The ebook also features testimonials from a number of published authors - including David Hewson, James Fallows, Jason Snell, Jeff Abbott, and Michael Marshall Smith - highlighting the features in Scrivener that they find most useful. > > "Take Control of Scrivener 2" was created in collaboration with Literature & Latte, with Scrivener's developers participating in our development and editing process. It's available now > > We have this book ready for purchase if you're interested, and the discount price is just ?1.30 as opposed to the full price of ?6.49 GBP. Reduced from $10.00 U.S., to just $2.00 U.S. > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From orin8722 at gmail.com Thu May 12 22:18:40 2011 From: orin8722 at gmail.com (Orin) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:18:40 -0400 Subject: Scrivener In-Reply-To: <5BA1C62B-DE01-4718-9467-F6C14952E7FF@internode.on.net> References: <5BA1C62B-DE01-4718-9467-F6C14952E7FF@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Ah, interesting, will have to give it a look, although I've been impressed with SM and it's scenes feature, which recently became accessible. Orin orin8722 at gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 On May 12, 2011, at 4:09 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > Anyone tried this writing tool? http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.php > > Only had a quick glance at it after just downloading it and have been pleasantly surprised by what I've seen thus far, all tables, buttons and toolbars are perfectly accessible with Voiceover. > > My interest in this software was aroused by the latest email I received from the publishers of the Take Control series who have published a book on Scriverner which is a writing tool. > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Thu May 12 22:45:55 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 11:45:55 -1000 Subject: 10 Coolest Keyboard Shortcuts You Never Knew About | Mac|Life In-Reply-To: <6E036ED9-0E9B-49EC-8B92-64C41186430E@gmail.com> References: <931D2796-0B97-457D-B9F9-0F19D3DCEA1F@googlemail.com> <6E036ED9-0E9B-49EC-8B92-64C41186430E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <29E4A934-720B-4489-99F5-92D1A6C31688@mac.com> Hi Sarah, In most instances I can use the Finder keyboard shortcuts (Command-Shift-H, Command-Shift-A, Command-Shift-U, Command-Shift-D) to select a directory for saving a document in an application's dialog window. When I can't, Command-Shift-G usually works, and I can type in the path to the folder I want to go to, which can be on an external device. This assumes, of course, that the shortcuts you're using do not conflict with keyboard shortcuts assigned for that application. For which applications are you finding these shortcuts do not work? I just tested a few (TextEdit, Pages, Amadeus Pro, Preview, etc.) using the "save as" option (Command-Shift-A). (I don't really want to save text or music to the Applications or Utilities folders, but the shortcuts do work). HTH. Cheers, Esther On May 12, 2011, at 10:50, Sarah Alawami wrote: > One correction to that article. > > These keyboard shortcuts are used to navigate around the Finder. To open the Applications folder on your Mac, press Command + Shift + A in an opened Finder window; press Command + Shift + U to open the Utilities folder; and, press Command + Shift + D to open your Desktop folder in the Finder. These keyboard shortcuts can also be used when in an opened save dialog to navigate to these folders. > > Nope. I cannot hit cmd shift a u or d or o when saving a document in an application. > > Take care. > > > > > Sarah Alawami From lynne at mac-access.net Thu May 12 23:35:31 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 23:35:31 +0100 Subject: Online Backup In-Reply-To: <475E722F-F7F6-4076-9203-BD31BBD94C8E@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> References: <249C92BC-CFD1-4B27-9BD1-DE0378E58459@mac-access.net> <475E722F-F7F6-4076-9203-BD31BBD94C8E@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <81CAFFAC-142E-4953-8480-E7576C50585A@mac-access.net> Ian I did say that replies on list will be ignored. I'm sorry; but we have to be scrupulous about this kind of thing. So if you want your interest registered, please contact . I have taken no action regarding the below. There are technical reasons for this. Lynne On 12 May 2011, at 13:27, Ian Harrison wrote: Hi Yes I am interested in finding a large bak up solution. From lynne at mac-access.net Thu May 12 23:41:28 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 23:41:28 +0100 Subject: Mac Security In-Reply-To: References: <8C0D3497-0D0B-4174-81A9-486DF687ED88@gmail.com> <20110503032852.77E6.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <007B8692-D196-4E28-B57D-C3C88F6A70F2@mac-access.net> <73CC2748-B638-4D7B-BE6A-B26392DFAD6A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <392EC7A6-5724-486D-86CA-20DD7CAFE59F@mac-access.net> Hello Cait On 12 May 2011, at 20:53, Caitlyn Furness wrote: thanks Lynn. I'll definitely check this out! My apologies for the error in the URL. It should have been Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu May 12 23:55:00 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 15:55:00 -0700 Subject: 10 Coolest Keyboard Shortcuts You Never Knew About | Mac|Life In-Reply-To: <29E4A934-720B-4489-99F5-92D1A6C31688@mac.com> References: <931D2796-0B97-457D-B9F9-0F19D3DCEA1F@googlemail.com> <6E036ED9-0E9B-49EC-8B92-64C41186430E@gmail.com> <29E4A934-720B-4489-99F5-92D1A6C31688@mac.com> Message-ID: <86CD7406-90B9-4130-A940-EC3640631A5B@gmail.com> Text edit amadeus pro and vlc and itunes also cog and all other applications that require a save as. I get a ding. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 12, 2011, at 2:45 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Sarah, > > In most instances I can use the Finder keyboard shortcuts (Command-Shift-H, Command-Shift-A, Command-Shift-U, Command-Shift-D) to select a directory for saving a document in an application's dialog window. When I can't, Command-Shift-G usually works, and I can type in the path to the folder I want to go to, which can be on an external device. This assumes, of course, that the shortcuts you're using do not conflict with keyboard shortcuts assigned for that application. For which applications are you finding these shortcuts do not work? I just tested a few (TextEdit, Pages, Amadeus Pro, Preview, etc.) using the "save as" option (Command-Shift-A). (I don't really want to save text or music to the Applications or Utilities folders, but the shortcuts do work). > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On May 12, 2011, at 10:50, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> One correction to that article. >> >> These keyboard shortcuts are used to navigate around the Finder. To open the Applications folder on your Mac, press Command + Shift + A in an opened Finder window; press Command + Shift + U to open the Utilities folder; and, press Command + Shift + D to open your Desktop folder in the Finder. These keyboard shortcuts can also be used when in an opened save dialog to navigate to these folders. >> >> Nope. I cannot hit cmd shift a u or d or o when saving a document in an application. >> >> Take care. >> >> >> >> >> Sarah Alawami > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 13 00:00:48 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 00:00:48 +0100 Subject: Scrivener In-Reply-To: <5BA1C62B-DE01-4718-9467-F6C14952E7FF@internode.on.net> References: <5BA1C62B-DE01-4718-9467-F6C14952E7FF@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <9B0A65D3-CC93-419F-A539-F2E0CA3A0EF1@mac-access.net> Hello Dane & all On 12 May 2011, at 21:09, Dane Trethowan wrote: Anyone tried this writing tool? http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.php yes, me! I bought it because it's precisely what I've been looking for. ? All tables, buttons and toolbars are perfectly accessible with Voiceover. It would appear so. Personally that doesn't matter to me; but I'm sure Gordon will try this also. ? My interest in this software was aroused by the latest email I received from the publishers of the Take Control series who have published a book on Scriverner which is a writing tool. You can also get that book from us, at a significant discount. See my earlier post. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 13 00:03:01 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 00:03:01 +0100 Subject: New Take Control Book Available Now From Mac Access Dot Net In-Reply-To: <6F020629-D52A-4FCC-A3F2-041B6F7FF290@gmail.com> References: <6F020629-D52A-4FCC-A3F2-041B6F7FF290@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5411E208-89F1-454D-8D28-5A732AA490CD@mac-access.net> Hello On 12 May 2011, at 22:17, Orin wrote: ? Hmm. Wonder if Scrivener is accessible. If not, StoryMill is pretty good and does the same thing, it's just simpler IMO. It is accessible by the looks of things, totally. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 13 00:08:33 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:08:33 -0700 Subject: 10 Coolest Keyboard Shortcuts You Never Knew About | Mac|Life In-Reply-To: <29E4A934-720B-4489-99F5-92D1A6C31688@mac.com> References: <931D2796-0B97-457D-B9F9-0F19D3DCEA1F@googlemail.com> <6E036ED9-0E9B-49EC-8B92-64C41186430E@gmail.com> <29E4A934-720B-4489-99F5-92D1A6C31688@mac.com> Message-ID: hello. Yeah here is a recording I did and sorry about the sound. I'm not feeling to well so I had to make this quick. but I tried this in text edit and it failed and transmit works lol1 Go figure. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1672188/some%20keys%20not%20working.m4a Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 12, 2011, at 2:45 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Sarah, > > In most instances I can use the Finder keyboard shortcuts (Command-Shift-H, Command-Shift-A, Command-Shift-U, Command-Shift-D) to select a directory for saving a document in an application's dialog window. When I can't, Command-Shift-G usually works, and I can type in the path to the folder I want to go to, which can be on an external device. This assumes, of course, that the shortcuts you're using do not conflict with keyboard shortcuts assigned for that application. For which applications are you finding these shortcuts do not work? I just tested a few (TextEdit, Pages, Amadeus Pro, Preview, etc.) using the "save as" option (Command-Shift-A). (I don't really want to save text or music to the Applications or Utilities folders, but the shortcuts do work). > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On May 12, 2011, at 10:50, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> One correction to that article. >> >> These keyboard shortcuts are used to navigate around the Finder. To open the Applications folder on your Mac, press Command + Shift + A in an opened Finder window; press Command + Shift + U to open the Utilities folder; and, press Command + Shift + D to open your Desktop folder in the Finder. These keyboard shortcuts can also be used when in an opened save dialog to navigate to these folders. >> >> Nope. I cannot hit cmd shift a u or d or o when saving a document in an application. >> >> Take care. >> >> >> >> >> Sarah Alawami > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri May 13 00:14:31 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 09:14:31 +1000 Subject: Scrivener In-Reply-To: <9B0A65D3-CC93-419F-A539-F2E0CA3A0EF1@mac-access.net> References: <5BA1C62B-DE01-4718-9467-F6C14952E7FF@internode.on.net> <9B0A65D3-CC93-419F-A539-F2E0CA3A0EF1@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <85001478-6D7D-4FD6-98DE-83221E104F05@internode.on.net> Yes, just what I was looking for as well so now that I've bought the Take Control tutorial and given that the software seems very accessible I should be able to make a go of it. On 13/05/2011, at 9:00 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane & all > > On 12 May 2011, at 21:09, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Anyone tried this writing tool? http://www.literatureandlatte.com/scrivener.php > > yes, me! I bought it because it's precisely what I've been looking for. > > ? All tables, buttons and toolbars are perfectly accessible with Voiceover. > > It would appear so. Personally that doesn't matter to me; but I'm sure Gordon will try this also. > > ? My interest in this software was aroused by the latest email I received from the publishers of the Take Control series who have published a book on Scriverner which is a writing tool. > > You can also get that book from us, at a significant discount. See my earlier post. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Fri May 13 00:19:14 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 13:19:14 -1000 Subject: 10 Coolest Keyboard Shortcuts You Never Knew About | Mac|Life In-Reply-To: References: <931D2796-0B97-457D-B9F9-0F19D3DCEA1F@googlemail.com> <6E036ED9-0E9B-49EC-8B92-64C41186430E@gmail.com> <29E4A934-720B-4489-99F5-92D1A6C31688@mac.com> Message-ID: <31AD89DE-7415-41E2-A473-B5D8BE75FE04@mac.com> Hi Sarah, Since some of the shortcuts work, can you use Command-Shift-G as a general purpose fix? Maybe there are conflicts with local shortcut definitions. Also, weirdly, I couldn't first get your file to play. I had to download and play it locally, and the first attempt to get the file turned out to have 0 kb length. Cheers, Esther On May 12, 2011, at 13:08, Sarah Alawami wrote: > hello. Yeah here is a recording I did and sorry about the sound. I'm not feeling to well so I had to make this quick. but I tried this in text edit and it failed and transmit works lol1 Go figure. > > http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1672188/some%20keys%20not%20working.m4a > > Take care all. > Sarah Alawami From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 13 00:35:22 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 00:35:22 +0100 Subject: iTunes Movement Message-ID: Hello all In audio books, all of a sudden, the Command+arrow left/right, Option+Arrow left/right and Command+Option+Arrow left/right keys aren't working for us any longer. We cannot, for instance, move in a book by chapter any longer and this is really annoying. Anybody know what might have happened? The books are properly tagged by the way. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 13 00:37:32 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 16:37:32 -0700 Subject: 10 Coolest Keyboard Shortcuts You Never Knew About | Mac|Life In-Reply-To: <31AD89DE-7415-41E2-A473-B5D8BE75FE04@mac.com> References: <931D2796-0B97-457D-B9F9-0F19D3DCEA1F@googlemail.com> <6E036ED9-0E9B-49EC-8B92-64C41186430E@gmail.com> <29E4A934-720B-4489-99F5-92D1A6C31688@mac.com> <31AD89DE-7415-41E2-A473-B5D8BE75FE04@mac.com> Message-ID: <875F9175-A9B2-49B0-B3DC-33F12CBD6A60@gmail.com> stupid dropbox! I could go and do that but I don't think there is a conflict with text edit. it has been happening since day one of me getting this mac lol! and that was last year. I could use the cmd shift g but I'm too lazy to type in long path names. I can type !/documents and that works but I have a link on my desktop that takes me there lol! Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 12, 2011, at 4:19 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Sarah, > > Since some of the shortcuts work, can you use Command-Shift-G as a general purpose fix? Maybe there are conflicts with local shortcut definitions. Also, weirdly, I couldn't first get your file to play. I had to download and play it locally, and the first attempt to get the file turned out to have 0 kb length. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On May 12, 2011, at 13:08, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> hello. Yeah here is a recording I did and sorry about the sound. I'm not feeling to well so I had to make this quick. but I tried this in text edit and it failed and transmit works lol1 Go figure. >> >> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1672188/some%20keys%20not%20working.m4a >> >> Take care all. >> Sarah Alawami > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 13 01:00:25 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 17:00:25 -0700 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I can use cmd left and right arrow and option cmd left and right arrow just fine here. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 12, 2011, at 4:35 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello all > > In audio books, all of a sudden, the Command+arrow left/right, Option+Arrow left/right and Command+Option+Arrow left/right keys aren't working for us any longer. We cannot, for instance, move in a book by chapter any longer and this is really annoying. Anybody know what might have happened? > > The books are properly tagged by the way. > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 13 02:07:37 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 18:07:37 -0700 Subject: Apple Restricts Hard Drive Replacements on New iMacs Message-ID: Apple Restricts Hard Drive Replacements on New iMacs Hard drive from Early 2011 iMac (Source: iFixit) As noted by Other World Computing, Apple has implemented a new temperature sensor system on its latest iMac models that significantly hampers the ability of users to replace their original hard drives in the case of failure or a desire to upgrade. Without the custom 7-pin hard drive cable and proprietary firmware included on stock hard drives in the new machines, the new iMacs' fans spin to full speed and the machines fail to pass the Apple Hardware Test. For the main 3.5" SATA hard drive bay in the new 2011 machines, Apple has altered the SATA power connector itself from a standard 4-pin power configuration to a 7-pin configuration. Hard drive temperature control is regulated by a combination of this cable and Apple proprietary firmware on the hard drive itself. From our testing, we've found that removing this drive from the system, or even from that bay itself, causes the machine's hard drive fans to spin at maximum speed and replacing the drive with any non-Apple original drive will result in the iMac failing the Apple Hardware Test (AHT). As the report notes, the change does mean that anyone seeking to replace the hard drive in a new iMac will have to go through Apple, limiting options and increasing costs. It is not a matter of "if" but rather a matter of "when" your hard drive is going to fail. We preach this all the time in regards to having a proper backup strategy in place to prepare from when that failure happens. But it seems now, that when that happens to the main drive on your iMac, you're left with two options - buy a new drive from Apple and have them install it via one of their Authorized Service Centers, or enjoy the rather large Apple logoed paperweight on your desk. Want a 3.5" drive larger than 2TB? Too bad - Apple doesn't offer them. Apple has not officially supported do-it-yourself hard drive replacements on the iMac for many years, but many users have still elected to take on the task themselves or have others not specifically authorized by Apple perform the swap for them. http://bit.ly/jroen2 From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 13 04:57:22 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 20:57:22 -0700 Subject: Quickly delete iPhone photos from your Mac Message-ID: <9D603C31-759B-4F5A-B8F6-8339B288E3B0@gmail.com> Quickly delete iPhone photos from your Mac Want to delete some, but not all, of the photos you have on your iPhone? The secret is to use Image Capture. http://bit.ly/lsyvCJ From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Fri May 13 07:14:35 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 16:14:35 +1000 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: i have a question about audio books can any one help me please this question is how can i prevent i tunes from mixing up my autio books there all over the place what can i do? please help sad crying smiley it renames some of them to when i had them all organized not sure what to do about this thanks On 13/05/2011, at 9:35 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello all > > In audio books, all of a sudden, the Command+arrow left/right, Option+Arrow left/right and Command+Option+Arrow left/right keys aren't working for us any longer. We cannot, for instance, move in a book by chapter any longer and this is really annoying. Anybody know what might have happened? > > The books are properly tagged by the way. > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 13 07:20:39 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 23:20:39 -0700 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> Waht do you mean mixed up. they shoudl all be in the audio books playlist. You can sourte by artist or author by hiting vo shift back slash on the colomn though. Good luck. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 12, 2011, at 11:14 PM, krystal watson wrote: > i have a question about audio books can any one help me please this question is how can i prevent i tunes from mixing up my autio books there all over the place what can i do? please help sad crying smiley it renames some of them to when i had them all organized not sure what to do about this thanks > On 13/05/2011, at 9:35 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello all >> >> In audio books, all of a sudden, the Command+arrow left/right, Option+Arrow left/right and Command+Option+Arrow left/right keys aren't working for us any longer. We cannot, for instance, move in a book by chapter any longer and this is really annoying. Anybody know what might have happened? >> >> The books are properly tagged by the way. >> >> Lynne >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Fri May 13 08:03:49 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 09:03:49 +0200 Subject: Scrivener 2 In-Reply-To: <21B6DA8D7B694BB4933E37830949A332@samsungnc10> References: <21B6DA8D7B694BB4933E37830949A332@samsungnc10> Message-ID: <91B3CDA1-0A9C-4DF0-BBDA-454F4832FF25@mac-access.net> Hi Karl, On 12 May 2011, at 22:25, Karl wrote: Does anyone use this program and what is the accessibility like? Appreciate any feedback. I have tried v.1 and the accessibility was pretty much 100%. Having spoken with the developer, he was extremely interested in accessibility and so I would image that this version is even more accessible. Be aware though that some features like the cork board may not work, as they are purely visual aids, as he explained to me. Also remember that it is not a traditional word processing app, and its concepts will take a little while to get used to. It is a very nice app, and if Pages were not as accessible or if I did not use LaTeX, I would certainly get this app. But as I said, Pages does the job nicely for me. I found that I spent too long trying to decide on the status of my work and not concentrating enough on the content, as Scrivener's detailed approach allows you license to organise where other apps may not. HTH TC :) James > Hi all, > Does anyone use this program and what is the accessibility like? Appreciate > any feedback. > > Regards > Karl > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri May 13 08:19:52 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 17:19:52 +1000 Subject: Scrivener 2 In-Reply-To: <91B3CDA1-0A9C-4DF0-BBDA-454F4832FF25@mac-access.net> References: <21B6DA8D7B694BB4933E37830949A332@samsungnc10> <91B3CDA1-0A9C-4DF0-BBDA-454F4832FF25@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <19D3B845-DD40-41C0-A227-AB19959A7DA0@internode.on.net> I agree with the concepts part of your message and that's where I've found the latest Take Control book on Scriverner II to be a very useful guide and reference tool, some great examples in there of how to use the Scriverner II software. On 13/05/2011, at 5:03 PM, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > Hi Karl, > On 12 May 2011, at 22:25, Karl wrote: > Does anyone use this program and what is the accessibility like? Appreciate > any feedback. > > I have tried v.1 and the accessibility was pretty much 100%. Having spoken with the developer, he was extremely interested in accessibility and so I would image that this version is even more accessible. > > Be aware though that some features like the cork board may not work, as they are purely visual aids, as he explained to me. Also remember that it is not a traditional word processing app, and its concepts will take a little while to get used to. It is a very nice app, and if Pages were not as accessible or if I did not use LaTeX, I would certainly get this app. But as I said, Pages does the job nicely for me. I found that I spent too long trying to decide on the status of my work and not concentrating enough on the content, as Scrivener's detailed approach allows you license to organise where other apps may not. > > HTH > TC :) > James > > >> Hi all, >> Does anyone use this program and what is the accessibility like? Appreciate >> any feedback. >> >> Regards >> Karl >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Fri May 13 08:23:24 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 09:23:24 +0200 Subject: Scrivener 2 In-Reply-To: <19D3B845-DD40-41C0-A227-AB19959A7DA0@internode.on.net> References: <21B6DA8D7B694BB4933E37830949A332@samsungnc10> <91B3CDA1-0A9C-4DF0-BBDA-454F4832FF25@mac-access.net> <19D3B845-DD40-41C0-A227-AB19959A7DA0@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <2A674EE8-A256-4682-851B-AA72B4C12C89@mac-access.net> That's interesting. Maybe I'll get the book at some point purely out of curiosity. TC :) James On 13 May 2011, at 09:19, Dane Trethowan wrote: > I agree with the concepts part of your message and that's where I've found the latest Take Control book on Scriverner II to be a very useful guide and reference tool, some great examples in there of how to use the Scriverner II software. > > > On 13/05/2011, at 5:03 PM, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > >> Hi Karl, >> On 12 May 2011, at 22:25, Karl wrote: >> Does anyone use this program and what is the accessibility like? Appreciate >> any feedback. >> >> I have tried v.1 and the accessibility was pretty much 100%. Having spoken with the developer, he was extremely interested in accessibility and so I would image that this version is even more accessible. >> >> Be aware though that some features like the cork board may not work, as they are purely visual aids, as he explained to me. Also remember that it is not a traditional word processing app, and its concepts will take a little while to get used to. It is a very nice app, and if Pages were not as accessible or if I did not use LaTeX, I would certainly get this app. But as I said, Pages does the job nicely for me. I found that I spent too long trying to decide on the status of my work and not concentrating enough on the content, as Scrivener's detailed approach allows you license to organise where other apps may not. >> >> HTH >> TC :) >> James >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> Does anyone use this program and what is the accessibility like? Appreciate >>> any feedback. >>> >>> Regards >>> Karl >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri May 13 08:36:06 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 17:36:06 +1000 Subject: Scrivener 2 In-Reply-To: <2A674EE8-A256-4682-851B-AA72B4C12C89@mac-access.net> References: <21B6DA8D7B694BB4933E37830949A332@samsungnc10> <91B3CDA1-0A9C-4DF0-BBDA-454F4832FF25@mac-access.net> <19D3B845-DD40-41C0-A227-AB19959A7DA0@internode.on.net> <2A674EE8-A256-4682-851B-AA72B4C12C89@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4DCCDF66.8010807@internode.on.net> Its cheap enough for that reason alone . On 13/05/2011 5:23 PM, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > That's interesting. Maybe I'll get the book at some point purely out of curiosity. > > TC :) > James > On 13 May 2011, at 09:19, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> I agree with the concepts part of your message and that's where I've found the latest Take Control book on Scriverner II to be a very useful guide and reference tool, some great examples in there of how to use the Scriverner II software. >> >> >> On 13/05/2011, at 5:03 PM, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: >> >>> Hi Karl, >>> On 12 May 2011, at 22:25, Karl wrote: >>> Does anyone use this program and what is the accessibility like? Appreciate >>> any feedback. >>> >>> I have tried v.1 and the accessibility was pretty much 100%. Having spoken with the developer, he was extremely interested in accessibility and so I would image that this version is even more accessible. >>> >>> Be aware though that some features like the cork board may not work, as they are purely visual aids, as he explained to me. Also remember that it is not a traditional word processing app, and its concepts will take a little while to get used to. It is a very nice app, and if Pages were not as accessible or if I did not use LaTeX, I would certainly get this app. But as I said, Pages does the job nicely for me. I found that I spent too long trying to decide on the status of my work and not concentrating enough on the content, as Scrivener's detailed approach allows you license to organise where other apps may not. >>> >>> HTH >>> TC :) >>> James >>> >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> Does anyone use this program and what is the accessibility like? Appreciate >>>> any feedback. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Karl >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Fri May 13 11:25:43 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 20:25:43 +1000 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> like most of them are in unknown artest and there all in main i tunes library don't know what to do lost sad crying smiley On 13/05/2011, at 4:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Waht do you mean mixed up. they shoudl all be in the audio books playlist. You can sourte by artist or author by hiting vo shift back slash on the colomn though. > > Good luck. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 12, 2011, at 11:14 PM, krystal watson wrote: > >> i have a question about audio books can any one help me please this question is how can i prevent i tunes from mixing up my autio books there all over the place what can i do? please help sad crying smiley it renames some of them to when i had them all organized not sure what to do about this thanks >> On 13/05/2011, at 9:35 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello all >>> >>> In audio books, all of a sudden, the Command+arrow left/right, Option+Arrow left/right and Command+Option+Arrow left/right keys aren't working for us any longer. We cannot, for instance, move in a book by chapter any longer and this is really annoying. Anybody know what might have happened? >>> >>> The books are properly tagged by the way. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From va3ets2000 at me.com Fri May 13 11:26:59 2011 From: va3ets2000 at me.com (Dan Eickmeier) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 06:26:59 -0400 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> Message-ID: What she's saying is, she's got tracks from various audio books she has, but instead of being in the audio books playlist, they're totally scattered in her main music playlist. On May 13, 2011, at 2:20 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Waht do you mean mixed up. they shoudl all be in the audio books playlist. You can sourte by artist or author by hiting vo shift back slash on the colomn though. > > Good luck. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 12, 2011, at 11:14 PM, krystal watson wrote: > >> i have a question about audio books can any one help me please this question is how can i prevent i tunes from mixing up my autio books there all over the place what can i do? please help sad crying smiley it renames some of them to when i had them all organized not sure what to do about this thanks >> On 13/05/2011, at 9:35 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello all >>> >>> In audio books, all of a sudden, the Command+arrow left/right, Option+Arrow left/right and Command+Option+Arrow left/right keys aren't working for us any longer. We cannot, for instance, move in a book by chapter any longer and this is really annoying. Anybody know what might have happened? >>> >>> The books are properly tagged by the way. >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 13 12:10:49 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 12:10:49 +0100 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6CD20E77-910D-498A-940F-93E2E1860E9A@mac-access.net> Hello Sarah I know you can! ;-) it is a local problem, but we can't figure out why the heck things are behaving as they are. Option+Left/Right arrow keys are cycling us between books, not chapters as they used too. Lynne On 13 May 2011, at 01:00, Sarah Alawami wrote: I can use cmd left and right arrow and option cmd left and right arrow just fine here. From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 13 12:15:18 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 12:15:18 +0100 Subject: Scrivener 2 In-Reply-To: <2A674EE8-A256-4682-851B-AA72B4C12C89@mac-access.net> References: <21B6DA8D7B694BB4933E37830949A332@samsungnc10> <91B3CDA1-0A9C-4DF0-BBDA-454F4832FF25@mac-access.net> <19D3B845-DD40-41C0-A227-AB19959A7DA0@internode.on.net> <2A674EE8-A256-4682-851B-AA72B4C12C89@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <12C6E4C7-E913-49A9-91A2-2BC19E444B69@mac-access.net> Hello James On 13 May 2011, at 08:23, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: ? That's interesting. Maybe I'll get the book at some point purely out of curiosity. The book is yours for just ?1.55 if you get it from us. From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Fri May 13 14:17:02 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 08:17:02 -0500 Subject: Safari 5.05 represents a real regression Message-ID: <201105131317.p4DDH2Y8025318@x.it.okstate.edu> All this discussion is very helpful as I have been experiencing that same busy/ready cycling. I have noticed if you wait it out, it does seem to eventually end but it can go on for way too long as in several minutes. I first experienced it on a Microsoft Sharepoint site. Glitches and bugs while attempting to use safari with sharepoint are about as common as sand grains in the Sahara so I figured it was just more sharepoint fun and games. I suspect it is a bug in Safari when used with VO while it tries to handle client-side scripting. That's just a guess. I'll let Sharepoint off the hook just this once. Martin "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" writes: > That's exactly the problem we were getting. Gordon's quite an experienced > user and he tried all the usual fixes; clearing the logs, caches, > temporary files, purging the virtual memory swap file so that only the > active portion remained, all those things. All to no effect. From weavermicha at googlemail.com Fri May 13 14:38:22 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 14:38:22 +0100 Subject: some message on the i-phone Message-ID: <4dcd322c.543de30a.286d.7cc1@mx.google.com> i am puzzled about a sound i keep hearing on my i-phone and a possible message that appears with it. what i am puzzled about is a beep that can happen any time when my phone is on. it does it at random times and can be a pain when listening to music using the i-pod. i think that some message appears because after it happens and i swipe around i think i get the message "network lost." sometimes i can even be sat in the same place when this happens and it can be the same position where i do normally have network coverage. is this kind of behaviour normal or is there some kind of fault with my setup on my phone? i have noticed the loss of networks on previous phones using talks when reading the status but until i got the i-phone near the end of last year, i am not sure if this beeping that can happen at any point is something out of the normal or not and whether with the i-phone this beeping is something extra when network coverage is lost. From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri May 13 16:58:38 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 10:58:38 -0500 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: Itunes plays hell with audio books, even when you tell it not to keep your library organized, it still misfiles things. What you need to make it put things back in order is to go into the info on each audio book, (command-i) and click on options tab. Go over to the type, or kind, or whatever it's called, (it defaults to music) and click the pop-up. Change it to audio book, and itunes will put it back where it belongs. You probably also want to check the boxes for skip when shuffling, and remember playback position since audio books are usually fairly long, and there's nothing wors than hitting the wrong button, having itunes switch to the next file, and having to start all over at the beginning for the one you were almost done reading. If that option still leaves things in unknown artist folders, then you will have to go back in to info again, select info, and set the author to make it put them in the correct author's folder, or you can turn off the keep my library organized checkbox, and itunes will quite moving things around then. I find this works best for me, because I honestly don't like the way itunes quote organizes unquote my stuff, so i always turn it off anyhow. From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 13 17:41:14 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 09:41:14 -0700 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: <0B9EE6EE-7B90-45DC-91E3-B5B560B91BB0@gmail.com> OH you need to retag the books and they should be in the books playlist unless they are not m4b. if they are not m4b you will need to convert them. amadeus does this quite nicely. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 13, 2011, at 3:25 AM, krystal watson wrote: > like most of them are in unknown artest and there all in main i tunes library don't know what to do lost sad crying smiley > On 13/05/2011, at 4:20 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Waht do you mean mixed up. they shoudl all be in the audio books playlist. You can sourte by artist or author by hiting vo shift back slash on the colomn though. >> >> Good luck. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On May 12, 2011, at 11:14 PM, krystal watson wrote: >> >>> i have a question about audio books can any one help me please this question is how can i prevent i tunes from mixing up my autio books there all over the place what can i do? please help sad crying smiley it renames some of them to when i had them all organized not sure what to do about this thanks >>> On 13/05/2011, at 9:35 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all >>>> >>>> In audio books, all of a sudden, the Command+arrow left/right, Option+Arrow left/right and Command+Option+Arrow left/right keys aren't working for us any longer. We cannot, for instance, move in a book by chapter any longer and this is really annoying. Anybody know what might have happened? >>>> >>>> The books are properly tagged by the way. >>>> >>>> Lynne >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 13 17:42:23 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 09:42:23 -0700 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: <6CD20E77-910D-498A-940F-93E2E1860E9A@mac-access.net> References: <6CD20E77-910D-498A-940F-93E2E1860E9A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Are the books chapterised before they are created? if not that's the cause right there. lol! you will need an app such as Join Together to do this. good luck. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 13, 2011, at 4:10 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > I know you can! ;-) it is a local problem, but we can't figure out why the heck things are behaving as they are. > > Option+Left/Right arrow keys are cycling us between books, not chapters as they used too. > > Lynne > > On 13 May 2011, at 01:00, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > I can use cmd left and right arrow and option cmd left and right arrow just fine here. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri May 13 17:57:29 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 11:57:29 -0500 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: <0B9EE6EE-7B90-45DC-91E3-B5B560B91BB0@gmail.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <0B9EE6EE-7B90-45DC-91E3-B5B560B91BB0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7B2E3596-F0F0-4C8B-9687-1B2C3FB6DBEC@softcon.com> Your audio books can be any format you like (even AIFF) as long as they're properly tagged in itunes, including the track numbers and book titles. If all that's done, and they're marked as audio books (in the options screen of itunes, not the info tab) then itunes will treat them as audio books, there's no need to convert them to any particular format to get them to behave like they should. hth. From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 13 18:08:22 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 10:08:22 -0700 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: <7B2E3596-F0F0-4C8B-9687-1B2C3FB6DBEC@softcon.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <0B9EE6EE-7B90-45DC-91E3-B5B560B91BB0@gmail.com> <7B2E3596-F0F0-4C8B-9687-1B2C3FB6DBEC@softcon.com> Message-ID: Ah in a way you are right but if you want to make them book markable they will have to be changed to m4b format. I've used this format to read the lord of the rings series. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 13, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: > Your audio books can be any format you like (even AIFF) as long as they're properly tagged in itunes, including the track numbers and book titles. > If all that's done, and they're marked as audio books (in the options screen of itunes, not the info tab) then itunes will treat them as audio books, there's no need to convert them to any particular format to get them to behave like they should. > hth. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 13 18:12:32 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 10:12:32 -0700 Subject: Indie Devs Get Hit With Lawsuit Threats Over In-App Purchases Message-ID: <4994ADCA-6185-4FE0-8F6B-018B5E4DD2D6@gmail.com> Indie Devs Get Hit With Lawsuit Threats Over In-App Purchases UPDATED. App Store developers who offer in-app purchasing might want to check their mailboxes this morning, as apparently FedEx-delivered lawsuit threats are currently making the rounds. The threats accuse devs of patent infringement regarding Apple?s in-app purchase mechanism, but the patent holder appears to be targeting independent developers individually instead of going after Apple itself. James Thomson of TLA Systems was the first to discuss the threat early Friday morning, as reported by Cult of Mac. Thomson was targeted by the patent holder because of in-app purchases available to users of pCalc, an iOS scientific calculator app. Thomson reports that though he hasn?t been sued yet, the patent holder wants him to license their tech, and gave him 21 days to comply. Thomson isn?t alone, either. Patrick McCarron, who creates apps for MobileAge, also confirmed receiving the same notice via FedEx early Friday. McCarron?s offending app was a game, so it seems like the company behind this is casting a wide net. Neither Thomson nor McCarron has yet to reveal the name of the company targeting them, though McCarron did assert that it is not MacroSolve, a company that has been very active recently in enforcing its mobile technology patents. Apple has been contacted by both devs, and will likely move quickly to respond to these threats in order to prevent widespread concern among the developer community. As of yet, Apple has yet to comment officially on this development. We reached out for comment, but have yet to hear back. This kind of suit could provide a dangerous precedent, if not quickly quashed. Google and RIM recently introduced in-app purchasing, and presumably those systems would also be in violation of these patents. We?re working on discovering the source of the threats, and will update when more information becomes available. UPDATE: The company behind the patent suit threats is apparently Lodsys, a patent holding firm which has held patent no. 7222078 (the one which is claimed to have been violated) since 2004. Lodsys cited the same patent, along with several others, when it filed suit against a number of major printer companies in early 2011, according to MacRumors. Lodsys? entire business consists of licensing the patents it holds, which is completely in keeping with the licensing demands developers have so far been receiving. If you feel like making your feelings about this latest round of threats known to Lodsys, you can contact the company directly via its official website. http://bit.ly/iUAUY4 From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Fri May 13 18:19:14 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 19:19:14 +0200 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <0B9EE6EE-7B90-45DC-91E3-B5B560B91BB0@gmail.com> <7B2E3596-F0F0-4C8B-9687-1B2C3FB6DBEC@softcon.com> Message-ID: <4DCD6812.6000804@gmail.com> Hello Sarah, No, they don't have to be changed at all. You can just change the music kind under their options, and it's fine. This has always been the case, and they will register as books. Regards, Nic On 5/13/2011 7:08 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Ah in a way you are right but if you want to make them book markable they will have to be changed to m4b format. I've used this format to read the lord of the rings series. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 13, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: > >> Your audio books can be any format you like (even AIFF) as long as they're properly tagged in itunes, including the track numbers and book titles. >> If all that's done, and they're marked as audio books (in the options screen of itunes, not the info tab) then itunes will treat them as audio books, there's no need to convert them to any particular format to get them to behave like they should. >> hth. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 13 18:40:10 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 10:40:10 -0700 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: <4DCD6812.6000804@gmail.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <0B9EE6EE-7B90-45DC-91E3-B5B560B91BB0@gmail.com> <7B2E3596-F0F0-4C8B-9687-1B2C3FB6DBEC@softcon.com> <4DCD6812.6000804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200987D9-7CA6-4863-96D5-86699DE567CA@gmail.com> True but see my prior reply on why you might want to use the app. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 13, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hello Sarah, > > No, they don't have to be changed at all. You can just change the music kind under their options, and it's fine. This has always been the case, and they will register as books. > > Regards, > Nic > On 5/13/2011 7:08 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> Ah in a way you are right but if you want to make them book markable they will have to be changed to m4b format. I've used this format to read the lord of the rings series. >> >> Take care. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On May 13, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: >> >>> Your audio books can be any format you like (even AIFF) as long as they're properly tagged in itunes, including the track numbers and book titles. >>> If all that's done, and they're marked as audio books (in the options screen of itunes, not the info tab) then itunes will treat them as audio books, there's no need to convert them to any particular format to get them to behave like they should. >>> hth. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 13 18:57:30 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 18:57:30 +0100 Subject: Safari 5.05 represents a real regression In-Reply-To: <201105131317.p4DDH2Y8025318@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201105131317.p4DDH2Y8025318@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: Hello Martin On 13 May 2011, at 14:17, Martin McCormick wrote: All this discussion is very helpful as I have been experiencing that same busy/ready cycling. I have noticed if you wait it out, it does seem to eventually end but it can go on for way too long as in several minutes. Sometimes it doesn't go away if you wait. But that really isn't the point; it shouldn't happen. We have tried everything, but we do think it's some local configuration issue causing it for reasons I can't go into. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 13 19:32:46 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 19:32:46 +0100 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: <398D8AAE-C403-4913-BB89-DDE02EF40AAC@mac-access.net> Hello all I see my original subject line has been hijacked, and so my original issue is getting no responses. May I request that, if people wish to raise new issues with things, please re-subject them so that the original poster does not lose their thread. In our case, getting back to the original point, (which has absolutely nothing to do with re-organising libraries), the movement keys simply won't work and we can't figure out why. Lynne From grandtheogonist at googlemail.com Fri May 13 19:32:44 2011 From: grandtheogonist at googlemail.com (Karl) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 19:32:44 +0100 Subject: Scrivener 2 References: <21B6DA8D7B694BB4933E37830949A332@samsungnc10> <91B3CDA1-0A9C-4DF0-BBDA-454F4832FF25@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0D12E128FEF643C9A7D001450AA56601@samsungnc10> James, Thanks for this; really good feedback. I've over organised my work in the past as well so I need to be prepared to stop tinkering if the software interests me. Thanks Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES AUSTIN" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 8:03 AM Subject: Re: Scrivener 2 Hi Karl, On 12 May 2011, at 22:25, Karl wrote: Does anyone use this program and what is the accessibility like? Appreciate any feedback. I have tried v.1 and the accessibility was pretty much 100%. Having spoken with the developer, he was extremely interested in accessibility and so I would image that this version is even more accessible. Be aware though that some features like the cork board may not work, as they are purely visual aids, as he explained to me. Also remember that it is not a traditional word processing app, and its concepts will take a little while to get used to. It is a very nice app, and if Pages were not as accessible or if I did not use LaTeX, I would certainly get this app. But as I said, Pages does the job nicely for me. I found that I spent too long trying to decide on the status of my work and not concentrating enough on the content, as Scrivener's detailed approach allows you license to organise where other apps may not. HTH TC :) James > Hi all, > Does anyone use this program and what is the accessibility like? > Appreciate > any feedback. > > Regards > Karl > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Fri May 13 19:34:27 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 19:34:27 +0100 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: References: <6CD20E77-910D-498A-940F-93E2E1860E9A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <89DEC696-7BD4-4AEC-9DFF-B945EFDA02D0@mac-access.net> Hello Sarah On 13 May 2011, at 17:42, Sarah Alawami wrote: ? Are the books chapterised before they are created? if not that's the cause right there. lol! you will need an app such as Join Together to do this. I think I've already answered that, :) Yes, they are properly tagged and created books. They work fine on our iOS devices. Lynne From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Fri May 13 20:14:13 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 05:14:13 +1000 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: <5E893B23-2B20-4066-92F1-4081E8AF0B54@bluebottle.com> so if i turn off keep my music organized i can still play it and move it where i want it? sorry new to i tunes and mac i not good at it sorry On 14/05/2011, at 1:58 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: > Itunes plays hell with audio books, even when you tell it not to keep your library organized, it still misfiles things. > What you need to make it put things back in order is to go into the info on each audio book, (command-i) and click on options tab. > Go over to the type, or kind, or whatever it's called, (it defaults to music) and click the pop-up. Change it to audio book, and itunes will put it back where it belongs. > You probably also want to check the boxes for skip when shuffling, and remember playback position since audio books are usually fairly long, and there's nothing wors than hitting the wrong button, having itunes switch to the next file, and having to start all over at the beginning for the one you were almost done reading. > If that option still leaves things in unknown artist folders, then you will have to go back in to info again, select info, and set the author to make it put them in the correct author's folder, or you can turn off the keep my library organized checkbox, and itunes will quite moving things around then. > > I find this works best for me, because I honestly don't like the way itunes quote organizes unquote my stuff, so i always turn it off anyhow. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Fri May 13 20:18:36 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 05:18:36 +1000 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: <4DCD6812.6000804@gmail.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <0B9EE6EE-7B90-45DC-91E3-B5B560B91BB0@gmail.com> <7B2E3596-F0F0-4C8B-9687-1B2C3FB6DBEC@softcon.com> <4DCD6812.6000804@gmail.com> Message-ID: um ok i new to this how do i change it? sorry this is going over my head On 14/05/2011, at 3:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hello Sarah, > > No, they don't have to be changed at all. You can just change the music kind under their options, and it's fine. This has always been the case, and they will register as books. > > Regards, > Nic > On 5/13/2011 7:08 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> Ah in a way you are right but if you want to make them book markable they will have to be changed to m4b format. I've used this format to read the lord of the rings series. >> >> Take care. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On May 13, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: >> >>> Your audio books can be any format you like (even AIFF) as long as they're properly tagged in itunes, including the track numbers and book titles. >>> If all that's done, and they're marked as audio books (in the options screen of itunes, not the info tab) then itunes will treat them as audio books, there's no need to convert them to any particular format to get them to behave like they should. >>> hth. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Fri May 13 20:20:27 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 05:20:27 +1000 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: <398D8AAE-C403-4913-BB89-DDE02EF40AAC@mac-access.net> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <398D8AAE-C403-4913-BB89-DDE02EF40AAC@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4122DDE5-AB02-49FA-9623-74E2625E1A9F@bluebottle.com> sorry On 14/05/2011, at 4:32 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello all > > I see my original subject line has been hijacked, and so my original issue is getting no responses. May I request that, if people wish to raise new issues with things, please re-subject them so that the original poster does not lose their thread. > > In our case, getting back to the original point, (which has absolutely nothing to do with re-organising libraries), the movement keys simply won't work and we can't figure out why. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Fri May 13 20:39:49 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 05:39:49 +1000 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: <398D8AAE-C403-4913-BB89-DDE02EF40AAC@mac-access.net> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <398D8AAE-C403-4913-BB89-DDE02EF40AAC@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <5D71BFF6-EF19-4D93-B971-AF9DA46A2FC4@bluebottle.com> i thaught i did do this i am sorry On 14/05/2011, at 4:32 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello all > > I see my original subject line has been hijacked, and so my original issue is getting no responses. May I request that, if people wish to raise new issues with things, please re-subject them so that the original poster does not lose their thread. > > In our case, getting back to the original point, (which has absolutely nothing to do with re-organising libraries), the movement keys simply won't work and we can't figure out why. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 13 20:40:46 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 12:40:46 -0700 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: <398D8AAE-C403-4913-BB89-DDE02EF40AAC@mac-access.net> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <398D8AAE-C403-4913-BB89-DDE02EF40AAC@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <31AA0053-8569-4994-89C5-140D07ACECBC@gmail.com> Do you have your books chaprerised? if not then that might be your problem. It works if you have your books chapterised but still in 1 file. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 13, 2011, at 11:32 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello all > > I see my original subject line has been hijacked, and so my original issue is getting no responses. May I request that, if people wish to raise new issues with things, please re-subject them so that the original poster does not lose their thread. > > In our case, getting back to the original point, (which has absolutely nothing to do with re-organising libraries), the movement keys simply won't work and we can't figure out why. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 13 20:41:33 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 12:41:33 -0700 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: <89DEC696-7BD4-4AEC-9DFF-B945EFDA02D0@mac-access.net> References: <6CD20E77-910D-498A-940F-93E2E1860E9A@mac-access.net> <89DEC696-7BD4-4AEC-9DFF-B945EFDA02D0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Not tagged, chapterised. Each track of the original set of files is a chapter or side or what not. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 13, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > On 13 May 2011, at 17:42, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > ? Are the books chapterised before they are created? if not that's the cause right there. lol! you will need an app such as Join Together to do this. > > I think I've already answered that, :) Yes, they are properly tagged and created books. They work fine on our iOS devices. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 13 20:42:22 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 12:42:22 -0700 Subject: changing file tags in itunes In-Reply-To: References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <0B9EE6EE-7B90-45DC-91E3-B5B560B91BB0@gmail.com> <7B2E3596-F0F0-4C8B-9687-1B2C3FB6DBEC@softcon.com> <4DCD6812.6000804@gmail.com> Message-ID: <903B38D3-88E7-4224-A2B0-7F9ACEFF5380@gmail.com> cmd I on the file in the playlist then change the genre by gogn to info tab. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 13, 2011, at 12:18 PM, krystal watson wrote: > um ok i new to this how do i change it? sorry this is going over my head > On 14/05/2011, at 3:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hello Sarah, >> >> No, they don't have to be changed at all. You can just change the music kind under their options, and it's fine. This has always been the case, and they will register as books. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> On 5/13/2011 7:08 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> Ah in a way you are right but if you want to make them book markable they will have to be changed to m4b format. I've used this format to read the lord of the rings series. >>> >>> Take care. >>> Sarah Alawami >>> >>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>> >>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>> >>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>> >>> On May 13, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: >>> >>>> Your audio books can be any format you like (even AIFF) as long as they're properly tagged in itunes, including the track numbers and book titles. >>>> If all that's done, and they're marked as audio books (in the options screen of itunes, not the info tab) then itunes will treat them as audio books, there's no need to convert them to any particular format to get them to behave like they should. >>>> hth. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Fri May 13 20:55:32 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 05:55:32 +1000 Subject: changing file tags in itunes In-Reply-To: <903B38D3-88E7-4224-A2B0-7F9ACEFF5380@gmail.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <0B9EE6EE-7B90-45DC-91E3-B5B560B91BB0@gmail.com> <7B2E3596-F0F0-4C8B-9687-1B2C3FB6DBEC@softcon.com> <4DCD6812.6000804@gmail.com> <903B38D3-88E7-4224-A2B0-7F9ACEFF5380@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7FB75A2D-A74B-4262-97CE-FAAD39C9F070@bluebottle.com> thanks smiles what is a compulation On 14/05/2011, at 5:42 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > cmd I on the file in the playlist then change the genre by gogn to info tab. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 13, 2011, at 12:18 PM, krystal watson wrote: > >> um ok i new to this how do i change it? sorry this is going over my head >> On 14/05/2011, at 3:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hello Sarah, >>> >>> No, they don't have to be changed at all. You can just change the music kind under their options, and it's fine. This has always been the case, and they will register as books. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> On 5/13/2011 7:08 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>> Ah in a way you are right but if you want to make them book markable they will have to be changed to m4b format. I've used this format to read the lord of the rings series. >>>> >>>> Take care. >>>> Sarah Alawami >>>> >>>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>>> >>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>>> >>>> On May 13, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: >>>> >>>>> Your audio books can be any format you like (even AIFF) as long as they're properly tagged in itunes, including the track numbers and book titles. >>>>> If all that's done, and they're marked as audio books (in the options screen of itunes, not the info tab) then itunes will treat them as audio books, there's no need to convert them to any particular format to get them to behave like they should. >>>>> hth. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 13 21:17:13 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 13:17:13 -0700 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: <89DEC696-7BD4-4AEC-9DFF-B945EFDA02D0@mac-access.net> References: <6CD20E77-910D-498A-940F-93E2E1860E9A@mac-access.net> <89DEC696-7BD4-4AEC-9DFF-B945EFDA02D0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <5EAC5F76-1C2F-451E-B214-12C1F6833C8A@gmail.com> Ah here we go. I chapterised this well it's not a book. it's me but here ya go. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1672188/a%20look%20at%20winclone.m4b it should work and you should be able to navigate between chapters. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 13, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > On 13 May 2011, at 17:42, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > ? Are the books chapterised before they are created? if not that's the cause right there. lol! you will need an app such as Join Together to do this. > > I think I've already answered that, :) Yes, they are properly tagged and created books. They work fine on our iOS devices. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 13 21:48:56 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 13:48:56 -0700 Subject: changing file tags in itunes In-Reply-To: <7FB75A2D-A74B-4262-97CE-FAAD39C9F070@bluebottle.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <0B9EE6EE-7B90-45DC-91E3-B5B560B91BB0@gmail.com> <7B2E3596-F0F0-4C8B-9687-1B2C3FB6DBEC@softcon.com> <4DCD6812.6000804@gmail.com> <903B38D3-88E7-4224-A2B0-7F9ACEFF5380@gmail.com> <7FB75A2D-A74B-4262-97CE-FAAD39C9F070@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: <53B0A57A-6952-4D1A-B02A-1C943A360966@gmail.com> Let's say you have a box set called "like oh my god the best of the 80s" that is various artists on about 7 albums. you want it to keep the title in all albums which would be the one above so you check compilation and there ya go. you usually find these under the best of series. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 13, 2011, at 12:55 PM, krystal watson wrote: > thanks smiles what is a compulation > On 14/05/2011, at 5:42 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> cmd I on the file in the playlist then change the genre by gogn to info tab. >> >> Take care. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On May 13, 2011, at 12:18 PM, krystal watson wrote: >> >>> um ok i new to this how do i change it? sorry this is going over my head >>> On 14/05/2011, at 3:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Sarah, >>>> >>>> No, they don't have to be changed at all. You can just change the music kind under their options, and it's fine. This has always been the case, and they will register as books. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic >>>> On 5/13/2011 7:08 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>> Ah in a way you are right but if you want to make them book markable they will have to be changed to m4b format. I've used this format to read the lord of the rings series. >>>>> >>>>> Take care. >>>>> Sarah Alawami >>>>> >>>>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>>>> >>>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>>>> >>>>> On May 13, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Your audio books can be any format you like (even AIFF) as long as they're properly tagged in itunes, including the track numbers and book titles. >>>>>> If all that's done, and they're marked as audio books (in the options screen of itunes, not the info tab) then itunes will treat them as audio books, there's no need to convert them to any particular format to get them to behave like they should. >>>>>> hth. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 13 22:14:58 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 14:14:58 -0700 Subject: Automator workflow of the month: Easy voice memos on your Mac Message-ID: <4D661A70-7064-42E0-B86C-EF7639FC2491@gmail.com> Automator workflow of the month: Easy voice memos on your Mac Much as we all enjoy typing the kind of text snippets that make up our daily reminders and thoughts, it can be easier and more effective to record a voice memo on your Mac. In this month?s look at Automator, I demonstrate how to do just that. http://bit.ly/fK2VnL From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Sat May 14 00:05:35 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 00:05:35 +0100 Subject: Google Chrome Message-ID: We now have an alternative to Safari for Web browsing. http://chrome.blogspot.com/2011/05/fancier-graphics-safer-downloads-and.html From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat May 14 00:14:32 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 16:14:32 -0700 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2E96800E-A5C9-41D5-9CC9-47CC632B7DA0@gmail.com> Really? i've read on twitter that it hardley works but that might not mean much. I"ll give it a try and see what I come up with. Who knows I might do a youtube vid of a first time run through the thing. Take care all. I'm excited about htis. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 13, 2011, at 4:05 PM, Chris Moore wrote: > We now have an alternative to Safari for Web browsing. > http://chrome.blogspot.com/2011/05/fancier-graphics-safer-downloads-and.html > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat May 14 01:01:37 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 10:01:37 +1000 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> a very fast one at that . On 14/05/2011, at 9:05 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > We now have an alternative to Safari for Web browsing. > http://chrome.blogspot.com/2011/05/fancier-graphics-safer-downloads-and.html > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat May 14 01:33:11 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 17:33:11 -0700 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> References: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <2C4F0729-2E6D-4EDD-8EDA-1D3DA64E40EE@gmail.com> fast alright. it left my system with in 20 minutes. I'm not at all pleased with the results. I'll stick with safari. I'll explain as soon as I get this uploaded to youtube which might take about 3 hours on my stupid connection lol! Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 13, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > a very fast one at that . > > > On 14/05/2011, at 9:05 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> We now have an alternative to Safari for Web browsing. >> http://chrome.blogspot.com/2011/05/fancier-graphics-safer-downloads-and.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat May 14 02:12:02 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 18:12:02 -0700 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> References: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> Ok here is my first impressions vid. I hope it has sound lol! Keep in mind all of this could be due to operator error so if I'm wrong I'll do a second impressions but for now I'm not at all pleased. link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN32vvPthIA Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 13, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > a very fast one at that . > > > On 14/05/2011, at 9:05 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> We now have an alternative to Safari for Web browsing. >> http://chrome.blogspot.com/2011/05/fancier-graphics-safer-downloads-and.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From doug.cam3 at gmail.com Sat May 14 02:12:24 2011 From: doug.cam3 at gmail.com (douglas rudolph) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 19:12:24 -0600 Subject: cisco packet tracer Message-ID: <69BFB6BB8C604771A85414935614A2C9@dougPC> hey, do any of you know about an accessible packet tracer? This email may contain personal identifyable information. Copy, relay, redistributions, and or reading of these emails is strictly prohibited, unless you are the intended recipiant of this email, and this intended recipiant only. If this is not the intended recipiant, then you are requested to delete this message immediately and notify sender. Douglas Rudolph Tel: 1306-565-2056 Cell: 1306-209-2823 Email: doug.cam3 at gmail.com From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Sat May 14 02:12:47 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 21:12:47 -0400 Subject: Becoming a Mac user Message-ID: <7534343E8F3E47578492FB209B700766@DCQ0CYF1> Hi everyone. I am looking at the possibility of buying a Mac in the very near future. Since I've never used one before, I'm kind of looking for a crash course. For example what are the basic applications on a Mac. I've seen mention of Saphari and don't know what that is. I imagine that things like mail are fairly self explanatory. I'm gathering information on using voice over, since I am totally blind. So in short, any pointers for a person who is brand new to the Mac world are much appreciated. Thanks in advance to anyone who can offer tips, tricks, pointers, general knowledge. "The first law of dietetics seems to be if it tastes good, it's bad for you." - Dr. Isaac Asimov tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (that's also my messenger contact) twitter.com/todayinbraille Skype: raleighgirl62 From support at mac-access.net Sat May 14 03:20:10 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 03:20:10 +0100 Subject: New Member Welcome Message-ID: <23CBAB42-EA7A-4349-B221-EC16B7A3F06F@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Please do not reply to this thread on list unless your reply has a direct relevance to their Mac use or interest. It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome tracyduffy to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but have a keen interest. We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope this clarifies the position. If you have any list-related queries, please do not hesitate to contact either Gordon and myself, (the list owners), at , or one of our very capable assistant list controllers; Anne Robertson, or James Austin, and we will be happy to help you. Once again, a very warm welcome to the group. We hope you find your membership an enjoyable experience. Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From support at mac-access.net Sat May 14 03:36:59 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 03:36:59 +0100 Subject: Hijacking Threads; [Was: iTunes Movement] In-Reply-To: <5E893B23-2B20-4066-92F1-4081E8AF0B54@bluebottle.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <5E893B23-2B20-4066-92F1-4081E8AF0B54@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: <37557E31-A80A-4DE5-9D2E-D694B262C191@mac-access.net> I would appreciate it if people would please show a little courtesy and honour reasonable requests from the list owners. I asked people to stop using the thread I started for something else completely different and I am being totally ignored. So now, I am making this official. Anybody who persists with this behaviour will be placed into moderation. until they show us that they are willing to cooperate. I understand that discussions evolve; but there is a huge difference between an evolving discussion and a "hijack". So, regardless of who they are, any more persistent offenders will be moderated. That means that their posts will be held for moderation until they stop being discourteous. I hate to have to do this, it causes us inconvenience as well as the poster. But we won't tolerate continued abuse. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Sat May 14 03:52:10 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 03:52:10 +0100 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: References: <6CD20E77-910D-498A-940F-93E2E1860E9A@mac-access.net> <89DEC696-7BD4-4AEC-9DFF-B945EFDA02D0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <5FA60427-B8BB-4A66-835D-9B7029183763@mac-access.net> Hello Sarah On 13 May 2011, at 20:41, Sarah Alawami wrote: ? Not tagged, chapterised. Each track of the original set of files is a chapter or side or what not. Just a different expression. I shouldn't have used the word "Tag" But to be clear. Our books are properly created and formatted bookmarkable audiobooks which contain chapter tags. Lynne From jekis at fastmail.us Sat May 14 04:19:18 2011 From: jekis at fastmail.us (Justin Ekis) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 20:19:18 -0700 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> References: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <449A7C5C-6857-4AA0-8B0F-0C25B5E9B480@fastmail.us> Hi. I didn't hear sound with this, but it could be my connection. I've been having weird problems with my service all day. Anyway, what version of chrome did you use? You want the beta channel, not the stable release. I found it to be pretty good, except that I couldn't manage to organize my bookmarks the way I wanted them. I went back to safari because I realized that chrome doesn't have anything like the ClickToFlash extension. But the browser seemed to work very well and it was mostly accessible. Justin On May 13, 2011, at 6:12 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Ok here is my first impressions vid. I hope it has sound lol! Keep in mind all of this could be due to operator error so if I'm wrong I'll do a second impressions but for now I'm not at all pleased. link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN32vvPthIA Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 13, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > a very fast one at that . > > > On 14/05/2011, at 9:05 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > >> We now have an alternative to Safari for Web browsing. >> http://chrome.blogspot.com/2011/05/fancier-graphics-safer-downloads-and.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From billd at insightbb.com Sat May 14 04:57:32 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 23:57:32 -0400 Subject: Becoming a Mac user In-Reply-To: <7534343E8F3E47578492FB209B700766@DCQ0CYF1> References: <7534343E8F3E47578492FB209B700766@DCQ0CYF1> Message-ID: <114F1A78-96F5-4F0D-B757-B70DCA2BD1E7@insightbb.com> Hello, i started using the Mac in December. I found a lot of valuable information on this list. Ialso got some books from book shared i have a few friends who are blind who were very helpful. You can do a lot with the Mac just give yourself some time and i am sure you will be glad you did. Bill Deatherage From edworrell at bresnan.net Sat May 14 05:00:08 2011 From: edworrell at bresnan.net (Ed Worrell) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 22:00:08 -0600 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> References: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <187D28FF-4C3B-4D7E-AB33-0A57F9C0A758@bresnan.net> Sara, I agree, it is kinda a microsoft attempt to accessibility. I think it it is a step in the right direction. It isn't there yet though. ED From lynne at mac-access.net Sat May 14 06:15:26 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 06:15:26 +0100 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <449A7C5C-6857-4AA0-8B0F-0C25B5E9B480@fastmail.us> References: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> <449A7C5C-6857-4AA0-8B0F-0C25B5E9B480@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <1EFCA221-4A93-4F9C-A872-D254FF298EDC@mac-access.net> Hello everybody You know, I am very very tempted to give this a try. Is it really as accessible as Safari and, equally as important, does it do away with the "busy, ready, busy, ready" cycle problem? if so and if there are no hidden catches as in if Google isn't playing tricks on us all trying to get us all sucked into giving them personal data, then it may be an option; just as FireFox is the preferred option of many elsewhere. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat May 14 06:15:36 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 22:15:36 -0700 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <449A7C5C-6857-4AA0-8B0F-0C25B5E9B480@fastmail.us> References: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> <449A7C5C-6857-4AA0-8B0F-0C25B5E9B480@fastmail.us> Message-ID: <0CF04BCD-0AD5-47FA-8DD5-91F7DB631473@gmail.com> No it's not. youtube loves to take away soundfrom my vids. I'm puting it up on tiny paste. Don't ask me why but there ya go. I've had this happen for a few vids and I hate this! I'll post a link in about 35 minutes if I"m awake. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 13, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Justin Ekis wrote: > Hi. I didn't hear sound with this, but it could be my connection. I've been having weird problems with my service all day. > Anyway, what version of chrome did you use? You want the beta channel, not the stable release. I found it to be pretty good, except that I couldn't manage to organize my bookmarks the way I wanted them. I went back to safari because I realized that chrome doesn't have anything like the ClickToFlash extension. But the browser seemed to work very well and it was mostly accessible. > > Justin > > > > On May 13, 2011, at 6:12 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > Ok here is my first impressions vid. I hope it has sound lol! Keep in mind all of this could be due to operator error so if I'm wrong I'll do a second impressions but for now I'm not at all pleased. > > link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN32vvPthIA > > Take care all. > > > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 13, 2011, at 5:01 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> a very fast one at that . >> >> >> On 14/05/2011, at 9:05 AM, Chris Moore wrote: >> >>> We now have an alternative to Safari for Web browsing. >>> http://chrome.blogspot.com/2011/05/fancier-graphics-safer-downloads-and.html >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat May 14 06:16:25 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 22:16:25 -0700 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <187D28FF-4C3B-4D7E-AB33-0A57F9C0A758@bresnan.net> References: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> <187D28FF-4C3B-4D7E-AB33-0A57F9C0A758@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <7E97C2A4-2B13-41FF-A4FF-798A5D68DA62@gmail.com> I don't tihnk ms is in charge of google. google is and they have been known to sort of slack off for a while. If my vid were working which it will in about a hour you will see wht I mean. lol! Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 13, 2011, at 9:00 PM, Ed Worrell wrote: > Sara, I agree, it is kinda a microsoft attempt to accessibility. I think it it is a step in the right direction. It isn't there yet though. > > ED > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat May 14 06:46:39 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 22:46:39 -0700 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <187D28FF-4C3B-4D7E-AB33-0A57F9C0A758@bresnan.net> References: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> <187D28FF-4C3B-4D7E-AB33-0A57F9C0A758@bresnan.net> Message-ID: <13F2151A-D891-4B5F-9270-37BAC4B6802E@gmail.com> As promised here is the new link. it will start playing right away and if you have the click to pluggin installed it won't work until you disable that plubin and reload the page but good luck. http://tinypaste.com/2f832 Take care and have fun. This thing is set to go away in 3 days. lol! I might try reuploading it ot youtube if I can get sound from the youtube copy lol! Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 13, 2011, at 9:00 PM, Ed Worrell wrote: > Sara, I agree, it is kinda a microsoft attempt to accessibility. I think it it is a step in the right direction. It isn't there yet though. > > ED > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat May 14 07:19:02 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 16:19:02 +1000 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <1EFCA221-4A93-4F9C-A872-D254FF298EDC@mac-access.net> References: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> <449A7C5C-6857-4AA0-8B0F-0C25B5E9B480@fastmail.us> <1EFCA221-4A93-4F9C-A872-D254FF298EDC@mac-access.net> Message-ID: It does away with that "Busy ready busy" thing yep but I would say - and again prove me wrong - that its not quite there yet when it comes to accessibility and I'd say the same for the Windows version of Chrome too! There's my local TV guide Web page for example, there are links on the page which Chrome just calls "Links" whereas Safari tells you what they are. For some reason on my local TV guide page I can't see the channel numbers with Chrome but I can see them with Safari. On 14/05/2011, at 3:15 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > You know, I am very very tempted to give this a try. Is it really as accessible as Safari and, equally as important, does it do away with the "busy, ready, busy, ready" cycle problem? if so and if there are no hidden catches as in if Google isn't playing tricks on us all trying to get us all sucked into giving them personal data, then it may be an option; just as FireFox is the preferred option of many elsewhere. > > Lynne > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat May 14 07:44:39 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 23:44:39 -0700 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> <449A7C5C-6857-4AA0-8B0F-0C25B5E9B480@fastmail.us> <1EFCA221-4A93-4F9C-A872-D254FF298EDC@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4F8A8F48-1C2C-4ED1-8C71-4A005E2C90DB@gmail.com> Interesting. Like I said it might be my fault something I'm dong wrong but it even as you saw rendered the apple page wrong. lol! and the prefs. forget it! As you saw I was having plenty of issues. Take care. and hope it becomes more usable. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 13, 2011, at 11:19 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > It does away with that "Busy ready busy" thing yep but I would say - and again prove me wrong - that its not quite there yet when it comes to accessibility and I'd say the same for the Windows version of Chrome too! > > There's my local TV guide Web page for example, there are links on the page which Chrome just calls "Links" whereas Safari tells you what they are. > > For some reason on my local TV guide page I can't see the channel numbers with Chrome but I can see them with Safari. > > > On 14/05/2011, at 3:15 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello everybody >> >> You know, I am very very tempted to give this a try. Is it really as accessible as Safari and, equally as important, does it do away with the "busy, ready, busy, ready" cycle problem? if so and if there are no hidden catches as in if Google isn't playing tricks on us all trying to get us all sucked into giving them personal data, then it may be an option; just as FireFox is the preferred option of many elsewhere. >> >> Lynne >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat May 14 07:51:01 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 07:51:01 +0100 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <13F2151A-D891-4B5F-9270-37BAC4B6802E@gmail.com> References: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> <187D28FF-4C3B-4D7E-AB33-0A57F9C0A758@bresnan.net> <13F2151A-D891-4B5F-9270-37BAC4B6802E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <34FB5921-6FAA-4293-A0C2-0307D16411BF@mac-access.net> Hello Sarah On 14 May 2011, at 06:46, Sarah Alawami wrote: ? As promised here is the new link. it will start playing right away and if you have the click to pluggin installed it won't work until you disable that plubin and reload the page but good luck. Is this related to Google Chrome? Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Sat May 14 07:53:03 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 07:53:03 +0100 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> <449A7C5C-6857-4AA0-8B0F-0C25B5E9B480@fastmail.us> <1EFCA221-4A93-4F9C-A872-D254FF298EDC@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <906513E7-A8F9-4D55-8590-A45243C9EEAF@mac-access.net> Hello Dane On 14 May 2011, at 07:19, Dane Trethowan wrote: ? It does away with that "Busy ready busy" thing yep but I would say - and again prove me wrong - that its not quite there yet when it comes to accessibility and I'd say the same for the Windows version of Chrome too! If that's the case we'll leave it alone for the moment. We have quite enough going on around here without getting bobbed down with more things that don't quite work. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat May 14 07:56:44 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 23:56:44 -0700 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <34FB5921-6FAA-4293-A0C2-0307D16411BF@mac-access.net> References: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> <187D28FF-4C3B-4D7E-AB33-0A57F9C0A758@bresnan.net> <13F2151A-D891-4B5F-9270-37BAC4B6802E@gmail.com> <34FB5921-6FAA-4293-A0C2-0307D16411BF@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <40731490-9CD1-4D91-B7F7-AC60326E8E62@gmail.com> Yeah. it' smy first impressions of it. the youtube vid broke lol! Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 13, 2011, at 11:51 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > On 14 May 2011, at 06:46, Sarah Alawami wrote: > > ? As promised here is the new link. it will start playing right away and if you have the click to pluggin installed it won't work until you disable that plubin and reload the page but good luck. > > Is this related to Google Chrome? > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Sat May 14 08:55:43 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 17:55:43 +1000 Subject: changing file tags in itunes In-Reply-To: <903B38D3-88E7-4224-A2B0-7F9ACEFF5380@gmail.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <0B9EE6EE-7B90-45DC-91E3-B5B560B91BB0@gmail.com> <7B2E3596-F0F0-4C8B-9687-1B2C3FB6DBEC@softcon.com> <4DCD6812.6000804@gmail.com> <903B38D3-88E7-4224-A2B0-7F9ACEFF5380@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2931CA73-19A6-4E2B-B68A-644FD2B7E843@bluebottle.com> what is a part of a compalation it asks if it a compalation does that mean like if its part of a book as in one chappter or something like that?if it is how do i get them to follow on one after the other?in windoes i put them all in a folder and had them all named so that they would follow one another wondering if it is possible to achieve the same results here sorry if i not making any sence hope i am On 14/05/2011, at 5:42 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > cmd I on the file in the playlist then change the genre by gogn to info tab. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 13, 2011, at 12:18 PM, krystal watson wrote: > >> um ok i new to this how do i change it? sorry this is going over my head >> On 14/05/2011, at 3:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hello Sarah, >>> >>> No, they don't have to be changed at all. You can just change the music kind under their options, and it's fine. This has always been the case, and they will register as books. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> On 5/13/2011 7:08 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>> Ah in a way you are right but if you want to make them book markable they will have to be changed to m4b format. I've used this format to read the lord of the rings series. >>>> >>>> Take care. >>>> Sarah Alawami >>>> >>>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>>> >>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>>> >>>> On May 13, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: >>>> >>>>> Your audio books can be any format you like (even AIFF) as long as they're properly tagged in itunes, including the track numbers and book titles. >>>>> If all that's done, and they're marked as audio books (in the options screen of itunes, not the info tab) then itunes will treat them as audio books, there's no need to convert them to any particular format to get them to behave like they should. >>>>> hth. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat May 14 08:58:24 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 00:58:24 -0700 Subject: changing file tags in itunes In-Reply-To: <2931CA73-19A6-4E2B-B68A-644FD2B7E843@bluebottle.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <0B9EE6EE-7B90-45DC-91E3-B5B560B91BB0@gmail.com> <7B2E3596-F0F0-4C8B-9687-1B2C3FB6DBEC@softcon.com> <4DCD6812.6000804@gmail.com> <903B38D3-88E7-4224-A2B0-7F9ACEFF5380@gmail.com> <2931CA73-19A6-4E2B-B68A-644FD2B7E843@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: yeah exactly. See a prior mesage wherein I give an example. take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 14, 2011, at 12:55 AM, krystal watson wrote: > what is a part of a compalation it asks if it a compalation does that mean like if its part of a book as in one chappter or something like that?if it is how do i get them to follow on one after the other?in windoes i put them all in a folder and had them all named so that they would follow one another wondering if it is possible to achieve the same results here sorry if i not making any sence hope i am > On 14/05/2011, at 5:42 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> cmd I on the file in the playlist then change the genre by gogn to info tab. >> >> Take care. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On May 13, 2011, at 12:18 PM, krystal watson wrote: >> >>> um ok i new to this how do i change it? sorry this is going over my head >>> On 14/05/2011, at 3:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>> >>>> Hello Sarah, >>>> >>>> No, they don't have to be changed at all. You can just change the music kind under their options, and it's fine. This has always been the case, and they will register as books. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Nic >>>> On 5/13/2011 7:08 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>> Ah in a way you are right but if you want to make them book markable they will have to be changed to m4b format. I've used this format to read the lord of the rings series. >>>>> >>>>> Take care. >>>>> Sarah Alawami >>>>> >>>>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>>>> >>>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>>>> >>>>> On May 13, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Your audio books can be any format you like (even AIFF) as long as they're properly tagged in itunes, including the track numbers and book titles. >>>>>> If all that's done, and they're marked as audio books (in the options screen of itunes, not the info tab) then itunes will treat them as audio books, there's no need to convert them to any particular format to get them to behave like they should. >>>>>> hth. >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Sat May 14 11:17:38 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 12:17:38 +0200 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DCE56C2.2040707@gmail.com> Hi Chris, Indeed we do. I actually think I posted about Chrome a while back on some list or another, perhaps this one. I like it, but it's missing a few things. Of course, I reported that to Google already. Regards, Nic On 5/14/2011 1:05 AM, Chris Moore wrote: > We now have an alternative to Safari for Web browsing. > http://chrome.blogspot.com/2011/05/fancier-graphics-safer-downloads-and.html > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat May 14 11:27:31 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 20:27:31 +1000 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <4DCE56C2.2040707@gmail.com> References: <4DCE56C2.2040707@gmail.com> Message-ID: As I said in my original reply to Chris's message, Chrome is dead fast and the lack of sound feedback didn't bother me, i mean pages loaded in fractions of seconds here, fastest web browser I've worked with. Only problem was that on some web pages I tried Chrome with all I got was "link, link" without any feedback as to what the link actually was. I've gone further with the Mac version of Chrome than the Windows version, at least the select boxes on web sites are accessible with the Mac version . On 14/05/2011, at 8:17 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Indeed we do. I actually think I posted about Chrome a while back on some list or another, perhaps this one. I like it, but it's missing a few things. Of course, I reported that to Google already. > > Regards, > Nic > > On 5/14/2011 1:05 AM, Chris Moore wrote: >> We now have an alternative to Safari for Web browsing. >> http://chrome.blogspot.com/2011/05/fancier-graphics-safer-downloads-and.html >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Sat May 14 11:27:48 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 12:27:48 +0200 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <906513E7-A8F9-4D55-8590-A45243C9EEAF@mac-access.net> References: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> <449A7C5C-6857-4AA0-8B0F-0C25B5E9B480@fastmail.us> <1EFCA221-4A93-4F9C-A872-D254FF298EDC@mac-access.net> <906513E7-A8F9-4D55-8590-A45243C9EEAF@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4DCE5924.2070504@gmail.com> Hello Lynne, The accessibility things are only pretty minor, in my opinion. I've used this for months now, and I've been able to do pretty much everything with it so far. I'll admit that there are some things it can't do, either due to accessibility faults or simply a Google Chrome issue, but you may try Canary which is its new beta. I'll be doing a Youtube video on this later, and I'll include video capturing to improve the understanding of how this works from a sighted perspective, and so it'll be easier to follow for some people. Regards, Nic On 5/14/2011 8:53 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane > > On 14 May 2011, at 07:19, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > ? It does away with that "Busy ready busy" thing yep but I would say - and again prove me wrong - that its not quite there yet when it comes to accessibility and I'd say the same for the Windows version of Chrome too! > > If that's the case we'll leave it alone for the moment. We have quite enough going on around here without getting bobbed down with more things that don't quite work. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat May 14 11:52:58 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 11:52:58 +0100 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <4DCE56C2.2040707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <02203543-DEE8-42FB-94D3-884A65792506@gmail.com> I agree although page summaries don't read even if set pages load so quick. on facebook though when I click comments to read on posts for example on m.facebook.com can't see them but it is certainly fast and no busies here On 14 May 2011, at 11:27, Dane Trethowan wrote: > As I said in my original reply to Chris's message, Chrome is dead fast and the lack of sound feedback didn't bother me, i mean pages loaded in fractions of seconds here, fastest web browser I've worked with. > > Only problem was that on some web pages I tried Chrome with all I got was "link, link" without any feedback as to what the link actually was. > > I've gone further with the Mac version of Chrome than the Windows version, at least the select boxes on web sites are accessible with the Mac version . > > > On 14/05/2011, at 8:17 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > >> Hi Chris, >> >> Indeed we do. I actually think I posted about Chrome a while back on some list or another, perhaps this one. I like it, but it's missing a few things. Of course, I reported that to Google already. >> >> Regards, >> Nic >> >> On 5/14/2011 1:05 AM, Chris Moore wrote: >>> We now have an alternative to Safari for Web browsing. >>> http://chrome.blogspot.com/2011/05/fancier-graphics-safer-downloads-and.html >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Sat May 14 12:16:43 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 12:16:43 +0100 Subject: Sendspace wizard Message-ID: <6238D847-897D-40A4-BCC8-FD40D75388C1@gmail.com> HI does the sendspace wizard work for us on mac OSX? If so I assume I can see the status of an upload/download? From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat May 14 12:24:39 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:24:39 +0200 Subject: Sendspace wizard In-Reply-To: <6238D847-897D-40A4-BCC8-FD40D75388C1@gmail.com> References: <6238D847-897D-40A4-BCC8-FD40D75388C1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Will On 14 May 2011, at 13:16, william lomas wrote: > HI does the sendspace wizard work for us on mac OSX? > If so I assume I can see the status of an upload/download Yes it does, although you need to enable the "Extended VoiceOver compatibility" option in the "Options" menu. Also, although the Wizard is not as Mac-like in feel as it might be, it is I think extremely accessible. You can check the status of uploads/downloads by navigating to the "Transfers" table either with tab or with Option+T. You'll then need to interact and move right across the table to find the info you're looking for. Hope this helps TC :) JAMES > HI does the sendspace wizard work for us on mac OSX? > If so I assume I can see the status of an upload/download? > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat May 14 12:25:27 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 12:25:27 +0100 Subject: Scanning A Document As A PDF Image Message-ID: Hello everybody We have a need to scan a printed and signed legal document into a PDF image rather than text. Does anybody know of an easy way to save such a document on the Mac? We were thinking of DocuScan Plus; but it automatically OCR's the document and that isn't what we want. But we don't want the document as a tif, gif or JPG image, it must be a PDF image. This is quite urgent, so if anybody knows of an easy way to do this I'd be grateful. It's kind of the reverse process to that which most of you would need most of the time, I understand that. But as I say the OCR process is no use on this occasion. DocuScan Plus is a little too smart for my good on this occasion. Lynne From annieskovnielsen at gmail.com Sat May 14 12:32:41 2011 From: annieskovnielsen at gmail.com (Annie Skov Nielsen) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:32:41 +0200 Subject: Scanning A Document As A PDF Image In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6985EAD9-AA8F-4AAA-A490-4A9923C87F4B@gmail.com> Hello Lynne. If you scan your printed material with vuescan, I am quiet sure, you can save it directly as a PDFimage. Best regards Annie. On May 14, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > We have a need to scan a printed and signed legal document into a PDF image rather than text. Does anybody know of an easy way to save such a document on the Mac? We were thinking of DocuScan Plus; but it automatically OCR's the document and that isn't what we want. But we don't want the document as a tif, gif or JPG image, it must be a PDF image. > > This is quite urgent, so if anybody knows of an easy way to do this I'd be grateful. It's kind of the reverse process to that which most of you would need most of the time, I understand that. But as I say the OCR process is no use on this occasion. DocuScan Plus is a little too smart for my good on this occasion. > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat May 14 12:35:43 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:35:43 +0200 Subject: Scanning A Document As A PDF Image In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5018875B-C58F-4D5E-9E2A-A3C4D69D44E0@mac-access.net> Hello Lynne, On 14 May 2011, at 13:25, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > We have a need to scan a printed and signed legal document into a PDF image rather than text. Does anybody know of an easy way to save such a document on the Mac? We were thinking of DocuScan Plus; but it automatically OCR's the document and that isn't what we want. But we don't want the document as a tif, gif or JPG image, it must be a PDF image. Have you tried opening your file in ColorSync? I think we had something similar once and it did exactly this if I remember correctly. Alternatively, I think you could try scanning the file with ABBEY FineReader which will save directly as a PDF. Image Capture may also help you here as I believe you can also save directly into PDF with this app. HTH TC JAMES > Hello everybody > > We have a need to scan a printed and signed legal document into a PDF image rather than text. Does anybody know of an easy way to save such a document on the Mac? We were thinking of DocuScan Plus; but it automatically OCR's the document and that isn't what we want. But we don't want the document as a tif, gif or JPG image, it must be a PDF image. > > This is quite urgent, so if anybody knows of an easy way to do this I'd be grateful. It's kind of the reverse process to that which most of you would need most of the time, I understand that. But as I say the OCR process is no use on this occasion. DocuScan Plus is a little too smart for my good on this occasion. > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Sat May 14 13:05:40 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 02:05:40 -1000 Subject: Scanning A Document As A PDF Image In-Reply-To: <5018875B-C58F-4D5E-9E2A-A3C4D69D44E0@mac-access.net> References: <5018875B-C58F-4D5E-9E2A-A3C4D69D44E0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <64CAF71D-897F-40D7-BDEB-B038A3D491ED@mac.com> Hi Lynne, At the risk of pointing out the obvious, in addition to all these comments about simply using ABBYY FineReader Express, even if you scanned to TIFF etc. if you simply use your computer's ability to save anything as a PDF from the print dialog (Command-P, then use the option to "Save as PDF" from the PDF Menu Button), you will get a PDF image if you start with an image format (TIFF, JPEG, etc.) No need to use anything fancy like DocuScan Plus. Cheers, Esther On May 14, 2011, at 01:35, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > Hello Lynne, > On 14 May 2011, at 13:25, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> We have a need to scan a printed and signed legal document into a PDF image rather than text. Does anybody know of an easy way to save such a document on the Mac? We were thinking of DocuScan Plus; but it automatically OCR's the document and that isn't what we want. But we don't want the document as a tif, gif or JPG image, it must be a PDF image. > > Have you tried opening your file in ColorSync? I think we had something similar once and it did exactly this if I remember correctly. Alternatively, I think you could try scanning the file with ABBEY FineReader which will save directly as a PDF. Image Capture may also help you here as I believe you can also save directly into PDF with this app. > > HTH > TC > JAMES >> Hello everybody >> >> We have a need to scan a printed and signed legal document into a PDF image rather than text. Does anybody know of an easy way to save such a document on the Mac? We were thinking of DocuScan Plus; but it automatically OCR's the document and that isn't what we want. But we don't want the document as a tif, gif or JPG image, it must be a PDF image. >> >> This is quite urgent, so if anybody knows of an easy way to do this I'd be grateful. It's kind of the reverse process to that which most of you would need most of the time, I understand that. But as I say the OCR process is no use on this occasion. DocuScan Plus is a little too smart for my good on this occasion. >> >> Lynne >> From lynne at mac-access.net Sat May 14 13:09:21 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:09:21 +0100 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <40731490-9CD1-4D91-B7F7-AC60326E8E62@gmail.com> References: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> <187D28FF-4C3B-4D7E-AB33-0A57F9C0A758@bresnan.net> <13F2151A-D891-4B5F-9270-37BAC4B6802E@gmail.com> <34FB5921-6FAA-4293-A0C2-0307D16411BF@mac-access.net> <40731490-9CD1-4D91-B7F7-AC60326E8E62@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1170DB5E-151D-4295-BE96-2F30C43AD434@mac-access.net> Hello Sarah OK no problem. Don't worry about it; I was just curious as to how you were doing your videos so I clicked on the link. But I got nothing except a page with a caption space for a video insert. Lynne From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat May 14 13:11:09 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 14:11:09 +0200 Subject: Scanning A Document As A PDF Image In-Reply-To: <64CAF71D-897F-40D7-BDEB-B038A3D491ED@mac.com> References: <5018875B-C58F-4D5E-9E2A-A3C4D69D44E0@mac-access.net> <64CAF71D-897F-40D7-BDEB-B038A3D491ED@mac.com> Message-ID: <8FD55BED-3304-45F1-B905-8C9EC757F371@mac-access.net> Hello Esther, On 14 May 2011, at 14:05, Esther wrote: > At the risk of pointing out the obvious, in addition to all these comments about simply using ABBYY FineReader Express, even if you scanned to TIFF etc. if you simply use your computer's ability to save anything as a PDF from the print dialog As usual, you're absolutely correct. The only reason I didn't mention this was because Lynne said that she did not want a TIFF etc. But that's an excellent tip to remember. TC :) James > Hi Lynne, > > At the risk of pointing out the obvious, in addition to all these comments about simply using ABBYY FineReader Express, even if you scanned to TIFF etc. if you simply use your computer's ability to save anything as a PDF from the print dialog (Command-P, then use the option to "Save as PDF" from the PDF Menu Button), you will get a PDF image if you start with an image format (TIFF, JPEG, etc.) No need to use anything fancy like DocuScan Plus. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On May 14, 2011, at 01:35, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > >> Hello Lynne, >> On 14 May 2011, at 13:25, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >>> We have a need to scan a printed and signed legal document into a PDF image rather than text. Does anybody know of an easy way to save such a document on the Mac? We were thinking of DocuScan Plus; but it automatically OCR's the document and that isn't what we want. But we don't want the document as a tif, gif or JPG image, it must be a PDF image. >> >> Have you tried opening your file in ColorSync? I think we had something similar once and it did exactly this if I remember correctly. Alternatively, I think you could try scanning the file with ABBEY FineReader which will save directly as a PDF. Image Capture may also help you here as I believe you can also save directly into PDF with this app. >> >> HTH >> TC >> JAMES >>> Hello everybody >>> >>> We have a need to scan a printed and signed legal document into a PDF image rather than text. Does anybody know of an easy way to save such a document on the Mac? We were thinking of DocuScan Plus; but it automatically OCR's the document and that isn't what we want. But we don't want the document as a tif, gif or JPG image, it must be a PDF image. >>> >>> This is quite urgent, so if anybody knows of an easy way to do this I'd be grateful. It's kind of the reverse process to that which most of you would need most of the time, I understand that. But as I say the OCR process is no use on this occasion. DocuScan Plus is a little too smart for my good on this occasion. >>> >>> Lynne >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat May 14 13:12:02 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:12:02 +0100 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: References: <4DCE56C2.2040707@gmail.com> Message-ID: <19A5E162-3B0A-4DA3-B6F4-D37702773633@mac-access.net> Hello Dane On 14 May 2011, at 11:27, Dane Trethowan wrote: ? Only problem was that on some web pages I tried Chrome with all I got was "link, link" without any feedback as to what the link actually was. Gordon says it sounds as though those are image links and it isn't picking up the Alt text or longdesc. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Sat May 14 13:15:53 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:15:53 +0100 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <4DCE5924.2070504@gmail.com> References: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> <449A7C5C-6857-4AA0-8B0F-0C25B5E9B480@fastmail.us> <1EFCA221-4A93-4F9C-A872-D254FF298EDC@mac-access.net> <906513E7-A8F9-4D55-8590-A45243C9EEAF@mac-access.net> <4DCE5924.2070504@gmail.com> Message-ID: <07458185-81B3-47FD-8A55-6138F9E70B6E@mac-access.net> Hello Nic On 14 May 2011, at 11:27, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: ? The accessibility things are only pretty minor, in my opinion. I've used this for months now, and I've been able to do pretty much everything with it so far. I'll admit that there are some things it can't do, either due to accessibility faults or simply a Google Chrome issue, but you may try Canary which is its new beta. I'll be doing a Youtube video on this later, and I'll include video capturing to improve the understanding of how this works from a sighted perspective, and so it'll be easier to follow for some people. How are you creating your videos? I'm curious because we're toying with the idea of doing a video podcast on something for Mac Access's podcast section. We don't use that Youtube thing. In fact you'll have to excuse my ignorance; but I don't even fully understand what that is. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Sat May 14 13:18:30 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:18:30 +0100 Subject: Scanning A Document As A PDF Image In-Reply-To: <6985EAD9-AA8F-4AAA-A490-4A9923C87F4B@gmail.com> References: <6985EAD9-AA8F-4AAA-A490-4A9923C87F4B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Annie On 14 May 2011, at 12:32, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: If you scan your printed material with vuescan, I am quiet sure, you can save it directly as a PDFimage. Thank you; I'll go and download it. We do have a license for it. Lynne From moopiecurran at gmail.com Sat May 14 13:20:15 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 08:20:15 -0400 Subject: ssh client for mac Message-ID: Hi, Is there a good and accessible SSH client for the mac? Courtney From lynne at mac-access.net Sat May 14 13:21:16 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:21:16 +0100 Subject: Scanning A Document As A PDF Image In-Reply-To: <5018875B-C58F-4D5E-9E2A-A3C4D69D44E0@mac-access.net> References: <5018875B-C58F-4D5E-9E2A-A3C4D69D44E0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello James On 14 May 2011, at 12:35, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: ? Have you tried opening your file in ColorSync? I think we had something similar once and it did exactly this if I remember correctly. Alternatively, I think you could try scanning the file with ABBEY FineReader which will save directly as a PDF. Image Capture may also help you here as I believe you can also save directly into PDF with this app. I am not sure what you mean by "opening the file". There is no file, James, it's hard copy. We need to scan a printed document into a PDF photo image. Lynne From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Sat May 14 13:21:32 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 14:21:32 +0200 Subject: ssh client for mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <189965FF-6FEB-4894-A1A4-30B1BB6BD2EC@gmail.com> Hello! Why not just use Terminal? It seems to work with no problems here when I'm running SSH. Regards, Nic On May 14, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > Is there a good and accessible SSH client for the mac? > Courtney > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Sat May 14 13:22:16 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:22:16 +0100 Subject: Scanning A Document As A PDF Image In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7655FA51-5913-47F5-B84F-022B3757C89E@blueyonder.co.uk> Scan the image as a JPEG or TIFF, then go to Print and print as a PDF document. Job done. On 14 May 2011, at 12:25, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > We have a need to scan a printed and signed legal document into a PDF image rather than text. Does anybody know of an easy way to save such a document on the Mac? We were thinking of DocuScan Plus; but it automatically OCR's the document and that isn't what we want. But we don't want the document as a tif, gif or JPG image, it must be a PDF image. > > This is quite urgent, so if anybody knows of an easy way to do this I'd be grateful. It's kind of the reverse process to that which most of you would need most of the time, I understand that. But as I say the OCR process is no use on this occasion. DocuScan Plus is a little too smart for my good on this occasion. > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Sat May 14 13:22:15 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 22:22:15 +1000 Subject: changing file tags in itunes In-Reply-To: <53B0A57A-6952-4D1A-B02A-1C943A360966@gmail.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <0B9EE6EE-7B90-45DC-91E3-B5B560B91BB0@gmail.com> <7B2E3596-F0F0-4C8B-9687-1B2C3FB6DBEC@softcon.com> <4DCD6812.6000804@gmail.com> <903B38D3-88E7-4224-A2B0-7F9ACEFF5380@gmail.com> <7FB75A2D-A74B-4262-97CE-FAAD39C9F070@bluebottle.com> <53B0A57A-6952-4D1A-B02A-1C943A360966@gmail.com> Message-ID: <02AC165C-F77C-46DE-A4EE-C1C6D6EE54AC@bluebottle.com> do you have to change it in itunes or can you change the tag any where? On 14/05/2011, at 6:48 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Let's say you have a box set called "like oh my god the best of the 80s" that is various artists on about 7 albums. you want it to keep the title in all albums which would be the one above so you check compilation and there ya go. you usually find these under the best of series. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 13, 2011, at 12:55 PM, krystal watson wrote: > >> thanks smiles what is a compulation >> On 14/05/2011, at 5:42 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> cmd I on the file in the playlist then change the genre by gogn to info tab. >>> >>> Take care. >>> Sarah Alawami >>> >>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>> >>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>> >>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>> >>> On May 13, 2011, at 12:18 PM, krystal watson wrote: >>> >>>> um ok i new to this how do i change it? sorry this is going over my head >>>> On 14/05/2011, at 3:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello Sarah, >>>>> >>>>> No, they don't have to be changed at all. You can just change the music kind under their options, and it's fine. This has always been the case, and they will register as books. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Nic >>>>> On 5/13/2011 7:08 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>> Ah in a way you are right but if you want to make them book markable they will have to be changed to m4b format. I've used this format to read the lord of the rings series. >>>>>> >>>>>> Take care. >>>>>> Sarah Alawami >>>>>> >>>>>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>>>>> >>>>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>>>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>>>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>>>>> >>>>>> On May 13, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Your audio books can be any format you like (even AIFF) as long as they're properly tagged in itunes, including the track numbers and book titles. >>>>>>> If all that's done, and they're marked as audio books (in the options screen of itunes, not the info tab) then itunes will treat them as audio books, there's no need to convert them to any particular format to get them to behave like they should. >>>>>>> hth. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moopiecurran at gmail.com Sat May 14 13:22:31 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 08:22:31 -0400 Subject: ssh client for mac In-Reply-To: <189965FF-6FEB-4894-A1A4-30B1BB6BD2EC@gmail.com> References: <189965FF-6FEB-4894-A1A4-30B1BB6BD2EC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <472C7079-9DC0-4330-9850-8D48A4E8C9C2@gmail.com> Hi, I'm not very good at using terminal, I don't know many commands at all. On 14/05/2011, at 8:21 in the morning, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hello! > > Why not just use Terminal? It seems to work with no problems here when I'm running SSH. > > Regards, > Nic > On May 14, 2011, at 2:20 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > >> Hi, >> Is there a good and accessible SSH client for the mac? >> Courtney >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat May 14 13:23:46 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 14:23:46 +0200 Subject: Scanning A Document As A PDF Image In-Reply-To: References: <5018875B-C58F-4D5E-9E2A-A3C4D69D44E0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <03994C55-CF57-468A-A1BE-603344CC45CC@mac-access.net> Hello Lynne, On 14 May 2011, at 14:21, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > I am not sure what you mean by "opening the file". There is no file, James, it's hard copy. We need to scan a printed document into a PDF photo image. Yes, I understand that. :) Sorry my explanation was not clear. I meant you could open the file after you had scanned it. TC :) James > Hello James > > On 14 May 2011, at 12:35, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > > ? Have you tried opening your file in ColorSync? I think we had something similar once and it did exactly this if I remember correctly. Alternatively, I think you could try scanning the file with ABBEY FineReader which will save directly as a PDF. Image Capture may also help you here as I believe you can also save directly into PDF with this app. > > I am not sure what you mean by "opening the file". There is no file, James, it's hard copy. We need to scan a printed document into a PDF photo image. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat May 14 13:28:14 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:28:14 +0100 Subject: Scanning A Document As A PDF Image In-Reply-To: <64CAF71D-897F-40D7-BDEB-B038A3D491ED@mac.com> References: <5018875B-C58F-4D5E-9E2A-A3C4D69D44E0@mac-access.net> <64CAF71D-897F-40D7-BDEB-B038A3D491ED@mac.com> Message-ID: Hello Esther On 14 May 2011, at 13:05, Esther wrote: ? At the risk of pointing out the obvious, in addition to all these comments about simply using ABBYY FineReader Express, even if you scanned to TIFF etc. if you simply use your computer's ability to save anything as a PDF from the print dialog (Command-P, then use the option to "Save as PDF" from the PDF Menu Button), you will get a PDF image if you start with an image format (TIFF, JPEG, etc.) No need to use anything fancy like DocuScan Plus. OK, talk about overlooking the obvious; I certainly did, didn't I! I was looking too hard and I totally missed that one. My only question here then is am I going to get an image of the same dimensions as the original A4 hard copy? But essentially then, what you're suggesting is scanning using something like Image Capture and then re-saving the output image as a PDf. That makes a lot of sense and I'll definitely try it. If I get a usable image, my only slight problem there is it isn't going to be password protected or anything which would be the ideal circumstance. But perhaps I could then import the PDF or even the TIF image into Pages and re-export as a PDF image. Thank you for the suggestions; I'll go and play around with this idea. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Sat May 14 13:30:50 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:30:50 +0100 Subject: ssh client for mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Courtney On 14 May 2011, at 13:20, Courtney Curran wrote: Hi, Is there a good and accessible SSH client for the mac? Yes, you have one in the Terminal. Otherwise if you need a GUI, try Lynne From moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk Sat May 14 13:34:26 2011 From: moore.c at blueyonder.co.uk (Chris Moore) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 13:34:26 +0100 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <07458185-81B3-47FD-8A55-6138F9E70B6E@mac-access.net> References: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> <449A7C5C-6857-4AA0-8B0F-0C25B5E9B480@fastmail.us> <1EFCA221-4A93-4F9C-A872-D254FF298EDC@mac-access.net> <906513E7-A8F9-4D55-8590-A45243C9EEAF@mac-access.net> <4DCE5924.2070504@gmail.com> <07458185-81B3-47FD-8A55-6138F9E70B6E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <50532033-5695-41F3-A60C-D1822D0EEB40@blueyonder.co.uk> Lynne, YouTube is the biggest site in the world containing video content. This ranges from amateurs uploading content from their mobile phone, to record companies uploading the latest pop video or recently added the ability to watch full films. Even the RNIB post video content there for their products. You could create your own channel / profile so all the videos you guys do can all be found on the same page. Of course you can also create video content for iTunes as a video podcast. But to give you an idea how you could use youTube check out the RNIB page. Even UK government departments are using YOUtube now. http://www.youtube.com/user/rnibuk And of course you don't have to view the content in Flash, you can switch to MPGEG4 Chris On 14 May 2011, at 13:15, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Nic > > On 14 May 2011, at 11:27, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > > ? The accessibility things are only pretty minor, in my opinion. I've used this for months now, and I've been able to do pretty much everything with it so far. I'll admit that there are some things it can't do, either due to accessibility faults or simply a Google Chrome issue, but you may try Canary which is its new beta. I'll be doing a Youtube video on this later, and I'll include video capturing to improve the understanding of how this works from a sighted perspective, and so it'll be easier to follow for some people. > > How are you creating your videos? I'm curious because we're toying with the idea of doing a video podcast on something for Mac Access's podcast section. We don't use that Youtube thing. In fact you'll have to excuse my ignorance; but I don't even fully understand what that is. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat May 14 13:42:01 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 14:42:01 +0200 Subject: Scanning A Document As A PDF Image In-Reply-To: References: <5018875B-C58F-4D5E-9E2A-A3C4D69D44E0@mac-access.net> <64CAF71D-897F-40D7-BDEB-B038A3D491ED@mac.com> Message-ID: <175AD0CB-3F67-4AEC-8417-4E10C0810B86@mac-access.net> Hello Lynne, On 14 May 2011, at 14:28, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > If I get a usable image, my only slight problem there is it isn't going to be password protected or anything which would be the ideal circumstance. But perhaps I could then import the PDF or even the TIF image into Pages and re-export as a PDF image. After importing the document into Pages or Preview, you can then set a password for the document. TC :) James > Hello Esther > > On 14 May 2011, at 13:05, Esther wrote: > > ? At the risk of pointing out the obvious, in addition to all these comments about simply using ABBYY FineReader Express, even if you scanned to TIFF etc. if you simply use your computer's ability to save anything as a PDF from the print dialog (Command-P, then use the option to "Save as PDF" from the PDF Menu Button), you will get a PDF image if you start with an image format (TIFF, JPEG, etc.) No need to use anything fancy like DocuScan Plus. > > OK, talk about overlooking the obvious; I certainly did, didn't I! I was looking too hard and I totally missed that one. > > My only question here then is am I going to get an image of the same dimensions as the original A4 hard copy? But essentially then, what you're suggesting is scanning using something like Image Capture and then re-saving the output image as a PDf. That makes a lot of sense and I'll definitely try it. If I get a usable image, my only slight problem there is it isn't going to be password protected or anything which would be the ideal circumstance. But perhaps I could then import the PDF or even the TIF image into Pages and re-export as a PDF image. > > Thank you for the suggestions; I'll go and play around with this idea. > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Sat May 14 13:49:05 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 08:49:05 -0400 Subject: Where can I find some pod casts Message-ID: <74A1AD2B9DCD472FB14AA869D86EDDB7@DCQ0CYF1> Where can I find some podcasts about using a Mac and/or about using voice over? "The first law of dietetics seems to be if it tastes good, it's bad for you." - Dr. Isaac Asimov tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (that's also my messenger contact) twitter.com/todayinbraille Skype: raleighgirl62 From moriond at mac.com Sat May 14 13:51:41 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 02:51:41 -1000 Subject: Scanning A Document As A PDF Image In-Reply-To: References: <5018875B-C58F-4D5E-9E2A-A3C4D69D44E0@mac-access.net> <64CAF71D-897F-40D7-BDEB-B038A3D491ED@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Lynne, You can also image capture off your screen in any format. The default format is now PNG, but it used to be PDF, and you can change it back. However, when you screen capture you have no control of the resolution, whereas if you print a PDF (image) file from any other displayed image file format (such as one that you have scanned), you can have very high resolution -- whatever you used to scan. The option to change the screen capture format can be set in many maintenance programs, such as the free OnyX application, for example, or it can be changed from the command line in terminal with a "defaults write" statement. But since this doesn't allow you to control the image resolution of your capture, I won't detail it here. Just use the Command-P dialog. I notice that was Chris' first reaction to your post, too. If your default print setting is for A4 paper, and you use the print dialog to create the PDF file, then this will print as an A4 PDF. (This is another advantage over doing a simple screen capture, since you control the output size dimensions as well as the resolution). If you want to password protect the file, I think you can do that with Adobe Acrobat. (I have a copy of Adobe Acrobat version 8 -- not the latest -- that came bundled with some software.) Googling and pasting in the general instructions for password protecting PDF documents, I came up with the following: How to password protect PDF documents or files? ? Open the PDF file in Acrobat ? Select File > Document Security from the menu ? Got to the ?Security Options? drop-down and select ?Acrobat Standard Security? ? Find the box labeled ?Password required to open document? and place a check mark against it. ? Edit or type the password ? You can also add a password requirement for changing permissions or password.To add a a required password check the box against ?required password to change permissions or password? and enter the password. However note that this password must be different from the one that you entered for securing or password protecting the PDF file. ? If you want your PDF document to be password accessible to users with previous versions of Acrobat Reader (versions earlier than 5.0), do not change the 40-bit encryption setting. However if your users or audience will be using version 5 or later versions of the Reader (or the full Acrobat program) then you may use 128-bit encryption. This is probably old, but accurate. So you would create an image of your document (either a direct PDF image option or a TIFF or other image format, then print to PDF), and then secure it. If you have Adobe Acrobat, you should be able to create your PDF from an attached scanner, and password protect it, all by using the program. (I don't usually use this, but it should all work within the program.) HTH. Cheers, Esther Cheers, Esther On May 14, 2011, at 02:28, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Esther > > On 14 May 2011, at 13:05, Esther wrote: > > ? At the risk of pointing out the obvious, in addition to all these comments about simply using ABBYY FineReader Express, even if you scanned to TIFF etc. if you simply use your computer's ability to save anything as a PDF from the print dialog (Command-P, then use the option to "Save as PDF" from the PDF Menu Button), you will get a PDF image if you start with an image format (TIFF, JPEG, etc.) No need to use anything fancy like DocuScan Plus. > > OK, talk about overlooking the obvious; I certainly did, didn't I! I was looking too hard and I totally missed that one. > > My only question here then is am I going to get an image of the same dimensions as the original A4 hard copy? But essentially then, what you're suggesting is scanning using something like Image Capture and then re-saving the output image as a PDf. That makes a lot of sense and I'll definitely try it. If I get a usable image, my only slight problem there is it isn't going to be password protected or anything which would be the ideal circumstance. But perhaps I could then import the PDF or even the TIF image into Pages and re-export as a PDF image. > > Thank you for the suggestions; I'll go and play around with this idea. > > Lynne > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat May 14 14:07:57 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 14:07:57 +0100 Subject: Scanning A Document As A PDF Image In-Reply-To: <175AD0CB-3F67-4AEC-8417-4E10C0810B86@mac-access.net> References: <5018875B-C58F-4D5E-9E2A-A3C4D69D44E0@mac-access.net> <64CAF71D-897F-40D7-BDEB-B038A3D491ED@mac.com> <175AD0CB-3F67-4AEC-8417-4E10C0810B86@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello James On 14 May 2011, at 13:42, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: ? After importing the document into Pages or Preview, you can then set a password for the document. I knew you could in Pages, but not Preview. OK; time to close Mail and go get this job done. Lynne From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat May 14 14:09:20 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 15:09:20 +0200 Subject: Where can I find some pod casts In-Reply-To: <74A1AD2B9DCD472FB14AA869D86EDDB7@DCQ0CYF1> References: <74A1AD2B9DCD472FB14AA869D86EDDB7@DCQ0CYF1> Message-ID: <9F4F8F28-E979-461E-87ED-C7F047864602@mac-access.net> Hello Tracy On 14 May 2011, at 14:49, Tracy wrote: > Where can I find some podcasts about using a Mac and/or about using voice over? Have you tried www.blindcooltech.com Mike Arigo a list member has recorded several such podcasts, as have others. TC :) James > Where can I find some podcasts about using a Mac and/or about using voice over? > > "The first law of dietetics seems to be if it tastes good, it's bad for you." - Dr. Isaac Asimov > > tracyduffy at nc.rr.com > (that's also my messenger contact) > twitter.com/todayinbraille > Skype: raleighgirl62 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Sat May 14 14:10:49 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 14:10:49 +0100 Subject: Scanning A Document As A PDF Image In-Reply-To: References: <5018875B-C58F-4D5E-9E2A-A3C4D69D44E0@mac-access.net> <64CAF71D-897F-40D7-BDEB-B038A3D491ED@mac.com> Message-ID: <71A7D873-6B46-433C-9D95-D4744D62DE20@mac-access.net> Hello Esther On 14 May 2011, at 13:51, Esther wrote: ? You can also image capture off your screen in any format. The default format is now PNG, but it used to be PDF, and you can change it back. However, when you screen capture you have no control of the resolution, whereas if you print a PDF (image) file from any other displayed image file format (such as one that you have scanned), you can have very high resolution -- whatever you used to scan. That was actually the very first thing I thought of before even posting. I tried it but it was a disaster. As you say you have no control of the output resolution and the final results were dreadful so I gave that idea up. Lynne From TOMLJONES at EARTHLINK.NET Sat May 14 15:28:10 2011 From: TOMLJONES at EARTHLINK.NET (Tom Jones) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 09:28:10 -0500 Subject: Finder Navigation - Use of Arrows Changed. Message-ID: While in finder, two vo+rights from the sidebar in the browser side and In "column view"until about 3 or 4 days ago, I was able to open and close finder folders (applications, for example). Something has changed and now, the only way for me to access my "home" folder from the top of the applications folder is to use the command+shift+h command. Prior behavior allowed me to use the left-arrow to close the applications folder and arrow down past the "library" folder, etc. and go down to the users folder and right-arrow (opening it) and arrow down till finding the desired file or folder. Sorry about the length of this, but I couldn't figure a better way to get enough information to you to be able to understand the issue. I'd like to know what setting to change to restore what I might call "tree-view" navigation. I have seen other Macs behave as mine does now, so some of you might say "what's he talking about?" Thanks, in advance, for any responses. From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Sat May 14 15:44:04 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 10:44:04 -0400 Subject: Where can I find some pod casts References: <74A1AD2B9DCD472FB14AA869D86EDDB7@DCQ0CYF1> <9F4F8F28-E979-461E-87ED-C7F047864602@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <7E162453329D4282BDB04A5B837FBB72@DCQ0CYF1> Thank you. I had not. I will go there. Much appreciated. "The first law of dietetics seems to be if it tastes good, it's bad for you." - Dr. Isaac Asimov tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (that's also my messenger contact) twitter.com/todayinbraille Skype: raleighgirl62 ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES AUSTIN" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 9:09 AM Subject: Re: Where can I find some pod casts > Hello Tracy > On 14 May 2011, at 14:49, Tracy wrote: >> Where can I find some podcasts about using a Mac and/or about using voice >> over? > Have you tried www.blindcooltech.com > > Mike Arigo a list member has recorded several such podcasts, as have > others. > > TC :) > James >> Where can I find some podcasts about using a Mac and/or about using voice >> over? >> >> "The first law of dietetics seems to be if it tastes good, it's bad for >> you." - Dr. Isaac Asimov >> >> tracyduffy at nc.rr.com >> (that's also my messenger contact) >> twitter.com/todayinbraille >> Skype: raleighgirl62 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Sat May 14 16:09:57 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 10:09:57 -0500 Subject: Where can I find some pod casts In-Reply-To: <74A1AD2B9DCD472FB14AA869D86EDDB7@DCQ0CYF1> References: <74A1AD2B9DCD472FB14AA869D86EDDB7@DCQ0CYF1> Message-ID: <3994D6B4-63AE-4CEA-A39F-F9EB9D6DF353@charter.net> Check out blindcooltech.com, I've done 13 of them I think, I've actually lost count, smile. On May 14, 2011, at 7:49 AM, Tracy wrote: > Where can I find some podcasts about using a Mac and/or about using voice over? > > "The first law of dietetics seems to be if it tastes good, it's bad for you." - Dr. Isaac Asimov > > tracyduffy at nc.rr.com > (that's also my messenger contact) > twitter.com/todayinbraille > Skype: raleighgirl62 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From annieskovnielsen at gmail.com Sat May 14 16:20:28 2011 From: annieskovnielsen at gmail.com (Annie Skov Nielsen) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 17:20:28 +0200 Subject: Scanning A Document As A PDF Image In-Reply-To: References: <6985EAD9-AA8F-4AAA-A490-4A9923C87F4B@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7519848F-F02A-4B7B-89C6-E1F546B55272@gmail.com> Hi Lynn. I checked it out, if you go to the output preferences, you can choose it there. Vuescan does a very good job, if you get any problems, please let me know. Best regards Annie. On May 14, 2011, at 2:18 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Annie > > On 14 May 2011, at 12:32, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: > > If you scan your printed material with vuescan, I am quiet sure, you can save it directly as a PDFimage. > > Thank you; I'll go and download it. We do have a license for it. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From smur7241 at bigpond.net.au Sat May 14 19:48:08 2011 From: smur7241 at bigpond.net.au (Sean Murphy) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 04:48:08 +1000 Subject: cisco packet tracer References: <69BFB6BB8C604771A85414935614A2C9@dougPC> Message-ID: <90B8543EB84C4DCE9409F0EAACE6C7F3@seans> Hi tcpdump or tshark. Sean----- Original Message ----- From: "douglas rudolph" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 11:12 AM Subject: cisco packet tracer > hey, do any of you know about an accessible packet tracer? > This email may contain personal identifyable information. Copy, relay, > redistributions, and or reading of these emails is strictly prohibited, > unless you are the intended recipiant of this email, and this intended > recipiant only. If this is not the intended recipiant, then you are > requested to delete this message immediately and notify sender. > Douglas Rudolph > Tel: 1306-565-2056 > Cell: 1306-209-2823 > Email: doug.cam3 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From smur7241 at bigpond.net.au Sat May 14 19:49:04 2011 From: smur7241 at bigpond.net.au (Sean Murphy) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 04:49:04 +1000 Subject: cisco packet tracer References: <69BFB6BB8C604771A85414935614A2C9@dougPC> Message-ID: <4579C9F24256477094269F57C61E3FD7@seans> Hi Also certain version of IOS (Cisco) has packet capture in it. Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: "douglas rudolph" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 11:12 AM Subject: cisco packet tracer > hey, do any of you know about an accessible packet tracer? > This email may contain personal identifyable information. Copy, relay, > redistributions, and or reading of these emails is strictly prohibited, > unless you are the intended recipiant of this email, and this intended > recipiant only. If this is not the intended recipiant, then you are > requested to delete this message immediately and notify sender. > Douglas Rudolph > Tel: 1306-565-2056 > Cell: 1306-209-2823 > Email: doug.cam3 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat May 14 20:20:19 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 12:20:19 -0700 Subject: Finder Navigation - Use of Arrows Changed. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8007CB62-3574-482C-9E7B-538699F9CFC1@gmail.com> Hello. change the view. hit cmd 1 for I believe it's image browser cmd 2 for list and cmd 3 for I believe cover. I only use the first 2. cmd 1 will allow you to do what you want. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 14, 2011, at 7:28 AM, Tom Jones wrote: > While in finder, two vo+rights from the sidebar in the browser side and In "column view"until about 3 or 4 days ago, I was able to open and close finder folders (applications, for example). Something has changed and now, the only way for me to access my "home" folder from the top of the applications folder is to use the command+shift+h command. Prior behavior allowed me to use the left-arrow to close the applications folder and arrow down past the "library" folder, etc. and go down to the users folder and right-arrow (opening it) and arrow down till finding the desired file or folder. > > Sorry about the length of this, but I couldn't figure a better way to get enough information to you to be able to understand the issue. I'd like to know what setting to change to restore what I might call "tree-view" navigation. I have seen other Macs behave as mine does now, so some of you might say "what's he talking about?" > Thanks, in advance, for any responses. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat May 14 20:21:42 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 12:21:42 -0700 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <4DCE5924.2070504@gmail.com> References: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> <449A7C5C-6857-4AA0-8B0F-0C25B5E9B480@fastmail.us> <1EFCA221-4A93-4F9C-A872-D254FF298EDC@mac-access.net> <906513E7-A8F9-4D55-8590-A45243C9EEAF@mac-access.net> <4DCE5924.2070504@gmail.com> Message-ID: Try goign ot http://www.youtube.com and try uploading a vid. you will hear from my vid if it made it using that tiny paste link that it would not let me arase my search field or let me upload a vid because the upload ting never activated. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 14, 2011, at 3:27 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hello Lynne, > > The accessibility things are only pretty minor, in my opinion. I've used this for months now, and I've been able to do pretty much everything with it so far. I'll admit that there are some things it can't do, either due to accessibility faults or simply a Google Chrome issue, but you may try Canary which is its new beta. I'll be doing a Youtube video on this later, and I'll include video capturing to improve the understanding of how this works from a sighted perspective, and so it'll be easier to follow for some people. > > Regards, > Nic > On 5/14/2011 8:53 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> Hello Dane >> >> On 14 May 2011, at 07:19, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >> ? It does away with that "Busy ready busy" thing yep but I would say - and again prove me wrong - that its not quite there yet when it comes to accessibility and I'd say the same for the Windows version of Chrome too! >> >> If that's the case we'll leave it alone for the moment. We have quite enough going on around here without getting bobbed down with more things that don't quite work. >> >> Lynne >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat May 14 20:22:10 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 12:22:10 -0700 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <1170DB5E-151D-4295-BE96-2F30C43AD434@mac-access.net> References: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> <187D28FF-4C3B-4D7E-AB33-0A57F9C0A758@bresnan.net> <13F2151A-D891-4B5F-9270-37BAC4B6802E@gmail.com> <34FB5921-6FAA-4293-A0C2-0307D16411BF@mac-access.net> <40731490-9CD1-4D91-B7F7-AC60326E8E62@gmail.com> <1170DB5E-151D-4295-BE96-2F30C43AD434@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <516FC601-9ADA-4236-8C83-3D89CBF426CE@gmail.com> Ok? odd? you should have gotten a flash thing if you are usign click to extention. a lot of people got the vid to play. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 14, 2011, at 5:09 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Sarah > > OK no problem. Don't worry about it; I was just curious as to how you were doing your videos so I clicked on the link. But I got nothing except a page with a caption space for a video insert. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat May 14 20:23:35 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 12:23:35 -0700 Subject: Google Chrome In-Reply-To: <07458185-81B3-47FD-8A55-6138F9E70B6E@mac-access.net> References: <1FFA625D-2FE0-4DBE-A815-8F489A9FD54A@internode.on.net> <9EDE3BD9-7CF9-4FA2-B39C-2C1A7CC92E4A@gmail.com> <449A7C5C-6857-4AA0-8B0F-0C25B5E9B480@fastmail.us> <1EFCA221-4A93-4F9C-A872-D254FF298EDC@mac-access.net> <906513E7-A8F9-4D55-8590-A45243C9EEAF@mac-access.net> <4DCE5924.2070504@gmail.com> <07458185-81B3-47FD-8A55-6138F9E70B6E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <654C61FF-FD0A-46B5-A9A0-5DA35B50945E@gmail.com> Youtube is a way of showoing videos publically or privitally. Here is the real link to the vid now. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1672188/google%20croam%20just%20lost%20it%27s%20shine.mov I use quick time and the screen recording feature. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 14, 2011, at 5:15 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Nic > > On 14 May 2011, at 11:27, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > > ? The accessibility things are only pretty minor, in my opinion. I've used this for months now, and I've been able to do pretty much everything with it so far. I'll admit that there are some things it can't do, either due to accessibility faults or simply a Google Chrome issue, but you may try Canary which is its new beta. I'll be doing a Youtube video on this later, and I'll include video capturing to improve the understanding of how this works from a sighted perspective, and so it'll be easier to follow for some people. > > How are you creating your videos? I'm curious because we're toying with the idea of doing a video podcast on something for Mac Access's podcast section. We don't use that Youtube thing. In fact you'll have to excuse my ignorance; but I don't even fully understand what that is. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat May 14 20:24:18 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 12:24:18 -0700 Subject: changing file tags in itunes In-Reply-To: <02AC165C-F77C-46DE-A4EE-C1C6D6EE54AC@bluebottle.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <0B9EE6EE-7B90-45DC-91E3-B5B560B91BB0@gmail.com> <7B2E3596-F0F0-4C8B-9687-1B2C3FB6DBEC@softcon.com> <4DCD6812.6000804@gmail.com> <903B38D3-88E7-4224-A2B0-7F9ACEFF5380@gmail.com> <7FB75A2D-A74B-4262-97CE-FAAD39C9F070@bluebottle.com> <53B0A57A-6952-4D1A-B02A-1C943A360966@gmail.com> <02AC165C-F77C-46DE-A4EE-C1C6D6EE54AC@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: <88A6A2E2-9B98-45AC-A6C4-6ACC1567CC18@gmail.com> No it has to be itunes. unless there's another taging program I dunno about. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 14, 2011, at 5:22 AM, krystal watson wrote: > do you have to change it in itunes or can you change the tag any where? > On 14/05/2011, at 6:48 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Let's say you have a box set called "like oh my god the best of the 80s" that is various artists on about 7 albums. you want it to keep the title in all albums which would be the one above so you check compilation and there ya go. you usually find these under the best of series. >> >> Take care. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On May 13, 2011, at 12:55 PM, krystal watson wrote: >> >>> thanks smiles what is a compulation >>> On 14/05/2011, at 5:42 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> >>>> cmd I on the file in the playlist then change the genre by gogn to info tab. >>>> >>>> Take care. >>>> Sarah Alawami >>>> >>>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>>> >>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>>> >>>> On May 13, 2011, at 12:18 PM, krystal watson wrote: >>>> >>>>> um ok i new to this how do i change it? sorry this is going over my head >>>>> On 14/05/2011, at 3:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello Sarah, >>>>>> >>>>>> No, they don't have to be changed at all. You can just change the music kind under their options, and it's fine. This has always been the case, and they will register as books. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> Nic >>>>>> On 5/13/2011 7:08 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>>>>>> Ah in a way you are right but if you want to make them book markable they will have to be changed to m4b format. I've used this format to read the lord of the rings series. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Take care. >>>>>>> Sarah Alawami >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>>>>>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>>>>>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On May 13, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Your audio books can be any format you like (even AIFF) as long as they're properly tagged in itunes, including the track numbers and book titles. >>>>>>>> If all that's done, and they're marked as audio books (in the options screen of itunes, not the info tab) then itunes will treat them as audio books, there's no need to convert them to any particular format to get them to behave like they should. >>>>>>>> hth. >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Sat May 14 20:42:27 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 20:42:27 +0100 Subject: New Member Welcome Message-ID: <9DC698BC-7574-4010-A164-41DAF39B0AD0@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Please do not reply to this thread on list unless your reply has a direct relevance to their Mac use or interest. It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome John Turley to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but have a keen interest. We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope this clarifies the position. If you have any list-related queries, please do not hesitate to contact either Gordon and myself, (the list owners), at , or one of our very capable assistant list controllers; Anne Robertson, or James Austin, and we will be happy to help you. Once again, a very warm welcome to the group. We hope you find your membership an enjoyable experience. Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Sat May 14 21:33:29 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 21:33:29 +0100 Subject: Scanning A Document As A PDF Image In-Reply-To: <7519848F-F02A-4B7B-89C6-E1F546B55272@gmail.com> References: <6985EAD9-AA8F-4AAA-A490-4A9923C87F4B@gmail.com> <7519848F-F02A-4B7B-89C6-E1F546B55272@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Annie On 14 May 2011, at 16:20, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: ? I checked it out, if you go to the output preferences, you can choose it there. Vuescan does a very good job, if you get any problems, please let me know. Thank you for going to so much trouble on my behalf. Actually for some peculiar reason, our scanner is no longer being seen by OSX, despite the fact that it was visible last week. So; it looks like I'm going to have to go and hunt down the driver on the Canaon website again. I have absolutely no idea why this is happening because last week it was fine. But I also need to try the obvious solution which Esther came up with earlier to see which gives me the best results. it may be that using Vuescan, Abbyy FineReaser Express, etc., could be a case of using a sledge-hammer to crack a nut! Once again, many thanks. Lynne Best regards Annie. On May 14, 2011, at 2:18 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Annie > > On 14 May 2011, at 12:32, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: > > If you scan your printed material with vuescan, I am quiet sure, you can save it directly as a PDFimage. > > Thank you; I'll go and download it. We do have a license for it. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Sat May 14 21:37:01 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 21:37:01 +0100 Subject: cisco packet tracer In-Reply-To: <90B8543EB84C4DCE9409F0EAACE6C7F3@seans> References: <69BFB6BB8C604771A85414935614A2C9@dougPC> <90B8543EB84C4DCE9409F0EAACE6C7F3@seans> Message-ID: <86E8C949-EF7A-477A-A8E2-3C0BDF119D82@mac-access.net> We use Sustworks.com IPRouterx. I don't understand the ins and outs but Gordon tells me that it allows you to specify more than one route for IP packets by replacing the standard BSD IP routing stack with a modified version. It also contains a far more advanced firewall than the OSX/LINUX default one, with output logs which are as verbose as you want them, or otherwise. Lynne From billd at insightbb.com Sat May 14 21:38:00 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 16:38:00 -0400 Subject: Where can I find some pod casts In-Reply-To: <74A1AD2B9DCD472FB14AA869D86EDDB7@DCQ0CYF1> References: <74A1AD2B9DCD472FB14AA869D86EDDB7@DCQ0CYF1> Message-ID: <27D6DE82-5F9C-425A-882A-D9D5B52524CA@insightbb.com> Hello, when I got started i found some on Blind cool tech.com I found them to be very helpful. Bill Deatherage From support at mac-access.net Sat May 14 21:53:20 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 21:53:20 +0100 Subject: Subject Lines; [Re-Re-Re-Re-Revisited] Message-ID: <9F88F1BD-0706-4BA8-9F31-5BAF74063052@mac-access.net> Hello evberybody This message is to let you know that we are going to be tightening up on subject lines on this list from now on. People are experiencing difficulties using our mail archives due to members using inappropriate or erroneous subject lines for their messages. The whole point of the archives is to maintain a searchable and useable database of all content posted to the group in a calendar month. But that facility is becoming a bit of shambles because of this persistent abuse. We've all done it, including both Gordon and myself; so we are not trying to attach blame to any specific individual. But from this point onward, persistent offenders will be placed in moderation until their practices and procedures improve. Please, don't come back to us with the usual "But on this list, we do it this way; blah blah blah". We're simply not interested in how other lists or groups function. This is Mac Access, not Mac Visionaries or any other Google Group. Your cooperation would be very much appreciated; but non-cooperation will result in action. We are sorry it's come to this point; but repeated requests are simply being ignored. We think that, in time, people will come to understand that this is being done for a reason, and it will benefit us all in the end. By all means contact us off list if you wish to comment or ask questions. Gordon is in the process of updating list policy again. Lynne From roger.firman at btinternet.com Sat May 14 22:13:56 2011 From: roger.firman at btinternet.com (Roger Firman) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 22:13:56 +0100 Subject: Shortcut keys for adding accented letters and symbols Message-ID: Hello, I am wondering if there are quick ways of adding accented letters and other symbols to email messages or documents? On the PC there is the option of using the Alt-hey plus a string of characters, is there an equivalent on the Mac? Regards, Roger. From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Sun May 15 00:03:36 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 00:03:36 +0100 Subject: Shortcut keys for adding accented letters and symbols In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <789DBCED-FBFD-4AF9-9DE9-9C8EB267F4BC@gmail.com> Hi Roger! Here's a post from that great Lady! Esther I use the Option key combinations to generate special characters. I'll paste in a short excerpt from a reply that I made to Kevin Minor (actually, he asked about typing French using an Apple Bluetooth Keyboard on his iPhone, but the answer is applicable -- I'll leave out the part describing switching to a French or Canadian French input keyboard). There's a much longer list of special characters out there (and previously posted). My favourite is Option-Shift-K, which generates the Apple sign (?). A lot of people use the bullet symbol, Option-asterisk (?). I don't try to insert any special characters from the Character Viewer now. I have a much longer list of special symbols that has been posted before -- but you probably don't want the long list of special math symbols. You can either switch to a French language input keyboard or type accented characters and special symbols using keyboard shortcut combinations that involved holding down the Option key. This is described in several posts on the macvisionaries list, but I'll paste in a quick summary here of Option key combinations to type accented characters with a subset excerpted from the Mac list posts: acute accent - Option-e grave accent - Option-accent sign (on an Engish input keyboard, this is the leftmost key below escape and above tab) circumflex accent - Option-i diaeresis - Option-u tilde - Option-n The above group of keys are "dead keys". You need to type the accented letter after the Option+letter combination, so to type an "e" with an acute accent you press the Option+e keys, release, and then type the letter "e". If you press "Return" without typing a letter, you simply get the accent mark. Other accents that are closely associated with particular letters are not "dead keys"; pressing the two key combination generates the special character: German eszett or sharp ess - Option-s Nordic slashed o - Option-o C with cedilla - Option-c "oe ligature" - Option-q For punctuation, you can also use the keyboard shortcuts (for the inverted exclamation and question mark of Spanish, and for specialised quotation marks): ? inverted exclamation mark Option+1 ? inverted question mark Option+Shift+slash (Shift+/ is question mark) ? left single quotation mark Option+right bracket ? right single quotation mark Option+Shift+right bracket ? left double quotation mark Option+left bracket ? right double quotation mark Option+Shift+left bracket ? left pointing double angle quotation mark Option+backslash ? right pointing double angle quotation mark Option+Shift+backslash ? single left pointing angle quotation mark Option+Shift+3 ? single right pointing angle quotation mark Option+Shift+4 And for the Euro and copyright symbols: ? Euro Option+Shift+2 (on a British keyboard this is Option+2) ? copyright Option+g HTH. Cheers, Esther And Colin I'm far too bad for Heaven! The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! On 14 May 2011, at 22:13, Roger Firman wrote: > Hello, > > I am wondering if there are quick ways of adding accented letters and other > symbols to email messages or documents? > > On the PC there is the option of using the Alt-hey plus a string of > characters, is there an equivalent on the Mac? > > Regards, > > Roger. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Sun May 15 02:06:44 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 02:06:44 +0100 Subject: iTunes Movement; Mystery Resolved Message-ID: <2BABEEC0-0CDB-4786-B0CE-B4E166B4750E@mac-access.net> hello everybody Well, this could have been me; I don't know. But I have just resolved the mystery of our iTunes Movement problem. I had, for some reason, got the idea into my head that the hot key for moving by chapters in an audio book was Command+Option+left/right cursor keys when, in actual fact, the combination should have been Command+Shift+Left/Right cursor keys. I did mention the combination of keys on list; but nobody picked it up it would seem. Our books are properly created, including chapter markers, media type, artist and album, disk numbers, release date, album artists, comments and Genre. So there is no reason why iTunes shouldn't handle them and so, with the correct key combinations applied, it does. Anyway; I don't know whether that combination has changed in a recent version or, more likely I think, it was simply user error on my part which created the issue; and nobody on list picked up my error. It was just by chance that I stumbled upon the correct combinations when randomly pressing keys just now to see what they would do. Lynne From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Sun May 15 02:16:21 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 21:16:21 -0400 Subject: Media playing options for Mac? Message-ID: <303B22DF20774B0180069B3FB7E797F7@DCQ0CYF1> What options do I have with a Mac for media playing? As a windows user I am most happy with winamp. Is there a winamp version for Mac or what other options do I have? Thanks. "The first law of dietetics seems to be if it tastes good, it's bad for you." - Dr. Isaac Asimov tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (that's also my messenger contact) twitter.com/todayinbraille Skype: raleighgirl62 From lynne at mac-access.net Sun May 15 02:28:25 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 02:28:25 +0100 Subject: Media playing options for Mac? In-Reply-To: <303B22DF20774B0180069B3FB7E797F7@DCQ0CYF1> References: <303B22DF20774B0180069B3FB7E797F7@DCQ0CYF1> Message-ID: <4A6E3536-FFD2-4884-B7AF-BCD93AEF4B0A@mac-access.net> Hello Tracy On 15 May 2011, at 02:16, Tracy wrote: ? What options do I have with a Mac for media playing? As a windows user I am most happy with winamp. Is there a winamp version for Mac or what other options do I have? Thanks. May I give you a small piece of advice? Don't make comparisons between Windoiws and Mac OS X. It's also a bad idea to try to cling to what you're used too, although I understand the inclination to do that. But to answer your questions; most people use iTunes which is very very accessible. But there is also a very good implementation of VLC for Mac OS. But Winamp, no; not a version which is accessible or nearly as powerful as its Windows cousin anyway. I hope that helps. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Sun May 15 02:33:26 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 02:33:26 +0100 Subject: More On Scanning Documents to Images Message-ID: <84550247-B7B6-4256-AEFA-CE6F2BE609BE@mac-access.net> Hello everybody OK, I just tried the suggestion which Esther made regarding printing a scanned image to a PdF file. Whilst it works, it's not at all the same as the real image I scanned. The primary problem with this is the page fit. Printing in this way doesn't seem to take account of the image size. So what should have been like an A4 image turned out to be an A4 plus about another A5 image. So it would seem that I'm going to have to use the OCTR solution after all. When I re-printed the newly created PDF, it just wasn't right. So I don't know what happened; and I'm not saying that Esther's suggestion isn't a good one. But it doesn't always seem to give you an exact copy of the original. Lynne From n0oxy at charter.net Sun May 15 03:06:25 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 21:06:25 -0500 Subject: Media playing options for Mac? In-Reply-To: <303B22DF20774B0180069B3FB7E797F7@DCQ0CYF1> References: <303B22DF20774B0180069B3FB7E797F7@DCQ0CYF1> Message-ID: <004D8A1A-CA7A-48FF-8C83-2C6C7A5A2DE4@charter.net> Winamp isn't available for the mac I don't think, but there is an app that does something similar, it pretty much plays everything, it's called vlc player. On May 14, 2011, at 8:16 PM, Tracy wrote: > What options do I have with a Mac for media playing? As a windows user I am most happy with winamp. Is there a winamp version for Mac or what other options do I have? Thanks. > > "The first law of dietetics seems to be if it tastes good, it's bad for you." - Dr. Isaac Asimov > > tracyduffy at nc.rr.com > (that's also my messenger contact) > twitter.com/todayinbraille > Skype: raleighgirl62 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun May 15 03:54:08 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 19:54:08 -0700 Subject: iTunes Movement; Mystery Resolved In-Reply-To: <2BABEEC0-0CDB-4786-B0CE-B4E166B4750E@mac-access.net> References: <2BABEEC0-0CDB-4786-B0CE-B4E166B4750E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <712D0B6B-F27D-4283-BC77-BB1E9A2627AE@gmail.com> Oh oops? I didn't know about that keybotard shortcut. thanks for that. lol! Glad you got it solved. I've been having a lot of operater oopsys all week so don't feel too bad lol! Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 14, 2011, at 6:06 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > hello everybody > > Well, this could have been me; I don't know. But I have just resolved the mystery of our iTunes Movement problem. I had, for some reason, got the idea into my head that the hot key for moving by chapters in an audio book was Command+Option+left/right cursor keys when, in actual fact, the combination should have been Command+Shift+Left/Right cursor keys. > > I did mention the combination of keys on list; but nobody picked it up it would seem. Our books are properly created, including chapter markers, media type, artist and album, disk numbers, release date, album artists, comments and Genre. So there is no reason why iTunes shouldn't handle them and so, with the correct key combinations applied, it does. > > Anyway; I don't know whether that combination has changed in a recent version or, more likely I think, it was simply user error on my part which created the issue; and nobody on list picked up my error. It was just by chance that I stumbled upon the correct combinations when randomly pressing keys just now to see what they would do. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun May 15 04:25:08 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 20:25:08 -0700 Subject: my google video is now fixed. Message-ID: Ok I tested the new upload and it has sound. don't ask me what happened. I dunno. this happens on occasion. It is the same vid but anyway here is the link. I sure hope it gets better as I see some potential. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvVIaoB6hYI Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 15 04:58:54 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 22:58:54 -0500 Subject: Indie Devs Get Hit With Lawsuit Threats Over In-App Purchases In-Reply-To: <4994ADCA-6185-4FE0-8F6B-018B5E4DD2D6@gmail.com> References: <4994ADCA-6185-4FE0-8F6B-018B5E4DD2D6@gmail.com> Message-ID: I haven't checked, but I thought that a patent only protected against competetors for a period of 5 years. Is that incorrect? If that is right, then this one has already expired, and there's no legal precedent for them to do anything. Is a patent in the us protection for longer than 5 years? From cjsims at me.com Sun May 15 05:05:14 2011 From: cjsims at me.com (Christopher Sims) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 14:05:14 +1000 Subject: iTunes Movement; Mystery Resolved In-Reply-To: <2BABEEC0-0CDB-4786-B0CE-B4E166B4750E@mac-access.net> References: <2BABEEC0-0CDB-4786-B0CE-B4E166B4750E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <057BF44A-5091-4886-9267-BD047B36F7E4@me.com> Glad you got it sorted. Christopher Sims E: Cjsims at me.com Phone H: 0396505646 phone M:0418558275 skype: cjsims3000 On 15/05/2011, at 11:06 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > hello everybody > > Well, this could have been me; I don't know. But I have just resolved the mystery of our iTunes Movement problem. I had, for some reason, got the idea into my head that the hot key for moving by chapters in an audio book was Command+Option+left/right cursor keys when, in actual fact, the combination should have been Command+Shift+Left/Right cursor keys. > > I did mention the combination of keys on list; but nobody picked it up it would seem. Our books are properly created, including chapter markers, media type, artist and album, disk numbers, release date, album artists, comments and Genre. So there is no reason why iTunes shouldn't handle them and so, with the correct key combinations applied, it does. > > Anyway; I don't know whether that combination has changed in a recent version or, more likely I think, it was simply user error on my part which created the issue; and nobody on list picked up my error. It was just by chance that I stumbled upon the correct combinations when randomly pressing keys just now to see what they would do. > > Lynne > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 15 05:08:49 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 23:08:49 -0500 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: <5E893B23-2B20-4066-92F1-4081E8AF0B54@bluebottle.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <5E893B23-2B20-4066-92F1-4081E8AF0B54@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: <83537F7C-BF2E-4DED-9F69-0B1A00D2BB4C@softcon.com> On May 13, 2011, at 2:14 PM, krystal watson wrote: > so if i turn off keep my music organized i can still play it and > move it where i want it? > Yes you can. If you don't have Itunes do the organizing, you can leave your files anywhere you like. After they're added to itunes, copying them around will cause problems, but moving them will not, because of the way itunes identifies the files. If you move files across file systems though, be prepared for some issues. Apparently, there's some bugs with the process. I've lost several files this way (though they don't actually disappear right away, sometimes it takes a reboot) But anyhow, the short answer to your question is yes, turning off itunes organization will keep your files where you put them, and still play them properly. Hope this helps. From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 15 05:11:40 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 23:11:40 -0500 Subject: changing file tags in itunes In-Reply-To: <903B38D3-88E7-4224-A2B0-7F9ACEFF5380@gmail.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <0B9EE6EE-7B90-45DC-91E3-B5B560B91BB0@gmail.com> <7B2E3596-F0F0-4C8B-9687-1B2C3FB6DBEC@softcon.com> <4DCD6812.6000804@gmail.com> <903B38D3-88E7-4224-A2B0-7F9ACEFF5380@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9ADF635A-F107-4BD5-AD03-DED21612B6EA@softcon.com> On May 13, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > cmd I on the file in the playlist then change the genre by gogn to > info tab. Not the info tab. The options tab. There is a genre which contains audio book in the info tab, but that isn't the one Itunes uses to decide whether or not a file is music, audio book, or something else. You'll need to click on the options tab, then change the pop-up that defaults to music to audio book. That will solve the problem. From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 15 05:22:31 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 23:22:31 -0500 Subject: changing file tags in itunes In-Reply-To: <2931CA73-19A6-4E2B-B68A-644FD2B7E843@bluebottle.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <0B9EE6EE-7B90-45DC-91E3-B5B560B91BB0@gmail.com> <7B2E3596-F0F0-4C8B-9687-1B2C3FB6DBEC@softcon.com> <4DCD6812.6000804@gmail.com> <903B38D3-88E7-4224-A2B0-7F9ACEFF5380@gmail.com> <2931CA73-19A6-4E2B-B68A-644FD2B7E843@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: <780BC564-D22A-4789-8E8A-0015DB4C6DDD@softcon.com> What you're after is the info fields relating to track, album and title. You'll want to make sure the title matches on all the tracks. Not things like disk1-track1, but the actual title like book of poems. Then, you will need to set the track numbers so that you have them in order from 1 to however many there are. Be sure to fill in the total tracks too. If they're ripped cds, you'll also want to make sure you have the disk numbers set properly (disk 1 of 7 and so on) This will ensure all of your books are in the proper order. You'll also want to make sure the options tab (as mentioned in another email) is set to audio book (not the info tab, the options tab) with all of that, your books should work just fine. From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 15 05:29:10 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 23:29:10 -0500 Subject: Scanning A Document As A PDF Image In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0C456BBA-D773-4F71-95D9-FE7117C4FEB0@softcon.com> Just scan the document as normal. (making a tiff or jpg image is fine) Then, open text edit, and create an rtfd document. by just pasting in the image. After that, you will be able to save as pdf via the print dialog, and you'll have your pdf version of the file. hth. From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 15 05:32:31 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 23:32:31 -0500 Subject: ssh client for mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0968695E-AFED-4BD2-8BAA-D603FDE827CE@softcon.com> Ssh is built in to osx. Open a terminal, and type ssh user at host, and you'll be connected to the remote computer on port 22 (the ssh port) and after you login, you'll have access to the remote terminal as if you were sitting at that computer's keyboard. There's other options of course, some pay and some free, but try the apple supplied one first, if it doesn't meet your needs, then you can hunt for something else. From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 15 05:35:31 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 23:35:31 -0500 Subject: Scanning A Document As A PDF Image In-Reply-To: References: <5018875B-C58F-4D5E-9E2A-A3C4D69D44E0@mac-access.net> <64CAF71D-897F-40D7-BDEB-B038A3D491ED@mac.com> Message-ID: When you pull up the print dialog, and select save as pdf, you can set various things, including a password and other security options if you so desire. I never do, but the options are there on the same screen where you name it and the like. hth. From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 15 05:46:32 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 23:46:32 -0500 Subject: changing file tags in itunes In-Reply-To: <88A6A2E2-9B98-45AC-A6C4-6ACC1567CC18@gmail.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <0B9EE6EE-7B90-45DC-91E3-B5B560B91BB0@gmail.com> <7B2E3596-F0F0-4C8B-9687-1B2C3FB6DBEC@softcon.com> <4DCD6812.6000804@gmail.com> <903B38D3-88E7-4224-A2B0-7F9ACEFF5380@gmail.com> <7FB75A2D-A74B-4262-97CE-FAAD39C9F070@bluebottle.com> <53B0A57A-6952-4D1A-B02A-1C943A360966@gmail.com> <02AC165C-F77C-46DE-A4EE-C1C6D6EE54AC@bluebottle.com> <88A6A2E2-9B98-45AC-A6C4-6ACC1567CC18@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2ED5D275-E720-4E74-8121-20FA1CB096C1@softcon.com> Itunes is not necessary for setting tags in file types that support them (like mp3 files) but it is necessary to fill out it's own database after it's already imported the files in question. I'm not actually sure if Itunes edits mp3 tags or not. I've seen evidence that it doesn't, but other folks have told me it does, so perhaps it's very os/version specific. On the other hand, if itunes is all you use for your music, then it's really not important whether it edits the tags directly, or just updates it's local database, the end result is the same. I use itunes for audio books, only because it's required for things from audible. I don't use it for much else unless it's already imported into itunes. I generally use quicktime to play my media, because I just like it better. But then again, I'm an oddball, so nothing there to be concerned about if you use itunes for everything, a lot of folks do. From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 15 06:00:06 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 00:00:06 -0500 Subject: Media playing options for Mac? In-Reply-To: <303B22DF20774B0180069B3FB7E797F7@DCQ0CYF1> References: <303B22DF20774B0180069B3FB7E797F7@DCQ0CYF1> Message-ID: <9F6DE8E1-75F3-4D02-8BA8-A99629DC06FF@softcon.com> Vlc (http://www.videoland.org) Itunes (comes on your mac) Quicktime (comes with your mac) DVD playing happens with the apple supplied dvd player (though you may want to try the one posted on my mac pages) http://www.softcon.com/ mac/ since the apple supplied one isn't 100 percent accessible when it comes to changing playback options such as selecting languages, individual tracks, and the like. All of the above options support various formats, but if you want wma, then you'll need to get the quicktime extensions called flip for mac from microsoft (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/products/windows-media-player/wmcomponents ) It won't support drm protected wma and wmv files, but it will play all other wma and wmv formatted files. hth. From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 15 06:06:14 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 00:06:14 -0500 Subject: Finder Navigation - Use of Arrows Changed. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You're talking about column mode, and that's command-3. This is the mode I use 99 percent of the time, the other 1 percent of the time I use table view because it allows me to expand and compress folders without needing to open them first, mainly when selecting files for an application that pops up the file dialog to select a file for importing, opening or sending elsewhere. Otherwise, I use column mode all the time. It's really the simplest one (imo) and I like it too. From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun May 15 07:04:15 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 23:04:15 -0700 Subject: changing file tags in itunes In-Reply-To: <9ADF635A-F107-4BD5-AD03-DED21612B6EA@softcon.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <0B9EE6EE-7B90-45DC-91E3-B5B560B91BB0@gmail.com> <7B2E3596-F0F0-4C8B-9687-1B2C3FB6DBEC@softcon.com> <4DCD6812.6000804@gmail.com> <903B38D3-88E7-4224-A2B0-7F9ACEFF5380@gmail.com> <9ADF635A-F107-4BD5-AD03-DED21612B6EA@softcon.com> Message-ID: <77B09D41-32FF-42F3-827F-0CD7813B2F0A@gmail.com> OH really? I change in the info tab but I'll give that a try. I've never done that way as usually I convert my boks to m4b so I can playt hem on my phone as well and both ipod apps can remember where I am. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 14, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > > On May 13, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> cmd I on the file in the playlist then change the genre by gogn to info tab. > > Not the info tab. The options tab. > There is a genre which contains audio book in the info tab, but that isn't the one Itunes uses to decide whether or not a file is music, audio book, or something else. > You'll need to click on the options tab, then change the pop-up that defaults to music to audio book. > That will solve the problem. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From roger.firman at btinternet.com Sun May 15 07:10:00 2011 From: roger.firman at btinternet.com (Roger Firman) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 07:10:00 +0100 Subject: Shortcut keys for adding accented letters and symbols In-Reply-To: <789DBCED-FBFD-4AF9-9DE9-9C8EB267F4BC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Colin, Very many thanks, much appreciated. Regards, Roger. From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Sun May 15 07:18:50 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 02:18:50 -0400 Subject: Media playing options for Mac? References: <303B22DF20774B0180069B3FB7E797F7@DCQ0CYF1> <4A6E3536-FFD2-4884-B7AF-BCD93AEF4B0A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <8A6A9876E5394C7BBD34B2A6AE621DEF@DCQ0CYF1> I understand about not comparing to windows. However, telling what program I am used to using and have preferred to use may give the idea of the kind of performance and usability I am looking for. Most of what I do with my computer is email, and uploading and downloading music as well as playing it. Thank you for your advice and information. "The first law of dietetics seems to be if it tastes good, it's bad for you." - Dr. Isaac Asimov tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (that's also my messenger contact) twitter.com/todayinbraille Skype: raleighgirl62 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2011 9:28 PM Subject: Re: Media playing options for Mac? Hello Tracy On 15 May 2011, at 02:16, Tracy wrote: ? What options do I have with a Mac for media playing? As a windows user I am most happy with winamp. Is there a winamp version for Mac or what other options do I have? Thanks. May I give you a small piece of advice? Don't make comparisons between Windoiws and Mac OS X. It's also a bad idea to try to cling to what you're used too, although I understand the inclination to do that. But to answer your questions; most people use iTunes which is very very accessible. But there is also a very good implementation of VLC for Mac OS. But Winamp, no; not a version which is accessible or nearly as powerful as its Windows cousin anyway. I hope that helps. Lynne _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Sun May 15 11:34:02 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 12:34:02 +0200 Subject: my google video is now fixed. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9F730A9A-1E83-4AE7-9046-1C09B8E6B82D@gmail.com> Hello Sarah, I'll be attempting a video response later to that video to address your issues. That's a lot easier than writing it down. Regards, Nic On May 15, 2011, at 5:25 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Ok I tested the new upload and it has sound. don't ask me what happened. I dunno. this happens on occasion. It is the same vid but anyway here is the link. I sure hope it gets better as I see some potential. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvVIaoB6hYI > > Take care all. > > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From smur7241 at bigpond.net.au Sun May 15 11:43:34 2011 From: smur7241 at bigpond.net.au (Sean Murphy) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 20:43:34 +1000 Subject: ITune failing to backup phone. References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <0B9EE6EE-7B90-45DC-91E3-B5B560B91BB0@gmail.com> <7B2E3596-F0F0-4C8B-9687-1B2C3FB6DBEC@softcon.com><4DCD6812.6000804@gmail.com><903B38D3-88E7-4224-A2B0-7F9ACEFF5380@gmail.com> <9ADF635A-F107-4BD5-AD03-DED21612B6EA@softcon.com> Message-ID: Hi All. Any tips on how to get around Itune continually reporting that my backup (resync) of my phone failing? It goes through the 3 stages and then fails. I have even upgraded the ITune version to the latest. Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 2:11 PM Subject: Re: changing file tags in itunes > > On May 13, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> cmd I on the file in the playlist then change the genre by gogn to info >> tab. > > Not the info tab. The options tab. > There is a genre which contains audio book in the info tab, but that > isn't the one Itunes uses to decide whether or not a file is music, audio > book, or something else. > You'll need to click on the options tab, then change the pop-up that > defaults to music to audio book. > That will solve the problem. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com Sun May 15 17:54:13 2011 From: julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com (Julie Vaughan) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 17:54:13 +0100 Subject: wifi on iphone not connecting Message-ID: Hi all i set up on my iphone to connect to my home wifi and it was doing ok till a couple of weeks ago but now it wont connect at all i put the pass word in and nothing happens i have it on my ipod and thats fine so im at a bit of a loss any help here would be great many thanks jules From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Sun May 15 18:15:16 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 18:15:16 +0100 Subject: wifi on iphone not connecting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16FE36A4-8CD4-4CD5-9C4A-D7F973A91E28@googlemail.com> Hi Julie. Have you tried selecting your WiFi, and retyping in the key, making sure that the password is correct? If you have, it may be a question of resetting your iPhone. As you have all the stuff on your computer, that should be quite a quick process. If you want help, feel free to call me. chat soon. Lewis. :) On 15 May 2011, at 17:54, Julie Vaughan wrote: > Hi all > > i set up on my iphone to connect to my home wifi and it was doing ok till a couple of weeks ago but now it wont connect at all i put the pass word in and nothing happens i have it on my ipod and thats fine so im at a bit of a loss > > any help here would be great > > many thanks > > jules > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lavendar at bell.net Sun May 15 18:33:19 2011 From: lavendar at bell.net (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:33:19 -0400 Subject: Accessible cryptic crossword In-Reply-To: <4D19AE9B-529E-404E-AEBD-DF7C575ABAEA@anarchie.org.uk> References: <89928839-1E94-4E59-98CF-CF06D79BD545@anarchie.org.uk> <0254C8D5-2A62-4C2D-A55E-F752C4AF9A7C@gmail.com> <4D19AE9B-529E-404E-AEBD-DF7C575ABAEA@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: Anne, Thanks for these great instructions! Just one question, though, do you have to have mouse keys turned on? Thanks, Caitlyn On May 6, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello D?nal and Will, > > First, here's the link to the crossword page: > > Use the web rotor to find the cryptic crossword for today and choose the standard version. > > Once on the correct page, use the rotor to find Heading level 4, Across or Down. > Below the heading is a list of clues you can interact with. When you have an answer, interact once and focus on the clue number, bring the mouse and press VO-Space bar. You'll land on the correct place to start typing. You'll be moved automatically to the next square, but if you make a mistake, you can use the arrow keys alone to move from square to square (left and right for the across clues, up and down for the down clues). > > Before entering a clue, set a hotspot so that you can get back to the list of clues quickly. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 6 May 2011, at 18:57, william lomas wrote: > >> yes please anne I like crosswords, to >> >> On 6 May 2011, at 17:45, Anne Robertson wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> I love cryptic crosswords and especially the Guardian crossword, so I'm really pleased to find that the standard version of the daily Guardian crossword is completely accessible with VO. This goes for the quick crossword, too. I can actually do the crossword online. If anyone is interested in this, I'll happily explain how to do it, but I won't bore the list if no one else wants to know. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Anne >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From carol.pearson29 at googlemail.com Sun May 15 19:12:21 2011 From: carol.pearson29 at googlemail.com (Carol Pearson) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 19:12:21 +0100 Subject: iTunes Movement References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com><491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com><5E893B23-2B20-4066-92F1-4081E8AF0B54@bluebottle.com> <83537F7C-BF2E-4DED-9F69-0B1A00D2BB4C@softcon.com> Message-ID: <2118EB1A483C4E08911C71B8063EE125@FABIAN2> I'm still trying to get my head around Itunes too. Did I read somewhere that ITunes doesn't move any of your files when syncing but simply has note of the position to find the file on your disc, so a shortcut type? If you add manually, presumably then you are copying a file and not a shortcut to a file. Is this correct? -- Carol P ---- Original Message ---- From: "Travis Siegel" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 5:08 AM Subject: Re: iTunes Movement > On May 13, 2011, at 2:14 PM, krystal watson wrote: > >> so if i turn off keep my music organized i can still >> play it and move it where i want it? >> > Yes you can. If you don't have Itunes do the organizing, > you can leave your files anywhere you like. After they're added > to itunes, copying them around will cause problems, but moving them > will not, because of the way itunes identifies the files. > If you move files across file systems though, be prepared > for some issues. Apparently, there's some bugs with the process. I've > lost several files this way (though they don't actually > disappear right away, sometimes it takes a reboot) > But anyhow, the short answer to your question is yes, > turning off itunes organization will keep your files where you put > them, and still play them properly. > Hope this helps. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, > spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > Please remember to update your membership options > periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun May 15 19:19:27 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 11:19:27 -0700 Subject: my google video is now fixed. In-Reply-To: <9F730A9A-1E83-4AE7-9046-1C09B8E6B82D@gmail.com> References: <9F730A9A-1E83-4AE7-9046-1C09B8E6B82D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <01CBBD25-D35F-4C9B-8075-366D39276C86@gmail.com> lol. take your time. I'll look fora message in my youtube area so as to link it up so people can I think see it not sure how that works lol! thanks and like I said I did not mean to be harsh in the video but sometimes it helps to get a dev's attention. Take care all and be blessed. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 15, 2011, at 3:34 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hello Sarah, > > I'll be attempting a video response later to that video to address your issues. That's a lot easier than writing it down. > > Regards, > Nic > On May 15, 2011, at 5:25 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Ok I tested the new upload and it has sound. don't ask me what happened. I dunno. this happens on occasion. It is the same vid but anyway here is the link. I sure hope it gets better as I see some potential. >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvVIaoB6hYI >> >> Take care all. >> >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From techieteacher at gmail.com Sun May 15 19:27:47 2011 From: techieteacher at gmail.com (Jeremy Brown) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 14:27:47 -0400 Subject: Introduction & EdCeptional podcast Message-ID: Hi! I am glad to have discovered and join the Mac-Access forum. I am an elementary special education (autism) teacher in Maryland who is very interested in utilizing technology to help my students access the curriculum and participate in other activities with their peers. My students and I use a wide variety of technology including Macs and PCs, SMART Boards, iPads, and more. I look forward to learning and sharing about accessibility on the Mac and iOS! Outside of teaching, I am also a part of a weekly podcast, EdCeptional. EdCeptional is part of the EdReach Education Media Network. EdCeptional highlights access to learning for exceptional students of all abilities. With Edceptional, EdReach wants to talk about education and technology, and we want to do it with educators who have the lens or perspective of students with special needs. http://edreach.us/category/edceptional/ Additionally, I have created a few Facebook groups: Assistive Technology - http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_125241767530963 iTeach Special Education - iDevices in Special Education - http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_122716487786903 - Jeremy -- Jeremy Brown Twitter: techieteacher E-mail: techieteacher at gmail.com Web: http://at-resources.wikispaces.com LiveBinders: http://bit.ly/JLiveBinders From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Sun May 15 20:19:03 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 15:19:03 -0400 Subject: How do I keep Mac-Access On line? Message-ID: <8A2F1985-B9CE-429F-B36A-4647B0B0CB7C@Mac-Access.net> Hello fellow listers, For some reason my Mac-?ccess account seems to be off line. To get messages I need to press sink in the context menu when hilighting the mailbox my messages go to. Any ideas how I can set things back to keep this online? Eric Caron From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Sun May 15 20:22:27 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 15:22:27 -0400 Subject: How to turn iPhone orientation off and on? Message-ID: hello listers, I used the app switcher several IOS updates ago to lock my orientation lock to portrait. I went back there now to unlock it and the option is no longer their. I looked in settings but could not find it. What is the trick? How do I lock and unlock the orientation lock on my iPhone 3GS? Eric Caron From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun May 15 20:23:46 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 12:23:46 -0700 Subject: How to turn iPhone orientation off and on? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello. go to app switcher swipe left to right with 3 fingers on the screen and in the left hand corner is the orientation button. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 15, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > hello listers, > > I used the app switcher several IOS updates ago to lock my orientation lock to portrait. I went back there now to unlock it and the option is no longer their. I looked in settings but could not find it. What is the trick? How do I lock and unlock the orientation lock on my iPhone 3GS? > > Eric Caron > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From abreier at kc.rr.com Sun May 15 20:41:59 2011 From: abreier at kc.rr.com (Andrea Breier) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 14:41:59 -0500 Subject: updating apps within iTunes? Message-ID: <881782BD3D8C40F89E4740B078827805@andrea78cdd59a> Can someone share a detailed list of how I can navigate to the location in iTunes so that I can download app updates? I show that I have 5 unplayed apps on the source list what I have apps selected. I found some messages addressing this issue, but they don't seem to work. Many thanks in advance. Hugs, AJ Recipe for happiness: Live with enthusiasm, smile for no reason, love without conditions, act with purpose, listen with your heart, and laugh often. NET SECURITY: When forwarding email messages please consider your obligation to erase all names and email addresses. And send the message by using BCC (Blind Copy) and you will avoid spammers and viruses on the net. Thank you. From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Sun May 15 20:55:36 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 15:55:36 -0400 Subject: Do I absolutely need a mouse? Message-ID: It's looking more and more like I will buy a Mac Mini. Now, do I absolutely need a mouse, or can I get by without one? "The first law of dietetics seems to be if it tastes good, it's bad for you." - Dr. Isaac Asimov tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (that's also my messenger contact) twitter.com/todayinbraille Skype: raleighgirl62 From anne at anarchie.org.uk Sun May 15 21:22:34 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 22:22:34 +0200 Subject: Accessible cryptic crossword In-Reply-To: References: <89928839-1E94-4E59-98CF-CF06D79BD545@anarchie.org.uk> <0254C8D5-2A62-4C2D-A55E-F752C4AF9A7C@gmail.com> <4D19AE9B-529E-404E-AEBD-DF7C575ABAEA@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: Hello Caitlyn, You don't need mousekeys turned on to do the cryptic crossword. Just remember the command to bring the mouse to the VO cursor (VO-Command-F5). Cheers, Anne On 15 May 2011, at 19:33, Caitlyn Furness wrote: > Anne, > > Thanks for these great instructions! > > Just one question, though, do you have to have mouse keys turned on? > > Thanks, > Caitlyn > > On May 6, 2011, at 1:13 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > >> Hello D?nal and Will, >> >> First, here's the link to the crossword page: >> >> Use the web rotor to find the cryptic crossword for today and choose the standard version. >> >> Once on the correct page, use the rotor to find Heading level 4, Across or Down. >> Below the heading is a list of clues you can interact with. When you have an answer, interact once and focus on the clue number, bring the mouse and press VO-Space bar. You'll land on the correct place to start typing. You'll be moved automatically to the next square, but if you make a mistake, you can use the arrow keys alone to move from square to square (left and right for the across clues, up and down for the down clues). >> >> Before entering a clue, set a hotspot so that you can get back to the list of clues quickly. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >> On 6 May 2011, at 18:57, william lomas wrote: >> >>> yes please anne I like crosswords, to >>> >>> On 6 May 2011, at 17:45, Anne Robertson wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> >>>> I love cryptic crosswords and especially the Guardian crossword, so I'm really pleased to find that the standard version of the daily Guardian crossword is completely accessible with VO. This goes for the quick crossword, too. I can actually do the crossword online. If anyone is interested in this, I'll happily explain how to do it, but I won't bore the list if no one else wants to know. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Anne >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From anne at anarchie.org.uk Sun May 15 21:24:06 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 22:24:06 +0200 Subject: Do I absolutely need a mouse? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Tracy, As far as I know, during set up, you need something that the computer recognises as a mouse or a trackpad. However, you can get away with the cheapest mouse you can find. Cheers, Anne On 15 May 2011, at 21:55, Tracy wrote: > It's looking more and more like I will buy a Mac Mini. Now, do I absolutely need a mouse, or can I get by without one? > > "The first law of dietetics seems to be if it tastes good, it's bad for you." - Dr. Isaac Asimov > > tracyduffy at nc.rr.com > (that's also my messenger contact) > twitter.com/todayinbraille > Skype: raleighgirl62 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Sun May 15 21:27:43 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 10:27:43 -1000 Subject: Special Symbols and Characters on the regular Mac Keyboard (current master list) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D0B4BB8-F5DC-49BB-8B85-A37039AA639F@mac.com> Hello Roger, Colin posted some of the Option Key combinations for typing accented letters from one of my older posts. Here's a more extended list, and I've also modified the subject line. These work both under Mac OS X and for iOS devices with current versions of iOS, starting with 4.2.1, I think. Earlier versions of iOS 4 had many, but not all, of these shortcuts working. In some instances the shortcuts work, but VoiceOver does not pronounce them. The ones for which this is still true under iOS 4.3.2 have an appended label of "(not voiced)", and mostly comprise math symbols. (The Angstrom sign symbol is voiced, but is announced as "A ring" under iOS, instead of "Angstrom".) If you are typing on your iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad in an app like Simplenote, which auto-syncs across devices and lets you examine the text you typed on your Mac through the free desktop application, Notational Velocity, you can easily check that the shortcuts work; the symbols are just not read by VoiceOver under iOS. These shortcut key combinations are for English language input keyboards, and are not meant to be exhaustive. They were checked on the U.S. and British standard input keyboards. (The U.S. extended keyboard will give different results for some of these keys). Under iOS, VoiceOver omits the "right" modifiers for quotation marks (e.g., the counterpart to "left (single or double) quotation mark" will just be announced "(single or double) quotation mark" -- as also distinct from "apostrophe" and "quotation mark"). Similarly, VoiceOver under iOS does not tell you the difference between the left and right pointing angle quotation marks; it just says "angle quotation mark" in both instances. These punctuation symbols are more likely encountered in European languages other than English, which was why they appeared in my response to a post query about writing in French. If you want to experiment and find out the combinations for your language, go into TextEdit and start typing key combinations with the Option key held down. Gordon and others may have seen this list before, since I posted an earlier version to the mac-access list in this format before the archives were set up. One of the reasons I haven't posted this before is that some of the shortcuts have still been changing. I should also add that if I really want all the punctuation symbols and accents for typing, say French, I will switch to a Canadian French input language keyboard since I don't type large amounts of text in French often enough to naturally use a keyboard that switches the placement of keys for "q" with "a", and "w" with "z". I won't repeat the section on how to type accented characters with option key combinations, since Colin has already pasted in that description in his earlier post. List follows below my signature. Cheers, Esther Special Symbols and Characters on the regular Mac Keyboard Categories: 1. Currency Symbols 2. Trademark and Copyright Symbols 3. Apple Symbol 4. Math and Greek Character Symbols?? 5. Copyediting, typesetting, and miscellaneous symbols 6. Punctuation marks: right and left quotation marks for English and other languages; inverted punctuation marks for Spanish Each entry gives the symbol followed by the descriptive name and the keyboard combination to press for the symbol. Additional comments about context for symbol usage may follow (in parentheses). Currency Symbols (in addition to $ = Shift+4) ? cents Option+4 ? pound Option+3 (on a British keyboard Option+3 is # -- the number or hash sign that is Shift+3 on U.S. keyboards, while Shift+3 is the pound sign) ? yen Option+y ? Euro Option+Shift+2 (on a British keyboard this is Option+2) Trademark and Copyright Symbols ? copyright Option+g ? registered Option+r ? trademark Option+2 Apple Symbol ? apple Option+Shift+K Math and Greek Character Symbols ? plus-or-minus Option+Shift+Equals (Shift+Equals is plus) ? micro sign Option+m (Greek letter mu), units of microns (not voiced) ? pi Option+p (Greek letter pi) (not voiced) ? square root Option+v (not voiced) ? divided by Option+/ (slash is key to left of right-hand shift key) ? middle dot Option+Shift+9 (sign for multiplication) (not voiced) ? almost equals Option+x (not voiced) ? not equals Option+= (equals is key to right of delete key) ? infinity Option+5 (not voiced) ? less than or equal Option+comma (Shift+comma is the less than sign) ? greater than or equal Option+period (Shift+period is greater than) ? Angstrom sign Option+Shift+a (units of Angstroms) ? summation sign Option+w (not voiced) ? degree sign Option+Shift+8 ? partial differential Option+d (calculus) (not voiced) ? integral Option+b (calculus) (not voiced) ? Omega Option+z (units of solid angle, calculus) (not voiced) Copyediting, typesetting, and miscellaneous symbols ? double dagger Option+Shift+7 (used for footnotes) ? pilcrow sign Option+7 (marks paragraphs) ? section sign Option+6 (marks sections) ? bullet sign Option+8 (marks list items) Punctuation marks: right and left quotation marks for English and other languages; inverted punctuation marks for Spanish ? left single quotation mark Option+right bracket ? right single quotation mark Option+Shift+right bracket ? left double quotation mark Option+left bracket ? right double quotation mark Option+Shift+left bracket ? left pointing double angle quotation mark Option+backslash ? right pointing double angle quotation mark Option+Shift+backslash ? single left pointing angle quotation mark Option+Shift+3 ? single right pointing angle quotation mark Option+Shift+4 ? inverted exclamation mark Option+1 ? inverted question mark Option+Shift+slash (Shift+/ is question mark) ? ellipsis Option+semi-colon From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Sun May 15 21:36:53 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 16:36:53 -0400 Subject: Do I absolutely need a mouse? References: Message-ID: Much appreciated. I have a mouse for my pc (windows) now, but I don't know if it's compatible. I'll have to find out. "The first law of dietetics seems to be if it tastes good, it's bad for you." - Dr. Isaac Asimov tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (that's also my messenger contact) twitter.com/todayinbraille Skype: raleighgirl62 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Robertson" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:24 PM Subject: Re: Do I absolutely need a mouse? > Hello Tracy, > > As far as I know, during set up, you need something that the computer > recognises as a mouse or a trackpad. However, you can get away with the > cheapest mouse you can find. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 15 May 2011, at 21:55, Tracy wrote: > >> It's looking more and more like I will buy a Mac Mini. Now, do I >> absolutely need a mouse, or can I get by without one? >> >> "The first law of dietetics seems to be if it tastes good, it's bad for >> you." - Dr. Isaac Asimov >> >> tracyduffy at nc.rr.com >> (that's also my messenger contact) >> twitter.com/todayinbraille >> Skype: raleighgirl62 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com Sun May 15 21:48:15 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at googlemail.com (Colin M) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 21:48:15 +0100 Subject: Do I absolutely need a mouse? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <354AC08C-8FE2-4EEC-913C-0A1DCC34A12F@gmail.com> Hi Tracy! I do not know if you've got a Iphone or one of those I devices! But if you have and you can afford it I would get a magic track pad! This will be useful from what I hear more than a mouse! When I can afford one I'm getting one! I suggest this if you are already used to the touch screen! Colin I'm far too bad for Heaven! The Devil is afraid I'll take his place! On 15 May 2011, at 21:36, Tracy wrote: > Much appreciated. I have a mouse for my pc (windows) now, but I don't know if it's compatible. I'll have to find out. > > "The first law of dietetics seems to be if it tastes good, it's bad for you." - Dr. Isaac Asimov > > tracyduffy at nc.rr.com > (that's also my messenger contact) > twitter.com/todayinbraille > Skype: raleighgirl62 > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Robertson" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 4:24 PM > Subject: Re: Do I absolutely need a mouse? > > >> Hello Tracy, >> >> As far as I know, during set up, you need something that the computer recognises as a mouse or a trackpad. However, you can get away with the cheapest mouse you can find. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> >> On 15 May 2011, at 21:55, Tracy wrote: >> >>> It's looking more and more like I will buy a Mac Mini. Now, do I absolutely need a mouse, or can I get by without one? >>> >>> "The first law of dietetics seems to be if it tastes good, it's bad for you." - Dr. Isaac Asimov >>> >>> tracyduffy at nc.rr.com >>> (that's also my messenger contact) >>> twitter.com/todayinbraille >>> Skype: raleighgirl62 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Sun May 15 22:20:23 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 16:20:23 -0500 Subject: Do I absolutely need a mouse? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59DCD3DE-173E-4808-B8F7-609BA1FBE6A3@charter.net> You don't need a mouse, however, with the mac mini, you do need to have a monitor connected, not turned on, just connected. Without this, voiceover will be very sluggish at times. On May 15, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Tracy wrote: > It's looking more and more like I will buy a Mac Mini. Now, do I absolutely need a mouse, or can I get by without one? > > "The first law of dietetics seems to be if it tastes good, it's bad for you." - Dr. Isaac Asimov > > tracyduffy at nc.rr.com > (that's also my messenger contact) > twitter.com/todayinbraille > Skype: raleighgirl62 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 15 22:24:11 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 16:24:11 -0500 Subject: Do I absolutely need a mouse? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5323BF44-AAC3-4995-81A9-A839FE12ED2C@softcon.com> Minimac is a good choice for someone first getting into the mac, it's inexpensive, and it has all the abilities of it's larger cousins. You will need a screen attached (most of the time) even if the monitor isn't on, it still needs to be attached, or osx gets sluggish among other things. You will need a mouse (but any usb mouse will do the trick) and of course your keyboard also needs to be usb. Although they're more expensive than they used to be, I still recomend purchasing the apple keyboard, because they're a nice solid keyboard (although if you can, get an older one with a numpad, because vo uses the numpad if you have one. You can configure it to do all sorts of everyday things, which means you'll need to remember fewer keystrokes. It's also very convinient, because you can assign the functions in groups. I.E. I have mine configured so that commannd-numpad keys perform web things, while numpad by itself does regular movement/selection things. Very useful a numpad is. If your apple keyboard doesn't have one, but you have a walmart or home depot nearby, you can purchase a numpad only keypad from them for reasonable prices, which plug into one of your usb ports, and allow you to use numpad functions anyway. Wireless keyboards work too, as do wireless mouse options, but I personally don't like those, because when your batteries die, you're out of luck if you can't find any in a hurry. Hope this helps, and good luck on your purchase. From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 15 22:33:02 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 16:33:02 -0500 Subject: wifi on iphone not connecting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7E3B0432-48AF-463C-8B37-92492810A251@softcon.com> We had a similar problem. We had several computers, and 3 ipod touches all connecting to our wireless network using passwords, then just one day the ipods refused to connect anymore, no matter how many times we reset the network and the ipods. We had no choice but to remove the password on the network, then instantly, the ipods connected and there's been no further trouble. Why this is I have no idea, they all worked perfectly when we first got them, but afterwords, no matter what we tried, they just wouldn't connect anymore. I'd really like to get it fixed though, since we have at least 1 freeloader in the neighborhood who sucks our bandwidth into oblivion everytime they get on it. We've blocked their mac address, but they still manage to connnect anyhow and it's really irritating. We didn't have that problem when the password was on it. From tsiegel at softcon.com Sun May 15 22:35:38 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 16:35:38 -0500 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: <2118EB1A483C4E08911C71B8063EE125@FABIAN2> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com><491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com><5E893B23-2B20-4066-92F1-4081E8AF0B54@bluebottle.com> <83537F7C-BF2E-4DED-9F69-0B1A00D2BB4C@softcon.com> <2118EB1A483C4E08911C71B8063EE125@FABIAN2> Message-ID: <9917CF1B-21FF-4B36-A609-F5759AD3C5C3@softcon.com> Itunes will move your files around if you don't uncheck the box that says keep my music organized. If you uncheck that box, then Itunes will leave files where they are, and just add them to the library. If you don't uncheck that box, then by default, Itunes will move your files into it's own folder structure, which can be a real hassle if things aren't labeled properly. From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun May 15 22:43:16 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 14:43:16 -0700 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: <9917CF1B-21FF-4B36-A609-F5759AD3C5C3@softcon.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com><491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com><5E893B23-2B20-4066-92F1-4081E8AF0B54@bluebottle.com> <83537F7C-BF2E-4DED-9F69-0B1A00D2BB4C@softcon.com> <2118EB1A483C4E08911C71B8063EE125@FABIAN2> <9917CF1B-21FF-4B36-A609-F5759AD3C5C3@softcon.com> Message-ID: <485FC5A9-2840-4FC9-822A-10A9637D0AE8@gmail.com> lol ben there doen that. I had one file moved in to a folder called unknown lol! look slike i need to reorganie my self Hehaha! Take care. I don't have that box checked if I play from my external drive. that can be anoying. Take care and good luck. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 15, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > Itunes will move your files around if you don't uncheck the box that says keep my music organized. > If you uncheck that box, then Itunes will leave files where they are, and just add them to the library. > If you don't uncheck that box, then by default, Itunes will move your files into it's own folder structure, which can be a real hassle if things aren't labeled properly. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Mon May 16 00:20:32 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 20:20:32 -0300 Subject: wifi on iphone not connecting In-Reply-To: <7E3B0432-48AF-463C-8B37-92492810A251@softcon.com> References: <7E3B0432-48AF-463C-8B37-92492810A251@softcon.com> Message-ID: Hello; for what it's worth: I was dealing with a client who had exactly the same problem. I advised him to switch his router 802.11b/g/n Mode to one of those modes (G or N) This might solve your problem. Cheers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Travis Siegel" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 6:33 PM Subject: Re: wifi on iphone not connecting > We had a similar problem. We had several computers, and 3 ipod touches > all connecting to our wireless network using passwords, then just one day > the ipods refused to connect anymore, no matter how many times we reset > the network and the ipods. > We had no choice but to remove the password on the network, then > instantly, the ipods connected and there's been no further trouble. > Why this is I have no idea, they all worked perfectly when we first got > them, but afterwords, no matter what we tried, they just wouldn't connect > anymore. > > I'd really like to get it fixed though, since we have at least 1 > freeloader in the neighborhood who sucks our bandwidth into oblivion > everytime they get on it. > We've blocked their mac address, but they still manage to connnect anyhow > and it's really irritating. We didn't have that problem when the > password was on it. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus > signature database 6124 (20110515) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6124 (20110515) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From moriond at mac.com Mon May 16 00:25:08 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:25:08 -1000 Subject: wifi on iphone not connecting In-Reply-To: <7E3B0432-48AF-463C-8B37-92492810A251@softcon.com> References: <7E3B0432-48AF-463C-8B37-92492810A251@softcon.com> Message-ID: <095F2E1B-6692-49F9-A89E-61BCFF1F7E1F@mac.com> Hi All, First for Julie, on the iPhone there is an option to reset your network settings: Settings > General > Reset > Reset Network Settings. It's a bit of a pain to use, because you then you have to retype in all the network passwords for that device, but you don't have to restore your device. I assume that Travis has already tried this. I don't currently have any problems with the WiFi on my iOS devices, but at one point a few months after I got my iPod Touch, I started having problems with dropped connections. This only happened when the signal strength was weak and when I was on a network using WPA encryption -- both conditions had to apply. Since this applied to some locations on my home network, it was annoying, especially since I knew that Apple compatibility was not an issue (though I suppose it could have been the age of my AirPort Express -- which dates back to when I first moved off a dial-up connection with my first Mac, and still works. I've since replaced it with a more recent model that supports the 8.02.11n streaming features). This was well over a year ago, and the issue got fixed for me in one of the iOS software updates. In the meantime, I used two work-arounds. The first was to play some low-bitrate stream in ooTunes in the web browser. (This was before multi-tasking support was available in iOS -- back in OS 3.2.) As long as there was some activity on the network, the connection wouldn't drop. The second and more feasible work-around was to change the WiFi connection on my device from DHCP to Static -- I just copied all the entries for IP Address, Subnet Mask, Router, DNS, and Search Domains from the DHCP listing into the corresponding fields for Static on the screen you get to by double tapping the "More Info" button for your selected WiFi network (under Settings > General > WiFi Networks in the "Choose a Network" list that contains your selected network). I think what was happening is that the iOS software was set to deactivate inactive connections on a fairly short timescale to save battery life. Research on the web indicated that either changing the domain name server being used for the DNS lookup to a different address, or else changing the network configuration from DHCP to static so it would just use the DNS address in the field and not try to keep checking it and time out, would provide a work-around for the problem. I think I've read (recently, not last year when I had this issue) that using a different DNS address has fixed WiFi connectivity problems for some people. Travis might want to give this a shot as an alternative solution. In my case, I believe the operating software would just time out before it could resolve the DNS address, even though it would initially succeed in making the connection. So I either had to keep it from having to check the connection (by continuing to stream at a low bit rate), or else to make sure it didn't fail to find the DNS address before it dropped the connection (switching to static from DHCP). Hope this was not too confusing and may be of help to Travis or someone else. Cheers, Esther On May 15, 2011, at 11:33, Travis Siegel wrote: > We had a similar problem. We had several computers, and 3 ipod touches all connecting to our wireless network using passwords, then just one day the ipods refused to connect anymore, no matter how many times we reset the network and the ipods. > We had no choice but to remove the password on the network, then instantly, the ipods connected and there's been no further trouble. > Why this is I have no idea, they all worked perfectly when we first got them, but afterwords, no matter what we tried, they just wouldn't connect anymore. > > I'd really like to get it fixed though, since we have at least 1 freeloader in the neighborhood who sucks our bandwidth into oblivion everytime they get on it. > We've blocked their mac address, but they still manage to connnect anyhow and it's really irritating. We didn't have that problem when the password was on it. > > _ From moriond at mac.com Mon May 16 00:31:25 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 13:31:25 -1000 Subject: wifi on iphone not connecting In-Reply-To: References: <7E3B0432-48AF-463C-8B37-92492810A251@softcon.com> Message-ID: <59A8C964-2B9A-45CD-864D-61C2CE62B555@mac.com> Hi Jim, On May 15, 2011, at 13:20, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hello; for what it's worth: > > I was dealing with a client who had exactly the same problem. I advised him to switch his router 802.11b/g/n Mode to one of those modes (G or N) > > This might solve your problem. > > Cheers. Interesting, I've heard of people who had this problem when different parts of their network ran in different modes. My original Airport Express (in my posted reply) was 802.11b/g (no "n" option at the time that the first Airport Express models were produced. As I said, this Airport Express still works, but I've decommissioned it as the main unit.) Cheers, Esther From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon May 16 00:37:53 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 18:37:53 -0500 Subject: wifi on iphone not connecting In-Reply-To: <095F2E1B-6692-49F9-A89E-61BCFF1F7E1F@mac.com> References: <7E3B0432-48AF-463C-8B37-92492810A251@softcon.com> <095F2E1B-6692-49F9-A89E-61BCFF1F7E1F@mac.com> Message-ID: <69947A7B-A1E4-4F96-A367-6EF9B5AD8F0E@softcon.com> Does giving the ios devices static ips cause problems when moving to other networks? I've had issues with our macbooks, in that when I gave them static ips on our local network, they then tried to keep that ip address when they connected to another wireless network. I know this isn't supposed to happen, but it did for us, and caused no end of trouble. So, we had to remove the static ips for the macbooks. If the ios devices don't suffer from this problem, then we will definitely put our passwords back, and set them to static ips. That would be great. Any ideas about this one? From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Mon May 16 01:40:38 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 20:40:38 -0400 Subject: updating apps within iTunes? In-Reply-To: <881782BD3D8C40F89E4740B078827805@andrea78cdd59a> References: <881782BD3D8C40F89E4740B078827805@andrea78cdd59a> Message-ID: <6276F5F2-CE7F-4032-B2C7-A9D717B8939F@gmail.com> In the sources table, go to apps. Tab until you reach the check for updates button and press it. If you have any, you will be told how many, and taken to the itunes store in the sources table, but actually into the itunes store web area, where the updates will be listed. On May 15, 2011, at 3:41 PM, Andrea Breier wrote: > Can someone share a detailed list of how I can navigate to the location in iTunes so that I can download app updates? I show that I have 5 unplayed apps on the source list what I have apps selected. I found some messages addressing this issue, but they don't seem to work. Many thanks in advance. > Hugs, AJ > > Recipe for happiness: Live with enthusiasm, smile for no reason, love without conditions, act with purpose, listen with your heart, and laugh often. > > NET SECURITY: When forwarding email messages please consider your obligation to erase all names and email addresses. And send the message by using BCC (Blind Copy) and you will avoid spammers and viruses on the net. > > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From i.murray at exchange.curtin.edu.au Mon May 16 02:14:19 2011 From: i.murray at exchange.curtin.edu.au (Iain Murray) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 09:14:19 +0800 Subject: cisco packet tracer In-Reply-To: <69BFB6BB8C604771A85414935614A2C9@dougPC> References: <69BFB6BB8C604771A85414935614A2C9@dougPC> Message-ID: Hi Douglas We developed a very basic one but would not recommend trying to use it to replace packet tracer, it was mainly to show that these things can be made accessible. If you are interested we have some work arounds for the PT problems, (uses real equipment available over the internet and no its not Netlab as thats inaccessible too) so if you would like drop me an email and I will point you to the resources. By the way, dont know if you have heard but we also run classes in CCNA specifically for people with vision impairments and have many students in the US Canada, India Australia and many other countries. Have a look at www.ciscovision.or or www.cucat.org if you are interested. Regards On 14/05/2011, at 9:12 AM, douglas rudolph wrote: > hey, do any of you know about an accessible packet tracer? > This email may contain personal identifyable information. Copy, relay, redistributions, and or reading of these emails is strictly prohibited, unless you are the intended recipiant of this email, and this intended recipiant only. If this is not the intended recipiant, then you are requested to delete this message immediately and notify sender. > Douglas Rudolph > Tel: 1306-565-2056 > Cell: 1306-209-2823 > Email: doug.cam3 at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Dr Iain Murray (B.Eng)(Hons) Ph.D(Curtin) MIEEE MACM MACS Senior Lecturer Course Co-ordinator - Bachelor of Technology (Computer Systems & Networking) Rehabilitation Engineering & Assistive Technology Research Laboratory Department of Electrical & Computer Engineering Curtin University of Technology GPO Box U1987 Perth 6845 WA Australia Ph +61 8 92664540 Fax +61 8 92662584 email i.murray at curtin.edu.au web http://www.cucat.org From moriond at mac.com Mon May 16 02:49:18 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 15:49:18 -1000 Subject: wifi on iphone not connecting In-Reply-To: <69947A7B-A1E4-4F96-A367-6EF9B5AD8F0E@softcon.com> References: <7E3B0432-48AF-463C-8B37-92492810A251@softcon.com> <095F2E1B-6692-49F9-A89E-61BCFF1F7E1F@mac.com> <69947A7B-A1E4-4F96-A367-6EF9B5AD8F0E@softcon.com> Message-ID: Hi Travis, I think that the work-around for setting iOS devices to a static IP address was just that -- a work-around in the absence of a better solution. You might not have problems with the iOS devices using a static IP address, but this could interfere with your macbook IP network assignments. Jim's query about whether you're running a mixed network (set to either 802.11n or 802.11g) might apply, although I'm pretty sure it wasn't a factor in my case. As I said, I've read that in some instances the slow DNS lookup can affect the quality of the WiFi connection experience, but apart from my experience with my WiFi network dropping connections due to timeouts over a year ago, I haven't seen this problem. And it might not be relevant to your password situation. In my case there was a clear instance of timing and time-out problems -- I could always connect to my network, but for a certain period of time until the iOS (actually then still named OS 3.1) version got updated on my device, my connection would get dropped due to timeouts. I did a bit of Google searching, and here's one of the articles that I read about changing DNS to make your iOS device respond faster. Note that this might not have a bearing on the inability to connect at all -- just whether your apps respond slowly or your connection gets dropped due to timeouts: "Change Your DNS Settings on iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad" by Matthew Guay, February 4, 2011 TechInch Quick Tips: http://techinch.com/2011/02/04/change-your-dns-settings-on-iphone-ipod-touch-and-ipad/ HTH. Cheers, Esther On May 15, 2011, at 13:37, Travis Siegel wrote: > Does giving the ios devices static ips cause problems when moving to other networks? > I've had issues with our macbooks, in that when I gave them static ips on our local network, they then tried to keep that ip address when they connected to another wireless network. I know this isn't supposed to happen, but it did for us, and caused no end of trouble. So, we had to remove the static ips for the macbooks. If the ios devices don't suffer from this problem, then we will definitely put our passwords back, and set them to static ips. That would be great. > Any ideas about this one? > From abreier at kc.rr.com Mon May 16 03:28:36 2011 From: abreier at kc.rr.com (Andrea Breier) Date: Sun, 15 May 2011 21:28:36 -0500 Subject: updating apps within iTunes? References: <881782BD3D8C40F89E4740B078827805@andrea78cdd59a> <6276F5F2-CE7F-4032-B2C7-A9D717B8939F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes I was routed to the iTunes store, but didn't locate any update option there. I seem to end up in a dead zone where iTunes speech stops responding. I don't get anything until I get back out to the search box again. Am I missing something? Hugs, AJ Recipe for happiness: Live with enthusiasm, smile for no reason, love without conditions, act with purpose, listen with your heart, and laugh often. NET SECURITY: When forwarding email messages please consider your obligation to erase all names and email addresses. And send the message by using BCC (Blind Copy) and you will avoid spammers and viruses on the net. Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marcy Weinberg" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 7:40 PM Subject: Re: updating apps within iTunes? > In the sources table, go to apps. Tab until you reach the check for > updates button and press it. > > If you have any, you will be told how many, and taken to the itunes store > in the sources table, but actually into the itunes store web area, where > the updates will be listed. > > On May 15, 2011, at 3:41 PM, Andrea Breier wrote: > >> Can someone share a detailed list of how I can navigate to the location >> in iTunes so that I can download app updates? I show that I have 5 >> unplayed apps on the source list what I have apps selected. I found some >> messages addressing this issue, but they don't seem to work. Many thanks >> in advance. >> Hugs, AJ >> >> Recipe for happiness: Live with enthusiasm, smile for no reason, love >> without conditions, act with purpose, listen with your heart, and laugh >> often. >> >> NET SECURITY: When forwarding email messages please consider your >> obligation to erase all names and email addresses. And send the message >> by using BCC (Blind Copy) and you will avoid spammers and viruses on the >> net. >> >> Thank you. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Mon May 16 10:25:25 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:25:25 +0100 Subject: Please Stay On Topic; [Was Re: my google video is now fixed.] In-Reply-To: <9F730A9A-1E83-4AE7-9046-1C09B8E6B82D@gmail.com> References: <9F730A9A-1E83-4AE7-9046-1C09B8E6B82D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Sarah & Nic Could you please discuss this off list until such times as it has a direct bearing on the group topics? Sorry; but we have to strict about this. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Mon May 16 10:27:02 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:27:02 +0100 Subject: ITune failing to backup phone. In-Reply-To: References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <0B9EE6EE-7B90-45DC-91E3-B5B560B91BB0@gmail.com> <7B2E3596-F0F0-4C8B-9687-1B2C3FB6DBEC@softcon.com><4DCD6812.6000804@gmail.com><903B38D3-88E7-4224-A2B0-7F9ACEFF5380@gmail.com> <9ADF635A-F107-4BD5-AD03-DED21612B6EA@softcon.com> Message-ID: Hello Sean On 15 May 2011, at 11:43, Sean Murphy wrote: ? Any tips on how to get around Itune continually reporting that my backup (resync) of my phone failing? It goes through the 3 stages and then fails. I have even upgraded the ITune version to the latest. We get this problem frequently; and have done for the last 5 or 6 versions of iTunes and since iOS 3.something. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Mon May 16 10:32:56 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:32:56 +0100 Subject: Do I absolutely need a mouse? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7F4A3DB3-EC20-415A-AFA4-F2B72A06F909@mac-access.net> Hello Anne On 15 May 2011, at 21:24, Anne Robertson wrote: ? As far as I know, during set up, you need something that the computer recognises as a mouse or a trackpad. However, you can get away with the cheapest mouse you can find. Our tests have shown that this is no longer the case. Lynne From gordon at mac-access.net Mon May 16 10:47:49 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:47:49 +0100 Subject: Media playing options for Mac? In-Reply-To: <004D8A1A-CA7A-48FF-8C83-2C6C7A5A2DE4@charter.net> References: <303B22DF20774B0180069B3FB7E797F7@DCQ0CYF1> <004D8A1A-CA7A-48FF-8C83-2C6C7A5A2DE4@charter.net> Message-ID: Hi Mike Actually, it is. But it isn't accessible for the most part. Gordon On 15 May 2011, at 03:06, Mike Arrigo wrote: Winamp isn't available for the mac I don't think, but there is an app that does something similar, it pretty much plays everything, it's called vlc player. From gordonkeen at googlemail.com Mon May 16 10:49:39 2011 From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:49:39 +0100 Subject: voiceover and www.bbc.co.uk Message-ID: <60FEA30A-0C37-4105-BA75-D211298EF494@googlemail.com> Hi Has anyone difficulty navigating the BBC web site? As soon as I move past the access ability section crash reporter kicks in and I have to come out of safari. My son is here and he has duplicated this on his mac book pro and reported it as a bug to apple but I am curious as to how many others have the same problem. Cheers G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. Catch the buzz at http://www.bridgerule.co.uk From gordon at mac-access.net Mon May 16 10:52:03 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:52:03 +0100 Subject: iTunes Movement In-Reply-To: <83537F7C-BF2E-4DED-9F69-0B1A00D2BB4C@softcon.com> References: <6B826AC5-EF24-4FAF-960E-664E400C6EE5@gmail.com> <491A1847-BA7F-4D56-9107-3C05ED61B5E7@bluebottle.com> <5E893B23-2B20-4066-92F1-4081E8AF0B54@bluebottle.com> <83537F7C-BF2E-4DED-9F69-0B1A00D2BB4C@softcon.com> Message-ID: <75318130-08A8-4BFD-839E-E9669FE6192C@mac-access.net> People! Will you ***PLEASE*** stop hijacking threads! From gordon at mac-access.net Mon May 16 10:58:07 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:58:07 +0100 Subject: Media playing options for Mac? In-Reply-To: <8A6A9876E5394C7BBD34B2A6AE621DEF@DCQ0CYF1> References: <303B22DF20774B0180069B3FB7E797F7@DCQ0CYF1> <4A6E3536-FFD2-4884-B7AF-BCD93AEF4B0A@mac-access.net> <8A6A9876E5394C7BBD34B2A6AE621DEF@DCQ0CYF1> Message-ID: <034E9BB0-259C-4FB9-AA98-84A977F311C9@mac-access.net> Hello Tracy We understand that, of course. Lynne was just offering a piece of very general advice which many people offer when others are switching to a new OS. I moved in early 2005 ands I found that the best way was to totally forget about what I used to use, pretend I'd never used it. Gordon On 15 May 2011, at 07:18, Tracy wrote: I understand about not comparing to windows. However, telling what program I am used to using and have preferred to use may give the idea of the kind of performance and usability I am looking for. Most of what I do with my computer is email, and uploading and downloading music as well as playing it. Thank you for your advice and information. From jj.turley at btinternet.com Mon May 16 11:23:43 2011 From: jj.turley at btinternet.com (John Turley) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 11:23:43 +0100 Subject: voiceover and www.bbc.co.uk In-Reply-To: <60FEA30A-0C37-4105-BA75-D211298EF494@googlemail.com> References: <60FEA30A-0C37-4105-BA75-D211298EF494@googlemail.com> Message-ID: Yes Gordon, I have been unable to view the BBC site for quite a while, despite several suggestions. http://www.sitescotland.org/ "Supporting the visually impaired community" On 16 May 2011, at 10:49, Gordon Keen wrote: > mac-access at mac-access.net From krbarry at gmail.com Mon May 16 11:24:22 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 06:24:22 -0400 Subject: wifi on iphone not connecting In-Reply-To: <7E3B0432-48AF-463C-8B37-92492810A251@softcon.com> References: <7E3B0432-48AF-463C-8B37-92492810A251@softcon.com> Message-ID: <4dd0fb50.ce3edc0a.2769.019d@mx.google.com> try turning off the broadcast of your network ID and then change it to something obscure that won't b guessed. Makes it tougher for the freeloader at least. Kevin At 05:33 PM 5/15/2011, you wrote: >We had a similar problem. We had several computers, and 3 ipod >touches all connecting to our wireless network using passwords, then >just one day the ipods refused to connect anymore, no matter how many >times we reset the network and the ipods. >We had no choice but to remove the password on the network, then >instantly, the ipods connected and there's been no further trouble. >Why this is I have no idea, they all worked perfectly when we first >got them, but afterwords, no matter what we tried, they just wouldn't >connect anymore. > >I'd really like to get it fixed though, since we have at least 1 >freeloader in the neighborhood who sucks our bandwidth into oblivion >everytime they get on it. >We've blocked their mac address, but they still manage to connnect >anyhow and it's really irritating. We didn't have that >problem when the password was on it. > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From va3ets2000 at me.com Mon May 16 11:46:21 2011 From: va3ets2000 at me.com (Dan Eickmeier) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 06:46:21 -0400 Subject: Time on third gen iPod touch going out of whack when synced to iTunes? Message-ID: <122A9B1D-8CE2-4E07-B32B-7D508E6B0808@me.com> Hi all, posting here on behalf of a friend of mine who is having this weird issue. She's on the other OS, XP pro on a dell laptop. WHenever she syncs her iPod touch to her computer, the time on the device goes two hours ahead of where it should be, and she said sometimes the date will change as well, depending if it goes out of whack to be past midnight. So she ends up having to go into settings on the device and set it right again. The actual time and date on her computer is set right though? I've never seen this before, any help to resolve this issue will be appreciated. From anne at anarchie.org.uk Mon May 16 11:48:39 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:48:39 +0200 Subject: voiceover and www.bbc.co.uk In-Reply-To: <60FEA30A-0C37-4105-BA75-D211298EF494@googlemail.com> References: <60FEA30A-0C37-4105-BA75-D211298EF494@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <16E515BF-78E3-4218-965C-67F22491581D@anarchie.org.uk> Hello Gordon, I'm having no trouble at all with the BBC home page. I'm in groups mode and have tried navigating with the VO keys plus arrows, and by headings. It works with Quick Nav, too. Cheers, Anne On 16 May 2011, at 11:49, Gordon Keen wrote: > Hi > > Has anyone difficulty navigating the BBC web site? > > As soon as I move past the access ability section crash reporter kicks in and I have to come out of safari. > > My son is here and he has duplicated this on his mac book pro and reported it as a bug to apple but I am curious as to how many others have the same problem. > > Cheers > > G > > From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. > Catch the buzz at http://www.bridgerule.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gordonkeen at googlemail.com Mon May 16 12:21:01 2011 From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 12:21:01 +0100 Subject: voiceover and www.bbc.co.uk In-Reply-To: <16E515BF-78E3-4218-965C-67F22491581D@anarchie.org.uk> References: <60FEA30A-0C37-4105-BA75-D211298EF494@googlemail.com> <16E515BF-78E3-4218-965C-67F22491581D@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: Hi Anne Thanks, it works here in group mode but you know...I'm a dom kind of guy. I really, really don't like group mode. Wonder why it's only the BBC web site that does this in dom mode? Regards G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. Catch the buzz at http://www.bridgerule.co.uk On 16 May 2011, at 11:48, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello Gordon, > > I'm having no trouble at all with the BBC home page. I'm in groups mode and have tried navigating with the VO keys plus arrows, and by headings. It works with Quick Nav, too. > > Cheers, > > Anne > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Mon May 16 13:05:16 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 09:05:16 -0300 Subject: wifi on iphone not connecting References: <7E3B0432-48AF-463C-8B37-92492810A251@softcon.com> <59A8C964-2B9A-45CD-864D-61C2CE62B555@mac.com> Message-ID: <6E3C057A158A41B4BD67C4193ECEC839@CNIBnotebook> Esther: In the case of my client, (g) was what worked for him. Cheers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: wifi on iphone not connecting > Hi Jim, > > On May 15, 2011, at 13:20, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > >> Hello; for what it's worth: >> >> I was dealing with a client who had exactly the same problem. I advised >> him to switch his router 802.11b/g/n Mode to one of those modes (G or N) >> >> This might solve your problem. >> >> Cheers. > > Interesting, I've heard of people who had this problem when different > parts of their network ran in different modes. My original Airport > Express (in my posted reply) was 802.11b/g (no "n" option at the time that > the first Airport Express models were produced. As I said, this Airport > Express still works, but I've decommissioned it as the main unit.) > > Cheers, > > Esther > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From rose at chicksdigmacs.net Mon May 16 13:17:26 2011 From: rose at chicksdigmacs.net (Rose Morales) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 08:17:26 -0400 Subject: Voiceover not speaking on guest account Message-ID: Hi all, A few months ago I had a problem with Voiceover not speaking on my main user account. After running some diagnostic tests suggested to me by a very technical friend, I discovered that Voiceover had speaking privileges on Root but not on my main user account. My solution was to create a new user account. I enabled root login via SSH and logged in via the GUI to create a new account, and all was well. At least I thought. I switched to the guest account this morning so that my mother could use Safari, as her computer has a virus which she has not fixed yet. Upon switching, I lost speech. Mom could see Voiceover coming up on the screen, but I could not hear it speaking. It seems that whatever problem effected my old user account carried over to the guest account. THis makes sense to me, as I created the guest account using my old user account. I tried disabling and reenabling the guest account using my new main account. THis did not work. However I would like control over my guest account again. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Rose From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Mon May 16 13:52:18 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 13:52:18 +0100 Subject: odd anomaly with Audio Hijack Pro Message-ID: <4F147E1D-CE8A-4AEB-9295-EC8EB4130E1E@computing.dcu.ie> HI all, I was trying to hijack some content on Saturday. Now in order to listen to this content, I had to log onto a UK VPN. It was, in fact, content from BBC. What's interesting, is that even though I could hear the content fine, the stream picked up by AudioHijack Pro was the non-uk version. Anyone seen this or know a workaround? D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From gordon at mac-access.net Mon May 16 14:02:30 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:02:30 +0100 Subject: Voiceover not speaking on guest account In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rose I have encountered something similar only once. In that instance it turned out to be a kernel issue which, to this date, I don't understand. But that's what the Apple "tech" I used at the time described it as. This was way before I knew much about OSX, but the symptoms were as you describe. We tried creating accounts all over the place, nothing would fi it. In the end, the problem was fixed by re-running the combo updater from the previous version of the OS to the current one rather than relying on the Software Update process. After running the combo updater, we were fine. I wonder whether that might be worth trying in your case? Just a suggestion although it sounds crazy. Gordon On 16 May 2011, at 13:17, Rose Morales wrote: Hi all, A few months ago I had a problem with Voiceover not speaking on my main user account. After running some diagnostic tests suggested to me by a very technical friend, I discovered that Voiceover had speaking privileges on Root but not on my main user account. My solution was to create a new user account. I enabled root login via SSH and logged in via the GUI to create a new account, and all was well. At least I thought. I switched to the guest account this morning so that my mother could use Safari, as her computer has a virus which she has not fixed yet. Upon switching, I lost speech. Mom could see Voiceover coming up on the screen, but I could not hear it speaking. It seems that whatever problem effected my old user account carried over to the guest account. THis makes sense to me, as I created the guest account using my old user account. I tried disabling and reenabling the guest account using my new main account. THis did not work. However I would like control over my gues t account again. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Rose _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Mon May 16 14:24:03 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:24:03 +0100 Subject: Using All Upercase when typing on iPhone, and iPod Touch. Message-ID: <7A2A8F00-6E4A-4CB2-BAE3-3D1E3D772E29@googlemail.com> Hello All. Just a quick question: does anyone know if there is a way to enable permanent uppercase when typing in a wireless key or something that uses all capitals? I keep double-tapping Shift before I type in a letter to make it uppercase, but I wondered if there was a way to make it stay on uppercase, just like CapsLock on the Mac. Your help would be greatly appreciated. Regards. Lewis Crack. :) From rose at chicksdigmacs.net Mon May 16 14:47:03 2011 From: rose at chicksdigmacs.net (Rose Morales) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 09:47:03 -0400 Subject: Voiceover not speaking on guest account In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, weird things solve weird problems. I'm getting the update now. We'll see how it goes. Rose On May 16, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Gordon Smith wrote: > Hi Rose > > I have encountered something similar only once. In that instance it turned out to be a kernel issue which, to this date, I don't understand. But that's what the Apple "tech" I used at the time described it as. > > This was way before I knew much about OSX, but the symptoms were as you describe. We tried creating accounts all over the place, nothing would fi it. In the end, the problem was fixed by re-running the combo updater from the previous version of the OS to the current one rather than relying on the Software Update process. > > After running the combo updater, we were fine. I wonder whether that might be worth trying in your case? Just a suggestion although it sounds crazy. > > Gordon > > > On 16 May 2011, at 13:17, Rose Morales wrote: > > Hi all, > A few months ago I had a problem with Voiceover not speaking on my main user account. After running some diagnostic tests suggested to me by a very technical friend, I discovered that Voiceover had speaking privileges on Root but not on my main user account. My solution was to create a new user account. I enabled root login via SSH and logged in via the GUI to create a new account, and all was well. At least I thought. I switched to the guest account this morning so that my mother could use Safari, as her computer has a virus which she has not fixed yet. Upon switching, I lost speech. Mom could see Voiceover coming up on the screen, but I could not hear it speaking. It seems that whatever problem effected my old user account carried over to the guest account. THis makes sense to me, as I created the guest account using my old user account. I tried disabling and reenabling the guest account using my new main account. THis did not work. However I would like control over my gues > t account again. Any suggestions would be appreciated. > > Rose > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From christopherh40 at googlemail.com Mon May 16 14:57:15 2011 From: christopherh40 at googlemail.com (chris hallsworth) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 14:57:15 +0100 Subject: Hi Message-ID: <4DD12D3B.8030604@googlemail.com> Hello all. I have just joined this list. I have acquired an iPod Touch 32 GB 4th generation. Hope to learn from this list and contribute where necessary. Take care. -- Chris Hallsworth From ian456 at me.com Mon May 16 17:05:44 2011 From: ian456 at me.com (Ian Robinson) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:05:44 +0100 Subject: Numbers navigation Message-ID: <5DB47821-5ABD-476A-A477-78EE7670C469@me.com> Hi All, I'm getting frequent "busy" messages while trying to navigate a NUmbers spreadsheet. If the sheet only has a couple of hundred rows, then VoiceOver responds normally. However, with a sheet containing over 1500 rows, VO announces "Numbers busy. Numbers ready" each time a cursor key is pressed. so far, the only thing I've found that helps is to turn off Cursor Tracking. Any other suggestions for making Numbers easier to work with would be much appreciated. Regards. Ian From roger.firman at btinternet.com Mon May 16 17:09:29 2011 From: roger.firman at btinternet.com (Roger Firman) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 17:09:29 +0100 Subject: Special Symbols and Characters on the regular Mac Keyboard (currentmaster list) In-Reply-To: <0D0B4BB8-F5DC-49BB-8B85-A37039AA639F@mac.com> Message-ID: Hello Esther, Many thanks, much appreciated. Regards, Roger. From james.austin at mac-access.net Mon May 16 17:37:24 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:37:24 +0200 Subject: New IPod Touch 4th Gen was Re: Hi In-Reply-To: <4DD12D3B.8030604@googlemail.com> References: <4DD12D3B.8030604@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <44E5613D-8654-442A-BEDB-FC2E7F9B4893@mac-access.net> On 16 May 2011, at 15:57, chris hallsworth wrote: > Hello all. > I have just joined this list. I have acquired an iPod Touch 32 GB 4th generation. > Hope to learn from this list and contribute where necessary. > Take care. > -- > > Chris Hallsworth > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Mon May 16 17:40:09 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:40:09 +0200 Subject: New IPod Touch 4th Gen was Re: Hi In-Reply-To: <44E5613D-8654-442A-BEDB-FC2E7F9B4893@mac-access.net> References: <4DD12D3B.8030604@googlemail.com> <44E5613D-8654-442A-BEDB-FC2E7F9B4893@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <1E63CC2B-9E74-45F5-B0F7-2E6ACA99ED39@mac-access.net> please stay on topic folks. "Hi" is not an appropriate subject line. Thanks for your understanding and co-operation. TC :) James On 16 May 2011, at 18:37, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > > On 16 May 2011, at 15:57, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> Hello all. >> I have just joined this list. I have acquired an iPod Touch 32 GB 4th generation. >> Hope to learn from this list and contribute where necessary. >> Take care. >> -- >> >> Chris Hallsworth >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Mon May 16 17:47:58 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 06:47:58 -1000 Subject: Using All Upercase when typing on iPhone, and iPod Touch. In-Reply-To: <7A2A8F00-6E4A-4CB2-BAE3-3D1E3D772E29@googlemail.com> References: <7A2A8F00-6E4A-4CB2-BAE3-3D1E3D772E29@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <9B30E7DE-30DC-4FEA-8E45-FB63D0D4D8A7@mac.com> Hello Lewis, To type in all upper case letters on your iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad you can either do a double split tap on the Shift key (i.e., touch the Shift key with one finger and double tap the screen with a second finger), or triple tap the Shift key to set it to all caps. Then when type other keys, you'll hear them all announced as "Capital". To undo the "Caps Lock" effect, just double tap the Shift key once more. HTH. Cheers, Esther On May 16, 2011, at 03:24, Lewis Crack wrote: > Hello All. > > Just a quick question: does anyone know if there is a way to enable permanent uppercase when typing in a wireless key or something that uses all capitals? > I keep double-tapping Shift before I type in a letter to make it uppercase, but I wondered if there was a way to make it stay on uppercase, just like CapsLock on the Mac. > Your help would be greatly appreciated. > Regards. > Lewis Crack. :) From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Mon May 16 18:47:38 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:47:38 +0100 Subject: Using All Upercase when typing on iPhone, and iPod Touch. In-Reply-To: <9B30E7DE-30DC-4FEA-8E45-FB63D0D4D8A7@mac.com> References: <7A2A8F00-6E4A-4CB2-BAE3-3D1E3D772E29@googlemail.com> <9B30E7DE-30DC-4FEA-8E45-FB63D0D4D8A7@mac.com> Message-ID: <71549B91-064A-4257-A488-B8F5C4335A2B@googlemail.com> Hi Esther. Thanks very much for your help! I will do this. Regards. Lewis. On 16 May 2011, at 17:47, Esther wrote: > Hello Lewis, > > To type in all upper case letters on your iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad you can either do a double split tap on the Shift key (i.e., touch the Shift key with one finger and double tap the screen with a second finger), or triple tap the Shift key to set it to all caps. Then when type other keys, you'll hear them all announced as "Capital". To undo the "Caps Lock" effect, just double tap the Shift key once more. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On May 16, 2011, at 03:24, Lewis Crack wrote: > >> Hello All. >> >> Just a quick question: does anyone know if there is a way to enable permanent uppercase when typing in a wireless key or something that uses all capitals? >> I keep double-tapping Shift before I type in a letter to make it uppercase, but I wondered if there was a way to make it stay on uppercase, just like CapsLock on the Mac. >> Your help would be greatly appreciated. >> Regards. >> Lewis Crack. :) > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From christopherh40 at googlemail.com Mon May 16 19:52:12 2011 From: christopherh40 at googlemail.com (chris hallsworth) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 19:52:12 +0100 Subject: Introduction and new iPod Message-ID: <4DD1725C.40509@googlemail.com> Hello all. I have just joined this list. I have acquired an iPod Touch 32 GB 4th generation. Hope to learn from this list and contribute where necessary. Take care. -- Chris Hallsworth From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Mon May 16 19:57:08 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 19:57:08 +0100 Subject: Introduction and new iPod In-Reply-To: <4DD1725C.40509@googlemail.com> References: <4DD1725C.40509@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <0018D03D-FF39-4037-A680-15DF6E02DCC5@googlemail.com> Hi chris good to see you on this list mate you'll love your ipod it's a brilliant peace of softwhere and you'll love using it. there's some very good games and apps on there. Ian McNamara From grandtheogonist at googlemail.com Mon May 16 20:22:12 2011 From: grandtheogonist at googlemail.com (Karl) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 20:22:12 +0100 Subject: New IPod Touch 4th Gen was Re: Hi References: <4DD12D3B.8030604@googlemail.com><44E5613D-8654-442A-BEDB-FC2E7F9B4893@mac-access.net> <1E63CC2B-9E74-45F5-B0F7-2E6ACA99ED39@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9F1F9553ECBF483BA61C0A47FF12935C@samsungnc10> Why is Hi not an appropriate subject line when introducing oneself to the list, he was after all, saying Hi? Friendly. Karl ----- Original Message ----- From: "JAMES AUSTIN" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 5:40 PM Subject: Re: New IPod Touch 4th Gen was Re: Hi please stay on topic folks. "Hi" is not an appropriate subject line. Thanks for your understanding and co-operation. TC :) James On 16 May 2011, at 18:37, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > > On 16 May 2011, at 15:57, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> Hello all. >> I have just joined this list. I have acquired an iPod Touch 32 GB 4th >> generation. >> Hope to learn from this list and contribute where necessary. >> Take care. >> -- >> >> Chris Hallsworth >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com Mon May 16 20:47:17 2011 From: julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com (Julie Vaughan) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 20:47:17 +0100 Subject: wifi on iphone not connecting In-Reply-To: <16FE36A4-8CD4-4CD5-9C4A-D7F973A91E28@googlemail.com> References: <16FE36A4-8CD4-4CD5-9C4A-D7F973A91E28@googlemail.com> Message-ID: well its bazare as soon as i sent message it came back on so not sure what happened there but thanks lewd will bear it in mind for next time jules :) On 15 May 2011, at 18:15, Lewis Crack wrote: > Hi Julie. > > Have you tried selecting your WiFi, and retyping in the key, making sure that the password is correct? If you have, it may be a question of resetting your iPhone. > As you have all the stuff on your computer, that should be quite a quick process. > If you want help, feel free to call me. > chat soon. > Lewis. :) > On 15 May 2011, at 17:54, Julie Vaughan wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> i set up on my iphone to connect to my home wifi and it was doing ok till a couple of weeks ago but now it wont connect at all i put the pass word in and nothing happens i have it on my ipod and thats fine so im at a bit of a loss >> >> any help here would be great >> >> many thanks >> >> jules >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com Mon May 16 20:49:43 2011 From: julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com (Julie Vaughan) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 20:49:43 +0100 Subject: wifi on iphone not connecting In-Reply-To: <7E3B0432-48AF-463C-8B37-92492810A251@softcon.com> References: <7E3B0432-48AF-463C-8B37-92492810A251@softcon.com> Message-ID: <4EA74FE1-97BF-4873-88F8-7E5E32E88BC9@virginmedia.com> seems to be back on now argh but thanks will try that next time smiley On 15 May 2011, at 22:33, Travis Siegel wrote: > We had a similar problem. We had several computers, and 3 ipod touches all connecting to our wireless network using passwords, then just one day the ipods refused to connect anymore, no matter how many times we reset the network and the ipods. > We had no choice but to remove the password on the network, then instantly, the ipods connected and there's been no further trouble. > Why this is I have no idea, they all worked perfectly when we first got them, but afterwords, no matter what we tried, they just wouldn't connect anymore. > > I'd really like to get it fixed though, since we have at least 1 freeloader in the neighborhood who sucks our bandwidth into oblivion everytime they get on it. > We've blocked their mac address, but they still manage to connnect anyhow and it's really irritating. We didn't have that problem when the password was on it. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Mon May 16 20:53:31 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 20:53:31 +0100 Subject: wifi on iphone not connecting In-Reply-To: References: <16FE36A4-8CD4-4CD5-9C4A-D7F973A91E28@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <00513D87-8135-4F50-A318-D3571E33FB55@googlemail.com> Hay jules glad it's sorted now. smiley From julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com Mon May 16 21:03:05 2011 From: julie.vaughan1 at virginmedia.com (Julie Vaughan) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 21:03:05 +0100 Subject: Hi In-Reply-To: <4DD12D3B.8030604@googlemail.com> References: <4DD12D3B.8030604@googlemail.com> Message-ID: hi chris welcome to the list im sure u will get loads of help from here smiles jules On 16 May 2011, at 14:57, chris hallsworth wrote: > Hello all. > I have just joined this list. I have acquired an iPod Touch 32 GB 4th generation. > Hope to learn from this list and contribute where necessary. > Take care. > -- > > Chris Hallsworth > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Mon May 16 21:18:22 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 21:18:22 +0100 Subject: Hi In-Reply-To: References: <4DD12D3B.8030604@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <0286EB00-C9C6-4EC2-BC30-656951D4CA85@googlemail.com> we should start a Skype ipod club now smiley it's cool to see all my friends getting them. From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Mon May 16 21:41:05 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 21:41:05 +0100 Subject: wifi on iphone not connecting In-Reply-To: <00513D87-8135-4F50-A318-D3571E33FB55@googlemail.com> References: <16FE36A4-8CD4-4CD5-9C4A-D7F973A91E28@googlemail.com> <00513D87-8135-4F50-A318-D3571E33FB55@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <31C32068-0761-4607-B12B-6118D4122570@googlemail.com> Hi Julie! Yeah, glad to know it's fixed! :) Lewis. :) On 16 May 2011, at 20:53, Ian McNamara wrote: > Hay jules glad it's sorted now. > > smiley > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Mon May 16 21:41:41 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 21:41:41 +0100 Subject: Hi In-Reply-To: <0286EB00-C9C6-4EC2-BC30-656951D4CA85@googlemail.com> References: <4DD12D3B.8030604@googlemail.com> <0286EB00-C9C6-4EC2-BC30-656951D4CA85@googlemail.com> Message-ID: Yeah, I agree! :) Lewis :) On 16 May 2011, at 21:18, Ian McNamara wrote: > we should start a Skype ipod club now smiley it's cool to see all my friends getting them. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon May 16 22:01:07 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 16:01:07 -0500 Subject: wifi on iphone not connecting In-Reply-To: <4dd0fb50.ce3edc0a.2769.019d@mx.google.com> References: <7E3B0432-48AF-463C-8B37-92492810A251@softcon.com> <4dd0fb50.ce3edc0a.2769.019d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On May 16, 2011, at 5:24 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: > try turning off the broadcast of your network ID and then change it > to something obscure that won't b guessed. > Makes it tougher for the freeloader at least. That opens up a whole new can of worms. I had tried that too, but the ipods refused to connect at all then, because they couldn't find the network, and for some reason, they wouldn't allow us to type one in. It's all very irritating. For now, we just keep blocking mac addresses as they come up, and turning off the network for 10 minutes or so when traffic from our piggybacker gets heavy. That makes them move on to whatever network they normally use, at least it keeps them off of ours for the next day or two anyhow. We could try it all again I suppose, since it has been a few months since we setup everything up the way it is now, so perhaps things have changed sufficiently to make things behave properly, but I won't hold my breath on it. From krbarry at gmail.com Mon May 16 23:10:56 2011 From: krbarry at gmail.com (Kevin Barry) Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 18:10:56 -0400 Subject: wifi on iphone not connecting In-Reply-To: References: <7E3B0432-48AF-463C-8B37-92492810A251@softcon.com> <4dd0fb50.ce3edc0a.2769.019d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4dd1a0e9.9d7cdc0a.3fd3.120a@mx.google.com> On my NetGear router, and the previous one as well, you could approve mac addresses. that is, only ones you specifically allowed could gain access. Also, with regard to turning off the SSID broadcast; you might try turning it on, logging your devices onto the network as usual then turn SSID broadcast off. I don't know if this would work but it might just, as you can log on once and the devices should remember the network. hth Kevin At 05:01 PM 5/16/2011, you wrote: >On May 16, 2011, at 5:24 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: > >>try turning off the broadcast of your network ID and then change it >>to something obscure that won't b guessed. >>Makes it tougher for the freeloader at least. >That opens up a whole new can of worms. I had tried that too, but >the ipods refused to connect at all then, because they couldn't find >the network, and for some reason, they wouldn't allow us to type one in. >It's all very irritating. For now, we just keep blocking mac >addresses as they come up, and turning off the network for 10 minutes >or so when traffic from our piggybacker gets heavy. That makes them >move on to whatever network they normally use, at least it keeps them >off of ours for the next day or two anyhow. >We could try it all again I suppose, since it has been a few months >since we setup everything up the way it is now, so perhaps things >have changed sufficiently to make things behave properly, but I won't >hold my breath on it. > > >_______________________________________________ > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages >posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From lara_green at btinternet.com Tue May 17 04:45:04 2011 From: lara_green at btinternet.com (Lara Green) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 04:45:04 +0100 Subject: Introduction and new iPod In-Reply-To: <0018D03D-FF39-4037-A680-15DF6E02DCC5@googlemail.com> References: <4DD1725C.40509@googlemail.com> <0018D03D-FF39-4037-A680-15DF6E02DCC5@googlemail.com> Message-ID: As an iOS voice Over e hat games do you enjoy? Lara Sent from my iPhone On 16 May 2011, at 19:57, Ian McNamara wrote: > Hi chris good to see you on this list mate you'll love your ipod it's a brilliant peace of softwhere and you'll love using it. there's some very good games and apps on there. > > Ian McNamara > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From khwicca at gmail.com Tue May 17 05:48:08 2011 From: khwicca at gmail.com (Kristeen Hughes) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 00:48:08 -0400 Subject: thread information Message-ID: I have asked for my mail to be organized by thread. How do I get the information about who started the thread and how many messages are in the thread, etc? Thanks. Kristeen From james.austin at mac-access.net Tue May 17 08:04:49 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 09:04:49 +0200 Subject: Skype IPod club was Re: Hi In-Reply-To: References: <4DD12D3B.8030604@googlemail.com> <0286EB00-C9C6-4EC2-BC30-656951D4CA85@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <9803C41F-C87E-4CEB-AFF6-8E73D65BB687@mac-access.net> Hi everyone, The suggestion of a Skype IPod club sounds really cool, but please can we start this topic on a new thread? Also, this thread is now closed. Thanks for your understanding and co-operation TC :) James O n 16 May 2011, at 22:41, Lewis Crack wrote: > Yeah, I agree! :) > Lewis :) > On 16 May 2011, at 21:18, Ian McNamara wrote: > >> we should start a Skype ipod club now smiley it's cool to see all my friends getting them. >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Tue May 17 08:06:32 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 08:06:32 +0100 Subject: Introduction and new iPod In-Reply-To: References: <4DD1725C.40509@googlemail.com> <0018D03D-FF39-4037-A680-15DF6E02DCC5@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4E99C18C-DDA2-4940-A3BB-873EAE5971C8@googlemail.com> let me think. well there's popa sangrey and the night jar there very cool games. zaney touch flip it and smack me are also good. chesswise and drafts wise i also have but have not worked out how to play them yet. also Pingpong is a lot of fun to. Ian McNamara From james.austin at mac-access.net Tue May 17 08:41:25 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 09:41:25 +0200 Subject: Games for IPod and IOS was Re: Introduction and new iPod In-Reply-To: <4E99C18C-DDA2-4940-A3BB-873EAE5971C8@googlemail.com> References: <4DD1725C.40509@googlemail.com> <0018D03D-FF39-4037-A680-15DF6E02DCC5@googlemail.com> <4E99C18C-DDA2-4940-A3BB-873EAE5971C8@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <17D233E3-4CE5-4FFF-9914-B62338D0D8B6@mac-access.net> Hello everyone, I've changed the subject line of this thread as it now talks about gaming and no longer reflects an introduction. Come on folks please can we stick to relevant subject lines, either by modifying existing ones or by creating nw threads? Thanks TC :) James On 17 May 2011, at 09:06, Ian McNamara wrote: > let me think. well there's popa sangrey and the night jar there very cool games. zaney touch flip it and smack me are also good. chesswise and drafts wise i also have but have not worked out how to play them yet. also Pingpong is a lot of fun to. > > Ian McNamara > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue May 17 08:48:18 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 00:48:18 -0700 Subject: thread information In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6BB917EF-F69D-48E4-B0E1-4ABF59333521@gmail.com> What I do is open the thread with right arrow. Then I select the messages I want to read. This is usually how I do it. I know of no better way but if ther is one I'd like to know as mine is clunky lol! Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 16, 2011, at 9:48 PM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: > I have asked for my mail to be organized by thread. How do I get the information about who started the thread and how many messages are in the thread, etc? > > Thanks. > > Kristeen > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From christopherh40 at googlemail.com Tue May 17 10:36:45 2011 From: christopherh40 at googlemail.com (chris hallsworth) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 10:36:45 +0100 Subject: To all podcast on iPod Touch Message-ID: <4DD241AD.3030501@googlemail.com> Hello all. I am thinking of doing a podcast on the iPod Touch 32 TB 4th generation. Most of the podcasts out there only deal with the third generation, and there are some subtle differences between that and the fourth generation. One of which is an in-built microphone, meaning I will be recording from the iPod Touch, using the Voice Memos feature. All thoughts are very welcome. I don't know when I will do it, but suffice to say stay tuned. Many thanks. Take care. -- Chris Hallsworth Sent from Thunderbird From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue May 17 10:37:16 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 19:37:16 +1000 Subject: Accessible World Clock app for Ipad Message-ID: <824EB0C4-14C8-480C-A73B-238040089EE1@internode.on.net> Yep, I found one and its called World Clocks if you want to look it up in the app store. Operation is simple, a separate clock for each city in the world is displayed which shows current date and time for that location, you can add and edit as you wish. there's a "Settings" panel though I don't think any of those are going to make a huge amount of difference to the app for those of us who have no vision as the settings control the various themes for the app, backgrounds and so on. Cost of the app is $02.00. Sent from my iPad From stuartyoung at samobile.net Tue May 17 11:43:44 2011 From: stuartyoung at samobile.net (Stuart Young) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 06:43:44 -0400 Subject: entreing post codes in to navagon. Message-ID: <20110517104344.4810.69782@ip-10-203-66-216.ec2.internal> Hi all. does anyone know how i would go about entering a post code in to navagon for the IPhone? Regards Stuart. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From lynne at mac-access.net Tue May 17 13:40:06 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 13:40:06 +0100 Subject: How to make OSX forget networks Message-ID: Hello everybody How are you supposed to make OS X forget about networks it has connected too in the past? I have unchecked the "Remember networks this computer has joined" check box but still our machine is consistently connecting the wrong network on start-up. Looking at the list of networks it has joined, I see a lot of networks which don't even exist any longer still listed there and I can't for the life of me get them to go away. I've tried clicking on them, control+clicking on them, double-clicking, everything I can think of; but they just won't go away. Nor can I stop it connecting on the wrong network on start-up, even though the box is definitely unchecked. Any info would be appreciated. I would even be prepared to edit a preference file if that's what it takes. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Tue May 17 14:14:38 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 14:14:38 +0100 Subject: Arguing about subject lines Message-ID: <80AF541C-0800-4062-A5C3-110CE8C2F0BE@mac-access.net> Hello everybody If people have issues with requests to stay on topic, and to observe proper list protocol, may I ask that you please either contact us, or one of the two able assistant list controllers: Anne Robertson; or James Austin off list, rather than posting to the group. This list has strict rules regarding subject lines and topical discussions. We have been told in the past by those who run Google groups etc. that we are wrong to do this. However, this is not their decision; it's ours. Please feel free to voice your concerns, ask your questions off list. We will try to address them for you. But on list, please stay on topic and observe list protocol which, after all, is laid down in the policy document for the list which each and every one of you was sent after joining. Lynne From james.austin at mac-access.net Tue May 17 15:30:23 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 16:30:23 +0200 Subject: Arguing about subject lines In-Reply-To: <80AF541C-0800-4062-A5C3-110CE8C2F0BE@mac-access.net> References: <80AF541C-0800-4062-A5C3-110CE8C2F0BE@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I would just like to commend Lynne for her message and to correct an error. Lynne accidentally mistyped my address. It is james.austin at mac-access.net TC :) James On 17 May 2011, at 15:14, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > If people have issues with requests to stay on topic, and to observe proper list protocol, may I ask that you please either contact us, or one of the two able assistant list controllers: > Anne Robertson; > or > James Austin > off list, rather than posting to the group. This list has strict rules regarding subject lines and topical discussions. We have been told in the past by those who run Google groups etc. that we are wrong to do this. However, this is not their decision; it's ours. > > Please feel free to voice your concerns, ask your questions off list. We will try to address them for you. But on list, please stay on topic and observe list protocol which, after all, is laid down in the policy document for the list which each and every one of you was sent after joining. > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue May 17 16:06:53 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 16:06:53 +0100 Subject: Arguing about subject lines In-Reply-To: References: <80AF541C-0800-4062-A5C3-110CE8C2F0BE@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello James On 17 May 2011, at 15:30, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: ? It is james.austin at mac-access.net Oopse,! Sorry about that everybody! James is quite right and the correction is noted. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Tue May 17 16:57:29 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 16:57:29 +0100 Subject: Anybody Else Using DocuScan Plus? Message-ID: <25F0E8F5-A933-4931-8381-3E5B88A373D1@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Is anybody else in the group currently using DocuScan Plus for Mac? If so, I have a question which you might be able to answer. Forgive my probable ignorance here; but I was under the impression that DocuScan Plus was able to save as PDF and HTML, amongst other formats. But when I try to save to the computer the only format I'm being offered is RTF which isn't at all what I wanted for the particular task in hand. I have been able to produce a sort of DAISY book, although I don't appear to be having much luck playing the book in Oleria for some reason. It checks out as a valid book according to the info, although extremely basic in terms of navigation and user interaction. Anyway, comments from other users welcome. I have to admit that I do share the concerns voiced by others regarding using a cloud as the first level of saving. I just have a bit of a problem with that in terms of security and Gordon and I are unwilling to incorporate DocuScan Plus into our report and document preparation mechanism until or unless certain issues are satisfactorily addressed for us by their support people. However, the specifics have been very difficult to attain, so far. Serotek seems to be a little unwilling to discuss the specifics of their security arrangements and given that some of the documents we need to deal with are highly sensitive in nature, we require answers. Lynne From carol.pearson29 at googlemail.com Tue May 17 17:29:42 2011 From: carol.pearson29 at googlemail.com (Carol Pearson) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 17:29:42 +0100 Subject: wifi on iphone not connecting References: <7E3B0432-48AF-463C-8B37-92492810A251@softcon.com><4dd0fb50.ce3edc0a.2769.019d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <92C02950EF614F56809B4A2B60FACE44@FABIAN2> Have you tried broadcasting your network ID for a time to first connect with your IPhone. Once this is done, you can again hide the SSID and the IPhone will remember it. -- Carol P ---- Original Message ---- From: "Travis Siegel" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Monday, May 16, 2011 10:01 PM Subject: Re: wifi on iphone not connecting > On May 16, 2011, at 5:24 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: > >> try turning off the broadcast of your network ID and >> then change it to something obscure that won't b guessed. >> Makes it tougher for the freeloader at least. > That opens up a whole new can of worms. I had tried that > too, but the ipods refused to connect at all then, because they > couldn't find the network, and for some reason, they wouldn't allow us > to type one in. It's all very irritating. For now, we just keep blocking > mac addresses as they come up, and turning off the network > for 10 minutes or so when traffic from our piggybacker gets heavy. That > makes them move on to whatever network they normally use, at least > it keeps them off of ours for the next day or two anyhow. > We could try it all again I suppose, since it has been a > few months since we setup everything up the way it is now, so > perhaps things have changed sufficiently to make things behave properly, > but I won't hold my breath on it. > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages > posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, > spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > Please remember to update your membership options > periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chantelle.griffiths at me.com Tue May 17 23:57:08 2011 From: chantelle.griffiths at me.com (Chantelle Griffiths) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 08:57:08 +1000 Subject: Anybody Else Using DocuScan Plus? In-Reply-To: <25F0E8F5-A933-4931-8381-3E5B88A373D1@mac-access.net> References: <25F0E8F5-A933-4931-8381-3E5B88A373D1@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Lynn, I'm also using DocuScan and as far as I know, you can't save as PDF or HTML. According to the help documentation, you are able to save as RTF, MP3, DAISY and Braille to your local machine. You can also save as "large print" and email the document if you need to. What DocuScan does do is allow you to scan a PDF image file (or a regular PDF file; I've tried both) and save that in an alternative format. When you're reviewing your scanned file with VO, the text appears in an HTML content area, but isn't saved that way. I, too, don't necessarily like the Cloud idea as the primary way of saving things and wish Serotek would be a little more open about their security, but I don't plan to use DocuScan to scan anything particularly sensitive so that doesn't really affect me personally. I do go through and save every document I scan to my local machine and then delete it from DocuScan when I've finished. I've had great success with DocuScan preserving formatting with things like recipe books that haven't worked at all with other scanning solutions, and although it's slow because it's not done locally, I've found it to be the best solution for me that I've come across so far. Cheers, Chantelle On 18/05/2011, at 1:57 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Is anybody else in the group currently using DocuScan Plus for Mac? If so, I have a question which you might be able to answer. > > Forgive my probable ignorance here; but I was under the impression that DocuScan Plus was able to save as PDF and HTML, amongst other formats. But when I try to save to the computer the only format I'm being offered is RTF which isn't at all what I wanted for the particular task in hand. I have been able to produce a sort of DAISY book, although I don't appear to be having much luck playing the book in Oleria for some reason. It checks out as a valid book according to the info, although extremely basic in terms of navigation and user interaction. > > Anyway, comments from other users welcome. I have to admit that I do share the concerns voiced by others regarding using a cloud as the first level of saving. I just have a bit of a problem with that in terms of security and Gordon and I are unwilling to incorporate DocuScan Plus into our report and document preparation mechanism until or unless certain issues are satisfactorily addressed for us by their support people. However, the specifics have been very difficult to attain, so far. > > Serotek seems to be a little unwilling to discuss the specifics of their security arrangements and given that some of the documents we need to deal with are highly sensitive in nature, we require answers. > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From motten53 at gmail.com Wed May 18 01:24:51 2011 From: motten53 at gmail.com (Mary Otten) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 17:24:51 -0700 Subject: Anybody Else Using DocuScan Plus? In-Reply-To: References: <25F0E8F5-A933-4931-8381-3E5B88A373D1@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <75B5DD0F-317F-47C7-8221-D40F681A7C1D@gmail.com> Hi Chantelle, I am intrigued by the results you have gotten with docuscan on recipe books. Those have always been the most consistently difficult things for me to get good results, both the fractions and sometimes the formatting. Are you using a flatbed scanner or the camera that you have to purchase separately whose name is escaping me at the moment? And if a scanner, which one? Mary Mary Otten motten53 at gmail.com From chantelle.griffiths at me.com Wed May 18 02:38:20 2011 From: chantelle.griffiths at me.com (Chantelle Griffiths) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 11:38:20 +1000 Subject: Scanning Recipe Books Using DocuScan Plus (was Re: Anybody Else Using DocuScan Plus?) In-Reply-To: <75B5DD0F-317F-47C7-8221-D40F681A7C1D@gmail.com> References: <25F0E8F5-A933-4931-8381-3E5B88A373D1@mac-access.net> <75B5DD0F-317F-47C7-8221-D40F681A7C1D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <795A225B-B6E1-4AD8-B269-F88E3769B3C3@me.com> Hi mary, It's taken me a long time to find something that scans recipe books as well as DocuScan. Cooking is my hobby and I have quite a sizable collection of cookbooks with a variety of different fonts and formatting. It's not perfect by any means, but my rule of thumb is that if I have a cookbook with a clear, legible font and few pictures on the recipe page, the OCR results are usually very accurate. In a lot of my books, there are often two recipes on one page with the title at the top, the introduction beneath either extending across the foll page or just above the ingredients list, with the ingredients in the left column and the directions in a column to the right. I've found that DocuScan will largely preserve the formatting and put everything in the correct order. E.g. Title, introduction, ingredients and directions. Then it will do the same for the recipe below it. I've also found that it ignores pictures almost completely. The one slightly inconvenient thing is that it tends to try to OCR dotted lines separating recipes, which is easy enough to delete during editing once the document has been saved to my local machine. I don't often have to correct fractions after the page has been recognised, though at times it has trouble recognising 1/2, as in 1/2 cup flour. It may also leave out the number one at the beginning of an ingredient from time to time, e.g. 1 teaspoon salt, but you can either get someone to check for you or, if you're familiar enough with cooking, you can generally guess the correct amount based on the recipe and other ingredients. It doesn't have any trouble with fractions such as 1 1/2, though it may put them together as in 11/2, in which case you'd need to edit that to correct it. I have one book that has printed notes in the margins of the page, such as other recipes or cooking tips, with the ingredients of a recipe in a column in line with the directions in one big block of text. It's hard to explain but that's the only situation where the formatting hasn't been preserved properly in most cases. In cases like this, you can re-recognise the page and DocuScan seems intelligent enough to try re-recognising the page in a different way if you're in simple scan mode, (which seems to work the best for recipe books,) so that may or may not help. It seems to try looking at all the elements of the page in a totally different way if you re-recognise a page more than once, which makes the end result look quite different in the HTML reading area but can sometimes fix any formatting issues. It may also make things more complicated, but I've hardly ever had to re-recognise a page more than once. It's fairly easy to edit things into their correct places though, and that particular book does have more complicated formatting than most. Just as a quik side note, I put all my recipes and cooking notes into a very accessible Mac app called Mac Gourmet, which is why I need to edit them down, but I can write to you privately about that or post about it in a new thread if you want to know more. As for the scanner, I'm just using a Canon LIDE 25 flatbed USB scanner that my partner bought cheaply at an electronics store. It seems to be doing the job really well at present, though with some books I find I have to gently press down on the spine to ensure the inner margin of a page is scanned properly. I find that DocuScan works well for recipe books, or at least the ones I have. I don't have any that have lots of pictures on the same page as the recipe so I don't know how that would go, but it seems to deal very well with small pictures, ignoring them completely. The only situation I've found it doesn't do well is if, say, a text box with recipe tips in it has a coloured background and the font is either unusual, or a very similar colour. Hope that helps. Cheers, Chantelle On 18/05/2011, at 10:24 AM, Mary Otten wrote: > Hi Chantelle, > > I am intrigued by the results you have gotten with docuscan on recipe books. Those have always been the most consistently difficult things for me to get good results, both the fractions and sometimes the formatting. Are you using a flatbed scanner or the camera that you have to purchase separately whose name is escaping me at the moment? And if a scanner, which one? > > Mary > > Mary Otten > motten53 at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From billd at insightbb.com Wed May 18 03:40:25 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 22:40:25 -0400 Subject: setting up accounts on the I Phone Message-ID: <0157336D-0EC6-4C51-83E0-09D31D4EB704@insightbb.com> hello, I downloaded an app for Pandora Radio on my I phone. I was going through the process of sitting up and account and got dow to the create account now button. I tried double tapping it and nothing happens. has anyone sat up an account for Pandora radio and what was the best way to go about doing it. is this some thing that can be done on the I phone using voice over? Thank you in advance. Bill Deatherage From abreier at kc.rr.com Wed May 18 04:26:23 2011 From: abreier at kc.rr.com (Andrea Breier) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 22:26:23 -0500 Subject: setting up accounts on the I Phone References: <0157336D-0EC6-4C51-83E0-09D31D4EB704@insightbb.com> Message-ID: Here is a brilliant post from the viPhone list that I saved so that I could refer to it or pass along because of how many people were having difficulty with your exact problem. From: viphone at googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone at googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Geoff Stephens Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 1:31 PM To: viphone at googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Pandora Registration: Solution Double tap "I am new to Pandora." Enter e-mail, password, confirm password, zip code, and birth year from the virtual keyboard or a blue tooth connected keyboard. Check, (by double tapping) either male or female, Uncheck the personalized music recommendations unless you desire them, and check the agree to terms of service check box. Double tap and hold the button at the bottom of the page to create the account. Once you hear the three ascending tones, double tap the screen. This should allow you to proceed to the next page. Uncheck the "allow others to view your profiles" check box if you do not want others to view your bookmarks, stations, friends and bio information. Double tap the continue button at the bottom. This should create the account and sign in to Pandora. Just to reiterate, the create account button to move to the final page of the account creation process does not respond to just a VO double tap (single tap) gesture. You have to double tap and hold to cause the button to work. Account creation is a two step process. The button to move to the second step is the only problematic portion of the two steps. End of post Hugs, AJ Recipe for happiness: Live with enthusiasm, smile for no reason, love without conditions, act with purpose, listen with your heart, and laugh often. NET SECURITY: When forwarding email messages please consider your obligation to erase all names and email addresses. And send the message by using BCC (Blind Copy) and you will avoid spammers and viruses on the net. Thank you. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Deatherage" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:40 PM Subject: setting up accounts on the I Phone > hello, > I downloaded an app for Pandora Radio on my I phone. I was going through > the process of sitting up and account and got dow to the create account > now button. I tried double tapping it and nothing happens. has anyone sat > up an account for Pandora radio and what was the best way to go about > doing it. is this some thing that can be done on the I phone using voice > over? > Thank you in advance. > Bill Deatherage > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From w9fyi at mac-access.net Wed May 18 06:54:32 2011 From: w9fyi at mac-access.net (Justin Mann) Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 22:54:32 -0700 Subject: getting chrome to behave? Message-ID: <3F303938-5435-4466-9C1D-3B7CCDAFE6D0@mac-access.net> Hi all, I'm attempting to use google chrome in the search box just to search for something. When i am on the form that I am to type my query in I here my computer start beeping at me like the search box isn't an editable control. I also can't figure out how one makes chances in the preferences tabs? Thanks From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed May 18 09:37:20 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 18:37:20 +1000 Subject: Scanning Recipe Books Using DocuScan Plus (was Re: Anybody Else Using DocuScan Plus?) In-Reply-To: <795A225B-B6E1-4AD8-B269-F88E3769B3C3@me.com> References: <25F0E8F5-A933-4931-8381-3E5B88A373D1@mac-access.net> <75B5DD0F-317F-47C7-8221-D40F681A7C1D@gmail.com> <795A225B-B6E1-4AD8-B269-F88E3769B3C3@me.com> Message-ID: <4DD38540.4080109@internode.on.net> Hi there! I'm not into scanning recipes, I've done it in the past to get my recipe collection onto my computer though. I'm writing to alert you to the Mac Gourmet recipe manager for the Mac and Iphone/ipad which you may not be aware of. This software is a fantastic tool for those who do everything from collect receipes to manage them, prepare meals, shopping lists and related tasks, you can even easily import recipes from food web sites on the internet. On 18/05/2011 11:38 AM, Chantelle Griffiths wrote: > Hi mary, > > It's taken me a long time to find something that scans recipe books as well as DocuScan. Cooking is my hobby and I have quite a sizable collection of cookbooks with a variety of different fonts and formatting. > > It's not perfect by any means, but my rule of thumb is that if I have a cookbook with a clear, legible font and few pictures on the recipe page, the OCR results are usually very accurate. > > In a lot of my books, there are often two recipes on one page with the title at the top, the introduction beneath either extending across the foll page or just above the ingredients list, with the ingredients in the left column and the directions in a column to the right. I've found that DocuScan will largely preserve the formatting and put everything in the correct order. E.g. Title, introduction, ingredients and directions. Then it will do the same for the recipe below it. I've also found that it ignores pictures almost completely. The one slightly inconvenient thing is that it tends to try to OCR dotted lines separating recipes, which is easy enough to delete during editing once the document has been saved to my local machine. > > I don't often have to correct fractions after the page has been recognised, though at times it has trouble recognising 1/2, as in 1/2 cup flour. It may also leave out the number one at the beginning of an ingredient from time to time, e.g. 1 teaspoon salt, but you can either get someone to check for you or, if you're familiar enough with cooking, you can generally guess the correct amount based on the recipe and other ingredients. It doesn't have any trouble with fractions such as 1 1/2, though it may put them together as in 11/2, in which case you'd need to edit that to correct it. > > I have one book that has printed notes in the margins of the page, such as other recipes or cooking tips, with the ingredients of a recipe in a column in line with the directions in one big block of text. It's hard to explain but that's the only situation where the formatting hasn't been preserved properly in most cases. In cases like this, you can re-recognise the page and DocuScan seems intelligent enough to try re-recognising the page in a different way if you're in simple scan mode, (which seems to work the best for recipe books,) so that may or may not help. It seems to try looking at all the elements of the page in a totally different way if you re-recognise a page more than once, which makes the end result look quite different in the HTML reading area but can sometimes fix any formatting issues. It may also make things more complicated, but I've hardly ever had to re-recognise a page more than once. It's fairly easy to edit things into their correct places though, and > that particular book does have more complicated formatting than most. > > Just as a quik side note, I put all my recipes and cooking notes into a very accessible Mac app called Mac Gourmet, which is why I need to edit them down, but I can write to you privately about that or post about it in a new thread if you want to know more. > > As for the scanner, I'm just using a Canon LIDE 25 flatbed USB scanner that my partner bought cheaply at an electronics store. It seems to be doing the job really well at present, though with some books I find I have to gently press down on the spine to ensure the inner margin of a page is scanned properly. > > I find that DocuScan works well for recipe books, or at least the ones I have. I don't have any that have lots of pictures on the same page as the recipe so I don't know how that would go, but it seems to deal very well with small pictures, ignoring them completely. The only situation I've found it doesn't do well is if, say, a text box with recipe tips in it has a coloured background and the font is either unusual, or a very similar colour. > > Hope that helps. > > Cheers, > Chantelle > > > > On 18/05/2011, at 10:24 AM, Mary Otten wrote: > >> Hi Chantelle, >> >> I am intrigued by the results you have gotten with docuscan on recipe books. Those have always been the most consistently difficult things for me to get good results, both the fractions and sometimes the formatting. Are you using a flatbed scanner or the camera that you have to purchase separately whose name is escaping me at the moment? And if a scanner, which one? >> >> Mary >> >> Mary Otten >> motten53 at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chantelle.griffiths at me.com Wed May 18 11:54:00 2011 From: chantelle.griffiths at me.com (Chantelle Griffiths) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 20:54:00 +1000 Subject: Mac Gourmet (was Re: Scanning Recipe Books Using DocuScan Plus) In-Reply-To: <4DD38540.4080109@internode.on.net> References: <25F0E8F5-A933-4931-8381-3E5B88A373D1@mac-access.net> <75B5DD0F-317F-47C7-8221-D40F681A7C1D@gmail.com> <795A225B-B6E1-4AD8-B269-F88E3769B3C3@me.com> <4DD38540.4080109@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hi Dane, Thanks for the reply. I did briefly mention Mac Gourmet in my previous message as the app I use to store my recipes and cooking notes in, and I find it invaluable, especially with the iPhone companion app which I also have on my iPad. Both apps are very accessible and I use them comprehensively on a daily basis. I own the Mac Gourmet Deluxe version of the OS X app and the only advanced feature I've found that doesn't work well is the relationship manager, which is used to tie two recipes together or create a link between a recipe and a cooking note for example. The shopping list creator and meal planner seem to work very well with VoiceOver, as does the recipe view and main interface, provided you don't choose wide screen mode. Cheers, Chantelle On 18/05/2011, at 6:37 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi there! > > I'm not into scanning recipes, I've done it in the past to get my recipe collection onto my computer though. > > I'm writing to alert you to the Mac Gourmet recipe manager for the Mac and Iphone/ipad which you may not be aware of. > > This software is a fantastic tool for those who do everything from collect receipes to manage them, prepare meals, shopping lists and related tasks, you can even easily import recipes from food web sites on the internet. > > > > > > On 18/05/2011 11:38 AM, Chantelle Griffiths wrote: >> Hi mary, >> >> It's taken me a long time to find something that scans recipe books as well as DocuScan. Cooking is my hobby and I have quite a sizable collection of cookbooks with a variety of different fonts and formatting. >> >> It's not perfect by any means, but my rule of thumb is that if I have a cookbook with a clear, legible font and few pictures on the recipe page, the OCR results are usually very accurate. >> >> In a lot of my books, there are often two recipes on one page with the title at the top, the introduction beneath either extending across the foll page or just above the ingredients list, with the ingredients in the left column and the directions in a column to the right. I've found that DocuScan will largely preserve the formatting and put everything in the correct order. E.g. Title, introduction, ingredients and directions. Then it will do the same for the recipe below it. I've also found that it ignores pictures almost completely. The one slightly inconvenient thing is that it tends to try to OCR dotted lines separating recipes, which is easy enough to delete during editing once the document has been saved to my local machine. >> >> I don't often have to correct fractions after the page has been recognised, though at times it has trouble recognising 1/2, as in 1/2 cup flour. It may also leave out the number one at the beginning of an ingredient from time to time, e.g. 1 teaspoon salt, but you can either get someone to check for you or, if you're familiar enough with cooking, you can generally guess the correct amount based on the recipe and other ingredients. It doesn't have any trouble with fractions such as 1 1/2, though it may put them together as in 11/2, in which case you'd need to edit that to correct it. >> >> I have one book that has printed notes in the margins of the page, such as other recipes or cooking tips, with the ingredients of a recipe in a column in line with the directions in one big block of text. It's hard to explain but that's the only situation where the formatting hasn't been preserved properly in most cases. In cases like this, you can re-recognise the page and DocuScan seems intelligent enough to try re-recognising the page in a different way if you're in simple scan mode, (which seems to work the best for recipe books,) so that may or may not help. It seems to try looking at all the elements of the page in a totally different way if you re-recognise a page more than once, which makes the end result look quite different in the HTML reading area but can sometimes fix any formatting issues. It may also make things more complicated, but I've hardly ever had to re-recognise a page more than once. It's fairly easy to edit things into their correct places though, a > nd >> that particular book does have more complicated formatting than most. >> >> Just as a quik side note, I put all my recipes and cooking notes into a very accessible Mac app called Mac Gourmet, which is why I need to edit them down, but I can write to you privately about that or post about it in a new thread if you want to know more. >> >> As for the scanner, I'm just using a Canon LIDE 25 flatbed USB scanner that my partner bought cheaply at an electronics store. It seems to be doing the job really well at present, though with some books I find I have to gently press down on the spine to ensure the inner margin of a page is scanned properly. >> >> I find that DocuScan works well for recipe books, or at least the ones I have. I don't have any that have lots of pictures on the same page as the recipe so I don't know how that would go, but it seems to deal very well with small pictures, ignoring them completely. The only situation I've found it doesn't do well is if, say, a text box with recipe tips in it has a coloured background and the font is either unusual, or a very similar colour. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> Cheers, >> Chantelle >> >> >> >> On 18/05/2011, at 10:24 AM, Mary Otten wrote: >> >>> Hi Chantelle, >>> >>> I am intrigued by the results you have gotten with docuscan on recipe books. Those have always been the most consistently difficult things for me to get good results, both the fractions and sometimes the formatting. Are you using a flatbed scanner or the camera that you have to purchase separately whose name is escaping me at the moment? And if a scanner, which one? >>> >>> Mary >>> >>> Mary Otten >>> motten53 at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed May 18 12:08:39 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 21:08:39 +1000 Subject: Mac Gourmet (was Re: Scanning Recipe Books Using DocuScan Plus) In-Reply-To: References: <25F0E8F5-A933-4931-8381-3E5B88A373D1@mac-access.net> <75B5DD0F-317F-47C7-8221-D40F681A7C1D@gmail.com> <795A225B-B6E1-4AD8-B269-F88E3769B3C3@me.com> <4DD38540.4080109@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4DD3A8B7.1000107@internode.on.net> Thanks for that and sorry, was reading subject lines . On 18/05/2011 8:54 PM, Chantelle Griffiths wrote: > Hi Dane, > > Thanks for the reply. > > I did briefly mention Mac Gourmet in my previous message as the app I use to store my recipes and cooking notes in, and I find it invaluable, especially with the iPhone companion app which I also have on my iPad. Both apps are very accessible and I use them comprehensively on a daily basis. I own the Mac Gourmet Deluxe version of the OS X app and the only advanced feature I've found that doesn't work well is the relationship manager, which is used to tie two recipes together or create a link between a recipe and a cooking note for example. The shopping list creator and meal planner seem to work very well with VoiceOver, as does the recipe view and main interface, provided you don't choose wide screen mode. > > Cheers, > Chantelle > > > > > On 18/05/2011, at 6:37 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Hi there! >> >> I'm not into scanning recipes, I've done it in the past to get my recipe collection onto my computer though. >> >> I'm writing to alert you to the Mac Gourmet recipe manager for the Mac and Iphone/ipad which you may not be aware of. >> >> This software is a fantastic tool for those who do everything from collect receipes to manage them, prepare meals, shopping lists and related tasks, you can even easily import recipes from food web sites on the internet. >> >> >> >> >> >> On 18/05/2011 11:38 AM, Chantelle Griffiths wrote: >>> Hi mary, >>> >>> It's taken me a long time to find something that scans recipe books as well as DocuScan. Cooking is my hobby and I have quite a sizable collection of cookbooks with a variety of different fonts and formatting. >>> >>> It's not perfect by any means, but my rule of thumb is that if I have a cookbook with a clear, legible font and few pictures on the recipe page, the OCR results are usually very accurate. >>> >>> In a lot of my books, there are often two recipes on one page with the title at the top, the introduction beneath either extending across the foll page or just above the ingredients list, with the ingredients in the left column and the directions in a column to the right. I've found that DocuScan will largely preserve the formatting and put everything in the correct order. E.g. Title, introduction, ingredients and directions. Then it will do the same for the recipe below it. I've also found that it ignores pictures almost completely. The one slightly inconvenient thing is that it tends to try to OCR dotted lines separating recipes, which is easy enough to delete during editing once the document has been saved to my local machine. >>> >>> I don't often have to correct fractions after the page has been recognised, though at times it has trouble recognising 1/2, as in 1/2 cup flour. It may also leave out the number one at the beginning of an ingredient from time to time, e.g. 1 teaspoon salt, but you can either get someone to check for you or, if you're familiar enough with cooking, you can generally guess the correct amount based on the recipe and other ingredients. It doesn't have any trouble with fractions such as 1 1/2, though it may put them together as in 11/2, in which case you'd need to edit that to correct it. >>> >>> I have one book that has printed notes in the margins of the page, such as other recipes or cooking tips, with the ingredients of a recipe in a column in line with the directions in one big block of text. It's hard to explain but that's the only situation where the formatting hasn't been preserved properly in most cases. In cases like this, you can re-recognise the page and DocuScan seems intelligent enough to try re-recognising the page in a different way if you're in simple scan mode, (which seems to work the best for recipe books,) so that may or may not help. It seems to try looking at all the elements of the page in a totally different way if you re-recognise a page more than once, which makes the end result look quite different in the HTML reading area but can sometimes fix any formatting issues. It may also make things more complicated, but I've hardly ever had to re-recognise a page more than once. It's fairly easy to edit things into their correct places though, > a >> nd >>> that particular book does have more complicated formatting than most. >>> >>> Just as a quik side note, I put all my recipes and cooking notes into a very accessible Mac app called Mac Gourmet, which is why I need to edit them down, but I can write to you privately about that or post about it in a new thread if you want to know more. >>> >>> As for the scanner, I'm just using a Canon LIDE 25 flatbed USB scanner that my partner bought cheaply at an electronics store. It seems to be doing the job really well at present, though with some books I find I have to gently press down on the spine to ensure the inner margin of a page is scanned properly. >>> >>> I find that DocuScan works well for recipe books, or at least the ones I have. I don't have any that have lots of pictures on the same page as the recipe so I don't know how that would go, but it seems to deal very well with small pictures, ignoring them completely. The only situation I've found it doesn't do well is if, say, a text box with recipe tips in it has a coloured background and the font is either unusual, or a very similar colour. >>> >>> Hope that helps. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Chantelle >>> >>> >>> >>> On 18/05/2011, at 10:24 AM, Mary Otten wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Chantelle, >>>> >>>> I am intrigued by the results you have gotten with docuscan on recipe books. Those have always been the most consistently difficult things for me to get good results, both the fractions and sometimes the formatting. Are you using a flatbed scanner or the camera that you have to purchase separately whose name is escaping me at the moment? And if a scanner, which one? >>>> >>>> Mary >>>> >>>> Mary Otten >>>> motten53 at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Wed May 18 12:58:25 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 13:58:25 +0200 Subject: The best GPS solution for IPhone? Message-ID: <99A8FDE8-5600-437B-84E0-9CB6206BBDF7@mac-access.net> Good afternoon everyone, from a very hot and sunny France, I know the "best" of anything is subjective, but that aside, what are folks using for GPS solutions on the IPhone? Lyn and i are wanting to get one but are not sure what to go for. Are there any that can tell you what you are walking past as you travel for example? We're asking, because having just tried Navigon, I'm not impressed with its performance on the current route. I know that GPS is not perfect, but I would expect it to know where I was and when I had left one area and entered another. If possible, we'd like one that is Europe-wide, as opposed to one where we have to buy maps for each country/region. Any help would be greatly appreciated. TIA TC :) James From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 18 14:18:39 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 14:18:39 +0100 Subject: Anybody Else Using DocuScan Plus? In-Reply-To: References: <25F0E8F5-A933-4931-8381-3E5B88A373D1@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <003D3236-DAB3-4689-8DC5-382ACCEC0CB9@mac-access.net> Hello Chantelle On 17 May 2011, at 23:57, Chantelle Griffiths wrote: ? I'm also using DocuScan and as far as I know, you can't save as PDF or HTML. According to the help documentation, you are able to save as RTF, MP3, DAISY and Braille to your local machine. You can also save as "large print" and email the document if you need to. Yes, that is my understanding. ? What DocuScan does do is allow you to scan a PDF image file (or a regular PDF file; I've tried both) and save that in an alternative format. When you're reviewing your scanned file with VO, the text appears in an HTML content area, but isn't saved that way. Just about any self-respecting OCR package does that. ? I, too, don't necessarily like the Cloud idea as the primary way of saving things and wish Serotek would be a little more open about their security, but I don't plan to use DocuScan to scan anything particularly sensitive so that doesn't really affect me personally. I do go through and save every document I scan to my local machine and then delete it from DocuScan when I've finished. No, it is a very inhibiting factor as far as we are concerned because we see it as a huge security loophole. Three times we have requested information from their support people regarding security and three times they have failed to provide a response. So we are starting to think that the hep that Serotek provided is actually just the latest in a series of false promises. ? I've had great success with DocuScan preserving formatting with things like recipe books that haven't worked at all with other scanning solutions, and although it's slow because it's not done locally, I've found it to be the best solution for me that I've come across so far. We have seen it both ways. Sometimes it works better and sometimes not. Nevertheless, our search goes on for an application which meets our criteria. It must be future-proof, powerful and flexible. Abbyy FineReader is a 32-bit application which means it won't run when Lion is released as Apple is dropping support for universal binaries. That information is public, and it is apparently causing a mad scramble amongst quite a few developers whose applications are not Lion-compatible. Logitech is one such example, and Cannon is another. Whether or not Nuance chooses to update FineReader is, so we are told, uncertain at the moment because they are concentrating all their resources into OmniPabge Pro Express which is, of course, inaccessible. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed May 18 15:40:04 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 07:40:04 -0700 Subject: Six unexpected uses for the Application Switcher Message-ID: <4A702E4D-8D97-492D-A341-5D8B36B13BCA@gmail.com> I CAN'T GET MOST OF THESE TO WORK BUT I ONLY DID A SKIM. Six unexpected uses for the Application Switcher From hiding and quitting applications to transferring information between documents, the Application Switcher can help you throughout the day. http://bit.ly/k4CnGy From jj.turley at btinternet.com Wed May 18 16:45:53 2011 From: jj.turley at btinternet.com (John Turley) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 16:45:53 +0100 Subject: Genealogy Software In-Reply-To: <4A702E4D-8D97-492D-A341-5D8B36B13BCA@gmail.com> References: <4A702E4D-8D97-492D-A341-5D8B36B13BCA@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi All Does anyone have a recommendation for an accessible genealogy software package? Many thanks. John T From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed May 18 16:57:30 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 08:57:30 -0700 Subject: Genealogy Software In-Reply-To: References: <4A702E4D-8D97-492D-A341-5D8B36B13BCA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <18209247-7A77-4CC9-996C-3000A9299A97@gmail.com> I don't know if there is a mac equivalent but I used to use p.a.f or paf, tht was personal anserestry file. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 18, 2011, at 8:45 AM, John Turley wrote: > Hi All > Does anyone have a recommendation for an accessible genealogy software package? > > Many thanks. > > > John T > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From eka at ekanet.net Wed May 18 17:26:27 2011 From: eka at ekanet.net (Emrah) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 18:26:27 +0200 Subject: How to make OSX forget networks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110518162627.GA22925@willow.kavun.ch> Lynne, I assume you ar referring to Wireless Networks? Here is the procedure: 1. Open Network Preferences. To do so: * Click on the Apple icon * Open System Preferences * Click on Network 2. Select Airport in the list of Devices / Services and than click on advanced. In the opened dialog, you have a table called preferred networks. You may remove the wireless networks you do not want your computer to automatically connect to there. If you use VO, you must interact with the wireless connection in question as it is declared as a group. All the best, Emrah ----- Original Message ----- From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 at 01:40:06PM +0100 Subject: How to make OSX forget networks > Hello everybody > > How are you supposed to make OS X forget about networks it has connected too in the past? I have unchecked the "Remember networks this computer has joined" check box but still our machine is consistently connecting the wrong network on start-up. Looking at the list of networks it has joined, I see a lot of networks which don't even exist any longer still listed there and I can't for the life of me get them to go away. > > I've tried clicking on them, control+clicking on them, double-clicking, everything I can think of; but they just won't go away. Nor can I stop it connecting on the wrong network on start-up, even though the box is definitely unchecked. > > Any info would be appreciated. I would even be prepared to edit a preference file if that's what it takes. > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Emrah From eka at ekanet.net Wed May 18 17:45:14 2011 From: eka at ekanet.net (Emrah) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 18:45:14 +0200 Subject: ssh client for mac In-Reply-To: <472C7079-9DC0-4330-9850-8D48A4E8C9C2@gmail.com> References: <189965FF-6FEB-4894-A1A4-30B1BB6BD2EC@gmail.com> <472C7079-9DC0-4330-9850-8D48A4E8C9C2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20110518164514.GB22925@willow.kavun.ch> You said: > I'm not very good at using terminal, I don't know many commands at all. SSH is used in majority to carry operations on remote machines through console / tty based commands. If you require SSH for something else, such as socks proxy, port tunneling, file exchange and so forth, let us know a bit more of the whole scenario so we can help you out with the appropriate Terminal commands. Terminal can quickly become your best friend on OS X once you know how to interact with it. Let us know and I am sure we will be able to assist. Regards, Emrah From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 18 17:52:23 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 17:52:23 +0100 Subject: How to make OSX forget networks In-Reply-To: <20110518162627.GA22925@willow.kavun.ch> References: <20110518162627.GA22925@willow.kavun.ch> Message-ID: <23472BFE-6B38-45D0-960F-63766AAEE55A@mac-access.net> Hello Emrah On 18 May 2011, at 17:26, Emrah wrote: I assume you ar referring to Wireless Networks? Here is the procedure: I am sorry; I obviously didn't make myself clear. I am aware of the actual "Usual" procedure. However, the "Usual" procedure simply won't work. I can highlight and click on the networks but the "removal" procedure is proving ineffective. I perhaps should also have told you that I have a professional systems engineer with me here; and he's baffled also by the fact that the usual removal procedures are not working. We have 17 networks listed in our network table and not a single one of them will allow us to remove it. So I unchecked the box that says "Remember the networks this computer connects too" to no effect. The network which is causing us the trouble is still being remembered and connected too each time we start the computer. I am sorry if I was not clear. But this goes far deeper than simple procedures, hence my question regarding preference files. Lynne From jj.turley at btinternet.com Wed May 18 18:41:32 2011 From: jj.turley at btinternet.com (John Turley) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 18:41:32 +0100 Subject: Genealogy Software In-Reply-To: <18209247-7A77-4CC9-996C-3000A9299A97@gmail.com> References: <4A702E4D-8D97-492D-A341-5D8B36B13BCA@gmail.com> <18209247-7A77-4CC9-996C-3000A9299A97@gmail.com> Message-ID: <58E474AB-CDA1-40C6-AFB7-2800C0C8D981@btinternet.com> Thanks Sarah I'll check it out. On 18 May 2011, at 16:57, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I don't know if there is a mac equivalent but I used to use p.a.f or paf, tht was personal anserestry file. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 18, 2011, at 8:45 AM, John Turley wrote: > >> Hi All >> Does anyone have a recommendation for an accessible genealogy software package? >> >> Many thanks. >> >> >> John T >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From kfjelsted at gmail.com Wed May 18 18:54:27 2011 From: kfjelsted at gmail.com (Kevin Fjelsted) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 12:54:27 -0500 Subject: Program editor such as MacVim compatibility with Mac VoiceOver In-Reply-To: <58E474AB-CDA1-40C6-AFB7-2800C0C8D981@btinternet.com> References: <4A702E4D-8D97-492D-A341-5D8B36B13BCA@gmail.com> <18209247-7A77-4CC9-996C-3000A9299A97@gmail.com> <58E474AB-CDA1-40C6-AFB7-2800C0C8D981@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <25CD0C36-5DDF-4523-83A2-52FB8846B434@gmail.com> I am looking for feedback on a solution for creating and modifying C, Java, and LISP programs. I understand that MacVim is Coco compatible and I have downloaded version 7.3. It doesn't seem to play that well with VOiceOver however there may be settings that need to be tweaked. Has anyone found a workable solution for MacVim or another editor that works well with VOiceOver? A couple of features that I need that just don't cut it with a simple text editor are? Auto indent based on the use of "{}" Parenthesis balancing I.E., matching for lisp programs such as Scheme. Typically people who develop in Scheme use Emacs, however the versions of Emacs that I have found are not at all accessible with VoiceOver. Perhaps there are solutions for using Emacs under terminal mode? Any thoughts on all of this? THanks. -Kevin From james.austin at mac-access.net Wed May 18 19:43:57 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (JAMES AUSTIN) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 20:43:57 +0200 Subject: Using Merge fields in Pages with VoiceOver Message-ID: <70271898-7902-4026-AE10-FE2C9FCCD292@mac-access.net> Hello everyone, Does anyone know how to enter Merge field information please using VoiceOver? Pages' help only talks about dragging the address card. Needless to say, I've tried this and it does not work. Any help would be greatly appreciated Thank you TC :) James From eka at ekanet.net Wed May 18 20:09:51 2011 From: eka at ekanet.net (Emrah) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 21:09:51 +0200 Subject: How to make OSX forget networks In-Reply-To: <23472BFE-6B38-45D0-960F-63766AAEE55A@mac-access.net> References: <20110518162627.GA22925@willow.kavun.ch> <23472BFE-6B38-45D0-960F-63766AAEE55A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <20110518190951.GA11195@willow.kavun.ch> Lynne, Make sure you have properly unlocked the appropriate lock in system preferences in order to make changes in the network settings. Then remove the networks that are causing trouble. Finally, check your key chain and remove the corresponding entries. If that does not work, use the following commands in Terminal while logged as root: networksetup -removepreferredwirelessnetwork Kind regards, Emrah ----- Original Message ----- From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 at 05:52:23PM +0100 Subject: Re: How to make OSX forget networks > Hello Emrah > > On 18 May 2011, at 17:26, Emrah wrote: > > I assume you ar referring to Wireless Networks? > Here is the procedure: > > I am sorry; I obviously didn't make myself clear. I am aware of the actual "Usual" procedure. However, the "Usual" procedure simply won't work. I can highlight and click on the networks but the "removal" procedure is proving ineffective. > > I perhaps should also have told you that I have a professional systems engineer with me here; and he's baffled also by the fact that the usual removal procedures are not working. > > We have 17 networks listed in our network table and not a single one of them will allow us to remove it. So I unchecked the box that says "Remember the networks this computer connects too" to no effect. The network which is causing us the trouble is still being remembered and connected too each time we start the computer. I am sorry if I was not clear. But this goes far deeper than simple procedures, hence my question regarding preference files. > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Emrah From eka at ekanet.net Wed May 18 20:16:31 2011 From: eka at ekanet.net (Emrah) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 21:16:31 +0200 Subject: How to make OSX forget networks In-Reply-To: <20110518190951.GA11195@willow.kavun.ch> References: <20110518162627.GA22925@willow.kavun.ch> <23472BFE-6B38-45D0-960F-63766AAEE55A@mac-access.net> <20110518190951.GA11195@willow.kavun.ch> Message-ID: <20110518191631.GA11731@willow.kavun.ch> Also, I strongly discourage you from fiddling around with preference files when it comes to OS X's Network architecture. It has many tools built in to manage the system in depth and they have been implemented for a reason. Regards, Emrah ----- Original Message ----- From: Emrah Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 at 09:09:51PM +0200 Subject: Re: How to make OSX forget networks > Lynne, > > Make sure you have properly unlocked the appropriate lock in system preferences in order to make changes in the network settings. Then remove the networks that are causing > trouble. Finally, check your key chain and remove the corresponding entries. > If that does not work, use the following commands in Terminal while logged as root: > networksetup -removepreferredwirelessnetwork > > Kind regards, > Emrah > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith > Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 at 05:52:23PM +0100 > Subject: Re: How to make OSX forget networks > > > Hello Emrah > > > > On 18 May 2011, at 17:26, Emrah wrote: > > > > I assume you ar referring to Wireless Networks? > > Here is the procedure: > > > > I am sorry; I obviously didn't make myself clear. I am aware of the actual "Usual" procedure. However, the "Usual" procedure simply won't work. I can highlight and click on the networks but the "removal" procedure is proving ineffective. > > > > I perhaps should also have told you that I have a professional systems engineer with me here; and he's baffled also by the fact that the usual removal procedures are not working. > > > > We have 17 networks listed in our network table and not a single one of them will allow us to remove it. So I unchecked the box that says "Remember the networks this computer connects too" to no effect. The network which is causing us the trouble is still being remembered and connected too each time we start the computer. I am sorry if I was not clear. But this goes far deeper than simple procedures, hence my question regarding preference files. > > > > Lynne > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > > -- > Emrah > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Emrah From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Wed May 18 20:17:20 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 20:17:20 +0100 Subject: magic trackpad Message-ID: <7C575A7D-C99C-4624-A6CB-5A503975DD9A@gmail.com> hi is it safe to use a screenw ipe on the magic trackpad? to clean it? From support at mac-access.net Wed May 18 21:41:51 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne Smith) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 21:41:51 +0100 Subject: Ready for trial of online backup Message-ID: <0302282F-0447-4ADC-9A2E-A27A8E39DB6D@mac-access.net> Hello everybody I tried to post this a little while ago but fell fowl of our own protection rules. ;-) In any event, if you are interested in participating in our online backup scheme we are now ready to commence trials. Please contact us off list, if you are interested in a trial with us. But please only if you're ultimately interested in paid subscription as this won't be a free service. There are limits and the necessity to commit a lot of hardware resources implies cost. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 18 22:19:34 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 22:19:34 +0100 Subject: How to make OSX forget networks In-Reply-To: <20110518190951.GA11195@willow.kavun.ch> References: <20110518162627.GA22925@willow.kavun.ch> <23472BFE-6B38-45D0-960F-63766AAEE55A@mac-access.net> <20110518190951.GA11195@willow.kavun.ch> Message-ID: <57A78858-6183-4388-B651-A172A1A75407@mac-access.net> Hello Emrah When you say , does that imply the shared name of your machine? The problem might be in terms of both the device and the network names is that they contain spaces. So I presume those will need to be in quotes. But again, since the networks were added the device name has changed several times and we think that may be where the problem is. LLynne On 18 May 2011, at 20:09, Emrah wrote: Lynne, Make sure you have properly unlocked the appropriate lock in system preferences in order to make changes in the network settings. Then remove the networks that are causing trouble. Finally, check your key chain and remove the corresponding entries. If that does not work, use the following commands in Terminal while logged as root: networksetup -removepreferredwirelessnetwork Kind regards, Emrah ----- Original Message ----- From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 at 05:52:23PM +0100 Subject: Re: How to make OSX forget networks > Hello Emrah > > On 18 May 2011, at 17:26, Emrah wrote: > > I assume you ar referring to Wireless Networks? > Here is the procedure: > > I am sorry; I obviously didn't make myself clear. I am aware of the actual "Usual" procedure. However, the "Usual" procedure simply won't work. I can highlight and click on the networks but the "removal" procedure is proving ineffective. > > I perhaps should also have told you that I have a professional systems engineer with me here; and he's baffled also by the fact that the usual removal procedures are not working. > > We have 17 networks listed in our network table and not a single one of them will allow us to remove it. So I unchecked the box that says "Remember the networks this computer connects too" to no effect. The network which is causing us the trouble is still being remembered and connected too each time we start the computer. I am sorry if I was not clear. But this goes far deeper than simple procedures, hence my question regarding preference files. > > Lynne > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Emrah _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Wed May 18 22:21:38 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 22:21:38 +0100 Subject: How to make OSX forget networks In-Reply-To: <20110518191631.GA11731@willow.kavun.ch> References: <20110518162627.GA22925@willow.kavun.ch> <23472BFE-6B38-45D0-960F-63766AAEE55A@mac-access.net> <20110518190951.GA11195@willow.kavun.ch> <20110518191631.GA11731@willow.kavun.ch> Message-ID: Hello Emrah On 18 May 2011, at 20:16, Emrah wrote: ? Also, I strongly discourage you from fiddling around with preference files when it comes to OS X's Network architecture. It has many tools built in to manage the system in depth and they have been implemented for a reason. Yes; we've tried a lot of them but we're now getting down to "last resort" time, since nothing we do has worked. All of the GUI things we've tried have failed. Lynne Regards, Emrah ----- Original Message ----- From: Emrah Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 at 09:09:51PM +0200 Subject: Re: How to make OSX forget networks > Lynne, > > Make sure you have properly unlocked the appropriate lock in system preferences in order to make changes in the network settings. Then remove the networks that are causing > trouble. Finally, check your key chain and remove the corresponding entries. > If that does not work, use the following commands in Terminal while logged as root: > networksetup -removepreferredwirelessnetwork > > Kind regards, > Emrah > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith > Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 at 05:52:23PM +0100 > Subject: Re: How to make OSX forget networks > >> Hello Emrah >> >> On 18 May 2011, at 17:26, Emrah wrote: >> >> I assume you ar referring to Wireless Networks? >> Here is the procedure: >> >> I am sorry; I obviously didn't make myself clear. I am aware of the actual "Usual" procedure. However, the "Usual" procedure simply won't work. I can highlight and click on the networks but the "removal" procedure is proving ineffective. >> >> I perhaps should also have told you that I have a professional systems engineer with me here; and he's baffled also by the fact that the usual removal procedures are not working. >> >> We have 17 networks listed in our network table and not a single one of them will allow us to remove it. So I unchecked the box that says "Remember the networks this computer connects too" to no effect. The network which is causing us the trouble is still being remembered and connected too each time we start the computer. I am sorry if I was not clear. But this goes far deeper than simple procedures, hence my question regarding preference files. >> >> Lynne >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > -- > Emrah > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Emrah _______________________________________________ To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Thu May 19 00:47:39 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 20:47:39 -0300 Subject: Skype shortcut keys. Message-ID: Does anyone have an updated keyboard shortcut list for the latest version of Skype? Thanks all over the place gang. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6133 (20110518) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu May 19 01:06:28 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 17:06:28 -0700 Subject: Skype shortcut keys. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <946A68FA-C35F-4273-8344-331DCD61D2CA@gmail.com> > I don't really use shortcut keys. I use clisk and the voice over keys. See my podcast if it is still there regarding the latest version of skype. I don't go over clisk but I don't remember seeing the shortcut keys in skype. I might be wrong though. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 18, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Does anyone have an updated keyboard shortcut list for the latest version of Skype? > > Thanks all over the place gang. > > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6133 (20110518) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From techieteacher at gmail.com Thu May 19 01:21:05 2011 From: techieteacher at gmail.com (Jeremy Brown) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 20:21:05 -0400 Subject: Video Tutorial: Using an Apple Wireless Keyboard with VoiceOver on the iPad Message-ID: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J46ZbjzdNcQ This video tutorial was created by Luis Perez, an Apple Distinguished Educator. - Jeremy -- Jeremy Brown Twitter: techieteacher E-mail: techieteacher at gmail.com Web: http://at-resources.wikispaces.com LiveBinders: http://bit.ly/JLiveBinders From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu May 19 02:27:31 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 11:27:31 +1000 Subject: Skype shortcut keys. In-Reply-To: <946A68FA-C35F-4273-8344-331DCD61D2CA@gmail.com> References: <946A68FA-C35F-4273-8344-331DCD61D2CA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6C279E4C-893C-4F95-99BA-C372DD01E66A@internode.on.net> A suggestion was made by one of the list members quite some time ago which I've found helpful, define your own Skype Shortcut key combinations in the "Keyboard Shortcuts" pain under keyboard in System Preferences. On 19/05/2011, at 10:06 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> I don't really use shortcut keys. I use clisk and the voice over keys. See my podcast if it is still there regarding the latest version of skype. I don't go over clisk but I don't remember seeing the shortcut keys in skype. I might be wrong though. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 18, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > >> Does anyone have an updated keyboard shortcut list for the latest version of Skype? >> >> Thanks all over the place gang. >> >> >> >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6133 (20110518) __________ >> >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >> >> http://www.eset.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu May 19 03:05:42 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 19:05:42 -0700 Subject: Skype shortcut keys. In-Reply-To: <6C279E4C-893C-4F95-99BA-C372DD01E66A@internode.on.net> References: <946A68FA-C35F-4273-8344-331DCD61D2CA@gmail.com> <6C279E4C-893C-4F95-99BA-C372DD01E66A@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <81534CB8-DA9D-4E88-AF50-009F5F564026@gmail.com> Except you can't cmd tab away from the keyboard prefs once you have it open and a shortcut made. and you have to go through every one of the menus. and when or if you reinstall skype you will loose all of your keyboard shortcuts. I have had to redo some shortcuts in several apps every time i reinstall them. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 18, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > A suggestion was made by one of the list members quite some time ago which I've found helpful, define your own Skype Shortcut key combinations in the "Keyboard Shortcuts" pain under keyboard in System Preferences. > > > On 19/05/2011, at 10:06 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >>> I don't really use shortcut keys. I use clisk and the voice over keys. See my podcast if it is still there regarding the latest version of skype. I don't go over clisk but I don't remember seeing the shortcut keys in skype. I might be wrong though. >> >> Take care. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On May 18, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >> >>> Does anyone have an updated keyboard shortcut list for the latest version of Skype? >>> >>> Thanks all over the place gang. >>> >>> >>> >>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6133 (20110518) __________ >>> >>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>> >>> http://www.eset.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu May 19 03:13:45 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 12:13:45 +1000 Subject: Skype shortcut keys. In-Reply-To: <81534CB8-DA9D-4E88-AF50-009F5F564026@gmail.com> References: <946A68FA-C35F-4273-8344-331DCD61D2CA@gmail.com> <6C279E4C-893C-4F95-99BA-C372DD01E66A@internode.on.net> <81534CB8-DA9D-4E88-AF50-009F5F564026@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0F5F5137-A821-4C09-8CDF-4CCBDCC79F12@internode.on.net> Yep you have to have the Skype software in focus but its far better than nothing, you have to have the software in focus anyway if you want to use Vo to navigate to the appropriate button say accept so that's no big problem. On 19/05/2011, at 12:05 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Except you can't cmd tab away from the keyboard prefs once you have it open and a shortcut made. and you have to go through every one of the menus. and when or if you reinstall skype you will loose all of your keyboard shortcuts. I have had to redo some shortcuts in several apps every time i reinstall them. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 18, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> A suggestion was made by one of the list members quite some time ago which I've found helpful, define your own Skype Shortcut key combinations in the "Keyboard Shortcuts" pain under keyboard in System Preferences. >> >> >> On 19/05/2011, at 10:06 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>>> I don't really use shortcut keys. I use clisk and the voice over keys. See my podcast if it is still there regarding the latest version of skype. I don't go over clisk but I don't remember seeing the shortcut keys in skype. I might be wrong though. >>> >>> Take care. >>> Sarah Alawami >>> >>> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >>> >>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>> >>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>> >>> On May 18, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >>> >>>> Does anyone have an updated keyboard shortcut list for the latest version of Skype? >>>> >>>> Thanks all over the place gang. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6133 (20110518) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From gunn at tznet.com Thu May 19 04:12:45 2011 From: gunn at tznet.com (John Gunn) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 22:12:45 -0500 Subject: Video Tutorial: Using an Apple Wireless Keyboard with VoiceOver on the iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F8DC4F9-D1D2-4B94-B835-D6D817F521DF@tznet.com> Hello Jeremyy: Very interesting although I'm curious how does one close out Apps while in the Application switcher? John On May 18, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Jeremy Brown wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J46ZbjzdNcQ > > This video tutorial was created by Luis Perez, an Apple Distinguished > Educator. > > > - Jeremy > > -- > Jeremy Brown > > Twitter: techieteacher > E-mail: techieteacher at gmail.com > Web: http://at-resources.wikispaces.com > LiveBinders: http://bit.ly/JLiveBinders > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From moriond at mac.com Thu May 19 04:30:10 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 17:30:10 -1000 Subject: Video Tutorial: Using an Apple Wireless Keyboard with VoiceOver on the iPad In-Reply-To: <4F8DC4F9-D1D2-4B94-B835-D6D817F521DF@tznet.com> References: <4F8DC4F9-D1D2-4B94-B835-D6D817F521DF@tznet.com> Message-ID: Hi John, In order to close out Apps in the App Switcher you need to perform a passthrough gesture (double tap and hold). You have to do this on the touch screen (on the iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad). There is no equivalent keyboard shortcut for this gesture (or for a few others, like swiping to delete items). I generally do my double tap and hold gesture in the center of the screen, and I do this rather hard. Otherwise a double tap opens that app. You should hear the burbly sound of the pass through gesture and then VoiceOver says, "Editing Apps". (Focus is on the app in the App Switcher that is in the bottom left corner, unless you navigate to another app). At that point you can use either VO-Space on the keyboard or, if you have QuickNav turned on, press the up and down arrow keys simultaneously to delete apps. As each app is deleted, the apps in the App Switcher to the right move into focus (e.g., shift to the bottom left corner). You can continue to delete until the App Switcher is empty. (Note, on the iPad you may prefer to move your finger to the bottom left corner of the App Switcher to do your double tap and hold, though you can do it from anywhere on the screen and have it take effect. In practice, you might find greater success if you're directly on the app when you do the pass through gesture. Provided that I do this hard, my pass-through gestures in the center of the screen always work.) Cheers, Esther On May 18, 2011, at 17:12, John Gunn wrote: > Hello Jeremyy: > > Very interesting although I'm curious how does one close out Apps while in the Application switcher? > > John > > > On May 18, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Jeremy Brown wrote: > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J46ZbjzdNcQ >> >> This video tutorial was created by Luis Perez, an Apple Distinguished >> Educator. >> >> >> - Jeremy >> >> -- >> Jeremy Brown >> >> Twitter: techieteacher >> E-mail: techieteacher at gmail.com >> Web: http://at-resources.wikispaces.com From moriond at mac.com Thu May 19 05:46:19 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 18:46:19 -1000 Subject: Imap Weather Radio (iOS app) free today in U.S. app store for first 100,000 Message-ID: Hi all, This message is for iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad users in the U.S. Imap Weather Radio, an iPhone app that alerts you to severe weather conditions, is being offered free today only to the first 100,000 downloaders. This app normally costs $9.95, and is being offered today only in the U.S. App Store. This is in partial support of the severe conditions (tornados) that recently struck the southern U.S. There's been some discussion about whether the alarms invariably work if the app is not running in the foreground, but it did work and alert at least one blind iPhone user on another list. If you live in an area of severe weather conditions in the U.S., you might want to download this app now, since the offer became active within the last hour. Cheers, Esther From moriond at mac.com Thu May 19 06:17:43 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 19:17:43 -1000 Subject: Imap Weather Radio (iOS app) free today in U.S. app store for first 100,000 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01E3AF04-971B-4B4A-98EB-8BB1D4AEFE8F@mac.com> Sorry, I meant to give the link for iMap Weather Radio (normally $9.95, free today only to first 100,000 downloads) by Weather Decision Technologies, Inc.: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/imapweather-radio/id413511993?mt=8 Note that this is for the U.S. App Store only -- I don't believe it covers severe weather alerts in any other area -- and this is not a universal binary. It's primarily designed for use with the iPhone, and location tracking, although it can be used with the iPod Touch, and with the iPad (in 2x mode). Configure the types of alerts in Settings (e.g. Flood, Tropical, Wind, Fire, Marine, Winter, and others. The categories expand to let you select options under each.) Esther On May 18, 2011, at 18:46, Esther wrote: > Hi all, > > This message is for iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad users in the U.S. Imap Weather Radio, an iPhone app that alerts you to severe weather conditions, is being offered free today only to the first 100,000 downloaders. This app normally costs $9.95, and is being offered today only in the U.S. App Store. This is in partial support of the severe conditions (tornados) that recently struck the southern U.S. There's been some discussion about whether the alarms invariably work if the app is not running in the foreground, but it did work and alert at least one blind iPhone user on another list. If you live in an area of severe weather conditions in the U.S., you might want to download this app now, since the offer became active within the last hour. > > Cheers, > > Esther > From anne at anarchie.org.uk Thu May 19 10:29:57 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 11:29:57 +0200 Subject: Using Merge fields in Pages with VoiceOver In-Reply-To: <70271898-7902-4026-AE10-FE2C9FCCD292@mac-access.net> References: <70271898-7902-4026-AE10-FE2C9FCCD292@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <123A044E-A13B-4586-8A58-2DDD43693122@anarchie.org.uk> Hello James, I'm assuming you're wanting to send the same basic letter to a number of people. To do this: ? Make sure all the addresses are correctly formatted in Address Book; ? Put them into one Address Book group, e.g. Job Mailshot; ? In Pages, go to the Merge Field item and select the relevant name and address elements in turn; ? When all the elements have been inserted into your letter, go to the Edit menu and select Mail Merge; ? A dialogue box will open where you can choose either Address Book or a Numbers document. Obviously, you choose Address Book; ? You then choose the appropriate group from Address Book; ? Go right to Send to the Merge to: pop up button and select Send to printer; ? Then click the Merge button; ? When the printer dialogue comes up, click the PDF button and go down to Open PDF in Preview so that you can check your output. Preview will tell you how many pages there are. Cheers, Anne On 18 May 2011, at 20:43, JAMES AUSTIN wrote: > Hello everyone, > > Does anyone know how to enter Merge field information please using VoiceOver? Pages' help only talks about dragging the address card. Needless to say, I've tried this and it does not work. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated > > Thank you > TC :) > James > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Thu May 19 14:04:15 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 14:04:15 +0100 Subject: fusion query Message-ID: <5563F707-1901-4B4F-A4AF-809CF6C3D2C8@gmail.com> hi does anyone know please if I can make the jaws capslock capability work under fusion i.e. so the caps lock is a jws key? Please reply off list as this is not mac related From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Thu May 19 16:33:35 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 12:33:35 -0300 Subject: Spark documentation. Message-ID: <6ACE27782A9140A1877E00E349567386@CNIBnotebook> Hi Folks: Anyone know where I can obtain documentation for Spark? Thanks all over the place gang. From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu May 19 17:08:12 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 02:08:12 +1000 Subject: Spark documentation. In-Reply-To: <6ACE27782A9140A1877E00E349567386@CNIBnotebook> References: <6ACE27782A9140A1877E00E349567386@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <4DD5406C.4060607@internode.on.net> What sort of documentation are you after, have you considered looking through the Skype Help and knwoledge base? On 20/05/2011 1:33 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hi Folks: > > Anyone know where I can obtain documentation for Spark? > > Thanks all over the place gang. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Thu May 19 18:14:39 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 12:14:39 -0500 Subject: thread information In-Reply-To: <6BB917EF-F69D-48E4-B0E1-4ABF59333521@gmail.com> References: <6BB917EF-F69D-48E4-B0E1-4ABF59333521@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0C2B8156-6C0B-4139-A4FC-65057FDBD161@softcon.com> In tiger, mail used to tell you how messages were in a thread, and how many were unread. For some reason, this functionality was removed in leopard and snowleopard. I know, during the testing phase of leopard, it was mentioned onlist several times, but apple did not implement this feature again. Perhaps we need to go to apple, and report this as a feature request, to have this capability reintroduced. This is definitely something I miss when not using tiger for mail reading. I actually do most of my mail reading on tiger due to this and other quirks of the newer mail versions. From tsiegel at softcon.com Thu May 19 18:22:03 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 12:22:03 -0500 Subject: wifi on iphone not connecting In-Reply-To: <92C02950EF614F56809B4A2B60FACE44@FABIAN2> References: <7E3B0432-48AF-463C-8B37-92492810A251@softcon.com><4dd0fb50.ce3edc0a.2769.019d@mx.google.com> <92C02950EF614F56809B4A2B60FACE44@FABIAN2> Message-ID: <16B0AACC-776A-4D0B-8E4E-DA14D2B71109@softcon.com> On May 17, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Carol Pearson wrote: > Have you tried broadcasting your network ID for a time to first > connect with your IPhone. Once this is done, you can again hide > the SSID and the IPhone will remember it. > This is certainly the way it is supposed to behave, but we discovered that doing this did not work either for the macbooks or the ios devices. Once they connected to a new network, the old one was takne out of the defaults, and for some reason, it needed to be reentered in order to connect again. Seriously, I have no idea why it misbehaved so badly, but we're just leaving the router open at the moment. We honestly don't mind other folks using our network, just as long as they don't suck down all our bandwidth for extended periods of time. There's only one person that does that, and a simple disconnect of the router solves that problem nicely. :) I know it doesn't help at all as far as keeping things secure, but we really don't mind sharing if folks are willing to share nicely. From tsiegel at softcon.com Thu May 19 19:00:26 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 13:00:26 -0500 Subject: Program editor such as MacVim compatibility with Mac VoiceOver In-Reply-To: <25CD0C36-5DDF-4523-83A2-52FB8846B434@gmail.com> References: <4A702E4D-8D97-492D-A341-5D8B36B13BCA@gmail.com> <18209247-7A77-4CC9-996C-3000A9299A97@gmail.com> <58E474AB-CDA1-40C6-AFB7-2800C0C8D981@btinternet.com> <25CD0C36-5DDF-4523-83A2-52FB8846B434@gmail.com> Message-ID: <688537FE-3425-4E17-B0FC-6A2491AF8B28@softcon.com> If you have the Xtools installed, you can use the editor that comes with Xcode. It does everything you want. You don't have to use the integrated cocoa building features, but you can still use the editor for writing your code. I personally use pico for my ccode editing, but I'm used to doing that, since I've been using pico since 1992 for source code editing, so I like it myself. You can use the Xtools editor though, that is 100 percent vo accessible, and you won't have to worry about forgetting your closing parenthesis. :) From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Thu May 19 19:08:59 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 19:08:59 +0100 Subject: fusion query In-Reply-To: <5563F707-1901-4B4F-A4AF-809CF6C3D2C8@gmail.com> References: <5563F707-1901-4B4F-A4AF-809CF6C3D2C8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <808B30FA-A452-482E-945D-51025C0315A9@googlemail.com> HI Will. I tried Fusion and I think you can...not sure. It's been a while since I used Fusion. Regards. Lewis. On 19 May 2011, at 14:04, william lomas wrote: > hi does anyone know please if I can make the jaws capslock capability work under fusion i.e. so the caps lock is a jws key? > Please reply off list as this is not mac related > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu May 19 21:36:56 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 13:36:56 -0700 Subject: fusion query In-Reply-To: <808B30FA-A452-482E-945D-51025C0315A9@googlemail.com> References: <5563F707-1901-4B4F-A4AF-809CF6C3D2C8@gmail.com> <808B30FA-A452-482E-945D-51025C0315A9@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <55A010B9-6DCE-41A2-933B-67E8D57BCC40@gmail.com> Nope. I'm using nvda and I tried the map thing under the prefs in fusion itself and that part is so inaccessible it's not funny. Take care. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 19, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Lewis Crack wrote: > HI Will. > > I tried Fusion and I think you can...not sure. It's been a while since I used Fusion. > Regards. > Lewis. > On 19 May 2011, at 14:04, william lomas wrote: > >> hi does anyone know please if I can make the jaws capslock capability work under fusion i.e. so the caps lock is a jws key? >> Please reply off list as this is not mac related >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From kfjelsted at gmail.com Thu May 19 22:55:07 2011 From: kfjelsted at gmail.com (Kevin Fjelsted) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 16:55:07 -0500 Subject: Program editor such as MacVim compatibility with Mac VoiceOver In-Reply-To: <688537FE-3425-4E17-B0FC-6A2491AF8B28@softcon.com> References: <4A702E4D-8D97-492D-A341-5D8B36B13BCA@gmail.com> <18209247-7A77-4CC9-996C-3000A9299A97@gmail.com> <58E474AB-CDA1-40C6-AFB7-2800C0C8D981@btinternet.com> <25CD0C36-5DDF-4523-83A2-52FB8846B434@gmail.com> <688537FE-3425-4E17-B0FC-6A2491AF8B28@softcon.com> Message-ID: <2F452230-16B4-4739-874F-AC0DD4125EC1@gmail.com> I have been trying to use the Xcode editor. ALthough it appears to be accessible I am regularly experiencing VOiceOver restarting on it's own when I run Xcode. I am running 10.6.7 OS X Xcode version 3.2.6(1761). Any ideas on why VoiceOver is resetting? On May 19, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > If you have the Xtools installed, you can use the editor that comes with Xcode. It does everything you want. > You don't have to use the integrated cocoa building features, but you can still use the editor for writing your code. > I personally use pico for my ccode editing, but I'm used to doing that, since I've been using pico since 1992 for source code editing, so I like it myself. > You can use the Xtools editor though, that is 100 percent vo accessible, and you won't have to worry about forgetting your closing parenthesis. :) > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Thu May 19 23:41:41 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 17:41:41 -0500 Subject: Program editor such as MacVim compatibility with Mac VoiceOver In-Reply-To: <2F452230-16B4-4739-874F-AC0DD4125EC1@gmail.com> References: <4A702E4D-8D97-492D-A341-5D8B36B13BCA@gmail.com> <18209247-7A77-4CC9-996C-3000A9299A97@gmail.com> <58E474AB-CDA1-40C6-AFB7-2800C0C8D981@btinternet.com> <25CD0C36-5DDF-4523-83A2-52FB8846B434@gmail.com> <688537FE-3425-4E17-B0FC-6A2491AF8B28@softcon.com> <2F452230-16B4-4739-874F-AC0DD4125EC1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately, the only machine I have at the moment to do development on is a macmini running tiger. It has Xtools ver 2.5, but when I had 3.1 on my intel macbook, it didn't cause any problems. I had thought Xcode was up to version 4.something. You may want to try an upgrade to see if that helps any. It may not help, but it will give new features (and eat more memory too I'm sure) :) My macbook needs a new hd, so as soon as I get one, I'll reinstall and see what happens there. On May 19, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Kevin Fjelsted wrote: > I have been trying to use the Xcode editor. > > ALthough it appears to be accessible I am regularly experiencing > VOiceOver restarting on it's own when I run Xcode. I am running > 10.6.7 OS X Xcode version 3.2.6(1761). > > Any ideas on why VoiceOver is resetting? From moriond at mac.com Fri May 20 00:19:39 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 13:19:39 -1000 Subject: Program editor such as MacVim compatibility with Mac VoiceOver In-Reply-To: References: <4A702E4D-8D97-492D-A341-5D8B36B13BCA@gmail.com> <18209247-7A77-4CC9-996C-3000A9299A97@gmail.com> <58E474AB-CDA1-40C6-AFB7-2800C0C8D981@btinternet.com> <25CD0C36-5DDF-4523-83A2-52FB8846B434@gmail.com> <688537FE-3425-4E17-B0FC-6A2491AF8B28@softcon.com> <2F452230-16B4-4739-874F-AC0DD4125EC1@gmail.com> Message-ID: <656A8C40-A7CC-4345-8DED-0C9C849CA455@mac.com> Hi Kevin, You originally wrote: I am looking for feedback on a solution for creating and modifying C, Java, and LISP programs. I understand that MacVim is Coco compatible and I have downloaded version 7.3. It doesn't seem to play that well with VOiceOver however there may be settings that need to be tweaked. Has anyone found a workable solution for MacVim or another editor that works well with VOiceOver? ? A couple of years ago Yvonne Thomson wrote a post about using MacVim, and later posted this on a blog site: "Using MacVim with Voiceover" http://yvonnezed.posterous.com/using-macvim-with-voiceover You might try to read through that post and check whether her configuration suggestions provide any help. Yvonne is a programmer (more with Ruby/Python than with Java) and long time VoiceOver user, dating back from Tiger. I think she mostly uses MacVim, but I don't believe that she's subscribed to this list. HTH. Cheers, Esther From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Fri May 20 00:36:03 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 19:36:03 -0400 Subject: Podcast on the i-phone? Message-ID: <09FB3AAABD91436F8C054E157E728A13@DCQ0CYF1> Ok I'm about to buy a Mac mini, but I also have just updated my mobile phone to the i-phone. Where can I find podcasts and or documentation on using the i-phone with voice over? Thanks. "The first law of dietetics seems to be if it tastes good, it's bad for you." - Dr. Isaac Asimov tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (that's also my messenger contact) twitter.com/todayinbraille Skype: raleighgirl62 From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 20 01:44:10 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 17:44:10 -0700 Subject: Podcast on the i-phone? In-Reply-To: <09FB3AAABD91436F8C054E157E728A13@DCQ0CYF1> References: <09FB3AAABD91436F8C054E157E728A13@DCQ0CYF1> Message-ID: <420F93DA-BF69-402B-A8C7-1306A2F22743@gmail.com> There are podcsts at http://blindcooltech.com on the mac and iphone. also http://gwenna.podbean.com has some awesome stuff. Take care and have a wonderful day. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 19, 2011, at 4:36 PM, Tracy wrote: > Ok I'm about to buy a Mac mini, but I also have just updated my mobile phone to the i-phone. Where can I find podcasts and or documentation on using the i-phone with voice over? Thanks. > > "The first law of dietetics seems to be if it tastes good, it's bad for you." - Dr. Isaac Asimov > > tracyduffy at nc.rr.com > (that's also my messenger contact) > twitter.com/todayinbraille > Skype: raleighgirl62 > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From billd at insightbb.com Fri May 20 04:01:37 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 23:01:37 -0400 Subject: setting up accounts on the I Phone In-Reply-To: References: <0157336D-0EC6-4C51-83E0-09D31D4EB704@insightbb.com> Message-ID: Hello, Thanks for the information. I now have Pandora radio on my iphone. Bill Deatherage From tracyduffy at nc.rr.com Fri May 20 08:02:25 2011 From: tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (Tracy) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 03:02:25 -0400 Subject: Podcast on the i-phone? References: <09FB3AAABD91436F8C054E157E728A13@DCQ0CYF1> <420F93DA-BF69-402B-A8C7-1306A2F22743@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you very much. Deeply appreciated. "The first law of dietetics seems to be if it tastes good, it's bad for you." - Dr. Isaac Asimov tracyduffy at nc.rr.com (that's also my messenger contact) twitter.com/todayinbraille Skype: raleighgirl62 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sarah Alawami" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 8:44 PM Subject: Re: Podcast on the i-phone? > There are podcsts at http://blindcooltech.com on the mac and iphone. also > http://gwenna.podbean.com has some awesome stuff. > > Take care and have a wonderful day. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to > http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact > me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 19, 2011, at 4:36 PM, Tracy wrote: > >> Ok I'm about to buy a Mac mini, but I also have just updated my mobile >> phone to the i-phone. Where can I find podcasts and or documentation on >> using the i-phone with voice over? Thanks. >> >> "The first law of dietetics seems to be if it tastes good, it's bad for >> you." - Dr. Isaac Asimov >> >> tracyduffy at nc.rr.com >> (that's also my messenger contact) >> twitter.com/todayinbraille >> Skype: raleighgirl62 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri May 20 09:11:18 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 09:11:18 +0100 Subject: fusion query In-Reply-To: <55A010B9-6DCE-41A2-933B-67E8D57BCC40@gmail.com> References: <5563F707-1901-4B4F-A4AF-809CF6C3D2C8@gmail.com> <808B30FA-A452-482E-945D-51025C0315A9@googlemail.com> <55A010B9-6DCE-41A2-933B-67E8D57BCC40@gmail.com> Message-ID: <14D19451-0FE6-47CD-A95B-BDAE304DBEB3@gmail.com> if i use sharpkeys though I wonder, can I get things tow ork? On 19 May 2011, at 21:36, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Nope. I'm using nvda and I tried the map thing under the prefs in fusion itself and that part is so inaccessible it's not funny. > > Take care. > Sarah Alawami > > If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. > > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On May 19, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Lewis Crack wrote: > >> HI Will. >> >> I tried Fusion and I think you can...not sure. It's been a while since I used Fusion. >> Regards. >> Lewis. >> On 19 May 2011, at 14:04, william lomas wrote: >> >>> hi does anyone know please if I can make the jaws capslock capability work under fusion i.e. so the caps lock is a jws key? >>> Please reply off list as this is not mac related >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From helianthe at mac-access.net Fri May 20 09:30:38 2011 From: helianthe at mac-access.net (Lyn & Twinny) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 10:30:38 +0200 Subject: gps for iphone again Message-ID: <0E75A172-D716-4264-A4AC-753FBD5F6767@mac-access.net> Hello listers, Not too long ago we posted a question regarding gps for Iphone and so far only oneperson responded off list and this is greatly appreciated. Please can anyone provide any tips on using kapten gps as this is one we are trying at the moment? Otherwie, it would be nice to hear what other people are using and why. If nobody cares to answer I misht find my sources elsewhere as I thought this list was meant to be helpful. thanks and take care` Lyn and Twinny Sent from my iPhone From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri May 20 10:58:01 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 10:58:01 +0100 Subject: kindle accessibility on mac and IOS Message-ID: <1E827E4C-A5A8-4DF9-8A0E-85492758C02E@computing.dcu.ie> Hi all, While looking for something entirely different, I came across Amazon's accessible Kindle application for pc-based computers running that other operating system which doesn't have a screenreader built in. So the question is simple. Do they have a similarly accessible version for mac or IOS platforms? D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Fri May 20 11:11:16 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 11:11:16 +0100 Subject: kindle accessibility on mac and IOS In-Reply-To: <1E827E4C-A5A8-4DF9-8A0E-85492758C02E@computing.dcu.ie> References: <1E827E4C-A5A8-4DF9-8A0E-85492758C02E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Hi as far as i know there is no accessable kindle apps for mac. if it turns out there is i would be very interested in knowing my self. Ian McNamara From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri May 20 11:13:06 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 11:13:06 +0100 Subject: kindle accessibility on mac and IOS In-Reply-To: References: <1E827E4C-A5A8-4DF9-8A0E-85492758C02E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <53E7AF1A-32AD-44C3-A065-B84B06F74791@computing.dcu.ie> Yep that's what it looks like Ian. I'll have to keep the old junker of a laptop around a while longer so. :-) On 20 May 2011, at 11:11, Ian McNamara wrote: > Hi as far as i know there is no accessable kindle apps for mac. if it turns out there is i would be very interested in knowing my self. > > Ian McNamara > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From anne at anarchie.org.uk Fri May 20 11:58:07 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 12:58:07 +0200 Subject: gps for iphone again In-Reply-To: <0E75A172-D716-4264-A4AC-753FBD5F6767@mac-access.net> References: <0E75A172-D716-4264-A4AC-753FBD5F6767@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Lyn, I use Kapten, but mainly for planning trips on public transport. I prefer Navigon when walking as k`Kapten often lags a bit behind which is not very helpful. Anyway, here's how it works. When you first open Kapten, go to Settings and select Navigation options where you set your pedestrian parameters. Go back to Settings, and select Units where you choose between kilometres and miles. You only have to do this once. On launching Kapten, on the first screen, select Pedestrian. There's no feedback to tell you that the selection was successful, but it opens a new screen. The new screen offers a number of choices: New Address; Ktags; favourites; contacts; points of interest; last destinations; plan a trip; public transports (sic); GPS coordinates. Then along the bottom of the screen are the buttons: Main Menu, Settings, Map, Shop, and Ktag. The easiest way is to select Plan a trip. You then get a screen where you can enter the point of departure and the destination. You can either enter an address manually or select from Contacts (or from Favourites or Ktags, but I haven't figured out how to get anything into either category). You then tap Validate and you'll be asked if you want to use Public Transport. If you say Yes, you'll get a screen with various options. Click on the Road Book button. You'll then get the detailed itinerary. You turn the page with a three-finger swipe left to go forward. You'll be given directions to get to where you take the public transport, then details of the trip. For instance, I put in a destination at the other side of Paris, and it told me how to get to my local station, then "At La Borne Blanche, take line RER D direction Melun (via Combs). Stay on for 19 stations and get off at Yerres." On the next page it lists the streets to take to reach my friend's house. When walking, it speaks the directions such as where to turn left or right. If you want to start your trip, you then have to go back to a screen that offers "Last destinations" where you'll find the destination you just entered. Select your destination and you'll be asked again if you want to use public transport. Select yes, and on the next screen you'll find "Start navigation". Select this, and Kapten will start to guide you. I hope this helps you get started. Cheers, Anne On 20 May 2011, at 10:30, Lyn & Twinny wrote: > Hello listers, > > Not too long ago we posted a question regarding gps for Iphone and so far only oneperson responded off list and this is greatly appreciated. > > Please can anyone provide any tips on using kapten gps as this is one we are trying at the moment? Otherwie, it would be nice to hear what other people are using and why. If nobody cares to answer I misht find my sources elsewhere as I thought this list was meant to be helpful. > thanks and take care` > Lyn and Twinny > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From annieskovnielsen at gmail.com Fri May 20 12:05:41 2011 From: annieskovnielsen at gmail.com (Annie Skov Nielsen) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 13:05:41 +0200 Subject: Nisus writer pro 2 is out. Message-ID: <6C68FD94-16B3-4E9D-9746-F0B991EF999C@gmail.com> Hi all. Nisus writer pro 2 is out. It seems rather accessible. There is a lot of new functions, it has been made easier to make a table of content, save it as epub or HTML. One interesting thing that has been added is a function in the spell checker that lets you correct all. I will recommend you to download the trial for free, and try it. You can use the program for free for 14 days. BBest regards Annie. From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri May 20 13:02:23 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 22:02:23 +1000 Subject: Nisus writer pro 2 is out. In-Reply-To: <6C68FD94-16B3-4E9D-9746-F0B991EF999C@gmail.com> References: <6C68FD94-16B3-4E9D-9746-F0B991EF999C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DD6584F.9080304@internode.on.net> Excellent! will try that and will consider upgrading, I've always enjoyed using Nisus. On 20/05/2011 9:05 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote: > Hi all. > > Nisus writer pro 2 is out. > > It seems rather accessible. There is a lot of new functions, it has been made easier to make a table of content, save it as epub or HTML. > > One interesting thing that has been added is a function in the spell checker that lets you correct all. > > I will recommend you to download the trial for free, and try it. You can use the program for free for 14 days. > BBest regards Annie. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From w9fyi at mac-access.net Fri May 20 13:33:33 2011 From: w9fyi at mac-access.net (Justin Mann) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 05:33:33 -0700 Subject: gps for iphone again In-Reply-To: <0E75A172-D716-4264-A4AC-753FBD5F6767@mac-access.net> References: <0E75A172-D716-4264-A4AC-753FBD5F6767@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <1BE22917-DE89-406D-85F4-82E4097821F9@mac-access.net> HI there, I use navigon, as I find it fairly useful. No, it is not as detailed as something like mobile geo, but for $40 I think that is what it is going for, it isn't too bad. The other thing that you can check out is the tomtom app. I've hard that is quite nice. On May 20, 2011, at 1:30 AM, Lyn & Twinny wrote: > Hello listers, > > Not too long ago we posted a question regarding gps for Iphone and so far only oneperson responded off list and this is greatly appreciated. > > Please can anyone provide any tips on using kapten gps as this is one we are trying at the moment? Otherwie, it would be nice to hear what other people are using and why. If nobody cares to answer I misht find my sources elsewhere as I thought this list was meant to be helpful. > thanks and take care` > Lyn and Twinny > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From w9fyi at mac-access.net Fri May 20 13:34:15 2011 From: w9fyi at mac-access.net (Justin Mann) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 05:34:15 -0700 Subject: kindle accessibility on mac and IOS In-Reply-To: <1E827E4C-A5A8-4DF9-8A0E-85492758C02E@computing.dcu.ie> References: <1E827E4C-A5A8-4DF9-8A0E-85492758C02E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <2370198B-AF40-42D1-BF6F-D3AD11B079DF@mac-access.net> Unfortunately it is dreadfuly unaccessible. On May 20, 2011, at 2:58 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi all, > > While looking for something entirely different, I came across Amazon's accessible Kindle application for pc-based computers running that other operating system which doesn't have a screenreader built in. > > So the question is simple. Do they have a similarly accessible version for mac or IOS platforms? > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Fri May 20 14:15:48 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 14:15:48 +0100 Subject: gps for iphone again In-Reply-To: <0E75A172-D716-4264-A4AC-753FBD5F6767@mac-access.net> References: <0E75A172-D716-4264-A4AC-753FBD5F6767@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <1029D059-F9C7-4A6F-8AB2-9EF8C4B9D22A@googlemail.com> HI Lyn. I don't use GPS very often as I don't go out too much on my own, due to the fact that I am still learning. I go to college, and the local pub and someitmes the chipshop. Anyway, going back to the topic, I use a little app called Sindeo Lookaround which is good if you want to know where you are, although it doesn't give you instructions on how to get places. The app costs just ?2.99. Also, according to the podcasts I have listened to, Navigon and TommTom App are also very good; they even tell you how to get places. In fact, it is handy to have Sindero and another GPS app such as Navigon or TomTom as Sindero gives you information about where you are a the time, whereas the others tell you how to get somewhere. Price of Navigon in Europe: ?34.99. Price of TomTom: ?69.99. I would personally go for Navigon as it is the cheaper option and both apps are pretty much as good as each other. I really hope this helps, and sorry I didn't respond faster, had a long day at college yesterday (like every Thursday) and just felt like chatting. Chat soon. Lewis. (Private Message): I hope Twinny is pulling through. On 20 May 2011, at 09:30, Lyn & Twinny wrote: > Hello listers, > > Not too long ago we posted a question regarding gps for Iphone and so far only oneperson responded off list and this is greatly appreciated. > > Please can anyone provide any tips on using kapten gps as this is one we are trying at the moment? Otherwie, it would be nice to hear what other people are using and why. If nobody cares to answer I misht find my sources elsewhere as I thought this list was meant to be helpful. > thanks and take care` > Lyn and Twinny > > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Fri May 20 17:12:42 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 13:12:42 -0300 Subject: Audio Hijack Pro and accessibility. Message-ID: <968F77B5ECED41AA90BAF8A4482215F9@CNIBnotebook> Hi Gang: Does voiceover work well with this animal? Cheers. From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri May 20 18:00:16 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 12:00:16 -0500 Subject: Audio Hijack Pro and accessibility. In-Reply-To: <968F77B5ECED41AA90BAF8A4482215F9@CNIBnotebook> References: <968F77B5ECED41AA90BAF8A4482215F9@CNIBnotebook> Message-ID: <3B112B28-F380-453E-9FD2-D24E8CFCA547@softcon.com> Vo works very well with audio hijack pro. I've been using it for several years. Some of the effects you can't use, but otherwise, it's completely accessible, and well worth the money to register. From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 20 18:14:26 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 10:14:26 -0700 Subject: Audio Hijack Pro and accessibility. In-Reply-To: <3B112B28-F380-453E-9FD2-D24E8CFCA547@softcon.com> References: <968F77B5ECED41AA90BAF8A4482215F9@CNIBnotebook> <3B112B28-F380-453E-9FD2-D24E8CFCA547@softcon.com> Message-ID: <9E0EDFD5-BA02-489E-81CF-6775C669CB75@gmail.com> Actually I'm not using it anymore because with the latest update which was in sept or so they no longer have the ability to hijack system audio and record the mic through that like you could in jan or so of last year. I now use sound flower, gb and that's it. I might use audio hijack once in a while to hijack an itunes thing or splice an excerpt out of a podcast for someone but other then that it's sf and gb. I asked them when they would make the effects panel more accessible so you can add and remove effects at will and they said they would not because they were working on a new interface. That was somewhere around jul or so of last year. I don't except that answer but not much I can do about that. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 20, 2011, at 10:00 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: > Vo works very well with audio hijack pro. I've been using it for several years. > Some of the effects you can't use, but otherwise, it's completely accessible, and well worth the money to register. > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 20 18:16:08 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 10:16:08 -0700 Subject: fusion query In-Reply-To: <14D19451-0FE6-47CD-A95B-BDAE304DBEB3@gmail.com> References: <5563F707-1901-4B4F-A4AF-809CF6C3D2C8@gmail.com> <808B30FA-A452-482E-945D-51025C0315A9@googlemail.com> <55A010B9-6DCE-41A2-933B-67E8D57BCC40@gmail.com> <14D19451-0FE6-47CD-A95B-BDAE304DBEB3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <041C17D3-5A52-41B7-A747-EFF457395CDA@gmail.com> NOpe. I've tried mapping the capslock key to incert and it can be mapped but it just does not work lol! I wish you could disable that in vmware's keyboard prefs for that machine under prifiles but if there is an easy way I dunno. that combo box is hard as hades to use. and I know how to use combo boxes lol! Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 20, 2011, at 1:11 AM, william lomas wrote: > if i use sharpkeys though I wonder, can I get things tow ork? > > On 19 May 2011, at 21:36, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Nope. I'm using nvda and I tried the map thing under the prefs in fusion itself and that part is so inaccessible it's not funny. >> >> Take care. >> Sarah Alawami >> >> If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. >> >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On May 19, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Lewis Crack wrote: >> >>> HI Will. >>> >>> I tried Fusion and I think you can...not sure. It's been a while since I used Fusion. >>> Regards. >>> Lewis. >>> On 19 May 2011, at 14:04, william lomas wrote: >>> >>>> hi does anyone know please if I can make the jaws capslock capability work under fusion i.e. so the caps lock is a jws key? >>>> Please reply off list as this is not mac related >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri May 20 18:31:03 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 12:31:03 -0500 Subject: Audio Hijack Pro and accessibility. In-Reply-To: <9E0EDFD5-BA02-489E-81CF-6775C669CB75@gmail.com> References: <968F77B5ECED41AA90BAF8A4482215F9@CNIBnotebook> <3B112B28-F380-453E-9FD2-D24E8CFCA547@softcon.com> <9E0EDFD5-BA02-489E-81CF-6775C669CB75@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5C784BE4-F89F-4618-B29B-0ACFF18212C0@softcon.com> Really? You can't hijack system audio anymore? hmm, Is that while recording with the microphone, or just in general? interesting. I've not upgraded to the latest version, never got around to it. Guess I won't now. Of course, I really didn't have any inention of upgrading anyhow, I kind of do my upgrades on an as needed basis, and I haven't needed any new features for a while, so haven't upgraded. Thanks for the info. From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 20 18:38:25 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 10:38:25 -0700 Subject: Audio Hijack Pro and accessibility. In-Reply-To: <5C784BE4-F89F-4618-B29B-0ACFF18212C0@softcon.com> References: <968F77B5ECED41AA90BAF8A4482215F9@CNIBnotebook> <3B112B28-F380-453E-9FD2-D24E8CFCA547@softcon.com> <9E0EDFD5-BA02-489E-81CF-6775C669CB75@gmail.com> <5C784BE4-F89F-4618-B29B-0ACFF18212C0@softcon.com> Message-ID: <560B12C4-4D7B-46D4-A381-FE69E02E3F2D@gmail.com> YOu can hijack it but when you hijack the mic you yourself can hear it but it won't transfer to the system audio. even creating a sf session and routing it won't work. I've tried talking to them about that and they gave some lame excuse like just use the effects pannel. I don't think they understood what vo was lol! Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On May 20, 2011, at 10:31 AM, Travis Siegel wrote: > Really? You can't hijack system audio anymore? hmm, Is that while recording with the microphone, or just in general? interesting. I've not upgraded to the latest version, never got around to it. Guess I won't now. > Of course, I really didn't have any inention of upgrading anyhow, I kind of do my upgrades on an as needed basis, and I haven't needed any new features for a while, so haven't upgraded. > Thanks for the info. > _______________________________________________ > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find a monthly formatted archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mfurness at bell.net Fri May 20 19:07:07 2011 From: mfurness at bell.net (Mark Furness) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 14:07:07 -0400 Subject: controlling volume Message-ID: While playing a disk, how does one turn down the volume level, without affecting the level of voice over? Thank you for your help. Mark From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri May 20 19:14:30 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 20 May 2011 11:14:30 -0700 Subject: fusion query In-Reply-To: <14D19451-0FE6-47CD-A95B-BDAE304DBEB3@gmail.com> References: <5563F707-1901-4B4F-A4AF-809CF6C3D2C8@gmail.com> <808B30FA-A452-482E-945D-51025C0315A9@googlemail.com> <55A010B9-6DCE-41A2-933B-67E8D57BCC40@gmail.com> <14D19451-0FE6-47CD-A95B-BDAE304DBEB3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6E7312C2-BCD7-4672-93F5-85387DC320B2@gmail.com> a bit of a clarity of what I meant. I was not talking about windows. here is what I mean. The discussion here is to make the capslock key work in vmware no matter what os is being used and I've been trying to figure this out for about a year now. lol! people say it is impossible and I *do* not take no for an answer lol! the combo box in the vmware prefs in the keyboard profile part of the settings in the os chosen has a combo box that is not accessible with voice over. there you can map keys and I hope disable them or what not. If you vo space on an choice in the combo box the choice will be turned in to "aa" what ever that is. If you hit escaped the choice is sometime stick and sometimes not. I have tried to contact vmware about this but they charge for tech support so I don't think I'll be paying per incident. *frown* I've asked [people on other lists as well and all of them say that this is not at all possible maybe it is not but I'd like to try and make it possible for someone to use the capslock key as an insert key in this case with out using an external keyboard. 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