From support at mac-access.net Tue Nov 1 00:50:31 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 00:50:31 +0000 Subject: Resuming Control Message-ID: Hello everybody First and most importantly of all, on behalf of Gordon, (now home again) and myself, I want to express our sincere gratitude to each and every one of you, without exception, for your maturity and cooperation in helping to keep the list running smoothly whilst Gordon and I were away. Each and every one of you has played their part in making Mac Access a great place for all current and potential Mac and iOS users to hang out and discuss their passion. We are proud of each and every one of you and glad to have you all as members and, more importantly still, new-found and, in some cases, old friends. Gordon and I also wish to publicly thank Anne and James, our two assistant list controllers for their vigilance and their assistance. All of the above is sincerely appreciated by both Gordon and myself and, if at any time we can be of help to any of you, please don't hesitate to contact us privately. We would be more than happy to return the favour. Lynne From jonesbl at comcast.net Tue Nov 1 01:07:46 2011 From: jonesbl at comcast.net (barbara jones) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 21:07:46 -0400 Subject: Virus protection In-Reply-To: <8EB1748F-5E29-47E0-ADB8-48F95C145FDF@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: Hi Colin! I won't be using Windows once I get some knowledge of the Mac. I have an administrative account on my PC so know how to use that and will get some instruction on how to set the Mac up that way.I will wait to hear about the firewall from others. Thanks again for your help. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Red.Falcon Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 7:54 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Virus protection Hi barbara! Yes the anti virus on the Mac Can cause debate! But a good thing to do some people have said, is to get a anti virus for your windows side! This is not to protect your Mac but people you might converse with that platform! Also one person suggested for the Mac side, is to set up a main admin account for installing software! And then set up a daily user account with read only priverlages and just use that one! The idea is if you do come across something undesirable on your daily account, it will not have access to the admin one! And other people use the firewall! But someone with more knowledge of that will have to tell you more! As for me I've not yet got anything on here and I do not use windows! hth Colin PS. let the debate begin! :] hahahahaha On 31 Oct 2011, at 23:38, barbara jones wrote: > Thank you Chris. I'll be looking at the programs. > Barbara > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris G > Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 7:27 PM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Virus protection > > > I've used protectmac and it is accessible. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: James AUSTIN > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:24:04 +0000 > Subject: Re: Virus protection > >> Hi Barbara, >> >> There are three that I am aware of but as yet don't use any. This is > likely to change in the near future though. The issue of > Anti-Virus/Malware is a little contentious among some in the Mac > community. As i say, this is changing though. Nevertheless, there are > some companies who seem to be reputable. Others on list will be able to > advise on accessibility I'm sure. >> >> 1. Intego - Virus Barrier X http://www.intego.com/virusbarrier/ >> >> You can also get a free version of this from the App Store, which >> will > scan your computer for infections etc, but *you* must run it manually. > The paid version is automatic though. >> >> 2. ProtectMac >> http://www.protectmac.com/antivirus/ >> 3. MacScan >> http://macscan.securemac.com/ >> 4. F-Secure >> http://www.f-secure.com/en/web/home_gb/home >> >> TC :) >> James >> >> Also, apart from the Intego site, www.securemac.com often provides >> good > advice. >> Hope this helps >> On 31 Oct 2011, at 22:37, barbara jones wrote: >> >>> Hello >>> What are people using on a Mac laptop? How user friendly are the >>> ones > being >>> used. >>> thanks >>> Barbara >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access > forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Nov 1 01:18:26 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 01:18:26 +0000 Subject: Assistive Accessibility & Web Content; [Was "Apple And Windows"] In-Reply-To: References: <126340DB98D24D31992EECBBAE5EC010@Blossom> <0AC61527-F9A5-4A6E-8BCA-D8FF4E5E7D17@swbell.net> <13937E13-4764-4763-889E-42FB119AB635@mac-access.net> <5AC5BA7D7DF741A2971E3A26C41C5A30@Blossom> <3D8BF6BE-3A69-44FD-979E-F4B4F51F9A98@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Jonathan I disagree with one of your comments and, if I may, I'll explain why. But naturally this "disagreement" is merely in the form of constructive and friendly discussion. I value your views highly as I do with every single other member of this group. On 31 Oct 2011, at 18:55, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: ? Oh I wouldn't worry about people telling you VO is a very different type of screen reader, it isn't really. I've used probably a dozen or more in my life and believe me, it's just the same as all the rest - other than the fact it is better designed, works more effectivly and is free that is! That's the part I disagree with. VO, in respect of web browsing in particular, is nothing whatsoever like the rest. In fact, it's very different. I know that in JFW there's supposedly a "WYSIWYG" interface; but natively VoiceOver is the only one I have ever seen that's totally that way. To the best of my knowledge, there isn't another screen-reader on Mss platform that conforms to the object-orientated standards to which VoiceOver does. Web content looks astonishingly different under OSX to how I have ever seen it under Windows with an accessibility tool installed. I don't want to get into the Windows discussion here, and I ask people please not to do so. But VO shows the visually impaired user an almost true representation of web content the way that we who are so fortunate enough to have vision would see it also. Just one observation for whatever it may be worth. Lynne From niam.mckeown at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 01:24:08 2011 From: niam.mckeown at gmail.com (Niamh) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 01:24:08 -0000 Subject: Seri - a query about its use References: <4EADAE5C.5000505@techno-chat.net> <85A2A06A-4E56-48DE-A9C2-9882E86B992C@internode.on.net> <963B031928114EF09915F8005E3219B8@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY><1E523529-DB98-49AC-BF1D-06756C90D31B@mac-access.net> <4EADE3F6.1070604@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <1B9808BA48F948989D57CC6C0B824A1F@Blossom> Hi Chris and others, I am very new to all this but I have had a thought. A very few years ago I had my sight and fear I might have been a bit intolerant towards blind and disabled people. My point is that when the NFB threatened Apple with the law over inaccessibility issues many sighted people were annoyed that it might hold up the technology. The Siri issue could be now seen in a wider context, I am sure that there are many disabled people, not only blind people, who might find that Siri opens the Iphone up to them, I am thinking of people with poor motor skills. Just a thought not a criticism. Thank you all for this list I find it very helpful. Niamh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris hallsworth" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 11:55 PM Subject: Re: Seri - a query about its use > Yes, I agree. I think if I use Siri I will forget the last six months of > learning to use a touch screen. So not a waste of a feature but a waste of > my time if I was to use Siri entirely. Just some thoughts and hopefully > constructive criticism. > > On 30/10/2011 23:20, James AUSTIN wrote: >> Hi listers, >> >> I don't have Seri, so I'm writing from a non-user perspective. >> >> While Seri sounds cool, i am concerned that such reliance by some - not >> necessarily on this list, but generally, will lead to a breakdown in >> other skills. Typing for instance, particularly among Blind children. >> Again, products like Seri are cool, but I think should be used with >> caution. >> >> Also, I'm hopeful that Apple will address any bugs that people are >> finding, and while I'm not criticising anyone on list, I think we need to >> remember that this is the first iteration in IOS 5. Things are hopefully >> going to improve as time goes on. >> >> TC :) >> james >> On 30 Oct 2011, at 23:07, Geoff Waaler wrote: >> >>> As useful and fun as I find Siri, Apple needs to address a few apparent >>> bugs related to using Siri and voiceOver. >>> >>> The reader will observe that when voiceover is turned off: >>> 1. Lift to speak is more reliable -- hardly perfect, but lots more >>> consistent. >>> >>> 2. Siri begins listening automatically upon asking a follow-up question >>> without need to press and hold home or double tap "listen". >>> >>> 3. Calls are completed much more quickly without having to first hear: >>> You said: call Joe blow mobile. Calling Joe Blows mobile phone: >>> 999-999-9999 ... long pause, and if you don't touch or jiggle anything >>> the call finally is placed several seconds later. To illustrate what I >>> mean, try toggling vo off before placing a call via Siri and observe an >>> infinitely faster experience. >>> >>> Best regards. >>> Geoff >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Dane Trethowan >>> To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility >>> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:36 PM >>> Subject: Re: Siri - is it me or is it you? >>> >>> >>> I wish you'd make up your mind, one minute you're saying its too good >>> to be true and the next your making an apology for saying that. >>> >>> I can only speak for Siri in Australia and the information I have >>> states that any limitations on the system will be lifted in November, >>> November has 30 days and we're not even into the month yet so we may >>> have a while to wait. >>> >>> The system can't be that limited here, I've mentioned that I'm >>> following a couple of people on Twitter in Australia who say that Siri >>> has "Changed Their Lives", whether they're using "turn-by-turn" features >>> of Siri I'm not sure but I'll make a point of asking them. >>> >>> >>> On 31/10/2011, at 7:06 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: >>> >>>> I hear it's limited here in the UK. I think this is why I said what I >>>> said about Siri being too good to be true. It may work perfectly over >>>> in the US and no doubt other countries, but I hear it is limited here >>>> in the UK. >>>> >>>> On 30/10/2011 20:04, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: >>>>> I've had an iPhone 4S for three days now. Getting Siri wasn't my >>>>> reason for getting the phone, but I was looking forward to using it. >>>>> >>>>> I have to say, I'm very underwhelmed so far. OK, I accept that the >>>>> business search feature isn't available in the UK, but it also told me >>>>> that turn-by-turn wasn't available either and there's a million GPS >>>>> apps about, so the maps exist. >>>>> >>>>> also, I find that not all the conversation is read out and it took me >>>>> a bit of time waiting like an idiot before I realised I had to press >>>>> send to send a txt. >>>>> >>>>> I don't find the method of activation of putting the phone to your ear >>>>> very consistant and find that unless I gabble out a text, only half of >>>>> it is heard. >>>>> >>>>> Is it me? I've heard people practicly wetting themselves over Siri. >>>>> Maybe they are more easilly pleased than I am? >>>>> >>>>> Jonathan >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Nov 1 01:30:36 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 01:30:36 +0000 Subject: List Archives Message-ID: Hello everybody I would just like to remind people of the existence of the Mac Access list archives. We are getting a lot of questions here recently which have been asked many times before on list. That's not a complaint, nor is it a rebuke of any kind. I just wanted to raise awareness of the archives which can be searched to provide often very in-depth discussions which may well answer your questions. Again, I need to stress strongly that this isn't in any way a complaint, rebuke, warning, or anything else of that nature. I am just as guilty as anybody else if that's the right word. The list archives may be found in two places: 1. The "official" list archive page is at: 2. The "Unofficial; [experimental]; list archive may be found here: As an aside note, if you'd like to subscribe to the list in your friendly favourite RSS reader, feel free. It's at: I just thought that, as I said, this might raise awareness. Please don't stop asking your questions and posting your comment; they are always both very welcome and equally as appreciated from new members and old hands alike. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Nov 1 01:34:14 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 01:34:14 +0000 Subject: Virus protection In-Reply-To: <5362CC2F49184D3D9DE692155A45FBE2@pc> References: <5362CC2F49184D3D9DE692155A45FBE2@pc> Message-ID: <7F1D5327-7FE5-45CD-864A-28A17C47CCE9@mac-access.net> Hello Barbara Viruses under OSX are rare; though Trojans and Malware do exist. We have tried ProtectMac, which, I think, is available from either: or: I don't have the URL off-hand. For other types of security threats we recommend MacScan: They are accessible and quite cheap to buy. Lynne On 31 Oct 2011, at 22:37, barbara jones wrote: Hello What are people using on a Mac laptop? How user friendly are the ones being used. thanks Barbara <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Nov 1 01:36:16 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 01:36:16 +0000 Subject: Audio editing software. In-Reply-To: <12AA2078-54AB-46F3-B3AE-94CA116B5FFD@internode.on.net> References: <4317E227-5756-47C1-8E64-BC767FEA291D@computing.dcu.ie> <12AA2078-54AB-46F3-B3AE-94CA116B5FFD@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <6CDE0F54-71D7-4301-B557-73EE1EF265A6@mac-access.net> Off topic! . lynne On 31 Oct 2011, at 22:52, Dane Trethowan wrote: Well for that money I'd not bother with any of the Mac audio editing clients, I'd goal the way and buy Sound Forge Pro and probably have enough money over to buy a good Notebook computer to use it with . From jonesbl at comcast.net Tue Nov 1 03:05:39 2011 From: jonesbl at comcast.net (barbara jones) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:05:39 -0400 Subject: Virus protection In-Reply-To: <7F1D5327-7FE5-45CD-864A-28A17C47CCE9@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <709FF682B94F4B38A70A3CFB2F3275CA@pc> thank you Lynn for this information. I'll have a look at the archives also as you suggested. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 9:34 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Virus protection Hello Barbara Viruses under OSX are rare; though Trojans and Malware do exist. We have tried ProtectMac, which, I think, is available from either: or: I don't have the URL off-hand. For other types of security threats we recommend MacScan: They are accessible and quite cheap to buy. Lynne On 31 Oct 2011, at 22:37, barbara jones wrote: Hello What are people using on a Mac laptop? How user friendly are the ones being used. thanks Barbara <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 03:34:14 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:34:14 -0700 Subject: Virus protection In-Reply-To: <992065D5-2EA4-4E08-9414-8D3ECB610EC4@mac-access.net> References: <5362CC2F49184D3D9DE692155A45FBE2@pc> <992065D5-2EA4-4E08-9414-8D3ECB610EC4@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <2F140FF0-A46F-4A76-ABFC-FD034D3B9BAC@gmail.com> I use sophos anti virus. Since I lost the app thugh when I migrated and have not bothered to find it again I don't have a url. YOu can search http://www.downloads.com and get it from there. They have a welth of softwares you can find. On Oct 31, 2011, at 4:24 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: > Hi Barbara, > > There are three that I am aware of but as yet don't use any. This is likely to change in the near future though. The issue of Anti-Virus/Malware is a little contentious among some in the Mac community. As i say, this is changing though. Nevertheless, there are some companies who seem to be reputable. Others on list will be able to advise on accessibility I'm sure. > > 1. Intego - Virus Barrier X > http://www.intego.com/virusbarrier/ > > You can also get a free version of this from the App Store, which will scan your computer for infections etc, but *you* must run it manually. The paid version is automatic though. > > 2. ProtectMac > http://www.protectmac.com/antivirus/ > 3. MacScan > http://macscan.securemac.com/ > 4. F-Secure > http://www.f-secure.com/en/web/home_gb/home > > TC :) > James > > Also, apart from the Intego site, www.securemac.com often provides good advice. > Hope this helps > On 31 Oct 2011, at 22:37, barbara jones wrote: > >> Hello >> What are people using on a Mac laptop? How user friendly are the ones being >> used. >> thanks >> Barbara >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 03:37:54 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:37:54 -0700 Subject: Audio editing software. In-Reply-To: <12AA2078-54AB-46F3-B3AE-94CA116B5FFD@internode.on.net> References: <4317E227-5756-47C1-8E64-BC767FEA291D@computing.dcu.ie> <12AA2078-54AB-46F3-B3AE-94CA116B5FFD@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <15F336C6-6571-4C12-A948-3E630B359314@gmail.com> I'd use protools and a 500 thousand dollar consul I used in 2005. I loved that consul and want to use it again. Oh and some neumin mics. All that would cost about 700 grand. but I'd have the best sounding studio I could ever have. Oh and all of that on a mac pro with the highest amount of drives they have all rade and the highest amount of ram it could hold and the best graphics card they have for video. Add another $50000 to that price tag and yeah there ya go. On Oct 31, 2011, at 3:52 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Well for that money I'd not bother with any of the Mac audio editing clients, I'd goal the way and buy Sound Forge Pro and probably have enough money over to buy a good Notebook computer to use it with . > > > On 01/11/2011, at 8:10 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> Let's dive into the realm of the hypothetical? If money were no object, (ok let's put an arbitrary 1200$ or 850? figure on it) which audio editing software would you buy? It's not so much for music, as soundscapes, and fairly advanced DSP stuff. and sure while we're at it, let's throw in video editing as well. >> >> *obviously* accessibility is a must. >> >> Cheers, >> >> D?nal >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 03:40:07 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:40:07 -0700 Subject: Seri - a query about its use In-Reply-To: <1B9808BA48F948989D57CC6C0B824A1F@Blossom> References: <4EADAE5C.5000505@techno-chat.net> <85A2A06A-4E56-48DE-A9C2-9882E86B992C@internode.on.net> <963B031928114EF09915F8005E3219B8@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY><1E523529-DB98-49AC-BF1D-06756C90D31B@mac-access.net> <4EADE3F6.1070604@techno-chat.net> <1B9808BA48F948989D57CC6C0B824A1F@Blossom> Message-ID: Yeah you bring up a good point. I don't have moder issues but I loose all feeling in both hands and to even try and type let alone use an iphone is not possibil so when I do upgrade I will be learning seri for when I cannot even hold the phone in my hand. or use my keyboard to type with like I'm doing now. On Oct 31, 2011, at 6:24 PM, Niamh wrote: > Hi Chris and others, > I am very new to all this but I have had a thought. > A very few years ago I had my sight and fear I might have been a bit intolerant towards blind and disabled people. > My point is that when the NFB threatened Apple with the law over inaccessibility issues many sighted people were annoyed that it might hold up the technology. > The Siri issue could be now seen in a wider context, I am sure that there are many disabled people, not only blind people, who might find that Siri opens the Iphone up to them, I am thinking of people with poor motor skills. > Just a thought not a criticism. > Thank you all for this list I find it very helpful. > Niamh > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris hallsworth" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 11:55 PM > Subject: Re: Seri - a query about its use > > >> Yes, I agree. I think if I use Siri I will forget the last six months of learning to use a touch screen. So not a waste of a feature but a waste of my time if I was to use Siri entirely. Just some thoughts and hopefully constructive criticism. >> >> On 30/10/2011 23:20, James AUSTIN wrote: >>> Hi listers, >>> >>> I don't have Seri, so I'm writing from a non-user perspective. >>> >>> While Seri sounds cool, i am concerned that such reliance by some - not necessarily on this list, but generally, will lead to a breakdown in other skills. Typing for instance, particularly among Blind children. Again, products like Seri are cool, but I think should be used with caution. >>> >>> Also, I'm hopeful that Apple will address any bugs that people are finding, and while I'm not criticising anyone on list, I think we need to remember that this is the first iteration in IOS 5. Things are hopefully going to improve as time goes on. >>> >>> TC :) >>> james >>> On 30 Oct 2011, at 23:07, Geoff Waaler wrote: >>> >>>> As useful and fun as I find Siri, Apple needs to address a few apparent bugs related to using Siri and voiceOver. >>>> >>>> The reader will observe that when voiceover is turned off: >>>> 1. Lift to speak is more reliable -- hardly perfect, but lots more consistent. >>>> >>>> 2. Siri begins listening automatically upon asking a follow-up question without need to press and hold home or double tap "listen". >>>> >>>> 3. Calls are completed much more quickly without having to first hear: You said: call Joe blow mobile. Calling Joe Blows mobile phone: 999-999-9999 ... long pause, and if you don't touch or jiggle anything the call finally is placed several seconds later. To illustrate what I mean, try toggling vo off before placing a call via Siri and observe an infinitely faster experience. >>>> >>>> Best regards. >>>> Geoff >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Dane Trethowan >>>> To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:36 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Siri - is it me or is it you? >>>> >>>> >>>> I wish you'd make up your mind, one minute you're saying its too good to be true and the next your making an apology for saying that. >>>> >>>> I can only speak for Siri in Australia and the information I have states that any limitations on the system will be lifted in November, November has 30 days and we're not even into the month yet so we may have a while to wait. >>>> >>>> The system can't be that limited here, I've mentioned that I'm following a couple of people on Twitter in Australia who say that Siri has "Changed Their Lives", whether they're using "turn-by-turn" features of Siri I'm not sure but I'll make a point of asking them. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 31/10/2011, at 7:06 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: >>>> >>>>> I hear it's limited here in the UK. I think this is why I said what I said about Siri being too good to be true. It may work perfectly over in the US and no doubt other countries, but I hear it is limited here in the UK. >>>>> >>>>> On 30/10/2011 20:04, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: >>>>>> I've had an iPhone 4S for three days now. Getting Siri wasn't my >>>>>> reason for getting the phone, but I was looking forward to using it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have to say, I'm very underwhelmed so far. OK, I accept that the >>>>>> business search feature isn't available in the UK, but it also told me >>>>>> that turn-by-turn wasn't available either and there's a million GPS >>>>>> apps about, so the maps exist. >>>>>> >>>>>> also, I find that not all the conversation is read out and it took me >>>>>> a bit of time waiting like an idiot before I realised I had to press >>>>>> send to send a txt. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't find the method of activation of putting the phone to your ear >>>>>> very consistant and find that unless I gabble out a text, only half of >>>>>> it is heard. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it me? I've heard people practicly wetting themselves over Siri. >>>>>> Maybe they are more easilly pleased than I am? >>>>>> >>>>>> Jonathan >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From helianthe at mac-access.net Tue Nov 1 05:18:02 2011 From: helianthe at mac-access.net (Lyn & her faithful furry friends) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 06:18:02 +0100 Subject: accessible radio app for the mac? In-Reply-To: <8020F2B8-979B-4C03-97F3-3020D5EFDA70@internode.on.net> References: <3A0FE135-0941-415F-BF08-C06DD58C258B@mac-access.net> <8020F2B8-979B-4C03-97F3-3020D5EFDA70@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <28378FBB-F4CC-4846-8937-C77D5E8DC795@mac-access.net> I don't think you can use Itunes in that way, I mean I can't see a search edit field to search for specific stations. Anyway, I would like an alternative to Itunes because some of the stations I listen to for some reason do not work when using iTunes. So if anyone knows of a good accessible radio app for the mac, I would be grateful. Maybe something similar to tune in radio for IOS devices would be cool if at all there is such program available for the mac. Take care all, Lyn, Canelle & Epi On Oct 30, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Can you use say Itunes to bring up the radio station you want and play it? > > > On 31/10/2011, at 7:48 AM, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: > >> Hello listers, >> Does anyone know of an accessible radio app for the mac other than iTunes? I once tried radium but I was not too impressed with it. Unless I missed something, I was unable to browse through stations. The only way I could listen to a station is to type its name or some criteria in the search field. I wonder if there is an app that will let you browse through stations, categories and such. >> >> Thanks for any feedback. >> >> Lyn, Canelle & Epi >> >> ********** >> You can contact me in the following ways: >> email: >> helianthe at mac-access.net >> msn: >> lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com >> skype: >> micky-mac2010 >> facebook: >> www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 >> Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ********** You can contact me in the following ways: email: helianthe at mac-access.net msn: lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com skype: micky-mac2010 facebook: www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. From james.austin at mac-access.net Tue Nov 1 08:29:04 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 08:29:04 +0000 Subject: Seri - a query about its use In-Reply-To: <1B9808BA48F948989D57CC6C0B824A1F@Blossom> References: <4EADAE5C.5000505@techno-chat.net> <85A2A06A-4E56-48DE-A9C2-9882E86B992C@internode.on.net> <963B031928114EF09915F8005E3219B8@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY><1E523529-DB98-49AC-BF1D-06756C90D31B@mac-access.net> <4EADE3F6.1070604@techno-chat.net> <1B9808BA48F948989D57CC6C0B824A1F@Blossom> Message-ID: Hi Niamh I think you're absolutely right. There are people I know that could benefit from this personally. TC :) James On 1 Nov 2011, at 01:24, Niamh wrote: > Hi Chris and others, > I am very new to all this but I have had a thought. > A very few years ago I had my sight and fear I might have been a bit intolerant towards blind and disabled people. > My point is that when the NFB threatened Apple with the law over inaccessibility issues many sighted people were annoyed that it might hold up the technology. > The Siri issue could be now seen in a wider context, I am sure that there are many disabled people, not only blind people, who might find that Siri opens the Iphone up to them, I am thinking of people with poor motor skills. > Just a thought not a criticism. > Thank you all for this list I find it very helpful. > Niamh > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris hallsworth" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 11:55 PM > Subject: Re: Seri - a query about its use > > >> Yes, I agree. I think if I use Siri I will forget the last six months of learning to use a touch screen. So not a waste of a feature but a waste of my time if I was to use Siri entirely. Just some thoughts and hopefully constructive criticism. >> >> On 30/10/2011 23:20, James AUSTIN wrote: >>> Hi listers, >>> >>> I don't have Seri, so I'm writing from a non-user perspective. >>> >>> While Seri sounds cool, i am concerned that such reliance by some - not necessarily on this list, but generally, will lead to a breakdown in other skills. Typing for instance, particularly among Blind children. Again, products like Seri are cool, but I think should be used with caution. >>> >>> Also, I'm hopeful that Apple will address any bugs that people are finding, and while I'm not criticising anyone on list, I think we need to remember that this is the first iteration in IOS 5. Things are hopefully going to improve as time goes on. >>> >>> TC :) >>> james >>> On 30 Oct 2011, at 23:07, Geoff Waaler wrote: >>> >>>> As useful and fun as I find Siri, Apple needs to address a few apparent bugs related to using Siri and voiceOver. >>>> >>>> The reader will observe that when voiceover is turned off: >>>> 1. Lift to speak is more reliable -- hardly perfect, but lots more consistent. >>>> >>>> 2. Siri begins listening automatically upon asking a follow-up question without need to press and hold home or double tap "listen". >>>> >>>> 3. Calls are completed much more quickly without having to first hear: You said: call Joe blow mobile. Calling Joe Blows mobile phone: 999-999-9999 ... long pause, and if you don't touch or jiggle anything the call finally is placed several seconds later. To illustrate what I mean, try toggling vo off before placing a call via Siri and observe an infinitely faster experience. >>>> >>>> Best regards. >>>> Geoff >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Dane Trethowan >>>> To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:36 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Siri - is it me or is it you? >>>> >>>> >>>> I wish you'd make up your mind, one minute you're saying its too good to be true and the next your making an apology for saying that. >>>> >>>> I can only speak for Siri in Australia and the information I have states that any limitations on the system will be lifted in November, November has 30 days and we're not even into the month yet so we may have a while to wait. >>>> >>>> The system can't be that limited here, I've mentioned that I'm following a couple of people on Twitter in Australia who say that Siri has "Changed Their Lives", whether they're using "turn-by-turn" features of Siri I'm not sure but I'll make a point of asking them. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 31/10/2011, at 7:06 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: >>>> >>>>> I hear it's limited here in the UK. I think this is why I said what I said about Siri being too good to be true. It may work perfectly over in the US and no doubt other countries, but I hear it is limited here in the UK. >>>>> >>>>> On 30/10/2011 20:04, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: >>>>>> I've had an iPhone 4S for three days now. Getting Siri wasn't my >>>>>> reason for getting the phone, but I was looking forward to using it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have to say, I'm very underwhelmed so far. OK, I accept that the >>>>>> business search feature isn't available in the UK, but it also told me >>>>>> that turn-by-turn wasn't available either and there's a million GPS >>>>>> apps about, so the maps exist. >>>>>> >>>>>> also, I find that not all the conversation is read out and it took me >>>>>> a bit of time waiting like an idiot before I realised I had to press >>>>>> send to send a txt. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't find the method of activation of putting the phone to your ear >>>>>> very consistant and find that unless I gabble out a text, only half of >>>>>> it is heard. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it me? I've heard people practicly wetting themselves over Siri. >>>>>> Maybe they are more easilly pleased than I am? >>>>>> >>>>>> Jonathan >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Tue Nov 1 08:33:03 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 08:33:03 +0000 Subject: Seri - a query about its use In-Reply-To: <1B9808BA48F948989D57CC6C0B824A1F@Blossom> References: <4EADAE5C.5000505@techno-chat.net> <85A2A06A-4E56-48DE-A9C2-9882E86B992C@internode.on.net> <963B031928114EF09915F8005E3219B8@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY><1E523529-DB98-49AC-BF1D-06756C90D31B@mac-access.net> <4EADE3F6.1070604@techno-chat.net> <1B9808BA48F948989D57CC6C0B824A1F@Blossom> Message-ID: <4EAFAEBF.8080108@techno-chat.net> Yes I think Siri would be ideal for those who were otherwise put off by the touch screen only concept of the iPhone. While it is truly accessible without siri, the thought of using a touch screen device for some may be daunting enough to put them off trying one out let alone buying one. Not so with me but that's my prospective of things. On 01/11/2011 01:24, Niamh wrote: > Hi Chris and others, > I am very new to all this but I have had a thought. > A very few years ago I had my sight and fear I might have been a bit > intolerant towards blind and disabled people. > My point is that when the NFB threatened Apple with the law over > inaccessibility issues many sighted people were annoyed that it might > hold up the technology. > The Siri issue could be now seen in a wider context, I am sure that > there are many disabled people, not only blind people, who might find > that Siri opens the Iphone up to them, I am thinking of people with poor > motor skills. > Just a thought not a criticism. > Thank you all for this list I find it very helpful. > Niamh > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris hallsworth" > > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 11:55 PM > Subject: Re: Seri - a query about its use > > >> Yes, I agree. I think if I use Siri I will forget the last six months >> of learning to use a touch screen. So not a waste of a feature but a >> waste of my time if I was to use Siri entirely. Just some thoughts and >> hopefully constructive criticism. >> >> On 30/10/2011 23:20, James AUSTIN wrote: >>> Hi listers, >>> >>> I don't have Seri, so I'm writing from a non-user perspective. >>> >>> While Seri sounds cool, i am concerned that such reliance by some - >>> not necessarily on this list, but generally, will lead to a breakdown >>> in other skills. Typing for instance, particularly among Blind >>> children. Again, products like Seri are cool, but I think should be >>> used with caution. >>> >>> Also, I'm hopeful that Apple will address any bugs that people are >>> finding, and while I'm not criticising anyone on list, I think we >>> need to remember that this is the first iteration in IOS 5. Things >>> are hopefully going to improve as time goes on. >>> >>> TC :) >>> james >>> On 30 Oct 2011, at 23:07, Geoff Waaler wrote: >>> >>>> As useful and fun as I find Siri, Apple needs to address a few >>>> apparent bugs related to using Siri and voiceOver. >>>> >>>> The reader will observe that when voiceover is turned off: >>>> 1. Lift to speak is more reliable -- hardly perfect, but lots more >>>> consistent. >>>> >>>> 2. Siri begins listening automatically upon asking a follow-up >>>> question without need to press and hold home or double tap "listen". >>>> >>>> 3. Calls are completed much more quickly without having to first >>>> hear: You said: call Joe blow mobile. Calling Joe Blows mobile >>>> phone: 999-999-9999 ... long pause, and if you don't touch or jiggle >>>> anything the call finally is placed several seconds later. To >>>> illustrate what I mean, try toggling vo off before placing a call >>>> via Siri and observe an infinitely faster experience. >>>> >>>> Best regards. >>>> Geoff >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Dane Trethowan >>>> To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:36 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Siri - is it me or is it you? >>>> >>>> >>>> I wish you'd make up your mind, one minute you're saying its too >>>> good to be true and the next your making an apology for saying >>>> that. >>>> >>>> I can only speak for Siri in Australia and the information I have >>>> states that any limitations on the system will be lifted in >>>> November, November has 30 days and we're not even into the month yet >>>> so we may have a while to wait. >>>> >>>> The system can't be that limited here, I've mentioned that I'm >>>> following a couple of people on Twitter in Australia who say that >>>> Siri has "Changed Their Lives", whether they're using "turn-by-turn" >>>> features of Siri I'm not sure but I'll make a point of asking them. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 31/10/2011, at 7:06 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: >>>> >>>>> I hear it's limited here in the UK. I think this is why I said what >>>>> I said about Siri being too good to be true. It may work perfectly >>>>> over in the US and no doubt other countries, but I hear it is >>>>> limited here in the UK. >>>>> >>>>> On 30/10/2011 20:04, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: >>>>>> I've had an iPhone 4S for three days now. Getting Siri wasn't my >>>>>> reason for getting the phone, but I was looking forward to using it. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have to say, I'm very underwhelmed so far. OK, I accept that the >>>>>> business search feature isn't available in the UK, but it also >>>>>> told me >>>>>> that turn-by-turn wasn't available either and there's a million GPS >>>>>> apps about, so the maps exist. >>>>>> >>>>>> also, I find that not all the conversation is read out and it took me >>>>>> a bit of time waiting like an idiot before I realised I had to press >>>>>> send to send a txt. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't find the method of activation of putting the phone to your >>>>>> ear >>>>>> very consistant and find that unless I gabble out a text, only >>>>>> half of >>>>>> it is heard. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is it me? I've heard people practicly wetting themselves over Siri. >>>>>> Maybe they are more easilly pleased than I am? >>>>>> >>>>>> Jonathan >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>>>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, >>>>>> Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>> virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>> visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting the list website at: >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Tue Nov 1 08:34:34 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 08:34:34 +0000 Subject: Seri - a query about its use In-Reply-To: References: <4EADAE5C.5000505@techno-chat.net> <85A2A06A-4E56-48DE-A9C2-9882E86B992C@internode.on.net> <963B031928114EF09915F8005E3219B8@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY><1E523529-DB98-49AC-BF1D-06756C90D31B@mac-access.net> <4EADE3F6.1070604@techno-chat.net> <1B9808BA48F948989D57CC6C0B824A1F@Blossom> Message-ID: <51124443-5AE1-4629-BB35-4457C71533ED@googlemail.com> Hi i agree with this it could benafit even sighted people if they drive as they can then just press a button on there blue tooth handset and use siri although i do think they need to make it's fetures avalable in all countries as soon as possible. Ian McNamara From skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 09:18:56 2011 From: skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com (Kliphton A.M-SR) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 04:18:56 -0500 Subject: bluetooth keybboard commands In-Reply-To: <72347ED0-16CE-42C0-AF91-720A59DF92A0@mac.com> References: <5CE4EBC0-66CC-42BD-8729-4EEA3E81B5E9@gmail.com> <72347ED0-16CE-42C0-AF91-720A59DF92A0@mac.com> Message-ID: Just a quick note. The command tab to move between applications that we were able to use in IOS4 does not work on IOS5. I don't know if it's a glitch in the IOS, or if thye just chose not to put it there. But i've tried quite a few times with no go. On Oct 31, 2011, at 3:13 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Joe and Others, > > Daniel G?ransson's AxS Lab page on "iOS VoiceOver Gesture, Keyboard & Braille Shortcuts" is the best current source of Bluetooth Keyboard Commands for VO with iOS 5: > http://axslab.com/articles/ios-voiceover-gestures-and-keyboard-commands.php > > You can also use the quick URL link from your iOS device of: > axslab.com/ios-shortcuts > > This includes new iOS 5 features like item chooser menu, find and find next, and single key quick navigation options in web pages, as well as the ability to add labels to selected items among other things, along with helpful items from iOS 4.3 such as switching between recent apps with Command+Tab (or Command+Shift+Tab to keyboard switch through recent apps in the opposite direction). > > A few minor comments: > ? The Option key is always described as the "Alt" key on this page. (This is probably to make things easier for Windows users, since Mac users will recognize Control+Option and Option key combinations in editing.) > ? VO-H-H is described as "Open/close multitask pane". While this description of functionality is correct, most iOS VoiceOver users will recognize this as the "AppSwitcher", which is what VoiceOver announces when you use this shortcut or double-click the "Home" button. > ? Under the Text Field Commands I would add Cmd+Up arrow and Cmd+Down arrow to move to the beginning or end of the text. > ? The F-key functions listed under "Other Keyboard Action" are specific to the Apple Wireless Keyboard, although a few manufacturer's models have emulated this. However, the other actions like Cmd+Space to change the input language keyboard (if you have set up the option for multiple input keyboards in either your Settings > General > Keyboard > International Keyboards or Settings > General > International > Keyboards menu) works generally, provided you have a keyboard with a Command key or Windows key. > ? The Command-Tab and Command-Shift-Tab app switching, which dates from iOS 4.2, I think, only works between apps that are in the AppSwitcher, which records your "Recently used" apps, whether these are active or not. If you delete apps from the AppSwitcher window, you will not be able to switch to them with Command-Tab. I know that many people clear off apps from the AppSwitcher window as a way to ensure they are no longer running, but if you use an app that frees memory instead to do this, you can both stop other apps from running and still be able to switch among your recently used apps in the AppSwitcher window. If you delete apps from the AppSwitcher window, you cannot switch between them unless you activate the app again from the home screen. > ? The shortcuts also work for the iPad Keyboard Dock (if anyone has one -- this was designed for the first generation iPad, and you can also seat either an iPhone 3GS or a third generation iPod touch on the dock connector if your case permits; later models of iPhones, iPod Touches, or the iPad 2 requires that you use a docking extension cable, which is also true if you used an iPhone 3GS or 3G iPod Touch with a bulky case like the Otterbox Defender which does not permit direct docking). The iPad Keyboard Dock has slightly different options corresponding to the F-key shortcuts, and also a dedicated "Home" key on the top row. > ? This set of shortcuts was based on the Apple Wireless Keyboard. If you have another model Bluetooth keyboard that you want to check out for existing shortcuts, after the keyboard is paired you can enter keyboard help mode by pressing Control+Option+K. Key combinations that you type will be announced but not executed until you exit keyboard help mode by pressing the Escape key. (On the iPad Keyboard Dock pressing the key in the top left corner, which is in the same position as the Escape key on the Apple Wireless Keyboard, will exit this mode, even though it is not announced as an escape key.) > ? If you have a third party Bluetooth keyboard that does not have either a Control and/or Option key, you can still check out which of the shortcut combinations work on your keyboard. After pairing your keyboard to your iOS device, use touch screen gestures to navigate to Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver (which includes double tapping on "VoiceOver" in the last step). On the VoiceOver screen, navigate to the "VoiceOver Practice" button and double tap. This effectively places your paired Bluetooth keyboard into keyboard help mode, even if you do not have either a Control or Option key on your keyboard. You can exit this mode either by pressing an escape key on your keyboard, or by going to the touch screen on your iOS device and double tapping the "Done" button in the top right corner of the screen. You'll probably at least be able to learn QuickNav controls, and rotor controls this way. > ? Another way to learn the keys is to pair your Bluetooth keyboard to a Mac, and use the Mac keyboard to enter keyboard help mode by pressing Control+Option K. Then move to your third party keyboard that is paired with Bluetooth to your Mac and explore the shortcut key combinations, and exit keyboard help mode by pressing the escape key on your Mac keyboard, if there is no escape key on your third party Bluetooth keyboard. > > This method is slightly less reliable than activating keyboard help on your iOS device with the "VoiceOver Practice" button under Settings, mainly because the OS X and iOS operating systems still have some differences. So Fn-key combinations will work when paired to your Mac (like Fn+Delete to forward delete a character in text mode), but they will not work on your iOS device. Also, some of the combinations that are announced when paired to your Mac may work, but not be pronounced under iOS in the current version. If I type the combination for the Greek symbol for "pi" (i.e., 3.1416) or a summation sign, under iOS VoiceOver will just say "Unpronounceable" in keyboard help mode, even though it will type the character correctly. And it won't say anything when it encounters that character in text on your iOS device. > > ? All the Option-key shortcuts for typing accented text and special symbols seem to work as they do on the Mac, with the proviso that some special character combinations may still not be voiced on the iOS screen. So if you want to type accented name or word combinations, or symbols for currency etc, without switching to another input language keyboard you can do so. Check my post in the mac-access archives on "Special Symbols and Characters on the regular Mac Keyboard (current master list)": > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/2011-May/012345.html > This appears correct for iOS 5, with the exception that "middle dot" under the Math and Greek character symbols is now voiced, and what VoiceOver announces for some of the punctuation marks has been shortened (e.g. "left double arrow" instead of "left pointing double angle quotation mark"). > > For the accent key combinations, see Colin's earlier repost in the mac-access archives on "Shortcut keys for adding accented letters and symbols": > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/2011-May/012308.html > > HTH. And I'm not sure how the upcoming reorganization of the mac-access list domain will affect the link addresses to the older archive posts. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Oct 31, 2011, at 05:30, Joe Quinn wrote: > >> anyhone know where to get a list of the key commands for VO, using the blluetooth keyboard on IOS? thanks! i heard there's new ones, so... :) >> >> Sent from my iPhone > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 09:33:08 2011 From: skhleirpehctcoens7284 at gmail.com (Kliphton A.M-SR) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 04:33:08 -0500 Subject: accessible radio app for the mac? In-Reply-To: <28378FBB-F4CC-4846-8937-C77D5E8DC795@mac-access.net> References: <3A0FE135-0941-415F-BF08-C06DD58C258B@mac-access.net> <8020F2B8-979B-4C03-97F3-3020D5EFDA70@internode.on.net> <28378FBB-F4CC-4846-8937-C77D5E8DC795@mac-access.net> Message-ID: There is a app called radio line. 100 percent vo accessible, and worth the 10 bucks. On Nov 1, 2011, at 12:18 AM, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: > I don't think you can use Itunes in that way, I mean I can't see a search edit field to search for specific stations. Anyway, I would like an alternative to Itunes because some of the stations I listen to for some reason do not work when using iTunes. So if anyone knows of a good accessible radio app for the mac, I would be grateful. Maybe something similar to tune in radio for IOS devices would be cool if at all there is such program available for the mac. > > Take care all, > > Lyn, Canelle & Epi > > On Oct 30, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Can you use say Itunes to bring up the radio station you want and play it? >> >> >> On 31/10/2011, at 7:48 AM, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: >> >>> Hello listers, >>> Does anyone know of an accessible radio app for the mac other than iTunes? I once tried radium but I was not too impressed with it. Unless I missed something, I was unable to browse through stations. The only way I could listen to a station is to type its name or some criteria in the search field. I wonder if there is an app that will let you browse through stations, categories and such. >>> >>> Thanks for any feedback. >>> >>> Lyn, Canelle & Epi >>> >>> ********** >>> You can contact me in the following ways: >>> email: >>> helianthe at mac-access.net >>> msn: >>> lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com >>> skype: >>> micky-mac2010 >>> facebook: >>> www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 >>> Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > ********** > You can contact me in the following ways: > email: > helianthe at mac-access.net > msn: > lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com > skype: > micky-mac2010 > facebook: > www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 > Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Tue Nov 1 10:14:47 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 10:14:47 +0000 Subject: Seri - a query about its use In-Reply-To: <51124443-5AE1-4629-BB35-4457C71533ED@googlemail.com> References: <4EADAE5C.5000505@techno-chat.net> <85A2A06A-4E56-48DE-A9C2-9882E86B992C@internode.on.net> <963B031928114EF09915F8005E3219B8@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY><1E523529-DB98-49AC-BF1D-06756C90D31B@mac-access.net> <4EADE3F6.1070604@techno-chat.net> <1B9808BA48F948989D57CC6C0B824A1F@Blossom> <51124443-5AE1-4629-BB35-4457C71533ED@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4EAFC697.9000508@techno-chat.net> Agreed on that mate. On 01/11/2011 08:34, Ian McNamara wrote: > Hi i agree with this it could benafit even sighted people if they drive as they can then just press a button on there blue tooth handset and use siri although i do think they need to make it's fetures avalable in all countries as soon as possible. > > Ian McNamara > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Tue Nov 1 10:19:21 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 10:19:21 +0000 Subject: Seri - a query about its use In-Reply-To: <4EAFC697.9000508@techno-chat.net> References: <4EADAE5C.5000505@techno-chat.net> <85A2A06A-4E56-48DE-A9C2-9882E86B992C@internode.on.net> <963B031928114EF09915F8005E3219B8@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY><1E523529-DB98-49AC-BF1D-06756C90D31B@mac-access.net> <4EADE3F6.1070604@techno-chat.net> <1B9808BA48F948989D57CC6C0B824A1F@Blossom> <51124443-5AE1-4629-BB35-4457C71533ED@googlemail.com> <4EAFC697.9000508@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <11B4BA83-9374-495E-834B-A1894917AA1E@googlemail.com> I have to say i may go to the apple store next time i'm near there and play with an iphone four s to test siri out. i'd like to see it in action for my self. Ian McNamara From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Tue Nov 1 11:31:13 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 08:31:13 -0300 Subject: accessible radio app for the mac? References: <3A0FE135-0941-415F-BF08-C06DD58C258B@mac-access.net> <8020F2B8-979B-4C03-97F3-3020D5EFDA70@internode.on.net> <28378FBB-F4CC-4846-8937-C77D5E8DC795@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi: I am unable to track down this "Radio Line" anywhere. Any thoughts? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kliphton A.M-SR" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 6:33 AM Subject: Re: accessible radio app for the mac? > There is a app called radio line. 100 percent vo accessible, and worth > the 10 bucks. > On Nov 1, 2011, at 12:18 AM, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: > >> I don't think you can use Itunes in that way, I mean I can't see a search >> edit field to search for specific stations. Anyway, I would like an >> alternative to Itunes because some of the stations I listen to for some >> reason do not work when using iTunes. So if anyone knows of a good >> accessible radio app for the mac, I would be grateful. Maybe something >> similar to tune in radio for IOS devices would be cool if at all there is >> such program available for the mac. >> >> Take care all, >> >> Lyn, Canelle & Epi >> >> On Oct 30, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Can you use say Itunes to bring up the radio station you want and play >>> it? >>> >>> >>> On 31/10/2011, at 7:48 AM, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: >>> >>>> Hello listers, >>>> Does anyone know of an accessible radio app for the mac other than >>>> iTunes? I once tried radium but I was not too impressed with it. >>>> Unless I missed something, I was unable to browse through stations. >>>> The only way I could listen to a station is to type its name or some >>>> criteria in the search field. I wonder if there is an app that will let >>>> you browse through stations, categories and such. >>>> >>>> Thanks for any feedback. >>>> >>>> Lyn, Canelle & Epi >>>> >>>> ********** >>>> You can contact me in the following ways: >>>> email: >>>> helianthe at mac-access.net >>>> msn: >>>> lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com >>>> skype: >>>> micky-mac2010 >>>> facebook: >>>> www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 >>>> Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> ********** >> You can contact me in the following ways: >> email: >> helianthe at mac-access.net >> msn: >> lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com >> skype: >> micky-mac2010 >> facebook: >> www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 >> Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Tue Nov 1 11:38:47 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 11:38:47 +0000 Subject: Personal Hotspot via USB Message-ID: <4EAFDA47.4070106@techno-chat.net> I have made an amazing discovery on my iPhone 4 this morning. Because I have enabled Personal Hotspot, as soon as I connect my iPhone 4 to the computer via USB, it creates an ethernet connection which means you can use your mobile data or 3g connection to access the internet from your computer. This is pretty slick, and is certainly ideal if you have a fair amount of data in your plan. I have 500 mb to use per month, costing ?6 a month. Personal Hotspot is included in the contract. They call it internet tethering but it is basically the same. I'm actually using it right now to send this message. This was a purely accidental discovery as I saw in the status bar, "personal hotspot, 1 connection", and I was like, "what the hell? Lol!". From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Nov 1 12:13:48 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 12:13:48 +0000 Subject: Seri - a query about its use In-Reply-To: <4EAFC697.9000508@techno-chat.net> References: <4EADAE5C.5000505@techno-chat.net> <85A2A06A-4E56-48DE-A9C2-9882E86B992C@internode.on.net> <963B031928114EF09915F8005E3219B8@YOURZ8KUJVJGKY><1E523529-DB98-49AC-BF1D-06756C90D31B@mac-access.net> <4EADE3F6.1070604@techno-chat.net> <1B9808BA48F948989D57CC6C0B824A1F@Blossom> <51124443-5AE1-4629-BB35-4457C71533ED@googlemail.com> <4EAFC697.9000508@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: Hmm, UIs for driving are a different ball of wax. You have to take into account the cognitive load placed on the user by driving, and interacting with the device. Unfortunately it's not just a case of "press a button and speak to the device", as this type of interaction is very different from standard conversation. On 1 Nov 2011, at 10:14, chris hallsworth wrote: > Agreed on that mate. > > On 01/11/2011 08:34, Ian McNamara wrote: >> Hi i agree with this it could benafit even sighted people if they drive as they can then just press a button on there blue tooth handset and use siri although i do think they need to make it's fetures avalable in all countries as soon as possible. >> >> Ian McNamara >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From anne at anarchie.org.uk Tue Nov 1 13:12:01 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 14:12:01 +0100 Subject: indepth guide on using Pages with VO? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Jonathan, As far as I know, there is no relatively comprehensive guide to using Pages with VoiceOver We provide training for Pages via Skype, and we provide support materials. However, it would take quite a lot of work to create a good manual from our existing materials, and time is at a premium right now. Cheers, Anne On 31 Oct 2011, at 20:04, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > Is there such a thing as an in-depth gide on creating documents using > Pages as a VoiceOver user? > > If not, would you be willing to pay for such a thing and how much > would you be willing to pay? > > Jonathan > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From weavermicha at googlemail.com Tue Nov 1 13:50:55 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 13:50:55 +0000 Subject: applications in growl Message-ID: <4eaff765.9e62e30a.67bd.ffff80ef@mx.google.com> i downgraded growl to a less current version but all i can see in the apps under settings is the growl app itself. no other app appears to show up and i can't find a single way of adding apps such as skype. From gunn at tznet.com Tue Nov 1 13:54:19 2011 From: gunn at tznet.com (gunn at tznet.com) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 09:54:19 -0400 Subject: applications in growl Message-ID: <380-220111121135419712@M2W120.mail2web.com> Hello Michael: To add Skype, you need to go to system preferences and you should be able to see Growel in there. John Original Message: ----------------- From: michael weaver weavermicha at googlemail.com Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 13:50:55 +0000 To: mac-access at mac-access.net Subject: applications in growl i downgraded growl to a less current version but all i can see in the apps under settings is the growl app itself. no other app appears to show up and i can't find a single way of adding apps such as skype. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk Tue Nov 1 13:55:59 2011 From: harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk (Ian Harrison) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:55:59 +0000 Subject: Speakers with airport express Message-ID: Hi, I have just invested in an airport express, which has a 3.5 mm output I think. Could I ask for recommendations on a single or 2.0 speaker to plug in. It will be for music more than anything. Thanks in advance Ian From weavermicha at googlemail.com Tue Nov 1 14:29:41 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 14:29:41 +0000 Subject: applications in growl Message-ID: <4eb0007b.10c5e30a.74de.ffff89e5@mx.google.com> i went to the growl button under system preferences, pressed space on it and i see the applications tab etc only when i go to the application tab i only see growl listed, no skype or anything else and the buttons to configure and remove. > ----- Original Message ----- >From: "gunn at tznet.com" To: mac-access at mac-access.net >Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 09:54:19 -0400 >Subject: RE: applications in growl >Hello Michael: >To add Skype, you need to go to system preferences and you should be able >to see Growel in there. >John >Original Message: >----------------- >From: michael weaver weavermicha at googlemail.com >Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 13:50:55 +0000 >To: mac-access at mac-access.net >Subject: applications in growl >i downgraded growl to a less current version but all i can see in >the apps under settings is the growl app itself. >no other app appears to show up and i can't find a single way of >adding apps such as skype. ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net >You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >or at the public Mail Archive: >. >Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >and worm-free! >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >the list website at: >----------------------------------------------------------------- --- >mail2web - Check your email from the web at >http://mail2web.com/ . ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- >To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >or at the public Mail Archive: >. >Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Hello All, You may find the fibo all-in-one bookmarks too useful. It is on the Mac app store for ?1.50. It lets you create bookmarks for frequently accessed web pages, files and folders, address book entries, iTunes items, and Apple Mail items. these are optionally sorted by type and within type you can sort by name or date added or frequency of access. It is a bit difficult to access the tool in the first place as its access icon is in the inaccessible part of the menu bar. However it can be accessed using a mouse or trackpad. Once you have got into the tool it is accessible by VoiceOver and in particular you can define shortcut keys to access preferences, add a new bookmark to the active window, and access the list of bookmarks. Once you have set up these shortcut keys the tool is easy to use. It is not immediately obvious how to define the above shortcut keys but once you know it is easy. The tool has a couple of idiosyncrasies (bugs?) but once you are aware of these it works fine. Please contact me off list if you are interested in more detail on how to access and use the tool. Best regards.... Paul Hopewell From helianthe at mac-access.net Tue Nov 1 14:41:19 2011 From: helianthe at mac-access.net (Lyn & her faithful furry friends) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:41:19 +0100 Subject: accessible radio app for the mac? In-Reply-To: References: <3A0FE135-0941-415F-BF08-C06DD58C258B@mac-access.net> <8020F2B8-979B-4C03-97F3-3020D5EFDA70@internode.on.net> <28378FBB-F4CC-4846-8937-C77D5E8DC795@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <1278AC2D-DF39-4738-A3A9-3858530AE123@mac-access.net> me neither, tried to google it and nothing came up. On Nov 1, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hi: > > I am unable to track down this "Radio Line" anywhere. > > Any thoughts? > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kliphton A.M-SR" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: accessible radio app for the mac? > > >> There is a app called radio line. 100 percent vo accessible, and worth the 10 bucks. >> On Nov 1, 2011, at 12:18 AM, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: >> >>> I don't think you can use Itunes in that way, I mean I can't see a search edit field to search for specific stations. Anyway, I would like an alternative to Itunes because some of the stations I listen to for some reason do not work when using iTunes. So if anyone knows of a good accessible radio app for the mac, I would be grateful. Maybe something similar to tune in radio for IOS devices would be cool if at all there is such program available for the mac. >>> >>> Take care all, >>> >>> Lyn, Canelle & Epi >>> >>> On Oct 30, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> Can you use say Itunes to bring up the radio station you want and play it? >>>> >>>> >>>> On 31/10/2011, at 7:48 AM, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello listers, >>>>> Does anyone know of an accessible radio app for the mac other than iTunes? I once tried radium but I was not too impressed with it. Unless I missed something, I was unable to browse through stations. The only way I could listen to a station is to type its name or some criteria in the search field. I wonder if there is an app that will let you browse through stations, categories and such. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for any feedback. >>>>> >>>>> Lyn, Canelle & Epi >>>>> >>>>> ********** >>>>> You can contact me in the following ways: >>>>> email: >>>>> helianthe at mac-access.net >>>>> msn: >>>>> lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com >>>>> skype: >>>>> micky-mac2010 >>>>> facebook: >>>>> www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 >>>>> Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> ********** >>> You can contact me in the following ways: >>> email: >>> helianthe at mac-access.net >>> msn: >>> lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com >>> skype: >>> micky-mac2010 >>> facebook: >>> www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 >>> Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ********** You can contact me in the following ways: email: helianthe at mac-access.net msn: lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com skype: micky-mac2010 facebook: www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. From helianthe at mac-access.net Tue Nov 1 14:44:24 2011 From: helianthe at mac-access.net (Lyn & her faithful furry friends) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:44:24 +0100 Subject: applications in growl In-Reply-To: <4eb0007b.10c5e30a.74de.ffff89e5@mx.google.com> References: <4eb0007b.10c5e30a.74de.ffff89e5@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Michael, I will try to get you on skype later if you are available and we could go through your skype settings if you like and see what the problem is. We could compare your settings to mine and hopefully this will help. I do not use growl to get spoken feedback on skype, I use skype's built in notification system and it does the job just fine. Lyn, Canelle & Epi On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:29 PM, michael weaver wrote: > i went to the growl button under system preferences, pressed space on it and i see the applications tab etc only when i go to the application tab i only see growl listed, no skype or anything else and the buttons to configure and remove. > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "gunn at tznet.com" > To: mac-access at mac-access.net >> Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 09:54:19 -0400 >> Subject: RE: applications in growl > >> Hello Michael: > >> To add Skype, you need to go to system preferences and you should > be able >> to see Growel in there. > >> John > > > >> Original Message: >> ----------------- >> From: michael weaver weavermicha at googlemail.com >> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 13:50:55 +0000 >> To: mac-access at mac-access.net >> Subject: applications in growl > > >> i downgraded growl to a less current version but all i can see in >> the apps under settings is the growl app itself. >> no other app appears to show up and i can't find a single way of >> adding apps such as skype. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- > >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net > >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> > or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> ml > >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! > >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting >> the list website at: >> > >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- > --- >> mail2web - Check your email from the web at >> http://mail2web.com/ . > > >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- > >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> > or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> ml > >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ********** You can contact me in the following ways: email: helianthe at mac-access.net msn: lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com skype: micky-mac2010 facebook: www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. From orin8722 at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 14:50:06 2011 From: orin8722 at gmail.com (Orin) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 10:50:06 -0400 Subject: accessible radio app for the mac? In-Reply-To: <1278AC2D-DF39-4738-A3A9-3858530AE123@mac-access.net> References: <3A0FE135-0941-415F-BF08-C06DD58C258B@mac-access.net> <8020F2B8-979B-4C03-97F3-3020D5EFDA70@internode.on.net> <28378FBB-F4CC-4846-8937-C77D5E8DC795@mac-access.net> <1278AC2D-DF39-4738-A3A9-3858530AE123@mac-access.net> Message-ID: It's probably in the Mac app store. Orin orin8722 at gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 On Nov 1, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: > me neither, tried to google it and nothing came up. > On Nov 1, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > >> Hi: >> >> I am unable to track down this "Radio Line" anywhere. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kliphton A.M-SR" >> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 6:33 AM >> Subject: Re: accessible radio app for the mac? >> >> >>> There is a app called radio line. 100 percent vo accessible, and worth the 10 bucks. >>> On Nov 1, 2011, at 12:18 AM, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: >>> >>>> I don't think you can use Itunes in that way, I mean I can't see a search edit field to search for specific stations. Anyway, I would like an alternative to Itunes because some of the stations I listen to for some reason do not work when using iTunes. So if anyone knows of a good accessible radio app for the mac, I would be grateful. Maybe something similar to tune in radio for IOS devices would be cool if at all there is such program available for the mac. >>>> >>>> Take care all, >>>> >>>> Lyn, Canelle & Epi >>>> >>>> On Oct 30, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>> >>>>> Can you use say Itunes to bring up the radio station you want and play it? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 31/10/2011, at 7:48 AM, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello listers, >>>>>> Does anyone know of an accessible radio app for the mac other than iTunes? I once tried radium but I was not too impressed with it. Unless I missed something, I was unable to browse through stations. The only way I could listen to a station is to type its name or some criteria in the search field. I wonder if there is an app that will let you browse through stations, categories and such. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for any feedback. >>>>>> >>>>>> Lyn, Canelle & Epi >>>>>> >>>>>> ********** >>>>>> You can contact me in the following ways: >>>>>> email: >>>>>> helianthe at mac-access.net >>>>>> msn: >>>>>> lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com >>>>>> skype: >>>>>> micky-mac2010 >>>>>> facebook: >>>>>> www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 >>>>>> Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. >>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> ********** >>>> You can contact me in the following ways: >>>> email: >>>> helianthe at mac-access.net >>>> msn: >>>> lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com >>>> skype: >>>> micky-mac2010 >>>> facebook: >>>> www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 >>>> Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > ********** > You can contact me in the following ways: > email: > helianthe at mac-access.net > msn: > lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com > skype: > micky-mac2010 > facebook: > www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 > Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From helianthe at mac-access.net Tue Nov 1 14:59:00 2011 From: helianthe at mac-access.net (Lyn & her faithful furry friends) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:59:00 +0100 Subject: accessible radio app for the mac? In-Reply-To: References: <3A0FE135-0941-415F-BF08-C06DD58C258B@mac-access.net> <8020F2B8-979B-4C03-97F3-3020D5EFDA70@internode.on.net> <28378FBB-F4CC-4846-8937-C77D5E8DC795@mac-access.net> <1278AC2D-DF39-4738-A3A9-3858530AE123@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <3850E5F7-DD09-4230-BCF9-63444CEE6DA0@mac-access.net> i am not too keen on getting apps from the mac app store especially paid apps because you cannot try them before buying. On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Orin wrote: > It's probably in the Mac app store. > Orin > orin8722 at gmail.com > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks > Skype: orin1112 > > > > On Nov 1, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: > >> me neither, tried to google it and nothing came up. >> On Nov 1, 2011, at 12:31 PM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: >> >>> Hi: >>> >>> I am unable to track down this "Radio Line" anywhere. >>> >>> Any thoughts? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kliphton A.M-SR" >>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 6:33 AM >>> Subject: Re: accessible radio app for the mac? >>> >>> >>>> There is a app called radio line. 100 percent vo accessible, and worth the 10 bucks. >>>> On Nov 1, 2011, at 12:18 AM, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: >>>> >>>>> I don't think you can use Itunes in that way, I mean I can't see a search edit field to search for specific stations. Anyway, I would like an alternative to Itunes because some of the stations I listen to for some reason do not work when using iTunes. So if anyone knows of a good accessible radio app for the mac, I would be grateful. Maybe something similar to tune in radio for IOS devices would be cool if at all there is such program available for the mac. >>>>> >>>>> Take care all, >>>>> >>>>> Lyn, Canelle & Epi >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 30, 2011, at 9:59 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Can you use say Itunes to bring up the radio station you want and play it? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 31/10/2011, at 7:48 AM, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello listers, >>>>>>> Does anyone know of an accessible radio app for the mac other than iTunes? I once tried radium but I was not too impressed with it. Unless I missed something, I was unable to browse through stations. The only way I could listen to a station is to type its name or some criteria in the search field. I wonder if there is an app that will let you browse through stations, categories and such. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for any feedback. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Lyn, Canelle & Epi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ********** >>>>>>> You can contact me in the following ways: >>>>>>> email: >>>>>>> helianthe at mac-access.net >>>>>>> msn: >>>>>>> lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com >>>>>>> skype: >>>>>>> micky-mac2010 >>>>>>> facebook: >>>>>>> www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 >>>>>>> Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! 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>>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> ********** >> You can contact me in the following ways: >> email: >> helianthe at mac-access.net >> msn: >> lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com >> skype: >> micky-mac2010 >> facebook: >> www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 >> Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ********** You can contact me in the following ways: email: helianthe at mac-access.net msn: lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com skype: micky-mac2010 facebook: www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. From gordonkeen at googlemail.com Tue Nov 1 15:03:04 2011 From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:03:04 +0000 Subject: FrequencyCast Show 69: Siri, the 4S and Printing | FrequencyCast UK Tech Podcast News Message-ID: Hi Here are the show notes and links ( I hope ) for this amusing but informative tech podcast, they love apple stuff so worth a trawl through the past shows too. http://www.frequencycast.co.uk/blog/2011/11/frequencycast-show-69-siri-the-4s-and-printing.html Regards G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. From weavermicha at googlemail.com Tue Nov 1 15:24:42 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 15:24:42 +0000 Subject: applications in growl Message-ID: <4eb00d61.d467e30a.34a8.ffffa461@mx.google.com> hi! got your message. i am on skype at present but if i don't catch up with you today, maybe i will sometime later. > ----- Original Message ----- >From: Lyn & her faithful furry friends To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:44:24 +0100 >Subject: Re: applications in growl >Michael, >I will try to get you on skype later if you are available and we could go through your skype settings if you like and see what the problem is. We could compare your settings to mine and hopefully this will help. I do not use growl to get spoken feedback on skype, I use skype's built in notification system and it does the job just fine. >Lyn, Canelle & Epi >On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:29 PM, michael weaver wrote: >> i went to the growl button under system preferences, pressed space on it and i see the applications tab etc only when i go to the application tab i only see growl listed, no skype or anything else and the buttons to configure and remove. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "gunn at tznet.com" >> To: mac-access at mac-access.net >>> Date sent: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 09:54:19 -0400 >>> Subject: RE: applications in growl >>> Hello Michael: >>> To add Skype, you need to go to system preferences and you should >> be able >>> to see Growel in there. >>> John >>> Original Message: >>> ----------------- >>> From: michael weaver weavermicha at googlemail.com >>> Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 13:50:55 +0000 >>> To: mac-access at mac-access.net >>> Subject: applications in growl >>> i downgraded growl to a less current version but all i can see in >>> the apps under settings is the growl app itself. >>> no other app appears to show up and i can't find a single way of >>> adding apps such as skype. >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum >>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> > ml >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, >> Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting >>> the list website at: >>> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >>> mail2web - Check your email from the web at >>> http://mail2web.com/ . >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the >> Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> > ml >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, >> Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >>> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> > or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> ********** >You can contact me in the following ways: >email: >helianthe at mac-access.net >msn: >lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com >skype: >micky-mac2010 >facebook: >www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 >Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- >To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >or at the public Mail Archive: >. >Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > References: <31F7C425-4EDD-4F0D-8088-38449F449536@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: and how do you access those parts of the menu bar if you are using lion? They took that away so for us it is compleatly inaccessibil. The app sounds neat and I might add it to my wishlist but until we can figure out how to access the status bar icons in lion wiht the trackpad we cannot use this app. On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello All, > You may find the fibo all-in-one bookmarks too useful. It is on the Mac app store for ?1.50. It lets you create bookmarks for frequently accessed web pages, files and folders, address book entries, iTunes items, and Apple Mail items. these are optionally sorted by type and within type you can sort by name or date added or frequency of access. > > It is a bit difficult to access the tool in the first place as its access icon is in the inaccessible part of the menu bar. However it can be accessed using a mouse or trackpad. Once you have got into the tool it is accessible by VoiceOver and in particular you can define shortcut keys to access preferences, add a new bookmark to the active window, and access the list of bookmarks. Once you have set up these shortcut keys the tool is easy to use. > > It is not immediately obvious how to define the above shortcut keys but once you know it is easy. The tool has a couple of idiosyncrasies (bugs?) but once you are aware of these it works fine. > > Please contact me off list if you are interested in more detail on how to access and use the tool. > > Best regards.... > > Paul Hopewell > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk Tue Nov 1 16:37:05 2011 From: harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk (Ian Harrison) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 16:37:05 +0000 Subject: Instant messaging from Mac to Face Book etc Message-ID: <29D4D2CC-8335-4DAB-ADDD-6BC3259DDA4A@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Hi to all, can anyone suggest the best programme for chatting to a variety of instant meesengers? My lads are on face book, but I will not. One is on that other platform and one is on Mac. Thanks in advance Ian From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Tue Nov 1 16:39:00 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 16:39:00 +0000 Subject: Applications and growl Message-ID: Hello Michael, I have growl 1.2.2 installed and my application table lists growl, get iplayer automator, 1 password, and quickeys. Applications have to be launched to connect to growl so you generally have to launch the application once for growl to know about it. Try the growl version detector tool which you can download free from the growl web site. This scans your installed applications and lists those which contain growl support and indicates which level of growl they work with. My current version of Skype is somewhat outdated. I will upgrade it and check which level of growl it needs. All the best.... Paul Hopewell From helianthe at mac-access.net Tue Nov 1 16:45:01 2011 From: helianthe at mac-access.net (Lyn & her faithful furry friends) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 17:45:01 +0100 Subject: Instant messaging from Mac to Face Book etc In-Reply-To: <29D4D2CC-8335-4DAB-ADDD-6BC3259DDA4A@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> References: <29D4D2CC-8335-4DAB-ADDD-6BC3259DDA4A@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: I think Adium will do what you want; it's a multi chat client that lets you chat with people on msn, facebook, and others. I use this client for msn and facebook chat. Lyn, Canelle & Epi On Nov 1, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Ian Harrison wrote: > Hi to all, > > can anyone suggest the best programme for chatting to a variety of instant meesengers? > > My lads are on face book, but I will not. One is on that other platform and one is on Mac. > > Thanks in advance > Ian > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ********** You can contact me in the following ways: email: helianthe at mac-access.net msn: lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com skype: micky-mac2010 facebook: www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. From helianthe at mac-access.net Tue Nov 1 16:47:15 2011 From: helianthe at mac-access.net (Lyn & her faithful furry friends) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 17:47:15 +0100 Subject: Instant messaging from Mac to Face Book etc In-Reply-To: <29D4D2CC-8335-4DAB-ADDD-6BC3259DDA4A@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> References: <29D4D2CC-8335-4DAB-ADDD-6BC3259DDA4A@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: I forgot to say that if you wish to use this client, you'll need an account on whatever service you wish to use it with. On Nov 1, 2011, at 5:37 PM, Ian Harrison wrote: > Hi to all, > > can anyone suggest the best programme for chatting to a variety of instant meesengers? > > My lads are on face book, but I will not. One is on that other platform and one is on Mac. > > Thanks in advance > Ian > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ********** You can contact me in the following ways: email: helianthe at mac-access.net msn: lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com skype: micky-mac2010 facebook: www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. From lyewchan at telus.net Tue Nov 1 16:51:18 2011 From: lyewchan at telus.net (Lovette Yewchan) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 09:51:18 -0700 Subject: Applications and growl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What is this prgram you are talking about and what does it do with applications? THanks Lovette On 2011-11-01, at 9:39 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello Michael, > I have growl 1.2.2 installed and my application table lists growl, get iplayer automator, 1 password, and quickeys. > Applications have to be launched to connect to growl so you generally have to launch the application once for growl to know about it. > Try the growl version detector tool which you can download free from the growl web site. This scans your installed applications and lists those which contain growl support and indicates which level of growl they work with. > My current version of Skype is somewhat outdated. I will upgrade it and check which level of growl it needs. > All the best.... > > Paul Hopewell > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Tue Nov 1 16:52:14 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 16:52:14 +0000 Subject: Instant messaging from Mac to Face Book etc In-Reply-To: References: <29D4D2CC-8335-4DAB-ADDD-6BC3259DDA4A@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <631F9202-128C-4B67-8C5C-DEF1497419F2@googlemail.com> Hi yep lynn is right adium is probly your best one how ever be aware to set it up on facebook you have to set it up as a jaber account which you will need a facebook user name for you set that up by going on yoru profile or account page on facebook. adium is very accessable. Ian McNamara From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Nov 1 17:09:05 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 04:09:05 +1100 Subject: Speakers with airport express In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EB027B1.3040500@internode.on.net> Speakers come in all shapes and sizes and you don't have to spend a fortune of some very nice sounding speakers nowadays, a pair of computer speakers say for $40.00 can do a surprisingly good job. My personal view is that - given your Airport Express has a digital output through the 3.5MM jack as well as analogue - I'd want to make the best of that if I could by using a device with a digital input, sam an amp with a pair of reasonable speakers. Just our of curiosity, have you plugged a set of headphones into your Airport Express and heard the sound through those? I do that here from time to time, sounds absolutely brilliant. On 2/11/2011 12:55 AM, Ian Harrison wrote: > Hi, > > I have just invested in an airport express, which has a 3.5 mm output I think. > > Could I ask for recommendations on a single or 2.0 speaker to plug in. It will be for music more than anything. > > Thanks in advance > Ian > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia skype callto:grtdane12 MSN: grtdane at dane-trethowan.net From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Tue Nov 1 17:16:02 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 17:16:02 +0000 Subject: Garage Band for iPhone Message-ID: <4EB02952.9000700@techno-chat.net> I have just heard on Twitter that Apple has updated their Garage Band app to work with the iPhone and the iPod Touch. I would love to hear your comments on the app. I used to be an amateur musician, and it would be so cool to have fun with music on the iPhone. All comments positive and negative are very welcome indeed. From moriond at mac.com Tue Nov 1 18:29:31 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 08:29:31 -1000 Subject: Spliting a large MP3 file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <193DB50D-66D0-4727-AC7D-0D16186CC07A@mac.com> Hi Paul, This is late reply, but I believe that you have Amadeus Pro, and that sound editing program allows you to set markers and split your audio files on the marker positions. A common use is to set markers where there is a silence interval of some minimal size, and then split at those locations. I haven't done this in quite a while, but I used this to split off songs in some cassette tapes that I digitized. You can also set the markers to be at fixed intervals, regardless of whether there is silence there, or adjust them before you split. So you could set this up to 10 minute intervals. There are probably dedicated mp3 splitter programs around, too. I assume that simply making the MP3 files bookmarkable (by changing Media Kind from Music to Book, and checking "Remember playback position" on the Options tab when you select the tracks and do a Command-I for "Get Info" is not enough? If you transform the audiobook files into AAC format, then you can use programs like Audiobook Builder by Splasm ($5.99 in the App Store) or Audiobook Binder by Bluezbox Software (also in the App Store, freeware, with slightly less features I think) to create single, long audiobook files with chapter markers. The only drawback is if you want to use the same files in MP3 format -- perhaps because you also sometimes use them on an MP3 player. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Oct 29, 2011, at 10:33, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello, > Is there a low cost way on Lion to split a large MP3 file into several smaller MP3 files? > > I am experimenting with the service menu option on most applications to save the selection as an audio track on itunes. I can thereby use my iPod Nano G6 to read long documents away from my iMac. However through careless iPod operation I sometimes loose my place in a large MP3 file. So it would be nice if I could split such a large file into say several smaller files each say 10 minutes long. > > Is there any way to do that on Lion? > > Many thanks. > > Paul Hopewell From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Nov 1 18:31:44 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 18:31:44 +0000 Subject: follow requests and yorofukuru Message-ID: <9FD1332D-544C-47AA-B28F-D19768781724@computing.dcu.ie> Folks, Anyone else having problems posting follow requests from the app named in the subject line? All other tweets are going through. Cheers. D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Nov 1 18:38:52 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 14:38:52 -0400 Subject: accessible radio app for the mac? In-Reply-To: <3A0FE135-0941-415F-BF08-C06DD58C258B@mac-access.net> References: <3A0FE135-0941-415F-BF08-C06DD58C258B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Aol Radio is 100 percent accessible, and has never given me any trouble. Admittedly, it's aol, and there's probably loads of stations it doesn't carry, but it's easy enough to browse through the ones they have, and even bookmark the top five you want to have at all times. The button labels even change to the name of the station you bookmarked them with, so that vo will read the name of the station, instead of button, or empty station (I forget what it says now, it's been a while since I didn't have all the buttons filled) You can find it at: http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/19609/aol-radio The version I have is 1.1 (105) so your mileage may vary. hth. From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Nov 1 18:41:22 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 18:41:22 +0000 Subject: follow requests and yorofukuru In-Reply-To: <9FD1332D-544C-47AA-B28F-D19768781724@computing.dcu.ie> References: <9FD1332D-544C-47AA-B28F-D19768781724@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: follow up to this. Seems the follow requests are going through, but the "cannot post tweet" message also gets displayed. very strange. On 1 Nov 2011, at 18:31, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Folks, > > Anyone else having problems posting follow requests from the app named in the subject line? All other tweets are going through. > > Cheers. > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 19:10:38 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 12:10:38 -0700 Subject: iOS 5 Shortcut Feature Enables A Hilarious Prank Message-ID: On the lighter side of things here's a good prank you can play on someone using ios5. I do urge you to do this with care though and I myself will not take part in this. I find the keyboard shortcuts convenient even though I use a bt keyboard. I can just put a few letters and a full sentence I say often will come up. http://onj.me/1lb here ithe article in full that I accidently coppied. lol! The iOS 5 Shortcut feature buried within the keyboard settings is useful if often overlooked, but oh wow is it a great way to prank your friends. Everything has changed. Passcode your phone before someone gets you. We get it, shortcuts are supposed to be a handy way to make the iPhone's auto-correct work for you. Instead of typing out your address every time you want to send it to someone you can simply set up a shortcut so that "myaddress" always auto-corrects to "767 Fifth Avenue, New York, NY." Neat! But thank you mighty and powerful programmers at Apple for giving us the most outstanding iPhone prank yet. Get a hold of your buddy's phone and your can configure their keyboard to say whatever you want. Change the word "home" to "strip club" and suddenly your co-worker lost his bonus! Change "bed" to "bed with someone else" and suddenly your roommate's girlfriend is pissed at him! So many possibilities. OK, so maybe you shouldn't use prank for evil, but it's just soooo tempting. [ From helianthe at mac-access.net Tue Nov 1 19:28:20 2011 From: helianthe at mac-access.net (Lyn & her faithful furry friends) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:28:20 +0100 Subject: accessible radio app for the mac? In-Reply-To: References: <3A0FE135-0941-415F-BF08-C06DD58C258B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6E7EF217-9246-4798-9A27-B7EC03779F90@mac-access.net> thanks Travis, will give this one a shot. On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > Aol Radio is 100 percent accessible, and has never given me any trouble. Admittedly, it's aol, and there's probably loads of stations it doesn't carry, but it's easy enough to browse through the ones they have, and even bookmark the top five you want to have at all times. The button labels even change to the name of the station you bookmarked them with, so that vo will read the name of the station, instead of button, or empty station (I forget what it says now, it's been a while since I didn't have all the buttons filled) You can find it at: > http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/19609/aol-radio > The version I have is 1.1 (105) so your mileage may vary. > hth. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ********** You can contact me in the following ways: email: helianthe at mac-access.net msn: lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com skype: micky-mac2010 facebook: www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Tue Nov 1 20:02:51 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 20:02:51 +0000 Subject: Problem with Audioboo, can anyone duplicate? Message-ID: <4EB0506B.8070509@techno-chat.net> Hello all. Please can you try and duplicate the following. 1. Download and install the free Audioboo app on your iPhone. 2. Launch it and double tap record. 3. Double tap start recording. 4. From this point on everything including VoiceOver comes out the earpiece. If you however restart the iPhone sounds return to the speaker. I am not having this problem on my iPod Touch, but I am on my iPhone 4. This is pretty disturbing, as I thought I completely lost speech! So I put it to my ear, and there was VoiceOver as well as other sounds! If you can duplicate the above, this would be greatly appreciated. I have for now deleted the app. Thank you very much. Chat soon. From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 20:14:41 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:14:41 -0700 Subject: Problem with Audioboo, can anyone duplicate? In-Reply-To: <4EB0506B.8070509@techno-chat.net> References: <4EB0506B.8070509@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: It's not a bug. It's a feature. and has been around since it first launched when ever that was. I personally like it as I don't have to hear vo while I'm trying to speak. On Nov 1, 2011, at 1:02 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > Hello all. > Please can you try and duplicate the following. > 1. Download and install the free Audioboo app on your iPhone. > 2. Launch it and double tap record. > 3. Double tap start recording. > 4. From this point on everything including VoiceOver comes out the earpiece. If you however restart the iPhone sounds return to the speaker. > I am not having this problem on my iPod Touch, but I am on my iPhone 4. This is pretty disturbing, as I thought I completely lost speech! So I put it to my ear, and there was VoiceOver as well as other sounds! > If you can duplicate the above, this would be greatly appreciated. I have for now deleted the app. > Thank you very much. > Chat soon. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 20:15:45 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:15:45 -0700 Subject: follow requests and yorofukuru In-Reply-To: <9FD1332D-544C-47AA-B28F-D19768781724@computing.dcu.ie> References: <9FD1332D-544C-47AA-B28F-D19768781724@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <60F8E49B-23C7-4C3D-9763-3EBAC8CB1985@gmail.com> Nope. I can post them fine. The reason they will appear like they are not going through as they are not a true tweet. you can check to see if you did it right by hitting cmd l and checking your follow list. On Nov 1, 2011, at 11:31 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Folks, > > Anyone else having problems posting follow requests from the app named in the subject line? All other tweets are going through. > > Cheers. > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Nov 1 20:26:09 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:26:09 +0000 Subject: follow requests and yorofukuru In-Reply-To: <60F8E49B-23C7-4C3D-9763-3EBAC8CB1985@gmail.com> References: <9FD1332D-544C-47AA-B28F-D19768781724@computing.dcu.ie> <60F8E49B-23C7-4C3D-9763-3EBAC8CB1985@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7F23BCA8-F4C0-4323-8938-936DB7E5716A@computing.dcu.ie> Yep I realised after the original post that they were going through. However, that "cannot post tweet" error used not to be shown. On 1 Nov 2011, at 20:15, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Nope. I can post them fine. The reason they will appear like they are not going through as they are not a true tweet. you can check to see if you did it right by hitting cmd l and checking your follow list. > On Nov 1, 2011, at 11:31 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> Anyone else having problems posting follow requests from the app named in the subject line? All other tweets are going through. >> >> Cheers. >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Nov 1 20:25:14 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:25:14 +0000 Subject: follow requests and yorofukuru In-Reply-To: <60F8E49B-23C7-4C3D-9763-3EBAC8CB1985@gmail.com> References: <9FD1332D-544C-47AA-B28F-D19768781724@computing.dcu.ie> <60F8E49B-23C7-4C3D-9763-3EBAC8CB1985@gmail.com> Message-ID: <23847C47-0968-487D-8043-6592D581E221@computing.dcu.ie> Yep I realised after the original post that they were going through. However, that "cannot post tweet" error used not to be shown. On 1 Nov 2011, at 20:15, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Nope. I can post them fine. The reason they will appear like they are not going through as they are not a true tweet. you can check to see if you did it right by hitting cmd l and checking your follow list. > On Nov 1, 2011, at 11:31 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> Anyone else having problems posting follow requests from the app named in the subject line? All other tweets are going through. >> >> Cheers. >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 20:49:07 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 13:49:07 -0700 Subject: iOS facebook app question: how to block an app Message-ID: <7749A177-7FDC-4A3A-9275-0DB2E100E7D0@gmail.com> Hello to all. I got some requests I want to block but when I try and block said requests i see 2 unlabeled buttons at the bottom of the screen and am not sure which one is the deny button. These are farmvill requests that people are sending me and I want to put a stop to this as soon as I can. Thanks all. From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 21:07:12 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 14:07:12 -0700 Subject: follow requests and yorofukuru In-Reply-To: <7F23BCA8-F4C0-4323-8938-936DB7E5716A@computing.dcu.ie> References: <9FD1332D-544C-47AA-B28F-D19768781724@computing.dcu.ie> <60F8E49B-23C7-4C3D-9763-3EBAC8CB1985@gmail.com> <7F23BCA8-F4C0-4323-8938-936DB7E5716A@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: I don't even get that error message when I sen dfollow requests. I wonder if the twitter api is about to break again. On Nov 1, 2011, at 1:26 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Yep I realised after the original post that they were going through. However, that "cannot post tweet" error used not to be shown. > On 1 Nov 2011, at 20:15, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Nope. I can post them fine. The reason they will appear like they are not going through as they are not a true tweet. you can check to see if you did it right by hitting cmd l and checking your follow list. >> On Nov 1, 2011, at 11:31 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Folks, >>> >>> Anyone else having problems posting follow requests from the app named in the subject line? All other tweets are going through. >>> >>> Cheers. >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Tue Nov 1 21:08:09 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 14:08:09 -0700 Subject: accessible radio app for the mac? In-Reply-To: <6E7EF217-9246-4798-9A27-B7EC03779F90@mac-access.net> References: <3A0FE135-0941-415F-BF08-C06DD58C258B@mac-access.net> <6E7EF217-9246-4798-9A27-B7EC03779F90@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <580CB290-AF2A-4F75-9A7A-EC3F417DA703@q.com> Hi, Of course I don't know what types of stations you're looking for, but there is a huge amount of stations already right in iTunes. Just go to the radian category in the sources table in iTunes and check them out! I only mention this because for a long time, I didn't even know they were there! :) Desi On Nov 1, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: > thanks Travis, will give this one a shot. > On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > >> Aol Radio is 100 percent accessible, and has never given me any trouble. Admittedly, it's aol, and there's probably loads of stations it doesn't carry, but it's easy enough to browse through the ones they have, and even bookmark the top five you want to have at all times. The button labels even change to the name of the station you bookmarked them with, so that vo will read the name of the station, instead of button, or empty station (I forget what it says now, it's been a while since I didn't have all the buttons filled) You can find it at: >> http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/19609/aol-radio >> The version I have is 1.1 (105) so your mileage may vary. >> hth. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > ********** > You can contact me in the following ways: > email: > helianthe at mac-access.net > msn: > lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com > skype: > micky-mac2010 > facebook: > www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 > Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From helianthe at mac-access.net Tue Nov 1 21:19:41 2011 From: helianthe at mac-access.net (Lyn & her faithful furry friends) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:19:41 +0100 Subject: accessible radio app for the mac? In-Reply-To: <580CB290-AF2A-4F75-9A7A-EC3F417DA703@q.com> References: <3A0FE135-0941-415F-BF08-C06DD58C258B@mac-access.net> <6E7EF217-9246-4798-9A27-B7EC03779F90@mac-access.net> <580CB290-AF2A-4F75-9A7A-EC3F417DA703@q.com> Message-ID: <891DA35C-8C93-4813-8CF5-96B7EBE6902B@mac-access.net> i am looking for an itunes alternative. I know itunes has lots of stations but some of the ones i listen to do not work on iTunes and I know they stream because i can listen to them on my IOS devices. On Nov 1, 2011, at 10:08 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi, > > Of course I don't know what types of stations you're looking for, but there is a huge amount of stations already right in iTunes. Just go to the radian category in the sources table in iTunes and check them out! I only mention this because for a long time, I didn't even know they were there! :) > > Desi > > > > On Nov 1, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: > >> thanks Travis, will give this one a shot. >> On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: >> >>> Aol Radio is 100 percent accessible, and has never given me any trouble. Admittedly, it's aol, and there's probably loads of stations it doesn't carry, but it's easy enough to browse through the ones they have, and even bookmark the top five you want to have at all times. The button labels even change to the name of the station you bookmarked them with, so that vo will read the name of the station, instead of button, or empty station (I forget what it says now, it's been a while since I didn't have all the buttons filled) You can find it at: >>> http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/19609/aol-radio >>> The version I have is 1.1 (105) so your mileage may vary. >>> hth. >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> ********** >> You can contact me in the following ways: >> email: >> helianthe at mac-access.net >> msn: >> lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com >> skype: >> micky-mac2010 >> facebook: >> www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 >> Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ********** You can contact me in the following ways: email: helianthe at mac-access.net msn: lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com skype: micky-mac2010 facebook: www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Tue Nov 1 22:25:27 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:25:27 +0000 Subject: fibo bookmarks tool In-Reply-To: References: <31F7C425-4EDD-4F0D-8088-38449F449536@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <45E1D116-6690-45DB-8285-8FB9A47FDADA@hopewell.org.uk> Hi Sarah, WIth patience you can access the fibo icon (and other icons) in the menu bar using the trackpad on Lion. YOU need to turn on VO cursor follows mouse pointer in the VO utility navigation section and ensure that you are set up to have VO speak what is under the mouse. You then turn trackpad commander off and hide all windows except Finder. YOU then press Control+F8 to move the VO cursor to the menu bar and then press command+control+Option+F5 to move the mouse cursor to the VO cursor. You then gently move your finger around on the trackpad and with luck you will hear VO announce the fibo icon which is to the left of the universal access item in the menu bar. When you have found that just press the trackpad to open the fibo menu. YOu can then look in the windows list (VO+F2 twice) to find the fibo menu which you can then access using VoiceOver. If you are interested in fibo I could send you my preferences file for fibo which hopefully contains the shortcut keys I have set up. IF that works you can avoid the above. All the best.... Paul Hopewell On 1 Nov 2011, at 16:30, Sarah Alawami wrote: > and how do you access those parts of the menu bar if you are using lion? They took that away so for us it is compleatly inaccessibil. > The app sounds neat and I might add it to my wishlist but until we can figure out how to access the status bar icons in lion wiht the trackpad we cannot use this app. > On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > >> Hello All, >> You may find the fibo all-in-one bookmarks too useful. It is on the Mac app store for ?1.50. It lets you create bookmarks for frequently accessed web pages, files and folders, address book entries, iTunes items, and Apple Mail items. these are optionally sorted by type and within type you can sort by name or date added or frequency of access. >> >> It is a bit difficult to access the tool in the first place as its access icon is in the inaccessible part of the menu bar. However it can be accessed using a mouse or trackpad. Once you have got into the tool it is accessible by VoiceOver and in particular you can define shortcut keys to access preferences, add a new bookmark to the active window, and access the list of bookmarks. Once you have set up these shortcut keys the tool is easy to use. >> >> It is not immediately obvious how to define the above shortcut keys but once you know it is easy. The tool has a couple of idiosyncrasies (bugs?) but once you are aware of these it works fine. >> >> Please contact me off list if you are interested in more detail on how to access and use the tool. >> >> Best regards.... >> >> Paul Hopewell >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Tue Nov 1 22:26:05 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 22:26:05 +0000 Subject: Problem with Audioboo, can anyone duplicate? In-Reply-To: References: <4EB0506B.8070509@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <4EB071FD.3040709@techno-chat.net> Ar so it's normal then. Sorry for my ignorance, I've only had my iPhone literally three days. So mistakenly thought it was a bug. On 01/11/2011 20:14, Sarah Alawami wrote: > It's not a bug. It's a feature. and has been around since it first launched when ever that was. I personally like it as I don't have to hear vo while I'm trying to speak. > On Nov 1, 2011, at 1:02 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> Hello all. >> Please can you try and duplicate the following. >> 1. Download and install the free Audioboo app on your iPhone. >> 2. Launch it and double tap record. >> 3. Double tap start recording. >> 4. From this point on everything including VoiceOver comes out the earpiece. If you however restart the iPhone sounds return to the speaker. >> I am not having this problem on my iPod Touch, but I am on my iPhone 4. This is pretty disturbing, as I thought I completely lost speech! So I put it to my ear, and there was VoiceOver as well as other sounds! >> If you can duplicate the above, this would be greatly appreciated. I have for now deleted the app. >> Thank you very much. >> Chat soon. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Tue Nov 1 22:27:16 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:27:16 +0000 Subject: iOS facebook app question: how to block an app In-Reply-To: <7749A177-7FDC-4A3A-9275-0DB2E100E7D0@gmail.com> References: <7749A177-7FDC-4A3A-9275-0DB2E100E7D0@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sarah! Which facebook are you on? Mobile or the main site? Colin On 1 Nov 2011, at 20:49, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Hello to all. I got some requests I want to block but when I try and block said requests i see 2 unlabelled buttons at the bottom of the screen and am not sure which one is the deny button. These are farmvill requests that people are sending me and I want to put a stop to this as soon as I can. > > Thanks all. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Tue Nov 1 22:31:38 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:31:38 +0000 Subject: Applications and growl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Lovette, Growl intercepts and displays notification messages issued by consenting applications. One option is to have growl speak these notifications, which you would otherwise be unaware of. Hope that helps.... Paul Hopewell On 1 Nov 2011, at 16:51, Lovette Yewchan wrote: > Lovette From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 22:34:50 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:34:50 -0700 Subject: iOS facebook app question: how to block an app In-Reply-To: References: <7749A177-7FDC-4A3A-9275-0DB2E100E7D0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1A309C3B-4E88-4FF9-A506-E32B60C52D53@gmail.com> Neither. I'm on the ios app. I don't use the sight at all. On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:27 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi Sarah! > Which facebook are you on? > Mobile or the main site? > Colin > > On 1 Nov 2011, at 20:49, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Hello to all. I got some requests I want to block but when I try and block said requests i see 2 unlabelled buttons at the bottom of the screen and am not sure which one is the deny button. These are farmvill requests that people are sending me and I want to put a stop to this as soon as I can. >> >> Thanks all. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 22:35:41 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:35:41 -0700 Subject: Problem with Audioboo, can anyone duplicate? In-Reply-To: <4EB071FD.3040709@techno-chat.net> References: <4EB0506B.8070509@techno-chat.net> <4EB071FD.3040709@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: Oops? My falt for replyign that way then. I thought for some reason you had your ios device for a few months. No that is normal. I turn vo up and it is very audable in the boo so be careful what you do on there. Just letting you know. On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:26 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > Ar so it's normal then. Sorry for my ignorance, I've only had my iPhone literally three days. So mistakenly thought it was a bug. > > On 01/11/2011 20:14, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> It's not a bug. It's a feature. and has been around since it first launched when ever that was. I personally like it as I don't have to hear vo while I'm trying to speak. >> On Nov 1, 2011, at 1:02 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: >> >>> Hello all. >>> Please can you try and duplicate the following. >>> 1. Download and install the free Audioboo app on your iPhone. >>> 2. Launch it and double tap record. >>> 3. Double tap start recording. >>> 4. From this point on everything including VoiceOver comes out the earpiece. If you however restart the iPhone sounds return to the speaker. >>> I am not having this problem on my iPod Touch, but I am on my iPhone 4. This is pretty disturbing, as I thought I completely lost speech! So I put it to my ear, and there was VoiceOver as well as other sounds! >>> If you can duplicate the above, this would be greatly appreciated. I have for now deleted the app. >>> Thank you very much. >>> Chat soon. >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 22:37:05 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:37:05 -0700 Subject: fibo bookmarks tool In-Reply-To: <45E1D116-6690-45DB-8285-8FB9A47FDADA@hopewell.org.uk> References: <31F7C425-4EDD-4F0D-8088-38449F449536@hopewell.org.uk> <45E1D116-6690-45DB-8285-8FB9A47FDADA@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <092B5148-41E5-43DC-AD60-83D0BBBE26A8@gmail.com> Actually I need to know this to access my dropbox status but I tried that I thought and heard nothign even with the speak under mouse pointwer dely set to the lowest level lol! I'll try though. On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:25 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hi Sarah, > WIth patience you can access the fibo icon (and other icons) in the menu bar using the trackpad on Lion. YOU need to turn on VO cursor follows mouse pointer in the VO utility navigation section and ensure that you are set up to have VO speak what is under the mouse. You then turn trackpad commander off and hide all windows except Finder. YOU then press Control+F8 to move the VO cursor to the menu bar and then press command+control+Option+F5 to move the mouse cursor to the VO cursor. You then gently move your finger around on the trackpad and with luck you will hear VO announce the fibo icon which is to the left of the universal access item in the menu bar. When you have found that just press the trackpad to open the fibo menu. YOu can then look in the windows list (VO+F2 twice) to find the fibo menu which you can then access using VoiceOver. > If you are interested in fibo I could send you my preferences file for fibo which hopefully contains the shortcut keys I have set up. IF that works you can avoid the above. > All the best.... > > Paul Hopewell > On 1 Nov 2011, at 16:30, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> and how do you access those parts of the menu bar if you are using lion? They took that away so for us it is compleatly inaccessibil. >> The app sounds neat and I might add it to my wishlist but until we can figure out how to access the status bar icons in lion wiht the trackpad we cannot use this app. >> On Nov 1, 2011, at 7:29 AM, Paul Hopewell wrote: >> >>> Hello All, >>> You may find the fibo all-in-one bookmarks too useful. It is on the Mac app store for ?1.50. It lets you create bookmarks for frequently accessed web pages, files and folders, address book entries, iTunes items, and Apple Mail items. these are optionally sorted by type and within type you can sort by name or date added or frequency of access. >>> >>> It is a bit difficult to access the tool in the first place as its access icon is in the inaccessible part of the menu bar. However it can be accessed using a mouse or trackpad. Once you have got into the tool it is accessible by VoiceOver and in particular you can define shortcut keys to access preferences, add a new bookmark to the active window, and access the list of bookmarks. Once you have set up these shortcut keys the tool is easy to use. >>> >>> It is not immediately obvious how to define the above shortcut keys but once you know it is easy. The tool has a couple of idiosyncrasies (bugs?) but once you are aware of these it works fine. >>> >>> Please contact me off list if you are interested in more detail on how to access and use the tool. >>> >>> Best regards.... >>> >>> Paul Hopewell >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Tue Nov 1 22:42:08 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:42:08 +0000 Subject: The current Take Control Offer Message-ID: <09F8E635-73A3-41F0-A77C-69559E0555F0@mac-access.net> Hello I thought I'd get this in before anybody approached us. I need you to be aware that the current TC offer on the two TC titles on sale this month by the publishers do not apply to our clients for the simple reason that they already receive an 80% discount which is more than the 50% discount available at the publishers. I just wanted to be clear on this point. Lynne From lyewchan at telus.net Tue Nov 1 22:42:06 2011 From: lyewchan at telus.net (Lovette Yewchan) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:42:06 -0700 Subject: Applications and growl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Oh thanks. Wow to do I have a lot to learn. I hope I've missed nothing important in emails especially for voice over. I just realized today that some subjects are not all there till I expand them. The web is still a mystery for me too as well as how to take files from my xp to mac. Lovette On 2011-11-01, at 3:31 PM, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello Lovette, > Growl intercepts and displays notification messages issued by consenting applications. One option is to have growl speak these notifications, which you would otherwise be unaware of. > Hope that helps.... > > Paul Hopewell > On 1 Nov 2011, at 16:51, Lovette Yewchan wrote: > >> Lovette > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moopiecurran at gmail.com Tue Nov 1 22:52:56 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 18:52:56 -0400 Subject: a question about universal remotes for iPods and Iphones Message-ID: Hi, I'm looking at universal remotes for the iPod touch, it says it attaches through the dock connector. But my question is, would this let me change the song without unlocking the screen? If not, why would one need a universal remote for an iPhone? Thanks, Courtney From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Tue Nov 1 23:14:01 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 23:14:01 +0000 Subject: iOS facebook app question: how to block an app In-Reply-To: <1A309C3B-4E88-4FF9-A506-E32B60C52D53@gmail.com> References: <7749A177-7FDC-4A3A-9275-0DB2E100E7D0@gmail.com> <1A309C3B-4E88-4FF9-A506-E32B60C52D53@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sarah! I'm not sure but the de nigh button might not be visible at all! So if you can log in to the main site and see if you can remove the requests from there! hth Colin On 1 Nov 2011, at 22:34, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Neither. I'm on the ios app. I don't use the sight at all. > On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:27 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > >> Hi Sarah! >> Which facebook are you on? >> Mobile or the main site? >> Colin >> >> On 1 Nov 2011, at 20:49, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> Hello to all. I got some requests I want to block but when I try and block said requests i see 2 unlabelled buttons at the bottom of the screen and am not sure which one is the deny button. These are farmvill requests that people are sending me and I want to put a stop to this as soon as I can. >>> >>> Thanks all. >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 01:08:32 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 18:08:32 -0700 Subject: iOS facebook app question: how to block an app In-Reply-To: References: <7749A177-7FDC-4A3A-9275-0DB2E100E7D0@gmail.com> <1A309C3B-4E88-4FF9-A506-E32B60C52D53@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0460F9F3-0CAC-4CB2-B34A-659BE032A6F7@gmail.com> I'm guessing the 2 buttons are allow and deny. I just dunno which ones they are lol1 As for the main sight I avoid that like the plegue on safari as it is so sluggish and vo unfriendly at least for me it is more frustrating then not lol! On Nov 1, 2011, at 4:14 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi Sarah! > I'm not sure but the de nigh button might not be visible at all! > So if you can log in to the main site and see if you can remove the requests from there! > hth Colin > > On 1 Nov 2011, at 22:34, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Neither. I'm on the ios app. I don't use the sight at all. >> On Nov 1, 2011, at 3:27 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: >> >>> Hi Sarah! >>> Which facebook are you on? >>> Mobile or the main site? >>> Colin >>> >>> On 1 Nov 2011, at 20:49, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> >>>> Hello to all. I got some requests I want to block but when I try and block said requests i see 2 unlabelled buttons at the bottom of the screen and am not sure which one is the deny button. These are farmvill requests that people are sending me and I want to put a stop to this as soon as I can. >>>> >>>> Thanks all. >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Nov 2 01:43:05 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:43:05 +1100 Subject: Latest update to Skype for Mac Message-ID: <519D9E15-62DB-41D1-88A3-BDE4CB631539@internode.on.net> Just curious as to what people make of this update, the layout seems to have been changed a little. In the previous version I was able to work out which contacts were and were't online, that is to say I could sort the contacts table by status and in the latest version this seems to have either disappeared or be broken. From 1smartdog at cox.net Wed Nov 2 00:00:00 2011 From: 1smartdog at cox.net (1SmartDog@cox.net) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 19:00:00 -0500 Subject: PDF files Message-ID: <61EB001490EC4906999B166851AB5FD8@karen796b6a58c> Hi Everyone, I've made good progress on using VO with my Macbook Pro but I do have some questions regarding PDF files. Is it easier/more productive to use Preview or Acrobat with PDF files? Any help with navigating PDF files would be helpful. Is it possible to fill out PDF form pages on the Mac using VO and print them out? Thanks for any guidance. Karen From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 01:49:36 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 18:49:36 -0700 Subject: Latest update to Skype for Mac In-Reply-To: <519D9E15-62DB-41D1-88A3-BDE4CB631539@internode.on.net> References: <519D9E15-62DB-41D1-88A3-BDE4CB631539@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <7969072A-B344-4695-BFA3-2C4C7C64CB83@gmail.com> I have a looksee. I'm using the public beta so I have probably noticed this lol! And if i did I hopefully reported it to skype. I don't remember so can't tell ya. On Nov 1, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Just curious as to what people make of this update, the layout seems to have been changed a little. > > In the previous version I was able to work out which contacts were and were't online, that is to say I could sort the contacts table by status and in the latest version this seems to have either disappeared or be broken. > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 01:56:38 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 18:56:38 -0700 Subject: Fix a Lion file-opening hang in OS X 10.7.2 Message-ID: Now this is an interesting fix. Fix a Lion file-opening hang in OS X 10.7.2 Since upgrading to 10.7.2, you may have encountered an unusual hang after opening files in certain applications. There's a fix! http://onj.me/1li From tsiegel at softcon.com Wed Nov 2 02:09:15 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:09:15 -0400 Subject: Spliting a large MP3 file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <32082192-4CFD-4ED5-BD28-8405CD632A52@softcon.com> Instead of splitting the file into smaller parts, you can try the options in itunes (command-i then click on options) and tell it to remember location when playing. That way, if you go away from the file for any reason, itunes will pick up where it left off when you return to the file, which it doesn't do by default. From tsiegel at softcon.com Wed Nov 2 02:34:20 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 22:34:20 -0400 Subject: PDF files In-Reply-To: <61EB001490EC4906999B166851AB5FD8@karen796b6a58c> References: <61EB001490EC4906999B166851AB5FD8@karen796b6a58c> Message-ID: <162CB93B-9956-4526-8087-EBE4C3CAE858@softcon.com> For most pdf files, preview is by far better at interacting with vo and the pdf content than adobe's digital edditions, (though I'm positive others have different opinions) on the other hand, as far as I know, you can't fill out pdf files on the mac, though if the pdf file isn't protected, you could always copy it into text edit, fill it out, then via the print dialog create a new pdf file containing the filled out form. There are folks on list here who use adobe's offerings, but I don't, just because they're (imo) not as accessible, and are serious cpu/ memory hogs, something I need every bit of on my machine, but as always, standard disclaimers apply, and your mileage may vary. hth. From helianthe at mac-access.net Wed Nov 2 03:14:40 2011 From: helianthe at mac-access.net (Lyn & her faithful furry friends) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 04:14:40 +0100 Subject: Latest update to Skype for Mac In-Reply-To: <7969072A-B344-4695-BFA3-2C4C7C64CB83@gmail.com> References: <519D9E15-62DB-41D1-88A3-BDE4CB631539@internode.on.net> <7969072A-B344-4695-BFA3-2C4C7C64CB83@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have noticed the same thing ever since version 5.3 so personally, I downgraded to 5.2. On Nov 2, 2011, at 2:49 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I have a looksee. I'm using the public beta so I have probably noticed this lol! And if i did I hopefully reported it to skype. I don't remember so can't tell ya. > On Nov 1, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Just curious as to what people make of this update, the layout seems to have been changed a little. >> >> In the previous version I was able to work out which contacts were and were't online, that is to say I could sort the contacts table by status and in the latest version this seems to have either disappeared or be broken. >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ********** You can contact me in the following ways: email: helianthe at mac-access.net msn: lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com skype: micky-mac2010 facebook: www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. From harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk Wed Nov 2 12:05:38 2011 From: harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk (Ian Harrison) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:05:38 +0000 Subject: Speakers with airport express In-Reply-To: <4EB027B1.3040500@internode.on.net> References: <4EB027B1.3040500@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <98606427-2744-4908-818A-CC6420020130@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> I will try that idea out. Thanks for the feedback. I want a pair with good overall sound - any particular models are you happy to recommend. I appreciate it can be in the ear of the beholder. Ian On 01 November 2011, at 17:09, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Speakers come in all shapes and sizes and you don't have to spend a fortune of some very nice sounding speakers nowadays, a pair of computer speakers say for $40.00 can do a surprisingly good job. > > My personal view is that - given your Airport Express has a digital output through the 3.5MM jack as well as analogue - I'd want to make the best of that if I could by using a device with a digital input, sam an amp with a pair of reasonable speakers. > > Just our of curiosity, have you plugged a set of headphones into your Airport Express and heard the sound through those? I do that here from time to time, sounds absolutely brilliant. > > > > On 2/11/2011 12:55 AM, Ian Harrison wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have just invested in an airport express, which has a 3.5 mm output I think. >> >> Could I ask for recommendations on a single or 2.0 speaker to plug in. It will be for music more than anything. >> >> Thanks in advance >> Ian >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > -- > Dane Trethowan > From Melton Victoria Australia > skype callto:grtdane12 > MSN: grtdane at dane-trethowan.net > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Nov 2 12:22:14 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 12:22:14 +0000 Subject: Sandvox HTML Design tool Message-ID: <5A98C8A4-CED7-4A0C-963B-79484C36D6AF@mac-access.net> Hello everybody Is anybody by any chance using this tool with VoiceOver? If so, have you managed to accomplish anything with it? Visually it's a fine tool; but I won't just accept that nowadays because I want something that will work for both Gordon and myself. I'm still looking; but so far it isn't very promising. Now; just to be clear so that nobody can twist what I'm saying. I am not pronouncing that Sandvox is either unusable or inaccessible; I'm asking, not declaring. Sorry about that; but judging by recent misinterpretations elsewhere I have to be very clear, it seems. Lynne From harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk Wed Nov 2 13:28:25 2011 From: harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk (Ian Harrison) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:28:25 +0000 Subject: iCloud and multiple accounts Message-ID: <0EAA668A-850C-4D57-9EFC-A10FEC0C2F96@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Hi, I know there has been a lot written about this, but I could not find n answer to my particular situation: My wife is about to register her first iphone. We are thinking of sharing the apple i d so that we can share apps. However, we would prefer to keep contacts separate while being able to see each others calendars. Further complications come with icloud. I have an account, but should she also share this or can she have her own? Even worse, I found today that my mac is not sharing calendars etc with my phone as I have it set up with icloud. I am running snow leopard, so cannot synch with the cloud until I move to Lion. Is this right? I am very confused over the best set up. Any pointers gratefully received. Ian From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Nov 2 13:32:34 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:32:34 +0000 Subject: iCloud and multiple accounts In-Reply-To: <0EAA668A-850C-4D57-9EFC-A10FEC0C2F96@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> References: <0EAA668A-850C-4D57-9EFC-A10FEC0C2F96@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <658B2725-2687-420E-BDCD-0146DF4A1785@mac-access.net> Ian iCloud doesn't work the same way as MobileMe does. However there's an Apple support document on their website at http://www.icloud.com which outlines how to migrate multiple accounts into iClud from a family pack MobileMe account. The other way you could do it is create separate groups in Addressbook and use one group for each of you. Then synch the group you prefer on each device. I hope that helps. Lynne On 2 Nov 2011, at 13:28, Ian Harrison wrote: Hi, I know there has been a lot written about this, but I could not find n answer to my particular situation: My wife is about to register her first iphone. We are thinking of sharing the apple i d so that we can share apps. However, we would prefer to keep contacts separate while being able to see each others calendars. Further complications come with icloud. I have an account, but should she also share this or can she have her own? Even worse, I found today that my mac is not sharing calendars etc with my phone as I have it set up with icloud. I am running snow leopard, so cannot synch with the cloud until I move to Lion. Is this right? I am very confused over the best set up. Any pointers gratefully received. Ian <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 15:06:11 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 08:06:11 -0700 Subject: Talk Back to Facebook with Friends Aloud Message-ID: This is a nifty little app someone might want to use when on the go and they use facebook. I might even give it a go sometime. Basically it allows you to talk to facebook via voice. I found this on the aios list for anyone interested. http://onj.me/1ln From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 15:14:29 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 08:14:29 -0700 Subject: Tests find Apple's Siri uses average of 63KB in data per query Message-ID: This article talks about how much data seri uses. Forgive spelling. http://onj.me/1lo From niam.mckeown at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 15:16:04 2011 From: niam.mckeown at gmail.com (Niamh) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:16:04 -0000 Subject: IPAD tutorials/books Message-ID: <1EE2358D134D4CBB962F7FC7176F3419@Blossom> I now have my Ipad2 and so excited. It has IOS5 and I need a simple guide, I think there are some e_books and tutorials. So excited I can't find them. Will have to read them on windows and Jaws for the moment. Niamh From sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk Wed Nov 2 15:22:59 2011 From: sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk (Sunil Peck) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:22:59 +0000 Subject: Importing emails from Outlook 2003 into Apple Mail Message-ID: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02D9D513387E@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Hi, If anyone could recommend an accessible app to do this or set out the steps, I'd appreciate it. I have a .pst file containing a backup of my messages from my Windows XP machine running Outlook 2003 which I'd like to import into Apple Mail. I did a brief search online for an answer but only came across references to a paid-for app called something like Outlook2Mac. I'm reluctant to buy that in case It's not accessible with VO. Thanks for any help. Sunil ________________________________ Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by guarantee (number 520866). Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. Our VAT number is 805156939. 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From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 15:28:10 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 08:28:10 -0700 Subject: The iOS Academy: Pushing Gmail To Your iOS Device Message-ID: this is a neat article on how to push your gmail instantly to your phone. This might be a no brainer for most of you though as there are a lot of computer techs on this list, how ever It is a good read and the steps are made easy to understand and explain for people like me who don't really know what an exchange server is lol! Enjoy http://onj.me/1lp From weavermicha at googlemail.com Wed Nov 2 16:47:47 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 16:47:47 +0000 Subject: disappearing email Message-ID: <4eb17254.686ce30a.399e.0088@mx.google.com> email keeps disappearing from my inbox since i have upgraded to lion. i tend to keep email for a while in my inbox just in case i need to refer to it for example. however i don't know why messages i keep for a few days which have been read end up disappearing without me even pressing delete. is this a lion issue in mac mail or is something else causing it such as the fact when i did a fresh install for lion when it was released, the mail setup chose imap by default instead of pop when mac mail decided to get my mail settings for the setup. From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Wed Nov 2 17:10:35 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 17:10:35 +0000 Subject: App to record voice calls Message-ID: <4EB1798B.10902@techno-chat.net> Is there an app out there that can record both outgoing and incoming voice calls, preferably without beeps every few seconds? Thanks! From lyewchan at telus.net Wed Nov 2 17:54:18 2011 From: lyewchan at telus.net (Lovette Yewchan) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 10:54:18 -0700 Subject: disappearing email In-Reply-To: <4eb17254.686ce30a.399e.0088@mx.google.com> References: <4eb17254.686ce30a.399e.0088@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I've had similar problems and eventually found those emails in send folder not sure why! Lovette On 2011-11-02, at 9:47 AM, michael weaver wrote: > email keeps disappearing from my inbox since i have upgraded to lion. > i tend to keep email for a while in my inbox just in case i need to refer to it for example. > however i don't know why messages i keep for a few days which have been read end up disappearing without me even pressing delete. > is this a lion issue in mac mail or is something else causing it such as the fact when i did a fresh install for lion when it was released, the mail setup chose imap by default instead of pop when mac mail decided to get my mail settings for the setup. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Wed Nov 2 18:20:04 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:20:04 +0000 Subject: Bounces Message-ID: Hello everybody It would appear that some people have been getting bounce notifications from our other server. If you receive such a notification from mail.mac-access.net, please ignore it for the time being. We are working on moving all of the email lists over to that server and for now it isn't properly on line. Apparently it's getting a big bored so it's creating work for itself. If you get these notices please look to see where they come from before you submit a support request. We are sorry for any inconvenience. This is only a short term issue as we will be migrating the list soon. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Nov 2 18:23:14 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 18:23:14 +0000 Subject: App to record voice calls In-Reply-To: <4EB1798B.10902@techno-chat.net> References: <4EB1798B.10902@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <6F5B5FCF-457F-4A5F-9813-D62BAC765E5C@mac-access.net> Hello Chris I would point out that recording calls in that way is illegal in the UK. If you wish to record telephone calls you o]hav] have a legal obligation to inform the other party. That's why the beeps exist in most applications that let you do this. It can be done using hardware; but it isn't legal. I personally have never, with the exception of Skype, seen anything in software that will let you do it but it is possible you might be able to with a VOIP configuration. Lynne On 2 Nov 2011, at 17:10, chris hallsworth wrote: Is there an app out there that can record both outgoing and incoming voice calls, preferably without beeps every few seconds? Thanks! From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Wed Nov 2 19:29:36 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:29:36 +0000 Subject: App to record voice calls In-Reply-To: <6F5B5FCF-457F-4A5F-9813-D62BAC765E5C@mac-access.net> References: <4EB1798B.10902@techno-chat.net> <6F5B5FCF-457F-4A5F-9813-D62BAC765E5C@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4EB19A20.1090106@techno-chat.net> Ar no, it is ok. If it is illegal then I shall stay away. Don't want to get into trouble do I smiles. Thanks for letting me know. I knew it was illegal in some countries but didn't know UK was one of them. On 02/11/2011 18:23, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > I would point out that recording calls in that way is illegal in the UK. If you wish to record telephone calls you o]hav] have a legal obligation to inform the other party. That's why the beeps exist in most applications that let you do this. > > It can be done using hardware; but it isn't legal. I personally have never, with the exception of Skype, seen anything in software that will let you do it but it is possible you might be able to with a VOIP configuration. > > Lynne > > On 2 Nov 2011, at 17:10, chris hallsworth wrote: > > Is there an app out there that can record both outgoing and incoming voice calls, preferably without beeps every few seconds? Thanks! > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From moriond at mac.com Wed Nov 2 19:36:10 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 09:36:10 -1000 Subject: David Pogue's Missing Manual eBook on Lion available for half price today Message-ID: Hi all, There have been recent questions from new users about good sources about the learning the Mac, and particularly the new Mac OS X Lion operating system. I've mentioned the Take Control Guide series: "Take Control of Using Lion" by Matt Neuberg. David Pogue's "Mac OS X Lion: The Missing Manual" published by O'Reilly Press has just been released, and is available for purchase at 50 per cent discount, or $13.99, today only from O'Reilly's web site. Here's the link to the O'Reilly deal of the day web page for Pogue's books: http://shop.oreilly.com/category/deals/pogue.do O'Reilly sells its book without DRM (digital rights management), so they can be viewed on any platform or reader. When you purchase ebooks directly from them, you create a user account, and get permanent access to all ebook versions of the book that are available, and these are automatically updated for any corrections or additions to the latest version. Current versions are ePub, PDF, and Mobi. They've also been releasing their popular books in DAISY format, though that's usually some weeks later. (The previous version of the Missing Manual for Snow Leopard is in DAISY format, for example.) O'Reilly does make its books available through Bookshare, and includes their titles in the internationally available content. However, if you are not a member of Bookshare, or simply want early access and access to the range of multiple formats (so you can download the ePub version directly from the link in your login account through Safari to your iPhone or iPad and open and read it under iBooks, for example), this is a very good deal. Other popular David Pogue Missing Manual titles are also on half price sale today, but I'll point out that a new version of his Missing Manual for the iPhone, as well as to his guide to Switching to the Mac, are due to come out in about a month. HTH. Cheers, Esther From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Nov 2 19:32:00 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:32:00 +0000 Subject: David Pogue's Missing Manual eBook on Lion available for half price today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C2BC391-E2D4-439D-9884-305430C37A89@computing.dcu.ie> YARGH! Why didn't I wait? Echoing Esther's sentiments, I love this book. D?nal On 2 Nov 2011, at 19:36, Esther wrote: > Hi all, > > There have been recent questions from new users about good sources about the learning the Mac, and particularly the new Mac OS X Lion operating system. I've mentioned the Take Control Guide series: "Take Control of Using Lion" by Matt Neuberg. David Pogue's "Mac OS X Lion: The Missing Manual" published by O'Reilly Press has just been released, and is available for purchase at 50 per cent discount, or $13.99, today only from O'Reilly's web site. Here's the link to the O'Reilly deal of the day web page for Pogue's books: > http://shop.oreilly.com/category/deals/pogue.do > O'Reilly sells its book without DRM (digital rights management), so they can be viewed on any platform or reader. When you purchase ebooks directly from them, you create a user account, and get permanent access to all ebook versions of the book that are available, and these are automatically updated for any corrections or additions to the latest version. Current versions are ePub, PDF, and Mobi. They've also been releasing their popular books in DAISY format, though that's usually some weeks later. (The previous version of the Missing Manual for Snow Leopard is in DAISY format, for example.) > > O'Reilly does make its books available through Bookshare, and includes their titles in the internationally available content. However, if you are not a member of Bookshare, or simply want early access and access to the range of multiple formats (so you can download the ePub version directly from the link in your login account through Safari to your iPhone or iPad and open and read it under iBooks, for example), this is a very good deal. > > Other popular David Pogue Missing Manual titles are also on half price sale today, but I'll point out that a new version of his Missing Manual for the iPhone, as well as to his guide to Switching to the Mac, are due to come out in about a month. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Nov 2 19:32:47 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:32:47 +0000 Subject: David Pogue's Missing Manual eBook on Lion available for half price today In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: YARGH! Why didn't I wait? Echoing Esther's sentiments, I love this book. D?nal On 2 Nov 2011, at 19:36, Esther wrote: > Hi all, > > There have been recent questions from new users about good sources about the learning the Mac, and particularly the new Mac OS X Lion operating system. I've mentioned the Take Control Guide series: "Take Control of Using Lion" by Matt Neuberg. David Pogue's "Mac OS X Lion: The Missing Manual" published by O'Reilly Press has just been released, and is available for purchase at 50 per cent discount, or $13.99, today only from O'Reilly's web site. Here's the link to the O'Reilly deal of the day web page for Pogue's books: > http://shop.oreilly.com/category/deals/pogue.do > O'Reilly sells its book without DRM (digital rights management), so they can be viewed on any platform or reader. When you purchase ebooks directly from them, you create a user account, and get permanent access to all ebook versions of the book that are available, and these are automatically updated for any corrections or additions to the latest version. Current versions are ePub, PDF, and Mobi. They've also been releasing their popular books in DAISY format, though that's usually some weeks later. (The previous version of the Missing Manual for Snow Leopard is in DAISY format, for example.) > > O'Reilly does make its books available through Bookshare, and includes their titles in the internationally available content. However, if you are not a member of Bookshare, or simply want early access and access to the range of multiple formats (so you can download the ePub version directly from the link in your login account through Safari to your iPhone or iPad and open and read it under iBooks, for example), this is a very good deal. > > Other popular David Pogue Missing Manual titles are also on half price sale today, but I'll point out that a new version of his Missing Manual for the iPhone, as well as to his guide to Switching to the Mac, are due to come out in about a month. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Nov 2 19:53:23 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:53:23 +0000 Subject: Installing Lion from scratch Message-ID: Hello everybody Gordon and I own a number of Macs; one of which is a 2007 MacBook with 4GB of RAM in it. Currently this machine has no OS installed, and I would like to mimic one of our MacBook Pro's using Time machine backup to restore it. The backup is on a Time Capsule. What I would like to know is this; can I boot into the Snow Leopard Disk Utility and then select the "Restore from Time Machine Backup" option, given that the machine is not the same one as that which created the backup? Advice appreciated. Lynne From gunn at tznet.com Wed Nov 2 20:37:00 2011 From: gunn at tznet.com (gunn at tznet.com) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 16:37:00 -0400 Subject: Installing Lion from scratch Message-ID: <380-22011113220370398@M2W120.mail2web.com> Lynne: Short and easy answer is yes. I've done this before and works like a charm. The only thing I can think of if you have licensed programs you might have to type in the serial number ETC. It works good and hope you have good luck with it. John Original Message: ----------------- From: Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith lynne at mac-access.net Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 19:53:23 +0000 To: mac-access at mac-access.net Subject: Installing Lion from scratch Hello everybody Gordon and I own a number of Macs; one of which is a 2007 MacBook with 4GB of RAM in it. Currently this machine has no OS installed, and I would like to mimic one of our MacBook Pro's using Time machine backup to restore it. The backup is on a Time Capsule. What I would like to know is this; can I boot into the Snow Leopard Disk Utility and then select the "Restore from Time Machine Backup" option, given that the machine is not the same one as that which created the backup? Advice appreciated. Lynne <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From lynne at mac-access.net Wed Nov 2 20:42:05 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 20:42:05 +0000 Subject: Installing Lion from scratch In-Reply-To: <380-22011113220370398@M2W120.mail2web.com> References: <380-22011113220370398@M2W120.mail2web.com> Message-ID: <6DADA4C2-951D-412E-A6C7-6A047FCF5C57@mac-access.net> Hello John Many thanks indeed. I thought it would work; but I decided to check first because I didn't particularly want to waste the time otherwise. It will take a while because the ? backup is on a network volume. Thank you again. Lynne On 2 Nov 2011, at 20:37, gunn at tznet.com wrote: ? Short and easy answer is yes. I've done this before and works like a charm. The only thing I can think of if you have licensed programs you might have to type in the serial number ETC. It works good and hope you have good luck with it. From james.austin at mac-access.net Wed Nov 2 22:39:44 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 22:39:44 +0000 Subject: Installing Lion from scratch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A698DE9-C473-40A0-AFE4-2964D8D0A8D5@mac-access.net> Hello Lynne, As far as I know, this should work, as the Lion download is not specific to any one machine, unlike the Snow Leopard DVDs that were shipped with Macs prior to Lion's release. I've not tired this though as I use CCC. HTH TC :) J On 2 Nov 2011, at 19:53, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Gordon and I own a number of Macs; one of which is a 2007 MacBook with 4GB of RAM in it. Currently this machine has no OS installed, and I would like to mimic one of our MacBook Pro's using Time machine backup to restore it. The backup is on a Time Capsule. > > What I would like to know is this; can I boot into the Snow Leopard Disk Utility and then select the "Restore from Time Machine Backup" option, given that the machine is not the same one as that which created the backup? > > Advice appreciated. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From annieskovnielsen at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 23:21:00 2011 From: annieskovnielsen at gmail.com (Annie Skov Nielsen) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 00:21:00 +0100 Subject: add multiple people in a Skype call. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <766A679C-0260-4834-BD02-828557DB3776@gmail.com> Hi Jim. I can not figure out to add a person during a call, but I can hang up, at make a call that include more people. I use the VoiceOver +f3 and the vo+command to select the persons I wants to add to my conference call. Best regards Annie. Den Oct 29, 2011 kl. 11:25 PM skrev Jim Noseworthy: > Hi Folks: > > How does one add multiple people in a Skype call? Apparently, you have to command click on each name. How is that done with Voiceover? > > Thanks all over the place gang. > > > The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy Spirit, in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6586 (20111029) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From niam.mckeown at gmail.com Wed Nov 2 23:27:38 2011 From: niam.mckeown at gmail.com (Niamh) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 23:27:38 -0000 Subject: Ipad2 instruction books or pdcasts Message-ID: <9B6D01AE49B94272A80121D03B2E70D4@Blossom> Can anybody direct me to these? many thanks niamh From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 00:48:07 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:48:07 -0700 Subject: Installing Lion from scratch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you backed up the dmg in the install lion app file you could burn it to a dvd and boot from it with your os less drive I believe. then just install lion that way. It would probably take the same amount of time. Someone let me know if I am correct in this assumption On Nov 2, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Gordon and I own a number of Macs; one of which is a 2007 MacBook with 4GB of RAM in it. Currently this machine has no OS installed, and I would like to mimic one of our MacBook Pro's using Time machine backup to restore it. The backup is on a Time Capsule. > > What I would like to know is this; can I boot into the Snow Leopard Disk Utility and then select the "Restore from Time Machine Backup" option, given that the machine is not the same one as that which created the backup? > > Advice appreciated. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 00:49:49 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:49:49 -0700 Subject: App to record voice calls In-Reply-To: <6F5B5FCF-457F-4A5F-9813-D62BAC765E5C@mac-access.net> References: <4EB1798B.10902@techno-chat.net> <6F5B5FCF-457F-4A5F-9813-D62BAC765E5C@mac-access.net> Message-ID: You could use audio hijack to hijack your sound. Iv'e done this for several calls I've made and later destroyed.. Just hijack skype and make a call using skype out and the call sounds pretty good. On Nov 2, 2011, at 11:23 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > I would point out that recording calls in that way is illegal in the UK. If you wish to record telephone calls you o]hav] have a legal obligation to inform the other party. That's why the beeps exist in most applications that let you do this. > > It can be done using hardware; but it isn't legal. I personally have never, with the exception of Skype, seen anything in software that will let you do it but it is possible you might be able to with a VOIP configuration. > > Lynne > > On 2 Nov 2011, at 17:10, chris hallsworth wrote: > > Is there an app out there that can record both outgoing and incoming voice calls, preferably without beeps every few seconds? Thanks! > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 00:59:28 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:59:28 -0700 Subject: OS X Lion has a hidden 'drop box' for easy file syncing between Macs Message-ID: <31254965-8E67-4A90-9914-8A31FA245339@gmail.com> Will apple make this hidden dropbox like feature a reality at some point? We'll see. http://onj.me/1lv From rex.attome at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 01:19:18 2011 From: rex.attome at gmail.com (rex holmes) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 01:19:18 -0000 Subject: Ipad2 instruction books or pdcasts References: <9B6D01AE49B94272A80121D03B2E70D4@Blossom> Message-ID: I too have been looking for these. Rex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niamh" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:27 PM Subject: Ipad2 instruction books or pdcasts > Can anybody direct me to these? > many thanks > niamh > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Nov 3 02:28:24 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 02:28:24 +0000 Subject: Installing Lion from scratch In-Reply-To: <7A698DE9-C473-40A0-AFE4-2964D8D0A8D5@mac-access.net> References: <7A698DE9-C473-40A0-AFE4-2964D8D0A8D5@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <5D47221A-27B7-4EB0-917A-8667E77224FA@mac-access.net> Hello James We've now changed our mind on this one. We don't want the machine to be an exact duplicate of the MBP's we use because those machine are all configured with Lion Server and that isn't how we want the little MacBook to be configured. So I'm now looking for another way of installing Lion from scratch. We could maybe create a DVD but it's a bit messy. We do have some UsB thumb drives although I don't think those will work either. Lynne On 2 Nov 2011, at 22:39, James AUSTIN wrote: Hello Lynne, As far as I know, this should work, as the Lion download is not specific to any one machine, unlike the Snow Leopard DVDs that were shipped with Macs prior to Lion's release. I've not tired this though as I use CCC. HTH TC :) J On 2 Nov 2011, at 19:53, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Gordon and I own a number of Macs; one of which is a 2007 MacBook with 4GB of RAM in it. Currently this machine has no OS installed, and I would like to mimic one of our MacBook Pro's using Time machine backup to restore it. The backup is on a Time Capsule. > > What I would like to know is this; can I boot into the Snow Leopard Disk Utility and then select the "Restore from Time Machine Backup" option, given that the machine is not the same one as that which created the backup? > > Advice appreciated. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Nov 3 02:32:50 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 02:32:50 +0000 Subject: Installing Lion from scratch In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6C4488D4-F684-490A-BEE8-14AAF44F9C35@mac-access.net> Hello Sarah Yes; we've done that once. The build of Lion we have as an install.app is obsolete I'd guess but I'm not sure about that. Has anybody downloaded it recently from the App Store? Lynne On 3 Nov 2011, at 00:48, Sarah Alawami wrote: If you backed up the dmg in the install lion app file you could burn it to a dvd and boot from it with your os less drive I believe. then just install lion that way. It would probably take the same amount of time. Someone let me know if I am correct in this assumption From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Thu Nov 3 03:35:28 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 22:35:28 -0500 Subject: garage band on the mac Message-ID: Hi list: Is there anyone who can help me with learning on how to use garage band? Are there any type of tutorials or instructions? From moopiecurran at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 05:11:18 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (moopiecurran at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 01:11:18 -0400 Subject: What is sound check? Message-ID: <5F857E62-F913-471E-B897-D15A2DB9D527@gmail.com> Hi, What purpose does the sound check feature serve in the music app on my ipad? Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iPad From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Thu Nov 3 06:19:28 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 06:19:28 +0000 Subject: What is sound check? In-Reply-To: <5F857E62-F913-471E-B897-D15A2DB9D527@gmail.com> References: <5F857E62-F913-471E-B897-D15A2DB9D527@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Courtney! That is to make all your music play at the same level! If you have any that are either louder or quieter than others! hth Colin Sent from my iPhone On 3 Nov 2011, at 05:11, moopiecurran at gmail.com wrote: > Hi, > What purpose does the sound check feature serve in the music app on my ipad? > Thanks, > Courtney > > > Sent from my iPad > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Nov 3 07:04:07 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 07:04:07 +0000 Subject: What is sound check? In-Reply-To: References: <5F857E62-F913-471E-B897-D15A2DB9D527@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Courtney & Colin I was about to answer this actually. As I understand it, Sound Check is what a lot of problems call "Normalisation". As Colin rightly says, to synchronise the volume of playback on your audio output so that content plays at the same audio level. But I think iTunes takes it a little bit further. and applies other equalisation as well to make the sound as full and clear as possible. Lynne On 3 Nov 2011, at 06:19, Red.Falcon wrote: That is to make all your music play at the same level! If you have any that are either louder or quieter than others! hth Colin From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Thu Nov 3 07:23:11 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 07:23:11 +0000 Subject: garage band on the mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi michael! Here are 3 links for some pod cast's that might help! >>>>> >>>>> From a guy called Ricardo! >>>>> Part 1. >>>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5326929/GB-6-Part-1.m4a >>>>> >>>>> Part 2. >>>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5326929/GB-6-Part-2.mp3 >>>>> >>>>> Part 3. >>>>> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5326929/Garageband-3.mp3 >>>> Colin On 3 Nov 2011, at 03:35, michael maslo wrote: > Hi list: > > Is there anyone who can help me with learning on how to use garage band? Are there any type of tutorials or instructions? > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Nov 3 07:23:24 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 07:23:24 +0000 Subject: Registering a programme; I'm feeling really really Stupid! Message-ID: Hello everybody Some time ago Gordon and I bought the excellent maintenance utility "Cocktail". When we first started using Lion, for reasons of compatibility we removed every trace of Cocktail from our system; including all user ownership data and preferences. That is also what we do when we stop using a programme; or if we decide we don't like it. Of course, if we don't like it it wouldn't usually be registered. Anyway, to my point; and clearly I'm just totally dumb because having used Macs now for several years I should know the answer to this question. Where in Cocktail is the registration key found? And where is it entered? Lynne From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Thu Nov 3 07:46:14 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 07:46:14 +0000 Subject: Registering a programme; I'm feeling really really Stupid! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lynne! I just opened my copy and after it did a lot of buizzy a window opened for me to buy! Part of this says if you have already bought a copy! The registration should be in a email receipt! And the fields were also in that window for name, email and code! hth Colin On 3 Nov 2011, at 07:23, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Some time ago Gordon and I bought the excellent maintenance utility "Cocktail". When we first started using Lion, for reasons of compatibility we removed every trace of Cocktail from our system; including all user ownership data and preferences. That is also what we do when we stop using a programme; or if we decide we don't like it. Of course, if we don't like it it wouldn't usually be registered. > > Anyway, to my point; and clearly I'm just totally dumb because having used Macs now for several years I should know the answer to this question. Where in Cocktail is the registration key found? And where is it entered? > > Lynne > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From weavermicha at googlemail.com Thu Nov 3 08:00:06 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 08:00:06 +0000 Subject: notifications in skype Message-ID: <4eb24825.d467e30a.149a.ffff8091@mx.google.com> in skype under notifications there is a checkbox called speak text which is unchecked. is this option where i get spoken notifications? at the moment i only get the bubbble sound or whatever when someone comes on-line. From gordonkeen at googlemail.com Thu Nov 3 08:48:53 2011 From: gordonkeen at googlemail.com (Gordon Keen) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 08:48:53 +0000 Subject: App to record voice calls In-Reply-To: <6F5B5FCF-457F-4A5F-9813-D62BAC765E5C@mac-access.net> References: <4EB1798B.10902@techno-chat.net> <6F5B5FCF-457F-4A5F-9813-D62BAC765E5C@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Actually that's not accurate in the U.K. , the Telecommunications act does allow for the recording of calls as long as one party is aware of the recording - that's one person, could be the caller or the person called. The beeps are there for compliance to laws in other countries. At least this was the case when I worked in the telecoms sector a few years back now - if legislation has changed blame the politicians. Regards G From Bridgerule in glorious Devon, England. On 2 Nov 2011, at 18:23, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > I would point out that recording calls in that way is illegal in the UK. If you wish to record telephone calls you o]have] have a legal obligation to inform the other party. That's why the beeps exist in most applications that let you do this. > > It can be done using hardware; but it isn't legal. I personally have never, with the exception of Skype, seen anything in software that will let you do it but it is possible you might be able to with a VOIP configuration. > > Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Nov 3 11:06:24 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 11:06:24 +0000 Subject: Registering a programme; I'm feeling really really Stupid! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <23D43C5F-5B9B-4DB9-8BCC-1F3CE0991062@mac-access.net> Hello Colin That isn't happening here. I can't see an option in the menus; so I'm a bit puzzled. But it would appear that it is running in registered mode so I must have not deleted the preference pane relevant to Cocktail. Lynne On 3 Nov 2011, at 07:46, Red.Falcon wrote: Hi Lynne! I just opened my copy and after it did a lot of buizzy a window opened for me to buy! Part of this says if you have already bought a copy! The registration should be in a email receipt! And the fields were also in that window for name, email and code! hth Colin On 3 Nov 2011, at 07:23, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > Some time ago Gordon and I bought the excellent maintenance utility "Cocktail". When we first started using Lion, for reasons of compatibility we removed every trace of Cocktail from our system; including all user ownership data and preferences. That is also what we do when we stop using a programme; or if we decide we don't like it. Of course, if we don't like it it wouldn't usually be registered. > > Anyway, to my point; and clearly I'm just totally dumb because having used Macs now for several years I should know the answer to this question. Where in Cocktail is the registration key found? And where is it entered? > > Lynne > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Nov 3 12:08:15 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 12:08:15 +0000 Subject: transmit query. Message-ID: <59FA5AF7-8DB8-40EF-B7EF-0F077FAA2D5E@computing.dcu.ie> Hi all, I'm finding that when I upload a file to my remote server, it's going into the root and not the folder in which I wish it to. I'm using VO to go to the folder on the remote side, but I'm clearly not "selecting" it; or in other words, changing path. How does one do this? Cheers. D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From moriond at mac.com Thu Nov 3 12:54:43 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 02:54:43 -1000 Subject: Cocktail Registration [was Re: Registering a programme; I'm feeling really really Stupid!] In-Reply-To: <23D43C5F-5B9B-4DB9-8BCC-1F3CE0991062@mac-access.net> References: <23D43C5F-5B9B-4DB9-8BCC-1F3CE0991062@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Lynne, As Colin says, when you bring up Cocktail the pane with the tabs for the menu options contains the information of the version number and then my name and the information "Single User License". After you purchase the product, you should have received an email message with a subject: Your registration information from: Maintain I have a separate mail folder for Registrations that I keep for mail like this. The body of the message contains the registration information, with your name, email address, and serial number following the text. (I'm not going to include that information .) Thank you for supporting shareware and purchasing Cocktail. The latest version(s) of Cocktail can be downloaded from: http://www.maintain.se/cocktail/download.php To register your copy of Cocktail and eliminate all limitations, please enter the registration information in the fields of the panel that will appear after the second launch of the demo version or choose Register Cocktail from the Cocktail menu. Then click Register. I also have a file named Cocktail.licensekeeper on my system. The email also provides a contact address for support: "Please use our support form on http://www.maintain.se/cocktail/support.html to provide feedback and send your questions." HTH. The other way I keep track of purchases is to use the MacUpdate site account registrations section, since I usually wait for when products are on sale as an MacUpdate promo. I also print copies of receipts for electronic purchases from web sites with Command+P, and in the print dialog window I go to the PDF menu button, press it with VO-Space, and then select the option "Save PDF to Web Receipts Folder". Cheers, Esther On Nov 3, 2011, at 01:06, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Colin > > That isn't happening here. I can't see an option in the menus; so I'm a bit puzzled. > > But it would appear that it is running in registered mode so I must have not deleted the preference pane relevant to Cocktail. > > Lynne > > On 3 Nov 2011, at 07:46, Red.Falcon wrote: > > Hi Lynne! > I just opened my copy and after it did a lot of buizzy a window opened for me to buy! > Part of this says if you have already bought a copy! > The registration should be in a email receipt! > And the fields were also in that window for name, email and code! > hth Colin > > On 3 Nov 2011, at 07:23, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello everybody >> >> Some time ago Gordon and I bought the excellent maintenance utility "Cocktail". When we first started using Lion, for reasons of compatibility we removed every trace of Cocktail from our system; including all user ownership data and preferences. That is also what we do when we stop using a programme; or if we decide we don't like it. Of course, if we don't like it it wouldn't usually be registered. >> >> Anyway, to my point; and clearly I'm just totally dumb because having used Macs now for several years I should know the answer to this question. Where in Cocktail is the registration key found? And where is it entered? >> >> Lynne >> From moriond at mac.com Thu Nov 3 13:39:13 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 03:39:13 -1000 Subject: PBS Presents: Steve Jobs - One Last Thing program Message-ID: <8536EC9F-33D6-44CC-98A3-16C4AEAB3C31@mac.com> Hi All, PBS premiered "Steve Jobs -- One Last Thing" yesterday in the U.S. I know that this just under an hour documentary was produced for PBS (Public Broadcasting System) and UK's Channel 4, so this may be old or redundant news for some of you. It features interviews with Ronald Wayne, the little-discussed third co-founder of Apple; Ross Perot, former U.S. presidential candidate who invested in NeXT Computer as the company was floundering; the Wall Street Journal's Walt Mossberg; will.i.am., frontman and producer for The Black Eyed Peas; Dean Hovey, designer of Apple's original mouse; Robert Palladino, the calligraphy professor at Reed College whose classes inspired Jobs with his typography for the Mac; Woz, and many others. It also includes a previously untelevised 1994 interview where Jobs talks about his life's philosophy. In the U.S. at least, you can currently access the program from the web at the URL: http://video.pbs.org/video/2163706349 This plays as an embedded flash video, so you have to be able to play Flash. Navigate past the heading level 3, "PBS Presents Steve Jobs: One Last Thing", and click on the "Flash". Interestingly, on my system, when I bring up the Safari preferences menu (Command+comma), and uncheck "Enable Plug-ins" on the Security tab, then go to the web page, so I get the message "To view the full experience of this website, please download and install Adobe Flash Player 9." instead of the "Flash" message when I navigate past the header, and then when I check the box for "Enable Plug-ins", the audio immediately starts playing (or I may have to reload with Command+R). Apparently, the video doesn't load, but the audio just plays. I'm running Snow Leopard, mainly because I didn't want to upgrade to Safari 5.1, and I have the Click To Flash plug in. Maybe somebody can report back if the web site works for users outside of the U.S., or if there is a UK Channel 4 web site. Cheers, Esther From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Thu Nov 3 14:04:30 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 11:04:30 -0300 Subject: The missing Manual series. Message-ID: Hi Folks: In the missing manual series, especially the book on Lion, I notice that the shortcut keys are not identified via speech. There is a graphic for the modifier keys. Anhyone know how to get around this? Cheers. From moriond at mac.com Thu Nov 3 14:14:16 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 04:14:16 -1000 Subject: Ipad2 instruction books or pdcasts In-Reply-To: References: <9B6D01AE49B94272A80121D03B2E70D4@Blossom> Message-ID: <14B2030B-BF76-4FDD-9614-0A8B7F86206C@mac.com> Hi Rex and Niamh, Try the Vision Australia website for Instructional podcasts for using the iPad with VoiceOver: http://www.visionaustralia.org/info.aspx?page=2303 These were produced when the iPad 1 came out, so they won't cover the new features specific to iOS 5, but they'll help with the orientation. Another thing is that you can check is the Apple Web Accessibility site for the iPad: http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ipad/vision.html That includes the link to the accessible HTML version of the iPad user guide: http://help.apple.com/ipad/5/voiceover/en/ That guide also appears as a bookmark in the version of Safari loaded on your device, or you can follow the instructions I posted about a week ago on how to save a fast access link to a particular section of the guide as an icon on your home screen for easy access. I use the secondary Mail Archive for this list to search for recent posts. Go to the web page at: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access at mac-access.net If you type a search into text box like: from: Esther iPad user guide and press return, you'll find a Google like list of links to matching posts that I made on the subject, sorted by relevancy. You can also just type in "iPad user guide" and press return, but in this case, since I know I wrote a post on the subject, adding the argument "from:" (i.e., the word "from" followed by a colon, and then the name of the poster), will narrow the search results. Here's the top matching web page link when I typed in "iPad User Guide" ? HTML versions of iOS 5 User Guides in different languages [was Re: iPod Touch IOS 5 User Guide]: http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access at mac-access.net/msg04374.html HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 2, 2011, at 15:19, rex holmes wrote: > I too have been looking for these. > Rex > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niamh" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:27 PM > Subject: Ipad2 instruction books or pdcasts > > >> Can anybody direct me to these? >> many thanks >> niamh From moriond at mac.com Thu Nov 3 14:43:10 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 04:43:10 -1000 Subject: PBS Presents: Steve Jobs - One Last Thing program In-Reply-To: <8536EC9F-33D6-44CC-98A3-16C4AEAB3C31@mac.com> References: <8536EC9F-33D6-44CC-98A3-16C4AEAB3C31@mac.com> Message-ID: <54790FAC-6701-4A94-88BC-AA4A5F229CBC@mac.com> Hi, The UK Channel 4 link to this programme, on PBS in the U.S., titled "Steve Jobs -- One Last Thing" (also Flash) is: "Steve Jobs: iChanged the World' http://www.channel4.com/programmes/steve-jobs-ichanged-the-world/4od Again, sorry if this is old hat to everyone, or if you all have television sets and already watched this, but maybe these links will be useful to those in other countries. HTH. Cheers, Esther From james.austin at mac-access.net Thu Nov 3 14:38:33 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 14:38:33 +0000 Subject: PBS Presents: Steve Jobs - One Last Thing program In-Reply-To: <54790FAC-6701-4A94-88BC-AA4A5F229CBC@mac.com> References: <8536EC9F-33D6-44CC-98A3-16C4AEAB3C31@mac.com> <54790FAC-6701-4A94-88BC-AA4A5F229CBC@mac.com> Message-ID: <96D24146-B808-4F33-889D-B9A1F005C6E3@mac-access.net> Thanks Esther, I don't have a TV, so this is really useful thanks. TC :) J On 3 Nov 2011, at 14:43, Esther wrote: > Hi, > > The UK Channel 4 link to this programme, on PBS in the U.S., titled "Steve Jobs -- One Last Thing" (also Flash) is: > "Steve Jobs: iChanged the World' > http://www.channel4.com/programmes/steve-jobs-ichanged-the-world/4od > > Again, sorry if this is old hat to everyone, or if you all have television sets and already watched this, but maybe these links will be useful to those in other countries. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 15:42:23 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 08:42:23 -0700 Subject: transmit query. In-Reply-To: <59FA5AF7-8DB8-40EF-B7EF-0F077FAA2D5E@computing.dcu.ie> References: <59FA5AF7-8DB8-40EF-B7EF-0F077FAA2D5E@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <7D381768-E49E-4C5D-B293-B062BB7AB1D0@gmail.com> Hello. Hit cmd down arrow to open the folder then upload the file again in to that folder. Note that this is a finder wide command so this works almost everywhere in the finder, or maybe even everywhere. lol. CMD up arrow will close the folder you are on as well. On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:08 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi all, > I'm finding that when I upload a file to my remote server, it's going into the root and not the folder in which I wish it to. I'm using VO to go to the folder on the remote side, but I'm clearly not "selecting" it; or in other words, changing path. How does one do this? > > Cheers. > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 15:43:37 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 08:43:37 -0700 Subject: notifications in skype In-Reply-To: <4eb24825.d467e30a.149a.ffff8091@mx.google.com> References: <4eb24825.d467e30a.149a.ffff8091@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1EC1BBBB-C5F7-4EF2-8920-DC80B5606779@gmail.com> Yeah that's the one. I leave that off as it tends to talk over what I'm doing and interupt it. On Nov 3, 2011, at 1:00 AM, michael weaver wrote: > in skype under notifications there is a checkbox called speak text which is unchecked. > is this option where i get spoken notifications? > at the moment i only get the bubbble sound or whatever when someone comes on-line. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 15:46:32 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 08:46:32 -0700 Subject: garage band on the mac In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello. go here and download all 3 garage band demos made by recardo walker. ther eare also other demos. Keep this link handy as it is I think the best thing since sliced bread. http://macfortheblind.com/?page_id=25 On Nov 2, 2011, at 8:35 PM, michael maslo wrote: > Hi list: > > Is there anyone who can help me with learning on how to use garage band? Are there any type of tutorials or instructions? > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 15:54:28 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 08:54:28 -0700 Subject: What is sound check? In-Reply-To: References: <5F857E62-F913-471E-B897-D15A2DB9D527@gmail.com> Message-ID: It does. I hear hard limiting as well and sometimes the eps are quieter then usual I can hear vo over them and I don't want to. lol! Not for car talk anyways but everything else sounds very good when I listen. Take care. On Nov 3, 2011, at 12:04 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Courtney & Colin > > I was about to answer this actually. As I understand it, Sound Check is what a lot of problems call "Normalisation". As Colin rightly says, to synchronise the volume of playback on your audio output so that content plays at the same audio level. But I think iTunes takes it a little bit further. and applies other equalisation as well to make the sound as full and clear as possible. > > Lynne > > On 3 Nov 2011, at 06:19, Red.Falcon wrote: > > That is to make all your music play at the same level! > If you have any that are either louder or quieter than others! > hth Colin > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moopiecurran at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 17:49:24 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 13:49:24 -0400 Subject: What is sound check? In-Reply-To: References: <5F857E62-F913-471E-B897-D15A2DB9D527@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, Cool, so does this mean, if I turn sound check off, my music won't be turned down as much when vo talks. I wish Apple would make that an option to not have voiceover duck the music, I don't much care for that feature. Hopefully the lack of sound check will lessen this issue for me. Courtney On 03/11/2011, at 11:54 in the morning, Sarah Alawami wrote: > It does. I hear hard limiting as well and sometimes the eps are quieter then usual I can hear vo over them and I don't want to. lol! Not for car talk anyways but everything else sounds very good when I listen. > > Take care. > On Nov 3, 2011, at 12:04 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Courtney & Colin >> >> I was about to answer this actually. As I understand it, Sound Check is what a lot of problems call "Normalisation". As Colin rightly says, to synchronise the volume of playback on your audio output so that content plays at the same audio level. But I think iTunes takes it a little bit further. and applies other equalisation as well to make the sound as full and clear as possible. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 3 Nov 2011, at 06:19, Red.Falcon wrote: >> >> That is to make all your music play at the same level! >> If you have any that are either louder or quieter than others! >> hth Colin >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Thu Nov 3 18:08:58 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 08:08:58 -1000 Subject: What is sound check? In-Reply-To: References: <5F857E62-F913-471E-B897-D15A2DB9D527@gmail.com> Message-ID: <865A4A1B-9F48-49C7-A61D-F71256F63B0C@mac.com> Hi Courtney, Sound check is unrelated to the operation of VoiceOver, and you cannot change the amount that background sounds are turned down via "ducking" when VoiceOver comes on. It's meant to cover instances where very different recording sources in your iTunes library are played at different volume levels, so you end up having to constantly fiddle the volume settings when going from track to track. Here's the link to the Apple support document describing how sound check works: ? iTunes: About Sound Check http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2425 HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 3, 2011, at 07:49, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > Cool, so does this mean, if I turn sound check off, my music won't be turned down as much when vo talks. I wish Apple would make that an option to not have voiceover duck the music, I don't much care for that feature. Hopefully the lack of sound check will lessen this issue for me. > Courtney From jpanarese at mac-access.net Thu Nov 3 18:17:53 2011 From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 14:17:53 -0400 Subject: ChromeVox help Message-ID: <177BF6B8-6909-422E-9CB9-42F2448E81BA@mac-access.net> Hi Folks, So not to clutter the list, if anyone is successfully using ChromeVox and who wouldn't mind giving me step by step instructions in how to get it running would be willing to do so, please write me off list. I have been asked to do some work with it for a client, and I would like to have a good idea in how to use it myself before I try to explain it to someone else. I know there are things that need to be downloaded and installed, but I don't remember what those were and how difficult it is to configure and use it. Thanks in advance Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net From weavermicha at googlemail.com Thu Nov 3 18:37:33 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 18:37:33 +0000 Subject: email applications and voiceover Message-ID: <4eb2dd89.4dc6e30a.54d4.46ad@mx.google.com> is there an alternative email application to mac mail for the mac? i looked through my sent folder to try and locate email that i had received which disappeared from my inbox after a few days and i still couldn't find my lost email so i am left wondering if i should use a different email app for the mac? From james.austin at mac-access.net Thu Nov 3 18:45:37 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 18:45:37 +0000 Subject: email applications and voiceover In-Reply-To: <4eb2dd89.4dc6e30a.54d4.46ad@mx.google.com> References: <4eb2dd89.4dc6e30a.54d4.46ad@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9CCDC5A0-0F52-4895-8C94-2B799E481575@mac-access.net> Hi Michael, There is Mozilla's Thunderbird, but I don't know if it is accessible. Also, i do not think it has been updated in some time. If you want to try it though, you can get it from here: http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/ I've also been thinking about your lost E-Mail, and m wondering if you're using POP (Post Office Protocol), to receive your messages. POP downloads your mail locally to your computer. So, when it is downloaded, it is no longer available on the server. Also, some mail services require you to set certain functions from the server side. Can you set the ability to see "Sent" messages from there? TC :) J On 3 Nov 2011, at 18:37, michael weaver wrote: > is there an alternative email application to mac mail for the mac? > i looked through my sent folder to try and locate email that i had received which disappeared from my inbox after a few days and i still couldn't find my lost email so i am left wondering if i should use a different email app for the mac? > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 19:02:11 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 12:02:11 -0700 Subject: email applications and voiceover In-Reply-To: <4eb2dd89.4dc6e30a.54d4.46ad@mx.google.com> References: <4eb2dd89.4dc6e30a.54d4.46ad@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Before you do that though look on your provider's website to see if the email is there. If it is try imap as that keeps things in synch with each other. On Nov 3, 2011, at 11:37 AM, michael weaver wrote: > is there an alternative email application to mac mail for the mac? > i looked through my sent folder to try and locate email that i had received which disappeared from my inbox after a few days and i still couldn't find my lost email so i am left wondering if i should use a different email app for the mac? > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From weavermicha at googlemail.com Thu Nov 3 19:12:59 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 19:12:59 +0000 Subject: email applications and voiceover Message-ID: <4eb2e5d7.5b6be30a.5f59.4c78@mx.google.com> thanks for your email. i might have fixed the problem in mail but not sure until i get new email. i went into the mail preferences and got some message about invalid certificate and something about verifying servers and i think i may have had this problem before when i first used my macbook with leopard and mail. i checked the box for show certificate and there was some checkbox in the dialogue which i remembered checking last time to accept my mail server as a valid server. when i configured mail after doing a fresh install of mac osx with lion, my settings were downloaded from bt as imap when mail got the network settings. it seemed to insist on imap going through the automatic setup than pop. > ----- Original Message ----- >From: James AUSTIN To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Date sent: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 18:45:37 +0000 >Subject: Re: email applications and voiceover >Hi Michael, >There is Mozilla's Thunderbird, but I don't know if it is accessible. Also, i do not think it has been updated in some time. If you want to try it though, you can get it from here: >http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/ >I've also been thinking about your lost E-Mail, and m wondering if you're using POP (Post Office Protocol), to receive your messages. POP downloads your mail locally to your computer. So, when it is downloaded, it is no longer available on the server. Also, some mail services require you to set certain functions from the server side. Can you set the ability to see "Sent" messages from there? >TC :) >J >On 3 Nov 2011, at 18:37, michael weaver wrote: >> is there an alternative email application to mac mail for the mac? >> i looked through my sent folder to try and locate email that i had received which disappeared from my inbox after a few days and i still couldn't find my lost email so i am left wondering if i should use a different email app for the mac? >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> > or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net --- >To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >or at the public Mail Archive: >. >Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Hi! Don't know if anyone's touched on this already so sorry if I'm repeating what may have been written. Upon reading my local newspaper yesterday - the Mac column in particular - I learnt that Garage Band is now available for the iPhone, this is supposed to be a very new development. Garage band has been available for the iPad for quite some time now and of course available for the Mac computer itself. I'm left wondering whether the productivity apps such as Pages and Numbers will be made available forthe iPhone in time, they too are available for the iPad. -- sent from my HP Powerhouse Notebook. From niam.mckeown at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 21:07:15 2011 From: niam.mckeown at gmail.com (Niamh) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 21:07:15 -0000 Subject: Ipad2 instruction books or pdcasts References: <9B6D01AE49B94272A80121D03B2E70D4@Blossom> <14B2030B-BF76-4FDD-9614-0A8B7F86206C@mac.com> Message-ID: <0DF8F9252EF449AFB2D577E18EDFEBA8@Blossom> Hi Esther, Thank you so much for this really helpful. The vision Australia site is a revelation. Niamh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Ipad2 instruction books or pdcasts > Hi Rex and Niamh, > > Try the Vision Australia website for Instructional podcasts for using the > iPad with VoiceOver: > http://www.visionaustralia.org/info.aspx?page=2303 > > These were produced when the iPad 1 came out, so they won't cover the new > features specific to iOS 5, but they'll help with the orientation. > Another thing is that you can check is the Apple Web Accessibility site > for the iPad: > http://www.apple.com/accessibility/ipad/vision.html > > That includes the link to the accessible HTML version of the iPad user > guide: > http://help.apple.com/ipad/5/voiceover/en/ > > That guide also appears as a bookmark in the version of Safari loaded on > your device, or you can follow the instructions I posted about a week ago > on how to save a fast access link to a particular section of the guide as > an icon on your home screen for easy access. > > I use the secondary Mail Archive for this list to search for recent posts. > Go to the web page at: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access at mac-access.net > If you type a search into text box like: > from: Esther iPad user guide > and press return, you'll find a Google like list of links to matching > posts that I made on the subject, sorted by relevancy. You can also just > type in "iPad user guide" and press return, but in this case, since I know > I wrote a post on the subject, adding the argument "from:" (i.e., the word > "from" followed by a colon, and then the name of the poster), will narrow > the search results. > > Here's the top matching web page link when I typed in "iPad User Guide" > ? HTML versions of iOS 5 User Guides in different languages [was Re: iPod > Touch IOS 5 User Guide]: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access at mac-access.net/msg04374.html > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > > On Nov 2, 2011, at 15:19, rex holmes wrote: > >> I too have been looking for these. >> Rex >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niamh" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:27 PM >> Subject: Ipad2 instruction books or pdcasts >> >> >>> Can anybody direct me to these? >>> many thanks >>> niamh > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Nov 3 21:16:07 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane trethowan) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 08:16:07 +1100 Subject: A tip to save space on your IOS device Message-ID: <4EB30497.40001@internode.on.net> A friend has just alerted me to this on Twitter. When you add songs to your IOS device with Itunes you're also adding art work which can take up quite a bit of space. art Work is - as far as I know - such things as album covers for the album the song is from and so on. If you don't need to read the screen then why do you need to look at the art work , I'm yet to find out how this is done but I'm certainly going to remove all the Album Art Work from my Itunes library in order that I'm able to put more music onto my iPhone and Ipad, naturally this is something you don't need to concern yourself with if you're using a player independent of Itunes on your IOS device such as Oplayer.. -- sent from my HP Powerhouse Notebook. From moopiecurran at gmail.com Thu Nov 3 21:49:16 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 17:49:16 -0400 Subject: A tip to save space on your IOS device In-Reply-To: <4EB30497.40001@internode.on.net> References: <4EB30497.40001@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <7BD76AD5-ACC0-411D-B32A-F7A61B60B712@gmail.com> Hi, Where can all of the artwork be found, so I can go get rid of it? Courtney On 03/11/2011, at 5:16 in the Afternoon, Dane trethowan wrote: > A friend has just alerted me to this on Twitter. > > When you add songs to your IOS device with Itunes you're also adding art work which can take up quite a bit of space. art Work is - as far as I know - such things as album covers for the album the song is from and so on. > > If you don't need to read the screen then why do you need to look at the art work , I'm yet to find out how this is done but I'm certainly going to remove all the Album Art Work from my Itunes library in order that I'm able to put more music onto my iPhone and Ipad, naturally this is something you don't need to concern yourself with if you're using a player independent of Itunes on your IOS device such as Oplayer.. > > > -- > sent from my HP Powerhouse Notebook. > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Nov 3 22:07:33 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:07:33 +1100 Subject: A tip to save space on your IOS device In-Reply-To: <7BD76AD5-ACC0-411D-B32A-F7A61B60B712@gmail.com> References: <4EB30497.40001@internode.on.net> <7BD76AD5-ACC0-411D-B32A-F7A61B60B712@gmail.com> Message-ID: not sure at this time as I haven't had a chance to play with Itunes but I think there's an option somewhere which dictates whether Art Work is put onto your IOS device so I'd uncheck that first. I'm sure I've seen an "Album Artwork" in the Itunes folder on your computer but it may not be necessary to touch that. On 04/11/2011, at 8:49 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > Where can all of the artwork be found, so I can go get rid of it? > Courtney > On 03/11/2011, at 5:16 in the Afternoon, Dane trethowan wrote: > >> A friend has just alerted me to this on Twitter. >> >> When you add songs to your IOS device with Itunes you're also adding art work which can take up quite a bit of space. art Work is - as far as I know - such things as album covers for the album the song is from and so on. >> >> If you don't need to read the screen then why do you need to look at the art work , I'm yet to find out how this is done but I'm certainly going to remove all the Album Art Work from my Itunes library in order that I'm able to put more music onto my iPhone and Ipad, naturally this is something you don't need to concern yourself with if you're using a player independent of Itunes on your IOS device such as Oplayer.. >> >> >> -- >> sent from my HP Powerhouse Notebook. >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From roger.firman at btinternet.com Thu Nov 3 22:56:33 2011 From: roger.firman at btinternet.com (Roger Firman) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 22:56:33 -0000 Subject: Rapid Weaver Web design software Message-ID: Hello, I am wondering if anyone has experience of using Rapid Weaver? Someone mentioned this package to me today and I wondered if there are any people with experiences of its use on this list. Roger. From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Nov 3 23:17:57 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 10:17:57 +1100 Subject: Searching With YoruFukurou Message-ID: <96E4F498-D8FE-4344-B9C7-8199923CFD11@internode.on.net> Hi! I know this topic was covered just a week or so ago, how do you search using YoruFukurou? Forgotten. From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Nov 3 23:36:33 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 23:36:33 +0000 Subject: missing tweets with yorofukuru Message-ID: Hi all, Hard one to explain this so I hope you'll bear with me. Ok I'm following two people let's call them A and B. A has just retweeted a tweet posted by B. I didn't see the original tweet, even though I'm folllowing B. Even in "single user" view the tweet still didn't show up. I've noticed this a bit recently. Any thoughts as to why? D?nal From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Nov 3 23:47:06 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 23:47:06 +0000 Subject: missing tweets with yorofukuru In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01659ECB-C67A-4B80-AE28-12220FE62A98@computing.dcu.ie> I've just noticed a pattern. I follow (as an example) the BBC cricket correspondent Jonathan Agnew. It seems that when he mentions someone else in his tweets I don't get them. Same for others. On 3 Nov 2011, at 23:36, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi all, > > Hard one to explain this so I hope you'll bear with me. > > Ok I'm following two people let's call them A and B. A has just retweeted a tweet posted by B. I didn't see the original tweet, even though I'm folllowing B. Even in "single user" view the tweet still didn't show up. > > I've noticed this a bit recently. Any thoughts as to why? > > D?nal > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From zkline at speedpost.net Thu Nov 3 23:56:51 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 16:56:51 -0700 Subject: missing tweets with yorofukuru In-Reply-To: <01659ECB-C67A-4B80-AE28-12220FE62A98@computing.dcu.ie> References: <01659ECB-C67A-4B80-AE28-12220FE62A98@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Hi D?nal, I suspect this is a general twitter issue. You can decide whether or not you see all mentions someone makes or only mentions directed at you. In my experience though, you can see them all in the single user view. I think the default is to only see mentions directed at you, because presumably those only mentioning other people might not be of interest. Now, if you follow those other people you'll see the mentions. I believe this setting can be changed via the Twitter web site. Best, Zack. On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:47 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > I've just noticed a pattern. > > I follow (as an example) the BBC cricket correspondent Jonathan Agnew. It seems that when he mentions someone else in his tweets I don't get them. Same for others. > On 3 Nov 2011, at 23:36, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> Hard one to explain this so I hope you'll bear with me. >> >> Ok I'm following two people let's call them A and B. A has just retweeted a tweet posted by B. I didn't see the original tweet, even though I'm following B. Even in "single user" view the tweet still didn't show up. >> >> I've noticed this a bit recently. Any thoughts as to why? >> >> D?nal >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Thu Nov 3 23:57:20 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 23:57:20 +0000 Subject: New Member Welcome Message-ID: <39F15664-E8A6-486C-84ED-9BA238D46979@mac-access.net> Hello everybody It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. 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Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an eighty per cent discount. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Nov 3 23:59:43 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 23:59:43 +0000 Subject: missing tweets with yorofukuru In-Reply-To: References: <01659ECB-C67A-4B80-AE28-12220FE62A98@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Thank you Zach, as ever spot on. Now one more question. Any idea where on the twitter site one can change this? Thank you, D?nal On 3 Nov 2011, at 23:56, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi D?nal, > I suspect this is a general twitter issue. You can decide whether or not you see all mentions someone makes or only mentions directed at you. In my experience though, you can see them all in the single user view. I think the default is to only see mentions directed at you, because presumably those only mentioning other people might not be of interest. > Now, if you follow those other people you'll see the mentions. I believe this setting can be changed via the Twitter web site. > Best, > Zack. > On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:47 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> I've just noticed a pattern. >> >> I follow (as an example) the BBC cricket correspondent Jonathan Agnew. It seems that when he mentions someone else in his tweets I don't get them. Same for others. >> On 3 Nov 2011, at 23:36, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Hard one to explain this so I hope you'll bear with me. >>> >>> Ok I'm following two people let's call them A and B. A has just retweeted a tweet posted by B. I didn't see the original tweet, even though I'm following B. Even in "single user" view the tweet still didn't show up. >>> >>> I've noticed this a bit recently. Any thoughts as to why? >>> >>> D?nal >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Nov 4 00:08:08 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 00:08:08 +0000 Subject: Cocktail Registration [was Re: Registering a programme; I'm feeling really really Stupid!] In-Reply-To: References: <23D43C5F-5B9B-4DB9-8BCC-1F3CE0991062@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <77CBC8EF-8D6D-4DE8-9412-F2535899CDCE@mac-access.net> hello Esther Firstly, thank you for correcting my ambiguous subject line. See what I mean; we are guilty of this ourselves sometimes and that is why I always try to keep such reminders to the group as gentle as possible. :) On 3 Nov 2011, at 12:54, Esther wrote: ? As Colin says, when you bring up Cocktail the pane with the tabs for the menu options contains the information of the version number and then my name and the information "Single User License". After you purchase the product, you should have received an email message with a subject: Your registration information from: Maintain Yes, we do have that. ? I have a separate mail folder for Registrations that I keep for mail like this. As do we. In fact we compartmentalise ours a little further by keeping one box for Windows applications and another for Mac OSX. We also keep the same information in the form of text files (multiple copies) so that we can access the data even if we don't have direct access to our mailboxes when we need the info. Now that I have returned to something like sanity, I have deduced that, since I'm not seeing the "Register Cocktail" option in the Cocktail menu, I must have already registered the product. In other words it was, as a famous author once said, "Much a do about nothing". My fault, sorry about that. Lynne From zkline at speedpost.net Fri Nov 4 00:13:09 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 17:13:09 -0700 Subject: missing tweets with yorofukuru In-Reply-To: References: <01659ECB-C67A-4B80-AE28-12220FE62A98@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <0056E62C-B18F-4199-A641-3FDE438FFAC4@speedpost.net> Hi D?nal, Okay, I've done a bit of digging and think I have an answer to this. There are three types of tweets, mentions, @replies, and normal tweets. Mentions are where a person's account name is not at the beginning of a tweet, but merely somewhere in the middle. "Hello @D?nal," etc. These appear in the timelines of anyone following the sender of the mention. @replies have a person's twitter name at the start of them, and only appear in your timeline normally if you're following both sender and recipient. Regular tweets appear everywhere. So there is no setting you need to change, or if there is I couldn't find it. You should see both regular tweets and mentions, but not @replies unless you follow both parties involved. Hope this helps, Zack. On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi D?nal, > I suspect this is a general twitter issue. You can decide whether or not you see all mentions someone makes or only mentions directed at you. In my experience though, you can see them all in the single user view. I think the default is to only see mentions directed at you, because presumably those only mentioning other people might not be of interest. > Now, if you follow those other people you'll see the mentions. I believe this setting can be changed via the Twitter web site. > Best, > Zack. > On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:47 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> I've just noticed a pattern. >> >> I follow (as an example) the BBC cricket correspondent Jonathan Agnew. It seems that when he mentions someone else in his tweets I don't get them. Same for others. >> On 3 Nov 2011, at 23:36, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Hard one to explain this so I hope you'll bear with me. >>> >>> Ok I'm following two people let's call them A and B. A has just retweeted a tweet posted by B. I didn't see the original tweet, even though I'm following B. Even in "single user" view the tweet still didn't show up. >>> >>> I've noticed this a bit recently. Any thoughts as to why? >>> >>> D?nal >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Nov 4 00:18:40 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 00:18:40 +0000 Subject: missing tweets with yorofukuru In-Reply-To: References: <01659ECB-C67A-4B80-AE28-12220FE62A98@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <665BC1CF-C3E6-4ACD-A29F-9F88C3BF6D99@computing.dcu.ie> Aha, reading the timeline rules (something I should have done I freely admit) explains the problem. If A sends a tweet, and B replies and I am only following B, it would seem I won't see it as I'm not following A. Mystery solved. On 3 Nov 2011, at 23:59, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Thank you Zach, as ever spot on. Now one more question. Any idea where on the twitter site one can change this? > > Thank you, > > D?nal > On 3 Nov 2011, at 23:56, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi D?nal, >> I suspect this is a general twitter issue. You can decide whether or not you see all mentions someone makes or only mentions directed at you. In my experience though, you can see them all in the single user view. I think the default is to only see mentions directed at you, because presumably those only mentioning other people might not be of interest. >> Now, if you follow those other people you'll see the mentions. I believe this setting can be changed via the Twitter web site. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:47 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> I've just noticed a pattern. >>> >>> I follow (as an example) the BBC cricket correspondent Jonathan Agnew. It seems that when he mentions someone else in his tweets I don't get them. Same for others. >>> On 3 Nov 2011, at 23:36, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Hard one to explain this so I hope you'll bear with me. >>>> >>>> Ok I'm following two people let's call them A and B. A has just retweeted a tweet posted by B. I didn't see the original tweet, even though I'm following B. Even in "single user" view the tweet still didn't show up. >>>> >>>> I've noticed this a bit recently. Any thoughts as to why? >>>> >>>> D?nal >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Nov 4 00:18:01 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 00:18:01 +0000 Subject: missing tweets with yorofukuru In-Reply-To: References: <01659ECB-C67A-4B80-AE28-12220FE62A98@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Aha, reading the timeline rules (something I should have done I freely admit) explains the problem. If A sends a tweet, and B replies and I am only following B, it would seem I won't see it as I'm not following A. Mystery solved. On 3 Nov 2011, at 23:59, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Thank you Zach, as ever spot on. Now one more question. Any idea where on the twitter site one can change this? > > Thank you, > > D?nal > On 3 Nov 2011, at 23:56, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi D?nal, >> I suspect this is a general twitter issue. You can decide whether or not you see all mentions someone makes or only mentions directed at you. In my experience though, you can see them all in the single user view. I think the default is to only see mentions directed at you, because presumably those only mentioning other people might not be of interest. >> Now, if you follow those other people you'll see the mentions. I believe this setting can be changed via the Twitter web site. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:47 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> I've just noticed a pattern. >>> >>> I follow (as an example) the BBC cricket correspondent Jonathan Agnew. It seems that when he mentions someone else in his tweets I don't get them. Same for others. >>> On 3 Nov 2011, at 23:36, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Hard one to explain this so I hope you'll bear with me. >>>> >>>> Ok I'm following two people let's call them A and B. A has just retweeted a tweet posted by B. I didn't see the original tweet, even though I'm following B. Even in "single user" view the tweet still didn't show up. >>>> >>>> I've noticed this a bit recently. Any thoughts as to why? >>>> >>>> D?nal >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Nov 4 00:19:17 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 00:19:17 +0000 Subject: missing tweets with yorofukuru In-Reply-To: <0056E62C-B18F-4199-A641-3FDE438FFAC4@speedpost.net> References: <01659ECB-C67A-4B80-AE28-12220FE62A98@computing.dcu.ie> <0056E62C-B18F-4199-A641-3FDE438FFAC4@speedpost.net> Message-ID: Sorry to put you to the trouble Zach, I discovered exactly the same thing (as my previous mail says) it just got delayed sending through our work VPN. Cheers though. D?nal On 4 Nov 2011, at 00:13, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi D?nal, > Okay, I've done a bit of digging and think I have an answer to this. There are three types of tweets, mentions, @replies, and normal tweets. > Mentions are where a person's account name is not at the beginning of a tweet, but merely somewhere in the middle. "Hello @D?nal," etc. > These appear in the timelines of anyone following the sender of the mention. > @replies have a person's twitter name at the start of them, and only appear in your timeline normally if you're following both sender and recipient. > Regular tweets appear everywhere. > So there is no setting you need to change, or if there is I couldn't find it. You should see both regular tweets and mentions, but not @replies unless you follow both parties involved. > Hope this helps, > Zack. > On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi D?nal, >> I suspect this is a general twitter issue. You can decide whether or not you see all mentions someone makes or only mentions directed at you. In my experience though, you can see them all in the single user view. I think the default is to only see mentions directed at you, because presumably those only mentioning other people might not be of interest. >> Now, if you follow those other people you'll see the mentions. I believe this setting can be changed via the Twitter web site. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:47 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >>> I've just noticed a pattern. >>> >>> I follow (as an example) the BBC cricket correspondent Jonathan Agnew. It seems that when he mentions someone else in his tweets I don't get them. Same for others. >>> On 3 Nov 2011, at 23:36, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Hard one to explain this so I hope you'll bear with me. >>>> >>>> Ok I'm following two people let's call them A and B. A has just retweeted a tweet posted by B. I didn't see the original tweet, even though I'm following B. Even in "single user" view the tweet still didn't show up. >>>> >>>> I've noticed this a bit recently. Any thoughts as to why? >>>> >>>> D?nal >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> D?nal Fitzpatrick >>> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Nov 4 00:25:47 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 00:25:47 +0000 Subject: Rapid Weaver Web design software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Roger To the best of my knowledge it isn't accessible. We tried it and, certainly at that time, it wouldn't do a thing with VoiceOver. Lynne On 3 Nov 2011, at 22:56, Roger Firman wrote: Hello, I am wondering if anyone has experience of using Rapid Weaver? Someone mentioned this package to me today and I wondered if there are any people with experiences of its use on this list. From rattail4 at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 00:28:45 2011 From: rattail4 at gmail.com (Mike Welty) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 20:28:45 -0400 Subject: an update on my macBook's case Message-ID: <0A4E979822784FD7B9F057F2345119FB@MQUAD> Hey all, I posted a few weeks ago about how my macBook's case was starting to form a large bubble, well now it's gotten much worse. the whole left side of the case is starting to come away from the machine. Any suggestions on what do do about this would be greatful as I can't afford for something bad to happen to my mac. Is there any way I can contact apple about this, even though I don't have apple care? From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 01:16:34 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 18:16:34 -0700 Subject: Searching With YoruFukurou In-Reply-To: <96E4F498-D8FE-4344-B9C7-8199923CFD11@internode.on.net> References: <96E4F498-D8FE-4344-B9C7-8199923CFD11@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4DE9E0AA-FEBC-4DC6-8C09-8390A7291C3D@gmail.com> When I do it I do it at the empty tab to the right of the dm tab, how ever this is not searching twitter like I thought it would. It appears only to search my timeline and 2 or 3 results come up instead of the results I expect. On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > I know this topic was covered just a week or so ago, how do you search using YoruFukurou? Forgotten. > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Nov 4 01:29:27 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:29:27 +1100 Subject: Searching With YoruFukurou In-Reply-To: <4DE9E0AA-FEBC-4DC6-8C09-8390A7291C3D@gmail.com> References: <96E4F498-D8FE-4344-B9C7-8199923CFD11@internode.on.net> <4DE9E0AA-FEBC-4DC6-8C09-8390A7291C3D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <008DDA4C-0291-4E5F-8D6B-488A163ECB33@internode.on.net> Yep as I thought, there was another method discussed here on list which did what I wanted, searched for hash tags. On 04/11/2011, at 12:16 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > When I do it I do it at the empty tab to the right of the dm tab, how ever this is not searching twitter like I thought it would. It appears only to search my timeline and 2 or 3 results come up instead of the results I expect. > On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> I know this topic was covered just a week or so ago, how do you search using YoruFukurou? Forgotten. >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moopiecurran at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 01:47:11 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 21:47:11 -0400 Subject: The iOS Academy: Pushing Gmail To Your iOS Device In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8535555275310932372@unknownmsgid> Hi, This also works for hotmail accounts, instead of entering m.gmail.com for the server name, just enter m.hotmail.com, and it should work. It worked for me. Thanks for this tip. HTH, Courtney Sent from my iPad On 2 Nov 2011, at 11:28 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > this is a neat article on how to push your gmail instantly to your phone. This might be a no brainer for most of you though as there are a lot of computer techs on this list, how ever It is a good read and the steps are made easy to understand and explain for people like me who don't really know what an exchange server is lol! > > Enjoy > > http://onj.me/1lp > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Nov 4 02:02:56 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 13:02:56 +1100 Subject: Searching With YoruFukurou In-Reply-To: <008DDA4C-0291-4E5F-8D6B-488A163ECB33@internode.on.net> References: <96E4F498-D8FE-4344-B9C7-8199923CFD11@internode.on.net> <4DE9E0AA-FEBC-4DC6-8C09-8390A7291C3D@gmail.com> <008DDA4C-0291-4E5F-8D6B-488A163ECB33@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <29B2817F-6855-4353-8253-9C843EE18131@internode.on.net> Okay, found what I was looking for, command-P opens the appropriate dialogue and preferences to allow the user to do the trick . On 04/11/2011, at 12:29 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Yep as I thought, there was another method discussed here on list which did what I wanted, searched for hash tags. > > On 04/11/2011, at 12:16 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> When I do it I do it at the empty tab to the right of the dm tab, how ever this is not searching twitter like I thought it would. It appears only to search my timeline and 2 or 3 results come up instead of the results I expect. >> On Nov 3, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> I know this topic was covered just a week or so ago, how do you search using YoruFukurou? Forgotten. >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chantelle.griffiths at me.com Fri Nov 4 01:34:09 2011 From: chantelle.griffiths at me.com (Chantelle Griffiths) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 11:34:09 +1000 Subject: Garage band In-Reply-To: <4EB30389.1010409@internode.on.net> References: <4EB30389.1010409@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hi Dane, Pages and Numbers are available for the iPhone as universal apps and have been for a few months now. I have used both on my iPhone and they are accessible. I have used Garageband on my iPad but found it to be only somewhat accessible when it first came out. Admittedly I haven't done a lot with it since its last update so they may have made accessibility improvements since then. I haven't yet tried it on the iPhone. Cheers, Chantelle On 04/11/2011, at 7:11 AM, Dane trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > Don't know if anyone's touched on this already so sorry if I'm repeating what may have been written. > > Upon reading my local newspaper yesterday - the Mac column in particular - I learnt that Garage Band is now available for the iPhone, this is supposed to be a very new development. Garage band has been available for the iPad for quite some time now and of course available for the Mac computer itself. > > I'm left wondering whether the productivity apps such as Pages and Numbers will be made available forthe iPhone in time, they too are available for the iPad. > > > -- > sent from my HP Powerhouse Notebook. > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Fri Nov 4 02:42:58 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 02:42:58 +0000 Subject: Garage band In-Reply-To: References: <4EB30389.1010409@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <3FF6D6EF-2929-444D-B76C-9B96B14DA676@googlemail.com> hi all is there a tutorial any where i can get hold of to teach me to use gararge band as a beginner. Ian McNamara From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 03:36:37 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 20:36:37 -0700 Subject: Garage band In-Reply-To: <3FF6D6EF-2929-444D-B76C-9B96B14DA676@googlemail.com> References: <4EB30389.1010409@internode.on.net> <3FF6D6EF-2929-444D-B76C-9B96B14DA676@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <03C41332-4A08-4B19-88CD-35176DFBD596@gmail.com> Yeah there is. I can't find it but I posted a link to some tutorials that recardo walker did I tink some time yesterday? I remember not. On Nov 3, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Ian McNamara wrote: > hi all is there a tutorial any where i can get hold of to teach me to use gararge band as a beginner. > > Ian McNamara > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Fri Nov 4 05:30:39 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 00:30:39 -0500 Subject: Garagge Band tutorials Message-ID: <87730275-495B-40A7-BCB0-3E13C2B778B5@swbell.net> Hi someone requested these so I am going to repost them for their help. Hello. go here and download all 3 garage band demos made by recardo walker. ther eare also other demos. Keep this link handy as it is I think the best thing since sliced bread. http://macfortheblind.com/?page_id=25 From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Fri Nov 4 06:31:09 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 06:31:09 +0000 Subject: Garagge Band tutorials In-Reply-To: <87730275-495B-40A7-BCB0-3E13C2B778B5@swbell.net> References: <87730275-495B-40A7-BCB0-3E13C2B778B5@swbell.net> Message-ID: <4ACB3951-A55B-4DD9-AE70-DDB032ACDF2A@googlemail.com> hi thanks for these going to have a play with this i think i understand it a bit more now. Ian McNamara. From roger.firman at btinternet.com Fri Nov 4 07:54:47 2011 From: roger.firman at btinternet.com (Roger Firman) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 07:54:47 -0000 Subject: Rapid Weaver Web design software In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Dear Lynne, Many thanks for your reply. As a reminder, which package(s) are accessible for that type of work? I have to say my preference is to code from scratch, however, there are situations where one could save time. Regards, Roger. From harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk Fri Nov 4 11:07:16 2011 From: harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk (Ian Harrison) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:07:16 +0000 Subject: Twitter recommendation Message-ID: <7CF35178-C0C9-46BD-9D2B-323FC4387FAC@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Hi to all, I am about to dip my toe into twitter. Can you recomment an easy client that I can use from my Mac and iphone? with thanks Ianiphho From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Nov 4 11:25:11 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:25:11 +0000 Subject: Rapid Weaver Web design software In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <635AF61D-7DA6-47B6-9284-D69ECE311367@mac-access.net> Hello Roger To my knowledge there are no accessible packages of this type available for Mac OSX. We actually wrote about this some time ago and have been on the watch ever since for such a package. So fa, we have discovered nothing. Gordon wrote a message about this very subject to the group and somebody, possibly you, responded. Lynne On 4 Nov 2011, at 07:54, Roger Firman wrote: Dear Lynne, Many thanks for your reply. As a reminder, which package(s) are accessible for that type of work? I have to say my preference is to code from scratch, however, there are situations where one could save time. Regards, Roger. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Nov 4 11:28:35 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:28:35 +0000 Subject: Twitter recommendation In-Reply-To: <7CF35178-C0C9-46BD-9D2B-323FC4387FAC@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> References: <7CF35178-C0C9-46BD-9D2B-323FC4387FAC@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <7276911A-CB93-4972-95F9-156659A2CF72@mac-access.net> Hello Ian Despite all the talk about other clients, we still find Syrix the best for Mac OSX. Others will write and tell you that it doesn't support all functions. That's probably true; but for us, it works fine. Google it if you want to try it, or else I'll try and find our original disk image and send you it. Incidentally, feel free to add us if you like; our ID id maciosaccess and that goes for anybody else on list. Lynne On 4 Nov 2011, at 11:07, Ian Harrison wrote: Hi to all, I am about to dip my toe into twitter. Can you recomment an easy client that I can use from my Mac and iphone? with thanks Ianiphho <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Fri Nov 4 11:55:07 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 11:55:07 +0000 Subject: Twitter recommendation In-Reply-To: <7CF35178-C0C9-46BD-9D2B-323FC4387FAC@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> References: <7CF35178-C0C9-46BD-9D2B-323FC4387FAC@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <4EB3D29B.6040402@techno-chat.net> For the iPhone I use the official Twitter client. Thanks to iOS 5 which has native Twitter integration this means you can tweet from places like Safari but you can also manage your Twitter accounts easily as the official client can use the details stored in settings. On 04/11/2011 11:07, Ian Harrison wrote: > Hi to all, > > I am about to dip my toe into twitter. Can you recomment an easy client that I can use from my Mac and iphone? > > with thanks > Ianiphho > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Fri Nov 4 12:06:50 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:06:50 -0300 Subject: Fw: "Mac OSX lion: the missing manual" and accessibility. Message-ID: <0AFB53577E4740D7B821D023A5C87A17@CNIBnotebook> Hi Folks: For those who are interested: ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Pogue" To: "Jim Noseworthy" Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:35 PM Subject: Re: "Mac OSX lion: the missing manual" and accessibility. Hey Jim! Never thought of that.. I'll pass it along to the O'Reilly folks! Thanks for your interest! ---dp --------- David Pogue Tech Columnist, The New York Times www.davidpogue.com On Nov 3, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hi David: > > Thanks for the great job on the above mentioned book. > > There is a problem with your "missing Manual" series of epob books with > regards to accessibility. When the modifier keys are mentioned (option, > command, control, shift ETC.), there is a graphical representation of the > key instead of the actual key label. For those of us Blind folks who use > computer speech programs, that graphical representation is not recognized. > Would it be possible either to substitute the graphical representation > with the key labels themselves or, to place the corresponding key labels > in parentheses along wih the graphical representation? > > Thanks all over the place. > From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 13:12:30 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 13:12:30 +0000 Subject: Fwd: [access-uk] Interesting iPhone case with an integrated bluetooth keyboard References: <52FB33DED7C94C678C4ABA9B416668ED@AmroPC> Message-ID: Sorry for the forward but this case sure sounds interesting Begin forwarded message: > From: "Amro Bilal" > Subject: [access-uk] Interesting iPhone case with an integrated bluetooth keyboard > Date: November 4, 2011 12:59:45 PM GMT > To: > Reply-To: access-uk at freelists.org > > Hello iPhone owners, my cousin sent me this link about this case with an integrated bluetooth keyboard. Thought I'd share it. Sounds interesting. > > http://www.boxwave.com/iphone-4-cases-and-covers/keyboard-buddy-iphone-4-case/bwpdd/pkz-twvc/ > > Hope you find it of some use. > > Amro From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Fri Nov 4 14:14:48 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 11:14:48 -0300 Subject: iPad 2 question. Message-ID: Hi Gang: Does a new iPad 2 start speaking out of the box or does it have to be configured from iTunes? thanks gang. From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Fri Nov 4 15:46:22 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 15:46:22 +0000 Subject: iPad 2 question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4EB408CE.7010000@techno-chat.net> It's whether the iPad comes with iOS 5 preinstalled that allows it to speak out of the box. iPad 2 is no exception. So to clarify no matter the device, iOS 5 must be installed for it to speak out of the box. On 04/11/2011 14:14, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hi Gang: > > Does a new iPad 2 start speaking out of the box or does it have to be configured from iTunes? > > thanks gang. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Fri Nov 4 16:21:18 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 16:21:18 +0000 Subject: Possible bug in IM Plus, please try to duplicate Message-ID: <4EB410FE.1050806@techno-chat.net> Hello all. As the subject line says. Please try to duplicate the below. 1. Open IM Plus. 2. Double tap the actions button. 3. Double tap Send Voice Message. 4. Double tap the I agree button. 5. You should completely lose speech, and the iPhone acts as if it's not switched on, as for example the mute switch does nothing nor does the home button. Somehow you can get it back, but how I don't know! If you can duplicate this will be greatly appreciated. This is on an iPhone 4 running iOS 5. Thank you very much. Chat soon. From sadamahmed1992 at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 16:37:21 2011 From: sadamahmed1992 at gmail.com (Sadam Ahmed) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 03:37:21 +1100 Subject: IPad 2 Message-ID: <35CCDF86-BBD5-4A7F-A446-4F6503601A80@gmail.com> The iPad does indeed speak out of the box. All Apple products that ship out of Apple after the release of I o s 5 should be preloaded with the new OS. Kind regards, Sadam. Sent from my iPhone. From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Fri Nov 4 16:37:38 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 13:37:38 -0300 Subject: iPad 2 orientation lock question. Message-ID: Hi Folks: I seem to be having a problem locking the orientation on the iPad 2 with IOS 5. Is there something different here than choosing this option on an iPhone4? Thanks. From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Fri Nov 4 16:40:16 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 13:40:16 -0300 Subject: iPad 2 orientation lock question. References: Message-ID: <8A26216E1B604F7085FE62309C821973@CNIBnotebook> Hi Again folks: I've resolved the problem. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Noseworthy" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 1:37 PM Subject: iPad 2 orientation lock question. > Hi Folks: > > I seem to be having a problem locking the orientation on the iPad 2 with > IOS 5. Is there something different here than choosing this option on an > iPhone4? > > Thanks. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 16:47:34 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 12:47:34 -0400 Subject: Dock Questions Message-ID: <29698F1B-F0E7-462A-BF06-5D181C3739F7@gmail.com> I have three questions about the dock. 1. Where is that script you can use to add folders to the dock? Apparently I've lost it. 2. How do I move items around in the dock? 3. Is there a limit of items I can add to the dock? Thanks Jane From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Fri Nov 4 16:52:54 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:52:54 +0000 Subject: Twitter recommendation In-Reply-To: <7CF35178-C0C9-46BD-9D2B-323FC4387FAC@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> References: <7CF35178-C0C9-46BD-9D2B-323FC4387FAC@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi the mac is easy yoroo that is a really easy to use twitter cliant. Ian McNamara From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Fri Nov 4 16:58:43 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:58:43 +0000 Subject: Twitter recommendation In-Reply-To: <4EB3D29B.6040402@techno-chat.net> References: <7CF35178-C0C9-46BD-9D2B-323FC4387FAC@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> <4EB3D29B.6040402@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <415B640C-08B9-4DD8-AABF-2B5568918423@googlemail.com> hi chris how do you find that app mate? never found it yet. From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Fri Nov 4 17:01:03 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:01:03 -0300 Subject: iPad 2 and IOS 5 question. Message-ID: Hi Folks: What is there in the way of information out there concerning using iPad 2, voiceover, and IOS 5? Thanks all over the place gang. From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Fri Nov 4 17:19:20 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 17:19:20 +0000 Subject: Mini bluetooth keyboard and case Message-ID: <4EB41E98.40207@techno-chat.net> I have ordered this for my iPhone 4 which should be delivered tomorrow. It is the typetop Mini Bluetooth Keyboard case for iPhone 4. I don't have the direct URL but you can search for it on www.mobilefun.co.uk. Sounds pretty cool though. From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Fri Nov 4 17:37:22 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:37:22 +0000 Subject: Dock Questions In-Reply-To: <29698F1B-F0E7-462A-BF06-5D181C3739F7@gmail.com> References: <29698F1B-F0E7-462A-BF06-5D181C3739F7@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F7E4F36-141E-4129-82F2-48118C1CFAE0@virginmedia.com> Hi Jane! I can answer the move items question! When sitting on the item you wish to move just hold down option+command and then use the arrow keys! Vo will tell you the item your moving and what item your moving past! I've got my doc on the left and use the up and down arrows to move items and vo says text edit moved above Itunes for example! hth Colin On 4 Nov 2011, at 16:47, Jane wrote: > I have three questions about the dock. > > 1. Where is that script you can use to add folders to the dock? Apparently I've lost it. > > 2. How do I move items around in the dock? > > 3. Is there a limit of items I can add to the dock? > > > Thanks > > Jane > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 17:44:15 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 13:44:15 -0400 Subject: Dock Questions In-Reply-To: <4F7E4F36-141E-4129-82F2-48118C1CFAE0@virginmedia.com> References: <29698F1B-F0E7-462A-BF06-5D181C3739F7@gmail.com> <4F7E4F36-141E-4129-82F2-48118C1CFAE0@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <2ABD779D-FD98-4F32-94DE-9D2D2A268256@gmail.com> Thanks for explaining how to move items. It was easy. I'd done it before, but it had been so long! Now I have y apps listed the way I like, except for Launchpad, Finder, and Mission Control--they won't let me move those no matter *what* I try. Jane On Nov 4, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi Jane! > I can answer the move items question! > When sitting on the item you wish to move just hold down option+command and then use the arrow keys! > Vo will tell you the item your moving and what item your moving past! > I've got my doc on the left and use the up and down arrows to move items and vo says text edit moved above Itunes for example! > hth Colin > > On 4 Nov 2011, at 16:47, Jane wrote: > >> I have three questions about the dock. >> >> 1. Where is that script you can use to add folders to the dock? Apparently I've lost it. >> >> 2. How do I move items around in the dock? >> >> 3. Is there a limit of items I can add to the dock? >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Jane >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Fri Nov 4 17:50:17 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:50:17 +0000 Subject: Dock Questions In-Reply-To: <2ABD779D-FD98-4F32-94DE-9D2D2A268256@gmail.com> References: <29698F1B-F0E7-462A-BF06-5D181C3739F7@gmail.com> <4F7E4F36-141E-4129-82F2-48118C1CFAE0@virginmedia.com> <2ABD779D-FD98-4F32-94DE-9D2D2A268256@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jane! I'm still on snowy kitty! And I cannot move my finder either! I presume they are hard wired so people cannot move them! hth Colin On 4 Nov 2011, at 17:44, Jane wrote: > Thanks for explaining how to move items. It was easy. I'd done it before, but it had been so long! Now I have y apps listed the way I like, except for Launchpad, Finder, and Mission Control--they won't let me move those no matter *what* I try. > > Jane > > > > > On Nov 4, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > >> Hi Jane! >> I can answer the move items question! >> When sitting on the item you wish to move just hold down option+command and then use the arrow keys! >> Vo will tell you the item your moving and what item your moving past! >> I've got my doc on the left and use the up and down arrows to move items and vo says text edit moved above Itunes for example! >> hth Colin >> >> On 4 Nov 2011, at 16:47, Jane wrote: >> >>> I have three questions about the dock. >>> >>> 1. Where is that script you can use to add folders to the dock? Apparently I've lost it. >>> >>> 2. How do I move items around in the dock? >>> >>> 3. Is there a limit of items I can add to the dock? >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Jane >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Fri Nov 4 17:51:28 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 17:51:28 +0000 Subject: Twitter recommendation In-Reply-To: <415B640C-08B9-4DD8-AABF-2B5568918423@googlemail.com> References: <7CF35178-C0C9-46BD-9D2B-323FC4387FAC@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> <4EB3D29B.6040402@techno-chat.net> <415B640C-08B9-4DD8-AABF-2B5568918423@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4EB42620.20301@techno-chat.net> Well actually you can install it right through the Settings, Twitter feature. On 04/11/2011 16:58, Ian McNamara wrote: > hi chris how do you find that app mate? never found it yet. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From opensesame at me.com Fri Nov 4 18:16:20 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 14:16:20 -0400 Subject: Dock Questions In-Reply-To: <2ABD779D-FD98-4F32-94DE-9D2D2A268256@gmail.com> References: <29698F1B-F0E7-462A-BF06-5D181C3739F7@gmail.com> <4F7E4F36-141E-4129-82F2-48118C1CFAE0@virginmedia.com> <2ABD779D-FD98-4F32-94DE-9D2D2A268256@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Jane -- I'm not sure about the Finder icon, but if you don't use mission control or launchpad, you can remove them from the dock by highlighting them, pressing VO+SHift+M to bring up the shortcut menu, and then selecting to remove from dock. HTH, Bryan On Nov 4, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Jane wrote: > Thanks for explaining how to move items. It was easy. I'd done it before, but it had been so long! Now I have y apps listed the way I like, except for Launchpad, Finder, and Mission Control--they won't let me move those no matter *what* I try. > > Jane > > > > > On Nov 4, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > >> Hi Jane! >> I can answer the move items question! >> When sitting on the item you wish to move just hold down option+command and then use the arrow keys! >> Vo will tell you the item your moving and what item your moving past! >> I've got my doc on the left and use the up and down arrows to move items and vo says text edit moved above Itunes for example! >> hth Colin >> >> On 4 Nov 2011, at 16:47, Jane wrote: >> >>> I have three questions about the dock. >>> >>> 1. Where is that script you can use to add folders to the dock? Apparently I've lost it. >>> >>> 2. How do I move items around in the dock? >>> >>> 3. Is there a limit of items I can add to the dock? >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Jane >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 18:28:53 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 14:28:53 -0400 Subject: Dock Questions In-Reply-To: References: <29698F1B-F0E7-462A-BF06-5D181C3739F7@gmail.com> <4F7E4F36-141E-4129-82F2-48118C1CFAE0@virginmedia.com> <2ABD779D-FD98-4F32-94DE-9D2D2A268256@gmail.com> Message-ID: I don't know if I wangt to remove them yet. I don't relaly understand what they are for or how to access them. I keep dong so accidentally. Jane On Nov 4, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hi Jane -- I'm not sure about the Finder icon, but if you don't use mission control or launchpad, you can remove them from the dock by highlighting them, pressing VO+SHift+M to bring up the shortcut menu, and then selecting to remove from dock. > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Nov 4, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Jane wrote: > >> Thanks for explaining how to move items. It was easy. I'd done it before, but it had been so long! Now I have y apps listed the way I like, except for Launchpad, Finder, and Mission Control--they won't let me move those no matter *what* I try. >> >> Jane >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 4, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: >> >>> Hi Jane! >>> I can answer the move items question! >>> When sitting on the item you wish to move just hold down option+command and then use the arrow keys! >>> Vo will tell you the item your moving and what item your moving past! >>> I've got my doc on the left and use the up and down arrows to move items and vo says text edit moved above Itunes for example! >>> hth Colin >>> >>> On 4 Nov 2011, at 16:47, Jane wrote: >>> >>>> I have three questions about the dock. >>>> >>>> 1. Where is that script you can use to add folders to the dock? Apparently I've lost it. >>>> >>>> 2. How do I move items around in the dock? >>>> >>>> 3. Is there a limit of items I can add to the dock? >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Jane >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Fri Nov 4 19:20:01 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 19:20:01 +0000 Subject: Dock Questions In-Reply-To: References: <29698F1B-F0E7-462A-BF06-5D181C3739F7@gmail.com> <4F7E4F36-141E-4129-82F2-48118C1CFAE0@virginmedia.com> <2ABD779D-FD98-4F32-94DE-9D2D2A268256@gmail.com> Message-ID: <30C9172B-48AE-4E5D-AA8D-392125422974@virginmedia.com> Hi Jane! Well I've been looking around to find out about how many items you can add! Nothing I've found says there is a limit! And there is instructions to make the doc bigger or smaller if needed! So [And I'm only guessing] the amount of items will be defined by the amount of space you can give it! hth Colin On 4 Nov 2011, at 18:28, Jane wrote: > I don't know if I wangt to remove them yet. I don't relaly understand what they are for or how to access them. I keep dong so accidentally. > > Jane > > > > > On Nov 4, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: > >> Hi Jane -- I'm not sure about the Finder icon, but if you don't use mission control or launchpad, you can remove them from the dock by highlighting them, pressing VO+SHift+M to bring up the shortcut menu, and then selecting to remove from dock. >> >> HTH, >> Bryan >> >> On Nov 4, 2011, at 1:44 PM, Jane wrote: >> >>> Thanks for explaining how to move items. It was easy. I'd done it before, but it had been so long! Now I have y apps listed the way I like, except for Launchpad, Finder, and Mission Control--they won't let me move those no matter *what* I try. >>> >>> Jane >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 4, 2011, at 1:37 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Jane! >>>> I can answer the move items question! >>>> When sitting on the item you wish to move just hold down option+command and then use the arrow keys! >>>> Vo will tell you the item your moving and what item your moving past! >>>> I've got my doc on the left and use the up and down arrows to move items and vo says text edit moved above Itunes for example! >>>> hth Colin >>>> >>>> On 4 Nov 2011, at 16:47, Jane wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have three questions about the dock. >>>>> >>>>> 1. Where is that script you can use to add folders to the dock? Apparently I've lost it. >>>>> >>>>> 2. How do I move items around in the dock? >>>>> >>>>> 3. Is there a limit of items I can add to the dock? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Jane >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 20:42:17 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 13:42:17 -0700 Subject: Automatically import smaller iPhone 4S movies Message-ID: <46D2DBB5-9E00-4ECA-9E18-258240764F5D@gmail.com> this will cause you to use autimater but it I think will work. Automatically import smaller iPhone 4S movies The iPhone 4S shoots lovely 1080p movies, but there are times you want something smaller. To avoid constantly converting these movies, try this simple Automator workflow. http://onj.me/1m9 From moriond at mac.com Fri Nov 4 20:51:57 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2011 10:51:57 -1000 Subject: Dock Questions In-Reply-To: <30C9172B-48AE-4E5D-AA8D-392125422974@virginmedia.com> References: <29698F1B-F0E7-462A-BF06-5D181C3739F7@gmail.com> <4F7E4F36-141E-4129-82F2-48118C1CFAE0@virginmedia.com> <2ABD779D-FD98-4F32-94DE-9D2D2A268256@gmail.com> <30C9172B-48AE-4E5D-AA8D-392125422974@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <25EFC653-03EE-4770-ACE1-B64687382469@mac.com> Hi Jane, Colin and Bryan have answered some of your questions. AFAIK there's no limit to items you can add to the dock, although personally I've been annoyed by the App Store behavior of adding every new app I might get to the dock -- I usually only keep the apps that I access frequently in the dock. Starting with Snow Leopard, you no longer need the separate application and script to add items to the dock; just select the item(s) in Finder and use the shortcut Command+Shift+T. (I had to re-assign the shortcut I used with Spark for my customized AppleScript to announce the time, since I set that up back in Leopard when Command+Shift+T didn't overlap with anything I wanted to use.) However, for anyone who is running Tiger or Leopard and wants to put items into the dock, you can get this from Tim Kilburn's VoiceOver Downloads page: http://web.me.com/kilburns/voiceover/downloads.html It's listed under Finder "Put Items on the Dock: Lets you add folders, files, servers and such to the dock" with the download link immediately after. The original script for "AddItemToDock" is from Lucid Systems: http://www.lucidsystems.co.nz/projects/additemtodock/index It showed up under the software listings pages that Apple maintained some years ago, and we wrote an Automator wrapper around it to let this work under Tiger and Leopard so people could use it transparently without having to launch Terminal and use the command line. I'm pretty sure the this works for both Tiger and Leopard, since I sent him the Automator workflow for Tiger, he checked it for Leopard compatibility, and sent me back the amended workflow again for checking before posting it at the download site. The download link comes with full instructions and the AddItemToDock script that Lucid Systems made available. HTH. Cheers, Esther >>>>> On 4 Nov 2011, at 16:47, Jane wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have three questions about the dock. >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Where is that script you can use to add folders to the dock? Apparently I've lost it. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. How do I move items around in the dock? >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Is there a limit of items I can add to the dock? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Jane From juanitatighan at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 21:35:15 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:35:15 -0400 Subject: Dock Questions In-Reply-To: <25EFC653-03EE-4770-ACE1-B64687382469@mac.com> References: <29698F1B-F0E7-462A-BF06-5D181C3739F7@gmail.com> <4F7E4F36-141E-4129-82F2-48118C1CFAE0@virginmedia.com> <2ABD779D-FD98-4F32-94DE-9D2D2A268256@gmail.com> <30C9172B-48AE-4E5D-AA8D-392125422974@virginmedia.com> <25EFC653-03EE-4770-ACE1-B64687382469@mac.com> Message-ID: <6375BA63-1491-4B7A-B5BF-70F919723A3A@gmail.com> Thank you. I didn't realize that command existed. There. Now my Applications folder is right where it ought to be--in alphabetical order alongside the other folders. :) I tend to remove items from the dock that I don't use frequently, and that's been all the stuff I downloaded from the App Store. It's not for me, most of it, it's for my daughter, so I don't need it on the dock. Thanks again. Jane On Nov 4, 2011, at 4:51 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Jane, > > Colin and Bryan have answered some of your questions. AFAIK there's no limit to items you can add to the dock, although personally I've been annoyed by the App Store behavior of adding every new app I might get to the dock -- I usually only keep the apps that I access frequently in the dock. > > Starting with Snow Leopard, you no longer need the separate application and script to add items to the dock; just select the item(s) in Finder and use the shortcut Command+Shift+T. (I had to re-assign the shortcut I used with Spark for my customized AppleScript to announce the time, since I set that up back in Leopard when Command+Shift+T didn't overlap with anything I wanted to use.) However, for anyone who is running Tiger or Leopard and wants to put items into the dock, you can get this from Tim Kilburn's VoiceOver Downloads page: > http://web.me.com/kilburns/voiceover/downloads.html > It's listed under Finder "Put Items on the Dock: Lets you add folders, files, servers and such to the dock" with the download link immediately after. > > The original script for "AddItemToDock" is from Lucid Systems: > http://www.lucidsystems.co.nz/projects/additemtodock/index > > It showed up under the software listings pages that Apple maintained some years ago, and we wrote an Automator wrapper around it to let this work under Tiger and Leopard so people could use it transparently without having to launch Terminal and use the command line. I'm pretty sure the this works for both Tiger and Leopard, since I sent him the Automator workflow for Tiger, he checked it for Leopard compatibility, and sent me back the amended workflow again for checking before posting it at the download site. The download link comes with full instructions and the AddItemToDock script that Lucid Systems made available. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > > >>>>>> On 4 Nov 2011, at 16:47, Jane wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I have three questions about the dock. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Where is that script you can use to add folders to the dock? Apparently I've lost it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2. How do I move items around in the dock? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 3. Is there a limit of items I can add to the dock? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jane > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Fri Nov 4 23:38:44 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 19:38:44 -0400 Subject: Dashboard Question Message-ID: Somehow the city in the Weather Wiget in the dashboard is set to Atlanta. How do I change it to Philadelphia, PA? Jane From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Fri Nov 4 23:45:55 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 20:45:55 -0300 Subject: iPhone 4s and iPad 2. Message-ID: <2F0CB50B7AE643E79E4254EC5428D007@MainComputer> Hello Folks: >From a Blind person's perspective: is there any advantage of owning an iPad 2 rather than an iPhone 4S? I have them both here but I can't honestly see the advantage of owning an iPad 2. Any help would be appreciated all over the place. The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy Spirit, in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6602 (20111104) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com From zkline at speedpost.net Fri Nov 4 23:51:52 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:51:52 -0700 Subject: Dashboard Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5D6755A9-5DE9-435C-B865-9DAB2450D079@speedpost.net> Hi Jane, At the bottom of the weather widget is an Info button. Hit that and you'll be able to enter your city and state. Hope this helps, Zack. On Nov 4, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Jane wrote: > Somehow the city in the Weather Wiget in the dashboard is set to Atlanta. How do I change it to Philadelphia, PA? > > Jane > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sat Nov 5 00:21:58 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 00:21:58 +0000 Subject: iPhone 4s and iPad 2. In-Reply-To: <2F0CB50B7AE643E79E4254EC5428D007@MainComputer> References: <2F0CB50B7AE643E79E4254EC5428D007@MainComputer> Message-ID: <4EB481A6.6010902@techno-chat.net> Agreed. The iPad 2 is I think geared towards the sighted due to the larger screen. But I could be wrong. On 04/11/2011 23:45, Jim Noseworthy wrote: > Hello Folks: > >> From a Blind person's perspective: is there any advantage of owning an iPad 2 rather than an iPhone 4S? I have them both here but I can't honestly see the advantage of owning an iPad 2. > > Any help would be appreciated all over the place. > > > The triune God created human kind to participate, through the Holy Spirit, in the incarnate Son's communion with the Father. > > > __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6602 (20111104) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > > http://www.eset.com > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sat Nov 5 00:36:33 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 00:36:33 +0000 Subject: Chime Message-ID: <4EB48511.8040908@techno-chat.net> I found this on the Applevis website. It is a free app to basically chime in certain ways. For example you can chime on the hour or half hour, speak the time or play a musical chord, set when the chimes should start and stop, etc. Enjoy. From juanitatighan at gmail.com Sat Nov 5 02:20:39 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 22:20:39 -0400 Subject: Dashboard Question In-Reply-To: <5D6755A9-5DE9-435C-B865-9DAB2450D079@speedpost.net> References: <5D6755A9-5DE9-435C-B865-9DAB2450D079@speedpost.net> Message-ID: <6758508F-499D-4576-9B73-866A9B889F3B@gmail.com> Just fixed it Thanks! Jane On Nov 4, 2011, at 7:51 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Jane, > At the bottom of the weather widget is an Info button. Hit that and you'll be able to enter your city and state. > Hope this helps, > Zack. > On Nov 4, 2011, at 4:38 PM, Jane wrote: > >> Somehow the city in the Weather Wiget in the dashboard is set to Atlanta. How do I change it to Philadelphia, PA? >> >> Jane >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From weavermicha at googlemail.com Sat Nov 5 05:24:30 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 05:24:30 +0000 Subject: loss of feedback on i-phone 4 Message-ID: <4eb4c6a4.4539e30a.7e76.6f47@mx.google.com> can anyone help me on this one. i showed someone my i-phone yesterday as they offered to keep in contact with me. however voiceover said muting when she turned it in a certain way so i thought that my whole speech had stopped. voiceover is still working but i don't get any feedback anymore when entering text etc so although i hear voiceover, i don't get the clicks or tones when entering text or even error messages. i tried putting the setting back with a reset after going through my settings, keyboard, accessibility, etc and finding nothing and i also looked under general and although my reset asked me if i just wanted to restore my settings, my i-phone decided to again go through the setup process and i am still not getting sounds after doing a backup from i-cloud. where do i need to look under in order to restore keyboard settings? it is a pain when typing and me being left wondering if things are being entered correctly and i have lost the clicks when entering passwords for example? i looked at something called keyboard clicks and that was on so it is a bit strange i have not been able to put things back as they were. From weavermicha at googlemail.com Sat Nov 5 05:47:14 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 05:47:14 +0000 Subject: what a fool Message-ID: <4eb4cbf8.0167b40a.43d8.2a42@mx.google.com> sorry for my previous posting. i feel a bit of a fool. just after checking all my settings i thought i would check my mute switch on the side of my phone and it was in the wrong position so that is why i wasn't getting any audible feedback while navigating my i-phone. i have ended up wasting my time restoring my settings and the problem could have been resolved in a few seconds. no wonder i heard it say muting when my new friend was trying to get me to store their number. she must have flicked the mute switch before handing it back to me. From michaelandjeanie at aapt.net.au Sat Nov 5 09:06:32 2011 From: michaelandjeanie at aapt.net.au (michael) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 20:06:32 +1100 Subject: os 5 question. Message-ID: Hi guys I run a iphone 3gs and since installing the os 5 i have found it slugish and seams to drain the battery quicker. Plus it happens a bit wen I am in the middle of typing a text message voice over gets very slow and slugish then it stops talking for a few seconds then it takes me out ofmy text message and puts me on the home screen. Please any idea's to help please guys. cheers Michael. From terrycooper10 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 5 15:12:36 2011 From: terrycooper10 at hotmail.com (Terry Cooper) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:12:36 +0000 Subject: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi all When I dial up my voicemail on the iphone, and I have to choose options for either listening to a message, deleting messages etc, I don't know how to press any of the numbers required to do any of the above. How do people achieve this on the iphone. Thanks. Terry From rattail4 at gmail.com Sat Nov 5 15:27:59 2011 From: rattail4 at gmail.com (Mike Welty) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 11:27:59 -0400 Subject: loss of feedback on i-phone 4 In-Reply-To: <4eb4c6a4.4539e30a.7e76.6f47@mx.google.com> References: <4eb4c6a4.4539e30a.7e76.6f47@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <73FBC7B8588740D1B53DC6C4F26A0538@MQUAD> Check the silent mode switch above the volume buttons. if that switch is towards the back of the phone flick it so it points more towards the screen. this is a hardware thing not a software thing -------------------------------------------------- From: "michael weaver" Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 1:24 To: Subject: loss of feedback on i-phone 4 > can anyone help me on this one. > i showed someone my i-phone yesterday as they offered to keep in contact > with me. > however voiceover said muting when she turned it in a certain way so i > thought that my whole speech had stopped. > voiceover is still working but i don't get any feedback anymore when > entering text etc so although i hear voiceover, i don't get the clicks or > tones when entering text or even error messages. > i tried putting the setting back with a reset after going through my > settings, keyboard, accessibility, etc and finding nothing and i also > looked under general and although my reset asked me if i just wanted to > restore my settings, my i-phone decided to again go through the setup > process and i am still not getting sounds after doing a backup from > i-cloud. > where do i need to look under in order to restore keyboard settings? > it is a pain when typing and me being left wondering if things are being > entered correctly and i have lost the clicks when entering passwords for > example? > i looked at something called keyboard clicks and that was on so it is a > bit strange i have not been able to put things back as they were. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat Nov 5 15:41:34 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:41:34 +0000 Subject: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7EF7E29A-A854-41E6-B0E2-5DEFE8BCD7B1@mac-access.net> Hi Terry Locate the number you're looking for with one finger. Once Voice Over announces it, you can then tap anywhere on the screen with another finger to activate the button and make your selection. Think of it like double-clicking a mouse. You can use the same technique for opening apps and other iOS elements. TC :) J On 5 Nov 2011, at 15:12, Terry Cooper wrote: > Hi all > > When I dial up my voicemail on the iphone, and I have to choose options for > either listening to a message, deleting messages etc, I don't know how > to > press any of the numbers required to do any of the above. > How do people achieve this on the iphone. > Thanks. > Terry > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Sat Nov 5 15:51:41 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 11:51:41 -0400 Subject: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2CB313A3-0EAA-4AA6-B788-5D0C25500ED3@gmail.com> Are you referring to dialing up your home voice mail or the voice mail you've received on your phone? On Nov 5, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Terry Cooper wrote: Hi all When I dial up my voicemail on the iphone, and I have to choose options for either listening to a message, deleting messages etc, I don't know how to press any of the numbers required to do any of the above. How do people achieve this on the iphone. Thanks. Terry <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: -- Marcy marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com From terrycooper10 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 5 15:55:04 2011 From: terrycooper10 at hotmail.com (Terry Cooper) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:55:04 +0000 Subject: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES In-Reply-To: <7EF7E29A-A854-41E6-B0E2-5DEFE8BCD7B1@mac-access.net> References: <7EF7E29A-A854-41E6-B0E2-5DEFE8BCD7B1@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Sorry, I should have said, I have tried that, but I can't hear vo when the voicemail is talking. Terry -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of James AUSTIN Sent: 05 November 2011 15:42 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES Hi Terry Locate the number you're looking for with one finger. Once Voice Over announces it, you can then tap anywhere on the screen with another finger to activate the button and make your selection. Think of it like double-clicking a mouse. You can use the same technique for opening apps and other iOS elements. TC :) J On 5 Nov 2011, at 15:12, Terry Cooper wrote: > Hi all > > When I dial up my voicemail on the iphone, and I have to choose options for > either listening to a message, deleting messages etc, I don't know > how to > press any of the numbers required to do any of the above. > How do people achieve this on the iphone. > Thanks. > Terry > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From terrycooper10 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 5 15:56:27 2011 From: terrycooper10 at hotmail.com (Terry Cooper) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 15:56:27 +0000 Subject: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES In-Reply-To: <2CB313A3-0EAA-4AA6-B788-5D0C25500ED3@gmail.com> References: <2CB313A3-0EAA-4AA6-B788-5D0C25500ED3@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi I'm referring to dialling up my Vodafone voicemail using the iphone. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Marcy Weinberg Sent: 05 November 2011 15:52 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES Are you referring to dialing up your home voice mail or the voice mail you've received on your phone? On Nov 5, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Terry Cooper wrote: Hi all When I dial up my voicemail on the iphone, and I have to choose options for either listening to a message, deleting messages etc, I don't know how to press any of the numbers required to do any of the above. How do people achieve this on the iphone. Thanks. Terry <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: -- Marcy marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat Nov 5 16:00:39 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 16:00:39 +0000 Subject: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES In-Reply-To: References: <7EF7E29A-A854-41E6-B0E2-5DEFE8BCD7B1@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <8FC49CEE-024E-4D3A-BCC8-F2B91C2129EB@mac-access.net> Hi Terry, On 5 Nov 2011, at 15:55, Terry Cooper wrote: > Sorry, I should have said, I have tried that, but I can't hear vo when the > voicemail is talking. Yes, I thought this might be the case. I get the same issue. The easiest way I've found to circumvent the problem is to wear headphones, if at all possible. Perhaps not the most elegant method, but it certainly works. I think there may be a slight issue with the automatic sensor picking up where the phone is in relation to your ear. HTH TC :) J > Hi > > Sorry, I should have said, I have tried that, but I can't hear vo when the > voicemail is talking. > > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of James AUSTIN > Sent: 05 November 2011 15:42 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES > > Hi Terry > > Locate the number you're looking for with one finger. Once Voice Over > announces it, you can then tap anywhere on the screen with another finger to > activate the button and make your selection. Think of it like > double-clicking a mouse. You can use the same technique for opening apps and > other iOS elements. > > TC :) > J > On 5 Nov 2011, at 15:12, Terry Cooper wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> When I dial up my voicemail on the iphone, and I have to choose options > for >> either listening to a message, deleting messages etc, I don't know >> how to >> press any of the numbers required to do any of the above. >> How do people achieve this on the iphone. >> Thanks. >> Terry >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From terrycooper10 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 5 16:14:51 2011 From: terrycooper10 at hotmail.com (Terry Cooper) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 16:14:51 +0000 Subject: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES In-Reply-To: <8FC49CEE-024E-4D3A-BCC8-F2B91C2129EB@mac-access.net> References: <7EF7E29A-A854-41E6-B0E2-5DEFE8BCD7B1@mac-access.net> <8FC49CEE-024E-4D3A-BCC8-F2B91C2129EB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi It doesn't make any difference if the phone is by my ear or I move it away so it goes on loud speaker. The iphone is good, but I just don't like it so much just for using as a phone. Terry -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of James AUSTIN Sent: 05 November 2011 16:01 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES Hi Terry, On 5 Nov 2011, at 15:55, Terry Cooper wrote: > Sorry, I should have said, I have tried that, but I can't hear vo when > the voicemail is talking. Yes, I thought this might be the case. I get the same issue. The easiest way I've found to circumvent the problem is to wear headphones, if at all possible. Perhaps not the most elegant method, but it certainly works. I think there may be a slight issue with the automatic sensor picking up where the phone is in relation to your ear. HTH TC :) J > Hi > > Sorry, I should have said, I have tried that, but I can't hear vo when > the voicemail is talking. > > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of James AUSTIN > Sent: 05 November 2011 15:42 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES > > Hi Terry > > Locate the number you're looking for with one finger. Once Voice Over > announces it, you can then tap anywhere on the screen with another > finger to activate the button and make your selection. Think of it > like double-clicking a mouse. You can use the same technique for > opening apps and other iOS elements. > > TC :) > J > On 5 Nov 2011, at 15:12, Terry Cooper wrote: > >> Hi all >> >> When I dial up my voicemail on the iphone, and I have to choose >> options > for >> either listening to a message, deleting messages etc, I don't know >> how to >> press any of the numbers required to do any of the above. >> How do people achieve this on the iphone. >> Thanks. >> Terry >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting > the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Sat Nov 5 16:16:54 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 16:16:54 +0000 Subject: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES In-Reply-To: <8FC49CEE-024E-4D3A-BCC8-F2B91C2129EB@mac-access.net> References: <7EF7E29A-A854-41E6-B0E2-5DEFE8BCD7B1@mac-access.net> <8FC49CEE-024E-4D3A-BCC8-F2B91C2129EB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <2998296F-9B1E-445D-9550-C726EC0F3153@virginmedia.com> Hi there! I thought someone said that apple have made vo go through the earpiece instead of the loudspeaker! If this is the case trying to listen and navigate the screen will be very hard! And yes the best method I've found is indeed using headphones! Colin On 5 Nov 2011, at 16:00, James AUSTIN wrote: > Hi Terry, > On 5 Nov 2011, at 15:55, Terry Cooper wrote: >> Sorry, I should have said, I have tried that, but I can't hear vo when the >> voicemail is talking. > Yes, I thought this might be the case. I get the same issue. The easiest way I've found to circumvent the problem is to wear headphones, if at all possible. Perhaps not the most elegant method, but it certainly works. I think there may be a slight issue with the automatic sensor picking up where the phone is in relation to your ear. > HTH > TC :) > J >> Hi >> >> Sorry, I should have said, I have tried that, but I can't hear vo when the >> voicemail is talking. >> >> Terry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of James AUSTIN >> Sent: 05 November 2011 15:42 >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Re: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES >> >> Hi Terry >> >> Locate the number you're looking for with one finger. Once Voice Over >> announces it, you can then tap anywhere on the screen with another finger to >> activate the button and make your selection. Think of it like >> double-clicking a mouse. You can use the same technique for opening apps and >> other iOS elements. >> >> TC :) >> J >> On 5 Nov 2011, at 15:12, Terry Cooper wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> When I dial up my voicemail on the iphone, and I have to choose options >> for >>> either listening to a message, deleting messages etc, I don't know >>> how to >>> press any of the numbers required to do any of the above. >>> How do people achieve this on the iphone. >>> Thanks. >>> Terry >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat Nov 5 16:18:24 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 16:18:24 +0000 Subject: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES In-Reply-To: References: <7EF7E29A-A854-41E6-B0E2-5DEFE8BCD7B1@mac-access.net> <8FC49CEE-024E-4D3A-BCC8-F2B91C2129EB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Terry, On 5 Nov 2011, at 16:14, Terry Cooper wrote: > It doesn't make any difference if the phone is by my ear or I move it away > so it goes on loud speaker. > Have you tried it with headphones? > The iphone is good, but I just don't like it so much just for using as a I think the iPhone is certainly an excellent product, by far the most accessible phone I've ever used. Having said that though, I think some of its other features are stronger than its phone application. TC :) James > Hi > > It doesn't make any difference if the phone is by my ear or I move it away > so it goes on loud speaker. > > The iphone is good, but I just don't like it so much just for using as a > phone. > > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of James AUSTIN > Sent: 05 November 2011 16:01 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES > > Hi Terry, > On 5 Nov 2011, at 15:55, Terry Cooper wrote: >> Sorry, I should have said, I have tried that, but I can't hear vo when >> the voicemail is talking. > Yes, I thought this might be the case. I get the same issue. The easiest way > I've found to circumvent the problem is to wear headphones, if at all > possible. Perhaps not the most elegant method, but it certainly works. I > think there may be a slight issue with the automatic sensor picking up where > the phone is in relation to your ear. > HTH > TC :) > J >> Hi >> >> Sorry, I should have said, I have tried that, but I can't hear vo when >> the voicemail is talking. >> >> Terry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of James AUSTIN >> Sent: 05 November 2011 15:42 >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Re: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES >> >> Hi Terry >> >> Locate the number you're looking for with one finger. Once Voice Over >> announces it, you can then tap anywhere on the screen with another >> finger to activate the button and make your selection. Think of it >> like double-clicking a mouse. You can use the same technique for >> opening apps and other iOS elements. >> >> TC :) >> J >> On 5 Nov 2011, at 15:12, Terry Cooper wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> When I dial up my voicemail on the iphone, and I have to choose >>> options >> for >>> either listening to a message, deleting messages etc, I don't know >>> how to >>> press any of the numbers required to do any of the above. >>> How do people achieve this on the iphone. >>> Thanks. >>> Terry >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus >> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting >> the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From terrycooper10 at hotmail.com Sat Nov 5 16:21:35 2011 From: terrycooper10 at hotmail.com (Terry Cooper) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 16:21:35 +0000 Subject: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES In-Reply-To: References: <7EF7E29A-A854-41E6-B0E2-5DEFE8BCD7B1@mac-access.net><8FC49CEE-024E-4D3A-BCC8-F2B91C2129EB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi No, I've not tried earphones, but I'll give it a go. That said, it isn't always going to be possible, e.g. not always having earphones to hand. Thanks.# Terry -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of James AUSTIN Sent: 05 November 2011 16:18 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES Hi Terry, On 5 Nov 2011, at 16:14, Terry Cooper wrote: > It doesn't make any difference if the phone is by my ear or I move it > away so it goes on loud speaker. > Have you tried it with headphones? > The iphone is good, but I just don't like it so much just for using as > a I think the iPhone is certainly an excellent product, by far the most accessible phone I've ever used. Having said that though, I think some of its other features are stronger than its phone application. TC :) James > Hi > > It doesn't make any difference if the phone is by my ear or I move it > away so it goes on loud speaker. > > The iphone is good, but I just don't like it so much just for using as > a phone. > > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of James AUSTIN > Sent: 05 November 2011 16:01 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES > > Hi Terry, > On 5 Nov 2011, at 15:55, Terry Cooper wrote: >> Sorry, I should have said, I have tried that, but I can't hear vo >> when the voicemail is talking. > Yes, I thought this might be the case. I get the same issue. The > easiest way I've found to circumvent the problem is to wear > headphones, if at all possible. Perhaps not the most elegant method, > but it certainly works. I think there may be a slight issue with the > automatic sensor picking up where the phone is in relation to your ear. > HTH > TC :) > J >> Hi >> >> Sorry, I should have said, I have tried that, but I can't hear vo >> when the voicemail is talking. >> >> Terry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of James AUSTIN >> Sent: 05 November 2011 15:42 >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Re: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES >> >> Hi Terry >> >> Locate the number you're looking for with one finger. Once Voice Over >> announces it, you can then tap anywhere on the screen with another >> finger to activate the button and make your selection. Think of it >> like double-clicking a mouse. You can use the same technique for >> opening apps and other iOS elements. >> >> TC :) >> J >> On 5 Nov 2011, at 15:12, Terry Cooper wrote: >> >>> Hi all >>> >>> When I dial up my voicemail on the iphone, and I have to choose >>> options >> for >>> either listening to a message, deleting messages etc, I don't know >>> how to press any of the numbers required to do any of the above. >>> How do people achieve this on the iphone. >>> Thanks. >>> Terry >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus >> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting >> the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting > the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat Nov 5 16:34:57 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 16:34:57 +0000 Subject: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES In-Reply-To: References: <7EF7E29A-A854-41E6-B0E2-5DEFE8BCD7B1@mac-access.net><8FC49CEE-024E-4D3A-BCC8-F2B91C2129EB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Terry, On 5 Nov 2011, at 16:21, Terry Cooper wrote: > That said, it isn't always going to be possible, e.g. not always having > earphones to hand. No, that's true, but it does seem to be the best way to get around your problem for the moment. let us know how you get on. TC :) james > Hi > > No, I've not tried earphones, but I'll give it a go. > > That said, it isn't always going to be possible, e.g. not always having > earphones to hand. > > Thanks.# > > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of James AUSTIN > Sent: 05 November 2011 16:18 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES > > Hi Terry, > On 5 Nov 2011, at 16:14, Terry Cooper wrote: >> It doesn't make any difference if the phone is by my ear or I move it >> away so it goes on loud speaker. >> > Have you tried it with headphones? > >> The iphone is good, but I just don't like it so much just for using as >> a > I think the iPhone is certainly an excellent product, by far the most > accessible phone I've ever used. Having said that though, I think some of > its other features are stronger than its phone application. > > TC :) > James >> Hi >> >> It doesn't make any difference if the phone is by my ear or I move it >> away so it goes on loud speaker. >> >> The iphone is good, but I just don't like it so much just for using as >> a phone. >> >> Terry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of James AUSTIN >> Sent: 05 November 2011 16:01 >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Re: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES >> >> Hi Terry, >> On 5 Nov 2011, at 15:55, Terry Cooper wrote: >>> Sorry, I should have said, I have tried that, but I can't hear vo >>> when the voicemail is talking. >> Yes, I thought this might be the case. I get the same issue. The >> easiest way I've found to circumvent the problem is to wear >> headphones, if at all possible. Perhaps not the most elegant method, >> but it certainly works. I think there may be a slight issue with the >> automatic sensor picking up where the phone is in relation to your ear. >> HTH >> TC :) >> J >>> Hi >>> >>> Sorry, I should have said, I have tried that, but I can't hear vo >>> when the voicemail is talking. >>> >>> Terry >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >>> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of James AUSTIN >>> Sent: 05 November 2011 15:42 >>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>> Subject: Re: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES >>> >>> Hi Terry >>> >>> Locate the number you're looking for with one finger. Once Voice Over >>> announces it, you can then tap anywhere on the screen with another >>> finger to activate the button and make your selection. Think of it >>> like double-clicking a mouse. You can use the same technique for >>> opening apps and other iOS elements. >>> >>> TC :) >>> J >>> On 5 Nov 2011, at 15:12, Terry Cooper wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all >>>> >>>> When I dial up my voicemail on the iphone, and I have to choose >>>> options >>> for >>>> either listening to a message, deleting messages etc, I don't know >>>> how to press any of the numbers required to do any of the above. >>>> How do people achieve this on the iphone. >>>> Thanks. >>>> Terry >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access > forum >>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus >>> and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>> visiting >>> the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at >>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus >> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting >> the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From djden at thejazzden.org.uk Sat Nov 5 16:57:08 2011 From: djden at thejazzden.org.uk (Thejazzden) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 16:57:08 +0000 Subject: Portrait Flip on my Iphone 4 with IOS5 - help References: Message-ID: <539A3C72-0BD7-4461-AF82-CA93BBA6280B@thejazzden.org.uk> Hello Listers > > A weird problem has started happening on my IPhone 4 (with IOS5). May be some software that has done this, but would be interested to know if anyone has experienced this. > When I press the power switch to unlock my phone (I am not using the password lock), I hear 'portrait flip' and my home screen is > shown upside down, i.e. with the status bar at the bottom. After double tapping the 'Slide to unlock' element, all my icons on the home screen are also shown upside down - with the four Dock items being on the top rather than the bottom, so the first to be read by VoiceOver when flicking through them. > If I go into an app like Settings and then come out of it, the screen re-rights itself into normal portrait mode. > This appears to happen with or without 'po9rtrait lock' set. > Any ideas about this would be welcomed. > Thanks. > Dennis. > From rattail4 at gmail.com Sat Nov 5 17:07:25 2011 From: rattail4 at gmail.com (Mike Welty) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 13:07:25 -0400 Subject: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES In-Reply-To: References: <7EF7E29A-A854-41E6-B0E2-5DEFE8BCD7B1@mac-access.net><8FC49CEE-024E-4D3A-BCC8-F2B91C2129EB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <1104FB6DF05D4556821C822C13E20C25@MQUAD> I used to have that problem but as of IOS 5 if I take my phone away from my face it goes to speaker and I have no trouble hearing voiceover. This comes from a hearing impaired person, so maybe your phone isn't switching as it should. -------------------------------------------------- From: "James AUSTIN" Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 12:34 To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Subject: Re: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES > Hi Terry, > On 5 Nov 2011, at 16:21, Terry Cooper wrote: >> That said, it isn't always going to be possible, e.g. not always having >> earphones to hand. > No, that's true, but it does seem to be the best way to get around your > problem for the moment. > > let us know how you get on. > > TC :) > james >> Hi >> >> No, I've not tried earphones, but I'll give it a go. >> >> That said, it isn't always going to be possible, e.g. not always having >> earphones to hand. >> >> Thanks.# >> >> Terry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of James AUSTIN >> Sent: 05 November 2011 16:18 >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Re: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES >> >> Hi Terry, >> On 5 Nov 2011, at 16:14, Terry Cooper wrote: >>> It doesn't make any difference if the phone is by my ear or I move it >>> away so it goes on loud speaker. >>> >> Have you tried it with headphones? >> >>> The iphone is good, but I just don't like it so much just for using as >>> a >> I think the iPhone is certainly an excellent product, by far the most >> accessible phone I've ever used. Having said that though, I think some of >> its other features are stronger than its phone application. >> >> TC :) >> James >>> Hi >>> >>> It doesn't make any difference if the phone is by my ear or I move it >>> away so it goes on loud speaker. >>> >>> The iphone is good, but I just don't like it so much just for using as >>> a phone. >>> >>> Terry >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >>> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of James AUSTIN >>> Sent: 05 November 2011 16:01 >>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>> Subject: Re: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES >>> >>> Hi Terry, >>> On 5 Nov 2011, at 15:55, Terry Cooper wrote: >>>> Sorry, I should have said, I have tried that, but I can't hear vo >>>> when the voicemail is talking. >>> Yes, I thought this might be the case. I get the same issue. The >>> easiest way I've found to circumvent the problem is to wear >>> headphones, if at all possible. Perhaps not the most elegant method, >>> but it certainly works. I think there may be a slight issue with the >>> automatic sensor picking up where the phone is in relation to your ear. >>> HTH >>> TC :) >>> J >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> Sorry, I should have said, I have tried that, but I can't hear vo >>>> when the voicemail is talking. >>>> >>>> Terry >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >>>> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of James AUSTIN >>>> Sent: 05 November 2011 15:42 >>>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >>>> Subject: Re: VOICEMAIL AND ON SCREEN KEYBOARD DIFFICULTIES >>>> >>>> Hi Terry >>>> >>>> Locate the number you're looking for with one finger. Once Voice Over >>>> announces it, you can then tap anywhere on the screen with another >>>> finger to activate the button and make your selection. Think of it >>>> like double-clicking a mouse. You can use the same technique for >>>> opening apps and other iOS elements. >>>> >>>> TC :) >>>> J >>>> On 5 Nov 2011, at 15:12, Terry Cooper wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all >>>>> >>>>> When I dial up my voicemail on the iphone, and I have to choose >>>>> options >>>> for >>>>> either listening to a message, deleting messages etc, I don't know >>>>> how to press any of the numbers required to do any of the above. >>>>> How do people achieve this on the iphone. >>>>> Thanks. >>>>> Terry >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >> forum >>>> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>>> virus >>>> and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>>>> visiting >>>> the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>>> forum >>> at >>>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>>> virus and worm-free! 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>> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting >> the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From khwicca at gmail.com Sat Nov 5 21:33:04 2011 From: khwicca at gmail.com (Kristeen Hughes) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 17:33:04 -0400 Subject: Readhere Pro Message-ID: <2FA84372-7337-427C-BF60-4665383C3C73@gmail.com> Can someone give me the web address for Readhere Pro? I want to buy it and I can't seem to find it. Thanks. Kristeen Hughes khwicca at gmail.com From james.austin at mac-access.net Sat Nov 5 22:14:29 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 22:14:29 +0000 Subject: Readhere Pro In-Reply-To: <2FA84372-7337-427C-BF60-4665383C3C73@gmail.com> References: <2FA84372-7337-427C-BF60-4665383C3C73@gmail.com> Message-ID: <60C83DA9-9D8A-419C-BB13-A99023556A31@mac-access.net> Hi Christine, Try here: http://www.ghbraille.com/software TC :) james You can contact me in the following ays: E-Mail:james.austin at mac-access.net MSN: james.londonsw15 at gmail.com Skype: saulky1984 - if you'd like to share details, please let me know who you are when you send a request. Thank you On 5 Nov 2011, at 21:33, Kristeen Hughes wrote: > Can someone give me the web address for Readhere Pro? I want to buy it and I can't seem to find it. > > Thanks. > > Kristeen Hughes > khwicca at gmail.com > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Sat Nov 5 22:58:52 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 17:58:52 -0500 Subject: os 5 question. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36EF261A-1C8F-4B75-94E8-467B03DB400B@charter.net> The 3gs will be a bit slow with IOS5 but it should not be that extreme. For the battery issue, apple is aware of this and it should be fixed in 5.01, but you can do a few things in the mean time. If you have your phone set to sync with icloud, turn this off, also in location services, go down to system services and open that, turn off the automatic time zone option. On Nov 5, 2011, at 4:06 AM, michael wrote: > Hi guys I run a iphone 3gs and since installing the os 5 i have found it slugish and seams to drain the battery quicker. > Plus it happens a bit wen I am in the middle of typing a text message voice over gets very slow and slugish then it stops talking for a few seconds then it takes me out ofmy text message and puts me on the home screen. > Please any idea's to help please guys. > cheers Michael. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sat Nov 5 23:05:30 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 23:05:30 +0000 Subject: Blind Memory Message-ID: <4EB5C13A.1030007@techno-chat.net> Does anybody know why this can no longer be downloaded from the apps store? I can click on it but there is no free button or anything like that. Thanks! From juanitatighan at gmail.com Sat Nov 5 23:19:15 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 19:19:15 -0400 Subject: os 5 question. In-Reply-To: <36EF261A-1C8F-4B75-94E8-467B03DB400B@charter.net> References: <36EF261A-1C8F-4B75-94E8-467B03DB400B@charter.net> Message-ID: <39DC931D-FBC2-42E9-8EE4-911E2BEC772F@gmail.com> Also make sure the app switcher is only running apps you need while you're working with the machine. I alway shave to clear my iDevice after my daughter plays with it, because there's lots of stuff clogging up memory. Jane On Nov 5, 2011, at 6:58 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > The 3gs will be a bit slow with IOS5 but it should not be that extreme. For the battery issue, apple is aware of this and it should be fixed in 5.01, but you can do a few things in the mean time. If you have your phone set to sync with icloud, turn this off, also in location services, go down to system services and open that, turn off the automatic time zone option. > On Nov 5, 2011, at 4:06 AM, michael wrote: > >> Hi guys I run a iphone 3gs and since installing the os 5 i have found it slugish and seams to drain the battery quicker. >> Plus it happens a bit wen I am in the middle of typing a text message voice over gets very slow and slugish then it stops talking for a few seconds then it takes me out ofmy text message and puts me on the home screen. >> Please any idea's to help please guys. >> cheers Michael. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Sat Nov 5 23:19:49 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 19:19:49 -0400 Subject: Blind Memory In-Reply-To: <4EB5C13A.1030007@techno-chat.net> References: <4EB5C13A.1030007@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: It may not work with iOS5. Jane On Nov 5, 2011, at 7:05 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > Does anybody know why this can no longer be downloaded from the apps store? I can click on it but there is no free button or anything like that. Thanks! > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From hannahday2009 at googlemail.com Sat Nov 5 23:21:07 2011 From: hannahday2009 at googlemail.com (hannah day) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2011 23:21:07 +0000 Subject: Blind Memory In-Reply-To: References: <4EB5C13A.1030007@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <4EB5C4E3.10103@googlemail.com> Hi Jane it's alright just eventuay got it installed again chat soon hannah Hannah Day E-mail and Facebook: hannahday2009 at googlemail.com MSN hannahday1989 at hotmail.co.uk Skype: hannahday On 05/11/2011 23:19, Jane wrote: > It may not work with iOS5. > > Jane > > On Nov 5, 2011, at 7:05 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> Does anybody know why this can no longer be downloaded from the apps store? I can click on it but there is no free button or anything like that. Thanks! >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lyewchan at telus.net Sun Nov 6 00:46:39 2011 From: lyewchan at telus.net (Lovette Yewchan) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 17:46:39 -0700 Subject: back up In-Reply-To: <39DC931D-FBC2-42E9-8EE4-911E2BEC772F@gmail.com> References: <36EF261A-1C8F-4B75-94E8-467B03DB400B@charter.net> <39DC931D-FBC2-42E9-8EE4-911E2BEC772F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi there. Can someone tell me how to take my files from my windows xp to my imac? I have an external drive the the files are on. I am also wondering how to learn to navigate the internet with VO. Thanks for any help! Lovette On 2011-11-05, at 4:19 PM, Jane wrote: > Also make sure the app switcher is only running apps you need while you're working with the machine. I alway shave to clear my iDevice after my daughter plays with it, because there's lots of stuff clogging up memory. > > Jane > > > On Nov 5, 2011, at 6:58 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > >> The 3gs will be a bit slow with IOS5 but it should not be that extreme. For the battery issue, apple is aware of this and it should be fixed in 5.01, but you can do a few things in the mean time. If you have your phone set to sync with icloud, turn this off, also in location services, go down to system services and open that, turn off the automatic time zone option. >> On Nov 5, 2011, at 4:06 AM, michael wrote: >> >>> Hi guys I run a iphone 3gs and since installing the os 5 i have found it slugish and seams to drain the battery quicker. >>> Plus it happens a bit wen I am in the middle of typing a text message voice over gets very slow and slugish then it stops talking for a few seconds then it takes me out ofmy text message and puts me on the home screen. >>> Please any idea's to help please guys. >>> cheers Michael. >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Sun Nov 6 01:34:01 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 01:34:01 +0000 Subject: back up In-Reply-To: References: <36EF261A-1C8F-4B75-94E8-467B03DB400B@charter.net> <39DC931D-FBC2-42E9-8EE4-911E2BEC772F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4F0EEED5-5353-460C-A944-1D388ACBC5B7@mac-access.net> Hi Lovette, I'll answer the first of your two questions now, and if no-one else has responded to you later today (or tomorrow depending on where you are), I will also answer the second. Your external HD is formatted as MS-Dos FAT 32, which means that it will be bootable on both a Windows and a Mac. All you need to do is plug the drive into the Mac, and if you've set Finder to show "external disks", then your drive will appear on your Desktop. If not, then you can do this by pressing command comma to open Finder Preferences and under the "General" tab, check the "external disks" checkbox. Alternatively, when in Finder, press Command+Shift+C. This will bring up a Finder window labelled "Computer". You'll find your external HD here. You can then select the files you want to copy over. I suggest the best way to do this is to show your files in either "Icon view" (Command+1), or "List View", (Command+2). You can then interact with the "browser" (VO keys+Shift+Down Arrow) and select each item you wish to copy by pressing VO+Command+Space. You must then hold down the VO keys while navigating to find the other items, adding Command+Space to add them to the selection. Alternatively you can "lock" the VO keys prior to your selection with VO+semi colon. Once you've selected your items, you can then press Command+C (unlocking the VO keys first with Command+semi colon if necessary). After navigating to your new location, you can paste your selection with Command+V. (Alternatively, Command+Option+V at this point will "move" the files to the new location. Be aware, this is essentially a "cut and paste".) HTH TC :) james You can contact me in the following ays: E-Mail:james.austin at mac-access.net MSN: james.londonsw15 at gmail.com Skype: saulky1984 - if you'd like to share details, please let me know who you are when you send a request. Thank you On 6 Nov 2011, at 00:46, Lovette Yewchan wrote: > Hi there. Can someone tell me how to take my files from my windows xp to my imac? I have an external drive the the files are on. > I am also wondering how to learn to navigate the internet with VO. > Thanks for any help! > Lovette > > On 2011-11-05, at 4:19 PM, Jane wrote: > >> Also make sure the app switcher is only running apps you need while you're working with the machine. I alway shave to clear my iDevice after my daughter plays with it, because there's lots of stuff clogging up memory. >> >> Jane >> >> >> On Nov 5, 2011, at 6:58 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >> >>> The 3gs will be a bit slow with IOS5 but it should not be that extreme. For the battery issue, apple is aware of this and it should be fixed in 5.01, but you can do a few things in the mean time. If you have your phone set to sync with icloud, turn this off, also in location services, go down to system services and open that, turn off the automatic time zone option. >>> On Nov 5, 2011, at 4:06 AM, michael wrote: >>> >>>> Hi guys I run a iphone 3gs and since installing the os 5 i have found it slugish and seams to drain the battery quicker. >>>> Plus it happens a bit wen I am in the middle of typing a text message voice over gets very slow and slugish then it stops talking for a few seconds then it takes me out ofmy text message and puts me on the home screen. >>>> Please any idea's to help please guys. >>>> cheers Michael. >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From michaelandjeanie at aapt.net.au Sun Nov 6 02:58:39 2011 From: michaelandjeanie at aapt.net.au (Michael Fridey) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:58:39 +1100 Subject: os 5 question. In-Reply-To: <36EF261A-1C8F-4B75-94E8-467B03DB400B@charter.net> References: <36EF261A-1C8F-4B75-94E8-467B03DB400B@charter.net> Message-ID: Okay thanks i do not use i cloud but i have 3gs turned off cos it uses extra power. But why would it stuff up wen i send a type a text messege it does not do it all the time. But offen enough i will get near the end of my tex message and it just gets jerky and takes me to home screen and wen I go back in to messaging the text i had typed has gone and have to start all over. Cheers Michael. On 06/11/2011, at 9:58 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > The 3gs will be a bit slow with IOS5 but it should not be that extreme. For the battery issue, apple is aware of this and it should be fixed in 5.01, but you can do a few things in the mean time. If you have your phone set to sync with icloud, turn this off, also in location services, go down to system services and open that, turn off the automatic time zone option. > On Nov 5, 2011, at 4:06 AM, michael wrote: > >> Hi guys I run a iphone 3gs and since installing the os 5 i have found it slugish and seams to drain the battery quicker. >> Plus it happens a bit wen I am in the middle of typing a text message voice over gets very slow and slugish then it stops talking for a few seconds then it takes me out ofmy text message and puts me on the home screen. >> Please any idea's to help please guys. >> cheers Michael. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From michaelandjeanie at aapt.net.au Sun Nov 6 03:04:57 2011 From: michaelandjeanie at aapt.net.au (Michael Fridey) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 14:04:57 +1100 Subject: os 5 question. In-Reply-To: <39DC931D-FBC2-42E9-8EE4-911E2BEC772F@gmail.com> References: <36EF261A-1C8F-4B75-94E8-467B03DB400B@charter.net> <39DC931D-FBC2-42E9-8EE4-911E2BEC772F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Yes Jane i check all the time cos i find if I do not close safari out of app manager it uses my data pack. Cheers Michael. On 06/11/2011, at 10:19 AM, Jane wrote: > Also make sure the app switcher is only running apps you need while you're working with the machine. I alway shave to clear my iDevice after my daughter plays with it, because there's lots of stuff clogging up memory. > > Jane > > > On Nov 5, 2011, at 6:58 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > >> The 3gs will be a bit slow with IOS5 but it should not be that extreme. For the battery issue, apple is aware of this and it should be fixed in 5.01, but you can do a few things in the mean time. If you have your phone set to sync with icloud, turn this off, also in location services, go down to system services and open that, turn off the automatic time zone option. >> On Nov 5, 2011, at 4:06 AM, michael wrote: >> >>> Hi guys I run a iphone 3gs and since installing the os 5 i have found it slugish and seams to drain the battery quicker. >>> Plus it happens a bit wen I am in the middle of typing a text message voice over gets very slow and slugish then it stops talking for a few seconds then it takes me out ofmy text message and puts me on the home screen. >>> Please any idea's to help please guys. >>> cheers Michael. >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lyewchan at telus.net Sun Nov 6 04:07:16 2011 From: lyewchan at telus.net (Lovette Yewchan) Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 21:07:16 -0700 Subject: back up In-Reply-To: <4F0EEED5-5353-460C-A944-1D388ACBC5B7@mac-access.net> References: <36EF261A-1C8F-4B75-94E8-467B03DB400B@charter.net> <39DC931D-FBC2-42E9-8EE4-911E2BEC772F@gmail.com> <4F0EEED5-5353-460C-A944-1D388ACBC5B7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Oh thank you so much! Sounds easy enough. I'll try in the next day or so. Lovette On 2011-11-05, at 6:34 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: > Hi Lovette, > > I'll answer the first of your two questions now, and if no-one else has responded to you later today (or tomorrow depending on where you are), I will also answer the second. > > Your external HD is formatted as MS-Dos FAT 32, which means that it will be bootable on both a Windows and a Mac. All you need to do is plug the drive into the Mac, and if you've set Finder to show "external disks", then your drive will appear on your Desktop. If not, then you can do this by pressing command comma to open Finder Preferences and under the "General" tab, check the "external disks" checkbox. > > Alternatively, when in Finder, press Command+Shift+C. This will bring up a Finder window labelled "Computer". You'll find your external HD here. You can then select the files you want to copy over. I suggest the best way to do this is to show your files in either "Icon view" (Command+1), or "List View", (Command+2). You can then interact with the "browser" (VO keys+Shift+Down Arrow) and select each item you wish to copy by pressing VO+Command+Space. You must then hold down the VO keys while navigating to find the other items, adding Command+Space to add them to the selection. Alternatively you can "lock" the VO keys prior to your selection with VO+semi colon. > > Once you've selected your items, you can then press Command+C (unlocking the VO keys first with Command+semi colon if necessary). After navigating to your new location, you can paste your selection with Command+V. (Alternatively, Command+Option+V at this point will "move" the files to the new location. Be aware, this is essentially a "cut and paste".) > > HTH > TC :) > james > You can contact me in the following ays: > E-Mail:james.austin at mac-access.net > MSN: james.londonsw15 at gmail.com > Skype: saulky1984 - if you'd like to share details, please let me know who you are when you send a request. Thank you > > On 6 Nov 2011, at 00:46, Lovette Yewchan wrote: > >> Hi there. Can someone tell me how to take my files from my windows xp to my imac? I have an external drive the the files are on. >> I am also wondering how to learn to navigate the internet with VO. >> Thanks for any help! >> Lovette >> >> On 2011-11-05, at 4:19 PM, Jane wrote: >> >>> Also make sure the app switcher is only running apps you need while you're working with the machine. I alway shave to clear my iDevice after my daughter plays with it, because there's lots of stuff clogging up memory. >>> >>> Jane >>> >>> >>> On Nov 5, 2011, at 6:58 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >>> >>>> The 3gs will be a bit slow with IOS5 but it should not be that extreme. For the battery issue, apple is aware of this and it should be fixed in 5.01, but you can do a few things in the mean time. If you have your phone set to sync with icloud, turn this off, also in location services, go down to system services and open that, turn off the automatic time zone option. >>>> On Nov 5, 2011, at 4:06 AM, michael wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi guys I run a iphone 3gs and since installing the os 5 i have found it slugish and seams to drain the battery quicker. >>>>> Plus it happens a bit wen I am in the middle of typing a text message voice over gets very slow and slugish then it stops talking for a few seconds then it takes me out ofmy text message and puts me on the home screen. >>>>> Please any idea's to help please guys. >>>>> cheers Michael. >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From d.griffith at btinternet.com Sun Nov 6 08:06:42 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 08:06:42 -0000 Subject: back up In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <176549.29610.qm@smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Just plug the external drive into the Imac. You may get a message asking you if you want to use the drive for time machine backup. Say no to this. Provided your Finder view options are set to show removable drives your external drive will show on the desktop. You can copy the files but as far as I am aware you need to run windows to edit or delete files. If there is a way to get Lion to have read write access I would be very interested. Regards David Griffith -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Lovette Yewchan Sent: 06 November 2011 00:47 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: back up Hi there. Can someone tell me how to take my files from my windows xp to my imac? I have an external drive the the files are on. I am also wondering how to learn to navigate the internet with VO. Thanks for any help! Lovette On 2011-11-05, at 4:19 PM, Jane wrote: > Also make sure the app switcher is only running apps you need while you're working with the machine. I alway shave to clear my iDevice after my daughter plays with it, because there's lots of stuff clogging up memory. > > Jane > > > On Nov 5, 2011, at 6:58 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > >> The 3gs will be a bit slow with IOS5 but it should not be that extreme. For the battery issue, apple is aware of this and it should be fixed in 5.01, but you can do a few things in the mean time. If you have your phone set to sync with icloud, turn this off, also in location services, go down to system services and open that, turn off the automatic time zone option. >> On Nov 5, 2011, at 4:06 AM, michael wrote: >> >>> Hi guys I run a iphone 3gs and since installing the os 5 i have found it slugish and seams to drain the battery quicker. >>> Plus it happens a bit wen I am in the middle of typing a text message voice over gets very slow and slugish then it stops talking for a few seconds then it takes me out ofmy text message and puts me on the home screen. >>> Please any idea's to help please guys. >>> cheers Michael. >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6552 (20111018) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6552 (20111018) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6552 (20111018) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From mattchao at verizon.net Sun Nov 6 14:23:01 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 09:23:01 -0500 Subject: Accessible Games for the iPhone Message-ID: <0LU8000I8TAI4050@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, Folks. Since Papa Sangre no longer works, and can't be found at the App Store, are there any accessible games for the iPhone? Thanks in advance. Matthew Chao From juanitatighan at gmail.com Sun Nov 6 14:36:59 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 09:36:59 -0500 Subject: Accessible Games for the iPhone In-Reply-To: <0LU8000I8TAI4050@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LU8000I8TAI4050@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <1347D734-B006-4253-8812-F39D7E956C66@gmail.com> Stem Stumper is fun! Jane On Nov 6, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: > Hi, Folks. Since Papa Sangre no longer works, and can't be found at the App Store, are there any accessible games for the iPhone? Thanks in advance. > > Matthew Chao > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From hannahday2009 at googlemail.com Sun Nov 6 14:38:12 2011 From: hannahday2009 at googlemail.com (hannah day) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 14:38:12 +0000 Subject: Accessible Games for the iPhone In-Reply-To: <1347D734-B006-4253-8812-F39D7E956C66@gmail.com> References: <0LU8000I8TAI4050@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <1347D734-B006-4253-8812-F39D7E956C66@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EB69BD4.4070003@googlemail.com> Hi Jane what is stem stumper? Hannah Day E-mail and Facebook: hannahday2009 at googlemail.com MSN hannahday1989 at hotmail.co.uk Skype: hannahday On 06/11/2011 14:36, Jane wrote: > Stem Stumper is fun! > > Jane > > On Nov 6, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: > >> Hi, Folks. Since Papa Sangre no longer works, and can't be found at the App Store, are there any accessible games for the iPhone? Thanks in advance. >> >> Matthew Chao >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From hannahday2009 at googlemail.com Sun Nov 6 14:38:40 2011 From: hannahday2009 at googlemail.com (hannah day) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 14:38:40 +0000 Subject: Accessible Games for the iPhone In-Reply-To: <1347D734-B006-4253-8812-F39D7E956C66@gmail.com> References: <0LU8000I8TAI4050@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <1347D734-B006-4253-8812-F39D7E956C66@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EB69BF0.9010504@googlemail.com> Hi What is stem stumper? Hannah Day E-mail and Facebook: hannahday2009 at googlemail.com MSN hannahday1989 at hotmail.co.uk Skype: hannahday On 06/11/2011 14:36, Jane wrote: > Stem Stumper is fun! > > Jane > > On Nov 6, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: > >> Hi, Folks. Since Papa Sangre no longer works, and can't be found at the App Store, are there any accessible games for the iPhone? Thanks in advance. >> >> Matthew Chao >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Sun Nov 6 14:41:56 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 09:41:56 -0500 Subject: Accessible Games for the iPhone In-Reply-To: <4EB69BD4.4070003@googlemail.com> References: <0LU8000I8TAI4050@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <1347D734-B006-4253-8812-F39D7E956C66@gmail.com> <4EB69BD4.4070003@googlemail.com> Message-ID: It's cute; you are a plan running around gardens getting all the fertilizer you can, but there are walls and other obstacles in the way. You have to get 3 Curiou Carrots (think stars) per level. Jane On Nov 6, 2011, at 9:38 AM, hannah day wrote: > Hi Jane what is stem stumper? > > > Hannah Day > E-mail and Facebook: hannahday2009 at googlemail.com > MSN hannahday1989 at hotmail.co.uk > Skype: hannahday > > On 06/11/2011 14:36, Jane wrote: >> Stem Stumper is fun! >> >> Jane >> >> On Nov 6, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: >> >>> Hi, Folks. Since Papa Sangre no longer works, and can't be found at the App Store, are there any accessible games for the iPhone? Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Matthew Chao >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From hannahday2009 at googlemail.com Sun Nov 6 14:42:42 2011 From: hannahday2009 at googlemail.com (hannah day) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 14:42:42 +0000 Subject: Accessible Games for the iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <0LU8000I8TAI4050@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <1347D734-B006-4253-8812-F39D7E956C66@gmail.com> <4EB69BD4.4070003@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4EB69CE2.4030806@googlemail.com> but how do you play it? Hannah Day E-mail and Facebook: hannahday2009 at googlemail.com MSN hannahday1989 at hotmail.co.uk Skype: hannahday On 06/11/2011 14:41, Jane wrote: > It's cute; you are a plan running around gardens getting all the fertilizer you can, but there are walls and other obstacles in the way. You have to get 3 Curiou Carrots (think stars) per level. > > Jane > > > > > On Nov 6, 2011, at 9:38 AM, hannah day wrote: > >> Hi Jane what is stem stumper? >> >> >> Hannah Day >> E-mail and Facebook: hannahday2009 at googlemail.com >> MSN hannahday1989 at hotmail.co.uk >> Skype: hannahday >> >> On 06/11/2011 14:36, Jane wrote: >>> Stem Stumper is fun! >>> >>> Jane >>> >>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, Folks. Since Papa Sangre no longer works, and can't be found at the App Store, are there any accessible games for the iPhone? Thanks in advance. >>>> >>>> Matthew Chao >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Sun Nov 6 15:22:12 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 10:22:12 -0500 Subject: Accessible Games for the iPhone In-Reply-To: <0LU8000I8TAI4050@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LU8000I8TAI4050@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <3001F0A9-DA74-40CB-A827-A0EEAEAD5AA3@gmail.com> There are lots of accessible games listed and described here: http://www.applevis.com/app-directory On Nov 6, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: Hi, Folks. Since Papa Sangre no longer works, and can't be found at the App Store, are there any accessible games for the iPhone? Thanks in advance. Matthew Chao <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: -- Marcy marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com From juanitatighan at gmail.com Sun Nov 6 15:45:14 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 10:45:14 -0500 Subject: Accessible Games for the iPhone In-Reply-To: <4EB69CE2.4030806@googlemail.com> References: <0LU8000I8TAI4050@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <1347D734-B006-4253-8812-F39D7E956C66@gmail.com> <4EB69BD4.4070003@googlemail.com> <4EB69CE2.4030806@googlemail.com> Message-ID: You start out with a tutorial that tells you and teaches you how to play Basicaly you move your finger around the screen ad get the feel for each level/garden, and you learn the different sounds. The tutorial is pretty good at explaining how to do it. :) You even earn curious carrots that help you aong later. It's just built into the game. Jane On Nov 6, 2011, at 9:42 AM, hannah day wrote: > but how do you play it? > > > > Hannah Day > E-mail and Facebook: hannahday2009 at googlemail.com > MSN hannahday1989 at hotmail.co.uk > Skype: hannahday > > On 06/11/2011 14:41, Jane wrote: >> It's cute; you are a plan running around gardens getting all the fertilizer you can, but there are walls and other obstacles in the way. You have to get 3 Curiou Carrots (think stars) per level. >> >> Jane >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 6, 2011, at 9:38 AM, hannah day wrote: >> >>> Hi Jane what is stem stumper? >>> >>> >>> Hannah Day >>> E-mail and Facebook: hannahday2009 at googlemail.com >>> MSN hannahday1989 at hotmail.co.uk >>> Skype: hannahday >>> >>> On 06/11/2011 14:36, Jane wrote: >>>> Stem Stumper is fun! >>>> >>>> Jane >>>> >>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, Folks. Since Papa Sangre no longer works, and can't be found at the App Store, are there any accessible games for the iPhone? Thanks in advance. >>>>> >>>>> Matthew Chao >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From hannahday2009 at googlemail.com Sun Nov 6 15:58:12 2011 From: hannahday2009 at googlemail.com (hannah day) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 15:58:12 +0000 Subject: Accessible Games for the iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <0LU8000I8TAI4050@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <1347D734-B006-4253-8812-F39D7E956C66@gmail.com> <4EB69BD4.4070003@googlemail.com> <4EB69CE2.4030806@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4EB6AE94.2090208@googlemail.com> but i have now the game but i don't see a tutorial hat soon hannah Hannah Day E-mail and Facebook: hannahday2009 at googlemail.com MSN hannahday1989 at hotmail.co.uk Skype: hannahday On 06/11/2011 15:45, Jane wrote: > You start out with a tutorial that tells you and teaches you how to play Basicaly you move your finger around the screen ad get the feel for each level/garden, and you learn the different sounds. The tutorial is pretty good at explaining how to do it. :) You even earn curious carrots that help you aong later. It's just built into the game. > > Jane > > > > On Nov 6, 2011, at 9:42 AM, hannah day wrote: > >> but how do you play it? >> >> >> >> Hannah Day >> E-mail and Facebook: hannahday2009 at googlemail.com >> MSN hannahday1989 at hotmail.co.uk >> Skype: hannahday >> >> On 06/11/2011 14:41, Jane wrote: >>> It's cute; you are a plan running around gardens getting all the fertilizer you can, but there are walls and other obstacles in the way. You have to get 3 Curiou Carrots (think stars) per level. >>> >>> Jane >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 9:38 AM, hannah day wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Jane what is stem stumper? >>>> >>>> >>>> Hannah Day >>>> E-mail and Facebook: hannahday2009 at googlemail.com >>>> MSN hannahday1989 at hotmail.co.uk >>>> Skype: hannahday >>>> >>>> On 06/11/2011 14:36, Jane wrote: >>>>> Stem Stumper is fun! >>>>> >>>>> Jane >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 6, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, Folks. Since Papa Sangre no longer works, and can't be found at the App Store, are there any accessible games for the iPhone? Thanks in advance. >>>>>> >>>>>> Matthew Chao >>>>>> >>>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>>> >>>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>>> >>>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>>> >>>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>>> . >>>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>>> >>>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Sun Nov 6 17:31:38 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 07:31:38 -1000 Subject: Accessible Games for the iPhone In-Reply-To: <0LU8000I8TAI4050@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LU8000I8TAI4050@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Hi Matthew, You might try "King of Dragon Pass" which was recently reviewed at the AppleVis site: http://www.applevis.com/blog/review-king-dragon-pass I'll take the title of a review as a capsule description: "King of Dragon Pass is an interactive story with a level of complexity and brilliance that's rarely seen in video games" I'll send you there and to the posted comments under the app listing for more details. The only down side is that this app is expensive at $9.99. It was on sale for $5.99 for a week through to Friday, in celebration of the original game's 12th birthday. However, a number of people have said that it was worth paying the full price. Here's the app store link: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/king-of-dragon-pass/id335545504?mt=8 Please do read the review first. It gives a detailed description of the game, and how the accessibility issues were handled. Among other things, you need to hold the iPhone in landscape mode. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 6, 2011, at 04:23, Matthew Chao wrote: > Hi, Folks. Since Papa Sangre no longer works, and can't be found at the App Store, are there any accessible games for the iPhone? Thanks in advance. > > Matthew Chao > From mattchao at verizon.net Sun Nov 6 17:40:04 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 12:40:04 -0500 Subject: Accessible Games for the iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <0LU8000I8TAI4050@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <0LU90029J2EZKJN1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, Esther. No problem with the price, as long as it's accessible. Read the reviews, and think I'll buy it. Matthew Chao At 12:31 PM 11/6/2011, you wrote: >Hi Matthew, > >You might try "King of Dragon Pass" which was recently reviewed at >the AppleVis site: >http://www.applevis.com/blog/review-king-dragon-pass >I'll take the title of a review as a capsule description: "King of >Dragon Pass is an interactive story with a level of complexity and >brilliance that's rarely seen in video games" >I'll send you there and to the posted comments under the app listing >for more details. The only down side is that this app is expensive >at $9.99. It was on sale for $5.99 for a week through to Friday, in >celebration of the original game's 12th birthday. However, a number >of people have said that it was worth paying the full price. > >Here's the app store link: >http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/king-of-dragon-pass/id335545504?mt=8 > >Please do read the review first. It gives a detailed description of >the game, and how the accessibility issues were handled. Among >other things, you need to hold the iPhone in landscape mode. > >HTH. Cheers, > >Esther > >On Nov 6, 2011, at 04:23, Matthew Chao wrote: > > > Hi, Folks. Since Papa Sangre no longer works, and can't be found > at the App Store, are there any accessible games for the > iPhone? Thanks in advance. > > > > Matthew Chao > > > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >or at the public Mail Archive: >. >Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From mattchao at verizon.net Sun Nov 6 18:31:04 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 13:31:04 -0500 Subject: VO and iPhone 4/4s Message-ID: <0LU900AWJ4S1Y9B0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, Folks! Just a question about getting VO to immediately talk on an iPhone 4 or 4s: when the iPhone (either one) has iOS 5 installed, can it be made to talk right out of the box without a comptuter, and if so, how? I tried this on a friend's iPhone 4S by pressing the Home button three times in rapid succession, but nothing happened. Thanks in advance. Matthew Chao From moriond at mac.com Sun Nov 6 18:47:03 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 08:47:03 -1000 Subject: VO and iPhone 4/4s In-Reply-To: <0LU900AWJ4S1Y9B0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LU900AWJ4S1Y9B0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <08D69714-B616-41D5-9D6F-2F676F07BEE6@mac.com> Hi Matthew, If they activate the iPhone at the Apple Store for you, then the iPhone 4s doesn't automatically speak when you triple click the Home button. I was with a friend who was getting a new iPhone 4s (his first iOS device, although he recently got a MacBook Air as his first Apple computer), and they set it up by transferring his old phone number to the device. If you do that, VoiceOver won't automatically come up when you triple click Home, since I tried it. I know that's not quite what you're asking, but thought I would give this information. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 6, 2011, at 08:31, Matthew Chao wrote: > Hi, Folks! Just a question about getting VO to immediately talk on an iPhone 4 or 4s: when the iPhone (either one) has iOS 5 installed, can it be made to talk right out of the box without a comptuter, and if so, how? I tried this on a friend's iPhone 4S by pressing the Home button three times in rapid succession, but nothing happened. Thanks in advance. > > Matthew Chao > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Sun Nov 6 18:51:04 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:51:04 +0000 Subject: Accessible Games for the iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <0LU8000I8TAI4050@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <3D594776-B872-48E8-A142-A3C5C4A321A3@computing.dcu.ie> Hi Ester, Is that game specifically an accessible one, or is it suitable for sighted players also? I'm looking for some games that both my nephew and I can play; not necessarily against each other but that we can share. D?nal On 6 Nov 2011, at 17:31, Esther wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > You might try "King of Dragon Pass" which was recently reviewed at the AppleVis site: > http://www.applevis.com/blog/review-king-dragon-pass > I'll take the title of a review as a capsule description: "King of Dragon Pass is an interactive story with a level of complexity and brilliance that's rarely seen in video games" > I'll send you there and to the posted comments under the app listing for more details. The only down side is that this app is expensive at $9.99. It was on sale for $5.99 for a week through to Friday, in celebration of the original game's 12th birthday. However, a number of people have said that it was worth paying the full price. > > Here's the app store link: > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/king-of-dragon-pass/id335545504?mt=8 > > Please do read the review first. It gives a detailed description of the game, and how the accessibility issues were handled. Among other things, you need to hold the iPhone in landscape mode. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Nov 6, 2011, at 04:23, Matthew Chao wrote: > >> Hi, Folks. Since Papa Sangre no longer works, and can't be found at the App Store, are there any accessible games for the iPhone? Thanks in advance. >> >> Matthew Chao >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Sun Nov 6 18:50:17 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:50:17 +0000 Subject: Accessible Games for the iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <0LU8000I8TAI4050@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <758873F3-3AE9-4B42-98CA-E30EED910E74@computing.dcu.ie> Hi Ester, Is that game specifically an accessible one, or is it suitable for sighted players also? I'm looking for some games that both my nephew and I can play; not necessarily against each other but that we can share. D?nal On 6 Nov 2011, at 17:31, Esther wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > You might try "King of Dragon Pass" which was recently reviewed at the AppleVis site: > http://www.applevis.com/blog/review-king-dragon-pass > I'll take the title of a review as a capsule description: "King of Dragon Pass is an interactive story with a level of complexity and brilliance that's rarely seen in video games" > I'll send you there and to the posted comments under the app listing for more details. The only down side is that this app is expensive at $9.99. It was on sale for $5.99 for a week through to Friday, in celebration of the original game's 12th birthday. However, a number of people have said that it was worth paying the full price. > > Here's the app store link: > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/king-of-dragon-pass/id335545504?mt=8 > > Please do read the review first. It gives a detailed description of the game, and how the accessibility issues were handled. Among other things, you need to hold the iPhone in landscape mode. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Nov 6, 2011, at 04:23, Matthew Chao wrote: > >> Hi, Folks. Since Papa Sangre no longer works, and can't be found at the App Store, are there any accessible games for the iPhone? Thanks in advance. >> >> Matthew Chao >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From moriond at mac.com Sun Nov 6 19:27:53 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 09:27:53 -1000 Subject: Accessible Games for the iPhone In-Reply-To: <3D594776-B872-48E8-A142-A3C5C4A321A3@computing.dcu.ie> References: <0LU8000I8TAI4050@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <3D594776-B872-48E8-A142-A3C5C4A321A3@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Hi D?nal, King of Dragon Pass is a recently introduced video game that was not designed with accessibility in mind. The developer worked with a number of users to make this accessible, and did a really good job. It was originally a game that worked on the PC platform, so while there are graphics (maps and images), they're static, and so VoiceOver users can enjoy the text, while sighted users can also appreciate the graphics. So yes, this is something that both you and your nephew could play and share. I'll give you a link to the Gamezebo review that I used for the capsule title, "King of Dragon Pass is an interactive story with a level of complexity and brilliance that's rarely seen in video games": http://www.gamezebo.com/games/king-dragon-pass/review Note that this is a general game review, not one specifically written for accessibility. The richness of the game play is in the story, so it's fairly replayable because the action is wildly different when you make different choices. I agree with the reviewer that even after reading through the extensive guide at the developer's site (and which you can consult from within the game), it seems as though you could do with more tips. I can point you to some posts of these generic tips on another web site. The action of the game is carried by the texture and rich story, so this can take a long time. (There are both short and long versions of the game.) HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 6, 2011, at 08:51, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi Ester, > > Is that game specifically an accessible one, or is it suitable for sighted players also? I'm looking for some games that both my nephew and I can play; not necessarily against each other but that we can share. > > D?nal > On 6 Nov 2011, at 17:31, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Matthew, >> >> You might try "King of Dragon Pass" which was recently reviewed at the AppleVis site: >> http://www.applevis.com/blog/review-king-dragon-pass >> I'll take the title of a review as a capsule description: "King of Dragon Pass is an interactive story with a level of complexity and brilliance that's rarely seen in video games" >> I'll send you there and to the posted comments under the app listing for more details. The only down side is that this app is expensive at $9.99. It was on sale for $5.99 for a week through to Friday, in celebration of the original game's 12th birthday. However, a number of people have said that it was worth paying the full price. >> >> Here's the app store link: >> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/king-of-dragon-pass/id335545504?mt=8 >> >> Please do read the review first. It gives a detailed description of the game, and how the accessibility issues were handled. Among other things, you need to hold the iPhone in landscape mode. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Nov 6, 2011, at 04:23, Matthew Chao wrote: >> >>> Hi, Folks. Since Papa Sangre no longer works, and can't be found at the App Store, are there any accessible games for the iPhone? Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Matthew Chao >>> From james.austin at mac-access.net Sun Nov 6 21:02:03 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:02:03 +0000 Subject: Which has greater usability/accessibility, Sound Flower or Jac oS X? Message-ID: <96D58082-2EAE-40A9-9D37-CAC9280E4186@mac-access.net> Hi folks, I am wanting to hijack system audio with Audio Hijack Pro and Amadeus Pro. I am wondering though which of the following offers greater accessibility/usability. Sound Flower or Jack oS X? Any thoughts greatly appreciated. Thanks TC :) james If you wish, you can contact me in the following ways: E-Mail:james.austin at mac-access.net MSN: james.londonsw15 at gmail.com Skype: saulky1984 - if you'd like to share details, please let me know who you are when you send a request. Thank you From mattchao at verizon.net Sun Nov 6 21:03:35 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 16:03:35 -0500 Subject: VO and iPhone 4/4s In-Reply-To: <08D69714-B616-41D5-9D6F-2F676F07BEE6@mac.com> References: <0LU900AWJ4S1Y9B0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <08D69714-B616-41D5-9D6F-2F676F07BEE6@mac.com> Message-ID: <0LU900I0JBU6E960@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, Esther. I thought that with the new iOS 5 and/or the iPhone 4s, you could walk into a store and make the iPhone talk out of the box without sighted hewlp. Also, thought I heard that in short, you could make the iPhone talk immediately like you could any Mac. Thought you didn't meed a computer to get the phone talking. Just my thoughts and query. In other words, we still can't make the iPhone talk without sighted help or a computer? Matthew Chao At 01:47 PM 11/6/2011, you wrote: >Hi Matthew, > >If they activate the iPhone at the Apple Store for you, then the >iPhone 4s doesn't automatically speak when you triple click the Home >button. I was with a friend who was getting a new iPhone 4s (his >first iOS device, although he recently got a MacBook Air as his >first Apple computer), and they set it up by transferring his old >phone number to the device. If you do that, VoiceOver won't >automatically come up when you triple click Home, since I tried >it. I know that's not quite what you're asking, but thought I would >give this information. > >HTH. Cheers, > >Esther > >On Nov 6, 2011, at 08:31, Matthew Chao wrote: > > > Hi, Folks! Just a question about getting VO to immediately talk > on an iPhone 4 or 4s: when the iPhone (either one) has iOS 5 > installed, can it be made to talk right out of the box without a > comptuter, and if so, how? I tried this on a friend's iPhone 4S by > pressing the Home button three times in rapid succession, but > nothing happened. Thanks in advance. > > > > Matthew Chao > > > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >or at the public Mail Archive: >. >Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Sun Nov 6 21:23:27 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 11:23:27 -1000 Subject: VO and iPhone 4/4s In-Reply-To: <0LU900I0JBU6E960@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LU900AWJ4S1Y9B0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <08D69714-B616-41D5-9D6F-2F676F07BEE6@mac.com> <0LU900I0JBU6E960@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <7B8FDE65-EAC0-4944-A740-D97410C348E3@mac.com> Hi Matthew, I think that you can have VoiceOver start talking out of the box with iPhone 4 or 4s loaded with iOS 5, provided that the Apple Store folks don't start the setup process first. There were some earlier list posts about this. In this case, since this was a brand new iPhone whose number was being transferred over from an existing (other) cell phone number for a user who had never had a previous iOS device, we just let them make the transfer setup. If that's the case, then you have to ask the Apple Store people to start up VoiceOver. He was also having the Apple Store people do a sync transfer of contacts from the old phone. I asked whether he wanted me to try to handle this with iSync on his MacBook Air beforehand, but he said no. iSync can let you sync and transfer contact and calendar information from a large variety of mobile devices, either directly supported or, for more modern phones, via a plugin that you can download for the application. The iSync application still works under Lion, but it gets wiped out by the Lion installation, so you have to either have a Time Machine backup or a copy of iSync saved from Snow Leopard (or earlier) to copy back into Lion's Application folder. If you power up the new iPhone with iOS 5 it should talk out of the box, according to my understanding. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:03, Matthew Chao wrote: > Hi, Esther. I thought that with the new iOS 5 and/or the iPhone 4s, you could walk into a store and make the iPhone talk out of the box without sighted hewlp. Also, thought I heard that in short, you could make the iPhone talk immediately like you could any Mac. Thought you didn't meed a computer to get the phone talking. Just my thoughts and query. In other words, we still can't make the iPhone talk without sighted help or a computer? > > Matthew Chao > > At 01:47 PM 11/6/2011, you wrote: >> Hi Matthew, >> >> If they activate the iPhone at the Apple Store for you, then the iPhone 4s doesn't automatically speak when you triple click the Home button. I was with a friend who was getting a new iPhone 4s (his first iOS device, although he recently got a MacBook Air as his first Apple computer), and they set it up by transferring his old phone number to the device. If you do that, VoiceOver won't automatically come up when you triple click Home, since I tried it. I know that's not quite what you're asking, but thought I would give this information. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Nov 6, 2011, at 08:31, Matthew Chao wrote: >> >> > Hi, Folks! Just a question about getting VO to immediately talk on an iPhone 4 or 4s: when the iPhone (either one) has iOS 5 installed, can it be made to talk right out of the box without a comptuter, and if so, how? I tried this on a friend's iPhone 4S by pressing the Home button three times in rapid succession, but nothing happened. Thanks in advance. >> > >> > Matthew Chao >> > From jekis at fastmail.us Sun Nov 6 21:32:45 2011 From: jekis at fastmail.us (Justin Ekis) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 13:32:45 -0800 Subject: VO and iPhone 4/4s In-Reply-To: <0LU900I0JBU6E960@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0LU900AWJ4S1Y9B0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <08D69714-B616-41D5-9D6F-2F676F07BEE6@mac.com> <0LU900I0JBU6E960@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <6301CD6E-D71B-4CE2-9427-E955EE5FE5E3@fastmail.us> Hi. If you triple-click the home button as your very first action before completing the initial setup process, Voiceover will come up right away. I did this with my new iPhone 4S last week. What Esther is saying is something I've heard from a few other people. If someone at the store does the setup for you, somehow this particular setting is lost. At that point, you either need a computer, or sighted assistance to turn voiceover on in the settings app on the phone. This is how it was with previous versions of iOS, and it's honestly not a big problem to do it with iTunes. It's totally accessible. Basically, if you want it to come up out of the box, and you let them do anything with the phone, make sure they also enable VoiceOver while they're at it. I'm sure this is a bug that will be fixed and not a purposeful decision. I don't know the details for certain since I didn't experience the problem. I'd suggest that anyone who comes across this should contact accessibility at apple.com and let them know. Justin On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:03 PM, Matthew Chao wrote: Hi, Esther. I thought that with the new iOS 5 and/or the iPhone 4s, you could walk into a store and make the iPhone talk out of the box without sighted hewlp. Also, thought I heard that in short, you could make the iPhone talk immediately like you could any Mac. Thought you didn't meed a computer to get the phone talking. Just my thoughts and query. In other words, we still can't make the iPhone talk without sighted help or a computer? Matthew Chao At 01:47 PM 11/6/2011, you wrote: > Hi Matthew, > > If they activate the iPhone at the Apple Store for you, then the iPhone 4s doesn't automatically speak when you triple click the Home button. I was with a friend who was getting a new iPhone 4s (his first iOS device, although he recently got a MacBook Air as his first Apple computer), and they set it up by transferring his old phone number to the device. If you do that, VoiceOver won't automatically come up when you triple click Home, since I tried it. I know that's not quite what you're asking, but thought I would give this information. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Nov 6, 2011, at 08:31, Matthew Chao wrote: > > > Hi, Folks! Just a question about getting VO to immediately talk on an iPhone 4 or 4s: when the iPhone (either one) has iOS 5 installed, can it be made to talk right out of the box without a comptuter, and if so, how? I tried this on a friend's iPhone 4S by pressing the Home button three times in rapid succession, but nothing happened. Thanks in advance. > > > > Matthew Chao > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From mattchao at verizon.net Sun Nov 6 23:06:42 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 18:06:42 -0500 Subject: VO and iPhone 4/4s In-Reply-To: <7B8FDE65-EAC0-4944-A740-D97410C348E3@mac.com> References: <0LU900AWJ4S1Y9B0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <08D69714-B616-41D5-9D6F-2F676F07BEE6@mac.com> <0LU900I0JBU6E960@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> <7B8FDE65-EAC0-4944-A740-D97410C348E3@mac.com> Message-ID: <0LU9008P7HJDW1U3@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> That's what I thought I heard. Trick is to not have the AT&T folks touch it, or buy an unlocked phone and start from scratch. Matthew Chao At 04:23 PM 11/6/2011, you wrote: >Hi Matthew, > >I think that you can have VoiceOver start talking out of the box >with iPhone 4 or 4s loaded with iOS 5, provided that the Apple Store >folks don't start the setup process first. There were some earlier >list posts about this. In this case, since this was a brand new >iPhone whose number was being transferred over from an existing >(other) cell phone number for a user who had never had a previous >iOS device, we just let them make the transfer setup. If that's the >case, then you have to ask the Apple Store people to start up >VoiceOver. He was also having the Apple Store people do a sync >transfer of contacts from the old phone. I asked whether he wanted >me to try to handle this with iSync on his MacBook Air beforehand, >but he said no. iSync can let you sync and transfer contact and >calendar information from a large variety of mobile devices, either >directly supported or, for more modern phones, via a plugin that you >can download for the application. The iSync application still > works under Lion, but it gets wiped out by the Lion installation, > so you have to either have a Time Machine backup or a copy of iSync > saved from Snow Leopard (or earlier) to copy back into Lion's > Application folder. > >If you power up the new iPhone with iOS 5 it should talk out of the >box, according to my understanding. > >HTH. Cheers, > >Esther > >On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:03, Matthew Chao wrote: > > > Hi, Esther. I thought that with the new iOS 5 and/or the iPhone > 4s, you could walk into a store and make the iPhone talk out of the > box without sighted hewlp. Also, thought I heard that in short, > you could make the iPhone talk immediately like you could any > Mac. Thought you didn't meed a computer to get the phone > talking. Just my thoughts and query. In other words, we still > can't make the iPhone talk without sighted help or a computer? > > > > Matthew Chao > > > > At 01:47 PM 11/6/2011, you wrote: > >> Hi Matthew, > >> > >> If they activate the iPhone at the Apple Store for you, then the > iPhone 4s doesn't automatically speak when you triple click the > Home button. I was with a friend who was getting a new iPhone 4s > (his first iOS device, although he recently got a MacBook Air as > his first Apple computer), and they set it up by transferring his > old phone number to the device. If you do that, VoiceOver won't > automatically come up when you triple click Home, since I tried > it. I know that's not quite what you're asking, but thought I > would give this information. > >> > >> HTH. Cheers, > >> > >> Esther > >> > >> On Nov 6, 2011, at 08:31, Matthew Chao wrote: > >> > >> > Hi, Folks! Just a question about getting VO to immediately > talk on an iPhone 4 or 4s: when the iPhone (either one) has iOS 5 > installed, can it be made to talk right out of the box without a > comptuter, and if so, how? I tried this on a friend's iPhone 4S by > pressing the Home button three times in rapid succession, but > nothing happened. Thanks in advance. > >> > > >> > Matthew Chao > >> > > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >or at the public Mail Archive: >. >Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Sun Nov 6 23:20:58 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:20:58 +0000 Subject: Some concerns about Adium Message-ID: I've been told by people on this list that Adium is a good accessible with VO messenger client. Well guys, I guess I'm not using it right and I really need some help. Once I've seen a friend of mine is online and have pressed Enter on there's details and sent them a message, how do I know when they have replied and how do I read there message? Jonathan From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Sun Nov 6 23:24:10 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:24:10 +0000 Subject: Some concerns about Adium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <55E73EB7-2809-493D-9784-0F966CC35D74@googlemail.com> Hi adium should autamatily read it back to you you need to go in to preorances and set up your events. From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Sun Nov 6 23:27:59 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:27:59 -0600 Subject: Some concerns about Adium In-Reply-To: <55E73EB7-2809-493D-9784-0F966CC35D74@googlemail.com> References: <55E73EB7-2809-493D-9784-0F966CC35D74@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <8C224448-9175-4629-8EE2-CB9D3BB761BB@swbell.net> how do you set up a event? What is or where would I find preoccurences at? On Nov 6, 2011, at 5:24 PM, Ian McNamara wrote: > Hi adium should autamatily read it back to you you need to go in to preorances and set up your events. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Sun Nov 6 23:32:38 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:32:38 +0000 Subject: Some concerns about Adium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <36836045-FDC1-4773-8CB0-E6481AEE21EE@virginmedia.com> Hi Jonathan! The method I use is to stop interacting with that first text field and scroll left to the unknown field! Interact with it and scroll down to the last message which should be your friends if they sent one! Or yours if they have not! Now when at the very bottom turn off cursor tracking with vo+shift+f3 then all you have to do is either just start typing a new response to there last message and when your finished just press return and that message will appear after the last one in the window, then just right arrow past your message and wait for the reply! And when it turns up you can just right arrow through it and once again just start typing your reply and send it and so on! But do not forget to turn cursor tracking back on when you've done with that conversation! hth Colin On 6 Nov 2011, at 23:20, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > I've been told by people on this list that Adium is a good accessible > with VO messenger client. Well guys, I guess I'm not using it right > and I really need some help. > > Once I've seen a friend of mine is online and have pressed Enter on > there's details and sent them a message, how do I know when they have > replied and how do I read there message? > > Jonathan > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Sun Nov 6 23:32:40 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:32:40 +0000 Subject: Some concerns about Adium In-Reply-To: <8C224448-9175-4629-8EE2-CB9D3BB761BB@swbell.net> References: <55E73EB7-2809-493D-9784-0F966CC35D74@googlemail.com> <8C224448-9175-4629-8EE2-CB9D3BB761BB@swbell.net> Message-ID: <59FA1798-3F45-4EA1-9942-A1F18512645F@googlemail.com> do command and comma to get in to prefances then go to your accounts tab then go to events and it will come up with a list. if some one can explain better than me then that's fine. Ian McNamara From jekis at fastmail.us Sun Nov 6 23:35:34 2011 From: jekis at fastmail.us (Justin Ekis) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 15:35:34 -0800 Subject: VO and iPhone 4/4s In-Reply-To: <7B8FDE65-EAC0-4944-A740-D97410C348E3@mac.com> References: <0LU900AWJ4S1Y9B0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <08D69714-B616-41D5-9D6F-2F676F07BEE6@mac.com> <0LU900I0JBU6E960@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> <7B8FDE65-EAC0-4944-A740-D97410C348E3@mac.com> Message-ID: <8A2A8F75-FDBC-4344-A17A-AF3E411136DC@fastmail.us> Now that I think about it, I should slightly modify what I previously wrote. I did let the Verizon store transfer my number over from my previous phone, but did not let them transfer the contacts. I was able to start voiceover myself after that. I don't think transfering the number causes this to not work as expected. I think service activation is separate from the rest of iOS setup. However, you probably have to answer the other setup questions, such as language, etc before you can transfer contacts. The issue probably occurs somewhere during this process. I guess the rule of thumb is to only let them activate your number, but not do anything beyond that. On Nov 6, 2011, at 1:23 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Matthew, I think that you can have VoiceOver start talking out of the box with iPhone 4 or 4s loaded with iOS 5, provided that the Apple Store folks don't start the setup process first. There were some earlier list posts about this. In this case, since this was a brand new iPhone whose number was being transferred over from an existing (other) cell phone number for a user who had never had a previous iOS device, we just let them make the transfer setup. If that's the case, then you have to ask the Apple Store people to start up VoiceOver. He was also having the Apple Store people do a sync transfer of contacts from the old phone. I asked whether he wanted me to try to handle this with iSync on his MacBook Air beforehand, but he said no. iSync can let you sync and transfer contact and calendar information from a large variety of mobile devices, either directly supported or, for more modern phones, via a plugin that you can download for the application. The iSync application still works under Lion, but it gets wiped out by the Lion installation, so you have to either have a Time Machine backup or a copy of iSync saved from Snow Leopard (or earlier) to copy back into Lion's Application folder. If you power up the new iPhone with iOS 5 it should talk out of the box, according to my understanding. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 6, 2011, at 11:03, Matthew Chao wrote: > Hi, Esther. I thought that with the new iOS 5 and/or the iPhone 4s, you could walk into a store and make the iPhone talk out of the box without sighted hewlp. Also, thought I heard that in short, you could make the iPhone talk immediately like you could any Mac. Thought you didn't meed a computer to get the phone talking. Just my thoughts and query. In other words, we still can't make the iPhone talk without sighted help or a computer? > > Matthew Chao > > At 01:47 PM 11/6/2011, you wrote: >> Hi Matthew, >> >> If they activate the iPhone at the Apple Store for you, then the iPhone 4s doesn't automatically speak when you triple click the Home button. I was with a friend who was getting a new iPhone 4s (his first iOS device, although he recently got a MacBook Air as his first Apple computer), and they set it up by transferring his old phone number to the device. If you do that, VoiceOver won't automatically come up when you triple click Home, since I tried it. I know that's not quite what you're asking, but thought I would give this information. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Nov 6, 2011, at 08:31, Matthew Chao wrote: >> >>> Hi, Folks! Just a question about getting VO to immediately talk on an iPhone 4 or 4s: when the iPhone (either one) has iOS 5 installed, can it be made to talk right out of the box without a comptuter, and if so, how? I tried this on a friend's iPhone 4S by pressing the Home button three times in rapid succession, but nothing happened. Thanks in advance. >>> >>> Matthew Chao >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Sun Nov 6 23:49:17 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:49:17 +0000 Subject: Some concerns about Adium In-Reply-To: <59FA1798-3F45-4EA1-9942-A1F18512645F@googlemail.com> References: <55E73EB7-2809-493D-9784-0F966CC35D74@googlemail.com> <8C224448-9175-4629-8EE2-CB9D3BB761BB@swbell.net> <59FA1798-3F45-4EA1-9942-A1F18512645F@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <52E622A3-FFB2-4322-9009-6BD6DE26AC17@virginmedia.com> Hi there! here are some instructions! From Nik! I found them useful! > To make this easier, you can set up events for Adium for specific sound sets. This means that you can technically enable various different events for sound sets, so if you like the iChat sounds, for example, you can switch to iChat when creating another notification preset. Obviously, you are not required to select different sounds, so if you want, you can simply leave that alone and simply use it for an easy switch of spoken events. > > To find the Events preferences, hit Command-Comma to go into Preferences, then interact with the Toolbar. Next, move to the events button and hit VO-Space to select it. In some cases in Adium, you are not thrown out of the toolbar as you should be,so simply stop interacting and move right with the VoiceOver keys to focus on the events table. > > If you just want to use the "Default notifications" you can leave the pop up alone which governs what notifications you are currently using. This allows for a high degree of customisation, allowing you to include extras should you wish to download them. It is also worth noting that it appears that you can save as many configurations as you would like to save. > > If you want to assign an event to a current notification, select the "Events" table, then interact with it. Now, simply move down with either VO-Down or down arrow on its own to move through the table, and when you see an notification you would like to assign an event to, simply stop interacting with the table, then VO-right until you reach the "Add" button and hit VO-Space. To see what events are currently assigned to a notification, simply move to the third column right next to the name of the notification. If you are not interacting, VoiceOver will automatically read all the columns in a row. In this case, if you want to expand a notification to remove one or more of its events, you can either use VO-Backslash to expand it or simply use the right arrow key which performs the same action. When expanding a notification, simply move to the event you would like to edit or remove, stop interacting if you are, and VO-right to either the "Edit" or "Remove" buttons. Editing obviously lets you recreate the event as you see fit. > > Adding events is also relatively simply. You simply hit the "Add" button after selecting the notification you would like to add an event to, then select the type of event such as "Speak event." When selecting the different pop up choices, the options will change to reflect your selection. In the case of "Speak event," options to select exactly what is spoken such as name and time appear, including whether or not to use a custom speech rate and pitch as well as voice. If you uncheck the custom checkboxes, it will obey the options set under System Preferences in the Speech category. > > Additionally, you may also switch off Cursor Tracking with VO-Shift-F3. In this case, you obviously do not need these events in case you want to read them as they come in at your own leisure. Switching off Cursor Tracking is actually very handy, as the keyboard focus doesn't move the VoiceOver cursor. This enables you to read what you have written using the arrow keys only, and quickly read incoming information in any application as soon as it comes in by simply leaving the VoiceOver cursor in the preferred area. This is handy in Applications like Skype as well, particularly Skype 5.1. > > When you interact with the HTML content area, which VoiceOver reports as "unknown," you are primarily always put at the top of the chat. You can use a command like FN-Shift-VO-End to get to the bottom and FN-Shift--VO-Home to get to the top, though primarily you may be able to ditch the Shift key in favour of only using FN-VO home and end. > > I hope this helps. I wanted to provide the information about the events so that it might make it a bit easier and make it so that you have to move around less within Adium. > > Regards, > Nic On 6 Nov 2011, at 23:32, Ian McNamara wrote: > do command and comma to get in to prefances then go to your accounts tab then go to events and it will come up with a list. if some one can explain better than me then that's fine. > > Ian McNamara > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From blindworrell at yahoo.com Sun Nov 6 23:51:57 2011 From: blindworrell at yahoo.com (Ed Worrell) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 16:51:57 -0700 Subject: Type In braille app for iphone Message-ID: <13C5694A-ADC8-4314-B013-77B5369969B8@yahoo.com> Hello listers? I have found a pretty neat app for a typing allternitave. It is called Type in braille, itunes link is http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/typeinbraille/id474798075?ls=1 Here is the Help Guied from the website to help you get started using the app http://www.everywaretechnologies.com/apps/typeinbraille/help TypeInBraille Help TypeInBraille is a mobile application that allows visually impaired users to type using Braille symbols. To use TypeInBraille turn VoiceOver on. How to Enter a character In Braille, each cell consists of three rows. On each row there are two dots, in one of these combinations: one raised dot on the left, one raised dot on the right, two raised dots, no raised dot. Four gestures are available to insert each row. You insert a Braille character row by row. The iPhone touchscreen is vertically split into two rectangles, one on the left, one on the right. The gestures are listed below. One finger tap on the left rectangle: one raised dot on the left; One finger tap on the right rectangle: one raised dot on the right; Two finger tap: two dots; Three finger tap: no dot. Whenever you insert three gestures, each one corresponding to a row of the Braille cell, the character is entered. Example 1 Use the following gestures to enter the letter ?a?: one finger tap on the left rectangle; three finger tap; three finger tap. Since some characters contain dots on the first and/or second row only, there is one additional gesture to speed up typing: with the ?one finger right flick? you can specify that the character terminates. For example, you can also enter the letter ?a? as follows, using two gestures only: one finger tap on the left rectangle; one finger right flick. Example 2 Let?s see another example with the letter ?f?. Use the following gestures to insert the letter ?f?: two finger tap; one finger tap on the left rectangle; three finger tap. You can also insert the letter ?f? as follows: two finger tap; one finger tap on the left rectangle; one finger right flick. Note that you can tap with two fingers wherever on the touchscreen. You are not required to tap with one finger on the left rectangle and the other finger on the right rectangle. Example 3 Use the following gestures to insert the letter ?l?: one finger left tap; one finger left tap; one finger left tap. Note that you can tap three times on the same position to save time. How To: Insert a Blank Space or a New Line Since a blank space is a Braille cell without any dot, you can insert it by repeating three times the three finger tap. Alternatively, and much faster, you can make the one finger right flick gesture. To enter a new line, use this gesture: one finger down flick. List of Braille characters In the following we report the combination of gestures needed to enter the characters. a | one finger left tap, one finger right flick b | one finger left tap, one finger left tap, one finger right flick c | two finger tap, one finger right flick d | two finger tap, one finger right tap, one finger right flick e | one finger left tap, one finger right tap, one finger right flick f | two finger tap, one finger left tap, one finger right flick g | two finger tap, two finger tap, one finger right flick h | one finger left tap, two finger tap, one finger right flick i | one finger right tap, one finger left tap, one finger right flick j | one finger right tap, two finger tap, one finger right flick k | one finger left tap, three finger tap, one finger left tap l | one finger left tap, one finger left tap, one finger left tap m | two finger tap, three finger tap, one finger left tap n | two finger tap, one finger right tap, one finger left tap o | one finger left tap, one finger right tap, one finger left tap p | two finger tap, one finger left tap, one finger left tap q | two finger tap, two finger tap, one finger left tap r | one finger left tap, two finger tap, one finger left tap s | one finger right tap, one finger left tap, one finger left tap t | one finger right tap, two finger tap, one finger left tap u | one finger left tap, three finger tap, two finger tap v | one finger left tap, one finger left tap, two finger tap w | one finger right tap, two finger tap, one finger right tap x | two finger tap, three finger tap, two finger tap y | two finger tap, one finger right tap, two finger tap z | one finger left tap, one finger right tap, two finger tap . | three finger tap, three finger tap, one finger left tap , | three finger tap, one finger left tap, three finger tap ? | three finger tap, one finger left tap, one finger right tap ? | three finger tap, three finger tap, one finger right tap : | three finger tap, two finger tap, three finger tap ; | three finger tap, one finger left tap, one finger left tap ? | one finger right tap, three finger tap, three finger tap # | one finger right tap, one finger right tap, two finger tap $ | one finger right tap, three finger tap, one finger right tap How To: Enter a Capital Letter To write a capital letter, enter the ?capital letter sign? ($) followed by the letter. Example Enter capital ?A?. First enter the gestures for the capital letter sign: one finger right tap; three finger tap; one finger right tap. Then, enter the gestures for ?a?: one finger left tap; one finger right flick. When you enter a capital letter, the following letter will be lower case. For example, if you type the capital letter symbol followed by ?a? and ?b?, the result is an capital ?a? followed by a lower case ?b?. How To: Enter a Number To write a number, enter the ?number sign? (#) followed by the sequence of lowercase letters from ?a? to ?j? which correspond to the digits (?a?=1, ?b?=2, ? ?j?=0). Example Enter the number 12. First enter the gestures for the ?number sign?: one finger right tap; one finger right tap; two finger tap. Then, enter the gestures for the letter ?a? corresponding to digit ?1? followed by ?b? corresponding to digit ?2?: one finger left tap; one finger right flick; one finger left tap; one finger left tap; one finger right flick. Observe that you do not need to re-enter the ?number sign? for each digit: as long as you type a letter from ?a? to ?j? a comma or period you remain in the ?numeric mode? and digits will be inserted. When you type any other character (a blank space, for example) you will return in the ?letter mode? and can insert letters again. How To: Delete or Cancel There is a single gesture that can be used to delete the previous character entered and to cancel the character that is currently being entered. This gesture is the one finger left flick. If you are in the process of inserting a character, this gesture cancels the character being entered. If you did not start inserting a character, this gesture deletes the last inserted character. Example I want to enter the letter ?h?. The right sequence of gestures is: one finger left tap; two finger tap; three finger tap. I start making the following gestures: one finger left tap; one finger left tap; I realize the mistake. I should have entered a two finger tap gesture. I cancel all the gestures entered for the current symbol by making a one finger left flick gesture. I start again to enter the letter ?h?. How To: Navigate the Text Use the rotor gesture to enter ?navigation mode?. In ?navigation mode? you can use left and right flicks to move the focus in the text as follows: One finger left or right flicks move the cursor, character by character, on the left or on the right, respectively. Two finger left or right flicks move the cursor, word by word, on the left or on the right, respectively. Three finger left flick moves to the beginning of the text, while the three finger right flick moves the cursor to the end of the text. How To: Select Text Use the rotor gesture to enter in the ?selection mode?. In ?selection mode? you move the cursor and select the text that is between the original position of the cursor (i.e., before you entered in the ?selection mode?) and the current position of the cursor. The gestures that move the cursor are the same as the gestures used in the ?navigation mode?: One finger left or right flicks select the character on the left or on the right of the cursor, respectively. Two finger left or right flicks select the word on the left or on the right of the cursor, respectively. Three finger left flick selects text from the beginning to cursor, while the three finger right flick selects text from the cursor to the end of the text. How To: Use the Menu (Copy, Cut and Paste, Send Text) Open the menu with the one finger up flick. From the menu, choose the copy, cut and paste commands. Observe that the copy and cut commands require that some text is selected. When you paste some text, it will be inserted in the current position of the cursor. From the menu, you can also choose to send the text to the clipboard, via e-mail or via text message. If you send the text to the clipboard you can paste it in another iPhone application (e.g. Notes). Note that, when you send text via e-mail or text message, you can choose the message recipient either from the Contacts or by writing the destination address through the iPhone QWERTY keyboard, not through the TypeInBraille text-entry system. Enjoy Ed From n0oxy at charter.net Mon Nov 7 00:43:44 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 18:43:44 -0600 Subject: Some concerns about Adium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2F4BD668-DAFE-44E1-990F-A4776FA6E3A0@charter.net> there are a few ways to do this, in the adium preferences, if you go to the events tab, you can set each event to speak, including new messages. If you're using lion, make sure you are using Alex as your voice though or this will not work correctly. I think you can also use growl for this but I haven't tried it. On Nov 6, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > I've been told by people on this list that Adium is a good accessible > with VO messenger client. Well guys, I guess I'm not using it right > and I really need some help. > > Once I've seen a friend of mine is online and have pressed Enter on > there's details and sent them a message, how do I know when they have > replied and how do I read there message? > > Jonathan > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 01:53:53 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 17:53:53 -0800 Subject: Type In braille app for iphone In-Reply-To: <13C5694A-ADC8-4314-B013-77B5369969B8@yahoo.com> References: <13C5694A-ADC8-4314-B013-77B5369969B8@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <91F0156E-54D3-4096-B1A6-4B8ACD1289D1@gmail.com> That seems cool but as slow as malasis if you ask me. I like the consept though. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 . On Nov 6, 2011, at 3:51 PM, Ed Worrell wrote: > Hello listers? I have found a pretty neat app for a typing allternitave. It is called Type in braille, itunes link > is > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/typeinbraille/id474798075?ls=1 > Here is the Help Guied from the website to help you get started using the app > > http://www.everywaretechnologies.com/apps/typeinbraille/help > > TypeInBraille Help > > TypeInBraille is a mobile application that allows visually impaired users to type using Braille symbols. To use TypeInBraille turn VoiceOver on. > > How to Enter a character > > In Braille, each cell consists of three rows. On each row there are two dots, in one of these combinations: one raised dot on the left, one raised dot on the right, two raised dots, no raised dot. > Four gestures are available to insert each row. You insert a Braille character row by row. The iPhone touchscreen is vertically split into two rectangles, one on the left, one on the right. The gestures are listed below. > > One finger tap on the left rectangle: one raised dot on the left; > One finger tap on the right rectangle: one raised dot on the right; > Two finger tap: two dots; > Three finger tap: no dot. > Whenever you insert three gestures, each one corresponding to a row of the Braille cell, the character is entered. > > Example 1 > > Use the following gestures to enter the letter ?a?: > > one finger tap on the left rectangle; > three finger tap; > three finger tap. > Since some characters contain dots on the first and/or second row only, there is one additional gesture to speed up typing: with the ?one finger right flick? you can specify that the character terminates. For example, you can also enter the letter ?a? as follows, using two gestures only: > > one finger tap on the left rectangle; > one finger right flick. > Example 2 > > Let?s see another example with the letter ?f?. Use the following gestures to insert the letter ?f?: > > two finger tap; > one finger tap on the left rectangle; > three finger tap. > You can also insert the letter ?f? as follows: > > two finger tap; > one finger tap on the left rectangle; > one finger right flick. > Note that you can tap with two fingers wherever on the touchscreen. You are not required to tap with one finger on the left rectangle and the other finger on the right rectangle. > > Example 3 > > Use the following gestures to insert the letter ?l?: > one finger left tap; > one finger left tap; > one finger left tap. > Note that you can tap three times on the same position to save time. > > How To: Insert a Blank Space or a New Line > > Since a blank space is a Braille cell without any dot, you can insert it by repeating three times the three finger tap. Alternatively, and much faster, you can make the one finger right flick gesture. > > To enter a new line, use this gesture: one finger down flick. > > List of Braille characters > > In the following we report the combination of gestures needed to enter the characters. > > a | one finger left tap, one finger right flick > b | one finger left tap, one finger left tap, one finger right flick > c | two finger tap, one finger right flick > d | two finger tap, one finger right tap, one finger right flick > e | one finger left tap, one finger right tap, one finger right flick > f | two finger tap, one finger left tap, one finger right flick > g | two finger tap, two finger tap, one finger right flick > h | one finger left tap, two finger tap, one finger right flick > i | one finger right tap, one finger left tap, one finger right flick > j | one finger right tap, two finger tap, one finger right flick > k | one finger left tap, three finger tap, one finger left tap > l | one finger left tap, one finger left tap, one finger left tap > m | two finger tap, three finger tap, one finger left tap > n | two finger tap, one finger right tap, one finger left tap > o | one finger left tap, one finger right tap, one finger left tap > p | two finger tap, one finger left tap, one finger left tap > q | two finger tap, two finger tap, one finger left tap > r | one finger left tap, two finger tap, one finger left tap > s | one finger right tap, one finger left tap, one finger left tap > t | one finger right tap, two finger tap, one finger left tap > u | one finger left tap, three finger tap, two finger tap > v | one finger left tap, one finger left tap, two finger tap > w | one finger right tap, two finger tap, one finger right tap > x | two finger tap, three finger tap, two finger tap > y | two finger tap, one finger right tap, two finger tap > z | one finger left tap, one finger right tap, two finger tap > . | three finger tap, three finger tap, one finger left tap > , | three finger tap, one finger left tap, three finger tap > ? | three finger tap, one finger left tap, one finger right tap > ? | three finger tap, three finger tap, one finger right tap > : | three finger tap, two finger tap, three finger tap > ; | three finger tap, one finger left tap, one finger left tap > ? | one finger right tap, three finger tap, three finger tap > # | one finger right tap, one finger right tap, two finger tap > $ | one finger right tap, three finger tap, one finger right tap > How To: Enter a Capital Letter > > To write a capital letter, enter the ?capital letter sign? ($) followed by the letter. > > Example > > Enter capital ?A?. > First enter the gestures for the capital letter sign: > > one finger right tap; > three finger tap; > one finger right tap. > Then, enter the gestures for ?a?: > > one finger left tap; > one finger right flick. > When you enter a capital letter, the following letter will be lower case. For example, if you type the capital letter symbol followed by ?a? and ?b?, the result is an capital ?a? followed by a lower case ?b?. > > How To: Enter a Number > > To write a number, enter the ?number sign? (#) followed by the sequence of lowercase letters from ?a? to ?j? which correspond to the digits (?a?=1, ?b?=2, ? ?j?=0). > > Example > > Enter the number 12. > First enter the gestures for the ?number sign?: > > one finger right tap; > one finger right tap; > two finger tap. > Then, enter the gestures for the letter ?a? corresponding to digit ?1? followed by ?b? corresponding to digit ?2?: > > one finger left tap; > one finger right flick; > one finger left tap; > one finger left tap; > one finger right flick. > Observe that you do not need to re-enter the ?number sign? for each digit: as long as you type a letter from ?a? to ?j? a comma or period you remain in the ?numeric mode? and digits will be inserted. When you type any other character (a blank space, for example) you will return in the ?letter mode? and can insert letters again. > > How To: Delete or Cancel > > There is a single gesture that can be used to delete the previous character entered and to cancel the character that is currently being entered. This gesture is the one finger left flick. If you are in the process of inserting a character, this gesture cancels the character being entered. If you did not start inserting a character, this gesture deletes the last inserted character. > > Example > > I want to enter the letter ?h?. The right sequence of gestures is: > > one finger left tap; > two finger tap; > three finger tap. > I start making the following gestures: > > one finger left tap; > one finger left tap; > I realize the mistake. I should have entered a two finger tap gesture. > I cancel all the gestures entered for the current symbol by making a one finger left flick gesture. > I start again to enter the letter ?h?. > > How To: Navigate the Text > > Use the rotor gesture to enter ?navigation mode?. In ?navigation mode? you can use left and right flicks to move the focus in the text as follows: > > One finger left or right flicks move the cursor, character by character, on the left or on the right, respectively. > Two finger left or right flicks move the cursor, word by word, on the left or on the right, respectively. > Three finger left flick moves to the beginning of the text, while the three finger right flick moves the cursor to the end of the text. > How To: Select Text > > Use the rotor gesture to enter in the ?selection mode?. In ?selection mode? you move the cursor and select the text that is between the original position of the cursor (i.e., before you entered in the ?selection mode?) and the current position of the cursor. The gestures that move the cursor are the same as the gestures used in the ?navigation mode?: > > One finger left or right flicks select the character on the left or on the right of the cursor, respectively. > Two finger left or right flicks select the word on the left or on the right of the cursor, respectively. > Three finger left flick selects text from the beginning to cursor, while the three finger right flick selects text from the cursor to the end of the text. > How To: Use the Menu (Copy, Cut and Paste, Send Text) > > Open the menu with the one finger up flick. From the menu, choose the copy, cut and paste commands. Observe that the copy and cut commands require that some text is selected. When you paste some text, it will be inserted in the current position of the cursor. > > From the menu, you can also choose to send the text to the clipboard, via e-mail or via text message. If you send the text to the clipboard you can paste it in another iPhone application (e.g. Notes). Note that, when you send text via e-mail or text message, you can choose the message recipient either from the Contacts or by writing the destination address through the iPhone QWERTY keyboard, not through the TypeInBraille text-entry system. > > > > Enjoy Ed > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon Nov 7 02:03:47 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:03:47 -0500 Subject: PBS Presents: Steve Jobs - One Last Thing program In-Reply-To: <8536EC9F-33D6-44CC-98A3-16C4AEAB3C31@mac.com> References: <8536EC9F-33D6-44CC-98A3-16C4AEAB3C31@mac.com> Message-ID: <5F458F82-4D6C-487A-8B9D-3E00D93CCFD3@softcon.com> Thanks for that Esther. A very moving presentation indeed, even if it did used list banned phrases. :) Glad you found this for us. I didn't get to see it when it came on, so happy to have the chance to watch it later. A bit short on details, but still an excellent recap of things Steve had done. From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon Nov 7 02:13:36 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:13:36 -0500 Subject: email applications and voiceover In-Reply-To: <4eb2dd89.4dc6e30a.54d4.46ad@mx.google.com> References: <4eb2dd89.4dc6e30a.54d4.46ad@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <082F1683-8EEA-4D55-84D4-2947B215321F@softcon.com> There are alternative mail programs, one I've tried is called gnumail, and while it works just fine, I much prefer the apple interface (at least in tiger, leopard and snow leopard. Haven't tried lion yet, so can't comment on that one. You can locate gnumail if you want to try it out at: http://www.collaboration-world.com/gnumail It's initially built for 10.2, but I have used it in both 10.4, and 10.5 (didn't try it in 10.6) but it does come with source, so if it doesn't run on 10.7, it's possible it could be fixed. hth. From blindworrell at yahoo.com Mon Nov 7 02:18:19 2011 From: blindworrell at yahoo.com (Ed Worrell) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:18:19 -0700 Subject: Type In braille app for iphone In-Reply-To: <91F0156E-54D3-4096-B1A6-4B8ACD1289D1@gmail.com> References: <13C5694A-ADC8-4314-B013-77B5369969B8@yahoo.com> <91F0156E-54D3-4096-B1A6-4B8ACD1289D1@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thats what I thought at first too. I started to get use to the imput method and I really like it. Its a really cool concept. Ed From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon Nov 7 02:30:12 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 21:30:12 -0500 Subject: Rapid Weaver Web design software In-Reply-To: <635AF61D-7DA6-47B6-9284-D69ECE311367@mac-access.net> References: <635AF61D-7DA6-47B6-9284-D69ECE311367@mac-access.net> Message-ID: On Nov 4, 2011, at 7:25 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Roger > > To my knowledge there are no accessible packages of this type > available for Mac OSX. We actually wrote about this some time ago > and have been on the watch ever since for such a package. So fa, we > have discovered nothing. As far as creating html code goes, especially for those (like myself and Robert who prefer to hand code html) taco html editor (http:// www.tacosw.com) which Lynne and Gordon are registered users of, does indeed allow editing of html code, and will even assist with the html creation process, though their form generation leaves something to be desired, especiallly if you've never coded one before. On the other hand, if you know your html code, and you routinely code from scratch, as I do, you'll find taco html editor a real treat, as it gives you complete control over the production process, even when it inserts bits of code for you. You can download a 30-day full functional trial from the web site, so feel free to drop by and give it a whirl to see if it suits your purposes. If it doesn't, that's ok, I'm sure others have their favorites as well. From lyewchan at telus.net Mon Nov 7 03:50:33 2011 From: lyewchan at telus.net (Lovette Yewchan) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 19:50:33 -0800 Subject: back up In-Reply-To: <176549.29610.qm@smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <176549.29610.qm@smtp818.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9B0810ED-DE9B-4A68-B75A-BE9694046836@telus.net> Hi there. I've received a file from a friend who sent it in word format and I could not get VO to work to read it is this common or is there a sollution? My daughter ended up reading the stuff to me but I wondered if my old files would be unaccessable to me? Thanks. Lovette On 2011-11-06, at 1:06 AM, David Griffith wrote: > Just plug the external drive into the Imac. You may get a message asking > you if you want to use the drive for time machine backup. Say no to this. > Provided your Finder view options are set to show removable drives your > external drive will show on the desktop. > You can copy the files but as far as I am aware you need to run windows to > edit or delete files. If there is a way to get Lion to have read write > access I would be very interested. > > Regards > David Griffith > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Lovette Yewchan > Sent: 06 November 2011 00:47 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: back up > > Hi there. Can someone tell me how to take my files from my windows > xp to my imac? I have an external drive the the files are on. > I am also wondering how to learn to navigate the internet with VO. > Thanks for any help! > Lovette > > On 2011-11-05, at 4:19 PM, Jane wrote: > >> Also make sure the app switcher is only running apps you need while you're > working with the machine. I alway shave to clear my iDevice after my > daughter plays with it, because there's lots of stuff clogging up memory. >> >> Jane >> >> >> On Nov 5, 2011, at 6:58 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >> >>> The 3gs will be a bit slow with IOS5 but it should not be that extreme. > For the battery issue, apple is aware of this and it should be fixed in > 5.01, but you can do a few things in the mean time. If you have your phone > set to sync with icloud, turn this off, also in location services, go down > to system services and open that, turn off the automatic time zone option. >>> On Nov 5, 2011, at 4:06 AM, michael wrote: >>> >>>> Hi guys I run a iphone 3gs and since installing the os 5 i have found > it slugish and seams to drain the battery quicker. >>>> Plus it happens a bit wen I am in the middle of typing a text message > voice over gets very slow and slugish then it stops talking for a few > seconds then it takes me out ofmy text message and puts me on the home > screen. >>>> Please any idea's to help please guys. >>>> cheers Michael. >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access > forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6552 (20111018) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6552 (20111018) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6552 (20111018) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From michaelandjeanie at aapt.net.au Mon Nov 7 04:01:15 2011 From: michaelandjeanie at aapt.net.au (michael) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:01:15 +1100 Subject: help with apple email. Message-ID: <4FA0793F421D46C4A041BC95954DB226@CustomerPC> Hi guys is the email below the wright address to complane about voice over issues. cheers Michael. accesibility at apple.com From moriond at mac.com Mon Nov 7 04:13:06 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 18:13:06 -1000 Subject: Contacting Apple with Feedback about Accessibility Issues [was Re: help with apple email.] In-Reply-To: <4FA0793F421D46C4A041BC95954DB226@CustomerPC> References: <4FA0793F421D46C4A041BC95954DB226@CustomerPC> Message-ID: <53AEF796-6818-4A7C-A7AA-AC41CB1AF4C4@mac.com> Hello Michael, There is a second "s" in accessibility, The correct address to use to send feedback to Apple about VoiceOver issues is: accessibility at apple.com Cheers, Esther On Nov 6, 2011, at 18:01, michael wrote: > Hi guys is the email below the wright address to complane about voice over > issues. > cheers Michael. > accesibility at apple.com From michaelandjeanie at aapt.net.au Mon Nov 7 04:23:22 2011 From: michaelandjeanie at aapt.net.au (michael) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 15:23:22 +1100 Subject: Contacting Apple with Feedback about Accessibility Issues [was Re:help with apple email.] In-Reply-To: <53AEF796-6818-4A7C-A7AA-AC41CB1AF4C4@mac.com> References: <4FA0793F421D46C4A041BC95954DB226@CustomerPC> <53AEF796-6818-4A7C-A7AA-AC41CB1AF4C4@mac.com> Message-ID: <0B73D06763954389BECEA785F8343B3E@CustomerPC> Thanks for that Esther. cheers Michael. -----Original Message----- From: Esther Sent: Monday, November 07, 2011 3:13 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Contacting Apple with Feedback about Accessibility Issues [was Re:help with apple email.] Hello Michael, There is a second "s" in accessibility, The correct address to use to send feedback to Apple about VoiceOver issues is: accessibility at apple.com Cheers, Esther On Nov 6, 2011, at 18:01, michael wrote: > Hi guys is the email below the wright address to complane about voice over > issues. > cheers Michael. > accesibility at apple.com <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 04:57:17 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 20:57:17 -0800 Subject: Kickstarter find: Keep your MacBook cool and your fingers flying Message-ID: <2F5DC4C7-CA5A-459C-92CA-22E79F37FB87@gmail.com> Sorry This is long but I like the concepts and I think these will definatly be of some use once they hit the market. Kickstarter find: Keep your MacBook cool and your fingers flying Kickstarter continues to impress as a go-to resource for gadget accessories that tread somewhat off the beaten path. Two recent discoveries fit that description, and offer smart solutions for folks looking to shore up commonly cited iPad and MacBook Pro deficiencies. A MacBook Pro cooling stand that doesn?t compromise style Cooling stands that prop your MacBook Pro and provide a little more room for air circulation than you get from the thin elevation of the rubber pads are generally just frames without much attention paid to aesthetics. A cooler laptop theoretically means longer device life, since you can run it for longer while keeping the internal temperature down, and, as most dedicated computer users know, heat is the enemy of fragile internal components. The TILT is designed to be a cooling stand you?d be proud to put on your MacBook Pro, and even leave on. It clips directly to the bottom of your Apple notebook, and uses polycarbonate ABS made to look like your MacBook?s aluminum casing to blend in with Apple?s beautiful industrial design. Unlike most notebook stands, it features a closed bottom, which makes it easier to use on your lap, and it only adds less than an inch of height to the Mac as well as a light 8 ounces of weight. It also features a built-in fan system that?s powered via USB if you think you need even more heat-saving power than the added elevation provides. But the best part actually might be the tripod mount built in to the TILT. I can think of plenty of situations where having a MacBook Pro mounted on a tripod would come in handy, especially at photo or video shoots, or for an impromptu small group video or slide show viewing party. TILT has already met its Kickstarter funding goal, so it?ll become a reality. For now, only the model designed for the 15-inch MacBook Pro is going into production, but a 13-inch model is in the work. A pledge of $45 or more nabs you a pre-order. Touch typing, via a sleek featherweight device on the iPad I like my iPad, but I?ve never really been able to use it as a laptop replacement, at least not when it comes to writing. The touchscreen keyboard is fine for banging out a quick Twitter update, but for longer posts, it?s downright unpleasant, especially for someone as used to touch typing as I am. The TouchFire is a project that aims to bring touch typing to the iPad, in the least obtrusive way possible. The TouchFire is a thin, flexible keyboard overlay that can actually live within the iPad?s smart cover, so you can roll it up and away when not in use. Despite its thickness, it offers real force resistance when typing, so that you actually feel like you?re hitting keys, thanks to a series of micro-structures within each key designed by project co-founder Brad Melmon, a product designer and engineer with a strong resume. I can?t wait to get my hands on a TouchFire, because it looks like the perfect way to make creating written content on the iPad as easy as possible, without the need for Bluetooth accessories or elaborate add-ons. Like the TILT, it has already met its funding goal, so your pledge of $45 (the level at which you start qualifying for preorders) will definitely bear fruit. From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Mon Nov 7 05:07:31 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 23:07:31 -0600 Subject: Some concerns about Adium In-Reply-To: <52E622A3-FFB2-4322-9009-6BD6DE26AC17@virginmedia.com> References: <55E73EB7-2809-493D-9784-0F966CC35D74@googlemail.com> <8C224448-9175-4629-8EE2-CB9D3BB761BB@swbell.net> <59FA1798-3F45-4EA1-9942-A1F18512645F@googlemail.com> <52E622A3-FFB2-4322-9009-6BD6DE26AC17@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: hi I am having problems when I try to add a action to make the message read automatically. I go down to messages received and then i stop interacting with the events thing. I then go to add and the only choice I see there is run a apple script. is there something I am doing wrong or how do I change it? I hit vo space bar on the run apple scripts but that is the only choice there. Any help would be appreciated. On Nov 6, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi there! > here are some instructions! > From Nik! > I found them useful! >> To make this easier, you can set up events for Adium for specific sound sets. This means that you can technically enable various different events for sound sets, so if you like the iChat sounds, for example, you can switch to iChat when creating another notification preset. Obviously, you are not required to select different sounds, so if you want, you can simply leave that alone and simply use it for an easy switch of spoken events. >> >> To find the Events preferences, hit Command-Comma to go into Preferences, then interact with the Toolbar. Next, move to the events button and hit VO-Space to select it. In some cases in Adium, you are not thrown out of the toolbar as you should be,so simply stop interacting and move right with the VoiceOver keys to focus on the events table. >> >> If you just want to use the "Default notifications" you can leave the pop up alone which governs what notifications you are currently using. This allows for a high degree of customisation, allowing you to include extras should you wish to download them. It is also worth noting that it appears that you can save as many configurations as you would like to save. >> >> If you want to assign an event to a current notification, select the "Events" table, then interact with it. Now, simply move down with either VO-Down or down arrow on its own to move through the table, and when you see an notification you would like to assign an event to, simply stop interacting with the table, then VO-right until you reach the "Add" button and hit VO-Space. To see what events are currently assigned to a notification, simply move to the third column right next to the name of the notification. If you are not interacting, VoiceOver will automatically read all the columns in a row. In this case, if you want to expand a notification to remove one or more of its events, you can either use VO-Backslash to expand it or simply use the right arrow key which performs the same action. When expanding a notification, simply move to the event you would like to edit or remove, stop interacting if you are, and VO-right to either the "Edit" or "Remove" buttons. Editing obvi > ously lets you recreate the event as you see fit. >> >> Adding events is also relatively simply. You simply hit the "Add" button after selecting the notification you would like to add an event to, then select the type of event such as "Speak event." When selecting the different pop up choices, the options will change to reflect your selection. In the case of "Speak event," options to select exactly what is spoken such as name and time appear, including whether or not to use a custom speech rate and pitch as well as voice. If you uncheck the custom checkboxes, it will obey the options set under System Preferences in the Speech category. >> >> Additionally, you may also switch off Cursor Tracking with VO-Shift-F3. In this case, you obviously do not need these events in case you want to read them as they come in at your own leisure. Switching off Cursor Tracking is actually very handy, as the keyboard focus doesn't move the VoiceOver cursor. This enables you to read what you have written using the arrow keys only, and quickly read incoming information in any application as soon as it comes in by simply leaving the VoiceOver cursor in the preferred area. This is handy in Applications like Skype as well, particularly Skype 5.1. >> >> When you interact with the HTML content area, which VoiceOver reports as "unknown," you are primarily always put at the top of the chat. You can use a command like FN-Shift-VO-End to get to the bottom and FN-Shift--VO-Home to get to the top, though primarily you may be able to ditch the Shift key in favour of only using FN-VO home and end. >> >> I hope this helps. I wanted to provide the information about the events so that it might make it a bit easier and make it so that you have to move around less within Adium. >> >> Regards, >> Nic > > On 6 Nov 2011, at 23:32, Ian McNamara wrote: > >> do command and comma to get in to prefances then go to your accounts tab then go to events and it will come up with a list. if some one can explain better than me then that's fine. >> >> Ian McNamara >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Mon Nov 7 06:45:56 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 20:45:56 -1000 Subject: Free GigDaddy Multitrack Mixer Music App for iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad Message-ID: <8E9D9D6D-FC99-45B7-8C88-2222AB6536DA@mac.com> Hi All, For those of you with iOS devices and an interest in music and recording, the GigDaddy Multitrack Mixer app, normally $2.99, has been free for the last day or so. This is a music app that was made accessible over a year ago with inputs from a couple of VoiceOver iPhone users. There are a number of drum beat tracks, along with an optional metronome, and you can record and mix up to 4 tracks. The developer's web site (ioMetics LLC) has detailed instructions on how to use the app. This app is also posted on the AppleVis site, both under their app listing and current app deals. I'm not sure how long this app is going to remain free, but it's accessible, and pretty neat. Here's the App Store URL: http://www.iometics.info/GigDaddy/GigDaddy.html HTH. Cheers, Esther From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Nov 7 06:48:39 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 17:48:39 +1100 Subject: Free GigDaddy Multitrack Mixer Music App for iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad In-Reply-To: <8E9D9D6D-FC99-45B7-8C88-2222AB6536DA@mac.com> References: <8E9D9D6D-FC99-45B7-8C88-2222AB6536DA@mac.com> Message-ID: Yep, I bought this app some time ago and just haven't had the time to play with it, thanks for reminding me. How does it compare with Garage Band do you know? On 07/11/2011, at 5:45 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi All, > > For those of you with iOS devices and an interest in music and recording, the GigDaddy Multitrack Mixer app, normally $2.99, has been free for the last day or so. This is a music app that was made accessible over a year ago with inputs from a couple of VoiceOver iPhone users. There are a number of drum beat tracks, along with an optional metronome, and you can record and mix up to 4 tracks. > > The developer's web site (ioMetics LLC) has detailed instructions on how to use the app. This app is also posted on the AppleVis site, both under their app listing and current app deals. I'm not sure how long this app is going to remain free, but it's accessible, and pretty neat. Here's the App Store URL: > http://www.iometics.info/GigDaddy/GigDaddy.html > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Mon Nov 7 07:06:43 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2011 21:06:43 -1000 Subject: Free GigDaddy Multitrack Mixer Music App for iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad In-Reply-To: References: <8E9D9D6D-FC99-45B7-8C88-2222AB6536DA@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi Dane, Garageband can do a lot more by way of providing different synthetic instruments. For example, you can select "Keyboard", "Drums", "Guitar Amp", "Audio Recorder", "Sampler", "Smart Drums", "Smart Bass", "Smart Keyboard", and "Smart Guitar". The smart instruments let you set up sort of rhythm and chord sequence tracks. And you can record and combine up to 8 different tracks, I think. Also, if you're a guitar player you can get an interface like the AmpliTube iRig Mobile Guitar Rig (plugs into the headphone jack): http://www.ikmultimedia.com/irig/features/ or an Apogee Jam (plugs into dock connector port): http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/jam.php I don't know how well these work in practice, especially since the if you want VoiceOver feedback you might need to go through the headphone jack with an adapter (just as the iRig microphone works), but you can get potentially better sound through the dock connector port. Anyway, I haven't played through all the GarageBand options yet, but you can do a lot more. The GigDaddy setup is better for casually recording music ideas you're playing, and mixing with a drumbeat track (either ones that come with the app, or your own tracks that you upload). There are other people who could give you a better answer on this than I can. Cheers, Esther On Nov 6, 2011, at 20:48, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Yep, I bought this app some time ago and just haven't had the time to play with it, thanks for reminding me. > > How does it compare with Garage Band do you know? > > > On 07/11/2011, at 5:45 PM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> For those of you with iOS devices and an interest in music and recording, the GigDaddy Multitrack Mixer app, normally $2.99, has been free for the last day or so. This is a music app that was made accessible over a year ago with inputs from a couple of VoiceOver iPhone users. There are a number of drum beat tracks, along with an optional metronome, and you can record and mix up to 4 tracks. >> >> The developer's web site (ioMetics LLC) has detailed instructions on how to use the app. This app is also posted on the AppleVis site, both under their app listing and current app deals. I'm not sure how long this app is going to remain free, but it's accessible, and pretty neat. Here's the App Store URL: >> http://www.iometics.info/GigDaddy/GigDaddy.html >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 07:39:24 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 08:39:24 +0100 Subject: Which has greater usability/accessibility, Sound Flower or Jac oS X? In-Reply-To: <96D58082-2EAE-40A9-9D37-CAC9280E4186@mac-access.net> References: <96D58082-2EAE-40A9-9D37-CAC9280E4186@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6D82FAA4-862E-4B72-91EF-54DD55196E13@gmail.com> Hello James, Jac OS X is more meant for studio setups or in those cases where you need multiple inputs and outputs through aggregate devices or other methods. While I think Soundflower has similar capabilities, Soundflower needs to be accessed via the status bar which VoiceOver is unable to do with third-party icons. So, if you need to do more than what you're doing now, I'd switch to Jac OS X. Regards, Nicolai On Nov 6, 2011, at 10:02 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: > Hi folks, > > I am wanting to hijack system audio with Audio Hijack Pro and Amadeus Pro. I am wondering though which of the following offers greater accessibility/usability. Sound Flower or Jack oS X? > > Any thoughts greatly appreciated. > Thanks > TC :) > james > If you wish, you can contact me in the following ways: > E-Mail:james.austin at mac-access.net > MSN: james.londonsw15 at gmail.com > Skype: saulky1984 - if you'd like to share details, please let me know who you are when you send a request. Thank you > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 15:46:49 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 07:46:49 -0800 Subject: Some concerns about Adium In-Reply-To: References: <55E73EB7-2809-493D-9784-0F966CC35D74@googlemail.com> <8C224448-9175-4629-8EE2-CB9D3BB761BB@swbell.net> <59FA1798-3F45-4EA1-9942-A1F18512645F@googlemail.com> <52E622A3-FFB2-4322-9009-6BD6DE26AC17@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <47A815B5-4A1A-438F-B1B4-D5C0D991E0A4@gmail.com> I believe you have to go to the play sounds. Since I"m running a nightly build my interface might be slightly different then yours lol! On Nov 6, 2011, at 9:07 PM, michael maslo wrote: > hi I am having problems when I try to add a action to make the message read automatically. > > I go down to messages received and then i stop interacting with the events thing. I then go to add and the only choice I see there is run a apple script. > > is there something I am doing wrong or how do I change it? I hit vo space bar on the run apple scripts but that is the only choice there. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > > On Nov 6, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > >> Hi there! >> here are some instructions! >> From Nik! >> I found them useful! >>> To make this easier, you can set up events for Adium for specific sound sets. This means that you can technically enable various different events for sound sets, so if you like the iChat sounds, for example, you can switch to iChat when creating another notification preset. Obviously, you are not required to select different sounds, so if you want, you can simply leave that alone and simply use it for an easy switch of spoken events. >>> >>> To find the Events preferences, hit Command-Comma to go into Preferences, then interact with the Toolbar. Next, move to the events button and hit VO-Space to select it. In some cases in Adium, you are not thrown out of the toolbar as you should be,so simply stop interacting and move right with the VoiceOver keys to focus on the events table. >>> >>> If you just want to use the "Default notifications" you can leave the pop up alone which governs what notifications you are currently using. This allows for a high degree of customisation, allowing you to include extras should you wish to download them. It is also worth noting that it appears that you can save as many configurations as you would like to save. >>> >>> If you want to assign an event to a current notification, select the "Events" table, then interact with it. Now, simply move down with either VO-Down or down arrow on its own to move through the table, and when you see an notification you would like to assign an event to, simply stop interacting with the table, then VO-right until you reach the "Add" button and hit VO-Space. To see what events are currently assigned to a notification, simply move to the third column right next to the name of the notification. If you are not interacting, VoiceOver will automatically read all the columns in a row. In this case, if you want to expand a notification to remove one or more of its events, you can either use VO-Backslash to expand it or simply use the right arrow key which performs the same action. When expanding a notification, simply move to the event you would like to edit or remove, stop interacting if you are, and VO-right to either the "Edit" or "Remove" buttons. Editing obv > i >> ously lets you recreate the event as you see fit. >>> >>> Adding events is also relatively simply. You simply hit the "Add" button after selecting the notification you would like to add an event to, then select the type of event such as "Speak event." When selecting the different pop up choices, the options will change to reflect your selection. In the case of "Speak event," options to select exactly what is spoken such as name and time appear, including whether or not to use a custom speech rate and pitch as well as voice. If you uncheck the custom checkboxes, it will obey the options set under System Preferences in the Speech category. >>> >>> Additionally, you may also switch off Cursor Tracking with VO-Shift-F3. In this case, you obviously do not need these events in case you want to read them as they come in at your own leisure. Switching off Cursor Tracking is actually very handy, as the keyboard focus doesn't move the VoiceOver cursor. This enables you to read what you have written using the arrow keys only, and quickly read incoming information in any application as soon as it comes in by simply leaving the VoiceOver cursor in the preferred area. This is handy in Applications like Skype as well, particularly Skype 5.1. >>> >>> When you interact with the HTML content area, which VoiceOver reports as "unknown," you are primarily always put at the top of the chat. You can use a command like FN-Shift-VO-End to get to the bottom and FN-Shift--VO-Home to get to the top, though primarily you may be able to ditch the Shift key in favour of only using FN-VO home and end. >>> >>> I hope this helps. I wanted to provide the information about the events so that it might make it a bit easier and make it so that you have to move around less within Adium. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >> >> On 6 Nov 2011, at 23:32, Ian McNamara wrote: >> >>> do command and comma to get in to prefances then go to your accounts tab then go to events and it will come up with a list. if some one can explain better than me then that's fine. >>> >>> Ian McNamara >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Mon Nov 7 16:37:01 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 16:37:01 +0000 Subject: Which has greater usability/accessibility, Sound Flower or Jac oS X? In-Reply-To: <6D82FAA4-862E-4B72-91EF-54DD55196E13@gmail.com> References: <96D58082-2EAE-40A9-9D37-CAC9280E4186@mac-access.net> <6D82FAA4-862E-4B72-91EF-54DD55196E13@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46E62D72-4095-4588-91E7-31E5418B0FEC@mac-access.net> Hi Nicolai, Thanks very much. I'll go and install Jack OS X TC :) james You can contact me in the following ways: E-Mail:james.austin at mac-access.net MSN: james.londonsw15 at gmail.com Skype: saulky1984 - if you'd like to share details, please let me know who you are when you send a request. Thank you On 7 Nov 2011, at 07:39, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hello James, > > Jac OS X is more meant for studio setups or in those cases where you need multiple inputs and outputs through aggregate devices or other methods. While I think Soundflower has similar capabilities, Soundflower needs to be accessed via the status bar which VoiceOver is unable to do with third-party icons. > > So, if you need to do more than what you're doing now, I'd switch to Jac OS X. > > Regards, > Nicolai > On Nov 6, 2011, at 10:02 PM, James AUSTIN wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> I am wanting to hijack system audio with Audio Hijack Pro and Amadeus Pro. I am wondering though which of the following offers greater accessibility/usability. Sound Flower or Jack oS X? >> >> Any thoughts greatly appreciated. >> Thanks >> TC :) >> james >> If you wish, you can contact me in the following ways: >> E-Mail:james.austin at mac-access.net >> MSN: james.londonsw15 at gmail.com >> Skype: saulky1984 - if you'd like to share details, please let me know who you are when you send a request. Thank you >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From caitlyn.furness at gmail.com Mon Nov 7 18:46:50 2011 From: caitlyn.furness at gmail.com (Caitlyn Furness) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 13:46:50 -0500 Subject: A tip to save space on your IOS device In-Reply-To: <4EB30497.40001@internode.on.net> References: <4EB30497.40001@internode.on.net> Message-ID: How do you remove the artwork? from both iTunes on the mac and on the i device? thanks, Caitlyn On Nov 3, 2011, at 5:16 PM, Dane trethowan wrote: > A friend has just alerted me to this on Twitter. > > When you add songs to your IOS device with Itunes you're also adding art work which can take up quite a bit of space. art Work is - as far as I know - such things as album covers for the album the song is from and so on. > > If you don't need to read the screen then why do you need to look at the art work , I'm yet to find out how this is done but I'm certainly going to remove all the Album Art Work from my Itunes library in order that I'm able to put more music onto my iPhone and Ipad, naturally this is something you don't need to concern yourself with if you're using a player independent of Itunes on your IOS device such as Oplayer.. > > > -- > sent from my HP Powerhouse Notebook. > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mike at busboom.at Mon Nov 7 18:53:13 2011 From: mike at busboom.at (Michael Busboom) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:53:13 +0100 Subject: Documentation for iPhone 4, iOS5 and Voice Over Message-ID: <132A658C-C092-432A-9411-6E3EC65293A3@busboom.at> Hello everyone, I have recently acquired an iPhone 4 with iOS5. I am wondering where I can obtain documentation on how to use the phone with VoiceOver. There are lots of gestures and probably a lot of tricks one can employ to maximize usage of the phone. I would be grateful if someone could point me to a link where I can get documentation or hear podcasts on this subject. Kindest regards to all, Mike From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Mon Nov 7 19:00:07 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:00:07 +0000 Subject: Documentation for iPhone 4, iOS5 and Voice Over In-Reply-To: <132A658C-C092-432A-9411-6E3EC65293A3@busboom.at> References: <132A658C-C092-432A-9411-6E3EC65293A3@busboom.at> Message-ID: <4DA32BE5-33C7-4C9C-AA78-20189FF4E5BD@virginmedia.com> Hi Michael! This link should help! Colin http://help.apple.com/iphone/5/voiceover/en/index.html On 7 Nov 2011, at 18:53, Michael Busboom wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I have recently acquired an iPhone 4 with iOS5. I am wondering where I can obtain documentation on how to use the phone with VoiceOver. There are lots of gestures and probably a lot of tricks one can employ to maximize usage of the phone. I would be grateful if someone could point me to a link where I can get documentation or hear podcasts on this subject. > > Kindest regards to all, > > Mike > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mike at busboom.at Mon Nov 7 19:09:00 2011 From: mike at busboom.at (Michael Busboom) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 20:09:00 +0100 Subject: Documentation for iPhone 4, iOS5 and Voice Over In-Reply-To: <4DA32BE5-33C7-4C9C-AA78-20189FF4E5BD@virginmedia.com> References: <132A658C-C092-432A-9411-6E3EC65293A3@busboom.at> <4DA32BE5-33C7-4C9C-AA78-20189FF4E5BD@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: Hello Colin, I would like to be able to read all of the documentation to which you referred on my Victor Reader Stream. Do you per chance know of a program that would let me download the URL and all of the texts within the links in the document? If there isn't such a beast, then I will gladly read it at my Mac. Best regards and thanks! Mike On 7,Nov,2011, at 8:00 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi Michael! > This link should help! > Colin > > http://help.apple.com/iphone/5/voiceover/en/index.html > > On 7 Nov 2011, at 18:53, Michael Busboom wrote: > >> Hello everyone, >> >> I have recently acquired an iPhone 4 with iOS5. I am wondering where I can obtain documentation on how to use the phone with VoiceOver. There are lots of gestures and probably a lot of tricks one can employ to maximize usage of the phone. I would be grateful if someone could point me to a link where I can get documentation or hear podcasts on this subject. >> >> Kindest regards to all, >> >> Mike >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Mon Nov 7 19:45:26 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:45:26 +0000 Subject: Documentation for iPhone 4, iOS5 and Voice Over In-Reply-To: References: <132A658C-C092-432A-9411-6E3EC65293A3@busboom.at> <4DA32BE5-33C7-4C9C-AA78-20189FF4E5BD@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <998AA473-AC29-43AC-A584-3D648FD5A597@virginmedia.com> Hi Michael! I'm sorry I've no knowledge of that stuff! :] Never use it! Colin On 7 Nov 2011, at 19:09, Michael Busboom wrote: > Hello Colin, > > I would like to be able to read all of the documentation to which you referred on my Victor Reader Stream. Do you per chance know of a program that would let me download the URL and all of the texts within the links in the document? If there isn't such a beast, then I will gladly read it at my Mac. > > Best regards and thanks! > > Mike > > On 7,Nov,2011, at 8:00 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > >> Hi Michael! >> This link should help! >> Colin >> >> http://help.apple.com/iphone/5/voiceover/en/index.html >> >> On 7 Nov 2011, at 18:53, Michael Busboom wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone, >>> >>> I have recently acquired an iPhone 4 with iOS5. I am wondering where I can obtain documentation on how to use the phone with VoiceOver. There are lots of gestures and probably a lot of tricks one can employ to maximise usage of the phone. I would be grateful if someone could point me to a link where I can get documentation or hear podcasts on this subject. >>> >>> Kindest regards to all, >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Mon Nov 7 21:01:59 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2011 11:01:59 -1000 Subject: Documentation for iPhone 4, iOS5 and Voice Over In-Reply-To: <998AA473-AC29-43AC-A584-3D648FD5A597@virginmedia.com> References: <132A658C-C092-432A-9411-6E3EC65293A3@busboom.at> <4DA32BE5-33C7-4C9C-AA78-20189FF4E5BD@virginmedia.com> <998AA473-AC29-43AC-A584-3D648FD5A597@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <4AD00865-0658-4B8D-8721-ECDFC164C03D@mac.com> Hi Michael, I'll point you to John Panarese's MacForTheBlind web pages that have this documentation in other formats: http://macfortheblind.com/documentation?page_id=12 You'll be able to get .rtf format files for the iPhone iOS 5.0 user guide, and for iOS 5 keyboard commands and gestures. Note that the latter, in particular will not be up to date. So if you care about learning, for example, the keyboard shortcuts and commands for using Braille devices with your iPhone, you should visit the current web site from which this earlier document was generated (Daniel G?ransson's AxS Lab page on "iOS VoiceOver Gesture, Keyboard & Braille Shortcuts", mentioned in previous recent posts on this list): http://axslab.com/ios-shortcuts If you have an Apple Wireless Keyboard, you'll be able to pair it via Bluetooth with your iPhone and use it for both keyboard navigation and text entry. (Note that the documented shortcut for switching between active apps with Command+Tab does not work under iOS 5, although it worked under iOS 4.) Most, but not all, commands can be executed by keyboard, but there are instances where there is no equivalent for VoiceOver gestures. That's also true for the use of paired Braille devices, and timing of your typing with these devices can be tricky. The accessible HTML version of the iPhone User Guide also shows up as a bookmark under the Safari App of your iPhone, and I believe this should come up in whatever language you used to activate your iPhone, or else you may be able to change the language. And incidentally, if you want the iPhone user guide for iOS 5 that Colin linked in German instead of English, just change the two letter code at the end from "e n" for English to "d e" for German -- for example: http://help.apple.com/iphone/5/voiceover/de/ If this is your first iOS touch screen device, I strongly suggest that you create a link to the section on VoiceOver and save it as an icon on your iPhone home screen for quick direct access. For example, in the iPhone User Guide you might use the link for "VoiceOver": http://help.apple.com/iphone/5/voiceover/en/iph3e2e4218.html Or, you could navigate down to a link for a specific section, like "VoiceOver Gestures": http://help.apple.com/ipodtouch/5/voiceover/en/iph3e2e2281.html If you send yourself an email with this link, and then double tap the link when you read your message in mail, Safari on your iPhone will open up to the page you've linked. Double tap the "Utilities" button at the bottom of your screen in the Safari app, just above the "Home" button. Then double tap either the "Add Bookmark" button to add that section of the guide as a bookmark to Safari, or double tap the "Add to Home Screen" button if you want to add an icon to access that section of the user guide from your home screen. I used this feature a lot when I first learned VoiceOver on the third generation iPod Touch. You may have read Michael Freeman's article in the October Braille Monitor on "My Adventures with the iPhone": http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm11/bm1109/bm1109tc.htm Some of those tips may help you. He references the book by Dean Martineau and Anna Dresner called "Getting Started with the iPhone" from National Braille Press: http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/IPHONE.html This was written for iOS 4, but you may still find it useful, because it covers a lot of the concepts and actions that are part of using the iPhone. I also happen to think that the Accessible World Tek Talk podcast that Dean and Anna made for this book back in February 2011 is worth listening to if you're a new user. If you go to: http://www.accessibleworld.org/ and type in their names into the search box, e.g.: "dresner martineau" you'll get a link to the mp3 file of that podcast. Another good resource are the Vision Australia Technology podcasts. Go to: http://www.visionaustralia.org/info.aspx?page=2287 Check out the podcasts under both the links for iOS 5 with VoiceOver and iOS 4 with VoiceOver. Finally, there are all sorts of other podcasts out there. Mike Arrigo has done some on Blind Cool Tech (along with everything else!). Dean Martineau did one there quite a while ago on reorganizing the home screen. There are several reviews of apps. Hope this helps. Cheers, Esther On Nov 7, 2011, at 09:45, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi Michael! > I'm sorry I've no knowledge of that stuff! :] > Never use it! > Colin > > On 7 Nov 2011, at 19:09, Michael Busboom wrote: > >> Hello Colin, >> >> I would like to be able to read all of the documentation to which you referred on my Victor Reader Stream. Do you per chance know of a program that would let me download the URL and all of the texts within the links in the document? If there isn't such a beast, then I will gladly read it at my Mac. >> >> Best regards and thanks! >> >> Mike >> >> On 7,Nov,2011, at 8:00 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: >> >>> Hi Michael! >>> This link should help! >>> Colin >>> >>> http://help.apple.com/iphone/5/voiceover/en/index.html >>> >>> On 7 Nov 2011, at 18:53, Michael Busboom wrote: >>> >>>> Hello everyone, >>>> >>>> I have recently acquired an iPhone 4 with iOS5. I am wondering where I can obtain documentation on how to use the phone with VoiceOver. There are lots of gestures and probably a lot of tricks one can employ to maximise usage of the phone. I would be grateful if someone could point me to a link where I can get documentation or hear podcasts on this subject. >>>> >>>> Kindest regards to all, >>>> >>>> Mike From billd at insightbb.com Tue Nov 8 00:50:30 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2011 19:50:30 -0500 Subject: two questions Message-ID: Hello, I have been wondering if anyone has used the mac with voice over on the Audible.com web sight. I have been there and have been having some problems with finding what I want on the sight. is it me or the sight? my next question is about the I Pad. when I bought this I Mac it was an older model. I am not sure if I want to have it up graded or use the money I would spend to get an I Pad? what I am wondering is can the I Pad do every thing a lap top computer can do? can you use an external key-board with it? Bill Deatherage From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Nov 8 02:26:32 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:26:32 +1100 Subject: Some concerns about Adium In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <68C8E8DB-C23E-4361-A18B-498C3BDB0FE9@internode.on.net> You can do one of either things, you can set up Growl to tell you when Adium events occur such as when someone replies to you online, when someone is typing a message etc. You can go into Adium preferences themselves and set up events there both with sounds and speech, for example you can set up an event which will play a sound when your friend has written a message and read that message out to you. On 07/11/2011, at 10:20 AM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > I've been told by people on this list that Adium is a good accessible > with VO messenger client. Well guys, I guess I'm not using it right > and I really need some help. > > Once I've seen a friend of mine is online and have pressed Enter on > there's details and sent them a message, how do I know when they have > replied and how do I read there message? > > Jonathan > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 11:24:31 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:24:31 +0000 Subject: Some concerns about Adium In-Reply-To: <68C8E8DB-C23E-4361-A18B-498C3BDB0FE9@internode.on.net> References: <68C8E8DB-C23E-4361-A18B-498C3BDB0FE9@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Thanks for all the replies, they will certainly make using adium a much better experience for me. This does highlight an issue I've been thinking about for a while though. Switching to the Mac is hard, not just because you're using a new OS and screen reader, but because yu need to learn to use each program from scratch. It would be great if there was some sort of resource, like a Mac starter kit, for vO users. It would list the best programs to use for all the basic tasks and have instructions on how to both set up and use each App. Anyone fancy doing this? JT On 08/11/2011, Dane Trethowan wrote: > You can do one of either things, you can set up Growl to tell you when Adium > events occur such as when someone replies to you online, when someone is > typing a message etc. > > You can go into Adium preferences themselves and set up events there both > with sounds and speech, for example you can set up an event which will play > a sound when your friend has written a message and read that message out to > you. > > > On 07/11/2011, at 10:20 AM, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > >> I've been told by people on this list that Adium is a good accessible >> with VO messenger client. Well guys, I guess I'm not using it right >> and I really need some help. >> >> Once I've seen a friend of mine is online and have pressed Enter on >> there's details and sent them a message, how do I know when they have >> replied and how do I read there message? >> >> Jonathan >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Nov 8 11:27:23 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:27:23 +0000 Subject: sim fee iPhone: be very very careful. Message-ID: <55863A2D-E3A1-4870-ADA6-B83385D17F1B@computing.dcu.ie> Folks, I've been looking into purchasing an iPhone 4S sim free. This is just a friendly note of caution to be *very* careful as some companies are charging extortionate prices. I'm not breaching any rules here by saying that if one compares the prices on the Applestore, to those offered by expansys you'll see a marked difference. *this applies to uk/Irish residents in the case of the company in question, but I'm sure it's pretty universal. Avoid rip offs. D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 11:29:12 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:29:12 +0000 Subject: bbc.co.uj/iplayer Message-ID: I'm over tired and feeling a bit dozy. Maybe that's why I can't use the iplayer online? I'm not seeing the usual play/pause buttons Etc. that I see with JAWS. Help? JT From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 11:32:10 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 12:32:10 +0100 Subject: sim fee iPhone: be very very careful. In-Reply-To: <55863A2D-E3A1-4870-ADA6-B83385D17F1B@computing.dcu.ie> References: <55863A2D-E3A1-4870-ADA6-B83385D17F1B@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Hi! I find a bit of irony in this post, at least in my case. Apple actually charges more than another Apple authorized retailer for a sim-free iPhone 4S, by just about $250. While I'm still waiting for it to ship, and while they're cutting their shipping date a bit too close to their estimate they gave me, I know they're legit. I just tend to worry when they said one to two weeks from Friday October 28, and I'm on my second week with only a few days to spare. I think my worry stems from the fact that my shipping estimates have always been generous, but this one is not. Even so, your warning is very true. I've seen a lot of stores that charge a lot more than they should, even for those on contract. Regards, Nicolai On Nov 8, 2011, at 12:27 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Folks, > > I've been looking into purchasing an iPhone 4S sim free. This is just a friendly note of caution to be *very* careful as some companies are charging extortionate prices. I'm not breaching any rules here by saying that if one compares the prices on the Applestore, to those offered by expansys you'll see a marked difference. *this applies to uk/Irish residents in the case of the company in question, but I'm sure it's pretty universal. > > Avoid rip offs. > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Nov 8 11:47:35 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:47:35 +0000 Subject: sim fee iPhone: be very very careful. In-Reply-To: References: <55863A2D-E3A1-4870-ADA6-B83385D17F1B@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <91B770EA-521D-427C-A469-537C3AE8B6AF@computing.dcu.ie> I know what you mean Nick, but just to put this in context. iPhone 4S black on apple ?699. On expansys.ie 974.99. Both 32GB. On 8 Nov 2011, at 11:32, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > I find a bit of irony in this post, at least in my case. Apple actually charges more than another Apple authorized retailer for a sim-free iPhone 4S, by just about $250. > > While I'm still waiting for it to ship, and while they're cutting their shipping date a bit too close to their estimate they gave me, I know they're legit. I just tend to worry when they said one to two weeks from Friday October 28, and I'm on my second week with only a few days to spare. I think my worry stems from the fact that my shipping estimates have always been generous, but this one is not. > > Even so, your warning is very true. I've seen a lot of stores that charge a lot more than they should, even for those on contract. > > Regards, > Nicolai > On Nov 8, 2011, at 12:27 PM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> I've been looking into purchasing an iPhone 4S sim free. This is just a friendly note of caution to be *very* careful as some companies are charging extortionate prices. I'm not breaching any rules here by saying that if one compares the prices on the Applestore, to those offered by expansys you'll see a marked difference. *this applies to uk/Irish residents in the case of the company in question, but I'm sure it's pretty universal. >> >> Avoid rip offs. >> >> D?nal >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Tue Nov 8 12:14:54 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:14:54 +0000 Subject: Observation with Calendar and Reminder Message-ID: <4EB91D3E.8060608@techno-chat.net> Hello all. Can I make an observation here with the iPod Touch and iPhone 4. 1. I set a reminder using the Reminders app on my iPhone, and the reminder went off on both the iPhone and iPod Touch. 2. I added an event to the Calendar app on my iPod Touch. The event went off on both the iPod Touch and iPhone 4. In both scenarios, why am I getting the notifications on both devices? Is this something to do with a feature in iOS 5? Only asking that is all. It's pretty cool to have apps synchronized with each other. Thanks! From billd at insightbb.com Tue Nov 8 12:59:40 2011 From: billd at insightbb.com (William Deatherage) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 07:59:40 -0500 Subject: 4 questions Message-ID: Hello, I sent a message last night and am not sure if something went wrong on my part so if the same message comes through twice I apologize in advance. I have a few questions I have been thinking about. first of all, what is the name of the word processing program on the mac. or the one that comes with the mac. I am using Snow Leopard. Second, has anyone used the Mac on Audible? I like the service to download books but have been having prouble with it using the Mac. does anyone have any suggestions? Third, My I mac is an older one and I am not sure if I can upgrade it to Lion. I have been thinking about saving the money I would use to upgrade it and getting the I Pad. can use use the I Pad like a lap top computer and can it do everything a lap top can. I have a keyboard that I use with my I phone3 GS. can i also use the keyboard with the I Pad. Thank you in advance. Bill Deatherage From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Tue Nov 8 13:30:50 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 13:30:50 +0000 Subject: 4 questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <665C0928-AD54-4DB5-A97C-3EDA5DC4A24A@virginmedia.com> Hi Bill! The word processor is text edit! Your keyboard should pair with the Ipad! Maybe if you could get some more info about your Mac from the About this Mac under Apple in the main menu someone might be able to tell you if [or what] you could do to upgrade! Sorry I cannot answer any more of your questions! But I hope this helps a little! Colin On 8 Nov 2011, at 12:59, William Deatherage wrote: > Hello, > I sent a message last night and am not sure if something went wrong on my part so if the same message comes through twice I apologise in advance. > I have a few questions I have been thinking about. > first of all, what is the name of the word processing program on the mac. or the one that comes with the mac. I am using Snow Leopard. > > Second, has anyone used the Mac on Audible? I like the service to download books but have been having trouble with it using the Mac. does anyone have any suggestions? > Third, My I mac is an older one and I am not sure if I can upgrade it to Lion. I have been thinking about saving the money I would use to upgrade it and getting the I Pad. can use use the I Pad like a lap top computer and can it do everything a lap top can. > I have a keyboard that I use with my I phone3 GS. can i also use the keyboard with the I Pad. > Thank you in advance. > Bill Deatherage > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From 1smartdog at cox.net Tue Nov 8 14:43:59 2011 From: 1smartdog at cox.net (1SmartDog@cox.net) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 08:43:59 -0600 Subject: Observation with Calendar and Reminder References: <4EB91D3E.8060608@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: Yes, it's the ICloud feature at work there. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris hallsworth" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 6:14 AM Subject: Observation with Calendar and Reminder > Hello all. > Can I make an observation here with the iPod Touch and iPhone 4. > 1. I set a reminder using the Reminders app on my iPhone, and the reminder > went off on both the iPhone and iPod Touch. > 2. I added an event to the Calendar app on my iPod Touch. The event went > off on both the iPod Touch and iPhone 4. > In both scenarios, why am I getting the notifications on both devices? Is > this something to do with a feature in iOS 5? > Only asking that is all. It's pretty cool to have apps synchronized with > each other. > Thanks! > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Tue Nov 8 14:54:38 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 14:54:38 +0000 Subject: We are just home from hospital; again! Message-ID: <12C02A72-E246-43DA-9CBC-A783E8876AF7@mac-access.net> Hello everybody For the benefit of those of you waiting for support responses, (and there are several), please give us a little time. We've been hospitalised since Saturday and have just arrived home. We are just playing catch-up and will get to you shortly. We are sorry for any inconvenience. Lynne From cfgolding at comcast.net Tue Nov 8 15:00:17 2011 From: cfgolding at comcast.net (Catherine Golding) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 07:00:17 -0800 Subject: Learning the IOS10 Message-ID: <001401cc9e27$21422d40$63c687c0$@net> I just purchased a MacBook Air and am wondering if there is a Braille or ebook version to help me learn it. And, does IWorks come with it, and where do I find it? Catherine Golding Olympia, Washington From 1smartdog at cox.net Tue Nov 8 15:09:08 2011 From: 1smartdog at cox.net (1SmartDog@cox.net) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 09:09:08 -0600 Subject: Shortcuts, etc. Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Apparently I am searching in the wrong places...Not long ago someone indicated a key combination of cmd+shift+t to quickly add an application to the dock. This was very helpful as I was looking for the same thing. To my question, is there a list somewhere of these sorts of key combinations for VO users? Most of my function with my new Macbook Pro has been accident and trial and error, frustrating at best. Thanks, Karen From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Tue Nov 8 15:44:12 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:44:12 +0000 Subject: bbc.co.uj/iplayer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0D1E9C31-AD79-41E7-9817-799AD639C491@hopewell.org.uk> Hello Jonathan, Presumably you are asking about the BBC iPlayer on a Mac rather than on an IOS device. the bad news is that the BBC iPlayer uses Adobe Flash which is not accessible on a Mac. So you cannot see the play etc buttons which you can see with JAWs. the good news is that you can use the free application Get iPlayer Automator which will download TV and radio programs from the BBC onto your Mac where you can then play them using QUicktime or iTunes. I use Get iPlayer Automator a lot on Lion 10.7.2 and it works very well. I had to change its preferences to set up a different download location (the default one did not work) and to change the proxy setting to None. Use Google to find where to download Get iPlayer Automator. Feel free to contact me if you have any problems but please note that I am away from 9 through 13 November. Best wishes.... Paul Hopewell From support at mac-access.net Tue Nov 8 15:57:51 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:57:51 +0000 Subject: New Member Welcome Message-ID: Hello everybody It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome: Catherine Golding to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. Catherine; We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but have a keen interest. We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope this clarifies the position. 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For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From mike at busboom.at Tue Nov 8 15:58:45 2011 From: mike at busboom.at (Michael Busboom) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 16:58:45 +0100 Subject: Documentation for iPhone 4, iOS5 and Voice Over In-Reply-To: <4AD00865-0658-4B8D-8721-ECDFC164C03D@mac.com> References: <132A658C-C092-432A-9411-6E3EC65293A3@busboom.at> <4DA32BE5-33C7-4C9C-AA78-20189FF4E5BD@virginmedia.com> <998AA473-AC29-43AC-A584-3D648FD5A597@virginmedia.com> <4AD00865-0658-4B8D-8721-ECDFC164C03D@mac.com> Message-ID: <8B06D13E-909E-4738-B995-8D340A27CCE0@busboom.at> Esther, you are incredible. Thanks so much for all this information. I am currently in Innsbruck, getting ready to attend a Bob Dylan and Mark Knopfler concert, but you can be sure that as soon as I get back home to Vienna, I will start to go through the links you so kindly provided. Thanks again and my very best, Mike On 7,Nov,2011, at 10:01 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Michael, > > I'll point you to John Panarese's MacForTheBlind web pages that have this documentation in other formats: > http://macfortheblind.com/documentation?page_id=12 > > You'll be able to get .rtf format files for the iPhone iOS 5.0 user guide, and for iOS 5 keyboard commands and gestures. Note that the latter, in particular will not be up to date. So if you care about learning, for example, the keyboard shortcuts and commands for using Braille devices with your iPhone, you should visit the current web site from which this earlier document was generated (Daniel G?ransson's AxS Lab page on "iOS VoiceOver Gesture, Keyboard & Braille Shortcuts", mentioned in previous recent posts on this list): > http://axslab.com/ios-shortcuts > If you have an Apple Wireless Keyboard, you'll be able to pair it via Bluetooth with your iPhone and use it for both keyboard navigation and text entry. (Note that the documented shortcut for switching between active apps with Command+Tab does not work under iOS 5, although it worked under iOS 4.) Most, but not all, commands can be executed by keyboard, but there are instances where there is no equivalent for VoiceOver gestures. That's also true for the use of paired Braille devices, and timing of your typing with these devices can be tricky. > > The accessible HTML version of the iPhone User Guide also shows up as a bookmark under the Safari App of your iPhone, and I believe this should come up in whatever language you used to activate your iPhone, or else you may be able to change the language. And incidentally, if you want the iPhone user guide for iOS 5 that Colin linked in German instead of English, just change the two letter code at the end from "e n" for English to "d e" for German -- for example: > http://help.apple.com/iphone/5/voiceover/de/ > > If this is your first iOS touch screen device, I strongly suggest that you create a link to the section on VoiceOver and save it as an icon on your iPhone home screen for quick direct access. For example, in the iPhone User Guide you might use the link for "VoiceOver": > http://help.apple.com/iphone/5/voiceover/en/iph3e2e4218.html > Or, you could navigate down to a link for a specific section, like "VoiceOver Gestures": > http://help.apple.com/ipodtouch/5/voiceover/en/iph3e2e2281.html > If you send yourself an email with this link, and then double tap the link when you read your message in mail, Safari on your iPhone will open up to the page you've linked. Double tap the "Utilities" button at the bottom of your screen in the Safari app, just above the "Home" button. Then double tap either the "Add Bookmark" button to add that section of the guide as a bookmark to Safari, or double tap the "Add to Home Screen" button if you want to add an icon to access that section of the user guide from your home screen. > > I used this feature a lot when I first learned VoiceOver on the third generation iPod Touch. > > You may have read Michael Freeman's article in the October Braille Monitor on "My Adventures with the iPhone": > http://www.nfb.org/images/nfb/Publications/bm/bm11/bm1109/bm1109tc.htm > Some of those tips may help you. He references the book by Dean Martineau and Anna Dresner called "Getting Started with the iPhone" from National Braille Press: > http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/IPHONE.html > This was written for iOS 4, but you may still find it useful, because it covers a lot of the concepts and actions that are part of using the iPhone. I also happen to think that the Accessible World Tek Talk podcast that Dean and Anna made for this book back in February 2011 is worth listening to if you're a new user. If you go to: > http://www.accessibleworld.org/ > and type in their names into the search box, e.g.: "dresner martineau" you'll get a link to the mp3 file of that podcast. > > Another good resource are the Vision Australia Technology podcasts. Go to: > http://www.visionaustralia.org/info.aspx?page=2287 > > Check out the podcasts under both the links for iOS 5 with VoiceOver and iOS 4 with VoiceOver. Finally, there are all sorts of other podcasts out there. Mike Arrigo has done some on Blind Cool Tech (along with everything else!). Dean Martineau did one there quite a while ago on reorganizing the home screen. There are several reviews of apps. > > Hope this helps. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Nov 7, 2011, at 09:45, Red.Falcon wrote: > >> Hi Michael! >> I'm sorry I've no knowledge of that stuff! :] >> Never use it! >> Colin >> >> On 7 Nov 2011, at 19:09, Michael Busboom wrote: >> >>> Hello Colin, >>> >>> I would like to be able to read all of the documentation to which you referred on my Victor Reader Stream. Do you per chance know of a program that would let me download the URL and all of the texts within the links in the document? If there isn't such a beast, then I will gladly read it at my Mac. >>> >>> Best regards and thanks! >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> On 7,Nov,2011, at 8:00 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Michael! >>>> This link should help! >>>> Colin >>>> >>>> http://help.apple.com/iphone/5/voiceover/en/index.html >>>> >>>> On 7 Nov 2011, at 18:53, Michael Busboom wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>> >>>>> I have recently acquired an iPhone 4 with iOS5. I am wondering where I can obtain documentation on how to use the phone with VoiceOver. There are lots of gestures and probably a lot of tricks one can employ to maximise usage of the phone. I would be grateful if someone could point me to a link where I can get documentation or hear podcasts on this subject. >>>>> >>>>> Kindest regards to all, >>>>> >>>>> Mike > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From niam.mckeown at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 16:31:08 2011 From: niam.mckeown at gmail.com (Niamh) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 16:31:08 -0000 Subject: We are just home from hospital; again! References: <12C02A72-E246-43DA-9CBC-A783E8876AF7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <810E3B3D32004699A1A24EC23B03CDD3@Blossom> I hope all is well, thank you for all the help. Niamh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon & Lynne" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:54 PM Subject: We are just home from hospital; again! > Hello everybody > > For the benefit of those of you waiting for support responses, (and there > are several), please give us a little time. We've been hospitalised since > Saturday and have just arrived home. We are just playing catch-up and will > get to you shortly. We are sorry for any inconvenience. > > Lynne > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Tue Nov 8 17:02:15 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 07:02:15 -1000 Subject: Shortcuts, etc. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6757FEB5-5E7C-4EE4-9A45-D651B3EF6858@mac.com> Hi Karen, The Command+Shift+T shortcut is described in the VoiceOver Getting Started Guide for both Snow Leopard and Lion, under Chapter 3. "Learning Mac OS X Basics" in the sections about Finder shortcuts and the Dock. This is the Guide that you can access as the last option of the VoiceOver Help menu (brought up with VO-H). However, a nice place to read systematically organized lists of useful shortcuts, both VoiceOver specific and Mac OS X, is Tim Kilburn's VoiceOver pages: http://web.me.com/kilburns/voiceover/ Take a look at sections by Applications, or look under the Keyboard Shortcuts or Tips and Tricks. Some of this is older (for example, it doesn't list Command-Shift-O for the Documents folder in Finder). And it uses the VO-M and VO-M-M along with VO-D instead of the Mac OS X shortcuts of Control-F2, Control-F8, and Control-F3. But overall, this site is well worth checking out, because his short descriptions tell you the useful contexts in which you might use certain shortcuts. And he does list Command-Shift-T to put items in the dock. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 8, 2011, at 05:09, 1SmartDog at cox.net wrote: > Hi Everyone, > Apparently I am searching in the wrong places...Not long ago someone indicated a key combination of cmd+shift+t to quickly add an application to the dock. This was very helpful as I was looking for the same thing. To my question, is there a list somewhere of these sorts of key combinations for VO users? Most of my function with my new Macbook Pro has been accident and trial and error, frustrating at best. > > Thanks, > Karen From 1smartdog at cox.net Tue Nov 8 17:32:28 2011 From: 1smartdog at cox.net (1SmartDog@cox.net) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:32:28 -0600 Subject: Shortcuts, etc. References: <6757FEB5-5E7C-4EE4-9A45-D651B3EF6858@mac.com> Message-ID: <1F69FE1D5E024F34A0244F640FCC9027@karen796b6a58c> Thank you tremendously! Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 11:02 AM Subject: Re: Shortcuts, etc. > Hi Karen, > > The Command+Shift+T shortcut is described in the VoiceOver Getting Started > Guide for both Snow Leopard and Lion, under Chapter 3. "Learning Mac OS X > Basics" in the sections about Finder shortcuts and the Dock. This is the > Guide that you can access as the last option of the VoiceOver Help menu > (brought up with VO-H). However, a nice place to read systematically > organized lists of useful shortcuts, both VoiceOver specific and Mac OS X, > is Tim Kilburn's VoiceOver pages: > http://web.me.com/kilburns/voiceover/ > Take a look at sections by Applications, or look under the Keyboard > Shortcuts or Tips and Tricks. Some of this is older (for example, it > doesn't list Command-Shift-O for the Documents folder in Finder). And it > uses the VO-M and VO-M-M along with VO-D instead of the Mac OS X shortcuts > of Control-F2, Control-F8, and Control-F3. But overall, this site is well > worth checking out, because his short descriptions tell you the useful > contexts in which you might use certain shortcuts. And he does list > Command-Shift-T to put items in the dock. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Nov 8, 2011, at 05:09, 1SmartDog at cox.net wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> Apparently I am searching in the wrong places...Not long ago someone >> indicated a key combination of cmd+shift+t to quickly add an application >> to the dock. This was very helpful as I was looking for the same thing. >> To my question, is there a list somewhere of these sorts of key >> combinations for VO users? Most of my function with my new Macbook Pro >> has been accident and trial and error, frustrating at best. >> >> Thanks, >> Karen > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Tue Nov 8 17:34:05 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 12:34:05 -0500 Subject: sim fee iPhone: be very very careful. Message-ID: d20fb4e2-df9b-4f4c-ac0f-5b404c851ad0@samobile.net I would say, if it's available from Apple directly, there's no reason to even look anywhere else. I've been thinking about getting an unlocked iphone 4s, and I will get it from apple directly. Original message: > Folks, > I've been looking into purchasing an iPhone 4S sim free. This is just > a friendly note of caution to be *very* careful as some companies are > charging extortionate prices. I'm not breaching any rules here by > saying that if one compares the prices on the Applestore, to those > offered by expansys you'll see a marked difference. *this applies to > uk/Irish residents in the case of the company in question, but I'm sure > it's pretty universal. > Avoid rip offs. > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access > forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Tue Nov 8 17:43:35 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 17:43:35 +0000 Subject: Problems installing VMWare tools Message-ID: <0E359F24-66BB-4600-BFDA-227A07D672F4@hopewell.org.uk> Hello, Not sure if this is off topic or not. I am having problems installing VMWare tools on my Windows XP virtual machine using the latest version of VMWare fusion on Lion 10.7.2. the virtual machines menu item in the VMWare menu bar contains an item "Update VMWare tools". When I select that I get a dialogue saying that the VMWare tools virtual CD is being attached. the Windows installer then gets going but after a while it tells me that I have an error 1316 which says that the VMWare tools CD cannot be read. This CD seems to be disconnected from Windows during the VMWare tools install process. A side effect of all this is that VMWare tries to re-install VMWare tools every time I start the Windows XP virtual machine. If I cancel the attempt to install VMWare tools the Windows XP system seems to work fine. Any thoughts on what is wrong and what I can do about it? Many thanks. Paul Hopewell From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 18:16:44 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:16:44 +0100 Subject: sim fee iPhone: be very very careful. In-Reply-To: <4eb9681d.a755b40a.44bc.7f64SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <4eb9681d.a755b40a.44bc.7f64SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi! The reason that it's sometimes worth looking elsewhere is that you can get it cheaper, even though it's an Apple authorized reseller. That doesn't always mean that it's the price Apple puts out, as is the case with my iPhone. Apple themselves also charge more for the iPhone 4 than they do for the iPhone 4S here compared to our biggest reseller, which is amusing, but very backwards. Regards, Nicolai On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:34 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > I would say, if it's available from Apple directly, there's no reason to even look anywhere else. I've been thinking about getting an unlocked iphone 4s, and I will get it from apple directly. > Original message: >> Folks, > >> I've been looking into purchasing an iPhone 4S sim free. This is just a friendly note of caution to be *very* careful as some companies are charging extortionate prices. I'm not breaching any rules here by saying that if one compares the prices on the Applestore, to those offered by expansys you'll see a marked difference. *this applies to uk/Irish residents in the case of the company in question, but I'm sure it's pretty universal. > >> Avoid rip offs. > >> D?nal >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> > >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 19:52:17 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 11:52:17 -0800 Subject: automating tempos question for garage band users Message-ID: <037DD78C-07EA-4252-AA07-80EB81B545B0@gmail.com> Hello. I am aware that automation is not accessible in garage band. I still need to do it for my single I'm to release hopefully in the next few months. Ok the question How do I do this so I can walk my sighted family member who is not a musician but a very good actor and director in doing this? I don't know the terms or how to do it. I read the docs but they don't explain much except make a point here and then at the end and make an automation curve. I did write to accessibility at apple.com but they never got back to me. so I'm still waiting so one day I can do this myself. And if there is a way for me to do it myself that would be good that way I don't disturb this family member from there projects lol! Can I some how make the metronome flexi time? thanks all and take care. From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Tue Nov 8 20:02:45 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:02:45 +0000 Subject: Problems installing VMWare tools (update) Message-ID: <3AEFC2B3-B71E-4677-B40D-C2483EAFB28D@hopewell.org.uk> Hello, Not sure if this is off topic or not. I am having problems installing VMWare tools on my Windows XP virtual machine using the latest version of VMWare fusion on Lion 10.7.2. the virtual machines menu item in the VMWare menu bar contains an item "Update VMWare tools". When I select that I get a dialogue saying that the VMWare tools virtual CD is being attached. the Windows installer then gets going but after a while it tells me that I have an error 1316 which says that there is a network error reading c:/windows/installer/vmwaretools.csi. I looked in that directory and c:/windows/installer is not there. A side effect of all this is that VMWare tries to re-install VMWare tools every time I start the Windows XP virtual machine. If I cancel the attempt to install VMWare tools the Windows XP system seems to work fine. Any thoughts on what is wrong and what I can do about it? Is it a VMWare bug? Many thanks. Paul Hopewell <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Nov 8 20:21:52 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:21:52 +0000 Subject: sim fee iPhone: be very very careful. In-Reply-To: d20fb4e2-df9b-4f4c-ac0f-5b404c851ad0@samobile.net References: d20fb4e2-df9b-4f4c-ac0f-5b404c851ad0@samobile.net Message-ID: Hi Mike, The reason one has to buy from alternative resellers is that if the device is being purchased through a University, a purchase order is required. If, say, Apple is not set up on the system, but the reseller is, then you use the reseller. Best, D?nal On 8 Nov 2011, at 17:34, Mike Arrigo wrote: > I would say, if it's available from Apple directly, there's no reason to even look anywhere else. I've been thinking about getting an unlocked iphone 4s, and I will get it from apple directly. > Original message: >> Folks, > >> I've been looking into purchasing an iPhone 4S sim free. This is just a friendly note of caution to be *very* careful as some companies are charging extortionate prices. I'm not breaching any rules here by saying that if one compares the prices on the Applestore, to those offered by expansys you'll see a marked difference. *this applies to uk/Irish residents in the case of the company in question, but I'm sure it's pretty universal. > >> Avoid rip offs. > >> D?nal >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> > >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Tue Nov 8 20:32:18 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:32:18 +0000 Subject: Drop ship! was Re: any alternatives to Drop box yet? References: Message-ID: >> >> Hi all! >> here is another suggestion for a alternative to drop box! >> You can ask for more info at >> >> >> >> The service, known as "Drop Ship" is open to any members of any of Mac Access Dot Net, Techno Chat Dot Net or Just Chat Dot Net email lists. Drop Ship allows you to share files with anybody anywhere who has an email address, plus store backups of files on a "virtual drive" stored securely and encrypted at Mac Access Dot Net' UK HQ. Even the site administrators cannot see your files; and the transfer links themselves use the latest industry-standard SSL encryption certificates recognised by 99.9% of the world's modern browsers and FTP clients. >> >> The service supports: >> FTP with SSL/TLS >> FTP with implicit SSL >> FTP in the clear (not recommended) >> HTTPS: fully authenticated >> SSL WebDAV fully authenticated. >> >> As for space, the only restriction is "common sense and fair play". The physical storage media used for housing the encrypted data is based around a 12TB RAID array, (hardware-based). >> >> The service also supports a "File Request" facility whereby people registered to use the service will be able to send a file request link to anybody with an email address. When the recipient clicks the link, they are presented with a standard browser window where they may select a file to upload to the secure server. The upload is secure and once the file reaches the server, the person who originated the "request" is sent another email telling them that their file has arrived and giving them a secure download URL. >> >> It should be made clear that, while the service is free and fully accessible, it does not support the sync services which DropBox offers. This is a file sharing service provided to the members of the above-mentioned groups as a courtesy by the site administrators. If it's abused, the administrators reserve the right to remove any member from the service at any time. If that happens all the files which that member may have stored on their virtual drive are securely deleted. >> >> Whilst membership of the email groups is mandatory for the registered drop ship users, if the registered member opts to send a file request, the recipient of the request does not need to be a member. This is only a suggestion! Please do not kill me! :] Colin From support at mac-access.net Tue Nov 8 20:56:39 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:56:39 +0000 Subject: Time To GEt Tough! Message-ID: Hello everybody Just another gentle reminder here. Please, please, do not include multiple destinations or forward messages from other lists to this one without first speaking to us. Cross-posting is against list policy and, sadly, I've had to place one member in moderated mode for this. We now have reached the point where we have to start enforcing list policy on this subject rigorously because certain people are simply not taking notice of what we ask of them. And I have noticed that it's always the same people doing this. Your cooperation would be appreciated. I really disliked having to take the action I did last week, it gave me no pleasure whatsoever. I shall write to that member shortly off list as I have no desire to humiliate anybody. But please take note: we have reached the point now where we need to get tough and enforce this properly to stop this blatant disregard of list policy. Feel free to contact us off list if you wish to comment. Please don't make me write this again; it's exceedingly boring and I'm sure it is just as boring for group members to read it over and over again. Thank you. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Nov 8 21:05:25 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:05:25 +0000 Subject: Readhere Pro In-Reply-To: <2FA84372-7337-427C-BF60-4665383C3C73@gmail.com> References: <2FA84372-7337-427C-BF60-4665383C3C73@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9241BCD2-A599-4436-8E19-CC5CA5C935FC@mac-access.net> Hello Kristine We are way out of date on email but just in case you haven't got it yet: Lynne On 5 Nov 2011, at 21:33, Kristeen Hughes wrote: Can someone give me the web address for Readhere Pro? I want to buy it and I can't seem to find it. Thanks. Kristeen Hughes khwicca at gmail.com <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Nov 8 21:06:25 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:06:25 +0000 Subject: Readhere Pro In-Reply-To: <60C83DA9-9D8A-419C-BB13-A99023556A31@mac-access.net> References: <2FA84372-7337-427C-BF60-4665383C3C73@gmail.com> <60C83DA9-9D8A-419C-BB13-A99023556A31@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <6025DE37-DC88-46E8-8FEB-4EEF50757228@mac-access.net> Hello James Yeah but that isn't the developer's home page. Lynne On 5 Nov 2011, at 22:14, James AUSTIN wrote: Hi Christine, Try here: http://www.ghbraille.com/software From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Nov 8 21:13:00 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:13:00 +0000 Subject: back up In-Reply-To: <4F0EEED5-5353-460C-A944-1D388ACBC5B7@mac-access.net> References: <36EF261A-1C8F-4B75-94E8-467B03DB400B@charter.net> <39DC931D-FBC2-42E9-8EE4-911E2BEC772F@gmail.com> <4F0EEED5-5353-460C-A944-1D388ACBC5B7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <336502E5-A16E-4F6E-B056-24C1C120D0F1@mac-access.net> Hello James On 6 Nov 2011, at 01:34, James AUSTIN wrote: Your external HD is formatted as MS-Dos FAT 32, which means that it will be bootable on both a Windows and a Mac. As I understand it, That is not the case. You cannot boot an Intel based Mac from a FAT32 volume. Feel free to correct me if you know better? Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Nov 8 21:27:25 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:27:25 +0000 Subject: Rapid Weaver Web design software In-Reply-To: References: <635AF61D-7DA6-47B6-9284-D69ECE311367@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0BD410CE-69EB-4F55-9043-B0584DB69544@mac-access.net> Helo Travis My understanding was that the author of the original post was looking for something more interactive, as in RapidWeaver, iWeb or even the inaccessible DreamWeaver CS5.5 Taco is indeed a useful tool; but it isn't particularly great when it comes to things like tables. It seems to insert an awful lot of unnecessary redundant code. Also, (and this may be me), but I haven't found a method of inserting elements such as buttons, radio button, combo (pulldown) boxes, multi-select edit fields etc. All of these elements are going to be required on a website which Gordon has been asked to put together for a work client and we are still mulling over the various options. If you know how to do this using Taco, cease do either let the group know or contact me privately. I would very much like to be able to do this within Taco. Lynne On 7 Nov 2011, at 02:30, Travis Siegel wrote: ? As far as creating html code goes, especially for those (like myself and Robert who prefer to hand code html) taco html editor (http://www.tacosw.com) which Lynne and Gordon are registered users of, does indeed allow editing of html code, and will even assist with the html creation process, though their form generation leaves something to be desired, especiallly if you've never coded one before. On the other hand, if you know your html code, and you routinely code from scratch, as I do, you'll find taco html editor a real treat, as it gives you complete control over the production process, even when it inserts bits of code for you. You can download a 30-day full functional trial from the web site, so feel free to drop by and give it a whirl to see if it suits your purposes. If it doesn't, that's ok, I'm sure others have their favorites as well. From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Nov 8 21:43:39 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:43:39 +0000 Subject: Observation with Calendar and Reminder In-Reply-To: <4EB91D3E.8060608@techno-chat.net> References: <4EB91D3E.8060608@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <77B74563-2A9C-47F5-A3E1-E0E976323DA4@mac-access.net> Hello Chris It sounds as though you have subscribed to kCloud. Lynne On 8 Nov 2011, at 12:14, chris hallsworth wrote: Hello all. Can I make an observation here with the iPod Touch and iPhone 4. 1. I set a reminder using the Reminders app on my iPhone, and the reminder went off on both the iPhone and iPod Touch. 2. I added an event to the Calendar app on my iPod Touch. The event went off on both the iPod Touch and iPhone 4. In both scenarios, why am I getting the notifications on both devices? Is this something to do with a feature in iOS 5? From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Tue Nov 8 21:52:04 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:52:04 +0000 Subject: Observation with Calendar and Reminder In-Reply-To: <77B74563-2A9C-47F5-A3E1-E0E976323DA4@mac-access.net> References: <4EB91D3E.8060608@techno-chat.net> <77B74563-2A9C-47F5-A3E1-E0E976323DA4@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <227923A3-66C2-4FAC-83A6-C0904366FEF3@virginmedia.com> Hay is K cloud better than I cloud hahahahahaha :] Couldn't resist! Colin On 8 Nov 2011, at 21:43, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Chris > > It sounds as though you have subscribed to kCloud. > > Lynne > > On 8 Nov 2011, at 12:14, chris hallsworth wrote: > > Hello all. > Can I make an observation here with the iPod Touch and iPhone 4. > 1. I set a reminder using the Reminders app on my iPhone, and the reminder went off on both the iPhone and iPod Touch. > 2. I added an event to the Calendar app on my iPod Touch. The event went off on both the iPod Touch and iPhone 4. > In both scenarios, why am I getting the notifications on both devices? Is this something to do with a feature in iOS 5? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Tue Nov 8 22:06:35 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 22:06:35 +0000 Subject: back up In-Reply-To: <336502E5-A16E-4F6E-B056-24C1C120D0F1@mac-access.net> References: <36EF261A-1C8F-4B75-94E8-467B03DB400B@charter.net> <39DC931D-FBC2-42E9-8EE4-911E2BEC772F@gmail.com> <4F0EEED5-5353-460C-A944-1D388ACBC5B7@mac-access.net> <336502E5-A16E-4F6E-B056-24C1C120D0F1@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Lynne, On 8 Nov 2011, at 21:13, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > As I understand it, That is not the case. You cannot boot an Intel based Mac from a FAT32 volume. Feel free to correct me if you know better? No Lynne, you're correct. I'm afraid the fault is mine, i should have been clearer. What I meant to say is that you can boot the drive both in Windows and in Finder if it is FAT 32. I think the author of the original post understood that, as they did not come back, its pays to be clear. Thank you for picking it up. TC :) James > Hello James > > On 6 Nov 2011, at 01:34, James AUSTIN wrote: > > Your external HD is formatted as MS-Dos FAT 32, which means that it will be bootable on both a Windows and a Mac. > > As I understand it, That is not the case. You cannot boot an Intel based Mac from a FAT32 volume. Feel free to correct me if you know better? > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 22:16:09 2011 From: jonathan.tyrer at gmail.com (Jonathan Tyrer) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 22:16:09 +0000 Subject: bbc.co.uj/iplayer In-Reply-To: <0D1E9C31-AD79-41E7-9817-799AD639C491@hopewell.org.uk> References: <0D1E9C31-AD79-41E7-9817-799AD639C491@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: I'm a bit confused, Flash works on Macs, but not on IOS. My wife watches things on the web inlayer all the time. do you just mean it won't work with VoiceOver? Jonathan On 08/11/2011, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello Jonathan, > Presumably you are asking about the BBC iPlayer on a Mac rather than on an > IOS device. > the bad news is that the BBC iPlayer uses Adobe Flash which is not > accessible on a Mac. So you cannot see the play etc buttons which you can > see with JAWs. > the good news is that you can use the free application Get iPlayer Automator > which will download TV and radio programs from the BBC onto your Mac where > you can then play them using QUicktime or iTunes. I use Get iPlayer > Automator a lot on Lion 10.7.2 and it works very well. I had to change its > preferences to set up a different download location (the default one did not > work) and to change the proxy setting to None. Use Google to find where to > download Get iPlayer Automator. Feel free to contact me if you have any > problems but please note that I am away from 9 through 13 November. > Best wishes.... > > Paul Hopewell > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Nov 8 22:18:03 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 22:18:03 +0000 Subject: bbc.co.uj/iplayer In-Reply-To: References: <0D1E9C31-AD79-41E7-9817-799AD639C491@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: Hello Jonathan, Flash and voiceover do not play nicely together on mac. Flash doesn't work on IOS devices at all. D?nal On 8 Nov 2011, at 22:16, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > I'm a bit confused, Flash works on Macs, but not on IOS. My wife > watches things on the web inlayer all the time. do you just mean it > won't work with VoiceOver? > > Jonathan > > On 08/11/2011, Paul Hopewell wrote: >> Hello Jonathan, >> Presumably you are asking about the BBC iPlayer on a Mac rather than on an >> IOS device. >> the bad news is that the BBC iPlayer uses Adobe Flash which is not >> accessible on a Mac. So you cannot see the play etc buttons which you can >> see with JAWs. >> the good news is that you can use the free application Get iPlayer Automator >> which will download TV and radio programs from the BBC onto your Mac where >> you can then play them using QUicktime or iTunes. I use Get iPlayer >> Automator a lot on Lion 10.7.2 and it works very well. I had to change its >> preferences to set up a different download location (the default one did not >> work) and to change the proxy setting to None. Use Google to find where to >> download Get iPlayer Automator. Feel free to contact me if you have any >> problems but please note that I am away from 9 through 13 November. >> Best wishes.... >> >> Paul Hopewell >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Nov 8 22:18:42 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 22:18:42 +0000 Subject: bbc.co.uj/iplayer In-Reply-To: References: <0D1E9C31-AD79-41E7-9817-799AD639C491@hopewell.org.uk> Message-ID: <5945EBBA-F412-4AE5-A330-754B74E83553@computing.dcu.ie> Hello Jonathan, Flash and voiceover do not play nicely together on mac. Flash doesn't work on IOS devices at all. D?nal On 8 Nov 2011, at 22:16, Jonathan Tyrer wrote: > I'm a bit confused, Flash works on Macs, but not on IOS. My wife > watches things on the web inlayer all the time. do you just mean it > won't work with VoiceOver? > > Jonathan > > On 08/11/2011, Paul Hopewell wrote: >> Hello Jonathan, >> Presumably you are asking about the BBC iPlayer on a Mac rather than on an >> IOS device. >> the bad news is that the BBC iPlayer uses Adobe Flash which is not >> accessible on a Mac. So you cannot see the play etc buttons which you can >> see with JAWs. >> the good news is that you can use the free application Get iPlayer Automator >> which will download TV and radio programs from the BBC onto your Mac where >> you can then play them using QUicktime or iTunes. I use Get iPlayer >> Automator a lot on Lion 10.7.2 and it works very well. I had to change its >> preferences to set up a different download location (the default one did not >> work) and to change the proxy setting to None. Use Google to find where to >> download Get iPlayer Automator. Feel free to contact me if you have any >> problems but please note that I am away from 9 through 13 November. >> Best wishes.... >> >> Paul Hopewell >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Nov 8 22:22:00 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:22:00 +1100 Subject: Audio Hijack Pro, some parts not as accessible as they were Message-ID: <4EF954D2-53AC-47AE-8834-4AC818F4D049@internode.on.net> Howdy Folks! Something I've noticed in Audio Hijack Pro, the checkboxes for the scheduler don't seem to be reading properly with Voiceover any longer and this always hasn't been the case. For example, suppose you add a "Timer" to the scheduler, if you move VO to the right you'll see a pop-up menu which gives you 2 choices, "Every" and "On", the default is "Every". To the right of this you see a whole heap of checkboxes which control the days your time will function and you check or uncheck where appropriate and here's where the problem seems to be. Voiceover doesn't read the status of these checkboxes correctly so you may be told that a checkbox is checked when it isn't. What's the way around this? Only way I can think of just now is through Trial and Error. From niam.mckeown at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 22:29:33 2011 From: niam.mckeown at gmail.com (Niamh) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 22:29:33 -0000 Subject: Apple support for Daisy books? Message-ID: Is there anyway of accessing daisy books on apple devices? Niamh From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 22:45:08 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 14:45:08 -0800 Subject: Apple support for Daisy books? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe there's daisy worm but beeing I don't use daisy on any device I can't help you with that. but hope that gets you in the cirrect direction and someone should be able to give you more info on how to do this. On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:29 PM, Niamh wrote: > Is there anyway of accessing daisy books on apple devices? > Niamh > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 22:48:45 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 14:48:45 -0800 Subject: Audio Hijack Pro, some parts not as accessible as they were In-Reply-To: <4EF954D2-53AC-47AE-8834-4AC818F4D049@internode.on.net> References: <4EF954D2-53AC-47AE-8834-4AC818F4D049@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4FFAC11F-0D87-43A8-8F59-2FB705F49E6D@gmail.com> I can reproduce this. I would contact hello at rogueamoeba.com and let them know wht's going on with screenshots if possibil. Not sure if you can submit logs or consol logs on this though. Good luck. On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Howdy Folks! > > Something I've noticed in Audio Hijack Pro, the checkboxes for the scheduler don't seem to be reading properly with Voiceover any longer and this always hasn't been the case. > > For example, suppose you add a "Timer" to the scheduler, if you move VO to the right you'll see a pop-up menu which gives you 2 choices, "Every" and "On", the default is "Every". > > To the right of this you see a whole heap of checkboxes which control the days your time will function and you check or uncheck where appropriate and here's where the problem seems to be. > > Voiceover doesn't read the status of these checkboxes correctly so you may be told that a checkbox is checked when it isn't. > > What's the way around this? Only way I can think of just now is through Trial and Error. > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Nov 8 22:53:30 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:53:30 +1100 Subject: Audio Hijack Pro, some parts not as accessible as they were In-Reply-To: <4FFAC11F-0D87-43A8-8F59-2FB705F49E6D@gmail.com> References: <4EF954D2-53AC-47AE-8834-4AC818F4D049@internode.on.net> <4FFAC11F-0D87-43A8-8F59-2FB705F49E6D@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've already Tweeted them but I don't think they're too interested in accessibility issues these days but still its certainly worth a try. On 09/11/2011, at 9:48 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I can reproduce this. I would contact hello at rogueamoeba.com and let them know wht's going on with screenshots if possibil. Not sure if you can submit logs or consol logs on this though. > > Good luck. > On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Howdy Folks! >> >> Something I've noticed in Audio Hijack Pro, the checkboxes for the scheduler don't seem to be reading properly with Voiceover any longer and this always hasn't been the case. >> >> For example, suppose you add a "Timer" to the scheduler, if you move VO to the right you'll see a pop-up menu which gives you 2 choices, "Every" and "On", the default is "Every". >> >> To the right of this you see a whole heap of checkboxes which control the days your time will function and you check or uncheck where appropriate and here's where the problem seems to be. >> >> Voiceover doesn't read the status of these checkboxes correctly so you may be told that a checkbox is checked when it isn't. >> >> What's the way around this? Only way I can think of just now is through Trial and Error. >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Nov 8 23:20:00 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 15:20:00 -0800 Subject: Audio Hijack Pro, some parts not as accessible as they were In-Reply-To: References: <4EF954D2-53AC-47AE-8834-4AC818F4D049@internode.on.net> <4FFAC11F-0D87-43A8-8F59-2FB705F49E6D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5E6FBFC0-3FD4-4A33-8B67-67C4A5D233D5@gmail.com> Oh no I don't tweet them I write them via email. a tweet you can ignore like I do. an email not as likely and make it high priority. as well. good luck. On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > I've already Tweeted them but I don't think they're too interested in accessibility issues these days but still its certainly worth a try. > > > On 09/11/2011, at 9:48 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> I can reproduce this. I would contact hello at rogueamoeba.com and let them know wht's going on with screenshots if possibil. Not sure if you can submit logs or consol logs on this though. >> >> Good luck. >> On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >>> Howdy Folks! >>> >>> Something I've noticed in Audio Hijack Pro, the checkboxes for the scheduler don't seem to be reading properly with Voiceover any longer and this always hasn't been the case. >>> >>> For example, suppose you add a "Timer" to the scheduler, if you move VO to the right you'll see a pop-up menu which gives you 2 choices, "Every" and "On", the default is "Every". >>> >>> To the right of this you see a whole heap of checkboxes which control the days your time will function and you check or uncheck where appropriate and here's where the problem seems to be. >>> >>> Voiceover doesn't read the status of these checkboxes correctly so you may be told that a checkbox is checked when it isn't. >>> >>> What's the way around this? Only way I can think of just now is through Trial and Error. >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Nov 8 23:21:18 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 23:21:18 +0000 Subject: Subscribing to iCloud; Yes, it really is called iCloud In-Reply-To: <227923A3-66C2-4FAC-83A6-C0904366FEF3@virginmedia.com> References: <4EB91D3E.8060608@techno-chat.net> <77B74563-2A9C-47F5-A3E1-E0E976323DA4@mac-access.net> <227923A3-66C2-4FAC-83A6-C0904366FEF3@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: Hello Colin Oopse! :) Oh well; nothing like being different from the crowd, I guess. :) Lynne On 8 Nov 2011, at 21:52, Red.Falcon wrote: Hay is K cloud better than I cloud hahahahahaha :] Couldn't resist! From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Nov 8 23:24:05 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 23:24:05 +0000 Subject: back up In-Reply-To: References: <36EF261A-1C8F-4B75-94E8-467B03DB400B@charter.net> <39DC931D-FBC2-42E9-8EE4-911E2BEC772F@gmail.com> <4F0EEED5-5353-460C-A944-1D388ACBC5B7@mac-access.net> <336502E5-A16E-4F6E-B056-24C1C120D0F1@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <107B6101-1BF7-4A89-A6E4-DBDF7CE41429@mac-access.net> Hello James OK, I maybe took your meaning the wrong way. When you said that I guess I took that a bit too literally. So thanks for the clarification. Lynne On 8 Nov 2011, at 22:06, James AUSTIN wrote: Hello Lynne, On 8 Nov 2011, at 21:13, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > As I understand it, That is not the case. You cannot boot an Intel based Mac from a FAT32 volume. Feel free to correct me if you know better? No Lynne, you're correct. I'm afraid the fault is mine, i should have been clearer. What I meant to say is that you can boot the drive both in Windows and in Finder if it is FAT 32. I think the author of the original post understood that, as they did not come back, its pays to be clear. From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Nov 8 23:42:29 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 10:42:29 +1100 Subject: Audio Hijack Pro, some parts not as accessible as they were In-Reply-To: <5E6FBFC0-3FD4-4A33-8B67-67C4A5D233D5@gmail.com> References: <4EF954D2-53AC-47AE-8834-4AC818F4D049@internode.on.net> <4FFAC11F-0D87-43A8-8F59-2FB705F49E6D@gmail.com> <5E6FBFC0-3FD4-4A33-8B67-67C4A5D233D5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0A6BE37F-676C-4E9F-B1A0-25A8A9E31294@internode.on.net> I don't agree with that, yep you can ignore a Tweet but the folks who develop Audio Hijack Pro certainly don't ignore their Tweets and most other company's who bother to establish a twitter account certainly don't ignore them either. On 09/11/2011, at 10:20 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Oh no I don't tweet them I write them via email. a tweet you can ignore like I do. an email not as likely and make it high priority. as well. > > good luck. > On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:53 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> I've already Tweeted them but I don't think they're too interested in accessibility issues these days but still its certainly worth a try. >> >> >> On 09/11/2011, at 9:48 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> I can reproduce this. I would contact hello at rogueamoeba.com and let them know wht's going on with screenshots if possibil. Not sure if you can submit logs or consol logs on this though. >>> >>> Good luck. >>> On Nov 8, 2011, at 2:22 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> >>>> Howdy Folks! >>>> >>>> Something I've noticed in Audio Hijack Pro, the checkboxes for the scheduler don't seem to be reading properly with Voiceover any longer and this always hasn't been the case. >>>> >>>> For example, suppose you add a "Timer" to the scheduler, if you move VO to the right you'll see a pop-up menu which gives you 2 choices, "Every" and "On", the default is "Every". >>>> >>>> To the right of this you see a whole heap of checkboxes which control the days your time will function and you check or uncheck where appropriate and here's where the problem seems to be. >>>> >>>> Voiceover doesn't read the status of these checkboxes correctly so you may be told that a checkbox is checked when it isn't. >>>> >>>> What's the way around this? Only way I can think of just now is through Trial and Error. >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Nov 8 23:43:36 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 23:43:36 +0000 Subject: Apple support for Daisy books? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Niamh Wh Which devices are you referring too? yes, in the case of iOS and yes in the case of the Mac; but the answers are different. We play DAISY content on the Mac very often; but we are having a little trouble with the iOS software "CaisyWorm" The 2 ways of playing this content on the Mac are with the free player Olearia from or the commercial / shareware player "ReadHear" from . Both have their advantages and don't ever believe that free software is always inferior. Olearia isn't our personal favourite but there is no doubt that it will do a very very good job at playing AISY content. For iOS5 I believe that DaishyWorm is available in the App store, although somebody else might know better on that one. It comes from I think, the University of Western Australia and it seems good; although we have had problems getting it to work properly. I gather what you have to do is associate zip files in iTunes as transferrable content although that might have changed in newer versions so I won't say any more about that. Anyway; good luck and do let the list know how you get on. Lynne On 8 Nov 2011, at 22:29, Niamh wrote: Is there anyway of accessing daisy books on apple devices? Niamh From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Wed Nov 9 00:48:29 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 19:48:29 -0500 Subject: Cable needed for dock connection Message-ID: <9899DD6C-B502-4103-98AF-620269A2425F@Mac-Access.net> Hello list, I'm not sure how to google this question so I'm going to start with you good folks and see if anyone has a suggestion. I have a sony dock and have had problems connecting my iPhone 3GS and now can't connect my 4S because it is in a Otter Box case. Is there such a thing as a cable that connects to the apple connector on the dock and then to the phone? I'd be perfectly happy to set the phone near the dock rather then in the somewhat fragile holder. Also I can't be bothered to take the phone out of the Otter box case. So does such a cable exist? Any one have a suggestion as the name it is called so I can find it? tips appreciated. Oh! one other comment, my 3GS has a crack in the case near the connector. I'm pretty sure this happened in the dock despite my efforts to be careful. I think the cable connector would be a better option for me. Also, I don't want to just use the aux input as that won't give me the ability to charge the phone while connected. thanks for your ideas. eric Caron From gunn at tznet.com Wed Nov 9 02:35:14 2011 From: gunn at tznet.com (John Gunn) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 20:35:14 -0600 Subject: Cable needed for dock connection In-Reply-To: <9899DD6C-B502-4103-98AF-620269A2425F@Mac-Access.net> References: <9899DD6C-B502-4103-98AF-620269A2425F@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <65A45781-2087-4755-9AAE-A825747729C0@tznet.com> Go to cablejive.com and you'll find your cable. You have 2 lengths to choose from, 2 foot or 6 foot. Let me know if you aren't unable to locate it. John Erick: On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:48 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > Hello list, > > I'm not sure how to google this question so I'm going to start with you good folks and see if anyone has a suggestion. I have a sony dock and have had problems connecting my iPhone 3GS and now can't connect my 4S because it is in a Otter Box case. Is there such a thing as a cable that connects to the apple connector on the dock and then to the phone? I'd be perfectly happy to set the phone near the dock rather then in the somewhat fragile holder. Also I can't be bothered to take the phone out of the Otter box case. > > So does such a cable exist? Any one have a suggestion as the name it is called so I can find it? > > tips appreciated. > > Oh! one other comment, my 3GS has a crack in the case near the connector. I'm pretty sure this happened in the dock despite my efforts to be careful. I think the cable connector would be a better option for me. Also, I don't want to just use the aux input as that won't give me the ability to charge the phone while connected. > > > thanks for your ideas. > > eric Caron > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 03:02:20 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 22:02:20 -0500 Subject: Garage Band for iPad Message-ID: A friend gave me Garage Band for the iPad. I hear it is accessible So far, I am at a loss. I have managed to get it going, but I can only see instruments, and not even many of those. I don't even know where to start. I wa shoping to use this as a teaching tool for home-schooling, that we would work on creating music using Garage Ban, but I can't help my daughter figure it out if *I* am at a loss. Does anyone have any links to clear tutorials tht spell out how to use it, wys it could be used, and so on? Also am interested in the podcast feature. Jane From moriond at mac.com Wed Nov 9 03:40:45 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2011 17:40:45 -1000 Subject: Cable needed for dock connection In-Reply-To: <65A45781-2087-4755-9AAE-A825747729C0@tznet.com> References: <9899DD6C-B502-4103-98AF-620269A2425F@Mac-Access.net> <65A45781-2087-4755-9AAE-A825747729C0@tznet.com> Message-ID: Hi Eric, Yes, the term you are looking for is "Dock extension or extender cable". Cable Jive makes these specifically for all the people who have Otterbox cases, and for whom other dock extension cables don't work because of the narrow opening of the Otterbox cases. (If you read the fine print, they'll often say that their cables work for all cases except the Otterbox cases.) Geoff Waaler ordered one of these directly from CableJive when he had to be on a waiting list before the first batch was produced well over a year ago. In addition to the dockXtender product that came out in May 2010 in two lengths, they have a new product introduced this September called the CableJive dockBoss+ that is designed to let you use Docks with Android and other non-iPhone players as well. It has both a 30-pin connecter for iPhone/iPod/iPad docks, and also a standard micro USB plug and 3.5mm audio plug for Android and other phones. The dockBoss+ is mostly likely to be of interest for people who have Android and other devicess that they also want to use with iPhone speaker docks. CableJive also sells other specially long (or short) dock cables. Geoff mentioned that he had to negotiate a CAPTCHA to buy his dock eXtender cables from the site over a year ago. I don't know whether that is still true. You can also buy these from Amazon (U.S.), but make sure the product is named something like "CableJive dockXtender Premium Extension Cable for iPhone, iPod, iPad (Black, 2ft.)" or similar title with the 6 ft. length, so you get the cable that is compatible with the Otterbox, and not the older cables that are compatible with every case except for the Otterbox. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 8, 2011, at 16:35, John Gunn wrote: > > > Go to cablejive.com and you'll find your cable. > > You have 2 lengths to choose from, 2 foot or 6 foot. > > Let me know if you aren't unable to locate it. > > John > > Erick: > On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:48 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > >> Hello list, >> >> I'm not sure how to google this question so I'm going to start with you good folks and see if anyone has a suggestion. I have a sony dock and have had problems connecting my iPhone 3GS and now can't connect my 4S because it is in a Otter Box case. Is there such a thing as a cable that connects to the apple connector on the dock and then to the phone? I'd be perfectly happy to set the phone near the dock rather then in the somewhat fragile holder. Also I can't be bothered to take the phone out of the Otter box case. >> >> So does such a cable exist? Any one have a suggestion as the name it is called so I can find it? >> >> tips appreciated. >> >> Oh! one other comment, my 3GS has a crack in the case near the connector. I'm pretty sure this happened in the dock despite my efforts to be careful. I think the cable connector would be a better option for me. Also, I don't want to just use the aux input as that won't give me the ability to charge the phone while connected. >> >> >> thanks for your ideas. >> >> eric Caron From 1smartdog at cox.net Wed Nov 9 03:51:04 2011 From: 1smartdog at cox.net (1SmartDog@cox.net) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2011 21:51:04 -0600 Subject: Cable needed for dock connection References: <9899DD6C-B502-4103-98AF-620269A2425F@Mac-Access.net><65A45781-2087-4755-9AAE-A825747729C0@tznet.com> Message-ID: <548E6C58E13D4DD09F5F6FD4C6197E53@karen796b6a58c> These extensions are just what I've been looking for. I just purchased one, along with the wall dock and, no, I did not have to negotiate a captcha to make the purchase. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:40 PM Subject: Re: Cable needed for dock connection > Hi Eric, > > Yes, the term you are looking for is "Dock extension or extender cable". > Cable Jive makes these specifically for all the people who have Otterbox > cases, and for whom other dock extension cables don't work because of the > narrow opening of the Otterbox cases. (If you read the fine print, they'll > often say that their cables work for all cases except the Otterbox > cases.) Geoff Waaler ordered one of these directly from CableJive when he > had to be on a waiting list before the first batch was produced well over > a year ago. In addition to the dockXtender product that came out in May > 2010 in two lengths, they have a new product introduced this September > called the CableJive dockBoss+ that is designed to let you use Docks with > Android and other non-iPhone players as well. It has both a 30-pin > connecter for iPhone/iPod/iPad docks, and also a standard micro USB plug > and 3.5mm audio plug for Android and other phones. The dockBoss+ is mostly > likely to be of interest for people who hav > e Android and other devicess that they also want to use with iPhone > speaker docks. > > CableJive also sells other specially long (or short) dock cables. Geoff > mentioned that he had to negotiate a CAPTCHA to buy his dock eXtender > cables from the site over a year ago. I don't know whether that is still > true. You can also buy these from Amazon (U.S.), but make sure the product > is named something like "CableJive dockXtender Premium Extension Cable for > iPhone, iPod, iPad (Black, 2ft.)" or similar title with the 6 ft. length, > so you get the cable that is compatible with the Otterbox, and not the > older cables that are compatible with every case except for the Otterbox. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Nov 8, 2011, at 16:35, John Gunn wrote: > >> >> >> Go to cablejive.com and you'll find your cable. >> >> You have 2 lengths to choose from, 2 foot or 6 foot. >> >> Let me know if you aren't unable to locate it. >> >> John >> >> Erick: >> On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:48 PM, Eric Caron wrote: >> >>> Hello list, >>> >>> I'm not sure how to google this question so I'm going to start with you >>> good folks and see if anyone has a suggestion. I have a sony dock and >>> have had problems connecting my iPhone 3GS and now can't connect my 4S >>> because it is in a Otter Box case. Is there such a thing as a cable >>> that connects to the apple connector on the dock and then to the phone? >>> I'd be perfectly happy to set the phone near the dock rather then in the >>> somewhat fragile holder. Also I can't be bothered to take the phone out >>> of the Otter box case. >>> >>> So does such a cable exist? Any one have a suggestion as the name it is >>> called so I can find it? >>> >>> tips appreciated. >>> >>> Oh! one other comment, my 3GS has a crack in the case near the >>> connector. I'm pretty sure this happened in the dock despite my efforts >>> to be careful. I think the cable connector would be a better option for >>> me. Also, I don't want to just use the aux input as that won't give me >>> the ability to charge the phone while connected. >>> >>> >>> thanks for your ideas. >>> >>> eric Caron > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 06:01:45 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 01:01:45 -0500 Subject: Cable needed for dock connection In-Reply-To: <548E6C58E13D4DD09F5F6FD4C6197E53@karen796b6a58c> References: <9899DD6C-B502-4103-98AF-620269A2425F@Mac-Access.net> <65A45781-2087-4755-9AAE-A825747729C0@tznet.com> <548E6C58E13D4DD09F5F6FD4C6197E53@karen796b6a58c> Message-ID: <8360244009463835877@unknownmsgid> Cablejive required negotiation of a captcha in order to be informed when the product what's available. The order process did not require it. I have a small concern about this product in that it quit functioning after eight months. Then I stupidly waited beyond the warranty period. I intend to order another one; I was nice to my first one, but perhaps it was a dud. Best regards, Geoff Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2011, at 11:29 PM, "1SmartDog at cox.net" <1smartdog at cox.net> wrote: > These extensions are just what I've been looking for. I just purchased one, along with the wall dock and, no, I did not have to negotiate a captcha to make the purchase. > > Karen > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Esther" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 9:40 PM > Subject: Re: Cable needed for dock connection > > >> Hi Eric, >> >> Yes, the term you are looking for is "Dock extension or extender cable". Cable Jive makes these specifically for all the people who have Otterbox cases, and for whom other dock extension cables don't work because of the narrow opening of the Otterbox cases. (If you read the fine print, they'll often say that their cables work for all cases except the Otterbox cases.) Geoff Waaler ordered one of these directly from CableJive when he had to be on a waiting list before the first batch was produced well over a year ago. In addition to the dockXtender product that came out in May 2010 in two lengths, they have a new product introduced this September called the CableJive dockBoss+ that is designed to let you use Docks with Android and other non-iPhone players as well. It has both a 30-pin connecter for iPhone/iPod/iPad docks, and also a standard micro USB plug and 3.5mm audio plug for Android and other phones. The dockBoss+ is mostly likely to be of interest for people who hav >> e Android and other devicess that they also want to use with iPhone speaker docks. >> >> CableJive also sells other specially long (or short) dock cables. Geoff mentioned that he had to negotiate a CAPTCHA to buy his dock eXtender cables from the site over a year ago. I don't know whether that is still true. You can also buy these from Amazon (U.S.), but make sure the product is named something like "CableJive dockXtender Premium Extension Cable for iPhone, iPod, iPad (Black, 2ft.)" or similar title with the 6 ft. length, so you get the cable that is compatible with the Otterbox, and not the older cables that are compatible with every case except for the Otterbox. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> On Nov 8, 2011, at 16:35, John Gunn wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Go to cablejive.com and you'll find your cable. >>> >>> You have 2 lengths to choose from, 2 foot or 6 foot. >>> >>> Let me know if you aren't unable to locate it. >>> >>> John >>> >>> Erick: >>> On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:48 PM, Eric Caron wrote: >>> >>>> Hello list, >>>> >>>> I'm not sure how to google this question so I'm going to start with you good folks and see if anyone has a suggestion. I have a sony dock and have had problems connecting my iPhone 3GS and now can't connect my 4S because it is in a Otter Box case. Is there such a thing as a cable that connects to the apple connector on the dock and then to the phone? I'd be perfectly happy to set the phone near the dock rather then in the somewhat fragile holder. Also I can't be bothered to take the phone out of the Otter box case. >>>> >>>> So does such a cable exist? Any one have a suggestion as the name it is called so I can find it? >>>> >>>> tips appreciated. >>>> >>>> Oh! one other comment, my 3GS has a crack in the case near the connector. I'm pretty sure this happened in the dock despite my efforts to be careful. I think the cable connector would be a better option for me. Also, I don't want to just use the aux input as that won't give me the ability to charge the phone while connected. >>>> >>>> >>>> thanks for your ideas. >>>> >>>> eric Caron >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From sean.waiting at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 09:32:12 2011 From: sean.waiting at gmail.com (Sean Waiting) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 09:32:12 -0000 Subject: hello gordon Message-ID: <44FF261D143A48E0818095CC8671F1FA@SeanPC> Dear Gordon it is nice to hear that you are now out of hospital. all the best from sean waiting. From smur7241 at bigpond.net.au Wed Nov 9 09:41:21 2011 From: smur7241 at bigpond.net.au (Sean Murphy) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 20:41:21 +1100 Subject: Garage Band for iPad In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7AF73FDD-E47C-463B-853C-1F89D5125508@bigpond.net.au> Hi, I have it for the IPhone and I am finding that not all the controls are speaking all the time. I don't really call this app accessible by my standards. I am still playing with it and hopefully will get some where. Sean On 09/11/2011, at 2:02 PM, Jane wrote: > A friend gave me Garage Band for the iPad. I hear it is accessible So far, I am at a loss. > > I have managed to get it going, but I can only see instruments, and not even many of those. I don't even know where to start. I wa shoping to use this as a teaching tool for home-schooling, that we would work on creating music using Garage Ban, but I can't help my daughter figure it out if *I* am at a loss. > > Does anyone have any links to clear tutorials tht spell out how to use it, wys it could be used, and so on? Also am interested in the podcast feature. > > Jane > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk Wed Nov 9 09:45:20 2011 From: sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk (Sunil Peck) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:45:20 +0000 Subject: Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock Message-ID: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02D9D513439E@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Hi, I downloaded the Get iPlayer Automator app that was discussed on here yesterday. I located it in the downloads folder and did cmd+o to open the app. I downloaded some programmes from iPlayer that I was able to locate in iTunes and play no problem. Then I closed the app. Having done that, my intention was to add Get iPlayer Automator to my dock but I couldn't find it. Here's what I did, from the desktop I did cmd+shft+a for my list of apps, but it wasn't there. I assumed it would be there because I'd been using it. I wonder if I might have gone wrong by just opening the newly downloaded app instead of actually installing it. If that is right, what should I do instead of cmd+o to install a newly downloaded app? And if I install rather than open the dmg file will it automatically be added to my list of apps so I can add it to the dock? Cheers for now, Sunil ________________________________ Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by guarantee (number 520866). Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. 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From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Nov 9 09:48:49 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane trethowan) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 20:48:49 +1100 Subject: Garage Band for iPad In-Reply-To: <7AF73FDD-E47C-463B-853C-1F89D5125508@bigpond.net.au> References: <7AF73FDD-E47C-463B-853C-1F89D5125508@bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <4EBA4C81.9040006@internode.on.net> To be perfectly honest, I've never heard anyone say that garage Band is even accessible with Voiceover on an iPad or iPhone, garage Band is one of those apps I've bought with the iexpress intent of doing something with it but so much else takes priority . Now I don't know whether the Take Control Garage Band tutorials cover the iPad version of the software? I don't think they do from what I've read of them thus far but I'll double-check that as this could be most helpful. On 9/11/2011 8:41 PM, Sean Murphy wrote: > Hi, > > I have it for the IPhone and I am finding that not all the controls are speaking all the time. > > I don't really call this app accessible by my standards. > > I am still playing with it and hopefully will get some where. > > Sean > On 09/11/2011, at 2:02 PM, Jane wrote: > >> A friend gave me Garage Band for the iPad. I hear it is accessible So far, I am at a loss. >> >> I have managed to get it going, but I can only see instruments, and not even many of those. I don't even know where to start. I wa shoping to use this as a teaching tool for home-schooling, that we would work on creating music using Garage Ban, but I can't help my daughter figure it out if *I* am at a loss. >> >> Does anyone have any links to clear tutorials tht spell out how to use it, wys it could be used, and so on? Also am interested in the podcast feature. >> >> Jane >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- sent from my HP Powerhouse Notebook. From glenbracegirdle at me.com Wed Nov 9 08:50:21 2011 From: glenbracegirdle at me.com (GLEN BRACEGIRDLE) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 19:50:21 +1100 Subject: Voicover Tutorials In-Reply-To: <50260882-DAE2-4DC3-B3CA-2F9AA03477DB@me.com> References: <50260882-DAE2-4DC3-B3CA-2F9AA03477DB@me.com> Message-ID: > Hi Everyone > > I am looking for some Good tutorials or Guides to using Voiceover, I have had a Mac about 5 years and having being using the Zoom feature to make it possible for me to Access everything, However recently due to Work I have to spend more hours on the computer every day and finding the Eye Strain to much and am wanting to learn Voiceover to make things easier, I already use Voiceover on my iPhone 4 and iPad 2 however have never used it on my Mac. > > Any Tips or links to any good tutorials or guides available would be greatly appreciated. > > Regards > > Glen Bracegirdle From d.griffith at btinternet.com Wed Nov 9 10:41:52 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 10:41:52 -0000 Subject: Voicover Tutorials In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <227079.74413.qm@smtp824.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Go to the Vision Australia Website and download the Instructional Podcasts for using Voiceover on the Mac. There are some new podcasts on using Lion as well there. David Griffith -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of GLEN BRACEGIRDLE Sent: 09 November 2011 08:50 To: mac-access at mac-access.net Subject: Re: Voicover Tutorials > Hi Everyone > > I am looking for some Good tutorials or Guides to using Voiceover, I have had a Mac about 5 years and having being using the Zoom feature to make it possible for me to Access everything, However recently due to Work I have to spend more hours on the computer every day and finding the Eye Strain to much and am wanting to learn Voiceover to make things easier, I already use Voiceover on my iPhone 4 and iPad 2 however have never used it on my Mac. > > Any Tips or links to any good tutorials or guides available would be greatly appreciated. > > Regards > > Glen Bracegirdle <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . 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Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6552 (20111018) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6552 (20111018) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 6552 (20111018) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From d.griffith at btinternet.com Wed Nov 9 11:42:13 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:42:13 -0000 Subject: Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock In-Reply-To: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02D9D513439E@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: <208440.90953.qm@smtp821.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Have you tried copying the application to your applications folder and putting in the dock from there? -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sunil Peck Sent: 09 November 2011 09:45 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock Hi, I downloaded the Get iPlayer Automator app that was discussed on here yesterday. I located it in the downloads folder and did cmd+o to open the app. I downloaded some programmes from iPlayer that I was able to locate in iTunes and play no problem. Then I closed the app. Having done that, my intention was to add Get iPlayer Automator to my dock but I couldn't find it. Here's what I did, from the desktop I did cmd+shft+a for my list of apps, but it wasn't there. I assumed it would be there because I'd been using it. I wonder if I might have gone wrong by just opening the newly downloaded app instead of actually installing it. If that is right, what should I do instead of cmd+o to install a newly downloaded app? And if I install rather than open the dmg file will it automatically be added to my list of apps so I can add it to the dock? Cheers for now, Sunil ________________________________ Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by guarantee (number 520866). Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. 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Cheers. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith Sent: 09 November 2011 11:42 To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' Subject: RE: Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock Have you tried copying the application to your applications folder and putting in the dock from there? -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sunil Peck Sent: 09 November 2011 09:45 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock Hi, I downloaded the Get iPlayer Automator app that was discussed on here yesterday. I located it in the downloads folder and did cmd+o to open the app. I downloaded some programmes from iPlayer that I was able to locate in iTunes and play no problem. Then I closed the app. Having done that, my intention was to add Get iPlayer Automator to my dock but I couldn't find it. Here's what I did, from the desktop I did cmd+shft+a for my list of apps, but it wasn't there. I assumed it would be there because I'd been using it. I wonder if I might have gone wrong by just opening the newly downloaded app instead of actually installing it. If that is right, what should I do instead of cmd+o to install a newly downloaded app? And if I install rather than open the dmg file will it automatically be added to my list of apps so I can add it to the dock? Cheers for now, Sunil ________________________________ Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by guarantee (number 520866). Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. Our VAT number is 805156939. 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Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by guarantee (number 520866). Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. Our VAT number is 805156939. Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been addressed by the sender. This message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if you believe it was transmitted to you in error, you are required to delete the message and any copies of it, and to notify the sender immediately. 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When you've moved that app to your app's list just sit on it and use the command [command+shift+T] and that will add it to the doc! Another way is if you open the app it will appear in the doc! Just go to the doc whilst it is still open and sit on it there and do vo+shift+M and right arrow in there you will find a options sub menu and in that a keep in doc! Just vo space on it and you'll be done! hth Colin On 9 Nov 2011, at 11:46, Sunil Peck wrote: > No, I never thought of that. Cheers. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith > Sent: 09 November 2011 11:42 > To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' > Subject: RE: Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock > > Have you tried copying the application to your applications folder and > putting in the dock from there? > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sunil Peck > Sent: 09 November 2011 09:45 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock > > Hi, > > I downloaded the Get iPlayer Automator app that was discussed on here > yesterday. I located it in the downloads folder and did cmd+o to open the > app. I downloaded some programmes from iPlayer that I was able to locate in > iTunes and play no problem. Then I closed the app. > > Having done that, my intention was to add Get iPlayer Automator to my dock > but I couldn't find it. Here's what I did, from the desktop I did cmd+shft+a > for my list of apps, but it wasn't there. I assumed it would be there > because I'd been using it. > > I wonder if I might have gone wrong by just opening the newly downloaded app > instead of actually installing it. If that is right, what should I do > instead of cmd+o to install a newly downloaded app? And if I install rather > than open the dmg file will it automatically be added to my list of apps so > I can add it to the dock? > > Cheers for now, > Sunil > > > > > ________________________________ > Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by > guarantee (number 520866). > Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. > Our VAT number is 805156939. > > > Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk > > This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential and are > intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been addressed by the > sender. This message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If > you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if you believe it was > transmitted to you in error, you are required to delete the message and any > copies of it, and to notify the sender immediately. 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Actually tha'ts a givenand that's what I was taought the first time I ever opened my mac. In fact my instructor drilled that in to my head and now I can see why. lol! It's better organised to copy the app from the dmg or folder to the apps folder that way it can do what ever it needs to do. Take care. On Nov 9, 2011, at 6:35 AM, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi Sunil! > When you've moved that app to your app's list just sit on it and use the command [command+shift+T] and that will add it to the doc! > Another way is if you open the app it will appear in the doc! > Just go to the doc whilst it is still open and sit on it there and do vo+shift+M and right arrow in there you will find a options sub menu and in that a keep in doc! > Just vo space on it and you'll be done! > hth Colin > > On 9 Nov 2011, at 11:46, Sunil Peck wrote: > >> No, I never thought of that. Cheers. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of David Griffith >> Sent: 09 November 2011 11:42 >> To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' >> Subject: RE: Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock >> >> Have you tried copying the application to your applications folder and >> putting in the dock from there? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sunil Peck >> Sent: 09 November 2011 09:45 >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Locating newly installed apps and adding them to the dock >> >> Hi, >> >> I downloaded the Get iPlayer Automator app that was discussed on here >> yesterday. I located it in the downloads folder and did cmd+o to open the >> app. I downloaded some programmes from iPlayer that I was able to locate in >> iTunes and play no problem. Then I closed the app. >> >> Having done that, my intention was to add Get iPlayer Automator to my dock >> but I couldn't find it. Here's what I did, from the desktop I did cmd+shft+a >> for my list of apps, but it wasn't there. I assumed it would be there >> because I'd been using it. >> >> I wonder if I might have gone wrong by just opening the newly downloaded app >> instead of actually installing it. If that is right, what should I do >> instead of cmd+o to install a newly downloaded app? And if I install rather >> than open the dmg file will it automatically be added to my list of apps so >> I can add it to the dock? >> >> Cheers for now, >> Sunil >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by >> guarantee (number 520866). >> Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. >> Our VAT number is 805156939. >> >> >> Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk >> >> This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential and are >> intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been addressed by the >> sender. This message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If >> you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if you believe it was >> transmitted to you in error, you are required to delete the message and any >> copies of it, and to notify the sender immediately. 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Do I need to buy IWorks or another document program? Catherine Golding Olympia, Washington From 1smartdog at cox.net Wed Nov 9 17:08:51 2011 From: 1smartdog at cox.net (1SmartDog@cox.net) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 11:08:51 -0600 Subject: Dock issue Message-ID: <9D28786189444471AA99A5514C8DB2B5@karen796b6a58c> Hello, If someone can tell me my error, I'd certainly appreciate it. When navigating the dock items, there are items to the right of the separator (applications, documents, downloads and trash). When I land on any of these items, instructions say to press VO + space to open the item. When I do, nothing happens...ever. All other apps open correctly from the dock. What am I missing, please? Thank you, Karen From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Wed Nov 9 18:23:34 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:23:34 +0000 Subject: Dock issue In-Reply-To: <9D28786189444471AA99A5514C8DB2B5@karen796b6a58c> References: <9D28786189444471AA99A5514C8DB2B5@karen796b6a58c> Message-ID: <46F8F22A-2827-409A-8A44-759A70CB8111@virginmedia.com> Hi Karen! Here is some instructions to get that part of the doc working for you! this should apply to the apps as well! Colin > Folders that are placed into the Dock by default are set up to work with Stacks, I believe. What you want to do is navigate to the folder in your dock, and bring up the contextual menu with VO-Shift-M. If you use VO-Down arrow to move through the options, you'll find categories for "Sort by", "Display as", and "View content as". These are headings for the categories, and will be announced as "dimmed". The arguments you can check under "Sort by" are: "Name", "Date Added", "Date Modified", "Date Created", and "Kind", with "Name" checked as the default. It's the options in the "Display as" and "View content as" categories that you'll want to change. I set "Display as" to "Folder" instead of "Stack", and I set "View content as" to "List". I don't remember what the default setting of "View content as" is -- it may be "Automatic" or "Fan", but when the contents come up and are not in "List" mode VoiceOver doesn't announce them. > > You need to bring the context menu up for each item you want to change. So if you want to view your contents as "List", navigate to the folder, use VO-Shift-M, and VO-Down arrow to "List" then press return. Then if you want to display as "Folder", use VO-Shift-M again, arrow down to "Folder" and press return. You can use either the up and down arrow keys alone, or in combination with the VoiceOver Control and Option keys to navigate these menus. The difference is that you won't hear the category headings of "Sort by", "Display as", or "View content as" announced if you use the arrow keys alone without the VO keys. For anything you do apart from this initial setup, using just the arrow keys by themselves will give you all the information. > > Once you have set up the folder to be displayed as a folder and viewed as a list, you can just navigate to the folder and either press space bar or VO-Space to display the list of contents. VoiceOver will announce the entries as you arrow up and down the list. Access subfolders with your right arrow key, then move through files in your subfolder with the up and down arrow keys. Return to the parent folder by using the left arrow key. You can also move to the bottom of the list with Command+Down arrow or to the top of the list with Command+Up arrow. (This seems to move to the top or bottom of the visible list, so if your list is really long, continue to arrow up or down and then press Command+Up or Down arrow again.) The very end of the menu options will be an "Options" menu (where you can reset the view options we described above) and an "Open in Finder" option. This is handy if you want to do an actual copy and paste, or a move of the file in Finder. > > In addition, there's a rather neat trick if you want to move some of your iTunes folders like for Podcasts to the dock, because you can quickly navigate through the menus and start a podcast playing in iTunes from there! > > Also, I've found that in the dock you can use Fn+Down Arrow to cycle between the Applications section, the Folders section, and the Trash. Fn+Up Arrow also works in the reverse direction. So this is a quick way to move to the documents section of the dock after you issue your VO-D or Control-F3 command to move to the dock. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther On 9 Nov 2011, at 17:08, 1SmartDog at cox.net wrote: > Hello, > If someone can tell me my error, I'd certainly appreciate it. When navigating the dock items, there are items to the right of the separator (applications, documents, downloads and trash). When I land on any of these items, instructions say to press VO + space to open the item. When I do, nothing happens...ever. All other apps open correctly from the dock. What am I missing, please? > > Thank you, > Karen > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From juanitatighan at gmail.com Wed Nov 9 18:34:32 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 13:34:32 -0500 Subject: iGrill Message-ID: <4EBAC7B8.2060709@gmail.com> Eric is at the Apple Store trying to get my MacBook Pro fixzed. Hopefully, it's just that they have to replace the cord. He says there's an app called iGrill. It's free, and there's a $99 or so bluetooth food thermometer that you can get with it. Anyone tried it with the iPad, and just how accessible is it? Jane From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Wed Nov 9 18:43:17 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:43:17 +0000 Subject: Garage Band for iPad In-Reply-To: <4EBA4C81.9040006@internode.on.net> References: <7AF73FDD-E47C-463B-853C-1F89D5125508@bigpond.net.au> <4EBA4C81.9040006@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <7669F2BB-B405-46BF-A5AE-06630189A263@virginmedia.com> Hi all! Today I received a message from the Lion court mob! Talking about garage band for the IOs, they said there has been improved vo on it! So I was wondering if your all up to date and just check if you have any updates in your apps! colin On 9 Nov 2011, at 09:48, Dane trethowan wrote: > To be perfectly honest, I've never heard anyone say that garage Band is even accessible with Voiceover on an iPad or iPhone, garage Band is one of those apps I've bought with the iexpress intent of doing something with it but so much else takes priority . > > Now I don't know whether the Take Control Garage Band tutorials cover the iPad version of the software? I don't think they do from what I've read of them thus far but I'll double-check that as this could be most helpful. > > > > On 9/11/2011 8:41 PM, Sean Murphy wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have it for the IPhone and I am finding that not all the controls are speaking all the time. >> >> I don't really call this app accessible by my standards. >> >> I am still playing with it and hopefully will get some where. >> >> Sean >> On 09/11/2011, at 2:02 PM, Jane wrote: >> >>> A friend gave me Garage Band for the iPad. I hear it is accessible So far, I am at a loss. >>> >>> I have managed to get it going, but I can only see instruments, and not even many of those. I don't even know where to start. I wa shoping to use this as a teaching tool for home-schooling, that we would work on creating music using Garage Ban, but I can't help my daughter figure it out if *I* am at a loss. >>> >>> Does anyone have any links to clear tutorials tht spell out how to use it, wys it could be used, and so on? Also am interested in the podcast feature. >>> >>> Jane >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > -- > sent from my HP Powerhouse Notebook. > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Wed Nov 9 20:14:33 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:14:33 -1000 Subject: Text editor In-Reply-To: <002501cc9ef9$c5672ba0$503582e0$@net> References: <002501cc9ef9$c5672ba0$503582e0$@net> Message-ID: <96187C6B-FD9A-469B-B8F6-3868D1D6BE44@mac.com> Hi Catherine, TextEdit does let you print results, and you can open Word documents that are sent to you in this program. However, while it is easy to use, and actually more powerful than you might initially think, it has some shortcomings if you are looking for a word processing program to write research papers with footnotes, for example. James Austin has done periodic reviews of what's available in this regard. There are other good accessible word processors -- a free program called Bean is one of them -- which also fall short in this regard, although they have several nice features. If you're talking about the most full-featured word-processors you probably want to consider either Pages, which is Apple's iWork counterpart to Microsoft Word, or Nisus Writer Pro, which is a third party program that was recently revamped to version 2, and now is in a 2.1 release. Both these programs can be separately purchased from the Mac App Store (Pages for $19.99 and Nisus Writer Pro for $79.99). There are several people on list who can give you a more detailed evaluation of these products, and Nisus Writer Pro, in particular, has many enthusiastic users in its new incarnation. I'll point you to an post I wrote back in June in reply to Lynne's query about whether the new version was worth getting: ? Re: Nisus Writer Pro; Query http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/2011-June/013619.html That post summarizes an extensive review of the product in TidBITS, and excerpts key bits. The bottom line was that the writer considered it to be an overall superior experience to using either Microsoft Word or Pages for word processing, but he also made some very detailed comments about topics like degree of compatibility with Word documents handed back and forth between the two programs (mixed experience: both pluses and minuses.) Anne is probably the most expert user of Pages on this list. The current version is Pages '09, and is overdue for an upgrade. My guess is that this has been running late because it is being written to take advantage of the changes that have been made in both Mac OS X and iOS on devices like the iPad. This is true for the entire iWork suite (with counterparts to Excel, Word, and Powerpoint in Numbers, Pages, and Keynote). But this is certainly another viable alternative. One of the shortcomings of the Mac App store is that it does not support trial downloads -- developers can offer free lite versions of applications, but they cannot offer a free application that later requires you to pay an extra amount to keep it functional. So if you want to use a trial download, you have to visit the developer's web site directly. You can download a 15-day free trial version of Nisus Writer Pro from: http://www.nisus.com/pro/ Apple used to have a trial download page for the iWork suite at: http://www.apple.com/iwork/download-trial/ I don't know whether that still works. Now all the apps are separately purchasable at the Mac App Store. There was also a discussion about Nisus Writer Pro vs. Pages on this list in July. You can read through the thread at the secondary Mail Archive pages for this list: ? Nisus Writer Pro 2.0 Versus Pages; [Revisited] http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access at mac-access.net/msg00117.html To read down the thread, use the access key shortcut Control+n to navigate to the next post in the thread and Control+p to go to the previous post in the thread. These access key shortcuts work for all browsers on different platforms if you substitute the appropriate access key (e.g., for Internet Explorer use Alt+n and Alt+p; for Firefox I think it is Alt+Shift+n and Alt+Shift+p). Since we have a new Mac VoiceOver user who is sighted, I should mention that if you started Safari without VoiceOver running, then the access key combination is Control+Option+n for next and Control+Option+p for previous. But if you started Safari with VoiceOver running it is just Control+n and Control+p. There is one other interesting new app for writing called Scrivener. Rather than being focused on the generation of output, it's set up for the use of people who write a lot, and want to easily access intermediate tools like outlines and lists of ideas. Scrivener is also available from the Mac App Store ($44.99) and is accessible with VoiceOver. They also have a 30-free trial download of their product, but they are also running a NaNoWriMo trial special. This abbreviation stands for "National Novel Writing Month", which runs for the month of November. So they started a special trial download that would run through till December 7, regardless of when it was downloaded, and announced this at the end of October. At this point, you would be better off getting the regular trial download of Scrivener for the 30-day expiration, but there's another offer that is described on the web page of the Scrivener NaNoWriMo trial page at: http://www.literatureandlatte.com/nanowrimo.php If you purchase Scrivener directly from the developer's web page, you can enter a coupon code of "NANOWRIMO" (without the quotation marks) to receive a 20% discount on the $44.99 price. Also, if you actually become a winner in the National Novel Writing Month competition, you are eligible for a 50% discount on Scrivener. You can also read a review of Scrivener by a VoiceOver user at Austin Seraphin's blog: http://behindthecurtain.us/2011/09/07/scrivener/ As a final comment, for people who write technical papers with math and equations, there is a word processing solution with LaTeX that is completely accessible through an application called TeXShop, which is freeware. It's very powerful, and has excellent multilingual support, but a steep learning curve, so it won't be a solution for most people unless they use it a lot. (When I tell you that TeX was originally designed to get around the high price of mathematics books due to the costs associated with typesetting equations you may understand -- TeX can be used to produce publication quality books, and is used by some publishers, as well as being a standard for advanced papers in some scientific and technical fields.) While some people, like James Austin, find it worthwhile to learn for writing large numbers of (non-mathematical) papers at university, that's not the norm. HTH. Catherine, apologies for the late reply, but I lost the email that you sent me directly yesterday when I was trying to respond, so thanks for writing back on list. Cheers, Esther On Nov 9, 2011, at 06:08, Catherine Golding wrote: > Is Text Editor a complete word processing program from which I can print? > Do I need to buy IWorks or another document program? > > > > Catherine Golding > > Olympia, Washington > From 1smartdog at cox.net Wed Nov 9 20:14:40 2011 From: 1smartdog at cox.net (1SmartDog@cox.net) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 14:14:40 -0600 Subject: Dock issue References: <9D28786189444471AA99A5514C8DB2B5@karen796b6a58c> <46F8F22A-2827-409A-8A44-759A70CB8111@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <10ED090C498E4564A4704B2315BE5148@karen796b6a58c> Thank you very much! Working fine. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Red.Falcon" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Dock issue > Hi Karen! > Here is some instructions to get that part of the doc working for you! > this should apply to the apps as well! > Colin > > >> Folders that are placed into the Dock by default are set up to work with >> Stacks, I believe. What you want to do is navigate to the folder in your >> dock, and bring up the contextual menu with VO-Shift-M. If you use >> VO-Down arrow to move through the options, you'll find categories for >> "Sort by", "Display as", and "View content as". These are headings for >> the categories, and will be announced as "dimmed". The arguments you can >> check under "Sort by" are: "Name", "Date Added", "Date Modified", "Date >> Created", and "Kind", with "Name" checked as the default. It's the >> options in the "Display as" and "View content as" categories that you'll >> want to change. I set "Display as" to "Folder" instead of "Stack", and I >> set "View content as" to "List". I don't remember what the default >> setting of "View content as" is -- it may be "Automatic" or "Fan", but >> when the contents come up and are not in "List" mode VoiceOver doesn't >> announce them. >> >> You need to bring the context menu up for each item you want to change. >> So if you want to view your contents as "List", navigate to the folder, >> use VO-Shift-M, and VO-Down arrow to "List" then press return. Then if >> you want to display as "Folder", use VO-Shift-M again, arrow down to >> "Folder" and press return. You can use either the up and down arrow >> keys alone, or in combination with the VoiceOver Control and Option keys >> to navigate these menus. The difference is that you won't hear the >> category headings of "Sort by", "Display as", or "View content as" >> announced if you use the arrow keys alone without the VO keys. For >> anything you do apart from this initial setup, using just the arrow keys >> by themselves will give you all the information. >> >> Once you have set up the folder to be displayed as a folder and viewed as >> a list, you can just navigate to the folder and either press space bar or >> VO-Space to display the list of contents. VoiceOver will announce the >> entries as you arrow up and down the list. Access subfolders with your >> right arrow key, then move through files in your subfolder with the up >> and down arrow keys. Return to the parent folder by using the left arrow >> key. You can also move to the bottom of the list with Command+Down arrow >> or to the top of the list with Command+Up arrow. (This seems to move to >> the top or bottom of the visible list, so if your list is really long, >> continue to arrow up or down and then press Command+Up or Down arrow >> again.) The very end of the menu options will be an "Options" menu >> (where you can reset the view options we described above) and an "Open in >> Finder" option. This is handy if you want to do an actual copy and >> paste, or a move of the file in Finder. >> >> In addition, there's a rather neat trick if you want to move some of your >> iTunes folders like for Podcasts to the dock, because you can quickly >> navigate through the menus and start a podcast playing in iTunes from >> there! >> >> Also, I've found that in the dock you can use Fn+Down Arrow to cycle >> between the Applications section, the Folders section, and the Trash. >> Fn+Up Arrow also works in the reverse direction. So this is a quick way >> to move to the documents section of the dock after you issue your VO-D or >> Control-F3 command to move to the dock. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther > > > On 9 Nov 2011, at 17:08, 1SmartDog at cox.net wrote: > >> Hello, >> If someone can tell me my error, I'd certainly appreciate it. When >> navigating the dock items, there are items to the right of the separator >> (applications, documents, downloads and trash). When I land on any of >> these items, instructions say to press VO + space to open the item. When >> I do, nothing happens...ever. All other apps open correctly from the >> dock. What am I missing, please? >> >> Thank you, >> Karen >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From lyewchan at telus.net Wed Nov 9 20:15:19 2011 From: lyewchan at telus.net (Lovette Yewchan) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 12:15:19 -0800 Subject: Voicover Tutorials In-Reply-To: <227079.74413.qm@smtp824.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> References: <227079.74413.qm@smtp824.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Where are the tatorials on this sight? On 2011-11-09, at 2:41 AM, David Griffith wrote: > Go to the Vision Australia Website and download the Instructional Podcasts > for using Voiceover on the Mac. > There are some new podcasts on using Lion as well there. > > David Griffith > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of GLEN BRACEGIRDLE > Sent: 09 November 2011 08:50 > To: mac-access at mac-access.net > Subject: Re: Voicover Tutorials > >> Hi Everyone >> >> I am looking for some Good tutorials or Guides to using Voiceover, I have > had a Mac about 5 years and having being using the Zoom feature to make it > possible for me to Access everything, However recently due to Work I have to > spend more hours on the computer every day and finding the Eye Strain to > much and am wanting to learn Voiceover to make things easier, I already use > Voiceover on my iPhone 4 and iPad 2 however have never used it on my Mac. >> >> Any Tips or links to any good tutorials or guides available would be > greatly appreciated. >> >> Regards >> >> Glen Bracegirdle > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6552 (20111018) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6552 (20111018) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 6552 (20111018) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Wed Nov 9 20:39:53 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 10:39:53 -1000 Subject: Voicover Tutorials In-Reply-To: References: <227079.74413.qm@smtp824.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Lovette, The page for the Vision Australia podcasts is: http://www.visionaustralia.org/info.aspx?page=2287 (I do a Google search for "vision australia podcasts" or "vision australia adaptive technology podcasts" to find the page). There are links to different categories for iOS and Mac OS X. You can also subscribe to the current Vision Australia podcast series on "Apple and Other Accessible Technology" in iTunes: http://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/apple-other-accessible-technology/id423121261 HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 9, 2011, at 10:15, Lovette Yewchan wrote: > Where are the tatorials on this sight? > > On 2011-11-09, at 2:41 AM, David Griffith wrote: > >> Go to the Vision Australia Website and download the Instructional Podcasts >> for using Voiceover on the Mac. >> There are some new podcasts on using Lion as well there. >> >> David Griffith From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Wed Nov 9 23:07:54 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 23:07:54 +0000 Subject: Advice on deleting contacts on the iPhone Message-ID: <4EBB07CA.2090207@techno-chat.net> All, If you wish to delete contacts on the iPhone may I advise you to please use the phone app. For some reason you can't always delete a contact in the contacts app, even if you double tapped the edit button. Thanks for reading. Kind Regards. From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 02:22:22 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:22:22 -0800 Subject: Advice on deleting contacts on the iPhone In-Reply-To: <4EBB07CA.2090207@techno-chat.net> References: <4EBB07CA.2090207@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <7A13F323-6752-42E7-BE69-2ADB0BABB09D@gmail.com> Acutaly if you swipe all the way down and flick the delete button is sometimes headen but is finable eventally. I'm writing this while on a break from class and need to get back soon lol 1 but this is in the contacts app. On Nov 9, 2011, at 3:07 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > All, > If you wish to delete contacts on the iPhone may I advise you to please use the phone app. For some reason you can't always delete a contact in the contacts app, even if you double tapped the edit button. > Thanks for reading. > Kind Regards. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Thu Nov 10 03:54:12 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 21:54:12 -0600 Subject: Atlantis mud client Message-ID: <95503B31-A8AA-4D67-B079-69C2B0DA6F75@swbell.net> Has anyone tried this mud client? If so did they get a way to make it rad the new lines of text read? For that matter is there a way to do it? Thanks in advance, From weavermicha at googlemail.com Thu Nov 10 05:00:35 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 05:00:35 +0000 Subject: skype notifications problem Message-ID: <4ebb5873.2806b40a.3d55.168e@mx.google.com> i have been looking at skype and the problem of not being told as to which of my contacts has come on-line. i have noticed a strange thing and i wonder if this is the problem. there is notifications under preferences but also there is something called notifications settings under conversations which seems to be dimmed and i can't seem to be able to do anything with this option so i am wondering if this might be where my problem is as when i hit enter on it, voiceover just goes back to the contacts browser. From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Thu Nov 10 08:58:24 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:58:24 +1100 Subject: We are just home from hospital; again! In-Reply-To: <12C02A72-E246-43DA-9CBC-A783E8876AF7@mac-access.net> References: <12C02A72-E246-43DA-9CBC-A783E8876AF7@mac-access.net> Message-ID: i am sorry to here about this hugs to both of you On 09/11/2011, at 1:54 AM, Gordon & Lynne wrote: > Hello everybody > > For the benefit of those of you waiting for support responses, (and there are several), please give us a little time. We've been hospitalised since Saturday and have just arrived home. We are just playing catch-up and will get to you shortly. We are sorry for any inconvenience. > > Lynne > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Thu Nov 10 09:30:06 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 20:30:06 +1100 Subject: Atlantis mud client In-Reply-To: <95503B31-A8AA-4D67-B079-69C2B0DA6F75@swbell.net> References: <95503B31-A8AA-4D67-B079-69C2B0DA6F75@swbell.net> Message-ID: <1B13C862-EE40-4B39-A656-E946ABD648F1@bluebottle.com> hi i tried it and didn't like it as it won't read out what is happening like mush for windoes does sad smiley face On 10/11/2011, at 2:54 PM, michael maslo wrote: > Has anyone tried this mud client? If so did they get a way to make it rad the new lines of text read? > > For that matter is there a way to do it? > > Thanks in advance, > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 09:41:18 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 04:41:18 -0500 Subject: Introduction! Message-ID: <011d01cc9f8c$e675f630$b361e290$@gmail.com> Hi, I'm a new member of this list and have a ipad1 and iPhone 3gs and hope in the future to get the iphone4s and Ipad3 possibly and hope in the future to get a Mac of some kind. I have been a user of the iPhone since the iphone3gs came out in 2009 and got the Ipad1 not long after it came out. As my wife uses the ipad1 more than me and she is a seeing person and really likes it better than the computer any day she says. So hope to learn and contribute to this. Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 09:56:06 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 04:56:06 -0500 Subject: Skype notifications problem Message-ID: <013d01cc9f8e$f7b0bff0$e7123fd0$@gmail.com> Hi, sounds like for some reason you have restrictions turn on for this. Go to settings, general and restrictions and check it out. HTH Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of michael weaver Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:01 AM To: mac-access at mac-access.net Subject: skype notifications problem i have been looking at skype and the problem of not being told as to which of my contacts has come on-line. i have noticed a strange thing and i wonder if this is the problem. there is notifications under preferences but also there is something called notifications settings under conversations which seems to be dimmed and i can't seem to be able to do anything with this option so i am wondering if this might be where my problem is as when i hit enter on it, voiceover just goes back to the contacts browser. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Nov 10 10:03:50 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:03:50 +0000 Subject: Another New iOS User In-Reply-To: <011d01cc9f8c$e675f630$b361e290$@gmail.com> References: <011d01cc9f8c$e675f630$b361e290$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20D67941-EB3A-4D35-94DC-C24B997D9651@mac-access.net> Hello Bubba from Lynne and Gordon, the list owners. I'm sure you'll enjoy the group; there are a lot of informed people here from all around the glob. Australasia, Europe and North America being the predominant regions; but not the only ones. We run this list using everything Apple, and our clients are all Apple too. So welcome again and enjoy your iOS devices plus their discussion on this list. Lynne On 10 Nov 2011, at 09:41, Bubba wrote: Hi, I'm a new member of this list and have a ipad1 and iPhone 3gs and hope in the future to get the iphone4s and Ipad3 possibly and hope in the future to get a Mac of some kind. I have been a user of the iPhone since the iphone3gs came out in 2009 and got the Ipad1 not long after it came out. As my wife uses the ipad1 more than me and she is a seeing person and really likes it better than the computer any day she says. So hope to learn and contribute to this. From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 10:13:02 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 05:13:02 -0500 Subject: Another New iOS User In-Reply-To: <20D67941-EB3A-4D35-94DC-C24B997D9651@mac-access.net> References: <011d01cc9f8c$e675f630$b361e290$@gmail.com> <20D67941-EB3A-4D35-94DC-C24B997D9651@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <013e01cc9f91$55a14b50$00e3e1f0$@gmail.com> Thanks and sure I will. I notice in the email I got about the rules and guidelines it had you and another person as mods but did not see a contact email for you all so do you have one just in case? Hope I never need it but just in case! Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:04 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Another New iOS User Hello Bubba from Lynne and Gordon, the list owners. I'm sure you'll enjoy the group; there are a lot of informed people here from all around the glob. Australasia, Europe and North America being the predominant regions; but not the only ones. We run this list using everything Apple, and our clients are all Apple too. So welcome again and enjoy your iOS devices plus their discussion on this list. Lynne On 10 Nov 2011, at 09:41, Bubba wrote: Hi, I'm a new member of this list and have a ipad1 and iPhone 3gs and hope in the future to get the iphone4s and Ipad3 possibly and hope in the future to get a Mac of some kind. I have been a user of the iPhone since the iphone3gs came out in 2009 and got the Ipad1 not long after it came out. As my wife uses the ipad1 more than me and she is a seeing person and really likes it better than the computer any day she says. So hope to learn and contribute to this. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From gordon at mac-access.net Thu Nov 10 10:49:56 2011 From: gordon at mac-access.net (Gordon Smith) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:49:56 +0000 Subject: Another New iOS User In-Reply-To: <013e01cc9f91$55a14b50$00e3e1f0$@gmail.com> References: <011d01cc9f8c$e675f630$b361e290$@gmail.com> <20D67941-EB3A-4D35-94DC-C24B997D9651@mac-access.net> <013e01cc9f91$55a14b50$00e3e1f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9BF40EC9-1406-406C-BD49-D6B4A9B0A3D4@mac-access.net> Hello Bubba Yes; the contact emails are there; but you can either contact Gordon and myself as the list owners here: or our assisted list controllers who generally take over if we are absent. Their addresses are: Anne Robertson; or: James Austin; We also offer free email addresses if anybody would like them on our secure servers under the mac-access.net domain or any of our others; contact us off list if you need more info on that. If you're interested in the Take Control of My Mac books, about the Mac and the iOS devices, you can buy those from us at an 80 per cent discount. Details on the books are here: but don't buy the books there. Contact us if you want to buy any and we will tell you how to proceed. They are very cheap, well worth the money. Note: We do not make profit from that; we pay what you pay and not a bean more. Lynne On 10 Nov 2011, at 10:13, Bubba wrote: Thanks and sure I will. I notice in the email I got about the rules and guidelines it had you and another person as mods but did not see a contact email for you all so do you have one just in case? Hope I never need it but just in case! Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:04 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Another New iOS User Hello Bubba from Lynne and Gordon, the list owners. I'm sure you'll enjoy the group; there are a lot of informed people here from all around the glob. Australasia, Europe and North America being the predominant regions; but not the only ones. We run this list using everything Apple, and our clients are all Apple too. So welcome again and enjoy your iOS devices plus their discussion on this list. Lynne On 10 Nov 2011, at 09:41, Bubba wrote: Hi, I'm a new member of this list and have a ipad1 and iPhone 3gs and hope in the future to get the iphone4s and Ipad3 possibly and hope in the future to get a Mac of some kind. I have been a user of the iPhone since the iphone3gs came out in 2009 and got the Ipad1 not long after it came out. As my wife uses the ipad1 more than me and she is a seeing person and really likes it better than the computer any day she says. So hope to learn and contribute to this. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Nov 10 10:50:37 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:50:37 +0000 Subject: Another New iOS User In-Reply-To: <9BF40EC9-1406-406C-BD49-D6B4A9B0A3D4@mac-access.net> References: <011d01cc9f8c$e675f630$b361e290$@gmail.com> <20D67941-EB3A-4D35-94DC-C24B997D9651@mac-access.net> <013e01cc9f91$55a14b50$00e3e1f0$@gmail.com> <9BF40EC9-1406-406C-BD49-D6B4A9B0A3D4@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <56654F7F-71C3-4946-9FFA-D577F1E4CB63@mac-access.net> Woopse, I forgot to change accounts so this was sent from Gordon's. Lynne On 10 Nov 2011, at 10:49, Gordon Smith wrote: Hello Bubba Yes; the contact emails are there; but you can either contact Gordon and myself as the list owners here: or our assisted list controllers who generally take over if we are absent. Their addresses are: Anne Robertson; or: James Austin; We also offer free email addresses if anybody would like them on our secure servers under the mac-access.net domain or any of our others; contact us off list if you need more info on that. If you're interested in the Take Control of My Mac books, about the Mac and the iOS devices, you can buy those from us at an 80 per cent discount. Details on the books are here: but don't buy the books there. Contact us if you want to buy any and we will tell you how to proceed. They are very cheap, well worth the money. Note: We do not make profit from that; we pay what you pay and not a bean more. Lynne On 10 Nov 2011, at 10:13, Bubba wrote: Thanks and sure I will. I notice in the email I got about the rules and guidelines it had you and another person as mods but did not see a contact email for you all so do you have one just in case? Hope I never need it but just in case! Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:04 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Another New iOS User Hello Bubba from Lynne and Gordon, the list owners. I'm sure you'll enjoy the group; there are a lot of informed people here from all around the glob. Australasia, Europe and North America being the predominant regions; but not the only ones. We run this list using everything Apple, and our clients are all Apple too. So welcome again and enjoy your iOS devices plus their discussion on this list. Lynne On 10 Nov 2011, at 09:41, Bubba wrote: Hi, I'm a new member of this list and have a ipad1 and iPhone 3gs and hope in the future to get the iphone4s and Ipad3 possibly and hope in the future to get a Mac of some kind. I have been a user of the iPhone since the iphone3gs came out in 2009 and got the Ipad1 not long after it came out. As my wife uses the ipad1 more than me and she is a seeing person and really likes it better than the computer any day she says. So hope to learn and contribute to this. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From barry.hill3 at sky.com Thu Nov 10 11:40:17 2011 From: barry.hill3 at sky.com (Barry Hill) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:40:17 -0000 Subject: Taxi app recommendation Message-ID: <00c501cc9f9d$85aa63c0$90ff2b40$@sky.com> Hi all I've just got an I-phone app for finding taxi's where you are. I've tried it out at home and it's pretty good. The results are all 0033 cheap rate mobile calls, so it doesn't give taxi companies that don't have these 0033 numbers. It's very easy to use and totally accessible. The results start with your closest, giving number then name, then distance, followed by a link to call them. You can check it out at: http://apps.metro.co.uk/iphoneapps/metro-cab-finder Cheers Barry From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 12:39:35 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:39:35 -0500 Subject: Another New iOS User In-Reply-To: <9BF40EC9-1406-406C-BD49-D6B4A9B0A3D4@mac-access.net> References: <011d01cc9f8c$e675f630$b361e290$@gmail.com> <20D67941-EB3A-4D35-94DC-C24B997D9651@mac-access.net> <013e01cc9f91$55a14b50$00e3e1f0$@gmail.com> <9BF40EC9-1406-406C-BD49-D6B4A9B0A3D4@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <006901cc9fa5$ceb10670$6c131350$@com> Hi, will keep and when I go to get my Mac will get up with you all on the book. Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Gordon Smith Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:50 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Another New iOS User Hello Bubba Yes; the contact emails are there; but you can either contact Gordon and myself as the list owners here: or our assisted list controllers who generally take over if we are absent. Their addresses are: Anne Robertson; or: James Austin; We also offer free email addresses if anybody would like them on our secure servers under the mac-access.net domain or any of our others; contact us off list if you need more info on that. If you're interested in the Take Control of My Mac books, about the Mac and the iOS devices, you can buy those from us at an 80 per cent discount. Details on the books are here: but don't buy the books there. Contact us if you want to buy any and we will tell you how to proceed. They are very cheap, well worth the money. Note: We do not make profit from that; we pay what you pay and not a bean more. Lynne On 10 Nov 2011, at 10:13, Bubba wrote: Thanks and sure I will. I notice in the email I got about the rules and guidelines it had you and another person as mods but did not see a contact email for you all so do you have one just in case? Hope I never need it but just in case! Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 5:04 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Another New iOS User Hello Bubba from Lynne and Gordon, the list owners. I'm sure you'll enjoy the group; there are a lot of informed people here from all around the glob. Australasia, Europe and North America being the predominant regions; but not the only ones. We run this list using everything Apple, and our clients are all Apple too. So welcome again and enjoy your iOS devices plus their discussion on this list. Lynne On 10 Nov 2011, at 09:41, Bubba wrote: Hi, I'm a new member of this list and have a ipad1 and iPhone 3gs and hope in the future to get the iphone4s and Ipad3 possibly and hope in the future to get a Mac of some kind. I have been a user of the iPhone since the iphone3gs came out in 2009 and got the Ipad1 not long after it came out. As my wife uses the ipad1 more than me and she is a seeing person and really likes it better than the computer any day she says. So hope to learn and contribute to this. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From w9fyi at mac-access.net Thu Nov 10 14:28:48 2011 From: w9fyi at mac-access.net (Justin Mann) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 08:28:48 -0600 Subject: using filmmaker? Message-ID: Hi there, I'm writing to ask for some help using either filemaker, and/or bento. I'm attempting to design a database for the purpose of tracking the process of vehicle disposal and export from a company. I've looked at bento, and file maker, and I like what I'm seeing on the Aple side. It appears very easy to design the database in Bento, but I'm concerned about the accessibility of filemaker. Filemaker has the advantage of being usable in both Apple and windows. Any ideas? Thanks, From widgie77 at tpg.com.au Thu Nov 10 15:38:28 2011 From: widgie77 at tpg.com.au (Nicki Muir) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:38:28 +0800 Subject: new member: and a question about Skype 5 with the mac Message-ID: <944B672C-2580-4C96-AAA3-0E0E08EB9470@tpg.com.au> Hi everyone, I thought I would write to introduce myself, my name is Nicki and I come from Perth Western australia. I own a macbook Pro, an IPad 2 and an iPhone 4S. over the last year you can say I've turned in to an apple junky and wouldn't go back to windows if you paid me. I've been wondering this question for a while and if it's been answered before I do appoligise for bringing it up again. I can't work out how to conference using Skype 5 and my Mac. I used the older version of Skype for a while when I first got my mac Skype 2.8 but decided I should really update and since then I haven't been able to figure out how to do conferencing. as specially conferencing when your already on a call under windows this is pretty simple but it seems like there is no easy fix for the mac. unless I'm missing something. any help would be appreciated. Nicki From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 15:41:23 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 10:41:23 -0500 Subject: new member: and a question about Skype 5 with the Mac In-Reply-To: <944B672C-2580-4C96-AAA3-0E0E08EB9470@tpg.com.au> References: <944B672C-2580-4C96-AAA3-0E0E08EB9470@tpg.com.au> Message-ID: <001101cc9fbf$344181e0$9cc485a0$@com> Hi, and welcome aboard! Sure someone will chine in I cannot answer this as I don't have that Mac yet! Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Nicki Muir Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:38 AM To: mac-access at mac-access.net Subject: new member: and a question about Skype 5 with the mac Hi everyone, I thought I would write to introduce myself, my name is Nicki and I come from Perth Western australia. I own a macbook Pro, an IPad 2 and an iPhone 4S. over the last year you can say I've turned in to an apple junky and wouldn't go back to windows if you paid me. I've been wondering this question for a while and if it's been answered before I do appoligise for bringing it up again. I can't work out how to conference using Skype 5 and my Mac. I used the older version of Skype for a while when I first got my mac Skype 2.8 but decided I should really update and since then I haven't been able to figure out how to do conferencing. as specially conferencing when your already on a call under windows this is pretty simple but it seems like there is no easy fix for the mac. unless I'm missing something. any help would be appreciated. Nicki <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Thu Nov 10 16:20:08 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:20:08 +0000 Subject: Introduction! In-Reply-To: <011d01cc9f8c$e675f630$b361e290$@gmail.com> References: <011d01cc9f8c$e675f630$b361e290$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EBBF9B8.9040502@techno-chat.net> Hi Bubba I know you from other lists so nice to see you on here. For those who don't know I have an iPod Touch 4th Generation running iOS 5 and an iPhone 4 running the same OS. I am using VoiceOver on both of them. Chat soon. On 10/11/2011 09:41, Bubba wrote: > Hi, I'm a new member of this list and have a ipad1 and iPhone 3gs and hope > in the future to get the iphone4s and Ipad3 possibly and hope in the future > to get a Mac of some kind. I have been a user of the iPhone since the > iphone3gs came out in 2009 and got the Ipad1 not long after it came out. As > my wife uses the ipad1 more than me and she is a seeing person and really > likes it better than the computer any day she says. So hope to learn and > contribute to this. > > > > > > Bubba > > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Thu Nov 10 17:16:24 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:16:24 +0000 Subject: iOS support Message-ID: <4EBC06E8.9000909@techno-chat.net> Hello all. I thought I would promote myself here. Hope you don't mind. Since I have been using iOS for a few months, both on the iPod Touch 4th Generation and recently the iPhone 4, I am willing to offer free support. That means, if you have a problem or a question with your iOS device, there's a good chance I may be of some assistance. I am also willing to test apps for accessibility. I jut love my iOS devices that I thought why not. If I can help you out with computer software, why can't I do it for iOS devices and the iOS itself? Of course I am not going to know everything but I will do my best. So hope this is ok guys. Chat soon. From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 17:29:52 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:29:52 -0800 Subject: Taxi app recommendation In-Reply-To: <00c501cc9f9d$85aa63c0$90ff2b40$@sky.com> References: <00c501cc9f9d$85aa63c0$90ff2b40$@sky.com> Message-ID: <082E0AE1-1FB7-4D19-A2D1-947E8B5CA251@gmail.com> Looks good but I wish they had something similar in the us. If someone knows of such a thing I'd love it as here most cab companies the cap starts at 3 dollars us. URG. Take care all. On Nov 10, 2011, at 3:40 AM, Barry Hill wrote: > Hi all > > I've just got an I-phone app for finding taxi's where you are. I've tried > it out at home and it's pretty good. The results are all 0033 cheap rate > mobile calls, so it doesn't give taxi companies that don't have these 0033 > numbers. It's very easy to use and totally accessible. The results start > with your closest, giving number then name, then distance, followed by a > link to call them. > > You can check it out at: > > http://apps.metro.co.uk/iphoneapps/metro-cab-finder > > Cheers > > Barry > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris at mysticplace.info Thu Nov 10 18:32:33 2011 From: chris at mysticplace.info (Chris G) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:32:33 -0500 Subject: Taxi app recommendation In-Reply-To: <082E0AE1-1FB7-4D19-A2D1-947E8B5CA251@gmail.com> References: <00c501cc9f9d$85aa63c0$90ff2b40$@sky.com> <082E0AE1-1FB7-4D19-A2D1-947E8B5CA251@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20111110133231.5912.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Last month when I was in Irving Texas I used an app called taxi magic. I could schedule my rides on a web site and when the cab was dispatched I got a message telling me how far the cab was and even the drivers name. When I was getting closer to my destination I received a text message, you can pay by replying to this message. So I did, and about a minute later the cab driver said he received the payment. It was amazing. Unfortunately taxi magic doesn't work in my area. http://www.taximagic.com On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:29:52 -0800 Sarah Alawami wrote: > Looks good but I wish they had something similar in the us. If someone knows of such a thing I'd love it as here most cab companies the cap starts at 3 dollars us. URG. > > Take care all. > On Nov 10, 2011, at 3:40 AM, Barry Hill wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > I've just got an I-phone app for finding taxi's where you are. I've tried > > it out at home and it's pretty good. The results are all 0033 cheap rate > > mobile calls, so it doesn't give taxi companies that don't have these 0033 > > numbers. It's very easy to use and totally accessible. The results start > > with your closest, giving number then name, then distance, followed by a > > link to call them. > > > > You can check it out at: > > > > http://apps.metro.co.uk/iphoneapps/metro-cab-finder > > > > Cheers > > > > Barry > > > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > > > or at the public Mail Archive: > > . > > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > - The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. http://www.mysticplace.info Mailing lists: lists.mysticplace.info From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 18:56:42 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:56:42 -0500 Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out Message-ID: <8CAF0E44-1C8D-452E-9486-728BCBFD6559@gmail.com> The latest update, IOS 5.01, is now available. In the summary tab, the dialogue may tell you your softwear is up to date, but press the update button anyway, and you'll be informed of the new update. -- Marcy marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com From terry.clasper at btinternet.com Thu Nov 10 18:58:10 2011 From: terry.clasper at btinternet.com (Terry Clasper) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:58:10 -0000 Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out In-Reply-To: <8CAF0E44-1C8D-452E-9486-728BCBFD6559@gmail.com> References: <8CAF0E44-1C8D-452E-9486-728BCBFD6559@gmail.com> Message-ID: <014701cc9fda$b1306ed0$13914c70$@clasper@btinternet.com> And how do you do this from the 4S without the pc? Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Marcy Weinberg Sent: 10 November 2011 18:57 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out The latest update, IOS 5.01, is now available. In the summary tab, the dialogue may tell you your softwear is up to date, but press the update button anyway, and you'll be informed of the new update. -- Marcy marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 19:00:19 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:00:19 -0500 Subject: Taxi app recommendation In-Reply-To: <20111110133231.5912.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> References: <00c501cc9f9d$85aa63c0$90ff2b40$@sky.com> <082E0AE1-1FB7-4D19-A2D1-947E8B5CA251@gmail.com> <20111110133231.5912.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Message-ID: <000001cc9fda$febb81d0$fc328570$@com> Yes, I have this app as well and it does not work in my area either but it still give the taxies cab listing and I think phone numbers . Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris G Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:33 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Taxi app recommendation Last month when I was in Irving Texas I used an app called taxi magic. I could schedule my rides on a web site and when the cab was dispatched I got a message telling me how far the cab was and even the drivers name. When I was getting closer to my destination I received a text message, you can pay by replying to this message. So I did, and about a minute later the cab driver said he received the payment. It was amazing. Unfortunately taxi magic doesn't work in my area. http://www.taximagic.com On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 09:29:52 -0800 Sarah Alawami wrote: > Looks good but I wish they had something similar in the us. If someone knows of such a thing I'd love it as here most cab companies the cap starts at 3 dollars us. URG. > > Take care all. > On Nov 10, 2011, at 3:40 AM, Barry Hill wrote: > > > Hi all > > > > I've just got an I-phone app for finding taxi's where you are. I've tried > > it out at home and it's pretty good. The results are all 0033 cheap rate > > mobile calls, so it doesn't give taxi companies that don't have these 0033 > > numbers. It's very easy to use and totally accessible. The results start > > with your closest, giving number then name, then distance, followed by a > > link to call them. > > > > You can check it out at: > > > > http://apps.metro.co.uk/iphoneapps/metro-cab-finder > > > > Cheers > > > > Barry > > > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > > > or at the public Mail Archive: > > . > > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > - The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. http://www.mysticplace.info Mailing lists: lists.mysticplace.info <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 19:01:17 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:01:17 -0500 Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out In-Reply-To: <8CAF0E44-1C8D-452E-9486-728BCBFD6559@gmail.com> References: <8CAF0E44-1C8D-452E-9486-728BCBFD6559@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000101cc9fdb$20df96c0$629ec440$@com> Yes, and this can be done on your device now. Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Marcy Weinberg Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:57 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out The latest update, IOS 5.01, is now available. In the summary tab, the dialogue may tell you your softwear is up to date, but press the update button anyway, and you'll be informed of the new update. -- Marcy marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From will.d.lomas at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 19:02:54 2011 From: will.d.lomas at gmail.com (william lomas) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:02:54 +0000 Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out In-Reply-To: <4ebc1ecc.0fedd80a.29fe.fffff6deSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <8CAF0E44-1C8D-452E-9486-728BCBFD6559@gmail.com> <4ebc1ecc.0fedd80a.29fe.fffff6deSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: go to software update On Nov 10, 2011, at 6:58 PM, Terry Clasper wrote: > And how do you do this from the 4S without the pc? > Thanks! > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Marcy Weinberg > Sent: 10 November 2011 18:57 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out > > The latest update, IOS 5.01, is now available. In the summary tab, the > dialogue may tell you your softwear is up to date, but press the update > button anyway, and you'll be informed of the new update. > > -- > Marcy > marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com > > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 19:04:50 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:04:50 -0500 Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out In-Reply-To: <4ebc1ecb.47cbe30a.0941.fffffdb0SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <8CAF0E44-1C8D-452E-9486-728BCBFD6559@gmail.com> <4ebc1ecb.47cbe30a.0941.fffffdb0SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000201cc9fdb$a0055520$e00fff60$@com> Hi, if you go to settings and general and software updates this will get you where you need to be. Now I think you need to be on Wi-Fi for this! Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Terry Clasper Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:58 PM To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' Subject: RE: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out And how do you do this from the 4S without the pc? Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Marcy Weinberg Sent: 10 November 2011 18:57 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out The latest update, IOS 5.01, is now available. In the summary tab, the dialogue may tell you your softwear is up to date, but press the update button anyway, and you'll be informed of the new update. -- Marcy marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 19:11:08 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:11:08 -0500 Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out In-Reply-To: References: <8CAF0E44-1C8D-452E-9486-728BCBFD6559@gmail.com> <4ebc1ecc.0fedd80a.29fe.fffff6deSMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0697AB79-B926-4DE6-9FCC-3246C3F7ACEF@gmail.com> Softwear update is in settings/general. On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:02 PM, william lomas wrote: go to software update On Nov 10, 2011, at 6:58 PM, Terry Clasper wrote: > And how do you do this from the 4S without the pc? > Thanks! > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Marcy Weinberg > Sent: 10 November 2011 18:57 > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out > > The latest update, IOS 5.01, is now available. In the summary tab, the > dialogue may tell you your softwear is up to date, but press the update > button anyway, and you'll be informed of the new update. > > -- > Marcy > marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com > > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: -- Marcy marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Thu Nov 10 19:11:52 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:11:52 +0000 Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out In-Reply-To: <000201cc9fdb$a0055520$e00fff60$@com> References: <8CAF0E44-1C8D-452E-9486-728BCBFD6559@gmail.com> <4ebc1ecb.47cbe30a.0941.fffffdb0SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <000201cc9fdb$a0055520$e00fff60$@com> Message-ID: <4EBC21F8.5020802@techno-chat.net> Ok all. I am in settings, general, software update, and the progress is halted. But it also says checking for update. What do I need to do now? My screen is currently unlocked. Of course we are all new to this software update feature so I am not expecting a response just like that. But if you can help that would be great. Thanks! P.S. I am on wifi on my iPhone 4. On 10/11/2011 19:04, Bubba wrote: > Hi, if you go to settings and general and software updates this will get you > where you need to be. Now I think you need to be on Wi-Fi for this! > > > Sign, > Bubba > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Terry Clasper > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:58 PM > To: 'Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility' > Subject: RE: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out > > And how do you do this from the 4S without the pc? > Thanks! > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Marcy Weinberg > Sent: 10 November 2011 18:57 > To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility > Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out > > The latest update, IOS 5.01, is now available. In the summary tab, the > dialogue may tell you your softwear is up to date, but press the update > button anyway, and you'll be informed of the new update. > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Thu Nov 10 19:13:37 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:13:37 +0000 Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out In-Reply-To: <000201cc9fdb$a0055520$e00fff60$@com> References: <8CAF0E44-1C8D-452E-9486-728BCBFD6559@gmail.com> <4ebc1ecb.47cbe30a.0941.fffffdb0SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <000201cc9fdb$a0055520$e00fff60$@com> Message-ID: <4EBC2261.3090609@techno-chat.net> Ok all. It's working now. I guess the servers were busy. It is now downloading as I speak. I just went back and went into Software Update again and the update showed up. Very nice! On 10/11/2011 19:04, Bubba wrote: > Hi, if you go to settings and general and software updates this will get you > where you need to be. Now I think you need to be on Wi-Fi for this! > > > Sign, > Bubba > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Terry Clasper > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:58 PM > To: 'Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility' > Subject: RE: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out > > And how do you do this from the 4S without the pc? > Thanks! > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Marcy Weinberg > Sent: 10 November 2011 18:57 > To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility > Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out > > The latest update, IOS 5.01, is now available. In the summary tab, the > dialogue may tell you your softwear is up to date, but press the update > button anyway, and you'll be informed of the new update. > From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 19:19:20 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:19:20 -0500 Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out In-Reply-To: <4EBC21F8.5020802@techno-chat.net> References: <8CAF0E44-1C8D-452E-9486-728BCBFD6559@gmail.com> <4ebc1ecb.47cbe30a.0941.fffffdb0SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <000201cc9fdb$a0055520$e00fff60$@com> <4EBC21F8.5020802@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <001001cc9fdd$a68c67b0$f3a53710$@com> Just wait and it will bring up a box saying download and install. Now doing this on the device I would think that you would have to be using Icloud for backup or it would not have aback up to put your device back to and it would do it as a new device I would think. Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of chris hallsworth Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:12 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out Ok all. I am in settings, general, software update, and the progress is halted. But it also says checking for update. What do I need to do now? My screen is currently unlocked. Of course we are all new to this software update feature so I am not expecting a response just like that. But if you can help that would be great. Thanks! P.S. I am on wifi on my iPhone 4. On 10/11/2011 19:04, Bubba wrote: > Hi, if you go to settings and general and software updates this will get you > where you need to be. Now I think you need to be on Wi-Fi for this! > > > Sign, > Bubba > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Terry Clasper > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:58 PM > To: 'Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility' > Subject: RE: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out > > And how do you do this from the 4S without the pc? > Thanks! > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Marcy Weinberg > Sent: 10 November 2011 18:57 > To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility > Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out > > The latest update, IOS 5.01, is now available. In the summary tab, the > dialogue may tell you your softwear is up to date, but press the update > button anyway, and you'll be informed of the new update. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 19:43:46 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 11:43:46 -0800 Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out In-Reply-To: <001001cc9fdd$a68c67b0$f3a53710$@com> References: <8CAF0E44-1C8D-452E-9486-728BCBFD6559@gmail.com> <4ebc1ecb.47cbe30a.0941.fffffdb0SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <000201cc9fdb$a0055520$e00fff60$@com> <4EBC21F8.5020802@techno-chat.net> <001001cc9fdd$a68c67b0$f3a53710$@com> Message-ID: <7FBF96E3-88FD-4518-8EAA-62515A61F691@gmail.com> Be forwarned that it will take about 10 to 20 minutes after the phone is rebooting. I would plug your phone in to power in case your phone is low on battery. Also I notice that vo tends to crash a lot with this update where you flick and don't hear anything the fix is to reset the spring board but I hate doing that even though it is quick. On Nov 10, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Bubba wrote: > Just wait and it will bring up a box saying download and install. Now doing > this on the device I would think that you would have to be using Icloud for > backup or it would not have aback up to put your device back to and it would > do it as a new device I would think. > > > Sign, > Bubba > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of chris hallsworth > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:12 PM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out > > Ok all. > I am in settings, general, software update, and the progress is halted. > But it also says checking for update. What do I need to do now? My > screen is currently unlocked. Of course we are all new to this software > update feature so I am not expecting a response just like that. But if > you can help that would be great. Thanks! P.S. I am on wifi on my iPhone 4. > > On 10/11/2011 19:04, Bubba wrote: >> Hi, if you go to settings and general and software updates this will get > you >> where you need to be. Now I think you need to be on Wi-Fi for this! >> >> >> Sign, >> Bubba >> bubbathegeek at gmail.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Terry Clasper >> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:58 PM >> To: 'Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility' >> Subject: RE: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out >> >> And how do you do this from the 4S without the pc? >> Thanks! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Marcy Weinberg >> Sent: 10 November 2011 18:57 >> To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility >> Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out >> >> The latest update, IOS 5.01, is now available. In the summary tab, the >> dialogue may tell you your softwear is up to date, but press the update >> button anyway, and you'll be informed of the new update. >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Thu Nov 10 19:46:06 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:46:06 +0000 Subject: Serious problem with Heytell, please try to duplicate Message-ID: <4EBC29FE.6070204@techno-chat.net> Hello all. Please can you try and duplicate the following. 1. Download, install and launch the Heytell app. 2. Try to add yourself when asked. 3. Double tap on the this is me button. The expected result is the main Heytell screen comes up. The actual result is absolutely nothing happens and instead remains on the screen where you add yourself. Since Hannah Day and myself cannot duplicate this on our iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4 respectively, I would like your help on this please. This is for Gary Price, who has an iPhone 4. We are all running iOS 5. If you can duplicate, please post any workarounds. This would be greatly appreciated. Gary Price tried to uninstall and reinstall the app, even deleted himself from the contacts, and still no go! Thank you very much. From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 20:08:10 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 15:08:10 -0500 Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out In-Reply-To: <7FBF96E3-88FD-4518-8EAA-62515A61F691@gmail.com> References: <8CAF0E44-1C8D-452E-9486-728BCBFD6559@gmail.com> <4ebc1ecb.47cbe30a.0941.fffffdb0SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <000201cc9fdb$a0055520$e00fff60$@com> <4EBC21F8.5020802@techno-chat.net> <001001cc9fdd$a68c67b0$f3a53710$@com> <7FBF96E3-88FD-4518-8EAA-62515A61F691@gmail.com> Message-ID: When I pressed the update button on my iphone, without having it plugged in first, I got a dialogue about plugging it in. I updated my ipod touch 4G from the touch itself, but no warning dialogue as I already knew to plug it in. Marcy On Nov 10, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: Be forwarned that it will take about 10 to 20 minutes after the phone is rebooting. I would plug your phone in to power in case your phone is low on battery. Also I notice that vo tends to crash a lot with this update where you flick and don't hear anything the fix is to reset the spring board but I hate doing that even though it is quick. On Nov 10, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Bubba wrote: > Just wait and it will bring up a box saying download and install. Now doing > this on the device I would think that you would have to be using Icloud for > backup or it would not have aback up to put your device back to and it would > do it as a new device I would think. > > > Sign, > Bubba > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of chris hallsworth > Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:12 PM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out > > Ok all. > I am in settings, general, software update, and the progress is halted. > But it also says checking for update. What do I need to do now? My > screen is currently unlocked. Of course we are all new to this software > update feature so I am not expecting a response just like that. But if > you can help that would be great. Thanks! P.S. I am on wifi on my iPhone 4. > > On 10/11/2011 19:04, Bubba wrote: >> Hi, if you go to settings and general and software updates this will get > you >> where you need to be. Now I think you need to be on Wi-Fi for this! >> >> >> Sign, >> Bubba >> bubbathegeek at gmail.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Terry Clasper >> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:58 PM >> To: 'Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility' >> Subject: RE: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out >> >> And how do you do this from the 4S without the pc? >> Thanks! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Marcy Weinberg >> Sent: 10 November 2011 18:57 >> To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility >> Subject: the new IOS update, 5.01, is out >> >> The latest update, IOS 5.01, is now available. In the summary tab, the >> dialogue may tell you your softwear is up to date, but press the update >> button anyway, and you'll be informed of the new update. >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: -- Marcy marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Thu Nov 10 21:42:47 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 21:42:47 +0000 Subject: Jukebox Message-ID: <4EBC4557.7070506@techno-chat.net> I heard this app on another list. How it works is you are given a snippet of a song randomly chosen from your iOS device's music library. You then have to correctly guess the artist and title in a short amount of time before it is too late. The app is fully accessible. Please find out more in the store since I do not know pricing or availability. Enjoy! From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Nov 10 21:54:49 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 13:54:49 -0800 Subject: Serious problem with Heytell, please try to duplicate In-Reply-To: <4EBC29FE.6070204@techno-chat.net> References: <4EBC29FE.6070204@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <60E53A99-F32F-46D3-88D4-6DC592C5A87A@gmail.com> I would contact support at heytell.com and let htem ow what's going on. I don't really feel like restoring my heyttell again as I'm still trying to do that lol! Take care. On Nov 10, 2011, at 11:46 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: > Hello all. > Please can you try and duplicate the following. > 1. Download, install and launch the Heytell app. > 2. Try to add yourself when asked. > 3. Double tap on the this is me button. > The expected result is the main Heytell screen comes up. The actual result is absolutely nothing happens and instead remains on the screen where you add yourself. > Since Hannah Day and myself cannot duplicate this on our iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4 respectively, I would like your help on this please. This is for Gary Price, who has an iPhone 4. We are all running iOS 5. > If you can duplicate, please post any workarounds. This would be greatly appreciated. Gary Price tried to uninstall and reinstall the app, even deleted himself from the contacts, and still no go! > Thank you very much. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Fri Nov 11 02:46:54 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 19:46:54 -0700 Subject: Differences between the iPad and the iPad 2? Message-ID: <20111111024654.desiandcandy@q.com> My sighted husband has been making noises about wanting an iPad. Other family members and I want to get him one for Christmas. He isn't particularly technologically inclined, but does have his own iMac and has used my iPod touch some. His main reason for wanting an iPad instead of an iPod Touch, is so that he can have access to a larger screen. I know he doesn't want to have to pay extra for a data plan right now. besides the price, what are the differences between the classic iPad and the iPad 2? I know this isn't list related, so if any of you can shed some light on this for me, I would be most appreciative if you would reply to me privately. Thanks so much! My e-mail address is: desiandcandy at q.com Desi From weavermicha at googlemail.com Fri Nov 11 04:02:24 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 04:02:24 +0000 Subject: latest update of ios Message-ID: <4ebc9c4b.2a54b40a.727a.ffff9ecd@mx.google.com> what is this business of the battery drain on ios for there to have been an update? i ask because i have the i-phone 4 and have not noticed any battery drain so was the problem only affecting the i-phone 3 and the 4 s? From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Nov 11 04:43:33 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:43:33 +1100 Subject: latest update of ios In-Reply-To: <4ebc9c4b.2a54b40a.727a.ffff9ecd@mx.google.com> References: <4ebc9c4b.2a54b40a.727a.ffff9ecd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: As I understood, the battery problem was only related to iPhone 4S phones however there are other issues and improvements in the update and a statement referring to these shows up when you select "Software Update" from the "General" settings on your IOS device. On 11/11/2011, at 3:02 PM, michael weaver wrote: > what is this business of the battery drain on ios for there to have been an update? > i ask because i have the i-phone 4 and have not noticed any battery drain so was the problem only affecting the i-phone 3 and the 4 s? > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From helianthe at mac-access.net Fri Nov 11 05:26:32 2011 From: helianthe at mac-access.net (Lyn & her faithful furry friends) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 06:26:32 +0100 Subject: mac loosing connection to the wifi network when coming out of sleep mode Message-ID: <29BB0559-6B51-4A58-A3FB-B43A84C700EB@mac-access.net> Hello listers, I am having strange problems with my mac here. Well, when I do not use my mac, I just put the led down and it goes to sleep. However, when I want to use my mac again, I am encountering strange problems. When my mac is out of sleep mode, I notice that the connection to my wifi network is lost. Obviously I reconnect to the network but even then I can't seem to be able to connect to the internet. the mail program does not retrieve mail and safari needs to be forced to quit every time. The only option I have is to restart my mac to get everything working again. Any ideas as to what is going on here and how to fix this weird issue? Thanks for any tips and feedback. Have a good one, Lyn, canelle & Epi ********** You can contact me in the following ways: email: helianthe at mac-access.net msn: lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com skype: micky-mac2010 facebook: www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 07:00:05 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 23:00:05 -0800 Subject: latest update of ios In-Reply-To: References: <4ebc9c4b.2a54b40a.727a.ffff9ecd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I notice that my battery has improved. I did a while cast with flipzu for about 3 and now going on 4 hours. Why did I do this I have no idea but before I was only able to go on for about 2. lol! and papaya seems a bit more stable although it has its issues. Over all the new ios update seems more snappy and more responsive. Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master.html for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Nov 10, 2011, at 8:43 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > As I understood, the battery problem was only related to iPhone 4S phones however there are other issues and improvements in the update and a statement referring to these shows up when you select "Software Update" from the "General" settings on your IOS device. > > > On 11/11/2011, at 3:02 PM, michael weaver wrote: > >> what is this business of the battery drain on ios for there to have been an update? >> i ask because i have the i-phone 4 and have not noticed any battery drain so was the problem only affecting the i-phone 3 and the 4 s? >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 08:20:11 2011 From: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com (Maria From Australia) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:20:11 +1100 Subject: latest update of ios In-Reply-To: References: <4ebc9c4b.2a54b40a.727a.ffff9ecd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <54480320-C6F1-48E5-A02C-DE16D98F4FDD@gmail.com> My iPhone 4 seems a lot more responsive but then I took everything out of the app switcher before I updated so that could have something to do with it Maria and my guide Karly email bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com Sent from my iPhone On 11/11/2011, at 3:43 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > As I understood, the battery problem was only related to iPhone 4S phones however there are other issues and improvements in the update and a statement referring to these shows up when you select "Software Update" from the "General" settings on your IOS device. > > > On 11/11/2011, at 3:02 PM, michael weaver wrote: > >> what is this business of the battery drain on ios for there to have been an update? >> i ask because i have the i-phone 4 and have not noticed any battery drain so was the problem only affecting the i-phone 3 and the 4 s? >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Fri Nov 11 10:00:45 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 21:00:45 +1100 Subject: latest update of ios In-Reply-To: <54480320-C6F1-48E5-A02C-DE16D98F4FDD@gmail.com> References: <4ebc9c4b.2a54b40a.727a.ffff9ecd@mx.google.com> <54480320-C6F1-48E5-A02C-DE16D98F4FDD@gmail.com> Message-ID: my i phone seems much more responsive also and its better with its battery life it seems to last way longer also my mums is better to vo is faster and the phone is not as sluggish as it was smiles On 11/11/2011, at 7:20 PM, Maria From Australia wrote: > My iPhone 4 seems a lot more responsive but then I took everything out of the app switcher before I updated so that could have something to do with it > > Maria and my guide Karly email bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 11/11/2011, at 3:43 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> As I understood, the battery problem was only related to iPhone 4S phones however there are other issues and improvements in the update and a statement referring to these shows up when you select "Software Update" from the "General" settings on your IOS device. >> >> >> On 11/11/2011, at 3:02 PM, michael weaver wrote: >> >>> what is this business of the battery drain on ios for there to have been an update? >>> i ask because i have the i-phone 4 and have not noticed any battery drain so was the problem only affecting the i-phone 3 and the 4 s? >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From terry.clasper at btinternet.com Fri Nov 11 09:56:32 2011 From: terry.clasper at btinternet.com (Terry Clasper) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 09:56:32 -0000 Subject: latest update of ios In-Reply-To: References: <4ebc9c4b.2a54b40a.727a.ffff9ecd@mx.google.com> <54480320-C6F1-48E5-A02C-DE16D98F4FDD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002e01cca058$3101a7a0$9304f6e0$@clasper@btinternet.com> Hi. Yep did the update directly from the 4S yesterday, process totally seemless and since then performance far better although I cant comment on the battery life as I've only had my 4S since yesterday. I'm totally amazed at the speed difference between the 4 and 4S, very very impressive. . -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of krystal watson Sent: 11 November 2011 10:01 To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: latest update of ios my i phone seems much more responsive also and its better with its battery life it seems to last way longer also my mums is better to vo is faster and the phone is not as sluggish as it was smiles On 11/11/2011, at 7:20 PM, Maria From Australia wrote: > My iPhone 4 seems a lot more responsive but then I took everything out of the app switcher before I updated so that could have something to do with it > > Maria and my guide Karly email bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 11/11/2011, at 3:43 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> As I understood, the battery problem was only related to iPhone 4S phones however there are other issues and improvements in the update and a statement referring to these shows up when you select "Software Update" from the "General" settings on your IOS device. >> >> >> On 11/11/2011, at 3:02 PM, michael weaver wrote: >> >>> what is this business of the battery drain on ios for there to have been an update? >>> i ask because i have the i-phone 4 and have not noticed any battery drain so was the problem only affecting the i-phone 3 and the 4 s? >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Fri Nov 11 12:03:09 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:03:09 +0000 Subject: Face Time Message-ID: <4EBD0EFD.7000204@techno-chat.net> I now have Face time set up on my iPod Touch. With my iPhone 4 all I had to do was to double tap a contact like myself and double tap the Face Time button and it rang! So if you want a chat, feel free to Face Time me, if such an expression exists, at challsworth2 at sky.com. You know, I love how it rings and how VoiceOver announces what camera you are using. From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Fri Nov 11 12:41:18 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 12:41:18 +0000 Subject: Hard rebooting an iOS device Message-ID: <4EBD17EE.3010708@techno-chat.net> Ok here is how you reboot an iOS device. 1. Press and hold the power and home buttons. 2. Ignore the prompt about slide to power off. Just hold them down and the device will reboot. What I did before now was to press and hold the home and power buttons. No. You must press and hold the power and home buttons in that order. So that's how you reboot an iOS device. Hope this helps. From matsudakoji at verizon.net Fri Nov 11 13:04:14 2011 From: matsudakoji at verizon.net (Koji Matsuda (Verizon)) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:04:14 -0500 Subject: Text editor In-Reply-To: <96187C6B-FD9A-469B-B8F6-3868D1D6BE44@mac.com> References: <002501cc9ef9$c5672ba0$503582e0$@net> <96187C6B-FD9A-469B-B8F6-3868D1D6BE44@mac.com> Message-ID: Wow, Ester, that was a very informative email. Thank you. I fell in love with iPhone about a year ago, and now I am thinking about getting a laptop of some kind made by Apple. I was curious about Pages and it was great to know that there are users out there to share. I was wondering whether to buy Pages for my iPhone, and your info wasn'tnecessarily for the iOS, but again it was very informative and I appreciate people like you who are willing to spend time explaining things in detail. Koji -------------------------------------------------- From: "Esther" Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 3:14 PM To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Subject: Re: Text editor > Hi Catherine, > > TextEdit does let you print results, and you can open Word documents that > are sent to you in this program. However, while it is easy to use, and > actually more powerful than you might initially think, it has some > shortcomings if you are looking for a word processing program to write > research papers with footnotes, for example. James Austin has done > periodic reviews of what's available in this regard. There are other good > accessible word processors -- a free program called Bean is one of them -- > which also fall short in this regard, although they have several nice > features. > > If you're talking about the most full-featured word-processors you > probably want to consider either Pages, which is Apple's iWork counterpart > to Microsoft Word, or Nisus Writer Pro, which is a third party program > that was recently revamped to version 2, and now is in a 2.1 release. > Both these programs can be separately purchased from the Mac App Store > (Pages for $19.99 and Nisus Writer Pro for $79.99). > > There are several people on list who can give you a more detailed > evaluation of these products, and Nisus Writer Pro, in particular, has > many enthusiastic users in its new incarnation. I'll point you to an post > I wrote back in June in reply to Lynne's query about whether the new > version was worth getting: > ? Re: Nisus Writer Pro; Query > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/2011-June/013619.html > > That post summarizes an extensive review of the product in TidBITS, and > excerpts key bits. The bottom line was that the writer considered it to > be an overall superior experience to using either Microsoft Word or Pages > for word processing, but he also made some very detailed comments about > topics like degree of compatibility with Word documents handed back and > forth between the two programs (mixed experience: both pluses and > minuses.) > > Anne is probably the most expert user of Pages on this list. The current > version is Pages '09, and is overdue for an upgrade. My guess is that this > has been running late because it is being written to take advantage of the > changes that have been made in both Mac OS X and iOS on devices like the > iPad. This is true for the entire iWork suite (with counterparts to Excel, > Word, and Powerpoint in Numbers, Pages, and Keynote). But this is > certainly another viable alternative. > > One of the shortcomings of the Mac App store is that it does not support > trial downloads -- developers can offer free lite versions of > applications, but they cannot offer a free application that later requires > you to pay an extra amount to keep it functional. So if you want to use a > trial download, you have to visit the developer's web site directly. > > You can download a 15-day free trial version of Nisus Writer Pro from: > http://www.nisus.com/pro/ > > Apple used to have a trial download page for the iWork suite at: > http://www.apple.com/iwork/download-trial/ > > I don't know whether that still works. Now all the apps are separately > purchasable at the Mac App Store. > > There was also a discussion about Nisus Writer Pro vs. Pages on this list > in July. You can read through the thread at the secondary Mail Archive > pages for this list: > ? Nisus Writer Pro 2.0 Versus Pages; [Revisited] > http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access at mac-access.net/msg00117.html > > To read down the thread, use the access key shortcut Control+n to navigate > to the next post in the thread and Control+p to go to the previous post in > the thread. These access key shortcuts work for all browsers on different > platforms if you substitute the appropriate access key (e.g., for Internet > Explorer use Alt+n and Alt+p; for Firefox I think it is Alt+Shift+n and > Alt+Shift+p). Since we have a new Mac VoiceOver user who is sighted, I > should mention that if you started Safari without VoiceOver running, then > the access key combination is Control+Option+n for next and > Control+Option+p for previous. But if you started Safari with VoiceOver > running it is just Control+n and Control+p. > > There is one other interesting new app for writing called Scrivener. > Rather than being focused on the generation of output, it's set up for the > use of people who write a lot, and want to easily access intermediate > tools like outlines and lists of ideas. Scrivener is also available from > the Mac App Store ($44.99) and is accessible with VoiceOver. They also > have a 30-free trial download of their product, but they are also running > a NaNoWriMo trial special. This abbreviation stands for "National Novel > Writing Month", which runs for the month of November. So they started a > special trial download that would run through till December 7, regardless > of when it was downloaded, and announced this at the end of October. At > this point, you would be better off getting the regular trial download of > Scrivener for the 30-day expiration, but there's another offer that is > described on the web page of the Scrivener NaNoWriMo trial page at: > http://www.literatureandlatte.com/nanowrimo.php > > If you purchase Scrivener directly from the developer's web page, you can > enter a coupon code of "NANOWRIMO" (without the quotation marks) to > receive a 20% discount on the $44.99 price. Also, if you actually become > a winner in the National Novel Writing Month competition, you are eligible > for a 50% discount on Scrivener. > > You can also read a review of Scrivener by a VoiceOver user at Austin > Seraphin's blog: > http://behindthecurtain.us/2011/09/07/scrivener/ > > As a final comment, for people who write technical papers with math and > equations, there is a word processing solution with LaTeX that is > completely accessible through an application called TeXShop, which is > freeware. It's very powerful, and has excellent multilingual support, but > a steep learning curve, so it won't be a solution for most people unless > they use it a lot. (When I tell you that TeX was originally designed to > get around the high price of mathematics books due to the costs associated > with typesetting equations you may understand -- TeX can be used to > produce publication quality books, and is used by some publishers, as well > as being a standard for advanced papers in some scientific and technical > fields.) While some people, like James Austin, find it worthwhile to > learn for writing large numbers of (non-mathematical) papers at > university, that's not the norm. > > HTH. Catherine, apologies for the late reply, but I lost the email that > you sent me directly yesterday when I was trying to respond, so thanks for > writing back on list. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > > On Nov 9, 2011, at 06:08, Catherine Golding wrote: > >> Is Text Editor a complete word processing program from which I can print? >> Do I need to buy IWorks or another document program? >> >> >> >> Catherine Golding >> >> Olympia, Washington >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From mattchao at verizon.net Fri Nov 11 13:10:23 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:10:23 -0500 Subject: Differences Between Default VO and Compact Message-ID: <0LUH00E7LZ9JWSS8@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Hi, Folks! On the iPhone 4, what's the difference between the default voice for VoiceOver and the Compact voice? Which is better and why? Thanks in advance. Matthew Chao From tsiegel at softcon.com Fri Nov 11 15:13:16 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:13:16 -0500 Subject: two questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've had no trouble with the audible web site. If you could give some specifics as to what your difficulties are, we might be able to offer some assistance. I have several audible items, and downloading them is simple enough, though it's not always obvious which one you're downloading. because of the misaligned table layout. Other than that though, I've had no issues. Searching and finding material is easy enough, though I've not purchased anything in quite a while, since my membership expired, and things are just too expensive w/o a membership. hth From n0oxy at charter.net Fri Nov 11 15:21:48 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:21:48 -0500 Subject: Differences Between Default VO and Compact Message-ID: 39a2d35b-2418-4d85-aa4e-60f96e5d1de6@samobile.net The default voice is higher quality, if that voice works for you, there's little reason to use the compact voice. Original message: > Hi, Folks! On the iPhone 4, what's the difference between the > default voice for VoiceOver and the Compact voice? Which is better > and why? Thanks in advance. > Matthew Chao > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access > forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From 1smartdog at cox.net Fri Nov 11 17:12:57 2011 From: 1smartdog at cox.net (1SmartDog@cox.net) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:12:57 -0600 Subject: Keystroke question Message-ID: <9B67F1FA51FC4B3CB1867F01DB51A0BF@karen796b6a58c> When in Finder, I find myself often on an item way to the right with the "close" button way to the left. Is there a quick keystroke to pop me right over to the close button? Thanks, Karen From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Fri Nov 11 17:55:06 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (michael maslo) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:55:06 -0600 Subject: Help needed if possible Message-ID: <9AF3F369-2C83-4065-B5F4-0ED6F497630B@swbell.net> Hi list: Was wondering if anyone could refer me to a place I can refer a developer to for accessibility tricks? Let me explain I was in contact with the developer of the Atlantis mud client who stated she wanted to make it accessible for voice over users but was having trouble with knowing how to do this. What I am trying to find out are places I can refer her to which may assist her in this endeavor. this is a real opportunity I feel to get a mud client which is fully accessible for voice over users. She seems to be very receptive towards any suggestions or help. thanks in advance Mike From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 18:00:03 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:00:03 -0800 Subject: Keystroke question In-Reply-To: <9B67F1FA51FC4B3CB1867F01DB51A0BF@karen796b6a58c> References: <9B67F1FA51FC4B3CB1867F01DB51A0BF@karen796b6a58c> Message-ID: YOu can hit vo shift home to get to the top of the window. and vo shift end to get to the bottom. since the clise button is usually, but not always at the top of the window vo shift home is what you might want. On Nov 11, 2011, at 9:12 AM, 1SmartDog at cox.net wrote: > When in Finder, I find myself often on an item way to the right with the "close" button way to the left. Is there a quick keystroke to pop me right over to the close button? > > Thanks, > Karen > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 18:01:09 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:01:09 -0800 Subject: Help needed if possible In-Reply-To: <9AF3F369-2C83-4065-B5F4-0ED6F497630B@swbell.net> References: <9AF3F369-2C83-4065-B5F4-0ED6F497630B@swbell.net> Message-ID: Try the apple support sight. There's documentation on how to make apps work wiht voice over or so I'm told.. I know someone gave the link to those docs a while back but can't remember now and I removed about 3 months worth of messages to clean out this folder. Take care. On Nov 11, 2011, at 9:55 AM, michael maslo wrote: > Hi list: > > Was wondering if anyone could refer me to a place I can refer a developer to for accessibility tricks? > > Let me explain > > I was in contact with the developer of the Atlantis mud client who stated she wanted to make it accessible for voice over users but was having trouble with knowing how to do this. > > What I am trying to find out are places I can refer her to which may assist her in this endeavor. this is a real opportunity I feel to get a mud client which is fully accessible for voice over users. > > She seems to be very receptive towards any suggestions or help. > > thanks in advance > > Mike > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Fri Nov 11 18:04:33 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 08:04:33 -1000 Subject: Keystroke question In-Reply-To: References: <9B67F1FA51FC4B3CB1867F01DB51A0BF@karen796b6a58c> Message-ID: Hi Karen, The quick way to close a window is simply to type the shortcut for closing windows, which is Command+W. No need to navigate to the close button and press it when you can do this in one step. Also, for an Apple Knowledge Base article giving Mac OS X keyboard shortcuts, look at: ? Mac OS X Keyboard Shortcuts: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1343 If you forget the location of this document, do a Google search for "Apple support keyboard shortcuts". HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 11, 2011, at 08:00, Sarah Alawami wrote: > YOu can hit vo shift home to get to the top of the window. and vo shift end to get to the bottom. since the clise button is usually, but not always at the top of the window vo shift home is what you might want. > On Nov 11, 2011, at 9:12 AM, 1SmartDog at cox.net wrote: > >> When in Finder, I find myself often on an item way to the right with the "close" button way to the left. Is there a quick keystroke to pop me right over to the close button? >> >> Thanks, >> Karen From mattchao at verizon.net Fri Nov 11 18:19:36 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:19:36 -0500 Subject: Differences Between Default VO and Compact In-Reply-To: 39a2d35b-2418-4d85-aa4e-60f96e5d1de6@samobile.net References: <39a2d35b-2418-4d85-aa4e-60f96e5d1de6@samobile.net> Message-ID: <0LUI00GXODKYWNR1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Default voice certainly works for me. Matthew Chao At 10:21 AM 11/11/2011, you wrote: >The default voice is higher quality, if that voice works for you, >there's little reason to use the compact voice. >Original message: >>Hi, Folks! On the iPhone 4, what's the difference between the >>default voice for VoiceOver and the Compact voice? Which is better >>and why? Thanks in advance. > >>Matthew Chao > > >><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >>To reply to this post, please address your message to >>mac-access at mac-access.net > >>You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >>or at the public Mail Archive: >>. >>Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> > >>The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>virus and worm-free! > >>Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>visiting the list website at: >> > >-- >Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >or at the public Mail Archive: >. >Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 18:34:11 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:34:11 -0800 Subject: Differences Between Default VO and Compact In-Reply-To: <0LUI00GXODKYWNR1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> References: <39a2d35b-2418-4d85-aa4e-60f96e5d1de6@samobile.net> <0LUI00GXODKYWNR1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <79807065-2FFD-4FE8-8737-7370CAE7D77A@gmail.com> I use the compact voice as it to me sounds a lot better and it is less resource intensive. I run a lot of processes so for me the compact works. it's the same on my iphone as well. I run the compact voice for that as well. On Nov 11, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: > Default voice certainly works for me. > > Matthew Chao > > At 10:21 AM 11/11/2011, you wrote: >> The default voice is higher quality, if that voice works for you, there's little reason to use the compact voice. >> Original message: >>> Hi, Folks! On the iPhone 4, what's the difference between the >>> default voice for VoiceOver and the Compact voice? Which is better >>> and why? Thanks in advance. >> >>> Matthew Chao >> >> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 18:34:56 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:34:56 -0800 Subject: Keystroke question In-Reply-To: References: <9B67F1FA51FC4B3CB1867F01DB51A0BF@karen796b6a58c> Message-ID: <83BCBBB2-443D-44E3-8147-A805F021C312@gmail.com> Oops? Forgot about that keystroke even though I use it. I use some apps wherein cmd w does not work and you must navagate to the close button and press it. Take care. On Nov 11, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Esther wrote: > Hi Karen, > > The quick way to close a window is simply to type the shortcut for closing windows, which is Command+W. No need to navigate to the close button and press it when you can do this in one step. Also, for an Apple Knowledge Base article giving Mac OS X keyboard shortcuts, look at: > ? Mac OS X Keyboard Shortcuts: > http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1343 > > If you forget the location of this document, do a Google search for "Apple support keyboard shortcuts". > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Nov 11, 2011, at 08:00, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> YOu can hit vo shift home to get to the top of the window. and vo shift end to get to the bottom. since the clise button is usually, but not always at the top of the window vo shift home is what you might want. >> On Nov 11, 2011, at 9:12 AM, 1SmartDog at cox.net wrote: >> >>> When in Finder, I find myself often on an item way to the right with the "close" button way to the left. Is there a quick keystroke to pop me right over to the close button? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Karen > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Fri Nov 11 18:51:04 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:51:04 -0500 Subject: Keystroke question Message-ID: 93a2c558-80c3-49b9-8d8b-8e131e3de4a9@samobile.net Try something like control option command home, that moves you to the top most item in a window, alternatively, if your goal is to close the window, command w will do the trick. Original message: > When in Finder, I find myself often on an item way to the right with > the "close" button way to the left. Is there a quick keystroke to pop > me right over to the close button? > Thanks, > Karen > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access > forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 19:07:21 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:07:21 -0500 Subject: Differences between the ipad and the ipad 2? Message-ID: <018701cca0a5$24ac2050$6e0460f0$@gmail.com> It has two camera as the ipad1 don't have any, it has a faster processer and more ram and it has that sentive touch screen that theipad1 don't have I forget what the techno name they call it. This is where GB app will work on the Ipad2 but not on the Ipad1 . These is the main difference as well as the Ipad2 is thinner and lighter. HTH Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Desi Noller Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 9:47 PM To: mac-access at mac-access.net Subject: Differences between the iPad and the iPad 2? My sighted husband has been making noises about wanting an iPad. Other family members and I want to get him one for Christmas. He isn't particularly technologically inclined, but does have his own iMac and has used my iPod touch some. His main reason for wanting an iPad instead of an iPod Touch, is so that he can have access to a larger screen. I know he doesn't want to have to pay extra for a data plan right now. besides the price, what are the differences between the classic iPad and the iPad 2? I know this isn't list related, so if any of you can shed some light on this for me, I would be most appreciative if you would reply to me privately. Thanks so much! My e-mail address is: desiandcandy at q.com Desi <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Fri Nov 11 19:56:20 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 19:56:20 +0000 Subject: Skype Message-ID: <4EBD7DE4.9010400@techno-chat.net> Ok all, I have some exciting news for Skype users according to an update from Blind Tech Support on Facebook, which you can find out more at www.blindtechsupport.net. They are saying that after Talks with Skype, the next update may have accessibility fixes. Will watch here and on other lists for updates. From mattchao at verizon.net Fri Nov 11 20:00:58 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:00:58 -0500 Subject: Differences Between Default VO and Compact In-Reply-To: <79807065-2FFD-4FE8-8737-7370CAE7D77A@gmail.com> References: <39a2d35b-2418-4d85-aa4e-60f96e5d1de6@samobile.net> <0LUI00GXODKYWNR1@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> <79807065-2FFD-4FE8-8737-7370CAE7D77A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0LUI00K2EI9VBM50@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Oh, didn't know that about the compact voice. How do I change to that? Matthew Chao At 01:34 PM 11/11/2011, you wrote: >I use the compact voice as it to me sounds a lot better and it is >less resource intensive. I run a lot of processes so for me the >compact works. it's the same on my iphone as well. I run the >compact voice for that as well. >On Nov 11, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Matthew Chao wrote: > > > Default voice certainly works for me. > > > > Matthew Chao > > > > At 10:21 AM 11/11/2011, you wrote: > >> The default voice is higher quality, if that voice works for > you, there's little reason to use the compact voice. > >> Original message: > >>> Hi, Folks! On the iPhone 4, what's the difference between the > >>> default voice for VoiceOver and the Compact voice? Which is better > >>> and why? Thanks in advance. > >> > >>> Matthew Chao > >> > >> > >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >> > >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > >> > >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >>> > >>> or at the public Mail Archive: > >>> . > >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > >>> > >> > >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >> > >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically > by visiting the list website at: > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile > Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > >> > >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >> > >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > >> > >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >> > >> or at the public Mail Archive: > >> . > >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > >> > >> > >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >> > >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically > by visiting the list website at: > >> > > > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the > Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > > > or at the public Mail Archive: > > . > > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, > Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > > > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >or at the public Mail Archive: >. >Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > From mmaslo1964 at swbell.net Fri Nov 11 20:23:10 2011 From: mmaslo1964 at swbell.net (Mike Maslo) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 14:23:10 -0600 Subject: Help needed if possible In-Reply-To: References: <9AF3F369-2C83-4065-B5F4-0ED6F497630B@swbell.net> Message-ID: <4B5F6326-2FA4-474D-BA7B-A9DFF239ACA6@swbell.net> Thanks will refer them If anyone else has links or ideas I would appreciate it. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Try the apple support sight. There's documentation on how to make apps work wiht voice over or so I'm told.. I know someone gave the link to those docs a while back but can't remember now and I removed about 3 months worth of messages to clean out this folder. > > Take care. > On Nov 11, 2011, at 9:55 AM, michael maslo wrote: > >> Hi list: >> >> Was wondering if anyone could refer me to a place I can refer a developer to for accessibility tricks? >> >> Let me explain >> >> I was in contact with the developer of the Atlantis mud client who stated she wanted to make it accessible for voice over users but was having trouble with knowing how to do this. >> >> What I am trying to find out are places I can refer her to which may assist her in this endeavor. this is a real opportunity I feel to get a mud client which is fully accessible for voice over users. >> >> She seems to be very receptive towards any suggestions or help. >> >> thanks in advance >> >> Mike >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Fri Nov 11 20:50:28 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:50:28 -1000 Subject: Developer's resources for iOS Accessibility [was Re: Help needed if possible] In-Reply-To: <4B5F6326-2FA4-474D-BA7B-A9DFF239ACA6@swbell.net> References: <9AF3F369-2C83-4065-B5F4-0ED6F497630B@swbell.net> <4B5F6326-2FA4-474D-BA7B-A9DFF239ACA6@swbell.net> Message-ID: <6521B7A8-95DC-4171-AD95-B7A3841D6250@mac.com> Hi Mike, You can point developers to the "Information for App Developers" page link at AppleVis: http://www.applevis.com/information-app-developers I'll just mention a few of the resources linked there. There's a very good blog article by Matt Legend Gemmell: http://mattgemmell.com/accessibility-for-iphone-and-ipad-apps In this blog post, he describes how easy it is in most cases to ensure accessibility using the standard developer tools. It's worth a read even for list members. There's also the iPhone Blind Wiki: http://blind.wikia.com/wiki/IPhone The section "For developers" gives specific links to the appropriate documents. I also posted to this list back in January about the Stanford University iTunes U podcast series titled "Developing Apps for iOS" with the screencast that was released on December 8, 2010. The name of the episode is "18. Accessibility on iOS: Make an App for Everyone", and here's the URL: http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/18-accessibility-on-ios-make/id395631522?i=89601580 The podcast series was about the details of writing iOS apps. This particular episode featured Chris Fleizach describing, with step by step examples using the developer's toolkit, how to add accessibility features to an example iOS app. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 11, 2011, at 10:23, Mike Maslo wrote: > Thanks will refer them > > If anyone else has links or ideas I would appreciate it. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 11, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Try the apple support sight. There's documentation on how to make apps work wiht voice over or so I'm told.. I know someone gave the link to those docs a while back but can't remember now and I removed about 3 months worth of messages to clean out this folder. >> >> Take care. >> On Nov 11, 2011, at 9:55 AM, michael maslo wrote: >> >>> Hi list: >>> >>> Was wondering if anyone could refer me to a place I can refer a developer to for accessibility tricks? >>> >>> Let me explain >>> >>> I was in contact with the developer of the Atlantis mud client who stated she wanted to make it accessible for voice over users but was having trouble with knowing how to do this. >>> >>> What I am trying to find out are places I can refer her to which may assist her in this endeavor. this is a real opportunity I feel to get a mud client which is fully accessible for voice over users. >>> >>> She seems to be very receptive towards any suggestions or help. >>> >>> thanks in advance >>> >>> Mike From moriond at mac.com Fri Nov 11 21:06:26 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:06:26 -1000 Subject: Text editor In-Reply-To: References: <002501cc9ef9$c5672ba0$503582e0$@net> <96187C6B-FD9A-469B-B8F6-3868D1D6BE44@mac.com> Message-ID: <7D356504-ADCD-43EF-8BF3-B1CBD077603F@mac.com> Hello Koji, I haven't tried Pages on the iPhone, and I think the experience of using word processors on iOS devices may still lag behind the desktop experience. However, I'll point out one thing that may be of interest to iOS device users about Pages on the Mac, and also Scrivener. Both these apps allow you to export documents into ePub format, which you could then transfer to iBooks and read on your iOS devices. As far as I know, there are no comparable Windows applications (designed for regular users rather than publishers) that have this capability. This is not a feature of the iOS version of Pages -- only in the Mac OS X version. While it is possible to use Stanza desktop (in either the Mac or Windows versions) to convert between different document and eBook formats and generate ePub files, this process is probably less robust than directly producing ePub files from text in Pages or Scrivener. I should also probably have added that Office for the Mac is not accessible at all. Some people can use the Windows version of Office if they put Bootcamp on the Mac and run Windows with an associated screen reader, or if they run a Windows virtual machine through VMWare fusion. But Office for the Mac was not written to comply with Apple's accessibility APIs, so it will not work with VoiceOver. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 11, 2011, at 03:04, Koji Matsuda (Verizon) wrote: > Wow, Ester, > that was a very informative email. Thank you. I fell in love with iPhone about a year ago, and now I am thinking about getting a laptop of some kind made by Apple. I was curious about Pages and it was great to know that there are users out there to share. I was wondering whether to buy Pages for my iPhone, and your info wasn'tnecessarily for the iOS, but again it was very informative and I appreciate people like you who are willing to spend time explaining things in detail. > > Koji > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Esther" > Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 3:14 PM > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Subject: Re: Text editor > >> Hi Catherine, >> >> TextEdit does let you print results, and you can open Word documents that are sent to you in this program. However, while it is easy to use, and actually more powerful than you might initially think, it has some shortcomings if you are looking for a word processing program to write research papers with footnotes, for example. James Austin has done periodic reviews of what's available in this regard. There are other good accessible word processors -- a free program called Bean is one of them -- which also fall short in this regard, although they have several nice features. >> >> If you're talking about the most full-featured word-processors you probably want to consider either Pages, which is Apple's iWork counterpart to Microsoft Word, or Nisus Writer Pro, which is a third party program that was recently revamped to version 2, and now is in a 2.1 release. Both these programs can be separately purchased from the Mac App Store (Pages for $19.99 and Nisus Writer Pro for $79.99). >> >> There are several people on list who can give you a more detailed evaluation of these products, and Nisus Writer Pro, in particular, has many enthusiastic users in its new incarnation. I'll point you to an post I wrote back in June in reply to Lynne's query about whether the new version was worth getting: >> ? Re: Nisus Writer Pro; Query >> http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/2011-June/013619.html >> >> That post summarizes an extensive review of the product in TidBITS, and excerpts key bits. The bottom line was that the writer considered it to be an overall superior experience to using either Microsoft Word or Pages for word processing, but he also made some very detailed comments about topics like degree of compatibility with Word documents handed back and forth between the two programs (mixed experience: both pluses and minuses.) >> >> Anne is probably the most expert user of Pages on this list. The current version is Pages '09, and is overdue for an upgrade. My guess is that this has been running late because it is being written to take advantage of the changes that have been made in both Mac OS X and iOS on devices like the iPad. This is true for the entire iWork suite (with counterparts to Excel, Word, and Powerpoint in Numbers, Pages, and Keynote). But this is certainly another viable alternative. >> >> One of the shortcomings of the Mac App store is that it does not support trial downloads -- developers can offer free lite versions of applications, but they cannot offer a free application that later requires you to pay an extra amount to keep it functional. So if you want to use a trial download, you have to visit the developer's web site directly. >> >> You can download a 15-day free trial version of Nisus Writer Pro from: >> http://www.nisus.com/pro/ >> >> Apple used to have a trial download page for the iWork suite at: >> http://www.apple.com/iwork/download-trial/ >> >> I don't know whether that still works. Now all the apps are separately purchasable at the Mac App Store. >> >> There was also a discussion about Nisus Writer Pro vs. Pages on this list in July. You can read through the thread at the secondary Mail Archive pages for this list: >> ? Nisus Writer Pro 2.0 Versus Pages; [Revisited] >> http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access at mac-access.net/msg00117.html >> >> To read down the thread, use the access key shortcut Control+n to navigate to the next post in the thread and Control+p to go to the previous post in the thread. These access key shortcuts work for all browsers on different platforms if you substitute the appropriate access key (e.g., for Internet Explorer use Alt+n and Alt+p; for Firefox I think it is Alt+Shift+n and Alt+Shift+p). Since we have a new Mac VoiceOver user who is sighted, I should mention that if you started Safari without VoiceOver running, then the access key combination is Control+Option+n for next and Control+Option+p for previous. But if you started Safari with VoiceOver running it is just Control+n and Control+p. >> >> There is one other interesting new app for writing called Scrivener. Rather than being focused on the generation of output, it's set up for the use of people who write a lot, and want to easily access intermediate tools like outlines and lists of ideas. Scrivener is also available from the Mac App Store ($44.99) and is accessible with VoiceOver. They also have a 30-free trial download of their product, but they are also running a NaNoWriMo trial special. This abbreviation stands for "National Novel Writing Month", which runs for the month of November. So they started a special trial download that would run through till December 7, regardless of when it was downloaded, and announced this at the end of October. At this point, you would be better off getting the regular trial download of Scrivener for the 30-day expiration, but there's another offer that is described on the web page of the Scrivener NaNoWriMo trial page at: >> http://www.literatureandlatte.com/nanowrimo.php >> >> If you purchase Scrivener directly from the developer's web page, you can enter a coupon code of "NANOWRIMO" (without the quotation marks) to receive a 20% discount on the $44.99 price. Also, if you actually become a winner in the National Novel Writing Month competition, you are eligible for a 50% discount on Scrivener. >> >> You can also read a review of Scrivener by a VoiceOver user at Austin Seraphin's blog: >> http://behindthecurtain.us/2011/09/07/scrivener/ >> >> As a final comment, for people who write technical papers with math and equations, there is a word processing solution with LaTeX that is completely accessible through an application called TeXShop, which is freeware. It's very powerful, and has excellent multilingual support, but a steep learning curve, so it won't be a solution for most people unless they use it a lot. (When I tell you that TeX was originally designed to get around the high price of mathematics books due to the costs associated with typesetting equations you may understand -- TeX can be used to produce publication quality books, and is used by some publishers, as well as being a standard for advanced papers in some scientific and technical fields.) While some people, like James Austin, find it worthwhile to learn for writing large numbers of (non-mathematical) papers at university, that's not the norm. >> >> HTH. Catherine, apologies for the late reply, but I lost the email that you sent me directly yesterday when I was trying to respond, so thanks for writing back on list. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> >> On Nov 9, 2011, at 06:08, Catherine Golding wrote: >> >>> Is Text Editor a complete word processing program from which I can print? >>> Do I need to buy IWorks or another document program? >>> >>> >>> >>> Catherine Golding >>> >>> Olympia, Washington >>> From moriond at mac.com Fri Nov 11 21:11:25 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 11:11:25 -1000 Subject: mac loosing connection to the wifi network when coming out of sleep mode In-Reply-To: <29BB0559-6B51-4A58-A3FB-B43A84C700EB@mac-access.net> References: <29BB0559-6B51-4A58-A3FB-B43A84C700EB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Lyn, I can't suggest a fix, but I'll just ask if you use Wi-Fi and connect to different Wi-Fi sites without changing your location profile. What I've noticed is that if I changed my internet connection type several times, either by going between ethernet and Wi-Fi, or switching different Wi-Fi locations, without changing location profile, that the behavior you outline may occur if I've used my Mac laptop for some time without shutting down. (And incidentally, I've only seen this behavior with my 2010 MacBook Pro, and with a 2010 MacBook Air that I set up for someone else -- it never happened on my 2008 MacBook.) What is even odder, is that if I am using terminal I can connect out of my laptop with ssh. I just can't connect through Safari, and if Safari doesn't connect, my mail won't update. (I don't have to force quit Safari -- a simple quit will do, but I do have to reboot to get the network connection working again.) This doesn't seem to happen if I don't change my Wi-Fi source, or if I create a separate location profile for each different Wi-Fi connection and change location profiles. Maybe someone else on list can comment on a possible solution. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 10, 2011, at 19:26, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: > Hello listers, > > I am having strange problems with my mac here. Well, when I do not use my mac, I just put the led down and it goes to sleep. However, when I want to use my mac again, I am encountering strange problems. When my mac is out of sleep mode, I notice that the connection to my wifi network is lost. Obviously I reconnect to the network but even then I can't seem to be able to connect to the internet. the mail program does not retrieve mail and safari needs to be forced to quit every time. The only option I have is to restart my mac to get everything working again. Any ideas as to what is going on here and how to fix this weird issue? > > Thanks for any tips and feedback. > > Have a good one, > > Lyn, canelle & Epi > > ********** > You can contact me in the following ways: > email: > helianthe at mac-access.net > msn: > lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com > skype: > micky-mac2010 > facebook: > www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 > Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. > From cfgolding at comcast.net Fri Nov 11 21:20:23 2011 From: cfgolding at comcast.net (Catherine Golding) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 13:20:23 -0800 Subject: Word processing for IPad Message-ID: <002001cca0b7$b9a8f9a0$2cfaece0$@net> If anyone is using Pages on the IPad and finding it not to be reauly accessible, try IA Writer. Works really well. Catherine Golding Olympia, Washington From khwicca at gmail.com Fri Nov 11 21:26:26 2011 From: khwicca at gmail.com (Kristeen hughes) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:26:26 -0500 Subject: mac loosing connection to the wifi network when coming out of sleep mode In-Reply-To: References: <29BB0559-6B51-4A58-A3FB-B43A84C700EB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <24CDE591-746E-46BB-8EB5-9F1642412E14@gmail.com> I have a similar issue. Could someone explain to me what you mean by changing your network profile? I have seen this in system settings, but I don't understand it. On Nov 11, 2011, at 4:11 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Lyn, > > I can't suggest a fix, but I'll just ask if you use Wi-Fi and connect to different Wi-Fi sites without changing your location profile. What I've noticed is that if I changed my internet connection type several times, either by going between ethernet and Wi-Fi, or switching different Wi-Fi locations, without changing location profile, that the behavior you outline may occur if I've used my Mac laptop for some time without shutting down. (And incidentally, I've only seen this behavior with my 2010 MacBook Pro, and with a 2010 MacBook Air that I set up for someone else -- it never happened on my 2008 MacBook.) What is even odder, is that if I am using terminal I can connect out of my laptop with ssh. I just can't connect through Safari, and if Safari doesn't connect, my mail won't update. (I don't have to force quit Safari -- a simple quit will do, but I do have to reboot to get the network connection working again.) > > This doesn't seem to happen if I don't change my Wi-Fi source, or if I create a separate location profile for each different Wi-Fi connection and change location profiles. > > Maybe someone else on list can comment on a possible solution. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > > On Nov 10, 2011, at 19:26, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: > >> Hello listers, >> >> I am having strange problems with my mac here. Well, when I do not use my mac, I just put the led down and it goes to sleep. However, when I want to use my mac again, I am encountering strange problems. When my mac is out of sleep mode, I notice that the connection to my wifi network is lost. Obviously I reconnect to the network but even then I can't seem to be able to connect to the internet. the mail program does not retrieve mail and safari needs to be forced to quit every time. The only option I have is to restart my mac to get everything working again. Any ideas as to what is going on here and how to fix this weird issue? >> >> Thanks for any tips and feedback. >> >> Have a good one, >> >> Lyn, canelle & Epi >> >> ********** >> You can contact me in the following ways: >> email: >> helianthe at mac-access.net >> msn: >> lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com >> skype: >> micky-mac2010 >> facebook: >> www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 >> Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Sat Nov 12 01:11:59 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:11:59 +1100 Subject: article: Dictabulus Showcases Clever Use of Speech to Text Through iPhone 4S Siri Message-ID: <91F33166-3413-4453-A4CB-5C67604502B3@internode.on.net> I just wonder what will be happening next, can't keep up with technology From tsiegel at softcon.com Sat Nov 12 01:37:56 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:37:56 -0500 Subject: Keystroke question In-Reply-To: <9B67F1FA51FC4B3CB1867F01DB51A0BF@karen796b6a58c> References: <9B67F1FA51FC4B3CB1867F01DB51A0BF@karen796b6a58c> Message-ID: In most cases, simply pressing command-w will close the window in question, no need to go find the close button. hth. From lyewchan at telus.net Sat Nov 12 01:50:33 2011 From: lyewchan at telus.net (Lovette Yewchan) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:50:33 -0800 Subject: more questions In-Reply-To: References: <9B67F1FA51FC4B3CB1867F01DB51A0BF@karen796b6a58c> Message-ID: I there. I seem to be doing something in my mail to rearrange things. FIrst I have multiple mailboxes and my junk mailbox seems to be gone. I use to be able to hit command 1 and it would go to my inbox. Now it goes to my sent folder or mailbox whatever they are called not sure. How do I get it back as before? I'm also not sure how to read attachements ent to me in word? It shows on the screen but I cannot hear what is on the screen. Thanks. Lovette On 2011-11-11, at 5:37 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > In most cases, simply pressing command-w will close the window in question, no need to go find the close button. > hth. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 04:06:11 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:06:11 -0500 Subject: Changing AppleID while migrating from a 3GS to a 4S. Message-ID: <4D332602CF404A17BD91F7894DBE96B3@DD952WB1> Greetings all, My Mother has a 3GS running IOS 4.3.5 and just received her 4S, and keeping in mind that she is one of the least tech sabby people I know, I'm trying to make the migration process as painless as humanly possible, and save as many steps as possible for when I can tend to them in person. Actually this will benefit me as well because if I dared admonish her to press any key she really is one of those people who will hunt and peck around for that specific item!!! Another complication is that since she can no longer receive email at the address linked to her Apple ID I want to switch that without screwing up her access to the apps she previously purchased. Her machine is vista, but I doubt this will affect the order of events that will need to take place? My goal is to take the absolute minimum of steps, so as not to want to kill her from 1000 miles away. I had her install the latest version of iTunes, and back up her 3GS. Now, would it be necessary for her to change her Apple ID, or can this wait? I realize that she won't receive receipts from the app store, but my real concern is that there does not seem to be a way to change this on the phone once its set. If the change would take affect later painlessly I'd rather not have her worry about that now. Same goes for iCloud and upgrading the firmware on her 3GS. I wonder if I could just have her attach her 4S via usb and restore from her older firmware 3GS backup so as to recover her old environment and save iCloud and AppleID migration for later? TIA for any/all suggestions and best regards. Geoff From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 04:22:51 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:22:51 -0500 Subject: Changing Apple ID while migrating from a 3GS to a 4S. Message-ID: <001201cca0f2$bf1c1440$3d543cc0$@gmail.com> Hi, if you go to iTunes on the computer and under your or in this case her account you can change your apple ID and password as well as other things and this should not make any difference as you are not creating a new one but modifying the old ones. But to be sure I would call or write Apple support. I sure they would be willing to help. HTH Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Geoff Waaler Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:06 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Changing AppleID while migrating from a 3GS to a 4S. Greetings all, My Mother has a 3GS running IOS 4.3.5 and just received her 4S, and keeping in mind that she is one of the least tech sabby people I know, I'm trying to make the migration process as painless as humanly possible, and save as many steps as possible for when I can tend to them in person. Actually this will benefit me as well because if I dared admonish her to press any key she really is one of those people who will hunt and peck around for that specific item!!! Another complication is that since she can no longer receive email at the address linked to her Apple ID I want to switch that without screwing up her access to the apps she previously purchased. Her machine is vista, but I doubt this will affect the order of events that will need to take place? My goal is to take the absolute minimum of steps, so as not to want to kill her from 1000 miles away. I had her install the latest version of iTunes, and back up her 3GS. Now, would it be necessary for her to change her Apple ID, or can this wait? I realize that she won't receive receipts from the app store, but my real concern is that there does not seem to be a way to change this on the phone once its set. If the change would take affect later painlessly I'd rather not have her worry about that now. Same goes for iCloud and upgrading the firmware on her 3GS. I wonder if I could just have her attach her 4S via usb and restore from her older firmware 3GS backup so as to recover her old environment and save iCloud and AppleID migration for later? TIA for any/all suggestions and best regards. Geoff <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From cfgolding at comcast.net Sat Nov 12 04:51:50 2011 From: cfgolding at comcast.net (Catherine Golding) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 20:51:50 -0800 Subject: Lost my Apple ID Message-ID: <001a01cca0f6$cce991c0$66bcb540$@net> My newness to the Mac caused me to screw up my Apple ID which I had from my IPhone (assuming I can use that one). How do I reset it or get a new one? Catherine Golding Olympia, Washington From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 04:56:03 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:56:03 -0500 Subject: Changing Apple ID while migrating from a 3GS to a 4S. References: <001201cca0f2$bf1c1440$3d543cc0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, I just took a gander at the dialog and think I could get her through it remotely. Trouble is that it might take a half hour at least to get her to select the store menu and correct option. Still wonder if I can have her do the setup and then simply restore from her older firmware 3GS in order to recover her contacts and apps. Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bubba" To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:22 PM Subject: RE: Changing Apple ID while migrating from a 3GS to a 4S. > Hi, if you go to iTunes on the computer and under your or in this case her > account you can change your apple ID and password as well as other things > and this should not make any difference as you are not creating a new one > but modifying the old ones. But to be sure I would call or write Apple > support. I sure they would be willing to help. HTH > > > Bubba > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Geoff Waaler > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:06 PM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Changing AppleID while migrating from a 3GS to a 4S. > > Greetings all, > > My Mother has a 3GS running IOS 4.3.5 and just received her 4S, and > keeping > in mind that she is one of the least tech sabby people I know, I'm trying > to > make the migration process as painless as humanly possible, and save as > many > steps as possible for when I can tend to them in person. Actually this > will > benefit me as well because if I dared admonish her to press any key she > really is one of those people who will hunt and peck around for that > specific item!!! > > Another complication is that since she can no longer receive email at the > address linked to her Apple ID I want to switch that without screwing up > her > access to the apps she previously purchased. > > Her machine is vista, but I doubt this will affect the order of events > that > will need to take place? My goal is to take the absolute minimum of > steps, > so as not to want to kill her from 1000 miles away. I had her install the > latest version of iTunes, and back up her 3GS. Now, would it be necessary > for her to change her Apple ID, or can this wait? I realize that she > won't > receive receipts from the app store, but my real concern is that there > does > not seem to be a way to change this on the phone once its set. If the > change would take affect later painlessly I'd rather not have her worry > about that now. Same goes for iCloud and upgrading the firmware on her > 3GS. > I wonder if I could just have her attach her 4S via usb and restore from > her > older firmware 3GS backup so as to recover her old environment and save > iCloud and AppleID migration for later? > > TIA for any/all suggestions and best regards. > Geoff > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 05:23:38 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:23:38 -0500 Subject: Changing Apple ID while migrating from a 3GS to a 4S. In-Reply-To: References: <001201cca0f2$bf1c1440$3d543cc0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601cca0fb$3ce444d0$b6acce70$@gmail.com> Hi, to get her old apps they can be just redownload I would think as all of them would be under the new user ID and password you made when you modified your original. But to be sure I think Apple is best to answer this. Also why not just do it for her it don't matter what computer you do it from. All you need is some info from her. HTH Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Geoff Waaler Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:56 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Changing Apple ID while migrating from a 3GS to a 4S. Thanks, I just took a gander at the dialog and think I could get her through it remotely. Trouble is that it might take a half hour at least to get her to select the store menu and correct option. Still wonder if I can have her do the setup and then simply restore from her older firmware 3GS in order to recover her contacts and apps. Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bubba" To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:22 PM Subject: RE: Changing Apple ID while migrating from a 3GS to a 4S. > Hi, if you go to iTunes on the computer and under your or in this case her > account you can change your apple ID and password as well as other things > and this should not make any difference as you are not creating a new one > but modifying the old ones. But to be sure I would call or write Apple > support. I sure they would be willing to help. HTH > > > Bubba > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Geoff Waaler > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:06 PM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Changing AppleID while migrating from a 3GS to a 4S. > > Greetings all, > > My Mother has a 3GS running IOS 4.3.5 and just received her 4S, and > keeping > in mind that she is one of the least tech sabby people I know, I'm trying > to > make the migration process as painless as humanly possible, and save as > many > steps as possible for when I can tend to them in person. Actually this > will > benefit me as well because if I dared admonish her to press any key she > really is one of those people who will hunt and peck around for that > specific item!!! > > Another complication is that since she can no longer receive email at the > address linked to her Apple ID I want to switch that without screwing up > her > access to the apps she previously purchased. > > Her machine is vista, but I doubt this will affect the order of events > that > will need to take place? My goal is to take the absolute minimum of > steps, > so as not to want to kill her from 1000 miles away. I had her install the > latest version of iTunes, and back up her 3GS. Now, would it be necessary > for her to change her Apple ID, or can this wait? I realize that she > won't > receive receipts from the app store, but my real concern is that there > does > not seem to be a way to change this on the phone once its set. If the > change would take affect later painlessly I'd rather not have her worry > about that now. Same goes for iCloud and upgrading the firmware on her > 3GS. > I wonder if I could just have her attach her 4S via usb and restore from > her > older firmware 3GS backup so as to recover her old environment and save > iCloud and AppleID migration for later? > > TIA for any/all suggestions and best regards. > Geoff > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 05:25:06 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:25:06 -0500 Subject: Lost my Apple ID In-Reply-To: <001a01cca0f6$cce991c0$66bcb540$@net> References: <001a01cca0f6$cce991c0$66bcb540$@net> Message-ID: <000701cca0fb$70c11800$52434800$@gmail.com> Hi, to modify or create a new Id this can be done in iTunes under your account. HTH Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Catherine Golding Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:52 PM To: mac-access at mac-access.net Subject: Lost my Apple ID My newness to the Mac caused me to screw up my Apple ID which I had from my IPhone (assuming I can use that one). How do I reset it or get a new one? Catherine Golding Olympia, Washington <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 05:30:37 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 00:30:37 -0500 Subject: Changing Apple ID while migrating from a 3GS to a 4S. References: <001201cca0f2$bf1c1440$3d543cc0$@gmail.com> <000601cca0fb$3ce444d0$b6acce70$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <23C8EAEA1EE641529F478C8EBF27F6D4@DD952WB1> Trouble is that this would not bring over her contacts or maintain her folder structure, and if I wasn't 1000 miles away as explained in my initial post I'd gladly do it for her!!! Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bubba" To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:23 AM Subject: RE: Changing Apple ID while migrating from a 3GS to a 4S. > Hi, to get her old apps they can be just redownload I would think as all > of > them would be under the new user ID and password you made when you > modified > your original. But to be sure I think Apple is best to answer this. Also > why > not just do it for her it don't matter what computer you do it from. All > you > need is some info from her. HTH > > > Bubba > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Geoff Waaler > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:56 PM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Changing Apple ID while migrating from a 3GS to a 4S. > > Thanks, I just took a gander at the dialog and think I could get her > through > it remotely. Trouble is that it might take a half hour at least to get > her > to select the store menu and correct option. > > Still wonder if I can have her do the setup and then simply restore from > her > older firmware 3GS in order to recover her contacts and apps. > > Best regards. > Geoff > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bubba" > To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" > Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:22 PM > Subject: RE: Changing Apple ID while migrating from a 3GS to a 4S. > > >> Hi, if you go to iTunes on the computer and under your or in this case >> her >> account you can change your apple ID and password as well as other things >> and this should not make any difference as you are not creating a new one >> but modifying the old ones. But to be sure I would call or write Apple >> support. I sure they would be willing to help. HTH >> >> >> Bubba >> bubbathegeek at gmail.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Geoff Waaler >> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 11:06 PM >> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Changing AppleID while migrating from a 3GS to a 4S. >> >> Greetings all, >> >> My Mother has a 3GS running IOS 4.3.5 and just received her 4S, and >> keeping >> in mind that she is one of the least tech sabby people I know, I'm trying >> to >> make the migration process as painless as humanly possible, and save as >> many >> steps as possible for when I can tend to them in person. Actually this >> will >> benefit me as well because if I dared admonish her to press any key she >> really is one of those people who will hunt and peck around for that >> specific item!!! >> >> Another complication is that since she can no longer receive email at the >> address linked to her Apple ID I want to switch that without screwing up >> her >> access to the apps she previously purchased. >> >> Her machine is vista, but I doubt this will affect the order of events >> that >> will need to take place? My goal is to take the absolute minimum of >> steps, >> so as not to want to kill her from 1000 miles away. I had her install >> the >> latest version of iTunes, and back up her 3GS. Now, would it be >> necessary >> for her to change her Apple ID, or can this wait? I realize that she >> won't >> receive receipts from the app store, but my real concern is that there >> does >> not seem to be a way to change this on the phone once its set. If the >> change would take affect later painlessly I'd rather not have her worry >> about that now. Same goes for iCloud and upgrading the firmware on her >> 3GS. >> I wonder if I could just have her attach her 4S via usb and restore from >> her >> older firmware 3GS backup so as to recover her old environment and save >> iCloud and AppleID migration for later? >> >> TIA for any/all suggestions and best regards. >> Geoff >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting >> the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting > >> the list website at: >> >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From kevinchao89 at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 05:40:07 2011 From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 23:40:07 -0600 Subject: Periodic Table of Elements: First Ever and Only VoiceOver Acccessible Message-ID: Excellent for professors, scientist, researchers, students, and anyone who is sighted, low vision, blind, etc. who needs the periodic table of elements. iOS (iPad, iPhone, and iPod Touch) VoiceOver accessible: EleMints 2 http://t.co/ptSvMZ8 Table, graph, and much more works beautifully with VoiceOver. Kevin From helianthe at mac-access.net Sat Nov 12 05:45:26 2011 From: helianthe at mac-access.net (Lyn & her faithful furry friends) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 06:45:26 +0100 Subject: mac loosing connection to the wifi network when coming out of sleep mode In-Reply-To: References: <29BB0559-6B51-4A58-A3FB-B43A84C700EB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi Esther, No I do not change location profiles, in fact I do not even know what that is. It just happens when I reopen the led in order to use my mac again after it's been to sleep. I only connect to one wifi network. Thanks for your email anyway. Lyn, Canelle & Epi On Nov 11, 2011, at 10:11 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Lyn, > > I can't suggest a fix, but I'll just ask if you use Wi-Fi and connect to different Wi-Fi sites without changing your location profile. What I've noticed is that if I changed my internet connection type several times, either by going between ethernet and Wi-Fi, or switching different Wi-Fi locations, without changing location profile, that the behavior you outline may occur if I've used my Mac laptop for some time without shutting down. (And incidentally, I've only seen this behavior with my 2010 MacBook Pro, and with a 2010 MacBook Air that I set up for someone else -- it never happened on my 2008 MacBook.) What is even odder, is that if I am using terminal I can connect out of my laptop with ssh. I just can't connect through Safari, and if Safari doesn't connect, my mail won't update. (I don't have to force quit Safari -- a simple quit will do, but I do have to reboot to get the network connection working again.) > > This doesn't seem to happen if I don't change my Wi-Fi source, or if I create a separate location profile for each different Wi-Fi connection and change location profiles. > > Maybe someone else on list can comment on a possible solution. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > > On Nov 10, 2011, at 19:26, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: > >> Hello listers, >> >> I am having strange problems with my mac here. Well, when I do not use my mac, I just put the led down and it goes to sleep. However, when I want to use my mac again, I am encountering strange problems. When my mac is out of sleep mode, I notice that the connection to my wifi network is lost. Obviously I reconnect to the network but even then I can't seem to be able to connect to the internet. the mail program does not retrieve mail and safari needs to be forced to quit every time. The only option I have is to restart my mac to get everything working again. Any ideas as to what is going on here and how to fix this weird issue? >> >> Thanks for any tips and feedback. >> >> Have a good one, >> >> Lyn, canelle & Epi >> >> ********** >> You can contact me in the following ways: >> email: >> helianthe at mac-access.net >> msn: >> lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com >> skype: >> micky-mac2010 >> facebook: >> www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 >> Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ********** You can contact me in the following ways: email: helianthe at mac-access.net msn: lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com skype: micky-mac2010 facebook: www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Sat Nov 12 09:16:08 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 20:16:08 +1100 Subject: database for i phone Message-ID: was wondering if its possible to or if there is a app out there so you can list your dvds and it will put them in a list in aphabetical order like the braille note has i like the one on that but the i phone is much smaller pluss my mum and dad can read and use the i phone to see what dvds i have if there was a database maniger any help would be nice thanks From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Sat Nov 12 14:31:55 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 09:31:55 -0500 Subject: Is there a iOS 5 keystroke to open Notifications? Message-ID: <7ECD1A4E-F480-4269-96DD-C58C50A73027@Mac-Access.net> Hi listers, I checked my resources for bluetooth commands and am hoping I missed this one. I can reach the status bar on my iPhone 4S using the bluetooth keyboard using VO M. But how do I open the notification Center using the bluetooth keyboard? My google searching is pretty rustic but along with checking some sites with keyboard commands for VO I tried a general search. Anyone out there know the key stroke or have a better search result. I'm really enjoying the bluetooth keyboard when at home. Eric Caron From moriond at mac.com Sat Nov 12 15:09:03 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 05:09:03 -1000 Subject: Is there a iOS 5 keystroke to open Notifications? In-Reply-To: <7ECD1A4E-F480-4269-96DD-C58C50A73027@Mac-Access.net> References: <7ECD1A4E-F480-4269-96DD-C58C50A73027@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: Hi Eric, To open the notification center with your Bluetooth keyboard, after moving to the status bar with VO-M use Option+Up arrow, which is the keyboard shortcut equivalent to the 3 finger flick down to scroll the page. To move to the button to dismiss notification center use Control+Down arrow. This is one of the cases where the format of the (older shortcuts) on hllf's blog site may make it easier to look up shortcuts. He uses the nice table format that gives action, keystrokes with QuickNav off, keystrokes with QuickNav on, and equivalent gesture. Daniel's AxS lab pages of shortcuts are up to date and very nice, but you have to associate terms to find the shortcut. hllf's VoiceOver Keyboard Commands for iOS 4.1 and Later: http://www.hllf.net/70 AxS Lab iOS VoiceOver Gesture, Keyboard & Braille Shortcuts: http://axslab.com/ios-shortcuts HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 12, 2011, at 04:31, Eric Caron wrote: > Hi listers, > > I checked my resources for bluetooth commands and am hoping I missed this one. I can reach the status bar on my iPhone 4S using the bluetooth keyboard using VO M. But how do I open the notification Center using the bluetooth keyboard? > My google searching is pretty rustic but along with checking some sites with keyboard commands for VO I tried a general search. Anyone out there know the key stroke or have a better search result. > > I'm really enjoying the bluetooth keyboard when at home. > > Eric Caron From sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk Sat Nov 12 16:03:19 2011 From: sunil.peck at disabilitynow.org.uk (Sunil Peck) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 16:03:19 +0000 Subject: Managing apps on the iPhone using iTunes Message-ID: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02D9D536A3EE@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Hi, I'm trying to remove some apps from my iPhone and put some back on which are in iTunes and which I bought some time ago. With my iPhone plugged into my Mac I've selected the applications radiobutton and navigated to all the apps stored in iTunes. I think my problem is the method of selecting I'm using. 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From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 16:06:03 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:06:03 -0500 Subject: Managing apps on the iPhone using iTunes In-Reply-To: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02D9D536A3EE@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02D9D536A3EE@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> Message-ID: <001801cca154$faec3290$f0c497b0$@gmail.com> Why not just do it from the device as this would be easier! Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sunil Peck Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:03 AM To: mac-access at mac-access.net Subject: Managing apps on the iPhone using iTunes Hi, I'm trying to remove some apps from my iPhone and put some back on which are in iTunes and which I bought some time ago. With my iPhone plugged into my Mac I've selected the applications radiobutton and navigated to all the apps stored in iTunes. I think my problem is the method of selecting I'm using. What I did was put the cursor on the first app, turned off cursor tracking then went through the list with VO+down arrow pressing cmd+space on the ones I wanted to select. When done I turned cursor tracking back on and pressed the sync button. But after that no apps had been added or removed. I'd appreciate suggestions on how to do it properly, thanks a lot. Sunil Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by guarantee (number 520866). Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. Our VAT number is 805156939. Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential and are intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been addressed by the sender. 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Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From opensesame at me.com Sat Nov 12 16:41:28 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:41:28 -0500 Subject: database for i phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I use Bento for iPhone and iTouch. It costs US $4.99. It is fully VO accessible and can sync with Bento for Mac and Bento for iPad if you also use those products. You can select a field and sort ascending or descending. It can also be used to manage your contacts, tasks and calendar in a tabular format that I sometimes find preferable to the interface of those native apps. I keep meaning to add a review to applevis, but.... Maybe this weekend. The Help button within Bento presents a thorough, if somewhat awkwardly organized, set of instructions for using the app. You can also view the help from any web browser by going to the following URL: http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/7215/~/bento-for-iphone-and-ipod-touch-help Here's a link to Bento in the US iTunes App Store: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bento/id314638461?mt=8 HTH, Bryan On Nov 12, 2011, at 4:16 AM, krystal watson wrote: > was wondering if its possible to or if there is a app out there so you can list your dvds and it will put them in a list in aphabetical order like the braille note has i like the one on that but the i phone is much smaller pluss my mum and dad can read and use the i phone to see what dvds i have if there was a database maniger any help would be nice thanks > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tracysc1974 at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 17:04:57 2011 From: tracysc1974 at gmail.com (tracy) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:04:57 -0500 Subject: List of short cut/key strokes for use with a bluetooth keyboard In-Reply-To: References: <7ECD1A4E-F480-4269-96DD-C58C50A73027@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: Hi! I just got a Bluetooth key board for my iphone 4, and have no clue what the commands are to get it to do anything. Is there a list of them, somewhere? It is a regular keyboard, not an apple keyboard. For example, what is the vo key? Is it the windows key? Any help would be appreciated. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:09 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Is there a iOS 5 keystroke to open Notifications? Hi Eric, To open the notification center with your Bluetooth keyboard, after moving to the status bar with VO-M use Option+Up arrow, which is the keyboard shortcut equivalent to the 3 finger flick down to scroll the page. To move to the button to dismiss notification center use Control+Down arrow. This is one of the cases where the format of the (older shortcuts) on hllf's blog site may make it easier to look up shortcuts. He uses the nice table format that gives action, keystrokes with QuickNav off, keystrokes with QuickNav on, and equivalent gesture. Daniel's AxS lab pages of shortcuts are up to date and very nice, but you have to associate terms to find the shortcut. hllf's VoiceOver Keyboard Commands for iOS 4.1 and Later: http://www.hllf.net/70 AxS Lab iOS VoiceOver Gesture, Keyboard & Braille Shortcuts: http://axslab.com/ios-shortcuts HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 12, 2011, at 04:31, Eric Caron wrote: > Hi listers, > > I checked my resources for bluetooth commands and am hoping I missed this one. I can reach the status bar on my iPhone 4S using the bluetooth keyboard using VO M. But how do I open the notification Center using the bluetooth keyboard? > My google searching is pretty rustic but along with checking some sites with keyboard commands for VO I tried a general search. Anyone out there know the key stroke or have a better search result. > > I'm really enjoying the bluetooth keyboard when at home. > > Eric Caron <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Sat Nov 12 17:05:34 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:05:34 -0500 Subject: Is there a iOS 5 keystroke to open Notifications? In-Reply-To: References: <7ECD1A4E-F480-4269-96DD-C58C50A73027@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: Thanks Esther, I have added the link to the other site to my resources! You guessed right that I was looking at the updated site but missed the command! I am enjoying all the options my iPhone offers. Siri for some things, Bluetooth keyboard for others, and touch screen for most things. I often use combinations of these things. I can picture a time when my mobil device will replace my home computer. Eric Caron On Nov 12, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Esther wrote: > Hi Eric, > > To open the notification center with your Bluetooth keyboard, after moving to the status bar with VO-M use Option+Up arrow, which is the keyboard shortcut equivalent to the 3 finger flick down to scroll the page. To move to the button to dismiss notification center use Control+Down arrow. > > This is one of the cases where the format of the (older shortcuts) on hllf's blog site may make it easier to look up shortcuts. He uses the nice table format that gives action, keystrokes with QuickNav off, keystrokes with QuickNav on, and equivalent gesture. Daniel's AxS lab pages of shortcuts are up to date and very nice, but you have to associate terms to find the shortcut. > > hllf's VoiceOver Keyboard Commands for iOS 4.1 and Later: > http://www.hllf.net/70 > > AxS Lab iOS VoiceOver Gesture, Keyboard & Braille Shortcuts: > http://axslab.com/ios-shortcuts > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Nov 12, 2011, at 04:31, Eric Caron wrote: > >> Hi listers, >> >> I checked my resources for bluetooth commands and am hoping I missed this one. I can reach the status bar on my iPhone 4S using the bluetooth keyboard using VO M. But how do I open the notification Center using the bluetooth keyboard? >> My google searching is pretty rustic but along with checking some sites with keyboard commands for VO I tried a general search. Anyone out there know the key stroke or have a better search result. >> >> I'm really enjoying the bluetooth keyboard when at home. >> >> Eric Caron > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tracysc1974 at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 17:24:52 2011 From: tracysc1974 at gmail.com (tracy) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:24:52 -0500 Subject: Is there a iOS 5 keystroke to open Notifications? In-Reply-To: References: <7ECD1A4E-F480-4269-96DD-C58C50A73027@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <0346B760A9A14611970BE418A94595D0@NETBOOK> Hi! Should have read the entire message, thinks for the links I think they are what I'm looking for. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Eric Caron Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:06 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Is there a iOS 5 keystroke to open Notifications? Thanks Esther, I have added the link to the other site to my resources! You guessed right that I was looking at the updated site but missed the command! I am enjoying all the options my iPhone offers. Siri for some things, Bluetooth keyboard for others, and touch screen for most things. I often use combinations of these things. I can picture a time when my mobil device will replace my home computer. Eric Caron On Nov 12, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Esther wrote: > Hi Eric, > > To open the notification center with your Bluetooth keyboard, after moving to the status bar with VO-M use Option+Up arrow, which is the keyboard shortcut equivalent to the 3 finger flick down to scroll the page. To move to the button to dismiss notification center use Control+Down arrow. > > This is one of the cases where the format of the (older shortcuts) on hllf's blog site may make it easier to look up shortcuts. He uses the nice table format that gives action, keystrokes with QuickNav off, keystrokes with QuickNav on, and equivalent gesture. Daniel's AxS lab pages of shortcuts are up to date and very nice, but you have to associate terms to find the shortcut. > > hllf's VoiceOver Keyboard Commands for iOS 4.1 and Later: > http://www.hllf.net/70 > > AxS Lab iOS VoiceOver Gesture, Keyboard & Braille Shortcuts: > http://axslab.com/ios-shortcuts > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Nov 12, 2011, at 04:31, Eric Caron wrote: > >> Hi listers, >> >> I checked my resources for bluetooth commands and am hoping I missed this one. I can reach the status bar on my iPhone 4S using the bluetooth keyboard using VO M. But how do I open the notification Center using the bluetooth keyboard? >> My google searching is pretty rustic but along with checking some sites with keyboard commands for VO I tried a general search. Anyone out there know the key stroke or have a better search result. >> >> I'm really enjoying the bluetooth keyboard when at home. >> >> Eric Caron > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 17:41:49 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 12:41:49 -0500 Subject: First draft of my spelled out phone migration instructions. Message-ID: <84552F84C3C243F7B23D19C0C7F0BD07@DD952WB1> Greetings all, I thought I'd compose an eMail to my Mother that she could have available as we're talking; among other things it took about ten minutes yesterday for her to write down the wi-fi password, which she probably still got wrong, and no doubt it was long ago misplaced in a pile of random papers. Here's what I've written so far, with a few tiny redaction's of course. Quote: Perhaps if you print this it will help as we work through it over the phone. First, you probably want to change your AppleID to an address where you can receive email. To do this, start iTunes and you should see a menu at the top called: "store". Select "view my account" and edit your Apple id so as to change from "XXX" to "YYY". Next, attach your old phone -- it should appear under "devices" in iTunes. In the info tab there should be an option to check for updates. Let it update to version 5.01. Next on the old phone go into settings -> iCloud and select contacts, reminders, etc. After selecting all the items you want brought over to your new phone select "storage and backup" and from there select "backup now". When that completes, you can turn off the old phone by pressing and holding the power button on top for a couple seconds, and when prompted, slide your finger to power off. Now you can turn on your new phone, and the setup dialog should be pretty straight forward. When prompted for your wi-fi password, enter: "ZZZ". Unquote This is as far as I've gotten. I assume that the cloud will bring over her contacts, but doubt at this point that I can have her selectively restore from her 3GS in order to recover her apps and folder structure? My questions to the list are whether I can simplify the process by eliminating any of the above steps, or if this would be the most painless option, is there a way to migrate her apps and folder structure, or should I just have her redownload everything and plan to organize her folders when I get there? TIA for any comments. Geoff From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 18:09:27 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:09:27 -0500 Subject: List of short cut/key strokes for use with a bluetooth keyboard In-Reply-To: References: <7ECD1A4E-F480-4269-96DD-C58C50A73027@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <000d01cca166$382337b0$a869a710$@gmail.com> Yes, see link below. http://axslab.com/articles/ios-voiceover-gestures-and-keyboard-commands.php Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of tracy Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:05 PM To: 'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility' Subject: List of short cut/key strokes for use with a bluetooth keyboard Hi! I just got a Bluetooth key board for my iphone 4, and have no clue what the commands are to get it to do anything. Is there a list of them, somewhere? It is a regular keyboard, not an apple keyboard. For example, what is the vo key? Is it the windows key? Any help would be appreciated. Tracy -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 10:09 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Is there a iOS 5 keystroke to open Notifications? Hi Eric, To open the notification center with your Bluetooth keyboard, after moving to the status bar with VO-M use Option+Up arrow, which is the keyboard shortcut equivalent to the 3 finger flick down to scroll the page. To move to the button to dismiss notification center use Control+Down arrow. This is one of the cases where the format of the (older shortcuts) on hllf's blog site may make it easier to look up shortcuts. He uses the nice table format that gives action, keystrokes with QuickNav off, keystrokes with QuickNav on, and equivalent gesture. Daniel's AxS lab pages of shortcuts are up to date and very nice, but you have to associate terms to find the shortcut. hllf's VoiceOver Keyboard Commands for iOS 4.1 and Later: http://www.hllf.net/70 AxS Lab iOS VoiceOver Gesture, Keyboard & Braille Shortcuts: http://axslab.com/ios-shortcuts HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 12, 2011, at 04:31, Eric Caron wrote: > Hi listers, > > I checked my resources for bluetooth commands and am hoping I missed this one. I can reach the status bar on my iPhone 4S using the bluetooth keyboard using VO M. But how do I open the notification Center using the bluetooth keyboard? > My google searching is pretty rustic but along with checking some sites with keyboard commands for VO I tried a general search. Anyone out there know the key stroke or have a better search result. > > I'm really enjoying the bluetooth keyboard when at home. > > Eric Caron <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From jonesbl at comcast.net Sat Nov 12 18:13:53 2011 From: jonesbl at comcast.net (barbara jones) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:13:53 -0500 Subject: Missing manual command Message-ID: Hello I am reading David Pogue's missing manual Mac OSX and wonder what keystroke is equivalent to what he refers to as a click. i.e. click on what he is referring to. . Thanks Barbara From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Sat Nov 12 18:15:19 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 18:15:19 +0000 Subject: Managing apps on the iPhone using iTunes In-Reply-To: <001801cca154$faec3290$f0c497b0$@gmail.com> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02D9D536A3EE@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <001801cca154$faec3290$f0c497b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <25D7B631-4925-43DC-8F85-6C7EF0D4F2AB@virginmedia.com> Hi Sunil! After I've selected the apps button I go to the scroll area with right arrow and in there are either to sync all or only selected then a table of the apps! In there I just arrow down the list and each one has a check box and either uncheck or check each one! then when finished stop interacting with the scroll area and pick one of the other options if needed like ringtones and so on! When I'm done and go back to the source's table I get asked [because you've made changes to the Iphone would you like to sync now] or something like that, just vo space and let it do its thing and then eject! hth Colin On 12 Nov 2011, at 16:06, Bubba wrote: > Why not just do it from the device as this would be easier! > > > Bubba > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sunil Peck > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:03 AM > To: mac-access at mac-access.net > Subject: Managing apps on the iPhone using iTunes > > Hi, > > I'm trying to remove some apps from my iPhone and put some back on which are > in iTunes and which I bought some time ago. > > With my iPhone plugged into my Mac I've selected the applications > radiobutton and navigated to all the apps stored in iTunes. I think my > problem is the method of selecting I'm using. What I did was put the cursor > on the first app, turned off cursor tracking then went through the list with > VO+down arrow pressing cmd+space on the ones I wanted to select. When done I > turned cursor tracking back on and pressed the sync button. But after that > no apps had been added or removed. > > I'd appreciate suggestions on how to do it properly, thanks a lot. > > Sunil > > > Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by > guarantee (number 520866). > Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. > Our VAT number is 805156939. > > > Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk > > This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential and are > intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been addressed by the > sender. This message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If > you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if you believe it was > transmitted to you in error, you are required to delete the message and any > copies of it, and to notify the sender immediately. Any unauthorised > disclosure, copying, distribution, or printing of this message or > accompanying files, or unauthorised use of any information contained > therein, by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited and > may be unlawful. > > Any views expressed in this message or in any file(s) transmitted with it > are those of the author, and may not necessarily represent the views of > Scope. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jonesbl at comcast.net Sat Nov 12 18:15:53 2011 From: jonesbl at comcast.net (barbara jones) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:15:53 -0500 Subject: home key Message-ID: <7A17F12791204CFFB78794C63E4A3E67@pc> Hello I am using a Macbook Pro, have used VO and k to learn the keys but do not come across a home key. Is there an equivalent on a laptop? Thanks Barbara From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 18:20:39 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:20:39 -0800 Subject: home key In-Reply-To: <7A17F12791204CFFB78794C63E4A3E67@pc> References: <7A17F12791204CFFB78794C63E4A3E67@pc> Message-ID: <93935FF5-3D00-481A-BC9D-35EFA6548B05@gmail.com> Yeah. hit the fn key and hit the left arrow. the right arrow is end, the up arrow is I think page up and the down is I think page down. the fn key is the very left hand lower corner key. On Nov 12, 2011, at 10:15 AM, barbara jones wrote: > Hello > I am using a Macbook Pro, have used VO and k to learn the keys but do not > come across a home key. Is there an equivalent on a laptop? > Thanks > Barbara > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 18:22:04 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:22:04 -0800 Subject: Missing manual command In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <257555D4-837F-48BA-A069-7C7B3CF03021@gmail.com> a click is a vo shift space or a vo space depending on what you want to do or need to do. On Nov 12, 2011, at 10:13 AM, barbara jones wrote: > Hello > I am reading David Pogue's missing manual Mac OSX and wonder what keystroke > is equivalent to what he refers to as a click. i.e. click on what he is > referring to. . > Thanks > Barbara > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From opensesame at me.com Sat Nov 12 18:27:59 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:27:59 -0500 Subject: First draft of my spelled out phone migration instructions. In-Reply-To: <84552F84C3C243F7B23D19C0C7F0BD07@DD952WB1> References: <84552F84C3C243F7B23D19C0C7F0BD07@DD952WB1> Message-ID: Hi Geoff, If your mother is anything like another mom I know, she might take the part about changing her apple ID a bit too literally and attempt to use "YYY" as her new ID. . Here's an Apple KB article that gives some more details about what is and is not backed up using itunes and icloud. http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1766 Here's a PCMag article that gives a good step-by-step for migrating from one iphone to another. The meat of this article is on the second page. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2394576,00.asp#fbid=6rJPtBghPDU HTH, Bryan On Nov 12, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Greetings all, > > I thought I'd compose an eMail to my Mother that she could have available as we're talking; among other things it took about ten minutes yesterday for her to write down the wi-fi password, which she probably still got wrong, and no doubt it was long ago misplaced in a pile of random papers. Here's what I've written so far, with a few tiny redaction's of course. > > Quote: > Perhaps if you print this it will help as we work through it over the phone. > > First, you probably want to change your AppleID to an address where you can receive email. To do this, start iTunes and you should see a menu at the top called: "store". Select "view my account" and edit your Apple id so as to change from "XXX" to "YYY". > > Next, attach your old phone -- it should appear under "devices" in iTunes. In the info tab there should be an option to check for updates. Let it update to version 5.01. > > Next on the old phone go into settings -> iCloud and select contacts, reminders, etc. After selecting all the items you want brought over to your new phone select "storage and backup" and from there select "backup now". When that completes, you can turn off the old phone by pressing and holding the power button on top for a couple seconds, and when prompted, slide your finger to power off. > > Now you can turn on your new phone, and the setup dialog should be pretty straight forward. When prompted for your wi-fi password, enter: "ZZZ". > Unquote > > This is as far as I've gotten. I assume that the cloud will bring over her contacts, but doubt at this point that I can have her selectively restore from her 3GS in order to recover her apps and folder structure? > > My questions to the list are whether I can simplify the process by eliminating any of the above steps, or if this would be the most painless option, is there a way to migrate her apps and folder structure, or should I just have her redownload everything and plan to organize her folders when I get there? > > TIA for any comments. > Geoff > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From cfgolding at comcast.net Sat Nov 12 18:38:29 2011 From: cfgolding at comcast.net (Catherine Golding) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 10:38:29 -0800 Subject: Battery status Message-ID: <001c01cca16a$465a9a90$d30fcfb0$@net> How do I check the battery status on my MacBook? Catherine Golding Olympia, Washington Where it is very wet From jonesbl at comcast.net Sat Nov 12 18:42:07 2011 From: jonesbl at comcast.net (barbara jones) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:42:07 -0500 Subject: Missing manual command In-Reply-To: <257555D4-837F-48BA-A069-7C7B3CF03021@gmail.com> Message-ID: <67FDF929550C4A8AAD37B4B1519B9F6E@pc> Sarah Okay got it so one is to actually choose the item and will look into what adding the shift key does or will test it out and see what happens. Thanks for both this and the home key answer. Barbara -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 1:22 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Missing manual command a click is a vo shift space or a vo space depending on what you want to do or need to do. On Nov 12, 2011, at 10:13 AM, barbara jones wrote: > Hello > I am reading David Pogue's missing manual Mac OSX and wonder what > keystroke is equivalent to what he refers to as a click. i.e. click on > what he is referring to. . Thanks > Barbara > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From opensesame at me.com Sat Nov 12 18:57:50 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 13:57:50 -0500 Subject: Battery status In-Reply-To: <001c01cca16a$465a9a90$d30fcfb0$@net> References: <001c01cca16a$465a9a90$d30fcfb0$@net> Message-ID: Hi Catherine, Here's one way to do it. The following steps assume you are running OSX Lion 10.7.2. 1. Make sure your system is set to display the battery status in the menu bar. You can do this by checking the check box under the battery tab of the Energy Saver preference pane. 2. Press VO+M+M to move the VO focus to the status menu, which is located on the right side of the menu bar along the top of your screen. 3. Press VO+left or right arrow repeatedly until you reach the battery status icon, whereupon you should hear something like "Battery 80 percent remaining" or " Battery charged." HTH, Bryan On Nov 12, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Catherine Golding wrote: > How do I check the battery status on my MacBook? > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sat Nov 12 19:05:15 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 11:05:15 -0800 Subject: Battery status In-Reply-To: References: <001c01cca16a$465a9a90$d30fcfb0$@net> Message-ID: <6407ACB0-3308-4412-82F1-DDAF9EEC7A6B@gmail.com> Anothrer way is to follow the prior poster's steps except hit ctrl f8 and arrow left to the bztery and listen from there. Take care. On Nov 12, 2011, at 10:57 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hi Catherine, > > Here's one way to do it. The following steps assume you are running OSX Lion 10.7.2. > 1. Make sure your system is set to display the battery status in the menu bar. You can do this by checking the check box under the battery tab of the Energy Saver preference pane. > 2. Press VO+M+M to move the VO focus to the status menu, which is located on the right side of the menu bar along the top of your screen. > 3. Press VO+left or right arrow repeatedly until you reach the battery status icon, whereupon you should hear something like "Battery 80 percent remaining" or " Battery charged." > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Nov 12, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Catherine Golding wrote: > >> How do I check the battery status on my MacBook? >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From djden at thejazzden.org.uk Sat Nov 12 21:41:25 2011 From: djden at thejazzden.org.uk (Thejazzden) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 21:41:25 +0000 Subject: Midi for IPhone and IMac? Message-ID: <400D77FC-730E-4348-A371-1280AC8E51A5@thejazzden.org.uk> Hello listers I'm wanting to start using midi again to jam along with and also possibly do a little bit of composition. I've still got my old Nidi stuff ? controllers, keyboards, hardware synth modules etc. and also CakeWalk 9 with Dancing Dots Jaws scripts and could set up my old Windows computer for use at home But I'm seduced by new technology, especially using the iPhone with something like garage band or its big brother on my IMac. What do people suggest? Is there an interface that will work with both the iPhone and the IMac to connect to my Midi stuff? Or should I just go back to using my old windows machine at home ? I just love the idea of carrying something as small as an iPhone to play around with on gigs or just for fun. Is it realistic, for instance, to jot down nusical ideas or make small edits using step time input on an IPhone? If this is not the appropriate place to discuss this, could someone point me to any blind lists still in existence please? Any advice welcome. Dennis Freedman The best aromatherapy in the UK - www.e-nat.co.uk Sent from my iPhone From 1smartdog at cox.net Sat Nov 12 21:49:40 2011 From: 1smartdog at cox.net (1SmartDog@cox.net) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:49:40 -0600 Subject: Battery status References: <001c01cca16a$465a9a90$d30fcfb0$@net> Message-ID: <41128FF480714F29A64EDAC9A9278D45@karen796b6a58c> You can also install a script to announce battery status. All I have to do is press option-b and battery status is announced. I am running Snow Leopard. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Golding" To: Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:38 PM Subject: Battery status > How do I check the battery status on my MacBook? > > > > Catherine Golding > > Olympia, Washington > > Where it is very wet > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 01:08:16 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 20:08:16 -0500 Subject: Managing apps on the iPhone using iTunes In-Reply-To: <25D7B631-4925-43DC-8F85-6C7EF0D4F2AB@virginmedia.com> References: <735718951AB5F540890F4418363E43BD02D9D536A3EE@MR-EMAIL.hq.scope.org.uk> <001801cca154$faec3290$f0c497b0$@gmail.com> <25D7B631-4925-43DC-8F85-6C7EF0D4F2AB@virginmedia.com> Message-ID: <709186BD-326A-4DF1-845B-4299206B75D0@gmail.com> In the scroll area, if you've chosen to sink selected apps, you need to vo right arrow to the apps table. You can arrow down the list of apps, but if you find one you want to add, take off, or make sure it's not going to add, you need to interact with the table then interact with each individual app and that is where you will find the checkbox. Then, stop interacting with that app and go on down the list, interacting with each app you need to. When finished with the list, stop interacting with it, and the scroll area. On Nov 12, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: Hi Sunil! After I've selected the apps button I go to the scroll area with right arrow and in there are either to sync all or only selected then a table of the apps! In there I just arrow down the list and each one has a check box and either uncheck or check each one! then when finished stop interacting with the scroll area and pick one of the other options if needed like ringtones and so on! When I'm done and go back to the source's table I get asked [because you've made changes to the Iphone would you like to sync now] or something like that, just vo space and let it do its thing and then eject! hth Colin On 12 Nov 2011, at 16:06, Bubba wrote: > Why not just do it from the device as this would be easier! > > > Bubba > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sunil Peck > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:03 AM > To: mac-access at mac-access.net > Subject: Managing apps on the iPhone using iTunes > > Hi, > > I'm trying to remove some apps from my iPhone and put some back on which are > in iTunes and which I bought some time ago. > > With my iPhone plugged into my Mac I've selected the applications > radiobutton and navigated to all the apps stored in iTunes. I think my > problem is the method of selecting I'm using. What I did was put the cursor > on the first app, turned off cursor tracking then went through the list with > VO+down arrow pressing cmd+space on the ones I wanted to select. When done I > turned cursor tracking back on and pressed the sync button. But after that > no apps had been added or removed. > > I'd appreciate suggestions on how to do it properly, thanks a lot. > > Sunil > > > Scope is a registered charity (number 208231) and a company limited by > guarantee (number 520866). > Our registered office is at 6 Market Road, London N7 9PW, England. > Our VAT number is 805156939. > > > Visit our website at http://www.scope.org.uk > > This message, and any file(s) transmitted with it are confidential and are > intended only for the person(s) to whom they have been addressed by the > sender. This message may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: -- Marcy marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Sun Nov 13 02:15:16 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:15:16 +1100 Subject: database for i phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: can i add other databases how do i use them i broght both the mac and i o s version looks complacated from my first look but i will get used to it i am sure On 13/11/2011, at 3:41 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: > I use Bento for iPhone and iTouch. It costs US $4.99. It is fully VO accessible and can sync with Bento for Mac and Bento for iPad if you also use those products. You can select a field and sort ascending or descending. It can also be used to manage your contacts, tasks and calendar in a tabular format that I sometimes find preferable to the interface of those native apps. I keep meaning to add a review to applevis, but.... Maybe this weekend. > > The Help button within Bento presents a thorough, if somewhat awkwardly organized, set of instructions for using the app. You can also view the help from any web browser by going to the following URL: > http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/7215/~/bento-for-iphone-and-ipod-touch-help > > Here's a link to Bento in the US iTunes App Store: > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bento/id314638461?mt=8 > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Nov 12, 2011, at 4:16 AM, krystal watson wrote: > >> was wondering if its possible to or if there is a app out there so you can list your dvds and it will put them in a list in aphabetical order like the braille note has i like the one on that but the i phone is much smaller pluss my mum and dad can read and use the i phone to see what dvds i have if there was a database maniger any help would be nice thanks >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Sun Nov 13 03:58:43 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:58:43 -1000 Subject: mac loosing connection to the wifi network when coming out of sleep mode In-Reply-To: References: <29BB0559-6B51-4A58-A3FB-B43A84C700EB@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <349A006F-A588-4D67-94B5-8F47E040387C@mac.com> Hi Lyn and Kristeen, I'm not sure I have a solution for you if you only connect to one wifi network, but I can describe a generally recommended fix. Are you running Lion? The location profile is the name assigned to your network setup, and is probably set to "Automatic". If you navigate to the Apple menu on your menu bar (either VO-M or Control-F2 to move to the "Apple Menu"), then arrow down and press "L", you'll find the "Location" menu entry. Pressing your right arrow key will move you to the submenu, and you'll probably find your first entry is "Automatic" and is selected. If you arrow down the submenu, you'll find entries for any other location profiles you may have created, and if your press Command+Down arrow, you'll move to the end of the Location submenu, which should be the option to open "Network Preferences?". You can create different location profiles for different network setups -- for example, I have a separate one for my Father's Wi-Fi network. Or I have another profile named "Office" for the fixed IP ethernet connection at work. The usual fixes for the sorts of problems you are seeing is to create a new location profile for your network, in case the initial one has somehow been corrupted, and try using that instead to see whether the problem goes away. If you are losing the connection on the same network that you usually use, but only after your Mac goes to sleep, you can also try renewing the DHCP lease. Here's a link to a recent OS X Daily article that outlines the steps to take. They include applying all the latest software updates for Lion, and first resetting your router (just power cycle it). Then the suggestion is to try creating a new network location and renewing your DHCP lease. You can follow the instructions of the article to launch "System Preferences" from the Apple menu and select "Network", but I find it faster to simply navigate to the "Network Preferences?" option at the end of the "Location" submenu, since this will take you directly to the window you need without having to navigate more menus. The article is titled "Still Having Lion Wi-Fi Problems? This Solution Works": http://osxdaily.com/2011/11/06/lion-wi-fi-problems-solution-mac/ Their suggestion is to create a new location profile for your network by clicking the icon to add a new network connection. My suggested version of how to do this: 1. Press VO-M or Control-F2 to move to the Apple Menu 2. Arrow down and press "L" to move to the Location menu 3. Right arrow to the "Location" submenu (you should hear VoiceOver announce the first item, probably as "Automatic " with a preceding check mark). 4. Command+Down arrow or arrow down to "Network Preferences?" at the end of the Location submenu (you will pass the names of other location profiles if you have created any); then press either VO-Space or Return to open the "Network Preferences" menu of "System Preferences" 5. On the "Network" pane, first unlock the lock button with your Admin password by using item chooser menu to go to the "Click the lock to make changes" button. Press VO-I for item chooser menu, then type "b u t", for a list of buttons, then type "l o c k" to locate the "Click to lock to make changes" button, and VO-Space twice (once to move to the button and a second time to click the button). 6. In the Authentication dialog window that is brought up, you'll be in the password field. Type in your Admin password and press Return to unlock the button. 7. Use item chooser menu (VO-I) again and type "a d d" to locate and move to the "Add Service" button. (Again, press VO-Space twice -- once to move to the button from the item chooser menu, and a second time to press the button). 8. In the dialog window you'll be prompted to select the interface and enter a name for the new service. Set the pop up menu to "Airport" (which is probably the default), and type a name of your choice in the text box for the service name -- just something that is different from your existing location service name of "Automatic"). Then navigate to the "Create" button and press it (VO-Space). 9. On the Network pane for the newly created service (announced in the pop up button following "Location" at the start of the pane), navigate to the "Advance?" button, and press it with VO-Space 10. Navigate with VO-Right arrow to the "DNS" tab and select it with VO-Space. 11. On the "DNS" tab navigate with VO-RIght arrow past the IP Address (if you continue to navigate, there will be a series of numbers for the IP Address, Subnet mask and router. They will all be groups of four numbers separated by periods.) Navigate to the button for "Renew DHCP Lease" and press it with VO-Space. 12. Navigate back (VO-Left arrow) to make sure the fields for IP Address, Subnet mask, and Router contain numbers, since pressing the button to renew the DHCP lease will cause these fields to update. 13. Once you have checked that these fields are populate, navigate to the "OK" button at the end of the pane (either with VO-Right arrow or by pressing VO-Fn-RIght Arrow to move to the end of the window) and press it with VO-Space. 14. You might want to navigate to the "Click the lock to prevent further changes" button and lock it again (with VO-Space) before closing the Network window with Command-W. Read through the article at the linked URL, perform the updates, and see whether this helps. You'll now have two location profiles in your Location submenu under the Apple menu. See whether the new location profile behaves better. If it works, you can keep it and delete the old one. You will have to enter the password when you set up this location profile. Write back and let us know whether that helps. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 11, 2011, at 19:45, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: > Hi Esther, > > No I do not change location profiles, in fact I do not even know what that is. It just happens when I reopen the led in order to use my mac again after it's been to sleep. I only connect to one wifi network. > > Thanks for your email anyway. > > Lyn, Canelle & Epi > > On Nov 11, 2011, at 10:11 PM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Lyn, >> >> I can't suggest a fix, but I'll just ask if you use Wi-Fi and connect to different Wi-Fi sites without changing your location profile. What I've noticed is that if I changed my internet connection type several times, either by going between ethernet and Wi-Fi, or switching different Wi-Fi locations, without changing location profile, that the behavior you outline may occur if I've used my Mac laptop for some time without shutting down. (And incidentally, I've only seen this behavior with my 2010 MacBook Pro, and with a 2010 MacBook Air that I set up for someone else -- it never happened on my 2008 MacBook.) What is even odder, is that if I am using terminal I can connect out of my laptop with ssh. I just can't connect through Safari, and if Safari doesn't connect, my mail won't update. (I don't have to force quit Safari -- a simple quit will do, but I do have to reboot to get the network connection working again.) >> >> This doesn't seem to happen if I don't change my Wi-Fi source, or if I create a separate location profile for each different Wi-Fi connection and change location profiles. >> >> Maybe someone else on list can comment on a possible solution. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> >> On Nov 10, 2011, at 19:26, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: >> >>> Hello listers, >>> >>> I am having strange problems with my mac here. Well, when I do not use my mac, I just put the led down and it goes to sleep. However, when I want to use my mac again, I am encountering strange problems. When my mac is out of sleep mode, I notice that the connection to my wifi network is lost. Obviously I reconnect to the network but even then I can't seem to be able to connect to the internet. the mail program does not retrieve mail and safari needs to be forced to quit every time. The only option I have is to restart my mac to get everything working again. Any ideas as to what is going on here and how to fix this weird issue? >>> >>> Thanks for any tips and feedback. >>> >>> Have a good one, >>> >>> Lyn, canelle & Epi >>> >>> ********** >>> You can contact me in the following ways: >>> email: >>> helianthe at mac-access.net >>> msn: >>> lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com >>> skype: >>> micky-mac2010 >>> facebook: >>> www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 >>> Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. >>> From cfgolding at comcast.net Sun Nov 13 04:49:02 2011 From: cfgolding at comcast.net (Catherine Golding) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 20:49:02 -0800 Subject: Setting voice feedback Message-ID: <001501cca1bf$9164a760$b42df620$@net> When I try to set my vvoice feedback to read "none" or "words only" it doesn't seem to change. It just keeps reading each character as I type it. How do I change it? Catherine Golding Olympia, Washington From cfgolding at comcast.net Sun Nov 13 04:59:06 2011 From: cfgolding at comcast.net (Catherine Golding) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 20:59:06 -0800 Subject: Dashboard busy Message-ID: <001a01cca1c0$f92c6210$eb852630$@net> What does this mean? Catherine Golding Olympia, Washington From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 06:27:54 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:27:54 -0800 Subject: Dashboard busy In-Reply-To: <001a01cca1c0$f92c6210$eb852630$@net> References: <001a01cca1c0$f92c6210$eb852630$@net> Message-ID: I have never used the dash board but if you are getting that every time you access the dash board something is causing it to freeze. what that could be will cause you to do some trouble shooting though. Take care. On Nov 12, 2011, at 8:59 PM, Catherine Golding wrote: > What does this mean? > > > > Catherine Golding > > Olympia, Washington > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sun Nov 13 12:53:34 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:53:34 +0000 Subject: 140 Sound Effects Ringtones High Quality, or Sound EFX Message-ID: <4EBFBDCE.70604@techno-chat.net> If you want lots of cool high quality sounds that you can have as ringtones, check out this almost fully accessible app. It is 69p here in the UK. The almost bit is because when you double tap on the button with the name of the sound, there is a button that is not labelled correctly. I found out double tapping it plays the sound. So you could use the new custom labelling feature to rename this button. It is located to the far right. What I'm trying to say is swipe twice to the right and you will see this button. Enjoy! From helianthe at mac-access.net Sun Nov 13 13:20:15 2011 From: helianthe at mac-access.net (Lyn & her faithful furry friends) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:20:15 +0100 Subject: 140 Sound Effects Ringtones High Quality, or Sound EFX In-Reply-To: <4EBFBDCE.70604@techno-chat.net> References: <4EBFBDCE.70604@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <0B53E558-3E6C-4A70-AA9C-DE12C12CE601@mac-access.net> Chris, You forgot to mention the name of the app? Take care, Lyn, Canelle & Epi On Nov 13, 2011, at 1:53 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > If you want lots of cool high quality sounds that you can have as ringtones, check out this almost fully accessible app. It is 69p here in the UK. The almost bit is because when you double tap on the button with the name of the sound, there is a button that is not labelled correctly. I found out double tapping it plays the sound. So you could use the new custom labelling feature to rename this button. It is located to the far right. What I'm trying to say is swipe twice to the right and you will see this button. > Enjoy! > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > ********** You can contact me in the following ways: email: helianthe at mac-access.net msn: lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com skype: micky-mac2010 facebook: www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 13:27:35 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 08:27:35 -0500 Subject: new labeling system Was RE: 140 Sound Effects Ringtones High Quality, or Sound EFX Message-ID: <003701cca208$028e9ac0$07abd040$@gmail.com> Ok, yes this new labeling feature is nice but I think we should remember to write the developers and let them know as well that the buttons is not label in the app as so that Vo can read them. This is a great feature to get us by to make apps more accessible and user friendly but we must still advocate for accessibility and especially simple things like labeling a button to where Vo can read it. If we stop doing this I am afraid that the developers are going to shove it off on us and apple to make apps accessible and user friendly instead of them doing what they should do from the get go. JMO ! Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of chris hallsworth Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:54 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: 140 Sound Effects Ringtones High Quality, or Sound EFX If you want lots of cool high quality sounds that you can have as ringtones, check out this almost fully accessible app. It is 69p here in the UK. The almost bit is because when you double tap on the button with the name of the sound, there is a button that is not labelled correctly. I found out double tapping it plays the sound. So you could use the new custom labelling feature to rename this button. It is located to the far right. What I'm trying to say is swipe twice to the right and you will see this button. Enjoy! <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sun Nov 13 14:00:09 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:00:09 +0000 Subject: 140 Sound Effects Ringtones High Quality In-Reply-To: <0B53E558-3E6C-4A70-AA9C-DE12C12CE601@mac-access.net> References: <4EBFBDCE.70604@techno-chat.net> <0B53E558-3E6C-4A70-AA9C-DE12C12CE601@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4EBFCD69.1030409@techno-chat.net> Hmm that is the name of the app. Proof is I searched for soundy effects in the apps store and this was the second result. Maybe the subject is too long, so I will trim it for better readibility. On 13/11/2011 13:20, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: > Chris, > > You forgot to mention the name of the app? > > Take care, > > Lyn, Canelle& Epi > On Nov 13, 2011, at 1:53 PM, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> If you want lots of cool high quality sounds that you can have as ringtones, check out this almost fully accessible app. It is 69p here in the UK. The almost bit is because when you double tap on the button with the name of the sound, there is a button that is not labelled correctly. I found out double tapping it plays the sound. So you could use the new custom labelling feature to rename this button. It is located to the far right. What I'm trying to say is swipe twice to the right and you will see this button. >> Enjoy! >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > ********** > You can contact me in the following ways: > email: > helianthe at mac-access.net > msn: > lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com > skype: > micky-mac2010 > facebook: > www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 > Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From james.austin at mac-access.net Sun Nov 13 15:08:25 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:08:25 +0000 Subject: mac loosing connection to the wifi network when coming out of sleep mode In-Reply-To: <349A006F-A588-4D67-94B5-8F47E040387C@mac.com> References: <29BB0559-6B51-4A58-A3FB-B43A84C700EB@mac-access.net> <349A006F-A588-4D67-94B5-8F47E040387C@mac.com> Message-ID: <42CDC75D-7251-4418-904E-C0144A7A3148@mac-access.net> Hi Esther, I've just read your message. Thank you once again, for such an informative post. I feel so dumb, one of the first things i did when Lyn said she as having this issue, was to look in Network Preferences, but I missed the very thing you described. I did discover another possible fix, though yours is far better. Essentially, the suggestion was to navigate to /Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration, either through Terminal or by using the "Go To Folder" command in Finder Command+Shift+G and pasting the path into the edit field. The author then suggested removing all of the Preferences files from that location, after backing up your system or files first. If someone was to try this however, I would recommend copy the possible offending files to another location say the Desktop and then placing the originals in the Trash. That way, if anything goes wrong, you can simply replace the files. TC :) James removing all the Preferences files from that location, having backed up first. You can contact me in the following ways: E-Mail:james.austin at mac-access.net MSN: james.londonsw15 at gmail.com Skype: saulky1984 - if you'd like to share details, please let me know who you are when you send a request. Thank you On 13 Nov 2011, at 03:58, Esther wrote: > Hi Lyn and Kristeen, > > I'm not sure I have a solution for you if you only connect to one wifi network, but I can describe a generally recommended fix. Are you running Lion? The location profile is the name assigned to your network setup, and is probably set to "Automatic". If you navigate to the Apple menu on your menu bar (either VO-M or Control-F2 to move to the "Apple Menu"), then arrow down and press "L", you'll find the "Location" menu entry. Pressing your right arrow key will move you to the submenu, and you'll probably find your first entry is "Automatic" and is selected. If you arrow down the submenu, you'll find entries for any other location profiles you may have created, and if your press Command+Down arrow, you'll move to the end of the Location submenu, which should be the option to open "Network Preferences?". > > You can create different location profiles for different network setups -- for example, I have a separate one for my Father's Wi-Fi network. Or I have another profile named "Office" for the fixed IP ethernet connection at work. The usual fixes for the sorts of problems you are seeing is to create a new location profile for your network, in case the initial one has somehow been corrupted, and try using that instead to see whether the problem goes away. If you are losing the connection on the same network that you usually use, but only after your Mac goes to sleep, you can also try renewing the DHCP lease. > > Here's a link to a recent OS X Daily article that outlines the steps to take. They include applying all the latest software updates for Lion, and first resetting your router (just power cycle it). Then the suggestion is to try creating a new network location and renewing your DHCP lease. You can follow the instructions of the article to launch "System Preferences" from the Apple menu and select "Network", but I find it faster to simply navigate to the "Network Preferences?" option at the end of the "Location" submenu, since this will take you directly to the window you need without having to navigate more menus. > > The article is titled "Still Having Lion Wi-Fi Problems? This Solution Works": > http://osxdaily.com/2011/11/06/lion-wi-fi-problems-solution-mac/ > > Their suggestion is to create a new location profile for your network by clicking the icon to add a new network connection. My suggested version of how to do this: > > 1. Press VO-M or Control-F2 to move to the Apple Menu > 2. Arrow down and press "L" to move to the Location menu > 3. Right arrow to the > "Location" submenu (you should hear VoiceOver announce the first item, probably as "Automatic > " with a preceding check mark). > 4. Command+Down arrow or arrow down to "Network Preferences?" at the end of the Location submenu (you will pass the names of other location profiles if you have created any); then press either VO-Space or Return to open the "Network Preferences" menu of "System Preferences" > 5. On the "Network" pane, first unlock the lock button with your Admin password by using item chooser menu to go to the "Click the lock to make changes" button. Press VO-I for item chooser menu, then type "b u t", for a list of buttons, then type "l o c k" to locate the "Click to lock to make changes" button, and VO-Space twice (once to move to the button and a second time to click the button). > 6. In the Authentication dialog window that is brought up, you'll be in the password field. Type in your Admin password and press Return to unlock the button. > 7. Use item chooser menu (VO-I) again and type "a d d" to locate and move to the "Add Service" button. (Again, press VO-Space twice -- once to move to the button from the item chooser menu, and a second time to press the button). > 8. In the dialog window you'll be prompted to select the interface and enter a name for the new service. Set the pop up menu to "Airport" (which is probably the default), and type a name of your choice in the text box for the service name -- just something that is different from your existing location service name of "Automatic"). Then navigate to the "Create" button and press it (VO-Space). > 9. On the Network pane for the newly created service (announced in the pop up button following "Location" at the start of the pane), navigate to the "Advance?" button, and press it with VO-Space > 10. Navigate with VO-Right arrow to the "DNS" tab and select it with VO-Space. > 11. On the "DNS" tab navigate with VO-RIght arrow past the IP Address (if you continue to navigate, there will be a series of numbers for the IP Address, Subnet mask and router. They will all be groups of four numbers separated by periods.) Navigate to the button for "Renew DHCP Lease" and press it with VO-Space. > 12. Navigate back (VO-Left arrow) to make sure the fields for IP Address, Subnet mask, and Router contain numbers, since pressing the button to renew the DHCP lease will cause these fields to update. > 13. Once you have checked that these fields are populate, navigate to the "OK" button at the end of the pane (either with VO-Right arrow or by pressing VO-Fn-RIght Arrow to move to the end of the window) and press it with VO-Space. > 14. You might want to navigate to the "Click the lock to prevent further changes" button and lock it again (with VO-Space) before closing the Network window with Command-W. > > Read through the article at the linked URL, perform the updates, and see whether this helps. You'll now have two location profiles in your Location submenu under the Apple menu. See whether the new location profile behaves better. If it works, you can keep it and delete the old one. You will have to enter the password when you set up this location profile. > > Write back and let us know whether that helps. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > > On Nov 11, 2011, at 19:45, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: > >> Hi Esther, >> >> No I do not change location profiles, in fact I do not even know what that is. It just happens when I reopen the led in order to use my mac again after it's been to sleep. I only connect to one wifi network. >> >> Thanks for your email anyway. >> >> Lyn, Canelle & Epi >> >> On Nov 11, 2011, at 10:11 PM, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi Lyn, >>> >>> I can't suggest a fix, but I'll just ask if you use Wi-Fi and connect to different Wi-Fi sites without changing your location profile. What I've noticed is that if I changed my internet connection type several times, either by going between ethernet and Wi-Fi, or switching different Wi-Fi locations, without changing location profile, that the behavior you outline may occur if I've used my Mac laptop for some time without shutting down. (And incidentally, I've only seen this behavior with my 2010 MacBook Pro, and with a 2010 MacBook Air that I set up for someone else -- it never happened on my 2008 MacBook.) What is even odder, is that if I am using terminal I can connect out of my laptop with ssh. I just can't connect through Safari, and if Safari doesn't connect, my mail won't update. (I don't have to force quit Safari -- a simple quit will do, but I do have to reboot to get the network connection working again.) >>> >>> This doesn't seem to happen if I don't change my Wi-Fi source, or if I create a separate location profile for each different Wi-Fi connection and change location profiles. >>> >>> Maybe someone else on list can comment on a possible solution. >>> >>> HTH. Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> >>> On Nov 10, 2011, at 19:26, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote: >>> >>>> Hello listers, >>>> >>>> I am having strange problems with my mac here. Well, when I do not use my mac, I just put the led down and it goes to sleep. However, when I want to use my mac again, I am encountering strange problems. When my mac is out of sleep mode, I notice that the connection to my wifi network is lost. Obviously I reconnect to the network but even then I can't seem to be able to connect to the internet. the mail program does not retrieve mail and safari needs to be forced to quit every time. The only option I have is to restart my mac to get everything working again. Any ideas as to what is going on here and how to fix this weird issue? >>>> >>>> Thanks for any tips and feedback. >>>> >>>> Have a good one, >>>> >>>> Lyn, canelle & Epi >>>> >>>> ********** >>>> You can contact me in the following ways: >>>> email: >>>> helianthe at mac-access.net >>>> msn: >>>> lyn.bordeaux33 at gmail.com >>>> skype: >>>> micky-mac2010 >>>> facebook: >>>> www.facebook.com/lyn.bordeaux33 >>>> Please say who you are if asking to share details, thank you. >>>> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From weavermicha at googlemail.com Sun Nov 13 16:17:20 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:17:20 +0000 Subject: deleting music and photos from the i-phone Message-ID: <4ebfeb81.4256b40a.2ec3.ffff8d33@mx.google.com> i can remove apps from my i-phone but for some reason i cannot remove music and photos? i selected my music library in i-tunes, selected all the songs, pressed delete and when i exited i-tunes all the music i wanted rid of was still under music on the i-phone. i tried going into my i-phone as a separate drive to try and erase things that way including some photos and i cannot locate my i-phone as a drive outside of i-tunes. how do i get rid of things other than applications on the i-phone 4 either with or without the use of i-tunes on my macbook pro? i am running mac osx lion. even doing a double tap and hold on say an album in the music app doesn't appear to work. From jdawg1983 at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 16:23:06 2011 From: jdawg1983 at gmail.com (Joe Quinn) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:23:06 -0600 Subject: jawbone updator Message-ID: anyone have the jawbone updater program for mac? if so, can they send it to me? trying' to get it workni' on the mac, and, can't find the download link thing. :) thx! From james.austin at mac-access.net Sun Nov 13 16:23:43 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:23:43 +0000 Subject: deleting music and photos from the i-phone In-Reply-To: <4ebfeb81.4256b40a.2ec3.ffff8d33@mx.google.com> References: <4ebfeb81.4256b40a.2ec3.ffff8d33@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Michael, On 13 Nov 2011, at 16:17, michael weaver wrote: i can remove apps from my i-phone but for some reason i cannot remove music and photos? i selected my music library in i-tunes, selected all the songs, pressed delete and when i exited i-tunes all the music i wanted rid of was still under music on the i-phone. Unfortunately, it seems the only way to remove music from the iPhone is to plug the phone into the Mac and remove it from within iTunes itself. To do this try the following: 1. After plugging your iPhone into the Mac, locate your iPhone in the "sources" table of iTunes. 2. Navigate the "Music" tab and click on it. 3. You should find a table containing all the music that is currently on your device. If you interact with the individual album, you should find a checkbox. 4. Uncheck this box and then do the same for all other albums or songs. Unfortunately, this must be done individually for each item you want to remove. 5. Either navigate to the "Apply" button and click it, or bring up the "Item Chooser Menu" (VO+I) and type "apply" and press enter to locate it. 6. Once you've clicked the button, the syncing process will begin and when finished you should find that all of the music you chose to remove has gone. I tried going into my i-phone as a separate drive to try and erase things that way including some photos and i cannot locate my i-phone as a drive outside of i-tunes. Unfortunately, the iPhone and other IOS devices do not appear as external volumes outside of iTunes on Mac OS X. There is a third-party utility called "iExplorer" which should allow you to do what you want. I've never succeeded in getting it to work though. It was formally called "iPhone Explorer" and can be downloaded from here: http://www.macroplant.com/iexplorer/ HTH TC :) James > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From james.austin at mac-access.net Sun Nov 13 16:32:33 2011 From: james.austin at mac-access.net (James AUSTIN) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:32:33 +0000 Subject: Setting voice feedback In-Reply-To: <001501cca1bf$9164a760$b42df620$@net> References: <001501cca1bf$9164a760$b42df620$@net> Message-ID: Hi Catherine, On 13 Nov 2011, at 04:49, Catherine Golding wrote: > When I try to set my vvoice feedback to read "none" or "words only" it > doesn't seem to change. It just keeps reading each character as I type it. > How do I change it? > Are you changing your settings in the "VoiceOver Utility" (VO+F8) or by using the Verbosity keystroke (VO+V)? If you go into the "Verbosity" category of the VO Utility, you can set your desired options there. I think the Verbosity option changes settings on the fly. I've noticed something similar. It is not a constant feature, but occasionally, when I'm editing or reading something, VO will switch to reading characters, as if "QuickNav" is turned on. I've found that the only way to stop this is to turn QuickNav on and off by pressing the left and right arrow keys simultaneously. This seems to fix the issue for me. You could also try this. HTH TC :) James > > > Catherine Golding > > Olympia, Washington > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From blindman75 at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 16:47:12 2011 From: blindman75 at gmail.com (Shaun Oliver) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 03:17:12 +1030 Subject: garageband on IPhone. Message-ID: <4EBFF490.2030807@gmail.com> Hi all, I recently bought garageband for my IPhone4 and decided to give it a test drive. I have a few questions that I'd like answered if at all possible. how does one go about selecting the various instruments with Voiceover? and if I wanted to use the smart instruments, say, smart drums, how would I add each drum to the grid to create a pattern? any help would be greatly appreciated as I feel this would take the home studio to a whole new level. Thanks in advance. Shaun From opensesame at me.com Sun Nov 13 16:50:12 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:50:12 -0500 Subject: database for i phone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <97E21858-B1C0-4CBF-98A4-F315BFDABA33@me.com> What many of us might normally refer to as a database is referred to as a "Library" in Bento-speak. I'm guessing this choice of words comes from the fact that Bento is the low-end sibling of the Filemaker relational database package where a database is made up of a number of libraries. Bento is a simple flat-file application where libraries are not linked. To add a new library using the Bento for iPhone app, go to the Bento Home screen by tapping the button labeled "Home" in the bottom left corner of the app, and then tap the button misleadingly labeled "RecordAdd" in the bottom right corner of the screen. You can learn about adding libraries by reading the help topic called "Working with Libraries." I find the Bento Mac and iPhone apps to be very helpful and quite VO friendly, although the Mac version is imperfect and tends to flake out with VO more often than some other apps. The PDF version of the Bento for Mac user guide is one of the few PDF documents that I found to be truly navigable in Preview. It is a very good beginner's guide to Bento for Mac, but for more advanced work you'll need to scour the web. I have not used their templates, but there is a hole community that creates templates and makes them available through what they call the Bento Template Exchange, which is linked from their website. HTH, Bryan On Nov 12, 2011, at 9:15 PM, krystal watson wrote: > can i add other databases how do i use them i broght both the mac and i o s version looks complacated from my first look but i will get used to it i am sure > On 13/11/2011, at 3:41 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: > >> I use Bento for iPhone and iTouch. It costs US $4.99. It is fully VO accessible and can sync with Bento for Mac and Bento for iPad if you also use those products. You can select a field and sort ascending or descending. It can also be used to manage your contacts, tasks and calendar in a tabular format that I sometimes find preferable to the interface of those native apps. I keep meaning to add a review to applevis, but.... Maybe this weekend. >> >> The Help button within Bento presents a thorough, if somewhat awkwardly organized, set of instructions for using the app. You can also view the help from any web browser by going to the following URL: >> http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/7215/~/bento-for-iphone-and-ipod-touch-help >> >> Here's a link to Bento in the US iTunes App Store: >> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bento/id314638461?mt=8 >> >> HTH, >> Bryan >> >> On Nov 12, 2011, at 4:16 AM, krystal watson wrote: >> >>> was wondering if its possible to or if there is a app out there so you can list your dvds and it will put them in a list in aphabetical order like the braille note has i like the one on that but the i phone is much smaller pluss my mum and dad can read and use the i phone to see what dvds i have if there was a database maniger any help would be nice thanks >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From cfgolding at comcast.net Sun Nov 13 17:02:43 2011 From: cfgolding at comcast.net (Catherine Golding) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:02:43 -0800 Subject: Thanks Message-ID: <000001cca226$0fa23f50$2ee6bdf0$@net> I would like to thank everyone who has been so helpful to me in my adventure into the Mac OS. I'm a good Jaws user and Windows user, but this is like starting over-almost. And thanks for the list being here. Catherine Golding Olympia, Washington From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 17:47:52 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:47:52 -0800 Subject: Thanks In-Reply-To: <000001cca226$0fa23f50$2ee6bdf0$@net> References: <000001cca226$0fa23f50$2ee6bdf0$@net> Message-ID: <27A91E6F-1945-4CEF-BB98-FBD01BD250F1@gmail.com> lol. For me it was nothing but patterns. Once I recognized those I was good to go and was using the mac almost flawlessly with in about 24 hours. How did I do this/ I took it to class and took notes and just used it. I had some issues at first but they were resolved in a few days once I got the concept down pat. I"m glad you are enjoying your mac and keep going with it. It is a nice tool to have. On Nov 13, 2011, at 9:02 AM, Catherine Golding wrote: > I would like to thank everyone who has been so helpful to me in my > adventure into the Mac OS. I'm a good Jaws user and Windows user, but this > is like starting over-almost. And thanks for the list being here. > > > > Catherine Golding > > Olympia, Washington > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 17:50:10 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:50:10 -0800 Subject: new labeling system Was RE: 140 Sound Effects Ringtones High Quality, or Sound EFX In-Reply-To: <003701cca208$028e9ac0$07abd040$@gmail.com> References: <003701cca208$028e9ac0$07abd040$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <30323B40-C5F4-45FD-B82A-AD973DAC1EC3@gmail.com> I don't like the new labeling system. I did it on my podcast and spent about 5 minutes labeling things and when I came back to the app the labels were gone. I did hit the save button with no joy. They worked until I opened the app the next time. This hapens in all apps btw. Take care all. Sarah Alawami MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Nov 13, 2011, at 5:27 AM, Bubba wrote: > > Ok, yes this new labeling feature is nice but I think we should remember to > write the developers and let them know as well that the buttons is not label > in the app as so that Vo can read them. This is a great feature to get us by > to make apps more accessible and user friendly but we must still advocate > for accessibility and especially simple things like labeling a button to > where Vo can read it. If we stop doing this I am afraid that the developers > are going to shove it off on us and apple to make apps accessible and user > friendly instead of them doing what they should do from the get go. JMO ! > > Bubba > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of chris hallsworth > Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:54 AM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: 140 Sound Effects Ringtones High Quality, or Sound EFX > > If you want lots of cool high quality sounds that you can have as ringtones, > check out this almost fully accessible app. It is 69p here in the UK. The > almost bit is because when you double tap on the button with the name of the > sound, there is a button that is not labelled correctly. > I found out double tapping it plays the sound. So you could use the new > custom labelling feature to rename this button. It is located to the far > right. What I'm trying to say is swipe twice to the right and you will see > this button. > Enjoy! > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sun Nov 13 18:22:05 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:22:05 +0000 Subject: new labeling system Was RE: 140 Sound Effects Ringtones High Quality, or Sound EFX In-Reply-To: <30323B40-C5F4-45FD-B82A-AD973DAC1EC3@gmail.com> References: <003701cca208$028e9ac0$07abd040$@gmail.com> <30323B40-C5F4-45FD-B82A-AD973DAC1EC3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EC00ACD.3000905@techno-chat.net> And did you write to Apple about this? On 13/11/2011 17:50, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I don't like the new labeling system. I did it on my podcast and spent about 5 minutes labeling things and when I came back to the app the labels were gone. I did hit the save button with no joy. They worked until I opened the app the next time. This hapens in all apps btw. > > Take care all. > > Sarah Alawami > MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com > website: http://music.marrie.org > Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast > youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 > > On Nov 13, 2011, at 5:27 AM, Bubba wrote: > >> >> Ok, yes this new labeling feature is nice but I think we should remember to >> write the developers and let them know as well that the buttons is not label >> in the app as so that Vo can read them. This is a great feature to get us by >> to make apps more accessible and user friendly but we must still advocate >> for accessibility and especially simple things like labeling a button to >> where Vo can read it. If we stop doing this I am afraid that the developers >> are going to shove it off on us and apple to make apps accessible and user >> friendly instead of them doing what they should do from the get go. JMO ! >> >> Bubba >> bubbathegeek at gmail.com >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of chris hallsworth >> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:54 AM >> To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility >> Subject: 140 Sound Effects Ringtones High Quality, or Sound EFX >> >> If you want lots of cool high quality sounds that you can have as ringtones, >> check out this almost fully accessible app. It is 69p here in the UK. The >> almost bit is because when you double tap on the button with the name of the >> sound, there is a button that is not labelled correctly. >> I found out double tapping it plays the sound. So you could use the new >> custom labelling feature to rename this button. It is located to the far >> right. What I'm trying to say is swipe twice to the right and you will see >> this button. >> Enjoy! >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >> the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 18:28:59 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 10:28:59 -0800 Subject: new labeling system Was RE: 140 Sound Effects Ringtones High Quality, or Sound EFX In-Reply-To: <4EC00ACD.3000905@techno-chat.net> References: <003701cca208$028e9ac0$07abd040$@gmail.com> <30323B40-C5F4-45FD-B82A-AD973DAC1EC3@gmail.com> <4EC00ACD.3000905@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <5F7DFA82-B560-49BE-9333-18331617C660@gmail.com> yeah, about 2 months ago. lol! and no fix. I'll try again though it doesn't hurt. On Nov 13, 2011, at 10:22 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: > And did you write to Apple about this? > > On 13/11/2011 17:50, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> I don't like the new labeling system. I did it on my podcast and spent about 5 minutes labeling things and when I came back to the app the labels were gone. I did hit the save button with no joy. They worked until I opened the app the next time. This hapens in all apps btw. >> >> Take care all. >> >> Sarah Alawami >> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >> website: http://music.marrie.org >> Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast >> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >> >> On Nov 13, 2011, at 5:27 AM, Bubba wrote: >> >>> >>> Ok, yes this new labeling feature is nice but I think we should remember to >>> write the developers and let them know as well that the buttons is not label >>> in the app as so that Vo can read them. This is a great feature to get us by >>> to make apps more accessible and user friendly but we must still advocate >>> for accessibility and especially simple things like labeling a button to >>> where Vo can read it. If we stop doing this I am afraid that the developers >>> are going to shove it off on us and apple to make apps accessible and user >>> friendly instead of them doing what they should do from the get go. JMO ! >>> >>> Bubba >>> bubbathegeek at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >>> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of chris hallsworth >>> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:54 AM >>> To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility >>> Subject: 140 Sound Effects Ringtones High Quality, or Sound EFX >>> >>> If you want lots of cool high quality sounds that you can have as ringtones, >>> check out this almost fully accessible app. It is 69p here in the UK. The >>> almost bit is because when you double tap on the button with the name of the >>> sound, there is a button that is not labelled correctly. >>> I found out double tapping it plays the sound. So you could use the new >>> custom labelling feature to rename this button. It is located to the far >>> right. What I'm trying to say is swipe twice to the right and you will see >>> this button. >>> Enjoy! >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>> and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>> the list website at: >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sun Nov 13 18:44:27 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:44:27 +0000 Subject: 140 Sound Effects Ringtones High Quality, or Sound EFX Message-ID: <4EC0100B.3090605@techno-chat.net> Ok I am re-sending it so that the name of the app is in the message. Sorry for any confusion caused. If you want lots of cool high quality sounds that you can have as ringtones, check out 140 Sound Effects Ringtones High Quality. This is an almost fully accessible app. It is 69p here in the UK. The almost bit is because when you double tap on the button with the name of the sound, there is a button that is not labelled correctly. I found out double tapping it plays the sound. So you could use the new custom labelling feature to rename this button. It is located to the far right. What I'm trying to say is swipe twice to the right and you will see this button. Enjoy! From support at mac-access.net Sun Nov 13 18:53:34 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon & Lynne) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:53:34 +0000 Subject: New Member Welcome Message-ID: <5E73C3B9-FE79-4B85-83D1-0D958A51C71F@mac-access.net> Hello everybody It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome: Shaun Oliver to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but have a keen interest. We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope this clarifies the position. If you have any list-related queries, please do not hesitate to contact either Gordon and myself, (the list owners), at , or one of our very capable assistant list controllers; Anne Robertson, or James Austin, and we will be happy to help you. Once again, a very warm welcome to the group. We hope you find your membership an enjoyable experience. Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog-alpha Lynne From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Sun Nov 13 19:06:59 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:06:59 -0500 Subject: Trash refuses to empty Message-ID: <1C7A27A1-F3F8-4D5E-AA92-EE1C4747818D@Mac-Access.net> Hello helpful listers, For several months now I have not been able to get my trash to completely empty. Now things seem even worse. When I now attempt to empty my trash I'm asked if I want to delete unlocked or all items. No matter what I choose the next message that comes up is, "The operation can?t be completed because the item ?2011-09-19-163521.inProgress? is in use." This happens even after I restart my mac book and have not opened a program. This is a new problem as in the past I could at least empty the unlocked items. Suggestions would be greatly appreciated! eRic Caron From jdawg1983 at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 20:20:36 2011 From: jdawg1983 at gmail.com (joe quinn) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:20:36 -0600 Subject: jambox and web site? Message-ID: <1F32D27F45154338BC9A8F283FEFF464@joseph1> despite Lynn's saying so, her review of the jambox, isn't in the archives, either that, or i can't find it. I need to know how to get the jawbone update thing for the Mac, as i can't click on download option. help? From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 20:49:48 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:49:48 -0800 Subject: Trash refuses to empty In-Reply-To: <1C7A27A1-F3F8-4D5E-AA92-EE1C4747818D@Mac-Access.net> References: <1C7A27A1-F3F8-4D5E-AA92-EE1C4747818D@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: Can you empty trash in a test account? I know there probably something you can reset in your real account but I forgot what it was. I saw a discussion about this months ago but like a dumb person I forgot to keep the thing. lol! good luck. On Nov 13, 2011, at 11:06 AM, Eric Caron wrote: > Hello helpful listers, > > For several months now I have not been able to get my trash to completely empty. Now things seem even worse. When I now attempt to empty my trash I'm asked if I want to delete unlocked or all items. No matter what I choose the next message that comes up is, > > "The operation can?t be completed because the item ?2011-09-19-163521.inProgress? is in use." > > This happens even after I restart my mac book and have not opened a program. > > This is a new problem as in the past I could at least empty the unlocked items. > > Suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > > eRic Caron > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Sun Nov 13 21:18:49 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:18:49 -1000 Subject: Remove the Time Machine backup file in your Trash with a terminal command [was Re: Trash refuses to empty] In-Reply-To: <1C7A27A1-F3F8-4D5E-AA92-EE1C4747818D@Mac-Access.net> References: <1C7A27A1-F3F8-4D5E-AA92-EE1C4747818D@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: Hi Eric, From the file name you mentioned in your system message, the problematic file is a Time Machine backup file that was moved to the trash in the middle of its backup activity, and the reason that you are having difficulty getting your Trash to empty completely is that your Mac considers this to be file that is still open by an active process. The default behavior is not to let you empty the Trash when such files are still open and being worked on by active applications, because this could potentially be something you want to keep -- or else why wouldn't you have closed the application? The instances where this kind of behavior can be confusing include when you are trying to eject a volume or shutdown, when you're told it is still active or a file is in use, or when something is being accessed by Time Machine backups, since it's easy to forget that this process may be running in the background. In the first case, which usually happens when you mount a USB memory stick and either navigate into folders because you want to transfer files between the memory stick and your computer, the solution is to check your Finder windows to make sure you're not in a folder or sub-directory of the device you're trying to eject. As long as you're in the file structure, even if you're not actively playing an MP3 file or quick looking a file, or editing text on the mounted volume, that device is considered to be "in use" and can't be ejected, so either close that Finder window or navigate up to the top level of the device with Command+Up arrow. In the case of your Time Machine backup, it sounds as though you "deleted" a .InProgress file by moving it into the Trash, but can't empty the Trash because the file is on an attached disk drive. You'll need to open Terminal, and use the command line "cd" command to change to your Time Machine drive, then use the "rm" command to remove your ".Trashes" file. Depending on how the drive is set up, and the response you get to trying to do these commands, you may also have to first change the permissions in the directory so that you can remove the files with a "chmod" command. Travis, or someone else familiar with the permissions status of these files can probably assist you if you run into a glitch here. I"d try something like the following: 1. Open a Terminal window. (I keep Terminal in my dock, but you can launch it from Finder by pressing Command-Shift-U to move to your Utilities folder, then press "T" to navigate to "Terminal", and Command+Down Arrow to launch the app). 2. In Terminal, type: cd /Volumes/ and press Return after typing the line. You need to type the name of your Time Machine drive. An easy way to do this is to navigate to your Computer in a Finder window by pressing Command-Shift-C. Then navigate to the entry for your Time Machine volume, and press Command-C to copy the path to that location. Command-Tab back to the Terminal window, type: "cd" (without quotation marks) at the start of the line, press space bar, then press Command-V to paste in the path to your Time Machine drive, then press Return. The command line might look like: cd /Volumes/Time\ Machine Then, on the next line, type either: rm -rf .Trashes followed by a press of the Return key, or else sudo rm -rf .Trashes followed by a press of the Return key. I suspect that you may have to use the second line, which requires you to supply your Admin password with superuser privileges in response to the prompt. It should take a short time to remove the file, depending on how large the backup file was. I don't have a system that I can run a test check right now, so someone else may be able to fill in the details. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 13, 2011, at 09:06, Eric Caron wrote: > Hello helpful listers, > > For several months now I have not been able to get my trash to completely empty. Now things seem even worse. When I now attempt to empty my trash I'm asked if I want to delete unlocked or all items. No matter what I choose the next message that comes up is, > > "The operation can?t be completed because the item ?2011-09-19-163521.inProgress? is in use." > > This happens even after I restart my mac book and have not opened a program. > > This is a new problem as in the past I could at least empty the unlocked items. > > Suggestions would be greatly appreciated! > > eRic Caron From opensesame at me.com Sun Nov 13 22:48:56 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:48:56 -0500 Subject: A comparison of IOS 5.01 update file size when using the traditional iTunes update versus the new OTA update method Message-ID: Hello All, Thought I'd post these findings for any other folks who might be working with limited bandwidth. The difference in download size is significant and the reasons are well-explained on the web if you're interested in such things. The download size was 790 MB when I updated my iPhone 4 from IOS 5 to IOS 5.01 using the old method of connecting it to my Mac, checking for available updates in iTunes, and allowing iTunes to download and update the phone. The download size was only 39 MB when I used the new OTA method to update my iPad from IOS 5 to IOS 5.01. Very nice indeed! Bryan From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 22:59:30 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:59:30 -0800 Subject: A comparison of IOS 5.01 update file size when using the traditional iTunes update versus the new OTA update method In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5BE6815F-49BC-4B17-B8C1-E75A2A96F2BD@gmail.com> The reason beeing that the phoen only downloads what you need instead of the whole thing. I still though download a back up copy just in case I need to restore. YOu still need to be on wirif for the download to take place though. On Nov 13, 2011, at 2:48 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hello All, > > Thought I'd post these findings for any other folks who might be working with limited bandwidth. The difference in download size is significant and the reasons are well-explained on the web if you're interested in such things. > > The download size was 790 MB when I updated my iPhone 4 from IOS 5 to IOS 5.01 using the old method of connecting it to my Mac, checking for available updates in iTunes, and allowing iTunes to download and update the phone. > > The download size was only 39 MB when I used the new OTA method to update my iPad from IOS 5 to IOS 5.01. > > Very nice indeed! > Bryan > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Sun Nov 13 23:38:08 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 23:38:08 +0000 Subject: new labeling system Was RE: 140 Sound Effects Ringtones High Quality, or Sound EFX In-Reply-To: <5F7DFA82-B560-49BE-9333-18331617C660@gmail.com> References: <003701cca208$028e9ac0$07abd040$@gmail.com> <30323B40-C5F4-45FD-B82A-AD973DAC1EC3@gmail.com> <4EC00ACD.3000905@techno-chat.net> <5F7DFA82-B560-49BE-9333-18331617C660@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EC054E0.9040203@techno-chat.net> You need to keep at it with them otherwise what is the point from their point of view of fixing it? On 13/11/2011 18:28, Sarah Alawami wrote: > yeah, about 2 months ago. lol! and no fix. I'll try again though it doesn't hurt. > On Nov 13, 2011, at 10:22 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> And did you write to Apple about this? >> >> On 13/11/2011 17:50, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> I don't like the new labeling system. I did it on my podcast and spent about 5 minutes labeling things and when I came back to the app the labels were gone. I did hit the save button with no joy. They worked until I opened the app the next time. This hapens in all apps btw. >>> >>> Take care all. >>> >>> Sarah Alawami >>> MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com >>> website: http://music.marrie.org >>> Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast >>> youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 >>> >>> On Nov 13, 2011, at 5:27 AM, Bubba wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Ok, yes this new labeling feature is nice but I think we should remember to >>>> write the developers and let them know as well that the buttons is not label >>>> in the app as so that Vo can read them. This is a great feature to get us by >>>> to make apps more accessible and user friendly but we must still advocate >>>> for accessibility and especially simple things like labeling a button to >>>> where Vo can read it. If we stop doing this I am afraid that the developers >>>> are going to shove it off on us and apple to make apps accessible and user >>>> friendly instead of them doing what they should do from the get go. JMO ! >>>> >>>> Bubba >>>> bubbathegeek at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >>>> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of chris hallsworth >>>> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:54 AM >>>> To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility >>>> Subject: 140 Sound Effects Ringtones High Quality, or Sound EFX >>>> >>>> If you want lots of cool high quality sounds that you can have as ringtones, >>>> check out this almost fully accessible app. It is 69p here in the UK. The >>>> almost bit is because when you double tap on the button with the name of the >>>> sound, there is a button that is not labelled correctly. >>>> I found out double tapping it plays the sound. So you could use the new >>>> custom labelling feature to rename this button. It is located to the far >>>> right. What I'm trying to say is swipe twice to the right and you will see >>>> this button. >>>> Enjoy! >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at >>>> either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >>>> and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting >>>> the list website at: >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From marrie12 at gmail.com Sun Nov 13 23:41:29 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:41:29 -0800 Subject: creating shortcuts to the settings section with out a jb Message-ID: Well here on app advice some stuff are discussed like creating shortcuts to the settings or parts there in with out a jb. Here's the link that explains how to do that. http://onj.me/1ol From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 00:35:14 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:35:14 -0500 Subject: Visual appearance of and interaction with the notification center? Message-ID: My Mother is migrated, so my next question is how to tell her to open notification center? She isn't a VO user, hence the method I know is inapplicable. Also,, is there some kind of visual indicator that there are new notifications? On mine, the new voice mails and text messages pop up, but some items are not shown unless I open notification center. BTW, thanks Bryan for the link. It was just a matter of installing the latest iTunes, backing up the 3GS and restoring it to the 4S. Of course since it takes her a half hour to agree to any terms and conditions dialog it was still quite a chore, and needless to say, wi-fi sync is going to wait!! Best regards. Geoff From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Nov 14 00:48:40 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:48:40 +1100 Subject: Audio Review/Demo of the Jawbone Jambox Message-ID: <4EC06568.8060801@internode.on.net> For those who are either thinking of purchasing or who own one of these devices then I'm sure they'll find the review from the page at most helpful. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia skype callto:grtdane12 MSN: grtdane at dane-trethowan.net From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Mon Nov 14 01:07:59 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 20:07:59 -0500 Subject: Remove the Time Machine backup file in your Trash with a terminal command [was Re: Trash refuses to empty] In-Reply-To: References: <1C7A27A1-F3F8-4D5E-AA92-EE1C4747818D@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: Esther and others, I've never liked the idea of using something called "Terminal" It sounds way too final and almost deadly! But despite my fear I'm willing to try to do this as I'm sure Esther has discovered my problem. I have tried to follow the directions but as this is my first Terminal experience I have not yet met success. I went to terminal and ran the program. I hoped I was in the correct spot and typed the first line. I then typed the second line using the one that started with sudo I entered my password and hit return a third time nothing seemed to happen. I'm wondering if I'm understanding how to get the correct path name. My time machine is simply called "My time Machine" here is what I typed once Terminal was opened cd /Volumes/My Time Machine sudo rm -rf .Trashes I then pressed return and entered my pass word. I pressed return again and nothing seemed to happen. I'm sure I'm not doing something simple that I don't know as a new Terminal user. I'm very happy That Esther identified my problem though. Eric Caron On Nov 13, 2011, at 4:18 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Eric, > > From the file name you mentioned in your system message, the problematic file is a Time Machine backup file that was moved to the trash in the middle of its backup activity, and the reason that you are having difficulty getting your Trash to empty completely is that your Mac considers this to be file that is still open by an active process. The default behavior is not to let you empty the Trash when such files are still open and being worked on by active applications, because this could potentially be something you want to keep -- or else why wouldn't you have closed the application? > > The instances where this kind of behavior can be confusing include when you are trying to eject a volume or shutdown, when you're told it is still active or a file is in use, or when something is being accessed by Time Machine backups, since it's easy to forget that this process may be running in the background. In the first case, which usually happens when you mount a USB memory stick and either navigate into folders because you want to transfer files between the memory stick and your computer, the solution is to check your Finder windows to make sure you're not in a folder or sub-directory of the device you're trying to eject. As long as you're in the file structure, even if you're not actively playing an MP3 file or quick looking a file, or editing text on the mounted volume, that device is considered to be "in use" and can't be ejected, so either close that Finder window or navigate up to the top level of the device with Command+Up arrow. > > In the case of your Time Machine backup, it sounds as though you "deleted" a .InProgress file by moving it into the Trash, but can't empty the Trash because the file is on an attached disk drive. You'll need to open Terminal, and use the command line "cd" command to change to your Time Machine drive, then use the "rm" command to remove your ".Trashes" file. Depending on how the drive is set up, and the response you get to trying to do these commands, you may also have to first change the permissions in the directory so that you can remove the files with a "chmod" command. Travis, or someone else familiar with the permissions status of these files can probably assist you if you run into a glitch here. > > I"d try something like the following: > 1. Open a Terminal window. (I keep Terminal in my dock, but you can launch it from Finder by pressing Command-Shift-U to move to your Utilities folder, then press "T" to navigate to "Terminal", and Command+Down Arrow to launch the app). > 2. In Terminal, type: > cd /Volumes/ > and press Return after typing the line. You need to type the name of your Time Machine drive. An easy way to do this is to navigate to your Computer in a Finder window by pressing Command-Shift-C. Then navigate to the entry for your Time Machine volume, and press Command-C to copy the path to that location. Command-Tab back to the Terminal window, type: > "cd" (without quotation marks) at the start of the line, press space bar, then press Command-V to paste in the path to your Time Machine drive, then press Return. The command line might look like: > cd /Volumes/Time\ Machine > > Then, on the next line, type either: > rm -rf .Trashes > followed by a press of the Return key, or else > sudo rm -rf .Trashes > followed by a press of the Return key. > > I suspect that you may have to use the second line, which requires you to supply your Admin password with superuser privileges in response to the prompt. > > It should take a short time to remove the file, depending on how large the backup file was. I don't have a system that I can run a test check right now, so someone else may be able to fill in the details. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > > On Nov 13, 2011, at 09:06, Eric Caron wrote: > >> Hello helpful listers, >> >> For several months now I have not been able to get my trash to completely empty. Now things seem even worse. When I now attempt to empty my trash I'm asked if I want to delete unlocked or all items. No matter what I choose the next message that comes up is, >> >> "The operation can?t be completed because the item ?2011-09-19-163521.inProgress? is in use." >> >> This happens even after I restart my mac book and have not opened a program. >> >> This is a new problem as in the past I could at least empty the unlocked items. >> >> Suggestions would be greatly appreciated! >> >> eRic Caron > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 01:24:00 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:24:00 -0800 Subject: Remove the Time Machine backup file in your Trash with a terminal command [was Re: Trash refuses to empty] In-Reply-To: References: <1C7A27A1-F3F8-4D5E-AA92-EE1C4747818D@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <169E3E0D-41F5-4C3A-9152-1166E223922D@gmail.com> Acutlaly if you hit enter and no prompt comes up you usually did it correctly. Try em[tying yoru trash to see if it solved the problem. I suck at using the terminal but all it is is something like a dos prompt. if you can think of it that way you should be fine. Take care. On Nov 13, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > Esther and others, > > I've never liked the idea of using something called "Terminal" It sounds way too final and almost deadly! But despite my fear I'm willing to try to do this as I'm sure Esther has discovered my problem. > > I have tried to follow the directions but as this is my first Terminal experience I have not yet met success. > > I went to terminal and ran the program. > I hoped I was in the correct spot and typed the first line. > I then typed the second line using the one that started with sudo > I entered my password and hit return a third time > > nothing seemed to happen. > > I'm wondering if I'm understanding how to get the correct path name. > > My time machine is simply called "My time Machine" > > here is what I typed once Terminal was opened > cd /Volumes/My Time Machine > sudo rm -rf .Trashes > > I then pressed return and entered my pass word. I pressed return again and nothing seemed to happen. > > I'm sure I'm not doing something simple that I don't know as a new Terminal user. > > > I'm very happy That Esther identified my problem though. > > Eric Caron > On Nov 13, 2011, at 4:18 PM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Eric, >> >> From the file name you mentioned in your system message, the problematic file is a Time Machine backup file that was moved to the trash in the middle of its backup activity, and the reason that you are having difficulty getting your Trash to empty completely is that your Mac considers this to be file that is still open by an active process. The default behavior is not to let you empty the Trash when such files are still open and being worked on by active applications, because this could potentially be something you want to keep -- or else why wouldn't you have closed the application? >> >> The instances where this kind of behavior can be confusing include when you are trying to eject a volume or shutdown, when you're told it is still active or a file is in use, or when something is being accessed by Time Machine backups, since it's easy to forget that this process may be running in the background. In the first case, which usually happens when you mount a USB memory stick and either navigate into folders because you want to transfer files between the memory stick and your computer, the solution is to check your Finder windows to make sure you're not in a folder or sub-directory of the device you're trying to eject. As long as you're in the file structure, even if you're not actively playing an MP3 file or quick looking a file, or editing text on the mounted volume, that device is considered to be "in use" and can't be ejected, so either close that Finder window or navigate up to the top level of the device with Command+Up arrow. >> >> In the case of your Time Machine backup, it sounds as though you "deleted" a .InProgress file by moving it into the Trash, but can't empty the Trash because the file is on an attached disk drive. You'll need to open Terminal, and use the command line "cd" command to change to your Time Machine drive, then use the "rm" command to remove your ".Trashes" file. Depending on how the drive is set up, and the response you get to trying to do these commands, you may also have to first change the permissions in the directory so that you can remove the files with a "chmod" command. Travis, or someone else familiar with the permissions status of these files can probably assist you if you run into a glitch here. >> >> I"d try something like the following: >> 1. Open a Terminal window. (I keep Terminal in my dock, but you can launch it from Finder by pressing Command-Shift-U to move to your Utilities folder, then press "T" to navigate to "Terminal", and Command+Down Arrow to launch the app). >> 2. In Terminal, type: >> cd /Volumes/ >> and press Return after typing the line. You need to type the name of your Time Machine drive. An easy way to do this is to navigate to your Computer in a Finder window by pressing Command-Shift-C. Then navigate to the entry for your Time Machine volume, and press Command-C to copy the path to that location. Command-Tab back to the Terminal window, type: >> "cd" (without quotation marks) at the start of the line, press space bar, then press Command-V to paste in the path to your Time Machine drive, then press Return. The command line might look like: >> cd /Volumes/Time\ Machine >> >> Then, on the next line, type either: >> rm -rf .Trashes >> followed by a press of the Return key, or else >> sudo rm -rf .Trashes >> followed by a press of the Return key. >> >> I suspect that you may have to use the second line, which requires you to supply your Admin password with superuser privileges in response to the prompt. >> >> It should take a short time to remove the file, depending on how large the backup file was. I don't have a system that I can run a test check right now, so someone else may be able to fill in the details. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> >> On Nov 13, 2011, at 09:06, Eric Caron wrote: >> >>> Hello helpful listers, >>> >>> For several months now I have not been able to get my trash to completely empty. Now things seem even worse. When I now attempt to empty my trash I'm asked if I want to delete unlocked or all items. No matter what I choose the next message that comes up is, >>> >>> "The operation can?t be completed because the item ?2011-09-19-163521.inProgress? is in use." >>> >>> This happens even after I restart my mac book and have not opened a program. >>> >>> This is a new problem as in the past I could at least empty the unlocked items. >>> >>> Suggestions would be greatly appreciated! >>> >>> eRic Caron >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From cfgolding at comcast.net Mon Nov 14 03:37:35 2011 From: cfgolding at comcast.net (Catherine Golding) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 19:37:35 -0800 Subject: Moving apps to the doc Message-ID: <004f01cca27e$bff44ee0$3fdceca0$@net> How do I move apps from the Utility folder-like Terminal, for example-to my doc? Catherine Golding Olympia, Washington From moriond at mac.com Mon Nov 14 03:47:34 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:47:34 -1000 Subject: Remove the Time Machine backup file in your Trash with a terminal command [was Re: Trash refuses to empty] In-Reply-To: <169E3E0D-41F5-4C3A-9152-1166E223922D@gmail.com> References: <1C7A27A1-F3F8-4D5E-AA92-EE1C4747818D@Mac-Access.net> <169E3E0D-41F5-4C3A-9152-1166E223922D@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Eric, This is going to take a little testing on my part, and reviewing the Preferences setups you should have for Terminal to hear things spoken with VoiceOver, but first let me ask whether your TIme Machine disk is currently mounted. If, under Finder, you can use the Command-Shift-G "Go to Folder" shortcut, and type in: /Volumes/My Time Machine then press Return, and be placed in the top level of your Time Machine volume, then under the Terminal Application you would type either: cd /Volumes/My\ Time\ Machine with backslashes added before each space in the name of your volume, before you press Return, or else you need to enclose the entire path name inside quotation marks like this: cd "/Volumes/My Time Machine" and then press return for the first command. You may find it easier to just put quotation marks around the name of your Time Machine volume. Terminal is like DOS command line. The reason that you need to either put quotation marks around your path name if it includes spaces, or precede every space inside the name of the path with a backslash character, is that terms separated by spaces are treated as different arguments or parameters in a command. Without the quotation marks or backslashes, your "cd" command to change your current directory would be interpreted as a request to change to a mounted volume named "My", since there would be a space after the first word. When the command is executed, I'll hear VoiceOver say "newline Apples-MacBook-Pro:~ esther$" for the prompt, if this hasn't been redefined. You correctly typed the second command as: sudo rm -rf .Trashes I have my Terminal preferences set up so that when I launch this application with VoiceOver on, VoiceOver reads the response prompt from Terminal. Sarah is correct that when there is no new response prompt, Terminal has usually just executed your command. However, if I precede a command by typing "sudo", I should certainly get a command line prompt in return for "Password:" before the command is executed, because the "sudo" command means that I want to execute the command with superuser privileges. I won't be allowed to proceed without supplying a password that authorizes me to do this. I don't hear my password echoed as I type it. When the shell executes my command, I'll hear the default prompt back of "newline Apples-MacBook-Pro:~ esther$" (I'm doing this in an account where the default prompt has not been reset; most VoiceOver users who work in Terminal a lot will customize their prompt in the shell so they don't have to listen to all that every time they type a command.) I'll have to check the setup parameters that Travis gave in his "Hints on using Terminal" post last October. However, what you can do is try typing: rm -rf .Trashes followed by a press of the Return key in Terminal for your second command, and then check in your Trash to see if your problem file is removed. I'm guessing that you need your Admin user privileges to remove it, though, which is why we're using Terminal. The command line interface gives you the ability to execute commands that you can't usually run from the GUI interface. And the first time you type in a "sudo" command, the shell will probably respond with a warning message that asks you whether you are sure you want to do this. Let me do some checking and get back to you. Maybe somebody else can make suggestions. D?nal probably routinely teaches this sort of setup to his students. I have a link saved to the post Travis wrote about setting up Terminal last October, but it's really long, and he goes through absolutely every Window. I suspect that you only need to change a few settings under the "Settings" category of Terminal Preferences in order to make your changes -- mainly on the "Advanced" tab of the Settings where you change the Terminal emulation to "vt100", and the boxes for "Paste new lines as carriage returns" and "Scroll to bottom on input" checked. I think you may have to restart your machine, or at least quit Terminal and restart it to have the new settings take effect. If Travis Siegel, Jon Cohn, or D?nal are on line, one of them can probably give much better instructions about this than I can! Or James may remember the Terminal preference settings setup for VoiceOver. If you're interested, this is the link to Travis' (very long) "Hints on using terminal" post: http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/2010/004769.html HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 13, 2011, at 15:24, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Acutlaly if you hit enter and no prompt comes up you usually did it correctly. Try em[tying yoru trash to see if it solved the problem. I suck at using the terminal but all it is is something like a dos prompt. if you can think of it that way you should be fine. > > Take care. > On Nov 13, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Eric Caron wrote: > >> Esther and others, >> >> I've never liked the idea of using something called "Terminal" It sounds way too final and almost deadly! But despite my fear I'm willing to try to do this as I'm sure Esther has discovered my problem. >> >> I have tried to follow the directions but as this is my first Terminal experience I have not yet met success. >> >> I went to terminal and ran the program. >> I hoped I was in the correct spot and typed the first line. >> I then typed the second line using the one that started with sudo >> I entered my password and hit return a third time >> >> nothing seemed to happen. >> >> I'm wondering if I'm understanding how to get the correct path name. >> >> My time machine is simply called "My time Machine" >> >> here is what I typed once Terminal was opened >> cd /Volumes/My Time Machine >> sudo rm -rf .Trashes >> >> I then pressed return and entered my pass word. I pressed return again and nothing seemed to happen. >> >> I'm sure I'm not doing something simple that I don't know as a new Terminal user. >> >> >> I'm very happy That Esther identified my problem though. >> >> Eric Caron >> On Nov 13, 2011, at 4:18 PM, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi Eric, >>> >>> From the file name you mentioned in your system message, the problematic file is a Time Machine backup file that was moved to the trash in the middle of its backup activity, and the reason that you are having difficulty getting your Trash to empty completely is that your Mac considers this to be file that is still open by an active process. The default behavior is not to let you empty the Trash when such files are still open and being worked on by active applications, because this could potentially be something you want to keep -- or else why wouldn't you have closed the application? >>> >>> The instances where this kind of behavior can be confusing include when you are trying to eject a volume or shutdown, when you're told it is still active or a file is in use, or when something is being accessed by Time Machine backups, since it's easy to forget that this process may be running in the background. In the first case, which usually happens when you mount a USB memory stick and either navigate into folders because you want to transfer files between the memory stick and your computer, the solution is to check your Finder windows to make sure you're not in a folder or sub-directory of the device you're trying to eject. As long as you're in the file structure, even if you're not actively playing an MP3 file or quick looking a file, or editing text on the mounted volume, that device is considered to be "in use" and can't be ejected, so either close that Finder window or navigate up to the top level of the device with Command+Up arrow. >>> >>> In the case of your Time Machine backup, it sounds as though you "deleted" a .InProgress file by moving it into the Trash, but can't empty the Trash because the file is on an attached disk drive. You'll need to open Terminal, and use the command line "cd" command to change to your Time Machine drive, then use the "rm" command to remove your ".Trashes" file. Depending on how the drive is set up, and the response you get to trying to do these commands, you may also have to first change the permissions in the directory so that you can remove the files with a "chmod" command. Travis, or someone else familiar with the permissions status of these files can probably assist you if you run into a glitch here. >>> >>> I"d try something like the following: >>> 1. Open a Terminal window. (I keep Terminal in my dock, but you can launch it from Finder by pressing Command-Shift-U to move to your Utilities folder, then press "T" to navigate to "Terminal", and Command+Down Arrow to launch the app). >>> 2. In Terminal, type: >>> cd /Volumes/ >>> and press Return after typing the line. You need to type the name of your Time Machine drive. An easy way to do this is to navigate to your Computer in a Finder window by pressing Command-Shift-C. Then navigate to the entry for your Time Machine volume, and press Command-C to copy the path to that location. Command-Tab back to the Terminal window, type: >>> "cd" (without quotation marks) at the start of the line, press space bar, then press Command-V to paste in the path to your Time Machine drive, then press Return. The command line might look like: >>> cd /Volumes/Time\ Machine >>> >>> Then, on the next line, type either: >>> rm -rf .Trashes >>> followed by a press of the Return key, or else >>> sudo rm -rf .Trashes >>> followed by a press of the Return key. >>> >>> I suspect that you may have to use the second line, which requires you to supply your Admin password with superuser privileges in response to the prompt. >>> >>> It should take a short time to remove the file, depending on how large the backup file was. I don't have a system that I can run a test check right now, so someone else may be able to fill in the details. >>> >>> HTH. Cheers, >>> >>> Esther >>> >>> >>> On Nov 13, 2011, at 09:06, Eric Caron wrote: >>> >>>> Hello helpful listers, >>>> >>>> For several months now I have not been able to get my trash to completely empty. Now things seem even worse. When I now attempt to empty my trash I'm asked if I want to delete unlocked or all items. No matter what I choose the next message that comes up is, >>>> >>>> "The operation can?t be completed because the item ?2011-09-19-163521.inProgress? is in use." >>>> >>>> This happens even after I restart my mac book and have not opened a program. >>>> >>>> This is a new problem as in the past I could at least empty the unlocked items. >>>> >>>> Suggestions would be greatly appreciated! >>>> >>>> eRic Caron From moriond at mac.com Mon Nov 14 03:57:01 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 17:57:01 -1000 Subject: Moving apps to the doc In-Reply-To: <004f01cca27e$bff44ee0$3fdceca0$@net> References: <004f01cca27e$bff44ee0$3fdceca0$@net> Message-ID: <1666CFED-6075-4824-87B5-DEA83FB1091D@mac.com> Hi Catherine, One easy way to put apps in the Dock that works in even is to simply open them, which automatically puts them (at least temporarily) in the Dock. Then navigate to them in the Dock (e.g., by using either the Mac OS X shortcut of Control-F3 or the VoiceOver specific one of VO-D to go to the Dock, then quickly type the first few letters of the name ("t e r") or use your arrow keys to move to the app, and use VO-Shift-M to bring up the context menu. Press "O" to go to "Options" then right arrow to "Keep in Dock". Earlier versions of Mac OS X just had the "Keep in Dock" option in the main context menu, I think. Starting with Snow Leopard, you can highlight an app or folder in Finder and press Shift-Command-T to place this item in the Dock. Cheers, Esther On Nov 13, 2011, at 17:37, Catherine Golding wrote: > How do I move apps from the Utility folder-like Terminal, for example-to my > doc? > > > > Catherine Golding > > Olympia, Washington > From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon Nov 14 04:29:29 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 23:29:29 -0500 Subject: Trash refuses to empty In-Reply-To: <1C7A27A1-F3F8-4D5E-AA92-EE1C4747818D@Mac-Access.net> References: <1C7A27A1-F3F8-4D5E-AA92-EE1C4747818D@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: I have to agree with Esther and others in this thread. It's possible you've already solved your problem, and just don't realize it. On the other hand, Esther's post on how to get the file to go away permanently is quite thorough, and should work if all is setup as advertised on your system. Of course, there's always the possibility that none of these things worked, and we'll need to hunt down other volumes with trash folders on them, and eliminate them as well. I've noticed the trash seems to sometimes drop files in trash folders I'd not expect them to go into, but this just could be me, since I tend to use terminal heavily, and also tend to forget where I put things, so it could just be me remembering the wrong info for a recently deleted file. But, the main thing here is that if terminal simply returns you to your command-line with no acknowledgement that what you typed was acted on or not, then it's safe to assume it performed the operation in question and is simply waiting for the next instruction. However, I strongly caution against using pseudo as a command modifier, unless you are told specifically that files can't be removed when you run the command as yourself, especially if you're new to terminal and how it works. It's possible (though extremely unlikely) to wipe out your entire hard drive using the pseudo command, so it's definitely one to be careful with. I'm not saying it shouldn't be used, only to use it with care, and be sure you are where you think you are before trying the command. In fact, I'd suggest adding one additional command to Esther's list, before you type the rm-f command, the second command should be cd .trashes (that's the word trashes preceded by a period) before typing the rm - f command. That way, if you're already in the .trashes folder, you can't erase things outside of that folder. The only problem with that though is that if you're not truly in the .trashes folder, you truly will hose your machine. A good rule of thumb is check your location twice before typing any command that erases files such as the rm command. Now, I'll freely admit I rarely do this myself, and it has caused me grief in the past, but when performing something as drastic as a remove all files in a folder, I do tend to check at least once, and usually twice to make sure I'm where I should be. I broke someone's account several years ago when I performed an rm -f * on what I thought was a folder under someone's home folder, but turned out to be their actual home folder, and since they had been running a mud, needless to say, they were not happy with me about that. I don't think I need to go into detail about what happened next. Suffice it to say, they weren't a client much longer. So, I'll simply leave it at that, and know that although terminal is powerful, it's also very dangerous, and should be handled with care, at least when it comes to the rm command. Other than rm, there are very few unix commands that will do irrepairable damage to your machine, so it's perfectly safe to experiment. As long as you're a regular user with no special previleges, you can't break anything critical, the system won't let you. This is another reason I strongly recomend having an admin account on your machine for fixing things, and a regular user nonadmin account that you use on a daily basis. That way, you can't possibly perform functions that will put your machine into a nonrepairable state without a bit of work. But, again, with all that said, really, the terminal isn't a bad thing, and you might be surprised at how versatile it can be, and just how much you can accomplish using it. You might want to take advantage of the take control offer, and grab a copy of their take control of terminal book. That will get you started on using terminal, and take a lot of the fear out of it as well. There's some things not covered in that book such as programming your function keys, terminal emulation, and serious amounts of command stringing, though they do touch on it a bit. But, those are things you likely won't use in your first forays into terminal anyhow, so if terminal truly is something you want to learn (and everyone should want to learn it) then, by all means, pick up the book. Joe really does a good job of explaining things in a straightforward manner. I did send a comment mentioning the few things I thought could be added, but got no response, so don't know if they were received or not. But regardless, It's a good reference to have, even if you only drop into terminal once or twice in your whole osx career, as it will explain a lot that may not make sense to you at the moment. From moriond at mac.com Mon Nov 14 04:48:29 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 18:48:29 -1000 Subject: Audio Review/Demo of the Jawbone Jambox In-Reply-To: <4EC06568.8060801@internode.on.net> References: <4EC06568.8060801@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <6E15899E-BA44-4B18-A5D1-F062F5B1C750@mac.com> Hi Dane, Joe, and Others, I'll just add that you can read Lynne's review of the Jawbone Jambox at: http://www.mac-access.net/Extras/Jawbone-Jambox/Jawbone-Jambox.html The original link that she posted back in September with the "registered" symbol as part of the URL address presents some problems. I thought that this article might also have been added to the Mac Access Dot Net Blog at: http://maciosaccessdotnet.wordpress.com/ but apparently it wasn't posted there with Lynne's earlier article on how to backup your system volume. Dane, I liked Robert's podcast on the Jambox, but I had a somewhat hard time hearing the changes with Live Audio on and off in that podcast. It's much more dramatic in person. The differences were easier to hear in a half-hour long podcast that Darren Duff made at the end of August, and posted on Sendspace, but the file seems to no longer be available, though it stayed up for at least a month at: http://www.sendspace.com/file/06jcmv Joe, I think it may be easier to just get sighted assistance to download the Jawbone updater program. You can probably contact Geoff Waaler off list for his set of instructions on how he managed to do this on the Windows side. That is the one down side about using the Jawbone updates. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 13, 2011, at 14:48, Dane Trethowan wrote: > For those who are either thinking of purchasing or who own one of these devices then I'm sure they'll find the review from the page at most helpful. > > > -- > Dane Trethowan > From Melton Victoria Australia > skype callto:grtdane12 > MSN: grtdane at dane-trethowan.net > From moriond at mac.com Mon Nov 14 08:58:14 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 22:58:14 -1000 Subject: Trash refuses to empty In-Reply-To: References: <1C7A27A1-F3F8-4D5E-AA92-EE1C4747818D@Mac-Access.net> Message-ID: <16A1177A-7DCD-427C-954A-5B7509816D41@mac.com> Hi Eric, Travis, and Others, How about the following way of checking whether Eric's problem file is still in the .Trashes folder on his Time Machine volume? Terminal's command line interface lets you do a lot more work with your system with precision, but many people aren't comfortable with it, and haven't read through guides like "Take Control of the Mac Command Line with Terminal". However, there are a number of utility programs that feature GUI implementations of the more useful settings that Terminal can give you access to. I'm thinking of good freeware programs like TinkerTool or OnyX, that have menu options where you can turn on and off the display of hidden files like ".Trashes" in the Finder GUI. In these cases it's all or nothing, but Eric only wants to solve his problem and get on with things. Normally, I'd try downloading the application programs in question so that I can give direct instructions, but my disk is absolutely full with a project that I need to complete under deadline for work, and I can't afford to clear off the space, install the program, and check this now. I'm sure that both TinkerTool and OnyX have settings that allow you to show or hide your hidden files in their menus, but I'm not running current versions on this computer. Here's a recent reviewer's description of TinkerTool just pre-Lion (but the latest version supports Lion): TinkerTool's preferences are organized under 10 main headings: Finder (for options like showing hidden files or restricting the Finder), Dock, General (a lot of useful options, including control over scroll arrows and screenshot file formats), Applications, Snow Leopard (with options for Spotlight, Mail, and Spaces), Fonts, Font Smoothing, Login Items, Safari, and QuickTime X. Compared with some other "tinkering" apps, TinkerTool is a bit more limited in its options--but that limitation can also be reassuring, since TinkerTool doesn't add files, run background processes, or require any special permissions. If you get tired of TinkerTool, you can choose to reset your computer to its "pre-TinkerTool state" (or not) and simply trash the app. Recent builds have kept TinkerTool up to date with the most recent changes in the Mac OS and related apps, including the capability to disable the Ping and iTunes Store pull-down menus in iTunes 10, and disable all RSS features in Safari. You can find similar apps with more potent features, but TinkerTool is a solid (and free) option that's worthwhile for anyone with limited preference-tweaking needs. Eric could grab TinkerTool from the MacUpdate site at: http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/5721/tinkertool (MacUpdate uses standard format layout for download link, short description, list of what's new, and links to the developer's site, as well as giving user comments, so I generally Google a program's name along with "MacUpdate" to find the URL, and download from there.) Then he could use the application to turn on the ability to show hidden files in Finder from Tinker Tool's preference pane (brought up with Command+Comma) or program tabs. If he uses Command-Shift-G from Finder and types in: /Volumes/My Time Machine/ followed by a Return, he should be able to view the .Trashes folder. Or he could directly type in: /Volumes/My Time Machine/.Trashes and press Return to go to directly to the .Trashes directory of his Time Machine volume (assuming it is mounted), and check whether the problem file named "2011-09-19-163521.inProgress" is still there, and try to delete it. If he can't remove it or force delete the Trash on this Time Machine volume through the GUI, he'll still be able to highlight the problem file in Finder, then use Command-C to copy the path to it, and open a Terminal window, type "rm -f" (without the quotation marks) followed by a space, and then use Command-V to paste in the exact path to the specific file in question. The only thing about the Command-V trick is that the full path expansion is only performed when you paste into the Terminal window. If you paste into a plain text TextEdit window, you only get the file name, and not the path. But this does let you be very specific about exactly which file you want to remove, and there's even a way around using the pasted file name in TextEdit if you use I also found a useful free app in the Mac App Store named "Go2Shell" that Travis and others may like. Here's the recent TUAW description: Go2Shell is a tiny little 0.3MB app available for free from the Mac App Store that has the potential to speed up your work-flow if it involves Terminal. Go2Shell simply launches a Terminal session with the current folder you're navigating in Finder, or the folder that Go2Shell is located in, open for work. It even supports iTerm, iTerm 2 and xterm if you're not a fan of Apple's own-brand Terminal. It's so simple, it's almost beautiful and if you happen to have to modify files in Terminal, or any other similar task, Go2Shell could be just ticket to save you time. Go2Shell is a great free download from the Mac App Store that does one thing and one thing well. So if you're a Terminal guru (even the app's preferences are accessed through the command line) then give Go2Shell a whirl. You might like it. Here's the link to the Go2Shell program at the Mac App Store: http://itunes.apple.com/app/go2shell/id445770608?mt=12 This takes the uncertainty out of not being in the correct folder in Terminal that Travis alluded to, since if you highlight a file in (the foremost) Finder Window, then navigate to "Go2Shell" in your dock and press space or VO-Space to launch it, you'll open a Terminal window in exactly the directory of the folder containing that file. Or, in the case where you highlighted a folder, your Terminal window will open with you placed in the directory of that folder. You can interact with the Terminal window and navigate back (VO-Left arrow) to hear the path, or you can type the "pwd" command followed by pressing "return" to print the current working directory and listen to VoiceOver to check the location. If you do need to type either the "rm" or the "sudo rm" command in Terminal to remove files, you can now add the exact filename at the end. If a file of that specific name is not found in the current location, then nothing is deleted. And if you do the Command-C copy of the file you highlighted in Finder, and then paste with Command-V into a plain text TextEdit window, you'll get the exact name of the file (without the path, which you no longer need if you use the free Go2Shell application). As long as that filename doesn't have spaces in the middle of its name, you can edit in the TextEdit window to add the preceding "rm -f" as in: rm -f 2011-09-19-163521.inProgress Then you can copy this line from the TextEdit window with Command-C, (For a file with spaces in the middle of the name, enclose the entire filename in quotation marks.) Use Go2Shell to open a Terminal window in the correct directory location, or Command-Tab to switch the Terminal window if you previously opened one with Go2Shell, then paste in your copied command with Command-V and press Return to execute it. If the file isn't deleted, then you will have to use the "sudo rm -f" command in Terminal, such as: sudo rm -f 2011-09-19-163521.inProgress Type or paste this command into your Terminal window and press return. Then you should be prompted for your Admin password, which you will have to type in (without hearing it echoed by VoiceOver) and follow it with a press of the Return key. Travis is correct that you should be careful about the use of the "sudo" command in connection with deleting files. The instructions I gave in the earlier posts should be fairly safe, in that they only allow you to delete files in folders named ".Trashes", which are files that you moved to local Trash folders. In the present post, I am assuming that you use a free utility program like TinkerTool or OnyX -- or this is also a feature of paid maintenance programs like Cocktail -- to show you "hidden" files in the Finder, and that you can therefore view the exact names of the files in question, and copy and paste them. This means that you can easily put the specific file names into the command line arguments because you can use the copy command to accurately get long file names that are normally hidden. The commands listed in earlier posts will also work here, but I was assuming that you could not view the "hidden" files in the .Trashes folders, or copy and paste their names, so I gave you a command format that could be executed and typed relatively safely without knowing the exact filenames and paths, or even whether the applicable .Trashes folder is in a specific subfolder of your current directory. Normally, I would tell a user to type "ls" (without quotation marks) and press Return in the Terminal window to get a listing of files in the current directory (which should be ".Trashes") and check that the files in question were removed, but this relies on your setup being correct so you are able to read the results in the Terminal window, and checking that there are no files left here if you only get back the default prompt, with no files listed. When you are done, you can set your hidden files not to be shown again in Finder with TinkerTool, OnyX, or Cocktail. HTH. This seems a lot of work for two Terminal commands, though. There's probably an easier (safe) solution that someone can suggest, that involves less explanation, although I can't think of one at the present. Maybe just "don't interrupt Time Machine Backups in the middle by putting their files in the Trash". There are safe "sudo" commands you can practice with in Terminal, such as commanding the running of default maintenance tasks like "sudo periodic daily". All these will prompt you for your Admin password, however. Cheers, Esther From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Mon Nov 14 13:03:53 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:03:53 +1100 Subject: database for i phone In-Reply-To: <97E21858-B1C0-4CBF-98A4-F315BFDABA33@me.com> References: <97E21858-B1C0-4CBF-98A4-F315BFDABA33@me.com> Message-ID: thanks do u know how to name your library what you want to call it it says in the guide to double click it and i not sure if there is a way to double click using vo if there is i don't know how i am finding the i phone version much easier to use but have the mac vverssion on the mac and i sink ininformation from my i phone to my mac using the mac app an i phone mac smiles just hope i can name my template some how On 14/11/2011, at 3:50 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: > What many of us might normally refer to as a database is referred to as a "Library" in Bento-speak. I'm guessing this choice of words comes from the fact that Bento is the low-end sibling of the Filemaker relational database package where a database is made up of a number of libraries. Bento is a simple flat-file application where libraries are not linked. > > To add a new library using the Bento for iPhone app, go to the Bento Home screen by tapping the button labeled "Home" in the bottom left corner of the app, and then tap the button misleadingly labeled "RecordAdd" in the bottom right corner of the screen. You can learn about adding libraries by reading the help topic called "Working with Libraries." > > I find the Bento Mac and iPhone apps to be very helpful and quite VO friendly, although the Mac version is imperfect and tends to flake out with VO more often than some other apps. The PDF version of the Bento for Mac user guide is one of the few PDF documents that I found to be truly navigable in Preview. It is a very good beginner's guide to Bento for Mac, but for more advanced work you'll need to scour the web. I have not used their templates, but there is a hole community that creates templates and makes them available through what they call the Bento Template Exchange, which is linked from their website. > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Nov 12, 2011, at 9:15 PM, krystal watson wrote: > >> can i add other databases how do i use them i broght both the mac and i o s version looks complacated from my first look but i will get used to it i am sure >> On 13/11/2011, at 3:41 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: >> >>> I use Bento for iPhone and iTouch. It costs US $4.99. It is fully VO accessible and can sync with Bento for Mac and Bento for iPad if you also use those products. You can select a field and sort ascending or descending. It can also be used to manage your contacts, tasks and calendar in a tabular format that I sometimes find preferable to the interface of those native apps. I keep meaning to add a review to applevis, but.... Maybe this weekend. >>> >>> The Help button within Bento presents a thorough, if somewhat awkwardly organized, set of instructions for using the app. You can also view the help from any web browser by going to the following URL: >>> http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/7215/~/bento-for-iphone-and-ipod-touch-help >>> >>> Here's a link to Bento in the US iTunes App Store: >>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bento/id314638461?mt=8 >>> >>> HTH, >>> Bryan >>> >>> On Nov 12, 2011, at 4:16 AM, krystal watson wrote: >>> >>>> was wondering if its possible to or if there is a app out there so you can list your dvds and it will put them in a list in aphabetical order like the braille note has i like the one on that but the i phone is much smaller pluss my mum and dad can read and use the i phone to see what dvds i have if there was a database maniger any help would be nice thanks >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From d.griffith at btinternet.com Mon Nov 14 14:48:20 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:48:20 +0000 Subject: Problem Accessing Mail boxes in Lion Message-ID: Something has happened to my Mail over the last 2 days to now prevent me from navigating to my mail boxes. This is a real problem as I have set up message rules to direct certain mail to these mail boxes. What I used to be able to do was sit in the Message Table, press shift tab and simply land in a table with a list of my mail boxes. for some reason I can no longer do this. I have been trying to tab and shift tab about, including control tab to no useful effect. What happens if I shift tab from the message table is that Voiceover announces leaving cell, pressing shift tab again will say leaving text. . . I am using Lion on an IMac. I am using the default modern view. I have tried switching to classic view but this does not fix the problem My sighted wife did come on the computer to look at an email and I am wondering if she inadvertently changed something. Alternatively is tis an update issue with Mail? Is there a way to navigate to mail boxes. I can still navigate to Inbox and sent etc by pressing command 1 etc but there are other mail boxes I need to access. Thanks for any hep. David Griffith . David Griffith d.griffith at btinternet.com From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon Nov 14 16:07:34 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 11:07:34 -0500 Subject: go to shell (was Trash refuses to empty) In-Reply-To: <16A1177A-7DCD-427C-954A-5B7509816D41@mac.com> References: <1C7A27A1-F3F8-4D5E-AA92-EE1C4747818D@Mac-Access.net> <16A1177A-7DCD-427C-954A-5B7509816D41@mac.com> Message-ID: <399A62AB-F613-4D7F-941F-AC7E7CEF3E7F@softcon.com> Esther, you're a jewel. I've often wondered why apple doesn't provide the functionality of this go to shell app. I've often thought about building such an app for myself, and now I see it's done. Great work here, I'll definitely be adding this one to my toolbox. From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Mon Nov 14 16:34:28 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:34:28 +0000 Subject: Problem with activating voicemail tab, please help! Message-ID: <4EC14314.6070302@techno-chat.net> Hello all. I realize you may not be able to answer the below, but this is worth a shot anyway. Please can I have your help? My friend Gary Price has an iPhone 4 running iOS 5.0.1. He is having a problem activating the voicemail part of the phone app. Here is what he does: 1. Double tap phone. 2. Double tap the voicemail tab. The expected result is the controls for the Voicemail part of the Phone app appears. The actual result is he hears the two clicks when double tapping, but nothing happens. He had trouble with this before, so I advised him to do a restore as he had other VoiceOver related issues anyway. Unfortunately though this did not clear the above problem. Like I said, I realize you might not be able to help, since I did suggest to him a problem with the Visual Voicemail service that not all networks worldwide carry. We are both on O2 here in the UK and they use Visual Voicemail. If you can help, this would be greatly appreciated. But what's worse is I cannot duplicate it at all! Thank you very much. Chat soon. From opensesame at me.com Mon Nov 14 17:05:06 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 12:05:06 -0500 Subject: Problem Accessing Mail boxes in Lion In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7EEF3400-9293-40EE-B18E-0F1197A73AD5@me.com> Hello David, Perhaps your mailbox list has been hidden. I also use the tab and shift+tab to move between my mailbox list and message list in the new mail view, and when I hide the mailbox list I experience the same thing you mentioned. You can press Command+Shift+M to toggle the displaying of the mailbox list. HTH, Bryan On Nov 14, 2011, at 9:48 AM, David Griffith wrote: > What I used to be able to do was sit in the Message Table, press shift tab and simply land in a table with a list of my mail boxes. > for some reason I can no longer do this. From d.griffith at btinternet.com Mon Nov 14 17:14:37 2011 From: d.griffith at btinternet.com (David Griffith) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:14:37 +0000 Subject: Problem Accessing Mail boxes in Lion In-Reply-To: <7EEF3400-9293-40EE-B18E-0F1197A73AD5@me.com> References: <7EEF3400-9293-40EE-B18E-0F1197A73AD5@me.com> Message-ID: Brilliant. I might have slipped a finger when pressing control shift N to get new mail. I may have hidden this then. Then again I could just blame my wife. thanks again. I can see all the Mailboxes I need to again. David Griffith d.griffith at btinternet.com On 14 Nov 2011, at 17:05, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hello David, > > Perhaps your mailbox list has been hidden. I also use the tab and shift+tab to move between my mailbox list and message list in the new mail view, and when I hide the mailbox list I experience the same thing you mentioned. You can press Command+Shift+M to toggle the displaying of the mailbox list. > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Nov 14, 2011, at 9:48 AM, David Griffith wrote: >> What I used to be able to do was sit in the Message Table, press shift tab and simply land in a table with a list of my mail boxes. >> for some reason I can no longer do this. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Mon Nov 14 17:22:48 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon, Lynne & Tracy) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:22:48 +0000 Subject: New Support Person Added To Mac Access Message-ID: <0DD30416-5D94-4556-9609-B89275E976A1@mac-access.net> Hello everybody It is with the greatest of pleasure that I am able to tell the group that a new member has now joined the Mac Access support team. Tracy Thompson, the best nurse ever to have it planet earth, has now turned her hand to a new and, thus far, untested skill which she has been developing under our guidance for some time now. Tracy will be here when we are not, in order to better serve the group with the main stream support service. I should say at once that this does not in any way change the capacity of our two able and capable assistant list controllers, Anne and James. Tracy's function will be simply to act as a backup for Gordon and myself and to take the strain when things get a little more tough than they are usually. I am sure Tracy will say hello when she's ready; and tell you a little about herself and what she hopes to bring to the group. No; she isn't a computer guru at all. But she does have a great deal of experience in working with people, as you'd imagine, as she's a highly qualified nurse by profession. Those of you who already know Tracy will be aware that she is keen and eager to learn, and just as keen and eager to help. Gordon and I have much to be grateful to her for; and this is just the latest thing to add to our list. Lynne From marrie12 at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 17:39:15 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 09:39:15 -0800 Subject: Problem with activating voicemail tab, please help! In-Reply-To: <4EC14314.6070302@techno-chat.net> References: <4EC14314.6070302@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <1A46CA80-FF59-4844-A244-1BBBE66F554C@gmail.com> so you're saying nothing happens/ Ok try this. If this works in the UK. double tap and hold the 1 key. This should put you in the voicemail phone number thing. Now see if you can access it from there.. Once you have the pin set up and your greeting set up as well you should be able to access the voice mail tab on the phone app. On Nov 14, 2011, at 8:34 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: > Hello all. > I realize you may not be able to answer the below, but this is worth a shot anyway. > Please can I have your help? > My friend Gary Price has an iPhone 4 running iOS 5.0.1. He is having a problem activating the voicemail part of the phone app. Here is what he does: > 1. Double tap phone. > 2. Double tap the voicemail tab. > The expected result is the controls for the Voicemail part of the Phone app appears. The actual result is he hears the two clicks when double tapping, but nothing happens. He had trouble with this before, so I advised him to do a restore as he had other VoiceOver related issues anyway. Unfortunately though this did not clear the above problem. > Like I said, I realize you might not be able to help, since I did suggest to him a problem with the Visual Voicemail service that not all networks worldwide carry. We are both on O2 here in the UK and they use Visual Voicemail. > If you can help, this would be greatly appreciated. But what's worse is I cannot duplicate it at all! > Thank you very much. > Chat soon. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Mon Nov 14 19:11:31 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:11:31 +0000 Subject: Problem with activating voicemail tab, please help! In-Reply-To: <1A46CA80-FF59-4844-A244-1BBBE66F554C@gmail.com> References: <4EC14314.6070302@techno-chat.net> <1A46CA80-FF59-4844-A244-1BBBE66F554C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EC167E3.30703@techno-chat.net> Ar right! Now, I have seen this with Nokias. So are you saying this works for the iPhone as well? Thanks! On 14/11/2011 17:39, Sarah Alawami wrote: > so you're saying nothing happens/ Ok try this. If this works in the UK. > > double tap and hold the 1 key. This should put you in the voicemail phone number thing. Now see if you can access it from there.. Once you have the pin set up and your greeting set up as well you should be able to access the voice mail tab on the phone app. > On Nov 14, 2011, at 8:34 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> Hello all. >> I realize you may not be able to answer the below, but this is worth a shot anyway. >> Please can I have your help? >> My friend Gary Price has an iPhone 4 running iOS 5.0.1. He is having a problem activating the voicemail part of the phone app. Here is what he does: >> 1. Double tap phone. >> 2. Double tap the voicemail tab. >> The expected result is the controls for the Voicemail part of the Phone app appears. The actual result is he hears the two clicks when double tapping, but nothing happens. He had trouble with this before, so I advised him to do a restore as he had other VoiceOver related issues anyway. Unfortunately though this did not clear the above problem. >> Like I said, I realize you might not be able to help, since I did suggest to him a problem with the Visual Voicemail service that not all networks worldwide carry. We are both on O2 here in the UK and they use Visual Voicemail. >> If you can help, this would be greatly appreciated. But what's worse is I cannot duplicate it at all! >> Thank you very much. >> Chat soon. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Nov 14 19:39:01 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:39:01 +0000 Subject: jambox and web site? In-Reply-To: <1F32D27F45154338BC9A8F283FEFF464@joseph1> References: <1F32D27F45154338BC9A8F283FEFF464@joseph1> Message-ID: Hello Joe I never said the review was in the archive. Where did you get that from? I said that there was a discussion of the Jambox in there in relation to Mac OS. Lynne On 13 Nov 2011, at 20:20, joe quinn wrote: despite Lynn's saying so, her review of the jambox, isn't in the archives, either that, or i can't find it. I need to know how to get the jawbone update thing for the Mac, as i can't click on download option. help? <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Mon Nov 14 19:39:23 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:39:23 +0000 Subject: VoiceOver and visual appearance Message-ID: <4EC16E6B.1080004@techno-chat.net> Does VoiceOver change anything visual on the screen? A support worker I have was curious to how the keyboard was laid out. She thought it was smaller than the keyboard on her phone. I have an iPhone 4 running iOS 5.0.1 and the support worker has some kind of Samsung touch screen phone. Thanks! From tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk Mon Nov 14 19:41:47 2011 From: tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk (Tracy Thompson) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:41:47 +0000 Subject: Audio Review/Demo of the Jawbone Jambox In-Reply-To: <4EC06568.8060801@internode.on.net> References: <4EC06568.8060801@internode.on.net> Message-ID: What does this have to do with Mac OS? oOr are you covering it from that angle? Tracy On 14 Nov 2011, at 00:48, Dane Trethowan wrote: For those who are either thinking of purchasing or who own one of these devices then I'm sure they'll find the review from the page at most helpful. -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia skype callto:grtdane12 MSN: grtdane at dane-trethowan.net <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From tsiegel at softcon.com Mon Nov 14 19:45:15 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:45:15 -0500 Subject: VoiceOver and visual appearance In-Reply-To: <4EC16E6B.1080004@techno-chat.net> References: <4EC16E6B.1080004@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <8E37013D-D346-431D-A18F-38EBC307E363@softcon.com> Voice over does not change the screen at all. It dooes change the gestures used to control the phone, but that's all. hth. From tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk Mon Nov 14 19:45:34 2011 From: tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk (Tracy Thompson) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:45:34 +0000 Subject: Posting Lynne's Review to our blog; [was Lynne's Review of the Jawbone Jambox In-Reply-To: <6E15899E-BA44-4B18-A5D1-F062F5B1C750@mac.com> References: <4EC06568.8060801@internode.on.net> <6E15899E-BA44-4B18-A5D1-F062F5B1C750@mac.com> Message-ID: <66961E00-86D8-46B3-8255-DC2A6208E367@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> Hello Esther Lynne has been meaning to do this but with everything that's been going on it hasn't been possible. We will try and get this done today. Tracy On 14 Nov 2011, at 04:48, Esther wrote: Hi Dane, Joe, and Others, I'll just add that you can read Lynne's review of the Jawbone Jambox at: http://www.mac-access.net/Extras/Jawbone-Jambox/Jawbone-Jambox.html The original link that she posted back in September with the "registered" symbol as part of the URL address presents some problems. I thought that this article might also have been added to the Mac Access Dot Net Blog at: http://maciosaccessdotnet.wordpress.com/ but apparently it wasn't posted there with Lynne's earlier article on how to backup your system volume. Dane, I liked Robert's podcast on the Jambox, but I had a somewhat hard time hearing the changes with Live Audio on and off in that podcast. It's much more dramatic in person. The differences were easier to hear in a half-hour long podcast that Darren Duff made at the end of August, and posted on Sendspace, but the file seems to no longer be available, though it stayed up for at least a month at: http://www.sendspace.com/file/06jcmv Joe, I think it may be easier to just get sighted assistance to download the Jawbone updater program. You can probably contact Geoff Waaler off list for his set of instructions on how he managed to do this on the Windows side. That is the one down side about using the Jawbone updates. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 13, 2011, at 14:48, Dane Trethowan wrote: > For those who are either thinking of purchasing or who own one of these devices then I'm sure they'll find the review from the page at most helpful. > > > -- > Dane Trethowan > From Melton Victoria Australia > skype callto:grtdane12 > MSN: grtdane at dane-trethowan.net > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From moriond at mac.com Mon Nov 14 20:27:14 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 10:27:14 -1000 Subject: jambox and web site? In-Reply-To: References: <1F32D27F45154338BC9A8F283FEFF464@joseph1> Message-ID: <174BB122-1789-418B-ABFB-15286F7EACB0@mac.com> Hello Joe, There are discussions of problems with the Jawbone MyTalk web site's accessibility in the archives, but not a good solution about downloading the Updater. There are also discussions in the archives about the Jambox itself, the earliest being in the old archives from 2010, such as my post from last December, "Jawbone Jambox portable Bluetooth Speaker [was Re: Enhancing audio when playing on iPad and iPhone]": http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/2010/007140.html There were references to Lynne's review in posts around September, but the links had an extra, non-standard character that made it problematic, so use the one in my recent post instead: http://www.mac-access.net/Extras/Jawbone-Jambox/Jawbone-Jambox.html You'd need to find someone who still has a current dmg image saved after installing the app, which may not be generally available, and would also be large for an attachment. (I think it's easier to get sighted assistance.) HTH. On Nov 14, 2011, at 09:39, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Joe > I never said the review was in the archive. Where did you get that from? I said that there was a discussion of the Jambox in there in relation to Mac OS. > > Lynne > > On 13 Nov 2011, at 20:20, joe quinn wrote: > > despite Lynn's saying so, her review of the jambox, isn't in the archives, either that, or i can't find it. I need to know how to get the jawbone update thing for the Mac, as i can't click on download option. help? From djden at thejazzden.org.uk Mon Nov 14 20:39:16 2011 From: djden at thejazzden.org.uk (Thejazzden) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:39:16 +0000 Subject: Problems pairing in IOS5.01 - was Re: jambox and web site? In-Reply-To: <174BB122-1789-418B-ABFB-15286F7EACB0@mac.com> References: <1F32D27F45154338BC9A8F283FEFF464@joseph1> <174BB122-1789-418B-ABFB-15286F7EACB0@mac.com> Message-ID: is anyone else having problems pairing with IPhone since upgrading to IOS 5? I too would like an accessible way of updating the JawBone. :) Dennis Freedman The best aromatherapy in the UK - www.e-nat.co.uk Sent from my iPhone On 14 Nov 2011, at 20:27, Esther wrote: > Hello Joe, > > There are discussions of problems with the Jawbone MyTalk web site's accessibility in the archives, but not a good solution about downloading the Updater. There are also discussions in the archives about the Jambox itself, the earliest being in the old archives from 2010, such as my post from last December, "Jawbone Jambox portable Bluetooth Speaker [was Re: Enhancing audio when playing on iPad and iPhone]": > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/2010/007140.html > > There were references to Lynne's review in posts around September, but the links had an extra, non-standard character that made it problematic, so use the one in my recent post instead: > http://www.mac-access.net/Extras/Jawbone-Jambox/Jawbone-Jambox.html > > You'd need to find someone who still has a current dmg image saved after installing the app, which may not be generally available, and would also be large for an attachment. (I think it's easier to get sighted assistance.) > > HTH. > > > On Nov 14, 2011, at 09:39, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Joe >> I never said the review was in the archive. Where did you get that from? I said that there was a discussion of the Jambox in there in relation to Mac OS. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 13 Nov 2011, at 20:20, joe quinn wrote: >> >> despite Lynn's saying so, her review of the jambox, isn't in the archives, either that, or i can't find it. I need to know how to get the jawbone update thing for the Mac, as i can't click on download option. help? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk Mon Nov 14 20:51:59 2011 From: tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk (Tracy Thompson) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:51:59 +0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jawbone=AE_JamBox?= Message-ID: hello group I am learning fast I think. I have just posted Lynne's review, with a few Tracy-like edits, of the JamBox on the Mac Access blog. http://blog.maciosaccess.net is where you can find it. We might update it because lynne wants to add some comments to the review. But this is now done at least so it can be viewed. We will try to cover this from the angle of the mac and their website as well soon so it is on topic for the group. Tracy From lynne at mac-access.net Mon Nov 14 21:03:41 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:03:41 +0000 Subject: VoiceOver and visual appearance In-Reply-To: <4EC16E6B.1080004@techno-chat.net> References: <4EC16E6B.1080004@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: Chris No, it does not change the visual attributes of what you see on screen. It isn't like Windows; where you get a vertical sheet which totally misrepresents a website. Lynne On 14 Nov 2011, at 19:39, chris hallsworth wrote: Does VoiceOver change anything visual on the screen? A support worker I have was curious to how the keyboard was laid out. She thought it was smaller than the keyboard on her phone. I have an iPhone 4 running iOS 5.0.1 and the support worker has some kind of Samsung touch screen phone. Thanks! From martin at x.it.okstate.edu Mon Nov 14 21:16:19 2011 From: martin at x.it.okstate.edu (Martin McCormick) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 15:16:19 -0600 Subject: What Type of Mac goes with this hardware address? Message-ID: <201111142116.pAELGJe9043063@x.it.okstate.edu> I run our DHCP servers here at Oklahoma State University and we help the police look for stolen equipment by running a script every few minutes that looks for any hardware address that we need to locate. If it shows up, we page people and anybody logged in to our unix work station sees messages telling them who to contact, etc. The victims of the thefts weren't sure of the technical details of their systems so all we have are two Ethernet addresses we got from server logs. How can I find out which type of Mac each address belongs to? Then I can have the alert message state enough information that we will know which machine was found. Here are the two hardware addresses: 04:1e:64:f5:40:1f e0:f8:47:07:91:66 Thank you and I realize that this may be considered off-topic since it has nothing to do with accessibility. If there a way to look these up, I would appreciate that information for future reference. Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK Systems Engineer OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group From mattchao at verizon.net Mon Nov 14 22:02:36 2011 From: mattchao at verizon.net (Matthew Chao) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:02:36 -0500 Subject: New Support Person Added To Mac Access In-Reply-To: <0DD30416-5D94-4556-9609-B89275E976A1@mac-access.net> References: <0DD30416-5D94-4556-9609-B89275E976A1@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <0LUO0087Y7WF41R0@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Way to go, Lynne! That's what makes this list so great. Now, if only I could work on my Mac more often. Keep up the good work! Matthew Chao At 12:22 PM 11/14/2011, you wrote: >Hello everybody > >It is with the greatest of pleasure that I am able to tell the group >that a new member has now joined the Mac Access support team. Tracy >Thompson, the best nurse ever to have it planet earth, has now >turned her hand to a new and, thus far, untested skill which she has >been developing under our guidance for some time now. Tracy will be >here when we are not, in order to better serve the group with the >main stream support service. I should say at once that this does not >in any way change the capacity of our two able and capable assistant >list controllers, Anne and James. > >Tracy's function will be simply to act as a backup for Gordon and >myself and to take the strain when things get a little more tough >than they are usually. I am sure Tracy will say hello when she's >ready; and tell you a little about herself and what she hopes to >bring to the group. > >No; she isn't a computer guru at all. But she does have a great deal >of experience in working with people, as you'd imagine, as she's a >highly qualified nurse by profession. > >Those of you who already know Tracy will be aware that she is keen >and eager to learn, and just as keen and eager to help. Gordon and I >have much to be grateful to her for; and this is just the latest >thing to add to our list. > >Lynne > > ><--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >To reply to this post, please address your message to >mac-access at mac-access.net > >You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >or at the public Mail Archive: >. >Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > >The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >virus and worm-free! > >Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >visiting the list website at: > > >__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus >signature database 6593 (20111101) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > >http://www.eset.com From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Nov 14 22:12:43 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 09:12:43 +1100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Jawbone=AE_JamBox?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5CB46F15-F6AC-4D49-B3FF-FAA2B4190B87@internode.on.net> One thing I would add to any comments on the Jambox. Whilst this is an excellent sounding speaker system - no point denying that - is not the best speakerphone out there so if you're planning to use this device primarely as a speakerphone then you'd do much better to look at other alternatives. Firstly, it would appear that the Jambox has no noise cancellation facilities for the speakerphone function thus it would be next to useless in a car. I've been using the speakerphone function of Jambox for 2 weeks, works well in quiet environments on a desk etc but then there's a problem of the Jambox muting the other end of a call if you're talking thus the result is often missed conversation from the other end. This has been a common problem with speakerphones however there are some I've seen which manage to defeat the problem and I'm not deliberately knocking the Jambox because of this, perhaps this problem is unavoidable given the design of the Jambox, the microphone is on the front up one end of the unit. Also note that when in "speakerphone" mode only one speaker of the 2 in the system is used as as using 2 would certainly cause feedback problems . I'm now using the Jambox for speakers only, I purchased another piece of equipment specifically for "speakerphone" use last week. I think it clearer sounding on its speakerphone than is the Jambox plus it does not mute the other party when I'm talking so I can hear exactly what's going on at the other end. The device has excellent noise cancelling facilities and it is designed to "Take anywhere", comes with sucktion cups so you can mount it in a car should you want to. Unfortunately it would appear that this "speakerphone" system I bought cannot be used to its full potential when paired with an Apple iPhone, as far as I'm aware one cannot transfer contacts from an Apple iPhone to another device using Bluetooth, if one could then this device could go even further in enhancing one's use of a "Speakerphone" by providing a complete voice assistant. As is you can say to the "Speakerphone" things like "Answer Call" and "Hangup Call", if one could transfer contacts then you could say things like "Call Tracy's Mobile" and so on, only way to do this now is to use the Voice assistance offered in iPhone and that means using your hands . As a final not, I'd give details on this model on list if I knew for certain that what I bought was available in different countries under the same brand name or model. I'm sure if people looked around they'd find something similar. On 15/11/2011, at 7:51 AM, Tracy Thompson wrote: > hello group > > I am learning fast I think. I have just posted Lynne's review, with a few Tracy-like edits, of the JamBox on the Mac Access blog. http://blog.maciosaccess.net is where you can find it. > > We might update it because lynne wants to add some comments to the review. But this is now done at least so it can be viewed. We will try to cover this from the angle of the mac and their website as well soon so it is on topic for the group. > > Tracy > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Mon Nov 14 22:15:24 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 22:15:24 +0000 Subject: Favourite alarm sounds Message-ID: <4EC192FC.4030201@techno-chat.net> I like the sound simply called alarm. They have sampled the alarm used in Star Wars and on a recent commercial on ITV here in the UK. Wakes me up every time. From niam.mckeown at gmail.com Mon Nov 14 23:38:12 2011 From: niam.mckeown at gmail.com (Niamh) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:38:12 -0000 Subject: How to turn off voice activation in I-touch Message-ID: <3AC1656111ED4F41B815B679087C0695@Blossom> I have the very latest I-touch, and it keeps sliding into voice activation, not voice over, but voice activation. Can I kill it permanently? Niamh going mad with it. From grtdane at internode.on.net Mon Nov 14 23:49:22 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:49:22 +1100 Subject: How to turn off voice activation in iPod Touch In-Reply-To: <3AC1656111ED4F41B815B679087C0695@Blossom> References: <3AC1656111ED4F41B815B679087C0695@Blossom> Message-ID: Hi! Excuse me for sounding picky here but can we actually give the right name for a device in a message please so that we don't get confused. An iTouch is a mouse so I assuming the original sender of the message is having trouble with his iPod Touch . On 15/11/2011, at 10:38 AM, Niamh wrote: > I have the very latest I-touch, and it keeps sliding into voice activation, not voice over, but voice activation. > Can I kill it permanently? > Niamh going mad with it. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From w9fyi at mac-access.net Mon Nov 14 23:51:54 2011 From: w9fyi at mac-access.net (Justin Mann) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 17:51:54 -0600 Subject: anybody have any bento experience? Message-ID: <4F20E25C-87BF-4DD1-8E59-DEF478BC69B0@mac-access.net> Hi listers, I am creating a database in bento and the process seems straight forward. However, I'm not able to affectively make the pop-ups behave like they should. I'm also trying to figure out what field to use where. Do you use a number field to store a number that is used to look up information? Can this be done in text field? THis is probably obvious, but I seem to be needing some hand-holding for some reason. Thanks for help in advance. Justin From moriond at mac.com Mon Nov 14 23:55:10 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 13:55:10 -1000 Subject: Registering your Apple Products for a permanent record of serial numbers [was Re: What Type of Mac goes with this hardware address?] In-Reply-To: <201111142116.pAELGJe9043063@x.it.okstate.edu> References: <201111142116.pAELGJe9043063@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: Hi Martin, As far as I know, there's no way to track down the specific model of a Mac computer based on the MAC address. You can track down the manufacturer of the computer from the first few code groups of the MAC address if you look it up, e.g., at: http://coffer.com/mac_find/ But you already know that the stolen equipment brand is Apple. You'd have a much easier time if any of these products have been registered with Apple, and are currently (or were) under warranty. There's a MySupportProfile page: https://supportprofile.apple.com/MySupportProfile.do If your user signs in on that page with their AppleID and password, he or she will be able to view every Apple product that was ever registered under his or her name, the description, and the serial number. That assume that they ever took the time to register their products, or that they had the Apple Retail Store do this at the time of purchase. You can add registrations by supplying the serial numbers of products on this page, and then you will always have access to the details of any products that were registered. This includes, iPhones, AirPort Express Base Stations, Apple TVs, and iPods, as well as computers. Basically, any Apple product with a serial number can be registered at that site, and if you forget the password associated with your Apple ID, you'll be sent an email that allows you to reset it -- again, providing that you supplied this contact information when you registered your products or created your AppleID, and kept this current. This also means that if I visit the site, I can click on links to any registered products, and not only find the serial numbers (if they got stolen), but also get the specific support product details and documents for that product. You can also check whether you're still covered under AppleCare warranty. You have to actively register your products at this site to be able to access these records, however. Simply purchasing AppleCare will not put this information into this user accessible data base. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 14, 2011, at 11:16, Martin McCormick wrote: > I run our DHCP servers here at Oklahoma State University and we > help the police look for stolen equipment by running a > script every few minutes that looks for any hardware address > that we need to locate. > > If it shows up, we page people and anybody logged in to > our unix work station sees messages telling them who to contact, > etc. > > The victims of the thefts weren't sure of the technical > details of their systems so all we have are two Ethernet > addresses we got from server logs. How can I find out which type > of Mac each address belongs to? Then I can have the alert > message state enough information that we will know which machine > was found. > > Here are the two hardware addresses: > > 04:1e:64:f5:40:1f > e0:f8:47:07:91:66 > > Thank you and I realize that this may be considered > off-topic since it has nothing to do with accessibility. If > there a way to look these up, I would appreciate that > information for future reference. > > Martin McCormick WB5AGZ Stillwater, OK > Systems Engineer > OSU Information Technology Department Telecommunications Services Group From support at mac-access.net Tue Nov 15 00:00:27 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon, Lynne & Tracy) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:00:27 +0000 Subject: Important; Control Personnel Change Message-ID: <791CC6C8-E5EE-4AFB-A00C-9436C7891761@mac-access.net> Hello everybody It is with regret that I must inform the group that James Austin has now opted to rescind his position as an assistant list controller of Mac Access Dot Net's flagship email forum, mac-access. We would like to thank James for his efforts, and to wish him the very best in his future projects. As I understand it, James intends to remain a group member; but please do not direct questions to him any more regarding list policy although I gather he does wish to assist members as any other group member would. Ergo, we are now seeking another responsible person to replace James in this capacity and would welcome interest shown by anybody. We do have specific requirements which we'd be happy to discuss off list with you if you're interested. Please feel free to contact the support address for further information. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Nov 15 00:05:13 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:05:13 +0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Jawbone=AE_JamBox?= In-Reply-To: <5CB46F15-F6AC-4D49-B3FF-FAA2B4190B87@internode.on.net> References: <5CB46F15-F6AC-4D49-B3FF-FAA2B4190B87@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4DA40C45-6391-4DB1-AE1A-A4015124B990@mac-access.net> I refer specifically to the below quoted text as the rest of this was way off topic. :) You clearly haven't investigated this very thoroughly. You're entitled to your opinions, of course. On 14 Nov 2011, at 22:12, Dane Trethowan wrote: Unfortunately it would appear that this "speakerphone" system I bought cannot be used to its full potential when paired with an Apple iPhone, as far as I'm aware one cannot transfer contacts from an Apple iPhone to another device using Bluetooth, if one could then this device could go even further in enhancing one's use of a "Speakerphone" by providing a complete voice assistant. As is you can say to the "Speakerphone" things like "Answer Call" and "Hangup Call", if one could transfer contacts then you could say things like "Call Tracy's Mobile" and so on, only way to do this now is to use the Voice assistance offered in iPhone and that means using your hands . From moriond at mac.com Tue Nov 15 00:19:03 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:19:03 -1000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re=3A_Jawbone=C2=AE_JamBox?= In-Reply-To: <4DA40C45-6391-4DB1-AE1A-A4015124B990@mac-access.net> References: <5CB46F15-F6AC-4D49-B3FF-FAA2B4190B87@internode.on.net> <4DA40C45-6391-4DB1-AE1A-A4015124B990@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <475EDA6D-4993-4815-AB5D-7730311B7990@mac.com> Hi Lynne and Dane, Lynne, my reading of this section of Dane's post is that he is writing about the device he bought to use as a speakerphone with his iPhone in place of the Jambox. I don't have enough knowledge of that device (which isn't specified) to know whether his statement about problems transferring contacts via Bluetooth are incorrect for this device. Dane's other comments were his experience with using the Jambox for speakerphone functions when paired to his iPhone, so they do seem relevant. Dane, you might check whether your other Bluetooth device is supported by iSync. If you still have this application from a Time Machine backup of Snow Leopard, you can put it in your Applications folder and check whether it works for transferring calendar and contact information via Bluetooth from your Mac. For more details, read my archived post to Stuart about iSync: Getting iSync back for Lion [was Re: I sink alturnitive for lion] http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access at mac-access.net/msg03920.html HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 14, 2011, at 14:05, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > I refer specifically to the below quoted text as the rest of this was way off topic. :) > > You clearly haven't investigated this very thoroughly. You're entitled to your opinions, of course. > > On 14 Nov 2011, at 22:12, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Unfortunately it would appear that this "speakerphone" system I bought cannot be used to its full potential when paired with an Apple iPhone, as far as I'm aware one cannot transfer contacts from an Apple iPhone to another device using Bluetooth, if one could then this device could go even further in enhancing one's use of a "Speakerphone" by providing a complete voice assistant. As is you can say to the "Speakerphone" things like "Answer Call" and "Hangup Call", if one could transfer contacts then you could say things like "Call Tracy's Mobile" and so on, only way to do this now is to use the Voice assistance offered in iPhone and that means using your hands . > From eric_caron at Mac-Access.net Tue Nov 15 01:01:52 2011 From: eric_caron at Mac-Access.net (Eric Caron) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 20:01:52 -0500 Subject: Remove the Time Machine backup file in your Trash with a terminal command [was Re: Trash refuses to empty] In-Reply-To: References: <1C7A27A1-F3F8-4D5E-AA92-EE1C4747818D@Mac-Access.net> <169E3E0D-41F5-4C3A-9152-1166E223922D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <43EF398D-FDFA-408B-B6B6-784316793424@Mac-Access.net> Hello Esther and others, Wow! Esther, I feel like I've learned a ton of information from this problem. Thanks to your post I've now used terminal and am less intimidated by it. In some ways it does bring back memories of a time when I was a pretty good DOS user. I followed your commands and even snagged help from James Austin over Skype. So I'm pretty sure I got the syntax and spacing and such correct. Still no luck in emptying the trash. That is no luck when the external drive was plugged in. It seemed to work normally when the external drive was not connected. Although I'm now inspired to read Take control of the Command Line In Terminal, I think for now I'll resolve the problem by simply reformatting my Time Machine drive. I use it really as a second backup to my Carbon Copy Clone so I'm OK with starting over. Hopefully this will solve the problem. Thank you again for all the information and extra bits of knowledge that filled this and other posts! Eric Caron On Nov 13, 2011, at 10:47 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Eric, > > This is going to take a little testing on my part, and reviewing the Preferences setups you should have for Terminal to hear things spoken with VoiceOver, but first let me ask whether your TIme Machine disk is currently mounted. If, under Finder, you can use the Command-Shift-G "Go to Folder" shortcut, and type in: > /Volumes/My Time Machine > then press Return, and be placed in the top level of your Time Machine volume, then under the Terminal Application you would type either: > cd /Volumes/My\ Time\ Machine > with backslashes added before each space in the name of your volume, before you press Return, or else you need to enclose the entire path name inside quotation marks like this: > cd "/Volumes/My Time Machine" > and then press return for the first command. You may find it easier to just put quotation marks around the name of your Time Machine volume. Terminal is like DOS command line. The reason that you need to either put quotation marks around your path name if it includes spaces, or precede every space inside the name of the path with a backslash character, is that terms separated by spaces are treated as different arguments or parameters in a command. Without the quotation marks or backslashes, your "cd" command to change your current directory would be interpreted as a request to change to a mounted volume named "My", since there would be a space after the first word. When the command is executed, I'll hear VoiceOver say "newline Apples-MacBook-Pro:~ esther$" for the prompt, if this hasn't been redefined. > > You correctly typed the second command as: > sudo rm -rf .Trashes > > I have my Terminal preferences set up so that when I launch this application with VoiceOver on, VoiceOver reads the response prompt from Terminal. Sarah is correct that when there is no new response prompt, Terminal has usually just executed your command. However, if I precede a command by typing "sudo", I should certainly get a command line prompt in return for "Password:" before the command is executed, because the "sudo" command means that I want to execute the command with superuser privileges. I won't be allowed to proceed without supplying a password that authorizes me to do this. I don't hear my password echoed as I type it. When the shell executes my command, I'll hear the default prompt back of "newline Apples-MacBook-Pro:~ esther$" (I'm doing this in an account where the default prompt has not been reset; most VoiceOver users who work in Terminal a lot will customize their prompt in the shell so they don't have to listen to all that every time they type a command.) > > I'll have to check the setup parameters that Travis gave in his "Hints on using Terminal" post last October. However, what you can do is try typing: > rm -rf .Trashes > followed by a press of the Return key in Terminal for your second command, and then check in your Trash to see if your problem file is removed. I'm guessing that you need your Admin user privileges to remove it, though, which is why we're using Terminal. The command line interface gives you the ability to execute commands that you can't usually run from the GUI interface. > > And the first time you type in a "sudo" command, the shell will probably respond with a warning message that asks you whether you are sure you want to do this. > > Let me do some checking and get back to you. Maybe somebody else can make suggestions. D?nal probably routinely teaches this sort of setup to his students. I have a link saved to the post Travis wrote about setting up Terminal last October, but it's really long, and he goes through absolutely every Window. I suspect that you only need to change a few settings under the "Settings" category of Terminal Preferences in order to make your changes -- mainly on the "Advanced" tab of the Settings where you change the Terminal emulation to "vt100", and the boxes for "Paste new lines as carriage returns" and "Scroll to bottom on input" checked. > > I think you may have to restart your machine, or at least quit Terminal and restart it to have the new settings take effect. If Travis Siegel, Jon Cohn, or D?nal are on line, one of them can probably give much better instructions about this than I can! Or James may remember the Terminal preference settings setup for VoiceOver. > > If you're interested, this is the link to Travis' (very long) "Hints on using terminal" post: > http://mail.tft-bbs.co.uk/pipermail/mac-access/2010/004769.html > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Nov 13, 2011, at 15:24, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Acutlaly if you hit enter and no prompt comes up you usually did it correctly. Try em[tying yoru trash to see if it solved the problem. I suck at using the terminal but all it is is something like a dos prompt. if you can think of it that way you should be fine. >> >> Take care. >> On Nov 13, 2011, at 5:07 PM, Eric Caron wrote: >> >>> Esther and others, >>> >>> I've never liked the idea of using something called "Terminal" It sounds way too final and almost deadly! But despite my fear I'm willing to try to do this as I'm sure Esther has discovered my problem. >>> >>> I have tried to follow the directions but as this is my first Terminal experience I have not yet met success. >>> >>> I went to terminal and ran the program. >>> I hoped I was in the correct spot and typed the first line. >>> I then typed the second line using the one that started with sudo >>> I entered my password and hit return a third time >>> >>> nothing seemed to happen. >>> >>> I'm wondering if I'm understanding how to get the correct path name. >>> >>> My time machine is simply called "My time Machine" >>> >>> here is what I typed once Terminal was opened >>> cd /Volumes/My Time Machine >>> sudo rm -rf .Trashes >>> >>> I then pressed return and entered my pass word. I pressed return again and nothing seemed to happen. >>> >>> I'm sure I'm not doing something simple that I don't know as a new Terminal user. >>> >>> >>> I'm very happy That Esther identified my problem though. >>> >>> Eric Caron >>> On Nov 13, 2011, at 4:18 PM, Esther wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Eric, >>>> >>>> From the file name you mentioned in your system message, the problematic file is a Time Machine backup file that was moved to the trash in the middle of its backup activity, and the reason that you are having difficulty getting your Trash to empty completely is that your Mac considers this to be file that is still open by an active process. The default behavior is not to let you empty the Trash when such files are still open and being worked on by active applications, because this could potentially be something you want to keep -- or else why wouldn't you have closed the application? >>>> >>>> The instances where this kind of behavior can be confusing include when you are trying to eject a volume or shutdown, when you're told it is still active or a file is in use, or when something is being accessed by Time Machine backups, since it's easy to forget that this process may be running in the background. In the first case, which usually happens when you mount a USB memory stick and either navigate into folders because you want to transfer files between the memory stick and your computer, the solution is to check your Finder windows to make sure you're not in a folder or sub-directory of the device you're trying to eject. As long as you're in the file structure, even if you're not actively playing an MP3 file or quick looking a file, or editing text on the mounted volume, that device is considered to be "in use" and can't be ejected, so either close that Finder window or navigate up to the top level of the device with Command+Up arrow. >>>> >>>> In the case of your Time Machine backup, it sounds as though you "deleted" a .InProgress file by moving it into the Trash, but can't empty the Trash because the file is on an attached disk drive. You'll need to open Terminal, and use the command line "cd" command to change to your Time Machine drive, then use the "rm" command to remove your ".Trashes" file. Depending on how the drive is set up, and the response you get to trying to do these commands, you may also have to first change the permissions in the directory so that you can remove the files with a "chmod" command. Travis, or someone else familiar with the permissions status of these files can probably assist you if you run into a glitch here. >>>> >>>> I"d try something like the following: >>>> 1. Open a Terminal window. (I keep Terminal in my dock, but you can launch it from Finder by pressing Command-Shift-U to move to your Utilities folder, then press "T" to navigate to "Terminal", and Command+Down Arrow to launch the app). >>>> 2. In Terminal, type: >>>> cd /Volumes/ >>>> and press Return after typing the line. You need to type the name of your Time Machine drive. An easy way to do this is to navigate to your Computer in a Finder window by pressing Command-Shift-C. Then navigate to the entry for your Time Machine volume, and press Command-C to copy the path to that location. Command-Tab back to the Terminal window, type: >>>> "cd" (without quotation marks) at the start of the line, press space bar, then press Command-V to paste in the path to your Time Machine drive, then press Return. The command line might look like: >>>> cd /Volumes/Time\ Machine >>>> >>>> Then, on the next line, type either: >>>> rm -rf .Trashes >>>> followed by a press of the Return key, or else >>>> sudo rm -rf .Trashes >>>> followed by a press of the Return key. >>>> >>>> I suspect that you may have to use the second line, which requires you to supply your Admin password with superuser privileges in response to the prompt. >>>> >>>> It should take a short time to remove the file, depending on how large the backup file was. I don't have a system that I can run a test check right now, so someone else may be able to fill in the details. >>>> >>>> HTH. Cheers, >>>> >>>> Esther >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 13, 2011, at 09:06, Eric Caron wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello helpful listers, >>>>> >>>>> For several months now I have not been able to get my trash to completely empty. Now things seem even worse. When I now attempt to empty my trash I'm asked if I want to delete unlocked or all items. No matter what I choose the next message that comes up is, >>>>> >>>>> "The operation can?t be completed because the item ?2011-09-19-163521.inProgress? is in use." >>>>> >>>>> This happens even after I restart my mac book and have not opened a program. >>>>> >>>>> This is a new problem as in the past I could at least empty the unlocked items. >>>>> >>>>> Suggestions would be greatly appreciated! >>>>> >>>>> eRic Caron > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Nov 15 02:28:33 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:28:33 +1100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Jawbone=AE_JamBox?= In-Reply-To: <475EDA6D-4993-4815-AB5D-7730311B7990@mac.com> References: <5CB46F15-F6AC-4D49-B3FF-FAA2B4190B87@internode.on.net> <4DA40C45-6391-4DB1-AE1A-A4015124B990@mac-access.net> <475EDA6D-4993-4815-AB5D-7730311B7990@mac.com> Message-ID: Thanks for that tip, I'll give it a go and no, I didn't think of using iSync in that way , if I can get the system working then it will be a huge bonus as the "speakerphone" will then be truly hands free. I'll repeat what I said in my original message, I'd love to give details of the ""speakerphone" I bought but its an in-house special from a well known supplier in Australia thus I'm not sure whether it would be available in other countries and therefore I'm not sure what name it would go under. Its a pity too because its a damn nice unit to use with an iPhone or any other device that can control bluetooth hands free or Speakerphone kits. A little more detail on how excellent this "Speakerphone" is at handling itself in different environments. Suppose you're in a noisy environment then the "Speakerphone" increases the volume of the party at the other end to ensure you hear it, if the environment around you is quiet then the volume of the other end of the call drops. When I first read about this feature of the system I had my doubts as to whether a person with a hearing impairment would find this facility of use, no doubts at all now and I find it extremely beneficial. On 15/11/2011, at 11:19 AM, Esther wrote: > Hi Lynne and Dane, > > Lynne, my reading of this section of Dane's post is that he is writing about the device he bought to use as a speakerphone with his iPhone in place of the Jambox. I don't have enough knowledge of that device (which isn't specified) to know whether his statement about problems transferring contacts via Bluetooth are incorrect for this device. Dane's other comments were his experience with using the Jambox for speakerphone functions when paired to his iPhone, so they do seem relevant. > > Dane, you might check whether your other Bluetooth device is supported by iSync. If you still have this application from a Time Machine backup of Snow Leopard, you can put it in your Applications folder and check whether it works for transferring calendar and contact information via Bluetooth from your Mac. > > For more details, read my archived post to Stuart about iSync: > Getting iSync back for Lion [was Re: I sink alturnitive for lion] > http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access at mac-access.net/msg03920.html > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > > On Nov 14, 2011, at 14:05, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> I refer specifically to the below quoted text as the rest of this was way off topic. :) >> >> You clearly haven't investigated this very thoroughly. You're entitled to your opinions, of course. >> >> On 14 Nov 2011, at 22:12, Dane Trethowan wrote: >> >> Unfortunately it would appear that this "speakerphone" system I bought cannot be used to its full potential when paired with an Apple iPhone, as far as I'm aware one cannot transfer contacts from an Apple iPhone to another device using Bluetooth, if one could then this device could go even further in enhancing one's use of a "Speakerphone" by providing a complete voice assistant. As is you can say to the "Speakerphone" things like "Answer Call" and "Hangup Call", if one could transfer contacts then you could say things like "Call Tracy's Mobile" and so on, only way to do this now is to use the Voice assistance offered in iPhone and that means using your hands . >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From cfgolding at comcast.net Tue Nov 15 02:55:01 2011 From: cfgolding at comcast.net (Catherine Golding) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:55:01 -0800 Subject: Deleting a document Message-ID: <00a001cca341$fa7253a0$ef56fae0$@net> I can't find anywhere where it tells me how to delete a document. I'm sure it's very simple, but how do I do it? Catherine Golding Olympia, Washington From opensesame at me.com Tue Nov 15 02:55:37 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 21:55:37 -0500 Subject: anybody have any bento experience? In-Reply-To: <4F20E25C-87BF-4DD1-8E59-DEF478BC69B0@mac-access.net> References: <4F20E25C-87BF-4DD1-8E59-DEF478BC69B0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <403A4F09-D0E5-4474-860D-87A4A9497297@me.com> Hello Justin, I'd like to help but need a little clarification first, if you don't mind: 1. Regarding the popup: Are you using what bento calls a "Choice" field? 2. When you say you're unable to make the popups behave as they should, can you give some exact details of how you think they should behave and maybe list the steps you've taken so far and the results you're getting? 3. I'm not clear on your question regarding the number field. Can you give an example to show what you mean about a number that is used to look up information? Cheers, Bryan On Nov 14, 2011, at 6:51 PM, Justin Mann wrote: > I am creating a database in bento and the process seems straight forward. However, I'm not able to affectively make the pop-ups behave like they should. I'm also trying to figure out what field to use where. Do you use a number field to store a number that is used to look up information? Can this be done in text field? From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Nov 15 03:20:01 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:20:01 +1100 Subject: anybody have any bento experience? In-Reply-To: <403A4F09-D0E5-4474-860D-87A4A9497297@me.com> References: <4F20E25C-87BF-4DD1-8E59-DEF478BC69B0@mac-access.net> <403A4F09-D0E5-4474-860D-87A4A9497297@me.com> Message-ID: <39C69CFA-C426-427C-AFCA-D35E78A91F76@internode.on.net> Hi! I think Justin's referring to the "Choice" type of field you can create with Bento, you can certainly define the choices - whether they be "Yes", "No" or anything else in the creation process but you cannot access the choice list it seems with Voiceover when you're adding a record. You can see the Choice "Pop-up" menu but you can't select one of the predefined choices from that using Voiceover. I wasn't aware of this possible access problem with Bento having never required choice fields in any of the project databases I've so far created with the software. I'm going to see if there may be a way round this, for example using the Bento app on my iPad to access a database with multiple choice fields, see at least if it can be done that way. You could of course import your data into your database but as Justin has said himself, not everyone's technically minded enough to be able to or want to do that . I haven't played around with the number fields yet but I would imagine - from other database packages I've used - that they could be rather fussy depending on the sort of number format they require so - unless you have a specific need for number fields - a text field should suffice. On 15/11/2011, at 1:55 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hello Justin, > > I'd like to help but need a little clarification first, if you don't mind: > 1. Regarding the popup: Are you using what bento calls a "Choice" field? > 2. When you say you're unable to make the popups behave as they should, can you give some exact details of how you think they should behave and maybe list the steps you've taken so far and the results you're getting? > 3. I'm not clear on your question regarding the number field. Can you give an example to show what you mean about a number that is used to look up information? > > Cheers, > Bryan > > > On Nov 14, 2011, at 6:51 PM, Justin Mann wrote: >> I am creating a database in bento and the process seems straight forward. However, I'm not able to affectively make the pop-ups behave like they should. I'm also trying to figure out what field to use where. Do you use a number field to store a number that is used to look up information? Can this be done in text field? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From w9fyi at mac-access.net Tue Nov 15 04:14:17 2011 From: w9fyi at mac-access.net (Justin Mann) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 22:14:17 -0600 Subject: anybody have any bento experience? In-Reply-To: <403A4F09-D0E5-4474-860D-87A4A9497297@me.com> References: <4F20E25C-87BF-4DD1-8E59-DEF478BC69B0@mac-access.net> <403A4F09-D0E5-4474-860D-87A4A9497297@me.com> Message-ID: <2561E772-A67A-4E27-A9F2-EAA09CB150FC@mac-access.net> Hi there, I'll try to describe in how this database is supposed to be laid out, I"ll give field name, type, and description Vehicle is from: choice Provides a drop-down of three possible choices upsbrown/upsfreight/upssupplychain receive date: unsure of field type field used to enter date pertaining to when vehicle was purchased Unit number: unsure of field type provides a number used to identify the vehicle Location: Address field provides the current location where the vehicle is waiting for pickup vehicle type: choice provides a drop down list as to what kind of vehicle it is. tractor/trailer/dolly/packagecar/forklift/pickuptruck Vehicle running: choice provides a drop-down with two options yes/no Vehicle will be: choice provides two options exported/delivered to disposal location UPS contact: not sure of field type provides where to put the name of the point of contact that can be called about this vehicle Contractor: ideally choice, if choices could be made to populate name and address of contractor who is going to pick up vehicle once choice is selected. Deliver to: choice a drop-down of choices that would denote where vehicle was going. Only about eight possible places they can go. Would love if address of deliver to location could be populated if choice is selected. delivery date: unsure of field type field used to enter date of delivery of vehicle The goal is to be able to take this database, and if needed export it out to a .csv file if somebody needs to see what's going on and/or needs to pull this up in excel. I see in bento where you can create a new library from a blank template, and I've done this. Then comes the adding fields part which is the area that I think I'm having trouble. I press the "add new field" button, and I choose whether this field is going to be text/number/choice/checkbox/whatever, and then I name the field. if I use the choice option, I'm presented with a button beside the field name edit box that give me options to enter choice1/choice2/etc. I hope this all makes sense. I hope this provides a bit more clarification as to what I'm asking for. Thanks, Justin Thanks for any help you can give, Justin On Nov 14, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hello Justin, > > I'd like to help but need a little clarification first, if you don't mind: > 1. Regarding the popup: Are you using what bento calls a "Choice" field? > 2. When you say you're unable to make the popups behave as they should, can you give some exact details of how you think they should behave and maybe list the steps you've taken so far and the results you're getting? > 3. I'm not clear on your question regarding the number field. Can you give an example to show what you mean about a number that is used to look up information? > > Cheers, > Bryan > > > On Nov 14, 2011, at 6:51 PM, Justin Mann wrote: >> I am creating a database in bento and the process seems straight forward. However, I'm not able to affectively make the pop-ups behave like they should. I'm also trying to figure out what field to use where. Do you use a number field to store a number that is used to look up information? Can this be done in text field? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Nov 15 04:28:53 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:28:53 -0500 Subject: Registering your Apple Products for a permanent record of serial numbers [was Re: What Type of Mac goes with this hardware address?] In-Reply-To: References: <201111142116.pAELGJe9043063@x.it.okstate.edu> Message-ID: <92FE6EC3-F70D-41E6-A54A-1429E4D39863@softcon.com> Adding to the confusion, the numbers you listed aren't actual hardware addresses of the machines, but what's commonly referred to as the mac address of the devices in question. And, since it's possible to clone mac addresses (I.E. my wireless router can clone the mac adress of the modem my cable provider gave me if I needed to do this just so the wireless router could still connect to their network, and still serve it's purpose as a wireless router. Things like this get quite confusing, and this is why some businesses drop programs on the machines so that they'll call for help if they are stolen. Of course, nothing helps if the machines have been wiped clean and reinstalled, except for the mac address, which (as mentioned above) can be cloned, so you think you got the real machine, but actually it could be a clever ruse by someone to lead to the wrong device. The good news is though, mac addresses are supposed to be unique, just like apple's serial numbers. It's possible if you contact apple, they can tell you what model macs those mac addresses were assigned to. In practice though, there have been cases in the past of manufacturers did make an entire run of network cards all with the same mac address, so even that system isn't foolproof. So, probably your best shot at this point is to contact apple, and see if they can offer any assistance. Even if they can't tell you exactly what the machine was, they should at least be able to offer a rough estimate, (such as an imac ppc, or minimac intel or something similar) Checking the mac address on my ethernet adapter yields a mac address that starts with 00:0D, while checking the one on the airport card (in the same machine) gives me 00:11 as the first two bites. Since the wireless card was replaced sometime after I had the machine, this is exactly what I'd expect. If nothing else, apple could robably at least give you a year of manufacture if nothing else. hth. From tsiegel at softcon.com Tue Nov 15 04:38:44 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 23:38:44 -0500 Subject: anybody have any bento experience? In-Reply-To: <2561E772-A67A-4E27-A9F2-EAA09CB150FC@mac-access.net> References: <4F20E25C-87BF-4DD1-8E59-DEF478BC69B0@mac-access.net> <403A4F09-D0E5-4474-860D-87A4A9497297@me.com> <2561E772-A67A-4E27-A9F2-EAA09CB150FC@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <15A41852-06E5-4BB2-8F0D-4D2B89658D01@softcon.com> Does this database have to be on a local machine? I.E. would a php driven mysql database on an internet host do the trick? I know you'd like to get bento to work, I would too in your place, but if a web alternative is doable (may obviate the need to export it, since they could just access it from anywhere they have net access) then building such an animal is relatively simple, and could probably be done in just a few hours/days, including the php code needed for driving the web pages to do the interfacing. Just another option, no harm done if it doesn't work for you in this case. From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Nov 15 04:38:59 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 04:38:59 +0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Jawbone=AE_JamBox?= In-Reply-To: <475EDA6D-4993-4815-AB5D-7730311B7990@mac.com> References: <5CB46F15-F6AC-4D49-B3FF-FAA2B4190B87@internode.on.net> <4DA40C45-6391-4DB1-AE1A-A4015124B990@mac-access.net> <475EDA6D-4993-4815-AB5D-7730311B7990@mac.com> Message-ID: <29040737-61DD-42AA-991E-B884BB775CFF@mac-access.net> Hello Esther & Dane Esther; yes, on reflection I think you're right on that one, I didn't read that message in the right context. So I retract what I said regarding Dane's post being off topic. Actually though, transferring contacts isn't possible as far as I know at least not without an add-on. But my point was in response to Dane comments about the audio aspect. I've used it with great success and had absolutely no noise problems whatever. Then again possibly Dane needs super-high volume, I don't know. However, there are quite a few applications I gather for the Jambox and some of them relate to the iPhone but the website isn't the most accessible. I might have to try and mimic some of it for the convenience of users. Lynne On 15 Nov 2011, at 00:19, Esther wrote: Lynne, my reading of this section of Dane's post is that he is writing about the device he bought to use as a speakerphone with his iPhone in place of the Jambox. I don't have enough knowledge of that device (which isn't specified) to know whether his statement about problems transferring contacts via Bluetooth are incorrect for this device. Dane's other comments were his experience with using the Jambox for speakerphone functions when paired to his iPhone, so they do seem relevant. From lister at noeyes.dk Tue Nov 15 04:01:01 2011 From: lister at noeyes.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?J=F8rgen_Skov_Nielsen?=) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:01:01 +0100 Subject: remote another mac In-Reply-To: <4EBBF9B8.9040502@techno-chat.net> References: <011d01cc9f8c$e675f630$b361e290$@gmail.com> <4EBBF9B8.9040502@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <91F91448-3F00-44C3-93E7-2C009F8083F3@noeyes.dk> Hello All I use Lion, and sometimes i help friends and family with lion questions. is it possible to remote a mac with lion. I want a program, i can use with VoiceOver. Thanks in advance. Best Regards Jorgen From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Nov 15 04:56:06 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:56:06 +1100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Jawbone=AE_JamBox?= In-Reply-To: <29040737-61DD-42AA-991E-B884BB775CFF@mac-access.net> References: <5CB46F15-F6AC-4D49-B3FF-FAA2B4190B87@internode.on.net> <4DA40C45-6391-4DB1-AE1A-A4015124B990@mac-access.net> <475EDA6D-4993-4815-AB5D-7730311B7990@mac.com> <29040737-61DD-42AA-991E-B884BB775CFF@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <8C13D986-CBEC-427C-85A9-A522B44D4A5F@internode.on.net> Yep, its possible that apps may solve the noise cancelling problems that the Jambox suffers from, I'll look into that but the fact is - as is when you purchase the Jambox - it doesn't have any noise cancelling abilities and mutes the other end of a conversation when you're talking. This can be very annoying if you're talking with someone else on another hands free system. As I've stated I'm not deliberately singling out the Jambox in this regard as a common problem with probably the majority of "speakerphone" units on the planet today. I also stated that there are units which overcome this problem and - given that Jambox is an intelligent unit capable of being upgraded - then its quite possible that Jawbone may have written a fix for the problem. The Jambox does quite a good job given that the microphone is close to the speaker but there are better devices about when it comes to "Speakerphones. On 15/11/2011, at 3:38 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Esther & Dane > > Esther; yes, on reflection I think you're right on that one, I didn't read that message in the right context. So I retract what I said regarding Dane's post being off topic. > > Actually though, transferring contacts isn't possible as far as I know at least not without an add-on. But my point was in response to Dane comments about the audio aspect. I've used it with great success and had absolutely no noise problems whatever. Then again possibly Dane needs super-high volume, I don't know. > > However, there are quite a few applications I gather for the Jambox and some of them relate to the iPhone but the website isn't the most accessible. I might have to try and mimic some of it for the convenience of users. > > Lynne > > On 15 Nov 2011, at 00:19, Esther wrote: > > Lynne, my reading of this section of Dane's post is that he is writing about the device he bought to use as a speakerphone with his iPhone in place of the Jambox. I don't have enough knowledge of that device (which isn't specified) to know whether his statement about problems transferring contacts via Bluetooth are incorrect for this device. Dane's other comments were his experience with using the Jambox for speakerphone functions when paired to his iPhone, so they do seem relevant. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From w9fyi at mac-access.net Tue Nov 15 04:57:31 2011 From: w9fyi at mac-access.net (Justin Mann) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 22:57:31 -0600 Subject: anybody have any bento experience? In-Reply-To: <15A41852-06E5-4BB2-8F0D-4D2B89658D01@softcon.com> References: <4F20E25C-87BF-4DD1-8E59-DEF478BC69B0@mac-access.net> <403A4F09-D0E5-4474-860D-87A4A9497297@me.com> <2561E772-A67A-4E27-A9F2-EAA09CB150FC@mac-access.net> <15A41852-06E5-4BB2-8F0D-4D2B89658D01@softcon.com> Message-ID: <7DE13765-DB09-401B-920E-592F0F29455D@mac-access.net> I'd take it where I could get it. I just don't know anything about building this sort of a database. I've never used php/mysql. On Nov 14, 2011, at 10:38 PM, Travis Siegel wrote: > Does this database have to be on a local machine? > I.E. would a php driven mysql database on an internet host do the trick? > I know you'd like to get bento to work, I would too in your place, but if a web alternative is doable (may obviate the need to export it, since they could just access it from anywhere they have net access) then building such an animal is relatively simple, and could probably be done in just a few hours/days, including the php code needed for driving the web pages to do the interfacing. > Just another option, no harm done if it doesn't work for you in this case. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Nov 15 04:58:16 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 04:58:16 +0000 Subject: remote another mac In-Reply-To: <91F91448-3F00-44C3-93E7-2C009F8083F3@noeyes.dk> References: <011d01cc9f8c$e675f630$b361e290$@gmail.com> <4EBBF9B8.9040502@techno-chat.net> <91F91448-3F00-44C3-93E7-2C009F8083F3@noeyes.dk> Message-ID: <5EAEC046-BD98-46D2-AF30-C10BCF386345@mac-access.net> Hello Annie The only way I know would be to screen-share with iChat or, although I think it's less effective, Skype. I'm not sure whether that would give you full remote control; but Apple Remote Desktop is not accessible so don't spend your money on that unless you have sufficient vision to use it. I'm not aware of any other way other than SSH via the terminal which wouldn't give you the GUI as far as I understand it. Lynne On 15 Nov 2011, at 04:01, J?rgen Skov Nielsen wrote: Hello All I use Lion, and sometimes i help friends and family with lion questions. is it possible to remote a mac with lion. I want a program, i can use with VoiceOver. From moriond at mac.com Tue Nov 15 04:59:04 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 18:59:04 -1000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re=3A_Jawbone=C2=AE_JamBox?= In-Reply-To: <29040737-61DD-42AA-991E-B884BB775CFF@mac-access.net> References: <5CB46F15-F6AC-4D49-B3FF-FAA2B4190B87@internode.on.net> <4DA40C45-6391-4DB1-AE1A-A4015124B990@mac-access.net> <475EDA6D-4993-4815-AB5D-7730311B7990@mac.com> <29040737-61DD-42AA-991E-B884BB775CFF@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <09CABAAE-CCEA-460A-9A67-9C838471AC61@mac.com> Hello Lynne, I've used the Jambox in limited fashion as a speaker phone. I don't usually do phone calls under noisy circumstances, so the performance of the Jawbone Jambox was fine, the few instances where I used this. One use I have made of the Jambox in cars is as a speaker that will also let the driver hear audiobooks that are played during the trip. The volume of the small portable speakers works very well for this, on a few occasions where I was traveling with someone in a rental car, where there's no obvious guaranteed way of hooking your iPod, iPad, or iPhone devices to the speaker system. I'm rather wondering from the description whether the other "speakerphone" device Dane is using is the BlueAnt S3 Speakerphone, or maybe the newest S4 model of this Bluetooth device for car use. If so, this model is sold in other countries. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 14, 2011, at 18:38, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Esther & Dane > > Esther; yes, on reflection I think you're right on that one, I didn't read that message in the right context. So I retract what I said regarding Dane's post being off topic. > > Actually though, transferring contacts isn't possible as far as I know at least not without an add-on. But my point was in response to Dane comments about the audio aspect. I've used it with great success and had absolutely no noise problems whatever. Then again possibly Dane needs super-high volume, I don't know. > > However, there are quite a few applications I gather for the Jambox and some of them relate to the iPhone but the website isn't the most accessible. I might have to try and mimic some of it for the convenience of users. > > Lynne > > On 15 Nov 2011, at 00:19, Esther wrote: > > Lynne, my reading of this section of Dane's post is that he is writing about the device he bought to use as a speakerphone with his iPhone in place of the Jambox. I don't have enough knowledge of that device (which isn't specified) to know whether his statement about problems transferring contacts via Bluetooth are incorrect for this device. Dane's other comments were his experience with using the Jambox for speakerphone functions when paired to his iPhone, so they do seem relevant. From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Nov 15 05:06:23 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:06:23 +0000 Subject: JamBox Discussion Re-Located In-Reply-To: <8C13D986-CBEC-427C-85A9-A522B44D4A5F@internode.on.net> References: <5CB46F15-F6AC-4D49-B3FF-FAA2B4190B87@internode.on.net> <4DA40C45-6391-4DB1-AE1A-A4015124B990@mac-access.net> <475EDA6D-4993-4815-AB5D-7730311B7990@mac.com> <29040737-61DD-42AA-991E-B884BB775CFF@mac-access.net> <8C13D986-CBEC-427C-85A9-A522B44D4A5F@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <853469B0-F899-4F6D-A156-E34D89499D56@mac-access.net> Hello everybody I have moved the Jambox discussion to our sister list. If it would be helpful to sufficient people I will investigate the possibility of making the apps accessible but only if it justifies my time. If you're interested, contact me off list, or via Techno-Chat. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Nov 15 05:13:14 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:13:14 +0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Jawbone=AE_JamBox__=26_Apple_Hardware?= In-Reply-To: <09CABAAE-CCEA-460A-9A67-9C838471AC61@mac.com> References: <5CB46F15-F6AC-4D49-B3FF-FAA2B4190B87@internode.on.net> <4DA40C45-6391-4DB1-AE1A-A4015124B990@mac-access.net> <475EDA6D-4993-4815-AB5D-7730311B7990@mac.com> <29040737-61DD-42AA-991E-B884BB775CFF@mac-access.net> <09CABAAE-CCEA-460A-9A67-9C838471AC61@mac.com> Message-ID: <90BA7759-BF4C-42A3-98B8-6CD2C458A374@mac-access.net> Hello Esther Gordon and I use the JamBox every day, without exception, as both an audio listening device and also a speaker phone with our Apple hardware. It works fine. I do not believe, and I hope nobody else does either, that I mislead anybody in my review. I honestly have and do use the thing as I describe. I confess I'm interested now to know whether the contacts transfer issue is resolvable, and I will make enquiries. I'm not really sure it's a show-stopper though, not for me at least since there are lots of other ways to since our contacts and I'm not in the least interested in how it works with none-Apple devices from a personal viewpoint. But I will need to try the speaker phone in a noisy environment I guess, since I personally have never experienced difficulties using it at all. I have used it when travelling by car, although not whilst driving as that is illegal here in the UK and I'm not irresponsible enough to risk causing injury or worse simply for the sake of using a mobile phone. :) Lynne On 15 Nov 2011, at 04:59, Esther wrote: Hello Lynne, I've used the Jambox in limited fashion as a speaker phone. I don't usually do phone calls under noisy circumstances, so the performance of the Jawbone Jambox was fine, the few instances where I used this. One use I have made of the Jambox in cars is as a speaker that will also let the driver hear audiobooks that are played during the trip. The volume of the small portable speakers works very well for this, on a few occasions where I was traveling with someone in a rental car, where there's no obvious guaranteed way of hooking your iPod, iPad, or iPhone devices to the speaker system. I'm rather wondering from the description whether the other "speakerphone" device Dane is using is the BlueAnt S3 Speakerphone, or maybe the newest S4 model of this Bluetooth device for car use. If so, this model is sold in other countries. From moopiecurran at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 05:27:30 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:27:30 -0500 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Jawbone=AE_JamBox?= In-Reply-To: <29040737-61DD-42AA-991E-B884BB775CFF@mac-access.net> References: <5CB46F15-F6AC-4D49-B3FF-FAA2B4190B87@internode.on.net> <4DA40C45-6391-4DB1-AE1A-A4015124B990@mac-access.net> <475EDA6D-4993-4815-AB5D-7730311B7990@mac.com> <29040737-61DD-42AA-991E-B884BB775CFF@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi, I could never get the mic feature on the jambox to work with the iPod touch 4 or the iPad 2 and Skype, is it supposed to work that way? Thanks, Courtney On Nov 14, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Esther & Dane > > Esther; yes, on reflection I think you're right on that one, I didn't read that message in the right context. So I retract what I said regarding Dane's post being off topic. > > Actually though, transferring contacts isn't possible as far as I know at least not without an add-on. But my point was in response to Dane comments about the audio aspect. I've used it with great success and had absolutely no noise problems whatever. Then again possibly Dane needs super-high volume, I don't know. > > However, there are quite a few applications I gather for the Jambox and some of them relate to the iPhone but the website isn't the most accessible. I might have to try and mimic some of it for the convenience of users. > > Lynne > > On 15 Nov 2011, at 00:19, Esther wrote: > > Lynne, my reading of this section of Dane's post is that he is writing about the device he bought to use as a speakerphone with his iPhone in place of the Jambox. I don't have enough knowledge of that device (which isn't specified) to know whether his statement about problems transferring contacts via Bluetooth are incorrect for this device. Dane's other comments were his experience with using the Jambox for speakerphone functions when paired to his iPhone, so they do seem relevant. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Nov 15 05:30:57 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:30:57 +1100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Jawbone=AE_JamBox?= In-Reply-To: <09CABAAE-CCEA-460A-9A67-9C838471AC61@mac.com> References: <5CB46F15-F6AC-4D49-B3FF-FAA2B4190B87@internode.on.net> <4DA40C45-6391-4DB1-AE1A-A4015124B990@mac-access.net> <475EDA6D-4993-4815-AB5D-7730311B7990@mac.com> <29040737-61DD-42AA-991E-B884BB775CFF@mac-access.net> <09CABAAE-CCEA-460A-9A67-9C838471AC61@mac.com> Message-ID: I've used the Jambox in cars hence my comments on muting, noise cancellation etc and I've deliberately tested the Jambox with people I talk to on the phone to get their reaction to the audio they're hearing from me as well as the audio that I'm hearing from them. Yes, the Jambox as a speaker for playing talking books and the like does work work in the cars I've travelled in but they've been fairly quiet when the windows have been wound up, the major part of the noise factor can occur when the windows are wound down thus letting in other noise from the road and surrounding cars, tracks etc and that's where noise cancellation and control for a speakerphone is most important. Here's a tip if you're sitting on a couch with your Jambox and you're listening to music, Internet radio etc, stand the Jambox on the back rest of your couch or the headrest of your armchair and you'll find that the bass of the Jambox may resonate through your couch or chair thus transferring even more sound to your ears, that's what I've found here anyway so wonder if other people have found this. Regarding Jambox and syncing contacts? If I read the Jambox right then it was never intended that you sync contacts with it and nor has it been designed for that sort of thing, its an audio bluetooth device and thus doesn't have - as far as I'm aware - any bluetooth data capabilities which would allow the syncing of contacts whereas the bluetooth "Speakerphone" kit I've been trying to describe does have the ability to transfer data thus for its own voice recognition and activation system. Thanks for trying to find a similar model of "Speakerphone" to the one I've been trying to describe, I really should have contacted the company where I bought my "Speakerphone" kit from and asked them if they knew of any alternative brand names the kit was marketed under. On 15/11/2011, at 3:59 PM, Esther wrote: > Hello Lynne, > > I've used the Jambox in limited fashion as a speaker phone. I don't usually do phone calls under noisy circumstances, so the performance of the Jawbone Jambox was fine, the few instances where I used this. > > One use I have made of the Jambox in cars is as a speaker that will also let the driver hear audiobooks that are played during the trip. The volume of the small portable speakers works very well for this, on a few occasions where I was traveling with someone in a rental car, where there's no obvious guaranteed way of hooking your iPod, iPad, or iPhone devices to the speaker system. > > I'm rather wondering from the description whether the other "speakerphone" device Dane is using is the BlueAnt S3 Speakerphone, or maybe the newest S4 model of this Bluetooth device for car use. If so, this model is sold in other countries. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Nov 14, 2011, at 18:38, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Esther & Dane >> >> Esther; yes, on reflection I think you're right on that one, I didn't read that message in the right context. So I retract what I said regarding Dane's post being off topic. >> >> Actually though, transferring contacts isn't possible as far as I know at least not without an add-on. But my point was in response to Dane comments about the audio aspect. I've used it with great success and had absolutely no noise problems whatever. Then again possibly Dane needs super-high volume, I don't know. >> >> However, there are quite a few applications I gather for the Jambox and some of them relate to the iPhone but the website isn't the most accessible. I might have to try and mimic some of it for the convenience of users. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 15 Nov 2011, at 00:19, Esther wrote: >> >> Lynne, my reading of this section of Dane's post is that he is writing about the device he bought to use as a speakerphone with his iPhone in place of the Jambox. I don't have enough knowledge of that device (which isn't specified) to know whether his statement about problems transferring contacts via Bluetooth are incorrect for this device. Dane's other comments were his experience with using the Jambox for speakerphone functions when paired to his iPhone, so they do seem relevant. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Tue Nov 15 05:36:20 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:36:20 +1100 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Jawbone=AE_JamBox?= In-Reply-To: References: <5CB46F15-F6AC-4D49-B3FF-FAA2B4190B87@internode.on.net> <4DA40C45-6391-4DB1-AE1A-A4015124B990@mac-access.net> <475EDA6D-4993-4815-AB5D-7730311B7990@mac.com> <29040737-61DD-42AA-991E-B884BB775CFF@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9B4285DD-A918-4DD0-9F9D-AED1C066D4CE@internode.on.net> Hi! No, the Jambox won't work with Skype. I'm not sure whether this is a fault of Skype or a limitation of the IOS device. At least you can use the Microphone of your IOS device and the speaker of same as a "Speakerphone" so that's something, sounds very nice on the iPad I have to admit. I've gone away from using Skype on IOS devices, haven't tried Skype for a little while so things may have changed but the last time I tried it Voiceover was at times very sluggish, there was sluggish behaviour when tapping and using gestures and my iPad locked up a few times, only way I could fix this was to reset the iPad by holding down the "Home" key for a few seconds in conjunction with the "Power" key. On 15/11/2011, at 4:27 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > I could never get the mic feature on the jambox to work with the iPod touch 4 or the iPad 2 and Skype, is it supposed to work that way? > Thanks, > Courtney > On Nov 14, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Esther & Dane >> >> Esther; yes, on reflection I think you're right on that one, I didn't read that message in the right context. So I retract what I said regarding Dane's post being off topic. >> >> Actually though, transferring contacts isn't possible as far as I know at least not without an add-on. But my point was in response to Dane comments about the audio aspect. I've used it with great success and had absolutely no noise problems whatever. Then again possibly Dane needs super-high volume, I don't know. >> >> However, there are quite a few applications I gather for the Jambox and some of them relate to the iPhone but the website isn't the most accessible. I might have to try and mimic some of it for the convenience of users. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 15 Nov 2011, at 00:19, Esther wrote: >> >> Lynne, my reading of this section of Dane's post is that he is writing about the device he bought to use as a speakerphone with his iPhone in place of the Jambox. I don't have enough knowledge of that device (which isn't specified) to know whether his statement about problems transferring contacts via Bluetooth are incorrect for this device. Dane's other comments were his experience with using the Jambox for speakerphone functions when paired to his iPhone, so they do seem relevant. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Tue Nov 15 05:43:27 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 05:43:27 +0000 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Jawbone=AE_JamBox?= In-Reply-To: References: <5CB46F15-F6AC-4D49-B3FF-FAA2B4190B87@internode.on.net> <4DA40C45-6391-4DB1-AE1A-A4015124B990@mac-access.net> <475EDA6D-4993-4815-AB5D-7730311B7990@mac.com> <29040737-61DD-42AA-991E-B884BB775CFF@mac-access.net> <09CABAAE-CCEA-460A-9A67-9C838471AC61@mac.com> Message-ID: There is a talking dialler application built-in to the JamBox although I've never tried it. My understanding was always that the iPhone handled the contacts side of it once you gave the name. Lynne On 15 Nov 2011, at 05:30, Dane Trethowan wrote: I've used the Jambox in cars hence my comments on muting, noise cancellation etc and I've deliberately tested the Jambox with people I talk to on the phone to get their reaction to the audio they're hearing from me as well as the audio that I'm hearing from them. From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Tue Nov 15 06:26:25 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:26:25 +1100 Subject: New Support Person Added To Mac Access In-Reply-To: <0DD30416-5D94-4556-9609-B89275E976A1@mac-access.net> References: <0DD30416-5D94-4556-9609-B89275E976A1@mac-access.net> Message-ID: congratulations tracey wish you well in helping all of us On 15/11/2011, at 4:22 AM, Gordon, Lynne & Tracy wrote: > Hello everybody > > It is with the greatest of pleasure that I am able to tell the group that a new member has now joined the Mac Access support team. Tracy Thompson, the best nurse ever to have it planet earth, has now turned her hand to a new and, thus far, untested skill which she has been developing under our guidance for some time now. Tracy will be here when we are not, in order to better serve the group with the main stream support service. I should say at once that this does not in any way change the capacity of our two able and capable assistant list controllers, Anne and James. > > Tracy's function will be simply to act as a backup for Gordon and myself and to take the strain when things get a little more tough than they are usually. I am sure Tracy will say hello when she's ready; and tell you a little about herself and what she hopes to bring to the group. > > No; she isn't a computer guru at all. But she does have a great deal of experience in working with people, as you'd imagine, as she's a highly qualified nurse by profession. > > Those of you who already know Tracy will be aware that she is keen and eager to learn, and just as keen and eager to help. Gordon and I have much to be grateful to her for; and this is just the latest thing to add to our list. > > Lynne > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Tue Nov 15 06:31:03 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:31:03 +1100 Subject: anybody have any bento experience? In-Reply-To: <4F20E25C-87BF-4DD1-8E59-DEF478BC69B0@mac-access.net> References: <4F20E25C-87BF-4DD1-8E59-DEF478BC69B0@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <8756C2C1-1F9A-4ABA-A24F-CB2B98B984C4@bluebottle.com> hi the bento on i phone is easier to use but i can't seem to be able to name my template on both mac and i o s version of the app i for some reason find the i o s version easier to navagate around On 15/11/2011, at 10:51 AM, Justin Mann wrote: > Hi listers, > I am creating a database in bento and the process seems straight forward. However, I'm not able to affectively make the pop-ups behave like they should. I'm also trying to figure out what field to use where. Do you use a number field to store a number that is used to look up information? Can this be done in text field? > THis is probably obvious, but I seem to be needing some hand-holding for some reason. Thanks for help in advance. > Justin > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Tue Nov 15 06:46:39 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:46:39 +1100 Subject: database for i phone In-Reply-To: <97E21858-B1C0-4CBF-98A4-F315BFDABA33@me.com> References: <97E21858-B1C0-4CBF-98A4-F315BFDABA33@me.com> Message-ID: thanks i made my data bass but can't name it? there is no way to name it on the i phone? like dvd cattalog or what ever it just calls it blank it says to double click it to name it on the mac but don't know how to do this using v o any help would be awesome thanks On 14/11/2011, at 3:50 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: > What many of us might normally refer to as a database is referred to as a "Library" in Bento-speak. I'm guessing this choice of words comes from the fact that Bento is the low-end sibling of the Filemaker relational database package where a database is made up of a number of libraries. Bento is a simple flat-file application where libraries are not linked. > > To add a new library using the Bento for iPhone app, go to the Bento Home screen by tapping the button labeled "Home" in the bottom left corner of the app, and then tap the button misleadingly labeled "RecordAdd" in the bottom right corner of the screen. You can learn about adding libraries by reading the help topic called "Working with Libraries." > > I find the Bento Mac and iPhone apps to be very helpful and quite VO friendly, although the Mac version is imperfect and tends to flake out with VO more often than some other apps. The PDF version of the Bento for Mac user guide is one of the few PDF documents that I found to be truly navigable in Preview. It is a very good beginner's guide to Bento for Mac, but for more advanced work you'll need to scour the web. I have not used their templates, but there is a hole community that creates templates and makes them available through what they call the Bento Template Exchange, which is linked from their website. > > HTH, > Bryan > > On Nov 12, 2011, at 9:15 PM, krystal watson wrote: > >> can i add other databases how do i use them i broght both the mac and i o s version looks complacated from my first look but i will get used to it i am sure >> On 13/11/2011, at 3:41 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: >> >>> I use Bento for iPhone and iTouch. It costs US $4.99. It is fully VO accessible and can sync with Bento for Mac and Bento for iPad if you also use those products. You can select a field and sort ascending or descending. It can also be used to manage your contacts, tasks and calendar in a tabular format that I sometimes find preferable to the interface of those native apps. I keep meaning to add a review to applevis, but.... Maybe this weekend. >>> >>> The Help button within Bento presents a thorough, if somewhat awkwardly organized, set of instructions for using the app. You can also view the help from any web browser by going to the following URL: >>> http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/7215/~/bento-for-iphone-and-ipod-touch-help >>> >>> Here's a link to Bento in the US iTunes App Store: >>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bento/id314638461?mt=8 >>> >>> HTH, >>> Bryan >>> >>> On Nov 12, 2011, at 4:16 AM, krystal watson wrote: >>> >>>> was wondering if its possible to or if there is a app out there so you can list your dvds and it will put them in a list in aphabetical order like the braille note has i like the one on that but the i phone is much smaller pluss my mum and dad can read and use the i phone to see what dvds i have if there was a database maniger any help would be nice thanks >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Tue Nov 15 12:34:42 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:34:42 +0000 Subject: Voxer Walkie Talkie Message-ID: <4EC25C62.9090808@techno-chat.net> Voxer Walkie Talkie is fantastic! This is an excellent alternative to Heytell. It is free. It allows you to both talk and text to your friends and family. You can even sign in with your Facebook account and talk to other Voxer users who are also in your Facebook address book. You can hold group chats at no additional charge, plus you can record for longer than you can with Heytell. This is wy I say it is an excellent alternative to Heytell. The app is also fully accessible with VoiceOver and I am not seeing any issues. So that is Voxer Walkie Talkie and you can get it of course from the apps store. It is free. From harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk Tue Nov 15 12:36:48 2011 From: harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk (Ian Harrison) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:36:48 +0000 Subject: Instapaper and Safari Message-ID: Hi to all, Am I right in thinking there is a way to bookmark articles in safari on the mac so that I can later read them on my iphone? If so, what do I have to do to enable this? I love instapaper. Ian From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Tue Nov 15 12:40:24 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:40:24 +0000 Subject: Voxer Walkie Talkie In-Reply-To: <4EC25C62.9090808@techno-chat.net> References: <4EC25C62.9090808@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <8F9165BF-5AD6-43B1-9523-04AB56AAC8F6@googlemail.com> Hello chris thanks for this will diffenatly take a look at this one. how long is the recording time on this? Ian McNamara From tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk Tue Nov 15 12:48:04 2011 From: tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk (Tracy Thompson) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:48:04 +0000 Subject: I am now on the support team Message-ID: <36498D9F-CA0E-45AF-86B8-D93A088E6404@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> Hello group Just to let you know that I am now working with the others on the support thing when Im not occupied elsewhere. That doesn't mean I'm doing anything for the list directly. It just means that you might get lumbered with me if the others are not available. I will do my best to help if I can and, if not, will pass you bad to the real experts. :) Most of what I will be doing will be helping out our direct clients rather than the group. But I just wanted you to know I am here as a backup. Tracy From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Tue Nov 15 12:58:24 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 23:58:24 +1100 Subject: I am now on the support team In-Reply-To: <36498D9F-CA0E-45AF-86B8-D93A088E6404@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> References: <36498D9F-CA0E-45AF-86B8-D93A088E6404@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> Message-ID: to the team and good luck smiles i know you wil do a good job smiley face and i am sure you will make many new friends as well take care talk soon smiles welcome On 15/11/2011, at 11:48 PM, Tracy Thompson wrote: > Hello group > > Just to let you know that I am now working with the others on the support thing when Im not occupied elsewhere. That doesn't mean I'm doing anything for the list directly. It just means that you might get lumbered with me if the others are not available. I will do my best to help if I can and, if not, will pass you bad to the real experts. :) > > Most of what I will be doing will be helping out our direct clients rather than the group. But I just wanted you to know I am here as a backup. > > Tracy > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Tue Nov 15 13:00:17 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 13:00:17 +0000 Subject: Voxer Walkie Talkie In-Reply-To: <8F9165BF-5AD6-43B1-9523-04AB56AAC8F6@googlemail.com> References: <4EC25C62.9090808@techno-chat.net> <8F9165BF-5AD6-43B1-9523-04AB56AAC8F6@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4EC26261.6010609@techno-chat.net> No time at all mate. On 15/11/2011 12:40, Ian McNamara wrote: > Hello chris thanks for this will diffenatly take a look at this one. how long is the recording time on this? > > Ian McNamara > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From opensesame at me.com Tue Nov 15 13:46:55 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 08:46:55 -0500 Subject: database for i phone In-Reply-To: References: <97E21858-B1C0-4CBF-98A4-F315BFDABA33@me.com> Message-ID: Changing a library name in Bento for iPhone and Bento for Mac can be done using the following methods, which are similar or identical to standard methods used in other IOS and Mac apps when making such changes. To change the name of your library in the Bento for iPhone App, do the following: 1. Go to the Bento home screen where your libraries are listed. 2. double-tap the "Edit" button located in the top right corner of the screen. This puts your list into edit mode. 3. navigate to the library whose name you wish to change, then swipe right once and you should hear VO announce the "more info" button for this library. 4. Double-tap the more info button. This will put you into the "edit library" screen for this library. 5. Navigate to the "library name" field and double-tap to begin editing it as you would any other IOS text field. 6. When done editing the library name, double-tap the button labeled "done" in the bottom right corner of the keyboard. This completes the process of changing the library name. To change the name of your library in the Bento for Mac App, do the following: 1. Make sure Bento's "Libraries and Fields Pane" is displayed. This pane is also known as the Source list, source pane, etc. You can toggle this pane from the view menu or by using the Command+5 keystroke. 2. Interact with the Source list. 3. Navigate to the library whose name you wish to change. 4. Press the Return key once to put the name into edit mode. VO should announce "contents selected." 5. Type the name you desire for your library and press return to complete the name change. HTH, Bryan 2. On Nov 15, 2011, at 1:46 AM, krystal watson wrote: > thanks i made my data bass but can't name it? there is no way to name it on the i phone? like dvd cattalog or what ever it just calls it blank it says to double click it to name it on the mac but don't know how to do this using v o any help would be awesome thanks > On 14/11/2011, at 3:50 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: > >> What many of us might normally refer to as a database is referred to as a "Library" in Bento-speak. I'm guessing this choice of words comes from the fact that Bento is the low-end sibling of the Filemaker relational database package where a database is made up of a number of libraries. Bento is a simple flat-file application where libraries are not linked. >> >> To add a new library using the Bento for iPhone app, go to the Bento Home screen by tapping the button labeled "Home" in the bottom left corner of the app, and then tap the button misleadingly labeled "RecordAdd" in the bottom right corner of the screen. You can learn about adding libraries by reading the help topic called "Working with Libraries." >> >> I find the Bento Mac and iPhone apps to be very helpful and quite VO friendly, although the Mac version is imperfect and tends to flake out with VO more often than some other apps. The PDF version of the Bento for Mac user guide is one of the few PDF documents that I found to be truly navigable in Preview. It is a very good beginner's guide to Bento for Mac, but for more advanced work you'll need to scour the web. I have not used their templates, but there is a hole community that creates templates and makes them available through what they call the Bento Template Exchange, which is linked from their website. >> >> HTH, >> Bryan >> >> On Nov 12, 2011, at 9:15 PM, krystal watson wrote: >> >>> can i add other databases how do i use them i broght both the mac and i o s version looks complacated from my first look but i will get used to it i am sure >>> On 13/11/2011, at 3:41 AM, Bryan Jones wrote: >>> >>>> I use Bento for iPhone and iTouch. It costs US $4.99. It is fully VO accessible and can sync with Bento for Mac and Bento for iPad if you also use those products. You can select a field and sort ascending or descending. It can also be used to manage your contacts, tasks and calendar in a tabular format that I sometimes find preferable to the interface of those native apps. I keep meaning to add a review to applevis, but.... Maybe this weekend. >>>> >>>> The Help button within Bento presents a thorough, if somewhat awkwardly organized, set of instructions for using the app. You can also view the help from any web browser by going to the following URL: >>>> http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/7215/~/bento-for-iphone-and-ipod-touch-help >>>> >>>> Here's a link to Bento in the US iTunes App Store: >>>> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/bento/id314638461?mt=8 >>>> >>>> HTH, >>>> Bryan >>>> >>>> On Nov 12, 2011, at 4:16 AM, krystal watson wrote: >>>> >>>>> was wondering if its possible to or if there is a app out there so you can list your dvds and it will put them in a list in aphabetical order like the braille note has i like the one on that but the i phone is much smaller pluss my mum and dad can read and use the i phone to see what dvds i have if there was a database maniger any help would be nice thanks >>>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>>> >>>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>>> >>>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>>> >>>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>>> . >>>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>>> >>>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From rex.attome at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 14:01:12 2011 From: rex.attome at gmail.com (rex holmes) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:01:12 -0000 Subject: How to turn off voice activation in I-touch References: <3AC1656111ED4F41B815B679087C0695@Blossom> Message-ID: I know this problem, it has been driving me mad. I discovered that I was pressing the home button for too long and this was turning it on. Immediately above the home button an off button appears so you can just switch it off. I Honestly don't know if there is a way of turning it off, I can't find a setting anywhere. Good luck stay with apple it is really worth it. Rex. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niamh" To: Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:38 PM Subject: How to turn off voice activation in I-touch >I have the very latest I-touch, and it keeps sliding into voice activation, >not voice over, but voice activation. > Can I kill it permanently? > Niamh going mad with it. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From molliesdad87 at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 14:07:59 2011 From: molliesdad87 at gmail.com (Bob Hill) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 09:07:59 -0500 Subject: I am now on the support team In-Reply-To: <36498D9F-CA0E-45AF-86B8-D93A088E6404@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> References: <36498D9F-CA0E-45AF-86B8-D93A088E6404@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> Message-ID: <145DD1FB-0124-4D97-903D-EFCA9E686EFD@gmail.com> Hi Tracy and all, Glad to meet you, and welcome aboard. Bob Hil On Nov 15, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Tracy Thompson wrote: > Hello group > > Just to let you know that I am now working with the others on the support thing when Im not occupied elsewhere. That doesn't mean I'm doing anything for the list directly. It just means that you might get lumbered with me if the others are not available. I will do my best to help if I can and, if not, will pass you bad to the real experts. :) > > Most of what I will be doing will be helping out our direct clients rather than the group. But I just wanted you to know I am here as a backup. > > Tracy > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From niam.mckeown at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 14:12:34 2011 From: niam.mckeown at gmail.com (Niamh) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:12:34 -0000 Subject: How to turn off voice activation in I-touch References: <3AC1656111ED4F41B815B679087C0695@Blossom> Message-ID: <1A3331118F4D40B3A2573027B9F91902@Blossom> Hi Rex, Thank you so much. Now I know what I have been doing wrong. Somebody said on this list it is a huge learning curve but worth it, this is true I am sure. Niamh ----- Original Message ----- From: "rex holmes" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 2:01 PM Subject: Re: How to turn off voice activation in I-touch >I know this problem, it has been driving me mad. > I discovered that I was pressing the home button for too long and this > was turning it on. > Immediately above the home button an off button appears so you can just > switch it off. > I Honestly don't know if there is a way of turning it off, I can't find a > setting anywhere. > Good luck stay with apple it is really worth it. > Rex. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Niamh" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:38 PM > Subject: How to turn off voice activation in I-touch > > >>I have the very latest I-touch, and it keeps sliding into voice >>activation, not voice over, but voice activation. >> Can I kill it permanently? >> Niamh going mad with it. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From rex.attome at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 14:15:53 2011 From: rex.attome at gmail.com (rex holmes) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:15:53 -0000 Subject: How to turn off voice activation in I-touch References: <3AC1656111ED4F41B815B679087C0695@Blossom> <1A3331118F4D40B3A2573027B9F91902@Blossom> Message-ID: <6161D35E527045EFA90D65A5A287ED83@Blossom> that is what this list is for, and remember there may be a setting, I just haven't found it. Rex. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Niamh" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 2:12 PM Subject: Re: How to turn off voice activation in I-touch > Hi Rex, > Thank you so much. > Now I know what I have been doing wrong. > Somebody said on this list it is a huge learning curve but worth it, > this is true I am sure. > Niamh > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rex holmes" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 2:01 PM > Subject: Re: How to turn off voice activation in I-touch > > >>I know this problem, it has been driving me mad. >> I discovered that I was pressing the home button for too long and this >> was turning it on. >> Immediately above the home button an off button appears so you can just >> switch it off. >> I Honestly don't know if there is a way of turning it off, I can't find >> a setting anywhere. >> Good luck stay with apple it is really worth it. >> Rex. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Niamh" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:38 PM >> Subject: How to turn off voice activation in I-touch >> >> >>>I have the very latest I-touch, and it keeps sliding into voice >>>activation, not voice over, but voice activation. >>> Can I kill it permanently? >>> Niamh going mad with it. >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to >>> mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >>> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >>> virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >>> visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From rex.attome at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 14:26:38 2011 From: rex.attome at gmail.com (rex holmes) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:26:38 -0000 Subject: How to turn off voice activation in iPod Touch References: <3AC1656111ED4F41B815B679087C0695@Blossom> Message-ID: <024A5BAF52104570BAE2BA55D2E24426@Blossom> Hi Dane, moderators and Listers, Can I say I find Dane tone rude, pedantic and quite ignorant. Niamh question was one of desperation. I know from former questions this is someone who is both newly blinded and a new user of apple products. Apple's attitude is one of inclusiveness You were rude in that you did not even have the common courtesy to answer the request for help, instead you address your reply to the list, do you not see how rude and excluding that is Dame? Secondly your pedantry led you to address the subject line and not the question. Maybe you didn't know the answer, my charge of ignorance isn't based on this, but on the fact you couldn't be bothered to get Niamh's sex right. Niamh is a female name, you referred to her problem in the masculine. Or am I being too "picky" now? Big, big smile rex, male in case you are confused Dane. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dane Trethowan" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 11:49 PM Subject: Re: How to turn off voice activation in iPod Touch > Hi! > > Excuse me for sounding picky here but can we actually give the right name > for a device in a message please so that we don't get confused. > > An iTouch is a mouse so I assuming the original sender of the message is > having trouble with his iPod Touch . > > > On 15/11/2011, at 10:38 AM, Niamh wrote: > >> I have the very latest I-touch, and it keeps sliding into voice >> activation, not voice over, but voice activation. >> Can I kill it permanently? >> Niamh going mad with it. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From w9fyi at mac-access.net Tue Nov 15 14:48:22 2011 From: w9fyi at mac-access.net (Justin Mann) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 08:48:22 -0600 Subject: how to see the actual spreadsheet in numbers? Message-ID: HI listers, When using numbers, how do you get to the spreadsheet area you wish to work? When opening to a blank template, all I am seeing is the layout area? Thanks, From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Tue Nov 15 14:50:50 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:50:50 +0000 Subject: how to see the actual spreadsheet in numbers? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6CA6A34D-FC6E-4B91-B7A8-FBA6FDF27D29@computing.dcu.ie> Hi Justin, You need to interact with that layout area. In there you will find a "table". This is the spreadsheet. Cheers, D?nal On 15 Nov 2011, at 14:48, Justin Mann wrote: > HI listers, > When using numbers, how do you get to the spreadsheet area you wish to work? When opening to a blank template, all I am seeing is the layout area? > Thanks, > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From opensesame at me.com Tue Nov 15 15:44:00 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:44:00 -0500 Subject: anybody have any bento experience? In-Reply-To: <39C69CFA-C426-427C-AFCA-D35E78A91F76@internode.on.net> References: <4F20E25C-87BF-4DD1-8E59-DEF478BC69B0@mac-access.net> <403A4F09-D0E5-4474-860D-87A4A9497297@me.com> <39C69CFA-C426-427C-AFCA-D35E78A91F76@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <70E6A205-0892-4352-939A-D7304861D3CF@me.com> Hi Dane, Justin and All, I, too, have verified that it doesn't seem possible to activate a picker list from a field defined as a "choice" field when using VO in table view in the Bento for Mac app. I did a little poking around and found the following three ways that I'm able to correctly access the items in a choice field. Maybe these will help in the short term, and I'll be sending a note to Bento regarding this and some other accessibility issues. 1. Create a form view of the library and work within this form view. The choice field seems to activate just fine in this view for some reason. I normally don't create form views, or choice fields for that matter, but I tested and it seems to work fine using normal VO commands. 2. Bring the mouse pointer to the choice field via VO+Command+F3 and then use the trackpad or mouse button to double-click the field. This activated the pick list which I was then able to navigate using standard VO commands. Note that the VO+Shift+Space method of clicking the mouse did not work to activate the pick list, I had to use the "real" trackpad or mouse button. 3. I synced my test library with Bento for iPhone and the choice list worked fine in the iPhone app using the standard method of double-tapping the field and then swiping up and down to select the desired item from the picker list. HTH, Bryan On Nov 14, 2011, at 10:20 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > I think Justin's referring to the "Choice" type of field you can create with Bento, you can certainly define the choices - whether they be "Yes", "No" or anything else in the creation process but you cannot access the choice list it seems with Voiceover when you're adding a record. > > You can see the Choice "Pop-up" menu but you can't select one of the predefined choices from that using Voiceover. > > I wasn't aware of this possible access problem with Bento having never required choice fields in any of the project databases I've so far created with the software. From hopewell at hopewell.org.uk Tue Nov 15 15:46:35 2011 From: hopewell at hopewell.org.uk (Paul Hopewell) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:46:35 +0000 Subject: Updating growl Message-ID: Hello, I am running growl 1.2.2 on Mac OS 10.7.2. From time to time growl tells me that there is an updated version and tells me to "click here" to download it. Alas I cannot find the "click here" to do the download and install. Going to system preferences growl menu does not help. Any ideas? Many thanks. Paul Hopewell From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Tue Nov 15 15:51:50 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:51:50 +0000 Subject: Updating growl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Paul! Do you know that you have to buy Growl now! Sorry I can't help with the click here thing! Colin On 15 Nov 2011, at 15:46, Paul Hopewell wrote: > Hello, > I am running growl 1.2.2 on Mac OS 10.7.2. From time to time growl tells me that there is an updated version and tells me to "click here" to download it. Alas I cannot find the "click here" to do the download and install. Going to system preferences growl menu does not help. > Any ideas? > Many thanks. > > Paul Hopewell > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com Tue Nov 15 16:13:49 2011 From: jim.noseworthy at compuconference.com (Jim Noseworthy) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:13:49 -0400 Subject: SIRI audio demo. Message-ID: <2196086B80A44804A40CB1FEA66CCE80@CNIBnotebook> Hi Folks: I am looking for a good audio demo of SIRI to demonstrate for an online group who are Blind/Visually impaired. I can find lots of videos on the WEB but they provide very little audio feadback; they show the response on the screen. Any help would be appreciated all over the place. From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Tue Nov 15 16:27:14 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:27:14 +0000 Subject: Siri Audio Demo Message-ID: <4EC292E2.9000209@techno-chat.net> Someone was asking for audio demos of Siri. Well here is one. It is actually a Main Menu program hosted on ACB Radio. Hope the below helps. http://mainmenu.acbradio.org/file.php?method=download&episode=2011-10-28 From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 16:36:52 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 11:36:52 -0500 Subject: Voxer Walkie Talkie In-Reply-To: <4EC25C62.9090808@techno-chat.net> References: <4EC25C62.9090808@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <5B26927D-CF7C-4072-99F3-05F5DE8ADA89@gmail.com> What is the link to the app? On Nov 15, 2011, at 7:34 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: Voxer Walkie Talkie is fantastic! This is an excellent alternative to Heytell. It is free. It allows you to both talk and text to your friends and family. You can even sign in with your Facebook account and talk to other Voxer users who are also in your Facebook address book. You can hold group chats at no additional charge, plus you can record for longer than you can with Heytell. This is wy I say it is an excellent alternative to Heytell. The app is also fully accessible with VoiceOver and I am not seeing any issues. So that is Voxer Walkie Talkie and you can get it of course from the apps store. It is free. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: -- Marcy marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Tue Nov 15 17:01:51 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 17:01:51 +0000 Subject: Voxer Walkie Talkie In-Reply-To: <5B26927D-CF7C-4072-99F3-05F5DE8ADA89@gmail.com> References: <4EC25C62.9090808@techno-chat.net> <5B26927D-CF7C-4072-99F3-05F5DE8ADA89@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4EC29AFF.7020807@techno-chat.net> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/voxer-walkie-talkie/id377304531?mt=8 On 15/11/2011 16:36, Marcy Weinberg wrote: > What is the link to the app? > > On Nov 15, 2011, at 7:34 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: > > Voxer Walkie Talkie is fantastic! This is an excellent alternative to Heytell. It is free. It allows you to both talk and text to your friends and family. You can even sign in with your Facebook account and talk to other Voxer users who are also in your Facebook address book. You can hold group chats at no additional charge, plus you can record for longer than you can with Heytell. This is wy I say it is an excellent alternative to Heytell. The app is also fully accessible with VoiceOver and I am not seeing any issues. So that is Voxer Walkie Talkie and you can get it of course from the apps store. It is free. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From jdawg1983 at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 17:23:43 2011 From: jdawg1983 at gmail.com (joe quinn) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 11:23:43 -0600 Subject: mac-access partners Message-ID: ok, I've looked and looked, but can't find this. what's the mac-access partner web site of that archive program that can create archives in specific formats? and, can it create them in different sizes? floppy, cd, dvd? From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 17:36:16 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 09:36:16 -0800 Subject: mac-access partners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86DC93EB-ABCF-48B6-B9D5-EE4EA41D3D7A@gmail.com> It's called SArchiver. I bought it when it was on sale for 19 dollars and what a deal that was. and what a program. I do 2 youtube videos on it but I'm sure the program has changed since. Take care. Sarah Alawami MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Nov 15, 2011, at 9:23 AM, joe quinn wrote: > ok, I've looked and looked, but can't find this. what's the mac-access partner web site of that archive program that can create archives in specific formats? and, can it create them in different sizes? floppy, cd, dvd? > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 17:37:43 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 09:37:43 -0800 Subject: Voxer Walkie Talkie In-Reply-To: <4EC25C62.9090808@techno-chat.net> References: <4EC25C62.9090808@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: I use talkbox for the same purpose. You cannot text but it works great and you can record for up to 3 minutes if you want to whold down yoru finger for tha tlong. the only thingI hated though was it went in to handset mode when you did not want it to and getting it out was a bare. I now use what's ap. for my talking with people. On Nov 15, 2011, at 4:34 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: > Voxer Walkie Talkie is fantastic! This is an excellent alternative to Heytell. It is free. It allows you to both talk and text to your friends and family. You can even sign in with your Facebook account and talk to other Voxer users who are also in your Facebook address book. You can hold group chats at no additional charge, plus you can record for longer than you can with Heytell. This is wy I say it is an excellent alternative to Heytell. The app is also fully accessible with VoiceOver and I am not seeing any issues. So that is Voxer Walkie Talkie and you can get it of course from the apps store. It is free. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Tue Nov 15 18:54:58 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:54:58 +0000 Subject: Voxer Walkie Talkie In-Reply-To: References: <4EC25C62.9090808@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <4EC2B582.1090303@techno-chat.net> Voxer Walkie Talkie does not go into handset mode. I believe you can tell it to though but by default it goes to speakerphone. On 15/11/2011 17:37, Sarah Alawami wrote: > I use talkbox for the same purpose. You cannot text but it works great and you can record for up to 3 minutes if you want to whold down yoru finger for tha tlong. the only thingI hated though was it went in to handset mode when you did not want it to and getting it out was a bare. I now use what's ap. for my talking with people. > On Nov 15, 2011, at 4:34 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> Voxer Walkie Talkie is fantastic! This is an excellent alternative to Heytell. It is free. It allows you to both talk and text to your friends and family. You can even sign in with your Facebook account and talk to other Voxer users who are also in your Facebook address book. You can hold group chats at no additional charge, plus you can record for longer than you can with Heytell. This is wy I say it is an excellent alternative to Heytell. The app is also fully accessible with VoiceOver and I am not seeing any issues. So that is Voxer Walkie Talkie and you can get it of course from the apps store. It is free. >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From desiandcandy at q.com Tue Nov 15 19:05:48 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 12:05:48 -0700 Subject: I am now on the support team In-Reply-To: <36498D9F-CA0E-45AF-86B8-D93A088E6404@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> References: <36498D9F-CA0E-45AF-86B8-D93A088E6404@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> Message-ID: <7E9A1CF8-5CE2-4440-AB96-75EE38236AF3@q.com> Hi Tracy, Welcome aboard! Thank you so much for your help in getting me to receive list messages again! And thanks so much too, for all you do for Gordon and Lynne! Desi Noller On Nov 15, 2011, at 5:48 AM, Tracy Thompson wrote: > Hello group > > Just to let you know that I am now working with the others on the support thing when Im not occupied elsewhere. That doesn't mean I'm doing anything for the list directly. It just means that you might get lumbered with me if the others are not available. I will do my best to help if I can and, if not, will pass you bad to the real experts. :) > > Most of what I will be doing will be helping out our direct clients rather than the group. But I just wanted you to know I am here as a backup. > > Tracy > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From margaretebooth at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 19:07:52 2011 From: margaretebooth at gmail.com (Margaret Booth) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 06:07:52 +1100 Subject: I am now on the support team In-Reply-To: <36498D9F-CA0E-45AF-86B8-D93A088E6404@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> References: <36498D9F-CA0E-45AF-86B8-D93A088E6404@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> Message-ID: <7257191769844843650@unknownmsgid> Welcome and i'm sure you will do a good job. Margaret Sent from my iPhone On 15/11/2011, at 11:48 PM, Tracy Thompson wrote: > Hello group > > Just to let you know that I am now working with the others on the support thing when Im not occupied elsewhere. That doesn't mean I'm doing anything for the list directly. It just means that you might get lumbered with me if the others are not available. I will do my best to help if I can and, if not, will pass you bad to the real experts. :) > > Most of what I will be doing will be helping out our direct clients rather than the group. But I just wanted you to know I am here as a backup. > > Tracy > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From jpanarese at mac-access.net Tue Nov 15 19:20:50 2011 From: jpanarese at mac-access.net (John Panarese) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 14:20:50 -0500 Subject: I am now on the support team In-Reply-To: <7257191769844843650@unknownmsgid> References: <36498D9F-CA0E-45AF-86B8-D93A088E6404@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> <7257191769844843650@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Yes, welcome, Tracy. It's good to have you with us. *smile* Take Care John Panarese jpanarese at mac-access.net On Nov 15, 2011, at 2:07 PM, Margaret Booth wrote: > Welcome and i'm sure you will do a good job. > Margaret > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 15/11/2011, at 11:48 PM, Tracy Thompson > wrote: > >> Hello group >> >> Just to let you know that I am now working with the others on the support thing when Im not occupied elsewhere. That doesn't mean I'm doing anything for the list directly. It just means that you might get lumbered with me if the others are not available. I will do my best to help if I can and, if not, will pass you bad to the real experts. :) >> >> Most of what I will be doing will be helping out our direct clients rather than the group. But I just wanted you to know I am here as a backup. >> >> Tracy >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Tue Nov 15 19:27:15 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 19:27:15 +0000 Subject: BBC News Message-ID: <4EC2BD13.5070209@techno-chat.net> For those in the UK or who are just interested in news other than where you are right now, the BBC News app is finally accessible. Here is the blurb which I have copied and will paste below. Hi all, The BBC news app for ipod and iphone is now finally accessible to voiceover and it is pretty dam good. I have to say. You can choose what kind of news you see at the top of the page and it makes use of both the up down paging and the left and right paging to switch between articles in the same section. If you like news then give this a whirl. From moriond at mac.com Tue Nov 15 19:35:56 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 09:35:56 -1000 Subject: Deleting a document In-Reply-To: <00a001cca341$fa7253a0$ef56fae0$@net> References: <00a001cca341$fa7253a0$ef56fae0$@net> Message-ID: <9D5F7A78-9682-4CC3-85C2-3D2A314EBFAD@mac.com> Hello Catherine, If you want to delete a document by moving it to the Trash, highlight your selection in Finder and then press Command+Delete. If it turns out that you moved the wrong file to the trash, you can undo this with Command+Z. There's also a Command+Shift+Z redo command. As long as you have not emptied the Trash (with Shift+Command+Delete, or Option+Shift+Command+Delete if you don't want to be prompted with the confirmation dialog), you can navigate to the Trash and retrieve files by copying them or moving them to another location. (I do this when an iPhone app has been updated to an inaccessible version, and I want to get the old version back after the device is synced, before it gets permanently deleted.) The Trash is located at the end of the Dock, so I use Control+F3 followed by Fn+Right arrow to move there. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 14, 2011, at 16:55, Catherine Golding wrote: > I can't find anywhere where it tells me how to delete a document. I'm sure > it's very simple, but how do I do it? > > > > Catherine Golding > > Olympia, Washington > From marrie12 at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 19:50:17 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 11:50:17 -0800 Subject: Voxer Walkie Talkie In-Reply-To: <4EC2B582.1090303@techno-chat.net> References: <4EC25C62.9090808@techno-chat.net> <4EC2B582.1090303@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: Ah so they finally changed that did they? You used to hold the talk button and it would go in to handset mode and stay there. and you could not get it back with the usual work around because as soon as you did it would go right back in to handset mode when you went to talk or even clicked on the person's name. I liked the texting capability as it would show it in a threaded view and the facebook thing is cool! Take care all. On Nov 15, 2011, at 10:54 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: > Voxer Walkie Talkie does not go into handset mode. I believe you can tell it to though but by default it goes to speakerphone. > > On 15/11/2011 17:37, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> I use talkbox for the same purpose. You cannot text but it works great and you can record for up to 3 minutes if you want to whold down yoru finger for tha tlong. the only thingI hated though was it went in to handset mode when you did not want it to and getting it out was a bare. I now use what's ap. for my talking with people. >> On Nov 15, 2011, at 4:34 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: >> >>> Voxer Walkie Talkie is fantastic! This is an excellent alternative to Heytell. It is free. It allows you to both talk and text to your friends and family. You can even sign in with your Facebook account and talk to other Voxer users who are also in your Facebook address book. You can hold group chats at no additional charge, plus you can record for longer than you can with Heytell. This is wy I say it is an excellent alternative to Heytell. The app is also fully accessible with VoiceOver and I am not seeing any issues. So that is Voxer Walkie Talkie and you can get it of course from the apps store. It is free. >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Tue Nov 15 20:05:47 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:05:47 +0000 Subject: Voxer Walkie Talkie In-Reply-To: References: <4EC25C62.9090808@techno-chat.net> <4EC2B582.1090303@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <4EC2C61B.80802@techno-chat.net> Looks like they have changed this then. I have only used it today so obviously were unaware of any previous bugs. On 15/11/2011 19:50, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Ah so they finally changed that did they? You used to hold the talk button and it would go in to handset mode and stay there. and you could not get it back with the usual work around because as soon as you did it would go right back in to handset mode when you went to talk or even clicked on the person's name. I liked the texting capability as it would show it in a threaded view and the facebook thing is cool! > > Take care all. > On Nov 15, 2011, at 10:54 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: > >> Voxer Walkie Talkie does not go into handset mode. I believe you can tell it to though but by default it goes to speakerphone. >> >> On 15/11/2011 17:37, Sarah Alawami wrote: >>> I use talkbox for the same purpose. You cannot text but it works great and you can record for up to 3 minutes if you want to whold down yoru finger for tha tlong. the only thingI hated though was it went in to handset mode when you did not want it to and getting it out was a bare. I now use what's ap. for my talking with people. >>> On Nov 15, 2011, at 4:34 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: >>> >>>> Voxer Walkie Talkie is fantastic! This is an excellent alternative to Heytell. It is free. It allows you to both talk and text to your friends and family. You can even sign in with your Facebook account and talk to other Voxer users who are also in your Facebook address book. You can hold group chats at no additional charge, plus you can record for longer than you can with Heytell. This is wy I say it is an excellent alternative to Heytell. The app is also fully accessible with VoiceOver and I am not seeing any issues. So that is Voxer Walkie Talkie and you can get it of course from the apps store. It is free. >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Tue Nov 15 20:10:30 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:10:30 +0000 Subject: TV Catchup Message-ID: <4EC2C736.1080705@techno-chat.net> If you want to catch up on your favourite TV programs, you can do so with the TV Catchup app. I don't know how much it is, nor do I know of its accessibility. I just saw a tweet for it so thought why not post it here. The link to the app is http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewSoftware?id=427900675&mt=8 From juanitatighan at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 21:24:11 2011 From: juanitatighan at gmail.com (Jane) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:24:11 -0500 Subject: Looking For An App Message-ID: <4EC2D87B.4010509@gmail.com> I am looking for an app that will let me put down a list of items, and place checkmarks by ones that I have. We've finally gotten the game Clue brailled, but I need a way to keep track of what I have and what I have seen, and the iPad seems the logical choice. Thoughts? Jane From marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com Tue Nov 15 21:54:16 2011 From: marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com (Marcy Weinberg) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:54:16 -0500 Subject: Looking For An App In-Reply-To: <4EC2D87B.4010509@gmail.com> References: <4EC2D87B.4010509@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2C3A92EB-D6E0-4D2B-85E6-475E71FBF3FE@gmail.com> List Recorder will let you do just that. There is a free version, and a paid version. The differences are that in the paid version, an in-app purchase, the length of a recorded note is unlimited, versus 10 seconds in the free version, and there are additional export options. Text can be typed in, a note recorded, or a combo of the two. http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/list-recorder/id381936335?mt=8 Marcy On Nov 15, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Jane wrote: I am looking for an app that will let me put down a list of items, and place checkmarks by ones that I have. We've finally gotten the game Clue brailled, but I need a way to keep track of what I have and what I have seen, and the iPad seems the logical choice. Thoughts? Jane <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: -- Marcy marcy.weinberg1 at gmail.com From desiandcandy at q.com Tue Nov 15 22:10:53 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:10:53 -0700 Subject: Pandora Question Message-ID: Hi Everyone, I have had the Pandora app on my iPod Touch for some time now, and last night decided to go to their website to look around. I tried to sign in using my Apple ID and password, the same as I use for my iTunes account and everything on my iPod Touch. I was not recognized. I have already signed up for Pandora 1 on my iPod, so I'm wondering if there's a way to use the same account on my Mac? I do have my accounts syncing between my Mac and iPod. Any help here would be most appreciated! Desi From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Tue Nov 15 22:43:19 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 22:43:19 +0000 Subject: Apple's AssistiveTouch Helps the Disabled Use a Smartphone - NYTimes.com Message-ID: Hi all! Well some of you have said you've got Motor-control problems! So I wonder if this would work with vo! But it is Apple doing there thing! Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/apples-assistivetouch-helps-the-disabled-use-a-smartphone/ Apple?s AssistiveTouch Helps the Disabled Use a Smartphone Plenty has been written about the new iPhone 4S, with its voice-controlled virtual assistant Siri, and about iOS 5, its software. But in writing a book about both, I stumbled across an amazingly thoughtful feature that I haven?t seen a word about: something called AssistiveTouch. The Times?s technology columnist, David Pogue, keeps you on top of the industry in his free, weekly e-mail newsletter. Sign up | See Sample Now, Apple has always gone to considerable lengths to make the iPhone usable for people with vision and hearing impairments. If you?re deaf, you can have the LED flash to get your attention when the phone rings. You can create custom vibration patterns for each person who might call you. You can convert stereo music to mono (handy if you?re deaf in one ear). If you?re blind, you can literally turn the screen off and operate everything ? do your e-mail, surf the Web, adjust settings, run apps ? by tapping and letting the phone speak what you?re touching. You can also magnify the screen or reverse black for white (for better-contrast reading). In short, iPhone was already pretty good at helping out if you?re blind or deaf. But until iOS 5 came along, it was tough rocks if you had motor-control problems. How are you supposed to shake the phone (a shortcut for ?Undo?) if you can?t even hold the thing? How are you supposed to pinch-to-zoom a map or a photo if you can?t even move your fingers? One new feature, called AssistiveTouch, is Apple?s accessibility team at its most creative. When you turn on this feature in Settings->General->Accessibility, a new, white circle appears at the bottom of the screen. It stays there all the time. When you tap it, you get a floating on-screen palette. Its buttons trigger motions and gestures on the iPhone screen without requiring hand or multiple-finger movement. All you have to be able to do is tap with a single finger ? even a stylus you?re holding in your teeth or fist. For example, you can tap the Home on-screen button instead of pressing the physical Home button. If you tap Device, you get a sub-palette of six functions that would otherwise require you to grasp the phone or push its tiny physical buttons. There?s Rotate Screen (tap this instead of turning the phone 90 degrees), Lock Screen (tap instead of pressing the Sleep switch), Volume Up and Volume Down (tap instead of pressing the volume keys), Shake (does the same as shaking the phone to undo typing), and Mute/Unmute (tap instead of flipping the small Mute switch on the side). If you tap Gestures, you get a peculiar palette that depicts a hand holding up two, three, four, or five fingers. When you tap the three-finger icon, for example, you get three blue circles on the screen. They move together. Drag one of them, and the phone thinks you?re dragging three fingers on its surface. Using this technique, you can operate apps that require multiple fingers dragging on the screen. To me, the most impressive part is that you can define your own gestures. In Settings->General->Accessibility, you can tap Create New Gesture to draw your own gesture right on the screen, using up to five fingers. For example, suppose you?re frustrated in Google Maps because you can?t do the two-finger double-tap that means ?zoom out.? On the Create New Gesture screen, get somebody to do the two-finger double-tap for you. Tap Save and give the gesture a name?say, ?2 double tap.? From now on, ?2 double tap? shows up on the final AssistiveTouch panel, called Favorites, ready to trigger with a single tap by a single finger or stylus. (Apple starts you off with one predefined gesture already in Favorites: Pinch. That?s the two-finger pinch or spread gesture you use to zoom in and out of photos, maps, Web pages, PDF documents, and so on. Now you can trigger it with only one finger.) I doubt that people with severe motor control challenges represent a financially significant number of the iPhone?s millions of customers. But somebody at Apple took them seriously enough to write a complete, elegant and thoughtful feature that takes down most of the barriers to using an app phone. I, for one, am impressed. And I?d also like to hear, in the Comments, from people who actually use AssistiveTouch. How well does it work? From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 00:12:31 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:12:31 -0800 Subject: Apple's AssistiveTouch Helps the Disabled Use a Smartphone - NYTimes.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It won't. to make a jesture you have to have vo turned off. I tried it, or tried to try it and it didn't work. Good luck for those that can make it work and if you can let us know. On Nov 15, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: > Hi all! > Well some of you have said you've got Motor-control problems! > So I wonder if this would work with vo! > But it is Apple doing there thing! > Colin > Qapla! > Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak > http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/apples-assistivetouch-helps-the-disabled-use-a-smartphone/ > > Apple?s AssistiveTouch Helps the Disabled Use a Smartphone > > Plenty has been written about the new iPhone 4S, with its voice-controlled virtual assistant Siri, and about iOS 5, its software. > > But in writing a book about both, I stumbled across an amazingly thoughtful feature that I haven?t seen a word about: something called AssistiveTouch. > > > The Times?s technology columnist, David Pogue, keeps you on top of the industry in his free, weekly e-mail newsletter. > Sign up | See Sample > Now, Apple has always gone to considerable lengths to make the iPhone usable for people with vision and hearing impairments. If you?re deaf, you can have the LED flash to get your attention when the phone rings. You can create custom vibration patterns for each person who might call you. You can convert stereo music to mono (handy if you?re deaf in one ear). > > If you?re blind, you can literally turn the screen off and operate everything ? do your e-mail, surf the Web, adjust settings, run apps ? by tapping and letting the phone speak what you?re touching. You can also magnify the screen or reverse black for white (for better-contrast reading). > > In short, iPhone was already pretty good at helping out if you?re blind or deaf. But until iOS 5 came along, it was tough rocks if you had motor-control problems. How are you supposed to shake the phone (a shortcut for ?Undo?) if you can?t even hold the thing? How are you supposed to pinch-to-zoom a map or a photo if you can?t even move your fingers? > > One new feature, called AssistiveTouch, is Apple?s accessibility team at its most creative. When you turn on this feature in Settings->General->Accessibility, a new, white circle appears at the bottom of the screen. It stays there all the time. > > When you tap it, you get a floating on-screen palette. Its buttons trigger motions and gestures on the iPhone screen without requiring hand or multiple-finger movement. All you have to be able to do is tap with a single finger ? even a stylus you?re holding in your teeth or fist. > > For example, you can tap the Home on-screen button instead of pressing the physical Home button. > If you tap Device, you get a sub-palette of six functions that would otherwise require you to grasp the phone or push its tiny physical buttons. There?s Rotate Screen (tap this instead of turning the phone 90 degrees), Lock Screen (tap instead of pressing the Sleep switch), Volume Up and Volume Down (tap instead of pressing the volume keys), Shake (does the same as shaking the phone to undo typing), and Mute/Unmute (tap instead of flipping the small Mute switch on the side). > > If you tap Gestures, you get a peculiar palette that depicts a hand holding up two, three, four, or five fingers. When you tap the three-finger icon, for example, you get three blue circles on the screen. They move together. Drag one of them, and the phone thinks you?re dragging three fingers on its surface. Using this technique, you can operate apps that require multiple fingers dragging on the screen. > > To me, the most impressive part is that you can define your own gestures. In Settings->General->Accessibility, you can tap Create New Gesture to draw your own gesture right on the screen, using up to five fingers. > > For example, suppose you?re frustrated in Google Maps because you can?t do the two-finger double-tap that means ?zoom out.? On the Create New Gesture screen, get somebody to do the two-finger double-tap for you. Tap Save and give the gesture a name?say, ?2 double tap.? > > From now on, ?2 double tap? shows up on the final AssistiveTouch panel, called Favorites, ready to trigger with a single tap by a single finger or stylus. (Apple starts you off with one predefined gesture already in Favorites: Pinch. That?s the two-finger pinch or spread gesture you use to zoom in and out of photos, maps, Web pages, PDF documents, and so on. Now you can trigger it with only one finger.) > > I doubt that people with severe motor control challenges represent a financially significant number of the iPhone?s millions of customers. But somebody at Apple took them seriously enough to write a complete, elegant and thoughtful feature that takes down most of the barriers to using an app phone. > I, for one, am impressed. > > And I?d also like to hear, in the Comments, from people who actually use AssistiveTouch. How well does it work? > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 00:13:42 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 16:13:42 -0800 Subject: Pandora Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04413802-3B5B-4012-930A-D5E8323F7E62@gmail.com> did you sign in using your log in details for pandora? that's wha I have to do if I use pandora again lol! and thosje are different from yoru apple id. Take care. On Nov 15, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I have had the Pandora app on my iPod Touch for some time now, and last night decided to go to their website to look around. I tried to sign in using my Apple ID and password, the same as I use for my iTunes account and everything on my iPod Touch. I was not recognized. I have already signed up for Pandora 1 on my iPod, so I'm wondering if there's a way to use the same account on my Mac? I do have my accounts syncing between my Mac and iPod. Any help here would be most appreciated! > > Desi > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Nov 16 00:20:10 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane trethowan) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:20:10 +1100 Subject: documentary: Upsetting The Apple Cart: The Genius of Steve Jobs Message-ID: <4EC301BA.4080100@internode.on.net> This documentary is now available at -- sent from my HP Powerhouse Notebook. From weavermicha at googlemail.com Wed Nov 16 00:32:58 2011 From: weavermicha at googlemail.com (michael weaver) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 00:32:58 +0000 Subject: an i-phone or i-tunes problem Message-ID: <4ec302a0.125bb40a.1191.ffffc852@mx.google.com> i seem to be having a problem with my i-phone 4 using ios 5 and i-tunes. i have deleted a lot of stuff off my phone but i keep getting the error about not being able to sync a certain amount of items every time i connect my i-phone to my macbook. i thought that after deleting my items and that after so much time say a day or so i would be able to connect my i-phone to my mac and not keep getting this eror but it still pops up. does anyone know how to get rid of it? as far as i am aware there doesn't appear to be a problem syncing things as i have just downloaded some music i have in my purchased music menu or whatever. From desiandcandy at q.com Wed Nov 16 01:31:46 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:31:46 -0700 Subject: Pandora Question In-Reply-To: <04413802-3B5B-4012-930A-D5E8323F7E62@gmail.com> References: <04413802-3B5B-4012-930A-D5E8323F7E62@gmail.com> Message-ID: <39BCF6E7-6851-4397-B81E-98583CCFBD33@q.com> Hi Sarah, I have never actually logged into Pandora on my Mac. I've only used the app on my iPod Touch. If I use different information to log in on my Mac than I used to set up my original account on my iPod Touch, won't I be creating a separate account? Obviously, I'm still confused about this! LOL! Desi On Nov 15, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > did you sign in using your log in details for pandora? that's wha I have to do if I use pandora again lol! and thosje are different from yoru apple id. > > Take care. > On Nov 15, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Everyone, >> >> I have had the Pandora app on my iPod Touch for some time now, and last night decided to go to their website to look around. I tried to sign in using my Apple ID and password, the same as I use for my iTunes account and everything on my iPod Touch. I was not recognized. I have already signed up for Pandora 1 on my iPod, so I'm wondering if there's a way to use the same account on my Mac? I do have my accounts syncing between my Mac and iPod. Any help here would be most appreciated! >> >> Desi >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 02:58:48 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 18:58:48 -0800 Subject: Pandora Question In-Reply-To: <39BCF6E7-6851-4397-B81E-98583CCFBD33@q.com> References: <04413802-3B5B-4012-930A-D5E8323F7E62@gmail.com> <39BCF6E7-6851-4397-B81E-98583CCFBD33@q.com> Message-ID: <4F096AB7-8D81-4C66-A574-84E60640135C@gmail.com> You use the info you use when you created the account on your ipod touch in the pandora app when you want to log in to your computer. On Nov 15, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > Hi Sarah, > > I have never actually logged into Pandora on my Mac. I've only used the app on my iPod Touch. If I use different information to log in on my Mac than I used to set up my original account on my iPod Touch, won't I be creating a separate account? Obviously, I'm still confused about this! LOL! > > Desi > > > > On Nov 15, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> did you sign in using your log in details for pandora? that's wha I have to do if I use pandora again lol! and thosje are different from yoru apple id. >> >> Take care. >> On Nov 15, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Desi Noller wrote: >> >>> Hi Everyone, >>> >>> I have had the Pandora app on my iPod Touch for some time now, and last night decided to go to their website to look around. I tried to sign in using my Apple ID and password, the same as I use for my iTunes account and everything on my iPod Touch. I was not recognized. I have already signed up for Pandora 1 on my iPod, so I'm wondering if there's a way to use the same account on my Mac? I do have my accounts syncing between my Mac and iPod. Any help here would be most appreciated! >>> >>> Desi >>> >>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 05:49:34 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 21:49:34 -0800 Subject: an i-phone or i-tunes problem In-Reply-To: <4ec302a0.125bb40a.1191.ffffc852@mx.google.com> References: <4ec302a0.125bb40a.1191.ffffc852@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <579B7C46-C7E3-42C5-92BB-A1AF385105D3@gmail.com> I would get rid of those thing out of your library and then resynch. I mean your iTunes library btw. Keep a back up of everything in case you mess up though. Then try and synch. On Nov 15, 2011, at 4:32 PM, michael weaver wrote: > i seem to be having a problem with my i-phone 4 using ios 5 and i-tunes. > i have deleted a lot of stuff off my phone but i keep getting the error about not being able to sync a certain amount of items every time i connect my i-phone to my macbook. > i thought that after deleting my items and that after so much time say a day or so i would be able to connect my i-phone to my mac and not keep getting this eror but it still pops up. > does anyone know how to get rid of it? > as far as i am aware there doesn't appear to be a problem syncing things as i have just downloaded some music i have in my purchased music menu or whatever. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk Wed Nov 16 11:18:32 2011 From: harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk (Ian Harrison) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:18:32 +0000 Subject: Boxee software in uk Message-ID: Hi all, Does anyone have any experience of using boxee software in the uk. Is it accessible? With thanks Ian From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Wed Nov 16 12:52:30 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:52:30 +0000 Subject: Problem deleeting messages, please help! Message-ID: <4EC3B20E.9070000@techno-chat.net> Hello all. Please can I have your help? My friend Gary Price is having problems deleting messages. This started this morning UK time. Here is what he tries to do. 1. Double tap the back button in the current conversation. 2. Double tap the edit button. 3. Double tap the delete button. But unlike my iPhone 4 and Hannah's iPhone 3GS, all it does is the click to let you know it's activated. Sometimes he can swipe to the right until it says confirm deletion, but this is unpredictable. On mine and Hannah's phones, if we double tap the delete button, it focuses on the confirm deletion prompt as expected. Now, this happened before with him, and a restore fixed things. But is there any other way short of a restore to fix this? He doesn't want to do yet another one as: 1. He only restored it a few days ago, and 2. His battery is very high, somewhere in the 80's. Just to say he tried toggling VoiceOver on and off, as well as a phone reboot, with no change at all. Now, I don't know how he rebooted it, but that shouldn't make a difference should it? So if you can come up with anything, this would be greatly appreciated! The people above, along with myself, are running iOS 5.0.1. Thank you very much. Chat soon. From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 13:09:42 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:09:42 -0500 Subject: Apple's Assistive Touch Helps the Disabled Use a Smartphone - NYTimes.com In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000f01cca461$02ac6fe0$08054fa0$@com> No, because it changes the gestures and if this happens then if vo would work with it it would have to change Vo gestures and in order to do this it would have to change part of the OS as Vo is not a third party screen reader it is part of the OS. This being said I think some where there has to be a line in the sand so to speak as this accessibility could become costly and make the devices go up in prices and this would reduce Apple bottom line and this is due to the majority being seeing people and would not want to pay for our accessibility! It is hard to make everything accessible to all as when you get multi handicaps this is very hard to do. Yes it is much more simple to make something accessible just to the blind or the hard of hearing or with just motor function problems but when you start getting into multi handicaps like deaf and blind or blind and motor skill problems or blind and deaf and motor skill problems and the list goes on it is just to hard and not cost effected to make things this way! JMT ! Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Red.Falcon Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 5:43 PM To: mac access Subject: Apple's AssistiveTouch Helps the Disabled Use a Smartphone - NYTimes.com Hi all! Well some of you have said you've got Motor-control problems! So I wonder if this would work with vo! But it is Apple doing there thing! Colin Qapla! Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/apples-assistivetouch-helps-the-di sabled-use-a-smartphone/ Apple's AssistiveTouch Helps the Disabled Use a Smartphone Plenty has been written about the new iPhone 4S, with its voice-controlled virtual assistant Siri, and about iOS 5, its software. But in writing a book about both, I stumbled across an amazingly thoughtful feature that I haven't seen a word about: something called AssistiveTouch. The Times's technology columnist, David Pogue, keeps you on top of the industry in his free, weekly e-mail newsletter. Sign up | See Sample Now, Apple has always gone to considerable lengths to make the iPhone usable for people with vision and hearing impairments. If you're deaf, you can have the LED flash to get your attention when the phone rings. You can create custom vibration patterns for each person who might call you. You can convert stereo music to mono (handy if you're deaf in one ear). If you're blind, you can literally turn the screen off and operate everything - do your e-mail, surf the Web, adjust settings, run apps - by tapping and letting the phone speak what you're touching. You can also magnify the screen or reverse black for white (for better-contrast reading). In short, iPhone was already pretty good at helping out if you're blind or deaf. But until iOS 5 came along, it was tough rocks if you had motor-control problems. How are you supposed to shake the phone (a shortcut for "Undo") if you can't even hold the thing? How are you supposed to pinch-to-zoom a map or a photo if you can't even move your fingers? One new feature, called AssistiveTouch, is Apple's accessibility team at its most creative. When you turn on this feature in Settings->General->Accessibility, a new, white circle appears at the bottom of the screen. It stays there all the time. When you tap it, you get a floating on-screen palette. Its buttons trigger motions and gestures on the iPhone screen without requiring hand or multiple-finger movement. All you have to be able to do is tap with a single finger - even a stylus you're holding in your teeth or fist. For example, you can tap the Home on-screen button instead of pressing the physical Home button. If you tap Device, you get a sub-palette of six functions that would otherwise require you to grasp the phone or push its tiny physical buttons. There's Rotate Screen (tap this instead of turning the phone 90 degrees), Lock Screen (tap instead of pressing the Sleep switch), Volume Up and Volume Down (tap instead of pressing the volume keys), Shake (does the same as shaking the phone to undo typing), and Mute/Unmute (tap instead of flipping the small Mute switch on the side). If you tap Gestures, you get a peculiar palette that depicts a hand holding up two, three, four, or five fingers. When you tap the three-finger icon, for example, you get three blue circles on the screen. They move together. Drag one of them, and the phone thinks you're dragging three fingers on its surface. Using this technique, you can operate apps that require multiple fingers dragging on the screen. To me, the most impressive part is that you can define your own gestures. In Settings->General->Accessibility, you can tap Create New Gesture to draw your own gesture right on the screen, using up to five fingers. For example, suppose you're frustrated in Google Maps because you can't do the two-finger double-tap that means "zoom out." On the Create New Gesture screen, get somebody to do the two-finger double-tap for you. Tap Save and give the gesture a name-say, "2 double tap." >From now on, "2 double tap" shows up on the final AssistiveTouch panel, called Favorites, ready to trigger with a single tap by a single finger or stylus. (Apple starts you off with one predefined gesture already in Favorites: Pinch. That's the two-finger pinch or spread gesture you use to zoom in and out of photos, maps, Web pages, PDF documents, and so on. Now you can trigger it with only one finger.) I doubt that people with severe motor control challenges represent a financially significant number of the iPhone's millions of customers. But somebody at Apple took them seriously enough to write a complete, elegant and thoughtful feature that takes down most of the barriers to using an app phone. I, for one, am impressed. And I'd also like to hear, in the Comments, from people who actually use AssistiveTouch. How well does it work? <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 13:31:05 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:31:05 -0500 Subject: Problem deleting messages, please help! In-Reply-To: <4EC3B20E.9070000@techno-chat.net> References: <4EC3B20E.9070000@techno-chat.net> Message-ID: <002101cca463$fed262a0$fc7727e0$@com> Yes, he needs to take all things out of the app switcher then try the reboot. I would do the reboot the old way hold down the power button till it says shutting down and then do the double click and shut it down then wait for about a minute and then try the reboot of it. HTH Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of chris hallsworth Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:53 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Problem deleeting messages, please help! Hello all. Please can I have your help? My friend Gary Price is having problems deleting messages. This started this morning UK time. Here is what he tries to do. 1. Double tap the back button in the current conversation. 2. Double tap the edit button. 3. Double tap the delete button. But unlike my iPhone 4 and Hannah's iPhone 3GS, all it does is the click to let you know it's activated. Sometimes he can swipe to the right until it says confirm deletion, but this is unpredictable. On mine and Hannah's phones, if we double tap the delete button, it focuses on the confirm deletion prompt as expected. Now, this happened before with him, and a restore fixed things. But is there any other way short of a restore to fix this? He doesn't want to do yet another one as: 1. He only restored it a few days ago, and 2. His battery is very high, somewhere in the 80's. Just to say he tried toggling VoiceOver on and off, as well as a phone reboot, with no change at all. Now, I don't know how he rebooted it, but that shouldn't make a difference should it? So if you can come up with anything, this would be greatly appreciated! The people above, along with myself, are running iOS 5.0.1. Thank you very much. Chat soon. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From support at mac-access.net Wed Nov 16 14:02:46 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon, Lynne & Tracy) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:02:46 +0000 Subject: Dual New Member Welcome Message-ID: <26427198-E8B8-4301-B078-2C4729CC4B4F@mac-access.net> Hello everybody It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome: Amber Harmon and: doc Wright to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but have a keen interest. We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope this clarifies the position. If you have any list-related queries, please do not hesitate to contact either Gordon and myself, (the list owners), at , or one of our very capable assistant list controllers; Anne Robertson, or James Austin, and we will be happy to help you. Once again, a very warm welcome to the group. We hope you find your membership an enjoyable experience. Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com Lynne From support at mac-access.net Wed Nov 16 14:11:33 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon, Lynne & Tracy) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:11:33 +0000 Subject: mac-access partners In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe Write to us off list and I will send you the direct uRL. Tracy On 15 Nov 2011, at 17:23, joe quinn wrote: ok, I've looked and looked, but can't find this. what's the mac-access partner web site of that archive program that can create archives in specific formats? and, can it create them in different sizes? floppy, cd, dvd? <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From support at mac-access.net Wed Nov 16 14:13:35 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon, Lynne & Tracy) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:13:35 +0000 Subject: I am now on the support team In-Reply-To: <7E9A1CF8-5CE2-4440-AB96-75EE38236AF3@q.com> References: <36498D9F-CA0E-45AF-86B8-D93A088E6404@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> <7E9A1CF8-5CE2-4440-AB96-75EE38236AF3@q.com> Message-ID: Hello Desi You're welcome, as nurses often say. Feel free to write to us if you have more issues. Tracy On 15 Nov 2011, at 19:05, Desi Noller wrote: Hi Tracy, Welcome aboard! Thank you so much for your help in getting me to receive list messages again! And thanks so much too, for all you do for Gordon and Lynne! Desi Noller On Nov 15, 2011, at 5:48 AM, Tracy Thompson wrote: > Hello group > > Just to let you know that I am now working with the others on the support thing when Im not occupied elsewhere. That doesn't mean I'm doing anything for the list directly. It just means that you might get lumbered with me if the others are not available. I will do my best to help if I can and, if not, will pass you bad to the real experts. :) > > Most of what I will be doing will be helping out our direct clients rather than the group. But I just wanted you to know I am here as a backup. > > Tracy > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net Wed Nov 16 15:42:20 2011 From: chris.hallsworth at techno-chat.net (chris hallsworth) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:42:20 +0000 Subject: Problem deleting messages, please help! In-Reply-To: <002101cca463$fed262a0$fc7727e0$@com> References: <4EC3B20E.9070000@techno-chat.net> <002101cca463$fed262a0$fc7727e0$@com> Message-ID: <4EC3D9DC.3020108@techno-chat.net> Ar ok, I will suggest that to him then. Thanks! On 16/11/2011 13:31, Bubba wrote: > Yes, he needs to take all things out of the app switcher then try the > reboot. I would do the reboot the old way hold down the power button till it > says shutting down and then do the double click and shut it down then wait > for about a minute and then try the reboot of it. HTH > > > Sign, > Bubba > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of chris hallsworth > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:53 AM > To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility > Subject: Problem deleeting messages, please help! > > Hello all. > Please can I have your help? > My friend Gary Price is having problems deleting messages. This started > this morning UK time. Here is what he tries to do. > 1. Double tap the back button in the current conversation. > 2. Double tap the edit button. > 3. Double tap the delete button. > But unlike my iPhone 4 and Hannah's iPhone 3GS, all it does is the click > to let you know it's activated. Sometimes he can swipe to the right > until it says confirm deletion, but this is unpredictable. On mine and > Hannah's phones, if we double tap the delete button, it focuses on the > confirm deletion prompt as expected. > Now, this happened before with him, and a restore fixed things. But is > there any other way short of a restore to fix this? He doesn't want to > do yet another one as: > 1. He only restored it a few days ago, and > 2. His battery is very high, somewhere in the 80's. > Just to say he tried toggling VoiceOver on and off, as well as a phone > reboot, with no change at all. Now, I don't know how he rebooted it, but > that shouldn't make a difference should it? > So if you can come up with anything, this would be greatly appreciated! > The people above, along with myself, are running iOS 5.0.1. > Thank you very much. > Chat soon. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From cfgolding at comcast.net Wed Nov 16 16:22:40 2011 From: cfgolding at comcast.net (Catherine Golding) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 08:22:40 -0800 Subject: Dumb question Message-ID: <00aa01cca47b$f670ebf0$e352c3d0$@net> I see HTH at the end of some messages. What does that mean? From tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk Wed Nov 16 16:39:51 2011 From: tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk (Tracy Thompson) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:39:51 +0000 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? Message-ID: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> Hello group I hope you don't mind me posting this here as I'm not blind or visually impaired. Lynne and Gordon have told me that the list is not only for the visually impaired so I thought I would post. I currently have a Samsung Symbian phone, (so I'm told), and it's dying rapidly. I've had this phone for about 2 years and it's been dropped several times. Anyway, I am seriously considering moving over to the Apple phone because I've seen Gordon and Lynne's phone and seen it in use. It's only a 3GS which brings me to my next question. I'm contemplating buying 1 for myself and also 1 for Gordon as a Christmas present. But I am told that the iPhone 4S doesn't use the same SIM card as the 3GS does. I gather it is meant for a micro-SIM. So how difficult would it be to get hold of a new SIM without changing the phone number on Gordon's 3GS? I know a lot of you are outside of the UK and things are different. When I worked in Sydney and New York for a while the environments were very different. But that's another discussion for a different place. What I nee is an objective view as to whether this would be a good buy or whether I should just look at something else. Yes I have looked at a few Android phones and yes some of them look quite attractive. But as I live with Gordon and lynne I really want compatibility with what they use so that they can share things with me and visa versa. I'm looking at the 64G version of iPhone 4S which costs ?699.00 from the Apple Store and about ?800 Pounds from other places. Any constructive comment is very welcome, with thanks. Tracy Thompson From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 16:39:04 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:39:04 -0500 Subject: Dumb question In-Reply-To: <00aa01cca47b$f670ebf0$e352c3d0$@net> References: <00aa01cca47b$f670ebf0$e352c3d0$@net> Message-ID: <000001cca47e$4162a480$c427ed80$@com> Not Dum the only question that is dumb is the one not asked! HTH means Hope This Helps! HTH Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Catherine Golding Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:23 AM To: mac-access at mac-access.net Subject: Dumb question I see HTH at the end of some messages. What does that mean? <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk Wed Nov 16 16:50:33 2011 From: tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk (Tracy Thompson) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:50:33 +0000 Subject: Dumb question In-Reply-To: <00aa01cca47b$f670ebf0$e352c3d0$@net> References: <00aa01cca47b$f670ebf0$e352c3d0$@net> Message-ID: <3724C0E5-B875-4410-B8C9-25F0675F17D5@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> Hello Catherine I think you'll find it is "H, T, H", not "H G H", it means "Hope That Helps". Tracy On 16 Nov 2011, at 16:22, Catherine Golding wrote: I see HTH at the end of some messages. What does that mean? <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 16:52:58 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:52:58 -0500 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> References: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> Message-ID: <000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> This is not a problem with the simm card as you can get a cutter to cut his card down to fit the new iPhone and also a adapter to make a micro simm fit in place of a regular simm . As for which phone to get if you are a seeing person I guess this would be preface as accessibility does not come into play. I am a big iPhone fan but this is because of the accessibility factor! If you Google for simm cutter and adapter you will find them just about everywhere. I think they are about 10 to 25 bucks for a set . So back to which phone to get if blind or with other handicap I would say the iPhone is the only way to go when accessibility comes into play as of now. If Accessibility does not come into play then it is a matter of budget and not wanting to be locked to apple app approval! If I was going to buy a iPhone right now I would not even think of buying anything but the 4s! But this is my JMO! HTH Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Tracy Thompson Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:40 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? Hello group I hope you don't mind me posting this here as I'm not blind or visually impaired. Lynne and Gordon have told me that the list is not only for the visually impaired so I thought I would post. I currently have a Samsung Symbian phone, (so I'm told), and it's dying rapidly. I've had this phone for about 2 years and it's been dropped several times. Anyway, I am seriously considering moving over to the Apple phone because I've seen Gordon and Lynne's phone and seen it in use. It's only a 3GS which brings me to my next question. I'm contemplating buying 1 for myself and also 1 for Gordon as a Christmas present. But I am told that the iPhone 4S doesn't use the same SIM card as the 3GS does. I gather it is meant for a micro-SIM. So how difficult would it be to get hold of a new SIM without changing the phone number on Gordon's 3GS? I know a lot of you are outside of the UK and things are different. When I worked in Sydney and New York for a while the environments were very different. But that's another discussion for a different place. What I nee is an objective view as to whether this would be a good buy or whether I should just look at something else. Yes I have looked at a few Android phones and yes some of them look quite attractive. But as I live with Gordon and lynne I really want compatibility with what they use so that they can share things with me and visa versa. I'm looking at the 64G version of iPhone 4S which costs ?699.00 from the Apple Store and about ?800 Pounds from other places. Any constructive comment is very welcome, with thanks. Tracy Thompson <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Wed Nov 16 16:57:32 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:57:32 +0000 Subject: Dumb question In-Reply-To: <3724C0E5-B875-4410-B8C9-25F0675F17D5@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> References: <00aa01cca47b$f670ebf0$e352c3d0$@net> <3724C0E5-B875-4410-B8C9-25F0675F17D5@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Tracy! On my mail's Catherine! did indeed put HTH! Colin Qapla! On 16 Nov 2011, at 16:50, Tracy Thompson wrote: > Hello Catherine > > I think you'll find it is "H, T, H", not "H G H", it means "Hope That Helps". > > Tracy > > On 16 Nov 2011, at 16:22, Catherine Golding wrote: > > I see HTH at the end of some messages. What does that mean? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From desiandcandy at q.com Wed Nov 16 16:59:35 2011 From: desiandcandy at q.com (Desi Noller) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:59:35 -0700 Subject: Pandora Question In-Reply-To: <4F096AB7-8D81-4C66-A574-84E60640135C@gmail.com> References: <04413802-3B5B-4012-930A-D5E8323F7E62@gmail.com> <39BCF6E7-6851-4397-B81E-98583CCFBD33@q.com> <4F096AB7-8D81-4C66-A574-84E60640135C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <37A9BBF4-8350-48C7-82AD-F2DDC9CF9FC6@q.com> Hi Sarah, That's exactly what didn't work for me when I tried it! LOL! Perhaps I got an extra character in there or something. I'll have to try it again! Desi On Nov 15, 2011, at 7:58 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: > You use the info you use when you created the account on your ipod touch in the pandora app when you want to log in to your computer. > On Nov 15, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Desi Noller wrote: > >> Hi Sarah, >> >> I have never actually logged into Pandora on my Mac. I've only used the app on my iPod Touch. If I use different information to log in on my Mac than I used to set up my original account on my iPod Touch, won't I be creating a separate account? Obviously, I'm still confused about this! LOL! >> >> Desi >> >> >> >> On Nov 15, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote: >> >>> did you sign in using your log in details for pandora? that's wha I have to do if I use pandora again lol! and thosje are different from yoru apple id. >>> >>> Take care. >>> On Nov 15, 2011, at 2:10 PM, Desi Noller wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> >>>> I have had the Pandora app on my iPod Touch for some time now, and last night decided to go to their website to look around. I tried to sign in using my Apple ID and password, the same as I use for my iTunes account and everything on my iPod Touch. I was not recognized. I have already signed up for Pandora 1 on my iPod, so I'm wondering if there's a way to use the same account on my Mac? I do have my accounts syncing between my Mac and iPod. Any help here would be most appreciated! >>>> >>>> Desi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>>> >>>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>>> >>>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>>> >>>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>>> . >>>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>>> >>>> >>>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>>> >>>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>>> >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Wed Nov 16 17:08:57 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:08:57 +0000 Subject: Pandora Question In-Reply-To: <37A9BBF4-8350-48C7-82AD-F2DDC9CF9FC6@q.com> References: <04413802-3B5B-4012-930A-D5E8323F7E62@gmail.com> <39BCF6E7-6851-4397-B81E-98583CCFBD33@q.com> <4F096AB7-8D81-4C66-A574-84E60640135C@gmail.com> <37A9BBF4-8350-48C7-82AD-F2DDC9CF9FC6@q.com> Message-ID: Hi what does this app do? heard of it but never tried it. Ian McNamara From marrie12 at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 17:37:43 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:37:43 -0800 Subject: Pandora Question In-Reply-To: References: <04413802-3B5B-4012-930A-D5E8323F7E62@gmail.com> <39BCF6E7-6851-4397-B81E-98583CCFBD33@q.com> <4F096AB7-8D81-4C66-A574-84E60640135C@gmail.com> <37A9BBF4-8350-48C7-82AD-F2DDC9CF9FC6@q.com> Message-ID: <533C8406-DEA0-4E9E-A544-48FFF6927383@gmail.com> Pandora is a music playere wherein you build yoru own station bassed on the music on there servers. it's pretty good for some styles and not for others but it can be pretty fun. On Nov 16, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Ian McNamara wrote: > Hi what does this app do? heard of it but never tried it. > > Ian McNamara > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From express_able at yahoo.com Wed Nov 16 18:38:27 2011 From: express_able at yahoo.com (Chris Johnson) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 11:38:27 -0700 Subject: Word processing for IPhone In-Reply-To: <002001cca0b7$b9a8f9a0$2cfaece0$@net> References: <002001cca0b7$b9a8f9a0$2cfaece0$@net> Message-ID: <4EC40323.2070404@yahoo.com> Is Pages for iPhone accessible for writing (with a bluetooth keyboard)? If not is there something else that works well with voiceover for writing on an iphone? Chris On 11/11/11 2:20 PM, Catherine Golding wrote: > IA Writer From cfgolding at comcast.net Wed Nov 16 18:48:31 2011 From: cfgolding at comcast.net (Catherine Golding) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 10:48:31 -0800 Subject: Word processing for IPhone In-Reply-To: <4EC40323.2070404@yahoo.com> References: <002001cca0b7$b9a8f9a0$2cfaece0$@net> <4EC40323.2070404@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00c801cca490$56749ab0$035dd010$@net> The best one I have found is IA Writer. Some parts of Pages is accessible, but there are parts that are still not accessible. Catherine Golding Olympia, Washington -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:38 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Word processing for IPhone Is Pages for iPhone accessible for writing (with a bluetooth keyboard)? If not is there something else that works well with voiceover for writing on an iphone? Chris On 11/11/11 2:20 PM, Catherine Golding wrote: > IA Writer <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From n0oxy at charter.net Wed Nov 16 18:56:46 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:56:46 -0500 Subject: new mac store requirements Message-ID: 208a1928-7aad-4dbc-bfc5-b917d1729ffb@samobile.net Hey everyone, apple will soon be requiring applications to comply with very strict guide lines in order to be in teh app store, personally, I think this is being too restrictive, here are links to 2 different articles describing the changes. I think this will end up hurting apple in the end. http://lacquer.fi/pauli/blog/2011/11/why-the-mac-app-sandbox-makes-me-sad/ http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/11/apple-pushes-back-sandboxing-deadline-as-devs-struggle-with-tradeoffs.ars -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From express_able at yahoo.com Wed Nov 16 19:07:42 2011 From: express_able at yahoo.com (Chris Johnson) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 12:07:42 -0700 Subject: iphone Re: Word processing for IPhone In-Reply-To: <00c801cca490$56749ab0$035dd010$@net> References: <002001cca0b7$b9a8f9a0$2cfaece0$@net> <4EC40323.2070404@yahoo.com> <00c801cca490$56749ab0$035dd010$@net> Message-ID: <4EC409FE.3050802@yahoo.com> IA Writer isn't available for iPhone that I could find. Chris Johnson Loveland, CO On 11/16/11 11:48 AM, Catherine Golding wrote: > The best one I have found is IA Writer. Some parts of Pages is accessible, > but there are parts that are still not accessible. > > Catherine Golding > Olympia, Washington > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:38 AM > To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility > Subject: Word processing for IPhone > > Is Pages for iPhone accessible for writing (with a bluetooth keyboard)? > If not is there something else that works well with voiceover for > writing on an iphone? > > Chris > > On 11/11/11 2:20 PM, Catherine Golding wrote: >> IA Writer > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > From tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk Wed Nov 16 19:52:15 2011 From: tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk (Tracy Thompson) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:52:15 +0000 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: <000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> References: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> <000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> Message-ID: Hello Bubba, this is Tracy. Thank you for your perspective on this it is an interesting one. Actually though I am visually abled as Lynne calls it, sighted as a lot of others do. But accessibility and compatibility do come into this because I'd be buying 2 phones for Gordon and myself. I want my own phone to be compatible with their systems and everything they use here is Apple and that includes the servers that power this list and everything else here. The Android phones seem to vary a lot but I've been doing some reading and it would seem that most of them don't contain any accessible features out of the box. So I've opted not to go that road because of reasons above. It is now just a choice between Symbian (for me) and iPhone for Gordon, or iPhone for both of us. It's looking more likely to be iPhone for us both which would be 16G for me and 64G for Gordon. The only thing that annoys me regarding the iPhone is that you don't get any kind of case or other things with it. You have to pay top prices for those as well so it is going to work out expensive. So we'll see how we go. Again thank you for the info regarding the SIM cutter which I didn't know exists. Tracy Thompson On 16 Nov 2011, at 16:52, Bubba wrote: This is not a problem with the simm card as you can get a cutter to cut his card down to fit the new iPhone and also a adapter to make a micro simm fit in place of a regular simm . As for which phone to get if you are a seeing person I guess this would be preface as accessibility does not come into play. I am a big iPhone fan but this is because of the accessibility factor! If you Google for simm cutter and adapter you will find them just about everywhere. I think they are about 10 to 25 bucks for a set . So back to which phone to get if blind or with other handicap I would say the iPhone is the only way to go when accessibility comes into play as of now. If Accessibility does not come into play then it is a matter of budget and not wanting to be locked to apple app approval! If I was going to buy a iPhone right now I would not even think of buying anything but the 4s! But this is my JMO! HTH Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Tracy Thompson Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:40 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? Hello group I hope you don't mind me posting this here as I'm not blind or visually impaired. Lynne and Gordon have told me that the list is not only for the visually impaired so I thought I would post. I currently have a Samsung Symbian phone, (so I'm told), and it's dying rapidly. I've had this phone for about 2 years and it's been dropped several times. Anyway, I am seriously considering moving over to the Apple phone because I've seen Gordon and Lynne's phone and seen it in use. It's only a 3GS which brings me to my next question. I'm contemplating buying 1 for myself and also 1 for Gordon as a Christmas present. But I am told that the iPhone 4S doesn't use the same SIM card as the 3GS does. I gather it is meant for a micro-SIM. So how difficult would it be to get hold of a new SIM without changing the phone number on Gordon's 3GS? I know a lot of you are outside of the UK and things are different. When I worked in Sydney and New York for a while the environments were very different. But that's another discussion for a different place. What I nee is an objective view as to whether this would be a good buy or whether I should just look at something else. Yes I have looked at a few Android phones and yes some of them look quite attractive. But as I live with Gordon and lynne I really want compatibility with what they use so that they can share things with me and visa versa. I'm looking at the 64G version of iPhone 4S which costs ?699.00 from the Apple Store and about ?800 Pounds from other places. Any constructive comment is very welcome, with thanks. Tracy Thompson <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk Wed Nov 16 19:54:08 2011 From: tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk (Tracy Thompson) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:54:08 +0000 Subject: Dumb question In-Reply-To: References: <00aa01cca47b$f670ebf0$e352c3d0$@net> <3724C0E5-B875-4410-B8C9-25F0675F17D5@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> Message-ID: Hello Colin You are quite right. I don't know quite where i got HGH from. :) Tracy Thompson On 16 Nov 2011, at 16:57, Red.Falcon wrote: Hi Tracy! On my mail's Catherine! did indeed put HTH! From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 20:00:58 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:00:58 -0500 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? References: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk><000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> Message-ID: <44B04353857B429F82FF718AF549F348@DD952WB1> Hi Tracy, Depending on your scenario you may not need a sim cutter. I recently upgraded from a 3GS to a 4S using the same carrier (AT&T here in the US) and the microsim card was apparently coded to my phone number and installed in China. From your price quotes, however you may be in the market for unlocked devices with no commitment -- or perhaps the prices are much higher in the UK? Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Thompson" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 2:52 PM Subject: Re: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? Hello Bubba, this is Tracy. Thank you for your perspective on this it is an interesting one. Actually though I am visually abled as Lynne calls it, sighted as a lot of others do. But accessibility and compatibility do come into this because I'd be buying 2 phones for Gordon and myself. I want my own phone to be compatible with their systems and everything they use here is Apple and that includes the servers that power this list and everything else here. The Android phones seem to vary a lot but I've been doing some reading and it would seem that most of them don't contain any accessible features out of the box. So I've opted not to go that road because of reasons above. It is now just a choice between Symbian (for me) and iPhone for Gordon, or iPhone for both of us. It's looking more likely to be iPhone for us both which would be 16G for me and 64G for Gordon. The only thing that annoys me regarding the iPhone is that you don't get any kind of case or other things with it. You have to pay top prices for those as well so it is going to work out expensive. So we'll see how we go. Again thank you for the info regarding the SIM cutter which I didn't know exists. Tracy Thompson On 16 Nov 2011, at 16:52, Bubba wrote: This is not a problem with the simm card as you can get a cutter to cut his card down to fit the new iPhone and also a adapter to make a micro simm fit in place of a regular simm . As for which phone to get if you are a seeing person I guess this would be preface as accessibility does not come into play. I am a big iPhone fan but this is because of the accessibility factor! If you Google for simm cutter and adapter you will find them just about everywhere. I think they are about 10 to 25 bucks for a set . So back to which phone to get if blind or with other handicap I would say the iPhone is the only way to go when accessibility comes into play as of now. If Accessibility does not come into play then it is a matter of budget and not wanting to be locked to apple app approval! If I was going to buy a iPhone right now I would not even think of buying anything but the 4s! But this is my JMO! HTH Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Tracy Thompson Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:40 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? Hello group I hope you don't mind me posting this here as I'm not blind or visually impaired. Lynne and Gordon have told me that the list is not only for the visually impaired so I thought I would post. I currently have a Samsung Symbian phone, (so I'm told), and it's dying rapidly. I've had this phone for about 2 years and it's been dropped several times. Anyway, I am seriously considering moving over to the Apple phone because I've seen Gordon and Lynne's phone and seen it in use. It's only a 3GS which brings me to my next question. I'm contemplating buying 1 for myself and also 1 for Gordon as a Christmas present. But I am told that the iPhone 4S doesn't use the same SIM card as the 3GS does. I gather it is meant for a micro-SIM. So how difficult would it be to get hold of a new SIM without changing the phone number on Gordon's 3GS? I know a lot of you are outside of the UK and things are different. When I worked in Sydney and New York for a while the environments were very different. But that's another discussion for a different place. What I nee is an objective view as to whether this would be a good buy or whether I should just look at something else. Yes I have looked at a few Android phones and yes some of them look quite attractive. But as I live with Gordon and lynne I really want compatibility with what they use so that they can share things with me and visa versa. I'm looking at the 64G version of iPhone 4S which costs ?699.00 from the Apple Store and about ?800 Pounds from other places. Any constructive comment is very welcome, with thanks. Tracy Thompson <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 20:20:28 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:20:28 -0500 Subject: IOS docking recommendations. Message-ID: Greetings, Perhaps this is hard to answer on an international list, but I am seeking suggestions about a dock for my iPhone. Last year I purchased a Logitech Pure-fi. I was very impressed with the size and sound, but would never recommend this device based on my experience. I believe I was gentle, but in a little over a year it stopped docking properly with my 3GS. It would not supply power to my phone or emit sound from it. Logitech customer service was excellent during the warrantee period, but I reluctantly concluded that Logitech docks are to fragile for my purposes. Can anyone suggest a docking station that is durable, sounds good, and won't break the bank like the Bose model? I wouldn't mind springing for a Bose if the extra cost buys more than the company name. TIA for any/all suggestions and best regards. Geoff From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Nov 16 20:24:22 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:24:22 +0000 Subject: IOS docking recommendations. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I personally wouldn't touch the Bowe's model Jeff. I have their computer speakers and you'll do better than that for the same money. Ever looked at the B&W kit? On 16 Nov 2011, at 20:20, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Greetings, > > Perhaps this is hard to answer on an international list, but I am seeking suggestions about a dock for my iPhone. Last year I purchased a Logitech Pure-fi. I was very impressed with the size and sound, but would never recommend this device based on my experience. I believe I was gentle, but in a little over a year it stopped docking properly with my 3GS. It would not supply power to my phone or emit sound from it. Logitech customer service was excellent during the warrantee period, but I reluctantly concluded that Logitech docks are to fragile for my purposes. > > Can anyone suggest a docking station that is durable, sounds good, and won't break the bank like the Bose model? I wouldn't mind springing for a Bose if the extra cost buys more than the company name. > > TIA for any/all suggestions and best regards. > Geoff > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk Wed Nov 16 20:28:05 2011 From: tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk (Tracy Thompson) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:28:05 +0000 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: <44B04353857B429F82FF718AF549F348@DD952WB1> References: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk><000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> <44B04353857B429F82FF718AF549F348@DD952WB1> Message-ID: <473FA7CE-82D8-4770-9B96-61939AE58385@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> Hello Geoff I wouldn't be buying from the carrier; it would be SIM-free and unlocked. We could apparently get a micro-SIM from O2 but I don't know how easy that would be. Thank you for your reply and interesting comment. Tracy Thompson On 16 Nov 2011, at 20:00, Geoff Waaler wrote: Hi Tracy, Depending on your scenario you may not need a sim cutter. I recently upgraded from a 3GS to a 4S using the same carrier (AT&T here in the US) and the microsim card was apparently coded to my phone number and installed in China. From your price quotes, however you may be in the market for unlocked devices with no commitment -- or perhaps the prices are much higher in the UK? Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Thompson" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 2:52 PM Subject: Re: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? Hello Bubba, this is Tracy. Thank you for your perspective on this it is an interesting one. Actually though I am visually abled as Lynne calls it, sighted as a lot of others do. But accessibility and compatibility do come into this because I'd be buying 2 phones for Gordon and myself. I want my own phone to be compatible with their systems and everything they use here is Apple and that includes the servers that power this list and everything else here. The Android phones seem to vary a lot but I've been doing some reading and it would seem that most of them don't contain any accessible features out of the box. So I've opted not to go that road because of reasons above. It is now just a choice between Symbian (for me) and iPhone for Gordon, or iPhone for both of us. It's looking more likely to be iPhone for us both which would be 16G for me and 64G for Gordon. The only thing that annoys me regarding the iPhone is that you don't get any kind of case or other things with it. You have to pay top prices for those as well so it is going to work out expensive. So we'll see how we go. Again thank you for the info regarding the SIM cutter which I didn't know exists. Tracy Thompson On 16 Nov 2011, at 16:52, Bubba wrote: This is not a problem with the simm card as you can get a cutter to cut his card down to fit the new iPhone and also a adapter to make a micro simm fit in place of a regular simm . As for which phone to get if you are a seeing person I guess this would be preface as accessibility does not come into play. I am a big iPhone fan but this is because of the accessibility factor! If you Google for simm cutter and adapter you will find them just about everywhere. I think they are about 10 to 25 bucks for a set . So back to which phone to get if blind or with other handicap I would say the iPhone is the only way to go when accessibility comes into play as of now. If Accessibility does not come into play then it is a matter of budget and not wanting to be locked to apple app approval! If I was going to buy a iPhone right now I would not even think of buying anything but the 4s! But this is my JMO! HTH Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Tracy Thompson Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:40 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? Hello group I hope you don't mind me posting this here as I'm not blind or visually impaired. Lynne and Gordon have told me that the list is not only for the visually impaired so I thought I would post. I currently have a Samsung Symbian phone, (so I'm told), and it's dying rapidly. I've had this phone for about 2 years and it's been dropped several times. Anyway, I am seriously considering moving over to the Apple phone because I've seen Gordon and Lynne's phone and seen it in use. It's only a 3GS which brings me to my next question. I'm contemplating buying 1 for myself and also 1 for Gordon as a Christmas present. But I am told that the iPhone 4S doesn't use the same SIM card as the 3GS does. I gather it is meant for a micro-SIM. So how difficult would it be to get hold of a new SIM without changing the phone number on Gordon's 3GS? I know a lot of you are outside of the UK and things are different. When I worked in Sydney and New York for a while the environments were very different. But that's another discussion for a different place. What I nee is an objective view as to whether this would be a good buy or whether I should just look at something else. Yes I have looked at a few Android phones and yes some of them look quite attractive. But as I live with Gordon and lynne I really want compatibility with what they use so that they can share things with me and visa versa. I'm looking at the 64G version of iPhone 4S which costs ?699.00 from the Apple Store and about ?800 Pounds from other places. Any constructive comment is very welcome, with thanks. Tracy Thompson <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Nov 16 20:30:50 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:30:50 +0000 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: <473FA7CE-82D8-4770-9B96-61939AE58385@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> References: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk><000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> <44B04353857B429F82FF718AF549F348@DD952WB1> <473FA7CE-82D8-4770-9B96-61939AE58385@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> Message-ID: Hi Tracy, Obtaining the micro sim is no problem whatsoever. You can either go into the o2 store and just get one, or indeed you can get kits that cut down the existing one. I'd avoid this latter option personally, as sometimes those cut-down sims are problematic. It may take a few minutes to switch your number to the new sim, but that's the only tricky bit. D?nal On 16 Nov 2011, at 20:28, Tracy Thompson wrote: > Hello Geoff > > I wouldn't be buying from the carrier; it would be SIM-free and unlocked. We could apparently get a micro-SIM from O2 but I don't know how easy that would be. Thank you for your reply and interesting comment. > > Tracy Thompson > > On 16 Nov 2011, at 20:00, Geoff Waaler wrote: > > Hi Tracy, > > Depending on your scenario you may not need a sim cutter. I recently upgraded from a 3GS to a 4S using the same carrier (AT&T here in the US) and the microsim card was apparently coded to my phone number and installed in China. From your price quotes, however you may be in the market for unlocked devices with no commitment -- or perhaps the prices are much higher in the UK? > > Best regards. > Geoff > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tracy Thompson" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 2:52 PM > Subject: Re: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? > > > Hello Bubba, this is Tracy. > > Thank you for your perspective on this it is an interesting one. Actually though I am visually abled as Lynne calls it, sighted as a lot of others do. But accessibility and compatibility do come into this because I'd be buying 2 phones for Gordon and myself. I want my own phone to be compatible with their systems and everything they use here is Apple and that includes the servers that power this list and everything else here. > > The Android phones seem to vary a lot but I've been doing some reading and it would seem that most of them don't contain any accessible features out of the box. So I've opted not to go that road because of reasons above. > > It is now just a choice between Symbian (for me) and iPhone for Gordon, or iPhone for both of us. It's looking more likely to be iPhone for us both which would be 16G for me and 64G for Gordon. > > The only thing that annoys me regarding the iPhone is that you don't get any kind of case or other things with it. You have to pay top prices for those as well so it is going to work out expensive. So we'll see how we go. Again thank you for the info regarding the SIM cutter which I didn't know exists. > > Tracy Thompson > > > > On 16 Nov 2011, at 16:52, Bubba wrote: > > This is not a problem with the simm card as you can get a cutter to cut his > card down to fit the new iPhone and also a adapter to make a micro simm fit > in place of a regular simm . As for which phone to get if you are a seeing > person I guess this would be preface as accessibility does not come into > play. I am a big iPhone fan but this is because of the accessibility factor! > If you Google for simm cutter and adapter you will find them just about > everywhere. I think they are about 10 to 25 bucks for a set . So back to > which phone to get if blind or with other handicap I would say the iPhone is > the only way to go when accessibility comes into play as of now. If > Accessibility does not come into play then it is a matter of budget and not > wanting to be locked to apple app approval! If I was going to buy a iPhone > right now I would not even think of buying anything but the 4s! But this is > my JMO! HTH > > > Sign, > Bubba > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Tracy Thompson > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:40 AM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? > > Hello group > > I hope you don't mind me posting this here as I'm not blind or visually > impaired. Lynne and Gordon have told me that the list is not only for the > visually impaired so I thought I would post. > > I currently have a Samsung Symbian phone, (so I'm told), and it's dying > rapidly. I've had this phone for about 2 years and it's been dropped several > times. > > Anyway, I am seriously considering moving over to the Apple phone because > I've seen Gordon and Lynne's phone and seen it in use. It's only a 3GS which > brings me to my next question. I'm contemplating buying 1 for myself and > also 1 for Gordon as a Christmas present. But I am told that the iPhone 4S > doesn't use the same SIM card as the 3GS does. I gather it is meant for a > micro-SIM. > > So how difficult would it be to get hold of a new SIM without changing the > phone number on Gordon's 3GS? I know a lot of you are outside of the UK and > things are different. When I worked in Sydney and New York for a while the > environments were very different. But that's another discussion for a > different place. What I nee is an objective view as to whether this would be > a good buy or whether I should just look at something else. Yes I have > looked at a few Android phones and yes some of them look quite attractive. > But as I live with Gordon and lynne I really want compatibility with what > they use so that they can share things with me and visa versa. > > I'm looking at the 64G version of iPhone 4S which costs ?699.00 from the > Apple Store and about ?800 Pounds from other places. Any constructive > comment is very welcome, with thanks. > > Tracy Thompson > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From 1smartdog at cox.net Wed Nov 16 20:34:40 2011 From: 1smartdog at cox.net (1SmartDog@cox.net) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:34:40 -0600 Subject: IOS docking recommendations. References: Message-ID: <4861D341B02E471B83826FFFA926203B@karen796b6a58c> I, too, like the B&W products and, while I am not well educated on international issues, I've also had JVC. I do think the quality of the JVC dock for my previous 3GS was better than my current dock for the 4S. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Waaler" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 2:20 PM Subject: IOS docking recommendations. > Greetings, > > Perhaps this is hard to answer on an international list, but I am seeking > suggestions about a dock for my iPhone. Last year I purchased a Logitech > Pure-fi. I was very impressed with the size and sound, but would never > recommend this device based on my experience. I believe I was gentle, but > in a little over a year it stopped docking properly with my 3GS. It would > not supply power to my phone or emit sound from it. Logitech customer > service was excellent during the warrantee period, but I reluctantly > concluded that Logitech docks are to fragile for my purposes. > > Can anyone suggest a docking station that is durable, sounds good, and > won't break the bank like the Bose model? I wouldn't mind springing for a > Bose if the extra cost buys more than the company name. > > TIA for any/all suggestions and best regards. > Geoff > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Wed Nov 16 21:09:14 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:09:14 +0000 (GMT) Subject: IOS docking recommendations. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <98b2dc6f-16d4-69cd-f702-cdd85b1dba36@me.com> Hi Geoff and Others, I believe that Zack has the Bouwers & Wilkins model and likes it -- Airplay based, reviewed well at iLounge, but pricey. ?This was one of the early speakers that supported Airplay, and the first that was well reviewed. ?There may be other possibilities now. Was this what people were thinking of? ?Zack is in the U.S., so maybe he can weigh in with comments. Cheers, Esther? On Nov 16, 2011, at 10:24 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: I personally wouldn't touch the Bowe's model Jeff. I have their computer speakers and you'll do better than that for the same money. Ever looked at the B&W kit? On 16 Nov 2011, at 20:20, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Greetings, > > Perhaps this is hard to answer on an international list, but I am seeking suggestions about a dock for my iPhone. Last year I purchased a Logitech Pure-fi. I was very impressed with the size and sound, but would never recommend this device based on my experience. I believe I was gentle, but in a little over a year it stopped docking properly with my 3GS. It would not supply power to my phone or emit sound from it. Logitech customer service was excellent during the warrantee period, but I reluctantly concluded that Logitech docks are to fragile for my purposes. > > Can anyone suggest a docking station that is durable, sounds good, and won't break the bank like the Bose model? I wouldn't mind springing for a Bose if the extra cost buys more than the company name. > > TIA for any/all suggestions and best regards. > Geoff From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Wed Nov 16 21:13:04 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:13:04 +0000 Subject: IOS docking recommendations. In-Reply-To: <98b2dc6f-16d4-69cd-f702-cdd85b1dba36@me.com> References: <98b2dc6f-16d4-69cd-f702-cdd85b1dba36@me.com> Message-ID: <1B2ADCE6-B904-438F-A4DD-B4E73EE5AB82@computing.dcu.ie> Yep that's the one Ester. Known colloquially over here as "B&W", so sorry for any confusion. D?nal On 16 Nov 2011, at 21:09, Esther wrote: > Hi Geoff and Others, > > I believe that Zack has the Bouwers & Wilkins model and likes it -- Airplay based, reviewed well at iLounge, but pricey. This was one of the early speakers that supported Airplay, and the first that was well reviewed. There may be other possibilities now. Was this what people were thinking of? Zack is in the U.S., so maybe he can weigh in with comments. > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Nov 16, 2011, at 10:24 AM, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I personally wouldn't touch the Bowe's model Jeff. I have their computer speakers and you'll do better than that for the same money. Ever looked at the B&W kit? > On 16 Nov 2011, at 20:20, Geoff Waaler wrote: > >> Greetings, >> Perhaps this is hard to answer on an international list, but I am seeking suggestions about a dock for my iPhone. Last year I purchased a Logitech Pure-fi. I was very impressed with the size and sound, but would never recommend this device based on my experience. I believe I was gentle, but in a little over a year it stopped docking properly with my 3GS. It would not supply power to my phone or emit sound from it. Logitech customer service was excellent during the warrantee period, but I reluctantly concluded that Logitech docks are to fragile for my purposes. >> Can anyone suggest a docking station that is durable, sounds good, and won't break the bank like the Bose model? I wouldn't mind springing for a Bose if the extra cost buys more than the company name. >> TIA for any/all suggestions and best regards. >> Geoff > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From godfearer at comcast.net Wed Nov 16 21:22:13 2011 From: godfearer at comcast.net (robert doc Wright) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:22:13 -0700 Subject: thanks for the welcome References: <26427198-E8B8-4301-B078-2C4729CC4B4F@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <083634DCD037489B9DAF59CDEFFD531A@Media> I am very new to the Mac world but not to voiceover. I have had my iPhone 3gs since January. I recently purchased an old Power Mac g4 aka EMac. Its running Leopard 10.5. I found a tutorial thanks to a lady named Esther. So, once I set up a mental hard drive for voiceover commands and become more use to it I figure I can then start saving up for a real Mac. Though, it keeps bugging me to do a software update, which I cannot because the previous owner did not get the system disk when theunit was given to him, I do nhot know the password. the user name is "mac user". with it being listed as obsolete I doubt that I can take it to an Apple store to get help. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon, Lynne & Tracy" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 7:02 AM Subject: Dual New Member Welcome > Hello everybody > > It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum > that Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping > with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome: > Amber Harmon > and: > doc Wright > to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing > globally. We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, > friendly and worthwhile place to be. > > In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of > skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers > with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but > have a keen interest. We hope you will feel free to post your questions > and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, > there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place > in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. > > Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of > virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the > configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of > the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or > any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The > exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the > virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope > this clarifies the position. > > If you have any list-related queries, please do not hesitate to contact > either Gordon and myself, (the list owners), at , > or one of our very capable assistant list controllers; Anne Robertson, > or James Austin, and > we will be happy to help you. > > Once again, a very warm welcome to the group. We hope you find your > membership an enjoyable experience. > > Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all > Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your > Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. > > If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a > listing of the books available please visit: > http://www.takecontrolbooks.com > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From godfearer at comcast.net Wed Nov 16 21:45:40 2011 From: godfearer at comcast.net (robert doc Wright) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:45:40 -0700 Subject: IOS docking recommendations. References: Message-ID: Are you aware that Bose has a payment plan with no interest charged? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Waaler" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 1:20 PM Subject: IOS docking recommendations. > Greetings, > > Perhaps this is hard to answer on an international list, but I am seeking > suggestions about a dock for my iPhone. Last year I purchased a Logitech > Pure-fi. I was very impressed with the size and sound, but would never > recommend this device based on my experience. I believe I was gentle, but > in a little over a year it stopped docking properly with my 3GS. It would > not supply power to my phone or emit sound from it. Logitech customer > service was excellent during the warrantee period, but I reluctantly > concluded that Logitech docks are to fragile for my purposes. > > Can anyone suggest a docking station that is durable, sounds good, and > won't break the bank like the Bose model? I wouldn't mind springing for a > Bose if the extra cost buys more than the company name. > > TIA for any/all suggestions and best regards. > Geoff > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From moopiecurran at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 22:12:38 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:12:38 -0500 Subject: new mac store requirements In-Reply-To: <4ec4077e.85c5e30a.71cf.fffff3b9SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <4ec4077e.85c5e30a.71cf.fffff3b9SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <-2107391266365022626@unknownmsgid> Hi, This is terrible, I wonder what this will mean for apps like Airfoil, Amadeus Pro, Audiobook builder, or most importantly, Audiohijack pro? I'm quite worried about this sandboxing issue. Any input and oppinions on what might happen with these apps especially are appreciated. Thanks, Courtney Sent from my iPad On 16 Nov 2011, at 01:57 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > Hey everyone, apple will soon be requiring applications to comply with very strict guide lines in order to be in teh app store, personally, I think this is being too restrictive, here are links to 2 different articles describing the changes. I think this will end up hurting apple in the end. > http://lacquer.fi/pauli/blog/2011/11/why-the-mac-app-sandbox-makes-me-sad/ > http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/11/apple-pushes-back-sandboxing-deadline-as-devs-struggle-with-tradeoffs.ars > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From tsiegel at softcon.com Wed Nov 16 22:23:41 2011 From: tsiegel at softcon.com (Travis Siegel) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:23:41 -0500 Subject: IOS docking recommendations. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <528A475E-2283-4004-B81B-8D555F54AA82@softcon.com> We have a doc here made by memorex (spelling) and it works very well. It provides charging capabilities, as well as acting as speakers when the ipod/iphone is plugged in. It comes with several adapter plates to make just about every model of device fit it's docking port. I don't know how much they cost, since we found ours at a place that sells luggage the airlines have lost (presumably after it's been refound), and we paid something like 10 bucks or something similar. However, it's an excellent set of speakers, and sounds equally well with music or voice. On Nov 16, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Greetings, > > Perhaps this is hard to answer on an international list, but I am > seeking suggestions about a dock for my iPhone. Last year I > purchased a Logitech Pure-fi. I was very impressed with the size > and sound, but would never recommend this device based on my > experience. I believe I was gentle, but in a little over a year it > stopped docking properly with my 3GS. It would not supply power to > my phone or emit sound from it. Logitech customer service was > excellent during the warrantee period, but I reluctantly concluded > that Logitech docks are to fragile for my purposes. > > Can anyone suggest a docking station that is durable, sounds good, > and won't break the bank like the Bose model? I wouldn't mind > springing for a Bose if the extra cost buys more than the company > name. > > TIA for any/all suggestions and best regards. > Geoff > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac- > access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access > forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > From tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk Wed Nov 16 22:40:36 2011 From: tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk (Tracy Thompson) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:40:36 +0000 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: References: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk><000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> <44B04353857B429F82FF718AF549F348@DD952WB1> <473FA7CE-82D8-4770-9B96-61939AE58385@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> Message-ID: Hello Donal Thank you for your interesting input. My inclination would be to avoid the cutters actually because I am not a technical person with this sort of thing. I don't think I would feel comfortable with that and although the thing would be for Gordon I would feel responsible if it broke at all. I'm going to chat with Lynne about it later as there are issues at work here that I can't talk about on list which might affect the way we do this or even if we do it at all. Thank you Tracy Thompson On 16 Nov 2011, at 20:30, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: Obtaining the micro sim is no problem whatsoever. You can either go into the o2 store and just get one, or indeed you can get kits that cut down the existing one. I'd avoid this latter option personally, as sometimes those cut-down sims are problematic. It may take a few minutes to switch your number to the new sim, but that's the only tricky bit. From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 22:44:34 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:44:34 -0500 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: References: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> <000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> Message-ID: <00c001cca4b1$5097e400$f1c7ac00$@gmail.com> Hi, if you want to be compatibility with them on their stuff then the iPhone is the only way to go I would think. I would not get anything less than the iphone4s is my thoughts. Also the cases can be expensive but it depend on the case! But I still would say the iPhone is the way to go for this. Now you not going to put a lot of music or videos and such on the phone the 16 gb will be just fine. If you are then the 32 or 64 gb comes into play. JST and HTH Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Tracy Thompson Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 2:52 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? Hello Bubba, this is Tracy. Thank you for your perspective on this it is an interesting one. Actually though I am visually abled as Lynne calls it, sighted as a lot of others do. But accessibility and compatibility do come into this because I'd be buying 2 phones for Gordon and myself. I want my own phone to be compatible with their systems and everything they use here is Apple and that includes the servers that power this list and everything else here. The Android phones seem to vary a lot but I've been doing some reading and it would seem that most of them don't contain any accessible features out of the box. So I've opted not to go that road because of reasons above. It is now just a choice between Symbian (for me) and iPhone for Gordon, or iPhone for both of us. It's looking more likely to be iPhone for us both which would be 16G for me and 64G for Gordon. The only thing that annoys me regarding the iPhone is that you don't get any kind of case or other things with it. You have to pay top prices for those as well so it is going to work out expensive. So we'll see how we go. Again thank you for the info regarding the SIM cutter which I didn't know exists. Tracy Thompson On 16 Nov 2011, at 16:52, Bubba wrote: This is not a problem with the simm card as you can get a cutter to cut his card down to fit the new iPhone and also a adapter to make a micro simm fit in place of a regular simm . As for which phone to get if you are a seeing person I guess this would be preface as accessibility does not come into play. I am a big iPhone fan but this is because of the accessibility factor! If you Google for simm cutter and adapter you will find them just about everywhere. I think they are about 10 to 25 bucks for a set . So back to which phone to get if blind or with other handicap I would say the iPhone is the only way to go when accessibility comes into play as of now. If Accessibility does not come into play then it is a matter of budget and not wanting to be locked to apple app approval! If I was going to buy a iPhone right now I would not even think of buying anything but the 4s! But this is my JMO! HTH Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Tracy Thompson Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:40 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? Hello group I hope you don't mind me posting this here as I'm not blind or visually impaired. Lynne and Gordon have told me that the list is not only for the visually impaired so I thought I would post. I currently have a Samsung Symbian phone, (so I'm told), and it's dying rapidly. I've had this phone for about 2 years and it's been dropped several times. Anyway, I am seriously considering moving over to the Apple phone because I've seen Gordon and Lynne's phone and seen it in use. It's only a 3GS which brings me to my next question. I'm contemplating buying 1 for myself and also 1 for Gordon as a Christmas present. But I am told that the iPhone 4S doesn't use the same SIM card as the 3GS does. I gather it is meant for a micro-SIM. So how difficult would it be to get hold of a new SIM without changing the phone number on Gordon's 3GS? I know a lot of you are outside of the UK and things are different. When I worked in Sydney and New York for a while the environments were very different. But that's another discussion for a different place. What I nee is an objective view as to whether this would be a good buy or whether I should just look at something else. Yes I have looked at a few Android phones and yes some of them look quite attractive. But as I live with Gordon and lynne I really want compatibility with what they use so that they can share things with me and visa versa. I'm looking at the 64G version of iPhone 4S which costs ?699.00 from the Apple Store and about ?800 Pounds from other places. Any constructive comment is very welcome, with thanks. Tracy Thompson <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! 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Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk Wed Nov 16 22:49:30 2011 From: tracy at the-wacky-workshop.co.uk (Tracy Thompson) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 22:49:30 +0000 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: <00c001cca4b1$5097e400$f1c7ac00$@gmail.com> References: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> <000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> <00c001cca4b1$5097e400$f1c7ac00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5D478C7A-6E2A-4BAA-9AC9-3C3933D6146B@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> Hello Bubba Thank you for your interesting comment. It's either the iPhone or nothing I think. It depends upon what Lynne says to me later. The size of the memory is an issue because I have a lot of things that I like to keep handy. Currently I use an old iPod Touch but the battery is dying so that is soon dead in the water. I will see what Lynne says but because I store not only music but also movies on my device I think that both mine and Gordon's would have to be 64G Tracy Thompson On 16 Nov 2011, at 22:44, Bubba wrote: Hi, if you want to be compatibility with them on their stuff then the iPhone is the only way to go I would think. I would not get anything less than the iphone4s is my thoughts. Also the cases can be expensive but it depend on the case! But I still would say the iPhone is the way to go for this. Now you not going to put a lot of music or videos and such on the phone the 16 gb will be just fine. If you are then the 32 or 64 gb comes into play. From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Wed Nov 16 22:50:50 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 17:50:50 -0500 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: References: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk><000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> <44B04353857B429F82FF718AF549F348@DD952WB1> <473FA7CE-82D8-4770-9B96-61939AE58385@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> Message-ID: <00e201cca4b2$313d80f0$93b882d0$@gmail.com> Hi, the cutter is not hard to use at all you just drop the simm card in it and push the two halves together. Now if you get one of them very cheap ones where you have to use it like a pair of scissors than that might be a problem. But I sure you can just buy a micro simm and then an adapter on the net and just use your micro simm in the other phone. JST and HTH Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Tracy Thompson Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 5:41 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? Hello Donal Thank you for your interesting input. My inclination would be to avoid the cutters actually because I am not a technical person with this sort of thing. I don't think I would feel comfortable with that and although the thing would be for Gordon I would feel responsible if it broke at all. I'm going to chat with Lynne about it later as there are issues at work here that I can't talk about on list which might affect the way we do this or even if we do it at all. Thank you Tracy Thompson On 16 Nov 2011, at 20:30, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: Obtaining the micro sim is no problem whatsoever. You can either go into the o2 store and just get one, or indeed you can get kits that cut down the existing one. I'd avoid this latter option personally, as sometimes those cut-down sims are problematic. It may take a few minutes to switch your number to the new sim, but that's the only tricky bit. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From cfgolding at comcast.net Wed Nov 16 22:59:15 2011 From: cfgolding at comcast.net (Catherine Golding) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 14:59:15 -0800 Subject: iphone Re: Word processing for IPhone In-Reply-To: <4EC409FE.3050802@yahoo.com> References: <002001cca0b7$b9a8f9a0$2cfaece0$@net> <4EC40323.2070404@yahoo.com> <00c801cca490$56749ab0$035dd010$@net> <4EC409FE.3050802@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00ea01cca4b3$5d6652f0$1832f8d0$@net> Yes, it is, and I had problems finding it, too. In the ap store search box, enter lower case I followed by capital A space capital Writer. It works even better with the Iphone 5. -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris Johnson Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:08 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: iphone Re: Word processing for IPhone IA Writer isn't available for iPhone that I could find. Chris Johnson Loveland, CO On 11/16/11 11:48 AM, Catherine Golding wrote: > The best one I have found is IA Writer. Some parts of Pages is accessible, > but there are parts that are still not accessible. > > Catherine Golding > Olympia, Washington > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:38 AM > To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility > Subject: Word processing for IPhone > > Is Pages for iPhone accessible for writing (with a bluetooth keyboard)? > If not is there something else that works well with voiceover for > writing on an iphone? > > Chris > > On 11/11/11 2:20 PM, Catherine Golding wrote: >> IA Writer > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From grtdane at internode.on.net Wed Nov 16 23:09:57 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:09:57 +1100 Subject: new mac store requirements In-Reply-To: <-2107391266365022626@unknownmsgid> References: <4ec4077e.85c5e30a.71cf.fffff3b9SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <-2107391266365022626@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <4EC442C5.3070607@internode.on.net> My opinion for what its worth is is a pretty standard response I issue to anything like this which appears, "let's watch, wait and see what happens" but whatever happens - if anything at all! - the world will keep spinning round and we'll still be able to enjoy a nice cup of tea, . On 17/11/2011 9:12 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > This is terrible, I wonder what this will mean for apps like Airfoil, > Amadeus Pro, Audiobook builder, or most importantly, Audiohijack pro? > I'm quite worried about this sandboxing issue. Any input and > oppinions on what might happen with these apps especially are > appreciated. > Thanks, > Courtney > > Sent from my iPad > > On 16 Nov 2011, at 01:57 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > >> Hey everyone, apple will soon be requiring applications to comply with very strict guide lines in order to be in teh app store, personally, I think this is being too restrictive, here are links to 2 different articles describing the changes. I think this will end up hurting apple in the end. >> http://lacquer.fi/pauli/blog/2011/11/why-the-mac-app-sandbox-makes-me-sad/ >> http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/11/apple-pushes-back-sandboxing-deadline-as-devs-struggle-with-tradeoffs.ars >> >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia skype callto:grtdane12 MSN: grtdane at dane-trethowan.net From velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com Wed Nov 16 23:25:56 2011 From: velocity.focus66 at virginmedia.com (Red.Falcon) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 23:25:56 +0000 Subject: new mac store requirements In-Reply-To: <4EC442C5.3070607@internode.on.net> References: <4ec4077e.85c5e30a.71cf.fffff3b9SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <-2107391266365022626@unknownmsgid> <4EC442C5.3070607@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <05792858-FFD2-4643-A0FA-6415E42453D6@virginmedia.com> Well I look forward to my vo operated coffee maker! You can keep your tea! Come on Apple make a coffee maker! :] On 16 Nov 2011, at 23:09, Dane Trethowan wrote: > My opinion for what its worth is is a pretty standard response I issue to anything like this which appears, "let's watch, wait and see what happens" but whatever happens - if anything at all! - the world will keep spinning round and we'll still be able to enjoy a nice cup of tea, . > > > > On 17/11/2011 9:12 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: >> Hi, >> This is terrible, I wonder what this will mean for apps like Airfoil, >> Amadeus Pro, Audiobook builder, or most importantly, Audiohijack pro? >> I'm quite worried about this sandboxing issue. Any input and >> oppinions on what might happen with these apps especially are >> appreciated. >> Thanks, >> Courtney >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 16 Nov 2011, at 01:57 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >> >>> Hey everyone, apple will soon be requiring applications to comply with very strict guide lines in order to be in teh app store, personally, I think this is being too restrictive, here are links to 2 different articles describing the changes. I think this will end up hurting apple in the end. >>> http://lacquer.fi/pauli/blog/2011/11/why-the-mac-app-sandbox-makes-me-sad/ >>> http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/11/apple-pushes-back-sandboxing-deadline-as-devs-struggle-with-tradeoffs.ars >>> >>> -- >>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > -- > Dane Trethowan > From Melton Victoria Australia > skype callto:grtdane12 > MSN: grtdane at dane-trethowan.net > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From orin8722 at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 01:21:00 2011 From: orin8722 at gmail.com (Orin) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:21:00 -0500 Subject: new mac store requirements In-Reply-To: <-2107391266365022626@unknownmsgid> References: <4ec4077e.85c5e30a.71cf.fffff3b9SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <-2107391266365022626@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <2E0ACCDC-E51C-45CE-AE18-CE32664F0599@gmail.com> Audio Hijack Pro was never in the app store anyway. Won't have to worry about that as well as any of the audio apps. Orin orin8722 at gmail.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks Skype: orin1112 On Nov 16, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > This is terrible, I wonder what this will mean for apps like Airfoil, > Amadeus Pro, Audiobook builder, or most importantly, Audiohijack pro? > I'm quite worried about this sandboxing issue. Any input and > oppinions on what might happen with these apps especially are > appreciated. > Thanks, > Courtney > > Sent from my iPad > > On 16 Nov 2011, at 01:57 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > >> Hey everyone, apple will soon be requiring applications to comply with very strict guide lines in order to be in teh app store, personally, I think this is being too restrictive, here are links to 2 different articles describing the changes. I think this will end up hurting apple in the end. >> http://lacquer.fi/pauli/blog/2011/11/why-the-mac-app-sandbox-makes-me-sad/ >> http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/11/apple-pushes-back-sandboxing-deadline-as-devs-struggle-with-tradeoffs.ars >> >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Thu Nov 17 01:28:03 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 15:28:03 -1000 Subject: iphone Re: Word processing for IPhone In-Reply-To: <00ea01cca4b3$5d6652f0$1832f8d0$@net> References: <002001cca0b7$b9a8f9a0$2cfaece0$@net> <4EC40323.2070404@yahoo.com> <00c801cca490$56749ab0$035dd010$@net> <4EC409FE.3050802@yahoo.com> <00ea01cca4b3$5d6652f0$1832f8d0$@net> Message-ID: <3067C0BF-3D68-4392-AADF-FFF680B6C813@mac.com> Hi Catherine, Chris, and Others, iA Writer exists as an iOS word processing app for the iPad, and is also available for the Mac, but there is no iOS version of this app for the iPhone. That explains why Chris couldn't find it. There are just some apps that are available for the iPad that don't have iPhone versions, like the original release of Pages. And of course, there are also apps for the iPhone that won't run on the iPad. HTH (with a PostScript for Catherine below my signature). Cheers, Esther P.S. I don't use very many abbreviations in my posts, but the few that I'm likely to use are "HTH" for "Hope this helps", "YMMV" for "Your mileage may vary" -- meaning that you may have a different experience or reach a different conclusion/end up with a different opinion than mine under similar circumstances, and "AFAIK" for "As far as I know". The most puzzling acronym I've encountered, at least on first viewing, is "a11y" for "accessibility", although it's very commonly used in tweets. The general principle is that you write the first and last letter of a word, and then give the number of letters that you're leaving out in between. On Nov 16, 2011, at 12:59, Catherine Golding wrote: > Yes, it is, and I had problems finding it, too. In the ap store search box, > enter lower case I followed by capital A space capital Writer. It works > even better with the Iphone 5. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:08 AM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: iphone Re: Word processing for IPhone > > IA Writer isn't available for iPhone that I could find. > > Chris Johnson > Loveland, CO > > > On 11/16/11 11:48 AM, Catherine Golding wrote: >> The best one I have found is IA Writer. Some parts of Pages is > accessible, >> but there are parts that are still not accessible. >> >> Catherine Golding >> Olympia, Washington >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net >> [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Chris Johnson >> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:38 AM >> To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility >> Subject: Word processing for IPhone >> >> Is Pages for iPhone accessible for writing (with a bluetooth keyboard)? >> If not is there something else that works well with voiceover for >> writing on an iphone? >> >> Chris >> >> On 11/11/11 2:20 PM, Catherine Golding wrote: >>> IA Writer From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Nov 17 01:35:27 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:35:27 +1100 Subject: new mac store requirements In-Reply-To: <2E0ACCDC-E51C-45CE-AE18-CE32664F0599@gmail.com> References: <4ec4077e.85c5e30a.71cf.fffff3b9SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <-2107391266365022626@unknownmsgid> <2E0ACCDC-E51C-45CE-AE18-CE32664F0599@gmail.com> Message-ID: <814E103C-7B72-4875-9AED-4E80A304B76E@internode.on.net> If there had been or was to be anything to worry about then I would have seen the "Worries" on the respective Twitter info coming from Audio Hijack Pro etc, I follow them rather than follow idle gossip and yep! hurry up Apple or some other third party developer with that coffee making app for the iPad, that's all that's missing now. On 17/11/2011, at 12:21 PM, Orin wrote: > Audio Hijack Pro was never in the app store anyway. Won't have to worry about that as well as any of the audio apps. > > Orin > orin8722 at gmail.com > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks > Skype: orin1112 > > > > On Nov 16, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > >> Hi, >> This is terrible, I wonder what this will mean for apps like Airfoil, >> Amadeus Pro, Audiobook builder, or most importantly, Audiohijack pro? >> I'm quite worried about this sandboxing issue. Any input and >> oppinions on what might happen with these apps especially are >> appreciated. >> Thanks, >> Courtney >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 16 Nov 2011, at 01:57 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >> >>> Hey everyone, apple will soon be requiring applications to comply with very strict guide lines in order to be in teh app store, personally, I think this is being too restrictive, here are links to 2 different articles describing the changes. I think this will end up hurting apple in the end. >>> http://lacquer.fi/pauli/blog/2011/11/why-the-mac-app-sandbox-makes-me-sad/ >>> http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/11/apple-pushes-back-sandboxing-deadline-as-devs-struggle-with-tradeoffs.ars >>> >>> -- >>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Thu Nov 17 02:00:23 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 20:00:23 -0600 Subject: new mac store requirements In-Reply-To: <2E0ACCDC-E51C-45CE-AE18-CE32664F0599@gmail.com> References: <4ec4077e.85c5e30a.71cf.fffff3b9SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <-2107391266365022626@unknownmsgid> <2E0ACCDC-E51C-45CE-AE18-CE32664F0599@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D117F11-95E0-4A81-A515-E96AF889CB40@charter.net> The only app I have purchased was the lion upgrade, I've gotten the other apps from the companies directly, even now, there are requirements that would prevent many apps from getting approved such as backup programs. With the sand box requirements, the next step could be that apple decides to only allow the installation of apps from their app store. Hopefully they will never do that, if they do, as much as I hate to do it, I will probably go back to windows. If I purchase a computer, it should be my decision what I install on it. On Nov 16, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Orin wrote: > Audio Hijack Pro was never in the app store anyway. Won't have to worry about that as well as any of the audio apps. > > Orin > orin8722 at gmail.com > Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/orinks > Skype: orin1112 > > > > On Nov 16, 2011, at 5:12 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > >> Hi, >> This is terrible, I wonder what this will mean for apps like Airfoil, >> Amadeus Pro, Audiobook builder, or most importantly, Audiohijack pro? >> I'm quite worried about this sandboxing issue. Any input and >> oppinions on what might happen with these apps especially are >> appreciated. >> Thanks, >> Courtney >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 16 Nov 2011, at 01:57 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >> >>> Hey everyone, apple will soon be requiring applications to comply with very strict guide lines in order to be in teh app store, personally, I think this is being too restrictive, here are links to 2 different articles describing the changes. I think this will end up hurting apple in the end. >>> http://lacquer.fi/pauli/blog/2011/11/why-the-mac-app-sandbox-makes-me-sad/ >>> http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/11/apple-pushes-back-sandboxing-deadline-as-devs-struggle-with-tradeoffs.ars >>> >>> -- >>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Nov 17 02:21:21 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:21:21 +1100 Subject: Iphone 3GS sold Message-ID: Hi! Sorry to bother the list but I thought I'd better let you all know that the iPhone 3GS I mentioned I had for sale here has found a home, thanks to those who enquired and I'm sorry I don't have more than 1 . From moriond at mac.com Thu Nov 17 05:28:48 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 19:28:48 -1000 Subject: Instapaper and Safari In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <436EB457-F70F-4E5A-8C6E-A4857F42FA7A@mac.com> Hi Ian, It's pretty easy to create an Instapaper bookmarklet for Safari for the Mac. For that matter, it's pretty simple to create any bookmarklet for Safari, including the ones on the Google Translate pages. I would create the Bookmark so that it is saved to my Bookmarks Bar. That way, if it is the first item in your Bookmarks Bar, for example, just pressing Command+1 in Safari will activate the bookmarklet. (In the case of the Instapaper bookmarklet, this means saving the current web page to your "Read Later" list in Instapaper. For other bookmarks, pressing Command+2, Command+3, etc. will take you to the web page of the second, third, etc. bookmarks on your Bookmarks Bar.) You're going to create a bookmark, then you'll copy the link to the bookmarklet on the Instapaper web page, and move to the bookmark in the "Show All Bookmarks" page of Safari. Using the context menu to edit the URL address you'll paste the link information into the address field of the bookmark you created. 1. In Safari, navigate to the URL of the Instapaper Bookmarklet: http://www.instapaper.com/extras 2. Press Command+D to create a bookmark to this page 3. In the dialog window for creating a bookmark, type "Read Later" into the text box for the name of the bookmark 4. VO-Right arrow to the pop up menu bar for the location you choose to keep the bookmark, press it with VO-Space, and select the "Bookmarks Bar" by typing the first few letters (e.g. "b" or "b o") and/or use your arrow keys to move to the selection. Make sure you've chosen the "Bookmarks Bar" and not the "Bookmarks Menu" item that is just after it, so you can use the Command+1, etc. shortcut to go to this bookmark. 5. Navigate to the "Add" button and press it with VO-Space. This adds the bookmark and also closes the dialog window. 6. Navigate to the "Read Later" bookmarklet. You can either navigate to the "Read Later bookmarklet" heading, to read the instruction that will tell you to drag to the bookmark to your Bookmarks bar, or navigate directly to the "Read Later" link for the bookmarklet. (Navigate any way you like with the web rotor set to headings or links, but item chooser menu is always a good option, so you could press VO-I, then quickly type "l i n" for the links, then type "r e a d" to find the "Read Later" bookmarklet link. VO-Space to move to the link. 7. VO-Shift-M to bring up the context menu and choose "Copy Link" 8. Command+Option+B to "Show All Bookmarks" in Safari. (Comment: I usually have my Safari view options set so that the Bookmarks Bar is hidden and the Tool Bar is hidden. These options can be set in the "View" menu on the menu bar, but you can also toggle them between show and hide with Command-Shift-B for the Bookmarks Bar and Command-Shift-Backslash for the Tool bar. This just simplifies using item chooser menu, since you won't get items that appear in the tool bar or bookmarks bar mixed in with your available selections.) 9. Navigate to the "Bookmarks Bar" item in the table of collections and highlight it by clicking with VO-Shift-Space. 10. Navigate to the table of bookmarks in the Bookmarks Bar by pressing VO-Command-T then interact (VO-Shift-Down Arrow). You should be at the position of the first bookmark in the Bookmarks Bar, which should be the "Read Later" bookmark you just created. 11. VO-Shift-M to bring up the context menu and select "Edit Address" 12. Command-V to paste in the link you copied into the address field. 13. Command-Option-B to toggle off "Show all Bookmarks" and return to your previous web page. Command+Right bracket to go back to the previous page will also work here. You're done, and now whenever you visit a page you'd like to "Read Later" in Instapaper on your Mac or on your iOS device, just press Command+1 to mark it. Although I usually hide my Bookmarks Bar, on my iPad in the Settings menu I have Safari set so that "Always Show Bookmarks Bar" has the switch set to "on". Then I can just flick to the "Read Later" bookmark and double tap it. The same principle applies on any web page where you're asked to drag a bookmark to your Bookmarks Bar. Just bring up the context menu to copy the link for the bookmark, then paste it into the address field of the Bookmarks Bar item in question on the "Show All Bookmarks" page of Safari. This is the general way you can get java script bookmarklets to work -- you just paste the script into the URL address fields via the context menu. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Nov 15, 2011, at 02:36, Ian Harrison wrote: > Hi to all, > > Am I right in thinking there is a way to bookmark articles in safari on the mac so that I can later read them on my iphone? > > If so, what do I have to do to enable this? > > I love instapaper. > > Ian From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Thu Nov 17 06:16:14 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:16:14 +1100 Subject: new mac store requirements In-Reply-To: <-2107391266365022626@unknownmsgid> References: <4ec4077e.85c5e30a.71cf.fffff3b9SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <-2107391266365022626@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <27E83716-5C7B-4B5E-AE43-D8D3BA8A6A96@bluebottle.com> that is not fair we payed all the money for these apps like transmit and audio hijack pro and now we will not be able to use them in march this is just terrible and its really not fair at all can we have our money back please apple sad smile On 17/11/2011, at 9:12 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > This is terrible, I wonder what this will mean for apps like Airfoil, > Amadeus Pro, Audiobook builder, or most importantly, Audiohijack pro? > I'm quite worried about this sandboxing issue. Any input and > oppinions on what might happen with these apps especially are > appreciated. > Thanks, > Courtney > > Sent from my iPad > > On 16 Nov 2011, at 01:57 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > >> Hey everyone, apple will soon be requiring applications to comply with very strict guide lines in order to be in teh app store, personally, I think this is being too restrictive, here are links to 2 different articles describing the changes. I think this will end up hurting apple in the end. >> http://lacquer.fi/pauli/blog/2011/11/why-the-mac-app-sandbox-makes-me-sad/ >> http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/11/apple-pushes-back-sandboxing-deadline-as-devs-struggle-with-tradeoffs.ars >> >> -- >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Nov 17 06:15:28 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:15:28 +1100 Subject: Anyone played with Reaper? Message-ID: Hi! This software seems a nice accessible alternative to something like Garage Band or even if you just want to do multi track editing, I've had it going under Windows for quite some time and I just started playing with the latest 64-bit version for Mac last night, I have one question and that's how do you set the input recording mode for a recording source say microphone or line in recording? Can't find it anywhere in the Mac version, in the Windows version this setting is under "Project Properties". From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Thu Nov 17 06:41:04 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 06:41:04 +0000 Subject: Anyone played with Reaper? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57D81844-DBCB-4E1E-8CD2-E8D9742FA39E@googlemail.com> hi might take a look at this app is it simalar to something like amadayas pro. Ian McNamara From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Nov 17 06:53:55 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:53:55 +1100 Subject: Anyone played with Reaper? In-Reply-To: <57D81844-DBCB-4E1E-8CD2-E8D9742FA39E@googlemail.com> References: <57D81844-DBCB-4E1E-8CD2-E8D9742FA39E@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <65CDC3C2-07A4-4818-9073-7BEA11C54984@internode.on.net> Ah no, far more advanced than Amadeus Pro though it can perform all the functions that Amadeus Pro can, you can find a demo at Note that 2 versions are available for OSX Lion, the 32 and 64 bit versions, which one you use will depend on what plugins you want to use with the software but both will produce the same quality files and recordings. On 17/11/2011, at 5:41 PM, Ian McNamara wrote: > hi might take a look at this app is it simalar to something like amadayas pro. > > Ian McNamara > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Nov 17 07:56:36 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:56:36 +0000 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: <00e201cca4b2$313d80f0$93b882d0$@gmail.com> References: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk><000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> <44B04353857B429F82FF718AF549F348@DD952WB1> <473FA7CE-82D8-4770-9B96-61939AE58385@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> <00e201cca4b2$313d80f0$93b882d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7903A519-81C0-4351-A6E4-CDEA0EC24E8E@mac-access.net> Hello Bubba; Lynne here this time as Tracy has gone to work. :) I'm now looking into this for her. We discussed it last night and we've decided to have a serious look to see what we and, particularly, Gordon who requires VoiceOver and accessibility would gain from the iPhone 4S upgrade. What keeps nagging at me is the fact that his 3GS still works perfectly and I'm a little reluctant, as always on these things, to upgrade for the sake of upgrading. I mean, although it's true that I could then permanently hijack the 3GS and use it when I'm out and about, it would really have to be a worthwhile upgrade to be honest. I mean, he'd really have to benefit from the upgrade in significant ways. I am quite excited about Siri; reading the documentation blurb it looks to be an interesting tool. I think I'm right in saying that it won't run on the iPhone 3GS? Lynne On 16 Nov 2011, at 22:50, Bubba wrote: Hi, the cutter is not hard to use at all you just drop the simm card in it and push the two halves together. Now if you get one of them very cheap ones where you have to use it like a pair of scissors than that might be a problem. But I sure you can just buy a micro simm and then an adapter on the net and just use your micro simm in the other phone. From va3ets2000 at me.com Thu Nov 17 06:56:39 2011 From: va3ets2000 at me.com (Dan Eickmeier) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 01:56:39 -0500 Subject: Anyone played with Reaper? In-Reply-To: <65CDC3C2-07A4-4818-9073-7BEA11C54984@internode.on.net> References: <57D81844-DBCB-4E1E-8CD2-E8D9742FA39E@googlemail.com> <65CDC3C2-07A4-4818-9073-7BEA11C54984@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <7555227A-9682-4CF0-BE28-49FDEAC0750B@me.com> My question about this app, is how do you arm a track? Have not found anywhere in the menus to do so. On Nov 17, 2011, at 1:53 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Ah no, far more advanced than Amadeus Pro though it can perform all the functions that Amadeus Pro can, you can find a demo at > > Note that 2 versions are available for OSX Lion, the 32 and 64 bit versions, which one you use will depend on what plugins you want to use with the software but both will produce the same quality files and recordings. > > > On 17/11/2011, at 5:41 PM, Ian McNamara wrote: > >> hi might take a look at this app is it simalar to something like amadayas pro. >> >> Ian McNamara >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Nov 17 08:05:16 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:05:16 +0000 Subject: Iphone 3GS sold In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9ADEEF3D-968D-4ACE-80A6-1889EEDF3A48@mac-access.net> It's possible we could have one for sale. I'm not usually a wheeler-dealer; but this machine is in perfect condition, not a mark on it. It has a black leather case and all the original packaging. One careful owner and up-to-date iOS firmware and software. Not using this group to advertise which isn't really its aim. But that said, there's absolutely no harm in alerting people to the availability of Apple equipment on list, then taking the subsequent discussion off list. I was actually queried privately about Dane's original post but I honestly can't see any problem with it. As long as people don't go over the top and start using our resource blatantly as a buy/sell group. If people want a buy/sell group for everything, not just Apple, we'd be happy to establish one. But I'm not sure it would do much good as there are already a lot of resources out there I think. In fact, to be honest, I wouldn't know where to begin with a buy/sell on line. I've never done it before. Anyway I'm drifting off topic so I'll shut up. If we upgrade our iPhone there will be a mint condition 3GS available. Lynne On 17 Nov 2011, at 02:21, Dane Trethowan wrote: Sorry to bother the list but I thought I'd better let you all know that the iPhone 3GS I mentioned I had for sale here has found a home, thanks to those who enquired and I'm sorry I don't have more than 1 . From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Nov 17 08:13:15 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:13:15 +0000 Subject: Anyone played with Reaper? In-Reply-To: <65CDC3C2-07A4-4818-9073-7BEA11C54984@internode.on.net> References: <57D81844-DBCB-4E1E-8CD2-E8D9742FA39E@googlemail.com> <65CDC3C2-07A4-4818-9073-7BEA11C54984@internode.on.net> Message-ID: We've had a license for this for quite some time. My brother Steve uses it all the time; his daughter is a musician and they work together on the production of her material. Lynne On 17 Nov 2011, at 06:53, Dane Trethowan wrote: Ah no, far more advanced than Amadeus Pro though it can perform all the functions that Amadeus Pro can, you can find a demo at Note that 2 versions are available for OSX Lion, the 32 and 64 bit versions, which one you use will depend on what plugins you want to use with the software but both will produce the same quality files and recordings. From a.beech at bigpond.net.au Thu Nov 17 08:52:07 2011 From: a.beech at bigpond.net.au (Adrian Beech) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:52:07 +1000 Subject: Apples schedule for regionalising Seri? Message-ID: <002101cca506$2f890f00$8e9b2d00$@bigpond.net.au> G'day all, Well I've bitten that 4s bullet and got one of the new wee beasties. One thing I'd have to say is that I like what Seri can do at this point in time and I'm looking forward to seeing how Apple evolves this technology. I'm wondering though has Apple released a schedule which outlines their timeframes for regionalising Seri, i.e. if I'm in Timbuktu I'm given local information relevant to that location? This has more to do with those "where am I now" and "where is the nearest Mac'ers" type questions, etc. >From where I'm sitting Seri makes it easier from an accessibility perspective an Apple should be commended on that aspect alone! Cheers. AB From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Nov 17 09:09:03 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:09:03 +0000 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: <7903A519-81C0-4351-A6E4-CDEA0EC24E8E@mac-access.net> References: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk><000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> <44B04353857B429F82FF718AF549F348@DD952WB1> <473FA7CE-82D8-4770-9B96-61939AE58385@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> <00e201cca4b2$313d80f0$93b882d0$@gmail.com> <7903A519-81C0-4351-A6E4-CDEA0EC24E8E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <77B42C77-BDEA-4E52-9D6D-946D5B6EB791@computing.dcu.ie> I must confess Lynne I'm having similar dilemmas. however I'm in the fortunate position that we have a few hundred spare euro in a research acount, and a student wants to do a final-year project using the 4S so I'll get to play with one before purchasing. Will report back, though it could be a few weeks yet before I have the device. D?nal On 17 Nov 2011, at 07:56, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Bubba; Lynne here this time as Tracy has gone to work. :) > > I'm now looking into this for her. We discussed it last night and we've decided to have a serious look to see what we and, particularly, Gordon who requires VoiceOver and accessibility would gain from the iPhone 4S upgrade. > > What keeps nagging at me is the fact that his 3GS still works perfectly and I'm a little reluctant, as always on these things, to upgrade for the sake of upgrading. I mean, although it's true that I could then permanently hijack the 3GS and use it when I'm out and about, it would really have to be a worthwhile upgrade to be honest. I mean, he'd really have to benefit from the upgrade in significant ways. > > I am quite excited about Siri; reading the documentation blurb it looks to be an interesting tool. I think I'm right in saying that it won't run on the iPhone 3GS? > > Lynne > > On 16 Nov 2011, at 22:50, Bubba wrote: > > Hi, the cutter is not hard to use at all you just drop the simm card in it > and push the two halves together. Now if you get one of them very cheap ones > where you have to use it like a pair of scissors than that might be a > problem. But I sure you can just buy a micro simm and then an adapter on the > net and just use your micro simm in the other phone. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Nov 17 09:25:18 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:25:18 +0000 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: <77B42C77-BDEA-4E52-9D6D-946D5B6EB791@computing.dcu.ie> References: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk><000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> <44B04353857B429F82FF718AF549F348@DD952WB1> <473FA7CE-82D8-4770-9B96-61939AE58385@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> <00e201cca4b2$313d80f0$93b882d0$@gmail.com> <7903A519-81C0-4351-A6E4-CDEA0EC24E8E@mac-access.net> <77B42C77-BDEA-4E52-9D6D-946D5B6EB791@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <9F467691-53B0-4602-ABE1-06642219D619@mac-access.net> Hello Donal As always I, and I am sure the group as a whole, will be most interested in your findings. Any chance of a few of those spare Euros? ;-) Lynne On 17 Nov 2011, at 09:09, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: I must confess Lynne I'm having similar dilemmas. however I'm in the fortunate position that we have a few hundred spare euro in a research acount, and a student wants to do a final-year project using the 4S so I'll get to play with one before purchasing. Will report back, though it could be a few weeks yet before I have the device. D?nal On 17 Nov 2011, at 07:56, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Bubba; Lynne here this time as Tracy has gone to work. :) > > I'm now looking into this for her. We discussed it last night and we've decided to have a serious look to see what we and, particularly, Gordon who requires VoiceOver and accessibility would gain from the iPhone 4S upgrade. > > What keeps nagging at me is the fact that his 3GS still works perfectly and I'm a little reluctant, as always on these things, to upgrade for the sake of upgrading. I mean, although it's true that I could then permanently hijack the 3GS and use it when I'm out and about, it would really have to be a worthwhile upgrade to be honest. I mean, he'd really have to benefit from the upgrade in significant ways. > > I am quite excited about Siri; reading the documentation blurb it looks to be an interesting tool. I think I'm right in saying that it won't run on the iPhone 3GS? > > Lynne > > On 16 Nov 2011, at 22:50, Bubba wrote: > > Hi, the cutter is not hard to use at all you just drop the simm card in it > and push the two halves together. Now if you get one of them very cheap ones > where you have to use it like a pair of scissors than that might be a > problem. But I sure you can just buy a micro simm and then an adapter on the > net and just use your micro simm in the other phone. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Nov 17 09:26:32 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:26:32 +0000 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: <9F467691-53B0-4602-ABE1-06642219D619@mac-access.net> References: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk><000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> <44B04353857B429F82FF718AF549F348@DD952WB1> <473FA7CE-82D8-4770-9B96-61939AE58385@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> <00e201cca4b2$313d80f0$93b882d0$@gmail.com> <7903A519-81C0-4351-A6E4-CDEA0EC24E8E@mac-access.net> <77B42C77-BDEA-4E52-9D6D-946D5B6EB791@computing.dcu.ie> <9F467691-53B0-4602-ABE1-06642219D619@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <10C8CE0A-ADC4-4B02-AA1B-042549000313@computing.dcu.ie> lynne, We're spending them while we can, as the Euro will be worthless in a while anyway! D?nal On 17 Nov 2011, at 09:25, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Donal > > As always I, and I am sure the group as a whole, will be most interested in your findings. > > Any chance of a few of those spare Euros? ;-) > > Lynne > > On 17 Nov 2011, at 09:09, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I must confess Lynne I'm having similar dilemmas. however I'm in the fortunate position that we have a few hundred spare euro in a research acount, and a student wants to do a final-year project using the 4S so I'll get to play with one before purchasing. Will report back, though it could be a few weeks yet before I have the device. > > D?nal > On 17 Nov 2011, at 07:56, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Bubba; Lynne here this time as Tracy has gone to work. :) >> >> I'm now looking into this for her. We discussed it last night and we've decided to have a serious look to see what we and, particularly, Gordon who requires VoiceOver and accessibility would gain from the iPhone 4S upgrade. >> >> What keeps nagging at me is the fact that his 3GS still works perfectly and I'm a little reluctant, as always on these things, to upgrade for the sake of upgrading. I mean, although it's true that I could then permanently hijack the 3GS and use it when I'm out and about, it would really have to be a worthwhile upgrade to be honest. I mean, he'd really have to benefit from the upgrade in significant ways. >> >> I am quite excited about Siri; reading the documentation blurb it looks to be an interesting tool. I think I'm right in saying that it won't run on the iPhone 3GS? >> >> Lynne >> >> On 16 Nov 2011, at 22:50, Bubba wrote: >> >> Hi, the cutter is not hard to use at all you just drop the simm card in it >> and push the two halves together. Now if you get one of them very cheap ones >> where you have to use it like a pair of scissors than that might be a >> problem. But I sure you can just buy a micro simm and then an adapter on the >> net and just use your micro simm in the other phone. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Nov 17 09:27:34 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:27:34 +0000 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: <9F467691-53B0-4602-ABE1-06642219D619@mac-access.net> References: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk><000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> <44B04353857B429F82FF718AF549F348@DD952WB1> <473FA7CE-82D8-4770-9B96-61939AE58385@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> <00e201cca4b2$313d80f0$93b882d0$@gmail.com> <7903A519-81C0-4351-A6E4-CDEA0EC24E8E@mac-access.net> <77B42C77-BDEA-4E52-9D6D-946D5B6EB791@computing.dcu.ie> <9F467691-53B0-4602-ABE1-06642219D619@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <3D4614BF-4C11-4E99-AFE4-34AAFE133B98@computing.dcu.ie> Oops, sorry last message should have gone to Lynne privately. On 17 Nov 2011, at 09:25, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Donal > > As always I, and I am sure the group as a whole, will be most interested in your findings. > > Any chance of a few of those spare Euros? ;-) > > Lynne > > On 17 Nov 2011, at 09:09, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I must confess Lynne I'm having similar dilemmas. however I'm in the fortunate position that we have a few hundred spare euro in a research acount, and a student wants to do a final-year project using the 4S so I'll get to play with one before purchasing. Will report back, though it could be a few weeks yet before I have the device. > > D?nal > On 17 Nov 2011, at 07:56, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Bubba; Lynne here this time as Tracy has gone to work. :) >> >> I'm now looking into this for her. We discussed it last night and we've decided to have a serious look to see what we and, particularly, Gordon who requires VoiceOver and accessibility would gain from the iPhone 4S upgrade. >> >> What keeps nagging at me is the fact that his 3GS still works perfectly and I'm a little reluctant, as always on these things, to upgrade for the sake of upgrading. I mean, although it's true that I could then permanently hijack the 3GS and use it when I'm out and about, it would really have to be a worthwhile upgrade to be honest. I mean, he'd really have to benefit from the upgrade in significant ways. >> >> I am quite excited about Siri; reading the documentation blurb it looks to be an interesting tool. I think I'm right in saying that it won't run on the iPhone 3GS? >> >> Lynne >> >> On 16 Nov 2011, at 22:50, Bubba wrote: >> >> Hi, the cutter is not hard to use at all you just drop the simm card in it >> and push the two halves together. Now if you get one of them very cheap ones >> where you have to use it like a pair of scissors than that might be a >> problem. But I sure you can just buy a micro simm and then an adapter on the >> net and just use your micro simm in the other phone. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Thu Nov 17 09:35:39 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:35:39 +1100 Subject: Apples schedule for regionalising Seri? In-Reply-To: <002101cca506$2f890f00$8e9b2d00$@bigpond.net.au> References: <002101cca506$2f890f00$8e9b2d00$@bigpond.net.au> Message-ID: <97C36760-D5A3-4DBF-910F-307F92F2AD8F@bluebottle.com> it would be cool to have cirri on a i phone 4 smiles i am stuck in my 2 year contract sad smiley so i can't get the 4 s didn't know they were bringing out the four s a few months later but didn't have a screen reader friendly phone at the time so didn't have much of a choice in waiting for the new one at the time the four was the latest any how take care from krystal watson On 17/11/2011, at 7:52 PM, Adrian Beech wrote: > G'day all, > > > > Well I've bitten that 4s bullet and got one of the new wee beasties. One > thing I'd have to say is that I like what Seri can do at this point in time > and I'm looking forward to seeing how Apple evolves this technology. I'm > wondering though has Apple released a schedule which outlines their > timeframes for regionalising Seri, i.e. if I'm in Timbuktu I'm given local > information relevant to that location? This has more to do with those > "where am I now" and "where is the nearest Mac'ers" type questions, etc. > > > > From where I'm sitting Seri makes it easier from an accessibility > perspective an Apple should be commended on that aspect alone! > > > > Cheers. > > AB > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From chris at mysticplace.info Thu Nov 17 09:32:05 2011 From: chris at mysticplace.info (Chris G) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 04:32:05 -0500 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: <7903A519-81C0-4351-A6E4-CDEA0EC24E8E@mac-access.net> References: <00e201cca4b2$313d80f0$93b882d0$@gmail.com> <7903A519-81C0-4351-A6E4-CDEA0EC24E8E@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <20111117043203.1AB7.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Hi, Check out this demonstration of Siri. You are correct, it does not run on anything other then the 4S. http://audioboo.fm/boos/544034-a-comprehensive-audio-demonstration-of-siri.mp3 On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:56:36 +0000 "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" wrote: > Hello Bubba; Lynne here this time as Tracy has gone to work. :) > > I'm now looking into this for her. We discussed it last night and we've decided to have a serious look to see what we and, particularly, Gordon who requires VoiceOver and accessibility would gain from the iPhone 4S upgrade. > > What keeps nagging at me is the fact that his 3GS still works perfectly and I'm a little reluctant, as always on these things, to upgrade for the sake of upgrading. I mean, although it's true that I could then permanently hijack the 3GS and use it when I'm out and about, it would really have to be a worthwhile upgrade to be honest. I mean, he'd really have to benefit from the upgrade in significant ways. > > I am quite excited about Siri; reading the documentation blurb it looks to be an interesting tool. I think I'm right in saying that it won't run on the iPhone 3GS? > > Lynne > > On 16 Nov 2011, at 22:50, Bubba wrote: > > Hi, the cutter is not hard to use at all you just drop the simm card in it > and push the two halves together. Now if you get one of them very cheap ones > where you have to use it like a pair of scissors than that might be a > problem. But I sure you can just buy a micro simm and then an adapter on the > net and just use your micro simm in the other phone. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > - The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. http://www.mysticplace.info Mailing lists: lists.mysticplace.info From chris at mysticplace.info Thu Nov 17 09:33:53 2011 From: chris at mysticplace.info (Chris G) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 04:33:53 -0500 Subject: new mac store requirements In-Reply-To: <27E83716-5C7B-4B5E-AE43-D8D3BA8A6A96@bluebottle.com> References: <-2107391266365022626@unknownmsgid> <27E83716-5C7B-4B5E-AE43-D8D3BA8A6A96@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: <20111117043352.1ABC.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> You will be able to use them, you just won't be able to get them from the app store. On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 17:16:14 +1100 krystal watson wrote: > that is not fair we payed all the money for these apps like transmit and audio hijack pro and now we will not be able to use them in march this is just terrible and its really not fair at all can we have our money back please apple sad smile > On 17/11/2011, at 9:12 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: > > > Hi, > > This is terrible, I wonder what this will mean for apps like Airfoil, > > Amadeus Pro, Audiobook builder, or most importantly, Audiohijack pro? > > I'm quite worried about this sandboxing issue. Any input and > > oppinions on what might happen with these apps especially are > > appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Courtney > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On 16 Nov 2011, at 01:57 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > > > >> Hey everyone, apple will soon be requiring applications to comply with very strict guide lines in order to be in teh app store, personally, I think this is being too restrictive, here are links to 2 different articles describing the changes. I think this will end up hurting apple in the end. > >> http://lacquer.fi/pauli/blog/2011/11/why-the-mac-app-sandbox-makes-me-sad/ > >> http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/11/apple-pushes-back-sandboxing-deadline-as-devs-struggle-with-tradeoffs.ars > >> > >> -- > >> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > >> > >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >> > >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > >> > >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > >> > >> or at the public Mail Archive: > >> . > >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > >> > >> > >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >> > >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > > > or at the public Mail Archive: > > . > > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > - The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. http://www.mysticplace.info Mailing lists: lists.mysticplace.info From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Nov 17 09:36:33 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:36:33 +0000 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: <20111117043203.1AB7.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> References: <00e201cca4b2$313d80f0$93b882d0$@gmail.com> <7903A519-81C0-4351-A6E4-CDEA0EC24E8E@mac-access.net> <20111117043203.1AB7.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Message-ID: I prefer this demo of Siri, more realistic for those of us who don't necessarily speak Her majesty's english: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My40XgYEvLM Warning: May contain language some could consider offensive, I simply can't remember. On 17 Nov 2011, at 09:32, Chris G wrote: > Hi, > > Check out this demonstration of Siri. You are correct, it does not run > on anything other then the 4S. > > http://audioboo.fm/boos/544034-a-comprehensive-audio-demonstration-of-siri.mp3 > > > > > On Thu, 17 Nov 2011 07:56:36 +0000 > "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" wrote: > >> Hello Bubba; Lynne here this time as Tracy has gone to work. :) >> >> I'm now looking into this for her. We discussed it last night and we've decided to have a serious look to see what we and, particularly, Gordon who requires VoiceOver and accessibility would gain from the iPhone 4S upgrade. >> >> What keeps nagging at me is the fact that his 3GS still works perfectly and I'm a little reluctant, as always on these things, to upgrade for the sake of upgrading. I mean, although it's true that I could then permanently hijack the 3GS and use it when I'm out and about, it would really have to be a worthwhile upgrade to be honest. I mean, he'd really have to benefit from the upgrade in significant ways. >> >> I am quite excited about Siri; reading the documentation blurb it looks to be an interesting tool. I think I'm right in saying that it won't run on the iPhone 3GS? >> >> Lynne >> >> On 16 Nov 2011, at 22:50, Bubba wrote: >> >> Hi, the cutter is not hard to use at all you just drop the simm card in it >> and push the two halves together. Now if you get one of them very cheap ones >> where you have to use it like a pair of scissors than that might be a >> problem. But I sure you can just buy a micro simm and then an adapter on the >> net and just use your micro simm in the other phone. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > > - > The home of the Mystic Place blog and podcast. > http://www.mysticplace.info > Mailing lists: lists.mysticplace.info > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Nov 17 10:04:09 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:04:09 +1100 Subject: Anyone played with Reaper? In-Reply-To: References: <57D81844-DBCB-4E1E-8CD2-E8D9742FA39E@googlemail.com> <65CDC3C2-07A4-4818-9073-7BEA11C54984@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <4EC4DC19.1040807@internode.on.net> It would also appear that some people with no vision are using this too! I remember looking at it in January this year I think it was, back then I have to admit the software looked as though it may be accessible but now? Well far more buttons and toolbards, check-boxes and pop-up menu items, more text on the screen, a nice layout and so on so some people have obviously been doing some very hard and noble work . On 17/11/2011 7:13 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > We've had a license for this for quite some time. My brother Steve uses it all the time; his daughter is a musician and they work together on the production of her material. > > Lynne > > On 17 Nov 2011, at 06:53, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > Ah no, far more advanced than Amadeus Pro though it can perform all the functions that Amadeus Pro can, you can find a demo at > > Note that 2 versions are available for OSX Lion, the 32 and 64 bit versions, which one you use will depend on what plugins you want to use with the software but both will produce the same quality files and recordings. > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia skype callto:grtdane12 MSN: grtdane at dane-trethowan.net From bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 11:14:40 2011 From: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com (Maria, Joe and Karly ) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 22:14:40 +1100 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: References: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> <000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> Message-ID: <4EC4ECA0.3010902@gmail.com> HI. if u have ebay have a look for iphone cases. Igot a heap of them in a bundle thing and they weren't that expensive. hth. Maria, Joe& Karly from Australia God created the sun just to say good morning to you. The moon just to say good night. And the cross to say "I love you" twitter bubbygirl skype: bubbygirl1972 msn, face book& email: bubbygirl1972 at gmail.com dj on www.powerradio104.us PROUD MEMBER and support volunteer for TAFN www.tafn.org.uk On 17/11/2011 6:52 AM, Tracy Thompson wrote: > Hello Bubba, this is Tracy. > > Thank you for your perspective on this it is an interesting one. Actually though I am visually abled as Lynne calls it, sighted as a lot of others do. But accessibility and compatibility do come into this because I'd be buying 2 phones for Gordon and myself. I want my own phone to be compatible with their systems and everything they use here is Apple and that includes the servers that power this list and everything else here. > > The Android phones seem to vary a lot but I've been doing some reading and it would seem that most of them don't contain any accessible features out of the box. So I've opted not to go that road because of reasons above. > > It is now just a choice between Symbian (for me) and iPhone for Gordon, or iPhone for both of us. It's looking more likely to be iPhone for us both which would be 16G for me and 64G for Gordon. > > The only thing that annoys me regarding the iPhone is that you don't get any kind of case or other things with it. You have to pay top prices for those as well so it is going to work out expensive. So we'll see how we go. Again thank you for the info regarding the SIM cutter which I didn't know exists. > > Tracy Thompson > > > > On 16 Nov 2011, at 16:52, Bubba wrote: > > This is not a problem with the simm card as you can get a cutter to cut his > card down to fit the new iPhone and also a adapter to make a micro simm fit > in place of a regular simm . As for which phone to get if you are a seeing > person I guess this would be preface as accessibility does not come into > play. I am a big iPhone fan but this is because of the accessibility factor! > If you Google for simm cutter and adapter you will find them just about > everywhere. I think they are about 10 to 25 bucks for a set . So back to > which phone to get if blind or with other handicap I would say the iPhone is > the only way to go when accessibility comes into play as of now. If > Accessibility does not come into play then it is a matter of budget and not > wanting to be locked to apple app approval! If I was going to buy a iPhone > right now I would not even think of buying anything but the 4s! But this is > my JMO! HTH > > > Sign, > Bubba > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Tracy Thompson > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:40 AM > To: Mac OSX& iOS Accessibility > Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? > > Hello group > > I hope you don't mind me posting this here as I'm not blind or visually > impaired. Lynne and Gordon have told me that the list is not only for the > visually impaired so I thought I would post. > > I currently have a Samsung Symbian phone, (so I'm told), and it's dying > rapidly. I've had this phone for about 2 years and it's been dropped several > times. > > Anyway, I am seriously considering moving over to the Apple phone because > I've seen Gordon and Lynne's phone and seen it in use. It's only a 3GS which > brings me to my next question. I'm contemplating buying 1 for myself and > also 1 for Gordon as a Christmas present. But I am told that the iPhone 4S > doesn't use the same SIM card as the 3GS does. I gather it is meant for a > micro-SIM. > > So how difficult would it be to get hold of a new SIM without changing the > phone number on Gordon's 3GS? I know a lot of you are outside of the UK and > things are different. When I worked in Sydney and New York for a while the > environments were very different. But that's another discussion for a > different place. What I nee is an objective view as to whether this would be > a good buy or whether I should just look at something else. Yes I have > looked at a few Android phones and yes some of them look quite attractive. > But as I live with Gordon and lynne I really want compatibility with what > they use so that they can share things with me and visa versa. > > I'm looking at the 64G version of iPhone 4S which costs ?699.00 from the > Apple Store and about ?800 Pounds from other places. Any constructive > comment is very welcome, with thanks. > > Tracy Thompson > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Nov 17 11:43:07 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:43:07 +0000 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: <10C8CE0A-ADC4-4B02-AA1B-042549000313@computing.dcu.ie> References: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk><000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> <44B04353857B429F82FF718AF549F348@DD952WB1> <473FA7CE-82D8-4770-9B96-61939AE58385@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> <00e201cca4b2$313d80f0$93b882d0$@gmail.com> <7903A519-81C0-4351-A6E4-CDEA0EC24E8E@mac-access.net> <77B42C77-BDEA-4E52-9D6D-946D5B6EB791@computing.dcu.ie> <9F467691-53B0-4602-ABE1-06642219D619@mac-access.net> <10C8CE0A-ADC4-4B02-AA1B-042549000313@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <3C88495B-E063-44B8-AFF9-F41E5872EAAD@mac-access.net> Hello Donal I totally understand that, given the state of the Euro economy. Europe is only just starting to feel the pinch and it will get worse before it gets better for all of us even though the UK is outside of the Euro zone. Anyway, let's get back to the iPhone. We will have to decide soon what we're going to do. Christmas is coming fast, along with all of its hassles and inconveniences. Tracy wants to do this for Gordon, but we now have something else unrelated in mind as well so it's a case of which will be most used. To be truthful I think Gordon is happy enough with his 3GS so we might just stick and wait a while but do something else for him for Christmas. Lynne On 17 Nov 2011, at 09:26, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: lynne, We're spending them while we can, as the Euro will be worthless in a while anyway! From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Nov 17 11:44:49 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:44:49 +0000 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: <20111117043203.1AB7.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> References: <00e201cca4b2$313d80f0$93b882d0$@gmail.com> <7903A519-81C0-4351-A6E4-CDEA0EC24E8E@mac-access.net> <20111117043203.1AB7.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Message-ID: Hello Chris Thank you ever so. This is precisely what I needed. Tracy will be thrilled. Lynne On 17 Nov 2011, at 09:32, Chris G wrote: Check out this demonstration of Siri. You are correct, it does not run on anything other then the 4S. http://audioboo.fm/boos/544034-a-comprehensive-audio-demonstration-of-siri.mp3 From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Nov 17 11:53:24 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:53:24 +0000 Subject: Reaper and Accessibility In-Reply-To: <4EC4DC19.1040807@internode.on.net> References: <57D81844-DBCB-4E1E-8CD2-E8D9742FA39E@googlemail.com> <65CDC3C2-07A4-4818-9073-7BEA11C54984@internode.on.net> <4EC4DC19.1040807@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <801F9806-F411-48E2-B255-BF726B95A712@mac-access.net> Hello Dane & everybody I'm actually quite glad you mentioned this because our license has been sitting there for ages and we haven't installed it on the Mac. Steve bought it for us earlier this year because as I said he and his daughter Michelle us a musician. Steve also uses Garageband now and he's moving away from Windows because now he can use his MIDI keyboards with the Mac. So I will look at the Mac version later today and see if I can find out how you do the things that people are reporting problems with. Although I have vision, I plan to try this for accessibility. I'm not sure whether it is possible to export the VoiceOver settings for a specific application as an activity, but if it is I would be more than happy to label the unlabelled buttons and let people have the VoiceOver profile. Lynne On 17 Nov 2011, at 10:04, Dane Trethowan wrote: It would also appear that some people with no vision are using this too! I remember looking at it in January this year I think it was, back then I have to admit the software looked as though it may be accessible but now? Well far more buttons and toolbards, check-boxes and pop-up menu items, more text on the screen, a nice layout and so on so some people have obviously been doing some very hard and noble work . From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Nov 17 11:56:33 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:56:33 +0000 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: <4EC4ECA0.3010902@gmail.com> References: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> <000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> <4EC4ECA0.3010902@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3F75EB8B-DB93-4C94-B89D-4C9405BDFDA6@mac-access.net> Helo Maria I know this is probably going to sound stupid; but eBay frightens me. I've heard so many horror stories about it where people have been the victims of fraudulent activities when buying goods on eBay and it kind of scared me off. I'll have a look, because I think it's the same thing as Paypal more or less for which we have a verified business account. Lynne On 17 Nov 2011, at 11:14, Maria, Joe and Karly wrote: if u have ebay have a look for iphone cases. Igot a heap of them in a bundle thing and they weren't that expensive. hth. From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Nov 17 12:01:58 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 23:01:58 +1100 Subject: Reaper and Accessibility In-Reply-To: <801F9806-F411-48E2-B255-BF726B95A712@mac-access.net> References: <57D81844-DBCB-4E1E-8CD2-E8D9742FA39E@googlemail.com> <65CDC3C2-07A4-4818-9073-7BEA11C54984@internode.on.net> <4EC4DC19.1040807@internode.on.net> <801F9806-F411-48E2-B255-BF726B95A712@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4EC4F7B6.6050305@internode.on.net> I bought a licence quite some time ago, at the time one could buy both a Mac and Windows licence for $80.00, Reaper is one of those packages that seems to be accessible across platforms. On 17/11/2011 10:53 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Dane& everybody > > I'm actually quite glad you mentioned this because our license has been sitting there for ages and we haven't installed it on the Mac. Steve bought it for us earlier this year because as I said he and his daughter Michelle us a musician. Steve also uses Garageband now and he's moving away from Windows because now he can use his MIDI keyboards with the Mac. > > So I will look at the Mac version later today and see if I can find out how you do the things that people are reporting problems with. Although I have vision, I plan to try this for accessibility. I'm not sure whether it is possible to export the VoiceOver settings for a specific application as an activity, but if it is I would be more than happy to label the unlabelled buttons and let people have the VoiceOver profile. > > Lynne > > On 17 Nov 2011, at 10:04, Dane Trethowan wrote: > > It would also appear that some people with no vision are using this too! I remember looking at it in January this year I think it was, back then I have to admit the software looked as though it may be accessible but now? Well far more buttons and toolbards, check-boxes and pop-up menu items, more text on the screen, a nice layout and so on so some people have obviously been doing some very hard and noble work. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Dane Trethowan Sending email from his EEEPC Netbook From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Nov 17 12:32:00 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:32:00 +0000 Subject: Reaper and Accessibility In-Reply-To: <4EC4F7B6.6050305@internode.on.net> References: <57D81844-DBCB-4E1E-8CD2-E8D9742FA39E@googlemail.com> <65CDC3C2-07A4-4818-9073-7BEA11C54984@internode.on.net> <4EC4DC19.1040807@internode.on.net> <801F9806-F411-48E2-B255-BF726B95A712@mac-access.net> <4EC4F7B6.6050305@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hello Dane I wondered about that actually; it looks as though the license covers both platforms and both 32 and 64-bit. So I'll try both platforms in 64-bit mode and see how it goes. Lynne On 17 Nov 2011, at 12:01, Dane Trethowan wrote: I bought a licence quite some time ago, at the time one could buy both a Mac and Windows licence for $80.00, Reaper is one of those packages that seems to be accessible across platforms. From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Nov 17 12:35:42 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:35:42 +0000 Subject: iPhone 4S not going to happen Message-ID: Hello everybody After some discussion we have decided not to go the 4S route just at the moment. Gordon says he's perfectly happy with the 3GS as it does what he wants. Maybe after the new year we might make the move; but for now we'v e decided on something else for Gordon's Christmas present. I'll discuss that on our other list as it isn't directly Apple related other than the fact that it has an iPhone/iPod dock and sync facilities with those devices. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Nov 17 13:22:09 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:22:09 +0000 Subject: Jawbone JamBox Updater for Mac Message-ID: Hello If anybody needs the JawBone JamBox updater for Mac, I will make it available from our site as the website is very awkward for blind people. If you are interested please contact me off list at . Lynne From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 13:31:29 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:31:29 -0500 Subject: IPhone 3GS sold In-Reply-To: <9ADEEF3D-968D-4ACE-80A6-1889EEDF3A48@mac-access.net> References: <9ADEEF3D-968D-4ACE-80A6-1889EEDF3A48@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <000b01cca52d$3b747120$b25d5360$@com> Hi, if upgrading they will buy your iPhone from you depending on where you get your upgrade. I think apple does it Verizon stores and Verizon do it and best buy and Wal-Mart. I know my Verizon store or dealer should I say said when I get ready for my upgrade he would give me 120 bucks on my old iphone3gs 32 gb if I did not know longer want it. JST Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 3:05 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Iphone 3GS sold It's possible we could have one for sale. I'm not usually a wheeler-dealer; but this machine is in perfect condition, not a mark on it. It has a black leather case and all the original packaging. One careful owner and up-to-date iOS firmware and software. Not using this group to advertise which isn't really its aim. But that said, there's absolutely no harm in alerting people to the availability of Apple equipment on list, then taking the subsequent discussion off list. I was actually queried privately about Dane's original post but I honestly can't see any problem with it. As long as people don't go over the top and start using our resource blatantly as a buy/sell group. If people want a buy/sell group for everything, not just Apple, we'd be happy to establish one. But I'm not sure it would do much good as there are already a lot of resources out there I think. In fact, to be honest, I wouldn't know where to begin with a buy/sell on line. I've never done it before. Anyway I'm drifting off topic so I'll shut up. If we upgrade our iPhone there will be a mint condition 3GS available. Lynne On 17 Nov 2011, at 02:21, Dane Trethowan wrote: Sorry to bother the list but I thought I'd better let you all know that the iPhone 3GS I mentioned I had for sale here has found a home, thanks to those who enquired and I'm sorry I don't have more than 1 . <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 13:33:59 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:33:59 -0500 Subject: Apples schedule for regionalising Seri? In-Reply-To: <97C36760-D5A3-4DBF-910F-307F92F2AD8F@bluebottle.com> References: <002101cca506$2f890f00$8e9b2d00$@bigpond.net.au> <97C36760-D5A3-4DBF-910F-307F92F2AD8F@bluebottle.com> Message-ID: <000c01cca52d$908db860$b1a92920$@com> If you only had it for a few months you might qualify for a early upgrade so this might be worth checking into. JST Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of krystal watson Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 4:36 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Apples schedule for regionalising Seri? it would be cool to have cirri on a i phone 4 smiles i am stuck in my 2 year contract sad smiley so i can't get the 4 s didn't know they were bringing out the four s a few months later but didn't have a screen reader friendly phone at the time so didn't have much of a choice in waiting for the new one at the time the four was the latest any how take care from krystal watson On 17/11/2011, at 7:52 PM, Adrian Beech wrote: > G'day all, > > > > Well I've bitten that 4s bullet and got one of the new wee beasties. One > thing I'd have to say is that I like what Seri can do at this point in time > and I'm looking forward to seeing how Apple evolves this technology. I'm > wondering though has Apple released a schedule which outlines their > timeframes for regionalising Seri, i.e. if I'm in Timbuktu I'm given local > information relevant to that location? This has more to do with those > "where am I now" and "where is the nearest Mac'ers" type questions, etc. > > > > From where I'm sitting Seri makes it easier from an accessibility > perspective an Apple should be commended on that aspect alone! > > > > Cheers. > > AB > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From chojiro1990 at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 13:37:49 2011 From: chojiro1990 at gmail.com (Nicolai Svendsen) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:37:49 +0100 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: <9F467691-53B0-4602-ABE1-06642219D619@mac-access.net> References: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk><000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> <44B04353857B429F82FF718AF549F348@DD952WB1> <473FA7CE-82D8-4770-9B96-61939AE58385@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> <00e201cca4b2$313d80f0$93b882d0$@gmail.com> <7903A519-81C0-4351-A6E4-CDEA0EC24E8E@mac-access.net> <77B42C77-BDEA-4E52-9D6D-946D5B6EB791@computing.dcu.ie> <9F467691-53B0-4602-ABE1-06642219D619@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hi! I've already purchased the 4S, but it's taking forever to get here because Apple's shipment schedules are far from up-to-date, as we only have about one retail store here not considering resellers, so I figure it's coming from England again. I think it'll be worthwhile in my case. I text a lot, and at least when I do use VoiceOver, I find it's quite sluggish even when sticking to Compact voices and not just while texting. Even trying out the 4 made a massive difference as I was practically able to type without any particular sluggishness, so I imagine that with the 4S it'll be even faster. While the specs would make that an obvious conclusion, knowing the facts and actually trying it makes for a much more educated opinion when you've tried it. I've often found that if I switch VoiceOver off, tap the Messages app, locate or add another conversation from Contacts and begin typing, it reacts a lot faster to my input. Even so, the device sometimes freezes up if I tap quickly causing the letters to be entered at a ridiculous rate. When the phone unfreezes again, all the letters I tried to type are entered simultaneously. I've also noticed that when receiving a huge amount of text messages, the phone sometimes stutters and promptly crashes. App loading times are also suffering greatly here. Even on the 4 when using premium voices, I didn't find them lagging behind slightly, so that's another thing I can look forward to on the 4S. I'm hoping that some of those crashes or freezes will be taken care of with upgraded hardware specifications, which I'm pretty sure is going to be the case. I didn't find I had anywhere near as many lockups as I did with the 3GS. So, now I'm patiently waiting. I doubt Siri is going to be a lot of use here, though. Dictating isn't going to be a popular choice in Denmark, since it only speaks English, French and German right now and as the rumors go, I heard they might be adding a few more in 2012 Spanish being one of them. Danish wasn't on that list. I understand why that is given that it's a lot more advanced, however, but it still makes the 4S a bit less worth the money. If we consider looking up information, businesses and so-forth, I wasn't really impressed when it came to other countries than the United States. Even in the UK, it seemed to say that it was only able to look up businesses in the United States, and if using US English. Given the services Apple uses to look up information, such as Yelp which only has one language listed and a lot of countries missing except the bigger ones on the map, a lot of people are still being left out of the ability to tap into Siri completely. Wolfram Alpha isn't so limited, as it only revolves around obtaining knowledge. I recall someone telling me a while back that particular Siri features would only be in beta in the US for now, which is odd since Yelp actually supports countries like the United Kingdom and Ireland. I'm hoping this will be expanded in due course, as Siri is practically dependent. I also know that to some people who have the services readily available, this isn't going to be a huge deal for obvious reasons. Regards, Nicolai On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Donal > > As always I, and I am sure the group as a whole, will be most interested in your findings. > > Any chance of a few of those spare Euros? ;-) > > Lynne > > On 17 Nov 2011, at 09:09, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I must confess Lynne I'm having similar dilemmas. however I'm in the fortunate position that we have a few hundred spare euro in a research acount, and a student wants to do a final-year project using the 4S so I'll get to play with one before purchasing. Will report back, though it could be a few weeks yet before I have the device. > > D?nal > On 17 Nov 2011, at 07:56, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Bubba; Lynne here this time as Tracy has gone to work. :) >> >> I'm now looking into this for her. We discussed it last night and we've decided to have a serious look to see what we and, particularly, Gordon who requires VoiceOver and accessibility would gain from the iPhone 4S upgrade. >> >> What keeps nagging at me is the fact that his 3GS still works perfectly and I'm a little reluctant, as always on these things, to upgrade for the sake of upgrading. I mean, although it's true that I could then permanently hijack the 3GS and use it when I'm out and about, it would really have to be a worthwhile upgrade to be honest. I mean, he'd really have to benefit from the upgrade in significant ways. >> >> I am quite excited about Siri; reading the documentation blurb it looks to be an interesting tool. I think I'm right in saying that it won't run on the iPhone 3GS? >> >> Lynne >> >> On 16 Nov 2011, at 22:50, Bubba wrote: >> >> Hi, the cutter is not hard to use at all you just drop the simm card in it >> and push the two halves together. Now if you get one of them very cheap ones >> where you have to use it like a pair of scissors than that might be a >> problem. But I sure you can just buy a micro simm and then an adapter on the >> net and just use your micro simm in the other phone. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From djden at thejazzden.org.uk Thu Nov 17 14:24:47 2011 From: djden at thejazzden.org.uk (Thejazzden) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 14:24:47 +0000 Subject: Apples schedule for regionalising Seri? In-Reply-To: <000c01cca52d$908db860$b1a92920$@com> References: <002101cca506$2f890f00$8e9b2d00$@bigpond.net.au> <97C36760-D5A3-4DBF-910F-307F92F2AD8F@bluebottle.com> <000c01cca52d$908db860$b1a92920$@com> Message-ID: keeping this on topic :) it is supposed to be this month for the Uk business directory but who knows? Dennis Freedman The best aromatherapy in the UK - www.e-nat.co.uk Sent from my iPhone On 17 Nov 2011, at 13:33, "Bubba" wrote: > If you only had it for a few months you might qualify for a early upgrade so > this might be worth checking into. JST > > > Sign, > Bubba > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of krystal watson > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 4:36 AM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Apples schedule for regionalising Seri? > > it would be cool to have cirri on a i phone 4 smiles i am stuck in my 2 year > contract sad smiley so i can't get the 4 s didn't know they were bringing > out the four s a few months later but didn't have a screen reader friendly > phone at the time so didn't have much of a choice in waiting for the new one > at the time the four was the latest any how take care from krystal watson > On 17/11/2011, at 7:52 PM, Adrian Beech wrote: > >> G'day all, >> >> >> >> Well I've bitten that 4s bullet and got one of the new wee beasties. One >> thing I'd have to say is that I like what Seri can do at this point in > time >> and I'm looking forward to seeing how Apple evolves this technology. I'm >> wondering though has Apple released a schedule which outlines their >> timeframes for regionalising Seri, i.e. if I'm in Timbuktu I'm given local >> information relevant to that location? This has more to do with those >> "where am I now" and "where is the nearest Mac'ers" type questions, etc. >> >> >> >> From where I'm sitting Seri makes it easier from an accessibility >> perspective an Apple should be commended on that aspect alone! >> >> >> >> Cheers. >> >> AB >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Nov 17 15:24:22 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:24:22 +0000 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: References: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk><000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> <44B04353857B429F82FF718AF549F348@DD952WB1> <473FA7CE-82D8-4770-9B96-61939AE58385@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> <00e201cca4b2$313d80f0$93b882d0$@gmail.com> <7903A519-81C0-4351-A6E4-CDEA0EC24E8E@mac-access.net> <77B42C77-BDEA-4E52-9D6D-946D5B6EB791@computing.dcu.ie> <9F467691-53B0-4602-ABE1-06642219D619@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <8377B62C-C211-4DD5-A0D1-9FD910C5226B@mac-access.net> Hello Nic This is most enlightening, thank you. I will keep it in mind when we upgrade in the new year. Lynne On 17 Nov 2011, at 13:37, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! I've already purchased the 4S, but it's taking forever to get here because Apple's shipment schedules are far from up-to-date, as we only have about one retail store here not considering resellers, so I figure it's coming from England again. I think it'll be worthwhile in my case. I text a lot, and at least when I do use VoiceOver, I find it's quite sluggish even when sticking to Compact voices and not just while texting. Even trying out the 4 made a massive difference as I was practically able to type without any particular sluggishness, so I imagine that with the 4S it'll be even faster. While the specs would make that an obvious conclusion, knowing the facts and actually trying it makes for a much more educated opinion when you've tried it. I've often found that if I switch VoiceOver off, tap the Messages app, locate or add another conversation from Contacts and begin typing, it reacts a lot faster to my input. Even so, the device sometimes freezes up if I tap quickly causing the letters to be entered at a ridiculous rate. When the phone unfreezes again, all the letters I tried to type are entered simultaneously. I've also noticed that when receiving a huge amount of text messages, the phone sometimes stutters and promptly crashes. App loading times are also suffering greatly here. Even on the 4 when using premium voices, I didn't find them lagging behind slightly, so that's another thing I can look forward to on the 4S. I'm hoping that some of those crashes or freezes will be taken care of with upgraded hardware specifications, which I'm pretty sure is going to be the case. I didn't find I had anywhere near as many lockups as I did with the 3GS. So, now I'm patiently waiting. I doubt Siri is going to be a lot of use here, though. Dictating isn't going to be a popular choice in Denmark, since it only speaks English, French and German right now and as the rumors go, I heard they might be adding a few more in 2012 Spanish being one of them. Danish wasn't on that list. I understand why that is given that it's a lot more advanced, however, but it still makes the 4S a bit less worth the money. If we consider looking up information, businesses and so-forth, I wasn't really impressed when it came to other countries than the United States. Even in the UK, it seemed to say that it was only able to look up businesses in the United States, and if using US English. Given the services Apple uses to look up information, such as Yelp which only has one language listed and a lot of countries missing except the bigger ones on the map, a lot of people are still being left out of the ability to tap into Siri completely. Wolfram Alpha isn't so limited, as it only revolves around obtaining knowledge. I recall someone telling me a while back that particular Siri features would only be in beta in the US for now, which is odd since Yelp actually supports countries like the United Kingdom and Ireland. I'm hoping this will be expanded in due course, as Siri is practically dependent. I also know that to some people who have the services readily available, this isn't going to be a huge deal for obvious reasons. Regards, Nicolai On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Donal > > As always I, and I am sure the group as a whole, will be most interested in your findings. > > Any chance of a few of those spare Euros? ;-) > > Lynne > > On 17 Nov 2011, at 09:09, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I must confess Lynne I'm having similar dilemmas. however I'm in the fortunate position that we have a few hundred spare euro in a research acount, and a student wants to do a final-year project using the 4S so I'll get to play with one before purchasing. Will report back, though it could be a few weeks yet before I have the device. > > D?nal > On 17 Nov 2011, at 07:56, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Bubba; Lynne here this time as Tracy has gone to work. :) >> >> I'm now looking into this for her. We discussed it last night and we've decided to have a serious look to see what we and, particularly, Gordon who requires VoiceOver and accessibility would gain from the iPhone 4S upgrade. >> >> What keeps nagging at me is the fact that his 3GS still works perfectly and I'm a little reluctant, as always on these things, to upgrade for the sake of upgrading. I mean, although it's true that I could then permanently hijack the 3GS and use it when I'm out and about, it would really have to be a worthwhile upgrade to be honest. I mean, he'd really have to benefit from the upgrade in significant ways. >> >> I am quite excited about Siri; reading the documentation blurb it looks to be an interesting tool. I think I'm right in saying that it won't run on the iPhone 3GS? >> >> Lynne >> >> On 16 Nov 2011, at 22:50, Bubba wrote: >> >> Hi, the cutter is not hard to use at all you just drop the simm card in it >> and push the two halves together. Now if you get one of them very cheap ones >> where you have to use it like a pair of scissors than that might be a >> problem. But I sure you can just buy a micro simm and then an adapter on the >> net and just use your micro simm in the other phone. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From mike at busboom.at Thu Nov 17 15:35:29 2011 From: mike at busboom.at (Michael Busboom) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:35:29 +0100 Subject: Data entry on the iPhone 4 with OS5 Message-ID: Hello everyone, I am having some difficulties entering data into my iPhone 4 under OS5. Although I was able to glean a little information from the Vision Australia podcast on Read2go, I am still struggling. Here are my questions: 1. How can a document that is currently being written checked for errors? In other words, must one somehow leave the keyboard app in order to do this? 2. When hitting the Delete button, how does one determine whether the first character of the text has just been deleted or whether the cursor is at the end of the text, and deleting from right to left is occurring? 3. Does anyone know of a podcast where this topic is handled in greater depth? I only started using my iPhone yesterday, and I really can't complain too much. I only encountered the keyboard entry problem when I unsuccessfully tried to sign in to a website. :) Many, many thanks in advance, Mike From grtdane at internode.on.net Thu Nov 17 15:41:41 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 02:41:41 +1100 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: <8377B62C-C211-4DD5-A0D1-9FD910C5226B@mac-access.net> References: <8E822C54-9742-4732-AF8D-0953B1E9D89E@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk><000101cca480$329de700$97d9b500$@com> <44B04353857B429F82FF718AF549F348@DD952WB1> <473FA7CE-82D8-4770-9B96-61939AE58385@the-wacky-workshop.co.uk> <00e201cca4b2$313d80f0$93b882d0$@gmail.com> <7903A519-81C0-4351-A6E4-CDEA0EC24E8E@mac-access.net> <77B42C77-BDEA-4E52-9D6D-946D5B6EB791@computing.dcu.ie> <9F467691-53B0-4602-ABE1-06642219D619@mac-access.net> <8377B62C-C211-4DD5-A0D1-9FD910C5226B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <4EC52B35.5000507@internode.on.net> There's a very informative review on the iPhone 4S at which goes through some very important reasons as to why someone with an iPhone 3GS or 4 may wish to upgrade to an iPhone, the main one being speed. Excellent examples are also given of the Siri voice assistive system. On 18/11/2011 2:24 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Nic > > This is most enlightening, thank you. I will keep it in mind when we upgrade in the new year. > > Lynne > > On 17 Nov 2011, at 13:37, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > > Hi! > > I've already purchased the 4S, but it's taking forever to get here because Apple's shipment schedules are far from up-to-date, as we only have about one retail store here not considering resellers, so I figure it's coming from England again. > > I think it'll be worthwhile in my case. I text a lot, and at least when I do use VoiceOver, I find it's quite sluggish even when sticking to Compact voices and not just while texting. Even trying out the 4 made a massive difference as I was practically able to type without any particular sluggishness, so I imagine that with the 4S it'll be even faster. While the specs would make that an obvious conclusion, knowing the facts and actually trying it makes for a much more educated opinion when you've tried it. I've often found that if I switch VoiceOver off, tap the Messages app, locate or add another conversation from Contacts and begin typing, it reacts a lot faster to my input. Even so, the device sometimes freezes up if I tap quickly causing the letters to be entered at a ridiculous rate. When the phone unfreezes again, all the letters I tried to type are entered simultaneously. I've also noticed that when receiving a huge amount of text messages, the phone sometimes stutters and promptly crashes. App loading times are also suffering greatly here. > > Even on the 4 when using premium voices, I didn't find them lagging behind slightly, so that's another thing I can look forward to on the 4S. I'm hoping that some of those crashes or freezes will be taken care of with upgraded hardware specifications, which I'm pretty sure is going to be the case. I didn't find I had anywhere near as many lockups as I did with the 3GS. > > So, now I'm patiently waiting. I doubt Siri is going to be a lot of use here, though. Dictating isn't going to be a popular choice in Denmark, since it only speaks English, French and German right now and as the rumors go, I heard they might be adding a few more in 2012 Spanish being one of them. Danish wasn't on that list. I understand why that is given that it's a lot more advanced, however, but it still makes the 4S a bit less worth the money. > > If we consider looking up information, businesses and so-forth, I wasn't really impressed when it came to other countries than the United States. Even in the UK, it seemed to say that it was only able to look up businesses in the United States, and if using US English. Given the services Apple uses to look up information, such as Yelp which only has one language listed and a lot of countries missing except the bigger ones on the map, a lot of people are still being left out of the ability to tap into Siri completely. Wolfram Alpha isn't so limited, as it only revolves around obtaining knowledge. I recall someone telling me a while back that particular Siri features would only be in beta in the US for now, which is odd since Yelp actually supports countries like the United Kingdom and Ireland. > > I'm hoping this will be expanded in due course, as Siri is practically dependent. I also know that to some people who have the services readily available, this isn't going to be a huge deal for obvious reasons. > > Regards, > Nicolai > On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Donal >> >> As always I, and I am sure the group as a whole, will be most interested in your findings. >> >> Any chance of a few of those spare Euros? ;-) >> >> Lynne >> >> On 17 Nov 2011, at 09:09, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> >> I must confess Lynne I'm having similar dilemmas. however I'm in the fortunate position that we have a few hundred spare euro in a research acount, and a student wants to do a final-year project using the 4S so I'll get to play with one before purchasing. Will report back, though it could be a few weeks yet before I have the device. >> >> D?nal >> On 17 Nov 2011, at 07:56, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: >> >>> Hello Bubba; Lynne here this time as Tracy has gone to work. :) >>> >>> I'm now looking into this for her. We discussed it last night and we've decided to have a serious look to see what we and, particularly, Gordon who requires VoiceOver and accessibility would gain from the iPhone 4S upgrade. >>> >>> What keeps nagging at me is the fact that his 3GS still works perfectly and I'm a little reluctant, as always on these things, to upgrade for the sake of upgrading. I mean, although it's true that I could then permanently hijack the 3GS and use it when I'm out and about, it would really have to be a worthwhile upgrade to be honest. I mean, he'd really have to benefit from the upgrade in significant ways. >>> >>> I am quite excited about Siri; reading the documentation blurb it looks to be an interesting tool. I think I'm right in saying that it won't run on the iPhone 3GS? >>> >>> Lynne >>> >>> On 16 Nov 2011, at 22:50, Bubba wrote: >>> >>> Hi, the cutter is not hard to use at all you just drop the simm card in it >>> and push the two halves together. Now if you get one of them very cheap ones >>> where you have to use it like a pair of scissors than that might be a >>> problem. But I sure you can just buy a micro simm and then an adapter on the >>> net and just use your micro simm in the other phone. >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > -- Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia skype callto:grtdane12 MSN: grtdane at dane-trethowan.net From rawoolgrove at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 16:03:44 2011 From: rawoolgrove at gmail.com (Roger Woolgrove) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 16:03:44 -0000 Subject: Installing .tar file on mac book Message-ID: <4A139C5CE99E4200B1D701638B817963@SamsungNC10> Hi all, I have a mac installer I've downloaded and seem unable to do anything with it. VO space creates a bunch of other installer.tar files numbered 1 through 8. VO space on these in turn seems to do nothing. Opening the doc reveals installer 2 through 8 so selecting them in turn offers me the chance to open them each. After this, if the software is installed, I seem unable to access it. Any idea how I would get it working or remove it completely? Many thanks Roger From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 17:52:48 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:52:48 -0800 Subject: Data entry on the iPhone 4 with OS5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <118AD4F7-84A2-49B2-834D-6E32A0879520@gmail.com> > To answer your delete question you need to imagine the mac curser. You hear the letter when you flick down after you switch to chars via the router. Now you hear the letter you want to get rid of and you can swipe back up to the letter as it will repeat. Now you know you are on the letter. it's hard to explain but as a friend of mine says windows explains what it just walked over. mac and in this case ios explains what it is about to walk over. Take care Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Nov 17, 2011, at 7:35 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I am having some difficulties entering data into my iPhone 4 under OS5. Although I was able to glean a little information from the Vision Australia podcast on Read2go, I am still struggling. Here are my questions: > > 1. How can a document that is currently being written checked for errors? In other words, must one somehow leave the keyboard app in order to do this? > > 2. When hitting the Delete button, how does one determine whether the first character of the text has just been deleted or whether the cursor is at the end of the text, and deleting from right to left is occurring? > > 3. Does anyone know of a podcast where this topic is handled in greater depth? I only started using my iPhone yesterday, and I really can't complain too much. I only encountered the keyboard entry problem when I unsuccessfully tried to sign in to a website. :) > > Many, many thanks in advance, > > Mike > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From support at mac-access.net Thu Nov 17 18:23:40 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon, Lynne & Tracy) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:23:40 +0000 Subject: New Assistant List Controller Appointed Message-ID: <3E346BAE-6CD8-4132-B797-D4AD80433B4A@mac-access.net> Hello everybody As you may be aware, James Austin resigned his post as an assistant list controller for Mac Access Dot Net earlier this week. Subsequently, I have spoken with a number of people who were kind enough to offer their services; and I would like to publicly thank them all. I won't name them, but they know who they are. We are grateful to each and every one of you. Ultimately, we have reached the decision to appoint somebody who I am sure will do an excellent job when we are absent. I must stress that the assistant list controllers only have responsibility in our prolonged absence. We do not wish to impose upon anybody and we will continue to shoulder the burden, so to speak, whilst we are able. Although it must be said that this group is primarily very easy to handle as you are all exhibiting very mature and responsible behaviour. I'd like to thank you all for that, it makes running the group more pleasant and worthwhile. Anyway, all that having been got out of the way, I will now introduce our new assistant controller. As you are doubtless aware, Anne Robertson has been helping us for a very long time; and I'm pleased to say that Anne is still on board the project. She's very capable and helpful. It gives me great pleasure to announce that Anne is now to be joined by Donal Fitzpatrick, who has kindly agreed to step up to the plate. Donal is, as you may know, a very well qualified individual and we are extremely fortunate to have him with us now. Donal now has a dedicated email address which he will be using to handle the duties he has accepted for Mac Access. Donal may be contacted at: if you require assistance when we are away. I stress though that, most of the time, we will be able to help you ourselves, particularly since we now have Tracy Thompson helping us when necessary. So if you have queries regarding anything to do with our services, the support address, is the first port of call. Welcome aboard Donal. I look forward to liaising with and working with you. Lynne From khwicca at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 18:24:56 2011 From: khwicca at gmail.com (Kristeen Hughes) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 13:24:56 -0500 Subject: Readhere Pro In-Reply-To: <9241BCD2-A599-4436-8E19-CC5CA5C935FC@mac-access.net> References: <2FA84372-7337-427C-BF60-4665383C3C73@gmail.com> <9241BCD2-A599-4436-8E19-CC5CA5C935FC@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <76B3D8E5-2467-437B-8849-070DDFD7ECD0@gmail.com> Does anyone else think this is incredibly expensive? I am wondering if there is a cheaper or free option? Thanks. On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:05 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Kristine > > We are way out of date on email but just in case you haven't got it yet: > > > Lynne > > On 5 Nov 2011, at 21:33, Kristeen Hughes wrote: > > Can someone give me the web address for Readhere Pro? I want to buy it and I can't seem to find it. > > Thanks. > > Kristeen Hughes > khwicca at gmail.com > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > Kristeen Hughes khwicca at gmail.com From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 18:36:35 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:36:35 -0800 Subject: Readhere Pro In-Reply-To: <76B3D8E5-2467-437B-8849-070DDFD7ECD0@gmail.com> References: <2FA84372-7337-427C-BF60-4665383C3C73@gmail.com> <9241BCD2-A599-4436-8E19-CC5CA5C935FC@mac-access.net> <76B3D8E5-2467-437B-8849-070DDFD7ECD0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1617BD77-83AC-4A0B-8657-C15EF5C025B3@gmail.com> I wish there were a cheaper option but I don't think there is. If so can someone let me now. is this the book share app btw for ios or am I thinkign of another app lol! On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:24 AM, Kristeen Hughes wrote: > Does anyone else think this is incredibly expensive? I am wondering if there is a cheaper or free option? > > Thanks. > > > On Nov 8, 2011, at 4:05 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Kristine >> >> We are way out of date on email but just in case you haven't got it yet: >> >> >> Lynne >> >> On 5 Nov 2011, at 21:33, Kristeen Hughes wrote: >> >> Can someone give me the web address for Readhere Pro? I want to buy it and I can't seem to find it. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Kristeen Hughes >> khwicca at gmail.com >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > Kristeen Hughes > khwicca at gmail.com > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From turningbytouch at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 19:01:56 2011 From: turningbytouch at gmail.com (Mr. L. Alexander) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:01:56 +0000 Subject: Outspoken 9.2 help please Message-ID: <6F177CF1-39BD-40AC-83C8-BCA65F6AC0C1@gmail.com> Hi all. I hope someone here on this list might be able to help. I'm a mac technician with a background in older macs as well as current systems and undertake repairs on machines as well as mac recycling. I use voiceover all the time for the machines which support OS X 10.4 and above but there are machines I take on and can only do certain work on without sighted assistance. when it comes to the OS, etc then it's time for a friend to do the work. I was an outspoken user many years back. sadly I don't have the software anymore and it's a bit of a pain. anyhow, I hope no one here minds me posting this request. does anybody here have an old CD of outSPOKEN 9.2 for OS9 and / or any earlier versions which they could possibly help me with, so that I can get into OS 9 and earlier to do necessary work, etc and use OS9 on a machine I love very much and wish to keep. perhaps it's the relic in me which wants me to keep the old girl in my home. I never like to throw a system away. if anyone can help, please drop me an email. cheers. lew From lynne at mac-access.net Thu Nov 17 19:29:37 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:29:37 +0000 Subject: Readhere In-Reply-To: <76B3D8E5-2467-437B-8849-070DDFD7ECD0@gmail.com> References: <2FA84372-7337-427C-BF60-4665383C3C73@gmail.com> <9241BCD2-A599-4436-8E19-CC5CA5C935FC@mac-access.net> <76B3D8E5-2467-437B-8849-070DDFD7ECD0@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Christine yes, it's expensive. The only other one I know of is Olearia which is free but less features. For instance it doesn't have the library functions and I am not sure if you can even bookmark your places. So I guess it's just a matter of user choice. We bought ReadHear and do not regret it. It's a shock when you buy it but afterwards you appreciate it. Lynne On 17 Nov 2011, at 18:24, Kristeen Hughes wrote: Does anyone else think this is incredibly expensive? I am wondering if there is a cheaper or free option? From turningbytouch at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 19:32:05 2011 From: turningbytouch at gmail.com (Mr. L. Alexander) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:32:05 +0000 Subject: outspoken 9.2 help request. Message-ID: <048EDEF9-AF6C-4471-8A11-A071D6E9833E@gmail.com> Hi all. I hope someone here on this list might be able to help. I'm a mac technician with a background in older macs as well as current systems and undertake repairs on machines as well as mac recycling. I use voiceover all the time for the machines which support OS X 10.4 and above but there are machines I take on and can only do certain work on without sighted assistance. when it comes to the OS, etc then it's time for a friend to do the work. I was an outspoken user many years back. sadly I don't have the software anymore and it's a bit of a pain. anyhow, I hope no one here minds me posting this request. does anybody here have an old CD of outSPOKEN 9.2 for OS9 and / or any earlier versions which they could possibly help me with, so that I can get into OS 9 and earlier to do necessary work, etc and use OS9 on a machine I love very much and wish to keep. perhaps it's the relic in me which wants me to keep the old girl in my home. I never like to throw a system away. if anyone can help, please drop me an email. cheers. lew From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 19:43:14 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:43:14 -0800 Subject: Readhere In-Reply-To: References: <2FA84372-7337-427C-BF60-4665383C3C73@gmail.com> <9241BCD2-A599-4436-8E19-CC5CA5C935FC@mac-access.net> <76B3D8E5-2467-437B-8849-070DDFD7ECD0@gmail.com> Message-ID: Oh that answers my question. I think I'll try the other app you mentioned as I don't realy need to bookmark my place that often. lol! Take care. On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:29 AM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Christine > > yes, it's expensive. The only other one I know of is Olearia which is free but less features. > > For instance it doesn't have the library functions and I am not sure if you can even bookmark your places. So I guess it's just a matter of user choice. > > We bought ReadHear and do not regret it. It's a shock when you buy it but afterwards you appreciate it. > > Lynne > > On 17 Nov 2011, at 18:24, Kristeen Hughes wrote: > > Does anyone else think this is incredibly expensive? I am wondering if there is a cheaper or free option? > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Thu Nov 17 19:51:18 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:51:18 -1000 Subject: Data entry on the iPhone 4 with OS5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3F54F9BE-C674-4ADF-8B82-63146B9931B6@mac.com> Hi Mike, Sarah's explanation of the behavior of the insertion point position describes how to tell where you are positioned in a text entry, and also which characters will be removed when you press the delete key, but I'll try to answer your specific questions by interleaving replies. You might want to check the earlier podcasts at the Vision Australia web site (for the iPhone 3GS, for example), because the concepts of keyboard entry arise very early, and they probably didn't redo podcasts to have separate episodes for the iPod Touch, iPhone 4, etc. Other than this, while there probably are podcasts that demonstrate this, I can't quickly think of one. (Of course, Mike Arrigo's podcasts tend to cover everything, so you could start there *smile*.) One podcast demonstration that might help you out is Kevin Chao's podcast on "Text selection. Copying and pasting" at: feed://kevinchao.podbean.com/feed/ It's actually more complicated than what you're asking about, but the second half of the podcast describes using the web rotor to move your insertion point by characters and words, and what VoiceOver announces. Michael Busboom wrote: > MB: 1. How can a document that is currently being written checked for errors? In other words, must one somehow leave the keyboard app in order to do this? Esther: If you are typing with the virtual keyboard in the bottom half of the screen, you can leave the keyboard up, but move your hand to the top half of the screen and set the rotor to either "characters" or "words". Do this by placing thumb and forefinger on the screen, with a slight separation, and twisting clockwise (or counter clockwise), as though you were turning a dial. Some people find it easier to use their index finger and middle finger, and twist these to make the turning gesture. > MB 2. When hitting the Delete button, how does one determine whether the first character of the text has just been deleted or whether the cursor is at the end of the text, and deleting from right to left is occurring? When you're in a text field and double tap, you'll hear VoiceOver alternately say "insertion point at start" or "insertion point at end". The way to check your insertion point in the middle of a document is to set the rotor to either "characters" or "words" and then to flick down (to move forward) or flick up (to move backwards). VoiceOver will announce the character or word that you just moved over. Let's take an example. You're in the Notes app and just typed "Hello world", and want to review your entry. Currently you're at the bottom of the document. You double tap and hear VoiceOver say "insertion point at start", so the insertion point has just been moved before the H in "Hello". If my rotor is set to "characters", then each flick down moves the insertion point one character to the right. VoiceOver announces each character as you move the insertion point over it, so the direction that you move counts! If I'm at the start of the phrase, I won't be able to flick up to move to the left of the H in "Hello". If I flick down to move by one character to the right, I hear "H" as the insertion point moves from before the "H" to a position between the "H" and the "e". If I flick down again, I hear "e" as the insertion point moves over the "e" to a position between the "e" and the first "l" in "Hello". But, had I instead flicked up to move by one character to the left, I would have moved back over the "H" to my starting point, and VoiceOver would have announced "H" as I moved over this letter from the other direction. If I keep flicking down in an editable field, with my rotor set to character, I hear all the letters announced as the insertion point moves over the letters from left to right: H, e, l, l, o, space, w, o, r, l, and d. Now, suppose I wanted to edit and change "world" to "word". After I flicked down and moved past the "l" of "world" and hear it announced, my insertion point is between the "l" that I just heard VoiceOver announce, and the final letter "d". Double tapping the "delete" key deletes the letter to the left of the insertion point. If I double tap the "delete" key to the right of the "m" key and just above the "return" key in the bottom right corner of the virtual keyboard, I'll delete the "l", and VoiceOver will announce the new word, "word" (instead of "world"). My insertion point is still before the final letter ("d") in the phrase. I can flick down to move my insertion point to the end of the text. The same process works to edit phrases by word. If my insertion point is at the start of the phrase, and I've set my rotor to "word" instead of "character", then flicking down moves my insertion point one word to the right. I hear VoiceOver say "Hello". The insertion point is just after the final "o" in "Hello". Pressing the delete key would have VoiceOver announce the deleted letter ("o"). If I now flick up to move left by one word, VoiceOver announces "Hell", and the insertion point is placed to the left of the word (at the beginning of the phrase, before the "H"). If I want to edit "world", and assuming it were near the end of a sentence (instead of being the second word) I could flick down to move through the sentence by words. Then, when I was just before "world", I could change the rotor from "word" to "character" and flick down to hear the individual characters announced, and make my correction. Or, more likely, I would flick down and hear "world" announced, and decide that I wanted to edit that word. So I would change my rotor to "character" instead of "word", and start flicking up to move to the left. My insertion point is always placed before or after the character (or word) I have just navigated past. Since I navigated to the right (flicked down) by word, it is after the final letter "d" in "world" -- the word I just heard VoiceOver announce. If I flicked up (to navigate to the left) before switching the rotor to "characters", the insertion point would be placed at the end of the previous word (e.g., it would be all set to announce the "Hello" with the next flick up). > MB: 3. Does anyone know of a podcast where this topic is handled in greater depth? I only started using my iPhone yesterday, and I really can't complain too much. I only encountered the keyboard entry problem when I unsuccessfully tried to sign in to a website. :) Esther: There probably is a podcast that covers this, but I can't think of one offhand. You might have an easier time reviewing entries with a paired Bluetooth keyboard. I'm going to paste in the question and response I gave to a much earlier list post by Matthew Chao last year. He wrote: > Finally, I have an Apple Bluetooth keyboard. Is there any way I can get VO to just say words while on the keyboard, not repeating characters, while on the phone itself, repeat characters and words? Esther: The issue you have stems from the fact that VoiceOver is announcing both your context location and your specific items when you navigate through text with a keyboard. If you only want specific words spoken, hold down the Shift key to select entries as you navigate -- then only the items that you select with the keyboard will be spoken. If you press Shift+Option+Right Arrow, for example, you will move your insertion point to the right by one word (Option+Right Arrow), and also select it (since the Shift key was pressed). VoiceOver will announce that word. If you keep holding down the Shift and Option keys while tapping the Right arrow key, you'll hear VoiceOver announce those words, too. If you hold down the Shift key and just tap the Right arrow key, you'll be selecting characters, and VoiceOver will announce the character. You can select from present point to end of line (Shift+Command+Right arrow) or to the beginning of a line (Shift+Command+Left arrow). You can also move (and select) by lines by using your Up and Down arrow keys. To get out of selection mode, just move your cursor (e.g. press right or left arrow) without holding down the shift key. The keyboard shortcuts were posted to this list earlier, and can be found in the archives. HTH. Cheers, Esther From moriond at mac.com Thu Nov 17 20:12:48 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 10:12:48 -1000 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: References: <00e201cca4b2$313d80f0$93b882d0$@gmail.com> <7903A519-81C0-4351-A6E4-CDEA0EC24E8E@mac-access.net> <20111117043203.1AB7.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> Message-ID: <4E413F1E-D178-41CC-A6F9-C15437889FE1@mac.com> Hello D?nal, There are a few additional features of the iPhone 4S that might make it more worthwhile for you, though these reasons are not as applicable for Lynne and Gordon. The iPhone 4S supports device mirroring through the dock connector outputs to either VGA or HDMI output. This means that if you're doing presentations of how apps work for your classes, most of the apps can be projected. This is also going to be true if you're doing demos of iOS apps in connection with presentations at meetings. The iPhone 3GS doesn't have this capability because the dock connection was redesigned to support digital audio out with the iPad 1. That's why the older Blue Mikey recorders that work with the iPhone 3GS don't work with later models such as the iPads, the iPhone 4 and 4S, and the 4th generation iPod Touch. The iPad 2 was the first iOS device to support device mirroring of screen output. That means that one of the differences between the first and second generation iPad is that, while both iPads can be hooked up to a projector and used to show YouTube videos, Keynote presentations, and Camera roll slideshows, in general only apps that are specifically written to support device mirroring can be projected from the iPad 1, while the default for the iPad 2 is that all apps will support device mirroring unless they are specifically written to block this function. As an instructor, if you display apps on an iPad 2 or iPhone 4S, most of these will be shown. Even more interesting, since Airplay support of these apps uses a similar implementation, even without a dock connection, you can use Airplay to direct these same outputs to other Airplay devices (e.g. another computer), and if these apps would be mirrored through a dock connection, then they'll be redirected through Airplay. I haven't had a chance to play with instances under iOS 5 where Apple separated out VoiceOver and other audio through Airplay redirection, but this could potentially be very neat for giving general presentations and demonstrations that are not limited to Keynote, etc. You can read more about this in the recent TUAW article, "Six iPhone 4S features you may have missed": http://www.tuaw.com/2011/11/15/six-iphone-4s-features-you-may-have-missed/ And yes, there is a problem with Siri understanding Scottish accents. I mentioned to James off list that I accompanied someone who picked up a new iPhone 4S. Despite several years in the U.S., he hasn't lost his Edinburgh accent, so is spending time working with Siri. (This means that I haven't had much opportunity to "borrow" his iPhone 4S for testing purposes.) Cheers, Esther On Nov 16, 2011, at 23:36, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > I prefer this demo of Siri, more realistic for those of us who don't necessarily speak Her majesty's english: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My40XgYEvLM > > Warning: May contain language some could consider offensive, I simply can't remember. > On 17 Nov 2011, at 09:32, Chris G wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Check out this demonstration of Siri. You are correct, it does not run >> on anything other then the 4S. >> >> http://audioboo.fm/boos/544034-a-comprehensive-audio-demonstration-of-siri.mp3 >> >> >> From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Thu Nov 17 20:28:19 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:28:19 +0000 Subject: iPhone 4S; is it really worthwhile? In-Reply-To: <4E413F1E-D178-41CC-A6F9-C15437889FE1@mac.com> References: <00e201cca4b2$313d80f0$93b882d0$@gmail.com> <7903A519-81C0-4351-A6E4-CDEA0EC24E8E@mac-access.net> <20111117043203.1AB7.AD9F0EF3@mysticplace.info> <4E413F1E-D178-41CC-A6F9-C15437889FE1@mac.com> Message-ID: <0D63D50A-347A-4E2B-9FAA-31A196DE47D9@computing.dcu.ie> Well now Esther, I'll have to play with, I mean investigate that feature in a systematic and thorough manner which, of course, would necessitate me taking the device home from work for a while? Thanks very much. On 17 Nov 2011, at 20:12, Esther wrote: > Hello D?nal, > > There are a few additional features of the iPhone 4S that might make it more worthwhile for you, though these reasons are not as applicable for Lynne and Gordon. The iPhone 4S supports device mirroring through the dock connector outputs to either VGA or HDMI output. This means that if you're doing presentations of how apps work for your classes, most of the apps can be projected. This is also going to be true if you're doing demos of iOS apps in connection with presentations at meetings. The iPhone 3GS doesn't have this capability because the dock connection was redesigned to support digital audio out with the iPad 1. That's why the older Blue Mikey recorders that work with the iPhone 3GS don't work with later models such as the iPads, the iPhone 4 and 4S, and the 4th generation iPod Touch. > > The iPad 2 was the first iOS device to support device mirroring of screen output. That means that one of the differences between the first and second generation iPad is that, while both iPads can be hooked up to a projector and used to show YouTube videos, Keynote presentations, and Camera roll slideshows, in general only apps that are specifically written to support device mirroring can be projected from the iPad 1, while the default for the iPad 2 is that all apps will support device mirroring unless they are specifically written to block this function. As an instructor, if you display apps on an iPad 2 or iPhone 4S, most of these will be shown. Even more interesting, since Airplay support of these apps uses a similar implementation, even without a dock connection, you can use Airplay to direct these same outputs to other Airplay devices (e.g. another computer), and if these apps would be mirrored through a dock connection, then they'll be redirected through Airplay. I haven't had a chance to play with instances under iOS 5 where Apple separated out VoiceOver and other audio through Airplay redirection, but this could potentially be very neat for giving general presentations and demonstrations that are not limited to Keynote, etc. > > You can read more about this in the recent TUAW article, "Six iPhone 4S features you may have missed": > http://www.tuaw.com/2011/11/15/six-iphone-4s-features-you-may-have-missed/ > > And yes, there is a problem with Siri understanding Scottish accents. I mentioned to James off list that I accompanied someone who picked up a new iPhone 4S. Despite several years in the U.S., he hasn't lost his Edinburgh accent, so is spending time working with Siri. (This means that I haven't had much opportunity to "borrow" his iPhone 4S for testing purposes.) > > Cheers, > > Esther > > On Nov 16, 2011, at 23:36, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> I prefer this demo of Siri, more realistic for those of us who don't necessarily speak Her majesty's english: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=My40XgYEvLM >> >> Warning: May contain language some could consider offensive, I simply can't remember. >> On 17 Nov 2011, at 09:32, Chris G wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> Check out this demonstration of Siri. You are correct, it does not run >>> on anything other then the 4S. >>> >>> http://audioboo.fm/boos/544034-a-comprehensive-audio-demonstration-of-siri.mp3 >>> >>> >>> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 20:31:59 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 12:31:59 -0800 Subject: Data entry on the iPhone 4 with OS5 In-Reply-To: <3F54F9BE-C674-4ADF-8B82-63146B9931B6@mac.com> References: <3F54F9BE-C674-4ADF-8B82-63146B9931B6@mac.com> Message-ID: Actually kevin's method no longer works. They removed the ability some time back. if you are to double tap and hold on a line of text or what not in a email there is no edit option. Not as far as I can tell, Also they removed the spell check feature even though in the keyboard option it says spell check on or off. I have mine set to on. so kevin's podcast unless I broke something way back in ios4 when playing with settings 6 months ago broke something. Take care all. On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Esther wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Sarah's explanation of the behavior of the insertion point position describes how to tell where you are positioned in a text entry, and also which characters will be removed when you press the delete key, but I'll try to answer your specific questions by interleaving replies. You might want to check the earlier podcasts at the Vision Australia web site (for the iPhone 3GS, for example), because the concepts of keyboard entry arise very early, and they probably didn't redo podcasts to have separate episodes for the iPod Touch, iPhone 4, etc. > > Other than this, while there probably are podcasts that demonstrate this, I can't quickly think of one. (Of course, Mike Arrigo's podcasts tend to cover everything, so you could start there *smile*.) One podcast demonstration that might help you out is Kevin Chao's podcast on "Text selection. Copying and pasting" at: > feed://kevinchao.podbean.com/feed/ > It's actually more complicated than what you're asking about, but the second half of the podcast describes using the web rotor to move your insertion point by characters and words, and what VoiceOver announces. > > > Michael Busboom wrote: >> MB: 1. How can a document that is currently being written checked for errors? In other words, must one somehow leave the keyboard app in order to do this? > Esther: If you are typing with the virtual keyboard in the bottom half of the screen, you can leave the keyboard up, but move your hand to the top half of the screen and set the rotor to either "characters" or "words". Do this by placing thumb and forefinger on the screen, with a slight separation, and twisting clockwise (or counter clockwise), as though you were turning a dial. Some people find it easier to use their index finger and middle finger, and twist these to make the turning gesture. > >> MB 2. When hitting the Delete button, how does one determine whether the first character of the text has just been deleted or whether the cursor is at the end of the text, and deleting from right to left is occurring? > When you're in a text field and double tap, you'll hear VoiceOver alternately say "insertion point at start" or "insertion point at end". The way to check your insertion point in the middle of a document is to set the rotor to either "characters" or "words" and then to flick down (to move forward) or flick up (to move backwards). VoiceOver will announce the character or word that you just moved over. > > Let's take an example. You're in the Notes app and just typed "Hello world", and want to review your entry. Currently you're at the bottom of the document. You double tap and hear VoiceOver say "insertion point at start", so the insertion point has just been moved before the H in "Hello". If my rotor is set to "characters", then each flick down moves the insertion point one character to the right. VoiceOver announces each character as you move the insertion point over it, so the direction that you move counts! If I'm at the start of the phrase, I won't be able to flick up to move to the left of the H in "Hello". If I flick down to move by one character to the right, I hear "H" as the insertion point moves from before the "H" to a position between the "H" and the "e". If I flick down again, I hear "e" as the insertion point moves over the "e" to a position between the "e" and the first "l" in "Hello". But, had I instead flicked up to move by one character to the left, I > would have moved back over the "H" to my starting point, and VoiceOver would have announced "H" as I moved over this letter from the other direction. > > If I keep flicking down in an editable field, with my rotor set to character, I hear all the letters announced as the insertion point moves over the letters from left to right: H, e, l, l, o, space, w, o, r, l, and d. Now, suppose I wanted to edit and change "world" to "word". After I flicked down and moved past the "l" of "world" and hear it announced, my insertion point is between the "l" that I just heard VoiceOver announce, and the final letter "d". Double tapping the "delete" key deletes the letter to the left of the insertion point. If I double tap the "delete" key to the right of the "m" key and just above the "return" key in the bottom right corner of the virtual keyboard, I'll delete the "l", and VoiceOver will announce the new word, "word" (instead of "world"). My insertion point is still before the final letter ("d") in the phrase. I can flick down to move my insertion point to the end of the text. > > The same process works to edit phrases by word. If my insertion point is at the start of the phrase, and I've set my rotor to "word" instead of "character", then flicking down moves my insertion point one word to the right. I hear VoiceOver say "Hello". The insertion point is just after the final "o" in "Hello". Pressing the delete key would have VoiceOver announce the deleted letter ("o"). If I now flick up to move left by one word, VoiceOver announces "Hell", and the insertion point is placed to the left of the word (at the beginning of the phrase, before the "H"). If I want to edit "world", and assuming it were near the end of a sentence (instead of being the second word) I could flick down to move through the sentence by words. Then, when I was just before "world", I could change the rotor from "word" to "character" and flick down to hear the individual characters announced, and make my correction. Or, more likely, I would flick down and hear "world" announced, an > d decide that I wanted to edit that word. So I would change my rotor to "character" instead of "word", and start flicking up to move to the left. My insertion point is always placed before or after the character (or word) I have just navigated past. Since I navigated to the right (flicked down) by word, it is after the final letter "d" in "world" -- the word I just heard VoiceOver announce. If I flicked up (to navigate to the left) before switching the rotor to "characters", the insertion point would be placed at the end of the previous word (e.g., it would be all set to announce the "Hello" with the next flick up). > >> MB: 3. Does anyone know of a podcast where this topic is handled in greater depth? I only started using my iPhone yesterday, and I really can't complain too much. I only encountered the keyboard entry problem when I unsuccessfully tried to sign in to a website. :) > > > Esther: There probably is a podcast that covers this, but I can't think of one offhand. You might have an easier time reviewing entries with a paired Bluetooth keyboard. I'm going to paste in the question and response I gave to a much earlier list post by Matthew Chao last year. He wrote: > >> Finally, I have an Apple Bluetooth keyboard. Is there any way I can get VO to just say words while on the keyboard, not repeating characters, while on the phone itself, repeat characters and words? > Esther: The issue you have stems from the fact that VoiceOver is announcing both your context location and your specific items when you navigate through text with a keyboard. If you only want specific words spoken, hold down the Shift key to select entries as you navigate -- then only the items that you select with the keyboard will be spoken. If you press Shift+Option+Right Arrow, for example, you will move your insertion point to the right by one word (Option+Right Arrow), and also select it (since the Shift key was pressed). VoiceOver will announce that word. If you keep holding down the Shift and Option keys while tapping the Right arrow key, you'll hear VoiceOver announce those words, too. If you hold down the Shift key and just tap the Right arrow key, you'll be selecting characters, and VoiceOver will announce the character. You can select from present point to end of line (Shift+Command+Right arrow) or to the beginning of a line (Shift+Command+Left arrow). You can > also move (and select) by lines by using your Up and Down arrow keys. To get out of selection mode, just move your cursor (e.g. press right or left arrow) without holding down the shift key. The keyboard shortcuts were posted to this list earlier, and can be found in the archives. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Thu Nov 17 21:09:50 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:09:50 +1100 Subject: Apples schedule for regionalising Seri? In-Reply-To: <000c01cca52d$908db860$b1a92920$@com> References: <002101cca506$2f890f00$8e9b2d00$@bigpond.net.au> <97C36760-D5A3-4DBF-910F-307F92F2AD8F@bluebottle.com> <000c01cca52d$908db860$b1a92920$@com> Message-ID: <4995A421-AFE4-4379-95A7-2C7F11AC6712@bluebottle.com> hi there i already asked and i don't at least they won't let me any how but life goes on On 18/11/2011, at 12:33 AM, Bubba wrote: > If you only had it for a few months you might qualify for a early upgrade so > this might be worth checking into. JST > > > Sign, > Bubba > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of krystal watson > Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2011 4:36 AM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: Apples schedule for regionalising Seri? > > it would be cool to have cirri on a i phone 4 smiles i am stuck in my 2 year > contract sad smiley so i can't get the 4 s didn't know they were bringing > out the four s a few months later but didn't have a screen reader friendly > phone at the time so didn't have much of a choice in waiting for the new one > at the time the four was the latest any how take care from krystal watson > On 17/11/2011, at 7:52 PM, Adrian Beech wrote: > >> G'day all, >> >> >> >> Well I've bitten that 4s bullet and got one of the new wee beasties. One >> thing I'd have to say is that I like what Seri can do at this point in > time >> and I'm looking forward to seeing how Apple evolves this technology. I'm >> wondering though has Apple released a schedule which outlines their >> timeframes for regionalising Seri, i.e. if I'm in Timbuktu I'm given local >> information relevant to that location? This has more to do with those >> "where am I now" and "where is the nearest Mac'ers" type questions, etc. >> >> >> >> From where I'm sitting Seri makes it easier from an accessibility >> perspective an Apple should be commended on that aspect alone! >> >> >> >> Cheers. >> >> AB >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From krystalwatson at bluebottle.com Thu Nov 17 21:23:20 2011 From: krystalwatson at bluebottle.com (krystal watson) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:23:20 +1100 Subject: New Assistant List Controller Appointed In-Reply-To: <3E346BAE-6CD8-4132-B797-D4AD80433B4A@mac-access.net> References: <3E346BAE-6CD8-4132-B797-D4AD80433B4A@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <9E603319-7D45-4B9D-9A7E-11B38F90D874@bluebottle.com> hi congratulations donald i know you will do a fantastic job at helping us all smiley face and welcome to the support team that helps us all when needed take care talk soon On 18/11/2011, at 5:23 AM, Gordon, Lynne & Tracy wrote: > Hello everybody > > As you may be aware, James Austin resigned his post as an assistant list controller for Mac Access Dot Net earlier this week. Subsequently, I have spoken with a number of people who were kind enough to offer their services; and I would like to publicly thank them all. I won't name them, but they know who they are. We are grateful to each and every one of you. > > Ultimately, we have reached the decision to appoint somebody who I am sure will do an excellent job when we are absent. I must stress that the assistant list controllers only have responsibility in our prolonged absence. We do not wish to impose upon anybody and we will continue to shoulder the burden, so to speak, whilst we are able. Although it must be said that this group is primarily very easy to handle as you are all exhibiting very mature and responsible behaviour. I'd like to thank you all for that, it makes running the group more pleasant and worthwhile. Anyway, all that having been got out of the way, I will now introduce our new assistant controller. > As you are doubtless aware, Anne Robertson has been helping us for a very long time; and I'm pleased to say that Anne is still on board the project. She's very capable and helpful. It gives me great pleasure to announce that Anne is now to be joined by Donal Fitzpatrick, who has kindly agreed to step up to the plate. Donal is, as you may know, a very well qualified individual and we are extremely fortunate to have him with us now. > > Donal now has a dedicated email address which he will be using to handle the duties he has accepted for Mac Access. Donal may be contacted at: > > if you require assistance when we are away. > > I stress though that, most of the time, we will be able to help you ourselves, particularly since we now have Tracy Thompson helping us when necessary. So if you have queries regarding anything to do with our services, the support address, is the first port of call. > > Welcome aboard Donal. I look forward to liaising with and working with you. > > Lynne > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From moriond at mac.com Thu Nov 17 21:25:56 2011 From: moriond at mac.com (Esther) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 11:25:56 -1000 Subject: Data entry on the iPhone 4 with OS5 In-Reply-To: References: <3F54F9BE-C674-4ADF-8B82-63146B9931B6@mac.com> Message-ID: <1AB2EF94-A13F-4824-B925-D99DEDE402C6@mac.com> Hi Sarah, Thanks for the heads up. I was cutting and pasting from old answer posts in hopes of getting some coverage of how the insertion point material works for Mike. What I remembered is that Kevin explained the way that the insertion point and rotor works in the second part of the podcast. It's hard to remember this kind of coverage when you listened to these podcasts a year ago. Mike will just have to make do with my verbal explanation (and yours) of how the rotor and insertion point works, but that should be familiar to him from using the Mac. Esther On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:31, Sarah Alawami wrote: > Actually kevin's method no longer works. They removed the ability some time back. if you are to double tap and hold on a line of text or what not in a email there is no edit option. Not as far as I can tell, Also they removed the spell check feature even though in the keyboard option it says spell check on or off. I have mine set to on. so kevin's podcast unless I broke something way back in ios4 when playing with settings 6 months ago broke something. > > Take care all. > On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Mike, >> >> Sarah's explanation of the behavior of the insertion point position describes how to tell where you are positioned in a text entry, and also which characters will be removed when you press the delete key, but I'll try to answer your specific questions by interleaving replies. You might want to check the earlier podcasts at the Vision Australia web site (for the iPhone 3GS, for example), because the concepts of keyboard entry arise very early, and they probably didn't redo podcasts to have separate episodes for the iPod Touch, iPhone 4, etc. >> >> Other than this, while there probably are podcasts that demonstrate this, I can't quickly think of one. (Of course, Mike Arrigo's podcasts tend to cover everything, so you could start there *smile*.) One podcast demonstration that might help you out is Kevin Chao's podcast on "Text selection. Copying and pasting" at: >> feed://kevinchao.podbean.com/feed/ >> It's actually more complicated than what you're asking about, but the second half of the podcast describes using the web rotor to move your insertion point by characters and words, and what VoiceOver announces. >> From marrie12 at gmail.com Thu Nov 17 23:33:46 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:33:46 -0800 Subject: Data entry on the iPhone 4 with OS5 In-Reply-To: <1AB2EF94-A13F-4824-B925-D99DEDE402C6@mac.com> References: <3F54F9BE-C674-4ADF-8B82-63146B9931B6@mac.com> <1AB2EF94-A13F-4824-B925-D99DEDE402C6@mac.com> Message-ID: <2597775A-9899-492F-9499-E006F26E435F@gmail.com> OH no worries. I'm actually surprised it does not work on a bt keyboard as well. I cannot take a excerpt from a web page or blog and just paste it in to an email let's say. I dunno why apple took it out, if indeed they did. The reason I say that is this. I dunno if it is out for good or if it is an accessibility issue, or if I'm just too dence to follow instructions properly. lol! but I've heard others complain that it does not work either so I cannot be the only one who can't do it. lol! Take care all. Sarah Alawami If you need an edit done on a small project go to http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info is below. MSN and AIM: marrie12 at gmail.com website: http://music.marrie.org Podcast: http://tffp.marrie.org/podcast youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125 On Nov 17, 2011, at 1:25 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Sarah, > > Thanks for the heads up. I was cutting and pasting from old answer posts in hopes of getting some coverage of how the insertion point material works for Mike. What I remembered is that Kevin explained the way that the insertion point and rotor works in the second part of the podcast. It's hard to remember this kind of coverage when you listened to these podcasts a year ago. > > Mike will just have to make do with my verbal explanation (and yours) of how the rotor and insertion point works, but that should be familiar to him from using the Mac. > > Esther > > On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:31, Sarah Alawami wrote: > >> Actually kevin's method no longer works. They removed the ability some time back. if you are to double tap and hold on a line of text or what not in a email there is no edit option. Not as far as I can tell, Also they removed the spell check feature even though in the keyboard option it says spell check on or off. I have mine set to on. so kevin's podcast unless I broke something way back in ios4 when playing with settings 6 months ago broke something. >> >> Take care all. >> On Nov 17, 2011, at 11:51 AM, Esther wrote: >> >>> Hi Mike, >>> >>> Sarah's explanation of the behavior of the insertion point position describes how to tell where you are positioned in a text entry, and also which characters will be removed when you press the delete key, but I'll try to answer your specific questions by interleaving replies. You might want to check the earlier podcasts at the Vision Australia web site (for the iPhone 3GS, for example), because the concepts of keyboard entry arise very early, and they probably didn't redo podcasts to have separate episodes for the iPod Touch, iPhone 4, etc. >>> >>> Other than this, while there probably are podcasts that demonstrate this, I can't quickly think of one. (Of course, Mike Arrigo's podcasts tend to cover everything, so you could start there *smile*.) One podcast demonstration that might help you out is Kevin Chao's podcast on "Text selection. Copying and pasting" at: >>> feed://kevinchao.podbean.com/feed/ >>> It's actually more complicated than what you're asking about, but the second half of the podcast describes using the web rotor to move your insertion point by characters and words, and what VoiceOver announces. >>> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From matsudakoji at verizon.net Thu Nov 17 23:43:30 2011 From: matsudakoji at verizon.net (Koji Matsuda (Verizon)) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 18:43:30 -0500 Subject: unlocking iPhone 4 In-Reply-To: <436EB457-F70F-4E5A-8C6E-A4857F42FA7A@mac.com> References: <436EB457-F70F-4E5A-8C6E-A4857F42FA7A@mac.com> Message-ID: <7BA5D4E70D13406497BA003D96A63B95@ASUS> hey guys, I bought the iPhone 4S, and I was going to sell my iPhone 4, but I ended up not doing so. I figured I will find it a home some day. In the mean time though, has anyone here successfully unlock the iPhone 4 without sighted help? I was listening to someone doing it on Youtube, but he was sighted. I would like to try unlocking mine if possible. Any tips please? I don't have a mac machines. A PC with JAWS is what I have. Koji From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Nov 18 03:36:23 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:36:23 +1100 Subject: Right clicking an item to bring up a context menu with a Trackpad Message-ID: <002CD94C-780D-4F12-A9A2-4C28D1BA77BF@internode.on.net> Hi! Can someone remind me how this is done or if indeed it can be done? Thanks From zkline at speedpost.net Fri Nov 18 03:50:22 2011 From: zkline at speedpost.net (Zachary Kline) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 19:50:22 -0800 Subject: Right clicking an item to bring up a context menu with a Trackpad In-Reply-To: <002CD94C-780D-4F12-A9A2-4C28D1BA77BF@internode.on.net> References: <002CD94C-780D-4F12-A9A2-4C28D1BA77BF@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hi Dane, YOu can use ctrl-click to do this. Best, Zack. On Nov 17, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > Hi! > > Can someone remind me how this is done or if indeed it can be done? > > Thanks > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From grtdane at internode.on.net Fri Nov 18 03:54:43 2011 From: grtdane at internode.on.net (Dane Trethowan) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:54:43 +1100 Subject: Right clicking an item to bring up a context menu with a Trackpad In-Reply-To: References: <002CD94C-780D-4F12-A9A2-4C28D1BA77BF@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <388CE586-5229-4695-9B95-07A6DA94CA37@internode.on.net> Thanks a bundle. On 18/11/2011, at 2:50 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > Hi Dane, > YOu can use ctrl-click to do this. > Best, > Zack. > On Nov 17, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Dane Trethowan wrote: > >> Hi! >> >> Can someone remind me how this is done or if indeed it can be done? >> >> Thanks >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From cfgolding at comcast.net Fri Nov 18 04:20:27 2011 From: cfgolding at comcast.net (Catherine Golding) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 20:20:27 -0800 Subject: Moving things to desktop Message-ID: <003901cca5a9$6729caf0$357d60d0$@net> I am wondering how I move thiongs to the desktop such as Pages. Second, how do I hide things on the dock without losing them entirely? Catherine Golding Olympia, Washington From marrie12 at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 05:54:45 2011 From: marrie12 at gmail.com (Sarah Alawami) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 21:54:45 -0800 Subject: Moving things to desktop In-Reply-To: <003901cca5a9$6729caf0$357d60d0$@net> References: <003901cca5a9$6729caf0$357d60d0$@net> Message-ID: to move something to the desktop do a cmd c but for apps leave them in the app folder. it is more organized that way.. On Nov 17, 2011, at 8:20 PM, Catherine Golding wrote: > I am wondering how I move things to the desktop such as Pages. Second, how > do I hide things on the dock without losing them entirely? > > > > Catherine Golding > > Olympia, Washington > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From turningbytouch at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 08:15:48 2011 From: turningbytouch at gmail.com (Mr. L. Alexander) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:15:48 +0000 Subject: Mac OS 9 help needed please. hope someone can help Message-ID: <884AFCBC-58B6-437F-974E-E48A004DAECE@gmail.com> Hi all. I hope someone here on this list might be able to help. I'm a mac technician with a background in older macs as well as current systems and undertake repairs on machines as well as mac recycling. I use voiceover all the time for the machines which support OS X 10.4 and above but there are machines I take on and can only do certain work on without sighted assistance. when it comes to the OS, etc then it's time for a friend to do the work. I was an outspoken user many years back. sadly I don't have the software anymore and it's a bit of a pain. anyhow, I hope no one here minds me posting this request. does anybody here have an old CD of outSPOKEN 9.2 for OS9 and / or any earlier versions which they could possibly help me with, so that I can get into OS 9 and earlier to do necessary work, etc and use OS9 on a machine I love very much and wish to keep. perhaps it's the relic in me which wants me to keep the old girl in my home. I never like to throw a system away. if anyone can help, please drop me an email. cheers. lew From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Nov 18 09:26:31 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:26:31 +0000 Subject: navigon Europe 2. Message-ID: <5CBF86CE-E0FA-4520-B69F-4B8C3945C3E2@computing.dcu.ie> Hi, If what I'm reading is true, updating to version 2 should be avoided. Apparently voiceover accessibility has gone backwards. Can anyone confirm? D?nal D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk Fri Nov 18 09:28:39 2011 From: harrisonclan at harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk (Ian Harrison) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:28:39 +0000 Subject: Instapaper and Safari In-Reply-To: <436EB457-F70F-4E5A-8C6E-A4857F42FA7A@mac.com> References: <436EB457-F70F-4E5A-8C6E-A4857F42FA7A@mac.com> Message-ID: <10F793A8-F1E4-40D3-A84F-2F695FC7D9C4@harrisonclan.karoo.co.uk> I don't normally clutter up the list with replies, but I must for this extensive piece of advice. Very grateful. On 17 November 2011, at 05:28, Esther wrote: > Hi Ian, > > It's pretty easy to create an Instapaper bookmarklet for Safari for the Mac. For that matter, it's pretty simple to create any bookmarklet for Safari, including the ones on the Google Translate pages. I would create the Bookmark so that it is saved to my Bookmarks Bar. That way, if it is the first item in your Bookmarks Bar, for example, just pressing Command+1 in Safari will activate the bookmarklet. (In the case of the Instapaper bookmarklet, this means saving the current web page to your "Read Later" list in Instapaper. For other bookmarks, pressing Command+2, Command+3, etc. will take you to the web page of the second, third, etc. bookmarks on your Bookmarks Bar.) > > You're going to create a bookmark, then you'll copy the link to the bookmarklet on the Instapaper web page, and move to the bookmark in the "Show All Bookmarks" page of Safari. Using the context menu to edit the URL address you'll paste the link information into the address field of the bookmark you created. > > 1. In Safari, navigate to the URL of the Instapaper Bookmarklet: > http://www.instapaper.com/extras > 2. Press Command+D to create a bookmark to this page > 3. In the dialog window for creating a bookmark, type "Read Later" into the text box for the name of the bookmark > 4. VO-Right arrow to the pop up menu bar for the location you choose to keep the bookmark, press it with VO-Space, and select the "Bookmarks Bar" by typing the first few letters (e.g. "b" or "b o") and/or use your arrow keys to move to the selection. Make sure you've chosen the "Bookmarks Bar" and not the "Bookmarks Menu" item that is just after it, so you can use the Command+1, etc. shortcut to go to this bookmark. > 5. Navigate to the "Add" button and press it with VO-Space. This adds the bookmark and also closes the dialog window. > 6. Navigate to the "Read Later" bookmarklet. You can either navigate to the "Read Later bookmarklet" heading, to read the instruction that will tell you to drag to the bookmark to your Bookmarks bar, or navigate directly to the "Read Later" link for the bookmarklet. (Navigate any way you like with the web rotor set to headings or links, but item chooser menu is always a good option, so you could press VO-I, then quickly type "l i n" for the links, then type "r e a d" to find the "Read Later" bookmarklet link. VO-Space to move to the link. > 7. VO-Shift-M to bring up the context menu and choose "Copy Link" > 8. Command+Option+B to "Show All Bookmarks" in Safari. (Comment: I usually have my Safari view options set so that the Bookmarks Bar is hidden and the Tool Bar is hidden. These options can be set in the "View" menu on the menu bar, but you can also toggle them between show and hide with Command-Shift-B for the Bookmarks Bar and Command-Shift-Backslash for the Tool bar. This just simplifies using item chooser menu, since you won't get items that appear in the tool bar or bookmarks bar mixed in with your available selections.) > 9. Navigate to the "Bookmarks Bar" item in the table of collections and highlight it by clicking with VO-Shift-Space. > 10. Navigate to the table of bookmarks in the Bookmarks Bar by pressing VO-Command-T then interact (VO-Shift-Down Arrow). You should be at the position of the first bookmark in the Bookmarks Bar, which should be the "Read Later" bookmark you just created. > 11. VO-Shift-M to bring up the context menu and select "Edit Address" > 12. Command-V to paste in the link you copied into the address field. > 13. Command-Option-B to toggle off "Show all Bookmarks" and return to your previous web page. Command+Right bracket to go back to the previous page will also work here. > > You're done, and now whenever you visit a page you'd like to "Read Later" in Instapaper on your Mac or on your iOS device, just press Command+1 to mark it. > > Although I usually hide my Bookmarks Bar, on my iPad in the Settings menu I have Safari set so that "Always Show Bookmarks Bar" has the switch set to "on". Then I can just flick to the "Read Later" bookmark and double tap it. > > The same principle applies on any web page where you're asked to drag a bookmark to your Bookmarks Bar. Just bring up the context menu to copy the link for the bookmark, then paste it into the address field of the Bookmarks Bar item in question on the "Show All Bookmarks" page of Safari. This is the general way you can get java script bookmarklets to work -- you just paste the script into the URL address fields via the context menu. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > On Nov 15, 2011, at 02:36, Ian Harrison wrote: > >> Hi to all, >> >> Am I right in thinking there is a way to bookmark articles in safari on the mac so that I can later read them on my iphone? >> >> If so, what do I have to do to enable this? >> >> I love instapaper. >> >> Ian > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From anne at anarchie.org.uk Fri Nov 18 09:45:27 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:45:27 +0100 Subject: navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: <5CBF86CE-E0FA-4520-B69F-4B8C3945C3E2@computing.dcu.ie> References: <5CBF86CE-E0FA-4520-B69F-4B8C3945C3E2@computing.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk> Hello D?nal, Some people seem to like the new Navigon, but I find it to be a complete disaster! I can get it to start navigation, but stopping navigation is almost impossible for a VO user. Also, it crashes when trying to do anything after starting navigation. I'm glad to say I saved the previous version just in case something like this should happen. Cheers, Anne On 18 Nov 2011, at 10:26, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi, > > If what I'm reading is true, updating to version 2 should be avoided. Apparently voiceover accessibility has gone backwards. Can anyone confirm? > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Nov 18 10:19:09 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:19:09 +0000 Subject: navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: <1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk> References: <5CBF86CE-E0FA-4520-B69F-4B8C3945C3E2@computing.dcu.ie> <1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: Hello Anne, I did the same thankfully. I kept the thing on my device for 10 minutes then binned it. Could I suggest to anyone who wants to try this new update to? forget about it. There are so many unlabelled aspects of the UI, so many things that just don't work. Stick with V1.x. Best. D?nal On 18 Nov 2011, at 09:45, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello D?nal, > > Some people seem to like the new Navigon, but I find it to be a complete disaster! I can get it to start navigation, but stopping navigation is almost impossible for a VO user. Also, it crashes when trying to do anything after starting navigation. > > I'm glad to say I saved the previous version just in case something like this should happen. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 18 Nov 2011, at 10:26, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> If what I'm reading is true, updating to version 2 should be avoided. Apparently voiceover accessibility has gone backwards. Can anyone confirm? >> >> D?nal >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From opensesame at me.com Fri Nov 18 13:55:37 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:55:37 -0500 Subject: navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: <1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk> References: <5CBF86CE-E0FA-4520-B69F-4B8C3945C3E2@computing.dcu.ie> <1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <456DE78F-FCED-4A5D-96C2-4D7533163A05@me.com> I tried the update for a couple of hours yesterday and had the same problems here with the Navigon North America version. My negative findings mirror those of DOnal and Anne. There are several critical elements in the UI that VO is denied access to, the whole system became very sluggish at times repeatedly becoming non-responsive with an "in progress" message, and getting out of navigation mode is messy. On the positive side, the new method of selecting individual states and provinces is accessible and it seems they've simplified the UI to eliminate some of the confusing steps previously required to get to certain bits of information. I haven't been a heavy Navigon User for several months, so this update doesn't effect me much but knowing that the app is very popular with the VI VO community, I can imagine Navigon will be hearing from many of us. -Bryan On Nov 18, 2011, at 4:45 AM, Anne Robertson wrote > Some people seem to like the new Navigon, but I find it to be a complete disaster! I can get it to start navigation, but stopping navigation is almost impossible for a VO user. Also, it crashes when trying to do anything after starting navigation. From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 13:57:13 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:57:13 -0500 Subject: Navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: References: <5CBF86CE-E0FA-4520-B69F-4B8C3945C3E2@computing.dcu.ie> <1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <001301cca5f9$fa6785f0$ef3691d0$@com> I have seen nothing that is unlabeled. I have been on discussion on this with other list as well and some are having problems but I think the biggest problem is the downloading of the maps this was a pain but once got thru this everything seems ok. It does run a little sluggish on the old iphone3gs but I assume the new app is written to take advantage of the iphone4s processer and such is why this is happening. But on the other hand if you stay with the old app you will not be able to get updates to the maps unless you take the new update at some point in time to the newer app. You can also try out the new app and then revert back to the old app if you don't delete it from the recycle bin or whatever the same is on the Mac. All you would need to do is delete the old app and restore the new one from the recycle bin and delete the new app from the phone and then sync to iTunes a couple of times making sure the old app is check to sync in iTunes. JMT Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of D?nal Fitzpatrick Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:19 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: navigon Europe 2. Hello Anne, I did the same thankfully. I kept the thing on my device for 10 minutes then binned it. Could I suggest to anyone who wants to try this new update to forget about it. There are so many unlabelled aspects of the UI, so many things that just don't work. Stick with V1.x. Best. D?nal On 18 Nov 2011, at 09:45, Anne Robertson wrote: > Hello D?nal, > > Some people seem to like the new Navigon, but I find it to be a complete disaster! I can get it to start navigation, but stopping navigation is almost impossible for a VO user. Also, it crashes when trying to do anything after starting navigation. > > I'm glad to say I saved the previous version just in case something like this should happen. > > Cheers, > > Anne > > > On 18 Nov 2011, at 10:26, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> If what I'm reading is true, updating to version 2 should be avoided. Apparently voiceover accessibility has gone backwards. Can anyone confirm? >> >> D?nal >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Nov 18 13:59:49 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:59:49 +0000 Subject: navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: <456DE78F-FCED-4A5D-96C2-4D7533163A05@me.com> References: <5CBF86CE-E0FA-4520-B69F-4B8C3945C3E2@computing.dcu.ie> <1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk> <456DE78F-FCED-4A5D-96C2-4D7533163A05@me.com> Message-ID: The impression I get Bryan is that they don't care. In my dealings with them, I have never found them responsive in the lease. Out of curiosity, what (if any) alternative app are you using? On 18 Nov 2011, at 13:55, Bryan Jones wrote: > I tried the update for a couple of hours yesterday and had the same problems here with the Navigon North America version. My negative findings mirror those of DOnal and Anne. There are several critical elements in the UI that VO is denied access to, the whole system became very sluggish at times repeatedly becoming non-responsive with an "in progress" message, and getting out of navigation mode is messy. > > On the positive side, the new method of selecting individual states and provinces is accessible and it seems they've simplified the UI to eliminate some of the confusing steps previously required to get to certain bits of information. > > I haven't been a heavy Navigon User for several months, so this update doesn't effect me much but knowing that the app is very popular with the VI VO community, I can imagine Navigon will be hearing from many of us. > > -Bryan > > On Nov 18, 2011, at 4:45 AM, Anne Robertson wrote >> Some people seem to like the new Navigon, but I find it to be a complete disaster! I can get it to start navigation, but stopping navigation is almost impossible for a VO user. Also, it crashes when trying to do anything after starting navigation. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 14:02:58 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:02:58 -0500 Subject: Navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: <1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk> References: <5CBF86CE-E0FA-4520-B69F-4B8C3945C3E2@computing.dcu.ie> <1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <001401cca5fa$c7a5ca40$56f15ec0$@com> Yes, have heard problems with stopping the route but the work around is to just completely close the app even out of the app switcher. Also it help me when I finish everything was to take everything out of the app switcher and reboot the device and start fresh. You want to be sure to go to the app switcher from a home page this way you know all apps that is running is now in the app switcher. Now the only problem I see with staying with the old app is that you will not be able to updates the maps and at sometime you will need to go to a newer version or live with old out dated maps. JMT ! Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 4:45 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: navigon Europe 2. Hello D?nal, Some people seem to like the new Navigon, but I find it to be a complete disaster! I can get it to start navigation, but stopping navigation is almost impossible for a VO user. Also, it crashes when trying to do anything after starting navigation. I'm glad to say I saved the previous version just in case something like this should happen. Cheers, Anne On 18 Nov 2011, at 10:26, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hi, > > If what I'm reading is true, updating to version 2 should be avoided. Apparently voiceover accessibility has gone backwards. Can anyone confirm? > > D?nal > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 14:23:57 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:23:57 -0500 Subject: navigon Europe 2. References: <5CBF86CE-E0FA-4520-B69F-4B8C3945C3E2@computing.dcu.ie><1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk><456DE78F-FCED-4A5D-96C2-4D7533163A05@me.com> Message-ID: <450079B93D394D27874BE0FA1B44C89B@DD952WB1> This is an interesting discussion. I will see what happens on my 4S when I actively follow a route. Meanwhile, when playing with this yesterday, my initial impression was that I could easily get to all the settings and plan routes. I even had access to GPS data which was invisible previously. The two negatives were that marking one's position as a POI was possible exclusively when a route is active, and the only way I found to quit a route is to close the app (either via long presses of the power and home keys or the app switcher) and restart. I found the turn by turn list once, but was unable to do so a second time. Right now I'm inclined to write that off to a learning curve issue related to adjustment to the new interface since I was able to get to it once. When I venture out later I will have Navigon follow the route to see if the response time and crashes might be related to a failure to test on older hardware. I tend to believe that Navigon may be receptive to feedback, since they did restore voice announcements to pedestrian mode last year. Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "D?nal Fitzpatrick" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:59 AM Subject: Re: navigon Europe 2. The impression I get Bryan is that they don't care. In my dealings with them, I have never found them responsive in the lease. Out of curiosity, what (if any) alternative app are you using? On 18 Nov 2011, at 13:55, Bryan Jones wrote: > I tried the update for a couple of hours yesterday and had the same > problems here with the Navigon North America version. My negative findings > mirror those of DOnal and Anne. There are several critical elements in the > UI that VO is denied access to, the whole system became very sluggish at > times repeatedly becoming non-responsive with an "in progress" message, > and getting out of navigation mode is messy. > > On the positive side, the new method of selecting individual states and > provinces is accessible and it seems they've simplified the UI to > eliminate some of the confusing steps previously required to get to > certain bits of information. > > I haven't been a heavy Navigon User for several months, so this update > doesn't effect me much but knowing that the app is very popular with the > VI VO community, I can imagine Navigon will be hearing from many of us. > > -Bryan > > On Nov 18, 2011, at 4:45 AM, Anne Robertson wrote >> Some people seem to like the new Navigon, but I find it to be a complete >> disaster! I can get it to start navigation, but stopping navigation is >> almost impossible for a VO user. Also, it crashes when trying to do >> anything after starting navigation. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From opensesame at me.com Fri Nov 18 14:27:51 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 09:27:51 -0500 Subject: Navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: <001301cca5f9$fa6785f0$ef3691d0$@com> References: <5CBF86CE-E0FA-4520-B69F-4B8C3945C3E2@computing.dcu.ie> <1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk> <001301cca5f9$fa6785f0$ef3691d0$@com> Message-ID: <5C8837C6-921A-4F19-B479-1C62F011862D@me.com> Hello Bubba, Since it sounds like you are not having these problems with the new version, I'm wondering if you might be so kind as to share your method of performing the following standard tasks using VO? 1. How do you return to the Navigon main screen from within any other navigon screen. 2. How do you cancel the process of entering an address to search for? 3. My third question was going to be a tongue-in-cheek query about how you prevent navigon from crashing and how you get the app to respond once you've stumbled into a screen where the app becomes non-responsive, but since you're not having those problems, I'll address them to navigon directly and put on a second pot of coffee. CHeers, Bryan On Nov 18, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Bubba wrote: > I have seen nothing that is unlabeled. I have been on discussion on this > with other list as well and some are having problems but I think the biggest From w9fyi at mac-access.net Fri Nov 18 14:44:59 2011 From: w9fyi at mac-access.net (Justin Mann) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 08:44:59 -0600 Subject: navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: <450079B93D394D27874BE0FA1B44C89B@DD952WB1> References: <5CBF86CE-E0FA-4520-B69F-4B8C3945C3E2@computing.dcu.ie><1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk><456DE78F-FCED-4A5D-96C2-4D7533163A05@me.com> <450079B93D394D27874BE0FA1B44C89B@DD952WB1> Message-ID: <309614BB-2715-41B9-872A-9F7757CD1CAD@mac-access.net> I tend to believe that they will respond. On Nov 18, 2011, at 8:23 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > This is an interesting discussion. I will see what happens on my 4S when I actively follow a route. Meanwhile, when playing with this yesterday, my initial impression was that I could easily get to all the settings and plan routes. I even had access to GPS data which was invisible previously. The two negatives were that marking one's position as a POI was possible exclusively when a route is active, and the only way I found to quit a route is to close the app (either via long presses of the power and home keys or the app switcher) and restart. > > I found the turn by turn list once, but was unable to do so a second time. Right now I'm inclined to write that off to a learning curve issue related to adjustment to the new interface since I was able to get to it once. When I venture out later I will have Navigon follow the route to see if the response time and crashes might be related to a failure to test on older hardware. > > I tend to believe that Navigon may be receptive to feedback, since they did restore voice announcements to pedestrian mode last year. > > Best regards. > Geoff > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "D?nal Fitzpatrick" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:59 AM > Subject: Re: navigon Europe 2. > > > The impression I get Bryan is that they don't care. In my dealings with them, I have never found them responsive in the lease. Out of curiosity, what (if any) alternative app are you using? > On 18 Nov 2011, at 13:55, Bryan Jones wrote: > >> I tried the update for a couple of hours yesterday and had the same problems here with the Navigon North America version. My negative findings mirror those of DOnal and Anne. There are several critical elements in the UI that VO is denied access to, the whole system became very sluggish at times repeatedly becoming non-responsive with an "in progress" message, and getting out of navigation mode is messy. >> >> On the positive side, the new method of selecting individual states and provinces is accessible and it seems they've simplified the UI to eliminate some of the confusing steps previously required to get to certain bits of information. >> >> I haven't been a heavy Navigon User for several months, so this update doesn't effect me much but knowing that the app is very popular with the VI VO community, I can imagine Navigon will be hearing from many of us. >> >> -Bryan >> >> On Nov 18, 2011, at 4:45 AM, Anne Robertson wrote >>> Some people seem to like the new Navigon, but I find it to be a complete disaster! I can get it to start navigation, but stopping navigation is almost impossible for a VO user. Also, it crashes when trying to do anything after starting navigation. >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > D?nal Fitzpatrick > dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie > > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Nov 18 14:46:43 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 14:46:43 +0000 Subject: navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: <309614BB-2715-41B9-872A-9F7757CD1CAD@mac-access.net> References: <5CBF86CE-E0FA-4520-B69F-4B8C3945C3E2@computing.dcu.ie><1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk><456DE78F-FCED-4A5D-96C2-4D7533163A05@me.com> <450079B93D394D27874BE0FA1B44C89B@DD952WB1> <309614BB-2715-41B9-872A-9F7757CD1CAD@mac-access.net> Message-ID: we shall see. On 18 Nov 2011, at 14:44, Justin Mann wrote: > I tend to believe that they will respond. > On Nov 18, 2011, at 8:23 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > >> This is an interesting discussion. I will see what happens on my 4S when I actively follow a route. Meanwhile, when playing with this yesterday, my initial impression was that I could easily get to all the settings and plan routes. I even had access to GPS data which was invisible previously. The two negatives were that marking one's position as a POI was possible exclusively when a route is active, and the only way I found to quit a route is to close the app (either via long presses of the power and home keys or the app switcher) and restart. >> >> I found the turn by turn list once, but was unable to do so a second time. Right now I'm inclined to write that off to a learning curve issue related to adjustment to the new interface since I was able to get to it once. When I venture out later I will have Navigon follow the route to see if the response time and crashes might be related to a failure to test on older hardware. >> >> I tend to believe that Navigon may be receptive to feedback, since they did restore voice announcements to pedestrian mode last year. >> >> Best regards. >> Geoff >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "D?nal Fitzpatrick" >> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:59 AM >> Subject: Re: navigon Europe 2. >> >> >> The impression I get Bryan is that they don't care. In my dealings with them, I have never found them responsive in the lease. Out of curiosity, what (if any) alternative app are you using? >> On 18 Nov 2011, at 13:55, Bryan Jones wrote: >> >>> I tried the update for a couple of hours yesterday and had the same problems here with the Navigon North America version. My negative findings mirror those of DOnal and Anne. There are several critical elements in the UI that VO is denied access to, the whole system became very sluggish at times repeatedly becoming non-responsive with an "in progress" message, and getting out of navigation mode is messy. >>> >>> On the positive side, the new method of selecting individual states and provinces is accessible and it seems they've simplified the UI to eliminate some of the confusing steps previously required to get to certain bits of information. >>> >>> I haven't been a heavy Navigon User for several months, so this update doesn't effect me much but knowing that the app is very popular with the VI VO community, I can imagine Navigon will be hearing from many of us. >>> >>> -Bryan >>> >>> On Nov 18, 2011, at 4:45 AM, Anne Robertson wrote >>>> Some people seem to like the new Navigon, but I find it to be a complete disaster! I can get it to start navigation, but stopping navigation is almost impossible for a VO user. Also, it crashes when trying to do anything after starting navigation. >>> >>> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >>> >>> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >>> >>> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >>> >>> or at the public Mail Archive: >>> . >>> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >>> >>> >>> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >>> >>> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >>> >> >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 15:38:48 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:38:48 -0500 Subject: Navigon Europe 2. References: <5CBF86CE-E0FA-4520-B69F-4B8C3945C3E2@computing.dcu.ie><1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk><001301cca5f9$fa6785f0$ef3691d0$@com> <5C8837C6-921A-4F19-B479-1C62F011862D@me.com> Message-ID: <00C56C26D4F3454B8D4A2B9A72CFA538@DD952WB1> Hello Bryan and list, As stated previously I kill the app to return to the main screen from the active route Window. IMHO, this is acceptable as a short term work-around. Other navigation seems to be mostly unchanged. EG from the settings window I can double tap the map tab (on the bottom left if you've not varied the factory defaults) and return to the window containing POI, my destinations, take me home, etcc. For me, the address search dialog is identical to the previous version. I can enter the entire address and see the current temperature and near by POIS (conforming to my preferences specified in settings -> POI -> direct access). As long as I don't start navigation I can back out all the way to the main map tab via either the scrub gesture or the back button on the upper left. I have a trip planned later, and will have Navigon follow the route so as to determine whether I experience a crash on my 4S. Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Jones" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 9:27 AM Subject: Re: Navigon Europe 2. > Hello Bubba, > > Since it sounds like you are not having these problems with the new > version, I'm wondering if you might be so kind as to share your method of > performing the following standard tasks using VO? > 1. How do you return to the Navigon main screen from within any other > navigon screen. > 2. How do you cancel the process of entering an address to search for? > 3. My third question was going to be a tongue-in-cheek query about how you > prevent navigon from crashing and how you get the app to respond once > you've stumbled into a screen where the app becomes non-responsive, but > since you're not having those problems, I'll address them to navigon > directly and put on a second pot of coffee. > > CHeers, > Bryan > > On Nov 18, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Bubba wrote: > >> I have seen nothing that is unlabeled. I have been on discussion on this >> with other list as well and some are having problems but I think the >> biggest > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Nov 18 15:45:16 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:45:16 +0000 Subject: JawBone Updater for Mac Message-ID: <272E982B-BAF8-4273-9369-1693DA47E9BF@mac-access.net> Hello everybody OK, I've had a few enquiries regarding the Jawbone Mac updater. The first thing I would say is that I'm not sure it is accessible; I at least can't get it to do anything with VoiceOver. But then again, I am probably doing something wrong; it's usually the case with me these days. :) Anyway, if you are interested in trying the updater, I have just placed it on the Software section on our file server. You can find it here, but please note this is a secured URL which contains log-in credentials. Feel free to look around if you wish; just play fair if you want to download because it's a very busy server. Once you're logged in, look for the "Drivers And Firmware" link, and click it. That will open the appropriate folder. Then, look for "JawBone", and do the same. Then look for "Mac OSX", then just move down the page and you'll come across the file. Just click on the link and it will download. The URL is: Please let me know if you have questions/problems. This is the only public area of our file server. Lynne From moopiecurran at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 15:46:25 2011 From: moopiecurran at gmail.com (Courtney Curran) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:46:25 -0500 Subject: no "use audio port for" menu on my macbook air, help Message-ID: <711DC5B0-EA94-496D-A6B1-07E23FDBBE71@gmail.com> Hi, There's no menu that says "use audio port for" on my macbook air, so therefore, I can't record from a line-in source. I can only record from the external mic. Does anyone have an answer as to why this may be. It's a 2010 macbook air with a 64 gb hard drive. Thanks, Courtney From anne at anarchie.org.uk Fri Nov 18 15:47:28 2011 From: anne at anarchie.org.uk (Anne Robertson) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:47:28 +0100 Subject: Navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: <00C56C26D4F3454B8D4A2B9A72CFA538@DD952WB1> References: <5CBF86CE-E0FA-4520-B69F-4B8C3945C3E2@computing.dcu.ie><1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk><001301cca5f9$fa6785f0$ef3691d0$@com> <5C8837C6-921A-4F19-B479-1C62F011862D@me.com> <00C56C26D4F3454B8D4A2B9A72CFA538@DD952WB1> Message-ID: <20BCBD67-EA17-4F4D-ABDB-4AB89A174F30@anarchie.org.uk> Hello Geoff, For me, pressing the Home button to stop navigation is a serious retrograde step, since with the previous version, pressing the Home button did not stop navigation, and it was possible to have Navigon running in the background, with Ariadne running in the foreground. I suspect that the new Navigon is optimised for the 4S which is why those of us with earlier models are having so much trouble with it. Cheers, Anne On 18 Nov 2011, at 16:38, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Hello Bryan and list, > > As stated previously I kill the app to return to the main screen from the active route Window. IMHO, this is acceptable as a short term work-around. Other navigation seems to be mostly unchanged. EG from the settings window I can double tap the map tab (on the bottom left if you've not varied the factory defaults) and return to the window containing POI, my destinations, take me home, etcc. > > For me, the address search dialog is identical to the previous version. I can enter the entire address and see the current temperature and near by POIS (conforming to my preferences specified in settings -> POI -> direct access). As long as I don't start navigation I can back out all the way to the main map tab via either the scrub gesture or the back button on the upper left. > > I have a trip planned later, and will have Navigon follow the route so as to determine whether I experience a crash on my 4S. > > Best regards. > Geoff From support at mac-access.net Fri Nov 18 15:56:25 2011 From: support at mac-access.net (Gordon, Lynne & Tracy) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:56:25 +0000 Subject: New Member Welcome Message-ID: Hello everybody It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Tracy, Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome: Robert Carter to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but have a keen interest; and those who use iOS devices only. We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope this clarifies the position. We regret that we cannot permit the discussion of Apple's Windows-based implementations of iTunes and iCloud. Although we understand that this is contentious, experience has shown that such threads always seem to digress and, before you know it, the topic has changed to totally unrelated Windows discussion. This group is specifically Mac OS and iOS. If you have any list-related queries, please do not hesitate to contact either Gordon and myself, (the list owners), at , or one of our very capable assistant list controllers; Anne Robertson, or Donal Fitzpatrick, . Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. These books include Apple operating systems, (Mac OS X and iOS), plus a number of third-party applications. If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog/ Once again, a very warm welcome to the group. We hope you find your membership an enjoyable experience. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Nov 18 15:58:01 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:58:01 +0000 Subject: Right clicking an item to bring up a context menu with a Trackpad In-Reply-To: <002CD94C-780D-4F12-A9A2-4C28D1BA77BF@internode.on.net> References: <002CD94C-780D-4F12-A9A2-4C28D1BA77BF@internode.on.net> Message-ID: <15863CCA-D9E0-4240-B190-69B15D9B0E4A@mac-access.net> I think Option+Click is how you'd do it. Lynne On 18 Nov 2011, at 03:36, Dane Trethowan wrote: Hi! Can someone remind me how this is done or if indeed it can be done? From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Nov 18 15:59:33 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 15:59:33 +0000 Subject: Right clicking an item to bring up a context menu with a Trackpad In-Reply-To: References: <002CD94C-780D-4F12-A9A2-4C28D1BA77BF@internode.on.net> Message-ID: Hello Zack Oopse! You're quite right. I always get those muddled up. :) Lynne On 18 Nov 2011, at 03:50, Zachary Kline wrote: ? YOu can use ctrl-click to do this. From turningbytouch at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 16:01:37 2011 From: turningbytouch at gmail.com (Mr. L. Alexander) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:01:37 +0000 Subject: New Member Welcome In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <74FD972E-102D-4FF2-8228-272E47F5DBAC@gmail.com> Hi Lynne, I've been trying to post a message on the board and it's not getting through. either through moderation or something's up. It was regarding some help with outspoken for OS 9.2 and I've posted it twice. in both instances it's not appeared. sorry about this.. lew On 18 Nov 2011, at 15:56, Gordon, Lynne & Tracy wrote: > Hello everybody > > It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Tracy, Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome: > Robert Carter > to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. We hope that you will find Mac-Access at mac-access.net a pleasant, friendly and worthwhile place to be. > > In here you will find a wealth of knowledge, and people with a variety of skill levels ranging from the total novice, to the application developers with advanced skills. Then there are those who don't yet own a Mac, but have a keen interest; and those who use iOS devices only. We hope you will feel free to post your questions and constructive comment, whatever your skill levels may be. Be assured, there will be none of the ridiculing and flaming which we know takes place in other groups. That kind of behaviour is not tolerated in Mac-Access. > > Anything Mac OS and iOS is on topic for this group. In the case of virtualisation applications such as Fusion and Parallels Desktop, the configuration of the applications themselves, plus the configuration of the virtual machines is on topic. However, the configuration of Windows or any other operating systems within that virtual machine is off topic. The exception to that is if you're using another instance of OSX within the virtual machine. This has always been a bit of a grey area; but we hope this clarifies the position. > > We regret that we cannot permit the discussion of Apple's Windows-based implementations of iTunes and iCloud. Although we understand that this is contentious, experience has shown that such threads always seem to digress and, before you know it, the topic has changed to totally unrelated Windows discussion. This group is specifically Mac OS and iOS. > > If you have any list-related queries, please do not hesitate to contact either Gordon and myself, (the list owners), at , or one of our very capable assistant list controllers; Anne Robertson, or Donal Fitzpatrick, . > > Finally, I would like to add that currently, we are offering all Mac-Access. members the opportunity to purchase the Take Control Of Your Mac publications, published by Tidbits.com, at an 80% discount. These books include Apple operating systems, (Mac OS X and iOS), plus a number of third-party applications. > > If you want to know more, please contact the above support address. For a listing of the books available please visit: > http://www.takecontrolbooks.com/catalog/ > > Once again, a very warm welcome to the group. We hope you find your membership an enjoyable experience. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 16:13:19 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:13:19 -0500 Subject: Navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: <450079B93D394D27874BE0FA1B44C89B@DD952WB1> References: <5CBF86CE-E0FA-4520-B69F-4B8C3945C3E2@computing.dcu.ie><1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk><456DE78F-FCED-4A5D-96C2-4D7533163A05@me.com> <450079B93D394D27874BE0FA1B44C89B@DD952WB1> Message-ID: <000001cca60c$fdef7990$f9ce6cb0$@com> Yes, I think they do they just take their time. These are more than likely minor fixes and would not take much to fix them. I just woulnder if the sited is having the same problems with not being able to quit the route ? It might not be just a Vo thing and if this is the case a fix will come really soon as their sited consumers will be complaining as well. I just think the blind community really get to upset at times and just not enough pation with things. JST ! Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Geoff Waaler Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 9:24 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: navigon Europe 2. This is an interesting discussion. I will see what happens on my 4S when I actively follow a route. Meanwhile, when playing with this yesterday, my initial impression was that I could easily get to all the settings and plan routes. I even had access to GPS data which was invisible previously. The two negatives were that marking one's position as a POI was possible exclusively when a route is active, and the only way I found to quit a route is to close the app (either via long presses of the power and home keys or the app switcher) and restart. I found the turn by turn list once, but was unable to do so a second time. Right now I'm inclined to write that off to a learning curve issue related to adjustment to the new interface since I was able to get to it once. When I venture out later I will have Navigon follow the route to see if the response time and crashes might be related to a failure to test on older hardware. I tend to believe that Navigon may be receptive to feedback, since they did restore voice announcements to pedestrian mode last year. Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "D?nal Fitzpatrick" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 8:59 AM Subject: Re: navigon Europe 2. The impression I get Bryan is that they don't care. In my dealings with them, I have never found them responsive in the lease. Out of curiosity, what (if any) alternative app are you using? On 18 Nov 2011, at 13:55, Bryan Jones wrote: > I tried the update for a couple of hours yesterday and had the same > problems here with the Navigon North America version. My negative findings > mirror those of DOnal and Anne. There are several critical elements in the > UI that VO is denied access to, the whole system became very sluggish at > times repeatedly becoming non-responsive with an "in progress" message, > and getting out of navigation mode is messy. > > On the positive side, the new method of selecting individual states and > provinces is accessible and it seems they've simplified the UI to > eliminate some of the confusing steps previously required to get to > certain bits of information. > > I haven't been a heavy Navigon User for several months, so this update > doesn't effect me much but knowing that the app is very popular with the > VI VO community, I can imagine Navigon will be hearing from many of us. > > -Bryan > > On Nov 18, 2011, at 4:45 AM, Anne Robertson wrote >> Some people seem to like the new Navigon, but I find it to be a complete >> disaster! I can get it to start navigation, but stopping navigation is >> almost impossible for a VO user. Also, it crashes when trying to do >> anything after starting navigation. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . 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Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From mike at busboom.at Fri Nov 18 16:16:54 2011 From: mike at busboom.at (Michael Busboom) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:16:54 +0100 Subject: Data entry on the iPhone 4 with OS5 In-Reply-To: <3F54F9BE-C674-4ADF-8B82-63146B9931B6@mac.com> References: <3F54F9BE-C674-4ADF-8B82-63146B9931B6@mac.com> Message-ID: As usual, Esther, your response was delightfully thorough and instructive. One question I forgot to ask in my original note was about the orientation of the iPhone when entering data. Should it be oriented to landscape or portrait? Along similar lines, does the iPhone need to be lying on a surface or can I hold it while entering data? Thanks so much, to you, Sarah and everyone else who is helping me. Mike On 17,Nov,2011, at 8:51 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Sarah's explanation of the behavior of the insertion point position describes how to tell where you are positioned in a text entry, and also which characters will be removed when you press the delete key, but I'll try to answer your specific questions by interleaving replies. You might want to check the earlier podcasts at the Vision Australia web site (for the iPhone 3GS, for example), because the concepts of keyboard entry arise very early, and they probably didn't redo podcasts to have separate episodes for the iPod Touch, iPhone 4, etc. > > Other than this, while there probably are podcasts that demonstrate this, I can't quickly think of one. (Of course, Mike Arrigo's podcasts tend to cover everything, so you could start there *smile*.) One podcast demonstration that might help you out is Kevin Chao's podcast on "Text selection. Copying and pasting" at: > feed://kevinchao.podbean.com/feed/ > It's actually more complicated than what you're asking about, but the second half of the podcast describes using the web rotor to move your insertion point by characters and words, and what VoiceOver announces. > > > Michael Busboom wrote: >> MB: 1. How can a document that is currently being written checked for errors? In other words, must one somehow leave the keyboard app in order to do this? > Esther: If you are typing with the virtual keyboard in the bottom half of the screen, you can leave the keyboard up, but move your hand to the top half of the screen and set the rotor to either "characters" or "words". Do this by placing thumb and forefinger on the screen, with a slight separation, and twisting clockwise (or counter clockwise), as though you were turning a dial. Some people find it easier to use their index finger and middle finger, and twist these to make the turning gesture. > >> MB 2. When hitting the Delete button, how does one determine whether the first character of the text has just been deleted or whether the cursor is at the end of the text, and deleting from right to left is occurring? > When you're in a text field and double tap, you'll hear VoiceOver alternately say "insertion point at start" or "insertion point at end". The way to check your insertion point in the middle of a document is to set the rotor to either "characters" or "words" and then to flick down (to move forward) or flick up (to move backwards). VoiceOver will announce the character or word that you just moved over. > > Let's take an example. You're in the Notes app and just typed "Hello world", and want to review your entry. Currently you're at the bottom of the document. You double tap and hear VoiceOver say "insertion point at start", so the insertion point has just been moved before the H in "Hello". If my rotor is set to "characters", then each flick down moves the insertion point one character to the right. VoiceOver announces each character as you move the insertion point over it, so the direction that you move counts! If I'm at the start of the phrase, I won't be able to flick up to move to the left of the H in "Hello". If I flick down to move by one character to the right, I hear "H" as the insertion point moves from before the "H" to a position between the "H" and the "e". If I flick down again, I hear "e" as the insertion point moves over the "e" to a position between the "e" and the first "l" in "Hello". But, had I instead flicked up to move by one character to the left, I > would have moved back over the "H" to my starting point, and VoiceOver would have announced "H" as I moved over this letter from the other direction. > > If I keep flicking down in an editable field, with my rotor set to character, I hear all the letters announced as the insertion point moves over the letters from left to right: H, e, l, l, o, space, w, o, r, l, and d. Now, suppose I wanted to edit and change "world" to "word". After I flicked down and moved past the "l" of "world" and hear it announced, my insertion point is between the "l" that I just heard VoiceOver announce, and the final letter "d". Double tapping the "delete" key deletes the letter to the left of the insertion point. If I double tap the "delete" key to the right of the "m" key and just above the "return" key in the bottom right corner of the virtual keyboard, I'll delete the "l", and VoiceOver will announce the new word, "word" (instead of "world"). My insertion point is still before the final letter ("d") in the phrase. I can flick down to move my insertion point to the end of the text. > > The same process works to edit phrases by word. If my insertion point is at the start of the phrase, and I've set my rotor to "word" instead of "character", then flicking down moves my insertion point one word to the right. I hear VoiceOver say "Hello". The insertion point is just after the final "o" in "Hello". Pressing the delete key would have VoiceOver announce the deleted letter ("o"). If I now flick up to move left by one word, VoiceOver announces "Hell", and the insertion point is placed to the left of the word (at the beginning of the phrase, before the "H"). If I want to edit "world", and assuming it were near the end of a sentence (instead of being the second word) I could flick down to move through the sentence by words. Then, when I was just before "world", I could change the rotor from "word" to "character" and flick down to hear the individual characters announced, and make my correction. Or, more likely, I would flick down and hear "world" announced, an > d decide that I wanted to edit that word. So I would change my rotor to "character" instead of "word", and start flicking up to move to the left. My insertion point is always placed before or after the character (or word) I have just navigated past. Since I navigated to the right (flicked down) by word, it is after the final letter "d" in "world" -- the word I just heard VoiceOver announce. If I flicked up (to navigate to the left) before switching the rotor to "characters", the insertion point would be placed at the end of the previous word (e.g., it would be all set to announce the "Hello" with the next flick up). > >> MB: 3. Does anyone know of a podcast where this topic is handled in greater depth? I only started using my iPhone yesterday, and I really can't complain too much. I only encountered the keyboard entry problem when I unsuccessfully tried to sign in to a website. :) > > > Esther: There probably is a podcast that covers this, but I can't think of one offhand. You might have an easier time reviewing entries with a paired Bluetooth keyboard. I'm going to paste in the question and response I gave to a much earlier list post by Matthew Chao last year. He wrote: > >> Finally, I have an Apple Bluetooth keyboard. Is there any way I can get VO to just say words while on the keyboard, not repeating characters, while on the phone itself, repeat characters and words? > Esther: The issue you have stems from the fact that VoiceOver is announcing both your context location and your specific items when you navigate through text with a keyboard. If you only want specific words spoken, hold down the Shift key to select entries as you navigate -- then only the items that you select with the keyboard will be spoken. If you press Shift+Option+Right Arrow, for example, you will move your insertion point to the right by one word (Option+Right Arrow), and also select it (since the Shift key was pressed). VoiceOver will announce that word. If you keep holding down the Shift and Option keys while tapping the Right arrow key, you'll hear VoiceOver announce those words, too. If you hold down the Shift key and just tap the Right arrow key, you'll be selecting characters, and VoiceOver will announce the character. You can select from present point to end of line (Shift+Command+Right arrow) or to the beginning of a line (Shift+Command+Left arrow). You can > also move (and select) by lines by using your Up and Down arrow keys. To get out of selection mode, just move your cursor (e.g. press right or left arrow) without holding down the shift key. The keyboard shortcuts were posted to this list earlier, and can be found in the archives. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 16:34:28 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:34:28 -0500 Subject: Navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: <5C8837C6-921A-4F19-B479-1C62F011862D@me.com> References: <5CBF86CE-E0FA-4520-B69F-4B8C3945C3E2@computing.dcu.ie> <1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk> <001301cca5f9$fa6785f0$ef3691d0$@com> <5C8837C6-921A-4F19-B479-1C62F011862D@me.com> Message-ID: <000101cca60f$f1a4ee60$d4eecb20$@com> Did not say not having problems I have not did a route yet I have no problem with unlabeled buttons so far I will do a route this evening when I go home and see what happens but here to stop after a route has been finish I hear that the work around is to close the app and that is taking it out of the app switcher. I have some slugfest on my old iphone3gs and as I said I chop that up as the app is made to take advantage of the iphone4s processer and such. As the reports I am getting is that iphone4s owners are not having the sluggishness that I am having. I have not had it crash yet but have not ran a route yet !But if it crashes I would think closing it totally out and restarting Navigon might solve the problem or even restarting the device. Now does this stuff need to be address yes. Is it something to get upset over no!, not unless Navigon is unwilling to fix it. Also is it just Vo user with the problems or is low vision and seeing person having these problems. I have had no problem as of yet going from screen to screen or button to button but have not yet tried it in a route mode. Will this evening going home and will also see if my wife has the problem as a sited person. I will report back. If it is indeed broken to the point of not being able to be used then I will revert back to the old one till it get fixed and use some of my other GPS apps to do what I need. As I don't just use one GPS as I don't like putting all my eggs in one basket. JMT and JMO ! Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Jones Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 9:28 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Navigon Europe 2. Hello Bubba, Since it sounds like you are not having these problems with the new version, I'm wondering if you might be so kind as to share your method of performing the following standard tasks using VO? 1. How do you return to the Navigon main screen from within any other navigon screen. 2. How do you cancel the process of entering an address to search for? 3. My third question was going to be a tongue-in-cheek query about how you prevent navigon from crashing and how you get the app to respond once you've stumbled into a screen where the app becomes non-responsive, but since you're not having those problems, I'll address them to navigon directly and put on a second pot of coffee. CHeers, Bryan On Nov 18, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Bubba wrote: > I have seen nothing that is unlabeled. I have been on discussion on this > with other list as well and some are having problems but I think the biggest <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Nov 18 16:43:32 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:43:32 +0000 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G Message-ID: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> Hello everybody What's the best method, with or without a Bluetooth keyboard, to access the App Switcher using VoiceOver? That's something I've been wondering for a while. Lynne From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 16:44:55 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:44:55 -0500 Subject: Navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: <20BCBD67-EA17-4F4D-ABDB-4AB89A174F30@anarchie.org.uk> References: <5CBF86CE-E0FA-4520-B69F-4B8C3945C3E2@computing.dcu.ie><1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk><001301cca5f9$fa6785f0$ef3691d0$@com> <5C8837C6-921A-4F19-B479-1C62F011862D@me.com> <00C56C26D4F3454B8D4A2B9A72CFA538@DD952WB1> <20BCBD67-EA17-4F4D-ABDB-4AB89A174F30@anarchie.org.uk> Message-ID: <000701cca611$679b7d40$36d277c0$@com> Yes, as no iphone4s has reported problems yet! Just iphone4 and iphone3gs owners. I am a iphone3gs owner and having some minor problems. Also other older iPhone users try using nothing but Navigon as this will help. That is making sure that nothing else is running in the app switcher. This is what I do and it seems to help so far but have not did a route yet. HTH and JST ! Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:47 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Navigon Europe 2. Hello Geoff, For me, pressing the Home button to stop navigation is a serious retrograde step, since with the previous version, pressing the Home button did not stop navigation, and it was possible to have Navigon running in the background, with Ariadne running in the foreground. I suspect that the new Navigon is optimised for the 4S which is why those of us with earlier models are having so much trouble with it. Cheers, Anne On 18 Nov 2011, at 16:38, Geoff Waaler wrote: > Hello Bryan and list, > > As stated previously I kill the app to return to the main screen from the active route Window. IMHO, this is acceptable as a short term work-around. Other navigation seems to be mostly unchanged. EG from the settings window I can double tap the map tab (on the bottom left if you've not varied the factory defaults) and return to the window containing POI, my destinations, take me home, etcc. > > For me, the address search dialog is identical to the previous version. I can enter the entire address and see the current temperature and near by POIS (conforming to my preferences specified in settings -> POI -> direct access). As long as I don't start navigation I can back out all the way to the main map tab via either the scrub gesture or the back button on the upper left. > > I have a trip planned later, and will have Navigon follow the route so as to determine whether I experience a crash on my 4S. > > Best regards. > Geoff <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From 1smartdog at cox.net Fri Nov 18 16:46:48 2011 From: 1smartdog at cox.net (1SmartDog@cox.net) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 10:46:48 -0600 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <1ECCC590835848A38D538C9A3BF95BFA@karen796b6a58c> Double click the home button. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:43 AM Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G > Hello everybody > > What's the best method, with or without a Bluetooth keyboard, to access > the App Switcher using VoiceOver? That's something I've been wondering for > a while. > > Lynne > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From lewiscrack at googlemail.com Fri Nov 18 16:50:40 2011 From: lewiscrack at googlemail.com (Lewis Crack) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:50:40 +0000 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <81EFFE35-1806-45F3-92EE-31016E747509@googlemail.com> Hi Lynne. Using VoiceOver, you tap the home button twice to access the App Switcher. then, you double tap and hold on an App, until you hear a bubble-like sound (3 rapid, up-rising tones). then VoiceOver will say Editing Apps. Then double tap each App and you will hear the double tap click. Do this until you hear VoiceOver say: App Switcher has no items. Hope this helps. Lewis. On 18 Nov 2011, at 16:43, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello everybody > > What's the best method, with or without a Bluetooth keyboard, to access the App Switcher using VoiceOver? That's something I've been wondering for a while. > > Lynne > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 16:50:12 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:50:12 -0500 Subject: Navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: <00C56C26D4F3454B8D4A2B9A72CFA538@DD952WB1> References: <5CBF86CE-E0FA-4520-B69F-4B8C3945C3E2@computing.dcu.ie><1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk><001301cca5f9$fa6785f0$ef3691d0$@com> <5C8837C6-921A-4F19-B479-1C62F011862D@me.com> <00C56C26D4F3454B8D4A2B9A72CFA538@DD952WB1> Message-ID: <000801cca612$249f3ee0$6dddbca0$@com> Hi, yes and you are running the iphone4s and just minor problems and I think this like I say is due to the much better processer power and other enhance hardware . I think older iPhone owners like Iphone4 and especially iphone3gs will have much more problems. I also suggest that older iPhone users make sure they use only Navigon when using Navigon and making sure nothing else is running in the background of the app switcher. I think this helps as I find it does with my iphone3gs. But have not did a route yet. JST Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Geoff Waaler Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 10:39 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Navigon Europe 2. Hello Bryan and list, As stated previously I kill the app to return to the main screen from the active route Window. IMHO, this is acceptable as a short term work-around. Other navigation seems to be mostly unchanged. EG from the settings window I can double tap the map tab (on the bottom left if you've not varied the factory defaults) and return to the window containing POI, my destinations, take me home, etcc. For me, the address search dialog is identical to the previous version. I can enter the entire address and see the current temperature and near by POIS (conforming to my preferences specified in settings -> POI -> direct access). As long as I don't start navigation I can back out all the way to the main map tab via either the scrub gesture or the back button on the upper left. I have a trip planned later, and will have Navigon follow the route so as to determine whether I experience a crash on my 4S. Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Jones" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 9:27 AM Subject: Re: Navigon Europe 2. > Hello Bubba, > > Since it sounds like you are not having these problems with the new > version, I'm wondering if you might be so kind as to share your method of > performing the following standard tasks using VO? > 1. How do you return to the Navigon main screen from within any other > navigon screen. > 2. How do you cancel the process of entering an address to search for? > 3. My third question was going to be a tongue-in-cheek query about how you > prevent navigon from crashing and how you get the app to respond once > you've stumbled into a screen where the app becomes non-responsive, but > since you're not having those problems, I'll address them to navigon > directly and put on a second pot of coffee. > > CHeers, > Bryan > > On Nov 18, 2011, at 8:57 AM, Bubba wrote: > >> I have seen nothing that is unlabeled. I have been on discussion on this >> with other list as well and some are having problems but I think the >> biggest > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 16:52:36 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:52:36 -0500 Subject: New Member Welcome In-Reply-To: <74FD972E-102D-4FF2-8228-272E47F5DBAC@gmail.com> References: <74FD972E-102D-4FF2-8228-272E47F5DBAC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000901cca612$7a6a9810$6f3fc830$@com> I got both of them myself just did not respond as I could not help him! Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:02 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: New Member Welcome Hi Lynne, I've been trying to post a message on the board and it's not getting through. either through moderation or something's up. It was regarding some help with outspoken for OS 9.2 and I've posted it twice. in both instances it's not appeared. sorry about this.. lew On 18 Nov 2011, at 15:56, Gordon, Lynne & Tracy wrote: > Hello everybody > > It is traditional when new members join the Mac Access Dot Net email forum that Tracy, Gordon and I try to welcome the new member(s) personally. In keeping with that tradition, we are delighted to welcome: > Robert Carter > to our number. We are gratified by the fact that Mac Access is growing globally. 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We hope you find your membership an enjoyable experience. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From ianandriggs at googlemail.com Fri Nov 18 16:54:14 2011 From: ianandriggs at googlemail.com (Ian McNamara) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 16:54:14 +0000 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <69FF4287-F01E-4C8F-9856-15CCDD69CA91@googlemail.com> hi lin press the home key twice quidkly and that will take you in to the app switcher then double tap and hold the first app till it says edditing apps then you can double tap each app to remove it. Ian McNamara From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 16:53:46 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:53:46 -0500 Subject: Data entry on the iPhone 4 with OS5 In-Reply-To: References: <3F54F9BE-C674-4ADF-8B82-63146B9931B6@mac.com> Message-ID: <000a01cca612$a3de2a90$eb9a7fb0$@com> Whatever is comfortable to you! Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Michael Busboom Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:17 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Data entry on the iPhone 4 with OS5 As usual, Esther, your response was delightfully thorough and instructive. One question I forgot to ask in my original note was about the orientation of the iPhone when entering data. Should it be oriented to landscape or portrait? Along similar lines, does the iPhone need to be lying on a surface or can I hold it while entering data? Thanks so much, to you, Sarah and everyone else who is helping me. Mike On 17,Nov,2011, at 8:51 PM, Esther wrote: > Hi Mike, > > Sarah's explanation of the behavior of the insertion point position describes how to tell where you are positioned in a text entry, and also which characters will be removed when you press the delete key, but I'll try to answer your specific questions by interleaving replies. You might want to check the earlier podcasts at the Vision Australia web site (for the iPhone 3GS, for example), because the concepts of keyboard entry arise very early, and they probably didn't redo podcasts to have separate episodes for the iPod Touch, iPhone 4, etc. > > Other than this, while there probably are podcasts that demonstrate this, I can't quickly think of one. (Of course, Mike Arrigo's podcasts tend to cover everything, so you could start there *smile*.) One podcast demonstration that might help you out is Kevin Chao's podcast on "Text selection. Copying and pasting" at: > feed://kevinchao.podbean.com/feed/ > It's actually more complicated than what you're asking about, but the second half of the podcast describes using the web rotor to move your insertion point by characters and words, and what VoiceOver announces. > > > Michael Busboom wrote: >> MB: 1. How can a document that is currently being written checked for errors? In other words, must one somehow leave the keyboard app in order to do this? > Esther: If you are typing with the virtual keyboard in the bottom half of the screen, you can leave the keyboard up, but move your hand to the top half of the screen and set the rotor to either "characters" or "words". Do this by placing thumb and forefinger on the screen, with a slight separation, and twisting clockwise (or counter clockwise), as though you were turning a dial. Some people find it easier to use their index finger and middle finger, and twist these to make the turning gesture. > >> MB 2. When hitting the Delete button, how does one determine whether the first character of the text has just been deleted or whether the cursor is at the end of the text, and deleting from right to left is occurring? > When you're in a text field and double tap, you'll hear VoiceOver alternately say "insertion point at start" or "insertion point at end". The way to check your insertion point in the middle of a document is to set the rotor to either "characters" or "words" and then to flick down (to move forward) or flick up (to move backwards). VoiceOver will announce the character or word that you just moved over. > > Let's take an example. You're in the Notes app and just typed "Hello world", and want to review your entry. Currently you're at the bottom of the document. You double tap and hear VoiceOver say "insertion point at start", so the insertion point has just been moved before the H in "Hello". If my rotor is set to "characters", then each flick down moves the insertion point one character to the right. VoiceOver announces each character as you move the insertion point over it, so the direction that you move counts! If I'm at the start of the phrase, I won't be able to flick up to move to the left of the H in "Hello". If I flick down to move by one character to the right, I hear "H" as the insertion point moves from before the "H" to a position between the "H" and the "e". If I flick down again, I hear "e" as the insertion point moves over the "e" to a position between the "e" and the first "l" in "Hello". But, had I instead flicked up to move by one character to the left, I > would have moved back over the "H" to my starting point, and VoiceOver would have announced "H" as I moved over this letter from the other direction. > > If I keep flicking down in an editable field, with my rotor set to character, I hear all the letters announced as the insertion point moves over the letters from left to right: H, e, l, l, o, space, w, o, r, l, and d. Now, suppose I wanted to edit and change "world" to "word". After I flicked down and moved past the "l" of "world" and hear it announced, my insertion point is between the "l" that I just heard VoiceOver announce, and the final letter "d". Double tapping the "delete" key deletes the letter to the left of the insertion point. If I double tap the "delete" key to the right of the "m" key and just above the "return" key in the bottom right corner of the virtual keyboard, I'll delete the "l", and VoiceOver will announce the new word, "word" (instead of "world"). My insertion point is still before the final letter ("d") in the phrase. I can flick down to move my insertion point to the end of the text. > > The same process works to edit phrases by word. If my insertion point is at the start of the phrase, and I've set my rotor to "word" instead of "character", then flicking down moves my insertion point one word to the right. I hear VoiceOver say "Hello". The insertion point is just after the final "o" in "Hello". Pressing the delete key would have VoiceOver announce the deleted letter ("o"). If I now flick up to move left by one word, VoiceOver announces "Hell", and the insertion point is placed to the left of the word (at the beginning of the phrase, before the "H"). If I want to edit "world", and assuming it were near the end of a sentence (instead of being the second word) I could flick down to move through the sentence by words. Then, when I was just before "world", I could change the rotor from "word" to "character" and flick down to hear the individual characters announced, and make my correction. Or, more likely, I would flick down and hear "world" announced, an > d decide that I wanted to edit that word. So I would change my rotor to "character" instead of "word", and start flicking up to move to the left. My insertion point is always placed before or after the character (or word) I have just navigated past. Since I navigated to the right (flicked down) by word, it is after the final letter "d" in "world" -- the word I just heard VoiceOver announce. If I flicked up (to navigate to the left) before switching the rotor to "characters", the insertion point would be placed at the end of the previous word (e.g., it would be all set to announce the "Hello" with the next flick up). > >> MB: 3. Does anyone know of a podcast where this topic is handled in greater depth? I only started using my iPhone yesterday, and I really can't complain too much. I only encountered the keyboard entry problem when I unsuccessfully tried to sign in to a website. :) > > > Esther: There probably is a podcast that covers this, but I can't think of one offhand. You might have an easier time reviewing entries with a paired Bluetooth keyboard. I'm going to paste in the question and response I gave to a much earlier list post by Matthew Chao last year. He wrote: > >> Finally, I have an Apple Bluetooth keyboard. Is there any way I can get VO to just say words while on the keyboard, not repeating characters, while on the phone itself, repeat characters and words? > Esther: The issue you have stems from the fact that VoiceOver is announcing both your context location and your specific items when you navigate through text with a keyboard. If you only want specific words spoken, hold down the Shift key to select entries as you navigate -- then only the items that you select with the keyboard will be spoken. If you press Shift+Option+Right Arrow, for example, you will move your insertion point to the right by one word (Option+Right Arrow), and also select it (since the Shift key was pressed). VoiceOver will announce that word. If you keep holding down the Shift and Option keys while tapping the Right arrow key, you'll hear VoiceOver announce those words, too. If you hold down the Shift key and just tap the Right arrow key, you'll be selecting characters, and VoiceOver will announce the character. You can select from present point to end of line (Shift+Command+Right arrow) or to the beginning of a line (Shift+Command+Left arrow). You c an > also move (and select) by lines by using your Up and Down arrow keys. To get out of selection mode, just move your cursor (e.g. press right or left arrow) without holding down the shift key. The keyboard shortcuts were posted to this list earlier, and can be found in the archives. > > HTH. Cheers, > > Esther > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From geoff.waaler at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 16:56:44 2011 From: geoff.waaler at gmail.com (Geoff Waaler) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:56:44 -0500 Subject: Data entry on the iPhone 4 with OS5 References: <3F54F9BE-C674-4ADF-8B82-63146B9931B6@mac.com> Message-ID: <8E6709C2AACC4765A22A2E0C4D6D6B3D@DD952WB1> Hi Mike, These are all personal preference questions. Some prefer the keyboard in landscape mode. For me, hearing VO quit reading or ducking under music to announce portrait or landscape drives me nuts, so I locked it in landscape mode by going into the app switcher by double tapping home, doing a three finger flick right, and toggling the "rotation lock" setting found on the lower left. Keyboarding suggestions will vary widely. Some find standard typing faster. I once read a blog post suggesting keyboard entry using the thumbs. I was all thumbs wen I attempted that. As soon as touch typing was introduced I never looked back. My keyboarding technique can vary massively -- for example I might be walking down the street with my left hand consumed with the harness of my 80 pound golden and send a text message. This is accomplished by placing my thumb on the left side near the bottom and securing the right side with my bird and ring finger while the back is held against my body. I might remove my bird finger temporarily and hold it with two fingers so as to facilitate easier access to keys on the left such as "a" and "q", but generally I can hold it securely and text reasonably quickly while walking and gripping with three fingers and my shoulder. The 4S has rendered a lot of this acrobatics unnecessary because nearly all keyboarding dialogs include a dictate button to the left of the space bar, and for me this dramatically reduces data entry time in most instances. Best regards. Geoff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Busboom" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:16 AM Subject: Re: Data entry on the iPhone 4 with OS5 > As usual, Esther, your response was delightfully thorough and instructive. > One question I forgot to ask in my original note was about the orientation > of the iPhone when entering data. Should it be oriented to landscape or > portrait? Along similar lines, does the iPhone need to be lying on a > surface or can I hold it while entering data? > > Thanks so much, to you, Sarah and everyone else who is helping me. > > Mike > > On 17,Nov,2011, at 8:51 PM, Esther wrote: > >> Hi Mike, >> >> Sarah's explanation of the behavior of the insertion point position >> describes how to tell where you are positioned in a text entry, and also >> which characters will be removed when you press the delete key, but I'll >> try to answer your specific questions by interleaving replies. You might >> want to check the earlier podcasts at the Vision Australia web site (for >> the iPhone 3GS, for example), because the concepts of keyboard entry >> arise very early, and they probably didn't redo podcasts to have separate >> episodes for the iPod Touch, iPhone 4, etc. >> >> Other than this, while there probably are podcasts that demonstrate this, >> I can't quickly think of one. (Of course, Mike Arrigo's podcasts tend to >> cover everything, so you could start there *smile*.) One podcast >> demonstration that might help you out is Kevin Chao's podcast on "Text >> selection. Copying and pasting" at: >> feed://kevinchao.podbean.com/feed/ >> It's actually more complicated than what you're asking about, but the >> second half of the podcast describes using the web rotor to move your >> insertion point by characters and words, and what VoiceOver announces. >> >> >> Michael Busboom wrote: >>> MB: 1. How can a document that is currently being written checked for >>> errors? In other words, must one somehow leave the keyboard app in >>> order to do this? >> Esther: If you are typing with the virtual keyboard in the bottom half of >> the screen, you can leave the keyboard up, but move your hand to the top >> half of the screen and set the rotor to either "characters" or "words". >> Do this by placing thumb and forefinger on the screen, with a slight >> separation, and twisting clockwise (or counter clockwise), as though you >> were turning a dial. Some people find it easier to use their index finger >> and middle finger, and twist these to make the turning gesture. >> >>> MB 2. When hitting the Delete button, how does one determine whether >>> the first character of the text has just been deleted or whether the >>> cursor is at the end of the text, and deleting from right to left is >>> occurring? >> When you're in a text field and double tap, you'll hear VoiceOver >> alternately say "insertion point at start" or "insertion point at end". >> The way to check your insertion point in the middle of a document is to >> set the rotor to either "characters" or "words" and then to flick down >> (to move forward) or flick up (to move backwards). VoiceOver will >> announce the character or word that you just moved over. >> >> Let's take an example. You're in the Notes app and just typed "Hello >> world", and want to review your entry. Currently you're at the bottom of >> the document. You double tap and hear VoiceOver say "insertion point at >> start", so the insertion point has just been moved before the H in >> "Hello". If my rotor is set to "characters", then each flick down moves >> the insertion point one character to the right. VoiceOver announces each >> character as you move the insertion point over it, so the direction that >> you move counts! If I'm at the start of the phrase, I won't be able to >> flick up to move to the left of the H in "Hello". If I flick down to >> move by one character to the right, I hear "H" as the insertion point >> moves from before the "H" to a position between the "H" and the "e". If >> I flick down again, I hear "e" as the insertion point moves over the "e" >> to a position between the "e" and the first "l" in "Hello". But, had I >> instead flicked up to move by one character to the left, > I >> would have moved back over the "H" to my starting point, and VoiceOver >> would have announced "H" as I moved over this letter from the other >> direction. >> >> If I keep flicking down in an editable field, with my rotor set to >> character, I hear all the letters announced as the insertion point moves >> over the letters from left to right: H, e, l, l, o, space, w, o, r, l, >> and d. Now, suppose I wanted to edit and change "world" to "word". After >> I flicked down and moved past the "l" of "world" and hear it announced, >> my insertion point is between the "l" that I just heard VoiceOver >> announce, and the final letter "d". Double tapping the "delete" key >> deletes the letter to the left of the insertion point. If I double tap >> the "delete" key to the right of the "m" key and just above the "return" >> key in the bottom right corner of the virtual keyboard, I'll delete the >> "l", and VoiceOver will announce the new word, "word" (instead of >> "world"). My insertion point is still before the final letter ("d") in >> the phrase. I can flick down to move my insertion point to the end of the >> text. >> >> The same process works to edit phrases by word. If my insertion point is >> at the start of the phrase, and I've set my rotor to "word" instead of >> "character", then flicking down moves my insertion point one word to the >> right. I hear VoiceOver say "Hello". The insertion point is just after >> the final "o" in "Hello". Pressing the delete key would have VoiceOver >> announce the deleted letter ("o"). If I now flick up to move left by one >> word, VoiceOver announces "Hell", and the insertion point is placed to >> the left of the word (at the beginning of the phrase, before the "H"). >> If I want to edit "world", and assuming it were near the end of a >> sentence (instead of being the second word) I could flick down to move >> through the sentence by words. Then, when I was just before "world", I >> could change the rotor from "word" to "character" and flick down to hear >> the individual characters announced, and make my correction. Or, more >> likely, I would flick down and hear "world" announced, > an >> d decide that I wanted to edit that word. So I would change my rotor to >> "character" instead of "word", and start flicking up to move to the left. >> My insertion point is always placed before or after the character (or >> word) I have just navigated past. Since I navigated to the right >> (flicked down) by word, it is after the final letter "d" in "world" -- >> the word I just heard VoiceOver announce. If I flicked up (to navigate >> to the left) before switching the rotor to "characters", the insertion >> point would be placed at the end of the previous word (e.g., it would be >> all set to announce the "Hello" with the next flick up). >> >>> MB: 3. Does anyone know of a podcast where this topic is handled in >>> greater depth? I only started using my iPhone yesterday, and I really >>> can't complain too much. I only encountered the keyboard entry problem >>> when I unsuccessfully tried to sign in to a website. :) >> >> >> Esther: There probably is a podcast that covers this, but I can't think >> of one offhand. You might have an easier time reviewing entries with a >> paired Bluetooth keyboard. I'm going to paste in the question and >> response I gave to a much earlier list post by Matthew Chao last year. >> He wrote: >> >>> Finally, I have an Apple Bluetooth keyboard. Is there any way I can get >>> VO to just say words while on the keyboard, not repeating characters, >>> while on the phone itself, repeat characters and words? >> Esther: The issue you have stems from the fact that VoiceOver is >> announcing both your context location and your specific items when you >> navigate through text with a keyboard. If you only want specific words >> spoken, hold down the Shift key to select entries as you navigate -- then >> only the items that you select with the keyboard will be spoken. If you >> press Shift+Option+Right Arrow, for example, you will move your insertion >> point to the right by one word (Option+Right Arrow), and also select it >> (since the Shift key was pressed). VoiceOver will announce that word. If >> you keep holding down the Shift and Option keys while tapping the Right >> arrow key, you'll hear VoiceOver announce those words, too. If you hold >> down the Shift key and just tap the Right arrow key, you'll be selecting >> characters, and VoiceOver will announce the character. You can select >> from present point to end of line (Shift+Command+Right arrow) or to the >> beginning of a line (Shift+Command+Left arrow). You c > an >> also move (and select) by lines by using your Up and Down arrow keys. >> To get out of selection mode, just move your cursor (e.g. press right or >> left arrow) without holding down the shift key. The keyboard shortcuts >> were posted to this list earlier, and can be found in the archives. >> >> HTH. Cheers, >> >> Esther >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to >> mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum >> at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus >> and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 17:01:24 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:01:24 -0500 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: <69FF4287-F01E-4C8F-9856-15CCDD69CA91@googlemail.com> References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> <69FF4287-F01E-4C8F-9856-15CCDD69CA91@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <000f01cca613$b52768b0$1f763a10$@com> Yes, and make sure you do it from a home page that way all apps are in the switcher! Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Ian McNamara Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:54 AM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G hi lin press the home key twice quidkly and that will take you in to the app switcher then double tap and hold the first app till it says edditing apps then you can double tap each app to remove it. Ian McNamara <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Nov 18 17:05:45 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:05:45 +0000 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: <1ECCC590835848A38D538C9A3BF95BFA@karen796b6a58c> References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> <1ECCC590835848A38D538C9A3BF95BFA@karen796b6a58c> Message-ID: Hello Karen On 18 Nov 2011, at 16:46, 1SmartDog at cox.net wrote: ? Double click the home button. You know; I'm kicking myself as this is so darn obvious! Thank you for the heads-up,. Talk about asking dumb questions! I've been using iOS extensively so how I forgot that I will never understand. Lynne From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Nov 18 17:12:26 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:12:26 +0000 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: <81EFFE35-1806-45F3-92EE-31016E747509@googlemail.com> References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> <81EFFE35-1806-45F3-92EE-31016E747509@googlemail.com> Message-ID: Hello Lewis That's a very extensive answer to a dumb question from somebody who should know better. Thank you. I've used that before, I simply forgot. Visually you can just tap an app, of course, which is what I do most of the time. The gestures that VO uses are quite different from the visual set in some respects and, although I do go out of my way to use VoiceOver very frequently, I still forget things now and then. Visually abled people are so lazy sometimes when we use these devices; which makes it all the more amazing how those with a visual impairment and, especially, those with total visual loss manage to cope with what is a very dynamic and challenging environment. I admire all of you very much; and I just wish I could do more to help. Lynne On 18 Nov 2011, at 16:50, Lewis Crack wrote: ? Using VoiceOver, you tap the home button twice to access the App Switcher. then, you double tap and hold on an App, until you hear a bubble-like sound (3 rapid, up-rising tones). then VoiceOver will say Editing Apps. Then double tap each App and you will hear the double tap click. Do this until you hear VoiceOver say: App Switcher has no items. From opensesame at me.com Fri Nov 18 17:13:45 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:13:45 -0500 Subject: no "use audio port for" menu on my macbook air, help In-Reply-To: <711DC5B0-EA94-496D-A6B1-07E23FDBBE71@gmail.com> References: <711DC5B0-EA94-496D-A6B1-07E23FDBBE71@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Courtney, If this helps, here's what I get on my mid-2011 Air running Lion 10.7.2 when attempting to use the built-in internal microphone, a set of iPhone earbuds with inline microphone plugged into the audio port, and a Blue Snowball USB microphone. The following information comes from System Preferences / Sound / Input tab / Sound input devices table. 1. With no external audio input devices plugged in my list of input devices shows a single entry with a name of "Internal Microphone" and a type of "Built in." 2. When I insert a set of iPhone earbuds into the audio jack, the list of choices in the sound input devices table remains at just one item but that item changes to a name of "External microphone" while retaining a type of "built in." 3. When I remove the iPhone earbuds and plug in the Snowball USB microphone an entry with name of "Blue Snowball" and type of "USB" is added to the sound input devices table. In this scenario I now have two entries: the blue snowball and internal microphone. 4. If I plug in both the iPHone earbuds and the USB Snowball microphone, the list of input choices reverts to just one choice: the one named "External microphone" with type of "built in" which refers to the iPhone earbuds. HTH, Bryan On Nov 18, 2011, at 10:46 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: > There's no menu that says "use audio port for" on my macbook air, so therefore, I can't record from a line-in source. I can only record from the external mic. Does anyone have an answer as to why this may be. It's a 2010 macbook air with a 64 gb hard drive. From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Nov 18 17:14:41 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:14:41 +0000 Subject: OS9 Messages not lost! In-Reply-To: <000901cca612$7a6a9810$6f3fc830$@com> References: <74FD972E-102D-4FF2-8228-272E47F5DBAC@gmail.com> <000901cca612$7a6a9810$6f3fc830$@com> Message-ID: These messages have arrived 3 times since last night. So yes, they are hitting the list. On 18 Nov 2011, at 16:52, Bubba wrote: I got both of them myself just did not respond as I could not help him! From turningbytouch at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 17:16:30 2011 From: turningbytouch at gmail.com (Mr. L. Alexander) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:16:30 +0000 Subject: OS9 Messages not lost! In-Reply-To: References: <74FD972E-102D-4FF2-8228-272E47F5DBAC@gmail.com> <000901cca612$7a6a9810$6f3fc830$@com> Message-ID: <2CFAF253-A861-44F6-B2AE-4A162CE50AEF@gmail.com> ah. oops sorry as it's not shown up on my email host, I thought there was a problem. My bloomin ISP seems to have it's own mind these days with emails sometimes not getting to their recipients. hope you're well and having a good day. lew On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:14, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > These messages have arrived 3 times since last night. So yes, they are hitting the list. > > On 18 Nov 2011, at 16:52, Bubba wrote: > > I got both of them myself just did not respond as I could not help him! > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Nov 18 17:17:18 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:17:18 +0000 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: <000f01cca613$b52768b0$1f763a10$@com> References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> <69FF4287-F01E-4C8F-9856-15CCDD69CA91@googlemail.com> <000f01cca613$b52768b0$1f763a10$@com> Message-ID: <9EF2E64C-3F6D-4891-B4AA-F3A532735C58@mac-access.net> Hello Bubba A very good point. Thank you. Lots of people are replying to this thread; forgive me if I don't respond to your specific message. I just don't want to keep responding with a "thank You' to each post. But that doesn't mean they aren't appreciated. Lynne On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:01, Bubba wrote: Yes, and make sure you do it from a home page that way all apps are in the switcher! From turningbytouch at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 17:18:31 2011 From: turningbytouch at gmail.com (Mr. L. Alexander) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:18:31 +0000 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> <81EFFE35-1806-45F3-92EE-31016E747509@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <8AA9036D-8EE7-42F3-BB92-3D28BD9118C0@gmail.com> oops sorry about that comment I posted. I didn't realise there was another lewis on here. It shows I'm having one of those stressful days. equipment coming in, to find someone's sent me an american soldering iron which is pretty useless. then spare parts going missing. I thought the comment was aimed at me and I appologise most sincerely. lew On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:12, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Lewis > > That's a very extensive answer to a dumb question from somebody who should know better. Thank you. I've used that before, I simply forgot. > > Visually you can just tap an app, of course, which is what I do most of the time. The gestures that VO uses are quite different from the visual set in some respects and, although I do go out of my way to use VoiceOver very frequently, I still forget things now and then. Visually abled people are so lazy sometimes when we use these devices; which makes it all the more amazing how those with a visual impairment and, especially, those with total visual loss manage to cope with what is a very dynamic and challenging environment. I admire all of you very much; and I just wish I could do more to help. > > Lynne > On 18 Nov 2011, at 16:50, Lewis Crack wrote: > > ? Using VoiceOver, you tap the home button twice to access the App Switcher. > then, you double tap and hold on an App, until you hear a bubble-like sound (3 rapid, up-rising tones). > then VoiceOver will say Editing Apps. > Then double tap each App and you will hear the double tap click. Do this until you hear VoiceOver say: App Switcher has no items. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Nov 18 17:20:23 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:20:23 +0000 Subject: OS9 Messages not lost! In-Reply-To: <2CFAF253-A861-44F6-B2AE-4A162CE50AEF@gmail.com> References: <74FD972E-102D-4FF2-8228-272E47F5DBAC@gmail.com> <000901cca612$7a6a9810$6f3fc830$@com> <2CFAF253-A861-44F6-B2AE-4A162CE50AEF@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1816F47E-7B5A-4DB2-B345-69DF46D917F6@mac-access.net> Hello Lew No need for sorry. If you weren't seeing them, you can't know. If, however, you're in doubt as to any aspect of your list configuration, please don't hesitate to contact us and we will check into it for you. Which ever support person you get, (Tracy, Gordon or myself), I think it's safe to say you'll find us approachable and willing to help you. Lynne On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:16, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: ? as it's not shown up on my email host, I thought there was a problem. My bloomin ISP seems to have it's own mind these days with emails sometimes not getting to their recipients. From turningbytouch at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 17:14:25 2011 From: turningbytouch at gmail.com (Mr. L. Alexander) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:14:25 +0000 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> <81EFFE35-1806-45F3-92EE-31016E747509@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <97415D6F-4F3D-497F-A405-E946F985E73C@gmail.com> Sorry? I didn't state a comment on this so please don't make that sort of comment to me. thank you On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:12, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Lewis > > That's a very extensive answer to a dumb question from somebody who should know better. Thank you. I've used that before, I simply forgot. > > Visually you can just tap an app, of course, which is what I do most of the time. The gestures that VO uses are quite different from the visual set in some respects and, although I do go out of my way to use VoiceOver very frequently, I still forget things now and then. Visually abled people are so lazy sometimes when we use these devices; which makes it all the more amazing how those with a visual impairment and, especially, those with total visual loss manage to cope with what is a very dynamic and challenging environment. I admire all of you very much; and I just wish I could do more to help. > > Lynne > On 18 Nov 2011, at 16:50, Lewis Crack wrote: > > ? Using VoiceOver, you tap the home button twice to access the App Switcher. > then, you double tap and hold on an App, until you hear a bubble-like sound (3 rapid, up-rising tones). > then VoiceOver will say Editing Apps. > Then double tap each App and you will hear the double tap click. Do this until you hear VoiceOver say: App Switcher has no items. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From turningbytouch at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 17:20:52 2011 From: turningbytouch at gmail.com (Mr. L. Alexander) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:20:52 +0000 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: <9EF2E64C-3F6D-4891-B4AA-F3A532735C58@mac-access.net> References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> <69FF4287-F01E-4C8F-9856-15CCDD69CA91@googlemail.com> <000f01cca613$b52768b0$1f763a10$@com> <9EF2E64C-3F6D-4891-B4AA-F3A532735C58@mac-access.net> Message-ID: What is the overall opinion on the ipad as a tool for productivity these days? should I consider one or go for a macbook air for my tech work? I use a macbook pro as my main workstation but am considering the iPad. the only concern I have is using the touch screen for typing. I use an iphone 3GS but don't text with it as I find it fiddly. any comments would be greatly appreciated. sorry... should have created this as a subject but your thoughts would be really helpful. lew On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:17, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Bubba > > A very good point. Thank you. Lots of people are replying to this thread; forgive me if I don't respond to your specific message. I just don't want to keep responding with a "thank You' to each post. But that doesn't mean they aren't appreciated. > > Lynne > > On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:01, Bubba wrote: > > Yes, and make sure you do it from a home page that way all apps are in the > switcher! > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From turningbytouch at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 17:23:00 2011 From: turningbytouch at gmail.com (Mr. L. Alexander) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:23:00 +0000 Subject: OS9 Messages not lost! In-Reply-To: <1816F47E-7B5A-4DB2-B345-69DF46D917F6@mac-access.net> References: <74FD972E-102D-4FF2-8228-272E47F5DBAC@gmail.com> <000901cca612$7a6a9810$6f3fc830$@com> <2CFAF253-A861-44F6-B2AE-4A162CE50AEF@gmail.com> <1816F47E-7B5A-4DB2-B345-69DF46D917F6@mac-access.net> Message-ID: lol nice one. finally winding down today after an exhausting day. you know what it's like when someone sends out stock and part of it's wrong. well that's today. on the positive side, I'm launching a project to help blind students who can't afford new macs out. OK it's outdated gear using either OS X 10.4 or 10.5 but it's better than nothing. best of all it's free. take care and thanks for your help. have fun lew On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:20, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Lew > > No need for sorry. If you weren't seeing them, you can't know. If, however, you're in doubt as to any aspect of your list configuration, please don't hesitate to contact us and we will check into it for you. Which ever support person you get, (Tracy, Gordon or myself), I think it's safe to say you'll find us approachable and willing to help you. > > Lynne > > On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:16, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: > > ? as it's not shown up on my email host, I thought there was a problem. My bloomin ISP seems to have it's own mind these days with emails sometimes not getting to their recipients. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Nov 18 17:23:10 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:23:10 +0000 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: <97415D6F-4F3D-497F-A405-E946F985E73C@gmail.com> References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> <81EFFE35-1806-45F3-92EE-31016E747509@googlemail.com> <97415D6F-4F3D-497F-A405-E946F985E73C@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Lew I know you didn't realise I was talking to somebody dlese; but it wasn't him I called dumb, it was myself! Lynne On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:14, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: Sorry? I didn't state a comment on this so please don't make that sort of comment to me. From opensesame at me.com Fri Nov 18 17:28:30 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:28:30 -0500 Subject: Navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: <000101cca60f$f1a4ee60$d4eecb20$@com> References: <5CBF86CE-E0FA-4520-B69F-4B8C3945C3E2@computing.dcu.ie> <1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk> <001301cca5f9$fa6785f0$ef3691d0$@com> <5C8837C6-921A-4F19-B479-1C62F011862D@me.com> <000101cca60f$f1a4ee60$d4eecb20$@com> Message-ID: Yes, I'm looking forward to reading your experiences after you've actually used the app. On Nov 18, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Bubba wrote: > Did not say not having problems I have not did a route yet I have no problem > with unlabeled buttons so far I will do a route this evening when I go home From turningbytouch at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 17:29:32 2011 From: turningbytouch at gmail.com (Mr. L. Alexander) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:29:32 +0000 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> <81EFFE35-1806-45F3-92EE-31016E747509@googlemail.com> <97415D6F-4F3D-497F-A405-E946F985E73C@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6002F8D7-1C32-4242-9C22-C96E7BFB6144@gmail.com> ah... I see... :) it was so very very very very..... very very ..... long ago lol glad to be amongst fellow mac guys and girls. round here in wales it's all windows this that and the other. BUY a MAC and get with the world lew On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:23, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Lew > > I know you didn't realise I was talking to somebody dlese; but it wasn't him I called dumb, it was myself! > > Lynne > > On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:14, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: > > Sorry? > > I didn't state a comment on this so please don't make that sort of comment to me. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Nov 18 17:32:13 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:32:13 +0000 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> <69FF4287-F01E-4C8F-9856-15CCDD69CA91@googlemail.com> <000f01cca613$b52768b0$1f763a10$@com> <9EF2E64C-3F6D-4891-B4AA-F3A532735C58@mac-access.net> Message-ID: Hello Lew Just personal opinion; but in your situation, if it were me, I'd go for the iPad because you can already do most of what you could do with the Air on your MBP, so you'd be maximising your investment in my humble opinion. The iPad is an incredible device. We have one of the original ones and, although I cruel and slaver, (not quite), when I see the iPad II in shops and when my brother brings his over, I really can't justify the upgrade cost. If Apple had a "trade-in" where you could part-exchange your original or older model for a new one, I'd jump at it. But paying the full price is just a bit too heavy a burden for what we'd get out of it that we can't on the iPad. Yes; the forward and rear-facing cameras would be nice. Then again I don't like photos or pictures of myself being taken anyway for reasons which I won't go into here. Cameras were even banned from our wedding. But other than the superior speed, I'm not sure it would bring us sufficient "Oomph" to be able to justify it. Actually Tracy was thinking about the iPhone 4S for Gordon as a Christmas present; but hue politely declined the offer because he says he's happy enough with the 3GS for the moment. he only uses the iPhone for making and receiving phone calls now and then, and sending a large number of text messages a month, as well as email and web browsing when away from home. The iPad is used a lot more for audio/video as well as mobile data services. But again we really couldn't justify the upgrade. Lynne On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:20, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: ? What is the overall opinion on the ipad as a tool for productivity these days? should I consider one or go for a macbook air for my tech work? I use a macbook pro as my main workstation but am considering the iPad. the only concern I have is using the touch screen for typing. I use an iphone 3GS but don't text with it as I find it fiddly. From 1smartdog at cox.net Fri Nov 18 17:36:29 2011 From: 1smartdog at cox.net (1SmartDog@cox.net) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:36:29 -0600 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net><69FF4287-F01E-4C8F-9856-15CCDD69CA91@googlemail.com> <000f01cca613$b52768b0$1f763a10$@com> Message-ID: <24FC029952CF47A19BCB2EE47EEEFCB9@karen796b6a58c> Hmmm, I always do activate the app switcher from the home page so I never knew this. If you activate AS from a different page, some apps are not in there? Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bubba" To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:01 AM Subject: RE: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G > Yes, and make sure you do it from a home page that way all apps are in the > switcher! > > > Sign, > Bubba > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Ian McNamara > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:54 AM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G > > hi lin press the home key twice quidkly and that will take you in to the > app > switcher then double tap and hold the first app till it says edditing apps > then you can double tap each app to remove it. > > Ian McNamara > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 17:35:32 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:35:32 -0500 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> <69FF4287-F01E-4C8F-9856-15CCDD69CA91@googlemail.com> <000f01cca613$b52768b0$1f763a10$@com> <9EF2E64C-3F6D-4891-B4AA-F3A532735C58@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <000001cca618$79adc900$6d095b00$@com> Hi, you can get a BT keyboard for the iPad . now it is a great device and works very well. But it is not a computer There is lot of uses for it and doing productivity is one of them. Like email, word processing and text editing to some extent that is for the blind but the seeing text editing is much better on it. I don't know about spread sheets like a excel or a power point at least for the blind. Now to get one that is a 64 gb with cell data figure to fork out about 800 bucks or so and then a cost of a keyboard and a case for it . so by the time you are out of the door you will be looking at around 1000 bucks or so. You can get a Mac book air for this amount if needing a small pourable computer. The Mac book air will have a better processer and lot more ram for the same price. So I hope this helps some . Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:21 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G What is the overall opinion on the ipad as a tool for productivity these days? should I consider one or go for a macbook air for my tech work? I use a macbook pro as my main workstation but am considering the iPad. the only concern I have is using the touch screen for typing. I use an iphone 3GS but don't text with it as I find it fiddly. any comments would be greatly appreciated. sorry... should have created this as a subject but your thoughts would be really helpful. lew On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:17, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Bubba > > A very good point. Thank you. Lots of people are replying to this thread; forgive me if I don't respond to your specific message. I just don't want to keep responding with a "thank You' to each post. But that doesn't mean they aren't appreciated. > > Lynne > > On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:01, Bubba wrote: > > Yes, and make sure you do it from a home page that way all apps are in the > switcher! > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From turningbytouch at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 17:38:04 2011 From: turningbytouch at gmail.com (Mr. L. Alexander) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:38:04 +0000 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> <69FF4287-F01E-4C8F-9856-15CCDD69CA91@googlemail.com> <000f01cca613$b52768b0$1f763a10$@com> <9EF2E64C-3F6D-4891-B4AA-F3A532735C58@mac-access.net> Message-ID: <5102A6C5-9C81-4731-913C-75333D8B2FA2@gmail.com> sounds like a decent idea. I would have to get used to data entry on the ipad. It's the tought of needing to handle callouts, quick database files, etc for parts ordering, etc so navigating a touch screen as a keyboard would be rather interesting. I checked out the 11" macbook air and fell for it. OK it's a bit more expensive than the ipad. just lothed to take a macbook pro on the job. will check out the ipad 2 some time soon and see if it's going to work out for me. I could possibly use a bluetooth keyboard or the apple dock keyboard for any heavy typing. lew On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:32, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Lew > > Just personal opinion; but in your situation, if it were me, I'd go for the iPad because you can already do most of what you could do with the Air on your MBP, so you'd be maximising your investment in my humble opinion. > > The iPad is an incredible device. We have one of the original ones and, although I cruel and slaver, (not quite), when I see the iPad II in shops and when my brother brings his over, I really can't justify the upgrade cost. If Apple had a "trade-in" where you could part-exchange your original or older model for a new one, I'd jump at it. But paying the full price is just a bit too heavy a burden for what we'd get out of it that we can't on the iPad. > > Yes; the forward and rear-facing cameras would be nice. Then again I don't like photos or pictures of myself being taken anyway for reasons which I won't go into here. Cameras were even banned from our wedding. But other than the superior speed, I'm not sure it would bring us sufficient "Oomph" to be able to justify it. Actually Tracy was thinking about the iPhone 4S for Gordon as a Christmas present; but hue politely declined the offer because he says he's happy enough with the 3GS for the moment. > > he only uses the iPhone for making and receiving phone calls now and then, and sending a large number of text messages a month, as well as email and web browsing when away from home. The iPad is used a lot more for audio/video as well as mobile data services. But again we really couldn't justify the upgrade. > > Lynne > > On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:20, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: > > ? What is the overall opinion on the ipad as a tool for productivity these days? should I consider one or go for a macbook air for my tech work? I use a macbook pro as my main workstation but am considering the iPad. the only concern I have is using the touch screen for typing. > > I use an iphone 3GS but don't text with it as I find it fiddly. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 17:39:11 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:39:11 -0500 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: <24FC029952CF47A19BCB2EE47EEEFCB9@karen796b6a58c> References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net><69FF4287-F01E-4C8F-9856-15CCDD69CA91@googlemail.com> <000f01cca613$b52768b0$1f763a10$@com> <24FC029952CF47A19BCB2EE47EEEFCB9@karen796b6a58c> Message-ID: <000101cca618$fc3a5910$f4af0b30$@com> No if you have at app running in the foreground and go to the app switcher the app in the foreground will not be in the app switcher. Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of 1SmartDog at cox.net Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:36 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G Hmmm, I always do activate the app switcher from the home page so I never knew this. If you activate AS from a different page, some apps are not in there? Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bubba" To: "'Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility'" Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:01 AM Subject: RE: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G > Yes, and make sure you do it from a home page that way all apps are in the > switcher! > > > Sign, > Bubba > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Ian McNamara > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:54 AM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G > > hi lin press the home key twice quidkly and that will take you in to the > app > switcher then double tap and hold the first app till it says edditing apps > then you can double tap each app to remove it. > > Ian McNamara > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From opensesame at me.com Fri Nov 18 17:40:33 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:40:33 -0500 Subject: VO access to Math symbols functions, fractions, etc? Message-ID: <30E62AD7-F1C0-4BB9-B33A-DDDED6B4E4C1@me.com> Hello All, The last time I took a math class was in 1989 when I was sighted. Sometime in the next 18 months it seems I will be required to take a course called "College Algebra and Trigonometry." I haven't yet started researching how I'll access material such as fractions and all those other math-related things that I don't even remember the names of, but I'm wondering if anybody here has had the pleasure of trying to do this with VO. TIA, Bryan From 1smartdog at cox.net Fri Nov 18 17:40:33 2011 From: 1smartdog at cox.net (1SmartDog@cox.net) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 11:40:33 -0600 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net><1ECCC590835848A38D538C9A3BF95BFA@karen796b6a58c> Message-ID: <213C956A666A44F0BFE0BA6C9DDB8F40@karen796b6a58c> Oh, no, not a dumb question at all. Here's a funny one for you. My husband is sighted and has been using an Iphone longer than I have -- several years with his first phone the 3G. Just this last September we were sitting at dinner and he was complaining that his phone was so slow. I asked how many apps he had open and he was dumbfounded. He did not know the app switcher existed. I sat there for no less than 30 minutes with his phone after turning on VO and closed all his open apps. There were literally hundreds! I learned the double click the same way you did...someone told me. Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:05 AM Subject: Re: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G Hello Karen On 18 Nov 2011, at 16:46, 1SmartDog at cox.net wrote: ? Double click the home button. You know; I'm kicking myself as this is so darn obvious! Thank you for the heads-up,. Talk about asking dumb questions! I've been using iOS extensively so how I forgot that I will never understand. Lynne <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From turningbytouch at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 17:41:47 2011 From: turningbytouch at gmail.com (Mr. L. Alexander) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:41:47 +0000 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: <000001cca618$79adc900$6d095b00$@com> References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> <69FF4287-F01E-4C8F-9856-15CCDD69CA91@googlemail.com> <000f01cca613$b52768b0$1f763a10$@com> <9EF2E64C-3F6D-4891-B4AA-F3A532735C58@mac-access.net> <000001cca618$79adc900$6d095b00$@com> Message-ID: <4039C2A0-390D-4FF2-A012-B29CF55F5AAE@gmail.com> the macbook air is a very attractive proposition, especially where OS booting would be handy where a thumb drive loaded with say OS X, Linux and windows on a technical only basis would be handy. The ipad does feel very decent and comfortable. Maybe it would be worth taking one on and putting it through it's paces. lew On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:35, Bubba wrote: > Hi, you can get a BT keyboard for the iPad . now it is a great device and > works very well. But it is not a computer There is lot of uses for it and > doing productivity is one of them. Like email, word processing and text > editing to some extent that is for the blind but the seeing text editing is > much better on it. I don't know about spread sheets like a excel or a power > point at least for the blind. Now to get one that is a 64 gb with cell data > figure to fork out about 800 bucks or so and then a cost of a keyboard and a > case for it . so by the time you are out of the door you will be looking at > around 1000 bucks or so. You can get a Mac book air for this amount if > needing a small pourable computer. The Mac book air will have a better > processer and lot more ram for the same price. So I hope this helps some . > > > Sign, > Bubba > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:21 PM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G > > What is the overall opinion on the ipad as a tool for productivity these > days? should I consider one or go for a macbook air for my tech work? I use > a macbook pro as my main workstation but am considering the iPad. the only > concern I have is using the touch screen for typing. > > I use an iphone 3GS but don't text with it as I find it fiddly. > > any comments would be greatly appreciated. > > sorry... should have created this as a subject but your thoughts would be > really helpful. > > lew > > On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:17, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > >> Hello Bubba >> >> A very good point. Thank you. Lots of people are replying to this thread; > forgive me if I don't respond to your specific message. I just don't want to > keep responding with a "thank You' to each post. But that doesn't mean they > aren't appreciated. >> >> Lynne >> >> On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:01, Bubba wrote: >> >> Yes, and make sure you do it from a home page that way all apps are in the >> switcher! >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From n0oxy at charter.net Fri Nov 18 17:42:03 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:42:03 -0500 Subject: navigon Europe 2. Message-ID: 3c8ce8de-8f33-4543-9360-54b0a80dcb50@samobile.net Haven't tried version 2 of the United States version yet, but I have heard from several people that, voice over does not see the control to stop navigation. Sounds like this app has taken some steps backward with regard to accessibility. Original message: > Hello D?nal, > Some people seem to like the new Navigon, but I find it to be a > complete disaster! I can get it to start navigation, but stopping > navigation is almost impossible for a VO user. Also, it crashes when > trying to do anything after starting navigation. > I'm glad to say I saved the previous version just in case something > like this should happen. > Cheers, > Anne > On 18 Nov 2011, at 10:26, D?nal Fitzpatrick wrote: >> Hi, >> If what I'm reading is true, updating to version 2 should be avoided. >> Apparently voiceover accessibility has gone backwards. Can anyone confirm? >> D?nal >> D?nal Fitzpatrick >> dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access >> forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, >> virus and worm-free! >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by >> visiting the list website at: >> > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access > forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 17:41:11 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:41:11 -0500 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: <5102A6C5-9C81-4731-913C-75333D8B2FA2@gmail.com> References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> <69FF4287-F01E-4C8F-9856-15CCDD69CA91@googlemail.com> <000f01cca613$b52768b0$1f763a10$@com> <9EF2E64C-3F6D-4891-B4AA-F3A532735C58@mac-access.net> <5102A6C5-9C81-4731-913C-75333D8B2FA2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000201cca619$43cb1e40$cb615ac0$@com> Not really more expensive if you get a decked out iPad like the 64 gb with cell data and then a cover for it and then a Bt keyboard. You are at the about same price. JST Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:38 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G sounds like a decent idea. I would have to get used to data entry on the ipad. It's the tought of needing to handle callouts, quick database files, etc for parts ordering, etc so navigating a touch screen as a keyboard would be rather interesting. I checked out the 11" macbook air and fell for it. OK it's a bit more expensive than the ipad. just lothed to take a macbook pro on the job. will check out the ipad 2 some time soon and see if it's going to work out for me. I could possibly use a bluetooth keyboard or the apple dock keyboard for any heavy typing. lew On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:32, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Lew > > Just personal opinion; but in your situation, if it were me, I'd go for the iPad because you can already do most of what you could do with the Air on your MBP, so you'd be maximising your investment in my humble opinion. > > The iPad is an incredible device. We have one of the original ones and, although I cruel and slaver, (not quite), when I see the iPad II in shops and when my brother brings his over, I really can't justify the upgrade cost. If Apple had a "trade-in" where you could part-exchange your original or older model for a new one, I'd jump at it. But paying the full price is just a bit too heavy a burden for what we'd get out of it that we can't on the iPad. > > Yes; the forward and rear-facing cameras would be nice. Then again I don't like photos or pictures of myself being taken anyway for reasons which I won't go into here. Cameras were even banned from our wedding. But other than the superior speed, I'm not sure it would bring us sufficient "Oomph" to be able to justify it. Actually Tracy was thinking about the iPhone 4S for Gordon as a Christmas present; but hue politely declined the offer because he says he's happy enough with the 3GS for the moment. > > he only uses the iPhone for making and receiving phone calls now and then, and sending a large number of text messages a month, as well as email and web browsing when away from home. The iPad is used a lot more for audio/video as well as mobile data services. But again we really couldn't justify the upgrade. > > Lynne > > On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:20, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: > > . What is the overall opinion on the ipad as a tool for productivity these days? should I consider one or go for a macbook air for my tech work? I use a macbook pro as my main workstation but am considering the iPad. the only concern I have is using the touch screen for typing. > > I use an iphone 3GS but don't text with it as I find it fiddly. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Nov 18 17:44:18 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:44:18 +0000 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: <6002F8D7-1C32-4242-9C22-C96E7BFB6144@gmail.com> References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> <81EFFE35-1806-45F3-92EE-31016E747509@googlemail.com> <97415D6F-4F3D-497F-A405-E946F985E73C@gmail.com> <6002F8D7-1C32-4242-9C22-C96E7BFB6144@gmail.com> Message-ID: <07B9E4E5-1331-4A8E-8C78-C915C92E00C0@mac-access.net> Hello Lew Since you're in the UK, if there is anything that we heer at Mac Access Dot Net can do to aid your project, please do let us know off list. We are a non-profit organisation dedicated to the aid of Mac and iOS users everywhere and we'd be more than happy to lend a hand. Lynne On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:29, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: ? glad to be amongst fellow mac guys and girls. round here in wales it's all windows this that and the other. BUY a MAC and get with the world From turningbytouch at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 17:45:20 2011 From: turningbytouch at gmail.com (Mr. L. Alexander) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:45:20 +0000 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: <213C956A666A44F0BFE0BA6C9DDB8F40@karen796b6a58c> References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net><1ECCC590835848A38D538C9A3BF95BFA@karen796b6a58c> <213C956A666A44F0BFE0BA6C9DDB8F40@karen796b6a58c> Message-ID: <93E67478-D62E-4FEA-9C2E-10C2EE6D0A81@gmail.com> get ready for a really daft question then. Bearing in mind I'm using IOS 5 on a 3GS, is there any way of speeding up the Os? Going into app switcher seems to show a good number of apps. if these are running, how do I quit them or are these as icons to run? lew On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:40, 1SmartDog at cox.net wrote: > Oh, no, not a dumb question at all. Here's a funny one for you. My husband is sighted and has been using an Iphone longer than I have -- several years with his first phone the 3G. Just this last September we were sitting at dinner and he was complaining that his phone was so slow. I asked how many apps he had open and he was dumbfounded. He did not know the app switcher existed. I sat there for no less than 30 minutes with his phone after turning on VO and closed all his open apps. There were literally hundreds! > > I learned the double click the same way you did...someone told me. > > Karen > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:05 AM > Subject: Re: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G > > > Hello Karen > > On 18 Nov 2011, at 16:46, 1SmartDog at cox.net wrote: > > ? Double click the home button. > > You know; I'm kicking myself as this is so darn obvious! Thank you for the heads-up,. Talk about asking dumb questions! I've been using iOS extensively so how I forgot that I will never understand. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Nov 18 17:45:20 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:45:20 +0000 Subject: VO access to Math symbols functions, fractions, etc? In-Reply-To: <30E62AD7-F1C0-4BB9-B33A-DDDED6B4E4C1@me.com> References: <30E62AD7-F1C0-4BB9-B33A-DDDED6B4E4C1@me.com> Message-ID: Hello Bryan, A very topical question as it happens. Just to give you some background, I and my research team here in Dublin have been looking at math Access. We've looked mainly at output, but oddly enough, for reasons I can't go into in depth, input is now becoming topical. Honestly the best way to type math is LaTeX. So on your mac you'd type: \frac{a+b}{c-d} and then run this through a program which converts this into readable properly- laid-out mathematics. Kevin Chao on twitter has been talking extensively about this but primarily using that other OS. Feel free to take this off-list if I can help. D?nal On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:40, Bryan Jones wrote: > Hello All, > > The last time I took a math class was in 1989 when I was sighted. Sometime in the next 18 months it seems I will be required to take a course called "College Algebra and Trigonometry." > > I haven't yet started researching how I'll access material such as fractions and all those other math-related things that I don't even remember the names of, but I'm wondering if anybody here has had the pleasure of trying to do this with VO. > > TIA, > Bryan > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From n0oxy at charter.net Fri Nov 18 17:47:42 2011 From: n0oxy at charter.net (Mike Arrigo) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:47:42 -0500 Subject: navigon Europe 2. Message-ID: 009dc6b6-45d6-4296-8df5-3c6cc4ef2adc@samobile.net My favorite GPS app on the iphone is motionx gps drive, with the exception of some unlabeled buttons, it's very useable. It's a shame Garmin's app does not provide spoken walking directions, because the app itself is very accessible. Original message: > I tried the update for a couple of hours yesterday and had the same > problems here with the Navigon North America version. My negative > findings mirror those of DOnal and Anne. There are several critical > elements in the UI that VO is denied access to, the whole system became > very sluggish at times repeatedly becoming non-responsive with an "in > progress" message, and getting out of navigation mode is messy. > On the positive side, the new method of selecting individual states and > provinces is accessible and it seems they've simplified the UI to > eliminate some of the confusing steps previously required to get to > certain bits of information. > I haven't been a heavy Navigon User for several months, so this update > doesn't effect me much but knowing that the app is very popular with > the VI VO community, I can imagine Navigon will be hearing from many of us. > -Bryan > On Nov 18, 2011, at 4:45 AM, Anne Robertson wrote >> Some people seem to like the new Navigon, but I find it to be a >> complete disaster! I can get it to start navigation, but stopping >> navigation is almost impossible for a VO user. Also, it crashes when >> trying to do anything after starting navigation. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access > forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Nov 18 17:48:00 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:48:00 +0000 Subject: VO access to Math symbols functions, fractions, etc? In-Reply-To: <30E62AD7-F1C0-4BB9-B33A-DDDED6B4E4C1@me.com> References: <30E62AD7-F1C0-4BB9-B33A-DDDED6B4E4C1@me.com> Message-ID: Bryan Try pressing keys with the option key pressed. Lynne On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:40, Bryan Jones wrote: Hello All, The last time I took a math class was in 1989 when I was sighted. Sometime in the next 18 months it seems I will be required to take a course called "College Algebra and Trigonometry." I haven't yet started researching how I'll access material such as fractions and all those other math-related things that I don't even remember the names of, but I'm wondering if anybody here has had the pleasure of trying to do this with VO. TIA, Bryan <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Nov 18 17:50:29 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:50:29 +0000 Subject: navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: 009dc6b6-45d6-4296-8df5-3c6cc4ef2adc@samobile.net References: 009dc6b6-45d6-4296-8df5-3c6cc4ef2adc@samobile.net Message-ID: Anyone tried Tomtom? On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:47, Mike Arrigo wrote: > My favorite GPS app on the iphone is motionx gps drive, with the exception of some unlabeled buttons, it's very useable. It's a shame Garmin's app does not provide spoken walking directions, because the app itself is very accessible. > Original message: >> I tried the update for a couple of hours yesterday and had the same problems here with the Navigon North America version. My negative findings mirror those of DOnal and Anne. There are several critical elements in the UI that VO is denied access to, the whole system became very sluggish at times repeatedly becoming non-responsive with an "in progress" message, and getting out of navigation mode is messy. > >> On the positive side, the new method of selecting individual states and provinces is accessible and it seems they've simplified the UI to eliminate some of the confusing steps previously required to get to certain bits of information. > >> I haven't been a heavy Navigon User for several months, so this update doesn't effect me much but knowing that the app is very popular with the VI VO community, I can imagine Navigon will be hearing from many of us. > >> -Bryan > >> On Nov 18, 2011, at 4:45 AM, Anne Robertson wrote >>> Some people seem to like the new Navigon, but I find it to be a complete disaster! I can get it to start navigation, but stopping navigation is almost impossible for a VO user. Also, it crashes when trying to do anything after starting navigation. > >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> > >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie Fri Nov 18 17:49:46 2011 From: dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie (=?iso-8859-1?Q?D=F3nal_Fitzpatrick?=) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 17:49:46 +0000 Subject: navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: 009dc6b6-45d6-4296-8df5-3c6cc4ef2adc@samobile.net References: 009dc6b6-45d6-4296-8df5-3c6cc4ef2adc@samobile.net Message-ID: Anyone tried Tomtom? On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:47, Mike Arrigo wrote: > My favorite GPS app on the iphone is motionx gps drive, with the exception of some unlabeled buttons, it's very useable. It's a shame Garmin's app does not provide spoken walking directions, because the app itself is very accessible. > Original message: >> I tried the update for a couple of hours yesterday and had the same problems here with the Navigon North America version. My negative findings mirror those of DOnal and Anne. There are several critical elements in the UI that VO is denied access to, the whole system became very sluggish at times repeatedly becoming non-responsive with an "in progress" message, and getting out of navigation mode is messy. > >> On the positive side, the new method of selecting individual states and provinces is accessible and it seems they've simplified the UI to eliminate some of the confusing steps previously required to get to certain bits of information. > >> I haven't been a heavy Navigon User for several months, so this update doesn't effect me much but knowing that the app is very popular with the VI VO community, I can imagine Navigon will be hearing from many of us. > >> -Bryan > >> On Nov 18, 2011, at 4:45 AM, Anne Robertson wrote >>> Some people seem to like the new Navigon, but I find it to be a complete disaster! I can get it to start navigation, but stopping navigation is almost impossible for a VO user. Also, it crashes when trying to do anything after starting navigation. > >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > >> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> > >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: >> > > -- > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > D?nal Fitzpatrick dfitzpat at computing.dcu.ie From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 17:53:26 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:53:26 -0500 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: <93E67478-D62E-4FEA-9C2E-10C2EE6D0A81@gmail.com> References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net><1ECCC590835848A38D538C9A3BF95BFA@karen796b6a58c> <213C956A666A44F0BFE0BA6C9DDB8F40@karen796b6a58c> <93E67478-D62E-4FEA-9C2E-10C2EE6D0A81@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000701cca61a$f9d66680$ed833380$@com> Yes, go to a home page first then do a double click of the home key and then flick to any app and then double tap and hold on the last tap and then you will hear a sound and vo say editing then flick to the ones you want to remove and just double click them keep this up till you remove the one you want or all of them and a simple clclick f the home key once or twice will take you out of the app switcher or just flick to the app switcher and double tap it. HTH Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:45 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G get ready for a really daft question then. Bearing in mind I'm using IOS 5 on a 3GS, is there any way of speeding up the Os? Going into app switcher seems to show a good number of apps. if these are running, how do I quit them or are these as icons to run? lew On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:40, 1SmartDog at cox.net wrote: > Oh, no, not a dumb question at all. Here's a funny one for you. My husband is sighted and has been using an Iphone longer than I have -- several years with his first phone the 3G. Just this last September we were sitting at dinner and he was complaining that his phone was so slow. I asked how many apps he had open and he was dumbfounded. He did not know the app switcher existed. I sat there for no less than 30 minutes with his phone after turning on VO and closed all his open apps. There were literally hundreds! > > I learned the double click the same way you did...someone told me. > > Karen > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:05 AM > Subject: Re: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G > > > Hello Karen > > On 18 Nov 2011, at 16:46, 1SmartDog at cox.net wrote: > > . Double click the home button. > > You know; I'm kicking myself as this is so darn obvious! Thank you for the heads-up,. Talk about asking dumb questions! I've been using iOS extensively so how I forgot that I will never understand. > > Lynne > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 17:56:36 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:56:36 -0500 Subject: Navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: <4ec69a49.aa5bb40a.275e.ffffe547SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <4ec69a49.aa5bb40a.275e.ffffe547SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <000801cca61b$6b1e56e0$415b04a0$@com> Have you written to them to see if they would do this. How much does it cost I might check it out! Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:48 PM To: mac-access at mac-access.net Subject: Re: navigon Europe 2. My favorite GPS app on the iphone is motionx gps drive, with the exception of some unlabeled buttons, it's very useable. It's a shame Garmin's app does not provide spoken walking directions, because the app itself is very accessible. Original message: > I tried the update for a couple of hours yesterday and had the same > problems here with the Navigon North America version. My negative > findings mirror those of DOnal and Anne. There are several critical > elements in the UI that VO is denied access to, the whole system became > very sluggish at times repeatedly becoming non-responsive with an "in > progress" message, and getting out of navigation mode is messy. > On the positive side, the new method of selecting individual states and > provinces is accessible and it seems they've simplified the UI to > eliminate some of the confusing steps previously required to get to > certain bits of information. > I haven't been a heavy Navigon User for several months, so this update > doesn't effect me much but knowing that the app is very popular with > the VI VO community, I can imagine Navigon will be hearing from many of us. > -Bryan > On Nov 18, 2011, at 4:45 AM, Anne Robertson wrote >> Some people seem to like the new Navigon, but I find it to be a >> complete disaster! I can get it to start navigation, but stopping >> navigation is almost impossible for a VO user. Also, it crashes when >> trying to do anything after starting navigation. > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access > forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, > virus and worm-free! > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by > visiting the list website at: > -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From bubbathegeek at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 17:58:22 2011 From: bubbathegeek at gmail.com (Bubba) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 12:58:22 -0500 Subject: Navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: References: <5CBF86CE-E0FA-4520-B69F-4B8C3945C3E2@computing.dcu.ie> <1D7EECA1-24FF-4443-884E-680CE766420F@anarchie.org.uk> <001301cca5f9$fa6785f0$ef3691d0$@com> <5C8837C6-921A-4F19-B479-1C62F011862D@me.com> <000101cca60f$f1a4ee60$d4eecb20$@com> Message-ID: <000901cca61b$a9fc8c10$fdf5a430$@com> Well, use it just have not did a route yet! Sign, Bubba bubbathegeek at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Bryan Jones Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:29 PM To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility Subject: Re: Navigon Europe 2. Yes, I'm looking forward to reading your experiences after you've actually used the app. On Nov 18, 2011, at 11:34 AM, Bubba wrote: > Did not say not having problems I have not did a route yet I have no problem > with unlabeled buttons so far I will do a route this evening when I go home <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: or at the public Mail Archive: . Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: From turningbytouch at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 18:04:27 2011 From: turningbytouch at gmail.com (Mr. L. Alexander) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:04:27 +0000 Subject: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G In-Reply-To: <000701cca61a$f9d66680$ed833380$@com> References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net><1ECCC590835848A38D538C9A3BF95BFA@karen796b6a58c> <213C956A666A44F0BFE0BA6C9DDB8F40@karen796b6a58c> <93E67478-D62E-4FEA-9C2E-10C2EE6D0A81@gmail.com> <000701cca61a$f9d66680$ed833380$@com> Message-ID: ah ha at last my blonde moment of blonde moments has finally disappeared into the etha. phew.... the tech world rejoices at last. Anything else I'm fine with. the laugh is I only use this iphone for calls and data handling. nothing else. so I've not matered everything. all I can say is I love my iphone. beats the days of NOKIA junk with that screen reader I can't rember (don't choose to remember) lol lew On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:53, Bubba wrote: > Yes, go to a home page first then do a double click of the home key and then > flick to any app and then double tap and hold on the last tap and then you > will hear a sound and vo say editing then flick to the ones you want to > remove and just double click them keep this up till you remove the one you > want or all of them and a simple clclick f the home key once or twice will > take you out of the app switcher or just flick to the app switcher and > double tap it. HTH > > > Sign, > Bubba > bubbathegeek at gmail.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net > [mailto:mac-access-bounces at mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mr. L. Alexander > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 12:45 PM > To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility > Subject: Re: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G > > get ready for a really daft question then. > > Bearing in mind I'm using IOS 5 on a 3GS, is there any way of speeding up > the Os? Going into app switcher seems to show a good number of apps. if > these are running, how do I quit them or are these as icons to run? > > lew > > On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:40, 1SmartDog at cox.net wrote: > >> Oh, no, not a dumb question at all. Here's a funny one for you. My husband > is sighted and has been using an Iphone longer than I have -- several years > with his first phone the 3G. Just this last September we were sitting at > dinner and he was complaining that his phone was so slow. I asked how many > apps he had open and he was dumbfounded. He did not know the app switcher > existed. I sat there for no less than 30 minutes with his phone after > turning on VO and closed all his open apps. There were literally hundreds! >> >> I learned the double click the same way you did...someone told me. >> >> Karen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith" > >> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" >> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:05 AM >> Subject: Re: App Switcher on iOS5 with iPad/iPhone 3GS/iPod Touch 3G >> >> >> Hello Karen >> >> On 18 Nov 2011, at 16:46, 1SmartDog at cox.net wrote: >> >> . Double click the home button. >> >> You know; I'm kicking myself as this is so darn obvious! Thank you for the > heads-up,. Talk about asking dumb questions! I've been using iOS extensively > so how I forgot that I will never understand. >> >> Lynne >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: >> >> <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> >> >> To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net >> >> You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum > at either the list's own dedicated web archive: >> >> or at the public Mail Archive: >> . >> Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: >> >> >> The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! >> >> Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: >> > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to > mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at > either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus > and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting > the list website at: > > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Nov 18 18:04:47 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:04:47 +0000 Subject: For Karen; VoiceOver & Its Use On iOS In-Reply-To: <213C956A666A44F0BFE0BA6C9DDB8F40@karen796b6a58c> References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net><1ECCC590835848A38D538C9A3BF95BFA@karen796b6a58c> <213C956A666A44F0BFE0BA6C9DDB8F40@karen796b6a58c> Message-ID: Hello Karen Well; you and I are in opposite circumstance; I'd really love to correspond with you off list about this type of thing because it interests me greatly. My husband is blind and I have full vision. I won't go into it all now, but it is usually I who make the stuff-ups and Gordon who corrects them. How he doesn't lose patience with me I will never know. But the way he and those of you like him whizz around the iPhone and other devices, not to mention the Mac, is something which has to be seen to be believed. We with vision are often ignorant as to the issues which affect the visually impaired. Since we married I have become passionate about those issues even if they don't affect Gordon. Mac OS was an eye-opener, pardon the expression, to me because until that point I was a typical stereotypical Windows "Point'N'Clicker" as many of those like me are. Anyway if you'd be interested/willing to discuss off list, please let me know and I'll get back to you. I always ask first, as I hate to intrude. Lynne On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:40, 1SmartDog at cox.net wrote: Oh, no, not a dumb question at all. From opensesame at me.com Fri Nov 18 18:10:54 2011 From: opensesame at me.com (Bryan Jones) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 13:10:54 -0500 Subject: navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: <009dc6b6-45d6-4296-8df5-3c6cc4ef2adc@samobile.net> References: <009dc6b6-45d6-4296-8df5-3c6cc4ef2adc@samobile.net> Message-ID: I agree Mike, MotionX is the one I usually turn to for long distance travel. Unfortunately for folks outside of the US, I think the app is US only. For anybody interested in trying MotionX Drive, it comes with a 30 day free voice guidance trial and they currently have a year of voice guidance on sale for US $9.99. -Bryan On Nov 18, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: > My favorite GPS app on the iphone is motionx gps drive, with the exception of some unlabeled buttons, it's very useable. It's a shame Garmin's app does not provide spoken walking directions, because the app itself is very accessible. From turningbytouch at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 18:11:36 2011 From: turningbytouch at gmail.com (Mr. L. Alexander) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:11:36 +0000 Subject: For Karen; VoiceOver & Its Use On iOS In-Reply-To: References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net><1ECCC590835848A38D538C9A3BF95BFA@karen796b6a58c> <213C956A666A44F0BFE0BA6C9DDB8F40@karen796b6a58c> Message-ID: <5BBA69B1-41C8-4D58-9A8D-D78725685308@gmail.com> hey lynne, sory to chime in. You amaze me and I'm grateful of that. In the form that there's hope for a young guy like me meeting a sighted lady who would take me as I am. oops.... off topic hehe. From my V.I. days, I still had that understanding that I could lose my sight but hey that's how it happens. technology changes all the time and we're pretty lucky on the mac front. OK we don't have to pay daft money for DAWS? sorry my humour on JAWS and it's strange sister PAWS?! lol lew On 18 Nov 2011, at 18:04, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Karen > > Well; you and I are in opposite circumstance; I'd really love to correspond with you off list about this type of thing because it interests me greatly. My husband is blind and I have full vision. I won't go into it all now, but it is usually I who make the stuff-ups and Gordon who corrects them. How he doesn't lose patience with me I will never know. But the way he and those of you like him whizz around the iPhone and other devices, not to mention the Mac, is something which has to be seen to be believed. > > We with vision are often ignorant as to the issues which affect the visually impaired. Since we married I have become passionate about those issues even if they don't affect Gordon. Mac OS was an eye-opener, pardon the expression, to me because until that point I was a typical stereotypical Windows "Point'N'Clicker" as many of those like me are. > > Anyway if you'd be interested/willing to discuss off list, please let me know and I'll get back to you. I always ask first, as I hate to intrude. > > Lynne > > On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:40, 1SmartDog at cox.net wrote: > > Oh, no, not a dumb question at all. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From lynne at mac-access.net Fri Nov 18 18:12:24 2011 From: lynne at mac-access.net (Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:12:24 +0000 Subject: Apple Hardware In-Reply-To: <4039C2A0-390D-4FF2-A012-B29CF55F5AAE@gmail.com> References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> <69FF4287-F01E-4C8F-9856-15CCDD69CA91@googlemail.com> <000f01cca613$b52768b0$1f763a10$@com> <9EF2E64C-3F6D-4891-B4AA-F3A532735C58@mac-access.net> <000001cca618$79adc900$6d095b00$@com> <4039C2A0-390D-4FF2-A012-B29CF55F5AAE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <826554C3-C016-4085-8699-9270B77486FC@mac-access.net> Hello Lew Please don't think I'm against the MacBook Air. Not at all, it's a very nice little machine. And yes, if you could boot from a thumb drive that would be a huge huge plus as you could have multiple drives with different configurations. I've often wondered actually whether we could do that with our MacBook and MacBookPro's as it would be extremely useful. Now, a question. I'm toying with the idea of getting an SSD for one of our machines. But what I want to know is whether the hard drive in a MacBook Pro (Mid 2009) is easy to remove and replace. Also, does anybody happen to know whether there is a size limit on the drive you can use? It's an attractive prospect for both of us actually as we've seen first hand the difference it can make when you upgrade RAM. This 13' machine I'm using, for instance, came with 2GB of RAM when we bought it. We upgraded it to 4GB and then, some time later, we upgraded it to 8GB. The jump between 2 and 4 didn't do a great deal to be honest. But the jump from 4 to 8GB made a huge huge huge difference. So much so, in fact, that we've upgraded our Quad Core Mac Minis which are all server-based machines, to 8GB and I'm toying with the idea of putting SSD's in them as well. It would be expensive; but I'd rather spend the money on that and put it down to business use than give it to the taxman! Lynne On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:41, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: the macbook air is a very attractive proposition, especially where OS booting would be handy where a thumb drive loaded with say OS X, Linux and windows on a technical only basis would be handy. The ipad does feel very decent and comfortable. Maybe it would be worth taking one on and putting it through it's paces. From turningbytouch at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 18:12:33 2011 From: turningbytouch at gmail.com (Mr. L. Alexander) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:12:33 +0000 Subject: navigon Europe 2. In-Reply-To: References: <009dc6b6-45d6-4296-8df5-3c6cc4ef2adc@samobile.net> Message-ID: can anyone advise me on GPS for the iphone here in the UK? looking for a tool to guide me to certain sites, etc. lew On 18 Nov 2011, at 18:10, Bryan Jones wrote: > I agree Mike, MotionX is the one I usually turn to for long distance travel. Unfortunately for folks outside of the US, I think the app is US only. For anybody interested in trying MotionX Drive, it comes with a 30 day free voice guidance trial and they currently have a year of voice guidance on sale for US $9.99. > -Bryan > > On Nov 18, 2011, at 12:47 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: >> My favorite GPS app on the iphone is motionx gps drive, with the exception of some unlabeled buttons, it's very useable. It's a shame Garmin's app does not provide spoken walking directions, because the app itself is very accessible. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From turningbytouch at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 18:16:39 2011 From: turningbytouch at gmail.com (Mr. L. Alexander) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:16:39 +0000 Subject: Apple Hardware In-Reply-To: <826554C3-C016-4085-8699-9270B77486FC@mac-access.net> References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> <69FF4287-F01E-4C8F-9856-15CCDD69CA91@googlemail.com> <000f01cca613$b52768b0$1f763a10$@com> <9EF2E64C-3F6D-4891-B4AA-F3A532735C58@mac-access.net> <000001cca618$79adc900$6d095b00$@com> <4039C2A0-390D-4FF2-A012-B29CF55F5AAE@gmail.com> <826554C3-C016-4085-8699-9270B77486FC@mac-access.net> Message-ID: I'd advise that only a certified mac engineer do this work. it's a complex task to remove all casing screws, then get to the hdd. not like windows machines where access doors are under the machine. It can however be done but if your notebook is under warrenty, take it to a warrenty approved apple service centre or retail store. SSD though faster is expensive. you're looking at more money for a 256gb as an example than a 750gb 7200rpm drive. If you want extra performance, consider a 7200rpm version of the 2.5in drive in a maximum 750gb capacity. I use this on my macbook pro. however, the heatsink on the smaller machines might not support it. let me look into the technotes and come back to you on that lol lew On 18 Nov 2011, at 18:12, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Lew > > Please don't think I'm against the MacBook Air. Not at all, it's a very nice little machine. And yes, if you could boot from a thumb drive that would be a huge huge plus as you could have multiple drives with different configurations. I've often wondered actually whether we could do that with our MacBook and MacBookPro's as it would be extremely useful. > > Now, a question. I'm toying with the idea of getting an SSD for one of our machines. But what I want to know is whether the hard drive in a MacBook Pro (Mid 2009) is easy to remove and replace. Also, does anybody happen to know whether there is a size limit on the drive you can use? It's an attractive prospect for both of us actually as we've seen first hand the difference it can make when you upgrade RAM. > > This 13' machine I'm using, for instance, came with 2GB of RAM when we bought it. We upgraded it to 4GB and then, some time later, we upgraded it to 8GB. The jump between 2 and 4 didn't do a great deal to be honest. But the jump from 4 to 8GB made a huge huge huge difference. So much so, in fact, that we've upgraded our Quad Core Mac Minis which are all server-based machines, to 8GB and I'm toying with the idea of putting SSD's in them as well. It would be expensive; but I'd rather spend the money on that and put it down to business use than give it to the taxman! > > Lynne > > On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:41, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: > > the macbook air is a very attractive proposition, especially where OS booting would be handy where a thumb drive loaded with say OS X, Linux and windows on a technical only basis would be handy. > > The ipad does feel very decent and comfortable. Maybe it would be worth taking one on and putting it through it's paces. > > <--- Mac Access At Mac Access Dot Net ---> > > To reply to this post, please address your message to mac-access at mac-access.net > > You can find an archive of all messages posted to the Mac-Access forum at either the list's own dedicated web archive: > > or at the public Mail Archive: > . > Subscribe to the list's RSS feed from: > > > The Mac-Access mailing list is guaranteed malware, spyware, Trojan, virus and worm-free! > > Please remember to update your membership options periodically by visiting the list website at: > From turningbytouch at gmail.com Fri Nov 18 18:17:56 2011 From: turningbytouch at gmail.com (Mr. L. Alexander) Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 18:17:56 +0000 Subject: Apple Hardware In-Reply-To: <826554C3-C016-4085-8699-9270B77486FC@mac-access.net> References: <6C938F07-11CF-42AC-90DF-788A2EFA342B@mac-access.net> <69FF4287-F01E-4C8F-9856-15CCDD69CA91@googlemail.com> <000f01cca613$b52768b0$1f763a10$@com> <9EF2E64C-3F6D-4891-B4AA-F3A532735C58@mac-access.net> <000001cca618$79adc900$6d095b00$@com> <4039C2A0-390D-4FF2-A012-B29CF55F5AAE@gmail.com> <826554C3-C016-4085-8699-9270B77486FC@mac-access.net> Message-ID: you could always go the whole hog and go mac pro as a server and 7200rpm sas drives. my personal favourite is the former X serve lew On 18 Nov 2011, at 18:12, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith wrote: > Hello Lew > > Please don't think I'm against the MacBook Air. Not at all, it's a very nice little machine. And yes, if you could boot from a thumb drive that would be a huge huge plus as you could have multiple drives with different configurations. I've often wondered actually whether we could do that with our MacBook and MacBookPro's as it would be extremely useful. > > Now, a question. I'm toying with the idea of getting an SSD for one of our machines. But what I want to know is whether the hard drive in a MacBook Pro (Mid 2009) is easy to remove and replace. Also, does anybody happen to know whether there is a size limit on the drive you can use? It's an attractive prospect for both of us actually as we've seen first hand the difference it can make when you upgrade RAM. > > This 13' machine I'm using, for instance, came with 2GB of RAM when we bought it. We upgraded it to 4GB and then, some time later, we upgraded it to 8GB. The jump between 2 and 4 didn't do a great deal to be honest. But the jump from 4 to 8GB made a huge huge huge difference. So much so, in fact, that we've upgraded our Quad Core Mac Minis which are all server-based machines, to 8GB and I'm toying with the idea of putting SSD's in them as well. It would be expensive; but I'd rather spend the money on that and put it down to business use than give it to the taxman! > > Lynne > > On 18 Nov 2011, at 17:41, Mr. L. Alexander wrote: > >